From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 16:39:47 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 16:39:47 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
Message-ID: <av1q0j+41lf@eGroups.com>

Now that you've changed the colors for January, I have to complain
that the yellow is far too cheerful for such a month as this.  Can you
go to a light gray or a cold lavender?

I will say I am impressed at your promptness, though.

--Dicey, aware that Cindy can't whack her until she gets home




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 17:02:52 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2 <elfundeb@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:02:52 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1q0j+41lf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1rbs+16us@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "dicentra63 <dicentra at x>" 
<dicentra at x> wrote:
> Now that you've changed the colors for January, I have to complain
> that the yellow is far too cheerful for such a month as this.  Can 
you
> go to a light gray or a cold lavender?
> 
> I will say I am impressed at your promptness, though.
> 
> --Dicey, aware that Cindy can't whack her until she gets home

Yellow?  All my screen shows is a cold, icy blue, which exactly 
matches those cardboard cutout snowflakes used to decorate school 
bulletin boards.  Perfect for January.

Or did the Lasik leave me colorblind?

Happy new year to all,

Debbie




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 17:17:38 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:17:38 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1rbs+16us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1s7i+pb8s@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb2 <elfundeb at c...>"
<elfundeb at c...> wrote:
> 
> Yellow?  All my screen shows is a cold, icy blue, which exactly 
> matches those cardboard cutout snowflakes used to decorate school 
> bulletin boards.  Perfect for January.
> 
> Or did the Lasik leave me colorblind?
> 
Must be the latter.  I'm getting a very definitive yellow, even though
the stripe across the top that says "HP4GU-FAQ" is gray as gray.

--Dicey, whose perceptions are the default by which everything else is
measured




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 17:20:46 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:20:46 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1s7i+pb8s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1sde+g27r@eGroups.com>

Happy New Year!

>I'm getting a very definitive yellow, even though
> the stripe across the top that says "HP4GU-FAQ" is gray as gray.
> 

Hey, blame Elkins for the yellow!  Must be all that Western Living.  
Are the cala lillies in bloom in Portland or something, Elkins?  ;-)

I made the colors much more bleak, so let me know if they have 
sucked the happiness from your souls as I intended.  ;-)

Cindy -- thinking we still need more blah colors like white and grey 
instead of this robin's egg blue





From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 17:37:21 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:37:21 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1sde+g27r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1tch+kq24@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>"
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:
> Happy New Year!
> 
> >I'm getting a very definitive yellow, even though
> > the stripe across the top that says "HP4GU-FAQ" is gray as gray.
> > 
> 
> Hey, blame Elkins for the yellow!  Must be all that Western Living.  
> Are the cala lillies in bloom in Portland or something, Elkins?  ;-)
> 
> I made the colors much more bleak, so let me know if they have 
> sucked the happiness from your souls as I intended.  ;-)
> 
> Cindy -- thinking we still need more blah colors like white and grey 
> instead of this robin's egg blue

Tell Elkins she can get her cheer by looking out all her undressed
windows.  If it's gloomy outside, it needs to be gloomy inside, to
match the mood.  Otherwise, it grates on the soul like a cheerful
person at 6am.

Nope.  It's Dementor Days.  We might as well face it.

--Dicentra, who is depressed by the cloudless day in SLC--we need the
dang precip!




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 17:39:41 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:39:41 -0000
Subject: Term Change
Message-ID: <av1tgt+qqop@eGroups.com>

I'm going to change "rule-breaking" to "rules."  I'm plowing through a
whole pile of Percy posts, and "rule-breaking" doesn't seem to sit right.

I don't know if I can change other people's files--if I can without
having to re-upload them in my name, I'll do it.  Otherwise, please do
a search and replace on your own stuff.

Thanks for humoring ol' Dicey.




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 17:48:25 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:48:25 -0000
Subject: Term Change
In-Reply-To: <av1tgt+qqop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1u19+u915@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "dicentra63 <dicentra at x>"
<dicentra at x> wrote:
> I'm going to change "rule-breaking" to "rules."  I'm plowing through a
> whole pile of Percy posts, and "rule-breaking" doesn't seem to sit
right.
> 
> I don't know if I can change other people's files--if I can without
> having to re-upload them in my name, I'll do it.  Otherwise, please do
> a search and replace on your own stuff.

It turns out that I can't change other people's files.  Please go
through and do a search and replace to change "rule-breaking" to
"rules."  (Use CTRL + H)  Do it one at a time (don't hit "replace
all") because we don't want "rule-breaking" in the comment field to be
changed.

Nothing like making a lot of work for other people. :D

--Dicey, who must have everything go her way




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Jan  2 17:58:26 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson <eloiseherisson@aol.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:58:26 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1tch+kq24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av1uk2+ieve@eGroups.com>

> Tell Elkins she can get her cheer by looking out all her undressed
> windows.  If it's gloomy outside, it needs to be gloomy inside, to
> match the mood.  Otherwise, it grates on the soul like a cheerful
> person at 6am.
> 
> Nope.  It's Dementor Days.  We might as well face it.
> 
> --Dicentra, who is depressed by the cloudless day in SLC--we need 
the
> dang precip!


You can have some of our precipitation!

We've been having unseasonally mild weather, gloomy skies and too 
much rain. I'll pretend that little blue strip is blue sky. Perhaps 
it will prevent me suffering from SAD! Fortunately we're too high to 
be flooded, unlike a lot of other folks round here who are reduced to 
travelling by boat. 

Eloise





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 18:28:58 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2 <elfundeb@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:28:58 -0000
Subject: Term Change
In-Reply-To: <av1u19+u915@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av20da+7d6r@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "dicentra63 <dicentra at x>" wrote:

> It turns out that I can't change other people's files.  Please go
> through and do a search and replace to change "rule-breaking" to
> "rules."  (Use CTRL + H)  Do it one at a time (don't hit "replace
> all") because we don't want "rule-breaking" in the comment field to 
be
> changed.
> 
> Nothing like making a lot of work for other people. :D
> 
Erm, I don't want to throw a monkey wrench into a well-greased 
machine, but I thought the rules said we were to work within the 
existing topic terms whenever possible.  And I wonder whether this 
change is really necessary.  Using "rule-breaking" as a topic term 
for Percy's rule-following doesn't seem to me to be any different 
from using "wealth" to discuss the Weasleys' poverty:  both are 
opposites, and I don't see how a person looking for the correct topic 
term to punch in for Percy and rules would not figure out very 
quickly that the cataloguing term is "rule-breaking".  I've tried 
*very* hard to use the existing topic terms, even though many of them 
are not perfect, because, well, like Percy I thought I had to follow 
the rules. <g>

To tell the truth, because of various computer quirks and the fact 
that my catalogue is full of discussions of rule-breaking and rule-
following, it's going to take some time to redo all 2200+ posts to 
date.  So I'm throwing my body down in the road and begging for mercy.

Debbie
waiting to be trampled







From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan  2 18:59:56 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 18:59:56 -0000
Subject: Term Change
In-Reply-To: <av20da+7d6r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av227c+qa1u@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb2 <elfundeb at c...>"
<elfundeb at c...> wrote:
> > 
> Erm, I don't want to throw a monkey wrench into a well-greased 
> machine, but I thought the rules said we were to work within the 
> existing topic terms whenever possible.  

<sigh>  You're right.  It's just that "rule-breaking" is a subset of
"rules", not its opposite.  It was bugging me, OK?  I'm having more of
a Hermione moment than a Percy one.

> To tell the truth, because of various computer quirks and the fact 
> that my catalogue is full of discussions of rule-breaking and rule-
> following, it's going to take some time to redo all 2200+ posts to 
> date.  So I'm throwing my body down in the road and begging for mercy.

If the group wants to stay with "rule-breaking", I'll go along with
that.  I'll assume that silence means consent (with the status quo,
that is).

--Dicentra




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jan  2 19:09:16 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak <pipdowns@etchells0.demon.co.uk>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:09:16 -0000
Subject: perfunctory color whinge
In-Reply-To: <av1tch+kq24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av22os+1tb6@eGroups.com>


> 
> Nope.  It's Dementor Days.  We might as well face it.
> 
> --Dicentra, who is depressed by the cloudless day in SLC--we need 
the
> dang precip!

You should come over to the UK. There are so many flood warnings out 
that the entire island appears to be sinking slowly into the sea. 

We may become a modern Atlantis if this goes on; a very very slow 
Atlantis, where we spend ages wading through water before deciding 
that yes, Britain has sunk. [grin]


Pip





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Jan  2 19:54:32 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 14:54:32 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Term Change
Message-ID: <17c.148778ee.2b45f2f8@aol.com>

In a message dated 02/01/2003 19:00:58 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> <sigh>  You're right.  It's just that "rule-breaking" is a subset of
> "rules", not its opposite.  It was bugging me, OK?  I'm having more of
> a Hermione moment than a Percy one.
> 
> 
> If the group wants to stay with "rule-breaking", I'll go along with
> that.  I'll assume that silence means consent (with the status quo,
> that is).

Does it matter *that* much if we have both terms, in the greater scheme of 
things?
I know we're trying to keep them to a minimum, but I think we're all adult 
enough not to start a flood of duplicate terms on the basis of one precedent 
- aren't we? Please say we are!  ;-) And they're going to come out next to 
each other in a search, aren't they? Just like variant  American and British 
spellings and we're not worrying about those. (Are we? I can't spell in 
American without thinking about it!).

~Eloise
Who's had enough crises of her own about such matters to be sympathetic to 
both sides.






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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 20:45:01 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2 <elfundeb@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 20:45:01 -0000
Subject: Term Change
In-Reply-To: <17c.148778ee.2b45f2f8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <av28cd+ho1b@eGroups.com>


> In a message dated 02/01/2003 19:00:58 GMT Standard Time, 
> dicentra at x... writes:
> 
> 
> > <sigh>  You're right.  It's just that "rule-breaking" is a subset 
of
> > "rules", not its opposite.  It was bugging me, OK?  I'm having 
more of
> > a Hermione moment than a Percy one.

Yes, I can completely sympathize with this.  I've had my own Hermione 
moments in this process, though I've tried to subdue them.  
> > 
And Eloise added:
> 
> Does it matter *that* much if we have both terms, in the greater 
scheme of 
> things?
> I know we're trying to keep them to a minimum, but I think we're 
all adult 
> enough not to start a flood of duplicate terms on the basis of one 
precedent 
> - aren't we? Please say we are!  ;-) And they're going to come out 
next to 
> each other in a search, aren't they? Just like variant  American 
and British 
> spellings and we're not worrying about those. (Are we? I can't 
spell in 
> American without thinking about it!).

With so many of us working on this project, inconsistencies and 
duplication are bound to occur no matter how hard we try to avoid 
it.  Perhaps the best way to handle all of these issues is for each 
of us to just do our best, and then when the cataloguing is done for 
one or two people to sift through the catalogues and topic terms and 
try to streamline and harmonize them to the extent possible.  That 
would be much more efficient than for us to go back and fix our 
catalogues each time we come up with a better descriptive term.  Then 
when we get ready to start the OoP phase catalogue <vbg>, we will 
have a much better list to work with.  Thoughts?


Debbie
noting that the new grey colour matches the local weather, and that 
she would gladly have sent Dicey the rain that flooded her basement 
last night> 





From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan  3 21:02:48 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:02:48 -0000
Subject: Ready . . . Aim . . . 
Message-ID: <av4tpo+afbf@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I'm planning to post an ADMIN announcing the move to the FA server 
tonight.  Neil is poised to revise the HBF accordingly.

Steve, can you replace the Lexicon FP page with a re-direct or 
something that takes people to the new FA page?  Anytime this 
weekend, if that's convenient for you.

And Steve?

Thank you *so much* for helping us launch the new FPs in November.  
I know it was mightily inconvenient for you, and I really do 
appreciate all the work you put in on such a tight deadline.

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jan  3 23:27:17 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 23:27:17 -0000
Subject: Patricide, matricide and various-other-members-of-your-family-cide
In-Reply-To: <ankuc8+qi9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <av568l+o7v6@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> Having just strayed across another one of Cindy's posts (this one is 
> her theory that Hagrid's father was actually killed by his mother), 
> can anyone think of a category for general family slaughter?

Did we ever come up with a term for this?  Cuz I need it.

--Dicentra, favoring parricide




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sat Jan  4 01:35:45 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 01:35:45 -0000
Subject: "And How Are We Feeling Today?"
Message-ID: <av5dph+8g1q@eGroups.com>

"*CLEAR!!!*"

"It's not working, Doctor.  We're losing her!"

"Dammit!  Charge to 400! . . . 

"*CLEAR!!!*"

"Still nothing, Doctor . . . . She's been down a long time.  I think 
we've done all we can do."

"Hang on.  What's that in her hand?"  George wriggled the parchment 
from Cindy's hand and unfurled it, squinting at the tiny typeface.

"I don't believe it!" he exclaimed.  "It's . . . it's the December 
Progress Report!"

Just then, a low moan rose from the gurney.  "What . . . what 
happened?" Cindy croaked, blinking into the light.

"You were out cold," George explained, taking her pulse with his 
slender fingers.  "Some sort of adverse reaction to cataloguing, we 
think.  Very rare.  As soon as we took that progress report away 
from you, you came around.  I've never seen anything like it in my 
six weeks of medical practice."

"Oh, it was *weird,*" Cindy said in a hoarse voice, pushing herself 
up on one elbow.  "I was cataloguing, and everything was fine.  And 
then I hit this theory about Dumbledore masterminding Voldemort's 
return, and Voldemort feeding Harry a load of misinformation.  And I 
had this powerful feeling to just go toward the light -? the light 
streaming from an especially banged-up kitchen appliance. And 
everyone started *arguing,* and there was this Wolf snapping at 
everyone, and then everything went dark."

"Well, that's it then," George said, pushing Cindy back down onto 
the gurney.  "If you keep cataloguing, the next time you might not 
be so lucky -? and it will finish you for sure."

"No," Cindy said weakly, struggling to sit up and swinging her legs 
over the edge of the gurney.  "No, I *must* do another message 
block.  We're almost finished with this catalogue.  I'll be all 
right.  The next message block won't have any MAGICDISHWASHER in 
it.  It's perfectly safe."

"You don't know that!"

"It's worth the risk.  You have to discharge me and sign me up for 
more cataloguing!"

"I'm doing this against my better judgment," George warned.  

"Er, what better judgment would that be?"

"GET OUT BEFORE I THROW YOU OUT!"

"Boy," Cindy muttered as she shrugged on her jacket and picked up a 
new message block.  "They don't teach these new doctors *anything* 
about bedside manners these days."

*******************

Yes.  Well.  Right.   The December Progress Report.

Actually, the news is much better than you might expect.  We 
completed three new message blocks, for a total of 2355 messages 
catalogued in December.  When added to our November totals, we have 
now completed 10,132 messages out of the 21,000 we set out to do.  
That means we are about 48% finished.

