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<P><FONT SIZE=2>It's not a libel issue, it's a copyright infringement issue. And Yahoo, at least the US version of Yahoo, does NOT own the text of the posts - each individual poster does. It says so right here:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2><<With respect to all other Content you elect to post to other publicly accessible areas of the Service, you grant Yahoo the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. >> (this is from their terms of service agreement at <A HREF="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/" TARGET="_blank">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/</A>)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Of course, this means that each individual poster's copyright is being infringed by the files which bundle all the messages together. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Penny - would you like to put something in the "Intro" to the club section which says "If You Join You Grant The Founders the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed." </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Then the founders have the right to bundle all the messages AND can sublicense the right to bundle all messages.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>And what do newsgroups and clubs without an in-house intellectual property lawyer do?!?!?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: Paul Kippes [<A HREF="mailto:kippesp@yahoo.com">mailto:kippesp@yahoo.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 4:00 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: HP4GU-FAQ@egroups.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: RE: [HP4GU-FAQ] Yahoo...& legal sensitivity</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Earlier, Penny wasn't sure about the accessability of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> our Yahoo! club. Anyone can read all the messages. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (Incidentally, that made archiving the club MUCH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> easier and faster since no cookies were involved.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> I'm so much concerned about US libel laws (British</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> perhaps) as I am about IP. We--or rather</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> smitster--have, in effect, taken Yahoo! property and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> placed it on another public site.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --- "Tandy, Heidi"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> <heidi.h.tandy.c92@alumni.upenn.edu> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Just as an aside, this is one moment when I would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > *love* to know exactly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > what Nancy Stouffer's legal people said/.wrote to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Jenna, who does that great</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > HP site, to see how close we'll be going to her</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > "touchypoints" with what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > we're doing. Does anyone know?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > From: Penny & Bryce Linsenmayer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > [<A HREF="mailto:linsenma@hic.net">mailto:linsenma@hic.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > Again, I'll defer to Heidi. But, I'm not sure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > zoom.com is any more public</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > or any more troublesome than Yahoo in that regard. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > People can lurk & read</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > our messages without joining the Club (I *think*). </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I hope I'm not speaking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > out of turn on that point -- I'm fairly certain we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > have open archives so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > that people can evaluate whether to join or not (but</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > I could be totally</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > making that up). But, I'm not sure there's any real</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > cause for concern on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > those grounds. Plus, I don't honestly think anyone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > has said anything truly</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > libelous -- nasty (yes), analytical about her claims</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > (yes) & judgmental</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > (yes). But, libel . . . .well, Heidi can answer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> > better than I. </FONT>
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