From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Dec 4 20:44:42 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:44:42 -0000 Subject: Update (?) Sunday 4th December Message-ID: Miss H enters the catalogue office very guiltily. There's chocolate wrappers, popcorn and empty bottles all over the place. She sifts hopelessly through the pile of queries on her desk. Ok, I took a look at the database, and we now seem to have done 89 categories, an advance of five since I last did an update on 16th October. But within this total are two categories (01 Good vs evil and 17 Back history) which are actually only part done, although ticked 'yes'. So we actually have 18 categories still to go, including some large ones (coughs in embarrassment). I know some of you are working away on bits of these. I also had some good news from the tech team this weekend, basically things are moving forward, and I think we should still try to aim for the end of the year to finish this review. I have two weeks off over Xmas, which will help. Right now, I am going to steadily work through the posts here and update our reference files, and in the process compile a list of questions that have not got answered over the last few weeks. For some reason I can't get the catalogue-post-count mechanism to work right now, I think because we have transferred to a new server, so checking that with Paul. So, don't know the total posts coded/rejected .. I'm sure you can wait! I did see the film a few weeks ago. Thought it was better than the others, but various plot-related winges, not least non-appearance of Ludo Bagman, so I suppose that sinks him. She is a spoilsport. C. From ewetoo at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 21:35:13 2005 From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:35:13 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Update (?) Sunday 4th December In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051204213513.GA8318@4dot0.net> On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 08:44:42PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > So we actually have 18 categories still to go, including some large > ones (coughs in embarrassment). I know some of you are working away > on bits of these. I have been ensnared by a ridiculous job search programme, but in another week I should be free again to contribute. My days and nights are filled with questionaires and structured worksheets. > I did see the film a few weeks ago. Thought it was better than the > others, but various plot-related winges, not least non-appearance of > Ludo Bagman, so I suppose that sinks him. She is a spoilsport. > > C. It premiered here last Thursday. I took in the afternoon session with a largley teen audience who giggled and squirmed in all the giggley-squirmy places. I was appalled at the editing, and suspect an extended DVD version may result. It was certainly an improvement on movie 3 but why did we have yet another parting shot of that damn lake? Why the extended sequence with the Horntail? Why was the maze sequence so dull, not a Blast-Ended Skrewt in sight :( Wikipedia has a nice list of changes in the movie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Goblet_of_Fire_%28film%29 -- Just because we look like sheep doesn't mean we aren't penguins. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 13:23:09 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:23:09 -0000 Subject: Potioncat and the Malfoys Message-ID: I did a first runthrough of the Malfoys, but it needs to be gone over again. I was sick this weekend and got nothing accomplished. (Headache- couldn't concentrate- better now, thank you.) Anyway, in my working I found post #37733, which had no codes, nor was it rejected. I was going to put it under Weasley Group, but I thought since Kathy (Potioncat) was looking at that group, I'd just pass it along as something for her consideration since I don't know if she rejected it and forgot to mark it or if it is a true orphan post. Ginger, getting back to real life From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Dec 5 22:32:47 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:32:47 -0000 Subject: Revised definitions files uploaded Message-ID: Ok, I updated our three big definitions files with all discussions since 25th September and uploaded them to the file section. A number of queries caught as I went through, but want to comb through them completely against my Excel file of where we are before posting questions. You know, we are nuts, completely, terminally nuts! The conversations are a total hoot..no one would believe the work we have put into this! Carolyn madder than most From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Dec 8 20:29:39 