Connecting... Connected! Sending login information... You see here: shaysmail, catlady_de_venezia, michelleapostolides € shaysmail says, hi rity € shaysmail says, a catlady_de_venezia says, Meow € shaysmail says, are you watching the news? catlady_de_venezia says, no, I just woke up, what has happened? € shaysmail says, turn it on € shaysmail says, we are bombing the taliban € shaysmail says, tony blair is on now € shaysmail says, wow € michelleapostolides says, Whoa € michelleapostolides says, Just finished watching Tony Blair. f ****F catlady_de_venezia is away (Auto-Away) € shaysmail says, this is unbelievable € michelleapostolides says, In what sense > € michelleapostolides says, ? € shaysmail says, the response by the taliban € michelleapostolides says, What lies are they spreading now ? € shaysmail says, that we are terrorists. they were willing to work with us but we just started bombing innocent people anyway catlady_de_venezia says, Are we bombing Kabul or Kandahar? Two news stories I read disn't agree catlady_de_venezia is back. € shaysmail says, we bombed several areas € michelleapostolides says, Both. € michelleapostolides says, I think they're doing jalalabad too. catlady_de_venezia says, ....after the Taliban bosses have had days to dig into their caves or bunkers and leave the civilians behind.... € michelleapostolides says, I really believe that those monsters could work with us € michelleapostolides says, Not ! € shaysmail says, actually, they were just saying on abc news that some of the targets were camps were we had intelligence that the taliban had relocated € michelleapostolides says, The taliban are cowards. € michelleapostolides says, Worse than terrorists. € michelleapostolides says, I am in no way condoning terrorists by that statement. It's just that they are hypocrites € shaysmail says, they just seem dumb € shaysmail says, absolutely no forethought into any situation € michelleapostolides says, I need to go get my Chinese € shaysmail says, a transcript of bush's speech is at http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/strike_bushtrans011007.html € shaysmail says, ok. enjoy € michelleapostolides says, Am reading transcript first. € shaysmail says, a person from the taliban is making a statement now € shaysmail says, it is on abc € michelleapostolides says, How can he speak ? € shaysmail says, don't know michelleapostolides is away (Gone to get food.) € shaysmail says, why don't they just take him out while he is making his statement? catlady_de_venezia is away (Auto-Away) € shaysmail says, rita, are you there? catlady_de_venezia says, Hi, asummary just said that the taliban spokesman yo mentioned was the taliban ambassador to Pakistan speaking from Islamabad, which explains why we can't bomb him catlady_de_venezia is back. € shaysmail says, they just said on abc that it was taped earlier € shaysmail says, in anticipation of the attacks catlady_de_venezia is away (Auto-Away) catlady_de_venezia says, it says I'm away catlady_de_venezia is back. € shaysmail says, i turned off the auto-away € shaysmail says, did you see bin laden's speech? dai_evans enters € shaysmail says, hello catlady_de_venezia says, I heard it ... I turned on audio on this PC dai_evans says, Hi there € shaysmail says, he reallly is crazy catlady_de_venezia says, Hi, Dai, can I guess that you awoke earlier than I did, maybe early enough to be awake when the bombing started? € shaysmail says, the pakastani ambassador to the un is on now giving an official statement simon_fictionalley enters € shaysmail says, hi simon catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Simon, dai_evans says, I didn't find out about the bombing until 5 minutes ago, when I came online simon_fictionalley says, hello catlady_de_venezia says, whatever audio KCRW is carrying is telling all the kinds of aricraft USA is using € shaysmail says, poor rita didn't even have a chance to talk, i just told her to turn on the news € shaysmail says, the transcript of bush's speech is at http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/strike_bushtrans011007.html catlady_de_venezia says, they now have a reporter summarizing the 2 minute speech of the taliban ambassador in pakistan. he apparently said the same as Bin Laden catlady_de_venezia says, and refused to answer reporters' questions € shaysmail says, what i heard interpreted sounded pretty much the same € shaysmail says, they are saying that it had to be taped a few days ago because he said some old info that has recently changed catlady_de_venezia says, Bin Ladin was taped, the tape was played on Al-Jazeera catlady_de_venezia says, the ambassador was live, the reporter was there at his 'press conference' € shaysmail says, they were sitting together on the video that i saw € shaysmail says, a correspondent on abc is saying that 3 taliban camps were destroyed € shaysmail says, donald rumsfeld is on now michelleapostolides is back. € michelleapostolides says, Back. Hi Dai and Simon. € shaysmail says, how's the food? € michelleapostolides says, It's good simon_fictionalley says, had dinner thanks -was nice € michelleapostolides says, Thanks for asking. € shaysmail says, michelle, you missed bin laden's speech € michelleapostolides says, Is there a transcript ? dai_evans says, bin Laden made a speech? € shaysmail says, haven't seen the transcript yet € shaysmail says, it was on abc news, so i would guess it will be on their site soon catlady_de_venezia says, binLaden 's pre-recorded video was played on al-Jazeera. He said he is wonderful and USA is evil. € shaysmail says, he said that no one in the us or any of it's allies should feel safe € michelleapostolides says, Excuse me but he is beyond being a bastard. € shaysmail says, he also tried to suck in all muslims by saying that they agree with him € shaysmail says, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is on now € michelleapostolides says, I'd go and shoot him myself. € shaysmail says, we deployed about 50 tomahawk missles simon_fictionalley leaves € michelleapostolides says, Bin Laden. # catlady_de_venezia says, Yes, but he has allies to carry on his war/crimes heiditandy enters heiditandy leaves € shaysmail says, at least it would be a start € michelleapostolides says, So I'll shoot em all. € shaysmail says, i just don't want to look at him anymore € michelleapostolides says, So what time is it for you guys ? catlady_de_venezia says, it 11:53 am for me € shaysmail says, 3 pm € shaysmail says, rumsfeld said that we are trying to deliver 37,500 rations to the afghanis Saitaina enters catlady_de_venezia says, supposedly there was a 2.9 earthquake at 10.29 that was felt through the area. If it was felt here, maybe it is what woke me up. But I have trouble believing that 29 was felt by anyone but sesmometers catlady_de_venezia tosses a I up there to seIsmometer catlady_de_venezia says, hi Saitaina Saitaina says, Hullo loves € shaysmail says, hello catlady_de_venezia says, Hooray, Saitain, i SEE your butterfly!!! Saitaina says, hehe € michelleapostolides says, Hello Saitana. catlady_de_venezia says, The Afghan people NEED to be fed: the starving refugees who make it to the borders, only to be pushed back by Pakistani and Irani military protecting their overburdened countries, are the Saitaina says, Well, I finally decided on my Halloween costume...I'm gonna be a hooker. catlady_de_venezia says, BEST fed and MOST prosperous, the hungrier and poorer ones can't make ti to the border catlady_de_venezia says, But I HOPE we are managing to avoid bombing them! catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, tell about your hooker costume (and how it can be distinguished from ordinary clothes -- I almost said 'street clothing heiditandy enters catlady_de_venezia says, Heidi! € heiditandy says, hi - is this the real room, today? dai_evans says, could be catlady_de_venezia says, I believe this is the real room, haven't checked elsewhere € michelleapostolides says, Yes Saitaina says, It's a purple nighty that hits me in the upper thigh region that makes it just barley legal (hell it's halloween, I can go out in it ) with black nylons and a bright purple wig. Concidering I normally go out in shortss/pants it's diffrent then street clothes € michelleapostolides says, I think someone would have said by now if it were different. Saitaina says, Hullo heidi € michelleapostolides says, Ph yes, Hello Heidi € michelleapostolides says, Am full up now. catlady_de_venezia says, g'rrr I went to yahoogroups room to check € heiditandy says, and, rita? catlady_de_venezia says, good news is there seemed to be no one there € michelleapostolides says, So where else could they be ? € michelleapostolides says, Watching the tv news ? Saitaina says, Asleep like normal people. catlady_de_venezia says, bad news is it fubarred my RealAudio in a way that requires me to restart the damn PC to fix it € heiditandy says, bleh - poor rita Saitaina says, ick € michelleapostolides says, Poor you. € heiditandy says, and I have to go install stuff....brb heiditandy leaves catlady_de_los_angeles enters Saitaina says, oookay, that was odd. catlady_de_los_angeles leaves catlady_de_venezia says, Hi, what was odd? € michelleapostolides says, We live in odd times. Saitaina says, You entered, THEN you left...and now you've typed without entering again € shaysmail says, the fact that my last message was that you left € shaysmail says, but you are still listed as being here pengolodh_sc enters € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings Saitaina says, Cheeta doesn't know weither your coming or going...hello love € michelleapostolides says, You're back. € shaysmail says, hello € pengolodh_sc says, Here were not that many people catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Christian dai_evans says, Hi Christian catlady_de_venezia says, my multiple personalities: catlady_de_los_angeles, catlady_de_venezia, catlady_the_lost.... € shaysmail says, here's something else funny. i have the little wizard up that reads chat to me and it just said that dai said hello instead of hi Saitaina says, ah..now I gets it. € pengolodh_sc says, The small wizard is called Merlin. Saitaina says, hehe. catlady_de_venezia says, I created the extra two Yahoo IDs so that I could go into multiple chat rooms and tell the people there to come here € pengolodh_sc says, little*, not small Saitaina says, My Merlin won't read outloud..he talks but nothing comes out. catlady_de_venezia says, each one needs a separate window and as best I can tell only one of me can bein YahooChat at a time, the rest have to be in Cheetah Chat € michelleapostolides says, I don't have it on. € pengolodh_sc says, Do you have speakers connected and on, and is the sound put on? € michelleapostolides says, How was the meeting ? Saitaina says, grr, I gotta fix his voice. catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, how ar eyour PC's speakers? stacey_aka_phatgirl enters € michelleapostolides says, I prefer music to talk. € pengolodh_sc says, The meetings was good - very funny. Saitaina says, Yes everything's working my email keeps making noise (no not while he's supposed to be talking.) catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Stacey € michelleapostolides says, Stacey ! stacey_aka_phatgirl says, hi. € pengolodh_sc says, We started with the playing of the Soviet National Anthem, and then the Secretary General called the meeting adjourned. € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Stacey Saitaina says, Hullo Stacey € pengolodh_sc says, There's a chance Al might be in later, after 11 GMT dai_evans says, grrrrr. The only news I can get is inwelsh € michelleapostolides says, Oh goody. catlady_de_venezia says, Christian, what meeting, what did I miss you tellig about? € michelleapostolides says, Dai can you understand it ? dai_evans says, no catlady_de_venezia says, Dai, get news on PIC catorman enters catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Catherine dai_evans says, PIC? € catorman says, Hello!!!!!!!!!! € michelleapostolides says, Hello Catherine. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I only just woke up and realised what was going on. catlady_de_venezia says, Dai, open another broswer window and dai_evans says, Hi Catherine € pengolodh_sc says, He has an internet connection, but it's the same account his parents are using, and if they log on as well, both are booted off, so he waits until they go to bed. € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Catherine catlady_de_venezia says, go to www.kcrw.org and click on simulcast if you don't have another choice € michelleapostolides says, Catherine, I need to ask you a favour to do with the movie. dai_evans says, I've only got a 56k connection € catorman says, What? € catorman says, D'you need to PM me? € pengolodh_sc says, Rita, the meeting I went to is to organise a gaming-convention. Each year we have a theme, and this eyar's theme is the boardgame Kremlin.s one I we € michelleapostolides says, If I can get over there on the Friday afternoon, can I meet up at your place so that i don't have to travel there and back on my own ? € catorman says, Of course you can. No problem. Easier for you to park here as well. € michelleapostolides says, Thanks ! catlady_de_venezia says, I can't find anything in Yahoo Help abaout how to join the Yahoo IDs to each other. I stumbled by trial and error into linnking up de_los_angeles and de_venezia so that I can chat in eitehr of them on YM dai_evans says, Ah! News in English at last € catorman says, After the Sunday Times today, I can't wait. catlady_de_venezia says, but can't remember or recreate how I did it in order to link catlady_the_lost dai_evans says, The interview with Robbie Coltrane was very good, but the rest of it was nothing new stacey_aka_phatgirl says, try www.npr.com for streaming news € catorman says, I know, but some of the photographs were. catlady_de_venezia says, HP Movie: some kind person uploaded the map from the Times € michelleapostolides says, I haven't had a good look at it yet, but I do have the supplement. dai_evans says, yeah, a couple € pengolodh_sc says, Uploaded it where? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, maps? € catorman says, I loved the one of Harry asleep in his bed. Saitaina says, I no longer care about HP movie pics or news...I JUST WANT THE MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!! € catorman says, It's not really a map though € michelleapostolides says, Christian posed an interesting question ealier. Why is he wearing his glasses in bed ? catlady_de_venezia says, there's a link in HPfGU msgs let me try to look stacey_aka_phatgirl says, aargghh! we get the Sunday times here, in about four days, but they're usually missing the special supplements! € catorman says, I mean, in the cupboard under the stairs . good point! € catorman says, This is the Magazine - do you not get that? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, does it come in the paper? € pengolodh_sc says, So when you say map, you mean the painting with the overview of Hogwarts? € catorman says, Well, it's just a glossy, tabloid sized magazine - not a special supplement. € pengolodh_sc says, The Magazine - that is a glossy-paper supplement to the Sunday Times, isn't it? catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.btinternet.com/~daviddupont/Hogwarts1.jpg stacey_aka_phatgirl says, you mean like Style or Entertainment? € catorman says, Yes, Christian. € catorman says, Yes - but this one is called The Sunday Times Magazine - glossier than Style. € catorman says, But same size. Does life in the day, Relative Values etc. Saitaina says, I have a question that just occured me me after reading the latest post on the group...we know there's going to be a female DADA prof and we know of at least one barley seen female witch that is coming back to the series so my question is-How many think Mrs. Figg will be the fem DADA prof? catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.btinternet.com/~daviddupont/ € catorman says, I think that Mrs Figg is much younger than she seems, and that she is, in fact, Lily Potter's best friend - and that she could well be DADA teacher. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, hmmm. interesting layout. not at all as I had imagined. catlady_de_venezia says, I don't have any expectations except 1) JKR will surprise me, and 2) Arabella Figg will turn out to be a true Gryffindor and not at all like me € catorman says, Nor me. I think the Whomping Willow doesn't look as though it is in the right place. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, eeww! Draco's hair. Saitaina says, I mean she has experiance, she's been helping protect Harry for around 15 years now, she's female, she's one of the old gang...I think she's fit perfectly as the new DADA prof especially since Dumbledore would now want all those he could close to him in order to plan for battle and having her as a prof would keep her close by when needed. potterlovingash enters € catorman says, I know! Orange in places! € pengolodh_sc says, I don't like the map too much, and the castle seems entirely too german to my eyes. Saitaina says, Hey! No dissing the hair, my hair's now that colour catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Ashley € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Ashley potterlovingash says, Hi Everyone € catorman says, Hi Ash. € michelleapostolides says, Hello Ashley Saitaina says, Hullo love € shaysmail says, hello catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, Draco's hair is supposed to be silverblond (GoF), not strawberry blond -- he isn't a Weasley € catorman says, Exactly - it looks OK at the roots, but anything longer just looks wrong. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, that's not even strawberry blonde. that's teh colour my bf's hair comes out when I put my leftover dye on his head. € pengolodh_sc says, That may be the lighting, rita stacey_aka_phatgirl says, could be the styling products, too. Saitaina says, Yes but Felton's a brunette (granted a light one) and you have to go from brown-to red-to orange-to gold-to pale yellow-to white to get anything done so lay off the poor boy. You can't achive silver blonde though dying you achive gold. potterlovingash says, Did everyone read the different articles in the Sunday Times Magazine today? € catorman says, I'm just waiting to see what Simon has to say about the comments made by Hedwig's onset trainer - he says that Snowy Owls are dim! potterlovingash says, Yeah! € catorman says, that was just too much information for me! Saitaina says, I still have left over red in my hair making me look like a really big flame. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, you don't have snowy owls in Britain, do you? € michelleapostolides says, Dr B was in earlier. i hope he's coming back. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, ooh! orange. nice! € catorman says, I'm not sure - we have tawny, barn, eagle, little - can't think of any others, so probably not snowy € pengolodh_sc says, Bit difficult to read, Michelle. catlady_de_venezia says, IIRC the snowy owl map on OWL PAGES showed they could go as south as northern scotland in a VERY cold winter € michelleapostolides says, That better ? Saitaina says, Much € catorman says, I used to have a taxidermied Barn Owl. catlady_de_venezia says, owl pages siad Barn Owl is the most common owl in Europe stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I think the Barn owl is the most common everywhere. they're a dime a dozen here. € catorman says, It's a very beautiful animal - I thought that tawny owls were more common here. selah_1977 enters sineadsiobhan enters € catorman says, Ebony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! selah_1977 says, Hello... catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Ebony potterlovingash says, Hi Ebony selah_1977 says, How is everyone? Saitaina says, Ebony!!! € catorman says, And Siobhan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I was trying to figure out what kind of owl Pigwidgeon was. Of course, there's probably an exhaustive thread somewhere on HPfGU about it. € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Ebony, Sinead sineadsiobhan says, Hi! selah_1977 says, Hey, Sinead! € catorman says, Sinead, I mean. potterlovingash says, Hi Sinead stacey_aka_phatgirl says, hi girls Saitaina says, Greating's loves € michelleapostolides says, Hello Ebony and Sinead ! selah_1977 says, What are we talking about? sineadsiobhan schnoogles the room € catorman says, I'm not sure - a "little" owl, but probably not a little owl. € michelleapostolides says, Hedwig € catorman says, Owls. catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Ebony catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Sinead catlady_de_venezia says, My best guess is that Pigwidgeon is an Elf Owl\ selah_1977 says, Oh, good. selah_1977 says, But unfortunately, I'm glued to the TV... brb... € pengolodh_sc says, . € michelleapostolides says, Are you getting wall to wall coverage in the US ? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I was thinking pygmy owls, but I don't know if they're resident in britain Saitaina says, wall to wall coverage of..what? sineadsiobhan says, pretty much so, Michelle dai_evans says, there's bugger all coverage on TV here € michelleapostolides says, Yeah. Saitaina says, *looks around lost* Has something else happened now? € catorman says, We had News 24 on for a while, but even there - I'm not really sure what's going on. dai_evans says, I miss cable € michelleapostolides says, Saitana you don't know ? sineadsiobhan says, yes, Sait... the US has bombed Afghanistan stacey_aka_phatgirl says, saitaina, you're on the west coast, aren't you? catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina: USand UK are bombng Kabul, Kandahar,and Jallallabad potterlovingash says, In the Natural History Museum here in NYC they have a full case of all the types of owls. The case of stuffed owls makes me sad but it's interesting to choose my owl preference from life Saitaina says, Yes I'm on the west coast, and I didn't know anything till you all opened your mouth...telly's broken in the living room and mum's being a bitch withthe tv in her bedroom....why the hell did we do something so idiotic? catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.owlpages.com/species/nyctea/scandiaca/Default.htm dai_evans says, Idiotic? € catorman says, I do not see the point in bombing Afghanistan. I feel so sorry for all those people there who have been suffering under the Taliban and who now have to face this. € pengolodh_sc says, It is not that surprising that USA is bombing airfields and airports. Saitaina says, I see no point in destorying innocents for one man sineadsiobhan says, It's not idiotic... it's the only way we can stop the terrorists catlady_de_venezia says, the above is the snowy owl. it shows, in cold winters, they range all through Britain dai_evans says, because bin Laden is a danger to everyone here while he is allowed to roam free? € shaysmail says, we are not bombing innocent people. we are taking out the taliban sineadsiobhan says, one man? no, there's more than one man stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I was complaining earlier to someone that when you live on the west coast and sleep in sunday mornings, you miss SO MUCH NEWS. dai_evans says, bin Laden has to be stopped immediately catlady_de_venezia says, Catherine, I agree, except we seem to be making an effort to avoid hitting cvilians Saitaina says, *waves her peace flag left over from her dad's hippy days* potterlovingash says, {sigh} My heart aches just talking about the whole Afghan mess Saitaina says, I don't sleep in I've been up since 3 am pacific time..just no telly € catorman says, Fine - but mistakes are always made which will be deemed "unfortunate" at some point, I'm sure. € pengolodh_sc says, The things is that Taliban, and the groups of Bin Laden for that amtter, are not treating the Afghani well. dai_evans says, mistakes will probably be made yes € michelleapostolides says, I know. I don't want conflict, but we need to do something to get rid of theses people. sineadsiobhan says, I know one way to get the Taliban men cowering in fear... put their women in college! dai_evans says, but bin Laden has to be stopped before he kills more catlady_de_venezia says, Supposedly we are also dropping food for the civilians € catorman says, Most of the Taliban are ignorant, illiterate thugs who have been holding Afghanistan to ransome. € shaysmail says, sinead, that is an excellent idea Saitaina says, We were SUPPOSED to use land troops not bombs that hit more innocents then evil. € pengolodh_sc says, Putting the women in college requires mocing them out of Afghanistan. catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, land troops in Afghanistan is a lose, look at Soviet Empire, russian empire, British empire sineadsiobhan says, why do they make the women cover themselves from head to toe? € shaysmail says, saitaina, we bombed the taliban training camps dai_evans says, the aerial (sp?) bombardment is in advance of landing troops catorman leaves catorman enters dai_evans says, you can't just chuck the guys straight in without taking care of the defenses first € catorman says, I agree that Bin Laden must be stopped - but it seems to me that he is really in control of the country, not the Taliban, certainly not the Afghans. € pengolodh_sc says, The bombs are probably used at specific targets - there are airstrips and training-camps that serve as strongholds and evacuation-points for Bin Laden. catlady_de_venezia says, Sinead: in their strange religion, it is a sin to do anything tht might arouse lust in a man, at first they banned soccer € michelleapostolides tapes Catherine down sineadsiobhan says, oh geez € pengolodh_sc says, Bin Laden is not in control of the country as much as he holds a significant influence with the Taliban. catlady_de_venezia says, on the grounds that men watchingn athletes might be tempted to homosexual attaction dai_evans says, they have no TV over there, apparently Saitaina says, Yes and that is why we were going to use special opps who train for this along with the current gurrilla army located in Afganistan. I'm sorry but there is NO call for bombs. And nothing you can say can change that! It's wrong and barbaric to use something that kills more people that shouldn't die then a simple gun that kills the correct man dai_evans says, so chances are, that bin Laden has never even seen the footage of the WTC € catorman says, Yeah - then in Iraq, Saddam Hussein started torturing the national soccer side to make them perform better. catlady_de_venezia says, they diesstroyed all TVs they found, at first hanging them from flag poles onthe grounds for being idols selah_1977 says, back... selah_1977 says, ACK! € catorman says, Whoops, I mean his son did, not Saddam Hussein. € pengolodh_sc says, Saitana - you are assuming that the attackers are carpet-bombing Afghani cities, and i severely doubt that. € michelleapostolides says, It would be counter productive € catorman says, I think perhaps we should change the subject - we're all going to fall out. sineadsiobhan says, true... it's kind of political catlady_de_venezia says, Christian, they took out Kabul airport, and I agree that there were probably some innocent people near it selah_1977 says, Yeah, really Catherine. Saitaina says, I don't care if they're targeting a bloody mountain top who's only living thing is a bloody goat I don't like them, will never like them and would happily support grounding bombers. € michelleapostolides says, Catheine, you could get a job at the UN ! selah_1977 says, When I left we were talking about owls. selah_1977 says, But then again... catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.owlpages.com/species/nyctea/scandiaca/Default.htm € pengolodh_sc says, Does the Taliban allow regular people to travel by air? Saitaina says, How are we going to fall out? I can still like a person but hate their choices...not that hard. selah_1977 says, During the World Wars I am sure people's conversations inevitably came back to the war. € catorman says, I wish. I know from past experience that this kind of conversation can get too heated. We're here to have fun! € shaysmail says, i don't think there is a problem discussing it as long as people can agree to disagree mrs_lupin enters catlady_de_venezia says, above is snowy owl, the map shows that in cold winters they range all the way down through Britain selah_1977 says, And if it escalates... it is GOING to be discussed, no matter what the Mods may say. mrs_lupin says, Hi everyone Saitaina says, I agree to disagree...I also agree to hate bombers despite people supporting them. selah_1977 says, Hey, is that Amy? catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.owlpages.com/european_owls.html mrs_lupin says, Nope Kristin, Hio Eb selah_1977 says, Hey, Kristin then! Loved your OT Chatter post. selah_1977 says, V. interesting IMO. € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Kristin dai_evans says, there would be many more casualties amongst the ground troops sent in if bombers were not sent in first catlady_de_venezia says, HiHi Kristin mrs_lupin says, Thanks mrs_lupin says, Hi Rita catlady_de_venezia Your Magical Moderator Team would like to remind everyone of the vast diversity of membership that we have on HPforGrownups. We are a large (over 2000 members & counting), international, multi-ethnic group. Our members possess the complete range of views on religion, politics, sexuality and other important lifestyle & cultural issues. When you are posting on any of the HPfGU family of lists or participating in our chats, please be respectful of this diversity of opinion. selah_1977 says, Dai--there are going to be tragic losses anyway. catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.owlpages.com/european_owls.html dai_evans says, yes selah_1977 says, Do you know how many land mines there are in that area of the world? € shaysmail says, there already have been tragic losses dai_evans says, but there will be less losses on our side if we bomb first stacey_aka_phatgirl says, (loves barn owls) Saitaina says, Not really. These are men trained for this work. I'm not talking about normal army men who haven't seen things like this I'm talking about the Rangers, and Seals...and whatever the airforce has up their sleeve. These men have done this HUNDREDS of times and trained for this though out they're military carreer selah_1977 says, Right, right. € michelleapostolides says, I think that we are going to be fed lots of things over our news over the bext while. We need to be abloe to talk to oneanther sensibly. catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.owlpages.com/species/glaucidium/passerinum/Default.htm selah_1977 says, You're right, Michelle. dai_evans says, they still need air supoort prior to going in against enemy defenses dai_evans says, I agree Michelle catlady_de_venezia says, the avove is Eurasiona Pygmy Owl € pengolodh_sc says, Yes, but still - they are very valuable, and the military commanders in chief feel it their duty to ensure they loose as few of them as possible. Saitaina says, Still think that bombers should be grounded. And mum changed my damn channel! brb catlady_de_venezia says, its six inches tall and the map shows it in Scandinavia but not Britiain stacey_aka_phatgirl says, Glaucidium passerinum is 6-6.7". Perfect Pigwidgeon size. selah_1977 says, You know what the weirdest thing about bin Laden is? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, dang! scandinavia only? grrr sineadsiobhan says, what? mrs_lupin says, What? selah_1977 says, I have seen him before. selah_1977 says, I swear I have... dai_evans says, Sait, without bombers, more American and Bristish troops would die. It's as simple as that potterlovingash is away (Auto-Away) selah_1977 says, The question is, how? potterlovingash is back. potterlovingash says, Eek, no auto-away, Bad catlady_de_venezia says, the Little Owl has a map showing it in England but not Scotland but does not have text telling its sixe Saitaina says, I just hurt my finger thowing the remote...ow that hurt. selah_1977 says, It's weird. And I can't associate him with Hitler or other evil people. mrs_lupin leaves alyeskakc enters € michelleapostolides says, Saitana...rub it better. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I believe it says somewhere that Pigwideon is greyish. That may point to Eurasian Pygmy Owls more than enything. selah_1977 says, brb--Thai in the microwave is calling me... alyeskakc says, You've seen him here in the States or when you were in England? catlady_de_venezia says, this is Elf Owl: http://www.owlpages.com/species/micrathene/whitneyi/Default.htm € catorman says, We still on owls? € catorman says, Did you establish who Mrs Lupin was? Saitaina says, They're going to die anyway! In war you cannot stop that, ever. One reason I don't belive in war, but these men KNOW that they're going to die and they still are prepared to go in there. We're not going to hit the training camps or Osma from the air it has to be from the ground! Saitaina says, And I'm not yelling, I'm mad at my mom and it came out that way, sorry. catlady_de_venezia says, its the smallest owl and found in Kristin's part of the world down throu Cental America alyeskakc says, It was me Catherine. catlady_de_venezia : !Okay! catlady_de_venezia : Who is First! catlady_de_venezia : ()---]]]]]]]—— ( ×I ) catlady_de_venezia : Shot In The Butt! catlady_de_venezia The TXT list of chatter aliases is to be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20Chatter%27s%20List catlady_de_venezia The HTML list of chatter aliases is to be found at: catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20chatterlist.html dai_evans says, no, they need not die, if the Taliban defenses are taken out first dai_evans says, bomber reduce our losses dai_evans says, *bombers alyeskakc says, The Pygmy Owl is in New Mexico? sineadsiobhan says, The Taliban has no real military defense, just it's rouges catlady_de_venezia says, Dai, some WILL die, some of the Taliban soldiers are fanatics and will use hands and teeth if we take their knives and guns € pengolodh_sc says, Saitana - the training-camps can be hit from air. USA knows very well where they are. Taking out these camps means that fewer of the American and British forces will die. dai_evans says, yes, SOME will die potterlovingash says, I've never seen a Pigmy in New Mexico € pengolodh_sc says, The training-camps are located outside of areas where people live. dai_evans says, but less will die if we use bombers selah_1977 says, back € catorman says, Kristin, that is naughty! I hate being confused in here! selah_1977 says, Why can't we learn from our mistakes? dai_evans says, Less dying, is better than more dying, in my very humble opinion stacey_aka_phatgirl says, for some reason World Owl trust lists only 5 owls resident in Britain: http://www.owls.org/Information/british_owls.htm Saitaina says, Then why didn't we take them out before now? Acording to everyone on the telly they have no bloody idea where these camps are...course they've been lying though their teeth about everything else so I don't belive them on that very much. But still, I don't belive in bombers, bombs, the little piolets flying them or non of that dai_evans says, Eb, I thouhgt we had learned from our mistakes sineadsiobhan says, and then good thing we have the Northern Alliance on our side... they know where the camps are and what to do dai_evans says, I think it's the muslim extremists who havn't selah_1977 says, Hmm. alyeskakc says, Has anyone seen Premiere Magazine? € michelleapostolides says, What about it ? potterlovingash says, no, what's in it € pengolodh_sc says, They know where the camps are - I hvae seen satelite-photoes of such a camp online. alyeskakc says, it has Harry and Hedwig on the cover. catlady_de_venezia says, Elf Owl,Plumage is brownish-grey overall, and is washed with white on the belly and cinnamon on the face. Cinnamon or buffy spots dot the forehead and wings. selah_1977 says, Ooh, ooh! sineadsiobhan says, ooh.. I've got to check it out (the premire magazine) dai_evans says, they couldn't bomb before now, because the taliban hadn't given them reason to Saitaina says, Those are very recent photos and to methey just look like old buildings. dai_evans says, you can't bomb with no reason alyeskakc says, And a nice article with picture inside. sineadsiobhan says, what was the reason they are bombing the Taliban? catlady_de_venezia says, Flight is somewhat bat-like, but not as erratic selah_1977 says, Because they think bin Laden is in Afghanistan. dai_evans says, because they wouldn't surrender bin Laden sineadsiobhan says, Ah I see alyeskakc says, Because they are helping Osama and they're helping terrorism. selah_1977 says, What if he's not there? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, Athene noctura (Little Owl) is too big for Pig. dai_evans says, He is there dai_evans says, they admitted it € pengolodh_sc says, Hang on - I'll look for those photoes. They showed a number of buildings, tunnels into the mountains, etc. catlady_de_venezia says, bat-like sounds like Pigwidgeon boping around all over te place Saitaina says, THEY SHELTERED A WORLD TRAITOR! That's reason enough to shove a granade up their collective political asses. He should have been turned over AGES ago and just now we've decided to take action...grrr. sineadsiobhan says, he is there... they just released a tape dai_evans says, they admitted that they knew where he is selah_1977 says, I know, Sinead. I saw that stuff. catlady_de_venezia says, Elf Owl is the smallest owl but the sizes said oin that page overlap with sizes of Pygmy Owl sineadsiobhan says, I can't believe what he said about the US dai_evans says, they couldn't bomb until now because the diplomatic options hadn't all been explored € catorman says, They don't know if that tape is recent or not, though, do they? € pengolodh_sc says, Picture of a terrorist-camp: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/darunta.htm € shaysmail says, they just said that the missles they use have global positioning systems so they can land within a yard of a target dai_evans says, you cannot start military action until all other avenues have been exhausted sineadsiobhan says, it is recent... I just read on the web about it sineadsiobhan says, but it was made before the attacks € michelleapostolides says, Christian Stuvo... willing and able to find anything on the net.... Saitaina says, Diplomatic action my ass. The CIA has trained assassins (though they won't admit it) I vote for sending them over there and getting rid of them the old fashioned way € michelleapostolides says, * Stubo * € pengolodh_sc says, USA didn't attack until now because as the self-declared good guys they have to give the enemy a chance to give in peacefully first. selah_1977 says, Sait--been there, done that. dai_evans says, For god sake stacey_aka_phatgirl says, definitely leaning toward Elf or Pygmy. Since pygmy doesn't seem to stray into Britain very often, it must be Elf. selah_1977 says, They have tried to get to not only bin Laden, but (I bet, despite the law) Hussein. catlady_de_venezia says, CIA Assassins are a bunch of incompetants Saitaina says, Yes hence the old fasioned way dai_evans says, you argue that bombing is inhumane, and then you advocate for attacking illegally € michelleapostolides says, The coalition has to be seen to do the right thing. € pengolodh_sc says, Those assassins will not succeed, Sait. They are most likely not aRabic in origin. alyeskakc says, It's the most recent but they don't know if it was before or after Sept. 11, to my understanding anyway. € catorman says, That's why we need MI6! selah_1977 says, Thanks, Christian! Saitaina says, I belive in shooting people yes. I belive in assasinating jerks yes. Bombing now selah_1977 says, You're so right! catlady_de_venezia says, Elf Owls are from New World. Either Pigwidgeon was imported or Sirius found in after arrival at safe haven dai_evans says, you cannot attack before all other avenues have been explored selah_1977 says, They need Arabs and others to help! Saitaina says, So hire an Arabic assasin, there's gotta be one avaible for a price dai_evans says, viloence must only be the last option € pengolodh_sc says, Doubt it, Sait dai_evans says, that is why they waited so long simon_fictionalley enters € shaysmail says, i heard they tried to assasinate them during the clinton presidency but it didn't work catlady_de_venezia says, I also queston why Sirius sent his mail by exotic colorful tropical birds, as Owl Pages shows their are tropical owls selah_1977 says, I have two Palestinian girls in my classes--they have relatives (uncles, cousins) who are in Hamas. € pengolodh_sc says, They also waited so long to let a fifth carrier in place, and to let Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfield get back home from the Middle East. catlady_de_venezia says, wb Simon sineadsiobhan says, they tried to reason with the Taliban but they refused to, so.. this is the only way to do this stacey_aka_phatgirl says, Wasn't sirius sending exotic bird mail to England, or am I mixing up canon and fanon again? If so, then it's entirely possible he picked up an Elf owl from somewhere. sineadsiobhan says, hey Simone potterlovingash says, Hi Simon sineadsiobhan says, Simon( sineadsiobhan says, ** selah_1977 says, It's interesting hearing other perspectives. € shaysmail says, i heard they just cancelled the emmys Saitaina says, brb-mum's yelling at me again. alyeskakc says, They needed to make sure that other Arab nations would at least begrugingly support military action. € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Dr. Branford € shaysmail says, howdy simon potterlovingash says, Yep, poor silly Emmy awards alyeskakc says, Hi Simon selah_1977 says, Hey, Cassie's hubby... catlady_de_venezia says, The exotic bird mail is canon, second (I think( chapter of GoF simon_fictionalley says, Hello Sinead (wont misname you as you corrected the mistake € catorman says, Simon! I 've been dying to ask you! € michelleapostolides says, He3llo Dr B. selah_1977 says, They cancelled them AGAIN? simon_fictionalley schnoogles Cass in her absence selah_1977 says, Why? simon_fictionalley says, Hello Pingu € catorman says, What do you think about Snowy owls being dim? € shaysmail says, this time they didn't delay them, they cancelled them € michelleapostolides smiling... sineadsiobhan says, they cancelled them? € shaysmail says, yep selah_1977 says, So there will be no Emmy awards? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, dammit. Tagliani just poked the wall, while hanging onto second place. € shaysmail says, yep selah_1977 says, WHY? simon_fictionalley says, I have not seen the times yet (nor will I - until someone uplaods a full copy) € pengolodh_sc says, When a war's started, they tend to cancel entertainment-events simon_fictionalley says, and snowy owls are not dim - not magical ones sineadsiobhan says, they were all excited about it last week € shaysmail says, because the odds of a terrorist attack in the next 24 hours are huge selah_1977 says, Is this a war, when? € catorman says, Exactly! selah_1977 says, They ought to say so, then! € pengolodh_sc says, It is a war now. dai_evans says, yes, it's war alyeskakc says, Well I guess the attckes today changed that excitment. € shaysmail says, the president has said it is a war € catorman says, OK - off to finish dinner - back in about half an hour! catlady_de_venezia says, Presumably they will issued a press release telling who won all the Emmies, and hand-deliver the awards to their winners at their offices € pengolodh_sc says, I believe the words war have been used already. catorman leaves € michelleapostolides says, No, it's a conflict. alyeskakc says, Bye Catherine selah_1977 says, Then they need to tell us what kind of war it is. € michelleapostolides gets tape ready. catlady_de_venezia The TXT list of chatter aliases is to be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20Chatter%27s%20List alyeskakc says, It's not like anything we've ever seen before. catlady_de_venezia The HTML list of chatter aliases is to be found at: catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20chatterlist.html catlady_de_venezia This chat will be saved and posted on theYahoo Group : catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/ dai_evans says, what the hell is the difference between a conflict and a war? selah_1977 says, Dai--and that is why I hate the media. selah_1977 says, And postmodern society. simon_fictionalley says, America can lose the first but not the second? € michelleapostolides says, I think that technically you need to have more than one area affected. dai_evans says, that's it, Simon selah_1977 says, We need to let our yes mean yes and our no mean no. € pengolodh_sc says, IIRC, GWB stated that whoever was responsible for the attacks on Pentagon and WTC had declared war on USA. If the POTUS says so, it is war, as the power to declare war lies with POTUS. potterlovingash says, when was Desert Storm considered a war. I was just a kid then selah_1977 says, I was too-in middle school. selah_1977 says, Will this be more like Vietnam, I wonder? € shaysmail says, here is a quote from pres bush's speech This military action is a part of our campaign against terrorism, another front in a war that has already been joined through diplomacy, intelligence, the freezing of financial assets and the arrests of known terrorists by law enforcement agents in 38 countries. € michelleapostolides says, I was just starting Uni. selah_1977 says, That was a terrible War and we LOST it. catlady_de_venezia says, The power to declare war is in the CONGRESS selah_1977 says, Exactly, Catlady! catlady_de_venezia says, according to the CONSTITUTION € pengolodh_sc says, No, with the POTUS selah_1977 says, And Congress has not declared war... alyeskakc says, When they statred bombing Bhagdad it became Desert Storm as opposed to Desert Shield. € pengolodh_sc says, The congress can refuse to allow extra funding, however. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, Brits: Where is Cumbria? € shaysmail says, they have already given the funding catlady_de_venezia says, which is why Vietnam was always officially called a 'police action' not a 'war' selah_1977 says, Can't they give us a name for it? € michelleapostolides says, North East € pengolodh_sc says, They can vote to support the declaration as well. selah_1977 says, Terrorism War? selah_1977 says, War on Bin Laden? € pengolodh_sc says, Korea was called a police action. I don't think Vietnam was called that. selah_1977 says, Afghanistan War? alyeskakc says, IT's the war on Terrorism selah_1977 says, Well, the vets call it a war. € shaysmail says, a transcript of pres bush's speech is at... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/strike_bushtrans011007.html alyeskakc says, Korea was a Police action Vietnam was a war. catlady_de_venezia says, Vietnam was OFFICIALLY called a Police Action and UNOFFICIAlly called a war. potterlovingash says, maybe we'll get some cheesy war name like Desert Storm € michelleapostolides says, What is the difference ? selah_1977 says, Kristin... isn't it fitting that the first war of the 21st century is not a place, but a concept? € shaysmail says, we did get a cheesy name already. lemme find it selah_1977 says, The Terrorism War. € shaysmail says, first, here is tony blair's speech http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/strike_blairtrans011007.html stacey_aka_phatgirl says, excuse me while I distract myself with the most recent chapter of Protective Bonds selah_1977 says, Weird. catlady_de_venezia says, Enduring Freedom (freedom is so difficult to endure) after Infinite Justice was complained about € michelleapostolides says, Thanks for that link alyeskakc says, That is interesting. ANd we're really defending a concept as well as our country. € shaysmail says, the president said, and i quote... The name of today's military operation is Enduring Freedom. potterlovingash says, Yep, cheese factor there selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, Am I allowed to laugh? € pengolodh_sc says, I think I will distract myself with Protective Bonds as well, not to mention dinner (Knakkwurst with mash and vegetable-chutney) € shaysmail says, they are replaying his speech on abc now simon_fictionalley says, can anyone get to see teh FA ezboard (i.e. The Park)? catlady_de_venezia says, on the ridiculous grounds that only Muslims think that only God's Justice can be Infinite -- what do they think christians and jews think? potterlovingash says, laughter is good medicine € michelleapostolides says, Yes alyeskakc says, Sure potterlovingash says, like the joke shop in Harry Potter € shaysmail says, rita, didn't you listen to bin laden? god hates the united states selah_1977 says, And you know there are two sides to every story. € michelleapostolides says, My sister in law's brother made a joke last night. potterlovingash says, I got onto it Simon but after three tries selah_1977 says, Our side and their side. selah_1977 says, If we can't see their side, imagine how they see ours. catlady_de_venezia says, Shay, Osama and Fallwell. what do they know about anything? sineadsiobhan says, I hate it when they use God in this, as a reason to attack us.... € michelleapostolides says, Who is Fallwell > sineadsiobhan says, that's a stupid excuse, in my opinion € michelleapostolides says, ? € shaysmail says, falwell thinks the people died because of homosexuals. clearly he understands god too simon_fictionalley says, thanks Ash - I'll keeptrying alyeskakc says, You're talking about people who are fanatical cowards that use religion as a way to justify their actions against others. € michelleapostolides says, He is a sick man. sineadsiobhan says, Falwell is a psycho reverend who thought Tinky Winky was a gay symbol potterlovingash says, lol I remember that sineadsiobhan says, (as in the Teletubbies) € shaysmail says, yes he is. to blame the death of 5000 people on the united states not throwing out all homosexuals is absolutely ridiculous selah_1977 says, Falwell is not the only person I have heard say that on the Religious Right. € michelleapostolides says, I know the Teletubbies well. selah_1977 says, I will shut up now. potterlovingash says, Because he was purple, right € pengolodh_sc says, That was partly because Falwell didn't know the difference between pink and purple selah_1977 says, LOL! sineadsiobhan says, and he had the upsidedown triangle too alyeskakc says, And He had a purse € michelleapostolides says, Nobody should shut up here. € shaysmail says, don't forget, tinky winky carried a purse selah_1977 says, OK, Michelle... sineadsiobhan says, it's not a purse it's a carrying case € shaysmail says, not according to falwell selah_1977 says, Then I have heard several prominent religious people say that. Saitaina leaves € pengolodh_sc says, The inverse purple triangle was used to identify Jehova's Witnesses in the KZ-camps in WWII dai_evans says, nah, it's a hand bag sineadsiobhan says, Didn't Seinfeld do something about male purses? dai_evans says, Robbie Coltrane carries a handbag potterlovingash says, There was a man on the subway yesterday with a purse shaysmail leaves dai_evans says, it says so in his interview in the HP supplement in the Sunday times shaysmail enters sineadsiobhan says, handbags are essential catlady_de_venezia says, what happenec Shay? pengolodh_sc tapes down shaysmail potterlovingash says, Yes, he's proud of it, good ol' Robbie Coltrane catlady_de_venezia says, Sinead: men have pockets. Everyone has backpacks € shaysmail says, no idea. just got the boot. maybe it was falwell's god getting me for making fun of him sineadsiobhan says, tiny pockets alyeskakc says, I almost forgot, in the HP article in the new Premiere they had a little facts box, in it it said that Hogwrats has 400 students. catlady_de_venezia says, The movie is not canon dai_evans says, not really canon though selah_1977 says, Yes, it is! alyeskakc says, They based the facts of the books not the movie. alyeskakc says, I mean off € michelleapostolides says, Ebs I don't think so. catlady_de_venezia says, it can't be canon: it got the uniforms wrong, the uniforms are black robes and pointy hats, not blzers dai_evans says, the student number issue is never addressed in the books € pengolodh_sc says, When the movie and JKRs statements collide, I give most weight to what JKR said. sineadsiobhan blinks... we're on topic! € michelleapostolides says, The hats are wrong. selah_1977 says, Did JKR say there were 1000 statements? € pengolodh_sc says, Yes. selah_1977 says, students! alyeskakc says, Hee Hee selah_1977 says, Not statements! catlady_de_venezia says, She said in an interview that there were 1000 students, very didrectly dai_evans says, easily 1000 statments € pengolodh_sc says, She explicitly stated 1000 students sineadsiobhan says, lol selah_1977 says, There aren't 1000 magical kids in the UK! potterlovingash says, {Feels urge to go get Premiere magazine, just too lazy to get off of bed} € michelleapostolides says, Might be alyeskakc says, Are you sure it wasn't statements? € pengolodh_sc says, Beg your pardon, Ebony? dai_evans says, I'm pretty magical dai_evans says, although I guess I'm not really a kid sineadsiobhan says, oh yes he's magical *winks* € shaysmail says, is this the october issue of premiere? selah_1977 says, Well, I am in all the unpopular fandom camps. catlady_de_venezia says, There MUST be 1000 magical kinds in UK to keep up a magical population large enough to support all those businesses € michelleapostolides says, I mean, large families. Big rise in birhts post Voldemeort. selah_1977 says, I'm a small-Hogwartian, an H/H shipper, and think Hermione was born in 1980. potterlovingash says, Be proud Eb! Go unpopular HP camps! alyeskakc says, November catlady_de_venezia says, 1000 in island of Briitain and associated olittle isles. More in Ireland catorman enters dai_evans says, post voldemort baby boom selah_1977 says, So I think I just am in the unpopular crowd! catlady_de_venezia says, and Hermione was born in 1]979. € michelleapostolides tapes catherine down selah_1977 says, And proud of it! selah_1977 says, wb Catherine € pengolodh_sc says, Ebony - in you Paradies series there seems to be 300 000 magical people in Britain alone. That in it self requires 15 000 magical children to maintain the population. € catorman says, I went deliberately, that time, Michelle. selah_1977 says, Nah, not that many. € michelleapostolides says, ? selah_1977 says, Why do you think they all married each other? € pengolodh_sc says, Yes that many - I do not recollect the figures exactly but the figures you mentioned meant that there were that many. selah_1977 says, But see, that can't be right. selah_1977 says, I hate math. € pengolodh_sc says, You said there were 30 million wizards worldwide, for instance alyeskakc says, I would tend to agree that Hogwarts is more in the 400-500 student range not 1000. selah_1977 says, Right--worldwide. € pengolodh_sc says, Britain has 1% of the world muggle population. synaesthete7 enters € pengolodh_sc says, 1% of 30 million is 300 000 selah_1977 says, But not necessarily that much of the wizarding population. synaesthete7 says, Hello! *waves* selah_1977 says, We've discussed that onlist recently. catlady_de_venezia says, Ebony, how did a big store like Dob and Winks survive if all its customer base waws a population of 5000? € michelleapostolides says, Hello. catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Rebecca selah_1977 says, Rita--iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's magic! alyeskakc says, Hi € pengolodh_sc says, 0.25% of 30 million is still 75 000, requiring more than 3 000 magical children sineadsiobhan says, lol selah_1977 says, Nah. selah_1977 says, A lot of 'em don't have kids. selah_1977 says, I think the wizarding world is heading towards extinction. € pengolodh_sc says, Then that population is rapidly shrinking, Ebony catlady_de_venezia says, Christian, tell me what life expectancy you are thining of, I'm too laxy to back-compute € shaysmail says, but some muggles have magic kids synaesthete7 says, Hi, Rita! sineadsiobhan says, and alot of them aren't of age to enter Hogwarts just yet selah_1977 says, Basically, Christian. € pengolodh_sc says, Twice that of a muggle, Rita selah_1977 says, (is laughing so hard right now her stomach hurts) alyeskakc says, Yeah who says they all have kids. Could yuo imagine Snape being a father? selah_1977 says, Nope. € pengolodh_sc says, 3000 magical kids in Hogwarts-age, Sinead synaesthete7 says, I just saw the picture of Harry at the window from the Sunday Times... oh, he's so cute and wistful-looking... catlady_de_venezia says, 150? selah_1977 says, I saw that too, Rebecca. Isn't he? synaesthete7 says, Erm, yes, actually. (To the Snape being a father thing ) synaesthete7 says, Just adorable. € pengolodh_sc says, I get my numbers of 3000 Hogwarts-age kids to support a population of 75000 wizards from demographic data of Norway and Scotland catlady_de_venezia says, that ws the topic last week, Snape and Maudie's ten children sineadsiobhan says, where would the Snapelets be? € shaysmail says, but there is the issue of voldemorts reign ending and how many people wanted to have kids during that time selah_1977 says, I'm proud of being bad with numbers! So is JKR! € catorman says, Eb - was did the first chapter of PL have anything to do with Silence of the Lambs? (In more than one way) synaesthete7 says, I must say, that pic beats the tar out of the cheesy pic of Snape with his hands on his hips. selah_1977 says, THANKS, Shay! alyeskakc says, Ok Rebecca I'll give you that. synaesthete7 is rather disappointed with the poses in the formal pics of Snape so far selah_1977 says, Cat--huh? selah_1977 says, I'm lost... synaesthete7 says, Not ten, Rita! synaesthete7 says, I think that would be a BIT much! selah_1977 says, LOL! Snape with 10 kids? selah_1977 says, Nooo.... € catorman says, Well, the lift thing. and the relationship between Hermione and Jack. It did seem FBI. synaesthete7 says, No, only three. Spaced out and all, no triplets. sineadsiobhan says, Snape sure has been busy aside from being a Potions professor € shaysmail says, he's such a stud, he probably has little snapelets running around all over the place (note the sarcasm) selah_1977 says, LOL, Catherine! I'm in a weird mood. It's been a weird fall here. alyeskakc says, Hee Hee synaesthete7 says, Well, it hasn't happened YET. selah_1977 says, So the fic will be weird. € michelleapostolides says, Don't get me started on Jack......! selah_1977 says, Didn't know you had read it. synaesthete7 says, You want to talk about weird? Today we woke up to an inch of snow. Then it melted. Then it snowed again. Then we had HAIL... potterlovingash is away (Reading...got two days to read 500 pages of Anna Karenina :)) selah_1977 says, LOL, Rebecca... fun! € catorman says, Sorry, I'm rubbish at posting reviews. I never know what to say. selah_1977 says, Go, Canada... alyeskakc says, Snow!!! YAY!!! I can't wait for ski season. synaesthete7 says, No, Snape is not a stud... don't think there are any studs in canon, frankly. Not even Sirius. selah_1977 says, Catherine--that's OK, as long as you didn't think it stunk monkeys. synaesthete7 says, Well, this is absurd. We