From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  1 00:32:49 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:32:49 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <ana5lp+etl7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anaqfh+92df@eGroups.com>

Hi, Eileen, and welcome aboard!

> I've volunteered for Messages 28,001-29,000, but someone had better
> give me exact instructions on what to do, else I'll end up flubbing
> it. (Did I mention I identify with Neville as well as Percy?)
> Here comes the tricky part of the business. 

Good news!  For cataloguing, I don't think you need to understand's 
Paul's document.  Just go to the main list, pull up 28,001 and start 
cataloguing.

>I'm not sure I quite
> understand the best way to go about this. All the old hands are
> swooning over Paul's document (Hello Paul!), but I really don't...
> well..... understand it. 

Oh, it's a thing of beauty!  It's a lot like Russian Literature, if 
you catch my drift.  ;-)

Actually, the way to look at it is to look at the four tabs at the 
bottom of the spreadsheet.  The two on the left (Groups and Club) 
are a list of message number, poster and subject header for every 
post to the main list that has ever been made.  (Clubs is the 
archives).  The two on the right give a count of how many posts each 
member has made; you don't care about this.

Let's say, though, you wanted to find the first post ever from 
someone using the e-mail "lucky-kari."  You would go to the tab for 
Groups.  You would hit CTRL-F, which is "Find."  You'd enter that e-
mail, and lo and behold, you'd be whipped right to that post.  If 
you wanted to jump from one TBAY post to the next to the next, for 
example, you could do it quickly using Paul's Magical Document, but 
you still have to use Yahoo webview to actually read the messages.

For cataloguing, you could use it if you were going along on some 
dreadful thread, and you wanted to know if the thread is finished or 
whether someone is going to revive it 25 posts later, 'cause if the 
thread is through, you'll want to pick the best of the dreadful 
posts for the catalogue and then move on to the next thing.  Other 
than that, I don't think you really need to worry about Paul's 
Marvelous Magical document right now.  


Cindy -- who is not very competent at all in Excel, but who is 
learning quite a lot by manipulating Paul's document.




From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  1 01:33:12 2002
From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:33:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: forward planning
In-Reply-To: <anaqfh+92df@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021001013312.63733.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, all.

This probably isn't a good time to mention it, but....

Once the Snape FAQ is done, I'm stepping back from the
team until the symposium is over. I just need to
simplify, and while I really want to finish up Snape
way soon, I have to start cutting things out if I'm
going to survive 'til next year. Sorry.

Gwen

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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Tue Oct  1 01:45:54 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:45:54 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning, Snape FAQ
In-Reply-To: <20021001013312.63733.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <861FB727-D4DF-11D6-B97F-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Gwen wrote:

> Once the Snape FAQ is done, I'm stepping back from the
> team until the symposium is over.

Well, you probably deserve a giant retirement package for all the effort 
you've put into it so far. And I'm sure the Symposium people will greatly 
value your sanity. :-)

Speaking of the Snape FAQ, I want to assure everyone I'm actively editing 
sections even as we speak. I wanted to get something posted by now but, um,
  <Porphyria cranks up the Random Excuse Generator> yesterday was our first 
year wedding anniversary and our house has been infested with fleas. So as 
you can plainly tell, I've been very busy eating unfrozen wedding cake and 
scratching myself. (OK, just like a normal weekend for me...)

But I hope to have edited sections posted within a few days.

Also, regarding my anniversary, I got my husband to buy me BBEdit for my 
home computer as an anniversary present. I figured texteditor=paper, works 
for me! What this means to the rest of you is that I'll be an even bigger 
whiz with HTML editing once I get going.

~Porphyria


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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Tue Oct  1 02:01:34 2002
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:01:34 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning
Message-ID: <F19Kxt8zPdqJL947FR7000002ee@hotmail.com>

>Hi, all.
>
>This probably isn't a good time to mention it, but....
>
>Once the Snape FAQ is done, I'm stepping back from the
>team until the symposium is over. I just need to
>simplify, and while I really want to finish up Snape
>way soon, I have to start cutting things out if I'm
>going to survive 'til next year. Sorry.
>
>Gwen
>
>
(She's worked like a dog on both the Snape FAQ *and* the Symposium and she 
says she's sorry she has to maintain her sanity)  Don't be sorry, Gwen.  
Your Herculean effort (on both counts) is much appreciated.  Besides, 
keeping one's sanity is A Good Thing!

Parker



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 14:58:23 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:58:23 -0000
Subject: Cataloging backups
Message-ID: <ancd6f+k2lg@eGroups.com>

Folks:

I've create a folder called "InProgress."  It's probably a good idea
to save a copy of whatever document you're using to do the cataloging
here, periodically, so that we have a backup.  It might also help us
to see what other categories people are using, etc.

--Dicentra, finding that she works at the rate of 30 posts/hour (yeesh!)




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 16:36:45 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:36:45 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing
Message-ID: <anciut+hbmt@eGroups.com>

Query:

The batch of posts I'm doing start on September 12th 2001, and for 
obvious reasons there are a huge number of off-topic posts.

Should I treat these as simply off-topic and ignore them unless they 
make a connection between HP and September 11th?

Or should I treat them as part of the history of the HPFGU community 
and catalogue them under the topic 'September 11th'?

Any thoughts?

Pip!Squeak




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  1 17:05:34 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:05:34 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <anciut+hbmt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anckku+2cqf@eGroups.com>

Pip:

> Should I treat these as simply off-topic and ignore them unless 
>they  make a connection between HP and September 11th?

I think you can skip them as being OT.  Especially since they are 
very easy to find when one wants to locate them.

Cindy -- taking a deep breath and about to start cataloguing




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  1 17:33:53 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:33:53 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing -- Yet Another Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <anckku+2cqf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ancma1+526d@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.

How about we agree not to put periods in any acronyms?  So LOON, not 
L.O.O.N?

Cindy -- whipped after cataloguing 4 posts, but part of the 
exhaustion was from the frustration of creating a spreadsheet 




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 19:00:18 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra at xmission.com)
Date: Tue,  1 Oct 2002 13:00:18 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing -- Yet Another Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <ancma1+526d@eGroups.com>
References: <ancma1+526d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1033498818.3d99f0c21af46@webmail.xmission.com>

Quoting "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>:
> Hi, all.
> 
> How about we agree not to put periods in any acronyms?  So LOON, not  L.O.O.N?

I'm all for that!

> Cindy -- whipped after cataloguing 4 posts, but part of the  
> exhaustion was from the frustration of creating a spreadsheet 
 
Er, if you don't mind my asking: what frustration?  AFAIK, you put the
column names in the first row, and there you are.

Just as a tip to help your life go better, in Excel you can automatically
fill in the message numbers and save yourself loads of grief.  Type in the
first two numbers (37000 and 37001, for example) in the first two rows. 
Then select the two cells in which those numbers reside.  At the lower-right
corner is a little black square.  Click on that, and your cursor turns to a
black cross.  Then drag the black square as far down that first column as
you need.  Be careful, though.  For reasons beyond my understanding, if you
click and drag and touch the bottom of the window, it scrolls down
automatically at lightning speed, even after you release the button (In
Windows 98, anyway).  I had to go back and delete a bunch of numbers, but I
still had the 10,000 I needed.  Woohoo!

Also, you can select the first number in the list, then go to Window on the
main menu and select "Freeze Panes."  That way, the column headers don't
disappear when you page down.

--Dicey



From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 19:17:38 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:17:38 -0000
Subject: Cataloging Terms Table
Message-ID: <ancsci+3kco@eGroups.com>

Hi:

I've created a table (with Cindy's blessing) that contains terms that
I've been using in cataloging.  It doesn't have the character names or
obvious other terms (Hogwarts), just the topics for which it is likely
we might all come up with different names.

Please enter topic names into the database as you come up with them. 
If you find a synonym for your topic name already there, mention it in
this forum, and we can battle it out as to which of the two terms
should be used.

Ultimitely, we can use this database to show FAQers which topic names
they can search on.  It can also serve to help people come up with
topic names as they catalog.

Make sense?

--Dicey, who usually doesn't






From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  1 19:53:04 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Cataloging Terms Table
In-Reply-To: <ancsci+3kco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021001195304.75464.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>

Dicey wrote:

> I've created a table (with Cindy's blessing) that
> contains terms that
> I've been using in cataloging.  It doesn't have the
> character names or
> obvious other terms (Hogwarts), just the topics for
> which it is likely
> we might all come up with different names.
> 

Can we change this table to have only one very long
column?  Unless I'm missing something, there's no way
to alphabetize the whole thing and thus see at a
glance what's there and what isn't.

Amy 

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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct  1 19:59:47 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:59:47 -0000
Subject: Cataloging Terms Table
In-Reply-To: <ancsci+3kco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ancurj+hduj@eGroups.com>

I bow to Dicey's genius. This is going to be a very useful model.
Again, though, should I use "Chapter Discussion" as a keyword or
"Chapter X" as a keyword.

Eileen, who is sitting down to tackle the apparent wonders of Excel 

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I've created a table (with Cindy's blessing) that contains terms that
> I've been using in cataloging.  It doesn't have the character names or
> obvious other terms (Hogwarts), just the topics for which it is likely
> we might all come up with different names.
> 
> Please enter topic names into the database as you come up with them. 
> If you find a synonym for your topic name already there, mention it in
> this forum, and we can battle it out as to which of the two terms
> should be used.
> 
> Ultimitely, we can use this database to show FAQers which topic names
> they can search on.  It can also serve to help people come up with
> topic names as they catalog.
> 
> Make sense?
> 
> --Dicey, who usually doesn't




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct  1 20:17:47 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:17:47 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing -- Yet Another Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1033498818.3d99f0c21af46@webmail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <ancvtb+hhn7@eGroups.com>

Err.... I'm beginning to get Excel I think, but how do you black out a
line like you're doing in your catalogue?

Eileen

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., dicentra at x wrote:
> Quoting "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...>:
> > Hi, all.
> > 
> > How about we agree not to put periods in any acronyms?  So LOON,
not  L.O.O.N?
> 
> I'm all for that!
> 
> > Cindy -- whipped after cataloguing 4 posts, but part of the  
> > exhaustion was from the frustration of creating a spreadsheet 
>  
> Er, if you don't mind my asking: what frustration?  AFAIK, you put the
> column names in the first row, and there you are.
> 
> Just as a tip to help your life go better, in Excel you can
automatically
> fill in the message numbers and save yourself loads of grief.  Type
in the
> first two numbers (37000 and 37001, for example) in the first two rows. 
> Then select the two cells in which those numbers reside.  At the
lower-right
> corner is a little black square.  Click on that, and your cursor
turns to a
> black cross.  Then drag the black square as far down that first
column as
> you need.  Be careful, though.  For reasons beyond my understanding,
if you
> click and drag and touch the bottom of the window, it scrolls down
> automatically at lightning speed, even after you release the button (In
> Windows 98, anyway).  I had to go back and delete a bunch of
numbers, but I
> still had the 10,000 I needed.  Woohoo!
> 
> Also, you can select the first number in the list, then go to Window
on the
> main menu and select "Freeze Panes."  That way, the column headers don't
> disappear when you page down.
> 
> --Dicey




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Tue Oct  1 21:04:23 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:04:23 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up  & cataloguing
Message-ID: <23.25271811.2acb67d7@aol.com>

This sounds even more stupid and I'm even more behind times because I wrote 
this and was about to post it just before going out to class and then no. 1 
child had a homework crisis and I forgot to hit send and.................


OK. I've just read Eileen's questions (which weren't in the least obvious to 
me) and Cindy's reply and I'm going to up the stakes in the who asks the 
dumbest questions competition. Bear with me; I'll get there in the end, but 
all this computing stuff's a bit of a steep learning curve for a 
non-technical oldie like me!
(Oh those innocent days somewhat less than a year ago when I didn't even know 
how to send an e-mail!  I'm not much furyther on now! How did I get myself 
into this mess?)

1) Where is the archive of posts which Cindy told me is available? Or do I 
just work from the webview posts?
2) How do I download/create a document in which to work? (I don't do 
spreadsheets - yet!)
3) How do I upload what I've done?


Please remember that I only have MS Works available (not having had the 
foresight to ask my husband for software for *my* wedding anniversary last 
week! Actually, I've been married so long that I apparently don't qualify for 
anything until the next 'significant' anniversary, which in my case will be 
20 years. Yikes!)


Regarding keywords...

I've been thinking of topics that I might have difficulty classifying, or 
which seem to tie into a larger theme.

Do you think we should have a keyword for posts which deal with Wizarding 
culture and attitudes? For instance, 'Toughness', 'Real Wizards Don't 
Apologise' or the current 'Shades of Godric's Hollow thread'? These could 
then have a second descriptive key such as Housism, classism or attitudes to 
Muggles, etc., if appropriate. (Presumably topics that relate to the 'Social 
Issues' FAQ).

I'm kind of aware (for obvious reasons) of there being a number of posts on 
quite varied topics explaining British cultural issues. 
Some of these are likely to be classified primarily under other keywords, 
OTOH others are merely a matter of exchange of cultural information 
(explanation of vocabulary, phraseology, history, various recurrent whinges, 
like 'graduation', etc). Would it be useful if these had a common key? 

Then, of course, there's the recurrent theme of edition differences, both 
UK/US and differences between different printings within the same country, of 
which a number more have turned up recently. 

Oh...what about threads on reader attitudes? (Do readers like sychophants? 
'Bent women'?) 
Do they come under lit. theory?

Or, even worse, reader opinion (What would you do if you were headmaster of 
Hogwarts?). What do we do with those? 

And just to get this clear, from what Cindy said to Eileen, we're only 
cataloguing posts which say something significant, yes? If they say something 
worthwhile on the thread?

To be honest, no matter how carefully we try to plan this, I'm sure that as 
we go along, we're going to find some posts that are harder than others to 
catalogue. As long as we bring these things to the attention of the group and 
share our solutions, the guidelines can be updated as we go along, can't 
they? 

Eloise
(who would love to have a go at the Character Names FAQ when we have time to 
get round to such abstruse things, if no-one else has bagsied it first!)




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:04:52 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra at xmission.com)
Date: Tue,  1 Oct 2002 15:04:52 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing -- Yet Another Suggestion
In-Reply-To: <ancvtb+hhn7@eGroups.com>
References: <ancvtb+hhn7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1033506292.3d9a0df44d0fe@webmail.xmission.com>

Quoting lucky_kari <lucky_kari at yahoo.ca>:
 
> Err.... I'm beginning to get Excel I think, but how do you black out a
> line like you're doing in your catalogue?
> 
1. Click the numbered square at the beginning of the row you want to black
out.  It should select the whole row.

2. Do one of the following (a or b):

a. From the main menu, select Format => Cells...  The Format Cells dialog
box appears.  Select the "Patterns" tab.  Select the desired color and click OK.

b. Locate the icon that looks like a bucket of paint with a colored line
below it.  (It should be on the left side or along the top somewhere.) Click
the little "down" arrow on its right.  Select the desired color.

If you use option b, the line below the bucket icon will turn the color you
selected.  Now, all you have to do is select the row and click directly on
the bucket to fill in the row.

If you color in a line and want to un-color it, go back to the color menu
and select "no fill" instead of a color.

Have fun!

--Dicey



From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:07:01 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra at xmission.com)
Date: Tue,  1 Oct 2002 15:07:01 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Cataloging Terms Table
In-Reply-To: <20021001195304.75464.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021001195304.75464.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1033506421.3d9a0e7563fbb@webmail.xmission.com>

Quoting Amy Z <lupinesque at yahoo.com>:
> 
> Can we change this table to have only one very long 
> column?  Unless I'm missing something, there's no way 
> to alphabetize the whole thing and thus see at a
> glance what's there and what isn't.

Yeah, I was wondering how that was going to work. I think one long column
will have to be the thing, even though it takes longer to fill in terms that
way. I was simply thinking about not wasting space (as if virtual space
could be wasted).

I'll see to it.

--Dicey




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:24:27 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra at xmission.com)
Date: Tue,  1 Oct 2002 15:24:27 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up  & cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <23.25271811.2acb67d7@aol.com>
References: <23.25271811.2acb67d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1033507467.3d9a128b6c7c7@webmail.xmission.com>

Quoting eloiseherisson at aol.com:

> 2) How do I download/create a document in which to work? (I don't do  
> spreadsheets - yet!)

I have a very old copy of MS Works (from Windows 3.11), and IIRC, when you
open it up it asks you what kind of document you want to use.  "Spreadsheet"
is one of the options, so you click that.  Up comes a blank spreadsheet. 
(Don't be intimidated by it, it's just rows and columns, that's all. :D)  In
the first row, put the column names. (Number, Topic, Topic, Topic, Comment
is what I have.) You can get from one cell (square) to another by hitting
Tab (that moves you left to right.)  You can also use the arrow keys to go
up or down, or you can use the mouse to get around.

After you have put your column names into the first row, click on the very
first cell of row 2.  Then select Window => Freeze Panes.  A black line
should show up under the column names.  See a previous post (today) that
tells how to get the post numbers filled in automatically.
> 
> 3) How do I upload what I've done?

In Webview, click Files on the left-hand menu.  Then click the folder in
which you want to put your work. ("InProgress" is the name.)  Click "Add
File."  You should get two fields and a button called "Browse."  Click
Browse and look for where you've put your file. (I recommend saving it on
your desktop or in My Documents or whatever they're calling it these days to
make it easy to find.)  Select your document and click the Open button. Your
filename should appear in the top window.  In the bottom window, type "XXX's
cataloging to date" or some such thing.  Then click "Upload File."  Ta Da!

When it's time to upload an updated copy of the file, you'll have to delete
the previous copy.  Yahoo won't overwrite files.  Use the delete button next
to your file (on the far right) to delete your file.  Then upload the
updated copy the same as with the original.
 
Eloise: 
Regarding keywords...

I've been thinking of topics that I might have difficulty classifying, or
which seem to tie into a larger theme. Do you think we should have a keyword
for posts which deal with Wizarding culture and attitudes? For instance,
'Toughness', 'Real Wizards Don't  Apologise' or the current 'Shades of
Godric's Hollow thread'? These could then have a second descriptive key such
as Housism, classism or attitudes to Muggles, etc., if appropriate.
(Presumably topics that relate to the 'Social Issues' FAQ).

Dicey:
If you look at my catalog, you'll see that I get fairly granular with regard
to the topics.  I have things like Life Debt and Mercy and QWC and Acronym
(for the post where it's first coined).  I think that if you come across a
topic that isn't limited to that post or that thread, you should use a
keyword for it.  Look first in the table for topic names, though, in case
someone has come up with something you need already (don't want too many
synonyms floating around, right?).

--Dicey, hoping that helped



From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct  1 21:28:35 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:28:35 -0000
Subject: "Edition" as a keyword
Message-ID: <and423+45ok@eGroups.com>

Dicey, thanks for all the help! I'm really beginning to like Excel.

How about "Edition" as a keyword for American vs. British editions
discussions?

Eileen




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:33:58 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:33:58 -0000
Subject: Cataloging Terms Table
In-Reply-To: <1033506421.3d9a0e7563fbb@webmail.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <and4c6+j32p@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., dicentra at x wrote:
> Quoting Amy Z <lupinesque at y...>:
> > 
> > Can we change this table to have only one very long 
> > column?  Unless I'm missing something, there's no way 
> > to alphabetize the whole thing and thus see at a
> > glance what's there and what isn't.
> 
> Yeah, I was wondering how that was going to work. I think one long
column
> will have to be the thing, even though it takes longer to fill in
terms that
> way. I was simply thinking about not wasting space (as if virtual space
> could be wasted).
> 
> I'll see to it.
> 
Done.  It's now one long column.

--Dicey




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:35:06 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:35:06 -0000
Subject: "Edition" as a keyword
In-Reply-To: <and423+45ok@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <and4ea+9gj7@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> Dicey, thanks for all the help! I'm really beginning to like Excel.
> 
> How about "Edition" as a keyword for American vs. British editions
> discussions?
> 
I don't see why not.

--Dicey




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  1 21:43:19 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:43:19 -0000
Subject: "Edition" as a keyword
In-Reply-To: <and4ea+9gj7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <and4tn+sd1d@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> > Dicey, thanks for all the help! I'm really beginning to like Excel.
> > 
> > How about "Edition" as a keyword for American vs. British editions
> > discussions?
> > 
> I don't see why not.
> 
Oh wait! Did you want me to input that or were you going to?  You
might as well.  Just select "Database" from the left-hand menu, select
the "Cataloging Topic Terms" database, click "Add record," type the
word into the field, and click "Save Record."

By the by, I just figured out how to put lots of terms into the
database at once.  This is what you do.

In a document such as Word or Notepad, put the list of words you want
to add in a long column with a hard return at the end, like this:

Put-Outer
Final Battle
Nimbus 2000
SOPE
War
Justice
Slavery
Life Debt
Duelling
Shrieking Shack

They don't have to be in any particular order.

After you've selected the "Cataloging Topic Terms" database, click
"Import Records."  You'll see a big square field called "Data."  Cut
and paste your terms into this field, then click "Import Data."  All
your terms get put into the database, slick as a whistle.

--Dicey, who thinks a Help document with all this stuff in one place
is in order




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct  1 21:50:18 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:50:18 -0000
Subject: "Edition" as a keyword
In-Reply-To: <and4tn+sd1d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <and5aq+gv0f@eGroups.com>

Don't worry. I put it in. I agree a file with all this together would
be quite nice. 

------------------------------------------------------

Summary of my first day of Cataloguing:

1. I'm still not sure what to do with the Chapter Discussions posts.
2. Excel is an amazing program and I don't know how I've lived without
it all these years.
3. Cataloguing posts can sometimes be hilarious, especially when the
comment is "Bertha saw half-dementor Snape "Kissing" Florence"
(Cindy's theory) 

Now, after cataloguing a grand total of about 13 posts, I shall go off
and relax in the Common Room.

Eileen


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> > --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> > > Dicey, thanks for all the help! I'm really beginning to like Excel.
> > > 
> > > How about "Edition" as a keyword for American vs. British editions
> > > discussions?
> > > 
> > I don't see why not.
> > 
> Oh wait! Did you want me to input that or were you going to?  You
> might as well.  Just select "Database" from the left-hand menu, select
> the "Cataloging Topic Terms" database, click "Add record," type the
> word into the field, and click "Save Record."
> 
> By the by, I just figured out how to put lots of terms into the
> database at once.  This is what you do.
> 
> In a document such as Word or Notepad, put the list of words you want
> to add in a long column with a hard return at the end, like this:
> 
> Put-Outer
> Final Battle
> Nimbus 2000
> SOPE
> War
> Justice
> Slavery
> Life Debt
> Duelling
> Shrieking Shack
> 
> They don't have to be in any particular order.
> 
> After you've selected the "Cataloging Topic Terms" database, click
> "Import Records."  You'll see a big square field called "Data."  Cut
> and paste your terms into this field, then click "Import Data."  All
> your terms get put into the database, slick as a whistle.
> 
> --Dicey, who thinks a Help document with all this stuff in one place
> is in order




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  1 22:50:34 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:50:34 -0000
Subject: "Chapter" as a Keyword (WAS "Edition" as a keyword)
In-Reply-To: <and5aq+gv0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <and8rq+8kue@eGroups.com>

Dicey, thanks so much for handling all of these questions!  I was 
going to respond "Don't look at me; ask Dicey."  You saved me the 
trouble.

*************

Eileen reports from the FAQ Room Hot Tub:

> 1. I'm still not sure what to do with the Chapter Discussions 
>posts.

I'd suggest using the Key Word "Chapter" *and* using Key Words for 
each subject discussed.  You'll probably need a dozen key words to 
do one Chapter Discussion, so put them on multiple lines.  


> 2. Excel is an amazing program and I don't know how I've lived 
>without it all these years.

Yes, it is, although it uses lots of weird jargon and the help 
instructions are very little help, if you ask me.  I'm not good with 
Excel, but I figured that I'd make myself use it for this project.  
See how FAQing broadens your horizons?  ;-)

::Cindy pauses to add "Proficient in Excel" to her resume::


> 3. Cataloguing posts can sometimes be hilarious, especially when 
>the comment is "Bertha saw half-dementor Snape "Kissing" Florence"
> (Cindy's theory) 

Actually, my feeling is that cataloguing posts is *highly* 
embarrassing.  The first post I catalogued today was someone 
responding to one of my old and very lame posts.  Gah!

> Now, after cataloguing a grand total of about 13 posts, 

13?  You did *13?*  Oh, you're a regular Speedy Gonazalez, 
Eileen.  ;-)

Cindy -- still in single digits





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  1 23:03:24 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:03:24 -0000
Subject: Catching up  & cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <23.25271811.2acb67d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <and9js+7uut@eGroups.com>

Eloise:

>I'm going to up the stakes in the who asks the 
> dumbest questions competition. 

Oh, you don't stand a chance against me, Eloise.  Sorry 'bout 
that.  ;-)

> 1) Where is the archive of posts which Cindy told me is available? 
>Or do I just work from the webview posts?

I'm just working from webview for now because the archives are more 
searchable, but the format is weird, IMHO.

How do you get these archives?  

Well, you ask Dicey.  That's what I did a few weeks back, and this 
is what she wrote off-list:

***************

Cindy

> Can someone remind me how I get my hands on the archives of 
>messages?

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives1/

Click on Files (no messages) and get the 10,000-message zips.  They 
might take some time to download, but if you keep them on your hard 
drive, you'll always have them.

******************

I, er, haven't had the courage to tell Dicey that I tried this and 
couldn't get it to work.  <wince>

Eloise:

> Do you think we should have a keyword for posts which deal with 
>Wizarding culture and attitudes? For instance, 'Toughness', 'Real 
>Wizards 

I think we should all use as potential key words things 
like "culture", "British", "social" and such.  I agree that 
classifying some of the more esoteric posts might be a challenge, so 
we'll want plenty of key words so they don't fall of the radar.  

So, just for instance, a post discussing the word "bagsied" would 
definitely take the Key Word "British."  ;-)

>Actually, I've been married so long that I apparently don't qualify 
>for anything until the next 'significant' anniversary, which in my 
>case will be 20 years. Yikes!)

I just had my anniversary.  Let's see, let me take an inventory of 
all this cool loot!  We went to see the movie "Barbershop," we had 
middling sushi at the place that never seems to have any customers 
and so has quick service, and I got a new light blue running shirt, 
but the sleeves are a bit too long.

I should have asked for HTML.  That's one size fits all.  ;-)

Cindy





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  2 00:00:22 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:00:22 -0000
Subject: Doing Cartwheels, Splits and Some of Those Backflip Things!
Message-ID: <andcum+9nsm@eGroups.com>

Yeeeee-haaaawwww!

I finished the History FAQ this morning!  <wipes sweat from brow>  
It's maybe 24 pages of narrative with some appendices on the back.  
And lots and lots and lots of hot links, eventually.

Penny will tweak it, I'll ask a few others for feedback, and then 
I'll upload the next draft here for input from you all.

And, by my count, we have catalogued over *100* posts!  

Oh, yeah!  We so totally *rock!*

Cindy -- taking the night off to watch the PBS series on segregation







From editor at texas.net  Wed Oct  2 00:23:31 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:23:31 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning, Snape FAQ
References: <861FB727-D4DF-11D6-B97F-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c269a9$f0d9f2c0$d67663d1@texas.net>

This reminds me. Gwen, you'd sent me a section of Snape stuff to edit eons
ago, and it got lost in the shuffle, and I had emailed in July or August
asking if you still needed me to do it or if you'd snared another
victim.....so, do you still need me to do it? Or have you snared another
victim?

--Amanda

----- Original Message -----
From: "Porphyria" <porphyria at mindspring.com>
To: <HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning, Snape FAQ


> Gwen wrote:
>
> > Once the Snape FAQ is done, I'm stepping back from the
> > team until the symposium is over.
>
> Well, you probably deserve a giant retirement package for all the effort
> you've put into it so far. And I'm sure the Symposium people will greatly
> value your sanity. :-)
>
> Speaking of the Snape FAQ, I want to assure everyone I'm actively editing
> sections even as we speak. I wanted to get something posted by now but,
um,
>   <Porphyria cranks up the Random Excuse Generator> yesterday was our
first
> year wedding anniversary and our house has been infested with fleas. So as
> you can plainly tell, I've been very busy eating unfrozen wedding cake and
> scratching myself. (OK, just like a normal weekend for me...)
>
> But I hope to have edited sections posted within a few days.
>
> Also, regarding my anniversary, I got my husband to buy me BBEdit for my
> home computer as an anniversary present. I figured texteditor=paper, works
> for me! What this means to the rest of you is that I'll be an even bigger
> whiz with HTML editing once I get going.
>
> ~Porphyria
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at egroups.com
>
>
>
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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Oct  2 00:28:52 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:28:52 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Doing Cartwheels, Splits and Some of Those Backflip Things!
In-Reply-To: <andcum+9nsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c269aa$b26dc3d0$0201a8c0@Frodo>

Cindy, you deserve a medal - and possibly a tiara. I can't wait to read
thi

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy C. [mailto:cindysphynx at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:00 PM
> To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Doing Cartwheels, Splits and Some of 
> Those Backflip Things!
> 
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
> 
> Yeeeee-haaaawwww!
> 
> I finished the History FAQ this morning!  <wipes sweat from brow>  
> It's maybe 24 pages of narrative with some appendices on the back.  
> And lots and lots and lots of hot links, eventually.
> 
> Penny will tweak it, I'll ask a few others for feedback, and then 
> I'll upload the next draft here for input from you all.
> 
> And, by my count, we have catalogued over *100* posts!  
> 
> Oh, yeah!  We so totally *rock!*
> 
> Cindy -- taking the night off to watch the PBS series on segregation
> 
> 
> 
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From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  2 01:16:52 2002
From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning, Snape FAQ
In-Reply-To: <000f01c269a9$f0d9f2c0$d67663d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20021002011652.31119.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com>

Erm... I think Porphyria jumped on it... but just to
be certain, do you recall which message numbers it
was?

Gwen (who rather hopes we took care of it...cause I'd
hate to have splice in more commentary)


--- Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> This reminds me. Gwen, you'd sent me a section of
> Snape stuff to edit eons
> ago, and it got lost in the shuffle, and I had
> emailed in July or August
> asking if you still needed me to do it or if you'd
> snared another
> victim.....so, do you still need me to do it? Or
> have you snared another
> victim?
> 
> --Amanda
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Porphyria" <porphyria at mindspring.com>
> To: <HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP4GU-FAQ] forward planning, Snape FAQ
> 
> 
> > Gwen wrote:
> >
> > > Once the Snape FAQ is done, I'm stepping back
> from the
> > > team until the symposium is over.
> >
> > Well, you probably deserve a giant retirement
> package for all the effort
> > you've put into it so far. And I'm sure the
> Symposium people will greatly
> > value your sanity. :-)
> >
> > Speaking of the Snape FAQ, I want to assure
> everyone I'm actively editing
> > sections even as we speak. I wanted to get
> something posted by now but,
> um,
> >   <Porphyria cranks up the Random Excuse
> Generator> yesterday was our
> first
> > year wedding anniversary and our house has been
> infested with fleas. So as
> > you can plainly tell, I've been very busy eating
> unfrozen wedding cake and
> > scratching myself. (OK, just like a normal weekend
> for me...)
> >
> > But I hope to have edited sections posted within a
> few days.
> >
> > Also, regarding my anniversary, I got my husband
> to buy me BBEdit for my
> > home computer as an anniversary present. I figured
> texteditor=paper, works
> > for me! What this means to the rest of you is that
> I'll be an even bigger
> > whiz with HTML editing once I get going.
> >
> > ~Porphyria
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
> >
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> >
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From pbnesbit at msn.com  Wed Oct  2 01:30:17 2002
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (Parker Brown Nesbit)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:30:17 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Doing Cartwheels, Splits and Some of Those Backflip Things!
Message-ID: <F3kA1Qcaz5cBG83Fn0400016102@hotmail.com>

>
>Yeeeee-haaaawwww!
>
>I finished the History FAQ this morning!  <wipes sweat from brow>
>It's maybe 24 pages of narrative with some appendices on the back.
>And lots and lots and lots of hot links, eventually.

::Gives Cindy a standing ovation::  Way to go Cindy!
>
>Penny will tweak it, I'll ask a few others for feedback, and then
>I'll upload the next draft here for input from you all.

Wonderful--*this* is the FAQ I've been waiting to read more than any of the 
others.
>
>>Cindy -- taking the night off to watch the PBS series on segregation
>
>
Parker, who's going to watch that too
>
>
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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  2 02:28:43 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:28:43 -0000
Subject: More Thoughts on Chapter Summaries
Message-ID: <andlks+8vsk@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Following on to Eileen's question about Chapter summaries, I decided 
to go have a look at one.  Maybe we should talk a bit about how we 
handle them so that we don't make extra work for ourselves.  

Below is a chapter summary (Message 19710) written by Amy Z (man, I 
just love Paul's Magical Spreadsheet -- it makes it so easy to find 
things now).  I have snipped it down, and I have comments at the 
bottom:

************

Chapter 10 The Marauder's Map

Chapter 10 opens with Harry spending the rest of the weekend in the 
hospital 
wing, recuperating from his fall. He has lots of visitors, but 
doesn't tell 
anyone about seeing the Grim a second time or what he heard when the 
Dementors were on the pitch, which, he now realizes, were his 
mother's dying 
moments.

After the next DADA class, Lupin tells him he's sorry about the loss 
(of the 
game and his broom) and Harry finally asks why he's the only person 
affected 
so strongly by the Dementors. "Because you have horrors in your past 
the 
others don't have," Lupin says, explaining that Dementors suck out 
happy 
feelings and leave their victims with only their worst memories; 
Harry tells 
him what they make him hear. As they talk about Azkaban and Black's 
escape, 
Harry recalls that Lupin had some way of repelling the Dementor on 
the train 
and asks him to teach it to him, and Lupin agrees to begin after 
Christmas.

<big snip>

Questions:

1. It occurs to Harry that the Marauder's Map may be a Dark object; 
it puts 
him in mind of Mr. Weasley's dictum about mysterious magical 
objects, and he 
hesitates to use it, but overcomes his doubts "quite suddenly, as 
though 
following orders." What do you make of the pull the Map seems to 
have on 
him?

2. If you could buy one treat at Honeydukes, what would it be?

3. What do you think--=does= Sirius get into Hogwarts by the secret 
passages? If not, how?

<snip more questions>

**************

I'm starting to think that we don't want to use lots of key words 
for the Chapter Summary itself.  I think maybe we want to use key 
words for the various replies because they do discuss canon, but 
would it be sufficient in the above example simply to catalogue 
Amy's post as "Chapter" and "PoA 10"?

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Oct  2 04:14:38 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 04:14:38 -0000
Subject: Help File
Message-ID: <andrre+iik5@eGroups.com>

For those of you still struggling with the technical side of things,
I've prepared a help file that shows you how to use Excel, input terms
into the database, and upload files to the site.

It's called ExcelHelp.htm.  Any more questions, direct them to me.

--Dicey, putting her lone marketable skills to use




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Oct  2 06:03:01 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:03:01 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up  & cataloguing
Message-ID: <12e.1883821f.2acbe615@aol.com>


> Dicey:
> If you look at my catalog, you'll see that I get fairly granular with 
> regard
> to the topics.  <>

Only trouble is, I can't! I don't have Excel (have I mentioned that? ;-) ) 
and the only programme my computer will use to open it is Wordpad, where it 
doesn't look quite right! I guess the little squares are empty cells, but 
it's not exactly easy to interpret!
I do see you have some fairly long descriptive things (are those in the 
'comments' column?), but honestly I wouldn't have the foggiest what's where 
in the table as it doesn't come out as one.
I have the same problem with Paul's Magical Document - and everyone else's 
catalogues - which makes me feel a little as if I'm going to be working in 
the dark.
I'm beginning to think I'd better bite the bullet and buy myself a late 
anniversary present! At least my kids know how to use Excel (though they're 
not very good at explaining!).

Eloise
Beginning to understand how Squibs feel.
Anyone got a Kwikspell course they don't need?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Oct  2 13:39:19 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:39:19 -0000
Subject: Catching up  & cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <12e.1883821f.2acbe615@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anesu7+g74a@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> 
> > Dicey:
> > If you look at my catalog, you'll see that I get fairly granular with 
> > regard
> > to the topics.  <>
> 
> Only trouble is, I can't! I don't have Excel (have I mentioned that?
;-) ) 

Ah!  I thought MS Works included a version of it.  

This is what you can do, then.

Open up a word processor document. Create a table with five columns:
Number, Topic, Topic, Topic, Comments.  Fill in that table with your
cataloging.  It can easily be transferred to Excel later on.

Does that work?

--Dicey




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  2 14:33:12 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:33:12 -0000
Subject: Catching up  & cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <anesu7+g74a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anf038+ko8n@eGroups.com>

Dicey:

 
> Open up a word processor document. Create a table with five 
>columns:  Number, Topic, Topic, Topic, Comments.  

But how will Eloise be able to read and use everyone else's Excel 
spreadsheets when it comes time to start writing FAQs?  Can Excel 
spreadsheets be converted into Word tables?

Cindy 




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Oct  2 14:38:32 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:38:32 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up  & cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <anf038+ko8n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c26a21$65029bd0$0201a8c0@Frodo>

You can go here:
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx - and down load
a program which will let you view EXCEL documents on a computer that
doesn't have excel installed. You can't edit or anything but you can
read and print. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy C. [mailto:cindysphynx at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up & cataloguing
> 
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
> 
> Dicey:
> 
>  
> > Open up a word processor document. Create a table with five
> >columns:  Number, Topic, Topic, Topic, Comments.  
> 
> But how will Eloise be able to read and use everyone else's Excel 
> spreadsheets when it comes time to start writing FAQs?  Can Excel 
> spreadsheets be converted into Word tables?
> 
> Cindy 
> 
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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 18:06:48 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:06:48 -0000
Subject: Keyword for "Head in Fire"
Message-ID: <anfcjo+sl7d@eGroups.com>

First of all, isn't Dicey priceless? 

Second, thanks Cindy for the directive on Chapter Discussions.

Thirdly, I can't for the life of me think of a keyword for the "Head
in Fire" thing Amos Digory and Sirius Black use in GoF. It's not
exactly "Floo" and in fact, there's some posts devoted to the
difference. But can anyone think of a good alternative to "Head in Fire?"

Eileen, who is determined to get through 100 posts today




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 19:02:37 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:02:37 -0000
Subject: Order of the Phoenix
Message-ID: <anffsd+g9qf@eGroups.com>

How do we distinguish Order of the Phoenix: the book from Order of the
Phoenix: The Order in keywords?

Eileen




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Oct  2 19:26:25 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:26:25 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Catching up  & cataloguing
Message-ID: <85.2210feb3.2acca261@aol.com>

Thanks for all the help, guys!
I'd got quite excited about the prospect of working in Excel, after reading 
Dicey's wonderful help file, but now I don't need to: thanks to Heidi, I can 
now view Excel files. :-)
I also got very excited, as I followed the instructions to find the archives 
and the first one I tried to open (m32000-32999) worked straight away. 
(Someone else who needs to get out more!)
BUT, when I tried to open the one on which I intend to work, I couldn't do 
it. I  then tried downloading it onto my hard disc, and my computer tells me 
that it's successfully transferred, but when I try to find it, it's not 
there.
I similarly haven't been able to open any of the rest of the archive (I've 
only tried m32000 onwards). It *says* it's downloading, but that little blue 
progress meter thingy either doesn't appear, or apperas and disappears with 
nothing else happening. I can still open the first one.

Can anyone solve this? It looks so much easier to skim through the messages 
that way, without all the constant opening and closing and getting past 
adverts.

Eloise



From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 19:30:00 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:30:00 -0000
Subject: From Eileen Who Will Never Shut Up (But This Is Important!)
Message-ID: <anfhfo+d7d8@eGroups.com>

And it really is.

I suddenly stumbled across a recurrent category of posts that needs a
keyword. 

I'm talking about posts that examine readers' responses to the books.
Elkins's "Where's the Canon?" posts or in this case a post by Cindy
asking why people like to SHIP. 

"Theory" is already reserved for literary theory. What should we call
this?

Eileen




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Oct  2 19:30:18 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:30:18 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Order of the Phoenix
Message-ID: <7a.2dc797b1.2acca34a@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/10/2002 20:18:34 GMT Standard Time, lucky_kari at yahoo.ca 
writes:


> How do we distinguish Order of the Phoenix: the book from Order of the
> Phoenix: The Order in keywords?
> 
> 

Call the book, 'Book 5 (OoP)'?

Eloise


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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 19:39:46 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:39:46 -0000
Subject: FLINT vs. Flint
Message-ID: <anfi22+ucg6@eGroups.com>

Will the search function distinguish between uppercase and lowercase?
Otherwise, Marcus Flint may be indistinguishable from discussions of
FLINTs.

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  2 20:29:27 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:29:27 -0000
Subject: FLINT vs. Flint
In-Reply-To: <anfi22+ucg6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anfkv7+grk1@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

> Will the search function distinguish between uppercase and 
lowercase?
> Otherwise, Marcus Flint may be indistinguishable from discussions 
of
> FLINTs.


That's probably OK.  There isn't that much Marcus Flint discussion 
apart from LOON-style FLINT discussion.  So if an editor wants to 
pull up LOON-style FLINTs and gets a few Marcus posts sprinkled in, 
that's probably OK.  The comments section will tell the editor 
whether we're dealing with the student or a canon error.

Eloise:

> Call the book, 'Book 5 (OoP)'?

I just came across this as well, and I like this solution.

Eileen:

>I'm talking about posts that examine readers' responses to the 
>books. Elkins's "Where's the Canon?" posts or in this case a post 
>by Cindy asking why people like to SHIP. 

Perhaps "Analysis?"  Followed by other key words that clarify 
analysis of what, like "SHIPPING" or "Subversion."

Cindy 






From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 20:33:20 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:33:20 -0000
Subject: FLINT vs. Flint
In-Reply-To: <anfkv7+grk1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anfl6g+gsh6@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Eileen:
> 
> > Will the search function distinguish between uppercase and 
> lowercase?
> > Otherwise, Marcus Flint may be indistinguishable from discussions 
> of
> > FLINTs.
> 
> 
> That's probably OK.  There isn't that much Marcus Flint discussion 
> apart from LOON-style FLINT discussion.  So if an editor wants to 
> pull up LOON-style FLINTs and gets a few Marcus posts sprinkled in, 
> that's probably OK.  The comments section will tell the editor 
> whether we're dealing with the student or a canon error.

That sounds like a good and very kind idea. The Marcus Flint fans may
be outraged but oh well.... :-)

> 
> Eileen:
> 
> >I'm talking about posts that examine readers' responses to the 
> >books. Elkins's "Where's the Canon?" posts or in this case a post 
> >by Cindy asking why people like to SHIP. 
> 
> Perhaps "Analysis?"  Followed by other key words that clarify 
> analysis of what, like "SHIPPING" or "Subversion."

Is it supposed to be SHIPPING or SHIP? Analysis sounds good.

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  2 22:05:56 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:05:56 -0000
Subject: FLINT vs. Flint
In-Reply-To: <anfl6g+gsh6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anfqk4+b7fl@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

> Is it supposed to be SHIPPING or SHIP? Analysis sounds good.

I think either works.  If you search for "SHIP", you'll pick up both 
SHIP and SHIPPING, as well as SHIPPER.

Cindy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 23:09:04 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:09:04 -0000
Subject: Where is Message 28158?
Message-ID: <anfuag+7rbf@eGroups.com>

I may be hallucinating but it does not seem to be there. 

I'm not complaining (since I don't have to catalogue it), but how can
a message disappear? Has it been made unplottable?

Eileen, very puzzled




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Oct  2 23:11:58 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:11:58 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Where is Message 28158?
In-Reply-To: <anfuag+7rbf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c26a69$1ef24760$0201a8c0@Frodo>

Sometimes messages are deleted, either by the poster or by a mod. I
myself have deleted a few which provide things like links to infringing
material. It's gone - totally gone. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lucky_kari [mailto:lucky_kari at yahoo.ca] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:09 PM
> To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Where is Message 28158?
> 
> 
> Real-To:  "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at yahoo.ca>
> 
> I may be hallucinating but it does not seem to be there. 
> 
> I'm not complaining (since I don't have to catalogue it), but 
> how can a message disappear? Has it been made unplottable?
> 
> Eileen, very puzzled
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From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct  2 23:12:18 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:12:18 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Where is Message 28158?
In-Reply-To: <1033600149.4560@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>
Message-ID: <1033600344.13250@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>


lucky_kari said:

> I'm not complaining (since I don't have to catalogue it), but how can
> a message disappear? Has it been made unplottable?

It's entirely possible that it was deleted for various reasons (spam, IP
infringement, double post, etc.).

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.vu

"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
--Dylan Thomas
________________________________





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  2 23:20:29 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:20:29 -0000
Subject: Where is Message 28158?
In-Reply-To: <003d01c26a69$1ef24760$0201a8c0@Frodo>
Message-ID: <anfuvt+8uo4@eGroups.com>

Thanks John and Heidi. I do seem to be indulging in my Neville
Longbottom persona today. 

Eileen, very red-faced (as has been the case ever since the first
email came from Pippin asking her politely if she could read and if so
why hadn't she noticed GARABAGE SCOW in Inish Alley? Since then, the
day's been downhill.)

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> Sometimes messages are deleted, either by the poster or by a mod. I
> myself have deleted a few which provide things like links to infringing
> material. It's gone - totally gone. 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lucky_kari [mailto:lucky_kari at y...] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:09 PM
> > To: HP4GU-FAQ at y...
> > Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Where is Message 28158?
> > 
> > 
> > Real-To:  "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...>
> > 
> > I may be hallucinating but it does not seem to be there. 
> > 
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From john at walton.vu  Wed Oct  2 23:25:27 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:25:27 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Where is Message 28158?
In-Reply-To: <1033600827.24919@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>
Message-ID: <1033601132.93@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>


lucky_kari said:

> Thanks John and Heidi. I do seem to be indulging in my Neville
> Longbottom persona today.

*grins* Don't worry! The only way that any of us figured this stuff out was
by asking questions. After all, this is a FA*Q* board! *chuckle*

--John

________________________________

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"Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 00:00:29 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:00:29 -0000
Subject: British or American Spellings?
Message-ID: <ang1at+85f7@eGroups.com>

Sorry to bug you all again, but if there's a difference between
British and American spellings, which should we go with in our
cataloguing? I think we should definitely pick one else searching
terms such as Honour will involve searching twice. (And remembering
that you have to search twice.)

For British Spellings

1. The books are British. The world doesn't revolve around American
oddities. 

For American Spellings

1. I don't know if most of the FAQers may be American. 
2. British spellers are much more likely to remember American
spellings than Americans spellers are likely to remember British
spellings. 

To paraphrase Canada's first Prime Minister, John A. Macdonald, "A
British speller I was born. A British speller I will die."

However, I could live with both ways.

Eileen, who thinks Webster should thank his lucky stars he's dead and
out of my reach

P.S. What Macdonald actually said was "A British subject I was born. A
British subject I will die." 




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct  3 00:23:40 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:23:40 -0000
Subject: Where is Message 28158?
In-Reply-To: <anfuvt+8uo4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ang2mc+dddq@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> Thanks John and Heidi. I do seem to be indulging in my Neville
> Longbottom persona today. 
> 
> Eileen, very red-faced (as has been the case ever since the first
> email came from Pippin asking her politely if she could read and if so
> why hadn't she noticed GARABAGE SCOW in Inish Alley? Since then, the
> day's been downhill.)
> 
Dicey dons her tote bag (bottom cut out) and table-runner wrap and
sweeps into the room with a tray of eclairs in one hand and a cup of
hot cocoa in the other. She sets them down on the end table next to
Eileen, then plumps the pillow under Eileen's feet and rolls a little
wooden back massager up and down her back.  When Eileen begins to
relax and smile, Dicey leaves the room, but not before lighting a
lavender-scented candle.

--Dicey Elf, happy to serve all sirs who need it




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 02:52:39 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 02:52:39 -0000
Subject: British or American Spellings?
In-Reply-To: <ang1at+85f7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <angbdn+inmt@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

> Sorry to bug you all again, but if there's a difference between
> British and American spellings, which should we go with in our
> cataloguing? 

Well, I was thinking that we needn't be consistent on that, based on 
my understanding of how we'll use the catalogues.  

My understanding is that when we are finished, we'll have these 
giant tables/spreadsheets.  So let's say I'm writing the Harry FAQ 
and I have been charged with writing something about his eyes.  I 
would sit and think up logical key words, and then I'd flip through 
the list of key words to see if I missed anything.  

Then I'd sort the spreadsheet by column alphabetically.  The whole 
thing would re-arrange alphabetically, with Avery at the top and 
Yeti at the bottom.  "Colour" and "color" would be right next to 
each other, as would "honor" and "honour" and "math" and "maths."

So that's a long way of saying I think the editor will have the 
burden of finding the appropriate key words, we've made this pretty 
easy by making sure we all use fairly consistent terminology, but I 
don't think we have to be much more precise than that at this point 
on the British/American thing because most differences are minor.

Does this sound right?  Do I understand how the sorting function 
works, O Tech Types?

Cindy -- who can't wait to catalogue Dicey's post to the list that 
was in Spanish




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 04:33:19 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:33:19 -0400
Subject: More Cataloguing Questions
Message-ID: <00de01c26a95$fff4cd60$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Another first-year peers through the dungeon door, hauling a sackful of posts, with a report and a few questions. . . .

Last night I curled up with and catalogued my first 21 posts. Do not be impressed by this; by waiting for Dicey's directions [thanks Dicey and sends box of Chocolate Frogs her way], I was able to set up the spreadsheet in 5 minutes.  Actually, I spent most of my time poring over the protocol for guidance on how to code each of those posts.  And being the lawyer I am, I have some questions which I'm submitting for a ruling:

1.    The first name/last name convention: 

Can we call Lucius Malfoy "Lucius" instead of "Malfoy"?  Calling him Malfoy is confusing (which is what the convention was supposed to avoid); I've already read a post in which Draco is referred to as Malfoy.  (Arguably Longbottom is also confusing, but there are two Franks so this one is manageable; nobody except the professors call Neville "Longbottom.")

Ruling please?

2.    Is there any reason to distinguish between Expecto Patronum (the incantation for the charm) and Patronus (referring to the form that emerges from the wand)?  Could they both be referred to as Patronus?  It's a lot fewer keystrokes.  (I may have been asleep at the switch, but I used Patronus twice before I even remembered that it *had* an incantation.)  

3.    Are there any exceptions to the incantation rule for spells?  What about spells that are widely known and discussed using the name of the spell, such as my beloved Memory Charm?  It took me a good 5 minutes to remember the name of the incantation.  

4.    Topic terms:  Do we want new topic terms to be posted here for debate/approval?  Or should we just upload them to the list if those subjects aren't yet covered?  Here are some of my quetions and suggestions:

Class or Elitism for class issues in HP, not to be confused with

HP as Classic, or

Class Schedules (or is "schedules" enough).

5.    What's the "social" category Cindy mentioned along with culture?  Is that like the old Fourth Man Hovercraft where the single malt whiskey used to be served?   

Debbie
going back to the dungeon to complete her quota of posts


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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Oct  3 07:04:14 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:04:14 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ
In-Reply-To: <20021002011652.31119.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <angq5e+502d@eGroups.com>

I've uploaded some sections of the Snape FAQ for general perusal into
the files section. I've put them in HTML since that's cross-platform. (I 
can't open Word documents on my home computer, much less save in them.) 
However, they are not particularly formatted yet. I decided to do that all at 
once, once we have established the wording. So eventually it will have nicer 
looking headings, hyperlinks, etc. 

Most of what I've uploaded has been tweaked versions of what Gwen has
written, but I'm still working on a few more questions for later this week. 

If anyone gets a chance to look, let me know what you think. 

~Porphyria





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 09:23:23 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:23:23 EDT
Subject: Things can only get better (I hope!)
Message-ID: <7c.2ef9386e.2acd668b@aol.com>

Eileen
> Since then, the
> day's been downhill.)
> 
> *Your* day's been downhill?

I'm 25 hours into 36 hours without mains water (I had no idea I washed my 
hands so often)

I was supposed to be meeting a friend for coffee this morning and getting the 
stuff for no.2 child's party, but no.3 child feels nauseous and no.4 child 
has tummy ache so they're off school.

At 7.30 am I got a phone call from the riding stables to say that they've had 
a break in and my tack, along with most other people's, has been stolen.

I *still* can't get into the archives, despite Dicey's help. She kindly 
e-mailed me the one I wanted, but the file that arrived contains zilch!

And it's still only 9.30!

I shall spend the day comfort-cataloguing!

Seiously, though, technologically challenged as I am, doesn't the fact that 
both Cindy and I have failed to open the archives successfully suggest that 
there's a problem there? Or are we both mega-incompetent?

Yesterday, if I clicked on, m32000-32999.zip, I got a dialogue box, asking me 
if I wanted to read the file or save it, or words to that effect. I did it 
several times and the same thing always happened. It would open and allow me 
to read it.

The first time I tried it with the file I wanted, the same dialogue box came 
up, but it wouldn't open the file to let me read it. I tried to save it to my 
hard disc, but ended up with something with an icon for my c drive and no 
apparent means of accessing the zip file. Since then it has never offered me 
a dialogue box.

OK.. Something weird's just happened. I have just tried again to open 
m32000-32999 to check what the dialogue box said, and it wouldn't give it to 
me. Instead, it did what it did all the other times, said, 'downloading' 
briefly, the little blue progress meter came up, filled about 10% and then 
disappeared. I started typing this, and suddenly, low and behold the screen 
filled with something which had an icon for the file, I clicked on it and it 
was there. Unfortunately, as I closed the window so I could get back to this, 
I've no idea what it was in as I can't find it now!

I've just tried m35000-35999 again. Similar story. I got on of those things 
at the bottom of the screen that tells you you have a file open and which you 
click on to open and close them (sorry about the teminology!) and got what I 
assume is a temporary file, which said it was what I wanted, but in the blank 
area where the icons for the documents contained in the file should be, there 
was nothing.

Now, all of a sudden, it's flashed up again, this time with an icon for, 
'local disc (c:), and in the details, m35000-35999[1] Compressed, zipped 
folder.
Higher up, I've got under 'Folder tasks', ' extract all files'.
I followed the instructions there, asking it to be saved in My Documents. It 
claimed to have done it (or actually to have replaced the similarly named 
document which was already supposedly saved there), but it isn't there.

What am I doing wrong?

Eloise
Rushing back from attending to vomitting child (and that was the one with 
tummy ache! The one who was feeling nauseous is cooking scrambled egg, Lord 
help us) and shamelessly touting for sympathy. (Now off the ring the 
Insurance.)

Oh...and another thing. If Porphyria can't open Word documents, will she be 
able to read my Works ones?


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 13:39:30 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:39:30 -0000
Subject: More Cataloguing Questions
In-Reply-To: <00de01c26a95$fff4cd60$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anhhai+7r26@eGroups.com>

Welcome aboard, Debbie!

FWIW, I think we have everyone on board who is planning to help with 
FAQs.  So we have the complete team now, and a clever one at that.

Speaking of which . . .

>And being the lawyer I am, I have some questions which I'm 
>submitting for a ruling:


<Cindy braces for withering cross-examination and hopes she doesn't 
wind up inadvertently confessing to wrongs she didn't even commit>

> Can we call Lucius Malfoy "Lucius" instead of "Malfoy"?  

I think it would be best if we stuck with the naming rules.  
Remember, we're only talking about Key Words here.  So you might key 
a Lucius post with "Malfoy" "Imperius."  But in the comments 
section, you can certainly say "Lucius really was under the Imperius 
Curse.

Will that work?

> 2.    Is there any reason to distinguish between Expecto Patronum 
>(the incantation for the charm) and Patronus (referring to the form 
>that emerges from the wand)?  

I think either works fine.  When the editor does a sort (say, for 
the Magical Creatures FAQ), he or she ought to know to look for both 
both.

 
> 3.    Are there any exceptions to the incantation rule for 
>spells?  What about spells that are widely known and discussed 
>using the name of the spell, such as my beloved Memory Charm?  It 
>took me a good 5 minutes to remember the name of the incantation.  

Uh oh.  

I don't know what to do on this one.  I didn't recall that Memory 
Charm even had an incantation, and we surely don't want to force 
people to consult the Lexicon while cataloguing.  

Maybe we have the rule backward.  Maybe we should all be using the 
common names and not the incantation?  

But then again, it would make no sense to refer to AK as "The 
Killing Curse."  Or "Wingardium Leviosa" as the "Levitating spell."  

Oh, dear.  Can someone sort this out?  Should we just leave it to 
the person culling to decide which is the more common term for each 
spell and accept the fact that there will be a split of opinion on 
things like "Accio?"

> 4.    Topic terms:  Do we want new topic terms to be posted here 
>for debate/approval?  Or should we just upload them to the list if 
>those subjects aren't yet covered?  

I think we should just upload them, and only raise questions when we 
aren't sure the best way to go about things.  

So those of you who hurry up and fly through your message blocks get 
to *set policy* for those who come behind.  See?  Yet another reason 
to work quickly.  ;-)

> 5.    What's the "social" category Cindy mentioned along with 
>culture?  

Mmmmm, I think that I was trying to think of a way to distinguish 
between all of the things that might wind up in a social issues 
FAQ.  But I wouldn't say anyone should use "social" unless they 
think it fits what they are trying to express.

Cindy





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 14:31:39 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:31:39 EDT
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
Message-ID: <166.14e5750f.2acdaecb@aol.com>


My first post would have to be one of Catlady's ones with a zillion topics, 
wouldn't it?

1) Are we supposed to list *every* topic term we use?

2) Convention for discussion of non-shipping relationships between 
characters?

I've developed my own convention, when the discussion is of the relationship 
of one character to another of writing,  name/name (in alphabetical order). 
Thus Snape/Sirius, or Dumbledore/Snape. (I'm also giving them separate 
entries if they warrant it.)
Does this seem reasonable? I can easily change it.

3) I know we're supposed to be using last names for adults(and that Cindy's 
just reinforced this re Lucius Malfoy) but that doesn't come very easily with 
Sirius, does it? I've just realised I've been using his first name. Is that 
OK? Nobody calls him 'Black' unless they're being detrimental (so I don't 
know why I'm fussing, not being the world's greatest Sirius fan - I'm in the 
middle of cataloguing an outbreak of Snape/Sirius warfare). He is the one 
adult in the books (IIRC) who is normally referred to by his forename (aside 
from Weasleys).

4) I think we sort of decided once upon a time that the Incident Which Must 
Not Be Named should not really be called, 'The Prank'. But that's what we 
call it, so that's what I've catalogued it as. ;-)

5) Bearing in mind Dicey's warning about the instability of large Word 
documents, does this apply to Works and if so, what sort of size chunks 
should I break this down into?

Eloise
Keeping her head above water, but just waiting for someone to decide that I 
*shouldn't* really be using MS Works, after all. If anyone tells me that what 
I've done *can't* be converted into an Excel Spreadsheet, I'll let Richard 
GulPlum eat my liver with some fava beans and a bottle of Chianti!



From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 15:40:33 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 15:40:33 -0000
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
In-Reply-To: <166.14e5750f.2acdaecb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anhodh+4dmm@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> 
> My first post would have to be one of Catlady's ones with a zillion
topics, 
> wouldn't it?

You too? That was my first real post as well.

I've taken to just listing the topics that are well-addressed in the
post. For example, a person can write a really good reply about Potion
names in the Potterverse, and then go on to answer fifteen different
other discussions, in which they say nothing useful, new, or remotely
interesting. In fact, the more topics a person is responding to the
less careful they seem to be about making all their responses on topic
and relevant.
 
> 1) Are we supposed to list *every* topic term we use?



> 2) Convention for discussion of non-shipping relationships between 
> characters?
> 
> I've developed my own convention, when the discussion is of the
relationship 
> of one character to another of writing,  name/name (in alphabetical
order). 
> Thus Snape/Sirius, or Dumbledore/Snape. (I'm also giving them separate 
> entries if they warrant it.)
> Does this seem reasonable? I can easily change it.

This presents a problem since that's the usual shorthand for SHIP.
When I'm cataloguing a SHIP post, I've been writing SHIP and then the
pairing "Name/name" for example: Keyword 1: SHIP, Keyword 2:
Snape/Lily. However, I agree that we need some type of shorthand.
Writing Keyword 1: Ron , Keyword 2: Hermione, Keyword 3: Friendship is
a bit too much. How about using a dash to indicate non-shipping
rleationships. Therefore, it would be Snape-Lily vs. Snape/Lily. 
> 
> 3) I know we're supposed to be using last names for adults(and that
Cindy's 
> just reinforced this re Lucius Malfoy) but that doesn't come very
easily with 
> Sirius, does it? I've just realised I've been using his first name.
Is that 
> OK? Nobody calls him 'Black' unless they're being detrimental (so I
don't 
> know why I'm fussing, not being the world's greatest Sirius fan -
I'm in the 
> middle of cataloguing an outbreak of Snape/Sirius warfare). He is
the one 
> adult in the books (IIRC) who is normally referred to by his
forename (aside 
> from Weasleys).

I've been categorizing him as Black but it's a bit of an effort. I
would be happy to change to Sirius, as that's what everyone
automatically thinks of him. It wouldn't take much time to change mine
since I haven't been cataloguing one of those dreaded fights. 

> 4) I think we sort of decided once upon a time that the Incident
Which Must 
> Not Be Named should not really be called, 'The Prank'. But that's
what we 
> call it, so that's what I've catalogued it as. ;-)

We did? Was that in the Snape/Sirius wars as well? Agreed though it
should be catalogued as such. 

Onwards and upwards....

I'm all for keeping Lucius Malfoy as 'Malfoy'. Of course, this has
nothing to do with the fact that I've already catalogued post after
post about whether Snape has Lucius Malfoy fooled and am quite used to
the format by now. 

As for the spells, common sense might be the key. Most spells are
generally referred to on the list by one word: the name of the spell
or the incantation. A few aren't. Crucio, Cruciatus and Imperio,
Imperius come to mind. Cindy's explanation of why British/American
spelling doesn't matter would apply here. Crucio will be just under
Cruciatus anyway. Is there any other spell where the incantation is as
commonly used as the name in discussions? 

Cindy wrote:
> I think we should just upload them, and only raise questions when we 
> aren't sure the best way to go about things.  
> 
> So those of you who hurry up and fly through your message blocks get 
> to *set policy* for those who come behind.  See?  Yet another reason 
> to work quickly.  ;-)

I like that. I've been adding keywords including "Weasley Age Gap,"
"Redemption" etc. 
Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 16:09:08 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:09:08 -0000
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
In-Reply-To: <anhodh+4dmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anhq34+bqiv@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

> I've taken to just listing the topics that are well-addressed in 
>the post. 

Exactly right, IMHO.  I would deal with it by asking myself what 
might an editor be interested in about this post, and then keyword 
those concepts.

Eloise:

> > I've developed my own convention, when the discussion is of the
> relationship 
> > of one character to another of writing,  name/name (in 
alphabetical
> order). 
> > Thus Snape/Sirius, or Dumbledore/Snape. (I'm also giving them 
separate 
> > entries if they warrant it.)
> > Does this seem reasonable? I can easily change it.

Mmmm, let me be sure I understand.  Say the post is about "The 
Parting of the Ways" where Snape and Sirius and Dumbledore are all 
there.  If the post discusses Snape and Sirius glowering at each 
other, I would catalogue that as "Snape" and "Sirius."  The comments 
would clarify the substance of the post.

I wouldn't catalogue it as "Snape/Sirius" because a sort will put 
that post with "Snape," so someone updating the Sirius FAQ could 
miss it.

Does that sound right?

 
Eileen:

> This presents a problem since that's the usual shorthand for SHIP.
> When I'm cataloguing a SHIP post, I've been writing SHIP and then 
>the pairing "Name/name" for example: Keyword 1: SHIP, Keyword 2:
> Snape/Lily. 

I think that slash designations ought to be reserved for shipping 
discussions.  I don't see the point of "Winky/Dobby" in a non-
shipping entry because Dobby could get missed.  But in shipping, the 
convention is to use the slash to separate two parties.

Eileen:

>How about using a dash to indicate non-shipping
> rleationships. Therefore, it would be Snape-Lily vs. Snape/Lily. 

I dunno.  This gets to be a lot to remember.  If I had a LOLLIPOPS 
Snape/Lily post, I'd catalogue it as SHIP, LOLLIPOPS, Snape/Lily.  
If the post was not about romance and instead about whether Lily was 
in the same house as Snape, I'd catalogue it as Lily, Snape and 
House.

Part of what is going through my mind is that we have to keep the 
rules simple enough to remember.  So let's say that we bring in more 
people to help with this project next year.  They won't remember 
really arcane distinctions.  So I'd rather stick with the 
conventions that most people are already familiar with:  slash = 
romance, hypen = no meaning.

<Sirius>

>He is
> the one 
> > adult in the books (IIRC) who is normally referred to by his
> forename (aside 
> > from Weasleys).

I think it will be easier going forward if we try not to have 
exceptions to the "Last name for adults, first names for students" 
idea.  We have to be mindful of those coming along later who have to 
sort this out, I suppose.  If anyone has accidently used Sirius, a 
global replace can change the entries to Black.


Cindy -- hoping she addressed everything, so shout out if I missed 
something




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 16:11:20 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: category specificity, SOPE on a rope, Flint
Message-ID: <20021003161120.32044.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all!

I've started cataloguing.  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!  This is
fun.

My big question is how specific to get in creating
categories.  First post, topic: Ginny.  It's a general
post (not very interesting, truth be told) and I
thought, what if I were using this catalogue to write
a FAQ on Ginny?  Wouldn't it be great if the catalogue
did what I was going to have to do otherwise: not only
find all the Ginny posts but put them into categories?
 So I created a heading called Ginny--general.

When it comes to other characters, I can foresee
dozens of subcategories.  Snape--ESE?, Snape--hair,
Snape--loyalty, Snape--courage, Snape--teaching
ability . . .  Very nice for FAQers.  Necessary at
this stage?

Or--<holds breath>--will there be a way for users of
this catalogue to search for cross-listings, so that
anyone looking for posts on Snape's loyalty can seek
out those posts that deal with both Snape AND loyalty
and scoop 'em all up like that?  Right now I'm staring
at a message about courage in Harry AND Ron AND
Hermione.  I could just give it the topics Courage,
Harry, Ron, Hermione, if that kind of search will be
possible.  Otherwise I'm inclined to create four new
categories:  Harry--courage, Ron--courage, etc.,
knowing that these three characters are going to
appear in one bazillion posts each.

Help?  Opinions?  Arbitrary declarations of How It
Shall Be?

Dicey wrote:

>SOPE

This isn't ringing a bell.  Snape's Odor is
Particularly Effusive?  Strategy of Pre-Emption
(political commentary perhaps?)?  I give up.

FLINT vs. Flint:

I prefer Flint because FLINT makes it look like an
acronym, which it isn't.

Amy

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 16:36:03 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:36:03 -0000
Subject: category specificity, SOPE on a rope, Flint
In-Reply-To: <20021003161120.32044.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anhrlj+l8c7@eGroups.com>

Amy:

> My big question is how specific to get in creating
> categories.  First post, topic: Ginny.  It's a general
> post (not very interesting, truth be told) and I
> thought, what if I were using this catalogue to write
> a FAQ on Ginny?  Wouldn't it be great if the catalogue
> did what I was going to have to do otherwise: not only
> find all the Ginny posts but put them into categories?
>  So I created a heading called Ginny--general.
> 
> When it comes to other characters, I can foresee
> dozens of subcategories.  Snape--ESE?, Snape--hair,
> Snape--loyalty, Snape--courage, Snape--teaching
> ability . . .  Very nice for FAQers.  Necessary at
> this stage?

I have to kick this over to Dicey for tech advice.  Dicey, say a 
post is catalogued as "Snape" "Hair" "Prank" because it discusses 
how everyone played pranks on Snape because of his long greasy 
hair.  Is it possible to do a sort in Excel so that not only do all 
the Snape keyword posts get sorted together but the Snape & Hair 
posts get sorted together?  I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

As far as Ginny goes, I'm not sure it's all that helpful to have "--
general."  Imagine that someone comes across a post that talks about 
Snape's mean teaching methods.  Let's say that they key it as "Snape-
-teaching methods."  Someone writing a FAQ comparing the teaching 
methods of various teachers or comparing teaching styles in Britain 
and the U.S. would miss the post.  Keying it as "Snape" 
and "Teaching methods" would avoid this.

That said, I'm not sure I'm right.

Amy:

> Or--<holds breath>--will there be a way for users of
> this catalogue to search for cross-listings, 

Dicey?

I kind of assume that the editor will have some issue "Harry's 
courage."  The editor will sort and then copy (or print) the blocks 
that come up under "Harry" and "Courage."  The editor can then have 
his or her personal issue-specific catalogue to play with.  The 
editor can then do things like search for other words that might 
appear in the comments section -- bravery, fearless, etc.

Does that sound right? 

> I prefer Flint because FLINT makes it look like an
> acronym, which it isn't.

Dicey:

I don't think it matters, because the search function will pick up 
FLINT and Flint and flINT.

Cindy -- who isn't sure she's right about any of this.




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 16:41:00 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:41:00 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Still More cataloguing questions
Message-ID: <83.21b2380f.2acdcd1c@aol.com>

Eileen:
> 
> > 2) Convention for discussion of non-shipping relationships between 
> > characters?
> > 
> > I've developed my own convention, when the discussion is of the
> relationship 
> > of one character to another of writing,  name/name (in alphabetical
> order). 
> > Thus Snape/Sirius, or Dumbledore/Snape. (I'm also giving them separate 
> > entries if they warrant it.)
> > Does this seem reasonable? I can easily change it.
> 
> This presents a problem since that's the usual shorthand for SHIP.
> When I'm cataloguing a SHIP post, I've been writing SHIP and then the
> pairing "Name/name" for example: Keyword 1: SHIP, Keyword 2:
> Snape/Lily. However, I agree that we need some type of shorthand.
> Writing Keyword 1: Ron , Keyword 2: Hermione, Keyword 3: Friendship is
> a bit too much. How about using a dash to indicate non-shipping
> rleationships. Therefore, it would be Snape-Lily vs. Snape/Lily. 


Ah...I misunderstood. I thought that shipping posts would say something like, 

SHIP Snape/Lily or Snape/Lily (SHIP), all in the same cell.

Would Excel recognise the difference between a hyphen and a slash when it 
came to srting posts?

How about we take a ruling from higher authority on that one?
I've found quite a few of those sort of posts both deal with an individual 
*and* with that individual's relationship with someone else, sometimes in 
some complexity. Maybe it's not necessary to specify that, but I just thought 
that if, say writing a FAQ on Sirius, it might be quite helpful to be able to 
identify easily those posts that explored the naure of his relationship with 
Snape or Lupin, for example.

> > 
> > 3) I know we're supposed to be using last names for adults(and that
> Cindy's 
> > just reinforced this re Lucius Malfoy) but that doesn't come very
> easily with 
> > Sirius, does it? I've just realised I've been using his first name.
> Is that 
> > OK? Nobody calls him 'Black' unless they're being detrimental (so I
> don't 
> > know why I'm fussing, not being the world's greatest Sirius fan -
> I'm in the 
> > middle of cataloguing an outbreak of Snape/Sirius warfare). He is
> the one 
> > adult in the books (IIRC) who is normally referred to by his
> forename (aside 
> > from Weasleys).
> 

Eileen:

> I've been categorizing him as Black but it's a bit of an effort. I
> would be happy to change to Sirius, as that's what everyone
> automatically thinks of him. It wouldn't take much time to change mine
> since I haven't been cataloguing one of those dreaded fights. 
> 
> > 4) I think we sort of decided once upon a time that the Incident
> Which Must 
> > Not Be Named should not really be called, 'The Prank'. But that's
> what we 
> > call it, so that's what I've catalogued it as. ;-)
> 
> We did? Was that in the Snape/Sirius wars as well? Agreed though it
> should be catalogued as such. 


Mmm. Last time round, I think. Someone pointed out that it is never referred 
to as a prank in canon. (And we sort of came to an unspoken agrrement not to 
mention it as Snape/Sirius discussions always seemed to come back to it!) 
Mind you, Steve's recently pointed out that the term, 'Marauders' is 
uncanonical, too. But MWPP is probably an easier keyword, anyway and avoids 
confusion with the map.

> Eileen:
> I've been adding keywords including "Weasley Age Gap,"
> "Redemption" etc. 
> 
> 
What did you mean precisely by, 'Redemption'?
I noticed it on the list and used it for a post which suggested Draco might 
yet be influenced for good (though I don't think the word itself was usd in 
the post, that was clearly the shorthand that others would apply to it). Is 
that what you were thinking?

I'm a little bit concerned that even though we have a list of common terms, 
there's potential for our using some of them differently or adding a 
superflous keyword for something that already has one. If it's not crystal 
clear, I think we should add a rider (like Analysis has).

I've used 'Prophecy' to refer to Trelawney's first prediction, because the 
poster was talking about prophecy, but we already have a prediction keyword, 
so perhaps I should re-classify?

Does it matter if we don't capitalise? I suffer from mine not coming out 
quite frequently. Does it matter if I accidentally miss correcting some?

Amy:
>>SOPE

This isn't ringing a bell.  Snape's Odor is
Particularly Effusive?  Strategy of Pre-Emption
(political commentary perhaps?)?  I give up.>>

It wasn't just me, then! I managed to find it by looking up Dicey's work in 
progress and pulling the relevant post! But I still can't remember what it 
means. Something to do with overly soap-operatic plot devices, I think!

Talking of which, Where's Inish Alley gone?
Is there a link to it anywhere these days? I know my sense of direction's 
bad, but I couldn't find one.

Eloise
Becoming rapidly submerged in the pieces of paper she keeps printing off to 
tell her what she should be doing!



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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 16:51:42 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:51:42 -0000
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
In-Reply-To: <83.21b2380f.2acdcd1c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anhsiu+qbct@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> What did you mean precisely by, 'Redemption'?
> I noticed it on the list and used it for a post which suggested
Draco might 
> yet be influenced for good (though I don't think the word itself was
usd in 
> the post, that was clearly the shorthand that others would apply to
it). Is 
> that what you were thinking?

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. I've been using it so far for
discussions of whether Draco or Dudley can make good. 

> 
> I'm a little bit concerned that even though we have a list of common
terms, 
> there's potential for our using some of them differently or adding a 
> superflous keyword for something that already has one. If it's not
crystal 
> clear, I think we should add a rider (like Analysis has).

Absolutely. 

> I've used 'Prophecy' to refer to Trelawney's first prediction,
because the 
> poster was talking about prophecy, but we already have a prediction
keyword, 
> so perhaps I should re-classify?

Oh, I thought that 'prediction' meant someone's prediction about
future books...........

Eileen




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct  3 16:52:33 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:52:33 -0000
Subject: category specificity, SOPE on a rope, Flint
In-Reply-To: <anhrlj+l8c7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anhskh+ca04@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Amy:
> 
> > My big question is how specific to get in creating
> > categories.  First post, topic: Ginny.  It's a general
> > post (not very interesting, truth be told) and I
> > thought, what if I were using this catalogue to write
> > a FAQ on Ginny?  Wouldn't it be great if the catalogue
> > did what I was going to have to do otherwise: not only
> > find all the Ginny posts but put them into categories?
> >  So I created a heading called Ginny--general.
> > 
> > When it comes to other characters, I can foresee
> > dozens of subcategories.  Snape--ESE?, Snape--hair,
> > Snape--loyalty, Snape--courage, Snape--teaching
> > ability . . .  Very nice for FAQers.  Necessary at
> > this stage?
> 
> I have to kick this over to Dicey for tech advice.  Dicey, say a 
> post is catalogued as "Snape" "Hair" "Prank" because it discusses 
> how everyone played pranks on Snape because of his long greasy 
> hair.  Is it possible to do a sort in Excel so that not only do all 
> the Snape keyword posts get sorted together but the Snape & Hair 
> posts get sorted together?  I don't think so, but I'm not sure.

Excel lets you do a sort on three columns at once.  So if the first
column says "Snape," all the Snapes will be together.  Then it will
sort the Snapes according to the criteria in the second column
(alphabetically), and it will sort the items in the second column
according to the items in the third.  You have to specify that it sort
the second two columns, though.  I guess that's another entry for the
Help doc (that's down the line a bit, though).
> 
> > Or--<holds breath>--will there be a way for users of
> > this catalogue to search for cross-listings, 
> 
> Dicey?
> 
> I kind of assume that the editor will have some issue "Harry's 
> courage."  The editor will sort and then copy (or print) the blocks 
> that come up under "Harry" and "Courage."  The editor can then have 
> his or her personal issue-specific catalogue to play with.  The 
> editor can then do things like search for other words that might 
> appear in the comments section -- bravery, fearless, etc.
> 
> Does that sound right? 

I guess so. (Rolls eyes as if to say "yeah, like I understood *that*.")
> 
> > I prefer Flint because FLINT makes it look like an
> > acronym, which it isn't.
> 
> Dicey:
> 
> I don't think it matters, because the search function will pick up 
> FLINT and Flint and flINT.

The default for seach is to not be case sensitive.  You can do a
case-sensitive search, but you have to set it up that way.

--Dicey




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 17:12:26 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:12:26 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Still More cataloguing questions
Message-ID: <97.2e6d78ff.2acdd47a@aol.com>

ICindy:
> Mmmm, let me be sure I understand.  Say the post is about "The 
> Parting of the Ways" where Snape and Sirius and Dumbledore are all 
> there.  If the post discusses Snape and Sirius glowering at each 
> other, I would catalogue that as "Snape" and "Sirius."  The comments 
> would clarify the substance of the post.
> 
> I wouldn't catalogue it as "Snape/Sirius" because a sort will put 
> that post with "Snape," so someone updating the Sirius FAQ could 
> miss it.
> 
> Does that sound right?


That was kind of what I was concerned about and why I was using additional 
separate entries.

> <>Eileen:
> 
> >How about using a dash to indicate non-shipping
> > rleationships. Therefore, it would be Snape-Lily vs. Snape/Lily. 
> 
> I dunno.  This gets to be a lot to remember. 

I agree.


 If I had a LOLLIPOPS > 
> Snape/Lily post, I'd catalogue it as SHIP, LOLLIPOPS, Snape/Lily.  

But doesn't this pose exactly the same problem that a sort will put that post 
with Snape only and not with Lily, for someone working on a Lily FAQ?

> If the post was not about romance and instead about whether Lily was 
> in the same house as Snape, I'd catalogue it as Lily, Snape and 
> House.
> 
> <>
> <Sirius>
> 
> >He is
> > the one 
> > > adult in the books (IIRC) who is normally referred to by his
> > forename (aside 
> > > from Weasleys).
> 
> I think it will be easier going forward if we try not to have 
> exceptions to the "Last name for adults, first names for students" 
> idea.  We have to be mindful of those coming along later who have to 
> sort this out, I suppose.  If anyone has accidently used Sirius, a 
> global replace can change the entries to Black.

I defer!

Eloise
Off to edit a large section of the day's work.
One of the problems of being on the wrong time zone!


> 
> 



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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 17:21:27 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:21:27 -0000
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
In-Reply-To: <97.2e6d78ff.2acdd47a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anhuan+3d88@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> That was kind of what I was concerned about and why I was using
additional 
> separate entries.
> 
> > <>Eileen:
> > 
> > >How about using a dash to indicate non-shipping
> > > rleationships. Therefore, it would be Snape-Lily vs. Snape/Lily. 
> > 
> > I dunno.  This gets to be a lot to remember. 
> 
> I agree.

I agree now too. :-)

> 
> 
>  If I had a LOLLIPOPS > 
> > Snape/Lily post, I'd catalogue it as SHIP, LOLLIPOPS, Snape/Lily.  
> 
> But doesn't this pose exactly the same problem that a sort will put
that post 
> with Snape only and not with Lily, for someone working on a Lily FAQ?

Well, yes it does, come to think of it. Perhaps we should only use
slashes with the four biggies on the list: R/Hr, H/Hr, D/Hr, and H/G.
These are discussed all the time and anyone writing a FAQ on Ron,
Harry, Hermione, Draco, or Ginny should know enough to look these up.

I am going to go nuts having to write Keyword 1: SHIP Keyword 2: Ron
Keyword 3: Harry Keyword 4: Hermione, Keyword 5: Ginny, Keyword 6:
OBHWF, Keyword 7etc: whatever the post addresses in relation to OBHWF
for simple posts about OBHWF.

Eileen, just having got to a Snape/Sirius war. Very fun writing
comments. "Sirius was a teenager! Snape is now immature!" etc.




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 18:01:55 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:01:55 EDT
Subject: Dicey is totally wonderful!
Message-ID: <124.17c07b90.2acde013@aol.com>

At last, something has gone right with my day and Dicey has found the errant 
(or in Dicey's technical language, 'batty') archive file which I've been 
trying to download hiding in my C: drive.

Thanks, Dicey!

Eloise



From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  3 18:08:34 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:08:34 -0000
Subject: Is JKR off-topic?
Message-ID: <ani132+o8ub@eGroups.com>

I've reached the discussion of the unauthorised biography. Catalogue 
it as JKR Biography, or just mark it OT?

Pip!Squeak

(Oh, and I've added 'Student Numbers'and 'Name [as in meaning of]to 
the categories.




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 18:12:43 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:12:43 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Still More cataloguing questions
Message-ID: <50.12a6e919.2acde29b@aol.com>

Eileen:

(Me):
> > I've used 'Prophecy' to refer to Trelawney's first prediction,
> because the 
> > poster was talking about prophecy, but we already have a prediction
> keyword, 
> > so perhaps I should re-classify?
> 
> Oh, I thought that 'prediction' meant someone's prediction about
> future books...........
> 

My point exactly! I knew there was some reason why I thought that was 
ambiguous!
But we *do* talk about Trelawney's first prediction don't we?
Could whoever put that one on the list tell us which it refers to?

Should I put in a SHIP key when the writer for example, refers to LOLLIPOPS 
but to refute it? Negative shipping as it were? I haven't done, but I suppose 
it gives the other side of the argument that someone writing about a 
particular SHIP might want to include.

Eloise


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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 18:13:50 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:13:50 -0000
Subject: Is JKR off-topic?
In-Reply-To: <ani132+o8ub@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani1cu+o5dj@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> I've reached the discussion of the unauthorised biography. Catalogue 
> it as JKR Biography, or just mark it OT?
> 
> Pip!Squeak
> 
> (Oh, and I've added 'Student Numbers'and 'Name [as in meaning of]to 
> the categories.

Didn't Cindy say we'd be using "Etymology" rather than "Name", when
categorizing name meanings? That's what I've been doing at least....

"Student Numbers" = Number of Students at Hogwarts, right? Adds that
to list.

JKR Biography would only be on topic, I would think, if it's connected
to canon. For example, if someone was discussing the unauthorized
biography and mentioned a parallel between Hermione and Rowling.
However.... we do have a JKR FAQ, don't we? So maybe it should be
marked as JKR Biography.

You're marking posts as OT btw? I'm just blacking them out.

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 18:18:02 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:18:02 -0000
Subject: Requesting SHIP ruling?
In-Reply-To: <50.12a6e919.2acde29b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ani1kq+e85f@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Should I put in a SHIP key when the writer for example, refers to
LOLLIPOPS 
> but to refute it? Negative shipping as it were? I haven't done, but
I suppose 
> it gives the other side of the argument that someone writing about a 
> particular SHIP might want to include.

I think you should. Wouldn't such a post be required to have a SHIP
heading under current rules?

We need a ruling on high about SHIPs! Complete with guidelines,
examples, etc. 

This is beginning to remind me of the time when I was 14 that I
decided to catalogue my parents' collection of battered National
Geographics since the 50s. I had a very complicated system for that.
It wasn't the most sucessful of endeavours.

Eileen




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  3 18:18:00 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:18:00 -0000
Subject: Still More cataloguing questions
In-Reply-To: <50.12a6e919.2acde29b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ani1ko+e87h@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Eileen:
> 
> (Me):
> > > I've used 'Prophecy' to refer to Trelawney's first prediction,
> > because the 
> > > poster was talking about prophecy, but we already have a 
prediction
> > keyword, 
> > > so perhaps I should re-classify?
> > 
> > Oh, I thought that 'prediction' meant someone's prediction about
> > future books...........
> > 
> 
> My point exactly! I knew there was some reason why I thought that 
> was ambiguous!
> But we *do* talk about Trelawney's first prediction don't we?
> Could whoever put that one on the list tell us which it refers to?
>
It wasn't me!

But currently I'm using 'Prediction' for predictions by listies 
and 'prophecy' for predictions by Trelawny. I suspect a lot more 
posts will be about listies predictions of what happens than will be 
about Trelawny's prophecies, so shall we leave the more difficult 
spelling for the less frequent posts? [grin]

Pip!squeak






From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct  3 18:21:10 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:21:10 -0000
Subject: Is JKR off-topic? AND meaning of names
In-Reply-To: <ani1cu+o5dj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani1qm+57mp@eGroups.com>

<Snip>
> JKR Biography would only be on topic, I would think, if it's 
connected
> to canon. For example, if someone was discussing the unauthorized
> biography and mentioned a parallel between Hermione and Rowling.
> However.... we do have a JKR FAQ, don't we? So maybe it should be
> marked as JKR Biography.

Ok, JKR biography it is.
> 
> You're marking posts as OT btw? I'm just blacking them out.
> 
> Eileen

I'm marking them as OT, THEN blacking them out. 

Uh... Cindy? I don't think I can SPELL entim... entyme... names 
[meaning of]

Pip 




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 18:23:00 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:23:00 -0000
Subject: What Did You Mean By Prediction, Dicey?
In-Reply-To: <ani1ko+e87h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani1u4+tbio@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> > Eileen:
> > 
> > (Me):
> > > > I've used 'Prophecy' to refer to Trelawney's first prediction,
> > > because the 
> > > > poster was talking about prophecy, but we already have a 
> prediction
> > > keyword, 
> > > > so perhaps I should re-classify?
> > > 
> > > Oh, I thought that 'prediction' meant someone's prediction about
> > > future books...........
> > > 
> > 
> > My point exactly! I knew there was some reason why I thought that 
> > was ambiguous!
> > But we *do* talk about Trelawney's first prediction don't we?
> > Could whoever put that one on the list tell us which it refers to?
> >
> It wasn't me!
> 
> But currently I'm using 'Prediction' for predictions by listies 
> and 'prophecy' for predictions by Trelawny. I suspect a lot more 
> posts will be about listies predictions of what happens than will be 
> about Trelawny's prophecies, so shall we leave the more difficult 
> spelling for the less frequent posts? [grin]

I'm all for it, as we've apparently both been doing it that way.
However, it's Dicey's baby, so what does she think?

Eileen




From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 18:27:18 2002
From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Spelling
In-Reply-To: <ani1qm+57mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021003182718.47705.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Uh... Cindy? I don't think I can SPELL entim...
> entyme... names 
> [meaning of]
> 
> Pip 
> 
> 

Well, how about onomastics?

Just to be correct and proper and all, onomastics is
the study of names. Etymology is the study of word
origins. Of course, it could be both.

Entymology is the study of ents. I mean ants. I mean
insects. Yeah.

Gwen (feeling silly, but serious about the onomastics
thing)


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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 18:29:02 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:29:02 -0000
Subject: Is JKR off-topic? AND meaning of names
In-Reply-To: <ani1qm+57mp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani29e+mvq7@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> > You're marking posts as OT btw? I'm just blacking them out.
> > 
> > Eileen
> 
> I'm marking them as OT, THEN blacking them out. 

Should I have been doing that? It's a little too late now. Looks
guiltily about. 

> 
> Uh... Cindy? I don't think I can SPELL entim... entyme... names 
> [meaning of]

It should be very easy to spell it if we think of it in Inish Alley
terms. Inish Alley has taught me how to spell words such as
"Sycophants". Before Elkins established it as an acronym, I laboured
under the delusion that it was spelt S-Y-N-C-H-O-P-H-A-N-T-S. So,
perhaps we need to get Tabouli generating spelling guides for us.

Eileen, who is trying very hard not to mispell Pensieve "i before e
except after c"




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct  3 18:31:35 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:31:35 -0000
Subject: Paul: something about the archived files
In-Reply-To: <124.17c07b90.2acde013@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ani2e7+6ept@eGroups.com>

Paul:

It would appear that some of the .txt files were zipped up with a
filepath C:\HPforGrownups\archive\groups in them.  When they unzip
they create the path but then people don't know where to look for
them.  What to do about that, except tell people to look for an
"HPforGrownups" folder on their C: drives?

--Dicey




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct  3 18:37:38 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:37:38 -0000
Subject: What Did You Mean By Prediction, Dicey?
In-Reply-To: <ani1u4+tbio@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani2pi+17iv@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> 
> I'm all for it, as we've apparently both been doing it that way.
> However, it's Dicey's baby, so what does she think?
> 
Look, I have nightmares about suddenly having a baby and not knowing
where it came from, OK?

I think that the general rule is that if it makes sense, do it, and
everyone else just follows along. If it's necessary to go back and
re-consistentize words, we can do it easily enough.  That's why God
invented the Search and Replace function.

--Dicey, and I don't mean Bill Gates




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 18:41:59 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:41:59 -0000
Subject: What Did You Mean By Prediction, Dicey?
In-Reply-To: <ani2pi+17iv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ani31n+4upo@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm all for it, as we've apparently both been doing it that way.
> > However, it's Dicey's baby, so what does she think?
> > 
> Look, I have nightmares about suddenly having a baby and not knowing
> where it came from, OK?

I'm sorry. :-) I know that nightmare.

> I think that the general rule is that if it makes sense, do it, and
> everyone else just follows along. If it's necessary to go back and
> re-consistentize words, we can do it easily enough.  That's why God
> invented the Search and Replace function.

All right. I'm going to make changes to the Database to the effect
that "Prediction" means Potterfans' predictions and "Prophecy" means
Sybil Trelawney's sort of stuff. 

Eileen




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 19:10:10 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:10:10 EDT
Subject: Topic Terms Database
Message-ID: <bb.27456042.2acdf012@aol.com>

Next problem....
I've just tried to add my terms to the database following Dicey's 
instructions and failed!
As whatever it is with which AOL provides you  to word process doesn't have 
cut and paste facilities, I typed my terms straight into the data field, then 
clicked on Import Data.
It then just showed my data,  with some other buttons, such as re-import data 
and something else I can't remember.
At that stage I panicked. Was there something constructive I could have done 
instead?
Or shall I just put them in one at a time?
I do want to get them in before I have to change them again! (I've just had 
to change all my PTSDs to PTSSs as it seems a bit dumb having both!)

BTW, I notice that 'The Prank' is down with an article.
Should we avoid these? (When sorted, would 'The Prank'  come under 'T', 
rather than 'P'? Or is Excel so deucedly clever that it can ignore articles?)

Eloise
Wondering why her almost brand new, snazzy, optical, cordless mouse is trying 
to behave like a regular one that's got a hairball stuck inside.



From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 19:14:46 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:14:46 -0000
Subject: PTSD vs. PTSS and The Prank
In-Reply-To: <bb.27456042.2acdf012@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ani4v6+q3kk@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> I do want to get them in before I have to change them again! (I've
just had 
> to change all my PTSDs to PTSSs as it seems a bit dumb having both!)

It is more commonly PTSD, though, isn't it? I referenced it as PTSS
b/c that's how it was referred to in the first Snape vs. Sirius
discussion I stumbled on, but if you like I'll change those to PTSDs
and change PTSS to PTSD on the term catalogue. 
> 
> BTW, I notice that 'The Prank' is down with an article.
> Should we avoid these? (When sorted, would 'The Prank'  come under 'T', 
> rather than 'P'? Or is Excel so deucedly clever that it can ignore
articles?)
> 

I second that question.

Eileen




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 19:28:27 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:28:27 EDT
Subject: Harry Potter and The Vanishing Catalogue
Message-ID: <2f.2e50375f.2acdf45b@aol.com>

Just in case anyone notices, yes, my catalogue of work in process *has* 
vanished (temporarily, I hope).
I guess I've found out the answer to how big a Works spreadsheet has to be 
before it gets corrupted and it seems to be, 'very small'

All I've done is amend a few things and add two or three rows, but having 
deleted the first copy, this one was rejected as empty, or corrupted or some 
such thing. Then it additionally said that it was too big for AOL to cope 
with, a story I've heard too many times before.

As Ron might say, 'Why is all the software I own rubbish?'

I might go away. Somewhere nice and warm, with a bit more sunlight would be 
nice.

Eloise
Off to see if the water's been turned back on and to run all the taps until 
the quality's back to normal. Knowing my luck, I'll probably flood the house 
again.



From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 19:37:31 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:37:31 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter and The Vanishing Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <2f.2e50375f.2acdf45b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ani69r+2tug@eGroups.com>

Eileen pats Eloise on the back understandingly. 

I catalogued a hundred posts the day before yesterday and then clicked
"No" to the question "Do you want to save this document?"

But I'm back nose to the grindstone and have so far got through 358
posts. 

Eileen

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Just in case anyone notices, yes, my catalogue of work in process *has* 
> vanished (temporarily, I hope).
> I guess I've found out the answer to how big a Works spreadsheet has
to be 
> before it gets corrupted and it seems to be, 'very small'
> 
> All I've done is amend a few things and add two or three rows, but
having 
> deleted the first copy, this one was rejected as empty, or corrupted
or some 
> such thing. Then it additionally said that it was too big for AOL to
cope 
> with, a story I've heard too many times before.
> 
> As Ron might say, 'Why is all the software I own rubbish?'
> 
> I might go away. Somewhere nice and warm, with a bit more sunlight
would be 
> nice.
> 
> Eloise
> Off to see if the water's been turned back on and to run all the
taps until 
> the quality's back to normal. Knowing my luck, I'll probably flood
the house 
> again.




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 20:31:22 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:31:22 -0000
Subject: Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
Message-ID: <ani9eq+n5u5@eGroups.com>

What is the audience for HP? Are they kids' books?

I can't think of a good keyword to cover this.

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 21:00:35 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:00:35 -0000
Subject: Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <ani9eq+n5u5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anib5j+hmgb@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Oh, dear!  I was unavailable most of the day?  Did everything get 
sorted out?

I think you guys should feel free to use what you think works best 
for you, keeping in mind the guidelines we came up with.  Dicey's 
right that we can nail these other things later with a bit of spot 
checking and some well-placed global replace commands.

Cindy -- who is definitely the straggler in the group and isn't 
saying how many posts she has catalogued, but who will kick it into 
gear next week






From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 21:04:39 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:04:39 -0000
Subject: Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <anib5j+hmgb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anibd7+rglb@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> Oh, dear!  I was unavailable most of the day?  Did everything get 
> sorted out?

A lot of things. The SHIPPING situation is still as messed up as ever,
though. 

Eileen, cataloguing her 417th post




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 21:06:48 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:06:48 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Harry Potter and The Vanishing Catalogue
Message-ID: <183.f8b48a1.2ace0b68@aol.com>

OK. I really need some help here.
I've transferred some of my entries onto a second spreadsheet, so that I 
could downsize the one I was trying to upload (it's now smaller than it was 
when I uploaded it the first time, only 16 KB). I've also resaved it under a 
different name to see if that would help but it still won't let me do it, 
still says the file is empty or corrupted or that I may have typed the name 
incorrectly (except that I did it automatically via Browse). Same for the 
smaller, second file I created.

WHAT DO I DO???

There doesn't seem to be any point in my cataloguing anything else until I 
get this sorted. There's no point if I can't upload it.

And to think I started off today by saying that things could only get better. 
That'll teach me to tempt providence! 

Eloise :-(
(But thanking Eileen for the pat on the back)



From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct  3 21:09:21 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:09:21 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
Message-ID: <1ba.710480e.2ace0c01@aol.com>

In a message dated 03/10/2002 21:34:20 GMT Standard Time, lucky_kari at yahoo.ca 
writes:


> What is the audience for HP? Are they kids' books?
> 
> I can't think of a good keyword to cover this.
> 
> Eileen
> 

Err....How about 'Audience'? Or even 'Audience?' ? Or 'Target Readership'?

Eloise
Trying to seem useful


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 21:46:35 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:46:35 -0000
Subject: Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <anibd7+rglb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anidrr+2kqq@eGroups.com>

Shipping, eh?

I think traditional Shipping discussions could look like this:

"SHIP  H/H  Kiss" for Harry and Hermione's kiss in GoF

"LOLLIPOPS" for Snape Loved Lily

"SHIP Slash Harry/Draco" for Harry and Draco Shipping.

I would stick to the standard ship abbreviations:  H/H, R/H, H/G, 
FITD.

The idea is that the editor writing the Lily FAQ ought to search for 
LOLLIPOPS, Snape/Lily and Lily/Snape.  I think some of our 
inconsistencies can be fixed with global replace, but the editors 
will have to do some analysis of what is likely to yield a good hit.

I would do whether HP is for kids under "Children."  I think someone 
wishing to update that FAQ would definitely search for children.  

Does that help?

Cindy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 22:20:43 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <1ba.710480e.2ace0c01@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20021003222043.84385.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>

Eileen wrote:

> > What is the audience for HP? Are they kids' books?
> > 
> > I can't think of a good keyword to cover this.

File it under P for "Penny Goes Ballistic."

Amy
being unhelpful, but I did catalogue 5 posts today

P.S.  OK, OK, I vote for Audience too.

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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 22:31:47 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:31:47 -0000
Subject: Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <20021003222043.84385.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aniggj+gh4v@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Amy Z <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> Eileen wrote:
> 
> > > What is the audience for HP? Are they kids' books?
> > > 
> > > I can't think of a good keyword to cover this.
> 
> File it under P for "Penny Goes Ballistic."
> 
> Amy
> being unhelpful, but I did catalogue 5 posts today.

ROFL!

I put the keyword in as "Audience?"

Cindy, thanks for the directives on SHIPPING, and I'm discovering more
and more about your dirty past. This habit of yours of trying to carve
large chunks out of GoF isn't new, I take it. 

Eileen, who wonders who will be cataloguing her arrival on the list,
and blushes to think about all the idiocies she posted back then




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Oct  3 22:40:24 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:40:24 -0400
Subject: Topics, Topics Everywhere
Message-ID: <00ca01c26b2d$dd2fe880$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Packing all my Q&A's into one [not so] little post:

<<<> Can we call Lucius Malfoy "Lucius" instead of "Malfoy"?  

I think it would be best if we stuck with the naming rules.>>>

I will bow to the wishes of the majority here, though if I were interpreting Cindy's rule ("All adults go by last [name], except for where this would be confusing (Weasleys, Potters).") without the benefit of her next paragraph of examples, I would have used "Lucius" because "Malfoy" is generally used in canon to refer to Draco.

[voice in Debbie's ear whispers loudly, "Give up.  You lost this one.  There is no appeal in the WW."]

Well, there's always the Search and Replace spell.  Truth be told, I'd be interested in doing the Malfoy FAQ, if it's unclaimed, and I could probably sort it out somehow.

<<<I didn't recall that Memory 
Charm even had an incantation, and we surely don't want to force 
people to consult the Lexicon while cataloguing. [snip]
Oh, dear.  Can someone sort this out?  Should we just leave it to 
the person culling to decide which is the more common term for each 
spell and accept the fact that there will be a split of opinion on 
things like "Accio?">>>

This is exactly the solution, I think.  Ah, the magic of Search and Replace. 

<<<I would deal with it by asking myself what 
might an editor be interested in about this post, and then keyword 
those concepts.>>>

This is what I've been doing, but I did want to ask what the likelihood is that the catalogue would be used for other purposes, like "How many times did we discuss the Lethifold on the list?"  

 <<<JKR Biography would only be on topic, I would think, if it's connected
to canon. For example, if someone was discussing the unauthorized
biography and mentioned a parallel between Hermione and Rowling.
However.... we do have a JKR FAQ, don't we? So maybe it should be
marked as JKR Biography.>>>

I've been using the "adults get last names" convention, :} and coding posts that discuss JKR with the term "Rowling."  I figured anything concerning her would relate in some way to her biography.  But I can switch.  I want to see for myself how well the Search and Replace spell works.

<<<It is more commonly PTSD, though, isn't it? I referenced it as PTSS
b/c that's how it was referred to in the first Snape vs. Sirius
discussion I stumbled on, but if you like I'll change those to PTSDs
and change PTSS to PTSD on the term catalogue.>>>

FWIW, I looked this up recently in connection with the 9/11 anniversary and the clinical name for it appears to be PTSD.

<<<I would do whether HP is for kids under "Children."  I think someone 
wishing to update that FAQ would definitely search for children.>>>

I was going to suggest "Children's Literature" but I like "Audience" better, as more descriptive.

I must commiserate with Eloise, who said:

<<<As Ron might say, 'Why is all the software I own rubbish?'>>>

I have no work in progress uploaded, because my PC refuses to upload anything except Word documents.  I will have to do my uploads from the office, if I can ever remember to send the spreadsheet there.  Just in case, I've saved my work on a disk.

I'm woefully behind our speed cataloguers, so I want to ask before I do it, but . . . I'd like to stake my claim on my next 1000 posts, since I went on vacation in the middle of the Bully thread and never got around to read the 500 responses I missed.  Please?  Can I have it? I promise to relinquish it if I fall too far behind. 
 
Debbie
determined to reach 100 posts tonight


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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 22:49:47 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 22:49:47 -0000
Subject: Topics, Topics Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <00ca01c26b2d$dd2fe880$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anihib+3pno@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., elfundeb <elfundeb at c...> wrote:
> [voice in Debbie's ear whispers loudly, "Give up.  You lost this
one.  There is no appeal in the WW."]

Would that voice be Cindy using Imperius by any chance?

>  <<<JKR Biography would only be on topic, I would think, if it's
connected
> to canon. For example, if someone was discussing the unauthorized
> biography and mentioned a parallel between Hermione and Rowling.
> However.... we do have a JKR FAQ, don't we? So maybe it should be
> marked as JKR Biography.>>>
> 
> I've been using the "adults get last names" convention, :} and
coding posts that discuss JKR with the term "Rowling."  I figured
anything concerning her would relate in some way to her biography. 
But I can switch.>

Well, for example, there's Elkins' post in which she says Rowling is a
closet conservative when it comes to class issues. That has nothing to
do with Biography, but it's about Rowling.... I think. 
  
>I want to see for myself how well the Search and Replace spell works.
>

Very well, imho. I just tried it for the first time.
 
> <<<It is more commonly PTSD, though, isn't it? I referenced it as PTSS
> b/c that's how it was referred to in the first Snape vs. Sirius
> discussion I stumbled on, but if you like I'll change those to PTSDs
> and change PTSS to PTSD on the term catalogue.>>>
> 
> FWIW, I looked this up recently in connection with the 9/11
anniversary and the clinical name for it appears to be PTSD.

Have changed it to PTSD. 

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct  3 23:17:10 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:17:10 -0000
Subject: I'm Halfway Through! I'm Halfway Through!
Message-ID: <anij5m+dhqo@eGroups.com>

As of now, I have catalogued 500 posts.

Eileen, adjusting her horn-rimmed glasses




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 00:33:26 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 00:33:26 -0000
Subject: I'm Halfway Through! I'm Halfway Through!
In-Reply-To: <anij5m+dhqo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aninkm+a1vv@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

> As of now, I have catalogued 500 posts.

Uh, I think we are taking the completely wrong approach here.  Let's 
try this instead.

Eileen, would you whip me up a complete catalogue, a Harry FAQ and a 
Malfoy FAQ by, say <checks calendar> next Saturday?  ;-)

Seriously, Eileen, Pip, Debbie, Eloise and Porphyria, you new kids 
on the block are amazing!  So darn much *energy!*  We so totally 
rock!  We really know how to knock out a project, don't you think?

Now, if we could just teach *JKR* how to knock out a project, we'll 
see the end of the series in my lifetime.  ;-)

Cindy -- off to raise her total of messages reviewed into the triple 
digits




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 01:05:51 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:05:51 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ
In-Reply-To: <angq5e+502d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aniphf+hmus@eGroups.com>

Porphyria (on the Snape FAQ):


> If anyone gets a chance to look, let me know what you think. 

My goodness, Gwen and Porphyria.  The Snape FAQ looks terrific!  I 
can't believe there are so many Snape issues.  How many more 
questions are there, if you know?

Boy, it's almost enough to make me start liking Snape.  Almost.  ;-)

Cindy 




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Fri Oct  4 01:34:56 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:34:56 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Snape FAQ
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1033695296.0.86321300@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Cindy asked:

> My goodness, Gwen and Porphyria.  The
> Snape FAQ looks terrific!  I 
> can't believe there are so many Snape
> issues.  How many more 
> questions are there, if you know?

I think we have about 12 questions in total, plus some miscellany. 

Thanks, Cindy!

> Boy, it's almost enough to make me start liking
> Snape. Almost. ;-)

Hee hee. We can always hope. 

On my To Do list for tonight and tomorrow night I've got the Malfoy question,
Sudden Movement, S. vs. S, and What Voldy Knows. 

But there's still some more after that.

Gwen, could you forward me notes for the "Why did he leave the DEs" question?
I don't think I received that consolidation of clippings yet.

~Porphyria, secretly happy she's too busy with this to deal with spreadsheets
yet.



From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  4 01:51:04 2002
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Paul: something about the archived files
In-Reply-To: <ani2e7+6ept@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021004015104.64805.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll see about finding and fixing that.

--- dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com> wrote:
> Paul:
> 
> It would appear that some of the .txt files were zipped up with a
> filepath C:\HPforGrownups\archive\groups in them.  When they unzip
> they create the path but then people don't know where to look for
> them.  What to do about that, except tell people to look for an
> "HPforGrownups" folder on their C: drives?
> 
> --Dicey
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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  4 02:06:40 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lupin FAQ
In-Reply-To: <Springmail.0994.1033695296.0.86321300@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20021004020640.12548.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>

Porphyria, one-half of the Dynamic Duo, wrote:

> Gwen, could you forward me notes for the "Why did he
> leave the DEs" question?
> I don't think I received that consolidation of
> clippings yet.

This reminds me:  Elkins, I need a consolidation of
clippings too.  I know you're on retreat, but when
you're done with your pedicure, shoot me a stack of
Lupin messages and I'll do some sorting.

<g>
Amy

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Oct  4 02:17:57 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 21:17:57 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
References: <20021003222043.84385.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <033b01c26b4c$413f7700$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

Eileen wrote:

> > What is the audience for HP? Are they kids' books?
> > 
> > I can't think of a good keyword to cover this.

File it under P for "Penny Goes Ballistic."

Amy
being unhelpful, but I did catalogue 5 posts today

P.S.  OK, OK, I vote for Audience too.>>>>>>>>>>

Thought I wasn't reading????!  Huh???  :--)

I like Audience just fine.  I guess "children vs. adult" is not a single keyword, so audience is fine by me.  How about "children, adult, audience."  You can also use "cross-over appeal" if appropriate.  :--)

Penny



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From editor at texas.net  Fri Oct  4 02:16:37 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:16:37 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Snape FAQ
References: <angq5e+502d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c26b4c$12822200$f27663d1@texas.net>

I've scanned them; Bravo, Bravo! I will read them in detail later (no time
right now, but I couldn't wait). Great job; critiques later (if any
criticism can be made; they're very well done).

--Amanda

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:04 AM
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Snape FAQ


> I've uploaded some sections of the Snape FAQ for general perusal into
> the files section. I've put them in HTML since that's cross-platform. (I
> can't open Word documents on my home computer, much less save in them.)
> However, they are not particularly formatted yet. I decided to do that all
at
> once, once we have established the wording. So eventually it will have
nicer
> looking headings, hyperlinks, etc.
>
> Most of what I've uploaded has been tweaked versions of what Gwen has
> written, but I'm still working on a few more questions for later this
week.
>
> If anyone gets a chance to look, let me know what you think.
>
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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 02:47:28 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:47:28 -0000
Subject: UHPFC
Message-ID: <anivg0+bm8g@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know what this is?  I think it is another HP group.

Cindy




From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct  4 02:56:17 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:56:17 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] UHPFC
In-Reply-To: <1033699978.12988@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>
Message-ID: <1033700179.16946@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>


Cindy C. said:

> Does anyone know what this is?  I think it is another HP group.

The Unofficial Harry Potter Fan Club,  www.harrypotterfans.net

--J

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  4 03:00:30 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Need A Keyword For Oft-Discussed Topic
In-Reply-To: <033b01c26b4c$413f7700$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <20021004030030.25392.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>

Amy:
 
> File it under P for "Penny Goes Ballistic."

Penny:
 
> Thought I wasn't reading????!  Huh???  :--)

<g>  Glad to see you're here, Penny.

Amy

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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 04:59:11 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 00:59:11 -0400
Subject: Latest Questions
Message-ID: <008b01c26b62$c73065c0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

More questions:

Founders' names vs. House names -- use the first names for the Founders?  

Following the Riddle Rule, do we always code Scabbers as Pettigrew?

Evil is for whether a character is ESE?  Is there a separate Good vs. Evil?

What's the final ruling on OT?  Are we marking them as such or just painting them black?  I have a lot of posts blacked out for other reasons as well (including an entire thread expounding on the meaning of an incorrect fact).  

Debbie
who *almost* met her 100 post goal


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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 06:28:49 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 06:28:49 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter and The Vanishing Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <183.f8b48a1.2ace0b68@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anjcf1+6bhr@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> OK. I really need some help here.
> I've transferred some of my entries onto a second spreadsheet, so 
> that I could downsize the one I was trying to upload (it's now  
> smaller than it waswhen I uploaded it the first time, only 16 KB). 
> I've also resaved it under a different name to see if that would 
> help but it still won't let me do it, still says the file is empty 
> or corrupted or that I may have typed the name incorrectly (except 
> that I did it automatically via Browse). Same for the smaller, 
second file I created.
> 
> WHAT DO I DO???
<Snip>

> Eloise :-(

Thoughts:
Have you resaved it under a different name *on your computer*? Browse 
on Yahoo won't let you change *anything* once you've found the path.

Are you trying to upload from floppy? Browse hates that too. You have 
to upload from the hard disk (C: drive).

Try e-mailing it to one of us, and we'll see if we can open it and 
save it? It might be some problem with your modem line, or AOL. If we 
can open it via e-mail, it's probably *not* genuinely corrupted. If 
we can't, it might well be. I'm at work from now until 18.00 GMT, but 
you could try e-mailing it to me this evening.

In complete desperation: E-bay has old copies of Excel on auction 
quite frequently, for ?30.00. Or if there's a student (even primary 
school) in your household, you can get a student edition of Microsoft 
Office for about ?100.00 (which may be completely useless, I 
certainly couldn't afford ?100 at the moment).

You have my deepest sympathies; currently I'm trying to work on a 
computer with an intermittent fault in the power supply. Every so 
often it spikes, corrupts IE or shuts down completely, and then I 
have to let it rest for a while. The weekend is going to be spent 
trying to get my laptop online, I think...

[Either that or the new power supply will arrive and I get to spend 
the weekend installing it.] 


Pip





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 11:24:28 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:24:28 -0000
Subject: Latest Questions
In-Reply-To: <008b01c26b62$c73065c0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anjtpc+4sme@eGroups.com>

Debbie:


> Founders' names vs. House names -- use the first names for the 
>Founders?  

I like it!

 
> Following the Riddle Rule, do we always code Scabbers as Pettigrew?

For some reason, I think it's OK to use Scabbers or Pettigrew.  (We 
can global replace later if we change our mind, I suppose).  I 
wouldn't use Wormtail, though.


 
> Evil is for whether a character is ESE?  Is there a separate Good 
vs. Evil?

I would use ESE for Ever So Evil.  On Good vs. Evil, I'm not sure.  
I'm thinking "Morality," but I'm not sure.


> What's the final ruling on OT?  Are we marking them as such or 
just painting them black?  

I would paint them black.
  
Here's a question for Dicey, though.

I know that you can use the "Format Cells" function to black out a 
row.  In Word, I know how to format a style and give it a hot key so 
that this can be done in one keystroke.  But I can't sort out how to 
do it in Excel.  There doesn't seem to be a "Format Style" option in 
Excel.  

Is there a way to set a hot key to black out a row?

Cindy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  4 11:41:56 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 04:41:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: confused and worried Re: Latest Questions
In-Reply-To: <anjtpc+4sme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021004114156.63351.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>

Debbie asked:

> > Evil is for whether a character is ESE?  Is there
> a separate Good 
> vs. Evil?

When I got to an ESE post (by Cindy--three guesses who
the character is) the only relevant category at the
time was called Evil.  I thought that sounded like As
in Pressing Moral Issues, so I created a new category,
"Evil (characters who are Ever So)."  We can rename it
ESE, I don't care, but be aware the category exists.
 
Debbie:

> > What's the final ruling on OT?  Are we marking
> them as such or 
> just painting them black?  

Cindy:

> I would paint them black.

I thought we just skipped them.  Why are we painting
them black again?

I assume that missing posts just get skipped too,
right?  I don't need to say "36,002--missing," do I?

And in obedience to the will of the group, and with
the knowledge we can find all sorts of subcategories
by sorting, I've changed "Ginny--general" to Ginny. 
Hope that's okay.

Oh, and another question.  What do we do with posts
that have more than three topics--e.g. that "Courage,
Ron, Hermione, Harry" one I mentioned?  I just made a
second entry to hold the fourth, but I guess I don't
get the technology so I'm not sure if that was right.

Amy
suddenly worried

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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 12:35:23 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie Duncan)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:35:23 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] confused and worried Re: Latest Questions
Message-ID: <6931964fd2.64fd269319@icomcast.net>


Amy asked:

> Oh, and another question.  What do we do with posts
> 
> that have more than three topics--e.g. that "Courage,
> 
> Ron, Hermione, Harry" one I mentioned?  I just made a
> 
> second entry to hold the fourth, but I guess I don't
> 
> get the technology so I'm not sure if that was right.
> 
That raises a good question.  I had a post with seven relevant 
categories, but the entire post was about Harry.  I used 3 lines for 
the 7 categories and then began to wonder if the categories in the 
second and third lines could be searched by searching under "Harry" 
and, for example "Rule-Breaking" which was not in the first line.  I 
wasn't sure how the search function would work there but on the 
assumption that each line will be treated as though it was a separate 
and distinct post, and since I had two extra spaces anyway, I 
put "Harry" in each line.  Is this the correct way to do it?

Debbie







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 13:43:46 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:43:46 -0000
Subject: confused and worried Re: Latest Questions
In-Reply-To: <20021004114156.63351.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ank5ui+86li@eGroups.com>

Amy:

>I thought that sounded like As
> in Pressing Moral Issues, so I created a new category,
> "Evil (characters who are Ever So)."  

No, Evil is fine.

<OT posts, missing posts, and pointless drivel

> Cindy:
> 
> > I would paint them black.
 
Amy:

> I thought we just skipped them.  Why are we painting
> them black again?

Uh.

I only painted them black because that's what Dicey did.  I wasn't, 
like, thinking for myself or anything.  ;-) 

Deleting the post number and its corresponding row works as well.  
Dicey, can we do that instead?  Or is there a benefit to blacking 
things out?

Amy:

> Oh, and another question.  What do we do with posts
> that have more than three topics--e.g. that "Courage,
> Ron, Hermione, Harry" one I mentioned?  I just made a
> second entry to hold the fourth, but I guess I don't
> get the technology so I'm not sure if that was right.

On that, you could do one row with "Courage + Ron + Hermione" and a 
second row with "Courage + Harry."  But see my remarks in response 
to Debbie on another way to do it.

Um, should we be using "Trio" for anything, and if so, what?

Debbie:

>That raises a good question.  I had a post with seven relevant 
>categories, but the entire post was about Harry.  I used 3 lines 
>for the 7 categories and then began to wonder if the categories in 
>the second and third lines could be searched by searching 
>under "Harry" and, for example "Rule-Breaking" which was not in the 
>first line.  I  wasn't sure how the search function would work 
>there but on the assumption that each line will be treated as 
>though it was a separate and distinct post, and since I had two 
>extra spaces anyway, I put "Harry" in each line.  Is this the 
>correct way to do it?

Hmmm.  Let's say the post actually has substantive discussion about 
each of the seven things (not just passing references), and the 
seven Harry categories are: Rulebreaking, Eyes, Fear, Dursleys, 
Wand, Cedric, Maze.  There are two ways to code that, but one is 
slightly more efficient than the other, which I'll explain below:

Option 1:

Harry Rulebreaking Eyes
Harry Fear Dursleys
Harry Wand Cedric
Harry Maze

Option 2:

Harry Rulebreaking Eyes
Fear Dursleys Wand
Cedric Maze

I think Option Two is preferable, but either option will work.  

Remember, each line entry will have the correct message number, 
right?  (Right?  Everyone's doing that, right?) 

So under Option Two, let's assume someone is writing up a bit on 
Harry's days as an orphan with the Dursleys.  Searching for Harry 
will pull up the message number, as will searching for Dursleys.  If 
the editor is doing Harry in the Third Task, a search for Maze will 
pull up the message number, even though Harry isn't a keyword for 
that line.  And if the editor is updating the Wand FAQ, searching 
for Wand will still pull up this message number.  

The only difficulty I see with Option 2 is that the person who just 
searches for Harry won't know that the post discusses Fear, 
Dursleys, Wand, Cedric and Maze unless they read it, perhaps.

I think my assumption is that the purpose of the key word is to give 
an editor a reasonable shot at *finding* the post.  The editor will 
still have to read the comments section to get a handle on what the 
post discusses, and the editor will have to read the subset of posts 
that appear relevant based on what is said in the comments section.  
I'm also thinking that the comments section should be pretty 
comprehensive, and I'd probably use the same comprehensive comments 
section for each line of a post with multiple subjects:  "Discusses 
Harry's wand, the Third Task, the Dursleys, his eyes, and his 
fears."  Note that Excel will copy that long description for you 
once you type the first few letters of "Discusses."

Does that work?  Am I way off?

Cindy -- knowing that the chances she got all that right hover 
around 0




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Oct  4 14:19:29 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:19:29 EDT
Subject: Topic Terms; Hary Potter and the Reappearing Catalogue, etc
Message-ID: <d1.1f5740b8.2acefd71@aol.com>

Good morning. I think. Cautiously. Touching wood, etc., etc., etc..

My catalogues seem to have become uncorrupted overnight!
So I can get back to work (or at least I could if I wasn't still trying to 
deal with insurance claims and replacing all my stolen tack).

Please may I request that Evil (as in Ever-So) becomes ESE?
I have a post specifically dealing with JKR's attitudes to Evil and I can't 
think what other keyword to give it!
I didn't understand what Cindy's final ruling was on this.

And may we have a ruling on Prank vs. The Prank, please?

SHIPPING

Sorry I've been making a mess of this, but I don't do Shipping, so I didn't 
really understand the normal rules anyway.
I'm just wondering what the advantage of, say putting SHIP; LOLLIPOPS; 
Lily/Snape is over putting, SHIP; LOLLIPOPS; Lily; Snape? Particularly where 
the SHIP is only a part of the post and the characters are discussed in 
different contexts. I end up with something that looks like, SHIP; LOLLIPOPS; 
Lily/Snape; Lily; Snape, which seems to be needlessly repetitive.

If someone does a search for SHIP, then they will be able to see which 
characters are potentially involved. Or, am I right in thinking you could 
search for, say, SHIP *and* Harry, so that all permutations would appear, 
rather than having to ask for specific SHIPs from memory? Similarly, someone 
just searching for Lily will get the information that certain of those posts 
contain SHIPPING theories, no?


Should I be word-wrapping my comments? ('Cause I'm not!)

Another really dumb question. It doesn't really matter, but I'd like to know!
*Why* do we have to black out the posts we're not cataloguing, rather than 
just deleting that row of the chart altogether? (Fom this afternoon's posts 
it seems that some are and some aren't). I'm confused. As always.

Eloise
(Who has to run off to see a man about a saddle, but will check in again 
later)



From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 15:05:33 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:05:33 -0000
Subject: Topic Terms
In-Reply-To: <d1.1f5740b8.2acefd71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ankant+j73v@eGroups.com>

Eloise:


> Please may I request that Evil (as in Ever-So) becomes ESE?
> I have a post specifically dealing with JKR's attitudes to Evil 
>and I can't  think what other keyword to give it!

Hmmm.  I think I would keyword JKR's attitudes toward Evil as "JKR" 
and "Morality."  That would pick up everything -- her attitudes 
toward Evil, theft, rule-breaking, etc.  You could replace "JKR" 
with "[character name]" if someone is talking about a character's 
morality.  

Evil can remain for ESE and speculations about whether characters 
will turn dark and the like.

> And may we have a ruling on Prank vs. The Prank, please?

We shouldn't key any articles like the, an, a.  Remember, if someone 
sorts alphabetically to find all references to the prank, a keyword 
of "The Prank" won't sort with the other prank references.  It will 
sort alphabetically next to "Timeturner" or something.  

> SHIPPING

> I'm just wondering what the advantage of, say putting SHIP; 
LOLLIPOPS; 
> Lily/Snape is over putting, SHIP; LOLLIPOPS; Lily; Snape? 
Particularly where 
> the SHIP is only a part of the post and the characters are 
discussed in 
> different contexts. 

I was talking about a pure shipping post.  If the post is SHIPping 
coupled with an analysis of why Snape left the DEs, then the key 
words should reflect that.  

If, however, I used "Ship" and "Snape/Lily" but you used "SHIP" 
and "Snape" and "Lily," there's no way someone writing a SHIP FAQ 
dealing with Snape and Lily will miss either post.

Remember, we're trying to think up key words that will maximize the 
chances that an editor will find the post using logical search 
terms, and we're trying to code so that the key words sort the posts 
alphabetically in a logical fashion.  

>Or, am I right in thinking you could 
> search for, say, SHIP *and* Harry, so that all permutations would 
>appear, rather than having to ask for specific SHIPs from memory? 


A shipping editor writing a bit on who Harry will turn old and grey 
with would want to sort by SHIP, then Harry.  At that point, the 
editor can decide whether to sort one more time and see what pops up 
for "Ginny." I probably wouldn't bother and would then just use the 
comments to manually eliminate posts unlikely to be relevant.  I 
might also sort or search to what comes up under the various slash 
designations involving Harry:  H/H, H/G.

Was that clear?  Dicey, correct me if I am misunderstanding the 
Excel sort function.

> Should I be word-wrapping my comments? ('Cause I'm not!)

Dicey?

Cindy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 15:13:57 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:13:57 -0000
Subject: Blacking Out Lines
In-Reply-To: <d1.1f5740b8.2acefd71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ankb7l+lm8i@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Another really dumb question. It doesn't really matter, but I'd like
to know!
> *Why* do we have to black out the posts we're not cataloguing,
rather than 
> just deleting that row of the chart altogether? (Fom this
afternoon's posts 
> it seems that some are and some aren't). I'm confused. As always.

I was blacking them out b/c I find it easier than deleting rows. :-)
I'm more likely to make mistakes in numbering if I get rid of the
spacial coordinates (or whatever the word is). Black rows give me an
idea of where I should be and prevent me from putting things in wrong
rows.

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 15:21:28 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:21:28 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions 
Message-ID: <ankblo+rdbh@eGroups.com>

I've changed Evil (as in characters being ever so) to ESE in the
database. And Evil (as in Evil and Good) is a separate keyword.

I also changed "The Prank" to "Prank." Sorry guys for inflicting that
one on you.  

>From the "I don't know how to spell" file, is it "Apparation" or
"Apparition?" I thought it was the first but I see the second has been
put up, and I suspect I've mispelled.

Eileen




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Oct  4 15:21:57 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:21:57 -0000
Subject: Latest Questions
In-Reply-To: <anjtpc+4sme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankbml+6jks@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> 
> > What's the final ruling on OT?  Are we marking them as such or 
> just painting them black?  
> 
> I would paint them black.

I have painted them black so that the correspondence between the row
number and the message number stays the same throughout. (The message
number is always two numbers behind the row number.) That's just my
preference.  You can also delete the row outright.  In fact, before I
present my catalog segment to the main effort (however that happens),
I'm going to go back and delete the blacked-out rows.
>   
> Here's a question for Dicey, though.
>  
> Is there a way to set a hot key to black out a row?

Excel doesn't have a provision for setting your own hot keys.  It does
have some presets, though.  The only one I could find that pertains to
formatting cells is Ctrl + 1, which pulls up the Format Cells dialog
box.  If you want to look at the hot keys yourself, press the F1 key,
 click on the Index tab when the Help window comes up, type "hot_key"
in the Type Keywords field, double-click "hot_key" in the next window
down, and read the options that appear in the long window on the
right.  Try "Keys for Formatting Data."

If that doesn't work the way I just said, you've got a different
version of Excel than I do, so I don't know how to help.

--Dicey




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 15:24:14 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:24:14 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions
In-Reply-To: <ankblo+rdbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankbqu+46e3@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> I've changed Evil (as in characters being ever so) to ESE in the
> database. And Evil (as in Evil and Good) is a separate keyword.

Sorry, didn't see your post, Cindy, but I still think that's a better
way to go about it. 

"Morality" as a catch-all category doesn't appeal to me. People want
to know specifically about the trio's rule-breaking or JKR's attitude
to flat-out evil separately, methinks. 

Eileen




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Oct  4 15:25:32 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:25:32 -0000
Subject: Topic Terms
In-Reply-To: <ankant+j73v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankbtc+8i6c@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> 
> A shipping editor writing a bit on who Harry will turn old and grey 
> with would want to sort by SHIP, then Harry.  At that point, the 
> editor can decide whether to sort one more time and see what pops up 
> for "Ginny." I probably wouldn't bother and would then just use the 
> comments to manually eliminate posts unlikely to be relevant.  I 
> might also sort or search to what comes up under the various slash 
> designations involving Harry:  H/H, H/G.
> 
> Was that clear?  Dicey, correct me if I am misunderstanding the 
> Excel sort function.

Uh, that sounds about right.
> 
> > Should I be word-wrapping my comments? ('Cause I'm not!)
> 
> Dicey?

I don't think it matters.  Word wrap is a presentation thing only.  It
doesn't affect the way Excel stores the information.

--Dicey, suddenly an expert on Excel (which she hardly ever uses)




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct  4 16:11:34 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 16:11:34 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions
In-Reply-To: <ankbqu+46e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankejm+fgnm@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

I've changed Evil (as in characters being ever so) to ESE in the
> > database. And Evil (as in Evil and Good) is a separate keyword.
> 
> Sorry, didn't see your post, Cindy, but I still think that's a 
better
> way to go about it. 
> 

Given that we might (or might not) make this database available to 
people outside the group, I think Evil is probably a tad better than 
ESE.  Some people have never heard of ESE -- it's a fairly recent 
and somewhat TBAY-ish acronym, me thinks.

 
> "Morality" as a catch-all category doesn't appeal to me. People 
>want
> to know specifically about the trio's rule-breaking or JKR's 
>attitude
> to flat-out evil separately, methinks. 

I think we can all use our judgment there.  If Morality captures the 
post, go with that.  If Rule-breaking captures the post, go with 
that.  Or use both.  If the post is talking about evil in some 
general sense, go with whatever makes sense, including but not 
limited to Morality, I'd say.  Then the editor will have to use 
reasonable search/sort terms to grab the posts that touch on the 
subject.  

Cindy 




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 17:12:48 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:12:48 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions
In-Reply-To: <ankejm+fgnm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anki6g+lcdu@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Given that we might (or might not) make this database available to 
> people outside the group, 

We're going to make this database available to people outside the
group? (Envisions a storm of people demanding to know why their witty
intelligent posts were blacked out of the catalogue. JK)

>I think Evil is probably a tad better than 
> ESE.  Some people have never heard of ESE -- it's a fairly recent 
> and somewhat TBAY-ish acronym, me thinks.

Well, I've never heard of SOPE. I thought acronyms were fair game.
Maybe we should key it as Evil (Character is Evil). I suppose the
distinction I want to make is Evil (the noun) vs. Evil (the
adjective.) I don't think they're used the same way in discussions.
Someone who's dealing with discussions of JKR's moral outlook probably
won't want a whole clutter of McGonagall is evil and I can prove why
posts. 

> > "Morality" as a catch-all category doesn't appeal to me. People 
> >want
> > to know specifically about the trio's rule-breaking or JKR's 
> >attitude
> > to flat-out evil separately, methinks. 
> 
> I think we can all use our judgment there.  If Morality captures the 
> post, go with that.  If Rule-breaking captures the post, go with 
> that.  Or use both.  If the post is talking about evil in some 
> general sense, go with whatever makes sense, including but not 
> limited to Morality, I'd say.  Then the editor will have to use 
> reasonable search/sort terms to grab the posts that touch on the 
> subject.  

Right, I get you there. But I (and some others, it seems) still think
an obvious topic is "Evil - the noun" and that many posts will fit
under it.

> Uh, I think we are taking the completely wrong approach here.  Let's 
> try this instead.
> 
> Eileen, would you whip me up a complete catalogue, a Harry FAQ and a 
> Malfoy FAQ by, say <checks calendar> next Saturday?  ;-)

I think that would be considerably too much work. However, how about a
complete catalogue and FAQs on Avery, Fudge, the Crouches, the
trolley-witch, Florence, Gilderoy Lockhart, Wilkes, Cedric Diggory,
and Fleur Delacour? And Igor Karkaroff if you like. 

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 17:16:36 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:16:36 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ
In-Reply-To: <angq5e+502d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankidk+8l7n@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Porphyria Ashenden" <porphyria at m...> wrote:
> If anyone gets a chance to look, let me know what you think. 
> 
> ~Porphyria

Splendid so far. As a Snape fan, I am just going to love this document. 

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 17:32:28 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:32:28 -0000
Subject: What is it with this?
Message-ID: <ankjbc+lt8o@eGroups.com>

What is it with the guy in the red t-shirt who keeps bouncing up and
down between posts? 

It's getting very annoying.

Eileen, who notes down Cindy's stated plan to marry Fudge (back in
October 2001) to use next time Cindy accuses of her having it bad for
Crouch Sr. 




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 17:48:55 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:48:55 -0000
Subject: What is it with this?
In-Reply-To: <ankjbc+lt8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankka7+49tc@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> What is it with the guy in the red t-shirt who keeps bouncing up and
> down between posts? 
> 
> It's getting very annoying.

It's the I-Spy ad that annoys me. It takes ages to download.
> 
> Eileen, who notes down Cindy's stated plan to marry Fudge (back in
> October 2001) to use next time Cindy accuses of her having it bad 
> for Crouch Sr.

Fudge!!!!
Cindy, had you been drinking? ;-)

Pip




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 17:50:54 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:50:54 -0000
Subject: More categories
Message-ID: <ankkdu+f8ph@eGroups.com>

Nick for Nearly-Headless Nick (he has got a surname, but no-one ever 
uses it)

Favourites, for discussions of peoples favourite scenes.

My first poster on that topic mentioned so many scenes she might just 
as well have said 'the entire series...'

Pip!squeak




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 20:40:40 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:40:40 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
Message-ID: <ankuc8+qi9k@eGroups.com>

Having just strayed across another one of Cindy's posts (this one is 
her theory that Hagrid's father was actually killed by his mother), 
can anyone think of a category for general family slaughter?

Riddle is obviously a parricide, and whatever-grandparents-are-icide, 
there are several theories floating around current posts that Mummy 
Fridwulfa's going to off Hagrid (filicide), if Hagrid manages to get 
her first that's matricide...

You see my point? Any of you language experts know a word that covers 
any murder of any member of a family by any other member of that 
family?

Pip
[who is beginning to wonder if JKR actually *likes* her family...




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct  4 20:49:49 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:49:49 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <ankuc8+qi9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ankutd+htia@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> Having just strayed across another one of Cindy's posts (this one is 
> her theory that Hagrid's father was actually killed by his mother), 
> can anyone think of a category for general family slaughter?
> 
> Riddle is obviously a parricide, and whatever-grandparents-are-icide, 
> there are several theories floating around current posts that Mummy 
> Fridwulfa's going to off Hagrid (filicide), if Hagrid manages to get 
> her first that's matricide...
> 
> You see my point? Any of you language experts know a word that covers 
> any murder of any member of a family by any other member of that 
> family?
> 
> Pip
> [who is beginning to wonder if JKR actually *likes* her family...

Yes, we need a word to deal with

Riddle killing father and grandparents.
Hagrid's Mum killing Hagrid's Dad.
Crouch Jr. killing Crouch Sr.
Gran (almost) killing Frank Longbottom.
Lucius killing Draco.
Draco killing Lucius.
Lucius killing Narcissa

Pip, what's the number of Cindy's Hagrid post? It sounds like a theory
I'd like to subscribe to. 

Eileen




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Oct  5 00:11:37 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 00:11:37 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <ankutd+htia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anlanp+fcbl@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> 
> Yes, we need a word to deal with
> 
> Riddle killing father and grandparents.
> Hagrid's Mum killing Hagrid's Dad.
> Crouch Jr. killing Crouch Sr.
> Gran (almost) killing Frank Longbottom.
> Lucius killing Draco.
> Draco killing Lucius.
> Lucius killing Narcissa
> 
I Googled and Rogeted it and there is no word in English to convey
that general concept.  There is also no prefix meaining "family."  But
the Google search did turn up some neologisms: "Home"-icide to
describe teens going postal on their families and kinsman-icide to
describe what goes on  in "The Sopranos."

"Famlicide" might work, ne?

--Dicey, who likes the ring of it




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sat Oct  5 00:17:19 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:17:19 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1033777039.0.02242200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Pip asked:

> ...can anyone think of a category for general
> family slaughter?

Ah, family slaughter. Well, according to http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
the term "parricide" can cover any killing of a close relative. So that might
fit the bill, especially since parricide proper is the canon favorite so far.
What do the rest of you think?

Porphyria, meditating on her favorite Evil!Gran theory. 



From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 02:43:21 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 02:43:21 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <Springmail.0994.1033777039.0.02242200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <anljk9+aq5n@eGroups.com>

Porphyria:

> Ah, family slaughter. Well, according to http://www.m-w.com/cgi-
>bin/dictionary
> the term "parricide" can cover any killing of a close relative. 

No, I don't think so.

In my book, killing a family member should bear the key 
word "Revenge."  ;-)

Oh, and I think we should start coding all of my newbie posts as 
ESL -- Ever So Lame.

Cindy 





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct  5 03:07:26 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 03:07:26 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <anljk9+aq5n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anll1e+lsli@eGroups.com>

Found a good word in the Silmarillion:

"Kin-Slaying" 

Is Revenge good enough? I can definitely see someone wanting to search
for in-family death and destruction. After all, it seems to be key to
the series. 

They can't be as bad as mine, Cindy.

Second post to the list:

"Has anyone considered what JKR said about Hermione/Ron?

Q. Is it just me, or was something going on between Ron and Hermione
during the last half of Goblet of Fire? I love your books, by the way,
and two of them I've read straight through cover to cover in under 24
hours.

A. Well done on the reading speed! Yes, something's "going on," but
Ron doesn't realize it yet. Typical boy.

? Barnes&Noble.com, OCTOBER 20, 2000

So, Hermione's the one who knows something's "going on." Interesting.

Eileen"

Ah, they must have winced. Why couldn't I be like Elkins who
scandalized the entire list with her first post and became an instant
celebrity? 

And oh the delusions I had back then! LOLLIPOPS, OBHWF, Hagrid was
endearing, Voldemort was an ordinary evil overlord (MAGIC DISHWASHER
has taught me better), Lupin should have kept teaching at Hogwarts,
Avery and Nott were the same person (Avery Nott), and that the scene
where Dumbledore gave them all those points was heartwarming. 

And then this list taught me, "There is no such thing as good or evil
intrepretations. Only subversion and those too afraid to use it."

Eileen


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Porphyria:
> 
> > Ah, family slaughter. Well, according to http://www.m-w.com/cgi-
> >bin/dictionary
> > the term "parricide" can cover any killing of a close relative. 
> 
> No, I don't think so.
> 
> In my book, killing a family member should bear the key 
> word "Revenge."  ;-)
> 
> Oh, and I think we should start coding all of my newbie posts as 
> ESL -- Ever So Lame.
> 
> Cindy




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct  5 08:38:10 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:38:10 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <anll1e+lsli@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anm8di+cg77@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> Found a good word in the Silmarillion:
> 
> "Kin-Slaying" 
> 
<Snip>

Do I get casting vote as the FAQ-er who first brought the topic up? 
If so, I go for "Kin-slaying"

Both 'parricide' as a general term and 'revenge' would require 
explanation; whereas 'kin-slaying' is going to be immediately obvious 
to any new FAQ-er.

Besides, JKR has obviously read Greek mythology (Fluffy, anyone?) and 
if she's working her way through the legends we have *accidental* kin-
slayings to look forward to. Oedipus killed his father in a fight, 
not for revenge - at that point he didn't know who his father *was*.

[Evil Thought] Oh, and if she's working through the Greek myths - 
incest. Can you imagine the interesting shade of pale green her 
publishers are going to go if she tells them a series they're 
marketing at 9 to 12 year olds is going to have *incest* in Book 5, 6 
or 7? [grin]

[First Posts]
Eileen:
> They can't be as bad as mine, Cindy.
<Snip>.

> 
> Ah, they must have winced. Why couldn't I be like Elkins who
> scandalized the entire list with her first post and became an 
> instant celebrity? 
> > 
> Eileen"

She did? Has anyone catalogued that post? If so, could you send me 
the message number?

My first post was pretty lame too. Pointing out Ron's similarities to 
Snape. Which would have been ok, except I came in at the end of a 
thread which had started with that very same point...

<Snip>
> And then this list taught me, "There is no such thing as good or 
> evil intrepretations. Only subversion and those too afraid to use  
> it."
> 

Yup. To misquote the old News of the World editor [British tabloid 
with notoriously low standards of veracity] : 
"never mind whether it's true or not, will it make a good post?"

Pip
> 
> 





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 11:47:08 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:47:08 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <anm8di+cg77@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anmjfs+q7s9@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

>Is Revenge good enough? 


Uh, I was just joking about the revenge thing.  You know, kind of 
joshing about how that would be my motivation if I were to kill a 
family member?  Heh, heh.  Heh.

Cindy -- who needs to use more smiley faces :-D






From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Oct  5 12:02:20 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:02:20 EDT
Subject: Parricide and other terms
Message-ID: <49.24d6e7a4.2ad02ecc@aol.com>

The trouble with any of these terms (and I have to agree with Porphyria, that 
parricide *is* technically the correct term for any of these killings, 
although particularly of parents) that they require someone coming along 
later to look throught the list of terms first, before deciding what to 
search for. I think I would more instinctively look for parricide than I 
would for something beginning with 'kin' and that we just have to explain any 
terms that might be open to misinterpretation, or have a wider application 
than at first appears.

(I'd just written a paragraph explaining why 'revenge' didn't seem right, 
which was leading into a nice theory about Sirius being Snape's father via 
use of a Time Turner, hence wanting to feed him to the Dementors out of 
revenge would be attempted parricide, but I seem to have got the wrong end of 
the stick along with Eileen!  :-) ! )

Perhaps we should eventually organise the list of terms thematically, as well 
as alphabetically, if it gets as large as it threatens to?

Someone mentioned they were keying JKR as Rowling (though it's not on the 
list yet). Which should we use? I vote for JKR.

Shipping (yet again). I see 'SHIP: Harry'; 'SHIP: Cho' on the list.
I'm still confused about how I should be doing this.

(LOONily)...Doesn't 'plagiarism' have an 'i' in it?

Eloise



From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 12:29:17 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:29:17 -0000
Subject: Parricide and other terms
In-Reply-To: <49.24d6e7a4.2ad02ecc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anmlut+45qe@eGroups.com>

Eloise:

I would think "Murder" with additional key words to identify victim 
and assailant and comments would work?

> Perhaps we should eventually organise the list of terms 
>thematically, as well as alphabetically, if it gets as large as it 
>threatens to?

Mmmm, maybe.  At this point, we should wait so that people can find 
terms quickly by reading the list alphabetically.  
 
>Which should we use? I vote for JKR.


JKR.


 
> Shipping (yet again). I see 'SHIP: Harry'; 'SHIP: Cho' on the list.
> I'm still confused about how I should be doing this.

Yes, someone is using that convention.  I think it is simpler to 
code a discussion of who Cho will marry as "SHIP" and "Cho."  If 
nothing else, it eliminates an entry in the terms database with no 
loss of precision in the catalogue itself.

BTW . . . 

Someone entered "Get fuzzy -- comic strip" into the database.  Is 
that a reference to an OT post?  Should I delete it?

Also, I deleted "Cho," Ginny," "Harry," "Jorkins," 
and "Hermione," "Molly," because the list will get too long if we 
include character names.  I left things like "Myrtle" where there 
might be confusion about the character's name (compare with "Moaning 
Myrtle").  I also left "Crookshanks" and "Scabber" because of the 
possibility of confusion -- 

Otherwise, I think we can assume that our general naming rule will 
make things clear:  "1. Character names -- all students go by first 
name. All adults go by last, except for where this would be 
confusing (Weasleys, Potters)."  No need to enter the name of each 
Weasley and each Potter into the database.

Cindy





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 12:35:10 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Keyword Questions and Parricide
References: <ankblo+rdbh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c26c6b$a5396de0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Catching up on yesterday's debates:

<<<From the "I don't know how to spell" file, is it "Apparation" or
"Apparition?" I thought it was the first but I see the second has been
put up, and I suspect I've mispelled.>>>

I actually looked it up in the dictionary before I put it into the list.  It's not a word I use regularly . . . .

"Morality" as a catch-all category doesn't appeal to me. People want
to know specifically about the trio's rule-breaking or JKR's attitude
to flat-out evil separately, methinks.

I used this term only for posts discussing whether the series overall is a "moral" work.  Though these posts usually talk about rulebreaking etc., the morality point is much broader.  Should I add a parenthetical to the terms list?


<<<Having just strayed across another one of Cindy's posts (this one is 
her theory that Hagrid's father was actually killed by his mother), 
can anyone think of a category for general family slaughter?

Huh?  *I* strayed across one of Cindy's posts in which she claimed that Hagrid murdered his mother during the Grindelwald wars.  I'm beginning to see a pattern . . . .

[First Posts]
Eileen:
> They can't be as bad as mine, Cindy.
<Snip>.

> 
> Ah, they must have winced. Why couldn't I be like Elkins who
> scandalized the entire list with her first post and became an 
> instant celebrity? 
> > 
> Eileen"

She did? Has anyone catalogued that post? If so, could you send me 
the message number?

Send it to me, too, please.  But right now, I'm going over to webview to delete all my early posts before someone gets around to cataloguing them,  just to spare myself the humiliation. <just kidding>

Debbie
off to go camping with the Cub Scouts, praying for clear weather






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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 12:57:24 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:57:24 -0000
Subject: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parricide)
In-Reply-To: <00b501c26c6b$a5396de0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <anmnjk+i9bl@eGroups.com>

Debbie:

> "Morality" as a catch-all category doesn't appeal to me. People 
>want to know specifically about the trio's rule-breaking or JKR's 
>attitude to flat-out evil separately, methinks.

No problem.  No one has to use "Morality" unless the post discusses, 
well, morality.  If the post discusses "Rule-breaking," go with 
that.  Same for "Lying," "Theft," and so forth.

<Elkins' first post> 

All right, all right!  Settle down, there.  ;-)

As I am so thrilled with the job you guys are doing, I will favor 
you all with a bit of information.  

*Embarrassing* information.  Which is the very best kind of 
information, if you ask me.

Check these first posts of certain FAQers:

Amy -- 7904
Eloise - 31259
Penny -- Archives Yahoo Clubs 457
Eileen -- 29981
Elkins -- 33804
Dicey -- 32585
Gwen -- 12120
Porphyria -- 32057
Pip -- 38788
Debbie -- 32984

Did I miss anyone?  ;-)

Cindy




From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Oct  5 13:45:03 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:45:03 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parricide)
In-Reply-To: <anmnjk+i9bl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c26c75$6b975b10$0201a8c0@Frodo>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cindy C. [mailto:cindysphynx at comcast.net] 

> 
> Did I miss anyone?  ;-)
> 

Mine:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/message/3523





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct  5 16:39:19 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:39:19 -0000
Subject: Elkins' Scandalous First Post
Message-ID: <ann4jn+pcrs@eGroups.com>

Sorry, I'd misremembered. It wasn't her first post that scandalized
everyone. That post "Snape liked his DE friends" did scandalize
certain people, but I was thinking of another of her early posts:
Snape and the Longbottoms (33934), in which she proceeded to destroy
the reputation of Alastor Moody and wrote, "My original de-lurk
actually had some very harsh things to say about Aurors, but I was too
cowardly to leave them in."

Cindy and I (Moody lovers both) were scandalized. Someone then flamed
her for letting the terrorists win. :-) Arghhh... it was bad! So bad
that I stopped being scandalized and weighed in our her side.

Going off to check Cindy's list of first posts,

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct  5 16:41:39 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:41:39 -0000
Subject: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parricide)
In-Reply-To: <anmnjk+i9bl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ann4o3+vac8@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
> Check these first posts of certain FAQers:
> 
> Amy -- 7904
> Eloise - 31259
> Penny -- Archives Yahoo Clubs 457
> Eileen -- 29981
> Elkins -- 33804
> Dicey -- 32585
> Gwen -- 12120
> Porphyria -- 32057
> Pip -- 38788
> Debbie -- 32984
> 
> Did I miss anyone?  ;-)

Yourself. But you know that don't you?

Off to Paul's wonderful spreadsheet,

Eileen





From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  5 16:57:34 2002
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parricide)
In-Reply-To: <ann4o3+vac8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021005165734.21972.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>

Heidi: 3523 (old club)
and me as smitster1: 35 (also old club)
--- lucky_kari <lucky_kari at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
> > Check these first posts of certain FAQers:
> > 
> > Amy -- 7904
> > Eloise - 31259
> > Penny -- Archives Yahoo Clubs 457
> > Eileen -- 29981
> > Elkins -- 33804
> > Dicey -- 32585
> > Gwen -- 12120
> > Porphyria -- 32057
> > Pip -- 38788
> > Debbie -- 32984
> > 
> > Did I miss anyone?  ;-)
> 
> Yourself. But you know that don't you?
> 
> Off to Paul's wonderful spreadsheet,
> 
> Eileen
> 
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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Oct  5 17:33:45 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:33:45 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parrici...
Message-ID: <150.154354e2.2ad07c79@aol.com>

Eileen:

> > Did I miss anyone?  ;-)
> 
> Yourself. But you know that don't you?
> 
> Off to Paul's wonderful spreadsheet,
> 

Ah, but in fairness, Cindy *did* expose herself publically on her 
anniversary. (It was #24603, for anyone who missed it.)

Eloise
(Who *still* can't open Paul's wonderful spreadsheet, FWIW, but knows when to 
admit defeat!)


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct  5 21:16:17 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:16:17 -0000
Subject: Need a Second Opinion 
Message-ID: <annkr1+k5ka@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I've run across a certain type of post a few times, and I'm 
wondering how others are handling it.  The posts in question are 
often (but not always) brief statements of opinion, sometimes in 
response to Chapter Summary questions.  Here's an example from a 
post that answers each of 10 Chapter Summary Questions:

*********

> 6. Why was Harry in the Transfiguration corridor? Is that the way 
> to Gryffindor Tower?

I have to admit that my mind shuts down sometimes when we're 
traveling from one room to another in Hogwarts. I've long ago given 
up trying to remember where everything is in relation to everything 
else. Good thing I'm not a student there - I'd probably be able to 
find Hagrid's hut, the greenhouses, the Forbidden Forest and the 
lake. Other than that, I'd be the Neville Longbottom of classroom 
location.

******************

The post answers all 10 Chapter Summary questions in that fashion.  
I'm torn -- if this post were a stand-alone post, I would consider 
it too insubstantial to include in the catalogue.  But then again, 
the post as a whole is substantial in a sense because it addresses 
10 different subjects in an articulate (if superficial) way.

Are the rest of you including that sort of thing in your 
catalogues?  

I'm having some trouble drawing the line.

Cindy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  5 21:53:40 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:53:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Need a Second Opinion
In-Reply-To: <annkr1+k5ka@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021005215340.12192.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>

Cindy quoted:

> > 6. Why was Harry in the Transfiguration corridor?
> Is that the way 
> > to Gryffindor Tower?
> 
> I have to admit that my mind shuts down sometimes
> when we're 
> traveling from one room to another in Hogwarts. I've
> long ago given 
> up trying to remember where everything is in
> relation to everything 
> else. Good thing I'm not a student there - I'd
> probably be able to 
> find Hagrid's hut, the greenhouses, the Forbidden
> Forest and the 
> lake. Other than that, I'd be the Neville Longbottom
> of classroom 
> location.
> 
> ******************
> 
> The post answers all 10 Chapter Summary questions in
> that fashion.  
> I'm torn -- if this post were a stand-alone post, I
> would consider 
> it too insubstantial to include in the catalogue. 
> But then again, 
> the post as a whole is substantial in a sense
> because it addresses 
> 10 different subjects in an articulate (if
> superficial) way.
> 

I hate to say this, because that sounds like something
I would have written, but I don't think it adds
anything, really--either in terms of canon or opinion.
 If it said just a bit more about how Hogwarts doesn't
actually fit on a map, or something, or if the opinion
given were on something of burning interest ("How many
people hate Ginny?  Raise your hands"), I'd say it
contributed something.  As is it's really a zero, and
zero x 10 is still zero.  If I were cataloguing it I'd
see whether any of the points were more substantive
than this.

Harsh!Amy

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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct  5 22:14:50 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:14:50 -0000
Subject: Need a Second Opinion
In-Reply-To: <20021005215340.12192.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <anno8q+4rr2@eGroups.com>

I've been leaving them out, Cindy. And there's a lot of them at
certain points.

Eileen

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Amy Z <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> Cindy quoted:
> 
> > > 6. Why was Harry in the Transfiguration corridor?
> > Is that the way 
> > > to Gryffindor Tower?
> > 
> > I have to admit that my mind shuts down sometimes
> > when we're 
> > traveling from one room to another in Hogwarts. I've
> > long ago given 
> > up trying to remember where everything is in
> > relation to everything 
> > else. Good thing I'm not a student there - I'd
> > probably be able to 
> > find Hagrid's hut, the greenhouses, the Forbidden
> > Forest and the 
> > lake. Other than that, I'd be the Neville Longbottom
> > of classroom 
> > location.
> > 
> > ******************
> > 
> > The post answers all 10 Chapter Summary questions in
> > that fashion.  
> > I'm torn -- if this post were a stand-alone post, I
> > would consider 
> > it too insubstantial to include in the catalogue. 
> > But then again, 
> > the post as a whole is substantial in a sense
> > because it addresses 
> > 10 different subjects in an articulate (if
> > superficial) way.
> > 
> 
> I hate to say this, because that sounds like something
> I would have written, but I don't think it adds
> anything, really--either in terms of canon or opinion.
>  If it said just a bit more about how Hogwarts doesn't
> actually fit on a map, or something, or if the opinion
> given were on something of burning interest ("How many
> people hate Ginny?  Raise your hands"), I'd say it
> contributed something.  As is it's really a zero, and
> zero x 10 is still zero.  If I were cataloguing it I'd
> see whether any of the points were more substantive
> than this.
> 
> Harsh!Amy
> 
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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct  5 22:50:36 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:50:36 -0000
Subject: Morality & First Posts (WAS Keyword Questions and Parricide)
In-Reply-To: <anmnjk+i9bl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <annqbs+ekm3@eGroups.com>


> 
> Check these first posts of certain FAQers:
> 

> Pip -- 38788

> 
> Did I miss anyone?  ;-)
> 
> Cindy

Well, no - except #38788 is by Heidi, not me. 

My real first post is #38883, which isn't the one I remember being my 
first post at all. It's actually an annoyingly sensible one 
about 'Evil and Slytherin'. 

The embarrassing 'Ron' one is #38947, if anyone wants to snigger. 

Obviously I found it so embarrassing that I'd prefer to remember it 
as my *first* post, because that's a good excuse. ;-)

Pip
[Elkins one about Moody was a humdinger, wasn't it?]





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Oct  5 23:01:03 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:01:03 -0000
Subject: Parricide and other terms
In-Reply-To: <anmlut+45qe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <annqvf+mrg0@eGroups.com>


> Eloise:
> 
> I would think "Murder" with additional key words to identify victim 
> and assailant and comments would work?
> 
<Snip>> 
>  
>
Hmmm... my trouble is that murder within families does seem to be a 
theme in the books, and might later require an FAQ. 

If we stick with just 'Murder' as the keyword, whoever is editing is 
going to have to sort through all the non-family murders. Of which 
there are a lot.

I think that yes, we *are* going to have to assume that someone is 
going to have to read through the key word definitions first. If 
so, 'kin-slaying' is more immediately obvious than 'parricide' and 
more specific than 'murder'.

The alternative seems to be to use TWO keywords - murder, and kin. 
Which is not good.

Pip




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct  5 23:27:23 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 23:27:23 -0000
Subject: Parricide and other terms
In-Reply-To: <annqvf+mrg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <annsgr+hogu@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> Hmmm... my trouble is that murder within families does seem to be a 
> theme in the books, and might later require an FAQ. 

Exactly. JKR really seems to be up on her mythology and legend. 

> 
> If we stick with just 'Murder' as the keyword, whoever is editing is 
> going to have to sort through all the non-family murders. Of which 
> there are a lot.
> 
> I think that yes, we *are* going to have to assume that someone is 
> going to have to read through the key word definitions first. If 
> so, 'kin-slaying' is more immediately obvious than 'parricide' and 
> more specific than 'murder'.

Let's make it "kin-slaying," please, Cindy? It's a nice word, and it
appeals to my Lucky_Kari persona. The sort of thing that went on in
the Njal Saga a lot. And it's used by Tolkien. What else could you want?

Eileen, donning her Viking helmet to battle for "kin-slaying" 





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct  6 01:58:19 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:58:19 -0000
Subject: First Posts 
In-Reply-To: <annqbs+ekm3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ano5br+kpnd@eGroups.com>

Pip:

> My real first post is #38883, which isn't the one I remember being 
>my first post at all. 

Oh, dear!  Pip is right; I made a mistake.

Is . . . is there anything I can do to make it up to you, Pip?

What's that?  You want me to copy your first post, right out here 
where everyone can see it?  Well, OK, if you insist.  ;-)

Cindy -- who does apologize for the error and notes that Pip's first 
post was first-rate

**********************
Delurking and making my first post in fear and trembling...

James (Archaologee) writes <38878>

>Slytherins....

>The books are told from Harry's pov.

>Harry was almost put in slytherin.

>He dislikes the people from slytherin he encounters and holds his 
>own house paramount.

>Of course he sees the slytherins a evil, he was so worried that he 
>was almost put there he even goes for a second opinion (whilst left 
>alone in Dumbledore's office) he loves his house and doubts 
himself, 
>he wants to bury any idea that he may belong anywhere else. So... 
He 
>vilifies the other place to make it easier to defend his inclusion 
in 
>the place he wants to be.

>Forgive the pop. psycology (some of my friends would kill me for 
>that), I know it's not that simple - but it does explain why he is 
so 
>unwilling to see good in the Slytherins or the vitues of that house 
>(despite Dumbledore's championing of their cause - a sign that JKR 
>doesn't see them as all evil)


I think James has a good point there. Harry is very unwilling to see 
any good in Slytherin - and we are seeing things exclusively from 
his 
pov. 

We know that one of JKR's themes throughout the books is the unfair 
way the WW treats many minority groups-particularly in PoA and GoF - 
and usually Harry, who was brought up outside the WW, can see this 
very clearly, and doesn't buy into it. But I'm beginning to wonder.

Harry's opinion of Slytherin is first coloured by his meeting with 
Draco - who he doesn't like, and who spouts some pretty nasty 
opinions (PS/SS, UK paperback pp 60-61). Then he gets told about 
Slytherin by Hagrid:
"There's not a single witch or wizard who went bad who wasn't in 
Slytherin. You-know-who was one." (pp 61-62)

At this point, Hagrid is almost the only person eleven year old 
Harry 
can remember who's ever been nice to him. He doesn't know anything 
about the WW, and he's going to treat whatever Hagrid says as 'true'.
And certainly, most of the non-Slytherin WW shares the same opinion.

Thereafter he sees House Slytherin through that prejudice - he is 
consistently told that Snape is trustworthy, but doesn't trust him; 
he notices only Draco and his nasty little gang and dismisses 
evidence of 'good' Slytherins - in GoF how much courage did it take 
for that minority of Slytherins to stand up and salute him? (GoF, UK 
hardback p627) He assumes that being in Slytherin would have been 
bad 
for him - despite the Sorting Hat twice telling him he'd have done 
well there, and despite the fact that in CoS Dumbledore never says 
that being in Slytherin would have been bad for him - he only says 
that Harry has chosen to be a true Gryffindor (CoS, UK paperback 
p.244-245)

The question is, is 'ain't no such thing as a good Slytherin' JKR's 
own opinion? Or are the readers being set up for a nice big bang? 
Where Harry has to acknowledge that he has his own nasty little 
prejudices - or that, like Draco, he has taken on his father's 
prejudices?

Pip
(who will now sneak away and hope this hasn't already been discussed 
in detail).


 

 


It's actually an annoyingly sensible one 
> about 'Evil and Slytherin'. 
> 
> The embarrassing 'Ron' one is #38947, if anyone wants to snigger. 
> 
> Obviously I found it so embarrassing that I'd prefer to remember 
it 
> as my *first* post, because that's a good excuse. ;-)
> 
> Pip
> [Elkins one about Moody was a humdinger, wasn't it?]




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct  6 01:59:44 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:59:44 -0000
Subject: Parricide and other terms
In-Reply-To: <annsgr+hogu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ano5eg+fmem@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> > Hmmm... my trouble is that murder within families does seem to 
be a 
> > theme in the books, and might later require an FAQ. 
> 
> Exactly. JKR really seems to be up on her mythology and legend. 
> 
> > 
> > If we stick with just 'Murder' as the keyword, whoever is 
editing is 
> > going to have to sort through all the non-family murders. Of 
which 
> > there are a lot.
> > 
> > I think that yes, we *are* going to have to assume that someone 
is 
> > going to have to read through the key word definitions first. If 
> > so, 'kin-slaying' is more immediately obvious than 'parricide' 
and 
> > more specific than 'murder'.
> 
> Let's make it "kin-slaying," please, Cindy? It's a nice word, and 
it
> appeals to my Lucky_Kari persona. The sort of thing that went on in
> the Njal Saga a lot. And it's used by Tolkien. What else could you 
want?
> 
> Eileen, donning her Viking helmet to battle for "kin-slaying"


Absolutely!  Sounds like a good plan!

Cindy -- who isn't getting any juicy posts about murder in her batch 
of posts :-(




From skelkins at attbi.com  Sun Oct  6 02:25:49 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 02:25:49 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions, Protocol Guidelines, and SHIPping
Message-ID: <ano6vd+c162@eGroups.com>

Elkins claws her way out from under a tottering pile of manilla 
folders, each one labelled with words like "Boggart," "Train," 
"Potion" and "Name," and staggers to her feet.  Halfway across her 
office, she trips over the stuffed-to-bursting "Ever So Evil" file, 
stumbles, pinwheels wildly for a few moments, ricochets off of the 
large trash bin labelled "Plot Hole That Must Not Be Named," and 
finally comes to a rest lying half on top of the paper shredder 
marked "Hey,what's With That Briefcase, Anyway?"  She closes her eyes 
and moans.

It suddenly occurs to Elkins that it might be nice to just die here.  
They could find her body like this, draped over the Briefcase File, a 
scrap of paper marked "Does anyone know what the J. stands for?" 
still clutched in her cold stiff fingers.  

But no.  No, that just wouldn't do.  There is work to be done, after 
all, and besides, there have probably been a couple of posts to the 
FAQ list in the past week.  Just a couple.  One or two. It's even 
possible that people have actually begun cataloguing -- although 
really, that's hardly likely, is it?  No, probably no sense in being 
too optimistic here.  Optimism only leads to disappointment.  

Elkins sighs.  She pulls herself wearily to her feet, shuffles across 
the room, pauses to shift the "Non-Compliance" file out of the way, 
and yanks open the door.  

At first the noise and bustle and light is all just a bit too much.  
After a week of retreat, it registers as little more than random 
sensory input.  Only gradually does Elkins begin to make sense of 
what she is seeing.  She stares. Her jaw drops.  Then she falls to 
her knees and bursts into tears of helpless gratitude and relief.

--------------------------

Wow!

You guys are truly, sincerely awesome.  You have been doing such 
great work, all of you.  I don't even know how to begin to register 
my excitement over how this project is going.

It's a bit late for me to welcome Porphyria, Eloise, Pip, Debbie and 
Eileen, but I'm going to do it anyway.  <waves to killer catalogue 
team>  

Gwen and Porphyia, great job with SnapeFAQ!  I've just read over the 
docs so far, and they look fantastic.  Cindy, the History FAQ looks 
great.  

Dicey, we Luddites would be lost without you!  I know that I've been 
immensely relieved to see many of the so-called "silly questions" 
that people have been asking here, because I had the exact same ones 
myself, and now I'm spared the embarrassment of having to ask them.  
Your explanations have been super-helpful, and the "how to use Excel" 
document is a work of beauty.  Thanks so much.

I hope that Eloise's children are better, that Pip's computer has 
shaped up, and that Cindy and Porphyria enjoyed their anniversaries.  
My own wedding anniversary, which was on October 1, very nearly 
passed me by but fortunately, this year I had HPfGU to remind me of 
it before the day had ended.  Even more fortunately, I remembered it 
*before* the Spouse did this year -- which is a first for me.  Then, 
we're neither of us too good at that sort of thing.  We usually don't 
remember it until sometime around the middle of October.  Still,
though, the Spouse usually gets there first, so I was pleased to beat 
him out on it this time around.  ;-)

On the LupiFAQ front, the preliminary culling of the archives is now 
completed.  Amy and I should be moving on to the arranging stage next 
(I've sent you all of the Briefcase posts to sort through, Amy.  Hope 
you don't mind. <eg>)

I've also starting my own cataloging today, by the way.  The list was 
very obliging in reaching message #45,000 on *precisely* the same day 
that I returned.  It might have been nice to have a day off, of 
course.  Oh, well.  Never mind.

It's taken me some time to finish playing catch-up on everything 
that's happened here.  Now that I'm caught up, here are some thoughts 
on a few of our more pressing protocol issues.  Nitpicks and trivia 
to follow.


---------------------------

JUDGEMENT CALLS

First off, just a word about judgement calls (or "judgment calls," 
for all you lawyers out there).

There's been a lot of back and forth about certain keyword issues 
these past few days.  That's not a bad thing at *all.*  It's great 
that everyone is feeling so involved and enthusiastic about the 
project, and a lot of the exchanges have been very useful in terms of 
making sure that we're all on the same page, especially when it comes 
to reaching a shared understanding of how we're using terms 
like "redemption," "prediction," "prophecy," and so forth.

I would like to suggest, though, that we might want to try not to get 
*too* stressed about all of the consistency issues at this stage in 
the game. Obviously we don't want to be all over the map in our 
keywords, but if there's a bit of variation, it's really not a 
disaster.  Once the catalogue is completed, we're all going to have 
to sit down with the keyword list and discuss consistency issues 
anyway, so if there are minor variations at this stage of the 
project, it's not a big problem.  We will have the opportunity 
to iron out all the wrinkles later on.

Also bear in mind that to some extent, responsibility for actually 
*using* this catalogue is going to have to fall on the shoulders of 
the FAQ editors themselves.  We do want to make it as easy as 
possible for the FAQ writers to find relevant posts, yes.  But the 
FAQ editors themselves will also need to have the presence of mind to 
use the database sensibly in order to find what they want.  

If a message about the judicial branch of the MoM, for example, ends 
up being marked with keywords "Law," "Crouch," and "Auror," then it's 
really not a disaster if it is not also marked with the 
keyword "MoM."  Honest.  It really isn't.  It's fine, because any 
sane person looking for posts about the MoM's judicial system would 
think to try the word "Law."  The end users are not going to be 
looking for just one keyword and leaving it at that, so there's no 
need to get too worked up about making sure that every conceivable 
keyword that could possibly be applied to a given post gets entered.

In short, while we naturally want to be both consistent and 
descriptive, we can safely assume that the people who will actually 
be using this document are not going to be *brain-dead.*  

So I don't think that it's necessary for us to get too flustered over 
minor variations in keyword designation.  If there's a bit of 
variation, that's okay.  We can fix it later.  Let's try to focus our 
attention on Big Fat Problematic Inconsistencies for now, and save 
the tinkering for later. 



THE KEYWORD DATABASE 


This is a great tool, and it makes for fun reading, too.  I've just 
started my own chunk today, though, and I've found that having a 
plain old text list of the keywords to date printed out and sitting 
beside my computer has been very useful.

Unfortunately, if there's a quick and easy way to know when something 
new has been added to the database, I'm unfamiliar with it.

So just a request.  If people could post to the group itself whenever 
they make any new additions or changes to the database, that would be 
very helpful.

I know that you've all pretty much been doing this anyway, but I 
don't think that it was ever stated explicitly (unless I missed it 
somewhere in the hundred or so messages that I've been catching up 
with).  So I thought that I'd make it a more formal request.  It will 
be *much* easier for me, and probably others, to keep up to date on 
the current keywords if people's changes or additions to the 
database get posted to the list as well.

Debbie asked:

> Topic terms: Do we want new topic terms to be posted here for 
> debate/approval? Or should we just upload them to the list if those 
> subjects aren't yet covered?

Cindy replied:

> I think we should just upload them, and only raise questions when 
> we aren't sure the best way to go about things.  

I agree.  I'm not sure if I think that too much quibbling over 
keywords is really all that productive a use of our time.  We're all 
smart people with good judgement, we're all here by invitation, and 
we all trust each other (I hope).  So I think that unless we feel a 
strong need for a second opinion, we should all feel free to upload 
new terms to the database, and then post to the list to inform 
everyone of what we have done.

Practicing what I preach here, I have just added the following terms 
to the database:

Book Five (OoP)
Theory (literary criticism)

I have also edited for spelling:

"Plagarism" has now been changed to "Plagiarism."


Eloise asked:

> Are we supposed to list *every* topic term we use?

Only ones that are not mind-numbingly obvious, I'd say.  In other 
words, I don't think that we need database entries for the names of 
characters.  We all know that "Harry" is a keyword.  Same for "Snape."

Anything less obvious, though, then I'd say go right ahead and add 
it.  It's probably better to err on the side of caution here.



GRANULARITY ISSUES

A good deal of the discussion here seems to have centered on 
granularity issues: how specific should keywords be?  

I think that here it may be useful to try to keep in mind how this 
database is likely to be used, and for what purposes.

To give an example of how this principle might be applied in 
practice, let's take the question of relationships between 
characters.  How should they be designated?

Well, okay.  Let's say that I was writing the Dumbledore FAQ, and I 
wanted to find a good post on Dumbledore's relationship to Snape.

The first thing that I would do would be to ask Excel to sort by 
"Dumbledore."  This would turn up all of the entries that used 
"Dumbledore" as one of the keywords.  (I would probably already have 
done this, actually, but soft. This is a hypothetical.)

The next thing that I would do would be to tell Excel to sort the 
next columns for "Snape."  This would pull to the top every 
"Dumbledore" entry that also had a "Snape" keyword.

Then I would read the "comment" fields for those posts to see which of
them contained the sort of subject matter that I was looking for, 
keeping an eye out for descriptions like "Snape's relationship with 
Dumbledore," "Dumbledore as Snape's father figure," "Was Snape told 
about Sirius as animagus?" and so forth.

Now, if (for some sick and twisted reason) I was specifically looking 
for posts discussing the possibility that Snape and Dumbledore 
are ::shudder:: *lovers,* then I would narrow my search down still 
further, by asking Excel to sort not only by "Snape" 
and "Dumbledore," but also by keyword "SHIP."  

So neither Dumbledore-Snape nor Dumbledore/Snape is necessary as a 
keyword.  In fact, their use could be damaging, because it would 
prevent those posts from turning up on a simple "Dumbledore" search.  
If somebody wants a list of every message dealing with Dumbledore, 
then we want them to be able to find them all by simply sorting on 
keyword "Dumbledore."  Keyword "Dumbledore" is not the same thing as 
keyword "Dumbledore/Snape," and keyword "Snape/Dumbledore" is worse 
still (from the point of view of the Dumbledore FAQ editor), because 
it wouldn't even be anywhere *near* to "Dumbledore" in the 
alphabetical array.

So we really don't want to get too specific with the keywords.  When 
in doubt, it's always better to add on more keywords than to try to 
make the keywords themselves more specific.  The place for 
specificity is in the "comments" field, where the more full a 
description you can give of the argument of the message (within 
reason), the better.  The keywords themselves, however, should be
reasonably broad.

Maybe a bit of brushing up on what spreadsheet programs are capable 
of might be in order here?  I'm a Luddite myself, but after I 
finished churning my butter this morning, I played around with Excel 
a bit, and it can do a *lot.*  I think that maybe people aren't quite 
appreciating the sort of sorting functions that the program itself 
can take care of for us.

Amy, for example, asked:

> My big question is how specific to get in creating categories. . 
> . . First post, topic: Ginny.  It's a general post (not very 
> interesting, truth be told) and I thought, what if I were using 
> this catalogue to write a FAQ on Ginny?  Wouldn't it be great if 
> the catalogue did what I was going to have to do otherwise: not only
> find all the Ginny posts but put them into categories?

As I understand it, that's what the spreadsheet program is for.

Excel can do that sorting for us.  That was the reason that in the 
end we decided to go with Excel for the final product, rather than 
with Word or any other word processor.

> Or--<holds breath>--will there be a way for users of this catalogue 
> to search for cross-listings, so that anyone looking for posts on 
> Snape's loyalty can seek out those posts that deal with both Snape 
> AND loyalty and scoop 'em all up like that?  

Yup!  Sure is.  So you can let your breath out now, Amy.  ;-)

Yes, that's how it works.  If you wanted to look for posts on Snape's 
loyalty, you would tell Excel to sort by "Snape," and then by 
"Loyalty."  That's the program's function.  

It's beautiful, isn't it?

<Elkins pauses, smiling dreamily at the thought of spreadsheets.  
Then she realizes that this only proves that she is *demented.*  She 
sighs and moves on.>

So, yeah.  Don't try to get too specific with the keywords 
themselves.  As counter-intuitive as this may seem, the final product 
really won't be nearly as useful if the keywords aren't relatively 
broad in scope.


Now, as for how this relates to shipping...

Cindy and I have discussed this issue, and we've come to the 
following decision.


SHIPPING POSTS


Eloise suggested:

> How about we take a ruling from higher authority on that one?

And Eileen agreed, crying:

> We need a ruling on high about SHIPs! Complete with guidelines,
> examples, etc. 


Okay.  You want a ruling from on high?  

Here's a ruling from on high.

<Elkins stands on her tippy-toes in a rather sad attempt to look like 
Somebody Important>

Relationships between characters should not be expressed by means of 
the keywords at *all.*  Leave that to the content field.

A LOLLIPOPS post, for example, might have keywords "Snape," 
"Lily," "James," "SHIP," and (if it were TBAYish) "LOLLIPOPS."  

The description of the post could then read: "Brilliant LOLLIPOPS 
defense," or "Snape loved Lily," or "Snape not only loved Lily, but 
she loved him back; the two of them were having assignations in the 
broom closet up until their very last year at Hogwarts," or 
"Snape is a half-dementor *and* he loved Lily," or whatever.  But 
leave the keywords generic.  No slashes.  No hyphens.  None of that.

I know that this contradicts what we decided earlier, and if you've
already entered a bunch of H/H keywords, please don't worry about 
it.  We can fix them later.  But from here on in, please don't use 
slashed keywords.  We already have a SHIP keyword to help people to 
find the shipping posts, and slashed-or-hyphenated keywords really do 
cause a lot more problems than they solve.

Eileen complained:

> I am going to go nuts having to write Keyword 1: SHIP Keyword 2: 
> Ron Keyword 3: Harry Keyword 4: Hermione, Keyword 5: Ginny, Keyword 
> 6: OBHWF, Keyword 7etc: whatever the post addresses in relation to 
> OBHWF for simple posts about OBHWF.

Yeah, I know.  It's a real pain, isn't it?  Sorry, but it can't be 
helped.  


Eloise asked:

> Should I put in a SHIP key when the writer for example, refers to 
> LOLLIPOPS but to refute it? Negative shipping as it were? I haven't 
> done, but I suppose it gives the other side of the argument that 
> someone writing about a particular SHIP might want to include.

Yes.  Posts refuting a SHIP argument should still get a SHIP key, just
as they would get a SHIP prefix on the list.

Again, I know that this makes for more work, and I'm sorry.


Eloise:

> I've found quite a few of those sort of posts both deal with an 
> individual *and* with that individual's relationship with someone 
> else, sometimes in some complexity. Maybe it's not necessary to 
> specify that, but I just thought that if, say writing a FAQ on 
> Sirius, it might be quite helpful to be able to identify easily 
> those posts that explored the naure of his relationship with 
> Snape or Lupin, for example.

Specify it in the content cell.  That's what the content cell is 
for.  

This catalogue should make the FAQ writers' jobs *much* easier, but 
it's still not going to do all the work for them.  A keyword search 
for both "Snape" and "Sirius" should turn up all of the messages 
dealing with both of these characters.  Adding "Prank" to the mix 
would make the search more specific still.  Beyond that, though, the 
FAQ editor is on her own.  She can glance down the descriptions to 
find messages that match any more specific content requirements that 
she might have.


Eileen:

> This is beginning to remind me of the time when I was 14 that I 
> decided to catalogue my parents' collection of battered National 
> Geographics since the 50s. I had a very complicated system for 
> that.  It wasn't the most successful of endeavours.

<Elkins winces in memory of her own, very similar, adolescent 
experience with cataloging, then shakes her head firmly>

Don't worry.  So long as we follow the KISS rule, this one will work 
better.  The key here is simple keywords.  Very simple keywords.  
Don't try to do the FAQ writers' job for them.  The catalogue's 
function should be to serve as a useful tool for FAQ compilers.  We 
should not be trying to compile the FAQs ourselves.

Not yet, at any rate.  That comes later.  ;-)


Elkins (who as a student found her University work-study job as a 
department secretary so mind-numbingly boring that she decided to 
catalogue the department's entire library for them instead, and who 
swore afterwards that she would never do something like that for 
minimum wage ever again.  O, the irony.)





From skelkins at attbi.com  Sun Oct  6 06:09:20 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 06:09:20 -0000
Subject: More on Keyword Questions
Message-ID: <anok2g+5o47@eGroups.com>

Ugh.  Well, having just nearly burned down my own *house* through a
foolhardy disposal of what turned out to be incompletely extinguished
cigarette butts, I am back.

Gee, they're right.  Smoking really *is* bad for you.

Some scatter-shot responses to various consistency questions here.


EVIL VS. ESE

There have been some truly superb posts written on the subject of 
Evil in the Potterverse.  In fact, there have been entire superb 
*threads* on this topic.  There was one back in the early summer of 
2001, and then there was the more recent "Midnight in the Garden" 
thread this spring -- and those are just the two that come to mind 
right off the top of my head.

So I think that we want to retain "Evil" to refer to those sorts of 
discussions, rather than to the "will so-and-so go evil?" ones.

I think that ESE is fine for the Flying Hedgehogs.  It's not nearly 
so obscure as, say, OFH, and while it's true that those unfamiliar 
with the list might not know what it means, how many of those people 
are likely ever to be using this database?  We will also be 
maintaining a list of keywords to help out those who can't seem to 
find the right word for what they want.  So I think that we can stick 
with ESE for the "is X secretly evil?" posts, and keep "Evil" as the 
designation for discussions of evil as a philosophical concept.  

I also see an advantage to retaining ESE as a designation because I 
can easily imagine someone someday wanting to write, say, a Flying 
Hedgehog FAQ, especially as speculating about the possibility that 
seemingly-benevolent characters are actually secret Evil-doers has 
*always* been a popular hobby on the list.  People have been doing it 
since the very beginning, and I really can't foresee it becoming 
any less popular a type of post any time soon.  People are going to 
be making ESE arguments until the very end of Book Seven.  So why not 
make it easier to call up those sorts of posts?


KIN-SLAYING VS. PARRICIDE

Cindy wrote:

> In my book, killing a family member should bear the key 
> word "Revenge."  ;-)

<Elkins, who tends to over-identify with Crouch Jr, grins 
appreciatively>

Heh.  

Yes, well.  As much gratification as I *do* take in the entire notion 
of kin-slaying (I've got a lot relatives who dearly need killing, and 
not all of them are my father by any means), I really do think that 
we should stick to "parricide" as the keyword.  For one thing, as 
Porphyria pointed out, parricide *can* be used to refer to the murder 
of any of ones relations.  For another, what sort of kin-slaying 
other than parricide have we ever *seen* in the canon anyway?  Riddle 
does off his paternal grandparents, true, but that's really just an 
extension of parricide, and besides, any post that focuses on that 
event is surely also going to be focusing pretty strongly on the 
parricide itself, no?

Eileen:

> I can definitely see someone wanting to search for in-family death 
> and destruction. After all, it seems to be key to the series. 

Yes, but if you were looking for posts on that topic, then 
wouldn't "parricide" be the very first word that you would think to 
try?  After all, is there much chance that a post on the thematic 
relevance of in-family death and destruction to the series as a 
whole would *not* talk about the motif of parricide in GoF?

Eloise wrote:

> The trouble with any of these terms (and I have to agree with 
> Porphyria, that parricide *is* technically the correct term for any 
> of these killings, although particularly of parents) that they 
> require someone coming along later to look through the list of 
> terms first, before deciding what to search for. I think I would 
> more instinctively look for parricide than I would for something 
> beginning with 'kin' and that we just have to explain any terms 
> that might be open to misinterpretation, or have a wider 
> application than at first appears.


Yes.  Precisely.  

I am really hard-pressed to imagine why "parricide" should not serve 
perfectly well as the keyword for post dealing with the killing of 
family members.

If the post is talking about the motif of parricide in Gof, or about 
parricide as a concept, then key it to parricide.  

If the post is talking about the possibility that other forms of kin-
slaying may prove relevant later on in the series (I seem to remember 
making that argument once myself), then you can still key it 
to "parricide," because any post making that argument is surely 
also going to be focusing heavily on the emphasis on parricide in GoF.

If the post doesn't actually mention parricide at all, but you still 
think that somebody compiling a list of posts dealing with the core 
concept of parricide shouldn't miss it, then go right ahead and key 
it to parricide anyway.  

If none of these apply, then don't bother keying it, even if the post 
does mention the concept.  

That's how I see it, anyway.  But I see now that Pip, Eileen *and* 
Cindy are all throwing their weight behind this "kin-slaying" notion.

<sigh>  

Demented.  You are all demented.  But I suppose that if you all 
*insist,* then I can swallow "kin-slaying," even though I think it 
fairly baroque and unnecessary.


JKR VS ROWLING

I prefer JKR as our standard designation for posts that talk about 
the author's life.  

I wouldn't use it, though, for questions of authorial intent, 
authorial inclination, or other such vague theoretical issues.  Just 
use it if the post is actually in some way biographical.

Eileen:

> Well, for example, there's Elkins' post in which she says Rowling 
> is a closet conservative when it comes to class issues. That has 
> nothing to do with Biography, but it's about Rowling.... I think. 

No more than any other post, though, really.  The question of the 
author's predilections and intentions is nearly ubiquitous, I'd say.  
It underlies nearly all Redeemable!Draco speculations, for example, 
and it's also prevalent in discussions of gender in the books.  I 
tend to consider "being about Rowling" pretty much a given.

So if I were cataloguing that post, I would key it to "Class," but I 
wouldn't bother keying it to "JKR," because while it did indeed 
suggest certain things about the author's bias, it wasn't really 
focused at all on the author as a private individual: didn't include 
any biographical material, didn't quote from interviews, didn't 
discuss her personal life, etc.  




TRIO

Cindy wondered:

> Um, should we be using "Trio" for anything, and if so, what?

It's hard for me to think of a situation in which one might be 
tempted to use "Trio" for which separate keywords for "Harry," "Ron" 
and "Hermione" would not be better.

Just pretend you're JKR herself, and you'll do fine. ;->


HEAD IN FIRE

Eileen:

> I can't for the life of me think of a keyword for the "Head in 
> Fire" thing Amos Diggory and Sirius Black use in GoF. It's not 
> exactly "Floo" and in fact, there's some posts devoted to the 
> difference. But can anyone think of a good alternative to "Head in 
> Fire?"

Hmmm.  I think that I'd be inclined just to keyword it as 
"Communication" and "Floo."  Anyone looking for posts about the Head 
In the Fire spell would surely try "Communication," and someone 
wanting stuff about "Floo" would probably want to see it as well.  
"Transportation" might also be a possibility, as the Head In Fire 
spell so often comes up in the context of discussions of the WW's 
various modes of transportation (is it an extension of Floo?, is it 
the same as Snape's ability to summnon Lupin vocally through the 
fireplace in PoA?, and so on).


READER RESPONSE

> I'm talking about posts that examine readers' responses to the 
> books.  Elkins's "Where's the Canon?" posts or in this case a post 
> by Cindy asking why people like to SHIP. 

Hmmmm.  Well, I see that you've settled on "Analysis" for reader 
response posts. That works fine for me.  I would have gone for 
"Theory" myself, as reader response is a major school of literary 
criticism, but I can run with "Analysis." 


CLASS

Debbie:

> Class or Elitism for class issues in HP

"Class" sounds good to me.  If someone's looking for class schedules 
and tries typing in "class," then one glance at the comments fields 
will show them that they've taken the wrong approach.  They'll then 
figure out that "class schedules" is what they really wanted.  If 
they get really stuck ("Timetables?"  No. "Schedules?"  No.  Darn!), 
then they can look at the final list of keywords (which we should 
make available as a text document when we're done with all this) to 
see where they've gone wrong.

"Elitism" refers to a slightly different issue, to my mind.


CHARACTER NAMING PROTOCOLS

Yes, it is counter-intuitive to type "Black" rather than "Sirius," 
but let's all try to do it anyway.  It will make our lives easier in 
the long run if we try to have at least *some* protocols in place so 
that newcomers can more readily internalize them.

I realize with sudden horror that I myself just used "Sirius" in my 
last post, when giving an example of how a hypothetical user might go 
about looking for posts dealing with Snape and Sirius' relationship.

<hangs head in shame>

Erm.  Well, sorry.  I *did* say it was counter-intuitive, didn't I?

Debbie:

> Founders' names vs. House names -- use the first names for the 
> Founders?  

Great idea!

So "Slytherin" refers to the House, while "Salazar" refers to the 
founder?  

Sounds good to me, although I suspect that for the most part a 
keyword of "Founders" would be sufficient for any post talking about 
Salazar Slytherin himself.

> Following the Riddle Rule, do we always code Scabbers as Pettigrew?

Yes, thus granting the poor wretch a degree of dignity that he 
receives neither in canon nor very often on the list itself.  (Has 
anyone but me ever noticed that I'm just about the only person who 
regularly refers to him as Pettigrew?)

But yeah.  He's an adult...well, chronologically speaking, anyway, 
and so he should probably go by surname even if the subject under 
discussion is Pettigrew-as-Scabbers.



SPELL NAMING PROTOCOLS

If there's already something in the keyword database for a given 
spell, then people should stick to what's in there already.  
Otherwise, they should use whichever keyword seems intuitive and 
natural to them, add the term to the database, and post here when 
they're done.  Eileen is right: we can always worry about cleaning up 
inconsistencies (Crucio vs Cruciatus, for example) at a later stage.



PRANK VS. THE PRANK

Prank.

Articles ("a," "an" and "the") should always be omitted.

(By the way, I am still *dying* to know which listie first coined the 
term "prank" to refer to this incident.  As others have noted, it is 
never referred to as a "prank" in the canon.  So where did that 
shorthand first come from?  I've already conveyed my burning 
curiosity about this odd little fanon trivia question to Cindy, but 
if anyone else happens to know the answer -- or is willing to take 
the time to figure it out -- I would just love them forever for it.)


DERIVATIONS OF CHARACTER NAMES AND OTHER PROPER NOUNS

Eileen:

> Didn't Cindy say we'd be using "Etymology" rather than "Name", when
> categorizing name meanings? That's what I've been doing at least....

Yes.  Although it may not be perfectly accurate, "etymology" was what
we had decided to use for derivations of the meanings of proper nouns
in the books.  There just seemed to be far too many things that 
"Names" could refer to, so we thought we'd go for something a bit 
more specific.

Although I must say that the idea of using "onomastics" never even 
crossed my mind, mainly because I'd, er, um... 

<shamed whisper> I'd never even heard of onomastics.  

Thanks for the new word, Gwen!




OT POSTS, MISSING POSTS, POINTLESS DRIVEL


Eileen:

> I thought we just skipped them.  Why are we painting them black 
> again?

We are skipping them, so you don't have to paint them black if you 
don't want to.  

The advantage to painting them black is that it makes it very much 
easier to keep track of what message number you've reached if you 
blacken out the lines or in some other way mark them as "done," 
rather than just not entering them at all.  

See, that way if you get hit by a truck tomorrow, we'll be able to 
find out from your grieving loved ones *precisely* what message 
number you last dealt with.  ;-)

Blacking out lines also allows one to take a kind of grim 
satisfaction in just how tedious the board does become from time to 
time.  The list has peaks and lulls, and it's rather interesting to 
see how things tend to cycle over the months and years.

Or maybe that's just me.  I can get rather weirdly obsessive about 
that sort of thing.



"FAVOURITES" THREADS, CHAPTER SUMMARIES, SUPER-COMBINED POSTS

Ugh.  The bane of the FAQster, these are.  And don't even get me 
*started* on the Derby posts.  ;-)

Pip, on discussions of peoples favourite scenes:

> My first poster on that topic mentioned so many scenes she might 
> just as well have said 'the entire series...'

Yes, aren't those threads just nightmarish to categorize?  I had to 
wade through a number of "what character would you most want to 
date?" posts when I was culling for Lupin, and I just wasn't sure 
what to make of them.  On the one hand, it was rather of interest to 
me as a FAQ editor to see that Lupin was *consistently* mentioned as 
one of the "characters I'd most want to date."  On the other hand, no 
single one of those posts, taken alone, was really in the least bit 
substantive or FAQ-worthy, or even particularly interesting (except 
on the base gossipy interpersonal level, of course).  "Which 
character do you most pity/envy/fear/hate" threads are often the same 
way, as are the Derby threads and the responses to the questions at 
the end of the chapter summaries.  You tend to see a lot of one-
liners, and only very occasionally anything of real canon substance.

I think that these posts fall firmly into the category of "threads 
that ought to be noted in the catalogue, but that for the most part 
can be ignored."  So since we've defined "Analysis" as our keyword 
for reader response, perhaps it would be best just to key it 
to "Analysis," mention in the comments field that it is a thread in 
which people discuss their favourite scenes, and leave it at 
that.

Of course, should someone actually come up with a nice bit of 
*reasoning* to explain why a given scene ranks as one of their 
favourites, then that should get its own entry.


Cindy, on chapter summaries:

> I've run across a certain type of post a few times, and I'm 
> wondering how others are handling it. The posts in question are 
> often (but not always) brief statements of opinion, sometimes in 
> response to Chapter Summary questions. . . .I'm torn -- if this 
> post were a stand-alone post, I would consider it too insubstantial 
> to include in the catalogue. 

I'd say that this should be considered on a topic-by-topic basis.  If 
the commentary on any given topic is so insubstantial that you 
wouldn't include it if it were a stand-along post, then don't keyword 
it to that topic.  If not a single *one* of the responses would make 
the cut, then leave it out altogether (unless you want to include it 
as your sample representative of the thread as a whole).

I think it's important to keep in mind here that not including a post 
in the catalogue doesn't really say anything about that post's 
*quality,* per se. It doesn't label the poster as inarticulate or 
uninteresting or incompetent. It doesn't mean that the post didn't 
contribute anything to the list as a whole -- threads like those 
serve a very useful community-building function, IMO, and I think 
that they are highly valuable for that very reason.  All that it 
means is that as personable and articulate and enjoyable as the post 
might have been, and as reasonable a response given the nature of the 
thread, it just isn't the sort of thing that moves along the canon 
discussion in any significant way.  

The thread will still be noted, though, so anyone who wants to find 
out things like which characters various listies most 
envy/pity/fear/adore, which rooms they would most like to visit at 
Hogwarts, who they would date, and so on can still learn where they 
can go to read them.  

(I always enjoy finding out what sorts of things really *scare* 
people myself.  But then, I can be just a wee bit sinister that way.)
 



Elkins 




From skelkins at attbi.com  Sun Oct  6 09:58:20 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 09:58:20 -0000
Subject: I'm Halfway Through! I'm Halfway Through!
In-Reply-To: <anij5m+dhqo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anp1fs+7ti9@eGroups.com>

> As of now, I have catalogued 500 posts.
> 
> Eileen, adjusting her horn-rimmed glasses

Yes?  Most satisfactory, Weatherby.

Cindy:
> Uh, I think we are taking the completely wrong approach here.  
> Let's try this instead.
>
> Eileen, would you whip me up a complete catalogue, a Harry FAQ and 
> a Malfoy FAQ by, say <checks calendar> next Saturday?  ;-)

Eileen:
> I think that would be considerably too much work. However, how 
> about a complete catalogue and FAQs on Avery, Fudge, the Crouches, 
> the trolley-witch, Florence, Gilderoy Lockhart, Wilkes, Cedric 
> Diggory, and Fleur Delacour? And Igor Karkaroff if you like. 

Hey, hey, hey!  No bagsying all of the *important* characters, 
Eileen!  You can't hog all of the really vital stuff.

Besides, Avery is mine!  MINE, I tell you!

Oh, and by the way...

> I catalogued a hundred posts the day before yesterday and then 
> clicked "No" to the question "Do you want to save this document?"

Ouch.  Yes, well.  You remember the Memory Charm Symposium, don't 
you?  The big post that was divided into three parts?  The three 
parts only two of which appeared on the list together -- with the 
third installment lagging behind a couple of days?

Oh, yeah.  You really have to watch it with that "do you want to save 
this document?" question.  It's a killer, that is, especially when 
you use Microsoft stuff and so have got in the habit of repeatedly 
telling Bill Gates "NO!"


Elkins




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Oct  6 10:40:54 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 06:40:54 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Keyword Questions, Protocol Guidelines, and SHIPping
Message-ID: <4e.1262c40a.2ad16d36@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/10/2002 03:26:25 GMT Standard Time, skelkins at attbi.com 
writes:


> Now, if (for some sick and twisted reason) I was specifically looking 
> for posts discussing the possibility that Snape and Dumbledore 
> are ::shudder:: *lovers,* then I would narrow my search down still 
> further, by asking Excel to sort not only by "Snape" 
> and "Dumbledore," but also by keyword "SHIP."  


Actually...........I very nearly made that blunder on my delurk. Fortunately 
I read through the posting guidelines a second time and realised at the last 
minute that putting 'SHIP: Snape/Dumbledore' didn't mean an innocent 
exploration of their relationship, but something else entirely. 
Not only would I have embarassed myself at the time, but Cindy would just 
have paraded the unfortunate error in front of you all again!  

<shudder> indeed!

> <>
> SHIPPING POSTS
> 
> 
> I know that this contradicts what we decided earlier, and if you've
> already entered a bunch of H/H keywords, please don't worry about 
> it.  We can fix them later.  But from here on in, please don't use 
> slashed keywords.  We already have a SHIP keyword to help people to 
> find the shipping posts, and slashed-or-hyphenated keywords really do 
> cause a lot more problems than they solve.


Thank you. I agree entirely.

<>> 
> Eileen complained:
> 
> > I am going to go nuts having to write Keyword 1: SHIP Keyword 2: 
> > Ron Keyword 3: Harry Keyword 4: Hermione, Keyword 5: Ginny, Keyword 
> > 6: OBHWF, Keyword 7etc: whatever the post addresses in relation to 
> > OBHWF for simple posts about OBHWF.


Sorry, I've got to ask. What's OBHWF? It's clearly something really obvious, 
but I don't know what. 
And *where*s Inish Alley? I don't know how to link to it easily without 
searching for an old TBAY post and typing in that huge long URL.

>PARRICIDE

>That's how I see it, anyway.  But I see now that Pip, Eileen *and* 
>Cindy are all throwing their weight behind this "kin-slaying" notion.

<sigh>  

>Demented.  You are all demented.  But I suppose that if you all 
>*insist,* then I can swallow "kin-slaying," even though I think it 
>fairly baroque and unnecessary.

There is a third way. Rather than argue over it, we can always have, 
"Parricide (cf Kin-slayer)"; "Kin-slayer (cf Parricide)".

I'll use "Kin-slayer" if I have to, (though it sounds like Buffy on a bad 
day, to me) but my vote would definitely be for "Parricide".

.....................
Another question on how Excel sorting works.

I have quite a lot of entries that take up more than one row and one keyword 
(such as SHIP) which applies to keywords in all/both rows. In a sort, will 
'SHIP' only appear with those names on the same row of the chart, despite 
their all having the same message number?

For instance, I have a post that spills over three rows, containing the 
keywords, SHIP, LOLLIPOPS, FLIRTIAC, Snape, Lily, Filch, Mrs Norris (and I 
think, also Malfoy, not that he has anything to do with the SHIP part).

Should I make sure that SHIP occurs in each of the lines that also has a 
SHIPped character?

(I've used this theory when it comes to comments, starting a new line of 
comments with each new row of keywords.)


Eloise
Who isn't anywhere near halfway through, managed not to save the few posts 
she did last time and has just catalogued the first appearance of Fourth Man 
(modestly introduced as, "A stunning and revolutionary new Avery theory") 
whilst we're on the subject of Avery.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct  6 12:53:20 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:53:20 -0000
Subject: More on Keyword Questions
In-Reply-To: <anok2g+5o47@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anpbo0+hev2@eGroups.com>

Elkins:

>I really do think that 
> we should stick to "parricide" as the keyword.  

Can I suggest that we might be putting ourselves through needless 
frustration and worry by stressing about issues like this?  How 
about if the Parricide fans use that, the Murder fans use that, and 
the Kin-slayer fans use that?  So long as these words are in the 
list of key words, everyone will be happy, no?  So if you're writing 
a FAQ about killing of family members in the Potterverse, you'd 
better search for Murder so that you'll pick up everything.  And if 
you're writing a FAQ about killing or evil in general, you'd better 
search for all three terms.

I fear that this discussion of the very best word for every canon 
concept will never end if we must agree on each type of keyword, and 
it becomes much worse if we make a decision and then go back and 
change it.  It also makes it next to impossible to remember all of 
these specific rules anyway.  I certainly can't remember them.

Can't the editor simply sort for each word of potential interest in 
the key word database?

The other thing that has occurred to me is that we only have about 8 
people doing catalogue work.  Even if there is a bit of variation on 
the issue of key words, I think it will be of a manageable level.  
If we had 50 people doing the cataloguing, I would feel differently.


> JKR VS ROWLING
> 
> I prefer JKR as our standard designation for posts that talk about 
> the author's life.  
> 
> I wouldn't use it, though, for questions of authorial intent, 
> authorial inclination, or other such vague theoretical issues.  

I think it depends on the substance of the post itself and the 
extent to which the poster is claiming that particular themes/events 
in the series tell us something about JKR herself.

How about we allow people to use JKR if they think someone looking 
for posts about JKR might find the post useful?  The comments field 
ought to take care of it.  Again, let's give the person reading the 
post and deciding what to do with it the flexibility to decide what 
makes sense.

> "FAVOURITES" THREADS, CHAPTER SUMMARIES, SUPER-COMBINED POSTS
> I think that these posts fall firmly into the category of "threads 
> that ought to be noted in the catalogue, but that for the most 
>part can be ignored."  So since we've defined "Analysis" as our 
>keyword for reader response, perhaps it would be best just to key 
>it to "Analysis," mention in the comments field that it is a thread 
>in which people discuss their favourite scenes, and leave it at 
> that.

Can I suggest that anything that doesn't make a canon point be 
skipped?  Upon reflection, I am thinking that posts that merely 
state a desire or personal preference often add nothing of 
consequence to the discussion as they contain no true canon 
analysis.  

I'd hate to see us clutter up our "Analysis" keyword by including 
threads that *contain no analysis.* Pity the poor FAQ editor who 
sits down to update the Sirius FAQ and most wade through scores of 
post in the catalogue that simply make the point that Sirius is 
their fav or that they hope he doesn't die.  Maybe those posts only 
have value if they are especially stylish, amusing or heart-felt?  I 
would think including them ought to be the exception rather than 
rule.  

Unless we'd like to add an entry for "Drivel?"  ;-)

Seriously, if the point of this database is to collect posts so that 
we can then write essays called "Fantastic Posts and Where To Find 
Them," I think we slow ourselves down unnecessarily and for no real 
benefit every time we note a post simply because it is there.  I am 
finding it much quicker to delete lines than catalogue them, so I 
think the extra effort it takes to compose a solid catalogue entry 
to preserve a post for posterity should be spent on posts that make 
a canon point.

Oh, and that reminds me.  I don't think I ever mentioned to our 
newer members that there was a decision long ago to change the name 
of the essays.  They used to be called FAQs (Frequently Asked 
Questions), but that is confusing because we already have VFAQs 
(Very Frequently Asked Questions) for things like Dumbledore's 
gleam.  So the new name is "Fantastic Posts and Where to Find 
Them."  The acronym for that (FPAWTFT) is a bit, er, unfortunate.  
So we've been calling them FPs.

I'm still referring to the essays as FAQs for a while longer, 
though, because I am very old and set in my ways.  ;-)

Cindy -- who still has a typewriter in the closet and a great 
collection of cassette tapes and records in the basement




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct  6 12:59:23 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 12:59:23 -0000
Subject: Paul's Most Magical Database
Message-ID: <anpc3b+5678@eGroups.com>

Hey, did anyone notice Paul's database called "FORT" (Frequent or 
Recurring Things), which is an early attempt to start a catalogue?  
This is probably something the FAQ editors will want to keep in mind 
for later.

How about if I delete the old database of assignments, the old FAQ 
status database, and the master list of FAQs labeled as ready to 
delete?

Any objection?

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Oct  6 16:12:13 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:12:13 EDT
Subject: More Keywords
Message-ID: <167.152a2110.2ad1badd@aol.com>

Just to let you know, as per Elkins' request, that I have added the 
following:

-Twins (as in Gred and Forge as a unit) [I wasn't sure if I should do this, 
but it seems
       silly wasting a cell when they aren't being distinguished from each 
other.]
-Cracking  (as in who might)
-Ambushes (as in Big and Bloody, particularly when described by Cindy)
-Fourth Man
-SYCOPHANTS
-Diary (as in Riddle's)
-Maturity

Eloise
Hoping that Elkins' fire incident wasn't too traumatic (and remembering the 
time very recently when No.3 child set the kitchen bin on fire - fortunately 
big sister showed some presence of mind! I have a greater tendency to flood 
the place. Particularly when I start reading the list whilst running a bath.)



From skelkins at attbi.com  Sun Oct  6 19:35:00 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:35:00 -0000
Subject: Representing Every Thread
In-Reply-To: <anpbo0+hev2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anq394+amv6@eGroups.com>


Me, on "favourites" threads and the like:

> > I think that these posts fall firmly into the category 
> > of "threads that ought to be noted in the catalogue, but that for 
> > the most part can be ignored."  So since we've defined "Analysis" 
> > as our keyword for reader response, perhaps it would be best just 
> > to key it to "Analysis," mention in the comments field that it is 
> > a thread in which people discuss their favourite scenes, and 
> > leave it at that.

Cindy:

> Can I suggest that anything that doesn't make a canon point be 
> skipped. . . .I'd hate to see us clutter up our "Analysis" keyword 
> by including threads that *contain no analysis.* 

We agreed that every thread should be represented.

It's one post per thread, Cindy.  Just one post per thread so that 
people know that the thread exists.  That's all.  You pick one of the 
posts, type something like "thread in which people discussed favorite 
scenes, lasted until end of month" in the contents field, and that's 
the end of it.

I hardly think that one post per thread clutters things up all that 
much, and I think that there is value in documenting its existence.


Elkins






From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Oct  6 19:59:08 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:59:08 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Even More Keywords
Message-ID: <1bf.fdd61ce.2ad1f00c@aol.com>

Just to prove I do do something sometimes, here are three more...

-Sexiness (I can't believe I've really put this in, but it was in response to 
a query about where the concept of Sirius being "dead sexy" came from).

-Sorting

-Marriage

BTW, I have 'Aurors' (pl) as a keyword in my catalogue. Should I add it to 
the terms list, or is the fact that 'Auror' (s) is already there sufficient?
.....................
Cindy:
> I am finding it much quicker to delete lines than catalogue them...

What a brilliant idea! If I delete the next 400 lines, I can dance around 
singing, 'I'm halfway through!' too!


Eloise
Still hoping for an answer to her Excel sorting question and off in fear and 
trepidation to see if she can upload her amended catalogue.



From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct  6 20:27:04 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 20:27:04 -0000
Subject: Even More Keywords
In-Reply-To: <1bf.fdd61ce.2ad1f00c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anq6ao+a8m9@eGroups.com>

Hi, ya'll,

> Just to prove I do do something sometimes, here are three more...


<snip new key words>

I haven't been routinely posting my new keyword choices to the 
list.  When I can't think up an existing keyword (based on what's 
already in the keyword list), I've been thinking a bit about the 
best keyword and then simply adding that to the list.  I was 
thinking we would only consult if there was a question about it.

Is that what everyone else is doing?  If so, that ought to keep us 
all apprised of what the newer key words are, maybe.

 
> BTW, I have 'Aurors' (pl) as a keyword in my catalogue. Should I 
>add it to  the terms list, or is the fact that 'Auror' (s) is 
>already there sufficient?

If I understand the alphabetical sorting function correctly, the 
output ought to sort for "Auror" immediately followed by "Aurors."  
So the upshot is that it might be best to go with an existing 
keyword (Auror), even if the tense or plurality isn't all that 
applicable to the post in question.  That will keep the key word 
database from getting too long.

Oh, man.  That sounded garbled.  Did that make sense?

> Cindy:

> > I am finding it much quicker to delete lines than catalogue 
>them...

Eloise:
 
> What a brilliant idea! If I delete the next 400 lines, I can dance 
>around singing, 'I'm halfway through!' too!


Shhhh!  Keep your voice down!  Someone's gonna hear us!  ;-)

Cindy





From skelkins at attbi.com  Sun Oct  6 21:23:54 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:23:54 -0000
Subject: Even More Keywords
In-Reply-To: <1bf.fdd61ce.2ad1f00c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anq9la+30dj@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.

Cindy:

> I haven't been routinely posting my new keyword choices to the 
> list. . . .I was thinking we would only consult if there was a 
> question about it.

I asked yesterday if people could routinely post any changes they 
make to the database to this list so that the cullers could keep 
their own lists of them updated.  

I've found it useful while culling to have a list of keywords printed 
out and sitting next to the computer, and I was rather imagining that 
other people were probably doing the same.  The problem with the 
database, though, is that there is no way to tell at a glance when it 
has been edited -- and therefore when your own personal list of 
keywords needs to be brought up to date.  

So I felt that it would be very helpful if people could post here 
whenever they've updated the database -- not to consult or to open 
the floor for discussion, but just to keep us all appraised of the 
changes that have been made.

Eloise asked:

> Sorry, I've got to ask. What's OBHWF? 

One Big Happy Weasley Family.  It stands for the shipping position 
that Harry will marry Ginny, Ron will marry Hermione, and then 
they'll all a be part of one big family.  They'll live together in 
bliss and harmony in the Burrow, and nobody will ever have to leave, 
ever again.  And Percy will hang himself.

> And *where*s Inish Alley? I don't know how to link to it easily 
> without searching for an old TBAY post and typing in that huge long 
> URL.

I don't know how to link to it without using that huge URL either, 
Eloise, but if you are in webview, then it is in the "databases" 
section, which you get to by clicking on the link in the sidebar box 
on the left-hand side of the screen.

> I have quite a lot of entries that take up more than one row and 
> one keyword (such as SHIP) which applies to keywords in all/both 
> rows. In a sort, will 'SHIP' only appear with those names on the 
> same row of the chart, despite their all having the same message 
> number?

I don't know.  I've been trying to figure this one out myself.  I am 
really enjoying Excel, but I've seen better help documentation.  The 
next time around, they should really hire Dicey to write it for 
them.  Seriously.

Until we figure out the answer to this one, though, just do your best.


Elkins




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Oct  7 14:57:17 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:57:17 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Even More Keywords
Message-ID: <43.12e67f31.2ad2facd@aol.com>

Elkins:
> <>The problem with the 
> database, though, is that there is no way to tell at a glance when it 
> has been edited -- and therefore when your own personal list of 
> keywords needs to be brought up to date.  
> 
> So I felt that it would be very helpful if people could post here 
> whenever they've updated the database -- not to consult or to open 
> the floor for discussion, but just to keep us all appraised of the 
> changes that have been made.


I too, keep a print out with me at all times. But then, I'm also a Luddite. 
;-) I am slowly disappearing under piles of paper that I've printed out and 
have no idea how the concept of a paperless office is supposed to work. As 
far as I can see having a computer means I end up with a whole lot more. But 
I digress.

For myself, I have just assumed that with a number of us cataloguing and with 
the speed at which some people go, by the time I come to input new terms 
other people will already have done so, so I automatically just print off a 
new list first to check.

I have, this afternoon entered some more (having checked the latest list, but 
unfortunately not before uploading my latest chunk of catalogue. I see 
analysis has been replaced with Reader Reaction, which I like better, except 
that I was using the old term! Oh well, I'll amend that later!)

> <>

Thanks for the info on OBHWF. I normally skip SHIPping posts, so these things 
pass me by. 

> > I have quite a lot of entries that take up more than one row and 
> > one keyword (such as SHIP) which applies to keywords in all/both 
> > rows. In a sort, will 'SHIP' only appear with those names on the 
> > same row of the chart, despite their all having the same message 
> > number?
> 
> I don't know.  I've been trying to figure this one out myself.  I am 
> really enjoying Excel, but I've seen better help documentation.  The 
> next time around, they should really hire Dicey to write it for 
> them.  Seriously.
> 
> Until we figure out the answer to this one, though, just do your best.

Well, I'll err on the side of caution and duplicate the relevant keyword on 
each line for the time being.
I'd quite like an answer to this, as I do still have problems with uploading 
my amended files. I can't do it immediately, but if I leave them overnight, 
they seem to be acceptable to the system!

Eloise

Exhausted from attempting to catalogue some extremely long and complex posts, 
containing too many characters, tortuous theories, quantities of brandy, 
blood, gore and hysterical females jumping up and down in their seats getting 
over excited about ambushes.
Being well over Cindy's definition of middle-aged, I'm off for a nice cup of 
tea.
Perhaps I'll read that article by Lulu in the Sainsbury's magazine about "Why 
60 Is The New 40." That might make me feel younger!
> 
> 



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Oct  7 15:04:55 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:04:55 -0000
Subject: Even More Keywords
In-Reply-To: <anq9la+30dj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ans7qn+5o2g@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "ssk7882" <skelkins at a...> wrote:
> I don't know.  I've been trying to figure this one out myself.  I am 
> really enjoying Excel, but I've seen better help documentation.  The 
> next time around, they should really hire Dicey to write it for 
> them.  Seriously.

Thanks for the accolades, but let's get one thing straight: I will
*never* work for Microsoft.  I will die in the streets, having been
trampleds by masses of homeless people before I work for the anti-Christ.

--Dicey, whose priorities are *straight*, I tell ya




From skelkins at attbi.com  Mon Oct  7 19:06:56 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:06:56 -0000
Subject: Call For Opinion on Database Updates
In-Reply-To: <43.12e67f31.2ad2facd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ansm0g+g7h8@eGroups.com>

Eloise wrote:

> I too, keep a print out with me at all times. But then, I'm also a 
> Luddite. ;-) 

Yes, it's awkward, isn't it?  If anyone ever has some *books* they 
need binding, just let me know.  ;-)

But Cindy showed me a very neat database trick yesterday, Eloise, 
which might reduce the need for constant printing out.  Maybe I'm 
the only person who didn't know this, but in any case, I'm going to 
share it with you all.

When you go into the Ever So Annoyingly Slow To Page Through 
database, you will see an option for "Printable Record" at the top of 
the screen.  

Clicking on this doohicky gives you the whole database in list form.  
It is *scrollable.*  It is *searchable.*  It doesn't take a dog's age 
to look through.  It can be housed in its very own little window and 
then minimized or made tiny, so that you don't have it in your face 
all the time.  And then you have something that you can consult all 
day long while you're cataloguing, without the need for constant 
printing out.

<Elkins notices that everyone else has turned aside to snicker behind 
their hands at her>

Oh, be quiet.  All of you.  I *hadn't* known that, okay?  I hadn't 
even noticed the "Printable Record" function.  I'd been cutting and 
pasting the stupid thing into a wordpad each and every time.  It was 
a pain, and it took the far side of forever.  Hence my desire for 
*updates,* so that I could *write* them onto my printout.  You know.  
Writing?  You remember writing?  Like with a pencil?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Go ahead.  Mock the Luddite.

So.  Having realized that this option exists, the question now 
becomes: is it really worth the bandwidth for people to post to the 
list every time they change the database?

It does seem as if this policy will likely swamp us in "database 
change" messages, and I'm not altogether certain that this is a good 
idea.  Not only will it mean a lot more traffic on what has already 
become The Happening Place To Be, but it will also make it far more 
difficult for those of us with limited time (read: all of us) to keep 
up with our tasks.  In truth, the database is getting updated 
*constantly,* so I don't know if we really want to deal with the 
constant stream of announcements that would result from this approach.

There's also the problem that every new announcement brings a risk of 
a new Definition Dispute, and I really do think that we want to cut 
back on those as much as we possibly can.

So.  How does this sound: rather than announcing database changes 
every time we make them, we will instead try to make them all at 
once, preferably at the beginning of our respective days.  This means 
that although the database will be in daily flux, it should not be in 
constant *hour-by-hour* flux.  It also means that a day's worth of 
discrepancies will be the most that can accrue.

What this also means is that when people add new terms to the 
database, they should include definitions in parentheses after any 
new terms that they add, so that we won't have to ask each 
other "what precisely did you mean by X?" nearly so often.  

Does this sound good to everyone?   It would still allow those of us 
who like to keep a copy of the database on hand to keep our lists 
updated -- through either daily print-out or daily use of 
the "Printable Record" function -- yet it would also cut back on the 
time and energy that we need to devote to questions of keyword 
definition, as well as keeping the traffic on this list to a 
manageable level.  It would also be far more efficient should there 
ever come a time when we get a mass upswelling in volunteers (hey!  
It *could* happen, you know).  Right now we have eight people 
actively at work on this project, but should we ever get more, the 
constant announcements of database changes would get overwhelming 
pretty quickly.

So what do people think?  Workable?  Not workable?  Any objections to 
handling the database updates this way?

Right now, Cindy and I are trying to consolidate the guidelines that 
we've established so far into one Big Fat Document, so if we could 
agree on a protocol for database updates soon, that would be great.


Elkins




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 19:47:28 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 19:47:28 -0000
Subject: Database updates
Message-ID: <ansocg+6ltg@eGroups.com>

Yup, sticking to updating once a day sounds good, though I wouldn't 
be too specific about *when*. We've got an 8 hour time difference 
between FAQers anyway. 

Can I suggest a new character for Theory Bay? - 'A.N.N'.

A sweet girl, rather like Faith (but without the Edge), who agrees 
to everything and never, ever comes up with an original idea.

It stands for Adds Nothing New. I think I'm going to start using it 
in the comment lines (as ANN) for posts we may want to delete from 
the final database.

Thank you, Elkins, for welcome, and the good wishes about my 
computer. The PC is still currently awaiting surgery, but the laptop 
is now fully online after an intensive Sunday Night Download 
Session - so cataloguing can now proceed without any unexpected 
little breaks. 

Expected breaks are another matter... [grin].

Pip




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Oct  7 20:30:20 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:30:20 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Call For Opinion on Database Updates
Message-ID: <17c.fb905f5.2ad348dc@aol.com>

Elkins:
> So what do people think?  Workable?  Not workable?  Any objections to 
> handling the database updates this way?

I like the principle, though I'm becoming less sure of the feasibility. (I 
*did* know about the printable record thing, although I hadn't appreciated 
the neat little tricks, so perhaps I'm not quite the Luddite I thought, but I 
just find pieces of paper easier to work with. More tangible and all that - 
you know?)

I have to say that I tend to post things in the *middle* of my day, as that's 
when you guys are up and about, but then if I post mine at the beginning of 
my day, they're already waiting for you.

OTOH, (and Pip has just mentioned the time difference problem) I may have 
done a morning's cataloguing (may...I said *may*) and have been using new 
terms (which I then won't post until the next morning) when you guys are 
posting your new terms which might clash...

If we *do* go for set times, I'm just wondering if it might not be better if 
those in the US upload theirs at the end of the day and those of us in the UK 
upload ours at the beginning? Then, when I get up, I'll have all your 
previous day's new terms and when you get up, I will have posted mine.

I don't think it matters *hugely* and there are bound to be times when its 
just not practical to do it at the start of the day anyhow. There is such a 
thing as RL, with all those annoying things like school runs and work and 
stuff which get in the way. I confess that I don't really want to get up and 
have to think about uploading my new terms before I get the children out to 
school and sometimes run errands or have other commitments which mean I won't 
be back here until lunchtime. 

In some ways, given that we do have the scrollable, searchable 'Printable 
Record' at our fingertips, one could argue that it more efficient if new 
terms are inserted into the table *immediately*, the onus being on each of us 
to check the table before inserting, or even using, a new term. We have to do 
this eventually, anyway. This way, we should avoid coining a new term, then 
the next morning going to upload it, finding that someone else has used 
something different for the same thing and having to replace it in our own 
documents. It also means you don't suddenly realise, as I did this evening, 
that you missed out a couple of terms when you did upload.

It just means that we Luddites have to be resigned to reading from the screen 
a bit more!

> 
> Right now, Cindy and I are trying to consolidate the guidelines that 
> we've established so far into one Big Fat Document, so if we could 
> agree on a protocol for database updates soon, that would be great.


That would be wonderful. Then I can have one Big Fat Document printed out, 
rather than rifling through various bits of paper and desperately trying to 
remember just which of Cindy's messages gave instructions about what where 
and when.

Eloise
Now, where did I put my quill?




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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 22:10:34 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:10:34 -0000
Subject: Silly thought
Message-ID: <ant0oq+6a2m@eGroups.com>

I have just catalogued post #26307, a one-line, not very interesting 
post which suggests that the Dementors told the Ministry that Sirius 
had been muttering 'he's at Hogwarts' by non-vocal communication.

With my slightly twisted little brain, I am now left with the 
irresistable vision of a Dementor trying non-vocal communication on 
some poor harassed Ministry official.

Who is saying "Right. Three words. Third word. Two syllables. First 
syllable. Sounds like..."

And on that note, I think I'll go to bed. ;-)

Pip




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  8 00:04:49 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 00:04:49 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions, Protocol Guidelines, and SHIPping
In-Reply-To: <4e.1262c40a.2ad16d36@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ant7f1+527v@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> .....................
> Another question on how Excel sorting works.
> 
> I have quite a lot of entries that take up more than one row and one
keyword 
> (such as SHIP) which applies to keywords in all/both rows. In a
sort, will 
> 'SHIP' only appear with those names on the same row of the chart,
despite 
> their all having the same message number?

Excel doesn't know what having the same message number means, so yes,
you'd have to include the word SHIP on each row that contains shipping.  

In your example, if your topics rows/columns look like this:

SHIP, LOLLIPOPS, FLIRTIAC
Snape, Lily, Filch
Mrs. Norris, Malfoy

The first row would be found amongst the other SHIPs, the second row
would be sorted with the other Snapes, and Mrs. Norris would be with
other Mrs. Norrises.

This is assuming that the first column is the first row you're sorting
by.  I'll have to come up with a sorting rules section for the Help
doc, but not quite yet.

--Dicey, going home to set up her new computer






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  8 16:16:33 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:16:33 -0000
Subject: "Hey, What Do I Do With *This?*"
Message-ID: <anv0d1+9e28@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

In the course of cataloguing and writing FAQs, I've stumbled across 
posts that were unrelated to whatever I was doing at the moment, but 
were posts that will definitely wind up in a FAQ when we start 
writing.  I started a database to collect them, and I called 
it "Diamonds In The Rough."  

So far, I've put three entries into that database, so if you stumble 
across something that is pure gold but is outside your cataloguing, 
feel free to add it to the database.  

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  8 16:42:16 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:42:16 -0000
Subject: .XLR files
Message-ID: <anv1t8+9cji@eGroups.com>

Eloise:

Just out of curiosity, I downloaded your cataloging file with the .xlr
suffix and I was able to open it in Excel without any problem at all.

Don't know if you knew it would work.

--Dicey, who is glad that Cindy has not been shot yet




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  8 16:53:21 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:53:21 -0000
Subject: .XLR files
In-Reply-To: <anv1t8+9cji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anv2i1+87rg@eGroups.com>

Dicey:

> --Dicey, who is glad that Cindy has not been shot yet

Yet?  

Do you know something I don't?  ;-)

Cindy -- thinking she'll be safer if she wears a rack of antlers




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Tue Oct  8 17:29:27 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:29:27 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] .XLR files
Message-ID: <d5.1e941921.2ad46ff7@aol.com>

Dicey said:
> Just out of curiosity, I downloaded your cataloging file with the .xlr
> suffix and I was able to open it in Excel without any problem at all.
> 
> Don't know if you knew it would work.

Thank goodness for that. That's one of my nightmares out of the way then. I 
can sleep easy at last!

I'm not being facetious (well, only about the sleep) I *was* rather concerned 
that my files wouldn't work. Incidentally, in the course of experimenting 
with what I can download with the Excel Reader thingy, I find I can open and 
scroll through some people's catalogues, but not others. IIRC, Cindy's and 
yours work for me but Pip's and Eileens don't. Certainly Cindy's does and 
Pip's doesn't.

> 
> --Dicey, who is glad that Cindy has not been shot yet

Err....why?
I have verged on suggesting that she should catalogue her own posts as I 
sometimes get lost in them for hours at a time, but I think shooting's going 
a bit too far!

Eloise
A little peeved the size of her file doesn't reflect the amount of work in 
it. I assume that MS Works just doesn't take up as much space.

> 
> 



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  8 18:35:04 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:35:04 -0000
Subject: .XLR files
In-Reply-To: <anv2i1+87rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anv8go+55bq@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote: 
> > --Dicey, who is glad that Cindy has not been shot yet
> 
> Yet?  
> 
> Do you know something I don't?  ;-)

I know the madman hasn't been caught. Yet.

For those across the pond(s), someone who is an extremely good shot
has been picking people off at random in the Washington D.C. area. 
He's already killed 6 and critically wounded a 13-year-old kid. 
Doesn't seem to be a pattern: just that he gets 'em with a single
shot.  Kind of a Muggle version of AK attacks.

--Dicey, safe in the West




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct  8 18:52:47 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:52:47 -0000
Subject: .XLR files
In-Reply-To: <d5.1e941921.2ad46ff7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <anv9hv+6f8h@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
<Snip>
 I find I can open and 
> scroll through some people's catalogues, but not others. IIRC, 
> Cindy's and yours work for me but Pip's and Eileens don't. 
> Certainly Cindy's does and Pip's doesn't.

[Pip collapses in complete horror at the thought her file might be 
unopenable]

Well, I've just tested opening it for the web, and [phew!]my file 
downloads fine for me. So does Cindys
> 
> > 
> > --Dicey, who is glad that Cindy has not been shot yet
> 
Likewise. Sadly the body count has got so high that the BBC has now 
started to report the shootings on the international section of our 
UK national news. Hope you stay out of the way, Cindy.
> 
> Eloise
> A little peeved the size of her file doesn't reflect the amount of 
work in 
> it. I assume that MS Works just doesn't take up as much space.
>

It doesn't. Excel or Word *eat* space.  For breakfast. And lunch. 
And tea. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
Pip
> 
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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct  8 19:30:10 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:30:10 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread
In-Reply-To: <anv8go+55bq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anvbo2+kdci@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
>Kind of a Muggle version of AK attacks.

Oh, I wasn't the only person to think that? Be careful, Cindy, and
let's just hope this isn't the new wave of the future in regards to
mass shootings. 

> We agreed that every thread should be represented.
> 
> It's one post per thread, Cindy.  Just one post per thread so that 
> people know that the thread exists.  That's all.  You pick one of the 
> posts, type something like "thread in which people discussed favorite 
> scenes, lasted until end of month" in the contents field, and that's 
> the end of it.

Elkins I have a confession to make. [Eileen's hands begin to tremble
Avery-like.]

I haven't been representing every thread. There was a "Who would you
like to date?" and "Who would your best friend be?" and "Who is your
favourite character, who your least favourite character?" and a highly
entertaining discussion of how to make GoF into a movie that I
remember. And I haven't the faintest idea where they are now!

Forgive me, Elkins, forgive me!

"Oh God!" Elkins thinks, "she's starting up this again." Rather than
go through the whole spiel, she directs Eileen to an appropriate
passage of Message 40828.

"Atonement without penance? Remorse without restitution? You're almost
beginning to sound like *him.*" She jerked her head contemptuously
towards Fourth Man Avery With Remorse, who buried his face in his hands."

"Right," says Eileen. "I get the point. I've found the first post of
the "Who would I date?" thread and I'll look for the others I can
remember. But you will let me off the hook for anything else I missed?"

Eileen, who will get back to cataloguing after a "Weasley family
dynamic goes sour" weekend, in which, for once, she wasn't playing
Percy..... The culprit brother came home and breezily announced that
he was working the Thanksgiving weekend. Was ticked off when I said,
"All right, Perce. Have a good time." However, all is now happy again
at the Burrow and we are looking forward to a Big Happy Weasley Family
Thanksgiving next weekend with two gigantic turkeys, loads of pumpkin
pies, grandparents, and six of my mother's eleven siblings and their
families. 




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Tue Oct  8 21:17:08 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:17:08 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: .XLR files
Message-ID: <18d.f88f681.2ad4a554@aol.com>

In a message dated 08/10/2002 19:37:39 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> For those across the pond(s), someone who is an extremely good shot
> has been picking people off at random in the Washington D.C. area. 
> He's already killed 6 and critically wounded a 13-year-old kid. 
> Doesn't seem to be a pattern: just that he gets 'em with a single
> shot.  Kind of a Muggle version of AK attacks.
> 
Very scary.
I just don't have the time to watch the news or read the papers these days. 
;-)
Seriously, though, I did wonder afterwards if that was what you were 
referring to, but in the paper we get (a 'quality' broadsheet), although it 
was reported yesterday, they gave the name of the county, but managed to miss 
out the name of the city (or even state!) concerned. I was wondering where it 
was (and haven't seen or heard the news today).

Keep safe, everyone.
Goodnight!

Eloise



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct  8 21:40:20 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:40:20 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread
In-Reply-To: <anvbo2+kdci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anvjc4+2c88@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> 
> "Right," says Eileen. "I get the point. I've found the first post of
> the "Who would I date?" thread and I'll look for the others I can
> remember. But you will let me off the hook for anything else I missed?"
> 
Dicentra runs headlong toward Eileen, hoping to stop her before she
goes any farther.

"Nooooooo!" she howls.  "Don't catalog that schlock! Please! For the
love of everything that is holy and some that is not, don't go there!"

--Dicentra, who sprawls at Eileen's feet, having missed her keyboard
by inches






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct  8 22:51:23 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:51:23 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread
In-Reply-To: <anvbo2+kdci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anvnhb+ku5h@eGroups.com>

Eileen confessed:

>There was a "Who would you
> like to date?" and "Who would your best friend be?" and "Who is 
>your favourite character, who your least favourite character?" and 
>a highly entertaining discussion of how to make GoF into a movie 
>that I remember. And I haven't the faintest idea where they are now!
> 
> Forgive me, Elkins, forgive me!

Forgive you, Elkins?  How about "Forgive you, Cindy!"

You know that stuff about making GoF into a movie?  That was *me!*  
Yapping about how to cut down PoA and GoF is one of my favorite 
pastimes, and now it is lost and gone *forever,* lost in the bowels 
of Yahoo constipated search function.

You know what this means, don't you, Eileen?  I must go over to the 
main list and start that "How could we cut these books down for a 
screenplay?" discussion up again.  Oh, people *hate* me when I do 
that, they just hate me.  Their lips curl into a sneer, and they 
start explaining how a 9-hour GoF is just fine with them, just 
whatever you do, don't cut the bit about the *screwts*.  Oh, they're 
not even nice about it, Eileen.  You'll see.

I'll tell them it's all Eileen's fault.  ;-)

Cindy -- who is just joking, you know, just joking





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct  9 00:17:39 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:17:39 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread
In-Reply-To: <anvnhb+ku5h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <anvsj3+3bsq@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> You know that stuff about making GoF into a movie?  That was *me!*  
> Yapping about how to cut down PoA and GoF is one of my favorite 
> pastimes, and now it is lost and gone *forever,* lost in the bowels 
> of Yahoo constipated search function.
> 
> You know what this means, don't you, Eileen?  I must go over to the 
> main list and start that "How could we cut these books down for a 
> screenplay?" discussion up again.  Oh, people *hate* me when I do 
> that, they just hate me.  Their lips curl into a sneer, and they 
> start explaining how a 9-hour GoF is just fine with them, just 
> whatever you do, don't cut the bit about the *screwts*.  Oh, they're 
> not even nice about it, Eileen.  You'll see.
> 
> I'll tell them it's all Eileen's fault.  ;-)

Avery peeps into the room nervously, scuttles across to Cindy, gives
him a note from Eileen, and leaves.

Cindy reads the note.

"Dear Cindy, will you forgive me? I found your thread and catalogued
it. Will it be safe to come back into the room?

Eileen

P.S. I'm all for a 9 hour GoF. Actually, I would like the books to be
done as a B.B.C. miniseries."

----------------------

And now I'm stuck between Dicey and Elkins over whether to catlogue
dating theads.........

------------------------
One note. Elkins mentioned that she was almost the only person on the
list who regularly referred to him as Pettigrew not Wormtail. This is
quite true. I call him Peter!
Eileen, who has been trying to stop herself from writing "Peter"
instead of "Pettigrew" in the catalogue




From skelkins at attbi.com  Wed Oct  9 00:23:54 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:23:54 -0000
Subject: Delurks, and other embarrassing old posts
Message-ID: <anvsuq+e47@eGroups.com>

Cindy shared information with us all.

> *Embarrassing* information.  Which is the very best kind of 
> information, if you ask me.

Definitely!  Especially when it is *other* people's embarrassment.  
Fortunately, nobody's been dealing with any of *my* old posts, so...

> Eloise
> Who isn't anywhere near halfway through, managed not to save the 
> few posts she did last time and has just catalogued the first 
> appearance of Fourth Man (modestly introduced as, "A stunning and 
> revolutionary new Avery theory") whilst we're on the subject of 
> Avery.

Urk.

Oh.  

<checks database>  

Oh.  Erm.  Ah.  Well, uh, okay.  So I guess someone is then.

No, it's true.  Modesty really isn't one of the more notable 
characteristics of my on-line persona, is it?  Especially back then, 
when a rather over-excitable egotism was more Elkins' gig.

By the way, if you want a smile (or even a nice cleansing bout of 
textbook hysteria), then you should go and read Cindy's delurk, which 
she reposted in message 44212, and then check out Dicey's delurk, 
message 32585.

Pretty creepy, innit?

It is telling, I think, that it is always the Tough and the Steely 
who find Sirius' laughter so very troubling.  We Nerveless Hysterics 
never seem to see anything at all strange about it.  Although I do 
note that Dicey also stuck a subtle yet unmistakable "Fie!" at the 
end of her delurk.  Oh, yeah.  Uh-huh.  Dicey had it in for that bad
bad Fudge right from the very start.

Cindy, however, apparently thought that he seemed like a pretty good 
catch.

> Eileen, who notes down Cindy's stated plan to marry Fudge (back in 
> October 2001) to use next time Cindy accuses of her having it bad 
> for Crouch Sr.

"Accuses" you?  Eileen, you *told* us all that you have a thing for 
Crouch.  You said it right there on the list, in front of God and the 
4000 lurkers and everyone.  You even requested an acronym for it.  So 
you really can't blame us if we needle you for that, can you?  

Pip exclaimed:

> Fudge!!!!  Cindy, had you been drinking? ;-)

Yes, Cindy, what *were* you thinking?  Fudge does seem personable 
enough, true, and he's likely quite wealthy.  He's got that power 
thing going for him, and the brightly colored outfits are rather 
cute, I suppose, if you like that sort of thing.  But for heaven's 
sake, the man is already married!  Or did you think that Crouch once 
had an engagement with Fudge and his *mother?* 

Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Setting your sights on a married man.  Scandalous!

I must say that I was a wee bit disappointed in Heidi's earliest 
post.  I'd been hoping for one of those early Draco messages, which I 
remember stumbling across when I was reading the archives after first 
joining this group.  IIRC, there's one back there somewhere in which 
she wrote something like, "I just can't see how people are coming up 
with this Redeemable!Draco stuff.  I think I'm going to have to sit 
down with the books and take a *really close look* at all of Draco's 
appearances in canon."

I choked on my coffee when I came across that one, because you see, 
I'd read SoC before I ever even got a Yahoo account.  So that was 
just plain *cool,* that was.  It was like sneaking a peek at Heidi 
Tandy's shoebox.  ;-)

Penny's delurk, on the other hand, was far more characteristic.  It 
was an "HP Books Are NOT For Children!" post.  

> Eileen, who wonders who will be cataloguing her arrival on the 
> list, and blushes to think about all the idiocies she posted back 
> then

Actually, I took note of your delurk while I was culling for the 
LupiFAQ, Eileen, and it was eminently sensible.  Short, but sweet -- 
and scrupulously canonical.  It was a quick list of canon evidence 
for rebirthed Voldemort not knowing about Lucius' diary plot.  Not 
exactly dishwasher safe, of course, but hey.  It was only 2001.  Pip 
hadn't come along to show us all the Light and the Way quite yet.

IIRC, you also had one about Tolstoy fairly early on.  And a Percy 
apologetic.

Geez, did any of you *know* that I was this snoopy?  It's really kind 
of *creepy,* isn't it?

Pip wrote:

> My first post was pretty lame too.

Oh no, it wasn't!  It was quite good.  (And I *liked* the Ron-mirrors-
Snape post.) And, as you say, it too was eminently sensible.

Then, that's the thing about the delurks, isn't it?  They're usually 
not all that scandalous.  People are generally too *frightened* to 
air their more scandalous views in their actual delurks.  If you want 
to see people's controversial early posts, then you want to wait 
until they've been around long enough to test the waters and summon 
their courage.

Just look at Pip's posting history, for example.  Oh, she was canny, 
Pip was.  Did she roll out the old dishwasher right away?  Nope.  She 
tested the waters first, inch by careful inch.  She delurked with a 
solid "Slytherin Is Not The House o' Evil" post. It went over just 
fine.  So then she gave NonCompliant!Lupin a little waltz.  Still no
trouble.  Then Ever So Evil Winky, and when ESE Winky still didn't 
summon any lynch mobs, she went for Coward!Sirius.  And then finally 
she floated the Pip Theory that still makes even *me* blanch: Ever So 
Evil Mother Crouch.

Oh, yes.  Pip was playing it safe.  By the time that she finally 
posted Spying Game, she *knew* that we'd all like what she had to 
say.  ;-)


Eileen:
> Why couldn't I be like Elkins who scandalized the entire list with 
> her first post and became an instant celebrity? 

Pip:
> She did? Has anyone catalogued that post? If so, could you send me 
> the message number?

Debbie:
> Send it to me, too, please. 

Whoah, guys.  Don't get too excited, okay?  My delurk really wasn't 
at all scandalous.  It was positively tame, in fact.  I proposed that 
Snape had liked his old Slytherin school chums, and that he had some 
serious guilt issues over what had become of them all.  And that we 
shouldn't necessarily assume that Frank Longbottom was a fresh-faced 
ingenue at the time of Voldemort's fall.  Hardly earth-shattering or 
controversial material, although I do seem to recall that a few 
Snapefans took umbrage at my "Severus Snape is Peter Pettigrew seen 
through the looking glass" comment.

Eileen:
> Sorry, I'd misremembered. It wasn't her first post that scandalized
> everyone. . . . I was thinking of another of her early posts...

Oh!  You mean the one in which I went all Solzhenitzyn on Moody's, 
er...character?

> ...in which she proceeded to destroy the reputation of Alastor 
> Moody...

You mean his reputation as an erratic, violent, trigger-happy 
paranoid?

That's funny.  I thought that I was *upholding* his reputation in 
that post.  ;-)

> ...and wrote, "My original de-lurk actually had some very harsh 
> things to say about Aurors, but I was too cowardly to leave them 
> in."

Like I said.  Delurks tend not to be too scandalous.  There's 
the "fear and trembling" factor to consider.

I actually had no idea that one had scandalized you, Eileen, until 
you mentioned it on the Twins thread.  The only person that I was 
aware of being particularly upset at the time was that one fellow who 
became extremely angry and told me that it was people like me wot 
caused unrest.  

> Someone then flamed her for letting the terrorists win. :-) 
> Arghhh... it was bad!

Bad?  Nah.  It wasn't bad.  It was *good,* because it meant that I 
got to needle the poor man for months afterwards by adopting that 
derogatory Bleeding Heart stereotype he had hurled at me as something 
akin to an on-line persona.  Oh, I just went on and on about those 
Bleeding Hearts, didn't I?  And about "giving the benefit of the 
doubt to the dregs of society" as well.  And about making the world 
unsafe for humanity.  Not to mention the way that I immediately 
leaped to the canons and stared firing them away for all I was worth 
at an entire *series* of Sympathy For the Devil readings.  I can be a 
bit childish that way, I'm afraid.

I suppose it wasn't really very nice of me.  But oh, it was ever so 
much *fun!*  

And besides. 

He deserved it.  


<Only subversion, and the willingness to use it>

Pip wrote:

> [Evil Thought] Oh, and if she's working through the Greek myths -
> incest. 

And there's the proof. ;-)

Well!  Now I know what *I'm* posting, the next time the list decides 
it might be fun to try to make every last one of the canon characters 
related by blood.  

You want to know what the Dursleys *really* have against Harry?  Why 
Aunt Petunia is so bitter, so keen to hide Harry from the outside 
world?  Do you want to know what Aunt Marge was *really* hinting at, 
with all of that talk about the breeding of bulldogs?  Or just what 
secret about Harry's parents Dumbledore is so very eager to hide from 
him?  And say, have you ever wondered why it should be that Harry 
looks so *extraordinarily* like James?

The truth is evident, once you look at things in just the right way.


Elkins




From skelkins at attbi.com  Wed Oct  9 02:24:44 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:24:44 -0000
Subject: Keyword Questions, Protocol Guidelines, and SHIPping
In-Reply-To: <ant7f1+527v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao041c+iobs@eGroups.com>

Hi, all.

Yes, I've been thinking about AK too.  And about hit wizards.  

Man!  This situation really is scary, isn't it?  Even serial killers
usually don't seem to be selecting their targets purely at random.  
This fellow sounds as if maybe he just plain likes killing and wants 
to do lots of it, which I find a very frightening notion indeed.

Be careful, Cindy.


ON VEXING DATABASE QUESTIONS


Dicey:

> Excel doesn't know what having the same message number means, so 
> yes, you'd have to include the word SHIP on each row that contains 
> shipping.  

<sigh>  Oh, well.  Okay.  Thanks, Dicey.  

Well, I guess that answers that, then.  Keep keywords on the same 
line with others to which they might be relevant from the point of 
view of the person using the spreadsheet.

This means that a shipping post might well end up having lines 
reading:

SHIP Harry Ginny
SHIP Harry Cho
SHIP Harry Hermione

Life's hard sometimes. 

Don't worry about past entries, though.  As I've said before, anyone 
using the spreadsheet effectively is going to *have* to exercise a 
bit of judgement when it comes to what keywords they look for, and 
will also have to put a bit of work in to find things.  So don't 
sweat it too much if everything isn't perfectly designed for them.  
Just do your best.


Pip (who has greatly improved my understanding of Fudge's character 
by leading me to realize that he actually attained his current 
position due to his preternatural skill at charades) wrote:

> Yup, sticking to updating once a day sounds good, though I wouldn't 
> be too specific about *when*. We've got an 8 hour time difference 
> between FAQers anyway. 

Yes, I agree that the time zone discrepancy is unavoidable, and I 
don't think that we really need worry too much about it. So long as 
everyone is updating the database only once a day -- whenever 
their "day" might be -- then only 24 hours worth of any given 
discrepancy is likely to accumulate.  No need to get any more 
specific than that.  

The "once a day" idea is really just to prevent the situation in 
which the database is being updated every hour on the hour by ten 
different people.  Ten different people in different time zones and 
on different schedules doing so only once a day each, though, 
is a situation that we can manage.


Eileen quavered:

> I haven't been representing every thread. There was a "Who would 
> you like to date?" and "Who would your best friend be?" and "Who is 
> your favourite character, who your least favourite character?" and 
> a highly entertaining discussion of how to make GoF into a movie 
> that I remember. And I haven't the faintest idea where they are now!

No worries.  We haven't had a centralized set of protocols to work 
from, which is my fault, not yours.  With luck, we should have one of 
those ready by tonight.  Er...my night, that is.  Which means your 
tomorrow.

> Forgive me, Elkins, forgive me!

Oh lord, Eileen, stop *tempting* me like that, will you?  You'll send 
me straight over my Edge.  Again.  And then I'll have to spend 
*another* two months lying on George's couch being deprogrammed.

Pip suggests a new character for Theory Bay.  Ann.

> A sweet girl, rather like Faith (but without the Edge), who agrees 
> to everything and never, ever comes up with an original idea.

Why, yes!  I believe that I've met Ann.  She gets around a lot more 
than Faith, sad to say.  In fact, there are entire *threads* that she 
seems to have claimed as her own personal domain.



Elkins




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Wed Oct  9 02:33:43 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:33:43 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Keyword Questions
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1034130823.0.92023300@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Elkins wrote, on updating the database with keywords:

> So long as 
> everyone is updating the database only once a
> day -- whenever 
> their "day" might be -- then only 24
> hours worth of any given 
> discrepancy is likely to accumulate. No
> need to get any more 
> specific than that. 
> 
> The "once a day" idea is really just
> to prevent the situation in 
> which the database is being updated every hour
> on the hour by ten 
> different people. Ten different people in
> different time zones and 
> on different schedules doing so only once a day
> each, though, 
> is a situation that we can manage.

Erm, I hate to quibble with you on this, but the database will only be updated
with 24 hours worth of changes every 24 hours whether we update it one keyword
at at time or whether we all collectively update it once. People can only work
at a certain speed, so they'll only come up with new keywords relative to the
speed they catalog. I don't see how it makes a difference how often someone
updates the DB if they have the same number of new keywords at the end of the
day.

Unless I'm missing something here, it seems like no one should worry about
when they make updates and just resolve to print off a fresh DB at the
beginning of whenever their day starts. 

Forgive me if I'm totally offbase on this.

Irksome!Porphyria



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Oct  9 04:59:06 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 00:59:06 -0400
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread PLUS Tech Question
References: <anvjc4+2c88@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c26f50$984dd660$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Chained to her laptop with a mere 850 more posts to catalog, Debbie hears a moan and glances over at Eileen, chained to the laptop in front of her.

 "I get the point. I've found the first post of
> the "Who would I date?" thread and I'll look for the others I can
> remember. But you will let me off the hook for anything else I missed?"
> 
Dicentra runs headlong toward Eileen, hoping to stop her before she
goes any farther.

"Nooooooo!" she howls.  "Don't catalog that schlock! Please! For the
love of everything that is holy and some that is not, don't go there!"

Debbie leans back in her chair, a smug expression on her face.  Vindicated! she thinks, for her steadfast refusal to catalogue post after post detailing what Hogwarts class they'd like to take and why ("CoMC, cuz I *love* pets" . . . . "Ancient runes, cuz I can already write Cyrillic and Elvish").  Some threads don't deserve representation, thinks Debbie.  In fact, she's been very generous with her inclusions to date.

Standing defiantly and encouraged by Dicey's support, she ventures to ask a more mundane question.

"Erm, I've got some questions about this zip drive thing.  I didn't have any trouble downloading it at home, but I tried to put it on my laptop today so I could take it along on a business trip and work on it in my hotel room, and it wouldn't save except to the a: drive, and after spending half an hour trying to pull it up on the screen, the only thing that worked was QuickView (which, truth be told, is rather slow).  It won't give me the "save as" screen no matter what I try.  Is there an alternative or should I muddle through?"

"You see, I'm really trying hard.  I even updated the database today, instead of just conforming my entries to everyone else's additions." 

And you thought nobody could be a worse Luddite than Elkins.  But Porphyria has a point:

the database will only be updated
with 24 hours worth of changes every 24 hours whether we update it one keyword
at at time or whether we all collectively update it once. 

"Yeah, the "collective update" conjured up a vision in my head of each of us poised at our computers at precisely 12 noon GMT each day awaiting the command:  "Ladies, start your hard drives!"  It doesn't matter when we update; a certain amount of realignment will be required at some point."  

And about the sniper:

"Cindy, you seem to live in *my* neck of the woods.  Is that you I've seen driving that destroyer around the neighborhood?"  <waves wildly at Cindy>

But it's not a laughing matter, as Elkins said:

Even serial killers
usually don't seem to be selecting their targets purely at random.  
This fellow sounds as if maybe he just plain likes killing and wants 
to do lots of it, which I find a very frightening notion indeed.

 
Indeed, the sniper is more frightening to my kids than last year's terrorist attack down the street, because last year I managed to convince them that Osama bin Laden only attacked symbolic targets and our house just wasn't important to him.  I can't do that this time around.  I can tell them the odds are very slim but that doesn't satisfy: they want reassurance that it *won't* happen to them.  Last year after 9/11 they could go outside to play and let off steam.  Now the schools are in "lockdown" mode with police escorts at arrival and dismissal, and all outside activities cancelled.  And we're at least 10 miles from every attack thus far.  So we are left to pray for the sniper's capture.  

Debbie
who doesn't want Cindy to be shot either


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  9 12:48:44 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:48:44 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread PLUS Tech Question
In-Reply-To: <009d01c26f50$984dd660$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ao18jc+lmot@eGroups.com>

Debbie:

> "Cindy, you seem to live in *my* neck of the woods.  Is that you 
>I've seen driving that destroyer around the neighborhood?"  <waves 
>wildly at Cindy>

Yes, well, I do have a funny feeling that we're neighbors, Debbie.  
I'll give you a little hint.  Look for the house with the lawn that 
always needs mowing with a garden hose always strewn across the 
driveway because I'm way too lazy to wind the thing up.  

No?

All right, Debbie, you need another hint?  I buy my groceries at the 
Westbard Giant, where I can be found pushing a cart with my son at 
my heels, repeating again and again, "Not unless it's on sale, 
honey.  Not unless it's on sale."  ;-)

Anyway, so here's the latest from Ground Zero.  

I'm on the e-mail distribution list for the kids' elementary 
school.  The schools have been in "Code Blue" lockdown since this 
all started.  Code Blue is a post-Columbine procedure where the kids 
have indoor recess and gym, and the doors to the schools are locked 
from the inside.  It was designed to secure the kids during isolated 
events like 9/11; it wasn't designed to deal with an ongoing state 
of siege like this.

After the boy was shot going into his school, one of the 
neighborhood dads send around an e-mail asking our principal to 
institute indoor lineup.  Normally, the kids line up before school 
outside on the blacktop, except in rain and snow, when they line up 
inside the school building.  Given the situation, it certainly makes 
sense not to have 450 children gathered up outside for 15 minutes 
every day surrounded by heavily wooded areas when they can easily 
wait inside, right?

The principal refused this request.  She said that any parents who 
are concerned can wait outside with the children "to be a 
presence."  She also refused to recall the 5th grade crossing guard 
patrols, who are stationed at intersections around the neighborhood 
to assist younger kids in crossing residential streets.

Uh.  Gee.  As a parent, I'd take a bullet for my child if I had to, 
but it's hardly my first choice.  So when I saw this, I replied and 
explained that if we use indoor recess to protect the kids from *the 
elements,* perhaps we ought to use it to protect them from this 
particular threat.  There was a dogpile (oh, Bethesda parents can 
get downright nasty when they don't get what they want) and the 
principal reversed herself, as you might imagine.

The other interesting thing I learned this morning was from the guy 
who runs the fitness program I attend.  He's a former Special Forces 
Marine, and he's been out of the armed forces for 9 years.  I asked 
him if he knew anything about the sort of weapon the sniper is 
using.  He said that he was trained on that particular weapon and he 
still has his rifle, in fact.  He said that when you're trained in 
marksmanship in the military, you attend certain schools, and they 
keep a record of everyone who attends these schools.  He currently 
lives smack in the middle of where these shootings have taken place, 
and he said he is rather surprised that he hasn't received a phone 
call from the FBI yet.

That the authorities haven't tried to contact him makes me wonder 
just how quickly and competently this investigation is being 
handled.  Anyway, people are awfully jumpy around here.  No fun, no 
fun at all.

Cindy -- screwing up her nerve to take her son to soccer practice 
tomorrow




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Oct  9 14:38:33 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:38:33 -0000
Subject: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread PLUS Tech Question
In-Reply-To: <009d01c26f50$984dd660$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ao1f19+2q52@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., elfundeb <elfundeb at c...> wrote:
 
> "Erm, I've got some questions about this zip drive thing.  I didn't
have any trouble downloading it at home, but I tried to put it on my
laptop today so I could take it along on a business trip and work on
it in my hotel room, and it wouldn't save except to the a: drive, and
after spending half an hour trying to pull it up on the screen, the
only thing that worked was QuickView (which, truth be told, is rather
slow).  It won't give me the "save as" screen no matter what I try. 
Is there an alternative or should I muddle through?"

Dicey:

Um.  That question is beyond my purview.  Are you talking about a Zip
drive or a .ZIP file?  If the latter, your laptop isn't opening it
because it doesn't have WinZip installed (or so I guess).  If it's a
Zip drive, I haven't the slightest idea what the deal is.

--Dicey, advising Cindy and Debbie to keep their bushy heads down




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Oct  9 19:45:16 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:45:16 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: TBAY - About Representing Every Thread PLUS Tech
 Question
References: <ao1f19+2q52@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006201c26fcc$6488e5a0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Debbie, proving once again that she is such a Luddite she can't distinguish between a file and a drive, pounds her head viciously against her monitor in punishment.  Then, wiping the blood off her keyboard, she ventures to ask a new question:

"Is there any way to tell when pulling up the topic terms whether it's been changed since I last looked at it?  I mean, besides counting the terms on the old list and comparing it to the number on the screen?  Or is this a silly question because we add new terms to the database at a rate approaching the post rate on the main list?

"And I haven't even put all my terms in.  Ask me about Geomancy someday."

Debbie
Keeping her head down, but sorry that she doesn't even recognize Cindy's Giant; she shops at the Shirley Park Giant
  Dicey:

  Um.  That question is beyond my purview.  Are you talking about a Zip
  drive or a .ZIP file?  If the latter, your laptop isn't opening it
  because it doesn't have WinZip installed (or so I guess).  If it's a
  Zip drive, I haven't the slightest idea what the deal is.

  --Dicey, advising Cindy and Debbie to keep their bushy heads down


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct  9 20:56:07 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:56:07 -0000
Subject: New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
Message-ID: <ao2558+ajl8@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

As Elkins mentioned, we thought it would be helpful to gather up the 
issues that we have discussed and put them in one message for easy 
reference.  We've also tinkered with the database a bit and refined 
how we'll handle keyword issues, so I'll explain how that has 
changed.


WHAT TO INCLUDE?

Our goal, of course, is to produce a catalogue of coherent and canon-
based posts on every conceivable canon issue that has been 
discussed, and particularly posts and threads that someone will 
eventually use to write or update a FAQ.  So we're looking for posts 
that are interesting, amusing and/or well-reasoned, and that have 
good analysis and good form.  No theory is too outlandish to be 
included in the database.  Let the FAQ editor decide whether "Lupin 
was an unpaid auror" makes it into the FAQ.

What posts should we *not* include in the catalogue?  We should not 
include posts that make no canon point (OT, LOL!, me too!), posts 
that have atrocious form (spelling, grammar, etc.), extremely short 
posts, posts that merely repeat what others have said much better in 
the same thread, and gibberish.  

That said, if you run across a truly awful thread and wind up citing 
no posts at all from that thread, please do go back and pick the 
best post from that discussion so that we won't miss entire threads.

What constitutes a thread?  Well, that gets a bit tricky.  You might 
run across a single post that drew no responses, or a new post that 
drew only one response, and you might find that nothing in these 
brief threads is worth preserving.  This can happen when someone's 
message does discuss canon but really is more of a statement of 
personal preference ("I sure hope Sirius doesn't die!")  or when the 
post that started the thread was just not very good.  In these 
instances, use your judgment about whether to jot down a post from 
the thread.  The idea here is that if there is some value in making 
sure that the thread is not lost and gone forever, then you should 
select a post from the thread.  Otherwise, don't worry about it.

Those reviewing messages should review all types of messages except 
for FILKs and ADMINs, including SHIP, FF and TBAY.

HOW TO CHOOSE KEYWORDS

When deciding what keywords to use to represent a post, you should 
try to keep in mind how the completed document is likely to be 
used.  It is inevitable that FAQ editors and other users of the 
finished product will have to enter multiple keywords in order to 
find posts that suit their purposes.  It is also a given that the 
users will be reading the contents cell to learn what the posts are 
about.  The function of the keywords is to allow users to narrow 
down their search; it is not to give a full description of the 
content of the post.  That is what the "content" cell is for.

So the key here is to keep the keywords simple.  Very simple.  Use 
them to designate the subject of the post on the broadest level -- 
by character name, by magical item, by overall concept ?- and let 
the content cell serve to elaborate on the more nuanced elaborations 
and distinctions.  

We have allowed only three cells for keyword designation.  Sometimes 
you may find that this is just not enough.  When this happens, 
insert a new row for further description of the post.  Be sure to 
remember to give the new row the same message number!  Even though 
the message numbers of the two rows will be identical, Excel will 
still not recognize them as the same, and it will not be able to 
combine the keywords from both rows when it sorts.  Therefore, try 
to keep related keywords on the same line.  A combined post that 
dealt in a substantive manner with both the relationship between 
Snape and Dumbledore and the relative merits of the H/H and H/G 
ship, for example, might be given three separate rows in Excel, 
looking something like this:

30,489; Snape; Dumbledore
30,489; SHIP; Harry; Hermione
30,489; SHIP; Harry; Ginny

This layout would ensure that a SnapeFAQ editor, a SHIPFAQ editor, 
the editor of the Harry FAQ and the editor of a Ginny FAQ would all 
be able to call up this post by using sensible and obvious 
combinations of keywords.


CONSISTENCY ISSUES

Here are the general guidelines for selecting keywords.

1.	Character names ? all students go by first name, all adults 
go by last, except for where this could become misleading or 
confusing (Weasleys, Potters).

So it's Draco, Neville, Harry and Ron.  Their fathers are Malfoy, 
Longbottom, James and Arthur.  Their mothers are Narcissa, Mrs. 
Longbottom, Lily and Molly.  Common sense should hold sway here, of 
course.  Obviously there is a Crouch Sr and a Crouch Jr.  A post 
about teenaged Riddle should be keyed to "Voldemort."  

2.	Animals and magical creatures should be referred to by name 
(Erroll, Winky) unless discussed generically (owls, house elves).

3.	Spells should be referred to in some logical fashion.  Defer 
to what has already been entered in the keyword database.  If the 
database already contains "Summoning Charm" and you prefer "Accio," 
be flexible and go with "Summoning Charm."

4.	Please key contests/puzzles and results to the 
keyword "Contest."

5.	Posts dealing with romantic or sexual relationships between 
characters should carry the keyword "SHIP" even if the poster forgot 
to use the prefix on the list itself.  Do not attempt to convey 
ships by means of any other keyword.  Instead, leave that to the 
content field.  A LOLLIPOPS post, for example, might have 
keywords "Snape," "Lily," "James," "SHIP," and (if it were a TBAY 
post) "TBAY."  Do not use the slashed shipping shorthand (H/H, R/H, 
etc.) as keywords.

6.	For SHIP, TBAY and FF, please use the prefix and other 
keywords depending on canon point.  Please do not include separate 
keywords for acronyms; we have over 200 different acronyms in use on 
the list.  Instead, use appropriate keywords to describe the canon 
point of the post, using the comments field for the acronym.  
Remember, garden variety acronym posts are not TBAY and so do not 
require the prefix.

7.	You might encounter SHIP posts and TBAY posts in which the 
prefix was used improperly, either because the poster neglected to 
use the appropriate prefix or because s/he used it when it was not 
necessary.  Go ahead and rectify these errors when you catalogue.  A 
post which makes reference to an established theory by means of 
shorthand (ie, Fourth Man, Big Bang, MAGIC DISHWASHER) and does not 
elucidate the meaning of that theory in the post should still carry 
a TBAY designation, even if the poster did not write in a "TBAY 
style."

8.	For posts which deal with literary analysis, do your best to 
describe the subject matter of the post (Foreshadowing, Deus ex 
Machina, Characterization), but go with what is already in the 
database whenever you can.


ADDING KEYWORDS TO THE DATABASE

As we are rapidly approaching 200 keywords, try not to duplicate 
concepts in the keywords database.  When sitting down to do a day's 
cataloguing, make sure that you have the most recent version of the 
database before you begin.  When confronted with a new concept or 
subject, look over the list first to make sure that someone has not 
already entered a word that would suit your purposes.  There is no 
need to get too finicky about distinctions in connotation.  If there 
is already an entry for "Pride," for example, then you probably do 
not need to add a new keyword for "Stubborness."  The two words do 
not really have the same meaning at all, but they are close enough 
in how they are generally used on the list to refer to the same type 
of post.

Similarly, try to keep a lookout for antonyms (Age and Youth, 
Responsibility and Irresponsibility).  While there are a few 
exceptions, generally speaking a single keyword will suffice for 
both a concept and its antithesis.

If keeping all this in mind you still find nothing in the current 
database that suits, then come up with a new keyword that you feel 
best expresses the concept you are attempting to define.  Do try to 
keep your keywords relatively broad in scope.  Remember that we are 
using character names as keywords, but we are not adding character 
names to the database.

Before adding any new keywords to the database, be sure to refresh 
the database and give it one last scan to make sure that no one has 
recently added any synonyms for the concepts that you wished to 
define.  If someone has beaten you to the punch on the keywords, 
then please go back to your catalogue and make the appropriate 
changes.  "Search and Replace" is your best friend here.

If, however, there are still no keywords covering the concepts you 
have defined in the database, then go ahead and add your new 
keywords.  It is often useful to give an explanatory definition in 
parantheses after the word itself (ie, "Apparate [includes 
Disapparating]").  Remember that what seems an obvious usage to you 
may not be at all obvious to others; try to make your meaning as 
clear as you can when you add new words to the database.

Because we have a number of people working on this project (and hope 
to have even more doing so in the future), it is best to work from 
as recent a version of the database as possible when cataloguing.  
This greatly reduces the chances that you will have to go back and 
replace the new keywords that you have used while cataloguing.


DATABASE CHANGES

I went through the database and made some changes to make it 
consistent with what we've said on the subject recently:

I changed "Analysis (posts dealing with how readers see and react to 
canon)" and made it "Reader Reaction (posts dealing with how readers 
see and react to canon)."

I deleted "Apparition" because we already had "Apparate."

I deleted "ENSLAVEMENT," "SOPE," "LOLLIPOPS" and "FLIRTIAC" because 
they are acronyms.

I deleted "Get Fuzzy (comic strip)" because it sounds OT.

I deleted "Movie" because movie posts would be off-topic and should 
be skipped for that reason.

I deleted "Troll (refers to the poster, not the creature)" because 
it sounds OT.  If someone later comes across a post discussing 
trolls as magical creatures, feel free to add "troll" back in.

It might be best to go ahead and global replace now if you used any 
of these deleted terms.  If you feel that you are too far along to 
make the corrections now (or if you're not comfortable with 
the "Replace" feature), just start using the keywords in the 
database from this point forward and we'll clean up your keywords 
later.

Does all of this make sense and sound workable?  Are there any other 
general guidelines that we've missed?  Let us know.

Cindy





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 10 15:10:19 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:10:19 -0000
Subject: Embryonic LOLLIPOPS
Message-ID: <ao458r+gl32@eGroups.com>

A snip from Message 25,258 on Aug. 31, 2001, when LOLLIPOPs was but 
a gleam in Tabouli's eye:

"Hah! I think Amanda and I will just have to set up a Rival Club 
then and throw tomatoes at you... (the Everything Makes Sense if 
Snape Loved Lily Society?). 

And hey, it's *not* because I'm particularly into the concept of 
having a bit of Romance in the plot: I'm generally bobbing about on 
a non-committal little lifeboat checking out the major ships without 
comment. It's just that, as those long lists of plot devices we 
don't want to see again showed, I think this is one obvious and 
valid device she *hasn't* used which explains Snape's peculiar 
behaviour so well... frankly, I think yet another unregistered
Animagus would be far more excruiciating."

EMSISLLS?  Er, was the acronym generator a bit buggy in the 
beginning?  ;-)

Cindy -- tickled at some of the posts she has stumbled across





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct 10 17:25:43 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:25:43 EDT
Subject: Fwd: [HP4GU-FAQ] New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
Message-ID: <173.1024c431.2ad71217@aol.com>

I sent this earlier, but it got eaten by Yahoomort.

> I'm shuffling my deckchairs again, fearful of the ship sinking at any 
> moment.
> 
> >> 6.    For SHIP, TBAY and FF, please use the prefix and other 
>> keywords depending on canon point.  Please do not include separate 
>> keywords for acronyms; we have over 200 different acronyms in use on 
>> the list.  Instead, use appropriate keywords to describe the canon 
>> point of the post, using the comments field for the acronym.  
>> Remember, garden variety acronym posts are not TBAY and so do not 
>> require the prefix.
> 
> I take the general point and obviously in the case of things like LOLLIPOPS 
> and FLIRTIAC, they are quite superfluous in that they are *defined* by the 
> keywords, 
> 
> SHIP  Lily  Snape
> 
> or whatever.
> 
> But I'm stuck. How do I find a keyword for SYCOPHANTS (a discussion of the 
> diversity and characteristics thereof) without using the word, um, 
> sychophants? Which in the context, is always capitalised?
> 
> And what about posts inventing acronyms for non-canonical, TBAYish things?
> For instance, I have Tabouli's post where Hedwig, Errol and Pigwidgeon 
> sacrifice themselves to create the FEATHERBOAS which certain people round 
> here sport.
> Is this heroic and memorable act OT?
> 

> And is this what you want?
> 
> I'm changing, 
> 
> Black  Snape  CUPIDSBLUDGER
> (The post considers the relative merits of whether Snape or Sirius is the 
> one caught with the other one's girl)
> 
> for,
> 
> SHIP  Black  Florence
> SHIP  Snape Florence
> Black  Snape
> 
> Although Florence doesn't really figure much, except as a pile of ashes in 
> an urn next to Snape's bed. (Isn't it funny how it's always the same 
> people's posts that give you headaches?)
> 
> I'd been working along the priciple that some of these acronyms are not so 
> much acronyms as the names of full blown theories, discussed at length on 
> list, and quite likely to be searched for in themselves. 
> Isn't this what 'Fourth Man' is? Is George acceptable? GEORGE'S SISTER 
> DIANA,  presumably wouldn't be.
> 
> >> 
>> 7.    You might encounter SHIP posts and TBAY posts in which the 
>> prefix was used improperly, either because the poster neglected to 
>> use the appropriate prefix or because s/he used it when it was not 
>> necessary.  Go ahead and rectify these errors when you catalogue.  A 
>> post which makes reference to an established theory by means of 
>> shorthand (ie, Fourth Man, Big Bang, MAGIC DISHWASHER) and does not 
>> elucidate the meaning of that theory in the post should still carry 
>> a TBAY designation, even if the poster did not write in a "TBAY 
>> style."
> 
> 
> I am cataloguing part of the phase which led up to the creation of the TBAY 
> prefix. I should presumably go back and give the prefix retrospectively?
> Should the above example and the rest of that thread be TBAYed? I regard 
> CUPIDSBLUDGER as a TBAY theory and we do have some slight refs to ships and 
> tugboats, etc. here and there.
> 
> There is a practical problem cataloguing as something as both TBAY and SHIP 
> as really it needs a minimum of four key word on a line.
> 
> Or should I go for,
> 
> TBAY  SHIP  Black
> TBAY  SHIP  Snape
> TBAY  SHIP  Florence ?
> 
> Going back to the guidelines, I guess I'm not quite sure of the reason 
> *why* we're using the TBAY prefix as a keyword, at all.
> If it is so that someone can pull out all the TBAY threads, then surely 
> *all* the posts pertaining to such theories should be given TBAY as a 
> keyword, whether the meaning of the theory's name is elucidated or not. 
> Otherwise, incomplete threads will emerge from the search.
> 
> The reasons for using the prefix on the main board don't really pertain 
> here, do they?
> (Unfortunately! I love reading TBAY posts, but they are pigs to catalogue 
> and avoiding them would speed me up considerably!)
> 
> (Later)
> A constructive suggestion:
> Since, skimming through other people's catalogues, TBAY doesn't seem to 
> have figured much, if at all, as a keyword yet (unless Amy's done some), 
> how about, instead of actually putting it in as a *keyword*, we put it in 
> as the first word in the 'comments' column?
> That way, we don't clutter up the 'Topics' columns, but if anyone performed 
> an 'Accio TBAY!' on the Comments column, all the TBAYs should immediately 
> fly into their hands.... Shouldn't they? And whatever posts you summoned up 
> via any other column in a sort, the comments column would tell you 
> immediately if it was a TBAY, should you need warning, time to make a cup o
> f tea, break out the single malt, take a tranquilliser, or whatever.
> 
> On the subject of what *not* to include, I suspect that I may be leaving in 
> posts that could be omitted, but I've erred on the side of caution. I've 
> commented occasionally that the post adds little (I even employed Pip's 
> friend ANN, yesterday). I'd rather leave it to the discretion of the FAQ 
> editor to make the final decision. (It takes me longer to come to a 
> decision about whether it's worth keeping than it does to catalogue it.) 
> Occasionally when there's been a bit of a ding-dong disagreement over 
> something (Snape didn't take the Wolfsbane Potion to the Shack - Oh yes he 
> did - Oh no he didn't) I've felt it quite helpful to catalogue more or less 
> the whole thread to represent the feeling of the list, rather than of one 
> or two individuals.
> 
> Eloise
> Who doesn't try to be difficult, but just has a natural talent for it.
> 
And does appreciate the new all inclusive guidelines - really! :-)


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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct 10 17:47:00 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:47:00 -0000
Subject: Fwd: [HP4GU-FAQ] New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
In-Reply-To: <173.1024c431.2ad71217@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ao4eek+7nre@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> > (Unfortunately! I love reading TBAY posts, but they are pigs to
catalogue 
> > and avoiding them would speed me up considerably!)

Avoiding TBAY though would kind of defeat the purpose of cataloguing.
Some of the best posts and brightest theories are TBAY. Sure, a lot of
them don't seem to be even honestly held by Cindy, but Fourth Man
really is believed in by a few people. Meanwhile, Peter/Lily will
probably turn out to be canon :-) even if Elkins did become an Evil
Overlord for the occasion, George is the most popular explanation of
Severus Snape to date as well as an auburn haired flirt, and there
probably is something shady going on with the aurors and Wilkes even
if it was Evan Rosier's ghost who tipped me off about it. 

> > 
> > (Later)
> > A constructive suggestion:
> > Since, skimming through other people's catalogues, TBAY doesn't
seem to 
> > have figured much, if at all, as a keyword yet (unless Amy's done
some), 
> > how about, instead of actually putting it in as a *keyword*, we
put it in 
> > as the first word in the 'comments' column?
> > That way, we don't clutter up the 'Topics' columns, but if anyone
performed 
> > an 'Accio TBAY!' on the Comments column, all the TBAYs should
immediately 
> > fly into their hands.... Shouldn't they? And whatever posts you
summoned up 
> > via any other column in a sort, the comments column would tell you 
> > immediately if it was a TBAY, should you need warning, time to
make a cup o
> > f tea, break out the single malt, take a tranquilliser, or whatever.

I like this idea. And I do feel sorry for Eloise striking out across
the vast and unpredictable waters of Theory Bay. But look on the
bright side. At least you don't have to catalogue all the TBAY
appearances and props. (Imagines Keywords: Memory Charm, Neville,
George Lucas, Stephen Spielberg, Avery, TBAY, Revenge, George, Faith,
Hovercraft, Matching Armchair Dinghy, Kayak, Canon Museum, Movie Set,
Trailer, St. Mungo's etc.) 

Eileen




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct 10 15:45:19 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:45:19 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
Message-ID: <b9.2833b2ea.2ad6fa8f@aol.com>

I'm shuffling my deckchairs again, fearful of the ship sinking at any moment.

> 6.    For SHIP, TBAY and FF, please use the prefix and other 
> keywords depending on canon point.  Please do not include separate 
> keywords for acronyms; we have over 200 different acronyms in use on 
> the list.  Instead, use appropriate keywords to describe the canon 
> point of the post, using the comments field for the acronym.  
> Remember, garden variety acronym posts are not TBAY and so do not 
> require the prefix.

I take the general point and obviously in the case of things like LOLLIPOPS 
and FLIRTIAC, they are quite superflous in that they are *defined* by the 
keywords, 

SHIP  Lily  Snape

or whatever.

But I'm stuck. How do I find a keyword for SYCOPHANTS (a discussion of the 
diversity and characteristics thereof) without using the word, um, 
sychophants? Which in the context, is always capitalised?

And what about posts inventing acronyms for non-canonical, TBAYish things?
For instance, I have Tabouli's post where Hedwig, Errol and Pigwidgeon 
sacrifice themselves to create the FEATHERBOAS which certain people round 
here sport.
Is this heroic and memorable act OT?

And is this what you want?

I'm changing, 

Black  Snape  CUPIDSBLUDGER
(The post considers the relative merits of whether Snape or Sirius is the one 
caught with the other one's girl)

for,

SHIP  Black  Florence
SHIP  Snape Florence
Black  Snape

Although Florence doesn't really figure much, except as a pile of ashes in an 
urn next to Snape's bed. (Isn't it funny how it's always the same people's 
posts that give you headaches?)

I'd been working along the priciple that some of these acronyms are not so 
much acronyms as the names of full blown theories, discussed at length on 
list, and quite likely to be searched for in themselves. 
Isn't this what 'Fourth Man' is? Is George acceptable? GEORGE'S SISTER DIANA, 
 presumably wouldn't be.

> 
> 7.    You might encounter SHIP posts and TBAY posts in which the 
> prefix was used improperly, either because the poster neglected to 
> use the appropriate prefix or because s/he used it when it was not 
> necessary.  Go ahead and rectify these errors when you catalogue.  A 
> post which makes reference to an established theory by means of 
> shorthand (ie, Fourth Man, Big Bang, MAGIC DISHWASHER) and does not 
> elucidate the meaning of that theory in the post should still carry 
> a TBAY designation, even if the poster did not write in a "TBAY 
> style."


I am cataloguing part of the phase which led up to the creation of the TBAY 
prefix. I should presumably go back and give the prefix retrospectively?
Should the above example and the rest of that thread be TBAYed? I regard 
CUPIDSBLUDGER as a TBAY theory and we do have some slight refs to ships and 
tugboats, etc. here and there.

There is a practical problem cataloguing as something as both TBAY and SHIP 
as really it needs a minimum of four key word on a line.

Or should I go for,

TBAY  SHIP  Black
TBAY  SHIP  Snape
TBAY  SHIP  Florence ?

Going back to the guidelines, I guess I'm not quite sure of the reason *why* 
we're using the TBAY prefix as a keyword, at all.
If it is so that someone can pull out all the TBAY threads, then surely *all* 
the posts pertaining to such theories should be given TBAY as a keyword, 
whether the meaning of the theory's name is elucidated or not. Otherwise, 
incomplete threads will emerge from the search.

The reasons for using the prefix on the main board don't really pertain here, 
do they?
(Unfortunately! I love reading TBAY posts, but they are pigs to catalogue and 
avoiding them would speed me up considerably!)

(Later)
A constructive suggestion:
Since, skimming through other people's catalogues, TBAY doesn't seem to have 
figured much, if at all, as a keyword yet (unless Amy's done some), how 
about, instead of actually putting it in as a *keyword*, we put it in as the 
first word in the 'comments' column?
That way, we don't clog up the 'Topics' columns, but if anyone performed an 
'Accio TBAY!' on the Comments column, all the TBAYs should immediately fly 
into their hands.... Shouldn't they? And whatever posts you summoned up via 
any other column in a sort, the comments column would tell you immediately if 
it was a TBAY, should you need warning.
At the moment, as I understand it, the comments column isn't meaningfully 
sortable and this would give it a dual purpose.

On the subject of what *not* to include, I suspect that I may be leaving in 
posts that could be cut, but I've erred on the side of caution. I've 
commented occasionally that the post adds little (I even employed Pip's 
friend ANN, yesterday). I'd rather leave it to the discretion of the FAQ 
editor to make the final decision. (It takes me longer to come to a decision 
about whether it's worth keeping than it does to catalogue it.) Occasionally 
when there's been a bit of a ding-dong disagreement over something (Snape 
didn't take the Wolfsbane Potion to the Shack - Oh yes he did - Oh no he 
didn't) I've felt it quite helpful to catalogue more or less the whole thread 
to represent the feeling of the list, rather than of one or two individuals.

Eloise
Who doesn't try to be difficult, but just has a natural talent for it.
> 
> 



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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct 10 18:28:06 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:28:06 -0000
Subject: An Interesting Theory Regarding Crouch Jr., Harry, and the Imperius Curse
Message-ID: <ao4grm+9gkd@eGroups.com>

I've grown to dread this discussion, but check out this imaginative
answer.

"2) If you resist Imperius, it's Cruciatus- much more enjoyable from a
DE's POV" (Susanna/pigwidgeon37, Message 28887)

FEATHERBOA though I may be, I think I'm going to pass on this one and
stick with Crouch Jr. was a natural born teacher fascinated with the
Imperius curse..............
But Cindy, wouldn't you like this one? It makes Crouch Jr. all tough
and horrible, instead of a little mixed in his feelings.

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct 10 17:31:01 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:01 -0000
Subject: Not Again, Please!
Message-ID: <ao4dgl+gg8f@eGroups.com>

I've got seriously allergic to the following topics.
"Why can't Sirius Black floo into Gryffindor tower?"

"How old is Hermione?"

If I see either of those again, I shall scream... and then get back to
cataloguing I suppose, since they will come up again.....

Cindy and Amy Z, your constant posts are keeping me sane through some
pretty low points in the history of HPFGU. Well perhaps not sane, but
interested and amused.

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 10 18:47:10 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:47:10 -0000
Subject: Delurks, and other embarrassing old posts
In-Reply-To: <anvsuq+e47@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao4hve+ogqv@eGroups.com>

Elkins wrote (about Dicey's and Cindy's twin de-lurks):


> By the way, if you want a smile (or even a nice cleansing bout of 
> textbook hysteria), then you should go and read Cindy's delurk, 
>which  she reposted in message 44212, and then check out Dicey's 
>delurk, message 32585.
> 
> Pretty creepy, innit?

Nah, that's not creepy.  What's creepy is this exchange between Liz 
and Dicey, from Dicey's message 32,748:

"> My point is I wonder how someone like Fudge got to be in charge. 
>*I* certainly wouldn't have voted for him (if that's how they get 
>the MoM...*holds up her "Arthur Weasley for MoM" sign*)
> 
> Liz
 

Dicey:

>First, I'll join the "Arthur Weasley for MoM" march,"

Uh, I haven't heard Dicey campaigning for Arthur for Minister of 
Magic recently.  What happened there, Dicey?  Change in political 
party?  ;-)


Elkins (on my puppy love for Fudge):
 
> Yes, Cindy, what *were* you thinking?  Fudge does seem personable 
> enough, true, and he's likely quite wealthy.  He's got that power 
> thing going for him, and the brightly colored outfits are rather 
> cute, I suppose, if you like that sort of thing.  

Well, actually, Fudge's wardrobe preferences remind me just a bit of 
Al Sharpton, and what woman doesn't swoon at the sight of Al 
Sharpton?  ;-)


>But for heaven's sake, the man is already married!  Or did you 
>think that Crouch once had an engagement with Fudge and his 
>*mother?* 


Yes, you're right.  I don't know what got into me there.  Everyone 
knows that married politicians *never* stray, huh?  
 
> Eileen:
> > Why couldn't I be like Elkins who scandalized the entire list 
with 
> > her first post and became an instant celebrity? 
 
Elkins:

>My delurk really wasn't at all scandalous.  

That's true, it wasn't.  

But Elkins didn't wait very long before she caused a Code Blue among 
the Moderators behind the scenes.  Who, I ask, has to be the only 
FAQ list member ever to draw a *Moderator Note* at the bottom of one 
of her posts?

Right in one!

And look, here it is in Message 33,990:

"[Mod note -- Elkins has done a great job relating this rather 
political discussion to the Wizarding World. Please remember that 
this list is for *canon* discussion (i.e. the books), and reference 
your posts appropriately, using canon as evidence. If you find 
yourself doing otherswise, please contact the Mods for advice at 
hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com. If this thread starts getting 
any more flamey than it is, the Mods will have to think about
taking action. Thanks, --John, for the HPFGU Moderator Team.]"

Yup, that Mod note went right on Elkins' permanent record, it 
did.  ;-)   

In fact, that might -- might -- have been the very first Mod note 
ever added to the bottom of a post.  We'll have to ask John.

Cindy -- hoping Elkins won't strike back by listing each of Cindy's 
problematic posts, but thinking Elkins probably doesn't have the 
*time*




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 10 19:54:34 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:54:34 -0000
Subject: Not Again, Please!
In-Reply-To: <ao4dgl+gg8f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao4ltq+8mq8@eGroups.com>

Eileen:

>"2) If you resist Imperius, it's Cruciatus- much more enjoyable 
>from a DE's POV" (Susanna/pigwidgeon37, Message 28887)

<snip>

>But Cindy, wouldn't you like this one? It makes Crouch Jr. all tough
>and horrible, instead of a little mixed in his feelings.

Ah, an early variant of Cruciatus-Makes-You-Stronger.  I am *never* 
going to live that down, am I?  ;-)

<snip repetitive theories>

> If I see either of those again, I shall scream... and then get 
>back to cataloguing I suppose, since they will come up again.....

Hey, don't look for any sympathy here!  I'm trapped -- trapped, I 
tell you -- in a never-ending "Draco is *not* evil, Oh, yes he is, 
Oh, no he isn't because he never killed anyone, Oh yes he is and 
he's a racist, too!" merry-go-round.  Wow!  People really get worked 
up over that issue.  But it's very easy to catalogue.  ;-)

 
> Cindy and Amy Z, your constant posts are keeping me sane through 
>some pretty low points in the history of HPFGU. 


Well, I'll let Amy speak for herself, but I can certainly admit that 
my posts were *constant* for a while there.  Man!

One thing I have noticed by doing posts from summer/fall 2001 is 
that the character of the list is a lot less chatty now than it was 
then.  There used to be lots of posts that were clearly a dialogue 
between two people, or were just a sentence or two -- like a 
conversation would be.  Now it seems that lots of people try to make 
Big arguments.

It's just different, that's all.

Cindy




From skelkins at attbi.com  Thu Oct 10 22:53:44 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:53:44 -0000
Subject: New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
In-Reply-To: <b9.2833b2ea.2ad6fa8f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ao50do+8608@eGroups.com>

Oh, dear, Debbie!  I had no idea that you lived in that part of the 
country too.  Okay.  I'll just add you and your family to the list of 
people that I worry about these days then.

No, it isn't funny, and it has got to be a terrible thing to try to 
explain to children.  Random strikes of fate are not very easy for 
any of us to come to grips with, and that there is human agency 
behind it in this case just makes it that much worse.  My thoughts 
are with you.  Keep safe.


Debbie asked:

> Is there any way to tell when pulling up the topic terms whether 
> it's been changed since I last looked at it? I mean, besides 
> counting the terms on the old list and comparing it to the number 
> on the screen? 

Sadly, I don't think that there is.  Using the printable record 
function does make it a lot easier to scan the list quickly to see if 
anything relevant to the batch of posts you've just catalogued has 
been added, and you can always jot down the number of entries in the 
database somewhere and compare it, but other than that, there's 
nothing that I'm aware of that can help us here.  


Eloise wrote:

> But I'm stuck. How do I find a keyword for SYCOPHANTS (a discussion 
> of the diversity and characteristics thereof) without using the 
> word, um, sychophants? Which in the context, is always capitalised?

For one of those "I identify and sympathize with SYCOPHANTS and 
here's why" posts, I might do something like this:

TBAY, Characterization, Reader Reaction

And put some mention of SYCOPHANTS in the comments field.

Similarly, "George" posts are really "Why did Snape join/leave the 
DEs" discussions, with "George" used as a kind of shorthand for an 
entire canonical argument.  So I'd keyword them appropriately, 
including a TBAY keyword to alert people that this particular post 
might require some background to understand, but mention George only 
in the comments cell.

> Going back to the guidelines, I guess I'm not quite sure of the 
> reason *why* we're using the TBAY prefix as a keyword, at all.

Some people find TBAY posts rather confusing.  Using the prefix as a 
keyword will give those FAQ editors who just can't cope with them 
fair warning when they are assembling their material.  I can imagine 
that it could be very frustrating for a FAQ editor to pull up a bunch 
of message numbers for what look to be perfect illustrative posts, 
only then to find that they are all written in a style which the 
editor finds opaque.  Keywording makes it easier for people to weed 
them out, if they so choose, or at least to have them all clumped 
together in the sorting array.

> On the subject of what *not* to include, I suspect that I may be 
> leaving in posts that could be cut, but I've erred on the side of 
> caution. I've commented occasionally that the post adds little (I 
> even employed Pip's friend ANN, yesterday). I'd rather leave it to 
> the discretion of the FAQ editor to make the final decision. 

Yes.  That's been my philosophy as well.  The situation that I would 
very much like for us to avoid is one in which the FAQ editors, 
having noticed that some groups of messages seem to have been far 
more idiosyncratically or extensively culled than others, get all 
*paranoid* and decide that they must do a cull themselves to make 
certain that the cataloguer did not leave out anything good, or 
impose too much of her own personal taste on the work.  I don't want 
the FAQ editors to worry that worthy posts might have been omitted on 
the whim of the cataloguer.  I want the FAQ editors to feel that they 
can trust the spreadsheet to include everything that they might want 
to find.  So I've been trying to err on the side of caution as well.

This brings up a point that I'd wanted to raise with you all, 
though.  I've been attempting to catalogue the current batch of posts 
as they've been appearing on the main list, and I'm discovering that 
there is a problem with this idea.  The problem here is that it is 
impossible for me to know which threads are going to evolve into 
something...well...*useful,* and which threads are fated to crib-
death.  I suspect that as a result, I'm putting in a lot more time 
and effort than I would necessarily have to if I had the benefit of 
hindsight.

This has led me to wonder if cataloguing current messages is really a 
very efficient use of my time at all.  So I thought that I'd punt the 
question over to you guys to see what you think.  Does it make sense 
for me to be doing this? Or would it make more sense to wait until 
46,000 before anyone starts cataloguing the current thousand posts?  
Or at least until the list hits 45,500?

I'm inclining towards the latter opinion myself (especially since 
it's already a given that the FAQs can never be *perfectly* 
current).  If others agree, then I will leave the 45000-46000 
spreadsheet as it is, to be taken up and completed later on, and 
instead get to work on an older block of messages.  (I'll even take
a recentish batch, so that Eloise's TBAY misery can have some 
company.)  But I thought that I'd best run that idea past you all 
first, to see what you think of it.


Elkins 




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 00:27:49 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:27:49 -0000
Subject: New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
In-Reply-To: <ao50do+8608@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao55u5+3ugf@eGroups.com>

Elkins asked:

> This has led me to wonder if cataloguing current messages is 
>really a very efficient use of my time at all.  So I thought that 
>I'd punt the question over to you guys to see what you think.  

Sounds good to me, Elkins.  I have found that some threads do peter 
out into nothing, and hindsight does help to figure out which posts 
are expendable, IMO.

Cindy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 11 00:35:08 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:35:08 -0000
Subject: New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
In-Reply-To: <ao50do+8608@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao56bs+9bjn@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "ssk7882" <skelkins at a...> wrote:
> Yes.  That's been my philosophy as well.  The situation that I would 
> very much like for us to avoid is one in which the FAQ editors, 
> having noticed that some groups of messages seem to have been far 
> more idiosyncratically or extensively culled than others, get all 
> *paranoid* and decide that they must do a cull themselves to make 
> certain that the cataloguer did not leave out anything good, or 
> impose too much of her own personal taste on the work.  I don't want 
> the FAQ editors to worry that worthy posts might have been omitted on 
> the whim of the cataloguer.  I want the FAQ editors to feel that they 
> can trust the spreadsheet to include everything that they might want 
> to find.  So I've been trying to err on the side of caution as well.

Very well. Constant Vigilance! 

> I'm inclining towards the latter opinion myself (especially since 
> it's already a given that the FAQs can never be *perfectly* 
> current).  If others agree, then I will leave the 45000-46000 
> spreadsheet as it is, to be taken up and completed later on, and 
> instead get to work on an older block of messages.  (I'll even take
> a recentish batch, so that Eloise's TBAY misery can have some 
> company.)  But I thought that I'd best run that idea past you all 
> first, to see what you think of it.

I think it's a great idea, especially since you seem to have a handle
on how to catalogue TBAY posts, and your examples could be very
beneficial. 

Eileen




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 11 01:36:57 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:36:57 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
Message-ID: <ao59vp+jvt7@eGroups.com>

I am just about to undertake the last 70 posts of my 1,000. In the
interests of getting myself through and providing some entertainment,
(Elkins did tell me that HP4GU-FAQ was going to be really, really
fun.) I am beginning a journal of my experiences.

28939 - This has been easy so far. Lots of people introducing
themselves, and Heidi telling them to go OT, and then people
apologizing for introducing themselves.

28940 - How old is Hermione. <screams loudly>

28943 - Cindy is "on a real anti-Snape tear today." Complains Snape
threatened to hand Lupin over to dementors

28948 - Cindy is informed that Snape didn't hand Lupin over to the
dementors. SO THERE! (How many times have we had this discussion since
then?)

28949 - Cindy explains that Snape would carry through with his nasty
threats, it's just something always intervenes. 

28951 - Hermione's Age! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

28953 - Amy Z sighs about Lupin FAQ.

28957 - Hermione's Age. ARGGHH.

28961 - Hermione's Age. <sigh>

28963 - Hermione's Age. ick.

28965 - Hermione's age. "Couldn't someone write/e-mail and ask her?"
Yes! Yes! Yes!

28973 - Cindy would have to start up a thread asking if you could only
attend one class, which class would you attend? Which would you least
want to attend? Curse you, Cindy! I do have to catalogue Cindy's post
for Elkins's sake, I suppose.....

28974 - "Definitely charms so I could bewitch all those handsome
hogwarts lads ;-)" Ahem...

28983 - Hermione's Age. 

28986 - Amy Z writes "Now, you can't leave it at that!  I really want
to know:  what gives this issue such tireless legs?" Shame on you,
Amy! (Though I'd like to know as well, come to think of it.)

28989 - Cindy "thinks soul sucking has to be unreasonable search and 
seizure"  - Eileen takes a while to compose herself for going on to
next post.
 
29000 - "I'd hafta say CoMC, because I love animals. (I mean, I live
with two corgis and 19 rats, plus the cats and the horse who *don't*
live with me, not to  mention the 84 plush and other dragons, 4
gryphons, and 2 custom jharicat puppets" Eileen joyously blacks out line. 

Well, I'm done. A little earlier than Mr. Crouch expected it. But I
like to keep ahead of things.

Eileen





From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Fri Oct 11 01:41:18 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Oct 2002 01:41:18 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1034300478.919.56591.w31@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /InProgress/Complete Catalogue - Posts 28,001-29,000.xls 
  Uploaded by : lucky_kari <lucky_kari at yahoo.ca> 
  Description : Posts 28,001-29,000 - Complete 

You can access this file at the URL

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To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

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Regards,

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From john at walton.vu  Fri Oct 11 01:43:41 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:43:41 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <1034300229.16880@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>
Message-ID: <1034300627.10494@mailserver120.sectorlink.com>


lucky_kari said:

> Well, I'm done. A little earlier than Mr. Crouch expected it. But I
> like to keep ahead of things.

Congratulations,  Eileen! Go you! Thanks on behalf of everyone for the
enormous amount of work you've done. And that goes for all of you FAQ-ers!

--John

________________________________

John Walton -- john at walton.vu

Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people do not shoot their husbands.
    -Elle Woods, in _Legally_Blonde_
________________________________





From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Oct 11 02:20:15 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:20:15 -0000
Subject: Much-needed term
Message-ID: <ao5cgv+i7fp@eGroups.com>

I just ran into the infamous "Snape's oily hair is his pleasure
center" post, so I submit OMG (oh my gawd) for messages you just can't
believe someone posted.

--Dicey




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 11 02:29:10 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:29:10 -0000
Subject: Much-needed term
In-Reply-To: <ao5cgv+i7fp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao5d1m+mct0@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> I just ran into the infamous "Snape's oily hair is his pleasure
> center" post, so I submit OMG (oh my gawd) for messages you just 
can't
> believe someone posted.
> 
> --Dicey

Number, please!

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 02:37:40 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:37:40 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao59vp+jvt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao5dhk+tv2n@eGroups.com>

Yippee, Eileen!

Come on.  Share with the group.  How the heck did you do that so 
fast?  I just finished 300 of my group of posts, and I'm whipped.  

 
> 28989 - Cindy "thinks soul sucking has to be unreasonable search 
>and seizure"  - Eileen takes a while to compose herself for going 
>on to next post.

Yes.  Right.

Do you guys know how often I have thought about going back to one of 
my old posts and deleting it?  A *lot,* that's how often.

What next, Eileen?  Can I interest you in Message Block 25,000-
26,000?  The first 300 posts have thoughtfully been done for you.

Cindy -- who is going to nail another 100 posts tomorrow if it kills 
her





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 11 02:44:52 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:44:52 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao5dhk+tv2n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao5dv4+ki6d@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Yippee, Eileen!
> 
> Come on.  Share with the group.  How the heck did you do that so 
> fast?  I just finished 300 of my group of posts, and I'm whipped.

Quite simple. I had Avery do it for me. :-)

> > 28989 - Cindy "thinks soul sucking has to be unreasonable search 
> >and seizure"  - Eileen takes a while to compose herself for going 
> >on to next post.
> 
> Yes.  Right.
> 
> Do you guys know how often I have thought about going back to one 
of 
> my old posts and deleting it?  A *lot,* that's how often.

It's too late now. It's catalogued! 

> What next, Eileen?  

Thanksgiving. Pumpkin pie, turkey etc. etc. 

Eileen




From skelkins at attbi.com  Fri Oct 11 03:46:56 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:46:56 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao5dv4+ki6d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao5hjg+nt30@eGroups.com>

Eileen blew the smoke away from her keyboard and announced smugly:

> Well, I'm done. A little earlier than Mr. Crouch expected it. But I
> like to keep ahead of things.

Wow, Eileen!

You know, somehow I just can't bring myself to muster up a 
Crouchesque response this time around?  Well done!

Enjoy your (very well earned) Big Family Thanksgiving Weekend.  With 
your two turkeys.  And six of your mother's eleven siblings.  And 
*their* families.  And...

<Elkins suddenly remembers that Eileen has mentioned the fact that 
she is the only girl in her family.  She gasps in horror.>

Oh no!  Eileen, please tell us that your family isn't one of those in 
which the menfolk are never expected to lend a hand with the washing 
up!  Please!


Since nobody seems to have any objections, I'm going to leave the 
current crop of messages for cataloging later and sign up for another 
chunk.  I'll try to share some of the TBAY misery.

Eileen (perhaps taking a bit of vengeance on me for my promise that 
all of this work was actually going to be fun) wrote:

> I think it's a great idea, especially since you seem to have a 
> handle on how to catalogue TBAY posts, and your examples could be 
> very beneficial. 

<snicker>

Well, my, my, my.  Aren't *we* the sly one today?   

Yeah, yeah.  All right.  I'll see what I can do with them.  And then 
you can all have a grand old time sitting around and mocking me for 
my pitiful efforts.


Elkins (wondering if Avery might not be willing to give her a hand
with a few hundred posts, or if he's still sore about that whole Evil 
Overlord thing)




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Oct 11 06:00:36 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:00:36 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: New and Improved Guidelines for Cataloguing Posts
Message-ID: <159.15bb0fe4.2ad7c304@aol.com>


Elkins:
>>Some people find TBAY posts rather confusing.  

Tell me about it! Did I not mention the need for fortification with tea, 
single malt, tranquillisers...Have you *seen* the grey, nay *white* hairs 
I've developed?

>>Using the prefix as a 
keyword will give those FAQ editors who just can't cope with them 
fair warning when they are assembling their material.  I can imagine 
that it could be very frustrating for a FAQ editor to pull up a bunch 
of message numbers for what look to be perfect illustrative posts, 
only then to find that they are all written in a style which the 
editor finds opaque.  Keywording makes it easier for people to weed 
them out, if they so choose, or at least to have them all clumped 
together in the sorting array.<<

I agree. But it *does* clutter up the topics columns in the way I indicated, 
particularly when it's also a SHIP post.
My suggestion of putting TBAY as the first word in the comments column would 
solve both problems, I thought. But I'm a Luddite, who doesn't understand 
these things, so perhaps I've got this sorting business all wrong. (I can't 
experiment to find out.)

In any case, I still need an answer to the question I asked about whether or 
not I am retrospectively to designate Proto-TBAY Period posts as TBAY or not. 
I shall take silence to mean consent. I was intending to get down to a chunk 
of cataloguing today and do not want to have to go back and insert or delete 
yet more rows and shift yet more keywords from column to column.


> > But I'm stuck. How do I find a keyword for SYCOPHANTS (a discussion 
> > of the diversity and characteristics thereof) without using the 
> > word, um, sychophants? Which in the context, is always capitalised?
> 
> For one of those "I identify and sympathize with SYCOPHANTS and 
> here's why" posts, I might do something like this:
> 
> TBAY, Characterization, Reader Reaction
> 
> And put some mention of SYCOPHANTS in the comments field.
> 

This is the case in point, just out of interest and for the general 
entertainment of all:

> Uh, would it be a fair assumption that S.Y.C.O.P.H.A.N.T.S. members 
> are not Tough? 

Er...not as a general *rule,* no. But some are. In fact, a few of 
our members have even been known to do things like sever their own 
body parts, although they are generally only able to manage such 
feats of Toughness when the plot demands it.

As I've said before, though, there really is a great deal of 
diversity within our ranks. We are, after all, an umbrella 
organization of sorts for those members of the fictive world who are 
what we like to call, er..."reader sympathy challenged." So while it 
is indeed true that our Abject Neurotics are, almost without 
exception, Not Tough, quite a number of our Yes-Men are very Tough 
Indeed. Young Crabbe and Goyle, for example, currently show every 
sign of growing up to be Reasonably Tough Yes-Men.

It is a sad truth, however, that our Toughest members are also often 
our very least articulate. As a result, they do often find 
themselves shockingly marginalized, even within the ranks of our own 
organization. We hope to address this problem in the future.

> Do they watch a great deal of daytime television and read a lot of 
> self-help books while they eat pint after pint of high-fat ice
> cream? :-) 

Well, many of our members currently hold 24/7 positions as Minions to 
various Evil Overlords, which doesn't leave them very much time at all
for daytime television and the like. Really, you know, it's very hard
work being a SYCOPHANT. It takes a lot of time, and a lot of mental
and physical energy...it can be *draining,* you know, it really can 
be... and all too often it leaves you with nothing left over for such 
frivolities as self-help books and the like.

No, at the end of the day, most of our members really just want 
nothing more than to go home and take their anti-anxiety medications, 
and their sedatives, and their anti-depressants, and their antacids, 
and their many *many* pain-relievers, and then go to bed, secure in 
the comforting knowledge that Tomorrow Is Another Day -- And Quite 
Likely To Be Your Last.

And as for the ice cream...well, minions rarely get very much of 
that. Evil Overlords are *notorious* for bogarting the high-fat ice 
cream.

Damn them.


-- Elkins

Eloise






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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 13:24:12 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:24:12 -0000
Subject: Goofing Off When I Should Be Cataloguing
Message-ID: <ao6jds+p51m@eGroups.com>

Are you in a rut?

Are all of the posts you are cataloguing starting to look and sound 
alike?

Are you wondering whether it is all in your mind?

Fear not!  

Your own personal sanity check can be found in the Excel Edit 
function.  You can enter a search term, hit Find All, and Excel will 
tell you how many times you have entered that term into your 
spreadsheet.  (Squint at the bottom left corner of the pop-up 
window.)

For instance, I've done about 350 posts, and only about 141 have 
made it into the catalogue.  Of those 141 entries, 33 have concerned 
Redeemable Draco.  He's *everywhere!*  He just comes up and comes up 
and comes up.  And that doesn't include the Redeemable!Draco one-
liners and other Draco Posts That Should Be Skipped.

Once and for all, people:  Draco is Evil To The Core, OK!  He's 
gonna live evil, and he's gonna die evil!

Cindy -- looking forward to the great foreshadowing and misdirection 
threads that are coming her way





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Oct 11 14:06:43 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:06:43 EDT
Subject: Goofing off when I should be cataloguing
Message-ID: <da.1f319ebe.2ad834f3@aol.com>

What...you too? :-)

>For instance, I've done about 350 posts, and only about 141 have 
>made it into the catalogue. 

My, but you are ruthless! How about you come round and sort my house out? 
It's full of useless junk I can't quite get round to throwing out.

How about, 'Who's your favourite non-wizarding character? (Are we chucking 
those ones out?)
To which someone replied, 'Pettigrew and Voldemort'
<shrug>

So far I've only found one reply to Eileen's, 'Let's all predict what'll 
happen in OoP' thread. It said , 'What a good idea. Let's!' 
Even I'm ruthless enough to delete those ones.

Elkins, back in Feb:

>--Elkins, wondering if a FLIRTIAC post really needs to be prefaced with a 
SHIP warning.<

No...It need s a SHIP *and* a TBAY! (I think!)

I've just found my 'Drowning in Theories: A Plea' post in which I begged for 
the proliferation of theories bobbing around in what (I think) was still an 
un-named and uncharted stretch of water to be collected and summarised.

Cindy directed me to Inish Alley, which I was having trouble locating even 
then.
Plus ca change (no idea how you do accents in AOL).

Eloise



From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 14:36:09 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:36:09 -0000
Subject: Goofing off when I should be cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <da.1f319ebe.2ad834f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ao6nkp+j4i2@eGroups.com>

Eloise:

> My, but you are ruthless! 

Oh, my message block has been awash in what I'll call "personal 
opinion" threads.  There are lots of movie posts.  Lots of posts 
about why OoP is taking so long.  There's the old "50 Ways to Ditch 
Your DADA" and "PDWDWTSAFAB (Plot Devices We Don't Want to See Again 
For A Bit."  I catalogue the first of the thread and skip, skip, 
skip.

And there's someone who is 20 digests behind and does a kind of free 
association by reading the digest and typing out whatever thought 
pops into her head.  Six down, 14 to go.

No one replies.  ;-)

Oh, and hey.  What did Gulplum mean yesterday when he said TBAY 
was "twee?"  I'm guessing "twee" means "weird."

Cindy -- denying that she picked the very first message block in the 
hope that it would have lots of things that are skip-worthy, and 
very thankful that we moderate new members now




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Oct 11 17:27:45 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:27:45 -0000
Subject: Goofing off when I should be cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <ao6nkp+j4i2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao71mh+fnre@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

> Oh, and hey.  What did Gulplum mean yesterday when he said TBAY 
> was "twee?"  I'm guessing "twee" means "weird."
> 
M-W says that "twee" is:

Etymology: baby-talk alteration of sweet
chiefly British : affectedly or excessively dainty, delicate, cute, or
quaint <such a theme might sound twee or corny>

So them's fightin' words, them is.  Either that or he thinks we're cute!

--Dicey




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 19:04:40 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:04:40 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao5hjg+nt30@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao77c8+91bc@eGroups.com>

Elkins congratulated:

> Enjoy your (very well earned) Big Family Thanksgiving Weekend.  

Well, let's not be *hasty,* here!  ;-)

Eileen, you seem to have a natural gift for cataloguing.  It would 
be such a shame to let that gift go to waste.  I mean, you wouldn't 
want to finish one little ol' 1000 message block and waltz outta 
here, figuring your share of the work is done.  No, that just 
wouldn't be *right,* now would it Eileen?  You'd never save yourself 
and leave the rest of us in here to *die,* all alone, our fixed 
expressions lit only by the blue light of a computer monitor.

<falls to knees>

PLEASE!  Eileen, ya gotta help us!  Ya gotta take another block of 
messages!  Please!  You can do it in a week, you know you can.  
It'll feel like *nothing* to someone with your skills, Eileen.

Tell ya what.  If you can complete another message block by the end 
of the month, I will do *anything you want!*  

OK, well, not "anything" per se.  I mean, I have to maintain my 
personal dignity here.  And I'm not a very powerful person, really.  
Or wealthy.  I don't have a lot of control over much of anything.  
So I'll do *anything* you want so long as I can do it.  And so long 
as I'm feeling up to it.  And so long as nothing else of importance 
comes up.  And so long as it's not too much trouble or too hard.  
Anything you want, Eileen, you just speak right on up.  ;-)

Cindy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 11 19:17:41 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:17:41 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao77c8+91bc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao784l+7ghd@eGroups.com>

Eileen looks at Cindy's post. And begins to laugh. And laugh and
laugh. She falls down on the floor gasping for air. And rolls over and
laughs some more. 

"Avery," she gasps. "T-tell Cindy." She begins to choke. 

Avery sits down calmly at computer and begins to type,

"Esteemed Captain Cindy,

I must inform you that Thanksgiving is celebrated in early October in
Canada, this weekend to be precise: Friday-Monday. Eileen is currently
packing her bags for the weekend but will doubtless take on some more
cataloguing come Tuesday.

Yours Truly,

Avery

P.S. I would be careful about promising too much, Cindy. Eileen is
currently muttering something about "Crouch" and "Redemption."

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Elkins congratulated:
> 
> > Enjoy your (very well earned) Big Family Thanksgiving Weekend.  
> 
> Well, let's not be *hasty,* here!  ;-)
> 
> Eileen, you seem to have a natural gift for cataloguing.  It would 
> be such a shame to let that gift go to waste.  I mean, you wouldn't 
> want to finish one little ol' 1000 message block and waltz outta 
> here, figuring your share of the work is done.  No, that just 
> wouldn't be *right,* now would it Eileen?  You'd never save yourself 
> and leave the rest of us in here to *die,* all alone, our fixed 
> expressions lit only by the blue light of a computer monitor.
> 
> <falls to knees>
> 
> PLEASE!  Eileen, ya gotta help us!  Ya gotta take another block of 
> messages!  Please!  You can do it in a week, you know you can.  
> It'll feel like *nothing* to someone with your skills, Eileen.
> 
> Tell ya what.  If you can complete another message block by the end 
> of the month, Iwill do *anything you want!*  
> 
> OK, well, not "anything" per se.  I mean, I have to maintain my 
> personal dignity here.  And I'm not a very powerful person, really.  
> Or wealthy.  I don't have a lot of control over much of anything.  
> So I'll do *anything* you want so long as I can do it.  And so long 
> as I'm feeling up to it.  And so long as nothing else of importance 
> comes up.  And so long as it's not too much trouble or too hard.  
> Anything you want, Eileen, you just speak right on up.  ;-)
> 
> Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 19:42:20 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:42:20 -0000
Subject: I'm Done - The Last  70 posts - A Journal
In-Reply-To: <ao784l+7ghd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao79is+7poc@eGroups.com>

Eileen snickered:

> I must inform you that Thanksgiving is celebrated in early October 
>in Canada, this weekend to be precise: Friday-Monday. 

Oh, I knew *that!*

In fact, I myself am getting ready for that there October Canadian 
Thanksgiving celebration my own self.  Yessirree.  Uh-huh.  In fact, 
I have an especially snappy new recipe for *cranberry* sauce that 
I'll be making.  Yup.  It's pretty upscale if truth be told.  You 
have to chop every single cranberry *by hand* with a scalpel into 4 
equal size pieces, called "cran-quadrants."  Failure to do this 
properly *ruins* it, I tell ya.

I bet they don't have *that* in Canada.  ;-)

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 11 20:28:13 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:28:13 -0000
Subject: I'm Halfway Through!
Message-ID: <ao7c8t+bmk2@eGroups.com>

Oh, whew!  I reached my 500th post today.  And guess what?  Message 
25,500 was one of mine.  And it was a harbinger, no doubt about it.

Cindy -- knocking off for Canadian Thanksgiving

***************


--- In HPforGrownups at y..., prefectmarcus at y... wrote:
> Has anybody noticed the duelling theme in the books? In each of 
the 
> books except HP3 PoA, we have references to duelling.
> 
> In Book #1, Malfoy challenges Harry to a duel. This is our first 
> introduction to the concept of wizards duelling.
> 
> Book #2, we have the Duelling Club.
> 
> In Book #4, we have the graveyard scene.
> 
> Question, what is JKR setting us up for?
> 
> Marcus


Hmmm. Hard to say. But there has never been a duel in which anyone 
dies. So far, the duel has just been a clever tease to set up other 
things. 

I think she'll drop the duel business, though. We're now in a full-
scale war. People don't duel in wars. They ambush.

Cindy





From skelkins at attbi.com  Fri Oct 11 21:13:07 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:13:07 -0000
Subject: Harbingers of Doom
In-Reply-To: <ao7c8t+bmk2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao7et3+f9ff@eGroups.com>

Aw, Eileen!  Did you have to?  I was so enjoying watching Cindy 
grovel.  She doesn't do that very often, you know.

More often, she amuses herself by mocking my husband's cranberry 
relish.

> In fact, I have an especially snappy new recipe for *cranberry* 
> sauce that I'll be making. Yup. It's pretty upscale if truth be 
> told. You have to chop every single cranberry *by hand* with a 
> scalpel into 4 equal size pieces, called "cran-quadrants." Failure 
> to do this properly *ruins* it, I tell ya.

Four pieces?

Oh, no Cindy.  No, no, no.  *Sixteen* pieces.  Sixteen pieces.  By 
hand. Because it just wouldn't be the *same* if you used a food 
processor, you know.  Food processors are the work of the devil.

Yeah, you guys think that I'm anal-retentive?  You think that I have 
obsessive-compulsive tendencies?  You think that I'm a *Luddite?*

Oh, no.  I'm not the Luddite.  My husband is the Luddite.  Do you 
have any idea what it is like to sit around watching someone bent 
over a cutting board with an expression of fierce concentration on 
his face, chopping raw cranberry after raw cranberry into sixteen 
perfectly equal sized pieces?  When there's a perfectly good food 
processor right there in the kitchen?

Oh, it just drives me nuts.  It makes me want to *shake* him.  

<harbingers>

> I think she'll drop the duel business, though. We're now in a full-
> scale war. People don't duel in wars. They ambush.

DOOM!

Doom, doom, doom...

Speaking of harbingers (and of delurks), it might interest you all to 
take a look at my almost-delurk on *this* list.

875 was my delurk.  But check out my second message.  It's message 
number 928.

Doom, doom, doom...

Oh, and...

> What did Gulplum mean yesterday when he said TBAY was "twee?" 

"Twee" means cutesy and quaint in a kitschy, artificial sort of way.  
Like shops that call themselves things like "Ye Olde Socke Shoppe."  

So, yes.  It was indeed an insult.


Elkins




From skelkins at attbi.com  Fri Oct 11 22:42:33 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:42:33 -0000
Subject: Feeling Eloise's Pain
Message-ID: <ao7k4p+ooq@eGroups.com>

Well.  You *did* want some comeuppance humor here, didn't you?

Okay.  I've just reached message #38141, Charis Julia's perfectly 
lovely resurrection of the long-submerged CUPIDSBLUDGER vessel.
("Now!  With new CABBAGE!")

I begin to understand why Eloise has been so distraught.

Okay.  Here is how I keyed this post.

TBAY SHIP Figg
SHIP Figg Black
SHIP Figg Snape
TBAY SHIP Prank
TBAY Snape Black

Why?

Well...uh...because I figured that the questions that people were 
most likely to be asking of the spreadsheet were:

With whom has Arabella Figg been 'shipped?
With whom has Sirius been 'shipped?
With whom has Snape been 'shipped?
Has anyone ever ascribed a 'ship as a motive for the Dread Pr*nk?
Have there ever been any genuine *'ships* in the Bay apart from 
LOLLIPOPS?
and
In what contexts have Arabella Figg/Sirius/Snape/the Prank appeared 
in the Bay?

So that was my rationale.

Hmm?  What's that?  What's that you say?  You say that the way I 
arranged things makes it possible that somebody looking for 'shipping 
posts might not get their "fair warning" that this message is in fact 
a TBAY until they look at the contents cell?  Or that someone 
searching out TBAY Snape posts might not get *their* fair warning 
that this post contains 'shipping until they actually read the 
description?

Why, yes!  You're right.  How about that?

Yeah, well.  You know what?  They can just suck it up and *deal.*


Elkins (who has just realized that yet again, she has failed to call 
Sirius "Black" and is off to Search and Replace now)




From skelkins at attbi.com  Sat Oct 12 04:50:59 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:50:59 -0000
Subject: Redeemable Villain Specs
In-Reply-To: <ao6jds+p51m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao89nj+37p7@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

> Once and for all, people:  Draco is Evil To The Core, OK!  He's 
> gonna live evil, and he's gonna die evil!

Aw, Cindy.  Can't you cut poor Draco a break?  Look at it this
way: at least you aren't stuck cataloguing an "Is Voldemort 
Redeemable?" thread.  Which is what I'm currently doing.

So far the breakdown goes like this:

Message 38255: "Hey!  What if Voldemort became a good guy?"

Message 38256: "What?  Are you nuts?  Voldemort kills innocents
without remorse!  He's evil, I tell ya!  Evil, Evil, Evil!!!"

Message 38257: "Yeah, he's one evil dude, all right.  But you
know what?  At least he really cares for his pet snake."



Elkins, all ready to jump aboard the Redeemable!Voldemort bandwagon, 
because that "cares for his pet snake" argument is just *killer* 




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Sat Oct 12 09:04:20 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 12 Oct 2002 09:04:20 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1034413460.6002.42339.w52@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /Snape_FAQ_in_progress/snapefaq.html 
  Uploaded by : porphyria_ash <porphyria at mindspring.com> 
  Description : The Snape FAQ: Official First Draft 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/Snape_FAQ_in_progress/snapefaq.html 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

porphyria_ash <porphyria at mindspring.com>
 







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Oct 12 14:35:32 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:35:32 -0000
Subject: Longest Uninterrupted Streak (WAS New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ)
In-Reply-To: <1034413460.6002.42339.w52@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <ao9bvk+v327@eGroups.com>

Wow!  Gwen and Porphyria, the Snape FAQ looks positively Fab!  And 
you even made room for my little baby -- Snape-as-part-dementor!  
*Sniff!*  I'm suddenly overcome with emotion.  ;-)

Anyway, I was cataloguing, and I wanted to submit an entry for the 
award for Most Uninterrupted Posts By One Poster:  

<drumroll>

Vicky DeGroote, six consecutive messages (spanning *two* days, in 
fact,) Messages 25,638-25,643.

See if you can top *that!*

Cindy




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 13 02:53:44 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:53:44 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ, new improved version
In-Reply-To: <ao9bvk+v327@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoan7o+qndb@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
> Wow!  Gwen and Porphyria, the Snape FAQ looks positively Fab!  And 
> you even made room for my little baby -- Snape-as-part-dementor!  
> *Sniff!*  I'm suddenly overcome with emotion.  ;-)

We aim to please! Especially you, Cindy, since we know you're such
a fan of Snape's. ;-) 

Well, I've uploaded a version which I'm ready to submit to the
critique of the list. Please look it over, test the links, comment 
on the format, and send any corrections to moi. 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/Snape_FAQ_in_progress/
snapefaq.html

Thanks everyone for the compliments so far.
~Porphyria




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 13 18:26:18 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:26:18 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Snape FAQ, new improved version
In-Reply-To: <aoan7o+qndb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <442FF15F-DED9-11D6-9D3C-000393465128@mindspring.com>

I'm making more corrections and tweaks to the Snape FAQ as I go along. I 
have a bad habit of referring to the "Secret-Keeper" as the "Promise 
Keeper" <hangs head in shame>, not to mention my reprehensible knowledge 
of British geography <quitely thanks Eloise for catching an error>. Anyway,
  I came across an editorial issue regarding our shorthand that I thought I'
d submit to the group.

For starters, Prank. I've wound up standardizing the capitalization to 
"Prank" every time it's cited, since it's not just any prank (Canary 
Creams, e.g.), it's *The Prank* that's possibly one of the formative 
events of Snape's life. If people feel that capitalizing it is silly, 
needless and pretentious, I can change it all back to lower case with a 
simple search-and-replace, so let me know.

And that made me wonder about who the audience for this document is. If it'
s newbies, then I was wondering if we should include a glossary at the end 
for these terms:

DADA
DE
MWPP, Marauders
JKR
Prank
PS/SS, CoS, PoA, GoF
Trio

Or are these too obvious? Should a newbie be able to figure them out from 
context? Should we do first references like this: "Defense Against the 
Dark Arts (DADA)"? Then again, if people are clicking around individual 
questions willy-nilly, they might miss a first reference, and it's 
cumbersome to spell everything out every time. Let me know what you think.

Thanks, Porphyria




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Oct 13 19:21:19 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:21:19 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Snape FAQ, new improved version
Message-ID: <152.15ce062e.2adb21af@aol.com>

In a message dated 13/10/2002 19:25:29 GMT Standard Time, 
porphyria at mindspring.com writes:


> For starters, Prank. I've wound up standardizing the capitalization to 
> "Prank" every time it's cited, since it's not just any prank (Canary 
> Creams, e.g.), it's *The Prank* that's possibly one of the formative 
> events of Snape's life. If people feel that capitalizing it is silly, 
> needless and pretentious, I can change it all back to lower case with a 
> simple search-and-replace, so let me know.
> 

Well, there are those (a few) on the list who would object to the term, 'The 
Prank' whether it's capitalised or not. It's a list term, rather than a 
canonical one.
Given that, I would say it *should* be capitalised, or even put in inverted 
commas (although that would become tedious to read). Perhaps the fact that it 
*is* (AFAIK) a HPfGU term should be acknowledged if it isn't already. (I 
haven't read the FAQ as closely as I would have liked, yet.) Your suggestion 
of a glossary would address that. Similarly Marauders (which, IIRC, the 
Lexicon objects to as a non-canonical term).

I think the target audience comprises both old and new members of the group.
We have to assume that newbies *will* read it (we really want them to, don't 
we?) and so the explanation of terms isn't superfluous. 

I think it does have to be in a separate section though, because, as you say, 
if someone doesn't sit down and read straight through they could easily miss 
the explanation of a term if it is just defined on first occurence.

I know many of these terms *are* explained elsewhere, but I think that for 
newbies, for whom HPfGU can be a huge and rather confusing place, having 
definitions at their fingertips can only be useful.

Eloise


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From rusalka at ix.netcom.com  Sun Oct 13 21:51:24 2002
From: rusalka at ix.netcom.com (marinafrants)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:51:24 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ, new improved version
In-Reply-To: <442FF15F-DED9-11D6-9D3C-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <aocpss+r2ga@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Porphyria <porphyria at m...> wrote:
> And that made me wonder about who the audience for this document 
is. If it'
> s newbies, then I was wondering if we should include a glossary at 
the end 
> for these terms:

I think a glossary would be useful, yes.  There's a lot of jargon on 
the list, which seems very obvious once you're used to it, but can 
be confusing to newbies.  

And yeah, I do think the Prank should be capitalized, since it's 
almost always capitalized in list discussions.

Marina
rusalka at ix.netcom.com





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct 13 22:15:47 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:15:47 -0000
Subject: Snape FAQ, new improved version
In-Reply-To: <aocpss+r2ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aocraj+6c0j@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Porphyria:

> And that made me wonder about who the audience for this document 
> is. If it's newbies, then I was wondering if we should include a 
>glossary at the end for these terms:

I agree that the Prank should be capitalized, as should other short-
hand fandom terms of art, like Marauders.

We could do a glossary for the FAQs as a whole rather than as a 
piece of each individual FAQ.  Maybe we should start a database and 
FAQ writers could add any potentially confusing terms in as they go 
along?

Cindy -- who just *loves* databases




From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Oct 14 02:35:14 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:35:14 -0000
Subject: Chapter Summaries?
Message-ID: <aodah2+qh67@eGroups.com>

Hi all --

Well, I catalogued my first 50 posts tonight!  3 cheers & all that.  

Okay, I printed off both the Cataloging Topic Terms and the New & 
Improved Guidelines message from Cindy, and I haven't seen this 
addressed recently: what are we doing about chapter summaries?  

Since a chapter summary is Message #50 for me, I'm going to call it 
a night.  <g>

By the bye, I did the following on my spreadsheet:

1.  I did not blackline the skipped posts.  I followed Cindy's 
example & merely deleted those rows.  Okay?

2.  I added about 7-8 new terms to the Topic Terms database -- 
sorry.  They are all "broad" terms though.  :--)

3.  I note that several of you are using a template with Row #2 left 
blank.  Just so you know, the sorting function won't work if you 
skip a row & leave it blank.  That's probably another reason *not* 
to blackline rows but to delete them instead.   OTOH, perhaps we 
won't ever need to use the sorting function, and I certainly defer 
to Dicey on techie matters with Excel.  But, I am a seasoned Excel 
fan -- so what say you, Dicey?  

Penny




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 14 03:16:59 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:16:59 -0000
Subject: Chapter Summaries?
In-Reply-To: <aodah2+qh67@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aodcvb+ovh5@eGroups.com>

Penny:

>what are we doing about chapter summaries?  

I'm entering them under Keyword "Chapter" and then I state the book 
and chapter in the comments field.  Hmmm.  I wonder if I remembered 
to put "Chapter" in the Keyword database.  Will go check.

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 14 13:51:49 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:51:49 -0000
Subject: Will This Do, Mr. Avery?
Message-ID: <aoei5l+ga7n@eGroups.com>

Cindy drew a ragged breath, her trembling fingers clutching the 
wobbly door knob.  She tried to turn it slowly, but it spun 
pointlessly in her sweaty grasp.  

The door swung open abruptly, stirring the air in the dusty 
hallway.  Avery stood framed in the doorway of his corner office, 
his face fixed with a contemptuous sneer.  "What do *you* want?" he 
demanded.

"It's my -?" Cindy gulped audibly.  "It's my catalogue.  I'm 
finished, Sir," she said.

"Well, what on earth *took* you so long?  Do you think I can wait 
*forever* for this catalogue?"

"No, Sir.  No.  I don't think that, Sir.  Not at all, Sir."  Cindy 
took a step backward, shaking her head vigorously from side to 
side.  "No, not at all.  I know you mean *business* here, Sir.  So 
I'll be starting on another message block immediately, if that's all 
right."

"Excellent." Avery's scowl turned into an easy smile.  

"Just  -- just one more question, Mr. . . . uh  -? Mr. Avery -? is 
it all right if I call you Mr. Avery?" Cindy whispered, wincing.

"Go on," Avery said impatiently.

"Eileen.  Eileen finished her message block too, didn't she?"

"Yes, she did.  And she will be rewarded handsomely for her effort," 
Avery said.  "What's your point?"

"Well, Eileen finished message block 28,001-29,000.  But I finished 
message block 25,000-26,000.  So my message block is *Bigger.*"

"So it is, so it is."  Avery nodded with approval.

"Well?"  Cindy held out her hand, which shook slightly.  She did not 
meet Avery's penetrating gaze.

"I guess that means you get your own reward as well as Eileen's.  
Here you go.  That's *two* sticks of gum for you, Cindy."

************

Cindy -- sending out an enthusiastic welcome aboard to Marina and 
Kimberly (moongirl) 




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Oct 14 14:05:49 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:05:49 EDT
Subject: Blacklining and glossaries
Message-ID: <14d.15ca7a07.2adc293d@aol.com>

Penny:
> 3.  I note that several of you are using a template with Row #2 left 
> blank.  Just so you know, the sorting function won't work if you 
> skip a row & leave it blank.  That's probably another reason *not* 
> to blackline rows but to delete them instead.   OTOH, perhaps we 
> won't ever need to use the sorting function, and I certainly defer 
> to Dicey on techie matters with Excel.  But, I am a seasoned Excel 
> fan -- so what say you, Dicey?  
> 

I thought we were just blacklining the topics and comments, but leaving in 
the message number. That's what I've been doing.

Cindy:
> We could do a glossary for the FAQs as a whole rather than as a 
> piece of each individual FAQ.  Maybe we should start a database and 
> FAQ writers could add any potentially confusing terms in as they go 
> along?
> 
> Cindy -- who just *loves* databases
> 

Yes, we could, but I still think that from the POV of newbies, particularly 
the technically challenged (she says, with feeling),  it is much more 
user-friendly to have a glossary in the same document that they're reading. 
Speaking as a Luddite to whom it never occured that she could minimise the 
topic terms glossary to have on hand at all times until it was pointed out to 
her.

Eloise

PS  Please don't tell My Avery I'm still in the 300s! I *am* trying. Really!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Oct 14 19:10:26 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:10:26 -0500
Subject: A classic from Finwitch
Message-ID: <024001c273b5$5af02e80$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Should you be in need of a good laugh, here's one of our pre-moderated
status for newbies gems:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/27076

Sigh.

Penny





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct 15 04:00:56 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:00:56 -0000
Subject: Will This Do, Mr. Avery?
In-Reply-To: <aoei5l+ga7n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aog3to+gna0@eGroups.com>

Eileen walks into the dungeons of HPFGU-FAQ, a smile on her face,
cranberry sauce on her lips, and a piece of pumpkin pie in her hand. 

"Avery, I brought you a piece. I really can't eat another. With real
whipping cream. None of that spray-bottle whip topping."

No response. 

Then she hears the sobs. Great racking sobs. 

"Avery, what's happened? Cindy hasn't yelled at you, has she?" says
Eileen as she finds Avery sprawled across his desk, an empty bottle on
the floor surrounded by several cigarette packs. 

"N-n-no," moans Avery. "I-I-I..." 

He can't get the words out.

Eileen suddenly recognizes this variation: FourthManWithRemorse!Avery. 

"You told Cindy off?" asks Eileen increduously. 

Avery nods his head miserably, and pulls another bottle out of the
open drawer of his desk. Eileen gently takes it away from him.

"I go away for one weekend and you undergo stunning personality
changes," she says, shaking her head. "I think it's about time you go
to bed, Aves. I've obviously been working you too hard."

Avery manages a faint smile, and then falls out of the chair. This is
going to be difficult, thinks Eileen, getting him out of here before
the more respectable cataloguers come in to work. 

"George!" she calls. And suddenly, magically, George is here.

"About that date," he begins with a smile. "I didn't mean to stand you
up. Unavoidable circumstances..."

"George, could you get Avery to bed?"

George looks at Avery with dislike. "Classic sycophantism," he says.
"Like Elkins. The Totalitarian personality. Inside each sycophant is
an evil overlord. Or a Head of International Magical Co-operation."

"Yes, George," says Eileen. 

"Right, I'll get him up to bed. As soon as..." George turns to rifle
in Avery's desk. "Gum!"

"Gum! George, I could kiss you!"

"As you wish."

Eileen 

PS. Congratulations on your cataloguing achievement, Cindy, and I hope
to goodness you and Debbie are safe. 

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Cindy drew a ragged breath, her trembling fingers clutching the 
> wobbly door knob.  She tried to turn it slowly, but it spun 
> pointlessly in her sweaty grasp.  
> 
> The door swung open abruptly, stirring the air in the dusty 
> hallway.  Avery stood framed in the doorway of his corner office, 
> his face fixed with a contemptuous sneer.  "What do *you* want?" he 
> demanded.
> 
> "It's my -?" Cindy gulped audibly.  "It's my catalogue.  I'm 
> finished, Sir," she said.
> 
> "Well, what on earth *took* you so long?  Do you think I can wait 
> *forever* for this catalogue?"
> 
> "No, Sir.  No.  I don't think that, Sir.  Not at all, Sir."  Cindy 
> took a step backward, shaking her head vigorously from side to 
> side.  "No, not at all.  I know you mean *business* here, Sir.  So 
> I'll be starting on another message block immediately, if that's all 
> right."
> 
> "Excellent." Avery's scowl turned into an easy smile.  
> 
> "Just  -- just one more question, Mr. . . . uh  -? Mr. Avery -? is 
> it all right if I call you Mr. Avery?" Cindy whispered, wincing.
> 
> "Go on," Avery said impatiently.
> 
> "Eileen.  Eileen finished her message block too, didn't she?"
> 
> "Yes, she did.  And she will be rewarded handsomely for her effort," 
> Avery said.  "What's your point?"
> 
> "Well, Eileen finished message block 28,001-29,000.  But I finished 
> message block 25,000-26,000.  So my message block is *Bigger.*"
> 
> "So it is, so it is."  Avery nodded with approval.
> 
> "Well?"  Cindy held out her hand, which shook slightly.  She did not 
> meet Avery's penetrating gaze.
> 
> "I guess that means you get your own reward as well as Eileen's.  
> Here you go.  That's *two* sticks of gum for you, Cindy."
> 
> ************
> 
> Cindy -- sending out an enthusiastic welcome aboard to Marina and 
> Kimberly (moongirl)




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 15 13:10:38 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:10:38 -0000
Subject: Some Unfortunate Misattribution -- Whoa!
Message-ID: <aoh44e+pfcm@eGroups.com>

OK, so I start my message block, and what do I find in the very 
first message?

***********
"cindysphynx" <cindysphynx at h...> wrote:

I'm really enjoying this nquisition into hagrid's character!

I'd place myself in the pro-Hagrid camp, but am intrigued and 
interested in
the anti-Hagrid arguments, and FWIW see entirely all the points made.

***************

I beg your pardon?  I should *sue* for defamation of character!  

Cindy -- thinking it's going to be a *long* message block this time




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 15 13:25:33 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:25:33 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?
Message-ID: <aoh50d+bv83@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

As you can see, I fiddled with the colors on the FAQ list.  The old 
colors, while pleasant, were almost the same as another 
administrative list we have, and I kept almost posting the wrong 
thing in the wrong place.

Be honest, now.  Do you want me to change it back?  Or try out some 
other set of colors?  I can do a sickening orange color, a desert 
color scheme, etc.  Or I can do a violent Red, White and Blue for 
the patriotic Americans and Brits.  

Or I can make you all hurl by changing to a new color scheme every 
single day.  ;-)

Or I can change it back.  Let me know.

Cindy -- who doesn't think she owns a single piece of clothing that 
is green




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct 15 17:52:39 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:52:39 -0000
Subject: Chapter Summaries?
In-Reply-To: <aodah2+qh67@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aohkl7+o5mr@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Penny Linsenmayer" <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> 
> 3.  I note that several of you are using a template with Row #2 left 
> blank.  Just so you know, the sorting function won't work if you 
> skip a row & leave it blank.  That's probably another reason *not* 
> to blackline rows but to delete them instead.   OTOH, perhaps we 
> won't ever need to use the sorting function, and I certainly defer 
> to Dicey on techie matters with Excel.  But, I am a seasoned Excel 
> fan -- so what say you, Dicey?  
> 
I say that blacking out rows is just a temporary measure while
cataloging to prevent the correlation between message number and row
number from getting messed up.  However, if you do a multiple-line
entry for one message, it gets messed up anyway.  

Whatever the case, before turning in the document as finished, all the
blacked-out rows should be deleted outright.  So it's six of one,
half-dozen of the other as far as that goes.

--Dicey




From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 15 17:57:55 2002
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:57:55 -0000
Subject: creaking back into the swing of things
Message-ID: <aohkv3+a7cg@eGroups.com>

*Squints in the bright light of HPFGU-land, coming back from the dark 
hole of work and obligations that have kept her away for so long.*

*Blink blink*

*Tapping her fingers nervously over the keyboard, feeling like a list 
newbie all over again.*

hi...  <Ahem>  Hi everybody!

I've missed you guys!  I was thrilled to pieces that Cindy gave me an 
excuse to come back and play!  So I just wanted to stop in and say 
hi, and if somebody can give me a little nudge in the right direction 
about message blocks and what they need done to them and such, I'll 
get right on it!  Or, more accurately, I'll get on it Thursday night 
when I have a little time to myself.  I'm shamefully behind (like 
possibly months) on the main list, but hopefully this will help me 
catch up.

Let me know what I can do!
kimberly





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct 15 18:08:53 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:08:53 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?
In-Reply-To: <aoh50d+bv83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aohljm+gc7q@eGroups.com>

Green, Cindy, is a Slytherin colour. Are you pushing a hidden
Slytherin agenda here? (I've been meaning to ask you for months. What
House do you consider yourself in?)

I like it. I think it's nice and minty, like that gum Avery hands out.
Definitely not the Violent Red, White, and Blue for this patriotic
Canadian. 

Hello, Kimberly! Yes, isn't it wonderful to be here? I was missing
everyone's constant posts and was delighted to find that they hadn't
died, but were working at HPFGU-FAQ. Though now the main list has come
back to life again...

Eileen

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> As you can see, I fiddled with the colors on the FAQ list.  The old 
> colors, while pleasant, were almost the same as another 
> administrative list we have, and I kept almost posting the wrong 
> thing in the wrong place.
> 
> Be honest, now.  Do you want me to change it back?  Or try out some 
> other set of colors?  I can do a sickening orange color, a desert 
> color scheme, etc.  Or I can do a violent Red, White and Blue for 
> the patriotic Americans and Brits.  
> 
> Or I can make you all hurl by changing to a new color scheme every 
> single day.  ;-)
> 
> Or I can change it back.  Let me know.
> 
> Cindy -- who doesn't think she owns a single piece of clothing that 
> is green





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 15 19:53:08 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:53:08 -0000
Subject: creaking back into the swing of things
In-Reply-To: <aohkv3+a7cg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aohrn4+cnt0@eGroups.com>

Kimberly:

>So I just wanted to stop in and say 
> hi, and if somebody can give me a little nudge in the right 
>direction about message blocks and what they need done to them and 
>such, I'll get right on it!  Or, more accurately, I'll get on it 
>Thursday night when I have a little time to myself.  I'm shamefully 
>behind (like possibly months) on the main list, but hopefully this 
>will help me  catch up.

Oh, cataloguing will catch you up, all right!  ;-)

Here's a quick orientation.  We're approaching the task of updating 
the FAQs in two stages.  

First, we're creating a massive catalogue of the messages to the main 
list.  We decided to start with Message 25,000 and work forward, 
although we'll try to go back and do the earlier messages as soon as 
we can.  Stage 2 will be the actual writing of new FAQs and updating 
of older ones.

Message 989 is the first message where we FAQers started to get 
ourselves organized for this latest effort, so feel free to read 
those messages.  There's also Message 1218, which lays out guidelines 
for our cataloguing.  We're all working in Excel.  Thankfully, Dicey 
has thoughtfully put together an Excel Help document, which is in the 
files section.

Once you understand Excel, the next task for you is to simply sign up 
for any message block block you want.  There's a database with 
1000-message chunks.  Sign up for anything that's not already taken.  
Be sure to upload your catalogue *frequently* as you work to guard 
against computer crashes -- there's a file where we're keeping copies 
of our work.  Have a look at any of the catalogues as models.

Mmm.  That's all I can think of.  Post your questions here, and we'll 
be happy to help you out.

And thanks for joining up, Kimberly!

Cindy 






From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 21:40:15 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:40:15 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green? and a topic term query
In-Reply-To: <aohljm+gc7q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoi1vv+9l9s@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> Green, Cindy, is a Slytherin colour. Are you pushing a hidden
> Slytherin agenda here? (I've been meaning to ask you for months. 
> What House do you consider yourself in?)

Personally, I think Hufflepuff, though my list persona is probably 
Slytherin. 

I mean, do you think a true GRYFFINDOR would do 
*cataloguing*? 'Harry Potter and the list cataloguers'? Doesn't 
quite zing, really. No Banginess...

Naah. Hufflepuffs, the lot of us. [grin].

> 
 Though now the main list has come
> back to life again...

Yes, indeedy. Hard work, that was [she says modestly]. Just re-
introduce DISHWASHER, and before you know it, the entire list is 
*screaming* at one another.

Of course, I then have to stay up till 2am trying to write crushing 
rejoinders *and* do the cataloguing [grin].

Talking about screaming:

::waves at Marina and Kimberley::

Cindy writes: Or I can do a violent Red, White and Blue for 
> > the patriotic Americans and Brits. 

I'll pass. We have a flag where no-one can ever tell if it's upside 
down or not, I'd probably be trying to stand on my head to read the 
computer screen... 
 
<Snip>
> > 
> > Or I can change it back.  Let me know.

Mint green is nice. Soothing. Good to look at when you've promised 
yourself you'll stop at the next post and then discover that it's 
one of Catlady's :-(

[Somehow this happens to me two times out of three].

Moving back to matters of mere cataloguing importance, do we have a 
ruling on the Topic Term for Neville's Gran? Neville's mum is Mrs 
Longbottom, you see. Is she Neville's Gran, or Granny Longbottom? 
Has there been a decision I haven't downloaded?

Pip
(who has only reached halfway point on her block. Beaten by Cindy, 
huh! Oh, well, I suppose I'll just have to save that post where 
Cindy apologises to the mods for another time...)




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct 15 21:54:12 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:54:12 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Once Again
Message-ID: <aoi2q4+7gvc@eGroups.com>

Having posted my massive Crouch Sr. apologetics to the list, I suppose
I should get down to cataloguing again.

Message 33006

"I was just thinking about how the names of the characters could be
involved in the plot. Well if you say Hermione quickly, you get
Her-Money. Who needs money ... Ron. I know it is completely random
and silly but it is also quite interesting.

Lawrence"

Priceless, eh?

Is this going to be under the shipping FAQ? ;-)

Pip says:
>Moving back to matters of mere cataloguing importance, do we have 
>a ruling on the Topic Term for Neville's Gran? Neville's mum is Mrs
>Longbottom, you see. Is she Neville's Gran, or Granny Longbottom?
>Has there been a decision I haven't downloaded?

I don't think there's been a decision but wouldn't "Gran" be best?
That's how Neville refers to her and that's how she's often referred
to on the list. 

>Yes, indeedy. Hard work, that was [she says modestly]. Just re-
>introduce DISHWASHER, and before you know it, the entire list is
>*screaming* at one another.

Ay, that we were. And being labelled as "twee." :-) I hope you enjoy
it as much as I do. 

Eileen, who insists on being a Gryffindor even if she does have to
catalogue all these posts




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 15 22:08:54 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:08:54 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Once Again
In-Reply-To: <aoi2q4+7gvc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoi3lm+ia8r@eGroups.com>

 
> >Yes, indeedy. Hard work, that was [she says modestly]. Just re-
> >introduce DISHWASHER, and before you know it, the entire list is
> >*screaming* at one another.
> 
> Ay, that we were. And being labelled as "twee." :-) I hope you 
>enjoy it as much as I do. 

I'm still perplexed how I can be simultaneously 'twee' 
and 'disturbing'; but never mind - I just got to tell Richard he's 
wrongly attributed Dumbledore's dialogue to Fudge...


> 
> Eileen, who insists on being a Gryffindor even if she does have to
> catalogue all these posts.

You catalogue them bravely?

Pip

'Gran' sounds good to me, btw.




From psychic_serpent at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 15 23:08:42 2002
From: psychic_serpent at yahoo.com (psychic_serpent)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:08:42 -0000
Subject: Wizarding World Terminology
Message-ID: <aoi75q+452h@eGroups.com>

I'm supposed to be coding the Dursley family FAQ, but it seems to me 
that there is a problem here.  There is a question asked in this 
file which is not answered:

--------------------------------------------

Is Petunia a Squib or a Witch? It is quite clear from the outburst 
in PS that Petunia feels very angry about the wizarding world. This 
has led some members of the group to put forward the conjecture that 
she is either a squib or a witch hiding her powers. Is she upset 
that Lily was the better at magic and got a place at Hogwarts when 
she did not? 

--------------------------------------------

There is a mention further along of a theory about Lily, Petunia and 
Narcissa being related, and group messages related to this theory, 
but inasmuch as the definition of a Squib is someone born into a 
magical family, which it seems (we could link to debates about that, 
perhaps) Lily and Petunia were not, it seems that this would have 
been a useful place to put a link to a post discussing something 
along the lines of "What is a Squib?"  Barring that, a link to a 
section of the FAQ containing Wizarding World Terminology (Squib, 
Muggle, Mudblood, Portkey, monetary terms, splinched, Floo, etc.) 
would have been useful, with passages from the books cited for the 
definitions.  However, I was unable to find such a listing in the 
FAQ.  There doesn't seem to be an existing section dedicated to such 
terminology and no plans for creating a glossary of this sort.  Can 
someone enlighten me about this wee gap in the FAQ?

--Barb





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 00:48:54 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:48:54 -0000
Subject: Wizarding World Terminology
In-Reply-To: <aoi75q+452h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoid1m+2v4v@eGroups.com>

Barb wrote:

>There is a question asked in this 
> file which is not answered:
> 


The Mysteries FAQ contains the following:

1. What happened to all Harry's family save the Dursleys? Was Lily 
(Evans) Potter in fact muggle-born, or was Petunia a squib in a 
wizarding family? 

It seems a bit odd that none of his grandparents or other aunts and 
uncles are alive. Are the Dursleys truly the only living family 
members Harry has? Did Lily and Petunia have any other siblings? Was 
Lily older or younger than Petunia? Were any of his family members 
victims of Lord Voldemort or the Death Eaters?

Yahoo Club Messages: 2,215
Yahoogroups Messages: 6228, 17,002, 22,835, 32,087, 32,101, 32,887 

Do you think we can get away with a cross-reference to the Mysteries 
FAQ?  Or maybe some of these message numbers provide a good 
discussion?

Cindy -- hoping she understood the issue





From porphyria at mindspring.com  Wed Oct 16 01:27:58 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:27:58 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Is Anyone Allergic To Green? and a topic term query
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1034731678.0.17290200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Pip wrote, on house affiliation of the FAQers:

> Personally, I think Hufflepuff, though my list
> persona is probably Slytherin. 
> 
> I mean, do you think a true GRYFFINDOR would do
> *cataloguing*? 'Harry Potter and the list
> cataloguers'? Doesn't 
> quite zing, really. No Banginess...
> 
> Naah. Hufflepuffs, the lot of us. [grin].

If you're indifferent to the work, you're a dutiful Hufflepuff. If you get a
weird sense of satisfaction out of it, you're a Ravenclaw. 

In any case, I hope the Slytherin shade isn't *mint* green! 

Cindy, you should change the colors every month according to the holiday in
question. I'd do an orange motif this month, then change to brown for
November, red and green (or blue and silver) for December, etc. Ah, aren't you
all glad I haven't got the privileges for this...

~P.

p.s. As we were speaking of the list, great post today, Eileen! I'm glad you
liked that image. :-)



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 10:31:34 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:31:34 -0400
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
References: <Springmail.0994.1034731678.0.17290200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005201c274ff$334c0de0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Hi all --

I love the green, Slytherin or not.  Like Cindy, I have way too many lists, but Slytherin colors just aren't popular.  As for my house, I've pondered Porphyria's rule of thumb:
  If you're indifferent to the work, you're a dutiful Hufflepuff. If you get a
  weird sense of satisfaction out of it, you're a Ravenclaw.

Yup.  Thought so.  I'm a Ravenclaw, through and through. My motto is "Make it useful, or die trying."  But then, I once did this for a living. 

And a word regarding Dicey's admonition that our final catalogues should be sans black paint.  If you're blacking out, I'd advise you to switch tactics right away and not wait till you're done.  I just spent an amount of time equivalent to what it takes to catalogue 100 posts deleting all my blacked out lines (just my luck that I'd blacked out every other post).

Debbie


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Oct 16 13:23:47 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:23:47 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
Message-ID: <90.2d7749a0.2adec263@aol.com>

Debbie:
>  love the green, Slytherin or not.  Like Cindy, I have way too many lists, 
> but Slytherin colors just aren't popular.


Hey, what is all this Green= Slytherin stuff anyway?
Yeah, yeah, I know it's symbolism, but I mean, so what? Are we being Housist 
now?
Are we falling into that trap that JKR's so cleverly laid for us? 
And what about poor Avery? Doesn't he have enough problems already?

  As for my house, I've pondered Porphyria's rule of thumb:> 
>   If you're indifferent to the work, you're a dutiful Hufflepuff. If you 
> get a
>   weird sense of satisfaction out of it, you're a Ravenclaw.
> 
> Yup.  Thought so.  I'm a Ravenclaw, through and through. My motto is "Make 
> it useful, or die trying."  But then, I once did this for a living. 

I on the other hand, feel like Harry, 'not brave, or quick witted or any of 
it at the moment. If only the hat had mentioned a house for those who felt a 
bit confused, that would have been the one for her.'

OTOH, perhaps Cindy will jerk the hat off my head, say there's been a mistake 
and that I'd better get back to the main list, where I belong!

> 
> And a word regarding Dicey's admonition that our final catalogues should be 
> sans black paint.  If you're blacking out, I'd advise you to switch tactics 
> right away and not wait till you're done.  I just spent an amount of time 
> equivalent to what it takes to catalogue 100 posts deleting all my blacked 
> out lines (just my luck that I'd blacked out every other post).
> 

<logs into FAQ list to check something>

Cindy - you've been listening to Porphyria!
A nice seasonal orange, I see! (actually, I don't find this very easy to work 
with!)

As I was about to say, before the wind was taken out of my sails by the 
colour change, re blacking out of lines, I am now thoroughly confused.

As I said before, I was blacking out only the topic and comments columns, 
leaving the message numbers and row numbers intact.
I see Dicey has painted out the whole row, including row number and Cindy has 
simply omitted posts which didn't make the cut.

Now....., if it is important to keep the sequence of row numbers with no 
gaps, how do I get rid of my black-lined rows? (And why do we need to, just 
out of interest? Won't the sort function work just the same even if we don't? 
If the row numbers aren't blacked out, that is.)
Ah... I just click on row number and then on,  'insert - delete row', do I? 
Is this really necessary? I'm not a Hufflepuff, you know and deleting rows 
doesn't give me any weird Ravenclaw satisfaction, either. Well, not much. 

BTW, if as Elkins explained, we're blacklining so that in the event of being 
hit by a truck, you can find out from our nearest and dearest how far we're 
up to, I think I should warn you that you haven't  hope at this end! My best 
beloved never even reads his own e-mail and would never think of 
investigating what some strange person called Eloise Herisson had been up to!

Eloise
Wearing a green T-shirt (which brings out the colour of her eyes. OK, look, 
it's *sage* green) and mildly allergic to orange, except in the natural 
world.

And avoiding trucks.









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From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Oct 16 15:15:03 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:15:03 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
In-Reply-To: <90.2d7749a0.2adec263@aol.com>
Message-ID: <aojvpo+r1qd@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
 
> > And a word regarding Dicey's admonition that our final catalogues
should be 
> > sans black paint.  If you're blacking out, I'd advise you to
switch tactics 
> > right away and not wait till you're done.  I just spent an amount
of time 
> > equivalent to what it takes to catalogue 100 posts deleting all my
blacked 
> > out lines (just my luck that I'd blacked out every other post).
> > 

> As I said before, I was blacking out only the topic and comments
columns, 
> leaving the message numbers and row numbers intact.
> I see Dicey has painted out the whole row, including row number and
Cindy has 
> simply omitted posts which didn't make the cut.
> 
> Now....., if it is important to keep the sequence of row numbers
with no 
> gaps, how do I get rid of my black-lined rows? (And why do we need
to, just 
> out of interest? Won't the sort function work just the same even if
we don't? 
> If the row numbers aren't blacked out, that is.)
> Ah... I just click on row number and then on,  'insert - delete
row', do I? 
> Is this really necessary? I'm not a Hufflepuff, you know and
deleting rows 
> doesn't give me any weird Ravenclaw satisfaction, either. Well, not
much. 
> 
> BTW, if as Elkins explained, we're blacklining so that in the event
of being 
> hit by a truck, you can find out from our nearest and dearest how
far we're 
> up to, I think I should warn you that you haven't  hope at this end!
My best 
> beloved never even reads his own e-mail and would never think of 
> investigating what some strange person called Eloise Herisson had
been up to!
> 
AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!  I don't care what you do with the non-cataloged
messages! Color them black, color them green, color them orange and
green, paint the whole row paint only a few columns, delete them
outright. I DON'T CARE!!!  Just do what makes sense to you!!!

--Dicey, who has far more cataloged than non-cataloged messages and
who is sorry she suggested blacking things out in the first place, it
being only a whim of hers anyway and who notes that you can select
multiple, non-contiguous rows by holding down the CTRL key and
clicking the rows, which should shorten the deletion process considerably.








From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 16:56:33 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:56:33 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
In-Reply-To: <aojvpo+r1qd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aok5o1+h50l@eGroups.com>

Dicey cried:

> AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!  I don't care what you do with the non-
>cataloged  messages! 

Hey, speak for yourself!  I care!  I care immensely!  Here's what 
I'd like to see:

Eileen -- color deleted rows mint green
Porphyria -- color deleted rows orange
Elkins -- fill each deleted row with a subversive canon theory
Penny -- fill each deleted row with the word "Elizabeth"
Eloise -- fill each deleted row with the word "maths"
Debbie -- fill each deleted row with a cite from the U.S. Tax Code 
Kimberly -- fill each deleted row with the name of an ice dancer
Pip -- fill each deleted row with the name of a kitchen appliance
Amy -- fill each deleted row with a verse of scripture

Thoughts?  Comments?  Suggestions?

Cindy -- who will just deleted her deleted rows, thank-you-very-much




From skelkins at attbi.com  Wed Oct 16 17:22:26 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:22:26 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE? 
In-Reply-To: <aocpss+r2ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aok78i+atji@eGroups.com>

AAARRGH!

Cindy, you do realize that orange and blue -- and in fact precisely 
these same *shades* of orange and blue -- were my high school's 
::violent shudder:: school colors?

You and the autumnal weather have now conspired to trigger in me 
intense and most unpleasant flashbacks of homecoming weeks past: pep 
rallies, cheerleaders.  ::even more violent shudder:: *Pom-poms.*

Not to mention of myself, stalking the corridors dressed all in white 
and red -- our rival school's colors -- and smirking unpleasantly at 
anyone who dared point this out to me.  Oh, yes.  I was quite the 
pretentious little toad in high school.

On the lighter side, however, my school's football team was, due to a 
sense of regional pride divorced from any conception of either real 
history or plain old *propriety,* actually named "the Quakers."  This 
meant that every year, we were treated to the spectacle of people 
chanting "Go, Quakers, go!  Fight, Quakers, fight!"  This pleased me 
no end, as it gave me nearly unlimited scope for pointed 
commentary.  ;-)


Welcome to Marina and Kimberly, and welcome back to Barb!  As you can 
see, the cataloguing process has rendered us all a bit slap-happy 
here.  Don't let it scare you too much.

The SnapeFAQ looks *great!*  I'm really psyched about it.  When I 
first joined this list, I actually went looking for the SnapeFAQ.  
What you guys have put together here is *precisely* the sort of thing 
that I had been hoping to find.

As for jargon -- "Prank," "DADA," etc. -- I tend to think that the 
meaning of most of these terms could be deduced from context without 
all that much difficulty.  But I suppose that a bit of explanation 
wouldn't hurt either.  I do think, though, that referring the reader 
from the FAQ itself (er, the FPAWTFT, I mean) to yet *another* FAQ -- 
a kind of FAQ for the FAQs -- might be just a tad overwhelming for a 
newcomer.


My, that Finwitch classic was quite the doozy, wasn't it?  It sent me 
scurrying back to the text, trying to find *anything* in there which 
so much as hinted at Hermione's state of, er, development.  Even 
pretending that I was reading the books in translation, I still 
couldn't seem to find anything.  Maybe the translator was feeling 
bored and a mite bit impish that day?


Elkins

(who thinks that CARPing oneself as Voldemort and threatening a 
fellow listmember with Cruciatus might indeed qualify as "both twee 
and disturbing," but who can't honestly see how Radio TBAY managed to 
be so perceived.  Then, she also noticed that Richard somehow managed 
to misread half of the canon analysis as *sarcasm,* thus missing the 
point of the entire argument.  So.  There you go.)





From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Oct 16 18:44:18 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:44:18 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
In-Reply-To: <aok78i+atji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aokc22+bdsd@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "ssk7882" <skelkins at a...> wrote:
> Cindy, you do realize that orange and blue -- and in fact precisely 
> these same *shades* of orange and blue -- were my high school's 
> ::violent shudder:: school colors?

My high-school colors were orange and black.  Maybe I'll have to
change the default link colors in my browser.

Go ahead and keep changing the FAQ list colors.  It's exactly what I
would do, despite protests and pleadings to the contrary.

--Dicey, who used to add food coloring to the family's milk jug
whenever the mood struck her






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 16 21:58:23 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:58:23 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
In-Reply-To: <aok78i+atji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aokndv+depn@eGroups.com>

Elkins confided:

 
> On the lighter side, however, my school's football team was, due 
>to a sense of regional pride divorced from any conception of either 
>real history or plain old *propriety,* actually named "the 
>Quakers."  This meant that every year, we were treated to the 
>spectacle of people chanting "Go, Quakers, go!  Fight, Quakers, 
>fight!"  


Oh, you should have attended Marcos de Niza public high school in 
suburban Phoenix, then.  We were the *Padres.*  Uh, huh.  Our mascot 
was a smiling fat friar wearing brown robes.  Our colors were brown 
and yellow.  (Now, that is just butt ugly, isn't it?)  So sporting 
events at rival schools featured slogans like "Kill the 
Padres!!!!!!!!"  That just seemed *wrong,* somehow.  ;-)

We had snazzy band uniforms, though.  They were all brown, with a 
shiny gold cape!  Yeah, shiny band capes were prized among dorky 
marching band geek types.  And we had tall furry hats, not those low-
profile cloth ones a lot of bands use.  And we had matte white 
shoes, and we were expected to keep the grass stains off the white 
shoes.

Cindy -- who was a clarinet marching band squad leader and so had 
responsibility for making sure three other people walked a straight 
line at parades, and who has a certain high school homecoming 
picture in the yearbook that provoked *screams* of laughter during 
the slide show at her 20-year high school reunion not long ago




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct 16 22:12:06 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:12:06 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
In-Reply-To: <aok78i+atji@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoko7m+ft9k@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "ssk7882" <skelkins at a...> wrote:
> AAARRGH!
> 
> Cindy, you do realize that orange and blue -- and in fact 
precisely 
> these same *shades* of orange and blue -- were my high school's 
> ::violent shudder:: school colors?

School colours??? I thought most North American schools didn't have 
uniforms unless they're those strange military schools. Or are they 
flags, or something?
> 
> You and the autumnal weather have now conspired to trigger in me 
> intense and most unpleasant flashbacks of homecoming weeks past: 
> pep rallies, cheerleaders.  ::even more violent shudder:: *Pom-
poms.*

Pep rallies, cheerleaders, pom-poms I get, having done some Buffy-
watching in my time - but what is homecoming week please? The phrase 
brings to mind some giant re-union of all who formerly attended the 
school...
> 
> Not to mention of myself, stalking the corridors dressed all in 
white 
> and red -- our rival school's colors -- and smirking unpleasantly 
at 
> anyone who dared point this out to me.  Oh, yes.  I was quite the 
> pretentious little toad in high school.
> 
> On the lighter side, however, my school's football team was, due 
to a 
> sense of regional pride divorced from any conception of either 
real 
> history or plain old *propriety,* actually named "the Quakers."  
This 
> meant that every year, we were treated to the spectacle of people 
> chanting "Go, Quakers, go!  Fight, Quakers, fight!"  This pleased 
me 
> no end, as it gave me nearly unlimited scope for pointed 
> commentary.  ;-)

[Vague visions of Elkins also throwing breakfast cereal onto the 
pitch spring to Pip's mind]
> 
> 
> Welcome to Marina and Kimberly, and welcome back to Barb!  As you 
can 
> see, the cataloguing process has rendered us all a bit slap-happy 
> here.  Don't let it scare you too much.
> 
> The SnapeFAQ looks *great!*  I'm really psyched about it.  When I 
> first joined this list, I actually went looking for the SnapeFAQ.  
> What you guys have put together here is *precisely* the sort of 
thing 
> that I had been hoping to find.

Yes! Yes! Sorry, I hadn't mentioned that I think the Snape FAQ is 
great, have I. It is. It would have answered all my questions as a 
newbie. Of course, that was back when I thought Dumbledore never 
lied...

<Snip>
> 
> 
> My, that Finwitch classic was quite the doozy, wasn't it?  It sent 
me 
> scurrying back to the text, trying to find *anything* in there 
which 
> so much as hinted at Hermione's state of, er, development.  Even 
> pretending that I was reading the books in translation, I still 
> couldn't seem to find anything.  Maybe the translator was feeling 
> bored and a mite bit impish that day?

Perhaps that particular book cover had an, err, *interesting* 
interpretation of the Trio by the artist? I mean, an illustration of 
the scene where Harry rescues Ron and Hermione from the lake could 
be good. Wet, clingy shirts...

[Well, it worked for Colin Firth in the BBC Adaptation of Pride and 
Prejudice :-) ]
> 
> 
> Elkins
> 
> (who thinks that CARPing oneself as Voldemort and threatening a 
> fellow listmember with Cruciatus might indeed qualify as "both  
>twee and disturbing," but who can't honestly see how Radio TBAY 
>managed to  be so perceived.  Then, she also noticed that Richard  
> somehow managed to misread half of the canon analysis as 
*sarcasm,* thus missing  
>the point of the entire argument.  So.  There you go.)

Oh, he did better than that tonight. Tonight he pointed out that I 
make great play of the avoidance of the word 'rat' by Snape and 
Dumbledore in The Kitchen Appliance That Should Not Be Mentioned, 
and how did I explain that Snape actually uses the word 'rat' in the 
Infirmary, huh, get out of that one, willya...

I haven't bothered replying to him yet. In fact, I may start 
ignoring him completely. I just can't be arsed to point out that I 
deal with that point about two lines further down the same post 
where I make great play of the avoidance of the word 'rat'...


Anyway, I have loaded some more categories into the database, 
including sexuality [Characters, gay, straight or just into 
snakes?]. Don't ask. Surprisingly, it was quite a boring thread :-(

Pip 





From porphyria at mindspring.com  Wed Oct 16 22:48:34 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:48:34 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] SnapeFAQ, and team colors
In-Reply-To: <aoko7m+ft9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <66E0DD5A-E159-11D6-9D3C-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Pip wrote:

> School colours??? I thought most North American schools didn't have
> uniforms unless they're those strange military schools. Or are they
> flags, or something?

Typically they are the colors that the sports teams wear which distinguish 
them from other schools at meets, as well as the colors for the 
cheerleaders uniforms, banners, school crest, yearbook cover, and any 
t-shirts, sweatshirts and pencil cups that the school store can market. 
Also public schools might still have gym uniforms even if they don't have 
regular uniforms, and those come in school colors.

> Pep rallies, cheerleaders, pom-poms I get, having done some Buffy-
> watching in my time - but what is homecoming week please? The phrase
> brings to mind some giant re-union of all who formerly attended the
> school...

Right in one. :-) They are popular Alumni events, usually coordinated 
around the time of the big football game in the fall.

My college's 'mascot' was a Colonial lord, which kind of makes me laugh 
given that there is a lot of controversy in the US now over sports teams 
that are named after Native Americans, like the Atlanta Braves. Every time 
I think of the Lord Jeffs from my alma mater I think "how degrading to 
dead white aristocrats!" ;-) And yes, the games always had a student 
dressed in a tricorn and breeches with a cowbell rousing up support for 
our team. At least that took the place of cheerleaders, of which we had 
none. Of course we did have the worst college football team in the United 
States...

One of the colleges near my home was Holy Cross. I've never attended one 
of their sporting events, but I always did wonder if their opponents 
scream "desecrate the Holy Cross!" at the games.

> Yes! Yes! Sorry, I hadn't mentioned that I think the Snape FAQ is
> great, have I. It is. It would have answered all my questions as a
> newbie. Of course, that was back when I thought Dumbledore never
> lied...

I'm glad you like it. Although I don't believe it states anywhere in the 
FAQ that Dumbledore never lies; the FAQ, at least, leaves that to the 
reader's interpretation. :-) And heck, we even do make reference to MD 
even though I never thought of it as a SnapeTheory per se.

Did you only get the idea for MD after you joined the group? I figured you'
d been percolating that one for ages, given how detailed it is.

Yours in idiosyncratic color schemes,
~Porphyria



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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Oct 16 22:54:32 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:54:32 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
Message-ID: <50.13765faa.2adf4828@aol.com>

In a message dated 16/10/2002 23:14:57 GMT Standard Time, 
pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk writes:


> Pep rallies, cheerleaders, pom-poms I get, having done some Buffy-
> watching in my time - but what is homecoming week please? The phrase 
> brings to mind some giant re-union of all who formerly attended the 
> school...

You're too young to remember The Monkees, then? (Although, come to think of 
it, I never really *was* sure what a Homecoming Queen was. I think I always 
envisaged something like a May Queen, which I'm sure can't be right.)
I had a best friend at school who was obsessed, so they actually percolated 
my consciousness, unlike most other teen culture. 
I was too busy playing my clarinet, although simultaneously marching, let 
alone keeping any other clarinettists in line would have been too much, I 
think! Fortunately we're not called on to do that sort of thing much over 
here.
And, FWIW, at the time, my uniform was *green*. Totally green, from the felt 
hat to the knickers.

BTW, Eileen, what's Canadian Thanksgiving? 
I was a little disconcerted to find a display of photos of our school Harvest 
Festival labelled, 'Thanksgiving'!! It was done by a mum, so I don't think 
the staff have liked to correct it!

> <>
> Perhaps that particular book cover had an, err, *interesting* 
> interpretation of the Trio by the artist? I mean, an illustration of 
> the scene where Harry rescues Ron and Hermione from the lake could 
> be good. Wet, clingy shirts...
> 
> [Well, it worked for Colin Firth in the BBC Adaptation of Pride and 
> Prejudice :-) ]


Apparently this hasn't made it to the US, or so I've been informed.
I used it as a Snape image once and I don't think anyone got it.

I must have typed in the wrong message number because I didn't get anything 
at all interesting. What was it, again?

> > 
> > 
> > Elkins
> > 
> > (who thinks that CARPing oneself as Voldemort and threatening a 
> > fellow listmember with Cruciatus might indeed qualify as "both  
> >twee and disturbing," but who can't honestly see how Radio TBAY 
> >managed to  be so perceived. 

Ah ha! Well, he CARPed himself as Hannibal Lecter and offered me Chianti!
Hoist by his own petard, methinks!

I'm just *dying* to TBAY him, though! 

Eloise

 > 
> 



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From kippesp at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 16 23:20:51 2002
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (Paul Kippes)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
In-Reply-To: <aokc22+bdsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021016232051.67322.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>

Orange & black were my HS colors as well.  Very Halloweenish.  Gotta
love that!

--- dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "ssk7882" <skelkins at a...> wrote:
> > Cindy, you do realize that orange and blue -- and in fact
> precisely 
> > these same *shades* of orange and blue -- were my high school's 
> > ::violent shudder:: school colors?
> 
> My high-school colors were orange and black.  Maybe I'll have to
> change the default link colors in my browser.
> 
> Go ahead and keep changing the FAQ list colors.  It's exactly what
> I
> would do, despite protests and pleadings to the contrary.
> 
> --Dicey, who used to add food coloring to the family's milk jug
> whenever the mood struck her
> 
> 
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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Oct 17 00:16:05 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:16:05 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ, Jargon, Welcomes, and ORANGE?
In-Reply-To: <50.13765faa.2adf4828@aol.com>
Message-ID: <aokvg5+39q0@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> BTW, Eileen, what's Canadian Thanksgiving?

It's American Thanksgiving a month earlier. A compromise between our
British and (largely unacknowledged) American roots.

Pip wrote:
> > <>
> > Perhaps that particular book cover had an, err, *interesting* 
> > interpretation of the Trio by the artist? I mean, an illustration of 
> > the scene where Harry rescues Ron and Hermione from the lake could 
> > be good. Wet, clingy shirts...
> > 
> > [Well, it worked for Colin Firth in the BBC Adaptation of Pride and 
> > Prejudice :-) ]
> 
> 
> Apparently this hasn't made it to the US, or so I've been informed.
> I used it as a Snape image once and I don't think anyone got it.

It most definitely has made it to the U.S. Don't know an American my
age that hasn't seen it. And everyone in Canada as well. I got it, for
one. :-)

Eileen




From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 02:41:35 2002
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:41:35 -0000
Subject: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
In-Reply-To: <aok5o1+h50l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aol80v+l4ek@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hey, speak for yourself!  I care!  I care immensely!  Here's what 
> I'd like to see:
> 
> Eileen -- color deleted rows mint green
> Porphyria -- color deleted rows orange
> Elkins -- fill each deleted row with a subversive canon theory
> Penny -- fill each deleted row with the word "Elizabeth"
> Eloise -- fill each deleted row with the word "maths"
> Debbie -- fill each deleted row with a cite from the U.S. Tax Code 
> Kimberly -- fill each deleted row with the name of an ice dancer
> Pip -- fill each deleted row with the name of a kitchen appliance
> Amy -- fill each deleted row with a verse of scripture

No fair!  There are WAY fewer ice dancers than subversive canon 
theories!  Not to *mention* lines in the Tax Code...

Oh well, since I've yet to see what you're talking about, I won't 
worry about it yet!  

Thanks for the welcome, Elkins, I'm excited to be around again, you 
can't scare me off yet!

And just for the heck of it, let me add to the silly names for 
highschool sports teams game.  We were the Pioneers.  The mascott 
looked like a cross between Daniel Boone, Abe Lincoln and our 
Principal.  Our rival school was the Statesmen - that's almost as 
tough as the Quakers!

kimberly

PS - Cindy, I like the orange - it's nice and sherbert-y!  Dreamsicle 
list!




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Oct 17 03:46:34 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:46:34 -0400
Subject: Replacing Paint, Snape FAQ,
 Disinterested Husbands and Cataloguing (remember cataloguing?)
References: <aok5o1+h50l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009901c2758f$ca209020$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Responding to Cindy's new team instructions:

Here's what 
I'd like to see:

[snip]
Debbie -- fill each deleted row with a cite from the U.S. Tax Code 
[snip]

Thoughts?  Comments?  Suggestions?

Me:

I'll get started on that right away!  But, you know, it would be more useful if I could associate each section reference with a canon character.  For example:

Post       29878
Topic1    Harry
Topic2    Section 4271
Topic3    Air Cargo Excise Tax
Expl       Carried wand during Quidditch match in PoA 

Too dull?  How about:

Post        29900
Topic1     Bagman
Topic2     Section 165(d)
Topic3     Gambling Losses
Expl        No deduction, but you still pay tax on your net winnings!

Post        29911
Topic1     [Lucius] Malfoy
Topic2     Section 6111(c) and (d)
Topic3     Abusive Tax Shelters
Expl        The Riddle House

Post        29975
Topic1     Mrs. Longbottom
Topic2     Section 6013
Topic3     Innocent Spouse Relief
Expl        You don't think *she* knew anything, did you? 

Well, tax humor is pretty pathetic. But at least I have *lots* of material to work from!

Eloise on disinterested hubbies:

BTW, if as Elkins explained, we're blacklining so that in the event of being 
hit by a truck, you can find out from our nearest and dearest how far we're 
up to, I think I should warn you that you haven't  hope at this end! My best 
beloved never even reads his own e-mail and would never think of 
investigating what some strange person called Eloise Herisson had been up to!

You know, in light of all these sniper attacks [pause to gratefully acknowledge everyone's kind concern for Cindy's and my safety], I finally confessed to hubby that I'd taken on this task on top of everything else so he'd include the catalogue in my personal effects, and he wasn't the slightest bit interested.  But I already knew what to expect.  Once, I redirected my HPfGU e-mails to his account for several days and he didn't read a single one!  Though he did keep asking me why Ron the seer needed glasses. <g>  

Perhaps I'll make him read the Snape FAQ (he *is* interested in Snape) and that will motivate him.  Because the FAQ is truly excellent, right down to the ever so appropriate grey coloring.

Dare I ask another cataloguing question?  In my catalogue, I've been forced to change DEs to DE because my programs insist on overriding DEs to Des, which reminds me of an old harmful drug they used to give to pregnant women.  I've been working on the assumption that this can be cleaned up later by whatever poor soul actually looks at everyone's catalogues.  Or, is there a Very Easy Solution that I've missed (says she who hand-deleted about 300 blacked out spaces)?

Debbie
who will spare everyone discussion of her schools' colors and offensive Native American mascot, since she's 100 posts behind on the main list and had no idea Richard was slandering TBAY


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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 10:58:12 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tax humor
In-Reply-To: <009901c2758f$ca209020$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20021017105812.72082.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>

Debbie wrote:

> Post        29911
> Topic1     [Lucius] Malfoy
> Topic2     Section 6111(c) and (d)
> Topic3     Abusive Tax Shelters
> Expl        The Riddle House

Hey!  Have we ever discussed this topic onlist?  Who
*does* own the Riddle House?

I think it's the Potters, truth be told.  Wouldn't
that be a delicious irony?

Amy
whose idea of tax humor is "Honey, tomorrow's
September 15th.  Do we have $1400 in the bank to pay
my taxes?"  Meets with hysterical laughter every time.

=====
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fly down the wind, and we are pleased
to walk on radiance, amazed.
O light come down to earth, be praised.
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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Oct 17 11:31:01 2002
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:31:01 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Tax humor
References: <20021017105812.72082.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c275d0$abfe1cc0$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>


Debbie wrote:

> Post        29911
> Topic1     [Lucius] Malfoy
> Topic2     Section 6111(c) and (d)
> Topic3     Abusive Tax Shelters
> Expl        The Riddle House

And Amy asked:

Hey!  Have we ever discussed this topic onlist?  Who
*does* own the Riddle House?

I think it's the Potters, truth be told.  Wouldn't
that be a delicious irony?

Me:

Well, I must admit that Lucius owning the Riddle house is *my* interpretation of canon, but it's an instinctive one, dating from my very first reading of the chapter.  I did post it to the list some time ago, and I've seen others make that assertion as well.  It tends not to provoke a big response.  Personally, I think the Potters' real estate was all in Godric's Hollow and that Voldemort told Lucius to buy the Riddle house for him.

In any event, I'm sure we could find plenty of other provisions in the tax code that might apply to Lucius. 

Debbie


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From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct 17 13:22:33 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:22:33 -0000
Subject: Replacing Paint, Snape FAQ, Disinterested Husbands and Cataloguing (remember
In-Reply-To: <009901c2758f$ca209020$3a3b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <aomdip+v5b@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., elfundeb <elfundeb at c...> wrote:

> Dare I ask another cataloguing question?  In my catalogue, I've been 
> forced to change DEs to DE because my programs insist on overriding DEs 
> to Des

>From the Main Menu, select Tools | Autocorrect...

Deselect the first box (and any others you'd like) to prevent Excel
from "correcting" DEs.

The other option is to go back after Excel has made the "correction,"
highlight the "e," and change it to an "E."

--Dicey, who hates M$'s default settings with a passion




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct 17 13:41:17 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:41:17 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  Houses? and Black Paint
Message-ID: <187.f8ebc51.2ae017fd@aol.com>

Eloise pops into the office to pick up instructions, only to find Dicey, an 
e-mail in her hand and despair written on her face,

> AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!  I don't care what you do with the non-cataloged
> messages! Color them black, color them green, color them orange and
> green, paint the whole row paint only a few columns, delete them
> outright. I DON'T CARE!!!  Just do what makes sense to you!!!
> 

Err...Dicey?....Look, I'm really, really sorry about this but that's kind of 
the point.
I know what makes sense to *me*, but since I'm not actually in Excel and have 
never used it (and anyway, even in MS Works, I only understand how to put 
data *in*, not how to play with the results), I can't be sure that I what 
makes sense to me is the right thing. I just need a straight answer. From 
someone clever....and understanding.... and patient... and sympathetic to the 
technically challenged and generally wonderful.....and...and...Do you know, 
we had to write an essay at Canon College about our hero, Dicey, and *I* 
wrote about *you*?

See, we've been told that we have to delete the blacked-out rows before 
submitting the final document.

Debbie says that if I black out lines it's going to take ages to delete them.
I tried that holding Ctrl trick, but I don't seem to be able to select 
multiple rows. 

Can't I just leave the blacked-out rows in the final document, as long as the 
row numbers remain in an unbroken sequence, as they do in mine?
That's all I want to know.

I know this sounds really stupid, but hey, what's new?

Eloise
About to refer to herself as a Luddite, but recalling that the *real* 
Luddites actually *objected* to new technology and went round smashing it up, 
rather than struugling to come to terms with it.




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From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Oct 17 14:26:03 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:26:03 -0000
Subject: Black Paint
In-Reply-To: <187.f8ebc51.2ae017fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <aomh9r+9oc9@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
Eloise pops into the office to pick up instructions, only to find
Dicey, an e-mail in her hand and despair written on her face,
 
Dicey:
AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!  I don't care what you do with the non-cataloged
messages! Just do what makes sense to you!!! 
> 
Eloise:
Err...Dicey?....Look, I'm really, really sorry about this but that's
kind of the point. I know what makes sense to *me*, but since I'm not
actually in Excel and have never used it (and anyway, even in MS
Works, I only understand how to put data *in*, not how to play with
the results), I can't be sure that I what makes sense to me is the
right thing. 

Dicey:
OK.  I just pulled your .xlr document into Excel and noticed that the
uncataloged messages sometimes have the message number and sometimes
don't.  If you leave out the message number from the uncatalogued
rows, it will make it easier to delete the rows. (It can be done in
one fell swoop.)  But even if the message numbers are not left out,
the blacked-out messages can still be deleted as easily as with any
other Excel file.

So.  Do this: paint the lines a transparent color (anything but black)
so that you can see what's under them.  Leave out the message number.
When you submit the finished doc, I can sort the rows, and because the
message field is blank, they'll all crowd together and I can delete
them en masse.  If deleting the message numbers is going to be a pain,
however, leave them in, and I can delete them by selecting multiple
rows, etc.

Or.

Delete the rows outright (or omit them) as you go.

Either way will work.

Eloise:
I just need a straight answer. From someone clever....and
understanding.... and patient... and sympathetic to the technically
challenged and generally wonderful.....and...and...Do you know,  we
had to write an essay at Canon College about our hero, Dicey, and *I*
 wrote about *you*?

Dicey:
::Whimpers. Begins to cloud up and rain:: WAAAAHH! I was mean and
impatient!  I bit off Eloise's head, and she has the same name as my
favorite Gran!  ::prostrates herself on floor:: I don't deserve to be
a hero. I don't even sort into Gryffindor!  Forgive me, forgive me,
and don't go Voldemort on me, please!  I forgot you weren't using
Excel.  I didn't mean it!  ::curls up into a quivering ball of pathos::

--Dicey, who had a bad day, that's all






From pbnesbit at msn.com  Thu Oct 17 14:43:21 2002
From: pbnesbit at msn.com (harpdreamer)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:43:21 -0000
Subject: Question about links-checking database
Message-ID: <aomia9+i90t@eGroups.com>

Hi All, 

When we've finished checking links for a FAQ, can we sign up for 
another one?  

Parker




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 17 16:43:50 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:43:50 -0000
Subject: Question about links-checking database
In-Reply-To: <aomia9+i90t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aompc6+7sf5@eGroups.com>

Parker:

> When we've finished checking links for a FAQ, can we sign up for 
> another one?  

Mmm, it would probably be better if you didn't.  The FAQs in the 
link-checking database need their links linked in HTML before they 
can be checked.  I'll shoot the next ones out to you when they're 
ready, Parker.

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Oct 17 19:17:56 2002
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:17:56 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re:  Black Paint
Message-ID: <1c1.3cc3d9.2ae066e4@aol.com>

In a message dated 17/10/2002 15:26:31 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> Eloise:
> I just need a straight answer. From someone clever....and
> understanding.... and patient... and sympathetic to the technically
> challenged and generally wonderful.....and...and...Do you know,  we
> had to write an essay at Canon College about our hero, Dicey, and *I*
> wrote about *you*?
> 
> Dicey:
> ::Whimpers. Begins to cloud up and rain:: WAAAAHH! I was mean and
> impatient!  I bit off Eloise's head, and she has the same name as my
> favorite Gran!  ::prostrates herself on floor:: I don't deserve to be
> a hero. I don't even sort into Gryffindor!  Forgive me, forgive me,
> and don't go Voldemort on me, please!  I forgot you weren't using
> Excel.  I didn't mean it!  ::curls up into a quivering ball of pathos::
> 

Oh, Dicey, I didn't mean you to go all grovelling sycophant too! :-)
Voldemort, moi? 
You know, truth be told, I think that Avery fellow's a bad influence round 
here.

>--Dicey, who had a bad day, that's all

That's OK. I know about bad days. In fact a bad few minutes are enough to set 
me off. :-) You should have heard me yesterday morning. <wince>...and the 
morning before <even bigger wince>

So... I've painted all my previously black rows a nice shade of turquoise 
(no. three child's favourite colour) and deleted all their message numbers. 
Very easy. Suspiciously easy.
You know why some didn't have them? (I hadn't realised the inconsistency 
until you pointed it out.) That was when I first started and I, err, hadn't 
read your instructions properly and couldn't get the numbers to fill 
automatically.
Pathetic, eh?

So your favourite Gran's an Eloise, is she? Elkins once told me she 
associated the name with, um, more senior folks. It didn't have any age 
connotations to me, but then the only Eloise I actually know personally is 
only three.

Eloise
who doesn't even have extant parents, let alone grandparents.


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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 17 21:09:29 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:09:29 -0000
Subject: My Most Sincere And Humble Apology (WAS Re: Is Anyone Allergic To Green?  )
In-Reply-To: <aol80v+l4ek@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aon8u9+4hmp@eGroups.com>

Kimberly objected:

> No fair!  There are WAY fewer ice dancers than subversive canon 
> theories!  Not to *mention* lines in the Tax Code...


Oh, dear.

Kimberly is right.  I gave her a task that is nearly impossible.  
Ice dancers, really now.  Most of them are Russian, which really 
makes this terribly unfair.  What was I thinking there?

Kimberly, can you ever forgive me?  What can I do to make it up to 
you?  

What's that?  Post your de-lurk?  OK, I seem to have it right here 
in Message 5573.

Cindy -- hoping that Kimberly doesn't mind this little rite of 
passage

*************

Hi all~
I'm new to the group, and only ever intended to lurk and enjoy all 
your great observations and analysis.

I have enjoyed all of that immensely, except when you were all 
making me cry discussing who was going to die, but I find that all 
of this HP stimulation has made my fingers itchy to respond.

There were a few things that I wanted to touch on, so let me see if 
I can stay coherent:

-Did someone find a reason to think that Voldemort didn't kill 
James, that someone else did? Because I just reread SS/PS and am 
pretty sure that He tells Harry during their confrontation that he 
did kill James himself (and that he said he killed him before Lily). 
Was wondering about that.

-Also along those same lines I wanted to toss out my theory for the 
person who wondered why James' death didn't protect Lily the way 
Lily's death protected Harry. I think maybe it's because James 
didn't die solely to protect them. I don't know why V wanted to kill 
James, exactly, but I had inferred that it was because James had set 
himself against V and his cause in some substantial way. In this 
light, James was dying as much for a cause (the 'resistance' for 
lack of a better term) as to protect his family. He may, in fact, 
have believed that Voldemort would not hurt his family, unless he 
knew what we don't, which is why originally V wanted Harry dead. 
This would be supported also by V's words to Harry in their first 
confrontation, when he tells him that his mother need not have died.
Just a thought.

-I also had a thought about the glorification of rulebreaking 
thread. I don't think she's encouraging kids/people to break the 
rules. I think it's an indictment of unreasonable/unnecessary 
reliance on rules. Society uses rules to keep order. Unfortunately, 
it often degenerates to the point that rules are relied upon for the 
functioning of society (ie beaurocracy). In this vein, rules that 
were designed to go along with the development of moral/ethical 
decision-making often become the replacements for these things, and 
(again like with beaurocratic rules designed to make things better 
that inevitably make things worse) do more harm than good.
The supreme example of what I think she intended would be in the 
Bible. Jesus was constantly getting into trouble with the Pharisees 
for 'breaking rules' by healing people on the sabbath, interacting 
with 'unclean' people, and 'forgiving' sins, which was considered 
blasphemy. The writers of the Bible were not glorifying 
rule-breaking, they were pointing out the inherent problems with 
applying rules without using compassion and discernment as 
guidelines.
(note - not intended to make HP/Bible paralells, just a useful 
example)

-On a lighter note, let me just say Yay Gwen! to the other newbie 
who had such an eloquent defense of Ron. My inner child is in love 
with Ron (I had to wrestle her to the ground to keep her from 
picking a fight with the anti-Ron posters earlier on), and while I 
wouldn't be surprised if Ron were tempted by the 'dark side', I know 
in my heart that when push comes to shove Ron will, as he has done 
in the past, risk his life for his friends, and for the greater 
good. 

This said, I do have a question - one person mentioned that Ron was 
susceptible to the Imperius Curse. I also recall that he was more 
influenced by the veela than Harry. But at the same time he was not 
as susceptible to the mirror of Erised as Harry. What do you think 
about that? Seems interesting, but I don't know what it implies.

-One last question - this is in regards to the possibility that 
someone mentioned that Peeves is somehow a part of Dumbledore's 
personality. I find that thought intriguing. How would you (or would 
you at all) explain the connection between Peeves and the Bloody 
Baron?

Sorry for my long ramblings. I promise to try to be less verbose 
from 
now on.
Thanks for your time,
kimberly (newbie)







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 17 21:17:48 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:17:48 -0000
Subject: More Fun With De-Lurks!
Message-ID: <aon9ds+88uh@eGroups.com>

Where are my *manners?*  Barb and Marina just joined, put their 
noses to the grindstone and started working their fingers to the 
bone.  I never offered them any refreshments or even a proper FAQ 
list hazing -- er, I mean, welcome.

This simply will not do.  

First, we have Marina's de-lurk in Message 33678:

***************************

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., Edblanning at a... wrote:
> I'm going to ask a relly dumb question, but I have realised that I
just don't > understand the Fidelius Charm.
<snip>
> But WHY did Sirius feel the need to create a bluff in switching to
Pettigrew? 
> If he was willing to die rather than give them away, what was the 
> problem?(other than the minor one of wishing to avoid death/
torture). 

Newbie delurking here.

I wondered about that myself. The only theory I could come up with is
that Sirius a)didn't feel entirely confident in his own ability to
withstand torture; or b)was afraid that Voldemort would use some
magical means (Imperio curse or Veritaseum, for example) to get him 
to
talk.

The problem with that is, switching secret-keepers wouldn't keep the
Potters safe in this scenario, it would only introduce an extra step
in the questioning.

Voldemort: Here, drink this Veritaseum.

Sirius: glug-glug-glug

V: Where are the Potters?

S: I don't know.

V: What do you mean you don't know, aren't you the secret-keeper?

S: No, I switched with Peter.

V: Oh. Okay, I'll ask Peter, then.

Not much of a plan, is it? Admittedly, Sirius isn't exactly a
brillian planner. But you'd think James and Lily would think it
through more carefully.

Marina

*****************


And we have Barb's de-lurk in Message 19963:


****************

Hi! I just signed up for the list, and I don't tend
to lurk. My name's Barb, and I could help be
fascinated by the many arguments for and against
Harry's "specialness." I think the clue that JKR
gives to what makes Harry special lies in how similar
to Voldemort Harry is in many ways--half Muggle,
orphaned, raised in the Muggle world, even physical
similarities. But the the greatest DISSIMILARITY
between Harry and Voldemort is something that V. has
that H. does not: he uses his background and childhood
experiences to feed his anger and hatred. He is
forever pursuing power over others as some kind of
revenge against the universe for making him powerless
to control his situation when he was a child. Harry's
response is very Zen; he does not try to control, and
usually finds that he is in complete control. He does
not become an embittered, revenge-driven person, even
after years of living in a closet under the stairs. 
He is always ready to risk his own safety for the good
of others. He thinks of himself last, and comes out
on top. 

That's one reason why Ron is merely a sidekick; he has
a lot of bottled-up resentment and jealousy, and
dreams of glory (his vision in the Mirror of Erised;
and is it any coincidence he had to spend so much time
cleaning slug slime off Tom Riddle's Award for Special
Services to the School?). Although I don't think
he'll turn evil or anything, he could certainly make a
bad decision at some point that will put Harry or
others at risk. He's an accident waiting to happen. 
(But Harry will forgive him afterwards, because that's
who he is.)

Harry and Voldemort have very similar departure
points, but their destinations are very different. 
THAT is what makes Harry special.


*****************

Cindy -- hoping she hasn't missed any other de-lurks 





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 18 10:06:06 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More Fun With De-Lurks!
In-Reply-To: <aon9ds+88uh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021018100606.53633.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Where are my *manners?*  Barb and Marina just
> joined, put their 
> noses to the grindstone and started working their
> fingers to the 
> bone.  I never offered them any refreshments or even
> a proper FAQ 
> list hazing -- er, I mean, welcome.

That was no fun at all.  How can we humiliate people
whose delurks are well-written, attentive to canon,
funny (love the glug-glug-glug), intelligent, and
devoid of cutesy nicknames or questions we've heard
5000 times?

Maybe we need to go back to the good old-fashioned
ways and use paddles.  Or at least make 'em wrestle a
troll.

Amy

=====
In fall their brightened leaves, released,
fly down the wind, and we are pleased
to walk on radiance, amazed.
O light come down to earth, be praised.
            --Wendell Berry, "Great Trees"

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Oct 18 15:40:39 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:40:39 -0000
Subject: Catalogue Progress
Message-ID: <aopa1n+870f@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I was just doing a quick review to see how we're coming on our 
cataloging (the short answer is that we're doing great).  I see that 
all of the message blocks are checked out except for seven, which is 
really pretty darn good considering that we only started a couple of 
weeks ago.  

I have my fingers crossed that there might be one or two more people 
who might join the team. In assessing how many more folks we might 
need, though, it would be helpful if everyone updated the status of 
their catalogue in the catalogue database.  You know, the column for 
status where you can jot down the message number you are on and 
whether you've finished or not yet started.  Go on, don't be shy.  
No one will rap you on the knuckles.  But knowing where everyone 
stands would be helpful in deciding whether the team is complete or 
needs to grow a bit.

And *please* don't forget to upload your catalogue every now and 
then.  I'm terrified of computer crashes myself, so I have been 
doing this every 50-75 messages or so by deleting my old version and 
uploading my new version.  But anything that works for you is 
great.  

Cindy -- finding her current message block to be more dense than her 
last one and finding that she actually has *more* entries on the 
spreadsheet than messages reviewed




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 18 20:41:45 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:41:45 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
Message-ID: <aoprm9+b7gv@eGroups.com>

See if you can beat it!

Message 33022

Eileen




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 18 22:04:29 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:04:29 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <aoprm9+b7gv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoq0hd+7eja@eGroups.com>

Eileen dared us:

> See if you can beat it!

Hm.  That's a tough one.  What could be ickier than Eye-transplant 
Harry and Lily?  I don't think it's been seen yet--we might have to 
start posting new theories in order to outdo Finwitch.  How 
about . . . 


Brain-transplant Trelawney and Mrs. Norris 

    --explains why Trelawney's so dim and Mrs. Norris is so savvy and 
proves FLIRTIAC.  Filch was in love with Trelawney, and of course 
still is, cat-formed though she has become.  Theory incidentally 
explains what the first prediction was.  "I see myself with a bowl of 
Friskies . . . no, Sheba!"  Fortunately for her she was 
uncharacteristically correct and does get to eat premium cat food for 
the rest of her days.

Kidney-transplant Dumbledore and Karkaroff 

    --I mean, what *is* Dumbledore nattering on about?  What would 
possess a usually civilized gentleman to go into such detail about 
his urinary escapades during a feast?  Clearly he has an ulterior 
motive.  He is poking at poor Karkaroff, who, twelve years before, 
was forced to provide a kidney to Dumbledore (who was suffering 
imminent renal failure at the time) as part of his deal with the 
Ministry.  Since arriving at Hogwarts, Karkaroff has become aware 
that the real reason Dumbledore resurrected the Triwizard Tournament 
was to get Karkaroff back within reach, for another kidney is failing 
and Dumbledore needs Karkaroff's good one.  He takes every 
opportunity to remind K of the urgency of this need and of the fact 
that he, K, is about to start a lifetime on Magical Dialysis.  (The 
mark he shows Snape is not a skull with a snake in it but a flashing 
IV insertion point.  "It's getting clearer!"  His days are 
numbered . . . )

Not quite tasteless enough?  How about . . . 

Heart-transplant Harry and Snape--no, make that:

Baby Harry Was Fed Snape's Heart (pureed, with peaches) by James 

   --explains both why Snape doesn't have one and why he hates J & H 
so much.


Amy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Oct 18 22:34:35 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:34:35 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <ao5d1m+mct0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoq29r+7jf6@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "dicentra63" <dicentra at x> wrote:
> > I just ran into the infamous "Snape's oily hair is his pleasure
> > center" post, so I submit OMG (oh my gawd) for messages you just 
> can't
> > believe someone posted.
> > 
> > --Dicey
> 
> Number, please!
> 
> Eileen

In honor of this new thread, I'll finally remember to post the number. 

#37164

Not as bad as Finwitch's, but it certainly got the MEG list rocking.

--Dicey




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 22:57:42 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:57:42 -0000
Subject: Theory origins, catalogue uploads, and icky theory
Message-ID: <aoq3l6+637i@eGroups.com>

Porphyria:
And heck, we even do make reference to MD 
even though I never thought of it as a SnapeTheory per se.

Pip:
No, MD isn't a Snape Theory. [Thanks for putting it in the Snape FAQ 
by the way ? I did notice, but it's my British modesty breaking out ?
 admitting I'd noticed it would have been equivalent to saying `yes, 
it was a Fantastic Post, wasn't it', which is Just Not Done.]

In many ways it could probably survive Snape being revealed as a 
TRIPLE agent, who has secretly been working for Voldemort all the 
time. It could certainly survive the discovery that Snape genuinely 
hates Harry


Porphyria:
Did you only get the idea for MD after you joined the group? I 
figured you'd been percolating that one for ages, given how detailed 
it is.

Pip:
No, when I joined the group, MD was just a little baby dishmop 
floating in the back of my mind


The real premise behind DISHWASHER is `things are not what they 
seem'. Which I believe is a quote by JKR, but I've never really 
looked it up. 

The description of the DE attacks also reminded me strongly of the 
IRA attacks in GB and Northern Ireland ? there has, obviously, been 
a huge number of reports and documentaries about that in the UK, 
many of which have questioned or discussed the extensive use of 
intelligence, informers and undercover operatives by both sides.

 I would probably have dismissed that were it not for the very large 
number of references to `spies' in the books ? not just the 
definite, confirmed, working for Dumbledore/Voldemort spies, but 
also the casual references by the kids to people spying on them, or 
them trying to spy on others. Kids reflect adults, very often 
without realising it. 

There's also a number of people in the books who are *acting* for 
very long periods ? most obviously Quirrel, and Crouch/Moody who 
maintain a cover for a year each. Snape must also have been a pretty 
good actor to survive spying on Voldemort, which was why I suggested 
originally that he might have been acting in the Hospital scene in 
PoA. That later developed into the full blown analysis of the Shack 
and the Hospital in Part I of MD.

Part II developed from the idea that Voldemort is a liar, which is 
canon, and getting annoyed with people who nonetheless insisted that 
his speech in GoF must be gospel truth


Captain Cindy: 
And *please* don't forget to upload your catalogue every now and 
then. I'm terrified of computer crashes myself, so I have been 
doing this every 50-75 messages or so by deleting my old version and 
uploading my new version. But anything that works for you is 
great.

Pip:
Being the deeply suspicious person that I am, I've been using the 
parent-child method of uploading. This is where you upload file 1, 
and when you have a later version, you call it file 2 and upload 
that as well. Then when you have a still later version, you delete 
file 1 ONLY, and upload this latest version as a new file 1. And for 
the next one you delete file 2 


This means that in the horrible event that your file becomes 
corrupted, and you only discover it during an upload, you have NOT 
deleted the last good copy of your file, and will have only lost the 
last 100 or so entries and not the entire bloody thing.

I'm up to about 600 or so of my block, btw.


Eileen: See if you can beat it!
Message 33022

Pip:Urrgh! How did she get them out? With a magic teaspoon?

Pip





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Oct 18 23:12:42 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:12:42 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <aoq0hd+7eja@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoq4ha+jr2h@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> Kidney-transplant Dumbledore and Karkaroff 

Amy, you should post that on the list! It's chock full of canon and I
haven't laughed so hard at anything for ages. 

Dicey, thanks for the number about Snape's "pleasure centre." I
concur: OMG! I had forgotten that one.

Pip: Urrgh! How did she get them out? With a magic teaspoon?
It's a very good theory though. It explains why Harry needs glasses,
for one thing...

Have any of you run across posts that foreshadow something BIG.
"Proto-FEATHEBOAism" was a comment I wrote beside one of Cindy's
posts, and now I've found a Dicey post that foreshadows her Toon
theory. (33097) Add that to Cindy's discovery of an ancient "Ambush"
post. 

Eileen, who is dismayed to discover that she was arguing way back when
that Ginny's crush on Harry had something to do with love, but glad
that she at least is the one cataloguing it




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Fri Oct 18 23:37:46 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:37:46 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <aoq4ha+jr2h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoq60a+82m7@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:

> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> > Kidney-transplant Dumbledore and Karkaroff 
> 
> Amy, you should post that on the list! It's chock full of canon 
and I
> haven't laughed so hard at anything for ages. 
>

::Pip leaps up and down with excitement::

Ooh! Ooh! Yes! Post it - then one of us could chime in with canon 
arguments about how Dumbledore's kidney failure is shown by the 
references to his looking 'tired and old'.

Pip




From skelkins at attbi.com  Sat Oct 19 00:00:19 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:00:19 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <aoq60a+82m7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aoq7aj+5ujo@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:

> ::Pip leaps up and down with excitement::
> 
> Ooh! Ooh! Yes! Post it - then one of us could chime in with canon 
> arguments about how Dumbledore's kidney failure is shown by the 
> references to his looking 'tired and old'.

And the Gleam!  It also explains the Gleam!

See, if Voldemort's really come back, then Karkaroff's *sure*
to pony over that last kidney, right?  Because he'll need the 
*protection,* right?

Ooooh, yes.  He's a selfish selfish man, that Albus Dumbledore.

Karkaroff chooses Snape as his confidante, of course, because
poor Severus was himself forced to cede his own *liver* to 
Dumbledore some years before and so similarly bears the marks of 
the magical IV.  This is the also reason that his complexion is 
always described as "sallow."  JKR, in her usual clever fashion, 
is giving the reader the all-important hint that Snape suffers 
from medical (as well as spiritual) jaundice.

The vulture hat Christmas cracker, obviously, is also intended
as a clue to the reader.  It's a Prometheus reference, you see.


Elkins




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 19 09:21:00 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <aoq4ha+jr2h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021019092100.85178.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>

Eileen wrote of Kidney-transplant Dumbledore and
Karkaroff:
 
> Amy, you should post that on the list! It's chock
> full of canon and I
> haven't laughed so hard at anything for ages. 

Thanks, and it's greatly tempting, because *I* haven't
laughed as hard as I am right now over Pip and
Elkins's manic responses (Prometheus--LOL!), but I
will resist.  It's a bit mean to Finwitch, first off. 
Then, too, I don't want to bear any of the
responsibility for the list devolving into IHPTfBDGU
(Insane HP Theories for Bipolar-Disordered Grownups). 
I suspect it's too late already (Imperio'd Molly?),
but why add to the problem?

Amy
who has a deliciously grim feeling that this thing is
going to appear on the main list next week, grown to
48k and with footnotes and references to Lacan,
courtesy of certain FAQers Who Must Not Be Named. 
Marina, save me!

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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Sat Oct 19 16:42:15 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:42:15 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <20021019092100.85178.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aos217+ef8d@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Amy Z <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> Thanks, and it's greatly tempting, because *I* haven't
> laughed as hard as I am right now over Pip and
> Elkins's manic responses (Prometheus--LOL!), but I
> will resist.  It's a bit mean to Finwitch, first off. 

Oh, I don't think anyone will connect it with the eyeball thing. 

> Then, too, I don't want to bear any of the
> responsibility for the list devolving into IHPTfBDGU
> (Insane HP Theories for Bipolar-Disordered Grownups). 
> I suspect it's too late already (Imperio'd Molly?),
> but why add to the problem?

How about posting it on the OT List, like Elkins did with her
E.L.G.I.N.M.A.R.B.L.E.S. post a long way back? ("Lily was Nice!") Then
we all chime in with our supporting canons. B/C it's entirely too
funny to keep to ourselves. 
 
> Amy
> who has a deliciously grim feeling that this thing is
> going to appear on the main list next week, grown to
> 48k and with footnotes and references to Lacan,
> courtesy of certain FAQers Who Must Not Be Named. 
> Marina, save me!

You want more canon, btw, for the liver thing?

It explains a question that has been plaguing Harry and us a while.

What did Snape do to gain Dumbledore's trust? Cindy suggested that
Snape had to sacrifice Rosier and the others, but the truth now is
apparent. 

Eileen




From rusalka at ix.netcom.com  Mon Oct 21 16:52:11 2002
From: rusalka at ix.netcom.com (marinafrants)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:52:11 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <20021019092100.85178.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ap1bbr+glpj@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Amy Z <lupinesque at y...> wrote:

> Amy
> who has a deliciously grim feeling that this thing is
> going to appear on the main list next week, grown to
> 48k and with footnotes and references to Lacan,
> courtesy of certain FAQers Who Must Not Be Named. 
> Marina, save me!
> 

Hey, don't look at me.  I'm the one was who was officially branded as
the author of the EWWW-est theory ever for my "Voldemort was going to
force Lily to bear him a son" scenario.  It's in Hypothetic Alley and
everything.  Yet now I see that I'm just a wide-eyed innocent compared
to the rest of you sickos.  I feel positively vindicated. 

Marina
rusalka at ix.netcom.com





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 21 17:16:53 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:16:53 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <ap1bbr+glpj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap1cq5+lfk2@eGroups.com>

Marina wrote:

>Yet now I see that I'm just a wide-eyed innocent compared
> to the rest of you sickos.  I feel positively vindicated. 

I know just how you feel, Marina.  All of my favorite theories are 
squeaky clean, but I am positively *surrounded* by folks spouting 
the most sickening theories you can imagine.  Filicide!Arthur 
indeed! :-D

Queasy!Cindy




From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 21 18:21:34 2002
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:21:34 -0000
Subject: A cataloguing question (or three, or nine...)
Message-ID: <ap1gje+4ft6@eGroups.com>

Hey all -

I was hoping somebody could answer me a couple of quickies before I 
go reinventing the wheel.

-Is there a list somewhere of accepted topic names/terms so I don't 
use the wrong descriptor and screw up searching, or is it pretty much 
just whatever makes sense?  

-How do you prioritize topics?  

-I can just skip posts that don't say much of anything, yes?

-Also, for posts on multiple subjects, should I make a new row for 
each subject but with the same post #?

I looked through some of the old posts here for info, but I don't 
want to put this off any longer, so I thought I'd just ask all you 
seasoned pros...

Anyway, thanks in advance for the advice!

kimberly
-embarassed to show my face after my interminable delurk was posted 
(I promise I'm not always that long-winded!) 




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 21 19:43:44 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:43:44 -0000
Subject: A cataloguing question (or three, or nine...)
In-Reply-To: <ap1gje+4ft6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap1ldg+m5eq@eGroups.com>

Kimberly asked:

> -Is there a list somewhere of accepted topic names/terms so I 
>don't use the wrong descriptor and screw up searching, or is it 
>pretty much just whatever makes sense?  

Yup, there's a list, all right.  Click on "Database" and 
select "Catalogue Topic Terms."  This will give you a database of 
about 250 keywords that we are using.  If you click "Printable 
Record," you will get one long list of these words that is 
scrollable and searchable (CTRL + F to find terms).  We're not 
cataloguing character names at all, instead using last names for 
adults and first names for students for the most part.  

Before you add a new word to the database, page through it and see 
if you can find a keyword that suits your needs so that the database 
doesn't get any bigger.  If you decide to add a new key word (I had 
to add "Humor" just today in fact), be sure to define it so that 
others will understand how to use it.  You add key words by going 
back to the database and hitting "Add Record."

 
> -How do you prioritize topics?  

Hmmm.  I've been using keywords to describe the discussion in the 
post that is the most in depth or interesting.  Subsequent keyword 
are then used to further define/cross-reference that discussion or 
to refer to another discussion in the same post.  So let's say I 
have a huge post discussing how the Marauders fooled Dumbledore, 
SHIPing between Neville and Ginny, and Peter's devotion to 
Voldemort, with a few uninspiring one-liners dealing with animagi.  
I'd code that something like this:

MWPP Dumbledore
SHIP Ginny Neville
Pettigrew Voldemort

 
> -I can just skip posts that don't say much of anything, yes?

I've been skipping such posts or, in close cases, cataloguing them 
with a description in the comments section that indicates that the 
post isn't great.  For instance, today I was cataloguing a *huge* 
discussion on religion and whether Hogwarts is secular.  A few 
posters had little to say other than, "I'm Jewish, and I *love* 
Easter eggs!"  Given how excellent the rest of the discussion was, I 
skipped the posts that added nothing new.  Similarly, the discussion 
veered wildly off-topic in some posts.  I dealt with that by either 
skipping it entirely (the post was completely about the poster's own 
experience with religious education, for instance) or cataloguing it 
and mentioning that the post was OT but interesting in the comments 
section.

 
> -Also, for posts on multiple subjects, should I make a new row for 
> each subject but with the same post #?

If you need more key words than 3, you'll need to add another row 
that includes the message number.  Again, though, if the post makes 
3 excellent points and 2 unexceptional ones that couldn't possibly 
interest a FAQ editor, I would just catalogue the 3 excellent 
points.  On posts that require a lot of key words and extra Excel 
lines, I've been grouping them in a logical way, even if that leaves 
some keyword columns blank.

 

> kimberly
> -embarassed to show my face after my interminable delurk was 
>posted  (I promise I'm not always that long-winded!)

Aw, not to worry, Kimberly.  We all endured the FAQ list de-lurk 
ritual.  You'll be fine, really you will.  :-D

Cindy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Mon Oct 21 20:04:12 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:04:12 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <ap1bbr+glpj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap1mjs+b1h5@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "marinafrants" <rusalka at i...> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., Amy Z <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> 
> > Amy
> > who has a deliciously grim feeling that this thing is
> > going to appear on the main list next week, grown to
> > 48k and with footnotes and references to Lacan,
> > courtesy of certain FAQers Who Must Not Be Named. 
> > Marina, save me!
> > 
> 
> Hey, don't look at me.  I'm the one was who was officially branded as
> the author of the EWWW-est theory ever for my "Voldemort was going to
> force Lily to bear him a son" scenario.  It's in Hypothetic Alley and
> everything.  Yet now I see that I'm just a wide-eyed innocent compared
> to the rest of you sickos.  I feel positively vindicated. 

Officially branded? That was me, wasn't it? I called it the sickest HP
theory ever,(and saluted you for it.)

Well, Marina, I'll make it up to you by furthering the theory and
taking some of the blame on myself. The reason Voldemort wanted Lily
to bear him a son should be obvious after this discussion. 

Organ donation. 

Eileen




From rusalka at ix.netcom.com  Mon Oct 21 21:02:05 2002
From: rusalka at ix.netcom.com (marinafrants)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:02:05 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <ap1mjs+b1h5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap1q0d+sajr@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
>
> Well, Marina, I'll make it up to you by furthering the theory and
> taking some of the blame on myself. The reason Voldemort wanted Lily
> to bear him a son should be obvious after this discussion. 
> 
> Organ donation. 

Of course!  It's all part of his quest for immortality.  He was going
to cheat old age by replacing his organs with new ones as he got
older.  But organ transplantation carries a high risk of rejection if
the donor is not a close blood relative.  Since Voldemort had made the
strategic mistake of murdering all his close blood relatives some
years before, he had to go out and make new ones.

Marina
rusalka at ix.netcom.com





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 21:20:28 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:20:28 -0000
Subject: The Ickiest HP theory ever
In-Reply-To: <ap1q0d+sajr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap1r2s+j9o6@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "marinafrants" <rusalka at i...> wrote:
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> wrote:
> >
> > Well, Marina, I'll make it up to you by furthering the theory and
> > taking some of the blame on myself. The reason Voldemort wanted 
> > Lily to bear him a son should be obvious after this discussion. 
> > 
> > Organ donation. 
> 
> Of course!  It's all part of his quest for immortality.  He was 
>going to cheat old age by replacing his organs with new ones as he 
> got older.  But organ transplantation carries a high risk of 
> rejection if the donor is not a close blood relative.  Since 
> Voldemort had made the strategic mistake of murdering all his 
> close  blood relatives someyears before, he had to go out and make 
>new  ones.
> Marina
> rusalka at i...

Plus, Voldemort of course, has the very rare AB Rhesus negative 
blood type, making the possibility of a non-related organ match slim 
indeed. 

He was in fact collecting a hareem of witches who carry either A or 
B rhesus negative blood types; increasing the chances that any child 
born would be a good donor match.

Lily was of course an AB rhesus neg herself, making her especially 
perfect.

Pip

[Next!]




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 22 13:04:31 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:04:31 -0000
Subject: The Most Popular Topics Ever
Message-ID: <ap3icv+hg07@eGroups.com>

In my cataloguing, I've noticed some topics come up again and again 
(Duh!).  I think the two most commonly discussed topics are:

1.  Who will die?

2.  Variants of Redeemable!Draco.

Just thought I'd share.  ;-)

Cindy -- Hagrid is going to die; isn't that *obvious*?




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 22 13:30:58 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:30:58 -0000
Subject: The Most Popular Topics Ever
In-Reply-To: <ap3icv+hg07@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap3jui+2ml6@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> In my cataloguing, I've noticed some topics come up again and 
again 
> (Duh!).  I think the two most commonly discussed topics are:
> 
> 1.  Who will die?
> 
> 2.  Variants of Redeemable!Draco.
> 
> Just thought I'd share.  ;-)
> 
> Cindy -- Hagrid is going to die; isn't that *obvious*?

Almost as obvious as he of the 'watch out for the balrog!' sticker 
on his back - but that will be end of Book 6, I reckon.

'Who will die'is mostly coming up in my section as 'please don't 
kill [place favourite character here]'. A certain FAQ'er Who Must 
Not Be Named appears to be prepared to slaughter the entire cast 
(including small children) providing Lupin and Black are left 
standing at the end.

Listies appear to think that Snape would have a few words to say to 
JKR if she tried to kill him off, and so doesn't need any help from 
us. An alternative view is that Snape might thoroughly *enjoy* 
coming back as a ghost and haunting Harry. [grin].

Otherwise big topics in my section are 'Happiness' [no surprises. 
Dumbledore is, Snape isn't, yawn...] and 'House - Elves'. Pippin is 
making a spirited attempt to move this away from the 'slavery' 
analogy and into the 'house-elves = house-wives' analogy. 

Pip




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 22 14:37:07 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:37:07 -0000
Subject: The Most Popular Topics Ever
In-Reply-To: <ap3jui+2ml6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap3nqj+icc9@eGroups.com>

Pip:

>A certain FAQ'er Who Must 
> Not Be Named appears to be prepared to slaughter the entire cast 
> (including small children) providing Lupin and Black are left 
> standing at the end.

A fair trade, I say!  Who's with me?!!  ;-)

I recently noticed in Message 34,381 that a certain FAQer confesses 
all and identifies the characters with whom she identifies most:  
Snape, Neville and (brace yourselves!) *Hermione.*

Here's an excerpt:

*********

Hermione, on the other hand, is a character I can identify with
in a positive sense. I am not all *that* much like her, but there
are enough points of identification to allow her to serve as a
protagonist for me in a way that Harry simply cannot. (I'm just
nothing like Harry. We're completely different types of people.)
I am not as kind as she is, nor as generous -- and I am not in the
least bit brave -- but I would like to be all of those things, and 
I'm
enough kin to her in other ways that she can serve as a kind of 
exemplar. When Hermione behaves badly, I feel disappointed in her 
in a way that I just don't when Ron or Harry show their flaws; and
when she does something particularly admirable, I feel gratified
on a far more personal level.

**************

So, uh, how come we never get treated to any discussion of Hermione 
from this Unnamed FAQer?

Hmmm.

Cindy 




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct 22 17:32:14 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:32:14 -0000
Subject: The Most Popular Topics Ever
In-Reply-To: <ap3nqj+icc9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap422u+cm1p@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Pip:
> 
> >A certain FAQ'er Who Must 
> > Not Be Named appears to be prepared to slaughter the entire cast 
> > (including small children) providing Lupin and Black are left 
> > standing at the end.
> 
> A fair trade, I say!  Who's with me?!!  ;-)
> 
::raises hand, jumps up and down::

ME! ME! ME! ME! ME!

As far as relating to Hermione, I was a jack-booted Nazi like she was
in grade school.  I freaked out if anyone broke the rules and read
them the riot act every time.  I don't think I ever snitched on them,
though. 

--Dicey, who still is a rule-follower but keeps her mouth shut





From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 22 19:28:54 2002
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:28:54 -0000
Subject: Hot on the heels of Kimberley...
Message-ID: <ap48tm+s9cn@eGroups.com>

I thought it was about time I delurked here as well. I've finally 
signed up and starting cataloguing, and I'm already running into 
Keyword problems...

What is everyone doing about speculative stuff which comes out of 
JKR's interviews?  For instance, I've already come across a really 
tedious thread on which room Harry needs to find the magical 
properties of.  It goes on...and on...and on...  Can I just skip 
these and put ANN?

Also, I'm wondering how specific to be with the keywords - there are 
several religious threads developing in my block - one lot is on the 
Commandments, another on the Beatitudes, another talks about 
Buddhism - should I just use religion as the first keyword and be 
more specific with the other two, or just leave it as religion and 
elaborate in the comments section?

Sorry, I wish I hadn't deleted all my Digests now - I know I should 
trawl back, but if these Qs can be answered quickly, it would save 
me a lot of time.

Catherine




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Tue Oct 22 19:45:15 2002
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 22 Oct 2002 19:45:15 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1035315915.2246.1471.w15@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /Instructions/HowToCatalogue.txt 
  Uploaded by : lupinesque <lupinesque at yahoo.com> 
  Description : Message 1218 from Cindy.  If new improved directions appear, replace this file. 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/Instructions/HowToCatalogue.txt 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

lupinesque <lupinesque at yahoo.com>
 







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 22 19:45:23 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:45:23 -0000
Subject: Hot on the heels of Kimberley...
In-Reply-To: <ap48tm+s9cn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap49sj+k16a@eGroups.com>

Catherine asked:

> What is everyone doing about speculative stuff which comes out of 
> JKR's interviews?  For instance, I've already come across a really 
> tedious thread on which room Harry needs to find the magical 
> properties of.  It goes on...and on...and on...  Can I just skip 
> these and put ANN?

Mmm, I haven't hit this particular thread yet (although I do remember 
that one), but I'd go with the keyword "Predictions."  I'd then put 
something like "Secret room predictions" under the comments section.  
I would probably catalogue a couple of the posts that are the most 
interesting, canon-based or thoughtful and skip the rest. 

 
> Also, I'm wondering how specific to be with the keywords - there 
>are several religious threads developing in my block - one lot is on 
>the Commandments, another on the Beatitudes, another talks about 
> Buddhism - should I just use religion as the first keyword and be 
> more specific with the other two, or just leave it as religion and 
> elaborate in the comments section?

People really get their teeth into those religion discussions, don't 
they?  I did one this morning that went into Hinduism.  

I would just catalogue them under "Religion" and then use the 
comments field to elaborate.  On those threads, I have taken to using 
comments like "Hinduism -- OT but very good discussion."  I hate to 
omit a really fabulous explanation of something like that, but 
frankly, those posts often have very little to do with Hogwarts.  So 
I figure I'll make note of the better ones (skipping posts such as "I 
used to enjoy taking communion before I became an atheist") but cut 
the editor a break by mentioning whether the post is wildly off-topic.

 
> Sorry, I wish I hadn't deleted all my Digests now - I know I should 
> trawl back, but if these Qs can be answered quickly, it would save 
> me a lot of time.

Not to worry.  Ask away!

Cindy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 19:50:30 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:50:30 -0000
Subject: Hot on the heels of Kimberley...
In-Reply-To: <ap48tm+s9cn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap4a66+4pua@eGroups.com>

Catherine, who apparently thinks delurks are supposed to be PAINLESS--
hoo boy, has she got another think coming!--wrote:

> I thought it was about time I delurked here as well. I've finally 
> signed up and starting cataloguing, and I'm already running into 
> Keyword problems...

I seemed to recall that we were going to have a folder of 
instructions, so I just created one and uploaded Cindy's "New 
Improved Guidelines" (Message 1218) to it.  Hope that works for 
everyone.  It's the message I've printed out to consult while 
cataloguing.  Not that I have been DOING any cataloguing.  But I HAVE 
been compiling fascinating posts about why people would be damn fool 
enough to name their kid Remus Lupin, anyhow, so I'm doing my bit for 
FAQdom.

While we're on confessions, I'm the clod who put "Get Fuzzy" in the 
keywords (I didn't know WHAT to do with it!  she wailed) and also 
didn't know what to do with SHIPs so invented keywords like SHIP: 
Cho.  I get it now.  I'll be much better behaved in future.

Amy




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Oct 22 22:40:44 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:40:44 -0000
Subject: Hot on the heels of Kimberley...
In-Reply-To: <ap49sj+k16a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap4k5c+d4qt@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> > Also, I'm wondering how specific to be with the keywords - there 
> >are several religious threads developing in my block - one lot is on 
> >the Commandments, another on the Beatitudes, another talks about 
> > Buddhism - should I just use religion as the first keyword and be 
> > more specific with the other two, or just leave it as religion and 
> > elaborate in the comments section?
> 
> People really get their teeth into those religion discussions, don't 
> they?  I did one this morning that went into Hinduism.  
> 
> I would just catalogue them under "Religion" and then use the 
> comments field to elaborate.  On those threads, I have taken to using 
> comments like "Hinduism -- OT but very good discussion."  I hate to 
> omit a really fabulous explanation of something like that, but 
> frankly, those posts often have very little to do with Hogwarts.

I believe Catherine's talking about threads that examine HP in light
of the Beatitudes, Ten Commandments etc. I think I was responsible for
the Beatitudes one. I would term those as "Religion" and "Morality",
actually, since those threads were mostly aboutexamining how HP's
general moral structure melds with Judeo-Christian morality. 

Eileen, who is feeling very, very, very happy having finished the big
midterms and resisted the urge to write under "Who is your famous
Roman Emperor?" "Augustus b/c he reminds me of Barty Crouch Sr."




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 23 14:57:40 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:57:40 -0000
Subject: Hot on the heels of Kimberley...
In-Reply-To: <ap4a66+4pua@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ap6dd4+ik5i@eGroups.com>

Amy:

> I seemed to recall that we were going to have a folder of 
> instructions, so I just created one and uploaded Cindy's "New 
> Improved Guidelines" (Message 1218) to it.  

<Cindy looks around on the floor and sees a dropped ball with her 
name on it>

Oooops!  You know, I was *just* about to upload that message as a 
file like I publicly promised to do.  Uh-huh.  But Amy beat me to 
it.  But I was gonna do it, I swear!

Thanks Amy!


>But I HAVE 
> been compiling fascinating posts about why people would be damn 
>fool  enough to name their kid Remus Lupin, anyhow, so I'm doing my 
>bit for FAQdom.

Are ya gonna include my most Ever So Lame Theory?  You know the one 
-- "MoM Forced Lupin To Change His Name?"  Oh, it's a classic.  Not 
a single person bought that one.  I wonder why.

But I'll have the last laugh when the next book comes out and I'm 
proven right!

Cindy -- who still has no clue what "Get Fuzzy" is and imagines it 
is a way of referring to werewolf transformations




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct 27 03:14:30 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:14:30 -0000
Subject: More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
Message-ID: <apflmm+s67o@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

We have two more FAQs that are ready to have their links checked.  
They are "James and Lily" and "Animals."  

Does anyone have time to do the link checks on these two?  If so, 
reply and I'll send you the links.

Thanks!

Cindy




From simon.hp at virgin.net  Sun Oct 27 10:01:11 2002
From: simon.hp at virgin.net (Simon)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:01:11 -0000
Subject: Names
Message-ID: <FNENKBINFJFDKIHDHODNIEGKFBAA.simon.branford@virgin.net>

Hello,

Due to a few things I request that the FAQs that I originally wrote are edited
to change my name from Simon Branford to Simon.


Thanks in advance to whomever does this,

Simon




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 27 11:28:38 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:28:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
In-Reply-To: <apflmm+s67o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021027112838.18032.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote: > Hi,
all,
> 
> We have two more FAQs that are ready to have their
> links checked.  
> They are "James and Lily" and "Animals."  
> 
> Does anyone have time to do the link checks on these
> two?  If so, 
> reply and I'll send you the links.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cindy

I have time to check one for you, as I have Monday
off. Send a link along and I'll have it done in no
time. :)

Sheryll

=====
"We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times."
 blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Oct 27 12:57:19 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 12:57:19 -0000
Subject: More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
In-Reply-To: <20021027112838.18032.qmail@web41103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <apgnrf+p5eg@eGroups.com>

Sheryll:

> I have time to check one for you, as I have Monday
> off. Send a link along and I'll have it done in no
> time. :)

Thank you so much, Sheryll!

FAQs that have been coded are being stored in the "FAQ Staging Area" 
in the Files section on this list.  Many, many thanks to Porphyria 
for setting that up.  

The link for James and Lily is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/FAServersStaging/james_lily.html

Have fun!

Cindy




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 27 16:28:32 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 16:28:32 -0000
Subject: Names
In-Reply-To: <FNENKBINFJFDKIHDHODNIEGKFBAA.simon.branford@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <aph47g+c2bu@eGroups.com>

Simon asked:

> Due to a few things I request that the FAQs that I originally wrote
are edited
> to change my name from Simon Branford to Simon.

Simon, I have changed this on the Animals FAQ. I will keep an eye out
for this for all the future FAQs that we convert. 

~Porphyria.




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 28 18:34:18 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:34:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
In-Reply-To: <apgnrf+p5eg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021028183418.49640.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote: >
Sheryll:
> 
> > I have time to check one for you, as I have Monday
> > off. Send a link along and I'll have it done in no
> > time. :)
> 
> Thank you so much, Sheryll!
> 
> FAQs that have been coded are being stored in the
> "FAQ Staging Area" 
> in the Files section on this list.  Many, many
> thanks to Porphyria 
> for setting that up.  
> 
> The link for James and Lily is:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
> FAQ/files/FAServersStaging/james_lily.html
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Cindy

It was fun and quick and I'm done. All the links check
out just fine. Got any more you want checked, I have
Wednesday afternoon free? :D

Sheryll

=====
"We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times."
 blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Oct 28 23:01:10 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:01:10 -0000
Subject: More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
In-Reply-To: <20021028183418.49640.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <apkfjm+bo0m@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:

> It was fun and quick and I'm done. All the links check
> out just fine. Got any more you want checked, I have
> Wednesday afternoon free? :D

Uh . . . 

Actually, the History FAQ needs a link check, but, er, I can't 
remember if I asked anyone to handle it.  ::blushes::  

Is there anyone out there I set to work on the History FAQ?

Sheryll, if no one else is on it, would you like to have a go?  
There are a couple of bad de-lurk citations, which I'll need to fix, 
so I'll advise you of those off-list.  The History FAQ is at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/FAServersStaging/history.html

Cindy -- who could have *sworn* she asked someone to handle History 
but can't find any evidence of this at all




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 28 23:55:32 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:55:32 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: More FAQs Ready For Link Checks!
In-Reply-To: <apkfjm+bo0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BEA2415D-EAD0-11D6-AA87-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Cindy asked:

> Is there anyone out there I set to work on the History FAQ?

Yes, Parker has given it a link check. I suppose it could use another pair 
of eyes, but I think right now all our newly linked FAQs have had, or are 
in the process of getting a link check.

~Porphyria


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Oct 29 06:00:53 2002
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:00:53 -0000
Subject: Wormtail, Wormtail, why would I kill you?
Message-ID: <apl86l+2onm@eGroups.com>

"Your Ladyship is still determined, then?" Dicentra said quietly.

"Certainly I am determined, Dicentra." There was a note of menace in 
the cold voice now.

A slight pause followed--and then Dicentra spoke, the words tumbling 
from her in a rush, as though she were forcing herself to say this 
before she lost her nerve.

"It could be done without cataloging, My Lady."

Another pause, more protracted, and then--

"Without cataloging?" breathed the second voice, softly. "I see..."

"My Lady I do not say this out of concern for the catalogers!" said 
Dicentra, her voice rising squeakily. "The catalogers are nothing to 
me, nothing at all! It is merely that if we were to use another 
method--any method?the thing could be done so much more quickly!  If 
you allowed me to leave off cataloging for a short while?you know 
that I can work most rapidly--I could be back here in as little as 
three weeks with all the FAQs updated--"

"We could use another method," said the cold voice softly, "that is 
true..."

"My Lady, it makes sense," said Dicentra, sounding thoroughly 
relieved now. "Cataloging the whole list is so difficult, it is so 
enormous--"

"And so you go to fetch me a different method? I wonder... perhaps 
the task of cataloging has become wearisome for you, Dicentra? Could 
this suggestion of abandoning the original cataloging plan be 
nothing more than an attempt to desert the FAQ project?"

"My Lady! I--I have no wish to leave the FAQ project, none at all--"

"Do not lie to me!" hissed the second voice. "I can always tell, 
Dicentra! You are regretting you ever volunteered for this.  It 
revolts you. I see you flinch when you open Excel, feel you shudder 
when you open the list archive..."

"No! My devotion to your Ladyship--"

"Your devotion is nothing more than boredom. You would not be here 
if you had anything else to do. How is the FAQ project to survive 
without you, when it needs 1,000 posts cataloged ever few days? Who 
is to parse the list?"

"But it seems to be going so well, My Lady--"

"Liar," breathed the second voice.  "The FAQs are not getting done 
any faster, and a few days of laziness on your part would be enough 
to rob the project of what little momentum it has regained under 
your clumsy care.  *Silence*!"

Dicentra, who had been sputtering incoherently, fell silent at 
once.  For a few seconds, nothing more could be heard but the 
keyboard tapping.  Then the second person spoke once more, in a 
whisper that was almost a hiss.

"I have my reasons for doing the cataloging, as I have already 
explained to you, and I will use no other method. I have waited many 
months. A few more days and we'll have this thing done. As for the 
enormity of the task, I believe my plan will be effective.  All that 
is needed is a little motivation from you, Dicentra--motivation you 
will find, unless you wish to feel the full extent of Sin D.C.'s 
wrath--"

"My Lady, I must speak!" said Dicentra, panic in her voice now. "All 
through our cataloging, I have gone through the FAQ project in my 
head--My Lady, the old FAQs' transformation will not go unnoticed 
for long, and if we proceed, if I update?"

"If?" whispered the second voice. "*If*?" If you follow the plan, 
Dicentra, the other Moderators need never know that any other FAQ 
has been modified. You will do so quietly and without fuss; I only 
wish that I could do it myself, but I've got my own 1,000-post block 
to do... Come, Dicentra, one more block of 1,000 and our path to 
updated FAQs is clear.  I am not asking you to do it alone.  By that 
time, the *diligent* catalogers will have finished their blocks?"

"*I* am a diligent cataloger," said Dicentra, the merest trace of 
sullenness in her voice.

"Dicentra, I need someone with brains, somebody whose enthusiasm has 
never wavered, and you, unfortunately, fulfill neither requirement."

"I made a help file," said Dicentra, and there was definitely a 
sulky edge to her voice now. "I was the one who found out how to 
upload multiple terms to the database. I made a template."

"That is true," said the second person, sounding amused. "A stroke 
of brilliance I would not have thought possible from you, Dicentra--
though if truth be told, you were not aware of how useful the help 
file would be when you made it, were you?"

"I--I thought it might be useful, My Lady--"

"Liar," said the second voice again, the cruel amusement more 
pronounced than ever. "However, I do not deny that the information 
was invaluable. Without it, I could never have formed our plan, and 
for that, you will have your reward, Dicentra.  I will allow you to 
perform an essential task for me, one that many of my followers 
would give their right hands to perform..."

"R-really, My Lady? What?? Dicentra sounded terrified again.

"Ah, Dicentra, you don't want me to spoil the surprise? Your part 
will come at the very end... but I promise you, you will have the 
honor of being just as useful as the help file."

Dicentra mulled this over.  This honor could involve either having 
her name broadcast far and wide as the sole creator of the catalog, 
or she could be fed to Nagini.  She knew what she had to do...

She switched on Excel and got to it with increased fervor...





From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 10:52:30 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:52:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Wormtail, Wormtail, why would I kill you?
In-Reply-To: <apl86l+2onm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021029105230.37246.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>

ROTFL!  But how will she type one-handed?  

Ah . . . the summer breeze blows, the pages start to
turn as if under a spirit hand, they are brushed with
falling leaves, then falling snow, then:  June.  The
book falls still at page 563 (UK ed.) . . .

"Dicentra here has paid some of her debt, have you
not, Dicentra?

She looked down at Dicentra, who continued to sob.

"You returned to cataloguing, not out of loyalty, but
out of fear of your old friends:  Elkins, Eloise, all
the other cataloguers.  You deserve this pain,
Dicentra.  You know that, don't you?"

"Yes, mistress," moaned Dicentra, "please, mistress .
. . please . . . "

"Yet you helped me complete this task," said Sin D.C.
coolly, watching Dicentra sob on the ground. 
"Worthless and traitorous as you are, you helped me .
. . and Sin D.C. rewards her helpers . . . "

She raised her wand again and whirled it through the
air.  A streak of what looked like molten silver hung
shining in the wand's wake.  Momentarily shapeless, it
writhed and then formed itself into a gleaming disc,
bright as moonlight, which soared downwards, spun a
few moments in midair before Dicentra's wide-eyed
face, and deposited itself in her open CD-ROM.

Dicentra's sobbing stopped abruptly.  Her breathing
harsh and ragged, she raised her head and stared in
disbelief at the silver disc, now sitting quietly in
the open drawer, as though her computer were being fed
a dazzling LifeSaver.  She pressed the dfawer shut,
gazed at the software unfolding upon her
screen--"Dragon Speech Recognition 2003, Hungarian
Horntail Edition"--then, trembling, clicked on Message
75,001, and read its subjects effortlessly into the
database.  The keyboard crumbled into powder.

"My Lady," she whispered.  "Mistress . . . it is
beautiful . . . thank you . . . *thank you* . . . "

Amy

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Oct 29 16:06:17 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:06:17 -0000
Subject: Just answer no . . . just answer no . . . 
Message-ID: <apmblq+qtbc@eGroups.com>

The oak door opened abruptly, bouncing hard off something blocking 
its path.  "Is someone out there?" a raspy voice demanded.

"Yes . . . ," Cindy said faintly, "down here.  It's . . . it's me, 
Mr. Mulciber.  I -- I've been trying to get your attention, sir."

"Why didn't you just *knock?*  And what are you doing lying outside 
my office?  Get *up,* for heaven's sake!"  He narrowed his eyes 
suspiciously at the neatly folded parchment in Cindy's hand.  "You 
were going to slide that under my door, weren't you?"

"NO!  No, no, no!"  Cindy said quickly, hauling herself up from the 
tile floor.  "I was going to give it to you, I swear!  I ?- I was 
going to knock -? I was -- but I seem to be having some shooting 
pains and numbness in my fingers and wrists, sir.  From all the 
typing, you see.  They feel a little better when I press them 
against something really cold like the floor here, so I --"

"Stop wasting my time!" Mulciber broke in, his arms folded over his 
chest, his eyes boring into Cindy.  "What do you want?"

"I -? I wanted to give you my message block.  34,001-35,000, sir."  
Cindy said proudly.  "It's all there.  You can count it yourself, if 
you like."

There was a tense silence as Mulciber studied the 
parchment.  "Excellent!" he declared, beaming at Cindy.  The green 
fluorescent light in the hall glinted off a single gold tooth in his 
upper jaw.  "You'll be starting to work on another message block 
straight away then, am I right?"

"Uh . . . " Cindy said, taking one tentative step backward.  "Well, 
sir, I was just going to talk to you about that.  You *know* how I 
love doing message blocks, really, I do.  But just between you and 
me, sir, I'm totally *beat.*  I mean like -- *Whew!*  As much as I'd 
*love* to start another one, I could really use a teensy little 
break.  I'm sure you understand.  It's nothing personal, honestly.  
I think I'll go home and have myself a bit of a lie in, as you 
British folks like to say.  I've always really liked that 
phrase 'lie in' ?- it's so very proper and British and all -- 'lie 
in,' yes.  Really, it's been *great* working with you, Mr. Mulciber, 
and I'll see you in -?"

"IMPERIO!" 

And Cindy felt, for the third but actually only the second time in 
her life, the sensation that her mind had been wiped of all 
thought . . . Ah, it was bliss, not to think, it was as though she 
were floating, dreaming . . . . just catalogue messages . . . just 
catalogue messages . . . catalogue messages . . . 

I will not, said another voice in the back of her head, I won't 
catalogue messages . . . 

Just catalogue messages . . . 

I won't do it, I won't . . .

Just catalogue messages . . .

"I WON'T!"

And these words burst from Cindy's mouth; they echoed through the 
hallway, and the dream state was lifted as suddenly as though cold 
water had been thrown over her ?- back rushed the aches that the 
cataloguing had left all over her body ?- backed rushed the 
realization of where she was, and what she was facing . . . 

"You won't?" said Mulciber quietly.  "You won't catalogue?  Cindy, 
obedience is a virtue I need to teach you before you have a lie 
in . . . Perhaps another little dose of pain?"

"WHOA!" Cindy exclaimed, her open hands raised in the air.  "Did I 
just say that out loud?  The part about 'I won't?'  You want another 
message block, sir?  Anything you say!  You can count on me, Mr. 
Mulciber.  Coming right up!  It's the *least* I can do, don't you 
think?  How about if I get started on Message Block 39001-40000 
right this minute?"

Mulciber grabbed Cindy's shoulders, turned her around, and pushed 
her roughly down the hall toward the FAQ group.  "I knew I could 
count on you, Cindy," he called after her.

***********

Cindy ? who caught a break in the last 20 posts when lots of people 
answered a question about when GoF would come out in paperback 
(skip, skip, skip), but who was *nailed* by a Catlady 9-part 
combined post in the very last message 







From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Oct 29 21:01:19 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:01:19 -0000
Subject: Just answer no . . . just answer no . . .
In-Reply-To: <apmblq+qtbc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <apmsuv+i0np@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at y..., "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
  How about if I get started on Message Block 39001-40000 
> right this minute?"
> 
>
"9001 - 40000... 39001 - 40000" Pip muses. "Why does that sound so 
familiar to me?"

"Oh, yeah."

Err... Cindy? Best of luck with the kitchen appliance. :-0

Pip
[Who is down to the last 140 posts. And never wants to discuss House 
Elves again. Which is a bit of a b**r, because she's trying to work 
out Crouch Jrs first escape attempt, involving one Winky, who is of 
course a House Elf. Darn!]




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 14:25:50 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:25:50 -0000
Subject: In the staffroom
Message-ID: <apoq5e+3r4p@eGroups.com>

Pip felt restless. She wanted to hand this block in, to take her 
mind off her boredom at doing  another block tomorrow. Why should 
she be afraid of Snape? Getting up, she told Elkins and Cindy that 
she was going to ask Snape if she could not do the next block.

"Rather you than me", they said together, but Pip had an idea that 
Snape wouldn't refuse if there were other teachers listening.

She made her way to the staff room and knocked. There was no answer. 
She knocked again. Nothing.

Perhaps she could just leave the completed block in there? It was 
worth a try. She pushed the door ajar and peered inside ? and a 
horrible scene met her eyes.

Snape and an FAQer were inside, alone. Snape was holding his robes 
above his knees.

Pip tried to shut the door quietly, but ?

PIPSQUEAK!

Snape's face was twisted with fury as he dropped his robes quickly. 
Pip gulped.

"I just wondered if I could not do another block."

GET OUT! *OUT*! AND I WANT THAT NEXT BLOCK IN QUICKLY!

Pip left, before Snape could take any more points from Hufflepuff. 
She sprinted back upstairs.

"Did you get time off?"  Elkins asked as Pip joined them. "What's 
the matter?"

In a low whisper, Pip told them what she'd seen


*********************************************************************

Ok, Ok, so I'll do block 42001 ? 43000. 

Pip!Squeak





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 30 15:03:20 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:03:20 -0000
Subject: October Status and Progress Report
Message-ID: <aposbo+j26f@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

We've been FAQing our brains out for a little over a month, so maybe 
it's time for a status and progress report.  Forget about raises, 
bonuses, vacation time, health insurance -- nothing makes workers 
happier than detailed periodic status and progress reports, right?  

Right.  So here's where we are and here's where we're headed.

PERSONNEL

We have a new FAQ member who is probably trembling with anxiety at 
the prospect of having her de-lurk posted for all to see.  Welcome 
aboard, Ali!

At this point, we have 11 active cataloguers ? Amy, Catherine, 
Cindy, Debbie, Dicey, Eileen, Elkins, Eloise, Kimberly, Penny and 
Pip.  I'm thinking we probably don't need any additional people, 
although we do have one invitation outstanding but haven't heard 
back.  We also have a core group of link checkers and coders in 
Barb, Jen, Joy, Marina, Parker, Porphyria and Sheryll.

CATALOGUING

Of the 21 message blocks from 25,000-46,000, all but 5 have been 
checked out.  Five are completed.  

Of the 21,000 messages we set out to catalogue, we've catalogued 
around 6,000, which is very good progress (28%).  If we continue at 
the same rate (allowing for a slow-down around the winter holidays), 
we might finish cataloguing (Phase I) by the end of January.  

At which point we can start doing what we all came here to do ?- 
writing some FAQs (Phase II)!

That said, it would be great if we could find a way to move more 
quickly to finish the cataloguing.  After all, if we start writing 
FAQs in February, we'll be hard-pressed to write all of the new FAQs 
and update the old ones before an OoP summer release.

So what does everyone think?  Is there anyone who doesn't have time 
to do a complete message block but who would be able to take a 
smaller chunk?  Is anyone encountering any problems in the 
cataloguing process?  Any ideas about how to streamline things?  Any 
helpful tips based on experience with the process so far?  Are there 
any problems that keep coming up in the cataloguing that we could 
try to address?

Once we've finished writing new FAQs and updating old ones, we can 
turn our attention to cataloguing the posts that pre-date Message 
25,000 and cataloguing messages after 45,000 (Phase III).

THE MOVE TO THE FA SERVERS

We're aiming to move the FAQs to the Fiction Alley servers by 
November 15 to coincide with the release in the CoS movie and the 
anticipated membership spike.  We'll need to put all of the old FAQs 
onto the new "Fantastic Posts" templates Porphyria has worked up 
(Porphyria will explain the templates in a separate message).  We're 
hoping to have as many of the old FAQs coded and link-checked by 
then, but a few of them will be loaded in their current form and 
coded to have their message citations lined after the move to 
Fiction Alley.

As for the new FAQs, the launch will include new FAQs for Pettigrew, 
Black, Mysteries, History, Weasley Family and Snape.  Lupin is still 
in progress, so we'll launch him when he's ready.

Housekeeping tasks for finishing off the move will be to draft an 
ADMIN for the main list, finish as much coding and link-checking as 
we can, and revise the Humongous BigFile to include the new 
Fantastic Post link.  Once we've moved everything, Steve can take 
the old FAQ site off of the Lexicon server.

We're also going to move Hypothetic Alley from the ADMIN files area 
of the main list to the new FAQ site.  Since HA is essentially a FAQ 
(a compilation of posts from the main list), it makes some sense to 
house it with the FAQs, especially since more newbies are likely to 
find it that way.  Also, for some reason no one can figure out, HA 
is very slow to load in its current location, and some people have 
been unable to read it at all.  Even the new, sexy, stripped down 
version that Porphyria has placed in the FAQ staging area is slow to 
load.  We're hoping that moving it to the new server might help, but 
we don't know for sure.  

So that's where we are.  Thoughts, suggestions, questions?  Go on, 
don't be shy.

Cindy and Elkins





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Wed Oct 30 16:38:08 2002
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:38:08 -0000
Subject: Proposal to Streamline the Department of Fantastic Posts
Message-ID: <app1tg+n3cs@eGroups.com>

Memo
P.Weatherby to B. Crouch

Several proposals for the streamlining of the Department of Fantastic 
Posts for your attention.

1. We are over-staffed. Our employment rolls currently list Mulciber, 
Avery, and Snape, none of whom seem to do any work these days. 

2. We are over-staffed with death eaters. See above. 

3. A reliable FAQer is accusing Snape of sexual harassment.

4. Mulciber is using the Imperius curse on FAQers.

5. Avery has been charging his gum and cigarettes to the Department.

Given this situation, I ask that you remove Messrs. Mulciber, Avery, 
and Snape from their current positions with the department.

Yours sincerely,

Weatherby

Memo
B. Crouch to P. Weatherby

Why are you writing this when you've been asked for a progess report? 
You haven't been cataloguing, Weatherby, have you?

Crouch

Memo
P. Weatherby to B. Crouch

Given midterms and essays, I haven't had much time to do so, sir. I'm 
very sorry. 

Weatherby

Memo 
B. Crouch to P. Weatherby

I expect better of my employees, Weatherby. This is not the 
Department of Magical Games and Sports. Now, if you'll make me a cup 
of tea, I think I will have time to review your first block, and you 
can get back to work on your second block.

Crouch 

Memo
P. Weatherby to B. Crouch

Yes Sir! Right Away!

Weatherby




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Oct 30 22:46:31 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:46:31 -0000
Subject: Hermione and Geography Link Checkers Needed!
Message-ID: <appng7+fkuk@eGroups.com>

Great news!  Jen P. has finished up the coding on the Hermione and 
Geography FAQs!  <thunderous applause!>  Thanks *so* much, Jen!

Would anyone like to do a link check on these Most Marvelous FAQs?  
Anyone, anyone?

Cindy




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Oct 31 00:12:34 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:12:34 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Hermione and Geography Link Checkers Needed!
In-Reply-To: <appng7+fkuk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7468A026-EC65-11D6-AA87-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Cindy C. wrote:

> Great news!? Jen P. has finished up the coding on the Hermione and
> Geography FAQs!? <thunderous applause!>? Thanks *so* much, Jen!
>
> Would anyone like to do a link check on these Most Marvelous FAQs??
> Anyone, anyone?

Please do volunteer, but keep in mind I haven't uploaded them yet. :-) 
I'll deal with it tonight.

~Porphyria


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Oct 31 03:19:51 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:19:51 -0500
Subject: New look for Fantastic Posts
Message-ID: <9E67064E-EC7F-11D6-AA87-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Greetings all,

We've come up with a new look for all the old and future FAQs that we do. 
Old ones will be converted, future ones will conform. :-) Please read this 
post if you are the editor of an old FAQ or expect to be writing one in 
the future. If you are the editor of an old FAQ, then you can pick what 
sort of color scheme/graphic look your old FAQ will get for the new site 
(see point I.1 below). For future FAQ writers, please just keep this info 
in mind.

Note: I'll be doing the actual HTML coding, so FAQ writers will just have 
to explain to me what they want based on the following options.

In the spirit of Dumbledore who lets his students sing the school song to 
any melody they prefer, we are letting the individual FAQ writers choose 
the color schemes or background graphics for the FAQs they do, while still 
instituting a familial resemblace from FAQ to FAQ. Here are the 
particulars.

I. What the individual FAQ editor can pick:

1. The color scheme, the option of a frame, the option of background 
tiling graphics.

I have provided several sample templates to give you an idea of how 
different each FAQ can look while still having the standard layout.

For the ultimate in understated elegance, you can have the whole 
background just be one color [or white], as in here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template3.html

Or if you, like me, feel more secure with a border wrapped around 
everything, you can add a contrasting frame as in here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template1.html

Or a frame with a tiled background as in here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template2.html

I have provided a selection of background tile-able images in a 
bound-volume theme, so there are ones that simulate parchment, vellum and 
fancy paper, and others that simulate leather book bindings. You can view 
them here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/graphics/

So you can have a paper-background as in this fibery one:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template4.html

Or for something more complicated, a combination of paper background and 
contrasting frame:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template5a.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template5b.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template5c.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-
FAQ/files/SampleTemplates/template5d.html

Note: These last four might not render the inner background on very old or 
non-standard browser windows, but they should still be legible. If anyone 
has any trouble seeing a decent layout on these samples, let me know.

Note on color schemes and link colors: There are 216 colors that will work 
on all color monitors. You can use a site like this to determine what 
looks good:
http://www.zspc.com/color/index-e.html
You can can also just tell me in plain English. Assuming you are not 
choosing background graphics, you can pick out any color pale enough to 
set off black text, with or without a coordinating frame. You can also 
choose coordinating link colors: generally an unvisited like should be 
bright but legible, a visited link should be darker and an active link (at 
the moment of clicking) should be very bright or contrasting.

2. The internal organization of the FAQ material.

Different FAQs will lend themselves to different means of organization. 
Some FAQs are primarily lists of posts, some are more paragraph/essay 
format. Some require lots of charts, bulleted lists and numbered lists, 
some don't. This is the decision of the editor. However, we do recommend 
that all new FAQs come with a Table of Contents at the top that can be 
coded to link to individual sections, and a Back to Top link beneath each 
section to get you back to the ToC.
-----

II. What will be standard on each FAQ:

1. The header: "HPfGU Fantastic Posts" which will link back to the new FAQ 
main page.

2. The footer: Which contains copyright information and my email address 
for reporting errors.

3. The font: I have added a style sheet so that all text will be in either 
Verdana, Ariel or Helvetica, depending on which the user has installed. I 
have picked Verdana as a first choice since it was designed for online 
viewing and I find it very appealing and legible.

All FAQs will have black text on a background pale enough for contrast.

4. The layout: Each will consist of a 600 pixel wide area for the actual 
text which remains centered on the page no matter how big the browser 
window. This way, people can maximize their windows and still be able to 
read the text comfortably. I did this since I find I need to have my 
browser window maximized to read the messages in webview or else they wrap 
funny and look cramped what with all the advertisements and navigational 
material framing them. So this way, someone can maximize their browser 
window and click back and forth from the FAQ to the messages and read 
everything easily.
-----

If anyone sees any potential problems with these, let me know. Thanks!
~Porphyria




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 31 05:58:26 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:58:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Hermione and Geography Link Checkers Needed!
In-Reply-To: <appng7+fkuk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021031055826.97611.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote: >
Great news!  Jen P. has finished up the coding on
> the Hermione and 
> Geography FAQs!  <thunderous applause!>  Thanks *so*
> much, Jen!
> 
> Would anyone like to do a link check on these Most
> Marvelous FAQs?  
> Anyone, anyone?
> 
> Cindy

If they're up and ready for checking for later today
(Thursday), I can go over one of them. Both if they're
not too long. I have an evening shift and it would
help keep my mind occupied during the day.

Sheryll

=====
"We need to be united and strong. We'll have losses and scares, sure. And you'll be there for each other, helping each other through the bad times."
 blpurdom - Harry Potter and the Psychic Serpent, Chapter 26

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Oct 31 07:05:03 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:05:03 -0000
Subject: Hermione and Geography Link Checkers Needed!
In-Reply-To: <20021031055826.97611.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <apqkmv+6op8@eGroups.com>

Sheryll wrote:

> If they're up and ready for checking for later today
> (Thursday), I can go over one of them. Both if they're
> not too long. I have an evening shift and it would
> help keep my mind occupied during the day.

All set for you, Sheryll. Thanks!
~P.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FASe
rversStaging/hermione.html

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/FASe
rversStaging/geography.html




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 31 14:20:16 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:16 -0000
Subject: Unclaimed FAQs?
Message-ID: <apre70+t0f1@eGroups.com>

Some of the older FAQs do not credit the editor of the FAQs.  This 
is the case for the following FAQs:

Predictions
Wands
James and Lily
Book Banning and Controversies
Lawsuits

Does anyone know who wrote these FAQs, or were they a group effort?  
I'd like to credit the editors if we can.

Cindy




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Oct 31 14:23:27 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:23:27 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Unclaimed FAQs?
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1576131540.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

Bookbanning, controversies and lawsuits are me and I can update the suits one to add all the new stuff and some info about wb and their abandoned battkes. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:16 
To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Unclaimed FAQs?

Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>

Some of the older FAQs do not credit the editor of the FAQs.  This 
is the case for the following FAQs:

Predictions
Wands
James and Lily
Book Banning and Controversies
Lawsuits

Does anyone know who wrote these FAQs, or were they a group effort?  
I'd like to credit the editors if we can.

Cindy



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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Oct 31 15:49:44 2002
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:49:44 -0000
Subject: Unclaimed FAQs?
Message-ID: <aprjeo+e59b@eGroups.com>

Heidi:

> Bookbanning, controversies and lawsuits are me and I can update 
>the suits one to add all the new stuff and some info about wb and 
>their abandoned battkes. 

Ah, I should have recognized the IP lawyer's touch in those FAQs!  
They're so clear, so thorough, so . . . so well-reasoned!

Thanks Heidi!  Let's see.  Do you need anything to revise the 
Lawsuits and Controversies FAQs?  Like, uh, does someone need to 
send you a Word version or something, or can you work with it in its 
current form?

Cindy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...>
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:16 
> To: HP4GU-FAQ at y...
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Unclaimed FAQs?
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...>
> 
> Some of the older FAQs do not credit the editor of the FAQs.  This 
> is the case for the following FAQs:
> 
> Predictions
> Wands
> James and Lily
> Book Banning and Controversies
> Lawsuits
> 
> Does anyone know who wrote these FAQs, or were they a group 
effort?  
> I'd like to credit the editors if we can.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at e...
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
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From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Oct 31 15:52:43 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:52:43 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Unclaimed FAQs?
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1576131540.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

I can work with the current form. These faqs are a bit different as they go far beyond posts - there will be citations to otc posts but not significantly as we really don't talk about these things much. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:49:44 
To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Unclaimed FAQs?

Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>

Heidi:

> Bookbanning, controversies and lawsuits are me and I can update 
>the suits one to add all the new stuff and some info about wb and 
>their abandoned battkes. 

Ah, I should have recognized the IP lawyer's touch in those FAQs!  
They're so clear, so thorough, so . . . so well-reasoned!

Thanks Heidi!  Let's see.  Do you need anything to revise the 
Lawsuits and Controversies FAQs?  Like, uh, does someone need to 
send you a Word version or something, or can you work with it in its 
current form?

Cindy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...>
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:20:16 
> To: HP4GU-FAQ at y...
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Unclaimed FAQs?
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...>
> 
> Some of the older FAQs do not credit the editor of the FAQs.  This 
> is the case for the following FAQs:
> 
> Predictions
> Wands
> James and Lily
> Book Banning and Controversies
> Lawsuits
> 
> Does anyone know who wrote these FAQs, or were they a group 
effort?  
> I'd like to credit the editors if we can.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at e...
> 
>  
> 
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From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Oct 31 17:37:39 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:37:39 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Unclaimed FAQs?
Message-ID: <F149wMQFLcVcvIhkeTx00001e63@hotmail.com>

Hi --

Simon did Wands and Predictions.  I believe Heidi did "James & Lily" though 
I see she hasn't claimed credit.

Penny



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From s_ings at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 31 20:49:14 2002
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:49:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Finished checking links
In-Reply-To: <F149wMQFLcVcvIhkeTx00001e63@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20021031204914.66672.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com>

All done and it went fairly quickly. Found only two
links in the Hermione FAQ that didn't lead where they
should. Under #5 the link for 654 goes to message 653
and under #48 the link for 3626 goes to message 3542. 

Sheryll, off to grab a nap before work

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From joyw at gwu.edu  Thu Oct 31 22:35:11 2002
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:35:11 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New look for Fantastic Posts
References: <9E67064E-EC7F-11D6-AA87-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <072e01c2812d$c66f9cb0$8d41a480@Joy>

I love the sample templates... they're gorgeous!  One suggestion, though...
the title graphic is sort of difficult to read.  Maybe experiment with
different fonts in the same style?  Just my two knuts, for whatever they're
worth.

~Joy~







From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Oct 31 23:29:45 2002
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:29:45 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New look for Fantastic Posts
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1036106985.0.91818200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Joy wrote:

> I love the sample templates... they're
> gorgeous! One suggestion, though...
> the title graphic is sort of difficult to
> read. Maybe experiment with
> different fonts in the same style? Just
> my two knuts, for whatever they're
> worth.

I thought the Old English would coordinate well with the ancient tome theme,
as well as Harry Potter in general. Plus I happen to own the rights to use
that particular font. Does anyone else find it too hard to read? Does anyone
want to suggest another font style for me to try?

~Porphyria



From joyw at gwu.edu  Thu Oct 31 23:47:32 2002
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:47:32 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New look for Fantastic Posts
References: <Springmail.0994.1036106985.0.91818200@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <079a01c28137$e14a4300$8d41a480@Joy>

Check out http://www.abstractfonts.com/fonts/?d=Old_English&p=1 (hi, my
name's Joy, and I'm a font addict).  Kingthings, Berliner, Caligrapher,
English Towne, or Sherwood might work.  Don't feel obligated to change
anything because of me, though.  I don't mean to make more work for you.

~Joy~