From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct  1 11:14:02 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:14:02 -0000
Subject: Browse & search screen layouts
Message-ID: <cjje5q+1k5g@eGroups.com>

Paul, Tim and I have arranged a YM chat about this for Sunday. If 
anyone has additional suggestions and ideas for us to consider, it 
would be useful if you could post them. 

Many thanks
Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 05:26:00 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 05:26:00 -0000
Subject: Yet more possible categories/killed 'em off
Message-ID: <cjo2h8+v7ki@eGroups.com>


First, let's get this category discussion out of the way:

Post #20607 was someone working out who all the beings might be. 
Besides having some we have in other categories (e.g. Muggles), he has
a few that we have nowhere at all: Hags, Merpeople, Dwarves (gave CoS
as a reference), Leprechauns and Banshees.  It doesn't seem as if we'd
get too many posts about these (unless there are more about Merpeople
than I remember), so would we just code for them directly into
"Beings" -- and are they actually all beings? [Note: I merely coded
this particular post into "Beings", not into the individual ones named.]

Similarly, Post # 20614 mentions Ernie MacMillan, and I couldn't find
him on our list.  I know I have a habit of not finding categories that
are there, but I swear I searched the Hogwarts students three times!

Killed 'em off: I've finished my batch.  May I please have some more?

Anne







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 09:16:47 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 09:16:47 -0000
Subject: Yet more possible categories/killed 'em off
In-Reply-To: <cjo2h8+v7ki@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjog1v+uans@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> First, let's get this category discussion out of the way:
> 
> Post #20607 was someone working out who all the beings might be. 
> Besides having some we have in other categories (e.g. Muggles), he 
has
> a few that we have nowhere at all: Hags, Merpeople, Dwarves (gave 
CoS
> as a reference), Leprechauns and Banshees.  It doesn't seem as if 
we'd
> get too many posts about these (unless there are more about 
Merpeople
> than I remember), so would we just code for them directly into
> "Beings" -- and are they actually all beings? [Note: I merely coded
> this particular post into "Beings", not into the individual ones 
named.]
> 
> Similarly, Post # 20614 mentions Ernie MacMillan, and I couldn't 
find
> him on our list.  I know I have a habit of not finding categories 
that
> are there, but I swear I searched the Hogwarts students three times!
> 
> Killed 'em off: I've finished my batch.  May I please have some 
more?
> 
> Anne

I've had some posts that are similar, and have done the same thing - 
where they talked about little-mentioned beings or beasties, I just 
put them under the main 'Beings' or 'Beasts' header codes, using 
FB&WTFT as reference for which category was appropriate.

I thought that if any individual one of them started to attract many 
posts/threads, we could go back and re-code the ones we had bundled 
away, and pull them out under a new sub-category.

On Ernie, I'll add him, as he does come up from time to time.

Here's some more posts: 22001-22250.

Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 15:11:21 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:11:21 -0000
Subject: Running Weasel
Message-ID: <cjp4qp+vaqa@eGroups.com>


I'm beginning to see references to that old "folktale" popping up (it
has a yellow rat in, too) -- the one which nobody could find any
references to, except in HP fandom.  Are we agreed that posts about
that being a basis for Ron's character go into 0.7
Mistakes/Perpetuating Mistakes?

Anne

P.S. For much later: under 1.6 Other Sources and Influences, we may
eventually need "fandom" (i.e. people believing JKR put certain things
in OoP in response to the fandom), and "politics" or "government" for
how the Ministry interfered at Hogwarts in OoP (unless we can just
stick all that under Umbridge's category).  <--- Just some idle
thoughts, really...







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 15:51:42 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 15:51:42 -0000
Subject: Running Weasels
In-Reply-To: <cjp4qp+vaqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjp76e+mcns@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I'm beginning to see references to that old "folktale" popping up 
(it
> has a yellow rat in, too) -- the one which nobody could find any
> references to, except in HP fandom.  Are we agreed that posts about
> that being a basis for Ron's character go into 0.7
> Mistakes/Perpetuating Mistakes?
> 

Um, do we know for definite it is a mistake? I thought that it was 
just another myth, neither definitely proved or disproved to be 
associated with HP, like much else? I'd tend to put it under Ron for 
the time being unless you are sure...


> 
> P.S. For much later: under 1.6 Other Sources and Influences, we may
> eventually need "fandom" (i.e. people believing JKR put certain 
things
> in OoP in response to the fandom), and "politics" or "government" 
for
> how the Ministry interfered at Hogwarts in OoP (unless we can just
> stick all that under Umbridge's category).  <--- Just some idle
> thoughts, really...

For now, I would tend to file such assertions under their relevant 
headings, plus tick 'reader response'. One arguable one might be the 
way she changed Dudders from being a fat pig in books 1-4, to being a 
boxing champ in OOP. I've coded about three hysterical threads 
moaning about how bad it is to describe kids as fat. It's an 
interesting moral point as to whether turning him into a more 
effective thumping machine is a better image for said kids. She may 
have got some grim satisfaction out of responding to her critics on 
that one, although in the UK, frankly it would be much more likely 
he'd become addicted to deep-fried Mars bars. 

Wonder if she is reading the current Snape thread on main....<g>

The government stuff I would tend to put in the MoM category in 
section 3, not under Umbridge when we get there, although we might 
need to create a sub-category specifically for educational decrees, 
discussion of educational policies etc







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 19:51:05 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 19:51:05 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 3rd October
Message-ID: <cjpl79+l5r6@eGroups.com>


PROGRESS

We have now coded/allocated for coding 30065 posts. Of the 30065, 
28398 have actually been done, and of those, 17575 have been 
rejected - 61.8%. 

This week we coded 1327 posts, with 8 people working on the catalogue.

Currently, we are up to post 22014 on the main list.

CATALOGUE CRIMES
Could you take a look at the reject status on:

21159 (Laurasia)
11053 (Kelly)

TECHNICAL STUFF
Paul, Tim & I had a YM chat today, the outcomes of which were:
- Some very preliminary search screens designs might be available by 
next Sunday 
- Ongoing discussion on both the cost and technical aspects of how 
the catalogue might eventually be hosted for use by members. 
- Rough timetable that we could get a version of the catalogue up and 
running by next April/May. I would like to aim for at least 50000 
posts by that point, hopefully a lot more.

MORE STATS TRIVIA

The Snape/Harry contest - the gap is closing ! No one else comes 
close.
Snape on 912 
Harry on 1014

..and what interests people most about the WW?

Hogwart's admission process/school population: 216
Marauder's map: 150
Relationship with the muggle world: 142
The house of Slytherin: 137
General properties & types of magic: 120
Animagi: 120
Magical ability: 116
Wands: 116
Hogwart's sorting process: 115
Class system, racism & bigotry: 100

NEW CATEGORIES
I sorted out the kids into their school houses, creating 4 sub-
categories, which means the character names don't stand out so well. 
If this is a problem, I could maybe amend it further..let me know. I 
also couldn't be bothered to change the code numbers of the 
individual characters, which is why they look a bit odd. The numbers 
won't appear in any final presentation to members.

2.4.1 (1116) Gryffindor
2.4.2 (1117) Slytherin

2.4.3 (1118) Ravenclaw
2.4.3.6 (1120) Padma Patil

2.4.4 (1119) Hufflepuff
2.4.4.34 (1114) Ernie Macmillan
2.4.4.35 (1115) Justin Finch-Fletchley 










From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Sun Oct  3 23:33:26 2004
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:33:26 -0000
Subject: Cabbage
Message-ID: <cjq286+ksfp@eGroups.com>


I just came across a thread discussing the many things described as
smelling of cabbage, and whether this is related to the presence of
magic of some sort.  Any suggestions of where to code this? 3.8.2
General properties & types of magic, maybe?

-Kelly

PS Carolyn, I corrected post 11053.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 12:56:09 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:56:09 -0000
Subject: Cabbage
In-Reply-To: <cjq286+ksfp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjrh99+c29v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kkearney at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> I just came across a thread discussing the many things described as
> smelling of cabbage, and whether this is related to the presence of
> magic of some sort.  Any suggestions of where to code this? 3.8.2
> General properties & types of magic, maybe?
> 


Well, I think Amanda had it right in 11241, that JKR just doesn't 
like the smell - or, alternatively has run out of adjectives. I'd 
have left it with Mrs Figg, I think, but why not add in 3.8.2, as you 
suggest, might give someone a laugh. 

Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 15:05:39 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:05:39 -0000
Subject: Running Weasels
In-Reply-To: <cjp76e+mcns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjros3+54ln@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm beginning to see references to that old "folktale" popping up 
> (it
> > has a yellow rat in, too) -- the one which nobody could find any
> > references to, except in HP fandom.  Are we agreed that posts about
> > that being a basis for Ron's character go into 0.7
> > Mistakes/Perpetuating Mistakes?
> > 
> 
> Um, do we know for definite it is a mistake? I thought that it was 
> just another myth, neither definitely proved or disproved to be 
> associated with HP, like much else? I'd tend to put it under Ron for 
> the time being unless you are sure...
> 

Anne again:
Well, I'm personally confident it's a bogus story.  I do remember an
effort on the main list (but not how many months ago it was) to nail
down the legend outside of fandom, which was unsuccessful. Now,
whether that's good enough for the catalogue...

