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From joy0823 at earthlink.net  Fri Sep  1 01:14:22 2000
From: joy0823 at earthlink.net (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:14:22 -0400
Subject: Done!
Message-ID: <013c01c013b1$f6fd2be0$0100000a@joywelan>

I finished my second set of messages, and put them in the database.  Is
there anything else you need from me, or should I unsubscribe?

~Joy~




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep  1 02:48:30 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:48:30 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Done!
References: <013c01c013b1$f6fd2be0$0100000a@joywelan>
Message-ID: <39AF18FE.828183ED@hic.net>

Hi Joy --


> I finished my second set of messages, and put them in the database.  Is
> there anything else you need from me, or should I unsubscribe?

Thanks so much for all your work!  Unless you want to hang out & hear us
bantering about FAQs for the next month or so, feel free to unsub.  <g>

Penny





From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  1 05:50:35 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 05:50:35 -0000
Subject: Questions
In-Reply-To: <20000831065905.7526.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8ong3b+bhj7@eGroups.com>

I forget that many of the Yahoo! sites do not have frames.  I like 
your idea of no frames with a directory bar at the top (in text).  
Simple is best and Yahoo! tends to keep their sites lean (yet 
cluttered).

This is your people's baby.  But I'd also stay away from Xoom.com.  
They load slow.

Paul


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com, Melanie Moore <ravenclawlady at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- Paul Kippes <kippesp at y...> wrote:
> 
> > What would be the drawback to using frames?
> > see http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/ for an example of a
> > simple and well-organized site.
> > 
> > I tend to dislike auto-opening links (adds clutter) and
> > javascript links (can't right-button click with mouse).
> > 
> > Paul
> 
> 
> I could do that as well, though I understand some users (such as
> WebTV) have a difficult time with frames, or simply don't like
> them.
> 
> I could, however, set it up like my own site (at
> http://www.geocities.com/ravenclawlady ).  By default, it is set
> up in frames, with the table of contents on the left, but it
> also offers the option of no frames.  For those who can't use
> frames (or choose not to), the home page has the same links as
> the TOC, and each page (except those pertaining to HP4GU) has a
> link back to it.
> 
> Melanie
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> http://mail.yahoo.com/




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep  1 09:18:05 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:18:05 -0000
Subject: Responding to various things 
Message-ID: <8ons8d+9uto@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

Firstly, deadlines.  I aim do as much as I can on the FAQs before the 
end of September, but I may have to postpone some of the work until 
after mid-October due to work commitments.  I will be the most busy
in the latter part of September, so I don't really want another 
deadline screaming at me then.

***

As for the FAQ site, I think Frames can be nice, but I also think we 
should avoid them and go for a straightforward system of nested
links, which we can sub-categorise and cross-link.  In other words, on 
the opening page, there would be some main categories, each linking to
the related categories, and perhaps some of those could be subdivided, 
with some of the subcategory pages listed in more than one main 
category. Having said that, my experience is limited to writing a bit 
of HTML and maintaining a few web sites from a Java-ignorant 
standpoint, so it may be more complicated than I think. 

Tables are quite nice for presentation of links, as in the
discussions table Melanie has on her site, because they look more 
interesting than just a long list of links.

***

Magical Beings, Magical Animals and Animagi should, perhaps, be 
treated separately, with any named characters appearing also
appearing under their own names, rather than under another grouping, 
like animal characters. 

Neil







From MMcNie at mmsa.com  Fri Sep  1 18:07:35 2000
From: MMcNie at mmsa.com (McNie, Margaret)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:07:35 -0700 
Subject: Me too - FINALLY!
Message-ID: <983C4669E4FED2119EE80001FAF833A367414E@XCHNGHQ1>


Good morning everyone,

I'm thrilled to report that I logged onto the internet last night for the
first time from my home PC. I finished my messages 3851-4200 and uploaded my
file. 

Now I will start work on my FAQs but I'm still waiting for some guidance on
what we want to include, etc. My two are people so do I include some basic
background like job, physical description, place in the story? Then a list
of FAQs or discussion points? Do we just summarize the thinking or include
specific messages? Do we need to note the message numbers? HELP!

The deadline sounds o.k. to shoot for. Having the machine at home will help
but I'm also trying to get ready for my trip so may overshoot the mark a
little. But I definitely need to be done before October 10th because I won't
be back until the end of the month. I'm going to need several weeks to catch
up on my message boards and to do the maintenance on my FAQs. Maybe I could
just ask everyone not to discuss Lupin or Dumbledore while I'm gone.



Margaret, who has 5 weeks and 4 days to go to her trip but who is already
starting to fidget




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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep  1 20:26:14 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:26:14 +0100
Subject: FAQ's
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGELHCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"Now I will start work on my FAQs but I'm still waiting for some guidance on
what we want to include, etc. My two are people so do I include some basic
background like job, physical description, place in the story? Then a list
of FAQs or discussion points? Do we just summarize the thinking or include
specific messages? Do we need to note the message numbers? HELP!"

I have quite a lot of people FAQ's to do (Weasley's, Dursley's, Riddle's and
Harry, not mentioning the pets); therefore I have been giving the format
much thought. I was planning to give a quick outline of the character, maybe
including a physical description or the person (if a good one can be found),
and then discussing some of the theories that have appeared on the group. I
was planning on quoting messages (giving an indication of message number and
author) where it seems appropriate. In the event that we have discussed
something that is answered in one the books then I will quote small amounts
of the messages and then the relevant bit from the books (again indicating
which book and chapter [1]).

"Tables are quite nice for presentation of links, as in the discussions
table Melanie has on her site, because they look more interesting than just
a long list of links."

If we are trying to avoid frames, for simplicity and ease of viewing
reasons, then we should try to avoid tables as well. The simpler the HTML is
the more people that can view the web site.

"Having said that, my experience is limited to writing a bit of HTML and
maintaining a few web sites from a Java-ignorant standpoint, so it may be
more complicated than I think."

I have written and maintained a few web sites but have no idea of how to
write in Java. I, of course, use the standard web site production technique
[2]. It is worth noting that many people have Java turned off in their web
browser.

Simon [3]

[1] I think chapter numbers is more appropriate, as page numbers vary across
editions and versions.
[2] That is to borrow anything that looks good from other web sites!
[3] I hope people understand the idea of footnotes




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep  1 20:51:01 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:51:01 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Me too - FINALLY!
References: <983C4669E4FED2119EE80001FAF833A367414E@XCHNGHQ1>
Message-ID: <39B016B5.52EA6A04@hic.net>

Hi --

"McNie, Margaret" wrote:

> I'm thrilled to report that I logged onto the internet last night for
> the first time from my home PC. I finished my messages 3851-4200 and
> uploaded my file.

Thanks!!

> Now I will start work on my FAQs but I'm still waiting for some
> guidance on what we want to include, etc. My two are people so do I
> include some basic background like job, physical description, place in
> the story? Then a list of FAQs or discussion points? Do we just
> summarize the thinking or include specific messages? Do we need to
> note the message numbers? HELP!

Well, I think what I would envision (not that my vision should be the
end goal necessarily) would be a basic character sketch (sort of along
the lines of what people have been doing so far for the weekly
discussions, drawing from all 4 books).  I guess I would include basic,
indisputable factual info in the first paragraph or two (or more).
Then, I'd start analyzing some of the more controversial aspects of
their personality, their role in the books so far, what's predicted to
happen to them, that sort of thing.  This latter aspect will take quite
alot for complex characters such as Snape.  Lupin might be easier since
he's not mentioned at all in the first 2 books and only briefly in GoF.
For Dumbledore, obviously you'll get the fun of devoting a paragraph or
more to the different theories of what that "gleam in his eye" might
mean.

I'm open to thoughts about whether or not to include specific message
numbers.  Actually, now that I think about it, we could include message
#s at the bottom of each FAQ.  Something along the lines of: "For more
in-depth information, you might want to look at Yahoo messages _______
(available at HPforGrownups-Archives) and egroups messages ________.").
?????  Thoughts??

> Maybe I could just ask everyone not to discuss Lupin or Dumbledore
> while I'm gone.

LOL!

> Margaret, who has 5 weeks and 4 days to go to her trip but who is
> already starting to fidget

You'll have a great time Margaret!  Where within the UK (or the British
Isles I should say) are you going?  We were in London, Cheddar
(Somerset), Edinburgh & Arisaig (w coast of Scotland).

Penny (who already wants to go back to London!)

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Sep  1 21:00:31 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:00:31 -0400 
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] style things
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A867@FTLEXC1>

I like this idea! However, it only makes sense if we all do it the same way
- in other words, if there are messages to cite to, we should list them on
the end of that section of the FAQ

I'm open to thoughts about whether or not to include specific message
numbers.  Actually, now that I think about it, we could include message #s
at the bottom of each FAQ.  Something along the lines of: "For more in-depth
information, you might want to look at Yahoo messages _______ (available at
HPforGrownups-Archives) and egroups messages ________.").  ?????  Thoughts??




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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep  1 21:13:53 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:13:53 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] style things
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000901211353.0071f564@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 17:00 09/01/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>I like this idea! However, it only makes sense if we all do it the same way
>- in other words, if there are messages to cite to, we should list them on
>the end of that section of the FAQ
>
>I'm open to thoughts about whether or not to include specific message
>numbers.  Actually, now that I think about it, we could include message #s
>at the bottom of each FAQ.  Something along the lines of: "For more in-depth
>information, you might want to look at Yahoo messages _______ (available at
>HPforGrownups-Archives) and egroups messages ________.").  ?????  Thoughts??

I would favour the idea of a list of references at the bottom of the FAQ,
which could include club message numbers, books, web sites and other sources
as appropriate, with each numbered in the same way as Simon illustrated with
his footnotes.  

e.g.

1. HP4GU #2345, #3456
2. CoS, Ch.5
3. www.somesite.orother.com/hpotter.html
4. eG #269, #303
5. Webster's Dictionary, whatever edition
6. GoF, US-audio

and so on, with these numbers as [1], [2], [3] etc. in the text of the FAQs.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep  1 21:15:25 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:15:25 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000901211525.00702b4c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>


>"Tables are quite nice for presentation of links, as in the discussions
>table Melanie has on her site, because they look more interesting than just
>a long list of links."
>
>If we are trying to avoid frames, for simplicity and ease of viewing
>reasons, then we should try to avoid tables as well. The simpler the HTML is
>the more people that can view the web site.

Okay, fair point.  

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep  1 22:54:56 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:54:56 +0100
Subject: boredom
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIELJCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hi to all FAQ writers and anyone else reading this group.

I got a little bored this evening and decided to start looking at possible
layouts for the website. I will try and upload this example in the next few
minutes for you all to look at and comment on.

Please note that there is only one FAQ with anything on, the one on wands,
and that only contains some preliminary notes that I have made on the
subject.

Another question: Are people happy for small pictures to be included in the
FAQ's?

Simon




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep  1 23:35:08 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:35:08 -0000
Subject: boredom
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIELJCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8opefc+i0h@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com, "Simon Branford" <simon.branford at h...> 
wrote:

> I got a little bored this evening and decided to start looking at   
> possible layouts for the website. I will try and upload this       
> example in the next few minutes for you all to look at and comment  
> on.

Replying to my own message - how disorganised!

I have now uploaded the files and it seems to work. The file 
index.htm is the frames index and the file nfindex.htm the non-frames 
index. Starting from one of these should allow you access to all the 
other files.

The frames index is set up to give the link to the non-frames index 
if the browser being used does not support frames. Should this be on 
an automatic redirect or not?

I have added the footnotes idea into the wands FAQ. I am not entirely 
certain if  it is correct as of yet.

Simon (going to bed as I feel very tired!)




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep  1 23:35:42 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:35:42 -0000
Subject: boredom
In-Reply-To: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIELJCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8opege+qdk4@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com, "Simon Branford" <simon.branford at h...> 
wrote:

> I got a little bored this evening and decided to start looking at   
> possible layouts for the website. I will try and upload this       
> example in the next few minutes for you all to look at and comment  
> on.

Replying to my own message - how disorganised!

I have now uploaded the files and it seems to work. The file 
index.htm is the frames index and the file nfindex.htm the non-frames 
index. Starting from one of these should allow you access to all the 
other files.

The frames index is set up to give the link to the non-frames index 
if the browser being used does not support frames. Should this be on 
an automatic redirect or not?

I have added the footnotes idea into the wands FAQ. I am not entirely 
certain if  it is correct as of yet.

Simon (going to bed as I feel very tired!)




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 00:37:51 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 20:37:51 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] style things
References: <1.5.4.32.20000901211353.0071f564@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004c01c01476$07ac4240$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

As a reader (there is no way I am going near this FAQ project, shudders...), I would appreciate the post #'s on the bottom of the "paragraph/FAQ.  It would make it easier to locate the "source".

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Neil Ward 
  To: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 5:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [HP4GU-FAQ] style things



       
       My Groups | HP4GU-FAQ Main Page | Start a new group!  


  At 17:00 09/01/2000 -0400, you wrote:
  >I like this idea! However, it only makes sense if we all do it the same way
  >- in other words, if there are messages to cite to, we should list them on
  >the end of that section of the FAQ
  >
  >I'm open to thoughts about whether or not to include specific message
  >numbers.  Actually, now that I think about it, we could include message #s
  >at the bottom of each FAQ.  Something along the lines of: "For more in-depth
  >information, you might want to look at Yahoo messages _______ (available at
  >HPforGrownups-Archives) and egroups messages ________.").  ?????  Thoughts??

  I would favour the idea of a list of references at the bottom of the FAQ,
  which could include club message numbers, books, web sites and other sources
  as appropriate, with each numbered in the same way as Simon illustrated with
  his footnotes.  

  e.g.

  1. HP4GU #2345, #3456
  2. CoS, Ch.5
  3. www.somesite.orother.com/hpotter.html
  4. eG #269, #303
  5. Webster's Dictionary, whatever edition
  6. GoF, US-audio

  and so on, with these numbers as [1], [2], [3] etc. in the text of the FAQs.

  Neil
              Flying-Ford-Anglia

  *****************************************

     "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
     the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
     its rear lights blazing angrily"

  [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

  *****************************************




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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Sep  2 09:21:28 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:21:28 -0000
Subject: boredom and pictures in the FAQs
In-Reply-To: <8opege+qdk4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8oqgqo+qo6p@eGroups.com>

> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com, "Simon Branford" <
simon.branford at h...> 

> I have now uploaded the files and it seems to work. 

Er, where are these files, Simon - did I miss something?

Re: your comment on pictures, I think they would be useful in the 
casting FAQ and the FAQs which need illustrations. Two things spring 
to mind though: download speed and copyright.  If we have pictures,
it should be 'click here to see' or thumbnails.  Can we set up 
hypertext links to the pictures we have stored in the photos section 
of the club?  Or do we have to say 'see photos section for a picture 
of this person/thing'?

Can we assume that pictures posted on the web can be used elsewhere 
(perhaps with a credit) unless clearly stated otherwise?  I guess 
Heidi would be the one to answer that.

Neil











From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep  2 15:40:41 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:40:41 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: boredom and pictures in the FAQs
In-Reply-To: <8oqgqo+qo6p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEMECHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"Er, where are these files, Simon - did I miss something?"

Try the FAQ directory in the files section on this group.

" Two things spring to mind though: download speed and copyright.  If we
have pictures, it should be 'click here to see' or thumbnails.  Can we set
up hypertext links to the pictures we have stored in the photos section of
the club?  Or do we have to say 'see photos section for a picture of this
person/thing'?"

I have no idea about the legal position. Small thumbnails are fairly easy to
set up or we could just link to files stored on other web sites, as long as
we clearly label as to what is going on.

Simon




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep  2 18:35:35 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:35:35 -0000
Subject: Message Assignments
Message-ID: <8orh9n+mg0b@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I just attempted to print off a set of everyone's individual files so 
I'll have those in front of me as I set about writing the FAQs.  I've 
run into the following problems:

1.  Dee -- Did you enter your posts into the FORT database that Paul 
set up (he has big recurring themes & we were adding message #s into 
that chart as well)?  The reason I ask is -- your summary is very 
complete (and your table is very pretty), but it's not broken down by 
subject.  It's done by message number.  So, if I'm looking for what 
posts in your grouping relate to my "Potential Romantic Pairings"
FAQ, 
I must look through each post you've summarized.  Any chance I can 
persuade you to put your messages into FORT (it's under Database)?  

2.  ANNE IN CHIAGO & SAM -- I think we better reassign their 
groupings.  We also need to assign 7350-8000.  So, we need volunteers 
for:

701-1050
1051-1400
7351 - 7700
7700 - 8000

Heidi has done 3 groups already.  Anna, Joy and I have each done 2 
groupings each.  I can do another grouping or 2 if needed though.  If 
someone already volunteered for any of these, I've forgotten.  :--)

3.  I can't read the document that Anna posted for her last grouping 
(5951-6300).  Can anyone convert it?  <g>  

4.  CAROLE -- can't read your excel spreadsheet -- it's empty when I 
pull it up.  Can you repost?  

I was about to go check out the FORT database & see where we have 
obvious holes (other than the 4 groupings that definitely haven't
been 
done).  

Thanks everyone (Happy Labor Day to all the Americans!)

Penny




From rawaherc at cs.com  Sat Sep  2 18:38:11 2000
From: rawaherc at cs.com (rawaherc at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:38:11 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
Message-ID: <84.a4ec7a7.26e2a313@cs.com>

Ooops - my fault again - my computer told me it was coverted into a word 
document....Ouch, I would appreciate it if a tecnical type person could help 
me out of a hole again?!. If you need a volunteer for a message set, I will 
be home this week!

Anna (and Chris)

"Only in our dreams are we free, the rest of the time we need wages"



From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep  2 18:48:08 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:48:08 -0000
Subject: FORT Database
Message-ID: <8ori18+3kru@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I read through the first 4-5 pages of the FORT database, and I came 
away with the following:

The following groupings have definitely been entered into the FORT 
database --

351 - 700 --- Heidi
1401-1750 --- Joy
1751- 2100 --- Joy
2101-2450 --- Anna
2451 - 2800 -- Paul
2801 - 3150 --- Heidi
3851 - 4200 --- Margaret
4551 - 4900 --- Neil
5251 - 5600 -- Carole
5601 - 5950 -- Melanie
6300 - 7000 -- Penny

Joywitch emailed hers to me, and I will enter them into FORT this 
weekend at some point.

So, we're missing: Ebony, Simon, Trina, Anna's 2nd group & the 4 
groups that haven't been done yet.  

In the 5 pages of FORT that I looked at, it appeared that someone may 
have entered a few scattered references from 1051-1400 (Sam D.D.),
but 
I didn't see enough to make me conclusively believe that this message 
grouping has been done.  Did someone do it?

Thanks again all --

Penny  




From rawaherc at cs.com  Sat Sep  2 18:50:40 2000
From: rawaherc at cs.com (rawaherc at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:50:40 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FORT Database
Message-ID: <ee.a1c2a28.26e2a600@cs.com>

OK - now I'm in Technical hell! I know I did enter them, but I have been so 
ditzy maybe theres something I didn't do - I'll try again - thanks for 
letting me know Penny!

Anna (and Chris)

"Only in our dreams are we free, the rest of the time we need wages"



From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 20:05:21 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:05:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
Message-ID: <20000902200521.15011.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>

> Hi --
> 
> So, we need volunteers for:
> 
> 701-1050
> 1051-1400
> 7351 - 7700
> 7700 - 8000

I'll be happy to do a group.  In fact, after Heidi's "remember
when" messages, I'd love to do one (or both) of the groupings in
the 701-1400 range (if they're not already taken).



> 3.  I can't read the document that Anna posted for her last
> grouping 
> (5951-6300).  Can anyone convert it?  <g>  
> 
> 4.  CAROLE -- can't read your excel spreadsheet -- it's empty
> when I 
> pull it up.  Can you repost?  


I'm at work right now, but I have Excel and Works at home.  I'd
be happy to convert these (or try to anyway) tonight.


Melanie

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep  2 20:04:57 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:04:57 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FORT Database
In-Reply-To: <8ori18+3kru@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINGEMHCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

My entries (4201-4550) seem to be in the FORT database. I will also upload a
file into the files section. Called table.htm - it will contain all the
files uploaded (I hope it is correct!).

Simon

-----Original Message-----
From: Penny Linsenmayer [mailto:linsenma at hic.net]
Sent: Saturday 02 September 2000 19:48
To: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FORT Database


Hi --

I read through the first 4-5 pages of the FORT database, and I came
away with the following:

The following groupings have definitely been entered into the FORT
database --

351 - 700 --- Heidi
1401-1750 --- Joy
1751- 2100 --- Joy
2101-2450 --- Anna
2451 - 2800 -- Paul
2801 - 3150 --- Heidi
3851 - 4200 --- Margaret
4551 - 4900 --- Neil
5251 - 5600 -- Carole
5601 - 5950 -- Melanie
6300 - 7000 -- Penny

Joywitch emailed hers to me, and I will enter them into FORT this
weekend at some point.

So, we're missing: Ebony, Simon, Trina, Anna's 2nd group & the 4
groups that haven't been done yet.

In the 5 pages of FORT that I looked at, it appeared that someone may
have entered a few scattered references from 1051-1400 (Sam D.D.),
but
I didn't see enough to make me conclusively believe that this message
grouping has been done.  Did someone do it?

