From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  3 07:17:14 2007
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:17:14 -0000
Subject: stuck on the Voldie front
Message-ID: <eq1ctq+lido@eGroups.com>

OK, I got the main LV down to 1382 posts.  

That's the good news.  I have pulled out all the "meaning of name" 
posts, which include anagrams and why he uses "Lord".  I also did a 
search and pulled out the Evil Overlord Handbook posts.  I just did 
a "find" thing on those and searched "overlord".  I figured that I 
can always add any that I find along the way.  These posts have been 
put into their proper categories.

So here's where I keep getting stuck.  The categories.

I don't know what some of them mean, and others blend so that I don't 
know where one ends and the other begins.  

Could I suggest some?  Maybe I'm not understanding the definitions 
that the ones there already have.  I don't know.

Having read all the 1382 remaining posts at least twice, I think we 
could go with the following revisions.  If that's OK with everyone.

I'll put them in outline order so you can see how they'd stack up.  
I'm not including acronyms at this time.  An * indicates a footnote 
explanation.

1  LV's family
     A  Parents
     B  Slytherin's heir
          i  Meaning of name
     C  Related to other characters*

2  Life before Harry
     A  Orphanage*
     B  Hogwarts years*
     C  Post-Hogwarts/rise to power*
     
3  Events post-Harry
     A  Godric's Hollow
     B  Albania and pre-rebirth
     C  Graveyard rebirth   
     
4  Plans and powers
     A  Agenda
          i  effects of prophecy
          ii  Evil Overlord Handbook
     B  Possession (general)
          i  of Harry (includes scar connection)
          ii of Ginny
          iii of Quirrel

5  Relationships with...
     A  Snape
     B  Dumbledore
     C  DEs and dark creatures
     

6  Character analyses

7  As a plot device*

8  As a Literary Characterization*

9  RL parallels

*1C- This would be for those posts that wonder if he is related to 
Harry or Lily or Snape.....
*2A- Not much at this time, but will be plenty in the future.
*2B- This would include his search for his heritage and also his time 
as "Diary!Tom"   
*2C- Would include horcrux making when we get to it, and also how he 
recruited his DEs.
*7- what the heck does this mean anyway?
*8- Ditto above

This is kind of vague at the moment, and I'm sure that some would 
have to be further divided.  I am not sure what the Time travel cat 
was supposed to be, but I am assuming that it was wondering how LV 
could be the last ancestor of SS.  in that case, it could be a sub-
cat of 1B.  If there is another meaning, let me know, please.

Anyway, I've tried several times to get going on this and always get 
stuck because I'm not sure what a category entails.

Help?  Explanations?  Chocolate?

Ginger, rooting for Chicago tomorrow against her better judgement, 
and hoping that no one remembers that she said she hoped to have this 
done by Superbowl Sunday. 




From ewetoo at gmail.com  Sat Feb  3 07:52:28 2007
From: ewetoo at gmail.com (ewe2)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:52:28 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-Catalogue] stuck on the Voldie front
In-Reply-To: <eq1ctq+lido@eGroups.com>
References: <eq1ctq+lido@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91d14f320702022352j1fe703a9tfe7b0638d0fce8cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/3/07, quigonginger <quigonginger at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 7  As a plot device*

This is what the Evil Overlord Handbook is really about: the evil guy
who tests the Hero. Its closely related to:

> 8  As a Literary Characterization*

I think this refers to parallels with other satanic-like evil
overlords;  evil that doesn't quite go away, corrupted by lust for
immortality, in other words a personification of several themes.

> This is kind of vague at the moment, and I'm sure that some would
> have to be further divided.  I am not sure what the Time travel cat
> was supposed to be, but I am assuming that it was wondering how LV
> could be the last ancestor of SS.  in that case, it could be a sub-
> cat of 1B.  If there is another meaning, let me know, please.

Except for far-fetched theories, it doesn' t make sense to me either.

> Help?  Explanations?  Chocolate?

I think you've done awesome work and therefore virtual chocolate is yours!

> Ginger, rooting for Chicago tomorrow against her better judgement,
> and hoping that no one remembers that she said she hoped to have this
> done by Superbowl Sunday.

My friends from Louisiana are still upset from last Sunday. But I
can't see them losing.

ewe2, who's seen more tv about the Superbowl ads than serious game analysis.