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:29:39 -0000 Subject: Workaholic and the Weasleys (was: Potioncat and the Malfoys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I did a first runthrough of the Malfoys, but it needs to be gone over > again. I was sick this weekend and got nothing accomplished. > (Headache- couldn't concentrate- better now, thank you.) > > Anyway, in my working I found post #37733, which had no codes, nor was > it rejected. I was going to put it under Weasley Group, but I thought > since Kathy (Potioncat) was looking at that group, I'd just pass it > along as something for her consideration since I don't know if she > rejected it and forgot to mark it or if it is a true orphan post. > > Ginger, getting back to real life Potioncat glances over to Ginger's desk. Ginger is obviously un-well, ill, that is to say, sick. Potioncat attempts to push her desk a bit farther away, but without looking like she's pushing it farther away. To her horror, Ginger approaches, holding out a bit of parchment. "Post 37733, I thought you might want to look at it." Potioncat does not want to look at it, and what's more, she doesn't want to touch it, which is what Ginger really means. She smiles, takes it by the smallest bit of a corner that she manage and holds it as far away as she can. She drops it in the trash can. "Yes, should be rejected." Fortunately, Ginger is too sick to realise Potioncat couldn't possibly have been able to read it. On a more professional note. I've just gotten into the Weasleys a bit. This sorting out dynamics vrs individuals is going to be more complicated than I thought. Ginger, do you have any insight from the Malfoy posts? Potioncat, who has a headache, as well as general body ache, and thinks it might be due to an Excess of Phlegm at the main site. > From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Dec 9 08:28:53 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Workaholic and the Weasleys (was: Potioncat and the Malfoys In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051209082853.94276.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Potioncat wrote: On a more professional note. I've just gotten into the Weasleys a bit. This sorting out dynamics vrs individuals is going to be more complicated than I thought. Ginger, do you have any insight from the Malfoy posts? Ginger says: Actually, it is a bit of a challenge to figure out what the heck to do with most of the posts. My rule of thumb is to read the whole post and ask myself "What the heck were they talking about?" If they are talking about the Malfoys in general, I left it clicked to Malfoys. If it was about only one of the family, I left it to that family member and got rid of Malfoys. I was at a strong advantage here, having reviewed the Draco and Cissy categories, so I was able to take some liberties with them. On many occasions, they would start out talking about one person and then tie it in with the family, in which case I left it clicked on both. In the case of Lucy, I figured that the person who reviewed him had rejected those posts that were redundant in the category, so I chose between keeping them with the family code or ditching them if they were not coded to him. I can imagine that the Weasleys were harder as they have more people in the family. I don't suppose that helps any. Sorry. Ginger, who died laughing over "Phlegm" when she first read it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 06:43:07 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 06:43:07 -0000 Subject: Malfoys done- on to MWPP Message-ID: I finished the Malfoys, and put myself down for MWPP. As I recall, it is a large category, so I hope I can get a chunk of it done. I hope to have it finished next weekend because for the next couple of weeks after that I'll be away from the computer for family gatherings, a wedding and a hockey game. I'm taking bets on which one results in the most fights. Ginger, just kidding on that last line From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Dec 15 16:52:39 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:52:39 -0000 Subject: Reporting for duty, Sir...er...Miss Message-ID: "Miss Havisham would probably prefer a completed category on her desk rather than a 'back in business' note." Jen mused. She considered hastily drawing up a progress plan with graphs, pie charts, productivity figures...until she noticed the huge pile of paper on Miss' desk, standing like towers amongst the litter of coffee cups, chocolate wrappers, dust and a sign in gilt letters proclaiming 'Gone Knitting'. "Nah" Jen, reporting to her cupboard to finish Dicentra's Good/Evil category and Characterization. From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Dec 