From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 05:12:51 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:12:51 -0000
Subject: 30000-30500 Finished
Message-ID: <b1fl0j+5sna@eGroups.com>

Ok, I'm leaving on a slow train, a shuttle bus and three jet planes 
in just a few short hours, but I do have a pretty decent idea of when 
I'll be back again.

Not gonna have time to sleep, since I'm an idiot who hasn't exactly 
packed yet (train leaves at 4:35 am), but I've got plenty of time to 
sleep en route, and I finished (only just) 30000-30500, which is 
better than nothing, so I'm feeling pretty good.

See you all in 2 weeks!

Kimberly




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 15:25:59 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 15:25:59 -0000
Subject: Taking Stock
In-Reply-To: <b1fl0j+5sna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b1jda7+qdnt@eGroups.com>

Kimberly declared:

>I finished (only just) 30000-30500, which is better than nothing, 
>so I'm feeling pretty good.

<high fives Kimberly>

Thanks a ton, Kimberly, and have a nice trip.  

You're not going to miss the figure skating world championships, are 
you?  I think it might be Sasha Cohen's time to win one for a 
change.  ;-)

And Elkins, I just *love* what you've done with the February 
colors.  Very, er, *feminine* of you, really.  

<dives behind hot pink couch>  

These Valentine colors make me want to plant a big wet one on 
someone, so you'd all better take cover.  ;-)

OK, folks.  Our deadline of February 1 has come and gone, so it is 
time to take stock.  Can everyone upload their latest catalogues and 
note their progress on their block in the catalogue database?  That 
will make it easier for me to figure out where we are and where we 
might go from here.

Thanks!

Cindy





From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 22:08:18 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:08:18 -0000
Subject: January Progress Report
Message-ID: <b1k4si+fp7m@eGroups.com>

Oh, you guys can really catalogue when you put your minds to it!

At the end of 2002, we had completed a total of 10,132 messages.  
December had been an inactive month for the FAQ team, and we only 
catalogued a measly 2355 messages.

But now look!  It is the beginning of February, and we have 
completed. . . 

<insert trumpet fanfare>

. . . . 16,338!!!!  You know what this means, don't you?  It means 
that we did almost three times as many messages in January as we did 
in December.  In fact, January's totals are higher than any other 
month's totals!

The bad news, though, is that we still have a little over 4000 
messages yet to catalogue.  

Which means we have a decision to make.  

Option 1:  We could continue cataloguing in February.  If we worked 
at the same pace we did in January, we could finish in three weeks.

Option 2:  I could finish up by going through the remaining 4000 
messages in webview and look for *really* Fantastic Posts.  I 
wouldn't read or catalogue everything ?- I would look for posts that 
really were special, either because of the subject matter or (more 
likely) because of the author.  I think I could finish up fairly 
quickly, but the final product would reflect my interests and biases 
to some extent.

Of those two choices, I think I'd prefer just going through quickly 
and making note of the truly Fantastic Posts rather than extending 
the cataloguing period for all of us.  Depending on how fast I work, 
I might even be able to catalogue the messages from 41,000-51,000 as 
well.  In the meantime, you all could begin writing FPs.

What do you all think?  

Cindy





From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sun Feb  2 23:26:32 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak <pipdowns@etchells0.demon.co.uk>)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:26:32 -0000
Subject: January Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <b1k4si+fp7m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b1k9f8+qafg@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" 
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:

> 
> Option 1:  We could continue cataloguing in February.  If we 
> worked at the same pace we did in January, we could finish in 
three weeks.

I have to be honest; I think that at a measley 1,490 posts, I've 
burnt out. 
The 'Missing 24 hours' is making me want to e mail BBoy off list 
with a comment along the lines of 'listen you stupid idiot. Take a 
light plane over the Irish Sea at night in a storm and THEN tell me 
flying a motorbike (with a small baby) over it would be a great 
idea. 

'House Elves are a metaphor for slavery' makes me whimper. Then I 
start banging my head on the oven door.

