From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Jun 1 01:51:11 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 01:51:11 -0000 Subject: Project thingummy/Definitions files/snipe-fests/auto re-numbering/kids/Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn (sighing rather gloomily): > I am pretty nervous about launching the catalogue unless every > category has been checked and cleaned up relatively recently - > particularly the very large ones (and yes, I am guilty of losing the > will to live on Voldemort, I will finish it). > It's a tall order, to finish up to GOF, review all the sections *and* > hope that Paul and Tim get their stuff done by 16th July. Probably we > should moderate our expectations somewhat. I am chasing various > people offlist to see if we can get a bigger team on the project > again, but RL etc.. Jen: So, um....should we go back to reviewing then? Or are you saying, keep coding new posts but review at the same time? I think I can do both, especially once GOF is done and my review sections will be smaller. I noticed there are quite a few smaller review categories still open. Some of the posts I made a unilateral decision about while reviewing GOF were posts on Crouch jr, Viktor/Fleur/Cedric, Good/Evil, mortality/immortality--all sections no one has chosen to review yet. I guess the big question is, are people who took review categories working on them or would it be better to put them back in the pot for the rest of us to sort out? Anne is working on Harry for sure, and you'll finish Voldemort. You're contacting Talisman about Snape and Boyd about Dumbledore? Those were the biggies left if I remember correctly. And Ginger is taking on that snuggly bunny Lupin. ;) I'm signed up for characterization, so will do that next or maybe take a few smaller categories first. > Carolyn: > Do you know, I can't remember for the life of me how I learnt to > spell. Since it was nearly half a century ago (OMG...) I suspect we > did it the traditional way by copying words off the blackboard. I > have no recall of a phonetic approach at all, but I can remember as > clear as day the moment I first learnt to read properly. I was about > 4 or 5 I think and standing at my teacher's desk, and suddenly it all > just clicked and I read a whole page to her. Had my nose in a book > ever since. Jen: 4 or 5? Wow! I've heard about people like you. Even by today's standards where they expect kids to be reading by the end of Kinder, 4-5 is pretty precocious. Carolyn: > Hm, on the topic of children, as you may know I lead a sheltered life > (ie avoid 'em like the plague), but saw a friend recently who insists > on producing them at regular intervals, and joy, the eldest (now 11) > said he'd read HP. Aha, I thought, a member of the target audience. > Enthusiastically I started questioning him what he thought of OOP, > hoping for juvenile insights into What It Was All About. He just > looked at me scathingly and said HP was *so* last year..and his > mother said they'd never bothered to buy OOP. Crushed or what. Jen: Awww, too sad. I questioned a child recently who assured me he'd read the books. He opened the conversation by telling me the name of the new book was "The Half-Blood Prince." I asked him if he thought there was any chance Professor Lupin was the HBP, and he said, "who's Professor Lupin?" *Sigh* Well he was *7*, maybe his mom didn't actually get to POA yet. I hope. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 1 17:57:49 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:57:49 -0000 Subject: Project thingummy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > > I guess the big question is, are people who took review categories > working on them or would it be better to put them back in the pot > for the rest of us to sort out? Anne is working on Harry for sure, > and you'll finish Voldemort. You're contacting Talisman about Snape > and Boyd about Dumbledore? Those were the biggies left if I remember > correctly. And Ginger is taking on that snuggly bunny Lupin. ;) I'm > signed up for characterization, so will do that next or maybe take a > few smaller categories first. Emails have been sent ... I have taken unilateral decisions and removed some names from sections, so there are now more up for grabs. Please help yourself. Have also issued general call for help to those slumbering quietly at the back of class. Personally, I prefer to do a bit of coding, then a bit of reviewing, for variety, but up to you.. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Jun 1 18:00:29 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:00:29 -0000 Subject: Priori Incantatem Message-ID: I'm in the middle of chap. 34 and realized many of the posts are coded to both the chapter heading and the category 'Priori Incantatem' under Spells. ****L.O.O.N warning**** I'm thinking we need to change the one on the spell section to "Priori Incantato" to distinguish between the spell Mr. Diggory cast on Winky's wand and the reverse spell effect seen in the graveyard. It wouldn't matter except there's discussion on the list around the same time reminding people to distinguish between the actual spell and the brother wand effect. Then I'll uncode the posts in Priori Incantatem to Priori Incantato and there won't be confusion. Also, having all these posts in one category will be a great way to point people in the right direction when asking, 'what discussion was there on the list about the James/Lily wand order when it was first published?' It *is* interesting to read all the ways people tried to make the mistake work before finding out it was a mistake!! So I'm expecting soon the discussion will lead to coding under 'differences between editions' too, as well as the chapter. Interesting. Jen, a loony-bird at heart. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 1 19:18:10 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 19:18:10 -0000 Subject: Priori Incantatem/Incantato In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > > I'm thinking we need to change the one on the spell section > to "Priori Incantato" to distinguish between the spell Mr. Diggory > cast on Winky's wand and the reverse spell effect seen in the > graveyard. It wouldn't matter except there's discussion on the list > around the same time reminding people to distinguish between the > actual spell and the brother wand effect. > Carolyn: Hm... have given you the new category..hope you are sure about this! Here's a couple of health warnings, direct from the JKR site: Q: How do you remember everything from different books when you are still writing the HP series? A: As obsessive fans will tell you, I do slip up! Several classrooms move floors mysteriously between books and these are the least serious continuity errors! Most of the fansites will point you in the direction of my mistakes. But the essentials remain consistent from book to book because the story has been plotted for a long time and it is clear in my mind. Q: what about the spells in the films? Did you invent those or did Steve Kloves? And why were new incantations created for the movie in the first place? A: Spells in the films ? there I've lost track. Steve invented some and I gave him others. Some of the new incantations, such as `lacarnum inflamari' must have sounded more dramatic onscreen ? although by the time you've managed to say `lacarnum inflamari', you've surely lost precious seconds in which the Devil's Snare might have throttled you. But that's showbiz. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 1 21:28:02 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:28:02 -0000 Subject: Ha, Anne the closet conspiracy theorist.. Message-ID: >From 49251: > Annemher took another sip of her neglected tea and came to the > point. > "I like MD as a theory, especially if you can help me with that > one question I raised. But I don't see how I can choose it over > the other two. They are all perfectly valid under canon as far as > I can see, and I only have emotional reasons for preferring the > first one. I can't say that I > think any one of them is more likely to be truer than the others. > I certainly believe in the Safe House, and I like the fact that > the dishwasher is here. And, I am prepared to defend its > existence if it's attacked. So where does that leave me? > > "Pip and Melody, do you believe that MD is THE correct theory, > until proven otherwise? - or is it just A valid theory to you? Am > I a candidate for the Safe House or a friendly visitor when I come > to the 'BAY?" Pip grins. "Well, as I said when I opened this place up, back in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/40421 The Safe House is open to all spying and/or conspiracy theorists, whether or not they decide to wash their own dishes. I think anyone with a theory that Lucius Malfoy has secretly taken over St. Mungo's and is using it to hold inconvenient witnesses incommunicado is pretty far along the 'secret conspiracy of DE's to take over the WW' route. Would you like to be the madwoman in the attic? " Pip winked, to show she didn't mean it entirely seriously. "I think we have a vacancy." Pip!Squeak From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Jun 2 00:18:13 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:18:13 -0000 Subject: Priori Incantatem/Incantato In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen: > > I'm thinking we need to change the one on the spell section > > to "Priori Incantato" to distinguish between the spell Mr. Diggory > > cast on Winky's wand and the reverse spell effect seen in the > > graveyard. It wouldn't matter except there's discussion on the list > > around the same time reminding people to distinguish between the > > actual spell and the brother wand effect. > Carolyn: > Hm... have given you the new category..hope you are sure about this! Jen: Hey wait! You did this to me about re-coding the age categories too. Argue with me, convince me I'm wrong. ;) I'm not saying we have to do it a certain way if people have doubts. Just throwing out the information I have and expecting feedback. What do you think would be wrong here? From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 2 08:14:54 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:14:54 -0000 Subject: Priori Incantatem/Incantato In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > Jen: > > > I'm thinking we need to change the one on the spell section > > > to "Priori Incantato" to distinguish between the spell Mr. > Diggory > > > cast on Winky's wand and the reverse spell effect seen in the > > > graveyard. It wouldn't matter except there's discussion on the > list > > > around the same time reminding people to distinguish between the > > > actual spell and the brother wand effect. > > > > Carolyn: > > Hm... have given you the new category..hope you are sure about > this! > > Jen: Hey wait! You did this to me about re-coding the age categories > too. Argue with me, convince me I'm wrong. ;) Carolyn: My thought is that it is more of JKR's cod Latin - a sort of declension on the lines of 'Amo, amas, amat' etc. Incantato could be a first-person command - Mr Diggory initiated the spell with his own wand, instructing it to reveal its last spell. Incantatem could be a kind of third person, or neuter situation where the spell occurs without the conscious wish of the protagonists, or as happened in the graveyard, when the wands are made with the same core. Or the difference in wording could simply be a mistake on JKR's part - she has said she doesn't believe in magic and makes it up to suit herself. Question - is it useful to searchers to separate the two, or would they prefer one section and see all such different views together? We could call it Priori incantatem/incantato to make clear we know there is a canon difference. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Jun 2 12:17:24 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:17:24 -0000 Subject: Priori Incantatem/Incantato In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn: > My thought is that it is more of JKR's cod Latin - a sort of > declension on the lines of 'Amo, amas, amat' etc. Incantato could be > a first-person command - Mr Diggory initiated the spell with his own > wand, instructing it to reveal its last spell. Incantatem could be a > kind of third person, or neuter situation where the spell occurs > without the conscious wish of the protagonists, or as happened in the > graveyard, when the wands are made with the same core. > > Or the difference in wording could simply be a mistake on JKR's part - > she has said she doesn't believe in magic and makes it up to suit > herself. > > Question - is it useful to searchers to separate the two, or would > they prefer one section and see all such different views together? We > could call it Priori incantatem/incantato to make clear we know there > is a canon difference. Jen: Ah, OK. I see why the hesitation. One thought I had while coding last night was having one category called Priori Incantato and name the other the Reverse Spell effect so there's no confusion. But, reading your thoughts, it's probably better just to combine the two. You know, if we get too complicated....*sigh* we'll just end up answering a bunch of questions. About the whole wand order debate. I noticed you coded a few OT-ish posts in the chapter review section to round out the discussion on whether it was a mistake or not. I saw a couple of others rejected on OT grounds that I might include too. One very small thread was started by a guy who actually had e-mail access to JKR's assistant 'Fiddy' at the time and got 'offical' confirmation--those were the days, huh?!! At first I thought it was a joke but the thread is him, Penny and Amy Z. (I think) discussing his return e- mail so I'm thinking it's legitimate. Anyone mind including just a couple more of these? It has historical value, I think ;). Jen From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 2 13:09:56 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:09:56 -0000 Subject: Project thingummy/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Carolyn (sighing rather gloomily): > > I am pretty nervous about launching the catalogue unless every > > category has been checked and cleaned up relatively recently - > > particularly the very large ones > > Potioncat sighing with pessimism: I agree. I think our gung-ho, can-do attitude should drive us to have the coding done by our target date and as much of the reviews as possible too. Then, I think we should (we? I mean Carolyn of course, not me at all) should decide if the launch should go ahead or be scheduled for a later date, after a test run of sorts. We want this to be the best product possible. If we launch at the same time as HBP comes out, no one will notice. No one will use it. Everyone will be reading and posting as fast as they can, and researching past posts will be the last thing on their minds. If, however, we launch just as everyone is coming up for air, it will be a new HP toy for them to use. I also think we should be clear that this is a catalogue of themes, and a good sampling of posts. Perhaps with a brief description of the overwhelming numbers of posts we looked at. My HP fan story. The very friend who encouraged me to read HP for myself stopped reading after PoA because she didn't enjoy them once they became so dark (that's OK, at least she didn't join a discussion group and complain about them endlessly) I was commenting on HBP and telling her how upset my family was when I got lost in OoP. I said I wished I could go away for the weekend, stay at a hotel by myself and just read. She became very enthusiastic and said, "Oh yes, you should do that! I insist you do that!" but when I added that I couldn't go away the weekend it comes out because my kids are coming back from camp, her reply was, "Well, you don't have to start reading it the very first day it comes out, do you?" Coding Issues: Someone said they had coded something just for the historical nature of it. I did the same thing. In an intense thread about canon and subversive reading, ADMIN came out with one of those friendly reminders and made a statement concerning HPfGU's policy about interpretations. Normally that sort of thing is rejected/ADMIN, but it fit so well, I kept it. RL has kept me from the coding machine. I should be back in good coding form next week. After that I'll take a look at the review lists. Kathy W. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Thu Jun 2 15:58:51 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:58:51 -0000 Subject: LOONs Message-ID: I can't find anything in any of the files or with Yahoo!Mort in the posts about how to code L.O.O.N. memoranda. Do they count as significant pieces of site history? Just for a laugh, TBAY, or reject as OT? Dot From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 2 16:01:40 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:01:40 -0000 Subject: LOONs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" wrote: > I can't find anything in any of the files or with Yahoo!Mort in the > posts about how to code L.O.O.N. memoranda. Do they count as > significant pieces of site history? Just for a laugh, TBAY, or reject > as OT? > > Dot Entirely at your whim. I usually find them funny (especially from Headmistress Amanda)..but whether they have merit..up to you! From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 2 20:29:26 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:29:26 -0000 Subject: UPDATE FOR MEG, June 1st Message-ID: Would one of you passing elves pick this up and take over to MEG? ****************************************************************** PROGRESS ON CATALOGUING PROJECT AS AT 1st June 2005 56561 posts catalogued in total 30974 posts rejected in total (54.7%) 3534 posts catalogued in May We have reached post 50400 on the main list. The group currently still has 26 members, although about a third are currently not active for various reasons. The coding process continues to pick up momentum, and we have set ourselves a new target: to try and code up to the release of GOF (post 61393), by the time HBP is published on July 16th - ie another 10993 posts over the next 7 weeks. This is just do-able, at approximately 1500 posts per week. We are also attempting to complete our category reviews by that date: currently we have completed 54 of our 106 review sections. We feel that these would be major milestones to achieve before many people go AWOL to enjoy the HBP discussion. If at all possible, we would also like to launch a beta version of the catalogue in July assuming we hit these targets. However, a launch is totally dependent on the tech team, Paul & Tim, completing the programming for a UI that everyone feels happy with. Work is progressing on this, but fairly slowly. ******************************************************************* From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 3 08:11:19 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:11:19 -0000 Subject: UPDATE FOR MEG, June 1st/Correction please note! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: Um, please could you make sure this corrected version goes to MEG, NOT the last version: post 61393 is of course the last one prior to the publication of *OOP*, not GOF. We are not that far behind... > Would one of you passing elves pick this up and take over to MEG? > > ****************************************************************** > PROGRESS ON CATALOGUING PROJECT AS AT 1st June 2005 > > 56561 posts catalogued in total > 30974 posts rejected in total (54.7%) > 3534 posts catalogued in May > > We have reached post 50400 on the main list. > > The group currently still has 26 members, although about a third are > currently not active for various reasons. > > The coding process continues to pick up momentum, and we have set > ourselves a new target: to try and code up to the release of OOP > (post 61393), by the time HBP is published on July 16th - ie another > 10993 posts over the next 7 weeks. This is just do-able, at > approximately 1500 posts per week. > > We are also attempting to complete our category reviews by that date: > currently we have completed 54 of our 106 review sections. > > We feel that these would be major milestones to achieve before many > people go AWOL to enjoy the HBP discussion. If at all possible, we > would also like to launch a beta version of the catalogue in July > assuming we hit these targets. > > However, a launch is totally dependent on the tech team, Paul & Tim, > completing the programming for a UI that everyone feels happy with. > Work is progressing on this, but fairly slowly. > > ******************************************************************* From kakearney at comcast.net Fri Jun 3 15:18:49 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:18:49 -0000 Subject: 3.16.3 post movement complete Message-ID: I've finished moving all the 3.16.3 posts to their proper location. The final post counts are a little off from my original on-paper tally, which means I'll probably get a list of improperl rejected/coded posts at the next weekly update :). The current numbers are 3.16.3 Admission process: 101 posts 3.16.3.1 Funding and tuition: 59 posts 3.16.3.2 Overall School Population: 112 posts I've also updated the database with my new category definitions. Okay, deep breath, time to dive into 3.16.4... -Kelly From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 18:59:49 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:59:49 -0000 Subject: Darksword Message-ID: Hi. I was coding, and someone mentioned a comparison with the Darksword Trilogy. It sounded like science fiction, so that's where I coded it, but as I am not familiar with it, I may be wrong. If anyone is familiar with it, could you let me know so I can either change it or sleep easier? It was message 50572, in case anyone is interested. Not a heck of a lot was said, but I'm feeling anal today. Ginger, off to leave town for the weekend as soon as she dresses and packs! From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 4 02:25:11 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 12:25:11 +1000 Subject: put another penguin on the fire Message-ID: <20050604022511.GA11146@4dot0.net> 48401-48500 finished 71 rejects Not content with throwing my life into confusion, Fate added a nice heavy dose of the flu this week which is why my coding has been slow yet AGAIN. To my horror, when I finally ginned up the energy, I found I was trawling through a morass of mediocre idiocy, mostly concerning where the heck Durmstrang was. Sometimes when an Author merely paints a broad stroke or two, it is meant as an interesting "unexplained vista" (to quote Tolkien), not as a starting point for moronic and confused guesswork. Not all is lost, there were some thoughtful posts like diamonds in dung. I gave FP rating to #48453 because without directly saying so, it suggests DD as Loki-in-charge, a bit more interesting than "superlative mastermind" groan snore. And in #48494 we have a question that never even occurred to me: what is Hermione's wand made of? And for Beatles fans, an entertaining filk at #48490. Taking 51201-51300. May I also take this opportunity to give enthusiastic penguin flappings and eeks to Ginger for apparently ascending to Coding Goddess (oooh!), may her mouse hand never falter, bows and scrapes and more eeks of deference. * Is 71 rejects the record yet? * Eeks of DeferenceTM is a Trademark of PenguinFriends Inc. Have you eeked your penguin today? -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Jun 4 21:09:20 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 21:09:20 -0000 Subject: Phonetics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > > On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do you > learn to spell by sound rather than letter? My sister works in a > popular destination for British tourists (well, tourists of all > nationality, really, but half of the UK seems to migrate there at > certain times of the year). And she's noticed that when she asks > young kids to spell their names, they don't use letters, but sounds. > For example, my name would be k at -e-@l- at l-j@ rather than > keI-i:-el-el-waI. Is this a widespread technique for learning to > spell over there? > Coincidentally with you raising this question, an immense row has broken out about this topic in the UK this week. I am only loosely following it to be honest, but those of you interested in kids' education might like to peruse this blog item for starters: http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/007625.html ..erm, don't ask me to defend the politics of this site, but there's no doubt it's lively. I particularly enjoy their Social Responsibility statement (see RH margin). Carolyn From kakearney at comcast.net Sat Jun 4 23:14:03 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:14:03 -0000 Subject: Phonetics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kelly: > > On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do you > > learn to spell by sound rather than letter? My sister works in a > > popular destination for British tourists (well, tourists of all > > nationality, really, but half of the UK seems to migrate there at > > certain times of the year). And she's noticed that when she asks > > young kids to spell their names, they don't use letters, but sounds. > > For example, my name would be k at -e-@l- at l-j@ rather than > > keI-i:-el-el-waI. Is this a widespread technique for learning to > > spell over there? Carolyn: > Coincidentally with you raising this question, an immense row has > broken out about this topic in the UK this week. I am only loosely > following it to be honest, but those of you interested in kids' > education might like to peruse this blog item for starters: > > http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/007625.html Interesting. Although, to clarify, I wasn't referring to learning phonics vs. whole-word/whole-language/other-stuff-that-doesn't-work methods; I was referring to was simply learning the alphabet with alternative names for the letters. I had to learn phonics in elementary school, and although it was one of my least favorite subjects at the time, I'm very grateful for it (and now, ironically, I love studying linguistics and languages in my spare time). I moved from Pennsylvania to Maryland after 5th grade, where my fellow students had never learned basic phonics. It was blatantly obvious in my Spanish class, where I often had to explain to classmates how and why different parts of speech behaved themselves in *English* to help them understand the Spanish counterparts. -Kelly From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sun Jun 5 07:48:14 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:48:14 +1000 Subject: penguin still on fire Message-ID: <20050605074814.GA10849@4dot0.net> 51201-51300 done 79 rejects Yes! A new record. People will natter to no point about Snape, which character they hate and how much Snape respects Dumbledore (notice a theme developing?). That said, there are _still_ good posts here: #51215 makes some good points about the Grangers (lack of) involvement in Hermione's life, #51216 gives the Geistmeister's POV on cruelty in the Potterverse, #51224 almost borders on "Hogwarts: A History", and #51227 where Debbie admits she hates Harry (but actually gives good reasons for it unlike some). Only one filk, sadly. There seems to be a lot of aimless yammering at this point in List Time (apparently a recurring event). Taking 51401-51500. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Jun 5 13:02:42 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:02:42 -0000 Subject: Project 61393/Gender/penguin etc. In-Reply-To: <20050605074814.GA10849@4dot0.net> Message-ID: Miss Havisham listened from behind her door. Jen seemed to be coping well with her new role. At the weekend she would ask for a progress report on Project 61393, the catchy title for finishing the pre-OOP posts before 16th July. My contribution to Project 61393: I promise each week either to catalogue 100 posts or to complete one of the review categories on my list. And to stash some single malt whisky for the celebration when the project is complete. Current report: At long last, I've finished reviewing "Portrayal of Males/Females". It's been chopped down to 263 from 400 plus. I think I could have done better, though. Blame the dull blade on my axe. Some of these posts just got pushed to Sexual Orientation, including some Perversion in the Graveyard posts. Since some of these posts suggest that the homoerotic undertones are more about rape than sexual orientation, I propose to delete the code and leave them coded solely to Voldemort. Any objections? I'll take my axe in for sharpening before beginning this review. The Penguin wrote: #51227 where Debbie admits she hates Harry (but > actually gives good reasons for it unlike some). Wait a minute! I don't really hate Harry! For the record, I wrote: "I don't dislike Harry at all; however, there is something about Harry's character that *does* rub me the wrong way: I don't like his archetype." >Only one filk, sadly. But there were two *excellent* filks just this week. Take a bow, Dungrollin and Ginger. There > seems to be a lot of aimless yammering at this point in List Time (apparently > a recurring event). Like now? Seriously, I've been tempted to add to the top of some of the pending messages I've approved, "Note to Cataloguers: Tedious repetition. Reject without reading." Carolyn . . snorted with delight to find > Debbie's extensive 'meaning of quidditch' post [48192]. Now, > Elfundeb..do you want this coded to any of the literary analysis > categories? I have put it under foreshadowing, but was wondering > about plot development perhaps. BTW, you got an FP from me, anyway! I've become quite a minimalist coder, so I think the categories you chose are fine. And thank you! I have a rather odd attachment to some of my old posts, including this one, but it's impossible to be objective about them. Dot: > > I can't find anything in any of the files or with Yahoo!Mort in the > > posts about how to code L.O.O.N. memoranda. Do they count as > > significant pieces of site history? Just for a laugh, TBAY, or reject > > as OT? I vote to save at least the funny ones, as a reflection of list culture. Though not technically TBAY, they are TBAY-ish. (despite the fact that Amanda claimed she could not write in TBAY style). Debbie who must put in a good word for that bad-ass huggy bunny Lupin From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sun Jun 5 15:00:24 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 01:00:24 +1000 Subject: do i detect the smell of burning penguin Message-ID: <20050605150024.GB10849@4dot0.net> 51401-51500 done 60 rejects (i must be slipping) Some of the awful threads from the last batch continued into this one: Snape is poison to any discussion, which quickly devolves into name-calling and suspicion. The Geistmeister strikes again in #51408, in which, although borderline OT, she gave such a good exposition on the continuing problems of List culture that i gave it an FP. See also a fascinating series starting at #51452 by Petra Pan, which threads a thin line between fanfic comparison with Potterverse and serious literary analysis (all hail affective fallacy ). Taking 51501-51600. Some Debbie points: > Wait a minute! I don't really hate Harry! For the record, I wrote: "I > don't dislike Harry at all; however, there is something about Harry's > character that *does* rub me the wrong way: I don't like his archetype." Point taken Debbie, I was talking more about your reasons, not your opinion. Your post survived the culling of most of that thread, so weak was the debate sadly. > Like now? Seriously, I've been tempted to add to the top of some of the > pending messages I've approved, "Note to Cataloguers: Tedious repetition. > Reject without reading." Yes, I blame the onset of another volume in the canon. Uncertain statements are pounced upon and discarded in a distracted whirl; people are trying to set up their positions without looking like they'll be stuck with them if proven wrong; and then everyone has a good bicker about Snape and Lupin. And another 200 posts go sailing by... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Jun 5 18:02:19 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:02:19 -0000 Subject: GOF Review Message-ID: Whew! Finally finished. Start: 1856 After review: 1393 It looks like I took a machete to the category, doesn't it? Most were uncoded to a chapter for a variety of reasons and the rest were rejected for FAQ reasons. I've also updated the Chapter Coding Guide to include GOF. Sorry I couldn't think of a better format than just to list each chapter individually so it *is* 12 pages long. But it will likely be worth the paper to print this and avoid the cumbersome task of paging through each book. Here's the link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/files/ (Click on chapter coding guide, 6th down the list) Last few thoughts on chapter coding: **Chapter summaries and responses don't need to be coded to anything else but the chapter, unless a post takes one of the questions and goes off on a tangent. I don't see these as being the same as a Multiple post, where each answer needs to be coded individually. **I only kept posts coded to a chapter IF they are actually dissecting and event within that chapter. If a canon point from a chapter is cited as part of a larger argument, i.e. Fudge is Evil based on his behavior throughout GOF, one example being the scene in "The Parting of the Ways", then I uncoded to the chapters. Sometimes longer posts *do* analyze particular events in canon as part of the argument, and those I kept coded to the chapter. But if the canon point is just be cited with a passing reference to how it fits into the theory, I'd say don't code to the chapter. Jen From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 5 19:08:34 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:08:34 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 5th Message-ID: PROGRESS 57777 posts coded; 31844 rejected. Reject rate up to 55.1% from last week's 54.7%. With five people coding we did 1216 posts this week, and reached post 51700, so that's 9693 posts to go in the next six weeks, an average of 1615 posts per week. Two more review sections completed - we have now done 56 of 106 topics. CODING ERRORS Can you check the reject status on: Sean: 51251 KathySnow: 49580 Debbie: 47564, 29031 From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 03:09:38 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 03:09:38 -0000 Subject: Reject rate prediction Message-ID: If I recall, the months before the release of OoP were very heavy on rejectable posts. There were a lot of "what is your favourite..." threads, as well as unsubstantiated predictions (as opposed to the codable ones). I plan on rejecting heavily anything that doesn't have a healthy bit of solid canon and/or reasoning, preferably both. Ginger, feeling fuzzy and flushing fuscia from frantic flipper- flapping from the flu-fallen fowl, and forwarding fond "feel-betters" for our fine feathered friend. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Mon Jun 6 03:55:12 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:55:12 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Reject rate prediction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050606035512.GD10849@4dot0.net> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 03:09:38AM -0000, quigonginger wrote: > If I recall, the months before the release of OoP were very heavy on > rejectable posts. There were a lot of "what is your favourite..." > threads, as well as unsubstantiated predictions (as opposed to the > codable ones). I plan on rejecting heavily anything that doesn't have > a healthy bit of solid canon and/or reasoning, preferably both. mmmm me too! > Ginger, feeling fuzzy and flushing fuscia from frantic flipper- > flapping from the flu-fallen fowl, and forwarding fond "feel-betters" > for our fine feathered friend. I'm sorry, could you say that again _really fast_?? And thank you, I'm feeling better although I find I still sound like my voice hasn't broken :) -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Mon Jun 6 05:06:47 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:06:47 +1000 Subject: hot penguin in the city Message-ID: <20050606050647.GE10849@4dot0.net> 51501-51600 done 62 rejects More ghastly threads on who we love to hate, the evilness of Draco, the Snappiness of Snape etc. I forgot to mention an interesting thread starting at #51471 and ending here at #51528 concerning how the rules of Quidditch deal with *two* injured Seekers, or two *dead* ones. Turns out that unless the Captains agree, the match would never stop. Whether they'd agree to have replacement Seekers is another question that Canon refuses to answer. Apart from that and a couple of voices in the wilderness, this batch was a lost cause too. Maybe it gets even worse from here... taking 51901-52000. My feathers are sizzling, I may have to slow down. When is that dratted new Jasper Fforde novel coming? It might prevent spontaneous penguin combustion... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 6 05:37:43 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 05:37:43 -0000 Subject: Preliminary Lupin Message-ID: Hi. Delving into the Lupin category, I have checked out the acronyms, and found them to be either empty (not invented yet) or very small. I am going to hold off on doing anything with them as I may find more buried in the other posts. I have decided to tackle the main heading and the ESE! and Good! headings somewhat simultaniously, a word I have never been able to spell correctly. I am adding the Remus Lupin code to all the posts in the ESE and Good categories for the time being. This way I have them all in one place and can determine who started it for later coding. I have a feeling some that are in the categories may end up being moved when all is said and done, and this seemed the most efficient way of dealing with them. I have not moved or uncoded anything at this time. So, just for now, if any of you come across a post that you wish to code as Good or ESE, could you also code it to Remus Lupin as well? Thanks! I also have 2 questions: Does ESE!Lupin also need to be coded to ESE! if no one but Lupin is being discussed as ESE? When all is said and done, will the Remus Lupin code be applied to posts that only discuss his Good- or ESE- ness? Or will they be coded to Remus Lupin only if they discuss other aspects of his character? Let me know, and I'll take those notes now as I go through them so as to make the changes quickly in the end. Ginger, hoping Sean's voice is fixed soon. From elfundeb at comcast.net Mon Jun 6 17:37:09 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:37:09 -0000 Subject: do i detect the smell of burning penguin In-Reply-To: <20050605150024.GB10849@4dot0.