21 14:37:39 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:37:39 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays Message-ID: Potioncat, with Ginger in tow, approaches Jen's cupboard and speaks, "Erm, Miss Jen?" Jen is currently more into evil than good and her expression reflects it. Potioncat,backing into Ginger, continues, Potioncat continues, "It's almost Christmas, Miss." "And you want the day off I suppose?" "Well," Potioncat starts. Ginger is nodding eagerly. "And you would think yourself misused if I docked...." "No,no, not only the day off, but an office party." Jen's eyes light up, "Party? I remember parties..." "For all of us. The ones who are working, the ones who are pretending to work, the ones with a leave of absence the ones with a leave of senses..." Jen is beginning to smile. "Yes, a party." "Rum balls, Kentucky Bourbon cake, champagne punch," Potioncat suggests. "Better set up a very big coffee maker," Ginger adds. "I'll start decorating," Potioncat says. "Can we send invitations?" Ginger asks. "What do you think," Potioncat asks from across the room, "Should I knock down these cobwebs or spray them with gold glitter? Oh, and Miss Jen, you'd better give Miss H. a call." From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Wed Dec 21 15:30:24 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:30:24 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Jen is beginning to smile. "Yes, a party." > > "Rum balls, Kentucky Bourbon cake, champagne punch," Potioncat > suggests. > > "Better set up a very big coffee maker," Ginger adds. > Dung appears (as if by magic) at the word 'party', rummages in her pockets and then delicately places a miniature paper hat on the disgruntled Tegenaria whose web has just been sprayed gold. "And a very happy shortest day of the year to everyone inhabiting latitudes where it means something." She produces a slightly squashed silver cardboard box from a pocket. "I'm donating these." All look suitably unimpressed. "It's a wrench giving them to you. My dear sister has decided to give up teaching eight-year-olds and is going to become a chocolatier. Something useful at last! These are Surrey's finest hand-made Belgian chocolates - she's in need of tasters to experiment on. The Tequila and chilli ones are the best." Dung disappears into a corner to help Potioncat by sticking silver stars on the cockroaches, since nobody else seems to want to. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Dec 21 18:33:24 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:33:24 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" wrote: > > "And a very happy shortest day of the year to everyone inhabiting > latitudes where it means something." She produces a slightly > squashed silver cardboard box from a pocket. "I'm donating these." > > All look suitably unimpressed. > > "It's a wrench giving them to you. My dear sister has decided to > give up teaching eight-year-olds and is going to become a > chocolatier. Something useful at last! These are Surrey's finest > hand-made Belgian chocolates - she's in need of tasters to > experiment on. The Tequila and chilli ones are the best." > WHAT! Miss H magically appears within two minutes of the posting, attracted mainly by the aroma of chocolate. Your sister is becoming a chocolatier.. ?? How come I don't have civilised family like this? All my brother has done is send me a DVD of baby photos, since he has apparently produced a sproglet somewhere down under. Fortunately, my computer doesn't recognise the format, so I'm spared the frightful sight. My Christmas tasting selection from Hotel Chocolat is just about to arrive (I chased it today).. what an *excellent* choice of profession.. Oh.. er, yes, the catalogue. Miss H recollects herself, reaches for the foghorn: OK! Just started my Xmas break and got stuck into this thing. Will be posting regularly for the next two weeks. Had another mysterious communique from the tech team this morning. Who knows what they are on about, but it looks like something is actually happening. To raise morale, there will be free Christmas pud every day and I'm doubling the rum ration. You will have to do a lot of power-walking and sit-ups to get this off your waistlines in the new year, but hey, who cares. Wanders off chortling thinking we all ought to post some pics this year, starting with Dot's graduation hat.. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Thu Dec 22 09:01:37 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:01:37 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > WHAT! > Miss H magically appears within two minutes of the posting, attracted mainly by the aroma of chocolate. > > Your sister is becoming a chocolatier.. ?? How come I don't have > civilised family like this? ... > Oh.. er, yes, the catalogue. Miss H recollects herself, reaches for the foghorn: > ... > Wanders off chortling thinking we all ought to post some pics this > year, starting with Dot's graduation hat.. > Dot tries to look smug through the tinnitus from the foghorn and her second helping of rum. She casually lets slip that it's also cocoa harvest time here in Cote d'Ivoire... There are trucks full of fermented cocoa all over the roads, you just cruise behind them and let the divine scent distract you from the damage the potholes are doing to your suspension. Dot (who might be persuaded to relax the copyright demands of that silly hat photo, in exchange for one of Miss H with a kneazle or two and a pretty Christmas hat at an amusingly rakish angle...) From elfundeb at comcast.net Fri Dec 23 14:10:24 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:10:24 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays/Morality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie staggers into the Catalogue office, looking haggard and wild- eyed, and wielding a machete. The staffers look up, "Vengeance is mine!" she shouts, the machete glinting in a shaft of sunlight as she waves it above her head. Fortunately, at that moment she is distracted by a strong -- and heavenly -- aroma of chocolate. She slowly lowers the machete and stashes it in a corner, realizing that she has dropped in on the Catalogue Office Christmas Party. > Jen is beginning to smile. "Yes, a party." > > "Rum balls, Kentucky Bourbon cake, champagne punch," Potioncat > suggests. > > "Better set up a very big coffee maker," Ginger adds. Debbie reaches into her inside jacket pocket and pulls out a slightly dented tin, and opens it up. "Chocolate bourbon balls. I made them myself. They're my Christmas specialty." She offers the tin around, helping herself to one of Dungrollin's chocolates. "After weeks of wallowing in sin, immorality, vengeance and, of course, all those things that lead to foolish wand-waving, I really need some chocolate to chase the dementors away. But," she said brightly, "I've got my final report right here: Original count: 773. Original/final counts per subcategory: 1.1.2 Morality vs. Immorality 335/136 1.1.2.1 Following/Breaking Rules 150/87 1.1.2.2 Responsibility 32/16 1.1.2.3 Respect/disrespect for authority 63/38 1.1.2.4 Rashness and Anger 125/41 1.1.2.5 Jealousy 104/50 1.1.2.6 Pride 34/19 1.1.2.7 Revenge 23/17 1.1.2.8 Justice 99/66 1.1.2.9 Contrition and Forgiveness 46/26 The main category now includes only general discussions of morality in the series and posts on one or another of the Seven Deadly Sins/Seven Heavenly Virtues that don't have their own subheads. The others are self-explanatory; I generally removed all the Snape's Anger/Ron's Jealousy etc. posts unless they had a broader point to make. "And, yes, it does add up to a bit more than 773. I want to blame JKR's maths, but the real truth is that I kept shuffling posts around and having to review them again. I think that calls for an extra chocolate," Debbie says, reaching into the chocolate box and the bourbon ball tin simultaneously. Debbie wishing everyone a very happy holiday From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 16:19:56 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:19:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051223161956.77340.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger looks around at all the festive folks. It seems a good time is being had by all. Not knowing why she didn't think of it sooner, Ginger digs deep into her desk drawer and passes out a nice assortment of dried fruit and takes another nip at her whiskey stash. Yes, it's been one of those weeks. MWPP hasn't even gotten a glance. I'm behind on my reading of the list. I still have to wrap, pack and deal with reality, such as it is, but hey, it's Christmas, which is my favourite holiday (along with Super Bowl Sunday) and by George (and/or Fred) I'm going to celebrate. As Dr. Seuss said, "Christmas day will always be, just as long as we have we." Safe travels if you're going anywhere. Joy, Peace, Love. May the New Year bring happiness and prosperity, and maybe some productive coding. Cheers, Ginger --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakearney at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 19:18:53 2005 From: kakearney at gmail.com (corinthum) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:18:53 -0000 Subject: Happy Holidays In-Reply-To: <20051223161956.77340.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kelly walks into the Christmas party, attracted by the promise of chocolate and alcohol, a wonderful combination. "Hi everyone! Guess what? I'm not homeless anymore! I finally found a new house to rent last week. It will probably take me another couple of weeks to finish furnishing it, and then I think I'll resume work here." She walks over to the table where all the snacks are laid out, and chooses an intriguing-looking item Ginger has just set down. "Here, I didn't have time to bake anything this year, but I stole a batch of my mom's oatmeal butterscotch cookies to for us. Merry Christmas everyone!" -Kelly From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Dec 24 21:35:30 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:35:30 -0000 Subject: 1.1.8 Bravery & Courage/1.1.8.1 Cowardice & fear/Merry Christmas Message-ID: Miss H staggers into the catalogue office, laden with home-made mince pies, fudge and a lot of bottles. Great to see you back Kelly, and glad you have found somewhere to live! :: beams blearily around:: Gosh, what a lot of people here. Could it be that you are all escaping from the delights of the family fireside?? Prefer to be listening to Kneasy's lurid Christmas fantasies heh?? Well, I am very glad that Debbie had done the morality section, as it is certainly not my expert area and I was definitely dreading it. To compensate I have finally finished section 1.1.8/1.1.8.1, which I started months ago. Have to say it consists mainly of examples of various characters' courage or cowardice, and at one point I was going to take them all out. If I had, there would have been no section. So, dubiously, I went through pruning here and there, removing obvious glitches etc. Net result is: 1.1.8 Started with 98, finished with 81 1.1.8.1 Started with 97, finished with 78 There were only about 20 posts cross-coded to both I found, to my surprise. Ho hum, or even ho ho ho I suppose this evening. Best wishes to you all. Thanks for everything this year. hic.. C From ewetoo at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 00:33:56 2005 From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:33:56 +1100 Subject: Happy Holidays Message-ID: <20051225003356.GE21593@4dot0.net> A somewhat bedraggled penguin staggers into a transformed Catalogue Office, full of light, chatter and bunting. ewe2 eyes his bourbon suspiciously, i can't have drunk THAT much already, can i? CRUNCH. Er..can someone give me something to scrape off whatever I stepped on? It's got silver stars in it...odd... It is actually cold today, of all days. Overcast and a mere 15c, most unusual for Australia this time of year (considering that Friday was 37c and yesterday was in the upper twenties), the pork roast is in the oven because I'm a traditionalist and the bourbon is very tasty yum yum. It's the last Christmas I shall be spending here in this house; I expect I shall be difficult to contact from January as I'll be moving to where I shan't have a landline for some time. I'll keep track of things at the local internet cafe, but hope to be back on air maybe in March if things go as planned. Indeed if things go that well, you may get a penguin on your actual doorsteps if you're not careful :) A happy holy-day and solstice to you all! PS I asked Santa to please make Kneasy write a funny book so Caroline can publish it and we can all be rich and live on an island somewhere. -- Just because we look like sheep doesn't mean we aren't penguins. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Dec 25 17:24:43 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:24:43 -0000 Subject: Christmas Sunday update Message-ID: So calm and soothing to be peacefully cataloguing when the alternative is engaging in family fun.. Kelly, you may like to know that today I finally implemented all the sections you did whilst at sea, and merged some categories. Please note: 1.2.13.2 Colours now contains all the sub-sections 1.2.13.2.1 through 1.2.13.2.3 1.2.13.8 Alchemy & stars now contains sub-sections 1.2.13.6 Stars and 1.2.13.8.1 AS STARS 1.2.13.11 Numbers now contains all the sub-sections 1.2.13.11.1 through 1.2.13.11.4 (We had to do this anyway to lose the level 5 heads). I have also checked our general progress, and the situation is: Posts coded: 68607 Posts rejected: 41096 Reject rate: a pleasing 59.9% Sections reviewed: 90 of 106. We're getting there! Ok, going to raid the drinks cupboard and see how the turkey-poached-in- red wine is getting on. xxC From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Dec 26 16:03:07 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:03:07 -0000 Subject: Preliminary Voldemort plan Message-ID: Just in case any of you peer at the catalogue over the next few days, this is a word of explanation as to the odd headings that have appeared under Voldie. Instead of putting in words, I am using codes, because I know