-- 
Emacs vs. Vi flamewars are a pointless waste of time. Vi is the best



From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sun Feb  4 22:43:51 2007
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:43:51 -0000
Subject: stuck on the Voldie front
In-Reply-To: <eq1ctq+lido@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <eq5nj7+alkm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Catalogue at yahoogroups.com, "quigonginger" 
<quigonginger at ...> wrote:
> Having read all the 1382 remaining posts at least twice, I think 
we 
> could go with the following revisions.  If that's OK with everyone.
[snip outline]

> Anyway, I've tried several times to get going on this and always 
get 
> stuck because I'm not sure what a category entails.
> 
> Help?  Explanations?  Chocolate?

Not sure I have too much to add to the Penguin's sage advice.  Based 
on my experience with "Snape as literary construct" which is more or 
less the same thing, *plot device* and *literary characterization* 
are more or less similar and probably should be merged.  And the 
Evil Overlord Manual is part of that.

You might want to just jump into it and sort out what to put where 
as you go along.  That's what I did, though it means that a couple 
of subcats probably need new names or at least a clear explanation.

One thing I've learned from immersing myself in the 2646 Snape posts 
is that sometimes fewer subcats is better.  For example, I've 
included in "Young Snape and MWPP" (now at 324 posts and I'm not 
done yet) all posts discussing either young Snape's backstory or his 
relationship with MWPP, past or present.  If I didn't too many 
threads would have to be split among subcats, and, well, to tell the 
truth, most people discuss Snape's pre-Hogwarts life in order to 
explain why MWPP hated him on sight.

BTW, I've only got about 350 Snape posts left to review and I hope 
to knock off about 100 more during the Superbowl.

> Ginger, rooting for Chicago tomorrow against her better judgement, 
> and hoping that no one remembers that she said she hoped to have 
this 
> done by Superbowl Sunday.

Debbie, who hasn't decided who she's rooting for yet





From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  5 01:11:41 2007
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 01:11:41 -0000
Subject: moving on the Voldy front
Message-ID: <eq608d+bafd@eGroups.com>

Ginger here, at halftime of the Superbowl.  Thanks to Debbie and The 
Mighty Penguin.

I plan to go ahead with the cats I proposed, combining Lit char and 
plot device until I figure how to divide them.  

Then I will get back together with the powers that be around here and 
figure out what's what.

Yeah, half-time.  I hated Prince back when he was famous.  Still can't 
stand him,  Being half in the bag doesn't even help.

Will move forward boldly and with purpose when I sober up.

Ginger, whose hamster bit her and drew quite a bit of blood,  Teaches 
me to put cool whip on my finger.  He loves the stuff.




From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 23 22:19:32 2007
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:19:32 -0000
Subject: Brilliant beam of glorious light at the end of the Voldytunnel
Message-ID: <ernp9k+9jqu@eGroups.com>

Ginger skips the light fandango, turns cartwheels 'cross the floor.

Feeling kind of seasick, she places the following message on the 
community board:

Greetings:

I have gone through all 1382 remaining Voldyposts and have them 
divided on a spreadsheet (why, oh why didn't I think of this before?) 
into many categories.  They follow the basic outline that I posted 
earlier, but there have been additions, and there will be some that 
need to be further divided, and a few that can just be combined or 
eliminated.

I will spend this weekend getting rid of the hundreds of posts that I 
have in my "uncode" columns, and will spend next weekend(s) paring 
down, dividing, combining etc the remaining posts. 

Then I will contact Miss about setting up new, properly numbered 
subcats for our favourite Evil Overlord.


Ginger, who took longer with this than expected due to the failure of 
other people's adrenal glands.  (Had to write a paper on it.)






From elfundeb at comcast.net  Sun Feb 25 02:24:14 2007
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:24:14 -0000
Subject: Honey!  I Shrunk the Snape Cat!
Message-ID: <erqs0e+ljf@eGroups.com>

I have amazed and astonished myself, but I have now read every 
single post under 2.4.1, our man Severus Snape.  My computer 
immediately celebrated by doing the wonky-feint, hence the 24-hour 
delay in reporting.
 
There are still 282 posts there.  I need new categories to finish 
clearing out main Snape and make it as empty as Harry), to wit:
1.  Snape's Appearance, i.e., the true meaning of his greasy hair, 
hooked nose, glittery eyes, and fashion sense.  We could make it 
Name and Appearance and cram the etymology posts in, too.
2.  Perseus Evans (one of my least favorite theories ever, but it 
needs a subcat).
3.  Snape and the Malfoys (lots of posts about Snape's relationship 
with Lucius, and they just don't fit anywhere).  Or else Snape and 
his Father Figures, so I could stick the Snape/Dumbledore posts 
there, too. 
 
