From tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 02:49:31 2001 From: tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com (tenpinkpiggies at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:49:31 -0000 Subject: Steven Spielburg disses the movie In-Reply-To: <9n6kbl+orae@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rig3r+dj93@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., kabuki_darling at h... wrote: > I just heard on the radio a major insult from Spielburg, about the > upcoming HP movie. It went something like this: > '"The Harry Potter is too easy, I purposely passed on the chance to > direct it. At this point in my career, I need a challenge. I want to > film more...authentic films. Harry Potter is like ducks in a barrel > (*what does that mean?*). It'd be taking a million dollars to put in > my bank."' You get the gist. We all know that he just didn't like > that they didn't want Haley Joel Osman for Harry Potter. And what's > this about authentic? As if his little alien films are much more > authentic? Don't get me wrong I think he's made some great movies but > still... > > Sylph Well, I suppose this just hints at the fact the the right director got the job (she says with crossed fingers and baited breath). ps. "Shooting at ducks in a barrel" = doing something that is so easy for one that it is unfair, or at least profoundly unchallenging. Cheers, -Cornflower O'Shea ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* "Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!" - Albus Dumbledore ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~* From nethilia at yahoo.com Mon Oct 29 15:00:30 2001 From: nethilia at yahoo.com (Tasha--Nethilia) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:00:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1 In-Reply-To: <1004355511.94.36899.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20011029150030.55601.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> > Well, I suppose this just hints at the fact the the > right director > got the job (she says with crossed fingers and > baited breath). > > ps. "Shooting at ducks in a barrel" = doing > something that is so easy > for one that it is unfair, or at least profoundly > unchallenging. > Cheers, > -Cornflower O'Shea Isn't it shooting fish in a barrel? And Spielburg disturbs me. --Neht ===== --Nethilia de Lobo-- 79% obsessed with Harry Potter Wand: Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches **Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus.** http://www.geocities.com/spenecial Spenecial.com. Two girls. One Website. Total Chaos. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From heidit at netbox.com Mon Oct 29 15:09:53 2001 From: heidit at netbox.com (heidit at netbox.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:09:53 -0000 Subject: New article in Sydney Morning Herald Message-ID: <9rjrg1+suhs@eGroups.com> Tabouli just posted to the main list a link to an article in today's Sydney Morning Herald: Here's the URL: > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/29/entertainment/entertain1.html Tabouli also wrote: > Now I wonder where this interview took place, given that it's > in the Sydney Morning Herald? Does anyone more obsessed than > me know? I did muse that the article is brimming with some > quite serious spoilers, particularly for anyone who hasn't > read CoS. And the LOONs among us will note that she > professes a loathing for loopholes and inconsistencies... tsk. There's also a link to a purported interview with Harry - http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/29/entertainment/entertain3.html The fake interview is, of course, inaccurate and would offend JKR's inconsistency meter, as it interviews a 15 year old Harry, when every LOON and wanabealoon knows that he's 21. Oh well - at least the bottom says, "Ministry Of Magic warning: as Scott Ellis is a graduate of The Slytherin School Of Journalism and lives with Rita Skeeter, his articles should be mistrusted." Nice to see a paper with a good sense of humor. From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Mon Oct 29 18:39:25 2001 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:39:25 -0800 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New article in Sydney Morning Herald In-Reply-To: <9rjrg1+suhs@eGroups.com> References: <9rjrg1+suhs@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <1657603762.20011029103925@mindspring.com> Monday, October 29, 2001, 7:09:53 AM, heidit at netbox.com wrote: hnc> There's also a link to a purported interview with Harry - hnc> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/29/entertainment/entertain3.html hnc> The fake interview is, of course, inaccurate and would offend JKR's hnc> inconsistency meter, as it interviews a 15 year old Harry, when every hnc> LOON and wanabealoon knows that he's 21. Oh well - at least the hnc> bottom says, "Ministry Of Magic warning: as Scott Ellis is a graduate hnc> of The Slytherin School Of Journalism and lives with Rita Skeeter, hnc> his articles should be mistrusted." Nice to see a paper with a good hnc> sense of humor. The LOON-adopted Timeline is widely accepted, but it is *not* Canon! I believe the evidence of Nick's Deathday cake is inconclusive, and other factors like the full moon on the night Wormtail escapes and Dudley's potentially anachronistic Playstation are more critical. (See my posts in the main HP4GU List on