SHIPpiness in the Movie

[Penny & Bryce]

Hi --

I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree about Emma's performance, 
Barb.  There is apparently room for disagreement since some reviewers 
have really been taken with her, while others have not. I guess I'm 
somewhere in the middle.  I don't think she was stand-out by any means, 
but I liked her performance well enough.  I do hope she'll add more 
depth to Hermione in the coming novels because Hermione does really come 
into her own by PoA.  I hope Emma's statement in the Couric special that 
she "hates" Hermione was not the case (she did lots of other interviews 
where she said she's alot like Hermione ... I hope she was being more 
truthful then).

As for the SHIPpy stuff ... I'll start out by saying I was mainly being 
light-hearted.  Ahem.  But, I can certainly expound more on what I was 
referring to.  Before I do that though, I do want to note that I am not 
totally out in left field on this one.  For one thing, several 
no-shippers have been jumping over to the H/H ship *based on the Movie.* 
  And, while critic Elvis Mitchell didn't have much that he liked about 
the movie overall in his review in the NY Times on Friday, he did notice 
this much:

>  > The other child actors shine, too. Ms. Watson has the sass and
>> smarts to suggest she might cast a spell of her own on Harry in the
>>  coming years 

So, I may be in left field.  But, I'm not out there by myself.  <g>

Barb wrote:


> I snipped a bunch of your comments about H/H because they frankly
> baffled me.  I only noticed one fairly clear H/H moment, which I'll
> get to.  The chess scene struck me as inarguably R/H, especially
> since Hermione's first impulse was to run to Ron as soon as he fell.

Actually, I didn't make many H/H comments in my long review (mostly 
parenthetical asides)... and it seems you didn't snip any of them after 
all.  :--)  That's okay since I don't mind elaborating on what I was 
thinking about.  I see Cassie has already said what I would say re: the 
post-Chess scene.  Hermione & Harry are *both* concerned & worried about 
Ron.  That's natural.  I see no R/H in that at all.  But, my personal 
interpretation of the speech to Harry about being a great wizard was H/H 
(actually, to be technical, it's more FITD in that I see evidence that 
she may have the beginnings of a crush on Harry).  She looks at him 
rather meaningfully & it's that pan back to her face as he's leaving 
that seals the deal as far as I'm concerned. Sorry it made your teeth 
hurt, but I thought her speech was one of her stronger moments.  I think 
the fact that the camera moved back to her face could be significant. 
Just my opinion though.

Me: I do note, however, that they did seem
>  > to seat Harry next to Hermione & on that side of the table for all
>  > scenes in the Great Hall (anything H/H there?).  :--)
> 
Barb: > Doubtful.  I think it was just a continuity problem.

Um .... I was *really* kidding with that one.  I don't think the seating 
means anything either way.  :--D

Re: the Troll incident.  Cassie took the words out of my mouth.  It's 
*Harry* who asks about Hermione.  Ron looks like he could care less. 
It's Harry who (as in the book) grabs Ron's arm & says: "Hermione, she 
doesn't know!"  That's Hero Harry I agree.  But, it is when Hermione 
screams out "Help!" in a very damsel-in-distress moment that Harry gets 
a determined look on his face & rushes the Troll.

> 
 And remember, it's actually Ron who saves her (and
> Harry) by levitating the troll's club using the charm that Hermione
> was coaching him on (he was sitting next to her in Charms, too, or
> is did that escape your notice, Penny?).

I admit to being more than a bit taken aback by the sarcasm.  Like I 
said, I was very much kidding about the seating arrangements.  I only 
mentioned it because you commented on the switch in seats during the 
Welcome Feast.  I had noticed this too, and the 3rd time I saw the movie 
I did make a mental note that they seemed to have always placed Hermione 
to Harry's right & across the table from Ron in all the Great Hall 
scenes.  I don't think this *means* anything -- I just noticed it 
because the switch made no sense to me.

> 
>  > Okay, here goes my inner H/H shipper again.
>  > Anyone else notice that Hermione says "Trust me," and Harry
>  > immediately falls through to safety whereas Ron gets even more
>  > entangled?  ::wicked laughter:::
> 
> I think this is just indicative of Harry's personality again.  He's
> very much my mind-over-matter Harry in the movie. <g>

You could be right.  But, my inner H/H shipper is entitled to be 
delighted all the same.  :--)

> 
>  > Pre-dinner scene between the Trio: heh, heh, heh.  That is *all*
>  > my inner H/H shipper will say on this score.  :::sweet smile:::
> 
> Now you've really lost me.  Did you not notice that Ron and Hermione
> were hanging out alone together?  Hmm?  I thought this scene was
> unnecessary anyway, but maybe that's just me.

Cassie was correct in interpreting what I was referring to.  Hermione 
just gives Harry a rather significant look when she beams "Never 
better."  It just made me smile.

In a later message, Barb said:

> Looking for signs
> of future Potterverse shipping in this film is futile, I believe.

Possibly, although Cassie is under the impression that some people 
associated with the film do know the future direction of canon.  *If* 
that's true, then there is something there.  I think Kloves has a 
definite preference.  I could, of course, be off-base on both counts.

  
> I would say that there is no hidden meaning in Harry being moved to
> the same side of the table as Hermione,

Agreed!


Penny