NEVER have snow in early October, it's obscene. € pengolodh_sc says, . selah_1977 says, I hope we have a snowy winter. synaesthete7 says, So that's why it's so weird. € michelleapostolides says, No snow ! € catorman says, No, I didn't. I get kind of frustrated that Harry' s not there yet... selah_1977 says, We had a snowy December last year, and then no more snow all winter. selah_1977 says, Catherine--he's coming back! (and how...) € michelleapostolides says, If it snows I don't leave the house alyeskakc says, WE won't get snow here until at least late Oct. but more around Nov. selah_1977 says, B) € catorman says, I wish I knew! synaesthete7 says, you know, I keep thinking I should write a story about the Trio, but I never have any ideas... *glumly* selah_1977 says, And when he's back, he won't leave.... € michelleapostolides says, Whoa. € catorman says, Hurrah!!!!!!!! selah_1977 says, Rebecca-- alyeskakc says, Although a couple times we've received snow the first week of Oct . during Balloon Fiesta. synaesthete7 says, Yes? selah_1977 says, I want to write Snape/professors but can't. € michelleapostolides says, I'll be looking out for the file )) € catorman says, Oh, I wish I could beta this. I'm terrible at waiting. synaesthete7 says, LOL! € shaysmail says, i've got 3 fics going and i can't decide which one to spend the most time working on selah_1977 says, ;-) synaesthete7 says, I can't write anybody BUT the adults, it seems. selah_1977 says, That's a good thing! synaesthete7 says, Although right now I can't write anything, all I can do is draw. selah_1977 says, Ooh, have you posted anything? synaesthete7 says, I was thinking maybe I should try Sirius and/or Remus next. selah_1977 says, Catherine--you can beta! € catorman says, If I ever wrote fanfic, I'd be terrible. I'd paint Ron much blacker than Eb. € catorman says, Can I? selah_1977 says, You'd be PERFECT--you're a L.O.O.N. michelleapostolides grins evilly. synaesthete7 says, Gobs, it's all at http://www.sugarquill.net/authors/rjanderson.html . selah_1977 says, I lost several betas recently. € catorman says, Excellent! selah_1977 says, Cool! alyeskakc says, I need to get back in writing mode. I've been a bit distracted to write. selah_1977 says, Fanart? synaesthete7 says, See how easy it is, Catherine? € catorman says, Not excellent that you lost betas, but excellent, that I can. synaesthete7 says, Yep. selah_1977 says, Great then, Catherine... you're on as of Chapter 2. synaesthete7 says, Most of it illos for D&L. selah_1977 says, Ooh, Rebecca--wonderful! € michelleapostolides says, Ha ha. we'll turn into a coven, Me Catherine and Eb. selah_1977 says, *cackles* € catorman says, You're Rebecca? OK, I'm confused now. selah_1977 says, *stirs cauldron* alyeskakc says, I'd help but I've never beta'd before. catlady_de_venezia The TXT list of chatter aliases is to be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20Chatter%27s%20List selah_1977 says, Syn. is Rebecca... catlady_de_venezia The HTML list of chatter aliases is to be found at: catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20chatterlist.html synaesthete7 says, Well, head and shoulders portraits of everybody, mostly. € michelleapostolides says, Betaing is easy. catlady_de_venezia This chat will be saved and posted on theYahoo Group : catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/ synaesthete7 says, Yes, I was too lazy to log in as maud_moody, this is my general alias. € catorman says, I always wondered who you were! € shaysmail says, i'm doing beta for some people and i really enjoy it. i don't think it is easy though synaesthete7 says, Sorry! alyeskakc says, And I'm the queen of the run on sentence. My english teacher used to get relly annoyed with me. synaesthete7 grins sheepishly selah_1977 says, Beta reading is hard. catlady_de_venezia says, Rebeccaa, do you know how to link two Yahoo IDs together € catorman says, That's OK! synaesthete7 says, Nope. € pengolodh_sc says, . € michelleapostolides says, I don't think so. synaesthete7 says, I usually just sign off and then sign back in with my other name and password. simon_fictionalley says, I am doing beta for two people and neither has English as a first languauge - how do I manage it? € michelleapostolides says, Mind you, I mainly stick to Brit picking. synaesthete7 says, But now that I have Yahoo!Messenger it automatically logs me in as synaesthete7, so... selah_1977 says, Simon, you are brilliant! € michelleapostolides says, Because you are the great Dr B ! € catorman says, Some Beta-ing is very difficult. I did some once for someone who's first language wasn't English, but who wanted it to be idiomatic - couldn't do it - I ended up writing more than she did. selah_1977 says, Sure it's no trouble... synaesthete7 says, Hey! Somebody is translating D&L into French, *and* somebody else is doing it into Swedish! I was so chuffed! alyeskakc says, So if I beta it would not be for my grammar skills. € shaysmail says, i beta for yael, but she has a pretty good understanding of english selah_1977 says, Cool, Rebecca! synaesthete7 says, I got the first French chapter today... I had no idea Snape in French is called "Rogue"! catlady_de_venezia says, It isn't on YahooHelp but I fumbled around selah_1977 says, Yael is a MUCH better writer than she gives herself credit for! synaesthete7 says, It makes him sound like some sort of swashbuckling hero. *makes swishy rapier movement* € shaysmail says, her new story is great catlady_de_venezia says, and got catlady_de_los+angeles and catldy_de-Venexia € catorman says, Is Yael OK? selah_1977 says, She kept complaining about the English--and I kept saying, what trouble? € michelleapostolides says, Ahem ! there is someone else who does that too. simon_fictionalley says, I beta for yael as well synaesthete7 says, And Moody is Maugrey, which is even cooler. catlady_de_venezia says, linked so that I cold use eitehr to chat on YM selah_1977 says, She's really very cool.... simon_fictionalley says, the other person I beta for (Aline) originally wrote in portuguese synaesthete7 says, Oh My Word. catlady_de_venezia says, but cant remember how I did it simon_fictionalley says, then the fic has been translated by someone else into English selah_1977 says, I am using Portuguese speakers for this fic. synaesthete7 says, It is a BLIZZARD out here!!! *eyes popping out of head* synaesthete7 says, and yet the grass is all green, none of it is staying on the ground... selah_1977 says, Thank GOD none of the canon people know Portuguese... alyeskakc says, Cool. I love snow. € pengolodh_sc says, Where are you, Rebecca, where the weather is so foul? selah_1977 says, Pretty, Rebecca... sineadsiobhan says, where are you? there's not much, except for the leaves covering our driveway synaesthete7 says, Stratford, Ontario, Canada. selah_1977 says, We usually get our first in November here. lupinesque enters € michelleapostolides shudders aty thought of snow. € catorman says, The person I beta'd for got really pissed off with me for being too picky, and changed her mind from wanting it to be idiomatic, to wanting it grammatical, to wanting it vaguely grammatical. synaesthete7 says, Us, too! That's why I'm so flabbergasted. We don't usually see snow until end of November, and it doesn't usually stay until early December. catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Amy selah_1977 says, Be nice if it's cold and snowy. Especially since I don't have far to commute... alyeskakc says, Hi Amy € michelleapostolides says, Hello Amy selah_1977 says, Amy!!! synaesthete7 says, Hello, Amy! € catorman says, I said she could either wait for me to do it properly or get someone else to do it. She got someone else. lupinesque says, Hi! € catorman says, Hi Amy! selah_1977 says, Catherine, I need a beta who will be nitpicky. You'd be perfect. synaesthete7 says, Oh, I just love nitpicky betas. Seriously, they are the best. € catorman says, Fine - because that is me! lupinesque says, Did someone say it's snowing? 'Cause we got a few flakes today € catorman says, Already! synaesthete7 says, It's snowing here in Ontario, Amy. As in, driving snow. selah_1977 says, Michelle already does an excellent job Brit-proofing... € pengolodh_sc says, Greetings, Amy selah_1977 says, I want snow! lupinesque says, I wouldn't call it snowing exactly, but it wasn't rain... lupinesque says, Hi Christian! selah_1977 (( € shaysmail says, when i do beta i use the notes feature on word. i think i had something like 100 notes for yael and i didn't think she needed much work alyeskakc says, I'm glad I have a bets who's a little nitpicky with my aversion to commas. € catorman says, We're still in Indian Summer/Rain, here. I'd love proper snow here. € michelleapostolides says, Ebony is the thirs HPfGuer to make me blush this week.... simon_fictionalley says, it has stopped raining now! selah_1977 says, blushes... synaesthete7 says, but you know, even with a team of eight betas I discovered a MAJOR boo-boo a couple of weeks ago... but fortunately, none of my readers/reviewers seem to have spotted it yet. lupinesque says, why's everyone blushing? lupinesque says, ooh, a contest: find the blooper € catorman says, The rain has been miserable today. Hasn't stopped. selah_1977 says, Oh, I have mistakes galore, Rebeeca. Hideous ones! selah_1977 says, It is sunny and chilly here. selah_1977 says, In the 40s Fahrenheit. simon_fictionalley says, mid afternoon I was out in the open, cleaning up from orienteering selah_1977 says, Cannot WAIT for the fall colors to reach here... lupinesque says, We're about at peak here synaesthete7 says, Our trees turned colour suddenly, like overnight... synaesthete7 says, Amy, where are you? lupinesque says, Peak where I work, not yet where I live--it lasts longer this way! simon_fictionalley says, the rain was going horizontally - such was the force of the wind lupinesque says, VT alyeskakc says, No rain here, partly cloudy, around 65F a beautiful Oct day full of balloons in the sky this morning. selah_1977 says, Right--the U.P.'s at peak, so that's about parallel to you... we peak in 2 weeks. synaesthete7 says, Ah, that explains it. € catorman says, Ours don't - it is very gradual. I'd love to go to New England and see the sudden change. € pengolodh_sc says, . lupinesque says, It's not that sudden--it lasts a few weeks any given place selah_1977 says, Atlanta peaks around Thanksgiving... it's so pretty but weird to see fall colors that far south. € shaysmail says, i live in pennsylvania, it's starting to get cold here at night € catorman says, Weeks as opposed to months though. € shaysmail says, eb, where do you live in atlanta? synaesthete7 says, I must say I was surprised to come on here and find people actually discussing HP. selah_1977 says, I hate that this fall has been so weird. € catorman says, We were! selah_1977 says, I don't live in Atlanta--but it's like my second home! synaesthete7 says, I was expecting politics, to be honest, and a rather sombre mood. But perhaps that came earlier. lupinesque says, Our big fundraiser at church is a fall foliage B&B weekend and it almost ruins foliage season for me 'cause I'm anxiously watching the leaves synaesthete7 says, I know, Catherine, I was serious. lupinesque says, don't turn too soon! OK, turn now! selah_1977 says, I live in Michigan. alyeskakc says, The aspens are starting to turn around Santa Fe and Las Alamos. Still a week early here in Albuquerque. sineadsiobhan says, I miss the east coast lupinesque says, now I feel guilty dai_evans says, you'll go back there € shaysmail says, that's funny. i have a cousin in atlanta and she and her hubby moved back there from michigan synaesthete7 leaves € michelleapostolides says, Why guilty Amy ? lupinesque says, I should be listening to the radio and weeping and here I am yammering € catorman says, I think we're all trying to switch off from it. selah_1977 says, Amy--you know as clergy that it's all natural. lupinesque says, it's in the genes catlady_de_venezia says, Amy, don;t be so hard on yourself, you need a break lupinesque says, (guilt) selah_1977 says, Denial. € shaysmail says, i'm surprised cbs switched back to football coverage € michelleapostolides says, #Weeping would be to give in. We need to take strength in each other selah_1977 says, It's a defense mechanism! catorman leaves catorman enters € shaysmail says, i just turned on e! and they are taking away all the emmy award stuff from the place where they were supposed to be having it alyeskakc says, I've just been too stressed out for the last month to deal with what's going on right now. I need a little break. catlady_de_venezia says, they just cancelled the emmies ceremony sineadsiobhan says, true € shaysmail says, actually, they cancelled about 2 hours ago lupinesque says, I read the news in 5-minute snippets catlady_de_venezia says, I'm sure they will issue a press replease telling who won, lupinesque says, that's all I can handle at a time catlady_de_venezia says, and deliver their prixes to them catlady_de_venezia says, Shay, I lose track of time € shaysmail says, the guy who runs it is on now € michelleapostolides says, Won't mean much though. lupinesque says, here's a sad little reverberation from all this tragedy: € michelleapostolides says, Did anyone see the pictures of Geri Halliwell ? alyeskakc says, No € shaysmail says, no. why? stacey_aka_phatgirl says, the ones where she looks like a death's head? lupinesque says, I just did a wedding (2 hours ago) and the groom's family couldn't be there b/c they're Arab-American lupinesque says, and are nervous about traveling, so many of them all together € michelleapostolides says, Dresses in a sexy version of a bottle green Army jacket and cap. lupinesque says, 11 Arab-Americans on a plane--they just didn't want to deal with it € michelleapostolides says, That is so sad. € shaysmail says, that is sad alyeskakc says, That is sad. € michelleapostolides says, Why do people forget that we all look to the same God ? lupinesque says, yeah lupinesque says, his aunt and uncle and a cousin made it as family representatives catlady_de_venezia says, Michelle, that doesnt help: Falwell wants to kill the same people bin Ladin does € shaysmail says, i agree rita dai_evans says, Michelle, God has nothing to do with it. Arseholes Like bin Laden just use religeon as an excuse € michelleapostolides shakes head. € pengolodh_sc says, . lupinesque says, I dunno, Dai. They're so dangerous because they really think this is God's will sineadsiobhan says, very poor excuse these days lupinesque says, same with Falwell, I'm sure dai_evans says, how can they think that killing 5000 people is Gods will? € michelleapostolides says, Because they are screwed up. lupinesque says, if they were just hypocrites I don't know if they'd have so much energy, nor the willingness to commit suicide sineadsiobhan says, it's like with other murderers that said, "God made me do it." dai_evans says, good point, Michelle selah_1977 says, Wait a minute. € michelleapostolides says, Dai ? You said I made a good point ? Thank you ! lupinesque says, it's easy, we've been fighting in God's name for 300 years over here alyeskakc says, They use religion to justify their behavior. selah_1977 says, Falwell doesn't want to kill the same people bin Laden does. dai_evans says, yeah, ok, don't let your ego swell € michelleapostolides says, I won't. dai_evans says, good lupinesque says, Falwell doesn't want to kill gays, he wants God to do it sineadsiobhan says, what is it with using God? selah_1977 says, Yeah, but when Falwell's group killed 7000 people in a single day? € michelleapostolides says, How did they do that Ebsa ? € shaysmail says, they both say that their god wants to kill people because they think they are bad dai_evans says, God is an excuse to fight over cultural differences selah_1977 says, When has that happened? lupinesque says, I didn't say they'd do it, I just mean they'd smile if, oh, say, a hurricane hit ... remember Pat Robertson and the hurricane? selah_1977 says, Yeah, but the difference is that bin Laden actually didn't. selah_1977 says, did it, I mean... selah_1977 says, Typing REALLY fast! € shaysmail says, if he had guts, he would have been on a plane. he's a chicken ordering people around selah_1977 says, Oh, but religious chickens are not the only chickens. € michelleapostolides says, The Taleban are worse cowards. alyeskakc says, It's an action of power over others not faith. I view them(terrorists) as no better than rapists it's all about exerting thier power over others. selah_1977 says, Neither are they the worst. lupinesque says, Just about any sin is multiplied if done in the name of religion. But heaven knows we've found lots of other reasons to kill each other € shaysmail says, brb, the puppy has to be a big boy outside synaesthete7 enters selah_1977 says, I don't agree with the first part of that statement, Amy--but I am with you on the second. synaesthete7 says, Sorry about that! I got kicked off my computer. synaesthete7 says, Aigh! What statement? selah_1977 says, Religions also offer mercy... selah_1977 says, Charity... catlady_de_venezia says, Kristin, with respect, the evil idiots on those planes KNEW they were going to die. Very few rapists expect that they will die by committing the rape selah_1977 says, Hope... lupinesque says, just looking historically at the intensity of the killing in the name of God--but also, I meant it's multplied b'c hypocrisy is added to the mix catlady_de_venezia says, Eb, Amy is a minister € michelleapostolides says, Hope is what we need to give each other selah_1977 says, Religion has done more positive than negative for people. € catorman says, Most of the Taliban aren't actually religious, though. selah_1977 says, I can't just sit here and let blanket statements be made, though. lupinesque says, I hope so, Ebony--I don't want to try to do the math € pengolodh_sc says, Ebony, you misread Amy. selah_1977 says, No, I don't think I have. selah_1977 says, I think I am being misread. lupinesque says, take it away, christian--what did I say? ;-) selah_1977 says, Lord. synaesthete7 says, I dunno, Eb, it depends what you mean by "religion". I like James's definition -- "Pure religion and undefiled is this; to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unspotted by the world." € michelleapostolides says, Hey, agree to diagree right ? catlady_de_venezia says, Eb, she said the sin is WORSE when done in the name of religions because it is the sin itself PLUS the other sin of abusing religion selah_1977 says, Rebecca--exactly. lupinesque says, right, thanks Rita alyeskakc says, Yes that's true but it's still an action of power throught violence. They are using trying to make people fearful so that they will bend to thier way of thinking. € pengolodh_sc says, I agree with Amy - if i say I am going to kill a person because I think he is not good enough for God, does not the fact that i do it in the name of religion increase the sin I commit by murder? selah_1977 says, Then how do you explain Stalin? lupinesque says, and thanks Rebecca and James too € catorman says, That's how I read it, Rita/ synaesthete7 says, LOL, Amy. selah_1977 says, I just will step out of this and let you guys continue. lupinesque says, so here we are creating more widows and orphans, and killing them too . . . sigh € catorman says, Stalin took the opposite - he knew that religion is a huge influencer, and didn't want competition, so cut it out. selah_1977 says, This is why I don't discuss faith in the fandom. € pengolodh_sc says, What I read Amy as saying is that when you commit a sin (knowing that it is a sin) in the name of your religion, aren't you then also committing the sin of hypocricsy? synaesthete7 says, I think human beings will twist whatever they can to get the results they want, whether it's religion or irreligion. € catorman says, Where as most of the other European states used RC to keep the peasantry under control. lupinesque says, Right--and it's because I'm a religious person that I am so enraged by that catlady_de_venezia says, Eb, I don;t think anyone in this discussion dislikes religion. I myself am a Wiccan. selah_1977 says, But hypocrisy is not limited to the religious or those who invoke the name of God in their sins. lupinesque says, true selah_1977 says, THAT's what I'm trying to say. lupinesque says, I am just particularly offended by hypocrisy against God dai_evans says, The pope used RC to keep the European Countries (not states) under control synaesthete7 says, I would say, though, that a person who does evil and claims it is in God's name has a great deal more to answer for. And I believe that they will answer to God for it. selah_1977 says, I'm offended by it, period. selah_1977 says, Okay, Rebecca. € pengolodh_sc says, But incoving your religion to justify a sin you commit, doesn't that still magnify the original sin? selah_1977 says, No, it doesn't. lupinesque says, people kill in the name of high ideals like justice, freedom, etc. too, so you are right there, Ebony alyeskakc says, That's true, however in this case Osama bi Laden and the Taliban are using their actions as a religous war against the US and what we stand for. lupinesque says, it's all idolatry € catorman says, That's what I was saying, Dai - the Divine right of Kings, a very ignorant, superstitious peasantry who did exactly what the RC priest would tell them € pengolodh_sc says, That was for Eb, btw. selah_1977 says, And I answered it, Christian. selah_1977 says, See above. synaesthete7 must have missed something here catlady_de_venezia says, oKAY, what is the differemce between what rebeca said and whay amy said? € pengolodh_sc says, OK. Things move fast here in chat at times - sometimes an asnwer is given before the question has been typed out. selah_1977 says, Right, Christian. synaesthete7 says, I didn't see Amy's original statement, so I can't say... maybe we're saying the same thing. selah_1977 says, And right now I feel as if I am being attacked. € catorman says, I do think that many of the people who use religion to excuse or justify what they are doing are not truly religious and don't believe in anything. lupinesque says, you didn't see it and I don't remember it! synaesthete7 says, True, Catherine. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, hugs Ebony catlady_de_venezia says, Eb, she said the sin is WORSE when done in the name of religions because it is the sin itself PLUS the other sin of abusing religion selah_1977 says, Rebecca--I wouldn't be surprised if you were saying the same thing as Amy was. selah_1977 says, *shrugs* € pengolodh_sc says, I wasn't emaning to attack you, Ebony. lupinesque says, schnoogles Ebony synaesthete7 says, I think it's just a convenient excuse and a way to get well-meaning people to support them. € pengolodh_sc says, meaning* synaesthete7 says, Why does that sound ominous? :/ catlady_de_venezia says, she said the sin is 'magnified' and I thought maybe the word magnified was the causwe of the misunderstanding, but apparetly not lupinesque says, Rebecca: I think they really believe it, though. Religion can make people do such terrible things because it is so powerful. € catorman says, I agree, Rebecca. selah_1977 says, I'll be back--think it's time for me to bow out of this discussion. lupinesque says, Some are just using the words and don't believe them, but some really do--I don't know who's more dangerous synaesthete7 says, I guess I don't see religion as having anything to do with what I believe. So I don't feel that pointing out the historical atrocities committed in the name of religion is a bad thing. € catorman says, Oh, don't go, Eb. We should change the subject. selah_1977 says, Because I am being totally misunderstood. selah_1977 says, See you later. selah_1977 leaves € pengolodh_sc says, It's just that typing, eating and keeping up with the chat is difficult at times. I may have missed out on a comment you gave or misread you. synaesthete7 says, I mean, the cross itself is an example. stacey_aka_phatgirl says, *please* change the subject. dai_evans says, That annoys me € catorman says, Oh dear. synaesthete7 says, Sigh. lupinesque says, okay, Rebecca and I love having these conversations so we can do it offlist... alyeskakc says, What synaesthete7 says, I must have missed the discussion. synaesthete7 says, Or rather, the beginning thereof. € catorman says, I really enjoy these discussions as well. dai_evans says, when people leave a descussion when people will not agree with them, instead of fully explaining their point of view lupinesque says, Rebecca, I want to hear about the cross--email me! aiz24@hotmail.com catlady_de_venezia says, What annoys you Dai, people starting a thread and then running away from it? dai_evans says, yes dai_evans says, partly catlady_de_venezia says, vote: who wants the corss to be in the chat room? Me, I want t here it? € catorman says, I'm getting sick of this happening in chat. dai_evans says, it's not pleasant alyeskakc says, What, I'm confused dai_evans says, I don't like the idea of banning subjects either though michelleapostolides leaves michelleapostolides enters € catorman says, No - neither do I, but I know to my cost that it is easy for things to be misconstrued in here, and it isn't a comfortable feeling. dai_evans says, that's very true sineadsiobhan says, maybe she needed to cool down a bit then come back in? alyeskakc says, I must have missed something that caused Eb to get upset. synaesthete7 says, True, but surely we can talk it out? Sometimes you just have to keep talking until you either understand each other, or at least understand that you're not going to agree but can respect each other's opinions. synaesthete7 says, Maybe it's just been a bad day. € catorman says, I don't quite understand this one. catlady_de_venezia says, EVen if the bad guys are totallyh conscious hypocrities in claiming that they are religious when really they are only trying to make money in the stock markbe by selling short on stocks that they know they are going to bomb soon, € michelleapostolides says, I know I've missed what brought the conversation to this point. But I do know one thing. € michelleapostolides says, If we fall out with each other, it will be a sad day. HP is about sticking together. catlady_de_venezia says, using religion as a fake excuse would work only if the people they were deceiving were willing to believe them catorman leaves catorman enters € catorman says, Michelle - what did you just say? € michelleapostolides says, If we fall out with each other, it will be a sad day. HP is about sticking together. € catorman says, I know. synaesthete7 says, Well said, Michelle. € michelleapostolides says, And i'll go on saying that until I'm blue in the face because i believe in it. sineadsiobhan says, it's just been a hard month catlady_de_venezia says, I can believe that Stalin was insane enough to believe that his econnomic plans would succeed not cause terrible famine simon_fictionalley leaves alyeskakc says, Yes it has and I think everyone is a little more on edge than maybe they would normally be. € michelleapostolides says, I din't mean to leave, my CPU crashed. € michelleapostolides says, When I think back to when the Gulf was happening, we didn't have the net as we know it now. catlady_de_venezia says, but I find mysef unable to blieve that he thought that sending all those people to Siberia for saying a careless word was for the sake of the common working people's socialism synaesthete7 says, The irreligious dictator/oppressor is a 20th century phenomenon, I don't really know of any precedents -- in earlier ages tyrants generally declared themselves gods rather than asserting there was no god, but it amounted to the same thing really. catlady_de_venezia says, I can't but believe that he knew he was only trying to preserve his own personal power € michelleapostolides says, There was no way of finding out views of other people in different countries. synaesthete7 says, Antiochus Epiphanes and all that. lupinesque says, interesting, Rebecca € pengolodh_sc says, Was not Oliver Cromwell a form of dictator? lupinesque says, maybe the openly irreligious anybody powerful is a new phenomenon dai_evans says, Not Cromwell synaesthete7 says, But he wasn't atheistic. alyeskakc says, But that's what it's almost always about, Personal Power. € michelleapostolides says, That's why I think it's so important to keep talking to those we know in different countries. dai_evans says, he wasn't a fscist lupinesque says, Cromwell was very religious dai_evans says, he set up a parliament synaesthete7 says, Warts and all. dai_evans says, he was a democrat if anything synaesthete7 actually thought Cromwell was kinda cool in some ways lupinesque says, I had a Christian History prof who said Cromwell was fascinating because he always thought the one on God's side would win synaesthete7 says, But maybe that's just from seeing the movie with Richard Harris. lupinesque says, so when it was Christian v. Christian he was in agony dai_evans says, everyone though that back then. synaesthete7 says, Oh, gosh, no, he should have known better from the book of Ezekiel at least. dai_evans says, Trial by combat lupinesque says, he really didn't know who would come out on top € pengolodh_sc says, Yes, but as I recall, the power lying with Cromwell was very great - it wasn't without reason that Britain reverted to monarchy after hsi death, was it? catlady_de_venezia says, Cromwell was a dictator dai_evans says, His death? lupinesque says, trial by combat, exactly, Dai synaesthete7 says, Kind of the Mad-Eye Moody of political figures. catlady_de_venezia says, his was very religious lupinesque says, stupid--it's as much as saying might makes right stacey_aka_phatgirl says, I'll be back later, folks. stacey_aka_phatgirl leaves