We're also going to need one for Snape and Occlumency, so we might 
as well get it done now.
 
The full numbers report (only selected acronyms included):
 
2.4.1 Severus Snape (282)
2.4.1.1 Snape & love (96)
2.4.1.1.4 LOLLIPOPS (103)
2.4.1.2 Snape transfigured (16)
2.4.1.2.3 Vampire!Snape (125)
2.4.1.3 ESE!Snape (33)
2.4.1.4 Good!Snape (183)
2.4.1.4.3 George & G's Sister Diana (47)
2.4.1.5 Who is Snape working for? (290)
2.4.1.5.3 PRESSURE COOKER (25)
2.4.1.5.8 SUNLIGHT ULTRA (16)
2.4.1.6 Snape Character Studies (186)
2.4.1.7 Young Snape and MWPP (401)
2.4.1.8 Snape & Harry (174)
2.4.1.9 Snape & Teaching Style (300)
2.4.1.10 Snape as Literary Construct (13)
 
I also want to rename two existing categories:
 
2.4.1.5 Who is Snape working for? to Spy!Snape; this category 
contains all posts relating to Snape's spying career, including how 
he fooled Voldemort (or Dumbledore, depending on your views), etc.  
Posts arguing for Good! or ESE! Snape have been included in the 
Good! or ESE! subcats. 
2.4.1.9 Snape & Teaching Style to Teacher!Snape, because posts about 
his relationship with the other staff, whether he wants the DADA 
job, and other matters not related to whether he abuses his students 
have been included here. 
 
Yes, there are still a lot of posts in these categories.  I shall 
get out my machete and get to work.  Assistance is welcome! (Apply 
Within)
 
Debbie
wondering if she could change the categories herself or whether that 
would be too dangerous




From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 25 09:32:11 2007
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:32:11 -0000
Subject: Go Debbie!
Message-ID: <errl2r+f3i3@eGroups.com>

No, wait!  I didn't mean "go" like in leave, I meant like "you go, 
girl".  No!  Wait!  I meant "splendid- great job- exceeds expectations- 
outstanding"  No, you can stand in here too, you don't need to go out 
to stand.


Just wanted to give you words of encouragment.  Back to your regularly 
schedued Snaping.

Ginger, still Voldying 




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 26 02:03:10 2007
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:03:10 -0000
Subject: Brilliant beam of glorious light and Snape Cat
In-Reply-To: <ernp9k+9jqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ertf4u+10lsm@eGroups.com>

Ginger, emanating golden light:
> I will spend this weekend getting rid of the hundreds of posts that
> I have in my "uncode" columns, and will spend next weekend(s) 
> paring down, dividing, combining etc. the remaining posts. 
> 
> Then I will contact Miss about setting up new, properly numbered 
> subcats for our favourite Evil Overlord.


Debbie, willing to die, er let her computer die, for Snape:
<snip>
> Yes, there are still a lot of posts in these categories. I shall
> get out my machete and get to work. Assistance is welcome! (Apply
> Within)

Jen, in awe of both:
Okay, I'm still lingering around here and willing to help review posts 
in both of these categories.  So Debbie, since you seem to be at that 
point for the two categories you mentioned, 2.4.1.5 and 2.4.1.9, do you 
want me to take that first category and you the second, or have you 
already started cutting?  If so, just tell me a block of posts and I'll 
review, the machete is sharp and ready to go.

And Ginger, I'm pretty sure you are in the process of uncoding posts 
you know for sure don't belong, but from what you said in the past you 
will have blocks of posts ready for review at some point?  Or by saying 
you are uncoding, does that mean you've already reviewed all posts and 
already know what needs to be weeded out?  (I never did quite get what 
you were doing and just bowed to your greatness on this category.)






From quigonginger at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 26 03:13:19 2007
From: quigonginger at yahoo.com (quigonginger)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 03:13:19 -0000
Subject: Brilliant beam of glorious light and Snape Cat
In-Reply-To: <ertf4u+10lsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ertj8f+t3v7@eGroups.com>

Jen:
> And Ginger, I'm pretty sure you are in the process of uncoding 
posts 
> you know for sure don't belong, but from what you said in the past 
you 
> will have blocks of posts ready for review at some point?  Or by 
saying 
> you are uncoding, does that mean you've already reviewed all posts 
and 
> already know what needs to be weeded out?  (I never did quite get 
what 
> you were doing and just bowed to your greatness on this category.)
>

Ginger:
Yes, I have them all sorted into categories, but the main list has a 
few different ones than what I went with, and they aren't numbered 
properly.  I think they were some sort of a beta version.