<waits for pained groans and moans of despair to die down>

Hey, hey, don't groan like that!  We just finished the exam period 
and the holidays.  Many of us had houseguests or were houseguests, 
and many of us had gifts to buy.  The stores were crowded, the lines 
were long, the traffic was horrible, and there just wasn't much time 
to snuggle up to our computers.

But now it is January.  The sky is grey.  The wind is howling.  
There is *nothing* to do.  Except catalogue, that is.

So there is only one thing to do when it is time to motivate folks 
to dig down deep and part with something you desperately want from 
them -? their time.  I'll bet you all know what is coming . . . 

*A Pledge Drive!*

That's right, the FAQ list's Inaugural Pledge Drive!  We'll all 
commit publicly to finish a certain number of messages in the 
remaining days of January!  Oh, imagine the camaraderie as we all 
stare at our computers, frantically cataloguing messages, watching 
the pages of our desk calendars turn relentlessly!  And before you 
know it, it will be February 1, 2003, the date we set off for the 
completion of the cataloging!  And then we'll start *writing* FAQs!

OK, I will go first.  In January, I will catalogue *1000* additional 
messages!

<waits for excited murmuring to die down>

Who's next?  One at a time, folks, one at a time.  Don't everyone 
try to go at once!  ;-)

Cindy





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan  4 14:57:04 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:57:04 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] "And How Are We Feeling Today?"
Message-ID: <3d.29fd65f5.2b485040@aol.com>


> *A Pledge Drive!*
> 
> That's right, the FAQ list's Inaugural Pledge Drive! <>
> OK, I will go first.  In January, I will catalogue *1000* additional 
> messages!
> 
> <waits for excited murmuring to die down>
> 
> Who's next?  One at a time, folks, one at a time.  Don't everyone 
> try to go at once!  ;-)
> 
Okay.
I don't usually make New Year resolutions, but as it happened I had decided 
that it was time to take control of my life and that part of that would be to 
do some course work *and* some cataloguing every day (rather than constantly 
feeling guilty about whichever I wasn't doing - frequently both!)

With that in mind.......I'd paused halfway through a block. I'll finish that 
one and commit myself to another 500. If I find I can do more, I will. 

Are you going to allocate these? There was only one unclaimed block last time 
I looked. Are we going to share some of the ones that are taking longer to 
finish or that people have put on hold to do other things? 

Eloise
Trying very hard to look excited at the prospect.
And thinking that Dicey should just go with parricide (I don't think we ever 
did come to a consensus).


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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Jan  4 20:05:33 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Pledge Drive
References: <3d.29fd65f5.2b485040@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c2b42c$a3e5c3e0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>


  Cindy:

  > OK, I will go first.  In January, I will catalogue *1000* additional 
  > messages!
  > 
  > <waits for excited murmuring to die down>
  > 
  Eloise:

  I'd paused halfway through a block. I'll finish that 
  one and commit myself to another 500. If I find I can do more, I will.

  <Trying very hard to look excited at the prospect.>

  Me:

I see the pace has been set at a punishing 1000 posts per person.  I'm committed to finishing my current block (750 to go as of 1/1/03), and if there's another 250 to be siphoned off from someone else who's been diverted to other work, I'll take that, too.  

<contemplating expediting completion of present message block by simply coding "Twins" and "Bullying" into every line, as accuracy loss would be minimal. ;-}>

Debbie, aka E.L.F.U.N.D.E.B. (Earnestly Logging FPs, Uploading Nicely, Deb's Exceedingly Boring)



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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Jan  4 20:18:16 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 20:18:16 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <001f01c2b42c$a3e5c3e0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <av7fi8+t79j@eGroups.com>


   Cindy:    OK, I will go first.  In January, I will catalogue 
*1000* additional messages!
 
 <waits for excited murmuring to die down>

  Eloise:
   I'd paused halfway through a block. I'll finish that  one and 
commit myself to another 500. If I find I can do more, I will.
 
   <Trying very hard to look excited at the prospect.>
 
Debbie:

I see the pace has been set at a punishing 1000 posts per person.  
I'm committed to finishing my current block (750 to go as of 1/1/03), 
and if there's another 250 to be siphoned off from someone else who's 
been diverted to other work, I'll take that, too.  
 
 <contemplating expediting completion of present message block by 
simply coding "Twins" and "Bullying" into every line, as accuracy 
loss would be minimal. ;-}>

me:

(shifting very guiltily in seat).

New Year Resolutions? naah, I always break them. But, I am determined 
to start working for my course which means getting an assignment done 
for Thursday. Then, it's to finish my Quidditch FAQ by the end of 
January. I think I've started writing it, but it might have been 
another Quidditch post so I need to check my "in progress" pile - 
currently hidden as I've got people staying and am pretending to be
a) tidy and
b) not hooked on Harry.

After all that I have an as yet unstarted block of 1000 I need to 
start on - oh yeah, and mock exams in February.

Ali feeling hassled but off to eat an Indian takeaway  accompanied by 
a bottle of wine to console herself.




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jan  4 22:05:50 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:05:50 -0000
Subject: "And How Are We Feeling Today?"
In-Reply-To: <3d.29fd65f5.2b485040@aol.com>
Message-ID: <av7lru+77ib@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> And thinking that Dicey should just go with parricide (I don't think
we ever did come to a consensus).

I went ahead and added Parricide to the database.  

And I pledge the remaining 434 of my block.  I'll do more if I can.

--Dicey




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sat Jan  4 23:47:52 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:47:52 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive (WAS "And How Are We Feeling Today?")
In-Reply-To: <3d.29fd65f5.2b485040@aol.com>
Message-ID: <av7rr8+u0qi@eGroups.com>

Eloise:

> Are you going to allocate these? There was only one unclaimed 
>block last time I looked. 



Hmmm.  Good question.  Is there anyone who has signed out a block 
but not completed it yet who would like to split it with another 
willing and eager volunteer?  

Cindy




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Jan  5 00:42:53 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:42:53 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive (WAS "And How Are We Feeling Today?")
References: <av7rr8+u0qi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <022b01c2b453$61f55af0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi all --

<<<<Eloise:

> Are you going to allocate these? There was only one unclaimed 
>block last time I looked. 



Hmmm.  Good question.  Is there anyone who has signed out a block 
but not completed it yet who would like to split it with another 
willing and eager volunteer?>>>>>>

Well, I was going to "pledge" to complete my existing block of messages (750 or thereabouts to go), but with Nimbus Programming work likely to be taking up much of time from now until Feb, I'd be happy enough if someone wanted to take Messages 27,500 - 28,000.  I can *definitely catalogue the remaining 250 or so to get to 27,500.  I'm sorry I've been so lax, but Nimbus has taken up far more of my time in the last 6 mths than I might have imagined.  :--)

Penny  


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan  5 10:21:24 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 05:21:24 EST
Subject: Early one morning
Message-ID: <141.6e6aff1.2b496124@aol.com>


**************************
Early one morning, just as the sun was rising,
I heard a FAQer sing in the office below.
Oh, will it never end? I'm going round the bend!
Just one more month of cataloguing woe.

English folk song (loosely adapted).

***********************
"You're looking mighty smug, Eloise", commented Cindy. "What are you up to?"

"Oh, just a bit of cataloguing. Thought I'd get up early and get a few posts 
under my belt...you know. I was just about to leave, actually."

"But it's only 9.30 am. You can't be leaving yet! You told me you were going 
to catalogue 1000 posts by the end of the month. That's about 40 per day. 
Have you fulfilled your quota?"

"If you look at my records," replied Eloise, sniffily, "you'll see that my 
total has gone up by 100 since I came in this morning."

"Let me look at that."

Cindy seized the catalogue from Eloise's reluctant hands and flicked through 
it.

"Eloise - half of this is painted out in turquoise. Explanation?"

"Ah... Yes, well. You see, I hit this run of 49 messages where the archive 
said "no message retrieved". I couldn't believe my luck! I checked on webview 
and it turned out to be the time we got hit by that stream of gobbledygook 
from razsaga2000. Cheered my day up no end, it did!"

"I see. You know what this means, don't you?"

"What?"

"You pledged to catalogue 1000 posts and you've had to admit that your 
present allocation was already nearly 50 short......."

"I'll get me coat." *

Eloise

* for the benefit of those in the FAQ Team not familiar with _The Fast Show_ 
(most of you, I suspect) that is one of Mark Williams'  (as in Arthur 
Weasley) best known catch-phrases.
<Winks at Ali, her fellow fan>





From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jan  5 13:18:43 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:18:43 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: "And How Are We Feeling Today?"
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1576131541.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

Sorry I didn't reply on this sooner but all my books from back when I worked on the Menendez case are in a box in my under-reconstruction house. I did pop by yesterday and check in the top two, and there was no general definition that was multi-gender-and-generations encompassing. 

Sorry to be useless. 

Btw- the revised legalese faq is getting reread by Tabitha to make sure she can't pull anything else off lexis to add in, and should be wrapped up shortly. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com>" <dicentra at xmission.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:05:50 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: "And How Are We Feeling Today?"

Real-To:  "dicentra63 <dicentra at xmission.com>" <dicentra at xmission.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:

> And thinking that Dicey should just go with parricide (I don't think
we ever did come to a consensus).

I went ahead and added Parricide to the database.  

And I pledge the remaining 434 of my block.  I'll do more if I can.

--Dicey


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Jan  5 14:07:56 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 14:07:56 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive 
In-Reply-To: <022b01c2b453$61f55af0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <av9e7s+pf5i@eGroups.com>

Penny:

>I'd be happy enough if someone wanted to take Messages 27,500 - 
>28,000.  I can *definitely catalogue the remaining 250 or so to get 
>to 27,500.  

Not to worry, Penny.  I know you're really busy, and I appreciate 
that you've been able to do as much as you have already.

Speaking of which . . . .

Upload, people!  Don't forget to upload!

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan  5 15:04:23 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:04:23 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <ba.33e7bfa9.2b49a377@aol.com>

Penny:
> 
> >I'd be happy enough if someone wanted to take Messages 27,500 - 
> >28,000.  I can *definitely catalogue the remaining 250 or so to get 
> >to 27,500.  
> 
> 

I'll take them (says she, who's got wise to the fact that the earlier message 
blocks are easier to catalogue than later ones and thinks she'd better jump 
in quick!)

Can I get them in archival form? I prefer working from the archive because I 
can change the font and that makes it easier on the eye. "Archives 1" says 
its the second archive. What happened to the first one?

~Eloise
Trying to say write something intelligent about Italo-Celtic helmets (under 
pressure) and feeling bored.


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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Jan  5 18:26:30 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:26:30 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
References: <ba.33e7bfa9.2b49a377@aol.com>
Message-ID: <033201c2b4e7$f7d6cdd0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi all --

Me:
> 
> >I'd be happy enough if someone wanted to take Messages 27,500 - 
> >28,000.  I can *definitely catalogue the remaining 250 or so to get 
> >to 27,500.  
> 
> 

Eloise helpfully said: 

<<<I'll take them (says she, who's got wise to the fact that the earlier message blocks are easier to catalogue than later ones and thinks she'd better jump in quick!)>>>>

Thanks!

<<<Can I get them in archival form? I prefer working from the archive because I can change the font and that makes it easier on the eye. "Archives 1" says its the second archive. What happened to the first one?>>>>

Er, I'm no help here.  I do my cataloguing from webview.  Not sure about archival form.

Confused!Penny



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Jan  6 16:22:39 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:22:39 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <ba.33e7bfa9.2b49a377@aol.com>
Message-ID: <avcagf+1m1q@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> 
> Can I get them in archival form? I prefer working from the archive
because I 
> can change the font and that makes it easier on the eye. "Archives
1" says 
> its the second archive. What happened to the first one?

You can find the first one by going to Archives 1 and deleting the "1"
from the URL.  Or in other words, 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/

--Dicey




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jan  6 19:29:30 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 14:29:30 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <a9.35965f81.2b4b331a@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/01/2003 16:24:21 GMT Standard Time, 
dicentra at xmission.com writes:


> You can find the first one by going to Archives 1 and deleting the "1"
> from the URL.  Or in other words, 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/
> 

Thanks, Dicey. I'd already found that, though I hadn't gone through the 
joining the group thing it asks you to do to access it.

When I do, it's the same as I get when I simply search for a message number 
on webview; it's not the same as Archives 1, which gives me a continuous 
scrollable text document of 1000 posts. That's what I was *hoping* to find.

It's no big deal, but I have to say I've found the other archive very useful, 
particularly as I have it saved to my hard disk, so that I can work off-line.

~Eloise


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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 10 23:13:49 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden <porphyria@mindspring.com>)
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:13:49 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <a9.35965f81.2b4b331a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <avnk3d+fuoh@eGroups.com>

Re: Eloise was looking for the older archived files. 

Did you look here, in the files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups-Archives/files/Yahoo%21%
20Groups%20Archive/

I didn't try to download it since I was at work, but that looks like 
the same thing. 

Also: what messages now need to be done? I'm shopping for an 
unclaimed block of about 500. Does anyone want me to pick up their 
slack? Or are we moving forwards/backwards in time now?

~Porphyria




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan 11 07:41:27 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 02:41:27 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <f4.2778c3d1.2b5124a7@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/01/2003 23:15:55 GMT Standard Time, 
porphyria at mindspring.com writes:


> Re: Eloise was looking for the older archived files. 
> 
> Did you look here, in the files section:
> 

Yes, thanks, I got them. Dicey kindly e-mailed me off-list, which was why I 
hadn't said anything else. I'm still working on my last block, so I don't 
actually need them just yet. They downloaded fine.

Just as a matter of interest, it doesn't matter, really, as I have it saved 
to my favourites, but I con't see the link to the current archives anymore. 
Has it disappared, or am I being dense?

~Eloise


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sat Jan 11 20:49:07 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 20:49:07 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <avnk3d+fuoh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <avq003+a3jg@eGroups.com>

Porphyria volunteered:

> Also: what messages now need to be done? I'm shopping for an 
> unclaimed block of about 500. Does anyone want me to pick up their 
> slack? Or are we moving forwards/backwards in time now?

<falls down at Porphyria's feet>

Oh, Porphyria!  Thank you *so* much!  I worship the ground upon 
which you dein to walk!  I am so totally not worthy!

How about starting with 27,501?  ;-)

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan 11 21:28:55 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:28:55 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <2b.35c3cb6a.2b51e697@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/01/2003 20:50:44 GMT Standard Time, 
cindysphinx at comcast.net writes:


> Oh, Porphyria!  Thank you *so* much!  I worship the ground upon 
> which you dein to walk!  I am so totally not worthy!
> 
> How about starting with 27,501?  ;-)
> 

Isn't that the second half of Penny's which I said I'd take on? 
Not that it matters. I've still got another couple of hundred of this one to 
go. 
But if you give those ones to Porphyria, you'll have to find me another block 
of 500! ;-)

~Eloise














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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 11 21:43:32 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:43:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <2b.35c3cb6a.2b51e697@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030111214332.86346.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com>

Eloise wrote:

> Isn't that the second half of Penny's which I said
> I'd take on? 
> Not that it matters. I've still got another couple
> of hundred of this one to 
> go. 
> But if you give those ones to Porphyria, you'll have
> to find me another block 
> of 500! ;-)
> 

Want the second half of my block?  It breaks my heart
to see it go, but in the selfless spirit of St.
Porphyria, I will make the sacrifice.