the Timeline issue.) -- Dave From MMMfanfic at hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 21:08:49 2001 From: MMMfanfic at hotmail.com (MMMfanfic at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:08:49 -0000 Subject: Alan Rickman on Snape Message-ID: <9rkgh1+dq3v@eGroups.com> I've been lurking in the Rickman fanpage and guess what I find ... an interview on his role in HP, which has to be a first I think. (The first part of the article is just some background info so I'll skip it and go straight to the interview.) Unreel Magazine, issue 19 Oct/Dec Interviewed by Jaspre Bark Q: Can you tell us a little about your character Profesor Snape? AR: Well, he's professor of Potions and the current head of Slytherin House at Hogwarts - the school of wizardry that Harry attends, but he harbours a secret ambition to be a Professor of the Dark Arts. He isn't that taken with Harry though, probably because he finds him a little too popular for a first-year pupil, I suppose. I think at heart Snape is basically quite an insecure person, he's always longing to be something else that people will really respect, like a black magician, not just a school master. That's why he envies the popular and successful boys like Harry. He does have his positive side though, even though Harry's a thorn in his side, he doesn't let it worry him too much. Q: In the earlier part of your life you were also in a profession that you wanted to get out of so you could become something else that people would respect more, do you think this was the element of yourself that you brought to the part of Snape? AR: Hmm, that's an interesting question, I'm not sure I can answer it. I don't know if that's for me to judge, you'd have to ask the people around me... family and colleagues. You use yourself in everything you do, but at the same time you've got to have a very clear idea of another person. Otherwise I don't see how you can hand yourself over to it. He's not me. And also perhaps at particular times in your life you recognise certain parts as being closer to you now than they might have been five years ago. But no, every part has to have its own life to me - it isn't just me wiping myself across a stage or screen. Q: Professor Snape is also a Quidditch referee, does that mean you've now mastered all of the game's rules? AR: No, and I don't intend to. [aw!] Q: This first Harry Potter movie has a mainly British cast even though it's a Hollywood film. You've been quite outspoken on the problems with the British film industry, was it refreshing to be working with so many fellow Brits? AR: The thing I like best about working with British actors is the approach they take to their work. Because they're not as likely to become famous making British films, they don't have as inflated a sense of their own importance as some American stars can develop. It's like [director] Chris [Columbus] said: 'there's not a sense of ego with any of the stars, none of that Hollywood stuff. Everyone just comes in to do their work. Nobody has a cook or a peronal trainer', I think everyone found that refreshing. Q: So what is it like to be a British actor working mainly in Hollywood, then? AR: When you get off the plane in England you've got to shrug a little bit, hug yourself into your coat a bit more. I stand straighter in LA. It's something about how the English are brought up, and what we're told we can expect. Maybe it's because I drive a car in LA, and I don't here. I feel more in charge of myself. I wouldn't dream of being out there as an actor looking for work. To actually say 'OK, I'm going to pitch a tent here and wave a flag saying EMPLOY ME' - I couldn't do that. But I enjoy being there: it's disgusting and wonderful. Like going to Dunkin' Donuts for lunch every day. Q: Director Chris Columbus said his young daughter Elenaor was a great help as an unofficial consultant on the film because she was such a big fan of the Hary Potter books. Did you have any young consultants yourself? AR: My two young nieces Claire and Amy have both read the books, I didn't consult them on my performance but I like to spend time with them whenever I can. We do all these daft things - movies, McDonald's, Hamleys. One time I told them we'd walk through Hamleys to choose one thing each. They marched straight to the Barbie counter - I couldn't believe it -hideous little dolls with pointed legs and breasts. My sister doesn't dress them in pink or bows. However, if I had children, I'd like to think I'd let them wear whatever they wanted. None of my friends would believe me, but I'd let them walk down the road in pink Lurex and gold plastic. Q: Or attend a school for wizardry and witchcraft? AR: Even that. Q: Alan thank you very much for your [time?] and good luck with the film. AR: Thank you, it's been a pleasure. From john at walton.vu Mon Oct 29 21:26:46 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:26:46 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: HP Convention? Message-ID: If anybody is interested in exploring the possibilities of holding a Harry Potter convention, please head on over to HPFGU-Convention, where we're discussing it! www.yahoogroups.com/group/HPFGU-Convention --John ____________________________________________ "One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place." -'Mick Travers', Malcolm McDowell's character in "If..." (1968) John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From MalfoyChicka3121 