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > Point taken Debbie, I was talking more about your reasons, not your opinion. > Your post survived the culling of most of that thread, so weak was the debate > sadly. In your defense, the thread *was* titled, "Why I Hate Harry Potter". Besides, it's bad form to take aim at a flu-ridden penguin. :-( I must borrow your whetstone as my post-hacking rate is sadly below yours. Debbie From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Jun 7 09:42:02 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:42:02 -0000 Subject: Preliminary Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > Hi. > Delving into the Lupin category, I have checked out the acronyms, and > found them to be either empty (not invented yet) or very small. You need to refer to the InishAlley listing for the source post. I just ran my eye down the list and the oldest Lupin acronym seems to be post 57900 (SLURP), and the majority are in the 28000-39000 group of posts, so we should have picked them all up by now. This is an interesting first test of a rule we were going to implement. If an acronym generated under 5 posts, we were going to fold it back into a character head, or a sub-category head, rather than give it so much prominence. Let's see what the situation is with Lupin once you've gone through the sections. > > I am adding the Remus Lupin code to all the posts in the ESE and Good categories for the time being. > > So, just for now, if any of you come across a post that you wish to > code as Good or ESE, could you also code it to Remus Lupin as well? > The technical response to this is that there is no need to code to the main head if a sub-category is coded. The system automatically knows that something is Lupin if a post has a tick from any of his sub-categories. So, ok to do this if it makes your sort-out easier, but no need to retain the coding subsequently. > > Does ESE!Lupin also need to be coded to ESE! if no one but Lupin is > being discussed as ESE? > > When all is said and done, will the Remus Lupin code be applied to > posts that only discuss his Good- or ESE- ness? Or will they be > coded to Remus Lupin only if they discuss other aspects of his > character? > I don't think Debbie has yet reviewed the ESE! section (1.2.4.4), but I suspect that it should be divested of posts about a specific character being ESE, and only contain posts that talk about ESE as a so-called subversive style of reading. In the same way, posts should only be in the Faith section (1.2.4.2) when they are talking about reading the series at face value, or believing the author. This came up before when KathyW did ESE!McGonagall, and it worked well to create a sub-category within the character, but de-check them from the general ESE category. On your last point, it is hard to tell until you have reviewed the section. There is a major body of posts that argue backwards and forwards about his inherent goodness/badness, but no doubt separate from that there may be other categories of post that need different sub-headings (eg lycanthropy, as I said before). Not sure if this helps! Carolyn From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 12:11:15 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Preliminary Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050607121115.88695.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C: You need to refer to the InishAlley listing for the source post. I just ran my eye down the list and the oldest Lupin acronym seems to be post 57900 (SLURP), and the majority are in the 28000-39000 group of posts, so we should have picked them all up by now. G: I have my handy dandy printout of Inish Alley sitting close by. SLURP and Persil Automatic were both empty at the time, but I know I coded to PA last night. C: This is an interesting first test of a rule we were going to implement. If an acronym generated under 5 posts, we were going to fold it back into a character head, or a sub-category head, rather than give it so much prominence. G: Good by me. LIDS, MARATHON SWIMMER and MARATHON SWIMMER'S EYELIDS currently have one post each, and it is the same post, generating and explaining the acronyms. ROTWEILER OF SWITCH also has that post coded to it as well as one other which does an indepth look at the theory. Unless I find others that are keepable and codable, I say we cut them. I'll let you know on that. C:The technical response to this (adding the Lupin code) is that there is no need to code to the main head if a sub-category is coded. The system automatically knows that something is Lupin if a post has a tick from any of his sub-categories. So, ok to do this if it makes your sort-out easier, but no need to retain the coding subsequently. G: yes, this is temporary to help me review more sanely and efficiently. I was thinking that in the end I would remove the Lupin heading from those that were totally ESE! or Good arguements and nothing else. But I'm over 900 posts from that point. C: This came up before when KathyW did ESE!McGonagall, and it worked well to create a sub-category within the character, but de-check them from the general ESE category. G: RogerWilco- will do (unless they are talking about ESE as a reader response). C: Hope this helps. G: Yes, very much. Ginger, who plans to do a pre-review this weekend and weed out the obvious rejects so she can get to the meat of it later, perhaps during the full moon. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elfundeb at comcast.net Tue Jun 7 12:56:20 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:56:20 -0000 Subject: Preliminary Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > I don't think Debbie has yet reviewed the ESE! section (1.2.4.4), but > I suspect that it should be divested of posts about a specific > character being ESE, and only contain posts that talk about ESE as a > so-called subversive style of reading. In the same way, posts should > only be in the Faith section (1.2.4.2) when they are talking about > reading the series at face value, or believing the author. > > This came up before when KathyW did ESE!McGonagall, and it worked > well to create a sub-category within the character, but de-check them > from the general ESE category. I did review 1.2.4.4. back when I was doing Authorial Intent/Subversive Readings. I'm at work so I can't check right now, but I believe I concluded that the best use of the category was to code the initial ESE! posts for each allegedly ESE! character so we'd have them in one place. Unlike Lupin, most of them don't have their own subcategory, so it made sense to capture all the ESE! allegations someplace. But follow-up posts and rebuttals shouldn't be coded there. Does this help? ::makes note to self to double-check the category to make sure I actually finished the ESE! cleanup:: Debbie From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 13:25:33 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Preliminary Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050607132533.73473.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Debbie wrote: I did review 1.2.4.4. back when I was doing Authorial Intent/Subversive Readings. I'm at work so I can't check right now, but I believe I concluded that the best use of the category was to code the initial ESE! posts for each allegedly ESE! character so we'd have them in one place. Unlike Lupin, most of them don't have their own subcategory, so it made sense to capture all the ESE! allegations someplace. But follow-up posts and rebuttals shouldn't be coded there. Does this help? Ginger: Um, so then since Lupin has his own ESE category under his name, he shouldn't be coded there, or perhaps just Pippin's ESE manifesto? I'm not quite sure what you meant there. Sorry, suffering from LOA* right now. *Lack of alcohol. Ginger --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue Jun 7 13:50:26 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:50:26 -0000 Subject: Reject rate prediction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > If I recall, the months before the release of OoP were very heavy on > rejectable posts. There were a lot of "what is your favourite..." > threads, as well as unsubstantiated predictions (as opposed to the > codable ones). I plan on rejecting heavily anything that doesn't have > a healthy bit of solid canon and/or reasoning, preferably both. Jen: boy, you weren't kidding! Over half of my batch was speculation about the 6 sentences released prior to OOTP, the boy in the flowerbed and DD's "Now I will tell you everything." I tried to keep a few for posterity, in predictions-canon and Just for a Laugh (people were intentionally coming up with wild ideas--I wasn't being mean here ). But I'd say the reject rate is definitely going up for awhile. Quite a change from the Crouch Novena/TBAY era. Hey, I'm off to the beach Thursday. Yes, I *know* it's unpaid leave and I'll be on probation and all that....but it will be so worth it ;). I'll think of you all while lounging in the sand, eating shrimp and sleeping until noon. *Sighs* From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 12:07:56 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:07:56 -0000 Subject: Copyright laws Message-ID: I just coded a post in which the poster provided a transcript of an entire JKR interview. Does copying the entire interview (as opposed to a bit of it) violate any copyright laws? It was copied from a website. Does this make a difference? The original was not deleted, so I kind of assumed it was ok, but I just wanted to double check. If it is not, I have written the post number down and I will uncode it. Thanks, Ginger From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Wed Jun 8 14:07:07 2005 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:07:07 -0500 Subject: Reject rate prediction Message-ID: If we're looking for process validation here, we should be checking to see how many boxes are ticked per post on average. THAT has got to be on the decline with all of this reviewing eliminating extra ticks all over the place. Which reminds me, I heard the Tick animated series is returning to the small screen! Not that I'll be able to watch until post-HBP, missus . But if you haven't seen it before, give it a gander. Intelligently stupid, if that's possible. Of course, my wife says that of me all the time, but I'm never sure if it's supposed to be a compliment.... Back to Prophecies now (almost done, then comes the big guy: DD!) Boyd ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kakearney at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 21:04:02 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:04:02 -0000 Subject: 3.16.4.2 - 3.16.4.4 Review Message-ID: Before completely rearranging 3.16.4 (see my next post), I thought I'd get the easy subcategories out of the way. No big problems with any of the following. Actually, 3.16.4.2 may grow a bit, since a quick perusal of 3.16.4.5 shows that the House Cup and Quidditch cup are often confused, both by posters and cataloguers. But for now... 3.16.4.2 House Quidditch teams ------------------------------ Originally: 130 Now: 114 Who's eligible to play, and how are teams chosen? Discussion of individual characters as school quidditch players. Speculation on future players/captains. If only discussing broomsticks and/or quidditch in general, not specifically related to Hogwarts, keep it in 3.10.3 Broomsticks and/or 3.6.1 History, players, balls & rules 3.16.4.3 House Passwords -------------------------- Originally: 15 Now: 14 Who sets them? Who knows them? Why have them in the first place? Discussion of specific passwords. 3.16.4.4 Heads of Houses -------------------------- Originally: 24 Now: 17 Who are they? How are they chosen? What are their responsibilities? -Kelly From kakearney at comcast.net Thu Jun 9 21:13:27 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:13:27 -0000 Subject: New codes for 3.16.4 Message-ID: After initial perusal of the remaining 3.16.4 categories, I've noticed a lot of overlap. Could I get some codes renamed and added? 1) Rename main 3.16.4 category to "School Houses". 2) Add a new subcategory "Sorting process" 3) I think the "Sorting Hat" category, currently 3.16.4.1, should be moved under 3.8.6 Magical items. I want to separate posts discussing the sorting process and decisions made by the hat from those discussing the hat as an entity. If moved, I'd still like to review it, since many posts currently housed there will need to move to my new Sorting process category (I believe Laurasia is reviewing the rest of 3.8.6). -Kelly From kakearney at comcast.net Fri Jun 10 19:33:09 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:33:09 -0000 Subject: New codes for 3.16.4/Coding allocation database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > All seem sensible decisions to me, so have made the changes. Note that > I moved the old 'Sorting Hat' (3.16.4.1) category in its entirety > to 'Magical Items', so you will have to move posts out of it in its new > position (3.8.6.10) if they belong somewhere else. Thanks, that's what I was expecting. Could I ask one more favor? Could you move everything that's currently in 3.16.4 School houses to 3.16.4.1 Sorting process? It will make my review easier, since I already have a few dozen posts marked to move into 3.16.4 but haven't sorted out the posts already there. Thanks, Kelly OT note: Was the last chapter of "The Well of Lost Plots" (34a, I think, the wordstorm through American lit.) really only in the American edition? From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 10 20:19:39 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:19:39 -0000 Subject: New codes for 3.16.4/Coding allocation database In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > > Thanks, that's what I was expecting. Could I ask one more favor? > Could you move everything that's currently in 3.16.4 School houses to > 3.16.4.1 Sorting process? It will make my review easier, since I > already have a few dozen posts marked to move into 3.16.4 but haven't > sorted out the posts already there. > > Thanks, > Kelly > > OT note: Was the last chapter of "The Well of Lost Plots" (34a, I > think, the wordstorm through American lit.) really only in the > American edition? Carolyn: All done. 3.16.4 is now empty - all posts into 3.16.4.1. Re Fforde, yes, it's not in my edition..not fair! Is it good? From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 11 00:43:45 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:43:45 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: New codes for 3.16.4/Coding allocation database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050611004345.GD29260@4dot0.net> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:19:39PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Re Fforde, yes, it's not in my edition..not fair! Is it good? Not fair, precious, we wants it! Has anyone been to the "secret" websites? -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From mgrantwich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 14:08:48 2005 From: mgrantwich at yahoo.com (mgrantwich) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:08:48 -0000 Subject: Is the database page down? Message-ID: I finally have a whole Sunday to myself where I can actually do all the Filch stuff I'm supposed to do - and the database page is unavailable. Should I just keep trying? or is this maintenance? Magda (frustrated at not having enough time to do things in the first place) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 12 15:30:47 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 15:30:47 -0000 Subject: Is the database page down? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "mgrantwich" wrote: > I finally have a whole Sunday to myself where I can actually do all > the Filch stuff I'm supposed to do - and the database page is > unavailable. > > Should I just keep trying? or is this maintenance? > > Magda (frustrated at not having enough time to do things in the first > place) Carolyn: Not having a problem from here - approx an hour after your message.. Try again and if no luck email me and Paul and we'll try and sort the problem. From mgrantwich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 16:48:09 2005 From: mgrantwich at yahoo.com (Magda Grantwich) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Is the database page down? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050612164809.73405.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Carolyn. Okay the page is now up. And I got in. And I did everything according to the document I got when I signed up: "Exploring the site 10. Once you are in either the club or the group, enter a number in the box top left and hit GO. You will find the text of the post comes up, and also a cataloguing menu to the left of the screen. 11. When a post has been rejected, its title appears grey in the list top left. When it has been accepted and coded up, it appears in green. When it has not been done yet, it just appears black. As you roll your cursor over them, they highlight in red, so you know which one to click if you want to call it up on the main screen. You can pull up any post by entering its number in the box and hitting Go. " Okay obviously I'm doing something wrong because I can do everything up to #10 but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do next. Because there's nothing "live" or "activated" that I can see - just lists that I can't do anything to. I don't have the computer terminology to even phrase the question properly but how am I to remove codes when I can't click on them? I went to Files on the main page but from what I can see most of the info there relates to definitions and not to make-it-work info. I'm almost in tears here because I feel stupid and frustrated and don't know what to do. Magda __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 12 16:48:20 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:48:20 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 12th & sundry responses Message-ID: PROGRESS We have now coded 59624 posts and rejected 32881 (55.1%). This week, with 7 people coding we did 1847 posts. We have 8898 posts to do by July 16th - an average of 1780 per week in order to reach the pre-OOP publication point. Health warning:- I have some tedious tasks to do this week and to keep sane (?), I am going to intersperse them with heavy coding, the two play each other off quite nicely (eg I did 1000 posts in the last couple of days). I am trying to get the 8898 posts finished very quickly, so we can have a cut off point for the reviews we are doing. Any help in this assault would be much appreciated. ************** Ginger: If I recall, the months before the release of OoP were very heavy on rejectable posts. There were a lot of "what is your favourite..." threads, as well as unsubstantiated predictions (as opposed to the codable ones). I plan on rejecting heavily anything that doesn't have a healthy bit of solid canon and/or reasoning, preferably both. Carolyn: I am rejecting very heavily at present. The standard has plummetted abruptly apart from sundry Crouch Novenna follow-ups, and a very funny TBAY written as a spoof of Bilbo Baggins leaving Middle Earth, where Cindy is persuaded to stay on by Pip & Co promising her sundry Bangs and other explosions. Boyd: If we're looking for process validation here, we should be checking to see how many boxes are ticked per post on average. THAT has got to be on the decline with all of this reviewing eliminating extra ticks all over the place. Carolyn: Would be nice, I agree. I'll ask Paul if he can provide the technology. However, erm, having difficulty getting any responses out of the tech team at present. ::glares around:: That'll be because they are working hard on the UI, of course... *********** Carolyn: > I don't think Debbie has yet reviewed the ESE! section (1.2.4.4), but > I suspect that it should be divested of posts about a specific > character being ESE, and only contain posts that talk about ESE as a > so-called subversive style of reading. In the same way, posts should > only be in the Faith section (1.2.4.2) when they are talking about > reading the series at face value, or believing the author. > > This came up before when KathyW did ESE!McGonagall, and it worked > well to create a sub-category within the character, but de-check them > from the general ESE category. Debbie: I did review 1.2.4.4. back when I was doing Authorial Intent/Subversive Readings. I'm at work so I can't check right now, but I believe I concluded that the best use of the category was to code the initial ESE! posts for each allegedly ESE! character so we'd have them in one place. Unlike Lupin, most of them don't have their own subcategory, so it made sense to capture all the ESE! allegations someplace. But follow-up posts and rebuttals shouldn't be coded there. Ginger: Um, so then since Lupin has his own ESE category under his name, he shouldn't be coded there, or perhaps just Pippin's ESE manifesto? I'm not quite sure what you meant there. Carolyn: I checked our definitions files, and this was your comment when you had done, followed by my response. Basically, we didn't make a final decision: Debbie (previously): Only subcategory worth a mention is 1.2.4.4. ESE! I cut it down from 94 to 84, but the real problem with this category is not that it's too fat; it's too lean. Lots of ESE Lupin, but Pippin's original post is missing. Likewise Elkins' Minerva McGonagall Is Ever So Evil. In fact, a high percentage of the posts are defenses which begin with "so many posters are claiming that [name any character] will turn out to be evil." Yet the actual accusations are not there. How do we fix this? Should we try? The category looks oddly incomplete. Carolyn (previously): Should we be putting the actual ESE! theories here? I have got Pippin's first post under ESE!Lupin (and indeed, many precursors to it - she had her teeth into him from waaaaaay back). Similarly we have ESE!McGonagall. It could get very big. Perhaps we should reserve it for the idea of suggesting various characters are ESE!, ie a subset of subversion. Or, simply have only one post there - the one that coined it (does that exist?) Carolyn (now): I would still prefer not to put the actual ESE! theories here, but leave them under an ESE! heading with the character. Comments? ************************** Ginger: I just coded a post in which the poster provided a transcript of an entire JKR interview. Does copying the entire interview (as opposed to a bit of it) violate any copyright laws? It was copied from a website. Does this make a difference? The original was not deleted, so I kind of assumed it was ok, but I just wanted to double check. If it is not, I have written the post number down and I will uncode it. Carolyn: I feel a bit uneasy about this. Admin might have missed it at the time. Better to be safe than sorry and reject this - after all, it can always be looked up on Quick Quotes or whatever, who have sorted out their copyright situation in each case. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Jun 12 17:13:40 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:13:40 -0400 Subject: ESE! headings Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] UPDATE, Sunday June 12th & sundry responses References: Message-ID: Potioncat, turban askew, appears, juggling various and sundry items, some of which appear very sharp or are actually in flames. Her skill is somewhat...poor...and at the moment she is attempting to add a batch of codes to the mix. Those members unfortunate enough to be sitting near her make a hasty move away, and as anticipated, everything clatters to the floor. She shrugs and looks around, then drops into a chair with a weary sigh. >>Carolyn (now): I would still prefer not to put the actual ESE! theories here, but leave them under an ESE! heading with the character. Potioncat nods: I think ESE headings under characters would make a lot of sense. If the posts are pretty much like the ones I've seen for ESE!McG. I would think if there are only one or two for a character, or if the poster wasn't really serious they could just go into the character's heading without a special code of their own. Are there any posts about the process of determining ESE in general? Would it merit its own ESE code or would it fit under one of the Lit Crit categories? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Jun 12 17:18:20 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 13:18:20 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Is the database page down? References: <20050612164809.73405.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Magda said: I'm almost in tears here because I feel stupid and frustrated and don't know what to do. Potioncat: Have a nice cup of tea...no, make that a nice glass of Southern Sweet tea. (AKA iced tea) You feel exactly the way I did when I first started. It'll come eventually. Uh, I'm just here for emotional support. Someone else needs to provide the technical help. Cheers, Kathy __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakearney at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 18:14:19 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:14:19 -0000 Subject: Is the database page down? In-Reply-To: <20050612164809.73405.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Magda wrote: > Okay obviously I'm doing something wrong because I can do everything > up to #10 but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do next. Because > there's nothing "live" or "activated" that I can see - just lists > that I can't do anything to. > > I don't have the computer terminology to even phrase the question > properly but how am I to remove codes when I can't click on them? I > went to Files on the main page but from what I can see most of the > info there relates to definitions and not to make-it-work info. Hi Magda. I'm not one of the tech people, but I'll try to help. Can you confirm whether or not you were able to bring up the main catalogue? Just to test, when you get to the interface decribed in step 9 (just a blank box and the "Switch to club" link), type 1 in the box and press "Go". You should get a three-frame screen: frame 1, top, list posts 1-5(ish) and the threading of post 1; frame 2, left, lists all the categories, and should have the reject and 0.0.1 code marked; and frame 3, right, holds the text of post number 1, a quick admin note thanking the group for moving, etc. Do you see all this? Second, are you trying to review a category or just code a group of posts? If you're trying to review, I assume you've gone to a category and clicked on [p], which brings up the list of posts in that category. The new post screen should just be static text, no active elements; you'll have to keep a record of the post number of those that need to be changed, and then bring up each post individually in the main catalogue interface to change the coding. Let me know if any of this helps. And don't worry about terminology; most of us can figure out what the thingamajig by the hoo-ha is. -Kelly From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Jun 12 18:26:01 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:26:01 -0000 Subject: ESE! headings, sexual orientation review & sundry responses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Popping in like Peeves with wads of gum for all the keyholes -- Carolyn: > I would still prefer not to put the actual ESE! theories here, but > leave them under an ESE! heading with the character. Potioncat nods: > I think ESE headings under characters would make a lot of sense. If the posts are pretty much like the ones I've seen for ESE!McG. I would think if there are only one or two for a character, or if the poster wasn't really serious they could just go >into the character's heading without a special code of their own. Debbie: This would be my preference (I see from what Carolyn quoted I have a few selective memory problems), but some of the subcodes would only have 1-2 posts in them, which is why I thought it might be nice to collect all of the ESE! accusations in one place. I think it would be nice to know the universe of people against whom accusations have been leveled. Potioncat: > Are there any posts about the process of determining ESE in general? Would it merit its own ESE code or would it fit under one of the Lit Crit categories? Debbie: IIRC there were no posts that I found defining what it means to be ESE, so if we don't use it to capture the original accusations, it will probably end up being empty. I think people were saying Ever So Evil and it just gradually got shortened. I believe that there may be a little bit of ESE in the Reader Response category. Ginger: > I just coded a post in which the poster provided a transcript of an > entire JKR interview. Does copying the entire interview (as opposed > to a bit of it) violate any copyright laws? It was copied from a > website. Does this make a difference? > > The original was not deleted, so I kind of assumed it was ok, but I > just wanted to double check. If it is not, I have written the post > number down and I will uncode it. Carolyn: > I feel a bit uneasy about this. Admin might have missed it at the > time. Better to be safe than sorry and reject this - after all, it > can always be looked up on Quick Quotes or whatever, who have sorted > out their copyright situation in each case. Debbie: The lawyer in me (though I learned everything I know about IP law from Heidi) agrees with Carolyn's conclusion that the post should not be coded. Admin doesn't catch everything. Carolyn: > In a fit of irritation today I finished off all the coding for people > who are not currently working on that task, and cleaned up the dbase so > it only shows current allocations. [snip] Doing this also saves time going to the last entry in that dbase. Debbie: Oh, yes, much cleaner, though it wasn't hard to get to the end by clicking "last" before. I guess it would be too confusing for us to delete our entries as we finished them, wouldn't it? Carolyn: > Re Fforde, yes, it's not in my edition..not fair! Is it good? Debbie: Not bad, except that it seemed weirdly tacked onto what I had expected to be the end of the novel. I have finished reviewing the reconstituted 1.2.10.10 (Sexual Orientation) category. The only question concerns a few posts included there relating to pedophilia, rape etc. There doesn't seem to be anyplace else for them and since there are less than 10 altogether, I don't know if a new subcategory is warranted. 2.17.3 (Sex in the WW) didn't seem appropriate because the focus of the posts was on the reader picking up the clues. I thought it was ok to leave them where they are, since they include a couple of posts specifically distinguishing pedophilia from consensual same-sex relationships. Any objections? I did, however, move the posts discussing the unique problems raised by cross-gendered Polyjuiced characters having sex and getting pregnant to Sex in the WW. ;-) On to 1.2.10.6, racial and cultural diversity, and wondering about potential overlap with 3.2.6, Class system, racism and bigotry Debbie wishing she knew how to help Magda From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 12 19:01:33 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:01:33 -0000 Subject: help for Magda In-Reply-To: <20050612164809.73405.qmail@web53107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Magda Grantwich wrote: > Thanks, Carolyn. Okay the page is now up. And I got in. And I did > everything according to the document I got when I signed up: > > "Exploring the site > > 10. Once you are in either the club or the group, enter a number in > the box top left and hit `GO'. You will find the text of the post > comes up, and also a cataloguing menu to the left of the screen. > > 11. When a post has been rejected, its title appears grey in the > list top left. When it has been accepted and coded up, it appears in > green. When it has not been done yet, it just appears black. As you > roll your cursor over them, they highlight in red, so you know which > one to click if you want to call it up on the main screen. You can > pull up any post by entering its number in the box and hitting Go. " > > Okay obviously I'm doing something wrong because I can do everything > up to #10 but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do next. Because > there's nothing "live" or "activated" that I can see - just lists > that I can't do anything to. > > I don't have the computer terminology to even phrase the question > properly but how am I to remove codes when I can't click on them? I > went to Files on the main page but from what I can see most of the > info there relates to definitions and not to make-it-work info. > > I'm almost in tears here because I feel stupid and frustrated and > don't know what to do. > > Magda > Ack, Magda..not a problem. If you have entered a post number (any number) in that box top left and hit 'GO', the multi-colour list of categories has come up? Now, I think what you are saying is that you have gone one stage further, and clicked on 'p' next to Filch, and in a separate window, all the posts coded to Filch have come up? (As you were able to print this list off to work on, think this must be the case). Ok, now, first of all, the next stage should be for you to post something here about your conclusions about the Filch category - what you think doesn't belong in the section, how you think it should be edited and why. (See other examples recently, eg Kelly's summaries of some of the Hogwart's sections). Then, to do the actual editing, you don't try to do that by hitting 'p' (or 'd' or 's') - those lists are static, as you found. Instead, when you want to change the coding on a post, you enter its number in the box top left and hit 'Go'. The text of the post will come up, and to the left you will see the category list with ticks on it relating to just that post. The categories chosen are summarised at the top, together with the name of the person who did the categorising. To change the coding, you scroll down (in this case to the Filch name) and click on the tick to de-check it so its box is empty. You then move to the save button at either the top or bottom of the category list, click it, and wait for the database to re-load the category list. And that's it, you have successfully taken the Filch code off that particular post. And this is how you code up as well - you just click on any box you want on the category list, hit save and there you go. Are you on Yah Messenger? Just buzz me (my ID is my silly old one - a_reader2003), and I'll talk you through it live if you like. Carolyn From mgrantwich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 12 21:11:53 2005 From: mgrantwich at yahoo.com (Magda Grantwich) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: help for Magda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050612211153.62620.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks everybody and especially Carolyn. I'll give it a try during the next week. I have to say that I have always found computers very trying and I'm not sure I'm the right person to be involved with this endeavour. My day job is very demanding and exhausting, and the only way I can handle it is to do non-stressful things during my spare time. Getting frustrated over databases is definitely stressful. However I shall write up something about the Filch category and post it and see if I can make this work. Thanks again. Magda __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 01:08:37 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] ESE! headings, Lupin, deleted post, and Magda In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050613010837.37357.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Debbie: This would be my preference (I see from what Carolyn quoted I have a few selective memory problems), but some of the subcodes would only have 1-2 posts in them, which is why I thought it might be nice to collect all of the ESE! accusations in one place. I think it would be nice to know the universe of people against whom accusations have been leveled. Ginger: My two of whatever the smallest monetary unit of your individual country is: If a character has ESE, use it; if not, code to ESE and the character. I have made a list of the Lupin posts that have the ESE code. I will check into these as I look through the individual posts. Some of them may not be ESE!Lupin as the posts also discuss the prank and may involve ESE!James, Black, or DD. As long as I am on Lupin, here's a mini-update. I did a quick scan and pulled out obvious rejects/uncodes. Which means if a post was long, I left it to be read later. If it was short or was a part of a multi, and I could see that it was a post I would get rid of later, I went ahead and rejected/ uncoded it now. Result: 40 uncoded and 13 rejected. These were along the lines of posts that asked what the J in Remus J Lupin stood for, and that was the whole post. Or where Lupin was only mentioned as part of a quote or as a source of info on another topic. My reason for doing this was to get a gist of the different topics discussed about Lupin so I could take notes and kind of divide them on paper so I could decide which to keep in the end for each division. I mean, really, how many times do we need to be told that Lupine is a flower? I should be working on this for the next 2 weekends, along with some coding. Then I should be done with the category. Side note to Carolyn: How in blazes did you code 1000 posts? My butt gets sore after 200! Debbie: (re: the post with the transcript) The lawyer in me (though I learned everything I know about IP law from Heidi) agrees with Carolyn's conclusion that the post should not be coded. Admin doesn't catch everything. Ginger: I know nothing about law except "don't get caught", but I concur. I will delete the post. Note to Madga: When I sign on to the site, I get the "site down" message about 1 time in 4. I find that if I go offline and come back on, it takes care of it. Then again, I have old phone lines, so it may be a unique problem. It may be worth trying, or not. On a personal note, I got my hair cut today. 