From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  1 12:29:29 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:29:29 -0000
Subject: Done!
Message-ID: <df6s79+5eru@eGroups.com>

Ginger smiles and hands in her finished project.

Magic travel: was 598, now 342

My only comment is about portkeys.  There were a lot of "why didn't 
Moody use a fillintheblank, which could have been used at any time, 
rather than using the cup?"

If the discussion was about turning an object into a portkey, I kept 
it.  If it was about what LV intended to do had he defeated Harry, 
and had precious little to do with portkeys, I uncoded it.  The ones 
I uncoded were all coded to places that were more appropriate.  It 
was kind of a fine line, and I erred on the side of keeping them.  

Oh, yes, and re: apparating and disappatating- you can't do it at 
Hogwarts.  Hermione says so.  It's in Hogwarts: A History.  We know 
that.  No need to code any more posts that say that in their entirety.
It's kind of like Lupin means wolf.

I will now endeavour to review Magical Items, unless anyone objects.

Unless I am mistaken, the remaining topics yet to be reviewed are:

Pronunciation/Speech patterns
Symbolism and Runes (some of which has been done by Laurasia-check 
the database)
Morality vs Immorality
Death/Burial practices
Parenting/ Maturity vs immaturity
WW Health through Media (note that Dot has done squibs)
Bravery/Cowerdace and fear
Geographic locations

Corrections?

Ginger, noting that we're getting close!





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  1 14:11:13 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:11:13 -0000
Subject: connection down/have you fixed it?/OI YOU LOT
In-Reply-To: <deqg4g+snip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <df7261+itjh@eGroups.com>

> Annoyed, Miss Havisham winds up the tannoy:
> 
> OI, YOU MISERABLE LOT, HOLIDAYS COMING TO AN END!
> 
> THAT INCLUDES THE IT SUPPORT STAFF! WHAT'S ALL THIS RUBBISH ABOUT 
> DIGGING UP THE ROAD..REALLY YOU ARE JUST REBUILDING YOUR COMPUTER 
FOR 
> FUN, ADMIT IT..

Jen wandered into the catalogue office a day late and, as usual, a 
dollar short. She looked a little...different. Still in pajamas, 
slumped over from carrying the entire canon around for quick 
reference, her eyes downcast and dejected. She had a six-pack of 
Butterbeer slung on her back and the tolerance of Winky, apparently, 
from the way she weaved through the office, hiccuping. She spotted 
Ginger at her desk. 

"Thank god, Ginger! I can't take it anymore. They're saying R.A.B is 
just *Regulus*, and Harry's eyes? We may already know their 
significance, to get that damn memory from Slughorn. What happened to 
our little Rowena Amy Benson? All the THEORIES?" She flung her hands 
over her eyes, wailing, and in the process dropped the heavy books all 
over the floor. 

Ginger winced, wondering just how many days in a row Jen had spent 
glued to the computer drinking Butterbeer, trawling the lists in hopes 
of finding a shiny new theory somewhere, something to take her mind 
off the fear.....the fear that everything was going to be exactly as 
it seemed after HBP. Straightforward, JKR said. *Straightforward* of 
all things, and she seemed to mean it.

"There, there, pull yourself together Wink--, I mean, Jen. Miss will 
be back any time, she's in a ferocious temper from having to actually 
go into the office to work, not to mention a technology breakdown. 
*Several* breakdowns." Ginger shuddered as she imagined the state Miss 
Havisham might be in after the supposed holiday. Ginger gently removed 
the Butterbeer from Jen's back and steered her to her spidery 
cupboard. "There, there, you sleep it off dear. I'll tell Miss you're, 
erm, deep in thought about the importance of the catalogue and can't 
be disturbed."

Jen gave Ginger a grateful, watery smile, fell unsteadily into her 
chair and gently lay her head down on the dusty pile of 
papers. "There's still the dragon blood..." Jen whispered hopefully, 
as she drifted off to sleep.

Jen, giving up on theorizing for the moment and back to work on 
Characterization. Much belated thanks to Ginger for putting the 
database in order!






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  1 15:21:24 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0000
Subject: MY connection's down
Message-ID: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com>

Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all
morning.  I'm trying:

http://67.174.174.185:443

Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old
one before)?  Should I email Paul?

Can I spell it "connexion" when I'm here?  :D

~Anne
deaf in one ear from the tannoy,

happy for Regulus,

but quite unhappy about parts of that Memerson interview...






From ewetoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep  1 16:00:12 2005
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 02:00:12 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] MY connection's down
In-Reply-To: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com>
References: <df769k+71jl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050901160012.GB7371@4dot0.net>

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 03:21:24PM -0000, annemehr wrote:
> Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all
> morning.  I'm trying:
> 
> http://67.174.174.185:443
> 
> Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old
> one before)?  Should I email Paul?
> 
> Can I spell it "connexion" when I'm here?  :D

I got in without a problem. Perhaps Paul was burping it. Can I code something,
Miss Haversham? My time at this residence is likely to be limited to another
month, and I have no idea at the moment if I will be online continuously after
that. So may as well be useful while I can (fingers crossed tho).

ewe2, wondering what interview this one is?!

-- 
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage




From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Sep  1 20:37:48 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:37:48 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
Message-ID: <df7oqs+h7go@eGroups.com>

Ginger smiles and hands in her finished project.

Magic travel: was 598, now 342


C - what a hero, thanks...

I will now endeavour to review Magical Items, unless anyone objects.

Ginger:
Unless I am mistaken, the remaining topics yet to be reviewed are:

Pronunciation/Speech patterns
Symbolism and Runes (some of which has been done by Laurasia-check
the database)
Morality vs Immorality
Death/Burial practices
Parenting/ Maturity vs immaturity
WW Health through Media (note that Dot has done squibs)
Bravery/Cowerdace and fear
Geographic locations

Corrections?

Ginger, noting that we're getting close!

Carolyn:
Feel free to pick another topic. My thought at the moment is to 
finish the review before moving on. I have mailed Paul and Tim to 
find out what is happening on the UI (not a lot I fear). I think we 
should try and launch what we have done so far...

******
Jen:
"Thank god, Ginger! I can't take it anymore. They're saying R.A.B is 
just *Regulus*, and Harry's eyes? We may already know their
significance, to get that damn memory from Slughorn. What happened to 
our little Rowena Amy Benson? All the THEORIES?" She flung her hands 
over her eyes, wailing, and in the process dropped the heavy books 
all over the floor.

Ginger winced, wondering just how many days in a row Jen had spent
glued to the computer drinking Butterbeer, trawling the lists in 
hopes of finding a shiny new theory somewhere, something to take her 
mind off the fear.....the fear that everything was going to be 
exactly as it seemed after HBP. Straightforward, JKR said. 
*Straightforward* of all things, and she seemed to mean it.

C.. yeah, boring isn't it? I've had the same ever-increasing 
suspicion ever since OOP, and that her plotting skills are dodgy, too 
be charitable. Still you religious moralists can have a field day, 
can't you. The world's children can sleep safe in their beds, secure 
in the knowledge that JKR is going to do the Right Thing by y'all. 
Yawn.

******
Anne:
Seems like I'm the only one? I haven't been able to get in all
morning. I'm trying:

http://67.174.174.185:443

Is that the right one (I've been known to click frustratedly at an old
one before)? Should I email Paul?

C - the catalogue address you are using is correct, and I just went 
in, so it is working ok - please email Paul if you have continuing 
problems getting in.

~Anne
deaf in one ear from the tannoy,

happy for Regulus,

but quite unhappy about parts of that Memerson interview...

C - huh, what's good about Regulus? It creaks

..which one was the Memerson interview?? The one the shippers were 
winging about?

********
Sean:
Can I code something, Miss Haversham? My time at this residence is 
likely to be limited to another month, and I have no idea at the 
moment if I will be online continuously after
that. So may as well be useful while I can (fingers crossed tho).

ewe2, wondering what interview this one is?!

C - would really rather you reviewed please Sean, rather than start 
the OOP posts. How about Death/Burial practices from Ginger's list 
above? A nice, pleasantly warming topic for late Aug..

BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily 
recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' by  
Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). They are a black, black send up 
of Raymond Chandler in essence, but brilliantly funny. The thing non-
Brits have to understand is that Aberystwth is the Swindon/Reading of 
Wales - a complete non-entity of a seaside Welsh town, absolutely 
terminably forgettable. Oh, and that the Welsh are the butt of all 
otherwise Belgian jokes.

Pryce has written this fantastically sinister escapade where the 
whole place is run by gangster Druids and dangerous cleaning ladies, 
notably Mrs Llantrisant, who ends up dropping a dam-buster bouncing 
bomb on a Welsh reservoir. It is side-splittingly, achingly funny, 
but you may have needed to have done your degree in Cardiff, as I did 
to fully appreciate the wickedness of it. 

In the new one he has international gossip tournamounts, where old 
bags vie to dish the most dirt on their neighbours, a cartel 
stitching up the doily market and old witches in stovepipe hats with 
a nice line in titanium spinning wheels...

chortle chortle

**********

Dot:
She grabs a post-it note and scribbles: "Dear Miss, I have got a big
fat horrid PhD viva in <<swallows hard and goes faintly green>> 9
days. Will call you when the hangover subsides. Best, Dung."

C - Hey, I hope it goes well.. How about lunch ? I'm in Chiswick and 
thus south of the river far too often for comfort these days. Let me 
know.


Carolyn



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From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  3 08:51:05 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:51:05 -0000
Subject: Foe Glass
Message-ID: <dfbo5p+mbuq@eGroups.com>

Hidey-ho folks!

Just popping in with a comment mostly directed at Talisman.  I am 
reviewing Magical Items, and found 4 posts about the Foe Glass under 
the main heading.  I moved them to Dark Detectors, which is Talisman's 
field, and marked them with review coding and a note in the bottom box 
that I had moved them.

I just thought they belonged there and wanted to give a heads-up in 
case Talisman was working on that category at this time, or had 
finished it and wanted to go back and check that they weren't "adds 
nothing new" posts in that category.

Ginger, happy as a clam today, having received word that her cousin 
has been safely evacuated from New Orleans.  (She's a nurse and stayed 
behind to help.)





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  3 11:49:43 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:49:43 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <df7oqs+h7go@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfc2kn+o2n1@eGroups.com>

Carolyn:
> BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily 
> recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' by 
Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). 

Dot:
Is the sequel as good as the first one?
Ever read any Connie Willis? I quite enjoyed "To Say Nothing of the 
Dog."

> Dot:
> She grabs a post-it note and scribbles: "Dear Miss, I have got a 
big fat horrid PhD viva in <<swallows hard and goes faintly green>> 9
> days. Will call you when the hangover subsides. Best, Dung."
> 
> C - Hey, I hope it goes well.. How about lunch ? I'm in Chiswick 
and thus south of the river far too often for comfort these days. 
Let me know.
> 
Dot:
Thanks very much, I hope it will go well too (though I've just 
noticed some missing tables in the appendix and am starting to 
worry). Lunch sounds splendid - I'll be panicking on Monday, in 
Reading for the viva on Tuesday, and probably hungover for much of 
Wednesday, but should be lounging around South Ken Thursday and 
Friday if you're free then.

Dot
Glad that Ginger's cousin is ok (and belatedly thanking her for all 
her hard work), but otherwise gobsmacked by the scale of the 
disaster.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep  4 09:34:59 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:34:59 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <dfc2kn+o2n1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> Carolyn:
> > BTW, for anyone suffering Fforde withdrawal pangs, I do heavily 
> > recommend 'Aberystwth Mon Amour' and 'Last Tango in Aberystwth' 
by 
> Malcom Pryce (in that reading order). 
> 
> Dot:
> Is the sequel as good as the first one?
> Ever read any Connie Willis? I quite enjoyed "To Say Nothing of the 
> Dog."

Carolyn:
Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. I am 
in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across London 
every day.

If anything this sequel is better, but essential to have read the 
first one to get all the jokes. Like Fforde, it's kinda difficult to 
pick a bit out because it builds and builds in the same dead pan send 
up mode, but here's a snip from one of the gossip opening rounds. 

[To non-Brits, you have to imagine all this in the sing-song Welsh 
accent; think Dylan Thomas and all the stories you ever heard about 
Dai the tank engine.].

'The bell dinged and the lady in the red scarf started.
'Well, anyway, Mrs Benyon was just saying that it's not her first one 
that Mrs Jenkins was talking about. It's the elder one - she's got 
two, hasn't she? - the youngest one is still in Penwiddig, isn't it? 
And the eldest is out at Talybont married to the chap whose father 
ran the garage that was knocked down, anyway it wasn't him it was his 
brother whose two boys were in the same class as the daughter of the 
one from the woman who lives above the bakers in Llanfarian - '

There were cries of 'Logic! Logic!' from the blue corner and after a 
quick conference among the judges the charge was upheld. The woman in 
the red scarf picked herself up off the canvas and came out 
fighting: 'Anyway, it was her niece what made the jam for the "bring 
and buy" after her husband came back from the mines with emphysema - '

There was a roar of delight from one section of the crowd and the 
other section looked stony-faced. Two ladies in front of me turned to 
each other and swapped disapproving nods. Another lady in front of 
them turned round and said, 'It wasn't emphysema at all - it was 
nothing to do with aureoles as such - '
'I heard it was viral,' said another spectator, 'but they weren't 
quite sure what.'
'You'd think she'd test her weak spot with mumps or measles or 
something first, wouldn't you!'
'Or maybe sciatica, that's always a good one, that is.'
'You watch!' the first one scoffed, 'Mrs Jenkins will trump her now 
with pneumoconiosis.'

Oh, it's brilliant, and even quite moving at the end. And the things 
that are alleged about Univ College Lampeter...did you you know they 
did Embalming Studies, and get their own cadaver to experiment on at 
the beginning of term?

::snort::

[Further notes for non-Brits - all Welsh towns with more than three 
people are university colleges..they tend to be very, very odd].


> Dot:
> Thanks very much, I hope it will go well too (though I've just 
> noticed some missing tables in the appendix and am starting to 
> worry). Lunch sounds splendid - I'll be panicking on Monday, in 
> Reading for the viva on Tuesday, and probably hungover for much of 
> Wednesday, but should be lounging around South Ken Thursday and 
> Friday if you're free then.
> 
> Dot
> Glad that Ginger's cousin is ok (and belatedly thanking her for all 
> her hard work), but otherwise gobsmacked by the scale of the 
> disaster.

Carolyn:
Thursday might be good, or Friday. I'll email you offlist to fix up.

Also horrified at what is happening in New Orleans, not least the 
incredible delay in getting those poor people out, although I see 
they have at last got around to a massive airlift. It's playing 
terribly across the news media worldwide. See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm

Carolyn





From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Sep  4 17:37:01 2005
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:37:01 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com>
References: <dfef43+itad@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <17EFAEFB-D9CB-4D55-9148-71181FEC3E44@btconnect.com>

>
> Carolyn:
> Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. I am
> in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across London
> every day.
>

Briefly unlurking.

Connie Willis - v.g.

'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and Nebula  
Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time-travel but  
several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both now and then.  
Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it well.

'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured somebody  
like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves around  
academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable.

Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the Dog',  
but what do I know?






From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  4 19:04:55 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:04:55 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <17EFAEFB-D9CB-4D55-9148-71181FEC3E44@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> >
> > Carolyn:
> > Alas no, I don't know Connie Willis, will investigate on Amazon. 
I am in dire need of reading material for the long hikes across 
London every day.
> >
> 
> Briefly unlurking.
> 
> Connie Willis - v.g.
> 
> 'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and 
Nebula Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time-
travel but several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both now 
and then.  Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it 
well.
> 
> 'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured 
somebody like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves 
around academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable.
> 
> Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the 
Dog', but what do I know?


Dot:
Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will 
try 'Doomsday Book'. 

Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the Fingerpost' 
by Ian Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact 
I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the last couple of years 
(not counting classics). It's not very light-hearted, though.





From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Sep  4 19:48:03 2005
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 20:48:03 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com>
References: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1B32AFE8-DDDB-490F-A86A-7E5AD811FDD5@btconnect.com>

> Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will
> try 'Doomsday Book'.
>
> Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the Fingerpost'
> by Ian Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact
> I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the last couple of years
> (not counting classics). It's not very light-hearted, though.
>

Very different to his other books (whodunnits set in the art world),  
much darker.
Doomsday Book isn't a bundle of laughs either - lots of deaths,  
mostly from disease.

One book that I've never understood why it's not in the top 10 of  
everyone's list of books to talk about - Flicker by Theodore Roszak.  
Weird conjunction of medieval heresy, history of film and detective  
story.

Recommend John Lawton - a series of 4 sort of police procedural books  
not far off Le Carre for quality (some whisper that they're better,  
at least when compared to his later ones):
Blackout - set in 1944
Old Flames - set against the background of Kruschev & Bulganin's  
visit in '56, with 'Buster' Crabbe mystery thrown in, plus Suez
Blue Rondo - '59, Kray twins as inspiration
A Little White Death - 1963, Profumo affair and Philby as inspirations.

Very evocative of the times which they describe. Well, the last three  
are, in '44
I wasn't taking much notice of what was going on around me.
Best read in chronological order -  previous action and characters  
carried over into later books.



From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  5 11:11:11 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:11:11 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <1B32AFE8-DDDB-490F-A86A-7E5AD811FDD5@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com>

 > Dot:
Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will
> > try 'Doomsday Book'.
> >

Dot (now):
Did you recommend Connie Willis before? I was trying to remember why 
I read them, and have absolutely no idea. Possibly that most evil of 
evil Amazonian inventions (customers who bought this also bought...) 
is to blame. But if it was you, thanks, I enjoyed them.

> > Speaking of Oxford, has anyone read 'An Instance of the 
Fingerpost' by Ia(i)n Pears? It's quite dense, but I thoroughly 
enjoyed it. In fact I'd rate it as the best thing I've read in the 
last couple of years (not counting classics). It's not very light-
hearted, though.
> >
> Barry:
> Very different to his other books (whodunnits set in the art 
world), much darker.
> Doomsday Book isn't a bundle of laughs either - lots of deaths,  
> mostly from disease.
> 
Dot:
Yes, I picked up The Bernini Bust in an airport after I'd read 
Fingerpost, and was rather disappointed. Won't bother with any 
others, I don't think. 

Barry:
> One book that I've never understood why it's not in the top 10 of  
> everyone's list of books to talk about - Flicker by Theodore 
Roszak.  
> Weird conjunction of medieval heresy, history of film and 
detective story.

Dot:
Sounds interesting, I think I'll try that too. I must also 
recommend 'The Sterkarm Handshake' by Susan Price. Time-
travel/historical with elements of fantasy, set in the 16th Century 
Scottish borders. The main character, Andrea, (from the 21st 
century) is a bit wet, but the 16th Century natives more than make 
up for her lack of bloodthirstiness.  Tons of blood and guts, and 
horses, and sheep-thieving and fleas and lice and murder and 
revenge ... and it's very cleverly written. Sequel's not really 
worth bothering with unless you like more of the same, as it doesn't 
really go anywhere new.






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Mon Sep  5 14:35:31 2005
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:35:31 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com>
References: <dfh94f+h3dk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com>

>
> Dot (now):
> Did you recommend Connie Willis before? I was trying to remember why
> I read them, and have absolutely no idea. Possibly that most evil of
> evil Amazonian inventions (customers who bought this also bought...)
> is to blame. But if it was you, thanks, I enjoyed them.
>

Erm ... don't think I did.  IIRC the penguini was looking for some  
modern hard SF -  which CW ain't; she's more into gentler speculative  
stuff.

No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF  
has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed.  
Dismissive references to talking squid and rocket-ships merely  
highlights her personal (and oh, so limiting) snobbery. Mind you,  
she's got a hell of a cheek, 'cos  she's a repeat offender. Oryx and  
Crake (very mundane, out-dated and unoriginal by SF standards) was  
preceded by The Handmaiden's Tale - a theme well within the ambit of  
the SF dystopian society sub-set.

It's becoming more difficult to draw hard-and-fast dividing lines on  
what is/isn't a particular genre. Exotic backgrounds sometimes seem  
to be invented just to excuse an exploration of ideas or attitudes -  
like Ursula Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness - attitudes towards  
sexuality as experienced by a visitor to a society where all the  
inhabitants are of the same sex, or Maria Doria Russell's The  
Sparrow; some find that one very disturbing and thought-provoking  
indeed. A quality rarely found in so-called 'mainstream' literature  
these days.

> Dot:
> Yes, I picked up The Bernini Bust in an airport after I'd read
> Fingerpost, and was rather disappointed. Won't bother with any
> others, I don't think.
>

Yes.
Sub-Lovejoy. Without the handy tips on antiques. And without the laughs.


>
> Dot:
> Sounds interesting, I think I'll try that too. I must also
> recommend 'The Sterkarm Handshake' by Susan Price. Time-
> travel/historical with elements of fantasy, set in the 16th Century
> Scottish borders. The main character, Andrea, (from the 21st
> century) is a bit wet, but the 16th Century natives more than make
> up for her lack of bloodthirstiness.  Tons of blood and guts, and
> horses, and sheep-thieving and fleas and lice and murder and
> revenge ... and it's very cleverly written. Sequel's not really
> worth bothering with unless you like more of the same, as it doesn't
> really go anywhere new.
>

OK. It'll go on the list for the next time I order a load of books.  
(Getting more frequent; I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a month from  
Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is too damned  
expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come across in  
charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty bookshop in  
Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of bookcase space long  
since; now I'm running out of floor-space as well. I blame it on the  
TV companies for pushing out an incessant load of tripe.)




From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  5 16:03:40 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:03:40 -0000
Subject: Still  locked out
Message-ID: <dfhq8s+v9ot@eGroups.com>

That's why I'm not doing anything.  I've just emailed Paul a second
time; hopefully he'll get to me soon.

It's probably because we upgraded to an even faster DSL service. Come
to think of it, our ISP # might change yet again -- my husband wants
to get fiber optic service installed.  Men and their toys...

Anne







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Sep  5 19:31:00 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:31:00 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> 
> Erm ... don't think I did.  IIRC the penguini was looking for some  
> modern hard SF -  which CW ain't; she's more into gentler 
speculative stuff.
> 
> No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF  
> has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed.  

Um..I think that's the problem. There are some sorts of SF that I 
don't have time for, I agree, the sort that are essentially car 
chases in space with improbable monsters, sonic screwdrivers and 
wearisome missions to save the universe. Oh, and women wearing little 
else but their space helmets..

But something that plays with history in an interesting way, if you'd 
count that as one of the new sub-genres, that can be interesting. I 
just finished Ian MacLeod's the Light Ages, for instance, which you 
recommended, and was intrigued. The Dickens/Gormenghast style was 
fascinating - although the industrial revolution plotline somewhat 
predictable and hence I thought it limped a bit at the end. But the 
trolls/people who'd had too much aether were very good and believable.

BTW, if anyone wants extremely fast-paced SF techie meets pixies and 
goblins amusement, try the Artemis Fowl series. Bit like a compulsive 
bag of crisps when you are hungry.


> I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a month from  
> Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is too 
damned  
> expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come across in  
> charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty bookshop in  
> Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of bookcase space 
long  
> since; now I'm running out of floor-space as well. I blame it on 
the  
> TV companies for pushing out an incessant load of tripe.)

I have a (Amazon.com) bookmark with an alleged quote from Erasmus -
 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy 
food and clothes.'

I just picked over my shelves and here's some stuff I've read in the 
last year that I enjoyed:

-Silk (Alessandro Baricco). A scant 100-page tale of sensuous 
imagination about someone voyaging to China in the 1860s to try and 
save the French silk trade. The end, an unexpected love letter, is 
like a very sharp knife drawn across the skin. Suddenly you feel the 
pain and see the blood start to seep.

A.N Wilson's biography of Iris Murdoch. Only for IM fans, obviously, 
but it explains a good deal.

Claire Tomalin's biography of Katherine Mansfield. I've always been 
intrigued that there is a Mansfield on JKR's bookshelf on her site. 
What that tells us about Potter boggles the imagination. Maybe the 
slash fics are spot on after all.

Ella minnow pea by Mark Dunn. Has not interested his Kneasiness, but 
I maintain it's a very brilliant story. An island community slowly 
give up letters of the alphabet for various sub-Orwellian reasons, 
and their struggle to communicate with each other becomes haiku-like 
in intensity.

Biography of Fanny Trollope by Pamela Neville-Sington. She's the 
mother of Anthony Trollope and one hell of a lot more interesting. 
Whilst her tiresome husband slowly killed himself by taking arsenic, 
she travelled half round the world, setting up theatres in America, 
literary salons in Italy and, in passing gave Anthony all his 
plotlines. Completely revises what you think of the Jane Austen 
period and what women were allowed/or chose to do.

Carolyn
Currently reading a Rose Tremain.






From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Tue Sep  6 13:28:24 2005
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:24 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com>
References: <dfi6dk+c07v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6394B7FC-E56B-4F5B-91C1-7BE16CAE3D6B@btconnect.com>


On 5 Sep 2005, at 20:31, carolynwhite2 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> >
> > Erm ... don't think I did.  IIRC the penguini was looking for some
> > modern hard SF -  which CW ain't; she's more into gentler
> speculative stuff.
> >
> > No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF
> > has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed.
>
> Um..I think that's the problem. There are some sorts of SF that I
> don't have time for, I agree, the sort that are essentially car
> chases in space with improbable monsters, sonic screwdrivers and
> wearisome missions to save the universe. Oh, and women wearing little
> else but their space helmets..
>

Yes; there are some SF writers that I have no time for either.
The problem for those not familiar with the genre or the writers is  
that it's rare for an SF book to be reviewed in the mainstream press  
- and even then it's even rarer for the book to be referred to as SF.  
It's 'a futuristic novel' or 'an alternative take on history'. It  
seems that in the view of those who consider themselves as literary  
arbiters, admitting that you enjoy SF is akin to - well, there's a  
tale ....

A researcher compiling information on nicknames visits a remote  
Scottish village and starts interviewing the locals. Eventually he  
gets talking to a famous local character.
"And how did you get your nickname?"
"It's most  unfair - I voluntarily helped build half the houses in  
the village, I'm the most successful commercial fisherman for miles  
around, I lead the local Mountain Rescue team, train our championship- 
winning amateur football team, donate half my money to local  
charities - but I shag just one sheep..."

Why do you think that Attwood scrambled so desperately, trying to  
convince everybody that Oryx and Crake wasn't SF when it so obviously  
was? Is there something wrong with a literary lineage that goes back  
to the ancient Greeks (Plato's 'Republic') the satires of Lucian,  
More's 'Utopia', and includes Swift, Verne, Wells, Huxley and Orwell?  
Apparently there is. In the self-referential circles in which these  
people exist, it's the loony aunt, the embarrassing relative that no- 
one talks about.

Sure, there're anoraks; Trekkies, Mully and Scalder fanatics and the  
like. But generally these oddities don't come from readers -  they  
come from viewers, TV or film. And I haven't seen a book cover with a  
shapely bird in goldfish-bowl and brass brassiere in years - wish I  
had, that 50's pulp stuff is highly collectible these days.  
Ironically, it's probably images of these increasingly valuable  
covers that flashes across the frontal lobes of the broadsheet book  
critics whenever SF is mentioned. Ah, if only they knew!

The 'car chases in space' that you mention is now split into two sub- 
genres, one generally referred to as space opera, and the other as  
rubbish. Space opera (the name is a twist on 'soap opera') is  
generally not written as deeply meaningful insights into our place in  
the universe or etc., it's intended as entertainment pure and simple  
- though some of it isn't all that simple and writers are expected to  
show an understanding of physics, its inferences and its wider  
applications in the universe. So stuff like instantaneous travel or  
communication are a no-no, and if included are liable to be severely  
mauled by the fan-base and by other writers, eventually leading to a  
down-grading to that second  category. But if accepted for what it is  
intended to be, it can be fun.

One of the most successful practitioners is David Weber with his  
Honor Harrington series - which he is happy to admit is a homage to  
the Horatio  Hornblower books (though Honor has strong hints of  
Nelson - she loses an eye and an arm in the course of the series).  
He's also very good as a writer at expressing outrage at  
discrimination - particularly sexual and by fundamental religionists.  
A few groan-making puns, too - the main baddies are led by political  
leaders named Rob S. Pierre and St Just - so you've no excuse for not  
knowing where he's coming from.

But look at the SF specialty best-seller lists and books like these  
rarely figure;  nor  do they win the awards at conventions. Those are  
the domain of much more demanding stuff which is almost never  
reviewed elsewhere  and so potential readers never get to hear of it.  
And they never will be reviewed unless critics broaden their minds  
and their reading matter. It's a shame, really. IMO SF has niches and  
sub-sets that can offer something for everyone, but only if it's  
brought to their attention.

> But something that plays with history in an interesting way, if you'd
> count that as one of the new sub-genres, that can be interesting. I
> just finished Ian MacLeod's the Light Ages, for instance, which you
> recommended, and was intrigued. The Dickens/Gormenghast style was
> fascinating - although the industrial revolution plotline somewhat
> predictable and hence I thought it limped a bit at the end. But the
> trolls/people who'd had too much aether were very good and believable.
>

Try 'Pavane' by Keith Roberts. A true classic. And his 'Anita'  
stories, collected in a book of the same name, have a very different  
view of modern witches than that of JKR.

> BTW, if anyone wants extremely fast-paced SF techie meets pixies and
> goblins amusement, try the Artemis Fowl series. Bit like a compulsive
> bag of crisps when you are hungry.
>
>

Mm. Didn't go a bundle on those - mostly I didn't like Colfer's  
style. Personal
tastes intruding again.

>
> I have a (Amazon.com) bookmark with an alleged quote from Erasmus -
> 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy
> food and clothes.'
>

Clothes? Haven't bought any new clothes since ... I forget. Certainly  
not this year; probably not last year either.  Food - and especially  
wine, (not forgetting gin, armangnac and a few other tasty drops)  
that's different. Where Shylock was split between his daughter and  
his ducats, with me it's books and bordeaux. Or Aussie Shiraz, or  
Rhinegau Auslese, old-fashioned Chablis or... never mind, you get the  
picture. The books mostly stay on the shelves, but strangely the  
contents of the wine-racks in the cellar tele-port to the dining- 
table with metronomic regularity. Odd that. Probably obeying some law  
of fluidics that I'm not familiar with.
Still, being a bibulous bibliophile ain't a bad way of passing the  
time, even when bearing a strong resemblance to a perambulating  
bundle of cast-offs long over-due for charity shop recycling.





From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Sep  8 07:16:02 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:16:02 -0000
Subject: From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news
Message-ID: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com>

Kelly emailed me this this morning. I thought she lived over towards 
Miami, but do any of you know anything more specific about what has 
happened in Long Beach that I can forward to her?

Carolyn


Kelly:
So, did I say big whopping hurricane?  What I meant was huge, 
massive, wipe-my-poor-little-apartment-and-everything-around-it-off-
the-map hurricane.  Damn!  I live (or rather, lived) right where the 
eye of the hurricane passed.  It simply demolished my town and the 
surrounding ones.  I haven't gotten absolute confirmation yet, due to 
the shaky communication with the area, but I'm pretty sure my 
apartment is gone.  The news coverage is concentrating on New Orleans 
and Biloxi, and hasn't been able to reach the areas in between (where 
Long Beach, my town, is located) yet.  The only comment I heard was 
that 90% of the buildings between the railroad tracks and the beach 
(yup, me) were destroyed.  Plus my parents found some satellite 
photos on the NOAA website, and they think they managed to find my 
apartment complex.  They saw a few roofs toward the back of the 
complex, but it looked like there was nothing under them.  At the 
front, where mine was located, the buildings were simply gone.  
Insurance is my new best friend.  I consider myself very lucky to be 
out here right now, where I have food, water, air-conditioning, and 
soon-to-be-needed income.  
 
On a different note, I still have pointless hobbies, right?  So, 
without further ado, I give you the review of 1.2.13.1 
Etymology/origin of names.  I'm attaching a .csv file; you should be 
able to import it into Excel or some other datasheet program.  It has 
the same format as the previous reviews I sent you, but I'm trying to 
conserve space, since I don't want to slow up this email line.  Same 
as before: 0 = keep, r = reject from this category, m = move to a new 
category.  Also, for this one, I marked several posts as nn 
(nickname), for the proposed new subcategory I mention below.  If you 
approve, add a new category and move these there; otherwise, leave 
them in 1.2.13.1.  
 
1.2.13.1 Etymology/origin of names
----------------------------------
Originally: 591
Now: 457 (plus 29 name-variation)
 
... i.e. etymology, psuedo-etymology, ignorant-lumping-together-of-
roots-from-different-languages-and-time-periods, historical 
references, literary references, and other obscure references that 
JKR may or may not have used to create her names, spells,  and other 
terms, and how said origins may reveal the entire future plot of the 
series.  There are a few very good, thorough derivations in here, but 
most of the posts of short and many are of dubious scholarship.  For 
time purposes, I didn't sort by quality; there are plenty of websites 
available if people want a good analysis of Potter terms and names.
  
I think this category could use an additional subcategory for 
variations-on-a-name debates (e.g. whether the names used for certain 
characters are in reality nicknames, middle names, etc.).  These 
don't discuss etymology, origin, or meaning of the names (the very 
few that do would go in both categories), but don't really belong 
anywhere else that I can see.
 
I limited this category to external etymology only.  For example, 
discussion of who named the Death Eaters (Voldy, the group, or 
outsiders), the amazing coincidence of a child named Remus Lupin 
becoming a werewolf (Ginger, did you know Lupin means wolf?), or why 
parents of the current wizarding generation tend to use more Muggle-
like names than previous generations do not belong here.  Discussions 
of why JKR chose those names, though, does.  
 
I also kept a handful of posts discussing whether hidden and not-so-
hidden meanings of names were maintained in translation.  However, 
keep other discussion of translations out.
 
Keep witch/wizard/warlock terminology discussions in 3.2.5 Medals, 
awards, & titles.  This is where most of the posts on that topic 
already reside; there were only a handful here, which I moved there.
 
There is still some repetition in this category; because everything 
was so scattered and most of the posts were only one or two lines, it 
was difficult to catch.
 
-Kelly





From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  8 09:43:31 2005
From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:43:31 -0000
Subject: Catching up..
In-Reply-To: <E4153989-7642-4DA6-AFC9-3C9912981864@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <dfp143+n2v3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
<arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> No matter what folk like Attwood say, over the past 20-30 years SF 
has mutated into a legion of sub-classes, some very subtle indeed.  
> Dismissive references to talking squid and rocket-ships merely  
> highlights her personal (and oh, so limiting) snobbery. Mind you,  
> she's got a hell of a cheek, 'cos  she's a repeat offender. Oryx 
and Crake (very mundane, out-dated and unoriginal by SF standards) 
was preceded by The Handmaiden's Tale - a theme well within the 
ambit of the SF dystopian society sub-set.
 
Dot:
Yeah... but they *are* bloody well-written. I loved Oryx and Crake. 
I think the difficulty with SF for many people is that it's so rare 
to get brilliant ideas in a brilliantly-written book. Far too often 
one ends up having to choose between the ideas and the writing, 
which is why I tend to avoid SF unless someone recommends a book 
specifically. I'll never forget the experience of reading The 
Hadmaid's Tale, after the first few chapters thinking: "Oh, surely 
not..." and a few chapters later "Has this not been done to death?" 
and yet being quite unable to stop myself reading, enjoying every 
second and being a complete convert by the time I turned the last 
page. I'll forgive her second-hand ideas for the sheer pleasure of 
reading. 

Barry:
> It's becoming more difficult to draw hard-and-fast dividing lines 
on what is/isn't a particular genre. Exotic backgrounds sometimes 
seem to be invented just to excuse an exploration of ideas or 
attitudes - like Ursula Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness - 
attitudes towards sexuality as experienced by a visitor to a society 
where all the inhabitants are of the same sex, or Maria Doria 
Russell's The Sparrow; some find that one very disturbing and 
thought-provoking indeed. A quality rarely found in so-
called 'mainstream' literature these days.
> 

Dot:
Ah, I knew I'd read something you'd recommended. The Sparrow, yes. 
Nice ideas, and an interesting read for an atheist. Didn't go a 
bundle on the prose, and it was too long, but I read it, and enjoyed 
it enough to recommend it to someone else.  Isn't there a sequel? Is 
it more of the same?

Barry
> OK. It'll go on the list for the next time I order a load of 
books. (Getting more frequent; I'm averaging 12 - 15 new books a 
month from Amazon [non-fiction - generally about half the order - is 
too damned expensive anywhere else] plus whatever I happen to come 
across in charity shops, plus regular raids on an SF specialty 
bookshop in Brum, plus weekly library visits. I've run out of 
bookcase space long since; now I'm running out of floor-space as 
well. I blame it on the TV companies for pushing out an incessant 
load of tripe.)

Dot:
You lucky... Oh why won't somebody pay me to read books all day 
every day?  Put 'The Origins of Virtue' (Matt Ridley) on your non-
fiction list then, it's a beautifully constructed argument that 
altruism is a part of human nature.  Everyone should read it.

Thanking Carolyn for the other recommendations - always good to have 
a list to get through...

Dot
(The viva, in case anyone cares, was fine. Rather anticlimactic, in 
the event, considering the blood-chilling terror beforehand. Now 
recovered from over-celebrating, and getting back to work.)






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Sep  8 14:20:10 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:20:10 -0000
Subject: Back to work
Message-ID: <dfphaq+es2e@eGroups.com>

Potioncat enters the office and goes straight to the coffee corner. She 
sets up a very large pot of strong, aromatic coffee, a pot of water, 
and tray of teas, (nothing weak or decaf). She brings out a basket of 
autumn breads and an assortment of other goodies, including this new 
delight, cockroach clusters:
http://www.candywarehouse.com/cockroaches.html
Be sure and save one of those for Dot.

Looks like lots of the crew have been reading. I'll have to set the 
list aside for future. I'm reading the Narnia series. No, I don't 
recommend it, but I'm held hostage by an 11 year old. He played the 
wicked queen's evil minion in a play and now we have to read the books. 
They are amusing for their parallel to HP. (A boy named Digory [CSL's 
spelling] is tricked into grasping a ring and is whisked away to 
another place and sees a green light.) So far I've found Bella, 
Hermione, Stan and Dumbledore. 

I did read part of "Coffee, A Dark History". Did you know the Boston 
Tea Party was organized at a coffe house? Think about it. Life, Liberty 
and the Pursuit of Happiness may have come about because it was to some 
merchant's advantage to encourage a boycott on tea. 

What a holiday it's been! I'd just finished cataloguing the Weasley 
clock and didn't it come up right away in HBP! From the looks of the 
current site, we're going to need a bigger section for Snape topics.  
Droobles Best Blowing Gum isn't go to be so much fun to review now, but 
chess and gobstones might take a new slant. 

I have 3.11--3.14 (I think) I've put my name by the sections I'm 
actually working on. Should anyone who moves a bit quicker want to take 
one of the other headings, feel free to put your name down. If not, I'm 
working my way to them.

The large clock on the wall began to ring, chime, alarm and actually 
vibrate. The hands were pointing to "Time for work!" 

Potioncat: who is very glad Kelly was safe and very sorry to hear about 
her home. 

 










From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  8 16:23:38 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:23:38 -0000
Subject: From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news
In-Reply-To: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dfpoia+hnqg@eGroups.com>

> Kelly:
> So, did I say big whopping hurricane?  What I meant was huge, 
> massive, wipe-my-poor-little-apartment-and-everything-around-it-off-
> the-map hurricane.  Damn!  I live (or rather, lived) right where the 
> eye of the hurricane passed.  It simply demolished my town and the 
> surrounding ones.  I haven't gotten absolute confirmation yet, due 
to 
> the shaky communication with the area, but I'm pretty sure my 
> apartment is gone.  The news coverage is concentrating on New 
Orleans 
> and Biloxi, and hasn't been able to reach the areas in between 
(where 
> Long Beach, my town, is located) yet.  

Jen: Kelly, I'm feeling for you! We haven't heard anything on the news 
about Long Beach, but looking at a map....well, it doesn't look so 
good there, right next to Gulfport which was reported almost destroyed 
from what one news story said. I'm so sorry! Glad to know you are safe 
and have all the necessities.

Jen, watching too much coverage and wondering if she could deal even 
half as well as Kelly is. 






From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  8 20:22:05 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:22:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] From Kelly - re 1.2.13.1/but also disaster news
In-Reply-To: <dfoofi+ttha@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050908202205.34113.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
Kelly emailed me this this morning. I thought she lived over towards 
Miami, but do any of you know anything more specific about what has 
happened in Long Beach that I can forward to her?


Ginger:  

I'm afraid I have nothing to forward, but I did see an article.  Had I known Kelly was from there, I'd have saved it, but I only noticed Long Beach as I have cousins in Long Beach, Calif, so it caught my eye.  I do remember that it didn't look good at all.

Kelly, I'm glad you weren't there, and that you're ok, but I'm also sorry to hear about your losses.  Take care of yourself.

Ginger, amazed that Kelly has kept her sense of humour and astounded by her discovery that Lupin means wolf.


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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Sep 10 09:29:45 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:29:45 -0000
Subject: Catalogue down briefly
Message-ID: <dfu929+2rg7@eGroups.com>

Just to let you all know that Paul is finally moving his computer, 
which hosts our catalogue, into his new house this weekend, so access 
will be down for a day or two until he gets it set up again. It's been 
set up at his parents up until now.

Anne - I also reminded him about your connection problems. Hopefully we 
can start to get things moving again next week.

Carolyn
incoherently thrilled to get her broadband back this morning - after 4 
weeks of problems






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep 11 09:53:01 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:53:01 -0000
Subject: Late response to Debbie/listen up Doug!
In-Reply-To: <db62u6+8g17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dg0upt+38tf@eGroups.com>

Debbie has reminded me that I didn't action the following back in 
July, so here's what I've done.


> > Carolyn then:
> > So, what this boils down to is splitting 1.1.5 between either 
> 1.1.7.1 (Child abuse/mistreatment) - that's for the bullying stuff, 
or 3.2.6 (Racism & bigotry) - for the discrimination stuff?

Debbie then:
> Yes, except that I'd put the bullying stuff in a separate 
subcategory (primarily because I've already reviewed those posts, but 
have been avoiding Child abuse like the plague).  When the forest has 
been properly thinned we can decide whether to merge them.  
<snip>
>This leaves 77 bullying posts.  As I mentioned above, I 
> recommend that they be moved into their own subset under Parenting 
> and Child Development, rather than being merged into Child 
> abuse/Mistreatment for now.


Carolyn now:
Temporary category created called -

1.1.7.3 Bullying

Hope that was what you intended. I have left 1.1.5 until you have 
finished with it - tell me when you are done and I will remove it.

 

Carolyn then:
>However... should we now move 3.2.6 up into metathemes, because it 
is such a major theme?
> > DOUG - Oy! I know you are working on sections 3.1. - 3.2.6, have 
> you got this far yet, what do you think?

Debbie then: 
> I agree with moving 3.2.6 Class System, Racism and Bigotry to 
> Metathemes.  It could be plonked right into the gap left by the 
> elimination of Equality and Fairness.  However, I'd tweak the title 
> slightly to say Class System, Bigotry and Prejudice.  
> 
> As it's the last subcategory under 3.2, and it contains 406 posts 
> (including 9 posts I moved here from 1.1.5. and 1.1.5.1.), I'd be 
> willing to bet that he hasn't gotten to it yet.
> 
> When I return, I'll do either 1.1.7 (Parenting & child development) 
> or the renumbered Class System etc. (assuming Doug has not done 
it). Your choice, captain!

Carolyn now:
I never heard back from Doug, so I think we can assume he hasn't got 
there yet <g>. Therefore, arbitrary decision taken to move
3.2.6 up to metathemes. It will be re-numbered 1.1.10 temporarily 
until you have actually finished moving stuff out of Equality & 
Fairness, then, when I delete that section, I could move it up in the 
list.

For your sanity's sake, why not do class systems next?!

Carolyn
Apologising for long delay, but beginning to gear up again.






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep 11 09:59:40 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:59:40 -0000
Subject: Foe Glass/Snape
In-Reply-To: <dfbo5p+mbuq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dg0v6c+8dbq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" 
<quigonginger at y...> wrote:
> Hidey-ho folks!
> 
> Just popping in with a comment mostly directed at Talisman.  I am 
> reviewing Magical Items, and found 4 posts about the Foe Glass 
under the main heading.  I moved them to Dark Detectors, which is 
Talisman's field, and marked them with review coding and a note in 
the bottom box 
> that I had moved them.
> 
> I just thought they belonged there and wanted to give a heads-up in 
> case Talisman was working on that category at this time, or had 
> finished it and wanted to go back and check that they weren't "adds 
> nothing new" posts in that category.
> 

Carolyn:
That will be fine with Talisman I think. Also, she's waving a white 
flag about the Snape section (time committments), so if anyone would 
be interested in taking over this massive assignment, it's there to 
be done.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 11 14:32:03 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:32:03 -0000
Subject: That numbering snafu Ginger found
Message-ID: <dg1f53+2iic@eGroups.com>

Carolyn - remember when Ginger did her big housecleaning, she found
some categories with overlapping numbers:

2.5.1.5 - Harry's Training, Protection, Powers
2.5.1.5.1 - Harry's Eyes
{there follow more cats up to 2.5.1.5.6 here}

and:
2.5.1.5 - Harry's parentage/ancestry
2.5.1.5.1 - HIS SWORD

I checked the actual posts in these categories and they are all where
they belong.  That is, there are no HIS SWORD posts in with the
Harry's eyes posts, etc.  So all that needs to be done is to renumber
the categories.

The simplest way will be fine: just make it:
2.5.1.7 - Harry's parentage/ancestry
2.5.1.7.1 - HIS SWORD

Anne






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Sep 12 16:17:57 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:17:57 -0000
Subject: PS for Debbie, Anne..
Message-ID: <dg49nl+2dbt@eGroups.com>

Carolyn previously:
I never heard back from Doug, so I think we can assume he hasn't got 
there yet <g>. Therefore, arbitrary decision taken to move
3.2.6 up to metathemes. It will be re-numbered 1.1.10 temporarily
until you have actually finished moving stuff out of Equality &
Fairness, then, when I delete that section, I could move it up in the 
list.

Carolyn now:
Debbie, I read your note slightly more carefully and checked what was 
currently in those sections, and as a result:

-moved the old section 1.1.5.1 Inequality, bullying and 
discrimination in its entireity to be new subsection 1.1.7.3 (77 
posts)and shortened its title to 'Bullying'

-renumbered old section 3.2.6 to be new 1.1.5 Class system, bigotry 
and prejudice (still to be sorted out)

- but left old section 1.1.5 (equality & fairness) as a subset of new 
1.1.5 (and temporarily numbered it 1.1.5.1) because it still had 85 
posts in it. According to your note, they are all due to be moved 
elsewhere, and then I can delete this for good.

Hope this is now what you wanted.

Anne:
The simplest way will be fine: just make it:
2.5.1.7 - Harry's parentage/ancestry
2.5.1.7.1 - HIS SWORD

Carolyn:
I did this for you.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 12 18:10:49 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:10:49 -0000
Subject: Toys and Games
Message-ID: <dg4gb9+r7qi@eGroups.com>

3.14 Toys and Games has no posts. I guess that's how it's supposed to 
be, but we should re-think this

3.14.1 Wizard Chess had 49, will take down to 39. Some of these are 
stictly wizard chess: rules, expamples etc. Some have to do 
specifically with the game played to get to the stone. Some of those 
are still rules, but some are metaphors for the HP series or used as a 
clue for how the series will turn out. It's the Ron sacrificed himself 
as a knight therefore.... or Hermione was a castle and that means....

I thought I'd coded a lot of posts here that were metaphor, but I 
don't see so many. It's about 10 posts. Maybe I'm recalling posts I 
read on the main list that hadn't been coded yet. 

3.14.2 Fireworks has 1 will drop to 0. (Fireworks aren't mentioned at 
all!) Was this heading created for the Weasley fireworks in OoP?

My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to 
keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for straight 
forward posts about chess games? 

Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 5, 
but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are in 
3.14.1.

Kathy



Kathy






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Sep 15 19:37:00 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:37:00 -0000
Subject: Catching up../Bellwether
In-Reply-To: <dffggn+47t1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgcigs+lfor@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" 
<spotthedungbeetle at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, Barry Arrowsmith 
> <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote:
> > 
> > Connie Willis - v.g.
> > 
> > 'Doomsday Book' - probably her best known (won both Hugo and 
> Nebula Awards - not that that'll mean much to non-SF fans.) Time-
> travel but several cuts above the average. Things go wrong, both 
now and then.  Set in Oxford Uni and historians don't come out of it 
> well.
> > 
> > 'Bellwether' is sort of a satire - and everybody has endured 
> somebody like Flip at some time or another. Mostly plot revolves 
> around academics scrabbling for grant money. Very enjoyable.
> > 
> > Personally, I'd rate both of these above 'To say nothing of the 
> Dog', but what do I know?
>  
> Dot:
> Oh yes, I forgot about Bellwether, I enjoyed that one too. Will 
> try 'Doomsday Book'. 
> 

Carolyn:
I just finished Bellwether (Dot, thanks for the loan). Enjoyed it 
immensely; thanks to both for the recommendation. 

Have just endured a totally surreal week of management-speak, but 
have memorised:

1. Optimise potential
2. Facilitate empowerment
3. Implement visioning
4. Strategise priorities
5. Augment core structures

as I feel sure it will help. As to Flip, I used to have a research 
editor who came in wearing what appeared to be evening gowns...

Will now search out the others. But would not have called this one 
sci-fi at all, except in the most literal sense, ie that it is about 
scientists and science.

Carolyn






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Thu Sep 15 19:43:11 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:43:11 -0000
Subject: Toys and Games
In-Reply-To: <dg4gb9+r7qi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgcisf+hogb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> 
> My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to 
> keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for 
straight forward posts about chess games? 
> 
> Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 
5, but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are 
in 3.14.1.
> 

Carolyn:
My vote is yes, all chess-related topics should go here, including 
chess-as-metaphor, because that's what we did with Quidditch, but we 
did create 3.6.4 General quidditch theories for this purpose. Maybe 
we should do the same for chess?

You shouldn't be able to move things into 3.14, as it is a second-
level head, and as such I don't think it has a tick box.

We could amend 3.14.2 to read 'Other games and fireworks', to 
accommodate non-chess posts.

Would that do?





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Sep 15 20:56:59 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:56:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Toys and Games
References: <dgcisf+hogb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV210C9594477EB21E7193D2AD9E0@phx.gbl>

Well, given that all together there are only 39 posts, should we make it 3.14.1 Wizard chess and other games? Later if we get something on fireworks or something else, we could have a 3.14.2 Toys.

How does that sound?

Kathy
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: carolynwhite2<mailto:carolynwhite2 at aol.com> 
  To: HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:43 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Toys and Games


  --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com<mailto:HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com>, "potioncat" 
  <willsonkmom at m<mailto:willsonkmom at m>...> wrote:
  > 
  > My question, and you all knew I had one, is: do you want 3.14.1 to 
  > keep all chess related topics? OR is this category simply for 
  straight forward posts about chess games? 
  > 
  > Can we move posts about games in general to 3.14? There are around 
  5, but I think it will go up when we get to HBP. Right now they are 
  in 3.14.1.
  > 

  Carolyn:
  My vote is yes, all chess-related topics should go here, including 
  chess-as-metaphor, because that's what we did with Quidditch, but we 
  did create 3.6.4 General quidditch theories for this purpose. Maybe 
  we should do the same for chess?

  You shouldn't be able to move things into 3.14, as it is a second-
  level head, and as such I don't think it has a tick box.

  We could amend 3.14.2 to read 'Other games and fireworks', to 
  accommodate non-chess posts.

  Would that do?




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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Sep 16 07:04:49 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:04:49 -0000
Subject: Toys and Games
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV210C9594477EB21E7193D2AD9E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <dgdqqh+3qhk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Kathy Willson" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> Well, given that all together there are only 39 posts, should we make 
it 3.14.1 Wizard chess and other games? Later if we get something on 
fireworks or something else, we could have a 3.14.2 Toys.
> 
> How does that sound?
> 
> Kathy

Carolyn:
I'd kind of like to keep the chess in one place, so I expanded the 
category definition to read 'Wizard chess & chess theories'.

I've created a third non-fireworks category called 'Other games' for 
those 5 posts which are not about chess.

Let's see how that works.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Fri Sep 16 17:24:08 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:24:08 -0000
Subject: Toys and Games
In-Reply-To: <dgdqqh+3qhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgev3o+icrh@eGroups.com>

 
> Carolyn:
> I'd kind of like to keep the chess in one place, so I expanded the 
> category definition to read 'Wizard chess & chess theories'.
> 
> I've created a third non-fireworks category called 'Other games' for 
> those 5 posts which are not about chess.
> 
> Let's see how that works.

Kathy W:
That sounds good. 
I'll make those changes to the coding then carry on. The rest of the 
numbers are pretty low; so I hope to be done with my section soon.





From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 16 21:00:13 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:00:13 -0000
Subject: Magical Items
Message-ID: <dgfbot+cnko@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!

Magical items is done.  It is now 418 posts.  Nothing exciting to 
report.  Most of the uncoding was due to the thread going off the 
starting topic.  For example, the diary: starts out asking if LM knew 
how it worked and asking if we knew how it worked, then why he gave it 
to Ginny (on topic so far), but then goes into LM's relationship with 
AW and Muggle relations.  At that point I started uncoding.  I did 
find a lot of that sort of thing all around.  

So now I'm signed up to do 3.4-3.7.8.1 (Health thru Quidditch).  It's 
a long one, so it'll take a while.  Leave donuts on my desk every 
fortnight until I'm done.

Ginger, wondering if, when I take over the world, I should insist on 
being called an evil overperson to be PC.






From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 16 21:34:52 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Magical Items
In-Reply-To: <dgfbot+cnko@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050916213452.83887.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I wrote:

So now I'm signed up to do 3.4-3.7.8.1 (Health thru Quidditch).  

 

It should have been Health thru Culture.

 

Ginger, practicing the evil overthingie laugh.


		
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From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Sep 17 22:30:54 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 22:30:54 -0000
Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment
Message-ID: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com>

Hello again.  Finished another categoy (actually, four categories)... 
comments below.  I've attached .csv files for all except the GRIMS 
category, since it only contained one post, and I've commented below 
on my confusion with that one post.  In addition to my normal 
markers, I marked a few of the posts with "sh", for Stoned!Harry.  
I'd like some group input on what to do with those posts (see below).
 
On the hurricane front, I've finally gotten some news.  My cat was 
evacuated safe and sound, and is now on her way to my sister's, so 
that was very good news.  My apartment, well, not so much.  I've 
attached a picture, just for shock value [Note from CW: posted in 
file section].  I knew from the reports I had been getting that my 
apartment was doomed, but even so, my jaw hit the ground when my dad 
sent me that picture.  Never underestimate the power of lots o' 
water.  Luckily, it looks like my insurance should cover most of what 
I lost.
 
Okay, on to the review...
 
********************************************************Review
 
This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories.  I'm 
undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts.  Since this theory is 
so symbolism-based, most posts carry multiple symbolism 
subcategories: colours, green, red, wood, metal, and alchemy & 
Rosicrucianism.  I was thinking it might be easier to simply remove 
all the symbolism codes, since the Stoned!Harry code itself implies 
the link.  For now, I've left them as they are, pending a group 
decision.  Any thoughts?
 
Moving on to the Colors (pardon, Colours) category.  I don't know if 
this problem only exists in my version of the catelogue, but I have 
two 1.2.13.2.1's: Green and GRIMS.  They seem to peacefully coexist, 
but perhaps it should be fixed?
 

1.2.13.2 Colours
--------------------
Originally: 36
Now: 27
 
Discussion of colors and color symbolism, not specifically focused on 
red and/or green.  If red and/or green is the main topic of the post 
(even if other colors, usually gold and silver, are also mentioned), 
keep the post in the subcategories.  However, if red/green are 
mentioned in equal weight to other colors (i.e. discussion of all 
house colors), use only the main category.
 

1.2.13.2.1 (a) Green 
--------------------
Originally: 70
Now: 62
 
Discussion and lists of all things green.  
 
Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green 
eyes.  Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few 
of the posts I came across carried this category.  I decided to keep 
those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code.  Some 
carried the main 2.5.1 Harry Potter code, but those may have been 
moved to 2.5.1.0 in the Harry review, which isn't reflected in my 
version of the catalogue; I didn't touch these, just noted that the 
eyes category should be added.  
 
About 20 of the posts here were part of the "All things green" St. 
Patrick's Day contest to list five quotes from the series referencing 
the color green.  No discussion, but a handy list.
 
1.2.13.2.1 (b) GRIMS
--------------------
Originally: 1
Now: 0?
 
What does this acronym stand for?  The one post here was about 
Harry/Voldemort yin-yang symbolism, and included some red-green 
discussion, but never mentioned the acronym.  Perhaps it was coined 
later?  Or was mistakenly placed here due to the double use of the 
category number?
 
1.2.13.2.2 Red
--------------------
Originally: 40
Now: 35
 
Discussion and lists of all things red, especially Gryffindor, 
Voldy's eyes, and hair.  Much discussion in conjunction with green; 
these posts are dual coded to the two color subcategories (but not to 
the main Colours heading).  
 
-Kelly





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 18 01:49:19 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:49:19 -0000
Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment
In-Reply-To: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgih2v+krd@eGroups.com>

Kelly:
> On the hurricane front, I've finally gotten some news.  My cat was 
> evacuated safe and sound, and is now on her way to my sister's, so 
> that was very good news.  My apartment, well, not so much.  I've 
> attached a picture, just for shock value [Note from CW: posted in 
> file section].  I knew from the reports I had been getting that my 
> apartment was doomed, but even so, my jaw hit the ground when my dad 
> sent me that picture.  Never underestimate the power of lots o' 
> water.  Luckily, it looks like my insurance should cover most of 
what 
> I lost.

Jen: Omigosh, Kelly, that picture was something else! Your jaw dropped 
at the picture, and mine dropped at the picture plus the fact that 
you're actually *reviewing categories* at the moment. You're made of 
strong stuff. Granted, I'm a big weenie, but I'd be completely 
freaking out. Good luck getting everything covered by the insurance.

(Btw, pic is located in the photo section)

Well, I feel like a schmuck now. I've yet to get back to reviewing 
(save your cane there, Miss Havisham, I'm still working through the 
intricacies of HBP <g>). And also, a hard question Carolyn---do things 
look good for getting that interface or whatever it is to launch? 
Cause I need some motivation at the moment, and thinking this database 
won't happen doesn't do much to stoke the fires. 

Jen, wondering if Kelly even gets our messages at sea.





From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 18 06:07:51 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:07:51 -0000
Subject: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment
In-Reply-To: <dgi5eu+qeni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgj07n+m9pm@eGroups.com>

Kelly: 
> This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories.  I'm 
> undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts.  Since this theory is 
> so symbolism-based, most posts carry multiple symbolism 
> subcategories: colours, green, red, wood, metal, and alchemy & 
> Rosicrucianism.  I was thinking it might be easier to simply remove 
> all the symbolism codes, since the Stoned!Harry code itself implies 
> the link.  For now, I've left them as they are, pending a group 
> decision.  Any thoughts?

Anne:
If a post is good discussion of S!H (i.e. more than just mentioning it
in passing), go ahead and add the S!H code and also Review Coding. I'm
not sure when your version of the catalogue is from -- it may be that
some of those used to be coded for S!H until I uncoded them for being
repetitious, or they may be ones I've never seen.  That category is
not too big, and I was planning on doing a doublecheck of all of the
Harry categories when I'm done, anyway.

As for all those symbolism categories, my suggestion is that you judge
those independently of the S!H category.  Meaning, if it's a post that
you want for any given symbolism category, then code it there,
otherwise, don't.

Kelly: 
> 1.2.13.2.1 (a) Green 
> --------------------
> Originally: 70
> Now: 62
>  
> Discussion and lists of all things green.  
>  
> Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green 
> eyes.  Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few 
> of the posts I came across carried this category.  I decided to keep 
> those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code.  Some 
> carried the main 2.5.1 Harry Potter code, but those may have been 
> moved to 2.5.1.0 in the Harry review, which isn't reflected in my 
> version of the catalogue; I didn't touch these, just noted that the 
> eyes category should be added.  

Anne:
This is all fine.  Of course, no need to worry about anything already
carrying 2.5.1, since I'm working my way through those anyway.  They
were well over 2000 posts when I started, and are now at about 800
left to go through, and *very* many are being uncoded for Harry
altogether.


Kelly, my reactions to the picture of your "apartment" were pretty
similar to Jen's.  Geez, if there's anything I can do -- like, a care
package when you find a new place? -- just email me, okay?  I'm glad
your cat is okay. :)

Anne








From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep 18 12:35:29 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:35:29 -0000
Subject: Re 1.2.13.2.2 GRIMS etc
Message-ID: <dgjmuh+f71l@eGroups.com>

Kelly:
I don't know if this problem only exists in my version of the 
catelogue, but I have two 1.2.13.2.1's: Green and GRIMS. They seem to 
peacefully coexist, but perhaps it should be fixed?

Carolyn:
I fixed the numbering by calling GRIMS 1.2.13.2.2, and re-numbering 
Red 1.2.13.2.3. GRIMS stands for 'Green is Really Meaningfully 
Significant' BTW ! However, eventually we need to think of a way of 
removing these 5th-level heads, as we agreed we would only have 3rd 
and 4th levels.

I agree with Anne's other comments about Stoned!Harry and green eyes.

And likewise shocked by the ex-apartment picture. Kelly can't get 
access to this list at the moment from her boat, but I am copying and 
pasting all the posts and emailing them to her.

Humungous update to follow later today.

Carolyn









From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Sep 18 12:42:01 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (Kathy Willson)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:42:01 -0400
Subject: care package Re: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: From Kelly/section 1.2.13.2 & trashed apartment
References: <dgj07n+m9pm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV83BA3EEBB88ED50C5AC8FAD930@phx.gbl>



  Anne wrote:

  Kelly, my reactions to the picture of your "apartment" were pretty
  similar to Jen's.  Geez, if there's anything I can do -- like, a care
  package when you find a new place? -- just email me, okay?  I'm glad
  your cat is okay. :)


  Kathy W.
  Count me in too. How can we help?
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From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 18 14:52:14 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:52:14 -0000
Subject: Kelly's Harry codes: Re: Re 1.2.13.2.2 GRIMS etc
In-Reply-To: <dgjmuh+f71l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgjuuu+hf16@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
 
> I agree with Anne's other comments about Stoned!Harry and green eyes.

Oh, yeah, one more thing -- from her comments I'm guessing Kelly has a
version of the catalogue from before we made all those new Harry
categories (she has Harry's Eyes as 2.5.1.0, which is now ANOTHER
HARRY), so the things she's added Harry codes to will have to be
looked at before they're put into the live catalogue.

You're probably well aware of that, but better safe than sorry, I
guess.  *grins sheepishly*

*shoos the penguin away*

~Anne






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep 18 19:18:44 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:18:44 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
Message-ID: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com>

Well, I've spent the past week catching up on where we are with the 
reviews and bringing various files up to date. The job's not finished 
yet but I thought I'd update you on where I've got to.

REVISED DEFINITIONS FILES
The job that took the most time was combing back over our posts since 
last May and cutting and pasting our decisions into the three Word 
Definition files. However, that's done now and I've uploaded the new 
versions into the files section. They are getting very long, but 
record the whys and wherefores of the myriad decisions we have made, 
and often make entertaining reading. Do take a moment to scroll 
through them. I will try and keep these up to date on a weekly basis 
now so as not to get so behind again. Remember, they are called:

Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis
Revised Definitions, Section 2 Character Analysis
Revised Definitoins, Section 3 Wizarding World 

In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to 
those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the 
summer. We owe you. You know who are.

POSTS CODED/REJECTED
This hasn't changed much since July, but for the record 68602 posts 
have been coded, and we've rejected 40660 of them, a healthy 59.2%, 
or looked at another way, we are only keeping about 40% of the posts.


SECTIONS YET TO BE REVIEWED
Based on the decisions recorded in those Word files, I have brought 
my section-by-section crib sheet up to date, and compared it with 
the 'Review allocation database', and find that although we are 
showing 80 sections as finished in our database, in fact there are 
some sub-sections within those groups marked as done which may have 
been missed. I think this is because we've made changes to the 107 
sections that we initially sub-divide that list into, and bits have 
got left out. To follow my analysis listed below, please take a look 
at whichever of these files you can open:

Current Categories, Excel Sept 05
Current Categories, Word Sept 05

Section 1 1.1 - 1.1.1.5 Good vs Evil
Dicentra, were these four sub-sections also reviewed?
1.1.1.1 Religious Influences
1.1.1.2 Wicca
1.1.1.4 Redemption
1.1.1.5 LAMBASTING 

Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice
Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it

Section 1.2. - 1.2.2.2 Literary analysis
Talisman - was 1.2.2.2 NY Times Bestseller list reviewed?

Section 1.2.3 - 1.2.3.9 Literary sources and influences
Debbie - was 1.2.3.6 detective fiction reviewed?

Section 1.2.4 - 1.2.4.9 Authorial intent, reader response
Debbie - was 1.2.4.4 ESE! reviewed?

Section 1.2.6 - 1.2.6.8 Narrative style
Debbie - we agreed a new section 1.2.6.8 Grammar, capitalisation & 
punctuation, but I am not clear if things were put into it, or if it 
is still waiting to be populated.

Section 1.2.8 - 1.2.8.9 Back History
Barry/KathySnow were the following sections included in your reviews:
1.2.8.5 OOP members
1.2.8.8 Shrieking Shack II (POA)
1.2.8.9 Graveyard rebirth

Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation
Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed:
1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes
1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1)
1.2.10.3 HONDA
1.2.10.4 Character development
1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters
1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments

Section 1.5.8 - 2.5.16 Minor Gryffindor students
KathyW, did you include 2.5.5/2.5.5.1 Seamus Finnegan in this group? 
Otherwise, he seems to have been missed

Beyond these queries, there are some 20 sections yet to be done, some 
of them allocated to people who reserved them a while back but have 
not got around to them yet. I'll be in touch offlist to see what the 
situation is with each of you, and uncode names according to the 
responses I get. Talisman has already mentioned that she doesn't 
think she will get to Snape after all, so that's a big one still to 
be tackled. 

TECHIE STUFF
There is progress on building the user interface (UI), although 
admittedly it is slow. Paul has sent Tim another version of the whole 
database to play with, and Tim is also seeking the help of a 
webdesigner friend who might like to do some of the presentational 
aspects. In the meantime, he is making a start on the coding 
structure.

Paul is also making moves to buy a domain name to host the catalogue 
on.

However, we are very much in their hands so I can't put a time frame 
on it.

NEXT ACTIONS
My to do plan looks like this:

- implement Kelly's most recent coding decisions
- contact group members about reviews
- update the live catalogue with any re-written definitions which 
have emerged from the review processes
- get on with my Lord V section, much delayed

Hope most of you are happy to continue on with your reviews. I don't 
think it is sensible to start the next section of coding until our 
review is completed, and I would also like that to coincide with the 
launch of the user interface.

My idea would be that people could start using the database as far as 
we had done it (ie up to publication of OOP), and we would be 
confident that we had cleaned up all the sections sufficiently for it 
to be a sensible and useful tool

Then, on a second copy of the database, we could embark on the OOP 
posts, pausing for regular clean ups. Each time we finished a clean 
up, the enlarged database could be made available to the users.

Well, if anyone has a better idea..

Cheers
Carolyn












From annemehr at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 18 19:50:21 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:50:21 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgkgdt+fejj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2"
<carolynwhite2 at a...> wrote:
 
> My idea would be that people could start using the database as far as 
> we had done it (ie up to publication of OOP), and we would be 
> confident that we had cleaned up all the sections sufficiently for it 
> to be a sensible and useful tool
> 
> Then, on a second copy of the database, we could embark on the OOP 
> posts, pausing for regular clean ups. Each time we finished a clean 
> up, the enlarged database could be made available to the users.
> 
> Well, if anyone has a better idea..
> 
> Cheers
> Carolyn

It's not a *better* idea, but...

I think it might be informative if we recruited a new type of help
before the public unveiling.  I was thinking maybe we could use a few
test subjects to give the catalogue a dry run -- people who have never
worked on our catalogue before.  Some of these people could be ones
you'd asked to help catalogue who declined because of time
constraints, and we could also ask members of TOC.

That way, if there are any glaring sources of user confusion that
we're missing out of familiarity, we'd have friendly outside sources
to pinpoint them for us.  Then we could (re)write user guides and
instructions accordingly before exposing our "baby" to the general
population. ;)

------

It's very encouraging to hear of movement on the technical front from
Paul and Tim -- thanks, you two!  

And a grand salute to our fearless leader, Miss H.

Anne
snapping to attention with the blood of hundreds of Harry decodings
dripping from her machete





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 18 20:19:23 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 20:19:23 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgki4b+netq@eGroups.com>

CW:
> REVISED DEFINITIONS FILES
> The job that took the most time was combing back over our posts
> since last May and cutting and pasting our decisions into the
> three Word Definition files. However, that's done now and I've 
> uploaded the new versions into the files section. 

Jen: Thank you! That's great news.

CW:
> In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to 
> those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the 
> summer. We owe you. You know who are.

Jen: Don't we get to know who our tireless comrades are? :) I know 
Ginger merged the two databases, so a big thanks to her and everyone 
else who kept vigil while the rest of us.....did whatever it was we 
did. Personally I loved HBP (if I haven't already mentioned that<g>) 
and got reinvigorated to write even *more* posts to add to the 
growing number. No, no *waves hand* thank me later. 

CW:
> Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation
> Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed:
> 1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes
> 1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1)
> 1.2.10.3 HONDA
> 1.2.10.4 Character development
> 1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters
> 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments

Jen: These have not been reviewed and all are mine. I did a couple 
of the characterization categories in connection with one of 
Debbie's review areas, but that section was completed in early 
summer. 

CW:
> TECHIE STUFF
> There is progress on building the user interface (UI), although 
> admittedly it is slow. Paul has sent Tim another version of the 
whole 
> database to play with, and Tim is also seeking the help of a 
> webdesigner friend who might like to do some of the presentational 
> aspects. In the meantime, he is making a start on the coding 
> structure.
> 
> Paul is also making moves to buy a domain name to host the 
catalogue 
> on.

Jen: *whew* so good to get this update. 

About Snape. He's intriguing me more after the little brouhaha on 
the the tower. I'm not certain my depth of knowledge is equal to 
many of you, though! If no one steps forward on this one, I can do 
it after characterization.

Jen






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Sun Sep 18 23:37:51 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:37:51 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgktof+bc27@eGroups.com>


>Carolyn:
> Section 1.5.8 - 2.5.16 Minor Gryffindor students
> KathyW, did you include 2.5.5/2.5.5.1 Seamus Finnegan in this group? 
> Otherwise, he seems to have been missed

Kathy W:
Seamus was done. SAGA FAKED which comes under his heading has 0 posts.


I second the motion to have a test group perform a trial of the 
catalogue. Better to have honest friends point out problems than 
unfriendly customers. 

Kathy W





From elfundeb at comcast.net  Mon Sep 19 01:19:31 2005
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 01:19:31 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgkeik+ces9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgl3n3+4jdm@eGroups.com>

::scanning latest memo from the Captain and noticing her name in 
many places::

The Captain wrote:
 
> In passing, I would just like to record a huge vote of thanks to 
> those of you who have patiently gone on with the work over the 
> summer. We owe you. You know who are.

My thanks, too, to all who worked while I was out pretending RL was 
more important than this.


> Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice
> Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can 
delete it

Do I need to empty it?  I think I've moved all the posts that need 
to be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted.  Do 
I need to do it by hand?

> Section 1.2.3 - 1.2.3.9 Literary sources and influences
> Debbie - was 1.2.3.6 detective fiction reviewed?

Yes.

> Section 1.2.4 - 1.2.4.9 Authorial intent, reader response
> Debbie - was 1.2.4.4 ESE! reviewed?

This was reviewed, but I had some questions about it.  I think the 
issue was whether we could (or should) capture all the characters 
that have been accused of Evilness. I see it still has 94 posts; 
I'll take another look.
> 
> Section 1.2.6 - 1.2.6.8 Narrative style
> Debbie - we agreed a new section 1.2.6.8 Grammar, capitalisation & 
> punctuation, but I am not clear if things were put into it, or if 
it 
> is still waiting to be populated.

I have populated it, though it's a bit thin.


> Section 1.2.10 -1.2.10.10 Characterisation
> Debbie/Jen, did these sub-sections get reviewed:
> 1.2.10.1 Originality & use of stereotypes
> 1.2.10.2 PACMAN (version 1)
> 1.2.10.3 HONDA
> 1.2.10.4 Character development
> 1.2.10.5 Generational parallels betwn characters
> 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments

I think Jen covered this.

> Hope most of you are happy to continue on with your reviews. I 
don't 
> think it is sensible to start the next section of coding until our 
> review is completed, and I would also like that to coincide with 
the 
> launch of the user interface.

I've launched into Class System, Bigotry and Prejudice, then I'll 
swing back to ESE!  After that, if no one's put me out of my misery 
yet, I'll tackle Child Abuse.

Debbie





From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 19 02:24:03 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:24:03 -0000
Subject: Quidditch and other comments
Message-ID: <dgl7g3+unva@eGroups.com>

Hi.

I just finished the Quidditch section of my review and I have a 
comment.  This category has a lot of overlap, and some posts are 
coded to more than one section, which is fine, but so we're all on 
the same page definition-wise, let's define "player".

Under "History, Players, Balls and Rules" let's define "player" as 
the position played.  For example, if the post is about Harry as a 
Seeker, it would go here, but if it is about Harry as a team member, 
then it would go under "House Quidditch Teams".  Many posts talk 
about both, and are coded to both, which is fine.  

There are posts about whether or not the Slyth team cheats, which 
sometimes goes under "rules", and sometimes under "house" and 
sometimes under both. 

I did a lot of re-shuffling, so they're where they belong now.  The 
lines between the categories are quite blurry, but darned if I could 
find a better way to sort them. <cheesy grin>

I would also propose that pretty much anything to do with Krum, the 
Irish side, etc. go under WQC, as it is the smaller of the potential 
categories, and fits well there.  Unless we're discussing the rules, 
in which case, it would go there (or possibly to both).

Clear as mud?  Of course!  That's how the section seems to be.

On to other stuff. 

Add me to the list of those who would like to do something to help 
Kelly.  Shocked by the pic, relieved about the cat.

Jen, you're taking Snape?  As my mommy would say, "Why, bless your 
lil old pea-pickin heart".  I have no idea why she says that, but 
it's reserved for special surprises, and someone actually 
volunteering for Snape fits the bill.

Add me to agreement that lab rats should be recruited to test our 
little experiment.  An outside opinion is a good thing.  They may 
have input on things which seems obvious to us, that someone who 
hasn't been coding and reviewing may not see when presented with the 
whole of it at once.  Remember how intimidated we all were when we 
first looked at all those categories for the first time?  

Totally OT, I was watching the Minnesota Vikings (American football) 
game today.  (I root for whomever is playing against them.)  They 
have a player called Mewelde Moore, which always sounded like 
Voldemort when the announcers said it.  Tickled me to no end.  The 
Vikes got their tails creamed, but I couldn't chortle too loudly, as 
my beloved Lions got kicked too.  

I'm sure I'll remember something else in about 5 minutes.

Ginger, who needs to make a stern rule for herself about cleaning 
house before doing any work here as the housework doesn't get done.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 19 14:14:25 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:14:25 -0000
Subject: steps in reviewing & Wizard chess report
Message-ID: <dgmh41+llua@eGroups.com>

As I recall, as we completed a review, we were to update/change the 
definition of the section. At the moment, I can't find the site where 
we do that. And to be honest, I'm not sure I've kept my sections up to 
date. What's the best way to "review" that?

In looking over your updated sections, I see that I'd once asked about 
the chance of lumping Gryffindors (Slytherins, etc) together when a 
post was about the gang rather than one specific student (although 
several students might be named.) Did we ever discuss that?

Wizard chess has been changed to the following: 

3.14 Toys and Games
3.14.1 Wizard chess and chess theories (37 posts)
3.14.2 Firewoks (0)
3.14.3 Other games (4)

Kathy W





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 19 14:25:56 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:25:56 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgki4b+netq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgmhpk+faon@eGroups.com>

Jen wrote: 
> Jen: *whew* so good to get this update. 
> 
> About Snape. He's intriguing me more after the little brouhaha on 
> the the tower. I'm not certain my depth of knowledge is equal to 
> many of you, though! If no one steps forward on this one, I can do 
> it after characterization.


Kathy W:
The Snape section is huge...and from the looks of the current list, 
it's going to get huger. (You know, before July I would never have 
said that!)

My suggestion is to code the first 100--200 posts and then reject 
everything else as "adds nothing new".

I was just kidding!

Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I would 
be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and Snape 
will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the 
reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it 
down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be portions) 
to the rest of us.






From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 19 15:47:00 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:47:00 -0000
Subject: Magical Plants
Message-ID: <dgmmhk+8mn1@eGroups.com>

 3.12 Magical Plants 0
3.12.1 Mimbulus Mimbletonia was 0 is 0
3.12.2 Mandrakes/mandragora was 40 now 31
3.12.3 Whomping Willow was 13 now 8
3.12.4 gillyweed was 4 now 4

Not a big section, as you can see. Biggest cuts were from the days when 
we all coded everything that moved. In the case of the mandrakes, there 
were a number of themes which were repeated. Oddly enough, all 4 posts 
about gillyweed had to do with gilly water. We don't have a code for 
gilly water. Nor am I saying we need one. I'll get to that heading 
tomorrow.

Kathy W who does not remember if it is gilly weed or gillyweed and the 
same for gillywater. 





From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 19 16:42:39 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:42:39 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgmhpk+faon@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgmppv+qki1@eGroups.com>

> Kathy W:
> The Snape section is huge...and from the looks of the current 
list, 
> it's going to get huger. (You know, before July I would never have 
> said that!)
> 
> My suggestion is to code the first 100--200 posts and then reject 
> everything else as "adds nothing new".

Jen: Darn, you figured out my strategy. On to plan B. :)

KathyW:
> Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I 
would 
> be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and 
Snape 
> will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the 
> reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it 
> down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be 
portions) 
> to the rest of us.

Jen: Actually, that's a very good idea. Not only for my personal 
sanity (I just checked the section and had second thoughts), but 
also so big-time Snape fans are involved. The Snape category will 
probably be the most frequent category clicked on so the more Snapey 
eyes the better.

Oh, and I third Anne's idea about beta-testing this baby before the 
launch. 