I will change it all quite often as I go on. I am tackling it 100-posts at a time, and directly moving them into relevant categories, or removing coding altogether if they seem in the wrong place. Shout if you have any (helpful) suggestions. A Voldemort family history A1 - Slytherin family ancestry A2 - as Tom Riddle/Diary!Tom A3 - Time travel theories o TTTR B Voldemort's Agenda B1 - meaning of name/character analyses o VIM B2 - plan/objectives B3 - effect of Chamber/Possession theories o KITTENS & RAINBOWS o PS I LOVE YOU B4 - effect of prophecy B5 - GH & rebirth episodes /nature of disembodied V/ Vulnerability to Harry/blood/final confrontation theories o SCREW o VIAGRA o VITTLES o VOLDEMORT WAKES o OVERCHARGING POWERMONGER C Voldemort's Relationships C1 - with Lily C2 - with Snape C3 - with Death Eaters & other dark creatures C4 - with Dumbledore D Voldemort as plot device D1 - the Evil Overlord rulebook D2 - literary characterisation o VIABLE o VICE SQUAD D3 - RL parallels (eg with Hitler) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Dec 28 14:24:20 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:24:20 -0000 Subject: A surfeit of ancestors.. Message-ID: As I plod on through the Voldemort posts, I realise that we have created rather a lot of sections with similar content. Under WW we have: 3.5.3 Heirs, rules of inheritance 3.5.3.1 Ancestors/descendants Under Harry we have: 2.5.1.7 Harry's parentage/ancestry Under Voldemort we have: (A1) Slytherin family ancestry (b2) plan/objectives A great many of these posts are about whether or not Harry and Voldie are related, with much repetition of the (alleged) ancestors/descendants printing mistake, and many assertions that Voldie's principal aim was/is to destroy the heir of Gryffindor (James/Harry). Not quite sure what to do about this overlap, as there are good reasons for maintaining the sections under the various headings, and not having just one heading (where would it go - under plot?). Thoughts? C From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Dec 28 21:18:12 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:18:12 -0000 Subject: Here's looking at you kids.. Message-ID: See photo section... From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Thu Dec 29 11:45:40 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (arrowsmithbt) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:45:40 -0000 Subject: Here's looking at you kids.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > See photo section... > Stumbled through the start of the day, fired up the trusty iMac to be greeted by an injunction to check the Catalogue photo files, something I've never bothered to do since the logo presentation way back when. It's a repeat of one of my whinges about the HP films - interchanges on the boards have encouraged my admittedly perverse and fertile imagination to construct representations of the personae concerned. To be hit by the reality is disconcerting, to say the least. Still, if I download to iPhoto I can add the teutonic crop, the steel incisors, the duelling scars.... From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 12:51:53 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 04:51:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] A surfeit of ancestors.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051229125153.12771.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> carolynwhite2 wrote: As I plod on through the Voldemort posts, I realise that we have created rather a lot of sections with similar content. Under WW we have: 3.5.3 Heirs, rules of inheritance 3.5.3.1 Ancestors/descendants Ginger snorts: You think there are a lot there now? You should have seen it several weeks ago. 3.5.3 was 88, now 36 and 3.5.3.1 was 81, now 65. And, yup, there's still a lot of repetition. I really trimmed it as ruthlessly as I dared. Although, I'm sure less Ruth could be applied if one wanted to. The categories you mentioned do all seem to fit together, although touching on different aspects of things. Such is our grand history. In the categories I reviewed, there is enough non-Harry/Voldie/James stuff to merit a category for each, but they would be very small ones. I remember quite a lot of what I rejected as repetitious from my cats was also coded to Harry's ancestory. I'm sure a lot of what was kept was as well. With an eye to the future, I can see that anc/dec will have a lot of non-Harry additions with the Black family tree discussions, and the heirs will have a lot of who gets #12 GP talk, so maybe they could be non-Harry/Voldie/James in nature and stand alone. Of course, there is a lot of overlap, as always. Happy New Year, Ginger --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Dec 29 14:01:04 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:01:04 -0000 Subject: Here's looking at you kids.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "arrowsmithbt" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > > > See photo section... > > > > Stumbled through the start of the day, fired up the trusty iMac to > be greeted by an injunction to check the Catalogue photo files, > something I've never bothered to do since the logo presentation > way back when. > > It's a repeat of one of my whinges about the HP films - interchanges > on the boards have encouraged my admittedly perverse and fertile > imagination to construct representations of the personae concerned. > To be hit by the reality is disconcerting, to say the least. > > Still, if I download to iPhoto I can add the teutonic crop, the steel > incisors, the duelling scars.... > ::considers post carefully from every angle:: Could this be a backhanded compliment?? After all, the incisors are cunningly hidden, and the scars (like the tattoes) are for private viewing by consenting adults only... Nah. As I stagger towards another nasty b'day, I'll err on the side of caution and decide it's retaliation for the back-combed Skye terrier link on another site.. From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 17:01:37 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:01:37 -0000 Subject: A surfeit of ancestors.. /Also a mini-progress report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > As I plod on through the Voldemort posts, I realise that we have > created rather a lot of sections with similar content. > > Under WW we have: > 3.5.3 Heirs, rules of inheritance > 3.5.3.1 Ancestors/descendants > > Under Harry we have: > 2.5.1.7 Harry's parentage/ancestry > > Under Voldemort we have: > (A1) Slytherin family ancestry > (b2) plan/objectives Anne: At the Harry Potter end of things, the 2.5.1.7 category seems to be justified. It overlaps with 3.5.3.1 and the Voldy categories somewhat, but also contains lots of other stuff including speculative ties to G. Gryffindor, DD, Weasleys and probably others, as well as discussions of Harry's actual parents and grandparents. Overlap happens all over the catalogue -- I think it's unavoidable. Coding furiously to finish up here. I am removing HP codes completely from many posts. I'm trying to get through them all earlier than I'd planned, because I want to save a little time to review "Harry's character traits/maturation" which is swelling alarmingly and which I suspect could be trimmed even more. I think a let too many posts slip in there because I wasn't sure if the old familiar discussions were things I coded into the category alread or whether I just remembered them from reading the list. Otherwise, things seem to be working out. I am ending up with more than 100 posts in a general 2.5.1 Harry Potter category. If I really can't find a home for them (they'd probably require several discrete categories with 1 to 10 posts each; a waste of space, I think), it might be easiest to insert 2.5.1.8 Harry Potter/miscellaneous to dump all those posts into. Anne who was surprised to see a pic of Carolyn *smiling* in the midst of all those LV posts -- perhaps the picture predates this... From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Dec 30 04:55:42 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:55:42 -0000 Subject: Here's looking at you kids.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kneasy: > It's a repeat of one of my whinges about the HP films - > interchanges on the boards have encouraged my admittedly perverse > and fertile imagination to construct representations of the > personae concerned. To be hit by the reality is disconcerting, to > say the least. Still, if I download to iPhoto I can add the > teutonic crop, the steel incisors, the duelling scars.... Carolyn: > ::considers post carefully from every angle:: > > Could this be a backhanded compliment?? After all, the incisors are > cunningly hidden, and the scars (like the tattoes) are for private > viewing by consenting adults only... > > Nah. As I stagger towards another nasty b'day, I'll err on the > side of caution and decide it's retaliation for the back-combed > Skye terrier link on another site.. Jen: I think that *was* a compliment. You look remarkably as I pictured you, complete with classic high cheekbones and demure smile....oh, well, I do hope you are holding a wineglass off-camera, and did you cut your hair recently? It's supposed to be shoulder length. And the piercing glare, definitely you are missing that. Great necklace, btw. Anyone who's looked at Hog's Head pics know what I look like, but seeing as I've got a couple of more years on me now and looking better with age ;), I'll have to find a picture to upload this weekend. Now *Kneasy*, I wish I could think of who to compare him to as he looks in my mind. He's always hunched over the keyboard and has sort of a fiendish gleam, with salt-and-pepper distinguished hair...that's about as far as I can get, the hunched over the keyboard part is critical. Oh, I forgot to mention I'm a working woman now, like with pay again? Yes, yes I know, no excuse. I will be cranking out my last two categories this weekend come hell or high water. Just thought you should know that if I'm not sending in as many messages, I'm still alive and well. Well, er, alive anyway. And I'll return to coding whenever you give the high sign. Jen From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Dec 30 15:34:43 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:34:43 -0000 Subject: Posts That Came True Message-ID: I've been reading my way through the Weasley section of the Group Dynamics Heading. I've lucked up on a long stretch of very good posts.Some of them are the same discussions that are going on now. (Nothing new under the sun, I guess.) One by Tabouli was particularly interesting because her suggestion plays out in the books. Does anyone know if she had the ability to go into books and talk to characters? Here is a portion of the post, from March 2002, Post #36045. --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tabouli" wrote: > > Catlady: > > "Harry could see that they contained details of every pupil Filch had ever punished. Fred and George Weasley had an entire drawer to themselves." I should have realised then that if it were EVERY student Filch had punished, James Potter and Sirius Black should ALSO have an entire drawer to > themselves, and Harry would have been interested if he had seen the > name James Potter.< > > You know, there's a potential plot device here. Who knows what light could be shed on Snape, Florence, Filch, Tom Riddle, Hagrid and sundry other mysterious pasts if only JKR would send someone up to forage in that file! Surely Dobby, at least, could sneak into Filch's office and start rummaging... Not that it worked out that way... I'm noticing that a lot of the Weasley posts share coding with parenting and child development. Is anyone around who did that section? I was just wondering if both codes would be appropriate, or if parenting was mostly a Weasley section anyway. Kathy W From annemehr at yahoo.com Fri Dec 30 16:23:31 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:23:31 -0000 Subject: Parenting/child development Was:Re: Posts That Came True In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm noticing that a lot of the Weasley posts share coding with > parenting and child development. Is anyone around who did that section? > I was just wondering if both codes would be appropriate, or if > parenting was mostly a Weasley section anyway. > > Kathy W > Well, there are certainly plenty of Harry-related posts in there, too. And, if they're mostly about how someone treated Harry as opposed to about Harry himself, then they are NOT also still coded to Harry anymore. Anne who plowed bravely through a morass of SHIPping and Who-Is-Harry's-BESTEST-Best-Friend posts to emerge joyfully into the realm of the Spying Game/MAGIC DISHWASHER From elfundeb at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 18:19:18 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:19:18 -0000 Subject: Parenting/child development Was:Re: Posts That Came True In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > > > I'm noticing that a lot of the Weasley posts share coding with > > parenting and child development. Is anyone around who did that section? > > I was just wondering if both codes would be appropriate, or if > > parenting was mostly a Weasley section anyway. Debbie, shaking the cobwebs out of her brain: That section *does* sound a bit familiar. IIRC, the posts were heavy on the Weasleys, but that's not surprising since Molly is the primary mother image in the series (of the live ones, anyway). In particular, I think the thread you've been working on was heavily focused on Molly's parenting style. I think the double coding is appropriate. (Weasleys should have lots of sibling dynamic posts that wouldn't be in the parenting category, right?) Anne: > Well, there are certainly plenty of Harry-related posts in there, too. > And, if they're mostly about how someone treated Harry as opposed to > about Harry himself, then they are NOT also still coded to Harry anymore. Debbie: There are also a number of Malfoy and Dursley posts in the parenting section, as well as posts about Harry's father figures, and probably some others I've forgotten by now. Debbie, wishing everyone a very happy New Year