From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun May 1 03:32:25 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 03:32:25 -0000 Subject: Still Plugging... Message-ID: Anne comes up for air amongst a pile of scraps of papers strewn about the room, some stuck in her hair... "Still reviewing the Harry category. I had another intrusion of RL, and when I got back and looked at this afresh, I decided I needed to backtrack a little. "By the way, you who are coding again, you are being stingy handing out those Harry codes, right? I mean, if the post is about how *Snape* reacts to Harry, you don't code to Harry even if his name is in every other sentence. And if a post uses Harry's heritage to illustrate the difference between a pureblood and a halfblood, you don't code to him then, either. In fact, if there's a good post worth several codes, but the Harry aspect of it adds nothing new, don't code to him then, either, even if you put other codes on. Okay? "But you knew all of this already, right?" With a grin, Anne takes a deep breath and plunges back into the pile... ~Anne, who *will* get this done From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun May 1 04:22:47 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 04:22:47 -0000 Subject: Scabbers Message-ID: I guess we're coding Scabbers to Pettigrew? I do think of Scabbers as a separate animal because he was introduced that way, but realistically we wouldn't have a category for Padfoot or Prongs. I'm just coding a long thread on Scabbers/why he chose the Weasleys, and it reminded me I've wrestled with the question before. Jen, waving to Anne if she's still around and *assuring* her she thinks long and hard about coding to Harry (and really all the characters) unless there's absolutely nothing else to code to. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun May 1 06:35:43 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 06:35:43 -0000 Subject: Threads on Interviews about COS movie Message-ID: Ran across the first thread (?) on interviews referring to the COS movie: **Rowling also states that, in relation to the seven books, "Key things happen in book two. No one knows how important those things are... yet. There's a lot in there. And I know how difficult it was to get it all in there without drawing too much attention to the clues."** This is connected to the Kloves interview, where he states something in the COS movie will 'play later in the series'. I housed this thread in 'Reviews of COS' because I thought the thread would be a good one to read intact, and also because the guesses were scattered widely across the book. Since this is an often repeated question with many possible answers, do you guys think we should have a special category under COS for 'Possible Clues in the Movie' or something similar? I'm not sure what to call it, but the definition could be "speculation related to interviews about which scenes in COS were significant for later books and therefore included in the movie." Jen, on a roll tonight. ;) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 1 21:10:57 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:10:57 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday, May 1st Message-ID: PROGRESS We have currently coded 53027 posts, and rejected 29110 of these (54.8%) - note that our reject rate is dropping steadily week by week. This week, with 7 people coding, we did 867 posts. We have also now completed 51 of the 106 review sections. (LONG) DEFINITIONS FILES I combed through our past posts today and brought the large revised definitions files up to date (the Word files in the file section, not the database tables). Although they are now quite long, could I ask people to have a read through them in order to refresh memories of the discussions and decisions we have made so far? It is quite easy to forget, and that would be a pity after all the review work that has been done. QUERIES As I went through our posts, I came across one or two points that we seem not to have settled. Thoughts please on: (1) MWPP code (see discussion in Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis file). Do we want this or not, and if so should it be a sub-head under 1.2.11 Group Dynamics? (2) Alchemy/Rosicrucianism I asked whether this should be under 1.1.1.1 Religious influences or 1.2.13.8 Alchemy. I think it should be under Alchemy - see this link: http://www.amorc.org.uk/html/ancient_knowledge.html I can't say I study Hans' posts in great detail, but they seem to be adapting bits of Christianity to his own POV rather than vice versa. (3) Seventh son/missing Weasley child(ren) I propose that all these theories go to the Weasley dynamics code 1.2.11.1 for the time being, and then that category can be sorted out in one go. ******** Jen: I guess we're coding Scabbers to Pettigrew? I do think of Scabbers as a separate animal because he was introduced that way, but realistically we wouldn't have a category for Padfoot or Prongs.I'm just coding a long thread on Scabbers/why he chose the Weasleys, and it reminded me I've wrestled with the question before. Carolyn: Yes, definitely code to Pettigrew. ************ Jen: Ran across the first thread (?) on interviews referring to the COS movie: do you guys think we should have a special category under COS for 'Possible Clues in the Movie' or something similar? I'm not sure what to call it, but the definition could be "speculation related to interviews about which scenes in COS were significant for later books and therefore included in the movie. Carolyn: Since we have a movie reject category, I think we need to be really careful here to keep only stuff that has a book- or interview- canon basis. And I would tend to put that in the general COS review section and/or predictions, depending. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 1 21:21:47 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 21:21:47 -0000 Subject: UPDATE for MEG, May 1st Message-ID: Would one of you passing elves pick this up and take over to MEG? ****************************************************************** PROGRESS ON CATALOGUING PROJECT AS AT 1st May 2005 53027 posts catalogued in total 29110 posts rejected in total (54.8%) 2658 posts catalogued in April We have reached post 46600 on the main list. The group currently has 26 members. The coding process is beginning to pick up again, although many group members are still working on reviewing categories. Currently we have completed 51 of our 106 review sections. On the technical front, due to time constraints, there has unfortunately been no progress on the two main tasks: - the list of technical requirements for the server the catalogue will require (action - Paul); - the next iteration of the UI design (action - Tim). ******************************************************************* From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon May 2 15:07:09 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:07:09 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday, May 1st In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > QUERIES > As I went through our posts, I came across one or two points that we > seem not to have settled. Thoughts please on: > > (1) MWPP code > (see discussion in Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis > file). Do we want this or not, and if so should it be a sub-head > under 1.2.11 Group Dynamics? Anne: I see my vote is actually in Revised Definitions. I still think it's a useful category and can help control the size of the individual characters' sections. These Group Dynamics posts often Add Nothing New to individual character analyses, yet they take what's already been said of the characters and combine these ideas in new ways while analysing the group. Did that make sense? Carolyn: > (2) Alchemy/Rosicrucianism > I asked whether this should be under 1.1.1.1 Religious influences or > 1.2.13.8 Alchemy. I think it should be under Alchemy - see this link: > > http://www.amorc.org.uk/html/ancient_knowledge.html > > I can't say I study Hans' posts in great detail, but they seem to be > adapting bits of Christianity to his own POV rather than vice versa. Anne: These posts are, IMO, singular enough to warrant their own subcategory, which I would like to see put in symbolism under Alchemy rather than under religious influences (as I sincerely doubt this was a true *religious* influence on JKR's story). It works all right, since Hans speaks of symbolism all the time. I'm sure we all have an ulterior motive for capturing them (and their replies) in a separate category -- it is very difficult to understand exactly what he intends to say. This is not even meant to be a criticism (I used to read his posts with interest), it's just a fact. Rather than miscode due to misinterpretation, or sprinkle them throughout the character and event codes, let's just capture them in their own category. There are few enough of them that the category will not be huge, and they will not all be Hans's, as some will be replies. Just call it Rosicrucianism for now; we can adjust the title later if we see a need. Carolyn: > (3) Seventh son/missing Weasley child(ren) > I propose that all these theories go to the Weasley dynamics code > 1.2.11.1 for the time being, and then that category can be sorted out > in one go. Anne: Agreed. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon May 2 15:32:11 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:32:11 -0000 Subject: Calculating Characters' Ages /Rejecting Posts Message-ID: Just a few tidbits here. At the rate I'm going, I'll be removing/rejecting about half of the current number of posts coded to 1.2.12. Then we'll see what we have and how it should be managed. For now, only code to calculating ages 1.2.12 if the post has something substantial to say, and uses some canon basis. At this point,some of the earlier posts are more for history, quite a few sounded good but turned out to be wrong. Lexicon Steve's post immediately after JKR said Snape was 35 was a real whoop of joy. You could hear the gears spinning! And here is a technical question. Carolyn, you give the reject rate each week when you send out the coding stats. Do the posts we reject in the review process get picked up in that reject number? I'm surprised the rate isn't higher. Kathy W. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu May 5 15:07:36 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 15:07:36 -0000 Subject: Characters' Ages & Re: Weasley Age Gaps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Kathy W before: > > I took action on the Weasley Age Gap posts 1.2.12.1: > Was 109 now 36. Some of these are only coded to the one heading, some > have other codes as well. Many of these are already coded to Weasleys. > > In that number I completely rejected a little over 20 posts. > > Why don't we leave it be until I sort out 1.12.1 Calculating > Characters' Ages? That way, whatever we do with ages will be consistent. Kathy W. now. With about 40 more posts to review, I can say this: When all is said and done, there will only be around 50-65 posts left under 1.2.12 Calculating Charcters' Ages. (out of 190) You can only read why Hermione had to have been born in 1980 or had to have been born in 1979 so many times. Most posts fall under a specific character or several characters, others fall under Hogwarts Admission Policy/British school policy. So, either of these would work in my opinion: Keep 1.2.12 but do not cross code to character. Any catalogue user who needs this code can scan through the subject headings to get the posts they are interested in. Get rid of the code number 1.2.12, keeping the code to the character or school policy for that post. I recommend the latter. And if we follow that line, I'd suggest merging the 1.2.12.1 Weasley age gaps into the Weasley Dynamics. Carolyn, once that decision is made, I may need to check a few posts before we do a massive change. Kathy W. My computer is moving incredibly slowly.....I think because of a program my daughter is running. So I'm not sure when I'll be able to take more action on the posts. From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun May 8 01:14:30 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 01:14:30 -0000 Subject: Males/Females/Gays/Fforde Message-ID: I took a break from coding and went back to reviewing this week. I'm about halfway done with 1.2.10.9 Portrayal of males/females/gays (about 400 posts). It's fairly straightforward, though a bit repetitive. My question is this: should we separate gender from sexual orientation? The flavor of the gender posts (are there strong female characters, could Harry have been written as a female, is the WW sexist, etc.) is quite different than the flavor of the gay character posts, which all center on whether she would write such a character and how it could be done without offending the religious right. Any thoughts? I've just picked up another coding batch and I'll wait for feedback before going back to reviewing. If anyone is looking for me, I am Lost in a Good Book. Mrs Hathaway34 sounds just like any number of posters at HPFGU; I shall have to decide which one. But can someone tell me why Marianne is wearing *Victorian* attire at Norland Park? Debbie From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 8 10:34:22 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 10:34:22 -0000 Subject: MWPP/Rosicrucianism/characters' ages/gays/socialist collectives Message-ID: Carolyn: > (1) MWPP code Anne: I still think it's a useful category and can help control the size of the individual characters' sections. These Group Dynamics posts often Add Nothing New to individual character analyses, yet they take what's already been said of the characters and combine these ideas in new ways while analysing the group. Carolyn: Ok, since no more comments on this, I'll go ahead and add the code. > (2) Alchemy/Rosicrucianism Anne: These posts are, IMO, singular enough to warrant their own subcategory, which I would like to see put in symbolism under Alchemy rather than under religious influences Carolyn: Ditto, Rosicrucianism is going under alchemy then. Potioncat: And here is a technical question. Carolyn, you give the reject rate each week when you send out the coding stats. Do the posts we reject in the review process get picked up in that reject number? I'm surprised the rate isn't higher. Carolyn: Yes, rest assured that anything that is rejected in the review process is picked up in those stats. I am surprised that the rate is continuing to fall - I'd hoped we'd all be much more ruthless after the review experience. Potioncat: So, either of these would work in my opinion: Keep 1.2.12 but do not cross code to character. Any catalogue user who needs this code can scan through the subject headings to get the posts they are interested in. Get rid of the code number 1.2.12, keeping the code to the character or school policy for that post. I recommend the latter. And if we follow that line, I'd suggest merging the 1.2.12.1 Weasley age gaps into the Weasley Dynamics. Carolyn: Now people - pay attention to this - which would you prefer? My preference, like Kathy, is for putting the character's ages posts with the character, but within their own mini-subhead under the character main head, so they don't get lost. Debbie: I'm about halfway done with 1.2.10.9 Portrayal of males/females/gays (about 400 posts). It's fairly straightforward, though a bit repetitive. My question is this: should we separate gender from sexual orientation? The flavor of the gender posts (are there strong female characters, could Harry have been written as a female, is the WW sexist, etc.) is quite different than the flavor of the gay character posts, which all center on whether she would write such a character and how it could be done without offending the religious right. Any thoughts? Carolyn: My vote is yes - it was a stopgap solution that needs sorting out; the two things are quite different as you say. BTW, if we create a new sexual orientation category in section 1, there is a subset in WW - 3.4.5 - which should probably be merged with it. Also, how would the new section relate to 2.17.4 Gay SHIPs (Ginger??) Debbie: But can someone tell me why Marianne is wearing *Victorian* attire at Norland Park? Carolyn: Where does it say that? I can only find the bit where she pulls on her leather flying helmet and goggles... ..& who wouldn't like to read the lost Jane Austen ms, 'Confusion and Conviviality' which got taken over by a socialist collective of characters insisting on equal page time From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun May 8 12:03:01 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (elfundeb at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 12:03:01 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] MWPP/Rosicrucianism/characters' ages/gays/socialist collectives Message-ID: <050820051203.7777.427DFFF500015F7700001E6122058891160D0A0B029A00040A@comcast.net> Carolyn: > Yes, rest assured that anything that is rejected in the review > process is picked up in those stats. I am surprised that the rate is > continuing to fall - I'd hoped we'd all be much more ruthless after > the review experience. Debbie: I'm surprised too, but I'm finding that while we're rejecting more posts (the reject rate of my last batch did exceed the overall rate, but not by much), our new ruthlessness is seen more in the number of codes per post, which has dropped dramatically. Carolyn: > Now people - pay attention to this - which would you prefer? My > preference, like Kathy, is for putting the character's ages posts > with the character, but within their own mini-subhead under the > character main head, so they don't get lost. Debbie: I like this solution. Debbie: > My question is this: should we separate gender from sexual > orientation? The flavor of the gender posts (are there strong > female characters, could Harry have been written as a female, is the > WW sexist, etc.) is quite different than the flavor of the gay > character posts, which all center on whether she would write such a > character and how it could be done without offending the religious > right. > Carolyn: > My vote is yes - it was a stopgap solution that needs sorting out; > the two things are quite different as you say. BTW, if we create a > new sexual orientation category in section 1, there is a subset in > WW - 3.4.5 - which should probably be merged with it. Also, how would > the new section relate to 2.17.4 Gay SHIPs (Ginger??) Debbie: Ok, I've looked at 3.4.5, and it is exactly the same discussion that is in 1.2.10.9. So the simple solution would be to move 3.4.5 to Characterization and move the gay character posts from 1.2.10.9 to that category. That would work quite well. A post about WW attitudes toward gays could go under 3.2.6 (bigotry); I think that would cover it. I think we should leave 2.17.4 alone and use it for posts proposing a gay ship. Debbie: > But can someone tell me why Marianne is wearing *Victorian* attire at > Norland Park? > > Carolyn: > Where does it say that? I can only find the bit where she pulls on > her leather flying helmet and goggles... Debbie: "There was a light breeze and in front of the house a long girl dressed in a Victorian dress, bonnet and shawl. She walked slowly, gazing fondly at the --" and at this point Cordelia interrupts. Carolyn: > ..& who wouldn't like to read the lost Jane Austen ms, 'Confusion and > Conviviality' which got taken over by a socialist collective of > characters insisting on equal page time Debbie: I think Jane herself might have been excessively diverted by it. Debbie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I caught that too, but lacked the confidence in either history or literature to think it really was a mistake. So, either it was an error by the author, or it was part of the overall time shift/historical differences seen throughout the series. Potioncat, member of JFffGU (Jasper Fford for Grown-Ups) and trying very hard not to bring up spoilers. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 8 16:20:28 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:20:28 -0000 Subject: Marianne In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > > Debbie: > "There was a light breeze and in front of the house a long girl dressed in a Victorian dress, bonnet and shawl. She walked slowly, gazing fondly at the --" and at this point Cordelia interrupts. > > Kathy W. > I caught that too, but lacked the confidence in either history or literature to think it really was a mistake. So, either it was an error by the author, or it was part of the overall time shift/historical differences seen throughout the series. > > Potioncat, member of JFffGU (Jasper Fford for Grown-Ups) and trying very hard not to bring up spoilers. Carolyn: Ah, you shouldn't have been so timid! I just checked the Jasper Fforde site, and I'm pleased to say they have a full complement of LOONS there as well. This point has been picked up and extensively discussed: http://www.jasperfforde.com/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=276&t=276 From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 8 17:03:09 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 17:03:09 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday May 8th Message-ID: PROGRESS We have now coded 53432 posts and rejected 29352 (54.9%) - up 0.1% on last week ! Swing that machete.. Only three people were coding, however, so we did 405 posts in total. CATEGORY CHANGES Added 1.2.11.8 MWPP to 1.2.11 Group Dynamics Changed 1.2.13.8 Alchemy to read Alchemy & Rosicrucianism (NB, if I add a sub-category here it will end up a 5th level heading, which we need to avoid) Moved 3.4.5 Sexual orientation to become 1.2.10.10 under Characterisation. Amended title of 1.2.10.9 to read Portrayal of males, females Characters' ages - please let me know what sub-heads will be required under characters and I will create them. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun May 8 17:16:14 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 13:16:14 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] UPDATE, Sunday May 8th References: Message-ID: Characters' ages - please let me know what sub-heads will be required under characters and I will create them. Kathy W. Will do. I'll start on that this week. That means the code number 1.2.12 will go away? Do I need to remove that code for each post, or will that happen when you take it away from the list? And how will that affect posts that only have that code now? Will they be lost in the shuffle? (Those that only have the one code which are not being saved under another heading, are for reject anyway.) And, for that matter, how will we code any new calculations of characters' ages if someone without that heading gets such a post? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 9 07:20:25 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 07:20:25 -0000 Subject: Characters' ages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" wrote: > > That means the code number 1.2.12 will go away? Do I need to remove that code for each post, or will that happen when you take it away from the list? And how will that affect posts that only have that code now? Will they be lost in the shuffle? (Those that only have the one code which are not being saved under another heading, are for reject anyway.) > > And, for that matter, how will we code any new calculations of characters' ages if someone without that heading gets such a post? Carolyn: The ideal is that you move all the posts currently under 1.2.12 someplace else so we can get rid of the heading, yes. So, they either go to a new sub-head called (eg) 'Hermione's age' or banished to the Weasley family category or whatever. The question is, are there a bunch of posts that really require a general 'ages' category anymore? From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon May 9 13:22:19 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 13:22:19 -0000 Subject: Characters' ages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > >That means the code number 1.2.12 will go away? Do I need to remove that code for each post, or will that happen when you take it away from the list? And how will that affect posts that only have that code now? Will they be lost in the shuffle? (Those that only have the one code which are not being saved under another heading, are for reject anyway.) > Carolyn: > The ideal is that you move all the posts currently under 1.2.12 > someplace else so we can get rid of the heading, yes. So, they > either go to a new sub-head called (eg) 'Hermione's age' or > banished to the Weasley family category or whatever. The question > is, are there a bunch of posts that really require a > general 'ages' category anymore? Jen: I like this category. Potioncat mentioned there would only be 50-60 posts left in it, some only coded to that category. I recently coded a thread on the ages of the 'gang of Slytherins' and Lucius which fit nicely in this category, but would have been overcoded if I tried to code to individual characters. If we're talking about creating sub-heads and ditching the category, could there be a sub-head for this group? We know their general ages now, but it seemed to be a big deal prior to OOTP and the website. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon May 9 14:20:35 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:20:35 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Characters' ages References: Message-ID: Jen: I like this category. Potioncat mentioned there would only be 50-60 posts left in it, some only coded to that category. I recently coded a thread on the ages of the 'gang of Slytherins' and Lucius which fit nicely in this category, but would have been overcoded if I tried to code to individual characters. If we're talking about creating sub-heads and ditching the category, could there be a sub-head for this group? We know their general ages now, but it seemed to be a big deal prior to OOTP and the website. Kathy W. Jen, you have a good point. There are several gangs that always show up together in the Age Calculation posts. After I finish the review and re-analyze the keepers, I'll see how it breaks down. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. 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BTW, if we create a new sexual orientation category in section 1, there is a subset in WW - 3.4.5 - which should probably be merged with it. Also, how would the new section relate to 2.17.4 Gay SHIPs (Ginger??) Ginger says: Sorry this is late, but I did want to get back to you, since you asked and all. It won't make a diddly bit of difference with the gay Ships category. There are 38 posts now, most of which deal with specific couples and not how/if JKR would protray them. Those that do are already crosscoded to the new category. Call it what you will, it still works. The thing that really surprises me is that there are NO Remus/Sirius posts yet! Just to add my 2 loons, I agree with the split as the 2 categories (male&femaes/gays) aren't really that closely related. One other thing to stick my nose in: Character ages. I rejected a whole thread minus one post that actually had a bit of merit. It started with "Did James go to school with Tom?" and went on from there speculating on who may have been in school with whom. Other than the post I saved, it was all babble and conjecture, half of which was either wrong or proven wrong with the release of OoP. I can see saving the category in case we ever get a bunch of posts like that where the posters know what they are talking about. As it was, the post I saved was MM and Tom. It had a nice canonical summary based on their ages given in the book and in interviews. I coded it to Calc. Ages and to MM and Tom. On the other hand, I can see the ones where their ages are calculated frequently, (ie Weasleys) having a subcode. Well, that was a waste of parchment. I also agree with the MMWP dynamic. Good category idea. Should come in handy. Back to wallow in my inbox. If I come up with anything else, I'll let you know. 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Until then, the rest of the office invented a game, "Throw the Gnome," seeing who can come closest to a target stuck on the door. Resounding bangs rattle the catalogue office daily, but the bear inside is impervious to the office antics, and continues to snore quite loudly and grunt at the interference. Most unfortunately, the open bar is locked behind the permanent sticking charm as well, sending the crew out searching for happy hour instead of dutifully coding the thousands of posts waiting in queue. Ms. Havisham has taken to grumbling behind her office door and the staff suspects she's set up her own little office happy hour or at the very least takes a shot of whiskey in her morning coffee. Her whip sits limply by her side, but still within arm's reach. Jen proceeds to her cupboard a bit guiltily, tiptoeing past Ms. Havisham's door lest she be the one to set the whip cracking. What with one thing or another and the end of school looming ahead, she's let her reviewing and coding slide into the abyss of 'will get to this later' and now the In-box looks slightly lopsided from the weight of several weeks of work. *Sigh* The door to her dark cupboard creeks open and Jen settles into her dimly lit, though comfy space. She takes a batch of codes and gets back to work....... From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue May 10 20:53:49 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 20:53:49 -0000 Subject: TBAY: Starting Fresh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: >Jen proceeds to her cupboard a bit guiltily, tiptoeing past Ms. >Havisham's door lest she be the one to set the whip cracking. >The door to her dark cupboard creeks open and Jen settles >into her dimly lit, though comfy space. She takes a batch of codes >and gets back to work....... Jen had just settled back into her routine when the door to the cupboard is abruptly jerked open. Blanching, she sees Miss Havisham very much awake, definitely the worse for wear and brandishing a pistol left over from her Wuthering Heights' anger management class. 'Right you 'orrible little cataloguer..just where do you think you've been?' 'How do you expect me to manage in here? Just with Ginger, Debbie and Potioncat??' Jen can see the three of them nodding feverishly and continuing to hammer away at their keyboards. She licks her lips nervously. 'Well, what with one thing or another ...end of school looming ahead..' her words trail away uselessly.. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER?' Miss Havisham's voice rises to a dangerous shriek. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER!! I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER'...she grabs Jen firmly by the ear and hauls her into her office. It's an awful sight. Builders have installed a shute through the outside wall and a constant flow of parchment flutters down to form heaps all over the carpet. Some are clearly howlers and are still smoking dangerously, despite being doused with copious mugs of drinking chocolate. 'What do you expect me to do about all this, huh? The main list is about to hit 130000 posts, and here we are with only 47000 coded! And I suppose you'll all want *holidays* from July 16th? Or compassionate leave..' Miss Havisham's face twisted into a brief and nasty smile before she turned and glared at the remnants of the team, now peering timidly in through the door. She grabbed a bulging file from her desk, labelled 'Pathetic Excuses' in some kind of dark red substance. 'Just look at all this rubbish' she spluttered: 'My husband's forgotten who I am..' 'my children need me..' 'I used to have a job and a career...' 'my computer doesn't work properly anymore..' 'I can't find a pen ...' 'Fluffy ate my homework..' 'I am awaiting trial for homicide..' 'I told you, sod off..' 'Bet I know who that last one's from', says Jen slyly. Miss Havisham makes a sudden movement to conceal her hand under the file she is holding. 'Wait a minute..' says Jen, eyes suddenly wide with horror. She grabs the file and turns over the old woman's hand. Barely healed and still oozing blood are etched the words 'I think, therefore I annoy'. 'It's nothing,' said Miss Havisham hastily. 'There's no one left for him to argue with at the moment, makes him a bit fractious that's all...at least he's never dull'. Wincing, she wrapped her hand tightly with a not very clean hankie. 'Anyway, I've managed to get the permanent sticking charm off his drinks cabinet door - ' This was pretty self-evident. 'Well, what are we going to do?' said Jen, seeing the need to take charge of the situation. 'How about a party..' said Potioncat enthusiastically.. 'I could sing some songs..' said Ginger 'Admin would supply free Butterbeer..' said Debbie, recklessly. 'Oh no,' said Miss Havisham softly. 'I have a much better idea. I am going to promote you all..give you management positions...put you in charge..' The smiles on their faces wavered uncertainly. This sounded like work. Clutching her tattered old clothes around her, she climbed perilously onto a desk and waved the bottle of Gordon's at them.. 'A new era.. a new dawn in this organisation's history. I'm inverting the pyramid and creating a horizontally-integrated empowered learning network of knowledge-workers that will work from the ground upwards to support our delighted, loyal end-user customers of our fully- featured new solution platform..' Miss Havisham tottered and crashed to the floor.. 'Sorry', she whispered. 'My last assignment at Jurisfiction took me into the Harvard Business Review. I haven't fully recovered yet. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed May 11 02:31:00 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 02:31:00 -0000 Subject: TBAY: Starting Fresh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was worse than Jen expected. Not only was Ms. Havisham, well, a bit on the tipsy side at mid-afternoon, she was also brandishing a *pistol*, an ominous looking weapon with a recently broken safety from the looks of it. 'Right you 'orrible little cataloguer..just where do you think you've been?' 'How do you expect me to manage in here? Just with Ginger, Debbie and Potioncat??' 'Erm, yes, well you *see*....Jen trailed off and peered at the other cataloguers, hoping one would come to her rescue, but they appeared to be avoiding her eyes and nodding feverishly. Ginger even increased her speed, a mathmatical impossibility. Jen realized she wasn't the only one who was threatened with a firearm recently. Jen licked her lips and tried to speak again, her voice raspy and uncertain, 'Well, what with one thing or another ...end of school looming ahead..' her words trail away uselessly.. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER?' Miss Havisham's voice rises to a dangerous shriek. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER!! I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER'...she grabs Jen firmly by the ear and hauls her into her office. 'Ow, ow, OOOOOOOOOW!! Jen howled uselessly, "This is a violation....office harassment...Amnesty International will be charging in here any minute, just you wait...' Jen looked up from her crouched position, noticing the state of Ms. Havisham's office for the first time. It was truly the most pitiful sight she'd seen since visiting Hagrid's hut. True there were no dead animals....well, at least Jen didn't think so, but you couldn't see much of the floor or walls given the copious amount of paper and burnt Howlers from god only knows who. Ms. Havisham had made a few enemies along the way, given her, er, *delicate* constituion. Jen woke up from the reverie, spittle hitting her full-force in the face; The delirious editor-in-chief was but a few caustic inches away. Ms. Havisham's face twisted into a brief and nasty smile before she turned and glared at the remnants of the team, now peering timidly in through the door. She grabbed a bulging file from her desk labelled 'Pathetic Excuses' in some kind of dark red substance. 'Just look at all this rubbish' she spluttered: 'My husband's forgotten who I am..' 'my children need me..' 'I used to have a job and a career...' 'my computer doesn't work properly anymore..' 'I can't find a pen ...' 'Fluffy ate my homework..' 'I am awaiting trial for homicide..' 'I told you, sod off..' Jen idly wondered who was awaiting trial for homicide, but gave up when she realized any of a number of cataloguers could fill the bill. The other excuses were certainly too namby-pamby for Ms. Havisham, who hoped for rain during children's Easter egg hunts and supposedly requested Parliment to end Christmas holidays due to lost productivity. Only the offing of Molly Weasley or slaving away on an adddendum to Magic Dishwasher would be a sufficient reason to put aside coding and reviewing for even one lousy day. 'Wait a minute..' says Jen, eyes suddenly wide with horror. She grabs the file and turns over the old woman's hand. Barely healed and still oozing blood are etched the words 'I think, therefore I annoy'.'It's nothing,' said Miss Havisham hastily. 'There's no one left for him to argue with at the moment, makes him a bit fractious that's all...at least he's never dull'. The oozing blood gave Jen the ballast she needed at the moment. 'Well, what are we going to do?' said Jen, seeing the need to take charge of the situation. 'OK, OK, I'm thinking we just need a goal, that's all!! That's what we do here in America when production lags. Mission statements! Philosophies! Say we decide to launch this thing when we get up to the posts for OOTP? We'll have something to shoot for. A DEADLINE, that's what we need. Coders will come out of the closet, taking batches of coding right and left to meet our productivity expectations! Maybe, just maybe, You-Know-Who' Jen glances up at the top of the stairs, 'Maybe he'll come back. In a good way, I mean.' Jen said softly, noticing Ms. Havisham wince from the movement of her blood- stained hand. Ms. Havisham cackled at the innocent before her. 'Oh no,' said Miss Havisham softly. 'I have a much better idea. I am going to promote you all..give you management positions...put you in charge...'A new era.. a new dawn in this organisation's history. I'm inverting the pyramid and creating a horizontally-integrated empowered learning network of knowledge-workers that will work from the ground upwards to support our delighted, loyal end-user customers of our fully-featured new solution platform..' Jen stared in fascination as managment gobbledygook streamed from Carolyn Havisham's mouth. 'Does that mean more work?' Jen wondered aloud before catching herself. Carolyn turned to stare at her with ferocious eyes and a quivering mouth. 'And just what in the *hell* are you doing here wasting my time? Why aren't you coding, reviewing! GET TO YOUR CUPBOARD!!! With that, Jen scampered back into her cupboard, slammed the door, and hoped Ms. Havisham had enough Gordon's for a proper blackout before she remembered she'd hit her stride and then some. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed May 11 11:57:38 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 04:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: TBAY: Starting Fresh In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050511115738.47337.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger typed away franticly, er, frantically, er, with great haste. Her mind was in a blur. Miss Havisham was not one to be messed with, she was sure of that. Her psychiatrist, parole officer, pastor, doctor and the lady who works the drive-up window at Taco John's all agreed that this was the perfect setting for Ginger. Duty. Responsibility. Contributing member of society. Good things all. But now, as Miss Havisham bore down (verbally) on sweet little Jen, Ginger was getting worried. 'Right you 'orrible little cataloguer..just where do you think you've been?' 'How do you expect me to manage in here? Just with Ginger, Debbie and Potioncat??' Miss asked loudly. "Oh, lovely," thought Ginger. "I wondered when I would be dragged into this." Jen can see the three of them nodding feverishly and continuing to hammer away at their keyboards. She licks her lips nervously. 'Well, what with one thing or another ...end of school looming ahead..' her words trail away uselessly.. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER?' Miss Havisham's voice rises to a dangerous shriek. 'ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER!! I'LL GIVE YOU ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER'...she grabs Jen firmly by the ear and hauls her into her office. Ginger sang a filk to drown out the celestial musings of Miss Havisham. But curiosity got the better of her. Miss Havisham's face twisted into a brief and nasty smile before she turned and glared at the remnants of the team, now peering timidly in through the door. She grabbed a bulging file from her desk, labelled 'Pathetic Excuses' in some kind of dark red substance. 'Just look at all this rubbish' she spluttered: 'My husband's forgotten who I am..' 'my children need me..' 'I used to have a job and a career...' 'my computer doesn't work properly anymore..' 'I can't find a pen ...' 'Fluffy ate my homework..' 'I am awaiting trial for homicide..' 'I told you, sod off..' "Hold it just one cotton-picking minute!" Ginger interjected. "That's an old one. I was cleared of all charges!" Her voice dropped to a murmur. "Well, not exactly cleared, but you know, temporary insanity does mitigate the circumstances...." Ginger continued to mutter to herself, oblivious to her surroundings. 'Well, what are we going to do?' said Jen, seeing the need to take charge of the situation. 'How about a party..' said Potioncat enthusiastically.. 'I could sing some songs..' said Ginger 'Admin would supply free Butterbeer..' said Debbie, recklessly. 'Oh no,' said Miss Havisham softly. 'I have a much better idea. I am going to promote you all..give you management positions...put you in charge..' The smiles on their faces wavered uncertainly. This sounded like work. Clutching her tattered old clothes around her, she climbed perilously onto a desk and waved the bottle of Gordon's at them.. 'A new era.. a new dawn in this organisation's history. I'm inverting the pyramid and creating a horizontally-integrated empowered learning network of knowledge-workers that will work from the ground upwards to support our delighted, loyal end-user customers of our fully- featured new solution platform..' Miss Havisham tottered and crashed to the floor.. 'Sorry', she whispered. 'My last assignment at Jurisfiction took me into the Harvard Business Review. I haven't fully recovered yet. Ginger stared, dumbstruck. Miss was out cold, thank goodness. Turning to the others, she saw that dumb was manyfisted. "Does this mean that we'll have to, well, you know," she grimmaced. "Think? I mean, I never signed up to do thinking. Wasn't in my contract. I thought that was what Miss was for. My shrink isn't going to like this one bit. We better placate her. Or have her stuffed and mounted...nah, that's what got me in trouble last time. Better skip that." Miss Havisham stirred. "Oh, Miss" said Ginger, "Now that you're in a better mood than I've seen you in for a while, I was wondering if I could have the weekend off. Yes, again. My sisters are coming to clean my house and paper my bath and lay linoleum. I promise I'll get right over to the coding site and do another hundred posts right now, unless it won't let me on, in which case, I'll do it later. It likes to do that to me. Old phone lines. Bad server stuff. I promise I'll make it up to you next weekend. The whole weekend, just for you. Doesn't that sound nice?" Miss started to sit up. "Quick!" gasped Ginger, "More whiskey!" --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed May 11 17:13:32 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 17:13:32 -0000 Subject: Ages and New beginning Message-ID: "More whisky?" Potioncat just shook her head. That's the last thing Miss Havisham needed. What she needed was a report, an idea...numbers to change in the catalogue, new headings to enter! Potioncat went to work re-reviewing, but saw Miss begin to stir. Not entirely finished, but not wanting to waste the moment, Potioncat stood up, grabbed a handful of confetti (from her well stocked party supply drawer) and tossed the colorful bits of paper into the air. "Wheee!" She certainly had everyone's attention. "Yes, well, as for calculating Characters' Ages... Hardly any post about someone's age is only about one character. If we slip "calculating ages" under a character's name, many of these posts would need multiple codes. If we kept the 1.2.12 as the main code, we could create new codes under it for the usual suspects. Then rather than having a code for Lily Potter's age, we could have a code for the Marauders' Generation (Marauders, Snape, Lily, Barty Crouch,Jr., Regulus, Florence, Bertha, Dursleys...did I miss anyone?) And any age post about any of them would go there. We would not need to code to character name, unless the post also concerned some other aspect of the character. Hermione has about 16 posts; some refer to the other current students as well. Although most are about that incredibly stupid debate on whether she's older or younger than Harry....(Oops, did I say that out loud?) Neville also has a couple of posts about his birth year. Cedric and Angelina come up within Hermione's posts. I think a heading to cover all students would more than meet that need. It would also keep from multi-coding posts. Several posts compare DD&MMc, DD&Riddle, MMc&Riddle&Hagrid, Mr.&Mrs. Weasley with Hagrid or with Lucius. The Weasleys are tough because a great deal of them fall under Weasley age gaps but some fall into the Hagrid/Lucius calculations. We have scattered posts for Flamel and Hooch, Fudge, that sort of thing. So, here is my recommendation: 1.2.12 Calculating Characters' Ages no posts go here. 1.2.12.1 Weasley ages (to include all Weasleys) renamed from Weasley Age Gap it would have more than 40 posts. 1.2.12.2 Students' Ages (to include those characters who are students during Harry's time, except for Weasleys. This would include Viktor, Flint, etc...should they come up. More than 20. There are about 20 or so posts left. We could make it 1.2.12.3 Adults' Ages. Or there could be one for the Marauder Generation and one for older wizards. At the moment, I vote for one heading only. This leaves the only tricky one that sometimes Molly and Arhtur fit in adults and sometimes in Weasley. My feeling is, depending on the post it might go either way but not to both. When someone does the next big review, if the numbers have grown too cumbersome, codes can be reworked.I am assuming here, that the only use of 1.2.12 was ages and I was sort of guessing at the numbers. Weasley age gap was 1.2.12.1, not 1.2.11 wasn't it? If I go back to check now, this page will vanish. So, what do you think? Potioncat looked around. She didn't need magic to know what everyone was thinking. Everyone else was glad Miss Havisham wasn't looking at them. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed May 11 19:48:18 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:48:18 -0000 Subject: Ages and New beginning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat: > So, here is my recommendation: > 1.2.12 Calculating Characters' Ages no posts go here. > 1.2.12.1 Weasley ages (to include all Weasleys) renamed from Weasley > Age Gap it would have more than 40 posts. > 1.2.12.2 Students' Ages (to include those characters who are students > during Harry's time, except for Weasleys. This would include Viktor, > Flint, etc...should they come up. More than 20. > > There are about 20 or so posts left. We could make it 1.2.12.3 > Adults' Ages. Jen: I like it, and agree with having one Adult category. It's not like people will have to wade through thousands of posts to read about the Marauders or something. And more work for Miss is definitely what she needs, it will make her feel *useful*. ;) Keep her off the Ogden's or Gordon's or whatever that brand was. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu May 12 11:54:48 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:54:48 -0000 Subject: New T-Bay (was Re: Ages and New beginning) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > And more work for Miss is definitely what she needs, it will make her > feel *useful*. ;) Keep her off the Ogden's or Gordon's or whatever > that brand was. Jen agreed with Potioncat as they hurried back to their desks and tried to look productive. In the lull between finishing the reveiw and taking action on the posts, Potioncat looked out the window at Theory Bay. She recognised a woman on the dock holding up a life vest and talking to a small group of chattering people. "Hey, Jen," Potioncat called out, "Do you have anything to do with that activity on the Bay?" Potioncat: (T-Bay Alert! New T-Bay thread on main list.) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri May 13 23:17:30 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:17:30 -0000 Subject: TBAY: The morning several days after the night before Message-ID: Miss Havisham woke up in her office several days later. Touchingly, she found she'd been laid on a deep pile of old posts, and more had been spread on top like a duvet. Really, it was very warm and comfortable... she tried to remember what had happened. Hazily, she thought Jen had said: 'OK, OK, I'm thinking we just need a goal, that's all!! That's what we do here in America when production lags. Mission statements! Philosophies! Say we decide to launch this thing when we get up to the posts for OOTP? We'll have something to shoot for. A DEADLINE, that's what we need. Coders will come out of the closet, taking batches of coding right and left to meet our productivity expectations! ' This was remarkable. The girl was showing drive..initiative..a grasp of strategic detail..UNLIKE SOME. It was all coming back to her now: 'Ginger stared, dumbstruck. Miss was out cold, thank goodness. Turning to the others, she saw that dumb was manyfisted. "Does this mean that we'll have to, well, you know," she grimmaced. "Think? I mean, I never signed up to do thinking. Wasn't in my contract. I thought that was what Miss was for. My shrink isn't going to like this one bit. We better placate her. Or have her stuffed and mounted...nah, that's what got me in trouble last time. Better skip that." Miss Havisham pursed her lips. Stuffed and mounted, eh. That would be noted down in the little book, oh yes. Potioncat, after her naughty nautical experiences as a nurse was less fazed by seeing the captain out cold on the deck: "More whisky?" Potioncat just shook her head. That's the last thing Miss Havisham needed. What she needed was a report, an idea...numbers to change in the catalogue, new headings to enter! ....more work for Miss is definitely what she needs, it will make her feel *useful*. ;) Keep her off the Ogden's or Gordon's or whatever that brand was.' Miss Havisham heaved herself to her feet and made herself some strong coffee. She was pleased to see her three vile cats industriously shredding all the stupidest new posts as they slid down the shute. Amazingly, given they were only animals, they could pick out braindead posters with unerring accuracy. She opened them a tin of finest tuna as a reward (checking first it was caught with a rod, because of the dolphins). Clearly Something Would Have To Be Done. After thinking for a bit, she sent a rocket-propelled owl deep into the Microsoft caves, wherein dwelled Dumbledad. She extracted a half-promise that he would try to get on with the UI on Sunday... Then she investigated Jen's idea: taking us up to OOP would mean up to post 61393. It's certainly a target worth aiming for...but how to incentivise the cataloguers? That's 14193 posts to go, and there's nine weeks before HBP is published - that's approx 1500 posts per week. Perfectly do-able - we've averaged about 2000 before now. Thoughtfully, Miss Havisham chalked the numbers up on the magical, no- mess office display board and placed it right in front of the door as they walked in, so no-one could fail to see it. She fell into a reverie, as researching the OOP start-date had led her into finding her own first post (75162), and then a later one, detailing just what she thought of OOP (76396). Not as bad as her vivid imagination had painted. And little gems here and there, such as Silmariel replying in delight to Kneasy's elaborate plan to nuke the WW (76254), oh, and her all-time favourite post described the nature of HPfGU debates (77115). Ah... Her reminiscences were interrupted by a glance at her in-tray... Potioncat appeared to have changed her mind again: Hardly any post about someone's age is only about one character. If we slip "calculating ages" under a character's name, many of these posts would need multiple codes. So, here is my recommendation: 1.2.12 Calculating Characters' Ages no posts go here. 1.2.12.1 Weasley ages (to include all Weasleys) renamed from Weasley Age Gap it would have more than 40 posts. 1.2.12.2 Students' Ages (to include those characters who are students during Harry's time, except for Weasleys. This would include Viktor, Flint, etc...should they come up. More than 20. There are about 20 or so posts left. We could make it 1.2.12.3 Adults' Ages. Or there could be one for the Marauder Generation and one for older wizards. At the moment, I vote for one heading only. This leaves the only tricky one that sometimes Molly and Arhtur fit in adults and sometimes in Weasley. My feeling is, depending on the post it might go either way but not to both. Jen: I like it, and agree with having one Adult category. It's not like people will have to wade through thousands of posts to read about the Marauders or something. Miss Havisham scrawled on the bottom: Yes, I don't mind this alternative solution - but only second-level headings automatically prevent you from coding to them. If the heading was X.X.X, it would always be possible to code something to it. I would not want to make this topic a second-level head, so I think you should only have the sub-heads you have devised - but where should they go?? Under character development maybe? Wearily, she stomped out of the office, pausing to put a bar of Honeydukes finest on everyone's desk, stepped through the prose portal and resumed battle with RL.... Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat May 14 11:34:10 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:34:10 -0000 Subject: TBAY: The morning several days after the night before In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Potioncat wandered into the catalogue office, a turban wrapped around her head. She noticed at once that there was a memo on her desk and Miss Havisham was gone. > Yes, I don't mind this alternative solution - but only second-level > headings automatically prevent you from coding to them. If the > heading was X.X.X, it would always be possible to code something to > it. I would not want to make this topic a second-level head, so I > think you should only have the sub-heads you have devised - but where > should they go?? Under character development maybe? "Does she really think I have a clue about numbers and levels? One two and more than two, that's how I count...OK, words, I can manage...Think, Think, Think..." Potioncat began to pace, unwinding the turban as she did. The different headings for Calculating Characters' Ages could go under Character Development or under Group Dynamics. I sort of like Group Dynamics better, but in the long run, it doesn't really matter. Once I know which code numbers have been assigned, I'll go through and change them. Kathy W From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 15 17:46:22 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:46:22 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday May 15th Message-ID: PROGRESS We have now coded 53917 posts and rejected 29538 of them (54.7%). With three of us coding, we did 485 posts this week. Jen - could you look at the reject status of 45056 & 47368 ? Carolyn From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon May 16 13:11:29 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:11:29 -0000 Subject: Multiple Posts Message-ID: I'm doing my GOF review and wondering again about the multiple posts, most often written by Catlady. The truth is, many of the individual sections in each post would *not* be coded in a stand-alone post. The information is too brief, or refers to past discussions or would simply be coded to FAQ/Adds nothing new. I'm running across many of these posts in chapter discussions, and have uncoded a few entirely and rejected them because there's just nothing new in each individual section, even if the post is massive. Is this another area where we need to partition the posts in a separate area like Hans in Rosicrucian? I know that could come across as discriminatory to Catlady specifically, but it also doesn't seem fair when some of these posts get more than their due, alongside people who take one issue and write a lengthy analysis. I'm willing to take on a review of the Multiple Posts section where some of the posts are left coded to various topics so Catlady's contribution to the list can be heard and recognized. But ones that really don't add much new, or there's only one new topic in a list of FAQ's, would stay coded only to the Multiple posts section. What do you guys think? Jen "Catalogue Launch June 2005--We Can Do It!!!" Reese From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon May 16 13:23:29 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 13:23:29 -0000 Subject: Multiple Posts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen wrote: > The truth is, many of the individual sections in each post would > *not* be coded in a stand-alone post. The information is too brief, > or refers to past discussions or would simply be coded to FAQ/Adds > nothing new. Kathy W. I've noticed the same thing, particularly while reviewing rather than coding. I'm not sure if I've ever kept a multiple post when I worked through the review of a heading. I'm coding again, and it'll be interesting to see if I code any now. I guess that's a yes vote. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 16 17:30:30 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:30:30 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville Message-ID: How dull can you get? Apart from hinting that Frank & Alice were too cowardly to die for Neville (who can blame them?) and that there is nothing special about Harry after all apart from a unique ability to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, this is a yawnsville answer to end all yawnsville answers. Carolyn increasingly unsure if she can be bothered to read HBP From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon May 16 18:11:23 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:11:23 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Miss Havisham comes out from her office and announces: How dull can you get? Potioncat looks up in surprise. Her turban must wrapped too tight. Miss Havisham goes on: > > Apart from hinting that Frank & Alice were too cowardly to die for > Neville (who can blame them?) and that there is nothing special about > Harry after all apart from a unique ability to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, this is a yawnsville answer to end all yawnsville > answers. > > Carolyn > increasingly unsure if she can be bothered to read HBP Potioncat looks around, but she's not sure what anyone else is thinking. She's actually wondering if Miss Havisham has been possessed by someone who shall remain coughLLcough nameless. As no one else is speaking, Potioncat begins: "Well, over at the main list, Nora is doing a dance. She's put two and two together and taken shots at the LV/Harry Possession Theory." Potioncat suddenly sits down in shock. "Jen," she whispers, glancing toward the stairs, "Who came up with the possession theory in the first place?" Kathy W who actually coded a little over 30 posts today...with a sick child at home...not at all implying that having a sick child should interfere in anyway with catalogue duties...No, no of course not... From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue May 17 02:13:48 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 02:13:48 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > "Well, over at the main list, Nora is doing a dance. She's put two > and two together and taken shots at the LV/Harry Possession Theory." > > Potioncat suddenly sits down in shock. "Jen," she whispers, glancing > toward the stairs, "Who came up with the possession theory in the > first place?" "Shhhhhh." Jen warned, looking up the stairs. To their surprise they heard chuckling and computer keys clicking, the first in weeks. "He doesn't buy it, that's the sound of a defense in progress!" Jen whispered with excitement. "I think Nora's jig may be a bit premature!" "AHA" roared the codger, undoubtedly rubbing his hands together with glee at the prospect of juicy new canon to shape in his own image. > Kathy W who actually coded a little over 30 posts today...with a sick > child at home...not at all implying that having a sick child should > interfere in anyway with catalogue duties...No, no of course not... "There will be none of that." Miss Havisham said crisply. "I've posted a list a inexcusable excuses on my door, and sick children are the number one offense. You chose to have those miscreants and germ carriers after all. I expect 200 extra posts on my desk by the....." An odd look passed over Miss Havisham's face and she quickly turned and rushed into her office, slamming the door. "What the....?" Potioncat muttered, stunned her punishment was cut off so abruptly. Jen snorted, "She can't find her desk anymore." Jen, who continues to be amazed by how JKR can write so very much and yet say so very little. ;) From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue May 17 11:41:39 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:41:39 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" wrote: > > "AHA" roared the codger, undoubtedly rubbing his hands together with glee at the prospect of juicy new canon to shape in his own image. Miss Havisham smiled too (very briefly), in the act of pinning up cataloguing decree #298405793457023750237520 on the subject of bringing children into the world, never mind the office, and grimly hoped Nora would be foolish enough to reply. Nothing like a good rumpus.....why only last night she had taken solace in the archives and come across the epic bar room fight where Cindy had kicked over the MD table, spraying the walls with ketchup, and whilst she did battle with Pip and Grey Wolf, Eloise et al had mounted a takeover bid for the Big Bang destroyer. Stirring stuff... much better than the real thing really. Sighing, she paused mid-rant, something was not right.. > An odd look passed over Miss Havisham's face and she quickly turned > and rushed into her office, slamming the door. > > "What the....?" Potioncat muttered, stunned her punishment was cut off so abruptly. > > Jen snorted, "She can't find her desk anymore." > Taking her newly-purchased pitchfork, Miss Havisham grimly started to spear the new crop of explanations about Neville and Harry which had flooded in overnight. Many of them had bunches of flowers attached to them, photographs and soggy teddies, unpleasantly reminiscent of the late Princess of Wales' timely departure. The fluffies were clearly greatly heartened by JKR's latest. It was not only going to be about sacrificial mothers' love, but Dad's could join in too! (JKR says either Alice or Frank could have saved Neville). How touching. So AK is not unblockable after all.. and is this a life- long effect? Does it still work if a person in their 70s or 80s throws themselves in front of their (by now) grown-up child? You might have thought that people would have been reminded of this as a means of survival during VW1. People like Molly, for instance, kind of thing she'd have relished doing, I'd have thought, although of course with seven kids you do have the difficulty of knowing which one to throw yourself in front of when the time came. Miss Havisham paused, and considered something she had overheard as she came through the office: > Jen, who continues to be amazed by how JKR can write so very much and yet say so very little. ;) Ah, Jen..you are usually much more perceptive than this. Perhaps if you had not currently got yourself covered in dragons' blood ointment and entangled in a TURBAN you would have noted: >>In choosing which boy to murder, he [Voldemort] was also (without realising it) choosing which boy to anoint as the Chosen One - >> >> he [Dumbledore] believes Voldemort did indeed choose the boy most likely to be able to topple him, for Harry's survival has not depended wholly or even mainly upon his scar.>> >>Neville, the boy who was so nearly King?>> Remember the words from the broken prophecy orbs: '...at the solstice will come a new...' '..and none will come after..' This little tidbit appears to be yet more confirmation that we appear to be going down the well-trodden route of a prophecied saviour, who, through no fault of his own, gets the crown bunged on his head and has to soldier and do his best when it happens to him, optionally dying in the process. Yawn. Anyone read King Arthur, Narnia, LOTR, derivatives like the Belgarion series...The Once and Future King.. Can she really be doing yet another re-telling of the myth?? How dull, dull, dull, dull. The only bright spot might be that Dumbledore has indeed twisted a whole lot of events to put Harry in the frame, and that Harry has the strength of mind to tell him to go to hell for his trouble. Is this likely? Nope. Carolyn From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Tue May 17 13:57:29 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:57:29 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Can she really be doing yet another re-telling of the myth?? How > dull, dull, dull, dull. > > The only bright spot might be that Dumbledore has indeed twisted a > whole lot of events to put Harry in the frame, and that Harry has > the strength of mind to tell him to go to hell for his trouble. Is > this likely? Nope. > > Carolyn Naive optimism mode on. Not necessarily. We might just be looking for the devious twists in the wrong places, she might have covered her tracks better than we thought. There really might be a so-called central mystery that nobody has guessed, complete with bangs and betrayals and blood and bodies and erm other appropriate words beginning with B. Naive optimism mode off. *sigh*. At least Shakespeare never lets you down (if you ignore Cymbeline and a couple of others). Dot Drowning sorrows in theatre tickets. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Tue May 17 18:30:04 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:30:04 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 May 2005, at 03:13, Jen Reese wrote: > >? "Well, over at the main list, Nora is doing a dance. She's put two > > and two together and taken shots at the LV/Harry Possession Theory." > > > > Potioncat suddenly sits down in shock. "Jen," she whispers, glancing > > toward the stairs, "Who came up with the possession theory in the > > first place?" > > "Shhhhhh." Jen warned, looking up the stairs. To their surprise they > heard chuckling and computer keys clicking, the first in weeks. "He > doesn't buy it, that's the sound of a defense in progress!" Jen > whispered with excitement. "I think Nora's jig may be a bit > premature!" > > "AHA" roared the codger, undoubtedly rubbing his hands together with > glee at the prospect of juicy new canon to shape in his own image. > "At last! A post that demands a response." Times had been hard lately, what with the toc board blathering on about tedious stuff like popping sprogs into an unsuspecting world. Having served his time lurking in the more civilised sections of a Maternity Hospital, Kneasy was well aware that neonates were a pain in the arse - or somewhere geographically adjacent - for their mothers, and metaphorically so for everybody else. Boring. The wishful thinking of musicology students was something else entirely. Still, his recovery from his recent privations was not yet complete; his litotes needed a polish, the irony needed to be whetted - and that metaphor still looked a bit floppy. A quick kill was not a certainty. Could the fluffy little bunny be lured a bit closer......? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1774 bytes Desc: not available URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue May 17 19:49:59 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050517194959.41272.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger, sore and stiff from a weekend of painting, wallpapering, cleaning and other unpleasant tasks, (which had nice results) re-enters the office. True to her word, she intends to devote the entire weekend to this noble cause. But wait: A diversion. JKR answered her FAQ. As Ginger settles in her chair she hears Carolyn remark: How dull can you get? Apart from hinting that Frank & Alice were too cowardly to die for Neville (who can blame them?) and that there is nothing special about Harry after all apart from a unique ability to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, this is a yawnsville answer to end all yawnsville answers. Ginger ponders this. Then speaks: Um, you know, there were really only 3 options. 1) It was Harry all along and Neville was just a roly-poly red herring. 2) It could have been either, and it was LV's bad luck that he marked Harry. 3) It could have been another child of whom we know nothing at all.) I would have been disappointed in #3, unless there were clues that we totally missed over which we could now slap our foreheads in self-disgust. I would have considered #1 a waste of pagetime. Why go to all the trouble to have a second option and develop him as a character if it was all for nothing? I would also have been disappointed in the whole "chosen from before birth" thing. Harry has been protrayed as a normal kid. For him to have had some great destiny and hidden powers (aside from being a wizard to begin with) where only he could defeat LV would be unsatifactory in my book. Kind of "oh, here's a wizard no one can defeat, so we'll have someone extra special born with some sort of power no one else has in order to defeat him." That would be the yawner. At least this way, LV had a sporting chance. Had he not tried to kill a baby, neither would have been marked, and he would have been free to persue evil at will. But he blew it himself. Ha Ha. That'll teach you to go around killing babies, you big bully. Much more satisfactory than the scripted deux et machina (sp) of having one kid just happening to be born with the powers to defeat him at the time that he just happened to be in power. What are the odds of that? No, better that he is just born a normal kid, and then marked by evil. I also like the whole circular thinking of the prophesy. No prophesy, no attempted killing. No attempted killing, no marking. No marking, no powers. No powers, no prophesy. Self-fulfilling fate rather than an author having to stick in a kid with the power to win so the series can reach a conclusion. Ginger, off to read her assigned posts. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue May 17 20:50:27 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:50:27 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kneasy: > "At last! A post that demands a response." > Times had been hard lately, what with the toc board blathering on about > tedious stuff like popping sprogs into an unsuspecting world. Having > served his time lurking in the more civilised sections of a Maternity > Hospital, Kneasy was well aware that neonates were a pain in the arse - > or somewhere geographically adjacent - for their mothers, and > metaphorically so for everybody else. Boring. The wishful thinking of > musicology students was something else entirely. > > Still, his recovery from his recent privations was not yet complete; > his litotes needed a polish, the irony needed to be whetted - and that > metaphor still looked a bit floppy. A quick kill was not a certainty. > Could the fluffy little bunny be lured a bit closer......? Jen: OK...I'm *just* about finished translating this and....uh-oh, the musicology student is in for it. ;) "Hey, Mr. Kneasy's back! And Dung blew through here like a breath of fresh air, too! Now if we can just lure back The-One-Who-Has-Left-Us- Forever, dear Sean, and maybe, just maybe Anne will have more time when her progeny are out for the summer? Then Kelly will return from far, far away and....Potioncat, I'm thinking it's time for that party now! You have the cake, right? And Ginger will supply vocal stylings for our listening pleasure. Debbie is going to swipe butterbeer from the stock at MEG....." Jen whistled to herself, happy to the see the crew re-assembling, certain they were all back to code theories with lightning speed! Reject one-liners and 'me toos' with the stroke of a key! Offer up new category requests with little thought for the sanity of the editor-in-chief! "Well, maybe not." Jen thought, mentally striking off the last one. Miss Havisham had enough to do with her pitchfork at the moment. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue May 17 21:49:43 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:49:43 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: <20050517194959.41272.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Ginger wrote: > I would also have been disappointed in the whole "chosen from before birth" thing. Harry has been protrayed as a normal kid. For him to have had some great destiny and hidden powers (aside from being a wizard to begin with) where only he could defeat LV would be unsatifactory in my book. Kind of "oh, here's a wizard no one can defeat, so we'll have someone extra special born with some sort of power no one else has in order to defeat him." That would be the yawner. > > At least this way, LV had a sporting chance. Had he not tried to kill a baby, neither would have been marked, and he would have been free to persue evil at will. But he blew it himself. Ha Ha. > Well, this isn't what she is saying exactly, is it? She says that [Dumbledore thinks that] Neville would not have had the right qualities to defeat Voldemort, although Neville would have been protected from the AK in the same way as Harry, had his parents died for him as Lily did. It seems Dumbledore at least has been sure for a very long time that Harry is the one to defeat Voldemort and no one else will do. What is not clear is whether this is because of something innate about him, or whether he becomes weapon!Harry only if Voldemort is induced to attack him. Things become pleasantly murkier if you consider the possibility, which many of us believe, that DD made damn sure Voldie went for Harry first by manipulating the tensions between MWPP to create a situation where the SK betrayal occurred, leading ultimately to the dodgy re-birth potion. What price V's 'choice' then? Leaving aside the obvious point that he really shouldn't go round killing babies, it now appears that if he had gone and tried to kill Neville first, he might still have been vapourised, but not in the process created the child that was to be his nemesis. So, we end up back at the dull answer, that Harry's the destined one, either because of his yet-to-be-explained genealogy, or powers that have always been destined to be dumped on him, or a combination of both. Not what I'd call original plotting I'm afraid. Carolyn From elfundeb at comcast.net Wed May 18 00:52:27 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 00:52:27 -0000 Subject: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie peers up from her keyboard, where she has been juggling far too many tasks, and plucks a ball labeled "theorising" out of the air with one hand, while five other balls drop neatly into the canvas bag by her side, just in time to hear Miss Havisham remark: "Well, this isn't what she is saying exactly, is it? She says that [Dumbledore thinks that] Neville would not have had the right qualities to defeat Voldemort, although Neville would have been protected from the AK in the same way as Harry, had his parents died for him as Lily did." "Dumbledore isn't always right, though, is he? Isn't that the point he makes in hideously melodramatic fashion in ch. 37, 'The Lost Prophecy'? He didn't think Harry could handle it, either." Debbie returns to her laptop for a moment, typing furiously, and after a long pause, the printer begins to churn out a long parchment. Debbie picks it up and hands it to Miss Havisham. It is a list of the 171 posts catalogued to 3.8.4.1 Memory Charms. "I think there are some clues here to why Dumbledore doesn't think Neville has what it takes. See, JKR always tries to close doors when she speaks, but in this case I think she's cleared the cobwebs from a very large window." While Miss Havisham is pondering this, Debbie glances over to the next carrel, where Jen is arranging a party. "Potioncat, I'm thinking it's time for that party now! You have the cake, right? And Ginger will supply vocal stylings for our listening pleasure. Debbie is going to swipe butterbeer from the stock at MEG....." "Oh, yes! MEG has agreed to provide all the butterbeer we could want, as long as we keep sending progress reports." Debbie pulls a couple of six-packs out of her bag. "And for those with discriminating tastes, I cleared the remaining stock of single-malt whiskey from the old abandoned Fourth Man Hovercraft." Debbie tosses the bagful of balls into the air again, and this time one marked "coding" falls into her hand, along with this message from Jen about Catlady's posts: "The truth is, many of the individual sections in each post would *not* be coded in a stand-alone post. The information is too brief, or refers to past discussions or would simply be coded to FAQ/Adds nothing new." The pearls *are* hard to find among the mere agreement and fanfic speculation. I find they average one good thought ever other post or so; the rest is all repetition. I assume that some of the early posts were saved, so I wouldn't feel too guilty about tossing most of the rest. Debbie who acknowledges an obsession about Memory Charms but refuses to enter a 12-step program until after HBP From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed May 18 13:58:39 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 06:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: JKR's FAQ answer about Neville In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050518135839.33109.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C: What price V's 'choice' then? Leaving aside the obvious point that he really shouldn't go round killing babies, it now appears that if he had gone and tried to kill Neville first, he might still have been vapourised, but not in the process created the child that was to be his nemesis. So, we end up back at the dull answer, that Harry's the destined one, either because of his yet-to-be-explained genealogy, or powers that have always been destined to be dumped on him, or a combination of both. Not what I'd call original plotting I'm afraid. G: Quite so. Painted herself into a corner by including the whole prophecy thing. I really can't think of an original option to get out of that one. Of course, plot has always been my weakness. I can develop lovely characters, but I can't figure out anything for them to do. Remind me if I ever come up with an original answer to the dilema to write a book. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Sybil was only joking when she gave the prophecy and LV not being able to kill Harry was a total fluke? Like he coughed during the incantation or something like that and could have just as well ended up with a buffalo on his chest? Now that would be original, but I have no idea how she'd carry it off. Until then, I'll just read what she writes. Not much else I can do until 2 months from now when we're all wailing for book 7. Cheers, Ginger --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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I have now realized that this is the woman who had us thinking there were only 2 options for Mrs Figg: either she was a Muggle or a witch. We know how that turned out. Hope springs eternal. Ginger From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu May 19 02:01:52 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 02:01:52 -0000 Subject: Fudge and Curse scars/JKR's FAQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > I ran into a thread about the point in GoF where Fudge tells > Dumbledore "I've (never) heard of a curse scar acting as an alarm > bell." > > The "never" was in some editions, but not others. I was 99% sure that > it ended up being an editing error, and was corrected, so I rejected > the whole thread. No one really said anything earthshattering anyway. > > I just wanted to double check that it was actually a mistake and not > something that should have been coded. > > For my peace of mind. Jen: I think I coded part of that thread and dumped them all in 'differences between editions' but I can reject them if it was just an editing error. Or do we want to keep a few for posterity, before everyone knew it was an error? Just let me know what you think, Ginger, for my peace of mind. ;) And about Multiple posts, so far people seem to think it's OK for me to review that section and keep some of Catlady's (and others) better posts coded like everyone else's, and leave the rest only coded to the Multiple Post category or reject them if needed. Not that I'm rushing to do it at the moment, as I'm in the middle of finishing GOF, but you know, ONE day I'll get there if I have the group stamp of approval. So speak now..... Jen, amazingly uninterested in JKR's update about the prophecy as she finds the website to be something akin to unrequited love. Unsatisfying. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu May 19 11:38:52 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 04:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Fudge and Curse scars/JKR's FAQ In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050519113852.76310.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jen: I think I coded part of that thread and dumped them all in 'differences between editions' but I can reject them if it was just an editing error. Or do we want to keep a few for posterity, before everyone knew it was an error? Just let me know what you think, Ginger, for my peace of mind. ;) Ginger: Hey, I was the one writing for advise! Actually, I rejected the lot as it was mostly a back and forth "mine says this" type of thing. There were a copuple who put up a good arguement for "never heard" but I thought it was a moot point as people seemed to agree that "never" was what JKR meant. Jen: And about Multiple posts, so far people seem to think it's OK for me to review that section and keep some of Catlady's (and others) better posts coded like everyone else's, and leave the rest only coded to the Multiple Post category or reject them if needed. Not that I'm rushing to do it at the moment, as I'm in the middle of finishing GOF, but you know, ONE day I'll get there if I have the group stamp of approval. So speak now..... Ginger: I code multiples as I would if each section was a seperate post. If I only code one part, then I only code one. If I code more, then so be it. I hit "multiple post" regardless. The only time I don't is if there is nothing new in any section and I am rejecting the whole thing. Which happens. Depending on the topics. Ginger, looking forward to devoting an entire weekend (minus sleep time) to this project. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. 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Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu May 19 20:32:42 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:32:42 -0000 Subject: Site down?/Now fine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" > wrote: > > I can't get into the catalogue to code. > > Is the site down? > > > > Kathy W > > Apparently so - I've emailed Paul. Hopefully he'll pick the message up > soon. > > Carolyn ...half an hour later. Seems ok now. From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri May 20 14:07:31 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 14:07:31 -0000 Subject: Ages and Question Message-ID: Potioncat leaned back from her coding and stretched. All around the room were posters, banners, streamers, pencils, notepads, plastic cups, and countless other items promoting the phrase: "Catalogue Launch June 2005--We Can Do It!!! She checked on the cake, sitting securely in the Antique Tupperwear Cake Carrier, stood and crossed to Jen's cabinet. She knocked politely and waited. Jen opened the door, "Miss Jen," Potioncat started. "Miss Jen?" "Well, you're management, now. Shouldn't I call you Miss? I wouldn't want to presume that past working relationships would continue now that you've been promoted. Or, as you're First Mate on a vessal, should I call you Sir?" "I'm doing the same work as everyone else over long periods of time, what makes you think I'm management?" "Well, your cabinet door has a name plate now, and you no longer clock in...that means you aren't paid for overtime...and you came up with the big promotion 'Cataloge Launch in June 2005--We Can Do It!!!' You're management! And we're all very glad. None of us wanted to think....I mean, we're all very happy that you've risen to new levels of authority and responsibility. And I've done over a hundred codes this week!" Jen rolled her eyes, "How many over?" "Well, I have teenagers you know. So, I'd say quite a bit over. I wanted you to check the decorations for the cake. This time I bought the official Harry Potter cake decoration kit. Or, the closest thing I could find to Harry Potter." Jen took a look, "This isn't Harry Potter! It's Disney's Sword and the Stone! Miss Havisham will go berserk if you show up with a King Arthur cake. And Kneasy will have apoplexy over the Disney theme!" "Oh, boy. Good thing we have middle management now! Well, I think I have some old Harry Potter action figures somewhere in the car. I'll go check under the seats. They'll look just fine on the cake. In the meantime will you read this memo for approval and send it up the chain?" Jen took the piece of paper and read: Waiting for new code numbers for the Calculating Ages Codes. Could you read Post 47907 and let me know if it is OT? It's a T-BAY and I may be missing something. Kathy W. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri May 20 18:54:06 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:54:06 -0000 Subject: Project 61393 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > She checked on the cake, sitting securely in the Antique Tupperwear > Cake Carrier, stood and crossed to Jen's cabinet. She knocked > politely and waited. > > Jen opened the door, "Miss Jen," Potioncat started. > > "Miss Jen?" > > "Well, you're management, now. Shouldn't I call you Miss? > > "Well, your cabinet door has a name plate now, and you no longer > clock in...that means you aren't paid for overtime...and you came up with the big promotion 'Cataloge Launch in June 2005--We Can Do > It!!!' You're management! And we're all very glad. None of us wanted to think....I mean, we're all very happy that you've risen to new levels of authority and responsibility. And I've done over a hundred codes this week!" > Miss Havisham listened from behind her door. Jen seemed to be coping well with her new role. At the weekend she would ask for a progress report on Project 61393, the catchy title for finishing the pre-OOP posts before 16th July. > > In the meantime will you read this memo for approval and send it up the chain?" > > Jen took the piece of paper and read: > > Waiting for new code numbers for the Calculating Ages Codes. Smiling grimly, Miss Havisham waited with interest to find out if Jen had stayed on top of Potioncat's changes of mind on this section. Her promotion depended on producing a crisp, clear summary of the section changes needed. > > Could you read Post 47907 and let me know if it is OT? It's a T-BAY > and I may be missing something. > A test of judgement indeed, but a simple one if Potioncat were to go upthread just one post to 47881. MD's influence, and the arguments for and against rage back and forward and take many very sophisticated turns; this is one of them. TBAY is metaphor; nuff said. Carolyn ..amused by the idea of Kneasy, alter ego of the MDDT house-elf (? no?). From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat May 21 00:21:20 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:21:20 -0000 Subject: Project 61393 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Smiling grimly, Miss Havisham waited with interest to find out if Jen > had stayed on top of Potioncat's changes of mind on this section. Her > promotion depended on producing a crisp, clear summary of the section > changes needed. > Potioncat happened to remember a few details Jen might need, she scribbled a quick note and stuck it into Jen's cabinet. We need these categories for Ages. They fit well in either Characterization or Dynamics. It just depends on which is easier to add new headings to. Change Weasley Age Gaps to Calculating Weasley Ages then change its number to go with these two new ones: Calculating Adults' Ages Calculating Students' Ages From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat May 21 02:59:34 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 02:59:34 -0000 Subject: Project 61393 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > > > > Smiling grimly, Miss Havisham waited with interest to find out if Jen > > had stayed on top of Potioncat's changes of mind on this section. Her > > promotion depended on producing a crisp, clear summary of the section > > changes needed. > > > > Potioncat happened to remember a few details Jen might need, she > scribbled a quick note and stuck it into Jen's cabinet. > > We need these categories for Ages. They fit well in either > Characterization or Dynamics. It just depends on which is easier to add > new headings to. > > Change Weasley Age Gaps to Calculating Weasley Ages then change its > number to go with these two new ones: > Calculating Adults' Ages > Calculating Students' Ages "Hold on just a little minute! I'm the *idea* person. You know, the one who comes up with a catchy phrase then fades back into the woodwork (or cubicle, as it were)? The one who has a burst of energy, then falls back into old habits? Like Ginger said about her therapist, whoosit, and Taco John guy, who all agreed she should make a *contribution*--that's me, too!" "And," Jen's voice dropped to a whisper, "I've only coded about 10 posts this week and plan on doing a blitz coding tomorrow morning before Miss Havisham finds out. Because she won't like my excuse at all--I was having *fun* this week. Shhhhhhhh." "But Potioncat....now there's a woman with promise! A woman who can rise to the occasion, raise teenagers, code *well* over 100 posts a day if I read that correctly, and still find time to bake a cake. Now she's middle-management material." Jen nodded sagely. **************************************************************** As for the Calculating Ages question, if you're really asking for my opinion ;), it looks easier to code them under Group Dynamics because they're already underneath that topic now. So then you would just switch the codes to these: 1.2.11.9 Calculating Weasley Ages 1.2.11.10 Calculating Students' Ages 1.2.11.11 Calaculating Adult Ages Or you could get fancy and sub-code Calculating Weasley Ages under the Weasleys, Calculating Student Ages under the Trio, and....well, there isn't a good category to code Calculating Adult ages under. So I'd vote for the codes above. Jen, who likes the name "Project 61393" and feels quite inspired by it, actually. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat May 21 15:28:03 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:28:03 -0000 Subject: The management challenge/multiple posts/character's ages Message-ID: Jen: "Hold on just a little minute! I'm the *idea* person. You know, the one who comes up with a catchy phrase then fades back into the woodwork (or cubicle, as it were)? The one who has a burst of energy, then falls back into old habits? Like Ginger said about her therapist, whoosit, and Taco John guy, who all agreed she should make a *contribution*--that's me, too!" "But Potioncat....now there's a woman with promise! A woman who can rise to the occasion, raise teenagers, code *well* over 100 posts a day if I read that correctly, and still find time to bake a cake. Now she's middle-management material." Jen nodded sagely. Wearily, Miss Havisham reviewed the shuffling throng... it appeared her staff development programme had a way to go yet. Maybe she should just go back to hitting people and barking orders; the old ways were often the best. Sniffing, she cut herself a large slice of cake, since it was lying around, and reviewed the in tray: ***** Jen: I'm doing my GOF review and wondering again about the multiple posts, most often written by Catlady. The truth is, many of the individual sections in each post would *not* be coded in a stand-alone post. The information is too brief, or refers to past discussions or would simply be coded to FAQ/Adds nothing new. I'm running across many of these posts in chapter discussions, and have uncoded a few entirely and rejected them because there's just nothing new in each individual section, even if the post is massive. Debbie: The pearls *are* hard to find among the mere agreement and fanfic speculation. I find they average one good thought ever other post or so; the rest is all repetition. I assume that some of the early posts were saved, so I wouldn't feel too guilty about tossing most of the rest. Ginger: I code multiples as I would if each section was a seperate post. If I only code one part, then I only code one. If I code more, then so be it. I hit "multiple post" regardless. The only time I don't is if there is nothing new in any section and I am rejecting the whole thing. Which happens. Depending on the topics. Carolyn: I think Ginger has the right approach. You need to tackle each section of a multiple individually, and assess if it deserves a code. I have to admit that I am quite hard on them now, as Rita does repeat herself and has been posting almost from the beginning. However, I admit to enjoying her flights of fancy, so if she accidentally bases something on canon (an oversight on her part usually), I let it through. I would want to avoid any individual poster getting their own named section, as there is no need anyway - people will be able to search on any named poster, right across the database and get all the person's posts that we have decided to keep. This will be great for Elkins' hunts, ESE!Pippin etc, but also ensures that different takes on subjects all get coded together. Thus if anyone actually has anything sensible to say about Rosicrucianism, people can read it alongside, erm, Hans' contributions, and hopefully draw their own conclusions. *********** Next up was a very tatty and scribbled-over bit of parchment, which appeared to be Potioncat's so-called 'final thoughts' on the characters' ages sections. Miss Havisham struggled to remember where this discussion had begun, but failed. >>We need these categories for Ages. They fit well in either Characterization or Dynamics. It just depends on which is easier to add new headings to. Change Weasley Age Gaps to Calculating Weasley Ages then change its number to go with these two new ones: Calculating Adults' Ages Calculating Students' Ages<< Below this, written in a firm, clear, definitely managerial hand, Jen had put: >>As for the Calculating Ages question, if you're really asking for my opinion ;), it looks easier to code them under Group Dynamics because they're already underneath that topic now. So then you would just switch the codes to these: 1.2.11.9 Calculating Weasley Ages 1.2.11.10 Calculating Students' Ages 1.2.11.11 Calaculating Adult Ages Or you could get fancy and sub-code Calculating Weasley Ages under the Weasleys, Calculating Student Ages under the Trio, and....well, there isn't a good category to code Calculating Adult ages under. So I'd vote for the codes above. <<< This girl really had promise....and had definitely volunteered to be on the 'Difficult Topics' committee a while back (though come to think of it, so had Boyd). Miss Havisham hastily checked the baseball bat was still stored with her gun, rope, pitchfork and collection of medieval torture instruments. She wondered how he was getting on with Dumbledore, and more to the point, exactly what he was up to with the MD posts. Please note that by implementing this suggestion I will have to re- number all the succeeding sections .... Continuing to sigh heavily, she cranked out another 100 posts, just to show them what real work was, and snorted with delight to find Debbie's extensive 'meaning of quidditch' post [48192]. Now, Elfundeb..do you want this coded to any of the literary analysis categories? I have put it under foreshadowing, but was wondering about plot development perhaps. BTW, you got an FP from me, anyway! Carolyn From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat May 21 15:57:32 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 01:57:32 +1000 Subject: the well of lost penguins Message-ID: <20050521155731.GB13866@4dot0.net> 46000-46100 42 rejects Primary concerns were the Squibness of Petunia, the fury of Filch, what happens after book 7 (to everyone), and those damn wands again. Is there now any consensus that half of JKR's pronouncements about wands are probable Flints given the ease with which everyone seems to use whatever wands come to hand? The arguments at the current stage of coding appear at the least circular. I gave Cindy C's #46004 a rare FP, for the sheer effrontery of it. Can't wait to see JKR's reaction to THAT one. I will take 48401-48500. I must apologize for my relative absence for the last few weeks: the unexpected death of my landlord and charge as carer has thrown my life into chaos and deep sadness, and not even the literary smell of burning Havisham can alter the fact that my circumstances are decidedly unstable. But the good news is that it won't really get disrupted for a while yet, until the property is sold. And the better news is that I may even have the wherewithal to attend the Fforde Festival so shamelessly plugged on the group homepage. I have kept abreast of current group developments and am quite happy with the progression of categories (particularly MWPP), and even more relieved that I have no ambition whatsoever of any sort. But mostly I am glad that Thursday can still remember Landen. -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat May 21 18:17:02 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:17:02 -0000 Subject: the well of lost penguins In-Reply-To: <20050521155731.GB13866@4dot0.