Jen, who doesn't know what a pea-pickin' heart is either but thinks 
having hers blessed sounds like a very good thing for even 
*thinking* about wandering into the Snape arena. 






From annemehr at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 19 17:31:53 2005
From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:53 -0000
Subject: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgmppv+qki1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgmsm9+54s0@eGroups.com>

 
> KathyW:
> > Well Jen, you're very brave and it's been nice knowing you. I 
> would 
> > be willing to bet that all the other sections will be done and 
> Snape 
> > will still be a huge task. (This reflects on the topic, not the 
> > reviewer.) Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it 
> > down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be 
> portions) 
> > to the rest of us.
> 
> Jen: Actually, that's a very good idea. Not only for my personal 
> sanity (I just checked the section and had second thoughts), but 
> also so big-time Snape fans are involved. The Snape category will 
> probably be the most frequent category clicked on so the more Snapey 
> eyes the better.

Anne:
*ponders*

I'm not sure, but I think Talisman had got so far as making new Snape
categories to sort the Snapey posts into.  If so, then that part's
done (and if she hasn't posted them already, maybe Talisman could give
us definitions for those categories).

The point of the review is for one person to sort through a category,
because that one person will then know what's repetitive, besides
throwing out the posts that don't really fit in any case.  If more
than one person does the Snape category, each will not know what the
other is keeping -- so they may end up keeping very similar posts and
having a few inconsistencies.

However, the Harry category I am doing is just about as big as Snape,
and I am finding that I can't always remember if I've kept a post with
a certain type of idea or not, after reviewing over a thousand
already.  So, I plan on re-reviewing each of my Harry categories at
the end anyway to weed out the last of the repetitiveness.  That
shouldn't take to long, once I've cut it all down to managable
proportions and decent posts.

So IF Carolyn doesn't mind breaking up the Snape category among
several reviewers, I suggest a two-stage process.  First, several
people take bits of Snape and review them.  Be very picky about which
posts you keep.  Then, after that first review, *one* person go
through everything that's left and cull even more, making sure
everything makes sense.

I'd also suggest the Snape reviewers all be people who have reviewed
other categories already, since reviewing experience will be a huge plus.

*looks up at long post*

Wow, I really ran off at the mouth -- or keyboard!  Sorry.

~Anne
not touching Snape with a ten foot broomstick







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Sep 19 20:40:41 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:40:41 -0000
Subject: Various responses
Message-ID: <dgn7o9+36ag@eGroups.com>

Kelly: 
> This first comment will apply to all symbolism categories. I'm 
> undecided what to do about Stoned!Harry posts.

Anne:
If a post is good discussion of S!H (i.e. more than just mentioning 
it in passing), go ahead and add the S!H code and also Review Coding.

Carolyn:
I've just worked through Kelly's colour section, implementing her 
suggested changes. I found that on all the posts which she had 
marked 'sh', these were already coded to Stoned!Harry. I decided to 
do nothing, but to leave the decision to Anne as to whether to leave 
that code on or not. Kelly had not suggested adding the code to any 
additional posts.

*********
Kelly:
> Many of the posts here disucssed the significance of Harry's green 
eyes. Because 2.5.1.0 Harry's eyes is a pretty recent creation, few 
of the posts I came across carried this category. I decided to keep 
those posts in 1.2.13.2.1 but also to add the 2.5.1.0 code.

Anne:
>from her comments I'm guessing Kelly has a
version of the catalogue from before we made all those new Harry
categories (she has Harry's Eyes as 2.5.1.0, which is now ANOTHER
HARRY)

Carolyn:
Yes, the code for Harry's eyes is now 2.5.1.5.1. When I looked at 
Kelly's suggested additions for that category, I decided it might be 
quicker to list them here, and for Anne to decide whether they added 
anything to her category. The post # are:

5565
30165
30167
33022
33067
43035

********
Anne:
I was thinking maybe we could use a few test subjects to give the 
catalogue a dry run -- people who have never worked on our catalogue 
before. Some of these people could be ones you'd asked to help 
catalogue who declined because of time constraints, and we could also 
ask members of TOC.

(and everyone who seconded this idea)

C - Never fear, this was always part of the plan. Our beta group is 
likely to be all the elves, and those that keep a watch on us here 
but don't do much <g>. It's about 20-30 people in all, which should 
be sufficient to de-bug it before we go public.

*********

> Section 1.1.5 - 1.1.5.1 Class system, bigotry & prejudice
> Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can 
delete it

Debbie:
Do I need to empty it? I think I've moved all the posts that need 
to be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted. Do I 
need to do it by hand?

Carolyn:
I could ask Paul to do it, but it takes him a while to get around to 
such requests. I'll email him tonight and see what happens.

*******

Ginger:
Clear as mud? Of course! That's how the section seems to be.

C- erm...I think we'll trust a veteran of the Lupin section to deal 
with any little problems Quidditch throws up..

*******
KathyW:
As I recall, as we completed a review, we were to update/change the 
definition of the section. At the moment, I can't find the site where 
we do that. And to be honest, I'm not sure I've kept my sections up 
to date. What's the best way to "review" that?

Carolyn:
This should be done in one of the four database sections entitled
1. Text analysis
2. Character analysis
3. Wizarding World
4. Other topics

Not many people have revised the old definitions within those 
databases, and we need to do that in order to paste the new 
definitions into the live database. When you do do some editing, 
could you highlight it by putting /EDITED after your name in the 
column far right. If you scroll through, you'll find some have been 
done, so follow that style.

KathyW:
In looking over your updated sections, I see that I'd once asked 
about the chance of lumping Gryffindors (Slytherins, etc) together 
when a post was about the gang rather than one specific student 
(although several students might be named.) Did we ever discuss that?

C- It depends what it's about. Most likely it would be a reference to 
characteristics of house Slytherin ?? In which case we'd use one of 
the House codes down in section 3.

*******
SNAPE:

Jen takes a suicidal leap, but as she runs over the edge remembers 
AmandaGeist, Pippin, erm, the entire old crowd:
>If no one steps forward on this one, I can do it after 
characterization...
>(I just checked the section and had second thoughts), 

The rest of the team rush forward to save her, and have the bright 
idea of giving the problem to me:

KathyW: Unless you're having fun with it, consider breaking it 
down and have Miss assign potions (that was supposed to be portions) 
to the rest of us.

Anne, who's been there, speaks words of reason:
So IF Carolyn doesn't mind breaking up the Snape category among
several reviewers, I suggest a two-stage process. First, several
people take bits of Snape and review them. Be very picky about which 
posts you keep. Then, after that first review, *one* person go 
through everything that's left and cull even more, making sure
everything makes sense.

C..
Um, I was going to offer to do him. I know there is no real escape. I 
figure if do Voldemort AND Snape I'll feel a bit better about all the 
other sections you are all ploughing through.

I've a pretty good idea of the sub categories, and will discuss 
further with Talisman to see if she had any other preliminary ideas. 
Maybe I will then plough through some 1000 or so posts, to see how 
they fit the sections. Once I am surer about the fit/definitions, we 
could possibly think about breaking up the task between consenting 
adults. Then, as Anne suggests, go back over the whole thing again 
once more.

Carolyn, sighing. 
Yeah, ok, the catalogue probably will be judged on the quality of the 
Snape category. Gulp.








From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 20 02:49:35 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:49:35 -0000
Subject: Various responses
In-Reply-To: <dgn7o9+36ag@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dgntbv+ifgq@eGroups.com>

C..
> Um, I was going to offer to do him. I know there is no real escape.
> I figure if do Voldemort AND Snape I'll feel a bit better about all
> the other sections you are all ploughing through.


> Carolyn, sighing. 
> Yeah, ok, the catalogue probably will be judged on the quality of
> the Snape category. Gulp.

Dobby: 
"Dobby knew Miss was smart and organized, but about her bravery, Dobby 
did not know! And about her streak of insanity, Dobby is not sure what 
to say, but her nobility! Miss saving that poor girl from the likes of 
the Snapologists....."

Jen, who will start back to work now after being saved from herself 
yet again and thanking Carolyn profusely ;).






From dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Sep 20 13:21:42 2005
From: dumbledad at yahoo.co.uk (Tim Regan)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:21:42 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Humungous update, Sunday 18th September
In-Reply-To: <dgkgdt+fejj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1576038207.1680.hpfgu-catalogue@archive.hpfgu.org>

Hi All,

Anne wrote:
>>> I think it might be informative if we recruited a new type of help
before the public unveiling.  I was thinking maybe we could use a few test
subjects to give the catalogue a dry run -- people who have never worked on
our catalogue before.  Some of these people could be ones you'd asked to
help catalogue who declined because of time constraints, and we could also
ask members of TOC. <<< 

I agree. I think this will be essential to refine the visual presentation of
the catalogue before we get it right. TOC is a good recruiting ground for
test subjects, as is HPfGU and Mod. I do imagine that there'll be several
iterations of the UI before we decide to go public. Before we even started
designing Carolyn, Paul, and I had lengthy discussions about the differing
nature of browsing and searching, and I'm sure they'll be more discussions
like that to be had here as we refine the design.

Sorry I cannot give a date yet - I'll keep y'all posted.

Cheers,

Tim / Dumbledad.


		
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Sep 22 13:19:58 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:19:58 -0000
Subject: Chocolate Frog Cards
Message-ID: <dgub1u+d5hc@eGroups.com>

I'm going through 3.13 Food and Diet. Of note is 3.13.2 Chocolate 
Frog Cards. While the chocolate frogs are food, the cards are not. 
None of the many, many posts have anything to do with food. Well, one 
does, but only indirectly.

Two posts have to do with the magical qualities of pictures and 
photographs and both are coded to that heading as well as to 3.13.2.

Ten have to do with the wizards or witches who can be found on the 
cards. At this point only three or four individuals are named. A 
couple are also coded to the appropriate witch/wizard under the 
historical wizard section, but not everyone has their own code...nor 
do they need one.

I'm not sure how much more discussion of the cards will happen when 
we get into OoP. With the new activity of Headmaster portraits, new 
ideas about the cards might come up.

In the distant future of coding, there will be posts about the Wizard 
of the Month from JKR's site. No doubt in the same avalanche of 
numbers as we have in this heading now.

My recommendation is to make a slight change in 3.7.8 Photographs and 
Portraits so that it includes posts about the magical nature of 
pictures on the frog cards. That can be in the name or the 
definition. These posts are already coded there anyway.

Then, move Choclolate Frog Cards into the 2.12 Historical Wizarding 
Characters as 2.12.7 Characters from cards and calendar. This section 
would be for discussions about witches and wizards who appeared on 
cards/calendar but who do not merit their own heading.

Oh, was 15, now 12.

Kathy W.







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sat Sep 24 19:39:51 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:39:51 -0000
Subject: Chocolate Frog Cards
In-Reply-To: <dgub1u+d5hc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh4a27+hrb8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at m...> 
wrote:

> My recommendation is to make a slight change in 3.7.8 Photographs and 
> Portraits so that it includes posts about the magical nature of 
> pictures on the frog cards. That can be in the name or the 
> definition. These posts are already coded there anyway.
> 
> Then, move Choclolate Frog Cards into the 2.12 Historical Wizarding 
> Characters as 2.12.7 Characters from cards and calendar. This section 
> would be for discussions about witches and wizards who appeared on 
> cards/calendar but who do not merit their own heading.
> 
Carolyn:
I think that Chocolate Frog Cards would be a good subset of 2.12, 
definitely, so I'll do that right away. I am less sure about expanding 
the heading of 3.7.8 because people might start putting the wrong 
things there. I suppose we could call it Photographs, pictures & 
portraits?






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Sun Sep 25 17:39:11 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:39:11 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September
Message-ID: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com>

PROGRESS
As of today, we have coded 68600 and rejected 40715, which brings our 
reject rate up another notch to 59.3%.

REVISED FILES & DATABASES
I have brought the three revised definition files up to date with 
this week's decisions and uploaded them to our files sections. These 
are the ones called:

Revised Definitions, Section 1 Text Analysis
Revised Definitions, Section 2 Character Analysis
Revised Definitions, Section 3 Wizarding World

I have also done some more work on the lists of categories and 
uploaded new versions in both Word and Excel formats. These are the 
ones called:

Current Categories Word 25th September
Current Categories Excel 25th September

These two last files now exactly reflect the content which is in the:

Review Allocations Database

and especially a new numbering system. I have gone all the way 
through that database and given each section a number from 1-106. I 
have also checked and corrected which sub-sections are covered within 
each of those numbered sections, as they had got a bit out of date.

As a result of all that, it seems that we have definitely done 77 out 
of 106 sections, but there are some queries outstanding, see below. 
Some of these I raised last week.

REVIEW QUERIES
(I am using the new numbered blocks - please see dbase for more info)

GROUP 1 (Good n' evil)
Still waiting to hear back from Dicentra as to whether she included 
sub-sections 1.1.1.1, 1.1.1.2, 1.1.1.4 and 1.1.1.5 in her review. I 
think she did, but want to double-check. If so, that section is 
finished.

GROUP 6 (Class system, bigotry & prejudice)
Carolyn:
Debbie - sub-section 1.1.5.1 needs to be emptied, then I can delete it

Debbie:
Do I need to empty it? I think I've moved all the posts that need to 
be moved; the remaining posts just need the category deleted. Do I 
need to do it by hand?

Carolyn:
I could ask Paul to do it, but it takes him a while to get around to 
such requests. I'll email him tonight and see what happens.

Carolyn (again):
Snaggette. If he does this automatically, any post that ends up with 
no coding as a result will not be rejected properly - ie, a reject 
code selected and the reject button ticked. It would probably be 
quicker to do it by hand to make sure things happen correctly. I just 
had to re-check 127 posts where we'd tried to do the same thing for 
Kathy (1.2.12 Calculating characters ages). Ok now, but the auto 
option didn't save much time overall.

GROUP 13 (Authorial intent etc)
This is finished apart from a re-check of 1.2.4.4 ESE!, as we have 
discussed.

GROUP 17 (Back History)
This is nearly finished, but I don't think 1.2.8.8 and 1.2.8.9 were 
included when it was done. They need rechecking by someone - 
volunteers?

GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II)
I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do 
1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that group 
is also finished.

GROUP 22 (Group Dynamics)
Please note that whoever picks up this section that KathyK has 
already done two bits of it - 1.2.11 and 1.2.11.3, but they may need 
re-checking once the sort out of the complete section is finished.

GROUP 53 (Argus Filch)
Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers with 
suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in implementing 
them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? It's about a 
100 posts.

GROUP 86 (WW History/Law & Order)
Please note whoever picks this up that Doug has done section 3.1.1 
Pre-1900 history

GROUP 87 (Health & Physiology/Bloodlines & Inheritance/Quidditch/WW 
Culture & Media)
Ginger, I think you have volunteered for this section, but just 
wanted to alert you to the fact that three sections have had other 
people working on them recently:

3.5.2.2 Squibs (Dot)
3.5.4 Blood protection at Privet Drive (Dot)
3.6.3 Hogwart's Quidditch Teams (Kelly)

If you look in the Revised Definitions file (Section 3), you'll see 
the notes of the discussion.

GROUP 102 (Differences between editions)
Debbie, re our discussion about the new category 1.2.6.8 Grammar, 
capitalisation and punctuation, I wondered if you should double check 
what Jo had put into 4.1.2.1 capitalisation and punctuation in this 
section. There looks to be some potential overlap.

GROUP 104 (JKR Interviews & comments)
I need to double-check with Barry that he did all the sub-sections in 
this Group.


... I think that's everything for this week!

Carolyn





From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com  Sun Sep 25 19:02:03 2005
From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:02:03 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Update, Sunday 25th September
In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com>
References: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0E6379A7-0DF5-445C-A136-D70A353348AE@btconnect.com>

>
> GROUP 104 (JKR Interviews & comments)
> I need to double-check with Barry that he did all the sub-sections in
> this Group.
>
>
> .. I think that's everything for this week!
>
> Carolyn


Did 'em way  back.
Being the fairly specific subject matter it is, it's unlikely (though  
faintly possible)  that posts appropriate to this section have been  
in limbo elsewhere and have since been re-discovered and correctly  
assigned.

Might also be possible that any further cataloguing activities  
undertaken since the great review may have added a few more to the  
original list.



From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Sep 26 02:51:43 2005
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:51:43 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September
In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh7nnv+vpop@eGroups.com>

Carolyn:
> GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II)
> I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do 
> 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that 
group 
> is also finished.

Jen: That's my section, but what happened to the rest of the 
categories? I was down for sections 1.2.10-1.2.10.6 as of last week, 
but you're saying I only need to complete psychological assessments? 
(I can't get into the catalogue at the moment to check exactly which 
categories were left to do).

> GROUP 53 (Argus Filch)
> Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers with 
> suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in implementing 
> them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? It's about
> a 100 posts.

Jen: I can do this one, just send me the post numbers.







From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Sep 26 07:11:19 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:11:19 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September
In-Reply-To: <dh7nnv+vpop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh86un+f1mr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "Jen Reese" <stevejjen at e...> 
wrote:
> Carolyn:
> > GROUP 21 (Characterisation, Pt II)
> > I wasn't sure whether it was Debbie or Jen who was down to do 
> > 1.2.10.8 Psychological assessments, but once it is done, that 
> group is also finished.
> 
> Jen: That's my section, but what happened to the rest of the 
> categories? I was down for sections 1.2.10-1.2.10.6 as of last 
week, but you're saying I only need to complete psychological 
assessments? (I can't get into the catalogue at the moment to check 
exactly which categories were left to do).

Carolyn:
Alas, never fear, you are still down to do those sections, but they 
are in a different group, Group 20. Have a quick look in the dbase 
here on this site (Review allocations) and you will see what I mean. 
I didn't run through all the outstanding sections that people are 
working on, just pulled out some areas that if we focused on 
finishing one subsection, it would actually complete a review group. 
I queried group 21 as actually Debbie did all the other sections in 
it, and I wondered which of you had thought you were doing the last 
bit.

Sort of psychological approach - by just checking up and doing some 
small things it would improve our current score of 77 groups complete 
to about 85 by next week I think!
> 
> > GROUP 53 (Argus Filch)
> > Magda has partly done this and sent me a list of post numbers 
with suggestions. However, our technology defeated her in 
implementing them - would anyone like to pick this up and finish it? 
It's about a 100 posts.
> 
> Jen: I can do this one, just send me the post numbers.

Carolyn:
Thanks so much, I'll do that.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 26 15:31:08 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:31:08 -0000
Subject: Update, Sunday 25th September
In-Reply-To: <dh6nbv+2hp1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh947s+819g@eGroups.com>

 
> Carolyn (again):
> Snaggette. If he does this automatically, any post that ends up 
with 
> no coding as a result will not be rejected properly - ie, a reject 
> code selected and the reject button ticked. It would probably be 
> quicker to do it by hand to make sure things happen correctly. I 
just 
> had to re-check 127 posts where we'd tried to do the same thing for 
> Kathy (1.2.12 Calculating characters ages). Ok now, but the auto 
> option didn't save much time overall.

Kathy W:
So is 1.2.12 done or do I need to go back and re-work something?

 
> Carolyn:
> I think that Chocolate Frog Cards would be a good subset of 2.12, 
> definitely, so I'll do that right away. I am less sure about 
expanding 
> the heading of 3.7.8 because people might start putting the wrong 
> things there. I suppose we could call it Photographs, pictures & 
> portraits?

Kathy W:
I think that would work. I'm just thinking of the posts that will 
come up about the magical properties of DD's chocolate Frog Card 
picture.

I would think that if you make those two changes, moving CF cards to 
historical wizards, and adding pictures to 3.7.8 then CF card posts 
would fall into one or the other, but rarely both.







From willsonkmom at msn.com  Mon Sep 26 16:42:06 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:42:06 -0000
Subject: Food and Drink 3.13
Message-ID: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com>

Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. Except I need to re-
code Choc Frog cards.

Droobles Best Blowing Gum was and is 0. We know there are going to be 
posts about the anagrams, and about the possibility of poison in the 
gum, and questions about where the bubbles were if Alice was chewing 
all that gum.

So in preparation should we agree now that Droobles anagrams go into 
1.2.6.7 Anagrams; and poisoned gum or missing bubbles go into 3.13.3? 
Or does it all fall into some Longbottom theory code?

After I recode the cards, I'll follow up on updating definitions and 
then take on a new category.

Kathy W. 





From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Mon Sep 26 18:32:29 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:32:29 -0000
Subject: Weasley Ages/Food and Drink 3.13/Droobles
In-Reply-To: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dh9ert+vup6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. 

C - it's tough work, cataloguing..

Kathy W:
So is 1.2.12 done or do I need to go back and re-work something?

C - no, it's ok, it's now done, ie no posts there anymore. The bigger 
question is how to stop people cataloguing to that heading, after 
making a decision to move everything to it's sub-sections. As it's a 
level 3 head, it's still possible to do so.


KathyW:
I would think that if you make those two changes, moving CF cards to 
historical wizards, and adding pictures to 3.7.8 then CF card posts 
would fall into one or the other, but rarely both.

C - I'll make the change to 3.7.8. Remember to amend the definition 
for both sections.

KathyW:
Droobles Best Blowing Gum was and is 0. We know there are going to be 
posts about the anagrams, and about the possibility of poison in the 
gum, and questions about where the bubbles were if Alice was chewing 
all that gum.

So in preparation should we agree now that Droobles anagrams go into 
1.2.6.7 Anagrams; and poisoned gum or missing bubbles go into 3.13.3? 
Or does it all fall into some Longbottom theory code?

C - Hm, on reflection, I think it is rather confusing having a whole 
sub-head under food & drink for Droobles gum, especially if there 
have been no posts yet about it just as a sweet, as opposed to a 
theory.

My feeling is that we should delete it as sub-head 3.13.3, and put 
all anagrams/theories with the Neville theory at..I've just looked, 
and we don't even have the theory under Neville, Alice or Frank 
actually. How about I move 3.13.3 to be a new subset under Neville ? 
Debbie - you did the section - any thoughts??






From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 27 11:27:12 2005
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Food and Drink 3.13
In-Reply-To: <dh98cu+3vgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050927112713.89611.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



potioncat <willsonkmom at msn.com> wrote:
Food and Drink have been consumed...erm, completed. Except I need to re-
code Choc Frog cards.
(snip)
After I recode the cards, I'll follow up on updating definitions and 
then take on a new category.

 

Ginger says:

I've got pics, ports, and paints, or whatever we are calling it now.  I haven't started it yet, so I don't know if there are any posts about frog cards there.  I'll wait until you are finished, and then go through it as a whole.  Let me know when you are done, ok?  I have plenty of other items to do in the meantime, so don't worry about me getting bored or anything:o)

 

Ginger, who put in overtime last weekend (24 hours in 2 days)and didn't get very much done here.


		
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From willsonkmom at msn.com  Tue Sep 27 11:35:40 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:35:40 -0000
Subject: Food and Drink 3.13
In-Reply-To: <20050927112713.89611.qmail@web30211.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Ginger says:
> 
> I've got pics, ports, and paints, or whatever we are calling it now.  
I haven't started it yet, so I don't know if there are any posts about 
frog cards there.  I'll wait until you are finished, and then go 
through it as a whole.  Let me know when you are done, ok?  I have 
plenty of other items to do in the meantime, so don't worry about me 
getting bored or anything:o)

Kathy W:
The posts were already co-coded to Pics. It'll just be a case of my 
uncoding the choc frog code.





From willsonkmom at msn.com  Thu Sep 29 12:25:50 2005
From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:25:50 -0000
Subject: backtracking & Food
Message-ID: <dhgmge+10199@eGroups.com>

Potioncat stands at her desk and begins to speak in a loud and clear 
voice. "When backpacking, one should always give thought to the types 
and amount of food that will be needed. It is important to..."

Ginger taps her on the shoulder and whispers loudly, "It's 
not 'Backpacking and Food', it's 'Backtracking' and 'Food'."

"Oh, well, but I've done all this research..."

Food and Drink posts have been moved. Carol, you can take 3.13.2 and 
3.13.3 out of that section.

I've been reviewing the database to update all the sections I've 
done. If codes have been removed from the cataloging tool, should I 
delete them from the database or are you in charge of that?

And in reviewing the database for my own work, I've been amazed at 
the productivity some of you have put out! My hat is off to the 
MegaReviewers!
Kathy W. 



  






From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Fri Sep 30 19:03:21 2005
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:03:21 -0000
Subject: backtracking & Food
In-Reply-To: <dhgmge+10199@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dhk25p+ojfm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" 
<willsonkmom at m...> wrote:
> Potioncat stands at her desk and begins to speak in a loud and 
clear voice. "When backpacking, one should always give thought to the 
types and amount of food that will be needed. It is important to..."
> 
> Ginger taps her on the shoulder and whispers loudly, "It's 
> not 'Backpacking and Food', it's 'Backtracking' and 'Food'."
> 
> "Oh, well, but I've done all this research..."
> 
> Food and Drink posts have been moved. Carol, you can take 3.13.2 
and 3.13.3 out of that section.
> 
> I've been reviewing the database to update all the sections I've 
> done. If codes have been removed from the cataloging tool, should I 
> delete them from the database or are you in charge of that?
> 

Miss H staggers into the catalogue office after a day at the 
coalface. A piece of paper is pinned to her desk with a dessert fork. 
It is covered with foodstains and greasy thumbprints.

After considering it from several angles, Miss H decides to seek 
clarification:

- so, no posts at all about chewing gum or chocolate frogs as food 
items? Magical cooking and diet become 3.13.2 and 3.13.3 respectively?
- by cataloguing tool, you mean the live dbase that we code on?
- if so, yes, remove unwanted codes from the definitions dbases, and 
only update the definitions for those sections that remain; 
conversely, add in any codes that have been put in the live dbase, 
but don't exist in the definitions dbase.

Having further confused everyone, Miss H gives it up as a bad job and 
apparates to the Archers' discussion boards, to find out what 
everyone thought of tonight's gripping episode, and indeed, a 
gruelling week's listening.

One suggestion is that George (residual sproglet from Ed'n'Em's 
illicit liaison) is in fact Harry Potter. No, really, I cannot begin 
to explain, but you are welcome to drop in ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/h2/h2.cgi?
x=y&offset=50&board=archers.otherstorylines&sort=T&state=init

dunno if non-Brits can pick it up, but there is also a listen-again 
feature, so you can even hear the episodes being discussed. The 
authentic voice of middle England I tell you. 
::snork:: 
(as they freqently remark.