From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 12:29:29 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:29:29 -0000 Subject: Done! Message-ID: <df6s79+5eru@eGroups.com> Ginger smiles and hands in her finished project. Magic travel: was 598, now 342 My only comment is about portkeys. There were a lot of "why didn't Moody use a fillintheblank, which could have been used at any time, rather than using the cup?" If the discussion was about turning an object into a portkey, I kept it. If it was about what LV intended to do had he defeated Harry, and had precious little to do with portkeys, I uncoded it. The ones I uncoded were all coded to places that were more appropriate. It was kind of a fine line, and I erred on the side of keeping them. Oh, yes, and re: apparating and disappatating- you can't do it at Hogwarts. Hermione says so. It's in Hogwarts: A History. We know that. No need to code any more posts that say that in their entirety. It's kind of like Lupin means wolf. I will now endeavour to review Magical Items, unless anyone objects. Unless I am mistaken, the remaining topics yet to be reviewed are: Pronunciation/Speech patterns Symbolism and Runes (some of which has been done by Laurasia-check the database) Morality vs Immorality Death/Burial practices Parenting/ Maturity vs immaturity WW Health through Media (note that Dot has done squibs) Bravery/Cowerdace and fear Geographic locations Corrections? Ginger, noting that we're getting close! From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Sep 1 14:11:13 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:11:13 -0000 Subject: connection down/have you fixed it?/OI YOU LOT In-Reply-To: <deqg4g+snip@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <df7261+itjh@eGroups.com> > Annoyed, Miss Havisham winds up the tannoy: > > OI, YOU MISERABLE LOT, HOLIDAYS COMING TO AN END! > > THAT INCLUDES THE IT SUPPORT STAFF! WHAT'S ALL THIS RUBBISH ABOUT > DIGGING UP THE ROAD..REALLY YOU ARE JUST REBUILDING YOUR COMPUTER FOR > FUN, ADMIT IT.. Jen wandered into the catalogue office a day late and, as usual, a dollar short. She looked a little...different. Still in pajamas, slumped over from carrying the entire canon around for quick reference, her eyes downcast and dejected. She had a six-pack of Butterbeer slung on her back and the tolerance of Winky, apparently, from the way she weaved through the office, hiccuping. She spotted Ginger at her desk. "Thank god, Ginger! I can't take it anymore. They're saying R.A.B is just *Regulus*, and Harry's eyes? We may already know their significance, to get that damn memory from Slughorn. What happened to our little Rowena Amy Benson? All the THEORIES?" She flung her hands over her eyes, wailing, and in the process dropped the heavy books all over the floor. Ginger winced, wondering just how many days in a row Jen had spent glued to the computer drinking Butterbeer, trawling the lists in hopes of finding a shiny new theory somewhere, something to take her mind off the fear.....the fear that everything was going to be exactly as it seemed after HBP. Straightforward, JKR said. *Straightforward* of all things, and she seemed to mean it. "There, there, pull yourself together Wink--, I mean, Jen. Miss will be back any time, she's in a ferocious temper from having to actually go into the office to work, not to mention a technology breakdown. *Several* breakdowns." Ginger shuddered as she imagined the state Miss Havisham might be in after the supposed holiday. Ginger gently removed the Butterbeer from Jen's back and steered her to her spidery cupboard. "There, there, you sleep it off dear. I'll tell Miss you're, erm, deep in thought about the importance of the catalogue and can't be disturbed." Jen gave Ginger a grateful, watery smile, fell unsteadily into her chair and gently lay her head down on the dusty pile of papers. "There's still the dragon blood..." Jen whispered hopefully, as she drifted off to sleep. Jen, giving up on theorizing for the moment and back to work on Characterization. Much belated thanks to Ginger for putting the database in order! From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 15:21:24 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0000 Subject: MY connection's down Message-ID: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com> Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all morning. I'm trying: http://67.174.174.185:443 Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old one before)? Should I email Paul? Can I spell it "connexion" when I'm here? :D ~Anne deaf in one ear from the tannoy, happy for Regulus, but quite unhappy about parts of that Memerson interview... From ewetoo at gmail.com Thu Sep 1 16:00:12 2005 From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 02:00:12 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] MY connection's down In-Reply-To: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com> References: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20050901160012.GB7371@4dot0.net> On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 03:21:24PM -0000, annemehr wrote: > Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all > morning. I'm trying: > > http://67.174.174.185:443 > > Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old > one before)? Should I email Paul? > > Can I spell it "connexion" when I'm here? :D I got in without a problem. Perhaps Paul was burping it. Can I code something, Miss Haversham? My time at this residence is likely to be limited to another month, and I have no idea at the moment if I will be online continuously after that. So may as well be useful while I can (fingers crossed tho). ewe2, wondering what interview this one is?! -- "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Sep 1 20:37:48 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:37:48 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. Message-ID: <df7oqs+h7go@eGroups.com> Ginger smiles and hands in her finished project. Magic travel: was 598, now 342 C - what a hero, thanks... I will now endeavour to review Magical Items, unless anyone objects. Ginger: Unless I am mistaken, the remaining topics yet to be reviewed are: Pronunciation/Speech patterns Symbolism and Runes (some of which has been done by Laurasia-check the database) Morality vs Immorality Death/Burial practices Parenting/ Maturity vs immaturity WW Health through Media (note that Dot has done squibs) Bravery/Cowerdace and fear Geographic locations Corrections? Ginger, noting that we're getting close! Carolyn: Feel free to pick another topic. My thought at the moment is to finish the review before moving on. I have mailed Paul and Tim to find out what is happening on the UI (not a lot I fear). I think we should try and launch what we have done so far... ****** Jen: "Thank god, Ginger! I can't take it anymore. They're saying R.A.B is just *Regulus*, and Harry's eyes? We may already know their significance, to get that damn memory from Slughorn. What happened to our little Rowena Amy Benson? All the THEORIES?" She flung her hands over her eyes, wailing, and in the process dropped the heavy books all over the floor. Ginger winced, wondering just how many days in a row Jen had spent glued to the computer drinking Butterbeer, trawling the lists in hopes of finding a shiny new theory somewhere, something to take her mind off the fear.....the fear that everything was going to be exactly as it seemed after HBP. Straightforward, JKR said. *Straightforward* of all things, and she seemed to mean it. C.. yeah, boring isn't it? I've had the same ever-increasing suspicion ever since OOP, and that her plotting skills are dodgy, too be charitable. Still you religious moralists can have a field day, can't you. The world's children can sleep safe in their beds, secure in the knowledge that JKR is going to do the Right Thing by y'all. Yawn. ****** Anne: Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all morning. I'm trying: http://67.174.174.185:443 Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old one before)? Should I email Paul? C - the catalogue address you are using is correct, and I just went in, so it is working ok - please email Paul if you have continuing problems getting in. ~Anne deaf in one ear from the tannoy, happy for Regulus, but quite unhappy about parts of that Memerson interview... C - huh, what's good about Regulus? It creaks ..which one was the Memerson interview?? The one the shippers were winging about? ******** Sean: Can I code something, Miss Haversham? My time at this residence is likely to be limited to another month, and I have no idea at the moment if I will be online continuously after that. So may as well be useful while I can (fingers crossed tho). ewe2, wondering what interview this one is?! C - would really rather you reviewed please Sean, rather than start the OOP posts. How about Death/Burial practices from Ginger's list above? A nice, pleasantly warming topic for late Aug.. BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' by Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). They are a black, black send up of Raymond Chandler in essence, but brilliantly funny. The thing non- Brits have to understand is that Aberystwth is the Swindon/Reading of Wales - a complete non-entity of a seaside Welsh town, absolutely terminably forgettable. Oh, and that the Welsh are the butt of all otherwise Belgian jokes. Pryce has written this fantastically sinister escapade where the whole place is run by gangster Druids and dangerous cleaning ladies, notably Mrs Llantrisant, who ends up dropping a dam-buster bouncing bomb on a Welsh reservoir. It is side-splittingly, achingly funny, but you may have needed to have done your degree in Cardiff, as I did to fully appreciate the wickedness of it. In the new one he has international gossip tournamounts, where old bags vie to dish the most dirt on their neighbours, a cartel stitching up the doily market and old witches in stovepipe hats with a nice line in titanium spinning wheels... chortle chortle ********** Dot: She grabs a post-it note and scribbles: "Dear Miss, I have got a big fat horrid PhD viva in <<swallows hard and goes faintly green>> 9 days. Will call you when the hangover subsides. Best, Dung." C - Hey, I hope it goes well.. How about lunch ? I'm in Chiswick and thus south of the river far too often for comfort these days. Let me know. Carolyn . From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 08:51:05 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:51:05 -0000 Subject: Foe Glass Message-ID: <dfbo5p+mbuq@eGroups.com> Hidey-ho folks! Just popping in with a comment mostly directed at Talisman. I am reviewing Magical Items, and found 4 posts about the Foe Glass under the main heading. I moved them to Dark Detectors, which is Talisman's field, and marked them with review coding and a note in the bottom box that I had moved them. I just thought they belonged there and wanted to give a heads-up in case Talisman was working on that category at this time, or had finished it and wanted to go back and check that they weren't "adds nothing new" posts in that category. Ginger, happy as a clam today, having received word that her cousin has been safely evacuated from New Orleans. (She's a nurse and stayed behind to help.) From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Sat Sep 3 11:49:43 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:49:43 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <df7oqs+h7go@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dfc2kn+o2n1@eGroups.com> Carolyn: > BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily > recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' by Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). Dot: Is the sequel as good as the first one? Ever read any Connie Willis? I quite enjoyed "To Say Nothing of the Dog." > Dot: > She grabs a post-it note and scribbles: "Dear Miss, I have got a big fat horrid PhD viva in <<swallows hard and goes faintly green>> 9 > days. Will call you when the hangover subsides. Best, Dung." > > C - Hey, I hope it goes well.. How about lunch ? I'm in Chiswick and thus south of the river far too often for comfort these days. Let me know. > Dot: Thanks very much, I hope it will go well too (though I've just noticed some missing tables in the appendix and am starting to worry). Lunch sounds splendid - I'll be panicking on Monday, in Reading for the viva on Tuesday, and probably hungover for much of Wednesday, but should be lounging around South Ken Thursday and Friday if you're free then. Dot Glad that Ginger's cousin is ok (and belatedly thanking her for all her hard work), but otherwise gobsmacked by the scale of the disaster. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 4 09:34:59 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:34:59 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <dfc2kn+o2n1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" <spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote: > Carolyn: > > BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily > > recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' by > Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). > > Dot: > Is the sequel as good as the first one? > Ever read any Connie Willis? I quite enjoyed "To Say Nothing of the > Dog." Carolyn: Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. I am in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across London every day. If anything this sequel is better, but essential to have read the first one to get all the jokes. Like Fforde, it's kinda difficult to pick a bit out because it builds and builds in the same dead pan send up mode, but here's a snip from one of the gossip opening rounds. [To non-Brits, you have to imagine all this in the sing-song Welsh accent; think Dylan Thomas and all the stories you ever heard about Dai the tank engine.]. 'The bell dinged and the lady in the red scarf started. 'Well, anyway, Mrs Benyon was just saying that it's not her first one that Mrs Jenkins was talking about. It's the elder one - she's got two, hasn't she? - the youngest one is still in Penwiddig, isn't it? And the eldest is out at Talybont married to the chap whose father ran the garage that was knocked down, anyway it wasn't him it was his brother whose two boys were in the same class as the daughter of the one from the woman who lives above the bakers in Llanfarian - ' There were cries of 'Logic! Logic!' from the blue corner and after a quick conference among the judges the charge was upheld. The woman in the red scarf picked herself up off the canvas and came out fighting: 'Anyway, it was her niece what made the jam for the "bring and buy" after her husband came back from the mines with emphysema - ' There was a roar of delight from one section of the crowd and the other section looked stony-faced. Two ladies in front of me turned to each other and swapped disapproving nods. Another lady in front of them turned round and said, 'It wasn't emphysema at all - it was nothing to do with aureoles as such - ' 'I heard it was viral,' said another spectator, 'but they weren't quite sure what.' 'You'd think she'd test her weak spot with mumps or measles or something first, wouldn't you!' 'Or maybe sciatica, that's always a good one, that is.' 