Here's what the Lexicon says; a comment at the bottom of the page for
Hagrid:

http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/hagrid.html
*************************************************************
NOTES ON THE NAME:

Regardless of what you may have read online, the name "Hagrid" does
not come from Greek mythology. There is a persistent rumor floating
around to that effect, but it is false. Milz, in response to a
question about this rumor on HPfGU, writes:

    I read that on several HP sites. Like you I thought I was missing
something in spite of having read numerous Greek mythology books
(Hamilton, Bullfinch, etc.) as a child. I even looked it up in a
"who's who" book of mythological characters. The result: nothing. 

    I assume this is "hagrid" name information is make believe.

    [skip incidence of word "hagrid" in Hardy's _Mayor of Casterbridge_]

    Between Thomas Hardy and these HP websites, I'd believe Hardy.;-)

I have also researched this rumor and found nothing whatsoever, except
a lot of Harry Potter sites who have reprinted the same exact tale
without question. It's simply not true, any more than the oft-quoted
but equally false tale of "Running Weasel."

Here's a transcript of the false story:

    Hagrid - Name and tale comes from greek myth. The ancient Hagrid
from the myth was the god of Jewels. This god was said to be the
kindest of the gods, but Hades framed him for the death of Piraeus's
(the killer of Medusa) son. Hagrid was banished from Olympus but Zues
allowed him to stay as the watcher of the animals.
******************************************************************


Anne again:
And I found a site with three bogus etymologies together, which
contains the Hagrid quote on the Lexicon, and may have been the origin
of the rumors:

http://www.harrypotterrealm.com/mn_history_legends.htm
******************************************************************
Submitted by Riley:

Voldemort-
< >Voldemort is derived from the little well known evil wizard named
Voldermortist, in another language, Voldermortist means "Lord of Evil"
or in the simple form of Voldemort means "Dark Lord". The legend is
that Voldermortist once tried to destroy Merlin before the time of
King Arthur, by bewitching good people, and simply bribing those who
already were evil.
< >Legend has it that Merlin destroyed Voldermortist by using a simple
paralyzing charm (full body bind in the case of Harry Potter), fed him
to the many headed beast (translated as Fluffy, in the book) of the
lake, the Lady of the Lake's pet, freed the bewitched people, and
destroyed the evil men. That was maybe twelve, thirteen years before
Arthur.

Rubeus Hagrid-
< >One of the early Greek gods was the giant of jewels, or in Greek,
Hagrid Rubeus, with Hagrid meaning giant and Ruebus meaning rubul, or
jewel. This god was said to be the kindest of the gods, but Hades
framed him for the death of Perseus's - the killer of Medusa - son. He
was therfore banned from Olympus, but Zues took pity on the poor giant
and gave him a job as the keeper of any godly beasts on Olympus.

Ronald Weasley-
< >Ron Weasley, in another language, is called "Running Weasel."
Running Weasel was a warlord in the 6th Dynasty. He was a brilliant
statigist, and he never lost a game of chess.
< >Unfortunately, he died when a rat that had been dyed yellow by his
soldiers for fun earlier that day, knocked over a lamp in his palace,
burning it to the ground, and killing Running Weasel. -- Told to us
August of 1999. 
******************************************************************

Anne again:
As you can see, these three entries were credited to one person; there
are legitimate entries above them on the page.  The page is copyright
1999-2002, for what it's worth.  It seems to be the one Milz found and
the Lexicon refers to (I refuse to type "references" as a verb)

I'm convinced it's baloney, but I'll code away however you like.

Anne

P.S. Sorry about the length, but the research was fun and I found it
interesting.  It's fun delving into the past (as we do here, of
course) -- I found the origin of the Icicle rumor that way.  :D







From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 15:34:17 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:34:17 -0000
Subject: Running Weasels
In-Reply-To: <cjros3+54ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjrqhp+565t@eGroups.com>


Sorry -- obviously the two "Hagrid = god of jewels" *quotes* aren't
the same, just the gists of the stories...

A







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 17:58:04 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:58:04 -0000
Subject: Running Weasels/it's rubbish: official
In-Reply-To: <cjros3+54ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjs2vc+pc2v@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> Well, I'm personally confident it's a bogus story.  
(big snip of evidence!)

Carolyn: 
I'm inclined to agree. I dug about on dozens of websites, and found 
this comment on:

http://www.cosforums.com/archive/index.php/t-3887.html

December 27th, 2002, 5:51 am
Originally posted by joelaughing 
Im pretty sure that running weasel thing is a hoax. Somewhere on 
these boards someone said that they researched it and nothing came up 
except in HP sites or something. (...) I did. I'm positive it's a 
hoax, I used about five search engines and a couple of 
encyclopaedias. Not a bean. Except for the Harry Potter websites that 
hold this 'fact', I mean. Surely somebody with all these facts around 
him would be floating about somewhere?

(Carolyn again):

I also found a long discussion about the rumour on Sugarquill:

http://www.sugarquill.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t245.html

Generally, they do not believe it, and make reference to something on 
fictionalley which definitively debunked it. However, I can't find 
that discussion on FA. The only thing they found on Sugarquill was:

'There was one page about some American Indians and a guy named 
Running Weasel. But absolutely nothing about any yellow rat legend.'

So, it sounds as though it's rubbish. Lets put it under 
mistakes/perpetrating mistakes unless we come across a post with 
better evidence to disprove it. But if you find a really well 
researched post that pins down the hoax, that might be worth keeping, 
for the record.

Phew. What LOONS we are, given half a chance.

Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 18:52:54 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:52:54 -0000
Subject: Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
Message-ID: <cjs666+a8s1@eGroups.com>


With the clarification that JKR put up on her website tonight, we 
should now be much more ruthless about speculation about the Weasley 
ages. For the record, working out from Ron's known birthday, they are 
now definitively:

Bill (born 1971) - two years older than Charlie
Charlie (born 1973) - three years older than Percy
Percy (born 22 Aug 1976) - two years older than Fred & George
Fred & George (born April 1978) - two years older than Ron
Ron (1st March 1980)
Ginny (born 11 Aug 1979) - one year younger than Ron

However, no reason yet to exclude speculation about another Weasley 
child - still not denied, though I suppose more and more unlikely.

I might go through the Weasley age controversy category and reject 
some posts that are already there as mistakes, based on this new info 
if no one minds.

Carolyn
Getting more and more irritated that JKR is spoiling our fun. I 
thought she said *way* too much about Sirius and Snape, for instance.






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Mon Oct  4 19:27:51 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:27:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
In-Reply-To: <cjs666+a8s1@eGroups.com>
References: <cjs666+a8s1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c89e39d5041004122720dd39d6@mail.gmail.com>

Would you post a link to where she puts new items.  I really do not
like her site because I don't know what is new or what has new text. 
Honestly, I'd give her site a 'D' (60%-70% out of 100%).


----- Original Message -----
From: carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:52:54 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
To: hpfgu-catalogue at yahoogroups.com


With the clarification that JKR put up on her website tonight, we 
should now be much more ruthless about speculation about the Weasley 
ages. For the record, working out from Ron's known birthday, they are 
now definitively:

Bill (born 1971) - two years older than Charlie
Charlie (born 1973) - three years older than Percy
Percy (born 22 Aug 1976) - two years older than Fred & George
Fred & George (born April 1978) - two years older than Ron
Ron (1st March 1980)
Ginny (born 11 Aug 1979) - one year younger than Ron

However, no reason yet to exclude speculation about another Weasley 
child - still not denied, though I suppose more and more unlikely.

I might go through the Weasley age controversy category and reject 
some posts that are already there as mistakes, based on this new info 
if no one minds.

Carolyn
Getting more and more irritated that JKR is spoiling our fun. I 
thought she said *way* too much about Sirius and Snape, for instance.





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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct  4 20:08:33 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:08:33 -0000
Subject: JKR site/new stuff
In-Reply-To: <c89e39d5041004122720dd39d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cjsak1+dm1n@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Paul Kippes <paul-
groups at w...> wrote:
> Would you post a link to where she puts new items.  I really do not
> like her site because I don't know what is new or what has new 
text. 
> Honestly, I'd give her site a 'D' (60%-70% out of 100%).
> 

Sure, here is the link I am using:

http://www.jkrowling.co.uk/en/index.cfm

but I believe most of you in the US use the .com site.

To find her new stuff, click the paperclips near the coffee cup, and 
you get to her FAQ section. The new information tonight is accessed 
by clicking on the envelope called 'About the Books', and clicking on 
the tabs which stick out from under the book.

It's all a bit tiresome, I agree, and often when she updates I have 
to wait a day or two before all the content appears on the UK site 
(eg the marble and the watch etc last month).

There is also a text only site, but I don't know the URL off-hand.

Going to www.potterkeys.com saves a lot of hassle, and I always use 
it whenever anything looks time-consuming. 

Hope this helps.

Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  4 21:18:01 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 21:18:01 -0000
Subject: JKR site/new stuff
In-Reply-To: <cjsak1+dm1n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjsem9+r7f7@eGroups.com>


Carolyn, maybe this will help:

When you go to jkr.com or.co.uk or whatever you like, instead of
clicking on the flag, click the link at the top which says (in small
print, I grant you) "text only site."

I see your email addy is an aol one. If you use aol to access the
site, it takes you days to get the new content because aol is giving
you pages from their cache, which are old.  If you hear there's new
content, use IE or something.

As for the actual content of her site, I have absolutely no help at
all.  Sorry.

