From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Nov 1 20:19:58 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:19:58 -0000 Subject: JKR falls off pedastal.. Message-ID: Mean and horrid of me I know, but having a nasty, warped sense of humour, I did enjoy this post of Lexicon Steve's: 27430: This is very true. The system is so biased that it's hard to believe that someone like Dumbledore would allow it. He represents fairness and impartiality, after all, with everyone of any race etc. getting a chance. But maybe that's why he doesn't hesitate to step in at the last minute and award points in a fashion which is clearly planned to undermine the Slytherin win as dramatically as possible. Not only that, think about the Triwizard Tournament. I could go on and on about the major plot holes and inconsistencies of this entire mess, but one particularly galling problem is that not one of the champions competes fairly. They all cheat and get outside help and advance knowledge and this is expected! "Cheating has always been a traditional part of the Triwizard Tournament," we are told. I think we have to adjust our understanding of the way the Wizarding World works, not only in terms of technology and physics but also in terms of morality and ethics. From kkearney at students.miami.edu Mon Nov 1 23:44:25 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:44:25 -0000 Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn wrote: > For some of the major characters, I think it would be invaluable to > have major theory ideas listed, and if necessary, the for- and > against- arguments sub-listed. [It was why I made all the effort in > the first place to list out the theory acronyms under the right > headings]. > > In other categories, for instance, the endless argument about number > of children at Hogwarts, you might chose to sort the posts into the > two basic groups - those that agree there are 1000+ as JKR says, and > those who think she can't add up and have calculated it differently. > > The choice of sub-categories would always vary with the subject. One > question I have is whether we have done enough coding already to > begin to set some of them up now, which would save time later ? For > instance, nearly every character is accused of being ESE at some > point, so should we have ESE/anti-ESE subheads ready set up? I still think doing this (subcategorizing our categories into "answers" to questions) will limit the catalogue far too much. Part of the interest in the debates comes from the back-and-forth between opposing opinions. If we categorize too much, we lose that. Plus, there are always going to be people whose theories don't agree with any of the popular opinions, but are just as or more valid. Simply tagging each post with one or more of the categories (as we are currently doing) should be enough to direct people to the pertinent discussion. No need to offer a summary of the viewpoints they are about to find; leave that to FAQs. Just my opinion, -Kelly From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Nov 2 15:42:33 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:42:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ? Message-ID: Well, there may be a difference between "why" we are making the catalogue and "why or how" the members use it. Going back and reading what someone else said is interesting, but it isn't a discussion. And some of theses topics have so many posts it may be overwhelming to some readers. I'm hoping for something in the line of, "I was looking through the cataglogue and saw this discussion that we should revisit..." Then again we may start getting posts along the line of "I tried to find the color of Ginny's eyes in the catalogue but...." So once we have this up, we should have something to pound or throw near our coumputers. And speaking of pounding computers, mine is down. So I will be nonproductive for a while. Thank you, public library for interenet services! Kathy >From: "corinthum" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: What's the best way of getting people to use >this catalogue ? >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:44:25 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "corinthum" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ? Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:44:25 -0000 Size: 3858 URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Nov 2 16:51:10 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:51:10 -0000 Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > Well, there may be a difference between "why" we are making the catalogue and "why or how" the members use it. Going back and reading what someone else said is interesting, but it isn't a discussion. And some of theses topics have so many posts it may be overwhelming to some readers. > Carolyn: Yes, I agree. I'm not trying to squash all the posts in a particular category into five or six sub-sets, but I thought it would be interesting to pull out some particular big themes, so the posts related to those sub-categories are easier to read through, and might also stimuate further discussion. For instance, I've just created a new category 'Harry's dreams' as a sub-set under Harry, alongside 'Harry's eyes'. I think the way the users might access these posts is that they could just click on eg 'Harry', and get all the posts coded to Harry, all the 1000s of them, and read all of them if they wanted from start to finish. But if they clicked on a sub-category, then they would just get that selection to read through. This would mean that we would have to be sure that all the posts in the sub-set were always also coded to the main head - in this case, Harry. I am particularly keen this happens as a way of managing the theories. For instance, half the Snape theories are about who he was supposed to have been in love with. I would find it extremely useful to have them all under a 'Snape's dates' sub-head, together with the rest of the posts which are on the same theme, but not related to a named theory. Remember (Kelly), it's not taking any post out of the system, just giving additional snapshots on how to view them as an incentive to browsing. Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Nov 3 10:00:16 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:00:16 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? Message-ID: I don't like to keep bombarding you all with individual emails, so just thought I'd point out that the coding has slowed very considerably over the last few weeks, after a burst of enthusiasm in September. Currently we are at post 27650, and I would really like to get to post 50000 by the end of December. Now, I dragged you all into this daft project, and therefore cheerfully take most of the burden - roughly, I am coding about 100 posts a day. But then I'm self-employed and can please myself how I use my time...it's not so easy for others, I realise. But the maths is pretty simple, and any of you can do it on the back of the proverbial fag packet. Here it is: Approx 10 people are coding regularly (12-13 are actually possible) 50000-27650 = 22350/10 = 2235 posts each 8 weeks up to 31st Dec 2235/8 = 280 posts per week per person approx The numbers are actually far smaller, given the contribution I am making - maybe 20-30 per day from everyone would get us to this target, especially if the 2-3 sporadic contributors joined in. I recognise that a daily quota does not suit how many people like to work, so only take this as an example of how the numbers work out. Maintaining the same kind of effort the following year would get us to post 100 000 by about June - hopefully in time before Book 6 appears. Perhaps you could all let me know whether you think these numbers are completely impossible - and if so, whether we should try and recruit more people ? Carolyn From kkearney at students.miami.edu Wed Nov 3 19:12:36 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:12:36 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn wrote: > Currently we are at post 27650, and I would really like to get to > post 50000 by the end of December. > > Now, I dragged you all into this daft project, and therefore > cheerfully take most of the burden - roughly, I am coding about 100 > posts a day. But then I'm self-employed and can please myself how I > use my time...it's not so easy for others, I realise. > Perhaps you could all let me know whether you think these numbers are > completely impossible - and if so, whether we should try and recruit > more people ? I realize that due to some behind-the-HPFGU-scenes incidents, the security on the coding site is necessary. But it definitely slows my coding, since I can't access the site from work, and recently my free time after work has been nearly nonexistant. I could easily hit the 20-30 mark if I could code at work. I'm on a computer most of the day anyway; a few little coding breaks would be good for my sanity (and hey, if I have time to write this response, I obviously have time to code :) ). Outside of that, I'll try to be better. Really. Just keep pestering me. :) -Kelly From paul-groups at wibbles.org Wed Nov 3 19:19:59 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:19:59 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did we ever try to open this to you at work? I would expect that IP address to be static and shouldn't present much of a problem. On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:12:36 -0000, corinthum wrote: > > Carolyn wrote: > > > > > Currently we are at post 27650, and I would really like to get to > > post 50000 by the end of December. > > > > Now, I dragged you all into this daft project, and therefore > > cheerfully take most of the burden - roughly, I am coding about 100 > > posts a day. But then I'm self-employed and can please myself how I > > use my time...it's not so easy for others, I realise. > > > Perhaps you could all let me know whether you think these numbers > are > > completely impossible - and if so, whether we should try and > recruit > > more people ? > > I realize that due to some behind-the-HPFGU-scenes incidents, the > security on the coding site is necessary. But it definitely slows my > coding, since I can't access the site from work, and recently my free > time after work has been nearly nonexistant. I could easily hit the > 20-30 mark if I could code at work. I'm on a computer most of the > day anyway; a few little coding breaks would be good for my sanity > (and hey, if I have time to write this response, I obviously have > time to code :) ). > > Outside of that, I'll try to be better. Really. Just keep pestering > me. :) > > -Kelly > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Nov 4 03:20:26 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:20:26 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul: > Did we ever try to open this to you at work? I would expect that IP > address to be static and shouldn't present much of a problem. When I first joined, we tried, but never got access; I can't remember if we figured out why it wouldn't work. Do networks have any effect? Firewalls? Other security stuff I might not know about? -Kelly From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 4 03:43:03 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:43:03 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, I think we guessed that for some reason, your location was blocking the port. We can certainly check it again since it only takes a minute to click on the URL and tell me to look. On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:20:26 -0000, corinthum wrote: > > Paul: > > > Did we ever try to open this to you at work? I would expect that IP > > address to be static and shouldn't present much of a problem. > > When I first joined, we tried, but never got access; I can't remember > if we figured out why it wouldn't work. Do networks have any effect? > Firewalls? Other security stuff I might not know about? > > -Kelly > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Nov 4 04:22:30 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:22:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? Message-ID: I think the most I've done is 150 in one week. Every time I get on a roll, something happens, like a crashing computer or a child home sick. I think, if I could keep on a good pace I could commit to 150--200 per week. I see it as setting aside a certain time and doing as many as I can. Hopefully I'll speed up soon. Having said that, I'm borrowing this computer's time and am not able to code yet. You may want to finish out my last batch, or save it for me, whichever is better for the catalogue. I am hoping to have my infernal, dad-blasted, sorry excuse of a machine back in a couple of days. See ya'll real soon, Kathy >From: "carolynwhite2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a >little?? >Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:00:16 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "carolynwhite2" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:00:16 -0000 Size: 3723 URL: From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Nov 4 14:30:41 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:30:41 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul: > Oh, I think we guessed that for some reason, your location was > blocking the port. We can certainly check it again since it only > takes a minute to click on the URL and tell me to look. Has the site address changed from the one listed in the "Cataloguing Notes V3" file? I just tried that one, and got a page not found error. Can't remember if that's what