From joyw at gwu.edu  Sun Jun  1 03:03:00 2003
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:03:00 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Digest Number 330
References: <1054371021.419.66156.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <12fa01c327ea$4f7564f0$6401000a@Joy>

Cindy wrote:
<<I was about to get started sending out invitations, and it occurred
to me that I can't easily get the e-mail addresses of the people on
our list because I don't have Mod privileges on the Main List.  I
can only see the beginning of the addresses.  Can someone gather the e-mail
addresses and post them here?  >>

I'd be happy to do gather the email addresses.  I don't recognize all of
these names, bad lurker that I am, so I won't offer any commentary on the
suggestions.

Veronica - couldn't find her, sorry
Abigail - abigailnus at yahoo.com
Derannimer - susannahlm at yahoo.com
Phyllis - erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com
Jo Serenadust - jmmears at comcast.net
Charis Julia - charisjulia at hotmail.com
Morgan D. morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com
Gail - assuming this is Gail B, the FILKer- gandharvika at hotmail.com
Naama - naama_gat at hotmail.com
Melody - Malady579 at hotmail.com
Tom Wall - thomasmwall at yahoo.com
Eric Oppen - oppen at mycns.net

~Joy~







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Jun  1 20:18:01 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:18:01 -0000
Subject: New FAQers (WAS Re: Digest Number 330)
In-Reply-To: <12fa01c327ea$4f7564f0$6401000a@Joy>
Message-ID: <bbdn1p+mmkl@eGroups.com>

Thanks, Joy!  I sent e-mails to the prospective members just now.  
I'll let you know what I hear when I hear it.

Cindy -- who might take it personally if every single one of them 
declines






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Jun  1 20:57:12 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:57:12 -0000
Subject: New FAQers 
In-Reply-To: <bbdn1p+mmkl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbdpb8+co22@eGroups.com>

Good news!  Derannimer has agreed to join us, and I just sent her an 
invitation.

Derannimer, make yourself comfortable, read the archives and 
say "Hello" whenever you're ready!

And welcome aboard!

Cindy




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 02:28:07 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 02:28:07 -0000
Subject: Hello!
Message-ID: <bbecnn+fkms@eGroups.com>

Er, well, hello all!

<taps mike>

I must say, I'm tremendously honored to ask to be helped with all --

<waves hand helplessly at the 59,121 messages>

-- all of this. Also tremendously overwhelmed -- I guess it never 
occured to me before how much *work* all of you do, and I frankly 
haven't a clue how to get started. Don't get me wrong -- it looks 
like *fun* work -- but I rather feel like I need the equivalent of a 
List Elf about now to tell me where to begin. How does this work, 
anyway: Do we get assigned to specific sorts of things, or do people 
sort of take various tasks as is their preference? What FAQs are we 
thinking of updating -- or are we just going to wait until OOP comes 
out and then update *all* of them in one "swell foop"? When we do see 
particularly interesting posts, is there some sort of catch-all file 
we can send them to until we're ready to write them into a FAQ? Does 
being on this list mean that I have to start reading all the posts, 
at least to the main list? Is this even humanly possible? 

And, er, would it perhaps have been better for me just to have lurked 
for a couple of weeks and watched things operate until I could answer 
all of these questions myself?



Derannimer, who really is pleased as punch to be asked here

----

"Anything a body is obliged to do is work, and anything a body is not 
obliged to do is play." -- Mark Twain




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 16:24:15 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 16:24:15 -0000
Subject: Hello!
In-Reply-To: <bbecnn+fkms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbftnf+ucec@eGroups.com>

Deranimmer wrote:

> Er, well, hello all!

Well, hello to you, too!  And welcome aboard!


> I must say, I'm tremendously honored to ask to be helped with all -
-
> 
> <waves hand helplessly at the 59,121 messages>


Can I say that the feeling is mutual?  We're honored to have you, 
and we feel helpless.  ;-)


>I frankly 
> haven't a clue how to get started. 


Not to worry.  Perhaps a quick tour around the place is in order?

I'll hit the highlights, and I'll let others pop in to correct me 
and embellish and all of that.

OK.  This is the FAQ list.  The only thing we do is handle 
the "Fantastic Posts and Where to Find Them."  

We don't have anything to do with the administration of the HPfGU 
lists.  No, no, no.  There is a whole separate list for that -- you 
know, sending howlers, assigning elves to new members, posting ADMIN 
announcements, determining list policy.  Quite a number of the FAQ 
members are members of that other list (known as the "MEG" list -- 
for Moderators/Elves/Geists).  So don't worry.  You won't have to do 
any actual heavy lifting or anything.  Everything we do is creative 
-- we're creating new FPs and updating the old ones.

We do, however, have our own system of governance -- anarchy.  No 
one is in charge, and our active members all have moderator powers.  
Just don't, er, delete the list, OK?  ;-)  When someone has an idea 
or proposal, they just toss it out, and if a few people nod and no 
one objects, then we act on it.  

>Don't get me wrong -- it looks 
> like *fun* work -- but I rather feel like I need the equivalent of 
>a List Elf about now to tell me where to begin. 

Well, that's the best part.  There's nothing to do right now but 
learn your way around.  You'll want to read the archives and poke 
around in the databases and files.  

Back in September, we decided to make a big push to improve the 
FPs.  We reformated them to make sure all of them had working links, 
we spiffed them up visually, and we launched a few new ones.

We also embarked on a very ambitious plan to catalogue the main 
list.  We created an Excel spreadsheet of most every post from post 
20,000-41,000, more or less.  We also described the post and 
assigned key words to the posts.  So now if you want to find posts 
that discuss whether Ron is ESE, you can use the Excel spreadsheet.

Why only 20,000-41,000?  

Uh, we got tired?  ;-)  Seriously, we worked for months to produce 
the catalogue, and we realized we'd never be able to keep up at the 
rate members were posting.  But it is a fabulous resource 
(previously, each FAQ writer had to comb the entire list to find 
relevant posts), and we're exploring ways to handle the deluge post-
OoP without resorting to the previous cataloguing process.


>Do we get assigned to specific sorts of things, or do people 
> sort of take various tasks as is their preference? 


The latter.  In fact, the reason we don't have a "Harry Potter FP" 
is simply because no one has volunteered to write one.

When the FAQ list was founded, each member took a gob of topics and 
started writing FAQs.  This worked well enough in the beginning -- 
list volume was low, so one person could easily handle several 
topics.  When we decided to gear up in October, though, we realized 
the list was too large and too busy for one person to handle any one 
topic.  

That means that the way you get work around here is just step 
forward and say, "I'd like to write X.  Would anyone like to help?"  
And you take it from there.  Or if someone is already working on an 
FP, you can just ask them if they'd like help.

>What FAQs are we thinking of updating -- or are we just going to 
>wait until OOP comes out and then update *all* of them in 
>one "swell foop"? 


Ah, you ask good questions.  Originally, we were hoping to finish a 
few more FPs before OoP, but <checks calendar> that doesn't look 
likely right now.  So we'll write and update FPs after OoP, I guess.

I think we'll all take some time to read and enjoy OoP and post a 
bit and whatever, then we'll turn our attention to writing/updating 
FPs.  My feeling is that the first month of posting post-OoP won't 
contain all that many posts that are "fantastic."

I might have a go at updating Hypothetic Alley a bit, though.  
Imperius!Arthur, Assassin!Snape.  Maybe there's some other stuff.  
And Eileen said she'd like to create something to point people 
toward the Crouch Triology Cubed.

I posted a status chart about a week ago saying who had agreed to 
work on what post.

>When we do see 
> particularly interesting posts, is there some sort of catch-all ?
>file we can send them to until we're ready to write them into a 
>FAQ? 

Uh, yeah.  Only I haven't created the database for that yet.  
<blushes>  But yeah, I think just having each of us identify 
fantastic posts we happen to notice and enter them into a database 
here will be more manageable than trying to catalogue post-OoP posts.


>Does being on this list mean that I have to start reading all the 
>posts, at least to the main list? 


No way.


>Is this even humanly possible? 

No way.

 
> And, er, would it perhaps have been better for me just to have 
>lurked for a couple of weeks and watched things operate until I 
>could answer all of these questions myself?

Heck, no!  We love questions.  There's a lot to figure out, so shout 
out if you have any questions at all.

Let's see.  Our recruitment drive is going very well.  I've invited 
Derannimer, Melody, Phyllis and Abigail.  Veronica is too busy right 
now, so I've told her she's welcome any time her schedule eases up.

OK, what did I forget, folks?

Cindy




From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 17:33:11 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:33:11 -0000
Subject: Hello too!
In-Reply-To: <bbftnf+ucec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbg1on+cp8o@eGroups.com>


<waves nervously>

Hi all.  Yet another new member here.  Like Derannimer, I'd like to say thank you for 
being asked to join.  I've spent the afternoon knocking around the place, seeing the 
sights, and can I just say how impressed I am by the Whole Enchilada?  That's quite an 
accomplishment, guys.

My academic semester will be ending soon, and it'll be followed by a month of finals (and 
OOP, of course) so I'm not going to be up to much before the end of July.  I do have a 
few questions, however:

1. I'm a bit fuzzy about the difference between a Fantastic Posts essay and a Hypothetic 
Alley essay.  How exactly do you determine whether a discussion will be covered by a FP 
or HA?  For example, if we were writing a Harry FP, where would Stoned!Harry go?  

2. I've been looking around the FP, and I notice a great variety in how the articles are set 
up.  Some essays are bullet points with relevant message numbers, and others present 
arguments in condensed forms while pointing to representative messages of those 
arguments.  Is there a preferred form?

3. When writing an FP, how do you decide which topics go in?  Is one person responsible 
for an FP from beginning to end, or is the work parceled out?

4. The biggie: what is the purpose of Fantastic Posts?  Are they meant to serve as a 
stepping stones for newbies, providing an alternative to Yahoo!mort's dreaded search 
feature, or are the essays supposed to be 'position papers', providing a condensed 
analysis of their topic for whoever might be interested?  I suspect the answer is both, and 
also some other things which I haven't thought of.

5. Brainwave: what about Nimbus?  I don't know if this is going to happen, but back 
when Nimbus was first announced, it was suggested that summaries of papers and 
panels would be posted on the Nimbus website.  Is there any plan to add the Nimbus 
papers to FP, as a segment of their own or as addendums to relevant topics?  Or am I 
thinking too far ahead?

Well, I have to go - today is Student Day, a 36-hour-long extravaganza, the origins of 
which are lost in the mists of time.  Mostly it's an excuse for corporate sponsors to 
harangue a captive audience, but they're bringing in some good bands.

Glad to be here,
Abigail




From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Jun  2 17:56:54 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 17:56:54 -0000
Subject: Hello!
In-Reply-To: <bbecnn+fkms@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbg356+isti@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" <susannahlm at y...> wrote:
> Er, well, hello all!
> 
> <taps mike>
> 
> I must say, I'm tremendously honored to ask to be helped with all --
> 
> <waves hand helplessly at the 59,121 messages>
> 
> -- all of this. Also tremendously overwhelmed -- I guess it never 
> occured to me before how much *work* all of you do, and I frankly 
> haven't a clue how to get started. 

Dicentra sneaks up behind Derannimer, whipped-cream pie in hand.  The
nervous Derannimer is paying too much attention to the crowd in front
of her to sense what is about to happen.

> Don't get me wrong -- it looks 
> like *fun* work -- but I rather feel like I need the equivalent of a 
> List Elf about now to tell me where to begin. How does this work, 
> anyway: Do we get assigned to specific sorts of things, or do people 
> sort of take various tasks as is their preference? What FAQs are we 
> thinking of updating -- or are we just going to wait until OOP comes 
> out and then update *all* of them in one "swell foop"? 

Dicentra figures that "foop" is as good as any cue, steps directly
behind Derannimer, and plows the pie into her face.  Derannimer stops
abruptly, too stunned to be humiliated.  

"What did I do?" she says in a small voice from behind the whipped cream.

"I just wanted to get your attention," said Dicentra matter-of-factly.
  "You need to know one rule here on the FAQ list that must be obeyed,
and we will brook no rebellion: there is to be absolutely *no*
TBAY-like posting here.  No CARP, no dialog, no nothing (especially
not in posts 1336, 1338, 1340, 1368, 1380, 1446, and 1548). Here on
the FAQ list we are *efficient*, *businesslike,* and
*preee-fessional.*   We do not engage in the kind of silliness that
all too often characterizes the main list.  We do not keep an acronym
database, we do not post de-lurks for all to see, we do not call out
especially creepy/funny/ridiculous posts, and we do *not* engage in
clever banter."

"Duly noted," said Derannimer, in a barely audible voice.

"Good," said Dicentra.  "Now get yourself cleaned up.  That's no way
to present yourself to the members of HP4GU-FAQ."





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 18:02:08 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 18:02:08 -0000
Subject: Hello!
In-Reply-To: <bbftnf+ucec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbg3f0+j749@eGroups.com>

Hello and welcome! to Derannimer and Abigail, and to Phyllis, who has 
also joined us. ;-)

Cindy, from the introductory tour:

> I'll hit the highlights, and I'll let others pop in to correct me 
> and embellish and all of that.
> 
***

> We also embarked on a very ambitious plan to catalogue the main 
> list.  We created an Excel spreadsheet of most every post from post 
> 20,000-41,000, more or less.  We also described the post and 
> assigned key words to the posts.  So now if you want to find posts 
> that discuss whether Ron is ESE, you can use the Excel spreadsheet.
> 
Ah!  A very small correction -- we completed cataloguing (either in 
full or "highlights") from 25,000 through 45,000.

Cindy:

> I posted a status chart about a week ago saying who had agreed to 
> work on what post.

We have a database set up for this, called "Fantastic Posts - 
Unassigned".  How about if we take Cindy's list and update the 
database to include what people have agreed to work on in the past 
week, including the old ones that need updating?  That way our new 
FPers will know at a glance what's been taken and can sign up right 
away for what interests them.
> 
Derannimer asked:

> >When we do see 
> > particularly interesting posts, is there some sort of catch-all ?
> >file we can send them to until we're ready to write them into a 
> >FAQ? 
> 
Cindy:

> Uh, yeah.  Only I haven't created the database for that yet.  
> <blushes>  But yeah, I think just having each of us identify 
> fantastic posts we happen to notice and enter them into a database 
> here will be more manageable than trying to catalogue post-OoP 
posts.
> 
Since about 13,000 posts have accumulated since we stopped 
cataloguing, how about if we invite everyone to add to the database 
(after Cindy creates it) anything particularly noteworthy they recall 
from 45000 onward? 

Welcome again!

Debbie
wondering if we should also review the databases and files and clean 
out anything that's outdated?




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 18:32:00 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie Duncan)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 14:32:00 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Hello!
Message-ID: <133fdb131f92.131f92133fdb@icomcast.net>

> 
> Dicentra sneaks up behind Derannimer, whipped-cream pie in hand.  The
> 
> nervous Derannimer is paying too much attention to the crowd in front
> 
> of her to sense what is about to happen.
> 
> Dicentra . . . steps directly
> 
> behind Derannimer, and plows the pie into her face.  Derannimer stops
> 
> abruptly, too stunned to be humiliated.  
> 
> 
> 
I just wanted to get your attention," said Dicentra 
> matter-of-factly.
> 
>  "You need to know one rule here on the FAQ list that must 
> be obeyed,
> 
> and we will brook no rebellion: there is to be absolutely *no*
> 
> TBAY-like posting here.  No CARP, no dialog, no nothing (especially
> 
> not in posts 1336, 1338, 1340, 1368, 1380, 1446, and 1548). Here on
> 
> the FAQ list we are *efficient*, *businesslike,* and
> 
> *preee-fessional.*   We do not engage in the kind of silliness that
> 
> all too often characterizes the main list.  We do not keep an acronym
> 
> database, we do not post de-lurks for all to see, we do not call out
> 
> especially creepy/funny/ridiculous posts, and we do *not* engage in
> 
> clever banter.
> 
Debbie enters the staffroom holding a combination welcome memorandum 
and "to-do" list just in time to see the pie fly.  She quickly runs to 
fetch Derannimer a large towel, then carefully shreds the memorandum 
into confetti-like pieces.  Throwing the pieces up into the air, she 
shouts "welcome!" then watches them explode into fireworks in the air 
above all three new members.

"Filibusters Fireworks," she explains to the wondering crowd.  "Got 
them from Gred and Forge."





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 19:48:49 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 19:48:49 -0000
Subject: Hello too!
In-Reply-To: <bbg1on+cp8o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbg9n1+bslp@eGroups.com>

Abigail wrote:

> 1. I'm a bit fuzzy about the difference between a Fantastic Posts 
>essay and a Hypothetic Alley essay.  How exactly do you determine 
>whether a discussion will be covered by a FP or HA?  For example, 
>if we were writing a Harry FP, where would Stoned!Harry go?  

Ah, OK.  Good question.

HA is supposed to refer to TBAY discussion and theories.  An HA 
entry should just summarize the theory briefly (and hopefully in a 
mildly entertaining fashion) and include links to the applicable 
TBAY posts.

The FPs are compilations of posts written in an essay style.  There 
can be overlap between the subjects discussed in HA and FP, of 
course.  An FP can take a very long time to write, but an HA update 
is usually only a paragraph or two -- unless it is a kitchen 
appliance.



 
> 2. I've been looking around the FP, and I notice a great variety 
>in how the articles are set up.  Some essays are bullet points with 
>relevant message numbers, and others present arguments in condensed 
>forms while pointing to representative messages of those  
>arguments.  Is there a preferred form?

Yes, there most definitely is a preferred form -- whatever form 
makes *you* happy.

<waits for chorus of "awwwwwwww" to die down>

Seriously, you can write your FP in any fashion that suits you.  
Porphyria, bless her, came up with standard templates so that the 
FPs resemble one another visually, but content, organization and 
style are completly up to you.

Unless you violate the guidelines Porphyra wrote up for FP writers, 
which are somewhere in the files section.  You should read them 
before you start writing.  If you deviate from Porphyria's  
guidelines, well . . . there's nothing I can do to save you from a 
hideous fate.  ;-)


 
> 3. When writing an FP, how do you decide which topics go in?  Is 
>one person responsible  for an FP from beginning to end, or is the 
<work parceled out?

Again, it's totally up to you.  Often, it is a good idea to 
collaborate with someone else.  If it is something that comes up 
frequently, it is probably a good candidate.  Personally, I tend to 
rely on the posts that say whatever it is most clearly and 
succinctly.  We're not trying to reflect every post on the subject; 
just the better ones, I think.

 
> 4. The biggie: what is the purpose of Fantastic Posts?  Are they 
>meant to serve as a stepping stones for newbies, providing an 
>alternative to Yahoo!mort's dreaded search 
> feature, or are the essays supposed to be 'position papers', 
>providing a condensed analysis of their topic for whoever might be 
>interested?  I suspect the answer is both, and 
> also some other things which I haven't thought of.

We have to have a **purpose?**

OK.  I hereby move that we adopt the following as the FAQ List 
Mission Statement, to be enshrined on our home page:

"Our challenge is to continually foster performance based synergy so 
that we may competently initiate process-centric scenarios to meet 
our members' collective needs.  It's our responsibility to 
progressively revolutionize accurate opportunities so that we may 
seamlessly leverage other's resource-leveling methods of empowerment 
and enthusiastically coordinate cooperative services through 
continuous improvement. Finally -- and most importantly -- we build 
trust and teamwork to conveniently facilitate enterprise-wide 
leadership skills to allow us to credibly negotiate cross-unit core 
competencies and also distinctively leverage existing virtual 
potentialities because that is what the member expects. "

Second?

Actually, I don't know the answer to your question, so I'd go with 
both.  I think the FPs are meant to provide an overview of the best 
of past discussion, largely to help new members get up to speed.  
After all, if they have to rely on Yahoo's search function, then new 
members will be stymied before they even get started.

 
> 5. Brainwave: what about Nimbus?  


Hey, this is a very good idea!  I don't know what the Nimbus team is 
planning, so I'll kick this question over to them.

Heidi?  Gwen?  Penny?


> Well, I have to go - today is Student Day, a 36-hour-long 
>extravaganza, the origins of which are lost in the mists of time.  
>Mostly it's an excuse for corporate sponsors to harangue a captive 
>audience, but they're bringing in some good bands.

Is there, um, beer involved?  ;-)

Cindy -- who just had her car towed to the mechanic and who is 
waiting for The Diagnosis






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 20:01:23 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:01:23 -0000
Subject: More Fun With De-Lurks
Message-ID: <bbgaek+7cn6@eGroups.com>

OK, here we go.  Let's see.

Abigail is practically an oldbie around here, having de-lurked in 
Message 33756 on Jan. 19, 2002.

******************

--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "cindysphynx" <cindysphynx at h...> wrote:
> 
> Thinking out loud, I guess there might be two separate issues: (1)
> what prevents a third party (Sirius) from being tortured to reveal 
> that Pettigrew was secretkeeper, and (2) was the Potters' location 
> only a secret from Voldemort and DEs or was it secret from 
everyone 
> except Pettigrew, and if so, what caused Sirius and Dumbledore to 
> find the Potters' bodies? 

I'm not sure this is how the Fidelius Charm works. As I understood 
it, casting
the spell
meant that Voldemort could have walked straight into the house in 
Godric's
Hollow
but would be unable to see the Potters unless Peter had revealed 
them to him
(whether
that means that Peter had to be with him physically or whether it 
would have
been
enough for him to reveal their location to Voldemort I'm not certain 
of.) 
Which means that 
everyone could have known where the Potters were (at the beginning 
of PS
McGonagall 
certainly does - she tells Dumbledore that people are saying 
Voldemort went to
Godric's 
Hollow the previous night) and they could have told Voldemort where 
to go, and
it 
wouldn't have done him any good because he wouldn't have been able 
to see the
Potters
- what you can't see,you can't kill (at least in theory.) Only the 
secret
keeper could 
break the spell and allow Voldemort to kill the Potters. 

I was going to write that I didn't have the energy to look up the 
spell in the
book and see if I'm 
right, but as it turned out I do. This is from PoA, Chapter 10, The 
Marauders
Map, Prof. Flitwick
is describing the Fidelius Charm:
"...The information is hidden inside the... Secret Keeper, and is 
henceforth
impossible to find... As long
as the Secret Keeper refused to speak, You Know Who could have 
searched the
village where Lily and James
we staying for years and never find them, not even if he had his 
nose pressed
against their sitting room window!"

This is a little more ambiguous than I'd thought about whether other 
people
could have known where the Potters
were, but evidencs seems to suggest that they did and it didn't 
matter - the
Potter's lives were in Peter's hands. 

Abigail

*************************

Derannimer's de-lurk is 46873 on Nov. 20, 2002 and may be the only 
TBAY de-lurk *ever.*

*************************

Derannimer paused for a moment, peering through the hole in the 
steam 
of the window. She wasn't altogether sure that she wanted to go into 
the Tavern. True, it was cold outside; the rain was lashing 
downwards 
and the stiff wind whipped her skirt around her calves in a most 
unpleasant manner. It would be nice and warm in the Tavern, and also 
she could get a drink. 

But. . . 

Well, Derannimer had never been to the Bay before. She had been 
reading about it for so long--things wonderful to tell, of brilliant 
and beautiful theorists and nautical battles that raged for weeks 
and 
a decidedly odd form of croquet, and it had sounded like such a 
wonderful place that she had finally just given up and *gone*. But 
hanging around was one thing; eavesdropping on other people's 
conversations was one thing. Walking into the Tavern, where she 
could 
see *George*, and *Marina*, and *Charis Julia*, and sitting herself 
down an-and-
and-getting-a-drink-from-George, for heaven's sake, was quite 
another. These were some of the Greats of TBAY. What if one of them 
actually spoke to her? Would she be able to make a sensible reply, 
or 
would she just gurgle and fall off her bar stool? 
She took another look through the window, and saw something that she 
had missed before: Captain Cindy was there, slumped over the bar, 
some dark liquid pooled on the polished wood by her elbow. 

"Captain Cindy," thought Derannimer. "Well, that's it then. I'm not 
going in there." 

A few damp leaves, driven by that dratted wind, smacked against her 
bare arm and lay plastered there. She peeled them off with 
distaste. "Well, that's it then," thought Derannimer. "I *am* going 
in there." She wouldn't have to talk to anyone, she could just get a 
drink. 

She pushed open the door and walked in, trying simultaneously to 
feel 
tall and to look inconspicuous. 

It was indeed warm inside the Tavern; warm, cheerfully lit, well-
appointed and free of any annoying music. Nice place. 

Derannimer picked out a stool at the far end of the bar. If she sat 
here, maybe no one would speak to her, and maybe she would still be 
close enough to hear some of the conversation taking place between 
Marina and Charis Julia, over there in the corner. She had caught 
the 
word "Snape," so it might be--

"And what'll it be for you, miss?" came a brightly attractive voice 
from over the counter. 

Someone was standing in front of her. Derannimer shot her glance far 
enough upward to recognize the unmistakably fine forehead and limpid 
brown eyes currently tending bar. She as quickly dropped it, 
blushing. 

"Um... can I have a glass of milk? Please?" 

Down the length of the bar, she thought she heard Captain Cindy 
snort, but this hardly seemed likely; the Captain didn't appear to 
be 
in any sort of a state to care what other people wanted to order, or 
indeed to notice. 

George set the cool glass down on the counter, then drifted off 
about 
two yards, where, apparently in need of refills, Marina and Charis 
Julia had come over to the bar. 

Charis Julia was speaking, playing affectionately with her 
FEATHERBOAS. 

"Oh," she whispers softly. "Oh, just think of it. . . Just think of 
all the things that would resurface in the mind of the repented 
Death 
Eater Snape were he ever to be trapped by a Dementor! The pain, the 
anguish, the racking guilt and regret! What memories of past crimes 
pushed aside, out of recollection for 14 long years would force 
themselves back into vivid, relentless recognition! Re?played again 
and again and again. . . wide screen, Dolby Digital, the works. . . 
and all the while Snape on the ground, writhing, * screaming* in--"

"No, but would he though?"

Deranninmer is quite as surprised as anyone else to hear her own 
voice suddenly interrupt Charis Julia's. The young woman pushes 
herself off her bar stool and walks, a bit wobbly in shock, over to 
Charis Julia, who is courteously waiting, silent, to hear the 
objection. 

"I mean. . . I'm not sure if the Dementors could affect Snape, 
seeing 
as how I'm not sure he's got a soul. At least not all of one." 

"You mean he's half-Dementor himself, right?"

Cindy's voice. The Captain has apparently regained consciousness 
enough to welcome anyone implying that Snape's not all human. 

"N-no. I don't mean that half-Dementor thing. I mean the Dark Mark." 

Derannimer looks around her, gaining some confidence from the 
obviously friendly theorists. She briefly catches George's eye, and 
e 
winks. She takes a deep breath in and lets a deep breath out, and 
then she starts talking. 

><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><((">

I think that, in order to become a Death Eater, you have to bind 
yourself to Lord Voldemort, in an arrangement whereby he gives you 
nifty extra powers, and you give him *you*: your service, possibly 
your powers to some degree (which could only add to his strength), 
and, naturally (this is a "deal with the devil", after all) your 
actual soul. This is a "binding magical contract;" it cannot be 
broken, no matter how much you repent, no matter how badly you want 
to renege--you keep your nifty powers, and Lord Voldemort keeps your 
soul. Your body, and your intellect, and (obviously) your will can 
go 
on their merry way, but some fairly substantial part of you splits 
off from the rest and stays with Voldemort. (It might not be a clean 
break--it might not be your whole soul--because Voldemort, unlike a 
Dementor, does not have this ability "naturally." He has to use some 
froody piece of Dark Magic to do it, and so the effects might be 
less 
tidy.)

So Snape left Voldemort. But not all of him left. No wonder his eyes 
are always "empty;" your eyes would be empty to if half your soul, 
or 
all your soul, or 28/34's of your soul, or whatever the percentage 
was in his case, was residing in Evil Snake Baby/Man. When Voldemort 
really dies, maybe Snape gets his soul back. Or maybe it simply goes 
poof and Snape throws himself in the Lake and gets eaten by the 
Giant 
Squid. Or whatever. 

Have I got any sort of canonical support at *all* for this 
admittedly 
somewhat esoteric--and weird--notion? (About the DE's and Voldemort, 
I mean, not about the Squid.) Well, let's see. 

Given: 1. There is such a thing as a binding magical contract (set 
up 
in GOF, with the Triwizard Tournament. 
2. the Death Eaters are somehow bound to Voldemort. 
3. This bind has at *least* a physical manifestation in the 
Dark Mark. 
4. In the Potterverse, souls can be *literally* manipulated by 
magic (ala the Dementor's Kiss). 
5. It's usually a dumb idea to make a "deal with the devil", 
according to every piece of literature I've ever read. 

In message 36473, Elkins very convincingly made a case for a quid-
pro-
quo between Voldemort and his DE's, powers for allegiance. 


>There is some suggestion in the books that either Voldemort himself 
>or allegiance to Dark forces in general might indeed have the 
>ability 
>to imbue wizards with magical powers previously beyond their 
>capabilities.

>In the Shrieking Shack scene of PoA, for example, Pettigrew offers 
>up 
>Sirius' escape from Azkaban as proof of his Dark allegiance. ("He's 
>got dark powers the rest of us can only dream of! How else did he 
>get out of there? I suppose He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named taught him a 
>few tricks?") And Pettigrew himself seems to me to be *extremely* 
>magically capable, for someone who is constantly accused of being a 
>weak wizard. That muggle-blasting spell couldn't have been easy, 
and 
>I imagine that the ritual spell by which Voldemort was rebirthed in 
>GoF must have been quite difficult -- yet Pettigrew manages to 
>complete it even after severing his own hand.

>It seems more than likely to me that casting ones lot in with Dark 
>forces really *does* grant one a certain boost in magical power. It 
>would do much to explain Dark magic's siren song appeal to those 
>ambitious, power-hungry, ends-over-means, rules-disregarding, fair-
>play-is-for-dummies members of House Slytherin. And there's also an 
>enormous weight of cultural and literary precedent behind the 
>notion. Traditionally, after all, deals with the Devil do usually 
>get you *something* -- even if you pay far too high a price for it, 
>in the end.

And I agreed then with every word she said. I think it's actually 
highly likely that the DE's do get something. The problem with my 
idea is that it really comes down to what *Voldemort* gets. There's 
nothing to prove that he gets their souls. But hey, it seems in 
character for Voldemort, and the Dementors suggest that it's 
possible. And I do think that, whatever Voldemort gets, a "binding 
magical contract" does enter into the deal. I mean, where's the 
eternal consequence (or the Bang) of a deal with the Devil when you 
can simply *change your mind* when you feel like it? 

No. It's got to be harder than that. 

><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><(("> ><((">

". . . so, I mean, Snape wouldn't be writhing around in agony or 
anything, faced with a Dementor. They might not even be able to tell 
that he's there. Which is a pity, because *I* kind of like the idea 
too. 

"I mean, I don't know what this theory's got going for it; I don't 
know if you can make it Bang or anything--" Derannimer briefly 
glances at Captain Cindy, then decides it's not worth the effort to 
wake her up again--"and I don't know what George will think of it, 
but. . . well, I don't think I've ever seen it anywhere else, and I 
thought maybe I should bring it up, and well. . . that's it, really. 

"Blow it to pieces." ;) 

Derannimer looks around the Tavern. It is considerably fuller than 
it 
was earlier in the evening, but her seat, at the far end of the bar, 
is still vacant. She looks at it for a minute, then shakes her 
head. "Nah," she says, and grabs a bar stool a couple places down 
from Captain Cindy. "I like it here." ;)

Derannimer (who cannot believe how long this message is, and feels 
unjustifiably smug about it)

********************

Cindy -- off to find Phyllis' de-lurk








From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 20:07:51 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:07:51 -0000
Subject: Even More De-Lurks
Message-ID: <bbgaqn+r6pv@eGroups.com>

OK, here is Melody's first post, Message 42879 on August 18, 2002:

***********************
From:   "malady579" <Malady579 at h...> 
Date:  Sun Aug 18, 2002  11:41 am
Subject:  Lily *Did* Scream


I always thought Lily screamed because she was yelling for Voldemort
to stop from killing Harry not herself. It is obvious James and Lily
knew that Voldemort was after James and Harry only. She ran to get
Harry and leave, but Voldemort did not waste time toying with James
and just killed him and went after Harry. Lily, not having enough
time to get Harry and run, was attempting to shield Harry. She did
the only thing she could do with Voldemort at the time and was to
plead for her son's life, not her own mind you, and since Voldemort
is...well Voldemort he pushed her aside. She then lunged between
Voldemort's wand and Harry screaming at the same time out of sheer
panic and fear for her son's life. Having got in the way she died
instead of Harry. That is my assumption anyway. Harry was "saved" by
her love since she placed herself between Voldemort and Harry out of
her will and passion.

Melody

****************

Not to be outdone by Phyllis in Message 41709 on July 25, 2002:

***************

In recent posts, there has been discussion of who Mundungus Fletcher 
is. I'm wondering whether this might be another case of a same-named 
father and son (like Tom Riddle Sr./Jr. and Barty Crouch Sr./Jr.), 
where the Mundungus Fletcher Dumbledore references at the end of GoF 
as being part of the "old crowd" is really Mundungus Jr. In CoS, 
Arthur Weasley states that "old" Mundungus Fletcher tried to put a 
hex on him. Could JKR's use of the word "old" mean that there is 
a "young" Mundungus? It also seems strange to me that Dumbledore 
would be summoning someone to help him fight Voldemort who, from the 
few references we've had, appears fairly batty (he tries to put a 
hex 
on Arthur Weasley for no apparent reason and makes a crazy World Cup 
claim in GoF). If these references are to Mundungus Sr., this would 
make more sense (to me, anyway!).

(I'm a new listie, so my apologies if this has been discussed 
before!)

Phyllis (I'm named after my Mom and my brother's named after my Dad, 
so perhaps this explains my "Jr." preoccupation...)

**************

Cindy -- lying in wait for the remaining new members








From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 20:36:18 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:36:18 -0000
Subject: Files And Databases (WAS Hello!)
In-Reply-To: <bbg3f0+j749@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbgcg2+1bih@eGroups.com>

Debbie:

> We have a database set up for this, called "Fantastic Posts - 
> Unassigned".  How about if we take Cindy's list and update the 
> database to include what people have agreed to work on in the past 
> week, including the old ones that need updating?  That way our new 
> FPers will know at a glance what's been taken and can sign up 
>right away for what interests them.

Yes!  Please do!

> Since about 13,000 posts have accumulated since we stopped 
> cataloguing, how about if we invite everyone to add to the 
>database (after Cindy creates it) anything particularly noteworthy 
>they recall from 45000 onward? 

Great idea!  I'll whip up a database, and you guys let me know if 
you think it will suit our needs.


> Debbie
> wondering if we should also review the databases and files and 
>clean out anything that's outdated?

Heck yeah!

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  2 20:43:00 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:43:00 -0000
Subject: Database Created & June Colors
Message-ID: <bbgcsk+algc@eGroups.com>

Hi,

OK, I created a database for Most Excellent Posts we all find as we 
read the main list.  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/database?
method=reportRows&tbl=14&tblName=Fantastic%20Posts

What do you guys think?  Does the format look OK?  Should we 
continue using the keywords we've been using, do you suppose?

How big can these databases be?  Should we keep the pre- and post-
OoP databases separate?  How excellent should a post be before we 
include it in the database?

Thoughts?

And . . . . 

First person to get there can have a crack at changing the colors 
for June!  Go to "Management" then "Appearance" (IIRC) and decorate 
to your heart's content!  Ready, set . . . 

Cindy






From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  2 21:40:54 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:40:54 -0000
Subject: Hello!
In-Reply-To: <bbg3f0+j749@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbgg96+g8qf@eGroups.com>

Debbie (elfundeb2) wrote:

> Hello and welcome! to Derannimer and Abigail, and to Phyllis, who 
> has also joined us. ;-)

Now me:

Thank you so much for the kind welcome, and for the invitation to 
join your group! I am very happy to be here!

~Phyllis






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 00:48:53 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:48:53 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
Message-ID: <bbgr9l+kcak@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I whipped something up for HA on Assassin!Snape.  I haven't been 
reading the main list as much as I should lately, so I don't know if 
there are any other TBAY threads (other than Imperius!Arthur) that 
could use a write-up.  Are there any others?

Any comments on this draft?

Cindy

**************************

                     Assassin!Snape

The final scenes of GoF hint strongly that Snape may spy on 
Voldemort at Dumbledore's request.  There remains, however, the 
perplexing question of exactly how Snape could manage this, 
especially after Dumbledore revealed in the Pensieve that Snape 
turned spy for Dumbledore.  Would Snape have to perform a difficult 
task to Voldemort's satisfaction to earn his trust, and if so, what 
would that task be?  

According to Assassin!Snape, the key is Voldemort's graveyard speech 
in GoF:

"And here we have six missing Death Eaters . . . three dead in my 
service. One, too cowardly to return . . . he will pay. One, who I 
believe has left me forever . . . he will be killed, of 
course. . . . and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who 
has already reentered my service.'

If Karkaroff is the DE who will be killed, who will do Voldemort's 
dirty work and dispatch Karkaroff?  Could it be Assassin!Snape, 
perhaps in a bid to prove his loyalty to Voldemort by delivering 
Karkaroff's head on a pike?  Is there another way Snape might put 
one over on Voldemort and return to spying short of murdering 
Karkaroff in cold blood?  

Assassin!Snape was proposed in Message 46741.  It met considerable 
resistance from Snape fans, some of whom advocated variants in which 
Snape can continue to spy without spilling Karkaroff's blood.  
Messages 46822, 46839, 46852, 46853, 46857, 46873, 46878, 46887, 
46906, 46918, 46947, 46970, 46987, 46907, 46944, 46951, 46979, 
46987, 46991, 47007, 47008, 47037, 47038, 47045, 47046.

Whether Snape would ever do such a thing as bump off Karkaroff was 
hotly debated.  Sadly, hardly anyone thought Karkaroff would survive 
to the end of OoP.  Sadder still was the fact that hardly anyone 
cared.





From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 01:22:49 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:22:49 -0000
Subject: New Members?
In-Reply-To: <bau685+drm7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbgt99+b4jm@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote: 
(who I guess not expecting me to go back and read old posts.  :P ) 

> Oh, yeah.  Good catch!  I guess there's also Melody, too.  And 
> Darrin.


You guess?     

You GUESS?!?

Humph.  Oh, *I* see how it is.  :P


Melody  
happy I can *try* to help  :)




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Jun  3 01:46:28 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:46:28 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbgr9l+kcak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbgulk+7vjc@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> I whipped something up for HA on Assassin!Snape.  I haven't been 
> reading the main list as much as I should lately, so I don't know if 
> there are any other TBAY threads (other than Imperius!Arthur) that 
> could use a write-up.  Are there any others?
> 
> Any comments on this draft?
> 
<snip draft>

I didn't look up all those messages, but you didn't forget the CHOP
variant, did you? Cranium of Headmaster on a Platter?  Because that
one is even bangier than offing Karkaroff.

--Dicentra, strapping on the FEATHERBOA and bracing for the 21st




From editor at texas.net  Tue Jun  3 02:09:24 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:09:24 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Assassin!Snape for HA
References: <bbgr9l+kcak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002801c32975$28a01c80$4905a6d8@texas.net>

Harumph. Wasn't Amanda Binns' TBAY Explaining It All an outgrowth of
Assassin!Snape? All those posts that shifted the target from Karkaroff to
Dumbledore...don't leave them out!

Porphyria still around? Because I gave her a summary of Dark Mark posts, and
several things to add to the Snape FAQ; if you want, I will update our
beloved Potions Master. Could take a while, though; I have always just
helped with editing; I don't know how much message-block weeding is left to
do.

~Amanda

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
To: <HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:48 PM
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Assassin!Snape for HA


> Hi, all,
>
> I whipped something up for HA on Assassin!Snape.  I haven't been
> reading the main list as much as I should lately, so I don't know if
> there are any other TBAY threads (other than Imperius!Arthur) that
> could use a write-up.  Are there any others?
>
> Any comments on this draft?
>
> Cindy
>
> **************************
>
>                      Assassin!Snape
>
> The final scenes of GoF hint strongly that Snape may spy on
> Voldemort at Dumbledore's request.  There remains, however, the
> perplexing question of exactly how Snape could manage this,
> especially after Dumbledore revealed in the Pensieve that Snape
> turned spy for Dumbledore.  Would Snape have to perform a difficult
> task to Voldemort's satisfaction to earn his trust, and if so, what
> would that task be?
>
> According to Assassin!Snape, the key is Voldemort's graveyard speech
> in GoF:
>
> "And here we have six missing Death Eaters . . . three dead in my
> service. One, too cowardly to return . . . he will pay. One, who I
> believe has left me forever . . . he will be killed, of
> course. . . . and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who
> has already reentered my service.'
>
> If Karkaroff is the DE who will be killed, who will do Voldemort's
> dirty work and dispatch Karkaroff?  Could it be Assassin!Snape,
> perhaps in a bid to prove his loyalty to Voldemort by delivering
> Karkaroff's head on a pike?  Is there another way Snape might put
> one over on Voldemort and return to spying short of murdering
> Karkaroff in cold blood?
>
> Assassin!Snape was proposed in Message 46741.  It met considerable
> resistance from Snape fans, some of whom advocated variants in which
> Snape can continue to spy without spilling Karkaroff's blood.
> Messages 46822, 46839, 46852, 46853, 46857, 46873, 46878, 46887,
> 46906, 46918, 46947, 46970, 46987, 46907, 46944, 46951, 46979,
> 46987, 46991, 47007, 47008, 47037, 47038, 47045, 47046.
>
> Whether Snape would ever do such a thing as bump off Karkaroff was
> hotly debated.  Sadly, hardly anyone thought Karkaroff would survive
> to the end of OoP.  Sadder still was the fact that hardly anyone
> cared.
>
>
>
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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 03:00:52 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:00:52 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: New Members?
In-Reply-To: <bbgt99+b4jm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3297c$5802d510$0202a8c0@home7u2lvwxmqw>

Melody wrote:
 
You guess?     

You GUESS?!?

Humph.  Oh, *I* see how it is.  :P


Melody  
happy I can *try* to help  :)


Hey, wait!  I can explain!
 
See, uh, I had forgotten to mention you because . . .  because it was
dead obvious that you'd join us.  I mean, it was such a foregone
conclusion that, er, I assumed everyone else was thinking the *exact*
same thing!  Yeah!  That's it!  ;-)
 
BeetRed!Cindy 
 
 





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From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 09:25:56 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:25:56 -0000
Subject: FP vs. HA, Harry FP & Beer (was: Hello too!)
In-Reply-To: <bbg9n1+bslp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbhpj5+q4rg@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Abigail wrote:
> 
> > 1. I'm a bit fuzzy about the difference between a Fantastic Posts 
> >essay and a Hypothetic Alley essay.  How exactly do you determine 
> >whether a discussion will be covered by a FP or HA?  For example, 
> >if we were writing a Harry FP, where would Stoned!Harry go?  
> 
> Ah, OK.  Good question.
> 
> HA is supposed to refer to TBAY discussion and theories.  An HA 
> entry should just summarize the theory briefly (and hopefully in a 
> mildly entertaining fashion) and include links to the applicable 
> TBAY posts.

OK, time to display my great ignorance.  When you say TBAY 
discussions and theories, you mean messages in TBAY style, right?  
If so, then most of the theories in HA are not TBAY theories.  The 
Snape theories were all thought up outside of TBAY proper - even 
George - and so were most of the Florence and Mrs. Norris theories.  
Even MAGIC DISHWASHER started out non-TBAY.  The only theory 
I can think of, off the top of my head, that started on TBAY is 
Assassin!Snape.

Or are you saying that any acronym or Attribute!Character theory 
is summed up on HA and can be referenced on a relevent (or 
several relevant) FP?

I've been thinking about the Harry FP, and I've had a few thoughts 
on subject that might go in it.  I think by the time I'm ready to do 
some serious work on this group I'll probably forget what I wanted 
to say, so I'll just post them now and anyone interested can offer 
suggestions for improvement.

I think that when it comes to Harry discussions on the group, there 
are two seperate categories.

1. Harry's character, development and relationships
2. Harry's purpose, abilities and destiny

In the first category, topics might include:
* Harry as an abused child, including the theory that the entire series 
is his protective halucination, or that the series will end up being a 
dream.
* The differing views on Harry's personality - is he a take-charge 
hero or an arrogant kid?  How justified is Harry's incessant 
rule-breaking?
* Harry's inability/unwillingness to ask for help
* Harry's relationships with adults - maybe something about how 
each male figure in Harry's life is a different aspect of the father 
figure.  
* Harry's relationships with his contemporaries (I don't think there's 
any reason to talk about SHIPs here as they've been rather well 
covered in their own FP).  The Rift in GoF, and maybe Harry's 
treatment of Neville.
* Harry's reactions to fame.
* Harry failing - I'm thinking specifically about the most recent 
discussion, but I know that several times Harry has been criticized 
for being too perfect.

In the second category, topics might include:
* Why did Harry survive?  There have been a few explorations of 
Lily's sacrifice that might belong here - the straight up love 
protection, Love as a Spell Component and Ancient Magic.
* Is Harry special, and how? Stoned!Harry should be here, as well 
as the various theories that Harry's conception was engineered, as 
well as Trelawney's First Prediction and Heir of Gryffindor.
* Harry's abilities - is Harry simply a talented wizard, or a 
preternaturally powerful one?  I once suggested that Harry's power 
comes from Voldemort, but it wasn't a very good post, and I'm almost 
certain I saw someone else say it better.
* Was the Philosopher's Stone ordeal rigged?  I know this is usually a 
MAGIC DISHWASHER argument, but I think it stands on its own, and 
raises the possibility that Dumbledore is grooming Harry for great 
things.
* Will Harry die?  Will defeating Voldemort cost him his magical 
powers?  Will he be forced to leave the wizarding world?

I'm sure there's stuff here that I missed, so fire away!  

> > Well, I have to go - today is Student Day, a 36-hour-long 
> >extravaganza, the origins of which are lost in the mists of time.  
> >Mostly it's an excuse for corporate sponsors to harangue a captive 
> >audience, but they're bringing in some good bands.
> 
> Is there, um, beer involved?  ;-)

That depends.  If you mean, are students sneaking beer kegs on 
campus where the cops can't see them, then no.  If you mean, is there 
a bar where, depending on how good a deal the student association 
struck with this year's sponsors, drinks are either free or extremely 
overpriced, then yes.  And before you have a seizure, the drinking age 
in Israel is 18, and besides, the lifecycle of the Israeli post-teen is: 
graduation, army (2-4 years, depending on gender and whether one 
becomes an officer), working dead-end jobs for six months to pay for 
a trip, taking the trip (destinations in order of preference: India and 
the Far East, South America, Australia and New Zealand, and, for 
cowards like myself, Europe and/or North America), six months to a 
year of improving high-school grades and/or taking SATs, university.  
So 21 is a relatively young age for a freshman.

Abigail




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 12:59:13 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:59:13 -0000
Subject: More Welcomes and Delurks
Message-ID: <bbi631+n2e7@eGroups.com>

::creeps in with another welcome memorandum::

We've got three more new members to welcome:  Jo Serenadust, Melody, 
and Gail.  While Cindy is undoubtedly busy dredging up your main list 
delurks to post here, it's only fair that we share ours as well.  You 
can find a sampling in messages 1168, 1180, 1226 and 1299.

::tears memo into confetti and throws it into the air where the 
pieces explode into another round of welcome fireworks::

Debbie




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 13:57:26 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 13:57:26 -0000
Subject: FP vs. HA, Harry FP & Beer 
In-Reply-To: <bbhpj5+q4rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbi9g6+a4dr@eGroups.com>

Hey,

>When you say TBAY 
> discussions and theories, you mean messages in TBAY style, right?  
> If so, then most of the theories in HA are not TBAY theories.  The 
> Snape theories were all thought up outside of TBAY proper - even 
> George - and so were most of the Florence and Mrs. Norris 
>theories.  Even MAGIC DISHWASHER started out non-TBAY.  The only 
>theory I can think of, off the top of my head, that started on TBAY 
>is Assassin!Snape.

Yeah, you're quite correct on all of that.  I remember at one time 
that list administration spelled out how the TBAY prefix was to be 
used on the main list, but I don't think anyone ever explained what 
theories go into HA.

The answer is that there really isn't any consistent or logical 
reason why some things go into HA and some do not.  Generally, we're 
attempting to minimize TBAY confusion and guide new members to posts 
that will help them understand TBAY-speak.  Also, many of the 
theories in HA did not start out as TBAY-prefixed because the prefix 
wasn't adopted until Spring, 2002.

Anyway, we tend to add things to HA based on the likelihood that 
people will start referring to the theory as a metaphor or 
personification.  That's the reasoning behind entries like "Yellow 
Flag Violation" and "Faith."  This is so even if the theory is 
usually discussed outside TBAY -- as is the case with the majority 
of MAGICDISHWASHER posts.


 
> Or are you saying that any acronym or Attribute!Character theory 
> is summed up on HA and can be referenced on a relevent (or 
> several relevant) FP?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but let me have a go.

If you were writing an FP, you could drop a link to HA for the HA 
parts of it if you want, but you don't have to.


 
> I've been thinking about the Harry FP, and I've had a few thoughts 
> on subject that might go in it.  I think by the time I'm ready to 
>do some serious work on this group I'll probably forget what I 
>wanted to say, so I'll just post them now and anyone interested can 
>offer suggestions for improvement.


<snip way more thought than I've ever given to the Harry FP>

<falls down to knees in appreciation and profound gratitude>

I think this is just fabulous!  I don't have any thoughts right now, 
but I'm sure I will post-OoP.  In the meantime, if any edits or new 
ideas pop into my head, I'll post them here or send them to you off-
list, Abigail.

Cindy -- who had no idea that Abigail was in Israel, who prefers 
white wine to beer now, and who can report that Charis Julia will be 
joining us 





From jmmears at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 14:06:18 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:06:18 -0000
Subject: More Welcomes and Delurks
In-Reply-To: <bbi631+n2e7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbia0q+2g4s@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb2" <elfundeb at c...> wrote:
> ::creeps in with another welcome memorandum::
> 
> We've got three more new members to welcome:  Jo Serenadust, 
Melody, 
> and Gail.  While Cindy is undoubtedly busy dredging up your main 
list 
> delurks to post here, it's only fair that we share ours as well.  
You 
> can find a sampling in messages 1168, 1180, 1226 and 1299.
> 
> ::tears memo into confetti and throws it into the air where the 
> pieces explode into another round of welcome fireworks::


Oh no.  No one ever mentioned dredging up the de-lurk 
posts ::cringe::

I suppose it's like a freshman hazing ritual, though, so if you guys 
can take it, so can I.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome.  I'm thrilled to be here, still 
confused about what to do, but raring to go nonetheless.

Jo Serenadust




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 14:42:22 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:42:22 -0000
Subject: Heir of Gryffindor Essay (WAS: Harry FP)
In-Reply-To: <bbhpj5+q4rg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbic4e+o3f8@eGroups.com>

Abigail wrote (as one of her many awe-inspiring ideas for a Harry 
Potter FP):

> * Is Harry special, and how? Stoned!Harry should be here, as well 
> as the various theories that Harry's conception was engineered, as 
> well as Trelawney's First Prediction and Heir of Gryffindor.

Now me:

I wrote an essay that's on the Lexicon on the "Harry as Heir of 
Gryffindor" theory:

http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/essay-stag.html

The essay started as an HPfGU post, so it could fit in here if others 
like it.  However, it's probably advisable to wait until after OoP's 
release in case we find out that what Dumbledore "should have told" 
Harry five years ago is that he's actually the heir of Hufflepuff ;)

~Phyllis




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 16:31:54 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:31:54 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <002801c32975$28a01c80$4905a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bbiihq+g2bk@eGroups.com>

Hey!

I'll go back and grab the Dumbledore's Head on a Platter series of 
messages.  Amanda, your own excellent Assassin!Snape twist should 
already be included in the messages.  When we get the draft up, 
double-check and make sure I didn't miss it.  There were a *lot* of 
posts in that thread, so I didn't list them all -- just the ones 
that were easiest to miss or were longest.

Cindy






From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 18:57:15 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 18:57:15 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbgr9l+kcak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbir2b+rj6i@eGroups.com>

I also like the idea of focusing the Assassin!Snape essay on Snape 
knocking off Dumbledore rather than Karkaroff.  I did a post back in 
November on JKR possibly naming Snape after the Roman emperor Severus 
who betrayed his opponent Albinus (turns into "Albus" if you take out 
the "in") and how this might be a clue pointing to Snape betraying 
Dumbledore (#47141).  Feel free to use this idea if it fits!

Cindy wrote:

> The final scenes of GoF hint strongly that Snape may spy on 
> Voldemort at Dumbledore's request.  There remains, however, the 
> perplexing question of exactly how Snape could manage this, 
> especially after Dumbledore revealed in the Pensieve that Snape 
> turned spy for Dumbledore.  

Now me:

I have been perplexed by this, also, although a recent interchange 
with Steve (bboy_mn) on the main list led me to think of an answer - 
the "trial" where Dumbledore makes the public pronouncement that 
Snape turned spy for the good guys was probably not a public trial 
since it really wasn't a trial so much as a hearing where Karkaroff 
was to present the names of the DEs in exchange for his freedom.  
Presumably the Ministry of Magic wouldn't want the public present 
when such names were voiced, and in fact there's no mention of Rita 
Skeeter being present (as there is at Bagman's trial).  The only part 
I still struggle with is that there were at least 200 witches and 
wizards at Karkaroff's "trial," which presumably would make it 
difficult to keep quiet whatever information was disclosed.  But the 
fact that Sirius  - one of the "old crowd" - didn't know that Snape 
was once a DE leads me to believe it's not public knowledge.

Cindy again:

> "And here we have six missing Death Eaters . . . three dead in my 
> service. One, too cowardly to return . . . he will pay. One, who I 
> believe has left me forever . . . he will be killed, of 
> course. . . . and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and 
> who has already reentered my service.'
> 
> If Karkaroff is the DE who will be killed, who will do Voldemort's 
> dirty work and dispatch Karkaroff?  

Me again:

While it's definitely open to interpretation, I've always thought of 
the one who is "too cowardly to return" as Karkaroff and the "one who 
I believe has left me forever" as Snape.  Snape just doesn't fit the 
description of a coward, IMHO.

~Phyllis




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Tue Jun  3 20:17:54 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 16:17:54 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Assassin!Snape for HA
Message-ID: <1e4.a375056.2c0e5c72@aol.com>

Hi and welcome,  Phyllis, Melody, Derannimer, Abigail (did I miss anyone? I'm 
bound to have missed someone, so welcome to you, too and forgive my general 
scattiness.)



Now, Phyllis:

> While it's definitely open to interpretation, I've always thought of 
> the one who is "too cowardly to return" as Karkaroff and the "one who 
> I believe has left me forever" as Snape.  Snape just doesn't fit the 
> description of a coward, IMHO.
> 

What? Canon discussion on FAQ? Phyllis, did you know we have a whole list 
devoted to just that? ;-)

But now that you mention it, why not Snape? This is Voldmort's opinion, 
remember. He has made the odd mistake before now. <g> Trusting Snape in the first 
place, for instance. No. I think it could be a good twist, that, Voldemort 
thinking that Snape's a coward and won't answer the DM and then his turning up on 
the doorstep (offering him a CHOP, of course).

~Eloise 

Getting her featherboas out of mothballs and thinking this thread should now 
be moved to the main list! ;-)



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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  3 20:37:28 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:37:28 +0000
Subject: Hi From Yet Another FAQ Newbie 
Message-ID: <Law8-F88RbNPgUtxajN00046977@hotmail.com>

Hiya!

Thanks for inviting me to this here group.  I really am flabbergasted.    My 
thing is filking, as well you know, so I hope that I don't botch anything up 
or otherwise make a fool out of myself.   I don't have any questions at the 
moment since Derannimer has basically expressed all my thoughts and fears 
already and I'm finding your replies quite helpful.   So, right now I'm just 
checking out the scenery by reading the message achieve and hanging low 
until I'm needed.

-Gail...feeling overwhelmed by it all.

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From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 21:56:48 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:56:48 -0000
Subject: Comments on Database (WAS: Database Created & June Colors)
In-Reply-To: <bbgcsk+algc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbj5j0+ua1l@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> OK, I created a database for Most Excellent Posts we all find as we 
> read the main list. <snip> What do you guys think?  Does the format 
> look OK?  

Now me:

I'm not familiar with the Yahoo databases, so perhaps I shouldn't be 
commenting, but I'm just wondering if there might be a way to save 
ourselves some time in the future by having a single database for 
both potential and actual FPs.  I'm just thinking that if we have a 
separate database for potential FPs and a separate database for the 
FPs we decide to work on, we'll have to duplicate the effort once we 
decide to move an FP from potential to actual.  If it's easy to copy 
and paste rows from one database to another, this shouldn't be a 
problem - I'm just unfamiliar with what can and can't be done 
technically.

I was thinking that if we had a single database, we could still sort 
by "potential" and "actual" to see where things stand, but we would 
have a complete compilation of the FP universe in a single place.  
Assuming one can sort in a Yahoo database, that is!

Perhaps each entry could be coded so that it's easy to move it from 
potential to actual?

I was also thinking that it might make it easier in the future if we 
were to put each potential FP under a general header (such as "Harry 
Potter" or "Assassin!Snape").  Then the keywords could be subsets of 
the general header (such as "Heir of Gryffindor" or "CHOP").

Cindy again:

> Should we keep the pre- and post-OoP databases separate?  

Me again:

How about keeping everything in one database, but having a code that 
differentiates whether the post was pre- or post- OoP?

~Phyllis




From catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk  Tue Jun  3 21:58:54 2003
From: catherine at cator-manor.demon.co.uk (Catherine Coleman)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:58:54 +0100
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <1e4.a375056.2c0e5c72@aol.com>
References: <1e4.a375056.2c0e5c72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <upPakoGeoR3+Iw3H@cator-manor.demon.co.uk>

In message <1e4.a375056.2c0e5c72 at aol.com>, eloiseherisson at aol.com writes
>Hi and welcome,? Phyllis, Melody, Derannimer, Abigail (did I miss
>anyone? I'm
>bound to have missed someone, so welcome to you, too and forgive my
>general
>scattiness.)
>

Ditto - and including Melody and Gail.  Welcome!

>
>
>Now, Phyllis:
>
>> While it's definitely open to interpretation, I've always thought of
>> the one who is "too cowardly to return" as Karkaroff and the "one who
>> I believe has left me forever" as Snape.? Snape just doesn't fit the
>> description of a coward, IMHO.
>>
>
>What? Canon discussion on FAQ? Phyllis, did you know we have a whole
>list
>devoted to just that? ;-)
>
>But now that you mention it, why not Snape? This is Voldmort's opinion,
>remember. He has made the odd mistake before now. <g> Trusting Snape
>in the first
>place, for instance. No. I think it could be a good twist, that, Voldemort
>thinking that Snape's a coward and won't answer the DM and then his
>turning up on
>the doorstep (offering him a CHOP, of course).
>
>~Eloise

The number of times I postulated that the coward was Snape on the main 
list and got shot down!  (Going back a couple of years now, this is - I 
may have had more support more recently).

I think it would be a good twist as well - and I've never forgotten that 
BCJ says that Karkaroff will be tracked down and dealt with and that he 
had betrayed too many of his fellow Death Eaters to be welcomed back 
into the fold.  Neither of them make reference to any betrayal on 
Snape's part, and I always wondered whether BCJ's real animosity towards 
Snape was because he was another of the DEs which went free.

Uh oh, just realised I'm making an on topic post on the wrong list! 
Never mind.

Catherine




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 22:14:07 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:14:07 -0000
Subject: Hi to Gail! (WAS: Assassin!Snape for HA)
In-Reply-To: <1e4.a375056.2c0e5c72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bbj6jf+mf3q@eGroups.com>

Eloise wrote: 

> What? Canon discussion on FAQ? Phyllis, did you know we have a 
> whole list devoted to just that? ;-)

Now me:

Whoops!  Just can't help myself!

Thanks for the welcome, and a big "hi" from me to Gail the Filker!

~Phyllis





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun  3 22:52:30 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:52:30 -0000
Subject: It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
Message-ID: <bbj8re+m6e3@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I sent e-mails to Tom Wall and Eric Oppen, and I haven't heard from 
them yet.  They might not check their HPfGU e-mail very often.  Does 
anyone have a non-HPfGU e-mail for any of them?  Same thing for 
Naama.

We need to get some more fellas in here!  You know -- keep things 
interesting.  Where *are* the men-folk, anyway?

Cindy




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  3 23:44:06 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:44:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Welcoming new members
In-Reply-To: <bbi631+n2e7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030603234406.42293.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh my gosh, look at all the new people!

*doing what she does best, Sheryll starts decorating
the FAQ room for a party to welcome the newest
members*

There's lots of food on the side tables, so everyone
dig in. The cake is on it's way, so leave room for
some of that. Come on, eat up. Who knows when you'll
get a decent meal once you start working?

Sheryll

=====
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From pennylin at swbell.net  Wed Jun  4 02:00:45 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (pennylin)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:00:45 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
References: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <04c801c32a3d$1dd8b960$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

I always like these things so here goes.  :--)

>Real name:

Penny Linsenmayer

>Also known as:

Elizabeth's Mommy

>Age/Sex:

37/F

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Smalltown Nowheresville, Texas/Houston, Texas. 

>Family Life:

Married 10 years this year.  One daughter (just turned 2).  Two miniature dachshunds.  Lots of ancestors in family photos and in rows of black notebooks in my study closet (into genealogy!).  

>Personality:

Quiet introvert; book-worm; detail-oriented; 

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Quiet, loyal, smart, hard worker, reliable, obsessed with being on time  

>Words you have used to describe you:

Er......pretty much the above

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

You mean *besides* chasing my toddler all over the place/carting my toddler to music, art, swimming, play dates, etc.?  Hmmmm...oh yeah.  Research and write about the life of Laura Ingalls Wilder, genealogy, scrapbooking.  Used to be an avid aerobics devotee, but haven't gone to a class since getting pregnant over 2 yrs ago.  Ahem.

>Comfort foods:

Mexican food.  Indian food, Thai food.  Spicy food.  Oh, and chocolate is the ultimate comfort food.  That and red wine.

>Education/Work:

Undergrad degree in English and History; law school.  Pursuing a writing career in my "free" time; no longer practicing law (quit after 8 yrs of practicing in the securities law field). 

>Language skills

English. 

>Technical know-how:

I can trouble-shoot some computer problems, but nothing too out of the ordinary.  

>Favourite HP book:

PoA, for sure.  I hope I can soon change that answer to "OoP." 

>Favourite HP character(s):

Harry; Hermione.  Sirius.  Dumbledore.  Percy.  Harry and Hermione.  McGonagall.  Lupin.  Harry and Hermione. 

>Favourite HP line

"You are truly your father's son, Harry."

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Love them, but am definitely looking forward to see what Cuaron does with PoA, as there are a good many aspects of Columbus' treatment that I dislike or even hate.  Overall, I like them very much though and watch them fairly frequently on DVD.

>Into HP fanfiction?

Definitely love it; not much time to read it anymore.  

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Fiction: "HP" (of course!), Laura Ingalls Wilder, "To Kill a Mockingbird", anything by Dickens or Austen, "French Lieutenant's Woman," anything by Noel Barber.  I loved Peg Kerr's "Wild Swans" too.  I'm sure there are lots more, but I don't want to wander into my den to scan the shelves.

Non-fiction: anything by David McCullough, but most especially "Truman"; Winston Churchill's 6 volumes on WWII; Robert Caro's LBJ biography series.  

>Favorite TV shows?

T.V.?  Who has time for T.V.?  Used to watch Friends and Seinfeld religiously of course.  West Wing can usually still lure me into the den.  I would still watch Friends if it didn't come on at an inconvenient time.  Am too lazy to set the VCR ever too.  

>Favorite movies:

Comedy: "When Harry Met Sally."

Drama: "Gone with the Wind."  

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could - you may not 
>say "lose weight."

I would not suffer from infertility if it were something I could change.  As for things more actively in my actual control, I would not sun-bathe all the time in the summer, since it's just as bad as the smoker who *knows* the correlation between lung cancer and smoking and does it anyway.  

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

My family ...... husband and child.

>Philosophy for an easy life:

Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man (or woman!) healthy, wealthy and wise.

>How you found HPfGU:

It was a Yahoo! Club and found it by google searching I think.  It was 3.5 yrs ago.....who remembers.

>Active at other HP sites:

Active on some H/H fan sites, but only moderately so, given time constraints.  Active with Nimbus - 2003 planning of course too.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

FITD or some other love triangle scenario involving the Trio.  After Rowling's DVD interview, I'm definitely feeling better about that one.

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Ebony
Amanda
Sheryll
Heidi
Carole & Randy Estes
Kris
Cassie Claire
Ashley
Jeralyn
Debbie
Angua

[Feels like I'm forgetting someone -- sorry!]


Penny

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From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun  4 02:34:37 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:34:37 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
References: <bbj8re+m6e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c32a41$d8e912a0$f805a6d8@texas.net>

Cindy:

> We need to get some more fellas in here!  You know -- keep things
> interesting.  Where *are* the men-folk, anyway?

Where are they *ever* when there's housekeeping-type work to be done? Out in
the yard yacking and drinking beer, that's where.

~Amanda






From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun  4 03:22:39 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:22:39 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
References: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003301c32a48$8e065f20$f805a6d8@texas.net>

*sigh*

>Real name:

Amanda Lewanski

>Also known as:

Amandageist
Amandar, Queen of the Universe
VoldeMom, Evil OverMom
Bar

>Age/Sex:

almost 38/not too much since I got a full-time job and have small children,
too

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

San Antonio/just south of San Antonio. My escape plans have thus far failed.

>Family Life:

Oxymoron on the face of it.
Married 12 1/2 years, to the same man, and I'm sure I can recall his name if
you give me a minute....but it's true love, this is a man I gave a HP watch
with a little gold snitch that ticks around the seconds, and he *wears* it.
Have produced three children with said man (probably because I wasn't
working full time). Daughter, 8 soon ("four and three quarters days now!");
son, 6; spare son, to be three in some weeks. Cat that we keep in the garage
because his, um, control isn't what it used to be. Details upon request but
I wouldn't encourage it.

>Personality:

On occasion.

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Hm. Just lately, an (I thought) fairly close co-worker said I'm aggressive,
pushy, demanding, and insulting. Nobody ever tells you what you *want* to
hear. Oh, I use good examples when I explain things. And I make my life
sound like Erma Bombeck. These last two I take as compliments, even though
my life *is* like Erma Bombeck and I'm just passing it on.

John has said that I am wise; Michelle has said that I am a good friend; and
Sheryll is coming back for a second visit even though my children are
involved. Will that do?

>Words you have used to describe you:

Overweight. Former trophy wife. I have no idea what to say here, I don't
think about me much of the time.

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Heh.
Get up at 4:30, shower/put on part of face; wake up children around
5:15-5:30; feed children; while they're eating, put away dishes from
dishwasher or fold laundry or run a new load or make husband's lunch (and
theirs, during school) and select their clothes from the neat stacks of
clean clothes that never get carried upstairs, we live out of the laundry
room; chase them upstairs and get them bathroomed and teeth brushed and
dressed and finish putting on face (the stuff that smears when kids mess
with you so I put on last--lipstick, mascara); iron clothes if needed; on
Tuesdays, collect garbage and change litterbox and put in trunk to set by
street; get dressed, stuff kids in car, try to be on road by 7:15 (school
days, Kasia's bus comes at 6:35, she must be dressed and ready by then;
Tomek's comes at 7; Michael and I leave by 7:15, but it's summer so I have
more leeway).

Stop at gas station on way to get Dr. Pepper and something to eat to keep
myself awake in the car, since I readily fall asleep driving and must guard
against this. Eating is the only--I do mean the only--thing I've never
fallen asleep doing. I pick stuff that is complicated and must be fooled
with. Usually this is breakfast, I don't have time to eat with the kids.

Drop Michael (and now Kasia) at Renna's house about 8:15; drop Tomek at
Children's World a little later (yeah, like I can afford to put more than
one of my kids in a paid daycare, so I put the one who needs most to be
around "normal" kids). Drive to work, get there around 9:00. Revel in the
adult environment. Edit things, talk in complete sentences, take only self
to the bathroom.

Leave work around 6 or 7; possibly hit the store on the way home and get
bread, milk, or any of the zillion things I forgot because I never remember
to put it on the list, or forgot the list entirely. Get home around 7:30,
usually in time to eat with kids (although sons never eat dinner, they just
don't, no idea why); every other night is Bath Night; stick them all in the
tub at once to save time, probably warping daughter, too bad. Bedtime is
supposed to be 7:30 since they get up so early but it's usually more like
9:00. Go downstairs and do laundry or clean up some; stay upstairs and pay
bills or clean up some; husband will usually do the dishes; if husband is
not playing computer game, download email and read some, respond to a few,
delete vast majority unread because by then it's about 10:30 or 11 and I
have to get up in five or six hours.

On the weekends, it gets busy; that's when I do the stuff I have no time to
do during the week.

> Comfort foods:

Hm. I like the yogurt that comes with the little chocolate balls in the
thing on top, and you stir it in. Except I don't take that to work anymore
since I called my husband on the cellphone and went on and on about
something being wrong with the car because it was making a funny noise, and
found out that it was the little balls rattling in the little top
compartment of the yogurt package. Have yet to live that down.

Chocolate is good. Maple butter (imported, intoxicating). Sometimes ice
cream.

These days very often don't eat much; no idea why I'm still overweight,
probably my stay-awake stuff in the morning.

>Education/Work:

Yes/Yes

B.A., English (Technical Writing emphasis, which does *not* appear on my
degree because it's not a concentration, just an emphasis, so I parked my
rear in the dean's office until they gave me a letter on letterhead saying
I'd put that extra year in and completed the emphasis). Took eleven years
and a husband willing to pay for me to finish (see "former trophy wife"
above; I used to be worth it).
After hiatus having children and somehow missing the raging market for
freelance editors in rural south Texas, found employment *in my field* as a
technical editor for a consulting firm this last December. Love the job but
it came about four years too soon.

>Language skills

English. Virtuoso.

>Technical know-how:

TechnoSquib. Am not, alas, the person who coined this term, but they coined
it in a post to me, and I popularized it.

>Favourite HP book:

PoA.

>Favourite HP character(s):

Do I really need to answer this?

>Favourite HP line

Too many to select a winner.

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watching. Loving. Enjoying the overlap of my enthusiasms via the casting of
Alan Rickman as Snape. Visual imagery of movie does not get confused in my
odd mind with the verbal imagery of the books.

>Into HP fanfiction?

Not at all. Won't read it until book 7 is done; I want my vision of the
characters to be solely JKR's until she's finished. I will not be able to
keep different written characterizations separate, as I can the visuals of
the movie.

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Guy Gavriel Kay, anything, but favor the Fionavar Tapestry. Anything by
Martha Wells. Chris Stasheff, Charles deLint, and William Least HeatMoon
(nonfiction).

>Favorite TV shows?

Like I have time for TV.

>Favorite movies:

Mmmm.
The Ghost and the Darkness, for making things I can see sleeping in the zoo
more frightening than Jurassic Park dinosaurs.
Alan Rickman, anything.
James Mason, anything.
Peter O'Toole--Creator, My Favorite Year, The Ruling Class

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could - you may not
>say "lose weight."

Okay, I'd be taller. Having my mother alive would be changing *her* life;
having my husband sound like James Mason would be changing *his.* Damn. Oh,
probably not having to worry about money 24/7. I'd hate to waste a big
chance like this on "not leaving my purse in the shopping cart last Tuesday
so that it wouldn't get stolen."

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance
>copy of Book 7:

Having gone to New York to see Alan Rickman. For those of you who know the
song "I Hope You Dance"....for once, I *danced,* and I think doing so has
changed me in good ways. I don't usually do things like that.

>Philosophy for an easy life:

Why even think about something that doesn't exist? Nobody has an easy life;
if I had all the money in the world, I'd find something else to worry me.

Caveat emptor?
Carpe diem?
Laugh a lot?

People who can sum up their philosophy in one cute little line shouldn't be
out unaccompanied.

>How you found HPfGU:

Some variety of web search; I didn't use Google then. I had one, count 'em,
one friend who'd read HP, and she is not the kind you can theorize themes
with. She *is* the one I "cast" the movie with, and we were 2/3 right with
our main choices. Plus I had a baby and was at home all day and needed adult
conversation. Almost three years ago now.

>Active at other HP sites:

Only affiliates, and Snapefans (which, by the way, as a month older than
Chatter, was the first spinoff of HP. It doesn't remember it is, anymore). I
check the Cauldron for news.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Snape will die.

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Sheryll
Penny
Kelley (who has babysat my children, too)
John
Joywitch
Jim Ferer
Joy W.
Sin D.C.
Debbie
(Neil on the phone)

Possibly forgetting someone. I have a terrible memory for names.

>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

If one wish could be granted you, would you choose a benefit for yourself or
for someone else?

After severe waffling (see "worrying about money 24/7" above) I'd probably
pick someone else and have my son Tomek able to speak normally and fluently.

~Amanda, joining Cindy and Penny up there naked on the pedestal labeled
"Bio-writers"





From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 03:46:08 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 03:46:08 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbjq21+2085@eGroups.com>

> The MEG list has a tradition where people post their bios using a 
> form.  

Oh.  Ok.  I'll play.


 
**************************
 
>>Real name:

Melody Timpani
(yes, I have amusing parents...)

 
>>Also known as:

Eh...in RL?  
Mel
Melmel (my brother's for me)
Lodi (my dad's for me.  Took me years to figure out where he got it 
       from.  I can be a bit slow sometimes.  ::grin::)  
And a cute name given to me by my boyfriend that I am too shy to tell. 
 
a few others but these are used on a regular basis.


>>Age/Sex:

25/F  (26 on Monday  :D )

 
>>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Houston, TX.  Living presently in Denton, TX (right above DFW) but do
not want it to be that present much longer.  

 
>>Family Life:

Single.  No children.  Living off by myself right now and enjoying
myself.  But I do have a boyfriend, which is rare in my life actually
and a recent development.  I am in that giddy, happy stage of the
relationship right now, so be warned.  :)  Mostly because he does not
live near me, and he is coming here to stay with me for about two
weeks for my birthday, so I am beyond ancy in anticipation. 
Sickening, isn't it?  I apologies to Tabouli and Elkins now for
whatever I violate in their "love" rant.  Sometimes, you just can't
help but be a silly girl no matter how educated you are.

Oh, and two cats.  One 2 years old named Oren.  He is 13 pounds.  The
other is six years old and named Pyrac.  He is 25.  I swear he is not
fat, he is just big boned.  ;)  My dad and brother call him Big
Country.  Anyway...

  
>>Personality:

Eh.  I am a Melancholy by nature.  I tend to turn things over in my
head way to much, and sometimes be a bit overly moody.  Sorry.  To
counter that, I am also Choleric so it is an interesting match.  

 
>>Words friends have used to describe you:

Oh dear:  Playful.  Honest.  Precise.  Intense.  Exhausting. 
Organized.  Carries secrets behind her eyes.  (that one I always found
odd, but liked it.)  

 
>>Words you have used to describe you:

Playful.  Blunt.  Watchful.  Passionate.  Moody.  Deeply happy despite
the moods. (which confuses everyone that is not melancholy.)


>>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Um well.  Only way my boyfriend and I can see each other is through
the internet right now, so well...weekends are spent on the computer.
 For like 12 hours.  (yes he adores HP, and no I will not answer any
more questions  ::grin::)  We are in different time zones, so it is
fun to work out.  Anyway...he takes up a lot of time right now, but
what I *should* be doing is my thesis.  But well...I have been putting
it off for two years now.  I know, I know.  I should finish it.  I
will explain below in "education".  So when I am not on the computer
right now in my life, which is not often, I am either watching TV,
reading a book, talking to my parents in Houston, rearranging my
apartment (I love moving furniture and organizing things), or some
other odd thing like a puzzle, coloring, or cutting out paper dolls
(you know mindless things to rest or let your mind wander without
restriction).

 
>>Comfort foods:

Um.  I am not a big fan of eating.  I am not sick or anything, I just
am a skinny little thing who does not find eating enthralling.  I eat
when I have to, but if I am sad, hm....I guess I eat milk chocolate
more.  Like candy bars.  Or ice cream treats like Dove bars.  That I
will say.  I love Godiva chocolate.  

 
>>Education/Work:

Undergrad school was spent as a history major, and I adored it. 
Graduate school I am still technically in.  I am working on a clothing
and textile major, which I want to use to be a costume curator.  That
person in the museum that gets to play with all the things you are not
suppose to touch.  I want to do that with clothing.  I adore the 19th
century.  Especially the bustles.  Oh, the books and pictures I could
show you.  Been studying it since I was eight with paper dolls and
history books.  I was always the non-fiction type of girl.  

But the reason I am still in school is that all I have left is my
thesis.  No hugely specific reason why.  I just have not finished it.
 Not motivated I guess.  Hoping to remedy that soon.  

So in the mean time, since I was not born to privilege, I have been
working in a radiology office as a secretary for the past two years. 
I know.  Woohoo.  But in my defense, at the time I took the job, I did
not intend to stay there so long.  Hoping to remedy that soon too.  

So maybe in the end, I will become a curator.  Maybe not.  We shall see.  


>>Language skills

English.  

Learning more Spanish lately.

And can read ancient Greek.  Took the courses in college because
everyone told me it will be hard.  Well, I thought.  I was accpeted as
smart enough to go to college, so it seems to reason I am smart enough
to do this if I want too.  I just had to proven them wrong in that I
could do it.  Really after learning Greek and their circular way of
talking, it is so much easier to learn other languages.  They seem so
simple.  But I loved it, and use my New Testament in Greek to trump
all those boys in my Sunday school class at church.  It is so fun to
watch their eyes pop when I pull that baby out.  I know.  It is church
and I should behave, but I can still derive a little pleasure from it
even if I use it for teaching purposes only.  I swear.  :)


>>Technical know-how:

Eh.  I can do a little bit of things, but I figure, why know something
if I can ask and make a guy feel like he is useful?  So I defer to my
dad, brother, or boyfriend a lot.  Just to make them feel loved and
needed.  :) 

 
>>Favourite HP book:

Honestly, PoA.  It is just too fascinating...even without MD.

 
>>Favourite HP character(s):

Ok honestly.  I identify with a combination of Ginny and Sirius.  I
know.  That combination can be very scary.  Well with Ginny, I was
always the girl with the crush on a boy but never getting it in return
(until lately ::blush::)  I spent my school years crushing, but never
doing anything about it.  I would do precisely what she did.  Shriek
and run away.  Took me growing up to discover a guy finds that odd. 
The nerve of them.  :P  

The Sirius part is the melancholy, passionate side of me.  I get him
completely.  From the dementors, to the holding on to the few truths
you know when everything is falling apart, to the passion that keeps
him alive and taught him how to love so deeply.  For that, I identify
with him greatly.  

So between the two of them, I also identify with their defensive
nature.  They defend that which they care deeply about.  And if you
cannot tell, I love to defend people and things I care about.  :)

So I like them the most I guess.  Because in them I find me.    

Oh and on a side note since I never talk about ships: I really hope
Ginny does not get Harry.  No girl should get her first crush.  You
learn so much from not getting them that is it worth the heartache. 
But that is again, my melancholy view on life.


>>Favourite HP line
 
Cindy wrote:
>Uh, haven't read the books in over a year, so I don't remember. 

Teehee.  Oh, I do not feel bad now.  I have not sat down and read
through all four since I joined the site in August.  Hmm.  let me
think....well it is not funny but my favorite is a combination from
the Shrieking Shack in PoA....


"Give me a reason," he (Snape) whispered.  "Give me a reason to do it,
and I swear I will."

-and to be matched with the same passion-

"Believe me," croaked Black. "Believe me, Harry.  I never betrayed
James and Lily.  I would have died before I betrayed them."


I guess I love those two quotes so much because they were honest, raw,
and I can see their eyes perfectly when they say it.



>>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

I watched both and have both DVD's.  Though I have not watched them
much.  I enjoy seeing the imagery of it.  But I do fear what they will
do to PoA.  But I will say, Tom Riddle on the stairs is worth watching
CoS.  Damn.  That was sexy.  Jason Isaac too.  I never really cared
about Lucius until I saw that stately man step on the screen.  Also I
have a thing for capes.  :D 


>>Into HP fanfiction?

Not at all.  I do not refuse to read them to be a canon purest, but
more, I do not want to confuse JKR with someone else's work.  I have
been incredible patient for OoP though.  I have been a bit distracted
I guess.

 
>>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

I adore J.D. Salinger's short stories.  Not Catcher in the Rye mind
you, which is ok.  Franny and Zooey are my favorite.  I guess because,
again, they are a big side of me.  I do not recommend him much,
because I hate to see people not get what I get.  I adore Pride and
Prejudice too.  Like a good, single, educated 25 year old female.  :)
   To be honest, I just do not read much fiction.  I read classics or
highly recommended books.  My entire family read HP from the first
book, but I stubbornly held out till one Thanksgiving when I sat down
bored and picked it up.  As we all know, the books are highly
addictive.  "Like crack," Jason Isaac said I think. I read the first
two the first day, and started the third the next, but had to leave
before finishing.  I made a beeline to the bookstore the next day and
bought all four without regret.  


>>Favorite TV shows?

Gilmore Girls.  I like the last four contestant time of American Idol.
  (Clay Aiken is a cd I will buy.)  History channel.  The Czars of
Russia was on last week.  


>>Favorite movies:

Beauty and the Beast.  Disney style.
Ever After.
Dangerous Beauty.

See a trend?  It disturbs me how girly I can be.  But really, all
those heroines are not the sleeping beauty/snow white variety.  They
all have their own spirit and fierceness.  I could go into more, but
this is getting long and I don't think you want to know me *that* well.

 
>>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>>say "lose weight."

Hehe.  Well.  I have never even weighed enough to give blood, so that
is not a problem I have.  I am not sure.  My life is not that old yet.
 I do not regret things, because they make me who I am today, and I
like me.  


>>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>>copy of Book 7:

I have sucked my thumb all my life.  I would not change it for
anything.  Before I said that food does not sooth me.  Well that is
because my thumb does.  It helps me calm down and think.  

Whew.  Now that I have confessed that, I might start using it to think
in tbay.  My character is already about six or seven years old anyway,
so I think I can get away with it without too many eyebrows.

 
>>Philosophy for an easy life:

It is only as fun as you make it.

 
>>How you found HPfGU:

Bored one day having no one to chat HP with.  I was on Leaky Cauldron
and flipped through the links out of desperation.  Never been on a
chat site before.  Only one I have even been on.  I posted my first
day because I told myself that if I was going to join, I had to play.
   Thanks for letting me play.


>>Active at other HP sites:

Nope.  Never gone looking either.  I like this one.  All I need.

 
>>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
 
Oh dear.  Rock solid?  Well I never theorize to be right.  I just talk
my mind and reasoning and they come out.  

Besides, I defend MD for the fun of it, and it is easier to side with
Pip and Grey than fight them.  :P  

Love you, Pip (and Grey).  :)  

But it would be fun if it came true.


>>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Alora: she lives near me here went to see COS the movie together

and recently when I was on a trip to the HP motherland of England:
Grey Wolf
Pip
GulPlum
David

Truly fun time too with the five of us.  And no, MDDT did not plot to
over through tbay.  :D

  
>>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

Oh good lord.  Like I know what y'all want to know about me. 
Hmmm...oh alright.

Did I have a happy childhood?

Yes.  Immensely.  I have amazing parents and a dear brother.  Who is
getting married on June 21st and preventing me from reading OoP
uninterrupted, and yet I still adore him.  Hmmm....now that is love.  


Melody    
who realizes she should add -longwinded, rambling, and talkative when
she thinks people care- to her list of traits.  :)





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 10:08:29 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:08:29 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbkget+26om@eGroups.com>


Oh Gods.  Here goes.
 
 **************************
 
>Real name:
 
Abigail Nussbaum

>Also known as:
 
abigailnus
 
>Age/Sex:
 
22/F
 
>Birthplace/Livingplace:
 
Born in Kiriat Ono, Israel, which is a semi-suburb of Tel Aviv.  I've 
lived in Israel all my life, and these days I divide my time between 
home and Haifa, a port city in the north where I'm going to university.

>Family Life:

Very, very single.  Family at this point includes world's best mother, 
world's best little brother (16), worlds' dumbest dog - Belladonna, 
mixed Semoyed-Bernaise, 8 - and her mother, Snowball, 13 year 
old Semoyed.
  
>Personality:
 
Yup, at least one.

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Well, someone once told me that I have absolutely no negative 
Karma, but that was during a month of training in the army, when 
the days stretch into weeks and the world shrinks to the narrow 
confines of a training base.  A lot of weird things get said during 
army training.  Anyway, I never kept in touch with her after 
completing training, which can't be good for the old Karma.  Damn.

Oh, and also tactless.
 
>Words you have used to describe you:

Serious, bookish.
 
>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Read.  Walk my dogs.  Study (hah!).  Go to movies.  

>Comfort foods:

Well, I do make the meanest chocolate chip cookies this side of 
the river Jordan.  No nuts, however.  Nuts are evil.  

Generally speaking, I love all the foods that I love equally.  
There's no favorite.
 
>Education/Work:

Currently wrapping up my second year of a Computer Science 
major at the Technion, which is a school for engineering and 
science that is ranked one of the top in the world (I'll stop 
bragging now).  I hope to continue on to a Master's degree in 
Cognitive Studies, which is the study of how the brain collects 
and stores information and the attempt to emulate that in 
computers.
  
I've never had a serious job, but I did serve in the army for 2 
years, which is just like a job except I was paid 36 cents an 
hour.  I worked in the Personnel department of the Medical 
Corps as a glorified clerk.  My job was to use a database query 
system that produced information about personnel.  I'd explain 
more but I think it might be enough to land me in jail, and I 
know that it'll be enought to bore you to tears.
 
>Language skills

English & Hebrew, both fluently - my mother is American and 
came to Israel in '71.  I took four years of French in high school 
and was actually pretty good, but I've forgotten it all.
 
>Technical know-how:

This is kind of emabarassing for a CS major to admit, but if your 
computer crashed I'd probably just tell you to hit the restart button.  
 
>Favourite HP book:

CoS.  Yes, I'm the one.
 
>Favourite HP character(s):

Like Cindy, my tastes have been skewed since I started with HPfGU.  
These days I'd have to say Snape, or maybe Neville.  Two years ago 
I don't think I really had a favorite character, but I admired 
Hermione very much - she was the person tha I was in high school, 
except a lot braver and wiser.

>Favourite HP line

I'm kind of scared to admit it, but I've never been that excited by 
JKR's dialogue.  It gets the job done, and occasionally merits a 
chuckle, but I don't really have a favorite.

The notable exception is not really a line, and is my favorite due 
to circumstances more than anything else.  I've mentioned before 
that my mother and I read the HP books to my brother (who is 
dyslexic).  While reading the first book, I came to the Hogwarts 
song, and when I started reading "Hogwarts, Hogwarts.  Hoggy, 
warty, Hogwarts!" we just all burst out into such laughter that it 
was impossible to finish the song and we all needed a few minute 
to collect ourselves before continuing.
 
>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Saw both.  Fervently wish I hadn't.  Just about the only thing those 
movies got right was casting Alan Rickman as Snape, and then he 
was completely wasted during the second movie!  Also, do not see 
the appeal of Jason Isaacs.  Hoping against hope to see something 
better from Cuaron.
 
>Into HP fanfiction?

Read one fanfic several years ago.  Thought is was mediocre.  
Haven't read anything since as I think my perception of the books has 
been skewed quite enough by hanging around HPfGU.
 
>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

How much time do I have?  A short list might include:
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon
Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson
Possession by A. S. Byatt
Bee Season by Mila Goldberg
Anything by Terry Pratchett, but especially Wyrd Sisters, Mort and Small Go=
ds
Bag of Bones by Stephen King
Perdido Street Station by China Mieville
The House of Mirth by Edith Wharton
An Instance of the Fingerpost by Iain Pears
Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkein (duh!)
and many others.
 
>Favorite TV shows?

The late, lamented Buffy the Vampire Slayer has got to be one of the 
best things to grace a television screen in a long time.  Angel is 
unfortunately not nearly as good, but enjoyable.  I like The West Wing 
mainly for its cleverness and dialogue.  My brother and I have recently 
gotten into the first season of 24, but I find it a bit too gimicky.
 
>Favorite movies:

The Matrix, and The Matrix Reloaded despite some resevations.  The 
first two LOTR movies.  Magnolia.  Donnie Darko.  The Age of Innocence.  
And many, many others.

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>say "lose weight."

I'd be more outgoing.  I'd get to know my father better while I still had 
the chance.  I'd try seriously to write.

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

If being outgoing means that I would read less than forget it.  And I 
don't want an advance copy of book 7 anyway!  Haven't you heard of 
delaying your pleasures?
 
>Philosophy for an easy life:

When I figure it out, you'll be the first to know.

>How you found HPfGU:

Good question.  I was searching online for the OOP releasse date 
and I came across alt.fan.harry-potter.  I wasn't very impressed, but 
I hung around, and at some point someone mentioned HPfGU.  At 
first I was expecting something along the lines of AFHP, and I was 
truly wowed by what I found.
 
>Active at other HP sites:

I check out TLC from time to time, but that's pretty much it.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Dead!Lupin.  And also Imperius!Arthur, although not necessarily in 
OOP.  Auror!Arthur is, I admit, on slightly shakier ground.
 
>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

None, but if any of you come to Israel, my Mom has a spare bedroom 
you can use.

Abigail
Wondering how you know when you've shared too much.





From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 11:00:34 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:00:34 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
Message-ID: <Law8-F62O38wlPn4e5600047dcd@hotmail.com>

Man, when you ask for somebody to de-lurk you ain't kidding.

Okay...here I go, taking the plunge...


Real name:

Gail Bohacek


Also known as:

Gandharvika (This is my spiritual name...er, Hi, I'm a Hare Krishna!)

Kylanthea...that is the name I typed in when I originally signed up for 
Yahoo.  It used to be the name of one of my favorite characters I played 
when I was into Dungeons & Dragons.  But stupid me, I spelled it wrong and I 
don't think there is a way to correct it.  The first posts I ever wrote to 
HP4GU I signed as "Kylanthea", but people kept referring to me as "Gail" and 
so I quickly nixed the alias.  If anybody knows how I can change this name, 
I would be forever in your debt.


Age/Sex:

33/F


Birthplace/Livingplace:

Born in Royal Oak, Michigan.  Stayed in Ann Arbor, MI, when I was at 
college.  Then moved to downtown Detroit (you saw the movie "8 Mile"?  
That's where I was, baby).  Moved from there in April of 2003 to where I am 
now in Philadelphia, PA (a much more healthy environment!)


Family Life:

Single.  No boyfriends.  Er...kinda sorta would like to get married but I'm 
not desperate.  Yet.


Personality:

Obsessive/compulsive


Words friends have used to describe you:

(I'm quoting Melody here) "Happy-go-lucky, cautious, honest, patient,  good 
listener"


Words you have used to describe you:

Bohemian (but *please*...not "hippy")


Things you do when not staring at the computer:

I listen to a lot of music (no surprise there, eh?) and I play a the bass 
guitar (a little).  I've just begun to learn how to ballroom dance... I 
really dig the tango!  Oh, I also do  Bikram Yoga (What is that, you ask?  
That's where you do yoga postures for 45 min. in a room where the heat has 
been cranked up to 100+  degrees F.).  I also read cookbooks for fun and I 
dig running around in thrift stores.  Oh, yeah, and I filk.


Comfort foods:

Crunchy stuff (chips and the like).  ICE CREAM!!!!  Brownies


Education/Work:

BA in Anthropology at the University of Michigan (practically useless but 
really interesting!) / I'm a cook at a vegetarian restaurant and I also do a 
little catering out of my apartment.


Language skills

English.


Technical know-how:

Less than Cindy


Favorite HP book:

So far, GoF...but I have a strong feeling that OoP is going to win me over.


Favorite HP character(s):

Snape.  Moody.  And Karkaroff amuses me for some reason.


Favorite HP line:

GoF, chapter "The Parting of the Ways"...I love that scene where Dumbledore
is telling Fudge that Lord Voldemort has returned which then culminates in 
my all time
favorite line:

"There", said Snape harshly, "There. The Dark Mark. It is not as clear as
it was, an hour or so ago when it burnt black, but you can still see it..."

Oooooo!  I *love* it!


Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watching, but the same way one watches a car accident as they drive by it on 
the freeway.  I know they are going to butcher it and it makes me MAD!  But 
I do love to see the still shots.  I nearly jumped out of my skin when I saw 
that picture of the Knight Bus that is there on the Main Page of this group.


Into HP fanfiction?

I'm a Fan Fic snob.  There are a few that I like, though:  Marina Frant's "A 
Small Truce" is the best I've ever seen, and "Fall On Me" is in second place 
http://www.sff.net/people/frants/hlfanfic.htm#hp
I've just begun the "Trouble In Paradise" series and would get into them 
even more if I had more time.


Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

The Bhagavad-Gita
Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway by Susan Jeffers


Favorite TV shows?

Heh...I haven't owned a television in years.  I'm *so* out of the loop.  But 
I did see an episode of
"CSI" at a friends house and if I had a TV I know I would be watching it.  
But I can tell you about the TV shows of the past.  Remember "Hill Street 
Blues"?  Classic!   I also liked "Steinfeld".

Favorite movies:

Recent ones:  "X-Men 2" (Nightcrawler ROCKS!)  "Lord Of The Rings" (Both of 
them)

Ones not so recent (not necessarily in this order):  "The Princess Bride", 
"Hunt For Red October", "A Hard Days Night", "Holiday Inn"


One thing about your life you'd change if you could  you may not
say "lose weight."

Damn, I was going to say, "Loose weight".

Okay then, I wish I could have been easier on myself as I was growing up.


One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance
copy of Book 7:

Making the move from Detroit to Philadelphia


Philosophy for an easy life:

Simple living and high thinking


How you found HPfGU:

Messing around with Google in a fit of boredom.  This was not too long after 
I made the discovery that I was not alone in my HP addiction.


Active at other HP sites:

Man, HP4GU takes up enough of my time as it is.  If I were active anywhere 
else I'd have to quit my job.


Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Hagrid is toast.


Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Personally?  As in, "Live and in Person" personally?  Then none.

But looking forward to meeting a whole lot of ya's at Nimbus next month!


Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

What Else Would You Like To Know?

Well...one thing about me is that I have a hard time looking at computer 
screens for any length of time.  If I do, my eyes start to burn and I 
develop headaches (just like now).  I'm always looking away from the screen 
at intervals.  I also have a hard time retaining information that is on the 
screen, especially long paragraphs.  I end up printing out a lot of stuff.  
Also, just about everything I write is first done in longhand and then I 
type it out.

-Gail

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From krisangelo at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  4 15:35:33 2003
From: krisangelo at hotmail.com (charisjulia)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 15:35:33 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbl3k5+jdso@eGroups.com>


Well, here I am, one more newbie, feeling all too bewildered and out?
of?my?depth for the time being, but dead chuffed to be here anyway! 
I'm not really sure I deserve this distinction actually, I've been 
largely absent from the main list for so long. . . But I definitely 
meant to start posting once more once I finished my exams and 
returned home, and here's the extra shove to get me going! Still 
don't know how much time I'll have till then (and really sorry to 
keep on repeating this! :--), but I'm definitely inclined to spend as 
much as as possible leaning all about how FP works! For the time 
being I don't seem to have any questions (Deranimmer and Abigail have 
coved me), so I guess I'll just skip straight to the bio.

Really glad to be here!

Charis Julia

**************************

>Real name:

Christina Joanna Angelopoulos. And, yes, there is a connection with 
Charis, but only to my slightly unusual brain. . .

>Also known as:

Charis Julia, but only on HPFGU. 

>Age/Sex:

21/F

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Born in Amarousion, Attica to an English mother and a Greek father. 
This, by the way, means that I myself have both nationalities and 
when I say both I mean both! No "which do you prefer" questions 
please! ;--) Seriously, I do get a lot of people misunderstanding 
this and it can get a bit weary on the nerves. As my sister and I 
have it "We're Europeans! Cosmopolitans! Citizens of the World!"

Grew up in Kifissia, which is in the Northern Suburbs of Athens, 
about as far out from the centre as you can get. Currently at the end 
of an Erasmus year in Leuven, Flanders, Belgium. (The 
Erasmus/Socrates programme is a European student exchange programme, 
which is currently all the rage in European Universities. Everyone is 
leaving on Erasmus! Great life, life--defining experience, learn 
loads, meet * really* cool people) I'm moving back to Athens on June 
3rd (but not for long if I can help it!)

>Family Life:

Single and really enjoying living on my own for the first time. But 
all to come to an end in July. . . In Athens I live with my parents 
and sister.

>Personality:

Yes, but don't tell anyone. . .

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Oh, well, a favourite at the moment seems to be "surprising". 
Apparently I look timid and unassuming and then turn around and do 
something really unexpected out of blue like move country or dance 
tsiftendelli on the table. Or I appear to be organised and self-
disciplined, but always end up handing papers in on the last day and 
can never wait for the little green man before I cross a street. 

>Words you have used to describe you:

Oh, I * do* hate this kind of thing. . . Right, err, reticent, 
bookish, moody, difficult but terribly devoted to anything I really 
care for, enthusiastic, excitable, painfully sensitive and an 
unashamed  procrastinator. (That was a warning by the way.)
 

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Read, walk (anywhere as long as I'm moving my legs), study German, 
study law, day-dream far too much and I've been travelling quite a 
lot this year too.

>Comfort foods:

Well, tea is my panacea to almost anything really. And I like baked 
stuff. 

>Education/Work:

I'm studying law at the moment at the University of Athens. Not 
entirely sure why, but I'm hoping to find out somewhere along the 
line. I'm especially interested in EU law, if I can claim to be 
interested in any kind of law. And then there's the Erasmus of 
course. 
 
>Language skills

English. Greek. Working desperately on my German, fervently wish I 
could call myself fluent, but not even close yet. Forgotten all my 
French, must pick it up again this autumn. Can introduce myself and 
order coffee in Dutch. Errr, does Ancient Greek count? Followed six 
bloomin' years of the stuff at school after all, used to be able to 
whiz through the grammar and syntax, spilling out streams of 
anomalous verbs and declining person pronouns in my sleep. But I'm 
cheating, Melody: I could understand the Bible in the original Greek 
no problem waaaay before I started high school. (not that I ever 
really exercise this skill, to be perfectly honest) It's when you 
enter the 5th century BC that things really start getting tough for a 
native speaker. 

 
>Technical know-how:

Zilch. But I do have one unfailing method of dealing with anything I 
can't handle with computers: "Daaaaaaaaaaaddyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!" 
My father's an electrical engineer. 

>Favourite HP book:

Used to be PoA, but HPFGU has opened my eyes to the intrigue and 
complexity of GoF. Now I can't really choose. 

>Favourite HP character(s):

Ron and indeed all the Wealseys. Then come Lupin and Sirius.
 
>Favourite HP line

If I had to pick one it would probably be from the end of PoA when 
Lupin enters the Shrieking Shack: "Next moment he had walked to 
Black's side, seized his hand, pulled him to his feet so that 
Crookshanks fell to the floor, and embraced Black like a brother."
It just s sends shivers down my spine.


>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Well, if I had a television I guess I'd be watching ? and cringing 
while I did so. I definitely preferred the first film to the second. 
I think the films evoke the general atmosphere of the books all 
right, but massacre the story and the characters. Oh, and I'm 
probably the only member on the list who does not think Rickman makes 
the perfect Snape.

>Into HP fanfiction?

No, not at all. Think I've read a total of about 2 fanfics.
 
>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

"The Lord of the Rings" by Tolkien. "The Scarlet Letter" by Nathaniel 
Hawthorne, "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee, "Captain Corelli's 
Mandolin" (minus the ending which has to be the biggest let--down in 
the history of literature) by Louis De Bernieres, the 
entire "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" series by Douglas 
Adams, "All Quiet on the Western Front" by Erich Maria 
Remarque, "Wuthering Heights" by Emily Bronte, I'm really beginning 
to get into Terry Prachett, "The Neverending Story" by Michael 
Ende, "The Green Years" by AJ Cronin, all the "Anne" books by LM 
Montgomery, "Little Women" by LM Alcott, I'm reading "Women In Love" 
by DH Lawrence at the moment and am positively captivated, there's 
those Potter books of course and you know what, I could go on like 
this all day. . . 
 
>Favorite TV shows?

The only television I've watched since I returned from my Christmas 
holidays has been football matches down at the Irish Pub. But back 
when I lived a normal modern bourgeois life, I (and my entire family) 
were really into "Friends". Do mini--series count?
If yes, then I'll add Pride and Prejudice", "The Jewel in the 
Crown", "Brideshead Revisited" (or anything British that comes my way 
really) and "Anne of Green Gables". 

>Favorite movies:

"The Sound of Music", "The English Patient", "The Fiddler on the 
Roof", "The Dead Poets Society" (minus the ending), "You've Got 
Mail", "A Room with a View". Of latest releases I really, really 
liked "Chicago", was enthralled by "Frieda" and greatly enjoyed "X2".


>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>say "lose weight."

My hair then? :-)
Hmm, I'll spare you the childhood trauma and just go with being more 
involved with ELSA (the European Law Students Association), but that 
would mean admitting that I am really a committed law student. . . 
Have decided to volunteer to work for the board in ELSA-Athens come 
autumn anyway.


>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

My friends, hands down.

>Philosophy for an easy life:

Oh, just keep going, I guess. Things usually turn out all right in 
the end.

>How you found HPfGU:

Same way everyone else seems to have done: browsing the web out of 
boredom and desperation to find somebody else so much into HP. I 
stumbled across the site sometime in mid autumn 2001 and then sat on 
my discovery for about two months, opening the home page every time I 
went online but never actually deciding to join. (I'd never ever even 
chatted before, felt rather shy and besides: what bunch of losers sit 
around talking about * Harry Potter* all day anyway? :-D)

>Active at other HP sites:

No, I've hardly been active in this one for so long after all.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Two month ago I would have said "Ron will be Keeper", but now we know 
this for sure anyway. So I'll change to Dead,dead,dead!Hagrid

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Errrrrr, nobody, actually. But I'd love to!


Charis Julia





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 16:48:49 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:48:49 -0000
Subject: Team List
Message-ID: <bbl7th+nvoj@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I was wondering whether we ought to include some sort of roster of 
the FAQ team on the FP page somewhere.  I think the only time we've 
ever advised the list of our existence was in an ADMIN 6 months ago.  

Would it be worthwhile, do you think?  If so, one of us could compile 
it from the "Members" page here and shoot it off to Porphyria.

Cindy -- who's brainstorming, not volunteering




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 19:04:03 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:04:03 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bblfr3+p8qq@eGroups.com>

First my awful Mundungus de-lurk post, now this...

>Real name:

Phyllis Morris
(not Philip Morris, the tobacco magnate ? *Phyllis* Morris)

>Also known as:

erisedstraeh2002 (Yahoo ID)
Phyl (nickname only used by my three brothers and Grey Wolf) 

>Age/Sex:

Same as Cindy: 41/F

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Interestingly, the exact opposite of Cindy ? I was born in 
Washington, D.C. (I actually used to work in Bethesda, Maryland ? a 
hellish commute from where I was living in Arlington, Virginia!), but 
have lived in New York (State capitol, Albany) since 1992.

>Family Life:

1 husband, 2 kids (4 and 6).  

>Personality:

Hard-working, fairly serious but I love a good laugh.

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Sensitive, loyal, provider of good advice

>Words you have used to describe you:

Too hard-working!

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Primarily working and caring for my family.  I hold a third-degree 
black belt in karate, so I train sometimes (not as much as I should, 
however!).  I also play the piano, but have regressed from playing 
Bach inventions at competitions to playing nursery songs for my kids 
(the latter is infinitely more enjoyable, however!).
 
>Comfort foods:

Anything with sugar and refined white flour as the main ingredients.  
Preferably including chocolate.

>Education/Work:

BA in English and History from the University of Notre Dame; MPA 
(Master of Public Administration) from the George Washington 
University.

Currently working in the New York Governor's budget office as a 
budget analyst for state welfare programs.

>Language skills

I only know English, but I know it well!

>Technical know-how:

Proficient with word processing; good with numbers; good analyst; 
good proofreader and editor; fast and accurate typist; OK with 
spreadsheets.

>Favourite HP book:

PoA. 

>Favourite HP character(s):

Harry.  I'm a sucker for a hero! 

>Favourite HP line

My favorite *funny* lines: 

Ch. 18 of CoS, when Dumbledore says  "`Impaled upon your own sword, 
Gilderoy!' `Sword?' said Lockhart dimly.  `Haven't got a sword.  That 
boy has, though.' He pointed at Harry. `He'll lend you one.'"

My favorite *inspirational* lines:

Dumbledore to Harry: "You think the dead we have loved ever truly 
leave us?" (PoA, Ch. 22)

Dumbledore to the assembled Hogwarts students:  "We are only as 
strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided." (GoF, Ch. 37)

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watching; mostly enjoying, although some parts aggravate me when they 
deviate too much from the text.  I want the movies to be just like 
the books!

>Into HP fanfiction?

I haven't read any fan fiction yet.

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Oh, my.  So hard to pick just a few.  I really enjoyed the "Wind on 
Fire" trilogy by William Nicholson; the "His Dark Materials" trilogy 
and "Clockwork" by Philip Pullman; "The Giver" by Lois Lowry and "The 
Lovely Bones" by Alice Seibold.

>Favorite TV shows?

I haven't watched TV since I stopped nursing my daughter three years 
ago, but when I was watching, I enjoyed "Law and Order."  It was the 
best show to watch while nursing, since daily re-runs were shown 
during prime nursing hours ? 11:00 p.m. and 3:00 a.m.

>Favorite movies:

Lorenzo's Oil; Awakenings

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>say "lose weight."

Rats, losing weight is always high on my agenda!  I would try to be 
more easy-going and not take life so seriously.

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

Having children.  Although I wouldn't want an advance copy of Book 7 
until I had the opportunity to read Book 6!

>Philosophy for an easy life:

Find the happiness that lies within!  (When I've managed to figure 
out how to do this, I'll let you know.)

>How you found HPfGU:

Like Cindy, I was trying to find out the release date for Book 5. 
Last summer, I saw the SS video for sale at the drugstore and thought 
I'd buy it to see what all the commotion was about.  I was 
immediately hooked, and bought the first three books, foolishly 
thinking that they would answer all of the unanswered questions the 
movie left me with.  I only bought the first three books since GoF 
was due to come out in paperback the next month and I figured it 
would take me that long to read three books.  How wrong I was!  Like 
so many others, I buzzed right through SS, CoS and PoA and 
immediately purchased the GoF hardback (there was no way I was 
waiting for the paperback!).  I then wanted to find out when Book 5 
was coming out, and Google took me to the Book 5 page on Steve's 
Lexicon.  I started exploring the Lexicon, and found references to 
HPfGU, and thought I'd check it out.  I was instantly impressed by 
the quality of the posts and the friendliness of the folks!

>Active at other HP sites:

I regularly visit The Leaky Cauldron for news, and still putter 
around the Lexicon occasionally.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

We will find out that Fawkes was once Godric Gryffindor's phoenix.

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

None yet, but like Gail, I am hoping to remedy this in July at 
Nimbus!  Although I feel as if I've personally met many HPfGU-ers 
during Sunday chat and on the lists.
 
~Phyllis
thanking you all for taking the time to read this!




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 20:36:21 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 20:36:21 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bbl7th+nvoj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbll85+li0h@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> I was wondering whether we ought to include some sort of roster of 
> the FAQ team on the FP page somewhere. <snip> If so, one of us 
> could compile it from the "Members" page here and shoot it off to 
> Porphyria.

Now me:

I prepared the list, but before I finalize it, I wanted the group to 
review it and make sure I have their name reflected as they would 
like it to read. I've put both your "real" name as well as your Yahoo 
ID - if you'd rather just use one or the other (or something entirely 
different altogether), please let me know.  I just went in the order 
that members were listed in the Members file, so if you'd like a 
different order, let me know that as well.

Also, I've picked up everyone from the Members file, but was 
wondering whether I should only include the persons with the yellow 
stars next to their names?  Just let me know.

There are two members whose "real" name I do not know: kippesp and 
siriusgeologist.

Here's the list:

Abigail (abigailnus)
Ali (alhewison)
Catherine (catorman)
Cindy (cindysphynx)
? (siriusgeologist)
Caius (coriolan_cmc2001)
Dicentra (dicentra63)
Amanda (mandolabar)
Debbie (elfundeb2)
Eloise (eloise_herisson)
Phyllis (erisedstraeh2002)
Pippin (pippin_999)
Gail (klyanthea)
Gwen (gwendolyngrace)
Heidi (heiditandy)
Jennifer (jenP_97)
Jim (jferer)
Jo Serenadust (serenadust)
Joy (Joy0823)
? (kippesp)
Christina (charisjulia)
Eileen (lucky_kari)
Amy (lupinesque)
Melody (malady579)
Mike (aberforths_goat)
Kimberly (moongirlk)
Morgan (morgan_d_yyh)
Penny (plinsenmayer)
Pip (bluesqueak)
Porphyria (porphyria_ash)
Barb (psychic_serpent)
Marina (marinafrants)
Simon (owlfriend_of_hedwig)
Elkins (ssk7882)
Steve (hp_lexicon)
Susanna (derannimer)
Sheryll (S_Ings)
Tabouli (f-price)

Thanks,
Phyllis




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 21:35:31 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:35:31 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bblon3+ud20@eGroups.com>

First, more welcomes -- to Charis Julia and Morgan!

You don't really want to know about me, but . . . .

*Real name:
Debbie Duncan/Debra J. Duncan

*Also known as:

elfundeb

*Age/Sex:
46/Female and looking for the Fountain of Youth

*Birthplace/Livingplace:

Born and raised: NYC suburbs (northern New Jersey)
Live: Arlington, Virginia (Phyllis, where in Arlington did you live?)

*Family Life:
1 husband, 2 children ages 11 and 9.

*Personality:
INTP 

*Words friends have used to describe you:
smart, driven, analytical, argumentative, committed

*Words you have used to describe you:
lazy, indecisive, shy, overcommitted, spacy

*Things you do when not staring at the computer:
Whatever my kids want to do

*Comfort foods:
Asian food, *very* spicy; gooey cookies; chocolate and red wine; 
goldfish and white wine (stimulates brain cells)

*Education/Work:
B.A. in Government, College of William and Mary
J.D., George Washington University
I'm a practicing tax lawyer and poster child for the firm's "mommy 
track"  

*Language skills
English, intermediate and extremely rusty Spanish which I discovered 
is not good enough to get me through "El Caliz de Fuego" (GoF)

*Technical know-how:
I can call the help desk

*Favourite HP book:
PoA, then GoF

*Favourite HP character(s):
Lupin, Ron, Snape, Hermione, Percy 

*Favourite HP line
"That's not a rat," croaked Sirius Black suddenly.
"What d'you mean -- of course he's a rat --"
"No, he's not," said Lupin quietly. "He's a wizard."
"An Animagus," said Black, "by the name of Peter Pettigrew."


*Watching/Avoiding the HP movie?:
Watched the first one twice, was generally disappointed; watched the 
second one once, was bitterly disappointed; hoping for better things 
from Cuaron

*Into HP fanfiction?
No; don't want to confuse my canon

*Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:
Anything by Jane Austen; To Kill a Mockingbird; Lord of the Rings; 
Barbara Tuchman's history books; lots more I can't think of right now

*Favourite TV shows:
Baseball and the history channel. I actually prefer the TV to be off. 
My kids like Sponge Bob.

*Favourite movies:
Casablanca; Dr. Zhivago; many more if I could think of them.

*One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
> >say "lose weight."
> 
> I wish I knew how to make a living at something other than 
> practicing law. 
> 
*One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
> >copy of Book 7:
> 
> My husband.  

And, yes, I did just copy Cindy's answers for these last two.  

*Philosophy for an easy life?:
Everything in moderation. *Everything!*

> >How you found HPfGU:
>  
I was reading the books and remembered that I thought I'd heard they 
were making a movie, so I thought I'd check and discovered the 
Lexicon, which eventually led me here

*Active at other HP sites:
> 
No, I don't have time.
> 
*Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
> Neville's Memory Charm, hopefully with tortured toddler and MC'd 
parent variant.
> 
> 
*Members of the fandom you have personally met:
> 
Penny
Cindy
Joywitch
Joy
Amanda

And expecting to add considerably to the list at Nimbus!

>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:
>  
*What am I doing here?
A:  I'm insane.  

Debbie
throwing up more welcome fireworks





From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  4 21:52:40 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:52:40 -0000
Subject: It's a Small World (WAS: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You)
In-Reply-To: <bblon3+ud20@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bblpn8+at48@eGroups.com>

Debbie (elfundeb) wrote:

> Live: Arlington, Virginia (Phyllis, where in Arlington did you 
> live?)

Now me:

My parents still live in Arlington - in Ashton Heights, on Jackson 
St. (between Pershing Dr. and Rte. 50).  When I moved into my own 
apartment in Arlington, I lived near the Ballston Commons mall.  
Where are you in Arlington?  The place looks different every time I 
go back for a visit - much more upscale and swanky now than when I 
lived there.  And the housing prices go up about $100,000 each visit 
as well!

Debbie again:
 
> Born and raised: NYC suburbs (northern New Jersey)

Me again:

OK, now my turn - my mother's from Bayonne, NJ - were you raised near 
there?

Debbie again:

> *Personality:
> INTP 

Me again:

I had completely forgotten about Myers-Briggs until I saw this - I'm 
an INTP also!!

Debbie again:

> J.D., George Washington University

Me again:

And my MPA is from George Washington...

~Phyllis
singing "It's a Small World After All" to herself




From dicentra at xmission.com  Wed Jun  4 22:22:53 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:22:53 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bbll85+li0h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bblrft+an9g@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" <erisedstraeh2002 at y...> wrote:
> 
> There are two members whose "real" name I do not know: kippesp and 
> siriusgeologist.

Paul and Carole, respectively.

--Dicey




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun  4 22:40:46 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:40:46 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bblrft+an9g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bblshe+a37t@eGroups.com>

Don't forget Eric Oppen, who should be joining us momentarily.

Cindy -- still trying to track down Tom and Naama




From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Jun  5 02:09:33 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (pennylin)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:09:33 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
References: <bblon3+ud20@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <016b01c32b07$83a10840$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

Am laughing hysterically at one of Debbie's answers --

*Comfort foods:
Asian food, *very* spicy; gooey cookies; chocolate and red wine; 
goldfish and white wine (stimulates brain cells)

having just consumed large handfuls of goldfish with a glass of white wine before dinner the other day in fact.  The goldfish were out because my toddler had the munchies in the late afternoon, and I decided that the day was nearly done and poured myself a glass of white wine to go with my snack while she was watching a video.  LOL!  Glad to know that combo stimulated my brain cells for a nano-second

Penny
(who thinks Amanda's typical day sounds about like mine, though with only one kid so it can't be *as* tiring as what Amandageist does..........but I too am booked solid every second of the day until I collapse in bed)

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From morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 02:21:15 2003
From: morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com (Morgan D.)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <1054722771.650.45394.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030605022115.14302.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com>

> It occurred to me that what we have here is a group of people who 
> don't know each other very well.  Heck, I had no idea Charis Julia 
> is in Greece, Morgan is in Brazil, and Abigail is in Israel.  I kind 
> of assumed they were all in Peoria or something.  ;-)

Peoria... Peoria... 
*checks encyclopaedia*
...Illinois, USA?
Nope. Never been there. At all. Never been anywhere in the North
hemisphere, for that matter.
Anyway, time to properly introduce myself:

> Real name:

Not telling, sorry. Constant vigilance, you know. 

> Also known as:

Morgan D.

> Age/Sex:

30/F

> Birthplace/Livingplace:

Brazil Southeast. 

> Family Life:

Single, sharing a house with my sister after my parents moved out ^__^
Yeah, we kinda inverted the usual pattern.

>Personality:

Unique. ^_~

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Opinionated, articulate, affectionate, bad loser, holds grudges for
years.

>Words you have used to describe you:

Too honest for my own good, nonsensical, too clinging and dependent,
awful loser, and what do you mean by "forgive and forget"?

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Sing with a madrigal, sing by myself, watch anime, read manga, write.

>Comfort foods:

Croissants, peach juice, ice cream, brigadeiros (Brazilian sweet)

>Education/Work:

Graduated in Cinema. Working as webdesigner. 

>Language skills

Portuguese (first language)
English
French
Spanish (because it's very similar to Portuguese, I have no problem
understanding it, but I can't speak or write in it)
Japanese (studying seriously since 2001)

>Technical know-how:

Html and stuff, of course. I can weld a wire and change a tyre if I
need to. And I can cook and sew and make tapestries... ^__^

>Favourite HP book:

GoF. Because it was the only one I completely failed to guess the plot.

>Favourite HP character(s):

SIRIUS BLACK!!!!!!

>Favourite HP line

"Oh, he's not unbalanced. He's just suffered a severe disappointment."

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watching, not liking them, but then I've always despised Chris
Columbus' works. I'm looking forward checking Cuarn's input.

>Into HP fanfiction?

Definitely. 
As a reader, I keep desperately looking for good, canonical fics
portraying Sirius and Harry's parent/child relationship -- it's
*really* hard to find any.
As a writer, I'm one of the minds behind the Hogwarts Letters project
(fanfiction composed of letters exchanged between several characters). 

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" series. 

>Favorite TV shows?

"Quantum Leap". And anime, lots and lots of anime.

>Favorite movies:

The "Star Wars" original trilogy, Milos Forman's "Amadeus", Yasujiro
Ozu's "Ohayou", Sidney Lumet's "Twelve Angry Men" and "Deathtrap", Nick
Park's "The Wrong Trousers".

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could  you may not 
>say "lose weight."

I'd spend all my days writing and singing, not caring about ridiculous
stuff like working and making money... 
 
>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

Just one? Hmmm... My goose-feathered quilt. (Actually, I *don't* think
I want an advance copy of Book 7.)

>Philosophy for an easy life:

When you give someone a hug, make it warm and tight; when you give
someone a kiss, make it sweet and scorching; when you give someone a
kick in the arse, use your hardest boot, with poisoned steel thorns on
the toe. 

>How you found HPfGU:

Through my sister, who stumbled on the Fantastic Posts page while
looking for info about Snape. ^___^

>Active at other HP sites:

Hogwarts Letters.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

No Weasley will die. (And I won't see as much of Sirius as I want and
need to.)

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Gomes Moor, ptyx666... and I once talked to Theresa Ann Wymer on the
phone, does that count? ^__^

>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

<Did you try to resist the HP fever at first, wondering why people were
making such a fuss about a bunch of kiddie books?>

Yep. I was utterly *shocked* when my mother asked the books for
Christmas in 2001. My own mother, giving in to this pathetic fad... 
Horror of horrors... 

> <Something you'd do over if you had the chance:>

Fly on a balloon.

> <If one wish could be granted you, would you choose a benefit for
> yourself or for someone else?>

For myself. I wouldn't dream of deciding what is best to someone else.


Morgan D.
Hogwarts Letters - http://www.hogwartsletters.hpg.com.br

__________________________________
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From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jun  5 03:41:20 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 03:41:20 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbme50+g2aj@eGroups.com>

>Real name:

Bonnie May (no relation to the month or the helping verb)

>Also known as:

Dicentra spectabilis
Dicentra_spectabilis_alba (older account)

>Age/Sex:

39/Celibate, thank you

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Born: Payson UT. Raised: Ogden UT. Living: Salt Lake City UT. Also
spent 10 years living in the Finger Lakes area of NY (5 as a child, 5
during grad school), 15 months in Colombia, and 2 months in Madrid.

>Family Life:

Single with a cat, one fish, and an obscene amount of foliage

>Personality:

INFJ, I think.  Reserved/reclusive until I get to know you, then I'm
silly.

>Words friends have used to describe you:

Friends?

>Words you have used to describe you:

Insecure, introverted, sarcastic, non-athletic, bookish, anal (only
with punctuation, spelling, and grammar), reliable, loyal,
clutter-monger, pessimist. Oh, and depressed. That's the MD's word.

>Anything else you'd like to reveal?:

Practicing Mormon, er, member of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints. Didn't get tickets to Olympic games (too
expensive). Watched opening ceremonies from living room and subsequent
fireworks from front porch. 

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

>Comfort foods:

Cookie dough, chocolate, peppermint patties, Cheetos, fresh bread

>Education/Work:

BA and MA in Spanish. PhD work in Spanish Lit but quit midway through
dissertation because I ran out of money (as did the university) and
because I finally found an antidepressant that worked but it made me
sleep 12-18 hours a day. YOU read Fray Francisco de Osuna's Third
Spiritual Alphabet when drowsy and see how far you get. Upon leaving
college, discovered that I had No Marketable Skills. Moved back in
with parents for a bit.

Currently a technical writer at a tech writing firm that does work for
Intel, Novell, and other companies. This is the only paying work you
can get with Useless Degrees like mine.

>Language skills:

English, Spanish, some Portuguese. 

>Technical know-how:

You'd think a tech writer would have lots, but actually I only know
just enough to really hose a system good. I can also create documents
to explain how to do things.

>Favourite HP book:

PoA. All others run a close second.

>Favourite HP character(s):

Actually, I like them all, but I'm partial to Harry, Sirius, Remus,
the Weasley Twins, and Snape.

>Favourite HP line:

"Harry would have pointed out that trouble didn't come much worse than
having slugs pouring out of your mouth, but he couldn't: Hagrid's
treacle fudge had cemented his jaws together."

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movie?

Saw each at the cinema four times: own both DVDs.  Really mad that
they cut so many important scenes out of CoS.  Found that when you
watch them over and over, they kinda grow on you.

>Into HP fanfiction?

No, but I might consider writing some.

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Any Newberry Award Book; "The Back Room" by Carmen Martin Gaite,
"Pilgrim at Tinker Creek" by whassername

>Favourite TV:

CSI, and Law and Order (that makes five shows, in case you didn't
know). Occasional Buffy and Stargate: SG1. 

>Favourite cinema:

Sci-fi, political thriller (e.g., Red October), suspense (e.g. Sixth
Sense), anything with Alan Rickman in it. (His Rasputin is electrifying!)

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not
>say "lose weight."

Lose wei--D'oh!  Fine!  I would like to be independently wealthy so I
could putter around in my flowerbeds and do random creative things.

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance
>copy of Book 7:

Having lived in foreign countries.  Nothing like it to give you
perspective.

>Philosophy for an easy life?:

See Amanda's answer

>How you found HPfGU:

Googled "Harry Potter" and found the Lexicon, which referenced HPfGU.

>Your most rock-solid OoP prediction:

Harry's gonna get kissed!  And *not* by Draco. :D

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Elkins
Cindy

>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

<Something you'd do over if you had the chance:>

Once a guy invited me over for ice cream and "Casablanca," but I was
just starting something up with his raquetball buddy so I declined. 
Should have accepted the invite... :P

--Dicey, who *really* wishes she had accepted the invite: man was he cute!




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jun  5 13:51:57 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:51:57 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnhtt+cdgo@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> 
wrote:
Oh. A striptease. OK, then, if you insist ;-)
> 
> >Real name:
Real, real name: Philippa Anne Downs 
> >Also known as:

Pip
Pipsqueak
Anne Etchells (name on my Equity card, for acting purposes)

> >Age/Sex:
 
Not yet 40/Female
 
> >Birthplace/Livingplace:

Bramhall, Cheshire, UK. Living in London, UK.

> >Family Life:

Single, no kids, no pets, but definitely a life. Too much of a life 
at times ...

> >Personality:

Highly trained extrovert. Like a lot of actors, a natural introvert.
 
> >Words friends have used to describe you:

Know it all, caring, committed (I didn't ask whether I *am* 
committed or *should be* committed), cautious, self-contained. 

> >Words you have used to describe you:

Shy, lazy, self-contained, self-centred.

> >Things you do when not staring at the computer:
> 

My job, studying, temping, watching movies, church work, volunteer 
work with teenagers and pre-teens.

> >Comfort foods:
> 
Chocolate, more chocolate, lots and lots of chocolate. Followed by 
toffee and sweets.
 
> >Education/Work:
 
Undergrad degree in Drama/History, postgrad course in Acting, 
professional short courses in acting, currently studying 
undergraduate level Computer Science.

Worked in: theatre, tv series, adverts, short films. And when I have 
to earn money by a ::shiver:: normal job, I can produce mean Word 
documents. With diagrams, tables, imported PowerPoint, you name it.

> >Language skills

English, plus I can read Spanish.

> >Technical know-how:

Can replace computer cards, add memory, that kind of stuff. Have 
discovered that 'shut down the computer and reboot' solves 90% of 
all software problems. Can just about code a webpage in HTML, if 
you're not asking for any animations or sound effects.
 
> >Favourite HP book:

Currently a draw between PoA and GoF. 
 
> >Favourite HP character(s):

Snape, Ron, Voldemort, Petunia and Dudley Dursley.

> >Favourite HP line

Or maybe,...,he's waiting to hear why you two didn't arrive on the 
school train.

> >Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watched, but spent a lot of time studying the acting techniques. 
This is *not* the sign of a movie that's keeping me involved in the 
story ;-)
 
> >Into HP fanfiction?

No, but may well be after Book 7. 

> >Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:
 
Connie Willis, 'Doomsday Book' and 'To Say Nothing of The Dog' 
(straight sf). Most Terry Pratchett. 'Pride and Prejudice'
> 
> >Favorite TV shows?
 
Anything I'm in. ;-)
 
> >Favorite movies:

Muppet Christmas Carol. 
 
> >One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
> >say "lose weight."

I'd have been born the daughter of a highly successful film 
producer ...
 
> >One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
> >copy of Book 7:

Deciding I'd rather be an actor than an accountant.

> >Philosophy for an easy life:

You want an *easy* life?
 
> >How you found HPfGU:
>  

Wondered if there were any HP websites one day, used Google, found 
HPfGU.
  
> >Active at other HP sites:

No.
 
> >Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Hagrid is toast. There will be a TBAY scene in July showing me, Mel 
and Grey doing repairs on a certain kitchen appliance [grin].
 
> >Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Neil Ward
Catherine
Joywitch Curmudgeon
Melody
John
Richard GulPlum
Eloise
Ali
Michelle (Pingu the Greek)
David Frankis
Grey Wolf

I'm sure there's more, since there were over 50 people at the CoS 
premiere meet...

Apologies if I've forgotten any names of people here.

Why spend my time on an internet forum about books which are seen 
as 'children's books'?

Hey, I make my living dressing up in funny clothes and pretending to 
be someone else. By my standards, writing about Harry Potter is 
positively adult...

Pip






From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 14:04:19 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:04:19 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bblshe+a37t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnil3+mpd9@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Don't forget Eric Oppen, who should be joining us momentarily.
> 
> Cindy -- still trying to track down Tom and Naama

Now me:

OK, I'll add Eric - perhaps I should wait to finalize the list until 
you hear back from Tom and Naama?

~Phyllis




From krisangelo at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  5 14:41:37 2003
From: krisangelo at hotmail.com (charisjulia)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:41:37 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bbll85+li0h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnkr1+7ll2@eGroups.com>


Better put me down as Charis Julia or just plain Charis, Phyllis. 
Christina is not a name I've ever used on the list, so I don't think 
anybody would recognise it. Besides, what good is the internet is you 
can't hide behind a pseudonym once in a while? 

Charis Julia

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" <erisedstraeh2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering whether we ought to include some sort of roster 
of 
> > the FAQ team on the FP page somewhere. <snip> If so, one of us 
> > could compile it from the "Members" page here and shoot it off to 
> > Porphyria.
> 
> Now me:
> 
> I prepared the list, but before I finalize it, I wanted the group 
to 
> review it and make sure I have their name reflected as they would 
> like it to read. I've put both your "real" name as well as your 
Yahoo 
> ID - if you'd rather just use one or the other (or something 
entirely 
> different altogether), please let me know.  I just went in the 
order 
> that members were listed in the Members file, so if you'd like a 
> different order, let me know that as well.
> 
> Also, I've picked up everyone from the Members file, but was 
> wondering whether I should only include the persons with the yellow 
> stars next to their names?  Just let me know.
> 
> There are two members whose "real" name I do not know: kippesp and 
> siriusgeologist.
> 
> Here's the list:
> 
> Abigail (abigailnus)
> Ali (alhewison)
> Catherine (catorman)
> Cindy (cindysphynx)
> ? (siriusgeologist)
> Caius (coriolan_cmc2001)
> Dicentra (dicentra63)
> Amanda (mandolabar)
> Debbie (elfundeb2)
> Eloise (eloise_herisson)
> Phyllis (erisedstraeh2002)
> Pippin (pippin_999)
> Gail (klyanthea)
> Gwen (gwendolyngrace)
> Heidi (heiditandy)
> Jennifer (jenP_97)
> Jim (jferer)
> Jo Serenadust (serenadust)
> Joy (Joy0823)
> ? (kippesp)
> Christina (charisjulia)
> Eileen (lucky_kari)
> Amy (lupinesque)
> Melody (malady579)
> Mike (aberforths_goat)
> Kimberly (moongirlk)
> Morgan (morgan_d_yyh)
> Penny (plinsenmayer)
> Pip (bluesqueak)
> Porphyria (porphyria_ash)
> Barb (psychic_serpent)
> Marina (marinafrants)
> Simon (owlfriend_of_hedwig)
> Elkins (ssk7882)
> Steve (hp_lexicon)
> Susanna (derannimer)
> Sheryll (S_Ings)
> Tabouli (f-price)
> 
> Thanks,
> Phyllis




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun  5 15:25:32 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:25:32 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbiihq+g2bk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnndc+9e8p@eGroups.com>

Hey, all,

Is anyone able to look for the Dumbledore variant of Assassin!Snape 
and edit the draft accordingly?  I'm a little pressed for time right 
now.

Cindy -- enjoying all of the bios tremendously and chuckling because, 
for one brief moment, she couldn't understand why Debbie and Penny 
enjoy eating wriggling goldfish straight from the aquarium






From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  5 15:49:34 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:49:34 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bbnkr1+7ll2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnoqe+aa2b@eGroups.com>

Charis Julia wrote:

> Better put me down as Charis Julia or just plain Charis, Phyllis. 

Now me:

Consider it done!  Thanks for letting me know.

~Phyllis




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun  5 16:25:19 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:25:19 -0000
Subject: OoP Spoilers on FAQ
Message-ID: <bbnqtf+ri8@eGroups.com>

Hey,

A chill ran down my spine today when it hit me that I'll be reading 
OoP in just 16 days!  ::chill::  And it occurred to me that we 
haven't figured out how we'll deal with spoilers on this list between 
now and then.

Maybe we should all try not to mention spoilers of any kind here 
before June 21?  

After the release if more tricky.  Shall we assume that no one will 
log on here until they've read the book such that we don't have to 
worry about posting spoilers here?  As for me, I won't be logging on 
to any of the lists until I've read OoP cover-to-cover.  

Or should we try not to mention spoilers for a few weeks so that 
FAQers can continue to read this list, do you think?  

I suppose that we could adopt a prefix ("OoP" or "Spoiler") for use 
on this list, but then again, if the message in question concerns FAQ 
work or assignments, I guess we need for everyone to be able to read 
the message.

What do you think?

Cindy -- who has that funny feeling you get when there's probably a 
very obvious solution but you haven't found it





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Jun  5 17:45:37 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:45:37 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbnvk1+eriv@eGroups.com>

Firstly, Hi and welcome to all you newbies especially Jo!

I've really enjoyed reading all the bios and would love to read 
everybody elses (please!). I cannot believe how early Amanda gets 
up, and it took me a little while to realise that Debbie does not 
eat golden fish with her wine.

Anyway, here is my bio:

>Real name:

Ali Hewison
 
>Also known as:

Al
Alison
(I was too green to consider thinking up a Nom de Plume when I 
joined the list).

 >Age/Sex:

34/F

>Birthplace/Livingplace:

Walthamstow, London (It's at the end of the Victoria Line). 
Currently Reading, UK Been here for 13 years. Almost certainly being 
forced to relocate to Exeter in 2005.

>Family Life:

Married 11 years (well, in September) to Tim. Two kids -- 5 year old 
girl, Jessica, 3 year old girl, Emily (also known as monster). 
We also have 2 cats, a 12 year old half-Siamese called Spooky, and a 
9 year old half-Tonkinese called Poppy.

>Personality:

Ermm, Shy. I did actually come out as extrovert on the Myers-Briggs 
test, but I'm not sure how. My learning style is: Activist.
 
>Words friends have used to describe you:

Mad, "Rebel without a cause" (that was at school when I was in to 
organising homework strikes, and guilty of Hermione-type behaviour). 
Open, honest, kind, idealistic and loyal ? people do talk don't 
they? I apparently apologise too much and lack confidence. Various 
people this year have called me "Academic Ali" ? that was before I 
fluffed my exams!

 >Words you have used to describe you:

Lazy, caring, stupid, shy, nosey

 >Things you do when not staring at the computer:

For the past 2 years I've been doing a Post Graduate Diploma in HR, 
which has proved to be a mistake this year. I spend most of my time 
with kids or talking about them. I love gardening. I ate the first 
strawberry from my garden this morning, and it was yummy! Oh, and I 
occasionally talk to my poor long suffering hubby ? who I meet when 
I was 18, so young relationships *can* last.
 
>Comfort foods:

The humble potato. I love crisps (US:chips), chips (US: French 
fries), roast potatoes, roast new potatoes on garlic and rosemary. I 
also love Indian, Chinese, Thai and Italian food. Anything savoury 
really so long as it hasn't got any meat in it. On and of course 
chocolate and the good old cup of tea.
 
>Education/Work:

LLB Law ? In Britain, the most common way to enter the Legal 
Profession is by first studying it as a degree. I went travelling 
though instead of going to Law School.

I was a bank manager for 10 years and have a banking qualification 
which elected me to the Chartered Institute of Bankers. That got me 
a posh certificate and a very nice lunch, but not a lot else.

I haven't worked for 3 years since the birth of my second daughter. 
I did think I wanted to go into HR ? hence my Personnel course. I'm 
now thinking about becoming a junior school teacher. Basically, I'm 
still searching for the "right" direction. 

>Language skills

English. I did study Latin and Ancient Greek for A'Level. I can get 
by in French and went to evening classes for 3 years to learn 
Italian. I found the grammar and vocab easy, but I was too shy to 
speak, and my accent was hopeless.

>Technical know-how:

I'm another techno-squib, although I've got a very useful husband!


>Favourite HP book:

PoA. I'm hoping that will soon change though. 

>Favourite HP character(s):

I love Harry. This is followed closely by Lupin and Sirius. I've 
never quite managed to shake off Pippin's ESE!Lupin though. Snape 
also interests me, and for some reason I love the Dursleys.

 >Favourite HP line

 >Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

 Watching. I know they're not brilliant. I hate every single 
alteration and the end of CoS makes me want to throw up
 but, I do 
still love them. The son of a friend of mine is an extra in PoA, so 
I've enjoyed getting some insider information. I'm confident that 
PoA will be better. But, it's going to have to be a lot better 
before I'm truly happy.

I went to Gloucester Cathedral last week, so the latest picture of 
me is pretending to hear the Basilisk in the Cathedral Cloisters. I 
know I'm sad!

>Into HP fanfiction?

No, I'm waiting until I've read Book 7.

 >Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Captain Corelli's Mandolin, anything by Charles Dickens, books about 
Marcus Didius Falco, a Roman infomer by Lindsey Davis, and the 
trilogy by William Nicholson ? although I haven't read the 3rd one 
yet because I'm too mean!

 >Favorite TV shows?

Erm, not really watching that much at the moment. Really liked Cold 
Feet. 

>Favorite movies:

Shawshank Redemption and Gladiator. I hate violence, but shut my 
eyes during the bloody bits, and accept the violence as necessary to 
drive the plot.

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>say "lose weight."

Where do I start? There's a little phrase I try to tell 
myself "Accept the things you can not change, and change the things 
you cannot accept"

I suppose I do regret not qualifying as a lawyer, but I haven't got 
a Time-turner so I can't undo the past, and anyway travelling was 
brilliant. 


>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:

My husband, my kids (I'd like my little one to come out of 
monsterdom though). Oh yeah, and travelling. I think I've been to 35 
countries and would love to go to more. 

 >Philosophy for an easy life:

Will tell everyone when I've found it. See above for phrase I try to 
abide by.

 
>How you found HPfGU:

I was erm learning to use the Internet. I thought only strange 
people were in chatgroups, but by the time I found HPfGU, I had 
spent 3 years boring my friends rigid about Harry Potter. Finding 
HPfGU was like coming home ? strange people or not!

>Active at other HP sites:

I read Leaky Cauldron and have lurked a little on a couple of other 
sites, but this is the one!

 >Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Hagrid is toast.

 >Members of the fandom you have personally met:

Catherine
Eloise
Pip
Grey Wolf
Michelle
Alex
Dinah
Dave Witley
Neil Ward
John Walton (who can't remember meeting me, but he did give me some 
traditional Sherbet Lemons stuck in the paper bag, so I forgive him.
Joywitch Curmudgeon

I think I've meet a few more as well, but only briefly.
 
What do you think will happen at the end of Book 7? 

Harry will survive sans powers and have to return to the Muggle 
World. I might change my mind after Newsnight on 19th of June though.


Ali























From editor at texas.net  Thu Jun  5 20:07:00 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:07:00 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbnhtt+cdgo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbo7t4+nvn5@eGroups.com>

Pip does a mean striptease!

> Pipsqueak
> (name on my Equity card, for acting purposes)

Pip's an ACTOR! How cool is that? Who knew?

Okay....you knew I'd ask this...ever worked with
-Alan Rickman
-David Warner
-George Raistrick
-Bernard Lloyd
-John Dougall
-Christopher Ravenscroft?

> Watched, but spent a lot of time studying the acting techniques. 
> This is *not* the sign of a movie that's keeping me involved in the 
> story ;-)

LOL; I did this too! Mostly along the lines of "what is Alan Rickman 
actually *doing* that is conveying X impression." I did that during 
Private Lives, too, though, and it WAS involving. 

> > >Into HP fanfiction?
> 
> No, but may well be after Book 7. 

Soul sister.

> > >Favorite movies:
> 
> Muppet Christmas Carol. 

See "soul sister" above. I *love* this movie. I bet Michael Caine had 
a *blast*; I love his Scrooge. That "When Love Is Gone" scene 
*always* makes me cry.

Sorry, just got excited (and today, amazingly, is *slow* at work)

~Amanda






From editor at texas.net  Thu Jun  5 20:11:14 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:11:14 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbnndc+9e8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbo852+djga@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hey, all,
> 
> Is anyone able to look for the Dumbledore variant of Assassin!Snape 
> and edit the draft accordingly?  I'm a little pressed for time 
right 
> now.

Do you have message numbers of the stuff that needs working in? I can 
make a stab at it, although I'm not loaded with time either. If 
someone wants to take the lead, I can do a very good supporting 
role...

~Amanda (has anyone yelled for Porphyria, who was on top of the Snape 
thing at one time and who could provide a really good summary of 
where she stopped and what else she's thought of adding? She had a 
short list of new stuff to work in on the next incarnation)





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun  5 20:14:59 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (cindysphynx)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:14:59 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbo852+djga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c32b9f$23b402a0$0202a8c0@home7u2lvwxmqw>

Thanks, Amanda!
 
I know that Porphyria is moving right now and tied up with phone
hook-ups, deposits, movers and the like.  If she pops in and wants to
help, that would be above and beyond the call of duty.
 
As for message numbers, if you just go to a few of the message numbers I
cited in the draft, you should find the Dumbledore variant.  And really,
it needn't be more than an additional paragraph or two.
 
Cindy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda [mailto:editor at texas.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:11 PM
To: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Assassin!Snape for HA
 
--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Hey, all,
> 
> Is anyone able to look for the Dumbledore variant of Assassin!Snape 
> and edit the draft accordingly?  I'm a little pressed for time 
right 
> now.

Do you have message numbers of the stuff that needs working in? I can 
make a stab at it, although I'm not loaded with time either. If 
someone wants to take the lead, I can do a very good supporting 
role...

~Amanda (has anyone yelled for Porphyria, who was on top of the Snape 
thing at one time and who could provide a really good summary of 
where she stopped and what else she's thought of adding? She had a 
short list of new stuff to work in on the next incarnation)






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From dicentra at xmission.com  Thu Jun  5 21:42:54 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:42:54 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <000d01c32b9f$23b402a0$0202a8c0@home7u2lvwxmqw>
Message-ID: <bbodgu+u35d@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, cindysphynx <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

>  
> As for message numbers, if you just go to a few of the message numbers I
> cited in the draft, you should find the Dumbledore variant.  And really,
> it needn't be more than an additional paragraph or two.
>  
CHOP was coined in message 47103, if that helps.

--Dicey




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Thu Jun  5 22:49:05 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:49:05 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbo7t4+nvn5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbohd1+frfi@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda" <editor at t...> wrote:
> Pip does a mean striptease!
> 
> > Pipsqueak
> > (name on my Equity card, for acting purposes)
> 
> Pip's an ACTOR! How cool is that? Who knew?
> 
> Okay....you knew I'd ask this...ever worked with
> -Alan Rickman
> -David Warner
> -George Raistrick
> -Bernard Lloyd
> -John Dougall
> -Christopher Ravenscroft?

Alas, no. I can claim (in no particular order) Simon Callow, Gary 
Oldman (in the days when he was still doing rep. theatre), Art 
Malik, Tara Fitzgerald, John Thaw; and my HP film claim to fame is 
that I went up for one of the talking portraits in PS/SS. Alas, I 
did not get the part. ::shrug::

<Snip>

> > > >Favorite movies:
> > 
> > Muppet Christmas Carol. 
> 
> See "soul sister" above. I *love* this movie. I bet Michael Caine  
> had a *blast*; I love his Scrooge. That "When Love Is Gone" scene 
> *always* makes me cry.

One of my favourite Michael Caine stories is when an interviewer 
said: "So, this Muppet Christmas Carol. It's a musical, right? Can 
you sing?

To which Mr Caine replied: "No. But do you think Scrooge could sing?"

Pip




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 02:07:45 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 02:07:45 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbl3k5+jdso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbot1h+581q@eGroups.com>

charisjulia wrote:

> Melody: I could understand the Bible in the original Greek 
> no problem waaaay before I started high school. (not that I ever 
> really exercise this skill, to be perfectly honest) It's when you 
> enter the 5th century BC that things really start getting tough for 
> a native speaker. 


You know.  When I first started the language, and it was still rough
waters to wrap my head around it, I kept thinking of those two year
old ancient Greek boys that ran around talking in it.  I kept thinking
of the five year old little girls in Greek "kindergarden" that were
learning precisely what I was trying to do.  I kept think, "if *they*
could do it, so then I can."  I mean, it is not like the language is
impossible.  

I was told that modern Greek is quite different from ancient Greek. 
Kind of like Old English is tough for us now.  Glad to know it is not
that different, and you can still follow it.  Could I follow you if
you wrote in Greek to me even though all I have studied is the ancient
version?

Oh and we read Plato's apology in Greek.  That was fun, but then
again, I like Plato.


Melody




From eloiseherisson at aol.com  Fri Jun  6 09:09:30 2003
From: eloiseherisson at aol.com (eloiseherisson at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 05:09:30 EDT
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
Message-ID: <16.30f03db8.2c11b44a@aol.com>

Sorry. I'm not being anti-social,  just busy.
> 
> >Real name:

Elizabeth Blanning

> 
> >Also known as:

Eloise
Ed, to those who don't know what's good for them.

> 
> >Age/Sex:

46. Four children, so come to your own conclusions.

> 
> >Birthplace/Livingplace:

Born: Sale, Cheshire, England. Moved to Renfrewshire, Scotland at age of 8, 
back to Chester at 13 and to Kent at 18. Earlier adult years in London. Spent 
three and a half years in Tokyo. Now resident in Kent with no intention of 
leaving.

> 
> >Family Life:

Married for ages.
Boy, 13, Girls, 11, 10, 7.
No parents. No siblings. No family in the vicinity.
Hamsters, aged guinea pig, horse.

> >Personality:

Somewhat lacking. At least in person.
According to Myers briggs, I'm INFP, if I did it right,that is.

Actually, although I don't believe in such things at all, I once looked 
myself up on a site which gives personality traits according to numerological name 
analysis. 

http://www.kabalarians.com/ghk/your.htm

The entries for both Elizabeth and Eloise are, on the whole, spookily 
accurate (not the health notes) 

> 
> >Words friends have used to describe you:

I've never liked to ask.

> 
> >Words you have used to describe you:

Lazy, disorganised, untidy, well-intentioned, antisocial, religious, 
agnostic, conflicted, insecure, tolerant, selfish, impatient, painstaking, irritable.

> 
> >Things you do when not staring at the computer:

Waste time in other ways. And ride a bit (trans: horseback riding). And 
tranrt children. Actually I do three hours of school runs a day.



> >Comfort foods:

I hadn't thought of this until soemone else wrote it, but tea.

> 
> >Education/Work:

Eternal student!
Graduated in Music from London University, through stubbornness, rather than 
talent. should never have done it, but there you are.

Did PGCE (teaching certificate) at Jesus College, Cambridge. Hopeless at 
teaching but a jolly good year (Not least because I was one of only 5 women in the 
college. Shame it was only the men I *wasn't* interested in who asked me 
out!).

Worked as a nursing auxiliary at St Christopher's Hospice for a year or so to 
sort myself out. Applied to train for ordained ministry. Rejected, so God 
must exist, as otherwise I'd now be yet another priest who didn't believe in Him. 


Went on to train as registered nurse at University College Hospital, London. 
Ended up specialising in Ophthalmology. My favourite job ever was working in 
the casualty at Moorfields Eye Hospital. After that I became a Health Visitor 
(sort of public health nurse). Sociable hours, but burgeoning paperwork. Left 
to have children.

Now I'm doing what I'd always really wanted to do and studying archaeology. 
I'm a (very) part time student at the University of Kent, doing a modular 
degree over 6 years. I've passed the Certificate level and am working for the 
Diploma at present (although surrently taking a break until September). No, there 
isn't any practical work involved. But I spent 2-3 days/week working on a huge 
and very important dig in Canterbury the summer term before last and I'm 
intending to spend a week digging a Roman villa site in August.

I'd like to do post-grad eventually. Once I sort out my motivational 
problems!

> 
> >Language skills

What Language skills?
I'm English!
I can talk slowly and loudly, if I have to.

I have a little French, which I insisted on using at Disneyland Paris, 
because I was so disgusted with my compatriots who wouldn't try. And they were very 
nice about it. Must have been the American training in customer relations, I 
think.
Even less German, gleaned from Lieder, mostly.
I did a couple of terms of Japanese. Don't ask.
I did Latin to 'A' level, although I've forgotten most of it and have a 
little Greek vocabulary, though less grammar.
I'm not a linguist. It's the confidence thing. Don't like to speak! But I 
love *words* and their meanings

> 
> >Technical know-how:

Zero

> 
> >Favourite HP book:

POA

> 
> >Favourite HP character(s):

You have to *ask*?

> 
> 

> 
> 
> >Favourite HP line

" - you'll still have your Potions master when I've finished with him, never 
fear!"

> 
> 
> 
> >Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

have seen both a couple of times. Have video of PS and DVD of CoS. Haven't 
watched latter. Hoped there'd be some extra Snape, but there wasn't.
> 
> >Into HP fanfiction?

No, though I have nothing against it.
> 
> >Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:



Tough. I don't know that there's much I'd recommend just about anyone.

I like Jane Austen, Hardy, Charlotte Bronte, E.M. Forster, Wilkie Collins, 
Ruth Rendell (especially writing as Barbara Vine), Dorothy L. Sayers, Margery 
Allingham's "Campion" books, Mary Wesley. I love Daphne du Maurier's _Rebecca_ 
and it's recent spin off by Sally Beauman, _Anna Karenina_.

I like lots of supposedly children's stuff, especially Lewis Carrol, 
A.A.Milne, Kenneth Graham 

Actually (Cindy, this one's for you) I was gripped by Nathaniel Philbrick's 
_In the heart of the Sea_ which is the true story of the whaling tragedy that 
inspired_Moby Dick_ , and the amazing survival of a small group of men in open 
boats.

> 
> >Favorite TV shows?


Don't seem to see a lot at present.
I like certain types of British comedy - The Fast Show, Harry Enfield, Dead 
Ringers (patchy), also The Office, League of Gentlemen. Plus the classics: 
Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, the sort of stuff that's standard British fare on 
transatlantic flights. Can't stand Mr Bean, though.

I like some quiz shows, British classic serialisations; (pause for a Mr Darcy 
moment); mystery/detective series; some historical costume dramas, depending 
who's in the costumes - Sharpe, Hornblower....bit of a trend developing 
there...
History/archaeology documentaries, of course (we have a lot of those!)

I listen to quite a lot of radio, though. BBC Radio 4 for factual stuff and 
dramas, etc, Racio 3 for classics (music). There's loads of good Radio 4 
programmes archived on the web, BTW.

> 
> >Favorite movies:

The English Patient; Cabaret; Amadeus.

> 
> >One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
> >say "lose weight."

Probably to be less shy.
Or perhaps more instinctively tidy.
Or less Snape-like with my family......
> 
> >One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
> >copy of Book 7:

Having made some great friends here.

> 
> >Philosophy for an easy life:

Don't have one. I'm too Kantian in my beliefs. I may *take* the easy way on 
many occasions, but I *believe* in choosing what is right over what is easy.
If you said philosophy for a contented life, that would be another matter.

That involves accepting the situations you find yourself in, working with 
them not against them; similarly, accepting the people you find yourself with, 
looking for the good within them and making allowance for their faults and 
finally accepting yourself, recognising your own flaws but also your own strengths. 


Looking for the good in all things, whilst still being realistic, I suppose.

> 
> >How you found HPfGU:

I, err, wanted to know if anyone else had this inexplicable Snape obsession. 
;-)

> 
> >Active at other HP sites:

No. 

> 
> >Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

I'm not really into predictions of that kind. I'm waiting to be surprised.
> 
> 
> >Members of the fandom you have personally met:


Ali
Catherine
David
Joywitch
Pip

There are some others whom I *feel* like I've met, though.

> 
> >Add a question of your choosing and answer it:

Why am I doing this?

Because I really don't want to get on with tidying the house!

> <Something you'd do over if you had the chance:>

Lots of things, many of which I'm not prepared to share in public!
I wish I'd studied archaeology as an undergrad.

~Eloise


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From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jun  6 10:11:44 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:11:44 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape for HA
In-Reply-To: <bbnndc+9e8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbppd0+n0fk@eGroups.com>

My bio seems to have stimulated a bit of interest:

Phyllis asked:

> Where are you in Arlington?  The place looks different every time I 
> go back for a visit - much more upscale and swanky now than when I 
> lived there.  And the housing prices go up about $100,000 each 
visit 
> as well!
> 
I'm in South Arlington, halfway between Arlington Ridge Road and 
Crystal City.  For the rest of you for whom that information is 
meaningless, it's about a mile south of the Pentagon.  And while the 
value of my house goes ever upward, the values of the houses I'd 
consider moving up to go up even faster, so I'm staying put.


> OK, now my turn - my mother's from Bayonne, NJ - were you raised 
near 
> there?
> 
No, I lived farther north but my mom lived nearby in Weehawken as a 
child

Penny, on the irresistable combination of goldfish and white wine:

>LOL!  Glad to know that combo stimulated my brain cells for a nano-
>second
 
Now that I'm revealing all my deep secrets, I'll confess that I 
discovered the combination late one evening when I got stuck for a 
phrase while writing a HPFGU post and went looking for a snack to go 
with the wine.  It worked, as I found my phrase.

> Cindy -- enjoying all of the bios tremendously and chuckling 
because, 
> for one brief moment, she couldn't understand why Debbie and Penny 
> enjoy eating wriggling goldfish straight from the aquarium

What?  You wouldn't find that *comforting*?

Debbie
wondering if she left the wrong impression by including alcohol on 
her list of comfort foods






From krisangelo at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 14:04:56 2003
From: krisangelo at hotmail.com (charisjulia)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:04:56 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbot1h+581q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbq729+rull@eGroups.com>

Are we allowed to wander off into subjects unrelated to the FAQs on 
this list? I suspect not. Looking at this post now it rather seems as 
if it ought to belong to the OT-Chatter. . . Anyway, Melody asked, so 
I'm answering:

>You know. When I first started the language, and it was still rough
>waters to wrap my head around it, I kept thinking of those two year
>old ancient Greek boys that ran around talking in it. I kept thinking
>of the five year old little girls in Greek "kindergarden" that were
>learning precisely what I was trying to do. I kept think, "if *they*
>could do it, so then I can." I mean, it is not like the language is
>impossible.

LOL! That reminds me of a Greek politician who once went to China and 
on his return was asked by a reporter what impressed him there the 
most. "The Chinese children", he replied. "Such little kids speaking 
a language as difficult as Chinese" As the Greeks say: "*Doooo*ing!!"

>I was told that modern Greek is quite different from ancient Greek. 
>Kind of like Old English is tough for us now. Glad to know it is not
>that different, and you can still follow it. 

Hm, yeah, except that ancient Greek appeared about a millennia or two 
before one can start talking about English. <eg>

Yes, ancient Greek is considerably different from the modern version, 
but they are still obviously the same language. Modern Greek is 
simply the Ancient Greek 2500 years further on. Of course, like I 
said in my other post, it depends on what you mean by Ancient Greek. 
I couldn't understand Homer without a dictionary, no, the tragedies 
are also tough (this is poetical language after all), but the Bible 
is easy peasy, Plato's ok, Aristotle is so simplistic he's boring. 
You've got to keep in mind that all these texts where written at 
different periods, with different intentions in the mind of the 
author and were addressed to different kinds of audience.

And then, well, it all depends what you mean by "modern" Greek as 
well. I'd have to delve into modern Greek history to really get you 
to understand this, but to make a long story short: there are roughly 
two "modern" forms of the language: "demotic" (eg. Of the "demos", 
the people) Greek, which is what's spoken in Greece nowadays, 
and "katharevousa" (the word comes from "katharos" meaning "clean"). 
Katherevoura is much closer to the original, "pure", "real" language 
of the ancients. It was really in many ways an academic construction 
which appeared at around the end of the 18th century as a reaction to 
the, err, sullied language spoken by Greek peasants. This movement 
caught on big time after the Greek revolution (1821), as the Greeks 
set about trying to find their national identity and therefore turned 
to Our Ancient Ancestors, while violently rejected anything Turkish 
that reminded them of the Ottoman rule.

So you got a real battle between "demotikistes" 
and "katharevousianoi" raging throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. 
What language was being taught in the schools largely depended on 
what government was in power. Finally the matter came to an end after 
the fall of the junta in 1974: Demotic has been the official language 
of the country ever since.

BUT: the influences of katharevousa are still very much present. For 
example one or two of my law books at University are still in 
katharevousa (mainly because nobody's bothered to translate them) We 
also studied texts in katharevousa at school: one of Greece's most 
acclaimed (and boring, not to mention maniac depressive) authors, 
Papadiamantis, wrote in katharevousa. The Constitution was only 
translated in the late 80s and the Orthodox Church still uses all the 
original Greek texts of course.

So, yeah, connections with older forms of the language are still 
there. A friend of my mother's is an interpreter in the European 
Parliament and I went to visit her up in Brussels a couple of weeks 
ago and we got to talking about languages and she mentioned how her 
colleagues who interpret from Greek where utterly bemused and 
helpless when a Greek MEP gave a speech,  numbered his points and 
used the Ancient Greek names for the numbers. Apparently the 
interpreters where severely ticked off called the MP a uncooperative 
show?off. But using old-fashioned phrases and words is very common in 
Greece esp. when giving official speeches. From my point of view, it 
was without a question the interpreters who weren't living up to the 
expectations of their profession.


>Could I follow you if
>you wrote in Greek to me even though all I have studied is the 
ancient
>version?

Probably not. I don't think it works that way around. In WW2 the 
British chose Oxbridge men who had studied Ancient Greek to be 
stationed in Greece with the idea that they would be able to 
communicate with the local population. LOL. Fat chance! First of all, 
the pronunciation is completely different. I do kinda have an idea of 
what Erasmian Greek sounds like from talking with German friends of 
mine, but no, I'd even speak Ancient Greek the modern Greek way. And 
the grammar has changed a lot too (e.g. there's no Dative in demotic 
Greek. But again every school child knows what the Dative is and how 
to form it.) and, needless to say, so has vocabulary. There was, for 
example, a notable lack of words meaning "CDRom", "lollipop" 
or "trousers" in Ancient Greek. <g> 

I think however, that having study Ancient Greek you would find it * 
much* easier to learn modern Greek should the fancy ever strike you. 
In fact, I don't think it's really possible to learn fluent demotic 
without studying at least the basics of Ancient Greek. My mother 
certainly had to.

Now, that was more information than you bargained for, wasn't it? Ah, 
well. . .

Charis Julia, noting that the Greek for `It's all Greek to me" 
is "it's all Chinese to me" and wondering what the Chinese say.





From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 14:08:30 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:08:30 -0000
Subject: It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
In-Reply-To: <bbj8re+m6e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbq78u+ruo7@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> We need to get some more fellas in here!  You know -- keep things 
> interesting.  Where *are* the men-folk, anyway?

What about Grey Wolf and Steve (bboy_mn)?  I think Grey Wolf's been 
busy with school, but perhaps he could help us out in the summer when 
he's on break (when we'll be inundated with post-OoP posts).

Just some ideas.

~Phyllis
who would be happy to lend Ali her copy of "Firesong," and who thinks 
we should have a goldfish* and white wine party at Nimbus

*The crackers, not the ones with fins!  The pretzel ones are my 
favorite...




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 17:53:19 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:53:19 -0000
Subject: OoP Spoilers on FAQ
In-Reply-To: <bbnqtf+ri8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbqkef+s2v3@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Maybe we should all try not to mention spoilers of any kind here 
> before June 21?  

I second that idea - I've been trying to avoid the spoilers!

Cindy again:
 
> Shall we assume that no one will log on here until they've read the 
> book such that we don't have to worry about posting spoilers here?  

This sounds like the best option to me since presumably a lot of the 
workload post-OoP will involve posts that discuss OoP.  However, I'm 
fortunate to be able to obtain the book on June 21, so I would defer 
to those who have to wait for their copy.  

~Phyllis




From oppen at mycns.net  Fri Jun  6 17:57:27 2003
From: oppen at mycns.net (Eric Oppen)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:57:27 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
References: <bbq78u+ruo7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005801c32c55$189276c0$73560043@hppav>




  Cindy wrote:

  > We need to get some more fellas in here!  You know -- keep things 
  > interesting.  Where *are* the men-folk, anyway?

  You've got me...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  6 20:25:04 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:25:04 -0000
Subject: It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
In-Reply-To: <005801c32c55$189276c0$73560043@hppav>
Message-ID: <bbqtb0+u6s9@eGroups.com>

Welcome, Eric!

~Phyllis




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 02:20:19 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:20:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: It's Raining Men!  *NOT!*
In-Reply-To: <005801c32c55$189276c0$73560043@hppav>
Message-ID: <20030607022019.26622.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>

Eric, falling from the sky, wrote:

>   You've got me...

The best way to recruit men:  tell 'em there's no one
in here but women.

Good to see you, Eric!

Amy
who is now making herself even more scarce b/c she's
allergic to spoilers...I think I need to stitch
together the bits of Lupin Elkins compiled, send it
in, and let y'all take over

=====
The place to be after OoP
http://www.hp2003.org/

__________________________________
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From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  7 03:55:48 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 03:55:48 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbq729+rull@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbrno5+83u5@eGroups.com>

It's a real pleasure to be here! I'm a bit behind the rest of you, 
so I've been trying to catch up today. It's been great learning so 
much about y'all, and so now here's the low-down on me:

>Real name:
Thomas Michael Wall
Yeah, I wasn't too creative with the pseudonym-stuff when I joined.

>Also known as:
Tom
Tommy Boy
Philo

>Age/Sex:
25/M

>Birthplace/Livingplace:
I was born in Norwood, Massachusetts, and grew up in a little suburb 
of New Bedford, MA (of 'Moby Dick' fame) called Acushnet. Acushnet's 
big claim to fame is that Titleist, apparently the world's premiere 
golfball manufacturer, is based there. I now live in Queens, New 
York.

>Family Life:
Single, with commitment issues. I'm lucky to have two great and 
supportive parents, and a younger brother and sister that I like a 
lot more now that I (and they) are older. And close friends 
definitely register more as family than as friends.

>Personality:
I have no idea what I'd be on Myers-Briggs. I tend to ask a lot of 
questions, and am fairly good-natured. I dwell on things in my head 
(or out loud, to the dismay of many) until I'm either satisfied or 
bored. I like to have a favorite poem memorized. Currently, 
that's `Jabberwocky.' I *love* to brainstorm and generate ideas, 
even if they never get used, and teamwork is incredibly fulfilling. 
I have a LOT of trouble dropping projects before they're completed. 
I've got no sense of punctuality, haven't worn a watch in over a 
decade, and tend to procrastinate heavily, unless it's something 
that I really care about and in which I'm interested.

>Words friends have used to describe you:
Talkative, inquisitive, stubborn, generous, chronically-late, care-
free, procrastinator, and playful.

>Words you have used to describe you:
Gregarious, procrastinator, gullible, curious, night-owl, open-
minded, loyal.

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:
I used to play the tuba and was a bona-fide band-geek for eight 
years, but since brass instruments are so expensive (and I don't own 
a tuba,) I don't get to play anymore. Love to read, hence a previous 
nickname: `Booky-boy Tom,' which I disdained, for reasons I'm not 
clear on myself. I also love to write, and carry a small notebook 
with me everywhere. I walk everywhere, and love to explore cities 
and parklands - one of the greatest feelings is when I can finally 
visualize the world above the subway stops. Prefer a good card game 
to TV or the bar. I have been known to consort with Mary-Jane and 
listen to Phish from time to time. ;-) And I make a point of going 
to the movies at least once every two weeks. Latest: Finding Nemo, 
which was fantastic! "The sea-monkey stole my lunch-money." 
Priceless.

>Comfort foods:
Greek food, Goldfish (the crackers,) Cheez-Its (crackers again,) 
falafel, carrots (which I've recently learned can be habit-forming) 
and vanilla ice-cream. Oh, and mashed potatoes with gravy. *Love* 
that.

>Education/Work:
Double B.A. in Philosophy and the Classics from Boston University. 
Normally I'd just say `B.U.,' but apparently there are lots of those 
out there. Very frustrating to tell someone I went to `B.U.' and 
get, in reply, "Baylor?" No. Not Baylor. ;-)

>Language skills
English. High-school Latin. And despite four tedious semesters, 
practically no retained knowledge of Ancient Greek, which means that 
I'm in absolute awe of Melody and Charis Julia. New Testament? Oh 
man, that was horrifying!

I also tried to take Intro to Spanish in college, because I think 
Spanish is a beautiful language, but the professor didn't speak any 
English. Intro to Spanish. Intro, people, intro! Even the book was 
totally in Spanish. And to boot, there were people in the class who 
already spoke Spanish. Good grief, I felt so dumb there, and dropped 
it after a week. Never looked back.

>Technical know-how:
Old school HTML, and I never bothered to learn any of those new-
fangled programs like Dreamweaver. Some SQL and PLSQL.

>Favourite HP book:
GoF, definitely. I can reread `The First Task' over and over and 
over again ? the descriptions of the Hungarian Horntail are so 
delightfully vivid, and the scene has so much tension it's 
overpowering.

>Favourite HP character(s):
Trelawney makes me laugh out loud. I'm intrigued by Snape. But I'd 
have to say Dumbledore (despite my desire to see what happens when 
he's dead,) with Lupin at a *very* close second. Oh, and as a 
redhead, I'm definitely partial to the Weasley clan, although no one 
Weasley in particular.

>Favourite HP line:
After they sing the school song in PS/SS:
"Ah, music," he said, wiping his eyes. "A magic beyond all we do 
here!" So true. That really resonates with me.

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:
Watching, and scrutinizing too much for my own good. Lucius 
definitely is saying `Avada' at the end of CoS after Harry frees 
Dobby. Ergh! It was infuriating... why invent when the story's so 
compelling already? After seeing `Y Tu Mama Tambien,' I'm confident 
that Cuaron's going to do PoA justice.

>Into HP fanfiction?
Not really ? I think it's fascinating, but it's just not my cup of 
tea. Like some of you, maybe I'll check it out after book seven.

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:
My all-time favorite book is `The Phantom Tollbooth' by Norton 
Juster. It's full of so much wisdom and insight that I've read it at 
least once a year since the fourth grade. Highly recommended.

I loved `White Teeth' by Zadie Smith, and `One Hundred Years of 
Solitude' by Gabriel Garcia Marquez blew my socks off. `The Grapes 
of Wrath,' `The Foundation Series,' by Isaac Asimov; Stephen 
King's `The Stand;' `Catch-22,' and `A Prayer for Owen Meany' by 
John Irving would also be on my list. `The Screwtape Letters,' by 
C.S. Lewis totally warped me for a few days. And almost all 
childhood favorites, from the Narnia Chronicles to vintage Roald 
Dahl register highly.

>Favorite TV shows?
The Simpsons, Frasier, and reruns of Seinfeld.

>Favorite movies:
Oooh, `Babe' is my favorite movie, hands down. "That'll do, pig. 
That'll do." I start bawling uncontrollably there every time.

Other favorites are `The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly,' `The 
Shawshank Redemption,' `The Bridge Over the River Kwai,' `The Lord 
of the Rings' films, `What About Bob?' (Bill Murray is too funny to 
be allowed,) `Election,' and `Waiting for Guffman.'

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
>say "lose weight."
I would not have started smoking. At first, honestly, having a 
cigarette was both pleasant and relaxing. Now it's a nuisance, and I 
feel like a leper in public, especially since smoking indoors in 
public places is not allowed anymore in New York.

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
>copy of Book 7:
Okay, this is a plural-singular: the people I love. I wouldn't have 
the heart to change any of their eccentricities and flaws.
 
>Philosophy for an easy life:
Um, I'm terrible at mantras and stuff like that, and tend to reject 
one-line solutions as boring. However, one of the most compelling 
thoughts on life, happiness, and self-worth that I've heard recently 
was from the movie `Adaptation:' "You are what you love, not what 
loves you." Excellent. Really meaningful.

>How you found HPfGU:
Well, I got my mother into the HP novels, and she loved them 
immensely. Like that's a surprise. ;-) But, she was always 
complaining about how much vocabulary there was, and how many 
characters there were. She said she just couldn't keep up, and as a 
result, she had to keep going back to look things up.

So, I made her a lexicon for Christmas (without knowing that there 
already *was* one online, which would have made things easier, yet 
also would have seemed like cheating to me) and about halfway 
through, I found Steve's HP Lexicon. When I was done with the whole 
project, which entailed reading all four books twice, back to back, 
my head was abuzz with theories and ideas. So I went back to the 
Lexicon and starting putzing around, followed a few links, and voila!

>Active at other HP sites:
I sincerely tried, but they were infested with twelve year olds. 
It's really hard to get a point across to a twelve year old. HPfGU 
is definitely the best one out there.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
I'm terrified for Hagrid.

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:
None, yet. Although Jim tells me that the NYC group is fairly active.

>Add a question of your choosing and answer it:
Wow, this question is harder than I thought. Um, what's your most 
embarrassing moment? When I was a Jr. Leader in Boy Scouts, at 
summer camp, some of my wonderful young charges decided it'd be 
hilarious to fly my underwear (which were white briefs at the time) 
up the camp's central flagpole before morning assembly because I 
made them hit the sack earlier than they wanted. Of course, no 
underwear-flying episode would be complete without writing my name 
on it first. <shudder>

<Something you'd do over if you had the chance:>
I would have signed up for the Peace Corps. Not that I still can't, 
just that I probably won't now.

This is great, you guys. I've learning about all of you, too! Hope 
everyone's doing well out there.

-Tom





From jmmears at comcast.net  Sat Jun  7 04:40:02 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 04:40:02 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbnvk1+eriv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbrqb2+1034q@eGroups.com>



Thanks for the kind welcome ::waves to Ali::

I've really enjoyed everyone else's bio, so I guess it's my turn.
Here goes:
 
> >Real name:
  Joann Mears

>  
> >Also known as:
Jo Serenadust
MOM!!!

>  >Age/Sex:

40something/F

> >Birthplace/Livingplace:

Pittsburgh,PA until age 5, moved to Orlando, Fl (before it became a 
theme-park) and lived there until age 18. For the past 22 years, 
I've been in Mongomery Co. MD (Washington DC suburb), except for a 
two-year period when we lived in Hampshire in the UK.

> >Family Life:

Married 20 years, 1 14 year-old daughter and 1 13 year-old son.  Two 
half-Siamese cats; one male, one female

> >Personality:

Good grief...I don't know.  Let's say I'm the sort of woman who 
feels very proud and smug to have purchased all the Christmas gifts 
for her children's teachers at bargain prices in July, only to be 
tearing the house apart in December because she can't remember where 
she carefully put them away.

> >Words friends have used to describe you:

Let's see.  Smart, disorganized, can't remember anything else.  Oh, 
my dad once called me an anarchist because as a child I apparently 
had a gift for starting off family arguments, and sitting back to 
watch the fun.
> 
>  >Words you have used to describe you:

Sleep-deprived, messy, lazy about things that don't interest me, 
relentless about things I really want.

 
>  >Things you do when not staring at the computer:

I drive children from place to place for several hours each day 
beginning at 6:50 am and ending at 6:30 pm (except for the days when 
it's 8:30 pm). I'm also an avid antique junkie specializing in 19th 
century blue & white china, commonly called flow blue.  We've had to 
build in bookshelves to house the overload.
  
> >Comfort foods:

Pizza, crabcakes, chocolate, marzipan, red wine, and pistachios 
(sorry, Abigail)


> >Education/Work:

BA in Political Science with minor in Journalism
MBA, Finance

First job was working at Disney on college breaks (like every other 
kid in Orlando).  Worked for the state as a case worker 
administering the AFDC and Food Stamp programs, then completed my 
MBA and went to work in Finance for a large, multi-national 
corporation. I left that job to go and live in England, and haven't 
gotten around to finding another one yet.

> >Language skills

American English, a fair amount of British English, and a sadly 
limited amount of the Spanish I used to be so good at in school.


> >Technical know-how:

Put it this way; I'm still trying to master "cut and paste"
 
> >Favourite HP book:

Goblet of Fire which I fully expect to be replaced by OoP
 
> >Favourite HP character(s):

It's all about Harry for me, followed by Ron, Hermione, the 
remaining Weasleys, Lupin & Black.
 
>  >Favourite HP line

"The air was soon thick with flying gnomes."
(That line amuses me every time I read it)
> 
>  >Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:

Watching and wishing that they were better than they are, while 
realizing they're not as bad as they could be.  I do think they've 
done a good job on the "look" and atmosphere, but I think they've 
screwed up the characterizations of the trio.  I'm hopeful about PoA 
under Cuaron, and just wish they'd get a new screenwriter, too.


> 
> >Into HP fanfiction?

Not anymore.
> 
>  >Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:

Too many to list them all.

Nonfiction:  Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, John Berendt
             Personal History, Katherine Graham
             The Moral Intelligence of Children, Robert Coles

Fiction:     All of Jane Austen, most of Joanna Trollope, the Mapp 
and Lucia books by E.F Benson, both Ya-Ya books by Rebecca Wells, 
and most of Eudora Welty 

> 
>  >Favorite TV shows?

No time to watch much.  I've loved the Simpsons for more than a 
decade, and I try not to miss Law & Order.  I can never remember 
when anything else is on.


> >Favorite movies:

I liked Chicago, Sense & Sensability, The Commitments, and can watch 
Groundhog Day over and over, and still think it's funny.
 
> >One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may
not 
> >say "lose weight."

Ok then, I wish I'd learned to *like* exercising at an early age.

> >One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
> >copy of Book 7:

Apart from my immediate family, I'd have to say having lived in the 
UK for two years.  Even though I went kicking and screaming and wept 
daily for months after getting there, it turned out to have been an 
invaluable life experience.


>  >Philosophy for an easy life:

::Snorts, derisively:: I don't suppose a lobotomy qualifies as a 
philosophy, so I'd have to say: Don't sweat the small stuff.
> 
>  
> >How you found HPfGU:

Like so many others, I was looking for information on when book 5 
would be out in 2001 (I actually expected it to be that year!).  Up 
till that point, my only internet experience was bidding on Ebay.

> 
> >Active at other HP sites:

Nope.

>  >Your most rock solid OoP prediction:

Hermione's capture of Rita Skeeter is going to have some highly 
unpleasant consequenses.

> 
>  >Members of the fandom you have personally met:

None at all, but I'm hoping that will change soon.

>  
> What do you think will happen at the end of Book 7? 

I think that I will burst into wild tears at the thought that there 
will never be another HP book to anticipate.  Then I will re-read 
all of them in order.

Jo Serenadust






From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  7 14:45:17 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:45:17 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbrno5+83u5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbstpt+ksah@eGroups.com>

Tom wrote: 
> >Things you do when not staring at the computer:
> I used to play the tuba and was a bona-fide band-geek for eight 
> years, but since brass instruments are so expensive (and I don't own 
> a tuba,) I don't get to play anymore. 

You played tuba?  Oh, how cool were you.  I played percussion for
seven years in middle and high school and in the marching band in
college for four.  My best friend in high school, a very stubborn
girl, played tuba.  Married a tuba player.  Both were in the marching
band at Texas Tech.  So, cool.  Anyway....

 
> >Education/Work:
> Double B.A. in Philosophy and the Classics from Boston University. 
> Normally I'd just say `B.U.,' but apparently there are lots of those 
> out there. Very frustrating to tell someone I went to `B.U.' and 
> get, in reply, "Baylor?" No. Not Baylor. ;-)

Hey!  Now, now.  Baylor is a wonderful school.  So wonderful, that I
went there for four years then graduated.  :D  

Huh.  I left that out in my bio.  Sorry about that.  But I adored my
college and the campus.  Walked its pathways (and rollerbladed. 
learned to jump stairs on them there too).  I was the statistical
Texas Baptist going to Baylor, but I did not go to there for that
reason.  

Oh and I learned how to cheer for a lossing team too.  The poor band
had to go everywhere with the football team and find ways to cheer for
things like "no more fumbles" or "run the other way".  :)  My favorite
football game was when we played Notre Dame.  We called it the
Reformation Bowl.  Seems God is not as Catholic this time.  Last time
we lost like 63 to 3.  This time it was more 43 to 12.  Hehe.  Had a
blast though.  God love our poor Baylor bear football team.  We just
helped everyone win.  

 
> >Favourite HP book:
> GoF, definitely. I can reread `The First Task' over and over and 
> over again ? the descriptions of the Hungarian Horntail are so 
> delightfully vivid, and the scene has so much tension it's 
> overpowering.

To this I completely agree.  The tension and writing in that chapter
is so well done it still gives me chills every time.  That arc of
story is magnificent.  Good call.


Melody




From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 06:18:29 2003
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (kippesp)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:18:29 -0000
Subject: checking in
Message-ID: <bbukfl+b7q6@eGroups.com>

I'll work on building a new speadsheet to upload soon.

The 2 archive groups have run out of space.  Could someone with 
hal_the_mod abilities create a new one?  I think we should also 
rename the existing ones so it isn't confusing.  (Archives1 isn't 
the first one, but the 2nd one.)

I don't expect bandwidth to be much of an issue.  But storage space 
could be.

Paul




From kippesp at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  8 15:47:19 2003
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (kippesp)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:47:19 -0000
Subject: checking in
In-Reply-To: <bbukfl+b7q6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bbvlq7+urq5@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" <kippesp at y...> wrote:
Ignore the portion of my post regarding bandwidth and storage.  I 
was going to say something about an alternative to YGroups, but I 
think the 20 MB YGroups give us is workable. 





From joyw at gwu.edu  Sun Jun  8 19:38:30 2003
From: joyw at gwu.edu (- Joy -)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:38:30 -0400
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
References: <1054722771.650.45394.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <274d01c32df5$8a8a4220$6401000a@Joy>

Oooh, I love these things.  Here's mine!

>Real name:
Joy Levin Welan


>Also known as:
Joyful
~Joy~
The Other Joy
Joysie Elf
Help Desk Diva

>Age/Sex:
19/F (yes, I'm the young'n)

>Birthplace/Livingplace:
Born at Georgetown University Hospital in DC. During the school year, live
in the Foggy Bottom neighborhood of DC, while I go to George Washington
University, which everyone always gets confused with Georgetown.  Right now,
living in North Potomac, a suburb of DC.

>Family Life:
Single, but wishing I had a boyfriend.  Only child, very close to both
parents.  A black "cocker spaniel" (mutt) that we adopted from the pound,
who is the love of my life.

>Personality:
Quiet until you get to know me, then I never shut up.

>Words friends have used to describe you:
 perfectionist, genius, naive, idealistic, bleeding heart liberal, insane

>Words you have used to describe you:
compassionate, persistent, anal, obsessive, dedicated, generous,
intelligent, busy

>Things you do when not staring at the computer:
When is that?  I'm obsessed with reality TV, love to read things unrelated
to my classes, adore sleeping as much as I can, and am currently interning
at the Feminist Majority Foundation.

>Comfort foods:
Chocolate, chocolate, and more chocolate.  Especially Snickers.  Also gummy
bears, goldfish crackers, and softserve vanilla ice cream.  Is it any wonder
that I'm constantly trying to lose weight?

>Education/Work:
I'm a junior at GW.  Majoring in Women's Studies, with minors in Spanish and
PoliSci.  Want to go to law school and eventually become either a public
defender, litigator specializing in discrimination, or policy analyst.

>Language skills
English, almost fluent Spanish, functional Hebrew.

>Technical know-how:
Certified tech geek.  Adore my laptop, my high speed connection, and my over
10 hours of MP3s.  Love tweaking my computer to make it work exactly the way
I want it to.  Can fix almost anything, or will figure out how to.  Know
HTML.


>Favourite HP book:
Absolutely positively PoA.  Then GoF and PS/SS.  CoS is my absolute least
favorite.

>Favourite HP character(s):
Hermione.  The Weasley twins.  Harry, Lupin, Snape, and Sirius are distant
runners-up.

>Favourite HP line:
"Have you gone mad?  Are you a witch or not?"
"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our
abilities."
"Harry!", said Fred, elbowing Percy out of the way and bowing deeply.
Simply splendid to see you, old boy!"  "Marvelous", said George, pushing
Fred aside and seizing Harry's hand in turn.  "Absolutely spiffing!"  Percy
scowled.

>Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:
Watching.  Looking forward to Cuaron and PoA.  Have both DVDs, but haven't
watched them more than once.  Disappointed with things that were left out,
but enjoyed seeing the world of the books come to life.

>Into HP fanfiction?
Yep.  Not reading anymore until after OoP, but love Ebony, Lori, Carole, and
Cassie's stuff.

>Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:
"The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood.
"Manifesta" by Baumgardner and Richards.
"Beach Music" by Pat Conroy.
"The Red Tent" by Anita Diamant.
"The Measure of Our Success" by Marian Wright Edelman.
"Their Eyes Were Watching God" by Zora Neale Hurston.
"Prodigal Summer" by Barbara Kingsolver.
"She's Come Undone" by Wally Lamb.
"Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore"
His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman.
"A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn.
(yes, they're in alphabetical order... I cheated and looked at my
bookshelf.)


>Favorite TV shows?
"The Amazing Race".  Also "American Idol", "Survivor", "Friends, "Will and
Grace", "The Practice", "Boston Public", "Trading Spaces", and "The
Simpsons".  I watch far too much TV for my own good, and love my TiVo.

>Favorite movies:
"Moulin Rouge", "Chicago", "Reality Bites"

>One thing about your life you'd change if you could - you may not
>say "lose weight."
I wouldn't have the surgery that left me flat on my back in the hospital for
six weeks, and with chronic hip and back pain that's worse than the pain it
was supposed to fix.  Most people find this surprising, but I wouldn't
change being born with cerebral palsy.  It's made me the person that I am,
and I like that person.  People's attitudes about it, on the other hand, I
would change.  Oops, I guess that's more than one thing.

>One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance
>copy of Book 7:
Going to GW.  I absolutely love it.

>Philosophy for an easy life:
It all works out.

>How you found HPfGU:
I honestly can't remember.

>Active at other HP sites:
Check TLC daily.

>Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
Hagrid will die.

>Members of the fandom you have personally met:
Cindy
Joywitch
Amanda
Debbie
Neil
Looking forward to meeting more at Nimbus, but terrified to meet so many at
once.

What a small world!  Phyllis and Debbie both went to GW?!  And both live in
Arlington?  I'm currently working in Rosslyn.  Jo, where are you in MoCo?
That's where I've lived my entire life when not at school.   You need to
join the DC posse!

That's probably more than you ever wanted to know about me...

~Joy~







From editor at texas.net  Mon Jun  9 03:26:45 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:26:45 -0500
Subject: SnapeFAQ update
References: <bbodgu+u35d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015801c32e36$f51658e0$d705a6d8@texas.net>

I had a thought. Amazing, isn't it.

Seriously, I've been thinking about the Snape FAQ update. I have two
observations: (1) it is currently very long; and (2) it is, in addition to
being a vehicle presenting different Snape theories and links to relevant or
representative posts, a superb standalone essay in its own right.

With respect to (1)--I'm not sure adding to the length would be a Good
Thing, it can easily get very unweildy.

With respect to (2)--I am unwilling to mess with another author's material
without permission, and Porphyria wrote the superb standalone essay.

In order to neatly dodge both these potential issues, I suggest that we
start a Snape FAQ 2, to include, at a minimum:
--Assassin!Snape in all its permutations
--the father figure stuff, which I had compiled for Porphyria and which she
planned to work in at a later date. I still have the list of relevant posts
for this.

Thoughts?

Also, could some dedicated Snape person with a Time Turner please go reread
Snape FAQ 1, and see what else has been raised that is not mentioned?

And could the management please hurry up and pay for my Kwikspell
subscription? I need to know how to embed links and stuff.

~Amanda





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  9 12:15:24 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:15:24 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
Message-ID: <bc1tos+ar70@eGroups.com>

Hey, all,

Boy, you guys are one heck of an interesting group of people!  Those 
bios were absolutely fantastic!  Thanks for taking the time.  Now 
remember, if you feel compelled to post any pics of yourself, you go 
right ahead.  And if you are still tweaking your bio, it's not to 
late to post it.

Anyway . . .  I was thinking we might have time before OoP to noodle 
through some organizational issues and challenges we have.  I'll just 
toss them out there and let's see what happens.

I guess the most difficult issue that has always faced the FAQ team 
is finding a way to keep things moving forward.  As anyone who has 
prepared a FAQ start-to-finish can tell you, it takes a lot of time.  
It also takes confidence that what you're producing is good.  With RL 
intervening all too often and with us working very hard on the 
cataloguing last winter, I'm afraid we haven't launched many new FAQs 
lately.  

It might be helpful to think about how we can improve our output -- 
assuming for the moment that we care about our output.  Maybe we 
don't.  But if we brainstorm for a minute, we might come up with a 
few ways to keep FAQ writers on track.  In no particular order:

1.  We could work in larger teams.  To date, the largest teams we've 
ever had have been 2 people ("Mysteries" update and "Lupin") or three 
("Hagrid?").  

2.  We could decide that, as a team, we will produce just one FP at a 
time.  If we decide Harry is the next FP we will launch, then 
everyone would work on Harry until that FP is finished.  Then we'd 
start a new FP.  Alternatively, maybe we'd work on no more than two 
FPs at a time -- Harry and Hagrid, for example.  Or we'd have one 
team for new FPs and one team for Updates to existing FPs.  Or we 
could work on one new FP and one Update as a team.

3.  We could have roving, motivational FPers who would help (and 
prod) FP writers.

4.  We could have a lead FPer on a particular FP, with a few others 
acting as support (helping to find good posts with The Whole 
Enchilada).

5.  We could decide that a writer may only reserve one FP or update 
at a time.  When the first is completed, then the writer could choose 
from whatever FPs remain unassigned.

6.  We could decide that a FP must be completed within a certain 
period (6 months?) after which time the FPer would assemble a team to 
move the project along.

7.  We could require that drafts/outlines be posted here monthly.

8.  We could chill and just let things develop however they develop.

Anyway, are there other options we might consider?  Opinions on any 
of these options?  How do we feel about the issue of output?

Lastly, I was hoping someone might be clever enough to think up a 
better term for us than "FPers."  Preferably something inspired by 
canon?

The only thing that I could think of was . . . well, it is almost to 
embarrassing to say, really.  See, on MEG, there are Elves (who do 
the work) and Geists (who throw water balloons).  But here on the FAQ 
list, we have no real power over what happens on the lists.  Or HPfGU 
policy.  Or how HPfGU members are treated.  All we can do is gather 
up the best messages, keep things organized and so forth.  

In a way, we're kind of like Filch -- no real powers but tasked with 
keeping the place livable.  So maybe we're all "squibs?"

Eh.  I'll bet you guys can do better.  Anyone?

Cindy




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  9 14:24:48 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc1tos+ar70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030609142448.67583.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Lastly, I was hoping someone might be clever enough
> to think up a 
> better term for us than "FPers."  Preferably
> something inspired by 
> canon?
> 
> The only thing that I could think of was . . . well,
> it is almost to 
> embarrassing to say, really.  See, on MEG, there are
> Elves (who do 
> the work) and Geists (who throw water balloons). 
> But here on the FAQ 
> list, we have no real power over what happens on the
> lists.  Or HPfGU 
> policy.  Or how HPfGU members are treated.  All we
> can do is gather 
> up the best messages, keep things organized and so
> forth.  
> 
> In a way, we're kind of like Filch -- no real powers
> but tasked with 
> keeping the place livable.  So maybe we're all
> "squibs?"
> 
> Eh.  I'll bet you guys can do better.  Anyone?

Nah. 

<solemnly>

I think you've got it, Cindy.




Derannimer, giggling somewhat

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun  9 15:47:43 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:47:43 -0000
Subject: SnapeFAQ update
In-Reply-To: <015801c32e36$f51658e0$d705a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bc2a6v+j06t@eGroups.com>

Amanda suggested:

<snip praise for Snape FAQ>

> With respect to (2)--I am unwilling to mess with another author's 
>material without permission, and Porphyria wrote the superb 
>standalone essay.

I'm of two minds about this, honestly.  On the one hand, I like the 
idea of not monkeying around with someone else's original.

On the other hand, I would hate for someone doing an update to feel 
constrained by what is already on the page.  Sometimes I find it 
harder to edit/update/improve what someone else wrote than it would 
be to start from scratch.  

On the third hand, some of the existing FAQs won't be strictly 
relevant after OoP, but have historical significance, if you will.  
The "Predictions" and "Mysteries" FPs will be totally different after 
OoP, and it would be nice to preserve the originals because it might 
be entertaining to look back to past theories.

One solution might be to leave it to the discretion of the FAQer 
doing the update.  In some situations, the writer may wish to start 
from scratch, but in others, the original material could be worked in 
as a separate section or, as Amanda suggested, the new material could 
be appended to the old.

On balance, though, my feeling is that the current FAQ writer 
probably shouldn't feel too constrained in how they handle things.  I 
remember that when Pippin and I updated the "Mysteries" FP, we just 
changed it around, continuing to give credit to the original author.  
We didn't keep various theories in the original intact simply for the 
sake of doing so.  Other approaches would have worked, of course, but 
the FPs can be very long, so perhaps there is merit in trying to 
produce one cohesive updated FAQ.

Am I straddling the fence?  Yup.

> And could the management please hurry up and pay for my Kwikspell
> subscription? I need to know how to embed links and stuff.
> 
> ~Amanda

Ah.  Another vote for "squib."  ;-)

Cindy





From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Jun  9 19:03:05 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:03:05 -0000
Subject: Squibses
In-Reply-To: <bc2a6v+j06t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc2ll9+t5cb@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> Amanda axed:
 
> > And could the management please hurry up and pay for my Kwikspell
> > subscription? I need to know how to embed links and stuff.
> 
> Ah.  Another vote for "squib."  ;-)
> 
Waaaaah!  I don't want to be a squib!  I want to be magical and
powerful and all that stuff.  People who think that everyone on the
list "overanalyzes" and "reads too much in to" the books can be Squibs.

Given that the FP's are named after a book by Newt Scamander, we could
all be Newts.  Or Scamanders.  Or the like.

--Dicey




From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  9 19:09:53 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 19:09:53 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc1tos+ar70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc2m21+6cf5@eGroups.com>


Well, if no one minds listening to voice of inexperience...

My first instinct was to favor your second suggestion, Cindy.

> 2.  We could decide that, as a team, we will produce just one FP at a 
> time.  If we decide Harry is the next FP we will launch, then 
> everyone would work on Harry until that FP is finished.  Then we'd 
> start a new FP.

But the more I think of it the more it seems like a recipe for disaster 
- too many cooks and all that.  I do think, however, that there's 
something to be said for not dividing the group's energies too much.  
Your first suggestion, larger FP teams, with clearly defined roles, 
seems to me like a good idea, and I think it offers a good balance.  A 
larger group can cover more ground in less time, and the members 
can encourage and prod each other (and cover for each other if 
necessary), but a group still needs to be small enough for a clear 
division of labour and responsibilities (this seems rather important in 
this group since, as you say, there's no clear-cut hierarchy).  3 or 4 
people per FP sounds ideal to me.

Similarly, I'm of two minds regarding deadlines.  While a deadline can 
be constructive, providing a focal point around which to plan a 
schedule, I have to wonder how effective it would be in this 
environment.  The older members of this group can correct me, but I 
would assume that RL considerations will almost always come before 
FAQ work.  I like the idea of monthly (or bi-monthly) progress reports, 
however.  Not necessarily as a way to improve productivity, but as a 
way of making sure that no group works in a vacuum.  Other members 
can offer suggestions or insights as these occur to them.

On a copmpletely unrelated matter, I had some free time last week 
(which I am paying for this week) and spent some of it going over the 
uncatalogued posts on the main group, looking for memorable 
discussions.  Mostly I noted discussions that I either followed or 
participated in, and wrote down the number of the first message in the 
thread.  Has there been any decision about the new Fantastic Posts table?  
There was some talk about dividing it by subject, or creating different 
tables for different FPs.

Abigail




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  9 21:32:35 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:32:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Newtses
In-Reply-To: <bc2ll9+t5cb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030609213235.73144.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com>

Dicey wailed:

> Waaaaah!  I don't want to be a squib!  I want to be
> magical and
> powerful and all that stuff.  People who think that
> everyone on the
> list "overanalyzes" and "reads too much in to" the
> books can be Squibs.

I agree!  FAQers are WAY magical.
 
> Given that the FP's are named after a book by Newt
> Scamander, we could
> all be Newts.  Or Scamanders.  Or the like.

There you go.  Geeky, yet magical.

Amy

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From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 00:42:22 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:42:22 -0000
Subject: We Could be the Fantastic Post Owls (WAS: What Are We?)
In-Reply-To: <bc1tos+ar70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc39he+q3pk@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> Lastly, I was hoping someone might be clever enough to think up a 
> better term for us than "FPers."  Preferably something inspired by 
> canon?

How about calling ourselves the "Fantastic Post Owls"?

~Phyllis
who gets first dibs on "Hedwig" since it was her idea




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 01:47:55 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:47:55 -0000
Subject: We Could be the Fantastic Post Owls (WAS: What Are We?)
In-Reply-To: <bc39he+q3pk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc3dcb+tsdq@eGroups.com>

No one likes "squibs," huh?

That's just *great.*  Squibs get no respect at all, do they?

<sigh>

> How about calling ourselves the "Fantastic Post Owls"?

Well . . . . 

Actually, that's darn good, if you ask me.  It's even kinda British, 
which means it's real classy.  ;-)

Cindy -- who really does like "Owls"




From editor at texas.net  Tue Jun 10 02:18:17 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:18:17 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: SnapeFAQ update
References: <bc2a6v+j06t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004301c32ef6$8eb895c0$0705a6d8@texas.net>

Reading down your thoughts, Cindy....what about classifying the ones we have
now as "Book 1-4 FAQs" and then making sets of FAQs that we come up with
after each subsequent book? We preserve the historical value, we don't end
up with a FAQ that would take a bank of computers to store, and we preserve
any authorial integrity (or some of it...the Snape FAQ update is still "book
1-4").

Thoughts?

~A

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
To: <HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:47 AM
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: SnapeFAQ update


> Amanda suggested:
>
> <snip praise for Snape FAQ>
>
> > With respect to (2)--I am unwilling to mess with another author's
> >material without permission, and Porphyria wrote the superb
> >standalone essay.
>
> I'm of two minds about this, honestly.  On the one hand, I like the
> idea of not monkeying around with someone else's original.
>
> On the other hand, I would hate for someone doing an update to feel
> constrained by what is already on the page.  Sometimes I find it
> harder to edit/update/improve what someone else wrote than it would
> be to start from scratch.
>
> On the third hand, some of the existing FAQs won't be strictly
> relevant after OoP, but have historical significance, if you will.
> The "Predictions" and "Mysteries" FPs will be totally different after
> OoP, and it would be nice to preserve the originals because it might
> be entertaining to look back to past theories.
>
> One solution might be to leave it to the discretion of the FAQer
> doing the update.  In some situations, the writer may wish to start
> from scratch, but in others, the original material could be worked in
> as a separate section or, as Amanda suggested, the new material could
> be appended to the old.
>
> On balance, though, my feeling is that the current FAQ writer
> probably shouldn't feel too constrained in how they handle things.  I
> remember that when Pippin and I updated the "Mysteries" FP, we just
> changed it around, continuing to give credit to the original author.
> We didn't keep various theories in the original intact simply for the
> sake of doing so.  Other approaches would have worked, of course, but
> the FPs can be very long, so perhaps there is merit in trying to
> produce one cohesive updated FAQ.
>
> Am I straddling the fence?  Yup.
>
> > And could the management please hurry up and pay for my Kwikspell
> > subscription? I need to know how to embed links and stuff.
> >
> > ~Amanda
>
> Ah.  Another vote for "squib."  ;-)
>
> Cindy
>
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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 02:27:24 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:27:24 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: We Could be the Fantastic Post Owls (WAS: What Are We?)
Message-ID: <LAW8-F140xxDEA2VqFn000195d9@hotmail.com>

Cindy Wrote:

>No one likes "squibs," huh?

Nope.

>That's just *great.*  Squibs get no respect at all, do they?

Now Cindy, would you *really* want to be called a "squib"?

Phyl Suggested:

>How about calling ourselves the "Fantastic Post Owls"?

Sounds like a winner to me.  I cast my vote for "Owls"


-Gail B...who is organizing her thoughts for her *One* most rock-solid 
prediction for OoP.

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 13:21:43 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:21:43 -0000
Subject: Penny  Rules, But Catlady Is Keeping It Interesting
Message-ID: <bc4m17+839c@eGroups.com>

Hi,

Magnificent!Paul generated a new Magical Spreadsheet.  He says he has 
to tweak a few things, and I'll upload it here as soon as it's 
finished.

But I couldn't help but check posting rates for a few people.  

You all may recall that Penny was the all-time leading poster through 
September 2002 with 1,483 posts.  Catlady was in third place with 
1,136 posts.

>From September to June 8, Penny logged 52 posts.  But Catlady surged 
with 281 posts!  

This gives Penny 1535, and Catlady 1417.  

Alas, Catlady did nip Amanda, who was in second place last time with 
1314 posts.  Amanda now has 1360 posts.

And I am afraid I have to report that Heidi, who was right on my 
heels, blew past me in the rankings by out-posting me 270 to 71.  But 
I have to keep my eye on Pippin, who is mounting a very serious 
challenge.
 
So Champion!Penny is safe. For the moment.  ;-)


Here are the new standings for the top 10:

Penny:  1535
Catlady: 1417
Amanda: 1360
Amy Z:  1206
Neil: 1073
Heidi: 1014
Cindy: 857
Pippin: 835
Dee:  789
Caius: 734


Cindy -- who notes that bboy has launched himself into the top ranks 
with his 587 posts since September




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 15:00:06 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:00:06 -0000
Subject: Team List 
Message-ID: <bc4rpm+7ipc@eGroups.com>

I've updated the team list to include Tom and Eric and to modify the 
names of those who asked me to make changes.  Are we still waiting to 
hear from Naama?  Do we still want to recruit a few more good men?

The revised list follows:

Abigail (abigailnus)
Ali (alhewison)
Catherine (catorman)
Cindy (cindysphynx)
Carole (siriusgeologist)
Caius (coriolan_cmc2001)
Dicentra (dicentra63)
Amanda (mandolabar)
Debbie (elfundeb2)
Eloise (eloise_herisson)
Eric (ericoppen)
Phyllis (erisedstraeh2002)
Pippin (pippin_999)
Gail (klyanthea)
Gwen (gwendolyngrace)
Heidi (heiditandy)
Jennifer (jenP_97)
Jim (jferer)
Jo Serenadust (serenadust)
Joy (Joy0823)
Paul (kippesp)
Charis (charisjulia)
Eileen (lucky_kari)
Amy (lupinesque)
Melody (malady579)
Mike (aberforths_goat)
Kimberly (moongirlk)
Morgan (morgan_d_yyh)
Penny (plinsenmayer)
Pip (bluesqueak)
Porphyria (porphyria_ash)
Barb (psychic_serpent)
Marina (marinafrants)
Simon (owlfriend_of_hedwig)
Elkins (ssk7882)
Steve (hp_lexicon)
Derannimer (derannimer)
Sheryll (S_Ings)
Tom Wall (thomasmwall)
Tabouli (f-price)

Let me know if this is set to go, or if there will be any more 
additions or changes.  Many thanks!

~Phyllis





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 15:20:11 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:20:11 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bc4rpm+7ipc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc4svb+kea0@eGroups.com>

Hi,

Phyllis:

>Are we still waiting to 
> hear from Naama?  

Uh, kinda.

I sent my first message asking her to join and heard nothing.  I 
followed up about whether she received the message.  She replied with 
essentially, "Yes, I got it.  I assumed you had sent it to everyone 
on the list."

I replied with, "Oh, no, maybe around 8 people were invited.  So how 
about it?"

That was a few days ago, and I've heard nothing since.  So, er, I 
guess that's that.

>Do we still want to recruit a few more good men?

Good question.

My rough review of the team list suggests we have maybe 16-18 people 
who have indicated an interest in writing FAQs (as opposed to tech 
work).  That's probably enough for now.  Heck, if we can't get some 
FAQs out the door with a team of this size . . . dang!

I've been mulling Abigail's thoughts about how we should structure 
things, and I agree on all counts, I think.  Having all of us work on 
one or two things would be unworkable, probably.  

But if we broke up into teams of 4-6 people, we could tackle four FPs 
at a time.  One benefit of doing that would be the natural, robust, 
healthy and friendly competition that might nudge us all into writing 
more quickly.  Heck, we could even have *team names* to help bolster 
school spirit!  ;-)

So.  What do you all think?

Next, there is Amanda's idea of doing sequential updates -- 
preserving the old FAQs and appending updates rather than modifying.  
I believe Amanda is going to flesh that proposal out a bit.  Maybe we 
can consider the staffing issues now and take up the mechanics when 
Amanda has posted on that subject?

Then, if we do decide to work on a limited number of FPs, there is 
the rather significant matter of deciding which FPs should be done 
first.  I would imagine that some of this will depend on what happens 
in OoP.  If Hermione dies as Brian and I alone seem to be eagerly 
anticipating, I guess she would be a priority.  But maybe some 
preliminary discussion wouldn't hurt.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that Harry will figure prominently 
in OoP.  ;-)  That suggests that we might want to make the Harry FP a 
priority.

If Harry occupies Slot Number One, then Hagrid might be Slot Number 
Two?  What about Slot Three and Slot Four, though?  Thoughts?

And remember, none of this is carved in stone.  We're just thinking 
out loud.  So please, please, weigh in with your thoughts, especially 
if you disagree.

Cindy -- who wants to reserve the team name "The Squibs"






From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Tue Jun 10 15:37:37 2003
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Jun 2003 15:37:37 -0000
Subject: New poll for HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1055259457.315.13795.w29@yahoogroups.com>


Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HP4GU-FAQ group:

Assuming for the moment that we divide 
into four FAQ-writing teams, which new 
FPs do you think we should turn to 
first?  Please vote four times or 
fewer.  Names will display; you can 
change your vote any time. 

  o DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice 
  o Harry 
  o Hagrid 
  o Character Names 
  o Crouch Family 
  o Dumbledore 
  o Gender and Race 
  o Literary Comparisons 
  o Malfoy Family 
  o Quidditch 
  o Spells and Charms 
  o Lupin 
  o Myths and Legends 
  o Morality in the Wizarding World 
  o Class and Cultural Prejudice 
  o Clothing 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/surveys?id=1105398  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

 







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 15:38:54 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0000
Subject: New poll for HP4GU-FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1055259457.315.13795.w29@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc4u2e+givd@eGroups.com>

Hey,

I set this up to see if there's any general agreement on prioritizing 
our work.  I tried to capture all of the new FPs.  Let me know if I 
omitted anything.  And remember, this *assumes* that we have four FP 
teams, which hasn't been decided.

Cindy

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> HP4GU-FAQ group:
> 
> Assuming for the moment that we divide 
> into four FAQ-writing teams, which new 
> FPs do you think we should turn to 
> first?  Please vote four times or 
> fewer.  Names will display; you can 
> change your vote any time. 
> 
>   o DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice 
>   o Harry 
>   o Hagrid 
>   o Character Names 
>   o Crouch Family 
>   o Dumbledore 
>   o Gender and Race 
>   o Literary Comparisons 
>   o Malfoy Family 
>   o Quidditch 
>   o Spells and Charms 
>   o Lupin 
>   o Myths and Legends 
>   o Morality in the Wizarding World 
>   o Class and Cultural Prejudice 
>   o Clothing 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/surveys?id=1105398  
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
> web site listed above.
> 
> Thanks!




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Tue Jun 10 16:23:49 2003
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 10 Jun 2003 16:23:49 -0000
Subject: New poll for HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1055262229.292.64548.w8@yahoogroups.com>


Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HP4GU-FAQ group:

Assuming for the moment that we decide 
to update some of the existing FPs at 
some point after OoP's release, which 
existing FPs do you think should have 
the highest priority?  Again, vote for 
four or fewer, you can change your vote 
any time, and names will display. 

  o Animal Characters 
  o Sirius Black 
  o The Dursleys 
  o Hermione 
  o Neville 
  o McGonagall 
  o Pettigrew 
  o James and Lily 
  o Snape 
  o Ron Weasley 
  o Weasley Family 
  o Voldemort 
  o Geography 
  o Hogwarts 
  o Mysteries 
  o Shipping 
  o Predictions 
  o Government 
  o Magical Devices 
  o Wands 
  o Fanfiction 
  o Other Recommended Reading 
  o Religion and HP 
  o Lawsuits 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/surveys?id=1105407  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

 







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 16:25:09 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:25:09 -0000
Subject: New poll for HP4GU-FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1055262229.292.64548.w8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc50p5+umjh@eGroups.com>

Same story here.  It might help to know which existing FPs are most 
worthy of our attention.

Cindy


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> HP4GU-FAQ group:
> 
> Assuming for the moment that we decide 
> to update some of the existing FPs at 
> some point after OoP's release, which 
> existing FPs do you think should have 
> the highest priority?  Again, vote for 
> four or fewer, you can change your vote 
> any time, and names will display. 
> 
>   o Animal Characters 
>   o Sirius Black 
>   o The Dursleys 
>   o Hermione 
>   o Neville 
>   o McGonagall 
>   o Pettigrew 
>   o James and Lily 
>   o Snape 
>   o Ron Weasley 
>   o Weasley Family 
>   o Voldemort 
>   o Geography 
>   o Hogwarts 
>   o Mysteries 
>   o Shipping 
>   o Predictions 
>   o Government 
>   o Magical Devices 
>   o Wands 
>   o Fanfiction 
>   o Other Recommended Reading 
>   o Religion and HP 
>   o Lawsuits 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/surveys?id=1105407  
> 
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
> web site listed above.
> 
> Thanks!




From s_ings at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 16:28:58 2003
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Very late profile
Message-ID: <20030610162858.15146.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

Better late than never, right? Right? :)

Real name:
Sheryll Townsend

Aka:
DC Sheryll by my friend Eric (DC=darn Canadian)
other than that, just the HPFGU stuff - Rylly Elf and
Sheryll the Birthday Elf

Age/sex:
44 (middle-aged, according to Neil)/not as often as
Andy would like :-D

Birthplace/living place:
Born: Winnipeg, Manitoba aka Winterpeg, Manisnowba.
Yes, it's that bad in winter, pretty much the butt end
of Canada's winter jokes
Currently living in Ottawa, Ontario - totally gorgeous
city, hopefully the site of next year's HP conference
Have also lived in CFB Borden, Ontario (am an Air
Force brat); Chicoutimi and CFB Bagotville, Quebec;
Flin Flon, Manitoba (for a few months when I was
small); Wendover, Ontario (where my parents still
live); Nepean, Ontario which used to be a city of it's
own until the Regional Municipality of Ottawa-Carleton
amalgamated and now it's just part of the west end of
Ottawa; CFB Goose Bay, Labrador. This last one was a
treat (note sarcasm) - 12 miles of road, all goods and
foodstuffs in by boat of plane (depending on the
season), annual snowfall of about 12 1/2 feet,
duration of summer is about 2 weeks in August when
it's warm enough to go to the beach but the water is
freezing. Learned to ice fish there at age 4.

Family life:
Husband - Andy, over 40, bald and sexy. Can repair
anything, does all our home renovations, makes the
best carrot cake in the world, does dishes and
laundry. 
Daughter - Nyssa, almost 20, finally moved out (no, I
didn't push her out the door), works as a purchasing
agent at a pawn shop, lives next door to drag queens
but refuses to go over and introduce herself despite
the fact that I actually know most of them. Leaving in
the fall for St. Lawrence College in Kingston, Ontario
to study education. Her course will also have her
studying in NY state and ending up certified to teach
in both Ontario and NY.
Parents live close enough to visit, call and borrow
money from and are too polite to drop by without
calling first. Dad retired from the Air Force after 28
years in Weapons and Tech and went on to work for an
aeronautical engineering company before finally
retiring at 66 last spring. Totally losing his hearing
and drives my mother nuts by constantly turning up the
music in the van. Mom just turned 67 and still works
as the manager of marketing for an engineering company
that makes railway products. She loves to travel and
has taken Nyssa on vacations since she was 5, the last
being a 2 week trip to Europe for Nyssa's high school
graduation present last summer.
My sister (younger by nearly 5 years) lives in far
east end of the city, darn near inaccessible by public
transit. Married, 3 kids, the oldest of whom I dragged
kicking and screaming out of school 3 years ago to
attend JKR's reading at SkyDome in Toronto. Okay, I
lie, he came willing.

Personality:
Let me check, there must be one somewhere in all this
mess on my desk.

Words friends have used to describe you:
impatient, sarcastic, friendly, helpful, organised,
fun, Susie homemaker, wasting my intellect

Words you use to describe yourself:
messy, disorganised, procrastinator, spontaneous,
easily distracted, shy, insecure

Things you do when not staring at the computer screen:
Work, sleep occasionally, work, try to talk people
into helping with the 2004 HP conference (even at
work), eat, work, watch movies, cook, work, travel,
talk on the phone, work (can you tell I work 6 days a
week?) and once in a blue moon I do household stuff
like cleaning and laundry.

Comfort foods:
Darn near all food is my favourite. Anything spicy,
especially Malaysian; fish and chips; cheesecake;
homemade ice cream; weinerschnitzel, which we're
having tonight for my birthday dinner; fried chicken;
homemade bread with peanut butter and homemade jam;
popcorn with lots of butter; BBQ Lays and plain
Ruffles; anything chocolate. In other words, pretty
much anything greasy, fried and unhealthy

Education/work:
There's a diploma kicking around here somewhere that
says I'm a certified library technician, though it's a
bit suspect as I went through college in a drunken
stupor and have hardly worked in the field. Have done
darn near everything but wait tables, including: home
daycare, telephone surveys and genealogy research.
Currently overworked at minimum wage ($6.85 Cdn) and
all the free movies I can watch. It pays some bills
and helps me make interesting 48 hours bus trips to
Amanda's. 

Language skills:
English, sometimes even coherently
Enough French to make myself understood but I can
still understand and read it very well. Used to be
fluent.

Technical know-how:
Technosquib - can find the power button on the
computer and can replace printer cartridges

Favourite HP book:
PoA - so far

Favourite HP character:
Have abandoned Sirius to Carole, after much cruising
of the Sunday chats on the luxurious yacht the SS
Sirius/I, and tossed my lot in with Snape

Favourite HP line:
I'm supposed to read the books and remember this
stuff?

Watching/avoiding the HP movies:
Watching. Own both, got tired of them pretty quick.
CoS had way too many Home Alone moments for my liking.
Praying PoA is better.

Into HP fanfiction:
Used to be, very much. That was before I was a List
Elf and the birthday elf and did de-modding and joined
this group and started working on the HP conference
for next year... in other words, I was reading lots
but it's pretty much fallen by the wayside.

Books you're recommend to just about anyone:
Will keep it short. Gary Jennings - The Journeyer 

Favourite TV shows:
CSI, Amazing Race, Survivor, Law & Order, Law & Order:
SVU, Queer as Folk, Kevin Spencer

Favourite movie:
Anything with Alan Rickman (like you didn't already
know that), Colin Firth or Katharine Hepburn. And Come
Fill the Cup.

One thing about you you wish you could change:
Right now I'd say my eyesight, as I'm in serious need
of bifocals

One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for
an advance copy of book 7:
That one's easy - 13 1/2 years of sobriety

Philosophy for an easy life:
There's no such thing, trust me. Things work out the
way they're meant to and no amount of staying awake
nights worrying will change that.

How you found HPFGU:
Goodness, I don't remember what's in the containers in
my fridge and you want me to remember how I found this
place 3 years ago? Riiiiight.

Active on other HP sites:
I lurk on a few fanfic lists, sometimes peruse the
Leaky Cauldron. Other than that, just the planning
list for the 2004 conference.

Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
I will like the book and there will be awesome party
at my place from the evening of the 20th to sometime
on Sunday. ;)

Members of the fandom you've personally met:
Oh dear, here's where I have problems with memory. If
I forget someone, forgive me, I'm old.

Amanda
Penny
Michelle
Ebony
John
Carole
Jenny
Jen
Cassie
Ali
Jim
Judy
Pippin
Jules
Jamieson
Neil
Keith
Jana
Kris
Josh
Shelagh
Janine
Irina
Raechel
Jessica
Sinead

I think that's it. If you're still reading, you have
too much time on your hands. Back away from the
computer. :-D

Sheryll


=====
"No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously." - Dave Barry

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca



From Ali at zymurgy.org  Tue Jun 10 18:49:39 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:49:39 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bc4svb+kea0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5983+7reo@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
  
<<< I've been mulling Abigail's thoughts about how we should 
structure things, and I agree on all counts, I think.  Having all of 
us work on one or two things would be unworkable, probably.  
 
 But if we broke up into teams of 4-6 people, we could tackle four 
FPs at a time.  One benefit of doing that would be the natural, 
robust, healthy and friendly competition that might nudge us all 
into writing more quickly.  Heck, we could even have *team names* to 
help bolster school spirit!  ;-)

 So.  What do you all think?>>>

Would anyone want to be a Slytherin or Hufflepuff? 

I think if we did all work on one FP, it would be unworkable. But 
what is there to stop us from having teams of people working on 
particular sections of a FP? This way, we would not be falling over 
ourselves. I just feel that we really should have a FP on Harry by 
now. 

In Harry's case, I think it would be fairly easy to have sequential 
updates. IIRC, JKR said that the end of GoF marked the end of 
Harry's innocence. It would therefore seem an ideal place to end 
Harry FP part 1, with part 2 beginning with OoP - when we are ready.
 

<<< I'll go out on a limb and predict that Harry will figure 
prominently in OoP.  ;-)  That suggests that we might want to make 
the Harry FP a priority.>>>

I personally believe that Harry should be our priority. I also think 
that if Hagrid is indeed toast in OoP, then he should be 
prioritised - if we keep an eye out for Hagrid posts.

I have still got my Quidditch post to do, and I will do it, although 
it will really be a practical document rather than a work of 
literary merit. It is *only* Quidditch after all <bg>.

Ali





From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 18:51:09 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:51:09 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbstpt+ksah@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc59at+j5rk@eGroups.com>

Tom wrote: 
> >Things you do when not staring at the computer:
> I used to play the tuba and was a bona-fide band-geek for eight 
> years, but since brass instruments are so expensive (and I don't 
> own a tuba,) I don't get to play anymore. 

Melody replied:
You played tuba? Oh, how cool were you. I played percussion for
seven years in middle and high school and in the marching band in
college for four. My best friend in high school, a very stubborn
girl, played tuba. Married a tuba player. Both were in the marching
band at Texas Tech. So, cool. Anyway....

I respond:
No way! Did you ever have all the corny old band jokes?

A tuba player walks into a bar and says `ouch.' 

How do you know when the stage is level?
The drummers have drool coming out of *both* sides of their mouths.

Were you by any chance affiliated with Kappa Kappa Psi or Tau Beta 
Sigma? They're co-ed band service organizations ... we had a local 
chapter at B.U.... and I believe that there was a chapter at Texas 
Tech, and I know that there was one from Baylor, `cause I met one of 
their brothers at our National Convention in `99. Aww, nostalgia for 
band-geekdom is rearing its head... Oh. Then I remembered parades. 
Forget it. ;-)


I wrote previously:
> >Education/Work:
> Double B.A. in Philosophy and the Classics from Boston University. 
> Normally I'd just say `B.U.,' but apparently there are lots of
> those out there. Very frustrating to tell someone I went to `B.U.'
> and get, in reply, "Baylor?" No. Not Baylor. ;-)

Melody replied:
Hey! Now, now. Baylor is a wonderful school. So wonderful, that I
went there for four years then graduated. :D 

I add:
Yeah, I know Baylor is a great school ? but from my Massachusetts-
centric perspective (I grew up and went to school there,) one grows 
up only knowing of one `B.U.' In that sense, I was surprised that 
people out there use the abbreviation to refer to tons of schools. 
I've also gotten "You went to Binghamton?" Nope. "You went to 
Bowdoin?" Nope, that's a college. "You went to Bates?" Sorry. "You're 
from Birmingham?" Unh-unh. "Didn't you go to Boston College?" ARGH! 
Boston College?! No, no, and triple no!


Melody wrote:
Oh and I learned how to cheer for a lossing team too. The poor band
had to go everywhere with the football team and find ways to cheer for
things like "no more fumbles" or "run the other way". :) 

I reply:
Yeah, me too on cheering for the losing team ? B.U. was so terrible 
at football that they cut the whole program, leaving the band in 
quite a lurch. After all, "what's the point of the band (they 
argued,) if not to play at the football games?" Close call, that was. 
Luckily, we have a good hockey team, and the band plays at those 
games, too, so we weren't discontinued outright, simply marginalized.


> >Favourite HP book:
> GoF, definitely. I can reread `The First Task' over and over and 
> over again ? the descriptions of the Hungarian Horntail are so 
> delightfully vivid, and the scene has so much tension it's 
> overpowering.

Melody replied:
To this I completely agree. The tension and writing in that chapter
is so well done it still gives me chills every time. That arc of
story is magnificent. Good call.

I add:
Just reread it again this weekend. ;-) I love the way JKR describes 
Harry's tension, too. It's just so apt, you know, and so true to 
life... "He saw everything in front of him as though it was a very 
highly colored dream." Wowee... right on, JKR!

I'm still catching up on the weekend's discussions (and the ones that 
came before that,) and hoping to reply to Cindy's post by the end of 
the day.

Isn't it fun to have two lists to check now? ;-)

-Tom





From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Tue Jun 10 20:24:45 2003
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:24:45 -0000
Subject: Another Late profile
In-Reply-To: <20030610162858.15146.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bc5eqd+hgig@eGroups.com>

> Real name:

Eileen Marie
 
> Aka:
Bee/Beeswax (thanks to my father)

> Age/sex:
20/F

> Birthplace/living place:
Canada

> Family life:
Oldest of eight children. All the others are boys. Very Weasley..

> Personality:
Percy-like

> Words friends have used to describe you:
Smart. I'm not sure it's always meant positively. 
 
> Words you use to describe yourself:
Obsessive cataloguer. 

> 
> Things you do when not staring at the computer screen:
Read, write, hike, babsyit my brothers, study. 

> Comfort foods:
White chocolate.

> Education/work:
Working on an English degree.
 
> Language skills:
English. French. Spanish. Middle English. Old English. Only really
fluent in the first, though I can psyche people out with the Old
English sometimes. 

> Technical know-how:
Discovered what Windows Explorer was Saturday.

> Favourite HP book:
GoF

> Favourite HP character:
Barty Crouch Sr. of course! (And Crouch Jr. but don't tell Elkins)

> Favourite HP line:
"Mad? Am I?"

> Watching/avoiding the HP movies:
Watching, then avoiding.

> Into HP fanfiction:
Yep, but it's a guilty pleasure. 

> Books you're recommend to just about anyone:

The Lord of the Rings
Is one of those things.
If you like it, you do.
If you don't, you just boo.
         - J.R.R. Tolkien

> Favourite TV shows:
Don't watch TV anymore. 

> Favourite movie:
Les Miserables - French

> One thing about you you wish you could change:
I'd like 20/20 eyesight.

> One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for
> an advance copy of book 7:
My brothers. Life's good at the Burrow.

> Philosophy for an easy life:
Don't grow up like my mother.

Somehow, I can't seem to follow this one.

> How you found HPFGU:
I don't remember. 

> Active on other HP sites:
No. 

> Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
Lupin dies, and I will get $5.

> Members of the fandom you've personally met:

None. 

Could you just write Eileen on the list? Without lucky_kari?

Eileen




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 20:38:47 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:38:47 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bc5983+7reo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5fkn+103r5@eGroups.com>

Eileen (lucky kari) wrote in the other thread:
Could you just write Eileen on the list? Without lucky_kari?

I add:
Oooh, yeah, me too...

Since I'm the only one with a last name, and there don't seem to be 
too many other Tom's around, could we go sans the last name? 
Thanks! ;-)

-Tom





From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 21:38:31 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:38:31 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bc5fkn+103r5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5j4n+mtnf@eGroups.com>

Eileen wrote:

> Could you just write Eileen on the list? Without lucky_kari?

and Tom added:
 
> Oooh, yeah, me too...

No problem.  Actually, I could take off the Yahoo IDs and just use 
our first names if that's OK with everyone.  If that's *not* OK with 
anyone, please let me know.  Thanks!

~Phyllis
who is thinking that if we go with the "Fantastic Post Owls" name, 
our motto could be: "We can deliver a fantastic post anywhere, 
anytime - even without an address!"  

or not ;-)

(just don't make me eat a vole for this!)




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 10 21:47:39 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:47:39 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc1tos+ar70@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5jls+7bff@eGroups.com>


Cindy wrote:
1. We could work in larger teams. To date, the largest teams we've 
ever had have been 2 people ("Mysteries" update and "Lupin") or three 
("Hagrid?").

Tom:
I like this ? three to four person teams sounds ideal (from my 
experience,) in that there is a lot of old through which we have to 
comb, and our search options are limited. Oh, and then the writing 
part.


Cindy:
3. We could have roving, motivational FPers who would help (and 
prod) FP writers.

Tom:
I like this, too. If half of our whole team is occupied with writing 
specific FP's, then the other half could be free agents who could 
help everyone out. This might also be a great way for us new people 
to help out while familiarizing ourselves.


Cindy:
4. We could have a lead FPer on a particular FP, with a few others 
acting as support (helping to find good posts with The Whole 
Enchilada).

I add:
I really like this ? especially since Abigail noted the dangers of 
having too many chiefs. This one person could remind everyone of 
deadlines, take the helm


Cindy:
5. We could decide that a writer may only reserve one FP or update 
at a time. When the first is completed, then the writer could choose 
from whatever FPs remain unassigned.

Tom:
Yep, yep ? also great ? we wouldn't want to have anyone overextend 
themselves and turn something that's fun into something that's 
stressful.


Cindy:
6. We could decide that a FP must be completed within a certain 
period (6 months?) after which time the FPer would assemble a team to 
move the project along.

Tom:
Well, Abigail also noted the possible potholes over deadlines, but 
overall, I think that some kind of flexible, deadline-oriented 
procedure is the best way to ensure progress.

Considering that I don't really know how things have worked thus far, 
and don't want to step on toes, I really like all of these 
suggestions. So, combining most of Cindy's excellent ideas into one 
whole, I'd say we do something like:

We break down into several three-to-five person teams, each working 
on one of the several FP's upon which the group decides. Can we pick 
three or four topics that desperately need to be written/updated? 
This way, teams have several heads working together, which allows for 
more creativity, and also more activity than one person could manage, 
without having to deal with the confusion of having thirty people 
chiming in together.

Depending on how many people actually *want* to be responsible for 
leading a group, we can take victims, oh, I mean *volunteers,* or 
else have elections for `team captains.' The captain could be the 
cheerleader, and keep track of the group's ideas, then help organize 
how the topic should be tackled. The captain could also post once-a-
month on the team's progress.

Each team's members should try to limit themselves to the one topic 
for which they signed up. If a team member realizes that he/she won't 
be able to (or else doesn't want to) help, then they could try to 
switch to another team, or else join the roving-FPer ranks.

The remaining members who aren't married to a topic can be 
motivational free-agents, and help out everyone else, while still 
taking a break for themselves. We're going to have a place where 
these works-in-progress are posted, right? The free-agents could 
check this page once in a while to see how things are progressing.

I'd bet that since the veterans have worked very hard in the past, 
some might want to relax a bit. Also, being a free-agent seems like a 
great way for newbies to acclimate themselves to group-procedures and 
so forth.

We set flexible-deadlines for some reasonable point in the future 
(several months?) and get to work.

On that note, I like monthly progress reports, even if (and 
sometimes, *especially* if) there isn't any real progress to report. 
This is a great chance for everyone on the list to review the 
progress of each group, and is also a chance for other members to 
comment and make suggestions. If a group isn't making progress, then 
this would also be a good chance to initiate discussion on how to get 
things rolling. 

So, if we have, say, four ongoing topics, then each group could pick 
a week of the month to make its reports, so we won't get boggled down 
with ideas all at once ? we'll get one topic per week to review as a 
whole, and then a new topic the next week.

Through the progress reports, we can ensure total participation and 
input from everyone without having too many people involved 
specifically on one topic.

Anyways, just my take.


Phyllis suggested:
How about calling ourselves the "Fantastic Post Owls"?

I add:
Although we (well, a subset of that `we') *are* powerless squibs when 
compared to the administrators of main list, I'm down with owl-dom.

It's cute, classy, matches the `FP' bit, and we would be the 
purveyors of information to everyone else. 

I'm not flying a daily subscription to the Daily Prophet, though. ;-)

-Tom





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 22:08:37 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:08:37 -0000
Subject: Team List
In-Reply-To: <bc5j4n+mtnf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5kt5+fcmm@eGroups.com>

Phyllis:

> No problem.  Actually, I could take off the Yahoo IDs and just use 
> our first names if that's OK with everyone.  If that's *not* OK 
with 
> anyone, please let me know.  Thanks!

I'm good with that too.  I've been passing these lists on to 
Porphyria because she's not able to read the FAQ list right now.  
I'll let her know.


> ~Phyllis
> who is thinking that if we go with the "Fantastic Post Owls" name, 
> our motto could be: "We can deliver a fantastic post anywhere, 
> anytime - even without an address!"  

Awesome!  I'll let Porphyria know this as well.  

Cindy -- wondering what "lucky kari" means




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Tue Jun 10 22:23:35 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:23:35 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc5jls+7bff@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5lp7+69rd@eGroups.com>

Tom wrote:

<an excellent summary of how we might get things accomplished of how 
we might get organized>

I had an idea today that might work nicely with what Tom wrote:

> Through the progress reports, we can ensure total participation and 
> input from everyone without having too many people involved 
> specifically on one topic.

Yup, progress reports are good, and I like the Team Captain (or Co-
Captain) concept, too.

Last time around, I think we hit a stumbling block once it was time 
to write.  People started working on their FPs, and we kind of lost 
touch with each other.  So having small teams off working in separate 
corners isn't so great.

On the other hand, trying to have each small group communicate about 
and discuss everything they're working on right here on the FP list 
would drive list volume through the roof.  And there's the "too many 
cooks" problem.

So how about this model?  We have, say, four teams working on four 
FPs.  When team members want to communicate about anything concerning 
their FP, they do so here in plain view on the FAQ list.  Posting 
outlines, drafts, whatever.  

But each team would have a name.  (Maybe even Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, 
Slytherin and Gryffindor.)  When they post about their team's work, 
they could use a prefix.  So if I were on Slytherin, and I wanted to 
ask confer with my teammates Ali, Tom and Derannimer about an outline 
I had drafted for the Harry FP, then I'd post under a subject 
header:  "SLYTHERIN:  Harry FP Rulebreaking Outline."

That way, anyone with time to read everything can do so.  Those 
without time can easily skip based on the prefixes and just keep up 
with what their own team is doing.  Those who aren't moving very fast 
will see that other teams are working like house elves.  And we'll be 
able to send free agents to help any team that is struggling or 
falling behind.   

Just a thought.

Cindy -- who would cackle loudly each time she saw the "SQUIB" prefix




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 00:27:50 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:27:50 -0000
Subject: Organization and FAQ Priorities
Message-ID: <bc5t26+n2ua@eGroups.com>


--- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote:
> Yup, progress reports are good, and I like the Team
> Captain (or Co-
> Captain) concept, too.

> >snip<

> So how about this model?  We have, say, four teams
> working on four 
> FPs.  When team members want to communicate about
> anything concerning 
> their FP, they do so here in plain view on the FAQ
> list.  Posting 
> outlines, drafts, whatever.  
> 
> But each team would have a name.  (Maybe even
> Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, 
> Slytherin and Gryffindor.)  When they post about
> their team's work, 
> they could use a prefix.  So if I were on Slytherin,
> and I wanted to 
> ask confer with my teammates Ali, Tom and Derannimer
> about an outline 
> I had drafted for the Harry FP, then I'd post under
> a subject 
> header:  "SLYTHERIN:  Harry FP Rulebreaking
> Outline."
> 
> That way, anyone with time to read everything can do
> so.  Those 
> without time can easily skip based on the prefixes
> and just keep up 
> with what their own team is doing.  Those who aren't
> moving very fast 
> will see that other teams are working like house
> elves.  And we'll be 
> able to send free agents to help any team that is
> struggling or 
> falling behind.   

Neato!

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. 

On a couple of other topics: 

Ali wrote:
> Would anyone want to be a Slytherin or Hufflepuff? 

Erm. 

<thinks>

Well, I suppose I wouldn't mind if that's what we wind up doing. But not Hufflepuff -- 
they're a lot o' duffers. ; )
 
> I think if we did all work on one FP, it would be
> unworkable. But 
> what is there to stop us from having teams of people
> working on 
> particular sections of a FP? This way, we would not
> be falling over 
> ourselves. I just feel that we really should have a
> FP on Harry by 
> now. 
> 
> >snip<
>
> I personally believe that Harry should be our
> priority. I also think 
> that if Hagrid is indeed toast in OoP, then he
> should be 
> prioritised - if we keep an eye out for Hagrid
> posts.
> 
> I have still got my Quidditch post to do, and I will
> do it, although 
> it will really be a practical document rather than a
> work of 
> literary merit. It is *only* Quidditch after all
> <bg>.

Er, well, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to shove my oar in at this point -- I'm still 
feeling very newbie-like -- but it does seem to me that Harry should be a priority; I'd 
be willing to help write that, if necessary. And Hagrid, 'cause he *is* toast, Eileen's 
really quite compelling Lupin theory notwithstanding. 

But, er, it occurs to me that *another* big priority -- and one I'd probably be far more 
interested in researching/writing (pleasepleaseplease?) is the one on the Wizarding 
World's government. 

Because it quite frankly sounded to me when I read the --

SPOILER 

CARD

(What's our spoiler policy again? 'Cause there's going to be one right here.)

<pauses to let any hold-outs run away>








-- that OOP is going to be at *least* as concerned with the issues at the Ministry as it 
is with the fight against Voldemort and the DE's. All that emphasis on the unreliability 
of the magical government. In fact, if I may make a prediction -- though not my 
*one* prediction -- the Ministry may not survive OOP, and almost certainly not 6. I 
don't expect this to remain a two-front war for the next three books. Sadly, because 
that would be cool. 

But anyway, it sounds like there's going to be a lot of Ministry stuff in the next book 
-- and anyway, even pre-OOP, there's been 

<bows to Elkins and Eileen>

a lot of brilliant stuff about the Crouches that could easily be included in an updated 
FAQ.

As for Amanda's question about preserving the old
FAQ's -- I guess I'm kind of in two minds on this one at the moment. On the one 
hand, historical
preservation -- if that doesn't sound too horrendously pompous -- would be a nice 
thing to have. And I'm a huge fan of the current FAQ's. On the other hand, there seem 
to be some. . . I don't know, logistical difficulties.
 
For one thing. . . well, what if we have to wait
*another* three years for Book Six? At that point do we start a *third* set of FAQ's? 
And if not, why not? Surely the output between Five and Six could be as excellent as 
the output between Four and Five; so why would we preserve the one and not the 
other? It just seems that at that point a lot of newer members -- I expect we'll have a 
lot post-OOP -- would get miffed. But if we do that, and do it again between Six and 
Seven, and again at the end of the series, we'll end up with about five sets of FAQ's, 
and I guess at that point it starts sounding a bit unwieldy.

For another thing, though. . . I'm not quite sure how to put this. But it seems if we're 
gonna have two sets of FAQ's -- classic FAQ's and new FAQ's -- then the division 
between the two should be something like pre-OOP and post-OOP. Because that 
signal a real sea-change in the group's thinking, and be a clearly logical division 
point. But we *haven't* fully updated the FAQ's pre-OOP, and it seems just kinda 
arbitrary to have the old ones break off at the as-far-as-we-happened-to-get-to-
them point and then have the new ones continue with a lot of pre-OOP posts in them. 
Now we could leave the old FAQ's as they are and then just start the new ones with 
post-OOP posts; but a lot would fall through the cracks.
 
Including the Crouch Novenna.
 
And it seems to me that any catalogue of Fantastic
Posts that misses the Crouch Novenna has got some
fairly serious problems.

Er.
 
Hope I wasn't too obnoxious or anything. And that I didn't embarrass Elkins too 
much.
 
 
 
 
Derannimer, making like she actually knows something about all of this




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 01:03:44 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:03:44 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc5lp7+69rd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc5v5g+qrbk@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
But each team would have a name. (Maybe even Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, 
Slytherin and Gryffindor.) When they post about their team's work, 
they could use a prefix. So if I were on Slytherin, and I wanted to 
ask confer with my teammates Ali, Tom and Derannimer about an outline 
I had drafted for the Harry FP, then I'd post under a subject 
header: "SLYTHERIN: Harry FP Rulebreaking Outline."

That way, anyone with time to read everything can do so. Those 
without time can easily skip based on the prefixes and just keep up 
with what their own team is doing. Those who aren't moving very fast 
will see that other teams are working like house elves. And we'll be 
able to send free agents to help any team that is struggling or 
falling behind. 

Tom replies:
Oh, a prefix is a great idea!

And, if anyone doesn't want to be a Slytherin (as someone who doesn't 
think all Slytherins are evil, I wouldn't totally mind this, but 
still) or a Hufflepuff, then we could always just use the name of the 
FAQ we're writing. "Harry: Protections" or "GOVT: Elections in the 
Ministry" could probably work as well, with the added bonus of 
members not having to think: "Hmm, what was Ravenclaw working on 
again?"

Oh, and also, keeping these discussions on-list sounds like a great 
way to make sure that nothing's lost or accidentally trashed.

Originally, I thought that we'd communicate via e-mail, but thought 
that stuff could get lost, inboxes clogged, important messages 
bounced back (this is occasionally a problem for me) and so forth.

One question: do we have the storage capacity to support all of those 
messages? 


Derannimer added:
But, er, it occurs to me that *another* big priority -- and one I'd 
probably be far more interested in researching/writing 
(pleasepleaseplease?) is the one on the Wizarding World's government.

Tom:
Yeah - I love this kind of stuff, too! If it's not a major priority, 
it could be saved for later, but I think that you're right on about 
the government's significance and relevance pre- and post-OOP. I can 
remember some great discussions about 'elections' and 'possible 
connections with muggle governments' (like the idea that the MoM is 
somehow a secret part of the UK's existing govt) that could be part 
of a great FAQ.

I also agree that Harry should probably be a main goal, for now.

-Tom





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 11 01:53:59 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:53:59 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc5v5g+qrbk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc623n+pkt3@eGroups.com>

Tom:

> Oh, a prefix is a great idea!
> 
>we could always just use the name of the 
> FAQ we're writing. "Harry: Protections" or "GOVT: Elections in the 
> Ministry" could probably work as well, with the added bonus of 
> members not having to think: "Hmm, what was Ravenclaw working on 
> again?"

Uh, yeah.  Good point.  Using the name of the actual FP is more 
practical.  <wince>  How come I didn't think of that?

Cindy -- whose first impulse is usually the silly over the practical




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 02:18:20 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bc623n+pkt3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030611021821.44892.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote:
> Tom:
> 
> > Oh, a prefix is a great idea!
> > 
> >we could always just use the name of the 
> > FAQ we're writing. "Harry: Protections" or "GOVT:
> Elections in the 
> > Ministry" could probably work as well, with the
> added bonus of 
> > members not having to think: "Hmm, what was
> Ravenclaw working on 
> > again?"
> 
> Uh, yeah.  Good point.  Using the name of the actual
> FP is more 
> practical.  <wince>  How come I didn't think of
> that?

Oh, but. . . 