Anyway, I have a spreadsheet with all my new categories and 
subdivisions, and I am going to uncode all the ones I am kicking out 
of Voldy altogether, and then I will go through the other categories 
and edit them for repeats since after the first 500 posts I got a bit 
fuzzy on what had been said already and just went on sorting them 
unless I was sure that it was a rerun.

I'm also going to divide out the "LV and dark beings/DEs" cat since 
it is really long.  I'm going to pull out dark beings (or whatever I 
called them) and possibly give L Malfoy, BC Jr and Wormtail a 
seperate cat since there are so many of them.  I'll have to see on 
that.  

There are also some that I had started with having divided, but will 
end up consolidating.  Posession is currently in 4 parts, but none is 
that big at all, so I might just roll them all together.

Some things I added later on in the scheme of things, so earlier 
posts will be moved appropriately.

Anyway, to answer your question:  Yes, they have all been read and 
sorted.  

I'm sure Debbie could use your machete.  I'm not quite ready for it, 
but I'll keep you in mind should I need advise on things.

Thanks, Ginger, whose stomach and thighs might be on the 10 o'clock 
news tonight.  (we had a 100th b-day party for a lady at church, and 
the camera man was filming the cake as I was cutting it.  I tried to 
stand back so as not to be in the picture, but that's hard to do when 
you're my size.)




From elfundeb at comcast.net  Mon Feb 26 12:54:49 2007
From: elfundeb at comcast.net (Debbie)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:54:49 -0000
Subject: Brilliant beam of glorious light and Snape Cat
In-Reply-To: <ertf4u+10lsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <erulap+lkvb@eGroups.com>

Ginger, emanating golden light:
> > I will spend this weekend getting rid of the hundreds of posts 
that
> > I have in my "uncode" columns, and will spend next weekend(s) 
> > paring down, dividing, combining etc. the remaining posts. 
> > 
> > Then I will contact Miss about setting up new, properly numbered 
> > subcats for our favourite Evil Overlord.

Debbie:
You go girl, too!


Jen, who has been busy sharpening her machete:
> Okay, I'm still lingering around here and willing to help review 
posts 
> in both of these categories.  So Debbie, since you seem to be at 
that 
> point for the two categories you mentioned, 2.4.1.5 and 2.4.1.9, do 
you 
> want me to take that first category and you the second, or have you 
> already started cutting?  If so, just tell me a block of posts and 
I'll 
> review, the machete is sharp and ready to go.

Debbie:
Actually, you're not limited to 2.4.1.5 and 2.4.1.9; all of the 
subcats would benefit from a review.  Take your choice, only I 
wouldn't start with 2.4.1.9, because I think main Snape still has 
some posts that belong there (it took me awhile to decide that this 
should be the place for the DADA job, relationship with McGonagall, 
etc. posts).

Let me know which one you want, and I'll pick another.

Debbie




From stevejjen at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 26 21:53:11 2007
From: stevejjen at earthlink.net (Jen Reese)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:53:11 -0000
Subject: Brilliant beam of glorious light and Snape Cat
In-Reply-To: <ertj8f+t3v7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ervks7+hqn7@eGroups.com>

Ginger:
> Anyway, to answer your question:  Yes, they have all been read and 
> sorted.  
> 
> I'm sure Debbie could use your machete.  I'm not quite ready for it, 
> but I'll keep you in mind should I need advise on things.

Jen: Okay, cool, I'll start with Snape.  And it sounds like you've got 
it all under control without me being able to add much but if you reach 
the point of needing help definitely let me know. 


> Thanks, Ginger, whose stomach and thighs might be on the 10 o'clock 
> news tonight.  (we had a 100th b-day party for a lady at church, and 
> the camera man was filming the cake as I was cutting it.  I tried to 
> stand back so as not to be in the picture, but that's hard to do when 
> you're my size.)

Jen: Eek! Are your body parts famous now?

Debbie:
Actually, you're not limited to 2.4.1.5 and 2.4.1.9; all of the
subcats would benefit from a review. Take your choice, only I
wouldn't start with 2.4.1.9, because I think main Snape still has
some posts that belong there (it took me awhile to decide that this
should be the place for the DADA job, relationship with McGonagall,
etc. posts).

Let me know which one you want, and I'll pick another.

Jen: "I'll start from the top and take Snape & Love and Lollipops for 
200 dollars, Debbie."  (Hehe, I have an ulterior motive here, trying to 
figure out a motive which doesn't include Lily.)

Jen, hoping she remembers how to operate the database after a 6-month 
hiatus.