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 wrote: > > I must apologize for my relative absence for the last few weeks: the > unexpected death of my landlord and charge as carer has thrown my life into > chaos and deep sadness, and not even the literary smell of burning Havisham > can alter the fact that my circumstances are decidedly unstable. But the good > news is that it won't really get disrupted for a while yet, until the property > is sold. And the better news is that I may even have the wherewithal to attend > the Fforde Festival so shamelessly plugged on the group homepage. > Welcome back Sean. Hope this nuthouse is some kind of distraction to everything you are dealing with. Carolyn From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat May 21 18:18:24 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:18:24 -0000 Subject: The management challenge/multiple posts/character's ages & Sean In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Ginger: > I code multiples as I would if each section was a seperate post. > If I only code one part, then I only code one. If I code more, > then so be it. I hit "multiple post" regardless. The only time I > don't is if there is nothing new in any section and I am rejecting > the whole thing. Which happens. Depending on the topics. > Carolyn: > I think Ginger has the right approach. You need to tackle each > section of a multiple individually, and assess if it deserves a > code. I have to admit that I am quite hard on them now, as Rita > does repeat herself and has been posting almost from the > beginning. However, I admit to enjoying her flights of fancy, so > if she accidentally bases something on canon (an oversight on her > part usually), I let it through. Jen: That works for me. I've still been trying to code the bulk of the post, but this approach is better. Well, except for the end-user who has to scroll through the entire post to find the one tidbit coded to a category, but they can just pass it by if it's not worth the time. OK, so for now I won't do anything with the Multiple section, although we may end up having to weed through there eventually. There are 546 posts at the moment in that category, and using Ginger's idea, there are sure to be many in need of trimming. But it's not a priority at the moment. I'll continue on with the GOF review, then Characterization and if I have steam left, the Multiple category. Carolyn: > I would want to avoid any individual poster getting their own > named section, as there is no need anyway - people will be able to > search on any named poster, right across the database and get all > the person's posts that we have decided to keep. > Jen: I didn't actually want to name the Multiple category after Catlady, b/c Amy Z. and a few others consistently write multiples as well. The idea was to leave many multiples coded *only* to the Multiple category if they offered some tidbits of wisdom but weren't really candidates for either coding to the main sections or rejecting. But I think Ginger's plan is actually the best way to handle it. Jen: > So then you would just switch the codes to these: > > 1.2.11.9 Calculating Weasley Ages > 1.2.11.10 Calculating Students' Ages > 1.2.11.11 Calaculating Adult Ages Carolyn: > Please note that by implementing this suggestion I will have to re- > number all the succeeding sections .... Jen: Ack, is there a better way? ....Oh dear, just checked the database and see you've already changed things. My, you are speedy aren't you? Sean: > I must apologize for my relative absence for the last few weeks: > the unexpected death of my landlord and change as carer has thrown > my life into chaos and deep sadness, and not even the literary > smell of burning Havisham can alter the fact that my circumstances > are decidedly unstable. Jen: Sean, I'm so sorry for the upheaval in your life and glad to see you back at the same time. Somehow the balance wasn't the same without the penguin around. ;) Jen, back to the salt mines to see if she can show up Miss Havisham and her spotless work ethic. hehehe..... From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat May 21 18:27:58 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:27:58 -0000 Subject: Quick TBAY Q. Message-ID: If a post has TBAY in the title, I haven't been coding it to the TBAY category. What's the final word on that and does it matter? From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat May 21 18:44:27 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: multiple posts& Sean In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050521184427.26443.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jen: That works for me. I've still been trying to code the bulk of the post, but this approach is better. Well, except for the end-user who has to scroll through the entire post to find the one tidbit coded to a category, but they can just pass it by if it's not worth the time. Ginger: Maybe I'm getting oldgetful in my foreage, but I had thought I heard something (outside my own head) about multiposts, and how the relevant section would be highlighted in the final product so people could just scroll down. It might be just me, though. Sean: > I must apologize for my relative absence for the last few weeks: > the unexpected death of my landlord and change as carer has thrown > my life into chaos and deep sadness, and not even the literary > smell of burning Havisham can alter the fact that my circumstances > are decidedly unstable. Jen: Sean, I'm so sorry for the upheaval in your life and glad to see you back at the same time. Somehow the balance wasn't the same without the penguin around. ;) Ginger: I add my condolences and also note that the productivity suffered as well as the balance. Good to have you back on all counts. Ginger, noting that it's too wet to mow the lawn and I'll just have to spend that time coding! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat May 21 18:46:54 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Quick TBAY Q. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050521184654.90821.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jen Reese wrote: If a post has TBAY in the title, I haven't been coding it to the TBAY category. What's the final word on that and does it matter? Ginger: Oh, dear, I've been doing just the opposite! Unless the TBAY in the heading is leftover from the previous post and the current one is not actually a TBAY. I'm afraid one of us is wrong. I got a new stove yesterday. Shall I fire it up in anticipation? Ginger, not mowing __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat May 21 19:08:35 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:08:35 -0000 Subject: Quick TBAY Q. In-Reply-To: <20050521184654.90821.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Ginger wrote: > > > Jen Reese wrote: > If a post has TBAY in the title, I haven't been coding it to the TBAY > category. What's the final word on that and does it matter? > > Ginger: Oh, dear, I've been doing just the opposite! Unless the TBAY in the heading is leftover from the previous post and the current one is not actually a TBAY. > > I'm afraid one of us is wrong. I got a new stove yesterday. Shall I fire it up in anticipation? > > Ginger, not mowing LOL, I think it's me who needs to change. Guess it will be easy enough to fix, just go through the Acronym categories for the ones I remember coding and add TBAY. And add it to any others I see along the way. Jen, glad she never has to mow, weed or do more than plant the yearly flower beds (very small) and water the inside plants. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat May 21 19:15:35 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:15:35 -0000 Subject: Characters' ages/Multiple posts/TBAYs Message-ID: Carolyn: > Please note that by implementing this suggestion I will have to re- > number all the succeeding sections .... Jen: Ack, is there a better way? ....Oh dear, just checked the database and see you've already changed things. My, you are speedy aren't you? Carolyn: I only added the extra sub-heads within the existing category, as when I looked, I saw that the main head still had 191 posts in it, as Kathy was waiting for me to create the new heads before she could move things. Once that's done, we must make a definitive decision where this section should live. I'd prefer not to renumber all the next sections, obviously, but if there is no other way.. ***** Ginger: Maybe I'm getting oldgetful in my foreage, but I had thought I heard something (outside my own head) about multiposts, and how the relevant section would be highlighted in the final product so people could just scroll down. It might be just me, though. Carolyn: Yes, this is the general intention, though I have to admit that Paul and Tim are not sure how to do this, as yet. ********** Jen: If a post has TBAY in the title, I haven't been coding it to the TBAY category. What's the final word on that and does it matter? Ginger: Oh, dear, I've been doing just the opposite! Unless the TBAY in the heading is leftover from the previous post and the current one is not actually a TBAY. I'm afraid one of us is wrong. I got a new stove yesterday. Shall I fire it up in anticipation? Carolyn: Generally, the TBAY head down in the admin section was created to code posts that were TBAY in style, but were posted without that prefix in the subject-head. Mainly this occurred way back in the mid- 20000s, when people started experimenting. After major objections (TBacle I, II..), the prefix was introduced. I think it is still useful to tick it even if the prefix is used, and I try to remember to do that. Otherwise, someone wanting to call up the whole TBAY oeuvre would miss some. Carolyn Who can't mow the lawn either, as it it's tipping down this side of the pond as well. From ewe2 at 4dot0.net Sat May 21 19:58:41 2005 From: ewe2 at 4dot0.net (ewe2) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 05:58:41 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: multiple posts& Sean In-Reply-To: <20050521184427.26443.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050521184427.26443.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050521195841.GC13866@4dot0.net> On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 11:44:27AM -0700, Ginger wrote: > Jen: That works for me. I've still been trying to code the bulk of the post, > but this approach is better. Well, except for the end-user who has to scroll > through the entire post to find the one tidbit coded to a category, but they > can just pass it by if it's not worth the time. That way lies madness IMHO. I firmly believe that unless you have serial multiposters (e.g. Catlady who seems incapable of a one-topic post), what you may miss in the asking of a question at the bottom of a post you'll gain in the replies. But if it isn't impeding your flow, that's ok. I just don't see a lot of value in the extra effort. Now I *know* this is going to sound terrible, but should we not have a way of keeping track of what's been gone over in perpetual circles so that coders can be warned not to bother with particular threads unless they have a new slant on particular matters? I don't know how that can be accomplished by reviewers but it would be helpful if some sort of tally of the kinds of arguments could be maintained for everyone's sanity. This is probably a meta-meta-job after the bulk of the review process is over with, but it could be a time-saver. Thoughts? > Ginger: Maybe I'm getting oldgetful in my foreage, but I had thought I > heard something (outside my own head) about multiposts, and how the relevant > section would be highlighted in the final product so people could just > scroll down. It might be just me, though. I am now fervently glad I'm not coding *that* particular interface. > Sean: > > I must apologize for my relative absence for the last few weeks: > > the unexpected death of my landlord and change as carer has thrown > > my life into chaos and deep sadness, and not even the literary > > smell of burning Havisham can alter the fact that my circumstances > > are decidedly unstable. > > Jen: Sean, I'm so sorry for the upheaval in your life and glad to > see you back at the same time. Somehow the balance wasn't the same > without the penguin around. ;) Nice to know that penguins are still wanted...sniff :) But I'm afraid the only balance I retain is due to the chips on both shoulders heh. > Ginger: I add my condolences and also note that the productivity suffered > as well as the balance. Good to have you back on all counts. Thanks Ginger, but from the catalogue db I see you have been outstripping all in terms of productivity, quite frightening really. I don't predict a sharp rise in my own productivity either, but I'm going to try to keep up. eeks, Sean -- sed awk grep cat dd ..Im a luser baby ,so why don't you killall -kill me. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat May 21 20:01:26 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:01:26 -0000 Subject: Power & ambition Message-ID: I'm dealing with a long thread on power - originating with a post of Melody's examining whether 'seeking' things is good or bad in the Potterverse. So far, I am putting it under the ambition code, and thinking of changing that code to read 'power & ambition', though they are not quite the same thing. The thread also diverges from time to time into what it is that Voldemort wants, but also into what Harry's role is (a seeker). Thoughts? Carolyn From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat May 21 20:32:54 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:32:54 -0000 Subject: Power & ambition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > I'm dealing with a long thread on power - originating with a post of > Melody's examining whether 'seeking' things is good or bad in the > Potterverse. > > So far, I am putting it under the ambition code, and thinking of > changing that code to read 'power & ambition', though they are not > quite the same thing. > > The thread also diverges from time to time into what it is that > Voldemort wants, but also into what Harry's role is (a seeker). > > Thoughts? > > Carolyn Jen: Scrolling through the first section in the catalogue, several categories combine similar ideas like "friendship/loyalty" and "equality/fairness". They aren't exactly synonymous but have enough overlap to fit together. In short, I'd say power & ambition are close enough to live together in a category. As for Harry being a seeker, do we need a category for Harry's agenda?!? Nah, mostly kidding, mainly because we've coded too many posts to go there now. I think JKR is writing Harry's ambition or goal as bravery/courage since she stresses that so often. Would the posts fit in that category? If not, you can't just code to Harry or Anne will pitch a fit. :) From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat May 21 22:58:56 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Power & ambition In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050521225856.79430.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> carolynwhite2 wrote: I'm dealing with a long thread on power - originating with a post of Melody's examining whether 'seeking' things is good or bad in the Potterverse. So far, I am putting it under the ambition code, and thinking of changing that code to read 'power & ambition', though they are not quite the same thing. Ginger: I'm coding part of that thread too. I decided how it should be coded by the tried and true method of looking up another post in the thread and finding how someone else coded it. Ambition worked for me. Once I saw you had coded it there, I thought "oh, that makes sense" and went on my merry way. I'm not sure about changing the name as power encompasses so many things. I have coded several posts in that thread to other things as well, depending on the content of each post. My end of the thread got into responsibility and choices as well, as in how Harry seeks his power for the good of others rather than his own ambition. Just my take on it, Ginger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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These posts were Chapter Discussion questions, and answers, that dealt with many subjects under a particular Chapter Heading. There were 27 posts that needed to be reviewed and/or have particulars added such as Multiple Post, which will be appropriately deposited in the Review bin. ********* Sirius Sub-categories 2.2.1.1 through 2.2.1.15 originally had 53 posts. It will now have 48. Some of the following categories have yet to have posts ticked to them because the acronym was not invented until after post 60,000 or better. Two of the Sub-categories could be eliminated, FOPF and SIDS. (discussed further under each topic) Some acronym definitions were retrieved from Inish Alley. ********* 2.2.1.1 ACCUSER (No Posts) "Attributing Countless Causes Underlying Sirius' Eternal Rest" 2.2.1.2 BAD NEWS (No Posts) "Buddy Acts Dumbly Needling Evil Wizard of Slytherin" 2.2.1.3 BLAME SIRIUS (One Post) "Badly Led Astray, Moonlit and Excommunicated: Surely Implicating Remus Is Unjust Slander" 2.2.1.4 CUPID'S BLUDGER (Had 24 posts now has 20) "Contrary to Unrequited Passion Infelicitously Devouring Severus, Black's Love of Unknown Damsel Gets Expected Response" 2.2.1.5 CUPID'S QUAFFLE (Five Posts) "Cruelly Undermining Proud, Infatuated Damsel, Sirius Quickened Underage, Awkward Feminist Florence's Lapse into Evil" 2.2.1.6 CUPID'S SNITCH (Nine Posts) This acronym never had a truly formed definition, so I copied Elkins reply as to what CUPID'S SNITCH meant: "Cupid's Snitch was a direct response to Cindy's plea for some extra motivation for Sirius' Prank, and for Sirius and Snape's mutual loathing -- preferably one that would somehow involve the Unknown Damsel Florence." 2.2.1.7 FOPF "Fans of Padfoot" (No posts) This is a general way in which to state a group of people who are Sirius Fans. It is an abbreviation, somewhat like Dumbledore is DD, more so than an acronym, which has a theory based definition. This category could be deleted. 2.2.1.8 UNVEILS (No Posts) "Unintended Nondead Veil Entrance Ignores Living Sirius" 2.2.1.9 SAD DENIAL (No Posts) "Sirius' Awful Death Didn't End Neatly: It's A Lie!" 2.2.1.10 SIDS "Sirius Is Dead Sexy" (No Posts) This is a general way in which to state that Sirius is dead sexy. This category could be deleted or (cringe) I could go back over all the posts to find the ones that speak of Dead Sexy Sirius. There was one post under this heading that I vote to delete to this category unless I am to look up all posts related to Dead Sexy Sirius. There are a few but I don't think they need their own category. Again, it seems to be more of an abbreviation than an acronym. 2.2.1.11 SINISTER (10 Posts) "Sirius Is not Nutters; Instead, Sirius Tried to do Everything Right" 2.2.1.12 SOIL HOCKEY (Three Posts) "Sirius Obtains Information at Lupin's Hand. Old Crowd Klatches Entire Year." 2.2.1.13 STATICSCAP (One Post) "Sirius' Trick Aimed To Instruct Callous Snape About Prejudice" 2.2.1.14 STUFFED BEAR (No Posts) "Sirius: True Unselfish Friend For Ever! Deserves Better End And Revival!" 2.2.1.15 AIRSHIP FANCY (No Posts) "Any Ingenious Resurrection Sirius Has Is Problematic, Fans Absolutely Need Cathartic Yielding" KathySnow almost ready to due my part in coding quest 61393! From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 22 19:08:15 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:08:15 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday May 22nd Message-ID: PROGRESS As of today, we have now coded 55392 posts, and rejected 30273 (54.6%). We are up to post 49000 on the main list, so that's 12393 to go on Project 61393, or 1549 per week until July 16th... This week, with 6 people coding, we did 1475 posts (so target is definitely achievable). And, with KathySnow finishing Sirius, we will have done 53 of the 106 review sections (thanks Kathy - just to help you I rejected an entire 'why do we love Sirius' thread last week). CODING ERRORS Could you take a look at the reject status on: Debbie: 47564 Jen: 48654 TECH STUFF Tim also tells me he has made some progress on the UI design and will be posting something about that here later today. From kking0731 at gmail.com Sun May 22 23:41:40 2005 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:41:40 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday May 22nd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: And, with KathySnow finishing Sirius, we will have done 53 of the 106 review sections (thanks Kathy - just to help you I rejected an entire 'why do we love Sirius' thread last week). Snow: Thanks ever so much! I thought I would never see the light at the end of the tunnel. I quit coding because I realized I was just making more work for myself. I'll be back to coding full-steam once I make the adjustments to the categories. What did you, or anyone think of my suggestion of dropping the two sub-categories, SIDS and FOPF? There is only one post awaiting a decision, so it's not all that imperative. KathySnow From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 23 07:41:12 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:41:12 -0000 Subject: SIDS & FOPF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "snow15145" wrote: > > What did you, or anyone think of my suggestion of dropping the two > sub-categories, SIDS and FOPF? There is only one post awaiting a > decision, so it's not all that imperative. > > KathySnow Kathy, sorry, missed that - I will delete the headings with enthusiasm! Anything rather than make you go over the whole lot again... Carolyn From timregan at microsoft.com Tue May 24 10:32:29 2005 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:32:29 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] UPDATE, Sunday May 22nd Message-ID: <47DA59BF3D32334DAF6A67C7508991AB01C9F32E@EUR-MSG-20.europe.corp.microsoft.com> Hi All, Carolyn wrote: >>> TECH STUFF Tim also tells me he has made some progress on the UI design and will be posting something about that here later today. <<< Yes, then I got bogged down in CSS tree menus that can be dynamically updated from JavaScript. When I've got that fixed I'll post a screen shot. Definitely work in progress ... Cheers, Tim / Dumbledad From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed May 25 14:30:08 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:30:08 -0000 Subject: Characters' ages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn: > I only added the extra sub-heads within the existing category, as > when I looked, I saw that the main head still had 191 posts in it, as > Kathy was waiting for me to create the new heads before she could > move things. > > Once that's done, we must make a definitive decision where this > section should live. I'd prefer not to renumber all the next > sections, obviously, but if there is no other way.. Potioncat: I've started the process of moving posts into the correct numbers. And I think this will make future coding much easier! Instead of clicking each name, it's one simple code. The characters' names only need to be coded if they are discussed in some other way. Anyone who comes across an age calculation, go ahead and use Weasley, or student, or adult for the code. Now, as I understand it, Carolyn, I'll tell you when I'm done and you'll make 1.2.12 go away on all remaining posts. Is that correct? As far as I can see, the Calculating Codes can go wherever it's easiest for you to move them. Characterization fits as does Dynamics. Or it can keep the 1.2.12... numbers. Keeping the three together under one larger heading (whatever the heading) is a good idea. I'll let you know when I'm done. I'm going to run through my notes, then check for any posts that may have been added more recently, then I'll report back. Kathy W. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu May 26 04:04:23 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 04:04:23 -0000 Subject: Characters' ages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Now, as I understand it, Carolyn, I'll tell you when I'm done and > you'll make 1.2.12 go away on all remaining posts. Is that correct? I'm done. 1.2.12 can be removed from any remaining posts. 1.2.12.1 Weasley ages: 48 1.2.12.2 Students' ages: 18 1.2.12.3 Adults ages: 34 Kathy W. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Fri May 27 13:56:42 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:56:42 -0000 Subject: Losing that Lovin' Feeling for GOF Message-ID: Mired in the middle of reviewing GOF chapters, with 1800+ posts, and suddenly I don't think it's such a great book any more. ;) Do you know how many details there are in that book when you dump it on a bunch of LOONs? Like for instance, one passing reference to Harry watching an eagle owl for a moment in "The Madness of Mr. Crouch" led to some very long dissection about who *exactly* that eagle owl belonged to, where he was flying, how he couldn't possibly be flying where someone else said because of the timing controversy, etc. On a positive note I did run across a funny and insightful post by Debbie about DD's dual role as Headmaster & military leader, #40256, in which she refers to Trelawney as "...the Oracle at Delphi (or perhaps Mrs. Rochester, depending on how you look at it) locked up in the North Tower making predictions about the Dark Lord." LOL. Anyway, just wanted to whinge for a moment, share the pain. I hope to get this finished by tomorrow as I'm on Chapter 29 at the moment *crossses fingers*. Jen, noting it's officially summer as her 7 yr. old already declared himself bored on day 2 (after 6 hours playing with a friend) and asked yesterday, on day 4, when school was going to start. *sigh* From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri May 27 17:35:18 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:35:18 -0000 Subject: Crabcustard Message-ID: The coding machine at Potioncat's desk began to rattle and shake. There was a high pitched whine and suddenly great globs of grey goo splattered around the office. Some were drenched but a few managed to avoid any at all. It was giving off a distinct odor of stale seafood. "CRAB CUSTARD!" Miss Havisham announced. Potioncat nodded, keeping up her pace, much to Miss Havisham's surprise. Some of the staff were looking a bit green, but others seemed to actually like the mounds of custard. "OK! That's it! I'm done for the day!" Miss Havisham quickly looked at her automatic counter, "Your batch isn't finished." "It is for today! Nine, count them, nine Elkins T-Bay posts. All of them about the Crouch family. And it's not pretty. Half way through them, I thought, OK, this would make a very interesting book. By the time I was done, it was a book!" She looked around the room. A few coders were nodding. "They know what I mean, I think this thread goes on for a while. Torture, painful deaths, ghosts, angst..." Potioncat sees that some of the staff have eager looks on their faces and she thinks she heard the upstairs door creak. "It's post 47927, here's a link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/47927 Enjoy! Oh, by the end I was skimming the content, feel free to re- code anything." Miss Havisham shook her head, better to let Potioncat have a mental health break, "Too much CRAB CUSTARD for you, then?" Potioncat shook her head, "I did my best. I stuck it out. I even sent a note to Alla to tell her about the string of Elkins' posts. She does such a good job of starting up new discussions of it. But then, when I was finally out of the T-BAY...someone compared Severus Snape to...to...to Daffy Duck!" And with that, Potioncat was gone. From kakearney at comcast.net Fri May 27 19:05:51 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:05:51 -0000 Subject: 3.16.3 review (Hogwarts admission, population, funding) Message-ID: Well, I finally finished reviewing 3.16.3. Only took, what, two months? Sorry, lots of real-life interference lately. Anyway, to the results of this review. I'll start with the subcategory 3.16.3.1, which was pretty straightforward and only needed a little cleaning out. 3.16.3.1 Funding & Tuition -------------------------- Originally: 63 Now: 59 Includes: How is Hogwarts funded? Tuition, endowments, government support? What needs to be funded, and who controls the money? (includes discussion of the financial source of Harry's first broom). 3.16.3 Admission Process & overall school population ---------------------------------------------------- Now, the main category. This one definitely needs to be split into two categories: 1) School population, and 2) Admission process. In the 410 posts originally populating this category, only two really referred to both subjects; the rest were one or the other. I haven't actually moved or rejected any posts yet (since all will need to be moved), but I've marked every post for either inclusion in one of these two categories or for rejection (from this category, at least). It breaks down to Originally: 410 School population: 109 Admission process: 86 Way above my normal reject rate... aren't you proud of me? Starting with school population, I was very tempted to remove all posts but club post 7032, which reached the following definitive number of students: "Okay, once and for all time, here is the exact number of students at Hogwarts. After extensive research of the subject, I have used several supercomputers to predict the influences of several different factors. Taking into account polar wobble and the change in the earth's magnetic field, it can be hypothesized that each student represents one gazillionth of the amount of energy in the universe. Using a sliderule the exact number comes out to be 379 students plus or minus 500. There, now that makes the whole story complete in my mind, how about you? I don't think I could read another one of these books without having that settled." Seriously, though, any posts you come across that say "Hogwarts has X number of students because of ..." and proceed to quote one or two passages from the books need to be rejected. I can guarantee you that there is not a single piece of canonical evidence that has not already been quoted, second-guessed, and debated to death in the posts I kept. I won't even mention posts located at #40000+ that say, "Hey, anyone know how many students are at Hogwarts? Or realize that the numbers in the books aren't entirely consistant?" So, unless you come across a really compelling, detailed, well- researched thesis on the topic of Hogwarts population, think twice about coding it. Posts that belong in other categories: - WW population estimates: Often threads that began estimating school population drifted into entire-WW-world estimates, and vice versa. Try to keep these in their respective categories. - Other wizarding schools: Multiple-campus and other-British- wizarding-schools theories often began as an attempt to reconcile school population discrepancies. Once the conversation moves on to discuss the plausibility and details of other schools, keep it out of this category. On to subcategory 2, Admission process. Main topics: - How selective is Hogwarts? - Is there a specific age at which students receive their letters? What is the cutoff date? (a lot of overlap with Calculating students' ages here) - Do Muggle-born students receive the same letter or is there a different procedure? How do their families react (some crossover with Relationship with the Muggle World). - Quill discussion Overall, not many problems here. Quite a few Hermione-age posts that mentioned theoretical cutoff dates but that I didn't feel belonged here, but that was really the only problem. Finally , there was a small group of posts in the original category discussing the page in JKR's notebook where she had listed all the students names with some symbols. The thread basically discussed which symbols went with who and what they might mean. I wasn't sure they really belonged here (in either of the new categories), but I wasn't quite sure where they should go. Any suggestions? -Kelly From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri May 27 21:55:23 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] 3.16.3 review (Hogwarts admission, population, funding) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050527215523.44606.qmail@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger steps into the office after a quick trip to Honeydukes. Walking over to Jen, she hands her a big bag of "Lovin' Feelin' Cockroach clusters". Watch out, Jen, they really do try and feel you. As an afterthought, she also gives Jen a nice sack of plain old chocolate covered caramels. Boring, but no feelers. Potioncat gets a nice array of candied fruit. Hey, it's not crab, but they smelt good. Now for Kelly, a big jar of Bertie Bott's Beans (with all the nasty ones removed). Unfortunately, you have to guess how many beans are in each jar. But you should be up to that after: -------------------------- 3.16.3 Admission Process & overall school population ---------------------------------------------------- (snip) Starting with school population, I was very tempted to remove all posts but club post 7032, which reached the following definitive number of students: (snip funny post that says it all) Seriously, though, any posts you come across that say "Hogwarts has X number of students because of ..." and proceed to quote one or two passages from the books need to be rejected. I can guarantee you that there is not a single piece of canonical evidence that has not already been quoted, second-guessed, and debated to death in the posts I kept. Ginger cuts in: I just finished a thread of those last week, and you will be pleased to know I rejected all but a few. Kelly continues: I won't even mention posts located at #40000+ that say, "Hey, anyone know how many students are at Hogwarts? Or realize that the numbers in the books aren't entirely consistant?" Ginger again: I reject every question with no actual information. I figure that if someone answers it, they will include it in their post. Not a bad rule of thumb, I think, but one that must be used with caution. Kelly goes on: So, unless you come across a really compelling, detailed, well- researched thesis on the topic of Hogwarts population, think twice about coding it. Posts that belong in other categories: (snip) - Other wizarding schools: Multiple-campus and other-British- wizarding-schools theories often began as an attempt to reconcile school population discrepancies. Once the conversation moves on to discuss the plausibility and details of other schools, keep it out of this category. Ginger, who reviewed the "Other Wizarding schools" catergory adds: While we're on that, please just reject any of those unless they are pretty darn insightful and well-written (barring new canon, of course). I hacked that category to death, and still didn't remove anything, content-wise. (snip the rest of Jen's post). Ginger pauses, smiles at the assembled, and from behind her back, brings out a sack of assorted goodies. Share amongst yourselves. And with that, she returns to her desk to start her next batch. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat May 28 00:30:31 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 00:30:31 -0000 Subject: I rejected my first post! Message-ID: Ginger jumps up, spilling caramels from her desktop. "I rejected my first post!" she cries. "Ginger," says Kathy, "You have been hacking posts left and right for months." "Yeah," adds another Kathy, "Remember the weedwacker?" "No, no," squeals Ginger waving her hands excitedly. "I've rejected *other people's posts* many times, but this time I rejected *mine*. Written by me! I was writing under Gingersnape at the time (Gingersnap was taken, so I went with a HP twist) and I must say that I can't believe how much "nothing new" I added." Tolerant smiles flicker around the room, and Ginger, realizing that her moment of glee is over, goes back to work. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat May 28 13:09:31 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:09:31 -0000 Subject: chess and WEBCRAWLERS Message-ID: Post 47981 discussed the characters as chessmen. I coded it to 1.2.13 symbolism. There was another chess piece there. Post 47991, (T-BAY) mentioned WEBCRAWLERS which is about Winky and Crouch. I couldn't find it on the scroll, but doubt it's a frequently discussed topic. I coded the post to Crouches and to Winky. This batch is done. Kathy W. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat May 28 22:26:30 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:26:30 -0000 Subject: Character's ages (again)/Hogwarts/Chess/Elkins Message-ID: KathyW: > Now, as I understand it, Carolyn, I'll tell you when I'm done and > you'll make 1.2.12 go away on all remaining posts. Is that correct? I'm done. 1.2.12 can be removed from any remaining posts. 1.2.12.1 Weasley ages: 48 1.2.12.2 Students' ages: 18 1.2.12.3 Adults ages: 34 Carolyn: Ah..I didn't realise we would be left with so many posts in 1.2.12. I am going to ask Paul to automatically remove the category from those, then make a decision where the sub-heads should live. If I renumber on the category list, all our database files will need to be altered too ... ***** Kelly: 3.16.3 Admission Process & overall school population ---------------------------------------------------- Now, the main category. This one definitely needs to be split into two categories: 1) School population, and 2) Admission process. Carolyn: So, shall I create a new heading so that these categories now read: 3.16.3 Admission process 3.16.3.1 Funding & tuition fees 3.16.3.2 Overall school population Well done for finishing this horror ! *************** Kelly: Finally , there was a small group of posts in the original category discussing the page in JKR's notebook where she had listed all the students names with some symbols. The thread basically discussed which symbols went with who and what they might mean. I wasn't sure they really belonged here (in either of the new categories), but I wasn't quite sure where they should go. Any suggestions? Carolyn: Perhaps they really belong with 3.16.4 Sorting process, since they are largely guesses about which student belongs where? ******** KathyW: Post 47981 discussed the characters as chessmen. I coded it to 1.2.13 symbolism. There was another chess piece there. Post 47991, (T-BAY) mentioned WEBCRAWLERS which is about Winky and Crouch. I couldn't find it on the scroll, but doubt it's a frequently discussed topic. I coded the post to Crouches and to Winky. Carolyn: I tend to put all chess discussions under 3.14.1 Wizard chess, including discussions of the McGonagall chess set from PS/SS (cross- ref to chapter as well). I figured it would be useful to have all the chess references together in some place for people such as the valiant hopefuls who put up that great knight2king4 site (or whatever it was called - KathySnow, you put me on to it in one of your posts..pity it's discredited already, but nothing ventured etc!). If WEBCRAWLERS develops legs (he he)..let me know and I'll add a category for it. ****** KathyW: "It is for today! Nine, count them, nine Elkins T-Bay posts. "They know what I mean, I think this thread goes on for a while. Torture, painful deaths, ghosts, angst..." Potioncat sees that some of the staff have eager looks on their faces and she thinks she heard the upstairs door creak. " Miss Havisham takes a look and smiles happily, to quote the blessed Elks: 'All of these posts are long. They are eccentric. They are personal. They are digressive. They are Turbo-TBAYed. And much of them were written long-hand in a yellow pad while I was sick in bedand running a very high temperature. So. You have been warned.' Miss H listened in disbelief as Potioncat blithered on: "I did my best. I stuck it out. I even sent a note to Alla to tell her about the string of Elkins' posts. She does such a good job of starting up new discussions of it. But then, when I was finally out of the T-BAY...someone compared Severus Snape to...to...to Daffy Duck!" You sent them to Alla? ... it was probably her that wrote the Daffy Duck post. Alarming as it may seem, she was actually around at the same time, and appears to have taken in absolutely nothing either then or since. The only possible benefit is the rather Elkins-like BetsyHorridporrid leaping upon them, she's fun I think [thanks Magda for the heads up to look at her stuff]. >Ginger pauses, smiles at the assembled, and from behind her back, brings out a sack of assorted goodies. >Share amongst yourselves. Carolyn (hopefully): Anything alcoholic? I think I need something soothing.. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat May 28 22:57:14 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:57:14 -0000 Subject: the boy in the flowerbed Message-ID: Hi, all, I'm in the series of posts where everyone is discussing JKR's newest release that Book 5 would start with a boy lying in a flowerbed. There were a ton of posts speculating who and why, and quite frankly, I rejected all but one, which also included a nice summarization of the beginnings of the other books (Pippin, I think). I coded that one to predictions for book 5, with canon (since she provided it). I thought the others were way too vague to clutter up the predictions category, especially since we now know that it was Harry and why he was there. Any thoughts on this? We are coming up on the time when speculation will be running rampant, and I think we need to define (or at least come to some general agreement) on what is a prediction and should be coded and what is to be rejected. What do you all think? BTW, I've had a huge reject rate on the last couple of sets. There was a shipping thread that went on forever, and, as I reviewed that category, I know it is all in there. I kept a few that were well- written and all-encompassing. Or at least encompassed all for that particular ship. I also rejected a lot of "who owns the Riddle house" posts, but I ran into a concern there. There were a few that I wanted to code, but only found the Riddle house under Geography. The description in the heading said only to code about location, not about what happened there, but I checked and found that of the 12 posts in that category, most were about who owned the Riddle house, so I went and added my 2 or 3 more to that. Should I have done that? Or is there a better way? Sorry about the lack of alcohol, Carolyn, I didn't think to stop at the 3 Broomsticks, but I'll pick some up next time I'm in the Hog's Head. In the mean time, check Kneasy's bottom left-hand desk drawer. You didn't hear that from me. Ginger, off to code more. From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat May 28 23:02:47 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:02:47 -0400 Subject: Chess/Elkins References: Message-ID: Carolyn: I tend to put all chess discussions under 3.14.1 Wizard chess, including discussions of the McGonagall chess set from PS/SS (cross- ref to chapter as well). If WEBCRAWLERS develops legs (he he)..let me know and I'll add a category for it. Kathy W. I will gladly move that post to 3.14.1. Given the number of batches that have been completed, it doesn't look like any legs developed. Thank goodness! I don't like spiders any more than Ron does, and it wasn't a pleasant theory. Kathy W. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kakearney at comcast.net Sat May 28 23:23:25 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:23:25 -0000 Subject: Character's ages (again)/Hogwarts/Chess/Elkins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > So, shall I create a new heading so that these categories now read: > > 3.16.3 Admission process > 3.16.3.1 Funding & tuition fees > 3.16.3.2 Overall school population Sounds good to me. Kelly: > Finally , there was a small group of posts in the original category > discussing the page in JKR's notebook where she had listed all the > students names with some symbols. The thread basically discussed > which symbols went with who and what they might mean. I wasn't sure > they really belonged here (in either of the new categories), but I > wasn't quite sure where they should go. Any suggestions? Carolyn: > Perhaps they really belong with 3.16.4 Sorting process, since they > are largely guesses about which student belongs where? I don't know. The symbols for sex and house affiliation were known at the outset; the other symbol was up for debate and most concluded that it referred to pureblood, halfblood, or muggle-born. I was thinking either "3.5.2 Purebloods & half bloods" or "3.16.0 Hogwarts - General". Yes, no? -Kelly, enjoying the Bertie Botts beans Ginger gave her (there are either about 1000 or about 400 of them, depending on whether you choose to count in base 4 or base 5) From kking0731 at gmail.com Sun May 29 03:45:27 2005 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 03:45:27 -0000 Subject: Character's ages (again)/Hogwarts/Chess/Elkins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: I tend to put all chess discussions under 3.14.1 Wizard chess, including discussions of the McGonagall chess set from PS/SS (cross- ref to chapter as well). I figured it would be useful to have all the chess references together in some place for people such as the valiant hopefuls who put up that great knight2king4 site (or whatever it was called - KathySnow, you put me on to it in one of your posts..pity it's discredited already, but nothing ventured etc!). KathySnow: Yes, well once upon a time when I was a good little newbie, I looked up archives and Fantastic posts as was recommended. I kept a file of all my favorites that had great recommendations of posts to read which turned out to be all my favorite authors (most of whom are cataloguing for an effort that had better be appreciated by the forum). So in short, I can't take credit for the find, it was shared information. I believe it may have been Neri who turned me on to that thread and I was quite grateful for the insight, even though it turned out to be rewardingly discredited by the author most recently. The scenario was definitely do-able, imho, with many reserve canons. I wrote once about the same situation but substituted the twins as Albus and Aberforth (because if Ron was Albus where was Aberforth) as a better fit to the same proposal, most likely the post I referenced the Knight 2 King theory in. Sad to see the theory die though time- turning is not my greatest outlook for the ending despite my attempt at its use. Heading for the Hogs Head for a brew (I have friends in low places) Cheers! Snow Newer link to the Knight 2 King theory: http://www.knight2king.net/Knight2King/faq.html From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun May 29 20:47:53 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:47:53 -0000 Subject: UPDATE, Sunday May 29th Message-ID: PROGRESS As of today we have catalogued 56561 posts, and rejected 30974 of them (54.7% - up 0.1% from last week!!). Historically, we have passed the 50 000 post mark on the main list - sometimes never thought we'd get there; currently up to post 50300. This week, with six people coding we did 1169 posts. We have also completed 2 more reviews, bringing the total done to 54 out of 106 sections. CODING ERRORS Could you look at the reject status on: Dot - 38640 Debbie - 47564 MISC queries: Ginger: Any thoughts on this? We are coming up on the time when speculation will be running rampant, and I think we need to define (or at least come to some general agreement) on what is a prediction and should be coded and what is to be rejected. What do you all think? Carolyn: Boyd has provided a careful series of definitions for what goes in predictions, see Humungous Catalogue Definition files part 1, Text analysis in file section (a Word file). Ginger: I also rejected a lot of "who owns the Riddle house" posts, but I ran into a concern there. There were a few that I wanted to code, but only found the Riddle house under Geography. The description in the heading said only to code about location, not about what happened there, but I checked and found that of the 12 posts in that category, most were about who owned the Riddle house, so I went and added my 2 or 3 more to that. Should I have done that? Or is there a better way? Carolyn: This was the right thing to do, or at least that's how I use that code as well. There's no other easy place right now. I think we might have to change the definition of the main section from just Geography to something else eventually. Kelly (about JKR's notebook symbols): I don't know. The symbols for sex and house affiliation were known at the outset; the other symbol was up for debate and most concluded that it referred to pureblood, halfblood, or muggle-born. I was thinking either "3.5.2 Purebloods & half bloods" or "3.16.0 Hogwarts - General". Yes, no? Carolyn: I don't think we have a 'Hogwarts' general' code anymore, do we? Anyway, of the two I think 3.5.2 is better, but on the other hand, we don't know that's what the symbol means for sure. From mgrantwich at yahoo.com Sun May 29 22:56:31 2005 From: mgrantwich at yahoo.com (mgrantwich) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:56:31 -0000 Subject: Hello everyone Message-ID: Well, I thought it was time to post something as I've been reviewing the Filch thread for about three weeks now. I printed out the posts (30 pages worth, 10 point font) and went through them, making notes with my pen. My observations: 1. People who don't snip properly or adequately (or - especially - at all) should die. Period. 2. Some posts seem to have been coded just because a character's name is mentioned in it. Should I just worry about Filch codes and ignore the others? 3. Let's say someone asks a question and three people give pretty much the same answer. Just pick the best (IMO) answer? (I assume yes.) 4. If someone answers a question with a keeper answer, should the post asking the question be kept too for consistency? (I assume no, but just checking.) Interesting work. Nice to meet you all. Magda From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun May 29 23:15:12 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 16:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Hello everyone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050529231512.42865.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Madga's observations: 1. People who don't snip properly or adequately (or - especially - at all) should die. Period. Ginger: Amen to that. Same goes for people who just start in with their part of the post with no break from what they are quoting. And poepel hoo dont uze gud speling. 2. Some posts seem to have been coded just because a character's name is mentioned in it. Should I just worry about Filch codes and ignore the others? Ginger: I can tell you only what I did when reviewing: Worry only about your code (Filch) and let the others hang (unless you feel someone hit a wrong key by mistake-it happens). If it's Filchy, keep it, if not, uncode. Back in my early days of coding, I wanted to be a thourough little coder and hit everything that was mentioned in a post. I have now seen the grave error of my ways. Don't be afraid to uncode. 3. Let's say someone asks a question and three people give pretty much the same answer. Just pick the best (IMO) answer? (I assume yes.) Ginger: You got it. I reviewed the Ship categories. There is we 27 people saying the same thing. 4. If someone answers a question with a keeper answer, should the post asking the question be kept too for consistency? (I assume no, but just checking.) Ginger: Again, I can only answer for what I do, but if the question (or a reasonable amount thereof) appears in the answering post, delete the question. I got rid of tons of shop posts this way. It keeps things managable. Of course, if the question post also contains keeper stuff, then keep it. Welcome aboard, Magda, we're glad to have you! Your turn to bring treats (hint: Carolyn likes alcohol). Ginger, who was knocked for a loop today- Shipping posts with actual new stuff in them! Coded about 10, rejected about 1700. I said about. Give or take 1650 or so. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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What do you all think? Jen: I ran across several threads of predictions in my last batch and referred back to Boyd's discussion about coding to predictions (in the "category definition" files Carolyn compiled). Seems he said the canon posts should be coded for historical value, but pick the best ones of course. The non-canon ones, esp. lists of who would die, need to be coded very cautiously (if at all). This part *is* fun to read, esp. if you run across a rather Seer- like post. One post I had stated Sirius would die trying to save Harry during one of his reckless adventures. And in #49037, Sharana predicted we would see inside the MOM and St. Mungos in OOTP, and that there "should be a really good reason to force Harry to see the MOM." Pretty good! Ginger: > I also rejected a lot of "who owns the Riddle house" posts, but I ran > into a concern there. There were a few that I wanted to code, but > only found the Riddle house under Geography. The description in the > heading said only to code about location, not about what happened > there, but I checked and found that of the 12 posts in that category, > most were about who owned the Riddle house, so I went and added my 2 > or 3 more to that. Should I have done that? Or is there a better > way? Jen: There are several threads coded to Chap. 1 of GOF and I think that's the best place to leave them. A few may have slipped by me and remained coded under both the Geography section and the chapter. I'll review that section after GOF, since the content of Chap. 1 is still fresh in my mind, and separate out the geography ones from the ones discussing ownership. If they add something new to the chapter discussion, I'll re-code them to the chapter. Jen, just back from seeing Star Wars III and wondering again if anyone mentored Riddle to slide down that slippery slope since he wasn't 'born evil'. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 30 07:32:49 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:32:49 -0000 Subject: Shipping predictions... Message-ID: Yes, very unusual for me to comment on such topics, but moved to do so by the ever-reliable Eric Oppen. See his entertaining post 129706. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon May 30 08:00:41 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:00:41 -0000 Subject: Remus Lupin Message-ID: Hi, all, Ok, I know I'm going to come across as the Queen of the Techno- Illiterate Dork People (TM), but I looked under the files and the database sections to find what hasn't been reviewed yet, and they don't always match. Remus *seems* to have no one reviewing him or having reviewed him, or intending to review him. I thought I'd tackle him as I'm going to be out of town and away from my computer next weekend and thought I could print out his posts and review them then. (Taking a page out of Magda's book- Thanks, Magda. Wish I'd thought of that before! You always did strike me as bright.) So if you have done Remus, or are doing Remus or are thinking of doing Remus (no shipping thoughts-get your minds out of the gutters, now) please speak up and I will abandon this immediately and give you butterbeer. I put my name under him in the database, but have no idea how to edit the file (probably why the non-ship things I did aren't mentioned there). Going once...Going twice..... Ginger, needing to take a break from coding after rejecting a very long thread about how we post and how it effects others that was a true headache to read. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon May 30 08:11:59 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:11:59 -0000 Subject: Remus addendum Message-ID: Ok, I just realized that printing out the posts won't work on that many of them. I had no idea. But I'd still like to do the category. Oh, my, 24 pages for the first 33 posts. No, I don't have that much paper. Oh, dear. Ginger, befuddled and amazed. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 30 09:05:31 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:05:31 -0000 Subject: Remus Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > > So if you have done Remus, or are doing Remus or are thinking of > doing Remus (no shipping thoughts-get your minds out of the gutters, > now) please speak up and I will abandon this immediately and give you > butterbeer. I put my name under him in the database, but have no > idea how to edit the file (probably why the non-ship things I did > aren't mentioned there). > Carolyn: Not a problem, and thanks for, er, taking him on. When you say you can't edit the file, are you referring to the Word definition files? Unfortunately, they have to be updated by me and then re-uploaded. I have not found a way of setting up a doc that we can all edit, apart from the databases that we are currently using. If you meant the review allocation database, you just click on 'edit' in the right hand margin next to the Lupin section, and update as you have been doing in the coding database - same principle. Which non-ship things have you done that are not in the Word files? Rather guiltily I admit I have not updated them for a month or so, but ought to do so soon - was it the WW sections you reviewed? I thought I did put those in - there are three Word files of definitions to check. > > Ginger, needing to take a break from coding after rejecting a very > long thread about how we post and how it effects others that was a > true headache to read. Slight question - none of it belonged under 'reader response and subversive readings' ? Some of those discussions *can* be interesting I think. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon May 30 09:22:49 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:22:49 -0000 Subject: Hello everyone/Filch In-Reply-To: <20050529231512.42865.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Ginger wrote: > > > Madga's observations: > > 1. People who don't snip properly or adequately (or - especially - at > all) should die. Period. > > Ginger: Amen to that. Same goes for people who just start in with their part of the post with no break from what they are quoting. And poepel hoo dont uze gud speling. Carolyn: A lot of people should die. Period. So far we have killed over 30000 of their effusions, and counting. Keep up the good work. > > 2. Some posts seem to have been coded just because a character's name > is mentioned in it. Should I just worry about Filch codes and ignore > the others? > > Ginger: I can tell you only what I did when reviewing: Worry only about your code (Filch) and let the others hang (unless you feel someone hit a wrong key by mistake-it happens). If it's Filchy, keep it, if not, uncode. Back in my early days of coding, I wanted to be a thourough little coder and hit everything that was mentioned in a post. I have now seen the grave error of my ways. Don't be afraid to uncode. Carolyn: Yes, this is an important principle and why I thought you should start with a review section rather than leap into coding. You should mark to remove the Filch code from any posts where he is not the main subject, but has just been clicked in passing because he got a mention. However, it is hard to judge the relevance of other codes when you are concentrating on just one category, so on the whole I would leave them unless it seems obvious that they should not be there. The problem is that someone else reviewing for say, Snape, might want to keep something that is otherwise mainly about Filch just to preserve the run of a thread, or simply for the light it sheds on Snape. You just can't tell, unless you are reading all the Snape posts and by that point are thoroughly sick of all Snape+Filch speculations. So, unless very sure, don't try and assess any other categories other than the one you are immediately dealing with. > > 3. Let's say someone asks a question and three people give pretty > much the same answer. Just pick the best (IMO) answer? (I assume yes.) > > Ginger: You got it. I reviewed the Ship categories. There is we 27 people saying the same thing. > Carolyn: Yes, you can be fairly brutal in doing this. As you go on, you look more and more carefully for the posts that say something different, put a new spin on an old question. Jungle justice - those that said it first tend to keep the glory, others have to be better to be kept. However, having said this, you might decide to keep an entire new thread on an old topic just because it winds its way to some different conclusions, is simply funnier, cleverer and better put because of the people involved second (or zillionth) time round. > 4. If someone answers a question with a keeper answer, should the > post asking the question be kept too for consistency? (I assume no, > but just checking.) > > Ginger: Again, I can only answer for what I do, but if the question (or a reasonable amount thereof) appears in the answering post, delete the question. I got rid of tons of shop posts this way. It keeps things managable. Of course, if the question post also contains keeper stuff, then keep it. > Carolyn: Yes, try and do this wherever possible, as it cuts out a lot of repetition. > Welcome aboard, Magda, we're glad to have you! Your turn to bring treats (hint: Carolyn likes alcohol). > Trust me, it's the only way to approach cataloguing. Considered soberly, the full madness of the project is somewhat daunting. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Mon May 30 11:20:23 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:20:23 -0000 Subject: TBAY Hello everyone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interior/Morning: The cataloguing office. The staff are on coffee break. Magda rises from her new desk and stretches, then ambles over to the biscuit tin. Magda: People who don't snip properly or adequately (or - especially - at all) should die. Period. Ginger: Amen to that. Same goes for people who just start in with their part of the post with no break from what they are quoting. And poepel hoo dont uze gud speling. Carolyn: A lot of people should die. Period. So far we have killed over 30000 of their effusions, and counting. Keep up the good work. (There is a crash from a dark corner of the room as Dungrollin falls off her chair in shock) Dung: Erm... Carolyn? Miss? Chief? Have I been misreading your accent? They're *full stops*. Full stop. (Everyone ignores Dung) Ginger (jovially): Welcome aboard, Magda, we're glad to have you! Your turn to bring treats (hint: Carolyn likes alcohol). Carolyn: Trust me, it's the only way to approach cataloguing. Considered soberly, the full madness of the project is somewhat daunting. Dung: Aha. It all begins to make sense. Miss got plastered one night and said "Hey, I've got this *greaaat* idea..." (general tutting, and rolling of eyes, as if Miss would do something like that... and, even if she *would*, as if anyone would be unwise enough to snigger about it in public) Dung: Hello Magda, and welcome. (Dung takes Magda aside) Dung (stage whisper): Listen, some advice... Miss is the boss, do what she says or she gets scary. (Looks around) Well, some of the cataloguers are quite scary too. Oh, and pick an implement for post- rejection. I think sword, cutlass, machete - all the stylish ones have gone. I ended up with a chainsaw. Not too much finesse, but blimey - it gets through them like a hot knife through erm... you know. Once you get it started up, at least - the motor's got a bit of a cough... it... erm... (Dung becomes aware of a pair of eyes boring into her back) Dung: Er... Well I've been really busy... Haven't had the chance to do any cataloguing... (winces, remembering the List Of Pathetic Excuses post) ...Better get back to work. Dot Scoffing Hobnobs in a thunderstorm. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Mon May 30 11:52:09 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:52:09 -0000 Subject: Trio stuff Message-ID: Can I get a bit of clarification on the difference between 1.2.11.7 Trio dynamics and 2.17.2 Trio Ships? Basically, what do we do with posts which are about Trio dynamics in the context of potential ships? I don't want to code to both. I'd say that most of this thread about Ron and Hermione's banter (starting at 50601) should go under dynamics, but then I'd end up putting all posts that I'm not rejecting (on the basis that they have canon support) in dynamics, and nothing in ships. Thoughts? Have we been over this and I've forgotten? Ta, Dot From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon May 30 14:47:29 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:47:29 -0000 Subject: Hello everyone/Filch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn: > However, it is hard to judge the relevance of other codes when you > are concentrating on just one category, so on the whole I would leave > them unless it seems obvious that they should not be there. The > problem is that someone else reviewing for say, Snape, might want to > keep something that is otherwise mainly about Filch just to preserve > the run of a thread, or simply for the light it sheds on Snape. You > just can't tell, unless you are reading all the Snape posts and by > that point are thoroughly sick of all Snape+Filch speculations. > > So, unless very sure, don't try and assess any other categories other > than the one you are immediately dealing with. Jen: While doing the chapter reviews, esp. GOF which is huge, I do run across posts coded to a chapter plus character codes (or other sections) which I've rejected. For one thing, I get to see the other posts in the thread and other threads later on, so I know it's said better somewhere else. For another thing, since many of the reviews are hanging, in my mind the post may not be seen by anyone else prior to the launch and therefore it seems better to deal with it now. Maybe I've overstepped my bounds here. The bottom line is we won't be able to code enough posts AND finish the review if we want to launch prior to HBP. We just don't have enough people coding right now. I wanted to finish the GOF review to complete the chapter sections, but from now on out my priority will be coding. In theory I agree completelyu with Carolyn, that in reviewing posts we shouldn't presume to know more than another coder would know about his/her section and make unilateral decisions. But in principle when I run across a post where the person doing the review is tied up in RL and can't get back or has disappeared, and I know I may be the last person to deal with that post before we open up to the public, well....I figured a unilateral decision is better than no decision. Jen From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon May 30 19:10:36 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:10:36 -0000 Subject: Hello everyone/Filch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen: > In theory I agree completely with Carolyn, that in reviewing posts > we shouldn't presume to know more than another coder would know > about his/her section and make unilateral decisions. But in > principle .... Responding to my own post. What I meant here was agreeing with Carolyn in theory but not in 'practice'. Just to reiterate, we don't know where some people are in their reveiws, and I *should* only review and un-code the category I'm in. But in reality it's difficult to leave a post a post alone when I know it may not be reviewed by launch time. Esp. if it doesn't look coded correctly, is overcoded, or is in need of rejection. I'm placing my subjective view on the posts without looking at the category, true. The alternative seems to be letting the posts languish until they're reviewed. But others may not agree with this and if so, I'll stop un-coding anything but my own category when reviewing. Jen, a bit grumpy during this GOF review. :( From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon May 30 22:21:06 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Remus Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050530222106.44528.qmail@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> carolynwhite2 wrote: Carolyn: Not a problem, and thanks for, er, taking him on. When you say you can't edit the file, are you referring to the Word definition files? Unfortunately, they have to be updated by me and then re-uploaded. I have not found a way of setting up a doc that we can all edit, apart from the databases that we are currently using. Ginger: The one I looked at in "files" was a whole list from top to bottom that had the category#, name, definition, and reviewer name. The ones I did were the pets-TWT. They were empty. Carolyn: If you meant the review allocation database, you just click on 'edit' in the right hand margin next to the Lupin section, and update as you have been doing in the coding database - same principle. Ginger: Did that one! I put my name in. > > Ginger, needing to take a break from coding after rejecting a very > long thread about how we post and how it effects others that was a > true headache to read. Carolyn: Slight question - none of it belonged under 'reader response and subversive readings' ? Some of those discussions *can* be interesting I think. Ginger: It was a rather tedious thread that started with some posts that I did code there, but degenerated to "you're not talking about me, are you" "well, not you, but..." "I post that way" "I didn't mean to offend you" "well so and so posts that way and I think it's valid" "well my feelings were hurt last fall, so I'm sensitive" "I'm sorry" "me too" "I'm sorry too" "me too, really sorry" etc. I started rejecting when it got past valid posting styles. There were a couple that maybe could have been kept, but these were really long posts and the part that could have been kept was in the middle of an un-snipped snipe-fest. If I recall, I did keep one of the later ones attempting to explain things and smooth feathers. Oddly enough, it started out with a really good post that I thought about reposting on the list now, but after what it turned into, and the current list dynamics, I thought twice. Ginger, heading toward Lupinland --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It did start out as a really cool thread, and lots of it was amusing. General rule: if they're talking about romance (for or against) it goes to ships. If they're talking about their interaction as friends, trio dynamics. As I said, there's a lot of overlap. Best, Ginger, who has dibs on the weedwacker as weapon of choice. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm placing my subjective view on the posts without looking at the category, true. The alternative seems to be letting the posts languish until they're reviewed. But others may not agree with this and if so, I'll stop un-coding anything but my own category when reviewing. Ginger adds: I did quite a bit of uncoding of others when I did ships. If I had 25 posts that say that Ron is jealous of Krum that were coded to ships, Ron, Herm and Krum, and I kept, say, 7 of them, I totally rejected the others, including the Ron, Herm, and Krum categories. If I knew it had been said there 25 times, why not make it 7? The only things I uncoded were obvious errors. Like a code to Snape in one of those R/K/H posts where he wasn't even alluded to. The check was a mistake. This was, however, the exception, not the rule. Ginger, gonna be late for work if she doesn't get moving! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Posts can basically be divided into four categories: 1) Admission process posts: no change 2) School population posts: drop 3.16.3 and add 3.16.3.2 3) Reject group 1: drop 3.16.3 4) Reject group 2: drop 3.16.3, add 0.0.5 and reject marker Any way to automate this? ---------------------- To review or to code ---------------------- Would you prefer me to continue reviewing the rest of my sections (Sorting process, School discipline, and Teachers, plus subcategories) or go back to coding? I'd like to finish my reviews now. I won't be able to do any reviewing once I go to sea, since my version of the catalogue will be static (I can add category changes like last time, but won't be able to see newly coded posts or the results of others' reviews). However, the post counts of my remaining categories are a bit daunting... Sorting process: 343 in main, 1101 in subcategories School discipline: 73 in main, 133 in subcategory Teachers: 147 in main, 378 in subcategories If I dive into the review, I probably won't code very much (I'll still do some, since I find it difficult to review at work, but can fit in a little coding now and then). However, once out on the boat, I'll pick up the coding pace quite a bit over my current rate. I think it's important that we finish as many reviews as possible by launch date. Actually, I think finishing the reviews is more important than reaching our thereshold OoP post before launching the catalogue. Adding new categories will obviously be necessary post-launch, as the final two books are published and new characters and topics are introduced. But we should try to avoid any reorganization and redefining of the categoies that already exist, since this could be annoying and confusing to the catalogue users. ---------------------- Other stuff ---------------------- On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do you learn to spell by sound rather than letter? My sister works in a popular destination for British tourists (well, tourists of all nationality, really, but half of the UK seems to migrate there at certain times of the year). And she's noticed that when she asks young kids to spell their names, they don't use letters, but sounds. For example, my name would be k at -e-@l- at l-j@ rather than keI-i:-el-el-waI. Is this a widespread technique for learning to spell over there? And on another slightly off-topic note, abovementioned sister was visiting me this weekend, and we got into a HP discussion, at which point I noticed just how far beyond the normal range of HP obsession I have journeyed. She's a big fan and has read the books multiple times. But she didn't realize there was a huge internal inconsistancy about the number of students at Hogwarts... never realized that if we assumed a large Weasley age gap and if we filled that gap with a missing son, then Ron is a seventh son and that just might imply he's a seer... passed right over Mark Evans without a second glance... had no clue who Florence was. Hmmm... -Kelly From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon May 30 23:05:23 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:05:23 -0000 Subject: Mass movement, to review or to code, and other stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kelly: > On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do you > learn to spell by sound rather than letter? My sister works in a > popular destination for British tourists (well, tourists of all > nationality, really, but half of the UK seems to migrate there at > certain times of the year). And she's noticed that when she asks > young kids to spell their names, they don't use letters, but sounds. > For example, my name would be k at -e-@l- at l-j@ rather than > keI-i:-el-el-waI. Is this a widespread technique for learning to > spell over there? Jen: I think that's true in much of America too, learning to spell phonetically first. My son who just finished Kinder was encouraged to journal every day, writing words and sentences with 'creative spelling' where they attempt to spell words based on how they sound rather than worrying about spelling them correctly. Is that what you're talking about, Kelly? Re: names though, they definitely learned how to spell their first and last names by letter rather than by sound. Kelly: > And on another slightly off-topic note, abovementioned sister was > visiting me this weekend, and we got into a HP discussion, at which > point I noticed just how far beyond the normal range of HP obsession I > have journeyed. She's a big fan and has read the books multiple > times. But she didn't realize there was a huge internal inconsistancy > about the number of students at Hogwarts... never realized that if we > assumed a large Weasley age gap and if we filled that gap with a > missing son, then Ron is a seventh son and that just might imply he's > a seer... passed right over Mark Evans without a second glance... had > no clue who Florence was. Hmmm... Jen: It's weird when you realize you've crossed over to a different level than the average fan walking around. My time came when my sis- in-law asked to borrow POA becuase she'd "watched COS" and was ready for the next installment. What?!? That *hardly* counts as being ready for POA. ;) By comparison, when watching "Return of the Sith" yesterday, I was able to enjoy it completely for entertainment value and had no interest in dissecting the many plot inconsistencies that must be there. I'm sure websites across the Internet are analyzing every single detail at the moment. But no, just give me the story of how Anakin turned evil and I'm happy. From kakearney at comcast.net Mon May 30 23:29:23 2005 From: kakearney at comcast.net (corinthum) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:29:23 -0000 Subject: Mass movement, to review or to code, and other stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Me: > > On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do > you > > learn to spell by sound rather than letter? My sister works in a > > popular destination for British tourists (well, tourists of all > > nationality, really, but half of the UK seems to migrate there at > > certain times of the year). And she's noticed that when she asks > > young kids to spell their names, they don't use letters, but > sounds. > > For example, my name would be k at -e-@l- at l-j@ rather than > > keI-i:-el-el-waI. Is this a widespread technique for learning to > > spell over there? Jen: I think that's true in much of America too, learning to spell > phonetically first. My son who just finished Kinder was encouraged > to journal every day, writing words and sentences with 'creative > spelling' where they attempt to spell words based on how they sound > rather than worrying about spelling them correctly. Is that what > you're talking about, Kelly? No, I mean that they have alternate names for each letter, based on how they sound. My sister first noticed it because she often tries to verify name spellings before writing them. When she asked a young British girl ("Is that spelled so-and-so"), the girl said no, and proceeded to rattle off her own phonetic version. The girl's mother then told my sister that she had it right the first time. My sister has since noticed several children do this, and noticed that those who do are British. We decided that it makes sense, since it's easier to associate /w@/ with the letter "w" than /dV b at l ju/, and then match the proper name with the letter later. -Kelly From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue May 31 12:34:13 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:34:13 -0000 Subject: Lupin Query: take 2 Message-ID: Ok, I'm not sure if the first one of these erased or sent. The darn thing just vanished from my screen, but here goes again. I noticed that the Lupin section has a "ESE!Lupin" and a "Good!Lupin" category. I had understood that ESE categories were to be arguements both for and against a character being ESE. Currently there are 62 posts in ESE, and 9 in Good, with 5 of these being coded to both. I noticed Snape has the same thing. How are we figuring this out? I know that in coding, I have only run into Good in respense to ESE, so I have coded to ESE. Do we code to whichever set the ball rolling first? And in reviewing, how do we determine this if some previous posts have been rejected? Any thoughts or assistance would be appreciated. And if my first message didn't send, I'll reiterate that there is Butterbeer and Ogden's in the refridgerator from my last trip to the HH. One last thing: I do intend to keep coding. This sudden urge to review is mostly because I have had several batches of posts in a row and I think we need some fresh eyeballs looking at the longer threads. I get to a point where I have heard it all before once things start getting circular and rejecting everything that has been said before. Fresh eyeballs may save something that a reviewer may think is said better that the 23 times I have heard it. On this note, Carolyn, I misspoke the other day when I said I had rejected an entire thread. I meant that I had rejected the entire portion of the thread in my most recent batch. Portions before that were coded. Sorry I didn't say what I meant. Ginger, off to the chiropracter. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue May 31 14:55:20 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Trio stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050531145520.67448.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dot: Argh. But there's been no romance between Ron and Hermione yet, so does it also effectively equate to 'with canon'/'without canon' (which as a non-shipper I don't have any problem with...) It's all using the evidence from the books (their interactions as friends) to hypothesise about romantic potential. I think I'll code to both, for now, if it swings one way or the other later in the thread I'll drop a code. Ginger: Aaaaaargh, I was clear as mud! Let's try it again. If the poster is trying to argue for or against a romantic connection between any members of the trio, either now, or in future books, or in the epilogue, it goes to Trio Ships. If they are talking about how the friends interact as friends, it goes to Trio Dynamics. This includes a lot of discussions where the Trio is compared to the Id, Ego and Superego, or to body, soul and mind, or to Earth, Wind and Fire. You get the idea. Anyway, if the post is about the friendship, it goes here. Whew. I need sleep. Ginger, off to bed. Thanks, Dot --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Catalogue-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue May 31 20:48:59 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:48:59 -0000 Subject: Project thingummy/Definitions files/snipe-fests/auto re-numbering/kids/Lupin Message-ID: Jen: Maybe I've overstepped my bounds here. The bottom line is we won't be able to code enough posts AND finish the review if we want to launch prior to HBP. .. when I run across a post where the person doing the review is tied up in RL and can't get back or has disappeared, and I know I may be the last person to deal with that post before we open up to the public, well....I figured a unilateral decision is better than no decision. Kelly: I think it's important that we finish as many reviews as possible by launch date. But we should try to avoid any reorganization and redefining of the categoies that already exist, since this could be annoying and confusing to the catalogue users. I'd like to finish my reviews now. I won't be able to do any reviewing once I go to sea, since my version of the catalogue will be static (I can add category changes like last time, but won't be able to see newly coded posts or the results of others' reviews). However, the post counts of my remaining categories are a bit daunting... Carolyn (sighing rather gloomily): I am pretty nervous about launching the catalogue unless every category has been checked and cleaned up relatively recently - particularly the very large ones (and yes, I am guilty of losing the will to live on Voldemort, I will finish it). I also think that changes as we go along will be inevitable even once launched, and the users will just have to live with it. I am hoping that Paul's and Tim's interface will be clever enough to morph along with our changes - ie, be driven by the real categories we are using. Providing that there is always an up to date definition associated with a particularly category, so that users can click on to check what is in it, hopefully that will be self-explanatory enough. It's a tall order, to finish up to GOF, review all the sections *and* hope that Paul and Tim get their stuff done by 16th July. Probably we should moderate our expectations somewhat. I am chasing various people offlist to see if we can get a bigger team on the project again, but RL etc.. It sounds to me, Kelly, that it might be better if you stayed with the reviews for now if that will be difficult to do on board. Although I suppose you could have a pleasantly fiendish time going through and making decisions on posts in a section, and then emailing me a list for someone else to do the actual shifting about! ************ Ginger: The one I looked at in "files" was a whole list from top to bottom that had the category#, name, definition, and reviewer name. The ones I did were the pets-TWT. They were empty. Carolyn: The files you should have been looking at probably are three Word files about three-quarters of the way down the list called, respectively: REVISED DEFINITIONS, Section 1 Text Analysis REVISED DEFINITONS, Section 2 Character Analysis REVISED DEFINITIONS, Section 3 WW ********** Ginger: I started rejecting when it got past valid posting styles. There were a couple that maybe could have been kept, but these were really long posts and the part that could have been kept was in the middle of an un-snipped snipe-fest. If I recall, I did keep one of the later ones attempting to explain things and smooth feathers. Oddly enough, it started out with a really good post that I thought about reposting on the list now, but after what it turned into, and the current list dynamics, I thought twice. Carolyn, mildly intrigued: What was the argument about? Who were the protagonists? ********** Kelly: Is there a way to recode a long list of posts without doing it manually post by post? I've started moving posts from the Admission process category to their new homes, but it may take a while, and is mind-numbingly tedious. Posts can basically be divided into four categories: 1) Admission process posts: no change 2) School population posts: drop 3.16.3 and add 3.16.3.2 3) Reject group 1: drop 3.16.3 4) Reject group 2: drop 3.16.3, add 0.0.5 and reject marker Any way to automate this? Carolyn: Unfortunately, not very easily. Paul is able to remove a post category en masse from a given section (as I have recently asked him to do on Kathy's character ages section - I have asked him to take 1.2.12 off of all posts remaining in that section, so effectively it will end up with zero posts). In your second example, if *all* the posts currently in 3.16.3 should now be 3.16.3.2, then I can do that for you. But there is no way of automating the rejects that you mention, the only way you could do it was if they were in a separate section to start with, which would take as long as doing the rejecting probably. *********** On a completely unrelated and off-topic note, to all you Brits, do you learn to spell by sound rather than letter? I mean that they have alternate names for each letter, based on how they sound. And on another slightly off-topic note, abovementioned sister was visiting me this weekend, and we got into a HP discussion, at which point I noticed just how far beyond the normal range of HP obsession I have journeyed. Carolyn: Do you know, I can't remember for the life of me how I learnt to spell. Since it was nearly half a century ago (OMG...) I suspect we did it the traditional way by copying words off the blackboard. I have no recall of a phonetic approach at all, but I can remember as clear as day the moment I first learnt to read properly. I was about 4 or 5 I think and standing at my teacher's desk, and suddenly it all just clicked and I read a whole page to her. Had my nose in a book ever since. Hm, on the topic of children, as you may know I lead a sheltered life (ie avoid 'em like the plague), but saw a friend recently who insists on producing them at regular intervals, and joy, the eldest (now 11) said he'd read HP. Aha, I thought, a member of the target audience. Enthusiastically I started questioning him what he thought of OOP, hoping for juvenile insights into What It Was All About. He just looked at me scathingly and said HP was *so* last year..and his mother said they'd never bothered to buy OOP. Crushed or what. *********** Ginger: I noticed that the Lupin section has a "ESE!Lupin" and a "Good!Lupin" category. I had understood that ESE categories were to be arguements both for and against a character being ESE. Currently there are 62 posts in ESE, and 9 in Good, with 5 of these being coded to both. I noticed Snape has the same thing. How are we figuring this out? I know that in coding, I have only run into Good in respense to ESE, so I have coded to ESE. Do we code to whichever set the ball rolling first? And in reviewing, how do we determine this if some previous posts have been rejected? Carolyn: Frankly m'dear, we'll need to make some decisions what to do about all this. The reason there are ESE! and Good! categories under Lupin and Snape in particular was because it was a way of sub-dividing the seemingly endless list of acronyms. They often split into the two camps quite nicely. Of course, in the actual threads relating to the acronyms there are posts arguing both ways. Also, with Lupin in particular, I am very keen that we get all of Pippin's ESE!Lupin posts in one place. You have to watch out very carefully for these, because they weren't necessarily called that at the beginning. There are also other posts there not by her, but acting as precursors to her theory. I think they are very interesting to read in that context, plus sundry others who have come to the same conclusions. I think the principle I would adopt is to try and keep threads together that relate to acronyms. Where there are posts that don't relate to any acronym in particular, but fall into either good or ESE, I would allocate them accordingly. There are also probably other posts on other topics relating to Lupin which you might like to come up with some new headings for - eg relating to his lycanthropy. There is also going to be a further issue relating to discussions of Shrieking Shack II - whether he didn't take his potion deliberately or not. There are hundreds of posts about that. Can't remember if they should be in the chapter refs or not (check Jen's list of rules). This section is undoubtedly a big challenge. I'll email Talisman and see if I can get her to consider what to do with Snape, since it's a similar problem. >>I'll reiterate that there is Butterbeer and Ogden's in the refridgerator from my last trip to the HH. >>Ginger, off to the chiropracter. Now you're talking. Sounds like you could do with a slug of Ogden's yourself for you back. Kneasy swears by it...literally. Carolyn From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue May 31 22:26:37 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Definitions files/snipe-fests/Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050531222637.51284.qmail@web30215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Carolyn: The files you should have been looking at probably are three Word files about three-quarters of the way down the list called, respectively: REVISED DEFINITIONS, Section 1 Text Analysis REVISED DEFINITONS, Section 2 Character Analysis REVISED DEFINITIONS, Section 3 WW Ginger: Ok, I think I did look in those and there was nothing on Lupin. Which makes sense as no one has reviewed him to revise the definition. ********** Carolyn, mildly intrigued: What was the argument about? Who were the protagonists? Ginger: You know, I read the whole thing, and am still confused. It started with a good post by Amy Z. Elkins and Ebony responded (I forget in which order). One responding to Amy, the other to the first response to Amy. No snipping done at all, and you know how these 3 can write. Then people started repeating the 3rd post with "I agree with _____" interspersed (begin rejections). Somewhere someone started snipping and something was misattributed and the upshot (no idea how it happened, and I read the posts) was that Ebony thought that Elkins was saying that Ebony's 2-part Yule Brawl analysis (which I coded and was chock full of great canon interpretation) was too long and too far off canon. This coming on the heels of the Crouch Novena set Ebony off. Apparently Elkins didn't respond immediately, so Eileen and others popped in to defend Elkins and by the time Elkins got back into it, Amy had missed several posts and misinterpreted something. Both Ebony and Elkins thought Amy was talking about their respective posts and there was some accusation on the part of someone (I was thouroughly confused by this time) about hijacking the thread to talk about her own post and going off the topic of the thread, which resulted in a discussion of whether or not it was valid to reply to a single section of a post rather than the whole thing. Pippin and Penny and pretty much everyone else that starts with a P (exageration on my part) stepped in and there were apologies and reviews of what happened which apparently made sense to them, though I was long lost by this point. And they all lived happily ever after. The end. ********** Carolyn: Frankly m'dear, we'll need to make some decisions what to do about all this. The reason there are ESE! and Good! categories under Lupin and Snape in particular was because it was a way of sub-dividing the seemingly endless list of acronyms. They often split into the two camps quite nicely. Of course, in the actual threads relating to the acronyms there are posts arguing both ways. Ginger: Aha! Now it all makes sense. Although the Ogden's may have something to do with my sense of clarity. Carolyn: Also, with Lupin in particular, I am very keen that we get all of Pippin's ESE!Lupin posts in one place. (snip) I think the principle I would adopt is to try and keep threads together that relate to acronyms. Where there are posts that don't relate to any acronym in particular, but fall into either good or ESE, I would allocate them accordingly. There are also probably other posts on other topics relating to Lupin which you might like to come up with some new headings for - eg relating to his lycanthropy. There is also going to be a further issue relating to discussions of Shrieking Shack II - whether he didn't take his potion deliberately or not. There are hundreds of posts about that. Can't remember if they should be in the chapter refs or not (check Jen's list of rules). This section is undoubtedly a big challenge. I'll email Talisman and see if I can get her to consider what to do with Snape, since it's a similar problem. Ginger: I wanted this category for 2 reasons. I love Lupin and I think he is the huggiest bunny in the bunch and wouldn't hurt a fly. I also think that ESE!Lupin is the most amazing reading of canon I have seen for proving something that I will never believe. Pippin has almost had me yelling "I see the light!" on more than one occasion. Then I return to my senses. I wanted to see all of those posts in one place, in some sembelance of order and read them all. As that seems to be your vision, this should be a fruitful excersize for both of us. I won't promise that it will be done in the next couple of weeks, but it will be done by the end of June (giving myself a goal) for sure. Any future input/suggestions are welcome (from anyone, not just Carolyn). Ginger, off to work and wishing this was my job. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: