[HPFGU-Feedback] Re: Threading problem in the new Yahoo interface

susiequsie23 susiequsie23 at cubfanbudwoman.yahoo.invalid
Thu Oct 19 00:00:30 UTC 2006


Alla:
>> Oh, I am sooo computer unsophisticated to put it mildly, but to test
>> your magic *30* I just counted the posts in this thread
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159895
>>
>> Here a_svirn replies to mine, which Yahoomort does not bother to show
>> already and I counted 29, or am I math challenged also? :)


Neri:
> I've counted twice and got 30 each time...
>
> However, probably additional posts were added to this thread since you
> wrote the above, so I'm not saying you were wrong. 30 or 29, it's
> obvious there's a problem. The question is what do we do about it.
>
> Do the elves have any connection with Yahoomort? How do we file a
> notice about a bug? We are the largest Yahoo Group, aren't we? We have
> the power to change things.


SSSusan:
Neri, this has driven a lot of us nuts since Yahoo!Groups first introduced 
it's "New and **coughNOTcough** Improved" version of Y!Gs a few months ago. 
I *loved* the old "Up Thread" and "Down Thread" buttons, and I have found 
the new system very confusing and inconsistent.  I also find the 
indentations they use to show the entire thread less than helpful -- I don't 
think the offsets are quite deep enough and find it hard to actually tell 
what's indented.

When I say consistency, I mean this:

If you look in this message
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159904
and click on "Show Message Option," you will see "Up Thread" there... and 
clicking on it DOES, in fact, take you to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159900
and clicking on "Up Thread" in that message does, in fact, take you to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159895
and etc.

This is wonderful -- it's what I remember from before -- but that "Up 
Thread" option under "Show Message Option" is NOT always present.

For instance, in this post of Eddie's,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159906
even though it's a continuation of a thread ["Sevens"], it has a new subject 
line, and there is no "Up Thread" option available.

Similarly, this post from Jordan, which *kept* the name of that thread 
["Sevens"]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159894
also does not have the "Up Thread" option.   Perhaps it's because Jordan 
sent the post via email and not webview?  I don't know.  That's the part 
I've not investigated.  So, while I say the "Up Thread" option is there 
inconsistently, it may actually be that there's a very real, consistent 
pattern to when it's available, but I've not figured it out.

Then again, this post of Jordan's in a different thread
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159822
*does* show the "Up Thread" option.  So what does that mean??

And my last post was posted from webview as a reply
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/159790
and yet it does not show the "Up Thread" option.
Sigh....  WHO KNOWS?!!?!?

I guess if I have to say something nice <g>, I *do* like the feature where 
you can expand the messages and actually read the content of each post in 
the thread if you like -- that saves a lot of clicking, at least.

Enough commiserating.  To your questions.

Yes, I do think we are the largest Y!G.  And, yes, we do have a contact or 
two that a couple of members of our list admin team can use (and have used) 
to express concerns & make requests.  And while those folks have been great 
about listening and being in touch with us, it's not like we have any 
"power" to wield with them.  I know we did gripe very loudly about a couple 
of the features, and they put them back aright pretty quickly, but it may 
have been that folks from many Y!Gs were similarly concerned and let them 
know it.

What typically happens is that we let a contact know about an issue we're 
worried about or feel could be improved and then wait for a response. :) 
For instance, Y!Gs currently limits the number of moderators a group can 
have to 15.  For most groups, this is way more than adequate.  For a group 
like HPfGU, it is actually inadequate.  When we have a full complement of 
elves working on pending messages (like we've needed to w/ this recent HUGE 
surge in membership), we would like to have as many elves as possible with 
moderator privileges, and 15 doesn't quite cut it.  We've reported this, 
asked if it can be changed, and have been told that it likely can be... but 
that it may not be addressed very quickly.  So, while we can certainly 
report our concerns and gripe to the PTB about what annoys us, we're still 
at the mercy of those PTB as to what they feel is high enough priority to 
require their attention.

I would be happy to pass this concern on to the list admin's group, for 
those who aren't following Feedback, and see if someone can then pass it on 
to the Y!G contact.  Additionally, I think the more people who, as 
individuals, write to those PTB themselves, the better.

There is a link at the bottom left of the Y!G homepage under "Send us 
feedback" that you can use:
http://groups.yahoo.com/

Siriusly Snapey Susan





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