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 21:56:11 2001 From: MalfoyChicka3121 at aol.com (MalfoyChicka3121 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:56:11 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Alan Rickman on Snape Message-ID: <62.161f0130.290f2a7b@aol.com> omg, (hi, i'm new to this and the HP grownups lists) i think alan rickman is such an awesome pick for snape. actually i think snape is kinda obnoxious is the books, but i think he's gonna be awesome w/ rickman playing him. he is such a wonderful actor in Die Hard and Galaxy Quest. i dont know what it is, i think he is so cool ~Chelse~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nlpnt at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 00:46:56 2001 From: nlpnt at yahoo.com (nlpnt at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:46:56 -0000 Subject: Timeline, was SMH article In-Reply-To: <1657603762.20011029103925@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <9rkta0+do9q@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Dave Hardenbrook wrote: > > Monday, October 29, 2001, 7:09:53 AM, heidit at n... wrote: > > hnc> There's also a link to a purported interview with Harry - > hnc> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0110/29/entertainment/entertain3.html > hnc> The fake interview is, of course, inaccurate and would offend JKR's > hnc> inconsistency meter, as it interviews a 15 year old Harry, when every > hnc> LOON and wanabealoon knows that he's 21. Oh well - at least the > hnc> bottom says, "Ministry Of Magic warning: as Scott Ellis is a graduate > hnc> of The Slytherin School Of Journalism and lives with Rita Skeeter, > hnc> his articles should be mistrusted." Nice to see a paper with a good > hnc> sense of humor. > > The LOON-adopted Timeline is widely accepted, but it is *not* > Canon! I believe the evidence of Nick's Deathday cake is > inconclusive, and other factors like the full moon on the night > Wormtail escapes and Dudley's potentially anachronistic Playstation > are more critical. (See my posts in the main HP4GU List on the > Timeline issue.) > > -- > Dave Of course, the chance of WB having forked out the extra time and effort (to say nothing of losing the movie's only product-placement opportunities) to backdate the Muggle-world sets to 1991 are somewhere between slim and none....we'll probably be lucky not to see any anachronisms in the baby Harry scenes From john at walton.vu Tue Oct 30 02:51:23 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 02:51:23 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: Remember: All HPFGU netiquette rules apply here Message-ID: ::flexes wand:: It's great that people are starting to use this list! Hooray for HPFGU-Movie! Ahem. ::menacing look:: Please remember that, as with ALL HPFGU groups, you must adhere to our netiquette rules. These include what we like to refer to as "Typing Like A Grownup". Yep, that's right, lots of us are crotchety old people who enjoy the use of common conventions on writing. (Hey, our eyes are giving out. We have to be able to read your posts!) Here are some pointers: * We just *love* punctuation. Yep, that's right, commas, periods/full stops, apostrophes -- they're all great. Just so long as you use them in the right place! * Capital Letters. Without Sounding Like A.A. Milne, we love it when folks use capital letters at the beginning of sentences...and occasionally for EMPHASIS. Capital letters should also be used for acronyms, particularly web-specific ones like IIRC (If I Remember Correctly), AFAIK (As Far As I Know) and so on. 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Cheers, --John, for the Magical Mod Squad __________________________________ The HPforGrownups Moderator Team MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Please read our Admin Files, particularly the VFAQ and Netiquette files! www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 04:47:25 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (Marcus ) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:47:25 -0000 Subject: A lesson I learned long ago Message-ID: <9rlbct+pvui@eGroups.com> About 30 years ago, I attended a very short (maybe an hour) class on Art Appreciation. I have long forgotten almost all that was said, but one thing has stuck with me. The teacher made the comment that most people think that an artist's ultimate goal is photo-realism. This is a false notion. Most great artists achieved that very early in their careers. So where to go from there? Most start trying to express ideas in different ways. He illustrated this by showing us a painting of a man that was quite good. He then turned the painting upside down. The painting became three blotches of color, nothing more. It was quite amazing. What has this to do with the first Harry Potter movie, you ask? Simple. Steven Spielberg. The first Harry Potter movie would likely bore him. He has done this kind of movie over and over and over again. There would be no challenge. That attitude would show through. Now Chris Columbus cares passionately about HP. He cares about canon. He cares about the kids. So which director would you want to do HP? One who has done this sort of movie so many times, he's bored; or one who is dying to do it? In short, be a little more forgiving of Spielberg. He made an honest choice and gave the honest reason. You would prefer he lie? Marcus From WatermelonSugar7 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 14:51:01 2001 From: WatermelonSugar7 at aol.com (WatermelonSugar7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:51:01 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A lesson I learned long ago Message-ID: <15f.314cb21.29101855@aol.com> This is not so much a Speilburg/Columbus post, as one to address the phot realism issue. The two directors made their choices and they and we will just have to live with it. Speilburg may now or later regret his choice, but we'll never know, truly, how important a decision it was personally and what unknown personal resons he may not have chosen to share. I am looking forward to the movie. I am looking forward to the discussions of it. What does concern me is that we all most assuredly have our own ideas of what everything should be like at Hogwarts, and with the characters. I've already heard from one person and know another, a theater manager who have seen the movie. Without going into detail, their opinions were like night and day. Why am I writing this? I guess to express the hope that we can all share ideas, and do the usual "pick it apart" without stepping on anyone's pleasure..I've purposedly avoided the person who had the negative opinion already. I know John has already stepped in with official reminders, so this is really notall that pertinent. But persoanally , as corny as it sounds, I do want to "live the magic" a bit! ~Ashleigh An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is only an adventure wrongly considered . - G.K. Chesterton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de Tue Oct 30 15:26:29 2001 From: b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de (b.jebenstreit at biologie.uni-bielefeld.de) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:26:29 -0000 Subject: Steven Spielburg disses the movie In-Reply-To: <9n6kbl+orae@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rmgr5+7ak0@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., kabuki_darling at h... wrote: > I just heard on the radio a major insult from Spielburg, about the > upcoming HP movie. It went something like this: > '"The Harry Potter is too easy, I purposely passed on the chance to > direct it. At this point in my career, I need a challenge. I want to > film more...authentic films. Harry Potter is like ducks in a barrel > (*what does that mean?*). It'd be taking a million dollars to put in > my bank."' Is there an English equivalent to the German saying: "The fox scorned the grapes - that he could not reach - as to sour."? If not: its easy to say something is bad - if you don?t have it. Is he actually against earning money? In his defense - he might attempt to say that he made enough money for a lifetime and can take the leisure to make more movies like "Schindler?s list". In which case he did not express himself to well. You get the gist. We all know that he just didn't like > that they didn't want Haley Joel Osman for Harry Potter. And what's > this about authentic? As if his little alien films are much more > authentic? Don't get me wrong I think he's made some great movies but > still... Haley Joel Osman is a great actor. But I cannot picture him as Harry. Danile Radcliff might not be perfect - but he is closer than Osman. Ethanol From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 18:22:33 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (Marcus ) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:22:33 -0000 Subject: Steven Spielburg disses the movie In-Reply-To: <9rmgr5+7ak0@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rmr59+410s@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., b.jebenstreit at b... wrote: > Is there an English equivalent to the German saying: "The fox scorned > the grapes - that he could not reach - as to sour."? > Ethanol The English version is usually just shortened to "sour grapes." It comes from the Aesop's fable. It could have been sour grapes on his part, but I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's face it, he phrased it horribly. Of course there is the possibility of the reporter pulling a "Rita Skeeter." I am not suggesting they made it up. I am pointing out that what he said may have been taken out of context to create a controversy. Marcus From vderark at bccs.org Tue Oct 30 21:09:10 2001 From: vderark at bccs.org (Steve Vander Ark) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:09:10 -0000 Subject: what canon means In-Reply-To: <1657603762.20011029103925@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <9rn4tm+tmr8@eGroups.com> > > The LOON-adopted Timeline is widely accepted, but it is *not* > Canon! I believe the evidence of Nick's Deathday cake is > inconclusive, and other factors like the full moon on the night > Wormtail escapes and Dudley's potentially anachronistic Playstation > are more critical. (See my posts in the main HP4GU List on the > Timeline issue.) I think you misunderstand the term canon. You are right, the use of the c.1991 timeframe or any real-life time frame creates inconsistencies, but that it what is stated in the book, so it is canon. Canon doesn't mean that a fact is completely without inconsistencies. It means that it's clearly stated that way in the books. Although there are inconsistencies with it (there are inconsistencies all over the books on many topics), that date is very clearly stated. That doesn't meant that no debate is possible--heck, that's what we DO!--or that it will keep it's classification of being "canon" forever. Whether it will hold up over the next seven books will depend on what JKR says or writes to prove or disprove it. It is canon for now, imperfect though it may be, simply because it says it in the books. Hermione being born in 1980 falls into the same category. It says so in the books, therefore it's canon, even though there are extemely good arguments either way. We'll just have to wait and see. And when JKR decides and lets us know, what she tells us will be canon regardless of the excellent arguments the other way. Incidentally, the Playstation was available in Japan in 1994, so that isn't an anachronism. It fits the characters perfectly for Dudley to have received one before anyone else. And if we go with the astronomical/day of the week evidence, no set of years at any time will work. I know, I've tried to make it all fit and it simply doesn't. Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon From vderark at bccs.org Tue Oct 30 21:12:38 2001 From: vderark at bccs.org (Steve Vander Ark) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:12:38 -0000 Subject: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff Message-ID: <9rn546+c8dp@eGroups.com> S P O I L E R S P A C E According to the Times article, Peeves has been cut from the film, as has the entire Norbert up the tower escapade. The whole Peeves bit apparently just didn't work properly. We knew some things would be missing. I don't mind missing the dragon rescue, since the who deal of Harry et al getting punished and Hagrid no saying anything has always bothered me, but Peeves? *sigh* Now I wonder why they end up in the forest? Steve From firefightermichelle at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 21:17:18 2001 From: firefightermichelle at yahoo.com (Michelle) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:17:18 -0000 Subject: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff In-Reply-To: <9rn546+c8dp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rn5cu+pib7@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve Vander Ark" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > as has the entire Norbert up the tower escapade. But have they cut Norbert out? I mean, they reference him in other books ... and it seems to me that he is an integral part of Hagrid's character. Hmmm ... the way I see it, if they cut out the rescue, then they have to cut out Norbert althogether, because he can't just disappear. Can he? Michelle ;) From sherratt at mediaone.net Tue Oct 30 21:25:52 2001 From: sherratt at mediaone.net (sherratt at mediaone.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:25:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff Message-ID: <00be01c16189$7d888f80$54ac6041@computer.ne.mediaone.net> I don't think they can have cut out Norbert altogether. Surely we've seen pictures from the movie with Hagrid holding a dragon's egg, so Norbert's got to be in there somewhere. On the other hand, I don't care too much about Peeves - always found him a bit annoying. Wanda -----Original Message----- From: Michelle To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com But have they cut Norbert out? I mean, they reference him in other books ... and it seems to me that he is an integral part of Hagrid's character. Hmmm ... the way I see it, if they cut out the rescue, then they have to cut out Norbert althogether, because he can't just disappear. Can he? Michelle ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Note from the HPFGU Hexquarters: before posting, you MUST read our Admin Files! You can find them at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpforgrownups/ Warning -- this group contains spoilers! Questions, list-based or other? Contact the Mods at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com. Unsubscribing? Email hpfgu-movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at walton.vu Tue Oct 30 21:31:19 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:31:19 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff In-Reply-To: <9rn5cu+pib7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: Spoilers ahoy! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Michelle wrote: > But have they cut Norbert out? I mean, they reference him in other > books ... and it seems to me that he is an integral part of Hagrid's > character. Hmmm ... the way I see it, if they cut out the rescue, > then they have to cut out Norbert althogether, because he can't just > disappear. Can he? No, they haven't -- I've certainly seen parts of a trailer with Hagrid's oven-mitted hand being singed by a wee dragon. Perhaps they just make reference to it? --John ____________________________________________ "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup." -Anon. John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From adadi000 at student.mq.edu.au Tue Oct 30 21:35:40 2001 From: adadi000 at student.mq.edu.au (adadi000 at student.mq.edu.au) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:35:40 -0000 Subject: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff In-Reply-To: <9rn5cu+pib7@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rn6fc+bps5@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Michelle" wrote: > > S > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > A > > > > C > > > > E > > > > But have they cut Norbert out? I mean, they reference him in other books ... and it seems to me that he is an integral part of Hagrid's character. Hmmm ... the way I see it, if they cut out the rescue, then they have to cut out Norbert althogether, because he can't just disappear. Can he? Norbert's still there - the tv spot has a shot with Hagrid and Norbert, as well as a movie still I've seen which has the trio in Hagrid's house watching Hagrid holding the dragon egg. But how DO the gang end up in the forest, since smuggling Norbert from Hogwarts is the reason they are there? Hmmmm... Anna From cynthiaanncoe at home.com Tue Oct 30 23:53:28 2001 From: cynthiaanncoe at home.com (Cindy C.) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:53:28 -0000 Subject: Peeves & Spoiler Space Question (WAS SPOILER Time article: missing stuff) In-Reply-To: <9rn546+c8dp@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rneho+5tud@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve Vander Ark" wrote: > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > According to the Times article, Peeves has been cut from the film, > as has the entire Norbert up the tower escapade. The whole Peeves > bit apparently just didn't work properly. > I hope it won't offend anyone if I say I am pleased that Peeves ended up on the cutting room floor. Something had to go, and I've never really understood the point of Peeves. Maybe he can turn up in a future movie, but for now, he doesn't have a whole lot to do, so it might not be a great loss. Oh, and here's an administrative question. Do we have to do spoiler space on this list? Everyone who comes here knows we're discussing the movie, right? Cindy (who needs someone to quietly remind her how to replace her e- mail with her name under "author" on this new list) From michelleapostolides at lineone.net Tue Oct 30 23:57:31 2001 From: michelleapostolides at lineone.net (Michelle Apostolides) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:57:31 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Peeves & Spoiler Space Question (WAS SPOILER Time article: missing stuff) References: <9rneho+5tud@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <022301c1619e$a39d3300$90317bd5@tmeltcds> Oh, and here's an administrative question. Do we have to do spoiler space on this list? Everyone who comes here knows we're discussing the movie, right? We will need to have spoilers or at least very clear subject lines once the movie is released so as not to spoil it for those who may not see the movie as quickly as some. Michelle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mindyatime at juno.com Wed Oct 31 00:29:22 2001 From: mindyatime at juno.com (Mindy C.L.) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:29:22 -0500 Subject: Convention? Message-ID: <20011030.193925.-265415.64.MindyAtime@juno.com> Mods, please elaborate on what the convention is, before I join yet another Yahoogroup -- my inbox is bulging and needs to be put on a diet. From john at walton.vu Wed Oct 31 00:57:38 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:57:38 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Convention? In-Reply-To: <20011030.193925.-265415.64.MindyAtime@juno.com> Message-ID: Mindy C.L. wrote: > Mods, please elaborate on what the convention is, before I join yet > another Yahoogroup -- my inbox is bulging and needs to be put on a diet. (Sending this to the list in case anyone else was wondering) Ever heard of a Star Trek Convention? It's where a whole bunch of fans of a particular [whatever -- book series, genre, movie series] get together, usually over a long weekend, meet each other and talk about the fandom, and generally have a good time. Hope this helps -- oh, and in future, when you have a Mod question, please do email us at hpforgrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com and help keep *everybody's* inbox slimmer :D Cheers, --John ____________________________________________ "No good opera plot can be sensible, for people do not sing when they are feeling sensible." -W. H. Auden John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 03:54:39 2001 From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (Marcus ) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 03:54:39 -0000 Subject: Do we need spoiler notices? In-Reply-To: <022301c1619e$a39d3300$90317bd5@tmeltcds> Message-ID: <9rnslv+2d93@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Michelle Apostolides" wrote: > Oh, and here's an administrative question. Do we have to do spoiler > space on this list? Everyone who comes here knows we're discussing > the movie, right? > > We will need to have spoilers or at least very clear subject lines once the movie is released so as not to spoil it for those who may not see the movie as quickly as some. > > Michelle I do appreciate the notices about things being added or taken away. These are definitely needed before the movie is released. However, I think that the need for spoiler notices ends Nov 16. Anybody coming over here after that and not expecting spoilers is rather naive IMO. There will be tons of information given. The subject lines alone will give a lot away. How can you NOT have spoilers? I suspect it will be like the World Quidditch Cup when the MoM finally just gave up trying to keep magic under wraps. It just is too unenforceable after Nov 16. Marcus From neilward at dircon.co.uk Wed Oct 31 04:58:36 2001 From: neilward at dircon.co.uk (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 04:58:36 -0000 Subject: ADMIN: Spoilers here? Only until 16th November References: <9rnslv+2d93@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <08a701c161c8$b33912a0$563370c2@c5s910j> Various people have asked about spoiler space: 1. Please continue to use spoilers on anything that might spoil the film for others, up to and including the day of 16th November. 2. After 16th November, we'll assume that anyone taking part in discussions on this list is discussing a film they have already seen and that spoiler space is not, therefore, necessary. The avoidance of the need for spoiler space was one of the arguments for moving the discussions to a separate list. 3. To those of you who have joined here ahead of time and who are set to receive individual e-mails or digests at the moment, we suggest that you consider switching your settings to "Only special announcements" once the film is released in the UK and US, until you have had a chance to see it. If you don't do this, please bear in mind that every message posted here has the potential to spoil. 3a. "Only special announcements" is the same as "No email," except that the moderators can check special e-mails to be sent out to you, individually. In other words, you would not be e-mailed messages posted to the list, but you could still get any important ADMIN posts about list activity. Thanks Neil _____________________ Flying Ford Anglia Mechanimagus Moderator MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com From Schlobin1 at aol.com Wed Oct 31 07:04:28 2001 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (Schlobin1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:04:28 EST Subject: can't stand it! Message-ID: <79.1d549239.2910fc7c@aol.com> Okay, I can't stand it! I really want to see the movie, but won't the lines be dreadful? How long will it be before we're able to see the movie? Susan From tabouli at unite.com.au Wed Oct 31 08:50:19 2001 From: tabouli at unite.com.au (Tabouli) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:50:19 +1100 Subject: REMINDER: International release dates References: <1004443490.252.24743.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <001b01c161e9$12dc8280$b790aecb@price> Marcus: >> I do appreciate the notices about things being added or taken away. These are definitely needed before the movie is released. However, I think that the need for spoiler notices ends Nov 16. Anybody coming over here after that and not expecting spoilers is rather naive IMO. There will be tons of information given. The subject lines alone will give a lot away. How can you NOT have spoilers?<< (Tabouli clears her throat loudly and taps for attention with a large Australian flag) I don't want to make life hard for everyone here, but I'd like to point out that the movie release date is November 16th in the **US, UK and Canada only**. I realise that the great majority of listmembers do come from these three countries, but don't forget that the movie isn't released until two or more weeks later in Australia (29th), and I believe also in New Zealand and South Africa and various other countries. Now obviously the rest of you are going to be seeing the movie ASAP and I can't expect you to hold back on your excitement and desire to analyse it to bits on this list for two weeks for the sake of a small minority, but spare a thought for us as we gnash our teeth and pace the floor in impatience. I'm not sure how I'll deal with this problem myself: perhaps I'll just leave the digests in my mailbox for later reading, lest I end up hurling the keyboard out the window with envy and despair. Or go web-only access. Or just read 'em anyway, spoilers and all... Tabouli. From MMMfanfic at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 09:07:29 2001 From: MMMfanfic at hotmail.com (MMMfanfic at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:07:29 -0000 Subject: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9rof0h+df6c@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., John Walton wrote: > Spoilers ahoy! > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > Michelle wrote: > > > But have they cut Norbert out? I mean, they reference him in other > > books ... and it seems to me that he is an integral part of Hagrid's > > character. Hmmm ... the way I see it, if they cut out the rescue, > > then they have to cut out Norbert althogether, because he can't just > > disappear. Can he? There are a couple of ways: It is possible for them to convince Hagrid to 'get rid of Norbert' himself, then get in trouble when they want to make sure that Norbert is really gone. There are a couple of advantages in doing it this way: 1. Hagrid doesn't act OOC. 2. Avoid the Charlie Weasley connection and hence reduce the amount of subplot. Of course if it doesn't work, then Snape is always around if a detention needs to be given. From blpurdom at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 17:39:43 2001 From: blpurdom at yahoo.com (Barb) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:39:43 -0000 Subject: SPOILER Time article: missing stuff In-Reply-To: <9rof0h+df6c@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <9rpd0v+ckm9@eGroups.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., MMMfanfic at h... wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., John Walton wrote: > > Spoilers ahoy! > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * I suppose it wasn't completely necessary to have the rescuing-Norbert scene, but in addition to them needing to get in trouble in some way, the absence of this scene also means that there needs to be a different reason for Harry's Invisibility Cloak to be at the top of the tower. On the Peeves front, while I am not a poltergeist fan, does this mean that he will be introduced for the first time in CoS? He's actually rather pivotal in the second book (ghosts are in general, what with the Death Day Party and Moaning Myrtle). He sings to annoy Harry, he points a finger at him when people start getting Petrified...of course, I suppose Malfoy could execute these tasks quite nicely, ;) but it will be interesting to see whether Peeves will be completely dropped from the film version of the Potter series. --Barb From bray.262 at osu.edu Wed Oct 31 13:06:41 2001 From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:06:41 EST5EDT Subject: couple thoughts Message-ID: <47901B6155@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu> Well, I myself will be bummed not hearing Peeves cackle "ooh...ickle firsties." But, oh well. Has anyone read, seen or heard ANY reference as to if Bane, Firenze and...whathisname are going to be in the movie at all? You'd think we'd see something about them by now. Rachel Bray The Ohio State University Fees, Deposits and Disbursements For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! From john at walton.vu Wed Oct 31 21:21:26 2001 From: john at walton.vu (John Walton) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:21:26 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: New HPFGU Website Message-ID: That's right! Roll up, roll up! Actually, there's not much there at the moment -- we're working on it, though. The cool thing I just wanted to share with all of you is that, with the help of Joysie Elf, I've set up some shorter URLs for certain things. They will automatically redirect you to the appropriate place: www.hpfgu.org.uk/ www.hpfgu.org.uk/mainlist -- the HPforGrownups list www.hpfgu.org.uk/otchatter -- the OTChatter list www.hpfgu.org.uk/movie -- the Movie list www.hpfgu.org.uk/welcome -- the Welcome Message www.hpfgu.org.uk/files -- the Files Section www.hpfgu.org.uk/admin -- the Admin Files www.hpfgu.org.uk/vfaq -- the Very Frequently Asked Questions file www.hpfgu.org.uk/netiquette -- the Netiquette file If there are any others that you feel we should add, or if you have any suggestions at all for the website, please don't hesitate to drop me an email at john at walton.vu, that's john AT walton DOT vu for those of you on webmail, where YahGroops mangles email addresses :) Cheers folks, --John ____________________________________________ Remember: Socks then Shoes. John Walton -- john at walton.vu ____________________________________________ From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Wed Oct 31 21:26:00 2001 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:26:00 -0800 Subject: [HPforGrownups] MOVIE: TIME Magazine Nov 5. 2001 Issue In-Reply-To: <9rpicb+p7ak@eGroups.com> References: <9rpicb+p7ak@eGroups.com> Message-ID: <15458453987.20011031132600@mindspring.com> (Note -- I've cross-posted this to the movie List so the conversation can resume there after today...) Wednesday, October 31, 2001, 11:11:07 AM, Milz wrote: M> Spoiler Warning. M> Two of the biggest spoilers are: M> 1. No Peeves. M> 2. We don't see Ron's Mirror of Erised image. 3. I think the fact the we're only going to get the first half of the Norbert saga is significant: Will they leave it hanging how thet get rid of him? What does this foreshadow about the overall smoothness of the film's continuity? Will we be able to *tell* that the movie was trimmed from four hours down to 2-1/2?? -- Dave From DaveH47 at mindspring.com Wed Oct 31 21:29:42 2001 From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:29:42 -0800 Subject: Movie get-together? (Los Angeles area) Message-ID: <4958675912.20011031132942@mindspring.com> Hi all! Are there any HP fans in the Los Angeles/Orange County CA area who might be interested in a get-together to see the film? Please E-mail me at: JelliaJamb at mindspring.com -- Dave From jonathandupont at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 22:23:54 2001 From: jonathandupont at hotmail.com (jonathandupont at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:23:54 -0000 Subject: Ridiculous reviews Message-ID: <9rptlq+iquh@eGroups.com> This is just getting silly: - (No spoilers, btw - and I found it through the Leaky Cauldron) "The film was downright gorgeous! Fantastic! A masterpiece! A New York Times reviewer once claimed that the Harry Potter books were 'destined for greatness.' I say the same thing about this movie. ... I promise you, this is the BEST movie I have seen in years, better than Titanic, 50 times better than Star Wars Episode One or just Star Wars in general. ... This was just too much fun, I'm enjoying the experience of reading these books, and I enjoyed being a part of seeing the movie, which will undoubtedly become one of the BEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME! I cannot tell you how much I loved this movie." Full review - very interesting and much longer (and yes, it references pod racing in comparison to Quidditch - has any review not, so far?) but with some vague spoilers is at http://www.entertainment- rewired.com/103101_harrypottersecondreview.htm I hate it when hype gets this big... this movie is so going to be a disappointment, Jon