dai_evans says, He was not a dictator lupinesque says, LOL at rebecca dai_evans says, he ruled through parliament alyeskakc says, Ideas, religions, whatever it is, can be used to try and manipulate and control people into believing a cause so that the tyrant can amass Personal Power. synaesthete7 says, http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj/img/alastor3.jpg € pengolodh_sc says, Did he not die from (relatively) natural causes then? I must be mixing up historical figures in my head then. dai_evans says, he was fighting against Charles Ists ideas on rule by devine right synaesthete7 says, "You shall be as gods..." Hmm, where have I heard that before? catlady_de_venezia says, and the Soviet leaders ruled through the Supreme Soviet, and Suharto ruled throught the Pople's Consultative Assembly € michelleapostolides says, I like that picture. lupinesque says, now I have to go read a history of Oliver Wood, I mean Cromwell bak_42 enters synaesthete7 beams synaesthete7 says, LOL, Amy! alyeskakc says, Hee Hee synaesthete7 says, You know you've been reading too much HP when... dai_evans says, But Cromwell was fighting against the fascism of Charles I alyeskakc says, World Domination through Quidditch catlady_de_venezia says, Cromsell died of n atural causes and thought was given to appoitingn his son as Lord Protector in his place, but the dai_evans says, he was not a fascist lupinesque says, Just because he defeated a dictator doens't mean he wasn't one, Dai dai_evans says, he was not a dictator catlady_de_venezia says, son was found to be altogether too incompetent dai_evans says, but he wasn't one lupinesque says, just pointing out a logical fallacy--I don't know beans about Cromwell synaesthete7 says, "Beat Back Those Bludgers, Boys, and Throw That Quaffle Here" sounds like a WWII army song to me. catlady_de_venezia says, so they recalled Charles II catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Brandon sineadsiobhan says, I don't like Cromwell dai_evans says, he set up a democratic pariament lupinesque says, definitely, Rebecca … bak_42 says, hello sineadsiobhan says, he tortured the Irish synaesthete7 says, Yes, and the movie is great. Or at least I thought so. catlady_de_venezia says, a hand-picked Parliament € michelleapostolides says, Don't know enough about cromwell to comment. dai_evans says, hand-picket the anti monarchists, sure catlady_de_venezia says, Cromewell didn't torture the Irish, he was the only British ruler who didn't dai_evans says, *picked synaesthete7 says, Me neither, really, and I shouldn't get my history from movies. I mean, LADY JANE is a great movie, but terrible history... € shaysmail says, i'm back synaesthete7 says, And we won't get started on BRAVEHEART... alyeskakc says, "We Won't Quit Until The Golden Snith is Ours" synaesthete7 says, LOL! alyeskakc says, Snitch* sineadsiobhan says, Looking at the web now on Cromwell lupinesque says, I always feel like I should read history and then I don't catlady_de_venezia says, good for, Sinead, research lupinesque says, there's a bio of John Adams that looks good though € michelleapostolides says, Sinead, can you post the link please ? lupinesque says, anyone know a good bio of Cromwell, I'll add it to the list synaesthete7 says, My husband is downstairs watching Newsworld. I wonder if they got a better translation of Osama bin Laden's speech? The translator they had on CBC was doing it on the fly and it made NO sense. € michelleapostolides says, I never did Cromwell. dai_evans says, I did bak_42 gripes at the world in your best impersonation of Hazel. € michelleapostolides says, You're clever then. lupinesque says, with someone who liked him, apparently, Dai! dai_evans says, long time ago, admitedly sineadsiobhan says, http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/terrorist/response1.html one history bit catorman is away (Auto-Away) dai_evans says, you're wrong to label him a dictator though dai_evans says, when he was fighting against that catlady_de_venezia says, Jeffrey Nunberg said on FRESH AIR Fridaya tht the first use of the word 'terrorist' was 1795, Edmund Burke, of the French Revolution's Reign of Terror sineadsiobhan says, I'm not of the IRA nor the Orange Order, I just read things alyeskakc says, I need to take of for a bit. I may be back later if I get the chance. lupinesque says, thank you fo rthat bit of terrorism trivia, Rita synaesthete7 says, It is true that Cromwell did not want personal power, and even fought against it. lupinesque says, Now Burke is someone I could never stand lupinesque says, reactionary twit synaesthete7 says, The last thing he wanted was to be made King or the equivalent of a king... alyeskakc says, Schnoogles to all. See ya later. lupinesque says, schnoogles, Kristin! € michelleapostolides says, Bye … bak_42 says, bye alyeskakc leaves lupinesque says, I'd better run along meself € michelleapostolides says, See you later catlady_de_venezia says, by by Amy … bak_42 says, bye lupinesque says, bye! lupinesque leaves synaesthete7 says, Oh, boo hoo, I turn away for a minute and off she goes. sineadsiobhan says, I'm not religious either because of how the Protestants and the Catholics are being bloody idiots about religion. synaesthete7 says, They go, rather. *waves futilely* potterlovingash leaves dai_evans says, I'm gonna take off now dai_evans says, catch y'all next time sineadsiobhan says, Me too € michelleapostolides says, Ok. See you. synaesthete7 says, Gosh, was it something I said? sineadsiobhan says, bye bye all! dai_evans says, yes, it dai_evans says, was synaesthete7 sticks out tongue at Dai dai_evans is joking synaesthete7 says, See if I ever stick up for Cromwell again! sineadsiobhan smacks Dai on the way of the door synaesthete7 says, I know, Dai. dai_evans says, bye dai_evans leaves synaesthete7 says, Bye! pengolodh_sc is away (Auto-Away) sineadsiobhan leaves … bak_42 says, bye € michelleapostolides says, What is it tonigght ? synaesthete7 says, So! Now we can plot to take over the world. synaesthete7 says, Erm, sorry, don't know what came over me there. catlady_de_venezia says, Crowmell is to offensive a subject synaesthete7 says, LOL! Is there anything that isn't? € michelleapostolides says, Cromwell is history. synaesthete7 sings "History Never Repeats" and then looks around, futilely, for Heidi synaesthete7 says, Hmmm... nice uncontroversial topic. Let me think... € michelleapostolides says, Why do we have to make it so hard for ourselves to get along ? synaesthete7 says, Sigh. *** User HP:1 isn't online right now. € shaysmail says, ooohhh, i have a topic synaesthete7 says, Go for it! € shaysmail says, pick me, pick me … bak_42 says, what is it synaesthete7 says, I pick.... you! € shaysmail says, has anyone seen the hp lego sets? € michelleapostolides says, Ok, what is it ? € michelleapostolides says, No. synaesthete7 says, Is Snape a vampire? € shaysmail says, i first saw them on ebay and now i've seen commercials on tv for them selah_1977 enters … bak_42 says, I saw the end of a commercial for them. synaesthete7 says, I've seen the Snape lego, in which he looks mighty sickly. catorman leaves catorman enters synaesthete7 says, Ebony! *hugs* € shaysmail says, perfect selah_1977 says, Back! selah_1977 says, I hear we're on Legos now... cool! € catorman says, I saw the lego in the legos's shop in Bluewater - was not impressed, I have to say. catorman is back. synaesthete7 says, Oliver Cromwell: dictator or democrat? you missed that one. ;D selah_1977 says, *schnoogles everyone* € catorman says, Both. catlady_de_venezia says, wb Eb € shaysmail says, i saw the hogwarts set i thought it was great synaesthete7 says, How about Ugly Warty Guy? selah_1977 says, Aww, Rebecca.... sorry I did! *snaps fingers* € catorman says, Benign despot??????? synaesthete7 says, I think we can all agree on that. selah_1977 says, Which one should I get? € michelleapostolides says, Why did people go ? selah_1977 says, Lego sets, I mean? selah_1977 says, The Hogwarts one?" synaesthete7 says, I think it really was just a case of people having to go coincidentally all at once. € shaysmail says, the hogwarts set is expensive € catorman says, How did OC come up - Richard Harris? € michelleapostolides says, I missed waht bought things to a head..... synaesthete7 says, I mean, Cromwell is not really that controversial! catlady_de_venezia says, no, bia religion € catorman says, Oh, just a coincidence then. synaesthete7 says, Yeah, but we were over that by the time five people left at once. So yeah, coincidence. € shaysmail says, lots of ragging on falwell, which i enjoyed selah_1977 says, Oh, dear. synaesthete7 says, There was? Missed that part. synaesthete7 says, It must have been before I came. Never mind. Didn't miss anything. catlady_de_venezia says, No, Eb was here during Falwell, she didn;t miss selah_1977 says, Yes, you did, Rebecca. € catorman says, No - I mean Richard Harris playing Cromwell in the film. synaesthete7 says, Just read the translation of Osama bin Laden's speech, what a wacko. But we knew that. Sigh. € shaysmail says, where is the translation? € michelleapostolides says, Do you have the URL ? synaesthete7 says, Yes, RICHard HArrIS! (Have you noticed he talks like that? All up and down. hope he doesn't do it as Dumbledore.) selah_1977 says, I saw it on TV. synaesthete7 says, Well, it was more of a condensation. I got it off Yahoo News. € catorman says, When he was much younger, of course. synaesthete7 says, Just general ranting about the US being supporters of the Evil Zionist Entity and how they must suffer. € catorman says, I hate Richard Harris' voice. Very hoarse - makes me want to clear my throat all the time. still the same in HP. selah_1977 says, He's not my idea of Dumbledore. € shaysmail says, has anyone seen a REAL website where you can send e-mails to the troops to show them support? synaesthete7 says, Drat. selah_1977 says, Why not Sean Connery? synaesthete7 says, Yeah, I have to say, not a Harris fan really. synaesthete7 says, Nah, Sean is Moody. selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, You're right, of course! € shaysmail says, and a self-proclaimed spouse abuser selah_1977 says, PERFECT casting pick... € michelleapostolides says, No James Cosmo is Moody ! selah_1977 says, Really, Shay??? selah_1977 says, I've long admired his work. Shame. € catorman says, Oh, brilliant. I never thought of Sean Connery. € shaysmail says, yep. unfortunately i saw it in an interview with him and now i can't watch any of his movies. too bad, i used to like him catlady_de_venezia says, Shay, who, Harris or connery? € shaysmail says, connery selah_1977 says, What a bad deal. I found ount in one of these chats that OSC bashed gays. selah_1977 says, Made me feel bad too. € michelleapostolides says, I like the idea of alan Cumming as Lockhart. selah_1977 says, OSC--Orson Scott Card. € shaysmail says, who is that? € shaysmail says, osc selah_1977 says, Pity when talented people make horrible decisions. € catorman says, yes - Cassie said something about that. I have to say that I can pick it up in his books, now I know about it (OSC, Eb) € shaysmail says, on a completely unrelated topic, did anyone watch the season premiere of buffy? € michelleapostolides says, Much better than Hugh Grant € catorman says, No, and don't say anything about it - it 's not here yet! € michelleapostolides says, Thank you Catherine. € shaysmail says, can i say that i liked it? € michelleapostolides says, Yes. But no more € shaysmail says, ok, i liked it € shaysmail says, when will you get it? selah_1977 says, I don't watch Buffy... so I always feel like I'm missing out on something. € catorman says, Actually, within the next couple of weeks, I hope. I know some of the stuff, but not much. € shaysmail says, i just starting watching a few months ago and got sucked in very quickly € catorman says, I love Buffy - one of the few things I try really hard not to miss. selah_1977 says, That good, eh? selah_1977 says, I've always been surprised at the following. What's the draw? € catorman says, Brilliant. But you need to watch it from the start. € shaysmail says, i watched angel for the first time last week, liked it too selah_1977 says, I saw the movie. catlady_de_venezia says, TheTV show is not like the movie € shaysmail says, eb, do you get the fx channel? selah_1977 says, A long, long time ago... is it anything like the show? selah_1977 says, Yes, I do. € shaysmail says, it is on every night at 7 … bak_42 says, I just started watching Buffy when I couldn't find anything else on tv to watch € shaysmail says, eastern selah_1977 says, Must say that I thought the movie was stupid so I never got into the TV show. € catorman says, I don't know what the draw is, but it's very well scripted -very tongue in cheek, but can get very serious and emotional as well. - very imaginative. catlady_de_venezia says, Joss Weedon agreed to make the TV show only on condition that he could make it serious selah_1977 says, Oh, that sounds good. € shaysmail says, i like the banter between the characters selah_1977 says, EVERYONE does! € shaysmail says, much to my boyfriend's dismay, he is starting to watch it now too. € catorman says, The movie was awful! I saw it for the first time a few weeks ago and couldn't believe how bad it was. € catorman says, it felt like a pilot. selah_1977 says, One of my professors last term is a Buffy/Angel nut and made us dice up an Angel ep in a grad seminar. synaesthete7 says, I actually found the movie amusing in a totally stupid way. selah_1977 says, Yes, Catherine--that's why I never wanted to watch the show. € michelleapostolides says, I like Willow and Tara not being a big thing € shaysmail says, i actually liked the movie € catorman says, What did you think of it? selah_1977 says, I loved the Angel episode! selah_1977 says, Brilliant! synaesthete7 says, BTW, in that Harry in the window pic, doesn't Hedwig look stuffed? € catorman says, I have to say that I can't stand Tara. Don't know why. € shaysmail says, willow is my favorite € catorman says, Yes, Rebecca - I thought that as well. € catorman says, My favourite is Spike. selah_1977 says, It was a course in the cultural and spatial politics of blackness... the one in which Angel helps a mulatto girl who's passing for white. Thought it brave that sci-fi/fantasy tacked sensitive racial issues. € catorman says, I remember that episode. € michelleapostolides says, Tara is a wimp selah_1977 says, Our professor knows Joss... says he minored in cultural studies. € shaysmail says, i like anya too € shaysmail says, i heard somewhere that giles is leaving after this season. true? € catorman says, Really? did he say anything else. € catorman says, Yes - he's doing a spin off called "Ripper" € catorman says, Set in the UK € catorman says, ie. Giles comes home! € shaysmail says, that's too bad. he's perfect for the role selah_1977 says, That's what the frustrating thing about Card is... I've rarely read a white author in any genre who can write a minority perspective so very well, and yet he is insensitive to gays. Weird--usually the tolerant are tolerant across the board. selah_1977 says, OK--give me a Buffy primer. € catorman says, Well, the role will go with him. selah_1977 says, I want into the conversation. selah_1977 says, Tell me who the main characters are, and what their deal is. € shaysmail says, i saw the one last week with the computer teacher who was into witchcraft. i liked her selah_1977 says, And then I want a season-by-season synopsis. € shaysmail says, holy cow eb € catorman says, But that was about 2 seasons ago! selah_1977 says, synaesthete7 says, Oh, Harry's bedroom, that picture is so sad (gets misty-eyed) € shaysmail says, yeah, the beauty of watching old episodes on fx € catorman says, Eb - come over here for a long weekend - I have the first two seasons on DVD. selah_1977 says, Oh, cool, Catherine! selah_1977 says, But must I wait until 2003? ;-) € catorman says, I can give you a website where you can get the synopsis as well! selah_1977 says, Okay, that'll be fine... € michelleapostolides says, My goodness, I didn't know you were that keen Catherine ! € catorman says, No! Please come back before then! catlady_de_venezia says, Eb, Card has said his opinion on gays comes from his religion (sorry for mentioning the forbidden subject) € michelleapostolides says, Ebs, please come back soon ! selah_1977 says, LOL, Rita! Please. selah_1977 says, It's not a forbidden subject at all. € shaysmail says, did you all hear about jay leno auctioning off his motorcycle on ebay? synaesthete7 says, It's like the Forbidden Forest... the unwary venturer therein will be messily devoured. catlady_de_venezia says, How is Weedon's name spelled? € catorman says, Whedon € michelleapostolides says, Wheedon selah_1977 says, Card's a Mormon, right? € catorman says, Shall I check the credits? € catorman says, Hang on.... catlady_de_venezia says, Yes, a Mormon selah_1977 says, I actually enjoy talking about religion and do it often. Just not online or in HP fandom. synaesthete7 says, Whedon. selah_1977 says, With people who don't believe the same stuff I do. € michelleapostolides says, I don't go to church but I do believe in God. synaesthete7 has seen about three episodes of Buffy selah_1977 says, It's just that I've found most online forums focusing on race and religion to be relatively messy! synaesthete7 says, Just enough to make me a Buffy/Giles shipper, but simultaneously to convince me that I couldn't keep watching it. catlady_de_venezia says, Yes, but I hadn;t realized that Oliver Cromwell would be suhject a controversial selah_1977 says, So I avoid those, my favorite two RL discussion topics, like the plague online! selah_1977 says, LOL, Rita! € michelleapostolides says, I don't get how adults who like somethingabout sticking together can fall out so easily. selah_1977 says, It's more of a buildup thing for me, Michelle. selah_1977 says, Which could, as my friends point out, be prevented by me. € catorman says, OL. according to my DVD, it's Whedon € michelleapostolides says, i know fadom does not an instant friendship make... selah_1977 says, My friends think my writing and my fan interests are horrible. € michelleapostolides says, I have the wounds. selah_1977 says, They don't think that you can be friends with people of different worldviews. selah_1977 says, I know better. € michelleapostolides says, But this is a peaceful fandom. bak_42 is away (Auto-Away) € catorman says, No, I'm a Buffy/Spike shipper (although this has to be secondary to Buffy/Angel) selah_1977 says, Michelle--it is, isn't it? catlady_de_venezia says, FRESH AIR interview with Whedon (thatnsk for spelling!) is http://search.npr.org/freshair/dayFA.cfm?display=day&todayDate=05%2F09%2F2000 selah_1977 says, NOTHING like some others I've seen. € michelleapostolides says, Sometimes. Everyone is very tetchy of late. selah_1977 says, We have our moments, but it's not been bad. selah_1977 says, I think it's been a tetchy fall. selah_1977 says, People have been weird in my RL, too. € michelleapostolides says, It's been a tough few weeks with one3 thing and another. selah_1977 says, Or it could just be me. selah_1977 says, selah_1977 says, I think I'm in persecution-complex mode. bak_42 boreds. synaesthete7 says, Let's all just hold hands and sway. selah_1977 says, Because of something I dealt with at work last week. selah_1977 says, LOL, Rebecca. € michelleapostolides says, Oh ? selah_1977 says, If you're bored, suggest a new topic. catlady_de_venezia says, vent about work? € catorman says, Opinions, feelings, emotions have been running high - perfectly natural- although it does mean that there is more room for misunderstanding and controversy selah_1977 says, Yeah. Apparently a group of students went and complained about me. € michelleapostolides says, I think we need each other more than ever. € michelleapostolides says, What ? € catorman says, What? Why? selah_1977 says, Various and inconsistent complaints. selah_1977 says, I wasn't giving enough work. selah_1977 says, I was giving too much. € catorman says, Nothing specific? € michelleapostolides says, ( catherine you and I are going to dfo that in RL one day ! ) selah_1977 says, Some said one thing, some said another. selah_1977 says, Sigh. selah_1977 says, It's a first in my teaching career. selah_1977 says, So I've not been the happiest camper over the past 3-5 days. € michelleapostolides says, Are you teaching honours ? selah_1977 says, Advanced Placement. Which is worse. catlady_de_venezia says, I suppose? the administration noticed that the complaints are inconsistent? selah_1977 says, LOL! € michelleapostolides says, Are the students very motivated ? selah_1977 says, Rita--they actually complained to other teachers. They didn't even go to the department head. selah_1977 says, Michelle--some are, some aren't. Some even play football and miss class every Friday. selah_1977 says, Hello? € michelleapostolides says, Perhaps those that wanted more work needed it as a way of coping. selah_1977 says, Michelle--I know that the attacks are when I got off track. selah_1977 says, I'm just not getting back to full steam ahead with them. selah_1977 says, All that week during I was in a daze. I didn't feel like teaching. selah_1977 says, New topic! synaesthete7 says, Ebony, my brother went through a very terrible time early in his teaching career where he was horribly persecuted, not by the students but by fellow teachers... it left him shaken for months. € michelleapostolides says, I can't imagine the system not taking that week into account. selah_1977 says, Wow, Rebecca--I guess I ought to be thankful that the teachers were actually supportive of me! synaesthete7 says, And it was all because he had a student who had written a history essay in which he talked about Germany under Hitler and made the perfectly factually correct statement that Hitler's economic policies did benefit Germany... selah_1977 says, And it was just a small contingent of students. € catorman says, I'm not surprised. I was very glad I didn't have to go out to work that week, because I couldn't think about anything apart from what had happened. selah_1977 says, WHAT? selah_1977 says, Wow... synaesthete7 says, This was taken as a support of Naziism and Steve giving the boy a good grade on the essay was presented as Steve being a Nazi sympathizer. selah_1977 says, Oh no, Rebecca! synaesthete7 says, Fortunately he had one close friend who was a Jewish teacher and she really stuck up for him... € michelleapostolides says, I didn't dare try to explain how close all this has bought us here last night. synaesthete7 says, But you should have heard the ridiculous, fabricated accusations -- such as that he wore a brown shirt to school -- Steve doesn't even OWN a brown shirt! selah_1977 says, That's so silly... I'm sorry that happened. € michelleapostolides says, Why are some people so narrow minded ? synaesthete7 says, Well, it was fifteen years ago now, he's gone on to be an award-winning teacher in another school. But it was very painful at the time. selah_1977 says, I teach two girls whose uncles and cousins are in Hamas. But they are the nicest, sweetest, most liberal kids you'll ever meet. catlady_de_venezia says, Rebecca: well, did they have some other reason to hate him and just use that as an excuse, or did they think that being pro-Hitler is so terrible a crime that even INNOCENCE is no defense? synaesthete7 says, Rita: it was actually religious persecution. selah_1977 says, But I am still careful. samanthak223 enters catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Mantha samanthak223 says, 'lo synaesthete7 says, Some of the other teachers hated him for being a Christian, even though he never preached at them. selah_1977 says, It's hard teaching. I am strongly considering law school. € catorman says, Hamas, Eb? What is that? € michelleapostolides says, 'Lo € michelleapostolides says, It'sw a religious group synaesthete7 says, Steve is taking graduate studies so he can teach at the university level... he feels he's done enough high school -- he loves the kids but hates the bureaucracy. selah_1977 says, It's one of the Palestinian groups. selah_1977 says, They are Palestinian immigrants. € catorman says, Eb - you know what I think about teaching - and why I'm doing law - so I wouldn't blame you! catlady_de_venezia says, It sponsors both soup kitchens and suicide bombers bak_42 is back. … bak_42 says, great combo € catorman says, What, Hama? catlady_de_venezia says, Hamas, yes samanthak223 says, but teaching, making all the kids smarter. very noble selah_1977 says, Talk about six degrees of separation. synaesthete7 says, Oh, my, I'm looking at the design of Hogwarts. I had no idea it was so... surrounded by cliffs. I knew there were cliffs on one side, but... Saitaina enters selah_1977 says, I couldn't believe I know someone who's related to people in a terror organization. catlady_de_venezia says, wb Saitaina simon_fictionalley enters selah_1977 says, So you never know... poor girls. Saitaina says, Hullo again lovesq samanthak223 says, aw crap. I g2g. I hate being busy € michelleapostolides says, Hello again saitana samanthak223 says, bye guys. schnoogles catlady_de_venezia says, Rebecca, I'm not sure that the picture of Hogwarts Y encuronss is accurate. the movie is not canon. this is another controversial topic. … bak_42 says, bye samanthak223 leaves synaesthete7 says, Well, Rita, they talked to JKR so much, though, I can't imagine very much in the movie will be completely off. selah_1977 says, Their dad is afraid to let them participate in the October 23 affirmative action marches in Cincinnati... they are liberal bleeding hearts but dad is afraid of his relatives' reprisal and keeps them close. catlady_de_venezia says, *& environs synaesthete7 says, I mean, they asked her where everything was... synaesthete7 says, ...and what it looked like... € michelleapostolides says, I* love Diagon alley € catorman says, On stuff I think they'll miss out - how about the zoo? catlady_de_venezia says, the uniforms are wrong. In the four books so far, the school uniform is black robes and pointy hats (like the French book cover in HP Around the World we b sites) ont blazers and trosuers with OPEN robews over them synaesthete7 says, Of course, that is kind of odd that the Whomping Willow appears to be in the middle of the Quidditch pitch. synaesthete7 says, Catherine: the zoo is in. € catorman says, do you know that for sure, Rebecca? € michelleapostolides says, Who will miss out on the zoo ? € catorman says, I don't think the uniforms are right, either. € catorman says, The film catlady_de_venezia says, if she changes the uniform to blazers and trousers in bOOK 5, that WOULD BE selling out,.... selah_1977 says, Did they use the London zoo? synaesthete7 says, Well, I've seen stills from that part of the movie, so yes. selah_1977 says, The uniforms are a shocker. Saitaina says, What's wrong with the robes? I think they look fine. synaesthete7 says, Really? I didn't think they were so bad. € catorman says, Oh. I haven't seen anything from that at all. selah_1977 says, Shockingly good, I mean! selah_1977 says, I like them. synaesthete7 says, Yeah, there's a picture of Harry sitting on the ground with the boa constrictor slithering over his legs. synaesthete7 says, Oh, good. Cool. selah_1977 says, They seem so much more British than I thought. selah_1977 says, And the Quidditch uniforms! selah_1977 says, I LOVE those! € catorman says, Oh - where was that? HPGalleries or somewhere? Saitaina says, *giggles* well love, it helps they ARE British catlady_de_venezia says, they may look fine --- they may look much better on screen than an ocean of black cloth with a few faces scattered abut, but they are NOT from the book € catorman says, I agree, Rita. selah_1977 says, But still-- synaesthete7 says, Oh! *gets misty-eyed again* I love the quote about Ron. "Kind and thoughtful and slightly insecure..." selah_1977 says, They're better visually! Saitaina says, All they've ever said in the books was that they were robes and hats...does it mater they've added little ties and scarfs? synaesthete7 says, I LOVE the Quidditch uniforms. Very cool. Much better than I pictured them. selah_1977 says, And they had to make changes... catlady_de_venezia says, Better visually, not accurate. I don;t mind them being in the movie, I just insist that they aren;t canon € michelleapostolides says, I will always love Ron. synaesthete7 says, I didn't think about padding, I just thought they'd be different coloured robes. selah_1977 says, Me too, Rebecca! selah_1977 says, Better than I could have ever imagined. € catorman says, Michelle, how can you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! selah_1977 says, I love Ron too. synaesthete7 sings "I Will Always Love You" selah_1977 says, In spots. selah_1977 says, :-D synaesthete7 says, Freckles, Eb? selah_1977 says, Yeah, I think so. Saitaina says, I rather hate the Quiddich stuff but it reminds me of the old school padding you used to see dragged out for PE. € catorman says, Ebony, as well. I'm surprised at you! synaesthete7 says, The only Trio story I have been tempted to write is from Ron's POV. € michelleapostolides looks bemused catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, if the uniforms included ties, the Prefects and Head Boy would have Prefect and Head Boy ties instead of silver pins. JKR had to give Percy those silver pins because synaesthete7 says, But I have no plot, just a lot of Ron's innermost soul. € catorman says, Oh come on, you know I'm not Ron's greatest fan. selah_1977 says, I guess so, Rebecca, as you're a SugarQuiller. € michelleapostolides says, What is wrong with loving Ron ? selah_1977 says, Catherine--I'm not either. selah_1977 says, I was being facetious. synaesthete7 says, Am I? selah_1977 says, I love him because the other two do. selah_1977 says, Well, maybe not... catlady_de_venezia says, he didn't have the right kind of collar to wear a tie selah_1977 says, But you do archive there! € catorman says, Nothing, Michelle. I just don't like him particularly, beyond CoS. synaesthete7 says, I don't really know anybody there like I know the HP4GU folks. € michelleapostolides says, You don't have to approve of everything someone does to love them. synaesthete7 says, I was asked to, Eb. They collect Snapefics. selah_1977 says, Cool cool! catlady_de_venezia This chat will be saved and posted on theYahoo Group : catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/ selah_1977 says, *schnoogles Rebecca* € catorman says, Well, yes. I just hope that he'll get better, and justify the way Harry and Hermione feel about him. Saitaina says, I don't think they would have diffrent ties. when I went to school we had school dies and the older kids with special honors still wore they're pins instead of a special tie. The Uni was not messed with, just the ordements when we recived a special honor. selah_1977 says, Right--I try to see Ron as Harry and Hermione do. synaesthete7 says, But those ankles sticking out pathetically below his pajamas, in the scene where Harry wouldn't forgive him, just totally said "Ron is OK" to me. synaesthete7 says, Actually it said, "Hug Ron and weep," but I restrained myself. synaesthete7 says, catlady_de_venezia says, Saitaina, was you r school in UK or US? € michelleapostolides says, Just because you're friends with a persecuted trainee wizard doesn't make you immune to Jealousy selah_1977 says, Yeah, Rebecca... I felt bad for Ron there. selah_1977 says, But still irritated by him! selah_1977 says, I was totally wrapped up in the Harry/Sirius conversation... selah_1977 says, And Ron interrupted it! synaesthete7 says, But he tried to apologize. Harry wouldn't let him. To me, that says Ron is no worse than Harry. And he didn't KNOW he was interrupting and he didn't mean to, so how can one blame him for that? selah_1977 says, I know, I know... Saitaina says, US. But I still don't see why they would change it across the ocean. A batch is easier to see from a distance then a tie colour. If your in need of help and looking for a prefect you want a nice shiny badge you can spot a hall a way then stairing at everyone's chest looking for that one diffrent tie selah_1977 says, It's just that Ron irritated me in GoF. Saitaina says, badge not patch selah_1977 says, A lot. selah_1977 says, A lot a lot. € catorman says, Well, that scene was just written to make everyone feel sorry for Ron. And I did - but at the end of the day (football cliche, sorry), Harry is the one who has the most to cope with - he will always have my sympathies above anyone else (except Hermione). synaesthete7 says, But, I don't get any sparks from Ron and Hermione, so I would not call myself an R/H shipper any more than I am an H/H shipper. selah_1977 says, Really??? synaesthete7 says, It's true that Ron does not realize how much he has to be thankful for. But that is so typical of adolescence. selah_1977 says, You know, if JKR wrote it right... selah_1977 says, Perhaps... synaesthete7 says, True, Eb. It really doesn't interest or thrill me to read R/H. € catorman says, Rebecca - surely you mean no better than Harry not, no worse? catlady_de_venezia says, WAKE UP SIMON AND TELL US WHETHER Prefects have ties or pins on your side of the Atlantic synaesthete7 says, Oops, yes. selah_1977 says, LOL, Rita! pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters € michelleapostolides says, MWAK MWAK!!! Saitaina says, *giggles* synaesthete7 says, No, wait, that's not right! synaesthete7 says, I meant no worse. simon_fictionalley says, either selah_1977 says, Hello, Christian! € michelleapostolides says, Depends on the school simon_fictionalley says, or both € catorman says, I can tell you that - in HP or in RL? simon_fictionalley says, depends on the school € catorman says, In my school we had both. simon_fictionalley says, some also have special blazers for prefects bak_42 is away (Auto-Away) selah_1977 says, Simon do you miss Oxford? Saitaina says, Oh, and a completly un-related note-do you know how much hell it is trying to find your little honors badges when you're late for school...I once showed up with my third form badge instead of sixth and had to yell at my own sixth formers while they laughed at me. simon_fictionalley says, Canford has blazers and ties € michelleapostolides says, Prefects had jumpers at my first school and gowns in the second selah_1977 says, Is anyone else reading the Times article? € catorman says, Where's Sheryll tonight? simon_fictionalley says, yes, but more so the living so closely with friends I have now not seen in ages € michelleapostolides says, At Thanksgiving synaesthete7 says, Well, I'm still reading it... € catorman says, Is she still working evenings? selah_1977 says, I didn't know they had to use special film while shooting! synaesthete7 says, Oh, happy Canadian Thanksgiving, everybody. selah_1977 says, Because the British kids were so pale... selah_1977 says, Happy Thanksgiving, Rebecca! € catorman says, yes - because all the English kids are too white! selah_1977 says, LOL! € catorman says, They're used to children having tans. € michelleapostolides says, I'm enjoying the article now. catlady_de_venezia says, that's because of the cloudy weather synaesthete7 says, Dumbledore is a clothes horse? Interesting... € catorman says, I found that interesting. selah_1977 says, I didn't notice that people were any whiter over there, though! Saitaina says, why didn't they just slather them with taning lotion and be done with it? selah_1977 says, LOL, Sait! € catorman says, Yes - and Snape - how they ironed his clothes to make in shiny! selah_1977 says, They said little kids don't deal with makeup well. € catorman says, Saitana, that just would not be realistically British - we're pale and interesting here, you know! selah_1977 says, LOL! synaesthete7 says, Oh, my word, I can't believe they did THAT much work on Hagrid's moleskin coat... Saitaina says, Buy a crate of coppertone and get a discount...coulda worked, course then Draco may have been nicely brown and THEN we would be bitching worse selah_1977 says, But really, Catherine, you guys don't seem all that fantastically pale. catorman leaves catorman enters Saitaina says, Pale and intresting...sounds like a vampire selah_1977 says, The way the article made it sound, you'd think it was a nation of... pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters selah_1977 says, EXACTLY, Sait. synaesthete7 says, I am fantastically pale... it's my British heritage. My husband turns a nice brown in the summer and I remain fish-belly white Saitaina says, Must go to England now...lots of pale people running around catlady_de_venezia says, isnt moleskin the name of a fab ric, not the actual skin o fmoles,like peachskin? selah_1977 says, That was a conversation I recently had... catlady_de_venezia says, not the actual skin o fpeaches? selah_1977 says, CAN any Brits tan? € michelleapostolides says, I do. selah_1977 says, Okay, thanks. catlady_de_venezia says, presumably SOME can tan, the racial mixing has been going on tor thousands of yaers selah_1977 says, Had this conversation recently re: PL. selah_1977 says, As most of that fic will be in Brazil. € michelleapostolides says, But then I am not pure Brit. simon_fictionalley says, my dad does and he is Brit simon_fictionalley says, I, however, go lobster red selah_1977 says, So what happens in the sun if you don't tan? selah_1977 says, OUCH! selah_1977 says, Ooh, that's going to be so much fun! catlady_de_venezia says, red € michelleapostolides squeals lodly the_phantom_schnoogler enters selah_1977 says, The Trio will be lobster red for like six months!!! € catorman says, I don't tan. I go a very, very light golden brown colour after weeks and weeks of sun - I can go on a sunbed for less than 5 minutes and burn. € michelleapostolides says, loudly € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Good evening there € michelleapostolides says, I love the picture of Harry at the window. catlady_de_venezia says, think of stereotype Aussie, very ruddy skin, comes from long sun exporusre not from drink despite how it looks\ selah_1977 says, Hello... Saitaina says, Harry...bright red...oh dear € michelleapostolides says, Hello Bro. simon_fictionalley says, I go red and then a few days later back to pale white again selah_1977 says, LOL! simon_fictionalley says, schnoogles TPS catlady_de_venezia schnoogles phantom schnoogleee selah_1977 says, Well, what else will happen after zillions of hours of sun exposure. selah_1977 says, Sheesh, I feel sorry for them. € catorman says, I wear the highest factor I can, so as to avoid burning, and may, if I'm lucky, get some colour by the end of the summer/holiday. catlady_de_venezia says, permanent red color selah_1977 says, LOL, Rita! catlady_de_venezia says, for Ron, anyway, with that red hair selah_1977 says, *imagines Ron red all over!* synaesthete7 says, Simon: Me too. simon_fictionalley says, exciting as this is I need to sleep catlady_de_venezia says, by by Dear Simon € michelleapostolides says, Night Dr B catlady_de_venezia says, I believe Hermione will tan nicely bak_42 is back. … bak_42 says, bye selah_1977 says, Bye-e, Cassie's hubby! simon_fictionalley says, schnoogle Rebecca, in a blatant misunderstanding of what she was on about simon_fictionalley says, see people around € catorman says, No, Daniel Radcliffe looks quite olive toned - he should tan quite well. On the other hand, his mother was a red head (erm, was she?) catlady_de_venezia says, Maybe Harry will stay white no matter how much sun he gets how long selah_1977 says, Rita--I've been told Hermione doesn't tan, but I can't bear to have her red all fic, so she'll get very very light golden. selah_1977 says, But Harry's pale too--he'd be red. selah_1977 says, And Dan's mom's not a redhead, is she? Saitaina says, Just don't make ron a Tomato selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, Oh, don't tempt me! synaesthete7 says, I was on about turning red and then white again, Simon, but schnoogles are welcome. € catorman says, Not necessarily - you can be pale skinned and still tan quite well. catlady_de_venezia says, I know some people (here in Los Angeles) who are very pale and stay pale despite beach summers. I think Harry might be like that, Plus they have magic € shaysmail says, i'm going to leave now. have a good week everyone selah_1977 says, Really? € michelleapostolides says, Night Shay € catorman says, Yep. catlady_de_venezia says, Who told you that Hermione doesn;t tan> selah_1977 says, Bye bye, Shay. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Bye Shay € catorman says, I'm just not one of them. shaysmail leaves Saitaina says, Red heads should NEVER go out in the sun unless fully covered, otherwise they might as well die their hair green and re-name themselves Cherry € catorman says, Bye Shay. selah_1977 says, Rita--a collaborator. selah_1977 says, Doesn't magic take care of some of that? € catorman says, LOL, Sait. € michelleapostolides says, A|l, do you still want me to mod Snitch! ? selah_1977 says, I mean, everyone tans, right? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Yes, I probably won't be around much selah_1977 says, Or burns... synaesthete7 says, Stop rubbing it in, Ebony. catlady_de_venezia says, in MY Pottervers, Hermione is light gold to start with and tans quite nicely, € catorman says, Could do - invent the potion/lotion! € michelleapostolides says, OK. Saitaina says, I don't. I go out in the sun and return with a new layre of skin selah_1977 says, LOL, Rebecca! I'm not! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Just popped in to say hi and that I do have a connection here, so will be able to do some FA coding, hopefully selah_1977 says, Right, Catherine... that's what I'm thinking. € catorman says, Al, that is one of your, isn't it? selah_1977 says, Hello, Al, so that's you. synaesthete7 says, I think Hermione is pasty white and burns like crazy. AND her hair will never become magically sleek and wavy and gorgeous as she grows older, because that just doesn't happen in RL. catorman leaves catorman enters selah_1977 says, Happened in GoF, though. selah_1977 says, *sticks Catherine down with Velcro!* skaprincess27 enters selah_1977 says, HEY, Sue! synaesthete7 says, But she used gobs of Sleekeazy's on it, that's different. I mean in some fics it happens automagically. catlady_de_venezia says, Al, what about 'submit;? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, brb € michelleapostolides says, Sue ! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, hmm? € catorman says, Thanks. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Sorry? € skaprincess27 says, Hi. € catorman says, See, it is Al. synaesthete7 says, If she spends hours sleeking her hair, she can have sleek hair. What I meant was, she can't just wake up at the age of eighteen suddenly with perfect hair. catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Sue € skaprincess27 says, hi selah_1977 says, Oh, not in mine, Rebecca! That's just wrong... the one time it's straight, I state very specifically that she'd wrestled with it for hours. synaesthete7 says, Submit, Al! *evil laughter* € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Have to dash out and come back on a different connection, see you in a mo synaesthete7 says, Oh, no, not yours, Ebony. € catorman says, I wish I could get hold of some of this sleek- easy lotion. synaesthete7 says, Me, too! selah_1977 says, LOL, Catherine! selah_1977 says, You have lovely hair! synaesthete7 says, Although it sounds like you still have to fuss. € michelleapostolides says, I like Hagrid's hut. € catorman says, It would make my life so much easier. synaesthete7 says, Hermione just needs to figure out that you shouldn't brush your hair after it's dry... selah_1977 says, LOL! € skaprincess27 says, how 'bout not touching it? € michelleapostolides says, Catherine you have good hair. selah_1977 says, I think her hair gets better as she grows older. € catorman says, Exactly!!!!!! catlady_de_venezia says, I believe there MUST be Charms or at least Potions tomake hair beautiful quickly Saitaina says, I rather like my bushy hair, the_phantom_schnoogler leaves selah_1977 says, Most adolescent girls go through horrible hair woes. € catorman says, If I brush mine when it is dry it creates a sphere of frizz - the 1970s afros have nothing on this! selah_1977 says, And then they learn how to live with their hair. € skaprincess27 says, *raises hand* € michelleapostolides says, I wish my hair looked as good as yours synaesthete7 says, But the nature of the hair doesn't actually change, you just learn how to control it. That I can see... selah_1977 says, Oh, you've got to be kidding, Catherine! LOL! selah_1977 is wearing her hair in an Afro right now the_phantom_schnoogler enters Saitaina says, Catherine-I know that look, it's sort of makes you wonder if static electricity has taken up residence in your head selah_1977 says, Right, Rebecca--you learn what works for you. € catorman says, Michelle - it is a curse. Next time I see you, I'll show you! It will make you laugh (only I have over half the weight cut out of it, so it doesn't go so bad) € skaprincess27 says, AFRO, Eb? € catorman says, You've got rid of your braids, Eb? selah_1977 says, Wow... wonder what it'd be like to have hair that doesn't grow vertically. selah_1977 says, Yes, goodness... months ago. € catorman says, Vertically - mine grows horizontally1 € catorman says, !, even. selah_1977 says, Vertically in the wrong direction--LOL, Cat! synaesthete7 says, I had shoulder-length hair once -- when I brushed it out it made me look like a floor lamp. So I feel your pain, Catherine. Saitaina says, Mine grows every which way. When I wake up I've been known to freak out small children and animals € catorman says, Oh up! € skaprincess27 says, Let's put it this way: this kind of uncontrollable hair runs in my family. My cousin's this white guy with a huge Afro puff. Guess what kind of hair I have. € catorman says, Mine just goes out. synaesthete7 says, I have discovered, however, that layers work. selah_1977 says, Should Hermione cut her hair? synaesthete7 says, Well, I have to go get ready for evening chapel... see you guys! *waves* € catorman says, My mother has very curly hair - my father has very coarse, thick hair - guess what combination I have?! selah_1977 says, Bye, Rebecca! … bak_42 says, bye selah_1977 says, All three, Cat? synaesthete7 says, Bye! synaesthete7 says, *Disapparates* synaesthete7 leaves catlady_de_venezia says, I Asked Jeeves: Moleskin and corduroy are rugged cotton fabrics long used in outdoor wear, as trousers, jackets, vests and selah_1977 says, But anyway... about Hermione not being pale... catlady_de_venezia says, shirts. In Britain, with the development of the cotton industry in Lancashire, these two fabrics were used € catorman says, NO!!!! Eb!. Yep. All three. If Hermione cut her hair it would be unmanageable. The longer it is, the easier it is to control, because the weight pulls the curl down, so it becomes less frizzy. € catorman says, I know this from experience!!!!!!! selah_1977 says, THANKS, Cat! heiditandy enters € heiditandy says, hi all, finally catlady_de_venezia says, particularly in trousers for farmers and laborers, as the trousers were durable, washable, and gave good selah_1977 says, See, I had no idea--I was going to have her cut it. selah_1977 says, Hey, Heidi! € skaprincess27 says, heidi. € catorman says, Hi Heidi! € heiditandy schnoogles al. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Hi Heidi € heiditandy says, simon? you're stilla wake? € skaprincess27 says, oh, just al? € heiditandy says, who is Bak? have we met? € the_phantom_schnoogler schnoogles Sue catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Heidi, why a diorama?t € heiditandy gives Sue many hugs and schnoogles catlady_de_venezia says, Bvak is BRANDON € catorman says, No, you mustn't ! Well, of course you can, but I don't think she'd thank you for it - unless she could magically get it to do what she wants, with no hassle. catlady_de_venezia The TXT list of chatter aliases is to be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20Chatter%27s%20List catlady_de_venezia The HTML list of chatter aliases is to be found at: catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/files/%20chatterlist.html catlady_de_venezia This chat will be saved and posted on theYahoo Group : catlady_de_venezia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownupsChatScripts/ € skaprincess27 feels unwarrantedly schnoogled € heiditandy says, in Draco Veritas, there is an Evil Diorama that draco threatens to make selah_1977 says, LOL, Catherine! € heiditandy says, but when I go to NYC next week, Cassie and Ashley and I willa ctually make one selah_1977 says, Cool! catlady_de_venezia says, NYC next week? selah_1977 says, African hair is actually really hypercurly hair--the opposite of fine--so it works better short. selah_1977 says, Am wanting to cut all mine off... € catorman says, How come? selah_1977 says, Because it just does IMO. € catorman You'll only end up getting extensions when you get bored of it..... € catorman says, How short? selah_1977 says, Short short. catlady_de_venezia says, I am debating whether to load up my credit card just because there are air fare sales, but the one Lee's travel agent offered me ends Oct 8 so I don;t have long to decicde € heiditandy says, sorry - had to help hubby find dvd clicker selah_1977 says, I'm tired of wearing an Afro puff. € heiditandy says, yes, we are going to NYC on saturday morning selah_1977 says, And too lazy to twist and braid myself. € catorman says, I can't imagine you with an "Afro puff." catlady_de_venezia says, I want to see the big temp exhibitions at AMNH selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, I'll send a pic, Catherine. € catorman says, I 've only seen you with very sleek hair. Oh do! € heiditandy says, what is it, rita? selah_1977 says, It's actually cute... I tie it with all sorts of scarves. € skaprincess27 says, Eb, I think we all want to see the puff. catlady_de_venezia says, back to moleskin: protection from chilling winds. Both fabrics were used also by the landowners who found them unusually comfortable € heiditandy says, we have 27 people in fictionalleypark right now. Must be making up for lost time catlady_de_venezia says, 1: Hinduism, 2) Pearls selah_1977 says, Have gotten loads of compliments after the shock wore off. selah_1977 says, Moleskin??? catlady_de_venezia says, protection from chilling winds. Both fabrics were used also by the landowners who found them unusually michelleapostolides leaves michelleapostolides enters € catorman says, I love the description of Hagrid's moleskin coat -how they did it. selah_1977 says, I love that article! catlady_de_venezia says, Moleskin and corduroy are both fustian fabrics, woven with a twilled weave to form a thick dense cloth, € michelleapostolides says, Hi heidi catlady_de_venezia says, and having a cut nap on one side. With the moleskin, the fabric is brushed to form the nap … bak_42 says, where is this article? selah_1977 says, Am getting excited--will be evidently taking a Field Trip to the movie with oodles of students from my old middle school and my new high school. selah_1977 says, Will need a bus on the 16th. € catorman says, Sunday Times - London. catlady_de_venezia says, Moleskin, with a brushed nap, is softer than corduroy, € michelleapostolides says, I am so looking forward to our movie meet up. catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.davidmorgan.com/CATALOGS/DM/dm31?1721136532740225125100834176 selah_1977 says, The parents have started to call and IM... and the kids... "Since you like Harry Potter, Ms. Thomas... can I go to the movie with you and --fill in the blank with 10 other kids--." selah_1977 says, Will make my 17 year old sister Lori go too. She has no choice. :-D € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Am making my entire house come selah_1977 says, You go, boy! selah_1977 says, *high-fives Al* € michelleapostolides says, Al you will see it with us first ? pengolodh_sc leaves selah_1977 says, Wish I could see it in London! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I was forced to buy the Sunday Times at gunpoint today, and I've only got a look at the magazine briefly. catlady_de_venezia says, http://www.bootsonline.com.au/pants.htm SAYS € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Yes, of course. selah_1977 says, *moans* Why, oh why am I not in England right now? € michelleapostolides says, I wish you and christian could be with us too. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Then I'll go back to Brighton and watch it here catlady_de_venezia says, Moleskins have become part of the Australian heritage. Moleskin was originally worn by miners in Wales. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, It is very, very windy here. selah_1977 says, *remembers that she'll be back year after next* Saitaina says, I'm going with whatever HP fans happen to show up at the thetre that day selah_1977 says, *exhales* € catorman says, Mike is coming, isn't he? € michelleapostolides says, And we'll be waiting for it too. catlady_de_venezia says, The fabric is so soft that on the inside it feels like a second skin against your own. Outside, it looks and feels like soft suede, € michelleapostolides says, Yes. selah_1977 says, Rita!!! € catorman says, I'm looking forward to meeting him selah_1977 says, *lol!* selah_1977 says, Mike is so very cool! selah_1977 says, Again, wish I was there... € michelleapostolides says, Just telling everyone how much I wish you would be in London to see the movie with us Cgristian. € catorman says, Have you met him, Eb? € heiditandy says, hey, al, how's your net access? selah_1977 says, Only virtually. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Seems okay potterlovingash enters € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I still won't be here much, but I'll at least try and get some coding in. selah_1977 says, Fall is my favorite season.... but it just doesn't seem like fall this year. € catorman says, He is such a great guy. Really makes me laugh, as well. catlady_de_venezia says, WB aSHLEY selah_1977 says, Last year fall was glorious! selah_1977 says, Hey, hey Ash! potterlovingash is back. potterlovingash says, Yeah! I missed you all selah_1977 says, Anna Karenina done? potterlovingash says, Nope € catorman says, Anna Karenina? One of my cousins was named after her. selah_1977 says, Fall=Autumn for Brits. € heiditandy says, ashley! I hear you had an adventure yesterday... potterlovingash says, I did! € catorman says, Eb - we know that! Thanks though. selah_1977 says, potterlovingash says, This person thought I ran Fiction Alley € heiditandy schnoogles ashley's tote bag, avaialble from Cafe Press potterlovingash leaves selah_1977 says, Where'd she go! selah_1977 says, Ack! selah_1977 says, brb--must switch SNs. selah_1977 leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Everyone seems to have wonky connections today. potterlovingash enters potterlovingash says, eek € heiditandy says, ashley! what happened? potterlovingash says, I need the duct tape € heiditandy says, you were telling a fascinating story potterlovingash says, I pushed all credit onto Cassie € heiditandy says, oh my - everyone has to go here - http://www.drugstore.com/templates/brand/default.asp?brand=22688 - to see Harry Potter toothpaste & brushes! skaprincess27 is away (Auto-Away) … bak_42 says, why can't anybody fix that revolving door? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Toothbrushes??! potterlovingash says, I'm still on a quest to find Snape lip gloss € heiditandy says, toothbrushes. and paste in Drooble's Best Blowing Gum Flavour € the_phantom_schnoogler is wondering if he should have the Draco picture from theSunday Times made into a poster € heiditandy says, I need snape lip gloss € heiditandy says, al - is that pic online yet? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Not that I know of. € michelleapostolides says, I can't wait for the harry poster. € catorman says, I want some Drooble's Best Blowing Gum! catlady_de_venezia asks Al: 'submit?' € catorman says, I have to wait until I get a bigger house for Mickey to let me put any HP posters on the walls. potterlovingash says, {pouts cause she wants her own Sunday Times} selah_1977 enters € michelleapostolides says, I want to have the poster framed for my new place € heiditandy says, ashley - you'll be able to fint it on newsstands tomorrow. € catorman says, The Draco picture - his hair is wrong and he doesn't look remotely evil. potterlovingash says, Really! {dances} pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, It's brilliant. € catorman says, Why? pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I won't hear a bad word said against that picture. pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Well, it's Draco pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves € catorman says, Oh no, poor Christian. € catorman says, Why? € michelleapostolides says, But you have a skewed view of Draco Al. *** User HP:1 isn't online right now. € catorman says, Someone get ready to catch him. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, True … bak_42 says, The revolving door strikes again. € michelleapostolides says, I mean, he lives in your head. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Also true. Saitaina gets the duck tape ready € heiditandy says, draco/al? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, duct tape € catorman says, I'm sorry to say this, and I extend this apology to Heidi, but to me, Draco is an evil SOB. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Oh yes, of course he is. Saitaina says, Hey, I prefer my spelling selah_1977 says, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack! potterlovingash says, Draco lives with Al?? selah_1977 says, *waves* € the_phantom_schnoogler says, That isn't actually in doubt, Catherine. € catorman says, And I can't see any redeeming feature at the moment. pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Draco *is* and remains an evil f**ker pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters € pengolodh_sc says, How difficult can this be? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Very Saitaina says, That's why we love him, because he's evil *grabs Christian and tapes him down so that he can barley breath* € heiditandy says, actually, I do doubt it. beccafly7 enters € michelleapostolides holds on to Christian, even though she only knows he has brown hair and eyes. the_phantom_schnoogler tapes pengolodh_sc to the floor beccafly7 says, heylo catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Becca € catorman says, But you glamourise it, Al - you are glamorising him being an evil f******* beccafly7 says, wow! it worked. ^_^ € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, He's still evil. selah_1977 says, AH! CAtherine, I didn't know you're not a Draco fan! € heiditandy says, As cass & I have said, it would be quite dull for him to remain evil - and I think it's hard for 14 year olds to qualify as evil for anything shy of outright murder. selah_1977 says, Hi Becca. beccafly7 says, Hi! catorman leaves catorman enters selah_1977 says, Heidi and Cass want him not evil and not nice. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Exactly, he needs the whole teen rebellion thing going on. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, He's just difficult catlady_de_venezia says, Al's characters aren't very thourough at being evil. They are said to be cold blooded murderers for profit off screen but catlady_de_venezia says, on screen they are tenderly careful for each other selah_1977 says, Al, is Draco your favorite? selah_1977 says, Or are Draco and Harry tied? catlady_de_venezia says, none of those truly vicious jabs Draco says in canon € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Probably he's on an equal footing with Harry for me, with Ron coming a little way behind. € the_phantom_schnoogler smacks BBC € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I've already seen this speech twice. € catorman says, He's not just difficult, he's evil. Look at CoS - he wanted all the Muggleborns to die ("You'll be next, Mudbloods"). He just doesn't care. selah_1977 says, Aww... there's no gender diversity there! *clucks tongue at Al* € michelleapostolides says, Which speech ? Saitaina says, You don't know that. We're seeing what he says not what he feels. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, They're repeating Blair's sabre rattling on News 24 again. € catorman says, Bin Laden, I assume, Michelle. € heiditandy says, but he was 12. at that age, psychologists say, children often don't really understand what that means... selah_1977 says, Both males and females are represented. catlady_de_venezia says, It just occured to me last week that Draco wasn;t being stupid or creless to insult Buckbeak, he was € catorman says, I guess. € michelleapostolides says, I'll pass on that or I won't have a telly. pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, It's too early to tell with Draco. pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves Saitaina says, I said a lot of things to people before...doesn't truly mean I feel that. pengolodh_sc enters pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters selah_1977 says, Catherine, Heidi and Cassie are my friends, but I understand where you're coming from in canon. pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters catlady_de_venezia says, maybe TRYING to provoke the attack in order € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Equally, it's too early to tell with Ron, who could very well go evil. selah_1977 says, And how did the Brits take Blair's speech? selah_1977 says, I really like your PM... he's so much better than Bush IMO. potterlovingash says, No no, no evil Ron please. It doesn't suit his coloring. Red, evil, oh so cliche € heiditandy says, oh, I loved blair' sspeech € michelleapostolides says, I'm in two minds. I'm pissed off with him from Tuesday but selah_1977 says, Although all my tutors hated him this summer. € catorman says, But, he gets worse - look at his campaign against Hagrid, his comment about Cedric being the first - he is aware, at the age of 14/15 (and btw: you are criminally responsible much younger than Draco was in CoS) that bad things are going to happen, and he is revelling in it. € heiditandy says, can I vote for him>? selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, Me too, Heidi! catlady_de_venezia says, to get Hagrid in trouble and hpe that being ffriends with a vicious monster will make Harry look bad beccafly7 leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, As speeches go, it was a keynote address today, and very well handled. € heiditandy says, well, I do see the speech at the end of Book 4 as a warning/caution € michelleapostolides says, I think he said the right thing tonight. selah_1977 says, Blair for President! pengolodh_sc leaves pengolodh_sc enters € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Although I'm very much in the peacenik camp right now. € pengolodh_sc says, I think I am going to give up for tonight. € michelleapostolides says, I think we all are. selah_1977 says, I really think that JKR could do a brilliant Draco-Ron reversal in canon. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, So I can't agree with what he's doing, and he's lost my vote next time round. selah_1977 says, I would love it! € michelleapostolides says, OK. selah_1977 says, Aww, Christian! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, That's be interesting to see happen, Eb selah_1977 says, Forgot it's so late there. € pengolodh_sc says, First it kicks me off for two hours, and now it does this. € michelleapostolides says, Looking forward to seeing a photo of you selah_1977 says, Al, I would LOVE it! € heiditandy says, oh, yes, eb € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Yeah, I know how you feel about Ron. Saitaina says, Draco's also the son of a DE and a slytherin raised in Dark Magic, of course h's going to spout off like that, it's how he was raised. I don't think that he'll continue this way once he truly sees what's happening, after all, to him Cedric was some big headed git prancing around the school like HE should have een € heiditandy says, even if only for a book - would be interesting pengolodh_sc leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Even though I like Ron, it'd be very interesting to see how it would affect the dynamic selah_1977 says, Heidi--I would be so ungracious, though. ;-) selah_1977 says, I'd love it if Ron and Hermione were dating when it happens. catlady_de_venezia says, Sait says that even tho' her favorite characters are VOldie and Lucius and Wormtail? selah_1977 says, And Hermione's really upset... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Ouch € the_phantom_schnoogler says, What amazing pictures € catorman says, I don't know. There are people who are evil, or who are sadistic, or who think of nothing other than themselves - who are sociopaths, from a very early age, and I think that Draco is a ripe candidate for this. € heiditandy says, eb - would be fun... selah_1977 says, I would LOVE JKR! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Sorry, watching telly at same time. Saitaina says, Hey, just because I like evil doesn't mean those that are percived to be evil can't be good catlady_de_venezia says, really upset: IS AN understtement foir how a person feels when their friend joins the Dark Side selah_1977 says, She would be my All-Time Favorite Author of the Year! € michelleapostolides says, Did anyone see this week's Eastneders ? selah_1977 says, Rita--LOL! selah_1977 says, It is. € catorman says, True, Saitana. And I have to say, I do like Cassie and Heidi's Dracos, but I just don't see him that way in canon. € the_phantom_schnoogler schoogles Heidi bak_42 is away (Auto-Away) selah_1977 says, But the problem is... € michelleapostolides says, Only, saying thast about believing you're bad because you are percieved to be, that was a theme. skaprincess27 is back. € skaprincess27 says, hmm. selah_1977 says, The fans are going to now complain about JKR's Draco! beccafly7 enters selah_1977 says, We expect him to be that way. ;-) € michelleapostolides says, I think Draco can change. beccafly7 says, Yahoo does not seem to like me very much. :-( I am back. selah_1977 says, The Cassie/Heidi/Al/Rhysenn/fill-in-the-blank way. selah_1977 says, wb Becca beccafly7 says, Thankies, Eb. Saitaina says, I'm a Narcasist. I've also been a refered to as a sociopath/psycopath...and have been from an early age, does that mean that I have no part in me that could be fundementally good and doo the right thing when it comes down to it? That's very mean to say especially when it's wrong. What you were isn't what you are. People are both good and evil fundementally and make the choice in each action. Saitaina says, Draco still has an oppertunity to make the good choice. He may make it, he may not, but we can't say what he will or wont' do until the time comes. € catorman says, Why? We expect him to be the fanfic Draco, in canon? Well, I don't - yet, although he'll always be at the back of my mind now. - but he is so ambivalent. He comes across as being evil, and isn't. Where as in canon, if not from Harry's POV I am sure he is quite charming (but evil underneath) € michelleapostolides says, Just because one is percieved as one thing at a certain stage it doesn't label you for life. catlady_de_venezia says, defintion of sociopath: unable to tell good from evil simon_fictionalley leaves € catorman says, Well, yes, Rita - that's why I used it. Because that's how I see Draco at the moment. bak_42 Had a great time, but has to go now... Laterz => catlady_de_venezia says, by by brandon selah_1977 says, Catherine--Nazi!Draco will irritate me slightly less than R/H and H/G. And yes the two seem intertwined! selah_1977 says, Bye, Brandon! bak_42 leaves lupinesque enters € catorman says, I know. I don't understand it. € michelleapostolides says, No I think JKR will turn Dtaco on his head and make us go Whoa ! € catorman says, Hi Amy. WB. selah_1977 says, Hey hey, Amy! Saitaina says, My mom says I have no concious...doesn't mean I dont' do the right thing when it comes down it at times I have a hope that in one shinny moment Draco and Peter will both make one good choice for themselves and the world. They won't completly change...but they'll do something right. lupinesque says, Wow, is there an HP discussion underway?! selah_1977 says, We are talking about Draco. selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, Yes. catlady_de_venezia says, Maybe your Mom is wrong, Sait selah_1977 says, But I like Heidi's scenario in canon best. selah_1977 says, She has really made me love him. selah_1977 says, So I think that fanon has tainted me a bit. potterlovingash says, I like "Heidi Draco Saitaina says, She's not. I either have no concious or a very low guilt emotion. potterlovingash says, as well € catorman says, It is possible that Draco could be redeemed. It is also very plausible that JKR will decide to show that in RL people don't always change, or redeem themselves, and he could, therefore, not change at all. potterlovingash says, ick, half typing selah_1977 says, Whatever happens, it won't be H/H and reformed-Draco-goes-for-Ginny. selah_1977 says, Sigh... € michelleapostolides says, I know Catherine. selah_1977 says, Ah, well. Can't have everything. lupinesque says, who knows, Ebony, maybe! beccafly7 says, That's what fanfics for. selah_1977 says, (one of my favorite RL saying!) € michelleapostolides says, I want to see something completely take me by surprise. Saitaina says, It's H/G or nutting beccafly7 says, *fanfic's selah_1977 says, Me too, Michelle. catlady_de_venezia says, Hermione/Ginny selah_1977 says, But we have thought of EVERYTHING! € michelleapostolides says, I want another rollercoaster. selah_1977 says, What haven't we thought of? selah_1977 says, In the fandom, I mean? Saitaina says, Voldie in Drag singing Over the Rainbow...that'd be a shocker € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Nobody's ever killed Harry € heiditandy says, it could be h/h. selah_1977 says, *falls off futon!* € heiditandy says, what ahven't we thought of? beccafly7 says, All of them randomly turning into mashed potatoes. selah_1977 says, Heidi! Schnoogles! Saitaina says, I've killed Harry several times Al € heiditandy says, al - are you sure? catlady_de_venezia says, Didn't Caius post the words fro v SINGing Over the Rainbow? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Have you selah_1977 says, I love statements like that. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, okay € catorman says, I have every faith that no matter what I think might happen, I will still be blown away by what she comes up with in the next book. It's never failed me yet. catlady_de_venezia says, Some fics h ave killed Harry € the_phantom_schnoogler says, The last thing we'll be expecting will be for ice skating mongooses to invade Hogwarts and dance the bolero. lupinesque says, tell me a good fic that's killed Harry, I want to read it selah_1977 says, Well, I only had six months to wait last time! selah_1977 says, This is two years! € catorman says, You cannot kill Harry!!!!!!!!! Sacrilege!!!!!!!!! catlady_de_venezia says, and didn;t Alicia Sue have them all turn randomly into mashed potatioes.... oh, no, that was just a food fight.... potterlovingash says, It's impossible to say what hasn't been thought of in the fandom. There are TOO MANY FICS to keep up selah_1977 says, She had better not kill Harry! selah_1977 says, No, no, no! Saitaina says, I killed him in "This Used to Be My Playground", "The End of the Begining", "The Time is Now", "Ever After", and one other I can't place lupinesque says, I'm a glutton for punishment € the_phantom_schnoogler says, She won't € michelleapostolides says, When the next book comes out, I shall be torn between wanting to read it and talk about it. selah_1977 says, I don't want ANY of the Trio to die. beccafly7 says, She just might, Eb. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I'll read it € the_phantom_schnoogler says, First € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Otherwise there won't be anything to talk about. catlady_de_venezia says, she wont kill him until Book 7 lupinesque says, OK, Saitaina, I'm reading yours selah_1977 says, If Ron dies, I will cry. selah_1977 says, And be depressed for weeks. beccafly7 says, Harry dying and Harry becoming a DADA teacher are the two corny endings that I've thought of. lupinesque says, I don't want any of the Trio to die in real life (=canon, lol) but in fanfic all's fair € michelleapostolides says, I'll be thinking "Does Neil like this bit " " is Catherine crying at that bit ? " potterlovingash says, One of the Trio won't die until Book 7 so I'm okay for right now Saitaina says, Alright love, you go read mine...and for anyone intrested in Draco dying I have a few of those too € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Y'all will look out for the HPfGU references/digs in Time of Trial 9, won't you selah_1977 says, If Harry dies, I am burying the books. € heiditandy says, no, ron could be killed at the end of book 6. selah_1977 says, If Hermione dies, I will BURN them. € michelleapostolides says, No you won'r Ebs potterlovingash says, No no Heidi, that would be AWFUL selah_1977 says, That's all. Saitaina says, I'll just look out for ToT9 Al selah_1977 says, Yes, I will, Michelle. € michelleapostolides says, Do I have to finish Snitch! to resad TOT ? selah_1977 says, Ron could die at the end of Book 6. € michelleapostolides says, Ebsony, you couldn't. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Nope lupinesque says, It's uncool to get onto chat and pester another chatter about when he/she's coming out with the next chapter, isn't it? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, You have to read Dracaena Draco first lupinesque says, just checking my netiquette selah_1977 says, If that happens, then Lori is the queen! lupinesque says, and biting my tongue selah_1977 says, LOL! We want SNITCH! Saitaina says, If any of the trio dies I'll praise JKR because killing of your babies is hard...I've tried to kill Rafel (my main book Char) three times and he keeps popping up alive on me selah_1977 says, And SOC! € skaprincess27 wanders back € catorman says, Michelle - you can guarantee that I'll be crying. I always do, copiously. Often when I least expect to. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Well, you're getting Snitch. selah_1977 says, OOH! selah_1977 says, Maybe she WILL kill someone... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Although not being Heidi, I can't comment on SoC selah_1977 says, ...and then pull an Orpheus and Eurydice! selah_1977 says, Wow wow! € michelleapostolides says, This fandom had become so much more than the books. € catorman says, I don't think I could bear it if Harry or Hermione died. € heiditandy says, more SOC within 2 weeks. selah_1977 says, Catherine--me either. € heiditandy says, I promise potterlovingash says, Yay for SoC selah_1977 says, Whoo-hoo! selah_1977 says, Like, at the end of Book 6 we think Ron is dead. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And then get made to wait a year??? selah_1977 says, And then another 2 years pass between books 6 and 7... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, To find out! selah_1977 says, Right! selah_1977 says, Classic JKR. potterlovingash says, That would be TORTURE € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I would stalk Jo if she did that. I would hunt her down and irritate her until she told me. € heiditandy says, gah - that would be wonderful! Saitaina says, *giggles* selah_1977 says, We should be glad Jo € michelleapostolides says, I couldn't go through all this waiting again. potterlovingash says, I would camp out at Scholastic because she'd have to be here in NYC for publicity € catorman says, Oh don't. Waiting for book 5 is torture enough. selah_1977 says, 's not Jean Auel. € michelleapostolides says, Not if we get all snippy with things € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I do actually need Book 5 now, quite badly. selah_1977 says, Right, Michelle. € catorman says, Jean Auel - Clan of the Cave Bear etc??????????? selah_1977 says, And the closer to the end, the worse it'll be. selah_1977 says, Right, Catherine. selah_1977 says, Right now, we cannot imagine all the stuff that'll open up after the next books. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, But after book 5 there's only two left ( € michelleapostolides says, Cabin fever is bad enough now € the_phantom_schnoogler (( selah_1977 says, That's why I MUST finish PL before book 5 is out. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, € heiditandy says, yes, eb, you have to. selah_1977 says, Since OotP will render 1000 fanfics invalid. Saitaina says, We're getting close to the end for Book Five and look how hard it is...we made it a year and almost a half and soon Book five will be here and then....the wait begins again! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, But we'll have Book 5 € heiditandy says, eb - 20,000. selah_1977 says, Don't say that, Sait! € catorman says, I have just waited over a year for the latest in the Anita Blake series, and then finished it in less than 24 hours. I am not happy. € heiditandy says, that's the est. # so far. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Maybe she'll do spin offs again. lupinesque says, otherwise, ebony, you have to stay holed up in your room on release day, frantically finishing PL selah_1977 says, LOL, Heidi! € michelleapostolides says, I have a book to reccomend, possibnly. selah_1977 says, Amy!!! That's so funny! lupinesque says, true, Saitaina, but we'll have so much more to write about for a while anyway selah_1977 says, Ah, but who would read it then? I woudn't! lupinesque says, you say it's funny now, but if the day actually came, you'd be crying € catorman says, So I know that book 5 will be devoured far too quickly. I love the surprise of books, and you never capture tha again. selah_1977 says, If it gets close, I'll post a summary. A month before is my deadline, actually. € michelleapostolides says, I want to know what happens in PL ! € heiditandy says, erk. why is this necessary? - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786708905/ref=pd_cart_end_4/104-0769672-3679156 - kid's letters to harry potter -unauthorized Saitaina says, True...I think I've got GoF memorized while waiting for book five...just wait for the time between five and six...I'll have THAt memorized. course I get a reprive in my wait, Anita Blake Vamp Hunter is coming out Tuesday (year long wait for THAT as well...I'm starting to hate authors) selah_1977 says, I must re-read canon. lupinesque says, I am realizing I'm going to have to buy the US ed. No way can I wait another few days for mail order to bring me the UK ed selah_1977 says, Don't worry, Michelle. If it gets close, I'll just post a summary. selah_1977 says, Cassie still has another book to go... € michelleapostolides says, NONONO. I want to see what you write ! € catorman says, Saitana - I've already read it! Got it this week! Saitaina says, I always have things to write about...how much I can torture Harry/Draco and how Neville deas with the end of the war....and by the time book seven comes out I'll STILL be working on Peter's story selah_1977 says, So does Lori... selah_1977 says, I will read no fanfic for a month before OotP. selah_1977 says, Okay. selah_1977 says, Am laying. potterlovingash says, Ebony, you have to finish. It's the writing, not just the story that makes it fabulous selah_1977 says, lying! Saitaina says, I. Hate. You. selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, What's wrong, Sait? lupinesque says, anyone know if Rebecca's writing anything new? selah_1977 says, She is, I think Amy! Saitaina says, That last message was for Catherine by the way. She read the book before me! € michelleapostolides says, Ashley you are so right. € catorman says, And I bought an American Import in London, so surely you should have it by now. lupinesque says, about Snape I hope? potterlovingash says, schnoogles Michelle lupinesque says, OMG, what am I saying?!! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, News is saying there may be a situation developing in DC lupinesque says, uh oh, I'm gonna go check it out, thank you Al selah_1977 says, No, no... Al... € michelleapostolides says, What situation ? beccafly7 says, I think that shOh God. Situation? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, May be nothing selah_1977 says, I have NBC on... they would have cut into the commercials. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, BBC reports - a freeway has been sealed off catlady_de_venezia says, Did Becca ever finish telling about something thinking tha tshe owend FictionAlley? € michelleapostolides says, But ? € catorman says, Saitana, I have to say that I was a little disappointed. She sets things up for the next book to keep us in suspense. And no Edward. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, There saying something about two trucks. beccafly7 says, Hum? Which Becca is this? catlady_de_venezia says, you, no? selah_1977 says, No, no... I hope it's just alarmist stuff. Saitaina says, Ooo, don't tell me anything, It's bad enough I got people giving me reports Anita's gone furry selah_1977 says, No, that was Ash, Rita.l € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And now they've cut back to the other report Saitaina says, Any Asher though? catlady_de_venezia grovels € the_phantom_schnoogler says, So hopefully nowt € heiditandy says, no, that was ashley selah_1977 says, Al, there's nothing on NBC... selah_1977 says, Let me check CNN. Saitaina says, Nothing on CNN either potterlovingash says, What did I do? lupinesque says, whew catlady_de_venezia says, did you finish telling of when soemone thought you owned FictionAlley? selah_1977 says, Nothing on ABC... beccafly7 says, I nearly had a heart attack when I heard that terrorist groupies had taken over a bus last week...and now that everything is happening now I'm really freaking out... selah_1977 says, Thanks, Sait, for saving me the trip! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Well, hoping it's just a rumour. selah_1977 says, Becca, normal reaction. € catorman says, Oh, quite a bit of Asher, fortunately. And Jean Claude. Tell me - what do you think of Richard? potterlovingash says, Ah, silly silly thing Rita. Saitaina says, NP. I have it on in the other room and am absently listening to them. € heiditandy says, nothing on post website about trucks € heiditandy says, I have to run € heiditandy says, have a good night yall heiditandy leaves selah_1977 says, OK, Heidi! lupinesque says, night beccafly7 says, I know...I had to make myself fall asleep because I didn't want to do anything stupid... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Night € catorman says, Bye Heidi beccafly7 says, Bye, Heidi! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Missed her Saitaina says, Richard's okay but sometimes I just wanna gag him and lock him in a room with Eddy...too much of a boyscout for my tastes. I prefer the vamps and the kitties € catorman says, So do I. too wet for me. So you'll probably like this book, then. Saitaina says, Good. € catorman says, (hint, hint) tell me to shut up... skaprincess27 is away (Auto-Away) selah_1977 says, It's like we're on constant heightened alert. selah_1977 says, No, it's OK, Cat! Saitaina says, Shut up. *giggles* € catorman says, OK! lupinesque says, <--no longer has any idea what anyone is talking about Saitaina says, Just kidding. I need talk. Can't stand waiting till Tuesday, I'm half ready to camp outside Waldons € catorman says, Where do you live, Saitana? lupinesque says, what happens Tuesday? Saitaina says, Oregon, USA Saitaina says, New Anita Blake book comes out. lupinesque says, clueless € catorman says, Very strange. I have the UK edition, and it's been here a week already. lupinesque says, I've never waited for a book or a movie in my life before € catorman says, US edition, I mean. lupinesque says, now I'm counting the days Saitaina says, Current Waiting Timeline for Saitaina-Tuesday-Anita Blake VH, Nov 16-HP movie 1 April 2002-Next Merry Gentry Book Year 2002-OoP € catorman says, Oh, there's several authors I wait for - I could name half a dozen. lupinesque says, 40, BTW lupinesque says, I mostly read dead people, I suppose Saitaina says, Also Year 2002 Next Goldy Bear mystery is due potterlovingash says, Me too lupinesque says, or I get excited when a new one comes out but I'm not aware of it 'til it's out already selah_1977 says, I LOVE MY KIDS!!! selah_1977 says, They are so cool! lupinesque says, what did they do? potterlovingash says, Whoo Hoo! Go Eb € catorman says, So when is the next Anita Blake? In about 18 months time? I'd rather read her than Merry. beccafly7 says, Yes, what'd they do? beccafly7 says, selah_1977 says, *schnoogles her babies* Saitaina says, She's alternating half a year so it'll probably be next fall before the next Nita selah_1977 says, They are sending me a ton of e-mails. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Anita Blake being????? potterlovingash says, Good, I hope Ebony lupinesque says, mysteries? € catorman says, I've never met anyone else on line who likes Anita Blake catlady_de_venezia says, a vampite hunter lupinesque says, ?? lupinesque says, AH lupinesque says, vampire fiction has thus far failed to grab me Saitaina says, Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter sorta like an adult version of BTVS with cuter vamps selah_1977 says, Giving me suggestions and telling me that they love me and DON'T want a new teacher. lupinesque says, I'll go for Vampire!Snape though selah_1977 says, Whee! selah_1977 says, Am happy! catlady_de_venezia says, she tracks down and kills criminal monsters and has affairs with the noncriminal ones potterlovingash says, Yeah!! Schnoogles Eb € catorman says, Anita Blake is cool. She's a vampire hunter - but works in a parrelel universe in the US, when Vampires have legal rights, as do lycanthropes € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Like Buffy selah_1977 says, Thanks, Ash! selah_1977 says, I feel so much better. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, That sounds fun beccafly7 says, Don't want a new teacher? Were you threatening to leave them? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I must try that. selah_1977 says, Have been a wreck all weekend. lupinesque says, lycanthropes? ears perk up selah_1977 says, No, Becca--thought THEY wanted one! lupinesque says, why, Eb? € catorman says, Yep - whole tribes of them. Very intricate. € michelleapostolides says, Oh Ebony. Saitaina says, I suggest everyone must go to the book store and buy "Guilty Pleausres" The first Anita Blake novel...and then Buy "Blue Moon" Because GP sucks € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Okay lupinesque says, and they just IM'd you to tell you they love you? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I have a tonne of stuff to buy tomorrow € catorman says, Anita is very involved with Were-leopards, although she's been dating the "Ulfric" (king) of the werewolves. selah_1977 says, Amy--yeah. selah_1977 says, Not all of them love me. lupinesque says, what sweeties! € michelleapostolides says, Books Al ? selah_1977 says, Some complained last week. selah_1977 says, But most do. ;-) € catorman says, Exactly, Saitana. Read GP for background - and get into the series with all after. potterlovingash says, They're all "Lovers" in denial Eb € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Needs bacon, bread, milk, pasta, rice, biscuits, textbooks, a wastebin, a bathmat, some throws for my room etc etc potterlovingash says, no one hates you € michelleapostolides says, Food and books first. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I have barely eaten today. beccafly7 says, Aw, Eb! That's because a lot of kids like to sound tough and say "Ewww, I hate Mrs. Thomas". Tis not true! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, lol, yes beccafly7 :schnoogles:: lupinesque says, if not love, settle for obey, mwahahaha selah_1977 says, I really ought to go to law school, LOL! selah_1977 says, Less stress. ;-) € michelleapostolides says, Alexander, you must eat ! Saitaina says, Or you could buy "Bloody Bones", "Obsidian Butterfly", uh..the one before Blue Moon..forgot the name..."Circus of the Damned", "Lunitic Cafe", and there's another one in ther series I'm forgetting but thsoe are all the good ones. lupinesque says, I am motoring through Discworld so fast it isn't going to take me through to Nov. 16, much less OoP selah_1977 says, I have Anne's problem... I want to have a good relationship with my students. potterlovingash says, Hey, has John been in at all today? lupinesque says, Then I'm going to have another author to wait for selah_1977 says, No, hasn't, Ash! catlady_de_venezia says, HEY! QUESTION! Why do Brit fanfic authors give cookies instead of biccies? € catorman says, No, read them in order, but know that some are much better than others, and the first isn't the best. potterlovingash says, Misses John lupinesque says, yeah, where is he? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, 1) We'd get angry emails asking what the hell biscuits are. Saitaina says, But if you read them in order then your stuck with the crap ones that have no bearing on the series arc, hence you read the good ones selah_1977 says, Rita--because they copy Americans. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, 2) Cookie in the UK means specifically a chocolate chip cookie, so it is legit here as well. catorman leaves catorman enters selah_1977 says, The whole world has been tainted by the stars and stripes! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Everything else is biscuits - choc chip biscuits are cookies. selah_1977 says, Muwhahahahahahaha! € michelleapostolides says, Alex, you are thin enough as it is. selah_1977 says, Eat, Al. selah_1977 says, But he's soooooooooo cute! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, But the kitchen's so tiny. € catorman says, True - but there's only 10 altogether, and we're all waiting for HP5 as it is - so it might take some people a bit more time. selah_1977 says, Just adorable! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And it floods every time someone uses the bath € michelleapostolides says, ( Sorry, frustrated mother comes out in me ) € the_phantom_schnoogler says, This is like living in theYoung Ones Saitaina says, True...I still say you should just read the books with Jean-Claude or Asher in them, no point in the others...unless they feature Jason or the kitties or Tedward € catorman says, Oh, yuck, Al € michelleapostolides says, Oh my god. Did you know this when you signed up for the house ? beccafly7 says, Poor Afganistanians. They don't want to be tainted by stars and stripes, which is happening everywhere else, so some of them go Narsassistic (spell is shot, it's a sunday) and attack us. Sigh. potterlovingash says, I never cook for myself. The poor kitchen is so lonely. And I am so lazy. I am a true college student € the_phantom_schnoogler says, It's okay, we're fixing it this week. beccafly7 says, *spelling € the_phantom_schnoogler says, The bathtub just needs re-sealing. € michelleapostolides says, Make sure you do € michelleapostolides says, Get the landlord to do it. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And the kitchen needs new floor - it's carpet at the minute. skaprincess27 leaves beccafly7 says, I couldnt cook if I tried. lupinesque says, carpeted kitchen floor, major yuck € catorman says, Yep. Definitely. All the interesting Vampire stuff. But some people say that Obsidian Butterfly isn't really relevant to the series - just LKH nodding to all the Edward fans out there (but it's still one of my favourites) € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I know, we managed to tread broccoli into it earlier. potterlovingash says, who puts carpet in a kitchen? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Cheap landlords potterlovingash says, lol € the_phantom_schnoogler says, This is Brighton we're talking about. lupinesque says, and it collects damp and icky smells Saitaina says, Tedward is important to the series! It shows just how f-ed up his life is...I mean he's ENGAGED with KIDS! beccafly7 says, Last time I went to make a baked potato in the micrrowave, I clicked in 20 minutes instead of 2 and it was quite a mess...sigh. lupinesque says, OTOH, I have a ceramic floor and everything that hits it smashes lupinesque says, lol becca! € catorman says, I know. He doesn't feature in NiC at all. € michelleapostolides says, I want wooden floors next time. € catorman says, He is very ambivalent in the whole of OB, though. potterlovingash says, Where do you go to school Al? beccafly7 says, I broke my friend's microwave...the potato exploded and then turned black and hard as a stone. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Sussex University Saitaina says, Because he was in Obsidian...kinda hard to have a book all about him then have him in the next...course I want a book all about Jason and Larry... catlady_de_venezia says, One of my friends has a friend who made his own hardwood floor € catorman says, D'you want to know whose in this one? € catorman says, Jason is, of course. potterlovingash says, Hmm... I am having a major problem picking my British school to go to for study abroad € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And I'm really hoping the washing machine is just away getting repaired or something. € michelleapostolides says, I spill things a lot. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Sussex is cool. € catorman says, I love Jason - since that thing when the vampires rotted all over him € the_phantom_schnoogler says, But it's redbrick and very modern - so it depends what you're looking for. € michelleapostolides says, Did you not sign an inventory ? lupinesque says, what's Sussex like? lupinesque says, the univ and the area potterlovingash says, I am looking for anything that is NOT the United States € the_phantom_schnoogler says, You want ivy covered walls and quads, or 1960s concrete? € catorman says, who's not whose. Bad grammar! Saitaina says, YAY!!! JASON!!! Okay who else is in this one sides slutpuppy, Asher and JC? selah_1977 says, Where is Sussex? € michelleapostolides says, South coast. potterlovingash says, I've got Ivy covered walls now. Not a big deal either way € the_phantom_schnoogler says, South coast € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Under Surrey € catorman says, No Larry - in fact, no work at all, so no paid necromancy etc. lupinesque says, south coast, weird concept for USans!! lupinesque says, we have one but it's called the Gulf Coast € michelleapostolides says, I am going to be soooo jinxed when we meet up ! lupinesque says, South Coast sounds scifi Saitaina says, *whimpers* but...Larry...I NEED MY OPEY! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Nah, it's cool. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Nice hills just outside town - v scenic € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Campus is really well equipped. € catorman says, Gretchen appears again. Some of the original lycanthropes, such as all of the Kittys, Rafael. Lots of new characters though! catlady_de_venezia says, Amy , South Coast Plaza, South Coast Rep... Orange country (Newport Beach I think) likes to kname itw things South Coast Saitaina says, Ick on Gretchen, yay on Rafael...yay on the kitties and ick on new chars lupinesque says, Well, I always stayed out of Orange Co as much as possible so I wouldn't know! ;-) potterlovingash says, So many choices. So indecisive. {Sigh} lupinesque says, Now I live in Orange County, VT--weird!! € catorman says, Some of the new characters are great. € catorman says, One in particular........ catlady_de_venezia says, How can thye have oranges in VERMONT? € catorman says, Although it throws the balance somewhat. lupinesque says, I don't know why it's called that Saitaina says, uh oh... lupinesque says, maybe it's a British thing? € catorman says, Something to do with the Dutch =Orange? lupinesque says, Dutch? Saitaina says, huh?! € catorman says, William of Orange. Saitaina says, uh...huh selah_1977 is away (is away... best friend is reading "Trouble in Paradise" and ranting at me about my morals...) lupinesque says, It's a common town name catlady_de_venezia says, New York ahs Nassau Street William Street all thsoe Orange things, but Vermont? lupinesque says, When I mention Orange County politics to my sister, who lives in LA, she always does a double take € michelleapostolides says, Ebs whayt on earth could be wrong with your morals ? lupinesque says, sure, Rita--this is New England € catorman says, He was king in UK with Mary, soon after Charles II. So is a mixture of Dutch name, principality, whatever, and the name of an English monarch. lupinesque says, some sample towns: Rutland, Leicester, Worcester, Manchester catlady_de_venezia says, Michelle, Eb had Hemrionie considering abortion without Angelina screaming that it would be murder Saitaina says, Well I'm lost € catorman says, All Dukes as well as cities/counties. € michelleapostolides says, I think the Dutch crown is still Orange € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Yes, it is. € catorman says, probably catlady_de_venezia says, surely some people posted reviews screaming against that € michelleapostolides says, I know Rita I betaed it. selah_1977 says, Rita... you're right. ;-) selah_1977 says, back, BTW... € michelleapostolides says, But TIP is so moral. beccafly7 says, Depends on how you define morals... selah_1977 says, But still getting yelled at. beccafly7 says, Oh, wb Eb! selah_1977 says, LOL! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Have you read John's Offence post on OT_Chatter? selah_1977 says, Rita--they did scream. € michelleapostolides says, I love that selah_1977 says, Fortunately, the pro-lifers are not big on HP. € catorman says, I'm not telling you any more Saitana - it will spoil it for you. Tell me what you think next Sunday! lupinesque says, LOL Eb! Saitaina says, Alright! selah_1977 is afraid to tell her views on that subject, so changes it. Saitaina says, wait, why does Gretch come back...dont' tell me JC let her out.. selah_1977 says, So... how 'bout those Cannons? € michelleapostolides says, Tee hee € the_phantom_schnoogler says, They lost again. lupinesque says, I know your views and I think Angelina's reaction is very true to character! € catorman says, Only because he was forced to. beccafly7 says, *snickers* € catorman says, Something to do with Damian. lupinesque says, Cannons rule! € michelleapostolides says, I love Ron Weasley Saitaina says, WHAT?! NO! Please tell me Damian is okay and no one did anything to him and he didnt' go evil... beccafly7 says, Cheers. lupinesque says, Have you paid your 2 Sickles to CRAB? potterlovingash says, The Cannons are like the Columbia University football team. Sure, they don't win, but they look so cute € michelleapostolides says, Not yet. € catorman says, He didn't go evil, but it was touch and go for a while - JC's fault. lupinesque says, lol ash! selah_1977 says, Back! selah_1977 says, She's gone. beccafly7 says, Who's gone? Saitaina says, GAHHHHHHH!!!! *gets her camping equpment and lock picking tools intent on getting NiC TODAY! selah_1977 says, Halfway through Chapter 6 without condemning me to hell.... I'm pleased. selah_1977 says, My best friend. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Ooh, ToGi 3 € the_phantom_schnoogler runs selah_1977 says, LOL! beccafly7 says, Oooooooh! LOL! € michelleapostolides says, ? potterlovingash says, Uh oh Eb, you've opened your RL into Harry Potter. Watch out. selah_1977 says, Barb's fic Michelle. € michelleapostolides says, ToGi ? € michelleapostolides says, Oh yes. Get it now selah_1977 says, Harry Potter and the Time of Good Intentions. catlady_de_venezia says, Time of Godo Intentions. Havent started reading it yet € catorman says, If it makes you feel better, it means that I have longer to wait than you for the next one.... catlady_de_venezia says, I am SO FAR BEHIND on reading fanfic!!!! € michelleapostolides says, Me too. lupinesque says, I can't keep up with all the media pouring into my brain. Catch y'all later lupinesque says, bye Saitaina says, GRRRR. *glars evily* potterlovingash says, This one goes in a weird direction, ToGI3 was strange € michelleapostolides says, Bye beccafly7 says, Me too. Haven't even finished DV1. catlady_de_venezia says, by by Amy lupinesque leaves Saitaina says, I liked ToGI 3 € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Don't spoil it for me € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Don;t dare potterlovingash says, not spoiling Saitaina says, *giggles evily* Well first he.. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Cassie knows theconsequences of spoiling fics for me potterlovingash says, and then she... Saitaina says, And then they potterlovingash says, You stay away from Cass, you evil Al {bodyguard Ash called to duty} € catorman says, Saitana, you do, and I'll tell you every plot twist in NiC, right now! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, ie : 10 months on, and I still won't let her forget it Saitaina says, Go head. Saitaina says, More information to pass on to the waiting public potterlovingash says, ....oh, and you won't believe who DIES Al Saitaina says, And who lives € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Oh shut up € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Don't dare potterlovingash says, And who shags! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I mean it Saitaina says, And who DOESN"T shag... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I'll hold Snitch 7 back catlady_de_venezia says, Necrophilia? in DV or in Anita blake potterlovingash says, No, you wouldn't. {Evil Eye to Al} € michelleapostolides says, Good, give me a chance to catch up ! Saitaina says, NO!! I be good now... *sits innocently, looking like an angel* € michelleapostolides says, Like I be good in a month. selah_1977 says, I read it, Al. selah_1977 says, Want me to tell you about it? catlady_de_venezia says, pr in TOGI? keithfras enters keithfras says, Hi all! potterlovingash says, Hi Keith catlady_de_venezia says, Hi Keith keithfras says, I just popped in to say I'm still alive and back at university. catlady_de_venezia says, is it after midnigt 4 u? keithfras says, Oh, and I spent 12 hours of today playing Dungeons and Dragons. Phew. keithfras says, Yes, it is. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Read ToGi, Eb? Saitaina says, Oh, and for those who chose not to read the latest part for my story "the End of the Begining" I'll give you a summery, there's a feast, someone dies and someone freaks out over they're dark mark. There Rita, no need to read it and catch up potterlovingash says, A day well spent Keith. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I thought you were off Barb catorman leaves € michelleapostolides says, 12 hours ? keithfras says, Loads of people are screaming at Barb because of that chapter. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Ouch keithfras says, Yep. Count them. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Keith I haven't read it. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, So say anything else and I will not be happy Saitaina says, No screaming...good chapter, lovely chapter...want more chapter like it catlady_de_venezia says, i should be working on MY fic...... potterlovingash says, Yeah, Al's slow. He was out prancing in the countryside instead of reading ToGI keithfras says, Let's just say she did something very unexpected. I loved it personally. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I can't help being at university keithfras says, Here here, Saitaina! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Keith, even hints are annoying Saitaina says, I thought it was a great move and well done, much better then others of the type I've seen keithfras hides from Al's wrath selah_1977 says, Hey, Keith! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, And you really wouldn't want me to hold back ToT, would you selah_1977 says, Yes, I read ToGI... Saitaina says, Well go read it instead of yelling at us so we can talk keithfras says, Hi, Eb! Did you like my Top Ten on HP_Paradise? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Oooh selah_1977 says, I am off Barb. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Handbags at dawn. selah_1977 says, But since I DID found the list... selah_1977 says, OH! keithfras says, Why, Eb? selah_1977 says, Keith, LOVED it! Saitaina says, € michelleapostolides says, Hey, Al staYS selah_1977 says, Thanks, thanks, thanks! selah_1977 says, Sorry for all the piggy men. selah_1977 says, Better men are coming soon. selah_1977 says, Next chapter, for instance. keithfras says, That's OK, especially if there was a good reason. michelleapostolides leaves michelleapostolides enters € michelleapostolides says, Huh ? keithfras says, So Al, speaking of ToT, when can we expected more of Keith The Vintner and Sinead The Shrink? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I'm going to read it tomorrow. michelleapostolides leaves michelleapostolides enters catlady_de_venezia says, You didn't miss anything when pushed out of chat room catlady_de_venezia says, either time selah_1977 says, Al, this is her best chapter in a long time. keithfras says, Hey Rita, love your latest Avatar. € michelleapostolides says, I am well confused tonight. selah_1977 says, I like the AU stuff. Saitaina says, Very best selah_1977 says, OOPS! keithfras says, Eb - ssssh! selah_1977 says, Will shut up now. keithfras says, potterlovingash says, Ebony's being a spoil sport catlady_de_venezia says, Thank you Keith, Saitaina says, HAHAHAHA!!! beccafly7 says, LOL! Saitaina says, shoulda added the spoiler warning eb catorman enters keithfras says, Well, I'd better go. I need my "beauty" sleep - 9am lectures again. catlady_the_lost enters, just to show off another avatar € michelleapostolides says, OK Night keith potterlovingash says, Bye Keith keithfras says, Yee, Tensor Properties of Materials first thing on a Monday. Fun. catlady_the_lost says, bye bye Keith selah_1977 says, Aww... Keith! Saitaina says, bye hun selah_1977 says, We'll miss you. keithfras jumps into X-Wing selah_1977 says, Bye-e! keithfras flies off into the binary sunset keithfras says, May the Force be with you! selah_1977 says, I miss Oxford... sniff... selah_1977 says, Bye! keithfras leaves € michelleapostolides says, ebony you will be back, € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Lectures ... ha! potterlovingash says, I second that "Ha" Al € the_phantom_schnoogler sleep well, Keith € michelleapostolides says, ebony you will be back, Saitaina says, I third that Ha and raise you a huh? potterlovingash says, Eb's not going.... catlady_de_venezia says, waht kind of Ha is that, the kind that had Dai failing his end of year exams? € michelleapostolides says, No, I mean she'll come baqck to the UK catlady_de_venezia leaves catlady_the_lost leaves (both my connections fell down. Saitaina was kind enough to save from here to **** for me while I found another connection) potterlovingash says, Perhaps.... or perhaps it's the kind that caused Ashley to do no work all weekend and instead prance around NYC with Cass. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Grr € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I did that before Barb, and more subtly, too. selah_1977 says, OH! selah_1977 says, Why are you grring? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I had Lily with child at the time of her death in Dracaena. selah_1977 says, Right right! € michelleapostolides says, http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1585000/1585636.stm potterlovingash says, Don't pull that "She took that idea from....." There are thousands of repeat ideas € michelleapostolides says, text of Bin Laden diatribe € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I'm sorry, I don't get this fic. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, What's she doing? potterlovingash says, How so Al? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Yeah, I know she didn't read DDO and use ideas. selah_1977 says, That's what a lot of people said Al. selah_1977 says, But... selah_1977 says, I'm sure she'll write her way out of it. potterlovingash says, I don't like having to balance two scenarios in my head. Too much work € catorman says (in Zodiac Signs: Arial Special G1), Right, off to bed. beccafly7 says, Michelle: I was the most frightened when Bin Ladin called the bombing terrorism. Everyone is so hypocritical...sigh... € catorman says (still in Arial Special G1), Night everyone. Saitaina says, Night love € michelleapostolides says, Night catherine beccafly7 says, g'night! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Okay, she's losing me. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, She's losing me. selah_1977 says, Night dearie! selah_1977 says, Catherine--email sometime! selah_1977 says, Bye! selah_1977 says, Al, really??? selah_1977 says, Wow! € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Harry just veered so wildly out of character for me, I'm not sure if I can go on reading. selah_1977 says, Oh, really? Just now? € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I'm in a Lori situation again. selah_1977 says, *raises eyebrow* selah_1977 says, Wow--that bad, eh? catorman leaves catorman enters selah_1977 says, This isn't being recorded, so be honest. Saitaina says, *giggles at Eb* € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I also did Harry looking in on his parent's 'last night.' € the_phantom_schnoogler says, But that's irrelevant. selah_1977 says, LOL! selah_1977 says, Wow... € the_phantom_schnoogler says, It's too quick, too easy. Harry would simply *not do this.* selah_1977 says, So did Wotan... in "Yours and Yours and Yours." selah_1977 says, Then say so. potterlovingash says, Feels to me that I have to dump all my back knowledge from PS to understand what's going on in ToGI catorman leaves € the_phantom_schnoogler says, So either something big is coming. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Bigger than what is happening. selah_1977 says, This is actually the first chapter I liked since PS26. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, ToT8 - Draco hides behind a hawthorn bush in the garden. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, ToGi 3 - Harry hides behind a rosebush in the garden. selah_1977 leaves Your buddy selah_1977 leaves chat potterlovingash says, {rolls eyes at Al} catlady_de_los_angeles enters € the_phantom_schnoogler says, Okay, I know there're a finite amount of plots to go round. € michelleapostolides says, Alex, are you implying something here ? catlady_de_los_angeles says, meow Your buddy selah_1977 has gone off pager € the_phantom_schnoogler says, I know Barb would never knowingly rip off any other fics. stacey_aka_phatgirl enters € the_phantom_schnoogler says, However, it does sometimes seem a bit of a slap in the face when other people do things you did. € the_phantom_schnoogler says, You see where I'm coming from here? ********* potterlovingash: OH Al! Sheesh. This is why I will never write fan fiction michelleapostolides: I need to put something on the table here the_phantom_schnoogler: Are you actually *that* cross with me? potterlovingash: No, not cross potterlovingash: Just tickled selah_1977 joined the room the_phantom_schnoogler: Hmm, I see why you would be, I really do. selah_1977: What's up? potterlovingash: Al's being a pain selah_1977: Hey, Stacey! Didn't see you come in... stacey_aka_phatgirl: Ebony! i just got in. michelleapostolides: Are we so absolutely niggled by the wait for OOTP thast we let fanfic become more meaningful than it actually is ? selah_1977: What's up with cute ickle Al? the_phantom_schnoogler: I'm not being a pain. the_phantom_schnoogler left the room selah_1977: What's WRONG? sylph_in_the_sea joined the room the_phantom_schnoogler joined the room selah_1977: Someone clue me in... hey, Sylph! the_phantom_schnoogler: Not intentionally anyway selah_1977: Al, what's going on? sylph_in_the_sea: hi there eb! catlady_de_los_angeles: Hi Kabuki (Nancy, is it?) sylph_in_the_sea: yup! how'd you know? the_phantom_schnoogler: Hi Sylph. potterlovingash: Yeah... you better watch it Al or I will call off my operatives in Operation: Kiss Al sylph_in_the_sea: hi the_phantom_schnoogler: Didja get the beta doc through? michelleapostolides: I mean, let me check. Isn't fanfic written for pleasure ? catlady_de_los_angeles: You told someone last week and I was listening stacey_aka_phatgirl: start from the beginning! sylph_in_the_sea: Al, you switch sn every week the_phantom_schnoogler: Sorry sylph_in_the_sea: ohhhhhhhh yeah! sylph_in_the_sea: I haven't checked my email in 2 weeks....... sylph_in_the_sea: I will start lookign at it tonight stacey_aka_phatgirl: sigh. will no one tell us who's pissed at who for what? the_phantom_schnoogler: Oh wow, that's big! the_phantom_schnoogler: That's very interesting. the_phantom_schnoogler: Unlikely, and still very ooc, but interesting. potterlovingash: Not pissed. Al was being nit picky about parallel itty bitty details stacey_aka_phatgirl: but that's good though, isn't it? the_phantom_schnoogler: I explained my point of view quite clearly and sensibly, I think. sylph_in_the_sea: lol potterlovingash: Sure. More power to Al the_phantom_schnoogler: There is no element of plagiarism at all, or anything like that. sylph_in_the_sea: so waht story are we talking about? potterlovingash: Barb's new chapter michelleapostolides: why has the fun got out of fanfic ? sylph_in_the_sea: ooooo yeah! selah_1977 is confused stacey_aka_phatgirl: (agrees with michelle) selah_1977: Michelle--I think it's still there. sylph_in_the_sea: didn't harry realize that selah_1977: It's fun to nitpick. potterlovingash: *dances for chat room to put fun back in the world* potterlovingash: *trips* selah_1977: sylph_in_the_sea: voldie demanded lily to raise harry as a servant? stacey_aka_phatgirl: (boogies with ashley) the_phantom_schnoogler: And Barb's a better writer than I'll ever be. catlady_de_los_angeles: if I could get back into cheetah I would join Ashleys' dance stacey_aka_phatgirl: oh shush, Alex catlady_de_los_angeles: Al don;t put your writing down michelleapostolides: But Ebs, every time we get to talking about fanfic lately, something horrible comes into it. sylph_in_the_sea: what do you mean? stacey_aka_phatgirl: here's something horrible: Chapter Six, "A Tower with a View"... catlady_de_los_angeles: where is that posted? michelleapostolides: Well, with all the ff.net stuff and people saying they don't want cameos and Newbie Intimidation Squads. stacey_aka_phatgirl: Harry woke up. A meteor hits Hogwarts. Everyone dies. Harry and Draco's love remains unrequited. The End. the_phantom_schnoogler: Oh, now I'm loving this. the_phantom_schnoogler: I adore AUs the_phantom_schnoogler: I take most of it back. sylph_in_the_sea: Newbie Intimidation Squads?!?!?!?!?!?!??! the_phantom_schnoogler: Stacey, don't you dare stacey_aka_phatgirl: the_phantom_schnoogler: I will hunt you down, I swear it. stacey_aka_phatgirl: the_phantom_schnoogler: Michelle - I think it's just the fandom maturing. selah_1977: Right. the_phantom_schnoogler: Learning to stand upright on its own - we're just teething. selah_1977: We were young and innocent. michelleapostolides: Al if this is maturity, then bring back childhood. selah_1977: *sings Michael Jackson's "Remember the Time"* beccafly7: I will make no comment on age, I will make no comment on age... selah_1977: LOL! stacey_aka_phatgirl: no, it's a natural life cycle. Everyone's all excited and inclusive in the beginning, then the fandom fragments into specific interests, then everyone closes ranks, but then everyone will realise the error of their ways and become friendly again. No big deal. michelleapostolides: Becca I'm nearly 30 potterlovingash: *turns 20 on Tuesday* Whoo Hoo beccafly7: And I'm nearly 14. sylph_in_the_sea: same here, becca!!!!!!! the_phantom_schnoogler: I do hope so catlady_de_los_angeles: I'll be 44 in November... Michelle, can I say I'm old enough to be your mother? the_phantom_schnoogler: This fic is incredible, incidentally. the_phantom_schnoogler: I'm amazed. sylph_in_the_sea: which? the_phantom_schnoogler: ToGi the_phantom_schnoogler: 3 michelleapostolides: Only if you'd had me young rita ! sylph_in_the_sea: ToGi? catlady_de_los_angeles: Barb's latet: Time of Good Intentions sylph_in_the_sea: ohhhhh yeah stacey_aka_phatgirl: are they still sex gods and goddesses? beccafly7: Going to eat dinner...bye everyone! potterlovingash: Wait, but Al, you have to explain to me how it gets back on track. sylph_in_the_sea: acronyms confuse me catlady_de_los_angeles: by by Becca sylph_in_the_sea: no! harry turns into a geek! lol potterlovingash: Not that it's off track, wrong phrase beccafly7 left the room sylph_in_the_sea: bye, becca selah_1977: Stace, are you reading ToGI? the_phantom_schnoogler: It gets on track for me because I really like a good, well done AU selah_1977: I admire Barb, if nothing else. selah_1977: She's got people talking! selah_1977: So you like it after all, Al? stacey_aka_phatgirl: no, not yet, I haven't read the other fics sylph_in_the_sea: I think she's a great writer selah_1977: LOL! potterlovingash: So do we ditch the old universe.... I never understand how that works sylph_in_the_sea: but I didn't like her chapter 3 as much...it didn't seem as polished sylph_in_the_sea: the_phantom_schnoogler: And Barb is an exceptional writer anyway, so she can pull it off - even if she had to go through that complete suspension of belief bit there, which I didn't like. sylph_in_the_sea: I think harry has all his memories from the previous universe stacey_aka_phatgirl: (argh! reminds self that she hasn't read PL1 yet) sylph_in_the_sea: like a Giver sort of thing selah_1977: That's OK, Stacey. potterlovingash: hmm. michelleapostolides: Oh did you read that book too ? selah_1977: Don't force it... I will still love you if you never read it! stacey_aka_phatgirl: I'll probably read it tonight, actually. I'm just trying to polish up something first. sylph_in_the_sea: yes...just last year sylph_in_the_sea: last year I had my little Utopia stage the_phantom_schnoogler: Oh God no! selah_1977: WHAT now? sylph_in_the_sea: where I read all these depressing society books michelleapostolides: I wish Lowry had fleshed it out more. potterlovingash: What are you NOing sylph_in_the_sea: after a while they were all the same sylph_in_the_sea: good, but still the same catlady_de_los_angeles meows at Al sylph_in_the_sea: !! stacey_aka_phatgirl: gives Rita kitty treats sylph_in_the_sea: lol catlady_de_los_angeles thanks stacey michelleapostolides: Group schnoogle time please! selah_1977: GAH! stacey_aka_phatgirl: really? sylph_in_the_sea: lol eb stacey_aka_phatgirl: I mean really, group schnoogle? the_phantom_schnoogler schnoogles group the_phantom_schnoogler: awww catlady_de_los_angeles in cat form, twines among calves of all people in group schnoogle michelleapostolides: Yes. selah_1977: No, no! There are the CUTEST British guys ABC just interviewed about their reaction to the strikes! selah_1977: *melts* stacey_aka_phatgirl: stacey distributes fuzzy blankets selah_1977: That's it! sylph_in_the_sea: lol! selah_1977: I am applying for the Fulbright RIGHT NOW! sylph_in_the_sea: I know! In england there were all these hot brits on the streets sylph_in_the_sea: in america...there's.... stacey_aka_phatgirl: all these hot brits just lying around... catlady_de_los_angeles: hot brits on the streest sylph_in_the_sea: none...well, not as many in ann arbor michelleapostolides: If there are so many hot Brits, where's mine ? selah_1977: *laughing so hard her tummy hurts!* sylph_in_the_sea: yes...I only saw one non-hot brit...and he was stalking me stacey_aka_phatgirl: boys are always cuter anywhere you don't live. sylph_in_the_sea: lol stacey...so true selah_1977: Stacey, why is that so? LOL! stacey_aka_phatgirl: all the cute boys moved away two weeks after I moved to Vancouver. sylph_in_the_sea: lol! selah_1977: And no, Brits are cute... selah_1977: These guys were gorgeous and the accent! selah_1977: these Brits, I meant. stacey_aka_phatgirl: what about the teeth? michelleapostolides: But they are only cute until they speak..... catlady_de_los_angeles: Brits are cute in new York and Los Angeles, too sylph_in_the_sea: ohh yeah stacey_aka_phatgirl: *their selah_1977: Didn't see the teeth... LOL! selah_1977: Yeah, that is a problem, isn't it? catlady_de_los_angeles: who cares about teeth? selah_1977: LOL! sylph_in_the_sea: yurgh selah_1977: Can't we get the accent without the teeth? stacey_aka_phatgirl: brit boys have sylph_in_the_sea: they could have a muppet-brit accent then selah_1977: LOL! selah_1977: MUPPET? sylph_in_the_sea: yes...no teeth makes you muppety selah_1977: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! selah_1977: "hi-ho, this is Kermit D. Frog..." sylph_in_the_sea: sylph_in_the_sea: lol the_phantom_schnoogler: I'll just sit this out, shall I? sylph_in_the_sea: "why are there so many songs about rainbow..." sylph_in_the_sea: lol, Al the_phantom_schnoogler: I'll have you know I have very nice teeth. potterlovingash left the room potterlovingash joined the room potterlovingash: You know, Al is a cute Brit boy stacey_aka_phatgirl: as you are a cute brit, you'll have to sit it out, Alex sylph_in_the_sea: I have braces on my teeth...they will be nice and straight sylph_in_the_sea: when I get them off selah_1977: Al is adorable! selah_1977: Didn't tell him that until I was safely back in the U.S., though. selah_1977: sylph_in_the_sea: lol sylph_in_the_sea: I don't believe I've seen a picture of Al sylph_in_the_sea: wait, yes I have! Al, you looked so different heiditandy joined the room sylph_in_the_sea: between HPFanfiction and heiditandy: am back sylph_in_the_sea: the London list selah_1977: wb! potterlovingash: Hi Heidi! Harry in bed? sylph_in_the_sea: hi there, heidi heiditandy: he is in slumberland potterlovingash: ahhh heiditandy: but I can only stay until aaron is off phone... stacey_aka_phatgirl: itty bitty sleepy baby heiditandy schnoogles many people stacey_aka_phatgirl: Ebony, I admire your willpower heiditandy: not baby. knows-his-own-mind-and-recognizes-HP-at-10-paces BOY catlady_de_los_angeles: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_FanFiction/files/Member%20Pics/Egroup3.JPG stacey_aka_phatgirl: hugs heidi the_phantom_schnoogler: Thanks, Rita the_phantom_schnoogler: (irony) the_phantom_schnoogler: That's me on a Harry day sylph_in_the_sea: lol michelleapostolides: He looks better in the Oxford pics. selah_1977: He is lovely. selah_1977: And he actually touched an umbrella I own. sylph_in_the_sea: what a beautiful boy selah_1977: I am going to auction it off at the FictionAlley Park. sylph_in_the_sea: lol, ebony! potterlovingash: You could put it on EBay selah_1977: OOH! selah_1977: Better and better! the_phantom_schnoogler left the room the_phantom_schnoogler joined the room heiditandy: cassie & I are goingt o make an Evil Diorama - ashley - wanna help? - and auction it on ebay for charity stacey_aka_phatgirl: that's a very cute pic of Alex. i haven't seen that one before. catlady_de_los_angeles: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-London/files/july%20photos/neil-catherine-al_s.jpg potterlovingash: I am armed and ready to make the Diorama heiditandy: cool! stacey_aka_phatgirl: When I happened upon the evil diorama in DV2, I nearly laughed up a lung sylph_in_the_sea: lol! catlady_de_los_angeles: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-London/files/july%20photos/everyone.jpg heiditandy: brits, it seems, do not make dioramas. Poor them. catlady_de_los_angeles: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-London/files/cathbbq2.JPG potterlovingash: Pity really, tis a true life skill sylph_in_the_sea: I am not enjoying this table of elements hw... michelleapostolides: Heidi what is a diorama Saitaina: Alright guys, I gotta go sylph_in_the_sea: awwww bye catlady_de_los_angeles: by Saitaina stacey_aka_phatgirl: bye, sait selah_1977 left the room Saitaina: bye loves *hugs to all* heiditandy goes to look for pics of dioramas michelleapostolides: Night sait Saitaina left the room sylph_in_the_sea: hey, why'd ebony leave? catlady_de_los_angeles: Heidi, seriously, I have to decide quickly whether to go to NYC to see those museums shows, help me mdecide sylph_in_the_sea: a diorama...like a little model of something potterlovingash: You MUST come to NYC catlady_de_los_angeles: Michelle, a diorama is a 3 D model of an event or place sylph_in_the_sea: put in a cardboard box sylph_in_the_sea: right-on, rita michelleapostolides: Oh. Right. stacey_aka_phatgirl: think of little scale models of historical battles that you see in museums catlady_de_los_angeles: in our natural history museum, the taxidermed animals are arranged in family groups in a model of their environment, trees and stuff, that;s a diorama michelleapostolides: Thanks Rita. potterlovingash: My first diorama was under the sea.... it was in first grade. I had fish that floated (ie: attatched with strings) the_phantom_schnoogler: Scarf? the_phantom_schnoogler: Gimme a link again, quick sylph_in_the_sea: a little late, Al! lol! potterlovingash: It's not a scarf, it's his jacket I think stacey_aka_phatgirl: a gryffindor scart, I believe stacey_aka_phatgirl: *scarf potterlovingash: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_FanFiction/files/Member%20Pics/Egroup3.JPG the_phantom_schnoogler: Ah, yes the_phantom_schnoogler: That's part of my coat the_phantom_schnoogler has a nice leather jacket now potterlovingash: Ooh. Trying to impress Draco, Al? sylph_in_the_sea: lol! selah_1977 joined the room sylph_in_the_sea: welcome back heiditandy: erk. cannot find any English Class dioramas from Gone wIth the wind or anything catlady_de_los_angeles: I would have thought you'd have been proud of your Gryffindor colors.... selah_1977: Is "eventuality a word"? stacey_aka_phatgirl: oh, I see now. on myy monitor it looks like gryffindor stripes. sylph_in_the_sea: no, but eventually is michelleapostolides: Yes it is Eb stacey_aka_phatgirl: how did Simon's event go, btw? Did he talk about it while I wasn't around? sylph_in_the_sea: really? the_phantom_schnoogler: Yael posted a different version, hang on heiditandy: in elem. school, you do dioramas in shoeboxes sylph_in_the_sea: wow sylph_in_the_sea: with green eyes, right? selah_1977: I just came in to say that I need to wash my hair and do Other Hygienic Things. michelleapostolides: I'm sure eventuality is a word. catlady_de_los_angeles: eventuality -- in the eventuality that the chat is cancelled,,,,, I think it is oneof those nonp-words tht people use anyway selah_1977: Will be back in about 15 minutes. heiditandy: eb - did you get your Harry POtter shampoo yet? selah_1977: DON'T ALL LEAVE! selah_1977: OOH! sylph_in_the_sea: hp shampoo! the_phantom_schnoogler: I probably will be leaving Eb selah_1977: OOH OOH! heiditandy: we got the Hand Soap yesterday - and the toothpaste and toothbrushes have been ordered sylph_in_the_sea: hey has anyone called theatres and reserved for the movie yet? the_phantom_schnoogler: See you around if I do the_phantom_schnoogler: Not yet selah_1977: You don't mean to say that I can shower with Harry, too? sylph_in_the_sea: lol the_phantom_schnoogler: Was that Neil's job, Michelle? selah_1977: Oh, that sounded bad. selah_1977: Let me rephrase. sylph_in_the_sea: yes sylph_in_the_sea: lol michelleapostolides: Al whas what neil's job ? sylph_in_the_sea: shower with harry and his firebolt broomstick... sylph_in_the_sea: goodness selah_1977: You don't mean to say that HP merchandise extends to bath stuff? selah_1977: Now, YOU said that, Sylph, not I. the_phantom_schnoogler: To book the tickets sylph_in_the_sea: lol catlady_de_los_angeles: erlier Heidi posted URL for HP toothpaste and toothbrush on drugstore.comp selah_1977: michelleapostolides: I think so. Not 100% selah_1977: Next they'll have the HP logo George Foreman grill. michelleapostolides: sure how we left it the_phantom_schnoogler: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP_FanFiction/files/Member%20Pics/Al.jpg sylph_in_the_sea: If I bought any bath stuff I would never use it heiditandy: I can go find it again... the_phantom_schnoogler: That's Yael's version selah_1977: And the HP Lawn Mower. sylph_in_the_sea: the HP tv selah_1977: And the HP Snowblower... sylph_in_the_sea: the hp drinking straws stacey_aka_phatgirl: wizard!Alex the_phantom_schnoogler: Bath mats selah_1977: LOL! the_phantom_schnoogler: Toilet paper sylph_in_the_sea: lol! potterlovingash: hee hee, has just found a bunch of instructional sites on "Easy to Make Dioramas" selah_1977: TOILET PAPER! sylph_in_the_sea: tissues the_phantom_schnoogler: It'll be like Spaceballs selah_1977: HA HA HA HA! selah_1977: How come I'm not in on the Evil Diorama? michelleapostolides: Al who is doing the toilet paper ? selah_1977: *cries* sylph_in_the_sea: nobody knows the troubles I've seen........ selah_1977: *feels neglected* heiditandy: hp toiletries - http://www.drugstore.com/templates/brand/default.asp?brand=22688 the_phantom_schnoogler: HP toilet paper comes in Snape, Voldemort or Draco 'flavour' heiditandy: eb - come to NYC! selah_1977: Thanks, Heidi! sylph_in_the_sea: ewwy! potterlovingash: schnoogles Eb heiditandy: ashley - url? potterlovingash: http://www.abcteach.com/abcbabysit/Projects/dioramas.htm selah_1977: I swear, I am about to leave teaching and just work for HP fandom. sylph_in_the_sea: yeech...snape flavor all gray and greasy... sylph_in_the_sea: sorry to all snape fans the_phantom_schnoogler: Not much money in it selah_1977: Can't people actually work for fandoms? heiditandy: eb - I'm with you! selah_1977: Like the really big ones? the_phantom_schnoogler: I don't think JK would like the toilet paper much sylph_in_the_sea: can they? the_phantom_schnoogler: Oh yes sylph_in_the_sea: I dont', either, Al selah_1977: I vote Heidi for CEO... the_phantom_schnoogler: Star Trek, for instance potterlovingash: I second! the_phantom_schnoogler: I third michelleapostolides: I can be translator catlady_de_los_angeles: Eb, only via the copyright owner: you could work for WB on fan relations sylph_in_the_sea: I thirteenth the_phantom_schnoogler: I can be the tea boy selah_1977: I want to organize all the Regional Clubs into Real Entities. sylph_in_the_sea: I can be floor waxer selah_1977: So I have an excuse to travel. michelleapostolides: Translator's tea boy !!! stacey_aka_phatgirl: I'm feeling a bit parched. Where's that damned tea boy got to? heiditandy: I want to go to WB & make products for grownups & mature teens selah_1977: And then I can be Heid's secretary. the_phantom_schnoogler: Simon can be the troubleshooting consultant selah_1977: Ooh, Heidi! selah_1977: Great idea. the_phantom_schnoogler: Cassie can be God. the_phantom_schnoogler: It all makes sense sylph_in_the_sea: lol selah_1977: AL! the_phantom_schnoogler: We should start a religion. selah_1977: * laughs SO hard her tummy hurts!( selah_1977: No, no! catlady_de_los_angeles: Now we will all use the idea of Voldemort toiloet paper in our fics and hurt Al;s feelings ... do Brits call it toilet paper? stacey_aka_phatgirl: dibs on mindless administrative work sylph_in_the_sea: ohm....h a r r y the_phantom_schnoogler: Loo paper, toilet paper etc michelleapostolides: Bog roll heiditandy: nah, stacey has to host the nc17 version of the fandom sylph_in_the_sea: bog roll! the_phantom_schnoogler: We'll need swanky offices in a nice part of London. selah_1977: OK--need shampoo/shower. brb... Al, if I don't see you later (cries!) take care and stay out of trouble! stacey_aka_phatgirl: oh, okay!!!! the_phantom_schnoogler: With a penthouse office for heidi heiditandy: we need swanky offices between a bookstore & record shoppe selah_1977: Ooh, exactly! the_phantom_schnoogler: okay, see ya Eb catlady_de_los_angeles: byby Eb the_phantom_schnoogler: And a basement cubbyhole for me selah_1977: Can I work out of Oxfordshire? selah_1977: Bye-e! stacey_aka_phatgirl: ciao ebby-ebster the_phantom_schnoogler: Sure selah_1977: Will be back (I hope). sylph_in_the_sea: bye-bye, ebony selah_1977 left the room catlady_de_los_angeles: swanky ancient offices in Oxford heiditandy: oh my - http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/detail?prodid=163639&previousURI=/CVSApp/cvs/gateway/search?ActiveCat=499^Query=harry+potter heiditandy: kiwi melon hair detangler the_phantom_schnoogler: I prefer London michelleapostolides: Yuck Only like London for meetups stacey_aka_phatgirl: Alex, you can be tea and mail-boy, and we can sexually harass you ever time you come around with the cart the_phantom_schnoogler: Cool sylph_in_the_sea: lol the_phantom_schnoogler: Can I be a well paid tea boy, though? sylph_in_the_sea: you'd get big tips potterlovingash: Oh, we'll tip the_phantom_schnoogler: And have an expense account for leather goods potterlovingash: Of course the_phantom_schnoogler: Good the_phantom_schnoogler: The weird, unsociable student who nobody ever sees just walked past. the_phantom_schnoogler: He's weird the_phantom_schnoogler: And plays bad music too loud potterlovingash: Oh... Poor weird unsocialble student catlady_de_los_angeles: I'm not sure I understand the concept of selling HARRY hair detangler when Harry clearly does not use a hair detangler... catlady_de_los_angeles: Al: weirder than HP fans? the_phantom_schnoogler: Maybe Draco potterlovingash: Maybe he justs needs a night out to the local pub the_phantom_schnoogler: Yes, I think so. potterlovingash: Cured my weekend worries sylph_in_the_sea: how is he weird? the_phantom_schnoogler: I'm just one of those strange, unfathomable people who objects to having Eminem being pumped through my bedroom floor when I'm trying to write sylph_in_the_sea: urgh the_phantom_schnoogler: He just spends all day in his room not doing anything. sylph_in_the_sea: i dont' like eminem....just some of the backrounds heiditandy: guys -have to go,.,,, sylph_in_the_sea: not anything? heiditandy left the room sylph_in_the_sea: just staring? catlady_de_los_angeles: by by Heidi the_phantom_schnoogler: Plays music loud, then yelled at us last night for talking about Afghanistan at 3 am potterlovingash: Poor boy. Ashley's new mission, Find Boy and Glomp him the_phantom_schnoogler: Bye Heidi stacey_aka_phatgirl: ah... student living. sylph_in_the_sea: I was wondering if he ever talked....guess he does the_phantom_schnoogler: Everyone else is nice. the_phantom_schnoogler: Sophie'd been cutting all the HP articles out of the papers for me over the summer the_phantom_schnoogler: Smart girl potterlovingash: My roommate (strange girl I don't know) NEVER leaves the room but to go to class. She sits in here all day and all night working. sylph_in_the_sea: who is sophie? sylph_in_the_sea: working on what? michelleapostolides: Al, did you not get a house with friends ? the_phantom_schnoogler: No the_phantom_schnoogler: potterlovingash: Who knows? How can one have that much work?? stacey_aka_phatgirl: ugh. that's rough. the_phantom_schnoogler: I had a load of prats lat sylph_in_the_sea: lat? the_phantom_schnoogler: *last year, only one of whom I would have liked to have shared with michelleapostolides: How much ahve you paid out ? potterlovingash: prats lat?? the_phantom_schnoogler: It was a typo, okay? potterlovingash: what's a prat sylph_in_the_sea: ljerk the_phantom_schnoogler: prat = idiot michelleapostolides: morons. potterlovingash: ah potterlovingash: Not a New Mexico term... oh no. Have to integrate that one sylph_in_the_sea: living with ppl is very different from hanging with them the_phantom_schnoogler: This bunch are really nice, though. catlady_de_los_angeles: working day abnd night; hermione if shehadn;t learned better from Ron and Harry the_phantom_schnoogler: We seem to all get on. sylph_in_the_sea: yessirreerita michelleapostolides: Except for wierdo guy above you ! the_phantom_schnoogler: Yup catlady_de_los_angeles: 'prat' is britishicism, in USA used only as part of 'pratfall' the_phantom_schnoogler: I'm no good at making friends anyway. potterlovingash: Ha! I don't believe that Al michelleapostolides: Hang on, what about all the meet ups in the summer then ? stacey_aka_phatgirl: oh, hush Alex. you make online friends just fine michelleapostolides: With us ? the_phantom_schnoogler: That's different. catlady_de_los_angeles: NO? I Thought yu mentioned having fans to hang with at univiersity and go clubbing or someting? michelleapostolides: How3 different ? potterlovingash: Stunning looks and super writing skills, {swoon} the_phantom_schnoogler: I've got friends here, I just don't seem to have as many as other students. the_phantom_schnoogler: I have aquaintances sylph_in_the_sea: I'd rather get a best friend again sylph_in_the_sea: then have al my acquaintences potterlovingash: What year are you Al? michelleapostolides: Al nobody has as many friends at Uni as they think they should. the_phantom_schnoogler: Well, me being me, I don't make friends - I find it very difficult to make first moves or just to talk to people. sylph_in_the_sea: same here the_phantom_schnoogler: Online, that factor is kinda removed. stacey_aka_phatgirl: doesn't matter. there's so many people you meet at university... I didn't have very good university friends until my fourth year or so sylph_in_the_sea: I'm a listener around most people the_phantom_schnoogler: Second potterlovingash: Me too. And I found I know so many more people this year michelleapostolides: It took me a year to make a good friend. and I was just her chief bridesmaid. sylph_in_the_sea: people are always different online stacey_aka_phatgirl: true. i'm glamorous online. potterlovingash: It's like a pyramid. You build your friendships each year. the_phantom_schnoogler: I guess sylph_in_the_sea: I actually talk with People Older Than I ( atleast 4 years) stacey_aka_phatgirl: see? I'd never say "I'm glamorous" in real life. the_phantom_schnoogler: But you all know how it is. Everyone else always seems to be having more fun than you are. sylph_in_the_sea: lol potterlovingash: Oh of course stacey_aka_phatgirl: oh, poor little 19-year-old-cute-boy=who-never-has-fun Alex michelleapostolides: At the end of the day, what is percieved to be fun usually isn't. the_phantom_schnoogler: When in reality, most people are equally depressed about their social lives. the_phantom_schnoogler: I do have fun the_phantom_schnoogler: This is fun. michelleapostolides: I klnow. the_phantom_schnoogler: IHad plenty of fun today. potterlovingash: Like right now.... I wonder how many people are out at The West End (uni pub) while I am in my room getting over a massive hangover and having just as much fun talking to you all the_phantom_schnoogler: Exactly. the_phantom_schnoogler: Shouldn't I be down on the seafront at some club michelleapostolides: What I mean is, at the end of the day, I can rememebereach time I went to a pub at Uni beca michelleapostolides: because I didn't go very often. potterlovingash: I'm going to be one of those people michelleapostolides: But I'd rather be able to remember each time than it all be a blur. sylph_in_the_sea: I don't like alchohol very much...but I'm still young potterlovingash: Exactly! the_phantom_schnoogler: You will. the_phantom_schnoogler: I hated it this time last year. sylph_in_the_sea: the only kind I am ever able to stand is Sake...lol catlady_de_los_angeles: You don;t have to like alcohol. You can be very popular as a designated driver. michelleapostolides: Moderation is key. potterlovingash: I never went out this time last year the_phantom_schnoogler: First time I went to the pub at uni I only managed a pint and then was sick. stacey_aka_phatgirl: mmmm... sake potterlovingash: Oh Al.... sylph_in_the_sea: I will be a designated driver for no one michelleapostolides: Drink is not necessary, sylph_in_the_sea: sake is hilaroius the_phantom_schnoogler: Of course it's not necessary potterlovingash: Go to NYC where there are no drivers.... everyone stumbles down the streets stacey_aka_phatgirl: Alcohol isn't necessary. Dancing with cute boys, however, *is* necessary. michelleapostolides: Hate dancing. the_phantom_schnoogler: But not being in a position of actually having a problem with alcohol, I don't understand how it can get so out of hand and I don't understand abstention much, even though I quite admire it potterlovingash: I agree.... definately a lack of cute boys here. I think it's an Ivy League thing, the two concepts don't mix stacey_aka_phatgirl: Ivy league boys always have these really thich necks. michelleapostolides: I think I'm frightened of losing control, so I would hate to be pissed stacey_aka_phatgirl: *thick potterlovingash: I like moderation But that's usually because I'm broke the_phantom_schnoogler: Shit - it is absolutely pouring down out there the_phantom_schnoogler: Torrential the_phantom_schnoogler: And here I am, sitting in the basement michelleapostolides: Not here sylph_in_the_sea: does your basement leak? catlady_de_los_angeles: flooding is not good forthe computer the_phantom_schnoogler: I'll soon know sylph_in_the_sea: wouldn't that be mighty fun potterlovingash: Ick. Rain and I don't get along well. Comes from being raised in the desert I think. The rain in New York smells bad. sylph_in_the_sea: I love rain...in ann arbor sylph_in_the_sea: and other tree-like places the_phantom_schnoogler: Rain's nice, sometimes stacey_aka_phatgirl: how many people in your house, Alex? the_phantom_schnoogler: Stopped now the_phantom_schnoogler: 4 officially potterlovingash: Boys is rain drenched t-shirts are nice the_phantom_schnoogler: 6 technically potterlovingash: Is it actually a house? Do you have your own room? the_phantom_schnoogler: Yep stacey_aka_phatgirl: did y'all know that it rains more in Vancouver than it does in London? Just a little interesting geography fact from your friendly stacey. the_phantom_schnoogler: Tiny little Victorian terrace potterlovingash: grrr. I am quite envious the_phantom_schnoogler: It's like Coronation Street the_phantom_schnoogler: And we have cool multiple levels and stuff, cos I live on a hill the_phantom_schnoogler: Basement is sitting room, kitchen and bathroom. the_phantom_schnoogler: Street level is bedrooms, and so is the floor above. the_phantom_schnoogler: But the basement is at ground level at the back of the house - garden is much lower than the street potterlovingash: Wow. I live in a room on the 15th floor that's on a hall with a kitchen for 8 people and a bathroom for 16 people the_phantom_schnoogler: Kitchen for 8 ... ow sylph_in_the_sea: woah stacey_aka_phatgirl: classic Victorian terrace, minus the first floor drawing room potterlovingash: Indeed. Good reason for why I don't cook the_phantom_schnoogler: And all the houses on the street are different colours potterlovingash: Disgusting colors, or ones that blend sylph_in_the_sea left the room sylph_in_the_sea joined the room the_phantom_schnoogler: Yellows and greens and blues and stuff. stacey_aka_phatgirl: gotta go, kids... I have to send off stuff to beta and go to work. talk to y'all later this week... the_phantom_schnoogler: Brighton's like that sylph_in_the_sea: colors of what? the_phantom_schnoogler: Bye Stacey sylph_in_the_sea: bye-bye, stacey michelleapostolides: Nioghtt# potterlovingash: Bye Stacey stacey_aka_phatgirl: ciao, babies the_phantom_schnoogler: The houses stacey_aka_phatgirl left the room catlady_de_los_angeles: by by stavey michelleapostolides: I shoudl go too. It's late and I am shattered. the_phantom_schnoogler: I'm going to bed also michelleapostolides: Can someone telll Ebs goodnight for me please ? catlady_de_los_angeles: by by Michelle and Al catlady_de_los_angeles: hugs andn kisses the_phantom_schnoogler: I have to endure that bureaucratic nightmare that is registration tomorrow. the_phantom_schnoogler hugs room#] potterlovingash: Are you leaving me here to wait for Eb michelleapostolides: Yuck hated that bit. the_phantom_schnoogler: Nice to see you folks potterlovingash: Bye Al the_phantom_schnoogler: Byee the_phantom_schnoogler left the room potterlovingash: And then there were 4 michelleapostolides: Bugger missed him ! michelleapostolides: Ok am off too. Don't forget to tell Ebs goodnight ! sylph_in_the_sea: darn potterlovingash: Bye Michelle catlady_de_los_angeles: by by Michelle michelleapostolides left the room catlady_de_los_angeles: what about, Sylph? potterlovingash: Eb's going to be sad sylph_in_the_sea: everyone left sylph_in_the_sea: before I said goodbye sylph_in_the_sea: stupid math potterlovingash: I have to go to work now. I am a desk attendant for the boring door from 9pm to 1am. Best job in the world for doing homework. sylph_in_the_sea: lol catlady_de_los_angeles: boring door???? sylph_in_the_sea: goodbye, then potterlovingash: So tell Eb I said goodbye potterlovingash: Yeah, the one no one comes through sylph_in_the_sea: of course catlady_de_los_angeles: by by Ahseldy potterlovingash: Bye Guys sylph_in_the_sea: its' just me and you, rita! potterlovingash left the room catlady_de_los_angeles: and I don;t feel like I am a very entertaining person sylph_in_the_sea: why not? catlady_de_los_angeles: I am SO BEHIND on reading fanfic catlady_de_los_angeles: not to mentioning writing fanfic.... sylph_in_the_sea: lol sylph_in_the_sea: II hear ppl tlaking about sylph_in_the_sea: latest chapters sylph_in_the_sea: then I say "oh!" and go read catlady_de_los_angeles: and tghen we go read the ealier chapters that were p0osted months ago??? sylph_in_the_sea: yessirree! catlady_de_los_angeles: I haven't read anyone ToGI so I have NO IDEA what the conversation about chapter 3 was about sylph_in_the_sea: lol sylph_in_the_sea: it was not as well-written as her previous chapters, tho sylph_in_the_sea: I have all my mailing lists on webview sylph_in_the_sea: I just odn't have hte time in the school year sylph_in_the_sea: so I miss otu on all the conversations catlady_de_los_angeles: I read the mailing lists and miss out on the fanfic catlady_de_los_angeles: I don;t understand how people can keep u p with both.... espseically Heidi, who MUST be using a time turner! sylph_in_the_sea: I wish I had one@ sylph_in_the_sea: then I could take all the classes and catch up on al the sleep catlady_de_los_angeles: How long should we wait for Ebony to come back? sylph_in_the_sea: I don't know, perhaps another ten minutes sylph_in_the_sea: do your eally wait until everyoen is gone before you leave? sylph_in_the_sea: I coudl never! catlady_de_los_angeles: usually. last week all the chat software went buggy on me so I left even tho there were still 2 people talking and 1 other listed on the attendence list sylph_in_the_sea: oh, well catlady_de_los_angeles: tonight, cheetah suddently stopped working for me sylph_in_the_sea: big chat services are so confusing sylph_in_the_sea: really? sylph_in_the_sea: then what are you using? catlady_de_los_angeles: and YahooChat from the groups page suddently stopped working for me catlady_de_los_angeles: bt YahooChat from YahooMessenger is, thakn God(s), still working sylph_in_the_sea: ohhhh I see! catlady_de_los_angeles: altho' I can't figure out a way to use it to get into HP:1 other than entering some room that IS on their list and then /join sylph_in_the_sea: internet computer things are just confusing to me sylph_in_the_sea: hey... my screen isn't moving sylph_in_the_sea: oh, never ind catlady_de_los_angeles: confusing: like why does it get hung up just before the end of shutdown and never finish shutting down? sylph_in_the_sea: lol! sylph_in_the_sea: that's funny' sylph_in_the_sea: it's liek a little door-stopper catlady_de_los_angeles: magic. with bugs. sylph_in_the_sea: lol sylph_in_the_sea: little magical ladybugs catlady_de_los_angeles: I havent gone away, just lost all thoughts sylph_in_the_sea: lol sylph_in_the_sea: sorry to abandon you, rita, but I need serious help sylph_in_the_sea: wiht my math sylph_in_the_sea: so I have to leave catlady_de_los_angeles: by by sylph_in_the_sea: bye-bye, see you next week, bonne nuit! sylph_in_the_sea left the room