36,501-37,000.

Amy

=====
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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan 11 22:13:19 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:13:19 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <11a.1cdf6c75.2b51f0ff@aol.com>

Amy:
> Want the second half of my block?  It breaks my heart
> to see it go, but in the selfless spirit of St.
> Porphyria, I will make the sacrifice.
> 
> 36,501-37,000.
> 
> Amy
> 

S'pose.
I don't want to seem ungrateful, or anything, but that's the block after my 
first one, which was <shudder> horrible (that's why I jumped at the chance of 
an earlier one!)

But it doesn't look too bad - so far!

~Eloise

Downloading - again!


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Jan 12 01:52:57 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:52:57 -0000
Subject: Pledge Drive
In-Reply-To: <2b.35c3cb6a.2b51e697@aol.com>
Message-ID: <avqhpp+anh5@eGroups.com>

Eloise wrote:

> Isn't that the second half of Penny's which I said I'd take on? 

Yikes!  It is!  I'm sorry; I just noticed it wasn't signed out and 
so assumed it was up for grabs.

Looks like Amy Z saved the day.  As usual.  ;-)

Cindy -- who would love to surrender the second half of her current 
block, which is from July 2002 and extremely uninspiring






From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan 12 07:55:10 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:55:10 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Pledge Drive
Message-ID: <30.35915cc0.2b52795e@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/01/2003 02:04:22 GMT Standard Time, 
cindysphinx at comcast.net writes:


> > Isn't that the second half of Penny's which I said I'd take on? 
> 
> Yikes!  It is!  I'm sorry; I just noticed it wasn't signed out and 
> so assumed it was up for grabs.
> 
> Looks like Amy Z saved the day.  As usual.  ;-)
> 

I've asked Porphyria if she'd swap, as I can't open the archive containing 
Amy's block without investing in WinZip.
Have things changed?
I didn't have that problem opening or saving 44000-44999, it just did it.
But to get into Penny's block, I had to use an evaluation version of Winzip 
and now they want me to part with the readies before they'll let me use it 
again.

Sorry. I should have signed out the earlier block on the Database, shouldn't 
I ;-(

~Eloise
Who really doesn't mind *not* doing an extra 500! ;-)


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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jan 12 11:19:52 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:19:52 -0500
Subject: mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <00d801c2ba2c$874f8c60$0301a8c0@Frodo>

I've seen a number of questions recently on the main list and elsewhere
in the fandom about the wand order issue. 
 
Could we please update the mysteries FAQ to include the two images that
we have in the hpfgu files section, and if possible, the article which
mentions the HPfGU discussion of it, in Salon magazine
(http://archive.salon.com/books/log/2001/01/12/potterfix/)?


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Jan 12 13:24:23 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:24:23 -0000
Subject: mysteries FAQ
In-Reply-To: <00d801c2ba2c$874f8c60$0301a8c0@Frodo>
Message-ID: <avrqa7+108iv@eGroups.com>

Images from the files section?

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> I've seen a number of questions recently on the main list and 
elsewhere
> in the fandom about the wand order issue. 
>  
> Could we please update the mysteries FAQ to include the two images 
that
> we have in the hpfgu files section, and if possible, the article 
which
> mentions the HPfGU discussion of it, in Salon magazine
> (http://archive.salon.com/books/log/2001/01/12/potterfix/)?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jan 12 13:36:50 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:36:50 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1576131541.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

In files, book graphics, specifically, we have the original image of the priori page from gof as well as the edited page. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:24:23 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: mysteries FAQ

Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>

Images from the files section?

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> I've seen a number of questions recently on the main list and 
elsewhere
> in the fandom about the wand order issue. 
>  
> Could we please update the mysteries FAQ to include the two images 
that
> we have in the hpfgu files section, and if possible, the article 
which
> mentions the HPfGU discussion of it, in Salon magazine
> (http://archive.salon.com/books/log/2001/01/12/potterfix/)?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Sun Jan 12 17:12:59 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:12:59 -0000
Subject: mysteries FAQ
Message-ID: <avs7mr+vq36@eGroups.com>

Oh, I see.

Upon reflection, it is probably better to mention all of this in the 
VFAQs.  After all, that is the document we ask that new members read 
before posting.  Neil is in charge of the VFAQs, but he'll be unable 
to turn to this for a while due to RL obligations.  Can I suggest 
that you run the idea past him?

Cindy

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> In files, book graphics, specifically, we have the original image 
of the priori page from gof as well as the edited page. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:24:23 
> To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: mysteries FAQ
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> 
> Images from the files section?
> 
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> > I've seen a number of questions recently on the main list and 
> elsewhere
> > in the fandom about the wand order issue. 
> >  
> > Could we please update the mysteries FAQ to include the two 
images 
> that
> > we have in the hpfgu files section, and if possible, the article 
> which
> > mentions the HPfGU discussion of it, in Salon magazine
> > (http://archive.salon.com/books/log/2001/01/12/potterfix/)?
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>  
> 
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From neilward at dircon.co.uk  Sun Jan 12 18:07:26 2003
From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward <neilward@dircon.co.uk>)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:07:26 -0000
Subject: VFAQ (was Re: mysteries FAQ)
In-Reply-To: <avs7mr+vq36@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <avsasu+2sj8@eGroups.com>

Cindy said:

<< Upon reflection, it is probably better to mention all of this in 
the VFAQs.  After all, that is the document we ask that new members 
read before posting.  Neil is in charge of the VFAQs, but he'll be 
unable to turn to this for a while due to RL obligations.  Can I 
suggest that you run the idea past him? >>

Most of it was already mentioned in the VFAQ document, including 
links to the images.  Heidi emailed me off list on this thread and 
I've just added a link to the Salon.com article.

I have this list on webview, btw, but if you come across repeated 
questions that aren't in the VFAQ document and should be, please let 
me know direct at neilward AT dircon.co.uk or add them to the 
database on HPfGU-Mod for the next big VFAQ revamp.

Thanks

Neil





From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 13 18:00:35 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:00:35 -0000
Subject: *Throws Confetti For Eloise!*
Message-ID: <avuus3+atdk@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I have it on very good authority that Eloise has completed yet 
another message block!  Yup, she's on *fire,* people!

<pauses to wonder whether she might talk Eloise into finishing the 
rest of the catalogue>

Cindy -- trying to pick up the pace her own self




From skelkins at attbi.com  Tue Jan 14 08:29:26 2003
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882 <skelkins@attbi.com>)
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:29:26 -0000
Subject: ::flails in darkness::
Message-ID: <b00hp6+5pif@eGroups.com>

Hi, guys.

Just to let you all know, something seems
to have gone terribly amiss with our wiring,
and we've been without electricity for a few
days now.  I'm certainly hoping that we'll
get it fixed soon, but since we haven't even
managed to discover what the problem is, I
cannot predict just how long it will take
before the problem is solved.

Just thought I'd give you all a heads-up,
so that you know that I've not vanished 
from the face of the earth.


Elkins






From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Jan 15 15:18:03 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:18:03 -0000
Subject: "Push, Honey!  It's Almost Here!"
Message-ID: <b03u3b+99gn@eGroups.com>

Well, well, well.

We have a date certain for the arrival of Hurricane Jo!  June 21, 
whether we're ready or not.

Ah, but June 21 is in the far distant future, right?  We have 
*plenty* of time to prepare, right?

Wrong.  June 21 is just **157** days away from today.  And we 
haven't finished our cataloguing effort yet or written any new FAQs!

Don't panic, FAQ team.  Now is the time for a really, really big 
push to finish up our catalogue work.  

We *can* finish, you know.  If we have 10 people each catalogue 70 
messages a day for the next 16 days, we will be *finished* by 
February 1, right on schedule.  And we have more than 10 people 
cataloguing.

I think we can make it, myself.

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 15 15:37:23 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 10:37:23 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] "Push, Honey!  It's Almost Here!"
Message-ID: <147.7e56b4c.2b56da33@aol.com>

If anyone had called me "honey" when I was giving birth, I'd have hit them!

~Eloise

Veteran of three births without pain-relief.
(And one with gas-and-air and TENS which I found very irritating.)



From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Jan 15 18:14:01 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:14:01 -0000
Subject: "Push, Honey!  It's Almost Here!"
In-Reply-To: <147.7e56b4c.2b56da33@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b048d9+ptci@eGroups.com>

Eloise wrote:

> If anyone had called me "honey" when I was giving birth, I'd have 
hit them!
> 
> ~Eloise
> 
> Veteran of three births without pain-relief.
> (And one with gas-and-air and TENS which I found very irritating.)


I do remember my husband calling me "honey" during labor.  A lot.  
Over and over and over.  And over.  I, er, wasn't in the mood to 
hear it.  ;-)

Cindy -- veteran of three births with all the pain relief money 
could buy, and wondering what the sam hill "gas-and-air" and "TENS" 
could possibly be but hoping it helped Eloise with the pain




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 15 21:33:20 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:33:20 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: "Push, Honey!  It's Almost Here!"
Message-ID: <88.22698f53.2b572da0@aol.com>

In a message dated 15/01/2003 18:15:03 GMT Standard Time, 
cindysphinx at comcast.net writes:


> Cindy -- veteran of three births with all the pain relief money 
> could buy, and wondering what the sam hill "gas-and-air" and "TENS" 
> could possibly be but hoping it helped Eloise with the pain
> 
> 


Just FYI (I hadn't realised there might be a cross-cultural dimension here), 
gas-and-air is mild inhalational anaesthesia. A mixture of nitrous oxide 
(laughing gas) and oxygen, IIRC. It just takes the edge off things. It's 
quite nice, as I recall!

TENS is Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation. You have this thing 
taped to the small of your back which stimulates the nerves and is supposed 
to confuse the pain signals. I'm told it's very good, but it didn't really 
work for me. 

I had the next two in Japan, where it's epidural or nothing, and I wasn't 
having anyone sticking ruddy great needles in *my* inter-vertebral spaces, 
thank you very much! Don't get me started on Japanese birth practices. The 
last one was born at home, on our bed, after a long soak in the bath, which 
was exactly what I wanted.

~Eloise


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From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 16 02:41:36 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 02:41:36 -0000
Subject: admitting defeat
Message-ID: <b05650+qrb6@eGroups.com>

Ok guys, I just wrote this considered, heartfelt plea for help in 
which I explained my excuses for being such a failure at the whole 
cataloguing thing, and it looks like Yahoomort ate it.  

So now I'm just going to beg.  Way more has happened in the last 
several months than usually happens in my boring life, and I've been 
thrown for a loop.  I've got nearly 300 done of my one and only 
block.  Yes, that's how pathetic I am.  I can make it to 500 in time 
for the deadline, but there's no way I can make it to 1000.  I put 
off admitting defeat for awhile, hoping I could make enough time, but 
I'm crying uncle now.

I'll be out of town and out of internet range for the first 2 weeks 
in February, but I'll work on it when I get back if necessary.  If 
anybody has a little time though, I'd be forever in your debt (or at 
least for a really long time).

In other words, pleeeeeease?

kimberly




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Thu Jan 16 14:40:18 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:40:18 -0000
Subject: admitting defeat
In-Reply-To: <b05650+qrb6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b06g8i+sg95@eGroups.com>

Kimberly wrote:

> I'm crying uncle now.
> 
<pats back of Kimberly's hand sympathetically>

There, there.  Now, now.  It'll be OK.  It really will.  

Tell you what we'll do.  We'll chop your block in half and put the 
second half up for grabs.  

No one will be the wiser.  ;-)

Cindy




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 16 23:50:37 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden <porphyria@mindspring.com>)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:50:37 -0000
Subject: Woo hoo, I did a Benjamin!
Message-ID: <b07ggd+3c1m@eGroups.com>

OK, 100 posts is not that much to catalogue, but I only started 
Tuesday. 

Some questions: can we make snarky remarks in the comments section? 
Like "typical Finwitch blah"? Basically, all my snarky remarks 
involve Finwitch. :-) Let me know if I ought to vacuum those. 

Should we have a keyword for "apology" as in real wizards don't? So 
far I'm putting it under "characterization" plus the names of the 
wizards in question. 

Are we skipping contests? I'm in the middle of the March "All things 
green" thread and I've been duly filing them under "Colors" just in 
case someone ever does a Green FP. Hey, it could happen. 

~Porphyria




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jan 17 00:05:47 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:05:47 -0000
Subject: Woo hoo, I did a Benjamin!
In-Reply-To: <b07ggd+3c1m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b07hcr+6pql@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Porphyria Ashenden
<porphyria at m...>" <porphyria at m...> wrote:

> Are we skipping contests? I'm in the middle of the March "All things 
> green" thread and I've been duly filing them under "Colors" just in 
> case someone ever does a Green FP. Hey, it could happen. 
> 
Why yes, I think the All Things Green posts are just about the most
inventive, helpful, and creative posts ever to appear on the list. 
How could you even doubt it?

--Dicey, who is working on a master All Things Green list for the
Lexicon  ::waves at Steve, who backs away slowly::




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 00:14:12 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:14:12 -0000
Subject: What You've All Been Waiting For!
Message-ID: <b07hsk+m3cf@eGroups.com>

Hi, FAQers,

Since October, we've been working our fingers to the bone on the 
catalogue.  As you all know, we're almost finished, and February 1 
is looming.  So now's the time to start figuring out our next 
moves.  

In particular, we need to decide who wants to work on what FP.

I guess there are several considerations here.  First, we should 
focus our energies on creating new FPs instead of updating old 
ones.  Second, it would be nice to get certain important FPs done 
before less important ones.  Third, folks should work on things that 
interest them, so if no one is interested in a particular FP, it 
simply won't get done (hey, we're all volunteers, right?). Fourth, 
I'd like us to work in teams, if possible, because we need to get 
the FPs written quickly and launch them, if at all possible.

Lastly, what, if anything, can be done to, er, minimize the impact 
of OoP on all of our work?  In other words, will we be toiling to 
write FPs that will be outmoded almost as soon as we complete them, 
and can anything be done about that in the way we write the FPs or 
choose which FPs to write?

Another idea I had was a method of doing very quick and dirty 
updates to existing FPs.  Rather than try to re-work an old FP in 
its entirety, we could just add an update notice.  As an example, 
let's say I wanted to update the Weasley Family FP.  I would add a 
note in brackets with certain key message numbers that I could find 
using the catalogue, like the Bully Thread.  Does that sound like a 
good use of someone's time?

Further, we should keep in mind that we have FPs currently in 
progress, which are Lupin, Legal Issues and Quidditch.

So how about this?  Why don't we just have a discussion about those 
issues and anything else folks want to raise?  What FPs do the FAQ 
team members want to write?  Go on, speak up, don't be shy.

I've attached a list of the FPs, with * indicating which ones are 
complete.  Feel free to make suggestions about new ones or ones that 
ought to be dropped.