24 inches off. I'm donating it to Locks of Love, who make wigs for kids who have lost hair to cancer or other medical problems. I feel light headed. Ginger, who spent the weekend with a 9-year-old and is glad to be childless once again, much as I love him. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 13 09:21:07 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:21:07 -0000 Subject: possible screw-up Message-ID: Hi. Computer illiterate that I am, I tried to put photos in the photos section, but I didn't succeed. If I screwed up anything in the photos section, I sincerely apologize. It looks the same as when I started, but one never knows. I hope if I did any damage that it isn't permanent or anything that will give anyone a headache fixing. I had been trying to put the photos of my hair -before and after- to share, but since I couldn't figure out how to do it, I'll just say that if anyone wants to see them, I can e-mail them. Contact me at quigonginger at yahoo.com. I'll send them. Penitently, Ginger From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Jun 13 13:41:06 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:41:06 -0000 Subject: Slytherins Message-ID: I did it! Toss the confetti, bring out the chilled butterbeer! 100 posts coded in a 24 hour period. OK, so you aren't impressed. I've signed up for another batch and put my name down for the Slytherin students, not Draco, in the review section. Carolyn, if your review priority is different, let me know. I need a fairly straight forward section. So if this one is OK I will get started. Also, a friendly reminder, when you take a section to review, put your name down in both the general Review Allocation Section and the more refined sections. Kathy W. From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Tue Jun 14 21:22:52 2005 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:22:52 -0500 Subject: Review of Freewill, Prophecies & Seers Message-ID: A manic figure darts into Her Majesty's office, muttering under his breath. "...choices...obvious...Ron...ridiculous..." Miss Havisham glares up from behind her stacks of posts and declares, "Mr. Smythe, I presume? I had assumed you lost in the sea of predestination and prophecies. It has been quite a while. Perhaps you should have stayed..." Boyd tosses a few neat bundles on her desk. "I am done with these atrocities, ma'am. Dreadfully hideous beasts they were, too, but they succumbed to my sharpest red pen just like their vile prediction brethren before them." Stunned at his resilience, she spat, "And your boogie shoes? Are they not yet broken?" With an ear-to-ear grin, he turned on his iPod and began dancing with reckless abandon, knocking over several piles of unmarked posts and sending herself into a complete and utter tizzy. "Damn you, Smythe, you will pay for that! If you think those were bad, now you shall review all of Dumbledore! Ha ha ha ha ...." Her voice faded as he shimmied his way out her door, posting this note as he left. ----------------- 1.1.3 ****Freewill, choice & fate This lot was scary. There are now 219 (I believe there were about 400 when I started). In general, please reject the discussions that have obviously occurred before, unless there are new takes on them. Examples of oft-repeated topics include freewill for various races (esp. house elves), fate/destiny for Harry and/or Voldemort, Dumbledore's famous line regarding choices, and time travel (esp. the PoA episode). 1.1.3.1 ******Prophecy discussions Just 79 of these left, down from 141. Lots of repetition here, given the great speculation early on about what Trelawney's first prophecy must have been regarding. Again, please reject very short posts that make obvious statements about prophecies. Also, please code to freewill anything that discusses how prophecies subvert choices/free will. 1.1.3.2 ******Seers Down to 57 from a whopping 56, but 12 have been added during the past week (wow, that's some fast coding!) If a post is about Ron-as-seer, please reject it unless it offers fairly significant rationale for or against. And if a post mentions seers, that's not enough to get coded there; it must genuinely discuss them. Other than that, this section was very clean! --boyd, now moving on to Dumbledore's Boogie Wonderland (hmmm...now that I think of it, it's obvious: Earth Wind & Fire were clearly visitors from the WW--just look at the clothes!) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 15 08:59:17 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:59:17 -0000 Subject: For cat lovers and conspiracy theorists... Message-ID: > As seen in a dog's diary: > > 7 am - Oh boy! A walk! My favourite! > 8 am - Oh boy! Dog food! My favourite! > 9 am - Oh boy! The kids! My favourite! > Noon - Oh boy! The yard! My favourite! > 2 pm - Oh boy! A car ride! My favourite! > 3 pm - Oh boy! The kids! My favourite! > 4 pm - Oh boy! Playing ball! My favourite! > 6 pm - Oh boy! Welcome home Mom! My favourite! > 7 pm - Oh boy! Welcome home Dad! My favourite! > 8 pm - Oh boy! Dog food! My favourite! > 9 pm - Oh boy! Tummy rubs on the couch! My favourite! > 11 pm - Oh boy! Sleeping in my people's bed! My favourite! > > As seen in a cat's diary: > Day 183 of my captivity... My captors continued to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild satisfaction I get from clawing the furniture. Tomorrow I may eat another house plant. Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded - must try this at the top of the stairs. In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again induced myself to vomit on their favourite chair - must try this on their bed. Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body in an attempt to make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear in their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little cat I was. Hmmm, not working according to plan... There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in solitary throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the food. More important, I overheard that my confinement was due to my powers of inducing "allergies." Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage. > I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches. The dog is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is obviously a half-wit. The bird, on the other hand, has got to be an informant and speaks with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his current placement in the metal room, his safety is assured. But I can wait, it is only a matter of time... > From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 12:56:01 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:56:01 -0000 Subject: New categories Message-ID: Hello, Reviewing my dear Remus has brought to my mind a question. When we are reviewing, should we change things that involve new categories? Specificly, in reviewing Remus, I have found many old posts coded to James, Sirius, Remus, and/or Peter that would be better coded to the MMWP category, but it wasn't invented at the time they were coded. Should I recode? Or not? Should I just add MMWP? Or add MMWP and delete the individual names (assuming, of course that the individual post is actually about MMWP dynamics rather than about the individual(s) coded)? I usually hesitate to recode, but if there is a new category, should we go ahead? With caution, of course. Ginger, wishing it would just quit raining already. From kakearney at comcast.net Wed Jun 15 13:28:20 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:28:20 -0000 Subject: New categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginger wrote: > When we are reviewing, should we change things that involve new > categories? Specificly, in reviewing Remus, I have found many old > posts coded to James, Sirius, Remus, and/or Peter that would be better > coded to the MMWP category, but it wasn't invented at the time they > were coded. Should I recode? Or not? Should I just add MMWP? Or > add MMWP and delete the individual names (assuming, of course that the > individual post is actually about MMWP dynamics rather than about the > individual(s) coded)? > > I usually hesitate to recode, but if there is a new category, should > we go ahead? With caution, of course. I would definitely recode. One of the purpose of reviewing is to find these types of redundancies, whether due to mistake, over-coding, or lack of appropriate category at that time. Generally, I try to stick to removing only codes that I am currently dealing with, but when I come across a post that obviously fits better into someone else's category, I'll make the changes, mark Review coding, and leave a comment in the comments box. -Kelly From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 15 13:32:25 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:32:25 -0000 Subject: New categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I vote for re-coding too. Particularly in this case where you'll be looking at a bunch of posts that apply. Kathy W From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 15 14:29:29 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:29:29 -0000 Subject: Draco and Hermione (but not together) Message-ID: Question for Sean: In the over 800 posts about Hermione, do you have enough about Hermione and Harry being siblings? I've just come upon a thread about it and my first instinct is to reject it all. In the spirit of fairness, I'll keep a few if you don't already have any. I've never seen the idea before...one of the few perks of finding HPfGU late in the game. General Comment: I've taken on the gang of Slytherins other than Draco. It looks like no one is doing Draco yet. So I plan to follow Ginger's lead and remove the Draco code as appropriate from the posts I read. Unless someone yells "No! Stop! Don't!" From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 16:45:42 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:45:42 -0000 Subject: New categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > I vote for re-coding too. Particularly in this case where you'll be > looking at a bunch of posts that apply. > Kathy W I'll fourth that vote--I re-coded a bunch of posts to Graveyard scene and Shrieking Shack while going through the chapter reviews. Also, to MWPP when appropriate, Trio Dynamics. etc. Some of those posts will never be looked at again, and during a review is our only chance to update to new categories added after a post was marked. I do stick really complicated posts in the review category, ones needing quite a few different updates, but most of the smaller changes I do myself (i.e. a post coded to H/R/H separately and it's so much easier to just uncode and re-code to Trio than have the post reviewed *again* by someone else). Jen From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 15 17:16:06 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:16:06 -0000 Subject: Coding speed/photos/review allocations/DD/MWPPetc/quidditch Message-ID: Ginger: Side note to Carolyn: How in blazes did you code 1000 posts? My butt gets sore after 200! C - I don't do them in one sitting. 100 at a time, takes me about an hour. The standard is so low at the moment that I am only keeping maybe 4-5 in a 100, if that. Exactly reminiscent of the main list as of today - total crap with the rare reasonable point. Especially the covers issue - I must have rejected about 2-300 posts on what people imagined the OOP covers might mean when they were released. ***** Ginger: Computer illiterate that I am, I tried to put photos in the photos section, but I didn't succeed. If I screwed up anything in the photos section, I sincerely apologize. C - hey, no worries, you did me a favour. I'd never looked in that file before, and when I did, I found all Maria's missing artwork that I though *I* had deleted when I re-did the home page. Hence a resurrected new picture. I can put up any pic by the way, so contributions welcome - just email me. ******* KathyW: I've signed up for another batch and put my name down for the Slytherin students, not Draco, in the review section. Carolyn, if your review priority is different, let me know. I need a fairly straight forward section. So if this one is OK I will get started. Also, a friendly reminder, when you take a section to review, put your name down in both the general Review Allocation Section and the more refined sections. C - don't have any priorities, please select a section you'd like to do. Good point about putting your name down on *both* dbases..ahem..sort of thing your leaderene gets careless about. **** Boyd: "Damn you, Smythe, you will pay for that! If you think those were bad, nowyou shall review all of Dumbledore! Ha ha ha ha ...." Her voice faded as heshimmied his way out her door, posting this note as he left. C - in further off list banter with Bad!Boyd, he issues this further hysterical injunction: '2.3.1 Dumbledore is the real problem. I may have to send an angry, invective-laced note to the team or place an official injunction against any more coding to it under pain of howlers. Currently, his box gets ticked on every 46th post on average. Yikes!' ..so, if you are thinking of coding to DD, think twice, then don't ...bit like the Harry category. ********** > As seen in a dog's diary: > As seen in a cat's diary: ..well, *I* thought it was funny. ***** Ginger: When we are reviewing, should we change things that involve new categories? Specificly, in reviewing Remus, I have found many old posts coded to James, Sirius, Remus, and/or Peter that would be better coded to the MMWP category, but it wasn't invented at the time they were coded. Should I recode? Or not? Should I just add MMWP? C - yes, agree with everyone else, please do. (And the other examples mentioned by KathyW & Jen). On the subject of MWPP I recently came across a thread mainly driven by GulPlum [53390 started it] with about 40 posts solely about the use of the apostrophe on Marauder's Map. Amanda quite justifiably made him a LOON for it, commenting [53410]: 'GulPlum wrote *ten* paragraphs arguing the possible rationales, viewpoints, grammatical reasoning, meaning, and interpretations of the apostrophe placement in "Marauder's Map" and its repercussions on the canon validity of the use of "marauders" to collectively refer to James, Sirius, Remus, and Peter. None of it was drivel. All of it was valid. Every bit of it is anal in the extreme. I respect that in a person. My boy, if you were not a L.O.O.N. before, you are now. Welcome. ~Amandageist' Having met him in person last summer, I can assure everyone that he is the living embodiment of his posts. Um, fascinating I guess... ******** A question of my own. I am coming across quite a few posts like Debbie's FP on the theme of 'Quidditch is a metaphor for the series'. I have dithered where to put them, and have currently stuck them under 'house Quidditch teams' rather than the history of the game and QWC. I think we need an extra Quidditch category, or rename the history one. I was also wondering about moving the Hogwarts Quidditch teams to the Quidditch section -?? Maybe not.. From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 15 17:40:41 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:40:41 -0000 Subject: Coding speed/photos/review allocations/DD/MWPPetc/quidditch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn asked: > A question of my own. I am coming across quite a few posts like > Debbie's FP on the theme of 'Quidditch is a metaphor for the series'. > I have dithered where to put them, and have currently stuck them > under 'house Quidditch teams' rather than the history of the game and > QWC. > > I think we need an extra Quidditch category, or rename the history > one. I was also wondering about moving the Hogwarts Quidditch teams > to the Quidditch section -?? Maybe not.. Kathy W: A true leader, you are! I came upon later posts and went up-thread to see how they were coded...so I did the same. It actually reminds me of the "HP characters as chess pieces" thread that went into Wizard Chess. Maybe what we'll need eventually is a metaphor section? My second batch is done, pending the following: Word on the siblings. Quidditch: As already asked by Carolyn. JKR-Personal: I've had a couple of posts that compare HP to JKR's personal life. I don't really see a section for that except possibly 1.2.4. This particular set offers the idea that Dudley and Harry represent JKR and her sister. (If that's the case, it's too much information about her childhood for me!) I came across another Snape as Cockroach theory. Blasted down by Amanda Geist. But it was even before the exploding jar of cockroaches and before my time. The poor soul who wrote the post can no longer be found...hmm, just like LV's first reign. It was my one claim to "No one has ever thought of this before". Potioncat noticed that Miss Havisham has an odd smile on her face. "Is that 200 posts this week, Dear?" Potioncat hesitates. Something is amiss. Two hundred posts is very impressive to Potioncat, but she's certain Miss Havisham is not the least impressed. Suddenly she understands, "Oh, no, Miss! Just because I've done 200 posts this week doesn't mean I can do 200 next week! You must understand...Uh, I've got teenagers!... My air conditioner was broken and coding was all I could do!...The dog looks sick..." From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 15 18:13:21 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:13:21 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Killer Kitties In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050615181321.GH23108@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 05:16:06PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > ********** > > As seen in a dog's diary: > > > As seen in a cat's diary: > > ..well, *I* thought it was funny. > > ***** I liked it too, but was too busy rejecting posts. My new record is 85 rejects. * splash * -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Jun 15 18:42:32 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:42:32 -0000 Subject: Killer Kitties In-Reply-To: <20050615181321.GH23108@4dot0.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 05:16:06PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > > ********** > > > As seen in a dog's diary: > > > > > As seen in a cat's diary: > > > > ..well, *I* thought it was funny. > > > > ***** > > I liked it too, but was too busy rejecting posts. My new record is 85 rejects. > > * splash * Jen: Hey, having both a dog and a cat (and fish and now a crab since going to the beach) I howled over the 'cat as the ultimate conspiracy theorist' post. My cat, however, is free to come and go as he pleases and *still* remains with us, much to the chagrin of my dh and son, who think he's useless. Now the eager-to-please dog, the one who gets the bottomless food bowl, all the love she wants, walks and etc.? SHE bolts out the door into oncoming traffic whenver we turn our backs for a teeny-tiny mintue. Ingrate. Jen, who had a nasty batch of posts with *content* in the last 100 and is looking for more debates over the cover in the next batch. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 15 19:05:42 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:05:42 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Killer Kitties In-Reply-To: References: <20050615181321.GH23108@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050615190542.GI23108@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 06:42:32PM -0000, Jen Reese wrote: > Jen: Hey, having both a dog and a cat (and fish and now a crab since > going to the beach) I howled over the 'cat as the ultimate > conspiracy theorist' post. My cat, however, is free to come and go > as he pleases and *still* remains with us, much to the chagrin of my > dh and son, who think he's useless. > > Now the eager-to-please dog, the one who gets the bottomless food > bowl, all the love she wants, walks and etc.? SHE bolts out the door > into oncoming traffic whenver we turn our backs for a teeny-tiny > mintue. Ingrate. I haven't had a cat for years, but I do have an adorable and rather silly terrier named Snowy who is completely helpless without me. When I get overseas sometime in the next year I will have to make a difficult decision... > Jen, who had a nasty batch of posts with *content* in the last 100 > and is looking for more debates over the cover in the next batch. I'm trying to avoid RSI from rejecting endless discussions of WANDS and stupid 50-point questionaires for half the series. My new record is 95 rejects - there were five filks in the last batch. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From elfundeb at comcast.net Wed Jun 15 20:54:34 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:54:34 -0000 Subject: Coding speed/photos/review allocations/DD/MWPPetc/quidditch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginger: > Side note to Carolyn: How in blazes did you code 1000 posts? My > butt gets sore after 200! Carolyn: I don't do them in one sitting. 100 at a time, takes me about an > hour. The standard is so low at the moment that I am only keeping > maybe 4-5 in a 100, if that. Exactly reminiscent of the main list as > of today - total crap with the rare reasonable point. Especially the > covers issue - I must have rejected about 2-300 posts on what people > imagined the OOP covers might mean when they were released. Debbie: Side note to Carolyn (and Sean!). How do you keep the reject rate so high? Are your posts worse than mine, or do you remember everything that's been said before? I was quite pleased to increase my rejection rate to 2/3 on the last batch, and I rejected every one I had to stop and think about. KathyW wrote: > Also, a friendly reminder, when you take a section to review, put your > name down in both the general Review Allocation Section and the more > refined sections. Debbie: This is very important, as I've discovered. I said earlier this week I would be doing 1.2.10.5, Racial and Cultural Diversity, to finish up my block as assigned in the first database, "Allocation of Review Sections". But when I looked later at the second one that's separated out by subcategory, I saw that same section assigned to Jen. Jen, have you finished 1.2.10.5? If so, that's another big category we can check off as complete, as I've finished with all the rest of the headings (at least according to the first database). Report on Political Stereotypes. Was 12, now 14, as I've pulled in two more Bleeding Hearts posts in the thread. This was another recently created category, so people may run across old posts that would appropriately be coded here. Unless Jen wants me to pick up diversity, I'll go on to the Longbottoms and my next 100 posts. Debbie noting that management would do well to crack the whip on me very hard this week, as the kids' summer sports season starts next week and I will be out virtually every evening until August From kakearney at comcast.net Wed Jun 15 21:24:52 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:24:52 -0000 Subject: ...quidditch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > A question of my own. I am coming across quite a few posts like > Debbie's FP on the theme of 'Quidditch is a metaphor for the series'. > I have dithered where to put them, and have currently stuck them > under 'house Quidditch teams' rather than the history of the game and > QWC. > > I think we need an extra Quidditch category, or rename the history > one. I was also wondering about moving the Hogwarts Quidditch teams > to the Quidditch section -?? Maybe not.. A quick glance makes me think that 3.6.1 History, players, balls, & rules definitely needs to be reviewed. It seems to be a hodgepodge of all three Quidditich codes right now. Did it perhaps become a dumping ground for the posts that were previously in 3.6 (before it was made uncodable)? A Quidditch-general code or similar would probably be a good idea, to replace that former heading. I really don't think the post you mentioned belongs in House Quidditch teams, since I just moved everything not specifically associated with Hogwarts out of that category. Generalized Quidditch comments I usually dumped in 3.6.1 (hey, it's already such a mess I figured no one would notice :) ), but there weren't many of those. I think moving the 3.16.4.2 House Quidditch Teams up to 3.6 Quidditch is a good idea, if only to make sure coders take notice of the three different codes and choose appropriately. -Kelly From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 15 22:00:04 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Coding speed/photos/review allocations/DD/MWPPetc/quidditch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050615220004.18018.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C - I don't do them in one sitting. 100 at a time, takes me about an hour. The standard is so low at the moment that I am only keeping maybe 4-5 in a 100, if that. Exactly reminiscent of the main list as of today - total crap with the rare reasonable point. Especially the covers issue - I must have rejected about 2-300 posts on what people imagined the OOP covers might mean when they were released. ***** G: You get drivel; I get Anatomy of a Rift, which I read back when it was written and found it to be worthy of a FP rating. **** C: On the subject of MWPP I recently came across a thread mainly driven by GulPlum [53390 started it] with about 40 posts solely about the use of the apostrophe on Marauder's Map. Amanda quite justifiably made him a LOON for it, commenting [53410]: (Snip) G: I remember that post and I found it rather upsetting that JKR said in an interview that the boys called themselves the Marauders. I'm going to cut her a break and assume that the punctuation error was not that of a best selling author, but of 4 schoolboys who couldn't be bothered to move the dratted thing one letter over. ******** Ginger, looking forward to coding the "spoilers" posts from before OoP and seeing what she missed in her anal attempt to avoid all info about the new book. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kking0731 at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 00:47:51 2005 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:47:51 -0000 Subject: New Codes? Message-ID: Speaking of new codes, should we possibly anticipate what new codes should definitely be added before we start to code the post OOP threads; i.e. the Veil, Snape's Worst Memory, (etc.)? We can always code these to the chapters they appear in but I think these two subjects will be back to haunt us in one of the next two books. These two examples in particular have also been pretty prominent subject points, even now; that I think it should warrant them a code of their own. Snape's worst memory has got at least as much attention on the forum as the prank, along with the memories that Harry tapped into with the Stinging hex. It could be something like Snape's worst memory/memories. Just an attempt to eliminate the over coding to the character(s) involved in the subject Also to avoid the type of situation where the code was created later and the threads are now spewed into several other headings. Here is an example: I just came across one that could have been useful, or could be useful, while coding. I've never seen it before but, David References: Message-ID: <20050616033027.GJ23108@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 08:54:34PM -0000, Debbie wrote: > Debbie: > Side note to Carolyn (and Sean!). How do you keep the reject rate > so high? Are your posts worse than mine, or do you remember > everything that's been said before? I was quite pleased to increase > my rejection rate to 2/3 on the last batch, and I rejected every one > I had to stop and think about. It's both. I've only coded 1700-odd posts but there's an awful lot of repetition, and if you keep note of your work (as I do), the same things keep cropping up. That said, there's always new heights of irrelevance whenever a new HP is nigh; people go into overdrive as they manically restate their position, or run pointless questionaires, nothing that hasn't already been said. I might add it's also luck - Carolyn and I seem to be getting to the vast deserts of nonsense before everyone else Mind you, the quality of filks has improved: #54902 "The Voldemort Rag" is a gem, and I'll reprint it here because I'm a huge Lehrer fan: The Voldemort Rag A filk by Pippin to the Tune of "The Vatican Rag" by Tom Lehrer Hear the original at http://wiw.org/~drz/tom.lehrer/midi/vatican.mid First you get down on your knees Shiver like you're gonna freeze Bow your heads, each one of them And kiss the hem, kiss the hem, kiss the hem Muggles, Mudbloods are in danger We've got Potter, we'll get Granger Everybody at 'em Finite Incantatem Doin' the Voldemort Rag Members of my inner circle will Get the chance to torture, maim and kill We're the gang that's incorrigible With the curse that's unforgivable Law Enforcement cannot catch us We'll be gone before they snatch us Two, four, six, eight We can all Disapparate So get down upon your knees Swear eternal loyalties Crawl to me and kiss my hem Yeah! S&M, S&M, S&M Grab a mask and put it on if You're an evil wizard goniff Avada Kedavra Gee, it's great to have ya Goin' ballistic an' Gettin' sadistic an' Doin' the Voldemort Rag! FP anyone? * splash * -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 16 11:24:58 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:24:58 -0000 Subject: site down? & more cats Message-ID: Hi, Is it me, or is the site down? I sent the dog/cat bit to a friend and she returned the favor. I've pasted the poems below. Kathy W. Cat Haikus Category: Animals The food in my bowl Is old, and more to the point Contains no tuna. So you want to play. Will I claw at dancing string? Your ankle's closer. There's no dignity In being sick - which is why I don't tell you where. Seeking solitude I am locked in the closet. For once I need you. Tiny can, dumped in Plastic bowl. Presentation, One star; service: none. Am I in your way? You seem to have it backwards: This pillow's taken. Your mouth is moving; Up and down, emitting noise. I've lost interest. The dog wags his tail, Seeking approval. See mine? Different message. My brain: walnut-sized. Yours: largest among primates. Yet, who leaves for work? Most problems can be Ignored. The more difficult Ones can be slept through. My affection is conditional. Don't stand up, It's your lap I love. Cats can't steal the breath Of children. But if my tail's Pulled again, I'll learn. I don't mind being Teased, any more than you mind A skin graft or two. So you call this thing Your "cat carrier." I call These my "blades of death." Toy mice, dancing yarn Meowing sounds. I'm convinced: You're an idiot. --- From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 16 11:30:35 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:30:35 -0000 Subject: site down? & more cats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > Hi, > Is it me, or is the site down? > > I sent the dog/cat bit to a friend and she returned the favor. I've > pasted the poems below. > > Kathy W. > > > Alas.. it seems so. I've emailed Paul. Great cat poem.. I am going to read it to my evillest and oldest bagpuss, who carefully got off my bed early this morning in order to throw up on the floor..then got back on and neatly curled himself up for sleep again. He looked at me calmly and defied me to scream at him because he's well..eighteen ..and rather stiff..and he doesn't know any better.. Like heck. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Jun 16 17:02:50 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 17:02:50 -0000 Subject: Racial & Cultural diversity--Debbie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Debbie: > This is very important, as I've discovered. I said earlier this > week I would be doing 1.2.10.5, Racial and Cultural Diversity, to > finish up my block as assigned in the first database, "Allocation of > Review Sections". But when I looked later at the second one that's > separated out by subcategory, I saw that same section assigned to > Jen. > > Jen, have you finished 1.2.10.5? If so, that's another big category > we can check off as complete, as I've finished with all the rest of > the headings (at least according to the first database). Jen: Actually, no. I went back to coding this week and was planning to start the Characterization review next week. But I'll go ahead and review that one little section, 1.2.10.5, by Saturday so we can mark off that huge section you just finished, Debbie. > Debbie > noting that management would do well to crack the whip on me very > hard this week, as the kids' summer sports season starts next week > and I will be out virtually every evening until August Jen: Ack. We haven't started the sports team thing yet and I'm so grateful. ;) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 16 18:28:59 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:28:59 -0000 Subject: site down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" > wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it me, or is the site down? > > > > > Alas.. it seems so. I've emailed Paul. > We are waiting for Paul to get home from work - he can't do a remote fix. Apparently there was a power failure this morning and the server maybe didn't re-boot properly, though it should have done. Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 10:35:16 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:35:16 -0000 Subject: Site restored/Multi-replies/All hands on deck Message-ID: Site is back up now BTW & what a great TBAY from Neri on main. I am almost tempted to post a reply - it would be my first post this year if I do. ******** > I think we need an extra Quidditch category, or rename the history one. Kelly: A quick glance makes me think that 3.6.1 History, players, balls, & rules definitely needs to be reviewed. It seems to be a hodgepodge of all three Quidditich codes right now. A Quidditch-general code or similar would probably be a good idea, to replace that former heading. I think moving the 3.16.4.2 House Quidditch Teams up to 3.6 Quidditch is a good idea, C - ok, I suggest the following: 3.6 Quidditch 3.6.1 History & rules of Quidditch 3.6.2 Quidditch World Cup 3.6.3 Hogwarts Quidditch teams & games 3.6.4 General Quidditch theories ********* KathySnow: Speaking of new codes, should we possibly anticipate what new codes should definitely be added before we start to code the post OOP threads; i.e. the Veil, Snape's Worst Memory, (etc.)? We can always code these to the chapters they appear in but I think these two subjects will be back to haunt us in one of the next two books. C - I think adding the Veil to 3.8.6 Magical Items would be ok, but not quite so sure about Snape's Worst Memory because that is the actual title of OOP, Chap 28. KathyS: HoG. There has been and will be a great deal of talk over heirs to Gryffindor. I've seen some placed under Godric and some under Heirs/rules of inheritance and also under Ancestors/descendants depending on how the author termed the person in question; C - I agree that these three sections need some sorting out. I tend to code to the historical person first and foremost, and only code to ancestors/descendants if it is a post about the ongoing argument over the mistake that was corrected in later editions. I imagine this section can be savagely pruned eventually. Heirs/rules of inheritance I tend to use for discussions of who left what to who (eg we could use it for who gets 12 Grimmauld Place). KathyS: A question. I came across a small thread about how the Durmstrang ship got into the lake at Hogwarts, where would any of you code this? C - firmly under Durmstrang in the Geography section I think, since it usually seems to involve elaborate underground plumbing discussions. ********** KathyW: JKR-Personal: I've had a couple of posts that compare HP to JKR's personal life. I don't really see a section for that except possibly 1.2.4. This particular set offers the idea that Dudley and Harry represent JKR and her sister. (If that's the case, it's too much information about her childhood for me!) C - I would code to Dudley or Harry probably. ********* Debbie: Side note to Carolyn (and Sean!). How do you keep the reject rate so high? Are your posts worse than mine, or do you remember everything that's been said before? I was quite pleased to increase my rejection rate to 2/3 on the last batch, and I rejected every one I had to stop and think about. C - basically, it has to be a fairly long and careful analysis to get coded at the present stage. The majority of posts seem to be short paragraphs picking over old arguments with no effort to look up past discussions at all. Someone has recently even brightly suggested the idea that Lupin might not be all he seemed... I slash through this stuff, and just keep the odd long one for posterity which pulls the arguments together. Eg there has been a long SHIP thread on Harry and Ginny, where I probably kept maybe 3-4 posts out of over a 100. I am also slashing all discussions of bits of OOP text that got released other than the odd imaginative and accurate prediction - for instance, someone got Umbridge bang to rights in a discussion about poisoned honey, so I coded to Umbridge (probably the first post to go there). However, there was a great TBAY series of prediction discussions in the Safe House, which I coded in its entirety to OOP predictions/no canon. Lots of Pippin swishing about as a vampire! *********** Potioncat noticed that Miss Havisham has an odd smile on her face. "Is that 200 posts this week, Dear?" You must understand...Uh, I've got teenagers!... My air conditioner was broken and coding was all I could do!...The dog looks sick..." Debbie noting that management would do well to crack the whip on me very hard this week, as the kids' summer sports season starts next week and I will be out virtually every evening until August Miss Havisham curled her lip in contempt. 'School sports?' she spat. 'Teenagers?' The nerve of these people thinking to offer up RL excuses at this critical juncture. The foghorn roared: 'ALL LEAVE IS CANCELLED' 'ALL STAFF TO REPORT TO CATALOGUE OFFICE PROMPTLY AT 7AM ' She went to check the locks. Once they were here, they'd see who was boss. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Jun 17 11:12:02 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Site restored/Multi-replies/All hands on deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050617111202.57433.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> KathySnow: Speaking of new codes, should we possibly anticipate what new codes should definitely be added before we start to code the post OOP threads; i.e. the Veil, Snape's Worst Memory, (etc.)? We can always code these to the chapters they appear in butI think these two subjects will be back to haunt us in one of the next two books. C - I think adding the Veil to 3.8.6 Magical Items would be ok, but not quite so sure about Snape's Worst Memory because that is the actual title of OOP, Chap 28. Ginger: I would think a categoty that would encompass all flashbacks from during Occ. lessons would be handy- the boy shooting flies, Ripper, and we could include what was in the pensieve or leave that seperate to the category, depending on what people think. C: Eg there has been a long SHIP thread on Harry and Ginny, where I probably kept maybe 3-4 posts out of over a 100. G: Bless your little heart. Shipping is one of those categories where one good post out of 100 is plenty. If they're that interested, they can thread it on main. Miss Havisham curled her lip in contempt. 'School sports?' she spat. 'Teenagers?' The nerve of these people thinking to offer up RL excuses at this critical juncture. The foghorn roared: 'ALL LEAVE IS CANCELLED' 'ALL STAFF TO REPORT TO CATALOGUE OFFICE PROMPTLY AT 7AM ' She went to check the locks. Once they were here, they'd see who was boss. G: If you please, miss, may I have 45 minutes off to mow my lawn? It finally quit raining, and it's my birthday. 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URL: From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Fri Jun 17 11:54:59 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:54:59 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Back to the grind/happy birthday In-Reply-To: <20050617111202.57433.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050617111202.57433.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050617115459.GL23108@4dot0.net> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:12:02AM -0700, Ginger wrote: > C: Eg there has been a > long SHIP thread on Harry and Ginny, where I probably kept maybe 3-4 > posts out of over a 100. > > G: Bless your little heart. Shipping is one of those categories where one > good post out of 100 is plenty. If they're that interested, they can thread > it on main. They seem to be using the movies as a conversational gambit in the 55400's ... bad move. Did I mention I hate wands and brooms? And threads where we count all the Hogwarts students statistically?! > G: If you please, miss, may I have 45 minutes off to mow my lawn? It > finally quit raining, and it's my birthday. I'll code another 100 before I > start mowing. Oooh wait til I get the chainsaw next week "And THAT'S for the Snape thread! And THAT's for anything to do with Pettigrew and Gryffindor! And THAT and THAT and THAT is for magical items!! And THIS...is for even SUGGESTING Harry is gay!!!" > Ginger, 39 today hippo birdy two ewes hippo birdy two ewes hippo birdy deer ginger... hippo birdy two ewes! -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 15:42:34 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:42:34 -0000 Subject: Just who is he? Message-ID: Check out post #55793. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this appears to be the dreaded Hans' first post on HPfGU. He has a bewildering number of names. In this one he posts under 'Ibot Bracchae-Breves'. As agreed, he is being bunged under Alchemy/Rosicrucianism.. but watch out for him from now on. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Fri Jun 17 16:05:55 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:05:55 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Just who is he? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050617160555.GM23108@4dot0.net> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:42:34PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Check out post #55793. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but this appears to be the dreaded Hans' first > post on HPfGU. He has a bewildering number of names. In this one he > posts under 'Ibot Bracchae-Breves'. > > As agreed, he is being bunged under Alchemy/Rosicrucianism.. but watch > out for him from now on. sneaky....but he rather ruined the effect by signing his real name :) -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 16:28:16 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:28:16 -0000 Subject: Just who is he?/Beware Stoned!Harry In-Reply-To: <20050617160555.GM23108@4dot0.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 03:42:34PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > > Check out post #55793. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but this appears to be the dreaded Hans' first > > post on HPfGU. He has a bewildering number of names. In this one he > > posts under 'Ibot Bracchae-Breves'. > > > > As agreed, he is being bunged under Alchemy/Rosicrucianism.. but watch > > out for him from now on. > > sneaky....but he rather ruined the effect by signing his real name :) > Carolyn (later): But be very careful, a simultaneous thread based on Stoned!Harry has also just started. I am only coding it to that heading under Harry, not alchemy under symbolism for the time being. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Fri Jun 17 16:35:19 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:35:19 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Just who is he?/Beware Stoned!Harry In-Reply-To: References: <20050617160555.GM23108@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050617163519.GN23108@4dot0.net> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:28:16PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Carolyn (later): > But be very careful, a simultaneous thread based on Stoned!Harry has > also just started. I am only coding it to that heading under Harry, not > alchemy under symbolism for the time being. Ok. I've been keeping a eye out for tell-tale signatures, though. Are you really going to code 200 posts? I know I've done a few in the last few days, but I can't look at that many numbers at once, the last time my brain nearly melted! -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Jun 17 18:20:42 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:20:42 -0000 Subject: Slytherins Message-ID: Here's the report: Code name Before Now 2.6.2 Crabbe 49 23 2.6.3 Goyle 50 22 2.6.4 Nott 5 2 2.6.5 Zabini 9 6 2.6.6 Flint 12 5 2.6.7 Parkinson 25 15 2.6.3 Bulstrode 3 1 The nice thing about doing a cluster of codes, is that when you do one post, you're looking at several codes at once. 49 Crabbe posts + 50 Goyle posts = 50 total posts. I think the numbers will change a bit with OoP. Oh, did you know that Crabbe, Goyle, and Zabini all have Saints' names? I guess in a way, Marcus Flint does too (ST. Mark) Standard comment, don't code if it's just in passing. We don't need any more "How stupid are Crabbe and Goyle?" posts. I came across several posts that had been coded to "review coding" but without a note as to why. I know I did some of that early on, but I think in the long run it would help to know why a coder wanted a second look made at the post. Who's reviewing the Chapter Codes, and how far have you gotten? I considered rejecting a few posts that only had that code left, but thought perhaps the post worked in that heading. I wasn't sure if it had really been reviewed yet. Happy Birthday, Ginger! Kathy(oh to be 39 again)W. Kathy W. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Jun 17 20:20:33 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:20:33 -0000 Subject: Chapter Reviews & Happy B-day Ginger!!! ( Re: Slytherins) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kathy W.: > Who's reviewing the Chapter Codes, and how far have you gotten? I > considered rejecting a few posts that only had that code left, but > thought perhaps the post worked in that heading. I wasn't sure if it > had really been reviewed yet. > > Happy Birthday, Ginger! > > Kathy(oh to be 39 again)W. "KATHY!" Jen glared at Potioncat with silent bewilderment, deciding to forgive her since she's dealing with both teenagers and no air conditioning. "You haven't been reading my coding reviews, *have* you?" Because you would know not only did I finish reviewing all the chapters, but also compiled an extensive list that you are *supposed to print out and use* for coding events to chapters. I'm feeling unappreciated now, *sniff, sniff* Anyhoo, I did keep a couple of questionable posts, esp. on minor events, just to have a few intact threads. Most of these wouldn't make it anywhere else, but the chapter sections are shaping up to be a nice place for all the little events that won't be discussed in depth otherwise. And Happy Birthday, Ginger! I knew we were simpatico after the Meat Loaf FILK at HH. I'll be 38 on June 26th ;). No presents please, money will do. Jen From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Jun 17 17:16:35 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:16:35 -0000 Subject: Post 56163.... Message-ID: I have often thought that it was a terrible shame that so many wonderful posts to this board end up buried deep in the archives, never to be seen again. I myself have participated in, or simply read, many threads which delved into symbolism, foreshadowing, ect. in the HP books. Sadly, this board has little in the way of search functions, so most have never been seen again. It would be a monumental task to re-read every post to this board, but if somebody were to do so, marking out the 'significant' posts along the way, it would be of enormous value. This would be a HUGE task, as this board is currently using 197 MB, compared to the 90 KB for 15 000 words of my post. By simple algebra, 197 MB would be roughly 33 million words, in over 56 000 posts - 600 words per post. The actual value would be something less than this number - maybe half, which is still greater than 15 million words. Now, regarding the collected posts that you are referring to, many of the original posters are still active on this board, and can speak for themselves. As for myself, I have no problem with the idea, as this would keep the ideas discussed in them in public view. However, I should point out that this was an abridged version of the original posts, with much of the incidental back-and-forth chatter removed. Bill From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Jun 17 21:28:44 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:28:44 -0000 Subject: Chapter Reviews & Happy B-day Ginger!!! ( Re: Slytherins) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > "KATHY!" Jen glared at Potioncat with silent bewilderment, deciding to > forgive her since she's dealing with both teenagers and no air > conditioning. "You haven't been reading my coding reviews, *have* you?" Potioncat groans, and thinks, it's always like this when someone gets promoted. Pretty soon they act just like the other bosses! "Actually, Miss Jen, I have read your reviews, and very good they were too! I just couldn't recall if you had finished. And let's see, I think my printer was down when you first provided the guide and it slipped my mind once the new printer came...and, did I mention I have teenagers?" So at any rate, I did the right thing by leaving them coced to the chapter heading. (And I did go back and take a look at the guide. Although I will have to wait until Monday to print it out.) I finished the batch of codes. There was one "Hermione and Harry are siblings" that was worthy of Snape. The poster suggested that James was hardly the type to be faithful and Hermione was the product of his affair with a Muggle. (James' affair, not the poster's affair.) Kathy W From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat Jun 18 04:46:21 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:46:21 -0000 Subject: Racial & Cultural diversity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie: > > Jen, have you finished 1.2.10.5? If so, that's another big > category > > we can check off as complete, as I've finished with all the rest > of > > the headings (at least according to the first database). Jen: OK, reviewed the posts in 1.2.10.5 so that Debbie's section is now finished (I marked this section as completed in the review database). Original: 137 Current: 121 Most posts were relevant, most related to class issues and/or portrayl of men/women, as well as this section. I have to say this section was an educational experience. I didn't realize the extent of clues about class issues which are apparently clear to Brits and some Americans, but went straight over my head. Take the Dursleys---reading the Daily Mail, saying 'ruddy' and wanting a vacation home in Majorca indicated lower middle rather than straight middle class. And Neville, from a working class background? News to me. Learn something new every day 'round here. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 18 06:32:58 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:32:58 +1000 Subject: More Hans/dursley hate Message-ID: <20050618063258.GA20562@4dot0.net> In post #56254 Hans crops again, this time amusingly as "Ivan Vablatsky". Bit of a giveaway that, as is the title "HP and the Alchemical Wedding". I'm beginning to run into major threads concerning DD's cruelty to Harry by Dursley-torture, and that darrin_burnett character seems a rather touchy correspondent. Thank heavens for light-relief like Vampire!Snape. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 18 06:53:52 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 16:53:52 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Just who is he?/Beware Stoned!Harry In-Reply-To: References: <20050617160555.GM23108@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050618065352.GB20562@4dot0.net> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:28:16PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Carolyn (later): > But be very careful, a simultaneous thread based on Stoned!Harry has > also just started. I am only coding it to that heading under Harry, not > alchemy under symbolism for the time being. Actually, here's a tricky one: #56297 in which mongo62aa not only agrees with Hans, but sketches out some symbolism and adds links to appropriate material. Definitely not Stoned!Harry. Looks like Hans has gathered a follower there :) -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From kking0731 at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 14:58:31 2005 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:58:31 -0000 Subject: Double code Message-ID: I just noticed while coding that there are two of the same code under Neville. WINCH 2.5.4.7 which has 2 posts coded to it and WINCH 2.5.4.17 that has one post under it. KathySnow From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat Jun 18 18:59:40 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:59:40 -0000 Subject: Characterisation--Two technical issues Message-ID: 1) There are only two posts in 1.2.10 Characterisation, which I can move to another spot. Don't know what can be done, though. We have to have this section differentiated from the other Literary Analysis topics. 2) There are two 1.2.10.3's: HONDA and Character development. Also, HONDA and PACMAN only have 7 posts total, although they are better left 'as is' in case we have more posts later, right? Jen, who was aghast to see she signed herself up for yet *another* 1000+ review category in a moment of peppy rah-rah BS last Spring. ;) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Jun 18 20:18:51 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:18:51 -0000 Subject: Misc replies Message-ID: Ginger: I would think a categoty that would encompass all flashbacks from during Occ. lessons would be handy- the boy shooting flies, Ripper, and we could include what was in the pensieve or leave that seperate to the category, depending on what people think. C - we already have an Occlumency and a Legilimency code under 3.8.4 Spells, potions & incantations. How would we distinguish what went where? ********** Ginger, 39 today C - hope it was a good one! That makes you a Virgo, I think - an obsessive list maker. Very handy for cataloguing.. ******** Potioncat: Who's reviewing the Chapter Codes, and how far have you gotten? "KATHY!" Jen glared at Potioncat with silent bewilderment, deciding to forgive her since she's dealing with both teenagers and no air conditioning. I'm feeling unappreciated now, *sniff, sniff* Miss Havisham took swift action and strung up Kathy using Filch's leg- irons. Oh yes, the old methods were definitely the best. 'You can stay there until Jen lets you down' she said sternly. 'Your teenagers can make their own meals this weekend'. Smiling sweetly, she gave the padlock keys to Jen, who had stopped sniffing abruptly, and was now smiling gleefully. 'You're in charge...' *************** Jen: I have to say this section was an educational experience. I didn't realize the extent of clues about class issues which are apparently clear to Brits and some Americans, but went straight over my head. Take the Dursleys---reading the Daily Mail, saying 'ruddy' and wanting a vacation home in Majorca indicated lower middle rather than straight middle class. And Neville, from a working class background? News to me. Carolyn: Yes, Vernon and Petunia are the worst sort of Daily Mail readers, definitely. Neville, though, far less clues. I would not have said working class myself. The family strike me as shabby genteel, upper middle class types who are down on their luck. If they wern't wizards they would be vicars or schoolteachers maybe. ********** Sean: that darrin_burnett character seems a rather touchy correspondent. C - you should have been here the evening Kneasy gave him a thrashing. Talk about a bar room brawl, I couldn't leave my computer! ********* KathySnow: I just noticed while coding that there are two of the same code under Neville. WINCH 2.5.4.7 which has 2 posts coded to it and WINCH 2.5.4.17 that has one post under it. C - thanks for picking this up, I have now merged the two together. *********** Jen: 2) There are two 1.2.10.3's: HONDA and Character development. Also, HONDA and PACMAN only have 7 posts total, although they are better left 'as is' in case we have more posts later, right? C - I only see one HONDA (?). There are two PACMANs - two acronyms with different meanings. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 18 21:34:45 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 07:34:45 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Darrin/filks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050618213445.GC20562@4dot0.net> On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 08:18:51PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Sean: > that darrin_burnett character seems a rather touchy correspondent. > > C - you should have been here the evening Kneasy gave him a > thrashing. Talk about a bar room brawl, I couldn't leave my computer! Do tell, post #'s please :) He's been snapping posters heads off right left and centre. He's not a bad theorist, but a touch combative. I must say, the filks have continued to improve: #56782 was a sterling effort to capture the essence of Revolution No. 9/I am the Walrus. But for true light relief, you can't go past the delightful filk musicals at http://home.att.net/~coriolan/musical/table5.htm I recommend Fahrenheit 10/31: The Musical. It got me through the last 200+ posts, which alas are still dreadful pre-OotP. Sean, a VERY tired penguin from trying to keep up with the blinding coding speed of Miss Havisham, falls limply back with a soft splash into his portable wading pool at Code Central, readjusts his manacles, puts straw hat over beak and begins to snore.... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From dicentra at xmission.com Sun Jun 19 03:25:28 2005 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:25:28 -0000 Subject: Surfacing Message-ID: Carolyn suggested I let you in on what I'm doing with the dread Good vs. Evil category before I get too far into it. Though it might be too late for that, as I've waded fairly far into it already and my kill ratio has been rather high... I hope that ends up being OK. I've been keeping all those posts that discuss in the abstract what constitutes Good and Evil in the Potterverse (or Good and Evil in general) and discarding those posts that speculate whether a character is good or evil and can be redeemed (unless the post also attempts to define Good or Evil in general). I'm in the 32000s, so I've not yet come to the really frenetic epoch of ESE speculation yet. There's a separate category for ESE, is there not? I've also kept posts that speculate as to whether Good or Evil will triumph and why. I've kept some interesting threads intact. I've discarded lots of posts that are just plain lame in their treatment of the topic. If I've run afoul of Cataloging Conventions, let me know soon, because I'm buring it up! --Dicentra, who plans to keep all her own posts intact and to discard those of her enemies' Bwahahaha! From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 03:46:24 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Misc replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050619034624.96841.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger (before): I would think a categoty that would encompass all flashbacks from during Occ. lessons would be handy- the boy shooting flies, Ripper, and we could include what was in the pensieve or leave that seperate to the category, depending on what people think. C - we already have an Occlumency and a Legilimency code under 3.8.4 Spells, potions & incantations. How would we distinguish what went where? Ginger now: Aaargh, me not clear. Must focus. I had thought that the Occ/Leg categories were for discussions about the spells or art (or whatever) of actually doing it, and those delightful conversations where everyone has pedagogial expertise. What I was thinking was a category for the actual visions. Was Snape the little boy crying? If not, was he the man? What does this mean for Snape's future? How are we to see him now? That sort of thing. Kneasy's snot nosed kid threory, for example. I don't consider those to be occ/leg in nature as they aren't talking about it, but rather what we know because of it. Clearer? Ginger, 39 today C - hope it was a good one! That makes you a Virgo, I think - an obsessive list maker. Very handy for cataloguing.. G: Nope, Gemini. Twins. Um, able to do the work of 2 people. Or maybe you have to explain everything twice. I really don't know about that stuff. I am an excessive list maker, though. Just wait until my Lupin report tomorrow or the next day. ********** Sean: that darrin_burnett character seems a rather touchy correspondent. C - you should have been here the evening Kneasy gave him a thrashing. Talk about a bar room brawl, I couldn't leave my computer! G: He was the least dull spot on the list. Read him as though he has a big smile on his face, and take everything with a grain of salt. I miss him. ********* Ginger, finally having hit a few lots of messages that were largely rejectable. Still basking in the "Anat. of a Rift" afterglow. Hi, DS! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Jun 19 12:38:49 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:38:49 -0000 Subject: Longbottom Interim Report Message-ID: The foghorn roared: 'ALL LEAVE IS CANCELLED' 'ALL STAFF TO REPORT TO CATALOGUE OFFICE PROMPTLY AT 7AM ' Miss Havisham continued: "Site is back up now BTW & what a great TBAY from Neri on main." Agreed, and with cataloguing benefits, too. It has prodded me to complete the Longbottom review, to provide ammunition for a response. The interim Lombottomi report: Frank: was 86, now 49 Alice: was 65, now 26 Neville: This will take awhile. There are 600 posts here, and I've managed about 100 so far. As for his acronyms: L.I.G.H.T.N.I.N.G. is misspelled in the catalogue. There is no E. Kathy already caught the double W.I.N.C.H. M.A.T.C.H.I.N.G.A.R.M.C.H.A.I.R. was cut from 25 to 18 posts. I know, I could have cut further, but I *won* the MATCHINGARMCHAIR battle and I had to preserve that, you know . . . . Potioncat pipes up: > I finished the batch of codes. There was one "Hermione and Harry are > siblings" that was worthy of Snape. The poster suggested that James > was hardly the type to be faithful and Hermione was the product of > his affair with a Muggle. (James' affair, not the poster's affair.) Wait a minute! I thought *Neville* was James' love-child. And his mom was Florence. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/35878 Debbie From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 19 13:10:23 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:10:23 -0000 Subject: Time turning/Good n'evil/revenge.. Message-ID: KathyW: >James was hardly the type to be faithful and Hermione was the product of his affair with a Muggle. Debbie: Wait a minute! I thought *Neville* was James' love-child. And his mom was Florence. C - aargh..just look at the time-turning theories if you think it gets wild. Can't begin to summarise the nonsense, but would just like to draw people's attentions to REDHEAD ALWAYS, TTTR and BALDERDASH. These are good place to put time theories rather than stashing them under 'Time turner/travel/ or the character main headings. ********* Debbie: L.I.G.H.T.N.I.N.G. is misspelled in the catalogue. There is no E. C- will correct. ***************** Dicentra: I've been keeping all those posts that discuss in the abstract what constitutes Good and Evil in the Potterverse (or Good and Evil in general) and discarding those posts that speculate whether a character is good or evil and can be redeemed (unless the post also attempts to define Good or Evil in general). I'm in the 32000s, so I've not yet come to the really frenetic epoch of ESE speculation yet. There's a separate category for ESE, is there not? I've also kept posts that speculate as to whether Good or Evil will triumph and why. I've kept some interesting threads intact. I've discarded lots of posts that are just plain lame in their treatment of the topic. C - my main interest in this section is its potential or actual overlap with the morality sections. How are you distinguishing good n'evil discussions versus eg the rule breaking stuff, and also the freewill/choice stuff. They frequently get discussed in the same posts. ***************** Debbie: Seriously, I've been tempted to add to the top of some of the pending messages I've approved, "Note to Cataloguers: Tedious repetition. Reject without reading." --Dicentra, who plans to keep all her own posts intact and to discard those of her enemies' Bwahahaha! C - so nice to see evidence of the calm, balanced, fair approach that members of Admin take when they finally get a chance for revenge.... not good for you, bottling it all up y'know. ********************* Sean: Do tell, post #'s please :) He's been snapping posters heads off right left and centre. He's not a bad theorist, but a touch combative. C - Kneasy informs me that these reflect the heat of the battle from his side, but you need to look at how the argument built that day and the day before. It started off as Snape-bashing session, but then got very personal. All the analytically-challenged fluffies on the list wet their knickers in the hope that Darrin would win the day. Some hope - last heard of in intensive care. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/101118 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/101183 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/102008 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/102061 From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 19 13:24:27 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:24:27 -0000 Subject: Can the debate sink any lower? Message-ID: >From post 57902: And finally: You know that game where if a bunch of kids are in sleeping bags or on a bed, one child yells "Steamroller!" and rolls over everyone else?!? What would you call it in the Wizarding World - seeing as how they have no steam rollers? ~Squee From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sun Jun 19 13:46:29 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 23:46:29 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Time turning/Good n'evil/revenge.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050619134628.GD20562@4dot0.net> On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 01:10:23PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > C - Kneasy informs me that these reflect the heat of the battle from > his side, but you need to look at how the argument built that day and > the day before. It started off as Snape-bashing session, but then got > very personal. All the analytically-challenged fluffies on the list > wet their knickers in the hope that Darrin would win the day. Some > hope - last heard of in intensive care. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/101118 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/101183 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/102008 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/102061 Talk about your surgical strikes! I've been through several interminable threads about the badness of Snape as teacher in the last few days, and although I can sympathise with the feelings of students who have been terrorized by teachers (I was too), it really doesn't apply to Snape. Here's a couple of posts, #56635 (pro-Snape and so persuasive it deserved an FP) and #56667, the best-reasoned reply. No, Snape isn't nice, but yes, Harry completely and continually misjudges him. I'm afraid anti-Snapers will have a hard time dealing with Harry's eventual reappraisal, hopefully in HBP. Well, I've done it now, I've joined the forces of darkness :) mmmm, water's warm and the fish are tasty! -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Jun 19 15:58:23 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:58:23 -0000 Subject: Time turning/Good n'evil/revenge.. In-Reply-To: <20050619134628.GD20562@4dot0.net> Message-ID: Sean said: Talk about your surgical strikes! Kathy W: THAT'S who Lupinlore reminds me of! And that's why it's so darn frustrating that Kneasy isn't on the list anymore! I think that was the thread where I actally convinced myself I didn't have to read every post. Darin drove me crazy! I notice he kept it up even after the Admin team issued a statement. Potioncat, still upside down. Very glad I don't wear loose robes and grey underwear, and very tired of eating the teens' idea of four food groups: ramen noodles, easy mac, canned ravioli and spaghettios. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 16:48:07 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:48:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: listees In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050619164807.75309.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sean said: Talk about your surgical strikes! Kathy W: THAT'S who Lupinlore reminds me of! And that's why it's so darn frustrating that Kneasy isn't on the list anymore! Ginger: Darrin reminds you of Lupinlore? Oh, dear, no. I like Darrin. I loved it when he and Kneasy got into it. I was cheering both of them on. Where we are in coding is about where I joined the list. Darrin was a nice breath of reality as I wasn't used to "list speak" yet. I basicly sat and wondered if everyone actually talked like that in real life or if I was some sort of mutant. Then along comes Darrin and sets the PC crowd on its ear and made me feel normal again. Delighful. Ah, yes, those were the days. 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In the batch I just finished, even old Grey Wolf tried to sit him down and said "Steady on, old chap! You're throwing logic out the window...", to no avail, of course. A more violently pro-Harry fan I have not yet seen. > Ginger: > Darrin reminds you of Lupinlore? Oh, dear, no. I like Darrin. I loved it > when he and Kneasy got into it. I was cheering both of them on. Well a good spar can be fun for spectators, but I got the impression that Darrin was rather like Lupinlore in that match, taking it personally, demanding that his view ie "right-thinking people" prevail with not a shred of canon behind it, and when this lack of canon was pointed out, decided that Kneasy was one-eyed! He was clearly baffled by a POV that did not share his emotive position, entertaining though it might be. > Where we are in coding is about where I joined the list. Darrin was a nice > breath of reality as I wasn't used to "list speak" yet. I basicly sat and > wondered if everyone actually talked like that in real life or if I was some > sort of mutant. Then along comes Darrin and sets the PC crowd on its ear > and made me feel normal again. Delighful. I can understand the style, but a sentiment like "Hermione should've stepped on her. Screw the glass cage." in reference to Rita Skeeter, doesn't give me the warm fuzzies and I'm not PC in the least. Then again, when I think of Dolores Umbridge, I keep picturing the fat Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Ark I saying "Keel zem. Keel zem all!" Next to that kind of evil Rita is mundane, and undeserving of a squishing. Anyone seen the rubber ring? Who's for a daiquiri? -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Jun 19 18:20:52 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:20:52 -0000 Subject: Time turning/Good n'evil/revenge..& Carolyn Q. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Potioncat, still upside down. Very glad I don't wear loose robes and > grey underwear, and very tired of eating the teens' idea of four food > groups: ramen noodles, easy mac, canned ravioli and spaghettios. Jen: "Oh dear! Kathy already decided I'm the *worst* sort of Muggle-- -a manager---and now this! Carolyn should know better than to leave the keys with a bleeding-heart social worker." Jen unlocked the manacles, but not before Potioncat vowed to reject all of Jen's posts sight unseen, and never, EVER, buy boxed & canned noodle products. ************************************************************* Here was our exchange, Carolyn: J-There are two 1.2.10.3's: HONDA and Character development. Also, HONDA and PACMAN only have 7 posts total, although they are better left 'as is' in case we have more posts later, right? C - I only see one HONDA (?). There are two PACMANs - two acronyms with different meanings. Now Jen: What I meant was both HONDA and Character Development have the category code of 1.2.10.3. The rest we can decide later so I'll just drop that part. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 19 19:09:20 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:09:20 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 19th Message-ID: PROGRESS Well, pretty amazing effort this week! A big thanks to those of you helping me with this. We have now coded 64992 posts in total, and rejected 36770 (a satisfying 56.5%, up 1% on last week). We managed a record 5368 posts, with 8 people crashing away at the keyboards. Going at this speed we will easily reach post 61393 next week, as there are only another 3493 posts to go. At that point we should stop coding and concentrate on the reviews - we have now done nearly 60 of the 106 sections. It's kind of odd I find to be coding on the list at almost the exact same time of year as now, and drifting up to the publication of a new book, eerie even. CODING ERRORS Could we look at the reject status on the following posts: (me) 58016, 56455, 57763 Sean 57259 KathySnow 54366 TECH STUFF I have alerted Paul and Tim to our rate of progress, but have to warn you all they are heavily immersed in FictionAlley and Accio respectively. I hope they can give some time to the project before July 16th. From dicentra at xmission.com Mon Jun 20 01:26:12 2005 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:26:12 -0000 Subject: Good n'evil/revenge.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > C - my main interest in this section is its potential or actual > overlap with the morality sections. How are you distinguishing good > n'evil discussions versus eg the rule breaking stuff, and also the > freewill/choice stuff. They frequently get discussed in the same > posts. I haven't run into much of the rulebreaking stuff. When I do, isn't there a separate category for rulebreaking? I'd move them there. I also save freewill and choice for its own category. > --Dicentra, who plans to keep all her own posts intact and to discard > those of her enemies Bwahahaha! > > C - so nice to see evidence of the calm, balanced, fair approach that > members of Admin take when they finally get a chance for revenge.... > not good for you, bottling it all up y'know. I always ask myself, WWSD? (What Would Snape Do?) I figure it fits in thematically with the task at hand. From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 06:02:46 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:02:46 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories Message-ID: Okay, I think I have a handle on what categories we need, but I am very much open to suggestions here (dang indecisiveness). I can't give you totals because I haven't gone through all the 2000-odd posts, but I can tell you there's much pruning to be done. To begin with, I sorted Harry's subcodes into new categories like this: 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK .......................... 2.5.1.4 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.1.5 ASTONISHED 2.5.1.6 BALDERDASH 2.5.1.7 CHIMPANZEE 2.5.1.8 PASHMINAS .......................... 2.5.1.9 Training, Protection, Powers 2.5.1.10 Harry's Eyes 2.5.1.11 Harry's Scar 2.5.1.12 Harry's Dreams 2.5.1.13 Stoned!Harry 2.5.1.14 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE 2.5.1.15 DRIBBLE .......................... 2.5.1.16 Parentage/Ancestry 2.5.1.17 HIS SWORD .......................... 2.5.1.18 Versus LV & DEs 2.5.1.19 HELP & LACERATE 2.5.1.20 TIME TURNER The categories are grouped together by theme, separated by the dotted lines. So, for example, "Harry's Eyes" and "PHILOSOPHER'S STONE" both have to do with "Training, Protection, Powers." However, only the general "Harry Potter" category is a level 4; all the following categories are level 5. Of the acronyms, BALDERDASH contains the most -- 10 posts, but one is a duplicate. The category consists of a thread about whether Harry time-turns back to his infancy. Very little of the thread specifically has to do with "Boy As Lord Denies Every Reasonable Determination About Scrupulous Harry" -- that LV cannot be Harry timeturned, because Harry's nice and LV isn't. I suggest folding it all into the Harry category. Four have yet to be coded to: BIC LIGHTER ANOTHER HARRY TIME TURNER DRIBBLE Three are orphan acronyms, coined and then forgotten, whose posts would not otherwise have been coded to Harry on their merits: CHIMPANZEE ASTONISHED HELP & LACERATE The others have up to three worthy posts, but really could be folded into their respective thematic categories: HARD SHIPWRECK (2 posts, begins at 37528) HIS SWORD (3 so far, begins at 57978) SHARK ATTACK (1 post at 37540) PASHMINAS (1 post at 47124 -- recall other mentions in passing, but not much debate) PHILOSOPHER'S STONE (2 posts, begins at 38604) None of Harry's acronyms really have legs; his only ongoing named theory is Stoned!Harry. *************************************************************** CONCLUSIONS: If we are keeping the acronyms, I suggest that we might want to treat Harry Potter the same as the Snape category, i.e. have: 2.5 Gryffindor Students (Harry Only) 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK 2.5.2 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.2.0 ASTONISHED 2.5.2.1 BALDERDASH 2.5.2.2 CHIMPANZEE [...] etc., in order to sort them all into subcategories indicated by the rows of dots way up at the beginning of my post. This way, if we do take them out later, it won't disrupt too much of the numbering system (it will disrupt it quite a bit to make this change now, though -- we'd have to renumber *all* the following character categories if Harry takes the 2.5s all to himself). On the other hand, if we get rid of the acronyms, we can group the categories thematically like this: 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.1.1 Parents/Ancestry 2.5.1.2 Versus LV & DEs 2.5.1.3 Training, Powers, Protections 2.5.1.4 Harry's Eyes (22 posts) 2.5.1.5 Harry's Scar (44) 2.5.1.6 Harry's Dreams (43) 2.5.1.7 Stoned!Harry (48) This way I think is much easier to view, and it will be quite easy to, say, add 2.5.1.8 The Prophecy, or any other new category that we might need. In this grouping, everything from 2.5.1.4 on down can be considered as subcategories of 2.5.1.3, but we aren't coding down to fifth level, and I think it's still clear enough. Otherwise, we could compromise, and number new categories as I have at the top of the post, keeping all the acronyms, but 20 subcategories in a line just looks really bloated to me. What do people think? Do you think you could code to these? Do you think they need to be readjusted? Which organisation style is best? Anne, the hair on whose head looks like Vernon Dursley's moustache on a bad day From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Mon Jun 20 06:30:08 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:30:08 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050620063008.GG20562@4dot0.net> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 06:02:46AM -0000, annemehr wrote: > What do people think? Do you think you could code to these? Do you > think they need to be readjusted? Which organisation style is best? Firstly, my deep admiration for completing a massive and difficult code. My suggestion would be to fold all the minor acronyms under an "Other Theories" subcat; and depending on how the final catalogue is formatted, people can investigate that subcategory at will. I suspect a great deal of Snape and Dumbledore needs to be dealt with in a similar way. There is, I agree, a great deal of clutter by obscure acronyms that could be better organized. > Anne, > the hair on whose head looks like Vernon Dursley's moustache on a bad day Sounds like my beard which has been described as 'unruly'. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 07:51:44 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050620075144.17218.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> annemehr wrote: CONCLUSIONS: If we are keeping the acronyms, I suggest that we might want to treat Harry Potter the same as the Snape category, i.e. have: 2.5 Gryffindor Students (Harry Only) 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK 2.5.2 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.2.0 ASTONISHED 2.5.2.1 BALDERDASH 2.5.2.2 CHIMPANZEE [...] etc., in order to sort them all into subcategories indicated by the rows of dots way up at the beginning of my post. This way, if we do take them out later, it won't disrupt too much of the numbering system (it will disrupt it quite a bit to make this change now, though -- we'd have to renumber *all* the following character categories if Harry takes the 2.5s all to himself). Ginger grabs Anne and gives her a big, huge, SMOTHERING handshake. What a job! I like the above. I believe I remember Miss saying that if an acronym doesn't generate 5 posts, we will fold it in with the others. Anne, the hair on whose head looks like Vernon Dursley's moustache on a bad day Ginger: Just be glad your mustache doesn't look like Vernon's hair. Sigh. Back to Lupin. (side note to Carolyn: the next Remus review won't be in for a couple of days. The final is still set for next weekend. Dratted computer keeps forgetting who I am.) --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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(I'm assuming the TBAY posts would also have TBAY coded?) KathySnow: I'm going to ditto Kathy's vote here for the same reason, much easier to determine where to place a post for us as catalogers and easier for the public to access the points they would like to look up; much neater. Great Job, Anne! From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 15:50:48 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:50:48 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Don't thank me yet -- I haven't actually moved/rejected any posts, just made a lot of notes. <_< ~Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 17:04:16 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:04:16 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: The categories are grouped together by theme, separated by the dotted lines. So, for example, "Harry's Eyes" and "PHILOSOPHER'S STONE" both have to do with "Training, Protection, Powers." However, only the general "Harry Potter" category is a level 4; all the following categories are level 5. C - I think this is the way to go. For the time being, I would prefer to keep the acronyms showing under the new sub-headings, although we will have to get rid of them in the end in order to eliminate the level 5 heads. Probably, as you suggest, we should treat Harry like Snape (oh, the irony..LL will not like it) and give him his own section which may make this easier to handle. For now, the main thing is to decide on your sub-heads and start the sort out. Anne: Of the acronyms, BALDERDASH contains the most -- 10 posts, but one is a duplicate. The category consists of a thread about whether Harry time-turns back to his infancy. Very little of the thread specifically has to do with "Boy As Lord Denies Every Reasonable Determination About Scrupulous Harry" -- that LV cannot be Harry timeturned, because Harry's nice and LV isn't. I suggest folding it all into the Harry category. C - I am rather guilty here. I have recently come across many ludicrous time-turned Harry posts, and for want of a better heading, I have put them under BALDERDASH. However, they shouldn't be folded into the general Harry category: I think you need another sub-head - something like 'Harry time-turner theories', to group all this nonsense in one place. To my mind, the TT posts are rather different in type to the character analysis (eg is he boring, answer yes), which I imagine should be under the general head . Anne: Three are orphan acronyms, coined and then forgotten, whose posts would not otherwise have been coded to Harry on their merits: CHIMPANZEE ASTONISHED HELP & LACERATE The others have up to three worthy posts, but really could be folded into their respective thematic categories: HARD SHIPWRECK (2 posts, begins at 37528) HIS SWORD (3 so far, begins at 57978) SHARK ATTACK (1 post at 37540) PASHMINAS (1 post at 47124 -- recall other mentions in passing, but not much debate) PHILOSOPHER'S STONE (2 posts, begins at 38604) None of Harry's acronyms really have legs; his only ongoing named theory is Stoned!Harry. C - As I said, I think they should be shown as level 5 sub-heads for the time being, but arranged under their thematic head, ready for the chop when the job's done. I thought HIS SWORD had some legs - Merlin/Arthur legend syndrome; I think I have coded quite a bit there recently. Re Stoned!Harry, and to answer an off-list query: Anne: I don't need to add an Alchemy/Rosicrucianism category to the Stoned!Harry posts, do I? I guess it would fit there, but it's such a nice, discrete theory on its own, I hesitate to duplicate coding like that. C - no, if a post strays into both, we can code to both, but otherwise I'd like to keep alchemy/rosicrucianism separate, and a pen for Hans' madness. Sean: My suggestion would be to fold all the minor acronyms under an "Other Theories" subcat; and depending on how the final catalogue is formatted, people can investigate that subcategory at will. I suspect a great deal of Snape and Dumbledore needs to be dealt with in a similar way. There is, I agree, a great deal of clutter by obscure acronyms that could be better organized. C - sorry, I fundamentally disagree. Anne's suggestion is far better. I don't want to see the words 'other' or 'general' anywhere in the catalogue if we can help it. It is much more useful to have a topic (eg Harry & time-turning), with acronyms folded into it if we so decide, than have a category 'Harry - other theories' and have no idea what is in it. Carolyn seconding everyone else's thanks for the time this has taken, and looking the Voldie section straight in the eye... From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 19:08:53 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:08:53 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne, last night: > The categories are grouped together by theme, separated by the dotted > lines. So, for example, "Harry's Eyes" and "PHILOSOPHER'S STONE" both > have to do with "Training, Protection, Powers." However, only the > general "Harry Potter" category is a level 4; all the following > categories are level 5. > > C - I think this is the way to go. For the time being, I would prefer > to keep the acronyms showing under the new sub-headings, although we > will have to get rid of them in the end in order to eliminate the > level 5 heads. Probably, as you suggest, we should treat Harry like > Snape (oh, the irony..LL will not like it) and give him his own > section which may make this easier to handle. For now, the main thing > is to decide on your sub-heads and start the sort out. Anne now: Argh! I made a mistake -- in the very first example, the general Harry category was level 3, the same as it is now, with *all* the subcategories level 4. Without the dotted lines and inserted definitions, it would look like this: 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK 2.5.1.4 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.1.5 ASTONISHED 2.5.1.6 BALDERDASH 2.5.1.7 CHIMPANZEE 2.5.1.8 PASHMINAS 2.5.1.9 Training, Protection, Powers 2.5.1.10 Harry's Eyes 2.5.1.11 Harry's Scar 2.5.1.12 Harry's Dreams 2.5.1.13 Stoned!Harry 2.5.1.14 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE 2.5.1.15 DRIBBLE 2.5.1.16 Parentage/Ancestry 2.5.1.17 HIS SWORD 2.5.1.18 Versus LV & DEs 2.5.1.19 HELP & LACERATE 2.5.1.20 TIME TURNER > Anne, last night: > Of the acronyms, BALDERDASH contains the most > > C - I am rather guilty here. I have recently come across many > ludicrous time-turned Harry posts, and for want of a better heading, > I have put them under BALDERDASH. However, they shouldn't be folded > into the general Harry category: I think you need another sub-head - > something like 'Harry time-turner theories', to group all this > nonsense in one place. To my mind, the TT posts are rather different > in type to the character analysis (eg is he boring, answer yes), > which I imagine should be under the general head practiced ease>. Anne: First of all, lacking any loose bricks, I give you :P :P :P!!! Now, re a time-turner sub-head, well, there were many, many subheads I considered, which is why I'm in the state I'm in today. For instance, I considered one for the Dursleys, to gather all those together. I ran into trouble, though, as many of them strayed into Character Traits/Maturation, while others had more to do with Protection, esp. 3.5.4 Blood Prot. at P.D./Lily's Sacrifice. Lots of my specific categories showed that sort of tendency, which is why I ended up with fewer, larger ones. Those posts under BALDERDASH would seem to fit, and be coded to, the Versus LV/DEs category, while on the other hand, PoA time-turner ones might go under Training, Powers, Protections. But we could put BALDERDASH with TIME TURNER and add a Time-Turning category as well. I don't think it matters whether you stick posts into a related acronym where they don't really belong, or just code them to Harry Potter -- I have to read and move them anyway once we decide what our new categories are going to be (so no-one worry that they didn't do what Carolyn did; I'll catch them all anyway). Anne, last night: > None of Harry's acronyms really have legs; his only ongoing named > theory is Stoned!Harry. > > C - As I said, I think they should be shown as level 5 sub-heads for > the time being, but arranged under their thematic head, ready for the > chop when the job's done. I thought HIS SWORD had some legs - > Merlin/Arthur legend syndrome; I think I have coded quite a bit there > recently. Anne now: Must have been *very* recently, as it only had three posts late last night, my time. <_< Okay, finally-------- If I understand you, you actually do want to give Harry his own category with sub-heads and sub-sub-heads? In that case, I'll type it all out the way it might look so people can see it: 2.5 Gryffindor Students (Harry Only) 2.5.1 Harry Potter 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK 2.5.2 Character Traits/Maturation 2.5.2.1 ASTONISHED 2.5.2.2 CHIMPANZEE 2.5.2.3 PASHMINAS 2.5.3 Training, Protection, Powers 2.5.3.1 Harry's Eyes 2.5.3.2 Harry's Scar 2.5.3.3 Harry's Dreams 2.5.3.4 Stoned!Harry 2.5.3.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE 2.5.3.6 DRIBBLE 2.5.4 Parentage/Ancestry 2.5.4.1 HIS SWORD 2.5.5 Versus LV & DEs 2.5.5.1 BALDERDASH 2.5.5.2 HELP & LACERATE 2.5.5.3 TIME TURNER 2.5.5.4 Time-turner theories This is how it looks going only to level 4; really it would look much the same going to level 5, it just puts off the work of rearranging the other character codes until later. Which one you do depends on whether you think you'll need the most specific subheads in the end or not -- maybe *in the end* Harry won't actually need his own category apart from other Gryffindors. Incidentally, as it stands I do have posts sorted under the Harry Potter category, as a general category. There always seem to be things that don't quite fit anywhere else and would clog up the other categories. If you like, I can re-review and try to get rid of those, but it might entail coming up with another subcategory or two. I can look at it tonight if you like, or are you satisfied with it the way it is? Note that the first four acronyms are also sorted under that general heading. ~Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Jun 20 19:37:13 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:37:13 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > Now, re a time-turner sub-head, well, there were many, many subheads I considered, which is why I'm in the state I'm in today. For instance, I considered one for the Dursleys, to gather all those together. I ran into trouble, though, as many of them strayed into Character Traits/Maturation, while others had more to do with Protection, esp. 3.5.4 Blood Prot. at P.D./Lily's Sacrifice. Lots of my specific categories showed that sort of tendency, which is why I ended up with fewer, larger ones. Those posts under BALDERDASH would seem to fit, and be coded to, the Versus LV/DEs category, while on the other hand, PoA time-turner ones might go under Training, Powers, Protections. But we could put BALDERDASH with TIME TURNER and add a Time-Turning category as well. C- I think the only way forward is to start off with the list of sub- categories that you've come up with (below), and see what fits and what doesn't. Rather than force a post into a section that doesn't fit, you can keep a separate list as you go along, and then see what headings you require to put them in, once you've completed the main bulk of the posts. > > Anne now: > Must have been *very* recently, as it only had three posts late last > night, my time. <_< C - erm, maybe! It becomes a blur after a while... > > Okay, finally-------- > If I understand you, you actually do want to give Harry his own > category with sub-heads and sub-sub-heads? In that case, I'll type it > all out the way it might look so people can see it: > > 2.5 Gryffindor Students (Harry Only) > 2.5.1 Harry Potter > 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY > 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER > 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK > 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK > 2.5.2 Character Traits/Maturation > 2.5.2.1 ASTONISHED > 2.5.2.2 CHIMPANZEE > 2.5.2.3 PASHMINAS > 2.5.3 Training, Protection, Powers > 2.5.3.1 Harry's Eyes > 2.5.3.2 Harry's Scar > 2.5.3.3 Harry's Dreams > 2.5.3.4 Stoned!Harry > 2.5.3.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE > 2.5.3.6 DRIBBLE > 2.5.4 Parentage/Ancestry > 2.5.4.1 HIS SWORD > 2.5.5 Versus LV & DEs > 2.5.5.1 BALDERDASH > 2.5.5.2 HELP & LACERATE > 2.5.5.3 TIME TURNER > 2.5.5.4 Time-turner theories > > > This is how it looks going only to level 4; really it would look much the same going to level 5, it just puts off the work of rearranging the other character codes until later. Which one you do depends on whether you think you'll need the most specific subheads in the end or not -- maybe *in the end* Harry won't actually need his own category apart from other Gryffindors. C - Right, what I am going to do temporarily is put it in this order for you, with the new heads as you have shown them, but I am going to go the level 5 version for the time being, and convert it to its own section later, as that is a lot of work and we are all in a hurry right now. Shriek immediately if this is not what you want ! I'll go and do some more coding and come back to see... > > Incidentally, as it stands I do have posts sorted under the Harry > Potter category, as a general category. There always seem to be > things that don't quite fit anywhere else and would clog up the other > categories. If you like, I can re-review and try to get rid of those, > but it might entail coming up with another subcategory or two. I can > look at it tonight if you like, or are you satisfied with it the way > it is? Note that the first four acronyms are also sorted under that > general heading. > C - no, it is not a problem to add further sub-heads once you have decided what you want (see above). You just won't know until you start going through them for real. From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 20 20:42:53 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:42:53 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > C - Right, what I am going to do temporarily is put it in this order > for you, with the new heads as you have shown them, but I am going to > go the level 5 version for the time being, and convert it to its own > section later, as that is a lot of work and we are all in a hurry > right now. Anne: Okay, please do! ................................. Meanwhile, for those who are coding, here are the definitions I have in mind so far: Character Traits/Maturation: for Harry's faults, virtues, attitudes, how he relates to people, whether he studies enough, whether he's boring(!), how good a friend/nephew/godson he is, etc. etc. Snape vs Harry debates go here also (the *nonrepetitive* posts about *Harry*). Training, Powers, Protections: how powerful he is magically; how DD might be training him; use of magical devices incl. his wand, cloak, polyjuice, time-turner etc. (note: but not the *morality* or *wisdom* of such use, which belongs under Traits); accidental magic; protection via dragon's blood, the "put-outer" or anything else... Parents/Ancestry: include posts about both known and speculated forebears; heir of any & all founders; family he saw in the Mirror of Erised; etc. Versus LV/DEs: for posts about canon confrontations with LV or Riddle and with DEs acting for LV, as well as speculation on future confrontation and how The End might go. Some cross-coding with Harry's Scar and Harry's Dreams, etc. is inevitable -- use your judgement (if it's really all Harry, use Harry's Scar, etc.; if it's more about a confrontation, code here; code to both if you feel you really need to). Finally, if a post really doesn't fit any of these without forcing it, just code it under Harry Potter. With our new, stricter coding attitude, this should not get out of hand, and we can see if the need for a new category jumps out at us. In any category, I assume some posts will discuss canon events while others will venture into speculation. This way, as we get through the final books we can still use the categories, which will become more and more narrowed to canon as options are ruled out. Agreed to these definitions? ~Anne sharpening admittedly somewhat rusting machete From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jun 21 01:21:02 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:21:02 -0000 Subject: Proposed New Harry Categories In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Anne knocks nervously at Miss Havisham's door. "Er, Miss?" When naming the subcategories, I forgot to take into account how they will look in the list of categories each post is coded to. It's not clear that these are Harry categories. The subcategories ought to be renamed like this: Character Traits/Maturation ---> Harry's Character Traits/Maturation Training, Powers, Protections ---> Harry's Training/Powers/Protections Parentage/Ancestry ---> Harry's Parentage/Ancestry Versus LV/DEs ---> Harry vs LV/DEs Time turner theories ---> Time-turned!Harry theories "Sorry... wasn't thinking." ~Anne From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Tue Jun 21 14:11:44 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:11:44 +1000 Subject: random notes as I bumble along Message-ID: <20050621141143.GA28261@4dot0.net> Firstly, Anne, your Harry reorganization has had instant useful results for my coding. #59180 has a very interesting POV on the Weasleys as a lesson for Harry and 2.5.1.4 was an excellent choice for a code; although the desire to spank Molly and Arthur for their failings is getting very boring. I was much more entertained by a great TBAY thread earlier beginning with #58350 which I think aptly describes some of List behaviour at the moment. There are still very few decent posts at this stage, but for the sheer hell of it, enjoy the thread beginning #59140 ESE!The Fat Lady. Perhaps Hogwarts itself has an agenda... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From kking0731 at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 14:33:10 2005 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:33:10 -0000 Subject: How does the Order communicate? Message-ID: Check this one out! Sounds like this guy had it pegged before OOP even came out how the Order communicates. Post 59202 Merlin > I think J.K. Rowlings may have already given us a clue as to what the Order of the Phoenix is in The Goblet of Fire Chapter 28 page 560. When Harry and Krum went to have their word in private, so that Krum could ask Harry about his relationship with Hermione Mr. Crouch stumbles out of the forbiden forrest mumbling and saying he needed to tell Dumbledore. Unable to get Crouch to move Harry tells Krum to stay with Crouch while he goes and gets Dumbledore. When Harry and Dumbledore return Crouch is gone and Krum is unconscious. Harry asks "should I go get someone?" "No" said Dumbledore swiftly. "Stay here." He raised his wand into the air and pointed it in the direction of Hagrids cabin. Harry saw something silvery dart out of it and streak away through the trees like a ghostly bird. That signal Dumbledore sent up the ghostly bird could that be the call for help of the Order of the Phoenix? Because Hagrid dropped whatever he had been doing and came running with his crossbow. < KathySnow From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Jun 21 21:45:38 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:45:38 -0000 Subject: How does the Order communicate?/Rock solid OOP predictions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" wrote: > > Check this one out! Sounds like this guy had it pegged before OOP > even came out how the Order communicates. > C - Just to highlight, there is a very long thread going right up to OOP publication entitled 'Rock Solid OOP Predictions'. I am keeping most of it for posterity, since it is the week before publication and virtually every single one of them are wrong - including those from the most experienced posters on the board! Could you keep this thread, apart from silly bits, OT replies etc? From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 06:40:07 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:40:07 -0000 Subject: How does the Order communicate?/Rock solid OOP predictions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" > wrote: > > > > Check this one out! Sounds like this guy had it pegged before OOP > > even came out how the Order communicates. > > > > C - Just to highlight, there is a very long thread going right up to > OOP publication entitled 'Rock Solid OOP Predictions'. I am keeping > most of it for posterity, since it is the week before publication and > virtually every single one of them are wrong - including those from the > most experienced posters on the board! > > Could you keep this thread, apart from silly bits, OT replies etc? Anne: Didn't somebody gather up all the predictions into one post in the end? I think Cindy even imported it into the Hogs Head after OoP's release so we could see how we did. It *was* fun, definitely. BTW, I couldn't resist adding the FP code to one of my all-time favorites, Elkins' #40405 "Re:Perversion in the Graveyard." :D Am moving/decoding the Harry posts... this is going to take a while! ~Anne From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 07:08:15 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 07:08:15 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions again Message-ID: Does your thread look like post #61289? --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Maria Gromova" wrote: > > Citeren "M.Clifford" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Ron will snarl
> > > 2. Hermione will moan.
> > > 3. Harry will recognize something instantly.
> > > 4. Hagrid will serve the trio something inedible.
> > > 5. Snape's eyes will glitter.
> > > 6. Dumbledore's eyes will twinkle.
> > > 7. Draco will sneer.
> > > 8. Molly Weasly will call Harry "dear."
> > > 9. Ginny will blush.
> > > 10. Percy will bluster.
> > > 11. Snape will snap.
> > > 12. And when he isn't snapping, Snape will snarl.
> > > 13. Vernon Dursley will turn red and resemble a vegetable.
> > > 14. Dobby will give Harry another pair of lurid socks,and Hagrid will >
> > > become obsessed with another ferocious monster.
> > > 15. Harry will be injured in some way.
> > > 16. Snape will take away house points from Gryffindor
> > > 17. Neville will forget something.
> > > 18. Neville will fail to make the correct potion,in Potions.
> > > 19. Draco will taunt > Harry.  > > > .
> > > 20. Harry will fly on his broom and love it.
> > > 21. Hedwig will bring something to Harry.
> > > 22. Hermione will quote a book.
> > > 23. Harry will use his invisibility cloak.
> > > 24. Ron will whine.
> > > 25. Fawkes will fly and do something cool. (well the book is named > > >
> > > after his kind)
> > > 26. Sirius will still be damn sexy.
> > > 27. Hermione will solve a mystery by going to the library.
> > > 28. Hermione will say "Honestly, Haven't you two
> > > *ever*read 'Hogwarts, A History'?", and then impart some vital > piece > > >
> > > of information which the narrative hadn't pointed out
> > > to us before.
> > > 29. It will not be clear why the villains had to wait till the end of >
> > > term to implement their dastardly plan.
> > > 30. Harry will see something new and magical and will have to look
> > > twice to believe it.
> > > 31. Hagrid will do or say something he shouldn't - instantly
> > > forgiven by the Trio.
> > > 32. On June 22nd, HP4GU will get its first "How can we ever survive > > >
> > > until book 6" post.
> > > 33. Filch will give out detentions.
> > > 34. The Twins will play a trick on someone.
> > > 35. Hermione and Ron will disagree on something.
> > > 36. Hermione will keep a secret.
> > > 37. Harry will keep a secret.
> > > 38. Ron will be predict the future as he jokes.
> > > 39. Sybill Trelawney will predict Harry's death AGAIN.
> > > 40. Ron and Harry will fake their Divination homework.
> > > 41. Dean's West Ham poster is going to be mentioned.
> > > 42. Sirius is going to call Snape a slimy greasy-haired git.
> > > 43. Ron and Harry will serve detention.
> > > 44. McGonagall will look sternly at Harry over the rim of her > glasses.
> > > 45. Colin is going to squeak: "Hiya, Harry!!" in an excited > > > voice.
> > > 46. Hermione will say: "You CAN'T Apparate on Hogwarts > > > grounds!"
> > >
> > > 46a From Valky, Ron and Harry will try to solve a mystery with
> > > speculation of someone apparating into Hogwarts.
> > >
> > > 47. Ron will talk with his mouth full
> > > 48. Harry will stay at Hogwarts for Christmas
> > > 49. Ron will annihilate Hermione at wizard's chess
> > > 50. Ron will get a new hand-knitted jumper from his mother colour: > > >
> > > Maroon 
> > > 51. Everone will go to The Three Broomsticks for butterbeer
> > > 52. McGonagall will be disgusted at someone's behaviour.
> > > 53. Snape will persurcute Neville.
> > > 54. Parvati will still adore Professor Trelawney.
> > > 55. Professor Trelawney will continue to be vague.
> > > 56. Binns will send someone to sleep.
> > > 57. Even the dumbest students (read Crabbe and Goyle) will somehow
> > > manage to pass their exams.
> > >
> > > 57a. And some seventh Grader from Gof will reappear on OOtP because
> > > he/she didn't pass.
> > >
> > > 58. Dumbledore's answers will raise more questions.
> > > 59. In addition to point 45, no matter how many questions are
> > > answered in book 5, there will be at least as many new questions that >
> > > wont be answered till book 6.
> > > 60. We will have read at least one character all wrong (in the
> > > Scabbers/Sirius/Quirrell vein)
> > >
> > > 60a.{from Valky !!!}We, all, and the Trio will be guilty of fingering >
> > > the wrong suspect (in the Snape, Krum, Draco vein)
> > >
> > > 61. Krum will be grumpy
> > > 62. Fleur will still make the male students swoon
> > > 63. Harry will leave Privett Drive in some kind of debacle
> > > 64. Ron will tease Hermione about liking school too much and/or
> > > liking Lockhart in the past (from CoS) and/or her S.P.E.W. phase
> > > (from GoF).
> > > 65. Hagrid will break a dish while talking to the trio in his hut.
> > > 66. Harry will dream about Voldemort - which will reflect what
> > > Voldemort was really doing at that moment (unbeknownst to Harry).
> > > 67. Harry will be on the verge of telling Dumbledore possibly vital
> > > information, but withhold it for his usual reasons (i.e. not being > > >
> > > believed, distaste of being fussed over,
> > > uncertainty of what he saw/heard)
> > > 68. Ron and Hermione will stay at Hogwarts for the Christmas > holidays.
> > > 69. Neville will once again attempt to surpass his personal best
> > > cauldron-melting record.
> > > 70. We will all read OoP WAY to fast, discuss in endlessly, reread it >
> > > 20 times, and be waiting anxiously for book 6 to arrive!!!
> > > LOL
> > > 71. Something will be described as "moldy".
> > > 72. The passwords will be um... unusual. (And Neville will forget
> > > them.)
> > > 73. Harry's scar will hurt.
> > > 74. There will be a reference to bodily functions (ie.
> > > belch,bogeys, earwax, vomit)
> > > 75. The Hogwarts diet will be high in coloseterol, er, cholesterol,
> > > oh, heck, FAT!
> > > 76. McGonagall will say "Really Jordan. If you can't commentate in > a > > >
> > > non-biased way..."
> > >
> > > 76a {Valky } Quidditch is back and since Lee May have graduated we
> > > will miss his entertaining commentary.( or perhaps hes the returning >
> > > student who didn't pass.. see 57a)
> > >
> > > 77. Someone from Slytherin will cheat at Quidditch.
> > > 78. The whole of Harry's year, plus all other
> > > featured students, will pick up their books from Diagon Alley on the >
> > > same day.
> > > 79. Harry will say "Er..." about a million times
> > > 80. Someone will be interrupted before divulging a very important
> > > storyline clue
> > > 81. There will be yet another vague reference about Peeves and the
> > > Bloody Baron
> > > 82. Mrs. Norris's eyes will glow, lamplike.
> > > 83. Filch will threaten to go to Dumbledore.
> > > 84. Crabbe and Goyle will laugh stupidly.
> > > 85. Pansy will run with her gang of Slytherin girls.
> > > 86. Parvati and Lavender will ooh and aah.
> > > 87. Fred and George will scheme.
> > > 88. Dudley will eat.
> > > 89. McGonagall will never be so ashamed by Gryffindor students.
> > > 90. Cho will be decent.
> > > 91. Alicia, Katie, and Angelina will score.
> > > 92. The giant squid will float lazily.
> > > 93. Flitwick will squeak.
> > > 94. Voldemort will say "You lie".
> > > 95. Wormtail will tremble.
> > > ...assuming I can get it in the door fast enough...
> > > 96. Molly will explode at Gred and Forge, rightly, for some > prank > > >
> > > they've done.
> > > 97. The Trio, or at least Harry, will end up in the > > > "Forbidden"
> > > Forest yet again.
> > > 98. Something will smell like cabbage.
> > > 99. Professor Binns will drone.
> > > 100. There will be the usual twelve Christmas trees.
> > > 101. One of Harry's Christmas presents will be a surprise from a >
> > > mysterious stranger (well, there's only a fifty-fifty chance on this >
> > > one)
> > > 102. Dobby's socks will not match!
> > > 103. Someone will flinch at the sound of Voldemort's name and/or
> > > insist the speaker call him "You Know Who" or "He > Who > > > Must Not Be
> > > Named"
> > > 104. The state of Snape's personal hygiene will be mentioned
> > > 105. McGonagall's lips will go tight
> > > 106. HRH will break rules
> > > 107. In the same vein as 106...they will wander off and end up
> > > getting involved in a near death situation, but won't be in trouble. >
> > > Instead, they will be rewarded (most likely with house points)
> > > 108. Fudge's bowler hat will be green
> > > 109: Also in the same vein as 106 and 107...the trio will solve a
> > > mystery that none of the older, more experienced characters could > > >
> > > solve...only to get most of it completely wrong in the end.
> > > 110. Crabbe and Goyle will stand behind Draco with their arms folded, >
> > > looking like menacing body guards.
> > > 111. Harry will get hurt some how during quidditch.
> > > 112. Someone we thought was good well end up being bad.
> > > 113. There will be a new DADA teacher.
> > > 114. Snape will say something in reference to Harry being famous.
> > > 115. Hogwarts will have a sorting ceremony.
> > > 116. Harry and all the Weasly's will be at platform 9 3/4 together.
> > > 117. Uncle Vernon will send Harry to his room.
> > > 118. Dudley will steal food from somebody
> > > 119. Ron will cast a spell and it will go wrong.
> > > 120. Peeves will be annoying.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi I am back from my exams and would like to add a couple to this
> > > list now I have a little time on my hands. The additions I have made >
> > > relate too strongly to others in the list to put them here so I have >
> > > added a reference to their position instead. I hope nobody minds.
> > >
> > > from Valky
> > >
> > > 121 (see 46a)
> > > 122 (see 57a)
> > > 123 (see 60a)
> > > 124 (see 76a)
> > > > 125 HRH will by candy in the Hogwarts Express > > 126 The Candy will be sold by a witch with her trolley > > 127 The first year students will be crossing the lake > > 128 Dumbledore will say a few words before dinner will be served > > 129 There will be somebody missing at the start of the welcoming ceremony > > 130 The Camebridge Cannons will be mentioned as Ron's favorite team > > 131 The sorting hat will have a new song > > 132 Harry's glasses will be broken at least once > > 133 Hermione will put her hand up every time a teacher asks a question in > class > 134 Neville wiil lose his toad. > Maria. 135. Someone (Hermione, Ron, Dumbledore or McGongall) will beam at Harry. 136. Fred or George will call someone a "stupid git." 137. Ron will call someone a "pratt." 138. Hermione will ask the boys when they're going to read 'Hogwarts a History.' 139. Hedwig will swoop down, deliver a letter, peck at Harry's breakfast (135-139 submitted by sagelyone/Kimberly) Predictions 11 & 12 are mine. :D ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* Also, this longer and cleaner, but earlier version, #61139: --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "honeycakehorse03" wrote: > Okay, I know I'm anal-retentive but I couldn't resist putting some > points people mentioned in here and give it a proper numeration. > *g* I had to change some number because they were > doubled/tripled and I put them here the way they turned up in my > digest... Hope I didn't forget anybody. > > What me? Nothing to do? What gave you the idea? > > 1. Ron will snarl > 2. Hermione will moan. > 3. Harry will recognize something instantly. > 4. Hagrid will serve the trio something inedible. > 5. Snape's eyes will glitter. > 6. Dumbledore's eyes will twinkle. > 7. Draco will sneer. > 8. Molly Weasly will call Harry "dear." > 9. Ginny will blush. > 10. Percy will bluster. > 11. Snape will snap. > 12. And when he isn't snapping, Snape will snarl. > 13. Vernon Dursley will turn red and resemble a vegetable. > 14. Dobby will give Harry another pair of lurid socks, and Hagrid > will become obsessed with another ferocious monster. > 15. Harry will be injured in some way. > 16. Snape will take away house points from Gryffindor > 17. Neville will forget something. > 18. Neville will fail to make the correct potion, in Potions. > 19. Draco will taunt Harry. > 20. Harry will fly on his broom and love it. > 21. Hedwig will bring something to Harry. > 22. Hermione will quote a book. > 23. Harry will use his invisibility cloak. > 24. Ron will whine. > 25. Fawkes will fly and do something cool. (well the book is named > after his kind) > 26. Sirius will still be damn sexy. > 27. Hermione will solve a mystery by going to the library. > 28. Hermione will say "Honestly, Haven't you two *ever* read > 'Hogwarts, A History'?", and then impart some vital piece of > information which the narrative hadn't pointed out to us before. > 29. It will not be clear why the villains had to wait till the end > of term to implement their dastardly plan. > 30. Harry will see something new and magical and will have to > look twice to believe it. > 31. Hagrid will do or say something he shouldn't - and will be > instantly forgiven by the Trio. > 32. On June 22nd, HP4GU will get its first "How can we ever > survive until book 6" post. > 33. Filch will give out detentions. > 34. The Twins will play a trick on someone. > 35. Hermione and Ron will disagree on something. > 36. Hermione will keep a secret. > 37. Harry will keep a secret. > 38. Ron will be predict the future as he jokes. > 39. Sybill Trelawney will predict Harry's death AGAIN. > 40. Ron and Harry will fake their Divination homework. > 41. Dean's West Ham poster is going to be mentioned. > 42. Sirius is going to call Snape a slimy greasy-haired git. > 43. Ron and Harry will serve detention. > 44. McGonagall will look sternly at Harry over the rim of her > glasses. > 45. Colin is going to squeak: "Hiya, Harry!!" in an excited voice. > 46. Hermione will say: "You CAN'T Apparate on Hogwarts grounds!" > 47. Ron will talk with his mouth full > 48. Harry will stay at Hogwarts for Christmas > 49. Ron will annihilate Hermione at wizard's chess > 50. Ron will get a new hand-knitted jumper from his mother, color: > maroon > 51. Everone will go to The Three Broomsticks for butterbeer > 52. McGonagall will be disgusted at someone's behaviour. > 53. Snape will persurcute Neville. > 54. Parvati will still adore Professor Trelawney. > 55. Professor Trelawney will continue to be vague. > 56. Binns will send someone to sleep. > 57. Even the dumbest students (read Crabbe and Goyle) will > somehow manage to pass their exams. > 58. Dumbledore's answers will raise more questions. > 59. In addition to point 58, no matter how many questions are > answered in book 5, there will be at least as many new questions > that wont be answered till book 6. > 60. We will have read at least one character all wrong (in the > Scabbers/Sirius/Quirrell vein) > 61. Krum will be grumpy > 62. Fleur will still make the male students swoon > 63. Harry will leave Privett Drive in some kind of debacle > 64. Ron will tease Hermione about liking school too much and/or > liking Lockhart in the past (from CoS) and/or her S.P.E.W. phase > (from GoF). > 65. Hagrid will break a dish while talking to the trio in his hut. > 66. Harry will dream about Voldemort - which will reflect what > Voldemort was really doing at that moment (unbeknownst to > Harry). > 67. Harry will be on the verge of telling Dumbledore possibly vital > information, but withhold it for his usual reasons (i.e. not being > believed, distaste of being fussed over, uncertainty of what he > saw/heard) > 68. Ron and Hermione will stay at Hogwarts for the Christmas > holidays. > 69. Neville will once again attempt to surpass his personal best > cauldron-melting record. > 70. We will all read OoP WAY to fast, discuss in endlessly, reread > it 20 times,and be waiting anxiously for book 6 to arrive!!! LOL > 71. Something will be described as "moldy". > 72. The passwords will be um... unusual. (And Neville will forget > them.) > 73. Harry's scar will hurt. > 74. There will be a reference to bodily functions (ie. belch, > bogeys, earwax, vomit) > 75. The Hogwarts diet will be high in coloseterol, er, cholesterol, > oh, heck, FAT! > 76. McGonagall will say "Really Jordan. If you can't commentate in > a non-biased way " > 77. Someone from Slytherin will cheat at Quidditch. > 78. The whole of Harry's year, plus all other featured students, > will pick up their books from Diagon Alley on the same day. > 79. Harry will say "Er..." about a million times > 80. Someone will be interrupted before divulging a very important > storyline clue > 81. There will be yet another vague reference about Peeves and > the Bloody Baron > 82. Mrs. Norris's eyes will glow, lamplike. > 83. Filch will threaten to go to Dumbledore. > 84. Crabbe and Goyle will laugh stupidly. > 85. Pansy will run with her gang of Slytherin girls. > 86. Parvati and Lavender will ooh and aah. > 87. Fred and George will scheme. > 88. Dudley will eat. > 89. McGonagall will never be so ashamed by Gryffindor students. > 90. Cho will be decent. > 91. Alicia, Katie, and Angelina will score. > 92. The giant squid will float lazily. > 93. Flitwick will squeak. > 94. Voldemort will say "You lie". > 95. Wormtail will tremble. > 96. Molly will explode at Gred and Forge, rightly, for some prank > they've done. > 97. The Trio, or at least Harry, will end up in the "Forbidden" > Forest yet again. > 98. Harry will begin to say Vol- er, sorry, I mean You-Know Who's > name, then apologize for doing so. > 99. Draco will be obnoxious on the Hogwarts Express, with Crabbe > and Goyle sniggering in the background. > 100. Something will smell like cabbage. > 101. Professor Binns will drone. > 102. There will be the usual twelve Christmas trees. > 103. One of Harry's Christmas presents will be a surprise from a > mysterious stranger. (well, there's only a fifty-fifty chance on > this > one) > 104. Lucius Malfoy will sneer. > 105. Sir Cadogan will challenge someone to a duel! > 106. Dobby's socks will not match! > 107. Peeves will throw something at someone > 108. Peeves will make life misarable for Filtch > 109. Snape's eyes will glitter. > 110. Hermione's hair will be bushy. > 111. Mr. Weasly will ask Harry about a muggle appliance, i.e. > washing machine, television, plug, etc. > 112. Dean Thomas will make a display of his artistic prowess. > 113. Magic will be used at Privet Drive (not necessarily by Harry). > 114. Harry will make a sarcastic comment at Malfoy which will be > lost on the snobbish brat (O.T.: my favourite line from the third > Artemis Fowl book: "the sarcasm made a whistling noise as it flew > over Loafer's head"). > 115. Harry will make a selfless heroic act in circumstances which > will be construed by some as anything but selfless or heroic. > 116. Someone Harry has never met before will cause him > embrassment by making a fuss about his scar/his status as the Boy > Who lived. > 117. Ron will say "cool" or "bloody brilliant" at some stage. > 118. The weather conditions of the journey to Hogwarts will be > mentioned (my bet's on a thunderstorm). > 119. The passowrd to Dumbledore's office will be some > confectionery. > 120. Someone will flinch at the sound of Voldemort's name and/or > insist the speaker call him "You Know Who" or "He Who Must Not > Be Named" > 121. The state of Snape's personal hygene will be mentioned > 122. McGonagall's lips will go tight > 123. HRH will break rules > 124. In the same vein as 123...they will wander off and end up > getting involved in a near death situation, but won't be in trouble. > Instead, they will be rewarded (most likely with house points) > 125. Fudge will wear a green bowler > 126: Also in the same vein as 123 and 124...the trio will solve a > mystery that none of the older, more experienced characters could > solve...only to get most of it completely wrong in the end. > 127. Crabbe and Goyle will stand behind Draco with their arms > folded, looking like menacing body guards. > 128. Harry will get hurt some how during quidditch. > 129. Someone we thought was good well end up being bad. > 130. There will be a new DADA teacher. > 131. Snape will say something in reference to Harry being famous. > 132. Hogwarts will have a sorting ceremony. > 133. Harry and all the Weasly's will be at platform 9 3/4 together. > 134. Uncle Vernon will send Harry to his room. > 135. Dudley will steal food from somebody. > 136. Ron will cast a spell and it will go wrong. > 137. Peeves will be annoying. > 138. Hagrid will say (at least once) "Dumbledore, Great man > Dumbledore" > 139. From Valky, Ron and Harry will try to solve a mystery with > speculation of someone apparating into Hogwarts. > 140. And some seventh Grader from Gof will reappear on OOtP > because he/she didn't pass. > 141. We, all, and the Trio will be guilty of fingering the wrong > suspect (in the Snape, Krum, Draco vein) > 142. Quidditch is back and since Lee May have graduated we > will miss his entertaining commentary.( or perhaps hes the > returning student who didn't pass.. > 143. Harry, Hermione and Ron will be 15. > 144. HRH will by candy in the Hogwarts Express > 145. The Candy will be sold by a witch with her trolley > 146. The first year students will be crossing the lake > 147. Dumbledore will say a few words before dinner will be served > 148. There will be somebody missing at the start of the welcoming > ceremony > 149. The Camebridge Cannons (my note: I think you mean Chudley > Canons) will be mentioned as Ron's favorite team > 150. The sorting hat will have a new song > 151. Harry's glasses will be broken at least once > 152. Hermione will put her hand up every time a teacher asks a > question in class > > And my owns following: > 153. Crookshanks will be walking with his tail up in the air. > 154. Ron will be embarrassed about his money situation. > 155. Hermione will say: "Honestly!" > > Sabrina Geesh, this list is getting long. I didn't realize JKR was so predictable :) 156. Bill Weasley will still be cool. 157. Dumbledore will offer someone muggle sweets. 158. The Fat Lady will ask for the password. Jill Okay, it's almost 3:00 a.m.; I'm going to bed; I can't be bothered to compare the two just now... ~Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 22 08:38:01 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:38:01 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > Does your thread look like post #61289? > > Okay, it's almost 3:00 a.m.; I'm going to bed; I can't be bothered to > compare the two just now... > > ~Anne Carolyn: It is the end of the same thread, but the posts I am keeping don't look like this, as this strips them of their authors and reasoning. Although this is a useful summary, it doesn't give the same amusement, IMO, as watching Pippin, Cindy etc etc get it completely wrong.. I'd still like to keep gems from the thread for that reason. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 22 09:37:54 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:37:54 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Rock Solid Predictions again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050622093754.GB8433@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 08:38:01AM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > > Carolyn: > It is the end of the same thread, but the posts I am keeping don't look > like this, as this strips them of their authors and reasoning. Although > this is a useful summary, it doesn't give the same amusement, IMO, as > watching Pippin, Cindy etc etc get it completely wrong.. > > I'd still like to keep gems from the thread for that reason. I haven't come across them yet, but I did get a laugh from two posts that were sadly OT: #59412 and #59324. And a special mention to #59380 (great sgt peppers filk announcement) and #59482 (another Lehrer filk). We're in the 60,000's !! Eeek! -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 13:41:43 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:41:43 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions again In-Reply-To: <20050622093754.GB8433@4dot0.net> Message-ID: > I did get a laugh from two posts that were > sadly OT: #59412 and #59324. Well, that's what the code "Just for a laugh" is for -- which reminds me, I never knew whether we were going to include those in the catalogue or just for our own amusement? ~Anne From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Wed Jun 22 14:03:39 2005 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:03:39 -0500 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions and a DD Question Message-ID: >I haven't come across them yet, but I did get a laugh from two posts that were sadly OT: #59412 and #59324. Ack! Must...keep...hilarious...predictions. Don't reject such gems! Please code these to OoP Predictions (no canon) and also to Just For A Laugh. Please? Please! Please!!! In all seriousness, the no canon predictions are full of laughable stuff, though most are not as laughable as these. (loved the idea about Voldemort eating Percy-n-rye) Now for Dumbledore: I've managed a few hundred of these and have a question. Lots of his posts discuss why he wants socks, how old he is, and what his animagus is--so is cross-referencing the Mirror of Erised chapter, character ages and animagi sufficient, or shall we create a few new subcodes for him? I vote the former, assuming our search engine will be capable of looking for posts that belong to more than one category. --boyd, whose current reviewing style might be most accurately termed "Slash and Burn," but don't worry there'll still be hundreds of high quality DD posts left :) From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 22 14:30:13 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:30:13 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Rock Solid Predictions and a DD Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050622143013.GB13521@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:03:39AM -0500, Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA} wrote: > >I haven't come across them yet, but I did get a laugh from two posts that > were sadly OT: #59412 and #59324. > > Ack! Must...keep...hilarious...predictions. Don't reject such gems! Please > code these to OoP Predictions (no canon) and also to Just For A Laugh. > Please? Please! Please!!! > > In all seriousness, the no canon predictions are full of laughable stuff, > though most are not as laughable as these. (loved the idea about Voldemort > eating Percy-n-rye) Ack! I must correct my post it was #59412 and #59424! And I have resurrected them both to 1.12.2.2, they were already coded to 5.1.3. I wish there were more of these, I'm sick to death of Weasley economics and Hermione in Bulgaria... I actually posted to the List...yay me. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 22 15:21:14 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:21:14 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions/DD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}" wrote: > Ack! Must...keep...hilarious...predictions. Don't reject such gems! Please > code these to OoP Predictions (no canon) and also to Just For A Laugh. > Please? Please! Please!!! > Carolyn: Yes, I'm enjoying them for once. One of the best was Lupin in werewolf form eating the younger Creevy brother one night, leading the older remaining brother to plot deadly revenge with Draco Malfoy. Sort of big bad wolf imagery that kids really like, I thought. And then there is the ever-enthusiastic Kneasy: 'Traditional end of book feast - "I'll have the pheonix, well done, with puffskein garnish and knotweed sauce." But how do you cook a pheonix? BBQ is out. Oven roast? Well, constantly regenerating burnt feathers is bit off- putting. Microwave? Do they exist in the Wizarding World? Maybe.... Sushi, anyone? Kneasy > > Now for Dumbledore: > > I've managed a few hundred of these and have a question. Lots of his posts > discuss why he wants socks, how old he is, and what his animagus is- -so is > cross-referencing the Mirror of Erised chapter, character ages and animagi > sufficient, or shall we create a few new subcodes for him? I vote the > former, assuming our search engine will be capable of looking for posts that > belong to more than one category. C - No, I would much rather you suggested a group of sub-codes as Anne has done for Harry. If the post really belongs in one of the other sections, then move it there, and un-code Dumbledore by all means (and any other irrelevant codes, to save time). However, some useful sub-groups about DD would be really helpful. > > --boyd, whose current reviewing style might be most accurately termed "Slash > and Burn," but don't worry there'll still be hundreds of high quality DD > posts left :) C - I've got my eye on the crown jewels...ahem.. From elfundeb at comcast.net Wed Jun 22 17:43:05 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:43:05 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" > wrote: > > Does your thread look like post #61289? > Carolyn: > It is the end of the same thread, but the posts I am keeping don't look > like this, as this strips them of their authors and reasoning. Although > this is a useful summary, it doesn't give the same amusement, IMO, as > watching Pippin, Cindy etc etc get it completely wrong.. > > I'd still like to keep gems from the thread for that reason. Me, too, though nothing I've read comes close to "Percy on rye." Yes, keep these! Anne: <> They're all in a file in the Files section of the main list. I don't remember if they're in a post. BTW, IIRC, the list (or lists, rather, as there's more than one variant) that Anne quoted was a unique subset of the Rock-Solid Predictions in which one poster *predicted* that JKR would continue using the same language to describe particular characters' actions (e.g., "Snape will snap"). I always thought it was a humorous commentary on JKR's narrative style, but there are over 100 posts where people kept adding additional examples. I'd vote to keep only the first one (to give proper credit to the original poster) and the complete list, both coded to predictions and narrative style. Debbie who has discovered just how easy it is to have a 95% reject rate when the posters are all insisting that Cho Chang is a Japanese name From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 22 17:44:42 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:44:42 -0000 Subject: Yet another birthday.. In-Reply-To: <20050617111202.57433.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Ginger wrote: > > Ginger, 39 today > > > > But two years ago, you said this: Number: 60715 From: quigonginger Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 01:56:48 PM UTC Subject: My one Hope for OoP I'm actually sticking my neck out to make a shipping hope. I want to see Neville with Hannah. Or any Hufflepuff girl, but Hannah is the best known and seems to have a genuine personality. I want to see Neville with a Hufflepuff because they have Herbology together. They see Neville being brilliant in his element; not poor, clumsy, can't-find-his-toad-again, memory-impaired Neville that the Gryffindors see. He would be treated with respect, not pity or embarrassment (think Ginny telling Ron and Harry she was going to the Yule Ball with him). 87 hours, 11 minutes and counting! Ginger, who is singing "Happy Birthday to Me" today. From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 19:18:41 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:18:41 -0000 Subject: Rock Solid Predictions/DD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Boyd: > > > > Now for Dumbledore: > > > > I've managed a few hundred of these and have a question. Lots of > his posts > > discuss why he wants socks, how old he is, and what his animagus is- > -so is > > cross-referencing the Mirror of Erised chapter, character ages and > animagi > > sufficient, or shall we create a few new subcodes for him? I vote > the > > former, assuming our search engine will be capable of looking for > posts that > > belong to more than one category. > > C - No, I would much rather you suggested a group of sub-codes as > Anne has done for Harry. If the post really belongs in one of the > other sections, then move it there, and un-code Dumbledore by all > means (and any other irrelevant codes, to save time). > > However, some useful sub-groups about DD would be really helpful. Anne: To elaborate a little on Carolyn's answer: to go the cross-referencing route is to go into madness. There are plenty of smaller categories with posts that mention Dumbledore, or Snape, or Harry. However, what they have to say about those three (or LV; mustn't forget him) is more than likely very much Adds Nothing New as far as the Big Four are concerned. Cross-coding to them is how the bloated categories got that way in the first place. It doesn't help keep any of the other categories tidy, either. ~Anne, brandishing machete and trying to look manacing From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 22 19:44:19 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:44:19 -0000 Subject: Amazing..new info on DD, I think... Message-ID: Who would have thought it, this late on. Just seen this [#60968]. Sharp- eyed connection that I hadn't seen before, narrowing down DD's age: Several weeks back, TLC posted a link to the new Famous Witches and Wizards cards that JKR provided the information for. Like a good little Harry Potter fiend, I went and had a looksee. Lo, what did I behold? A card for Bertie Bott, inventor of the Every Flavor Bean with a birthdate in 1934! If you will recall, Dumbledore tells Harry in the hospital wing at the end of PS/SS that he lost his taste for the EFB's after coming across a vomit flavored bean in his youth. In his YOUTH! Now, we know DD is old, but round about a hundred is most certainly not his 'youth' by any stretch of the imagination. There is just no way. The card is either a Flint or... DD lived his youth in the twentieth century. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 22 20:21:43 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:21:43 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Amazing..new info on DD, I think... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050622202143.GC13521@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 07:44:19PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > Who would have thought it, this late on. Just seen this [#60968]. Sharp- > eyed connection that I hadn't seen before, narrowing down DD's age: Let's not forget that JKR is math-challenged. I would tend to think this proves it... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From zanelupin at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 20:36:38 2005 From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:36:38 -0000 Subject: Amazing..new info on DD, I think... In-Reply-To: <20050622202143.GC13521@4dot0.net> Message-ID: Carolyn: > > Who would have thought it, this late on. Just seen this [#60968]. Sharp- eyed connection that I hadn't seen before, narrowing down DD's age: Sean: > Let's not forget that JKR is math-challenged. I would tend to think this > proves it... KathyK: I think some of the 'Ron is Dumbledore' crowd were using this as further evidence of their theory. Dumbledore *could* have had Bertie Bott's beans in his youth if his youth were spent as Ron Weasley. I though it was a fairly clever bit of twisting and excusing of the maths thing... KathyK From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Wed Jun 22 20:56:21 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:56:21 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Amazing..new info on DD, I think... In-Reply-To: References: <20050622202143.GC13521@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050622205621.GD13521@4dot0.net> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 08:36:38PM -0000, KathyK wrote: > I think some of the 'Ron is Dumbledore' crowd were using this as > further evidence of their theory. Dumbledore *could* have had > Bertie Bott's beans in his youth if his youth were spent as Ron > Weasley. I though it was a fairly clever bit of twisting and > excusing of the maths thing... I like that theory :) It would be ironic indeed if Bertie Bott gave REDHEAD ALWAYS another life! -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 21:00:54 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:00:54 -0000 Subject: Amazing..new info on DD, I think... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" wrote: > Carolyn: > > > > Who would have thought it, this late on. Just seen this > [#60968]. Sharp- eyed connection that I hadn't seen before, > narrowing down DD's age: > > > Sean: > > > Let's not forget that JKR is math-challenged. I would tend to > think this > > proves it... > > > KathyK: > > I think some of the 'Ron is Dumbledore' crowd were using this as > further evidence of their theory. Dumbledore *could* have had > Bertie Bott's beans in his youth if his youth were spent as Ron > Weasley. I though it was a fairly clever bit of twisting and > excusing of the maths thing... > > KathyK Anne: What no one realises is that details concerning the hostile takeover of Madam Haricot's Every Flavour Bean Company ("They May Not Taste Good, But They Have Good Taste," titillating palates since 1735) by Bertie Botts Sweets & Confectioners Ltd. lie crumpled and tea-stained in the bottom of a cardboard box. Once this question comes to Jo's attention, I'm sure she'll make it a scrapbook item on her site. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 21:58:42 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Yet another birthday.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050622215842.63884.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> carolynwhite2 wrote: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Ginger wrote: > > Ginger, 39 today > > > > But two years ago, you said this: Number: 60715 From: quigonginger Date: Tue Jun 17, 2003 01:56:48 PM UTC Subject: My one Hope for OoP I'm actually sticking my neck out to make a shipping hope. I want to see Neville with Hannah. Or any Hufflepuff girl, but Hannah is the best known and seems to have a genuine personality. I want to see Neville with a Hufflepuff because they have Herbology together. They see Neville being brilliant in his element; not poor, clumsy, can't-find-his-toad-again, memory-impaired Neville that the Gryffindors see. He would be treated with respect, not pity or embarrassment (think Ginny telling Ron and Harry she was going to the Yule Ball with him). 87 hours, 11 minutes and counting! Ginger now: That was a count to the release of OoP. Ginger, (then)who is singing "Happy Birthday to Me" today. Ginger now: I have decided that I like birthdays enough that I will have them annualy. Just don't call me on it if I stay 39 for several more years. Ginger, who would like to inform everyone that the Lupin progress report is coming, and that Lupin means wolf. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 22 22:30:23 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:30:23 -0000 Subject: Lupin progress report (btw: Lupin means wolf) Message-ID: Lupin report: was 895. Now 895. But I have notes. 22 pages, to be exact. Ok, it's a small notebook, but I wrote small. I'm not going to use exact numbers at this time as I have a lot of overlap, and it would total about 2000, but here is where things stand: I will be rejecting or uncoding roughly 300 posts outright. Most of the rejects are people asking what the J stands for, or breathlessly noting that Lupin means wolf. Most of the uncoding is mention in passing or a multipost that requires the reader to go through paragraphs of DD and socks, House elves, shipping and whether or not Petunia is a aquib just to read that not only does Lupin mean wolf, but that it is also a flower. Or just that it means wolf. I have divided the remaining 500 or so into several categories for my own winnowing ease. There is a lot of overlap, and a lot of repetition. There are also a lot of posts that would be better suited in other places, and I will put them there. I expect to have roughly 300 posts when done. I have many posts that I am planning to move to MMWP, some of which will lose the Lupin code at that time. Ditto Lycanthropy and werewolves. If they don't really talk about Lupin, they are out of this category. I also have a lot of repitition within the categories. I am going through them individually so I can decide which of the 50 or so as-of- yet-unrejected posts best says that Lupin means wolf, or whatever the category. I am expecting to have final numbers and put in my final report on Saturday. One thing that is still causing a headache is the Good/ESE area. If ESE is in the subject line, there is usually no problem, but I have noticed that many threads start out ESE, and then someone rebuts, but either oversnips or is replying to a rebuttal, and different people have coded each post, that some end up under ESE, some under Good, and some under just Lupin. No thread consistancy at all, and it is not the fault of the coder. There are also 50 or so posts about his personality in general which could very well go to ESE or Good, but aren't there. Any thoughts on this? I will deal with this section last, so if anyone has any ideas or thoughts, let me know. Preferably by Saturday as I am going to visit Aunt Marge after I get done. (She is coming from Ohio to visit my parents, so I am going there and will be gone a couple of days.) Speaking of Aunt Marge (mine, not Harry's) she could explain why DD had a BBB in his youth. She is 80 years old, and took up snorkeling at age 79 on a whim. She refers to her 40's and 50's as "when I was young" if she is sharing a memory. Basicly, any time before she had grandkids (about age 60). For DD, at age 150, his "youth" could have been 50 years ago, at age 100, before his hair turned white. It's all how you look at it. My 9 year old Godson was telling me what he was like when he was a kid (age 3) last week. Perspective, that's what it is. Drat, must run off to work. Muggy, hot, and infested with slough skeeters. Bleh. Ginger, the babbler From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Thu Jun 23 09:21:32 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:21:32 +1000 Subject: miss, miss Message-ID: <20050623092132.GE13521@4dot0.net> (in squeaky little toddler voice): FIN-ISHED!!!! (proudly displays sticky picture of finished code batch, looks up expectantly for praise and fish) yay. now i can sleep. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 12:45:05 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:45:05 -0000 Subject: Quick Remus stat and a thought Message-ID: Quick Remus stat: The posts that I am getting out of the category on this round of reading: (I'll actually be doing it after work tonight, so it is not currently reflected in the list.) Reject: 89 Uncode: 239 So, was 895. Now 567. Those were the exact #'s I didn't have yesterday. I will now start Round 3 and go through all the posts as I have sorted them to eliminate repetition. Now for my thought. I am coding the posts I signed up for (need a break from Lupinwhichmeanswolf) and I had a thought. Wouldn't we have saved ourselves a lot of time in the last 1000 or so posts had we not just rejected them all and posted a notice on HPfGU saying "Hey, old- timers, If you actually said anything that was worth repeating in the month before OoP came out, e-mail Carolyn with the post #." Too late now. Ginger, continuing to code From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Thu Jun 23 13:14:09 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:14:09 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Quick Remus stat and a thought In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050623131409.GG13521@4dot0.net> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:45:05PM -0000, quigonginger wrote: > Now for my thought. > I am coding the posts I signed up for (need a break from > Lupinwhichmeanswolf) and I had a thought. Wouldn't we have saved > ourselves a lot of time in the last 1000 or so posts had we not just > rejected them all and posted a notice on HPfGU saying "Hey, old- > timers, If you actually said anything that was worth repeating in the > month before OoP came out, e-mail Carolyn with the post #." I hear you, I was personally wishing for a button to automatically assume all posts rejects and merely choosing the ones to keep. For not only does Lupin mean wolf, Dark Marks mean baddies and Percy means something rude according to Kneasy (#60490, #60508 and #60517). Sean, thinking of doing something productive like a Beatles filk Gail hasn't thought of yet. Loved all those TBAY posts "Gail looked up from her *filk*...". -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 23 13:30:32 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:30:32 -0000 Subject: Quick Remus stat and a thought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginger asked: Wouldn't we have saved > ourselves a lot of time in the last 1000 or so posts had we not just > rejected them all and posted a notice on HPfGU saying "Hey, old- > timers, If you actually said anything that was worth repeating in the > month before OoP came out, e-mail Carolyn with the post #." > > Too late now. > Ginger, continuing to code Potioncat: That would have been brilliant! Carolyn would have been swamped with e- mails from HPfGU posters with megabites of post numbers (each) that they deem worthy of keeping. Certainly the ones about Lupin meaning wolf, Snape being abusive, Hermione being Harry's sister all have merit....and the rest of us could have had a nice little vacation while she dug herself out of the pile of e-mails. As it is, I think all of us will need to go incognito after the catalogue comes out. Surely there will be complaints that we didn't include certain posts. Kathy W. (hoping this sounds funny and not sarcastic and who thinks maybe, just maybe, two of her posts will make it to the catalogue.) From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 13:33:27 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Beatles Was:Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Quick Remus stat and a thought In-Reply-To: <20050623131409.GG13521@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050623133327.81377.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sean, thinking of doing something productive like a Beatles filk Gail hasn't thought of yet. Loved all those TBAY posts "Gail looked up from her *filk*...". Ginger: Well, she is wanting to finish Revolver, so if you have a copy laying around, she still needs: Love to you, And your bird can sing, For no one, and Tomorrow never. I've had Got to get you into my life sitting on my desk forever, and haven't had inspiration. Do your catalogue work first, of course. Ginger, feeling silly saying that to Sean of all people. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEhehehe From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 23 17:26:38 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:26:38 -0000 Subject: new headmaster Message-ID: This may be old hat to everyone else, but I've run into a bunch of posts predicting DD will be sacked/killed and who will be the new headmaster? (for OoP) One is very close, discussing that the big issue will be how Harry adapts to a less friendly headmaster. One about DD's replacement closes with "My knuts are on McGonagall" which still has me bursting into laughter. Another post mainly about Ron, predicts that Snape will find a way to punish Harry by kicking Harry off the Quidditch team. And that Ron's skill will play a big part in the story. Came pretty close, that one! Kathy W amazed at today's reject rate. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 23 21:24:33 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:24:33 -0000 Subject: Lupin/ Message-ID: ~Anne Well, that's what the code "Just for a laugh" is for -- which reminds me, I never knew whether we were going to include those in the catalogue or just for our own amusement? C - I think we should..but I know that I don't click it that often anymore. Coding gets you that way.. ******* Ginger, on her heroic Lupin investigation: One thing that is still causing a headache is the Good/ESE area. If ESE is in the subject line, there is usually no problem, but I have noticed that many threads start out ESE, and then someone rebuts, but either oversnips or is replying to a rebuttal, and different people have coded each post, that some end up under ESE, some under Good, and some under just Lupin. No thread consistancy at all, and it is not the fault of the coder. There are also 50 or so posts about his personality in general which could very well go to ESE or Good, but aren't there. C - How difficult is it to put them in their correct categories? The difficulty is that even if you can do this neatly, then the threads get broken up. Is the vote to merge the two categories (ESE!/Good) to avoid this? If we do this, then Pippin's theory is difficult to find on its own. Unfortunately she hasn't given it a neat little acronym, so this might end up the one and only example of a named poster being listed as their own category. More thoughts? ***** Ginger asked: Wouldn't we have saved > ourselves a lot of time in the last 1000 or so posts had we not just rejected them all and posted a notice on HPfGU saying "Hey, old- > timers, If you actually said anything that was worth repeating in the month before OoP came out, e-mail Carolyn with the post #." > Potioncat, still aching from being strung up in manacles overnight giggled: That would have been brilliant! Carolyn would have been swamped with e-mails from HPfGU posters with megabites of post numbers (each) that they deem worthy of keeping. ....and the rest of us could have had a nice little vacation while she dug herself out of the pile of e-mails. C - Oh, trust me, I am happy to answer each and every one of those emails. Do I have some scores to settle. It would be a *pleasure*.... But there was one post which I found very sad, and summed up a lost era: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/61153 I really don't like Tolkien much anymore, but it was an apt comparison. ******* Ginger: Does Madam Malkin have a spot on the list? I had a post that could have been coded to her, but couldn't find her. I assumed she would be under "Other Wizarding". I coded the rest of the post, but if she gets a spot of her own, I'll go back and add her. C - she hasn't come up all that much yet. If you think it justified I can add her, or could the post go under WW clothes? From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 23 23:35:06 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Lupin/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050623233507.15700.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C (re: Good/ESE Lupin)- How difficult is it to put them in their correct categories? The difficulty is that even if you can do this neatly, then the threads get broken up. Is the vote to merge the two categories (ESE!/Good) to avoid this? If we do this, then Pippin's theory is difficult to find on its own. Unfortunately she hasn't given it a neat little acronym, so this might end up the one and only example of a named poster being listed as their own category. More thoughts? Ginger: What we could do, and this is just a thought, is have "ESE!Lupin Theory" as a subcategory. It would be for Pippin's theory and we would treat it as though it were an acronym. Or we could just e-mail Pippin and tell her she needs an acronym because, goshdarnit, that's how we do things around here. We could call it PELT: Pippin's ESE Lupin Theory. Or something. Get Tabouli on the line. I called in sick to work tonight (98 degrees outside, 114 in the trailor) and broke down and got an air conditioner. Having this extra time on my hands, I will get more done on Lupin tonight and will see if any more sub-cats are needed. I doubt they will be, but I will let you know. At this time, I think a PELT (or whatever) sub category would suffice. I may change my mind as the night wears on and I return to normal body temp. ***** C - she (Madam Malkin) hasn't come up all that much yet. If you think it justified I can add her, or could the post go under WW clothes? Ginger: The post was predicting that she would be the new (OoP) DADA teacher. It was because there was a Prof. Malkin somewhere in history. I coded it to Predictions, no canon. If she hasn't come up, I guess she isn't that important. If she does become the new DADA teacher, she'll be sure to get a spot of her own. Ginger, still sitting with her feet in a bucket of cold water. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. 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In other news, I'll be plugging away for parts of tomorrow, but I'll be gone this weekend and back home sometime on Monday. I expect Harry Potter will still have fewer than 2000 posts coded to him when I get back. That is all. ~Anne From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 12:52:44 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:52:44 -0000 Subject: Some new definitions Message-ID: Deep sighs of contentment are heard across the ether. Dungrollin (for it is she) lies back in her hammock sipping fresh pineapple juice, rolls another cigarette, and gazes at the forest still dripping from last night's storm. For yes, at last, she has submitted her overly-long thesis, and returned to her African lair (where the rain is proper rain, the sunshine is proper sunshine, and the internet connection is slooow). Having recovered from the inevitable sleep-loss which accompanies printing, binding and submitting, she returns her attention to the laptop and begins to type. Numbers of posts in categories may be out of date ? will sort the new posts that have been added once new definitions are in place. 3.5.2.2 Squibs (80 when review started, up to something else, now down to 51) Current definition: "This topic could overlap with 3.5.2 (Purebloods & half bloods); remember to code also to individual characters discussed" I disagree with this cross-coding to character bit. There is much cross-coding with Filch and Mrs Figg which is entirely unnecessary. If the point is about Squibs, code to squibs, if it is about character, code to character, it should be rare to code to both. Much cross-coding for "You know, I think Petunia might be a squib!!" Or "Mr and Mrs Evans were squibs!!" ? same thing, leave them under the character codes unless the point is really about squibs. Much cross-coding with WW lifespans, genetics and populations estimates. Genetic theories don't need to be coded here. New definition: "Posts about what squibness is, and what it means for WW society. Speculative theories as to Harry's/Petunia's/Neville's/Mr&Mrs Evans's squibness should be coded under character unless the post discusses squibness in detail." 3.8.2.2 Life Debts (83 down to 56) Old definition: "What obligations these impose, how they come about" New definition: "What obligations these impose, how they come about. Theories involving speculative life-debts should be coded to characters/acronyms." 3.8.3 Wands (303, down to 215) Old definition: "What they do, what they are made of, how they choose the wizard/witch etc. Include discussions of specific character's wands" New definition: "What they do, what they are made of, how they choose the wizard/witch etc. Only in-depth discussions of specific character's wands. Try to keep separate from 1.2.13.4 (Symbolism: wood) as far as possible." 3.8.3.1 Wandless magic (46, down to 32) No old definition New definition: "Discussion of uncontrolled magic before attending Hogwarts, as well as intentional wandless magic, don't forget chapter codes for specific instances." If nobody objects, I shall put these new definitions into the database (3. Wizarding World). 3.8.1 Magical ability 3.8.2 General properties & types of magic (262) In progress, new definitions on their way... 3.8.2.1 Ancient Magic "What is it, examples of" I wrote (ages ago) Almost all posts in this category are also coded to one of the following: 1.3.5.1 Godric's Hollow/Death of Lily & James 3.5.4 Blood protection Seems to be quite tempting to add Ancient Magic to discussions of the first two, so stuff discussing Lily's sacrifice or Harry's protection at the Dursleys' I'd like to take out of this category (leaving in 1.3.5.1 and 3.5.4). I think it should really be a subset of 3.8.2 (Gen. Properties and types of magic) ? so general discussions about magic go into 3.8.2, and only those which significantly discuss ancient magic (rather than just mention it) get coded under 3.8.2.1. Carolyn then changed 3.5.4 Blood protection at privet drive to "Blood protection at privet drive/Lily's sacrifice". What I want to know is if I can uncode a load of the Godric's Hollow codes when what is being discussed is Lily's sacrifice and the blood protection. Shouldn't the Godric's Hollow category be more about discussions of the incident rather than it's results? My internet really is slow here. Most pages are ok, but it takes a good 30 seconds for the category list to load each time I move to a new post, which makes re-coding a pain in the whatsit. Any tips? Dot Trying to be relaxed and calm, but really *extremely* cross that the Radio 4 listen again page doesn't appear to work from here, and so she's missing I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. $#*@\%! From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Fri Jun 24 16:42:45 2005 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:42:45 -0500 Subject: New DD Categories, Please Message-ID: OK, I've reviewed more than 1/4 of Dumbly-do-right's posts, and I can now officially say that JKR has left us so few clues and so many inconsistencies, that almost any future is possible for old Albus. These categories may STAY (Sufficient Tantalizing Albus Yields), though some acronyms have no posts yet: 2.3.1 ****Albus Dumbledore [s] [p] 2.3.1.1 ******CHOP [s] [p] 2.3.1.2 ******Dumbledore\'s agenda [s] [p] [d] 2.3.1.2.1 ********DD's 'gleam' [s] [p] [d] 2.3.1.2 ******DARK LADLES [s] [p] 2.3.1.3 ******DEW DROP [s] [p] 2.3.1.4 ******IDIOM [s] [p] 2.3.1.5 ******IDIOT [s] [p] 2.3.1.6 ******REDHEAD ALWAYS [s] [p] 2.3.1.7 ******MAGIC DISHWASHER [s] [p] 2.3.1.7.1 ********LECARRE SPYGAMES [s] [p] 2.3.1.7.2 ********BADD ANGST - pts I & II [s] [p] 2.3.1.7.3 ********OCELOTS [s] [p] Please ADD (Additional Dumble Data) these: 2.3.1.2.2 Agenda as Headmaster (for the description, please say "Including why he took the job, his choices regarding teachers and subject matter, and to what extent he knows what his teachers are doing.") 2.3.1.8 DD's Abilities (for the description, please say "For discussion of his special magical abilities, his animagus form, and other special abilities/knowledge") If you can then realphabetize these subcats, that'd be great for future users (and me!). Question #1: His reference to seeing socks in the Mirror of Erised comes up repeatedly (and often entertainingly). I would like to move the best of these to 1.3.12 Ch 12 Mirror of Erised. Agreed? Question #2: I would like to place the better discussions of his age in 1.2.12 Calc'ing Characters' Ages. Agreed? Question #3: I would like to place the better discussions of his various titles (e.g. Mugwump) in 3.2.5 Medals, Awards, Titles. Agreed? Finally, since MD has now been proven wrong, I have rejected those as 0.0.7 Mistakes/Perpetrating Mistakes. :) Ah, the joy of inflicting imagined psychic pain on the evil headmistress. Bliss, pure and simple. I'm really keeping MD, of course, and it hasn't been proven wrong--yet. OK, now back to business, headmistress. Headmistress? Headmistress!!! [glances at Herself's lifeless body, then reaches frantically for the intercom] Um...party at my place, everyone? --boyd From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri Jun 24 19:01:02 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:01:02 -0000 Subject: New DD Categories, Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Um...party at my place, everyone? > > --boyd "Party? Did I hear party? At groovin' Boyd's place no less. Well, anyone who willingly (or otherwise) takes on the Dumbledore category deserves a break now and again. Drinks on me! Boyd's bringing the music--something funkadelic and 70's is my guess. ;) Jen, who really is coding her last 200 posts even though they are almost as tedious as a round of George Lucas dialogue. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Jun 25 03:13:11 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:13:11 -0000 Subject: Griffindor kids (wasRe: New DD Categories, Please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > > > > Um...party at my place, everyone? > > > > --boyd > > Jen says: > "Party? Did I hear party? At groovin' Boyd's place no less. Well, > anyone who willingly (or otherwise) takes on the Dumbledore category > deserves a break now and again. Drinks on me! Boyd's bringing the > music--something funkadelic and 70's is my guess. ;) Potioncat comes in, carrying several trays of food and gladly accepts a glass of something potent. "My coding batch is done! And I'm taking on the rest of the Gryffindor kids on the review list. Turn up the music, I need something to get the Dudley-Do-Right theme out of my head." ;-) KathyW From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 12:21:04 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:21:04 -0000 Subject: Loony Loopy Long Post Message-ID: The party was in full swing at Boyd's. Drinks (thanks to Boyd) and food (thanks to Potioncat) were handed amongst friends and Disco blared in the background. The party was disrupted by a knock on the door- immediatly followed by a thud. Opening the door, Boyd saw the bedraggled form of Ginger lying on his doorstep, her eyes as glazed as Potioncat's doughnuts. Ever the gentleman, he helped her to her feet. Once inside, she gasped, and yelled, "Werewolf in the hole!" and dived behind the couch. "Incoming! Incoming! Wolfsbane at 3:00!" With agility that middle-aged arthritic rotund women find only on the printed page, she rolled under the coffee table. Potioncat set down her tray and helped Ginger to her feet. "Here, dear," she said kindly. "It's for your own good." and proceded to Hermione-slap Ginger. "Done with Lupin, then? she asked. "No, not quite," said Ginger, returning to her senses. "Let me tell you about it." Digging in her handbag, she pulled out a notebook. "OK, I started out with 937 posts. That was after I put the Good/Evil into the Lupin heading for easier coding. "Then I scanned and got it down to 884, then divided up the posts, rejected or uncoded the obvious, and got it down to 567. "I now have read and kept, rejected or uncoded everything but Good! and ESE! Those will be uncoded from the main heading, which will give us a grand total of: 222 posts under the main head of Lupin 86 ESE! (actually some of these may be rejected. I haven't checked for repitition on these yet.) 4 LYCANTHROPE 5 GOOD! (ditto the ESE comment) 1 BLAMELESS 0 GORE 1 LIDS 1 MARATHON SWIMMER 1 MARATHON SWIMMER'S EYELIDS 2 ROTWEILER OF SWITCH 3 SLURP 2 WHAT THE HELL 5 PERSIL AUTOMATIC 2 WHILST "See my published works about the acronyms." Ginger paused to catch her breath. "Wait a minute," said someone with a lampshade on his/her head, "You got the main heading down from 937 to 222? Even uncoding 91 for Good/ESE, that's still a huge reject rate. Are you sure you didn't overdo it?" "Lupin means wolf," replied Ginger, "and it's more that he exists." Eyeing Potioncat's raising hand, Ginger hastened to elaborate. "What I mean is, there's a lot of repetition, and not just with the name thing. Plus, Lupin was there for the prank, the SS/PoA and was a member of MWPP. So he got a lot of codes for just being there, even if the only mention of him was that he was, in fact, there. "For instance, people go back and forth on whether Sirius or Snape had greater culpability on the prank. Lupin was there, so he gets coded, but all he did was be a werewolf, for which we don't exactly need a post, much less a dozen posts in the Lupin category. Get it?" "But you kept the ones that were actually *about* Lupin, didn't you?" asked Potioncat. "Of course," replied Ginger. "I didn't actually lose my marbles until I got to Good!ESE. "What happened then?" asked Boyd. "Well, I have 3 options," Ginger replied. "(1) We can combine them, (2) we can thread them (which Miss didn't seem to care for) or (3) I can read through every blessed one again and figure out if the coder was coding with the impression that Good was for Good threads and ESE was for ESE threads, OR if they had coded each to what was being discussed in that particular post. Both have been occuring frequently. "I do need to reread them if we are setting Pippin's aside. Miss will have to let me know on that." Ginger gasped. "Miss! Where is Miss?" She turned on Boyd. "You didn't leave her in the office, out cold and without doughnuts, did you? You is a bad, bad boy!" Boyd took Ginger by the shoulders. "She needed the rest, and there's a bottle of Ogden's in reach. She's fine. Now have some doughnuts." "But," said Ginger, allowing herself to be sat down, "I have news for her. In my review, I noticed that posts 42221-42300 didn't seem to be coded yet. I didn't check them all, but a random search seemed to indicate it." Ginger stood up. "No, thank you for the doughnuts, but I've got to find Miss!" Ginger headed for the door, paused, grabbed a chocolate-covered cream filled for Miss, and with a final wave to her friends, left. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 25 13:10:56 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:10:56 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Loony Loopy Long Post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050625131056.GA8431@4dot0.net> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:21:04PM -0000, quigonginger wrote: > "But," said Ginger, allowing herself to be sat down, "I have news for > her. In my review, I noticed that posts 42221-42300 didn't seem to > be coded yet. I didn't check them all, but a random search seemed to > indicate it." "Fear not," said ewe2, taking off the lampshade (for it was he) "for I shall code them!" Valiantly he eeked a determined tune, as he waddled off to the Room of Lost Codes. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat Jun 25 13:40:56 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:40:56 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Loony Loopy Long Post In-Reply-To: <20050625131056.GA8431@4dot0.net> References: <20050625131056.GA8431@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050625134056.GB8431@4dot0.net> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 11:10:56PM +1000, Sean Dwyer wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:21:04PM -0000, quigonginger wrote: > > > "But," said Ginger, allowing herself to be sat down, "I have news for > > her. In my review, I noticed that posts 42221-42300 didn't seem to > > be coded yet. I didn't check them all, but a random search seemed to > > indicate it." > > "Fear not," said ewe2, taking off the lampshade (for it was he) "for I shall > code them!" Valiantly he eeked a determined tune, as he waddled off to the > Room of Lost Codes. And it was done, and the penguin again reclined with a munchie and a drinkie and had the dance music up loud for the other coders to wobble to... -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat Jun 25 14:29:58 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Loony Loopy Long Post In-Reply-To: <20050625134056.GB8431@4dot0.net> Message-ID: <20050625142958.76170.qmail@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > "But," said Ginger, allowing herself to be sat down, "I have news for > > her. In my review, I noticed that posts 42221-42300 didn't seem to > > be coded yet. I didn't check them all, but a random search seemed to > > indicate it." > > "Fear not," said ewe2, taking off the lampshade (for it was he) "for I shall > code them!" Valiantly he eeked a determined tune, as he waddled off to the > Room of Lost Codes. And it was done, and the penguin again reclined with a munchie and a drinkie and had the dance music up loud for the other coders to wobble to... Ginger sighed, "My hero." Turning to the room in general, she asked, "who was that masked penguin?" grabbed another doughnut and left...again. Maybe this doughnut will make it as far as the office. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakearney at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 22:53:05 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:53:05 -0000 Subject: 3.16.4.6 - 3.16.4.9 Review (individual houses) Message-ID: 3.16.4.6 through 3.16.4.9 Slytherin, Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, and Ravenclaw ================================================ The was a LOT of peripheral mention type posts in the four house categories, especially with Slytherin and the various characters associated with that house. Most of these posts belong with the character (Draco is evil/redeemable posts, Snape does/doesn't play favorites posts, etc). Because the Hogwarts houses are such an integral part of the story, they come up in almost all discussions. Only use the house categories for posts specifically focused on the characteristics of the house or students (as a whole) in the house. I had to laugh at the intro to #35196, by Elkins: "Much Snapestuff here. Snape and Reader Expectation. Snape and Subversion. Snape and his Old Gang. Snape and House Slytherin. Snape and the Malfoys. Snape's Sudden Movement. Snape Snape Snape Snape Snape." Did our job for us. However, the entirety of this thread (full of long, well-written, extremely thorough character analysis of Snape, between Elkins, Porphyria, Eileen, and a few others) was coded to Slytherin (as well as several other peripheral codes I didn't touch due to time constraints). Don't do that! Some specific comments on subtopics: Heir of Slytherin/Heir of Gryffindor arguments go to the founder codes, not the House codes. For sorting/house of individual characters: only code to the a house if making a specific argument for or against a single house. Otherwise, code to Sorting process and the character. And only code if the discussion is centering on how that particular chartacter embodies the qualities of the house(s) (not predictions based on JKR comments, events or comments in canon, personal predictions, etc). I came across a really long thread discussing the House Cup switch at the end of PS/SS and whether it was overly cruel to the Slytherins. I uncoded almost this entire thread from Slytherin; the chapter code and house championship more than adequately cover this (a few posts focused on Slytherin traits and why the other students all cheered, so these ones survived). Finally, there are more than enough "Slytherins are all evil... no they're not... yes, they are... no they're not" arguments in the Slytherin category, so think very long and hard before sticking another one in there. The numbers: 3.16.4.6 Slytherin ------------------ Originally: ~369 Now: 160 Characteristics of Slytherin house and discussion of Slytherin students as a group. 3.16.4.6.1 SENTIMENTAL CRAP --------------------------- Originally: 1 Now: 1 3.16.4.6.2 SLOPPY READING --------------------------- Originally: 2 Now: 2 Neither acronym is used outside these three posts, although the ideas they embody are frequently discussed. They'll almost certainly merge into 3.16.4.6 eventually. 3.16.4.7 Gryffindor ------------------- Originally: ~147 Now: 48 Characteristics of Gryffindor house and discussion of Gryffindor students as a group. 3.16.4.8 Hufflepuff ------------------- Originally: ~91 Now: 36 Characteristics of Hufflepuff house and discussion of Hufflepuff students as a group. 3.16.4.9 Ravenclaw ------------------ Originally: 84 Now: 18 Characteristics of Ravenclaw house and discussion of Ravenclaw students as a group -Kelly From kakearney at comcast.net Sat Jun 25 23:42:27 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:42:27 -0000 Subject: Returning some reviews Message-ID: Kelly strolls into the empty catalogue office and over to her desk, which is covered in files. Picking up six of the files, she walks over to Miss Havisham's desk and drops them in the "Finished reviews" tray. She glances at a calander on the wall, then to the nine files still stacked on her own desk, then again at the calender, and an evil grin slowly spreads across her face. She quickly gathers up all the files, returns to Miss Havisham's already overflowing desk and adds her files to the top of the mountain, with a small memo attached: ==================================================================== Well, I failed spectacularly in my goal to finish all my review sections before leaving on this trip. And so I'm going to have to turn the work over to you and the rest of the catalogue team. The following categories are the ones remaining from my review allocations... 3.16.0 Hogwarts- General (83 posts) ----------------------------------- This was the dumping ground for everything that was previously coded to 3.16 Hogwarts School. From what I've seen, everything here actually belongs in one of the 3.16 subcategories, and were probably placed here prior to the creation of the appropriate subcategory. After all posts are reviewed and recoded, this category should be empty and able to be deleted. 3.16.4.1 Sorting process (352 posts) ------------------------------------ This category can probably be trimmed a bit due to the repetition I saw while reviewing other categories. For all the discussion of how and why the sorting hat makes the decisions it does. I was also putting posts here that theorized as to which houses various adults belonged (unless the post argued for one particular house). 3.16.4.5 House championship, points system & house cup (138 posts) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Haven't looked much at this one. 3.16.5 School discipline system, general (76 posts) --------------------------------------------------- Or this one either, although I'm guessing it will probably have some overlap with 3.16.4.5. 3.16.5.1 Prefects & head boy/girl (140 posts) --------------------------------------------- At first glance, this one seems to be in pretty good shape, although a review is still necessary. 3.16.6 Teachers (152 posts) 3.16.6.1 Teaching methods (247 posts) 3.16.6.2 Textbooks (26 posts) 3.16.6.3 Exams (58 posts) ------------------------------------- Haven't looked at these yet 3.8.6.10 Sorting Hat (143 posts) -------------------------------- For posts about the sorting hat as an entity, i.e. where it keeps its brain, whose thoughts it's channeling, etc. Most of the posts here need to be moved to 3.16.4.1 Sorting process. ==================================================================== Kelly pauses, then, fearing for her safety,quickly adds to her memo ==================================================================== P.S. Paul and I successfully completed my computer setup, so I'll be able to return to coding as soon as I'm settled in on the ship. Who knows, I may even be able to challenge you, Sean, and Ginger for the "Fastest Coder" title. ==================================================================== Satisfied, Kelly turned and left the catalogue office. Down the street at Boyd's, a party was in full swing. I really should pack, Kelly thought, but you know, maybe just one drink... From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Jun 26 02:03:38 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:03:38 -0000 Subject: Never thought I'd read these words...... Message-ID: Stop the presses! Post #60140 by our own Mr. Kneasy. And I quote: "Sirius, on the other hand is a big shaggy dog, a traditionally friendly image, that's trusted by a part kneazle. So Sirius is OK by me." WHAT? I mean, we're all allowed to change our minds now and again, and certainly I will eat my words before this is over, but the venerable Kneasy saying Sirius is OK? My world is rocked. Jen, who distinctly remembers arguing with Kneasy over the symbolism of the Padfoot animagus form and he did NOT say Sirius was "OK". Hehehe. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Jun 26 10:19:01 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:19:01 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Never thought I'd read these words...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <392A08B1-A2B4-41CF-B08E-019C8C7858B9@btconnect.com> > Stop the presses! Post #60140 by our own Mr. Kneasy. And I quote: > > "Sirius, on the other hand is a big shaggy dog, a traditionally > friendly image, that's trusted by a part kneazle. So Sirius is OK by > me." > > WHAT? I mean, we're all allowed to change our minds now and again, and > certainly I will eat my words before this is over, but the venerable > Kneasy saying Sirius is OK? My world is rocked. > > Jen, who distinctly remembers arguing with Kneasy over the symbolism > of the Padfoot animagus form and he did NOT say Sirius was "OK". > Hehehe. > > Scarcely believable, but true. If you read some of my early efforts closely, you'll find a different take on Sevvy, too. Ah, the follies of youth, when the world was young and posters not yet steeped in paranoia and mendacity accepted the canon at face value. Didn't last long, though. Within a handful of weeks suspicion supplanted surety and the miserable old curmudgeon was off and running - well, not so much running as oozing into perceived cracks in the fictional facade. A lisping dewy-eyed innocent transfigured into a misanthropic old bugger, corrupted by the observation that the really interesting posts in the back files were the ones that upset the fluffies. Having an alter ego means you can change your mind - at the beginning, anyway. But as the posts have multiplied arrowsmithbt has become a mere appendage, Igor to a villainous master, a toiler in the dungeons of Schloss Kneasy while the suzerain struts on the battlements dreaming of converting canon into weapons of mass destruction. No doubt Hubris lurks in the shadows. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 26 12:38:12 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:38:12 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 26th & various replies Message-ID: PROGRESS Well, as everyone may have noticed we finally achieved our interim goal this week, and finished coding to post 61393, up to the publication of OOP. Great, well done all and sundry. About seven of us did 3495 posts last week, mainly with chainsaws. The current tally is 68487 posts coded and 39737 rejected - a satisfying 58.0%, and back up to previous levels almost. We have done 59 out of 106 review sections, and the whole focus now is on completing those reviews, if possible before July 16th. Please just pick up sections and go for them. Coding errors - can we check the reject status on the following: Sean: 60376, 59119 Carolyn: 60636 Jen: 57683 ******* Ginger: I called in sick to work tonight (98 degrees outside, 114 in the trailor) and broke down and got an air conditioner. C - We had English summer this week as well. This is the technical term for 10 days of exhausting humid high temperatures between consecutive months of rather chilly, overcast, but very dry weather. The net result is no tan when you need it, shrivelled up gardens, but flash floods sweeping away various villages, Glastonbury etc. The upside is that every year it alternately fries the Wimbledon spectators or stops the tournamount. ********** Dot: Deep sighs of contentment are heard across the ether. Dungrollin (for it is she) lies back in her hammock sipping fresh pineapple juice, rolls another cigarette, and gazes at the forest still dripping from last night's storm. For yes, at last, she has submitted her overly-long thesis, and returned to her African lair My internet really is slow here. Most pages are ok, but it takes a good 30 seconds for the category list to load each time I move to a new post, which makes re-coding a pain in the whatsit. Any tips? Trying to be relaxed and calm, but really *extremely* cross that the Radio 4 listen again page doesn't appear to work from here, and so she's missing I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. $#*@\%! C - Where are you exactly ? Seem to remember Ivory Coast, but that sounds a bit dangerous.. Heh, you are missing a new series of the News Quiz too. Friday evening highlight. When do we have to start calling you Dr Dung? No theory on the Internet connection, except I've noticed it has been a bit gungy even from the UK recently. Could try clearing all your URL caches etc, see if it makes a difference. Dot: What I want to know is if I can uncode a load of the Godric's Hollow codes when what is being discussed is Lily's sacrifice and the blood protection. Shouldn't the Godric's Hollow category be more about discussions of the incident rather than it's results? C - I would agree with this, so please go right ahead. Also, thanks for updating all those definitions, and yes make the changes in the database sections as you suggested. I will upload them all into the live catalogue in due course. ******** Boyd: Please ADD (Additional Dumble Data) these: 2.3.1.2.2 Agenda as Headmaster (for the description, please say "Including why he took the job, his choices regarding teachers and subject matter, and to what extent he knows what his teachers are doing.") 2.3.1.8 DD's Abilities (for the description, please say "For discussion of his special magical abilities, his animagus form, and other special abilities/knowledge") If you can then realphabetize these subcats, that'd be great for future users (and me!). Question #1: His reference to seeing socks in the Mirror of Erised comes up repeatedly (and often entertainingly). I would like to move the best of these to 1.3.12 Ch 12 Mirror of Erised. Agreed? Question #2: I would like to place the better discussions of his age in 1.2.12 Calc'ing Characters' Ages. Agreed? Question #3: I would like to place the better discussions of his various titles (e.g. Mugwump) in 3.2.5 Medals, Awards, Titles. Agreed? C - OK, will add the extra categories you requested. Before you move the socks posts, check the socks category under WW clothes. Personally, I think they should all go there, rather than the Mirror of Erised, because they are not really about the Mirror, but what DD meant by the remark. I thought we had agreed to have a new sub-head under a character for discussions about their age if there was a lot of debate ? KathyW? [BTW, I have asked Paul several times to move those posts out of that general heading but he has not got around to it yet]. I agree about titles, awards etc Boyd: Finally, since MD has now been proven wrong, I have rejected those as 0.0.7 Mistakes/Perpetrating Mistakes. :) Ah, the joy of inflicting imagined psychic pain on the evil headmistress. C - You will now be placed on SHIPping duty with First Lt, Ginger, who has recently been promoted to management for keeping me back a doughnut from **the party you didn't invite me to**. Any further insubordination and you will be sorting out the FAQ/Adds nothing new reject category for the rest of your life, in case we missed anything important. ************ Nice!Thoughtful!Ginger: "Well, I have 3 options," "(1) We can combine them, (2) we can thread them (which Miss didn't seem to care for) or (3) I can read through every blessed one again and figure out if the coder was coding with the impression that Good was for Good threads and ESE was for ESE threads, OR if they had coded each to what was being discussed in that particular post. Both have been occuring frequently. "I do need to reread them if we are setting Pippin's aside. Miss will have to let me know on that." ...we could just e-mail Pippin and tell her she needs an acronym because, goshdarnit, that's how we do things around here. We could call it PELT: Pippin's ESE Lupin Theory. Or something. Get Tabouli on the line. C - I called her out on TOC...we need a solution to this. Whilst waiting to see what she says, the best distinction I can think of is that all obvious ESE!Lupin (Pippin or other people) posts and the threads that relate to them should go under one head, but other posts which really just start independently off on a character analysis of Lupin which leads to a Good!Lupin conclusion should go under another heading. So the distinction would be good!Lupin posts go under ESE!Lupin if they are an integral part of a thread there, but not otherwise. Would this work? ********* Kelly: ... strolls into the empty catalogue office and over to her desk, which is covered in files. Picking up six of the files, she walks over to Miss Havisham's desk and drops them in the "Finished reviews" tray. She glances at a calander on the wall, then to the nine files still stacked on her own desk, then again at the calender, and an evil grin slowly spreads across her face. She quickly gathers up all the files, returns to Miss Havisham's already overflowing desk and adds her files to the top of the mountain, with a small memo attached: ==================================================================== Well, I failed spectacularly in my goal to finish all my review sections before leaving on this trip. And so I'm going to have to turn the work over to you and the rest of the catalogue team. The following categories are the ones remaining from my review allocations... P.S. Paul and I successfully completed my computer setup, so I'll be able to return to coding as soon as I'm settled in on the ship. Who knows, I may even be able to challenge you, Sean, and Ginger for the "Fastest Coder" title. C - Whoa! Not so fast... We have a problem Houston...coding has now officially stopped and we are in review mode for the forseeable. Would there be any chance you could complete reviews and email me lists of post # to change from onboard ship? The problem is that I don't want to start on the next phase of the catalogue without completing this one properly. ********** Kneasy: Ah, the follies of youth, when the world was young and posters not yet steeped in paranoia and mendacity accepted the canon at face value. Didn't last long, though. Within a handful of weeks suspicion supplanted surety and the miserable old curmudgeon was off and running - well, not so much running as oozing into perceived cracks in the fictional facade. A lisping dewy-eyed innocent transfigured into a misanthropic old bugger, corrupted by the observation that the really interesting posts in the back files were the ones that upset the fluffies. C - A what????????? A 'lisping, dewy-eyed innocent'....... ..entertained that you haven't yet managed to get a rise out of the Samizdatistas..maybe you should present yourself as a fluffy. As gun enthusiasts, it should quickly get a bit more interesting than pansying about on HPfGU. & sorry, owe you on architecture. Later. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 26 14:15:52 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:15:52 -0000 Subject: Lupin acronym - response from Pippin Message-ID: --- In the_old_crowd at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > We're currently organising the Lupin theories and want to put all your ESE!Lupin posts in one place, but alas you've never come up with a neat little acronym... Pippin: Yours are very good. But the theory, or rather its symbolic representation as a TBAY flying hedgehog (ah, those were the days) does have an acronym, given in message 39562. It's LYCANTHROPE --Lupin Yields Candy, A Nasty Trick, He's Really Obviously Perfectly Evil. It's listed in the Inish Alley database. Pippin Who has always been partial to the ever so simple LIE --Lupin Is Evil. From kakearney at comcast.net Sun Jun 26 16:08:16 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:08:16 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 26th & various replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wrote: > Well, I failed spectacularly in my goal to finish all my review > sections before leaving on this trip. And so I'm going to have to > turn the work over to you and the rest of the catalogue team. The > following categories are the ones remaining from my review > allocations... > > P.S. Paul and I successfully completed my computer setup, so I'll be > able to return to coding as soon as I'm settled in on the ship. Who > knows, I may even be able to challenge you, Sean, and Ginger for the > "Fastest Coder" title. And Carolyn replied: > We have a problem Houston...coding has now officially stopped and we > are in review mode for the forseeable. > > Would there be any chance you could complete reviews and email me > lists of post # to change from onboard ship? > > The problem is that I don't want to start on the next phase of the > catalogue without completing this one properly. Um, maybe? Two problems right now: 1) The [p] function in my version of the catalogue isn't working. To Paul: I'm missing the file ..\paracelsus\include\functions\post_functions.inc.php, which is called in line 7 of the print_posts.php script: require_once 'functions/post_functions.inc.php'; I currently have four files in the functions folder: utils_web.inc print_query.inc.php directory_functions.inc.php category_cache.inc.php Am I missing any others? To Carolyn: If I can't get that file in time, I'm willing work around this problem by simply saving the list of posts in each category and going to them one by one, but it will take longer. 2) The version of the catalogue that I have is static, so I won't be able to see any of the changes other cataloguers make. Since no one is coding at the moment, this isn't a big concern, but if anyone adds/removes codes from my categories while doing their reviews, things could get confusing. -Kelly, leaving tomorrow morning at o-dark-hundred, so we'll need to reach a decision today. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jun 26 16:31:41 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:31:41 -0000 Subject: HBP catalogue spoiler policy Message-ID: Could people let me know what they think is a reasonable length of time to have a spoiler policy in operation in this group? Kelly is away at sea until the end of July/early August and won't get the book until then; I don't know about Dot in Africa - what are your plans to get hold of the text? It seems to me that putting 'HBP Spoiler' in the heading should be ok for say July and August, and after that we could assume we have all read it? Let me know. Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Jun 26 18:04:47 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:04:47 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday June 26th & various replies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Boyd: > Question #2: I would like to place the better discussions of his age in 1.2.12 Calc'ing Characters' Ages. Agreed? > C: > > I thought we had agreed to have a new sub-head under a character for discussions about their age if there was a lot of debate ? KathyW? [BTW, I have asked Paul several times to move those posts out of that general heading but he has not got around to it yet]. KathyW: Well, we have the Weasleys as a separate calculating ages. And there are already a few posts about DD's age in the Calculating Adults' ages. Is there enough discussion to justify a separate category for DD? If so, I would think it would also come under the greater heading of Calculation Characters' Ages rather than under the heading of Dumbledore. BTW, currently, any posts under the ages are NOT also coded to character. That's because so many of them are about many different characters at once. If the heading grows too heavy, we may have to re- consider. But I would still think we could group certain folks together. > C - You will now be placed on SHIPping duty with First Lt, Ginger, > who has recently been promoted to management for keeping me back a > doughnut from **the party you didn't invite me to**. > ************ > Nice!Thoughtful!Ginger: Potioncat mumbling to herself: I KNEW that doughnut would get Ginger a promotion! At this rate, I'll be the only non-management person around...which is OK, not making decisions is just fine with me. Now, I'd better start memorizing who gets tea and who gets coffee, as well as how it should be prepared. Hmmm, I'll be so busy fetching things, no one will expect any coding or reviewing... no, not a chance! Potioncat calls out, "Hey Kelly, Fair winds and following seas!" She turns back "Or is it Fair seas and Following winds? How about, Safe trip!" Kathy W. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Jun 26 21:02:48 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:02:48 -0400 Subject: DD's age (wasRe: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE, Sunday June 26th & various replies References: Message-ID: To clarify: Put DD's age under calculating adults' ages, unless you think there are too many, in which case we should make a new heading. Kathy W. ----- Original Message ----- From: potioncat To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: UPDATE, Sunday June 26th & various replies Boyd: > Question #2: I would like to place the better discussions of his age in 1.2.12 Calc'ing Characters' Ages. Agreed? > C: > > I thought we had agreed to have a new sub-head under a character for discussions about their age if there was a lot of debate ? KathyW? [BTW, I have asked Paul several times to move those posts out of that general heading but he has not got around to it yet]. KathyW: Well, we have the Weasleys as a separate calculating ages. And there are already a few posts about DD's age in the Calculating Adults' ages. Is there enough discussion to justify a separate category for DD? If so, I would think it would also come under the greater heading of Calculation Characters' Ages rather than under the heading of Dumbledore. BTW, currently, any posts under the ages are NOT also coded to character. That's because so many of them are about many different characters at once. If the heading grows too heavy, we may have to re- consider. But I would still think we could group certain folks together. > C - You will now be placed on SHIPping duty with First Lt, Ginger, > who has recently been promoted to management for keeping me back a > doughnut from **the party you didn't invite me to**. > ************ > Nice!Thoughtful!Ginger: Potioncat mumbling to herself: I KNEW that doughnut would get Ginger a promotion! 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Yes, I was as surprised as you to see that grinch boogie, but shake shake shake it he did, and with the kind of reckless abandon that really warmed the cockles of our hearts. I think that odious draft he brought with him might have had something to do with it--butterbeer, my butt! Which reminds me, whoever's got my pants, PLEASE return them; I may never find white leather with purple fringe like that again! Now let's see, a bit of mail here: ---------------- "Lupin means wolf," said Ginger, "and it's more that he exists." Ditto on Gandalf. I mean Albus. My reject rate may not be quite that high, but the sheer quantity of posts where DD is mentioned means that--especially early on--his name was ticked almost non-stop. IMO, excellent job dividing the wheat from the chaff, Ginger. "Fear not," said ewe2, taking off the lampshade (for it was he) "for I shall code them!" Wow, thanks ewe2. That's really stepping up. Very solid of you. Now, um, could you *please* return my lampshade? Kelly said: "Well, I failed spectacularly in my goal to finish all my review sections before leaving on this trip. And so I'm going to have to turn the work over to you and the rest of the catalogue team." Then Kneasy said: "you can change your mind." Hey now! Where was I when these rules were decided?!? I'm so mad, I'd return my DD posts, if missus hadn't threatened me with Adds Nothing New. ;) Speaking of which, Carolyn said, "OK, will add the extra categories you requested. Before you move the socks posts, check the socks category under WW clothes." Thanks for the adds, but are you sure the socks stuff doesn't just stay in the chapter where he said it? Socks have only been directly connected to DD that once, but I will do as you say. Kathy W asked, "Is there enough discussion to justify a separate category for DD?" The answer--an unequivocal yes. Carolyn, could you please add a Dumbledore subhead to Calculating Characters Ages? Thanks in advance, and I'll put the DD Age posts there. She went on to say, "I KNEW that doughnut would get Ginger a promotion! At this rate, I'll be the only non-management person around." Hello? Maybe if we're lucky, they'll let us spell each other in 12-hour shifts! --boyd Cleaning up the aftermath of a party is so sad. Feels very symbolic, somehow. But only 18 days until HBP--party at my place again, anyone? (This time we'll even invite Carolyn!) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Jun 27 15:24:22 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:24:22 -0000 Subject: The Aftermath... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}" wrote: > --boyd > Cleaning up the aftermath of a party is so sad. Feels very symbolic, > somehow. But only 18 days until HBP--party at my place again, anyone? (This > time we'll even invite Carolyn!) If you think that'll get you off the hook, think again. Ginger is one serious SHIPing taskmaster. Your homework (by Friday) is four feet of parchment on why Hermione fancies a threesome with both Ron and Harry, explaining your reasons in terms of young teenage sexuality in Britain today. For extra marks you can fantasise about why she wants to ride Firenze bareback. Carolyn, fishing out a whip from the management tool store. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Mon Jun 27 16:01:03 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:01:03 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: The Aftermath... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050627160103.GB5869@4dot0.net> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 03:24:22PM -0000, Carolyn White wrote: > If you think that'll get you off the hook, think again. > > Ginger is one serious SHIPing taskmaster. Your homework (by Friday) is > four feet of parchment on why Hermione fancies a threesome with both > Ron and Harry, explaining your reasons in terms of young teenage > sexuality in Britain today. For extra marks you can fantasise about why > she wants to ride Firenze bareback. I hear the big thing these days is teenage nudism, you could explore that. > Carolyn, fishing out a whip from the management tool store. You need a LART (Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool): cattle-prods are much favoured in the system administration community, although perhaps a taser may suffice in the interim. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 18:39:55 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: The Aftermath... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050627183955.23420.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carolyn wrote: Ginger is one serious SHIPing taskmaster. Your homework (by Friday) is four feet of parchment on why Hermione fancies a threesome with both Ron and Harry, explaining your reasons in terms of young teenage sexuality in Britain today. For extra marks you can fantasise about why she wants to ride Firenze bareback. Carolyn, fishing out a whip from the management tool store. Ginger, the SHIPing person: Actually, Boyd, SHIPping is easy. Weed out all the posts that say nothing more than _&_ are cute together. Weed out all the ones that think it seems obvious that JKR intends _&_ to end up together. Weed out all the replies to that in which a poster whines (yes, whines, only Americans whine in this way) that the poster to whom they are replying is violating their rights by saying that it is "obvious" and that every opinion is valid and everyone has the right to say whatever they want, so the first poster can't say "obvious". Have a biscuit whilst you contemplate the sorry state of American affairs evident in a post where a person first whines about their rights to say whatever they want and then tells someone else that they can't say something. Note that they see no irony in it. Weed out all posts where the first poster replies that they said that it only "seems" obvious, thus it was a statement of opinion, and as such is allowable. Following ADMINS will have already been deleted. In other words, code only mind-numbingly long canon-supported arguements. Your first assignment: Tell me what the heck FLNA stands for. Or is it FNLA? Drat, should have checked that before typing. Your second assignment: Find out how Carolyn knows that Herm fantasized about Firenze. If you are a Star Wars fan, figure out my devotion to Chewbacca. (That is for extra credit and is not required.) Fortunately for you, the SHIP category is done for now, and will need updating only after we have new canon. Then we get Luna too. Joy. Ginger, going to bed, then work, then off to finish up LYCANTHROPE, ESE and Good Lupin. Then on to something else. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From dk59us at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 23:44:17 2005 From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:44:17 -0000 Subject: Review: 3.01.1 Pre 1900 History Message-ID: 'Where have you been?' asked Carolyn, cutting coolly through Doug's babbling. 'Where've I -?' 'Been, yes', she said. "Reviews started four months ago. Another cataloger has had to cover your posts. None of your colleagues has been able to give me any information as to your whereabouts. You left no address. Where have you been?' There was a pause in which Doug stared at her with his newly uncovered eye. 'I - I've been away for me health', he said. 'For your health', repeated Carolyn. Her eyes travelled over Doug's discoloured and swollen face; dragon blood dripped gently and silently on to his waistcoat. 'I see.' 'Yeah', said Doug, 'bit o' - o' fresh air, yeh know-' 'Yes, at open air museums fresh air must be so difficult to come by', said Carolyn sweetly. The small patch of Doug's face that was not black or purple, flushed. 'Well - change o' scene, yeh know-' 'Mountain scenery?' said Carolyn swiftly. Anyway, the secret mission didn't go so well, but I have at long last finished reviewing posts coded to Pre-1900 History. As I'm in the history biz in RL, I suppose I could have brought a somewhat obscure (some might say pedantic) perspective to analyzing these, but I think I've resisted that. However, a minimum standard seemed to be that the post had to actually discuss aspects of history (WW, RL or both) of the 19th century or earlier. I propose to eliminate posts that merely mention a date or event in passing (e.g., a reference in Post 159 to the Werewolf Code of Conduct (1637) in the midst of a post that is really about the significance of the number of werewolf references in PS.) Someone who wanted posts on pre-1900 history wouldn't find this very useful. And the post has quite enough codes to be going on with already. Then there's a thread that includes #34199 that centers on discussion of religious influences and whether the WW's observance of Christmas and Easter are primarily Christian or pagan or secular/modern. The 3.01.1 code adds little to these posts as they're not really about how the holidays developed in any historical sense. As another example of posts I'd be apt to de-code from Pre-1900 History, there's a thread that includes #45679 that's trying to answer a query about what the sword of Gryffindor should look like. Again this is primarily about the style of sword and the relative merits of the movie version. There's more data from the perspective of Creative Anachronists than historians in most of these. Take 3.01.1 out of some of these and the only code is Godric Gryffindor...but I still think it would be misleading to code this to History. Anyway, with these examples in mind, I found that 35 of the 58 posts (yeah, I know, what _took_ me so long?) are fine coded to 3.01.1. Another 7 are marginally OK. I'd drop the code from 15 of them and there's one that should be moved to Post-1900 history. Cheers, Doug (who wishes he was in the mountains rather than the hot, humid upper Susquehanna valley tonight) From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 13:10:39 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:10:39 -0000 Subject: ESE!food for thought Message-ID: We now have 89 ESE posts and 6 good. I haven't moved anything. They are still as they were originally coded. Just thought you might find the following stats interesting. There is a margin of error of +/- 1 as I had to guess on a couple due to unclear attribution. ESE: Posts by Pippin: 33 Posts responding to Pippin: 32 Posts in the same thread as Pippin, but not a direct response: 8 Random thoughts: 5 Posts in other threads: 11 Good: Responding to Pippin: 2 Other: 4 Now I'm not a math type chick, but it seems to me that Pippin is involved, directly or indirectly, in over 2/3 of the posts. If we move her out, we have little left, and quite frankly, the rest of it is 2 T-BAYs in which she (and her ESE theory) is mentioned and a few other comments. Just to note: A few of these are also coded to LYCANTHROPE. A thought? Anyone? Ginger, who will go ahead and drop the main code from these posts. From boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com Tue Jun 28 13:54:57 2005 From: boyd.t.smythe at fritolay.com (Smythe, Boyd T {FLNA}) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:54:57 -0500 Subject: Aftermath... Message-ID: Carolyn: Your homework (by Friday) is four feet of parchment on why Hermione fancies a threesome with both Ron and Harry.... boyd: I think I saw this in a movie in my hotel room once (or thrice). Shall I locate and send you a copy? ewe2: I hear the big thing these days is teenage nudism, you could explore that. boyd: I did, but my neighbors asked me to stop. Ginger: Have a biscuit whilst you contemplate the sorry state of American affairs evident in a post where a person first whines about their rights to say whatever they want and then tells someone else that they can't say something. Note that they see no irony in it. boyd: It's just that I think it's *obvious* that Hermione's lover will be *Grawp*. She has *never* settled for less than perfect on her exams, so why should she when it comes to *physical* love? And you can't say she clearly 'loves' Ron. That's just insultingly chauvinistic and demonstrably untrue (just look it up!). Obviously, Jo is going to demonstrate via her obvious alter-ego that the perfect man need not conform to *your* pedantic stereotype of the 'modern man.' So be quiet, you prejudiced hatemonger; free speech is *my* right! Now surrender or be assimilated! BTW, Mistress Carolyn, are you sure you want me looking over SHIPs? I prefer to think they all belong on the Garbage Scow. Ginger: Tell me what the heck FLNA stands for. boyd: While Carolyn's guess was entertaining, it's really Frito-Lay North America, which we egotistical Americans have redefined here at PepsiCo to include just the U.S. and Canada. Mexico is part of Latin America. (duh) They actually let me manage finances here. Can you believe it? Ginger: Find out how Carolyn knows that Herm fantasized about Firenze. If you are a Star Wars fan, figure out my devotion to Chewbacca. (That is for extra credit and is not required.) boyd: I think I still prefer the Hermione-Grawp pairing, thanks. (Chewbacca?!?) Now back to Dummybore! From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Tue Jun 28 16:28:26 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:28:26 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Aftermath... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > boyd: It's just that I think it's *obvious* that Hermione's lover > will be > *Grawp*. She has *never* settled for less than perfect on her > exams, so why > should she when it comes to *physical* love? And you can't say she > clearly > 'loves' Ron. That's just insultingly chauvinistic and demonstrably > untrue > (just look it up!). Obviously, Jo is going to demonstrate via her > obvious > alter-ego that the perfect man need not conform to *your* pedantic > stereotype of the 'modern man.' So be quiet, you prejudiced > hatemonger; free > speech is *my* right! Now surrender or be assimilated! > It's all a bit one-sided unfortunately. Still, Grawp has got his foot in the door - of the Madam Whiplash Whorehouse and School of Correction. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/messages/113918 From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jun 29 11:41:10 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:41:10 -0000 Subject: ESE!food for thought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > We now have 89 ESE posts and 6 good. I haven't moved anything. They > are still as they were originally coded. Just thought you might find > the following stats interesting. There is a margin of error of +/- 1 > as I had to guess on a couple due to unclear attribution. Kathy W: I'm not sure I see the problem. I think ESE!Lupin is very familiar topic to the list in general. Wouldn't a new acronym confuse the issue? 89 is a lot of posts, but it is a big topic, so it's not unreasonable. I thought that "good" was generally a part of ESE, since it was usually a counter argument. ESE!McG is a much smaller topic, but I had both in that heading. Do all the ESE! have to be Pipppin's to be valid? If you want to, you could code a couple of them to the heading for Alicia or Katie; they're both down to 0. Lots of room there! On the other hand, if you're coding to ESE!food, I'd vote for both cockroach clusters and blood lollipops for that heading. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 11:49:55 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Aftermath... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050629114955.32943.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> boyd: While Carolyn's guess was entertaining, it's really Frito-Lay North America, which we egotistical Americans have redefined here at PepsiCo to include just the U.S. and Canada. Mexico is part of Latin America. (duh) They actually let me manage finances here. Can you believe it? Ginger, who swears she thought Boyd was British (my apologies to the Crown): Frito-Lay! THE Frito-Lay! Really? Cool! You have done your share of SHIPping as far as I'm concerned. It took 4 bags of Doritos, 2 of Kettle Cooked Lays and 1 Twisted Cheetos to review the SHIP category. Your new SHIP assignment: Keep your company solvent until the catalogue project is done. I'm sure Miss will have other assignments for you. Just keep those Doritos coming and I'm happy. Ginger (before): Find out how Carolyn knows that Herm fantasized about Firenze. If you are a Star Wars fan, figure out my devotion to Chewbacca. (That is for extra credit and is not required.) boyd: I think I still prefer the Hermione-Grawp pairing, thanks. (Chewbacca?!?) Ginger (now): Since I'm letting you off the hook with SHIPs, I'll complete that assignment. Ginger's top 10 reasons that Chewbacca would make a perfect husband. 10) He is good at fixing things. 9) He is very loyal. 8) He would rip the arms off anyone who tried to hurt me. 7) He is accustomed to the type of hair clogs he would find in my shower drain. 6) Having viewed his anatomy, I can find no reason to believe that there would be any requests for any actions on my part that make middle-aged, rotund, arthritic women emit screams of discomfort (followed by the man mistaking them for a request for more). 5) His piloting skills would make it possible for me to attend every HP gathering around the globe. 4) His movie royalities would allow me to quit my job and devote 40 more hours per week to the cataloguing project. 3) He is intelligent, but wouldn't talk over my head (like TOC). 2) As a resident of the Frozen North, I could save a mint on my heat bill by snuggling up to him. And the #1 reason Chewbacca would make the perfect husband: He is used to being second in command. 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Ginger: Actually, even the "Good" posts are mostly inspired by, if not in response, to ESE. We were wondering how to seperate Pippin from the chaff. It seems that there is so very much Pippin and so little "the rest" that it wouldn't change things much. And the Good could easily be assimilated into the ESE category. Ginger, who thought "blood pudding" sounded like an ESE!food. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 12:45:33 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:45:33 -0000 Subject: Getting down to it Message-ID: *bursts into office, slamming doors and scattering papers* There are 1676 posts left to sort in the Harry Potter category, and only 16 days and some-odd hours left until HBP! O_o *grabs coffee and scrams to the catalogue* ~Anne From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 13:31:30 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Getting down to it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050629133130.94250.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> annemehr wrote: *bursts into office, slamming doors and scattering papers* There are 1676 posts left to sort in the Harry Potter category, and only 16 days and some-odd hours left until HBP! O_o *grabs coffee and scrams to the catalogue* Ginger gives Anne a great big hug. It's ok. You can do it. I have faith in you. It's only 167.6 per day. Or something. Have a doughnut. You'll feel better. Also- I forgot to add to my last post that I did reject a couple of the ESE's (repeats) and there is still one post coded to both good and ESE. 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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Wed Jun 29 20:18:56 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:18:56 -0000 Subject: WW History/Lupin/drowning sorrows Message-ID: Doug: Anyway, with these examples in mind, I found that 35 of the 58 posts (yeah, I know, what _took_ me so long?) are fine coded to 3.01.1. Another 7 are marginally OK. I'd drop the code from 15 of them and there's one that should be moved to Post-1900 history. C- spluttering ever-so-slightly at the post count (I thought this section must have thousands of posts or something)...Doug, I like your analysis, all decisions sound very sensible. I think you have got the idea just fine! You know what's coming, don't you.. feel free to move right on to the next section! ****** Ginger: Now I'm not a math type chick, but it seems to me that Pippin is involved, directly or indirectly, in over 2/3 of the posts. If we move her out, we have little left, and quite frankly, the rest of it is 2 T-BAYs in which she (and her ESE theory) is mentioned and a few other comments. Just to note: A few of these are also coded to LYCANTHROPE. A thought? Anyone? Kathy W: I'm not sure I see the problem. I think ESE!Lupin is very familiar topic to the list in general. Wouldn't a new acronym confuse the issue? C - since her caped ESEness seems to have got bored with the topic of her very own theory, I guess we have to decide what to do. Typical. I agree with Kathy, and I think the way your thoughts are going too, Ginger. I think it is damn silly to put all the ESE!Lupin posts under LYCANTHROPE, no one will think to look there. I vote that you put all the posts (ESE! & good) under ESE!Lupin, and just the one post that coined LYCANTHROPE under that head, in the same way we have treated all the other theories. So there. ********** Anne: *grabs coffee and scrams to the catalogue* C - yep, scram... double quick! ********* Kneasy (on TOC): Blood, guts and ectoplasm everywhere. DD, Snape and a bunch of Weasleys cop it in the neck. Plus Dobby. Plus Luna. And that irritating midget Creevy. The DEs get sentenced as permanent test-beds for experimental potions and spells - might as well get some use out of 'em, they can pay their debt to society by being lab rats. And if Hermione got her frontal lobes fried.... but that's asking too much, I'm afraid. Pity. It might shut her up. We deserve a bit of the old cathartic release, I think. But fear not. If the worst comes to worst we have the technology, the imagination, the sheer brass neck to reconstruct the HP plot- lines into a BANGier format. Such a pity that we can't actually enter the story a la Thursday Next and influence it from the inside. C - I will not go into the day I had today. Suffice it was Very,Very, Very Bad, and that's saying quite a lot by the standards of the last month or so. Tired, emotional, murderous and clutching some booze I idly looked at HPfGU, only to find the effing Snape row had broken out YET again, with all the SAME protagonists, complete with same obligatory Admin warning. In despair I turn to TOC, which, by contrast, constantly seems to be threatening to break out in sickening pink hearts. But no, Canute- like, Kneasy stands firm to the end. What a hero. In gratitude, an account should immediately be opened at Berry Bros... Carolyn, pissed (in more ways than one). From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jun 29 22:02:43 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:02:43 -0000 Subject: Lupin- the Final Post Message-ID: Good has been moved to ESE. Final totals: Lupin: 238 ESE: 91 LYCANTHROPE: 4 Good: 0 All others remain the same. I'll go and put it in the database. Haven't been on the main list for a bit due to Lupin. Glad I'm not missing anything. Ginger, typing quickly as the radio just announced that a tornado is approaching south Fargo, and Ginger is in north Fargo in a trailer house, and a bit on edge. Chewbacca is still my man. Thanks, Sean, for the interesting link. From dicentra at xmission.com Thu Jun 30 05:46:17 2005 From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:46:17 -0000 Subject: Finished reviewing Good vs. Evil Message-ID: I shrunk it from 815 to 227. Was that too much? Did I wash the wool sweater in hot water? I tossed all the posts that discussed whether X character was evil without discussing what the nature of good or evil was. I'll saddle up for more, if you'd like. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 11:54:28 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:54:28 -0000 Subject: Is Draco taken? Message-ID: I didn't see anyone signed up for Draco, so I signed up for him. You have 18 hours to speak, or I attack him. Good news for you, Carolyn. My plans for this weekend were canceled due to illness (not mine) and I have nothing on my agenda from 1:30 am Friday to 9:00 am Monday (Central Time, US) except sleep and this! And throw in a couple loads of laundry, but the washer/dryer are only a dozen or so feet from the computer. Question for Boyd: Do they have a Frito-Lay UK? I can't imagine life without Doritos. Ginger, out of the storm watch, for now. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 30 13:24:29 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 13:24:29 -0000 Subject: Dodgy pix/review allocations Message-ID: Ginger: Good has been moved to ESE. C -You're warming the hearts of conspiracy theorists everywhere. Ginger, typing quickly as the radio just announced that a tornado is approaching south Fargo, and Ginger is in north Fargo in a trailer house, and a bit on edge. C - realising that my knowledge of Fargo was not comprehensive (eg 'where is it?'), I googled you. This is N Dakota/Minnesota, nearly Canada? I am concerned for you. Your city website offers the following tantalising tourist attractions: http://www.cityoffargo.com/solidwaste/landfillequipment.htm http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/Police/NewWebSite/OntheBeat/swatphotos.htm (and not an exaggeration, there are just 7 sets of photos on offer, and these are two of them!) ******** Dicentra: I shrunk it from 815 to 227. Was that too much? Did I wash the wool sweater in hot water? I tossed all the posts that discussed whether X character was evil without discussing what the nature of good or evil was. I'll saddle up for more, if you'd like. C - Excellent & far be it from a heathen like me to dice with Dicey as to what is right and wrong. As you are on an ethical roll, do you want to tackle the morality/immorality sections 1.1.2 through 1.1.2.9 ? Debbie was going to do them, but is currently AWOL, involved in some curious sporting activities with her children. ****** Ginger: I didn't see anyone signed up for Draco, so I signed up for him. You have 18 hours to speak, or I attack him. C - fine by me... From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jun 30 13:46:01 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 09:46:01 -0400 Subject: chit chat (was Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Dodgy pix/review allocations) References: Message-ID: Dicentra: I shrunk it from 815 to 227. Was that too much? Did I wash the wool sweater in hot water? Kathy W: You worry over a 2/3 reduction? I take the prize. I reduced a code by 100%! I reduced a Gryffindor girl (I forget which one) from 1 post to 0 posts. Ginger: I didn't see anyone signed up for Draco, so I signed up for him. You have 18 hours to speak, or I attack him. Kathy W: Oh, thank goodness! For a moment, when I saw "Is Draco taken?" I thought you and Chewie were having problems. For anyone who needs a laugh, read 131420. Inspired by Ginger and me (although Ginger doesn't know about it). And pay no attention to the misspelled word in the subject line. It was a typo, honest! Now, back to reviewing while humming "The Frito Bandito" song. Kathy W. SPONSORED LINKS Writing and publishing a book Writing child book Business writing book Creative writing book Writing book Book writing software -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "HPFGU-Catalogue" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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'Damn!' notes Debbie, 'I missed another cataloguing happy hour.' The Captain, however, is clutching her head in despair. After suffering the No Good, Horrible, Very Bad Day, she is issuing new cataloguing orders: - I vote that you put all > the posts (ESE! & good) under ESE!Lupin, and just the one post that > coined LYCANTHROPE under that head, in the same way we have treated > all the other theories. So there. Can I get some clarification here? We are *only* putting the post that coins the acronym in the acronym category? I was just about to move the entire Reverse Memory Charm debate to its very own MATCHING ARMCHAIR. Should I not do that? Anyway, I have an interim Neville report. After wading through way too many treacly PoorWoobie!Neville posts which made me wonder why I ever liked this character (except to spin theories involving him being tortured by every character under the sun), I now have less than 100 posts left. Nothing exciting to report, except that if you click Teaching Methods or Child Abuse, chances are, you shouldn't be clicking Neville because the post is probably about Snape. And it probably should be rejected because the thought has now been posted to the list approximately 17,845 times. My goal is to knock the original 560 down to 300. I assume 300 posts is not enough to consider subcodes, but there are only about 4 topics in the entire collection (though post-OOP they will all be about the Prophecy): Memory Charms (does he or doesn't he, if so what kind, and if not then what is ailing him) Brave!Neville Elkins Responses to Elkins When I'm done, I will tackle Equality and Fairness, if nobody objects. This may be all I can handle before HBP, though the Captain will be pleased to hear that some of the meets have cancelled due to thunderstorms and rescheduled for *after* HBP is released. > Kneasy (on TOC): If the worst comes to worst we have the technology, > the imagination, the sheer brass neck to reconstruct the HP plot- > lines into a BANGier format. Such a pity that we can't actually enter > the story a la Thursday Next and influence it from the inside. 'Who says we can't? Any subversive can do it.' > > > C - I will not go into the day I had today. Suffice it was Very,Very, > Very Bad, and that's saying quite a lot by the standards of the last > month or so. Tired, emotional, murderous and clutching some booze I > idly looked at HPfGU, only to find the effing Snape row had broken > out YET again, with all the SAME protagonists, complete with same > obligatory Admin warning. ::offering chocolate:: Here's how I handle this: I keep a gmail account and have all the posts sent there, where they are neatly sorted into threads. Then, with just two clicks, I can delete an entire offending thread. That way, when I look at HPFGU posts, I only see what I want to see. I have many invites; if anyone wants one, just ask. > In despair I turn to TOC, which, by contrast, constantly seems to be > threatening to break out in sickening pink hearts. But no, Canute- > like, Kneasy stands firm to the end. What a hero. In gratitude, an > account should immediately be opened at Berry Bros... A final question from an ignorant Yank: what is Berry Bros? And with that, Debbie rushes out the door to the catalogue office back to her cubbyhole and gets back to work (sadly, on the job that provides a paycheck) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 30 16:34:59 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:34:59 -0000 Subject: What's up with Yahoo this time? Message-ID: If I click 'view all messages' on the home page of this (and all the Yahoo sites), I don't get all the messages, just a small selection from yesterday. Is this just me? Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Jun 30 16:56:01 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:56:01 -0000 Subject: What's up with Yahoo this time/solved & other riddles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > If I click 'view all messages' on the home page of this (and all the Yahoo sites), I don't get all the messages, just a small selection from yesterday. > > Is this just me? > Yep, it was just me. By some mishap, the date order of the list had got inverted. You can see I am in slow recovery mode today. Debbie: Can I get some clarification here? We are *only* putting the post that coins the acronym in the acronym category? I was just about to move the entire Reverse Memory Charm debate to its very own MATCHING ARMCHAIR. Should I not do that? C - No, that's fine. I should have said all the posts directly discussing LYCANTHROPY as an acronym-ed theory (about 4 as I recall). Though it does raise the question whether they should be dual-coded to that acronym and ESE!Lupin - what do you think Ginger? > Kneasy (on TOC): If the worst comes to worst we have the technology, > the imagination, the sheer brass neck to reconstruct the HP plot- > lines into a BANGier format. Such a pity that we can't actually enter > the story a la Thursday Next and influence it from the inside. Debbie: 'Who says we can't? Any subversive can do it.' C- I just came across the term 'Bangst' in a post to describe that feeling of fearing the plot will not being bangy enough. Rather good I thought. Debbie: A final question from an ignorant Yank: what is Berry Bros? C - It's a very old and famous wine merchants in London - see this link for history. As you can see, a very suitable place for grumpy old curmudgeons. http://www.bbr.com/GB/about/history.lml?ID=P8LCB0H9NTZ00BM From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 22:01:36 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Dodgy pix/review allocations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050630220136.49171.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm in a bit of a rush off to work right now, so I will have to view the pics later, but I drive by the landfill often. I'll tackle morality after Draco. I should have time this weekend. Although I'm not sure that I'm qualified to tackle morality as, according to the PS crowd on the site, there is no moral excuse for us Snape fans. ;) Talk to you later, Ginger carolynwhite2 wrote: Ginger: Good has been moved to ESE. C -You're warming the hearts of conspiracy theorists everywhere. Ginger, typing quickly as the radio just announced that a tornado is approaching south Fargo, and Ginger is in north Fargo in a trailer house, and a bit on edge. C - realising that my knowledge of Fargo was not comprehensive (eg 'where is it?'), I googled you. This is N Dakota/Minnesota, nearly Canada? I am concerned for you. Your city website offers the following tantalising tourist attractions: http://www.cityoffargo.com/solidwaste/landfillequipment.htm http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/Police/NewWebSite/OntheBeat/swatphotos.htm (and not an exaggeration, there are just 7 sets of photos on offer, and these are two of them!) ******** Dicentra: I shrunk it from 815 to 227. Was that too much? Did I wash the wool sweater in hot water? I tossed all the posts that discussed whether X character was evil without discussing what the nature of good or evil was. I'll saddle up for more, if you'd like. C - Excellent & far be it from a heathen like me to dice with Dicey as to what is right and wrong. As you are on an ethical roll, do you want to tackle the morality/immorality sections 1.1.2 through 1.1.2.9 ? Debbie was going to do them, but is currently AWOL, involved in some curious sporting activities with her children. ****** Ginger: I didn't see anyone signed up for Draco, so I signed up for him. You have 18 hours to speak, or I attack him. C - fine by me... SPONSORED LINKS Writing book Writing and publishing a book Creative writing book Book writing software Writing child book Business writing book --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Catalogue" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 22:07:36 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: What's up with Yahoo this time/solved & other riddles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050630220736.87329.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C - No, that's fine. I should have said all the posts directly discussing LYCANTHROPY as an acronym-ed theory (about 4 as I recall). Though it does raise the question whether they should be dual-coded to that acronym and ESE!Lupin - what do you think Ginger? Ginger: As far as I remember, they are already dual-coded, but since there are 4 of them, they'll end up assimilated anyway. They definately do belong in the ESE column too as they were in the middle of discussion. I'll check it out tonight after work and make sure they are. Ginger, rush, rush, rush __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jun 30 22:10:04 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Dodgy pix/review allocations In-Reply-To: <20050630220136.49171.qmail@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050630221005.91095.qmail@web30213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gosh, I'm an idiot! You were talking to Dicey about morality. That's what I get for reading too fast. Sorry about that. Yes, she can have them. I'm just waking up. On my first cigarette. Just pretend I never wrote that. Ginger, the dense Ginger wrote: I'm in a bit of a rush off to work right now, so I will have to view the pics later, but I drive by the landfill often. I'll tackle morality after Draco. I should have time this weekend. Although I'm not sure that I'm qualified to tackle morality as, according to the PS crowd on the site, there is no moral excuse for us Snape fans. ;) Talk to you later, Ginger carolynwhite2 wrote: Ginger: Good has been moved to ESE. C -You're warming the hearts of conspiracy theorists everywhere. Ginger, typing quickly as the radio just announced that a tornado is approaching south Fargo, and Ginger is in north Fargo in a trailer house, and a bit on edge. C - realising that my knowledge of Fargo was not comprehensive (eg 'where is it?'), I googled you. This is N Dakota/Minnesota, nearly Canada? I am concerned for you. Your city website offers the following tantalising tourist attractions: http://www.cityoffargo.com/solidwaste/landfillequipment.htm http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/Police/NewWebSite/OntheBeat/swatphotos.htm (and not an exaggeration, there are just 7 sets of photos on offer, and these are two of them!) ******** Dicentra: I shrunk it from 815 to 227. Was that too much? Did I wash the wool sweater in hot water? I tossed all the posts that discussed whether X character was evil without discussing what the nature of good or evil was. I'll saddle up for more, if you'd like. C - Excellent & far be it from a heathen like me to dice with Dicey as to what is right and wrong. As you are on an ethical roll, do you want to tackle the morality/immorality sections 1.1.2 through 1.1.2.9 ? Debbie was going to do them, but is currently AWOL, involved in some curious sporting activities with her children. ****** Ginger: I didn't see anyone signed up for Draco, so I signed up for him. 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