Anne
~glad you agree about Running Weasel, so I don't have to code those up


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Paul Kippes <paul-
> groups at w...> wrote:
> > Would you post a link to where she puts new items.  I really do not
> > like her site because I don't know what is new or what has new 
> text. 
> > Honestly, I'd give her site a 'D' (60%-70% out of 100%).
> > 
> 
> Sure, here is the link I am using:
> 
> http://www.jkrowling.co.uk/en/index.cfm
> 
> but I believe most of you in the US use the .com site.
> 
> To find her new stuff, click the paperclips near the coffee cup, and 
> you get to her FAQ section. The new information tonight is accessed 
> by clicking on the envelope called 'About the Books', and clicking on 
> the tabs which stick out from under the book.
> 
> It's all a bit tiresome, I agree, and often when she updates I have 
> to wait a day or two before all the content appears on the UK site 
> (eg the marble and the watch etc last month).
> 
> There is also a text only site, but I don't know the URL off-hand.
> 
> Going to www.potterkeys.com saves a lot of hassle, and I always use 
> it whenever anything looks time-consuming. 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Carolyn






From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Mon Oct  4 23:46:33 2004
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 23:46:33 -0000
Subject: Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
In-Reply-To: <cjs666+a8s1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cjsncp+g2hv@eGroups.com>


Carolyn wrote:

> I might go through the Weasley age controversy category and reject 
> some posts that are already there as mistakes, based on this new info 
> if no one minds.

I mind.  :)  I don't think we should reject anything that wasn't a
blatant mistake at the time the post was written.  After all, the
majority of the plot theories proposed on the list have been or will
be eventually proven wrong.  But they're what make this group what it
is (for me, at least; I love theories like MAGIC DISHWASHER and the
many ESEs not because I think they are accurate, but because they are
intelligent and entertaining to read).

Regarding the Weasley age debate, I think it's fun to read the various
theories developed to explain the little discrepancies.  Even after
the interview where she "clarified" the ages, I had fun discussing
with a friend why JKR was "wrong".

Anyway, to sum up, I think that people will be interested in reading
all the theories presented on the list, regardless of their accuracy,
and therefore all should be included in the catalogue.

Mistakes due to misreading, forgetting a passage from the books, etc.
should, of course, be rejected.

-Kelly






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Oct  5 03:01:38 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:01:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
References: <cjs666+a8s1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005701c4aa87$a2378170$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Hi all,

Carolyn wrote:


<<I might go through the Weasley age controversy category and reject 
some posts that are already there as mistakes, based on this new info 
if no one minds.>>

Can I make a plea not to reject these?  They were not mistakes when written; canon was inconsistent.  I'd want to preserve some of these arguments, even if JKR does claim that they're wrong.  A history of the fandom wouldn't be complete otherwise.  Besides, at the rate JKR is going, she'd soon make the cataloguing project obsolete if we took that approach. <g>

For what it's worth, I don't think her website qualifies as canon.  To me the Weasley age controversy isn't resolved unless and until she fixes the books.

Debbie
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Oct  5 08:40:53 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 08:40:53 -0000
Subject: Weasley ages/most speculation also now rubbish
In-Reply-To: <005701c4aa87$a2378170$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <cjtmml+926s@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb" <elfundeb at c...> 
wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, I don't think her website qualifies as canon.  
To me the Weasley age controversy isn't resolved unless and until she 
fixes the books.
> 
> Debbie


Ok, ok! I'll leave the category as it is...

Wish I could agree with you about her website, Debbie. It depresses 
me more and more the way she is using it to end speculation and 
clarify what she is intending with the books. 

Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct  6 21:24:20 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:24:20 -0000
Subject: Pettigrew - Let's Chat About the Rat
Message-ID: <ck1nq4+rqhb@eGroups.com>


FYI I have a copy of the Convention Alley proceedings which contains 
50 pages of the most convincing analysis I have ever seen on the 
Pettigrew plotline, certainly nothing to touch it on HPfGU. It's 
sending me right back to every Lily, Sirius, James and Dumbledore 
theory that's been put up, for a total re-think.

Not sure how to share it - it's a paper copy, and Phyllis will no 
doubt kill me if I scan it.

Carolyn






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Wed Oct  6 21:41:46 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:41:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Pettigrew - Let's Chat About the Rat
In-Reply-To: <ck1nq4+rqhb@eGroups.com>
References: <ck1nq4+rqhb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c89e39d504100614415975a9cb@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps the author has it posted someplace to show off the work?


On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:24:20 -0000, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI I have a copy of the Convention Alley proceedings which contains 
> 50 pages of the most convincing analysis I have ever seen on the 
> Pettigrew plotline, certainly nothing to touch it on HPfGU. It's 
> sending me right back to every Lily, Sirius, James and Dumbledore 
> theory that's been put up, for a total re-think.
> 
> Not sure how to share it - it's a paper copy, and Phyllis will no 
> doubt kill me if I scan it.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> 
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Oct  7 08:41:57 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:41:57 -0000
Subject: Great rant Debbie! (was most speculation also now rubbish)
In-Reply-To: <cjtmml+926s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck2vgl+kkto@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb" <elfundeb at c...> 
> wrote:
> > 
For what it's worth, I don't think her website qualifies as canon.  
> To me the Weasley age controversy isn't resolved unless and until 
she fixes the books.
> > 
> > Debbie
> 
> 
> Wish I could agree with you about her website, Debbie. It depresses 
> me more and more the way she is using it to end speculation and 
> clarify what she is intending with the books. 
> 
> Carolyn


I just saw your post this morning on the site Debbie - quite cheered 
me up! JKR has struck me as losing her nerve ever since GOF, quite 
understandable I suppose..but really she should leave us to it until 
its all over, then by all means engage if she feels like it.

Carolyn






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  7 16:54:22 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:54:22 -0000
Subject: Yet more possible categories/killed 'em off
In-Reply-To: <cjo2h8+v7ki@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3sbu+4qrm@eGroups.com>


Anne wrote:

> First, let's get this category discussion out of the way:
> 
> Post #20607 was someone working out who all the beings might be. 

"Someone" - *snort!*  That was me!

David, who finds JKR's inability to say anything on her website 
without having to retract a day later it rather endearing






From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Thu Oct  7 17:15:13 2004
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (davewitley)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:15:13 -0000
Subject: Forgot to say...
In-Reply-To: <ck3sbu+4qrm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck3tj1+gs52@eGroups.com>


I'm temporarily computerless - nasty incident involving a cup of tea 
and the hard drive of my laptop - so will be even less in evidence 
than recently for a while.

David, off home to an evening reading books and other antiquated 
pursuits






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  7 22:50:19 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:50:19 -0000
Subject: Yet more possible categories/killed 'em off
In-Reply-To: <ck3sbu+4qrm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4h7b+btsu@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "davewitley"
<dfrankiswork at n...> wrote:
> 
> Anne wrote:
> 
> > First, let's get this category discussion out of the way:
> > 
> > Post #20607 was someone working out who all the beings might be. 
> 
> "Someone" - *snort!*  That was me!
> 
> David, who finds JKR's inability to say anything on her website 
> without having to retract a day later it rather endearing

I suppose I ought to have had you listed under "beings" then! :D 
Sorry, just jotted down the post number & notes, and wrote that post
later...

Anne
**muttering:...prima donnas...coding as fast as I can...have to
remember all their NAMES now...**






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Fri Oct  8 00:54:25 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb2)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:54:25 -0000
Subject: Great rant Debbie! (was most speculation also now rubbish)
In-Reply-To: <ck2vgl+kkto@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ck4og1+1o8f@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:

> I just saw your post this morning on the site Debbie - quite 
cheered 
> me up! JKR has struck me as losing her nerve ever since GOF, quite 
> understandable I suppose..but really she should leave us to it 
until 
> its all over, then by all means engage if she feels like it.

Glad you enjoyed it!  I am very much hoping that HBP will be a 
crisper book than I found OOP to be.  Too many trees in the forest, 
but not always the right ones.

Unfortunately, however, I used cataloguing time to write the rant, 
and while the writing was cathartic, it definitely jeopardized my 
goal of finishing the current batch this week. :-(  And the 
houseguests will be here any minute.

Debbie
who *should* find JKR's website errors amusing






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 10 14:12:08 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:12:08 -0000
Subject: UPDATE Sunday 10th October
Message-ID: <ckbfvo+tqnv@eGroups.com>


PROGRESS
We have now coded/allocated for coding 31315 posts. Of the 31315, we 
have actually coded 29402, and rejected 18077 of these (61.4%).

This week we have coded 1004 posts, with 7 people working on the 
catalogue, and we have reached post 23000 on the main list.

ERRORS
Could you sort out the reject status on:

20849, 20910 (Debbie)
11053 (Kelly)

..and in case you are wondering if I ever figure on this list, I just 
discovered I coded 7 posts to the final chapter in OOP, at a point 
where not even GOF was published. Interesting train of thought..

GROUP MEMBERS
Dan's decided to leave the group, due to RL committments preventing 
him giving much time to our project. However, I am pleased to welcome 
Jo (Serenadust) from the FP/FAQ group, who is interested in helping 
and, um, finishing her own FAQ project by using our categories to 
find relevant posts...knew we'd be useful to someone in the end.

TECH STUFF
Tim has sketched out the beginnings of a screen design for searching 
the catalogue, which I have uploaded to our files section - it's a 
GIF file, hope you can all open it.

The idea is you drill across the screen from left to right, pulling 
up ever-more specific posts in the lower half of the screen.

This is just a sketch, no programming done at all, and plenty of 
refinements needed, including the requirement to search on multiple 
categories. Please feel free to comment. 

CATEGORY CHANGES
I re-fixed the Hogwart's pupils categories so that the individual 
character names are again picked out in blue. It was driving me mad 
not being able to pick them out.

Shortly, I will upload a new version of the definitions file to 
reflect all these changes.