Cindy

*************************


THE WORLD OF HARRY POTTER 

British Educational System 
Character Accents 
Character Names (Meaning, Origin, Pronunciation) 
Chronology and Timelines 
*Geography 
*Hogwarts School of Witchcraft & Wizardry 
*Mysteries & Inconsistencies 
*Potential Romance Pairings in HP 
*Predictions 
Quidditch 
Clothing 
Economy 
*Government 
*Magical Devices 
Mythology & Magical Creatures 
Social Issues 
Spells & Charms 
*Wands 

CHARACTERS OF HARRY POTTER 

*Animal Characters 
*Sirius Black 
Albus Dumbledore 
*Dursley Family 
*Hermione Granger 
Rubeus Hagrid 
*Neville Longbottom 
Remus Lupin 
*Minerva McGonagall 
*Peter Pettigrew 
Harry Potter 
*James & Lily Potter 
Severus Snape 
*Weasley Family 
*Ron Weasley 
*Lord Voldemort 

ABOUT THE BOOKS 

*Universal Appeal of HP 
*Book Banning & Controversies 
*Lawsuits 
Racial Diversity & HP 
*Religion & HP 
Audio Versions 
CoverArt & Covers from Around the World 

THE FANS 

Fan Clubs 
*Fanfiction 
Harry Potter Humor 
Movie 
Merchandise 
*Other Recommended Reading
*HP:  A History 








From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 00:24:59 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:24:59 -0000
Subject: Woo hoo, I did a Benjamin!
In-Reply-To: <b07ggd+3c1m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b07igs+ddbt@eGroups.com>

Porphyria referred to someone named Benjamin and then wrote:

> Some questions: can we make snarky remarks in the comments 
>section? 

Heh, heh.

Well, there's a chance that we might make this available to the 
public, so unfortunately, you'll probably have to delete your snarky 
comments.  Usually, we've been posting snarky comments right here on 
the FAQ list for everyone's enjoyment.  ;-)

Besides, I'm cataloguing from July 2002, and if I stopped to add 
snarky comments, well, I'd just never finish, would I?  Oh, those 
were dark days in the history of list in Summer 2002.  Pity me, 
people.  Pity me.


> Should we have a keyword for "apology" as in real wizards don't? 

Well, probably not.  I don't think it comes up all that much.  You 
could do one for apology to capture things like regret, if you like.

> Are we skipping contests? 

You know, I don't remember.  I think it would be OK to note them, 
and it wouldn't take long, I guess.

Cindy -- noting that July 2002 did have the "Math of Sexism" 
and "Nel Class Question," but that's really about it




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 00:40:14 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:40:14 -0000
Subject: Feel My Pain!
Message-ID: <b07jde+tm3o@eGroups.com>

Here's just one example of what I'm going through.

Suffering!Cindy -- who may have to fix herself a drink

********

Terrell wrote:

> > the new captain will be Krum, having switched schools, he will be
> > sorted into Gryffindor (having only sat at the Slytherin table in
> GoF
> > b/c of his headmaster's allegiance to it).

Then Gretchen wrote:

> If Krum becomes the new Gryffindor captain, what happens to Harry?
> They both play seeker. I wouldn't be surprised to see Krum at
> Hogwarts as a teacher, however.

Wasn't Krum in his last year anyway? Maybe I'm wrong, but I have 
been under that impression. He may turn up as a teacher, that's 
true. What about a new Quidditch coach? I like Madame Hooch, but she 
doesn't seem too popular (to HP fans, I mean--at least that's the 
impression I get).






From porphyria at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 17 00:45:17 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (porphyria at mindspring.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:45:17 -0500
Subject: Catalogue questions and New FPs
Message-ID: <Springmail.0994.1042764317.0.41581400@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>

Cindy wrote:

> Heh, heh.
> 
> Well, there's a chance that we might make this
> available to the 
> public, so unfortunately, you'll probably have
> to delete your snarky 
> comments.  

I've duly trimmed my snarky remarks. I'm still not sure making this totally
public would be a good plan (what about ANN and OMG?), but at least mine's not
patently offensive right now. 

> Besides, I'm cataloguing from July 2002, and if
> I stopped to add 
> snarky comments, well, I'd just never finish,
> would I? Oh, those 
> were dark days in the history of list in Summer
> 2002. Pity me, 
> people. Pity me.

> Cindy -- noting that July 2002 did have
> the "Math of Sexism" 
> and "Nel Class Question," but that's really
> about it

I was bored stiff in summer 2002 and I was involved in both the Class and
Sexism threads. 
>%-P

Keywords: Apology/regret is too vague for me, so I'll keep doing it the way I
was. 

Should we have one for the Dursleys as a group?

Regarding the new FPs: I think I signed up to do a Death Eater/Aurors/Justice
one once. It's in the database under: Fantastic Posts -- Unassigned. There are
a lot of other goodies there.  

> *James & Lily Potter 
> Severus Snape 
> *Weasley Family 

Also, why is there no star by the Snape FP? Are we not finished yet? I mean, I
know it's a labor of love, but let me rest!!!

~Porphy



From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 11:32:28 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 06:32:28 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Catalogue questions and New FPs
Message-ID: <6.78d710a.2b5943cc@aol.com>

In a message dated 17/01/2003 00:46:44 GMT Standard Time, 
porphyria at mindspring.com writes:


> > Well, there's a chance that we might make this
> > available to the 
> > public, so unfortunately, you'll probably have
> > to delete your snarky 
> > comments.  
> 
> I've duly trimmed my snarky remarks. I'm still not sure making this totally
> public would be a good plan (what about ANN and OMG?), but at least mine's 
> not
> patently offensive right now. 

I've put the odd comment, but nothing personal (IIRC).
Well, there's the odd exception. I seem to remember writing something like, 
'Elkins endeavours to explain what the heck she's on about' to describe the 
content of one post. ;-)

I haven't really used ANN. If it truly adds nothing new, then I usually don't 
bother with it.

As for competitions and stuff, I catalogued (briefly) loads of those 
prediction derby posts before Cindy said she probably wouldn't have bothered. 
I think we sort of came to an agreement that every thread (if worthwhile) 
should be represented, but not necessarily every post, unless it said 
something significant. So that amazing and invaluable 'green' thread *could* 
have been represented by just one post. If that's called up, then the rest of 
the thread should appear under the replies bit on Webview, shouldn't it?

I've got a lot more ruthless recently. I bear in mind Cindy's adage that we 
should judge whether that post could be useful to anyone writing a FAQ. So if 
it's completely outlandish, or stupid (as opposed to a startlingly new or 
subversive take), I just omit it. Although I still err on the side of 
caution.

And I've got into a habit of not cataloguing posts that simply ask a question 
(unless the question itself is so original or thought-provoking that it 
deserves a mention.
If the question is answered, it will refer back to the original post, so both 
the question and its attribution are represented that way

And occasionally I think it's just, well, an act of compassion to omit a 
thread.

Right, Cindy? ;-)

> ,<>
> Should we have one for the Dursleys as a group?

I've been keying 'Dursleys', also 'Potters', 'Weasleys', etc when they are 
referred to as a group. But we're not entering character names in the 
Database, unless there's good reason. As in 'Nick' (Nearly Headless).

Actually, I seem to remember that Debbie and I came across what we thought 
was an anomaly in the cataloguing of the Dursley, Weasley and Malfoy 
(individual) adults, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was, or 
what we decided to do.

Do you, Debbie? <waves at Debbie, to whom she's not spoken for ages>


> <>Also, why is there no star by the Snape FP? Are we not finished yet? I 
> mean, I
> know it's a labor of love, but let me rest!!!

I confess to relaxing slightly on Snape posts, knowing you've already dealt 
with them!

But anyway, come June 21st, you can start revising it!

> ~Eloise <ducking>



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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 14:26:00 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:26:00 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Catalogue questions and New FPs
References: <Springmail.0994.1042764317.0.41581400@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009d01c2be34$5bac71c0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Cindy on new FPs:

> It would be nice to get certain important FPs done
> before less important ones.

Does that mean, for example, that we should have an HP on all important
characters, like, erm, Harry Potter?  Should we push to get the main
characters done?

My other thought was whether it would make sense to focus on FPs that are
less likely to be completely outdated when OoP comes out.  For example,  I
have an interest in some of the social issues, and I think what we've said
to date will remain quite relevant and interesting.

Third, folks should work on things that
> interest them, so if no one is interested in a particular FP, it
> simply won't get done (hey, we're all volunteers, right?). Fourth,
> I'd like us to work in teams, if possible, because we need to get
> the FPs written quickly and launch them, if at all possible.

Yes and yes.
>
> Lastly, what, if anything, can be done to, er, minimize the impact
> of OoP on all of our work?  In other words, will we be toiling to
> write FPs that will be outmoded almost as soon as we complete them,
> and can anything be done about that in the way we write the FPs or
> choose which FPs to write?
>
> Another idea I had was a method of doing very quick and dirty
> updates to existing FPs.  Rather than try to re-work an old FP in
> its entirety, we could just add an update notice.  As an example,
> let's say I wanted to update the Weasley Family FP.  I would add a
> note in brackets with certain key message numbers that I could find
> using the catalogue, like the Bully Thread.  Does that sound like a
> good use of someone's time?

I think the "quick and dirty update" is a great idea, and maybe a good way
to handle this would be for each cataloguer to nominate posts or threads
from the blocks that they catalogued.  Speaking particularly with reference
to the Bully Thread (if 150 impassioned, soul-searching posts could properly
be labeled a thread), I've tried to identify the ones that introduced
landmark ideas to the discussion as I went along.
>
Porphyria:
>
> I've duly trimmed my snarky remarks. I'm still not sure making this
totally
> public would be a good plan (what about ANN and OMG?), but at least mine's
not
> patently offensive right now.

I have to agree with Porphyria; I've got some comments which are not really
fit for public consumption (such as referring to certain shipping posts as
"gush").
>
> Regarding the new FPs: I think I signed up to do a Death
Eater/Aurors/Justice
> one once.

Yes, I can't imagine why we would not do this one.  Besides, that's
something most of us are interested in.

Eloise:

So that amazing and invaluable 'green' thread *could*
> have been represented by just one post. If that's called up, then the rest
of
> the thread should appear under the replies bit on Webview, shouldn't it?
>
Yahoo! does a rotten job of threading, especially for posts that are sent
via e-mail.  A lot of my posts don't thread, and I think that's the reason.
So I've tried to make a judgment of the likelihood that people would
actually want to look at a post in determining whether it should be entered
into the database.  The green thread probably could be represented by a
single post; others I might catalogue separately.

> I've got a lot more ruthless recently.

Me too, though that hasn't stopped my current catalogue from running 30
lines longer than the number of posts.

And I've used ANN where the person wrote intelligently, but it had all been
said before.

> Actually, I seem to remember that Debbie and I came across what we thought
> was an anomaly in the cataloguing of the Dursley, Weasley and Malfoy
> (individual) adults, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was,
or
> what we decided to do.
>
> Do you, Debbie? <waves at Debbie, to whom she's not spoken for ages>
>
<waving back>  I'm still here!  I graciously conceded to our fearless
leader's ruling, which is that Lucius is Malfoy but Arthur is Arthur and
James is James.  I'm not sure about Frank Longbottom, though.  I think I may
have used his full name or Longbottom, because there's also Frank Bryce.

Debbie
who's finally made it to post 43465 on her latest block, but is well over
half done if you measure the block by bandwith instead of message numbers




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 15:14:40 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:14:40 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Catalogue questions and New FPs
Message-ID: <1cd.2cb0a9.2b5977e0@aol.com>

Debbie:
> <waving back>  I'm still here!  I graciously conceded to our fearless
> leader's ruling, which is that Lucius is Malfoy but Arthur is Arthur and
> James is James.  I'm not sure about Frank Longbottom, though.  I think I 
> may
> have used his full name or Longbottom, because there's also Frank Bryce.
> 

Drat!
I'm sure I've been keying Lucius recently. I knew there was *something*.
Were we using Vernon? (I have been)
I called Frank Bryce, Bryce. And the Longbottoms, Longbottom and Mrs 
Longbottom, I think (as we don't know her name).

~Eloise


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 15:29:12 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:29:12 EST
Subject: Chapter summaries.
Message-ID: <90.310248ba.2b597b48@aol.com>

I've just come across my first one of these.
What was the policy? I don't recall and I can't find it in my instructions.

~Eloise



From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 15:35:20 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:35:20 -0000
Subject: Preparation of Important FPs
Message-ID: <b097ro+emd7@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Debbie asked:

> Does that mean, for example, that we should have an HP on all 
>important characters, like, erm, Harry Potter?  Should we push to 
>get the main characters done?


Good question.  I'm unclear on whether folks are still interested in 
doing certain FPs they signed up for before we started cataloguing.  
Maybe we should review that as we decide how to allocate our 
resources.

I show Sheryll as down for the Clothing and Spells/Charms FPs.

Caius has the Dumbledore FP.

Barb has the Harry FP.

Heidi has the Malfoy FP.


Sheryll, Caius, Barb and Heidi, what do you think?  Are you all 
still interested in taking the lead on these FPs?

Cindy




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 15:36:43 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:36:43 -0000
Subject: Chapter summaries.
In-Reply-To: <90.310248ba.2b597b48@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b097ub+l4f3@eGroups.com>

Eloise asked:

> What was the policy? I don't recall and I can't find it in my 
>instructions.

I've been noting it as "Chapter" for the keyword.  Then I just put 
the chapter and book in the comments field.

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jan 17 15:53:35 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:53:35 -0000
Subject: Catalogue questions and New FPs
In-Reply-To: <1cd.2cb0a9.2b5977e0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b098tv+o8nj@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> Debbie:
> > <waving back>  I'm still here!  I graciously conceded to our fearless
> > leader's ruling, which is that Lucius is Malfoy but Arthur is
Arthur and
> > James is James.  I'm not sure about Frank Longbottom, though.  I
think I 
> > may
> > have used his full name or Longbottom, because there's also Frank
Bryce.
> > 
> 
> Drat!
> I'm sure I've been keying Lucius recently. I knew there was *something*.
> Were we using Vernon? (I have been)
> I called Frank Bryce, Bryce. And the Longbottoms, Longbottom and Mrs 
> Longbottom, I think (as we don't know her name).
> 
I've been using Mrs Riddle for Voldemort's mum, too.  

--Dicey, tired and cranky




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Jan 17 13:21:50 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:21:50 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Preparation of Important FPs
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1576131541.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

I am, but I agree with debbie that it would be great to have a pre and post ootp version, if not a sort of brief summary of the various perspectives, with a more estensive post ootp analysis. But I'd have to hand the update, at least for the summer, over to someone else, as I'll be on baby-sabbatical fromlate may onwards. I should be able to wrap up an fp in march though. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:35:20 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Preparation of Important FPs

Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>

Hi, all,

Debbie asked:

> Does that mean, for example, that we should have an HP on all 
>important characters, like, erm, Harry Potter?  Should we push to 
>get the main characters done?


Good question.  I'm unclear on whether folks are still interested in 
doing certain FPs they signed up for before we started cataloguing.  
Maybe we should review that as we decide how to allocate our 
resources.

I show Sheryll as down for the Clothing and Spells/Charms FPs.

Caius has the Dumbledore FP.

Barb has the Harry FP.

Heidi has the Malfoy FP.


Sheryll, Caius, Barb and Heidi, what do you think?  Are you all 
still interested in taking the lead on these FPs?

Cindy


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 16:54:01 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:54:01 -0000
Subject: Preparation of Important FPs
Message-ID: <b09cf9+10km6@eGroups.com>

Heidi wrote:

> I am, but I agree with debbie that it would be great to have a pre 
>and post ootp version, if not a sort of brief summary of the 
>various perspectives, with a more estensive post ootp analysis. 

Hmmm.  I'm not sure how this would work.  Debbie or Heidi, can you 
elaborate?

Heidi, I'll put you down for writing the Malfoy FP, then?  Will it 
be just Draco, or a Malfoy family FP?

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 18:54:18 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:54:18 EST
Subject: Quests and journeys
Message-ID: <1bf.1ba408d0.2b59ab5a@aol.com>

Is 'Quest Saga' the same as 'Hero's Journey', folks?
And do we have a key for the whole series?
(as in, 'each book is one step in the Quest Saga')

~Eloise
who can't believe she's suddenly started having topic-term problems at this 
stage of the game.



From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 17 19:05:51 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:05:51 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Chapter summaries.
Message-ID: <a2.32287f5c.2b59ae0f@aol.com>

In a message dated 17/01/2003 15:37:01 GMT Standard Time, 
cindysphinx at comcast.net writes:


> > What was the policy? I don't recall and I can't find it in my 
> >instructions.
> 
> I've been noting it as "Chapter" for the keyword.  Then I just put 
> the chapter and book in the comments field.
> 
> 

Was that just for the first post, or for the whole thread?
All these short, multiple answers are getting tedious, but then there may be 
some nuggets in there somewhere!

~Eloise


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 19:15:07 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:15:07 -0000
Subject: Chapter summaries.
In-Reply-To: <a2.32287f5c.2b59ae0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b09knr+71qt@eGroups.com>

Eloise asked:

> Was that just for the first post, or for the whole thread?
> All these short, multiple answers are getting tedious, but then 
>there may be some nuggets in there somewhere!

I was noting the first post as the chapter summary, and then I was 
treating the responses like regular posts -- they needed to have 
some good canon discussion to be included.  Sadly, a lot of people 
just respond to chapter summaries with "Oh, hey, I never noticed 
that before!" and I've been skipping those posts.

Cindy




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Fri Jan 17 21:47:57 2003
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman <catherine@cator-manor.demon.co.uk>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:47:57 -0000
Subject: Catalogue questions and New FPs
In-Reply-To: <Springmail.0994.1042764317.0.41581400@webmail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <b09tmd+43hg@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, <porphyria at m...> wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
> 
> > Heh, heh.
> > 
> > Well, there's a chance that we might make this
> > available to the 
> > public, so unfortunately, you'll probably have
> > to delete your snarky 
> > comments.  
> 
> I've duly trimmed my snarky remarks. I'm still not sure making 
this totally
> public would be a good plan (what about ANN and OMG?), but at 
least mine's not
> patently offensive right now. 


Guys, I am bored, and the only thing which keeps me going is snarky 
comments - so I guess I'm going to have to do a major edit job 
before I upload.

I'm approaching 700 posts now - lots of deletions, as I've had a 
major shipping thread (lots of one-liner/repetitive stuff amongst 
the good), loads of insignificant one-liners from people including 
Finwitch - in fact, apart from a few good posts from people on this 
list (no, I'm not toadying), it's been pretty bad.

So, just one question - is it OK for me to not include all the inane 
one-liners and some of the ANN posts?  I don't see the point myself, 
but I suppose it's not totally representative if I omit them.

Catherine




From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 17 21:59:21 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:59:21 -0000
Subject: admitting defeat
In-Reply-To: <b06g8i+sg95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b09ubq+9529@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" 
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:

> Tell you what we'll do.  We'll chop your block in half and put the 
> second half up for grabs.  

Cindy, did you ever know that you're my hero?  Sorry, I hate that 
song, but I couldn't help myself.

I swear I'm going to be far more useful from about mid-February 
onward.  I passed 300 posts last night, so I'm feeling a little bit 
less pathetic already.  The OOP announcement did give me a little 
boost.  If I can get a free evening soon I might be able to get a 
little farther than I thought.

If, as it seemed to me from the list posted (although I thought I 
remembered seeing one somewhere), there isn't already a Hagrid FP, 
I'd love to work on that one.  You know how I am about my buddy 
Hagrid!  And if I recall correctly, I know how you are about my buddy 
too, but I won't pick a fight with one of the few people I know who I 
can dish with about both figure skating *and* the Amazing Race!

Kimberly
hoping the next Race will start soon






From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 22:32:37 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:32:37 -0000
Subject: Catalogue questions and New FPs
In-Reply-To: <b09tmd+43hg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0a0a5+b2s9@eGroups.com>

Catherine asked:

> So, just one question - is it OK for me to not include all the 
>inane one-liners and some of the ANN posts?  

I think it is fine to skip the truly horrid and repetitive and 
pointless, myself.  I haven't been using ANN.  I just skip.  It 
sounds like I'm doing it like Eloise is -- ruthless and 
efficient.  ;-)

For some weird reason in Summer 2002, people talked past each 
other.  One person would post "Hey, do ya think Mrs. Figg will be 
the DADA teacher?!?!" and then 10 posts later, someone asks the 
exact same question.  Neither question draws a single reply, and 
then someone else will ask it again.  Sheez!

Cindy -- thinking she should trade message blocks with Catherine, 
just to see who has it worse




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 22:37:16 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:37:16 -0000
Subject: admitting defeat
In-Reply-To: <b09ubq+9529@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0a0is+eicv@eGroups.com>

Kimberly wrote:

> If, as it seemed to me from the list posted (although I thought I 
> remembered seeing one somewhere), there isn't already a Hagrid FP, 
> I'd love to work on that one.  You know how I am about my buddy 
> Hagrid!  And if I recall correctly, I know how you are about my 
>buddy too, but I won't pick a fight with one of the few people I 
>know who I can dish with about both figure skating *and* the 
>Amazing Race!

Hey, thanks for the kind thoughts, Kimberly!

You've got yourself a deal on Hagrid!  I hope we can find someone to 
help you on Hagrid.  See, he'll no longer be with us come June 21, 
I'm thinking, because he'll be Dead, Dead, Dead.  ;-)

Seriously, Hagrid definitely needs doing, so thanks for 
volunteering.  Any other Hagrid fans out there?

As for figure skating, well, I'm pulling for Michelle Kwan.  As 
always.

Cindy -- who checked the web site for Amazing Race, and there is no 
date yet




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jan 17 23:09:58 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:09:58 -0000
Subject: Putting things in perspective
Message-ID: <b0a2g6+9dus@eGroups.com>

We just hit 50,000 over on the main list.  So what percentage of the
posts do we have done so far?  Two percent?  Three?

--Dicey, pesimista nata




From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 17 23:13:57 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:13:57 -0000
Subject: admitting defeat
In-Reply-To: <b0a0is+eicv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0a2nl+j0rf@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" 
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:
 
> You've got yourself a deal on Hagrid!  I hope we can find someone 
to 
> help you on Hagrid.  See, he'll no longer be with us come June 21, 
> I'm thinking, because he'll be Dead, Dead, Dead.  ;-)

Now that's just mean.  No need to break my heart in advance!
 
> Seriously, Hagrid definitely needs doing, so thanks for 
> volunteering.  Any other Hagrid fans out there?

*Crossing fingers*  I hope so - I can wax on, sure, but organizing 
the various elements into a logical progression is never my strong 
point.
 
> As for figure skating, well, I'm pulling for Michelle Kwan.  As 
> always.

You know, she is a beautiful skater still, but I'm dying for her to 
just go pro already.  I don't want to see her end up like Todd 
Eldridge.  

Kimberly





From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 23:23:57 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:23:57 -0000
Subject: Putting things in perspective
In-Reply-To: <b0a2g6+9dus@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0a3ad+f8ut@eGroups.com>

Dicey asked:

> We just hit 50,000 over on the main list.  So what percentage of 
>the posts do we have done so far?  Two percent?  Three?

Nah, it's not that bad, really.  Let's see.  We've done over 10,000 
messages.  So that means we've done over 20% of the list.  Not bad 
for a few months work.

Cindy 




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Jan 18 15:20:02 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:20:02 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Question
Message-ID: <b0brb2+rq5k@eGroups.com>

I've finally started my cataloguing (Quidditch FAQ and course 
temporarily on hold), and I have my first question:

Is there a term for the symbols JKR used in her notebooks - the one's 
shown just over a year ago and seeming to symbolise whether kids are 
half bloods etc etc. I could use symbolism, but that doesn't really 
cover it?

Thanks

Ali




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sat Jan 18 16:14:13 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:14:13 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Cataloguing Question
Message-ID: <7d.33e26931.2b5ad755@aol.com>

In a message dated 18/01/2003 15:20:47 GMT Standard Time, Ali at zymurgy.org 
writes:


> Is there a term for the symbols JKR used in her notebooks - the one's 
> shown just over a year ago and seeming to symbolise whether kids are 
> half bloods etc etc. I could use symbolism, but that doesn't really 
> cover it?
> 
> 

Yep, there is!
In the cataloguing terms database, you'll find,

Students (including symbols JKR used for various students)

You might also key it under Inheritance, I suppose. Depends what the emphasis 
of the post is.

I don't envy you starting when there are already so many terms in the 
database. You'll get the the stage where you know most of them and just have 
to double-check occasionally, though.

~Eloise


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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Jan 18 17:41:19 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:41:19 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Question
In-Reply-To: <7d.33e26931.2b5ad755@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b0c3jv+9i8s@eGroups.com>

I wrote:
> 
> 
> > Is there a term for the symbols JKR used in her notebooks - the 
one's  shown just over a year ago and seeming to symbolise whether 
kids are half bloods etc etc. I could use symbolism, but that doesn't 
really cover it?

Eloise kindly replied:
 
> Yep, there is!
> In the cataloguing terms database, you'll find,
 
> Students (including symbols JKR used for various students)

Thanks, I found that one in the end.
> 
> You might also key it under Inheritance, I suppose. Depends what 
the emphasis of the post is.
> 
> I don't envy you starting when there are already so many terms in 
the database. You'll get the the stage where you know most of them 
and just have  to double-check occasionally, though.

You mean it will get easier?

An hopeful Ali who has stopped after getting to Spying Games Part 
II...




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Jan 18 20:13:42 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak <pipdowns@etchells0.demon.co.uk>)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:13:42 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Question
In-Reply-To: <b0c3jv+9i8s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0cchm+h460@eGroups.com>


> You mean it will get easier?
> 
> An hopeful Ali who has stopped after getting to Spying Games Part 
> II...

Oh, yes. That one got hardly *any* replies....

To get you started: Spying Game II, the categories.

Voldemort, subversion, DE's, Harry, AK, Communication, Evil Overlord 
Mentality, Portkey, Re birthing, Riddle House, Imperius, 
Stereotypes, Priori Incantantem, Magical Ability, Prophecy, 
Patronus, Pettigrew, Cruelty, Cruciatus, Cedric, Wands, Crouch Jr., 
Ollivander, Dumbledore, (do we have a category for Harry's spell 
dodging ability?), QWC, Malfoy, Albania, Avery (bless him), Diary 
(Riddle's), Fudge, Quirrel, Weasley's, Bill Weasley, Charlie 
Weasley, Molly Weasley, Arthur Weasley, Triwizard Tournament, 
Dementors, Giants (are they in the db?), McGonagall, Hagrid, Snape, 
Book 5.

There may be other categories, but those are the ones that drag an 
enormous great school trunk into my mind [grin].

Pip

P.S. Can I help with the Hagrid FAQ?




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Jan 18 23:39:49 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:39:49 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing Question
In-Reply-To: <b0cchm+h460@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0cok5+sh12@eGroups.com>

I wrote:-
 
 An hopeful Ali who has stopped after getting to Spying Games Part 
 II...
> 

To which Pip replied (I swear she must have cackled evily as well)

> Oh, yes. That one got hardly *any* replies....
 
 To get you started: Spying Game II, the categories.
   (do we have a category for Harry's spell dodging ability?)<<

I'm just using shield charm

 QWC, Malfoy, Albania, Avery (bless him), Diary 
> (Riddle's), Fudge, Quirrel, Weasley's, Bill Weasley, Charlie 
> Weasley, Molly Weasley, Arthur Weasley, Triwizard Tournament, 
> Dementors, Giants (are they in the db?),

I added them.
 
Ali, Who didn't quite manage all those categories but will look at 
them again later...




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan 19 09:15:22 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 04:15:22 EST
Subject: Preparation of important FPs.
Message-ID: <4f.29f1fdf3.2b5bc6aa@aol.com>


Today I have just answered for the fifth time the question of why (IMHO), 
Barty Jr teaches Harry to resist the Imperius.

I know it is covered in the Mysteries FAQ (although not *my* theory, which 
did receive some modest approval, as I recall! ;-) ), but I note that neither 
the Crouch Family, nor Barty Jr figure in the list of proposed FPs.

Granted, until recently, I don't think many of us realised until recently jut 
how much there was to the character of Crouch Sr! And I really think it would 
be great if Elkins at some point in the future, if she has the time, could 
work the content of those Crouch posts into essay form to post in the Essays 
folder.

But in the meantime, could we do with just a brief Crouch Jr/Crouch family 
FAQ which, of course, would point readers to Elkins' and Eileen's posts and 
would also cover issues such as the above, the possible problems surrounding 
Mrs Crouch's use of Polyjuice, etc.

It's a knee-jerk reaction for me to reply to the specific question asked 
again today, but I don't like repeatedly referring people back to my own 
post.

~Eloise

With a horrible suspicion she might have just accidentally volunteered for 
something. 
And just reminding Cindy that she did volunteer to do the Character Names FP.



From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan 19 16:10:21 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson <eloiseherisson@aol.com>)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:10:21 -0000
Subject: Hose tournament?
In-Reply-To: <4f.29f1fdf3.2b5bc6aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b0eild+5ulh@eGroups.com>


I keep having a strange sense of deja-vu.
This block keeps covering current topics (including the one I 
mentioned in my last post).

But I can't help sharing this little snippet, which has brightened up 
my afternoon:

"ah but the quiddich cup and the hose tournament are
two different things aren't they?"

The Hose Tournament? 
What is this played with?
Hose-pipes or ladies' leg-wear?
Or both?

Intrigued!Eloise




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 19 16:47:46 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:47:46 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Hose tournament?
In-Reply-To: <b0eild+5ulh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BCB348E0-2BCD-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Bent!Eloise wrote:

> The Hose Tournament?
> What is this played with?
> Hose-pipes or ladies' leg-wear?
> Or both?

Porphyria envisions a fun game involving silk stockings and a garden 
hose. Oh, Weezy, you would have to fill my mind with these images this 
lovely Sunday morning. ;-)

Impure!Porphyria


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Sun Jan 19 17:13:10 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:13:10 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Hose tournament?
Message-ID: <14c.1a8fb8fa.2b5c36a6@aol.com>

In a message dated 19/01/2003 16:47:50 GMT Standard Time, 
porphyria at mindspring.com writes:


> Porphyria envisions a fun game involving silk stockings and a garden 
> hose. Oh, Weezy, you would have to fill my mind with these images this 
> lovely Sunday morning. ;-)
> 
> Impure!Porphyria
> 

Well, it's been a dull, wet afternoon, here. A girl's got to have a bit of 
fun! ;-)

Didn'tknowshewasBentuntilshemetcertainpeopleroundhere!Eloise


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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sun Jan 19 18:46:13 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:46:13 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Preparation of important FPs/Cataloguing
References: <4f.29f1fdf3.2b5bc6aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007101c2bfeb$0abd67c0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Heidi wrote:

> I am, but I agree with debbie that it would be great to have a pre 
>and post ootp version, if not a sort of brief summary of the 
>various perspectives, with a more estensive post ootp analysis. 

Cindy replied:

Hmmm.  I'm not sure how this would work.  Debbie or Heidi, can you 
elaborate?

Me:

I have no idea what idea of mine Heidi was referring to. I think my point was that I believe it is worthwhile to focus on memorialize some of our pre-OoP thinking on major characters into FPs which we can update later, after we've all had a substantial period of time to digest and analyze OoP (i.e., when we're ready for Book 6).  Although some of our current theories will be fodder for the GARBAGESCOW come June 21, what we've done will be worth preserving, for looking back at later on issues of misdirection and interpretation (as well as eating humble pie!), no matter how comically wrong we turn out to be in some cases.  Moreover, I suspect that our post-OoP discussions will in many respects take off from where we are now in our thinking, so that it *is* valuable to get major character and DE/Auror FPs done even though they will require substantial updating later, so we can use them as a reference point.  And for the same reason, I'd definitely vote for "quick updates" of some of the older FPs now, before OoP is released along the lines Cindy suggested.

I had expressed an interest in social issues, and my favorite characters have been FP'd already.  But Dumbledore interests me, too, and since I've just used up a full paragraph arguing that the character FPs are important I'll volunteer to work with whomever it's already been assigned to (sorry, I've forgotten).

Actually, I don't think anything I've just said answers Cindy's question.  I think we would probably want to do post-OoP updates by revising the FPs, but by retaining anything that remained relevant and either moving interesting but outdated/superseded material to a postscript, or leaving it in with some kind of preface ("Pre-OoP, there was much speculation . . . ") or some such.  But we have lots of time to think about that.  

Did any of that make sense, Cindy?

Eloise on cataloguing:

Drat!
I'm sure I've been keying Lucius recently. I knew there was *something*.


Me:
Well, we could start a quiet resistance movement on Lucius.  <g>  I'm quite certain I have used Lucius on occasion in my cataloguing, and Sirius as well, because that's what the posters usually use.  Let's hope it won't be *too* much of a problem for the person writing the FP to search for our mistakes. <sigh>

Debbie
who thinks a hose tournament would be a highly entertaining addition to the books

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From heidit at netbox.com  Sun Jan 19 15:45:57 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:45:57 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Preparation of important FPs/Cataloguing
Message-ID: <200301191851.h0JIpbHI008205@BlackBerry.NET>

Pretty much what she said. Or possibly after book 5 is out, the fps might change to a structure with a  post-ootp-release simmary on top, then the original faq, or modified version thereof, and last, the post-ootp-posts and analysis. 
-----Original Message-----
From: elfundeb <elfundeb at comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:46:13 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HP4GU-FAQ] Preparation of important FPs/Cataloguing

Real-To:  elfundeb <elfundeb at comcast.net>

Heidi wrote:

> I am, but I agree with debbie that it would be great to have a pre 
>and post ootp version, if not a sort of brief summary of the 
>various perspectives, with a more estensive post ootp analysis. 

Cindy replied:

Hmmm.  I'm not sure how this would work.  Debbie or Heidi, can you 
elaborate?

Me:

I have no idea what idea of mine Heidi was referring to. I think my point was that I believe it is worthwhile to focus on memorialize some of our pre-OoP thinking on major characters into FPs which we can update later, after we've all had a substantial period of time to digest and analyze OoP (i.e., when we're ready for Book 6).  Although some of our current theories will be fodder for the GARBAGESCOW come June 21, what we've done will be worth preserving, for looking back at later on issues of misdirection and interpretation (as well as eating humble pie!), no matter how comically wrong we turn out to be in some cases.  Moreover, I suspect that our post-OoP discussions will in many respects take off from where we are now in our thinking, so that it *is* valuable to get major character and DE/Auror FPs done even though they will require substantial updating later, so we can use them as a reference point.  And for the same reason, I'd definitely vote for "quick updates" of so!
me of the older FPs now, before OoP is released along the lines Cindy suggested.

I had expressed an interest in social issues, and my favorite characters have been FP'd already.  But Dumbledore interests me, too, and since I've just used up a full paragraph arguing that the character FPs are important I'll volunteer to work with whomever it's already been assigned to (sorry, I've forgotten).

Actually, I don't think anything I've just said answers Cindy's question.  I think we would probably want to do post-OoP updates by revising the FPs, but by retaining anything that remained relevant and either moving interesting but outdated/superseded material to a postscript, or leaving it in with some kind of preface ("Pre-OoP, there was much speculation . . . ") or some such.  But we have lots of time to think about that.  

Did any of that make sense, Cindy?

Eloise on cataloguing:

Drat!
I'm sure I've been keying Lucius recently. I knew there was *something*.


Me:
Well, we could start a quiet resistance movement on Lucius.  <g>  I'm quite certain I have used Lucius on occasion in my cataloguing, and Sirius as well, because that's what the posters usually use.  Let's hope it won't be *too* much of a problem for the person writing the FP to search for our mistakes. <sigh>

Debbie
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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jan 20 15:46:52 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:46:52 EST
Subject: Today's trivia
Message-ID: <104.252ac96c.2b5d73ec@aol.com>

I'm enjoying this block (Oct 2001) - a mixture of complete drivel and OT 
posts with loads of really good ones.

Statistic of the day:

In October, 2001, Cindy posted 138 out of a total of 1629 posts, an average 
of nearly 
4 1/2 posts per day.

And some speculation from back then, re OoP, mainly.

>>In fact, it seems to me she's given
MORE clues about OOP (which I also don't like to use as a title,
because I think it will change) than she gave about GOF when it first
came out.
(Megan)


>>JKR has stated several times that HP4 was always envisioned as being 
a large book. She never realized how big until she actually wrote 
it. She also predicts HP7 to be huge. All the rumors of HP5 being 
as big or bigger are just that, rumors. Until the book is coming 
close to publishing, I don't think we really need to worry about 
OoP's size.
(Marcus)
[there seemed to be considerable concern at the time that GoF was *too long*]


>>Every cloud has a silver lining- I too have been fearing that Rowling 
has been larding her books too much, but luckily, she seems to have 
sensed that as well. Two hints about book 5 cheer me mightily- first, 
that it will definitely be shorter than book 4, and second, that 
Rowling is taking an enourmous amount of time with it, because, she 
says, she doesn't want to be caught up in a deadline. I have no doubt 
that GoF would have been three times better if it hadn't been rushed.
(Nicholaswebb)


And finally, on another topic, a relative newbie (but prolific poster - hint) 
asked........

>>Along those lines, are the VFAQs a work in progress, and if so, do we 
have an expected completion date for things like character summaries?


~Eloise

Off to take a break (viz sort the laundry)



From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 20 16:05:35 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:05:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Today's trivia
In-Reply-To: <104.252ac96c.2b5d73ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030120160535.17805.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>

Eloise Hedgehog wrote:

> In October, 2001, Cindy posted 138 out of a total of
> 1629 posts, an average 
> of nearly 
> 4 1/2 posts per day.

> [there seemed to be considerable concern at the time
> that GoF was *too long*]

The correlation is obvious.

Amy
who will be interested to see if Cindy yawns and puts
down OoP after page 500, saying "That's quite enough."



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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 20 17:16:05 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:16:05 -0000
Subject: Today's trivia & OoP Length
In-Reply-To: <20030120160535.17805.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b0hasl+edsp@eGroups.com>

Eloise noted:

> In October, 2001, Cindy posted 138 out of a total of
> 1629 posts, an average 
> of nearly 4 1/2 posts per day.

Uh, Eloise, would you like to trade message blocks with me?

You know, 4.5 posts a day sounds like a lot, but it's not, really.  
I mean, you post once every 6 hours or so, and there you go.  :-D


> Amy
> who will be interested to see if Cindy yawns and puts
> down OoP after page 500, saying "That's quite enough."

Oh, I can already tell OoP will be *way* too long.  Allow me to 
demonstrate:

"The hottest day of the summer [so far] was drawing to a close 
and a drowsy silence lay over the large, square houses of Privet 
Drive 
 The only person left outside was a teenage boy who was 
lying flat on his back in a flowerbed outside number four."

See, I'd delete "so far" from this passage, as it is redundant.  
Obviously, we can't know how hot the remaining days will be, so it 
is evident that the day is the hottest so far.  I mean, *Duh!*

That JKR is such a bag of wind, don't you think?  :-D

Cindy -- who hopes OoP will get off to a better start than GoF did





From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jan 20 17:42:04 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:42:04 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Today's trivia & OoP Length
Message-ID: <149.81e73ff.2b5d8eec@aol.com>

In a message dated 20/01/2003 17:16:41 GMT Standard Time, 
cindysphinx at comcast.net writes:


> Uh, Eloise, would you like to trade message blocks with me?
> 

No way. I'm into the home straight. Stand by for further announcements.

~Eloise



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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 20 18:03:16 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:03:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Helping JKR edit
In-Reply-To: <b0hasl+edsp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030120180316.35597.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Oh, I can already tell OoP will be *way* too long. 
> Allow me to 
> demonstrate:
> 
> "The hottest day of the summer [so far] was drawing
> to a close 
> and a drowsy silence lay over the large, square
> houses of Privet 
> Drive  The only person left outside was a teenage
> boy who was 
> lying flat on his back in a flowerbed outside number
> four."

I can go you several words better.  Deletions in
[brackets], additions in *asterisks.*

"The hottest day of the summer [so far] was [drawing
to a close] *ending* and a drowsy silence lay over the
[large, square] houses of Privet Drive  The only
person [left] outside was a teenage*r* [boy who was 
lying flat] on his back in a flowerbed outside number
four."

Or we could keep the whole dern thing to one page,
even including the chapter illustration by Mary
Grandpre.

R/H version:

"Harry got sick of the Dursleys and went to school. 
Potions sucked, Herbology was amusing.  Ron kissed
Hermione and she slapped him.  Hagrid died, and then
Voldemort tried to kill Harry.  It didn't work. 
Hermione asked Harry to spend the summer at her
house."  <commence waiting for Book 6>

H/H version:

"Harry got sick of the Dursleys and went to school. 
Potions sucked, Herbology was amusing.  Ron kissed
Hermione and she smiled through the rest of the year. 
Hagrid died, and then Voldemort tried to kill Harry. 
It didn't work."  <commence waiting for Book 6>

Amy

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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 20 18:14:52 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:14:52 -0000
Subject: Helping JKR edit -- OoP Cliffnotes Version
In-Reply-To: <20030120180316.35597.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b0heas+7jtd@eGroups.com>

Amy wrote:

> I can go you several words better.  Deletions in
> [brackets], additions in *asterisks.*

Order of the Phoenix, by J.K. Rowling, edited by Cindy

"Harry went to school.  Divination sucked.  Ron argued with 
Hermione.  Hermione argued with Harry.  Harry argued with Ron.  
Snape killed Hermione and Karkaroff.  Neville spilled his guts.  
Hagrid and Dumbledore killed each other."  

<takes bow>

Cindy -- thinking of all the ink this would save




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 20 18:17:03 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:17:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Helping JKR edit
In-Reply-To: <20030120180316.35597.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030120181703.70176.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com>

I wrote:

> R/H version:
 
> H/H version:

Oops, got my ships mixed up.

Amy
blowing her job as editor before she even lands it

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From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Jan 20 15:13:25 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:13:25 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Helping JKR edit
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1576131541.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

Yeah, I was about to dare you to post the r/h version you sent here over on SugarQuill :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Z <lupinesque at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:17:03 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HP4GU-FAQ] Helping JKR edit

Real-To:  Amy Z <lupinesque at yahoo.com>

I wrote:

> R/H version:
 
> H/H version:

Oops, got my ships mixed up.

Amy
blowing her job as editor before she even lands it

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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jan 20 21:37:35 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloise_herisson <eloiseherisson@aol.com>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:37:35 -0000
Subject: Ah-ha!
Message-ID: <b0hq6v+ddle@eGroups.com>


Cindy (19th Oct, 2001):

>>So I'd like to see OoP be very, very long (800+ pages would be fine 
with me),

although, to be fair,

>>and very, very tight. (If I could only have either long or 
tight, however, I'd pick tight every time.)

>>Cindy (who wishes her own writing were as lean as PoA)

Eloise
(who wishes JKR were as prolific as Cindy)





From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 20 22:38:35 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:38:35 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing question
Message-ID: <b0htpb+qglu@eGroups.com>

There's a whole thread about fanfic in my block.  I had skipped it 
all as OT, and now I'm wondering if it should have been catalogued - 
is there going to be a FP about fanfic, peoples thoughts on it or the 
shippiness, quality, etc. thereof?  
If so, do I need to add terms to the database?  

Kimberly
Crossing her fingers that the answer to all of the above is no.




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Mon Jan 20 22:40:37 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:40:37 EST
Subject: Another choice quote
Message-ID: <17b.14c5b67e.2b5dd4e5@aol.com>


Not only do I think Snape could be a most 
excellent nurse
--jenny from ravenclaw


~Eloise



From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 20 23:26:46 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:46 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing question
In-Reply-To: <b0htpb+qglu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0i0jm+lh84@eGroups.com>

Kimberly asked:

> There's a whole thread about fanfic in my block.  I had skipped it 
> all as OT, and now I'm wondering if it should have been 
>catalogued - is there going to be a FP about fanfic, peoples 
>thoughts on it or the shippiness, quality, etc. thereof?  
> If so, do I need to add terms to the database?  
> 
> Kimberly
> Crossing her fingers that the answer to all of the above is no.

Hmmm.  There is a fanfic FP, so the posts might be helpful on that 
score.  Can you give a few message numbers?  

I think the answer is that you should catalogue them, and you might 
need to add "Fanfic" as a keyword if the posts discuss the 
worthiness of FF in general or some such.  

