TBAY and diversity, continued and long

[Haggridd]

--- In HPFGU-Feedback at yahoogroups.com, "Doriane" <delwynmarch at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Sorry for being so late to answer this, but real life holidays 
kept me
> off the Net for a whole week now (not to mention that I wouldn't 
stand
> a chance of winning a fight with my husband for the use of the home
> computer, but he's away right now, so... <jk> ;-)
> 


I'm glad you did.   The various posts defending your position helped 
me understand that our views are actually quite close on these 
matters, after all.

> Haggridd wrote:

> 
> >  A great part of the charm of reading the book is to see the 
diffent 
> > modes of expressing the same ideas ON THEIR OWN TERMS.  
Likewise, 
> > understanding a post from a liste from Israel, on the poster's 
own 
> > terms, is more enjoyable simply for the difference of mindset 
and 
> > backrground, and how it afects the language of the post.
> 
> I'd like to point out that you've only expressed your own opinion. 
I'm
> pretty sure that there are people on this list, like in every 
social
> group, who don't want to be bothered with understanding another
> poster's background or mindset. They rarely show it on this list
> because it's not the spirit of the list, but I'm sure some people
> won't read a post from an Israeli listee if it requires them to 
accept
> another mindset. And I myself was doing exactly that with the TBAY
> posts, before I realised what I was doing.
> 

On the above point, I would maintain that those who could not be 
bothered to see things from the originator's point of view either 
ignore those post s they don't understand, or change their ways. I 
have little sympathy for them.

> > The same with this invention of yours, the WCAS-- which is by no 
> > means as homogenousor monolithic as you would make it.
> 
> Wow, sorry it angered you that much... And no, I wouldn't make it
> monolithic. In fact, I probably wouldn't make it at all, if I had 
to
> explain it in details :-)
> 

 No, please forgive me if you got the impression I was angry.  A 
forceful and enthusiastic argument on my part does not mean I am 
angry.  I still think that there is more variation even wthin 
Western Europe than you contend, but it is an intellectual 
objection.  I am not offended and we are not at war.  I need to 
learn more diplomatic phrasing.  Sorry.

> > Why force all listees into the same mold, one of which that 
> > the "inclusivity police would approve?
> 
> ??? That goes completely against my purpose ! In the name of
> inclusivity, I request that nobody be forced into a specific mold,
> that nobody be expected to understand the books in a specific way,
> even if that way happens to be the hugely majoritarian way of
> understanding of the listees as a whole. 
> 
I can agree with that, provided that you also conced that nobody be 
expecteded to write their posts in a specific way, theirby forcing 
the writr into a specific preconceived mold.

> Del, who thanks Dicentra for defending her :-)

Yes, Dicenta, they were compelling, presuasive and clariying posts.  
I thank you as well\.

Haggridd