From the main list: discussion of Movie policy

[hpfgu_elves]

108001
From:  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at ...>
Date:  Wed Jul 28, 2004  2:31 pm
Subject:  Re: ADMIN: Posting Rule Change - No Movie Discussion on 
Main List


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "hpfgu_elves"
<hpfgu_elves at y...> wrote:
> Attention, please!
>
If you wish to post about the
> films, even if you are using them as support for a book-related
> point, please direct your post to the Movie list:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie
>

Geoff:
Which means that we may have to start playing leapfrog between lists.
I also belong to the Movie group but, because I have limited time and
I concentrate on the main list, I get to that group about once a
month. It is draconian to suggest that /any/ film support is off-
limits. For example, is it now going to be ruled that C S Lewis or J
R R Tolkien as inadmissable? Surely the elves, by virtue of their
elevated status, can be allowed to exercise their own discretion as
to whether a reference to the films exceeds a permitted percentage of
the post?


108031
From:  "sad1199" <sad1199 at ...>
Date:  Wed Jul 28, 2004  7:04 pm
Subject:  Re: ADMIN: Posting Rule Change - No Movie Discussion on 
Main List


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "hpfgu_elves"
> <hpfgu_elves at y...> wrote:
> > Attention, please!
> >
> If you wish to post about the
> > films, even if you are using them as support for a book-related
> > point, please direct your post to the Movie list:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie
> >
>
> Geoff:
> Which means that we may have to start playing leapfrog between 
lists.
> Surely the elves, by virtue of their
> elevated status, can be allowed to exercise their own discretion as
> to whether a reference to the films exceeds a permitted percentage 
of
> the post?

sad1199 here:

I am one of those who do not use the movies in discussion because
1. The movies are changed for viewing; whether scenes are changed,
shortened or romanticized and whether or not JKR approves of those
changes, there are still CHANGES from the books. 2. Not using the
movies for my opinion, I am sometimes confused when a poster uses a
point or scene from the movies. 3. The Home Page of this group
clearly states that discussion is for Harry Potter BOOKS. So, I am
sorry if others are not happy with this decision by the elves but,
I, for one, am quite relieved with it.

Have a Happy Love Filled Day sad1199


108133
From:  "Geoff Bannister" <gbannister10 at ...>
Date:  Thu Jul 29, 2004  3:44 pm
Subject:  Re: ADMIN: Posting Rule Change - No Movie Discussion on 
Main List


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sad1199" <sad1199 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
> <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:

Geoff:
> > Which means that we may have to start playing leapfrog between
> > lists. Surely the elves, by virtue of their elevated status, can
> > be allowed to exercise their own discretion as to whether a
> > reference to the films exceeds a permitted percentage of the 
post?

sad1199:
>
> I am one of those who do not use the movies in discussion because
> 1. The movies are changed for viewing; whether scenes are changed,
> shortened or romanticized and whether or not JKR approves of those
> changes, there are still CHANGES from the books. 2. Not using the
> movies for my opinion, I am sometimes confused when a poster uses a
> point or scene from the movies. 3. The Home Page of this group
> clearly states that discussion is for Harry Potter BOOKS. So, I am
> sorry if others are not happy with this decision by the elves but,
> I, for one, am quite relieved with it.

Geoff:
I agree that there are changes from the books, but remember that Jo
Rowling has oversight of what goes on; she has been interviewed
together with Steven Kloves and has commented on the screenplays. To
try to have no comment whatever on the films ignores the fact that
often, the films point up something in the books. I have often been
drawn back to check things on the books when involved in talking
about HP films. I have been a Lord of the Rings addict for nigh on 50
years and I find that, in discussions, will often refer to the films
to underscore a point.

You are also being inconsistent. Playing devil's advocate, if the
group exists solely to discuss the Harry Potter books, then we should
not even be considering what JKR has said on her website or
speculating on the content of Books 6 & 7 because they do not fall
into this remit until they are published and actually become books!

108166
From:  "sad1199" <sad1199 at ...>
Date:  Thu Jul 29, 2004  9:52 pm
Subject:  Re: ADMIN: Posting Rule Change - No Movie Discussion on 
Main List


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
<gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "sad1199" <sad1199 at y...>
wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister"
> > <gbannister10 at a...> wrote:
>
> Geoff:
> > > Which means that we may have to start playing leapfrog between
> > > lists. Surely the elves, by virtue of their elevated status, 
can
> > > be allowed to exercise their own discretion as to whether a
> > > reference to the films exceeds a permitted percentage of the 
post?
>
> sad1199:
> >
> > I am one of those who do not use the movies in discussion because
> > 1. The movies are changed for viewing; whether scenes are 
changed,
> > shortened or romanticized and whether or not JKR approves of 
those
> > changes, there are still CHANGES from the books. 2. Not using the
> > movies for my opinion, I am sometimes confused when a poster 
uses a
> > point or scene from the movies. 3. The Home Page of this group 
> > clearly states that discussion is for Harry Potter BOOKS. So, I 
am
> > sorry if others are not happy with this decision by the elves 
but,
> > I, for one, am quite relieved with it.
>
> Geoff:
> I agree that there are changes from the books, but remember that Jo
> Rowling has oversight of what goes on; she has been interviewed 
> together with Steven Kloves and has commented on the screenplays. 
To
> try to have no comment whatever on the films ignores the fact that
> often, the films point up something in the books. I have often been
> drawn back to check things on the books when involved in talking
> about HP films. I have been a Lord of the Rings addict for nigh on 
50
> years and I find that, in discussions, will often refer to the 
films
> to underscore a point.
>
> You are also being inconsistent. Playing devil's advocate, if the
> group exists solely to discuss the Harry Potter books, then we 
should
> not even be considering what JKR has said on her website or
> speculating on the content of Books 6 & 7 because they do not fall
> into this remit until they are published and actually become books!

sad1199 again:
Well, I am certainly not going to argue about this but, I hold
firm with my opinion. As for playing devil's advocate; discussing
future Harry Potter BOOKS or relatimg what JKR has said or posted in
regards to her BOOKS is as much part of the discussion as discussing
the current BOOKS. If someone has another comment fine but, I will
not be responding again. Thank you.

Have a Happy Love Filled Day. sad1199