. . . well. . . 

. . . I kind of thought it would be fun to have team
names.

<quickly> 

I mean, not that it's necessary or anything, or
particularly practical. . . 

. . . but it would be kinda fun. I think. You know.
Names. Although we wouldn't have to have a secret
handshake. Or anything. 

<Derannimer feels a bit embarrassed.>

>Cindy -- whose first impulse is usually the silly
over the practical
 
   
   

Derannimer, who doesn't think that it's all *that*
silly

; )

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From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun 11 02:51:06 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:51:06 -0500
Subject: FAQ "volume" idea
Message-ID: <008b01c32fc4$4f419760$5705a6d8@texas.net>

I told Cindy last night that I'd try to get this down for the group....it'll
be sketchy, I lifted it from a YM and I don't have time to streamline. It is
an idea for your perusal and discussion.

Me: Building on an earlier suggestion, that we make new "volumes" of each
FAQ as new books come out...I think by-book ones would keep more of the
older stuff available and relevant. The "as we go" development of our
theorizing. We could even have "rooms" on the server for the different
stages.

Cindy: For instance, Mysteries and Predictions definitely have to be
book-by-book. And we could just include the old one as a link in the new
one, for the oldest FPs.

Me: It would also (she wonders if Cindy has noticed) take some of the time
pressure off, since you can stop at X date (release date) and start from
there to do the more current, then go back and do the older....

Cindy: The other problem is that some of the "volumes" haven't been written
yet. Hagrid, Harry.

Me: Not a problem. You have the message numbers that go in each "volume."
Just forge ahead. Start collecting the OoP volume posts on the 22nd. You
will have the Books 1-4 posts already. Separate tasks.

[this is me now, not last night]--this allows the earlier FAQs to stand; if
there was any writing of text, there will be not infringing on authorship.
It will let the earlier FAQs serve as "time capsules" as well as keeping us
from "losing" all the older thought and conjecture. And it will keep the
FAQs from becoming enormous, unweildy things (which several already are).

Okay, whaddya think?

~Amanda, blithely throwing out ideas with no idea of the techno-requirements
behind them






From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 05:28:08 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:28:08 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues and What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <20030611021821.44892.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bc6el8+ku5p@eGroups.com>


Nothing new here, just a bunch of 'me too's.  I agree with Tom and 
Cindy's thoughts on organizing the group's efforts, and I think the 
prefix idea is a very good one.  I, for one, think team names are a 
great idea, and I don't mind being a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff (after 
all, according to both online sorting hats I belong in Hufflepuff so 
Slytherin would in certain ways be an improvement).  A little 
inter-house competition probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

As for the fate of the soon-to-be 'classic' FAQs, I agree with 
Derannimer that it seems a bit unfair to seal them when in fact we 
haven't written so many of them, but that is the situation as it 
stands.  I think it only makes sense that when we write new FAQs, 
we write them from the perspective of OOP, which means that if 
we discover definitively in OOP that Harry is the Heir of Gryffindor, 
the rest of the theories regarding him shouldn't go in the FAQ.

What we might want to consider, though, is a dead theories 
basement - a place for good theories that were proven wrong.  It 
would provide an interesting historical perspective, and who knows, 
some of those theories might be rehashed into new forms.  We 
might write in this hypothetical Harry FP that 'the group advanced 
theories A,B and C to explain Harry's importance, and in OOP we 
learned that B was the correct one', where A and C would point to 
the dead theoris segment of the FP, and only B would be expanded 
on.

Tom, if you look on the upper or lower right corners of the group 
message index you'll see that we've only used up 1% of our alloted 
space.  I wouldn't worry about list volume getting out of hand.  After 
all, most of us manage to make heads and tails out of the main group, 
which has 7000+ members and dozens, if not hundreds, of posts a 
day, so a 40-member, weekly update group shouldn't be a problem.  
(By the way, Tom, was that you who said that he now reads two 
groups?  Does that mean you don't read OT-Chatter?  I really 
recommend it if you don't.)

In closing, I've had a potentially unpleasant thought.  Like several other respondanats 
to this thread, I would also like to work on the Harry FP, but now I've been wondering 
what happens if too many people want to work on a certain designated FP and not on 
any of the others.  I know, I'm just stirring up trouble with this, but I suspect the 
question will come up.

Abigail
Late for class.




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 11 12:45:20 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:45:20 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues 
In-Reply-To: <bc6el8+ku5p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc7890+gsn5@eGroups.com>

<Cindy looks around proudly to realize she is surrounded by people 
who like silly names>

Abigail:

> As for the fate of the soon-to-be 'classic' FAQs, I agree with 
> Derannimer that it seems a bit unfair to seal them when in fact we 
> haven't written so many of them, but that is the situation as it 
> stands.  I think it only makes sense that when we write new FAQs, 
> we write them from the perspective of OOP, which means that if 
> we discover definitively in OOP that Harry is the Heir of 
Gryffindor, 
> the rest of the theories regarding him shouldn't go in the FAQ.

Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.

I'm still perplexed by the proposal of taking an episodic approach to 
the FPs.  For instance, let's say we don't start writing a Hagrid FP 
until January 2004.  Does it include everything about Hagrid written 
on the list since its inception?  If so, is the Hagrid FP itself 
divided into pre-OoP and post-OoP?  (If so, that sort of requirement 
might make it difficult to organize the FP efficiently.)  If some 
theories or topics are settled in OoP, then what?

Amanda:

>this allows the earlier FAQs to stand; if
>there was any writing of text, there will be not infringing on 
>authorship.


Ah.  Maybe we should talk about this.  

When I worked on the History FP and helped update the Mysteries FP, I 
kind of assumed that others would come along later and edit (or even 
scrap) the FP.  So if I were updating Pettigrew, for instance, I'd 
just take it and do whatever I thought was needed to make it up to 
date and as good as it could be.  I'd credit the original author, of 
course:  "by Aberforth's Goat and Cindy."  I'd also run the final 
draft past the original author in case I had butchered anything 
important.

Is that the assumption others have had?  It might be helpful if 
authors of our existing FPs weighed in on this authorship issue.  


Abigail:

> What we might want to consider, though, is a dead theories 
> basement - a place for good theories that were proven wrong.  

I think this is another good idea.  This could be part of 
the "Mysteries FP" perhaps.  And we could call it either "Azkaban" or 
the dungeon or something else.  Something silly.  ;-)

Abigail:

>It would provide an interesting historical perspective, and who 
>knows, some of those theories might be rehashed into new forms.  

And surely some people will take pleasure in trying to revive an old, 
dead theory with some new canon.

Abigail:

> In closing, I've had a potentially unpleasant thought.  Like 
>several other respondanats to this thread, I would also like to work 
>on the Harry FP, but now I've been wondering what happens if too 
>many people want to work on a certain designated FP and not on 
> any of the others.  I know, I'm just stirring up trouble with this, 
>but I suspect the question will come up.

I'm thinking we probably won't have too many problems with too many 
people wanting to do the same FP.  Regarding Harry, I imagine his FP 
will be huge, so it may require 6 people.  On balance, I do hope we 
can find a way to make sure everyone works on things that appeal to 
them, though.  I think we should make that high priority.

Anyway, when we return from OoP and consult the polls about which FPs 
are a priority, we can set up a poll that would allow people to sign 
up for the FP that interests them.

Cindy




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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 11 12:52:45 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:52:45 -0000
Subject: Does Anyone Have Time . . . 
Message-ID: <bc78mt+7n6u@eGroups.com>

 . . . to finish off the list of "Rock-Solid Predictions?"  Dicey 
created a file and added entries going up through her own prediction, 
but I need to go through the posts and add in all the others.  Seeing 
as how I promised right out on the main list that I would.  <wince>

I can take care of it, but I'm also trying to update the Posting Hall 
of Fame, which will be some work.  I can get to the Predictions file 
eventually, but it would be great if someone else can run with it.

It's currently in the Files section here, and when it is finished it 
can be uploaded to the Main List Files section.

Cindy




From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 13:36:31 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:36:31 -0000
Subject: Brainstorming Organizational Issues
In-Reply-To: <bc7890+gsn5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc7b8v+6va5@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> 
wrote:
> Abigail:
> 
> >I think it only makes sense that when we write new FAQs, 
> > we write them from the perspective of OOP, which means that if 
> > we discover definitively in OOP that Harry is the Heir of 
> Gryffindor, 
> > the rest of the theories regarding him shouldn't go in the FAQ.
> 
> Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
> 
> I'm still perplexed by the proposal of taking an episodic approach 
to 
> the FPs.  For instance, let's say we don't start writing a Hagrid 
FP 
> until January 2004.  Does it include everything about Hagrid 
written 
> on the list since its inception?  If so, is the Hagrid FP itself 
> divided into pre-OoP and post-OoP?  (If so, that sort of 
requirement 
> might make it difficult to organize the FP efficiently.)  If some 
> theories or topics are settled in OoP, then what?

I think you've raised an important question here.  It's a painful 
truth, but every single FP will have to be updated after OOP to 
reflect the new canon.  In the best cases, updating will "simply" 
include adding new discussions which consider the additional canon.  
I think we can wait on that for a few months, as it will probably 
take that long for truly stand-out, coherent arguments to emerge on 
the group.  However, say we write the Hagrid FP, but because of the 
dearth of good posts on the group we have little to add with regards 
to, say, Hagrid's tearful reunion with his mother is OOP.  Can we 
still post the FP if it ignores such important issues?

In the case of theories, however, the situation is trickier.  OOP 
will do one of three things to any given theory:

1. OOP will disprove the theory, in which case the theory no longer 
belongs in the FP.  I suggested a dead theories basement, to which 
Cindy respnonded:
 
> I think this is another good idea.  This could be part of 
> the "Mysteries FP" perhaps.  And we could call iteither "Azkaban"  
> or the dungeon or something else.  Something silly.  ;-)

(Aside: brilliant!  I tried to find a clever name and somehow I 
missed this one!)

2. OOP will neither prove nor disprove the theory.  In this case OOP 
will provide new canon which will have to be incorporated into the 
theory.  Again, until the group catches up, there's nothing for us 
to do.  

3. OOP will prove the theory.  This is actually the worst case.  If 
a theory has been proven then it is no longer a theory.  Is there 
any need to hold on to pre-GoF messages that suggest that Harry will 
go to the QWC in GoF, or that Cedric Diggory will play a larger role 
in that book?  Disproven theories can be taken apart for spare parts 
and used to fuel new ideas, but a proven theory is simply stating 
the obvious.  In this case, is there any justification for keeping 
the FP or HA essay that mentions this theory?

I've also been wondering when any of you want to get to work.  
Personally, I won't be available to do any work until the end of 
July, so obviously I would prefer that we start then, but that may 
not work for everyone.

Abigail




From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Jun 11 13:38:29 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:38:29 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Brainstorming Organizational Issues
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1576131542.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

: bounces in without intro post, which I hope to do today

As many of you know, hpfgu predated GoF, so there were tonnes of predictions, in the first 9 months of the list's existence, about what would be in GoF. If those were used in the faqs at all, it was to give historical perspective and show the genesis of some post-GoF theories. So perhaps having a 4-5 para section summarizing some of the pre-ootp theories in the faqs written after ootp would be a good working model?
-----Original Message-----
From: "abigailnus" <abigailnus at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:36:31 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Brainstorming Organizational Issues

Real-To:  "abigailnus" <abigailnus at yahoo.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> 
wrote:
> Abigail:
> 
> >I think it only makes sense that when we write new FAQs, 
> > we write them from the perspective of OOP, which means that if 
> > we discover definitively in OOP that Harry is the Heir of 
> Gryffindor, 
> > the rest of the theories regarding him shouldn't go in the FAQ.
> 
> Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
> 
> I'm still perplexed by the proposal of taking an episodic approach 
to 
> the FPs.  For instance, let's say we don't start writing a Hagrid 
FP 
> until January 2004.  Does it include everything about Hagrid 
written 
> on the list since its inception?  If so, is the Hagrid FP itself 
> divided into pre-OoP and post-OoP?  (If so, that sort of 
requirement 
> might make it difficult to organize the FP efficiently.)  If some 
> theories or topics are settled in OoP, then what?

I think you've raised an important question here.  It's a painful 
truth, but every single FP will have to be updated after OOP to 
reflect the new canon.  In the best cases, updating will "simply" 
include adding new discussions which consider the additional canon.  
I think we can wait on that for a few months, as it will probably 
take that long for truly stand-out, coherent arguments to emerge on 
the group.  However, say we write the Hagrid FP, but because of the 
dearth of good posts on the group we have little to add with regards 
to, say, Hagrid's tearful reunion with his mother is OOP.  Can we 
still post the FP if it ignores such important issues?

In the case of theories, however, the situation is trickier.  OOP 
will do one of three things to any given theory:

1. OOP will disprove the theory, in which case the theory no longer 
belongs in the FP.  I suggested a dead theories basement, to which 
Cindy respnonded:
 
> I think this is another good idea.  This could be part of 
> the "Mysteries FP" perhaps.  And we could call iteither "Azkaban"  
> or the dungeon or something else.  Something silly.  ;-)

(Aside: brilliant!  I tried to find a clever name and somehow I 
missed this one!)

2. OOP will neither prove nor disprove the theory.  In this case OOP 
will provide new canon which will have to be incorporated into the 
theory.  Again, until the group catches up, there's nothing for us 
to do.  

3. OOP will prove the theory.  This is actually the worst case.  If 
a theory has been proven then it is no longer a theory.  Is there 
any need to hold on to pre-GoF messages that suggest that Harry will 
go to the QWC in GoF, or that Cedric Diggory will play a larger role 
in that book?  Disproven theories can be taken apart for spare parts 
and used to fuel new ideas, but a proven theory is simply stating 
the obvious.  In this case, is there any justification for keeping 
the FP or HA essay that mentions this theory?

I've also been wondering when any of you want to get to work.  
Personally, I won't be available to do any work until the end of 
July, so obviously I would prefer that we start then, but that may 
not work for everyone.

Abigail



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From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 15:26:48 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Does Anyone Have Time . . .
In-Reply-To: <bc78mt+7n6u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030611152648.11148.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote:
>  . . . to finish off the list of "Rock-Solid
> Predictions?"  Dicey 
> created a file and added entries going up through
> her own prediction, 
> but I need to go through the posts and add in all
> the others.  Seeing 
> as how I promised right out on the main list that I
> would.  <wince>
> 
> I can take care of it, but I'm also trying to update
> the Posting Hall 
> of Fame, which will be some work.  I can get to the
> Predictions file 
> eventually, but it would be great if someone else
> can run with it.
> 
> It's currently in the Files section here, and when
> it is finished it 
> can be uploaded to the Main List Files section.

Er, well, I'd have the time, and I'll have a shot at
it -- I've been reading that thread, and it's rather a
fun one. I'll probably run into some hideously
embarrassing
situation-that-wouldn't-be-a-technical-difficulty-to-anyone-else-on-the-list
and have to put out a general S.O.S., but I'll have a
shot at it. ; )


Derannimer

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From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 11 18:27:00 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Does Anyone Have Time . . .
In-Reply-To: <20030611152648.11148.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030611182700.71926.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

Right, well, finished the predictions file through
Message Number 60015. I have to say, my favorite has
gotta be that great "Lucius Malfoy is the new Minister
of Magic theory." Ooh, that would be so cool.



Derannimer, who is willing to do future updates as
they become necessary -- or not, if someone else would
rather have them

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 11 19:55:31 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:55:31 -0000
Subject: Does Anyone Have Time . . .
In-Reply-To: <20030611182700.71926.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bc81fj+kd5j@eGroups.com>

Thanks so much, Derannimer!

How about we keep an eye out for the rest of the week and see if 
anyone else makes a prediction?  When the thread is good and dead, we 
could move it to the main list (files section?) or OTC?

As for me, I managed to finish the Hall of Fame update.  It was much 
easier than last time, thankfully.  

I'll upload it here and you can let me know if I should change 
anything before Porphyria adds it to the History FP.  I've asked MEG 
if they want to post it or upload it to the main list or anything.

Cindy -- who has no plans to update the Movie Hall of Fame because, 
well, no




From HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com  Wed Jun 11 19:56:25 2003
From: HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com (HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 11 Jun 2003 19:56:25 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ 
Message-ID: <1055361385.9861.15137.w29@yahoogroups.com>


Hello,

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 11 20:21:09 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:21:09 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1055361385.9861.15137.w29@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc82vl+ma42@eGroups.com>

Oh, I forgot some stuff . . . 

First, the Hall of Fame only includes posters with 100 or more posts.

Second, I'm not familiar with some of the newer posters, so if you 
see that I've spelled something wrong, let me know.

Thanks.

Cindy


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HP4GU-FAQ 
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> 
> You can access this file at the URL
> 
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> 
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From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Thu Jun 12 01:08:44 2003
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:08:44 -0000
Subject: The Story of Kari, Lucky Kari
In-Reply-To: <bc5kt5+fcmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bc8jqs+p78n@eGroups.com>

> Cindy -- wondering what "lucky kari" means

OK. There were once a bunch of Icelanders living in Iceland. But one
Icelander came to another Icelander's house and insulted the
seven-year-old daughter of the other Icelander's character. This
resulted in a feud that became another feud that became another feud
etc. etc. known as Njal's Saga.

The pertinent part of the story involves Njal's sons, who go out
Vikinging and meet up with an Orkneyman by the name of Kari. They
become swell friends raiding the coast, sinking ships, and feasting.
Eventually, Kari takes up their invitation and goes home with them to
Iceland, where he fast becomes a family favourite, and marries Njal's
daughter.

Unfortunately, the feuding continues, and everyone in Njal's family
gets burnt alive. Except for "Kari, Lucky Kari" who sneaks out. Kari
immediately sets himself to revenging his in-laws. He stalks the
burners and kills them one by one. After he's killed everyone except
the leader, Grani, Kari and Grani reconcile and become best friends.
Kari marries the  widow of one of his murder victims. 

I'd just read the Njal saga when I got my email address. Kari was
cool, not least because I'm very proud of my Orkney blood, and I was
being tough and Livian at the time. 

It's great stuff. At least one death a page. Usually more. 

So, that's why Elkins keeps making those remarks about Viking helmets.

Eileen




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun 12 11:57:33 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:57:33 -0000
Subject: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
Message-ID: <bc9prd+jp9u@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I just sent an invite to Elf David.  One of David's unofficial 
functions on MEG is "Generator of Cool Statistics," and for some 
reason I am not able to send him the Magical Spreadsheets via e-
mail.  So I sent him an invite.

<waves to David>

Maybe if we all sit up straight and don't talk with food in our 
mouths we can entice David to stay?  Or we could just do what we 
usually do and simply kidnap him outright.  ;-)

Cindy -- enjoying the sushi




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun 12 22:51:05 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:51:05 -0000
Subject: OoP Spoilers on FAQ
In-Reply-To: <bbqkef+s2v3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcb04p+a3kf@eGroups.com>

Just to close this out . . . 

How about we say we've agreed that we won't post spoilers here pre-
OoP, but after release, spoilers are fine here.

Going, going . . . .

Cindy


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" <erisedstraeh2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
> 
> > Maybe we should all try not to mention spoilers of any kind here 
> > before June 21?  
> 
> I second that idea - I've been trying to avoid the spoilers!
> 
> Cindy again:
>  
> > Shall we assume that no one will log on here until they've read 
the 
> > book such that we don't have to worry about posting spoilers 
here?  
> 
> This sounds like the best option to me since presumably a lot of 
the 
> workload post-OoP will involve posts that discuss OoP.  However, 
I'm 
> fortunate to be able to obtain the book on June 21, so I would 
defer 
> to those who have to wait for their copy.  
> 
> ~Phyllis




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Fri Jun 13 01:08:08 2003
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:08:08 -0000
Subject: Weasley FP?
In-Reply-To: <bcb04p+a3kf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcb85o+jh35@eGroups.com>

As Gryffindor prefect, is any interested in being sorted into our
House?  In other words, anyone interested in joining the Weasley FP
with me? It'll be great fun. 

Eileen




From jmmears at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 03:34:33 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:34:33 -0000
Subject: Weasley FP?
In-Reply-To: <bcb85o+jh35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcbgo9+b6eb@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "lucky_kari" <lucky_kari at y...> 
wrote:
> As Gryffindor prefect, is any interested in being sorted into our
> House?  In other words, anyone interested in joining the Weasley FP
> with me? It'll be great fun. 
> 
> Eileen


Yes, please.  I'd love to be part of the Weasley FP.
Sign me up!

Jo Serenadust




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jun 13 09:58:47 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:58:47 -0000
Subject: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
In-Reply-To: <bc9prd+jp9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcc78n+qatc@eGroups.com>

Cindy announced:
> 
> I just sent an invite to Elf David.  One of David's unofficial 
> functions on MEG is "Generator of Cool Statistics," and for some 
> reason I am not able to send him the Magical Spreadsheets via e-
> mail.  So I sent him an invite.
> 
> <waves to David>

<waves back>

Thank you, Cindy.  I've found the latest version (HPfGU Main List 
Spreadsheet II.xls, I think there's a funny block near the 
beginning).  The other is hpfgu-postsum.zip isn't it?  I also nabbed 
the enchilada while I was at it, if that's OK (I can delete it if 
you don't like).  It's really impressive.  Who invented this keyword 
thingy you are doing?

I think I made the right decision a year ago not to join this list, 
though.  Just too time consuming.

Did Cindy explain MEG is the admin team - stands for mods elves 
geists so technically the name is obsolete now.

> Maybe if we all sit up straight and don't talk with food in our 
> mouths we can entice David to stay?  Or we could just do what we 
> usually do and simply kidnap him outright.  ;-)

No, no, just carry on.  But...

Some interesting people around here.  Morgan, Derannimer, Phyllis - 
do you know what you are getting into with this bunch?  Charis 
Julia - the crash course in Demotic and, er, the other one, was 
fascinating.  Ah, Kathaverousa - I went back and memorised the 
spelling and typed it out from memory - that way I can be sure of 
impressing somebody some day as you never know when you may meet, 
say, an EU Greek translator.

Oh, and I did my standard paranoia thing and searched on my own 
name - reminds me I never *did* follow up that JKR's priorities post 
as Penny asked.

I probably ought not to hang around really - it's just too tempting 
and I'd only distract you all (and vice versa).  It's not as if I'd 
do any actual work here.

David




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 11:05:47 2003
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
In-Reply-To: <bcc78n+qatc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030613110547.60108.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>

Sidney Poitier wrote:

> I probably ought not to hang around really - it's
> just too tempting 
> and I'd only distract you all (and vice versa). 
> It's not as if I'd 
> do any actual work here.

Yeah, well, I've been sitting on my FP for well over a
year now, and done practically zilch in the
keyword-entering department.  They haven't kicked me
out yet, though they ought to.

Amy

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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 13 11:08:33 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:08:33 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Weasley FP?
Message-ID: <Law8-F262dgsLH7P7ZF0002ffb2@hotmail.com>


Eileen Wrote:

> > As Gryffindor prefect, is any interested in being sorted into our
> > House?  In other words, anyone interested in joining the Weasley FP
> > with me? It'll be great fun.

Jo Serendust Replied:

>Yes, please.  I'd love to be part of the Weasley FP.
>Sign me up!

I Ask:

Oh, did I miss something?  We're already canvassing?   What are the other 
FAQ teams working on?  In other words, what are my options?

-Gail

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 12:32:54 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:32:54 -0000
Subject: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
In-Reply-To: <bcc78n+qatc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bccg9m+p24q@eGroups.com>

David, perched at the rickety card table in the kitchen, his drink 
sloshing dangerously with each wobble, wrote:

>I've found the latest version (HPfGU Main List 
> Spreadsheet II.xls, I think there's a funny block near the 
> beginning).  

Uh . . . huh?  I don't speak Tech; it's Chinese to me!



>The other is hpfgu-postsum.zip isn't it?  

Uh . . . . 


>I also nabbed the enchilada while I was at it, if that's OK (I can 
>delete it if you don't like).  

Oh, *great!*  Shoving the very best silverware into our pockets 
already, are we?  :-D

Absolutely, have a serving of enchilada.  Don't forget to have a side 
order of the keyword definitions after you convert them into 
printable format.


>It's really impressive.  Who invented this keyword thingy you are 
>doing?

Well, *me,* of course!

<glances nervously at FAQers>

OK, fine.  I had nothing to do with it.  :-D


 
> I think I made the right decision a year ago not to join this list, 
> though.  Just too time consuming.

Well . . . having enticed you to duck your head in, I'll see if I can 
entice you to stay.  David, you seem to know a thing or two 
about ::shudder:: math.  And statistics.  So if you like, you can be 
our Co-Head Statistician with Simon.  Wouldn't be much work, you 
see.  Just helping do the Hall of Fame now and then and grinding out 
statistics as people might need them while working on their FPs and 
such. 

We're probably going to adopt a prefixing system so that you could 
skip the messages where you're not needed.  You and Simon would have 
to have your own team name/prefix, though.  I'm thinking "Quidditch" 
because you'd swoop down on your brooms when needed.

 
> Did Cindy explain MEG is the admin team - stands for mods elves 
> geists so technically the name is obsolete now.


"MEG" is obsolete?  You expect me to type "The List Administration 
Team?"  Or "TLAT?"  <pouts>

I say "MEG" will never be obsolete.  "MEG" stands for "Most Excellent 
Guidance."  Hasn't that always been the case?  :-D

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 12:40:31 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:40:31 -0000
Subject: Weasley FP?
In-Reply-To: <Law8-F262dgsLH7P7ZF0002ffb2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <bccgnv+i5av@eGroups.com>

Eileen, after grabbing the very best house name, wrote:

>As Gryffindor prefect, is any interested in being sorted into our
>House?  In other words, anyone interested in joining the Weasley FP
> with me? It'll be great fun.
> 
> Jo Serendust Replied:
> 
> >Yes, please.  I'd love to be part of the Weasley FP.
> >Sign me up!
> 
Gail:  

> Oh, did I miss something?  We're already canvassing?   What are the 
>other FAQ teams working on?  In other words, what are my options?

You didn't miss anything.  I guess we should think about when we want 
to do team assignments.

Let's see.  The polls suggest that the top new FPs at the moment are 
Harry (12 votes), DEs/Aurors/Justice (10), Lupin (9) and Dumbledore 
(6 votes)-- all subject to change, of course.

But then again, Eileen has always been *very* interested in working 
on a Weasley update . . . We'd hate to disappoint her . . . 

If you guys want, we could go ahead and do tentative team 
assignments.  You know, just an indication of interest at this 
point.  It might make some sense to do this now because most of us 
are around, but after OoP it will take some time to round everyone 
up.  There is the chance that the votes will shift after OoP, but I 
guess we can decide that later.  

Should we turn to this now, do you think?  

Cindy -- who thinks that the DEs team should be named "Slytherin"




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Fri Jun 13 13:21:17 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:21:17 -0000
Subject: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
In-Reply-To: <bccg9m+p24q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bccj4d+rpm3@eGroups.com>

Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

> David, perched at the rickety card table in the kitchen, his drink 
> sloshing dangerously with each wobble, wrote:
> 
> >I've found the latest version (HPfGU Main List 
> > Spreadsheet II.xls, I think there's a funny block near the 
> > beginning).  
> 
> Uh . . . huh?  I don't speak Tech; it's Chinese to me!

I mean rows 31-80.  They are blank except for June 11 in the first 
column.

> So if you like, you can be 
> our Co-Head Statistician with Simon.  Wouldn't be much work, you 
> see.  Just helping do the Hall of Fame now and then and grinding 
out 
> statistics as people might need them while working on their FPs 
and 
> such. 

Does Simon feel he requires an assistant?

> We're probably going to adopt a prefixing system so that you could 
> skip the messages where you're not needed.

<Hollow laugh> It's because I always go straight for the messages 
not intended for me that I need to stay away.

Glad you liked the 'JKR's priorities' post, BTW ;-)

> You and Simon would have 
> to have your own team name/prefix, though.  I'm 
thinking "Quidditch" 
> because you'd swoop down on your brooms when needed.

Doesn't the intellectual content of the work suggest "Fake Wand 
Swordfight" might be better?
 
> "MEG" is obsolete?  You expect me to type "The List Administration 
> Team?"  Or "TLAT?"  <pouts>

Oh no, "You there! Elf! Where's my sushi?" will do.

David




From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 13:43:54 2003
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (kippesp)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:43:54 -0000
Subject: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
In-Reply-To: <bccj4d+rpm3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcckeq+pu70@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "David" <dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:
> 
> > David, perched at the rickety card table in the kitchen, his 
drink 
> > sloshing dangerously with each wobble, wrote:
> > 
> > >I've found the latest version (HPfGU Main List 
> > > Spreadsheet II.xls, I think there's a funny block near the 
> > > beginning).  
> > 
> > Uh . . . huh?  I don't speak Tech; it's Chinese to me!
> 
> I mean rows 31-80.  They are blank except for June 11 in the first 
> column.

If I remember correctly, during that period, Yahoo had some trouble 
and lost those messages.  Since I pull the archive from the Group, I 
don't have them.

Note: If we reupload this .xls file and ZIP it, it will only be 700K 
rather than 2 MB.




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Fri Jun 13 14:39:53 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:39:53 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Hello !
Message-ID: <E519D13F-9DAC-11D7-A2E7-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Here's a new one:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: sorellina s <sorellina at lavache.com>
> Date: Fri Jun 13, 2003  9:21:25 AM US/Eastern
> To: porphyria at mindspring.com
> Subject: Hello !
>
> Hello !
>
> I've been running through your website a few days ago and I find it
> really really great and useful ! I'd be delighted to translate it in
> french if you want to, what do you think ?
>
> Bravo again for your site !
> EmmaJess
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Powered by Alinto (http://www.alinto.net)
>         for lavache.com (http://www.lavacheautomatique.com)
>




From morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 14:55:12 2003
From: morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com (Morgan D.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] OoP Spoilers on FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1055502469.238.27515.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030613145512.72341.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com>

About OoP Spoilers on FAQ, Cindy said:
> How about we say we've agreed that we won't post spoilers here pre-
> OoP, but after release, spoilers are fine here.

That would force me to stay away from this group entirely until I get
to read OotP, which won't happen before the first weeks of July. So
it's not only the spoilers I won't be reading -- I won't get any posts
concerning the FP's structuring and organisation, if there's any. 

So if you think that during the period there might be important,
spoiler-free messages that we should all read immediately... we'd have
to think of a way of making sure we will be able to read it right away,
no matter if we've read the book already or not.


And David commented:
> Some interesting people around here.  Morgan, Derannimer, Phyllis - 
> do you know what you are getting into with this bunch? 

Me? Nope, not at all. ^__^


Morgan D.
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From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 16:02:59 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:02:59 -0000
Subject: DE's, Aurors, Justice
Message-ID: <bccsjj+nh3i@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

>Let's see. The polls suggest that the top new FPs at the 
>moment are Harry (12 votes), DEs/Aurors/Justice (10), Lupin 
>(9) and Dumbledore (6 votes)-- all subject to change, of course.

>But then again, Eileen has always been *very* interested in 
>working on a Weasley update . . . We'd hate to disappoint her . .  

>If you guys want, we could go ahead and do tentative team 
>assignments. You know, just an indication of interest at this 
>point. It might make some sense to do this now because most 
>of us are around, but after OoP it will take some time to round 
>everyone up. There is the chance that the votes will shift after 
>OoP, but I guess we can decide that later. 

>Should we turn to this now, do you think? 

>Cindy -- who thinks that the DEs team should be named 
>"Slytherin"

Ooh, ooh! Me wanna do DE's! Me wanna be a Slytherin!

Really, I'd be quite interested in working on that FAQ. 



Derannimer, who is also trying to put dibs on a job in "Magical 
Government" when we get around to working that, and who 
thinks that the two might easily have to be cross-referenced in 
some manner. (Especially if Lucius Malfoy becomes the new 
Minister of Magic.)





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 17:08:59 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:08:59 -0000
Subject: Harry FP (was: DE's, Aurors, Justice)
In-Reply-To: <bccsjj+nh3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcd0fb+b1rk@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "derannimer" <susannahlm at y...> wrote:
> Cindy wrote:
> 
> >Let's see. The polls suggest that the top new FPs at the 
> >moment are Harry (12 votes), DEs/Aurors/Justice (10), Lupin 
> >(9) and Dumbledore (6 votes)-- all subject to change, of course.
> 
> >But then again, Eileen has always been *very* interested in 
> >working on a Weasley update . . . We'd hate to disappoint her . .  
> 
> >If you guys want, we could go ahead and do tentative team 
> >assignments. You know, just an indication of interest at this 
> >point. It might make some sense to do this now because most 
> >of us are around, but after OoP it will take some time to round 
> >everyone up. There is the chance that the votes will shift after 
> >OoP, but I guess we can decide that later. 
> 
> >Should we turn to this now, do you think? 
> 
> >Cindy -- who thinks that the DEs team should be named 
> >"Slytherin"
> 
> Ooh, ooh! Me wanna do DE's! Me wanna be a Slytherin!
> 
> Really, I'd be quite interested in working on that FAQ. 

Well, if we're calling teams - which I by no means think should 
be set in stone, given that the polls haven't finished yet and none 
of us have read OOP - I'd like to call Hufflepuff on behalf of the 
Harry FP.  I'm not exactly interested in being prefect on this project 
- for one thing I hardly think I'm qualified - but does anyone else 
want in?

Abigail




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 17:54:47 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:54:47 -0000
Subject: DE's, Aurors, Justice/Morgan's dilemma
In-Reply-To: <bccsjj+nh3i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcd357+clil@eGroups.com>

> Cindy wrote:
> 
> >Let's see. The polls suggest that the top new FPs at the 
> >moment are Harry (12 votes), DEs/Aurors/Justice (10), Lupin 
> >(9) and Dumbledore (6 votes)-- all subject to change, of course.
> 
Ah, but the Weasleys were the top vote-getter among the updates.

> >But then again, Eileen has always been *very* interested in 
> >working on a Weasley update . . . We'd hate to disappoint her . . 

Besides, the Weasley FP has gaping holes -- no Imperius!Arthur, no 
Bully!Twins, no Edge.  I'd want to update this one, except that I was 
long ago sorted into Slytherin instead.

Derannimer:
> 
> Ooh, ooh! Me wanna do DE's! Me wanna be a Slytherin!
> 
> Really, I'd be quite interested in working on that FAQ. 
> 
"Slytherin!" screamed the Sorting Hat.  Welcome to the dungeon. 
> 
> Derannimer, who is also trying to put dibs on a job in "Magical 
> Government" when we get around to working that, and who 
> thinks that the two might easily have to be cross-referenced in 
> some manner. (Especially if Lucius Malfoy becomes the new 
> Minister of Magic.)

Well, the Slytherins *do* seem to be in control of the government, 
don't they?  I think it can be arranged to make this a single project.

I also had a thought about Morgan's dilemma.  We could send out 
important planning posts as Special Notices, which she would get as 
emails.  Would that work?

Debbie
co-Slytherin prefect (with Porphyria)




From dicentra at xmission.com  Fri Jun 13 18:07:40 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:07:40 -0000
Subject: Harry FP 
In-Reply-To: <bcd0fb+b1rk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcd3tc+ns5d@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "abigailnus" <abigailnus at y...> wrote:
> I'd like to call Hufflepuff on behalf of the 
> Harry FP.  I'm not exactly interested in being prefect on this project 
> - for one thing I hardly think I'm qualified - but does anyone else 
> want in?

Ooh!  Oooh!  Oooh!  Me!  I want in!  

But I can't contribute much except direction until after Nimbus. 
Because after OoP, my paper might have to be *severely* revised.

--Dicey, who thinks Harry is the cat's pajamas






From pennylin at swbell.net  Fri Jun 13 18:08:39 2003
From: pennylin at swbell.net (pennylin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:08:39 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Harry FP (was: DE's, Aurors, Justice)
References: <bcd0fb+b1rk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c331d6$d15fe170$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

<<<<Well, if we're calling teams - which I by no means think should 
be set in stone, given that the polls haven't finished yet and none 
of us have read OOP - I'd like to call Hufflepuff on behalf of the 
Harry FP.  I'm not exactly interested in being prefect on this project 
- for one thing I hardly think I'm qualified - but does anyone else 
want in?>>>>>>>>>

Yeah, I'll express tentative pre-OoP interest in being part of the Harry FP Team.  OTOH, you might rather I spent my time updating Hermione and perhaps some of the others that can truly just be updated rather than whole-sale re-written.  But as for the new FPs, Harry would be the one I'm interested in.

Penny


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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Fri Jun 13 18:51:57 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:51:57 -0000
Subject: Harry FP
In-Reply-To: <bcd3tc+ns5d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcd6gd+25h7@eGroups.com>

> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "abigailnus" <abigailnus at y...> 
wrote:

I'd like to call Hufflepuff on behalf of the Harry FP.  I'm not 
exactly interested in being prefect on this project - for one thing 
I hardly think I'm qualified - but does anyone else want in?

I'd like to be part of the Harry FP. I'm not sure why Harry's team 
should be called Hufflepuffs though <vbg>. I mean Harry of all 
people!

Ali

off to look at the papers that are to be the Quidditch FAQ.





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 19:13:51 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:13:51 -0000
Subject: Fwd: Hello !
In-Reply-To: <E519D13F-9DAC-11D7-A2E7-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <bcd7pf+9ch3@eGroups.com>

Porphyria wrote:

<offer to translate FPs into French>

> I've been running through your website a few days ago and I find it
> really really great and useful ! I'd be delighted to translate it in
> french if you want to, what do you think ?

Uh . . . 

*Wee!*  Er, I mean, *Oui!*  :-D

In fact, I think we should have Morgan get cracking on a Portugese 
translation, and Charis Julia can sharpen her quill and give us a 
Greek translation.  

Seriously, I don't know what to make of this.  Is she kidding?

Um . . . does anyone have a thought on this?  Should we write back 
and say we'd *love* to have all of the FPs (and all of the messages 
they link to) translated into French,  but we can't afford to pay for 
all the extra server space?

Cindy -- who loves Freedom Fries






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 19:30:16 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:30:16 -0000
Subject: OoP Spoilers on FAQ  & Rock Solid Predictions & House Assignments
In-Reply-To: <20030613145512.72341.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bcd8o8+hhrh@eGroups.com>

Morgan wrote:

> That would force me to stay away from this group entirely until I 
>get to read OotP, which won't happen before the first weeks of July. 
>So it's not only the spoilers I won't be reading -- I won't get any 
>posts concerning the FP's structuring and organisation, if there's 
>any. 

Ah, good point.  Sorry, Morgan.

Debbie suggested:

>We could send out 
>important planning posts as Special Notices, which she would get as 
>emails. Would that work?

Oooh, good idea!  We'll definitely be talking freely about how to 
prioritize things in light of OoP developments, so it's a real 
problem for Morgan and anyone else similarly situated.

Morgan, you could change your settings to "Special Notices" so that 
you wouldn't get any messages with spoilers.  We'd be careful to post 
things you need to know as spoiler-free "Special Notices," and you'd 
get them by e-mail.

Does everyone understand special notices and how to do them and how 
they work?

Derannimer, there have been a large number of "rock solid 
predictions" lately.  Are you able to update the list?  Maybe you 
should upload it to the files section of the main list and announce 
it with great fanfare on the main list (giving due credit to Dicey, 
who created it and did the first half)?  Maybe on Monday or Tuesday?

If you don't have time or are burned out, speak up, OK?

Finally, I created a database for folks to indicate interest in 
Harry, Lupin, DEs and Weasley family.  All subject to change, of 
course.  How about anyone who is interested enter their name in the 
database so we can keep track?  

Cindy




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Jun 13 19:29:44 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:29:44 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Fwd: Hello !
Message-ID: <mailman.14.1576131543.12752.hp4gu-faq@archive.hpfgu.org>

Actually, I think the server load would be low - we can always have the french-language fp's hosted at a yahoogroup instead of on a site. We at tlc regularly get offers to translate the site into other languages, and as long as there's someone onstaff who can spot check to see if it reads well, it's been a nice thing to do. 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:13:51 
To:HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: Fwd: Hello !

Real-To:  "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net>

Porphyria wrote:

<offer to translate FPs into French>

> I've been running through your website a few days ago and I find it
> really really great and useful ! I'd be delighted to translate it in
> french if you want to, what do you think ?

Uh . . . 

*Wee!*  Er, I mean, *Oui!*  :-D

In fact, I think we should have Morgan get cracking on a Portugese 
translation, and Charis Julia can sharpen her quill and give us a 
Greek translation.  

Seriously, I don't know what to make of this.  Is she kidding?

Um . . . does anyone have a thought on this?  Should we write back 
and say we'd *love* to have all of the FPs (and all of the messages 
they link to) translated into French,  but we can't afford to pay for 
all the extra server space?

Cindy -- who loves Freedom Fries





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From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 19:53:17 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:53:17 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
Message-ID: <bcda3d+qpfq@eGroups.com>

<Derannimer squints up at her subject heading>

D'you like the prefix? Should we do it like that, or write out the whole word:

SLYTHERIN

----

Anyway, Debbie wrote, in reponse to my earlier post:
 
 > "Slytherin!" screamed the Sorting Hat. Welcome to the dungeon. 
 
Squee!

 >> Derannimer, who is also trying to put dibs on a job in "Magical 
 >> Government" when we get around to working that, and who 
 >> thinks that the two might easily have to be cross-referenced in 
 >> some manner. (Especially if Lucius Malfoy becomes the new 
 >> Minister of Magic.)
 
 >Well, the Slytherins *do* seem to be in control of the government, 
 >don't they? I think it can be arranged to make this a single project.

Yeah. You know, after looking ? albeit rather briefly ? at the existing "Government" 
FAQ, I really do think that they ought to be combined somehow. I mean, the new FAQ 
is supposed to be "DE's, Aurors, and Justice." But "Aurors" and "Justice" at least are 
going to be darn hard to consider *outside* of the Ministry of Magic. I really think we 
ought to look at combining the two ? and I imagine that we're going to be massively 
expanding our "Government" FAQ as it is, as it is

A: Quite out-of-date

and

B: Likely to be utterly swamped by OOP.

(I really, really think there's gonna be a *lot* of Ministry stuff in OOP)

So, er.

<Derannimer realises she's been talking quite a lot, and adds rather sheepishly>

Prefects?

What do you think we should do, about all of this?

Oh, and, er, one other thing: We've got that database for posts we spot that look 
particularly fantastic; I'm going back through the archives on an "Aurors" search ? 
although I certainly plan to use the Enchilada as well. But my question is, if I see some 
posts we might really wants to include in the FAQ, I might want to send them in that 
database ? but so will all of the other houses, both before and after OOP comes out. 
So for ease of browsing through the database, is there some way we can indicate two 
pieces of information *other* than the keywords and etc? 

Two pieces of information namely being:

1. Pre- or Post- OOP. (Phyllis actually suggested this once before)

and

2. Houses that post might be relevant for.

I mean, obviously a post could be relevant for more than one house ? something that 
could be used for MOM-style justice could also be used for Sirius Black, for example 
? but if someone on one of the house teams sees a post that they think could be 
used for the FAQ that house is working on, couldn't they flag it with their house name 
somehow? And the words "Sirius Black" could still be somewhere in the keywords or 
whatever, so it's not like *only* members of that house would come across it; but it 
would just be a way of indicating "Raw Material for the Government FAQ" or whatever. 
Or maybe the houses should just have their own databases to bung things into. Or 
something.

Am I making any sense at all here?




Derannimer




From heidit at netbox.com  Fri Jun 13 20:08:44 2003
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:08:44 -0000
Subject: Getting To Know You, Getting To Know All About You
In-Reply-To: <bbjehq+kq3h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcdb0c+aqf7@eGroups.com>

Belatedly...

> >Real name:
> 
> Heidi Howard Tandy
> 
> 
> >Also known as:
> 
Heidi
Fandom Mommy 
> >Age/Sex:
> 
> 32/Not for the next month, at least
> 
> >Birthplace/Livingplace:
> 
> Miami/Miami
In the 10 years that it was not Miami, it was:
Philly (at Penn for college, 88-92)
Washington, DC (at American for law school 92-95 (by the school and 
in DuPont Circle)
NYC (Upper East Side, 95-98)
> 
> >Family Life:
Married for almost 7 years, 2 kids (Harry is almost 4 and Jon is 
almost 2 weeks old) 

> >Personality:
I have a newborn. That pretty much precludes everything else, at the 
moment. 
>  
> >Words friends have used to describe you:
Bibliomaniac, good at house renovation supervision (we just gutted 
half our 1933 house and rebuilt it, moving in 3 days before Jon was 
born), intensely protective of friends, slightly geeky 
> 
> >Words you have used to describe you:
> 
Bibliomaniac, gadget freak. Mommy.
> 
> >Things you do when not staring at the computer:
I have a newborn. That pretty much precludes everything else at the 
moment. Oh, except for conference calls about Nimbus - 2003.  

> 
> >Comfort foods:
> 
Popcorn, jello and mac & cheese with tabasco sauce. Yes, tabasco is 
a comfort food for me.   
> 
> >Education/Work:
> 
Penn undergrad (majors in European history and Communications at 
Annenberg) '92
American's Washington College of Law '95
> 
> >Language skills
HTML and some PHP

> >Technical know-how:
HTML and some PHP. I rule Yahoogroups with my powers of tweaking-the-
system. I can also make a good cafe press shop.

>  
> 
> >Favourite HP book:
PoA. 

> >Favourite HP character(s):
I adore Harry. I just do. 
Must. Schnoogle. Ickle. Draco. Hislifeissomessedup.
Also Sirius. Pretty much the same reason.
> 
> >Favourite HP line
Mmmm. Pretty much the whole Shack scene. W00.

> >Watching/Avoiding the HP movies?:
In the past 2 weeks, I have seen the first film - or parts thereof - 
7 times. It's on HBO and HBO Family a lot. And I'm up in the middle 
of the night a lot. 

> >Into HP fanfiction?
I am an admin on FA, so yes. But the quality of what we reject 
shocks me, daily.

> 
> >Books you'd recommend to just about anyone:
The Eight, by Katherine Neville. This book is amazing, and my second-
favorite, to PoA. Yes, I like it more than the other 3 HP books. So?


> >Favorite TV shows?
Twas Buffy, but Buffy is no more. Am getting into Trading Spaces. 

> >Favorite movies:
Grease :)
And it was playing on TNT the night I was in the hospital for my 
induction, which made the waiting fine and the contractions 
bearable. Yay.


> 
> >One thing about your life you'd change if you could ? you may not 
> >say "lose weight."

I would make it be next Friday, so ootp would be out in hours, not a 
week.

> 
> >One thing about your life you wouldn't change even for an advance 
> >copy of Book 7:
My family, in toto. 

> >Philosophy for an easy life:
For me, it's just snuggling my bebe and my "grown boy" (who is all 
of 3 years 10 months). Well, it works. 

> 
> >How you found HPfGU:
Washington Post the day before GoF was released. I joined, I met 
Penny and Neil and Simon, and I stayed :)


> >Active at other HP sites:
Editor at TLC, admin at FA, and part of Team Nimbus - 2003. So it's 
a pretty busy fandom-life. Plus, I have a LiveJournal - heidi8

> >Your most rock solid OoP prediction:
Draco = prefect

> >Members of the fandom you have personally met:
John
Joywitch
Cassie
Carole & Randy
Penny
Ebony
Kris
Amber
Dixie Malfoy
OrcaPotter
A'jes Blue
Gwendolyn Grace
Jessica
Ari_O
And I know there's more... brain freeze...

Write and answer a question:
What are you off to do now? 
My grandma is ghere - gotta go! 


heidi




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 20:13:25 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:13:25 -0000
Subject: Rock-Solid Predictions
Message-ID: <bcdb95+ujk9@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

>Derannimer, there have been a large number of "rock solid 
>predictions" lately. Are you able to update the list? Maybe you 
>should upload it to the files section of the main list and announce 
>it with great fanfare on the main list (giving due credit to Dicey, 
>who created it and did the first half)? Maybe on Monday or Tuesday?
 
>If you don't have time or are burned out, speak up, OK?

Shoot, no, it's a piece of cake! Really, it is, you know; I'm just updating a few 
predictions at a time. I'm caught up to Message Number 60260 now, I think.

I'm kind of reluctant to upload it until *after* OOP comes out, though ? there might 
be some people who get in late, and then their predictions wouldn't be included. 
Maybe a week from Monday or Tuesday? 

Although obviously, that would put quite a damper on the fanfare. . . 

; )



Derannimer
 





From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 13 21:22:03 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:22:03 -0000
Subject: HUFFLEPUFF: Harry FP roll-call
In-Reply-To: <bcd6gd+25h7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcdf9r+kb0m@eGroups.com>


Excellent!  The Harry FP team now has four members, but I'm sure
 that there's room for more.

Dicey writes:

>>But I can't contribute much except direction until after Nimbus. 
 Because after OoP, my paper might have to be *severely* revised.>>

Well, as I've mentioned on the group so many times that I'm sure 
everyone is tired of hearing it, I won't be available to do any 
serious work until the end of July.  In fact, a week from today I will 
be dropping off the face of the earth (HPfGU-wise) to avoid spoilers.  
Idealy for me, Hufflepuff house won't get to work until then, but 
you guys may feel differently.

Penny writes:

>>Yeah, I'll express tentative pre-OoP interest in being part of the 
Harry FP Team. OTOH, you might rather I spent my time updating 
Hermione and perhaps some of the others that can truly just be 
updated rather than whole-sale re-written. But as for the new FPs, 
Harry would be the one I'm interested in>>

Well, it all depends on what you'd rather do, Penny.  All the FPs are 
going to need to be updated eventually, and I suspect we'll have a lot 
of time to do it before book 6 comes out.  So if you feel like starting 
work on the Harry FP I see no reason why you shouldn't.

Ali writes:

> I'd like to be part of the Harry FP. I'm not sure why Harry's team 
> should be called Hufflepuffs though <vbg>. I mean Harry of all 
> people!

Well, Eileen called Gryffindor on behalf of the Weasleys (which is 
rather appropriate, after all) and Slytherin was also taken.  I had a 
choice of Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw, and both online sorting hats put 
me in Hufflepuff, so that's what I chose.  Actually, I think that for 
FAQ writers, being 'unafraid of toil' is a perfect quality.

Does anyone want to be prefect?  I have a lot of ideas, but I've 
never done this before, and I think the prefect should be someone 
who's been on the group for longer than 30 seconds.

Abigail




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 21:35:02 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:35:02 -0000
Subject: Correction:  Assassin!Snape
Message-ID: <bcdg26+netq@eGroups.com>

Uh, next time I'll proofread before I post.  Sorry.

========================

Assassin!Snape

The final scenes of GoF suggest that Snape may spy on 
Voldemort at Dumbledore's request. There remains, however, the 
perplexing question of exactly how Snape could manage this, 
especially after Dumbledore revealed in the Pensieve that Snape 
turned spy for Dumbledore. Would Snape have to perform a difficult 
task to Voldemort's satisfaction to earn his trust, and if so, what 
would that task be? 

According to Assassin!Snape, the key is Voldemort's graveyard speech 
in GoF:

"And here we have six missing Death Eaters . . . three dead in my 
service. One, too cowardly to return . . . he will pay. One, who I 
believe has left me forever . . . he will be killed, of 
course. . . . and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who 
has already reentered my service.'"

If Karkaroff is the DE who will be killed, who will do Voldemort's 
dirty work and kill Karkaroff? Could it be Assassin!Snape, 
perhaps in a bid to prove his loyalty to Voldemort by delivering 
Karkaroff's head on a pike? Is there another way Snape might put 
one over on Voldemort and return to spying short of murdering 
Karkaroff in cold blood? 

Assassin!Snape was proposed in Message 46741. It met considerable 
resistance from Snape fans, some of whom advocated variants in which 
Snape can continue to spy without spilling Karkaroff's blood. 
Messages 46822, 46839, 46852, 46853, 46857, 46873, 46878, 46887, 
46906, 46918, 46947, 46970, 46987, 46907, 46944, 46951, 46979, 
46987, 46991, 47007, 47008, 47037, 47038, 47045, 47046.

For those taken with the idea of Snape proving his loyalty to 
Voldemort, there is an especially chilling variant, affectionately 
known as "Dumbledore's Head On A Platter." Proposed in Message 
47077, the theory is a rare and unlikely marriage of the gut-
wrenching with the irresistible:

"[Snape's] task will be something that will be hard for Snape (or it 
wouldn't be proof) and good for Voldemort (probably). Ergo, Snape 
won't be sent after Sirius Black or Karkaroff. Killing? Hardly a 
challenge, in Voldemort's eyes. Killing an enemy? Candy. And neither 
Black nor Karkaroff are strategic targets for Voldemort. But killing 
Dumbledore? Proof *and* the removal of Voldemort's greatest obstacle. 
Likely."

Brrrr!

The "Dumbledore's Head" variant quickly earned two acronyms: the 
gruesome CHOP ("Cranium of Headmaster on a Platter") in Message 47103 
and the more refined PASHMINAS (Prejudiced Against Snape, Harry 
Misinterprets Involvement in Noble Albus' Sacrifice) in Message 
47124. Theorists ?- those with cast-iron stomachs, 
anyway -? ultimately came to no consensus on whether Snape would 
really, actually slay Dumbledore himself or whether Snape would 
have the good fortune to capitalize on Dumbledore's timely and 
convenient death from other causes.  Messages 47044, 47067, 47121. 






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 21:52:24 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:52:24 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcda3d+qpfq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcdh2o+mv1j@eGroups.com>

Hey, fellow *Slyths!*

Why do I get the feeling that the "Slyths" on the FAQ list are *dead 
sexy?*  With a lisp.  :-D

> <Derannimer squints up at her subject heading>
> 
> D'you like the prefix? 

Abbreviated prefixes work for me!

> Yeah. You know, after looking ? albeit rather briefly ? at the 
>existing "Government" FAQ, I really do think that they ought to be 
>combined somehow. 

Maybe, maybe.  

Now, I must admit that I haven't read Debbie/Porphyria's outline they 
posted a few months back.  But I think we might want to just 
including as much discussion of MoM and governance as we want and 
need, and then drop links to the existing Government FP.  I haven't 
studied the Government FP as closely as I probablys should, but I 
imagine it does and should concern itself with comparisons of MoM 
with the British government and other RL forms of governance.

Anyway, I agree that it isn't really possible to discuss justice and 
aurors without touching on MoM, but there's quite a lot to the 
Government FP that concerns other matters ("International 
Confederation of Wizards").  

Uh, did that make sense?



Derannimer:

>I imagine that we're going to be massively 
> expanding our "Government" FAQ as it is, as it is
> 
> A: Quite out-of-date
> 
> and
> 
> B: Likely to be utterly swamped by OOP.
> 
> (I really, really think there's gonna be a *lot* of Ministry stuff 
>in OOP)

Oh, I agree.  I wouldn't be surprised if there is no MoM at all by 
the end of OoP.  But that suggests to me that the Government FP 
should be separate and expanded rather than folded into the 
DEs/Aurors/Justice FP.

<snip Derannimer's idea of expanding the database to include pre- vs. 
post-OoP columns and houses that post might be relevant for>

Hmmmm.  I'd defer to Debbie on this one as our Database Diva, but I 
would think that the message number would tell us whether the post 
pre-dates OoP.

On including a column on the appropriate house, maybe.  Some topics 
won't yet have houses (if I see a killer post on Hermione, I would 
add it but I would have to leave the "house" column blank).  Er, I'm 
straddling the fence.  Sorry.

> Or maybe the houses should just have their own databases to bung 
>things into. Or something.


Maybe, but the advantage of having just one database for killer posts 
is that folks who aren't in a house (our tech folks, for instance) 
won't easily remember which house is doing what and might be 
frustrated by trying to sort out what post works for what FP.  


> Am I making any sense at all here?


Of course you are!  I'm really glad we're using our remaining 7 pre-
OoP days so effectively.  Let's keep brainstorming.

Cindy




From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 14 00:05:11 2003
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:05:11 +0000
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: OoP Spoilers on FAQ & Rock Solid Predictions & House Assig
Message-ID: <Law8-F63Nj9wdYO8lFM0002314d@hotmail.com>

Cindy Wrote:

>Finally, I created a database for folks to indicate interest in
>Harry, Lupin, DEs and Weasley family.  All subject to change, of
>course.  How about anyone who is interested enter their name in the
>database so we can keep track?

I hate to sound like a total moron here, but how exactly does one enter 
their name?  I don't want to go around experimenting and then find myself 
messing something up.  Like accidentally deleting the list.

Cindy Also Asked:

>Does everyone understand special notices and how to do them and how
>they work?

Er...no.  Sorry.

I warned you guys that I'm a complete techno-squib in my bio.


-Gail...wondering if she's in over her head already.

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Jun 14 00:13:58 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:13:58 -0000
Subject: OoP Spoilers on FAQ & Rock Solid Predictions & House Assig
In-Reply-To: <Law8-F63Nj9wdYO8lFM0002314d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <bcdpc6+n7kq@eGroups.com>

Gail asked:

> I hate to sound like a total moron here, but how exactly does one 
>enter their name?  


Oh, it should be easy.

You go to "Database" in the left-hand column.  Then you look for the 
database you want -- in this case it is something like "FP team 
assignments."  Click on it.  Then click "Edit" next to the row you 
want to edit.  Easy as pie!




> Er...no.  Sorry.

OK.  If you're a regular member of a Yahoo list and you click 
on "Post" in webview, you just type your post and hit "Send."  

If you are a Moderator (as we all are on this list), then you have 
the extra option (a little box you can check under "Send") to post 
your message as a "Special Notice."  This means it will go out just 
like a regular post except that it will go as an e-mail to members 
who use webview and therefore have chosen "Special Notices" as their 
delivery option.

So if you wanted to send a post-OoP message without spoilers and 
wanted to make sure Morgan and others who aren't reading the FAQ list 
received your message, you would click the box for "Special Notice" 
when you post your message.

Did that make sense?


 
> I warned you guys that I'm a complete techno-squib in my bio.

Nah, you've just never had moderator powers before, that's all.  
Don't worry; ask about anything that doesn't make sense.

Cindy




From editor at texas.net  Sat Jun 14 02:07:26 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:07:26 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Assassin!Snape Re-Write
References: <bcdfn2+auhc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c33219$b4c0a0c0$2c05a6d8@texas.net>

Cindy:

I did a quickie re-write of Assassin!Snape with Dumbledore's Head
variant.  I'd like to upload it before OoP, just to get it out of the
way.  What do you think?

________________

I think I'd like to have known you were doing this; I was waiting for the
list's thoughts on my "volume" idea, and then I was going to tackle Snape 2.
I still think we should let Porphyria's essay stand and put Assassin!Snape,
along with Father Figure Snape, into a Volume 2. I already have the Father
figure post numbers gathered.

I had asked for assistance with procedure on this--what do I do? and how to
make links and stuff. I had asked for thoughts on a volume 2. Nobody said
anything on anything.

So I guess you can do what you want. I'll proof this later when the kids are
in bed. If you embedded links like P. did, I don't think I can check them
from this, though, can I?

What happened to the procedure where drafts were put up and someone else
checked the links and logged that into the database, etc., before things
were put up? I guess I really am hopelessly out of things.

~Amanda







From jmmears at comcast.net  Sat Jun 14 02:21:33 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 02:21:33 -0000
Subject: Newbie questions (was Re: OoP Spoilers on FAQ & Rock Solid etc)
In-Reply-To: <bcdpc6+n7kq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bce0rd+da5m@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> 
wrote:
> Gail asked:
> 
> > I hate to sound like a total moron here, but how exactly does 
one 
> >enter their name?  
> 
> 
> Oh, it should be easy.
> 
> You go to "Database" in the left-hand column.  Then you look for 
the 
> database you want -- in this case it is something like "FP team 
> assignments."  Click on it.  Then click "Edit" next to the row you 
> want to edit.  Easy as pie!


Thank you for asking this question, Gail. I was just about to ask 
someone this same question offlist, since I thought *I* was the only 
one who didn't know this.

And while we're asking questions, are we *all* supposed to identify 
posts we think would be worthy of inclusion in FP, regardless of 
topic, or am I now restricted to topics concerning the Weasley 
family?  And if I do want to recommend a post, where and how do I do 
it?  I don't want to step on any toes, but if I read one that makes 
what I think is a good Snape point, do I have any say about whether 
it's included, or is that topic "owned" by the people who have 
written the previous FAQ on Snape?


 
Gail wrote:
> > I warned you guys that I'm a complete techno-squib in my bio.

So did I! Did you think I was kidding about trying to master cut-and-
paste?


Jo S., for whom no instructions are too basic





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Jun 14 04:00:05 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:00:05 -0000
Subject: Assassin!Snape Re-Write
In-Reply-To: <001a01c33219$b4c0a0c0$2c05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bce6k5+mf8j@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

> I think I'd like to have known you were doing this; I was waiting 
>for the list's thoughts on my "volume" idea, and then I was going to 
>tackle Snape 2.

I'm sorry, Amanda.  I gathered from your remarks that you were 
contemplating updating the existing Snape FP.  This would require 
consideration of the idea you proposed for revising FPs as volumes, 
and you're correct that the group hasn't given the idea complete 
consideration via debate yet.

I, on the other hand, was only doing a blurb for Assassin!Snape in 
Hypothetic Alley.  It is supposed to be a paragraph or two that can 
be added to HA before OoP and has nothing to do with the existing 
Snape FP.  It's the same sort of thing we've done with Neville.  
There's a Neville FP, but there are Neville entries in HA, also.

So the Snape FP still needs an update, definitely.


> I still think we should let Porphyria's essay stand and put 
>Assassin!Snape, along with Father Figure Snape, into a Volume 2. 


The HA update doesn't preclude that at all.  The updated Snape FP can 
and should contain a full discussion of the various assassin Snape 
theories in a more sober style.

But let me ask this.  If Assassin!Snape and Father Figure Snape will 
be "Snape, Vol. 2," where do the new post-OoP theories go?

> I had asked for assistance with procedure on this--what do I do? 
>and how to make links and stuff. I had asked for thoughts on a 
volume 2. Nobody said anything on anything.

Mmmmm.  My tech knowledge is minimal, so I may not be the best person 
to answer.  Porphyria uploaded a file:

http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/sI_qPrPD8P4ClNlMDNYEzhTZKGxKXiXX8PrfQM6_C
R-UkMVSynJZzzpG13yBcLtwRWad60mYrLBx31tN/FPguidelines.html

that might answer many of your tech questions.  In fact, all of the 
FAQ writers should review that file before they put pen to paper.  If 
you still have questions, do post them here and maybe someone can 
clarify.

 
> So I guess you can do what you want. I'll proof this later when the 
>kids are in bed. If you embedded links like P. did, I don't think I 
>can check them from this, though, can I?

This HA blurb is still in the drafting stage, so I didn't do anything 
with the links.  Once we decide that we like the text, Porphyria 
usually performs some sort of magic to convert it and make the links 
work.  Then we'll need to check the links, of course, but there 
aren't that many.


 
> What happened to the procedure where drafts were put up and someone 
>else checked the links and logged that into the database, etc., 
>before things were put up? I guess I really am hopelessly out of 
>things.

That's OK.  You're remembering the huge scramble we had to get the 
FPs moved over to the FA servers, I think.  We successfully 
reformatted and link-checked all of the old FPs, so we had an 
elaborate procedure to get all of that done.

For now, we don't have anything to upload other than the couple of 
paragraphs I tossed together on Assassin!Snape for HA.  

Back to the minimal response to your suggestion about doing things in 
volumes, though . . . 

One thing we'll have to consider as we move forward is how to get 
things decided.  We're pretty much working by loose consensus here, 
and we have no official hierarchy.  There's no one to issue a ruling 
on things, so we'll all have to muddle through at times.

In my experience with various HPfGU administrative lists, the way 
people often express disagreement is with silence.  Unfortunately, 
silence is often how they express confusion.  Or lack of interest.  
Or simply being too busy.

Here, I'm guessing that part of the problem may simply be one of 
confusion.  I know I'm still a little lost about how the idea of 
having volumes would work.  Maybe the idea should be written up with 
examples, etc., and we should have a poll to vote on it?  

What do you think?

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Jun 14 04:05:17 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:05:17 -0000
Subject: Newbie questions 
In-Reply-To: <bce0rd+da5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bce6tt+anir@eGroups.com>

Jo wrote:

> And while we're asking questions, are we *all* supposed to identify 
> posts we think would be worthy of inclusion in FP, regardless of 
> topic, or am I now restricted to topics concerning the Weasley 
> family?  And if I do want to recommend a post, where and how do I 
>do it?  I don't want to step on any toes, but if I read one that 
>makes what I think is a good Snape point, do I have any say about 
>whether it's included, or is that topic "owned" by the people who 
>have written the previous FAQ on Snape?

My view is that we should all try to identify any Fantastic Posts we 
see on the main list, regardless of topic and regardless of which FPs 
are being handled by which team.

So if I see a great Harry post, I should skip over here and enter it 
into the database.

Which database?

Well, right now, it is in the database section under "Fantastic 
Posts:"

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HP4GU-FAQ/database?
method=reportRows&tbl=14

Debbie might or might not tweak this database to improve it and to 
account for Derannimer's suggestions.  Debbie?

Cindy





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sat Jun 14 12:19:06 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:19:06 -0400
Subject: FP Databases
References: <bcdh2o+mv1j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007001c3326f$2656fea0$9ddc5644@arlngt01.va.comcast.net>

Cindy:

> <snip Derannimer's idea of expanding the database to include pre- vs. 
> post-OoP columns and houses that post might be relevant for>
> 
> Hmmmm.  I'd defer to Debbie on this one as our Database Diva, but I 
> would think that the message number would tell us whether the post 
> pre-dates OoP.

Debbie the Database Diva?

Well, since I definitely think we should add to the database *any* FP we see, regardless of whether we're working on that subject now, I don't think we should identify posts by house.  Then, in the keyword columns, we can keep it simple by using names of specific FPs as each keyword (e.g., Harry, Lupin, DEs, Aurors, Government, Weasleys, Hermione, SHIP, etc.).  That way, new FPers don't have to wade through the hundreds of words in the keyword database to figure out how to label the post.  

I also agree with Cindy that we should not add pre/post OOP, since the message number will tell you whether it's pre- or post-OOP.  I'd like to keep it simple, if possible. 

And to help us remember what FPs are on our eventual to-do list, I have substantially revised and updated another database, which is now called "Fantastic Posts List and Status."  It lists every FP we have done or is on the to-do list.  For completed FPs, it says it's done and lists the author(s) and whether it needs updating.  If we've decided to update an FP, or someone has expressed an interest in doing so, I've given it a new entry.  For planned or in-process FPs, the database lists the names of persons who have expressed an interest in writing or updating it.  Please check it out -- comments are welcome!

There are actually three databases with FP lists in them.  In addition to the one that Cindy just created ("Fantastic Posts"), there is also "Diamonds in the Rough" and, for *very* old posts, "FORT" which means Frequent or Recurring Things and is a list of posts by topic.  While this isn't very useful for updates, it should be a good resource to capture very old posts on topics we haven't written on yet, like Harry.

BTW, while we're talking about Hypothetic Alley updates it occurred to me that it might be good to add post 56099 to the Stoned!Harry discussion.  That was Bill (Mongo)'s compilation of the old Stoned!Harry posts.  It's not only very readable, but it captures the development of the theory really well, without having to jump from post to post.

Debbie


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From morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 14 13:00:28 2003
From: morgan_d_yyh at yahoo.com (Morgan D.)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 06:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Translations, Spoilers and Lupin (RAVEN)
In-Reply-To: <1055549645.1408.41551.m5@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030614130028.26836.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com>

Cindy sort of suggested:
> In fact, I think we should have Morgan get cracking on a Portugese 
> translation, and Charis Julia can sharpen her quill and give us a 
> Greek translation.  

*pales* 
But... but... but... that thing is HUGE!!! I'd take AGES! (Besides, if
I had to translate the names of characters and things as they were
translated to Brazilian Portuguese, I'd have to cut my wrists. Argh.)


Heidi said then:
> We at tlc regularly get offers to translate the site into other
> languages, and as long as there's someone onstaff who can spot check
> to see if it reads well, it's been a nice thing to do. 

Revising a Portuguese translation, that I could do. But translating the
whole thing... *shivers*


For a more realistic suggestion, Cindy said:
> Morgan, you could change your settings to "Special Notices" so that 
> you wouldn't get any messages with spoilers.  We'd be careful to post
> things you need to know as spoiler-free "Special Notices," and you'd 
> get them by e-mail.

That works for me, thanks. I'd only like to remind you all of one
little detail listed in the bio I posted when I joined this group. You
know, the one about me "holding grudges for years". Believe me, you
don't want to test me on that one. So... if one single message from
this group hits my mailbox with a spoiler, there will be bloodshed. 

You have been warned. 
*beatific smile*


> Does everyone understand special notices and how to do them and how 
> they work?

I honestly hope so...


> Finally, I created a database for folks to indicate interest in 
> Harry, Lupin, DEs and Weasley family.  All subject to change, of 
> course.  How about anyone who is interested enter their name in the 
> database so we can keep track?  

I volunteered to the Ravenclaw team (makes sense, all online Sorting
Hats tell me I'm Ravenclaw) so I could help with the Lupin theme. Which
gives me one more reason to hope that Lupin is NOT James after a
body-switch, because that would make this work so confusing... 


Morgan D.
Hogwarts Letters - http://www.hogwartsletters.hpg.com.br

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From porphyria at mindspring.com  Sat Jun 14 14:23:32 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:23:32 -0400
Subject: Hello !
In-Reply-To: <1055510485.3ee9cfd5a53ef@lavache.alinto.com>
Message-ID: <C6EBA34C-9E73-11D7-A2E7-000393465128@mindspring.com>

Dear EmmaJess,

What a lovely offer. We'd love for you to do this. However, do bear in 
mind that we'll have to do a lot of rewriting of the Fantastic Posts 
after Order of the Phoenix is released, since a lot of our theories 
will have to be reworked in the light of new material.

The Fantastic Posts pages are administered by a whole group of people, 
and I've let them know of your offer. We'll be back in touch to let you 
know how best to go about it.

Thanks!
~Porphyria

On Friday, June 13, 2003, at 09:21 AM, sorellina s wrote:

> Hello !
>
> I've been running through your website a few days ago and I find it
> really really great and useful ! I'd be delighted to translate it in
> french if you want to, what do you think ?
>
> Bravo again for your site !
> EmmaJess
>
> ---------------------------------------------
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>




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Sat Jun 14 20:24:59 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 20:24:59 -0000
Subject: Fwd: Hello !
In-Reply-To: <bcd7pf+9ch3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcg0ar+o38d@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> In fact, I think we should have Morgan get cracking on a Portugese 
> translation, and Charis Julia can sharpen her quill and give us a 
> Greek translation.  

Og f?r du sp?rger, svaret er <NEJ>!  Basta!

David, f?dt i K?benhavn




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 14 22:43:27 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:43:27 -0000
Subject: Fwd: Hello !
In-Reply-To: <bcg0ar+o38d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcg8ef+tdcb@eGroups.com>

> Cindy wrote:
> 
> > In fact, I think we should have Morgan get cracking on a Portugese 
> > translation, and Charis Julia can sharpen her quill and give us a 
> > Greek translation.  
> 
> Og f?r du sp?rger, svaret er <NEJ>!  Basta!
> 
> David, f?dt i K?benhavn


Aybe may a hay ig pay atin lay ranslation tay oo tay?

Or troll...growl snare snare spit growl.

We can be really geeky and go for Klingon.  *Someone* on the site must
know Klingon.


Melody 
who should be getting ready to go to the first round of June weddings.
 Where is that white strappy shoe anyway...?






From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 15 02:29:31 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:29:31 -0000
Subject: Fwd: Hello ! Getting OT.
 
 Re: Fwd: Hello !
 
 
Message-ID: <bcglmb+864l@eGroups.com>

Melody wrote:

> We can be really geeky and go for Klingon. *Someone* on the site must
> know Klingon.
 
This is quite wildly OT, but. . . 

http://www.theonion.com/onion3913/dont_come_crying.html



Derannimer, who doesn't speak Klingon. Or Elvish, for that matter.




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 15 02:37:39 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] E-mail Weirdness
In-Reply-To: <bcglmb+864l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030615023739.13732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

Er. Does anyone know why my last post to the list was
marked "no author," or whatever? Or does it just say
that on my computer?


Derannimer

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sun Jun 15 03:45:55 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 03:45:55 -0000
Subject: E-mail Weirdness
In-Reply-To: <20030615023739.13732.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bcgq5j+uidr@eGroups.com>

I dunno, but it says "no author" on my computer as well.

Which can only mean one thing . . . 

You're *dead,* Derannimer!  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.  :-D

Cindy -- who has no idea what David just said there but who figures 
he must be speaking "geek," and who is thinking we need a new team 
name for FAQ list members who have given up the ghost




From editor at texas.net  Sun Jun 15 06:38:55 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:38:55 -0500
Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
Message-ID: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net>

Request for assistance!

Kelley and I are going to be part of one of the San Antonio Barnes&Noble's
Order of the Phoenix activities. We are dressing up and will be quizzing the
kids on HP trivia. Not sure for how long; not sure what ages.

Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? I can make some mean Snape
ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. And I'd like to have enough to split
into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I think we get to *run* the quiz.

I could yank the questions from the trivia game, but that's only the first
book. The Barnes&Noble people made it clear that they want to cover all four
books.

So, please, please, give me your suggestions! Kelley and I appreciate it!

Thanks,
Amandageist

P.S.--I want to be Professor or Madam something...any ideas? My last name
just doesn't cut it. (Kelley's, either)

------------------------------------------
Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft.




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 15:08:58 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:08:58 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcdh2o+mv1j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bckmia+eeio@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:
Anyway, I agree that it isn't really possible to discuss justice and 
aurors without touching on MoM, but there's quite a lot to the 
Government FP that concerns other matters ("International 
Confederation of Wizards").

Tom adds:
Yee-hah! Slytherin it is - Who-HOO!

<composes himself>

I'm a sucker for government and politics-related stuff.

Okay. My take on this is that the Death Eaters should get their own 
FAQ, and Aurors and Justice should be removed to the government FAQ 
that Derannimer (ooh, and I) would like to see up here. Mostly, I 
think this because, logistically speaking, the Aurors are an 
enforcement arm of the Ministry, and Justice is the concern of the 
Ministry, so I'd be more inclined to remove FAQ's on those subjects 
to the Government FAQ.

Since the Death Eaters are contrary to the Ministry, and since they 
don't seem to have their own FAQ, I'd suggest that they'd be better 
off by themselves, or lumped/connected with Voldemort somehow. Of 
course, in any government there is corruption, and so perhaps we 
could connect the two FAQ's without necessarily combining them 
together.

Anyways, I'm down to sign up for a DE FAQ or a Govt. FAQ any day.

-Tom




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 15:11:12 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:11:12 -0000
Subject: Go SPURS! Was Re: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bckmmg+nfm0@eGroups.com>

Hi Amanda!

Congrats on the Spurs' victory last night! Were you celebrating?

Oh, and should we post trivia to this list, or mail it to you 
directly?

-Tom


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> Request for assistance!
> 
> Kelley and I are going to be part of one of the San Antonio 
Barnes&Noble's
> Order of the Phoenix activities. We are dressing up and will be 
quizzing the
> kids on HP trivia. Not sure for how long; not sure what ages.
> 
> Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? I can make some mean 
Snape
> ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. And I'd like to have enough 
to split
> into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I think we get to *run* the 
quiz.
> 
> I could yank the questions from the trivia game, but that's only 
the first
> book. The Barnes&Noble people made it clear that they want to cover 
all four
> books.
> 
> So, please, please, give me your suggestions! Kelley and I 
appreciate it!
> 
> Thanks,
> Amandageist
> 
> P.S.--I want to be Professor or Madam something...any ideas? My 
last name
> just doesn't cut it. (Kelley's, either)
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft.




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 15:33:14 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:33:14 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bckmia+eeio@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcknvq+ho56@eGroups.com>

Tom wrote:

> Okay. My take on this is that the Death Eaters should get their own 
> FAQ, and Aurors and Justice should be removed to the government FAQ 
> that Derannimer (ooh, and I) would like to see up here. Mostly, I 
> think this because, logistically speaking, the Aurors are an 
> enforcement arm of the Ministry, and Justice is the concern of the 
> Ministry, so I'd be more inclined to remove FAQ's on those subjects 
> to the Government FAQ.
> 
> Since the Death Eaters are contrary to the Ministry, and since they 
> don't seem to have their own FAQ, I'd suggest that they'd be better 
> off by themselves, or lumped/connected with Voldemort somehow. Of 
> course, in any government there is corruption, and so perhaps we 
> could connect the two FAQ's without necessarily combining them 
> together.


Oh, Man.  I am so totally straddling the fence on this one.  Tom 
makes a good point.  And so does Derannimer.  <wrings hands>

This is kind of complicated and involves (oh boy!) policy issues.  Do 
we think it is better to have big, huge, hulking FPs, or do we think 
it is better to have smaller FPs but more of them?  As applied to the 
current discussion, we could either consider anything MOM-related as 
belonging together, or not.  I don't know; I'm just thinking out loud.

Also relevant is whether DEs would be substantial enough as a stand-
alone topic.  I don't know.

Anyway, this is what Debbie wrote back in February to this list, 
which addresses this very issue.  It also contains her 
DE/Auror/Justice outline, which might help us figure out what issues 
belong together.  

**************************

Hi all --

Cindy suggested we post our outlines here, so below is a very 
preliminary
outline I came up with for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice, as 
revised to
reflect Porphyria's comments. It's not an organizational outline so 
much as a
list of topics, which I did based on a quick review of what's in the
catalogues. (BTW, the catalogues were very easy to use -- I just used 
the sort
function, which allowed me to search several topic terms at once. So 
I can get
started without waiting for Dicey's master catalogue. For some 
reason, though,
I couldn't get my filter to work.)

I'm planning to start on the justice side, and Porphyria will start 
with the
Dark Mark. 

Penny suggested combining Government with this FP. We're thinking 
about
whether that makes sense. It fits with the Justice side well, but not 
as well
with the DE side. I had somewhat envisioned the pairing of DEs, 
Aurors and
justice as suggesting a cops and robbers flavor, and there's a lot 
more to the
government FP than law enforcement. Does anyone else have any 
thoughts on
this? If we don't combine them, I will do a Government update as part 
of this
project.

Advice on what's left out would be much appreciated.

Debbie

Outline for DEs, Aurors and Wizarding Justice

The DEs:

DE Roll Call
Names & quick description of all known DEs; add more discussion (or
cross-reference) for those that have been discussed frequently
Who is Loyal Servant, etc.
Rumored DEs (Bagman etc.)

General DE Questions
Who are they? (just inner circle of followers or more?)
Structure and organization (cells, etc)
Recruitment (why did they join? are they a cult?)
Activities
Loyalty and competence (e.g., how come they couldn't stun Harry?)

DE Magic Theories
Dark Mark theories
Power Boost theories

Justice:

MLE Department
Crouch Sr.
Aurors (Frank L and Real!Moody)
Others?

Crime & Punishment
Azkaban and Dementors' kiss
No capital punishment
Use of unforgivables on suspects 

Criminal Procedure
Pensieve - public or private, trial or other hearings?
Crouch as judge and prosecutor
Amnesty International/Kangaroo court parallels
Jailing without trial
Failure to use Veritaserum, Priori Incantato to find truth


******************************

Opinions?

Indecisive!Cindy -- who thinks this outline looks fabulous (and will 
lead to a truly enormous FP) and who can't think up any new topics 
for it




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 15:48:18 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:48:18 -0000
Subject: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
Message-ID: <bckos2+ftij@eGroups.com>

Hi,

I've been thinking about how we'll find great posts post-OoP.  We 
have set up a "Fantastic Posts," database, and the idea is that we'll 
all add entries when we see a great post on the main list.  Getting 
posts into the database is going to be really, really important.  If 
we aren't scrupulous about doing this as we go along, we'll find that 
we don't have much post-OoP material to work with when we write.  

I'm wondering what we can do to make it really, really easy for 
people to add great posts to the "Fantastic Posts" database.  One 
issue is that those of us who catalogued know the keywords very well, 
but others may not.  I'm concerned that anything that makes the job 
more difficult or time-consuming will discourage people from noting 
great posts.

So how about this?  If anyone sees a great post on the main list but 
doesn't have the time or inclination to enter it into the database, 
maybe they could just send the message number to me (and anyone else 
willing to perform this function) as an e-mail.   Easier still might 
be just to forward the whole post.  Then the person receiving the e-
mail could add the information to the database.

What do you think?  If this idea sounds helpful, is there anyone else 
who would be willing to accept e-mails and enter the data into the 
database?  Also, maybe we should send out a special notice to all of 
the FAQ team members reminding them to keep their eyes open for great 
posts on the main list?

Cindy -- thinking anyone who performs this function could have the 
title "goblin" bestowed upon them





From dicentra at xmission.com  Mon Jun 16 15:49:03 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:49:03 -0000
Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bckotf+j3uj@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> Request for assistance!

> I could yank the questions from the trivia game, but that's only the
first
> book. The Barnes&Noble people made it clear that they want to cover
all four
> books.
> 
> So, please, please, give me your suggestions! Kelley and I
appreciate it!

http://www.funtrivia.com/dir/3674.html

This is the Harry Potter section from the Trivia Portal.  It contains
tons and tons of trivia questions, but you'll have to find the good
questions yourself.  Sorry!

--Dicey




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Mon Jun 16 15:53:51 2003
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:53:51 -0000
Subject: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
In-Reply-To: <00e101c33308$cbf51f60$2904a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bckp6f+oo23@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? I can make some mean
Snape
> ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. And I'd like to have enough
to split
> into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I think we get to *run* the quiz.
> 

At times like this, I regret having thrown out my Trivial Pursuit -
Harry Potter game, after having used all the questions on people.

I'm currently working on a Jeopardy trivia game for Friday, though, so
I might be able to help. 

Though my questions can be pretty arcane. From "Who was the Head of
the Goblin Liason Office?" to "In which of his books did Gilderoy
Lockhart reveal lilac was his favourite colour?" How easy/difficult do
you want? 

Eileen





From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 16:27:19 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:27:19 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcknvq+ho56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bckr57+opvu@eGroups.com>

All this is great! 

I personally would go more for a more streamlined approach, 
as `hulking' (nice word, Cindy) FAQ's will have necessary 
shortcomings: they'll overlap constantly, and structure will probably 
suffer, not to mention that it'll be more difficult for people to 
find what they're looking for if it's all lumped together under one 
broad headline. 

In this current case, I'd say that separate FAQ's for the Death 
Eaters and the WW Government would seem to be in order.

For government, we could take Penny's current FAQ, and add the other 
items from Debbie's outline, with a few additions of my own:

The Ministry of Magic (UK)
1. Executive Branch (Fudge, Dept. of MLE/Aurors/Crouch Sr.)
1A. Department of Magical Law Enforcement
1B. Improper Use of Magic Office
1C. Department of Games and Sports
1D. Department of International Magical Cooperation
1E. Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office
1F. Department of Magical Catastrophes (Fudge, Pettigrew's `suicide')
1G. Department of Mysteries

2. Legislative Branch (maybe some of the above offices/departments go 
here?)
2A. Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery
2B. What other decrees/legislation do we have in canon for this?

3. Judicial Branch (Council of Magical Law/Pensieve)
3A. Pensieve - public or private, trial or other hearings?
3B. Crouch as judge and prosecutor
3C. Azkaban ? life sentences only!
3D. Jailing without trial (Hagrid's short stretch, Avery gets off, 
Karkaroff cuts a deal)
3E. Dementors as MoM Goons (guards at Azkaban, at Hogwarts, with 
Fudge)
3F. Committee on Disposal of Dangerous Creatures
3G. Capital punishment / Dementor's Kiss?
3H. Condoned use of Unforgivables in the past

4. Equivalent Wizarding Govts.
5. International Government
6. Speculative Model for the Organization of the International 
Confederation of Wizards
7. Relationship of Hogwarts to the Ministry (i.e. what Fudge will 
talk about when he gets in touch with Dumbledore over the `running of 
this school'/Ministry guidelines that still apply at Hogwarts: 
werewolves, half-giants, countercurses)

Important questions:
Why isn't Veritaserum used more often to ascertain the truth?
Why isn't Priori Incantantem used more often to ascertain the truth?


Now, regarding Death Eaters, we also have plenty to work with, if we 
take the remaining outline items and add some others:

1. DE Roll Call
1A. Known DEs; add more discussion (or cross-reference) for those 
that have been discussed frequently, Who is Loyal Servant, etc.)
1B. Rumored DEs (Bagman etc.)

2. General DE Questions
2A. Who are the Death Eaters?
2B. Who are Voldemort's followers?
2C. Structure and organization (cells, etc)
2D. Death Eater Methods of Operation (secrecy, spies, masks)
2E. Recruitment (what motivates DE's? are they a cult?)
2F. Activities/Plans/Goals (break open Azkaban, contact the giants)
2G. Loyalty and competence (e.g., how come they couldn't stun Harry?)

3. DE Magic Theories ? Note, if we're talking about the Dark Arts 
here, we could include it with the DE FAQ, or else start a new Dart 
Arts FAQ as well. My take on this is that we don't know a lot about 
the Dark Arts, so for now, we might as well include it with the DE's.
3A. Knockturn Alley
3B. Flesh-Eating Slug Repellent
3C. Flesh, Blood, and Bone

4. Dark Mark theories (GulPlum had a FANTASTIC post on the linguistic 
origins of `Morsmordre' that would be great here!)

5. Power Boost theories ? I guess I'm in the dark on what this is 
referring to ? so I left it here for everyone else. ;-)


So, based on all this, (and I'm sure there's more,) I'd lean towards 
the separate FAQ's for each. Of course, I'll go along with whatever 
the group decides. 

I just think that the more specific and organized that we can make 
the FAQ's, the more luck we'll have with reader response and 
understanding.

-Tom




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 16:56:27 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:56:27 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bckr57+opvu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcksrr+a1vo@eGroups.com>

Quick question before I go mow the lawn . . . 

Where would all of the "Moody" and "Frank Longbottom" stuff go?

Maybe it is possible to have DEs paired with Aurors and leave the 
Justice parts for the Government FP?  Does it help if the name of the 
FP Porphyria and Debbie are doing becomes "Crime and Punishment" or 
similar -- to make clear that the focus is on evil-doers and their 
pursuers?

"Evil-Doers and Their Pursuers."  Kinda catchy, huh?

Cindy -- who wishes her lawnmower weren't 13 years old and a total 
wreck


--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Tom Wall" <thomasmwall at y...> wrote:
> All this is great! 
> 
> I personally would go more for a more streamlined approach, 
> as `hulking' (nice word, Cindy) FAQ's will have necessary 
> shortcomings: they'll overlap constantly, and structure will 
probably 
> suffer, not to mention that it'll be more difficult for people to 
> find what they're looking for if it's all lumped together under one 
> broad headline. 
> 
> In this current case, I'd say that separate FAQ's for the Death 
> Eaters and the WW Government would seem to be in order.
> 
> For government, we could take Penny's current FAQ, and add the 
other 
> items from Debbie's outline, with a few additions of my own:
> 
> The Ministry of Magic (UK)
> 1. Executive Branch (Fudge, Dept. of MLE/Aurors/Crouch Sr.)
> 1A. Department of Magical Law Enforcement
> 1B. Improper Use of Magic Office
> 1C. Department of Games and Sports
> 1D. Department of International Magical Cooperation
> 1E. Misuse of Muggle Artifacts Office
> 1F. Department of Magical Catastrophes (Fudge, Pettigrew's 
`suicide')
> 1G. Department of Mysteries
> 
> 2. Legislative Branch (maybe some of the above offices/departments 
go 
> here?)
> 2A. Decree for the Restriction of Underage Sorcery
> 2B. What other decrees/legislation do we have in canon for this?
> 
> 3. Judicial Branch (Council of Magical Law/Pensieve)
> 3A. Pensieve - public or private, trial or other hearings?
> 3B. Crouch as judge and prosecutor
> 3C. Azkaban ? life sentences only!
> 3D. Jailing without trial (Hagrid's short stretch, Avery gets off, 
> Karkaroff cuts a deal)
> 3E. Dementors as MoM Goons (guards at Azkaban, at Hogwarts, with 
> Fudge)
> 3F. Committee on Disposal of Dangerous Creatures
> 3G. Capital punishment / Dementor's Kiss?
> 3H. Condoned use of Unforgivables in the past
> 
> 4. Equivalent Wizarding Govts.
> 5. International Government
> 6. Speculative Model for the Organization of the International 
> Confederation of Wizards
> 7. Relationship of Hogwarts to the Ministry (i.e. what Fudge will 
> talk about when he gets in touch with Dumbledore over the `running 
of 
> this school'/Ministry guidelines that still apply at Hogwarts: 
> werewolves, half-giants, countercurses)
> 
> Important questions:
> Why isn't Veritaserum used more often to ascertain the truth?
> Why isn't Priori Incantantem used more often to ascertain the truth?
> 
> 
> Now, regarding Death Eaters, we also have plenty to work with, if 
we 
> take the remaining outline items and add some others:
> 
> 1. DE Roll Call
> 1A. Known DEs; add more discussion (or cross-reference) for those 
> that have been discussed frequently, Who is Loyal Servant, etc.)
> 1B. Rumored DEs (Bagman etc.)
> 
> 2. General DE Questions
> 2A. Who are the Death Eaters?
> 2B. Who are Voldemort's followers?
> 2C. Structure and organization (cells, etc)
> 2D. Death Eater Methods of Operation (secrecy, spies, masks)
> 2E. Recruitment (what motivates DE's? are they a cult?)
> 2F. Activities/Plans/Goals (break open Azkaban, contact the giants)
> 2G. Loyalty and competence (e.g., how come they couldn't stun 
Harry?)
> 
> 3. DE Magic Theories ? Note, if we're talking about the Dark Arts 
> here, we could include it with the DE FAQ, or else start a new Dart 
> Arts FAQ as well. My take on this is that we don't know a lot about 
> the Dark Arts, so for now, we might as well include it with the 
DE's.
> 3A. Knockturn Alley
> 3B. Flesh-Eating Slug Repellent
> 3C. Flesh, Blood, and Bone
> 
> 4. Dark Mark theories (GulPlum had a FANTASTIC post on the 
linguistic 
> origins of `Morsmordre' that would be great here!)
> 
> 5. Power Boost theories ? I guess I'm in the dark on what this is 
> referring to ? so I left it here for everyone else. ;-)
> 
> 
> So, based on all this, (and I'm sure there's more,) I'd lean 
towards 
> the separate FAQ's for each. Of course, I'll go along with whatever 
> the group decides. 
> 
> I just think that the more specific and organized that we can make 
> the FAQ's, the more luck we'll have with reader response and 
> understanding.
> 
> -Tom




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 17:07:46 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:07:46 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcksrr+a1vo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bckth2+jpho@eGroups.com>

Cindy asked:
Quick question before I go mow the lawn . . . 
Where would all of the "Moody" and "Frank Longbottom" stuff go?

I reply:
Oooh, I knew I forgot something! 

I wrote 'Aurors' next to Executive Branch... well, if you think about 
it, the Aurors *and* the dementors (and the executioner, too, if we 
think about it) are enforcement-types for the MoM, so perhaps a 
section under 'Executive Branch' for 'enforcement?'


Cindy suggested:
Maybe it is possible to have DEs paired with Aurors and leave the 
Justice parts for the Government FP?  

I ask:
I'm not sure why we'd want to include Aurors and Death Eaters 
together... I think I'm missing a connector clue or something... I 
don't see how they're related, you know? If we include them in a FAQ 
together, won't something get lost?


Cindy wrote:
Does it help if the name of the FP Porphyria and Debbie are doing 
becomes "Crime and Punishment" or similar -- to make clear that the 
focus is on evil-doers and their pursuers?

I reply:
Well, Crime and Punishment sounds more like an ad-hoc title for any 
section on MoM Justice/Judicial system, right? Oh wait - I'm a dork. 
See next:


Cindy posited:
"Evil-Doers and Their Pursuers."  Kinda catchy, huh?

I reply:
LOVE it! Now I understand why you want to link them together. If you 
guys think that's a better grouping, then I say go for it. I still 
prefer a Ministry FAQ, and a DE FAQ, but if you think it's better off 
the other way, then I'm flexible. =)

Oh, and I just added myself to the Slytherin group in the database - 
if the group'll have me, that is... ;-) 

-Tom




From lucky_kari at yahoo.ca  Mon Jun 16 17:21:12 2003
From: lucky_kari at yahoo.ca (lucky_kari)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:21:12 -0000
Subject: SLYTH:  Why the DEs and the  Aurors are linked
In-Reply-To: <bckth2+jpho@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bckua8+en7k@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Tom Wall" <thomasmwall at y...> wrote:

> I ask:
> I'm not sure why we'd want to include Aurors and Death Eaters 
> together... I think I'm missing a connector clue or something... I 
> don't see how they're related, you know? If we include them in a FAQ 
> together, won't something get lost?

I think the answer has more to do with actual archive content than the
principle of thing. Having written a large portion of the Auror/DE
posts,  I think I can explain. Here's an example. 

If Aurors and DEs were seperate, the poor FPers would have to explain
HumanRightsMartyr!Wilkes twice over. You'll find that though they seem
different categories, in practice list discussion has always merged
the two. It's all
Lestrange/Avery/Crouch/Longbottom/Moody/Wilkes/Rosier/Snape all the
time. (But not in a shippy sense!) The Aurors have less to do with the
government in list discussion than they do with the Death Eaters. 

Eileen




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 19:11:49 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:11:49 -0000
Subject: Fantastic Posts Database/ What Are We?
Message-ID: <bcl4pl+b9j3@eGroups.com>

Cindy suggested:

> So how about this? If anyone sees a great post on the main list but 
> doesn't have the time or inclination to enter it into the database, 
> maybe they could just send the message number to me (and anyone else 
> willing to perform this function) as an e-mail. Easier still might 
> be just to forward the whole post. Then the person receiving the e-
> mail could add the information to the database.
 
> What do you think? If this idea sounds helpful, is there anyone else 
> who would be willing to accept e-mails and enter the data into the 
> database? Also, maybe we should send out a special notice to all of 
> the FAQ team members reminding them to keep their eyes open for great 
> posts on the main list?"

Hey, sounds great! You know, anything that means I don't have to do quite so much 
work. . .  

I must say though, Cindy, that this sounds like the sort of thing that people volunteer 
to do and then wind up wildly regretting; if I were you, I'd make darn sure that *a 
bunch* of people were also willing to do the same thing. 

But on another matter. . . 
 
 > Cindy -- thinking anyone who performs this function could have the 
 > title "goblin" bestowed upon them

NIFFLERS! Why don't we all call ourselves NIFFLERS!? 

I mean, all of us FAQers. Because we dig out bits of gold for the benefit of the main 
list. And, er, because we're so cute and furry and have long snouts. Okay, so the 
comparison -- I hope -- breaks down in a couple of places, and it's not the most 
dignified name in the world; but I always *loved* the Nifflers. I thought they were just 
the cutest things. ; )




Derannimer, who has a feeling that that's already -- oh, I know, they use that on FA. 
For people who read for good new fics. Well, darn. I don't see why we couldn't be 
Nifflers anyway, though. Or have we already definitely decided on something else? 
And who does plan to write an actual substantive post about 
SLYTHERIN one of these days.         




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 19:30:02 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:30:02 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
Message-ID: <bcl5rq+chc0@eGroups.com>

Well, I'm voting for the "Evil-Doers and their Pursuers"/ "Government" division here; I 
don't think that the Cops-n-Robbers business should just be folded into the 
Executive branch or something, because I think that wouldn't really give Cops-n-
Robbers quite the independant heft that I think that it deserves. Though I think things 
are gonna get tricky if Lucius becomes the Minister of Magic in OoP, as I so 
desperately hope. I mean, what do we do if the DE's *become* the government? 

I do agree though, that the more purely logistical issues of WW governance, and the 
comparisons to real world governments, don't really belong in the same FAQ as the 
Bloody Ambushes. And the Avery discussion. And frankly, although I think they're 
*both* really interesting topics, I know which one sounds like more fun. ; )

But I think that "Cops-n-Robbers" is a little less. . . unwieldy than is "Evil-Doers and 
their Pursuers." Not to mention the fact that I've always thought that "evil-doers" is a 
kind of weird word. (Though not as weird as "homeland.") 

Not to mention the fact that everybody will become very political about it. "Hey, yeah, 
I guess Ashcroft *is* a war criminal! Just like Crouch! How appropriate!" And I think 
that that could get a bit awkward. 





Derannimer, who wants to apologize for the fact that her formatting has been all 
screwed up lately. She just got a new computer, and while she is very fond of it, it 
doesn't seem to handle posting very well in some ways.




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 19:33:16 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:33:16 -0000
Subject: Fantastic Posts Database/ What Are We?
In-Reply-To: <bcl4pl+b9j3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcl61s+6326@eGroups.com>

Derannimer:

> I must say though, Cindy, that this sounds like the sort of thing 
>that people volunteer to do and then wind up wildly regretting; if I 
>were you, I'd make darn sure that *a bunch* of people were also 
>willing to do the same thing. 

Heh.  You're probably right.  I'll shout out if it gets burdensome, 
then.  How's that?

> NIFFLERS! Why don't we all call ourselves NIFFLERS!? 

OK, I love this idea!  We are nifflers, aren't we?  Oh, can we be the 
nifflers?

While we're on the subject . . . 

Have I mentioned lately how I am completely sure nifflers will be 
very, very important in OoP?

In fact, I think I should swing for the fence and tell you all my 
Prediction Trifecta entry:

1.  Put-Outer will be key to Harry's protection.

2.  Hermione will die.

3.  Real Moody will be the villian again, and this time he will play 
a role in Hermione's death.

All three, folks.  All three.

Cindy -- whose dh is requiring her presence at a function on Friday 
night *and* one on Saturday night (Nora Jones at Wolf Trap -- who 
could resist?), and who is wondering exactly when she'll have a 
chance to read the darn book




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 19:49:03 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (Susannah Myers)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: What Are We?/Predictions Trifecta
In-Reply-To: <bcl61s+6326@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030616194903.65458.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at comcast.net> wrote:

> > NIFFLERS! Why don't we all call ourselves
> NIFFLERS!? 
> 
> OK, I love this idea!  We are nifflers, aren't we? 
> Oh, can we be the 
> nifflers?
 
Woo-hoo! I've got someone to second!

> While we're on the subject . . . 
> 
> Have I mentioned lately how I am completely sure
> nifflers will be 
> very, very important in OoP?
> 
> In fact, I think I should swing for the fence and
> tell you all my 
> Prediction Trifecta entry:
> 
> 1.  Put-Outer will be key to Harry's protection.
> 
> 2.  Hermione will die.
> 
> 3.  Real Moody will be the villian again, and this
> time he will play 
> a role in Hermione's death.
> 
> All three, folks.  All three.

<Derannimer opens her mouth as if she wants to say
something, then closes her mouth as if she's thought
better of it.>

Boy. Huh, Captain, when you swing for the fence you
really swing for the fence, don't you?

You know, I hate to bring this up four days before OOP
comes out, but this whole issue of the name
"Put-Outer" -- I always assumed that "Put-Outer"
*wasn't* the thing's actual *name*; that it was just
the way that the rather ignorant narrative voice of
the first chapter of PS/SS chose to refer to it. That
is, that it was just *dubbed* a "Put-Outer," and that
it isn't actually called a "Put-Outer."

But. Anyway.

I don't know if I've got a trifecta of predictions
myself. I -- I know I keep mentioning this, sorry --
am, however, crazy mad in love with the
Minister!Lucius theory. It would make him a really
*effective* bad guy, finally. Lucius isn't meant to be
sneaky and manipulative. He's meant to declare martial
law. But I don't know that I'm *predicting* it.
 
> Cindy -- whose dh is requiring her presence at a
> function on Friday 
> night *and* one on Saturday night (Nora Jones at
> Wolf Trap -- who 
> could resist?), and who is wondering exactly when
> she'll have a 
> chance to read the darn book

Oh, you poor little thing! (That hardly sounds right
somehow.) 

I'm (hopefully) going to friends' house on Friday; and
then we're all going to pick up our copies at the B&N;
and then I plan to go home and get it read by Saturday
night. Although maybe really late Saturday night. 900
pages. 




Derannimer

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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Mon Jun 16 20:08:01 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:08:01 -0000
Subject: Naama
Message-ID: <bcl831+nt74@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

I heard back from Naama.  To her credit, she has been thinking 
seriously about whether she has time to join us.  She figures she 
doesn't, but she made an interesting proposal.  She would like to 
write up an FP on wizarding genetics.  I doubt we'll ever write that 
one up, and I, for one, don't even have the background to understand 
those science-heavy threads.

I told her to go for it, but told her I'd let her know if the group 
had reservations.  I figure one of us could send her the Enchilada to 
make things easier for her.  Maybe we should send her Porphyria's 
memo on style and formatting?

Any reservations/objections to handling it this way?  If not, is 
there a volunteer to send her the Enchilada and Porphyria's memo?

Cindy




From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 20:08:39 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:08:39 -0000
Subject: My *One* Most Rock-Solid OOP Prediction
Message-ID: <bcl847+8kd2@eGroups.com>

Right, well, this thread seems to be winding down, at least a bit; I'll wait till tomorrow 
and then call it finished, I guess. Should I post to the main list, though, and let people 
know that if they want their predictions included in the file, they've only got a little 
while left to make them?



Derannimer




From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 16 20:22:20 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:22:20 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcl5rq+chc0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcl8ts+3ggt@eGroups.com>

Eileen answered my question on why DE's and Aurors should be together:
If Aurors and DEs were seperate, the poor FPers would have to explain
HumanRightsMartyr!Wilkes twice over. You'll find that though they seem
different categories, in practice list discussion has always merged
the two. It's all 
Lestrange/Avery/Crouch/Longbottom/Moody/Wilkes/Rosier/Snape all the
time. (But not in a shippy sense!) The Aurors have less to do with the
government in list discussion than they do with the Death Eaters.

Dreannimer added:
Well, I'm voting for the "Evil-Doers and their 
Pursuers"/ "Government" division here; I don't think that the Cops-n-
Robbers business should just be folded into the Executive branch or 
something, because I think that wouldn't really give Cops-n-Robbers 
quite the independant heft that I think that it deserves.

I reply:
Yup, I agree with you both here. 

It does make sense to link topics as they would be on-list. So, a FAQ 
on Aurors and DE's would be okay by me (I'm still thinking 
that `Justice' should be filed under the Judiciary,) but could we 
also do something like, oh, mentioning the Aurors as an enforcement 
arm of the MoM (in a government FAQ, if it should be written) and 
then providing a link to the "Evil-doers and their Pursuers" FAQ for 
a more in-depth discussion?

That way, if anyone (who thinks like I do) wants to go and look 
up `Aurors' under the government section, then they'll still find a 
link to the analysis elsewhere.

As Eileen pointed out, we don't want to have to perform double duty 
here just to satisfy my (admittedly often fussy) desire for specific 
categories, and I can see how this would happen in a lot of cases. 

For instance, I already see issues with the dementors, which could 
technically fit into several categories (Voldemort supporters, 
Ministry goons, etc) It would be absurd to file them separately under 
separate categories just because they fit. But it wouldn't be absurd 
to pick one category (say, 'Death Eaters,') do the in-depth work 
there, and provide links for the overlaps.

-Tom, who just now understands Derannimer's worries of the Death 
Eaters taking over the Ministry and what that could mean for the 
FAQ's. :-0





From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun 18 02:57:50 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:57:50 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] The "Fantastic Posts" Database
References: <bckos2+ftij@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004201c33546$f300bac0$0805a6d8@texas.net>

Cindy:

> I've been thinking about how we'll find great posts post-OoP.  We
> have set up a "Fantastic Posts," database, and the idea is that we'll
> all add entries when we see a great post on the main list.  Getting
> posts into the database is going to be really, really important.  If
> we aren't scrupulous about doing this as we go along, we'll find that
> we don't have much post-OoP material to work with when we write.

*Superb* idea.

> I'm wondering what we can do to make it really, really easy for
> people to add great posts to the "Fantastic Posts" database.  One
> issue is that those of us who catalogued know the keywords very well,
> but others may not.  I'm concerned that anything that makes the job
> more difficult or time-consuming will discourage people from noting
> great posts.
>
> So how about this?  If anyone sees a great post on the main list but
> doesn't have the time or inclination to enter it into the database,
> maybe they could just send the message number to me (and anyone else
> willing to perform this function) as an e-mail.   Easier still might
> be just to forward the whole post.  Then the person receiving the e-
> mail could add the information to the database.

How about accepting nominations? Set up a FAQ address like the owner
address?

> What do you think?  If this idea sounds helpful, is there anyone else
> who would be willing to accept e-mails and enter the data into the
> database?  Also, maybe we should send out a special notice to all of
> the FAQ team members reminding them to keep their eyes open for great
> posts on the main list?

Sounds like a great idea. And if we set up an address like that, we can also
use it to remind ourselves (if we have no time right then), and we can
routinely go through and make sure they got entered. Or something.

> Cindy -- thinking anyone who performs this function could have the
> title "goblin" bestowed upon them

~Amanda--thinking that all of us FAQers are Goblins in this capacity,
because we maintain the best bank of HP treasures in the known fandom and
are constantly hoarding more






From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun 18 02:59:27 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:27 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
References: <bckp6f+oo23@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004301c33546$f4a458a0$0805a6d8@texas.net>

> Though my questions can be pretty arcane. From "Who was the Head of
> the Goblin Liason Office?" to "In which of his books did Gilderoy
> Lockhart reveal lilac was his favourite colour?" How easy/difficult do
> you want?
>
> Eileen

A range; I didn't do the midnight festivities for GoF, but I'm betting I'll
have kids from 5-6 on up to, well, um, our age... I'm hoping to get enough
of a range to have enough to tailor to whoever we're asking.

~Amanda






From editor at texas.net  Wed Jun 18 03:07:27 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:07:27 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Naama
References: <bcl831+nt74@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004601c33546$f81c6860$0805a6d8@texas.net>

> Any reservations/objections to handling it this way?  If not, is 
> there a volunteer to send her the Enchilada and Porphyria's memo?
> 
> Cindy

(small voice) What the hell is the Enchilada? What's in Porphyria's memo?

~Amanda, feeling like she must have missed something important




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 14:03:15 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:03:15 -0000
Subject: Naama
In-Reply-To: <004601c33546$f81c6860$0805a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bcprf3+m5o8@eGroups.com>

Amanda:

> (small voice) What the hell is the Enchilada? What's in Porphyria's 
>memo?> 

> ~Amanda, feeling like she must have missed something important

Hee!  

The "Whole Enchilada" is Dicey's nickname for the catalogue.  
Porphyria's memo is in the files section and contains instructions 
for formatting drafts so that we don't create a lot of needless work 
for our webmistress and coders.

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 14:11:28 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:11:28 -0000
Subject: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
In-Reply-To: <004201c33546$f300bac0$0805a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <bcprug+q0e6@eGroups.com>

Oh dear! I am so pressed for time, but this is important.  Quickly 
then . . . 

Amanda:

 
> How about accepting nominations? Set up a FAQ address like the owner
> address?

I know using the FAQ owner address won't work.  The FAQ owner Melanie 
disapparated years ago so no one else will receive the e-mails.  We 
could forward the messages here, but then we'd be tripping over them.

But . . . 

<reels from massive brain wave>

What about the *other* FAQ list?

<glances at confused new members>

Quick history lesson . . . 

Melanie owns this list.  She is no longer in the fandom, so there's 
no way to transfer ownership to someone else.  Before we invited you 
new folks in, we talked about perhaps abandoning this list and 
starting a new one (with the same members) but with the ownership 
problem straightened out.

Then I learned that we had enough privileges as mods to continue to 
operate here, so I abandoned the other FAQ list, and we all got to 
work here and invited you here.  Besides, newer Yahoo lists have less 
memory, so we need this list.

But that other FAQ list still exists!  We could use that owners' 
address and we could forward copies of Fantastic posts to that other 
list.  Then volunteers could catalogue them.  No reading the whole 
bloody list.  No searching all of the main list for a post; you could 
just do a search on the sub-list (new FAQ list).

Oh man.  Should we do that?  Let's decide *quickly.*  I would need 
time to invite you all in (and hopefully some of you could help me do 
that).  I'm disapparating myself on Friday.

Ooooooooooooooh. 

<bows to Amanda>

Good one, Amanda!


> ~Amanda--thinking that all of us FAQers are Goblins in this 
capacity,
> because we maintain the best bank of HP treasures in the known 
fandom and
> are constantly hoarding more


Cindy -- starting to think the FAQers should be called "geniuses"




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 14:40:31 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:40:31 -0000
Subject: On Second Thought . . 
Message-ID: <bcptkv+av6n@eGroups.com>

You know, I think I should reverse my earlier thinking on how to 
accommodate Naama.  

As I said, she didn't want to join another list, citing time 
constraints, and we said that was fine.  I think I'd like to go back 
to her and say that she should just join here to have access to our 
files and databases so she can write.  Just put herself on "No E-
mail" and pop in when she has a question, needs advice, and most 
importantly, wants to consult our files and databases.

I mean, I won't know when she's writing or what she needs, and I 
*know* our wires will get crossed and I'll accidently leave her out 
of the loop and she won't get something.  And if we do use the other 
FP list in the way Amanda and I suggested, Naama will need access to 
that as well.

Any objections if I raise this with Naama?  Time is growing short, so 
let me know.

Cindy




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 15:17:51 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie Duncan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:17:51 -0400
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Re: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
Message-ID: <9010a68fff67.8fff679010a6@icomcast.net>

> But that other FAQ list still exists!  We could use that owners' 
> 
> address and we could forward copies of Fantastic posts to that 
> other 
> 
> list.  Then volunteers could catalogue them.  No reading the whole 
> 
> bloody list.  No searching all of the main list for a post; you 
> could 
> 
> just do a search on the sub-list (new FAQ list).

Wouldn't it be really cumbersome to be using two lists?  How about if 
nominated posts simply go into a database here, which the volunteers 
could review and catalogue.  I think it really would be much more 
efficient to use a database for the nominations rather than have them 
listed in separate emails that the volunteer cataloguer would have to 
scroll through one by one.  If the nominations were on a database here, 
then the volunteer would immediately have a simple list which (because 
it's a database) would be printable.  In fact, there already is a 
database set up that I thought would serve this purpose.

Am I missing something?

Debbie
who hates jumping from list to list





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 17:15:25 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:15:25 -0000
Subject: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
In-Reply-To: <9010a68fff67.8fff679010a6@icomcast.net>
Message-ID: <bcq6nd+lis6@eGroups.com>

Hey,

> Wouldn't it be really cumbersome to be using two lists?  

No, because we wouldn't *have* to use two lists.

OK.  Let's use an example.  We have lots of new members who weren't 
around for the cataloguing and we have people who did not have time 
to catalogue.  They are not familiar with the keywords we used.  They 
are busy people, but they can keep their eyes open for great posts.

But how best to encourage them to do so?  We need a process that is 
really, really easy -- that doesn't impair their enjoyment of the 
list, but still allows them to flag posts that are terrific.  I 
guarantee you that if Pip does another MagicDishwasher post (one of 
which took me a really long time to catalogue last time around), it 
will be Fantastic, but it might not make it into the database if no 
one familiar with the keywords spots it and enters it.

So people would either (1) enter great posts into the database as 
they spot them (which is preferable, of course), or (2) if they just 
plain don't have time, they would just forward the posts to the other 
FAQ list.  If you like, we could delete each post from the other FAQ 
list as we catalogue it to avoid duplication of effort and to keep 
the list of uncatalogued posts as small as possible.

The actual process, then, for those who don't have time to put things 
into the database, would be they see a great post, they forward it to 
the other list, and they can keep right on reading without ever 
leaving the main list.  (I believe the message number will show when 
they forward the message).  Little niffler goblin owl people like me 
would keep an eye on the other FAQ list and catalogue any stray posts 
over there.  Hopefully, enough people would enter their own stuff 
into the database so that the niffler-goblin-owls wouldn't get worn 
out or fall behind.

Then, when it was time for me to write a FAQ, I would use the 
Enchilada, the database on this list, and if I want (or if we fall 
behind in entering things) the stray posts on the other FAQ list. 

Now.

That whole idea rests on my assumption that some people are willing 
to help but don't wish to take the time to hop from the main list 
every time they see something great and catalogue it here.  Or just 
don't know how and aren't that keen on learning right now.

Have I assumed incorrectly?  What do you think?
 
> Debbie
> who hates jumping from list to list

Exactly!  But that is exactly what we're hoping all 41 people on this 
list will do, right?  Read Main, and then drop everything and pop 
over and catalogue the post into the database.  I think some won't, 
and we need some way to make things easier on them.  'Cause we really 
do need their eyes, if not their, er, fingers.

Yes?  No?

Cindy




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 17:53:57 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:53:57 -0000
Subject: 432 Posts???  Moi???  (WAS: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ)
In-Reply-To: <1055361385.9861.15137.w29@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcq8vl+lj3f@eGroups.com>

No way - I have 432 posts???? Really???  Oh, my goodness, I had no 
idea...

~Phyllis








From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 18:00:11 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:00:11 -0000
Subject: Adding David to the Team List (WAS: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?)
In-Reply-To: <bc9prd+jp9u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcq9bb+f6fa@eGroups.com>

Welcome, David!  I'm sorry to be late in welcoming you - real life 
has been massively intervening with my fun lately.  And to answer 
your question - no, I really don't know what I'm getting into here, 
but I'm willing to dive in nonetheless!

Cindy and Porphyria - I didn't have David on the latest version of 
the team list - would you like me to send you a new version with his 
name added, or do you want to add him to the list yourself?  Just let 
me know.  Thanks!

~Phyllis
who is not sure whether to be embarrassed or proud about her 432 posts




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 18:08:45 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:08:45 -0000
Subject: 432 Posts???  Moi???  (WAS: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ)
In-Reply-To: <bcq8vl+lj3f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcq9rd+798f@eGroups.com>

Aw, crap.

<turns beet red>

No, er, someone made an error.  You have 190 posts, Phyllis.  Sorry.

Dang it!  Last time, I had someone check my calculations.  Maybe I'd 
better get one of you to do that this time too.  Debbie's number was 
wrong, too.

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 18:10:51 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:10:51 -0000
Subject: Adding David to the Team List (WAS: Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?)
In-Reply-To: <bcq9bb+f6fa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcq9vb+im6o@eGroups.com>

I *think* but don't know for sure that David doesn't have time to be 
a full-blown FAQ member now, although it is my goal to coax him into 
trying his hand at wielding the Enchilada.  My "come hither" glances 
tend to have that effect on men.  ;-)

David, is that correct for now?

Cindy

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Phyllis" <erisedstraeh2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> Welcome, David!  I'm sorry to be late in welcoming you - real life 
> has been massively intervening with my fun lately.  And to answer 
> your question - no, I really don't know what I'm getting into here, 
> but I'm willing to dive in nonetheless!
> 
> Cindy and Porphyria - I didn't have David on the latest version of 
> the team list - would you like me to send you a new version with 
his 
> name added, or do you want to add him to the list yourself?  Just 
let 
> me know.  Thanks!
> 
> ~Phyllis
> who is not sure whether to be embarrassed or proud about her 432 
posts




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 21:26:49 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:26:49 -0000
Subject: Help with Calculations (WAS: 432 Posts???  Moi???)
In-Reply-To: <bcq9rd+798f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcqlep+auct@eGroups.com>

It actually never occurred to me that the number was incorrect - I 
know I can't shut up, so I figured I had lost track of my postiness!

I work with numbers all day long (unfortunately), so I'd be happy to 
help you check the calculations if you'd like a hand.

~Phyllis
who's still happy she can stay in the Hall of Fame with 190 posts




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 21:57:12 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:57:12 -0000
Subject: Polls
Message-ID: <bcqn7o+n92p@eGroups.com>

I'm trying to catch up here (can you tell?), and I've just voted in 
the two polls, but I'm wondering whether it might make more sense to 
complete these polls *after* we read OoP.  I'm just thinking that it 
might be easier to determine which FPs would need updating once we 
know what new information OoP provides.  

Perhaps we could do another round of voting after we've read OoP if 
it seems warranted?

~Phyllis




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 18 22:25:11 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:25:11 -0000
Subject: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
In-Reply-To: <bckos2+ftij@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcqos7+7p2i@eGroups.com>

On the question of how to handle entering new Fantastic Posts into 
the database, if we don't want to use another list, here's a 
suggestion:

Those FP-ers (did we ever reach consensus on what to call ourselves, 
btw??) who don't want to take the time to fill in the keywords could 
simply put the message number into the database and leave the 
keywords blank.  Then, we could have FP volunteers who would 
periodically review the database to see which messages do not have 
keywords filled in, and the volunteers could review the message and 
fill in the keywords.  Perhaps we could set up the database in two 
sections, one for FP-ers to use if they aren't going to fill in the 
keywords when they input the message number, and one for FP-ers to 
use if they are going to fill in the keywords.

Perhaps we could post a file that lists the main keywords that FP-ers 
should be using in the database to make it easier for the new folks 
(like me)?

Just some thoughts.

~Phyllis
who hasn't a clue how to forward a message from the main group to 
another group (can you do this if you're not an Elf?)




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 22:33:10 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:33:10 -0000
Subject: Polls
In-Reply-To: <bcqn7o+n92p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcqpb6+t1o4@eGroups.com>

Oh, absolutely.  You can change your vote anytime.  I doubt my votes 
will stay the same.

Cindy






From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 22:36:06 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:36:06 -0000
Subject: Fwd:  Re: [HPforGrownups] Unregistered Animagi
Message-ID: <bcqpgm+n5rc@eGroups.com>



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Danger Mouse" 
<dangermousehq at h...> wrote:
With only a couple days to go, Michaelkgidlow wrote:

<snipped> in case it contains spoilers.




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 22:36:54 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:36:54 -0000
Subject: The "Fantastic Posts" Database
In-Reply-To: <bcqos7+7p2i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcqpi6+n5s3@eGroups.com>

> ~Phyllis
> who hasn't a clue how to forward a message from the main group to 
> another group (can you do this if you're not an Elf?)

Oh, it's a snap.  If you're in webview, you go to the message and 
open it.  Hit "Forward."  Type the E-mail and hit send.  I just did 
it on a message from the main list.  I wonder if the message number 
displays?

We shall see.

Cindy




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Wed Jun 18 22:54:13 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:54:13 -0000
Subject: Oh, Dear
Message-ID: <bcqqil+ha0d@eGroups.com>

It appears that the problems on MEG over the new list "The Other 
Crowd" have affected us here on the FAQ list.  Simon has unsubbed 
from this list.  Bummer.  

Sorry folks.  

Cindy




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 19 01:42:10 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:42:10 -0000
Subject: New file uploaded to HP4GU-FAQ
In-Reply-To: <1055361385.9861.15137.w29@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcr4di+5h25@eGroups.com>

Um...Cindy.  

My screen name is Malady 579 *not* 583.

I could explain reason for those particular numbers, but it is very
obscure.

And I am so shocked I have that many.  And about 30 of them TBAY.  :D
 Teehee.  That number will grown indefinately.  


Melody







From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Thu Jun 19 02:23:07 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:23:07 -0000
Subject: Help with Calculations (WAS: 432 Posts???  Moi???)
In-Reply-To: <bcqlep+auct@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcr6qb+4du9@eGroups.com>

Whoops!

Yes, Phyllis.  Please double check my figures.  Math and I don't get 
along.  Not at all.  Thank you *so* much!

Cindy -- who thinks Melody should explain her handle with the 579 -- 
or was it 583?




From editor at texas.net  Thu Jun 19 03:27:30 2003
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:27:30 -0500
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Go SPURS! Was Re: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night
References: <bckmmg+nfm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c33612$b7c41ca0$4504a6d8@texas.net>

I'm sorry; I've been getting the family ready to go off on a trip and fell
behind in email.

Either directly or to the list, I'll see both. Thanks for responding! Must
run, watching Spurs celebration thing on TV.

~A

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Wall" <thomasmwall at yahoo.com>
To: <HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: [HP4GU-FAQ] Go SPURS! Was Re: HP Trivia Questions for Friday night


> Hi Amanda!
>
> Congrats on the Spurs' victory last night! Were you celebrating?
>
> Oh, and should we post trivia to this list, or mail it to you
> directly?
>
> -Tom
>
>
> --- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> > Request for assistance!
> >
> > Kelley and I are going to be part of one of the San Antonio
> Barnes&Noble's
> > Order of the Phoenix activities. We are dressing up and will be
> quizzing the
> > kids on HP trivia. Not sure for how long; not sure what ages.
> >
> > Can I beg you all to send me trivia questions? I can make some mean
> Snape
> > ones, but I'd like a broader spectrum. And I'd like to have enough
> to split
> > into First-Years, Second-Years, etc. I think we get to *run* the
> quiz.
> >
> > I could yank the questions from the trivia game, but that's only
> the first
> > book. The Barnes&Noble people made it clear that they want to cover
> all four
> > books.
> >
> > So, please, please, give me your suggestions! Kelley and I
> appreciate it!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Amandageist
> >
> > P.S.--I want to be Professor or Madam something...any ideas? My
> last name
> > just doesn't cut it. (Kelley's, either)
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Those who cannot hear the music, think the dancers daft.
>
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From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 12:24:05 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:24:05 -0000
Subject: Whoa!  What a *Rush!*
Message-ID: <bcuud5+ue71@eGroups.com>

Hey,

I just checked my e-mail to find the following:

*********************

Greetings from Amazon.com.

We thought you'd like to know that we shipped your items today, and 
that this completes your order.  

Thanks for shopping at Amazon.com, and we hope to see you again soon.

<snip>

The following items were included in this shipment:
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Qty      Item                           Price  Shipped  Subtotal
---------------------------------------------------------------------
1        Harry Potter and the Order of  $17.99  1       $17.99

***********************************



Oh, wow!  I feel like a *schoolgirl* waiting for prom night!  The 
knobbly-kneed man of my dreams is coming *tomorrow!*


You know, I actually had a dream about OoP last night.  I had 
received OoP and had settled down to read with a huge bag of Double 
Bubble bubble gum -- a really fresh bag where the gum was nice and 
soft.  (Don't ask.)  I was reading and reading and reading.  And 
reading.  And reading.

And I never got to the end.  I just kept reading.  I couldn't read 
the lists or post, because I hadn't finished the book.  The book was 
*Endless!*

I guess that's my worst nightmare.  Making me rather weird.  ;-)

Cindy -- who apologizes for posting this here, but who has pledged to 
stay away from OTC and Main until she finished OoP to avoid spoilers




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 12:25:30 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:25:30 -0000
Subject: A Very Welcome Addition
Message-ID: <bcuufq+7r73@eGroups.com>

Hey, all,

Just letting you know that David has decided to stay on the FAQ 
team.  So yes, let's put him on the team roster.

Cindy -- trying not to gush over David's decision




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 20 13:14:46 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:14:46 -0000
Subject: My handle (was: Help with Calculations)
In-Reply-To: <bcr6qb+4du9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcv1c6+q0in@eGroups.com>

 
> Cindy -- who thinks Melody should explain her handle with the 579 -- 
> or was it 583?


Hm.  Ok.

The Malady is from a middle school band director, my favorite teacher
of all time.  He called me that one day as a joke, and I did not know
what it meant.  He laughed and gave me a dictionary.  I read its
meaning and blushed.  I have liked it ever since as a nice play on my
name.

The 579 is extremely obscure.  So obscure even I barely know why I so
like it.  But I have two theories.  

One: there was a store down here named "579," and when I was of the
ages of 13-16, all I could wear was size 0.  (please do not hate me 
::grin::) The only place to find clothes that fit me was at that
store.  So its name is burned in my mind.  Now, luckly, even Old Navy
has size 0, so shopping is a bit easier.  

Two: When someone asks me to name a number between 1 and 10, I always
choose 5.  The number 7 is the number of God in my faith.  And I was
born in the 9th of June.  579.  ::looks around the room seeing blank
stares of amusement::

See.  Obscure, odd, and really rather weird, but that is what I have
come up with for why I like that sucession of numbers.  Maybe I just
like the ring of that line of odd numbers.


Melody
who is blushing a bit at how she can think about things *way* too much  




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 20 13:17:27 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:17:27 -0000
Subject: Whoa!  What a *Rush!*
In-Reply-To: <bcuud5+ue71@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcv1h7+fc92@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote: 
> Oh, wow!  I feel like a *schoolgirl* waiting for prom night!  The 
> knobbly-kneed man of my dreams is coming *tomorrow!*


Cindy, you are adorable.  :)


Melody
who is surprisingly sedate about OoP coming tomorrow.  I guess because
I can always wait for something that I know *will* happen without a
shadow of a doubt.  





From krisangelo at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 20 13:47:49 2003
From: krisangelo at hotmail.com (charisjulia)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 13:47:49 -0000
Subject: SLYTH: DE's, Aurors, and Justice
In-Reply-To: <bcl8ts+3ggt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcv3a5+560v@eGroups.com>

Right. I'm just making a very, very brief appearance here. . .


Since we're calling teams could I please add my name to the ? pause --
  to the -- oh boy-- to the --Gah! ?Slytherins? Oh, Shame! And here's 
me, a respectable Gryffindor and all. . . though, hmm, it's our 
choices that count, right? Oops! Ah, well, DEs/Auror/Justice * is* a 
fascinating subject.


I really, really just don't have the time to get into the discussion 
on how to divide the subject right now, though I do like the idea of 
an Evils-Doers-and-their-Pursuers/Government split with references 
and links, as Tom suggested. 


And now I'll perform my famous vanishing act once more, well and good 
this time (Cindy, you had been forewarned! :-) I'm still in the midst 
of exams, OoP comes out tonight and I'm not going to read it till 
they finish so as not to disturb my concentration (on Oop, I mean 
<g>) and then of course, I'm moving back home. . .

Happy Reading Everybody! I'll reappear as soon as I can.


Charis Julia





From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 14:07:57 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:07:57 -0000
Subject: My handle (was: Help with Calculations)
In-Reply-To: <bcv1c6+q0in@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcv4ft+6unn@eGroups.com>

Malady wrote:

> One: there was a store down here named "579," and when I was of the
> ages of 13-16, all I could wear was size 0.  (please do not hate me 
> ::grin::) The only place to find clothes that fit me was at that
> store.  So its name is burned in my mind.  Now, luckly, even Old 
>Navy has size 0, so shopping is a bit easier.  

<glances down at hips>


Uh, actually, I know that store "579."  The name means they only 
carry junior sizes 5, 7 and 9 (fellas, those are very tiny sizes; 
think Brittany Spears).  

I used to shop there as a teen.  And then, when I was 18, something 
happened.  I went there, and nothing fit.  Nothing.  So I 
associate "579" with my graduation from a skinny kid to a buxom, 
uh . . . just buxom.

 
> See.  Obscure, odd, and really rather weird, but that is what I have
> come up with for why I like that sucession of numbers.  Maybe I just
> like the ring of that line of odd numbers.

Cindy -- who thinks Melody is darn adorable her own self




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 14:13:39 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:13:39 -0000
Subject: Loose Ends
Message-ID: <bcv4qj+8l51@eGroups.com>

Howdy again,

Sorry for not combining, but I have to leave for the dentist (at my 
age, you *never* get good news at the dentist anymore).  Ugh.  So 
quickly . . . 

Here's an idea for what we might do about noting good posts we spot 
on the main list.  Let's go ahead and try simply entering things into 
the database on this list.  If you see a post that should go in the 
database but don't know/have time to deal with the keywords, leave 
them blank, but fill in a description.  Those of us who do know the 
keywords will try to fill them in when we have some time.

If it appears this isn't working, we can tweak it and try something 
else.

We've never really talked about how fantastic a post has to be to be 
fantastic.  We also haven't talked about what to do when a thread has 
a *lot* of fantastic posts (like the bullying thread) -- should we 
catalogue each one, or just the first one?

I'm not sure.  Thoughts?

Cindy -- off to floss just to make a good first impression on the 
dentist, and wondering whether he'll pull out that huge model of a 
mouth and show her how to brush her teeth like she's four years old 
or something




From jmmears at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 14:24:02 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:24:02 -0000
Subject: Loose Ends
In-Reply-To: <bcv4qj+8l51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcv5e2+q0se@eGroups.com>

Cindy wrote:

> We've never really talked about how fantastic a post has to be to 
be 
> fantastic.  We also haven't talked about what to do when a thread 
has 
> a *lot* of fantastic posts (like the bullying thread) -- should we 
> catalogue each one, or just the first one?
> 
> I'm not sure.  Thoughts?


I've been wondering about this myself.  Could some of the 
experienced members tell me what criteria they use when selecting 
posts?  Does it always have to be something you "like", something 
that's a new (to you) idea, even if not extremely well written?  I'm 
a bit hesitant to submit anything until I get a clearer idea, so I'd 
appreciate knowing how the rest of you decide.

Jo Serenadust




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 16:07:37 2003
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:07:37 -0000
Subject: Loose Ends
In-Reply-To: <bcv4qj+8l51@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcvbg9+ljod@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

> Here's an idea for what we might do about noting good posts we spot 
> on the main list.  Let's go ahead and try simply entering things 
into 
> the database on this list. If you see a post that should go in the 
> database but don't know/have time to deal with the keywords, leave 
> them blank, but fill in a description.  Those of us who do know the 
> keywords will try to fill them in when we have some time.

Yes, this is a good idea. Let's do it, though I don't think anyone 
should be concerned about putting incorrect keywords into the 
database because it takes about the same time to add one or to change 
one.  Most of them are really quite simple; for example, every 
character name is a keyword.  So if the post is about Harry, if you 
put Harry in, anyone who looked at the database would have some idea 
what it's about.  
> 
> We've never really talked about how fantastic a post has to be to 
be 
> fantastic.  We also haven't talked about what to do when a thread 
has 
> a *lot* of fantastic posts (like the bullying thread) -- should we 
> catalogue each one, or just the first one?
> 
> I'm not sure.  Thoughts?
> 
I will give the definitive answer here.  It depends.  Sometimes the 
entire thread is brilliant (Stoned Harry, for example).  Virtually 
every post in the thread built on the theory in some manner.  There, 
marking the first one  would be sufficient.  With other threads, like 
the bully thread (which went on for 300 posts), it would be more 
useful to pinpoint the landmark posts in the discussion, because a 
lot of the posts didn't add anything.  

The other thing is that when a thread is developing it's harder to 
figure out what will really stand out in the end.  

To answer Jo's question, what makes a post fantastic?  I think it's a 
lot like pornography -- I know it when I see it.  New theories, new 
ways of looking at things, something well-presented.  I think posts 
that summarize and cite to a lot of past thinking on a particular 
question (especially past thinking from periods that aren't included 
in the Enchilada) should be marked in the database even if they're 
not really brilliant posts because they will lead to other relevant 
posts.  I wouldn't include anything with really bad spelling or 
grammar.

But this is just my opinion.  Do others have any additional thoughts?

Debbie




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 20 17:13:00 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:13:00 -0000
Subject: Loose Ends
In-Reply-To: <bcvbg9+ljod@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bcvfas+s37@eGroups.com>

Oh, good *grief!*  

I was supposed to go to the dentist on Tuesday, and I got a flat tire 
pulling out of my driveway.  Appointment cancelled.

Today, I got there, signed in, waited, and then realized I hadn't 
taken a pill.  Yeah, I can *die* from having my teeth cleaned if I 
don't take an antibiotic first.  Cleaning cancelled.

Next chance for sparkling teeth -- late July.  Argh!

OK, now . . . 

Debbie:

> But this is just my opinion.  Do others have any additional 
>thoughts?

Not many, because Debbie summarized my thinking very nicely.

One thing I keep in mind, though, is the Yahoo threading function.  
If someone posts in webview and they reply to a post, Yahoo will 
reflect the post as part of the thread.  Some folks post from digest 
though, and their posts often show up as new threads, even if the 
substance of the post is a reply.

So when reading the main list, if you see a fantastic post and it 
isn't linked to prior posts in a great thread, you might want to add 
it to the database.  Otherwise, it will be lost and gone forever.

Regarding post quality, I try to look for posts that are logical and 
well-constructed.  Even form matters (hideous snipping or 
attribution) will make me sour on the post -- although things like 
that can be overlooked for really unusual and great posts.  

And *funny!*  Funny is good!  ;-)

My main guidelines, though, are (1) whether someone writing an FP 
would likely want to use the post, and (2) whether a reader of an FP 
who clicked on that link would roll their eyes and think they had 
been cheated.

Oh, and let me make a quick pitch for using keywords.  If you go to 
the keyword database, you can hit "printable record."  This will 
convert the database table into one long document instead of multiple 
webview screens that take forever to load.  It also becomes 
searchable (CTRL F).  So if you have a fantastic post that talks 
about how Hagrid betrays Hermione in OoP, you could search 
for "betray" to see if that word is used or something else is used.  

And remember, you'll have to get a handle on the keywords if you're 
going to write an FP later, so learning them slowly now will pay off 
later.  

Right?  Right?  ;-)

Mmmm, what else?

Cindy -- who was 




From abigailnus at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 20 17:26:42 2003
From: abigailnus at yahoo.com (abigailnus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:26:42 -0000
Subject: Radio Silence
Message-ID: <bcvg4i+j3tv@eGroups.com>

I'm aware of the irony inherent in announcing that I'm dropping 
off the list, given that it's been more than a week since I last 
posted - it's quite a bit like telling someone that you're not 
talking to them anymore.  However, as of this instant, I won't be 
checking any of my HPfGU groups.  Since I started frequenting 
the main list more then 18 months ago, they've become daily 
stops for me, with the longest time I've ever been disconnected 
from them being two weeks.  I expect the OOP silence to be 
longer - quite apart from the fact that I plan to draw out the 
reading of OOP as long as I can (Cindy, I can't believe the idea 
of a book that never ends was your worst nightmere!), I'll be 
starting final exams at the beginning of July.  My last one is on 
July 24th, and I'll try to check in soon after that.  I feel that my 
longest absence from HPfGU since joining ought to be marked 
somehow (it is also ironic to note that this is the very first time 
I've initiated a thread in any HPfGU groups - all my other posts 
have been responses).

Have a great time reading OOP, guys, and to those of you going
 to Nimbus, know that I'm thinking of you with great jealousy.  I 
hope it's everything you (and I) imagine it will be. 

See you on the flip side,
Abigail




From kippesp at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 20 20:04:36 2003
From: kippesp at yahoo.com (kippesp)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:04:36 -0000
Subject: The FAQs are being read
Message-ID: <bcvpck+704h@eGroups.com>

We've not been doing stats on the FP's until just recently.  But I 
knew everyone who's written an FAQ or help would be happy to know 
that there has been a hugh increase in server activity for the 
hpfu.uk.org site.

Date -- requests -- pages -- MB

Jun/ 8/03:  1226:    371:  12.25: 

Jun/ 9/03:  2088:    676:  21.17: 
Jun/10/03:  2388:    745:  28.97: 
Jun/11/03:  1944:    641:  22.12: 
Jun/12/03:  2421:    750:  27.43: 
Jun/13/03:  2710:    808:  26.71: 
Jun/14/03:  1956:    627:  22.38: 

Jun/15/03:  2142:    635:  25.67: 
Jun/16/03:  3995:   1536:  44.01: 
Jun/17/03:  3882:   1223:  55.72: 
Jun/18/03:  5638:   1753:  62.85: 
Jun/19/03:  7061:   2236:  77.13: 





From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 23 02:59:02 2003
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:59:02 -0000
Subject: the main site
Message-ID: <bd5qdm+umb1@eGroups.com>

After being on the road for five hours, I sit here blinking in
amazement at the main site's volume with an average of a post or two a
minute since it opened...

Um....

Is it too early to retire from FAQ?  ::grin::

Any way we can chart and see if all 7000+ members are posting?  Sure
seems like they are attempting to.


Melody
who is going to bed.











From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 23 03:15:24 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:15:24 -0000
Subject: the main site/government
In-Reply-To: <bd5qdm+umb1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bd5rcc+r0qi@eGroups.com>

Melody wrote:
Um....

Is it too early to retire from FAQ?  ::grin::

Tom replies:
Well, luckily for us, most of these posts are not stuff that I'd 
call *fantastic.* They seem more like general thoughts and opinions 
on OoP, rather than anything that would be useful in a FAQ.

Oh, and, funny how we were talking about this before, but I'm 
thinking that the need for a government FAQ might have gotten some 
extra steam in this book.

Hope y'all enjoyed (or else, are enjoying) your read!

-Tom




From porphyria at mindspring.com  Thu Jun 26 03:48:22 2003
From: porphyria at mindspring.com (Porphyria)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:48:22 -0400
Subject: Fwd: thank you
Message-ID: <08905456-A789-11D7-98FC-000393465128@mindspring.com>

This is the weirdest email I've gotten yet from the FP site  -- should 
I write back and tell her I'm not who she seems to think I am?

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Vicky Parker" <pacuvp at earthlink.net>
> Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003  6:51:20 PM US/Eastern
> To: <porphyria at mindspring.com>
> Subject: thank you
> Reply-To: "Vicky Parker" <pacuvp at earthlink.net>
>
> Hi Ms Rowling, thank you for your 5th book, my family and I have been 
> waiting for it. I would like to bless you for getting my daughter who 
> is audio dyslexic into the joy of reading. She never read for fun 
> until Harry, she has read all 4 of your books -TWICE. My whole family, 
> 3 daughters and parents have thoroughly enjoyed Harry and his friends. 
> I'm almost finished with "The order of the Phoenix" andhope Harry 
> survives his many problems.? Thank you again, Vicky


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Jun 26 08:33:39 2003
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:33:39 -0000
Subject: Fwd: thank you
In-Reply-To: <08905456-A789-11D7-98FC-000393465128@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <bdeb53+fuip@eGroups.com>

Porphyria wrote:
> This is the weirdest email I've gotten yet from the FP site  -- 
should 
> I write back and tell her I'm not who she seems to think I am?

Oh, only if it's true, Porphyria.  No need for false modesty here.

David

> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "Vicky Parker" <pacuvp at e...>
> > Date: Wed Jun 25, 2003  6:51:20 PM US/Eastern
> > To: <porphyria at m...>
> > Subject: thank you
> > Reply-To: "Vicky Parker" <pacuvp at e...>
> >
> > Hi Ms Rowling, thank you for your 5th book, my family and I have 
been 
> > waiting for it. I would like to bless you for getting my 
daughter who 
> > is audio dyslexic into the joy of reading. She never read for 
fun 
> > until Harry, she has read all 4 of your books -TWICE. My whole 
family, 
> > 3 daughters and parents have thoroughly enjoyed Harry and his 
friends. 
> > I'm almost finished with "The order of the Phoenix" andhope 
Harry 
> > survives his many problems.? Thank you again, Vicky
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 13:05:29 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:05:29 -0000
Subject: The FAQs are being read
In-Reply-To: <bcvpck+704h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bdhfep+q81h@eGroups.com>

Paul wrote:

>But I 
> knew everyone who's written an FAQ or help would be happy to know 
> that there has been a hugh increase in server activity for the 
> hpfu.uk.org site.

Oooh!  They like us!  They really like us!  ;-)

Thanks, Paul!


 
> Date -- requests -- pages -- MB
> 
> Jun/ 8/03:  1226:    371:  12.25: 
> 
> Jun/ 9/03:  2088:    676:  21.17: 

So does this mean that on June 8, 1,226 people logged on and read 371 
pages?  I'm so confused!

Cindy -- unsure what, if anything, should be done with the Sirius FP 
(Dicey?)




From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Jun 28 00:27:05 2003
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 00:27:05 -0000
Subject: The FAQs are being read
In-Reply-To: <bdhfep+q81h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bdincp+dggo@eGroups.com>

--- In HP4GU-FAQ at yahoogroups.com, "Cindy C." <cindysphynx at c...> wrote:

> Cindy -- unsure what, if anything, should be done with the Sirius FP 
> (Dicey?)

Um.  It should be updated.  I'll get on it post-Nimbus.

--Dicey




From cindysphynx at comcast.net  Sat Jun 28 22:13:17 2003
From: cindysphynx at comcast.net (Cindy C.)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:13:17 -0000
Subject: OoP FAQs on Main List
Message-ID: <bdl3tt+abf8@eGroups.com>

Hey, folks,

I read over the OOP FAQs on the home page, and they gave me an idea.  
Most of the FAQs are mysteries and possible FLINTs, right?  Well, we 
do have a Mysteries FP.  Should we maybe try to compile a list of 
FLINTs and other oddities in OoP?  Maybe if we put our heads together 
we could at least come up with an outline.

Should we be thinking about this now, do you think?

Cindy