From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 14:23:10 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:23:10 +0200 Subject: Working on Pettigrew References: Message-ID: <027e01c14a84$98e5a590$e500a8c0@shasta> CROSSPOST: Mod group & FAQ group Hi guys! I'm finally back at work on Pettigrew. Two quick questions: (1) Can someone tell me whether "Rowena Grunnion-Fitch" has another name? I think I'll quote her; I also think she's a newbie, but I'm not quite sure. If I can help it, I never call people things like "Rowena Grunnion-Fitch," even if I do think the assertion that "Peter at least *can't* be a Gryffindor" epitomizes a conspicuous weakness in the creative thinking area. (2) I asked this in the big group as well, but I'll try fishing here as well: does anyone know of a serious, searchable collection of Jo's interviews? And if not, isn't this one of the truly desperate needs of HP fandom? Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, eyes alight with the flames of rekindled fanaticism.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 1 19:31:47 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:31:47 -0400 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Working on Pettigrew Message-ID: AG said: >(1) Can someone tell me whether "Rowena Grunnion-Fitch" has another name? I >think I'll quote her; I also think she's a newbie, but I'm not quite sure. >If I can help it, I never call people things like "Rowena Grunnion-Fitch," >even if I do think the assertion that "Peter at least *can't* be a >Gryffindor" epitomizes a conspicuous weakness in the creative thinking >area. There's a double f in Ffitch, which makes me put even more money on it being a pseudonym. You'll have to ask her, though. (I think it sounds like an Edward Gorey character.) >(2) I asked this in the big group as well, but I'll try fishing here as >well: does anyone know of a serious, searchable collection of Jo's >interviews? And if not, isn't this one of the truly desperate needs of HP >fandom? No and yes and are you volunteering? Amy Zesty-Zurgatroyd whose conscience is now muttering "get back to your FAQ!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 1 19:43:13 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:43:13 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Working on Pettigrew References: Message-ID: <02ee01c14ab1$4f3dedd0$e500a8c0@shasta> > No and yes and are you volunteering? I actually started collecting URLs once, several months ago. Got to a grand total of 16 before my wife informed me that I was at risk of being forced to swallow a lot of pills before being put in a padded room for a long time. Still ... I suppose I could just put up a web page with that list and invite people to send URLs. I'd have to figure whether a google box will actually do what I'd like it to. Perhaps I could tend a page for someone who already has a site going? Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who is warming up to the idea and is also glad that he isn't the only member of humanity with an imaginary person on his conscience.) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From pennylin at swbell.net Tue Oct 2 15:16:15 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:16:15 -0500 Subject: Searchable JKR Interviews; FAQs status References: <02ee01c14ab1$4f3dedd0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <3BB9DA3F.1050109@swbell.net> Hi -- Mike, I'd *love* for there to be a searchable resource of all JKR interviews, chats, etc. I know the Lexicon has a number of links, and you can search each individual link easily enough. But, it'd be nice to type in "Azkaban" & have it point you to the 3 interviews where she mentions Azkaban, including the chat where she confirms its general location. In other words, something where you can do a global search for keywords. You remember you read where she said that Ginny would feature more in the coming books but you have no idea where -- it'd be great to go to this one location, type in Ginny & get referred to all interviews & chats where Ginny's name appears (you'd click on each one & it would take you directly to the first mention of the word "Ginny"; each click would take you forward to a mention of the word Ginny in each of the hits). I hope someone with some technological know-how could set something up; it's a definite need in the fandom! FAQs status: Ahem. Could we have some reports? It's been a few months now since we went live, and as far as I know, we've not been able to make any announcements of newly-added FAQs. Penny From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 18:05:11 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:05:11 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews; FAQs status References: <02ee01c14ab1$4f3dedd0$e500a8c0@shasta> <3BB9DA3F.1050109@swbell.net> Message-ID: <001b01c14b6c$c7b2a790$e500a8c0@shasta> > I hope someone with some technological know-how could set something up; > it's a definite need in the fandom! That should be perfectly feasible with a google box. It would be *extremely* easy if we copied the text of the interviews onto our site - but I assume that Heidi would put a nasty hex on us for that. However, I *think* the box can be programmed to search a set of external sites, too. I just emailed google to ask. Again, I'd enjoy tinkering with such a site - but my html skills are no great shakes. If anyone else wants to run with the idea, just drop me a line! Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From vderark at bccs.org Thu Oct 4 06:02:19 2001 From: vderark at bccs.org (Steve Vander Ark) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:02:19 -0000 Subject: Searchable JKR Interviews; FAQs status In-Reply-To: <001b01c14b6c$c7b2a790$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <9pgu1b+v0n1@eGroups.com> Okay, I do have a page with all the interviews as an HTML document. I search it when I'm writing Lexicon pages (using the "Find in page" option under "edit"). I haven't uploaded it anywhere because of copyright issues, but I do have it. It's fairly large (over 1 meg as I recall), and there are a few interviews that HPGalleries has that I should add to it. Being a library media specialist, I get really anal retentive about copyrights and such, but I suppose I could upload it here... Penny, I did upload the newer version of the Fanfic page now. In the future, it would be very helpful if Paul did that conversion thing he does on the Word docs that people upload. It takes me a while to go through and redo the link to outside sources. Steve From kippesp at swbell.net Thu Oct 4 16:02:39 2001 From: kippesp at swbell.net (Paul M. Kippes) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:02:39 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews; FAQs status In-Reply-To: <9pgu1b+v0n1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Steve Vander Ark wrote: > In the future, it would be very helpful if Paul did that conversion thing he > does on the Word docs that people upload. It takes me a while to go through > and redo the link to outside sources. Yes. I can do this in the future. When I see updates I'll post to the FAQ board that I'm on it. [Interview Search] I like Google a great deal. But there are places it doesn't touch. Wouldn't it be allowed to upload the file to the FAQ group since 1) the group isn't publically available, 2) we are just shifting where the data is so that the data doesn't vanish and it is in one spot, and 3) we intend to use this data for research purposes? Attempting to setup search capabilities to hit multiple websites is possible but I just wonder on what the intended use is. Is it for all? Is it for FAQ writers? If it is for all, perhaps the best solution is, in fact, Google and the limitations inherent in using it arn't *that* bad. Paul From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 12:55:34 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:55:34 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews References: Message-ID: <00ae01c14ff8$855f3ee0$e500a8c0@shasta> Hi guys! Have a look at the following. It's just a first shot to see whether I could get a search engine to spider my links. Seems to work. http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/ BTW, this isn't a public site, and it needs a massive amount of work to be anywhere near usable. I only wanted to try out the search engine technology! Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 14:48:00 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:48:00 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews References: <00ae01c14ff8$855f3ee0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <00b401c15008$3a012ac0$e500a8c0@shasta> !@#$% Never mind. I should have tested more carefully before posting. The search box seems to be searching the entire domains and not just the pages. (FreeFind.com had a box where I could input all the URLs I wanted searched - but apparently, it backtracks to take in the whole domain.) Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 8 18:33:37 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:33:37 +0200 Subject: Searchable Interviews Tridux References: <00ae01c14ff8$855f3ee0$e500a8c0@shasta> <00b401c15008$3a012ac0$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <00d001c15027$becd8090$e500a8c0@shasta> (Or whatever comes after redux ... Sorry to be flaunting my incompetence!) I now have the link page up and running with a search engine that actually delivers the goods. With match set to "exact phrase," "Harry loves Hermione" successfully fails to return any hits, whereas "Harry loves Ginny" gets one. (Albeit with match set to "all words" ... ) This now seems like a workable prototype. Assuming this is of use to anyone, I'll make a few more changes: - I'll add the date, author, place and publisher to each link. (Presumably, this would be easiest with a form.) - I'll start collecting more links. Any thoughts, suggestions would be welcome! Here's the link again: http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/ Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From aiz24 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 22:17:07 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:17:07 -0400 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews Message-ID: Wow! How often I've wished for something like this. Thanks, Mike! I've only looked up one name (guess who?) so I can't give a comprehensive review. I'll just say it looks terrific so far. Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From simon at hp.inbox.as Mon Oct 8 22:45:26 2001 From: simon at hp.inbox.as (Simon) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:45:26 +0100 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Crabbe - he is your favourite character :P -----Original Message----- From: Amy Z [mailto:aiz24 at hotmail.com] Sent: 08 October 2001 23:17 To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews Wow! How often I've wished for something like this. Thanks, Mike! I've only looked up one name (guess who?) so I can't give a comprehensive review. I'll just say it looks terrific so far. Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From pennylin at swbell.net Tue Oct 9 03:41:13 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:41:13 -0500 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Searchable Interviews Tridux References: <00ae01c14ff8$855f3ee0$e500a8c0@shasta> <00b401c15008$3a012ac0$e500a8c0@shasta> <00d001c15027$becd8090$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <3BC271D9.3060209@swbell.net> Mike -- I love this!!! Thanks. I hope you're able to find links to most all her interviews -- that would be a terrific resource. I searched "north sea" & within seconds, easily found the interview where she said Azkaban was located in the north sea. Cool. Penny Aberforth's Goat wrote: > (Or whatever comes after redux ... Sorry to be flaunting my incompetence!) > > I now have the link page up and running with a search engine that actually > delivers the goods. With match set to "exact phrase," "Harry loves Hermione" > successfully fails to return any hits, whereas "Harry loves Ginny" gets one. > (Albeit with match set to "all words" ... ) > > This now seems like a workable prototype. Assuming this is of use to anyone, > I'll make a few more changes: > > - I'll add the date, author, place and publisher to each link. (Presumably, > this would be easiest with a form.) > > - I'll start collecting more links. > > Any thoughts, suggestions would be welcome! > > Here's the link again: > > http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/ > > Baaaaaa! > > Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) > _______________________ > > "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been > bravery...." > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 07:12:58 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:12:58 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Searchable Interviews Tridux References: <00ae01c14ff8$855f3ee0$e500a8c0@shasta> <00b401c15008$3a012ac0$e500a8c0@shasta> <00d001c15027$becd8090$e500a8c0@shasta> <3BC271D9.3060209@swbell.net> Message-ID: <013f01c15091$d36de840$e500a8c0@shasta> Thanks all! > I hope you're able to find links to most all > her interviews -- that would be a terrific resource. As of this morning, I have links to about 40 interviews (plus 6 of them are audio / video and hence not indexed.) In short, I've put up everything I've ever found or read and then some, including sifting through a couple hundred pages of google hits. I intend to keep on sifting - but if any of you have personal collections - or even recollections - would you mind contributing the URLs, keywords, stray sentences, vague descriptions? If I have an idea what to look for, I can probably find it somewhere. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, whose stomach flu is finally in permanent remission - and who discovered Sunday that you can actually preach 35 minutes with a stomach flu - though he wouldn't exactly recommend trying it out ...) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From aiz24 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 9 12:39:42 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:39:42 -0400 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Searchable JKR Interviews Message-ID: >Crabbe - he is your favourite character :P Oh geez, I didn't read this until after I'd posted my unbelievably LOONy e-mail about which one is Crabbe and which is Goyle. Now it's even more glaringly obvious that I have the hots for Vinny. ...sigh... Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pennylin at swbell.net Wed Oct 17 21:10:14 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: [HPforGrownups] Re: Crookshanks and Dumbledore's Gleam] Message-ID: <3BCDF3B6.3000305@swbell.net> Hi -- <<>> So .... anyone have any answers for Cindy? Any ETAs for completion of remaining FAQs? :--) Penny (Slave-driver of the FAQs Team) From aiz24 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 18 02:53:10 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:53:10 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >Any ETAs for completion of >remaining FAQs? :--) > >Penny >(Slave-driver of the FAQs Team) All right, I'll say it here before witnesses so that I'll have to do it: I'll have mine done by the end of the month. That's Halloween and the day before the full moon. ;-) Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From pennylin at swbell.net Wed Oct 24 23:22:07 2001 From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:22:07 -0500 Subject: Weasley Family FAQ Message-ID: <3BD74D1F.10806@swbell.net> Hi -- I was just about to refer everyone to the Weasley Family FAQ re: the Weasley ages debates of long ago. When I went to get the URL, I realized that it hasn't been uploaded. May I ask why? It's been ready since we launched the FAQs in July. Penny (who would still love to hear how everyone is coming with their FAQs or is it just a dead project that she wasted alot of time on? So far, Amy is the only person who responded to my last query ... so I'm feeling a bit lonely & forlorn & rejected ...) From sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk Thu Oct 25 17:53:38 2001 From: sjbranford at tiscali.co.uk (Simon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:53:38 +0100 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Weasley Family FAQ In-Reply-To: <3BD74D1F.10806@swbell.net> Message-ID: Sorry for the lateness in replying. Recently I have been filling in job application forms and had forgotten to reply to the message on this group. Basically I have very little time to spare on the FAQs at the moment and am very unsure as to when this will change. As I see it I would like it to be the case that I bring all me FAQs to the same level of completion and then move away from the project. Looking into next year I cannot see it being the case that I will have enough free time to commit to the project along with my other commitments. -----Original Message----- From: Penny & Bryce [mailto:pennylin at swbell.net] Sent: 25 October 2001 00:22 To: HPFGU - FAQs Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Weasley Family FAQ Hi -- I was just about to refer everyone to the Weasley Family FAQ re: the Weasley ages debates of long ago. When I went to get the URL, I realized that it hasn't been uploaded. May I ask why? It's been ready since we launched the FAQs in July. Penny (who would still love to hear how everyone is coming with their FAQs or is it just a dead project that she wasted alot of time on? So far, Amy is the only person who responded to my last query ... so I'm feeling a bit lonely & forlorn & rejected ...) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Fri Oct 26 02:27:11 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:27:11 +0200 Subject: Pettigrew is in! References: <3BD74D1F.10806@swbell.net> Message-ID: <002001c15dc6$0ad20b90$e500a8c0@shasta> Penny would > still love to hear how everyone is coming with their FAQs and is feeling or > a bit lonely & forlorn & rejected ...) There, there. Sounds like you need a new Pettigrew FAQ to cheer you up! It's still a very rough draft, so I'm going to post the FAQ here for anyone to comment on or correct. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." _________________________________________ Peter Pettigrew FAQ "Sunshine, daisies, butter mellow, Turn this stupid, fat rat yellow." (Philosopher's Stone, Chapter 6) Was the spell a dud? Did Ron mispronounce "daisies? Does that particular spell work only on non-animagical rats? Only Pettigrew's creator knows for certain, but one thing is obvious: Peter, owner of the most abysmal charm quotient in Potterdom, could have used the help. Grown women swoon over Sirius, notwithstanding a certain canine pungency. Draco has inspired his fanfictional admirers to mordant wit and leather trousers. Readers claim kinship with Percy, rationalize Ron and have strange fantasies about Snape. Even Voldemort earns a bit a respect for surviving four sizeable books without ever having bothered to learn from the errors of other Evil Overlords (http://minievil.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html). But Pettigrew doesn't cut muster. No one respects him, no one admires him, no one fears him-and if anyone has ever lusted after him, they've kept very quiet about it. THE LIFE AND TIMES OF A RAT Who is Peter? Pettigrew, or rather Scabbers, shows up with Ron in chapter six of PS. Except for biting Goyle's finger in the same chapter, he spends most of the following two books sleeping, chewing on sheets and being pushed off chairs on which more significant characters want to sit. In PoA he gains a higher profile. Suffering from the ravages of age and the molestations of Hermione's cat Crookshanks, Scabbers disappears-apparently into Crookshank's jaws-only reappear in the form of Peter Pettigrew: erstwhile marauder, unregistered animagus, dead hero, live rat. At the climax of PoA, Harry convinces Sirius and Remus to spare Pettigrew's life. Shortly afterward, Pettigrew escapes. In GoF he resurfaces in the company of his master Voldemort. He kills Cedric at Voldemort's command, contributes his own right hand to Voldemort's rebirth and receives shiny, bionic replacement. As to his appearance, the least said the better. As a human (whether adult or juvenile), Peter is described as pudgy and weak. As a rat, he is fat, lethargic and *gray*. (As a pointed out in a short and rather amusing club discussion http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/9180, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/9189, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/10200.) As a young wizard, he was a hanger-on, outclassed by his friends James, Sirius and Remus; however, he is not entirely inept, since he did succeed in becoming an animagus and showed considerable skill in his showdown with Sirius (10617). List members have pointed out that Peter is not merely sympathetic to Voldemort but a confirmed Death Eater, bearing the dark mark (3310, 15935). Peg Kerr also chose him as an example of a person unable to understand true charity (4371). To which house did he belong? This leads to a further question: which house was Peter in? There are strong reasons for us to assume that he was a Gryffindor. Jo has given us no conclusive proof - either in canon or in interviews - that *any* of the marauders belonged to Gryffindor. [In fact, she doesn't even call them "Marauders"; but since everyone else does, I will too.] However, granted the close parallels between Harry and James (in particular their enmity with Snape and Draco), it is very difficult to imagine James (at least) in any other house. Also, Jo has said in on-line chats that Lilly and Hagrid were "naturally" from Gryffindor (see http://www.hpgalleries.com/c103.htm, http://www.hpgalleries.com/c102.htm). It's hard to imagine how this "naturally" could apply to Lilly and Hagrid but not to James - nor for that matter to Remus and Sirius too. Further, although fans have often speculated that the four friends came from different houses, we have yet to see a close, non-romantic friendship between members of differing houses - particularly if one of the houses is Slytherin. [Hormonally enhanced friendships between houses seem common; however, until now the gates of Slytherin appear to have held steady even against the feral scent of love.] Thus, if at least one of the marauders was in Gryffindor, chances are, they all were. However, if we assume that Pettigrew was a Gryffindor, what are we to make of his betrayal? According to a group member named Rowena Grunnion-Fitch, someone of Pettigrew's propensities "*can't* be a Gryffindor since their chief characteristic is courage and he has none at all. He does however have cunning, he could be a Slytherin." True: he could be a Slytherin. However, I think it is more likely that Pettigrew is a Gryffindor, albeit a lapsed one - and that his current excursion from the path of virtue doesn't count against him. For one thing, many members would actually be reassured to know that the Potterverse isn't governed by a sort of inexorable moral apartheid in which eleven year olds sent to a certain school class will spend the rest of their lives behaving according to the virtues of that particular class. Somehow, we have a hard time believing that a person like Jo Rowling could create a world like that. In any case, it is seems likely that Pettigrew will eventually repent of his follies. One shouldn't forget the passage in PoA where Harry regrets his decision to save Pettigrew's life. Dumbledore disagrees: "Pettigrew owes his life to you. You have sent Voldemort a deputy who is in your debt.... When one wizard saves another wizard's life, it creates a certain bond between them... and I'm much mistaken if Voldemort wants his servant in the debt of Harry Potter." "I don't want a connection with Pettigrew!" said Harry. "He betrayed my parents!" "This is magic at its deepest, its most impenetrable, Harry. But trust me... the time may come when you will be very glad you saved Pettigrew's life." This leaves a strong impression that Pettigrew will not spend the rest of his life with a black hat on his head. Caius Marcius (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/5123) has gone so far as to predict that Pettigrew will give his life to save Harry. True Pettigrew fans have conclusively disproved this theory - but since they don't exist, Caius Marcius could well be right. [However, anyone who objects to such bloodthirsty scenarios may prefer my own more peaceable version: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/5405.] Why did he bite Goyle? During Harry and Ron's inaugural fight with Draco, Pettigrew bites Goyle's finger. Why? Was Scabbers settling an old score or just working off steam? Or is this a foreshadowing of some harrowing struggle? No one knows. But that hasn't stopped HPfGU members from floating a theory or two. Hella suggests a progression of bites: Pettigrew sees Harry for the first time. Conscience bit, he decides to bite Goyle to make up for his lack of resistance so many years back. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/24324) Rrishi - who apparently knows things about rats that I don't - thinks Scabbers may have just been acting like a rat, defending his territory against intruders. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/24351). Monika, apparently used to a rather different sort of rat, suggests that Scabbers - who had just been given to Ron by Percy - wanted to encourage his new owner to take good care of him. (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/8513) However, Saitaina's (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/24280) theory takes at least as much cake as anyone else's: Now here's my question...why did Peter as Scabbers, bite Goyle? He didn't have to. It's not like he ever really did anything as Scabbers beyond sleeping and shaking in a terrified manner. So why bite him at all? Was Goyle about to steal the Cauldron Cake he had been munching on in his sleep? How did he survive his explosion? Carole Estes, co-author of A Sirius Affair http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ParadigmOfUncertainty/files/A%20Sirius%20Affair/, once expressed a certain surprise that Pettigrew survived the explosion with which he killed 12 muggles and fooled all of wizardom. The simple answer is that Pettigrew wasn't an idiot. For a more complicated answer (including a rather fetching diagram) see Milz's answer (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/10663). PETTIGREW AND THE MYSTERIES OF MAGIC Why doesn't he show up on the map? One of the favorite pursuits of the true HP fan is Flint hunting - or ferreting out those devilish details where Jo's vision seems a tad fuzzy. The Marauder's Map is an old favorite among Flint hunters and has consumed enough bandwidth to obliterate whatever earnings Yahoo might otherwise have had this year. The question is rather simple: quite a few people used the Marauder's Map without ever noticing that Scabbers had the wrong name hovering over his dot. Why? Fortunately, Penny has attacked this question in his mystery FAQ http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/mysteries.html; if the gentle reader isn't satisfied with Neil's theories, she'll have to make up her own. What happens to Pettigrew's clothes when he transforms? No idea. Presumably, whatever happens all his other animagus friends' clothes. See Penny's FAQ (http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/mysteries.html). PETTIGREW AND HIS ADMIRERS Is there anything else I should know about Pettigrew? Probably not - but if you're really excited about Pettigrew, you'll be even more excited when you find out that HPfGU members have spent a fair amount of time discussing Pettigrew's parallels both within the canon and in general literature. Within the canon, Peter finds two points of comparison: Neville and Ron. The first comparison is covered in the Neville FAQ. http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/neville.html#character The second is a bit more tricky - and, to judge from the occasional "shipping wars" on the list, an effective, if somewhat dangerous, conversation piece. Fortunately, Neil has covered the question in his Ron FAQ. http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/ron.html#BETRAYAL (In case you want to get the low down from people who really like Ron, have a look at Sugar Quill http://www.sugarquill.com/ - but don't pull any comparison stuff unless you really, really like Pettigrew.) All in all, comparisons outside the canon are a lot safer. Peter obviously makes for a grand Judas figure (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/7838 ). More intriguing are the parallels between Jo's Wormtail and Tolkien's Wormtongue. Amy (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/11783) and Marvin (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/11785) offered several interesting thoughts on this relationship. Since Jo read the Lord of the Rings when she was about twenty (http://www.comicrelief.com/harrysbooks/pages/transcript.shtml), it is entirely possible that Pettigrew had an ancestor (or is it descendant?) in Middle Earth. Where can I find out more about Pettigrew? Well, to be honest, there isn't much more out there. Pettigrew fans (assuming there are any) certainly won't find much material on the web. Nasubionna's site offers the most comprehensive overview http://envy.nu/nasubionna/peter.html. Steve Vander Ark has a few bits of information http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/pettigrew.html, but the pickings are generally lean. However, Pettigrew has featured prominently in the world of filkdom, raking in such hits as Pettigrew, The Way We Gnaw and You're Bad for Me (all by Caius Marcius) and My Master You Know Who (by Pipin). http://home.att.net/~coriolan/azkaban.htm#Pettigrew http://home.att.net/~coriolan/voldemort.htm#My%20Master,%20You%20Know%20Who http://home.att.net/~coriolan/voldemort.htm#The%20Way%20We%20Gnaw http://home.att.net/~coriolan/voldemort.htm#You're%20Bad%20for%20Me Finally, Dr. Elizabeth Schafer, author of the Beacham's Sourcebooks For Teaching Young Adult Fiction: Exploring Harry Potter, has subjected Pettigrew to a bit of literary psychoanalysis with the claim that his missing finger symbolizes his trouble making a point. [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/2458] (For an extended review of this curious tome, please see http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/book_beacham.html.) Which is as good a place as any to end this FAQ. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aiz24 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 26 12:24:37 2001 From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:24:37 -0400 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Pettigrew is in! Message-ID: Mike the G wrote: >There, there. Sounds like you need a new Pettigrew FAQ to cheer you up! >It's still a very rough draft, so I'm going to post the FAQ here for anyone >to comment on or correct.< Oh, the pressure is on. After LMHO reading this, I realize that *my* FAQ is so dry and unfunny I just want to give up. Minor corrections: -Lily has one l. I mean 2 ls, but not consecutively. That is, Lily is spelled with two ls, not three . . . oh, forget it. -Likewise, Pippin is spelled with two ps, meaning three. -I don't think we *should* give in and call the Fab Four the Marauders. The tide is against us, but we must resist! -I saw a couple of typos, but now I can't find them. Point of interest: the Wormtail/Wormtongue discussion also led to some stuff on Wormwood, of Lewis's The Screwtape Letters. Great, great job, Mike. Amy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com Sat Oct 27 21:47:51 2001 From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com) Date: 27 Oct 2001 21:47:51 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ Message-ID: <1004219271.1455.13561.w30@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ group. File : /FAQs/Pettigrew.htm Uploaded by : Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Description : Simple html with hyperlinks and footnotes. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FAQs/Pettigrew.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 22:34:23 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 00:34:23 +0200 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Pettigrew is in! References: Message-ID: <008d01c15f37$8746d210$e500a8c0@shasta> > Oh, the pressure is on. After LMHO reading this, I realize that *my* FAQ is > so dry and unfunny I just want to give up. Come, come: we can't *all* be irresponsible! (Takes me right back to my MA thesis, when my whatever-they're-called made me take all the jokes out of the first chapter ... ) > -Lily has one l. I mean 2 ls, but not consecutively. That is, Lily is > spelled with two ls, not three . . . oh, forget it. > > -Likewise, Pippin is spelled with two ps, meaning three. This spelling business never ceases to confuse me! And just when I was starting to think I might have the making of a LOON in my soul ... Anyway, I've edited a fair bit, regendered Penny (who was trying to turn into Neil) and dressed the page in simple html (not formatted for for the FAQ site, though.) It's now in the file section. I'm short on free time just now, so I'll stop mucking about with the file. If Steve wants to beam it up (and correct any more errors!) go for it. Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 18:57:30 2001 From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:57:30 +0100 Subject: Search Page - Version 2 References: <008d01c15f37$8746d210$e500a8c0@shasta> Message-ID: <016201c160ab$8fc08ec0$e500a8c0@shasta> And hi again! I hope I'm not getting on anyone's nerves with my hyperactive posting here in FAQ-land, but I'd be *very* thankful if you'd take my new, improved search page for a spin. I've redone the look, removed quite a few redundant sites, added even more new ones and arranged the sites in a table according to chronology (giving source and author, too). I'm also wondering about the page's future. If you guys are agreeable, I'd like to make it available to the general HPfGU public as a separate page on the FAQ site (obviously under the group's URL; I'd keep the "Goat Pen" for some other endeavor.) I would be glad to open source it (i.e. let other people edit) but I *would* like to be able to edit it too (without having to send my ammendations through a webmaster). Any thoughts? http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/ Baaaaaa! Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray) _______________________ "Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that may not have been bravery...." From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com Tue Oct 30 16:56:05 2001 From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com) Date: 30 Oct 2001 16:56:05 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ Message-ID: <1004460965.1501.85527.w10@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ group. File : /FAQs/FanFicFAQ.htm Uploaded by : heidit at netbox.com Description : October 30, 2001 Update of this FAQ You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FAQs/FanFicFAQ.htm To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, heidit at netbox.com From heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu Tue Oct 30 16:50:08 2001 From: heidi.h.tandy.c92 at alumni.upenn.edu (Tandy, Heidi) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:50:08 -0500 Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ Message-ID: BTW - not only is it updated, it's semi-coded. ::beams:: : ducks out of sight to go write Malfoy FAQ > -----Original Message----- > From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:56 AM > To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ > > > Real-To: > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ > group. > > File : /FAQs/FanFicFAQ.htm > Uploaded by : heidit at netbox.com > Description : October 30, 2001 Update of this FAQ > > You can access this file at the URL > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FAQs/FanFicFAQ.htm > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit > > http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files > > Regards, > > heidit at netbox.com > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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