The discussion over the heraldry of the Gryffindor shield and its 
similarity to the Scottish flag reversed is causing hysterical 
colour blindness.[sorry Eloise and Amanda].

I could probably suffer my way through the last 10 posts to bring it 
up to a round 1,500. But I don't think I could face continuing 
through February.

> 
> Option 2:  I could finish up by going through the remaining 4000 
> messages in webview and look for *really* Fantastic Posts.  I 
> wouldn't read or catalogue everything ?- I would look for posts 
> that really were special, either because of the subject matter or 
> (more likely) because of the author.  I think I could finish up 
> fairly quickly, but the final product would reflect my interests 
> and biases to some extent.
> 
> Of those two choices, I think I'd prefer just going through 
> quickly and making note of the truly Fantastic Posts rather than 
>extending  the cataloguing period for all of us.  Depending on how 
> fast I work, I might even be able to catalogue the messages from 
> 41,000-51,000 as well.  In the meantime, you all could begin 
> writing FPs.
> What do you all think?  
> 
> Cindy

How hard do you want me to beg? 

Will on my knees do? Chocolate eclairs? Posting on the main list 
that 'Cruciatus makes you stronger' was a truly brilliant idea, it 
explains everything, I just never saw the light until now ...

Pip 




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sun Feb  2 23:41:45 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:41:45 -0000
Subject: Taking Stock
In-Reply-To: <b1jda7+qdnt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b1kabp+jhag@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>"
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:

> 
> And Elkins, I just *love* what you've done with the February 
> colors.  Very, er, *feminine* of you, really.  
> 
I was going to *request* that February's colors be lurid pink.  I
mean, what other choice could we have?

--Dicey, diggin' the pink




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Feb  3 23:21:47 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:21:47 -0000
Subject: January Progress Report
In-Reply-To: <b1k9f8+qafg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b1mtib+qc9i@eGroups.com>

Pip pleaded:

>But I don't think I could face continuing 
> through February.

No problem.  I already started preparing "Highlights Catalogues" for 
the unfinished message blocks.  It's a breeze, really.  I did about 
700 today, in fact, and it only took maybe 2 hours, tops.  And, uh, 
a lot of the Outstanding Posts were from people on this list.

I'm shocked, I tell ya.  Shocked.  ;-)


> Will on my knees do? Chocolate eclairs? Posting on the main list 
> that 'Cruciatus makes you stronger' was a truly brilliant idea, it 
> explains everything, I just never saw the light until now ...

Hey, you know what?  Cruciatus makes you stronger is going to be 
vindicated on June 21.  Uh-huh.  You heard it here first.

Cindy




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 19:59:52 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z <lupinesque@yahoo.com>)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:59:52 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  HP4GU-FAQ
Message-ID: <b1p63o+jdao@eGroups.com>

--- In HPfGU-Mod at yahoogroups.com, "dicentra63 <dicentra at x>" 
<dicentra at x> wrote:

>Does anyone know what happened to HP4GU-FAQ? I haven't been able to
>get to it yesterday or today.

It died of an overdose of Pink.

Amy
shielding her eyes and going back to individual e-mails.






From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 21:13:11 2003
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman <catherine@cator-manor.demon.co.uk>)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:13:11 -0000
Subject: Phew!
Message-ID: <b1pad7+krq3@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone,

I had a bit of a marathon session today, and finally (!) completed 
my 1,000.  

I became quite ruthless towards the end, and the posts just flew by, 
so I'd be prepared to do another 500 if need be.

Catherine




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Feb  7 21:31:31 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:31:31 -0000
Subject: New FPs and Highlights Catalogue
In-Reply-To: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b218jj+7p73@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Well, I've been whipping through the uncatalogued messages as fast 
and ruthlessly as I can.  In the meantime, everyone is free to get 
started on their FPs, probably by working out an outline and 
deciding who is going to do what.

Here's the current roster:

Heidi -- Malfoy Family 

Kimberly, Dicey and Pip -- Hagrid
 
Eloise -- Character Names

Debbie and Porphyria -- DEs/Aurors/Justice
 
Elkins/Amy -- Lupin
 
Ali -- Quidditch
 

I think it makes sense for the teams to post outlines and such here 
to the extent they might want comment and feedback.  Thoughts?


Dicey is going to combine all of the spreadsheets into one (provided 
it won't be so big that people can't download it).  If anyone wants 
to get started using the spreadsheets right now, let us know.  If 
not, I'll have Dicey hold off until I finish the remaining messages.

Cindy -- who hasn't decided what she wants to work on




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Feb 11 16:48:23 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:48:23 -0500
Subject: FW: who needs the pwd for the hpfgu.org.uk site?
Message-ID: <04fe01c2d1ed$654f8600$0301a8c0@Frodo>

 

From: heiditandy [mailto:heiditandy at netbox.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:42 AM
To: hpfgu-faq at yahoogroups.com
Subject: who needs the pwd for the hpfgu.org.uk site?


Paul realised he'd forgotten it, so we changed it.
 
Who needs it?


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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Tue Feb 11 17:26:23 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] FW: who needs the pwd for the hpfgu.org.uk site?
In-Reply-To: <04fe01c2d1ed$654f8600$0301a8c0@Frodo>
Message-ID: <F134ED2C-3DE5-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Heidi asked:

> Subject: who needs the pwd for the hpfgu.org.uk site?
>
>
> Paul realised he'd forgotten it, so we changed it.
>
> Who needs it?

I need it for the FP part of the site.
Thanks, Porphyria

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From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Feb 13 17:49:40 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:49:40 -0000
Subject: Good catalog
Message-ID: <b2glrk+5fvh@eGroups.com>

Hey all:

This is just to say that the cataloging work, tiresome though it is,
is creating an amazing document.  I relied heavily on it when doing
research for my "Anatomy of a Rift" post.  Notice that I use lots of
quotes from listmembers -- I got them all from using the catalog!  I
think their words made a great contribution to the post (not to
mention the fact that bboy_mn had already included lots of direct
quotes from the book, so I just had to cut and paste). :D

Also, some of the really good stuff I got wasn't from the Fantastic
Posts that Cindy is now ferreting out. It came from shortish answers
in the middle of something that might seem kind of trivial but for my
purposes was essential, notably Jo Serenadust's observations that Ron
is a saint in Books 1-3.  Her bit about Ron's reaction to the Firebolt
is priceless -- much better than I would have put it -- and the fact
that it was an observation made independently of what I was doing made
it more persuasive, IMO.

Even though finding the more prominent Fantastic Posts is what the
FAQs are all about, the cataloging of the lesser content has its uses,
as I have discovered.  So I vote for eventually going back and
cataloging everything, or nearly everything, just as we have been doing. 

--Dicey, who thinks we'll need to shut down the list for a year just
to catch up




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sat Feb 15 05:07:34 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:07:34 -0500
Subject: Fwd: An update needed on FAQ page
Message-ID: <6485C194-40A3-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Today was 'pick on the FPs day.' Below is an exchange I had with Kate 
the Great.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Porphyria <porphyria at mindspring.com>
> Date: Fri Feb 14, 2003  11:57:37 PM US/Eastern
> To: "Kate The Great" <kateydidnt at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: An update needed on FAQ page
>
> Thanks, Kate. We're in the process of writing a free-standing 
> Quidditch Fantastic Posts page, so I'll ask the editor of that to 
> either rewrite the Snitch part of the Devices page or we'll just link 
> that part to the Quidditch page when it's finished. Glad you're using 
> the FP site, and I hope you're finding it helpful overall.
>
> ~Porphyria
>
> On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 02:49 PM, Kate The Great wrote:
>
>> I was just reading on the HPfGU faq page and saw that on the 
>> "devices" page the paragraph on the Golden Snitch is not updated to 
>> the informtion given on the origin of the snitch in Quidditch Through 
>> the Ages.
>>
>
>>
> <image.tiff>
>>
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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sat Feb 15 05:08:18 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:08:18 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Hypothetic Alley Suggestions
Message-ID: <7F0DA90A-40A3-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>