'You watch!' the first one scoffed, 'Mrs Jenkins will trump her now with pneumoconiosis.' Oh, it's brilliant, and even quite moving at the end. And the things that are alleged about Univ College Lampeter...did you you know they did Embalming Studies, and get their own cadaver to experiment on at the beginning of term? ::snort:: [Further notes for non-Brits - all Welsh towns with more than three people are university colleges..they tend to be very, very odd]. > Dot: > Thanks very much, I hope it will go well too (though I've just > noticed some missing tables in the appendix and am starting to > worry). Lunch sounds splendid - I'll be panicking on Monday, in > Reading for the viva on Tuesday, and probably hungover for much of > Wednesday, but should be lounging around South Ken Thursday and > Friday if you're free then. > > Dot > Glad that Ginger's cousin is ok (and belatedly thanking her for all > her hard work), but otherwise gobsmacked by the scale of the > disaster. Carolyn: Thursday might be good, or Friday. I'll email you offlist to fix up. Also horrified at what is happening in New Orleans, not least the incredible delay in getting those poor people out, although I see they have at last got around to a massive airlift. It's playing terribly across the news media worldwide. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm Carolyn From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Sep 4 17:37:01 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:37:01 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com> References: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <17EFAEFB-D9CB-4D55-9148-71181FEC3E44@btconnect.com> > > Carolyn: > Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. I am > in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across London > every day. > Briefly unlurking. Connie Willis - v.g. 'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and Nebula Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time-travel but several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both now and then. Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it well. 'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured somebody like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves around academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable. Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the Dog', but what do I know? From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Sun Sep 4 19:04:55 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:04:55 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <17EFAEFB-D9CB-4D55-9148-71181FEC3E44@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: > > > > Carolyn: > > Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. I am in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across London every day. > > > > Briefly unlurking. > > Connie Willis - v.g. > > 'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and Nebula Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time- travel but several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both now and then. Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it well. > > 'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured somebody like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves around academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable. > > Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the Dog', but what do I know? Dot: Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will try 'Doomsday Book'. Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the Fingerpost' by Ian Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the last couple of years (not counting classics). It's not very light-hearted, though. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Sep 4 19:48:03 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:48:03 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com> References: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <1B32AFE8-DDDB-490F-A86A-7E5AD811FDD5@btconnect.com> > Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will > try 'Doomsday Book'. > > Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the Fingerpost' > by Ian Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact > I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the last couple of years > (not counting classics). It's not very light-hearted, though. > Very different to his other books (whodunnits set in the art world), much darker. Doomsday Book isn't a bundle of laughs either - lots of deaths, mostly from disease. One book that I've never understood why it's not in the top 10 of everyone's list of books to talk about - Flicker by Theodore Roszak. Weird conjunction of medieval heresy, history of film and detective story. Recommend John Lawton - a series of 4 sort of police procedural books not far off Le Carre for quality (some whisper that they're better, at least when compared to his later ones): Blackout - set in 1944 Old Flames - set against the background of Kruschev & Bulganin's visit in '56, with 'Buster' Crabbe mystery thrown in, plus Suez Blue Rondo - '59, Kray twins as inspiration A Little White Death - 1963, Profumo affair and Philby as inspirations. Very evocative of the times which they describe. Well, the last three are, in '44 I wasn't taking much notice of what was going on around me. Best read in chronological order - previous action and characters carried over into later books. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Mon Sep 5 11:11:11 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:11:11 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <1B32AFE8-DDDB-490F-A86A-7E5AD811FDD5@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com> > Dot: Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will > > try 'Doomsday Book'. > > Dot (now): Did you recommend Connie Willis before? I was trying to remember why I read them, and have absolutely no idea. Possibly that most evil of evil Amazonian inventions (customers who bought this also bought...) is to blame. But if it was you, thanks, I enjoyed them. > > Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the Fingerpost' by Ia(i)n Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the last couple of years (not counting classics). It's not very light- hearted, though. > > > Barry: > Very different to his other books (whodunnits set in the art world), much darker. > Doomsday Book isn't a bundle of laughs either - lots of deaths, > mostly from disease. > Dot: Yes, I picked up The Bernini Bust in an airport after I'd read Fingerpost, and was rather disappointed. Won't bother with any others, I don't think. Barry: > One book that I've never understood why it's not in the top 10 of > everyone's list of books to talk about - Flicker by Theodore Roszak. > Weird conjunction of medieval heresy, history of film and detective story. Dot: Sounds interesting, I think I'll try that too. I must also recommend 'The Sterkarm Handshake' by Susan Price. Time- travel/historical with elements of fantasy, set in the 16th Century Scottish borders. The main character, Andrea, (from the 21st century) is a bit wet, but the 16th Century natives more than make up for her lack of bloodthirstiness. Tons of blood and guts, and horses, and sheep-thieving and fleas and lice and murder and revenge ... and it's very cleverly written. Sequel's not really worth bothering with unless you like more of the same, as it doesn't really go anywhere new. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Mon Sep 5 14:35:31 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:35:31 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com> References: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com> > > Dot (now): > Did you recommend Connie Willis before? I was trying to remember why > I read them, and have absolutely no idea. Possibly that most evil of > evil Amazonian inventions (customers who bought this also bought...) > is to blame. But if it was you, thanks, I enjoyed them. > Erm ... don't think I did. IIRC the penguini was looking for some modern hard SF - which CW ain't; she's more into gentler speculative stuff. No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed. Dismissive references to talking squid and rocket-ships merely highlights her personal (and oh, so limiting) snobbery. Mind you, she's got a hell of a cheek, 'cos she's a repeat offender. Oryx and Crake (very mundane, out-dated and unoriginal by SF standards) was preceded by The Handmaiden's Tale - a theme well within the ambit of the SF dystopian society sub-set. It's becoming more difficult to draw hard-and-fast dividing lines on what is/isn't a particular genre. Exotic backgrounds sometimes seem to be invented just to excuse an exploration of ideas or attitudes - like Ursula Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness - attitudes towards sexuality as experienced by a visitor to a society where all the inhabitants are of the same sex, or Maria Doria Russell's The Sparrow; some find that one very disturbing and thought-provoking indeed. A quality rarely found in so-called 'mainstream' literature these days. > Dot: > Yes, I picked up The Bernini Bust in an airport after I'd read > Fingerpost, and was rather disappointed. Won't bother with any > others, I don't think. > Yes. Sub-Lovejoy. Without the handy tips on antiques. And without the laughs. > > Dot: > Sounds interesting, I think I'll try that too. I must also > recommend 'The Sterkarm Handshake' by Susan Price. Time- > travel/historical with elements of fantasy, set in the 16th Century > Scottish borders. The main character, Andrea, (from the 21st > century) is a bit wet, but the 16th Century natives more than make > up for her lack of bloodthirstiness. Tons of blood and guts, and > horses, and sheep-thieving and fleas and lice and murder and > revenge ... and it's very cleverly written. Sequel's not really > worth bothering with unless you like more of the same, as it doesn't > really go anywhere new. > OK. It'll go on the list for the next time I order a load of books. (Getting more frequent; I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a month from Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is too damned expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come across in charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty bookshop in Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of bookcase space long since; now I'm running out of floor-space as well. I blame it on the TV companies for pushing out an incessant load of tripe.) From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Sep 5 16:03:40 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:03:40 -0000 Subject: Still locked out Message-ID: <dfhq8s+v9ot@eGroups.com> That's why I'm not doing anything. I've just emailed Paul a second time; hopefully he'll get to me soon. It's probably because we upgraded to an even faster DSL service. Come to think of it, our ISP # might change yet again -- my husband wants to get fiber optic service installed. Men and their toys... Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Sep 5 19:31:00 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:31:00 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: > > Erm ... don't think I did. IIRC the penguini was looking for some > modern hard SF - which CW ain't; she's more into gentler speculative stuff. > > No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF > has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed. Um..I think that's the problem. There are some sorts of SF that I don't have time for, I agree, the sort that are essentially car chases in space with improbable monsters, sonic screwdrivers and wearisome missions to save the universe. Oh, and women wearing little else but their space helmets.. But something that plays with history in an interesting way, if you'd count that as one of the new sub-genres, that can be interesting. I just finished Ian MacLeod's the Light Ages, for instance, which you recommended, and was intrigued. The Dickens/Gormenghast style was fascinating - although the industrial revolution plotline somewhat predictable and hence I thought it limped a bit at the end. But the trolls/people who'd had too much aether were very good and believable. BTW, if anyone wants extremely fast-paced SF techie meets pixies and goblins amusement, try the Artemis Fowl series. Bit like a compulsive bag of crisps when you are hungry. > I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a month from > Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is too damned > expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come across in > charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty bookshop in > Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of bookcase space long > since; now I'm running out of floor-space as well. I blame it on the > TV companies for pushing out an incessant load of tripe.) I have a (Amazon.com) bookmark with an alleged quote from Erasmus - 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' I just picked over my shelves and here's some stuff I've read in the last year that I enjoyed: -Silk (Alessandro Baricco). A scant 100-page tale of sensuous imagination about someone voyaging to China in the 1860s to try and save the French silk trade. The end, an unexpected love letter, is like a very sharp knife drawn across the skin. Suddenly you feel the pain and see the blood start to seep. A.N Wilson's biography of Iris Murdoch. Only for IM fans, obviously, but it explains a good deal. Claire Tomalin's biography of Katherine Mansfield. I've always been intrigued that there is a Mansfield on JKR's bookshelf on her site. What that tells us about Potter boggles the imagination. Maybe the slash fics are spot on after all. Ella minnow pea by Mark Dunn. Has not interested his Kneasiness, but I maintain it's a very brilliant story. An island community slowly give up letters of the alphabet for various sub-Orwellian reasons, and their struggle to communicate with each other becomes haiku-like in intensity. Biography of Fanny Trollope by Pamela Neville-Sington. She's the mother of Anthony Trollope and one hell of a lot more interesting. Whilst her tiresome husband slowly killed himself by taking arsenic, she travelled half round the world, setting up theatres in America, literary salons in Italy and, in passing gave Anthony all his plotlines. Completely revises what you think of the Jane Austen period and what women were allowed/or chose to do. Carolyn Currently reading a Rose Tremain. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Tue Sep 6 13:28:24 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com> References: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <6394B7FC-E56B-4F5B-91C1-7BE16CAE3D6B@btconnect.com> On 5 Sep 2005, at 20:31, carolynwhite2 wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith > <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: > > > > Erm ... don't think I did. IIRC the penguini was looking for some > > modern hard SF - which CW ain't; she's more into gentler > speculative stuff. > > > > No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF > > has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed. > > Um..I think that's the problem. There are some sorts of SF that I > don't have time for, I agree, the sort that are essentially car > chases in space with improbable monsters, sonic screwdrivers and > wearisome missions to save the universe. Oh, and women wearing little > else but their space helmets.. > Yes; there are some SF writers that I have no time for either. The problem for those not familiar with the genre or the writers is that it's rare for an SF book to be reviewed in the mainstream press - and even then it's even rarer for the book to be referred to as SF. It's 'a futuristic novel' or 'an alternative take on history'. It seems that in the view of those who consider themselves as literary arbiters, admitting that you enjoy SF is akin to - well, there's a tale .... A researcher compiling information on nicknames visits a remote Scottish village and starts interviewing the locals. Eventually he gets talking to a famous local character. "And how did you get your nickname?" "It's most unfair - I voluntarily helped build half the houses in the village, I'm the most successful commercial fisherman for miles around, I lead the local Mountain Rescue team, train our championship- winning amateur football team, donate half my money to local charities - but I shag just one sheep..." Why do you think that Attwood scrambled so desperately, trying to convince everybody that Oryx and Crake wasn't SF when it so obviously was? Is there something wrong with a literary lineage that goes back to the ancient Greeks (Plato's 'Republic') the satires of Lucian, More's 'Utopia', and includes Swift, Verne, Wells, Huxley and Orwell? Apparently there is. In the self-referential circles in which these people exist, it's the loony aunt, the embarrassing relative that no- one talks about. Sure, there're anoraks; Trekkies, Mully and Scalder fanatics and the like. But generally these oddities don't come from readers - they come from viewers, TV or film. And I haven't seen a book cover with a shapely bird in goldfish-bowl and brass brassiere in years - wish I had, that 50's pulp stuff is highly collectible these days. Ironically, it's probably images of these increasingly valuable covers that flashes across the frontal lobes of the broadsheet book critics whenever SF is mentioned. Ah, if only they knew! The 'car chases in space' that you mention is now split into two sub- genres, one generally referred to as space opera, and the other as rubbish. Space opera (the name is a twist on 'soap opera') is generally not written as deeply meaningful insights into our place in the universe or etc., it's intended as entertainment pure and simple - though some of it isn't all that simple and writers are expected to show an understanding of physics, its inferences and its wider applications in the universe. So stuff like instantaneous travel or communication are a no-no, and if included are liable to be severely mauled by the fan-base and by other writers, eventually leading to a down-grading to that second category. But if accepted for what it is intended to be, it can be fun. One of the most successful practitioners is David Weber with his Honor Harrington series - which he is happy to admit is a homage to the Horatio Hornblower books (though Honor has strong hints of Nelson - she loses an eye and an arm in the course of the series). He's also very good as a writer at expressing outrage at discrimination - particularly sexual and by fundamental religionists. A few groan-making puns, too - the main baddies are led by political leaders named Rob S. Pierre and St Just - so you've no excuse for not knowing where he's coming from. But look at the SF specialty best-seller lists and books like these rarely figure; nor do they win the awards at conventions. Those are the domain of much more demanding stuff which is almost never reviewed elsewhere and so potential readers never get to hear of it. And they never will be reviewed unless critics broaden their minds and their reading matter. It's a shame, really. IMO SF has niches and sub-sets that can offer something for everyone, but only if it's brought to their attention. > But something that plays with history in an interesting way, if you'd > count that as one of the new sub-genres, that can be interesting. I > just finished Ian MacLeod's the Light Ages, for instance, which you > recommended, and was intrigued. The Dickens/Gormenghast style was > fascinating - although the industrial revolution plotline somewhat > predictable and hence I thought it limped a bit at the end. But the > trolls/people who'd had too much aether were very good and believable. > Try 'Pavane' by Keith Roberts. A true classic. And his 'Anita' stories, collected in a book of the same name, have a very different view of modern witches than that of JKR. > BTW, if anyone wants extremely fast-paced SF techie meets pixies and > goblins amusement, try the Artemis Fowl series. Bit like a compulsive > bag of crisps when you are hungry. > > Mm. Didn't go a bundle on those - mostly I didn't like Colfer's style. Personal tastes intruding again. > > I have a (Amazon.com) bookmark with an alleged quote from Erasmus - > 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy > food and clothes.' > Clothes? Haven't bought any new clothes since ... I forget. Certainly not this year; probably not last year either. Food - and especially wine, (not forgetting gin, armangnac and a few other tasty drops) that's different. Where Shylock was split between his daughter and his ducats, with me it's books and bordeaux. Or Aussie Shiraz, or Rhinegau Auslese, old-fashioned Chablis or... never mind, you get the picture. The books mostly stay on the shelves, but strangely the contents of the wine-racks in the cellar tele-port to the dining- table with metronomic regularity. Odd that. Probably obeying some law of fluidics that I'm not familiar with. Still, being a bibulous bibliophile ain't a bad way of passing the time, even when bearing a strong resemblance to a perambulating bundle of cast-offs long over-due for charity shop recycling. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Sep 8 07:16:02 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:16:02 -0000 Subject: From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news Message-ID: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com> Kelly emailed me this this morning. I thought she lived over towards Miami, but do any of you know anything more specific about what has happened in Long Beach that I can forward to her? Carolyn Kelly: So, did I say big whopping hurricane? What I meant was huge, massive, wipe-my-poor-little-apartment-and-everything-around-it-off- the-map hurricane. Damn! I live (or rather, lived) right where the eye of the hurricane passed. It simply demolished my town and the surrounding ones. I haven't gotten absolute confirmation yet, due to the shaky communication with the area, but I'm pretty sure my apartment is gone. The news coverage is concentrating on New Orleans and Biloxi, and hasn't been able to reach the areas in between (where Long Beach, my town, is located) yet. The only comment I heard was that 90% of the buildings between the railroad tracks and the beach (yup, me) were destroyed. Plus my parents found some satellite photos on the NOAA website, and they think they managed to find my apartment complex. They saw a few roofs toward the back of the complex, but it looked like there was nothing under them. At the front, where mine was located, the buildings were simply gone. Insurance is my new best friend. I consider myself very lucky to be out here right now, where I have food, water, air-conditioning, and soon-to-be-needed income. On a different note, I still have pointless hobbies, right? So, without further ado, I give you the review of 1.2.13.1 Etymology/origin of names. I'm attaching a .csv file; you should be able to import it into Excel or some other datasheet program. It has the same format as the previous reviews I sent you, but I'm trying to conserve space, since I don't want to slow up this email line. Same as before: 0 = keep, r = reject from this category, m = move to a new category. Also, for this one, I marked several posts as nn (nickname), for the proposed new subcategory I mention below. If you approve, add a new category and move these there; otherwise, leave them in 1.2.13.1. 1.2.13.1 Etymology/origin of names ---------------------------------- Originally: 591 Now: 457 (plus 29 name-variation) ... i.e. etymology, psuedo-etymology, ignorant-lumping-together-of- roots-from-different-languages-and-time-periods, historical references, literary references, and other obscure references that JKR may or may not have used to create her names, spells, and other terms, and how said origins may reveal the entire future plot of the series. There are a few very good, thorough derivations in here, but most of the posts of short and many are of dubious scholarship. For time purposes, I didn't sort by quality; there are plenty of websites available if people want a good analysis of Potter terms and names. I think this category could use an additional subcategory for variations-on-a-name debates (e.g. whether the names used for certain characters are in reality nicknames, middle names, etc.). These don't discuss etymology, origin, or meaning of the names (the very few that do would go in both categories), but don't really belong anywhere else that I can see. I limited this category to external etymology only. For example, discussion of who named the Death Eaters (Voldy, the group, or outsiders), the amazing coincidence of a child named Remus Lupin becoming a werewolf (Ginger, did you know Lupin means wolf?), or why parents of the current wizarding generation tend to use more Muggle- like names than previous generations do not belong here. Discussions of why JKR chose those names, though, does. I also kept a handful of posts discussing whether hidden and not-so- hidden meanings of names were maintained in translation. However, keep other discussion of translations out. Keep witch/wizard/warlock terminology discussions in 3.2.5 Medals, awards, & titles. This is where most of the posts on that topic already reside; there were only a handful here, which I moved there. There is still some repetition in this category; because everything was so scattered and most of the posts were only one or two lines, it was difficult to catch. -Kelly From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Thu Sep 8 09:43:31 2005 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:43:31 -0000 Subject: Catching up.. In-Reply-To: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com> Message-ID: <dfp143+n2v3@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: > No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed. > Dismissive references to talking squid and rocket-ships merely > highlights her personal (and oh, so limiting) snobbery. Mind you, > she's got a hell of a cheek, 'cos she's a repeat offender. Oryx and Crake (very mundane, out-dated and unoriginal by SF standards) was preceded by The Handmaiden's Tale - a theme well within the ambit of the SF dystopian society sub-set. Dot: Yeah... but they *are* bloody well-written. I loved Oryx and Crake. I think the difficulty with SF for many people is that it's so rare to get brilliant ideas in a brilliantly-written book. Far too often one ends up having to choose between the ideas and the writing, which is why I tend to avoid SF unless someone recommends a book specifically. I'll never forget the experience of reading The Hadmaid's Tale, after the first few chapters thinking: "Oh, surely not..." and a few chapters later "Has this not been done to death?" and yet being quite unable to stop myself reading, enjoying every second and being a complete convert by the time I turned the last page. I'll forgive her second-hand ideas for the sheer pleasure of reading. Barry: > It's becoming more difficult to draw hard-and-fast dividing lines on what is/isn't a particular genre. Exotic backgrounds sometimes seem to be invented just to excuse an exploration of ideas or attitudes - like Ursula Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness - attitudes towards sexuality as experienced by a visitor to a society where all the inhabitants are of the same sex, or Maria Doria Russell's The Sparrow; some find that one very disturbing and thought-provoking indeed. A quality rarely found in so- called 'mainstream' literature these days. > Dot: Ah, I knew I'd read something you'd recommended. The Sparrow, yes. Nice ideas, and an interesting read for an atheist. Didn't go a bundle on the prose, and it was too long, but I read it, and enjoyed it enough to recommend it to someone else. Isn't there a sequel? Is it more of the same? Barry > OK. It'll go on the list for the next time I order a load of books. (Getting more frequent; I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a month from Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is too damned expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come across in charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty bookshop in Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of bookcase space long since; now I'm running out of floor-space as well. I blame it on the TV companies for pushing out an incessant load of tripe.) Dot: You lucky... Oh why won't somebody pay me to read books all day every day? Put 'The Origins of Virtue' (Matt Ridley) on your non- fiction list then, it's a beautifully constructed argument that altruism is a part of human nature. Everyone should read it. Thanking Carolyn for the other recommendations - always good to have a list to get through... Dot (The viva, in case anyone cares, was fine. Rather anticlimactic, in the event, considering the blood-chilling terror beforehand. Now recovered from over-celebrating, and getting back to work.) From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Sep 8 14:20:10 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:20:10 -0000 Subject: Back to work Message-ID: <dfphaq+es2e@eGroups.com> Potioncat enters the office and goes straight to the coffee corner. She sets up a very large pot of strong, aromatic coffee, a pot of water, and tray of teas, (nothing weak or decaf). She brings out a basket of autumn breads and an assortment of other goodies, including this new delight, cockroach clusters: http://www.candywarehouse.com/cockroaches.html Be sure and save one of those for Dot. Looks like lots of the crew have been reading. I'll have to set the list aside for future. I'm reading the Narnia series. No, I don't recommend it, but I'm held hostage by an 11 year old. He played the wicked queen's evil minion in a play and now we have to read the books. They are amusing for their parallel to HP. (A boy named Digory [CSL's spelling] is tricked into grasping a ring and is whisked away to another place and sees a green light.) So far I've found Bella, Hermione, Stan and Dumbledore. I did read part of "Coffee, A Dark History". Did you know the Boston Tea Party was organized at a coffe house? Think about it. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness may have come about because it was to some merchant's advantage to encourage a boycott on tea. What a holiday it's been! I'd just finished cataloguing the Weasley clock and didn't it come up right away in HBP! From the looks of the current site, we're going to need a bigger section for Snape topics. Droobles Best Blowing Gum isn't go to be so much fun to review now, but chess and gobstones might take a new slant. I have 3.11--3.14 (I think) I've put my name by the sections I'm actually working on. Should anyone who moves a bit quicker want to take one of the other headings, feel free to put your name down. If not, I'm working my way to them. The large clock on the wall began to ring, chime, alarm and actually vibrate. The hands were pointing to "Time for work!" Potioncat: who is very glad Kelly was safe and very sorry to hear about her home. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Sep 8 16:23:38 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:23:38 -0000 Subject: From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news In-Reply-To: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dfpoia+hnqg@eGroups.com> > Kelly: > So, did I say big whopping hurricane? What I meant was huge, > massive, wipe-my-poor-little-apartment-and-everything-around-it-off- > the-map hurricane. Damn! I live (or rather, lived) right where the > eye of the hurricane passed. It simply demolished my town and the > surrounding ones. I haven't gotten absolute confirmation yet, due to > the shaky communication with the area, but I'm pretty sure my > apartment is gone. The news coverage is concentrating on New Orleans > and Biloxi, and hasn't been able to reach the areas in between (where > Long Beach, my town, is located) yet. Jen: Kelly, I'm feeling for you! We haven't heard anything on the news about Long Beach, but looking at a map....well, it doesn't look so good there, right next to Gulfport which was reported almost destroyed from what one news story said. I'm so sorry! Glad to know you are safe and have all the necessities. Jen, watching too much coverage and wondering if she could deal even half as well as Kelly is. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 20:22:05 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news In-Reply-To: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20050908202205.34113.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote: Kelly emailed me this this morning. I thought she lived over towards Miami, but do any of you know anything more specific about what has happened in Long Beach that I can forward to her? Ginger: I'm afraid I have nothing to forward, but I did see an article. Had I known Kelly was from there, I'd have saved it, but I only noticed Long Beach as I have cousins in Long Beach, Calif, so it caught my eye. I do remember that it didn't look good at all. Kelly, I'm glad you weren't there, and that you're ok, but I'm also sorry to hear about your losses. Take care of yourself. Ginger, amazed that Kelly has kept her sense of humour and astounded by her discovery that Lupin means wolf. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://archive.hpfgu.org/pipermail/hpfgu-catalogue/attachments/20050908/c8c6b902/attachment.html> From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Sep 10 09:29:45 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:29:45 -0000 Subject: Catalogue down briefly Message-ID: <dfu929+2rg7@eGroups.com> Just to let you all know that Paul is finally moving his computer, which hosts our catalogue, into his new house this weekend, so access will be down for a day or two until he gets it set up again. It's been set up at his parents up until now. Anne - I also reminded him about your connection problems. Hopefully we can start to get things moving again next week. Carolyn incoherently thrilled to get her broadband back this morning - after 4 weeks of problems From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 11 09:53:01 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:53:01 -0000 Subject: Late response to Debbie/listen up Doug! In-Reply-To: <db62u6+8g17@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dg0upt+38tf@eGroups.com> Debbie has reminded me that I didn't action the following back in July, so here's what I've done. > > Carolyn then: > > So, what this boils down to is splitting 1.1.5 between either > 1.1.7.1 (Child abuse/mistreatment) - that's for the bullying stuff, or 3.2.6 (Racism & bigotry) - for the discrimination stuff? Debbie then: > Yes, except that I'd put the bullying stuff in a separate subcategory (primarily because I've already reviewed those posts, but have been avoiding Child abuse like the plague). When the forest has been properly thinned we can decide whether to merge them. <snip> >This leaves 77 bullying posts. As I mentioned above, I > recommend that they be moved into their own subset under Parenting > and Child Development, rather than being merged into Child > abuse/Mistreatment for now. Carolyn now: Temporary category created called - 1.1.7.3 Bullying Hope that was what you intended. I have left 1.1.5 until you have finished with it - tell me when you are done and I will remove it. Carolyn then: >However... should we now move 3.2.6 up into metathemes, because it is such a major theme? > > DOUG - Oy! I know you are working on sections 3.1. - 3.2.6, have > you got this far yet, what do you think? Debbie then: > I agree with moving 3.2.6 Class System, Racism and Bigotry to > Metathemes. It could be plonked right into the gap left by the > elimination of Equality and Fairness. However, I'd tweak the title > slightly to say Class System, Bigotry and Prejudice. > > As it's the last subcategory under 3.2, and it contains 406 posts > (including 9 posts I moved here from 1.1.5. and 1.1.5.1.), I'd be > willing to bet that he hasn't gotten to it yet. > > When I return, I'll do either 1.1.7 (Parenting & child development) > or the renumbered Class System etc. (assuming Doug has not done it). Your choice, captain! Carolyn now: I never heard back from Doug, so I think we can assume he hasn't got there yet <g>. Therefore, arbitrary decision taken to move 3.2.6 up to metathemes. It will be re-numbered 1.1.10 temporarily until you have actually finished moving stuff out of Equality & Fairness, then, when I delete that section, I could move it up in the list. For your sanity's sake, why not do class systems next?! Carolyn Apologising for long delay, but beginning to gear up again. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 11 09:59:40 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:59:40 -0000 Subject: Foe Glass/Snape In-Reply-To: <dfbo5p+mbuq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dg0v6c+8dbq@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" <quigonginger at y...> wrote: > Hidey-ho folks! > > Just popping in with a comment mostly directed at Talisman. I am > reviewing Magical Items, and found 4 posts about the Foe Glass under the main heading. I moved them to Dark Detectors, which is Talisman's field, and marked them with review coding and a note in the bottom box > that I had moved them. > > I just thought they belonged there and wanted to give a heads-up in > case Talisman was working on that category at this time, or had > finished it and wanted to go back and check that they weren't "adds > nothing new" posts in that category. > Carolyn: That will be fine with Talisman I think. Also, she's waving a white flag about the Snape section (time committments), so if anyone would be interested in taking over this massive assignment, it's there to be done. From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Sep 11 14:32:03 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:32:03 -0000 Subject: That numbering snafu Ginger found Message-ID: <dg1f53+2iic@eGroups.com> Carolyn - remember when Ginger did her big housecleaning, she found some categories with overlapping numbers: 2.5.1.5 - Harry's Training, Protection, Powers 2.5.1.5.1 - Harry's Eyes {there follow more cats up to 2.5.1.5.6 here} and: 2.5.1.5 - Harry's parentage/ancestry 2.5.1.5.1 - HIS SWORD I checked the actual posts in these categories and they are all where they belong. That is, there are no HIS SWORD posts in with the Harry's eyes posts, etc. So all that needs to be done is to renumber the categories. The simplest way will be fine: just make it: 2.5.1.7 - Harry's parentage/ancestry 2.5.1.7.1 - HIS SWORD Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Sep 12 16:17:57 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:17:57 -0000 Subject: PS for Debbie, Anne.. Message-ID: <dg49nl+2dbt@eGroups.com> Carolyn previously: I never heard back from Doug, so I think we can assume he hasn't got there yet <g>. Therefore, arbitrary decision taken to move 3.2.6 up to metathemes. It will be re-numbered 1.1.10 temporarily until you have actually finished moving stuff out of Equality & Fairness, then, when I delete that section, I could move it up in the list. Carolyn now: Debbie, I read your note slightly more carefully and checked what was currently in those sections, and as a result: -moved the old section 1.1.5.1 Inequality, bullying and discrimination in its entireity to be new subsection 1.1.7.3 (77 posts)and shortened its title to 'Bullying' -renumbered old section 3.2.6 to be new 1.1.5 Class system, bigotry and prejudice (still to be sorted out) - but left old section 1.1.5 (equality & fairness) as a subset of new 1.1.5 (and temporarily numbered it 1.1.5.1) because it still had 85 posts in it. According to your note, they are all due to be moved elsewhere, and then I can delete this for good. Hope this is now what you wanted. Anne: The simplest way will be fine: just make it: 2.5.1.7 - Harry's parentage/ancestry 2.5.1.7.1 - HIS SWORD Carolyn: I did this for you. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 12 18:10:49 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:10:49 -0000 Subject: Toys and Games Message-ID: <dg4gb9+r7qi@eGroups.com> 3.14 Toys and Games has no posts. I guess that's how it's supposed to be, but we should re-think this 3.14.1 Wizard Chess had 49, will take down to 39. Some of these are stictly wizard chess: rules, expamples etc. Some have to do specifically with the game played to get to the stone. Some of those are still rules, but some are metaphors for the HP series or used as a clue for how the series will turn out. It's the Ron sacrificed himself as a knight therefore.... or Hermione was a castle and that means.... I thought I'd coded a lot of posts here that were metaphor, but I don't see so many. It's about 10 posts. Maybe I'm recalling posts I read on the main list that hadn't been coded yet. 3.14.2 Fireworks has 1 will drop to 0. (Fireworks aren't mentioned at all!) Was this heading created for the Weasley fireworks in OoP? My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for straight forward posts about chess games? Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 5, but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are in 3.14.1. Kathy Kathy From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Sep 15 19:37:00 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:37:00 -0000 Subject: Catching up../Bellwether In-Reply-To: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgcigs+lfor@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" <spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith > <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: > > > > Connie Willis - v.g. > > > > 'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and > Nebula Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time- > travel but several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both now and then. Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it > well. > > > > 'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured > somebody like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves > around academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable. > > > > Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the > Dog', but what do I know? > > Dot: > Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will > try 'Doomsday Book'. > Carolyn: I just finished Bellwether (Dot, thanks for the loan). Enjoyed it immensely; thanks to both for the recommendation. Have just endured a totally surreal week of management-speak, but have memorised: 1. Optimise potential 2. Facilitate empowerment 3. Implement visioning 4. Strategise priorities 5. Augment core structures as I feel sure it will help. As to Flip, I used to have a research editor who came in wearing what appeared to be evening gowns... Will now search out the others. But would not have called this one sci-fi at all, except in the most literal sense, ie that it is about scientists and science. Carolyn From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Thu Sep 15 19:43:11 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:43:11 -0000 Subject: Toys and Games In-Reply-To: <dg4gb9+r7qi@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgcisf+hogb@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> wrote: > > My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to > keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for straight forward posts about chess games? > > Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 5, but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are in 3.14.1. > Carolyn: My vote is yes, all chess-related topics should go here, including chess-as-metaphor, because that's what we did with Quidditch, but we did create 3.6.4 General quidditch theories for this purpose. Maybe we should do the same for chess? You shouldn't be able to move things into 3.14, as it is a second- level head, and as such I don't think it has a tick box. We could amend 3.14.2 to read 'Other games and fireworks', to accommodate non-chess posts. Would that do? From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Sep 15 20:56:59 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:56:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Toys and Games References: <dgcisf+hogb@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV210C9594477EB21E7193D2AD9E0@phx.gbl> Well, given that all together there are only 39 posts, should we make it 3.14.1 Wizard chess and other games? Later if we get something on fireworks or something else, we could have a 3.14.2 Toys. How does that sound? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: carolynwhite2<mailto:carolynwhite2 at aol.com> To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Toys and Games --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com>, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m<mailto:willsonkmom at m>...> wrote: > > My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to > keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for straight forward posts about chess games? > > Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 5, but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are in 3.14.1. > Carolyn: My vote is yes, all chess-related topics should go here, including chess-as-metaphor, because that's what we did with Quidditch, but we did create 3.6.4 General quidditch theories for this purpose. Maybe we should do the same for chess? 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From willsonkmom at msn.com Fri Sep 16 17:24:08 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:08 -0000 Subject: Toys and Games In-Reply-To: <dgdqqh+3qhk@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgev3o+icrh@eGroups.com> > Carolyn: > I'd kind of like to keep the chess in one place, so I expanded the > category definition to read 'Wizard chess & chess theories'. > > I've created a third non-fireworks category called 'Other games' for > those 5 posts which are not about chess. > > Let's see how that works. Kathy W: That sounds good. I'll make those changes to the coding then carry on. The rest of the numbers are pretty low; so I hope to be done with my section soon. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 21:00:13 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:00:13 -0000 Subject: Magical Items Message-ID: <dgfbot+cnko@eGroups.com> Hi everyone! Magical items is done. It is now 418 posts. Nothing exciting to report. Most of the uncoding was due to the thread going off the starting topic. For example, the diary: starts out asking if LM knew how it worked and asking if we knew how it worked, then why he gave it to Ginny (on topic so far), but then goes into LM's relationship with AW and Muggle relations. At that point I started uncoding. I did find a lot of that sort of thing all around. So now I'm signed up to do 3.4-3.7.8.1 (Health thru Quidditch). It's a long one, so it'll take a while. Leave donuts on my desk every fortnight until I'm done. Ginger, wondering if, when I take over the world, I should insist on being called an evil overperson to be PC. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Fri Sep 16 21:34:52 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Magical Items In-Reply-To: <dgfbot+cnko@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20050916213452.83887.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wrote: So now I'm signed up to do 3.4-3.7.8.1 (Health thru Quidditch). It should have been Health thru Culture. Ginger, practicing the evil overthingie laugh. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://archive.hpfgu.org/pipermail/hpfgu-catalogue/attachments/20050916/3629b2f2/attachment.html> From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Sep 17 22:30:54 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:30:54 -0000 Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment Message-ID: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com> Hello again. Finished another categoy (actually, four categories)... comments below. I've attached .csv files for all except the GRIMS category, since it only contained one post, and I've commented below on my confusion with that one post. In addition to my normal markers, I marked a few of the posts with "sh", for Stoned!Harry. I'd like some group input on what to do with those posts (see below). On the hurricane front, I've finally gotten some news. My cat was evacuated safe and sound, and is now on her way to my sister's, so that was very good news. My apartment, well, not so much. I've attached a picture, just for shock value [Note from CW: posted in file section]. I knew from the reports I had been getting that my apartment was doomed, but even so, my jaw hit the ground when my dad sent me that picture. Never underestimate the power of lots o' water. Luckily, it looks like my insurance should cover most of what I lost. Okay, on to the review... ********************************************************Review This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories. I'm undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts. Since this theory is so symbolism-based, most posts carry multiple symbolism subcategories: colours, green, red, wood, metal, and alchemy & Rosicrucianism. I was thinking it might be easier to simply remove all the symbolism codes, since the Stoned!Harry code itself implies the link. For now, I've left them as they are, pending a group decision. Any thoughts? Moving on to the Colors (pardon, Colours) category. I don't know if this problem only exists in my version of the catelogue, but I have two 1.2.13.2.1's: Green and GRIMS. They seem to peacefully coexist, but perhaps it should be fixed? 1.2.13.2 Colours -------------------- Originally: 36 Now: 27 Discussion of colors and color symbolism, not specifically focused on red and/or green. If red and/or green is the main topic of the post (even if other colors, usually gold and silver, are also mentioned), keep the post in the subcategories. However, if red/green are mentioned in equal weight to other colors (i.e. discussion of all house colors), use only the main category. 1.2.13.2.1 (a) Green -------------------- Originally: 70 Now: 62 Discussion and lists of all things green. Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green eyes. Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few of the posts I came across carried this category. I decided to keep those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code. Some carried the main 2.5.1 Harry Potter code, but those may have been moved to 2.5.1.0 in the Harry review, which isn't reflected in my version of the catalogue; I didn't touch these, just noted that the eyes category should be added. About 20 of the posts here were part of the "All things green" St. Patrick's Day contest to list five quotes from the series referencing the color green. No discussion, but a handy list. 1.2.13.2.1 (b) GRIMS -------------------- Originally: 1 Now: 0? What does this acronym stand for? The one post here was about Harry/Voldemort yin-yang symbolism, and included some red-green discussion, but never mentioned the acronym. Perhaps it was coined later? Or was mistakenly placed here due to the double use of the category number? 1.2.13.2.2 Red -------------------- Originally: 40 Now: 35 Discussion and lists of all things red, especially Gryffindor, Voldy's eyes, and hair. Much discussion in conjunction with green; these posts are dual coded to the two color subcategories (but not to the main Colours heading). -Kelly From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 01:49:19 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:49:19 -0000 Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment In-Reply-To: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgih2v+krd@eGroups.com> Kelly: > On the hurricane front, I've finally gotten some news. My cat was > evacuated safe and sound, and is now on her way to my sister's, so > that was very good news. My apartment, well, not so much. I've > attached a picture, just for shock value [Note from CW: posted in > file section]. I knew from the reports I had been getting that my > apartment was doomed, but even so, my jaw hit the ground when my dad > sent me that picture. Never underestimate the power of lots o' > water. Luckily, it looks like my insurance should cover most of what > I lost. Jen: Omigosh, Kelly, that picture was something else! Your jaw dropped at the picture, and mine dropped at the picture plus the fact that you're actually *reviewing categories* at the moment. You're made of strong stuff. Granted, I'm a big weenie, but I'd be completely freaking out. Good luck getting everything covered by the insurance. (Btw, pic is located in the photo section) Well, I feel like a schmuck now. I've yet to get back to reviewing (save your cane there, Miss Havisham, I'm still working through the intricacies of HBP <g>). And also, a hard question Carolyn---do things look good for getting that interface or whatever it is to launch? Cause I need some motivation at the moment, and thinking this database won't happen doesn't do much to stoke the fires. Jen, wondering if Kelly even gets our messages at sea. From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 06:07:51 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:07:51 -0000 Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment In-Reply-To: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgj07n+m9pm@eGroups.com> Kelly: > This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories. I'm > undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts. Since this theory is > so symbolism-based, most posts carry multiple symbolism > subcategories: colours, green, red, wood, metal, and alchemy & > Rosicrucianism. I was thinking it might be easier to simply remove > all the symbolism codes, since the Stoned!Harry code itself implies > the link. For now, I've left them as they are, pending a group > decision. Any thoughts? Anne: If a post is good discussion of S!H (i.e. more than just mentioning it in passing), go ahead and add the S!H code and also Review Coding. I'm not sure when your version of the catalogue is from -- it may be that some of those used to be coded for S!H until I uncoded them for being repetitious, or they may be ones I've never seen. That category is not too big, and I was planning on doing a doublecheck of all of the Harry categories when I'm done, anyway. As for all those symbolism categories, my suggestion is that you judge those independently of the S!H category. Meaning, if it's a post that you want for any given symbolism category, then code it there, otherwise, don't. Kelly: > 1.2.13.2.1 (a) Green > -------------------- > Originally: 70 > Now: 62 > > Discussion and lists of all things green. > > Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green > eyes. Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few > of the posts I came across carried this category. I decided to keep > those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code. Some > carried the main 2.5.1 Harry Potter code, but those may have been > moved to 2.5.1.0 in the Harry review, which isn't reflected in my > version of the catalogue; I didn't touch these, just noted that the > eyes category should be added. Anne: This is all fine. Of course, no need to worry about anything already carrying 2.5.1, since I'm working my way through those anyway. They were well over 2000 posts when I started, and are now at about 800 left to go through, and *very* many are being uncoded for Harry altogether. Kelly, my reactions to the picture of your "apartment" were pretty similar to Jen's. Geez, if there's anything I can do -- like, a care package when you find a new place? -- just email me, okay? I'm glad your cat is okay. :) Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 18 12:35:29 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:35:29 -0000 Subject: Re 1.2.13.2.2 GRIMS etc Message-ID: <dgjmuh+f71l@eGroups.com> Kelly: I don't know if this problem only exists in my version of the catelogue, but I have two 1.2.13.2.1's: Green and GRIMS. They seem to peacefully coexist, but perhaps it should be fixed? Carolyn: I fixed the numbering by calling GRIMS 1.2.13.2.2, and re-numbering Red 1.2.13.2.3. GRIMS stands for 'Green is Really Meaningfully Significant' BTW ! However, eventually we need to think of a way of removing these 5th-level heads, as we agreed we would only have 3rd and 4th levels. I agree with Anne's other comments about Stoned!Harry and green eyes. And likewise shocked by the ex-apartment picture. Kelly can't get access to this list at the moment from her boat, but I am copying and pasting all the posts and emailing them to her. Humungous update to follow later today. Carolyn From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Sep 18 12:42:01 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:42:01 -0400 Subject: care package Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment References: <dgj07n+m9pm@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV83BA3EEBB88ED50C5AC8FAD930@phx.gbl> Anne wrote: Kelly, my reactions to the picture of your "apartment" were pretty similar to Jen's. Geez, if there's anything I can do -- like, a care package when you find a new place? -- just email me, okay? I'm glad your cat is okay. :) Kathy W. Count me in too. How can we help? 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You're probably well aware of that, but better safe than sorry, I guess. *grins sheepishly* *shoos the penguin away* ~Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 18 19:18:44 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:18:44 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September Message-ID: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com> Well, I've spent the past week catching up on where we are with the reviews and bringing various files up to date. The job's not finished yet but I thought I'd update you on where I've got to. REVISED DEFINITIONS FILES The job that took the most time was combing back over our posts since last May and cutting and pasting our decisions into the three Word Definition files. However, that's done now and I've uploaded the new versions into the files section. They are getting very long, but record the whys and wherefores of the myriad decisions we have made, and often make entertaining reading. Do take a moment to scroll through them. I will try and keep these up to date on a weekly basis now so as not to get so behind again. Remember, they are called: Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis Revised Definitions, Section 2 Character Analysis Revised Definitoins, Section 3 Wizarding World In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the summer. We owe you. You know who are. POSTS CODED/REJECTED This hasn't changed much since July, but for the record 68602 posts have been coded, and we've rejected 40660 of them, a healthy 59.2%, or looked at another way, we are only keeping about 40% of the posts. SECTIONS YET TO BE REVIEWED Based on the decisions recorded in those Word files, I have brought my section-by-section crib sheet up to date, and compared it with the 'Review allocation database', and find that although we are showing 80 sections as finished in our database, in fact there are some sub-sections within those groups marked as done which may have been missed. I think this is because we've made changes to the 107 sections that we initially sub-divide that list into, and bits have got left out. To follow my analysis listed below, please take a look at whichever of these files you can open: Current Categories, Excel Sept 05 Current Categories, Word Sept 05 Section 1 1.1 - 1.1.1.5 Good vs Evil Dicentra, were these four sub-sections also reviewed? 1.1.1.1 Religious Influences 1.1.1.2 Wicca 1.1.1.4 Redemption 1.1.1.5 LAMBASTING Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it Section 1.2. - 1.2.2.2 Literary analysis Talisman - was 1.2.2.2 NY Times Bestseller list reviewed? Section 1.2.3 - 1.2.3.9 Literary sources and influences Debbie - was 1.2.3.6 detective fiction reviewed? Section 1.2.4 - 1.2.4.9 Authorial intent, reader response Debbie - was 1.2.4.4 ESE! reviewed? Section 1.2.6 - 1.2.6.8 Narrative style Debbie - we agreed a new section 1.2.6.8 Grammar, capitalisation & punctuation, but I am not clear if things were put into it, or if it is still waiting to be populated. Section 1.2.8 - 1.2.8.9 Back History Barry/KathySnow were the following sections included in your reviews: 1.2.8.5 OOP members 1.2.8.8 Shrieking Shack II (POA) 1.2.8.9 Graveyard rebirth Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed: 1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes 1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1) 1.2.10.3 HONDA 1.2.10.4 Character development 1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments Section 1.5.8 - 2.5.16 Minor Gryffindor students KathyW, did you include 2.5.5/2.5.5.1 Seamus Finnegan in this group? Otherwise, he seems to have been missed Beyond these queries, there are some 20 sections yet to be done, some of them allocated to people who reserved them a while back but have not got around to them yet. I'll be in touch offlist to see what the situation is with each of you, and uncode names according to the responses I get. Talisman has already mentioned that she doesn't think she will get to Snape after all, so that's a big one still to be tackled. TECHIE STUFF There is progress on building the user interface (UI), although admittedly it is slow. Paul has sent Tim another version of the whole database to play with, and Tim is also seeking the help of a webdesigner friend who might like to do some of the presentational aspects. In the meantime, he is making a start on the coding structure. Paul is also making moves to buy a domain name to host the catalogue on. However, we are very much in their hands so I can't put a time frame on it. NEXT ACTIONS My to do plan looks like this: - implement Kelly's most recent coding decisions - contact group members about reviews - update the live catalogue with any re-written definitions which have emerged from the review processes - get on with my Lord V section, much delayed Hope most of you are happy to continue on with your reviews. I don't think it is sensible to start the next section of coding until our review is completed, and I would also like that to coincide with the launch of the user interface. My idea would be that people could start using the database as far as we had done it (ie up to publication of OOP), and we would be confident that we had cleaned up all the sections sufficiently for it to be a sensible and useful tool Then, on a second copy of the database, we could embark on the OOP posts, pausing for regular clean ups. Each time we finished a clean up, the enlarged database could be made available to the users. Well, if anyone has a better idea.. Cheers Carolyn From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Sep 18 19:50:21 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:50:21 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgkgdt+fejj@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" <carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote: > My idea would be that people could start using the database as far as > we had done it (ie up to publication of OOP), and we would be > confident that we had cleaned up all the sections sufficiently for it > to be a sensible and useful tool > > Then, on a second copy of the database, we could embark on the OOP > posts, pausing for regular clean ups. Each time we finished a clean > up, the enlarged database could be made available to the users. > > Well, if anyone has a better idea.. > > Cheers > Carolyn It's not a *better* idea, but... I think it might be informative if we recruited a new type of help before the public unveiling. I was thinking maybe we could use a few test subjects to give the catalogue a dry run -- people who have never worked on our catalogue before. Some of these people could be ones you'd asked to help catalogue who declined because of time constraints, and we could also ask members of TOC. That way, if there are any glaring sources of user confusion that we're missing out of familiarity, we'd have friendly outside sources to pinpoint them for us. Then we could (re)write user guides and instructions accordingly before exposing our "baby" to the general population. ;) ------ It's very encouraging to hear of movement on the technical front from Paul and Tim -- thanks, you two! And a grand salute to our fearless leader, Miss H. Anne snapping to attention with the blood of hundreds of Harry decodings dripping from her machete From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Sep 18 20:19:23 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:19:23 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgki4b+netq@eGroups.com> CW: > REVISED DEFINITIONS FILES > The job that took the most time was combing back over our posts > since last May and cutting and pasting our decisions into the > three Word Definition files. However, that's done now and I've > uploaded the new versions into the files section. Jen: Thank you! That's great news. CW: > In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to > those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the > summer. We owe you. You know who are. Jen: Don't we get to know who our tireless comrades are? :) I know Ginger merged the two databases, so a big thanks to her and everyone else who kept vigil while the rest of us.....did whatever it was we did. Personally I loved HBP (if I haven't already mentioned that<g>) and got reinvigorated to write even *more* posts to add to the growing number. No, no *waves hand* thank me later. CW: > Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation > Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed: > 1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes > 1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1) > 1.2.10.3 HONDA > 1.2.10.4 Character development > 1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters > 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments Jen: These have not been reviewed and all are mine. I did a couple of the characterization categories in connection with one of Debbie's review areas, but that section was completed in early summer. CW: > TECHIE STUFF > There is progress on building the user interface (UI), although > admittedly it is slow. Paul has sent Tim another version of the whole > database to play with, and Tim is also seeking the help of a > webdesigner friend who might like to do some of the presentational > aspects. In the meantime, he is making a start on the coding > structure. > > Paul is also making moves to buy a domain name to host the catalogue > on. Jen: *whew* so good to get this update. About Snape. He's intriguing me more after the little brouhaha on the the tower. I'm not certain my depth of knowledge is equal to many of you, though! If no one steps forward on this one, I can do it after characterization. Jen From willsonkmom at msn.com Sun Sep 18 23:37:51 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:37:51 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgktof+bc27@eGroups.com> >Carolyn: > Section 1.5.8 - 2.5.16 Minor Gryffindor students > KathyW, did you include 2.5.5/2.5.5.1 Seamus Finnegan in this group? > Otherwise, he seems to have been missed Kathy W: Seamus was done. SAGA FAKED which comes under his heading has 0 posts. I second the motion to have a test group perform a trial of the catalogue. Better to have honest friends point out problems than unfriendly customers. Kathy W From elfundeb at comcast.net Mon Sep 19 01:19:31 2005 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:19:31 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgl3n3+4jdm@eGroups.com> ::scanning latest memo from the Captain and noticing her name in many places:: The Captain wrote: > In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to > those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the > summer. We owe you. You know who are. My thanks, too, to all who worked while I was out pretending RL was more important than this. > Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice > Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it Do I need to empty it? I think I've moved all the posts that need to be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted. Do I need to do it by hand? > Section 1.2.3 - 1.2.3.9 Literary sources and influences > Debbie - was 1.2.3.6 detective fiction reviewed? Yes. > Section 1.2.4 - 1.2.4.9 Authorial intent, reader response > Debbie - was 1.2.4.4 ESE! reviewed? This was reviewed, but I had some questions about it. I think the issue was whether we could (or should) capture all the characters that have been accused of Evilness. I see it still has 94 posts; I'll take another look. > > Section 1.2.6 - 1.2.6.8 Narrative style > Debbie - we agreed a new section 1.2.6.8 Grammar, capitalisation & > punctuation, but I am not clear if things were put into it, or if it > is still waiting to be populated. I have populated it, though it's a bit thin. > Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation > Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed: > 1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes > 1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1) > 1.2.10.3 HONDA > 1.2.10.4 Character development > 1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters > 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments I think Jen covered this. > Hope most of you are happy to continue on with your reviews. I don't > think it is sensible to start the next section of coding until our > review is completed, and I would also like that to coincide with the > launch of the user interface. I've launched into Class System, Bigotry and Prejudice, then I'll swing back to ESE! After that, if no one's put me out of my misery yet, I'll tackle Child Abuse. Debbie From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 02:24:03 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:24:03 -0000 Subject: Quidditch and other comments Message-ID: <dgl7g3+unva@eGroups.com> Hi. I just finished the Quidditch section of my review and I have a comment. This category has a lot of overlap, and some posts are coded to more than one section, which is fine, but so we're all on the same page definition-wise, let's define "player". Under "History, Players, Balls and Rules" let's define "player" as the position played. For example, if the post is about Harry as a Seeker, it would go here, but if it is about Harry as a team member, then it would go under "House Quidditch Teams". Many posts talk about both, and are coded to both, which is fine. There are posts about whether or not the Slyth team cheats, which sometimes goes under "rules", and sometimes under "house" and sometimes under both. I did a lot of re-shuffling, so they're where they belong now. The lines between the categories are quite blurry, but darned if I could find a better way to sort them. <cheesy grin> I would also propose that pretty much anything to do with Krum, the Irish side, etc. go under WQC, as it is the smaller of the potential categories, and fits well there. Unless we're discussing the rules, in which case, it would go there (or possibly to both). Clear as mud? Of course! That's how the section seems to be. On to other stuff. Add me to the list of those who would like to do something to help Kelly. Shocked by the pic, relieved about the cat. Jen, you're taking Snape? As my mommy would say, "Why, bless your lil old pea-pickin heart". I have no idea why she says that, but it's reserved for special surprises, and someone actually volunteering for Snape fits the bill. Add me to agreement that lab rats should be recruited to test our little experiment. An outside opinion is a good thing. They may have input on things which seems obvious to us, that someone who hasn't been coding and reviewing may not see when presented with the whole of it at once. Remember how intimidated we all were when we first looked at all those categories for the first time? Totally OT, I was watching the Minnesota Vikings (American football) game today. (I root for whomever is playing against them.) They have a player called Mewelde Moore, which always sounded like Voldemort when the announcers said it. Tickled me to no end. The Vikes got their tails creamed, but I couldn't chortle too loudly, as my beloved Lions got kicked too. I'm sure I'll remember something else in about 5 minutes. Ginger, who needs to make a stern rule for herself about cleaning house before doing any work here as the housework doesn't get done. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 19 14:14:25 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:14:25 -0000 Subject: steps in reviewing & Wizard chess report Message-ID: <dgmh41+llua@eGroups.com> As I recall, as we completed a review, we were to update/change the definition of the section. At the moment, I can't find the site where we do that. And to be honest, I'm not sure I've kept my sections up to date. What's the best way to "review" that? In looking over your updated sections, I see that I'd once asked about the chance of lumping Gryffindors (Slytherins, etc) together when a post was about the gang rather than one specific student (although several students might be named.) Did we ever discuss that? Wizard chess has been changed to the following: 3.14 Toys and Games 3.14.1 Wizard chess and chess theories (37 posts) 3.14.2 Firewoks (0) 3.14.3 Other games (4) Kathy W From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 19 14:25:56 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:25:56 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgki4b+netq@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgmhpk+faon@eGroups.com> Jen wrote: > Jen: *whew* so good to get this update. > > About Snape. He's intriguing me more after the little brouhaha on > the the tower. I'm not certain my depth of knowledge is equal to > many of you, though! If no one steps forward on this one, I can do > it after characterization. Kathy W: The Snape section is huge...and from the looks of the current list, it's going to get huger. (You know, before July I would never have said that!) My suggestion is to code the first 100--200 posts and then reject everything else as "adds nothing new". I was just kidding! Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I would be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and Snape will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be portions) to the rest of us. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 19 15:47:00 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:47:00 -0000 Subject: Magical Plants Message-ID: <dgmmhk+8mn1@eGroups.com> 3.12 Magical Plants 0 3.12.1 Mimbulus Mimbletonia was 0 is 0 3.12.2 Mandrakes/mandragora was 40 now 31 3.12.3 Whomping Willow was 13 now 8 3.12.4 gillyweed was 4 now 4 Not a big section, as you can see. Biggest cuts were from the days when we all coded everything that moved. In the case of the mandrakes, there were a number of themes which were repeated. Oddly enough, all 4 posts about gillyweed had to do with gilly water. We don't have a code for gilly water. Nor am I saying we need one. I'll get to that heading tomorrow. Kathy W who does not remember if it is gilly weed or gillyweed and the same for gillywater. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Sep 19 16:42:39 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:42:39 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgmhpk+faon@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgmppv+qki1@eGroups.com> > Kathy W: > The Snape section is huge...and from the looks of the current list, > it's going to get huger. (You know, before July I would never have > said that!) > > My suggestion is to code the first 100--200 posts and then reject > everything else as "adds nothing new". Jen: Darn, you figured out my strategy. On to plan B. :) KathyW: > Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I would > be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and Snape > will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the > reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it > down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be portions) > to the rest of us. Jen: Actually, that's a very good idea. Not only for my personal sanity (I just checked the section and had second thoughts), but also so big-time Snape fans are involved. The Snape category will probably be the most frequent category clicked on so the more Snapey eyes the better. Oh, and I third Anne's idea about beta-testing this baby before the launch. Jen, who doesn't know what a pea-pickin' heart is either but thinks having hers blessed sounds like a very good thing for even *thinking* about wandering into the Snape arena. From annemehr at yahoo.com Mon Sep 19 17:31:53 2005 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:53 -0000 Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgmppv+qki1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgmsm9+54s0@eGroups.com> > KathyW: > > Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I > would > > be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and > Snape > > will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the > > reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it > > down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be > portions) > > to the rest of us. > > Jen: Actually, that's a very good idea. Not only for my personal > sanity (I just checked the section and had second thoughts), but > also so big-time Snape fans are involved. The Snape category will > probably be the most frequent category clicked on so the more Snapey > eyes the better. Anne: *ponders* I'm not sure, but I think Talisman had got so far as making new Snape categories to sort the Snapey posts into. If so, then that part's done (and if she hasn't posted them already, maybe Talisman could give us definitions for those categories). The point of the review is for one person to sort through a category, because that one person will then know what's repetitive, besides throwing out the posts that don't really fit in any case. If more than one person does the Snape category, each will not know what the other is keeping -- so they may end up keeping very similar posts and having a few inconsistencies. However, the Harry category I am doing is just about as big as Snape, and I am finding that I can't always remember if I've kept a post with a certain type of idea or not, after reviewing over a thousand already. So, I plan on re-reviewing each of my Harry categories at the end anyway to weed out the last of the repetitiveness. That shouldn't take to long, once I've cut it all down to managable proportions and decent posts. So IF Carolyn doesn't mind breaking up the Snape category among several reviewers, I suggest a two-stage process. First, several people take bits of Snape and review them. Be very picky about which posts you keep. Then, after that first review, *one* person go through everything that's left and cull even more, making sure everything makes sense. I'd also suggest the Snape reviewers all be people who have reviewed other categories already, since reviewing experience will be a huge plus. *looks up at long post* Wow, I really ran off at the mouth -- or keyboard! Sorry. ~Anne not touching Snape with a ten foot broomstick From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Sep 19 20:40:41 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:40:41 -0000 Subject: Various responses Message-ID: <dgn7o9+36ag@eGroups.com> Kelly: > This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories. I'm > undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts. Anne: If a post is good discussion of S!H (i.e. more than just mentioning it in passing), go ahead and add the S!H code and also Review Coding. Carolyn: I've just worked through Kelly's colour section, implementing her suggested changes. I found that on all the posts which she had marked 'sh', these were already coded to Stoned!Harry. I decided to do nothing, but to leave the decision to Anne as to whether to leave that code on or not. Kelly had not suggested adding the code to any additional posts. ********* Kelly: > Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green eyes. Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few of the posts I came across carried this category. I decided to keep those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code. Anne: >from her comments I'm guessing Kelly has a version of the catalogue from before we made all those new Harry categories (she has Harry's Eyes as 2.5.1.0, which is now ANOTHER HARRY) Carolyn: Yes, the code for Harry's eyes is now 2.5.1.5.1. When I looked at Kelly's suggested additions for that category, I decided it might be quicker to list them here, and for Anne to decide whether they added anything to her category. The post # are: 5565 30165 30167 33022 33067 43035 ******** Anne: I was thinking maybe we could use a few test subjects to give the catalogue a dry run -- people who have never worked on our catalogue before. Some of these people could be ones you'd asked to help catalogue who declined because of time constraints, and we could also ask members of TOC. (and everyone who seconded this idea) C - Never fear, this was always part of the plan. Our beta group is likely to be all the elves, and those that keep a watch on us here but don't do much <g>. It's about 20-30 people in all, which should be sufficient to de-bug it before we go public. ********* > Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice > Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it Debbie: Do I need to empty it? I think I've moved all the posts that need to be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted. Do I need to do it by hand? Carolyn: I could ask Paul to do it, but it takes him a while to get around to such requests. I'll email him tonight and see what happens. ******* Ginger: Clear as mud? Of course! That's how the section seems to be. C- erm...I think we'll trust a veteran of the Lupin section to deal with any little problems Quidditch throws up.. ******* KathyW: As I recall, as we completed a review, we were to update/change the definition of the section. At the moment, I can't find the site where we do that. And to be honest, I'm not sure I've kept my sections up to date. What's the best way to "review" that? Carolyn: This should be done in one of the four database sections entitled 1. Text analysis 2. Character analysis 3. Wizarding World 4. Other topics Not many people have revised the old definitions within those databases, and we need to do that in order to paste the new definitions into the live database. When you do do some editing, could you highlight it by putting /EDITED after your name in the column far right. If you scroll through, you'll find some have been done, so follow that style. KathyW: In looking over your updated sections, I see that I'd once asked about the chance of lumping Gryffindors (Slytherins, etc) together when a post was about the gang rather than one specific student (although several students might be named.) Did we ever discuss that? C- It depends what it's about. Most likely it would be a reference to characteristics of house Slytherin ?? In which case we'd use one of the House codes down in section 3. ******* SNAPE: Jen takes a suicidal leap, but as she runs over the edge remembers AmandaGeist, Pippin, erm, the entire old crowd: >If no one steps forward on this one, I can do it after characterization... >(I just checked the section and had second thoughts), The rest of the team rush forward to save her, and have the bright idea of giving the problem to me: KathyW: Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be portions) to the rest of us. Anne, who's been there, speaks words of reason: So IF Carolyn doesn't mind breaking up the Snape category among several reviewers, I suggest a two-stage process. First, several people take bits of Snape and review them. Be very picky about which posts you keep. Then, after that first review, *one* person go through everything that's left and cull even more, making sure everything makes sense. C.. Um, I was going to offer to do him. I know there is no real escape. I figure if do Voldemort AND Snape I'll feel a bit better about all the other sections you are all ploughing through. I've a pretty good idea of the sub categories, and will discuss further with Talisman to see if she had any other preliminary ideas. Maybe I will then plough through some 1000 or so posts, to see how they fit the sections. Once I am surer about the fit/definitions, we could possibly think about breaking up the task between consenting adults. Then, as Anne suggests, go back over the whole thing again once more. Carolyn, sighing. Yeah, ok, the catalogue probably will be judged on the quality of the Snape category. Gulp. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Tue Sep 20 02:49:35 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:49:35 -0000 Subject: Various responses In-Reply-To: <dgn7o9+36ag@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dgntbv+ifgq@eGroups.com> C.. > Um, I was going to offer to do him. I know there is no real escape. > I figure if do Voldemort AND Snape I'll feel a bit better about all > the other sections you are all ploughing through. > Carolyn, sighing. > Yeah, ok, the catalogue probably will be judged on the quality of > the Snape category. Gulp. Dobby: "Dobby knew Miss was smart and organized, but about her bravery, Dobby did not know! And about her streak of insanity, Dobby is not sure what to say, but her nobility! Miss saving that poor girl from the likes of the Snapologists....." Jen, who will start back to work now after being saved from herself yet again and thanking Carolyn profusely ;). From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 20 13:21:42 2005 From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:21:42 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September In-Reply-To: <dgkgdt+fejj@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <mailman.0.1576038207.1680.hpfgu-catalogue@archive.hpfgu.org> Hi All, Anne wrote: >>> I think it might be informative if we recruited a new type of help before the public unveiling. I was thinking maybe we could use a few test subjects to give the catalogue a dry run -- people who have never worked on our catalogue before. Some of these people could be ones you'd asked to help catalogue who declined because of time constraints, and we could also ask members of TOC. <<< I agree. I think this will be essential to refine the visual presentation of the catalogue before we get it right. TOC is a good recruiting ground for test subjects, as is HPfGU and Mod. I do imagine that there'll be several iterations of the UI before we decide to go public. Before we even started designing Carolyn, Paul, and I had lengthy discussions about the differing nature of browsing and searching, and I'm sure they'll be more discussions like that to be had here as we refine the design. Sorry I cannot give a date yet - I'll keep y'all posted. Cheers, Tim / Dumbledad. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Sep 22 13:19:58 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:19:58 -0000 Subject: Chocolate Frog Cards Message-ID: <dgub1u+d5hc@eGroups.com> I'm going through 3.13 Food and Diet. Of note is 3.13.2 Chocolate Frog Cards. While the chocolate frogs are food, the cards are not. None of the many, many posts have anything to do with food. Well, one does, but only indirectly. Two posts have to do with the magical qualities of pictures and photographs and both are coded to that heading as well as to 3.13.2. Ten have to do with the wizards or witches who can be found on the cards. At this point only three or four individuals are named. A couple are also coded to the appropriate witch/wizard under the historical wizard section, but not everyone has their own code...nor do they need one. I'm not sure how much more discussion of the cards will happen when we get into OoP. With the new activity of Headmaster portraits, new ideas about the cards might come up. In the distant future of coding, there will be posts about the Wizard of the Month from JKR's site. No doubt in the same avalanche of numbers as we have in this heading now. My recommendation is to make a slight change in 3.7.8 Photographs and Portraits so that it includes posts about the magical nature of pictures on the frog cards. That can be in the name or the definition. These posts are already coded there anyway. Then, move Choclolate Frog Cards into the 2.12 Historical Wizarding Characters as 2.12.7 Characters from cards and calendar. This section would be for discussions about witches and wizards who appeared on cards/calendar but who do not merit their own heading. Oh, was 15, now 12. Kathy W. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sat Sep 24 19:39:51 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:39:51 -0000 Subject: Chocolate Frog Cards In-Reply-To: <dgub1u+d5hc@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dh4a27+hrb8@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> wrote: > My recommendation is to make a slight change in 3.7.8 Photographs and > Portraits so that it includes posts about the magical nature of > pictures on the frog cards. That can be in the name or the > definition. These posts are already coded there anyway. > > Then, move Choclolate Frog Cards into the 2.12 Historical Wizarding > Characters as 2.12.7 Characters from cards and calendar. This section > would be for discussions about witches and wizards who appeared on > cards/calendar but who do not merit their own heading. > Carolyn: I think that Chocolate Frog Cards would be a good subset of 2.12, definitely, so I'll do that right away. I am less sure about expanding the heading of 3.7.8 because people might start putting the wrong things there. I suppose we could call it Photographs, pictures & portraits? From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Sep 25 17:39:11 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:39:11 -0000 Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September Message-ID: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com> PROGRESS As of today, we have coded 68600 and rejected 40715, which brings our reject rate up another notch to 59.3%. REVISED FILES & DATABASES I have brought the three revised definition files up to date with this week's decisions and uploaded them to our files sections. These are the ones called: Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis Revised Definitions, Section 2 Character Analysis Revised Definitions, Section 3 Wizarding World I have also done some more work on the lists of categories and uploaded new versions in both Word and Excel formats. These are the ones called: Current Categories Word 25th September Current Categories Excel 25th September These two last files now exactly reflect the content which is in the: Review Allocations Database and especially a new numbering system. I have gone all the way through that database and given each section a number from 1-106. I have also checked and corrected which sub-sections are covered within each of those numbered sections, as they had got a bit out of date. As a result of all that, it seems that we have definitely done 77 out of 106 sections, but there are some queries outstanding, see below. Some of these I raised last week. REVIEW QUERIES (I am using the new numbered blocks - please see dbase for more info) GROUP 1 (Good n' evil) Still waiting to hear back from Dicentra as to whether she included sub-sections 1.1.1.1, 1.1.1.2, 1.1.1.4 and 1.1.1.5 in her review. I think she did, but want to double-check. If so, that section is finished. GROUP 6 (Class system, bigotry & prejudice) Carolyn: Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it Debbie: Do I need to empty it? I think I've moved all the posts that need to be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted. Do I need to do it by hand? Carolyn: I could ask Paul to do it, but it takes him a while to get around to such requests. I'll email him tonight and see what happens. Carolyn (again): Snaggette. If he does this automatically, any post that ends up with no coding as a result will not be rejected properly - ie, a reject code selected and the reject button ticked. It would probably be quicker to do it by hand to make sure things happen correctly. I just had to re-check 127 posts where we'd tried to do the same thing for Kathy (1.2.12 Calculating characters ages). Ok now, but the auto option didn't save much time overall. GROUP 13 (Authorial intent etc) This is finished apart from a re-check of 1.2.4.4 ESE!, as we have discussed. GROUP 17 (Back History) This is nearly finished, but I don't think 1.2.8.8 and 1.2.8.9 were included when it was done. They need rechecking by someone - volunteers? GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II) I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that group is also finished. GROUP 22 (Group Dynamics) Please note that whoever picks up this section that KathyK has already done two bits of it - 1.2.11 and 1.2.11.3, but they may need re-checking once the sort out of the complete section is finished. GROUP 53 (Argus Filch) Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers with suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in implementing them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? It's about a 100 posts. GROUP 86 (WW History/Law & Order) Please note whoever picks this up that Doug has done section 3.1.1 Pre-1900 history GROUP 87 (Health & Physiology/Bloodlines & Inheritance/Quidditch/WW Culture & Media) Ginger, I think you have volunteered for this section, but just wanted to alert you to the fact that three sections have had other people working on them recently: 3.5.2.2 Squibs (Dot) 3.5.4 Blood protection at Privet Drive (Dot) 3.6.3 Hogwart's Quidditch Teams (Kelly) If you look in the Revised Definitions file (Section 3), you'll see the notes of the discussion. GROUP 102 (Differences between editions) Debbie, re our discussion about the new category 1.2.6.8 Grammar, capitalisation and punctuation, I wondered if you should double check what Jo had put into 4.1.2.1 capitalisation and punctuation in this section. There looks to be some potential overlap. GROUP 104 (JKR Interviews & comments) I need to double-check with Barry that he did all the sub-sections in this Group. ... I think that's everything for this week! Carolyn From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Sun Sep 25 19:02:03 2005 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:02:03 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Update, Sunday 25th September In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com> References: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <0E6379A7-0DF5-445C-A136-D70A353348AE@btconnect.com> > > GROUP 104 (JKR Interviews & comments) > I need to double-check with Barry that he did all the sub-sections in > this Group. > > > .. I think that's everything for this week! > > Carolyn Did 'em way back. Being the fairly specific subject matter it is, it's unlikely (though faintly possible) that posts appropriate to this section have been in limbo elsewhere and have since been re-discovered and correctly assigned. Might also be possible that any further cataloguing activities undertaken since the great review may have added a few more to the original list. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Mon Sep 26 02:51:43 2005 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:51:43 -0000 Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dh7nnv+vpop@eGroups.com> Carolyn: > GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II) > I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do > 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that group > is also finished. Jen: That's my section, but what happened to the rest of the categories? I was down for sections 1.2.10-1.2.10.6 as of last week, but you're saying I only need to complete psychological assessments? (I can't get into the catalogue at the moment to check exactly which categories were left to do). > GROUP 53 (Argus Filch) > Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers with > suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in implementing > them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? It's about > a 100 posts. Jen: I can do this one, just send me the post numbers. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Sep 26 07:11:19 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:11:19 -0000 Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September In-Reply-To: <dh7nnv+vpop@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dh86un+f1mr@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> wrote: > Carolyn: > > GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II) > > I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do > > 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that > group is also finished. > > Jen: That's my section, but what happened to the rest of the > categories? I was down for sections 1.2.10-1.2.10.6 as of last week, but you're saying I only need to complete psychological assessments? (I can't get into the catalogue at the moment to check exactly which categories were left to do). Carolyn: Alas, never fear, you are still down to do those sections, but they are in a different group, Group 20. Have a quick look in the dbase here on this site (Review allocations) and you will see what I mean. I didn't run through all the outstanding sections that people are working on, just pulled out some areas that if we focused on finishing one subsection, it would actually complete a review group. I queried group 21 as actually Debbie did all the other sections in it, and I wondered which of you had thought you were doing the last bit. Sort of psychological approach - by just checking up and doing some small things it would improve our current score of 77 groups complete to about 85 by next week I think! > > > GROUP 53 (Argus Filch) > > Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers with suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in implementing them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? It's about a 100 posts. > > Jen: I can do this one, just send me the post numbers. Carolyn: Thanks so much, I'll do that. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 26 15:31:08 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:31:08 -0000 Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dh947s+819g@eGroups.com> > Carolyn (again): > Snaggette. If he does this automatically, any post that ends up with > no coding as a result will not be rejected properly - ie, a reject > code selected and the reject button ticked. It would probably be > quicker to do it by hand to make sure things happen correctly. I just > had to re-check 127 posts where we'd tried to do the same thing for > Kathy (1.2.12 Calculating characters ages). Ok now, but the auto > option didn't save much time overall. Kathy W: So is 1.2.12 done or do I need to go back and re-work something? > Carolyn: > I think that Chocolate Frog Cards would be a good subset of 2.12, > definitely, so I'll do that right away. I am less sure about expanding > the heading of 3.7.8 because people might start putting the wrong > things there. I suppose we could call it Photographs, pictures & > portraits? Kathy W: I think that would work. I'm just thinking of the posts that will come up about the magical properties of DD's chocolate Frog Card picture. I would think that if you make those two changes, moving CF cards to historical wizards, and adding pictures to 3.7.8 then CF card posts would fall into one or the other, but rarely both. From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Sep 26 16:42:06 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:42:06 -0000 Subject: Food and Drink 3.13 Message-ID: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com> Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. Except I need to re- code Choc Frog cards. Droobles Best Blowing Gum was and is 0. We know there are going to be posts about the anagrams, and about the possibility of poison in the gum, and questions about where the bubbles were if Alice was chewing all that gum. So in preparation should we agree now that Droobles anagrams go into 1.2.6.7 Anagrams; and poisoned gum or missing bubbles go into 3.13.3? Or does it all fall into some Longbottom theory code? After I recode the cards, I'll follow up on updating definitions and then take on a new category. Kathy W. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Mon Sep 26 18:32:29 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:32:29 -0000 Subject: Weasley Ages/Food and Drink 3.13/Droobles In-Reply-To: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dh9ert+vup6@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> wrote: > Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. C - it's tough work, cataloguing.. Kathy W: So is 1.2.12 done or do I need to go back and re-work something? C - no, it's ok, it's now done, ie no posts there anymore. The bigger question is how to stop people cataloguing to that heading, after making a decision to move everything to it's sub-sections. As it's a level 3 head, it's still possible to do so. KathyW: I would think that if you make those two changes, moving CF cards to historical wizards, and adding pictures to 3.7.8 then CF card posts would fall into one or the other, but rarely both. C - I'll make the change to 3.7.8. Remember to amend the definition for both sections. KathyW: Droobles Best Blowing Gum was and is 0. We know there are going to be posts about the anagrams, and about the possibility of poison in the gum, and questions about where the bubbles were if Alice was chewing all that gum. So in preparation should we agree now that Droobles anagrams go into 1.2.6.7 Anagrams; and poisoned gum or missing bubbles go into 3.13.3? Or does it all fall into some Longbottom theory code? C - Hm, on reflection, I think it is rather confusing having a whole sub-head under food & drink for Droobles gum, especially if there have been no posts yet about it just as a sweet, as opposed to a theory. My feeling is that we should delete it as sub-head 3.13.3, and put all anagrams/theories with the Neville theory at..I've just looked, and we don't even have the theory under Neville, Alice or Frank actually. How about I move 3.13.3 to be a new subset under Neville ? Debbie - you did the section - any thoughts?? From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue Sep 27 11:27:12 2005 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Food and Drink 3.13 In-Reply-To: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <20050927112713.89611.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote: Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. Except I need to re- code Choc Frog cards. (snip) After I recode the cards, I'll follow up on updating definitions and then take on a new category. Ginger says: I've got pics, ports, and paints, or whatever we are calling it now. I haven't started it yet, so I don't know if there are any posts about frog cards there. I'll wait until you are finished, and then go through it as a whole. Let me know when you are done, ok? I have plenty of other items to do in the meantime, so don't worry about me getting bored or anything:o) Ginger, who put in overtime last weekend (24 hours in 2 days)and didn't get very much done here. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://archive.hpfgu.org/pipermail/hpfgu-catalogue/attachments/20050927/2ee0c68c/attachment.html> From willsonkmom at msn.com Tue Sep 27 11:35:40 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:40 -0000 Subject: Food and Drink 3.13 In-Reply-To: <20050927112713.89611.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <dhbaqc+611p@eGroups.com> > Ginger says: > > I've got pics, ports, and paints, or whatever we are calling it now. I haven't started it yet, so I don't know if there are any posts about frog cards there. I'll wait until you are finished, and then go through it as a whole. Let me know when you are done, ok? I have plenty of other items to do in the meantime, so don't worry about me getting bored or anything:o) Kathy W: The posts were already co-coded to Pics. It'll just be a case of my uncoding the choc frog code. From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Sep 29 12:25:50 2005 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:25:50 -0000 Subject: backtracking & Food Message-ID: <dhgmge+10199@eGroups.com> Potioncat stands at her desk and begins to speak in a loud and clear voice. "When backpacking, one should always give thought to the types and amount of food that will be needed. It is important to..." Ginger taps her on the shoulder and whispers loudly, "It's not 'Backpacking and Food', it's 'Backtracking' and 'Food'." "Oh, well, but I've done all this research..." Food and Drink posts have been moved. Carol, you can take 3.13.2 and 3.13.3 out of that section. I've been reviewing the database to update all the sections I've done. If codes have been removed from the cataloging tool, should I delete them from the database or are you in charge of that? And in reviewing the database for my own work, I've been amazed at the productivity some of you have put out! My hat is off to the MegaReviewers! Kathy W. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Fri Sep 30 19:03:21 2005 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:03:21 -0000 Subject: backtracking & Food In-Reply-To: <dhgmge+10199@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <dhk25p+ojfm@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> wrote: > Potioncat stands at her desk and begins to speak in a loud and clear voice. "When backpacking, one should always give thought to the types and amount of food that will be needed. It is important to..." > > Ginger taps her on the shoulder and whispers loudly, "It's > not 'Backpacking and Food', it's 'Backtracking' and 'Food'." > > "Oh, well, but I've done all this research..." > > Food and Drink posts have been moved. Carol, you can take 3.13.2 and 3.13.3 out of that section. > > I've been reviewing the database to update all the sections I've > done. If codes have been removed from the cataloging tool, should I > delete them from the database or are you in charge of that? > Miss H staggers into the catalogue office after a day at the coalface. A piece of paper is pinned to her desk with a dessert fork. It is covered with foodstains and greasy thumbprints. After considering it from several angles, Miss H decides to seek clarification: - so, no posts at all about chewing gum or chocolate frogs as food items? Magical cooking and diet become 3.13.2 and 3.13.3 respectively? - by cataloguing tool, you mean the live dbase that we code on? - if so, yes, remove unwanted codes from the definitions dbases, and only update the definitions for those sections that remain; conversely, add in any codes that have been put in the live dbase, but don't exist in the definitions dbase. Having further confused everyone, Miss H gives it up as a bad job and apparates to the Archers' discussion boards, to find out what everyone thought of tonight's gripping episode, and indeed, a gruelling week's listening. One suggestion is that George (residual sproglet from Ed'n'Em's illicit liaison) is in fact Harry Potter. No, really, I cannot begin to explain, but you are welcome to drop in ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi? x=y&offset=50&board=archers.otherstorylines&sort=T&state=init dunno if non-Brits can pick it up, but there is also a listen-again feature, so you can even hear the episodes being discussed. The authentic voice of middle England I tell you. ::snork:: (as they freqently remark.