From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr  4 08:44:22 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:44:22 -0000
Subject: UPDATE: Sunday, 4th April
Message-ID: <c4oht6+au6c@eGroups.com>

Hi

The catalogue website powers forward. Paul has now linked the 
categories list with the coding screen. Some fine tuning and display 
work is now in progress, but we are seriously getting there. Bet you 
can't wait !

Carolyn
Very tired and muddy from an entire spring weekend spent in the 
garden..




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr 11 12:23:00 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:23:00 -0000
Subject: UPDATE, Easter Sunday, 11th April
Message-ID: <c5bdb4+8jtr@eGroups.com>

Great progress. The site is working to the extent that I have been 
able to categorise the first 500 posts from the old Yahoo club. Paul 
and I are just sorting out some details of how it all works, and then 
I will be emailing and posting to you the instructions for how we get 
going.

Carolyn
Mistakenly excited at the prospect of categorising 100 000 posts, and 
going to get in more essential supplies of chocolate eggs.




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 12 19:31:06 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:31:06 -0000
Subject: UPDATE, Easter Sunday, 11th April
In-Reply-To: <c5bdb4+8jtr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c5eqpq+mbi1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> Great progress. The site is working to the extent that I have been 
> able to categorise the first 500 posts from the old Yahoo club. Paul 
> and I are just sorting out some details of how it all works, and then 
> I will be emailing and posting to you the instructions for how we get 
> going.
> 
> Carolyn
> Mistakenly excited at the prospect of categorising 100 000 posts, and 
> going to get in more essential supplies of chocolate eggs.

Great!

But...chocolate eggs?  *Much* too difficult to peel and eat while
working at a computer!  One nice solid chocolate bunny would probably
be better...

Anne
who figures the three "bulk" mailings that showed up over the weekend
with dire-looking subject lines and identically-sized 41k attachments
are *yet another* virus, but couldn't find out what ones they were...




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Sun Apr 18 06:07:02 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 06:07:02 -0000
Subject: British or American spellings
Message-ID: <c5t5u6+2ejr@eGroups.com>

I think I know the answer I'll get, but I'll ask anyway.

In the web application we have so far, I've used American spellings 
for things (categorize rather than categorise).

Might as well settle on one way or the other.





From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Apr 18 09:02:54 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:02:54 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] British or American spellings
In-Reply-To: <c5t5u6+2ejr@eGroups.com>
References: <c5t5u6+2ejr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <2DD41F52-9117-11D8-AE99-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>




> I think I know the answer I'll get, but I'll ask anyway.
>
>  In the web application we have so far, I've used American spellings
>  for things (categorize rather than categorise).
>
>  Might as well settle on one way or the other.


Color?
Grey?
Gotten?

Arrgghh!

I suspect the malign influence of Spellcheckers cobbled together 
somewhere in  the vicinity of Seattle. And personally I hate the 
proclivity of turning nouns into verbs by adding -ise anyway. Going a 
step further by using -ize in an effort to contemporize or even 
universalize the constitutionalization of word construction induces 
feelings of martyrization.  (Yet another word this damn machine 
considers an adjunct to civilization as it sees it. )

I must go and lie down in a darkened room.

Barry






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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 18 14:38:56 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:38:56 -0000
Subject: British or American spellings
In-Reply-To: <2DD41F52-9117-11D8-AE99-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c5u3u0+c8l5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I think I know the answer I'll get, but I'll ask anyway.
> >
> >  In the web application we have so far, I've used American spellings
> >  for things (categorize rather than categorise).
> >
> >  Might as well settle on one way or the other.
> 
> 
> Color?
> Grey?
> Gotten?
> 
> Arrgghh!
> 
> I suspect the malign influence of Spellcheckers cobbled together 
> somewhere in  the vicinity of Seattle. And personally I hate the 
> proclivity of turning nouns into verbs by adding -ise anyway. Going a 
> step further by using -ize in an effort to contemporize or even 
> universalize the constitutionalization of word construction induces 
> feelings of martyrization.  (Yet another word this damn machine 
> considers an adjunct to civilization as it sees it. )
> 
> I must go and lie down in a darkened room.
> 
> Barry

Poor dear!

Hey, I can Britspell.  Turns out, I normally write -ise anyway, think
"as well" works better than "too," and my spellchecker prefers "gray"
(not that I ever use it).  It won't kill me to start writing in colour.

Besides, I worry for Barry because I'm sure there will be a certain
amount of butterflies and rose-colour at the end of book seven.  ;-)

Anne





From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr 18 21:22:23 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:22:23 -0000
Subject: British or American spellings
In-Reply-To: <c5u3u0+c8l5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c5urif+7usd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I think I know the answer I'll get, but I'll ask anyway.
> > >
> > >  In the web application we have so far, I've used American 
spellings
> > >  for things (categorize rather than categorise).
> > >
> > >  Might as well settle on one way or the other.
> > 
> > 
> > Color?
> > Grey?
> > Gotten?
> > 
> > Arrgghh!
> > 
> > I suspect the malign influence of Spellcheckers cobbled together 
> > somewhere in  the vicinity of Seattle. And personally I hate the 
> > proclivity of turning nouns into verbs by adding -ise anyway. 
Going a 
> > step further by using -ize in an effort to contemporize or even 
> > universalize the constitutionalization of word construction 
induces 
> > feelings of martyrization.  (Yet another word this damn machine 
> > considers an adjunct to civilization as it sees it. )
> > 
> > I must go and lie down in a darkened room.
> > 
> > Barry
> 
> Poor dear!
> 
> Hey, I can Britspell.  Turns out, I normally write -ise anyway, 
think
> "as well" works better than "too," and my spellchecker 
prefers "gray"
> (not that I ever use it).  It won't kill me to start writing in 
colour.
> 
> Besides, I worry for Barry because I'm sure there will be a certain
> amount of butterflies and rose-colour at the end of book seven.  ;-)
> 
> Anne

Hah ! Our first major hurdle. The list is 70-80% US members I seem to 
remember.. but, dare I say it, because the books are British, we 
should try and use Brit spelling ?? Think of it as a homage to JKR...

Hum, as for Barry, a listie found him out months ago - a soft spot 
for Molly I believe, furiously denied of course ! (ducks and runs..)

Carolyn





From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr 18 21:32:45 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:32:45 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
Message-ID: <c5us5t+9aqf@eGroups.com>

Great news, we have got the site just about working. I have uploaded 
a file called 'Cataloguing Site Notes' which gives full instructions. 
Please take a look...

Paul has done a great job in carrying out the basic specification, 
which was 'No tech stuff'. What we have ended up with is a site 
anyone can access through their current browser, and you don't have 
to learn any weird new programmes, just begin right away categorising 
posts.

The site will continue to be developed in all sorts of ways whilst we 
get on with the work, but personally I am just so pleased to have got 
this far: thank you Paul.

Ok, there are bound to be a million questions, so lets be hearing 
from you.

Cheers
Carolyn




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Apr 20 18:56:56 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:56:56 -0000
Subject: British or American spellings
In-Reply-To: <c5urif+7usd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c63rpo+ps0b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

> Hah ! Our first major hurdle. The list is 70-80% US members I seem to 
> remember.. but, dare I say it, because the books are British, we 
> should try and use Brit spelling ?? Think of it as a homage to JKR...

I vote for British spelling *and* punctuation.  It *is* the convention
that JKR uses when she writes, after all.  Despite the overwhelming US
majority on the lists, it would do us Yanks a bit of good to abide by
another set of conventions instead of having everything translated for us.

--Dicentra, who thought Barry's analysis was a hootenizer






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Thu Apr 22 04:10:18 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:10:18 -0000
Subject: Accessing catalog site
Message-ID: <c67gja+oqiu@eGroups.com>

Be sure that you attempt to browse to http://24.0.225.196:8888 
either just before or just after emailing me for the site username 
and password.

I'm not suppose to be running a public web server.  This will allow 
me to let your IP address through my firewall and still not violate 
my TOS.