But no, that wasn't all, I also got this from Tom Wall. I told him I'd 
forward it on here for general perusal.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Thomas Wall <thomasmwall at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri Feb 14, 2003  5:45:30 PM US/Eastern
> To: porphyria at mindspring.com
> Subject: Hypothetic Alley Suggestions
>
> Hi there,
>
> I noticed that you were down as the webmistress for
> Hypothetic Alley, and figured that I should send my
> suggestions along to you personally, instead of to the
> mods generally. I hope you don't mind.
>
> When you update the site, (I understand that this
> can't happen frequently, since there are so many
> different theories sprouting up all over the place) I
> was thinking that it'd be a good idea to include links
> to all of the Evil!character posts and threads that
> have come up, or at least the main or most thorough
> ones. I guess I think that, not only are these posts
> sort-of theories, but it'd also be really nice to have
> an index for them for newcomers to the group, like me.
> ;-)
>
> It's difficult to do a search, for instance, and find
> Elkins' Evil!McGonagall post on the first try. I tried
> that with Evil!Lupin, and got all of the most recent
> uses of that phrase, but had to keep looking backwards
> to find the original post.
>
> I was also thinking that, given all of the
> developments on the Magic Dishwasher front, and the
> spin-offs that have kind-of popped up along the way,
> it might be good, organizationally speaking, to have a
> Spymaster!Dumbledore section or something, with the
> different theories listed under there, for
> convenience. Oh, and on that note, Marina's PRESSURE
> COOKER isn't currently in the Alley, and it's also
> difficult to find it by simply doing a search.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> Tom Wall
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
> http://shopping.yahoo.com
>




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Feb 15 13:48:41 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:48:41 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: New FPs
References: <b218jj+7p73@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01c2d4f8$f3812420$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Hi all --

Cindy suggested we post our outlines here, so below is a very preliminary outline I came up with for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice, as revised to reflect Porphyria's comments.  It's not an organizational outline so much as a list of topics, which I did based on a quick review of what's in the catalogues.  (BTW, the catalogues were very easy to use -- I just used the sort function, which allowed me to search several topic terms at once.  So I can get started without waiting for Dicey's master catalogue.  For some reason, though, I couldn't get my filter to work.)

I'm planning to start on the justice side, and Porphyria will start with the Dark Mark.  

Penny suggested combining Government with this FP.  We're thinking about whether that makes sense.  It fits with the Justice side well, but not as well with the DE side. I had somewhat envisioned the pairing of DEs, Aurors and justice as suggesting a cops and robbers flavor, and there's a lot more to the government FP than law enforcement.  Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?  If we don't combine them, I will do a Government update as part of this project.

Advice on what's left out would be much appreciated.

Debbie

Outline for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice

The DEs:

DE Roll Call
    Names & quick description of all known DEs; add more discussion (or cross-reference) for those that have been discussed frequently
    Who is Loyal Servant, etc.
    Rumored DEs (Bagman etc.)

General DE Questions
  Who are they?  (just inner circle of followers or more?)
  Structure and organization (cells, etc)
  Recruitment (why did they join?  are they a cult?)
  Activities
  Loyalty and competence (e.g., how come they couldn't stun Harry?)
  
DE Magic Theories
  Dark Mark theories
  Power Boost theories

Justice:
    
MLE Department
      Crouch Sr.
      Aurors (Frank L and Real!Moody)
      Others?
      
Crime & Punishment
      Azkaban and Dementors' kiss
      No capital punishment
      Use of unforgivables on suspects  
      
Criminal Procedure
     Pensieve - public or private, trial or other hearings?
     Crouch as judge and prosecutor
     Amnesty International/Kangaroo court parallels
     Jailing without trial
     Failure to use Veritaserum, Priori Incantato to find truth


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From dicentra at xmission.com  Sun Feb 16 05:44:22 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 05:44:22 -0000
Subject: It's ready!
Message-ID: <b2n8fm+4rem@eGroups.com>

Ok folks.  The catalog entries have finally been compiled into one
great whole.  A whole enchilada, to be specific.  The file is
whole_enchilada.zip, it's 432 KB and includes cataloging for the
following posts:

25000-27000
27151-31000
32000-33000
33194-33500
34000-36500
37000-40499 (except 37781-37799)
41000-42000
43001-45000

These numbers include the highlights that Cindy did.

I recommend that everyone download this catalog to their hard drives.
 I downloaded it in about 2.5 minutes using a 56 Kbps connection.

When updates become available, I'll post those as separate files that
you can download and add to your catalogs (cut and paste, then sort).
 That way, you won't have to keep downloading an ever-larger catalog.

If you have a completed block that isn't included in those numbers,
let me know so I can set up the update.

Cheers and Happy FAQing!

--Dicey




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Feb 18 16:01:09 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 16:01:09 -0000
Subject: Woo Hoo!
Message-ID: <b2tlc5+5phh@eGroups.com>

It's finished!  I finished my block!  Finally, finally, finally!  Free
at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm...

...hello, what's this?

An assignment from Cindy to write a FAQ?  

::blink::

<sigh>

Another day in the corps...

--Dicey




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Feb 19 16:26:16 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:26:16 -0000
Subject: Probably Should Have My Head Examined . . . 
Message-ID: <b30b78+433r@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I've been trying to figure out what I should do now that the 
catalogue is complete.  It sounds like most of the FPs we'd like to 
get done are reasonably staffed, so I don't know how much there 
would be to be gained by my joining in on those FPs. 

So I was thinking of working on the . . . Harry Potter FP.

<waits for astonished gasps to die down>

See, I'm thinking I already know plenty about some of my favorite 
subjects, but I really haven't followed Harry threads too closely.  
So doing Harry might be fun.  And it would be nice to have that FP 
finished by OoP.

I'll work up an outline and post it here.  One of these days.

Cindy 




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sun Feb 23 12:24:13 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:24:13 -0500
Subject: Using the Whole Enchilada
Message-ID: <008001c2db36$79c3fec0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Hi all --

I wonder if we could get instructions on doing filters on the Whole Enchilada Catalogue.  I tried to do a sort, but it quit as soon as it reached a painted line, and I couldn't get the filter to work at all.  I could work on the individual catalogues, but I can't open Catherine's and I can't sort Eloise's.

This isn't a rush request, as I've already compiled a very long list of posts to peruse.

Once again proving my technical inadequacies,

Debbie


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From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Sun Feb 23 13:02:09 2003
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:02:09 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Using the Whole Enchilada
In-Reply-To: <008001c2db36$79c3fec0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
References: <008001c2db36$79c3fec0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1G9sPAMRZMW+IwPf@cator-manor.demon.co.uk>

In message <008001c2db36$79c3fec0$723b3244 at arlngt01.va.comcast.net>, 
elfundeb <elfundeb at comcast.net> writes
>Hi all --
>
>I wonder if we could get instructions on doing filters on the Whole
>Enchilada Catalogue.? I tried to do a sort, but it quit as soon as it reached
>a painted line, and I couldn't get the filter to work at all.? I could work on
>the individual catalogues, but I can't open Catherine's and I can't sort
>Eloise's.
>
>This isn't a rush request, as I've already compiled a very long list of posts
>to peruse.
>Once again proving my technical inadequacies,
>Debbie

I think the problem with my catalogue, and Eloise's is that we used 
Works instead of Excel.  I did think that they were completely 
compatible though, both being Microsoft applications (and Works really 
just being a truncated version of Excel).  Certainly, I have imported 
.xls files into Works without any problem.

Is this the case?