happens when one doesn't have access, or if I made some other mistake. Anyway, if I did it correctly, can you check and see if my IP address showed up? -Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Nov 4 14:52:01 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:52:01 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > Has the site address changed from the one listed in the "Cataloguing > Notes V3" file? I just tried that one, and got a page not found > error. Can't remember if that's what happens when one doesn't have > access, or if I made some other mistake. Anyway, if I did it > correctly, can you check and see if my IP address showed up? > > -Kelly The site address is: http://24.0.253.65:8888/ Carolyn From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Nov 4 16:43:55 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:43:55 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As ever, I'm apparently going to run hot and cold. I'm just getting back to HP after another absence. But I think I could average 30 posts a day. And HPfGU has just sent me an invitation to join the elves, and I *really* want to do it! They aren't even asking me to moderate newbie posts. Okay, I can do this if I drop something else. At least, my daughter's volleyball season just ended... Anne From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 4 17:21:48 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:21:48 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I added 216.99.245.220 (algx.net) a few minutes ago. That may be your location. On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:30:41 -0000, corinthum wrote: > > Paul: > > Oh, I think we guessed that for some reason, your location was > > blocking the port. We can certainly check it again since it only > > takes a minute to click on the URL and tell me to look. > > Has the site address changed from the one listed in the "Cataloguing > Notes V3" file? I just tried that one, and got a page not found > error. Can't remember if that's what happens when one doesn't have > access, or if I made some other mistake. Anyway, if I did it > correctly, can you check and see if my IP address showed up? > > -Kelly > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Nov 4 17:58:42 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:58:42 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Paul Kippes wrote: > I added 216.99.245.220 (algx.net) a few minutes ago. That may be your location. Nope, not me. Here's my ipconfig data; will it help? Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : navo.navy.mil IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.31 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.19 -Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Nov 5 16:07:14 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:07:14 -0000 Subject: Web site down.. Message-ID: The catalogue site seems to be down at the moment. Have YM'd Paul... From paul-groups at wibbles.org Fri Nov 5 17:36:13 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:36:13 -0000 Subject: Web site down.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > The catalogue site seems to be down at the moment. Have YM'd Paul... I can't reach it either. This probably means that today my IP address decided to change. I really hope that is the case since I was thinking this morning that, "Man, that fan sure seems louder than normal. I think I'll change that this weekend." Paul...wondering if all is well on the home front.... From paul-groups at wibbles.org Sat Nov 6 06:17:04 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 06:17:04 -0000 Subject: Web site down.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you okay now? I think it must be network slowness. I couldn't connect from work because my work IP changed. But even once I got home, I still couldn't browse the web all that well. Seems okay now. --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > The catalogue site seems to be down at the moment. Have YM'd Paul... From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 6 12:34:29 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:34:29 -0000 Subject: Web site down..and still down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" wrote: > > Are you okay now? I think it must be network slowness. I couldn't > connect from work because my work IP changed. But even once I got > home, I still couldn't browse the web all that well. Seems okay now. > Paul, unfortunately not. Can get into the catalogue ok, but posts won't load and the connection times out. It seems a network problem, as you say, rather than a problem your end. Hope it sorts itself out sometime soon... Carolyn From paul-groups at wibbles.org Sat Nov 6 19:34:32 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:34:32 -0000 Subject: Things okay now (was Re: Web site down..and still down) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think we had two problems. There was the connection problem. That I confirmed last night. For now, that looks to have been fixed since I can use the Internet with no problem. The other thing is my server ran out of disk space or was nearly out of disk space. This seems to have caused MySQL to build up some errors that once the connection problem resolved itself, caused the site to work slowly. But after running the repair utility, things look normal again. MySQL is robust enough that I doubt any data was lost or corrupted. But the internal data structures MySQL uses were corrupt enough they needed to be repaired. I'll have the site up in about 10 minutes. --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" > wrote: > > > > Are you okay now? I think it must be network slowness. I couldn't > > connect from work because my work IP changed. But even once I got > > home, I still couldn't browse the web all that well. Seems okay > now. > > > > Paul, unfortunately not. Can get into the catalogue ok, but posts > won't load and the connection times out. It seems a network problem, > as you say, rather than a problem your end. Hope it sorts itself out > sometime soon... > > Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Nov 6 20:23:28 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:23:28 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now (was Re: Web site down..and still down) Message-ID: Hi, I'm in, so this computer does work. Carolyn, I have about 50 more to do from last batch and you could send me another 100. I probably will not start coding until Monday, it's ususally too hectic on weekends to concentrate. Kathy >From: "kippesp" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now (was Re: Web site down..and >still down) >Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:34:32 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "kippesp" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now (was Re: Web site down..and still down) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:34:32 -0000 Size: 3582 URL: From kkearney at students.miami.edu Sun Nov 7 01:33:11 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 01:33:11 -0000 Subject: Wrong batch of posts? Message-ID: Carolyn, I just tried to start my next batch of posts, and it seems they (or at least the first few they) have already been completed. I had written down posts 21151-25250 as my next set; can you check to see if I wrote this down incorrectly? And if so, which posts am I supposed to be working on? Thanks, Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 7 08:58:28 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:58:28 -0000 Subject: Wrong batch of posts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > > Carolyn, > > I just tried to start my next batch of posts, and it seems they (or at > least the first few they) have already been completed. I had written > down posts 21151-25250 as my next set; can you check to see if I wrote > this down incorrectly? And if so, which posts am I supposed to be > working on? > > Thanks, > Kelly Kelly, just checked for you, and the numbers were: 25151-25250 - I wouldn't have given you nearly 4000 posts to do in one go, not even as a severe punishment !! (Honest...). Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 7 09:01:41 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:01:41 -0000 Subject: Things okay now /posts for Kathy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > Hi, > I'm in, so this computer does work. > > Carolyn, I have about 50 more to do from last batch and you could send me > another 100. I probably will not start coding until Monday, it's ususally > too hectic on weekends to concentrate. > > Kathy > > Here's another batch: 28001-28100. Glad you were able to fix your computer problems. Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 7 18:29:29 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 18:29:29 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday 7th November Message-ID: PROGRESS 36115 posts allocated or coded; 33781 actually coded; 20319 rejected (60%). Only 966 posts coded this week, and just 5 people coding. Thanks to the regulars for keeping going... NEW CATEGORY 2.4.3.2 (1123) Harry's dreams From kkearney at students.miami.edu Sun Nov 7 19:07:22 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:07:22 -0000 Subject: Wrong batch of posts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > Kelly, just checked for you, and the numbers were: 25151-25250 - I > wouldn't have given you nearly 4000 posts to do in one go, not even > as a severe punishment !! (Honest...). Oops, should have looked at that more closely... I didn't even notice the huge amount I had given myself; just saw the last three numbers and thought 100. -Kelly, beginning the right posts now From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Nov 8 12:20:16 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:20:16 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now /posts for Kathy Message-ID: Carolyn, Yet a new problem! I'm beginning to think I have a poltergeist in the house. I have 2 teenagers so it would be reasonsable! (With 2 teenagers, who needs a poltergeist!) Although, without the teenagers, I would not be back online. Now, to the probelm: I have the number for my newest batch, but I've lost the slip of paper with my last set listed and I have to finish that set as well. Do you have the numbers for that set? Kathy >From: "carolynwhite2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now /posts for Kathy >Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:01:41 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "carolynwhite2" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Things okay now /posts for Kathy Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:01:41 -0000 Size: 2610 URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Nov 8 14:26:35 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:26:35 -0000 Subject: HP and the history of golf...[28391] Message-ID: >2. Where does Wood get a bunch of golf balls? There is no mention of >wizards playing golf anywhere and he doesn't know about basketball, >why would he know about golf. Ah, time for a history of golf, as I researched it for a silly one- liner in a long-ago chapter of Surfeit of Curses. Golf existed long before the split between the Muggle and Wizarding worlds. From one of the history sites, I found this - the earliest known instances of playing golf was in the 15th century using wooden clubs. http://www.golfsite.com/golfhistory.html Wooden shafted golf clubs were handmade in various shapes and sizes and very expensive. Many different kinds of wood were used with hickory being the most popular, hence, most wooden shafted clubs are call "hickorys." Considering the clubs were also easily broken, only the wealthy could afford to play. I also found this about golf balls: The leather cased and internally stuffed (feathery) golf ball period may have begun as early as the 1400s or as late as the 1600s and lasted into the early 1850s. The golf balls used during the pre-1700s period may have been wooden balls or leather cased balls that were stuffed with uncombed wool flock (the sajet ball?) or hair. The use of hair or flock as stuffing was most likely a short-lived process as the flock quickly lost its' resilience. Ultimately, early ball makers found using feathers produced a lively, longer lasting golf ball. A feathery golf ball? Sounds vaguely like a Snitch - even looks a bit like one - see http://www.webcom.com/oldgolf/opfeath1.jpg or read about them at http://webcom.com/oldgolf/feathery.html - clearly, golf existed when the wizarding and muggle worlds were more interrelated and there was interraction between the two groups. Further, even though matches were played with Snidgets, it's unlikely that they were commonly used in practices - it would've made more sense to use the feathery golf balls that the wizards used while playing golf for this purpose as well. I believe that Hogwarts, which exists in the Land Where Golf Was Created (Scotland) has traditionally used golf balls in play, perhaps from St Andrews' course, which is the oldest of the prestigious - maybe they traditionally send a gross of balls to some post box annually, from which they are delivered to Hogwarts, without either side interacting with each other. This is the kind of transaction that could have its roots in time immemorial, and it's Just Done That Way. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Nov 8 14:29:49 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 14:29:49 -0000 Subject: Things okay now /posts for Kathy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > > Now, to the probelm: I have the number for my newest batch, but I've lost > the slip of paper with my last set listed and I have to finish that set as > well. Do you have the numbers for that set? > > Kathy > An easy one... Your last batch was: 26404-26500; I think you had got to 26454 when I added the numbers up on Sunday. Carolyn From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Mon Nov 8 15:34:43 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:34:43 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > I don't like to keep bombarding you all with individual emails, so > just thought I'd point out that the coding has slowed very > considerably over the last few weeks, after a burst of enthusiasm in > September. > > Currently we are at post 27650, and I would really like to get to > post 50000 by the end of December. > > Now, I dragged you all into this daft project, and therefore > cheerfully take most of the burden - roughly, I am coding about 100 > posts a day. But then I'm self-employed and can please myself how I > use my time...it's not so easy for others, I realise. > > But the maths is pretty simple, and any of you can do it on the back > of the proverbial fag packet. Here it is: > > Approx 10 people are coding regularly (12-13 are actually possible) > 50000-27650 = 22350/10 = 2235 posts each > 8 weeks up to 31st Dec > 2235/8 = 280 posts per week per person approx > > The numbers are actually far smaller, given the contribution I am > making - maybe 20-30 per day from everyone would get us to this > target, especially if the 2-3 sporadic contributors joined in. > > I recognise that a daily quota does not suit how many people like to > work, so only take this as an example of how the numbers work out. > > Maintaining the same kind of effort the following year would get us > to post 100 000 by about June - hopefully in time before Book 6 > appears. > > Perhaps you could all let me know whether you think these numbers are > completely impossible - and if so, whether we should try and recruit > more people ? > Um. Do I sniff the miasma of "I must get this lot organised, even if it kills them"? IIRC the last time 'targets' were mentioned it was "Oh, maybe to 50 or 60,000 before the next book, then hand over to Admin." Or am I mistaken? What's changed? I have a vision of horror, where voluntary participation escalates into an expected work product. Please tell me I'm wrong. 'Cos if I'm not, I'm out of here. For myself, I do what I can when it's convenient; I can *guarantee* nothing and I can't, won't make promises regarding how much, how often. That said, it's a rare week when I contribute nothing. Speaking of which - I've finished my current batch. Oh, and there's a thread starting at 22753 "Harry Potter Burn-out." How many others have succumbed? Barry From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Nov 8 16:18:14 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:18:14 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" wrote: > > That said, it's a rare week when I contribute nothing. > > Speaking of which - I've finished my current batch. > > Oh, and there's a thread starting at 22753 "Harry Potter Burn-out." > How many others have succumbed? > > Barry Twit, I know perfectly well how much you are coding... Here's some more if you can bear it: 28401-28650. Carolyn From kkearney at students.miami.edu Mon Nov 8 18:17:56 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:17:56 -0000 Subject: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: > Here's my ipconfig data; will it help? > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : navo.navy.mil > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.31 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.1 Paul, any chance of this computer working with the catalogue? Or am I out of luck? Thanks, Kelly From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Nov 8 21:37:56 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:37:56 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? Message-ID: OK everyone, take cover. Carolyn called Barry a twit. This is serious. Pretty soon she'll be cancelling the merciful beheadings and calling off Christmas. Code quickly! Kathy >From: "carolynwhite2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a >little?? >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:18:14 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "carolynwhite2" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:18:14 -0000 Size: 2620 URL: From paul-groups at wibbles.org Mon Nov 8 23:50:23 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:50:23 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No. It looks like you're being blocked before you hit my server. I did not see your IP address in my log looking back to the 5th. On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:17:56 -0000, corinthum wrote: > > I wrote: > > > Here's my ipconfig data; will it help? > > > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : navo.navy.mil > > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.31 > > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 > > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.1 > > Paul, any chance of this computer working with the catalogue? Or am > I out of luck? > > Thanks, > Kelly > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Nov 9 13:23:14 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:23:14 -0000 Subject: minor rant ..(TBay with recipes) Message-ID: The catalogue office was based in an old turn-of-the-century building perched high above the sweeping cove of Theory Bay. From its windows there was an uninterrupted view of the crowded harbour, The George, and on the opposite side of the bay, the blacked out windows and barricaded doors of the Safe House. A steep path led directly down to the beach and a private jetty, where the dull grey hull of an ex-navy reconnaisance vessel bobbed sinisterly on the morning tide, its sleepless radar constantly turning. It was 10am and people were slowly straggling in to work, but before the harrassed chief editor could even get her coat off, there was a noise on the stairs and she realised that she was not the first person in the office today. An ageing, disreputable and extremely angry man wearing a horrible Crimplene suit, and with a drooling child clamped to his leg, burst into the room and thrust a piece of paper in her face. Screwing up her nose at the pong, and wondering just when he left the pub last night, she peered at it ..her heart sank. Even without her glasses she could make out the word `TWIT' scrawled in capital letters all over his neatly-typed memo. `So, you think you can insult me, do you, harpie?' Kneasy began (for it was he) `I, the last bastion of cynicism and common sense.. I, the last defender of conspiracy theory.. I .' his voice sank to an evil hiss `I .' It was essential to head him off before he really got into his stride. Sighing, she started to gabble the well-worn phrases: `Master, Master..I have done wrong..I am not worthy to kiss the hem of your cloak..' It was no good, the famous lip started to curl in contempt .this morning she was going to be Crucioed for sure, before the last wounds had even started to heal but then the front door banged open in the nick of time. Anne breezed in, smiling serenely. `Just look who I've found playing on the beach', she said brightly. Three uncertain teenagers hovered behind her, accompanied by a red-haired woman, dressed unsuitably in a virginal white summer dress. `They were all just so thrilled to have been understood at last' said Anne.. `and I thought they should come along and meet Barry and say thank you'. Her smile faltered somewhat at the expression on his face, which would have curdled milk at a hundred yards. `We had to write an essay about our hero at school, Mr Arrowsmith, and I wrote about you' said Ron, beaming up at him trustingly. Chuckling evilly, Carolyn looked Kneasy in the eye and commented: `Discretion is the better part of valour, don'tcha think ? The deal is you get back upstairs and do something useful whilst I get rid of this lot, ok?' There was a tense moment...then Kneasy turned and started stomping back up to his attic office, carelessly banging the head of SnapeSon against the wall as he went. The mothers in the office all pursed their lips, but wisely realised this wasn't the moment to start a child abuse thread. Someone opened a window. `Now' began Carolyn..but they had another visitor. A flustered and indignant woman of indeterminate age, who still imagined she looked good in a gymslip and stiletto heels pushed her way into the office. `How could you bring these children in here!' she shrieked at Anne, who looked rather taken aback. `What were you playing at, allowing this ?' she demanded of the woman in white, who had been absent-mindedly fixing her make up. Lily cast a bored glance at her son Harry, and started checking her text messages. `Don't you understand that their characterisation could have been ruined by exposure to Unbelievers?' Faith (for it was she) glared round the office accusingly. A girl called Eva in the Belgian section hastily tucked her new Featherboa out of sight. `Riddikulus!' snapped Carolyn, opening the door. Faith hustled all the visitors out of the office and tottered back down the hill towards a waiting bus, who would take them all back to the safety of JKRowling.com. More than once her stilettos got stuck in the mud and she fell, exposing very uninteresting amounts of thigh. `Now..' said Carolyn again, with menace `who exactly put that memo on Kneasy's desk last night ?' Potioncat pretended to look busy, but in vain. `Thought it would be amusing to come in and find me fighting for my life this morning, did you..well, your punishment is to take up his morning coffee by yourself!' Potioncat blanched. `But no one, no one dares enter his office ' she stuttered. And it was true. Quantities of green, purple and red ink, piles of books and reams of paper were carried up there; indeed they accounted for most of the catalogue group's meagre budget. But no one was allowed in .ever. `The only thing that might save you' said Carolyn, `is if you prepare this recipe* to the letter, carry it with care to his door, and proffer the cake on a pitchfork. Just maybe his sweet tooth will give you a few precious seconds to get back down the stairs unhurt -'. Presently, a glorious smell of baking pervaded the office. Later, a frightened but alive Potioncat tumbled back down the stairs. The office waited. At last, the staccato sound of a clumsy, two-fingered typist resumed from the top of the building, and puffs of evil green and black smoke rose in choking clouds from the chimneys. Everyone relaxed. It seemed things were back to normal. *TORTA AL CIOCCOLATO Not to be eaten by anyone with an incipient heart condition, but otherwise excellent to cure HP-induced burn out. 150g (6oz) whole, skinned almonds 1 brioche (or 4 little breakfast ones) 300g (12oz) fine dark chocolate 150g (6oz) unsalted butter 150g (6oz) caster sugar 150g (6oz) mascarpone cheese 4 eggs Quarter tsp real vanilla essence Blast the almonds and brioche together in a food-processor until they are reduced to rough crumbs. Prepare a baking tin by greasing the sides with butter, then sprinkling on some of the above mixture until well-coated. Melt the chocolate in a bowl over boiling water. Cream butter and sugar together in another bowl. Add eggs, vanilla essence, chocolate, rest of brioche/nut mixture and mascarpone. Mix well, pour into prepared pan. Bake at 180C for about 40 minutes and leave to cool for 15min before turning out. It makes a very flat cake, which hardly rises and often cracks. Serve warm or cold with cr?me fraiche. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Tue Nov 9 17:25:23 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:25:23 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: minor rant ..(TBay with recipes) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <565FFF18-3274-11D9-B2B5-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com> "Cake? Cake? Is this some sort of joke?" Kneasy was not a happy bunny and the whole world would know of it. Steam (of an interesting sort of pale pistachio tint and nicely complementing the cheese dip on his shirt front) vented gently from his ears. "Is that all I'm worth? Bloody cake? Where's the virgins with the educated hands and the almond oil? Where's the heiress with the brewery? And where's the cup made from a skull brimming full with the blood of me enemies?" He crouched behind his desk, shielded by the impregnable might of the iMac!Spell-checker ("Must teach it real English one of these days" he mused irritably), flicking fag-ash hither and yon from a scruffy roll-up. "Twit, is it?" He smiled cruelly as he contemplated the collection of shrunken heads, each carefully labelled - "Forgot to stir me tea" read one; "Pointed out grammatikul error" said another; "Liked Sirius" read a third. "Always room for a few more. Them'us dies'll be the lucky ones. Wait 'till they turn up on TBAY with cellullite, zits and Donny Osmond badges - then we'll see who's laughin'." He glanced down at Snape!Son, who gave him a gummy smile and started new excavations in his left nostril. "And those bloody kids! Got no idea! Lower me standards - just once! - let their malformed, degenerate, stunted, two-dimensional so-called characters pollute me keyboard and look what happens. All over yer like a rash. Some illiterate runt from the Weasley litter starts sucking up 'cos he's hoping to get his own series. Ha!" The Kneasy digits flexed, straying towards the keyboard, itching to pound further perverse interpretations of canon. Somewhere out there was a care-free Fluffy with dreams of happy ever after and pink SHIPS covered with hearts. "We'll see about that - later. But that can wait; first there were some scores to settle." The deathless prose flowed..... "The desk blotter, heavily festooned with "CW loves GWB" graffiti and weighted down on one corner by the thesis that would prove her worth as a scholar - "Barbara Cartland - paradigms for a new feminine role model - an exegesis" was pushed to one side...." Kneasy smiled. Yes! From paul-groups at wibbles.org Wed Nov 10 06:40:52 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:40:52 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the coding a little?? In-Reply-To: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15012858F5@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> References: <502C27106D99DB478C13DEDBFD185E15012858F5@EUR-MSG-12.