From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sun Jan 1 06:35:32 2006 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 06:35:32 -0000 Subject: Good and Evil Message-ID: Appropriate topic to bring in the New Year, no? You may wonder why I'm reviewing posts on New Year's Eve and I have no good answer, so moving right along.... I reviewed the subsections of Religious Influences, Wicca, Redemption and Lambasting. Started at around 400+ posts and now down to 200. The only recommendation I have is rolling Wicca into religious influences if that's acceptable. There were only 19 posts I kept for that category and most of them discussed Christianity and other religions anyway. As for debates which need to be coded carefully in the future, Christian vs. secular discussions regarding the references to Christmas and Easter have been overdone. I chopped several threads which were repeats. That's all, moving on to Characterization next. Happy New Year to all! Jen From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 01:08:35 2006 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:08:35 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter: final(?) report Message-ID: *Anne staggers in, dragging a machete worn down almost to a nub* On or about June 20, 2005 there were a total of 2,481 posts in all Harry Potter categories combined; 2,376 of which were in 2.5.1 Harry Potter. As I began reviewing, a number of others were added as the coders brought us up to the release of OoP. Today, there are a total of 1,398 posts in all Harry categories; a net reduction of 978. Today the Harry categories stand thus: 2.5.1 Harry Potter -- 134 2.5.1.0 ANOTHER HARRY -- 0 2.5.1.1 BIC LIGHTER -- 0 2.5.1.2 HARD SHIPWRECK -- 2 2.5.1.3 SHARK ATTACK -- 1 2.5.1.4 Harry's character traits/maturation -- 444 2.5.1.4.1 ASTONISHED -- 1 2.5.1.4.2 CHIMPANZEE -- 1 2.5.1.4.3 PASHMINAS -- 1 2.5.1.5 Harry's training, protection, powers -- 312 2.5.1.5.1 Harry's eyes -- 42 2.5.1.5.2 Harry's scar -- 50 2.5.1.5.3 Harry's dreams -- 49 2.5.1.5.4 Stoned!Harry -- 50 2.5.1.5.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE -- 2 2.5.1.5.6 DRIBBLE -- 0 2.5.1.6 Harry versus LV & DEs -- 158 2.5.1.6.1 BALDERDASH -- 11 2.5.1.6.2 HELP & LACERATE -- 1 2.5.1.6.3 TIME TURNER -- 0 2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories -- 6 2.5.1.7 Harry's parentage/ancestry -- 128 2.5.1.7.1 HIS SWORD -- 5 RECOMMENDATIONS: ----------------- 2.5.1 Harry Potter: We need to get these out of here because we can't have posts in third level categories. Today, when I looked at what was left in here, I noticed they do seem to have somthing in common (but I'm having trouble putting it into words). They all seem to look at Harry as a literary construct, or from "outside" the story, in contrast to the other categories. This also holds true for the acronyms just below (2.5.1.0 to 2.5.1.4). They examine the character of Harry Potter from the point of view of literary archetypes, or his astrological chart/Meyers Briggs letters or Enneagram. They examine his behavior in terms of whether rule-breaking is good for the kiddies to read, or in terms of what's needed for plot construction, or look for symbolism in his name, wand or handwriting. They look at him from the point of view of the author or a literary critic. Er... to sum up, I think we can empty 2.5.1 into a new level 4 category called "Harry as literary construct/type." What do people think, am I making sense? Can anyone think up a better name? 2.5.1.4 Harry's character traits/maturation: I'm worried about the fact that there are 444 posts in here and OoP still to be coded. I could go through these again and look for repetition (it was hard to remember what was in here after a while). I could look for some subcategories I could pull out (though I had trouble trying to do this before as I seemed to get loads of overlap). I am actually planning on giving this a second look anyway, but I wanted to get this report out first, unless Carolyn has another assignment for me. ;) I also recommend adding a subcategory called "Harry in OoP" to catch all the debate about his crankiness in that book. 2.5.1.5 Harry's training, protection, powers: At 312 posts, this might also be a little full; however, there is probably much less repetition here. Actually, for OoP, Harry's scar and Harry's dreams will take up a lot of what's new. I recommend adding a category for Occlumency before beginning OoP. 2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories: There are only six posts in here. As I recall, Carolyn created this category to quarantine these becaue they irked her. Sorry, Miss, but I don't think they really deserve a category of their own -- it only draws *more* attention to them, anyway. Recommend folding them back into 2.5.1.6. **All category numbers above refer to the categories as they now stand.** However, they do need to be changed because we can't have any posts in 2.5.1 at all. Here is what I think they should be changed to: RECOMMENDED NEW CAT. NUMBERS: 2.5.1 Harry Potter *[to be emptied into 2.5.1.1]* 2.5.1.1 Harry as literary construct/type *[or -- suggestions?]* 2.5.1.1.1 ANOTHER HARRY 2.5.1.1.2 BIC LIGHTER 2.5.1.1.3 HARD SHIPWRECK 2.5.1.1.4 SHARK ATTACK 2.5.1.2 Harry's character traits/maturation 2.5.1.2.1 ASTONISHED 2.5.1.2.2 CHIMPANZEE 2.5.1.2.3 PASHMINAS 2.5.1.2.4 Harry in OoP *[possibly more subcategories here?]* 2.5.1.3 Harry's training, protection, powers 2.5.1.3.1 Harry's eyes 2.5.1.3.2 Harry's scar 2.5.1.3.3 Harry's dreams 2.5.1.3.4 Stoned!Harry 2.5.1.3.5 PHILOSOPHER'S STONE 2.5.1.3.6 DRIBBLE 2.5.1.3.7 Occlumency 2.5.1.4 Harry versus LV & DEs 2.5.1.4.1 BALDERDASH 2.5.1.4.2 HELP & LACERATE 2.5.1.4.3 TIME TURNER *[Time turner!Harry theories folded back into 2.5.1.4]* 2.5.1.5 Harry's parents/ancestry <--changed "parentage;" it was :P 2.5.1.5.1 HIS SWORD So, Carolyn -- shall I do some more work on Harry's character traits/maturation before you change any category numbers, or shall I do something else? Anne off to the liquor cabinet; this wine glass is almost empty and I missed the Christmas party *pout* From quigonginger at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 04:11:49 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:11:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Harry Potter: final(?) report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060103041149.35191.qmail@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anne off to the liquor cabinet; this wine glass is almost empty and I missed the Christmas party *pout* Ginger hands Anne a glass and fills it for her. You haven't missed the New Year's Party: it's in full swing! Here's to you, Anne. Thousands of posts and you're still ambulatory. And coherent. Keep drinking; it'll go away soon enough. Ginger, feeling really guilty about not finishing her measly 100+ category. More wine! Happy New Year! --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jen: The only recommendation I have is rolling Wicca into religious influences if that's acceptable. There were only 19 posts I kept for that category and most of them discussed Christianity and other religions anyway. C: I'll do that. Doesn't sound like it's worth keeping the separate category >Debbie staggers into the Catalogue office, looking haggard and wild- eyed, and wielding a machete. The staffers look up, "Vengeance is mine!" she shouts, the machete glinting in a shaft of sunlight as she waves it above her head. >*Anne staggers in, dragging a machete worn down almost to a nub* Miss H beams happily. All that training is paying off..what we have here is a well-oiled killing machine. Surely it will warm Kneasy's black old heart and dispel his New Year gloom? Can't wait to let you lot loose on the current list. Made the mistake of popping over there recently. Not a good idea. Repetitive is the most tactful word I can think of. Anne (and Debbie!), big thanks - amazing dedication. Well done to have cleared such huge sections. Anne: Er... to sum up, I think we can empty 2.5.1 into a new level 4 category called "Harry as literary construct/type." What do people think, am I making sense? Can anyone think up a better name? C: Anne, that's fine. I've created exactly the same sort of section for Voldemort. Anne: 2.5.1.6.4 Time turner!Harry theories: There are only six posts in here. As I recall, Carolyn created this category to quarantine these becaue they irked her. Sorry, Miss, but I don't think they really deserve a category of their own -- it only draws *more* attention to them, anyway. Recommend folding them back into 2.5.1.6. C: Okey doke. Again, have a TTT section for Voldemort for the same reason! Probably the same posts.. Anne: So, Carolyn -- shall I do some more work on Harry's character traits/maturation before you change any category numbers, or shall I do something else? C: Will implement all your new category numbers and suggestions when I have a moment this week - going back to work tomorrow alas :( Suggest you wait until I have done that before doing any final shifting/fine-tuning of categories if you can bear to look at them all again. Ginger: Here's to you, Anne. Thousands of posts and you're still ambulatory. And coherent. Keep drinking; it'll go away soon enough. C: Seconded! And Happy New Year to you all. From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 4 06:36:40 2006 From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:36:40 -0000 Subject: Out of the blue question... Message-ID: Hi, everyone-- I've had a listie who's been away for a while write to me; she'd like to peruse old posts that have been made on the significance of the colors red and green in the books. I was able to find that those posts would be categorized to section 1.2.13.2; could I possibly get the numbers of messages that have been coded there? (I see the catalogue itself has been moved, though I don't have an id to access it, etc.) Could someone give me this info? --Kelley (I owe you an email, Ginger, I'm sorry! This is why I don't post anywhere -- am behind faster than I can blink my eyes!) ;-) From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 13:19:16 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:19:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Out of the blue question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060104131916.70457.