[HPFGU-Catalogue] Hermione/Ron and the trio

[Sean Dwyer]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:39:49PM -0000, CarolynWhite2 wrote:

> Carolyn:
> This is an interesting problem, indeed. Thanks for bringing it up. 
> What do other people think about having a 'Trio dynamics' category as 
> part of the characterisation section 1.4? This would be defined as 
> non-SHIP interactions? How would we differentiate between this and 
> 1.1.3 Friendship, love & loyalty?
> 
> So, Sean, if you had this, you would then restrict the Ron and 
> Hermione categories to strictly character analysis of each of them as 
> individuals, and presumably, Anne would attempt to do the same with 
> Harry?

Exactly. My idea is that we should be restricting all character codes to posts
specifically about them within reason. Grey areas do occur, for instance, I
don't know that decoding Arthur and Molly for posts clearly naming them but
generally treating them as a couple for the purposes of parallels is going too
far (eg 33446)? The other case is where topics of parenting are involved, but
I think I've dealt with most of that with Molly, but it may pop up again with
Ginny and Ron when I get to them. I see a number of posts apparently
contrasting Weasleys with Malfoys but they're really concerned with what
someone said in passing about Draco or Ron. Harry is a unique problem, he
effectively "sees all", but I'd think Trio dynamics would make Anne's job much
easier.

Most List discussion seems to run in the direction of these parallels or
interpretation of canon, and often the characters involved are signposts to
that. It's interesting that we're only finding out what the real categories
are by indirection from character categories!

The Trio is a special case. There are complex issues with each character that
only come to light in the context of the Trio, and again I hope to hear from
Ginger about her view from the SHIPing side, but to take yet another example:
there's a fair amount of stuff between Ron and Harry that gets mixed up with
Hermione because she is mediating (eg the Great Fight), and vice-versa
(Crookshankgate). Others get thrown into the mix whenever either a SHIPper or
a non-combatant want to make a point about a Trio interaction (viz. Ron vs.
Harry because of Molly). Most of their character development (from the List's
POV) is in the Trio context too. And then there's the use of the Trio in
discussions concerning parallels with the Maurauders, rule-breaking in
general, the list goes on. So much of Hermione is only in Trio context, and I
have the same sinking feeling about Ron. It shouldn't have come as a great
surprise, I suppose, but it is one.

1.1.3 can code to DD's loyalty to Hagrid or Snape. Or Sirius. Or you could
stretch Krum and Hermione into there. What about the OotP group?  IOW, it's
much too general for the Trio, it would be on every post.

> Carolyn:
> They do have their own category - ie, their individual chapter 
> heading. Jen has taken on all the chapter categories, and will tackle 
> the problem from that perspective. You should only be decoding for 
> Ron and Hermione (or whoever), from the perspective of shaping those 
> character's sections right now. Sorry, maybe misunderstood your 
> question, no time to delve into the posts right now...

You understood (i must be able to communicate at last:)) Good-oh. Thought that
might be the case. 

Sean

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