From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Fri Mar  1 18:44:13 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:44:13 +0100
Subject: Reposting: Venting & Suggestions
References: <16600678.684971418@imcingular.com>
Message-ID: <006301c1c151$1625c3d0$0200a8c0@shasta>

Same thing I said over in Mod-land.

* * * * * * * *

Penny wrote,

> Apparently some FAQ authors were able to code so that their
footnotes
> linked directly to message #s -- I'd sure *love* my FAQs to do
this.
> I'd also love to know *how* to update my FAQs.   <snip>

NB: <humor off> Since I originally ended up in this forum as a
FAQ-writer, this topic is important to me!

It's time to consider four major problems in our FAQ strategy.

Problem 1. Getting stuff online. Right now, this is *my* biggest
irritation. My last FAQ (a finished, coded piece on Pettigrew)
has spent *six months* parked in the FAQ-Group files. All it
needs is a few tweaks and an upload - if I had the passwords for
our space I could do that myself. (That is .. all it needed was
... etc. It's now had six months to go stale.)

Suggestion 1: Let's put the FAQs on a server *all* FAQ writers
can access. (Heck, Geocities would do the trick.) Quite a few of
us know how to put an html file together - certainly enough to
help out someone like Penny. Yes, this "open source" style
involves the possibility of botched links and bad html - but it
would also let anyone competent in html have a look through our
web and edit out the problems.


Problem 2. Personnel. We have quite a few people who can do
content - though many of them are up to their ears in other
projects & duties. We have hardly anyone who knows how to do
really good html - and those who can are already heavily
overloaded. (BTW, this is *not* my forte - I'm a FrontPage wimp.)
This seems odd, since the lists are *crawling* with webmasters.

Suggestion 2. It's time to revive the FAQ group and invite a few
competent webmasters to join it. We should also use that forum to
talk through our areas of content responsibility to see who is
responsible for what, who would like to help and who needs help.


Problem 3. Research methodology. Also, the people who can do
content are being forced to re-invent the wheel every time they
do archive research. There are some simple techniques that have
worked very well for me - and would also make collaborative
research much easier.

Suggestion 3. Once we have some active discussion going in the
FAQ group, let's talk this through. By using a standard Word
table (column 1: post#, column 2: topic discussed in post, column
3: further notes), it would be easy to assign, say a 5,000
message archive sector to a helper.


Problem 4. Responsibility. At the moment, no one seems to know
who is responsible for what - except for the few poor souls who
are supposed to be distilling ca. 50,000 posts into cleverly
written FAQs - all in the hopes that the things will end up
online.

Suggestion 4. Once we're up and talking over in FAQ-land, it
would be a good idea to divvy up responsibility between
HTML-wizards, CONTENT-geists (whether as authors or maintainers)
and RESEARCH-gouls. And <humor back on again> if we had a
fanatically devoted Grand Wizard slashing his whips at all the
minions in the project, it might help us keep things rolling!

Baaaaaa!

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Mar  1 20:52:15 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (plinsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:52:15 -0000
Subject: Update
Message-ID: <a5oplv+saqq@eGroups.com>

Hi all --

Here's an updated list of the FAQs, with a notation to indicate who
the author was (or is or is supposed to be).

If you see your name next to a FAQ assignment & you'd like to throw it
open to have someone else take it on, please shout out now.

As for the known open FAQs, these are up-for-grabs, first-come,
first-served.  <g>

J.K. ROWLING (bio) -- Penny -- uploaded (minor updates needed)

THE WORLD OF HARRY POTTER
British Educational System -- John Walton -- status unknown
Character Accents -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
Character Names -- Heidi Tandy -- status unknown
Geography -- Heidi Tandy -- uploaded (needs updates)
Hogwarts -- Penny Linsenmayer -- uploaded (needs updates)
Mysteries & Inconsistencies -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
Potential Romance Pairings -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
Predictions -- Simon -- uploaded (probably needs revisions)
Quidditch -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
Clothing -- John Walton -- status unknown
Economy -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
Government -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
Magical Devices -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (might need updates)
Mythology & Magical Creatures -- Heidi -- status unknown
Social Issues -- Ebony -- status unknown
Spells & Charms -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
Wands -- Simon -- uploaded (probably no updates or minor)

CHARACTERS
Animal Characters -- Simon -- uploaded (minor updates maybe)
Sirius Black -- NOW OPEN
Albus Dumbledore -- Caius -- status unknown
Dursley Family -- Simon -- uploaded (needs updates possibly)
Hermione Granger -- Penny -- uploaded (needs minor updates)
Rubeus Hagrid -- Catherine Coleman -- newly in progress
Neville Longbottom -- Mike Gray -- uploaded
Remus Lupin -- Amy Z -- in progress
Minerva McGonagall -- Neil Ward -- uploaded
Malfoy Family -- Heidi (and Cassie?) -- status unknown
Peter Pettigrew -- Mike Gray -- uploaded
Harry Potter -- NOW OPEN (Simon has a start in the Files area)
James & Lily Potter -- uploaded -- I have no idea who wrote this
Severus Snape -- Gwen (and staff) -- in progress
Weasley Family -- Simon -- READY TO BE UPLOADED SINCE JULY!!!
Ginny Weasley -- NOW OPEN
Ron Weasley -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (needs updates probably)
Lord Voldemort -- Simon -- needs minor edits & can be uploaded

ABOUT THE BOOKS
Universal Appeal of HP -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
Book Banning & Controversies -- Heidi -- uploaded (needs updates)
Lawsuits -- Heidi -- uploaded (needs updates)
Racial Diversity & HP -- Ebony -- status unknown
Religion & HP -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
Audio Versions -- John Walton -- status unknown
Coverart & International Covers -- Jim Flanagan -- status unknown

FANS
Fan Clubs -- NOW OPEN
Fanfiction -- Penny (Heidi took on later) -- uploaded (needs updates
constantly!)
HP Humor -- NOW OPEN
Merchandise -- Heidi -- status unknown
Movie -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
Other Recommended Reading -- Jeralyn -- uploaded (updates maybe)

Catherine -- I put you down for Hagrid based on what you said on the
MEG list, but wasn't sure if you wanted Ginny as well.  Ginny is
covered in Simon's "Weasley Family" FAQ, but could stand a FAQ of her
own (Simon's section on Ginny could be expanded as we've had lots of
Ginny discussions since he did this).

If you're interested in *maintaining* any of the following (all mine
that I don't want to trouble with maintaining), please speak up:

Hogwarts
Mysteries & Inconsistencies
Fanfiction
Religion (I believe Mike Gray wants to maintain that one ... confirm?)
J.K. Rowling

I'll continue to try & maintain Hermione, Romance Pairings, Government
& Universal Appeal (which needs a better title btw).  :--)

Thanks,

Penny





From editor at texas.net  Fri Mar  1 22:54:13 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:54:13 -0600
Subject: I'm here.
Message-ID: <007901c1c174$04222c00$947c63d1@texas.net>

The Geist is in the house. I have no technological know-how whatsoever,
beyond the understanding necessary to operate things like email and Word and
such.

BUT, I am a trained, and if I do say so myself, kick-ass editor and writer,
so I will happily beta-read anybody's FAQs. With the understanding that
Snape stuff goes to the head of the list.

I'm likely to have time; I just found out my last day at work will be 4/12.
Sigh.

--Amanda




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  1 23:17:18 2002
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barbara Purdom)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:17:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <007901c1c174$04222c00$947c63d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20020301231718.48509.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>

Babs Elf is in the house.  I do research, writing,
editing and coding.  I also do painting, drafting and
carpentry, but I don't think those skills will be
useful here.  I don't do windows.  

I have nothing against any of the characters, as far
as FAQs go.  I noticed Ginny and Ron are both up for
grabs.  I could possibly handle these, but is there a
general Weasley FAQ file that should include them, or
are they big enough names to be all on their own?  Is
Ron included in a "Trio" FAQ file?  Should FAQ files
about individual characters address those nagging
shipping questions?  (Which do seem to be Asked
Frequently.)  I'll stop asking annoying questions now.


--Barb
(the only elf in the house who wants to BUILD
houses...as far as I know <g>)

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Mar  1 23:48:47 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:48:47 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] I'm here.
References: <20020301231718.48509.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3C80135F.5030303@swbell.net>

Hi --

Welcome to Amanda & to Barb!  :--)  New converts.  :::rubs hands 
together gleefully:::

Barbara Purdom wrote:

> 
> I have nothing against any of the characters, as far
> as FAQs go.  I noticed Ginny and Ron are both up for
> grabs.  I could possibly handle these, but is there a
> general Weasley FAQ file that should include them, or
> are they big enough names to be all on their own?

Actually, Neil has already done the Ron FAQ, and it's quite excellent. 
He has thrown it up for grabs in terms of updating it though.

 Is
> Ron included in a "Trio" FAQ file?

There's not a Trio FAQ but rather just a Harry FAQ, Ron FAQ & Hermione 
FAQ.  What would you envision including in a Trio FAQ?

  Should FAQ files
> about individual characters address those nagging
> shipping questions?  (Which do seem to be Asked
> Frequently.)

My Hermione FAQ has a small-ish paragraph which just raises various 
questions & references the Potential Romance Pairings FAQ.

Penny





From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 00:04:30 2002
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barbara Purdom)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:04:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <3C80135F.5030303@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20020302000430.64867.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Penny & Bryce <pennylin at swbell.net> wrote:
> Hi --
> 
> Welcome to Amanda & to Barb!  :--)  New converts. 
> :::rubs hands 
> together gleefully:::

Why do I suddenly feel like Susan Sarandon in "Rocky
Horror?"  (but wearing more than a bra and a slip <g>)

> Barbara Purdom wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have nothing against any of the characters, as
> far as FAQs go.  I noticed Ginny and Ron are both up
> for grabs.  I could possibly handle these, but is
> there a general Weasley FAQ file that should 
> include them, or are they big enough names to be 
> all on their own?
> 
> Actually, Neil has already done the Ron FAQ, and
> it's quite excellent. He has thrown it up for grabs 
> in terms of updating it though.

Can do.

> Is Ron included in a "Trio" FAQ file?
> 
> There's not a Trio FAQ but rather just a Harry FAQ,
> Ron FAQ & Hermione FAQ.  What would you envision 
> including in a Trio FAQ?

There's been a lot of conversation about the way the
Trio act(s) as a unit, the elements that each one
brings to the table (whether Ron or Hermione is
expendable, for instance, or whether everything would
be thrown off with one of them out of the picture). 
I've seen similar things on FictionAlley Park, where
there's a Trio thread.  Since this is about the way
they interact, call me crazy, but I thought of a Trio
FAQ file.  

>   Should FAQ files about individual characters 
> address those nagging shipping questions?  (Which 
> do seem to be Asked Frequently.)
> 
> My Hermione FAQ has a small-ish paragraph which just
> raises various questions & references the Potential 
> Romance Pairings FAQ.

I can do links to another file, then, if they're
addressed there.  That will save work.

--Barb


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sat Mar  2 00:23:05 2002
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (catorman)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:23:05 -0000
Subject: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <007901c1c174$04222c00$947c63d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <a5p619+9frj@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Amanda" <editor at t...> wrote:
> The Geist is in the house. I have no technological know-how 
whatsoever,
> beyond the understanding necessary to operate things like email and 
Word and
> such.
> 
> BUT, I am a trained, and if I do say so myself, kick-ass editor and 
writer,
> so I will happily beta-read anybody's FAQs. With the understanding 
that
> Snape stuff goes to the head of the list.
> 
> I'm likely to have time; I just found out my last day at work will 
be 4/12.
> Sigh.
> 
> --Amanda

So am I.  Ditto the editorial skills (although rusty).  It's very 
late, and I've been cooking dinner for the masses tonight, so that's 
all for now.

Catherine




From john at walton.vu  Sat Mar  2 01:04:04 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:04:04 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <a5p619+9frj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8A5D584.B86B%john@walton.vu>

I'm watching. Don't currently have time to edit a FAQ, but can help out with
techie stuff like HTMLing and FTPing if necessary.

--John

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Mar  2 01:41:02 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:41:02 -0000
Subject: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <007901c1c174$04222c00$947c63d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <a5paje+8i2f@eGroups.com>

   I'm here too. I can beta read, and can help update, too. Can't 
research, alas, with my pitiful dial up connection it would take 
forever.

Pippin




From bonnie at niche-associates.com  Sat Mar  2 01:45:13 2002
From: bonnie at niche-associates.com (dicentra_spectabilis_alba)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 01:45:13 -0000
Subject: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <a5paje+8i2f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5par9+oir@eGroups.com>

Reporting for duty, SIR!

::rolls up sleeves:: 

Time for some Sirius work.

--Dicentra, pleased with her lovely pun




From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sat Mar  2 01:58:49 2002
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:58:49 -0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update
References: <a5oplv+saqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008301c1c18d$e1078340$c03670c2@c5s910j>


A quick summary of my FAQs, responding to Penny's post...

Neil


NEIL DONE/DOING

Magical Devices -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (might need updates) [NW to
update/maintain]
Minerva McGonagall -- Neil Ward -- uploaded [NW update/maintain]
Character Accents -- Neil Ward -- status unknown [NW to complete/upload
first draft (70% done)]
WizWorld (General) [NW doing (message gathering in done to certain point)]


NEIL DONE/DOING, THEN HANDING OVER TO MAINTAIN IF ANY TAKERS

Quidditch -- Neil Ward -- status unknown [NW to update and upload first
draft (85% done), but happy to pass on the broomstick once done]
Ron Weasley -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (needs updates probably) [maintenance
now up for grabs - note that Barb offered]


UP FOR GRABS/GRABBED

Spells & Charms -- Neil Ward -- status unknown [NW still to produce (message
gathering done to Jan 2001); up for grabs if anyone interested]
Movie -- Neil Ward -- status unknown [NW began this, but gave up; up for
grabs 100%!]
Severus Snape -- Gwen (and staff) -- in progress [NW finally let go of the
batfink; Amanda flexed fingers]


CORRECTIONS

Economy -- Neil Ward -- status unknown [NB: Neil and Heidi swapped WW
(Economy) and WW (General); Heidi then did Economy]






From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 02:12:32 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:12:32 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: I'm here.
Message-ID: <F5kBpj4VsIrU7vcsX3u00012db6@hotmail.com>

Pippin wrote:

>    Can't
>research, alas, with my pitiful dial up connection it would take
>forever.
>

Paul put the archives into zipped files; if you can manage to download and 
unzip them, then you've got massive piles of archived posts on your hard 
drive and no need to be online.

