Dark Arts/Final showdown predictions/Timelines

carolynwhite2 carolynwhite2 at aol.com
Thu Mar 17 15:09:53 UTC 2005


Talisman:

Regarding my review of 3.9.1. What is Dark Magic?

There were some posts that actually fit the category. Some don't
belong at all (usually Snape was just standing too close) and some
belong somewhere under 3.9. Dark Arts, but don't at this time have
appropriate sub-headers.

I would like to propose the following additions to the levels:

3.9.1.1. How is Dark Magic Taught/Learned?
3.9.1.2. Legality of the Use of Dark Magic
3.9.2.4. Voldemort's Rebodification Spell/Use of Human Ingredients
3.9.5. Dark Magical Objects
3.9.8. Relationship to Dark Creatures

Carolyn:
No problem with the first three.
We already have a 3.9.5 Cursed items - do you want to rename it?

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New predictions category

Dot: 
Actually... I've been wondering for a while whether we need a
category for the final showdown between Harry and Voldy.<

Anne: Oooo, yes. It could go among the predictions....<

Boyd:
I'd vote for placing such posts under Predictions for now--some of the
coded Book 7 predictions are, in fact, right in line with this. Good 
job,
everyone! Of course, after the series is over <ack!>, we could easily 
go
back and find the closest theories and give them a special place of 
honor in
the Catalogue.

Carolyn:
So, this is a third category under Book 7:

1.17.4.3 Final showdown Harry vs Voldy

Will you be moving some predictions into this, Boyd?

NB, please note the predictions section has just been re-numbered to 
be 1.12

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SIGNIFICANT DATES/DAYS OF THE WEEK

Kathy W:
I'm working through the timelines and I wanted to get some feedback
on section 1.2.9.1.1 significant dates.

There are a number of posts about Halloween and the many things that
happen on different Halloweens (inclucing the conception of the Boy
Wonder) I was thinking of moving those to Festivals and Religion
3.7.6.

Talisman:
I think recurrent Halloween events stand out sufficiently to warrant
a titular category, somewhere, probably under your Timelines
heading. I'm wondering if other Festivals (Feast of Walpurga,
etc.?) wouldn't fair better by being excised from Religion, per se,
and moved here, either to their own level 2 headings, or to a "Other
Festivals and Holidays" catchall, depending on importance.

Carolyn:
I would agree that the things that happen on Halloween should stay 
under significant dates, possibly gathered together as a sub-
category. The Festivals & religion category in section 3 is more for 
discussing cultural aspects of the WW.

Those other festivals that Talisman mentioned should equally be sent 
to the section 3 heading, rather than be put under 'religious 
influences' in meta-themes. That heading is for discussing the 
influence of muggle religions on the underlying themes of HP.

KathyW:
There are a few posts about frequent use of specific days of the week
and why JKR does that, which I think should be moved to narrative
style 1.2.6.


Talisman: I don't agree that this should go to Narrative Style. To
the extent that Rowling is exploiting any
connotations/superstitions/ mythological links, etc. with specific
days of the week, this should be treated as symbolism, preferably
with it's own section: Days of the Week, but I see it aptly cross-
referenced with timeline considerations.

(If we were discussing how Rowling's use of symbolism impacts the
works/the experience of reading them, that would go to narrative
style.)

Carolyn:
Weeell....we should look at the posts. Kathy is right if the analysis 
is just about possibly lazy writing style - ie, she simply doesn't 
care if the 1st of September isn't always on a Monday etc. That does 
belong under narrative style. OTOH, yes, if the posts are about some 
symbolic association with days of the week, then we could put it 
somewhere under 1.2.13.11 Numbers, perhaps?








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