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kelley wrote: Hi, everyone-- I've had a listie who's been away for a while write to me; she'd like to peruse old posts that have been made on the significance of the colors red and green in the books. --Kelley (I owe you an email, Ginger, I'm sorry! This is why I don't post anywhere -- am behind faster than I can blink my eyes!) ;-) Ginger here: Hi Kelley, now I guess since I am answering this, you don't owe me that e-mail any more (although I would love to hear from you at your convenience-this is just to ease your concience). So... 113 posts on the subject of colours. I scanned them quickly to see what was up on the red/green scene. Numbers 23407 and 23435 list every cotton-pickin' reference to green and red (respectively) in the books as we then knew them. Someone needs a hobby. Highly impressive. Others that may be of interest are: 2424, 5565, 14197, 14286, 23481, 25714, 30165, 30167, 30456, 30466, 30489, 32516, 32538, 33143, 33154, 34280, 43033, 43122, 48618, 48931, 58700, 58729, and 59552. Or they may not be what our friend is looking for at all. Ah, well, better this than Yahoomort. Cheers, Ginger PS Stick around for some New Year Cheer. I think we're still celebrating. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Talking of Snape, Anne nobly offered to help with this category, but I wondered if a better idea would be if we all took say, 500 posts each and did a first rough-allocate to pre-determined sub-categories. I have just checked, and in fact there are 'only' about 2600 posts under the general Snape head - it has gone down, through our bold slash and burn policy. Anyway, I will post a suggested structure for the Snape category shortly, and perhaps we can discuss it? Otherwise, I fear he will take someone six months to deal with, and we really can't proceed until he's done.. Thoughts? Carolyn From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 5 02:34:16 2006 From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 02:34:16 -0000 Subject: Out of the blue question... In-Reply-To: <20060104131916.70457.qmail@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Ginger here: > Hi Kelley, now I guess since I am answering this, you don't > owe me that e-mail any more (although I would love to hear > from you at your convenience-this is just to ease your > concience). Hee, thanks! I will reply, I promise! > So... 113 posts on the subject of colours. I scanned them > quickly to see what was up on the red/green scene. Wow, more than I was expecting. > Numbers 23407 and 23435 list every cotton-pickin' reference > to green and red (respectively) in the books as we then knew > them. Someone needs a hobby. Highly impressive. Lol; excellent, she'll like that. > Others that may be of interest are: 2424, 5565, 14197, 14286, > 23481, 25714, 30165, 30167, 30456, 30466, 30489, 32516, 32538, > 33143, 33154, 34280, 43033, 43122, 48618, 48931, 58700, 58729, > and 59552. Oh, perfect, perfect. This is just what I was hoping for, thank you so much, Ginger! > Or they may not be what our friend is looking for at all. Ah, > well, better this than Yahoomort. No, I'm sure this is exactly the sort of thing she's wanting to see. > Cheers, Ginger > PS Stick around for some New Year Cheer. I think we're still > celebrating. Ha, fantastic, I could use some! :-D --Kelley From willsonkmom at msn.com Thu Jan 5 16:37:52 2006 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:37:52 -0000 Subject: Harry category changes/Snape suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > Anyway, I will post a suggested structure for the Snape category > shortly, and perhaps we can discuss it? Otherwise, I fear he will > take someone six months to deal with, and we really can't proceed > until he's done.. > > Thoughts? Kathy W: Other than group dynamics and Snape, what is left? Group dynamics has around 1200 posts, but it's divided into clear sections. With numbers as low as 8 and as high as 360. Ginger and I are working on them, taking one section at a time. With 2600 posts, it doesn't seem right or reasonable for one person to do it. I think dividing it up would work, but we may need some sort of guidelines so that we aren't bumping into each other. Can you sort it so that a reviewer has a batch of posts with full reign on all Snape codes? Or would you divide it up by codes? The former may be a bit disjointed as to the categories, but the latter has several reviewers reading the same post. Either way, I'm game....slow, but game. From annemehr at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 17:17:50 2006 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:17:50 -0000 Subject: Harry category changes/Snape suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > Carolyn: > > Anyway, I will post a suggested structure for the Snape category > > shortly, and perhaps we can discuss it? Otherwise, I fear he will > > take someone six months to deal with, and we really can't proceed > > until he's done.. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Kathy W: > Other than group dynamics and Snape, what is left? Group dynamics has > around 1200 posts, but it's divided into clear sections. With numbers > as low as 8 and as high as 360. Ginger and I are working on them, > taking one section at a time. > > With 2600 posts, it doesn't seem right or reasonable for one person to > do it. I think dividing it up would work, but we may need some sort of > guidelines so that we aren't bumping into each other. Can you sort it > so that a reviewer has a batch of posts with full reign on all Snape > codes? Or would you divide it up by codes? The former may be a bit > disjointed as to the categories, but the latter has several reviewers > reading the same post. > > Either way, I'm game....slow, but game. > Anne: [I ought to have mentioned, I am currently doing the Arabella Figg category (fewer than 200 posts; nice and simple). I did put my name in the database.] Anyway, it's the main Snape category that's the problem. The tentative idea for that would be to assign chunks of it to several people who would then quickly sort them into the relevant subcategories (or decode the obvious misfits). Stage II of the process would then be that people could take a subcategory and review it more carefully -- a much less daunting task than trying to do 2600 at once. Re Harry: Carolyn, when I looked yesterday, there was no category under "Harry's training, protection, powers" for the Occlumency lessons. Is that an oversight, or did you mean to leave it out? If you do put it in, my suggested title, "Occlumency," is of course no good at all, since there will (of course) be a section with that name under "general properties and types of magic" or whatever it's called -- better name the Harry section "Harry's Occlumency lessons" or something like that. Anne From elfundeb at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 19:48:09 2006 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:48:09 -0000 Subject: Harry category changes/Snape suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carolyn: > Anyway, I will post a suggested structure for the Snape category > shortly, and perhaps we can discuss it? Otherwise, I fear he will > take someone six months to deal with, and we really can't proceed > until he's done.. > > Thoughts? Sounds good to me. Kathy W: > Other than group dynamics and Snape, what is left? Debbie: According to the database, here's the complete list of unfinished categories (well, I may have missed one): Unclaimed -- 2.14 Beings (890 posts) 2.15 Beasts (887 posts) 2.16 Spirits (677 posts) 3.1.1 to 3.3.6 WW History/Law/Economics etc. (3.1.1 is done) (1888 posts) 3.8.4 to 3.8.5 Spells, potions, incantations, animagi (1422 posts) Claimed -- 1.2.10 Characterisation (868 posts) (Jen) 1.2.11 Group Dynamics (408) (Kathy W/Ginger) 2.2.2 Arabella Figg (213) (Anne) 2.3.1 Dumbledore (1912) (Boyd) 2.10.1 Voldemort (1881) (Carolyn) 2.10.4 Crouch Jr. (565) (Debbie) 3.8.3 to 3.8.3.1 Magic (1257) (Dot) 3.15 Geographic Locations (365 (Kelly) Plus Snape, of course. Does this look correct? Let's hope all the numbers have been reduced by the ruthless actions of our machetes (though you'd never guess from looking at Crouch, whose numbers have edged up to the 600 range). So how long will that take? ::glances nervously about in case Miss Havisham makes a move toward the whips:: Debbie who is more than half done with young master Barty From kakearney at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 00:27:58 2006 From: kakearney at gmail.com (corinthum) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:27:58 -0000 Subject: Harry category changes/Snape suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debbie: > According to the database, here's the complete list of unfinished > categories (well, I may have missed one): > > Unclaimed -- > 2.14 Beings (890 posts) > 2.15 Beasts (887 posts) > 2.16 Spirits (677 posts) > 3.1.1 to 3.3.6 WW History/Law/Economics etc. (3.1.1 is done) (1888 > posts) > 3.8.4 to 3.8.5 Spells, potions, incantations, animagi (1422 posts) > > Claimed -- > 1.2.10 Characterisation (868 posts) (Jen) > 1.2.11 Group Dynamics (408) (Kathy W/Ginger) > 2.2.2 Arabella Figg (213) (Anne) > 2.3.1 Dumbledore (1912) (Boyd) > 2.10.1 Voldemort (1881) (Carolyn) > 2.10.4 Crouch Jr. (565) (Debbie) > 3.8.3 to 3.8.3.1 Magic (1257) (Dot) > 3.15 Geographic Locations (365 (Kelly) Carolyn, did you implement my coding for 3.15.1, 3.15.2, and 3.15.14 (Geographic Locations: Hogwarts, Diagon Alley, and Leaky Cauldron, repectively)? If not, let me know and I can probably do that next week. And unless someone else grabbed the rest while I was gone, I'll resume the rest of the 3.15 subcategories then as well. -Kelly From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat Jan 7 03:44:27 2006 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:44:27 -0000 Subject: Harry category changes/Snape suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carolyn: > Anyway, I will post a suggested structure for the Snape category > shortly, and perhaps we can discuss it? Otherwise, I fear he will > take someone six months to deal with, and we really can't proceed > until he's done.. > > Thoughts? Jen: Snape! Of course he's the wrench in the plan. I'll help as soon as I finish characterisation. Debbie: > Does this look correct? > > Let's hope all the numbers have been reduced by the ruthless > actions of our machetes (though you'd never guess from looking at > Crouch, whose numbers have edged up to the 600 range). > > So how long will that take? Jen: There are still a couple of humungo categories left--maybe we could split a few others once we get done with Snape? Just an idea for the back burner. I've been slow the past two weeks because of the new job, but feel really committed to working on this project. It seems like every other day I see a post commenting on the 'disastrous Yahoo search engine' and this will be a million times better. I'm getting pumped about the launch now, Anne completing Harry seems like a good omen . Jen, squeeing over Anne posting on main, but lamenting it's during her own posting downswing and wondering if they'll ever sync up again? From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 10:43:22 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:43:22 -0000 Subject: MWPP Message-ID: I finished MWPP, but it was only a slight reduction. It started with 166 posts and ended with 121. Not up to my usual standards, I'm afraid. There was a lot of talk about which house(s) the guys were in. I kept a lot of it even though we now know that they were Gryffs because there was some good insight into the characters. The same holds for parallels between the guys and the trio and/or Neville. Since there were a lot of differing opinions (all of them valid), I was hard pressed to get rid of too much as there wasn't a lot of repitition. On to other things... Am I to understand that Doug is not finishing 3.1.1-3.3.6? If that is the case, then I will take that section. Kathy W- Do you mind finishing up the Group Dynamics? I had thought we were plum out of stuff to do, so I glommed on with you. If that's the case, I'll take that section (it seems he finished 3.1.1, but the rest is undone). But not tonight. I have a headache. And I'm about 400 posts behind on whether or not JKR is a terrible and cheesy author if she doesn't ascribe to the agenda of certain listees. Cheers, Ginger From willsonkmom at msn.com Sat Jan 7 14:08:56 2006 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:08:56 -0000 Subject: MWPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginger: > > On to other things... > > Am I to understand that Doug is not finishing 3.1.1-3.3.6? If that is > the case, then I will take that section. Kathy W- Do you mind > finishing up the Group Dynamics? KW: What? You want me to do my work by myself? G: I had thought we were plum out of > stuff to do, so I glommed on with you. KW: Yes, that's what I thought too. Having you go to another heading would be a good idea. I see that Debbie's list shows group dynamics at 400 or so and I have it at 1200 or so. It's not that high now, since Ginger and I have completed some of the sections. I'm assuming the numbers changed after some other codes were merged, but that all the sections still need reviewing. I think that if we attack Snape as a group...sort of like at HPfGU...we should all attack at once. I assume we'd set our current sections aside to take on Snape, once Carolyn's ready to lead the charge. Are you going to have the whole office take it on or just a commando squad? I start my new job on Monday...full time for two weeks, then back to two days a week. So I'll be slower than usual the next few weeks. I planned to celebrate Snape's birthday by being snarky to everyone...probably not a good idea the first day at work. Kathy W From stevejjen at earthlink.net Sat Jan 7 16:30:40 2006 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 16:30:40 -0000 Subject: MWPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ginger: > But not tonight. I have a headache. And I'm about 400 posts behind on > whether or not JKR is a terrible and cheesy author if she doesn't > ascribe to the agenda of certain listees. Jen: Just think how many posts we'll get to axe as soon as we get to the 140,000's ;). That thought keeps me going when I start grinding my teeth. "Unlimited Power!" Kathy: > I think that if we attack Snape as a group...sort of like at > HPfGU...we should all attack at once. I assume we'd set our current > sections aside to take on Snape, once Carolyn's ready to lead the > charge. Are you going to have the whole office take it on or just a > commando squad? Jen: I didn't realize we'd put aside the others. Well, I'm doing some more of characterisation today and can take a break at any time if that's the plan. Maybe there are some nuggets of wisdom about Snape lost in the archives. Kathy: > I start my new job on Monday...full time for two weeks, then back to > two days a week. So I'll be slower than usual the next few weeks. Jen: What's your new job, btw? I decided to take a break from social work for awhile and started working at our neighborhood library branch. Oddly enough, part of my motivation was this project because I realized how much I like coding, categorizing and organizing! That and the benefits and hours were perfect. Kathy: > I planned to celebrate Snape's birthday by being snarky to > everyone...probably not a good idea the first day at work. Jen: Is JKR going to post a birthday greeting to him? I'm thinking no, just to keep us in suspense. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 20:07:14 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:07:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: MWPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060107200714.86661.qmail@web30214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ginger before: > But not tonight. I have a headache. And I'm about 400 posts behind on > whether or not JKR is a terrible and cheesy author if she doesn't > ascribe to the agenda of certain listees. Jen: Just think how many posts we'll get to axe as soon as we get to the 140,000's ;). That thought keeps me going when I start grinding my teeth. "Unlimited Power!" Ginger now: Yes. Vengence is ours. Oh, to be witty and have Snape's ability to say things smoothly, but with snarkiness. (Is "snarkily" a word?) Kathy: > I think that if we attack Snape as a group...sort of like at > HPfGU...we should all attack at once. I assume we'd set our current > sections aside to take on Snape, once Carolyn's ready to lead the > charge. Are you going to have the whole office take it on or just a > commando squad? Ginger: I'm game for either, but if Carolyn goes commando, I do NOT want to see an update in the photo section. In another post, KW: What? You want me to do my work by myself? Ginger: Fear not, I'll be there for moral support. Ginger, who would love to work in a library, but lacks the ability to be quiet. --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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I allowed myself to be talked out of it. Big mistake! > Jen: Is JKR going to post a birthday greeting to him? I'm thinking no, > just to keep us in suspense. Kathy: At the main list Carol has predicted that there will be no birthday wishes for Snape. I don't know. But if there is, people will think that he is DDM and he'll survive. If there isn't, folk will think whether or not he was DDM, he didn't make it. Harry's still getting wishes isn't he? From annemehr at yahoo.com Sun Jan 8 06:17:02 2006 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 06:17:02 -0000 Subject: MWPP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > Kathy: At the main list Carol has predicted that there will be no > birthday wishes for Snape. I don't know. But if there is, people will > think that he is DDM and he'll survive. If there isn't, folk will > think whether or not he was DDM, he didn't make it. > > Harry's still getting wishes isn't he? > Aren't the birthdays just repeating themselves at this point? In any case, I snagged last year's birthday wish to Snape from Potterskeys, tweaked the year, and put it up in the Hogs_Head, so we have him covered. ;) Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Sun Jan 8 20:57:07 2006 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 20:57:07 -0000 Subject: A Snape Plan Message-ID: What do you all think of the following possible Snape sections and definitions? In suggesting them I have particularly borne in mind the problems that Ginger had with Lupin in sorting out the good/ESE threads, and also the sections that Anne and I came up with for Voldemort and Harry. Do you think we need the following: Snape + Harry Snape + teaching styleSnape as a literary construct/character (this might be for fan response/JKR's ambivalent response to same) Carolyn..wishing it would hurry up and getter lighter in the evenings Severus Snape ? general character studies>>Not related to plot incidents; reviewing what we know of him as a person, including his childhood>>CIST >>Competence Is Snape's Trademark>>DARTH SNAPE >>Dark Angry Resentful Totally Human Severus Normal Angst is Plenty Enough>>SCARF >>Snape Chases Ambitions, Rejects Family>>SISSY COWARD >>Sadistic Immature Severus Snape, Yellow Coward, Offensive with Absolutely Reproachable Demenour>>SNAP >>Snape is Not A Psycho>>SNOT >>Snape the Nasty Odious Twit>>SPACEMAN >>Snape: Perversely Appealing Character, Endearingly Mysterious and Nasty>>THE SHRIEKING SHACK >>Teacher's Hard Exterior Shrouds Heart-Rendered Interior, Even Kindness If Nobody's Gazing: Snape Has a Cute Kitten>> Young Snape & MWPP>> Discussions of Snape at school with James, Sirius, Lupin and Peter including analyses of Shrieking Shack I>>GREY UNDERPANTS >>Ghastly Remembrances Expose Yesteryear Unhappiness, Notable Discomforting Example Reflecting Parental Acrimony, Neglect: Trouserless Severus>>MY BABY LOVES A BUNCH OF AUTHORS>>Miserable Youth! Brought About By Yelling (Lack Of Valentines Suspected), Always Bullied Under Nefarious Castle Headmaster Only Freaky Admirers Understand The Heroics Of Reviled Severus>>SILK SHIRTS >>Snape Is Likeable ? Kinda. Seriously Has Issues Regarding Time in School>>SIRIUS BLACK >>Snape Is Right ? Intelligent Unchecked Students Behave Like Anarchists Causing Killings>> Who is Snape working for?>> Analyses of motives for Snape working for either Voldemort or Dumbledore or both, including possible changes of allegiance, and analyses of Shrieking Shack II and Graveyard rebirth>>George & G\'s SISTER DIANA >>Giving Evil Overlord's Regime Genuine Effort, Severus' Soul Is Severely Troubled Eventually Rendering Defection Indeed a Necessary Act>>GOLD SIEVE >>Great Overlord Lies Dormant: Snape Is Evil, *Very* Evil>>METAMORPHOSIS >>Mere Evil Troubled Awareness, Motivating Our Racked Principled anti-Hero Onward, Seeking Integrity and Solution>>PRESSURE COOKER >>Presented with Remus' Evil Snape's Somewhat Unhinged, Refuses Explanations, Confronts Outrageously Overt Killers, Embarrassment Results>>lace>Prince Georgelace>>>(not an acronym) an amalgamation of Sweet Georgian and Prince of Lies theories relating to Snape's defection from Voldemort>>Prince of Lies >>(not an acronym) Snape left the DE's when he decided V had lied to him about the organisation and Snape's role in it.>>SCRABBLE MATCH >>Snape (Continually & Regularly) is Always Being Blamed, Loathing Erupts More And Then Catches Harry>>SIAMESE CAT >>Snape Is Assuredly Most Ever So Evil. Coming: Another Twist>>SIN >>Snape Is Nice>>SINAS >>Snape Is Not A Spy>>SINE CURVE >>Snape Is Not Evil ? Creative Unknowns Regulate Vicious Exterior>>SING >>Snape Is Not Guilty>>SNAPECLIFF >>Swarthy Nursling Abuses Potter jr. Enraged he Caused Lily's Immolation, will Fester Forever>>SUNLIGHT ULTRA >>Snape Undercover Needs Lupin In Getting Harry To Give Life-debt To Restrict Adversary>>SUCCESS >>Snape ? Unfortunately Concussed ? Couldn't Ensure Stone's Safety>>SWEET GEORGIAN >>Snape Went Evil Expecting To Gloat ? Eyes Open Recanted Gradually Incensed at Nauseating Iniquities and Shocking Morals>>SWEET GEORGIANISM >>Snape Went Evil Expecting To Gloat ? Eyes Open Recanted Gradually Incensed at Nefariousness>>SWEET MARY, JESUS AND JOSEPH! >>Severus Wants Evil Eradicated Totally, but Most Appropriate Result: Young Jerk Stops Undermining Severus' Ambition , Nearly Destroying James' Outstanding Sacrifice to Enable Powerful Harry.>>VAMPISH TRICKSTER >>Voldemort's A Mere Pawn In Snape's Hands. The Really Iniquitous Crime King's Snape ? The Evil Reprobate!>> Snape & love >> All theories about who he may have loved ranging from Lily, through Mrs Norris, Florence, Bellatrix and Narcissa>>ASL! >>Angsted!Snape Lives>>AUTUMN ASTERISK >>An Unauthorised Transfiguration Unites Mrs Norris And Snape, The Eventual Result Is Sassy Kitten>>lace>ELGINlace> MARBLES >>Excitable Love God's Irresponsible Negligence Over Marauder's Affairs Results in Breakups and Love-starved Educators Sorrowing>>KING OF lace>SPAINlace> >>Kin ? Inconsequential, Neverending Grief Over lace>Florencelace>! Snape Proposes Alternate Information Network>>LOLLIPOPS >>Love Of Lily Left Ire Polluting Our Poor Severus>>MERCY & MERCY II>>(not acronyms) Snape is either devoted to the memory of Lily due to love or because of a life-debt to her>>SECOND FLAMINGO >>Snape Eternally Covets Ogleworth Norris' Damsel Form ? Like Argus: Mrs `Inaccessible' Norris Generates Obsesssion!>>SHAM BACHELOR >>Snape Has A Missus ? But Always Conceals Her Existence Lowering Overt Risk>>STUDMUFFIN >>Snape The Ultimate Dreamboat ? Makes Unaccountable Females Favour Immediate Nuptials>>SWAN SONG >>Snape's Wife: A Nagging Shrew Or Nasty Gorgon>>SWINDLED >>Snape's Wife Is Now Dead ? Loosing Eternal Devastation>>WINDOW SILLS >>Why I Never Doubted Our Wiley Snape Is Loving Lily Still>> Vampire/bat animagus!Snape >> Vampire!Snape>>Allegations that Snape is some kind of animagi or half-human creature>>BELA LUGOSI >>Bat ? Ever Loyal And Loving, Understands Guidance, Obeys Severus' Instructions>>LOVE SLAVE >>League of Violently Enamoured Snape/Lily And Vampire Enthusiasts>>SALVE >>Snape As Loyal Vampire Envoy>>SIAMESE VIRUS >>Snape Is Already Mysterious Enough, So Extra Vampiricism Is Rendered Unquestionably Superfluous>>SLAPDASH >>Snape's Life As Part-Dementor: A Sorrowful History>>SUAVE >>Snape: Unquestionably a Vampire Evil>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Before we started work, I'd ask Paul to dump all 2600 post numbers into an Excel file for me, and I'd make the groups of numbers available to people. I'd have to do it that way because as soon as anyone touched any of the posts and deleted the Snape code, it would change the consecutive numbering for everyone else. Does this make any sense?? Kathy: I think that if we attack Snape as a group...sort of like at HPfGU...we should all attack at once. I assume we'd set our current sections aside to take on Snape, once Carolyn's ready to lead the charge. Are you going to have the whole office take it on or just a commando squad? Carolyn: I think we should do that, and also bring in erm, one or two resting members who might just like to rush him when he's down. Lets deal with him as a finale... Kathy W I planned to celebrate Snape's birthday by being snarky to everyone...probably not a good idea the first day at work. Carolyn: Snort! We really have led you hopelessly astray. I feel almost guilty... Ginger: I'm game for either, but if Carolyn goes commando, I do NOT want to see an update in the photo section. Carolyn: I saw that remark. ************* Anne: Re Harry: Carolyn, when I looked yesterday, there was no category under "Harry's training, protection, powers" for the Occlumency lessons. Is that an oversight, or did you mean to leave it out? If you do put it in, my suggested title, "Occlumency," is of course no good at all, since there will (of course) be a section with that name under "general properties and types of magic" or whatever it's called -- better name the Harry section "Harry's Occlumency lessons" or something like that. Carolyn: I'll add that now, sorry I missed it out. ********************* Kelly: Carolyn, did you implement my coding for 3.15.1, 3.15.2, and 3.15.14 (Geographic Locations: Hogwarts, Diagon Alley, and Leaky Cauldron, repectively)? If not, let me know and I can probably do that next week. And unless someone else grabbed the rest while I was gone, I'll resume the rest of the 3.15 subcategories then as well. Carolyn: Yes I did all that; please feel free to pick up the rest of 3.15... ********** Jen: It seems like every other day I see a post commenting on the 'disastrous Yahoo search engine' and this will be a million times better. I'm getting pumped about the launch now, Anne completing Harry seems like a good omen . Carolyn: Tim said he was doing further work on the UI this weekend. Hopefully we will get there. ********** Ginger: Am I to understand that Doug is not finishing 3.1.1-3.3.6? If that is the case, then I will take that section. Kathy W- Do you mind finishing up the Group Dynamics? I had thought we were plum out of stuff to do, so I glommed on with you. If that's the case, I'll take that section (it seems he finished 3.1.1, but the rest is undone). Carolyn: Alas, Doug is one of the drop outs. Please feel free to pick up any of his section - he only did one tiny bit (58 posts) in the end :( From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 00:55:45 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:55:45 -0000 Subject: taking over for Doug Message-ID: I went into the database and changed Doug's name to mine (except for the section he did) and noticed that 3.02.6 is now 1.1.5. Does this mean that someone else has done them and moved it or does it mean that it has been moved, but is still in my section for review? I put my name by it just in case, but I wanted to ask before I went in with the old weed whacker and started shaving too closely for comfort. Ginger, finally caught up on the main list From elfundeb at comcast.net Mon Jan 9 01:19:42 2006 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:19:42 -0000 Subject: taking over for Doug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" wrote: > > I went into the database and changed Doug's name to mine (except for > the section he did) and noticed that 3.02.6 is now 1.1.5. Does this > mean that someone else has done them and moved it or does it mean that > it has been moved, but is still in my section for review? I put my > name by it just in case, but I wanted to ask before I went in with the > old weed whacker and started shaving too closely for comfort. Cross 1.1.5 off your list; they're done. 3.02.6 got merged into what used to be Equality and Fairness; they were all about class and bigotry. 1.1.5 has been well trimmed. Give a holler if you'd like to split Doug's section. The lawyer and former government major in me had an eye on some of the subheadings. Of course, maybe I should stay away from it for exactly that reason. ;) OTOH, I could stick with the bigotry theme and take on the Beings > Ginger, finally caught up on the main list Debbie, who keeps up with the main list by avoiding certain topics altogether From quigonginger at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 01:50:50 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:50:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: taking over for Doug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060109015050.91704.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Deb: Cross 1.1.5 off your list; they're done. 3.02.6 got merged into what used to be Equality and Fairness; they were all about class and bigotry. 1.1.5 has been well trimmed. Give a holler if you'd like to split Doug's section. The lawyer and former government major in me had an eye on some of the subheadings. Of course, maybe I should stay away from it for exactly that reason. ;) OTOH, I could stick with the bigotry theme and take on the Beings. Ginger: Thanks for the reply. I'll cross it off my list. Beings looks like a big one. Perhaps you'd be well off with that one. If I have any legal queries, I'll send them your way. (No retainer needed for catalogue work, right?) Ginger, who didn't know that elfy-type people *could* skip posts. --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kking0731 at gmail.com Mon Jan 9 03:24:01 2006 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (snow15145) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:24:01 -0000 Subject: James and Lily categories, final statistics Message-ID: Sorry that this has been a long time coming! I never posted my final findings on James and Lily, so without further ado: LILY 2.2.8 519 posts initially, now 242 ******************************** 2.2.8.1 FOUL SLAVERY (Females Offer Unlimited Levity: Save Lily And Voldemort Eagerly Rewards You!) One post in this category that could be blended into 2.2.8.2 ********************************* 2.2.8.2 Too EWW & variants (not really an acronym) Inish Alley does not carry a simplified definition of the theory so I'll try to sum it up This acronym was somewhat spawned from the Lollipops theory and grew to various degrees of EWW. The TEWW EWW starts off with Voldemort rewarding Snape by killing James and Harry and placing Lily under Imperious. The acronym evolves to the Even EWWWer theory that Voldemort wanted Lily for himself for strategic purposes that involved Lily bearing his son. But the worst-case scenario was Voldemort saving Lily for himself for lustful purposes, which was aptly named sooo EWWer its in the SEWERrrrrrr. 