Amy

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 02:16:20 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:16:20 -0500
Subject: Magical Devices, Mysteries and Inconsistencies
Message-ID: <F265GZuNY1SWoBDyseV0001f7df@hotmail.com>

I'm counting on y'all to handle these, because that way I get to just put a 
link under "Why oh why doesn't Lupin transform in the Shrieking Shack," "Why 
oh why doesn't he see two Harrys and two Hermiones," and not have to compile 
the posts for these and other headache-inducing, volume-generating topics 
that are tangentially related to my one little FAQ.  I mean FPAWTFT 
(pronounced phht, like the sound of a Skrewt's rear end).

Amy

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From skelkins at attbi.com  Sat Mar  2 06:18:34 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 06:18:34 -0000
Subject: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <a5par9+oir@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5pqrq+ar33@eGroups.com>

I, too, am here.

I have no tech knowledge to speak of, but will happily help
with any research that needs to be done.  I enjoy research, 
because I am strange and obsessive and very very boring.

I have strong opinions about everything under the sun, but
lock them away in a special little box when the situation 
warrants.


-- Elkins




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 13:44:19 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (S_Ings)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:44:19 -0000
Subject: I'm here
Message-ID: <a5qkvj+q2bo@eGroups.com>

No technical knowledge, but I can help with research. Yes, I, too, 
like nitpicky things like this. I don't know how much time I'll have 
now that things can get rolling with the conference, but surely 
there's something small I can work on. :)

Sheryll




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sat Mar  2 15:41:21 2002
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 02:41:21 +1100
Subject: Opening the Tool Box...
Message-ID: <001e01c1c200$b4e9e320$a70adccb@price>

(Tooly glances at the growing list of HPFGU addresses in her Contacts list and dabs lightly at her brow, but gamely opens her Tool Box nonetheless)

A bit preoccupied at the moment, but happy to be of service...

I have a timed internet connection, so extensive trawling of the archives is impractical.  However, I also dedicated several hours of scrutinising the books for all possible information and implication on the Marauders' school days for the formation of my Snape bio and the fortification of LOLLIPOPS, which might come in handy... (Gwen?)

Tabouli.
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From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Sat Mar  2 18:37:38 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:37:38 -0000
Subject: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <3C80135F.5030303@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a5r65i+1o4e@eGroups.com>

Reporting for duty, Captain.

Cindy

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> Hi --
> 
> Welcome to Amanda & to Barb!  :--)  New converts.  :::rubs hands 
> together gleefully:::
> 
> Barbara Purdom wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I have nothing against any of the characters, as far
> > as FAQs go.  I noticed Ginny and Ron are both up for
> > grabs.  I could possibly handle these, but is there a
> > general Weasley FAQ file that should include them, or
> > are they big enough names to be all on their own?
> 
> Actually, Neil has already done the Ron FAQ, and it's quite 
excellent. 
> He has thrown it up for grabs in terms of updating it though.
> 
>  Is
> > Ron included in a "Trio" FAQ file?
> 
> There's not a Trio FAQ but rather just a Harry FAQ, Ron FAQ & 
Hermione 
> FAQ.  What would you envision including in a Trio FAQ?
> 
>   Should FAQ files
> > about individual characters address those nagging
> > shipping questions?  (Which do seem to be Asked
> > Frequently.)
> 
> My Hermione FAQ has a small-ish paragraph which just raises 
various 
> questions & references the Potential Romance Pairings FAQ.
> 
> Penny




From macloudt at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  2 18:39:20 2002
From: macloudt at hotmail.com (macloudt)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:39:20 -0000
Subject: I'm here
In-Reply-To: <a5qkvj+q2bo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5r68o+muco@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "S_Ings" <s_ings at y...> wrote:

> No technical knowledge, but I can help with research. Yes, I, too, 
> like nitpicky things like this. 

So do I, though I've not done computer research before.  Give me a 
book index, and I'm your woman! (What, no takers?  Hmph!)

I read through what's still available, but nothing stuck in my head.  
I know it's not a full moon tonight, though the way work went today 
it might as well be.  I could swear the clock went backwards.  
Anyway, if Ginny is still available, I'll grab her.  I have 3 older 
brothers, so I can sympathise with her.  I'd also like to drop-kick 
her clear across the room sometimes, but never mind.

If I'm wrong, and Ginny is taken, then just, er, toss me 
something/one else that's left over.  And all you techies out there, 
prepared to be bombarded by emails from me, wailing that I can't 
do/find whatever.  Beware!

Mary Ann
(who really should get out of her green polyester work uniform.  I'm 
such a sex goddess *cough*  *hack*)




From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Sat Mar  2 18:51:55 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:51:55 -0000
Subject: Update
In-Reply-To: <a5oplv+saqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5r70b+r3dk@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:
> As for the known open FAQs, these are up-for-grabs, first-come,
> first-served.  <g>

Oooh, it's like a pinata, then?

>Cindy pulls out large bat and lunges forward whilst throwing sharp 
elbows, sweeping all of the goodies into her pockets, but leaving 
the Twizzlers on the ground>

I'd love to work on Sirius.  It should be easy, since half of the 
posts about Sirius are from me.  :-)  Does anyone want to 
collaborate?  Aw, come on.  I'm not that bad.  Really, I'm 
not. ::bats eyelashes::

I'm also interested in the Mysteries FAQ if someone else has dibs on 
Sirius, but I wouldn't want to undertake both of these.

For the record, I have a fast connection, no e-mail, and no techie 
expertiese other than the ability to cut-n-paste.

Cindy




> J.K. ROWLING (bio) -- Penny -- uploaded (minor updates needed)
> 
> THE WORLD OF HARRY POTTER
> British Educational System -- John Walton -- status unknown
> Character Accents -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
> Character Names -- Heidi Tandy -- status unknown
> Geography -- Heidi Tandy -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Hogwarts -- Penny Linsenmayer -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Mysteries & Inconsistencies -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Potential Romance Pairings -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Predictions -- Simon -- uploaded (probably needs revisions)
> Quidditch -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
> Clothing -- John Walton -- status unknown
> Economy -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
> Government -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Magical Devices -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (might need updates)
> Mythology & Magical Creatures -- Heidi -- status unknown
> Social Issues -- Ebony -- status unknown
> Spells & Charms -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
> Wands -- Simon -- uploaded (probably no updates or minor)
> 
> CHARACTERS
> Animal Characters -- Simon -- uploaded (minor updates maybe)
> Sirius Black -- NOW OPEN
> Albus Dumbledore -- Caius -- status unknown
> Dursley Family -- Simon -- uploaded (needs updates possibly)
> Hermione Granger -- Penny -- uploaded (needs minor updates)
> Rubeus Hagrid -- Catherine Coleman -- newly in progress
> Neville Longbottom -- Mike Gray -- uploaded
> Remus Lupin -- Amy Z -- in progress
> Minerva McGonagall -- Neil Ward -- uploaded
> Malfoy Family -- Heidi (and Cassie?) -- status unknown
> Peter Pettigrew -- Mike Gray -- uploaded
> Harry Potter -- NOW OPEN (Simon has a start in the Files area)
> James & Lily Potter -- uploaded -- I have no idea who wrote this
> Severus Snape -- Gwen (and staff) -- in progress
> Weasley Family -- Simon -- READY TO BE UPLOADED SINCE JULY!!!
> Ginny Weasley -- NOW OPEN
> Ron Weasley -- Neil Ward -- uploaded (needs updates probably)
> Lord Voldemort -- Simon -- needs minor edits & can be uploaded
> 
> ABOUT THE BOOKS
> Universal Appeal of HP -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Book Banning & Controversies -- Heidi -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Lawsuits -- Heidi -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Racial Diversity & HP -- Ebony -- status unknown
> Religion & HP -- Penny -- uploaded (needs updates)
> Audio Versions -- John Walton -- status unknown
> Coverart & International Covers -- Jim Flanagan -- status unknown
> 
> FANS
> Fan Clubs -- NOW OPEN
> Fanfiction -- Penny (Heidi took on later) -- uploaded (needs 
updates
> constantly!)
> HP Humor -- NOW OPEN
> Merchandise -- Heidi -- status unknown
> Movie -- Neil Ward -- status unknown
> Other Recommended Reading -- Jeralyn -- uploaded (updates maybe)
> 
> Catherine -- I put you down for Hagrid based on what you said on 
the
> MEG list, but wasn't sure if you wanted Ginny as well.  Ginny is
> covered in Simon's "Weasley Family" FAQ, but could stand a FAQ of 
her
> own (Simon's section on Ginny could be expanded as we've had lots 
of
> Ginny discussions since he did this).
> 
> If you're interested in *maintaining* any of the following (all 
mine
> that I don't want to trouble with maintaining), please speak up:
> 
> Hogwarts
> Mysteries & Inconsistencies
> Fanfiction
> Religion (I believe Mike Gray wants to maintain that one ... 
confirm?)
> J.K. Rowling
> 
> I'll continue to try & maintain Hermione, Romance Pairings, 
Government
> & Universal Appeal (which needs a better title btw).  :--)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Penny




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Mar  2 18:55:15 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:55:15 -0600
Subject: More Status Reports
References: <B8A5D584.B86B%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <3C812013.1070400@swbell.net>

Hi --

John Walton wrote:

> I'm watching. Don't currently have time to edit a FAQ, but can help out with
> techie stuff like HTMLing and FTPing if necessary.

Does this mean that the FAQs with "John Walton" out to the side are 
being thrown open to other FAQ writers?  <g>  I sort of assume "yes."

Here's what we have then --

Ron Weasley -- Barb will take over updating/maintaining
Ginny Weasley -- Catherine & Mary Ann should duke it out or collaborate
Sirius Black -- Dicentra has spoken loudly for this one!  <g>
The Trio -- Barb suggested this so "go for it!"

STILL OPEN AFAIK:

British Education System (was John)
Hogwarts -- update/maintain
Mysteries & Inconsistencies -- update/maintain
Predictions -- update/maintain
Clothing (was John)
Spells & Charms (Neil has some notes to pass on)
Animal Characters -- update/maintain
Dursley Family -- update/maintain
Harry Potter (Simon has a draft that can be picked up & continued)
Weasley Family -- update/maintain
Lord Voldemort -- update/maintain
Audio Versions (was John)
Fan Clubs
Fanfiction -- update/maintain
HP Humor
Movie

Ebony and Heidi have still not indicated if they are working on the ones 
originally assigned to them, so any of their FAQs may join the "Open & 
Available" list soon I suppose.  :--)

Thanks for joining up everyone -- I'm confident we can get this project 
moving along again.

FYI -- These will be renamed "Fantastic Posts & Where to Find Them" even 
though this doesn't shorten to a catchy acronym.  <g>

They are not intended to be limited to factual reporting but rather 
should summarize & set out all the various questions, theories & ideas 
relating to each topic that the group has discussed.  A newbie who 
wonders if we've ever noticed that Snape has vampire-like descriptions 
ought to be able to go to the Snape FAQ & find a section on this 
question & say "Ah, I see this isn't a *new* question after all ... but 
based on what's here, I think I've got a new angle that I can post 
about."  At least, this has always been my intent.

Techie things -- I'll have lots more thoughts but wondered if anyone has 
interest in being in charge of doing the coding to link cited messages 
directly to the messages ... on the existing FAQs that is.  Any techie 
volunteers?  Anyone...anyone?  :--)

Penny




From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Sat Mar  2 18:57:22 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:57:22 -0000
Subject: Magical Devices, Mysteries and Inconsistencies
In-Reply-To: <F265GZuNY1SWoBDyseV0001f7df@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5r7ai+shnn@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:


>I mean FPAWTFT 
> (pronounced phht, like the sound of a Skrewt's rear end).
> 

OK, something needs to be done about the new name.  It's supposed to 
be "FANtastic Posts And Where to find them," right?  So how 
about "FAN-PAWs", for short?  Or "FANPosts"?

OK, it's lame.  Tooley?

Cindy




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Mar  2 19:00:20 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:00:20 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Update
References: <a5r70b+r3dk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C812144.6050600@swbell.net>

Hi --

cindysphynx wrote:


> I'd love to work on Sirius.  It should be easy, since half of the
> posts about Sirius are from me.  :-)  Does anyone want to
> collaborate?  Aw, come on.  I'm not that bad.  Really, I'm
> not. ::bats eyelashes::

I suggest you & Dicey Elf collaborate on that one then.  You'll find 
that the other half of the Sirius posts are from me, Carole & Monika.  <g>

> 
> I'm also interested in the Mysteries FAQ if someone else has dibs on
> Sirius, but I wouldn't want to undertake both of these.

Ah, c'mon.  It just needs to be *updated* -- I did the hard stuff.  <vbg>

Penny





From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Mar  2 19:13:53 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:13:53 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
In-Reply-To: 105540
Message-ID: <16600678.595394746@imcingular.com>

No, don't assume. Am en route back from disney and have not had a chance to parse thru things yet. I am updating the fanfic one, btw, and will still do the Malfoy one but need to look over the others.

----Original Message----

From: Penny & Bryce <pennylin at swbell.net>
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
Real-To:  Penny & Bryce <pennylin at swbell.net>

Hi --

John Walton wrote:

> I'm watching. Don't currently have time to edit a FAQ, but can help out with
> techie stuff like HTMLing and FTPing if necessary.

Does this mean that the FAQs with "John Walton" out to the side are
being thrown open to other FAQ writers?  <g>  I sort of assume "yes."

Here's what we have then --

Ron Weasley -- Barb will take over updating/maintaining
Ginny Weasley -- Catherine & Mary Ann should duke it out or collaborate
Sirius Black -- Dicentra has spoken loudly for this one!  <g>
The Trio -- Barb suggested this so "go for it!"

STILL OPEN AFAIK:

British Education System (was John)
Hogwarts -- update/maintain
Mysteries & Inconsistencies -- update/maintain
Predictions -- update/maintain
Clothing (was John)
Spells & Charms (Neil has some notes to pass on)
Animal Characters -- update/maintain
Dursley Family -- update/maintain
Harry Potter (Simon has a draft that can be picked up & continued)
Weasley Family -- update/maintain
Lord Voldemort -- update/maintain
Audio Versions (was John)
Fan Clubs
Fanfiction -- update/maintain
HP Humor
Movie

Ebony and Heidi have still not indicated if they are working on the ones
originally assigned to them, so any of their FAQs may join the "Open &
Available" list soon I suppose.  :--)

Thanks for joining up everyone -- I'm confident we can get this project
moving along again.

FYI -- These will be renamed "Fantastic Posts & Where to Find Them" even
though this doesn't shorten to a catchy acronym.  <g>

They are not intended to be limited to factual reporting but rather
should summarize & set out all the various questions, theories & ideas
relating to each topic that the group has discussed.  A newbie who
wonders if we've ever noticed that Snape has vampire-like descriptions
ought to be able to go to the Snape FAQ & find a section on this
question & say "Ah, I see this isn't a *new* question after all ... but
based on what's here, I think I've got a new angle that I can post
about."  At least, this has always been my intent.

Techie things -- I'll have lots more thoughts but wondered if anyone has
interest in being in charge of doing the coding to link cited messages
directly to the messages ... on the existing FAQs that is.  Any techie
volunteers?  Anyone...anyone?  :--)

Penny



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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 19:28:05 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:28:05 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
References: <B8A5D584.B86B%john@walton.vu> <3C812013.1070400@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <002301c1c220$61234d10$0200a8c0@shasta>

Hi all!

I just wanted to confirm that I'd be delighted to take a crack at
mainting Penny's Religion FAQ.

I'd also be interested in doing anything I can to help with
Ebony's two headed beast: the Social Issues and Racial Diversity
FAQs. (I seem to recall that there's a close connection between
the two.) I must confess to doubting whether a straight, white,
male, married guy who draws his paycheck from a conservative
Christian denomination is ideal for these topics - but since they
flip my trigger, I'd love to help out.

About *small* technical issues, like upgrading links in extant
FAQs: once we all - or at least once all non-trogolodytes - have
access to the server, I'd be happy to. I would just drop a note
in the forum before going to work (to make sure no one duplicates
work), then drop another note when I'm done.

But this presupposes that someone like JenP (maybe with Joy's
collaboration?) gets our server situation sorted out. I assume
this will also involve a slight graphics overhaul.

BTW, I've talked to John about cobbling together a framed web to
mirror the simple, text-based HBF. Oughta make navigation easier.
With some luck, I'll have a trail version up by tomrrow
afternoon. Once it's done, it would be nice to integrate it into
the FAQ web.

In closing, a dumbledoric toast:

Fan Pa whet of it!

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
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From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Mar  2 19:37:01 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:37:01 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
In-Reply-To: 4e725d0a
Message-ID: <16600678.1923699515@imcingular.com>

Re: server issues - as penny knows, for the past 8 months, fictionalley has been hosting hpfgu.org.uk - and we'd love to keep doing so. John, Simon, Amber and I already have access to it and we'd be willing to give access to others as well.

Obviously, donations would be appreciated- more on that later, as penny and I have talked about it- as bandwith is a concern, but it's not very pricey, and we have a zippy dedicated server!



From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Sat Mar  2 19:37:41 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:37:41 -0000
Subject: Mysteries Update and General Questions
In-Reply-To: <3C812144.6050600@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a5r9m5+1g8s@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:

> I suggest you & Dicey Elf collaborate on that one then.  You'll 
find 
> that the other half of the Sirius posts are from me, Carole & 
Monika.  <g>
> 

Tell ya what.  How about if I take the Mysteries FAQ instead?  That 
will give Dicey Elf a clear field.  If I can move quickly on 
Mysteries, then I can help Dicey on Sirius?

Hmmm. I figured Mysteries would be a really big job, since many 
people love to discuss Mysteries.  Maybe it won't be so bad.  But 
there are probably a *lot* of Mysteries, so maybe there ought to be 
a three-person team dividing that one up.  Thoughts?  

Also, I had a few questions about how this is all to be done, and 
I'm wondering if the veteran FAQ-writers can help.  For instance:

1.  Should the FAQ be comprehensive?  In other words, are we looking 
for the best discussions of the character/issue/concept, or are we 
trying to list *every* discussion of the issue?  

2.  Is every post going to have a hyper-link, and if so, should we 
try to include a smaller number of post citations to avoid wearing 
out the techie types who will do this coding work?  Or should we 
indicate which posts are sufficiently awe-inspiring to be linked, 
where others would not be linked?

3.  Should the FAQs be balanced?  In other words, would the anti- 
and pro-vampire crowd gets about the same amount of discussion?  Or 
does the "majority" viewpoint on an issue get more air time?  Or do 
we not care about this?

4.  Should we focus on more recent posts?  In other words, if I have 
20 great Pettigrew's wand posts spread out over 2 years, should I be 
listing them all, or focusing on the more recent ones on the theory 
that older posts will soon be archived and inaccessible?

5.  Should we pay any attention to the author of the post?  In other 
words, should we try to cite a post *not* written by a Mod/Elf/Geist 
if it is equally good as one written by a Mod/Elf/Geist, to avoid 
having the FAQs look too "clubby"?  

Thoughts?

MakingThingsDifficult!Cindy  




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Mar  2 19:47:15 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (Rosemary)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:47:15 -0800
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Mysteries Update and General Questions
In-Reply-To: <a5r9m5+1g8s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8A66C43.A9F%foxmoth@qnet.com>

on 3/2/02 11:37 AM, cindysphynx at cynthiacoe at comcast.net wrote:

> Penny wrote:
> 
>> I suggest you & Dicey Elf collaborate on that one then.  You'll
> find 
>> that the other half of the Sirius posts are from me, Carole &
> Monika.  <g>
>> 
> 
> Tell ya what.  How about if I take the Mysteries FAQ instead?  That
> will give Dicey Elf a clear field.  If I can move quickly on
> Mysteries, then I can help Dicey on Sirius?
> 
> Hmmm. I figured Mysteries would be a really big job, since many
> people love to discuss Mysteries.  Maybe it won't be so bad.  But
> there are probably a *lot* of Mysteries, so maybe there ought to be
> a three-person team dividing that one up.  Thoughts?
> 
I thought Mysteries was already done and just needed update/maintenance. But
if you need help, I'll be glad to pitch in on it.
Pippin




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Mar  2 19:48:08 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (Rosemary)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:48:08 -0800
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: I'm here.
In-Reply-To: <F5kBpj4VsIrU7vcsX3u00012db6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8A66C78.AA0%foxmoth@qnet.com>

on 3/1/02 6:12 PM, Amy Z at aiz24 at hotmail.com wrote:

> Pippin wrote:
> 
>> Can't
>> research, alas, with my pitiful dial up connection it would take
>> forever.
>> 
> 
> Paul put the archives into zipped files; if you can manage to download and
> unzip them, then you've got massive piles of archived posts on your hard
> drive and no need to be online.
> 
> Amy
> 
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Where are the zip files?

Pippin




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 20:18:33 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:18:33 +0100
Subject: Message Archives, Server Space
References: <B8A66C78.AA0%foxmoth@qnet.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c1c227$6e4a7110$0200a8c0@shasta>

Pippin wondered,

> Where are the zip files?

Oooo. We've an enfant terrible in our midst! Here's the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/files/. Paul
has stashed the goods into handy 1000 message zip files - which
means you get to download 31 of them before you've got all the
booty. They're not gorgeous but they're about a million times
faster than the archives.

(About using them: if you're running Windows 2000 or above you
can download them into a single directory, unzip, have windows
compress the directory, turn on indexing for that directory and
search to your heart's content - directly from Windows Explorer.
It goes lickety split. Otherwise, I think you'll need to splice
the files together.)

Heidi wrote,

> Re: server issues - as penny knows, for the past 8 months,
> fictionalley has been hosting hpfgu.org.uk - and we'd love
> to keep doing so. John, Simon, Amber and I already have
> access to it and we'd be willing to give access to others as
> well.

Hot stuff!

> Obviously, donations would be appreciated- more on that
> later, as penny and I have talked about it- as bandwith is a
> concern, but it's not very pricey, and we have a zippy
> dedicated server!

Do you have a PayPal donation box?

BTW, Since we're right at the outer edge of our file space, and
since the folks running Yahoo seem to be in a particularly
pecuniary mood, we might want to park this stuff on the new
server.

Fan Pa whet of it!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who swears on his sainted
mother's grave that he'll never again write troglodyte with his
spell checker off. Of course, his mother is still alive ... )
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From simon.hp at virgin.net  Sat Mar  2 22:02:08 2002
From: simon.hp at virgin.net (sjbranford)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:02:08 -0000
Subject: Message Archives, Server Space
In-Reply-To: <005c01c1c227$6e4a7110$0200a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <a5ri50+nj2f@eGroups.com>

The Goat typed:
> Heidi wrote,
> > Obviously, donations would be appreciated- more on that
> > later, as penny and I have talked about it- as bandwith is a
> > concern, but it's not very pricey, and we have a zippy
> > dedicated server!
> 
> Do you have a PayPal donation box?

Yes we do - http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P1RX38XFDF1FLO 




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Sat Mar  2 22:19:29 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (Rosemary)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:19:29 -0800
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Archives, Server Space
In-Reply-To: <005c01c1c227$6e4a7110$0200a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <B8A68FF0.AA5%foxmoth@qnet.com>

on 3/2/02 12:18 PM, Aberforth's Goat at Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com wrote:

> Pippin wondered,
> 
>> Where are the zip files?
> 
> Oooo. We've an enfant terrible in our midst! Here's the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/files/. Paul
> has stashed the goods into handy 1000 message zip files - which
> means you get to download 31 of them before you've got all the
> booty. They're not gorgeous but they're about a million times
> faster than the archives.
> 
> (About using them: if you're running Windows 2000 or above you
> can download them into a single directory, unzip, have windows
> compress the directory, turn on indexing for that directory and
> search to your heart's content - directly from Windows Explorer.
> It goes lickety split. Otherwise, I think you'll need to splice
> the files together.)
> 

Er...Anyone know if there a Mac equivalent for this nifty search shortcut? I
suppose I should wait for John to get back, but I thought I'd ask.

Pippin





From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Mar  2 22:21:40 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:21:40 -0000
Subject: Message Archives, Server Space
In-Reply-To: <a5ri50+nj2f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5rj9k+1nsn@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "sjbranford" <simon.hp at v...> wrote:
> The Goat typed:
> > Heidi wrote,
> > > Obviously, donations would be appreciated- more on that
> > > later, as penny and I have talked about it- as bandwith is a
> > > concern, but it's not very pricey, and we have a zippy
> > > dedicated server!
> > 
> > Do you have a PayPal donation box?
> 
> Yes we do - http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P1RX38XFDF1FLO

In the interest of full disclosure:
1. This is the amazon box for FictionAlley. John paid for the 
registration, and I've been paying for the hosting fees - which, to 
date, have been very very small, as there hasn't been much traffic. 

2. I expect that the traffic will jump up when there are a number of 
faqs there, as well as various files from our groups' files sections.
 
3. It only costs us $3/ gig of bandwith, and we have a 20GB hard 
drive (http://www.sectorlink.com/Server_Co-
Location/Dedicated_Server/dedicated_server.asp) so we do have space 
for the files (although I would ask that any graphics be hosted 
elsewhere - many of you probably have a few MB of webspace from your 
email hosts, and the graphics should go on one - or more - of those). 
However, the bandwith costs will only go up, and we can keep  you 
guys posted as to how they're doing - and possibly even which pages 
are being most often viewed. And Paul will tell me if I'm wrong, but 
it may be possible to learn who has viewed the files, before people 
are de-modded, just as a catch-all.

4. We won't, however, be able to demarcate in any given month how 
much HP4GU will cost, as separated from FictionAlley's costs, just by 
the way the server is organized. So anyone donating to the Amazon 
account should know that they're donating to *both* FA and Hp4GU when 
they make a donation. 

Of course, any money is appreciated! And the co-hosting plan doesn't 
create any affirmative relationship between FA & HP4GU, other than us 
being your ISP.

heidi, on behalf of....well, I guess...everyone




From selah_1977 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 22:26:29 2002
From: selah_1977 at yahoo.com (selah_1977)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:26:29 -0000
Subject: Saying hello... and goodbye
Message-ID: <a5rjil+kfn7@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone--

I didn't know this discussion had been going on until today! 

After giving it some thought, I've come to a decision.  For the time 
being, I'm going to have to bow out of the FAQ group.  I'll also 
unsub myself from the HP4GU-Mod list, as I have no other reason to be 
there.

No man can serve two masters.  Right now, almost all of my energy is 
devoted to the fanfiction side of the fandom.  I need to be a better 
FictionAlley Mod, I need to post chapters more than once every two 
months, I need to do a lot of things I'm trying to find time to do.  
I don't have a RL job where I can do anything fandom-wise during the 
day either... and I'm in graduate school full time.  That means that 
through the week, I'm online 2-3 hours a night max, and a good chunk 
of that time is spent reading e-mail and doing stuff for teaching and 
grad school.  (Yes, most of the time if you IM me I am checking 
papers... and chat is a regular checking/lesson planning time!  ;-))

What I am finding is that if I am not teaching or attending class, I 
am online... and that is unhealthy.  I'm really trying to heed my 
family's worries about me and limit my computer time... learn how to 
say "sorry, but I can't."  I'm a workhorse in RL and a Hermione in 
grad school... so when I do come online, I really need it to be as 
pressure-free as possible.

Fanfiction is how I entered the HP4GU realm, and after all is said 
and done, it's my first love.  The novel-length fanfiction I'm 
currently working on is extremely involved.  I'll be done with it 
sometime this year, but I'm determined to see it through.

I'll still be working on the non-fanfiction side of the fandom, 
primarily with the HP4GU regional groups.  We are arranging a major 
first HP4GU-GreatLakes meet in a few months (with people coming from 
as far away as Australia).  I need to be available for Sheryll, esp. 
as the convention date draws closer.  And I'm also encouraging the 
many, many Brazilian HP fans that I'm meeting to consider forming a 
regional group there.

I think that both of my FAQs *could* be covered, but I'm almost 
certain that they're already included in other facts.  "Social 
Issues" is covered in "The Wizarding World", I think.  And I've been 
blocked on the racial diversity FAQ for going on a second year 
because I've realized that I'm far too close to the issue to debate 
it objectively.  

I love all of you dearly, and will continue to lurk at the HP4GU list 
forever.  Or, at least for the foreseeable future.  :)

(((((((hugs)))))))

--Ebony AKA AngieJ




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Mar  2 22:47:42 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:47:42 -0500
Subject: I am doublesubscribed
In-Reply-To: 157e
Message-ID: <16600678.1707040063@imcingular.com>

Can someone delete my upenn.edu address?



From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 22:47:59 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:47:59 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Archives
References: <B8A68FF0.AA5%foxmoth@qnet.com>
Message-ID: <009801c1c23c$4e1638b0$0200a8c0@shasta>

Pippin,

> Er...Anyone know if there a Mac equivalent for this nifty
search shortcut? I
> suppose I should wait for John to get back, but I thought I'd
ask.

Actually, I've just noticed that I can't make it work the way (I
think!) it used to, either. It will tell me which files contain
any given word, but it won't jump to the passage in question.
Bother.

But once you've unzipped all 31 files, you can just open them one
by one and run normal searches with your word processor. (I
assume you have whatever it takes to open zip files on a mac - I
think it's called Stuffit.)

Since each text file contains 1000 messages, you should have
plenty of material to chew on. Even less common words like
"gender" or "genre" crop up in almost every single message pack.

Baaaaaa!

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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  2 23:16:16 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:16:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
In-Reply-To: <3C812013.1070400@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20020302231616.56515.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Penny & Bryce <pennylin at swbell.net> wrote:
> STILL OPEN AFAIK:
> 
> British Education System (was John)
> Hogwarts -- update/maintain
> Mysteries & Inconsistencies -- update/maintain
> Predictions -- update/maintain
> Clothing (was John)
> Spells & Charms (Neil has some notes to pass on)
> Animal Characters -- update/maintain
> Dursley Family -- update/maintain
> Harry Potter (Simon has a draft that can be picked
> up & continued)
> Weasley Family -- update/maintain
> Lord Voldemort -- update/maintain
> Audio Versions (was John)
> Fan Clubs
> Fanfiction -- update/maintain
> HP Humor
> Movie
> 
I'll volunteer to take on Clothing, Spells and Charms
and Audio Versions. These should be relatively easily
taken care of and can be out of the way before the
major work on the conference has to done.

Sheryll

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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Mar  3 00:17:53 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:17:53 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Update
In-Reply-To: 5
Message-ID: <16600678.223060930@imcingular.com>

Here's my info:
1 I did the james and lily faq but haven't updated it. I can if nobody else wants to - and I expect after book V, it will require a full rewrite.
2. I have updated the fanfic one extensively, but as few listies plug fanfic on the groups anymore, maybe asking group members to email the updater if they want to be included, and to let the updater also have free reign to include things is the best of both worlds.
3. I will do the Malfoys and now that I have the archives on my laptop it shouldn't be too difficult. All I have to say is "he's redeemable and his dad's not!" Riht?
4. I would love to hand off names and creatures but if nobody wants them I will do them. Although iirc there was discussion of abandoning the creatures one after FB was released...but it should probably still be done, I guess.

Heidi Tandy
Follow me to FictionAlley - Harry Potter fanfics of all shapes, sizes and ships - 7 sickles an ounce
http://www.FictionAlley.org



From pbnesbit at msn.com  Sun Mar  3 02:13:24 2002
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (harpdreamer)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 02:13:24 -0000
Subject: I'm here too
Message-ID: <a5s0s4+ph1m@eGroups.com>

Hi, all, 

I feel honoured to be part of such an august group!  I can do 
research for anyone who needs it.  Any subject is fine.  I'd be happy 
to collaborate with anyone on pretty much anything.  

Since I've got no html knowledge, I'd best keep away from *anything* 
on the technical side.  If, on the other hand, anyone ever needs a 
loom threaded or a musical instrument strung and tuned, I'm your 
woman ;-)

Peace & Plenty, 

Parker 




From joyw at gwu.edu  Sun Mar  3 03:41:53 2002
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:41:53 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Status Reports
References: <B8A5D584.B86B%john@walton.vu> <3C812013.1070400@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <00d701c1c265$5c2b1fa0$7c44a480@cp124541b>

Penny wrote:
> Techie things -- I'll have lots more thoughts but wondered if anyone has
> interest in being in charge of doing the coding to link cited messages
> directly to the messages ... on the existing FAQs that is.  Any techie
> volunteers?  Anyone...anyone?  :--)

Oooh, pick me, pick me! <cackles> I can do it, no problem.  Any excuse not
to study for my calc midterm works for me.  Should I wait until the FAQs are
updated, or start working on what we have?  Or are we waiting until we have
the site layout done to code the text?

~Joy~




From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  3 04:38:07 2002
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 04:38:07 -0000
Subject: More Status Reports
In-Reply-To: <3C812013.1070400@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a5s9bf+pbc4@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> > I'm watching. Don't currently have time to edit a FAQ, but can 
> > help out with techie stuff like HTMLing and FTPing if necessary.

If there's a list of folks with the label "willing to code" slapped 
on their foreheads, you can count me among them, regardless of 
whether I'm writing the file in question.  Also available to 
edit/beta.
 
> Ron Weasley -- Barb will take over updating/maintaining
> The Trio -- Barb suggested this so "go for it!"

My assignment, should I choose to accept it...<g>  Okay, I know what 
I have to do.  (And luckily, this email won't self-destruct in 
thirty seconds.  Right?  Right?)

> Animal Characters -- update/maintain

This seems pretty simple and straightforward.  I suppose this should 
also include the speculation about Crookshanks being an Animagus?  I 
could take this if no one wants it.

> HP Humor

Although I love the humor in the HP books, I'm not sure whether I 
feel qualified for this one.  I was terribly impressed, however, by 
Gwen's erudite dissection of the types of humor in HP (on the main 
list recently).  That was definitely a "fantastic post."  (Take a 
bow, Gwen.)  However, if Gwen wanted to do this, but needed 
assistance with editing/coding, I'd be willing to work with.

> Harry Potter

I can do this also, since there will probably be a good deal of 
overlap with the Trio file, and it sounds like Simon's done a lot 
already.

--Barb
  




From tabouli at unite.com.au  Sun Mar  3 08:49:24 2002
From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:49:24 +1100
Subject: FPaWtFT acronyms, FAQ file updating
References: <a5r7ai+shnn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00f801c1c290$6dc6aa60$8533c2cb@price>

> OK, something needs to be done about the new name.  It's supposed to
> be "FANtastic Posts And Where to find them," right?  So how
> about "FAN-PAWs", for short?  Or "FANPosts"?
>
> OK, it's lame.  Tooley?

[Tooly reaches into her toolbox for her A.G.E.D. (Acronym Generating Elf
Device)]

So, uh, what exactly is this file, again?  Literally a collection of notable
posts, or a sort of FAQ/essay file??

Hmmm... my AGED toyed with something like:

E.S.P.I.O.N.A.G.E. (Excellent Source Providing Information On Nagging And
General Enquiries),

...but then thought it would be more amusing if we could ask Gleaming
newbies to go dig in the:

Q.U.A.R.R.Y. (Questions Ubiquitous And Regularly Recycled Yarns).

Then again, if it really is a collection of actual posts, perhaps they
should go to the:

E.P.I.C.E.N.T.E.R. (Excellent Posts Incorporating Countless Expository
Narratives To Excite Readers)

Note American spelling... Australians have been lynched for less!  (I
suppose I could amend the last three letters to "Teaching Resource
Extraordinaire" or something)

Any thoughts?

As for the FAQ updating, given my regular cross-cultural ranting, perilous
tho' they can be (!), I'm happy to collaborate with the Goat on the ethnic
diversity file, in the interests of encouraging cross-species understanding
as well as cross-cultural understanding.

BTW, what does maintaining a FAQ file involve, and where do I currently find
them?  (sorry if it's really obvious on the site: I'm writing this off-line
and haven't checked yet).  I'm presuming fielding ubiquitous questions
(Cho's name, Dean's newly black-trumpeted entrance in the US edition, etc.)
and directing people to the file... is there anything else?  Do I scan my
digests for stuff to add?

Cindy:
> I'd love to work on Sirius.  It should be easy, since half of the
posts about Sirius are from me.  :-)  Does anyone want to
collaborate?  Aw, come on.  I'm not that bad.  Really, I'm
not. ::bats eyelashes::<

(Tabouli studies the bloodthirsty, blinking Cindy warily.  Clutching a
featherboa protectively to her chest, she raises a timid hand...)

In honour of FLIRTIAC, I'll also consider taking up the Animal Characters,
though I suspect I should find out more about what's involved before
volunteering too flagrantly... (mental note to inner poet: Hmm, rhymes with
fragrantly!)

Parker:
> If, on the other hand, anyone ever needs a
loom threaded or a musical instrument strung and tuned, I'm your
woman ;-)<

Gadzooks!  Do we have yet another SCA member in our midst?

Tabouli.







From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  3 10:16:24 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 05:16:24 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FPaWtFT acronyms, FAQ file updating
Message-ID: <F22458tP9DLf4bg5Xml00000753@hotmail.com>

Tooly Elf asked:

>So, uh, what exactly is this file, again?  Literally a collection of 
>notable
>posts, or a sort of FAQ/essay file??

I defer to Penny, the originator, so Penny, correct me if I'm off base.  In 
my understanding, most of them are essays compiling what has been asked, 
answered, theorized, unfoundedly speculated, etc. about various topics.  
(Some exceptions are fanfiction, JKR, and a few others that are more like 
compilations of general info, not particularly referencing the list.)  Using 
our esteemed predecessors as a guide, I'm writing mine as a series of 
questions and topics with quotes/references/links to relevant posts.  The 
result is an essay whose cited text is the collected wisdom of HPfGU.  E.g.:

**********************************************************************
Name

As many HPfGU members have pointed out, if one is already saddled with the 
name "Lupin," the least one can do is not name one's child "Remus" unless 
one means to tape a sign on his back, "Werewolf Bait."  "Lupine" means 
having to do with wolves (canis lupus), and Remus, along with his twin 
brother Romulus, was suckled by wolves, according to Roman mythology.  If, 
as with names such as Phyllida Spore and Arsenius Jigger, people in the 
Potterverse suffer from "nominative determinism," perhaps Lupin was destined 
for werewolfhood A6599.


Some fanfiction has run with the Romulus and Remus idea, inventing a twin 
for Remus.  HPfGU list members have also noted that this would be in keeping 
with JKR's liking for hinting  with names A6599.   The mythical Remus was 
also killed by Romulus in a dispute over the founding of Rome, so that if 
"nominative determinism" is at work, Lupin's parents were extraordinarily 
reckless in the naming of their children; as Catlady Rita said, "why not 
just name them Abel and Cain and get it over with?" A6608.
**********************************************************************

A6608=Archives message #6608, and appears in the FPAWTFT as a link.

>E.P.I.C.E.N.T.E.R. (Excellent Posts Incorporating Countless Expository
>Narratives To Excite Readers)
>
>Note American spelling... Australians have been lynched for less!

...Narrative Toward Reader Excitation?

Actually, not to deprive Tooly Elf of her reason for living, but I think 
this is one item that doesn't need an acronym.  <gasps of shock and outrage 
echo around the room>  Cindy came up with a great title and it has an 
obvious nickname:  "Fantastic Posts."

BTW, I am not limiting myself to fantastic posts.  Anything that illuminates 
an HP question is good enough.

>Parker:
> > If, on the other hand, anyone ever needs a
>loom threaded or a musical instrument strung and tuned, I'm your
>woman ;-)<

Tabouli:

>Gadzooks!  Do we have yet another SCA member in our midst?

Lucky Parker has actually found a way to make a living being Creatively 
Anachronistic.

Amy

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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Mar  3 11:54:53 2002
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:54:53 -0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FPaWtFT acronyms, FAQ file updating
References: <F22458tP9DLf4bg5Xml00000753@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c1c2aa$5a9c34e0$463570c2@c5s910j>

Tooly Elf asked:
>
> >So, uh, what exactly is this file, again?  Literally a collection of
> >notable
> >posts, or a sort of FAQ/essay file??
>
> I defer to Penny, the originator, so Penny, correct me if I'm off base.
In
> my understanding, most of them are essays compiling what has been asked,
> answered, theorized, unfoundedly speculated, etc. about various topics.

That's correct (says Neil, polyjuiced-up to look like Penny).  In addition
to the 50 or so essays, there is also the overarching "VFAQ" for VERY
frequently asked questions, which is in the process of being updated (there
is an ongoing database on the Mods' list for entering suggested additions
and edits to that).  Some of the VFAQ content is now in the Humongous
Bigfile (or ~cough~ Humungous, since David recently confirmed that's JKR's
preferred spelling), so it will end up relating to the books and films only
and not to the club and fandom.

Neil







From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Mar  3 16:58:44 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:58:44 -0600
Subject: Various Replies
References: <a5r9m5+1g8s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C825644.6080204@swbell.net>

Hi all --

Heidi -- I can't delete the upenn address for some reason.  There's no 
"remove" box to check next to that one -- only N/A.

Cindy agreed to take Mysteries & help later on Sirius if needed:

> 
> Hmmm. I figured Mysteries would be a really big job, since many
> people love to discuss Mysteries.  Maybe it won't be so bad.  But
> there are probably a *lot* of Mysteries, so maybe there ought to be
> a three-person team dividing that one up.  Thoughts? 

I think that would be advisable -- not necessarily for writing the FAQ 
but for researching the mysteries & inconsistencies to include.  I found 
it very hard to research mysteries because .... what precisely to you 
enter into the search engine to pick up on these threads?  I do have a 
list of posts that I was keeping from April - early August on the 
Mysteries FAQ; at that time, I believe I relinquished control of that 
one to Joywitch (who may or may not have anything from early August to 
date to help you out).

Let me back up for all the new FAQ'ers with a bit of history.  When we 
switched over to egroups in Aug 2000, a group of us decided that we had 
7500 messages & even with the new egroups search facility (which hadn't 
existed *at all* in the Yahoo Club era), people still couldn't find old 
discussions too easily.  We decided to do essays summarizing the basic 
facts & all the theories, questions, commentary, etc. relating to a 
given topic.  We generated a topics list & then formed a group of people 
to go through groups of messages (300 messages per group), entering the 
message #s of interest into a database next to each topic to which the 
post related (did that make sense).  So, for the first 7500 messages, 
there is a database in this group that has "Snape: message #s 3, 5, 11, 
23, 55, 56, 57, 58 and so on."  Starting with message #1 on egroups (now 
our current Yahoogroups), we were supposed to just start keeping track 
of messages relating to FAQs we were working on.  My method currently is 
to move a message of interest to one of my FAQs into a sub-folder of my 
inbox.


> 1.  Should the FAQ be comprehensive?  In other words, are we looking
> for the best discussions of the character/issue/concept, or are we
> trying to list *every* discussion of the issue?

I think that's a bit subjective.  On one hand, we don't want these 
things to just be a string of summarized messages; we want there to be 
some degree of selectivity so that we have a reasonable-sized essay that 
flows & hangs together internally.  But, on the other hand, you do have 
to try & at least mention *all* the theories, at least in passing, to be 
fair to all the people who've posted their thoughts.  As far as message 
#s go though, I think it makes sense to include the most comprehensive 
well-written posts (though that's a subjective judgment of course).  I 
think this is esp. true if we're going to have coders linking directly 
to the messages -- you don't want to have too much work for the techies. 
  In that vein, I'll have to trim out some of my message citations 
probably, esp. in the Romance Pairings where I tended to just list out 
most all messages that had much of anything to say.

Speaking of which, in terms of formatting -- my Hermione FAQ has 
footnotes where the message(s) cited relate directly to the proposition 
footnoted.  In contrast, I found with the Romance Pairings FAQ that 
virtually every message relates to more than one proposition, so I just 
lumped all the messages of interest at the end of the FAQ in 
chronological order.  So, in other words, if you're looking for 
H/H-centric posts, you can't tell which ones fit that bill from the way 
I've done that one.  Most times, the R/H-centric posts tend to be 
anti-H/H &/or pro-H/G, so it became confusing to figure out where to 
place them.  So, I think the FAQ can determine the citation style used.

 
> 
> 2.  Is every post going to have a hyper-link, and if so, should we
> try to include a smaller number of post citations to avoid wearing
> out the techie types who will do this coding work?  Or should we
> indicate which posts are sufficiently awe-inspiring to be linked,
> where others would not be linked?

I like the latter actually -- that way if someone wanted to see 
*everything* they could do so, they'd just have to work harder.

> 
> 3.  Should the FAQs be balanced?  In other words, would the anti-
> and pro-vampire crowd gets about the same amount of discussion?  Or
> does the "majority" viewpoint on an issue get more air time?  Or do
> we not care about this?

Ooh, I definitely think you have to give equal air-time to both sides of 
any issue with clearly-defined camps of thought.  I figured I'd be 
roasted over an open flame if I didn't include plenty of pro-R/H, 
pro-H/G, etc. discussion in the Romance FAQ.  <g>  As is, I do still get 
an occasional off-list complaint.

> 
> 4.  Should we focus on more recent posts?  In other words, if I have
> 20 great Pettigrew's wand posts spread out over 2 years, should I be
> listing them all, or focusing on the more recent ones on the theory
> that older posts will soon be archived and inaccessible?

The older posts won't be inaccessible -- they'll just be in separate 
Archive groups.  I don't think we should leave out the older ones just 
based on age.

> 5.  Should we pay any attention to the author of the post?  In other
> words, should we try to cite a post *not* written by a Mod/Elf/Geist
> if it is equally good as one written by a Mod/Elf/Geist, to avoid
> having the FAQs look too "clubby"? 

If they are both equally good posts, I'd use them both.  But, yes, I 
don't think we want the FAQs to look "clubby" at all.

I'll create a database later that lists out who has agreed to what & 
includes people who've offered to help in general or with techie things 
specifically.

Penny




From simon.hp at virgin.net  Sun Mar  3 22:46:49 2002
From: simon.hp at virgin.net (sjbranford)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:46:49 -0000
Subject: Various Replies
In-Reply-To: <3C825644.6080204@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a5u94p+t9ir@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> Hi all --
> 
> Heidi -- I can't delete the upenn address for some reason.  There's 
> no "remove" box to check next to that one -- only N/A.

That e-mail address is setup as a mod for this group and cannot be 
removed without first removing the mod status. However, due to 
lazyness, I have set it to no e-mail, which should be sufficient :)


Simon 





From bonnie at niche-associates.com  Mon Mar  4 15:13:26 2002
From: bonnie at niche-associates.com (dicentra_spectabilis_alba)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:13:26 -0000
Subject: random suggestions
Message-ID: <a602um+po5m@eGroups.com>

Would it be at all helpful to organize the FAQs (some of them, at
least) into two categories: What We Know and What We Want to Know. As
spearheader of the Sirius FAQ, that would mean in the first part I'd
list what canon says about him (he was in Azkaban for 12 years, he was
James's best friend), and in the second I'd tackle questions such as
"Where is his motorcycle? Why didn't they just do priori incantatem on
his wand? etc." I'd use posts from the list for the latter section.

Also, is there a FAQ for minor characters? There could be a list of
the other Hogwarts students and what we know of them (however little
it may be) and another about characters such as Mundungus Fletcher and
Avery. [I'M NOT VOLUNTEERING!!!]

--Dicentra, who is already compiling stuff on the What We Know list




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Mar  4 15:24:40 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (Rosemary)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:24:40 -0800
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] random suggestions
In-Reply-To: <a602um+po5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8A8D1B8.AD1%foxmoth@qnet.com>

on 3/4/02 7:13 AM, dicentra_spectabilis_alba at bonnie at niche-associates.com
wrote:

> Would it be at all helpful to organize the FAQs (some of them, at
> least) into two categories: What We Know and What We Want to Know.

Isn't "What We Want to Know"  the Mysteries and Inconsistencies FAQ?

Pippin
tackling this with Cindy




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Mon Mar  4 18:07:54 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:07:54 +0100
Subject: HBF Mirror Site - please test
References: <B8A8D1B8.AD1%foxmoth@qnet.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c1c3a7$82c72ad0$0200a8c0@shasta>

Done quickly anyway. I don't actually think it's clever enough to
be dirty ...

I'm running late and have no time even to double check whether
the thing even works - but I *have* put together a framed mirror
site for our HBF. The colors are definitely tacky.

Once this is usable, would it be possible to store it on the FA
server? If so, I would glady do so - and the framed mirror would
be public domain from that point on.

BTW, a the moment, you need to enter through the index to keep
the links from registering dead. Also note: I've made no textual
changes whatsoever - except for making all headings bold.

http://www.geocities.com/mikesusangray/

Baaaaaa!

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  5 12:50:39 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:50:39 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] random suggestions
Message-ID: <F39kigUnuT2bffNqn120001e055@hotmail.com>

Dicentra wrote:

> > Would it be at all helpful to organize the FAQs (some of them, at
> > least) into two categories: What We Know and What We Want to Know.

Pippin wrote:

>Isn't "What We Want to Know"  the Mysteries and Inconsistencies FAQ?

Yes, but there are questions/mysteries about every character.  Some clearly 
belong under the character ("Why isn't Hermione in Ravenclaw?") while others 
are easier to shunt over to you and Cindy <g>.

How much *do* we want to standardize these things?  I say "very 
little"--it's tough enough as it is.  Dicey's suggestion is a helpful one, 
though.

Amy

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Mar  4 17:55:01 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:55:01 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] random suggestions
References: <B8A8D1B8.AD1%foxmoth@qnet.com>
Message-ID: <3C83B4F5.8070904@swbell.net>

Hi all --

Dicey asked:


>  > Would it be at all helpful to organize the FAQs (some of them, at
>  > least) into two categories: What We Know and What We Want to Know.

Pippin replied:

> 
> Isn't "What We Want to Know"  the Mysteries and Inconsistencies FAQ?

To answer Pippin's question, no I don't think so.  At least not the way 
I initially laid out the M&I FAQ.  This doesn't mean that the format of 
the current M&I FAQ must remain the same ... but that isn't really what 
it is right now.  Right now, it mentions all the flints, questions, plot 
holes & inconsistencies.  It discusses the theories we've come up with 
to explain each of these mysteries or inconsistencies.  It's set up by 
book & then mysteries/inconsistencies within the overall series.  In 
many cases, there's nothing more than a question (although I note that 
some of the questions that have no commentary below have been discussed 
since I wrote this FAQ over a year ago).

I think as far as the Sirius FAQ or other character FAQs, it can be 
divided up as Dicey suggests.  You might want to take a look at how I 
did the Hermione FAQ though -- I footnoted known canon facts about 
Hermione's appearance, background, family, etc. with references to the 
books.  Everything else is footnoted to specific messages.

I don't know that we need to follow a template necessarily because each 
topic will suggest it's own organization or that was my experience with 
the ones I wrote.

Penny




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Tue Mar  5 15:20:57 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 5 Mar 2002 15:20:57 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
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From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 19:18:26 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:18:26 -0000
Subject: The Mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <a635m2+18eh@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.

This is intended to duplicate a message that disappeared.  Apologies 
if it pops back up.

First, I've revised the Mysteries FAQ and uploaded a word version in 
the Files section.  Basically, I tried to re-arrange things in 
categories resembling those in the Lexicon.  I've added a few new 
mysteries as well, which are in brackets.  They are about magical 
medicine (Moody's leg and eye, Harry's glasses, Riddle's mother 
dying in childbirth), Hollydaze's POA Shrieking Shack Timeline, more 
on boggarts, Summoning Charms, and Dark Marks on DEs arms.

If anyone can think of any new mysteries, um, can you post them 
here, because I, um, still can't receive e-mail reliably.

As for Dicentra's suggestion, I'm pretty flexible about where things 
should go.  If anyone sees something in the Mysteries FAQ that they 
would prefer to discuss under their character, feel free to do so.  
Just let me know how you want to proceed.

Pippin, you should have received a version by e-mail.  Reply here if 
you didn't get it and I'll re-send.

Cindy 




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Mar  5 18:02:03 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:02:03 -0000
Subject: Mysteries Re: Various Replies
In-Reply-To: <3C825644.6080204@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a6316r+r76a@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> Cindy agreed to take Mysteries & help later on Sirius if needed:
> 
> > 
> > Hmmm. I figured Mysteries would be a really big job, since 
many
> > people love to discuss Mysteries.  Maybe it won't be so bad.  
But
> > there are probably a *lot* of Mysteries, so maybe there ought 
to be
> > a three-person team dividing that one up.  Thoughts? 
> 
> I think that would be advisable -- not necessarily for writing the 
FAQ 
> but for researching the mysteries & inconsistencies to include.  
I found 
> it very hard to research mysteries because .... what precisely to 
you 
> enter into the search engine to pick up on these threads?  I do 
have a 
> list of posts that I was keeping from April - early August on the 
> Mysteries FAQ; at that time, I believe I relinquished control of 
that 
> one to Joywitch (who may or may not have anything from early 
August to 
> date to help you out).
>

I'm helping Cindy with the mysteries FAQ. Penny, would you post 
your list of posts in the files here since Cindy's email is flaky? 

Pippin




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Mar  5 15:36:44 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (plinsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:36:44 -0000
Subject: random suggestions
In-Reply-To: <F39kigUnuT2bffNqn120001e055@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a62omc+543c@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone --

I'll be posting from webview all week, btw, as I'm visiting my 
parents (who also have a slooooow dial-up connection).  <g>

I also note that I responded to this yesterday but the message 
appears to have been lost while Yahoogroups performed "maintenance" 
work yesterday.  Grrr.....

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Dicentra wrote:
> 
> > > Would it be at all helpful to organize the FAQs (some of them, 
at
> > > least) into two categories: What We Know and What We Want to 
Know.
> 
> Pippin wrote:
> 
> >Isn't "What We Want to Know"  the Mysteries and Inconsistencies 
FAQ?

Amy responded:
> 
> Yes, but there are questions/mysteries about every character.  Some 
clearly belong under the character ("Why isn't Hermione in 
Ravenclaw?") while others are easier to shunt over to you and Cindy 
<g>.

Yes, I agree with Amy here.  Take a look at the M&I FAQ -- there are 
tons of cross-references in it & can probably be even more once the 
other FAQs are completed.  I see M&I being more along the lines 
of "The Missing 24 hours," "The Wand Order," "Does Lupin see 2 Harrys 
& 2 Hermiones on the Marauder's Map?" etc.  

As for the character sketches, yes I think we do need to distinguish 
between what's known (through canon and/or JKR chat responses) and 
what's debated & speculative.  I footnoted factual propositions to 
canon & chats when I did the Hermione FAQ.  I put most of the factual 
stuff (maybe all of it actually) for Hermione near the beginning of 
the FAQ.  I did a section on "Background" & then started going into 
various questions relating to Hermione. 

Amy asked: 
> 
> How much *do* we want to standardize these things?  I say "very 
> little"--it's tough enough as it is.  Dicey's suggestion is a 
helpful one, though.

I agree that not much standardization is needed.  Each topic presents 
its own organization in my mind.  Even the character sketches 
probably couldn't necessarily follow any sort of strict template, 
though I do tend to think it's useful to put known factual info near 
the beginning & then start addressing questions in subsequent 
sections.  That worked for Hermione anyway.  Bottom line though is 
that the FAQ writer(s) should use whatever format makes the most 
sense to them.  <g>

Flexible!Penny






From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Tue Mar  5 15:14:43 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:14:43 -0000
Subject: The Mysteries FP (WAS random suggestions)
In-Reply-To: <B8A8D1B8.AD1%foxmoth@qnet.com>
Message-ID: <a62nd3+aefb@eGroups.com>

Pippin wrote:

> Isn't "What We Want to Know"  the Mysteries and Inconsistencies 
FAQ?
> 
> Pippin
> tackling this with Cindy

I assume there will be some overlap and some cross-referencing 
between the Mysteries FPs ("Fantastic Posts") and the Character 
FPs.  For instance, I know there is a section in the FPs about 
Sirius' motorbike, but not his wand.  I'm not sure what we should do 
about this, though.  In other words, on the question of why no one 
did Priori Incantatem on Sirius' wand, is the best place for that 
the Mysteries FP or the Sirius FP?  The Mysteries FP is already huge 
(having about 100 questions), so maybe we should lean toward 
addressing such things in the Character FP?

I have re-arranged the Mysteries FP and will post it in the files 
section here soon (today?).  It will just be a FYI at this point, 
because we haven't started updating it yet.  

If anyone can think of any Mysteries that are not in the current 
version, can you post them here?  I'd take suggestions via e-mail 
but . . . well, let's just say that my e-mail is, um, . . . let's 
not get into it.

I've already added a bit on Medical Mysteries to address why Moody 
can't get a new leg, Harry can't get his eyes fixed, and Riddle's 
mom died in childbirth.  I've also added more on Boggarts, Summoning 
Charms, and Hollydaze's PoA Shrieking Shack Timeline.

Any other ideas?

Cindy 




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  6 00:12:53 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:12:53 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] The Mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <F104hjYPsWbOQmt1pPJ000107dc@hotmail.com>

The Sphynx wrote:

>If anyone can think of any new mysteries, um, can you post them
>here, because I, um, still can't receive e-mail reliably.

"Why doesn't Lupin transform until the moonlight strikes him?"

Amy

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Wed Mar  6 02:58:04 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:58:04 -0600
Subject: Mysteries FAQ Notes
Message-ID: <F33etD1ZdTr8gclDyGz00000811@hotmail.com>

Hi --

Pippin asked if I could post my notes on the updates for the Mysteries FAQ 
-- the answer is yes but it will be this weekend.  The notes are on a little 
scrap of paper on my desk at home (I'm visiting my folks this week).  Will 
do though when I get home.

I glanced at the draft on the M&I FAQ revisions -- I like the 
reorganization.  Thumbs up!

Penny




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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  6 00:12:41 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:12:41 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] The Mysteries FAQ
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>If anyone can think of any new mysteries, um, can you post them
>here, because I, um, still can't receive e-mail reliably.

"Why doesn't Lupin transform until the moonlight strikes him?"

Amy

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From blpurdom at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  6 03:31:06 2002
From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (blpurdom)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:31:06 -0000
Subject: The Mysteries FAQ
In-Reply-To: <a635m2+18eh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a642hq+pdm7@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "cindysphynx" <cynthiacoe at c...> wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> This is intended to duplicate a message that disappeared.  
Apologies 
> if it pops back up.
> 
> First, I've revised the Mysteries FAQ and uploaded a word version 
in 
> the Files section.  Basically, I tried to re-arrange things in 
> categories resembling those in the Lexicon.  I've added a few new 
> mysteries as well, which are in brackets.  They are about magical 
> medicine (Moody's leg and eye, Harry's glasses, Riddle's mother 
> dying in childbirth), Hollydaze's POA Shrieking Shack Timeline, 
> more on boggarts, Summoning Charms, and Dark Marks on DEs arms.
> If anyone can think of any new mysteries, um, can you post them 
> here, because I, um, still can't receive e-mail reliably.
 
Would the bit about Lupin transforming into a werewolf near the end 
of PoA go in the Mysteries FAQ or the Lupin FAQ or both?  I posted 
something today about lunar cycles and JKR's artistic license which 
might be helpful.

--Barb





From bonnie at niche-associates.com  Wed Mar  6 15:20:47 2002
From: bonnie at niche-associates.com (dicentra_spectabilis_alba)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:20:47 -0000
Subject: The Mysteries FAQ
In-Reply-To: <a642hq+pdm7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a65c4f+u5k0@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "blpurdom" <blpurdom at y...> wrote:

>  
> Would the bit about Lupin transforming into a werewolf near the end 
> of PoA go in the Mysteries FAQ or the Lupin FAQ or both?  I posted 
> something today about lunar cycles and JKR's artistic license which 
> might be helpful.
> 
> --Barb

I would put it in both sections.  Given that the FAQ is going to be
enormous, and given that people aren't going to read the whole thing
(not at one sitting, anyway), it can't hurt to have duplicate
information in different places. At the very least, there should be
links between them.

--Dicentra




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Wed Mar  6 15:52:02 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Mar 2002 15:52:02 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1015429922.37966.70333.w17@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /HP Mysteries1.doc 
  Uploaded by : pippin_999 <foxmoth at qnet.com> 
  Description : edited mystery file 

You can access this file at the URL

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Wed Mar  6 15:58:05 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:58:05 -0000
Subject: Mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <a65ead+74fd@eGroups.com>

I just uploaded my beta of the mystery FAQ with an additional 
question or two. I suggested some edits for clarity and grammar. 
Over to you, Cindy.

Pippin




From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Wed Mar  6 20:16:58 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:16:58 -0000
Subject: Mysteries FAQ -- Again
Message-ID: <a65tfq+bs7o@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.  Once again, Yahoo ate my previous attempt to eat this 
message, so let me try again.

I've uploaded a revised Mysteries FAQ that includes Amy's and 
Pippin's suggestions.  Pippin, would you delete your version so that 
we don't wind up with too many versions floating around?

Pippin, in case my e-mail message to you went astray, I'm starting 
with message 25,000 and moving forward from there.  I'm using 
revision marks to revise a copy of the draft document to add 
relevant message numbers, putting the best ones in bold for later 
hyper-link.  If you start where Penny left off (16,000?) and move 
forward, we should finish this work in no time at all.  :-)

Cindy




From pennylin at swbell.net  Wed Mar  6 03:06:00 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (plinsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 03:06:00 -0000
Subject: Mike's HB Site & Pippin's request for Notes
In-Reply-To: <a6316r+r76a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a6412o+obd3@eGroups.com>

Hi --

I'm having no end of problems posting.  The yahoogroups problems 
still seem to be occurring or is it just me?  In addition, I think 
the 2-3 posts I sent out (1 here & 1 to the main group) were composed 
through my hotmail account ... but I'm not subbed to any of the HP4GU 
groups with a hotmail acct so I suppose those messages are just never 
going to appear (I always forget that).  Anyhoo..

I tested out the mirror site for the HB and it looks quite good to me 
(though I agree the colors could stand to be changed somewhat).  <g>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
> I'm helping Cindy with the mysteries FAQ. Penny, would you post 
> your list of posts in the files here since Cindy's email is flaky? 

Yes, but it'll have to wait until I return home.  My notes are on a 
scrap of paper sitting by my home computer.  I'll post them by Sunday 
though.

Penny





From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Wed Mar  6 22:59:19 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:59:19 -0000
Subject: Mike's HB Site & Pippin's request for Notes
In-Reply-To: <a6412o+obd3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a66707+cdd5@eGroups.com>

Penny wrote:

> I'm having no end of problems posting.  

Yes, I'm having dreadful problems posting as well.  The chances that 
the first attempt at this posting will go through are quite small.  
So it's not just you, Penny.  Which leaves me with no e-mail and 
limited ability to post.  Ahem.

Anyway, back to Penny's problems.  Penny, your posts about your 
notes did make it . . . eventually.

Hope you're having a spiffing vacation!

Cindy




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Wed Mar  6 17:51:05 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 6 Mar 2002 17:51:05 -0000
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From skelkins at attbi.com  Wed Mar  6 19:04:59 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:04:59 -0000
Subject: Message Summaries and Good Files To Repost
Message-ID: <a65p8r+cb0a@eGroups.com>

A few questions about some old projects.

A question about the old message summaries (which go up to
message 8000) in the files.  Did people decide in the end
that this wasn't a particularly useful resource, or did it
simply prove far too much trouble to maintain?  I know that
Gwen has talked about sifting through messages herself, and
about delegating this task to others for the Snape FAQ.  How 
have other writers been handling this part of the project?

If there's feeling that the message summaries would be a 
useful thing to have on hand as a resource, then I'm willing
to pick up where Penny left off, starting with messages
8000-8999.  Would anyone else like to help update the message
summaries?  Is this something that people would even *like* 
to see done?  Or do people think it would be time far better 
spent on some other form of research?

It strikes me that while the message summaries might not prove
useful for this particular round of FAQ maintenance -- they'd 
likely not be done on time, for one thing -- it might be nice
to have them on file.  Not only are they Just Plain Cool (I
*really* enjoyed looking through the ones Penny worked up for
messages 1-8000), they also would be, I think, a great resource
for newbies who actually want to do their homework and read
up before opening their virtual mouths, but who don't have the 
time or the patience to slog their way through 40,000 some-odd 
old posts.

I know that when I first joined the list, I would have loved
to have had such a resource available to me, so that I could,
for example, have skipped over those messages which seemed
likely to be irrelevant to any current discussion (the Nancy 
Stouffer debates, for example) and concentrate instead on 
topics of more lasting interest. Yahoo's threading function
is simply terrible; it doesn't get the job done.

What do people think?

Another question: in the Mods files somewhere, there's a
collection someone started of thought-provoking messages
that might be reposted when inspiration seems to be flagging 
on the main list.  I thought this was a great idea: unfortunately
there only seem to be four (4!) messages in the file.  Surely
we've had more conversation-starter posts than that!  Again,
was this idea abandoned for a reason, or did it just kind of
fall by the wayside?  Because again, particularly if I'm going
to be sorting old messages by topic, I'd be happy to pluck out
any that look particularly juicy and add them to that file
as well.


-- Elkins, who always finds tables of Things Sorted By Category 
utterly irresistable





From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Mar  7 03:52:17 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:52:17 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Message Summaries and Good Files To Repost
Message-ID: <F137lbpH71yEXUIEAOe000000f6@hotmail.com>

Hi all --

Elkins asked:

<<<A question about the old message summaries (which go up to
message 8000) in the files.  Did people decide in the end
that this wasn't a particularly useful resource, or did it
simply prove far too much trouble to maintain?  I know that
Gwen has talked about sifting through messages herself, and
about delegating this task to others for the Snape FAQ.  How
have other writers been handling this part of the project?>>>

When the FAQs were first conceived after we switched over to egroups in Aug 
2000, we divided up the Yahoo Club posts (messages 1-7500 (approx.)).  
People took groups of 300 & sorted them into the categories for the FAQ 
topics.  There were about 15 or so folks involved with this aspect of the 
project, but the intent was really just to do this for the old Yahoo Club 
messages, because there was no search facility at all with Yahoo Clubs.  So, 
we only categorized those 7500 or so posts.  The egroups posts started over 
again at #1 btw.  So, while our current group shows some 36000 posts, in 
reality the group has generated 42500 posts to date.

We decided that the FAQ writer should bear responsibility for watching out 
for messages of interest relating to all his/her FAQs starting with the 
egroups messages.  At that time, of course, I'm sure no one anticipated that 
we would be looking at 35000+ messages & FAQs still not completed.  The 
original goal for uploading the FAQs was Oct 2000!  We didn't get any of 
them uploaded until July 2001.

The other variable is that people agreed to help with categorizing the 
original 7500 Yahoo Club posts & then reneged on their commitment.  I know I 
did probably 4-5 batches of 300 messages, instead of just the one batch I 
was originally set to do.  I can't imagine how many volunteers it would take 
or how long it would take or how it would all work to do something similar 
for the 36000+ (growing daily) Yahoogroups message archives.  It's an 
ambitious project.  I'm not saying "Don't do it" but you should know that 
it's a mammoth project.

<<<It strikes me that while the message summaries might not prove
useful for this particular round of FAQ maintenance -- they'd
likely not be done on time, for one thing -- it might be nice
to have them on file.  Not only are they Just Plain Cool (I
*really* enjoyed looking through the ones Penny worked up for
messages 1-8000), they also would be, I think, a great resource
for newbies who actually want to do their homework and read
up before opening their virtual mouths, but who don't have the
time or the patience to slog their way through 40,000 some-odd
old posts.>>>>

Well, that's actually the goal of the FAQs themselves really.  Of course, 
the message summaries would be nice to have too in an ideal world I suppose. 
  But, the FAQs were always intended to be a summary of known facts and all 
questions, discussions, commentary, analysis, etc. expressed by the group to 
date on a given topic.

<<<<Another question: in the Mods files somewhere, there's a
collection someone started of thought-provoking messages
that might be reposted when inspiration seems to be flagging
on the main list.  I thought this was a great idea: unfortunately
there only seem to be four (4!) messages in the file.  Surely
we've had more conversation-starter posts than that!  Again,
was this idea abandoned for a reason, or did it just kind of
fall by the wayside?>>>

It fell by the wayside.  I think it's a fabulous idea, and I hope to 
eventually contribute some fabulous posts to the database.  But, alas, the 
time to comb through the archives searching is probably not in my future 
anytime soon.  :--)

Penny

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From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Wed Mar  6 17:53:09 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 17:53:09 -0000
Subject: Mysteries FAQ
In-Reply-To: <a65ead+74fd@eGroups.com>
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Pippin wrote:

> I just uploaded my beta of the mystery FAQ with an additional 
> question or two. I suggested some edits for clarity and grammar. 

I've revised the Mysteries FAQ to include Amy's and Pippin's 
suggestions.  I've deleted my older version.  Pippin, can you delete 
your version so that we don't get confused?

Pippin, I started reviewing messages and adding the message numbers 
into the draft version.  I'm working forward starting with message 
25,000.  If you'll start with the point where Penny left off and 
work forward, we'll have this done in, um, no time at all.

So far, reviewing the messages has been going much more quickly than 
I thought it would.  Certain people tend to post really good, 
thoughtful posts, and others, er, don't.  

Cindy (hoping she's not repeating herself)




From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Thu Mar  7 17:52:27 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:52:27 -0000
Subject: Message Summaries and Good Files To Repost
In-Reply-To: <a65p8r+cb0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a689cr+3cpv@eGroups.com>

Elkins wrote about the message summaries:


> What do people think?
> 

Although I haven't reviewed the message summaries, my thought was 
that the FAQs would render them unnecessary.  

As for the Greatest Hits database, we haven't really gotten 
anywhere.  Part of the reason IMO is that message quality on the 
board is much better than it was at year-end when this idea came 
up.  That, I think, is due to the newbie modding system.  But if 
quality declines again, maybe we need to revive the idea?  I don't 
think we've hit a critical mass of good threads yet, though.  Maybe 
we can all keep our eyes open for good threads as we do our FAQs?

Cindy




From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Fri Mar  8 00:25:16 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 01:25:16 +0100
Subject: Mystery FAQ, HTML-ising, New FAQ Site, Social Issues FAQ
References: <a689cr+3cpv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005701c1c637$b97c0c20$0200a8c0@shasta>

I'm baaaack - and I've been thinking about FAQs a lot. Actually,
no. Not "a lot." Make that "way too much," even "obsessively." So
look out!


MYSTERY FAQ

I just read the latest version of the Mystery FAQ and have
several thoughts:

In particular, it seemed to me that I was reading about four
different sorts of issues:

1) Flints (i.e. mysteries connected to various authorial errors -
runs the gamut from GoF plot holes to "how'd they walk around the
lake three times" issues.)
2) Riddles (i.e. mysteries JKR has dreamed up just to pique our
curiosity about the next bends in the plot - like Dumbledore's
gleam, "ancient magic," the disappearance of Harry's entire
family, prof. Trelawny's first prediction.)
3) Clues (i.e. details that JKR hasn't brought to the
foreground - but may nonetheless hold a key to future twists in
the plot - i.e., the meaning of socks, the color green or the
number 12, Dumbledore's metro scar)
3) Curios (i.e. things that are neither Flints nor Riddles nor
Clues but just make us wonder about the world behind the books -
i.e. is the prefects bathroom coeducational - is Crookshanks a
Kneazel? - how much is a Galleon worth? - how is the Quaffel
handled?)

The mystery FAQ, as it stands, dedicates about 60% of its
contents to Flints, 20% to Riddles, 10% each to Clues and Curios.
(BTW, I'm aware that the dividing lines - particularly between
Riddles and Clues - are highly debatable!)

In any case, the first paragraph of the FAQ ("This group has
spotted a number of mysteries and inconsistencies within the
Harry Potter series. [....] unrealistic deadlines or being
hindered by a veil of secrecy.") concerns itself *exclusively*
with Flints. This seems a pity. Why not explain the categories
(or something like them), then assign one or more of them to each
question? (Kind of like the category symbols they use in the
movie listing in the newspaper here ... )

A couple of details:

1) The worth of a Galleon has been cleared up in
http://www.comicrelief.com/harrysbooks/pages/transcript2.shtml:
> Rebecca Boswell - What is the approximate value of a galleon?
> About five pounds, though the exchange rate varies!

2) The Quaffel question was cleared up by the film.

3) I don't believe that JKR has made any definitive statement
about Crookshanks. However, she does mention that he is "very
smart cat" and refuses to say whether there is "more to him than
meets the eye." See the following:
http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/September_1999_Barnes_No
ble.htm
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript2.htm



TURNING WORD FILES INTO HTML

I spent a while poking about the internet this afternoon and made
a few discoveries. Although it's true that Word 2000 creates html
that could petrify a basilisk, there's a nifty freeware program
called "tidy" which can cut Word 2000's html down to the bare
essentials. I saved the latest incarnation of the Mystery FAQ to
an html file then "tidied" it up. I've uploaded the results to
let the more knowledgeable html people judge for themselves.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FAQs/mys-mar7.htm)

It doesn't handle footnotes, font changes or character size
changes, but it does all normal formatting, plus tables, urls and
the various heading levels. I *think* it can even do some
graphics.

Since Paul already has another program that can turn rtf files
into html, we now have two options - and I would be glad to
html-ify files for anyone who is ready to go public.

Three tips for people working in Word:

1) Mark new sections with appropriate header styles, not font
size changes! Header styles translate perfectly and will allow
our webmaster types to do all sorts of neat stuff.
2) Use the Ctrl-K function, which allows you to assign a
hyperlink to any piece of selected text. It will give you perfect
links without bloating the text with URLs. The final html text
will end up looking exactly the way you see it.
3) If you don;t want to bother with cntrl-K-ing things, still try
to put your message numbers close to the part of your text to
which they refer. Those cohorts of message numbers at the end of
each point in the Mystery FAQ are pretty imposing. I would
suggest putting message number references in brackets at the same
place you would otherwise put a footnote marker.


NEW SERVERS, NEW LOOK, NEW TEAM?

I'm just curious - are our new webmaster types (let's see ... at
last count that was Barb, Joy, JenP) ready to start thinking
through our options, perhaps start a conversation with Heidi
about getting our FAQs onto the Fictionalley server? I'd love to
see what JenP can do!

And BTW, has anyone heard from Steve recently? Since he got the
FAQs up in their current form and is presently hosting them, he
should have a say in this process!  I hope the administration at
his school hasn't fed him to the dementors ...


SOCIAL ISSUES FAQ

Tabouli wrote,

> As for the FAQ updating, given my regular cross-cultural
ranting, perilous
> tho' they can be (!), I'm happy to collaborate with the Goat on
the ethnic
> diversity file, in the interests of encouraging cross-species
understanding
> as well as cross-cultural understanding.

Well, unless someone wants to stop us, it looks like we're on our
way to a whole new cultural concept! I'd suggest that we put
together a single "social issues" faq covering four different
issues: nationalism, race, gender and sexuality. (And, as Tabouli
was kind enough to point out, perhaps a little section on the
evils of speciesism wouldn't be amiss ... )

Do you do ym, Tabouli? I can be reached at aberforths_goat.

BTW, although both the Hogwarts and Mystery FAQs refer to some
(perhaps all?) of these issues, none of them currently do more
than mention the questions. So I don't think we'd be betraying a
dead-hippogriff-beating fetish by diving in.

Anyway, if anyone has reservations or comments about this
project, speak now or forever hold your bludger!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

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may not have been bravery...."



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From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Fri Mar  8 01:09:23 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 01:09:23 -0000
Subject: Mystery FAQ, HTML-ising, 
In-Reply-To: <005701c1c637$b97c0c20$0200a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <a69303+r02r@eGroups.com>

Goat wrote (re the Mysteries FP):

> I just read the latest version of the Mystery FAQ and have
> several thoughts:
 
<snip> 

>Why not explain the categories
> (or something like them), then assign one or more of them to each
> question? (Kind of like the category symbols they use in the
> movie listing in the newspaper here ... )

That's a great idea, Mike.  Uh, um, is there any way I could beg you 
to write a Mysteries intro along these lines?  Your Pettigrew FAQ 
was so good, and you're so good at writing things like this, and 
you've already figured this out and  ::stroke, stroke, stroke::.  
So, how about it?  Please?

I'm still mulling the idea of whether we should add a symbol for 
each of the categories you mentioned.  I must admit to having a 
weakness for little symbols and cross-referencing and such, even 
when they don't really clarify things much, so I'm not sure I'm the 
best person to ask.  Anyone?

Goat again:

> 1) The worth of a Galleon has been cleared up in
> http://www.comicrelief.com/harrysbooks/pages/transcript2.shtml:

Good point.  I'll delete that mystery.

> 2) The Quaffel question was cleared up by the film.

Hmmm.  Are we going to consider film issues as definitive canon?  
Maybe not generally, but it is hard to imagine the Quaffel question 
as very mysterious at this point.  No one has brought it up for 
ages.  I'll delete it unless someone objects.

> 3) I don't believe that JKR has made any definitive statement
> about Crookshanks. However, she does mention that he is "very
> smart cat" and refuses to say whether there is "more to him than
> meets the eye." See the following:
> http://www.geocities.com/aberforths_goat/September_1999_Barnes_No
> ble.htm
> http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/author/transcript2.htm
> 

OK, I can leave in the bit about Crookshanks.

Goat again: 

> 2) Use the Ctrl-K function, which allows you to assign a
> hyperlink to any piece of selected text. It will give you perfect
> links without bloating the text with URLs. The final html text
> will end up looking exactly the way you see it.
> 3) If you don;t want to bother with cntrl-K-ing things, still try
> to put your message numbers close to the part of your text to
> which they refer. Those cohorts of message numbers at the end of
> each point in the Mystery FAQ are pretty imposing. I would
> suggest putting message number references in brackets at the same
> place you would otherwise put a footnote marker.

Uh, now I am confused.  If I see a killer post that I want to have a 
hyperlink, exactly how should I indicate this?  Am I supposed to 
copy the URL for that post into the text, because that will get 
awfully clunky looking.  Can we do links like John used in the HBF 
that just say "Go"?  

So far, I've been adding the message numbers immediately after the 
text to which it relates, and I have been using bold type for the 
messages requiring links.  Should I re-format the message numbers 
that require links in some fashion?  I can go back and do that, but 
I need some guidance.

Cindy (who really did read and enjoy the Pettigrew FAQ, and is 
wondering aloud why it can't be uploaded and made available to 
everyone in its current form)




From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Thu Mar  7 23:51:12 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 23:51:12 -0000
Subject: Even More Mysteries
Message-ID: <a68udg+f9an@eGroups.com>

Pippin and everyone,

In reviewing messages (which is going much more quickly than I 
thought it would), I have spotted a few more mysteries.  They are:

***********
In the Attack on the Potters, Does Voldemort Wish to Spare Lily?  
Why?

**********

Is Mrs. Norris Something More Than a Cat?

*********************

Why is it that no one notices that Death Eaters have the Dark Mark 
on their arms?

*******************
Why Does Dumbledore Use the Put-Outer to Extinguish The Street 
Lights Instead Of His Wand?

******************

Use of the Timeturner:  If use of a timeturner is so risky, why is 
Hermione allowed to use it for something like taking extra classes?  
If use of a timeturner is *not* so risky, then why can't it be used 
for things like saving Harry's parents, saving Cedric or averting 
other tragedies?

**************
Harry's Patronus is Prongs, but what form does Lupin's Patronus take?

=======================

Does anyone think any of these mysteries is too speculative or too 
lame to add to the Mysteries FP?  

Pippin, do you want me to upload the latest version of the document 
so you can work on that, or do you just want to add these new 
mysteries to the end of your document and we'll merge them in the 
final version?

Cindy (who is currently reviewing the messages right around the 
release of the Movie and the NY Times Article and who is shaking her 
head at how how awful a lot of posts really were back then)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  8 13:58:13 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:58:13 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] HTML-ising
Message-ID: <F196zal65iuxXURltra0000854c@hotmail.com>

Cindy wrote:

>Uh, now I am confused.  If I see a killer post that I want to have a
>hyperlink, exactly how should I indicate this?  Am I supposed to
>copy the URL for that post into the text, because that will get
>awfully clunky looking.  Can we do links like John used in the HBF
>that just say "Go"?

Yes.  If you use the Ctrl-K function (or Insert: Hyperlink), you'll get a 
dialogue box that allows you to put in the link and also whatever text you 
want to appear as the link's name.  E.g., if you put "Cindy's web site" 
under "text to display" and "www.cindysphynx.com" under "web page name," you 
can get a result like this:

Check out [Cindy's web site!]

where the bracketed text appears in blue.  Click on it and it links you to 
www.cindysphynx.com.

Amy

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From cynthiacoe at comcast.net  Fri Mar  8 15:44:23 2002
From: cynthiacoe at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:44:23 -0000
Subject: HTML-ising & Interesting Essays FAQ
In-Reply-To: <F196zal65iuxXURltra0000854c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6am8n+rp3b@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

> Yes.  If you use the Ctrl-K function (or Insert: Hyperlink), 
you'll get a 
> dialogue box that allows you to put in the link and also whatever 
text you 
> want to appear as the link's name.  E.g., if you put "Cindy's web 
site" 
> under "text to display" and "www.cindysphynx.com" under "web page 
name," you 
> can get a result like this:
> 
> Check out [Cindy's web site!]
> 
> where the bracketed text appears in blue.  


So, then, assume there was a Mystery FP about paranoia.  Say I want 
to give a link to Elkins Flying Hedgehog post.  I would cite that 
with "Go http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36197"?

Ugh.  Isn't there an easier (i.e., shorter) way to do the links?  I 
can live with it if this is the only way to do it.

***************

In reviewing old posts, I am finding quite a number of awesome 
threads that don't fit into the Mysteries FP or any other existing 
FP.  An example is David's "JKR's priorities and how they affect 
interpretation" at Message 31,937.  There are also lots of good 
messages comparing HP to other great lit.  Do we need an FP for 
Messages that are just really good and thought-provoking, or is 
there a place for these posts already?

Cindy




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  8 19:29:55 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:29:55 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: HTML-ising & Interesting Essays FAQ
Message-ID: <F227dkmyCF1HkikieqX0000ad3b@hotmail.com>

Cindy wrote:

>So, then, assume there was a Mystery FP about paranoia.  Say I want
>to give a link to Elkins Flying Hedgehog post.  I would cite that
>with "Go http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36197"?
>
>Ugh.  Isn't there an easier (i.e., shorter) way to do the links?  I
>can live with it if this is the only way to do it.

No, see, the Ctrl-K function lets you put in that 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36197 but have it appear 
in your FP as "Elkins Flying Hedgehog" or "GO" or "here" or whatever text 
you want.  The user then clicks on the smartly-titled link and finds 
him/herself at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/36197.  
Nifty, eh?

>In reviewing old posts, I am finding quite a number of awesome
>threads that don't fit into the Mysteries FP or any other existing
>FP.  An example is David's "JKR's priorities and how they affect
>interpretation" at Message 31,937.  There are also lots of good
>messages comparing HP to other great lit.  Do we need an FP for
>Messages that are just really good and thought-provoking, or is
>there a place for these posts already?

Hm.  We could at the very least put 'em in the conversation starters 
database.

Amy

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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Fri Mar  8 18:19:51 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:19:51 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Mystery FAQ, Canon, Interesting Essays
References: <a69303+r02r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007001c1c6cd$d70b1e70$0200a8c0@shasta>

MYSTERY FAQ

Cindy wrote,
> could you 
> write a Mysteries intro along these lines?  [....]
> ::stroke, stroke, stroke::.  So, how about it? 

Hmph. Flattery will get you ... um ... sure, I will! 

::preens, then scampers off in terror:: Oh dear. I *do* hope Mrs. Aberforth's Goat won't find out that someone called Sin D.C. has been stroking Pop. ::imagines Sin D.C. as a sort of Cruela de Vil, strangely fascinated with kid-skin gloves ... ::  

BTW, I can't do any writing until Tuesday, though. And are you sure you really those four terms? 

As for the symbols: I don't know whether they'd clarify much, but they would be fun, which is, occasionally, preferable to clarity.

CANON AND FILM

> Hmmm.  Are we going to consider film issues as definitive canon?  
> Maybe not generally, but it is hard to imagine the Quaffel question 
> as very mysterious at this point.  No one has brought it up for 
> ages.  I'll delete it unless someone objects.

[Quaffel? Quaffal? Quaffle? Bother.] The concept of canon is pretty complex - but I'd say that the film brings pretty strong evidence to bear on questions of that sort. (BTW, the "volleyball" option sounds pretty loony to me, and I don't mean the nitpicking variety.)

INTERESTING ESSAYS

> In reviewing old posts, I am finding quite a number of awesome 
> threads that don't fit into the Mysteries FP or any other existing 
> FP.  An example is David's "JKR's priorities and how they affect 
> interpretation" at Message 31,937.  There are also lots of good 
> messages comparing HP to other great lit.  Do we need an FP for 
> Messages that are just really good and thought-provoking, or is 
> there a place for these posts already?

I think the "universal appeal" FAQ would be the right place for comparisons with other authors. What we don't have is a FAQ about Hogwarts and Hermeneutics. I'd say that FAQ has David's name written all over it, possibly in collaboration with one of the PhD in Lit types. (BTW, I'd love to read it, too.)


BTW, here's an example of what Amy wrote. (I thing we have html turned on on this list.)

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray, who promises never to send another post in html.)
_______________________

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From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  8 19:05:49 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 14:05:49 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Mysteries FP Revision -- Second Attempt
Message-ID: <F124q4Zk6LsktqXWna30001dad4@hotmail.com>

Cindy asked:

>**************
>Harry's Patronus is Prongs, but what form does Lupin's Patronus take?
>

Leave that one to me.  I don't think it's a mystery any more than 
Dumbledore's is; it's just "something we don't know that we're curious 
about."  It's been discussed enough that I've included it in the Lupin FAQ.

Amy

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Mar  9 15:51:41 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:51:41 -0600
Subject: Interesting Essays FAQ
References: <a6am8n+rp3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C8A2F8D.40602@swbell.net>

Hi all --

I'm back home at last and catching up a bit.  My stay at my parents did 
not equal more "me time" as it turns out as Elizabeth is going through a 
big "mommy only" phase apparently.  Sigh.  Anyway ... I've got a few 
messages over in my hotmail inbox that I wanted to respond to but for now:

cindysphynx wrote:


> In reviewing old posts, I am finding quite a number of awesome
> threads that don't fit into the Mysteries FP or any other existing
> FP.  An example is David's "JKR's priorities and how they affect
> interpretation" at Message 31,937.  There are also lots of good
> messages comparing HP to other great lit.  Do we need an FP for
> Messages that are just really good and thought-provoking, or is
> there a place for these posts already?

We could always devise more FPs.  For the meantime, I suggest we all 
keep track of these interesting messages that don't fit into any 
particular FP.  If you don't mind, just start a database, Cindy.  :--)

I'm uploading a file with the notes on more Mysteries FP messages in a bit.

Penny





From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Sat Mar  9 16:07:38 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 9 Mar 2002 16:07:38 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /Mysteries FAQ Updates.doc 
  Uploaded by : plinsenmayer <pennylin at swbell.net> 
  Description : Updates 4/15/01 - 8/8/01 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/Mysteries%20FAQ%20Updates.doc 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Mar  9 16:12:54 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (plinsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 16:12:54 -0000
Subject: Mysteries Updates
Message-ID: <a6dca6+b27d@eGroups.com>

Hi --

This is obviously mainly for the benefit of Cindy & Pippin.

Just uploaded a Word doc with the dates & names of posters for
messages I was compiling for updating the Mysteries FAQ.  I concede
that it's odd that there was a flurry of activity from late July - Aug
& nothing from mid-April until the end of July.  I think there just
*weren't* any messages that I thought useful for updating the M&I FAQ
until the end of July.  But, I do note that I was flooded out of my
home in early June & living at my out-laws until the middle of August.
 And, of course, Elizabeth was a newborn during that time period.  Er
... not following the groups closely is a safe assumption.  *However,*
I also have handwritten notes for other FAQ updates though that *do*
include messages from mid-April, May, June, etc.

So, I dunno.  May be worth checking the April - mid-July messages too.

Hope this is somewhat helpful & reasonably decipherable.  My system
has been to move messages of interest into subfolders but of course I
don't have Message #s under that methodology.  When I got a new
computer, I just made notes of dates & poster names before wiping the
slate clean to sell my old computer to my in-laws.

Rambling!Penny
(who got next to no sleep last night & running on adrenlin)
 




From editor at texas.net  Tue Mar 12 00:45:26 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:45:26 -0600
Subject: Which FAQ covers this?
Message-ID: <028c01c1c95f$39d019a0$477763d1@texas.net>

Where is the discussion of "why did Crouch/Moody bother with making the
Triwizard Cup into a Portkey instead of just whisking Harry away at any of
the other many convenient times?" (which I suppose is right there with "why
do the two Portkeys operate differently?").

I'm combing through my inbox, culling, and saw that last week somebody
mentioned a theory that I had espoused, along with several others, that
explained the first. It comes up periodically; I wondered if it were in the
FAQs.

--Amanda




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Mar 12 02:26:04 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:26:04 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Which FAQ covers this?
References: <028c01c1c95f$39d019a0$477763d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <3C8D673C.90803@swbell.net>

Hi --

Amanda wrote:

> Where is the discussion of "why did Crouch/Moody bother with making the
> Triwizard Cup into a Portkey instead of just whisking Harry away at any of
> the other many convenient times?" (which I suppose is right there with "why
> do the two Portkeys operate differently?").

It's in the Mysteries FAQ.  :--)

Penny





From judyshapiro at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 12 07:52:41 2002
From: judyshapiro at earthlink.net (judyserenity)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:52:41 -0000
Subject: The Mysterious Galleon
In-Reply-To: <005701c1c637$b97c0c20$0200a8c0@shasta>
Message-ID: <a6kc49+8u4j@eGroups.com>

Aberforth's Goat wrote:
> 1) The worth of a Galleon has been cleared up in
> http://www.comicrelief.com/harrysbooks/pages/transcript2.shtml:
> > Rebecca Boswell - What is the approximate value of a galleon?
> > About five pounds, though the exchange rate varies!

Well, there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding galleons and 
other wizard currency, I think.  One question is why some items, such 
as wands, are so ridiculously cheap (10 galleons.)  Another question 
is how a galleon can be a useful denomination of gold coin, when 5 
British pounds will buy less than a gram of gold.  Plus, there have 
been discussions about how the Gringott's goblins exchange wizard and 
muggle currency and whether wizard gold is just plain gold or has 
special properties.  I personally want to know why Bill Weasley works 
for Gringotts, instead of just breaking into Egyptian tombs and taking 
all the loot for himself. 

Judy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Mar 13 18:54:05 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:54:05 -0000
Subject: DE and Auror Mysteries?
Message-ID: <a6o78d+ifje@eGroups.com>

I am currently whipping my way through recent posts to add to the 
Mysteries FP.  I am in the middle of February's discussion of the 
many outlandish Moody/Longbottom/Avery/Lestrange/Florence 
backstories.  

Should I add a question to the Mysteries FP dealing with what 
happened to the DEs and Aurors around the time of Voldemort's 
downfall?  Or is this stuff, while highly entertaining, too silly and 
speculative to include at all?

Thoughts?

Cindy (reassuring everyone that Toadkeeper will *not* be in the 
Mysteries FP)




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 14 03:12:37 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:12:37 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] DE and Auror Mysteries?
Message-ID: <F268T0OhHM9ODxBjqor00019e4c@hotmail.com>

The Sphynx wondered:

>I am currently whipping my way through recent posts to add to the
>Mysteries FP.  I am in the middle of February's discussion of the
>many outlandish Moody/Longbottom/Avery/Lestrange/Florence
>backstories.
>
>Should I add a question to the Mysteries FP dealing with what
>happened to the DEs and Aurors around the time of Voldemort's
>downfall?  Or is this stuff, while highly entertaining, too silly and
>speculative to include at all?

I haven't kept up with all of it, so I'm not sure just how silly and 
speculative it gets (but since you and Elkins are in the thick of it, I 
imagine the answer is "very" <g>)--but I say sure, include it, with some 
note to the effect that it's list members being speculative to the point of 
silliness.  Otherwise we'll get some NYT reporter solemnly reporting how 
"fans in the know" believe that "Book Six will reveal Harry to be the 
love-child of Professor Snape and an obscure character named Florence, who 
is the sister of animagus Trevor."

Amy

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Mar 14 15:56:21 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:56:21 -0000
Subject: DE and Auror Mysteries? and Latest Version of Mysteries FP
In-Reply-To: <F268T0OhHM9ODxBjqor00019e4c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a6qh75+ik11@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

>I say sure, include it, with some 
> note to the effect that it's list members being speculative to the 
point of 
> silliness.  Otherwise we'll get some NYT reporter solemnly 
reporting how 
> "fans in the know" believe that "Book Six will reveal Harry to be 
the 
> love-child of Professor Snape and an obscure character named 
Florence, who 
> is the sister of animagus Trevor."

I'm about to upload the latest version of the Mysteries FP 
(containing revision marks).  It contains updates for Messages 25,000 
through 36,515.  Pippin, I added a couple of new mysteries (just a 
couple, I swear!).  I haven't coded the linked messages yet; they are 
still just in boldface.

I added a section for "DEs and the Dark Mark", but I haven't the 
energy to go back and deal with backstories today.  Maybe on Monday.  

Sheez, it took me *forever* to deal with the messages from December-
March.  That's a sure sign that message quality is *way* up, I 
suppose.  Anyway, I'd love to receive comments on this latest version.

Cindy




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Thu Mar 14 16:02:33 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 14 Mar 2002 16:02:33 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1016121753.11851.24257.w22@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /HP Mysteries Recovered 3-12.doc 
  Uploaded by : cindysphynx <cindysphynx at comcast.net> 
  Description : Revised Mysteries FP 3-14-02 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/HP%20Mysteries%20Recovered%203-12.doc 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

cindysphynx <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
 







From foxmoth at qnet.com  Thu Mar 14 16:39:59 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (foxmoth at qnet.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:39:59 -0800
Subject: Mysteries FP and progress report
In-Reply-To: <a6qh75+ik11@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8B6125F.BD6%foxmoth@qnet.com>

Cindy wrote

> I'm about to upload the latest version of the Mysteries FP
> (containing revision marks).  It contains updates for Messages 25,000
> through 36,515.  Pippin, I added a couple of new mysteries (just a
> couple, I swear!).  I haven't coded the linked messages yet; they are
> still just in boldface.

It looks good. The only change I'd make is to omit Madame Rosmerta from the
low paid wizarding jobs question.  She owns the Three Broomsticks, so she's
probably well off.

I am making progress with messages 16,000 to 24999. With my slow dial up
(the good side is I have plenty of time to click on through before the ads
load so I have yet to see what the Penny's model is wearing), I have been
working from the archives. It took me a while but I have reconfigured the
text based download as a Filemaker  database.  So I can search rapidly,
provided I can come up with suitable key words.

Pippin




From lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu  Thu Mar 14 17:21:06 2002
From: lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu (gwendolyngrace)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:21:06 -0000
Subject: Oh joy! Oh bliss! Oh rapture eternal!
Message-ID: <a6qm62+966a@eGroups.com>

Calloo, Callay!

At 11:42 am, EST, today, I got CAUGHT UP on the message archives!

Snape information of a prodigious quantity is now at my fingertips!

(insert maniacal laughter!)

So, I rearranged the files a little bit into easier to swallow chunks.
They are saved in blocks of approximately 50 pages each, although that
really translates to less than 50 pages, because I haven't done hardly
any formatting (such as removing hard line breaks, editing, or any
spelling checks).

In the next few days (well, today and Monday), I will contact those
people who wanted to help compile the information.

Since more people thought it would be useful to divide by message
grouping, and assign all questions to all participants, I'll
capitulate and do it that way (plus it's a lot less data to transfer
around).

So anyone who wants to get their HP fix in by looking at Snape
messages this weekend, please let me know.

Gwen (who is just THRILLED that Phase I is complete....)




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Mar 14 19:56:55 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:56:55 -0000
Subject: Oh joy! Oh bliss! Oh rapture eternal!
In-Reply-To: <a6qm62+966a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a6qva7+68mc@eGroups.com>

Gwen wrote:

> 
> At 11:42 am, EST, today, I got CAUGHT UP on the message archives!
> 
> Snape information of a prodigious quantity is now at my fingertips!
> 
> (insert maniacal laughter!)

Oooh, this is coming together nicely!  Snape will soon be completed, 
Mysteries will soon be completed, Pettigrew is completed.  We can do 
a really big announcement of the Fantastic Posts and Where to Find 
Them name, complete with some actual Fantastic Posts!  ::shiver::

Gwen, I'm one of your Snape volunteers.  Let me take another cut at 
Mysteries today, and I'll have some time to work on Snape next week.

Cindy (who finds Gwen's enthusiasm contagious)




From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Mar 14 23:12:37 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:12:37 -0600
Subject: Oh joy! Oh bliss! Oh rapture eternal!
References: <a6qva7+68mc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C912E65.3080306@swbell.net>

Hi all --

> Gwen wrote:
> 
>  >
>  > At 11:42 am, EST, today, I got CAUGHT UP on the message archives!
>  >
>  > Snape information of a prodigious quantity is now at my fingertips!
>  >
>  > (insert maniacal laughter!)

Cindy enthused:

> 
> Oooh, this is coming together nicely!  Snape will soon be completed,
> Mysteries will soon be completed, Pettigrew is completed.  We can do
> a really big announcement of the Fantastic Posts and Where to Find
> Them name, complete with some actual Fantastic Posts!  ::shiver::

Hey, Amy -- how's about that Lupin FAQ?  Could it be added to the 
growing list of "near-completion" FAQs?  <g>  I know, I know -- only 
Phase I on Snape ... but hey it's more progress on these things than 
we've had in some time.

Like Cindy, I'm finding Gwen's enthusiasm contagious.  I know Mike 
posted some great thoughts last week while I was out of town & that 
message is still sitting in my hotmail acct -- waiting to be answered. 
After baby goes down tonight, I'll try to tackle that.  I could probably 
arrange to update my 4 FAQs before we announce the new name, new site & 
new FPs.  :--)

In fact, a challenge to us all: no Yahoogroups this weekend so you 
*could* use that down-time to work on your FAQs.  Of course, this 
requires you to download the actual messages somehow as you won't be 
able to access the message archives.

Trying-to-be-Cheerleader!Penny






From editor at texas.net  Fri Mar 15 02:35:28 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:35:28 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Oh joy! Oh bliss! Oh rapture eternal!
References: <a6qm62+966a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003601c1cbca$1293e840$b87c63d1@texas.net>

> So anyone who wants to get their HP fix in by looking at Snape
> messages this weekend, please let me know.

Me. I'm in.

--Amanda




From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 15 03:28:40 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:28:40 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Oh joy! Oh bliss! Oh rapture eternal!
Message-ID: <F27C5hLVi0GwT75hwDR00010415@hotmail.com>

Penny cheer-led:

>In fact, a challenge to us all: no Yahoogroups this weekend so you
>*could* use that down-time to work on your FAQs.  Of course, this
>requires you to download the actual messages somehow as you won't be
>able to access the message archives.

My plan exactly.  And thanks for the reminder that I have to download the 
zip files before Yahoo goes down.

Amy

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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 15 07:48:49 2002
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (kippesp)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:48:49 -0000
Subject: 2nd archive group
Message-ID: <a6s911+m6ht@eGroups.com>

Some people may have missed this (based on the rather low member 
count).  But the original archive group ran out of space at the first 
of the year.  So I've been adding new files to a new group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives1

The archive is current through Friday morning.





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Mar 18 01:25:35 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:25:35 -0000
Subject: Mysteries FP Revision -- Second Attempt
In-Reply-To: <F124q4Zk6LsktqXWna30001dad4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <a73fmf+91l3@eGroups.com>

Hi, Amy.

I deleted this question from the Mysteries FP.  The relevant message 
numbers I found were:  28,601, 28,619, 28,868, 30,511

Hope that helps.

Cindy


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Amy Z" <aiz24 at h...> wrote:
> Cindy asked:
> 
> >**************
> >Harry's Patronus is Prongs, but what form does Lupin's Patronus 
take?
> >
> 
> Leave that one to me.  I don't think it's a mystery any more than 
> Dumbledore's is; it's just "something we don't know that we're 
curious 
> about."  It's been discussed enough that I've included it in the 
Lupin FAQ.
> 
> Amy
> 
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From Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com  Wed Mar 20 12:28:25 2002
From: Aberforths_Goat at Yahoo.com (Aberforth's Goat)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:28:25 +0100
Subject: Out of Operation till Easter
References: <a73fmf+91l3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c1d00a$bb7a9d70$0200a8c0@shasta>

Hi guys!

I just wanted to say that I'll be out of commission until after
Easter. (And if any of the people who ssent me those
broken-computer vibes could send a few for the Easter conference
I supposed to lead, I be very thankful. Since I haven't even
begun writing the three lectures I'm supposed to deliver, St.
Jude might be seeing more of me over the next ten days!)

Afterwards I'll start to work again on the Mysteries intro
(assuming you guys really want a cameo!), Religion update and
Social Issues draft.

Baaaaaa!

Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
_______________________

"Of course, I'm not entirely sure he can read, so that
may not have been bravery...."