From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 10 17:10:45 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:10:45 -0000
Subject: Appeal of Harry Potter
Message-ID: <ckbqel+85ku@eGroups.com>


I have just encountered a long thread about 'What is the appeal of 
Harry Potter' (23538). I'm coding it variously to:

1.3.1.2 Reader response & subversive readings
1.3.2 Narrative style
4.1.1 What genre
4.1.2 Adults' or childrens' books

Do people agree?

Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 11 00:03:47 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:03:47 -0000
Subject: Appeal of Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <ckbqel+85ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckcil3+r3ln@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> I have just encountered a long thread about 'What is the appeal of 
> Harry Potter' (23538). I'm coding it variously to:
> 
> 1.3.1.2 Reader response & subversive readings
> 1.3.2 Narrative style
> 4.1.1 What genre
> 4.1.2 Adults' or childrens' books
> 
> Do people agree?
> 
> Carolyn

Sounds good to me.

I've been slogging through "who's going to be prefect?" posts -- as
much fun as they were before OoP came out, they're that tedious to
code up now -- and I'm finding it hard sometimes to decide if some of
them are "with" or "without" canon predictions...

Not to mention, it's like playing hide-and-seek, trying to code to
characters while Carolyn is moving them around!

Anne

P.S. I have a new poster to add to my list of favorites on the main
list -- it's Dungrollin.  She might be good on the project someday,
too, if she had the time...






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct 11 07:57:14 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:57:14 -0000
Subject: Shifty characters
In-Reply-To: <ckcil3+r3ln@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckdecq+elme@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 

> 
> Not to mention, it's like playing hide-and-seek, trying to code to
> characters while Carolyn is moving them around!
> 
> Anne
> 
> P.S. I have a new poster to add to my list of favorites on the main
> list -- it's Dungrollin.  She might be good on the project someday,
> too, if she had the time...

Ah...sorry about that, I did wonder if anyone was online when I was 
doing it! Hope it made more sense when I'd finished..

Yes, dungrollin is fun isn't she..another Brit possibly, judging by 
frequent references to pubs. Bit overkeen on that Kneasy's stuff 
though..can't have that, can we? 

Carolyn






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Oct 11 08:33:40 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:33:40 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Shifty characters
In-Reply-To: <ckdecq+elme@eGroups.com>
References: <ckdecq+elme@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <40DF55F4-1B60-11D9-8889-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


On 11 Oct 2004, at 08:57, carolynwhite2 wrote:

>
>  --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>
>  >
>  > Not to mention, it's like playing hide-and-seek, trying to code to
>  > characters while Carolyn is moving them around!
>  >
>  > Anne
>  >
>  > P.S. I have a new poster to add to my list of favorites on the main
>  > list -- it's Dungrollin.? She might be good on the project someday,
>  > too, if she had the time...
>
>  Ah...sorry about that, I did wonder if anyone was online when I was
>  doing it! Hope it made more sense when I'd finished..
>
>  Yes, dungrollin is fun isn't she..another Brit possibly, judging by
>  frequent references to pubs. Bit overkeen on that Kneasy's stuff
>  though..can't have that, can we?
>
>  Carolyn
>


Obviously a person of great taste and discrimination.
Would that there were more.

What amazes me is the success she has digging into the old posts with 
Yahoo!Mort and finding what she's looking for.
Could be dangerous - there's some old posts of mine that I don't want 
*anybody* to find.

Barry
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct 11 09:08:51 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:08:51 -0000
Subject: Shifty characters
In-Reply-To: <40DF55F4-1B60-11D9-8889-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <ckdij3+jr7r@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> On 11 Oct 2004, at 08:57, carolynwhite2 wrote:
> 
> >
> >  --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" 
<annemehr at y...>
> >  wrote:
> >  >
> >
> >  >
> >  > Not to mention, it's like playing hide-and-seek, trying to 
code to
> >  > characters while Carolyn is moving them around!
> >  >
> >  > Anne
> >  >
> >  > P.S. I have a new poster to add to my list of favorites on the 
main
> >  > list -- it's Dungrollin.? She might be good on the project 
someday,
> >  > too, if she had the time...
> >
> >  Ah...sorry about that, I did wonder if anyone was online when I 
was
> >  doing it! Hope it made more sense when I'd finished..
> >
> >  Yes, dungrollin is fun isn't she..another Brit possibly, judging 
by
> >  frequent references to pubs. Bit overkeen on that Kneasy's stuff
> >  though..can't have that, can we?
> >
> >  Carolyn
> >
> 
> 
> Obviously a person of great taste and discrimination.
> Would that there were more.
> 
> What amazes me is the success she has digging into the old posts 
with 
> Yahoo!Mort and finding what she's looking for.
> Could be dangerous - there's some old posts of mine that I don't 
want 
> *anybody* to find.
> 
> Barry

Excellent. Looking forward to finding the bodies..

'...you won't tease him, will you?' [Ginny] added anxiously.
'Wouldn't dream of it,' said Fred, who was looking as if his birthday 
had come early.
'Definitely not,' said George, sniggering.

Carolyn
Nervously hoping to hit the 'mistakes/perpetrating mistakes' button 
on her own old stuff before anyone else sees it.






From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com  Tue Oct 12 21:15:40 2004
From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA})
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:15:40 -0500
Subject: Amusing April Fool's Joke
Message-ID: <2D7CA07E071FDE43A5A8EB8D8BBC0183040EED@pbswmu00024.corp.pep.pvt>

Just coded John Walton's April Fool's Joke of 2001 in which he stated that
AOL-TimeWarner had sued Yahoo! to shut down its HP-related Groups, and that
HPfGU would be closed in 24 hours. Very funny, especially the ensuing
threads on possible new sites, legal action and general exasperation.

See his post #15691. Coded it and all subsequent chatter to Reject-OT. Also
coded his initial joke post to Just for a Laugh.

Enjoy! (and Carolyn, I'm ready for my next batch)

Boyd



From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 01:52:44 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:52:44 -0000
Subject: Amusing April Fool's Joke
In-Reply-To: <2D7CA07E071FDE43A5A8EB8D8BBC0183040EED@pbswmu00024.corp.pep.pvt>
Message-ID: <cki1pd+m94l@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}"
<boyd.t.smythe at f...> wrote:
> Just coded John Walton's April Fool's Joke of 2001 in which he
stated that
> AOL-TimeWarner had sued Yahoo! to shut down its HP-related Groups,
and that
> HPfGU would be closed in 24 hours. Very funny, especially the ensuing
> threads on possible new sites, legal action and general exasperation.
> 
> See his post #15691. Coded it and all subsequent chatter to
Reject-OT. Also
> coded his initial joke post to Just for a Laugh.
> 
> Enjoy! (and Carolyn, I'm ready for my next batch)
> 
> Boyd

Ah, the infamous April Fool post! Good, now I'll finally get the
chance to read it after having heard the legend.

I don't know, though, about coding it OT -- seems like it ought to
have a topic of its own, like... "Subversive Writings," maybe?  :D
Then later we can use the category for all the "Kneasy" posts...

Anne







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 13 08:08:48 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:08:48 -0000
Subject: Amusing April Fool's Joke
In-Reply-To: <cki1pd+m94l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckinqg+4on2@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}"
> <boyd.t.smythe at f...> wrote:
> > Just coded John Walton's April Fool's Joke of 2001 in which he
> stated that
> > AOL-TimeWarner had sued Yahoo! to shut down its HP-related Groups,
> and that
> > HPfGU would be closed in 24 hours. Very funny, especially the 
ensuing
> > threads on possible new sites, legal action and general 
exasperation.
> > 
> > See his post #15691. Coded it and all subsequent chatter to
> Reject-OT. Also
> > coded his initial joke post to Just for a Laugh.
> > 
> > Enjoy! (and Carolyn, I'm ready for my next batch)
> > 
> > Boyd
> 
> Ah, the infamous April Fool post! Good, now I'll finally get the
> chance to read it after having heard the legend.
> 
> I don't know, though, about coding it OT -- seems like it ought to
> have a topic of its own, like... "Subversive Writings," maybe?  :D
> Then later we can use the category for all the "Kneasy" posts...
> 
> Anne


It's a great post - and we won't lose it if it gets coded to 'Just 
for a laugh' (plus, perhaps selected replies from the thread). Of all 
the reject categories, though, I must admit that OT is the section 
that I might be most inclined to sort out and code up at a later 
date, should we ever have time..

Hm. You think Kneasy subversive? Beginning to wonder.

Boyd - you want to take 23751-24000? Watch out for the theory 
acronyms that are starting to come in now.

Carolyn






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Wed Oct 13 10:37:21 2004
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 06:37:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Amusing April Fool's Joke
References: <ckinqg+4on2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c4b110$9f3796b0$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>


> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}"
> <boyd.t.smythe at f...> wrote:
> > Just coded John Walton's April Fool's Joke of 2001 in which he
> stated that
> > AOL-TimeWarner had sued Yahoo! to shut down its HP-related Groups,
> and that
> > HPfGU would be closed in 24 hours. Very funny, especially the 
ensuing
> > threads on possible new sites, legal action and general 
exasperation.
> > 
> > See his post #15691. Coded it and all subsequent chatter to
> Reject-OT. Also
> > coded his initial joke post to Just for a Laugh.

Have I been doing it wrong?  I haven't given the "Just for a Laugh" posts any other codes unless they were part of substantive posts.  Do I need to go back and fix this (for example, Joywitch's Want Ads)?

I'm also done with my latest batch and need some more, which I hope will not contain any shipping posts.

Debbie
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 13 10:54:26 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:54:26 -0000
Subject: Coding up jokes..
In-Reply-To: <002d01c4b110$9f3796b0$1502a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <ckj1h2+5gdr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "elfundeb" <elfundeb at c...> 
wrote:

> > > 
> > > See his post #15691. Coded it and all subsequent chatter to
> > Reject-OT. Also
> > > coded his initial joke post to Just for a Laugh.
> 
> Have I been doing it wrong?  I haven't given the "Just for a Laugh" 
posts any other codes unless they were part of substantive posts.  Do 
I need to go back and fix this (for example, Joywitch's Want Ads)?
> 
> I'm also done with my latest batch and need some more, which I hope 
will not contain any shipping posts.
> 
> Debbie

Well, 'just for a laugh' is a purely subjective category, but it is a 
handy one if something is otherwise OT, but made you giggle and you'd 
like to share, nonetheless. Very necessary, I find, if you come 
across a funny post after acres of shipping...

Personally, I'd certainly click it for all of Joywitch's Want Ads, 
and other Daily Prophet contributions!

Here's some more: 24001-24250

Carolyn










From annemehr at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 12:45:51 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:45:51 -0000
Subject: Amusing April Fool's Joke
In-Reply-To: <ckinqg+4on2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckj81v+r26c@eGroups.com>


Carolyn: 
> It's a great post - and we won't lose it if it gets coded to 'Just 
> for a laugh'

Er, you didn't take me seriously, did you (hard to tell...)?

> 
> Hm. You think Kneasy subversive? Beginning to wonder.

I have every confidence in him!

Anne,
who really *hates* coding up chapter summaries...*mutter*...*grump*







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 13 13:38:49 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:38:49 -0000
Subject: grump..
In-Reply-To: <ckj81v+r26c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckjb59+fpdn@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Carolyn: 
> > It's a great post - and we won't lose it if it gets coded 
to 'Just 
> > for a laugh'
> 
> Er, you didn't take me seriously, did you (hard to tell...)?
> 
> > 
> > Hm. You think Kneasy subversive? Beginning to wonder.
> 
> I have every confidence in him!
> 
> Anne,
> who really *hates* coding up chapter summaries...*mutter*...*grump*

Huh..you can grump..this am, I have had to:
(a) have car fixed after it died in irritating circumstances on 
Monday before a big conference I ran yesterday
(b) have delicate conversation with VAT inspector
(c) juggle about 5 office deliveries
(d) deal with fall out from one delegate who turned up unannounced 
and expected red carpet treatment
(e) re-home a frog (alive) brought in by cat
(f) try to sound interested in my co-director's latest business plan
(g) send a book to press
(h) make soothing noises to a neighbour about her latest crisis
(i) fix haircut; one look in the mirror was enough.

...possibly I was a little distracted when I saw your post!

..rant, stomp etc..going off to pour gin into tea cup in the best 
English tradition.

Kneasy's next better be good. Large helping of black satire urgently 
required.

Carolyn







From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 13 14:28:51 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:28:51 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: grump..
In-Reply-To: <ckjb59+fpdn@eGroups.com>
References: <ckjb59+fpdn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <344BDBE0-1D24-11D9-AAD9-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


On 13 Oct 2004, at 14:38, carolynwhite2 wrote:

>
>  --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Carolyn:
>  > > It's a great post - and we won't lose it if it gets coded
>  to 'Just
>  > > for a laugh'
>  >
>  > Er, you didn't take me seriously, did you (hard to tell...)?
>  >
>  > >
>  > > Hm. You think Kneasy subversive? Beginning to wonder.
>  >
>  > I have every confidence in him!
>  >
>  > Anne,
>  > who really *hates* coding up chapter summaries...*mutter*...*grump*
>
>  Huh..you can grump..this am, I have had to:
>  (a) have car fixed after it died in irritating circumstances on
>  Monday before a big conference I ran yesterday
>  (b) have delicate conversation with VAT inspector
>  (c) juggle about 5 office deliveries
>  (d) deal with fall out from one delegate who turned up unannounced
>  and expected red carpet treatment
>  (e) re-home a frog (alive) brought in by cat
>  (f) try to sound interested in my co-director's latest business plan
>  (g) send a book to press
>  (h) make soothing noises to a neighbour about her latest crisis
>  (i) fix haircut; one look in the mirror was enough.
>
>  ..possibly I was a little distracted when I saw your post!
>
>  .rant, stomp etc..going off to pour gin into tea cup in the best
>  English tradition.
>
>  Kneasy's next better be good. Large helping of black satire urgently
>  required.
>
>  Carolyn
>

Huh.
Well, if that's all the thanks I get for bashing my brains to the bone 
to churn out non-repetitive posts on a regular basis, then
it'd serve you right if I jacked it in. It's bloody hard work. You try 
it sometime.

Right. You're all on a warning. Unless (when we get to them) a 
substantial number of my posts get FP  coding I'll  start to write some 
more with a slightly different cast of characters -  and they'll be 
much closer to home. It won't be pretty, but revenge will be sweet. 
Let's see....

TBAY
The ancient and ragged crones, long steeped in evil (being addicted to 
SHIPs and Carol67's limited logic) shuffled unsteadily out of The 
George reeking of gin and fetid corn plasters.....

You have been warned.

Barry
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From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Thu Oct 14 03:35:19 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 03:35:19 -0000
Subject: Strange & Norrell
In-Reply-To: <cj8kn3+mtt0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckks5n+jo3v@eGroups.com>


Yeah!  Those 18 people were fast readers!


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Paul Kippes <paul-
> groups at w...> wrote:
> > I'm waiting to get it from my library.  I passed on one of my
> > libraries with 81 people waiting.  But at another library (with
> > several copies on order), I'm 18th.
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at a...>
> > 
> > Is anyone reading Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell? Do you reckon 
it 
> > lives up to the hype??
> > 
> > Carolyn
> 
> 
> You could have a long wait, it's 800 pages and a small typeface! 
> Also, it's sure to feature on your US banned books list shortly, 
as 
> the first bit of magic Mr Norrell does is to bring someone back 
from 
> the dead. Don't know what to make of it yet..a lot of spoof 
scholarly 
> footnotes and English history jokes so far.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 15 18:32:12 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:32:12 -0000
Subject: The Perils of Cataloguing
Message-ID: <ckp53c+sa1k@eGroups.com>


...see Potioncat's TBAY: The Rolling Canon (or Cannon)...

Never mind, Kathy, just have a nice lie down somewhere...

Carolyn
giggling madly..






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 02:16:44 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:16:44 -0000
Subject: The Perils of Cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <ckp53c+sa1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckq0ac+10e6n@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> ...see Potioncat's TBAY: The Rolling Canon (or Cannon)...
> 
Nah, it's definitely Rolling Cannon -- except if you look closely it's
actually Rowling Canon...

Personally, I'd just code it under Reader Response and Subversive
Readings, and FP, and be done!

Anne








From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 16 14:59:07 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:59:07 -0000
Subject: Timed out
Message-ID: <ckrcvr+d4n6@eGroups.com>


Can't seem to log in (nearly 11:00 Eastern).  If it's just me, can we
fix that?  If it's at Paul's end, then I'll try again later...

Anne
who was hoping to finish a batch, or nearly







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 16 15:44:48 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:44:48 -0000
Subject: Timed out
In-Reply-To: <ckrcvr+d4n6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckrflg+tvqr@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Can't seem to log in (nearly 11:00 Eastern).  If it's just me, can 
we
> fix that?  If it's at Paul's end, then I'll try again later...
> 
> Anne
> who was hoping to finish a batch, or nearly


ack...nor me, Paul must be up to something..I'll try and contact him 
by YM.

Carolyn






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Sat Oct 16 17:08:57 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (kippesp)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:08:57 -0000
Subject: Timed out
In-Reply-To: <ckrflg+tvqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckrkj9+d35g@eGroups.com>


AC was being fixed.  They're done now.

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Can't seem to log in (nearly 11:00 Eastern).  If it's just me, 
can 
> we
> > fix that?  If it's at Paul's end, then I'll try again later...
> > 
> > Anne
> > who was hoping to finish a batch, or nearly
> 
> 
> ack...nor me, Paul must be up to something..I'll try and contact 
him 
> by YM.
> 
> Carolyn






From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Sun Oct 17 20:42:59 2004
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:42:59 -0000
Subject: New set please
Message-ID: <ckulgj+2j6d@eGroups.com>


Carolyn,

I *finally* finshed my set, and am ready for the next.  Probably
should make it small, since the next two weeks will be busy.  

Also, I have tentative travel dates for next year: April-May.  I'll
have internet access this time, but probably won't be able to sit
online for any extended amount of time.  So I'd like to do the same as
last time, although you might not have to send as many updates. 

-Kelly






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 17 21:19:20 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:19:20 -0000
Subject: New set please
In-Reply-To: <ckulgj+2j6d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ckunko+ud2q@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kkearney at s...> 
wrote:
> 
> Carolyn,
> 
> I *finally* finshed my set, and am ready for the next.  Probably
> should make it small, since the next two weeks will be busy.  
> 
> Also, I have tentative travel dates for next year: April-May.  I'll
> have internet access this time, but probably won't be able to sit
> online for any extended amount of time.  So I'd like to do the same 
as
> last time, although you might not have to send as many updates. 
> 
> -Kelly

I was just doing the update and noticed ! Hooray..
Here's a new lot: 25151-25250

Thanks for letting us know about your next trip, Paul is thinking 
about changing all sorts of stuff, but hopefully it will be possible 
to do the same as last time..

Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 17 21:26:28 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:26:28 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 17th October
Message-ID: <ckuo24+ofto@eGroups.com>


PROGRESS
We have currently coded/allocated for coding 32965 posts. Of these, 
30670 are actually coded, and of these we rejected 18751 - 61%.

This week, with a record 10 people coding, we managed 1268 posts, and 
have reached post number 25150 on the main list.

CORRECTIONS 
Could you take a look at the reject status of:

27795 (Corinne)
20849, 20910 (Debbie)
19487 (Kathy)

NEW CATEGORIES

2.14.2.1 (1121) Firenze






From paul-groups at wibbles.org  Mon Oct 18 03:31:10 2004
From: paul-groups at wibbles.org (Paul Kippes)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:31:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: New set please
In-Reply-To: <ckunko+ud2q@eGroups.com>
References: <ckulgj+2j6d@eGroups.com> <ckunko+ud2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <c89e39d5041017203162774929@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I'm not sure right now.  We'll just have to see what state the
system is at that point.


On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:19:20 -0000, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kkearney at s...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Carolyn,
> > 
> > I *finally* finshed my set, and am ready for the next.  Probably
> > should make it small, since the next two weeks will be busy.  
> > 
> > Also, I have tentative travel dates for next year: April-May.  I'll
> > have internet access this time, but probably won't be able to sit
> > online for any extended amount of time.  So I'd like to do the same 
> as
> > last time, although you might not have to send as many updates. 
> > 
> > -Kelly
> 
> I was just doing the update and noticed ! Hooray..
> Here's a new lot: 25151-25250
> 
> Thanks for letting us know about your next trip, Paul is thinking 
> about changing all sorts of stuff, but hopefully it will be possible 
> to do the same as last time..
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Oct 19 19:38:35 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:38:35 -0000
Subject: Is Jo signed up?
Message-ID: <cl3qfr+t6pm@eGroups.com>


No, no, not JKR, Jo (Serenadust)! Did you sort out her catalogue 
access Paul?

Thanks
Crolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 20 10:40:09 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:40:09 -0000
Subject: Please don't do this at home...
Message-ID: <cl5fa9+mesp@eGroups.com>


>From 25734:

Here's an idea. I created a directory in the Files section. If you 
have a microphone on your computer, sing the Hogwarts Song to the 
tune of your choice. Then, upload it onto the directory. Eventually, 
someone could somehow mix all the songs into one big song, and we 
could have our own group song. 







From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Oct 22 08:53:06 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:53:06 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue]
In-Reply-To: <cl5fa9+mesp@eGroups.com>
References: <cl5fa9+mesp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <CA5602D0-2407-11D9-829C-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


Having a bit of trouble over the past couple of days....

Yesterday responses  were so slow that I gave up;  today I can't access 
the site.

Is it me or are there glitches in the wires somewhere?

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 12:33:57 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:33:57 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue]
In-Reply-To: <CA5602D0-2407-11D9-829C-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <claunl+juua@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> Having a bit of trouble over the past couple of days....
> 
> Yesterday responses  were so slow that I gave up;  today I can't 
access 
> the site.
> 
> Is it me or are there glitches in the wires somewhere?
> 
> Barry

Hm..me neither, I just tried. Paul was fixing something earlier in 
the week. Will email him.
Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 14:00:09 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:00:09 -0000
Subject: Site is fixed and up and running
Message-ID: <clb3p9+e7c1@eGroups.com>


Paul's fixed it..

Carolyn






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Fri Oct 22 14:09:03 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:09:03 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Site is fixed and up and running
In-Reply-To: <clb3p9+e7c1@eGroups.com>
References: <clb3p9+e7c1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ED829FD8-2433-11D9-829C-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


Oh dear.
I'm in the middle of constructing another character profile.
I'm afraid my productivity index is gonna be low this week - again.
I'll try to do some tomorrow.

Barry

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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Oct 22 14:35:05 2004
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:35:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] The Perils of Cataloguing
References: <ckp53c+sa1k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV17qmSvux4Jf00001575@hotmail.com>

Thanks for plugging the post, glad you liked it.

I've done about 3/4 of my last batch...may be it for this week.

Two questions
Did I use 1.3.1.2 correctly in posts #23654, 8, 9?

Had a couple of posts about Rita Skeeter's quill, but couldn't find it to code.  Weren't too many so I just coded it under Skeeter.  But I'm wondering if posts about the different magic quills are coming up soon.
Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: carolynwhite2<mailto:carolynwhite2 at aol.com> 
  To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:32 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] The Perils of Cataloguing



  ...see Potioncat's TBAY: The Rolling Canon (or Cannon)...

  Never mind, Kathy, just have a nice lie down somewhere...

  Carolyn
  giggling madly..




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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 14:40:15 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:40:15 -0000
Subject: Site is fixed and up and running
In-Reply-To: <ED829FD8-2433-11D9-829C-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <clb64f+u5c6@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> Oh dear.
> I'm in the middle of constructing another character profile.
> I'm afraid my productivity index is gonna be low this week - again.
> I'll try to do some tomorrow.
> 
> Barry
> 


yikes, as long as it isn't mine...








From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 22 21:31:10 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:31:10 -0000
Subject: The Perils of Cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV17qmSvux4Jf00001575@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <clbu6u+b2kf@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:

> 
> Two questions
> Did I use 1.3.1.2 correctly in posts #23654, 8, 9?

I think maybe I wouldn't have used it (reader response), just the 
subject codes (dementors or whatever). To be honest, I've rejected 
almost all of these posts so far ('what scares you most'), unless 
they delve into some kind of interesting discussion about whatever it 
is that frightens them - eg nature of dementors, how they work etc.


> 
> Had a couple of posts about Rita Skeeter's quill, but couldn't find 
it to code.  Weren't too many so I just coded it under Skeeter.  But 
I'm wondering if posts about the different magic quills are coming up 
soon.


I'd leave it with Rita for now. The other magic quill we know about 
(that records the wizarding children down for Hogwarts) is also 
currently subsumed into the 'Admission process' category.

Ordinary quills go under writing materials in section 3.7. You could 
cross-code Rita's quill there, I suppose.

Carolyn






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sat Oct 23 09:33:08 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:33:08 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: The Perils of Cataloguing
In-Reply-To: <clbu6u+b2kf@eGroups.com>
References: <clbu6u+b2kf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8CE0115A-24D6-11D9-B669-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>

A perennial subject - who's going to die - has cropped up again.

One  poster refers to whoever is on "The Doomed List"

Doomed - A useful category to  have under predictions?

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 14:10:07 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:10:07 -0000
Subject: Doomed characters
In-Reply-To: <8CE0115A-24D6-11D9-B669-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <cldonv+kog4@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> A perennial subject - who's going to die - has cropped up again.
> 
> One  poster refers to whoever is on "The Doomed List"
> 
> Doomed - A useful category to  have under predictions?
> 
> Barry


I'm reluctant - I just bung them into 'no canon predictions' for the 
next book usually, because they are rarely supported by good 
analysis, just wishful thinking. When it's a worthwhile post, I cross-
code to the character.

But, if people insist, we could, I suppose. Another approach would be 
to create a Doomed List at the second edit stage, pulling out those 
posts from across all the prediction categories.

Carolyn
Hoping they all die






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sat Oct 23 14:23:44 2004
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:23:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Doomed characters
References: <cldonv+kog4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4IkUqLpHkat00004b75@hotmail.com>





  Carolyn
  Hoping they all die

  Hi,

  Check out this site (from Mugglenet)

  http://cartoons.sev.com.au/Sev-Space/Hairy-Plopper/s775<http://cartoons.sev.com.au/Sev-Space/Hairy-Plopper/s775>

  It was a contest to come up with a caption for "Why does Snape hate me?"  My favorite, though not the winner, was something along the line: "We all hate you,  Snape just doesn't hide it so well."


   
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 14:43:35 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:43:35 -0000
Subject: Sept 11th
Message-ID: <cldqmn+djm0@eGroups.com>


I've just hit the wave of posts relating to 9/11. Without meaning to 
be callous, obviously most should be marked OT. However, there is a 
thread started as to whether the event was so terrible as to justify 
JKR changing the course of her story - starts 26045.

Do people consider this topic worth retaining, and if so, what 
category - or does it justify it's own category?

Interestingly, I posted on this very subject only on Friday - quoting 
Macmillan's comment: 'events, dear boy, events' as possible reasons 
why JKR may have altered her original story arc over the years.

Carolyn






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sat Oct 23 14:57:31 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:57:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <cldqmn+djm0@eGroups.com>
References: <cldqmn+djm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DD7B0381-2503-11D9-A2FF-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>




>
>  I've just hit the wave of posts relating to 9/11. Without meaning to
>  be callous, obviously most should be marked OT. However, there is a
>  thread started as to whether the event was so terrible as to justify
>  JKR changing the course of her story - starts 26045.
>
>  Do people consider this topic worth retaining, and if so, what
>  category - or does it justify it's own category?
>
>  Interestingly, I posted on this very subject only on Friday - quoting
>  Macmillan's comment: 'events, dear boy, events' as possible reasons
>  why JKR may have altered her original story arc over the years.
>
>  Carolyn
>
>


It did pretty well monopolise *everybody's* conversations at the time; 
bound to be reflected on site.

Changed the story arc?
Is this confirmed?
Never heard that before.

But anyway I'd put it under 1.3.1 Authorial Intent where members see a 
connection.

Barry
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 15:59:26 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:59:26 -0000
Subject: Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <DD7B0381-2503-11D9-A2FF-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <cldv4u+871g@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
>> It did pretty well monopolise *everybody's* conversations at the 
time; 
> bound to be reflected on site.
> 
> Changed the story arc?
> Is this confirmed?
> Never heard that before.
> 
> But anyway I'd put it under 1.3.1 Authorial Intent where members 
see a 
> connection.
> 
> Barry

Only kept one or two posts from the thread in the end, which fitted 
under good vs. evil and some character headings.

No, my comment was not based on anything JKR is supposed to have 
said. My point was that although she'd spent 5 years working out the 
stories, and keeps telling us that she's going to stick to the plan, 
the fact is that she's been writing them for over 10 years now, and a 
lot has happened to her personally in that time, plus an 
extraordinary level of fan response and a massive change in the world 
political climate (9/11 being a major contributing factor).

I thought all this could easily affect the way she treated some 
themes, whilst not diverging from the original plot structure. 

Carolyn






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 24 04:08:41 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 04:08:41 -0000
Subject: Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <cldqmn+djm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clf9s9+35lo@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> I've just hit the wave of posts relating to 9/11. Without meaning to 
> be callous, obviously most should be marked OT. However, there is a 
> thread started as to whether the event was so terrible as to justify 
> JKR changing the course of her story - starts 26045.

I'd have checked category 1.6 Other sources & influences, along with
whatever else was relevent, to code the on-topic posts.

But of course, most will be OT.  It's not at all callous to code them
that way.

Anne







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 24 15:29:57 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:29:57 -0000
Subject: UPDATE, Sunday 24th October
Message-ID: <clghpl+7m0d@eGroups.com>


PROGRESS

We have now coded/allocated for coding 34115 posts. Of the 34115, we 
have actually coded 31575, and rejected 19257 of these - 60.9%.

This week, with 8 people coding, we only did 905 posts. We are now up 
to post number 26300 on the main list and beginning to see the theory 
acronyms crop up - please watch out for them.

ERRORS
Corinne - could you look at the reject status on 20130?

TECH STUFF
Tim's hoping to produce another draft of the screen layouts sometime 
next week.

NEW CATEGORIES
3.15.1.1.2 (1122) Forbidden Forest








From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Oct 25 14:58:05 2004
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:58:05 -0000
Subject: Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <cldqmn+djm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clj49t+ljjf@eGroups.com>


Oh, I had the luck to catalogue Sep ll itself!  Admin set up a 
thread asking for members to check in, and several posts were made 
just to encourage those members who lived in the crash-site areas.  
The group also set up a chat for members to talk. Very moving, I 
must say, even several years later. (I wasn't a member then, but was 
in the DC area.)

You can see that while none of really know each other, there is a 
real atmosphere of friendship and caring...

OK, put away the tissues now.

My batch is done.
Two questions:
How to catalogue teenage sexuality. Doesn't seem to fit in either 
3.4.5 or 1.4.3.
 
Do we catalogue discussions on reproduction techniques/outcomes 
between werewolves, animagi, and other assorted animals?  This is 
Harry Potter for grownups, not Harry Potter for Adults, right?  :-)


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" 
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
> 
> I've just hit the wave of posts relating to 9/11. Without meaning 
to 
> be callous, obviously most should be marked OT. However, there is 
a 
> thread started as to whether the event was so terrible as to 
justify 
> JKR changing the course of her story - starts 26045.
> 
> Do people consider this topic worth retaining, and if so, what 
> category - or does it justify it's own category?
> 
> Interestingly, I posted on this very subject only on Friday - 
quoting 
> Macmillan's comment: 'events, dear boy, events' as possible 
reasons 
> why JKR may have altered her original story arc over the years.
> 
> Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 17:21:18 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:21:18 -0000
Subject: WW sex
In-Reply-To: <clj49t+ljjf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cljcme+aoks@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> 
> 
> My batch is done.
> Two questions:
> How to catalogue teenage sexuality. Doesn't seem to fit in either 
> 3.4.5 or 1.4.3.
>  
> Do we catalogue discussions on reproduction techniques/outcomes 
> between werewolves, animagi, and other assorted animals?  This is 
> Harry Potter for grownups, not Harry Potter for Adults, right?  :-)
> 

On teenage sex, maybe 1.1.6.2 Maturity/immaturity  or 3.4.2 Family 
planning & sex education ? Or just under SHIPPING if all else fails?

Ah, have you come across some CatLady or Tabouli speculation ?! I 
just tend to put it under the creatures concerned, or animagi if I 
think it amusing. 

Yes, catalogue by all means.. grownups are also adults, so no 
censorship if it makes a valid point. You have to admit JKR skates 
over some thin ice herself in the way she pairs off characters - 
think about Hagrid's parents. Many people have.

Carolyn






From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Tue Oct 26 22:02:58 2004
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:02:58 -0000
Subject: Sept 11th
In-Reply-To: <clj49t+ljjf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clmhii+ht5h@eGroups.com>


Potioncat:
> Oh, I had the luck to catalogue Sep ll itself!  Admin set up a 
> thread asking for members to check in, and several posts were made 
> just to encourage those members who lived in the crash-site areas.  
> The group also set up a chat for members to talk. Very moving, I 
> must say, even several years later. (I wasn't a member then, but 
> was in the DC area.)
> 
> You can see that while none of really know each other, there is a 
> real atmosphere of friendship and caring...

Your comments sent me back through those posts, Potioncat; I haven't 
looked through them in a very long time.  Can recall it all so 
vividly reading these...I remember how much time Sheryll, Christian 
(in Norway), John and Amy and others spent in chat that week...

For whatever reasons, I ended up being the welcome elf for nearly 
everyone who joined the group that month (from Sept 5 onward) and on 
the 12th added some comments to the start of my welcome message:

***
First, I would like to make some short comments addressing how the
tragedy that has befallen not only America, but our entire world, has
affected the HPfGUs list. I apologize for the length of this email,
but please continue to read, as following those comments is my
personal list elf welcome to you...

As we all face this tragic time, you may notice some discussion on
the main list about the horrific events in NYC and DC. The Moderator
group is hoping that we may soon resume canon discussion on the main
list, in the desire to have a return to normalcy and to have a place
that can be a respite from the horrors in our lives. At the moment
we understand that all our members need to feel a sense of community,
and wish to express their sympathy and support for one another.
Please bear with our group and be assured that discussion will soon
return to canon topics; understandably, we do not wish anyone to
feel 'rushed' through their grief, and this is something we will all
need to work through for a long time to come. Also note that many
are discussing these real world events on OT Chatter, and of course,
this discussion will be 'on topic' in that group in perpetuity.

"It is my belief---and never have I so hoped that I am mistaken---
that we are all facing dark and difficult times... ...I say to you
all---we are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are
divided..." ---Albus Dumbledore, GoF

With love and hope for us all,

Kelley Thompson, List Elf 
***

Received a lot of lovely and touching responses to that...

--Kelley






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Wed Oct 27 13:52:28 2004
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:52:28 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re:
In-Reply-To: <clj49t+ljjf@eGroups.com>
References: <clj49t+ljjf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <70919BF2-281F-11D9-8788-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>


Post 22538.

Loads an' loadsaguff and then  along comes a post which says in effect
"God rot all conformists!"

Sometimes it all seems worthwhile.....

Barry




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 27 15:25:26 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:25:26 -0000
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <70919BF2-281F-11D9-8788-000A9577CB94@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <cloel6+oa3p@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> Post 22538.
> 
> Loads an' loadsaguff and then  along comes a post which says in 
effect
> "God rot all conformists!"
> 
> Sometimes it all seems worthwhile.....
> 
> Barry


Hm....'I cannot see how progress can be accomplished without 
ambition, wilfulness and a certain contempt for the accepted way to 
do things.'

Who *does* this remind me of.. 

..it's a well-written post in defence of Slytherin, but, alas, the 
only people who live up to the billing so far are Snape and possibly 
Lucius, best to gloss over the rest of the DEs, Draco, Crabbe, Goyle, 
Pansy etc. And how do you account for Gred & Forge? Free market 
wheeler dealers to the tips of their fingers, those two.

Since this plotline seems to go right back to the founders' dispute, 
and thus may be at the heart of the matter, I can only hope she's 
given it some real thought. On which point, I particularly liked the 
last bit:

'If only she reminded herself that she is only able to make money out 
of her books because some ambitious and cunning people somewhere in 
time thought it could be very profitable for all if something like 
the free-market existed...'. 

[I gather this amounted to ?147m last year alone, according to TLC].

Tee hee, and it gives me an opportunity to add this little gem from 
post 26544, from someone bemoaning why nobody ever wanted to talk 
about saintly, but dull Gryffindor Harry:

'Anyway, acronyms for a Harry club - very difficult: How about 
Support Harry (It's The Best Option )Now (S.H.I.T.B.O.N)..(Sorry.)'

As the saying goes, with friends like these..

Carolyn









From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Oct 28 21:02:40 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:02:40 -0000
Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ?
Message-ID: <clrmpg+jkk2@eGroups.com>


I've just trawled my way through a particularly dull patch of posts, 
full of people asking the most teeth-grittingly obvious things, or 
making completely facile observations.

Every now and again, Admin put up a notice grimly asking people to 
read the FAQs they have written, but clearly to little avail. And, 
IMO, it continues to happen all the time on the current list.

This catalogue should be a great resource to help improve the quality 
of posting, but only if people enjoy using it, and can use it to 
locate stuff quickly and easily.

Assuming anything is possible on the technical side, and knowing what 
you are stuffing away under various categories, can you pause for a 
minute and think how you might use it to answer a particular query ? 
What features are really necessary?

Take a difficult category like Snape, for instance - well over 1000 
posts already. Finding what you want is very tricky, although not as 
bad as having to read 27000 posts, of course.

Also, would like to get your views on the second level edit - how 
tough we should be, what the criteria could be for pruning further..

Carolyn








From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Sat Oct 30 04:36:18 2004
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:36:18 -0000
Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ?
In-Reply-To: <clrmpg+jkk2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <clv5o2+sf1s@eGroups.com>


Carolyn asked:

> This catalogue should be a great resource to help improve the 
quality 
> of posting, but only if people enjoy using it, and can use it to 
> locate stuff quickly and easily.
...

> Take a difficult category like Snape, for instance - well over 1000 
> posts already. Finding what you want is very tricky, although not 
as 
> bad as having to read 27000 posts, of course.
> 
> Also, would like to get your views on the second level edit - how 
> tough we should be, what the criteria could be for pruning further..

Regarding use of the catalogue, I really don't think it will be as 
difficult as you think to locate posts.  After all, most common 
questions can be narrowed down to a certain combination of 
categories.  For example, someone who wants to know if anyone 
considered the possibility that Snape was in love with Lily wouldn't 
have to search all Snape posts; he or she could search a combination 
of Snape, Lily, and RelationSHIPPING, and would find that, why yes, 
people have considered this idea.  I think that simply providing an 
obvious link to our catalogue will be enough.

Perhaps we could provide guidance for the most common questions along 
these lines.  For example, if someone posted a message discussing 
whether Hermione likes Ron or Harry, we could simply reply "Search 
the catalogue (http://www.randomcatalogueadress.com) for Trio ships".

As far as the second edit, I still think we should leave as much as 
possible.  Keep in mind that we cataloguers don't represent the 
average HPFGU reader; what seems obvious to us may be very 
interesting for others to read.  I doubt people will be upset to find 
too much on a topic of their interest, as long as it's all in one 
place.  

-Kelly






From sevenhundredandthirteen at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 23:54:33 2004
From: sevenhundredandthirteen at yahoo.com (sevenhundredandthirteen)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:54:33 -0000
Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ?
In-Reply-To: <clv5o2+sf1s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm19jp+5abh@eGroups.com>


Kelly wrote:
> Perhaps we could provide guidance for the most common questions 
along 
> these lines.  For example, if someone posted a message discussing 
> whether Hermione likes Ron or Harry, we could simply reply "Search 
> the catalogue (http://www.randomcatalogueadress.com) for Trio 
ships".


Laurasia:

Having some suggested searches is a really good idea. We are trying 
to stop the same questions being asked repeatedly, without having to 
write a list of everything which has already been discussed and a 
message saying 'Get you own ideas.' 

To use you example, Snape Loving Lily is difficult to code as a FAQ 
(no matter how many times it is discussed) because there may never 
been one definite anwswer, so linking directly to a variety of posts 
containing for and against arguments would let people make up their 
own minds. Any question which has the ambiguous answer 'Some people 
think yes, some people think no' should never be simplified into a 
FAQ, and a link to the broad spectrum of posts would keep the 
discussion open for new arguments. Anything with the label FAQ makes 
it sound like the discussion if closed. Whereas links to posts about 
an openended idea will clearly demonstrate that what we *aren't* 
doing is just writing down a list of everything that has come before 
us. What we *are* doing is keeping all the ancient themes alive so 
that its easier to find them and use them to inspire new ones, IMO.

So, I think some links to a few good ideas is great. It will also 
help give people the idea of how they are meant to approach the 
catalogue- add a few keywords, see if your exact idea has already 
been discussed. If it has, does your POV add a new spin to it? Was 
it sastisfactorarily answered before hand? Use the canon and 
arguments which came before you to make your theory stronger.

~<(Laurasia)>~






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 14:04:56 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:04:56 -0000
Subject: UPDATE, Sunday Oct 31
Message-ID: <cm2re8+s5b7@eGroups.com>


PROGRESS

To date we have coded/allocated for coding 35215 posts. Of the 35251, 
32815 have been coded, and of the 32815, 19889 have been rejected 
(60.6%).

This week, with 8 people coding, we managed 1240 posts, and are now 
up to post number 27400 on the main list.

That's it..

Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 16:32:06 2004
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:32:06 -0000
Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ?
In-Reply-To: <cm19jp+5abh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm3426+cd07@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "sevenhundredandthirteen" 
<sevenhundredandthirteen at y...> wrote:
> 

> To use you example, Snape Loving Lily is difficult to code as a FAQ 
> (no matter how many times it is discussed) because there may never 
> been one definite anwswer, so linking directly to a variety of 
posts containing for and against arguments would let people make up 
their own minds. Any question which has the ambiguous answer 'Some 
people think yes, some people think no' should never be simplified 
into a FAQ, and a link to the broad spectrum of posts would keep the 
> discussion open for new arguments. 

Carolyn:
This approach is certainly one that I would find useful in many of 
the categories, and goes back to a distinction I made in an earlier 
post between 'browse' and 'search' functions.

Between them, Paul and Tim will be able to come up with any number of 
demon search routines, which will be able to find almost anything 
using a combination of free-text search and our category headings. 
However, using search routines effectively presupposes you know what 
you are looking for [think of your most recent Google search..].

The 'browse' idea is different - it is intended to give people a much 
better idea of the scope of the content, and needs a good deal more 
editorial thought. Essentially, it seems to me that at the second 
edit stage, we are going to have to take the bunch of posts under any 
particular heading, and manually go through them and decide on a sub-
set of headings appropriate to each category.

For some of the major characters, I think it would be invaluable to 
have major theory ideas listed, and if necessary, the for- and 
against- arguments sub-listed. [It was why I made all the effort in 
the first place to list out the theory acronyms under the right 
headings].

In other categories, for instance, the endless argument about number 
of children at Hogwarts, you might chose to sort the posts into the 
two basic groups - those that agree there are 1000+ as JKR says, and 
those who think she can't add up and have calculated it differently.

The choice of sub-categories would always vary with the subject. One 
question I have is whether we have done enough coding already to 
begin to set some of them up now, which would save time later ? For 
instance, nearly every character is accused of being ESE at some 
point, so should we have ESE/anti-ESE subheads ready set up?

As further example, on Snape, off the top of my head, the most 
repeated themes are: 

spy/or not/for whom 
did he ever love anyone 
teaching methods 
is he a vampire/bat
relationship with MWPP 
relationship with Dumbledore

My idea would be to have relevant theory acronyms under these larger 
heads, plus other posts on those subjects. But there would, of 
course, be a bunch of other posts not related to these heads; don't 
know how extensive these would be without doing the analysis. May be 
possible to come up with further heads to categorise them.

Laurasia:
Anything with the label FAQ makes it sound like the discussion if 
closed. Whereas links to posts about an openended idea will clearly 
demonstrate that what we *aren't* doing is just writing down a list 
of everything that has come before us. What we *are* doing is keeping 
all the ancient themes alive so that its easier to find them and use 
them to inspire new ones, IMO.

Carolyn:
We are certainly not writing FAQs - that's a different HPfGU project, 
which I assume this catalogue will greatly help with. Personally, I 
am much more interested in encouraging people to use the catalogue to 
generate interesting posts, as I agree with you that FAQs do tend to 
have an air of closure, unless they are rigorously kept up to date 
with new material.


Laurasia:
> So, I think some links to a few good ideas is great. It will also 
> help give people the idea of how they are meant to approach the 
> catalogue- add a few keywords, see if your exact idea has already 
> been discussed. If it has, does your POV add a new spin to it? Was 
> it sastisfactorarily answered before hand? Use the canon and 
> arguments which came before you to make your theory stronger.
> 

Carolyn:
But, returning to my original gripe, how best to get people to do 
this? I am continually amazed that so few people have even found 
the 'Fantastic Posts' section on the HPfGU home page. Granted, the 
FPs are out of date, but they are interesting nonetheless, and full 
of post numbers to follow up.

I do despair, but also recognise that people won't use this thing 
unless it is laid out in an interesting enough way that they can't 
argue that it should be their first point of call *before* posting 
some question.









From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 31 21:09:27 2004
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:09:27 -0000
Subject: What's the best way of getting people to use this catalogue ?
In-Reply-To: <cm3426+cd07@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cm3ka7+6cdm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
 
> The 'browse' idea is different - it is intended to give people a much 
> better idea of the scope of the content, and needs a good deal more 
> editorial thought. Essentially, it seems to me that at the second 
> edit stage, we are going to have to take the bunch of posts under any 
> particular heading, and manually go through them and decide on a sub-
> set of headings appropriate to each category.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. I'm also thinking that it will be
much easier than this first stage.  I hope.


> I do despair, but also recognise that people won't use this thing 
> unless it is laid out in an interesting enough way that they can't 
> argue that it should be their first point of call *before* posting 
> some question.

Part of the problem must be that so many get individual emails or
daily digests, and they rarely if ever look at the home page.  I'm
thinking we may have to do some promoting ourselves.  For instance,
whenever a post begins 'Has anyone ever thought of the idea that...'
or 'I don't know whether this has been discussed before, but...', one
of us is going to have to reply onlist with a link to the catalogue
and a suggested search keyword or two.  It wouldn't hurt, especially
at first, if we trolled the thing for our own pet subjects, and posted
any worthwhile ideas that we had, carefully noting how we'd searched
the catalogue for our material.

Anne