22 posts initially now 15 due to mere mention of the acronym *************************************** 2.2.8.3 MAKE ME BARF (Lily was spared for Pettigrew "Monstrous Activity: Keeping Evil Men Entertained By Allocating Rescued Females") This category only has 2 posts both of which could also be melted into 2.2.8.2 or Peter-Gets-The-Girl *************************************** 2.2.8.4 AGGIE No posts yet and I couldn't find an acronym meaning at Inish Alley *************************************** 2.2.8.5 SOPPY CHARM (Sacrifice of Purity. Perfect? Yes. Contrived? Hardly a Reasoned Move) Two posts that basically ponder whether Lily's sacrifice was nothing more than pure love but by way of a charm. __________________________________________________________ JAMES 2.2.7 This category started with 399 posts its now 254 *********************************** 2.2.7.1 JOBS SUCK, BUT HOW ELSE ("James Once Befriended Snape; Snape's Unfortunate Curiousity Killed Buddiness Until Tournament because Harry Overcame Wrath. Evil Lupin Simply Erroneous and Dumbledore's Overarching Eternal Scheme Ought Not Engineer Losing Innocence to Voldemort's Extinction.") One post with this acronym and I doubt it will see any more. ************************************ 2.2.7.2 UP JAB (SIC) (Ugly Potter James Awful Bully (Snapes Innocence Crucified) No posts yet! *********************************** 2.2.7.3 (SHH) JAM TAKES BIBS (Squib Harry Hated) James Allowed Marvolo To Avada Kedavra Evans's Son But It Backfired Severely) No posts yet! __________________________________________________________ Quite a few of the posts were removed from the categories due to mere mention of the character. There were 70 posts that were rejected because they added nothing new or were repetitive views of theories that had gone out the window. I did keep at least one of the posts from each theory whether or not it could still be feasible i.e. Voldemort was Lily's father. Some posts, usually short ones, got the axe because they were reiterated in the next post and didn't affect any other categories. I removed James and Lily from posts that were also under Godric's Hollow/Death of James and Lily; as we agreed back in July that it was not necessary to have all three ticked when the post reflected the night the Potter's died. I would still recommend that a new subcategory be formed for Lily and her many lovers, including the LOLLIPOPS of her heart, to capture all these types of posts in one area. There are only 53 to date but we haven't even started OOP, I'm positive there will be many more. Then again we could use the Too EWW & variants category to encompass all the little devils that supposedly loved Lily. I believe it would be an advantage to have them neatly in one folder instead of helter skelter under the main heading. I would also like to reiterate my initial proposal to move Lily's sacrifice under Lily. Its more user friendly I would think, since they are posts that concern Lily, a user would expect to find them under her main heading. KathySnow P.S. Carolyn, I don't know how important it is but I checked the Current Categories that you downloaded to the Files section in September, Group 49, and noticed that 2.02.8.5 which should be SOPPY CHARM is missing. From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 08:18:03 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 08:18:03 -0000 Subject: New Year catch up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Miss H is working late, trying to get her in-tray to managable size before re-entering RL tomorrow. Carefully, she peels apart a stack of parchment stuck together with the remains of what look like squashed insects. Yurrk: >Dot (who might be persuaded to relax the copyright demands of that >silly hat photo, in exchange for one of Miss H with a kneazle or two and a pretty Christmas hat at an amusingly rakish angle...) C: Well, you got one of me in Virginia Woolf mode, so what are we waiting for Dr Dung? (She looks like the mad Hatter, very funny). Dot, having returned from an extended Christmas break (that had far too much work in it for her satisfaction) to find more exploding transistors and server problems, finally gets back online. She paces around the catalogue office, sarcastically weighing up imaginary handfuls of photograph. "Hmm... Virginia Woolf, amusing hat, Virginia Woolf, amusing hat..." She turns round abruptly and sits down in a huff. "It's hardly a fair trade!" She glares at the floor and mutters, "Should have scoffed all those chocolates myself." She calms down a bit, pulls a crumpled photo out of a pocket and shakes her head, mournfully. "Academic gowns and Holbeinesque chapeaux - it's not normal." She gets up and looks at the notice board; Miss's picture seems much more autochthonous ? there're even books in the background. Dot swallows her pride, and prepares to chicken out, producing another photograph from a pocket and scribbling on the back "I thought I'd post a photo of how I spent Christmas instead. Much more sensible headgear, I'm sure you'll agree. This was taken about 30 seconds before I got the seventh and most painful tsetse bite. I found some interesting weevils." She pins it to the notice board and scurries out before anyone notices, trying to suppress the suspicion that Miss has sent the silly hat jpeg to everyone off-list anyway. Will get back to catalogue stuff this coming weekend, promise, am frantically writing emails in bad French for a research proposal due in on Friday. Should have gone to Ghana. From arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com Mon Jan 9 10:13:03 2006 From: arrowsmithbt at btconnect.com (Barry Arrowsmith) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:13:03 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] James and Lily categories, final statistics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > *************************************** > > 2.2.8.4 AGGIE > > No posts yet and I couldn't find an acronym meaning at Inish Alley > > *************************************** Unlurking momentarily. AGGIE isn't an acronym, though it is a theory - of sorts. It's a reverse LOLLIPOPS swipe at the incurably romantic, A nod to St Agnes, who rejected all suitors, and in this instance it's Snape who does the rejecting. Doesn't appear until 77800, which is after the cut-off point (I think). Kneasy From talisman22457 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 21:40:39 2006 From: talisman22457 at yahoo.com (Talisman) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:40:39 -0000 Subject: Snape Plan (was AOB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: >Kathy: >I think that if we attack Snape as a group...sort of like at >HPfGU...we should all attack at once. I assume we'd set our current >sections aside to take on Snape, once Carolyn's ready to lead the >charge. Are you going to have the whole office take it on or just a >commando squad? >Carolyn: >I think we should do that, and also bring in erm, one or two resting >members who might just like to rush him when he's down. Lets deal >with him as a finale... Talisman reporting for, um, duty. (I don't mean to be looking at you all sideways, but as Carolyn's got me by the ear...) Ah, yes. Snape as a finale. Seems to be Rowlings' plan, too. :) Though not so much the rushing part. Because I was asked (not because I think I have any business coming in and shooting off opinions) I'll add my thoughts on the plan. When I was initially considering the problem, I felt that it would be desirable to sort Snape posts as either Pro or Anti, no matter which other categories were involved. Snape is the controversy lightning-rod of the series, and one's *camp* tends to color whatever else is being discussed. Usually I don't like two-box decision trees, but there is the matter of expediency, and even posters who are on-the-fence tend to come down on one side or the other (e.g. *He may turn out to be working for the Order, BUT I can't excuse his behavior, etc. etc.*) Pro/Anti is a bit different than Voldie/DD. Some people think Snape rocks even if he turns out to be LV's man; others think he stinks even if he's going to kill the Dark Lord wth his bare hands. I think this slant follows through the other categories. The character assasination, I mean analysis, section will reek of it. Assumptions and interpretations of what we know of his early days will be slanted toward whichever side the poster is trying to reach. I don't know how others feel, but I can well imagine wanting to pull up posts that examine issues without the Anti-Snape lens. Others may want to research an enormous hate-fest without any apologists to bat out of the way. Or, conversely, we may want to review only the opposing side's arguments on an issue, when, armed with new canon, we set out to methodically rebut them all. tee hee. In any event, I thought it would be a useful management tool for the researcher. In the *For Whom is Snape Working* aka *Whose Man?* category, we probably want to include the *Out for Himself* crowd. No different category, just a refined definition. Also, we know that Snape was both loved and loving. Maybe the *Who He Loved* category could be expanded to handle posts going either way. Or, just call it *Snape and Love.* Alternatively, there should be a category for each possibility (lover/lovee) By the way-- are we SURE all these feelings are past tense? Otherwise I'm assuming that the plan expects Snape-related plot incidents to be covered by existing *significant scenes* divisions in the list. This may not be the case. IIRC, posts are not supposed to be coded to the character name, but there are many scenes which have spurred particular analysis of Snape's actions in specific incidents. E.g. what was *really going on* in the first potions class, Cos dueling scene, scene on the stairs in GOF, etc. (Sorry, I can't recall the codes by heart and I haven't tried re- entering the catalogue since Paul changed servers. I'll have to do more work to see if I can review it for more specific suggestions. You may have already established protocols for such situations, like coding to the chapter/ book in question (though that may often require both the coder and the end-user to figure out for themselves which chapters of which books apply, before they can code or retrieve.) I have blissfully forgotten the details of how things work. :P Though I see now that I may be in for a refresher course. The bottom line is, you may want to review the extant *significant scenes* codes with specific thought to Snape, to see if others are necessary. Obviously, if coders find threads that don't seem to have a good home, you can always create new Snape scene-related codes along the way. IIRC, there is an established code for teachers that would cover all the Snape-is-a-horible-teacher rants. I'm sure Anne is all over posts related to Harry's POV/relationship with Snape. Why DD trusts him can probably fit into the Whose Man? category. Spying is already covered. Why Snape and Sirius REALLY loathe each other fits into Young Snape. (Hint, it's not the Prank.) So... Finally, overall, I agree with Carolyn's plan to pass out chunks and enjoy a mass attack. Pro/Anti Character Analysis Whose Man? Young Snape Snape and Love Vampire/BatAnimagus TBAYS Significant Scenes Seems like a good start, anyway. Talisman. Game for a share of 500 posts. (Rubs ear to get blood back.) Heck, for some of you it's just a warm-up! From willsonkmom at msn.com Wed Jan 11 00:31:38 2006 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:31:38 -0000 Subject: My New Job (OT) Message-ID: My new job is a lot--and I really mean this---a lot like the catalogue work. Only a bit more complicated and there are a lot more screens. Instead of reading posts, I have to talk to people. I get my very own cublicle!!! And I do not want to hear from anyone who actually has an office with or without a window. Oh, I have a window too! But get this, because my family won't. The cublcle next to mine is decorated in a kitty-cat throw and lots of cute kitten pictures. If the nurse who lives there is short and dumpy and wears an Alice band, I'll be useless. Potioncat, RN From kking0731 at gmail.com Wed Jan 11 01:32:32 2006 From: kking0731 at gmail.com (Kathy King) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:32:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] My New Job (OT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The original email contained an attachment of type "text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. -------------- next part -------------- The original email contained an attachment of type "text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252" but we could not retrieve it via the Yahoo Groups API. From stevejjen at earthlink.net Wed Jan 11 04:14:38 2006 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:14:38 -0000 Subject: My New Job (OT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" wrote: > > My new job is a lot--and I really mean this---a lot like the catalogue > work. Only a bit more complicated and there are a lot more screens. > Instead of reading posts, I have to talk to people. > > I get my very own cublicle!!! And I do not want to hear from anyone who > actually has an office with or without a window. Oh, I have a window > too! Jen: You have a cubicle, no fair! I have a little shelf to put my purse and my 'office' is the entire library where anyone can stop me and ask me *questions*. The only place I'm alone is the bathroom. But at least I don't have kitty pictures next to me. Hope Snow!Kathy is right and there's only one Umbridge act-alike out there for your sake. Jen, kidding and hoping Potioncat!Kathy is having an awesome time at her new job and enjoying conversations with real, live adults instead of teenagers. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 12:51:57 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:51:57 -0000 Subject: barnyard Quidditch Message-ID: Since there's been no activity in the last week, allow me to break the monotony by sharing a dream I had last night. I should preface this by saying that I have one of those colds which makes one unable to sleep for any reasonable length of time, and have been quite tired. I should also state that coming from a rural area, I am well aware that the various animals in this dream did not act according to their relative natures and abilities in real life. No actual animals were harmed in this dream. I dreampt that Carolyn signed us up for a barnyard Quidditch league. We went to our first practice and began our training. Carolyn explained that, as Seeker, it was her job to catch golden eggs laid in mid-air by flying golden chickens without letting them hit the ground. (The eggs, that is- the chickens were highly capable of fending for themselves.) We were riding horses (standing on their backs, circus-style). I had a lovely Palimino; Dot favoured a zebra. I have no idea what they did for a Quaffle or for goals as I was obviously a Beater and spent my time fending off giant mud-dripping swine who would leap at the riders with the intent of knocking us off our horses. Back to reviewing, Ginger, who needs more cold meds and a nap From willsonkmom at msn.com Mon Jan 23 03:12:57 2006 From: willsonkmom at msn.com (potioncat) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:12:57 -0000 Subject: barnyard Quidditch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Since there's been no activity in the last week, allow me to break > the monotony by sharing a dream I had last night. > > I should preface this by saying that I have one of those colds which > makes one unable to sleep for any reasonable length of time, and have > been quite tired. >snip > Back to reviewing, > Ginger, who needs more cold meds and a nap Kathy W: Trust me on this one, after that dream, you do not need "more" cold meds. But I would suggest that you take a nap and when you wake up, take another one. Then go to bed. You'll all be pleased to hear that kitten-cubicle lady is nothing like Umbridge. She does appear to buy her clothes at Diagon Alley, however. She did warn us that one supervisor comes slithering around checking that we locked our computers.....hmmmm. We had one workshop teacher who looked so much like a possible Canon- Young!Snape that I almost burst out laughing. He was even snarky! But no matter how sinister you may look and act, it's hard to intimidate a room full of women who are all old enough to be your mother. Even if you are teaching how to multi-task on a computer. The more I get out, the more I realise how badly I needed to get out. As for my real job...erm...Weasleys are coming along. Yes indeed. Miss Havisham sighs. Perhaps allowing the catalogue staff to moonlight wasn't such a good idea. Kathy W From kakearney at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 03:19:52 2006 From: kakearney at gmail.com (corinthum) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:19:52 -0000 Subject: Let me in! Message-ID: Knock, knock... Hey, I hear voices in there finally... can someone please let me in? My old key doesn't seem to be working. Paul, could you add my new IP to the access list? Info below. Also, I have the catalogue bookmarked at 67.174.174.185:443; is this still its location? Thanks, Kelly Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Lindale Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-1F-12-B2-18 Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 2: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Wireless-G Notebook Adapter with SpeedBooster Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-12-17-35-63-64 Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100 Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 71.15.32.8 24.196.223.8 24.196.215.8 From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Tue Jan 24 15:06:09 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:06:09 -0000 Subject: 3.8.1 Magical Ability Message-ID: Having been confined to the house most of last week while government- supporting youths displayed their love of C?te d'Ivoire by hurling Molotov cocktails at the UN, I have spent a higher-than-usual (and most profitable) amount of time on the internet. Under alarmingly surreal circumstances (read: influence of intoxicant[s]) I stumbled across http://www.beedogs.com, and had to go offline for a bit to recover. But I did finish going through Magical Ability. Now, the content of this category bears almost no relation to the definition. I've made some changes, but not all of them, because I want some advice on whether we need new categories, and whether some posts can be chucked into already-existing categories. This is how it currently stands: Of 367 posts... 138 shouldn't have been in this category for one reason or another (mostly because they should be in WW genetics or barely mentioned magical ability at all, e.g. the Philip Nel question on class), and have been (or rather, are being) uncoded. 8 of these were assigned to no other category and will therefore rejected as `adds nothing new' (I checked they really did add nothing new). Leaving 229, of which: 106 refer to the magical ability of specific characters Harry: 33 ? all of which will be uncoded since they're already under Harry's protection/ training/ powers. (Those that aren't coded there I'll just uncode, since I assume Anne doesn't want me chucking posts back in that she's chucked out). Dumbledore: 5 ? to be uncoded since they're already under DD's abilities. The DE's (Peter Pettigrew, Barty Crouch Jnr et al): 10 Hagrid: 5 Ron: 4 Neville: 15 Fleur: 1 Sirius: 3 Lockhart: 1 Lupin: 1 Snape: 1 Fudge: 1 Draco: 6 The Weasley family: 2 Voldemort/Tom Riddle: 15 Multiple characters: 3 I reckon all discussions of a character's magical ability should stay with the character, (DD and Harry already have their own codes for that), and indeed dimly remember Miss saying something along those lines when I started the review an embarrassingly long time ago. And the same would go for house elves and centaurs. Since the multiple character comparisons of magical ability can't (or shouldn't) be coded to all characters, I'll leave them in here for now, unless anyone has a better suggestion.) Continuing: - 8 refer to the identity of the muggle/squib who will exhibit magical ability late in life (do we need a code for this? There aren't many posts yet, but it's a recurring topic.) - 9 on how important Magical power is in casting/resisting unforgivables (should I put them under unforgivables?) - 11 refer to house elves' magical ability (I'd keep them with house elves) - 1 refers to Centaurs' magical ability (to stay with centaurs) - 9 on the powers Voldy transferred to Harry at GH (is there a convenient code for this? I can't find one that isn't very general.) - 32 on whether muggles/squibs can make potions, what are the differences between wizards and muggles, can muggles use magical objects (broomsticks etc). The 32 posts on whether muggles/squibs can make potions, can muggles use magical objects (broomsticks etc), and what are the differences (genotype/phenotype) between wizards and muggles: I'd like to put them (some may already be coded there) into WW lifespans, genetics and population estimates. I don't think anyone's reviewed it yet ? is that right? There really are an awful lot of posts resulting from JKR's foolish comment about the magical gene being dominant, since it gives the impression that she might know what she's talking about, so the lucky reviewer may decide to split the category further. Yes/no? 14 posts I've filed under `Misc', since they don't seem to fit in this category, but it's not immediately obvious where they should be. I need to spend a bit longer musing over the much-changed category list, I think. The remaining 53 posts, are actually about "what magical ability is, how it manifests itself, and how wizards use it to make things happen," which is the definition in the catalogue. Dot Ginger ? your dreams are *priceless*. From annemehr at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 20:53:03 2006 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:53:03 -0000 Subject: Let me in! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" wrote: > Also, I have the catalogue bookmarked at 67.174.174.185:443; is this > still its location? Hi, Kelly! The catalogue has a new address. Try this: http://catalog.hpfgu.org:443/ Although, come to think of it, your ISP must be new in your new place, so it probably still won't work... Anne From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Jan 24 22:33:02 2006 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:33:02 -0000 Subject: Let me in! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" > wrote: > > > Also, I have the catalogue bookmarked at 67.174.174.185:443; is this > > still its location? > > Hi, Kelly! > > The catalogue has a new address. Try this: > > http://catalog.hpfgu.org:443/ > > Although, come to think of it, your ISP must be new in your new place, > so it probably still won't work... > > Anne > Ah, thanks Anne, beat me to it. The new location doesn't have a firewall, but the same user name and password are required - email me if you have forgotten them. Welcome back! Carolyn Who also enjoys Ginger's absurd dreams. From carolynwhite2 at aol.com Tue Jan 24 22:46:03 2006 From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:46:03 -0000 Subject: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" wrote: > > Having been confined to the house most of last week while government- > supporting youths displayed their love of C?te d'Ivoire by hurling > Molotov cocktails at the UN, I have spent a higher-than-usual (and > most profitable) amount of time on the internet. Under alarmingly > surreal circumstances (read: influence of intoxicant[s]) I stumbled > across http://www.beedogs.com, and had to go offline for a bit to > recover. Alas, your link did not work, but am alarmed for your safety..should you really stay out there??? [Loved the intrepid swamp pic by the way..]. > > 138 shouldn't have been in this category for one reason or another > (mostly because they should be in WW genetics or barely mentioned > magical ability at all, e.g. the Philip Nel question on class), and > have been (or rather, are being) uncoded. > 8 of these were assigned to no other category and will therefore > rejected as `adds nothing new' (I checked they really did add > nothing new). Yep, totally agree with decisions here. > > Leaving 229, of which: > > 106 refer to the magical ability of specific characters > I reckon all discussions of a character's magical ability should > stay with the character, Yes - so do I. Since the > multiple character comparisons of magical ability can't (or > shouldn't) be coded to all characters, I'll leave them in here for > now, unless anyone has a better suggestion.) This seems legit. > > Continuing: > - 8 refer to the identity of the muggle/squib who will exhibit > magical ability late in life (do we need a code for this? There > aren't many posts yet, but it's a recurring topic.) Shall we add something like 'Latent magical ability' under squibs? > - 9 on how important Magical power is in casting/resisting > unforgivables (should I put them under unforgivables?) I think I would cross-code in both places. > - 11 refer to house elves' magical ability (I'd keep them with house > elves) > - 1 refers to Centaurs' magical ability (to stay with centaurs) Yes, on same principle as characters. > - 9 on the powers Voldy transferred to Harry at GH (is there a > convenient code for this? I can't find one that isn't very general.) Anne has one: 2.5.1.5 > > The 32 posts on whether muggles/squibs can make potions, can muggles > use magical objects (broomsticks etc), and what are the differences > (genotype/phenotype) between wizards and muggles: I'd like to put > them (some may already be coded there) into WW lifespans, genetics > and population estimates. I don't think anyone's reviewed it yet ? > is that right? There really are an awful lot of posts resulting from > JKR's foolish comment about the magical gene being dominant, since > it gives the impression that she might know what she's talking > about, so the lucky reviewer may decide to split the category > further. Yes/no? I rather think Ginger is taking a look at that section. Maybe she has a comment on this? > > 14 posts I've filed under `Misc', since they don't seem to fit in > this category, but it's not immediately obvious where they should be. > I need to spend a bit longer musing over the much-changed category > list, I think. > > The remaining 53 posts, are actually about "what magical ability is, > how it manifests itself, and how wizards use it to make things > happen," which is the definition in the catalogue. > Sounds a brilliant bit of analysis to me. Many thanks! Carolyn From annemehr at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 01:18:41 2006 From: annemehr at yahoo.com (annemehr) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:18:41 -0000 Subject: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "carolynwhite2" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" > wrote: > > > > - 9 on the powers Voldy transferred to Harry at GH (is there a > > convenient code for this? I can't find one that isn't very general.) > > Anne has one: 2.5.1.5 Anne says: if those 9 posts have my name as the reviewer, it means I already rejected them. If not, stick 'em in where Carolyn says. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 13:02:25 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:02:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060125130225.82950.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dot: > The 32 posts on whether muggles/squibs can make potions, can muggles > use magical objects (broomsticks etc), and what are the differences > (genotype/phenotype) between wizards and muggles: I'd like to put > them (some may already be coded there) into WW lifespans, genetics > and population estimates. I don't think anyone's reviewed it yet > is that right? There really are an awful lot of posts resulting from > JKR's foolish comment about the magical gene being dominant, since > it gives the impression that she might know what she's talking > about, so the lucky reviewer may decide to split the category > further. Yes/no? Carolyn: I rather think Ginger is taking a look at that section. Maybe she has a comment on this? Ginger: Correct as usual, Your Leaderness. I have finished it and believe me, any (and I mean ANY) posts that are not in that category right now have been banished by a strong charm. That category was a fright. (Was 206, now 134.) Many posts were over my head, so I kept those that didn't repeat what someone else had said. Ginger, off the cold meds at last. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 19:55:16 2006 From: spotthedungbeetle at hotmail.com (dungrollin) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:55:16 -0000 Subject: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: <20060125130225.82950.qmail@web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "dungrollin" wrote: > > Having been confined to the house most of last week while government- > supporting youths displayed their love of C?te d'Ivoire by hurling > Molotov cocktails at the UN, I have spent a higher-than-usual (and > most profitable) amount of time on the internet. Under alarmingly > surreal circumstances (read: influence of intoxicant[s]) I stumbled > across http://www.beedogs.com, and had to go offline for a bit to > recover. Carolyn: Alas, your link did not work, but am alarmed for your safety..should you really stay out there??? [Loved the intrepid swamp pic by the way..]. Dot: Damn and blast! It should be http://www.beedogs.com with no bleedin' comma. Don't let it disturb you too much ? once you've read the mission statement, you might prefer not to look at the pictures. Should I stay here? That's the 64 million CFA question. I *think* I'm safe... sort of. I'm pretty sure that where I live is fine ? we're miles away from potential hotspots in town. Admittedly, I did get a phone call from the ex-UK embassy wardens last week saying that the FCO travel advice for C?te d'Ivoire has been upgraded to "get out while you still can." And I've just had another call today, asking whether if the US evacuated, I would like to go too. But while last week's rioting was going on, all I could hear was birdsong, so it's kind of difficult to panic. I think I'll put aside a bottle of fine wine and a violin to keep me occupied while I watch Abidjan burn across the lagoon. > Continuing: > - 8 refer to the identity of the muggle/squib who will exhibit > magical ability late in life (do we need a code for this? There > aren't many posts yet, but it's a recurring topic.) Carolyn: Shall we add something like 'Latent magical ability' under squibs? Dot: Yeah, that's a good idea, though I'd keep it under magical ability, because it's not certain the person in question is a squib rather than a muggle. I'll go back and have a look through squibs too, because I'm sure there are more posts in there. Dot before: > - 9 on the powers Voldy transferred to Harry at GH (is there a > convenient code for this? I can't find one that isn't very general.) Carolyn then: Anne has one: 2.5.1.5 Anne: if those 9 posts have my name as the reviewer, it means I already rejected them. If not, stick 'em in where Carolyn says. Dot now: Ok, done. Dot wanted to put The 32 posts on whether muggles/squibs can make potions, can muggles use magical objects (broomsticks etc), and what are the differences (genotype/phenotype) between wizards and muggles... into WW genetics, but... Ginger: Correct as usual, your Leaderness. I have finished it and believe me, any (and I mean ANY) posts that are not in that category right now have been banished by a strong charm. That category was a fright. (Was 206, now 134.) Many posts were over my head, so I kept those that didn't repeat what someone else had said. Dot again: Okay, so what should I do with them? I can leave them in magical ability, but they don't quite fit with the other posts, and they don't fit the definition terrifically well either. They make a relatively homogenous group ? my notes tell me there's also some stuff about how magic originated, and whether kwikspell courses would work for squibs/muggles. Do we need another new code under magical ability for this? "Wizard/Muggle/Squib differences" perhaps. Dot Ginger ? get back on those meds, I want a daily digest of your dreams. From quigonginger at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 12:37:41 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 04:37:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060126123741.4453.qmail@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dot again: Okay, so what should I do with them? Ginger again: Actually, I was only referring to the posts on genetics when I said don't put them there. I'd bet you a cookie that I rejected them as redundant. You could scan through the genetics section to see if that sort of thing has been covered, otherwise if it hasn't, then send me a list of post numbers and I'll see if they actually add anything new to the category. Ginger, off meds, but still not able to smoke. Pooey. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevejjen at earthlink.net Thu Jan 26 16:19:13 2006 From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:19:13 -0000 Subject: 3.8.1 Magical Ability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Dot: > Damn and blast! It should be http://www.beedogs.com with no > bleedin' comma. Don't let it disturb you too much ? once you've > read the mission statement, you might prefer not to look at the > pictures. Jen: Dogs dressed as bees....but why?!? Those pics did crack me up though and made me feel like my hobbies aren't *that* weird. We even considered dressing up our doggie as Darth Vader for Halloween so who am I to judge? > Should I stay here? That's the 64 million CFA question. I *think* > I'm safe... sort of. I'm pretty sure that where I live is fine ? > we're miles away from potential hotspots in town. Admittedly, I did > get a phone call from the ex-UK embassy wardens last week saying > that the FCO travel advice for C?te d'Ivoire has been upgraded > to "get out while you still can." And I've just had another call > today, asking whether if the US evacuated, I would like to go too. > But while last week's rioting was going on, all I could hear was > birdsong, so it's kind of difficult to panic. I think I'll put > aside a bottle of fine wine and a violin to keep me occupied while > I watch Abidjan burn across the lagoon. Jen: Yikes Dot, I don't want to read about you in People. Does the 'risk make it fun'? : ) And if the birdsong turns into gunfire will you still have a chance to leave? Take care of yourself! Sorry, can't add much on the magical ability but it sounds like you did a very thorough job. I'm going to have some Q.'s for the group about the Characterisation category, 'bout halfway through now. Jen, with no excitement to report. None, nada, zilch. From elfundeb at comcast.net Sun Jan 29 11:42:33 2006 From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:42:33 -0000 Subject: Crouch & Goblins & Trolls (and Barnyard Quidditch!) Message-ID: Ah! Catalog activity! The last time I popped by everyone was off moonlighting except poor Ginger, who was nearly passed out from her meds and mumbling something delightfully incoherent about palomino ponies and golden eggs. After making sure the horse blanket wasn't slipping off, I tiptoed away so quickly I forgot to deliver the Crouch Jr. Report (2.10.4). So here it is: Was: 589 Now: 333 Plus two acronyms (FORLORN BARTEMIUS and BABEMEISTER), unchanged at 1 and 2 posts, respectively It's fair to say that we don't need any more posts on why Crouch taught Harry to resist the Imperius Curse. I did my best to cull down the others, too, but there was a surprising variety of angles to examine Crouch from, and Elkins used them all. Goblins (2.14.3): I peeked into the Beings category I signed up for (all 997 of them) and took a preliminary look at the Goblins. Since there were only 37 posts, I also peeked at 3.2.4 (Money and Banking; Gringotts; taxes) and I suspect there's quite a bit of overlap. I can't recall if that category has been done yet (I think not) but I propose to move the posts relating to "why did the WW put the Goblins in charge of the money?" posts over to 3.2.4 unless they also touch on some questions relating to Goblins' abilities, natures, etc. Sound good? And I'd be willing to offer to do 3.2.4 as well, if it's not done, for consistency. (There's also the subsidiary benefit of being able to read the posts on taxes. ) Trolls (2.14.8): Ahem! According to Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, in 1811 Grogan Stump, the newly appointed MoM, decreed that to be a "being" sufficient intelligence was needed to understand the laws of the magical community. "Troll representatives were questioned in the absence of goblins and judged not to understand anything that was being said to them; they were therefore classified as "beasts" despite their two-legged gait." I therefore petition to remove 2.14.8 to the "beasts" category. However, to relieve any added burden on the Beasts reviewer, I reviewed this category first (all 3 posts!) and reduced them to 1 post. Can you tell I'm putting off attacking the house elves (750 of the 997 beings posts) as long as possible? Debbie sending Ginger more meds so she can continue to entertain us From quigonginger at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 13:41:34 2006 From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (Ginger) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:41:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Crouch & Goblins & Trolls (and Barnyard Quidditch!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060129134134.69472.qmail@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Deb wrote: Goblins (2.14.3): I peeked into the Beings category I signed up for (all 997 of them) and took a preliminary look at the Goblins. Since there were only 37 posts, I also peeked at 3.2.4 (Money and Banking; Gringotts; taxes) and I suspect there's quite a bit of overlap. I can't recall if that category has been done yet (I think not) but I propose to move the posts relating to "why did the WW put the Goblins in charge of the money?" posts over to 3.2.4 unless they also touch on some questions relating to Goblins' abilities, natures, etc. Sound good? Ginger says: Funnily enough, I reviewed that category just this last week. I had just finished the 3.2.1 category and figured since they were related I'd just go on to that since I have that section. I remember cutting several posts that were also coded to goblins. 3.2.4 was 228 and is now 137. I consider myself done with it. If you want to check it out and add things that aren't in there, go ahead. Everything I cut about Gringotts was cut due to repetition, so anything you don't see there and want to add is "something new". While we're at it, can we add hags, warlocks, wizards, witches, enchantresses, sorcerors and a few other things to the subject line? No? Drat. Well, I'll add them here. I reviewed 3.2.5 (titles, awards, whatever) and noticed that a lot of the posts looked familiar. Then I realized that DD has a lot of titles and that Warlock, Mugwump and Wizard are among them. Having reviewed the category of "differences between warlocks, wizards, etc." (now 12, was 137 million), I found that a lot of those posts actually do fit in both categories. I culled greatly in 3.2.5, and just kept those that talked about how these apply to DD and his titles, plus a couple of interesting (?) posts giving definitions. I propose we henceforth make ourselves aware of the existance of both categories and resolve to choose one or the other when coding. Save the ones about DD for 3.2.5, and those that are just definitions for the other. Groovy? I keep starting 3.1.2 (history) and either keep everything, or mark everything for rejection and stop before actually removing anything. I read the definitions and conversation from 3.1.1, which Doug did, but I'm not sure if I have a head for that set of posts. My biggest problem is deciding if they are on topic or not. There are 77 of them. Any one a major history buff? If not, I'll leave them til last and dive in. If anyone wants them, let me know. Ginger, off meds, no new dreams, and not doing anything exciting. --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: