From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 11:22:19 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:22:19 -0000
Subject: an encouraging note
Message-ID: <edbphb+so9c@eGroups.com>

I just signed up for the 14th section of Snape- which means that we are 
about half done!

Go team!  Rah, rah, rah!  (or as they said in Ancient Egypt:  Ra, Ra, 
Ra!)

Ginger, whose dad coaches football, and his team ACTUALLY WON A GAME 
tonight!  First one in almost 2 years!






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  3 17:20:28 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:20:28 -0000
Subject: Characterisation--WOO HOO!!
Message-ID: <edf2ss+su7s@eGroups.com>

I know, you thought I was the One Who Left Forever Right? Or perhaps 
Too Cowardly to Return, hehe. Nope, just had a rough summer getting 
over that dumb nerve problem in my arms and a few computer problems 
on the side, although none so complicated as Miss H's. 

*Pauses to wonder if the daring penguin solved the tech problems or 
if the silence from Miss is a Very Bad Sign*.

Anyhoo, yes, Characterisation is **finally** complete. Here's a wrap-
up and a Q for the group:

Characterisation 45 down from 53
Originality and Stereotypes 199 down from 517
PACMAN 5 (stayed same)
HONDA 2 (stayed same)
Character Development 88 down from 136
Generational Parallels 94 down from 155

There were only two issues worth mentioning for the category, and 
only one Q. for the group:

1)Characterisation--This category was very light on posts and I 
think the main reason is because most went into individual character 
categories. Most of the posts here talk about characterisation in 
more technical literary terms and I think that's fine for this 
particular category. If someone feels strongly about doing it 
another way, tell me now.


*****QUESTION*****

2) Here's the biggie I need some input on. There was crossover 
between Originality/Stereotypes and Character Development and I 
think it was due to the definition for Orig/Stereo: 

"General posts about how JKR uses characterisation to advance the 
plot, reveal themes, etc."

What I chose to do was move some of the posts in Orig/Stereo into 
Char. Develop. and drop the code from others because the posts were 
also coded to another characterisation category which was a better 
fit. 

The ones I left in Orig/Stereo were ones that mainly dealt with 
questions like: "Is Voldemort the sterotypical villain? Harry the 
stereotypical hero? What does JKR do with her characters which is 
original for this type of literature?"


So if everyone is ok with that, I'd like to change the definition of 
Originality and Use of Stereotypes to something like this:

"Posts about how JKR uses either sterotypical or original characters 
to advance the plot or reveal themes, etc."


OK, that about sums it up. I'll change the definition if no one is 
opposed to it.

Jen








From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Sun Sep  3 17:35:15 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:35:15 -0000
Subject: Personal note
Message-ID: <edf3oj+3568@eGroups.com>

I wanted to put this in a separate message in case no one reads the 
other one <g>. 

Spontaneity overtook me last week and I decided the time was right to 
give elfdom a try. I realized this HP phenomenon is rapidly hurtling 
toward the end and now's the time to get involved if I'm ever going to.

This doesn't mean I'm abandoning the catalogue, though! Just the 
Snapey part of it. Thanks to Debbie for getting everything set up for 
him, and Ginger & Sean for diving in (congrats on the clothes btw, 
Ginger!). 

Once I figure out how in the hell to do elfly things & get used to the 
duties there, I'll have more time again. If you decide to split up the 
Voldemort category Carolyn, count me in to help review. For some 
reason I like reading posts about His Evilness.

Jen, extremely happy to be back into fandom as she had moments of 
thinking it was all over this summer.







From ewetoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 07:24:00 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:24:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Personal note
In-Reply-To: <edf3oj+3568@eGroups.com>
References: <edf3oj+3568@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609040024s7c6bae33s79b89fb70618cfae@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/4/06, Jen Reese <stevejjen at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I wanted to put this in a separate message in case no one reads the
> other one <g>.
>
> Spontaneity overtook me last week and I decided the time was right to
> give elfdom a try. I realized this HP phenomenon is rapidly hurtling
> toward the end and now's the time to get involved if I'm ever going to.

Good for you! But I think you'll be elfing for quite a bit after
book7, the list is going to take some time to finalize all the
questions and theories and then settle down to truly hopeless fandom.
I'm on one list dedicated to a long-gone scifi series and they're
nowhere near done after practically 20 years. I predict that a
phenomenon of this size just isn't going to shut up shop after the
series finale.

>
> This doesn't mean I'm abandoning the catalogue, though! Just the
> Snapey part of it. Thanks to Debbie for getting everything set up for
> him, and Ginger & Sean for diving in (congrats on the clothes btw,
> Ginger!).

That's ok, I did 1000 posts of Snape today (but I'll expand on that in
another post).

> Once I figure out how in the hell to do elfly things & get used to the
> duties there, I'll have more time again. If you decide to split up the
> Voldemort category Carolyn, count me in to help review. For some
> reason I like reading posts about His Evilness.

It's a welcome change from His Emoness believe me.

ewe2
-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From ewetoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 07:45:31 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:45:31 +1000
Subject: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
Message-ID: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>

Jen:
*Pauses to wonder if the daring penguin solved the tech problems or
if the silence from Miss is a Very Bad Sign*.

I fear the same, Jen. I hope she turns up in time for the *next*
Fforde book, I've already read the Fourth Bear, and it's back to the
tales of Miss H next year *sigh*. If she took me literally and ditched
AOL, she may be in the throes of setting up with a new ISP.

But to the task at hand! Today I reviewed 1000 Snape posts and to my
shock and chagrin could only de-Snape 24 of them! My congratulations
to the coders, reviewers and not least the posters for the most
concentrated potion of TBAY, Fantastic Elkin posts (zomg the size of
them), and all-round tenacious threaded Snapeology!!

It's hard for me to admit, but for hundreds of posts, there wasn't a
useless one. I'd venture to suggest that a good 50% of the best of the
list is here, and we really have a problem now about redundancy. I
cannot see how much further we can take several of the Snape-related
arguments/theories after this lot. I certainly don't think we need yet
another take on the Neville/Snape relationship, but the Sirius/Snape
one has yet to run its course at this point of cataloguing.  I kept
many threads for historical and predictive reasons (particularly
Snape/Dumbledore), and I think this table will be very useful in
helping us weed out future posts relating to Snape. I think Debbie and
Ginger may find more rejectable posts than I did, I seem to have run
into the main drift of golden posts.

There are 4 blocks of Snape left, which I may or may not polish off
after dinner, depending on how long the shopping expedition takes. The
question of my sanity is moot: either Snapeposts drove me mad or the
undertaking itself was always a product of raving penguin fever.

ewe2, smoking and glowing from the fierce reviewing fire oh yes im a
hot bird now

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  5 15:39:32 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:39:32 -0000
Subject: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edk5nk+cr4k@eGroups.com>

The Ever-amazing Penguin wrote:
> But to the task at hand! Today I reviewed 1000 Snape posts and to 
my
> shock and chagrin could only de-Snape 24 of them! 

Ginger, also full of shock and chagrin:

Dear, do you mean that you couldn't get them out of the main Snape 
category or that you couldn't get them out of the whole section?    
I know Debbie and I had said that Snape/MWPP posts all went under 
the "Young Snape" category due to the fact that their relationship 
started when they were young.  

I know for the posts that I did, I ended up with about a 20% move 
rate, and a 50% reject or uncode rate.  Most was due to repetition.  
I had a world of Sirius/Snape posts as well.  

Ginger, hoping that Sean meant that there were only 24 posts totally 
removed and sorry if I misunderstood.







From ewetoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 16:10:47 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 02:10:47 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
In-Reply-To: <edk5nk+cr4k@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
	 <edk5nk+cr4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609050910w642b541dq31195b238faebbd8@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/6/06, quigonginger <quigonginger at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ginger, also full of shock and chagrin:
>
> Dear, do you mean that you couldn't get them out of the main Snape
> category or that you couldn't get them out of the whole section?
> I know Debbie and I had said that Snape/MWPP posts all went under
> the "Young Snape" category due to the fact that their relationship
> started when they were young.

Oh...bugger. Never mind, I can do that, that cat had completely passed me by.

> I know for the posts that I did, I ended up with about a 20% move
> rate, and a 50% reject or uncode rate.  Most was due to repetition.
> I had a world of Sirius/Snape posts as well.

And in that case, most of the MWPP-related ones I had I can then
cheerfully delete. Most of it is rehashing Shrieking Shack backstory
anyway, but the tricky part was deciding whether to keep Sirius
speculation pre-OoP.

> Ginger, hoping that Sean meant that there were only 24 posts totally
> removed and sorry if I misunderstood.

A mixture. Seriously, there are acres of FP's out there and half the
time it was worth keeping the thread together to keep track of the
arguments. But considering your POV I'll go back to where the
problematic ones are and get meaner, thank god for keeping notes as I
do.


ewe2, deflated penguin gearing up for midnight post review.
-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Sep  5 17:25:24 2006
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:25:24 -0000
Subject: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edkbu4+gj09@eGroups.com>

The amazing Penguin wrote:
> But to the task at hand! Today I reviewed 1000 Snape posts and to my
> shock and chagrin could only de-Snape 24 of them! My congratulations
> to the coders, reviewers and not least the posters for the most
> concentrated potion of TBAY, Fantastic Elkin posts (zomg the size of
> them), and all-round tenacious threaded Snapeology!!
> 
> It's hard for me to admit, but for hundreds of posts, there wasn't a
> useless one. I'd venture to suggest that a good 50% of the best of 
the
> list is here, and we really have a problem now about redundancy. 

Debbie, who recalls those days, replies:
I vote we keep them all, redundancy be damned.  Those threads were 
priceless and worthy of enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.

I
> cannot see how much further we can take several of the Snape-related
> arguments/theories after this lot. 

Debbie:
I thought so too at one point.  And them CHOP came along.

The equally amazing Ginger wrote:
> Dear, do you mean that you couldn't get them out of the main Snape 
> category or that you couldn't get them out of the whole section?    
> I know Debbie and I had said that Snape/MWPP posts all went under 
> the "Young Snape" category due to the fact that their relationship 
> started when they were young.  
> 
> I know for the posts that I did, I ended up with about a 20% move 
> rate, and a 50% reject or uncode rate.  Most was due to 
repetition.  

Debbie, also full of shock:
Ahhh!  I wondered why everyone else's review seemed to be going so 
fast while I plod along.  For the posts I've done, I have a move rate 
of 80%.  I have been working on the assumption that our goal is to 
reduce the main Snape category to a manageable figure.  My 
reject/uncode rate is very low, probably only 20%.

So, do we need more subcats?  I did some review last night, and we 
were still at 1600 posts in main Snape.

Debbie
who is at work where she is incapable of humor











From ewetoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 18:05:03 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:05:03 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
In-Reply-To: <edkbu4+gj09@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
	 <edkbu4+gj09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609051105l3c2ae3bdo3afd5193e253dbae@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/6/06, Debbie <elfundeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> Debbie, who recalls those days, replies:
> I vote we keep them all, redundancy be damned.  Those threads were
> priceless and worthy of enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.

A good number of them are. Ginger does make a point that we are trying
to reduce the snape code itself, so I'm trying to do that with the
good stuff where I can.

> Debbie, also full of shock:
> Ahhh!  I wondered why everyone else's review seemed to be going so
> fast while I plod along.  For the posts I've done, I have a move rate
> of 80%.  I have been working on the assumption that our goal is to
> reduce the main Snape category to a manageable figure.  My
> reject/uncode rate is very low, probably only 20%.

In my review's review I'm attacking posts where the snape cat is
itself redundant, particularly where snape posts reference taboulisms
such as LOLLIPOPS, recoding for MWPP (my fault entirely that I
overlooked this cat), and endless Sirius vs Snape wars. I still don't
think I'm going to do better than 30% in the end, my 1000 post block
has too many useful threads and FP's. A great deal of TBAY is in here.
The goodies aren't evenly distributed though, I've seen Ginger's work
in Snape and she got a lot of dreck, I got the tail end of it.

> So, do we need more subcats?  I did some review last night, and we
> were still at 1600 posts in main Snape.

No, I think I'll just be a wee bit more ruthless.  Even in the great
TBAY FP's most 2.4.1's are redundant, it's the biggest fault of Snape
cat.

> Debbie
> who is at work where she is incapable of humor

ewe2, on a very rainy night which gets noisy in a caravan.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From ewetoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 18:30:24 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 04:30:24 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Too Much Snape Is Never Enough
In-Reply-To: <edkbu4+gj09@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
	 <edkbu4+gj09@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609051130t38697093o404c630fcb1251c5@mail.gmail.com>

Debbie asked:
> So, do we need more subcats?  I did some review last night, and we
> were still at 1600 posts in main Snape.

I've just had a thought/question. Should we dump Neville/Snape into
2.4.1.9 or should we really make Neville/Snape into its own cat? On
second thoughts, most of it's redundant anyway; tempted to strike it
down whenever i see it, it should be an FAQ really.

ewe2,  who's managed to desnape 64 posts now
-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  6 12:13:44 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 12:13:44 -0000
Subject: Just a few Snapey thoughts
Message-ID: <edme1o+mplg@eGroups.com>

For the posts I did, the uncoded ones were either repetition, drivel, 
or posts about Lucius or someone that just happened to have a bit on 
Snape, usually such astonishing revelations as "they probably knew 
each other during their DE days."  That seems like drivel now, but 
given that Snape as a DE was hot news back then, I guess it did have 
merit.

I do try to keep in mind that things were different back then.  
Sirius was alive, the Crouches were a hot topic, SHIPping was up for 
grabs, and Snape jolly well could have been a vampire.

I also uncoded a whole slew? slough? sloo? oh, heck sh!tload, of 
posts about how one makes potions, how difficult a certain potion 
would be, and whether or not Poppy makes them.  Snape was only 
mentioned in passing and I thought that it really didn't have any 
bearing on his character, so I hacked them.

Debbie, given that I have WSD*, don't feel like you are plodding.  I 
am just spending a lot of time staring at a screen.

*WSD= World's Slowest Dialup.  It can take me as much as 7 minutes 
from the time I click on something to the time I actually get it. 
Exboyfriendmort said that it was because I have old phone lines.

As far as Snape/Neville, I'd vote to just keep that in teaching for 
now and see how big that one gets.  The only other cat I could think 
of would be Snape and the DEs.  I think when we get to HBP 
conversation, we'll see a lot of that, and there is quite a bit even 
now.  Of course that would mean we'd have to go back and redo.  (I 
don't keep penguinesque notes.)

Ah, well.

Ginger, who will be doing more Snaping this weekend.






From ewetoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 12:43:13 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 22:43:13 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Just a few Snapey thoughts
In-Reply-To: <edme1o+mplg@eGroups.com>
References: <edme1o+mplg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609060543m1d041439y72c19e255f531664@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/6/06, quigonginger <quigonginger at yahoo.com> wrote:
> For the posts I did, the uncoded ones were either repetition, drivel,
> or posts about Lucius or someone that just happened to have a bit on
> Snape, usually such astonishing revelations as "they probably knew
> each other during their DE days."  That seems like drivel now, but
> given that Snape as a DE was hot news back then, I guess it did have
> merit.

Yeah, I seem to be missing those except for the revisiting of the
Prank/Shrieking Shack I. I'm going through a lot of LOLLIPOPS at the
moment and coding Snape is just overkill for those.

>
> I do try to keep in mind that things were different back then.
> Sirius was alive, the Crouches were a hot topic, SHIPping was up for
> grabs, and Snape jolly well could have been a vampire.

I'm keeping the vampire ones. You need a laugh.

> I also uncoded a whole slew? slough? sloo? oh, heck sh!tload, of
> posts about how one makes potions, how difficult a certain potion
> would be, and whether or not Poppy makes them.  Snape was only
> mentioned in passing and I thought that it really didn't have any
> bearing on his character, so I hacked them.

Thank God I haven't run into them. I really seem to have got the good
bits by comparison.

> Debbie, given that I have WSD*, don't feel like you are plodding.  I
> am just spending a lot of time staring at a screen.
>
> *WSD= World's Slowest Dialup.  It can take me as much as 7 minutes
> from the time I click on something to the time I actually get it.
> Exboyfriendmort said that it was because I have old phone lines.

I have WMUG - Worlds Most Unreliable GPRS, which is also expensive.
But its net, and the catalogue isnt that slow for me. I usually note
about 4 or 5 posts at once and limit my pain that way.

> As far as Snape/Neville, I'd vote to just keep that in teaching for
> now and see how big that one gets.  The only other cat I could think
> of would be Snape and the DEs.  I think when we get to HBP
> conversation, we'll see a lot of that, and there is quite a bit even
> now.  Of course that would mean we'd have to go back and redo.  (I
> don't keep penguinesque notes.)

I keep note of the blocks and whether a post was uncoded or rejected.
So if a block is mostly good its obvious and if its mostly bad it is
too. A quick note on the primary threads is handy because you can zero
in on the problem areas, which is why I've re-reviewed 300 already. I
agree about Snape/Neville but I'm also pruning for relevance, opinion
isn't terribly original by this stage of the list.

> Ginger, who will be doing more Snaping this weekend.

ewe2, who's had a nice nap and will now attack a couple of blocks tonight.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Wed Sep  6 14:24:26 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:24:26 -0000
Subject: Personal note
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609040024s7c6bae33s79b89fb70618cfae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edmlmq+3klv@eGroups.com>

Sean:
> Good for you! But I think you'll be elfing for quite a bit after
> book7, the list is going to take some time to finalize all the
> questions and theories and then settle down to truly hopeless 
fandom.
> I'm on one list dedicated to a long-gone scifi series and they're
> nowhere near done after practically 20 years. I predict that a
> phenomenon of this size just isn't going to shut up shop after the
> series finale.


Jen: Aww man, so I could have waited?!? I'm kiddin' it will be fun 
to give it a try.


> That's ok, I did 1000 posts of Snape today (but I'll expand on
> that in another post).


Jen: You rock. All three of you.


> It's a welcome change from His Emoness believe me.

J: HAHA, I have no clue what this means but it struck me funny 
today. Is this a real word, penguin vocab? 

Jen, hoping Carolyn is in the middle of getting a new ISP, too.






From ewetoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 15:36:07 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 01:36:07 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Personal note
In-Reply-To: <edmlmq+3klv@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609040024s7c6bae33s79b89fb70618cfae@mail.gmail.com>
	 <edmlmq+3klv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609060836i73e7b406p6f08f96d18445920@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/06, Jen Reese <stevejjen at earthlink.net> wrote:

> > It's a welcome change from His Emoness believe me.
>
> J: HAHA, I have no clue what this means but it struck me funny
> today. Is this a real word, penguin vocab?

You've not heard of emo? If Snape isn't emo I'm not sure what is hehe.
Certainly his adoring fans characterize him that way.  Therefore, His
Emoship or His Emoness. Although I personally think he's His
Basketcaseness.

ewe2, extending english for penguins every day.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Tue Sep 12 12:17:20 2006
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:17:20 -0000
Subject: The woman in white
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee68gg+i1ba@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo at ...> wrote:
>
> Jen:
> *Pauses to wonder if the daring penguin solved the tech problems or
> if the silence from Miss is a Very Bad Sign*.
> 
> I fear the same, Jen. I hope she turns up in time for the *next*
> Fforde book, I've already read the Fourth Bear, and it's back to the
> tales of Miss H next year *sigh*. If she took me literally and ditched
> AOL, she may be in the throes of setting up with a new ISP.
> 

Ms H reappears suddenly, but after one look at her face, they fear the 
worst.

I've been comprehensively shafted by AOL and currently have no redress 
whatsoever. Three or four years email correspondence is locked away in 
a file no one can get at, and no one can solve the mystery of why I can 
get into one Yah site (TOC), but not this one (where I'm the frigging 
moderator for chrissakes, or even the main site).

What's more I'm locked into an annual AOL contract that I can't get out 
of until early December, and anyway I can't walk away whilst my emails 
are locked in an unopenable AOL filing cabinet.

Sean, sorry for not replying - firstly I actually couldn't get in at 
all, then bluddy work intervened, then I have had some time off and 
have spent most of it on helplines, solving nothing.

It is like losing part of your life, a sort of virtual amnesia; I am 
totally upset and disorientated. The most suspicious thing is that this 
has only happened on one screen name. My filing cabinets on all the 
other screenames are fine, and all my address books are fine even on 
the screename where I have lost the emails. They can't even restore my 
old favourites list which sits on their ****** SERVER.

But it looks like you are all getting on with stuff - brilliant, well 
done. If I get anywhere this week, which is my first week off since 
January, I will try and set up the Voldemort categories. I must also 
email Tim, who has gone very quiet again, but then don't we all.

BTW, to post this, what I did was go into TOC, set all posts 
to 'Expand', rather than just the headings, then came back to the 
catalogue so I could read everything. For reasons totally beyond me it 
will now let me do that, and reply to them when it wouldn't yesterday.

Have many other causes of grief right now, but will not ennumerate them.

C..
off to write yet another stinking email to AOL








From ewetoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 15:04:52 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:04:52 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: The woman in white
In-Reply-To: <ee68gg+i1ba@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609040045s75130fb6sc1067fa016987799@mail.gmail.com>
	 <ee68gg+i1ba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609120804h7533afcbg211a637fb2a69195@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/12/06, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
> Ms H reappears suddenly, but after one look at her face, they fear the
> worst.
>
> I've been comprehensively shafted by AOL and currently have no redress
> whatsoever. Three or four years email correspondence is locked away in
> a file no one can get at, and no one can solve the mystery of why I can
> get into one Yah site (TOC), but not this one (where I'm the frigging
> moderator for chrissakes, or even the main site).
>
> What's more I'm locked into an annual AOL contract that I can't get out
> of until early December, and anyway I can't walk away whilst my emails
> are locked in an unopenable AOL filing cabinet.
>
> Sean, sorry for not replying - firstly I actually couldn't get in at
> all, then bluddy work intervened, then I have had some time off and
> have spent most of it on helplines, solving nothing.

I already feel guilty enough for not trying to contact you sooner. I
would dearly love to have one of these "unlockable cabinets" for I
would wail upon it with all my penguin hax0r rage and if that didn't
suffice I know other animal hax0rs who enjoy that sort of thing. This
sort of thing is intolerable to me, and I'm infuriated on your behalf.

> BTW, to post this, what I did was go into TOC, set all posts
> to 'Expand', rather than just the headings, then came back to the
> catalogue so I could read everything. For reasons totally beyond me it
> will now let me do that, and reply to them when it wouldn't yesterday.

The software moves in mysterious ways, its inexplicable wonders to
sorta perform.

> Have many other causes of grief right now, but will not ennumerate them.
>
> C..
> off to write yet another stinking email to AOL

You go girl! Oh BTW, I might be up your way within the month, let you
know if I have anything more  specific.

ewe2, itching to smack AOL upside the head.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Mon Sep 18 01:58:36 2006
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:58:36 -0000
Subject: Just a few Snapey thoughts
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609060543m1d041439y72c19e255f531664@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eekugc+pkgg@eGroups.com>

Question for Ginger and our resident penguin:

I have finished my initial review of the 800 Snape posts I signed up 
for, 80% of which are no longer in Main Snape.  Are you two still re-
reviewing your sections?  Do you need help?  Should I review them 
anyway, since I had such a higher move/reject rate?

And to respond to old questions -- 

Ginger wrote:
> > As far as Snape/Neville, I'd vote to just keep that in teaching 
for
> > now and see how big that one gets.  The only other cat I could 
think
> > of would be Snape and the DEs.  I think when we get to HBP
> > conversation, we'll see a lot of that, and there is quite a bit 
even
> > now.  Of course that would mean we'd have to go back and redo.  
(I
> > don't keep penguinesque notes.)

Oh, good.  I don't keep notes either, which means I rely on my 
feeble brain to remember things.  Unfortunately, I'm having a hard 
time remembering the possible extra categories I had thought up.  
One category that will become essential post-OOP is Snape and 
Occlumency.  I came across 1-2 posts that came quite close to 
describing it (though they used the phrase 'mind-reading' and I'd 
like to set that category up now and dump these two posts in it.

Debbie
who wants to keep my minimal momentup going, and can't blame my ISP 
or my connection for my tortoise-like speed







From ewetoo at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 06:56:48 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:56:48 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Just a few Snapey thoughts
In-Reply-To: <eekugc+pkgg@eGroups.com>
References: <91d14f320609060543m1d041439y72c19e255f531664@mail.gmail.com>
	 <eekugc+pkgg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609172356u50ee7524v5a91dca4e184aac2@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/18/06, Debbie <elfundeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> Question for Ginger and our resident penguin:
>
> I have finished my initial review of the 800 Snape posts I signed up
> for, 80% of which are no longer in Main Snape.  Are you two still re-
> reviewing your sections?  Do you need help?  Should I review them
> anyway, since I had such a higher move/reject rate?

Of the 1000 I signed up for I'm nearly halfway through double-checking
mine particularly to cover the new Snape cats. If you're done with
yours, there's still free blocks to go :D

>
> And to respond to old questions --
>
> Ginger wrote:
> > > As far as Snape/Neville, I'd vote to just keep that in teaching
> for
> > > now and see how big that one gets.  The only other cat I could
> think
> > > of would be Snape and the DEs.  I think when we get to HBP
> > > conversation, we'll see a lot of that, and there is quite a bit
> even
> > > now.  Of course that would mean we'd have to go back and redo.
> (I
> > > don't keep penguinesque notes.)
>
> Oh, good.  I don't keep notes either, which means I rely on my
> feeble brain to remember things.  Unfortunately, I'm having a hard
> time remembering the possible extra categories I had thought up.
> One category that will become essential post-OOP is Snape and
> Occlumency.  I came across 1-2 posts that came quite close to
> describing it (though they used the phrase 'mind-reading' and I'd
> like to set that category up now and dump these two posts in it.

Excellent idea, there's probably a few I might find too. No harm in
setting up probational cats that may need changing later if it helps
IMHO.

> Debbie
> who wants to keep my minimal momentup going, and can't blame my ISP
> or my connection for my tortoise-like speed

Don't worry bout us start-stop rabbits you crawl along just fine!

ewe2, guilty rabbit-penguin who should start running again

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 10:53:18 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:53:18 -0000
Subject: Snape
Message-ID: <eeltqu+eefk@eGroups.com>

Ok, I tried to do a reply and my computer kept taking me back to the 
database.  No idea that the heck is up with that.

So---Debbie asked how I was coming along.  Sorry, Debbie, I got 
sidetracked by a bear of a test for school, but I will finish my 
Snaping ASAP.  Go ahead and finish the other sections in Snape and 
I'll meet you at the end.

In fact, I'll finish it off now since I have a bit of time.  

Then let me know the next move.

Ginger







From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 13:48:39 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:48:39 -0000
Subject: Snape again
Message-ID: <eem83n+l2i9@eGroups.com>

I finished the Snape section I had signed up for.  Lots of 
uncoding/rejecting in this section.  Much repeating. 

Let me know what is next on the agenda.

Ginger







From elfundeb at comcast.net  Tue Sep 19 01:36:17 2006
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:36:17 -0000
Subject: Snape again
In-Reply-To: <eem83n+l2i9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eenhih+cn9j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo at ...> wrote:
> Of the 1000 I signed up for I'm nearly halfway through double-
checking
> mine particularly to cover the new Snape cats. If you're done with
> yours, there's still free blocks to go :D

Ok, if you give me some post numbers, I'll get right to work!

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" 
<quigonginger at ...> wrote:
>
> I finished the Snape section I had signed up for.  Lots of 
> uncoding/rejecting in this section.  Much repeating. 

Can Ginger get some post numbers to work on, too?

Debbie
suspecting that Miss Havisham's ghost been sharpening our machetes for 
us







From ewetoo at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 03:53:25 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:53:25 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Snape again
In-Reply-To: <eenhih+cn9j@eGroups.com>
References: <eem83n+l2i9@eGroups.com> <eenhih+cn9j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609182053w78b43c9bj5b2b1c0780de19cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/19/06, Debbie <elfundeb at comcast.net> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, ewe2 <ewetoo at ...> wrote:
> > Of the 1000 I signed up for I'm nearly halfway through double-
> checking
> > mine particularly to cover the new Snape cats. If you're done with
> > yours, there's still free blocks to go :D
>
> Ok, if you give me some post numbers, I'll get right to work!
>
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger"
> <quigonginger at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I finished the Snape section I had signed up for.  Lots of
> > uncoding/rejecting in this section.  Much repeating.
>
> Can Ginger get some post numbers to work on, too?
>
> Debbie
> suspecting that Miss Havisham's ghost been sharpening our machetes for
> us

Err, there's 4 blocks free as can be seen on the 2nd page of the snape
database.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Catalogue/database?method=reportRows&tbl=22&sortBy=1&sortDir=down&start_at=20


-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From kakearney at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 00:51:15 2006
From: kakearney at gmail.com (corinthum)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:51:15 -0000
Subject: Snape again
In-Reply-To: <91d14f320609182053w78b43c9bj5b2b1c0780de19cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eeq3a3+pqmg@eGroups.com>

Sean:

> Err, there's 4 blocks free as can be seen on the 2nd page of the snape
> database.

Kelly:

Three now, I just grabbed one.  

Hi again all, remember me?  So, I'm back to being a student again. 
Movers are gone, boxes unpacked, last shelf hung today, classes
started, and so I think I'm ready to dive back into coding.  I've
signed up for a Snape section, and I think I should be able to finish
it this week.  This is just the first pass Snape review, right?  Since
I'm jumping in so late, I don't really know what topics have been
covered ad nauseum in the Snape category, so I might keep some
repetition in the posts I move to subcategories.

-Kelly







From kakearney at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 02:07:39 2006
From: kakearney at gmail.com (corinthum)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:07:39 -0000
Subject: Snape again
In-Reply-To: <eeq3a3+pqmg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeq7pb+efqn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kakearney at ...> wrote:
>
> Sean:
> 
> > Err, there's 4 blocks free as can be seen on the 2nd page of the snape
> > database.
> 
> Kelly:
> 
> Three now, I just grabbed one.  
> 
> Hi again all, remember me?  So, I'm back to being a student again. 
> Movers are gone, boxes unpacked, last shelf hung today, classes
> started, and so I think I'm ready to dive back into coding.  I've
> signed up for a Snape section, and I think I should be able to finish
> it this week.  This is just the first pass Snape review, right?  Since
> I'm jumping in so late, I don't really know what topics have been
> covered ad nauseum in the Snape category, so I might keep some
> repetition in the posts I move to subcategories.
> 
> -Kelly

One quick question... Does the "Young Snape & MWPP" category only deal
with discussions of the five when they were younger, or does it
include any discussion of Snape along with MWPP whether young or old?
 If the former, where have you been sticking the latter (for example,
a discussion of parallels between Snape and Sirius)?

-Kelly

 







From ewetoo at gmail.com  Wed Sep 20 05:35:36 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:35:36 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Re: Snape again
In-Reply-To: <eeq7pb+efqn@eGroups.com>
References: <eeq3a3+pqmg@eGroups.com> <eeq7pb+efqn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609192235j7913376fmbf8f3d9dc3b4d7d2@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/20/06, corinthum <kakearney at gmail.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "corinthum" <kakearney at ...> wrote:
> One quick question... Does the "Young Snape & MWPP" category only deal
> with discussions of the five when they were younger, or does it
> include any discussion of Snape along with MWPP whether young or old?
>  If the former, where have you been sticking the latter (for example,
> a discussion of parallels between Snape and Sirius)?
>
> -Kelly

Welcome back Kelly :D

Yes, it covers characterization discussions between Snape and the
Pranksters, Prank discussions that don't neatly fall into Shrieking
Shack II, and DEFINITELY all the Snape Vs Sirius posts. Basically,
unless you can discard him altogether, you're trying to reduce main
category Snape. Debbie might have a new cat or two also, which might
threaten a recount again. Do what I do, and keep notes, it saves time!

ewe2, eyeing the next block

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From carolynwhite2 at aol.com  Wed Sep 20 20:04:52 2006
From: carolynwhite2 at aol.com (carolynwhite2)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:04:52 -0000
Subject: Catalogue down Thursday 21st-Sunday24th
Message-ID: <ees6t4+d9f0@eGroups.com>

Dear All,

With apologies, Paul says the catalogue server will be down for a few 
days:

"The server we have the hpfgu catalog hosted on will be reformatted
soon.  All of the important data will be backed up and restored.  I
expect the site to be down starting Thursday.  The hpfgu site should
be back to normal by Saturday or Sunday."

xxC








From ewetoo at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 01:47:09 2006
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:47:09 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] Catalogue down Thursday 21st-Sunday24th
In-Reply-To: <ees6t4+d9f0@eGroups.com>
References: <ees6t4+d9f0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320609201847i2a969430yce3e608189e667ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/21/06, carolynwhite2 <carolynwhite2 at aol.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> With apologies, Paul says the catalogue server will be down for a few
> days:
>
> "The server we have the hpfgu catalog hosted on will be reformatted
> soon.  All of the important data will be backed up and restored.  I
> expect the site to be down starting Thursday.  The hpfgu site should
> be back to normal by Saturday or Sunday."
>
> xxC

SCHOOLS OUT!!!

mwahaha

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 21 12:32:20 2006
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:32:20 -0000
Subject: a wonderful moment
Message-ID: <eeu0ok+1kns@eGroups.com>

Since the site is down, I'd just like to take a second of your time to 
share with you a wonderful heart-warming moment.

Many of you have heard of my dear Godson, Justen, who is the light of 
my life.  I got an e-mail from his mother today.  He finished his first 
Harry Potter book and is begging for the second.  It does my heart good.

Enjoy life, Ginger






From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 21 17:47:34 2006
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:47:34 -0000
Subject: a wonderful moment
In-Reply-To: <eeu0ok+1kns@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eeuj7m+ufdp@eGroups.com>

> Since the site is down, I'd just like to take a second of your time
> to share with you a wonderful heart-warming moment.
> 
> Many of you have heard of my dear Godson, Justen, who is the light 
>of my life.  I got an e-mail from his mother today.  He finished his
> first Harry Potter book and is begging for the second.  It does my 
>heart good.
> 
> Enjoy life, Ginger


Jen: A wonderful moment indeed, esp. for a Jedi. :)  I thought my 8-
yr. old would never like Harry b/c I liked him waaaay too much 
(reverse psychology on the parents starts too young). Anyway, last 
Christmas he decided he wanted his own copy of PS and away we went 
from there, all the way through HBP. I didn't even mind shelling out 
for his own copies of hardcovers just to get to read them together. 

Now he's back into Star Wars until the new book and movie come out. 
That works for me, now we're working our way through all the 
Scholastic chapter series. 

Jen, who just noticed a post by Deb on main which is challenging her 
Moody musings and is in need of a reply, hehe.