Thanks again all --

Penny


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From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sat Sep  2 20:08:45 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 2 Sep 2000 20:08:45 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <967925325.18739@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

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  Description : This file covers messages 351-700, 1401-3150 and 3500-7350 

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From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep  2 20:10:03 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:10:03 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
References: <20000902200521.15011.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39B15E9B.1D1E675C@hic.net>

Hi --

Melanie Moore wrote:

> I'll be happy to do a group.  In fact, after Heidi's "remember
> when" messages, I'd love to do one (or both) of the groupings in
> the 701-1400 range (if they're not already taken).

You can certainly do both of the earlier ones if you like.  <g>
Thanks.  I'll take 7700 - 8000.  Any takers on 7351-7700?  Anna, if you
are serious about doing a 3rd grouping, that would be very helpful.

> I'm at work right now, but I have Excel and Works at home.  I'd
> be happy to convert these (or try to anyway) tonight.

I know Carole is out of town so won't respond until Monday evening at
the earliest.  I have Excel, but her document just is blank from what I
can see.  But, maybe you can help out with that too Melanie.

Penny

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 21:31:45 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FORT Database
Message-ID: <20000902213145.17268.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> In the 5 pages of FORT that I looked at, it appeared
> that someone may 
> have entered a few scattered references from
> 1051-1400 (Sam D.D.),
> but 

Some of those may have been me.  I know that if I had
a message that was a reply to a message out of my
group, I'd add the earlier message as well.


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From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sat Sep  2 21:42:28 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 2 Sep 2000 21:42:28 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <967930948.4223@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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  Description : .TXT version of file "HPFAQ.xls" uploaded 8/25/00 by lrcjestes 

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 21:44:13 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
Message-ID: <20000902214413.18075.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>

> 3.  I can't read the document that Anna posted for
> her last grouping 
> (5951-6300).  Can anyone convert it?  <g>  

The file should have an extension .rtf.  Rename the
extension to .rtf and you should be able to ready it
fine.  I think .rtf files load into most everything,
so I didn't convert it.

> 
> 4.  CAROLE -- can't read your excel spreadsheet --
> it's empty when I 
> pull it up.  Can you repost?  

If it is the file HPFAQ.xls (message #5250-5600)
uploaded by lrcjestes, then I've posted a .txt version
of what you needed.  The .xls file was just two
columns, so I made it a .txt file.




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From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sat Sep  2 22:41:37 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 2 Sep 2000 22:41:37 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <967934497.16768@egroups.com>


Hello,

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group.

  File        : /5251-5600.htm 
  Uploaded by : melaniem68 at home.com 
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From melaniem68 at home.com  Sat Sep  2 22:45:02 2000
From: melaniem68 at home.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 22:45:02 -0000
Subject: Carol's Excel file
Message-ID: <8orvte+oqvi@eGroups.com>

Hi.

I've just reformatted Carol's Excel file, and uploaded the result.  
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to save it to Word, so I saved it in 
HTML.  I hope that will work.  Penny, let me know if you still can't 
read it.

Thank you,

Melanie




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep  2 23:23:38 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:23:38 +0100
Subject: A quick request for someone with US editions of the books
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEMJCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Can someone translate the following page references into chapter numbers for
me please?

"Book 1: The Weasley twins say Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie left (pg
153); Harry thinks if Gryffindor wins the next match, they will overtake
Slytherin for the first time in 7 years (pg 216).

Book 3: Wood says Gryffindor hasn't won for 7 years now (pg 143); McGonagall
says Gryffindor will be out of the running for the 8th year in a row (pg
248); Percy says Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie was Seeker (pg 301)."

Thanks in advance. I am working on my FAQ's on the Weasley family and have
gotten onto the subject of the boys ages. The bits above are from a post on
the subject, but I do not have the inclination to sift through the books to
find them in the UK editions.

Simon




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep  2 23:47:24 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:47:24 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] A quick request for someone with US editions of the  books
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINKEMJCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39B1918C.F209614D@hic.net>

Hi

Simon Branford wrote:

> Can someone translate the following page references into chapter
> numbers for
> me please?
>
> "Book 1: The Weasley twins say Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie
> left (pg 153);

Chapter 9 (The Midnight Duel)

> Harry thinks if Gryffindor wins the next match, they will overtake
> Slytherin for the first time in 7 years (pg 216).

Chapter 13 (Nicholas Flamel)

> Book 3: Wood says Gryffindor hasn't won for 7 years now (pg 143);

Chapter 8 -- Flight of the Fat Lady

> McGonagall says Gryffindor will be out of the running for the 8th year
> in a row (pg 248);

Chapter 12 - The Patronus

> Percy says Gryffindor hasn't won since Charlie was Seeker (pg 301)."

Chapter 15 -- The Quidditch Final

Penny
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sun Sep  3 00:50:16 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:50:16 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
References: <20000902200521.15011.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39B1A048.F48B7DB3@the-beach.net>



Melanie Moore wrote:

>
> I'll be happy to do a group.  In fact, after Heidi's "remember
> when" messages, I'd love to do one (or both) of the groupings in
> the 701-1400 range (if they're not already taken).

Please give us some of the Remember Whens you find as well!




From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  3 03:11:36 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
Message-ID: <20000903031136.8288.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- heidi <heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Please give us some of the Remember Whens you find as well!
> 
> 

You've got it!


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From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sun Sep  3 14:54:23 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 3 Sep 2000 14:54:23 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
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From linsenma at hic.net  Sun Sep  3 14:56:12 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:56:12 -0000
Subject: Joywitch's Posts Loaded
Message-ID: <8otoqc+22cp@eGroups.com>

Hi --

Just loaded a file with Joywitch's posts.  Her assignment was through 
3500, but I don't see anything after 3400 in the stuff she emailed
me. 
She may have misunderstood, so I'll do 3400-3500 & add those later. 
I 
also need to add these into FORT.  I probably won't get to any of
this 
the rest of today though as my parents are in town for a visit.

Penny




From rawaherc at cs.com  Sun Sep  3 15:20:40 2000
From: rawaherc at cs.com ( Anna Marie Rawa)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 15:20:40 -0000
Subject: OK - NOW I'm done!
Message-ID: <8otq88+6k3o@eGroups.com>

Went back, and you were right Penny - none of my second batch were on 
the database, so I've reentered them. Hopefully someones figured out 
what I did with the uploaded table, but if not, let me know and I'll 
have another try!

I'm still willing to take another batch!




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  3 14:41:16 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:41:16 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments
References: <8orh9n+mg0b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01ca01c015b5$04193a80$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

Penny, how do you use the FORT?  I am a bit confused about it.  Is there an earlier post that I didn't catch on how-tos?  I am will to revamp my facts for it, to help you!

:)
Dee

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Penny Linsenmayer 
  To: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 2:35 PM
  Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Assignments



       My Groups | HP4GU-FAQ Main Page | Start a new group!  


  Hi --

  I just attempted to print off a set of everyone's individual files so 
  I'll have those in front of me as I set about writing the FAQs.  I've 
  run into the following problems:

  1.  Dee -- Did you enter your posts into the FORT database that Paul 
  set up (he has big recurring themes & we were adding message #s into 
  that chart as well)?  The reason I ask is -- your summary is very 
  complete (and your table is very pretty), but it's not broken down by 
  subject.  It's done by message number.  So, if I'm looking for what 
  posts in your grouping relate to my "Potential Romantic Pairings"
  FAQ, 
  I must look through each post you've summarized.  Any chance I can 
  persuade you to put your messages into FORT (it's under Database)?  

  2.  ANNE IN CHIAGO & SAM -- I think we better reassign their 
  groupings.  We also need to assign 7350-8000.  So, we need volunteers 
  for:

  701-1050
  1051-1400
  7351 - 7700
  7700 - 8000

  Heidi has done 3 groups already.  Anna, Joy and I have each done 2 
  groupings each.  I can do another grouping or 2 if needed though.  If 
  someone already volunteered for any of these, I've forgotten.  :--)

  3.  I can't read the document that Anna posted for her last grouping 
  (5951-6300).  Can anyone convert it?  <g>  

  4.  CAROLE -- can't read your excel spreadsheet -- it's empty when I 
  pull it up.  Can you repost?  

  I was about to go check out the FORT database & see where we have 
  obvious holes (other than the 4 groupings that definitely haven't
  been 
  done).  

  Thanks everyone (Happy Labor Day to all the Americans!)

  Penny


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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  3 17:08:47 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Dee (Denise) R)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 17:08:47 -0000
Subject: Now that I have the topics table.....
Message-ID: <8ou0iv+tu85@eGroups.com>

Hello again Penny.  Taking a look at the FORT, I almost swooned, then 
decided to do this: (below and will be uploading the table version to 
files)  Now all I have to do is transfer these to the database.  My 
question is what do you do when you find a subject that hasn't a 
post?  And did I break these down the way you wanted them, or did you 
want them even further?  Please take a look at them, ok?

Thanks!
Dee






Topic	Post Number
Introduction Post	1
G-Rating Discussions of Rowling's Books	2
Other books to read	3; 197; 198; 199; 200; 202; 204; 345; 346; 
347; 
Why does HP appeal to people of all ages?	4; 16; 335; ; 336; 
337;338; 339
HP Movie	5; 6; 7; 8; 46; 47; 175; 192; 195; 208; 215; 216; 
278; 280; 311; 330; 332; 333; 334; 
HP Toys	6; 195; 241; 242
Casting	8; 13; 14; 15; 17; 19; 20; 21; 22; 23; 24; 25; 26; 28; 30; 
31; 32; 38; 39; 41; 48; 52; 53; 54; 55; 56; 57; 64; 66; 69; 98; 101; 
102; 103; 104; 105; 106; 107; 108; 109; 193; 203; 205; 206; 208; 209; 
210; 209; 210; 211; 212; 213; 215; 217; 254; 262; 268; 269; 271; 272; 
273; 274; 275; 278; 279; 313; 316; 317; 319; 321; 322; 324; 325; 326; 
327; 328; 329; 330; 331; 332
Spoilers Treatment	9
`Ships	General	H/Cho	H/Hermione	H/Ron	H/Some other Bimbo
	
	73; 74	183; 185				
Sfx in HP Movie	12
Picturing Dumbledore	15
How HP changes lives	16
Adult thoughts on HP	17; 146; 241; 242; 337; 338; 339
Timeline based on Nick's death day	18; 23
Hello (new members introductions); Welcomes to the hellos; personal 
asides	24; 27; 33; 43; 67; 69; 70; 72; 10; 80; 82; 83; 84; 87; 92; 
96; 126; 128; 129; 133; 149; 150; 171; 172; 192; 216; 264; 267; 268; 
269; 270; 295; 296
Founder announcements (LINKS)	29; 72; 296; 
Snape, description	30; 38; 39
Viewpoints of HP	31; 221;
Rosie O'Donnell on HP; (Jo on Rosie 10-15)	31; 42; 48
Harry and the Dementors (voices)	34
JKR Oct 12 Interview	35; 36; 40;
Ages of readers	37; 38; 293;
Purchasing	41; 98; 302;
Pronouncing Hermione	42; 285; 286; 287; 291; 298; 299; 300; 301; 
303; 304; 308; 309; 312; 
Reading Aloud books	43; 44; 63; 88
Jo ? US Rounds	45; 46; 56
Interview/Article in Wash. Post	46
Good Books/Bad Movies	47; 218; 348; 349; 350;
Death in Book 4	Dumbledore	George	Fred	Crabbe	Ron 
	Hermione	Hagrid	In General
	49; 51; 61; 62; 65; 180;	181; 182		181; 
182; 183; 184;	51; 	51; 	51	60; 71; 179
Interview/Reading Wands Purchasing Aloud	50
Anti-HP/Banning HP	58; 59; 63; 68; 72; 75; 77; 78; 79; 80; 81; 
110; 111; 117; 118; 122; 136; 137; 140; 141; 150; 197;
Dark tones of the books (scaring kids)	67; 70
Monitoring Kids' viewing/Reading Habits	70; 76
Audio Books	80; 82; 83
Canadian TV Commercials	84
The Onion, article 1	86; 87; 119
Loaning out books	88; 91
Using Books to Teach	88; 133; 140; 141; 144; 145; 161;
Language Difference (Am vs. UK)	89; 90; 93; 94; 95; 100; 138; 139; 
142; 143;
Speed Reading	91; 115; 275; 
Chatting (Im'ing)	97; 98; 99; 116; 120; 121;123; 124; 296; 
Borgman Cartoon	112; 113; 114;
EJDione Story in Wash. Post	117; 118;
Nat'l Children's Book Week	125;
Halloween Costume	127; 247; 283; 283; 285; 
Negative Reactions Among Kids about HP	129 (130/131);
Freedom Forum Article	132;
Christmas Present (Which is no longer listed at that site)	134; 
135;
Paperback release dates	147; 177; 275; 278; 313;
NYT Article (acceptance of HP)	148;
Cloth covered books	151; 152;
Help on Homework, #1	153; 154; 155; 156; 157; 159; 163; 165; 166; 
168; 169; 170
Help on Homework, #2	197; 198; 199; 200; 202; 204;
Quidditch	158; 
Websites 	160; 164; 167; 250; 255; 257;
Harry abetting the Bad guys	172; 173; 174;
Title of 4th Book (Doomspell Tournament); Release Dates; general 
questions on b4	176; 177; 178; 179; 182; 185; 186; 286; 288; 302; 
303; 313;
Dudley Development	184; 187
Malfoy	183;  184; 185
Book Covers	188; 189; 190; 191; 194; 196; 201;
TIME	192; 207; 311;
Green Mile	262; 263
Willie Wonka	210; 213; 
Star Wars (all Casting with Alec)	211; 214;  217; 228; 229; 
230; 231; 232; 251; 256
Wicca(n)	219; 220; 221; 222; 223; 224; 225; 226; 227 
Directors (speculation)	233; 234; 235; 240; 243; 244; 245; 246; 248; 
249; 252; 253; 254; 268; 280; 281; 282; 292;  294; 311; 314; 315;
Kiddy Movie	238; 239; 272;
Over commercialization	214; 247;
Harry's Wand	257; 265; 
Sorting (club members)	258; 259; 261;266;
JOIN MY CLUB	276; 277
Mascots 	277; 289; 297; 305; 306; 307; 
Jo, LHJ	290;
School life with HP	309;
Donny and Marie (Jo)	310; 312; 
Score	315; 
Jim Carrey	317; 318;
Christopher Walken	319; 320; 322; 323; 
Pronouncing Rowling	340; 341; 342; 343; 344;
	





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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  4 07:14:16 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (smitster )
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 07:14:16 -0000
Subject: The Archive
Message-ID: <8ovi48+7802@eGroups.com>

First off, Neil keeps switching handles, so I thought I'd follow 
suit.  I kinda like a 2 syllable name anyhow.

The Archive has been translated to eGroups.  It's not to be posted 
to, so that feature is disabled.  Do you think it should have open 
subscription ability?  (It shows up on the "My Groups" page which is 
handy.)  For now, just use this direct link:

http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives

I've also uploaded the Archive in various forms in the files 
section.  So no need to go to Xoom.com anymore.

You all can give this new group a go.  I figured out after 2 thousand 
messages that I could drop the @yahoo garbage.  I only needed it for 
eGroups to think it was a valid e-mail address.  (Hope no-one minds I 
forged their e-mail address a few hundred times!)  So that's why 
there is the sudden change of author format.

Finally, the eGroups # and the Yahoo! # match up (that means no 
mistakes).  I wasn't sure if that would be the case, so every message 
has the Yahoo! # included as part of the redundent header on each 
eGroup message.

Happy FAQing,
Paul





From Ebonyteach at aol.com  Mon Sep  4 15:55:52 2000
From: Ebonyteach at aol.com (Ebonyteach at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:55:52 EDT
Subject: Help, again...
Message-ID: <40.71d541.26e52008@aol.com>

I was wondering why you were so quiet this weekend, Penny!   :)  Enjoy your 
family!

I'm a little confused about how to upload my stuff into the FORT database.  
For some reason, the discussion completely went over my head... forgive me, 
please!  I thought I was done until I had to write my two little FAQs.  As 
this is my last day of freedom until Thanksgiving (grad classes start 
tomorrow and I have almost 200 kids that walk through my classroom door every 
day), this presents a problem.  HELP!

--Ebony



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Sep  4 20:24:35 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:24:35 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] The Archive
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000904202435.00700fbc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 07:14 09/04/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>
>First off, Neil keeps switching handles, so I thought I'd follow 
>suit.  I kinda like a 2 syllable name anyhow.

I'd rather not, but it looks like I have to be the real me if I'm posting
from e-mail (hence the signature in those posts), but I've kept the FFA
handle for any online posts.

The Archive has been translated to eGroups.  It's not to be posted 
>to, so that feature is disabled.  Do you think it should have open 
>subscription ability?  (It shows up on the "My Groups" page which is 
>handy.)  For now, just use this direct link:
>
>http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives

I'll check it out.  I'm amazed that you could do this (which says a lot
about my technical knowledge).

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From linsenma at hic.net  Mon Sep  4 22:06:45 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:06:45 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Help, again...
References: <40.71d541.26e52008@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39B41CF5.573BDA5A@hic.net>

Hi --

Ebonyteach at aol.com wrote:

> I'm a little confused about how to upload my stuff into the FORT
> database.

Hi Ebony -- I think Dee has been confused as well.  Let me see if I can
explain easily (sorry -- this may be too late for you & if it is, let me
know & I'll enter your stuff into FORT) --

1.  Go to the homepage of this list.

2.  Click on "Database"

3.  Click on "FORT"

4.  There will be a table with 220+ rows in it as I recall -- there are
about 20 rows per page.  You can navigate to the next page by clicking
on the arrows at the top of the table on each page.

5.  When you find the first row where you need to add in some posts,
first check to be sure it isn't already full (each row will hold about
40 message #s).  If it's not too full, click on the "Edit" icon to the
far left of that row.  It will take you to another screen, where you can
fill in your message #s.  Once you've filled them in, just click "Save
Record."  If your browser is like mine, it will take you from there back
to the very beginning of the table (even if you were working from page 9
of the table).  I've been using the "back" button on my browser to find
where I was again more easily.

6.  If a row is too full or if you need to add a row to cover a topic
that hasn't been covered before, just hit "Add a Record" at the top of
the page.  It will ask you for a topic description & give you space to
put message #s.  Then, just "Save Record" as you did above.

7.  Probably a good idea to read through the entire table first -- some
of the topics were named things that weren't necessarily the same naming
custom I might have used.

Let me know if either of you need me to manually enter your posts into
FORT as I can do that if you need help.

Thanks --

Penny
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From linsenma at hic.net  Mon Sep  4 22:45:18 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:45:18 -0500
Subject: OK - NOW I'm done!
References: <8otq88+6k3o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39B425FE.D71272BE@hic.net>

Hi --

Anna Marie Rawa wrote:

> Went back, and you were right Penny - none of my second batch were on
> the database, so I've reentered them. Hopefully someones figured out
> what I did with the uploaded table, but if not, let me know and I'll
> have another try!

Maybe Melanie or Paul could help with this?  I got the revised version
of Carole's table from both Melanie & Paul, but I still can't access
Anna's 2nd table.

> I'm still willing to take another batch!

Can you do 7351 - 7700??  Thanks!!!

Penny

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From linsenma at hic.net  Tue Sep  5 00:07:05 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:07:05 -0500
Subject: The Archive
References: <8ovi48+7802@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39B43929.ACFAC1E5@hic.net>

Hi

smitster wrote:

> The Archive has been translated to eGroups.

And many thanks to Smitster (Paul)!!!!!

> It's not to be posted to, so that feature is disabled.  Do you think
> it should have open subscription ability?

I'd rather not "approve" or "deny" membership to all 200+ members of
HPforGrownups unless people feel strongly that we should have restricted
membership.  Since posting is disabled, I'd be inclined to let it be
open subscription.  Thoughts?  I just approved Simon (recognized the
email address) -- but do any of you use Itm55 at yahoo.com?  That's pending
right now, and I don't know who it is (although it looks vaguely
familiar).

Thanks again to Paul -- this is *really* going to be helpful to us
FAQ'ers (and to the general listserve as well obviously).

Penny
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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  5 00:51:08 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: The Archive
Message-ID: <20000905005108.4613.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com>

> I'd rather not "approve" or "deny" membership to all
> 200+ members of
> HPforGrownups unless people feel strongly that we
> should have restricted
> membership.  Since posting is disabled, I'd be
> inclined to let it be
> open subscription.  Thoughts?  I just approved Simon
> (recognized the
> email address) -- but do any of you use
> Itm55 at yahoo.com?  That's pending
> right now, and I don't know who it is (although it
> looks vaguely
> familiar).

That makes sense to me.  Then it would be just like
the other group minus the ADD features.

itm55 is was of the first posters ever (the 5th, in
fact).  Yet I don't know who it is.

Side note: Even though Neal has me WAY beat as far as
postings, my first post was way back at 35!!!  I need
to get caught up so I can participate again.



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From Ebonyteach at aol.com  Tue Sep  5 00:59:01 2000
From: Ebonyteach at aol.com (Ebonyteach at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:59:01 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Help, again...
Message-ID: <6d.8e708c5.26e59f55@aol.com>

Thanks for the directions, Penny.  I really *was* confused for some reason... 
otherwise, I would have just updated the database instead of creating a new 
table.

Unfortunately, I have 100 kids to assign class jobs before bed and am booked 
solid every evening this week.  The earliest I could get to it is 
Friday--right before I pack up my computer and move it.  :(  Would this be 
OK?  I don't want to shirk my part of the message load.  And yes, I'm still 
OK for the FAQs.

Ebony AKA AngieJ



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Sep  5 02:21:15 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:21:15 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: The Archive
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000905022115.00712a6c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

>Side note: Even though Neal has me WAY beat as far as
>postings, my first post was way back at 35!!!  I need
>to get caught up so I can participate again.

I was discussing posting rate with Aberforth's Goat (Mike Gray) and I
suggested that I was probably not the berposter any more and that Penny or
Catlady had probably toppled me by now.  Mike though it was probably Dee.

For a number of reasons the volume of my posts has dropped off considerably.
One reason is that I am now receiving the messages by e-mail and, concurring
with Penny's comment over in the main club, finding the sheer volume of
messages at the moment a bit much.  I don't really have time to read them
all properly, and that tends to affect what I might say in return.  Also, I
don't want to add to the problem myself and I think this has put a
psychological block on what, and when, I post.  I guess that won't stop me
posting the odd one-liner, but I am more conscious of not wasting people's time.

I guess I should respond to Penny over in the club, to help reinforce the point.

BTW, a few people have misspelt my name (not just you, Paul - not picking on
you, honest - others have done it).  Am I correct in assuming that 'Neal' is
a more common spelling in the US? If that's the case, I'll forgive this
massively insulting error; if not, I'll just have stamp my feet and look
annoyed.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From kippesp at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  5 03:23:22 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sorry, Neil
Message-ID: <20000905032322.6313.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry about your name's spelling, Neil.  I will try
and correct.

Paul


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Sep  5 03:35:44 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:35:44 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] The Archive
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000905033544.0075fea8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Paul/Smitster said:

>The Archive has been translated to eGroups.  It's not to be posted 
>to, so that feature is disabled.  Do you think it should have open 
>subscription ability?  (It shows up on the "My Groups" page which is 
>handy.)  For now, just use this direct link:
>
>http://www.egroups.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives
>
>I've also uploaded the Archive in various forms in the files 
>section.  So no need to go to Xoom.com anymore.

I had a look.  What a marvellous job!  You even have the response threads in
there.  This will be so useful, especially with the search facility. I have
a question though.  Is there any way we can print the messages (after
searching) in a report format to save to disk?  Otherwise, would I have to
read the messages online?

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Tue Sep  5 03:44:25 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 5 Sep 2000 03:44:25 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <968125465.14805@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /5951-6300.htm 
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You can access this file at the URL

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To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  5 03:47:44 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:47:44 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: The Archive
References: <8ovi48+7802@eGroups.com> <39B43929.ACFAC1E5@hic.net>
Message-ID: <00d001c016ec$0de24740$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

Penny, don't know if this helps, but about the (bottom of the page), I recall there being a post about it in my 0-350, with a introduction or something like that.  It's in the first table I created, before I discovered you had to categorize the #s, not the other way around!  Anyway, it's a heading, so that should make it easier to find.

Hope this helps!

Dee

Itm55 at yahoo.com
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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  5 04:45:14 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:45:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printing messages
Message-ID: <20000905044514.15163.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> Is there any way we can print
> the messages (after
> searching) in a report format to save to disk? 
> Otherwise, would I have to
> read the messages online?

Man, you must want the world!  I have to say, there
are some things I also wish eGroups did or did
differently.  I see what you mean...sort of like the
printable database format.

That would make a good feature request.  A [MAIL IT TO
ME] button.


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Sep  5 06:40:03 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 07:40:03 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Printing messages
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000905064003.0075e18c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

>--- Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Is there any way we can print
>> the messages (after
>> searching) in a report format to save to disk? 
>> Otherwise, would I have to
>> read the messages online?
>
>Man, you must want the world!  I have to say, there
>are some things I also wish eGroups did or did
>differently.  I see what you mean...sort of like the
>printable database format.

I wasn't expecting you to produce such a feature, I hasten to add.  I
thought it might be possible to do it without the need to do anything.
Although it's not indicated as a feature, the fact that we can print from
the database area makes me think it could be possible.  I thought you might
have noticed something while poking around behind the scenes, so to speak. 

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From rawaherc at cs.com  Tue Sep  5 13:20:58 2000
From: rawaherc at cs.com (rawaherc at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:20:58 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: OK - NOW I'm done!
Message-ID: <44.6e08f56.26e64d3a@cs.com>

In a message dated 9/4/00 6:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linsenma at hic.net 
writes:

<< Can you do 7351 - 7700??  Thanks!!! >>


No problem!

Anna (and Chris)

"Only in our dreams are we free, the rest of the time we need wages"



From linsenma at hic.net  Tue Sep  5 16:34:12 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:34:12 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Help, again...
References: <6d.8e708c5.26e59f55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39B52084.C829A31@hic.net>

Hi --

Ebonyteach at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for the directions, Penny.  I really *was* confused for some
> reason... otherwise, I would have just updated the database instead of
> creating a new table.

Glad my directions were okay!  Friday or this weekend is fine -- we do
have your separate table to work with and that will work great for the
interim.  Thanks again --

Penny

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From linsenma at hic.net  Wed Sep  6 02:27:52 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 02:27:52 -0000
Subject: Bit of a Dilemna with My First FAQ
Message-ID: <8p4a38+48pd@eGroups.com>

Hi --

Seeking some advice.  I chose "Potential Romance Pairings" as my
first 
FAQ (boy, what a huge surprise!).  Anyway, I've gone through all the 
postings done (all except a few of the early ones & the latest ones). 
I've also searched through the message archives at hpanonymous (as 
many of the members overlap).  Here's my problem -- I formatted the 
FAQ with "Arguments for" & "Arguments Against" under each potential 
pairing.  This seemed logical to me.  

Problem: I have no arguments "for" Herm/Krum, Harry/Ginny, Harry/Cho 
or Fleur/anyone.  I have arguments "against" all those pairings (most 
of them mine).  I also don't have too terribly much under the "For" 
Herm/Ron, despite the fact that this is a very popular pairing.  It 
seems to just be a personal preference for some people, and they 
haven't bothered to come up with many reasons why they think it's a 
good pairing.

I want people to perceive the FAQs as neutral & unbiased.  Should I 
solicit the group for thoughts on topics where we've got holes or
just 
post it with the holes (and then people can respond if they so 
choose)? 

I'm particularly sensitive to the unbiased issue with this one, 
because I know it's widely perceived that I have very strong opinions 
on this subject.  So . . . . any thoughts?   

I can also just turn to my other FAQs and think about this one more 
later, but any general thoughts would be appreciated.

Penny




From Ebonyteach at aol.com  Wed Sep  6 02:49:18 2000
From: Ebonyteach at aol.com (Ebonyteach at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:49:18 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Bit of a Dilemna with My First FAQ
Message-ID: <13.a685a16.26e70aae@aol.com>

Hi Penny:

Why not solicit help on the general list?  I know that you don't want to clog 
things up with FAQ business, but your concerns are legitimate.  I'm sure the 
H/R people, etc. will be happy to send their arguments your way, either on 
list or via private e-mail.

Ebony AKA AngieJ



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Wed Sep  6 05:45:00 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 06:45:00 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Bit of a Dilemna with My First FAQ (response and general comments)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000906054500.007553c4@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

>I want people to perceive the FAQs as neutral & unbiased.  Should I 
>solicit the group for thoughts on topics where we've got holes or
>just post it with the holes (and then people can respond if they so 
>choose)? 

I've just been sketching out all my FAQs and had some similar thoughts about
some of them.  I found myself thinking: 'Are we compiling a summary of the
discussions from the club or an encyclopaedia of the Harry Potter world
annotated by the club's thoughts?'

For example, from memory, I don't think we've discussed Minerva McGonagall
that much, so should I limit her FAQ to a brief character sketch and
discussion about her age, triggered by the fact that some people think
Maggie Smith is a bit old to play her in the film?  With character FAQs,
perhaps we can pose questions that appear not to have been discussed, but
leave them dangling; otherwise, we'll end up having to discuss every
undiscussed point in order to complete the FAQ.  

With some of the other 'item' topics, I guess we have a brief description,
followed by lists, as in Simon's 'Wands' example. These would have to be
drawn from our own research. I intend to do something like that for 'Charms
and Spells' and 'Magical Devices'.  I'll list them alphabetically with a
brief description of each, noting instances of discussion.  Where there
hasn't been any discussion, I will just leave it as a mention.  It doesn't
seem right to leave something out just because we haven't discussed it.
What do you think?

For the Casting FAQ, which is exceptional, I will list all the cast
characters, apart from the minor children, bearing in mind that some of them
haven't generated many suggestions or discussion.  Eventually, each one will
at least include the name of the actor chosen to play the part, and perhaps
a brief biog, but some will include a long list of actors suggested by club
members. 

Getting to the point [do I ever?]:

With your romance pairings, Penny, perhaps you could list those that are
really obvious and, if there is no discussion, just include a brief, neutral
summary of the context. For example, "Bill has been paired with Fleur,
because they made eyes at each other at the Yule Ball, signalling some
interest in each other".  I don't think we should attempt to address every
single undiscussed point or scenario by referring back to the main club.  

As nearly all the romance pairings are speculative, you do have a problem in
deciding where to draw the line with it if you aren't led by those that have
been discussed.  I'd stop well short of raising a Crookshanks/Mrs Norris
hookup, even if it seems possible. <g>   

Perhaps, when the FAQs are done, we could compile a list of questions or
topics that haven't been discussed or resolved and raise them during quiet
periods in the club.  Hopefully, though, as people refer to the FAQs they
will pick up on any 'spare' questions and use them to inject new discussion
into the club area. 

As far as we can, I think we should avoid repeating the work done by, for
example, Jenna's Encyclopedia Potterica and Steve Vander Ark's Lexicon.
However, it's difficult to avoid being a completist with some of these
topics, and there are holes in our discussions. 

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From linsenma at hic.net  Wed Sep  6 13:49:21 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 08:49:21 -0500
Subject: Dilemna with My First FAQ (response and general comments)
References: <1.5.4.32.20000906054500.007553c4@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
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Hi --

Neil Ward wrote:

> For example, from memory, I don't think we've discussed Minerva
> McGonagall that much, so should I limit her FAQ to a brief character
> sketch and discussion about her age, triggered by the fact that some
> people think Maggie Smith is a bit old to play her in the film?  With
> character FAQs, perhaps we can pose questions that appear not to have
> been discussed, but leave them dangling; otherwise, we'll end up
> having to discuss every undiscussed point in order to complete the
> FAQ.

I like the idea of posing questions that seem to be unanswered for
further discussion points.  And I think you're right that this is
especially true for the character FAQs.  By the by -- I did a brief
character sketch of McGonagall on another listserve (hpanonymous) in
response to someone's argument that JKR's female characters are weak.
Should I forward my thoughts or save it to raise with the group later?

> With some of the other 'item' topics, I guess we have a brief
> description, followed by lists, as in Simon's 'Wands' example. These
> would have to be drawn from our own research. I intend to do something
> like that for 'Charms and Spells' and 'Magical Devices'.  I'll list
> them alphabetically with a brief description of each, noting instances
> of discussion.  Where there hasn't been any discussion, I will just
> leave it as a mention.  It doesn't seem right to leave something out
> just because we haven't discussed it. What do you think?

That's exactly what I pictured for those FAQs (as well as for
Mythological/Magical Creatures).  I like where you're headed with the
Casting FAQ too.

> With your romance pairings, Penny, perhaps you could list those that
> are
> really obvious and, if there is no discussion, just include a brief,
> neutral summary of the context. For example, "Bill has been paired
> with Fleur, because they made eyes at each other at the Yule Ball,
> signalling some interest in each other".  I don't think we should
> attempt to address every single undiscussed point or scenario by
> referring back to the main club.

Yes, right now I have it set up: Ron/Hermione, Harry/Herm, Krum/Herm,
Harry/Ginny, Harry/Cho and then "Less Touted Pairings" (Fleur/Ron,
Fleur/Harry, Fleur/Bill, Ginny/Neville).  I wasn't planning to include
Simon's Harry/Hedwig theory or the Crookshanks/Mrs. Norris or
Padfoot/Crookshanks, etc. in the "Less Touted Pairings" though .  <g>

I have an intro paragraph re: romance pairings are all speculative (and
silly to many people since we're talking about teenagers) but a fun
topic for speculation for others.  I wanted to include Ron/Herm first --
even though fanfic authors allegedly prefer H/H, I think the majority of
general readers still prefer R/H (and I didn't want to start out biased
by including my own personal preference up front).  The problem, of
course, is that for many people, they haven't thought too much beyond
personal preference.  People who identify personally with Ginny favor
H/G but they haven't articulated too many reasons *why* this pairing
makes sense.  But, it looks a bit silly to lead off with Ron/Herm and
have the "Arguments Against" section be double or triple the length of
"Arguments For."  <g>

I am a lawyer, and at least at one time, I was reasonably used to
arguing both sides of any given issue.  I suppose I could try that tack
& see if I can come up with creative arguments to support H/G or H/Ch.
I've already been as creative as I can in coming up with some support
for R/H other than "well, they fight alot so clearly they like each
other."  <g>

> As far as we can, I think we should avoid repeating the work done by,
> for
> example, Jenna's Encyclopedia Potterica and Steve Vander Ark's
> Lexicon.
> However, it's difficult to avoid being a completist with some of these
>
> topics, and there are holes in our discussions.

I agree that we shouldn't re-create the wheel -- I wonder if a link to
Jenna's Encylopedia &/or Steve's Lexicon in appropriate places could be
a way to handle it.

Penny
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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Wed Sep  6 22:09:16 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:09:16 +0100
Subject: FAQ dilemmas
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEPLCHAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Penny wrote: "I wasn't planning to include Simon's Harry/Hedwig theory"

I just do not know what to say. I may just have to slip in some sly remark
in either the Harry or Hedwig FAQ's!

Penny wrote: "I agree that we shouldn't re-create the wheel -- I wonder if a
link to Jenna's Encylopedia &/or Steve's Lexicon in appropriate places could
be a way to handle it."

I feel the same. This is why I am trying to keep quoting, from the books, to
a minimum. For the character FAQ's I am trying to include a brief quote with
a description of the character and leave the rest to discussing the issues
raised by the group. If we include a link to one or both of these then I
think it would be appropriate to ask permission from the owner first.

Neil wrote: "It doesn't seem right to leave something out just because we
haven't discussed it. What do you think?"

But where do we draw the line and how do we know we have mentioned
everything?

Penny wrote: "I want people to perceive the FAQs as neutral & unbiased.
Should I solicit the group for thoughts on topics where we've got holes or
just post it with the holes (and then people can respond if they so
choose)?"

One possibility would be to select quotes from the book that seem for and
against an issue and then to leave it. If it comes up in the group in the
future then the FAQ's can always be updated.

Simon

PS: I am joking about the Harry/Hedwig thing!

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From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep  7 02:10:52 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 21:10:52 -0500
Subject: Formatting/Style Issues
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Hi:

Questions from the techie novice --

1.  Does it matter which program we compose our FAQs in?  I was using
Word 97 at the moment.

2.  Does it matter how I set the margins & which font & point size I
choose?  I assume we want them to all look standard.

3.  How can I judge how long a FAQ is becoming?  If I have 4.5 pages in
Word (with reasonably large margins & white space) -- is this "too much"
when it's converted to a FAQ (i.e., will it likely run multiple pages in
HTML)?  Does this even make sense -- or should I just compose without
regard to length?

4.  For updating purposes, how will each FAQ maintainor go about
updating his/her FAQs?  That is -- will I be required to learn HTML
coding in order to go in & update my FAQs?  That might be a good thing
if I were forced to learn --- just curious though.

5.  As a former English major, I'm a bit of a grammarian.  Does anyone
have any serious objections to Melanie & I doing final edits on all the
FAQs (purely for stylistic points -- nothing substantive)?  I would, of
course, be in favor of retaining the British spelling used by Neil &
Simon though.  I'm really talking about just proofing the FAQs to be
sure there aren't any typos or glaring grammar issues (or things that
are misspelled, whether judging by British English or American English).

Well, those are all my questions at the moment.

Penny




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 05:56:21 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 06:56:21 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Formatting/Style Issues (and dilemmas)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000907055621.009b3d6c@popmail.dircon.co.uk>


***

Penny wrote:

>5.  As a former English major, I'm a bit of a grammarian.  Does anyone
>have any serious objections to Melanie & I doing final edits on all the
>FAQs (purely for stylistic points -- nothing substantive)?  I would, of
>course, be in favor of retaining the British spelling used by Neil &
>Simon though.  I'm really talking about just proofing the FAQs to be
>sure there aren't any typos or glaring grammar issues (or things that
>are misspelled, whether judging by British English or American English).

***

I have no problem with your checking my FAQs, for whatever reason.  

Since you've raised this, it makes sense to affirm your editorial control of
the FAQs unless anyone has any objections.  I agree that the FAQs should be
proof-read and that, in style, they should form a reasonably compatible set
on all counts. In last Sunday's chat, Mike Gray was asking if he could help
at all, so I suggested that he might cast an eye over my FAQs and comment.
I was thinking more of content at that point, but it would serve as an
additional proof-read. I hope that's okay.  

***

Neil wrote: "It doesn't seem right to leave something out just because we
haven't discussed it. What do you think?"

Simon replied: But where do we draw the line and how do we know we have
mentioned everything?

***

I was thinking of things that could be listed by direct reference to the
books, such as spells/charms, rather than as yet undisclosed questions or
inconsistencies.  I was wondering whether I should list all the
spells/charms, for example, for the sake of completeness, or concentrate
only on those that have been discussed in the group, and then say at the end
'see HP Lexicon for full list of spells and charms' and put a link.  I think
Penny was agreeing with my proposal to list all of them and add discussion
where it has occurred.  

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Neil
  
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 14:39:18 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:39:18 -0400 
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Formatting/Style Issues (and dilemmas)
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A87F@FTLEXC1>

FFA wrote
> inconsistencies.  I was wondering whether I should list all the
> spells/charms, for example, for the sake of completeness, or 
> concentrate
> only on those that have been discussed in the group, and then 
> say at the end
> 'see HP Lexicon for full list of spells and charms' and put a 
> link.  I think
> Penny was agreeing with my proposal to list all of them and 
> add discussion
> where it has occurred.  

Here's my thought - and I'm nbot just saying this because it will make
writing the Mythical Creatures section much much easier : ) - I don't want
to reinvent the wheel. I do want something that, as we discuss Book IV more,
and possibly rehash portions of Books I-III as the year goes by, we can add
to regularly, as questions get asked and answered frequently.
In other words, who could've predicted this week's debate about Names Of
Various Animals ANd How That Affects The Marauder's Map? But now that it's
happened, it'll be something to go in the FAQ (and possibly in the
inconsistencies section). The same thing is going to keep happening, and if
we put "all" the answers into the FAQ now, will that stiffle discussion of
such topics in the future? 


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 16:19:13 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:19:13 -0000
Subject: No subject
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A little, at least.
One of my FAQs is the Nanci Stouffer lawsuit - and I wanted to do 
this one because I wanted to answer some of the questions about it 
which were asked before I joined the list - even if we decide to make 
the FAQs focus on what has been discussed before, would anyone object 
to me making a little legal analysis of the suit and, assuming I can 
get them, posting copies of the pleadings up here?

Also, Penny, I am doing the Wizarding World - general faq, but 
obviously, people are also already doing the Economy, Social Issues & 
Government FAQs - I'm not sure I can really finish the GENERAL FAQ 
without knowing more about the other 3, so I am going to leave this 
to be my final FAQ - as those of you doing the other 3 faqs work on 
yours,please keep me updated about what topics you are covering so I 
can avoid being redundant.




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 18:25:33 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:25:33 -0000
Subject: What are we calling ourselves?
Message-ID: <8p8mit+bjt1@eGroups.com>

In other words, instead of writing "Members of the HP4GU Club 
believe ...." could we consistantly shorten that to something else, 
like "HP4GU-ers" or "Members"?




From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 18:31:43 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:31:43 -0000
Subject: What are we calling ourselves?
Message-ID: <8p8muf+em72@eGroups.com>

In other words, instead of writing "Members of the HP4GU Club 
believe ...." could we consistantly shorten that to something else, 
like "HP4GU-ers" or "Members"?




From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep  7 19:35:03 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:35:03 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] What are we calling ourselves?
References: <8p8mit+bjt1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <39B7EDE7.9019D645@hic.net>

Hi --

heidi tandy wrote:

> In other words, instead of writing "Members of the HP4GU Club
> believe ...." could we consistantly shorten that to something else,
> like "HP4GU-ers" or "Members"?

I've been saying "Members" in the Romance FAQ.  As in "Some of our
members have the preposterous idea that Harry will link up with Cho,
despite the tragedies of GoF."  Just kidding!!!  I'm being unbiased -- I
swear!!

Seriously, I did use the phrases "members," "our members," "several
members," "many members," "other members,"  blah, blah, blah.

Heidi just sent me her first draft of the Geography FAQ to upload to the
Files section.  I'm going to read through it in a few hrs & will upload
it then.  I think that it's a great idea though for people to upload
their initial drafts whenever they're ready, and others can comment on
them.

Penny
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 19:32:34 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:32:34 -0400 
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] What are we calling ourselves?
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A88E@FTLEXC1>

Penny
 
Speaking of "preposterous", has anyone advanced the idea, which I've seen in
fanfics, of Sirius & Hermione (ew!)?

 ... As in "Some of our members have the preposterous idea that Harry will
link up with Cho, despite the tragedies of GoF."  Just kidding!!!  I'm being
unbiased -- I swear!! 

 



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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  7 19:42:22 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:42:22 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] What are we calling ourselves?
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Heidi.
Would you please be so kind as to translate?? Blinks??
Dee

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 19:55:59 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:55:59 -0400 
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] What are we calling ourselves?
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A890@FTLEXC1>

Denise - I'm not sure how my post came thru on the list - here it is again:
 
Speaking of "preposterous", has anyone advanced the idea, which I've seen in
fanfics, of Sirius & Hermione (ew!)?

-----Original Message-----




Heidi.
Would you please be so kind as to translate?? Blinks??
Dee
 

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 20:12:07 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:12:07 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ lists/Stouffer/'members' etc
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000907201207.009c54c0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Heidi wrote:

>The same thing is going to keep happening, and if
>we put "all" the answers into the FAQ now, will that stiffle discussion of
>such topics in the future? 

Perhaps I wasn't clear because I'm shifting my goalposts around.  I'm not
proposing raising or answering questions that aren't in the archives, only
listing items such as Charms/Spells or Magical Devices and then including
discussion under those that *have* been discussed.  Anyway, perhaps I'd
better just get on with it instead of labouring the point...

***

>Heidi also asked about the Stouffer lawsuit - should she, as a lawyer, make
an assessment of it?

Heidi, I think the Stouffer lawsuit is a bit exceptional and, IMO, it would
be good to include a legal perspective alongside all those insults we hurled
at her.  I suppose the aim of that FAQ is to avoid a 'who is this Stouffer
woman anyway' type of post, followed up with an 'oh, isn't this terrible,
how can she do this?'  Since most of us 'members' (I'd use that term too,
BTW) are not lawyers, we could only grind our teeth and exclaim at the
latest outrages on her website. Most of that stuff won't answer the burning
questions.

One last, general point.  I think I am going to limit myself to HP4GU, at
least for now, rather than looking in other clubs.  


Neil 
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   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 20:24:38 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:24:38 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Dilemna with My First FAQ (response and general comments)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000907202438.009d4f34@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Penny wrote:

>I like the idea of posing questions that seem to be unanswered for
>further discussion points.  And I think you're right that this is
>especially true for the character FAQs.  By the by -- I did a brief
>character sketch of McGonagall on another listserve (hpanonymous) in
>response to someone's argument that JKR's female characters are weak.
>Should I forward my thoughts or save it to raise with the group later?

***

I posed the 'posing questions' idea and then went off it.  On second
thoughts, I suggest we cut our suit according to our cloth. If the
McGonagall piece looks thin (there's arguably enough material to make a pair
of socks for Dumbledore), it might encourage some new thoughts.  The same
goes for any other thin topic.  

Penny, I'd suggest keeping your MM piece up your sleeve for later, as it
might trigger some discussion. If I plonk it in the FAQ on its own now, it
could just sit there unnoticed.

Neil (who hasn't actually looked at the McGonagall messages yet and may be
surprised)  

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep  7 20:22:01 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:22:01 -0400 
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ lists/Stouffer/'members' etc
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A892@FTLEXC1>

FFA wrote
> we could only grind our teeth and exclaim at the
> latest outrages on her website. Most of that stuff won't 
> answer the burning
> questions.
> 

What *are* the burning questions on this issue? Looking at it from the
non-trademark-lawyer perspective will help me put togehter the FAQ


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 20:43:05 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:43:05 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] What are we calling ourselves?
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Heidi wrote:


>Speaking of "preposterous", has anyone advanced the idea, which I've seen in
>fanfics, of Sirius & Hermione (ew!)?


I'm afraid I have advanced the idea that Hermione would go for an older man.
I think I suggested Lupin or Sirius, those being the only remotely sexy
still-alive older men in the books (unless you count Lockhart and Lucius
Malfoy), but it may have been in the chat room, where advancing
preposterously seems to be the done thing.

I have no doubt that Hermione will have a relationship before the word
'scar' marks the end of the Harry Potter series (I can't bring myself to
call it a canon - I'm just not literary enough).  It just won't be with
Harry, Ron or Krum though.  It will probably be some old guy who has barely
crossed our minds.  

I know that when Penny looks into the Mirror of Erised she sees Harry and
Hermione locked in a hot embrace, so I'll avoid rehashing this 'old guy'
theory in HP4GU in case she has to put it in the 'Romance Pairings' FAQ...
or will I <g>.

...the gleam in Neil's eye   
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

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   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

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From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep  7 22:32:59 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:32:59 -0500
Subject: Hermione & Older Guy Theories
References: <1.5.4.32.20000907204305.009d9abc@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39B8179B.490BAEF5@hic.net>

Hi --

Neil Ward wrote:

> I'm afraid I have advanced the idea that Hermione would go for an
> older man. I think I suggested Lupin or Sirius, those being the only
> remotely sexy still-alive older men in the books (unless you count
> Lockhart and Lucius Malfoy), but it may have been in the chat room,
> where advancing
> preposterously seems to be the done thing.

Must have been in the chat room as I didn't see any messages from you
advancing this theory (unless they're in the batches not yet done).
Anyway . . . .she already has gone for an older man (and had more of a
romance than the other major characters).  I wouldn't be surprised if
she had another fling with another older man before the series/canon
ends though.

> I know that when Penny looks into the Mirror of Erised she sees Harry
> and
> Hermione locked in a hot embrace, so I'll avoid rehashing this 'old
> guy'
> theory in HP4GU in case she has to put it in the 'Romance Pairings'
> FAQ... or will I <g>.

Now, now!  Trying to guess the "deepest most desperate desires" of my
heart, are you?  <g>  Hmmph.  Well . . . . who's to say I would be
picturing Harry (PoU-aged) in a hot embrace with *Hermione* (ooh, did I
just say that out loud?) .  <vbg>

Nope, as I said on the main group yesterday -- I'll tell everyone what
the boggart would turn into if it saw me . . . . but I'm not divulging
what I might see in the Mirror of Erised.  Actually, *I'm* not even sure
I know what it would be (but, the above *was* a joke -- I seriously
doubt I'd see anything HP-related).

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep  7 22:39:10 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:39:10 +0100
Subject: FAQ's (well this subject line is so original)
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEAFCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hi all;

I am away for a couple of days (i.e. the weekend) and will be getting down
to serious FAQ writing when I get back.
While we were having all the Yahoo problems I decided to unsubscribe. Now I
cannot resubscribe and so cannot get into any of the chats!

"How can I judge how long a FAQ is becoming?"

One of the few bits of advice that anyone has given me about writing web
pages is that people do not really like to scroll too much. I have no idea
if this is true but generally go with the idea of producing lots of smaller
pages. This can however lead to the opposite problem of making too many
different pages to be viewed to get the required information.

I am at the moment working on the predictions for books 5,6 and 7 FAQ and
the major decision I seem to have is whether to make it one page or one for
each book. The matter is complicated, as some predictions do not really fall
into being in one book or another. Ideas?

"As a former English major, I'm a bit of a grammarian.  Does anyone have any
serious objections to Melanie & I doing final edits on all the FAQ's (purely
for stylistic points -- nothing substantive)?"

This sounds like a very good point as far as I am concerned. My spelling and
grammar can be very bad!

"I was thinking of things that could be listed by direct reference to the
books, such as spells/charms, rather than as yet undisclosed questions or
inconsistencies... I think Penny was agreeing with my proposal to list all
of them and add discussion where it has occurred."

Sorry for the misunderstanding of the question asked. I guess this is what I
have done on the start of the wand FAQ and it seems a reasonable aproach.

"For updating purposes, how will each FAQ maintainor go about updating
his/her FAQ's?  That is -- will I be required to learn HTML coding in order
to go in & update my FAQ's?  That might be a good thing if I were forced to
learn --- just curious though."

I am not sure about how the maintenance should work. If we could convince a
larger number of people to get involved at this stage it would be fantastic.
As we are now on e-groups and this has a better search facility (I believe
this is the case but have yet to try it) it may just be a case of
encouraging newbie's to search through the archives.
One way of learning some HTML is to compare a document you have written with
the HTML page it becomes. This is in sort of the way that I learnt the HTML
that I know use. I used to use authoring programs, such as Publisher,
Frontage and Word, but now go straight into Notepad.

Simon

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From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep  8 02:29:56 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:29:56 -0500
Subject: First FAQ Draft
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEAFCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39B84F24.17AE09BC@hic.net>

Hi --

I've edited Heidi's Geography FAQ & uploaded it in Word.  Wondering if
we should make some standardization decisions while we're all early on
in the process --

1.  Heidi had said "Messages: 5445, 5667, N32, N111" with the "N" meant
to distinguish the new egroups from the old Yahoo messages (I presume
anyway).  I changed it so that it says "See Yahoo Messages (URL to
Archives): xx, yy, zz."  I then started a new line and said "See also
Egroups Messages (URL to Homepage): aa, bb, cc."

Does this make sense?  Does anyone have any better ideas?  We obviously
need to be clear about where people can find the messages, so I thought
the URLs might be helpful.  But, if that's cumbersome & someone has a
better thought, I'm open to suggestions.

2.  Heidi also used "Book III" or "Book IV."  I was in the process of
changing them to PoA & GoF, respectively, when I got to the first
reference to Book 1.  If we adopt my method of using the standard
abbreviations that we use on the list, should we call Book 1 as PS or
SS?  I opted for PS (as I've always thought it was so ridiculous that
they changed the title over here).  But, should we go back to Heidi's
system instead to avoid confusion?

Heidi -- You'll see that I mainly added some white space -- formatting.
Melanie may have other ideas when she starts looking at the HTML
conversion.  I like white space though.  <g>

The only substantive change I made was to the Burrow section -- you'll
see what I did I think.  I was an active participant in those
discussions as it was right before we left for England.

> While we were having all the Yahoo problems I decided to unsubscribe.
> Now I cannot resubscribe and so cannot get into any of the chats!

Simon -- sorry you're unable to resubscribe.  I guess Yahoo is still
messed up & noone can join?  I wonder why the Club stats show that
people have been joining virtually every day since we moved to egroups?
Makes no sense, does it?

> I am at the moment working on the predictions for books 5,6 and 7 FAQ
> and
> the major decision I seem to have is whether to make it one page or
> one for each book. The matter is complicated, as some predictions do
> not really fall into being in one book or another. Ideas?

I think, based on the little that I remember about the prediction
discussions, that it might be easier to not divide them by book.  So
many of the predictions are just predictions for a "later book" & not
specific to 5, 6 or 7.

Neil -- I do agree with the idea of listing out each wand, spell,
magical device, magical creature, etc. & then just listing whatever is
known or has been discussed about each one.  Sort of like small
encyclopedia entries.  Then, there can be one link at the bottom of the
FAQ to the Lexicon or Jenna's Encyclopedia, etc.  Simon is right - I
suppose we should approach both Jenna & Steve soon & be sure they are
okay with us linking to their respective sites.  Anyone want to
volunteer to do this?  Good luck getting a response from Jenna.  <g>

Heidi -- I do think it would be great for you to add some legal analysis
to the Stouffer FAQ.  I'm sure I don't need to tell you to heap loads of
qualifiers into whatever you say though.  <g>

I'm tackling Wizarding World - Govt next I think.  I agree with Heidi's
thoughts to save Wizarding World -- General for last.  You'll have seen
all the other Wizarding World FAQs by that point & will know what still
hasn't been addressed.  Speaking of the Gov't FAQ -- can anyone tell me
if it's possible (Melanie?  <g>) for me to have an org chart of sorts
included (you know, with the little boxes & the connecting lines)?  Is
this something that could be graphically done in HTML if I draw it out
longhand?  I might be able to access a software program that will do
this, but I have *no* idea if it would then convert to the necessary
HTML easily or not.  Thoughts?

Okay -- that's it for tonight.

Penny
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep  8 03:35:48 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:35:48 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] First FAQ Draft
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000908033548.009bf204@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

>2.  Heidi also used "Book III" or "Book IV."  I was in the process of
>changing them to PoA & GoF, respectively, when I got to the first
>reference to Book 1.  If we adopt my method of using the standard
>abbreviations that we use on the list, should we call Book 1 as PS or
>SS?  I opted for PS (as I've always thought it was so ridiculous that
>they changed the title over here).  But, should we go back to Heidi's
>system instead to avoid confusion?

There is some merit in using Book I, Book II etc, in that we can then be
consistent when referring to predictions for Books V, VI and VII, for which
we don't have titles.  Otherwise, I would go with PS, CoS, PoA, GoF.  A
third option would be to use different abbreviations like, 'Stone',
'Chamber', 'Prisoner', 'Goblet'.

Neil
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

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   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  8 03:58:32 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:58:32 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] First FAQ Draft
References: <1.5.4.32.20000908033548.009bf204@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011a01c01949$0f441140$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

As a potential reader, Neil,
I think that keeping the existing abbrev's (GoF, etc) or the Book # would be the best.  If you switch to a new way, "Stone", "Chamber", etc, you'll confuse the hell out of an already confused blonde!

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep  8 04:36:18 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 05:36:18 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] First FAQ Draft
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000908043618.00756dd8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 23:58 09/07/2000 -0400, Dee wrote:

>As a potential reader, Neil,
>I think that keeping the existing abbrev's (GoF, etc) or the Book # would
be the best.  If you switch to a new way, "Stone", "Chamber", etc, you'll
confuse the hell out of an already confused blonde!

I know.  It was a 'last resort' type of idea, with no chance of being taken up. 

Neil  
            Flying-Ford-Anglia

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   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  8 06:15:24 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Page length
Message-ID: <20000908061524.26520.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com>


 Simon Branford <simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk> wrote: 

"How can I judge how long a FAQ is becoming?"

One of the few bits of advice that anyone has given me about writing web
pages is that people do not really like to scroll too much. I have no idea
if this is true but generally go with the idea of producing lots of smaller
pages. This can however lead to the opposite problem of making too many
different pages to be viewed to get the required information.


Is this an answer to your original question Penny?

It's becomming evident that many of us use the WWW in very different ways.  As far as page lengths, I have seen FAQs in both styles.  The style where each topic is on its own page and the style where the whole nine-yards is on one very long page.  I would expect that most people won't be printing this thing out which would be the strongest reason to to use the later.  A long page also requires that the entire page load rather than just the section the user is interested in.

I don't know much about it, but the little people in the Linux area generate their HTML pages using other tools.  Their HTML pages, however, are VERY plain (I give an example link below) and without graphical fluff.  But this method (the Linux method) allows many sectioned pages to be generated by one large (I assume) source file.

For an example format of a rather large but well orgazined FAQ, look at this (http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/index.html).  The entire contents are on the first page and each major section is on another page.  Also note, that their sections are cross-linked (and at second glance not all that simple).

Now if we are going to be adding graphical fonts to the headers, this will slow down the loading time and the Linux method won't work.  I guess it comes down to what are the priorities:

   Fast loading time without (many if any) graphics
   Consistent look
   Fancy graphics
   Content
   Format
   Entertainment
   Information


I can look into the plain-joe formatter used by the Linux method if there is any interest and get back to everyone by the weekend.  As probably everyone has figured out, I like to simplify tasks for other people (what a strange thrill).

However, since we want to entertain as well as inform, we can make the thing pretty (but create additional up front work and possibly maintance.)

I guess I should also ask, how is the writting going?  Do you feel that you are spending too much time formatting?  If that is the case, we should work towards off-loading that chore onto a non-FAQ author (as Simon mentioned).

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  8 06:25:19 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:25:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] First FAQ Draft
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 Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote: 


There is some merit in using Book I, Book II etc, in that we can then be
consistent when referring to predictions for Books V, VI and VII, for which
we don't have titles. Otherwise, I would go with PS, CoS, PoA, GoF. A
third option would be to use different abbreviations like, 'Stone',
'Chamber', 'Prisoner', 'Goblet'.


Stone, Chamber, Prisoner, Goblet translates well.  It also reads faster and sounds more precise.  I once had to think three times to translate PS into SS into Sorcerer's Stone.  I can't imagine now not knowing SS/PS are the same but deserted islands do exist.

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From sarvalsha at dellnet.com  Fri Sep  8 06:58:38 2000
From: sarvalsha at dellnet.com (Margaret McNie)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:58:38 -0700
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Egroups Search
References: <20000908062519.14537.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c01962$384e0320$aba51c3f@fxgg10b>

I have been using the egroups search to get the appropriate messages for my FAQs. However, the search function returns these messages in the incorrect (to me) order with the most recent one first. It's like trying to read a book from the back to the front. Is this one of the 'special' features of egroups or is there a way to tell it to give me the messages with the oldest one first? 

Margaret 


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   Neil Ward <neilward at dircon.co.uk> wrote: 



    There is some merit in using Book I, Book II etc, in that we can then be
    consistent when referring to predictions for Books V, VI and VII, for which
    we don't have titles. Otherwise, I would go with PS, CoS, PoA, GoF. A
    third option would be to use different abbreviations like, 'Stone',
    'Chamber', 'Prisoner', 'Goblet'.


  Stone, Chamber, Prisoner, Goblet translates well.  It also reads faster and sounds more precise.  I once had to think three times to translate PS into SS into Sorcerer's Stone.  I can't imagine now not knowing SS/PS are the same but deserted islands do exist.

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep  8 12:18:17 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:18:17 +0100
Subject: FAQ's
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEAOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"Heidi had said "Messages: 5445, 5667, N32, N111" with the "N" meant to
distinguish the new egroups from the old Yahoo messages (I presume anyway).
I changed it so that it says "See Yahoo Messages (URL to Archives): xx, yy,
zz."  I then started a new line and said "See also Egroups Messages (URL to
Homepage): aa, bb, cc.
Does this make sense?  Does anyone have any better ideas?  We obviously need
to be clear about where people can find the messages, so I thought the URLs
might be helpful."

In the FAQ's I am writing at the moment I have written things such as:
Penny - Yahoo 2816 (this is a message in which Penny makes predictions for
the future books). This is for the predictions FAQ and I will probably
change to just listing the relevant message numbers for most of the others.
It is possible to make the message number a link to the e-group archive,
directly to the message if required (I am unsure of the exact url required
but it should be easy enough to work out and put in). At the moment I am
putting all this information in as footnotes. Do we want it as footnotes or
do we want the information to come straight after the relevant comments or
messages?

"I would expect that most people won't be printing this thing out which
would be the strongest reason to to use the later.  A long page also
requires that the entire page load rather than just the section the user is
interested in."

I am heading towards writing the FAQ's as a series of fairly long pages. I
am thinking it is probably best to have long pages for groups, such as the
Weasley family, but then having separate pages for the FAQ's on the major
characters (In this case I would make the FAQ on Ron separate as it will
probably be quite long). I will then cross link throughout the document to
make it easier to use.

Have all the messages now been sorted through and the FORT table updated?

Simon

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From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep  8 13:20:52 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:20:52 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEAOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39B8E7B4.59DBA2F1@hic.net>

Hi -

Simon Branford wrote:

> It is possible to make the message number a link to the e-group
> archive,
> directly to the message if required (I am unsure of the exact url
> required but it should be easy enough to work out and put in).

Can someone tell me how to do this?  Or, is it something that will get
done when my FAQ is translated into HTML?  I don't want to create extra
work for Melanie (or whoever else might be helping with the technical
end of things).

> At the moment I am putting all this information in as footnotes. Do we
> want it as footnotes or do we want the information to come straight
> after the relevant comments or messages?

I like the idea of footnotes.  I think Heidi's Geography FAQ is handled
appropriately though -- she has message #s after each paragraph
(Hogwarts, Durmstrang, Beauxbatons, the Burrow, etc.).  In other cases,
it will make more sense to just have footnotes within the text & the
references all at the very bottom (end) of the FAQ.

> Have all the messages now been sorted through and the FORT table
> updated?

No.  But my part should (hopefully) be complete by the end of today, as
I'd like to soon focus just on writing the FAQs.  Here's what I think is
probably done & still to be done --

001 - 350 -- Have Dee's messages been entered into FORT?
351 - 700 -- Heidi (I think it's in FORT, but I'm not sure there is a
separate file)
701 - 1050 -- Melanie (???)
1051 - 1400 -- Melanie (????)
1401 - 1750 -- Joy (Separate File & FORT done)
1751 - 2100 -- Joy (Separate File & FORT done)
2101 - 2450 -- Anna (Separate File & FORT done)
2451 - 2800 -- Paul (Separate File & FORT done)
2801 - 3150 -- Heidi (Separate File & FORT done)
3151 - 3400 -- Joywitch (Separate File & FORT done)
3400 - 3500 -- Penny (TO BE DONE)
3501 - 3850 -- Ebony (Separate File Done ------ FORT still to be done)
3851 - 4200 -- Margaret (Separate File & FORT done)
4201 - 4550 -- Simon (Separate File & FORT done)
4551 - 4900 -- Neil (Separate File & FORT done)
4901 - 5250 -- Trina (Separate File & FORT done)
5251 - 5600 -- Carole (Separate File & FORT done)
5601 - 5950 -- Melanie (Separate File & FORT done)
5951 - 6300 -- Anna (Separate File done -- not sure about FORT)
6301 - 7000 -- Penny (Separate File & FORT done)
7001 - 7350 -- Heidi (FORT done -- no separate file??)
7351 - 7700 -- Anna (????)
7701 - 8000 -- Penny (TO BE DONE)

Please let me know if any of the above is wrong.  I'll do my part to
finish up today (just because I want it off my plate so I can focus on
writing).  We know Ebony said she'd put hers into FORT this weekend (&
we have a separate file in any case).

Penny
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From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  8 13:27:11 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:27:11 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEAOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39B8E7B4.59DBA2F1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <006f01c01998$82980c60$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

How to:

something along the lines of 
</tr>
<tr valign="top" align="left">
 <td colspan=18 height=30></td>
 <td colspan=5 rowspan=1 width=15 align="center" valign="middle"><a href="http://profiles.yahoo.com/Lady__Nightfall"><img height=30 width=15 src="ankh.gif" border=0 ></a></td> 
 
Just for an example?  That is copied and pasted from a page I made.  Grins.  And yes, that is my character sheet/profile for my vampire in RPG.

Thanks!
Dee

It is possible to make the message number a link to the e-group archive, 
directly to the message if required (I am unsure of the exact url required but it should be easy enough to work out and put in).
  Can someone tell me how to do this?  Or, is it something that will get done when my FAQ is translated into HTML?  I don't want to create extra work for Melanie (or whoever else might be helping with the technical end of things). 

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From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Fri Sep  8 22:09:39 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 8 Sep 2000 22:09:39 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <968450979.20742@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /3400-3500.summary.htm 
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You can access this file at the URL

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From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep  8 22:40:25 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:40:25 -0000
Subject: Update
Message-ID: <8pbpsp+upcu@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I have uploaded a file with the 3400-3500 messages that Joywitch 
missed out of her batch.  I have entered those into FORT.

I also entered Dee's posts into FORT this morning.  

The only thing remaining on my end is to go through 7700 - 8000 and 
enter into FORT.  That should be done by late tonight or early 
tomorrow (God willing).  

Penny




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  9 03:20:21 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:20:21 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update
References: <8pbpsp+upcu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <020001c01a0c$e40a8bc0$a6cdd2cc@neo.rr.com>

PENNY,
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

yes, I am yelling my thanks!

:D
Dee

      ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Penny Linsenmayer 
  To: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:40 PM
  Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update



       
       My Groups | HP4GU-FAQ Main Page | Start a new group!  


  Hi --

  I have uploaded a file with the 3400-3500 messages that Joywitch 
  missed out of her batch.  I have entered those into FORT.

  I also entered Dee's posts into FORT this morning.  

  The only thing remaining on my end is to go through 7700 - 8000 and 
  enter into FORT.  That should be done by late tonight or early 
  tomorrow (God willing).  

  Penny


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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  9 19:34:20 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:34:20 -0000
Subject: Still working on FORT...
Message-ID: <8pe3bs+c8bk@eGroups.com>

As I said, please be patient with me.  I overslept this morning and 
woke up *much* later than I intended.  I've been returning e-mails 
all morning to parents and *all* of the lists I'm on, so my Hotmail 
account doesn't explode and AOL messages don't get lost.

I was under the impression that FORT entry was optional, not 
mandatory until about a week ago when I issued the SOS.  When I 
originally joined the FAQ team and did the database, I was on summer 
vacation.  Suddenly teaching, an overload of grad classes, and moving 
have occupied lots of my time--and now I'll have to pack up my 
computer sometime later today or early tomorrow.  I won't be online 
again until my phone is turned on Monday night... and then I have a 
paper due on Tuesday.

"No excuse is a good excuse" is my mantra.  So expect the FORT entry 
to be done ASAP.  I do apologize for the inconvenience and 
misunderstanding on my part.

Ebony AKA AngieJ




From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sat Sep  9 23:38:44 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 9 Sep 2000 23:38:44 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <968542724.4991@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /7700-8000.summary.htm 
  Uploaded by : linsenma at hic.net 
  Description :  

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HP4GU-FAQ/7700-8000%2Esummary%2Ehtm 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

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Regards,

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From linsenma at hic.net  Sun Sep 10 15:42:13 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:42:13 -0000
Subject: Update
Message-ID: <8pga4l+33jt@eGroups.com>

Hi --

Yesterday, I uploaded a file of 7700-7827 (it's labelled 7700 - 8000 
because I thought we had 8000 Yahoo messages).  Turns out we only
have 
7827 or so thus far.  I guess I'll continue to check that site 
periodically & update, but things have slowed way down over there.  
There are still occasional posts but I think our core membership has 
migrated to egroups.  

I have added the 7700 - 7827 messages into FORT.  

Ebony -- If you're too busy to get to the FORT stuff, I'll be happy
to 
enter your messages for you.  I know you're swamped, and I think
maybe 
I could have done a better job of communicating early on with this 
group (before the teachers & students went back to school).  I wasn't 
too clear that we were definitely going to be doing FORT myself until 
mid-way through.  I'm still largely relying on the individual files, 
because I find it's easier. I was planning to use FORT as a final 
check.  Anyway . . . . feel free to let me know if your schedule is 
getting too overwhelming & you need me to enter your stuff into FORT.

Formatting Questions -- noone ever really said, but is there an
*easy* 
way to provide a link directly to the messages being cited?  Dee 
posted some sort of coding example that made *no* sense whatever to 
me.  I have zero background in computer programming (zero!).  If that 
is what's required, I will need someone else to code mine for me as 
that's completely out of my technical skill-set.  Or, should we just 
go with providing the HPforGrownups-Archive & HPforGrownups (egroups) 
URLs at the beginning of each set of messages cited?  

As for page length & page set-up (frames v no-frames) and the like -- 
I'll leave those decisions to you experts.  I assume it's fine if I 
just set about writing my FAQs into Word & let someone else figure
out 
how it should all be set up on the website?  

Penny






From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 10 16:37:59 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:37:59 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update
References: <8pga4l+33jt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <014701c01b46$38eb9dc0$45d9d2cc@neo.rr.com>

LOL Poor Penny!  I just wanted to clarify that what I sent you (the group) was a HREF line, where you have words on the line like "CLICK HERE" that actually are a hyper-text link to a new page.  Does that help?  HREF is just the word used to describe it to folks, don't worry about it if that confuses you!  It's like IMG SRC which is for pictures in the same manner (It brings in those photos that you uploaded to your file manager, and you plop them where you want using that line.)

Now that I have utterly confused you, I will log off with something on a different note:


10 HPFAQS-CHARACTER-NAME           PIC X(20).
20 HPFAQS-CHARACTER-CASTING        PIC X(40).

:D

LOL!  Gotta love Cobol!  

Dee


Formatting Questions -- noone ever really said, but is there an
*easy* 
way to provide a link directly to the messages being cited?  Dee 
posted some sort of coding example that made *no* sense whatever to 
me.  I have zero background in computer programming (zero!).  If that 
is what's required, I will need someone else to code mine for me as 
that's completely out of my technical skill-set.
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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 10 17:30:42 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update
Message-ID: <20000910173042.10860.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>


Penny Linsenmayer <linsenma at hic.net> wrote: 

Formatting Questions -- noone ever really said, but is there an
*easy* 
way to provide a link directly to the messages being cited? Dee 
posted some sort of coding example that made *no* sense whatever to 
me.


I'm assuming that MS Word 97 is being used to write these FAQ pages.  This program is a bit of a pain since it may not do exactly what you want.  But here's an example of how to get it to:

   You want to have the text "See message Y-1234." where "Y-1234" is a hyperlink to the eGroups Archive site and open a new browser window that opens message 1234.  MS Word 97 is already running and your web page is being edited as a web page.

   Type the text "See message Y-1234."

   Highlight (i.e. select) the text "Y-1234"

   Choose menu: Insert-->Hyperlink...

   The 'Insert Hyperlink' menu box will appear at which point you should type the following into the field 'Link to file or URL:'

http://www.egroups.com/message/HPforGrownups-Archives/1234

Everythink else will be blank and no boxes will be checked.  Press Enter.

   Okay.  Now for the real pain.  I'm guessing that you want a new browser window to be used (I know would.)  So, at this point you need to edit the HTML crud directly by choosing from the menu: View-->HTML Source

   You will see tagged text like the following:

See message <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/message/HPforGrownups-Archives/1234">Y-1234</A>.

Change it to:

<P>See message <A HREF="http://www.egroups.com/message/HPforGrownups-Archives/1234" target=_blank>Y-1234</A>.</P>The important think is to add "target=_blank" into the <A HREF> area if you want a new browser window to pop open.


Word 2000 may be better at this but I haven't installed it yet.  Someone else may know this answer.  At any rate, if a new browser window is more trouble than its worth, just stop after finishing step 5.


Paul

 



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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Sep 10 18:54:28 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:54:28 +0100
Subject: Footnotes and everything else
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCECBCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello all;

Fresh back from another camping trip and a mere 200 e-mails to catch up on!

Penny wrote the following about linking to the club archives: "Can someone
tell me how to do this?  Or, is it something that will get done when my FAQ
is translated into HTML?"

The following code, put in the appropriate place, will cause a new browser
window to open up with the required message from the archives (the one below
is for Yahoo message 2816):
<a href="http://www.egroups.com/message/HPforGrownups-Archives/2816"
target="new">Penny - Yahoo 2816</a>

The bit that says 'Penny - Yahoo 2816' is the text that is viewable when the
code is opened in the browser. To change for use on any other message the
2816 will need to be changed to the appropriate message number.

It will probably be best to put it in when the FAQ is converted into HTML.

Simon

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From ebonyink at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 10 20:17:49 2000
From: ebonyink at hotmail.com (Ebony Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:17:49 -0000
Subject: Done with FORT additions!
Message-ID: <8pgq9d+ifsb@eGroups.com>

Hi Penny and all:

Remember the White Rabbit from Disney's Alice in Wonderland?

I'm done!  I'm done!  I'm done-I'm done-I'm done!

On to the FAQs... wait just a minute... which FAQs am I doing?  
(scratches head)

Ebony AKA AngieJ






From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Sun Sep 10 23:38:46 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 10 Sep 2000 23:38:46 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <968629126.25995@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /701-1400.htm 
  Uploaded by : melaniem68 at home.com 
  Description : Messages 701-1400 by Melanie 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HP4GU-FAQ/701-1400%2Ehtm 

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From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 04:47:06 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Multi-topic post
Message-ID: <20000911044706.27034.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com>

> 701 - 1050 -- Melanie (???)
> 1051 - 1400 -- Melanie (????)


Separate file loaded, FORT still needs to be done.  I'm sorry it
took so long to get this done.  Most of the time, I can keep up
to date at work, but we've been EXTREMELY busy this last month
or so.

A couple other items I've been meaning to address:

Penny's "shipper" dilemma:

I know this ship has probably sailed, but in case it hasn't, I
thought I'd add my 2 cents.  You may be able to even your lists
out more if, in addition to whether or not these couples SHOULD
get together, you also address predictions of whether each WILL
get together.  Does that make sense?

Even if the list isn't equal, that's fine.  Remember Ross's
Rachel vs. Julie pro/con list on "Friends" (2nd season)?  If I
remember correctly, he had several "pros" for each, but his
"con" list was rather uneven.  He had several for Rachel, but
the only one for Julie was "She's not Rachem" (typo Chandler's,
not mine <g>).  Yet he picked Rachel.

*******

Formatting:

I think, for consistancy's sake, one person should set up the
HTML code after all the questions are turned in and proofread. 
I'll be happy to do that in October (I hope work's more moderate
by then).  But I'd still like your input on the general look of
the pages.  And if anyone else would like to do the HTML instead
of me, let me know.


I think that's all I have for now, 
Melanie



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From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 05:12:13 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My "remember when" posts
Message-ID: <20000911051213.1033.qmail@web4805.mail.yahoo.com>

I promised Heidi I'd post my "remember whens," but I wanted to
wait until I'd finished going through my posts.

A couple of them did stand out to me.

1) This message from Penny is reminiscent of a slower time on
Harry Potter for Grownups.  Into that peace came one Mr Beckhorn
to tell us how horrible this series was, and that we should be
ashamed of ourselves for tolerating it (let alone enjoying it). 
As it turned out, he was a friend of Voicelady's playing an
April Fools prank.  But, as Penny pointed out,

<<He was quite convincing, wasn't he? And, we posted more
messages this past week than in any other one-week period!>>

Famous last words, Penny? <g>  Compared to the club's activity
these days, that would've been a rather slow week!


2)  This jocular prediction from Randy actually came rather
close to the Harry/Voldemort battle of the wands, with Harry's
parents coming out in semi-transparent form:

<<I guess Dumbledore will fight wands with Darth and
mysteriously disappear in mid battle. He then appears to Harry
in a semi-transparent form whenever Harry needs help.>>



Well, good night.  If not tonight, I should have my 701-1400
messages in the FORT database by tomorrow night.  Thank you for
your patience.

Melanie


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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Tue Sep 12 02:25:41 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:25:41 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEAOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39B8E7B4.59DBA2F1@hic.net>
Message-ID: <39BD9425.8A1E6FBF@the-beach.net>



Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer wrote:

> I like the idea of footnotes.  I think Heidi's Geography FAQ is
> handled appropriately though -- she has message #s after each
> paragraph (Hogwarts, Durmstrang, Beauxbatons, the Burrow, etc.).  In
> other cases, it will make more sense to just have footnotes within the
> text & the references all at the very bottom (end) of the FAQ.

Glad ytou liked it that way - given the numerous subparts (and thanks
for the Burrow edits!) it was the only way it made sense. I also like
using the Shortened Names of Books style.

> 351 - 700 -- Heidi (I think it's in FORT, but I'm not sure there is a
> separate file)
> 2801 - 3150 -- Heidi (Separate File & FORT done)
> 7001 - 7350 -- Heidi (FORT done -- no separate file??)
>

I didn't do separate files for any but the first one, because it was
just so much easier to make notes on the printed out chart - I hope
that's not a problem - I could go backto my original notes & create one
if I had to.

And on a i-still-have-to-do-this-faq issue, I spent the weekened in NYC
& went to the Warner Bros store - in the windor, they had a GREAT
display, including an 8+ feet tall FAMOUS WITCHES & WIZARD CARD
featuring Our Hero with his wand - I wish I'd had film in my camera
(DARN!) - more about What They Had For Sale in my post to the list later
: )

ALso, for the NAMES & MEANINGS FAQ, should I be inclyuding the recent
debate on The Meaning of Your Name?




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Tue Sep 12 04:39:49 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:39:49 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000912043949.009b37e0@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Penny wrote:

"I like the idea of footnotes.  I think Heidi's Geography FAQ is
handled appropriately though -- she has message #s after each
paragraph (Hogwarts, Durmstrang, Beauxbatons, the Burrow, etc.).  In
other cases, it will make more sense to just have footnotes within the
text & the references all at the very bottom (end) of the FAQ."

I agree with this approach.  However, for the casting FAQ, I won't be citing
messages that suggested an actor for a particular part (what a surprise),
I'll just list the suggestions.  I'm only part way through the messages for
that one, but, apart from stuff on the film itself, the only substantial
topics seem to be 'American vs British actors/accents' and 'suitability of
child actors' (and JKR's involvement in casting, as I recall).

A quick progress report:

At the moment, I'm transferring relevant messages for each topic into
composite files before starting to put the FAQs together.  I've been using
FORT (downloaded a few days ago) as a reference point, then free-searching
the .txt files for further information.  With Character Accents, virtually
all the messages were picked up by searching, and I'm assuming most of the
relevant messages were in batches that hadn't been added to the FORT.  

I haven't looked at the eGroups messages yet; I think I'll draft the FAQs
from the Yahoo files and then edit in the more recent information.    

I'm leaving Snape until last, as it's so sprawling, and I doubt I'll get a
chance to look at it in depth until October (after next weekend, I'll have
to disappear under my Invisibility Cloak for a few weeks, I'm afraid, to
concentrate on my job).  

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep 14 20:40:30 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:40:30 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Multi-topic post
References: <20000911044706.27034.qmail@web4801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39C137BE.6DDAD4B4@hic.net>

Hi --

Melanie Moore wrote:

> Separate file loaded, FORT still needs to be done.  I'm sorry it
> took so long to get this done.  Most of the time, I can keep up
> to date at work, but we've been EXTREMELY busy this last month
> or so.

Not to worry -- I can fully understand a busy schedule (I'm sure most of
us can!).  Thanks for taking on these extra groupings.

> I think, for consistancy's sake, one person should set up the
> HTML code after all the questions are turned in and proofread.
> I'll be happy to do that in October (I hope work's more moderate
> by then).  But I'd still like your input on the general look of
> the pages.  And if anyone else would like to do the HTML instead
> of me, let me know.

I'll personally be all too happy to let you do all the HTML formatting.
Thanks!!!

Quick update from me --

1.  I'm taking my FAQs assignment with me this weekend.  Husband's firm
retreat -- I'm only invited to the Sat night function and fully expect
to have lots of free time to work on the FAQs in the hotel room.  He's
assured me we can dial into the internet through his firm's Dallas
server so . . . we'll see.  In any case, I'm really hoping to get
substantial work on my FAQs this weekend.

2.  What I think we might still be missing --

    Anna -- have you done 7351 - 7700 yet?

    Heidi -- you did 351 - 700 & 7001- 7350?  If I understand you
correctly, these are in FORT but not in separate files.  True?  Separate
files aren't absolutely necessary if it would be a hassle to recreate.
I just wanted to confirm that they are in FORT at this point.

Otherwise -- I think we're *done* with that aspect!!  Yay!!!!

I probably will miss the chat on Sunday as we'll be on the road home,
but I hope to keep up with email this weekend.

Penny
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From rawaherc at cs.com  Thu Sep 14 20:31:13 2000
From: rawaherc at cs.com (rawaherc at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:31:13 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Multi-topic post
Message-ID: <70.3015397.26f28f91@cs.com>

In a message dated 9/14/00 4:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linsenma at hic.net 
writes:

<< 
     Anna -- have you done 7351 - 7700 yet? >>
Not done yet, but will be by Sunday morning, if thats OK?

Anna (and Chris)

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From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep 14 20:57:55 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:57:55 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Multi-topic post
References: <70.3015397.26f28f91@cs.com>
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Hi

rawaherc at cs.com wrote:

> Anna -- have you done 7351 - 7700 yet? >>

> Not done yet, but will be by Sunday morning, if thats OK?
>

Sounds great to me!  Thanks again --

Penny
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From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:02:17 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FAQ's
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Hi

Neil Ward wrote:

> I agree with this approach.  However, for the casting FAQ, I won't be
> citing messages that suggested an actor for a particular part (what a
> surprise), I'll just list the suggestions.

I think it would be daunting to do it otherwise . . . . so I like your
approach Neil.

> I haven't looked at the eGroups messages yet; I think I'll draft the
> FAQs
> from the Yahoo files and then edit in the more recent information.

That's my plan too.

> I'm leaving Snape until last, as it's so sprawling,

So very very glad I'm *not* doing Snape -- so many Snape discussions
lately!  Lucky you Neil.

> and I doubt I'll get a chance to look at it in depth until October
> (after next weekend, I'll have to disappear under my Invisibility
> Cloak for a few weeks, I'm afraid, to concentrate on my job).

Sounds like a plan.  I think if we can get quite a few of them uploaded
in October, that will be great.  We can then supplement (the "Snape"
page can say "Under Construction").  <g>

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 14 21:33:15 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:33:15 +0100
Subject: FAQ's update
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEEJCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

I decided that I better give a quick update as to how much I have done.

I have made a start on most of my FAQ's. I seem to have almost entirely
character based FAQ's and so have started by finding a small quote (or two)
for each character. I have nearly finished this and then will then move onto
the message archives and FORT.

I have done most of the predictions FAQ. I think this will remain my least
favourite. I was not really sure how to handle it. I ended up listing the
predictions made and then using footnotes to show who made the predictions
and linking to the messages in the archive. I hope to upload this later for
people to look at and comment on (file name pred.htm and will be put into
the FAQ's folder).

This leads me onto a question. A while back I uploaded one possible layout
for the FAQ's and have continued to write my FAQ's straight into HTML.
Should I continue with this or revert to word (or similar) for writing
purposes?

I think I am in a very different position to the rest of you. I have almost
nothing to do for the next two weeks and after that will probably have much
less time to work on the FAQ's (I go back to university on October 1st). I
hope to get the bulk of my work done on then by that date. At the moment I
am intending on a few late nights to watch the Olympics and intend to work
on the FAQ's while doing so.

I will also miss the chat for the next few weeks. After running up a fairly
high phone bill, I think I should now try and make an effort to keep it
down.

Simon




From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Thu Sep 14 21:41:28 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 14 Sep 2000 21:41:28 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <968967688.17457@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /FAQ's/pred.htm 
  Uploaded by : simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk 
  Description : My FAQ on the predictions made by the group for the future 

You can access this file at the URL

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 14 23:12:16 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:12:16 +0100
Subject: Scabbers
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINAEELCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello

I am a little unsure about this so will throw it to the group to decide.

Is scabbers a animal character?

Basically I want to know if I am to cover his actions and appearance before
we discovered he was an animagus or is this going to be left to all be
covered in the animagus FAQ?

Simon




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep 15 03:26:28 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:26:28 CDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Scabbers
Message-ID: <F88ZRygwGxsegaSHwC4000080ff@hotmail.com>

Hi

<<<I am a little unsure about this so will throw it to the group to decide.

Is scabbers a animal character?

Basically I want to know if I am to cover his actions and appearance before 
we discovered he was an animagus or is this going to be left to all be 
covered in the animagus FAQ?>>>

I vote for a very brief mention of him in Animal Characters (very brief is 
fine by me) and then a cross-reference to the Animagus FAQ & the Character 
Sketch of Peter Pettigrew.  What do others think?

Penny




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From ravenclawlady at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 15 03:45:01 2000
From: ravenclawlady at yahoo.com (Melanie Moore)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Scabbers
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--- Penny Linsenmayer <linsenma at hic.net> wrote:

> I vote for a very brief mention of him in Animal Characters
> (very brief is 
> fine by me) and then a cross-reference to the Animagus FAQ &
> the Character 
> Sketch of Peter Pettigrew.  What do others think?
> 
> Penny


At the risk of committing the heinous "Me too" post crime, I
agree.

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep 15 04:01:30 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:01:30 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Scabbers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000915040130.01189fc4@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 20:45 09/14/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>At the risk of committing the heinous "Me too" post crime, I
>agree.

I'll raise your "Me too" and add a general comment on cross-referencing. 

As a rule, I'm assuming we should cover things in depth in one place, and
add a link to the most relevant FAQ in other places, but we'll need to check
that the item in question has been covered in depth in that FAQ.  For
example, I might mention Quidditch balls under Magical Devices, but refer
readers to Quidditch for more detailed coverage.  In that case, I'm doing
both FAQs, but if I wasn't, I might have to check that the other FAq-er
wasn't making a similar assumption in the opposite direction.  Make sense?
Probably not, as it's 5am and I rarely make sense at this time.

Neil

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From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep 15 12:53:21 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:53:21 CDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Scabbers
Message-ID: <F165M7gyoPB2EWrO8lx00005ed6@hotmail.com>

Hi --

<<<As a rule, I'm assuming we should cover things in depth in one place, and 
add a link to the most relevant FAQ in other places, but we'll need to check 
that the item in question has been covered in depth in that FAQ.  For 
example, I might mention Quidditch balls under Magical Devices, but refer 
readers to Quidditch for more detailed coverage.  In that case, I'm doing 
both FAQs, but if I wasn't, I might have to check that the other FAq-er 
wasn't making a similar assumption in the opposite direction.  Make 
sense?>>>

Yes, definitely makes sense & I agree completely.  I'm sure I'll be posting 
a number of these type questions today and tomorrow as I work on the FAQs.  
Unless anyone objects, I think posting those questions here is better than 
posting them individually since a topic might well be covered to some extent 
in 3-4 FAQs being written by 3-4 different people.  Does *that* make sense?  
<g>

Penny



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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Fri Sep 15 14:45:03 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:45:03 -0000
Subject: Scabbers
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--- In HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com, "Penny Linsenmayer" wrote:

Yes, definitely makes sense & I agree completely.  I'm sure I'll be 
posting a number of these type questions today and tomorrow as I work 
on the FAQs. Unless anyone objects, I think posting those questions 
here is better than posting them individually since a topic might 
well be covered to some extent in 3-4 FAQs being written by 3-4 
different people.  Does *that* make sense?  

Yes, we are in tune on this! There are multiple overlaps, I think, 
and we also have to take account of the fact that different FORTers 
may have used different criteria for allocation of the message #s.  
For example, I put the #s in more than one place if I thought it was 
justified, but maybe others just chose the dominant theme.

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep 15 22:27:25 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:27:25 +0100
Subject: Animal Characters
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEFMCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hermes, Errol, Pigwidgeon, Mrs Norris, Scabbers and Fang.

One has had no mention in the group.
One is 'small and pretty'.
One has only been mentioned in reference to Jane Austen.
One has only been mentioned by me.
One has only been mentioned in a post that was about Hermione.
One has just left me having to put a link into another FAQ.

I will leave it with you all to sort out which corresponds to which.

Unfortunately I can see that the others (Hedwig, Crookshanks and Fawkes) may
have generated more messages.

Simon




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep 15 23:59:38 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:59:38 +0100
Subject: Animal characters
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEFOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

I am working on the Animal Characters FAQ at the moment and have a question.

Is the length of life for phoenixes going to be covered in the Magical
Animals FAQ?

It seems from what I have read that few messages have been about the animal
characters.

Simon




From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep 16 00:38:24 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:38:24 CDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Animal characters
Message-ID: <F60ZG5yoVTvKRNZSPGN0000605a@hotmail.com>

Hi --

Simon -- I think phoenixes go in magical creatures.  That's my vote anyway.

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Sat Sep 16 01:00:13 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:00:13 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Animal characters
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Penny Linsenmayer wrote:

Hi --

Simon -- I think phoenixes go in magical creatures.  That's my vote
anyway.

They are already on my list

Here's my list so far - please tell me what I am missing: (and I am
doing this without the books in front of me so forgive the spelling)

Phoenix
Centauer
Cerebruses (3 headed dogs)
Dragon
Mermaid
House Elf
Goblin
Troll
Werewolf
Basilik
Blast Ended Skrewt
Unicorn
Hinkypunk
Redcap
Boggart
Dementor
Grindylow
Hippogryff
Flobberworm
Nifflers




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Sep 16 06:59:07 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:59:07 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Animal characters
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000916065907.008514b8@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

<<<<

Penny said:

Simon -- I think phoenixes go in magical creatures.  That's my vote
anyway.

Heidi said

They are already on my list.

>>>>

I'd have to agree with Heidi - phoenixes are mythical creatures (actually,
that's probably what Penny meant now I think about it).  

Animal characters would include cats, owls and toads, plus dogs (apart from
Fluffy), snakes (but only the one at the zoo) and rats (I think Scabbers
should be covered here in any discussions that occurred before his true
identity was revealed).  I would also put general discussion about Animagi
under magical animals, since the Animagi turn into regular animals and not
mythical creatures (e.g. "where do their clothes go when they transfigure?").  

I'm still ploughing through the messages, but I've experienced a similar
problem of scant coverage of some of my FAQ topics.  It seems some of the
most interesting characters and topics have not been discussed much in the
group.  

I see our job as summarising some of the very original (and the not so
great) thoughts of our members on various topics and putting in a bit of
general background.  We are aiming to avoid repeat posts on topics such as
'gleam in Dumbledore's eye' and 'Priori Incantatem' (eeek - 'Priori
Incantatem is a spell, I've just realised).

Neil
 






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From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep 16 13:39:29 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:39:29 CDT
Subject: Our Task with the FAQs
Message-ID: <F28kLoOdHa24ABvWZ0H000063ba@hotmail.com>

Hi

<<<I'm still ploughing through the messages, but I've experienced a similar 
problem of scant coverage of some of my FAQ topics.  It seems some of the 
most interesting characters and topics have not been discussed much in the 
group.

I see our job as summarising some of the very original (and the not so
great) thoughts of our members on various topics and putting in a bit of
general background.  We are aiming to avoid repeat posts on topics such as 
'gleam in Dumbledore's eye' and 'Priori Incantatem' (eeek - 'Priori
Incantatem is a spell, I've just realised).>>>>

Yes, that's exactly what I think we should be doing -- summarizing what's 
been said (including the off-the-wall theories) and adding in a general 
framework.  I like what Simon says he's doing with the Character FAQs -- 
leading off with a general description and some quotes before heading into 
the things the Club has discussed about that person.  I haven't started 
Hermione yet, but that seems a good approach.

I think we're aiming to avoid repeat posts (by directing newbies to the FAQs 
straight away) and I think our other goal is to stimulate deeper discussions 
by providing the summaries of what has already been covered.  People will 
presumably read the FAQs and think about the topics more in-depth.

I think my hardest FAQ may be the Hogwarts FAQ --- so much discussion about 
student population figures and why the teachers are single, celibate or what 
have you.  <g>  I don't envy Neil the task of the Snape FAQ, which seems to 
me to be one of the hardest FAQs to create based on the wide diverging 
discussions.

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 16 20:45:56 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:45:56 +0100
Subject: Animal Chars.
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEGFCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"Penny said: Simon -- I think phoenixes go in magical creatures.  That's my
vote anyway."

I'll ask a slightly different question now. Phoenixes go in the magical
creatures FAQ but do I still cover Fawkes as he is a character?

"Animal characters would include cats, owls and toads, plus dogs (apart from
Fluffy), snakes (but only the one at the zoo) and rats (I think Scabbers
should be covered here in any discussions that occurred before his true
identity was revealed)."

My list of Animal Characters that I have in the FAQ is:
Hedwig
Errol
Hermes
Pigwidgeon
Fawkes
Scabbers - but only to give a link to Animagus FAQ
Crookshanks
Mrs Norris
Fang

I need to add Trevor to the list. I had not thought of the snake at the zoo.
I guess he has not come up in discussions but will add him in.

Do people want me to cover anyone else in the FAQ? Do people want me to
cover anything more generally on different animals?

"I'm still ploughing through the messages, but I've experienced a similar
problem of scant coverage of some of my FAQ topics. It seems some of the
most interesting characters and topics have not been discussed much in the
group."

The animal characters listed above have hardly appeared at all. I have yet
to look at Hedwig or Crookshanks but I can only think of a couple of points
raised about either.

"I see our job as summarising some of the very original (and the not so
great) thoughts of our members on various topics and putting in a bit of
general background.  We are aiming to avoid repeat posts on topics such as
'gleam in Dumbledore's eye' and 'Priori Incantatem' (eeek - 'Priori
Incantatem is a spell, I've just realised)."

That should cut down my work on Crookshanks as he seems only to be mentioned
in conjunction with the Animagus or not issue. It does however give me a
small licence to put in the Harry / Hedwig theory of mine. At the present
rate I need something to bulk out the animal characters FAQ!

Simon




From gypsycaine at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 16 20:55:34 2000
From: gypsycaine at yahoo.com (Denise Roger)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Animal Chars.
Message-ID: <20000916205534.20990.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com>

Simon, you said (I need to add Trevor to the list. I
had not thought of the snake at the zoo.
I guess he has not come up in discussions but will add
him in.)  We have talked about the snake.  A few folks
want to see him come back from Brazil, a few thought
he was the snake in the Riddle House.  Maybe not much
mention, but there was some.

:)
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Sep 16 21:33:56 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Flying Ford Anglia)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:33:56 -0000
Subject: Spell & Charms FAQ
Message-ID: <8q0p04+v47h@eGroups.com>

Okay, now it's my turn to ask for opinions...

SPELLS & CHARMS

-Priori Incantatem is obviously a spell, but covers issues relating
to 
Harry and his parents and wands.  Am I okay including all the 
discussion points under the above?

-Spells made up by members are mostly quite amusing - should they go 
here, or under humour?

-I guess I should include mention of potions in this FAQ? They aren't 
mentioned elsewhere.

Amusing item:

As I was going through the messages, I came to section of 'meaning of 
the gleam in Dumbledore's eye' posts, and one rather funny response 
that said something like: "I spotted that too!  I have absolutely no 
idea what it means".  

That really added to the debate.

Neil 





From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep 16 22:23:19 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:23:19 CDT
Subject: FAQ Questions & Answers
Message-ID: <F167MVZnxdnGotPlcoQ00008b46@hotmail.com>

Hi:

<<<-Priori Incantatem is obviously a spell, but covers issues relating
to Harry and his parents and wands.  Am I okay including all the
discussion points under the above?>>>

Oh, sure -- the more you do, the less I'll need to cover under 
"Inconsistencies & Mysteries: GoF"  <g>  Seriously, I will cover whatever 
you don't think is appropriate for Spells or I can just link to your 
discussion.

<<<-Spells made up by members are mostly quite amusing - should they go
here, or under humour?>>>

I would vote for putting them in HP Humor.

<<<-I guess I should include mention of potions in this FAQ? They aren't 
mentioned elsewhere.>>>

I think so -- Polyjuice Potion for sure.  Are there any other potions 
mentioned by name?

Simon asked about Fawkes in the Animal Characters, and the more I think 
about it, maybe he should go in Animal Characters.  He's Dumbledore's pet, 
and he figures alot in CoS and some in GoF.  Heidi's Magical or Mythical 
Creatures FAQ can include more general information about phoenixes and a 
cross-reference to Fawkes under Animal Characters.  That's my opinion 
anyway.

I didn't see any other Animal Characters to add to your list Simon.

My question du jour -- I've been working on the Fanfic FAQ and have listed 
out various fanfics recommended by our members.  I have highlighted PoU as 
the first mention and touted it as "considered by most fanfic fans as the 
best HP fanfic."  Blah, blah, blah.  I don't think most of us will quarrel 
with that -- even if you're not a fan of H/H, most people I think would 
agree that the writing is top-notch and the action plot is incredible.  I 
then followed with all other fanfic recommendations in alphabetical order by 
title.  But, I put A Sirius Affair indented under PoU, indicating it's a 
prequel to PoU.  I hope people won't presume I'm indicating that ASA is the 
2nd best fanfic on the net because of where I've placed it.  Am I being 
paranoid?

Penny



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From linsenma at hic.net  Sat Sep 16 22:55:33 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:55:33 CDT
Subject: More Fanfic FAQ Questions
Message-ID: <F7fcPVDzDnw7d06SRO000008bd8@hotmail.com>

Hi --

A few more questions --

If a member has posted their own fanfic in our files section and/or 
announced a link to their fanfic on fanfic.net, but noone else recommends or 
raves about it, am I obligated to include it in the Recommended Fanfics 
anyway?  Or, should I only include fanfics that are *recommended* by at 
least one member?

I am including fanfics that I think are perfectly horrible (but they've been 
recommended by one or more members so. . .).  But, I am sort of leaning 
toward drawing the line with the first scenario (they post the link & noone 
ever comes back & says "Oh that was great" or "Enjoyed your fanfic").

Thoughts?

Penny

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 16 23:40:59 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:40:59 +0100
Subject: Fanfic FAQ
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEGICIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"If a member has posted their own fanfic in our files section and/or
announced a link to their fanfic on fanfic.net, but noone else recommends or
raves about it, am I obligated to include it in the Recommended Fanfics
anyway?  Or, should I only include fanfics that are *recommended* by at
least one member?

I am including fanfics that I think are perfectly horrible (but they've been
recommended by one or more members so. . .).  But, I am sort of leaning
toward drawing the line with the first scenario (they post the link & noone
ever comes back & says "Oh that was great" or "Enjoyed your fanfic")."

How about doing a favourite fanfic section and then include an also
mentioned fanfic section. A small blurb could be written on each of the
recommended fanfics (the authors have probably already done this for us - I
am trying to avoid adding too much extra work for Penny) and then just list
the others. This avoids any executive decisions having to be made on what is
good and what is not (an especially good idea as this is quite subjective).

"Priori Incantatem is obviously a spell, but covers issues relating to Harry
and his parents and wands.  Am I okay including all the discussion points
under the above?"

The spell, which comes up in the chapter with the dark mark should
definitely be in the Spells FAQ. I better keep quiet on the rest, as I do
not want to cover this but just put a link from the Wand FAQ.

Simon





From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 16 23:48:14 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:48:14 +0100
Subject: More animal characters?
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEGICIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Should I include the following in the Animal Characters FAQ?

Buckbeak
Norbert
Gaint Squid
Mrs Figg's cats

Simon




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Sun Sep 17 02:17:21 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:17:21 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Fanfic FAQ
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEGICIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <005a01c0204d$6f490180$b243ddcf@oemcomputer>

> How about doing a favourite fanfic section and then include an also
> mentioned fanfic section. A small blurb could be written on each of the
> recommended fanfics (the authors have probably already done this for us -
I
> am trying to avoid adding too much extra work for Penny) and then just
list
> the others. This avoids any executive decisions having to be made on what
is
> good and what is not (an especially good idea as this is quite
subjective).

This sounds pretty good...the good fanfics are usually commented on by at
least 2 members, so maybe that can be your guide...if its mentioned than
seconded...it could be considered recommended....otherwise its just
mentioned.

Penny also wrote:

> My question du jour -- I've been working on the Fanfic FAQ and have listed
> out various fanfics recommended by our members.  I have highlighted PoU as
> the first mention and touted it as "considered by most fanfic fans as the
> best HP fanfic."  Blah, blah, blah.  I don't think most of us will quarrel
> with that -- even if you're not a fan of H/H, most people I think would
> agree that the writing is top-notch and the action plot is incredible.  I
> then followed with all other fanfic recommendations in alphabetical order
by
> title.  But, I put A Sirius Affair indented under PoU, indicating it's a
> prequel to PoU.  I hope people won't presume I'm indicating that ASA is
the
> 2nd best fanfic on the net because of where I've placed it.  Am I being
> paranoid?

No, that sounds like a plan to me.  It will seem less like  blatent
self-promotion once Lori starts with her sequels which should also go as
indented below PoU...and maybe with the descriptive blurb suggested by
Simon, it will be clear that its listed as such because of the connection
with the story rather than as a means of promotion.

Don't neglect "Call of the Wild" as I'm sure you will get a lot of Lupin
fans wanting that mentioned as one of the best, as it certainly is.

carole






From sarvalsha at dellnet.com  Sun Sep 17 08:59:11 2000
From: sarvalsha at dellnet.com (Margaret McNie)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:59:11 -0700
Subject: Egroups Search/Spoilers
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEGICIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <005a01c0204d$6f490180$b243ddcf@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <008801c02085$8d1cfbc0$79a11c3f@fxgg10b>

Good morning everyone,

I did a search on the yahoo archives in egroups searching for 'lupin'. I
just wanted to see the general discussion even if the messages did not get
listed on our FAQ database. The two lists did not match up. I would expect
the search to find messages that weren't listed in the FAQ list;
unfortunately, I also found that the messages listed in the FAQ list did not
show up on the search. Has anyone else had a similar problem?

Since all the yahoo messages have been checked, this may not be a problem
for those messages. However, I was planning to use the search to get the new
egroups messages. If the search cannot be trusted to find all references,
what do we do? Or did I do something incorrect? I did check 'Lupin' thinking
that the search might be case sensitive but it is not.

Another problem has surfaced that didn't occur to me before. I prefer not to
know anything about the future books; I actually stopped visiting the board
for several weeks before GoF's publication. It's ten months to publication
for the next book and already we're dealing with spoilers. Apparently JKR
said some things in an interview. I managed to avoid most of it but I can
hardly skip messages if I am going to continue supporting my FAQs. So I have
a problem and may have to bow out. I will definitely keep my commitment to
do Lupin and Dumbledore (excluding any discussion which may have occurred in
the recent messages) but I'm having doubts about continuing.

I am also committed to the chapter and character discussions for Lupin. and
Dumbledore if someone else does not volunteer. Looking forward to them
actually. For one thing, they come after my trip is completed, the hot work
project is completed (well, maybe . . . they've already warned us not to
expect our normal Thanksgiving and Christmas breaks), and my jury duty is
completed.

God has such a sense of humor. Just over a year ago, I was leading a quiet,
boring life. Then Harry arrived about the same time as the first horse (the
'val' of sarvalsha).


Margaret


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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Sep 17 16:00:08 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:00:08 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Egroups Search/Spoilers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000917160008.00756a90@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Margaret wrote:

>I did a search on the yahoo archives in egroups searching for 'lupin'. I
>just wanted to see the general discussion even if the messages did not get
>listed on our FAQ database. The two lists did not match up. I would expect
>the search to find messages that weren't listed in the FAQ list;
>unfortunately, I also found that the messages listed in the FAQ list did not
>show up on the search. Has anyone else had a similar problem?

*****

I haven't used eGroups for searching yet, but I can confirm, from searches
of the text files, that there are a lot of topic-relevant messages that
aren't in the FORT database.  I've also found, when searching on spells and
charms, that I had to take into account misspellings of Priori Incantatem,
Fidelius and Imperius etc.  With McGonagall, I ended up searching on McG or
Minerva, as so many people either couldn't spell her surname or avoided it.

Perhaps the eGroups search only looks in the title and first few lines of
each post?  Perhaps the other FORT messages you saw didn't mention 'Lupin'?
I'd try Marauder, MWPP, Remus, Moony and werewolf as well as Lupin.  


Margaret also said:

>Another problem has surfaced that didn't occur to me before. I prefer not to
>know anything about the future books; I actually stopped visiting the board
>for several weeks before GoF's publication. It's ten months to publication
>for the next book and already we're dealing with spoilers. 

*****

I can see your point.  It's likely that little facts (or unconfirmed
rumours) will slip out now and then before book 5 is published.  It's also
likely that people will post messages about such things in HP4GrownUps.
Perhaps we should decide who does and who doesn't mind reading posts that
have 'spoiler' at the top and those who don't mind can screen those posts
for information for other FAQ volunteers.  If we'd thought about this before
we could have had a general 'spoiler content; post Book 4' section in the
FORT database. 

Neil


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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 17 17:54:58 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Egroups Search/Spoilers
Message-ID: <20000917175458.25806.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Margaret McNie <sarvalsha at dellnet.com> wrote:
> I did a search on the yahoo archives in egroups
> searching for 'lupin'. I
> just wanted to see the general discussion even if
> the messages did not get
> listed on our FAQ database. The two lists did not
> match up. I would expect
> the search to find messages that weren't listed in
> the FAQ list;
> unfortunately, I also found that the messages listed
> in the FAQ list did not
> show up on the search. Has anyone else had a similar
> problem?

I see what you mean.  If I would search on "borgman" I
would expect results: 
112 (not found)
113 (not found)
114 (not found)
3301 (found)
3310 (found)

If I would search on "harry potter" the lowest message
returned is #2819 (with 859 total hits).

If I would search on "harry" the lowest message
returned is #2816 (with 1898 total hits).

If I would search on "jkr" the lowest message returned
is #2816 (with 494 total hits).

Finally, if I would search on "dumbledore" the lowest
message is #2816 again.  (#2815 should be a hit.)

If you notice what the highest message number we have
is, you'll see it's 7815.  Clearly (to me) eGroups has
set an arbitrary search scope of 5000 messages. 
Unfortunately, we didn't test THAT aspect of the
search mechanism before declairing "They've got a
seach mechanism!"  Who would have thought.

What to do?  They may not be aware of this.  Some
programmer may have put in that "magic number" just
because he tought he/she needed something.

Perhaps once Penny returns home she'll agree that as a
minimum we should alert eGroups to our findings. 
Cool, we've found our first test for the
responsiveness of eGroups!!!

At any rate, this is currently not an issue for the
HP4GU groups at large.  Perhaps eGroups can be
persuaded to look into this before it becomes one. 
Until then, it looks like the text file will be needed
to ensure complete results.

Paul



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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Sep 17 18:21:49 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:21:49 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Egroups Search/Spoilers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000917182149.00745f98@popmail.dircon.co.uk>


>If you notice what the highest message number we have
>is, you'll see it's 7815.  Clearly (to me) eGroups has
>set an arbitrary search scope of 5000 messages. 
>Unfortunately, we didn't test THAT aspect of the
>search mechanism before declairing "They've got a
>seach mechanism!"  Who would have thought.

Aha!  We had a similar problem (I think) with our web-based database at
work.  The programmers set a maximum return of 999 records which were
presented, by default, in reverse chronological order.  They set a limit to
avoid slowing the searches down, on the assumption that most searches would
return fewer than 999 hits (not true, unfortunately).  The only problem was
that if a search yielded, say 1,200 hits, the programme would still only
return the first 999 and only *then* would it sort them by date.  This meant
that the latest things added, which were at the end of the unsorted list,
weren't in the 999 and it looked like we were really behind with our
updates. When I asked them to change the limit to 50,000 all was well (and
the searches were not really much slower).

I agree that, if there is a 5000 limit in eGroups, it may be an arbitrary
setting that could be changed really easily.

Also, eGroups was totally down for 5+ hours between midnight and 5.30am PDT,
for technical reasons (that was early morning to midday here).  Maybe they
did something - made some changes - overnight?

Neil

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   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 19 00:50:15 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:50:15 +0100
Subject: Animal Character FAQ
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINMEHJCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello all;

The Olympics are here and I have been doing some FAQ work while watching the
swimming.

I have finished a first draft of the Animal Characters FAQ and will upload
it into the files section shortly (...faqs\animals.htm). I have included
only the characters on my list of a couple of days ago. There are a few
possibilities for others to be added (Norbert, Buckbeak and the Brazil Snake
from PS). If anyone thinks I should add these or any others then let me know
(I have not yet found the messages about the snake but am sure there are
some - does anyone remember when this discussion happened).

Simon




From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Tue Sep 19 00:53:24 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 19 Sep 2000 00:53:24 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <969324804.15397@egroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /FAQ's/animals.htm 
  Uploaded by : simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk 
  Description : Animal Characters FAQ - first draft 

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/HP4GU-FAQ/FAQ%27s/animals%2Ehtm 

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

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Regards,

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From linsenma at hic.net  Tue Sep 19 20:32:16 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:32:16 -0500
Subject: Egroups Search/Spoilers
References: <1.5.4.32.20000917160008.00756a90@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39C7CD50.202E018F@hic.net>

Hi:

Neil Ward wrote:

> I haven't used eGroups for searching yet, but I can confirm, from
> searches of the text files, that there are a lot of topic-relevant
> messages that aren't in the FORT database.  I've also found, when
> searching on spells and charms, that I had to take into account
> misspellings of Priori Incantatem, Fidelius and Imperius etc.  With
> McGonagall, I ended up searching on McG or Minerva, as so many people
> either couldn't spell her surname or avoided it.

Yes, I'm now not sure that Trina entered her topics into FORT.  I think
she may have unsubscribed from this group already too.  I would advise
using Trina's separate file, together with FORT & double-checking with
the search features.

> Perhaps the eGroups search only looks in the title and first few lines
> of
> each post?  Perhaps the other FORT messages you saw didn't mention
> 'Lupin'? I'd try Marauder, MWPP, Remus, Moony and werewolf as well as
> Lupin.

I do know that it's searching more than just titles & the first few
lines of text.  But, searching is a bit difficult in that you need to
search for obvious misspellings and variants (I searched fanfic, fan
fiction for example).

> If you notice what the highest message number we have is, you'll see it's 7815.  Clearly (to me) eGroups has
> set an arbitrary search scope of 5000 messages. Unfortunately, we didn't test THAT aspect of the
> search mechanism before declairing "They've got a seach mechanism!"  Who would have thought.
>
> What to do?  They may not be aware of this.  Some programmer may have put in that "magic number" just
> because he tought he/she needed something.
>
> Perhaps once Penny returns home she'll agree that as a minimum we should alert eGroups to our findings.
> Cool, we've found our first test for the responsiveness of eGroups!!!
>
> At any rate, this is currently not an issue for the HP4GU groups at large.  Perhaps eGroups can be
> persuaded to look into this before it becomes one.  Until then, it looks like the text file will be needed
> to ensure complete results.
>
It does sound as though I should write to egroups about this issue.  I
do think it could easily become an issue for the HPforGrownups group in
that we've posted close to 1800 messages in just under a month.

Paul -- can you send me the URL for the text files again?  I know I
downloaded the first batch but I'm not sure I ever got the last ones as
by that point, we had the egroups Archive up & running.

Margaret -- I think we can work around your desire to not read Book 5
spoilers & rumors.  I like Neil's suggestion that maybe we can designate
a group of several people who can update all the FAQs solely for rumors,
predictions & spoilers for the later books.

Off to write a note to egroups!

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 20:29:09 2000
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Egroups Search/Spoilers
Message-ID: <20000919202909.22010.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com>

> Paul -- can you send me the URL for the text files
> again?  I know I
> downloaded the first batch but I'm not sure I ever
> got the last ones as
> by that point, we had the egroups Archive up &
> running.

I've stored all of the Yahoo! group messages in the
Files area of the HarryPotterForGU-Archives eGroup. 
The filename convention is the same as before with
additional file formats to satisfy (nearly) everyone.

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Tue Sep 19 22:31:42 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:31:42 +0100
Subject: Messages
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEIDCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Penny wrote on some other group about some chap and how old he is: "Look at
all this discussion for you Simon!  :--)"

I think I better make an effort to stop this discussion (only joking)!
Which brings me onto a question.

At the moment I am writing my FAQ's on the Yahoo messages only. I am
planning to continue this for the others I have not read yet. Are we also
going to base them on the e-groups messages? If so can I write a first draft
based on the Yahoo stuff and then add to or changes (as necessary) my FAQ's
to incorporate the E-group stuff next month? At the moment I am not keeping
the e-mail messages from the group, so would have to be online to search
etc. I am happy to update the FAQ's up to the point when we first complete
them (after this I will update some but do not want to have to do all of
them - time will become a problem) but would rather leave E-group searching
until after I have returned to University (since I have an unlimited free
and much faster net connection there).

I hope this makes sense.

Simon




From linsenma at hic.net  Wed Sep 20 01:01:35 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:01:35 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Messages
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEIDCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39C80C6F.25632961@hic.net>

Hi --

Simon Branford wrote:

At the moment I am writing my FAQ's on the Yahoo messages only. I am

> At the moment I am writing my FAQ's on the Yahoo messages only.  I am
> planning to continue this for the others I have not read yet. Are we
> also going to base them on the e-groups messages? If so can I write a
> first draft based on the Yahoo stuff and then add to or changes (as
> necessary) my FAQ's to incorporate the E-group stuff next month? At
> the moment I am not keeping the e-mail messages from the group, so
> would have to be online to search etc. I am happy to update the FAQ's
> up to the point when we first complete them (after this I will update
> some but do not want to have to do all of them - time will become a
> problem) but would rather leave E-group searching until after I have
> returned to University (since I have an unlimited free and much faster
> net connection there).

Yes, I think most of us are probably pretty much just trying to deal
with drafting out the basic FAQ based on the Yahoo messages.  I am going
back & supplementing with the egroups messages.  It makes sense to me
that you should do that updating where you've got a better connection
Simon.  I think your plan sounds completely fine.

As far as maintaining the FAQs -- I don't want to maintain all of mine
either!  <g>  I hope we can recruit some other volunteers to help with
this task.  If we could get enough volunteers so that everyone only
needs to worry with 2-3 of them, this seems ideal to me.  I guess that
means we need 20-30 total volunteers.  Of course, this also means
somehow screening out the people who will shirk the duty so to speak --
like the 2-3 people who never even came back & said they couldn't do
their grouping of Yahoo messages.  Any suggestions?

I guess the other consideration is how long people have to maintain
before we start to get nervous that they're falling down on the job.  I
think I need to know more about how the actual maintaining will work
technically/logistically before we can figure out a reasonable timetable
(i.e., if it's truly a pain, then maybe you only update the FAQs every 3
mths; if it's very easy, maybe once a month makes more sense).  Thoughts
on this?

Penny

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 21 00:06:06 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:06:06 +0100
Subject: Voldemort after the potters
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJACIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello all;

The Olympics is on in the background and I am heading towards another late
night on the FAQ's (I work best with the tele or radio on and at early times
like these - 1am).

Question: Where does the question of why Voldemort was after the Potter's
(or even which Potter's he was after) come?
It also involves the question of Trelawney's predictions, since almost
everyone thinks this is what the 'other correct prediction' concerns.
I now give out the options as I see them.
Voldemort (me)
Mysteries and inconsistencies of one of the books (Neil - CoS, Penny - PoA &
GoF and Melanie - PS)
Voldemort and Potter's similarities link (Melanie)

Simon





From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep 21 00:38:58 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:38:58 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/bookbans
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJACIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39C958A2.66D8F5EB@the-beach.net>



Simon Branford wrote:

>
> Question: Where does the question of why Voldemort was after the Potter's
> (or even which Potter's he was after) come?
> It also involves the question of Trelawney's predictions, since almost
> everyone thinks this is what the 'other correct prediction' concerns.
> I now give out the options as I see them.
> Voldemort (me)
> Mysteries and inconsistencies of one of the books (Neil - CoS, Penny - PoA &
> GoF and Melanie - PS)
> Voldemort and Potter's similarities link (Melanie)

and mine, which is the character faq of the potters themselves.

on a different fanfic note, I'm working on the bookbanning one - I think it
makes more sense to focus on the Wheres & What Can I Do About Its of bookbanning
rather than list what individual listies think about it - especially in terms of
the Me Too I Also Think Book Banning Is Bad Especially Harry Potter Book Bans
posts. Does anyone have a problem if I leave out most of the individual
comments?




From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep 21 01:14:39 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:14:39 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/bookbans
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJACIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39C958A2.66D8F5EB@the-beach.net>
Message-ID: <39C960FE.C9D5F368@hic.net>

Hi

heidi wrote:

> Simon Branford wrote:
>
> >
> > Question: Where does the question of why Voldemort was after the
> Potter's
> > (or even which Potter's he was after) come?
> > It also involves the question of Trelawney's predictions, since
> almost
> > everyone thinks this is what the 'other correct prediction'
> concerns.
> > I now give out the options as I see them.
> > Voldemort (me)
> > Mysteries and inconsistencies of one of the books (Neil - CoS, Penny
> - PoA &
> > GoF and Melanie - PS)
> > Voldemort and Potter's similarities link (Melanie)
>
> and mine, which is the character faq of the potters themselves.

I'd be inclined to put the meat of this discussion under the character
FAQs for the Potters.  I guess that's where I'd look for it if I were
searching the FAQs.  It is also a Mystery -- but it's not specific to
any one book -- although, I guess if I had to pick just one of the books
that it most fits under, it would be PS.  I would think that the
Voldemort FAQ could simply cross-reference the Potters and/or the PS
Mysteries FAQ.

Agree or disagree?

> on a different fanfic note, I'm working on the bookbanning one - I
> think it makes more sense to focus on the Wheres & What Can I Do About
> Its of bookbanning rather than list what individual listies think
> about it - especially in terms of the Me Too I Also Think Book Banning
> Is Bad Especially Harry Potter Book Bans posts. Does anyone have a
> problem if I leave out most of the individual comments?

I think that this sounds completely the right way to go.

Similarly, with fanfic -- I'm not including message #s as long as the
message says nothing more than "I recommend all of Blaise's fanfics."  I
don't know that anyone will much care *who* made the individual
recommendations, do you?  I may include message #s at the bottom for
some posts where someone like Ebony took the time to put some plot
summaries in or otherwise expand on the recommendation (or talked about
fanfic in general).

Needing to turn to my JKR or Adult v. Children's Lit FAQ.  <g>

Ebony is beta-reading the Fanfic FAQ and then I will post it for
comments.  My Potential Romantic Pairings is almost done also.  I've
made a start on Wizarding World -- Govt but got bogged down.

Penny

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep 21 01:05:40 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:05:40 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/bookbans
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJACIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39C958A2.66D8F5EB@the-beach.net> <39C960FE.C9D5F368@hic.net>
Message-ID: <39C95EE4.C216151B@the-beach.net>



Penny wrote:

>
> heidi wrote:
>
>> Simon Branford wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Question: Where does the question of why Voldemort was after the
>> Potter's
>> > (or even which Potter's he was after) come?
>> > It also involves the question of Trelawney's predictions, since
>> almost
>> > everyone thinks this is what the 'other correct prediction'
>> concerns.
>> > I now give out the options as I see them.
>> > Voldemort (me)
>> > Mysteries and inconsistencies of one of the books (Neil - CoS,
>> Penny - PoA &
>> > GoF and Melanie - PS)
>> > Voldemort and Potter's similarities link (Melanie)
>>
>> and mine, which is the character faq of the potters themselves.
>
> I'd be inclined to put the meat of this discussion under the character
> FAQs for the Potters.  I guess that's where I'd look for it if I were
> searching the FAQs.  It is also a Mystery -- but it's not specific to
> any one book -- although, I guess if I had to pick just one of the
> books that it most fits under, it would be PS.  I would think that the
> Voldemort FAQ could simply cross-reference the Potters and/or the PS
> Mysteries FAQ.

I can handle it in my faq - I'm already working on the right way to
explain the whole Potter/Goderic Gryffendor discussion thread series and
this is definitely a component part of it. Y'all can link to me.

I am finishing the Bookban one - hopefully will wrap it up tomorrow, and
then will do the outlines for the others. I think it might be a good
idea for me to post the POtter outline when I've wrapped it up because
it's the only one I'm doing which goes into other people's areas
significantly (that is, until I get to the Wizarding World - general
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep 21 01:58:15 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:58:15 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/progress report
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000921015815.0099eb40@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

I agree that the reason Voldemort wanted the Potters dead has more to do
with the Potters, although it impinges on some of the other categories.  

When it comes to Mysteries and Inconsistencies, just about anything *could*
be placed somewhere else, so are we using these four categories to mop up
stray topics?  The last time I printed it out, there was nothing in the FORT
on Mysteries and Inconsistencies in CoS, so I'm not even sure what I would
include there at the moment.

I think I'm a little further behind than the rest of you, as I'm still
looking through the messages rather than writing FAQs, and now getting
seriously distracted by my 'proper' job.  I'll be dropping in and out over
the next week or so and getting most of the FAQ writing done in early October.

So far, since I haven't touched Snape (<g>), Spells and Charms is the
largest collection, and I notice, currently, another block of those blessed
Priori Incantatem posts.  I haven't read many messages over the last three
days, so I may find that people are actually talking about treacle pudding
when I look at the posts.  Casting is quite large too, but many of those
messages are along the lines of 'How about Cary Elwes for Gilderoy Lockhart?
He was great in "Robin Hood - Men In Tights"'  

There doesn't seem to be much on Ron Weasley.  I'm surprised by this and I
guess that some of the 'Ron' issues will be covered by Weasley Family and
Romance Pairings?  I'll need to give that one some thought, as he obviously
needs to be covered independently as well.

Neil

            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep 21 11:25:16 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:25:16 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/progress report
References: <1.5.4.32.20000921015815.0099eb40@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39C9F01C.2B5C3789@hic.net>

Hi --

Neil Ward wrote:

> When it comes to Mysteries and Inconsistencies, just about anything
> *could* be placed somewhere else, so are we using these four
> categories to mop up stray topics?

I was thinking more of a listing of the various mysteries that have been
raised that *are* specific to each book.  These mysteries can either be
discussed in full or cross-referenced to other FAQs if it makes more
sense.  Examples --

    SS -- where were Hagrid & Harry during that whole day from the time
the Potters were attacked & Hagrid brought Harry to Privet Drive?
    CoS -- Ancestor v Descendant Mystery
                Why can Mr. Weasley be maligned for enchanting a car
while Sirius' flying motorcycle seems to be no problem in SS?
    PoA -- Mr. Weasley says Harry & Ron have ended up in the Forbidden
Forest twice.  Not true really since Ron hasn't been there twice, only
Harry.
                Can butterbeer be transported or not?

Joywitch did an excellent 3 part summary of Mysteries & Inconsistencies
raised thus far on June 18th (Yahoo Club) -- my print-outs don't have
the message #s but the date was June 18th.  It occurs to me in skimming
this that it might be better to have an overall Mysteries &
Inconsistencies FAQ since some of the mysteries do indeed overlap &
aren't specific to any one book.  Since I signed up for half the
Mysteries topic, I could just do this entire thing.  Or, Melanie could
do up whatever is specific to SS and Neil could do up whatever is
specific to CoS and both send them to me -- I could then collate them
into a coherent whole.

>  The last time I printed it out, there was nothing in the FORT
> on Mysteries and Inconsistencies in CoS, so I'm not even sure what I
> would include there at the moment.

The ancestor v descendant controversy is the big one that comes to
mind.  Of course, *I'm* the one most familiar with that topic since I
raise it every time I think about it . . . .so I'll be happy to take
over this entire Mysteries FAQ if people think that seems like a better
plan.

> I think I'm a little further behind than the rest of you, as I'm still
>
> looking through the messages rather than writing FAQs, and now getting
>
> seriously distracted by my 'proper' job.  I'll be dropping in and out
> over the next week or so and getting most of the FAQ writing done in
> early October.

Sounds fine -- I think we're going to all be running a bit behind the
October 1st deadline.  I'm aiming to have at least 7 of my 10 done for
sure before we leave for vacation on Sept 29th.  Maybe I'll get more
done -- who knows.  Maybe we should all give Melanie whatever we have
done by Oct 1st though so she can start the formatting job.

Curiosity -- what is your "proper" job Neil?  Something in the science
field, right?

Penny
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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Fri Sep 22 01:04:47 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:04:47 +0100
Subject: FAQ
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEJOCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

"I can handle it in my faq - I'm already working on the right way to explain
the whole Potter/Goderic Gryffendor discussion thread series and this is
definitely a component part of it. Y'all can link to me."

Cool! At the moment the Voldemort FAQ is looking more like a links page. The
other major talking point seems to have been the ancestor/descendant issue
which is heading for the mysteries FAQ.

"Sounds fine -- I think we're going to all be running a bit behind the
October 1st deadline.  I'm aiming to have at least 7 of my 10 done for sure
before we leave for vacation on Sept 29th.  Maybe I'll get more done -- who
knows.  Maybe we should all give Melanie whatever we have done by Oct 1st
though so she can start the formatting job."

I am quite a bit behind schedule. I have found too much sport to watch! I
have done the first draft for two (Predictions and Animal Characters -
posted to files section), two more are in quite a good position to be
finished quickly (Wands and Weasley's), two more are at the planning stage
(Voldemort and Dursley's) and the final one (Harry) only has an appropriate
quote.

"There doesn't seem to be much on Ron Weasley.  I'm surprised by this and I
guess that some of the 'Ron' issues will be covered by Weasley Family and
Romance Pairings?  I'll need to give that one some thought, as he obviously
needs to be covered independently as well."

Having been through the messages a few times now, I have noticed how some
important subjects have either been ignored or have simply not appeared.
When working on the Animals I found practically no discussion on anyone
apart from Crookshanks. Most Weasley discussion seems to be on their ages
and is basically summed up in two lines. Norbert only seems to have appeared
in the story the group wrote!

Simon




From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Fri Sep 22 02:06:12 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 02:06:12 -0000
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Sep 22 02:07:49 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:07:49 -0000
Subject: Book Banning FAQ
Message-ID: <8qeetl+qho8@eGroups.com>

I've posted the draft book banning faq - but I'm not very happy with 
the last section of it - if anyone has good ideas or "rebuttals" to
go 
in there, please let me know. 




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep 22 22:31:48 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:31:48 -0500
Subject: Searching Question
Message-ID: <39CBDDD4.54FC3D13@hic.net>

Hi --

I just tried to search the main HPforGrownups messages to supplement the
Yahoo messages.  It keeps saying it searched messages 1739-1919 of
1919.  I tried going to message #1 and then searching, thinking it would
then search all 1919 messages, but I get the same response.  Help!  Why
would it only search the last 180 messages?

Heidi -- while working on the JKR FAQ, I read an interview by JKR
(message 2785) in which she says Azkaban is located in the northern
reaches of the North Sea.  Might want to add that in to the Geography
FAQ.  I had not heard that before.  Doesn't make much sense that Sirius
would make land somewhere in the northern Highlands & then go all the
way south to Surrey to catch a glimpse of Harry though.  He'd have been
alot closer to just head off from landfall to the Forbidden Forest off
Hogwarts.  Someone asked about that later in the interview, and she says
he didn't have to come ashore in southern England, he just chose to.  If
I was swimming in the North Sea, I'd have come ashore at the first
available place!

Penny




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep 22 22:35:47 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:35:47 -0500
Subject: Never Mind!
Message-ID: <39CBDEC3.649E63C7@hic.net>

Hi --

Never mind!  Boy, do I feel stupid.  It's just set up weird -- you have
to click the arrow to keep going backward.  I wish it would give the
messages starting at the beginning (I think Margaret was complaining
about this recently too).  Anyway . . . . I'm not as stupid as I sound
today.  Really.

Penny




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Sep 23 12:19:38 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:19:38 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Voldemort after the potters/progress report
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000923121938.00756c98@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 06:25 09/21/2000 -0500, you wrote:

Re Mysteries...

<<I was thinking more of a listing of the various mysteries that have been
raised that *are* specific to each book.  These mysteries can either be
discussed in full or cross-referenced to other FAQs if it makes more
sense.  Examples -- ... CoS -- Ancestor v Descendant Mystery ...>>

***

Of course! Duh!  The ancestor vs descendent debate is really obvious (I
still think it's just an error though!).

<<... Melanie could do up whatever is specific to SS and Neil could do up
whatever is
specific to CoS and both send them to me -- I could then collate them into a
coherent whole.>>

***

Okay, let's put them under one heading.  I don't mind doing the CoS stuff,
but it will most likely not be ready by 1st October.

<<I think we're going to all be running a bit behind the October 1st
deadline.  I'm aiming to have at least 7 of my 10 done for sure before we
leave for vacation on Sept 29th.  Maybe I'll get more done -- who knows.
Maybe we should all give Melanie whatever we have done by Oct 1st though so
she can start the formatting job.

Curiosity -- what is your "proper" job Neil?  Something in the science
field, right?>>

***

Okay.  I'll keep at at it.  I'm setting 8th October as my deadline, since
I'm a bit freer in the first week of October. Once we have the foundations
in place, I'm assuming it will be 'easier' to maintain the FAQs, but I
wouldn't want to end up doing more than four.  A web update once a quarter
would be about right, I think, if Melanie can handle that.

My job? I'm the director of an information service monitoring health, social
and legislative issues for the alcohol industry.  These days, I'm more of an
adminstrator, but my background is in science and health.

Neil


            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sun Sep 24 23:50:46 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:50:46 +0100
Subject: FW: Apostrophes
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEMGCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Sorry if this message arrives twice. I sent it a couple of days ago but it
has yet to arrive. I know not what has happened to it but could do with an
answer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Branford [mailto:simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk]
Sent: 23 September 2000 01:28
To: HP4GU - FAQ
Subject: Apostrophes

I am hoping that someone can clear something up for me. When, in reference
to addressing people or groups of people, do you use an apostrophe?

I am asking this to clear up where I should use Weasley's against Weasleys.
As far as I thought I would always use the first. But in the books both are
used.

Thanks in advance for the English lesson.

Simon




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Mon Sep 25 01:30:34 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:30:34 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEMGCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <006701c02690$40a3da00$b96a5ecf@oemcomputer>


> I am hoping that someone can clear something up for me. When, in reference
> to addressing people or groups of people, do you use an apostrophe?
>
> I am asking this to clear up where I should use Weasley's against
Weasleys.
> As far as I thought I would always use the first. But in the books both
are
> used.
>
> Thanks in advance for the English lesson.

I'm a geology major, but in my book the apostrophe was always used to show
possession.  As in the Weasley's car.  No apostrophe when talking about the
Weasleys as a group.

carole






From linsenma at hic.net  Mon Sep 25 03:10:27 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:10:27 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEMGCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <39CEC223.55891BF8@hic.net>

Hi

Simon Branford wrote:

> I am hoping that someone can clear something up for me. When, in
> reference to addressing people or groups of people, do you use an
> apostrophe?
>
> I am asking this to clear up where I should use Weasley's against
> Weasleys. As far as I thought I would always use the first. But in the
> books both are used.

I've got a long line of messages from today yet to be read, so forgive
me if this has been answered.

Weasleys' is appropriate for the possessive case -- the Weasleys' car;
the Weasleys' home (but Ron Weasley's wand)
Weasleys is plural -- the Weasleys arrived at King's Cross at 3:00

Hope that helps Simon!

Penny

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From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Sat Sep 23 00:28:11 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:28:11 +0100
Subject: Apostrophes
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINOEKECIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

I am hoping that someone can clear something up for me. When, in reference
to addressing people or groups of people, do you use an apostrophe?

I am asking this to clear up where I should use Weasley's against Weasleys.
As far as I thought I would always use the first. But in the books both are
used.

Thanks in advance for the English lesson.

Simon




From lrcjestes at msn.com  Mon Sep 25 04:14:21 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:14:21 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEMGCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39CEC223.55891BF8@hic.net>
Message-ID: <00bc01c026a7$158c8b20$b96a5ecf@oemcomputer>

Don't mean to contradict the english major, but.....

> Weasleys' is appropriate for the possessive case -- the Weasleys' car;
> the Weasleys' home (but Ron Weasley's wand)

This would be right if their name was Weasleys....but its Weasley without
the s normally...so the possessive would be

Weasley's  not Weasleys' right?


> Weasleys is plural -- the Weasleys arrived at King's Cross at 3:00
>
> Hope that helps Simon!
>
> Penny
>
>






From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Mon Sep 25 06:04:30 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:04:30 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000925060430.006dda60@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

Carole said:

<<<<

>Don't mean to contradict the english major, but.....
>
>> Weasleys' is appropriate for the possessive case -- the Weasleys' car;
>> the Weasleys' home (but Ron Weasley's wand)
>
>This would be right if their name was Weasleys....but its Weasley without
>the s normally...so the possessive would be
>
>Weasley's  not Weasleys' right?

>>>>

***

Penny was right. There is a difference between "(Arthur) Weasley's car" and
"the Weasleys' car" because the latter refers to the whole family.  If their
name was Weasleys, you would probably stick with "the Weasleys' car" to
avoid having to use the more awkward "the Weasleys's car".

Eeek!  I haven't read any HP4GU messages in days, but I am still around,
lurking. :)

Neil (so not the berposter any more)



            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From linsenma at hic.net  Mon Sep 25 11:47:34 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:47:34 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
References: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINEEMGCIAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk> <39CEC223.55891BF8@hic.net> <00bc01c026a7$158c8b20$b96a5ecf@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <39CF3B55.48E985A@hic.net>

Hi --

lrcjestes wrote:

> Don't mean to contradict the english major, but.....
>
> > Weasleys' is appropriate for the possessive case -- the Weasleys'
> car;
> > the Weasleys' home (but Ron Weasley's wand)
>
> This would be right if their name was Weasleys....but its Weasley
> without
> the s normally...so the possessive would be Weasley's  not Weasleys'
> right?

Nope.  Sorry!  If you're talking about Ron Weasley's wand or Percy
Weasley's owl, then it's Weasley's.  If you're talking about the Weasley
family car, it's the Weasleys' car.  Plural possessive in the latter
case.

Penny

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From lrcjestes at msn.com  Mon Sep 25 12:10:31 2000
From: lrcjestes at msn.com (lrcjestes)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:10:31 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: Apostrophes
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>
> Carole said:
>
> <<<<
>
> >Don't mean to contradict the english major, but.....
> >
> >> Weasleys' is appropriate for the possessive case -- the Weasleys' car;
> >> the Weasleys' home (but Ron Weasley's wand)
> >
> >This would be right if their name was Weasleys....but its Weasley without
> >the s normally...so the possessive would be
> >
> >Weasley's  not Weasleys' right?
>
> >>>>
>
> ***
>
> Penny was right. There is a difference between "(Arthur) Weasley's car"
and
> "the Weasleys' car" because the latter refers to the whole family.  If
their
> name was Weasleys, you would probably stick with "the Weasleys' car" to
> avoid having to use the more awkward "the Weasleys's car".


Ugh! I'm so embarrassed, I knew that....it was 12:30 am and right after I
posted and logged off I realized I'd blown it and misread Penny's
intent...sorry Penny....just ignore any posts from me after 11:30pm EDT...

carole






From linsenma at hic.net  Thu Sep 28 01:25:07 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:25:07 -0500
Subject: Turning the FAQs into a Book?
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Message-ID: <39D29DF2.BD51796@hic.net>

Hi  --

I've been giving some general thought to Joywitch's suggestion that we
try to turn the FAQs into a book.  I've consulted a bit with Heidi so
far, and we think it's a possibility.  Here are some general thoughts &
considerations --

1.  All proceeds would need to be donated to charity as it would be
completely impossible to figure out any rational way of dividing the
proceeds among group members (or amongst ourselves unfortunately).  I
had first thought of Muggles for HP, American Booksellers Foundation for
Free Expression, some British equivalent charity, literacy charities,
etc.  Heidi did suggest that we figure out a way to siphon off enough of
the proceeds to pay for hosting a website & our copyright costs.

2.  We would need to get an assignment from each of the FAQ writers
(us).  We would also need some sort of release/assignment from anyone we
*quote* in the FAQs.  Paraphrasing the ideas of group members won't
require that we seek any sort of consent or assignment from those
particular members, but a specific quote will necessitate that consent.
I'm sure Heidi will step in if I'm misstating something.  Also -- it
seems Heidi is going to check into whether or not quoting specific
message numbers presents a copyright problems.  I assume this is mainly
a problem for purposes of publishing the FAQs in book form but less of a
problem with the FAQs simply being accessible online at a website (is
that correct, Heid, or is the concern the same no matter what)?

3.  Heidi tells me that she can handle the legal aspects of this project
pro bono (for *free*) through her new law firm, which is wonderful news.

So  . . . thoughts anyone?

Brief update: I leave town on Friday morning for 5 days and well . . .
my FAQs aren't done.  I'm still hopeful I can get JKR done & perhaps
finish up Wizarding Govt as well.  Fanfic is done other than I'm waiting
on Ebony's comments.  Romance Pairings is done except for determining if
recent discussions need to be added in.  I will try to upload what I
have before I leave so that anyone who's curious can see what these look
like so far.  My biggest remaining FAQs are Hogwarts & Hermione.

Penny




From Ebonyteach at aol.com  Thu Sep 28 03:52:27 2000
From: Ebonyteach at aol.com (Ebonyteach at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:52:27 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Turning the FAQs into a Book?
Message-ID: <73.728faad.27041a7b@aol.com>

Hi Penny and all:

I like the idea of the book.  Not sure of the legalities involved--though I 
trust that Penny and Heidi have that well in hand.

Penny:  I'm finishing up a *huge* e-mail with general comments on your FAQ 
(which I thought was pretty exhaustive and well done overall) and the list of 
recommended "fanfic authors for grown-ups.  Perhaps I can print a copy to 
give you when we meet next week here in MI.

Group:  My FAQs (the smaller Ethnicity, Gender & Religion ones) should be 
ready to upload in draft form within the next week or so.  I have a 
presentation on Tuesday so I don't expect I'll be able to get it up before 
then.

Neil, how's Quidditch coming along?  And everyone else--hang in there.  :)

Best,

Ebony



From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Thu Sep 28 07:21:19 2000
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:21:19 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Turning the FAQs into a Book?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000928072119.00660550@popmail.dircon.co.uk>

At 23:52 09/27/2000 EDT, Ebony wrote:

>Neil, how's Quidditch coming along?  And everyone else--hang in there.  :)
>

I've downloaded the Yahoo messages on Quidditch (including one really top
rate, enthusiastic post from you), but I haven't started the FAQ itself.  I
won't be able to do much FAQ work until this weekend and next week, but I'll
let you see the Q draft when it's ready.

Neil


            Flying-Ford-Anglia

 *****************************************

   "Then, dented, scratched and steaming, 
   the car rumbled off into the darkness, 
   its rear lights blazing angrily"

 [Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets]

 *****************************************






From HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com  Thu Sep 28 19:44:11 2000
From: HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at egroups.com)
Date: 28 Sep 2000 19:44:11 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
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Hello,

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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Thu Sep 28 19:46:29 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi tandy)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:46:29 -0000
Subject: stouffer faq
Message-ID: <8r076l+h6lp@eGroups.com>

I just uploaded the Stouffer faq. PLEASE let me know if there's too 
much legalese in it - I think it's pretty user-friendly, but I've 
been living & breathing these issues for over 5 years so I fear I may 
be missing the forrest for the trees.




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 28 23:33:45 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:33:45 +0100
Subject: Legal things FAQ, FAQ into a book and my FAQ's
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINCEAHCJAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello

I have read through the FAQ on legal issues and have a couple of points.

Stouffer uses Lilly instead of Lily.
Jenna's website having a muggle section is mentioned twice in the links
section.

Apart from this it seems fine. I have only a small knowledge of legal
issues, but understood the points being made.


Penny wrote: "I've been giving some general thought to Joywitch's suggestion
that we try to turn the FAQs into a book."

This left me with the following question: Who would want to buy a book in
which a large group of people publish their feelings on the HP series?
To which I then answered that this is what that person who we were talking
about last week has done! I have no concerns about the legal stuff, will
leave this to our lawyers to sort out, and would be delighted to see 'my
name in print'! IMHO the money should go towards children's charities,
especially those that promote literacy among the young.


I have uploaded two FAQ's so far (animal characters and predictions for
future books); I am in the process of sorting through the yahoo messages for
4 FAQ's (Weasley's, Voldemort, Dursley's and Wands). This only leaves me
with 'the big fish to fry'. Yep, I have not done anything on the Harry FAQ
yet!

I have had a few distractions this evening - chapter 15 and about 100+
messages.

I am busy for all of Saturday (celebrating mum's birthday) and am moving
back to Oxford on Sunday so I only have today (it is Friday in the UK as I
write this) to work on them before the deadline. I have practically nothing
on next week (my lectures do not start for over a week), and so plan to do
large volumes of work on my FAQ's during this period. I expect to have
posted all of my FAQ's, in there first draft, by Sunday 8th.

Ebony wrote: "And everyone else--hang in there."

Thank you, and the same in return.

Simon




From simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk  Thu Sep 28 23:38:28 2000
From: simon.branford at hertford.ox.ac.uk (Simon Branford)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:38:28 +0100
Subject: Legal things FAQ, FAQ into a book and my FAQ's
Message-ID: <LOBBLGEGEBLNEOFHCDINIEAHCJAA.simon.branford@hertford.ox.ac.uk>

Hello

I have read through the FAQ on legal issues and have a couple of points.

Stouffer uses Lilly instead of Lily.
Jenna's website having a muggle section is mentioned twice in the links
section.

Apart from this it seems fine. I have only a small knowledge of legal
issues, but understood the points being made.


Penny wrote: "I've been giving some general thought to Joywitch's suggestion
that we try to turn the FAQs into a book."

This left me with the following question: Who would want to buy a book in
which a large group of people publish their feelings on the HP series?
To which I then answered that this is what that person who we were talking
about last week has done! I have no concerns about the legal stuff, will
leave this to our lawyers to sort out, and would be delighted to see 'my
name in print'! IMHO the money should go towards children's charities,
especially those that promote literacy among the young.


I have uploaded two FAQ's so far (animal characters and predictions for
future books); I am in the process of sorting through the yahoo messages for
4 FAQ's (Weasley's, Voldemort, Dursley's and Wands). This only leaves me
with 'the big fish to fry'. Yep, I have not done anything on the Harry FAQ
yet!

I have had a few distractions this evening - chapter 15 and about 100+
messages.

I am busy for all of Saturday (celebrating mum's birthday) and am moving
back to Oxford on Sunday so I only have today (it is Friday in the UK as I
write this) to work on them before the deadline. I have practically nothing
on next week (my lectures do not start for over a week), and so plan to do
large volumes of work on my FAQ's during this period. I expect to have
posted all of my FAQ's, in there first draft, by Sunday 8th.

Ebony wrote: "And everyone else--hang in there."

Thank you, and the same in return.

Simon




From sarvalsha at dellnet.com  Fri Sep 29 08:44:40 2000
From: sarvalsha at dellnet.com (Margaret McNie)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:44:40 -0700
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Turning the FAQs into a Book?
References: <1.5.4.32.20000928072119.00660550@popmail.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002801c029f1$83226360$55a21c3f@fxgg10b>

Hey Penny,

I have no objections to a book. I think it was Simon who suggested donating
the money to children's literacy charities which sounds like a great idea to
me.

I am trying to fit the FAQs in when I can. I haven't even been to see my
boys (the four-legged kind) for a couple of weeks because I've had overtime
at work and family obligations. The boys are going to think of me as someone
who brings them carrots occasionally.

I am also getting ready for my trip and starting to have trouble keeping
myself focused. What was the expression that turned up on the board about
the dragon dung hitting the . . .? The consulting firm doing the
redevelopment on our systems just found out I'm leaving for three weeks. If
they could, they would stop it but luckily I don't work for them.

I have gone through all the Lupin messages and am about ready to start
writing. However, I have just started looking at the Dumbledore stuff and
that's bigger. I would like to finish both before I leave on the 10th
although I don't know how realistic that is. Perhaps I can manage at least a
good first cut. Then I can give them more attention when I get back. Hope
that's o.k.

Hmm, just thinking. My Lupin FAQ was going to include a 'Is he sexy?'
section . . . as I'm sure the Sirius one will. While that is well and good
for this forum, I wonder whether some modifications would be needed for a
general audience publication. Not that I planned on saying anything
objectionable or graphic but is this something we would need to consider if
we plan on a book?


Margaret



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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Sep 29 11:30:27 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (heidi)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:30:27 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ]remus, sirius, respective sex appeal thereof
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Margaret McNie wrote:

>
> Hmm, just thinking. My Lupin FAQ was going to include a 'Is he sexy?'
> section . . . as I'm sure the Sirius one will. While that is well and good
> for this forum, I wonder whether some modifications would be needed for a
> general audience publication. Not that I planned on saying anything
> objectionable or graphic but is this something we would need to consider if
> we plan on a book?

Oh, I want to keep these things in there! The book, if we do end up doing it,
will be an HP for GROWN UPS book, and as long as we don't get too graphic (and
nothing on the list itself has been although I can think of some fanfics which
have (including but not limited to PoU & ASA).
There have been articles in the press about men having major crushes on
fictional/cartoon characters like Lara Croft - and women through the ages have
swooned over Mr Darcy - why not add a few others to the list?

But whoever does the McGonnegal FAQ mihgt want to add a simialr section as well
- I remember a few earlier messages about this...




From linsenma at hic.net  Fri Sep 29 12:05:47 2000
From: linsenma at hic.net (Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:05:47 -0500
Subject: FAQ/Book Content
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Message-ID: <39D4859B.21CA39B@hic.net>

Hi

Margaret McNie wrote:

> I have gone through all the Lupin messages and am about ready to start
>
> writing. However, I have just started looking at the Dumbledore stuff
> and
> that's bigger. I would like to finish both before I leave on the 10th
> although I don't know how realistic that is. Perhaps I can manage at
> least a good first cut. Then I can give them more attention when I get
> back. Hope that's o.k.

Sounds great to me!  At this point . . . I'm running so far behind with
my own FAQs that I'm hardly in a position to complain about anyone
else.  <g>  Made great headway on JKR yesterday, but it's nowhere near
ready to post.  Sorry!  I will turn my full attention to these things
when we return though.  I swear!

> Hmm, just thinking. My Lupin FAQ was going to include a 'Is he sexy?'
> section . . . as I'm sure the Sirius one will. While that is well and
> good for this forum, I wonder whether some modifications would be
> needed for a general audience publication. Not that I planned on
> saying anything
> objectionable or graphic but is this something we would need to
> consider if we plan on a book?

I'm with Heidi on that one.  I think we'll be targeting a more adult
readership -- we should avoid anything graphic obviously.  But innuendo
& general humor should be included.  The fanfic section should obviously
contain "adult content" warnings for those to which it applies.

Penny
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From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu  Fri Sep 29 17:03:45 2000
From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:03:45 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Turning the FAQs into a Book?
Message-ID: <1AB004C24D4CD311A19D0008C75F90EF0107A91F@FTLEXC1>

One other comment on the FAQ/Book issue - if we do decide to do it as a
book, we should make sure that we've incorporated some of the discussion
threads since the move to Egroups - the thing is, we've already had over
2500 messages there which would be about 1/4 of the total messages since the
yahoo club was founded
In terms of messages, I'm thinking of things like the very recent Why Didn't
Lupin Touch Harry thread, as well as older ones, like the WWII parallels and
of course, all the sins discussed by Peg and all the What TO Read Next
recommendations. I've already started incorporating the egroups things into
my faqs, especially the POtters Faq.
Or is this asking too much?


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