Catherine





From dicentra at xmission.com  Sun Feb 23 19:52:10 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:52:10 -0000
Subject: Using the Whole Enchilada
In-Reply-To: <1G9sPAMRZMW+IwPf@cator-manor.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b3b8pa+7bc3@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, Catherine Coleman <catherine at c...>
wrote:
> In message <008001c2db36$79c3fec0$723b3244 at a...>, 
> elfundeb <elfundeb at c...> writes
> >Hi all --
> >
> >I wonder if we could get instructions on doing filters on the Whole
> >Enchilada Catalogue.  I tried to do a sort, but it quit as soon as
it reached
> >a painted line, and I couldn't get the filter to work at all.  
> >
> 
> I think the problem with my catalogue, and Eloise's is that we used 
> Works instead of Excel.  I did think that they were completely 
> compatible though, both being Microsoft applications (and Works really 
> just being a truncated version of Excel).  Certainly, I have imported 
> .xls files into Works without any problem.
> 

If you're using the whole_enchilada.zip that I uploaded, there should
be no colored lines.  I went through and deleted them all. 

When compiling the thing, I ended up having to export it to text-only,
then import it as a new file because there was something wrong with it
-- it wouldn't let me sort even two consecutive rows.  So whatever
weird stuff might have been in the files due to different versions of
Excel, those were purged when I exported to text (tab-separated).

To look for stuff, first you position your cursor somewhere in the
first row of terms (just one cell), then hit the sort button.  Or, you
select the whole table, then select "Data | Sort" from the main menu
and configure it to sort by the B column.  Now everything is sorted
alphabetically by the terms in the first term column.

You can either scroll down until you find the desired term, or you can
hit CTRL + F to call up the "Find" dialog box.

You'll need to do this three times, once for each column.

BTW, the whole_enchilada.zip that I uploaded has two copies of all the
35000s.  I'll upload a corrected version in a second, here. 

--Dicey




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Sun Feb 23 19:57:52 2003
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 23 Feb 2003 19:57:52 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1046030272.191164.71727.w61@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
group.

  File        : /whole_enchilada.zip 
  Uploaded by : dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com> 
  Description : Whole Enchilada to 23 Feb 2003 

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/files/whole_enchilada.zip 

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com>
 







From dicentra at xmission.com  Sun Feb 23 20:03:15 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:03:15 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1046030272.191164.71727.w61@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <b3b9e3+flvu@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
> group.
> 
>   File        : /whole_enchilada.zip 
>   Uploaded by : dicentra63 <dicentra at x...> 
>   Description : Whole Enchilada to 23 Feb 2003 
> 
OK.  I know I said I wasn't going to upload new versions of the
whole_enchilada.zip, but that was before I knew I'd have to *take out*
something from the original, a wholly different situation than adding
stuff.

Just FWI, this second version has the duplicate 35000s removed, the
last 88 of the 37000s added in, and I've also done some minor editing
to make the terms similar, such as changing "werewolves" to "werewolf"
and "Sirius" to "Black".

And there are no colored rows therein.

--Dicey




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Feb 23 20:36:15 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:36:15 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Using the Whole Enchilada
Message-ID: <1c1.581dcd1.2b8a8abf@aol.com>

In a message dated 23/02/2003 19:53:11 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> To look for stuff, first you position your cursor somewhere in the
> first row of terms (just one cell), then hit the sort button.  Or, you
> select the whole table, then select "Data | Sort" from the main menu
> and configure it to sort by the B column.  Now everything is sorted
> alphabetically by the terms in the first term column.
> 
> You can either scroll down until you find the desired term, or you can
> hit CTRL + F to call up the "Find" dialog box.
> 
> You'll need to do this three times, once for each column.
> 

I had no problem at all in sorting (there's a first!) except.......

Well, there had to be something, didn't there........;-)

There is (or at least in the first version there was) a solid line separating 
the message numbers from the topic terms. 

The sorting's fine, but (at least in Works), you can't then select rows from 
*all* the columns at once to paste them into a new document. In making my own 
etymology catalogue, I had to copy and paste the message numbers separately, 
which wasn't a big deal, but did take several attempts and mistakes before I 
got them properly aligned.

If for any reason Excel-users want to use my or Catherine's original 
catalogues, the trick is to open it by right clicking and then selecting 
Excel when asked what you want to open it as. I have to do the reverse (open 
as a Works document) to use the Whole Enchilada.

~Eloise


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From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Feb 24 02:38:53 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:38:53 -0000
Subject: Using the Whole Enchilada
In-Reply-To: <1c1.581dcd1.2b8a8abf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b3c0jt+sh0v@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> Well, there had to be something, didn't there........;-)
> 
> There is (or at least in the first version there was) a solid line
separating 
> the message numbers from the topic terms. 

If you want to get rid of that line, position your cursor in the cell
B2.  Then go to Window and select Unfreeze Panes.  If Unfreeze Panes
isn't in Window, look for it in the other menus.  
> 
> The sorting's fine, but (at least in Works), you can't then select
rows from 
> *all* the columns at once to paste them into a new document. In
making my own 
> etymology catalogue, I had to copy and paste the message numbers
separately, 
> which wasn't a big deal, but did take several attempts and mistakes
before I 
> got them properly aligned.
> 
You can't select the row numbers (not the number column), thereby
selecting the whole row?  Huh.

> If for any reason Excel-users want to use my or Catherine's original 
> catalogues, the trick is to open it by right clicking and then
selecting 
> Excel when asked what you want to open it as. I have to do the
reverse (open 
> as a Works document) to use the Whole Enchilada.

I discovered that I could open Eloise's document from Excel 2000 but
not Excel XP.  Beats me why.  Excel XP couldn't recognize it as an
Excel doc.  I had to save it out in Excel 2000 and resave it as a
native Excel doc, then mail it to my home computer (which runs XP)
before I could open it.

Microsoft is our friend.

--Dicey, choking on that last statement





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Feb 24 07:16:08 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 02:16:08 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Using the Whole Enchilada
Message-ID: <121.1ee21638.2b8b20b8@aol.com>

In a message dated 24/02/2003 02:40:37 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> You can't select the row numbers (not the number column), thereby
> selecting the whole row?  Huh.
> 

Ah. Didn't think of that one. 

Can you select multiple rows?
I can't check, because at the moment my computer's on a go-slow and is 
refusing to open the Whole Enchilada at all.
I was just doing it by highlighting the block I wanted and copying and 
pasting. 
You know I don't *know* how to do any of this!

~Eloise


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From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Feb 24 15:45:03 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:45:03 -0000
Subject: Using the Whole Enchilada
In-Reply-To: <121.1ee21638.2b8b20b8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b3delv+8cid@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 24/02/2003 02:40:37 GMT Standard Time, 
> dicentra at x... writes:
> 
> 
> > You can't select the row numbers (not the number column), thereby
> > selecting the whole row?  Huh.
> > 
> 
> Ah. Didn't think of that one. 
> 
> Can you select multiple rows?
> I can't check, because at the moment my computer's on a go-slow and is 
> refusing to open the Whole Enchilada at all.
> I was just doing it by highlighting the block I wanted and copying and 
> pasting. 
> You know I don't *know* how to do any of this!
> 
This is how you select multiple rows:

If the rows are contiguous, select the first row by clicking its
number. While holding down the Shift key, click the last row that you
want.  All the rows between the first and the last will be selected as
well.  Cut or copy, then paste where you want.  Be careful, though: if
you're pasting to empty rows, you're OK, but if you want to insert the
rows, you'll have to select "Insert | Rows"; otherwise, the pasted
rows will overwrite the existing rows.

If the rows are not contiguous, select the first row by clicking its
number.  While holding down the CTRL key, click the rows of all the
other rows you want.  Only the rows you click should be selected.
Copy or cut and paste as usual.

Hope that helps.

--Dicey




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Feb 24 21:11:23 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:11:23 -0000
Subject: Using the Whole Enchilada
In-Reply-To: <b3delv+8cid@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b3e1pr+elke@eGroups.com>

Quick reminder, everyone.

The lovely Porphyria created a file some time back explaining how to 
format your FP so everything will work later.  Now is probably the 
time to review it.

Cindy