Also, is someone here in Atlanta, GA (and/or using DSL from 
BellSouth)?  Your IP address should get in fine.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 22 14:27:20 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:27:20 -0000
Subject: Accessing catalog site -- Problem
In-Reply-To: <c67gja+oqiu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c68ko8+pf02@eGroups.com>

I'm in Pittsburgh PA, using DSL from (I think) Verizon.  I can't get
past your firewall.

Anne

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" <paul-groups at w...>
wrote:
> Be sure that you attempt to browse to http://24.0.225.196:8888 
> either just before or just after emailing me for the site username 
> and password.
> 
> I'm not suppose to be running a public web server.  This will allow 
> me to let your IP address through my firewall and still not violate 
> my TOS.
> 
> Also, is someone here in Atlanta, GA (and/or using DSL from 
> BellSouth)?  Your IP address should get in fine.




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Thu Apr 22 20:22:04 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:22:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Accessing catalog site -- Problem
In-Reply-To: <c68ko8+pf02@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040422202204.82141.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>

Found ya!  


--- annemehr <annemehr at yahoo.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
I'm in Pittsburgh PA, using DSL from (I think) Verizon.  I can't get
past your firewall.

Anne

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" <paul-groups at w...>
wrote:
> Be sure that you attempt to browse to http://24.0.225.196:8888 
> either just before or just after emailing me for the site username 
> and password.
> 
> I'm not suppose to be running a public web server.  This will allow

> me to let your IP address through my firewall and still not violate

> my TOS.
> 
> Also, is someone here in Atlanta, GA (and/or using DSL from 
> BellSouth)?  Your IP address should get in fine.



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From dicentra at xmission.com  Sat Apr 24 07:45:56 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:45:56 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <c5us5t+9aqf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c6d5vk+b7lj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "a_reader2003"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> Ok, there are bound to be a million questions, so lets be hearing 
> from you.

Uh, sure you want this?  I don't have a million, but...

1) Should we add a text field wherein the cataloguer can add a comment
if desired, such as "includes minute-by-minute breakdown of Shrieking
Shack scene."  This would aid the FAQers tremendously.

2) I noticed that most of the Inish Alley acronyms have been made
categories.  Should we remove all those acronyms that didn't live
beyond the post in which they were coined (comprising most of them)? 
For example, listies frequently used MAGIC DISHWASHER and LOLLIPOPS as
shorthand for their respective theories, but IMPISH LLAMA DRAPE and I
GOT YOUR PARALLELISM RIGHT HERE MISTER never caught on, clever though
they are.  Furthermore, "George" is by far the most-used (and most
personified) Snapetheory, but it's not an acronym.  

As the curator of Inish Alley and erstwhile participant in TBAY, I can
help mark which acronyms became useful to the list (and therefore to
the catalogue) and which did not.

3) Am I to understand that we are not to monkey with the categories as
of yet, i.e., we can neither create, edit, nor destroy?

That should be enough for now.

--Dicentra




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Apr 24 09:36:15 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 09:36:15 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <c6d5vk+b7lj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c6dcef+v0ih@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Dicentra spectabilis" 
<dicentra at x> wrote:

> 1) Should we add a text field wherein the cataloguer can add a 
comment if desired, such as "includes minute-by-minute breakdown of 
Shrieking Shack scene."  This would aid the FAQers tremendously.

Carolyn: I would have no problem with this, but its one for Paul to 
sort out how it could be achieved. I guess it would be an optional 
text box on the category list - Paul: what would be the implications 
of this?

I added one category 'Fantastic Post' which we could click if we were 
really wowed by something, but this would be a further enhancement.
> 
> 2) I noticed that most of the Inish Alley acronyms have been made
> categories.  Should we remove all those acronyms that didn't live
> beyond the post in which they were coined (comprising most of 
them)? For example, listies frequently used MAGIC DISHWASHER and 
LOLLIPOPS as shorthand for their respective theories, but IMPISH 
LLAMA DRAPE and I GOT YOUR PARALLELISM RIGHT HERE MISTER never caught 
on, clever though they are.  Furthermore, "George" is by far the most-
used (and most personified) Snapetheory, but it's not an acronym.  
> 
> As the curator of Inish Alley and erstwhile participant in TBAY, I 
can help mark which acronyms became useful to the list (and therefore 
to the catalogue) and which did not.

Carolyn:
Hm. Interesting point. One of my big gripes with the FP section as it 
currently stands is that it doesn't give a quick, clear summary of 
where a theory stopped, started and diverged. A lot of post numbers 
are quoted, but usually too many, and they often repeat themselves in 
a confusing way. My idea on this category list was to provide a 
definitive list of which posts related to which acronym (even if it 
was only ever one post), so people could follow a theory thread right 
through and know where it started and stopped.

However, I hear what you are saying and we could have a rule that if 
an acronym generated no more than one or two posts that it gets 
downgraded and just coded up to its constituent parts. For IMPISH 
LLAMA DRAPE (Impoverished Molly's Parenting Isn't So Harsh! Lousy 
Lunches and Maroon Apparel Don't Render a Parent Evil), this would 
mean the post (36045) would simply get coded to Molly Weasley in 
section 2, and perhaps also the 'parenting' code in section 1. I 
could live with this.

George isn't an acronym, of course. However, its a term so widely 
used, I thought it might be useful to have it on our list, in order 
that people can follow through the whole wild series of mentions, and 
understand what it was all about (or not, as the case may be <g>).
> 
> 3) Am I to understand that we are not to monkey with the categories 
as of yet, i.e., we can neither create, edit, nor destroy?

Carolyn:
Um, yes, if you don't mind. If people do this on their own 
initiative, it means other people could be actively coding up to a 
category which has just been deleted or re-named to mean something 
else. I can imagine this making everyone very cross, so I am 
proposing that we post ideas for changes on this site, discuss them 
as necessary, and then I implement the agreed ones in one go, perhaps 
once a week, and record those changes in my update, so everyone knows 
what is happening.

Its a bit clumsy, but I can't think of any other way of doing it at 
the moment. Also, whilst making additions to the category list is 
straightforward enough, deleting categories causes quite a lot of 
problems. In fact, if I understand Paul correctly, we can't actually 
do it if anything has been coded up to the category so far - he will 
have to physically move those posts to another location first.

Some of the same problems occur if we re-name a category - we have to 
consider the effect of that on what is coded to the category so far. 
At this stage, the lists of posts are relatively short, but by the 
time we get into many thousands of posts, the consequences have to be 
considered fairly carefully. In fact, when we have a bigger team 
working on the project, we will probably have to 'lock' the category 
list in some way to prevent accidents.

> 
> That should be enough for now.
> 
> --Dicentra

Please don't apologise - I am relieved and keen to discuss the 
project in this kind of detail at long last. Its been in my head for 
so long !




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Apr 24 13:47:07 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:47:07 -0000
Subject: Thanks to Kneasy
Message-ID: <c6dr4r+82mb@eGroups.com>

Just like to say a big thanks to Barry for his recent post 96852, 
essentially in defence of theorising. I will be quite honest and say 
I have come close to leaving HPfGU for a while (eg until the next 
book) because of the slurry of apple pie that seemed to have been 
tipped over every interesting post recently. 

I suppose its all part of the natural life-cycle of a group like 
this - the main action and the naughty sharp minds pile in until they 
get bored, then its left to others to pick over the bits until 
something new happens.

There also seems to be a great hidden worry that the books might not 
turn out to be a nice series for kids after all. Asserting that 
JKR 'couldn't possibly' do this that or the other seems to me a way 
of steadily marginalising the more inventive thinkers, and asserting 
the views of the more conservative majority. 'Twas ever thus, and I 
suppose that's democracy for you etc, but as one of life's awkward 
squad it has me biting the carpet. 

I have no more knowledge of JKR's eventual intentions than anyone 
else, but I do know I will be profoundly disappointed at a 
simplistic, 'happy ever after' ending. I take courage from her 
evident feisty temper, sarcastic British sense of humour, and the 
complexity of what she has produced so far. 

I'm sticking with HPfGU for now mainly because we have this project 
just off the ground, which I hope will help find and celebrate the 
most interesting thinking from the past. The intention being to 
showcase those posts/threads in a way that will hopefully raise the 
quality and standards of posting on the list in time for the deluge 
that will accompany Book 6.

Over time and the publication of Books 6 and 7, I hope the project 
will continue to build so that we have a ready-made source for 
constructing that book of the alternative Potterverse which Kneasy 
mentioned recently, and which I suggested when I first proposed the 
project to Admin, back in August last year. If we do the work 
carefully, it should be possible to pull out the best, the wackiest, 
the most plain wrong, funniest etc (not mutually exclusive 
categories), which we could pull together into a book published for 
charity, and presented to her with our compliments. 

Sorry..a bit of a rant and a manifesto for why I want the catalogue 
to happen. Couldn't post it on the main list because we are not ready 
to announce the project, and anyway, really couldn't face the 
depressing task of slugging it out with Geoff, Jim, Steve etc. Thank 
goodness Barry is willing to do it.

Carolyn




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Sat Apr 24 20:24:47 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <c6dcef+v0ih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040424202447.84793.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- a_reader2003 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Dicentra spectabilis" 
<dicentra at x> wrote:

> 1) Should we add a text field wherein the cataloguer can add a 
comment if desired, such as "includes minute-by-minute breakdown of 
Shrieking Shack scene."  This would aid the FAQers tremendously.

Carolyn: I would have no problem with this, but its one for Paul to 
sort out how it could be achieved. I guess it would be an optional 
text box on the category list - Paul: what would be the implications 
of this?

This would be no problem.  I just need to do some testing.


	
		
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Apr 25 09:21:01 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:21:01 +0100
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <20040424202447.84793.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040424202447.84793.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DE54AC00-9699-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Dunno  if I'm doing something  wrong (probable) or  if the mail I sent 
yesterday to Paul at the Yahoo! address quoted in Carolyn's instruction 
sheet requesting access never got there (very possible), but - help! 
Locked out  in the cold, unloved, cast  aside like an old shoe, forced 
to submit to a  consideration of the crop rotation of mandrakes when I 
could be quaffing draughts from the well-springs of wisdom.

What do I try next?

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr 25 10:23:18 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:23:18 -0000
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <DE54AC00-9699-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6g3im+kq65@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Dunno  if I'm doing something  wrong (probable) or  if the mail I 
sent 
> yesterday to Paul at the Yahoo! address quoted in Carolyn's 
instruction 
> sheet requesting access never got there (very possible), but - 
help! 
> Locked out  in the cold, unloved, cast  aside like an old shoe, 
forced 
> to submit to a  consideration of the crop rotation of mandrakes 
when I 
> could be quaffing draughts from the well-springs of wisdom.
> 
> What do I try next?
> 
> Barry

Patience sir, Paul is a resident of the US of A and probably enjoying 
his beauty sleep right now ! Also, be sure to hit the site address 
with your browser as well as email Paul. Although you won't get in, 
the site collects your computer's details, which Paul then uses to 
set up your access. He visits this site regularly, and will have you 
up and running in no time.

Looking forward to your reactions to it all.

Cheers
Carolyn






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Apr 25 11:04:25 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:04:25 +0100
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <c6g3im+kq65@eGroups.com>
References: <c6g3im+kq65@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5075A908-96A8-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


>
>  Patience sir, Paul is a resident of the US of A and probably enjoying
>  his beauty sleep right now ! Also, be sure to hit the site address
>  with your browser as well as email Paul. Although you won't get in,
>  the site collects your computer's details, which Paul then uses to
>  set up your access. He visits this site regularly, and will have you
>  up and running in no time.
>
>  Looking forward to your reactions to it all.
>
>  Cheers
>  Carolyn
>
>
>
>

I did all that, and I sent  the e-mail 1546 BST yesterday to allow him 
a lie-in on a Saturday morning.

The  fact that he answered a message from Dicentra later yesterday 
makes me think that Yahoo!Mort has struck again.

Barry

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From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Sun Apr 25 16:15:45 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} Re: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <5075A908-96A8-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20040425161545.60002.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com>

I missed it or accidentally deleted it.  You should be able to see
the site now.

--- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Patience sir, Paul is a resident of the US of A and probably
> enjoying
> >  his beauty sleep right now ! Also, be sure to hit the site
> address
> >  with your browser as well as email Paul. Although you won't get
> in,
> >  the site collects your computer's details, which Paul then uses
> to
> >  set up your access. He visits this site regularly, and will have
> you
> >  up and running in no time.
> >
> >  Looking forward to your reactions to it all.
> >
> >  Cheers
> >  Carolyn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I did all that, and I sent  the e-mail 1546 BST yesterday to allow
> him 
> a lie-in on a Saturday morning.
> 
> The  fact that he answered a message from Dicentra later yesterday 
> makes me think that Yahoo!Mort has struck again.
> 
> Barry
> 
> 



	
		
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Apr 25 16:50:24 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:50:24 +0100
Subject: {groups} Re: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <20040425161545.60002.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040425161545.60002.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A5A02448-96D8-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Thanks for the info - *but* I browse back to the mystic numbers, the  
page remains blank and then I  get timed out after 60 seconds by  
Safari.

Is this the revenge of the machines?

Barry




On 25 Apr 2004, at 17:15, Paul Kippes wrote:

> I missed it or accidentally deleted it.  You should be able to see
> the site now.
>
> --- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Patience sir, Paul is a resident of the US of A and probably
>> enjoying
>>>  his beauty sleep right now ! Also, be sure to hit the site
>> address
>>>  with your browser as well as email Paul. Although you won't get
>> in,
>>>  the site collects your computer's details, which Paul then uses
>> to
>>>  set up your access. He visits this site regularly, and will have
>> you
>>>  up and running in no time.
>>>
>>>  Looking forward to your reactions to it all.
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I did all that, and I sent  the e-mail 1546 BST yesterday to allow
>> him
>> a lie-in on a Saturday morning.
>>
>> The  fact that he answered a message from Dicentra later yesterday
>> makes me think that Yahoo!Mort has struck again.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Sun Apr 25 17:44:58 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} Re: {groups} Re: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <A5A02448-96D8-11D8-A61E-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20040425174458.2016.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>

I've dropped my firewall until I can sort this out.  Should have
worked....but didn't.

--- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
Thanks for the info - *but* I browse back to the mystic numbers, the 

page remains blank and then I  get timed out after 60 seconds by  
Safari.

Is this the revenge of the machines?

Barry




On 25 Apr 2004, at 17:15, Paul Kippes wrote:

> I missed it or accidentally deleted it.  You should be able to see
> the site now.
>
> --- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Patience sir, Paul is a resident of the US of A and probably
>> enjoying
>>>  his beauty sleep right now ! Also, be sure to hit the site
>> address
>>>  with your browser as well as email Paul. Although you won't get
>> in,
>>>  the site collects your computer's details, which Paul then uses
>> to
>>>  set up your access. He visits this site regularly, and will have
>> you
>>>  up and running in no time.
>>>
>>>  Looking forward to your reactions to it all.
>>>
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Carolyn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I did all that, and I sent  the e-mail 1546 BST yesterday to allow
>> him
>> a lie-in on a Saturday morning.
>>
>> The  fact that he answered a message from Dicentra later yesterday
>> makes me think that Yahoo!Mort has struck again.
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Apr 25 22:17:06 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:17:06 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 25th April
Message-ID: <c6hdd2+bou0@eGroups.com>

Ok, so we've got started. 1700 posts either coded or allocated so far 
on the Yahoo Club.

Other items:

1. Dicentra requested a text box for comments useful to the FAQ team. 
Paul says that's possible and is implementing it. Maybe Dicentra 
could give us a list of the sort of comments they'd like us to put 
in - what issues are they really looking for ?

2. Theory acronyms. As most of them only amount to one post, we will 
downgrade a lot of them from their Level 3 heading status, and just 
code them up like any other post. My inclination is to leave the 
heads as they are for now (as they are tedious to edit), and we deal 
with them as we come to them. Mostly this won't start to happen until 
posts 20 000 onwards on the main list I think.

3. Barry I'm assuming you got into the site in the end ?

Carolyn






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Mon Apr 26 05:00:44 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 05:00:44 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 18th April: We're in business
In-Reply-To: <c6d5vk+b7lj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c6i51s+3581@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Dicentra spectabilis" 
<dicentra at x> wrote:
> 1) Should we add a text field wherein the cataloguer can add a 
comment
> if desired, such as "includes minute-by-minute breakdown of 
Shrieking
> Shack scene."  This would aid the FAQers tremendously.

This is now in place.  But there will be problems with some browsers 
if we get near 500 characters.  I'll get this fixed by next 
weekend.  You'll know that you hit the problem when the form doesn't 
submit/refresh after clicking 'Set Category.'






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Apr 26 07:58:10 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:58:10 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] UPDATE Sunday 25th April
In-Reply-To: <c6hdd2+bou0@eGroups.com>
References: <c6hdd2+bou0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <764314E2-9757-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


On 25 Apr 2004, at 23:17, a_reader2003 wrote:

> Ok, so we've got started. 1700 posts either coded or allocated so far
>  on the Yahoo Club.
>
>  Other items:
>
>  3. Barry I'm assuming you got into the site in the end ?
>
>  Carolyn
>
>
>

Er, no.

There's obviously a problem or conflict somewhere resulting in lock-out.
Frustrating.

Just have to hope that our consultant techno-wizard can get to the 
bottom of it.

Barry


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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Apr 26 10:55:09 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:55:09 +0100
Subject: Thanks, Paul
Message-ID: <2F903E20-9770-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Once again, Yahoo seems determined to thwart my progress.
The mail below was sent out earlier this morning and promptly ignored 
by  Yahoo! Typical.

Any road up and be that as it may, if Carolyn would like to send me a 
batch number I might actually  get down to doing something 
constructive, remembering to take into account the 6  month training 
scheme, the productivity bonus, the extreme hazard remuneration and the 
mutual hatred that exists between me and modern technology.


On 26 Apr 2004, at 09:25, Barry Arrowsmith wrote:


> I'm in! At the third attempt this morning.
>
> Many  thanks for your time and trouble.
>
> Now I can put past posters to the fire and sword.
>
> Barry
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2004, at 09:17, Paul Kippes wrote:
>
>> Barry,
>>
>> I'm really sorry about this.  The timezone situation doesn't help
>> things.  Give it another go and I check back in 7 hours from now....
>>
>> --- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 25 Apr 2004, at 23:17, a_reader2003 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, so we've got started. 1700 posts either coded or allocated so
>>> far
>>>>  on the Yahoo Club.
>>>>
>>>>  Other items:
>>>>
>>>>  3. Barry I'm assuming you got into the site in the end ?
>>>>
>>>>  Carolyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Er, no.
>>>
>>> There's obviously a problem or conflict somewhere resulting in
>>> lock-out.
>>> Frustrating.
>>>
>>> Just have to hope that our consultant techno-wizard can get to the
>>> bottom of it.
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 26 11:17:11 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:17:11 -0000
Subject: Thanks, Paul
In-Reply-To: <2F903E20-9770-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6ir3n+ilfo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Once again, Yahoo seems determined to thwart my progress.
> The mail below was sent out earlier this morning and promptly 
ignored 
> by  Yahoo! Typical.
> 
> Any road up and be that as it may, if Carolyn would like to send me 
a 
> batch number I might actually  get down to doing something 
> constructive, remembering to take into account the 6  month 
training 
> scheme, the productivity bonus, the extreme hazard remuneration and 
the 
> mutual hatred that exists between me and modern technology.
> 

Carolyn:
Hooray..the back list trembles at the approach of the man with the 
AK47.. (suddenly wonders if this is JKR's real source for 'Avada 
Kedavra', but I digress..).

Can you take posts 1701-2200 ? I find I can do approx 100 per hour, 
but less if they get complex.

Erm.. the idea is to code most things that have some merit, rather 
than blow them all out of the water at this stage ! It is rather 
humbling to find how many of our current 'new' posts are identical to 
all these back in 1999. However, there is a lot of movie chat and OT, 
which may mean a lot of rejects. Check up the thread to see how it 
has been previously coded - but feel free to disagree .... (surely 
not).




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Apr 26 17:12:34 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:12:34 +0100
Subject: Is there?
In-Reply-To: <c6ir3n+ilfo@eGroups.com>
References: <c6ir3n+ilfo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E8EC981D-97A4-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Is there a category number for the Pavarti twins?

If there is I  must  have a blind-spot when their names slide past.

Barry




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Apr 26 18:28:18 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:28:18 +0100
Subject: Is there...
Message-ID: <7D44CC9A-97AF-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

... a category for the pictures?

BTW I've just gone through about 100 posts and 85% are rejects - chat 
about signing sessions, buying Hogwarts mugs, audio tapes etc, etc.

If it doesn't improve soon some of these posters are going to get a 
Howler.

Barry 




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 26 18:57:34 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:57:34 -0000
Subject: RE Parvati twins (was Is there?)
In-Reply-To: <E8EC981D-97A4-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6jm2u+dts3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Is there a category number for the Pavarti twins?
> 
> If there is I  must  have a blind-spot when their names slide past.
> 
> Barry

Carolyn:
No, I will put them on now. I have not as yet put all the Hogwart's 
pupils on - the list is so long, I thought I'd wait and see what came 
up. However, I will now put on a bigger selection of the better known 
ones.




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 26 19:05:28 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:05:28 -0000
Subject: Is there...
In-Reply-To: <7D44CC9A-97AF-11D8-9C1A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6jmho+ud62@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> ... a category for the pictures?
> 
> BTW I've just gone through about 100 posts and 85% are rejects - 
chat 
> about signing sessions, buying Hogwarts mugs, audio tapes etc, etc.
> 
> If it doesn't improve soon some of these posters are going to get a 
> Howler.
> 
> Barry

Carolyn:

Yes, pictures are under the WW media & culture section somewhere - 
photos and portraits.

Its unfortunate that you have got such a boring bunch of rejects - I 
did too for the last couple of hundred I did. Then it erupts into 
something interesting all of a sudden. You can see why Admin 
tightened up the rules ! The upside is we can get rid of them quickly 
and get on to the interesting stuff. If you are feeling bored visit 
the posts I put under 'bannings and contraversies' all relating to a 
certain Mr Beckhorn. It all turned out to be an elaborate joke in the 
end, but is an entertaining read. Wonderfully, after they find it IS 
a joke, it develops into a real argument !

Alas, most of these guys are long gone I expect - although Neil 
(FlyingFordAnglia) is surely still a member somewhere.




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Apr 26 20:55:24 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:55:24 -0000
Subject: Illiterate posts
Message-ID: <c6jsvs+6p7p@eGroups.com>

I am just working on posts from 2200 onwards and have come across a 
near-illiterate poster, david_thebravest. I had started to reject his 
posts simply as unreadable, and was pleased to find that the other 
list members also started to protest after a bit, so I feel 
justified. Therefore, I have created a new reject category -
 'unreadable/illiterate'.

Bit of a harsh judgement, but life's too short to sort everything out.




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Mon Apr 26 21:59:20 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Illiterate posts
In-Reply-To: <c6jsvs+6p7p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040426215920.1837.qmail@web13811.mail.yahoo.com>

He had only 26 posts:

+-------------+-------------+
| post_number | post_source |
+-------------+-------------+
|        2145 | YCLUB       |
|        2147 | YCLUB       |
|        2148 | YCLUB       |
|        2204 | YCLUB       |
|        2217 | YCLUB       |
|        2219 | YCLUB       |
|        2220 | YCLUB       |
|        2221 | YCLUB       |
|        2222 | YCLUB       |
|        2225 | YCLUB       |
|        2226 | YCLUB       |
|        2227 | YCLUB       |
|        2229 | YCLUB       |
|        2231 | YCLUB       |
|        2234 | YCLUB       |
|        2236 | YCLUB       |
|        2252 | YCLUB       |
|        2253 | YCLUB       |
|        2256 | YCLUB       |
|        2260 | YCLUB       |
|        2367 | YCLUB       |
|        2370 | YCLUB       |
|        2382 | YCLUB       |
|        2383 | YCLUB       |
|        2468 | YCLUB       |
|        2563 | YCLUB       |
+-------------+-------------+

--- a_reader2003 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
I am just working on posts from 2200 onwards and have come across a 
near-illiterate poster, david_thebravest. I had started to reject his

posts simply as unreadable, and was pleased to find that the other 
list members also started to protest after a bit, so I feel 
justified. Therefore, I have created a new reject category -
 'unreadable/illiterate'.

Bit of a harsh judgement, but life's too short to sort everything
out.



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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Apr 27 16:50:26 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:50:26 -0000
Subject: Barry - you want some more posts ?
Message-ID: <c6m30i+hf6f@eGroups.com>

Great stuff, we are beginning to crack through them. Do you want to 
take 2701-3200 ? I think GOF must be published by then, so hopefully 
more interesting.

Carolyn




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Tue Apr 27 17:00:34 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:00:34 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Illiterate posts
In-Reply-To: <c6jsvs+6p7p@eGroups.com>
References: <c6jsvs+6p7p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6608082F-986C-11D8-BA68-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Yep, I've got him in 2145.
Seems to have the brains of a hamster and puts together his posts by 
randomly attacking the keyboard, but he does make one observation I've 
not seen elsewhere.
Trelawney warns Pavil  Pavarti that she must beware of a red-headed 
man. He seems to see  it as a SHIPping forecast that ends badly.

There was also enormous confusion about what JKR's OBE was all about - 
a knightship  or a military award?

BTW - you've  a category for 'humour in the  books' - how about one for 
humour in posts? They can be entertaining in their own right but may 
otherwise be rejected as adding nothing new to the discussion.

Yeah, I'll  take the 2701s but progress will be slower; I've been 
occupying myself with this lot while waiting for some work to arrive - 
and it did an hour ago.

Barry



On 26 Apr 2004, at 21:55, a_reader2003 wrote:

> I am just working on posts from 2200 onwards and have come across a
>  near-illiterate poster, david_thebravest. I had started to reject his
>  posts simply as unreadable, and was pleased to find that the other
>  list members also started to protest after a bit, so I feel
>  justified. Therefore, I have created a new reject category -
>  'unreadable/illiterate'.
>
>  Bit of a harsh judgement, but life's too short to sort everything out.
>
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Apr 27 18:27:52 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:27:52 -0000
Subject: daft posts
In-Reply-To: <6608082F-986C-11D8-BA68-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6m8n8+aol7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:

> 
> There was also enormous confusion about what JKR's OBE was all 
about - a knightship  or a military award?
> 
> BTW - you've  a category for 'humour in the  books' - how about one 
for humour in posts? 

Carolyn:
No kidding ? Too funny. I think we should simply have a category 
called 'just for a laugh' or some such.. 




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Apr 27 22:27:33 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:27:33 -0000
Subject: Query
Message-ID: <c6mmol+ffp5@eGroups.com>

I am currently dealing with a series of posts speculating on why 
Harry has to go to the Dursleys each summer, and the nature of the 
protection which Dumbledore thinks that gives him (this is pre-GOF). 
Any views on where they should go ? I have tentatively logged them 
against the last chapter of POA, as that is where the discussion 
began. But I wonder if they should also be coded elsewhere. What do 
you think ?

Carolyn




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Wed Apr 28 04:35:12 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 04:35:12 -0000
Subject: Slow connection
Message-ID: <c6nca0+u011@eGroups.com>

My internet connection is dog slow right now.  This hardly ever 
happens.  But if the catalog doesn't show up, that's why.

Barry--I'd like to put the firewall back up on Wednesday.  I 
probably will 12 hours from now (5-6 pm ish UK time).  I think the 
reason you were having trouble before was that you were using your 
full name when attempting to log in.  Now that you know what to 
expect, I think I'm safe in putting this back in place.  In looking 
through my logs, I see nothing to indicate you'll have problems with 
added.






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Apr 28 07:16:49 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:16:49 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <c6nca0+u011@eGroups.com>
References: <c6nca0+u011@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <03C425F4-98E4-11D8-A588-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Sure, OK, give it a try.

Yes, I did attempt to enter with an inappropriate name (trust me to get 
it wrong) but the attempts I made before that (about 5, I  think) it 
never even got to the  password drop-down. All I had was a totally 
blank page.

Dunno  why, but  this  sort of thing has been happening to me ever 
since I can remember. For some reason any glitch in a system lies in 
wait until Arrowsmith, fat and happy, tries doing something that others 
have no difficulty with at all, particularly with computer systems. In 
govt. depts. I'm the one whose records have got screwed up or lost or 
deleted. It's depressing.
Once I  damn near killed a patient because a computer did something 
that was 'impossible'. It switched parameters on a blood gases machine 
print-out. I  won''t give the  whole horror story, but if it hadn't  
been for my total mistrust  of technology due  to past experiences, I 
probably wouldn't  have got suspicious and cross-checked on another 
piece  of equipment.

Anyway, I'll try logging on later this evening.
A triumph of hope over experience.

Barry


On 28 Apr 2004, at 05:35, kippesp wrote:

> My internet connection is dog slow right now.? This hardly ever
>  happens.? But if the catalog doesn't show up, that's why.
>
>  Barry--I'd like to put the firewall back up on Wednesday.? I
>  probably will 12 hours from now (5-6 pm ish UK time).? I think the
>  reason you were having trouble before was that you were using your
>  full name when attempting to log in.? Now that you know what to
>  expect, I think I'm safe in putting this back in place.? In looking
>  through my logs, I see nothing to indicate you'll have problems with
>  added.
>
>
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Apr 28 08:46:44 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:46:44 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Query
In-Reply-To: <c6mmol+ffp5@eGroups.com>
References: <c6mmol+ffp5@eGroups.com>
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It's difficult, I agree.

Under 1.3.4. foreshadowing, clues etc? Or does it go  far enough to 
count as a prediction?

Got to ask, is 1.3.4. intended for the sort of thing you've come up 
against, or is it intended to be used for retrospective analysis - as 
in "if we look back it's obvious that...? 'Cos I've been using it in 
the former case -  as in " Here's something we ought to take notice of 
-  bet it means something, but I'm not sure what." Had a post  that 
wondered what the result of the paired wands would mean. It was seen as 
an important clue, but to what? They didn't know and couldn't guess, 
but worth a credit just the same.
And there's an awful lot of posts that boil down to "What does this 
mean, is it significant?  Will it tie in with that?" and we probably 
won't know if it was reader paranoia until No. 7 is published. Have to 
fit 'em in somewhere.

Barry

On 27 Apr 2004, at 23:27, a_reader2003 wrote:

> I am currently dealing with a series of posts speculating on why
>  Harry has to go to the Dursleys each summer, and the nature of the
>  protection which Dumbledore thinks that gives him (this is pre-GOF).
>  Any views on where they should go ? I have tentatively logged them
>  against the last chapter of POA, as that is where the discussion
>  began. But I wonder if they should also be coded elsewhere. What do
>  you think ?
>
>  Carolyn
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 09:40:23 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:40:23 -0000
Subject: Query
In-Reply-To: <9397BB92-98F0-11D8-A588-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6nu67+3o6t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> It's difficult, I agree.
> 
> Under 1.3.4. foreshadowing, clues etc? Or does it go  far enough to 
> count as a prediction?

> Got to ask, is 1.3.4. intended for the sort of thing you've come up 
> against, or is it intended to be used for retrospective analysis - 
as in "if we look back it's obvious that...? 'Cos I've been using it 
in the former case -  as in " Here's something we ought to take 
notice of -  bet it means something, but I'm not sure what." 

Had a post  that wondered what the result of the paired wands would 
mean. It was seen as an important clue, but to what? They didn't know 
and couldn't guess, but worth a credit just the same.

And there's an awful lot of posts that boil down to "What does this 
mean, is it significant?  Will it tie in with that?" and we probably 
won't know if it was reader paranoia until No. 7 is published. Have 
to fit 'em in somewhere.
> 

Carolyn:
Mmm. Its tricky. I think the category can probably be used for both, 
the ones you have been coding there serving as examples. We could 
perhaps separate out posts which just talked about the use of 
foreshadowing/clues as a literary technique into a separate sub-
category within 1.3.4.

But in the examples you quoted, and the one I am trying to deal with, 
they obviously would be coded up elsewhere as well. I am putting a 
lot of these kind of things into their right place in the chapter 
listings. Often, they are the kind of queries that come up in the 
chapter-by-chapter discussions. Or, I am ticking a relevant character 
or magical item - the marauder's map, the invisibility cloak etc. On 
your wands, I would probably tick 'wands' plus Voldie & Harry, and 
um, Ollivander (who needs to be put on the list..I will go and do 
this right away). Oh, and I would click the graveyard scene in GOF - 
the posts you have found being an excellent background discussion to 
what did happen there. Is this too much ?

One of the advantages we have is knowing the relevance of a lot of 
their speculations.

Returning to my problem, I was wondering whether to add a category 
called 'prophecy' to the section on free-will, determinism etc. There 
have been a lot of spot-on predictions about what both Trelawny's 
prophecies were about; it might be useful to pull them out to read 
separately. I have been linking them into the last-but-one chapter in 
OOP where DD finally 'reveals' what it was all about, or the prophecy 
chapter in POA so far.






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Apr 28 10:14:15 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:14:15 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Query
In-Reply-To: <c6nu67+3o6t@eGroups.com>
References: <c6nu67+3o6t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CD5FFC23-98FC-11D8-A588-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Something else.

Not totally sure how you define WICCA.

Can I use it as a dumping ground for posts that postulate/hope that 
their favourite /astrology/cultish/new age delusions can be imposed on 
HP?

I've run into a thread where the Houses are being assigned to supposed 
astrological signs based on personality traits of the House symbols(!). 
And I just know it'll bring the loonies out of the woodwork to join in. 
Looks like a long thread.

Barry 




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 11:12:01 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:12:01 -0000
Subject: Query
In-Reply-To: <CD5FFC23-98FC-11D8-A588-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6o3i1+9u2o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Something else.
> 
> Not totally sure how you define WICCA.
> 
> Can I use it as a dumping ground for posts that postulate/hope that 
> their favourite /astrology/cultish/new age delusions can be imposed 
on 
> HP?
> 
> I've run into a thread where the Houses are being assigned to 
supposed 
> astrological signs based on personality traits of the House symbols
(!). 
 

Carolyn:
Ah, no..Wicca is something fairly specific apparently - see some of 
the posts already allocated there. JKR is alleged to have said in an 
interview that she is Wiccan..

I have just added 'astrology' as a sub-section within symbolism, as 
it comes up fairly regularly. Hopefully other sub-sections within 
symbolism will be a suitable resting place for the other stuff you 
are coming across !




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Wed Apr 28 15:41:01 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <03C425F4-98E4-11D8-A588-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20040428154101.93616.qmail@web13809.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, to support your suspensions....  I just read an article about a
US software company that is being sued because its confusing software
gave out 100 times too much of the wrong radiation and killed several
patients.  The programmer is on trial for manslaughter charges.

http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,1397,1544403,00.asp


--- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:
> Sure, OK, give it a try.
> 
> Yes, I did attempt to enter with an inappropriate name (trust me to
> get 
> it wrong) but the attempts I made before that (about 5, I  think)
> it 
> never even got to the  password drop-down. All I had was a totally 
> blank page.
> 
> Dunno  why, but  this  sort of thing has been happening to me ever 
> since I can remember. For some reason any glitch in a system lies
> in 
> wait until Arrowsmith, fat and happy, tries doing something that
> others 
> have no difficulty with at all, particularly with computer systems.
> In 
> govt. depts. I'm the one whose records have got screwed up or lost
> or 
> deleted. It's depressing.
> Once I  damn near killed a patient because a computer did something
> 
> that was 'impossible'. It switched parameters on a blood gases
> machine 
> print-out. I  won''t give the  whole horror story, but if it hadn't
>  
> been for my total mistrust  of technology due  to past experiences,
> I 
> probably wouldn't  have got suspicious and cross-checked on another
> 
> piece  of equipment.
> 
> Anyway, I'll try logging on later this evening.
> A triumph of hope over experience.
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> On 28 Apr 2004, at 05:35, kippesp wrote:
> 
> > My internet connection is dog slow right now. This hardly ever
> >  happens. But if the catalog doesn't show up, that's why.
> >
> >  Barry--I'd like to put the firewall back up on Wednesday. I
> >  probably will 12 hours from now (5-6 pm ish UK time). I think
> the
> >  reason you were having trouble before was that you were using
> your
> >  full name when attempting to log in. Now that you know what to
> >  expect, I think I'm safe in putting this back in place. In
> looking
> >  through my logs, I see nothing to indicate you'll have problems
> with
> >  added.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Apr 28 15:48:28 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:48:28 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <c6nca0+u011@eGroups.com>
References: <c6nca0+u011@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7E35FB12-992B-11D8-B72A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

You're right about it being slow.

The posts load OK, but when I 'set category' it doesn't always reset 
the category section properly afterwards and prevents entries on the 
next post. Instead it changes the previously set categories on the 
preceding post to those I'm trying to enter for the current one. 
Clicking the 'Go' button doesn't  help most of the time either.

It's out to get me.

It won't be radiation, it'll be frustration that does me in.

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Apr 28 17:01:40 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:01:40 -0000
Subject: Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <7E35FB12-992B-11D8-B72A-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6oo1k+qfe1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> You're right about it being slow.
......
> 
> It won't be radiation, it'll be frustration that does me in.
> 
> Barry

Carolyn:

You are not alone Barry ! I have had the same problems all day. I 
assumed it was my AOL browser playing up....

Also (Paul) when I made some changes to the categories, the site just 
hung, although when I crashed out and came back they seem to have 
been implemented.

Any theories what the problem is ??

Carolyn




From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Wed Apr 28 17:42:17 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <c6oo1k+qfe1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040428174217.21421.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>

I can't control what my ISP gives me.  The site and computer are
fine.  But the throughput isn't there.  Even for me, I'm not getting
the category page to load.  And on a good day, I'd expect things to
be even slower from Britain.


--- a_reader2003 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> You're right about it being slow.
......
> 
> It won't be radiation, it'll be frustration that does me in.
> 
> Barry

Carolyn:

You are not alone Barry ! I have had the same problems all day. I 
assumed it was my AOL browser playing up....

Also (Paul) when I made some changes to the categories, the site just

hung, although when I crashed out and came back they seem to have 
been implemented.

Any theories what the problem is ??

Carolyn



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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 05:52:56 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:52:56 +0100
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Slow connection
In-Reply-To: <20040428174217.21421.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040428174217.21421.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <76C84168-99A1-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Understood.

Have you re-installed your firewall?
The reason I ask is that I can't access your site. It's the old 'timed 
out after 60 seconds of attempting to open the page' problem.

Could it be that Safari has peculiar characteristics that cause 
problems?

Barry



On 28 Apr 2004, at 18:42, Paul Kippes wrote:

> I can't control what my ISP gives me.? The site and computer are
>  fine.? But the throughput isn't there.? Even for me, I'm not getting
>  the category page to load.? And on a good day, I'd expect things to
>  be even slower from Britain.
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 07:57:27 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:57:27 -0000
Subject: Site now back up to speed
Message-ID: <c6qch7+r9id@eGroups.com>

Relieved to say that the site now seems to be working fine again. I 
still tend to have a display problem as I first load it, but 
clicking 'refresh' seems to solve that (I think is probably an AOL 
related issue). Anyway, I coded a few hundred posts this morning 
without difficulties. Amazing how addictive it becomes !

Hope you two can figure a way of getting Barry back into the site, 
despite the firewall.

BTW, I noticed that the Convention Alley email this morning is 
advertising a presentation from Steve van Der Ark on the dangers of 
over-analysing Harry.....

Carolyn




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 08:03:00 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:03:00 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] - is there..
In-Reply-To: <c6oo1k+qfe1@eGroups.com>
References: <c6oo1k+qfe1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <A236EA26-99B3-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

...a category for Boggarts?

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 08:14:57 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:14:57 -0000
Subject: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <A236EA26-99B3-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> ...a category for Boggarts?
> 
> Barry

Carolyn:
There is now ! Under Spirits..after Dementors




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 08:26:31 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:26:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] - mails
In-Reply-To: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
References: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EAEF6D72-99B6-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Dunno what's wrong with the mail this morning, but I've sent two 
messages to the board to let Paul know that I'm in and that he needn't 
keep tinkering.
Neither have been posted.
This is bloody ridiculous.
If it weren't for the fact that I get my messages returned to me from 
the board and these never came back, I'd never have realised that 
they'd gone missing/were delayed until who knows when.
It's nearly as bad as the Post Office.

Barry





From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 09:30:32 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:30:32 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
References: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DCCD478E-99BF-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Hum.

Hate to keep doing this, but is it worthwhile listing the Sorting Hat 
as a magical object in it's own right as a Magical Item?
I've got somebody wondering if it's possessed by a spirit or ghost. Not 
exactly a sorting into Houses post.

The problem is, the list is enormous already - if it gets much longer 
we might as well give 'em the damn files and tell 'em it's all in there 
somewhere.

Barry

On 29 Apr 2004, at 09:14, a_reader2003 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
>  <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
>  > ...a category for Boggarts?
>  >
>  > Barry
>
>  Carolyn:
>  There is now ! Under Spirits..after Dementors
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 09:47:12 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:47:12 -0000
Subject: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <DCCD478E-99BF-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6qiv0+kuco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Hum.
> 
> Hate to keep doing this, but is it worthwhile listing the Sorting 
Hat 
> as a magical object in it's own right as a Magical Item?
> I've got somebody wondering if it's possessed by a spirit or ghost. 

Carolyn:
I'll add it as a sub-category within the Hogwart's sorting section.

Hopefully the list will shorten a good deal when we remove the theory 
acronyms that attract very few posts.

Also, we should start to discuss with Paul how the threads will 
eventually get displayed. At the moment we can do a quick look-see by 
clicking the 's' after each category, but that generates a flat list 
of names and numbers, not a live list of the actual posts.

Once we are able to see the posts as a live list, firstly we will no 
doubt spot some categorising mistakes/conflicts and need to correct 
this. Second we might delete even more, having reviewed how often a 
point has been made. Third, probably there needs to be a visual 
grouping mechanism, so that you can see distinct threads as one 
entity.

One way of showing threads would be to have  +/- type display, where 
you can open/close groups of threads as you browse a list. What might 
be a good way of naming such threads - date ? Post nos ? Subject ?




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 10:48:38 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:48:38 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
References: <c6qdi1+b0mv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <C5AE8A07-99CA-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

...and yet  another going on about the origin of Golden Snitches!
"Do they have a larval form?" Before "Quidditch Through the Ages" and 
not really worth a separate category, I think.

I've  got a feeling that very few of the theory acronyms will be used 
much, saving a small number that keep recurring, like MAGIC DISHWASHER. 
And there are over 300 of 'em. Unless, unlike MAGIC DISHWASHER, they 
only occurred  two or three times in the distant past (which to most 
posters starts last Thursday), they won't have any  reason to add them 
to their search parameters anyway. They most likely have no idea that 
they exist in relation to their object of interest.

Would it be possible to eventually tie in the Inish Alley database to 
the index? - the posts where the acronyms first show up are listed in 
that, together with the number of the original post. Anyone interested 
could chase them down that way.

Most of the theories were generated by the old crowd and many are TBAY 
related (which I think should be a listed category anyway - MADAM 
WHIPLASH is hardly the Hermione of the canon. An avid SHIPper searching 
for past pairings might be bemused at her and Percy playing Dominatrix 
games in PEPPERMILL instead of the usual slush. But I love it!)

  Newer posters have independently developed many of the same thought 
paths but probably haven't bothered to give them titles. Hopefully, by 
defining every post by category, you won't need to know the acronym to 
access the general theory, though it could be a useful shortcut *if* 
you know the acronym. How many do?

Yes, I think they should be included in the current 'define post by 
category', but maybe not in the main search engine once we've finished. 
I'm all for shuffling them off the main category list into a 
sub-section if at all possible, but it would be useful if they can be 
accessed and linked to the main post listings somehow.
Whether that is realistic is something else.

Exactly which filters would be best and how the threads are shown needs 
some thinking about. No-one's going to be happy if we don't get it 
right first  time. What sort  of time-scale before it has to be 
addressed? Can Paul advise?

Barry




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 12:07:26 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:07:26 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] - rumour
In-Reply-To: <c6qiv0+kuco@eGroups.com>
References: <c6qiv0+kuco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <C7C1EE3F-99D5-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

There's a long thread around the 2900 mark based on a wild rumour that 
Harry is going to be expelled in Book 4.

The implications of this are exercising the minds on site - quite 
entertaining. But since it's all based on inaccurate information 
coupled with pre-publication hysteria I'm rejecting them all as "off 
topic".
Speculation is one thing, speculation resulting from invalid 'canon' 
that was probably dreamed up from complete guess-work is something else 
again. But it is fun to watch theory evolve on the hoof - complete with 
'Spoiler' tags.

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 12:48:35 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:48:35 -0000
Subject: - rumour
In-Reply-To: <C7C1EE3F-99D5-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6qtj3+3f3s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> There's a long thread around the 2900 mark based on a wild rumour 
that 
> Harry is going to be expelled in Book 4.
> 
Carolyn:
Hope you've marked one or two of the posts down in the 'predictions' 
section for GOF ? Its a useful place to catch both good and bad 
rumours.

Incidentally, rootling in the files section on the main site 
yesterday, I found a compiled file of predictions - put up by CindyC, 
but not apparently put together by her. You get a mention by the way 
for one of your early posts..




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Apr 29 13:29:53 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:29:53 -0000
Subject: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <C5AE8A07-99CA-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6r00h+c032@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> ...and yet  another going on about the origin of Golden 
Snitches! "Do they have a larval form?" Before "Quidditch Through the 
Ages" and not really worth a separate category, I think.

Carolyn:
aargh..no, definitely not. Just file under quidditch somewhere 
methinks...
> 


> I've  got a feeling that very few of the theory acronyms will be 
used much, saving a small number that keep recurring, like MAGIC 
DISHWASHER. 
> 
Carolyn:
Yes, this is Dicey's view as well. Because it took so long to put 
them on, I was lazily just leaving them all there, until we got to 
that part of the list to see what happened. However, now I am 
dithering about whether to take them all out again in advance. Would 
save a lot of space on the category list I suppose.



> Would it be possible to eventually tie in the Inish Alley database 
to the index? - the posts where the acronyms first show up are listed 
in that, together with the number of the original post. Anyone 
interested could chase them down that way.

Carolyn:
You mean have a button called something like 'Inish Alley' on the 
finished site, which is a hotlink taking you straight to that list ? 
It doesn't sound difficult to do, for them wot knows how to..Paul ?? 
Any thoughts ?