Cindy




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 20 23:49:05 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:49:05 -0000
Subject: Just How Bad Was July 2002?
Message-ID: <b0i1th+8v84@eGroups.com>

Here's just a sampling of the messages from July 2002.

<shakes head in mild amusement>

Cindy

*************8

----- Original Message ----- > In response to the following by 
Annechan:

> > A point about the word "mudblood"... Is there a polite 
equivalent to
> > that word? I mean, "nigger" is not a really polite word, and you 
can't
> > use it to say "my friend is a nigger, we're going to Africa next 
week in
> > order to visit his other friends-niggers."

From: "Aesha Williams

> Well, I'm not sure where you're coming from- the "n" word isn't a 
nice
> or polite word in any context, to the majority of people.

That, Aesha, is because most people are ignorant of the fact that 
there does
exist a country called Niger, which when pronounced sounds just like 
the "n"
word. So you see, there is infact, a proper usage of the 
word "nigger".
One must therefore assume, or believe that there is also a proper 
usage
for the term "mudblood", when used in context in the wizard world. 
And that
it is just not another foul word.

"zeff8"







From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Mon Jan 20 23:58:41 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:58:41 -0000
Subject: New FPs
Message-ID: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

Here's a quick update on who has expressed interest in what FPs:

Heidi -- Malfoy Family 

Kimberly and Pip -- Hagrid

Eloise -- Character Names

Porphyria -- DEs/Aurors/Justice

Elkins/Amy -- Lupin

Ali -- Quidditch

Have I missed anyone?

**********

Now, since OoP is coming on fast, I figured it would be a good idea 
if we can work in fairly large teams to crank out FPs *very* 
quickly.  With that in mind, does anyone want to join one of the FP 
teams listed above?  Dicey?  Debbie?  Eileen?  Pip?  Catherine?  
Penny?

Here's a question for Ali:  Ali, since you had the Quidditch FP 
dropped on you, would you prefer instead to work with someone else 
on one of the other FPs listed above?  Or would you prefer to finish 
up the Quidditch FP?

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Jan 21 01:10:37 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 01:10:37 -0000
Subject: New FPs
In-Reply-To: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0i6md+herv@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>"
<cindysphinx at c...> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> Here's a quick update on who has expressed interest in what FPs:
> 
> Heidi -- Malfoy Family 
> 
> Kimberly and Pip -- Hagrid
> 
> Eloise -- Character Names
> 
> Porphyria -- DEs/Aurors/Justice
> 
> Elkins/Amy -- Lupin
> 
> Ali -- Quidditch
> 
> Have I missed anyone?
> 
> **********
> 
> Now, since OoP is coming on fast, I figured it would be a good idea 
> if we can work in fairly large teams to crank out FPs *very* 
> quickly.  With that in mind, does anyone want to join one of the FP 
> teams listed above?  Dicey?  Debbie?  Eileen?  Pip?  Catherine?  
> Penny?
> 
Hey Weezy!  Me, I can help you with Character Names.  

--Dicey, whimpering about taking on more stuff




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Jan 21 02:12:54 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:12:54 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New FPs
References: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015901c2c0f2$9c042090$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi there --

<<<<Now, since OoP is coming on fast, I figured it would be a good idea 
if we can work in fairly large teams to crank out FPs *very* 
quickly.  With that in mind, does anyone want to join one of the FP 
teams listed above?  Dicey?  Debbie?  Eileen?  Pip?  Catherine?  
Penny?>>>>>>>

How about if I update some of my original FAQs, which haven't been updated since March/April 2001?  Hermione I would definitely do.  The JKR one probably wouldn't take too much effort, though is probably not a top priority either.  I would suggest that the Wizarding World Govt one that I did be subsumed into the Justice one that Porphyria is working on.  I could also update the "adult vs. childrens' lit" one ........ and would suggest it now also address the secondary scholarship, etc. on HP, which I am now quite conversant in, thanks to Nimbus.  <g>  Cindy & Pippin took over my Mysteries FAQ.  That leaves Hogwarts ...... I'll leave that one to someone else I think.  Romantic Pairings......well, the updates can probably frankly wait until after OoP, as there isn't too much *new* material/arguments (though, wait, yeah I might want to incorporate Ebony's brilliant H/H analysis  -- <eg>).  

I was also actually .........no wait, stop me.........someone *please* stop me......... urgh.........well, you see, I have this interest in the Harry FP.........but wait.............I don't have time.........oh, I really don't have time.........but well, I could work *with* someone probably.  I .......er.......I could divide the Harry FP with at least one other person.  There, I said it.  *Divide* ... emphasis on the word *divide*!

Penny
(who thinks it would probably really be most helpful if she would finish off the measly 500 message block in cataloguing before volunteering to take on other things!)


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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Jan 21 03:26:59 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:59 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1576131542.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

The fanfic fp, which I need to update again, does have sections on issues that affect fanfic, so if you coulkd add them it would be great. 

Heidi, back and trying to swim upstream, I mean catch up
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:46 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question

Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at comcast.net>" <cindysphinx at comcast.net>

Kimberly asked:

> There's a whole thread about fanfic in my block.  I had skipped it 
> all as OT, and now I'm wondering if it should have been 
>catalogued - is there going to be a FP about fanfic, peoples 
>thoughts on it or the shippiness, quality, etc. thereof?  
> If so, do I need to add terms to the database?  
> 
> Kimberly
> Crossing her fingers that the answer to all of the above is no.

Hmmm.  There is a fanfic FP, so the posts might be helpful on that 
score.  Can you give a few message numbers?  

I think the answer is that you should catalogue them, and you might 
need to add "Fanfic" as a keyword if the posts discuss the 
worthiness of FF in general or some such.  

Cindy


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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Jan 21 05:47:59 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 00:47:59 -0500
Subject: JKR meets Mary Poppins
References: <b0i1th+8v84@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c2c110$a7d225c0$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Just thought I'd share this one:

> The question becomes I guess, How did Hagrid get to the Island where 
> Uncle Vernon had Harry stashed to avoid those letters? We know he 
> flew, but HOW did he fly?

I have not one shred of canon to back this up, other than he had it with
him at the time, but I always pictured Hagrid flying in like Mary Poppins
on his pink umbrella. :)

So how do I code it?  ;-} Hagrid as mother figure?  Harry's nanny?

Debbie



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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Tue Jan 21 08:04:09 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 03:04:09 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: JKR meets Mary Poppins
Message-ID: <ce.332eb7c0.2b5e58f9@aol.com>

In a message dated 21/01/2003 05:51:21 GMT Standard Time, 
elfundeb at comcast.net writes:


> I have not one shred of canon to back this up, other than he had it with
> him at the time, but I always pictured Hagrid flying in like Mary Poppins
> on his pink umbrella. :)
> 

Was that me, by any chance? Oh, no, it's got the wrong kind of smiley. I'm 
pretty sure I've suggested it, though!

I'd put it under 'Transport', personally!

~Eloise

Who thinking about it, has known quite a few nurses like Snape - mostly 
midwives (or mad wives as they are sometimes known in the trade)


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From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 22 02:40:48 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:40:48 -0000
Subject: Cataloguing question
Message-ID: <b0l0bg+rp25@eGroups.com>

Thanks Heidi and Cindy, I'll go back and catalogue them.

Kimberly

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> The fanfic fp, which I need to update again, does have sections on 
issues that affect fanfic, so if you coulkd add them it would be 
great. 
> 
> Heidi, back and trying to swim upstream, I mean catch up
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:46 
> To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> 
> Kimberly asked:
> 
> > There's a whole thread about fanfic in my block.  I had skipped 
it 
> > all as OT, and now I'm wondering if it should have been 
> >catalogued - is there going to be a FP about fanfic, peoples 
> >thoughts on it or the shippiness, quality, etc. thereof?  
> > If so, do I need to add terms to the database?  
> > 
> > Kimberly
> > Crossing her fingers that the answer to all of the above is no.
> 
> Hmmm.  There is a fanfic FP, so the posts might be helpful on that 
> score.  Can you give a few message numbers?  
> 
> I think the answer is that you should catalogue them, and you might 
> need to add "Fanfic" as a keyword if the posts discuss the 
> worthiness of FF in general or some such.  
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
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From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Jan 22 02:39:49 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:39:49 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question
Message-ID: <mailman.11.1576131542.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

Thanks, much appreciated!
-----Original Message-----
From: "Kimberly <moongirlk at yahoo.com>" <moongirlk at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:40:48 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question

Real-To:  "Kimberly <moongirlk at yahoo.com>" <moongirlk at yahoo.com>

Thanks Heidi and Cindy, I'll go back and catalogue them.

Kimberly

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Heidi Tandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> The fanfic fp, which I need to update again, does have sections on 
issues that affect fanfic, so if you coulkd add them it would be 
great. 
> 
> Heidi, back and trying to swim upstream, I mean catch up
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:26:46 
> To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Cataloguing question
> 
> Real-To:  "Cindy C. <cindysphinx at c...>" <cindysphinx at c...>
> 
> Kimberly asked:
> 
> > There's a whole thread about fanfic in my block.  I had skipped 
it 
> > all as OT, and now I'm wondering if it should have been 
> >catalogued - is there going to be a FP about fanfic, peoples 
> >thoughts on it or the shippiness, quality, etc. thereof?  
> > If so, do I need to add terms to the database?  
> > 
> > Kimberly
> > Crossing her fingers that the answer to all of the above is no.
> 
> Hmmm.  There is a fanfic FP, so the posts might be helpful on that 
> score.  Can you give a few message numbers?  
> 
> I think the answer is that you should catalogue them, and you might 
> need to add "Fanfic" as a keyword if the posts discuss the 
> worthiness of FF in general or some such.  
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
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> HP4GU-FAQ-unsubscribe at egroups.com
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From editor at texas.net  Wed Jan 22 03:02:59 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:02:59 -0600
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] New FPs
References: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c2c1c2$c61cfd40$956763d1@texas.net>

Sorry, Cindy or Porphyria, I wasn't sure where this went, but in case it
*doesn't* go without saying, please give my Dark Mark stuff to whomever ends
up doing the FAQ it would be most appropriate in.

Wow, one sentence. Sorry I'm not more help at the moment, but the new job is
really wringing the hours out of me. I do scan over messages, though, so if
anyone needs anything proofed/edited, I can do that.

Useless!Geistperson





From porphyria at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 22 03:13:53 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria Ashenden <porphyria@mindspring.com>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 03:13:53 -0000
Subject: New FPs
In-Reply-To: <004701c2c1c2$c61cfd40$956763d1@texas.net>
Message-ID: <b0l29h+m83a@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

> Sorry, Cindy or Porphyria, I wasn't sure where this went, but in 
case it
> *doesn't* go without saying, please give my Dark Mark stuff to 
whomever ends
> up doing the FAQ it would be most appropriate in.

I had intended to put it in the Death Eaters/Aurors/Justice FP. 
Under "Death Eaters." There are actually a lot of cool Dark Mark/Scar 
theories, and I'm looking forward to documenting them.

Don't worry Amanda, I wouldn't forget your stuff. :-)

~Porphyria

p.s. Cindy -- It's definitely Perseus, not Phineas! It's supposed to 
be an acronym, for gosh sakes, you should be able to work it out. ;-)




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 22 11:14:32 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:14:32 EST
Subject: Lost key word.
Message-ID: <143.86308e0.2b5fd718@aol.com>

Didn't we used to have a key, 'Obstacles', or something, for the enchantments 
guarding the Philosopher's Stone?
I was sure there was something, but I can't find it.

Anyone point me to the right word?

Thanks, 
~Eloise



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Jan 22 11:30:33 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:30:33 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Lost key word.
References: <143.86308e0.2b5fd718@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c2c209$ad9ae920$723b3244@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Eloise:

<<<Didn't we used to have a key, 'Obstacles', or something, for the enchantments 
guarding the Philosopher's Stone?
I was sure there was something, but I can't find it.

Anyone point me to the right word?>>>>

It's Barriers.

Sadly, I forget keywords all the time; 300+ is just too much for my feeble brain.  Just yesterday I realized that I'd been using "Transportation" instead of "Transport"; I can't remember whether it's Warrior Ethic or Warrior Culture.  

Now, if I didn't fix it, would a search for "Transport" pull up both Transport and Transportation, or does the search term have to match the contents of the cell exactly?  I would have thought it would pick it up, but I'm planning to go back and fix it anyway.

Debbie


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 22 12:02:26 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:02:26 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Lost key word.
Message-ID: <48.16f81b07.2b5fe252@aol.com>

In a message dated 22/01/2003 11:32:03 GMT Standard Time, 
elfundeb at comcast.net writes:



> Anyone point me to the right word?>>>>
> 
> It's Barriers.

Thanks, Debbie!
I'm not too much further, having managed to get myself a line out (due to 
missing a shot post) and had to backtrack.
Grrrr!

> 
> Sadly, I forget keywords all the time; 300+ is just too much for my feeble 
> brain.  Just yesterday I realized that I'd been using "Transportation" 
> instead of "Transport";


Ah. <looks sheepish>
That's because I put the keyword in the database. It's a language thing: we 
have transport, you have transportation.

 I can't remember whether it's Warrior Ethic or Warrior Culture.  

> 
> Now, if I didn't fix it, would a search for "Transport" pull up both 
> Transport and Transportation, or does the search term have to match the 
> contents of the cell exactly?  I would have thought it would pick it up, 
> but I'm planning to go back and fix it anyway.

I nearly asked a similar question this morning. Well, different, actually.

I want to know whether the search turns up the post number, or the line 
number (which has some significance when you're dealing with SHIPs and post 
stray over more than one line).

How about it, Dicey? Although it's too late now, really ;-)

Oh, and thanks for you offer of help, Dicey. I do have some vague ideas about 
how I'd  like to go about the names FP, but in that I can't (as I understand 
it) actually *search* Excel spreadsheets (I think my free downloaded software 
only allows me to read Excel), I'm going to be reduced to scrolling through 
everyones catalogues and writing down message numbers. So, yes, I could do 
with some help!

~Eloise





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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 22 12:18:46 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:18:46 EST
Subject: Fanfic keyword
Message-ID: <63.1762f5bf.2b5fe626@aol.com>

Following on Kimberly's cataloguing question, I need an FF keyword, too.

I've just entered "Fanfic" as it doesn't seem to be there, yet. Hope that's 
OK, Kimberly. If you've keyed it differently in your catalogue, please change 
it in the database and let me know so I can amend mine. I don't think this is 
going to be a big thread for me.

Thanks

~eloise



From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Jan 22 14:24:21 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:24:21 -0000
Subject: Lost key word & Excel Issues
In-Reply-To: <48.16f81b07.2b5fe252@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b0m9il+e2v4@eGroups.com>

Debbie asked:

> Now, if I didn't fix it, would a search for "Transport" pull up 
>both  Transport and Transportation, or does the search term have to 
>match the contents of the cell exactly?  I would have thought it 
>would pick it up, but I'm planning to go back and fix it anyway.

Yes, I think a search for "Transport" would pick 
up "Transportation," but not the other way around, so we'll want to 
keep that in mind while searching for things.

Actually, though, I think sorting the spreadsheets alphabetically 
will be much more useful than searching.  It will group things 
together for you and allow you to disregard everything else.  
Eloise, do you have a "sort" function?

Lastly, I've noticed that I can't open Eloise's spreadsheets.  Is 
there anything to be done for that?

Cindy




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Jan 22 14:28:44 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:28:44 -0000
Subject: You People Are Freaking Me Out!
Message-ID: <b0m9qs+t0dt@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I woke up in a cold sweat last night.  I was thinking about how 
we're almost finished with the cataloguing, which is a good thing.  
But then I realized that some of you have worked very hard to 
catalogue messages and have done quite a lot of work, but you 
haven't uploaded your spreadsheets.  

In a very long time.  

Or at all.

<deep cleansing breath>

This means that hundreds, maybe even thousands, of messages are at 
the mercy of your hard drives.

::shudder::

Please, please, *please,* will everyone try to upload their work to 
the files section with great frequency?  Like, every 75-100 messages 
or so?  Puh-leeze!  :-0

MotherHen!Cindy




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Jan 22 14:49:34 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:49:34 -0000
Subject: New FPs
In-Reply-To: <b0i2fh+q96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0mb1u+8nri@eGroups.com>

> 
> Here's a question for Ali:  Ali, since you had the Quidditch FP 
> dropped on you, would you prefer instead to work with someone else 
> on one of the other FPs listed above?  Or would you prefer to 
finish up the Quidditch FP?

As much as some of the other FP's are alot more, erm... interesting 
than Quidditch (IMHO of course), given the amount of time I've spent 
on Quidditch, I'll stick with that if it's ok.

Ali

Who would love to spend much more time on this than she has, and even 
took her Quidditch stuff with her babysitting last night - but the 
power of James Bond and Dances with Wolves (for the nth time) proved 
to great - and it stayed unopened in her bag.




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 22 15:08:56 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:08:56 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Lost key word & Excel Issues
Message-ID: <42.33ff4638.2b600e08@aol.com>

Cindy:
> Actually, though, I think sorting the spreadsheets alphabetically 
> will be much more useful than searching.  It will group things 
> together for you and allow you to disregard everything else.  
> Eloise, do you have a "sort" function?


I agree. Sorting will pick up the spelling errors (I can't type), spelling 
differences (I only spell American when I think hard enough), minor errors in 
keying, etc.

I've just opened one of you spreadsheets, Cindy, and no I don't think I can 
do anything with it but read it. Except admire it, of course.

(Or do you mean on mine? There is a sort function, but I haven't played with 
it yet.)

But as Dicey has kindly offered to help me...........

But couldn't someone <looks innocently in the direction of She Who Has Just 
Been Named> just upload the sorted version of the whole lot so that they're 
just there for every one to scroll through?

I'm probably the only one this would really help, I suppose.

Otherwise, I suppose it's investing in whatever it is that has Excel and Word 
in it.
Which I guess I should one day.


> 
> Lastly, I've noticed that I can't open Eloise's spreadsheets.  Is 
> there anything to be done for that?
> 

All part of a devilish cunning plan...........

Actually, when I try to open them it says it can't, but then does after a 
brief pause.
<shrug>

I think Dicey said she can convert Works to Word.
I *hope* she can.
*PLEASE* don't tell me all this cataloguing's been in vain!

And I have to beg indulgence on the current uploading, Mother Hen. I did try, 
this morning before I started, but it wouldn't let me. If I don't do any more 
for the rest of today I *should* be able to tomorrow.

~Eloise



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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 22 15:13:04 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:13:04 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Lost key word & Excel Issues
In-Reply-To: <b0m9il+e2v4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017DDD0B-2E1C-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Lastly, I've noticed that I can't open Eloise's spreadsheets.? Is
> there anything to be done for that?

Have you tried downloading them to your hard drive, and then right 
clicking, selecting the "open with" option, and then selecting Excel? 
That worked for me.

If this fails for a lot of people,  I can convert her spreadsheets to 
the current Excel version today at work (Microsoft gods willing).

~Porphyria


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From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Wed Jan 22 15:26:18 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:26:18 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Lost key word & Excel Issues
Message-ID: <84.7dba749.2b60121a@aol.com>

Porphyria:

> Have you tried downloading them to your hard drive, and then right 
> clicking, selecting the "open with" option, and then selecting Excel? 
> That worked for me.
> 
> 

Well, it works for me!!!!

Thank you ! Thank you! Thank you!

I did the reverse, saving one of Cindy's and opening with with Works.
And I sorted part of a column!

Eeh, I'm well away now!

~Eloise
Feeling terribly proud of her self and thinking it really is time she found 
out something about computers!


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From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Wed Jan 22 15:39:34 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:39:34 -0000
Subject: Lost key word & Excel Issues
In-Reply-To: <017DDD0B-2E1C-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <b0mdvm+65uq@eGroups.com>

Porphyria:

> Have you tried downloading them to your hard drive, and then right 
> clicking, selecting the "open with" option, and then selecting 
>Excel? That worked for me.

Hey!  That worked just great!  Thanks, Porphyria!

Cindy




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Jan 22 19:28:27 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:28:27 -0000
Subject: New FPs
In-Reply-To: <b0l29h+m83a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0mrcr+7h7c@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Porphyria Ashenden
<porphyria at m...>" <porphyria at m...> wrote:
> 
> p.s. Cindy -- It's definitely Perseus, not Phineas! It's supposed to 
> be an acronym, for gosh sakes, you should be able to work it out. ;-)

p.s. Porphyria -- It was I who wrote "Phineas," not Cindy.  And it's
supposed to be an "anagram," for gosh sakes, otherwise it would be in
all caps with dots in between. ;-)




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Jan 22 19:31:08 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:31:08 -0000
Subject: Lost key word & Excel Issues
In-Reply-To: <42.33ff4638.2b600e08@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b0mrhs+ogm2@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> 
> But couldn't someone <looks innocently in the direction of She Who
Has Just 
> Been Named> just upload the sorted version of the whole lot so that
they're 
> just there for every one to scroll through?

I've been thinking about creating a master spreadsheet of everything
that has been done to date, but the done stuff would have to be correct.

--Dicey, whose boss just walked in and said she's getting dangerously
close to not working minimal hours to get insurance and so suddenly
finds her time harshly curtailed.  And who is just now going down for
a nap.




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Jan 23 06:52:20 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:52:20 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: New FPs
In-Reply-To: <b0mrcr+7h7c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <37DA45D2-2E9F-11D7-83EB-000393465128@mindspring.com>


On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 02:28 PM, dicentra63 
<dicentra at xmission.com> wrote:

> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Porphyria Ashenden
> <porphyria at m...>" <porphyria at m...> wrote:
> >
> > p.s. Cindy -- It's definitely Perseus, not Phineas! It's supposed to
> > be an acronym, for gosh sakes, you should be able to work it out. ;-)
>
> p.s. Porphyria -- It was I who wrote "Phineas," not Cindy.? And it's
> supposed to be an "anagram," for gosh sakes, otherwise it would be in
> all caps with dots in between. ;-)

Yes, but Cindy is the one writing the poll, as I understand it; hence I 
was pointing my remark at her.

I seem to spend more time trying to comprehend acronyms than anagrams, 
through no fault of my own, hence the slip. Perhaps I should stop 
reading the main list...

~P.


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From moongirlk at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 23 17:36:43 2003
From: moongirlk at yahoo.com (Kimberly <moongirlk@yahoo.com>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:36:43 -0000
Subject: Fanfic keyword
In-Reply-To: <63.1762f5bf.2b5fe626@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b0p97b+dt82@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, eloiseherisson at a... wrote:
> OK, Kimberly. If you've keyed it differently in your catalogue, 
please change 
> it in the database and let me know so I can amend mine. I don't 
think this is 
> going to be a big thread for me.

Fanfic works fine for me, since I haven't yet actually gone back and 
catalogued mine yet.  

Kimberly





From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Thu Jan 23 18:34:15 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:15 -0000
Subject: A Gem In My Message Block
Message-ID: <b0pcj7+3po1@eGroups.com>

Someone made a good point in a message in my block!  <blinks in 
disbelief>  It's in message 41906:

**************

2. pg 431: Hermione is telling off Rita Skeeter in the Three 
Broomsticks, and
Rita replies: "Sit down, you silly little girl, and don't talk about 
things
you don't understand," said Rita Skeeter coldly....(re: Ludo Bagman)

Wait, I thought. I've heard something similar to this line 
before...aha, here
it is...

PoA pg 360: "KEEP QUIET, YOU STUPID GIRL!" Snape shouted, looking 
suddenly
quite deranged. "DON'T TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" (Re: 
Black's
innocence)

Interesting...is this just a common put-down for girls in the 
Potterverse? Or,
is it something that JKR heard as a "swotty" little girl and brought 
it out
again for her "younger" self -- Hermione? Or, is this just the 
lowest put down
you can give Hermione, who prides herself on being "the cleverest 
witch of her
age"? Just thought I'd draw that comparison. 

************

Cindy -- who never noticed that before




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Thu Jan 23 18:39:49 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:39:49 -0000
Subject: Oooh!  Another Gem!
Message-ID: <b0pctl+p5c0@eGroups.com>

This, courtesy of Arcum in Message 41912:

*************

Incidentally, I was just going through trying to figure out what
color eyes everyone has, according to the books. Here's what I've
found so far:

green: Harry, Lily, & Dobby
grey: Draco, Lucius, & Cedric
silver: Ollivander & Prongs
brown: Ginny, Hermione, & Winky
black: Hagrid, Madam Maxime, Snape, & Peeves
yellow: Hooch, Crookshanks, Mrs. Norris (Filch?)
amber: Hedwig
blue: Dumbledore, Ludo, Fluer, Dudley, Lockhart, Firenze, & Karkaroff
red: Voldemort (Though others have turned red at times)

**************

Cindy -- noticing that her block is improving now that she is almost 
finished




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Thu Jan 23 20:53:19 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:53:19 EST
Subject: An essential perspective on H/H
Message-ID: <ab.286c0781.2b61b03f@aol.com>

One I've just deleted, but which made me laugh, particularly with current 
posts in mind (not that I *follow* SHIPping debates very closely, you 
understand)

>Perhaps that's a topic for the SHIPpers: what would happen if H & H 
>had kids, what would their hair be like? ;-)

>A Barkeep in Diagon Alley

~Eloise




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jan 23 22:11:51 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali <Ali@zymurgy.org>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:11:51 -0000
Subject: Being Dense
Message-ID: <b0ppb7+g5hq@eGroups.com>

Being rather erm computer illiterate, I've just tried and failed to 
upload my spread sheet. I was told that my file was either empty or 
corrupted. Could someone please tell me how to do it?

Ali

Who's making slow progress and hope's that she'll speed up with 
practice




From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan 23 22:59:54 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:59:54 -0000
Subject: Being Dense
In-Reply-To: <b0ppb7+g5hq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b0ps5a+u71g@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Ali <Ali at z...>" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> Being rather erm computer illiterate, I've just tried and failed to 
> upload my spread sheet. I was told that my file was either empty or 
> corrupted. Could someone please tell me how to do it?
> 
In the Files section, there's a folder called "ExcelHelp."  Open it
and find the file that says "Click on this file."  It's a help file
for this very project.  Then click on the option at the top of the
document that says "How to upload files to the site."

Hope that helps.

--Dicey, feeling a sudden urge to howl at the moon




From cindysphinx at comcast.net  Thu Jan 23 23:23:44 2003
From: cindysphinx at comcast.net (Cindy C. <cindysphinx@comcast.net>)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:23:44 -0000
Subject: *WHEW!*
Message-ID: <b0pti0+8jdb@eGroups.com>

Oh, Thank Goodness!

I finished my message block and met my pledge.  

I need some chocolate.  ;-)

Cindy




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 24 07:55:26 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:55:26 EST
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Being Dense
Message-ID: <1e2.26abcc.2b624b6e@aol.com>

Don't worry, Ali, that happens to me all the time. What are you working in? 
As I expect you know by now, I'm in Works and it just seems that it takes 
ever such a long time for the stuff to be properly saved to disk. At least, 
that's how *I* with zero technical knowledge explain it!

I find that if I wait long enough (viz overnight, sometimes a little longer) 
then it uploads fine. But if I so much as *touch* it before trying to upload, 
then it won't co-operate.

Sometimes it can be beneficial to have a copy of the file, so that if you 
know you want to upload what you've done and so can't touch it for a bit, you 
can work on the copy and then, next time, upload *that* one.

Funnily, yesterday, even though I'd waited overnight, my file wouldn't upload 
and so out of curiosity, I tried to upload the copy - which worked! 

<shrug>

Computers, eh?

~Eloise
Off to upload (she hopes!)
And noting that it's only a quarter moon and wondering what Dicey feels like 
when it's full.



From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jan 24 10:39:10 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:39:10 EST
Subject: Being Dense
Message-ID: <180.1508bc6d.2b6271ce@aol.com>

OK, I'll tell you something else weird.

When I tried to upload earlier this morning, of course I got the old empty or 
corrupted message. So I saved a copy under a different name.

Just now, I tried to upload again. It still wouldn't let me upload the 
original, but it *did* let me upload the freshly-made copy.

So try that, if your still having problems.

~Mystified!Eloise



From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Jan 27 15:18:25 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:18:25 -0000
Subject: OMG!  Insight from Finwitch
Message-ID: <b13ik1+n8di@eGroups.com>

I was startled to see this from Finwitch, 37674.  It's actually
insightful.  Unless I've been doing this too long... :D

But - so far I can see one thing that unites these fantasy "goodie"-
criminals. When someone does them this bad thing - they don't hold a 
grudge. A killer-"goodie" thinks an attempt on his *own* life is 
just "part of business" or "misunderstanding". A "goodie"-thief who 
has been stolen from either does not get angry or is angry at himself 
for not taking better care of his possessions... In other words, they 
*can* taste their own medicine. Their goodie-friends don't exactly 
approve these habits, though, but a reader *does* get to think that 
they *are* on the good side despite of their bad habits.

Severus Snape doesn't accept his own faults in others, sees these 
faults where he couldn't be more wrong -- he simply breaks the custom 
of a goodie with a very bad habit. We get a hint from AD (who seems 
to be the one who knows and knows he knows) that he *is* a goodie, 
but the character contradicts what *every* other goodie with nasty 
faults has been so far.





From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jan 30 03:05:18 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (dicentra63 <dicentra@xmission.com>)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:05:18 -0000
Subject: Key Word List stuff
Message-ID: <b1a4pe+a3r5@eGroups.com>

To whomever added the term "location -- where is Hogwarts, etc." I
went and deleted it because "Geography" already covers that category.
 You'll want to replace it in your cataloging.

Also, remember to capitalize the first letter of an entry, because
Yahoo puts capital letters first, lower-case second.

The first person to pull an Avery about this will get Crucio'd.  No
apologies or confessions accepted.

--Dicey, who likes to let culprits be anonymous