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: I log any blocked attempts to that port. How about we skip all this and I just switch to another port. I bet if I move to 443 everyone would be okay. I can do a test with Kelly first. But it would be best to both be on YM to coordinate. If it works, then everyone would use :443 rather than :8888. On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:42:04 -0000, Tim Regan wrote: > > Hi Kelly & Paul, > > If the navo.navy.mil set-up is anything like ours at work, Paul will not > see the IP number of Kelly's actual machine, but instead the IP number > of one of a number of proxies. > > For some work I was doing with NTL, I had to get them to unblock IP > numbers on their incoming firewall, and the only way to do it was to get > the IP range used by our proxies from IT, the actual IP number of my PC > was irrelevant. > > Your set-up may be different though. > > Just a thought. > > Cheers, > > Tim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Kippes [mailto:paul-groups at wibbles.org] > Sent: 08 November 2004 23:50 > To: hpfgu-catalogue at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Minor rant...can we speed up the > coding a little?? > > No. It looks like you're being blocked before you hit my server. I did > not see your IP address in my log looking back to the 5th. > > On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:17:56 -0000, corinthum > wrote: > > > > I wrote: > > > > > Here's my ipconfig data; will it help? > > > > > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : navo.navy.mil IP Address. . . > > > . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.31 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . > > > . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 128.160.131.1 > > > > Paul, any chance of this computer working with the catalogue? Or am I > > > out of luck? > > > > Thanks, > > Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Nov 10 14:33:14 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:33:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: minor rant ..(TBay with recipes) Message-ID: Potioncat stumbled down the stairs and sank into the chair at her desk. "Cake! Cake! With all the half baked ideas I've come up with, you'd think they'd know I can't cook! Good thing for me the thing smelled good! how do they expect me to make coffee, bake a cake....and code! With any luck I'll get a good run of Rejected Posts and it can look like I have some speed....of course, if I get too good, they'll probably expect me to babysit that Snape!Son Kneasy totters about with. Thank goodness it isn't twins! Uh, oh...how long has this intercom been on?" >From: "carolynwhite2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: minor rant ..(TBay with recipes) >Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:23:14 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "carolynwhite2" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: minor rant ..(TBay with recipes) Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:23:14 -0000 Size: 9247 URL: From HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 10 21:51:59 2004 From: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com) Date: 10 Nov 2004 21:51:59 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-Catalogue Message-ID: <1100123519.22449.40800.w77@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-Catalogue group. File : /Complete category list with definitions.doc Uploaded by : carolynwhite2 Description : Complete category list as at 10th November 04 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/files/Complete%20category%20list%20with%20definitions.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, carolynwhite2 From HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com Wed Nov 10 22:19:47 2004 From: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com) Date: 10 Nov 2004 22:19:47 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-Catalogue Message-ID: <1100125187.6275.71653.w66@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-Catalogue group. File : /Cataloguing Site Notes as at Nov 04.doc Uploaded by : carolynwhite2 Description : Catalogue Site notes as at Nov 04 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/files/Cataloguing%20Site%20Notes%20as%20at%20Nov%2004.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, carolynwhite2 From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 11 04:24:14 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000 Subject: Connection quality Message-ID: My connection hasn't been very good of late. But tonight I reset power on everything and things look okay. So if anyone is still having problems we can look further into it. I'd like to try the move to that other port sometime next week. But I'll hold off until I can test it with Kelly and we all agree to a time for the switch. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Nov 11 04:59:14 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:59:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality Message-ID: Just be sure and send very clear, simple instructions, very slowly for those of us (me) who don't have a clue how these machines work. I've just read that the iPod is about to be replaced by 2 other letters of the alphabet and i don't have any idea what an iPod is. Kathy (very comfortable in the magic world, not so sure about the real one.) >From: "kippesp" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "kippesp" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000 Size: 2388 URL: From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 11 05:50:23 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:50:23 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Visit http://24.0.253.65:8888 You may not get any response back. But if you let me know, I'll check my log for the attempt. On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:59:14 -0500, Kathy Willson wrote: > Just be sure and send very clear, simple instructions, very slowly for > those of us (me) who don't have a clue how these machines work. > > I've just read that the iPod is about to be replaced by 2 other letters of > the alphabet and i don't have any idea what an iPod is. > > Kathy (very comfortable in the magic world, not so sure about the real one.) > > > >From: "kippesp" > >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com > >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000 > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "kippesp" > To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000 > Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality > > My connection hasn't been very good of late. But tonight I reset > power on everything and things look okay. So if anyone is still > having problems we can look further into it. > > I'd like to try the move to that other port sometime next week. But > I'll hold off until I can test it with Kelly and we all agree to a > time for the switch. > > > > > > From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 11 05:53:15 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:53:15 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Connection quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My connection still sucks. But a tech will be here Saturday to have a look. I'll try to remember to send an YM to Carolyn when he gets here. On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:24:14 -0000, kippesp wrote: > > My connection hasn't been very good of late. But tonight I reset > power on everything and things look okay. So if anyone is still > having problems we can look further into it. > > I'd like to try the move to that other port sometime next week. But > I'll hold off until I can test it with Kelly and we all agree to a > time for the switch. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Nov 11 11:29:35 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:29:35 -0000 Subject: NEW FEATURE on catalogue site Message-ID: Paul's just added a really useful new feature at my request. You can now see the category names as well as numbers for previously coded posts, eg: Reviewer's name: XXX 123456's categories: 1.2.1.3 (category name) 3.6.7.6 (category name) Hope this will be really helpful when you are trying to follow the past coding on a thread - if you click up one on the thread, you can see what someone else did with it (or remind yourself of your own decisions). Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Nov 11 13:21:18 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:21:18 -0000 Subject: Hermione's birthday Message-ID: I've just come upon a slew of posts about Hermione's birthday (year). Is that a resolved issue that I reject, (Lexicon has it as 1980) or is a topic I code? Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Nov 11 13:44:51 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:44:51 -0000 Subject: Hermione's birthday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > I've just come upon a slew of posts about Hermione's birthday > (year). Is that a resolved issue that I reject, (Lexicon has it as > 1980) or is a topic I code? > > Kathy Reluctantly, I think we keep it - though only good posts, please, not short one-liners. I'm thinking of my proposal of axing the Weasley ages debates, now it's been clarified by Herself (allegedly). Debbie and Kelly thought we should keep old debates for posterity, and because of the dispute as to what is canon or not (Lexicon certainly not infallible). Carolyn From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Nov 11 16:51:07 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:51:07 -0000 Subject: Connection quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > My connection hasn't been very good of late. But tonight I reset > power on everything and things look okay. So if anyone is still > having problems we can look further into it. > > I'd like to try the move to that other port sometime next week. But > I'll hold off until I can test it with Kelly and we all agree to a > time for the switch. Not at work today (Veteran's Day, yay), but I should be able to test either tomorrow or next week. Just let me know when to try the new address. -Kelly From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Nov 12 17:58:21 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:58:21 -0000 Subject: Topic Summary Message-ID: I've come across something new (to me) in Post 28045 from Oct 2001. It's a Theme Topic and Questions. This one was "Food and Drink". Has anyone else come across others? It looks like a Chapter Summary, but I think it would take much more work and thought. Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Nov 12 20:37:52 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:37:52 -0000 Subject: That no-good floozy... Message-ID: >From Eric Oppen [28902], one of my very favourite posters - good to see he is still going strong ! He wrote an hilarious one somewhile back as to what he would do if, as a batchelor like Sirius, it suddenly looked like he had to take care of a 15-month old toddler. Very interesting stuff about the possiblity of Snape being soured on life through an unrequited crush on Lily Evans. However, do we know that _as a teenage girl,_ Lily Evans was a nice person? Quite a few women I know who've turned out to be admirable people were, as teenagers, treacherous little cows whom I wouldn't have trusted with my back turned for one second. If Snape _had_ a Thing for Lily Evans, and she was a no-goodnick (nothing as evil as being a DE, but something rhyming with "witch," if you know what I mean) and she deliberately used him...as in, for instance, setting him up to be the fall-guy for some scheme of hers or the Marauders'...it could have easily left a permanent sour taste in Snape's mouth about relationships in general, and Lily Evans (Potter) very much in particular. Snape and I, I fear, share a weakness, Corsican Alzheimer's. That's where you forget everything but the grudges. And Snape now has to deal with the fact that a lot of people know he was a DE once, no matter who vouches for him. That could put the kibosh on a lot of potential relationships. Lily Evans' teachers' good opinion of her doesn't count for much, necessarily. The women I referred to above, in many cases, were very good at presenting one face to those in authority and another to their classmates and age-mates. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Nov 12 21:59:27 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:59:27 -0000 Subject: Topic Summary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > I've come across something new (to me) in Post 28045 from Oct 2001. > It's a Theme Topic and Questions. This one was "Food and Drink". > Has anyone else come across others? It looks like a Chapter > Summary, but I think it would take much more work and thought. > > Kathy The ones I have come across so far are mainly about magic - what it is/how it works, eg: 6376, 17591, 19036, 19019, 20352. I must admit, it's not these type of topics that interest me so much. Just running my eye down our list of categories, subjects that I would like to see pulled together include: - V's agenda - D's agenda - Spying, espionage & betrayal - Plot development - Back history (most incidents) - WW history/Historical WW characters - Relationship with muggle world - Class system/racism/bigotry; purebloods/halfbloods - Rules & ethics for using magic I'd be interested to know what kind of FPs/FAQs were currently in the pipeline - Debbie, Jo - would you care to comment? Would they overlap at all with these sort of topics ? Carolyn From elfundeb at comcast.net Sat Nov 13 13:21:40 2004 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:21:40 -0000 Subject: Age Debates/Topic Summary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn, re tiresome age debates: <> Yes! All grants of authority to reject will be gleefully accepted. I worry that I'm cataloguing too much junk. For example, I've just been through a batch of mostly tiresome prefect predictions. We have a category for "Predictions - No Canon" but the posts that I would code up there are almost always posts I want to reject. I would be only too happy to consign all such posts to the reject bin, ;-) but wonder what would be left in that category. My personal view is that we should reject any prediction that's covered by a past or present poll question unless it includes serious analytical discussion. Is there a definitive rule? Carolyn: > Just running my eye down our list of categories, subjects that I > would like to see pulled together include: > > - V's agenda > - D's agenda > - Spying, espionage & betrayal > - Plot development > - Back history (most incidents) > - WW history/Historical WW characters > - Relationship with muggle world > - Class system/racism/bigotry; purebloods/halfbloods > - Rules & ethics for using magic Yes, we all have different lists. Mine would include: *Meta-themes (freewill, choice and fate; death and immortality; ambition) *Literary criticism (narrative style, foreshadowing, symbolism, characterisation and character development [the last of which doesn't have its own subcategory]) *Reader response and subversive readings *Back history *Other sources and influences *Political structure, MoM, WW government [I'm writing this one] *Class system, racism and bigotry *Courts and justice system *Rules and ethics for using magic and, inexplicably, *What is Canon? But I'm sure some readers' lists include Food and Drink, and even School Population, topics which would put me to sleep, so I guess we'll have to include them all. > I'd be interested to know what kind of FPs/FAQs were currently in the > pipeline - Debbie, Jo - would you care to comment? Would they overlap > at all with these sort of topics ? 'In the pipeline' is something of an exaggeration at this point, since we're waiting on the catalogue rollout to jumpstart the project. The existing organization is a bit different than the catalogue categories. It's mostly by character, so I'd say characterisation is a primary focus of the current FP list (as well as the group generally). So I'd expect to see V's agenda in the Voldemort FP and Dumbledore's in his. There are FPs planned for Class/Gender/Racial prejudice. The existing HypotheticAlley covers a lot of back history theories. And one is planned on the DEs that would definitely cover espionage. However, the existing list doesn't cover a lot of stuff. Suggestions are always welcome, and overlap is perfectly acceptable, in my view. Debbie From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 13 14:57:01 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:57:01 -0000 Subject: Age Debates/Topic Summary In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Debbie" wrote: > > Carolyn, re tiresome age debates: > > < not short one-liners.>> > > Yes! All grants of authority to reject will be gleefully accepted. I worry that I'm cataloguing too much junk. For example, I've just been through a batch of mostly tiresome prefect predictions. We have a category for "Predictions - No Canon" but the posts that I would code up there are almost always posts I want to reject. I would be only too happy to consign all such posts to the reject bin, ;-) but wonder what would be left in that category. My personal view is that we should reject any prediction that's covered by a past or present poll question unless it includes serious analytical discussion. Is there a definitive rule? Carolyn (again): Oi, Deb..it was you that wanted to keep the Weasley age debates last time for posterity! Slash and burn is my motto, and increasingly so, the more I code. I am rather proud of the fact that we have currently only kept 13500 posts out of the 33700 reviewed - just 40%. I hope we can cull that further at a later stage. The prefect predictions are extremely boring, I agree, especially as we know the answers now. I have only kept long, carefully-argued posts, and coded them to 'predictions with canon'/prefect category under Hogwarts. I carelessly bin a lot of the rest; please feel free to do the same. Do we have a definitive list of past/present poll questions? Could you post it? It would help a great deal in cleaning out the predictions section when we come to do the second edit. Can I remind people that you shouldn't be coding to the main code on predictions for any book, but should always make a decision about whether it is a canon/non-canon prediction and only use a sub-code. Having said that, Barry - this 'with canon/no canon' distinction under predictions was mostly put there after a broadside from you at some point - would you care to re-define what should go under what heading? I sometimes get confused myself. Ta. Carolyn: > > I'd be interested to know what kind of FPs/FAQs were currently in > the pipeline - Debbie, Jo - would you care to comment? Would they > overlap at all with these sort of topics ? Debbie: > 'In the pipeline' is something of an exaggeration at this point, > since we're waiting on the catalogue rollout to jumpstart the > project. The existing organization is a bit different than the > catalogue categories. It's mostly by character, so I'd say > characterisation is a primary focus of the current FP list (as well > as the group generally). So I'd expect to see V's agenda in the > Voldemort FP and Dumbledore's in his. > > There are FPs planned for Class/Gender/Racial prejudice. The > existing HypotheticAlley covers a lot of back history theories. And one is planned on the DEs that would definitely cover espionage. > However, the existing list doesn't cover a lot of stuff. > Suggestions are always welcome, and overlap is perfectly acceptable, > in my view. > Carolyn: Hm, an interesting response, but not entirely unexpected. Two comments: - we have to get to post-OOP before the catalogue stuff will be useful to update anything; in my view up to post 100 000 at least. Most FPs & FAQs stop dead at GOF, or earlier. - IMNVHO most of the discussion on the main list is dead boring at present (probably because I've now been a member too long, and there is a natural life-cycle to everything), but nevertheless, I think a new series of topic posts would do wonders to kick-start debate; I wish they could be sooner than next summer at the earliest. Any thoughts? Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Nov 13 15:20:35 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:20:35 -0000 Subject: Topic Summary catalogue question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn: > Hm, an interesting response, but not entirely unexpected. Two > comments: > > - we have to get to post-OOP before the catalogue stuff will be > useful to update anything; in my view up to post 100 000 at least. > Most FPs & FAQs stop dead at GOF, or earlier. > > - IMNVHO most of the discussion on the main list is dead boring at > present (probably because I've now been a member too long, and there > is a natural life-cycle to everything), but nevertheless, I think a > new series of topic posts would do wonders to kick-start debate; I > wish they could be sooner than next summer at the earliest. > > Any thoughts? Kathy (Potioncat) here, I agree. I participate in the "same old, same old" pretty much because I like to hear myself type. It would be nice to have new things to discuss or at least new ways to look at them. I think the chapter summaries are running through January. It looks like there are volunteers for all but one. And it would seem to make sense to start the Theme Summaries after that. Unless of course you think it wouldn't compete. How did it work before? Did an elf come up with a list of topics and ask for volunteers? Or were ideas for topics tossed out to the masses? I have one question about the catalogue. Once it's up, will the follow on reply numbers appear or just the one post and its number? Or would they go back over to the main list and enter the number that way if they wanted to browse the entire thread? Oops, make that two. How much uproar will it cause when people see 60% of their posts are gone? (I think I'll be lucky if 10% of mine remain.) I do admit, I'm beginning to enjoy hitting the reject button. Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 13 15:59:01 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:59:01 -0000 Subject: Topic Summary catalogue question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > How did it work before? Did an elf come up with a list of topics > and ask for volunteers? Or were ideas for topics tossed out to the > masses? > Carolyn: Hasten to add that I'm not on that committee, or indeed even part of Admin (my choice; same reason as Groucho) - so dunno how it's supposed to work - Dicey, Deb?? I've a feeling that members that have written something good in a particular area are grabbed round the neck and asked to elaborate.. ie, the usual method . But I would be interested to know more about how the topic list is/was agreed on. I think it would worthwhile to put a suggested list of topics to the members (maybe on Feedback), and see what responses there were. Personally, I think the concept of FAQs should be re-thought. Dumbledore's gleam, to take the most frequently cited, is in fact a very interesting question, and I think this could be more usefully treated within a longer essay. Its a moot question whether that essay should, essentially, be a DD character review (I think not), or a mixture of character/plot review. Kathy: > I have one question about the catalogue. Once it's up, will the > follow on reply numbers appear or just the one post and its number? Or would they go back over to the main list and enter the number that way if they wanted to browse the entire thread? > > Oops, make that two. How much uproar will it cause when people see > 60% of their posts are gone? (I think I'll be lucky if 10% of mine > remain.) I do admit, I'm beginning to enjoy hitting the reject > button. Carolyn: All good questions. In answer to your first, the catalogue is not intended to replicate or replace Yahoo. If people just want to find replies to a particular post, then they should go to it and look for what is listed by Yahoo. All the backlist archives will remain up and running just as you see them now, they won't be taken down at all. Nothing will ever be deleted. We are merely making reject decisions within our own, duplicated copy of the archives. The thought at the moment is that the catalogue might be an additional resource listed on the home page, which you can click into and rummage about in, much as you might look up something in the Lexicon. Should we ever catch up with the main list, and any of us are still capable of coding, I would anticipate that additions might be made to the catalogue say with a week or two weeks time lag, applying the same rules as we have done up to now. And yes, this certainly means that we won't keep everything. I suppose people might make a fuss at some decisions, but, to be honest, that's so far in the future, it's not something I am going to worry about right now. Also, if we think their objections justified, it's easy enough to resurrect a post with a couple of clicks. Carolyn Looking forward to binning all the HBP predictions just as soon as Book 6 appears - keeping only the most bizarrely wrong, and a few of the nearly-right for posterity. And thinking of abandoning cataloguing for the weekend in favour of doing a lengthy response to Kneasy, who should be knighted (or otherwise engaged with a sword) for his efforts to restart discussion... From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sat Nov 13 17:11:31 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:11:31 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Age Debates/Topic Summary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <104F5E98-3597-11D9-92FF-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com> > > Can I remind people that you shouldn't be coding to the main code on > predictions for any book, but should always make a decision about > whether it is a canon/non-canon prediction and only use a sub-code. > > Having said that, Barry - this 'with canon/no canon' distinction > under predictions was mostly put there after a broadside from you at > some point - would you care to re-define what should go under what > heading? I sometimes get confused myself. Ta. > > Yeah. It's intended to distinguish between analysts/theorists and guessers. I tend to think that working at it deserves more credit than a guess or a hunch. In fact, if you wanted to cut down on the categories why not just enter only the predictions that are derived from analysis/theory? In actual fact, that was the idea I was promoting when I first contacted Admin; a list of "Prophecies" (posters predictions) that when it was all over could be scored as "Golden Balls or "A Load of Balls." The idea seems to have been expanded somewhat. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Every couple of days I get the guilts and stagger through some more, but more than 100 or so a week and I start to drool into my Pelican bib as my neurones close down and my IQ crashes. I get ratty too; a surfeit of past posts and the urge to indulge in a rant becomes overwhelming. I can skip posts on the current board but not when cataloguing. It's frustrating; I keep looking for the 'delete' button to consign them to a well-earned oblivion. The poster too. Courage Camille, this pain too must pass away. Kneasy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1056 bytes Desc: not available URL: From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Nov 13 17:37:50 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:37:50 -0000 Subject: ships from a former Navy Nurse Message-ID: I need some guidence on ships. I just fell into a whole fleet of posts about liking/disliking ships. This batch seems to be mainly "I like____________ posts" And I was merrily rejecting away, but a couple of them may have been of interest to those readers who enjoy shipping. The only ship I like is the one where I met my husband, but that's a whole different shipping story. Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 13 17:54:14 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:54:14 -0000 Subject: ships from a former Navy Nurse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > I need some guidence on ships. I just fell into a whole fleet of > posts about liking/disliking ships. This batch seems to be > mainly "I like____________ posts" And I was merrily rejecting away, > but a couple of them may have been of interest to those readers who > enjoy shipping. > > The only ship I like is the one where I met my husband, but that's a > whole different shipping story. > > Kathy You are asking me for guidance on shipping? I treat them a bit like WW essays. Rather than reading them, I eyeball the length, assess who it is posting, and stick them in a SHIP category only if they appear to be writing in proper paragraphs and to some purpose. I only take any notice of statements of acronym allegiences if there is some analysis attached to it. Some are precursor TBAY in style, so if you keep them, remember to click that tab. Carolyn Who thought she was on to a winner with a previous boyfriend who had a yacht, but then he took up windsurfing. You try draping yourself elegantly on the deck of one of those with a g&t... From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 13 18:04:27 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:04:27 -0000 Subject: Catalogue access problems.. Message-ID: Just a quick reminder - if anyone can't get in to the catalogue for any reason, please always, every time, send a quick email to Paul and let him know. Copy it to me by all means, but I can't actually do anything to resolve the problem, obviously. Paul will always respond within a few hours, often faster, and it's usually something very simple that takes him a minute or two to fix. I'm sorry that a couple of you seem to have endlessly variable IP addresses, but there doesn't seem to be anything for it, but to keep trying to pin down the range. Paul can't do that unless you keep hitting the site and letting him know when it doesn't work. Thanks Carolyn From paul-groups at wibbles.org Sat Nov 13 18:25:43 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:25:43 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Catalogue access problems.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And I'm still having connection problems. Since I missed the repair tech today, he is rescheduled for tomorrow morning. On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:04:27 -0000, carolynwhite2 wrote: > > Just a quick reminder - if anyone can't get in to the catalogue for > any reason, please always, every time, send a quick email to Paul and > let him know. > > Copy it to me by all means, but I can't actually do anything to > resolve the problem, obviously. > > Paul will always respond within a few hours, often faster, and it's > usually something very simple that takes him a minute or two to fix. > > I'm sorry that a couple of you seem to have endlessly variable IP > addresses, but there doesn't seem to be anything for it, but to keep > trying to pin down the range. Paul can't do that unless you keep > hitting the site and letting him know when it doesn't work. > > > Thanks > Carolyn > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Nov 14 03:47:30 2004 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:47:30 -0000 Subject: Age Debates/Topic Summary In-Reply-To: <104F5E98-3597-11D9-92FF-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com> Message-ID: Carolyn: > Oi, Deb..it was you that wanted to keep the Weasley age debates last > time for posterity! Slash and burn is my motto, and increasingly so, > the more I code. I am rather proud of the fact that we have currently > only kept 13500 posts out of the 33700 reviewed - just 40%. I hope we > can cull that further at a later stage. I do want to keep them, but partly because I think that whatever JKR says on her website is not the last word, and partly because there are well-reasoned posts on timeline issues that we should preserve. Do not fear . . . I can be quite ruthless about rejecting silly posts. > Do we have a definitive list of past/present poll questions? Could > you post it? It would help a great deal in cleaning out the > predictions section when we come to do the second edit. I will upload it to the files (if I have privileges) so it will be easy for cataloguers to find, as soon as I post this. I think a > new series of topic posts would do wonders to kick-start debate; I > wish they could be sooner than next summer at the earliest. We're looking at what kinds of structured discussions we should do after the chapters are done. A couple of years ago we had a series of discussions based on discussion questions from Dr. Philip Nel's study book on HP. Now there are lots of books and essays out there which could be used to stimulate discussion. Or we could do topics like the ones they were doing back in the day (but I hope we can find something more scintillating than Food and Drink). Topic suggestions are welcome. > Kathy (Potioncat: > I think the chapter summaries are running through January. It looks > like there are volunteers for all but one. And it would seem to > make sense to start the Theme Summaries after that. Unless of > course you think it wouldn't compete. > > How did it work before? Did an elf come up with a list of topics > and ask for volunteers? Or were ideas for topics tossed out to the > masses? I think in the old days they asked for victims on the lists. The Nel topics were handled by the elves, though, and I didn't even think they wanted help from the list until I asked when one of them would be taking place and they responded by asking me if I wanted to do it. Carolyn: But I would > be interested to know more about how the topic list is/was agreed on. > I think it would worthwhile to put a suggested list of topics to the > members (maybe on Feedback), and see what responses there were. Do you mean a list of FP topics or topics for structured list discussion? Either way, it was before my time. But since I seem to have inherited the FP project, I'm for considering any topic people want to see. Overlap can be dealt with via links. > Personally, I think the concept of FAQs should be re-thought. > Dumbledore's gleam, to take the most frequently cited, is in fact a > very interesting question, and I think this could be more usefully > treated within a longer essay. Its a moot question whether that essay > should, essentially, be a DD character review (I think not), or a > mixture of character/plot review. When I first joined the list the elves were prohibiting discussion of topics in the FAQs. My first crusade as an elf was to convince the old-timers that discussion of the gleam should not be squelched just because they were tired of it, because it did not have a clear answer. However, I'm interested to know why you think it should not be part of a character review. Perhaps the answer turns on whether you're interested in plot or in characterization. Carolyn: > Looking forward to binning all the HBP predictions just as soon as > Book 6 appears - keeping only the most bizarrely wrong, and a few of > the nearly-right for posterity. Can we bin them now? We've got a poll question to cover it. All we need to do is save the really well-reasoned ones. Like Boyd's, which was priceless and deserving of a triple FEATHERBOA. Debbie who once thought she was so clever to question whether Lily was really nice, about 10,000 posts after Eric Oppen did it From HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com Sun Nov 14 04:45:41 2004 From: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com) Date: 14 Nov 2004 04:45:41 -0000 Subject: New file uploaded to HPFGU-Catalogue Message-ID: <1100407541.1106.91033.w32@yahoogroups.com> Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the HPFGU-Catalogue group. File : /Polls.doc Uploaded by : elfundeb2 Description : Main List Polls You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/files/Polls.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, elfundeb2 From paul-groups at wibbles.org Sun Nov 14 22:18:38 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:18:38 -0000 Subject: Catalog server update Message-ID: It looks like I'll be having connection problems for the near future. It seems my ISP switched their backend provider on Tuesday and ever since then I've been having this sluggish performance. The tech who visited today wasn't surprised since my complaint has been commonly reported. But besides that, tonight I plan on reinstalling the server operating system. It is running an OS from 2002 and I wanted to spend next week and weekend looking at the newer version. My attempts to configure a backup server was eating too much time. This should be finished soon--Monday evening (US) at the latest. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 14 23:30:22 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:30:22 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday 14th November Message-ID: PROGRESS To date we have coded/allocated for coding 36866 posts. Of the 36866, we have actually coded 34892, and rejected 20817 of these - 59.6%. This week, with 8 people coding, we did 1111 posts - really good, since I didn't contribute as much as usual for various reasons. Thanks very much. Currently, we have reached post 29051 on the main list. CODING ERRORS Could you take a look at the reject/non-reject status on the following: 18401, 28434 - Barry 28034, 28032 - Kathy 27882, 27931 - Debbie GROUP MEMBERS I am pleased to welcome Doug (aka Eustace_Scrubb) to the group - he's taking a look around right now. TECH STUFF See Paul's message this evening. Hopefully some of the slow-server problem will eventually get solved one way or another. On the catalogue display front, Tim has done another screen design, which Paul and I are discussing. Once something a bit clearer emerges, I'll post it for comments. NEW CATEGORIES 2.15.6.1 (1125) Norbert 3.7.1.1 (1124) The Weird Sisters From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Nov 17 05:24:50 2004 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:24:50 -0000 Subject: Catalog server update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" wrote: > > It looks like I'll be having connection problems for the near > future. It seems my ISP switched their backend provider on Tuesday > and ever since then I've been having this sluggish performance. The > tech who visited today wasn't surprised since my complaint has been > commonly reported. > > But besides that, tonight I plan on reinstalling the server > operating system. It is running an OS from 2002 and I wanted to > spend next week and weekend looking at the newer version. My > attempts to configure a backup server was eating too much time. > This should be finished soon--Monday evening (US) at the latest. I'm still having problems. I can log in just fine, but then often the posts or categories won't load. Must still be a problem with your ISP then? Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Nov 17 09:04:49 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:04:49 -0000 Subject: Catalog server update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" > wrote: > > > > It looks like I'll be having connection problems for the near > > future. It seems my ISP switched their backend provider on Tuesday and ever since then I've been having this sluggish performance. > > I'm still having problems. I can log in just fine, but then often the posts or categories won't load. Must still be a problem with your ISP then? > > Anne Me too - it alternates between too slow to load, and whizzing through them, quite randomly. Also, sometimes I lose the coding I have done, for some reason, and have to repeat it. Hope all this can be solved. There seems no particular difference in timing - ie, it is just as bad early morning UK time as in heavy-traffic US time later in the day. Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Nov 17 22:13:51 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:13:51 -0000 Subject: Topic Summaries/new subjects for discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Debbie" wrote: > Carolyn: > But I would be interested to know more about how the topic list >is/was agreed on. I think it would worthwhile to put a suggested >list of topics to the members (maybe on Feedback), and see what >responses there were. > Debbie: > Do you mean a list of FP topics or topics for structured list > discussion? Either way, it was before my time. But since I seem >to have inherited the FP project, I'm for considering any topic >people want to see. Overlap can be dealt with via links. Carolyn: I think at the topic stage FP themes and ideas for structured discussion are the same thing. The one drives the other. The FP project got a bit stuck on characterisations, IMO. Obviously they are important and need to be updated thoroughly, but there is relatively little there on big themes. What I had in mind was coming up with a list of about 20 topics and put it up for discussion on Feedback and/or OTC, to see what big subjects really interested people. You could then use that to prioritise which subjects to kick off with. A slightly more elitist approach is to make sure that list doesn't have anything too tedious, like food & drink, geography, students at Hogwarts, SHIPping...need I go on, I think we could all fill in the blanks. My criteria to reject a topic would be if there was a long essay on the Lexicon about it - no point in duplicating. To get discussion started on the main list, you'd take the same approach as the chapter summaries. Someone does a pull-together overview, with good references, and a list of pointed questions. The FP could be pulled together quite quickly using that starter pack plus the assorted responses and a bit more digging. Carolyn: > > Personally, I think the concept of FAQs should be re-thought. > > Dumbledore's gleam, to take the most frequently cited, is in fact > a very interesting question, and I think this could be more usefully treated within a longer essay. Its a moot question whether that essay should, essentially, be a DD character review (I think not), or a mixture of character/plot review. > Debbie: > When I first joined the list the elves were prohibiting discussion > of topics in the FAQs. My first crusade as an elf was to convince > the old-timers that discussion of the gleam should not be squelched > just because they were tired of it, because it did not have a clear > answer. However, I'm interested to know why you think it should not be part of a character review. Perhaps the answer turns on whether you're interested in plot or in characterization. Carolyn: It's not that I'm uninterested in character discussions, of course not, most of whodunnit aspects of the plot turns on whether we are correct in our assessment of the character as presented. But I do differentiate between an analysis which sets out to be eg the definitive character sketch of Dumbledore, warts and all, and explication of knotty plot problems, such as the gleam. One aspect of the gleam is obviously that it means something to DD, but the whys and wherefores of what that might be, and how it affects future events is not really related to his character, although it certainly may be to his agenda [which is why we have the two categories on our coding list]. I don't think it should be dismissed as a FAQ - which tend to be fairly short bits of analysis, and in this case, mainly consists of saying 'yes, we all noticed it'. [Actually, it is a while since I looked at the FAQs, so apologies if it has been updated since I last read it]. >Debbie: > Can we bin them now? We've got a poll question to cover it. All we need to do is save the really well-reasoned ones. Like Boyd's, > which was priceless and deserving of a triple FEATHERBOA. > Carolyn: Is that in the FP database ? I hope I didn't miss it. It's his updated sock theory that I remember most vividly! Boyd -where are you, if you read this, remind us of your HBP post. From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 18 05:57:07 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:57:07 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catalog server update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From my point of view it sucks at a consistent level. I hoped that it would have resolved itself by now. But I'm on the phone now complaining again. Another tech will be here on Saturday. I'm assured he'll be smarter. On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:04:49 -0000, carolynwhite2 wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" > > > wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" > > wrote: > > > > > > It looks like I'll be having connection problems for the near > > > future. It seems my ISP switched their backend provider on > Tuesday and ever since then I've been having this sluggish > performance. > > > > > I'm still having problems. I can log in just fine, but then often > the posts or categories won't load. Must still be a problem with > your ISP then? > > > > Anne > > > Me too - it alternates between too slow to load, and whizzing through > them, quite randomly. Also, sometimes I lose the coding I have done, > for some reason, and have to repeat it. Hope all this can be solved. > There seems no particular difference in timing - ie, it is just as > bad early morning UK time as in heavy-traffic US time later in the > day. > > Carolyn > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Nov 18 15:59:34 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:59:34 -0500 Subject: brand new idea Message-ID: Hi, I just thought of something that no one else has ever thought of. Do you think Snape could have been the coward? No, wait, I really do have an idea that no one has thought of (yeah, sure.) So here is my unoriginal question. I've come across a number of posts about the Marauders in general. I've been coding to the 4 names individually. And I've come across posts about Scabbers. Which I've coded as Peter Pettigrew. Although it would hardly make sense to start a new code for those headings, will members be able to look up posts in the catalogue using Marauders or Scabbers? Why don't I just go and make coffee? Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Nov 18 17:55:30 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:55:30 -0000 Subject: brand new idea In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > Hi, > I just thought of something that no one else has ever thought of. > > Do you think Snape could have been the coward? Honestly, I couldn't resist - I thought Valky would have known better! > > No, wait, I really do have an idea that no one has thought of (yeah, sure.) > > So here is my unoriginal question. > > I've come across a number of posts about the Marauders in general. I've been coding to the 4 names individually. And I've come across posts about Scabbers. Which I've coded as Peter Pettigrew. Although it would hardly make sense to start a new code for those headings, will members be able to look up posts in the catalogue using Marauders or Scabbers? > > Why don't I just go and make coffee? > > Kathy Coffee always a good idea...& this morning I had my monthly selection delivered from a chocolate tasting club I belong to, as well (http://www.hotelchocolat.com). Not a moment too soon. What with a gungy HP database connection and trying to organise a bunch of nonsensical companies into paying me money to fund all my expensive habits for next year... I don't know. In a word, yes...they will be able to find Scabbers if they click Pettigrew and all other permutations such as Wormtail. There will also be a free search facility as well, as far as I understand it. In short, people will have No More Excuses... Carolyn From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Thu Nov 18 19:10:53 2004 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:10:53 -0600 Subject: That Old HBP Post and FPs/FAQs... Message-ID: >>Debbie wrote: >>Can we bin them now? We've got a poll question to cover it. All we need to do is save the really well-reasoned ones. Like Boyd's, which was priceless and deserving of a triple FEATHERBOA.<< >Then Carolyn wrote: >Is that in the FP database ? I hope I didn't miss it. It's his updated sock theory that I remember most vividly! Boyd -where are you, if you read this, remind us of your HBP post.< boyd: Wow, thanks for the very kind words! BTW, like so many others, I owe my moderately subversive nature to those who have gone before [glares at Kneasy] and to the payoff for all subversion: a richer discussion of the books. Unfortunately, the firewall at work now prevents me from accessing the groups directly (I'm purely an email groupie now), so I can't copy or link to the post Debbie mentions. But I'm guessing it's either SSHARP OWW (Salazar Slytherin Heaves Absolute Racial Purity On Wizard World) or PS I LOVE ME LETS KISS (Parasitic Salazar Is a Layer Of Voldemort, Evildoing Most Egregiously, Love Ends Tom's Spell, Kedavra Is Still Smarting) post a few months ago, where I suggested that Salazar's spirit currently inhabits Tim Riddle's body, and that Salazar is the HBP. Obviously I'm standing on the shoulders of giants with those, but I did provide plenty of supportive canon. Not definitive, but hopefully persuasive. BTW, while many of my posts are intended to get our mental juices flowing, I actually believe in these two. And I do hope for some real WW fear and mayhem before it's over--but I'm afraid it will all be implied and offstage. To make this more than an assisted plug for some of my cockamamie theories, I'll weigh in on the FP/FAQ debate. Perhaps when we're nearly done with basic coding, a small team should canvass only categories with the most posts then add the FP code to those *few* posts most worthy in each category. So every significant area will have its own FPs, and no one feels that their pet category is left out. I, for one, don't care for discussions of school populations or SHIPs, but others do and have created some memorable pieces of work that would be a shame to miss. Then the FAQ team could do a 1-2 sentence summary of each FP and link to them. New members could then read through this enhanced list and focus on the topics that interest them. No popular topics left out, hopefully still a short read. As for concerns with repeating the Lexicon, why should we assume that all new members have perused the Lexicon? It is an awesome resourse, but quite large for a newbie to sift through. Addressing the most commonly discussed categories in one FAQ might be useful; plus, not all fantastic posters seem to agree with the Lexicon on topics such as Hogwarts/WW population, and that's OK. As for predictions with no canon, I think we should keep them only if they are genuinely groundbreaking, and even then only if they at least *try* to support the prediction with some decent logic. So for one-liner predictions (including the vast majority of HBP predictions) I'd reject 'em. They'll be worthless to future generations. Now back to coding! --boyd is it just me or have HPfGU posts been more interesting lately? From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Nov 20 13:57:49 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:57:49 -0000 Subject: Catalog server update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Paul Kippes wrote (by email): It may not be so bad. I never got the server reinstalled since I required it for work. (Not being able to remotely log into my work PC made things impossible.) So the reinstall of my home PC will now be Friday. Saturday morning a smarter tech should be by to take another look at things. I have high hopes that he'll set things right. If not, I'll be using my week of "vacation" to install DSL. And although positive, it totally sucks! Carolyn: Give us an update as soon as you can. Connection is totally down at the moment (Saturday afternoon, UK time). Hoping that's a good thing.... From paul-groups at wibbles.org Sat Nov 20 18:33:00 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:33:00 -0000 Subject: Catalog server update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" > Carolyn: > Give us an update as soon as you can. Connection is totally down at > the moment (Saturday afternoon, UK time). Hoping that's a good > thing.... The tech said he sees a large error bit rate in the alley (outside) and is surprised my cable modem works at all. So it is totally their problem. He entered a service ticket and it should be resolved in 72 hours. (I guess the guy from last week didn't do squat.) I'm taking this time to reinstall my server. This had to be done and it seemed like a good opportunity. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 21 21:53:28 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:53:28 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday 21st November Message-ID: PROGRESS Quite amazingly, we have continued to make progress this week, despite the ghastly technical problems. As of today, we have coded/allocated for coding 37815 posts. Of the 37815, we have actually coded 35935, and rejected 21299 of these (59.2%). We managed 1043 posts, this week with just 5 people coding, and have reached post 30 000 on the main list - another minor milestone (ok, I made sure we did..). GROUP MEMBERS I am pleased to welcome another new member, yet another Kathy (snow15145) - now we have three Kathy's, and a second KathyK..hm, we'll have to think of a new abbreviation for the catalogue site when you are ready to take a look at it (another member of this group, zanelupin, is already using KathyK). Would you mind being, maybe KathyS (for snow??). It's just an ID on the security page you will find. But thanks for joining and email me with any questions. Doug - Paul tells me he has unblocked one IP, which he thinks is yours, so you should be able to get into the catalogue now. We don't know if it was your home or work computer, can you email him directly about this (kippesp at yahoo.com) ? Kelly (Corinthum) - Paul is ready to try out the alternate port on Monday - please can you contact him directly about it ? Be good to get you hooked up at work. Lastly, David Frankis has decided to bow out, as he has found that RL committments mean he cannot contribute as much as he would like. TECH STUFF Well, what can I say? Just be assured that Paul is biting the carpets, climbing the walls ..and will endeavour to get his internet connection fixed ASAP. The good news is that the last technician probably identified what the problem was, so now they just have to fix it. However, I have found that the connection is not as bad as all that - it comes and goes. You can code quickly for half an hour maybe, then it slows to a crawl for a minute or two, then picks up. So, worth giving it a try when you can. However, Paul will post here as and when he can tell us what is happening. Carolyn From elfundeb at comcast.net Mon Nov 22 03:08:18 2004 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 03:08:18 -0000 Subject: That Old HBP Post and FPs/FAQs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > boyd: > Unfortunately, the firewall at work now prevents me from accessing the > groups directly (I'm purely an email groupie now), so I can't copy or link > to the post Debbie mentions. But I'm guessing it's either SSHARP OWW > (Salazar Slytherin Heaves Absolute Racial Purity On Wizard World) or PS I > LOVE ME LETS KISS (Parasitic Salazar Is a Layer Of Voldemort, Evildoing Most > Egregiously, Love Ends Tom's Spell, Kedavra Is Still Smarting) post a few > months ago, where I suggested that Salazar's spirit currently inhabits Tim > Riddle's body, and that Salazar is the HBP. The post I had in mind was SSHARP OWW, and here's the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/103326 And, yes, I entered it into the recommended posts database. > To make this more than an assisted plug for some of my cockamamie theories, > I'll weigh in on the FP/FAQ debate. Perhaps when we're nearly done with > basic coding, a small team should canvass only categories with the most > posts then add the FP code to those *few* posts most worthy in each > category. So every significant area will have its own FPs, and no one feels > that their pet category is left out. I, for one, don't care for discussions > of school populations or SHIPs, but others do and have created some > memorable pieces of work that would be a shame to miss. Agreed, as the purpose of the FPs is to direct readers to worthwhile posts on all topics of interest to the group throughout its history (hence the intent not to reject posts on sunk theories), and there is an amazing amount of interest in these topics. The number of posts included really depends on how many worthwhile posts have been written. (To me, *few* means 3-5 and out of nearly 120,000 posts, I'm sure there are at least a few more than that, as there are a surprising number of angles from which to address the same good point.) As for concerns with repeating the Lexicon, why should we assume > that all new members have perused the Lexicon? It is an awesome resourse, > but quite large for a newbie to sift through. Addressing the most commonly > discussed categories in one FAQ might be useful; plus, not all fantastic > posters seem to agree with the Lexicon on topics such as Hogwarts/WW > population, and that's OK. Agreed. Debbie who needs to get back to coding, but probably should pay the bills first From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Nov 22 15:11:55 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:11:55 -0000 Subject: cards and rule breaking Message-ID: I've come upon two topics that aren't on the list. So far I've coded them under something else. One is rule breaking in general: how much of it is condoned, how wide spread it is, whether it's a good thing for the characters to do. I know we'll be seeing more of that later on too. The other is the chocolate frog cards. A question came up about whether information on Ron's cards would play into the plot later on. I think I coded this one under toys&games. Other ideas? BTW, good job, Barry, on the Pettigrew posts! You really got people talking. Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Nov 22 15:52:39 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:52:39 -0000 Subject: cards and rule breaking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > I've come upon two topics that aren't on the list. So far I've > coded them under something else. > > One is rule breaking in general: how much of it is condoned, how > wide spread it is, whether it's a good thing for the characters to > do. I know we'll be seeing more of that later on too. I've been coding to 'morality/immorality' and/or 'Hogwart's discipline general', depending on which way the post tended, and sometimes 'justice' as well. But maybe we need some extra codes ? > > The other is the chocolate frog cards. A question came up about > whether information on Ron's cards would play into the plot later > on. I think I coded this one under toys&games. Maybe 'predictions/no canon/Book 5' if not much too it, but code into the historic character mentioned if an extended discussion. > > Other ideas? > > BTW, good job, Barry, on the Pettigrew posts! You really got people > talking. > Kathy Azriona (Sharon) is the author of the ConventionAlley paper I've been banging on about. Glad to pull her in at last... Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Nov 22 16:16:26 2004 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:16:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: cards and rule breaking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yeah, those extra codes helped. Anyone who needs a shot of murder and mayhem should check out 29104, a filk by Caius Marcius. Very funny. Kathy >From: "carolynwhite2" >Reply-To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: cards and rule breaking >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:52:39 -0000 > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "carolynwhite2" Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: cards and rule breaking Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:52:39 -0000 Size: 3362 URL: From paul-groups at wibbles.org Wed Nov 24 06:22:51 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:22:51 -0000 Subject: Catalog URL change Message-ID: I've changed the port number for the catalog to permit Kelly to access the site from work. Everyone will now need to use the following URL for the catalog: http://24.0.253.65:443 And Kelly, you won't see anything until I unblock your work IP. I know you have given it to me, but I just take the number from the logs since there is no mistake using it. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 09:28:18 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:28:18 -0000 Subject: Catalog URL change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" wrote: > > I've changed the port number for the catalog to permit Kelly to > access the site from work. Everyone will now need to use the > following URL for the catalog: > > http://24.0.253.65:443 > > And Kelly, you won't see anything until I unblock your work IP. I > know you have given it to me, but I just take the number from the > logs since there is no mistake using it. Carolyn: Ok, that was painless - people, you will need to re-enter the user name and password/email me if you have forgotten it. Paul - I still don't see Doug's name on the access list - ?? Any news on the connection problem? Will your engineer fix it before the Thanksgiving holiday?? From kkearney at students.miami.edu Wed Nov 24 16:33:50 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:33:50 -0000 Subject: Catalog URL change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul wrote: > > And Kelly, you won't see anything until I unblock your work IP. I > > know you have given it to me, but I just take the number from the > > logs since there is no mistake using it. Okay, I'm on vacation right now, but I'll visit the site again next Monday so you can unblock me. Carolyn wrote: > Ok, that was painless - people, you will need to re-enter the user > name and password/email me if you have forgotten it. You say this as though it's a change... I've had to enter the user name and password every time I visit the site. Is this not how it's supposed to work? -Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Nov 24 16:51:48 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:51:48 -0000 Subject: Catalog URL change/Molly as Mdm Lafarge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > > Carolyn wrote: > > > Ok, that was painless - people, you will need to re-enter the user name and password/email me if you have forgotten it. > > You say this as though it's a change... I've had to enter the user > name and password every time I visit the site. Is this not how it's > supposed to work? > > -Kelly On the screen I get, you can click a box to tell it to remember the user name and password - are you not able to do this?? Carolyn Who is just totally thrilled to find Molly's constant knitting compared to Madame Lafarge in post 30958...Boyd - a new twist on the sock theory of life? And what does it say about Hermione ? Quite cheered up my afternoon.. From paul-groups at wibbles.org Thu Nov 25 00:35:24 2004 From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:35:24 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catalog URL change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No. And it is worse today I noticed. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:28:18 -0000, carolynwhite2 wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "kippesp" > > > wrote: > > > > I've changed the port number for the catalog to permit Kelly to > > access the site from work. Everyone will now need to use the > > following URL for the catalog: > > > > http://24.0.253.65:443 > > > > And Kelly, you won't see anything until I unblock your work IP. I > > know you have given it to me, but I just take the number from the > > logs since there is no mistake using it. > > Carolyn: > Ok, that was painless - people, you will need to re-enter the user > name and password/email me if you have forgotten it. > > Paul - I still don't see Doug's name on the access list - ?? > > Any news on the connection problem? Will your engineer fix it before > the Thanksgiving holiday?? > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. From kkearney at students.miami.edu Thu Nov 25 07:18:54 2004 From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:18:54 -0000 Subject: Catalog URL change/Molly as Mdm Lafarge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > On the screen I get, you can click a box to tell it to remember the > user name and password - are you not able to do this?? I've never noticed this option before, but I'll have to check when I get back home. It may be browser-dependent, since the password prompt I receive is Netscape's format (I avoid Internet Explorer whenever possible). -Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Nov 28 16:48:25 2004 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:48:25 -0000 Subject: UPDATE/what Update? Message-ID: Alas folks, can't give you an update this week because the site's collapsed entirely this pm (UK time). Don't think many people have been able to code much in the last 7 days anyway, so probably best not to do a bodycount. Let's hope Paul can get it sorted next week, once everyone goes back to work after Thanksgiving. Kathy (aka Snow) - sorry you are not hooked up to the catalogue yet, but probably best to wait until it is actually working before we try and set you up. Is it ominous that Tim Regan seems to have fallen off the member's list, or just a technical glitch?? Carolyn From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Nov 28 19:53:41 2004 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:53:41 -0000 Subject: UPDATE/what Update? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > Alas folks, can't give you an update this week because the site's > collapsed entirely this pm (UK time). Don't think many people have > been able to code much in the last 7 days anyway, so probably best > not to do a bodycount. > > Let's hope Paul can get it sorted next week, once everyone goes back > to work after Thanksgiving. > Hmm. Need to keep the old eye in. Perhaps until Paul manages to beat his server into submission (you have my sympathies, Paul) we could make a start cataloging the posts on the catalogue site. Of course some of the categories would have to change. Suggestions: Secret: do not divulge. Libellous. Rant (cross file under Kneasy) Frustration (explosive) - what IQ does this twit of a poster have? Frustration (depressive) - oh no, not another bloody favourite character poll Frustration (vicious) - who cares if you're a typical Libra? Try writing something interesting. Frustration (rebellious) - you want them catalogued by *when*? Calm contentment - oh dear, I can't get on the site. Barry