> 

> Most of the theories were generated by the old crowd and many are 
TBAY related (which I think should be a listed category anyway - 
MADAM WHIPLASH is hardly the Hermione of the canon. An avid SHIPper 
searching for past pairings might be bemused at her and Percy playing 
Dominatrix games in PEPPERMILL instead of the usual slush. But I love 
it!)
> (etc)

Carolyn:
Ah, now we differ here. I think that providing TBAY posts are 
identified as such in their subject line, as a warning to the 
squeamish, they should take their place amongst the other posts, and 
be coded up the same way. I wouldn't want them shuffled off anywhere 
obscure. Essentially, they are just an incisive way of making a point 
that could have gone in to a normal post. But love the Hermione/Percy 
dominatrix scenario - haven't seen that one. Must look it out.. Your 
argument for relegating it to a darkened room would be that it is 
(probably !) based on very little canon and is nearly fanfic ? Just a 
more grown up perspective I would briskly argue, and salutary for the 
SHIPPERS to encounter..

My original reason for piling all the acronyms on to the category 
list was actually because I found it helpful to find out which ones 
belonged with which character, and I still think that's a useful 
thing to know. Also, I was coding up some things a few days ago which 
were identical to LOLLIPOPS, but preceded it by about eighteen 
months - I think it is interesting to read that progression, and how 
a theory name came to define something that a lot of people thought 
from day 1.

I accept that if a theory didn't generate much interest beyond its 
original outing, it should be downgraded as previously discussed, but 
I do feel that by the same token, those theories that really became 
major concepts (such as Magic Dishwasher), should end up with their 
own category code. Most major theories got discussed in both TBAY and 
non-TBAY form, and all those responses should surely stay together ?


> 
> Exactly which filters would be best and how the threads are shown 
needs some thinking about. No-one's going to be happy if we don't get 
it right first  time. What sort  of time-scale before it has to be 
addressed? Can Paul advise?
> 
Carolyn:
I suspect that we should begin working on it fairly soon, as it is 
also a useful way of checking what has been coded under various 
headings, and making any adjustments before the number of posts 
becomes too daunting to deal with.




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Thu Apr 29 14:13:43 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:13:43 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: - rumour
In-Reply-To: <c6qtj3+3f3s@eGroups.com>
References: <c6qtj3+3f3s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6C3AA1FF-99E7-11D8-9BBA-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


On 29 Apr 2004, at 13:48, a_reader2003 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
>  <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
>  > There's a long thread around the 2900 mark based on a wild rumour
>  that
>  > Harry is going to be expelled in Book 4.
>  >
>  Carolyn:
>  Hope you've marked one or two of the posts down in the 'predictions'
>  section for GOF ? Its a useful place to catch both good and bad
>  rumours.
>


Mm. Some of them turned into SHIPping, so I marked them as such.
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From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Thu Apr 29 15:29:53 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: - is there..
In-Reply-To: <c6r00h+c032@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040429152953.315.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- a_reader2003 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
> Would it be possible to eventually tie in the Inish Alley database 
to the index? - the posts where the acronyms first show up are listed

in that, together with the number of the original post. Anyone 
interested could chase them down that way.

Carolyn:
You mean have a button called something like 'Inish Alley' on the 
finished site, which is a hotlink taking you straight to that list ? 
It doesn't sound difficult to do, for them wot knows how to..Paul ?? 
Any thoughts ?

Me:
You can, but I don't see the point.  Why do we want to link to the
list?  Why not just add what the acronym stands for in the category
description field?  The fields isn't being used, but that's one
reason why it's there.  Now if we want to show people everything,
then yes, link to the list.


> Exactly which filters would be best and how the threads are shown 
needs some thinking about. No-one's going to be happy if we don't get

it right first  time. What sort  of time-scale before it has to be 
addressed? Can Paul advise?
> 
Carolyn:
I suspect that we should begin working on it fairly soon, as it is 
also a useful way of checking what has been coded under various 
headings, and making any adjustments before the number of posts 
becomes too daunting to deal with.




	
		
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From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 30 09:08:29 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:08:29 +0100
Subject: Access
Message-ID: <F2388312-9A85-11D8-8CE1-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Locked out again.

Page won't open, not even getting as far as Password box.

Anyone else having trouble?

Barry




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 30 09:33:12 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:33:12 +0100
Subject: Odd, that...
Message-ID: <665FACE0-9A89-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Paul, a puzzle for you.

Tried x number of times to access your page this morning, both from 
'Bookmarks' and from the hyperlink in one of your mails, without 
success.

So I closed down my mail service, browser and internet link and 
re-started. In at my first attempt. Obviously something changed - 
possibly the chain of servers in the connection.
Is this common?

Barry




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 30 09:52:43 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:52:43 +0100
Subject: More categories?
Message-ID: <2061D52E-9A8C-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

Two fairly common themes that aren't listed:

Underage magic

The Basilisk

Can  they be fitted into the existing structure, or do they deserve 
their own little spot?

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Apr 30 10:36:39 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:36:39 -0000
Subject: More categories?
In-Reply-To: <2061D52E-9A8C-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6ta7n+e6qv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> Two fairly common themes that aren't listed:
> 
> Underage magic
> 
> The Basilisk
> 


Under-age magic is already there under 'law & order' within WW. Have 
added basilisks under snakes - not strictly correct, but..

NB I had an ouroboros thread yesterday, but put it under alchemy as 
it seems to be a common concept in that area. 

Carolyn




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 30 10:46:18 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:46:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: More categories?
In-Reply-To: <c6ta7n+e6qv@eGroups.com>
References: <c6ta7n+e6qv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9CAEE39C-9A93-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

>
>  NB I had an ouroboros thread yesterday, but put it under alchemy as
>  it seems to be a common concept in that area.
>

Ooh! Not strictly from that era.
  Mythological - child of Thor (?) along with the Fenris Wolf and Hel. 
All three expected to have a negative environmental impact come 
Ragnarok.

But you know that.

Barry
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From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Fri Apr 30 14:07:48 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: {groups} [HPFGU-Catalogue] Access
In-Reply-To: <F2388312-9A85-11D8-8CE1-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <20040430140748.86912.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com>

Your IP address changed on me.  I just added the new range.


--- Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com> wrote:

---------------------------------
Locked out again.

Page won't open, not even getting as far as Password box.

Anyone else having trouble?

Barry



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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Apr 30 15:50:25 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:50:25 -0000
Subject: More categories?
In-Reply-To: <9CAEE39C-9A93-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6tsk1+2fb6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> >
> >  NB I had an ouroboros thread yesterday, but put it under alchemy 
as
> >  it seems to be a common concept in that area.
> >
> 
> Ooh! Not strictly from that era.
>   Mythological - child of Thor (?) along with the Fenris Wolf and 
Hel. 
> All three expected to have a negative environmental impact come 
> Ragnarok.
> 
> But you know that.
> 
> Barry

Did you mean Jormungand, child of Loki and Angrboda ? Thor kills the 
serpent, but dies in the process. A disappointingly cosy world seems 
to emerge post-Ragnorok, offering no quarter to rabid FEATHERBOAS..

Not sure how far back alchemy goes.. have to look it up. My 
imaginative source was Eddison.




From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 30 17:10:30 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:10:30 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: More categories?
In-Reply-To: <c6tsk1+2fb6@eGroups.com>
References: <c6tsk1+2fb6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <489B1B92-9AC9-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>



I think you looked that up. That's cheating.




>
>  Did you mean Jormungand, child of Loki and Angrboda ? Thor kills the
>  serpent, but dies in the process. A disappointingly cosy world seems
>  to emerge post-Ragnorok, offering no quarter to rabid FEATHERBOAS..
>
>  Not sure how far back alchemy goes.. have to look it up. My
>  imaginative source was Eddison.
>
>
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Apr 30 19:01:48 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (a_reader2003)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:01:48 -0000
Subject: More categories?
In-Reply-To: <489B1B92-9AC9-11D8-BF57-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <c6u7qs+8ntf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you looked that up. That's cheating.
> 

I had to re-check, I admit - its a while since I researched it last!

BTW, take a look at post 3551..

Carolyn
Who often looks like Hel