> I was stumbling around the internet trying to get the most recent

> interview or video footage of Dan Radcliffe in Japan (mentioned at

> the-leaky-cauldron.org). Still can't get it to work, but in the

> process I found the old interview they did via satellite.

I followed the link and clicked on a picture of Dan further down on the page 
and came up with a video.  No clue what it said beside it, it was Japanese, 
obviously. :)  The video didn't have much, just him arriving at the airport 
with a LOT of screaming fans.  I think someone asked him how it was being in 
Japan (for Pete's sake, he just walked off the plane!).  He said it was nice, 
naturally.

Now on Polyjuice:

> Fiona replies.......... Harry Ron and Hermione only took a mouthful 

> of the potion and most of it ended up on Moaning Myrtle's bathroom 

> floor..... could that be why it didn't affect their voices? They 

> hadn't drunk enough of it? Crouch/Moody on the other hand has to 

> make sure the transformation is complete so he makes sure he takes 

> the "full dose" every hour on the hour????

Here's an interesting question.  Ron and Hermione run off to the toilets saying 
they're going to be sick.  Which has got to be the stupidest possible way to 
get them out of the picture so they don't have to do special effects for all 
three of the transformations.  I mean, really, they've just spent a month 
making this thing, not to mention all the rules they've broken and bent to get 
everything needed.  Are they really going to go throw it up?  I don't think 
so.  They aren't wimps, after all.

Richelle

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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 16 18:50:27 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve )
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:50:27 -0000
Subject: Polyjuice Problem
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "fionap19 "
 wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "erisedstraeh2002 
> "  wrote:
> > illyana asked:
> > >Since Harry and Ron's voices didn't change when they 
> > >took the polyjuice, are they gonna use a "different version" 
> > >of the polyjuice potion for the GOF movie that enables the 
> > >user's voice to change? 
-end erisedstraeh2002-
> 
> Fiona replies.......... Harry Ron and Hermione only took a mouthful 
> of the potion ...snip... ..... could that be why it didn't affect
> their voices?  They hadn't drunk enough of it?  Crouch/Moody on the 
> other hand has to make sure the transformation is complete so he 
> makes sure he takes the "full dose" every hour on the hour????
-end Fiona-

bboy_mn comments:

Harry/Dan actually took a pretty big drink, then he took a second
drink. That would seem like enough to qualify as a full dose. Of
course, a full dose could just a easly be a full pint.

One advantage Crouch_as_Moody will have is that he will be 'Moody' a
for a while before he gets to Hogwarts, so he will have a chance to
get use to the body.

Although, more than likely, the 'movie makers' will just forget about
it and pretend like the voice not switching never happened.

I thought the whole 'voice' thing was stupid. It didn't really work
since without their bodies (Harry/Ron) and not having heard Cabbe and
Goyle, it wasn't clear who's voice we were hearing. If they did it to
help us remember which one was Harry and which one was wrong, first,
it didn't work and second, we are not that stupid. We see very clearly
who Harry transforms into, after that it would be pretty hard to
mistake them.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn

From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 16 19:05:08 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve )
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:05:08 -0000
Subject: Ron's Rat.... or was it???
Message-ID: 

This has come up a couple times recently but I didn't really have much
to add to those threads, but I do want to make one comment...

In the scene where Ron transforms a rat into a water goblet, we don't
know for a fact that that was Scabbers.

The perimeter of the room is surrounded by animal cages and each
student has been given an animal. It is entirely possible that Ron was
simply give a rat at random. 

Did anyone one notice if Neville had a toad??? Just curious.

So, there is speculation about whether the transformation would have
worked on an animagi. My point of course is that we don't know if it
was a common rat or if it was Pettigrew the animagi.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn

From heidi at blaydz.com  Mon Dec 16 19:22:24 2002
From: heidi at blaydz.com (heidi at blaydz.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:22:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: fire in front of hut
Message-ID: <20021216112225.9493.h011.c001.wm@mail.blaydz.com.criticalpath.net>

Just wondered if anyone else noticed an odd bit in the
movie. When Ron and Harry run off into the forest after
the spiders (which were waaay too big for ordinary
spiders), they leave the door open to Hagrid's Hut, and
run off in the dark. 
When they come back, there's a nice fire burning in
front of the hut. When I first saw that, I wondered
whether someone had come by in the meantime or what?
Or maybe I totally missed it since I've only seen the
movie twice.

And the question of the hour is: Who will play Stan
Shunpike? And will he really be afflicted with the
dreaded spots, or will he be made up, and have to use
his acting skills to show a lifetime of shunning and
cursedness. (Question asked to relieve the tension of
all those worried about who will play Lupin and Black
:)  )

From jmmears at comcast.net  Mon Dec 16 22:01:44 2002
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust )
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:01:44 -0000
Subject: Old Japan Interviews Online/ Polyjuice Problem
In-Reply-To: <21624995.1040064316207.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, rvotaw at i... wrote:

> 
> Here's an interesting question.  Ron and Hermione run off to the 
toilets saying 
> they're going to be sick.  Which has got to be the stupidest 
possible way to 
> get them out of the picture so they don't have to do special 
effects for all 
> three of the transformations.  I mean, really, they've just spent 
a month 
> making this thing, not to mention all the rules they've broken and 
bent to get 
> everything needed.  Are they really going to go throw it up?  I 
don't think 
> so.  They aren't wimps, after all.

Hi Richelle,
Well, you don't have to be a wimp to feel nausea.  If you remember 
in the book, we really only *see* Harry's transformation, since 
actually seeing the results of Hermione's would spoil the surprise 
of discovering she's turned into a cat.  Also, in Chapter 12, The 
Polyjuice Potion it says:  "...Harry drank the Potion down in two 
large gulps.  It tasted like overcooked cabbage.  
Immediately, his insides started writhing, as though he'd just 
swallowed live snakes - doubled up, he wondered whether he was going 
to be sick..."

So, I really don't think that the filmmakers were trying to save the 
cost of the special effects in having Ron and Hermione head into the 
cubicles after drinking the potion (although I think the glass-
dropping was put in for dramatic purposes).  Obviously, since both 
Ron and Hermione actually *did* transform, they must not have 
actually been sick.  Overall, I don't have a problem with the film's 
approach to this scene, since it covered all the canon bases 
(although I do think that Ron and Harry's voices needed to change; 
but that's another post).  It seemed to be a better way to do it 
than having each of them retire to separate cubicles before taking 
the potion (the way it's done in the book).

JMHO

Jo Serenadust

From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 16 22:10:54 2002
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002 )
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:10:54 -0000
Subject: Ron's Rat.... or was it???
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Steve (bboy_mn) wrote:

> In the scene where Ron transforms a rat into a water goblet, we 
> don't know for a fact that that was Scabbers.
> 
> The perimeter of the room is surrounded by animal cages and each
> student has been given an animal. It is entirely possible that Ron 
> was simply give a rat at random. 
> 
> Did anyone one notice if Neville had a toad??? Just curious.
> 
> So, there is speculation about whether the transformation would have
> worked on an animagi. My point of course is that we don't know if it
> was a common rat or if it was Pettigrew the animagi.

Now me:

I must comment since the rat-goblet transfiguration is one of my 
greatest gripes with the movie.  I've only seen the movie once, but 
IIRC, I thought each student had their own pet with them (I think I 
remember Neville with Trevor and Harry with Hedwig, but I'd have to 
watch it again to be sure).  Of course, some students (like Hermione 
at this point) don't have their own pet, so they could have been 
given pets from the cages you noticed.

While it's possible that each student was given an animal that was 
not their own, since we *know* that Ron has a pet rat, it's a logical 
conclusion to think it's Scabbers.  Even if you've only watched the 
movies and have no familiarity with the books, since Scabbers was in 
the first movie, it would be a logical conclusion to make.  Of note 
is that in PS/SS (both the movie and the book), the spell that was 
supposed to turn Scabbers yellow failed.

~Phyllis

From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 16 23:22:33 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum )
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:22:33 -0000
Subject: Ron's Rat.... or was it???
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

erisedstraeh2002 wrote:

> I must comment since the rat-goblet transfiguration is one of my 
> greatest gripes with the movie.  I've only seen the movie once, but 
> IIRC, I thought each student had their own pet with them (I think I 
> remember Neville with Trevor and Harry with Hedwig, but I'd have to 
> watch it again to be sure).  

I don't think we got a look at the animal in front of Neville, but 
Seamus had a toad, and Harry's bird was most emphatically NOT Hedwig 
(it had some black feathers). Hermione had some kind of lizard.

> While it's possible that each student was given an animal that was 
> not their own, since we *know* that Ron has a pet rat, it's a 
> logical conclusion to think it's Scabbers.  Even if you've only 
> watched the movies and have no familiarity with the books, since 
> Scabbers was in the first movie, it would be a logical conclusion 
> to make.  Of note is that in PS/SS (both the movie and the book), 
> the spell that was supposed to turn Scabbers yellow failed.

Logical, but not necessarily correct! :-)

Have you considered the possibility that this was deliberate? 
Scabbers gets no screentime in this movie except for when the car 
lands and expels the cage. The scene was a clear reminder for the 
benefit of non-book readers that Ron has a pet rat; however, as Steve 
said there is no indication that the rat being transformed IS 
Scabbers.

As I pointed out above, we see Harry with a bird in front of him (but 
you need to look closely to establish that it's not Hedwig); Seamus 
has a toad in front of him and movie-only viewers will recall that 
there was a toad in PS/SS but not necessarily to whom it belonged.

The way I look at it, the whole thing is a wonderful bit of 
misdirection. Why should only the HP books be entitled to such 
narrative devices? The movies are just as entitled to allow us to 
jump to conclusions and believe one thing while another is acutally 
the case...

From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 17 01:35:06 2002
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:35:06 -0000
Subject: Ron's Rat.... or was it???
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

argh! can't remember who, but *someone* wrote:
"The way I look at it, the whole thing is a wonderful bit of 
misdirection. Why should only the HP books be entitled to such 
narrative devices? The movies are just as entitled to allow us to 
jump to conclusions and believe one thing while another is acutally 
the case..."

me:
This makes sense to me, and they could easily clear it up with some 
PoA dialogue along the lines of-
HERMIONE: But Ron, your rat *can't* be an animagus! I mean, you've 
transfigured him before, haven't you, and you that's not possible 
with a human.
RON: No, I've never done magic on Scabbers. McGonanagall always 
gives us animals in Transfigurations...but it doesn't matter does 
it? I mean *look* at him!

...or something along those lines. However I also doubt that they'll 
take precious screetime for it, or that they'll even remember. 

Yet I'm still confused, which, though I'm oft times confused, does 
have a point...*why* have we decided that Rat!Peter couldn't 
transform? Is there canon evidence that I'm overlooking as to the 
impossibility of Human to nonliving transfig? 

Sorry! (being dense),

Scott

From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 17 03:09:57 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:09:57 -0000
Subject: Ron's Rat.... or was it???
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Scott wrote:
> argh! can't remember who, but *someone* wrote:

('twas me) :-)

> "The way I look at it, the whole thing is a wonderful bit of 
> misdirection. Why should only the HP books be entitled to such 
> narrative devices? The movies are just as entitled to allow us to 
> jump to conclusions and believe one thing while another is acutally 
> the case..."
> 
> me:
> This makes sense to me, and they could easily clear it up with some 
> PoA dialogue along the lines of-
> HERMIONE: But Ron, your rat *can't* be an animagus! I mean, you've 
> transfigured him before, haven't you, and you that's not possible 
> with a human.
> RON: No, I've never done magic on Scabbers. McGonanagall always 
> gives us animals in Transfigurations...but it doesn't matter does 
> it? I mean *look* at him!
> 
> ...or something along those lines. However I also doubt thatthey'll 
> take precious screetime for it, or that they'll even remember. 

I don't see the need for them to do so. As I pointed out earlier, I 
don't see any need for them to point out the misdirections (Riddle's 
recapitalisation of Ginny's activities at the end of CoS, accompanied 
by flashbacks, grates on me just a little bit). We book fans are (or 
at least *should be*) used to not jumping to conclusions, and as I 
said, there's nothing in the CoS scene to confirm that the rat Ron 
transforms is Scabbers. Movie viewers probably won't have remembered 
the precise circumstances of the scene anyway. 

Furthermore, there's more than enough plot and dialogue to be 
compressed into a workable screenplay without adding to it. :-)

> Yet I'm still confused, which, though I'm oft times confused, does 
> have a point...*why* have we decided that Rat!Peter couldn't 
> transform? Is there canon evidence that I'm overlooking as to the 
> impossibility of Human to nonliving transfig? 

You raise a good point. ;-) I certainly can't remember any specific 
canon on that point, although I am ... uncomfortable... about the 
possibility that Rat!Peter could be transformed into an inanimate 
object. 

After all, it took both Sirius and Remus acting together to force him 
back to human form, and the notion that second-year Ron (with his 
faulty wand!) could transform him yet further seems extremely 
unlikely. It could be argued that as Rat!Peter was willing to be 
transformed (in order to maintain his cover), so it required less raw 
magical power to make it happen. However, as far as we know, Rat!
Peter is wandless and thus not in a position to assist Ron in the 
transformation. 

From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 17 15:14:20 2002
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002 )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:14:20 -0000
Subject: Transfiguration Spells Not Working on an Animagus (WAS: Ron's Rat?)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> Scott asked:

> *why* have we decided that Rat!Peter couldn't transform? Is there 
> canon evidence that I'm overlooking as to the impossibility of 
> Human to nonliving transfig? 

and GulPlum responded:

> You raise a good point. ;-) I certainly can't remember any specific 
> canon on that point, although I am ... uncomfortable... about the 
> possibility that Rat!Peter could be transformed into an inanimate 
> object. 

Now me:

I don't think there is any specific canon about a transfiguration 
spell not working on an animagus, but it would stand to reason that a 
wizard would need to use a different spell to turn an animagus (a 
wizard posing as an animal) into a goblet than they would have used 
to use to turn a true animal into a goblet.

Plus, how would Pettigrew have been able to breathe as a goblet?

GulPlum again:

> After all, it took both Sirius and Remus acting together to force 
> him back to human form, and the notion that second-year Ron (with 
> his faulty wand!) could transform him yet further seems extremely 
> unlikely. 

Me again:

Good point on Ron's faulty wand!  Or perhaps that's why the goblet 
still had a tail.  Or maybe the goblet still had a tail because the 
spell was only partially effective on an animagus.  Or maybe it 
wasn't Scabbers at all!

~Phyllis
who has pondered this *way* too much

From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 17 16:24:49 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:24:49 -0000
Subject: Old Japan Interviews On-Line
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> If anyone can find working video footage of Dan's most recent visit 
to
> Japan, I would appreciate a link to it; thanks.
> 
> bboy_mn

Videos

http://www.zakzak.co.jp/bb/movie/0212/hari.wmv
http://www.bcast.co.jp/webevents/yahoo/news/stream/g021218s.asx
 or (if you have faster connection) 
http://www.bcast.co.jp/webevents/yahoo/news/stream/g021218m.asx

Reports (with photos)
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/kiji/2002/12/16/01.html
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/hochi/flash/hc_6.htm#00021216180400227577
http://www.daily.co.jp/gossip/gs20021216065606.html
http://www.nikkansports.com/news/flash/f-et-tp0-021216-18.html
http://www.sanspo.com/sokuho/1216sokuho64.html 

VJH

From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Dec 17 16:44:15 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:44:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Old Japan Interviews On-Line
Message-ID: <23225157.1040143455360.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

> 
> 
> 
> 
> > If anyone can find working video footage of Dan's most recent visit 

> to

> > Japan, I would appreciate a link to it; thanks.

> > 

> > bboy_mn

Okay, is it just me or did anyone else notice that at the Japan press 
conference Daniel's wearing the same shirt he wore to the London press 
conference?  And at the Japan premiere event he's wearing the same shirt he 
wore to the New York premiere.  Not sure if it's the same jacket or not, can't 
tell.  So what does this mean?  Err, nothing.  Just that I notice clothes I 
guess. :)

Richelle

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 17 18:30:53 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:30:53 -0000
Subject: Out-of-character moments (was Misc. on CoS)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Re: whether Harry would tell Vernon his friends hadn't written 
him . . . 

Sophia wrote:

> You are absolutely right. My comment on that line was on the 
emotion 
> Radcliffe conveyed in delivering it

Then we are in agreement on both counts.  I too think it was 
beautifully delivered, and will therefore watch it without wincing, 
in honor of a good performance.

;-)
Amy

From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 17 19:10:55 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19 )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:10:55 -0000
Subject: Well delivered lines     and question of Riddle's badge
Message-ID: 

I'd like to say that I felt that Dan's interaction with Richard 
Harris produced his best performance in the entire film IMHO.  The 
lines are delivered as though he really has taken the time to show 
Harry's is thinking about what he wants to say before he actually 
speaks.  Not easy no matter what age the actor.

On another note....... there were some posts recently querying 
whether Tom Riddle's lapel badge showed Head Boy or Prefect and on my 
latest viewing I can say that IMO it shows Prefect.  Most clearly 
seen in the chamber dialogue with Harry.

Lastly.... another suggestion for casting for Goblet.  How about the 
English actor Timothy Spall?  You can see from www.imdb.com that he's 
done a lot of work and he fits in perfectly with the description of 
LUDO BAGMAN!

From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 17 20:19:07 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora )
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:19:07 -0000
Subject: Well delivered lines     and question of Riddle's badge
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "fionap19 " 
 wrote:
>> On another note....... there were some posts recently querying 
> whether Tom Riddle's lapel badge showed Head Boy or Prefect and on 
my 
> latest viewing I can say that IMO it shows Prefect.  Most clearly 
> seen in the chamber dialogue with Harry.

I went to see CoS in digital last week, and it is clearly Prefect.  
I got really excited about that, because after seeing the badge on 
film (four times!), it still wasn't clear what it said.  After my 
digital experience, I am spoiled!  I want to see every movie in 
digital now - the clarity of the movie with no spots, flickers or 
blemishes was fantastic.

Alora

From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Dec 17 15:27:50 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:27:50 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: so....
Message-ID: <16556927BB7@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

*drums fingers on desk*

Do we have a date for the on-line Prisoner trailer yet?

Yes, I'm kidding.

*long sigh*

I can't believe we won't be seeing this movie until 2004.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an 
angry, flying Ford Anglia.

From hiddenhibiscus at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 18 00:24:59 2002
From: hiddenhibiscus at yahoo.com (hiddenhibiscus )
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:24:59 -0000
Subject: Reversed writing in Transfiguration
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> Hi there, (first post!)
> 
> I had noticed this as well.  Also, when Prof. McGonagall 
transfigured 
> the bird to the goblet, she's on the left side of the classroom, 
but 
> later, once you see the backwards blackboard, the bird's perch is 
> behind her on the right.  I'm assuming it's an editing mistake.
> 
> ~Hibiscus (who has seen the film only four times but wants oh-so-
much-
> more!)

I know this thread has been dropped somewhat, but I had to respond to 
my previous post in case anyone was interested.  I saw it again 
(fifth time) and was wrong about the directions.  It must have been 
the camera angles which lead me to believe McGonagall was on the left 
to begin with.  She was always towards the right and the black boards 
were always backwards.  Sorry!

From siewleewong at time.net.my  Wed Dec 18 15:19:35 2002
From: siewleewong at time.net.my (Rhea Wong)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:19:35 +0800
Subject: Dan's reused shirt
References: <1040222654.468.59486.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c2a6b4$92957e30$1c38bcca@Firebolt>

> > > If anyone can find working video footage of Dan's most recent visit

> > to

> > > Japan, I would appreciate a link to it; thanks.

> > > 

> > > bboy_mn

>
> Okay, is it just me or did anyone else notice that at the Japan press
> conference Daniel's wearing the same shirt he wore to the London press
> conference?  And at the Japan premiere event he's wearing the same shirt
he
> wore to the New York premiere.  Not sure if it's the same jacket or not,
can't
> tell.  So what does this mean?  Err, nothing.  Just that I notice clothes
I
> guess. :)
>
Nope, it isn't just you. I've actually written a blog entry complete with
pictures on this uh... little observation -
http://blueskies.sunflower-secrets.net/archives/00000065.html

_______________________________________________________
Rhea

"Read? I didn't know you could read." - Draco Malfoy, Harry Potter and the
Chamber of Secrets

Clairvoyance : http://blueskies.sunflower-secrets.net

From splinched at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 18 19:01:05 2002
From: splinched at hotmail.com (eudaemonia_splinched )
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:01:05 -0000
Subject: Dan's reused shirt
In-Reply-To: <002b01c2a6b4$92957e30$1c38bcca@Firebolt>
Message-ID: 

I like it. It shows a lack of concern about public image/fashion 
that's refreshing... it shows he's NORMAL and not all 
about being a celebrity (thank God, I hope he stays that way). Did 
you see one of the other Japan appearances he did? Looked like he 
just wore a plain white t-shirt. I think it can be seen at 
http://www.danradcliffe.com :)

Cheers,
Eu

From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 18 19:02:31 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve )
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:02:31 -0000
Subject: Old Japan Interviews On-Line
In-Reply-To: <23225157.1040143455360.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, rvotaw at i... wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > If anyone can find working video footage of Dan's most recent
visit 

> > to

> > > Japan, I would appreciate a link to it; thanks.

> > > 

> > > bboy_mn

> 
> Okay, is it just me or did anyone else notice that at the Japan
> press conference Daniel's wearing the same shirt he wore to the 
> London press conference? And at the Japan premiere event he's 
> wearing the same shirt he wore to the New York premiere.  Not 
> sure if it's the same jacket or not, can't tell.  So what does 
> this mean?  Err, nothing.  Just that I notice clothes I guess. :)
> 
> Richelle

bboy_mn: 

First a side note, thanking VincetJH for the links to the Japanese
video footage.

Not to Richelle's comment; "And at the Japan premiere event he's 
> wearing the same shirt he wore to the New York premiere".

Where did you find pictures of the Japanese premiere?

I search a few Japanese new sites (don't speak or read Japanese) and
didn't see any.

Do you have some more links for me???

Thanks.

The 'Shirt'... I don't think Dan has a lot of clothes, partly because
he is growing and his parents don't want him to buy a big stock of
clothes that will be too small before the end of the year. 

I think his parents are really restricting his money. He said in one
interview that he doesn't get any 'pocket money' because he doesn't
need any. More than likely, he can ask his parent if he wants
something and they will decide. 

I think maybe the red leather jacket he wore in Japan was something
new, that his parents broke down and bought him. Maybe something
special to wear on his trip to Japan. I think they are probably trying
to keep him humble. They don't want him to get too deeply into a 13
year old millionaire mentality. 

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn

Steve

From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Dec 18 20:26:37 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:26:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's reused shirt
Message-ID: <7802397.1040243197343.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, rvotaw at i... wrote:

> bboy_mn: 

> Not to Richelle's comment; "And at the Japan premiere event he's 

> > wearing the same shirt he wore to the New York premiere".

> 

> Where did you find pictures of the Japanese premiere?

> 

> I search a few Japanese new sites (don't speak or read Japanese) and

> didn't see any.

There are a few if you search Yahoo News Photos.

> Do you have some more links for me???

> The 'Shirt'... I don't think Dan has a lot of clothes, partly because

> he is growing and his parents don't want him to buy a big stock of

> clothes that will be too small before the end of the year. 

Christmas is coming also, he's at the age where kids don't always mind clothes 
for Christmas.  As long as they get something fun to.  Not that clothes aren't 
fun.  The red jacket did look shiny and new. I think keepin him humble is part 
of it.  The rest in response to:

Eu writes:

> I like it. It shows a lack of concern about public image/fashion 

> that's refreshing... it shows he's NORMAL and not all 

> about being a celebrity (thank God, I hope he stays that way). Did 

> you see one of the other Japan appearances he did? Looked like he 

> just wore a plain white t-shirt. I think it can be seen at 

> 
http://www.danradcliffe.com :)

True, very true.  Most celebrities would not be caught dead wearing the same 
thing twice to major appearances.  Yet here he is at wearing the same shirts 
twice (two different ones).  That's two shirts for four of his six major 
appearances (most photographed at least).  Which for a thirteen year old boy is 
pefectly normal.  Which is I believe, what his parents are aiming at.

Richelle

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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 18 20:37:44 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora )
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:37:44 -0000
Subject: Dan's reused shirt
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eudaemonia_splinched 
"  wrote:
> I like it. It shows a lack of concern about public image/fashion 
> that's refreshing... it shows he's NORMAL and not all 
> about being a celebrity (thank God, I hope he stays that way). Did 
> you see one of the other Japan appearances he did? Looked like he 
> just wore a plain white t-shirt. I think it can be seen at 
> http://www.danradcliffe.com :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Eu

I think it has to do with the age, also.  I have an almost 11 yr old 
that wears only 3 shirts in his whole closet!  He won't wear 
anything else and it drives me crazy.  I actually have to hide some 
of his shirts, which forces him to wear other clothes in his 
closet.  Kids!  :D

Alora

From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 18 22:57:47 2002
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott )
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:57:47 -0000
Subject: Dan's reused shirt
In-Reply-To: <7802397.1040243197343.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: 

Hmmm. Sometimes I will wear one outfit and then (obviously) not wear 
it again for a long time, but when I *do* where it again it will be 
to the same place, thus creating the accidental and unwanted 
impression that I wear the same things all the time. Case in point: 
I had auditions for Grease two weeks ago (I'm Kenickie btw); last 
night was the first practice. I think I wore the same rugby shirt 
both times...So I guess someone who had only seen me those two times 
might think a)he *really* loves that shirt, or b)he doesn't have 
many clothes, neither is true. I *do* have a fair amount of clothes, 
and I'd wager many people think I have even more via coordination (a 
skill I'd yet to acquire at the age of 14)

But enough about my dressing habits! I *could* talk about clothes 
all day, but that's another list.

Of course Dan has gobs of pictures taken where'er he goes, and I'd 
bet that makes it just a bit harder to unknowingly wear the same 
shirt more than once. Then again, maybe Dan isn't scouring the web 
for photos of himself like *we* are so it's possible he doesn't 
think about it. And if his parents let him pick out all his own 
clothes (which would fit with my idea "keeping him humble") then 
it's really likely he didn't realise it at all.

Plausible explanation??

Scott

From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 01:07:52 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
Message-ID: <20021219010752.94815.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>

Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
anybody else's mental image of Lupin?  He played
Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral service)
in Four Weddings and a Funeral.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Hannah,+John

His show, MDs on ABC, was recently
cancelled...so, he's probably available.

Petra
a
n  :)

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From dom-blokey at supanet.com  Thu Dec 19 01:38:19 2002
From: dom-blokey at supanet.com (Dom McDermott)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:38:19 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CASTING - Lupin
References: <20021219010752.94815.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c2a6ff$5018a960$474628d5@Blokey>

Petra Pan:

> Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
> anybody else's mental image of Lupin?  He played
> Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral service)
> in Four Weddings and a Funeral.

I was thinking also James Purefoy, but that's possibly more a Sirius thing.
I was watching Resident Evil today, he is (the bad guy) Spence, and also
played the jousting king in A Knight's Tale. I think John Hannah is great, I
especially liked him in the Mummy (+Mummy Returns) but I'm still not overly
sure on whether i think he'd fit the role, although his range is rather
good. I hear today that Pam Ferris has been cast as Aunt Marge, does that
mean we may hear more casting calls soon...?

Dom

From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 02:31:30 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:31:30 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <20021219010752.94815.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan  
wrote:
> Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
> anybody else's mental image of Lupin?  He played
> Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral service)
> in Four Weddings and a Funeral.

In brief, not in the slightest.

Sorry for the short post, but the suggestion *really* made me shudder.

-- 
GulPlum AKA Richard, still holding out for a Jeremy Irons type (if 
not the man himself).

From thalia at aokp.org  Thu Dec 19 03:13:55 2002
From: thalia at aokp.org (chanteuse thalia chaunacy)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:13:55 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CASTING PoA--John Hannah as Lupin
In-Reply-To: <20021219010752.94815.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021219010752.94815.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Oh.  My.  God.  that idea was enough to make me use capital letters.  
he's quite possibly my favourite actor of all time.  if only he could be 
lupin!  here i was, rooting for christian bale.  silly me.

thalia 'died and gone to john hannah heaven' chaunacy

"Ah, music. A magic beyond all we do here!"  -Albus Dumbledore

Petra wrote:
"Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit anybody else's mental 
image of Lupin? He played Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral 
service) in Four Weddings and a Funeral."

From frantyck at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 04:57:20 2002
From: frantyck at yahoo.com (frantyck )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:57:20 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Petra Pan  > Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
> > anybody else's mental image of Lupin?

"GulPlum "  wrote:
> In brief, not in the slightest.
> 
> Sorry for the short post, but the suggestion *really* made me 
shudder.
> -- 
> GulPlum AKA Richard, still holding out for a Jeremy Irons type (if 
> not the man himself).

Hmm. Why the shudder? Explanation would be nice.

As for Jeremy Irons, I disagree. Irons is far too throaty and suave 
for a Lupin. He has a sense of immense and immensely-controlled 
internal power, as if it were on the point of breaking loose and is 
only held in restraint by an iron will (ha). In any case, the 
actor's palpable intensity on-screen makes him an odd choice, IMO, 
for an apparently mild and unprepossessing Professor Lupin. Even if 
he were sprinkled with dust and dressed shabbily.

Although John Hannah -- I see it, but it doesn't seem quite right. 
He doesn't look intense enough (I've watched only the Mummy films).

Rrishi, sadly with no suggestions of his own.

From geri510 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 14:25:43 2002
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510 )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:25:43 -0000
Subject: Harris won't be 'recreated' for Azkaban 
Message-ID: 

According to cbbcnews & Warners Bros. -- Harris won't be seen in PoA -
- see link below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_2587000/2587703.stm

From merridew at optushome.com.au  Thu Dec 19 15:28:48 2002
From: merridew at optushome.com.au (Dani)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:28:48 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Arthur Not Attacking Lucius and Ron's Eat
  Slugs Spell (WAS: CoS cringes)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021220022412.00a53a60@mail.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au>

At 19:44 5/12/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Constance Vigilance ("Susan Miller") wrote:

[snip]
::The Lucius/Arthur brawl...or lack of it.::

I'm undecided as yet as to whether I prefer the brawl or not... I do think, 
though, it does change a certain amount of Arthur's character. I am very 
fond of the tight-lipped smile he gives the rest of his family. It's 
incredibly fatherly.

>The "Eat slugs, Malfoy" spell in the movie bugged me because all of
>the spells (with the notable exception of Voldemort's recorporation
>potion) are in Latin.  While the book doesn't say what Latin term Ron
>used for the slug spell, to be consistent with all of the other
>spells, it would have *had* to have been in Latin.  So I was bothered
>when the movie turned it into English.

I was re-reading CoS, and discovered that the "Eat slugs, Malfoy" line 
actually comes from a different part of the book. I can't give you page 
references, because I seem to have mislaid my copy.
I think it's a pity that they didn't bother to try and engineer a spell for 
Ron to say *after* he threatens Draco with "Eat slugs". 

From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 16:04:55 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:04:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20021219160455.27407.qmail@web20807.mail.yahoo.com>

Rrishi:

>>>>>As for Jeremy Irons, I disagree. Irons is far too
throaty and suave for a Lupin. He has a sense of
immense and immensely-controlled internal power, as if
it were on the point of breaking loose and is only
held in restraint by an iron will (ha). In any case,
the actor's palpable intensity on-screen makes him an
odd choice, IMO, for an apparently mild and
unprepossessing Professor Lupin. Even if he were
sprinkled with dust and dressed shabbily.>>>>>

He's also far, far too old. Lupin is repeatedly
refered to in PoA as appearing quite young. Plus, he's
supposed to be PREMATURELY graying. This is important,
because the fact that Lupin is so often ill and
graying AT ALL for someone so young emphasizes the
physical (if not mental) toll being a werewolf has
taken on him. 

Casting an actor too old would eliminate that
significance and take away an important nuance of the
character. Irons, I'm afraid, has probably been gray
for many years. He's certainly not believable as
someone who is PREMATURELY graying. 

Granted, they cast older for Snape, but JKR never
refers to as Snape as looking young in any way. He's
believable as someone who looks older than his age.
Lupin, however, is not --at least not to Snape's
degree.

-Jessica 

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From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Thu Dec 19 17:02:04 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Princess Peanut )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:02:04 -0000
Subject: CASTING PoA--John Hannah as Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Ooh, I love John Hannah.  He was so great in "Sliding Doors."
If you're looking for a slightly more serious John, check that out. 
His character is quite funny in the film, but also has his serious 
moments.  I'd love to see him in PoA!  Though, I'm still holding out 
for Colin Firth as Lupin - he's exactly as I'd imagined Remus.  But, 
if Firth is busy, Hannah's my second choice. *grin*  
I was only too happy to read that Colin Firth had stopped by the set 
while they were filming CoS.  Don't want to get my hopes up though! 

 wrote:
> Oh.  My.  God.  that idea was enough to make me use capital letters. 

> he's quite possibly my favourite actor of all time.  if only he 
could be 
> lupin!  here i was, rooting for christian bale.  silly me.
> 
> thalia 'died and gone to john hannah heaven' chaunacy
> 
> "Ah, music. A magic beyond all we do here!"  -Albus Dumbledore
> 
> Petra wrote:
> "Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit anybody else's mental 
> image of Lupin? He played Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral 
> service) in Four Weddings and a Funeral."

From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 19:04:58 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:04:58 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <20021219160455.27407.qmail@web20807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Moonstruck 
 wrote:
> Rrishi:
> 
> >>>>>As for Jeremy Irons, I disagree. Irons is far too
> throaty and suave for a Lupin. He has a sense of
> immense and immensely-controlled internal power, as if
> it were on the point of breaking loose and is only
> held in restraint by an iron will (ha). In any case,
> the actor's palpable intensity on-screen makes him an
> odd choice, IMO, for an apparently mild and
> unprepossessing Professor Lupin. Even if he were
> sprinkled with dust and dressed shabbily.>>>>>

If you don't think Jeremy Irons can do "quiet" without 
being "intense", I suggest you watch Cronenberg's "Dead Ringers", in 
which Irons did a magnificent job of doing both in the same movie (he 
played twins, one of whom was quiet and the other intense).

> He's also far, far too old. 

How can you possibly say that about him, yet accept Rickman as Snape, 
considering Irons is a full 3 1/2 years younger? (more on that in a 
moment). Last week, the European Awards were shown on TV here (I 
don't expect for a moment that any American TV network would have 
been interested in showing them), and it was the first time I'd ever 
seen Irons and Rickman together (they were presenting one of the 
awards). Without makeup, the age difference looked considerably more. 

> Lupin is repeatedly
> refered to in PoA as appearing quite young. Plus, he's
> supposed to be PREMATURELY graying. This is important,
> because the fact that Lupin is so often ill and
> graying AT ALL for someone so young emphasizes the
> physical (if not mental) toll being a werewolf has
> taken on him. 
> 
> Casting an actor too old would eliminate that
> significance and take away an important nuance of the
> character. Irons, I'm afraid, has probably been gray
> for many years. He's certainly not believable as
> someone who is PREMATURELY graying. 
> 
> Granted, they cast older for Snape, but JKR never
> refers to as Snape as looking young in any way. He's
> believable as someone who looks older than his age.
> Lupin, however, is not --at least not to Snape's
> degree.

Sorry, I just don't get your logic. Yes, when we first meet him, 
Lupin is described as "quite young", but this description is simply 
there to underline the fact that his condition has had an adverse 
effect on his appearance. Bear in mind that there is absolutely no 
indication whatsoever in the books about how old Snape might be. We 
know only from that oft-quoted interview that JKR sees him as being 
in his mid-30s. Also, as he's meant to be Lupin's (younger-looking, 
by your admission) contemporary, the movie casting has already thrown 
the importance of that single mention of "young" with regard to Lupin 
out of the window.

The logic of the story DEMANDS that he actor should be someone who is 
believably the same age as Alan Rickman, but appears older (the same 
goes for Sirius).

As a result, surely it would make sense to cast someone *older* than 
Rickman, NOT younger? Or at the VERY least, someone of approximately 
the same age?

The logic of casting someone *considerably* younger than him (around 
15 years in the case of Firth or Hannah, or 30 in the case of 
Farrell!) quite simply makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not saying that Irons would have been my original choice as the 
books' Lupin, but then neither would Rickman have been my choice for 
Snape (had I read the books before I saw the first movie). 

I'm in total agreement with what David Heyman said somewhere along 
the line (to Newsround?), in reply to the suggestion of casting Ewan 
McGregor (who's 25 years Rickman's junior) as Lupin: Snape has been 
cast and already appeared in two movies; several characters' being 
his contemporaries is a major element of the third book's plot (the 
Potters, Remus, Sirius and Peter) and therefore they MUST be cast 
accordingly. Casting them by their apparent ages in the books is a 
pipedream that will NEVER, EVER come true!

The insistence of some fans to give these parts to 30-something 
actors actually makes me angry. I can understand kids insisting on 
it, but surely adults can be just a LITTLE more objective? I really, 
sincerely, would suggest that people take this matter on board when 
imagining who might be cast. Start with Rickman and work around him, 
NOT the (scant) age indications in the books.

From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 20:40:31 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20021219204031.85100.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "GulPlum " 
>>>>>The insistence of some fans to give these parts
to
30-something actors actually makes me angry. I can
understand kids insisting on it, but surely adults can
be just a LITTLE more objective? I really, sincerely,
would suggest that people take this matter on board
when imagining who might be cast. Start with Rickman
and work around him, NOT the (scant) age indications
in the books.>>>>>

I also happen to feel quite as strongly about the
matter of Lupin's casting as you are. I've read PoA
many, many times and feel I am quite objective when
considering who would be most suitable to play Lupin.
JKR describes Lupin as "young" in AT LEAST two
passages (as I haven't the time to read PoA over again
at this specific moment, I cannot provide proof of
more, but is certainly an implicit if not verbalized
notion throughout the book). As these descriptions of
Lupin are perceived through Harry, we can conclude
that no matter how old he is, he LOOKS quite young.
Indeed, the fact that he is described as being
PREMATURELY gray indicates that he's too young to be
graying naturally. One, then, would logically and
OBJECTIVELY conclude that Lupin must be in his
thirties or, at the oldest, early forties. 

If you'd really like to take the matter up with
someone, maybe you should tell Boardmate Steve Vander
Ark how erroneous/presumptive his HP Lexicon, a very
well respected and accurate resource for HP
information, is, as it posits Lupin's birth in 1960,
making him approximately 33-34 years old throughout
PoA. The Lexicon also reinforces the idea of Lupin as
"quite young."

As far as casting according to Rickman's age range,
I'd ask you to consider the actors who play in James
and Lily Potter in the movie. Do they necessarily look
like contemporaries of Rickman's Snape? Not really.
Did you honestly believe Christian Coulson was a
sixteen year old when you watched CoS? I sure as hell
didn't, but he embodied the role of Tom Riddle so
convincingly, it was something I could easily
overlook. Did you truly think Shirley Henderson looked
like a teenage when she appeared in the girls'
bathroom? What about Tom Felton? He's beginning to
actually look older than especially Emma Watson and
Dan Ratcliffe, as he is in real life. Shall we fire
him and find someone else more age-suitable to our two
leads?

The point is, this is a movie, and these movies have
asked us to suspend our sense of reality before --
they are, after all, about students in a WIZARDING
school -- especially in regards to certain casting
choices. Lupin appearing young is not just a
throw-away detail about his character. It's VITAL to
understanding the horrors that his lifestyle is
wrought upon him so early in life. JKR obviously felt
it important enough to reinforce the matter in the
book. I get just as irritated with people who refuse
to acknowledge that fact as you are with people who
you seem to think are letting their immature,
starstruck tendencies guide their casting opinions.

And, BTW, I never specifically named any actors I felt
were suitable to play Lupin. I never quoted an age for
him. Jeremy Irons, simply, IMHO, looks too old to play
Lupin. I don't appreciate having your issues
superimposed on my views. I realize Ewan McGregor is
too young to be a believable contemporary of
Rickman's, even if I might really like to see him play
the role. So I don't think he'll get cast. I'm okay
with that. Please don't talk down to us like we're
ignorant and juvenile.  

With all due respect, I find your tone and your
attitude insulting and disrespectful. I don't often
make a point of challenging somebody when they voice
an opinion on this board because it is, indeed, their
opinion and their right to voice it. What good does it
do to argue with them about it? It's certainly not
hurting anybody for them to believe whatever it is
they want to believe about the HP books/movies. You,
however, seem to think your opinion is not opinion,
but holy law. Perhaps that's part of the reason I felt
justified in challenging your stance. 

I've read your comments to other people's suggestions
and been absolutely appalled by the way you respond to
them. Your callous response to Petra Pan's suggestion
of John Hannah as Lupin was just the latest in a long
line of thoughtless comments you've made about other
people's opinions. I might think John Hannah or Colin
Firth would be reasonably believable as a contemporary
of Rickman's Snape. It's my right to feel that way and
to express it without being told, in so many words,
how utterly stupid I and my ideas are. This is a
community, comprised of people who want to come
together and discuss the HP movies in a thoughtful,
friendly manner. What are you really accomplishing by
ripping apart everyone else's opinions? If you're
going to argue, at least do it in a way that is not
rude or insulting to the person with whom you're
disagreeing.

-Jessica

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From kslivlib at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 21:10:24 2002
From: kslivlib at yahoo.com (kslivlib )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:10:24 -0000
Subject: Aunt Marge Casting
Message-ID: 

I was just reading on commingsoon.net that the role of aunt marge had 
been cast for the upcomming movie.  The actress is supposed to be Pam 
Ferris.  Does anyone knwo where I can find a picture of her?  If 
anyone else is interested here is the link to the story.
http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?
newsid1040228749,616,
-Kelly = )

From frantyck at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 21:13:33 2002
From: frantyck at yahoo.com (frantyck )
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:13:33 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Moonstruck  wrote
(about Jeremy Irons as Lupin)
> > He's also far, far too old. 

"GulPlum "  wrote:
> How can you possibly say that about him, yet accept Rickman as 
Snape, considering Irons is a full 3 1/2 years younger?

> The insistence of some fans to give these parts to 30-something 
actors actually makes me angry. I can understand kids insisting on 
it, but surely adults can be just a LITTLE more objective? I really, 
sincerely, would suggest that people take this matter on board when 
imagining who might be cast. Start with Rickman and work around him, 
NOT the (scant) age indications in the books.

Don't be angry.

Fine -- perhaps Irons can very well play a 'quiet' character. And 
perhaps the actor who plays Lupin *should* look like a contemporary 
of Rickman. And that what's in the book shouldn't be the ultimate 
arbiter of what's in the films. Reasonable points, these.

At the same time, agewise, Rickman playing Snape does not actually 
look older than 40. He could in fact very well be in his thirties 
(this is what I thought, at any rate). There *are* very strong 
indications in the books that Snape is around the age of Harry's 
parents. To have a doddering 'contemporary' of Harry's parents 
really is going to look weird -- how old could his parents possibly 
be? Look at the actors they used for Harry's parents in the first 
film. They must be in their thirties. They certainly don't look as 
if they come from a whole different generation than Rickman. The 
filmmakers cannot mess too much with the book's timelines, because 
they are fairly complex and interrelated. The storyline itself 
depends so much on these established chronologies.

So -- the age of the actors chosen to play Lupin or Sirius (given 
that the casting people stay away from extremes of youth or age) 
does not seem as important as their apparent fittingness for the 
parts. The makeup people can age them up or down a few years.

Jeremy Irons is not, of course, doddering. But does he strike me as 
a believable Lupin? Now that I've had the chance to think about it, 
and you say that he's played 'quiet' before, I guess it's possible 
that he could play the part. In _Lolita_, Irons was admittedly good 
as a man with a secret, guilt, etc. But -- and this is opinion -- 
it's hard to see Irons in a film, even in a subdued part and not 
expect him to burst into explosive action at some point. It's not 
just that the actor who plays Lupin should be able play a 'quiet' 
person, the audience should be able to accept this and dismiss him 
as such, to accentuate the surprise of Lupin's revealed nature later 
in the story (unlike _Lolita_). And if this is a relatively unusual 
role for Irons to play, why get such a recognisable (in more than 
one respect) actor to play this role at all? I say you need someone 
more lowkey.

This is not to say that already-famous actors shouldn't be in the 
Potter films at all. None of the established actors in either film 
plays a role fundamentally unlike others they are famous for. Dame 
Maggie has always seened a bit headmistress-ish. Rickman has always 
looked a little brittle. Branagh is often grand. Etc., etc.

That said, you've intrigued me. I'd like to see some unusual choices 
for the cast, and Irons would surely be one.

Rrishi

From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 19 21:15:25 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:15:25 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <20021219204031.85100.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021219204031.85100.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9239103288.20021219131525@earthlink.net>

Hi,

Thursday, December 19, 2002, 12:40:31 PM, myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:

> Lupin appearing young is not just a
> throw-away detail about his character. It's VITAL to
> understanding the horrors that his lifestyle is
> wrought upon him so early in life. JKR obviously felt
> it important enough to reinforce the matter in the
> book.

While I agree with you mostly, I also don't put much trust
into the movie makers after seeing some of the character
changes they've made in the first two movies.

Just look at the difference between Book!Ron and Movie!Ron!

Nothing will surprise me in the upcoming movie, including
actor choices!

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net

From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu Dec 19 21:45:37 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:45:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Aunt Marge Casting
Message-ID: <6432116.1040334337125.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

Kelly writes:

> I was just reading on commingsoon.net that the role of aunt marge had 

> been cast for the upcomming movie. The actress is supposed to be Pam 

> Ferris. Does anyone knwo where I can find a picture of her?

BBC has an article on it, with a picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_2587000/2587291.stm

She was in Matlida, for those of you who've seen it, as Trunchbull.  Yep, I 
think she can do Aunt Marge all right!

Richelle

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From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 23:25:37 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:25:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CoS set article
In-Reply-To: <1040309536.304.5572.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021219232537.11293.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have the Month/issue number of the recent
Architectural Digest that had the articel on the CoS sets?
I had the issue but my daughter took it to a friend's and
left it "somwehere". I think it was October or November but
I can't remmebr and I need the Date/issoe number to order
another copy.

Thanks in advance

=====
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  http://www.barbarasheridan.net

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From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 20 00:16:37 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kelly broughton)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:16:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <20021219160455.27407.qmail@web20807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021220001638.41389.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com>

Since I am American and really don't know any of these names apart from
Ewan and Jeremy, I'll throw out a name I am only a bit familiar with:
Stuart Townsend. I only saw him in one role- playing Lestat in Queen of
the Damned. He has had other movie roles, and he's Irish... hey, it was
just a thought.

Those of you who might be more knowledgable about his career...comments?

-kel

--- Moonstruck  wrote:
> Rrishi:
> 
> >>>>>As for Jeremy Irons, I disagree. Irons is far too
> throaty and suave for a Lupin. He has a sense of
> immense and immensely-controlled internal power, as if
> it were on the point of breaking loose and is only
> held in restraint by an iron will (ha). In any case,
> the actor's palpable intensity on-screen makes him an
> odd choice, IMO, for an apparently mild and
> unprepossessing Professor Lupin. Even if he were
> sprinkled with dust and dressed shabbily.>>>>>
> 
> 
> He's also far, far too old. Lupin is repeatedly
> refered to in PoA as appearing quite young. Plus, he's
> supposed to be PREMATURELY graying. This is important,
> because the fact that Lupin is so often ill and
> graying AT ALL for someone so young emphasizes the
> physical (if not mental) toll being a werewolf has
> taken on him. 
> 
> Casting an actor too old would eliminate that
> significance and take away an important nuance of the
> character. Irons, I'm afraid, has probably been gray
> for many years. He's certainly not believable as
> someone who is PREMATURELY graying. 
> 
> Granted, they cast older for Snape, but JKR never
> refers to as Snape as looking young in any way. He's
> believable as someone who looks older than his age.
> Lupin, however, is not --at least not to Snape's
> degree.
> 
> -Jessica 
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From urbana at charter.net  Fri Dec 20 01:39:34 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne R Urbanski)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:39:34 -0600
Subject: Quotes about Daniel Radcliffe
Message-ID: 

Since I'm fairly new to this group, I don't know how many of these have been
submitted previously, but here are some interesting quotes about Daniel
Radcliffe which I found at
http://liquid2k.net/radcliffe/eris
ed.htm. Basically they reinforce the opinion I've had since I first saw Daniel
in PS/SS -- what some reviewers decry as "wooden" or "unanimated", others
recognize as "depth", "stillness", "maturity" etc.

Anne U

******
Articles/Interviews 
"He can really focus on one thing now. His short-term memory has improved, I
think. He can now concentrate on a scene completely. It was difficult to start
with, separating the acting from what was going on around him. It was all so
exciting, and he's so full of energy. But now he can be fooling around one
minute, and switch into real concentration for a scene." - Marcia 
(Dan's mother) 

"He has a particular quality of naturalness and innocence. The camera really
loves him, and other children don't feel threatened by him. One normally
dreads
working with child actors, but in his case he was wonderful. We cast him for
his special qualities of gentleness and watchfulness. He has those in spades.
He has a great deal of charm and simplicity. He's very at ease with himself.
He'll be terrific as Harry Potter because of his great sense of fun. He's very
lively and energetic." - Kate Hardwood (Producer of David Copperfield)

"Dame Maggie [Smith] adored him. She was so fond of him she gave him a lovely
present, an astronaut's pen. He won't be overwhelmed by the Harry Potter
mania.
He's quite cool and calm about that sort of thing." - Kate Hardwood 

"He has a magical quality about him. He takes direction very well, and is very
expressive with his eyes. The scenes I had with him were a joy. Every now and
then you find someone who is completely natural, and he is one of those. I
wasn't at all surprised when he got the job, and am absolutely thrilled to
bits
for him." - Ian McNeice (worked with Dan on David 
Copperfield) 

"He's got a sense of wisdom and intelligence and a real sort of haunted
quality
that Harry Potter has." - Chris Columbus 

"We saw so many enormously talented kids in the search for Harry. The process
was intense and there were times when we felt we would never find an
individual
who embodied the complex spirit and depth of Harry Potter. Then, Dan walked
into the room and we all knew we had found Harry." - Chris Columbus

"Having seen Daniel Radcliffe's screen test, I don't think Chris Columbus
could
have found a better Harry." - J.K Rowling 

''He holds the film together. He's in almost every frame, Dan is an
11-year-old
with a 35-year-old heart. There [is] so much depth, so much going on behind
his
eyes, you realize: This is a kid who has lived a life. This is a kid who can
appear haunted and troubled by his past. Yet he's charming. That kind of
maturity is hard to find in an 11-year-old.'' - Chris Columbus

"He is extremely composed and watchful and self-possessed. He is very well
brought up." - Rebecca Eaton (a David Copperfield producer) 

"Daniel is quite a serious wee boy, whereas Rupert is very rock and roll." -
Robbie Coltrane 

"He is really funny, and he's clever." - Rupert Grint 

"Dan is the kind of guy you can make run 20 miles and run back again, join the
army, stay there for 3 years. Then tell him to climb Mount Everest and he'd
come out saying, 'Hi, can I do that again?' He's just so enthusiastic. However
long the hours were or however school was, he always had a smile on his face."
- Emma Watson 

"Daniel Radcliffe plays the Oliver Twist-like Harry with an unaffected,
intelligent approach that maintains his wide-eyed wonder yet grounds Harry
in a
realistic sense of loyalty and honor." - Kirk Honeycutt (HollywoodReporter.com
review)

"As Harry, Daniel Radcliffe has to carry most of the weight of this enterprise
on his slight shoulders, and he does a great job. Much of his performance has
to be internal, and Radcliffe brings an impressive stillness and resolve to
the
part. - Helen Stringer (TheMediadrome.com review) 

"He's a very nice kid, I'm very fond of him." - John Boorman (director of
Tailor of Panama) 

"The kid is just fantastic. For never having acted before, you know, he could
give me acting lessons." - Richard Harris 

"He is a lively, bright kid with an instinctive feeling for the camera. His
parents are very stable and supportive. If anyone can survive the hazards of
being a child star, and still live a normal life in the world of muggles, he's
the boy." - John Boorman

"When you look into Dan's eyes, it just cuts deeper. When we saw his first
screen test, it was obvious we were looking at a movie star." - Chris
Columbus 

"He's a writer's dream. I love it when I see an actor underplay things the way
Dan does. In a boy that young , it's remarkable. I'm used to American kid
actors who are very sitcommy. With him, there's something special." - Steven
Kloves (screenwriter for Harry Potter) 

"He's more confident, and it seems to have affected his look as he's gotten
older. He's starting to feel like a leading man now." - Chris Columbus (about
Dan in CoS) 

"They were great. There were a surprisingly low brat-factor. Daniel is
fantastic and very smart. He's got his head well screwed on." - Sean
Biggerstaff

"I saw this boy who combined a wonderful sense of curiosity, openness and
generosity with a warmth that wasn't sentimental or too cute." - David Heyman,
HP producer

"These children are nice, actually. They are not precocious and uppity, they
are just very natural and that's what I like." - Miriam Margolyes (aka
Professor Sprout) 

"You have to be very, very careful not to do anything that might make him
laugh. The twinkle in your eye can make him laugh." - Jason Isaacs (aka Lucius
Malfoy) 

"To find an 11 year old with a complexity of someone like Dan Radcliffe, was
difficult." - Chris Columbus

####

"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our
abilities."? - Albus Dumbledore, in "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

"Anyone could be the one to change your life" -- Monte Montgomery
http://www.montemontgomery.com

From splinched at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 20 05:54:44 2002
From: splinched at hotmail.com (eudaemonia_splinched )
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:54:44 -0000
Subject: Quotes about Daniel Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- Anne U wrote:
> Since I'm fairly new to this group, I don't know how many of these 
have been submitted previously, but here are some interesting quotes 
about Daniel Radcliffe which I found at 
 Basically they reinforce 
the opinion I've had since I first saw Daniel in PS/SS -- what some 
reviewers decry as "wooden" or "unanimated", others recognize 
as "depth", "stillness", "maturity" etc.
> 

Hi Anne :) I'm new to this group as well. Thanks for the link...

Mind you, I'm a fan of Radcliffe myself, but after reading the book I 
don't know if the character Harry Potter was meant to be so deep or 
mature. I'm one of those people who watched the movie first, got 
drawn in, started reading the books and... well... noticed a 
significant difference in the movie version of Harry. So I can 
understand why some reviewers can perceive Daniel's portrayal of the 
character as being unanimated.

But that would be the fault of the director wouldn't it? Whether it 
was in (sorry to say & hopefully not) casting the wrong actor or 
misdirecting them in the scene, the movie Harry isn't faithful the 
the character in the book (who's a bit angrier, talks and fights 
back, etc). And that *was* one of Columbus' main concerns, wasn't it? 
Maintaining faithfulness to the book?

It would be very interesting to see Alfonso Cuaron's version. I'd 
like to see how he can realistically transform the still and mature 
version of Columbus' Harry into the raging-angry-orphaned-teen Harry 
confronting Sirius in the Shrieking Shack.

Eu

From itzregina at hanson.net  Fri Dec 20 19:04:44 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina )
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:04:44 -0000
Subject: Losing COS at my local theater on the 24th  
Message-ID: 

Why couldn't they keep it until after school break is over?  They 
don't seem to understand the low sales were because the kids were in 
school!  Ah well, I guess I will catch it one more time this weekend.

Gina

From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Fri Dec 20 19:20:00 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:20:00 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Losing COS at my local theater on the 24th
Message-ID: 

Gina said:-

>Why couldn't they keep it until after school break is over?  They
>don't seem to understand the low sales were because the kids were in
>school!  Ah well, I guess I will catch it one more time this weekend.

Sympathies; amazingly short-sighted of the theatre.

I have been watching the movie listings at our local multiplex. CoS was
showing 17 times a day until two days ago, when Lord of the Rings opened,
when it reduced to 7, 9 at weekends. That's showings per day.

I think it's probably safe through the holidays. This particular multiplex
has a tradition of hanging on to films for as long as possible; they are
still showing 'Greek Wedding' 3? months after its release.

As I mentioned previously, PS/SS lasted until mid-February of this
year...hope CoS lasts as long...

Regards,
Nicholas

From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Fri Dec 20 19:20:01 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:20:01 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CoS set article
Message-ID: 

Barbara said:-

>Does anyone have the Month/issue number of the recent
>Architectural Digest that had the articel on the CoS sets?

November 2002. Our office subscribes.

Someone previously asked whether AD does regular features on movie sets,
and I meant to respond but never did. The answer is yes, if a movie has a
particularly outstanding interior set. I recall them doing articles on
'Ransom' and  'Meet Joe Black', and they also sometimes do TV series like
'West Wing' and 'The Sopranos'. The CoS article was something of a
departure because this was the first time they had featured a 'fantasy'
interior; usually, they focus on cutting-edge contemporary design.

As someone else mentioned, AD is a pretty elitist publication, but if you
are into architecture, interiors or antiques, it's a must-read.

Regards,
Nicholas

From deidre at panix.com  Sat Dec 21 07:38:57 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:38:57 -0500
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <1040309536.304.5572.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021221023455.042c1710@pop.panix.com>

At 02:52 PM 12/19/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Message: 8
>    Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:07:52 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Petra Pan 
>Subject: CASTING - Lupin
>
>Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
>anybody else's mental image of Lupin?  He played
>Matthew (the bereaved one at the funeral service)
>in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
>
>http://us.imdb.com/Name?Hannah,+John
>
>His show, MDs on ABC, was recently
>cancelled...so, he's probably available.

Ah, too bad to hear about MDs being cancelled. I've like Hannah a lot since 
I first saw him in the remake/sequel thingy of "The Love Bug", quite a good 
villian , and he's rather funny in "The Mummy". I would surely like to 
see some more of his work. He's got a distinctive face and voice, at least 
to Americans , and might could do the part justice. As PoA is my fave HP 
book so far, I do so want the casting of Lupin and Sirius and Peter to be 
spot on! But hmmm, I might see him as Sirus more so.

Deidre

From deidre at panix.com  Sat Dec 21 07:57:41 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:57:41 -0500
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <1040394755.278.76557.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021221025200.042c5cd0@pop.panix.com>

At 02:32 PM 12/20/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:16:37 -0800 (PST)
>    From: kelly broughton 
>Subject: Re: Re: CASTING - Lupin
>
>Since I am American and really don't know any of these names apart from
>Ewan and Jeremy, I'll throw out a name I am only a bit familiar with:
>Stuart Townsend. I only saw him in one role- playing Lestat in Queen of
>the Damned. He has had other movie roles, and he's Irish... hey, it was
>just a thought.
>
>Those of you who might be more knowledgable about his career...comments?

The man who would have been King, Aragorn, that is.  ST was cast and 
spent a couple of months with the cast and crew of "The Lord of Rings", but 
after a few days into actual filming, the makeup crews went to Peter 
Jackson and admitted that there was no way that they could age a 26 year 
old to have that older look that was needed to play Strider the 
weatherbeaten ranger who had been all over Middle Earth for years and 
years. So Stuart was let go, and Viggo was persuaded to play the role. 
Stuart was 26 in 1999, so I'm not sure that he is old enough for the role 
of Lupin, either. I'll have to head over to
http://www.imdb.com
and see if there's any pictures there of him and get back to you.

Deidre

Deidre, who only saw the first Anne Rice movie

From tinkerbell634 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 23 01:10:48 2002
From: tinkerbell634 at yahoo.com (tinkerbell634 )
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:10:48 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20021221025200.042c5cd0@pop.panix.com>
Message-ID: 

I hate to be the odd man out here, but i'd be dissappointed to see 
anyone but Dominic Keating as Lupin... anyone?

~Tinkerbell

From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 23 03:04:10 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve )
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:04:10 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "tinkerbell634 "

 wrote:
> I hate to be the odd man out here, but i'd be dissappointed to see 
> anyone but Dominic Keating as Lupin... anyone?
> 
> ~Tinkerbell

bboy_mn:

Generally, I like the idea. He has a gaunt, hollow cheeked appearance
that could be maded-up to appear as a man under stress. While he is
close to the exact age of the character, he's going to look a little
young along side Snape. I can't recall any of his appearance is movies
or (most likely where I would have seen him) in 'The Enterprise', but
just from his basic appearance, I think he could play someone with a
warm gentleness that I picture in Lupin, and at the sametime project
someone with inner strength.

At the end there is my general assesment of Lupin. He is a man of
contrast. On one hand he is a beast, a deadly monster, but at the
sametime, he is a gentle, intelligent, unassuming person. Good
looking, but not pretty boy or bad boy handsome. I also don't picture
him as a large man with an overly athletic build. Basically, average
height and perhaps slightly underweight.

They are going to have to do things to both make Snape look younger
and Lupin look older. To some extent, the apparent age difference
could simply be that some people do not age well. In highschool, they
look like they are 30, when they are 30, they look closer to 50.

So pending the viewing of one of his performances, I'd say you might
be on to something here.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn

From morrigan at byz.org  Mon Dec 23 04:33:44 2002
From: morrigan at byz.org (Vicki)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:33:44 -0600
Subject: Losing COS at my local theater on the 24th
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I find it really odd that some theatres have stopped showing CoS.  I don't
know about anyone else, but I've been seeing the same sorts of Xmas-themed
commercials for CoS as they did for SS last year - "holiday magic" or some
such tagline.  I know I intend to see it again in the next few weeks, so it
had better stick around!

Morri
www.RestrictedSection.org
www.livejournal.com/users/hermorrine

From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 23 07:50:08 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:50:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CASTING - Lupin, Sirius / Rickman
Message-ID: <20021223075008.87556.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com>

Petra Pan (yours truly):
> Does the sadder-but-now-wiser John Hannah fit
> anybody else's mental image of Lupin?  He 
> played Matthew (the bereaved one at the 
> funeral service) in Four Weddings and a
> Funeral.

Dom: 
> I was thinking also James Purefoy, but that's
> possibly more a Sirius thing.
> I was watching Resident Evil today, he is
> (the bad guy) Spence, and also
> played the jousting king in A Knight's Tale.

Don't remember him in Resident Evil but yes,
Purefoy's performance as Sir Thomas
Colville/Edward, the Black Prince of Wales, in A
Knight's Tale did remind me of Sirius.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Purefoy,+James

Speaking of Sirius, Angus MacFadyen's performance
as Robert the Bruce in Braveheart also reminded
me of aspects of Sirius.

http://us.imdb.com/Name?MacFadyen,%20Angus

Hmm...has anyone mentioned these two before?

Wait - what's that I hear?  I should consider
just one person per role?  But why?

After all, until an actor actually tackles the
material in auditions and screen tests, no one
can be truly certain of the viability of that
particular combination of actor and role.  So why
nix ANY mix?  We have seen the character types
that are reminiscent of Sirius and of Lupin many
times in the past and undoubtedly will many times
henceforth.  Surely there are more than just one
actor who can meet the requirements of each of
these roles and therefore worthy of
consideration.

Having said that...

I must admit to strong doubts about that rumor in
regards to Richard O'Brien.  Even I find it
difficult imagining Mr. Riff Raff as Sirius - I
mean really, won't he be too busy playing Filch
already?

http://us.imdb.com/Name?O%27Brien,%20Richard%20(I)

John Hannah as Lupin would not be NEARLY as much
of a stretch as O'Brien as Sirius, for an
example.  Not only is the task of molding Hannah
into Lupin a do-able one (meaning the role is
within Hannah's range in a way the role of Sirius
is not in O'Brien's), I also have enough regard
for his abilities as an actor to think Hannah
capable of carrying out such a task.

I have that same regard for MANY other British
actors - some have even been mentioned on this
list.  I can't pick just one out of the throng
without seeing them work with the materials.  And
that is just never going to happen...pity...

Back to Dom:
> I think John Hannah is great, I
> especially liked him in the Mummy (+Mummy
> Returns) but I'm still not overly
> sure on whether i think he'd fit the role,
> although his range is rather good.

It was his performance in Four Weddings and a
Funeral that put him in my mind for Lupin.

GulPlum AKA Richard replied to my original query:
> In brief, not in the slightest.
> 
> Sorry for the short post, but the suggestion
> *really* made me shudder.

More in the spirit of exploring this issue than
challenging a personal opinion, I ask "Why the
shudder?"  Just his age (or lack of thereof)
isn't a good enough reason.

GulPlum:
> still holding out for a 
> Jeremy Irons type (if not the man himself).

I have a high enough opinion of Irons to hope
that if he had wanted a shot at the role, that he
got his shot.  He would do well.

OT aside: Just saw Irons in The Man in the Iron
Mask and it occurred to me that the Marauders and
the Musketeers have a lot in common...though I
can't imagine this hasn't already been discussed
on the main list.

Rrishi:
> As for Jeremy Irons......the 
> actor's palpable intensity on-screen makes him
> an odd choice, IMO, 
> for an apparently mild and unprepossessing
> Professor Lupin. Even if he were 
> sprinkled with dust and dressed shabbily.

Irons has successfully done non-intense roles in
his career...such roles do not make as visceral 
of impressions as do the intense ones, though.

Princess Peanut:
> I'm still holding out 
> for Colin Firth as Lupin - he's exactly as I'd
> imagined Remus.  But, if Firth is busy,
> Hannah's my second choice.

I'd have no problems with Firth as the
quintessential lone wolf.  Though, it'd be harder
to believe that no woman on the British Isle
would have him, werewolf or not.  :)

Jessica's comments on Irons:
> He's also far, far too old.    
> He's certainly not believable as
> someone who is PREMATURELY graying.

prompted this response (in part) from GulPlum,
asserting that since Snape is:
> meant to be Lupin's (younger-looking, by
> your admission) contemporary, the movie
> casting has already thrown the importance
> of that single mention of "young" with
> regard to Lupin out of the window.
>
> The logic of the story DEMANDS that he actor
> should be someone who is 
> believably the same age as Alan Rickman,
> but appears older (the same goes for Sirius).
> 
> As a result, surely it would make sense to
> cast someone *older* than 
> Rickman, NOT younger? Or at the VERY least,
> someone of approximately the same age?
> 
> The logic of casting someone *considerably*
> younger than him (around 
> 15 years in the case of Firth or Hannah,
> or 30 in the case of Farrell!) quite
> simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Creating the impression that Lupin is a man whose
physical body is aged beyond his years will be no
small task, no matter WHO they cast.  The match
should be between the on-screen characters NOT
between the real life actors.  Rickman's Snape is
not meant to be Rickman's peer in RL now is he?

So, would casting older with youthful make-up
better bring about the appearance of a man who
should be in his prime but instead is physically
"over the hill" or would casting younger with
aging make-up be better?  I don't know.  The
actual age of the actor contributes only in part
to how successful he might be in conveying the
sense of being both old AND young at the same
time.

GulPlum:
> when we first meet him, Lupin is described
> as "quite young", but this description is
> simply there to underline the fact that his
> condition has had an adverse effect on his
> appearance

Perhaps here's where we most differ.  Lupin's
tragedy in this lifetime is his becoming a
werewolf.  I've always consider this a part of
the theme of choice.  Lupin is one of the most
sympathetic characters in the series because
though no choice of his own (that we know about),
his life must be conducted around becoming a
full-fledged monster once every month.

More than just a detriment to his appearance,
looking older than his years says more about
Lupin's tragedy than the stoic man would ever
consider uttering in dialogue.  It's an extremely
subtle detail but one that resonates.  Because
this detail is much easier to type than show,
casting Lupin is undoubtedly one helluva headache
and why I find it fascinating.

GulPlum:
> The insistence of some fans to give
> these parts to 30-something 
> actors actually makes me angry. I
> can understand kids insisting on 
> it, but surely adults can be just a
> LITTLE more objective? I really, 
> sincerely, would suggest that people
> take this matter on board when 
> imagining who might be cast. Start
> with Rickman and work around him, 
> NOT the (scant) age indications in the books.

Couple of things to consider here:

To use the actual age of an actor as the
make-or-break factor for his suitability for a
role is to stand on shaky grounds.  We are
talking about a medium that bases its
effectiveness on illusions after all...illusions
that, when done right, reflect the reality with
more truth than a mirror.  What is the function
of age in this discussion but how the physical
appearance of Lupin will strike the audience?

Perhaps I speak only for myself, but I am under
the impression that actors are being nominated
for consideration (so to speak) to play certain
characters on this list for showing promise...for
conveying aspects of such characters' souls and
essences in previous work.

I find such qualities just as important in the
portrayals of our beloved fictional personalities
as the physical and quantifiable qualities (such
as age, height, etc.) that are so often modified
by the arts applicable in the making of films.

Or, as Rrishi puts it:
> the age of the actors chosen
> to play Lupin or Sirius (given 
> that the casting people stay away
> from extremes of youth or age) 
> does not seem as important as their
> apparent fittingness for the parts.

Even disregarding the above point, the
age-appropriate casting of Lupin and Sirius to
match the rest of those who attended Hogwarts at
the same time cannot depend wholly on Rickman and
his on-screen visage as Snape.

As Jessica puts it:
> As far as casting according to Rickman's age
> range, I'd ask you to consider the actors who
> play in James and Lily Potter in the movie.
> Do they necessarily look like contemporaries
> of Rickman's Snape? Not really.

Lily and James, even aged up 10+ years to make up
for the fact that the images of them are from
over a decade ago, still seems much younger than
Rickman's Snape to me.  GulPlum's approach that
"start with Rickman and work around him" does not
address the need to match up with Lily and James,
as far as those of my ilk are concerned.

But if GulPlum can fashion a convincing argument
advocating a switch of opinion to that which he
holds - without calling into question the
maturity of those who hold the differing
viewpoint - I am listening.

Can't promise a prompt reply, but I would be
happy to consider the stance arguing that Lupin,
Sirius, and Peter should look closer to the age
of Rickman as Snape than to the age of Lily &
James as they appeared in the movies plus 10+
years.

Jessica also wrote, in reply to GulPlum:
> I get just as irritated with people who refuse
> to acknowledge that fact as you are with people
> who you seem to think are letting their
> immature, starstruck tendencies guide their
> casting opinions.    I don't appreciate
> having your issues superimposed on my views.
>    Please don't talk down to us like
> we're ignorant and juvenile.

I second that, adding just this: I rarely post
and even more rarely on casting.  Objectively
speaking, only when I am lumped in with those
(from other forums too or just here?) who make
GulPlum angry can my rare casting suggestion be
considered part of the persistent pestilence. 
And FWIW GulPlum, I am not as offended as Jessica
by your recent spurt of...uhm...grumpiness. 
Truth be told, I am rather used to your style by
now. 

Though I must confess to missing your usual
cut-to-the-chase manner of posting;
cut-to-the-quick is just not the same.  Must be
that toxic cloud of oven cleaning fumes...you
know, the one that, even as we tap away on the
keyboards, is hopefully dissipating?

Rrishi on how suitable the adult cast members
are:
> Rickman has always looked a little brittle.

Or, as Emma Thompson puts it: "Sometimes Alan
reminds me of the owl in Beatrix Potter's
'Squirrel Nutkin.'  If you took too many
liberties with him I'm sure he'd have your tail
off in a trice."

No, I don't think I would trade Rickman for an
age-appropriate Snape.

Petra, the Late & Long-winded
a
n  :)

Also from Emma Thompson's published diary +
screenplay of "Sense & Sensibility" -

overheard on set -

Kate Winslet: 
"Oh God, my knickers have gone up my arse."

Alan Rickman: 
"Ah. Feminine mystique strikes again."

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From urbana at charter.net  Tue Dec 24 04:07:07 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:07:07 -0000
Subject: Quotes about Daniel Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eudaemonia_splinched 
"  wrote:
>> Mind you, I'm a fan of Radcliffe myself, but after reading the 
book I 
> don't know if the character Harry Potter was meant to be so deep or 
> mature. I'm one of those people who watched the movie first, got 
> drawn in, started reading the books and... well... noticed a 
> significant difference in the movie version of Harry. So I can 
> understand why some reviewers can perceive Daniel's portrayal of 
the 
> character as being unanimated.
> 
> But that would be the fault of the director wouldn't it? Whether it 
> was in (sorry to say & hopefully not) casting the wrong actor or 
> misdirecting them in the scene, the movie Harry isn't faithful the 
> the character in the book (who's a bit angrier, talks and fights 
> back, etc). And that *was* one of Columbus' main concerns, wasn't 
it? 
> Maintaining faithfulness to the book?

I would agree that some of the "deepening" of Harry is definitely the 
work of director Chris Columbus. At the end of the video of Harry 
Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (at least the American video), there 
are several scenes, or perhaps alternate takes, that were cut from 
the movie. One in particular caught my attention - when Snape was 
picking on Harry in Potions class and asking him all those questions 
and Harry kept saying "I don't know." And Snape said "Clearly, fame 
isn't everything." That's where the scene ends in the movie - but in 
the alternate take, Harry then shoots back (very snarky), "Clearly, 
Hermione knows the answer; why don't you ask her?" I thought that 
take was great - so I guess it was Columbus' call to use a different, 
more subdued take that frankly only trimmed maybe 15 seconds from the 
film's length.

> It would be very interesting to see Alfonso Cuaron's version. I'd 
> like to see how he can realistically transform the still and mature 
> version of Columbus' Harry into the raging-angry-orphaned-teen 
Harry 
> confronting Sirius in the Shrieking Shack.

Oh, by the time that scene is filmed, Daniel will be almost 14 ... I 
think hormones alone will enable him to dig into the raging-angry-
orphaned-teen Harry ;-)

BTW ... there are days I wish I was 14 again ...:-)
http://www.qubefactor.com/radnet/pictures/danchinapics/star_news-
20021222-1207-4.jpg

Anne U
(yes, remembering those 14-year-old swoony days fondly ;-)

From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Dec 24 08:37:42 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:37:42 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] RE: Losing COS at my local theater on the 24th
Message-ID: 

I have just returned from seeing it again. I chose the 5.45 p.m. showing,
hoping that it wouldn't be too busy (after the matinee crowd, before the
evening rush). No chance. The cinema was *full*; I only got in because they
had two premium seats left...double the cost, but worth it for an
uninterrupted show (no one in your line of sight, no one squeezing past to
take kids to the toilet).

I am starting to see posters for CoS...the only ones around at the time of
the release were on the local buses. I suppose that they are working hard
for the Christmas crowd, and against Lord of the Rings in particular. Good
strategy. I also saw a commercial for CoS on TV for the first time the
other day. Granted, I don't watch much TV, but again I decided that it's a
new campaign to prolong the run.

My Christmas present to myself was the CD of the CoS soundtrack...I like
Fawkes's theme, but what I really bought it for were the two trailers on
the accompanying CD-Rom. They will tide me over the lean period once CoS
leaves the cinema and before it arrives on video!

Regards,
Nicholas

From blessedbrian at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 24 14:35:49 2002
From: blessedbrian at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova )
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:35:49 -0000
Subject: Losing COS at my local theater on the 24th (and final scene)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

  My best friend and I saw COS again (3rd time) this past Saturday 
afternoon and although it only had two showings in a smaller 
theater than the first time we had seen it, it had an excellent crowd 
(especially when you consider the fact that this was the opening 
weekend for the new Lord of the Rings flick!) of many of whom you 
could tell were really getting into it.  We figured they were mainly 
those of us diehard Harry fans returning, but by the response of 
many, it seemed to be their first time.  

  And this time, we stayed through the final credits (all ten minutes 
of them) to see the final scene (though everyone else had left and 
the cleaning crew had come in and began to pick up).  If you have not 
seen this scene (we didn't know about it until after the 2nd viewing 
and reading about it on line), be sure and wait through the credits 
on your next viewing (or fast forward them on the DVD/VHS version 
(VHS?  Does anyone do VHS anymore??  How last century!;-)). 

  Brian(Anxiously awaiting the announcement of the DVD release so we 
can put in for personal days at work and be there at midnight to pick 
up our copy!):-)          

From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 24 16:38:58 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora )
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:38:58 -0000
Subject: Quotes about Daniel Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " > 

> > It would be very interesting to see Alfonso Cuaron's version. 
I'd 
> > like to see how he can realistically transform the still and 
mature 
> > version of Columbus' Harry into the raging-angry-orphaned-teen 
> Harry 
> > confronting Sirius in the Shrieking Shack.
>  
> Oh, by the time that scene is filmed, Daniel will be almost 14 ... 
I 
> think hormones alone will enable him to dig into the raging-angry-
> orphaned-teen Harry ;-)

I think we got a teensy preview of angry Harry when he and Ron 
confront Lockhart.  I loved it!  Especially when Harry sort of has a 
snarly look on his face and says, "Are you GOING somewhere?!"  And 
then the scene where he tells Lockhart, confidently, "Don't even 
THINK about it."   I'm positive Daniel can pull it off.  But then, I 
am one of those Radcliffe fans that thinks his performance has been 
wonderful.  

> BTW ... there are days I wish I was 14 again ...:-)
> http://www.qubefactor.com/radnet/pictures/danchinapics/star_news-
> 20021222-1207-4.jpg

I couldn't get that link to work.  *sniff*  I remember my swoony 
days, too.  Wasn't it fun?  Although, I am ashamed to say, even 
though I am married, there are still a few celebrities that make me 
swoon!  :D  If I want to swoon, all I do is pop in the "Ocean's 
Eleven"  dvd and I can get my fix of gorgeous men. ;)

I can't wait for PoA!!!  

Alora

From urbana at charter.net  Tue Dec 24 19:14:43 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:14:43 -0000
Subject: Quotes about Daniel Radcliffe
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alora " 
 wrote:
> > BTW ... there are days I wish I was 14 again ...:-)
> > http://www.qubefactor.com/radnet/pictures/danchinapics/star_news-
> > 20021222-1207-4.jpg
> 
> I couldn't get that link to work. 

Try this one:
http://www.danielradclifferocks.com/chinapremiere.htm

and be sure to scroll down to the bottom, which is the same photo as 
the above link :-)

> *sniff*  I remember my swoony 
> days, too.  Wasn't it fun?  Although, I am ashamed to say, even 
> though I am married, there are still a few celebrities that make me 
> swoon!  :D  If I want to swoon, all I do is pop in the "Ocean's 
> Eleven"  dvd and I can get my fix of gorgeous men. ;)

George Clooney, Brad Pitt, etc.... swoony?? NAAAAH ;-)

> 
> I can't wait for PoA!!!  

Right now I'd settle for getting to see CoS again before the video 
comes out. But PoA will definitely be a new kettle of fish. These 
kids are all growing and changing at an exponential rate lately, and 
we might not recognize some of them by 2004! 

Anne U
(wondering how tall Daniel and Rupert will be when PoA premieres in 
2004)

From phelan_ironwolf at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 25 15:16:35 2002
From: phelan_ironwolf at yahoo.com (Phelan )
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:16:35 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Express question
Message-ID: 

Does anyone know what the passenger cars on the train ID numbers are? 
Or can anyone direct me to a link with info on the Hogwarts Express?

From silveroak_us at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 26 20:13:15 2002
From: silveroak_us at yahoo.com (silveroak_us )
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Have read previous posts and found them interesting.

I wonder if Viggo Mortenson (currently Aragorn in the Lord of the 
Rings movie(s)) might be a good Lupin. He has the age (just turned 
44), he has the gaunt visage, he has the warmth/caring/depth that 
seems to be requisite, and may be looking for a new project now that 
LOTR is wrapping up. 

  **  Martin Miggs, the Mad Muggle **

From urbana at charter.net  Fri Dec 27 00:36:11 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:36:11 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "silveroak_us 
"  wrote:
> Have read previous posts and found them interesting.
> 
> I wonder if Viggo Mortenson (currently Aragorn in the Lord of the 
> Rings movie(s)) might be a good Lupin. He has the age (just turned 
> 44), he has the gaunt visage, he has the warmth/caring/depth that 
> seems to be requisite, and may be looking for a new project now 
that 
> LOTR is wrapping up. 
> 
>   **  Martin Miggs, the Mad Muggle **

Martin, you mad muggle ;) I was just thinking about Viggo Mortenson 
myself yesterday. I haven't seen him on film since Fellowship of the 
Rings last year, but glimpses of him in the TTT trailers on TV made 
me think HE might be a good Lupin too, for all the reasons you 
listed. Actually LOTR wrapped up well over a year ago, didn't it? 
IIRC Peter Jackson shot all 3 movies simultaneously over the course 
of 18 months.

Yes, I think Viggo Mortensen might do nicely as Lupin...if Ralph 
Fiennes isn't available ;-) 

Anne U
(wishing I was a fly on the PoA casting director's wall....)

From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 27 02:26:48 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kelly broughton)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:26:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20021227022648.58797.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com>

To be perfectly honest, I much perfer him as Sirius. Every time I
read/imagine Sirius, I always picture Aragorn.

So who do I think might make a good Lupin? The actor who plays Farimir
(Sean Bean?)

-kel

--- "Anne "  wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "silveroak_us 
> "  wrote:
> > Have read previous posts and found them interesting.
> > 
> > I wonder if Viggo Mortenson (currently Aragorn in the Lord of the 
> > Rings movie(s)) might be a good Lupin. He has the age (just turned 
> > 44), he has the gaunt visage, he has the warmth/caring/depth that 
> > seems to be requisite, and may be looking for a new project now 
> that 
> > LOTR is wrapping up. 
> > 
> >   **  Martin Miggs, the Mad Muggle **
> 
> Martin, you mad muggle ;) I was just thinking about Viggo Mortenson 
> myself yesterday. I haven't seen him on film since Fellowship of the 
> Rings last year, but glimpses of him in the TTT trailers on TV made 
> me think HE might be a good Lupin too, for all the reasons you 
> listed. Actually LOTR wrapped up well over a year ago, didn't it? 
> IIRC Peter Jackson shot all 3 movies simultaneously over the course 
> of 18 months.
> 
> Yes, I think Viggo Mortensen might do nicely as Lupin...if Ralph 
> Fiennes isn't available ;-) 
> 
> Anne U
> (wishing I was a fly on the PoA casting director's wall....)
> 
> 
> 

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From drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 27 03:37:28 2002
From: drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com (Ashley )
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:37:28 -0000
Subject: Time to Update the PoA Casting Polls?
Message-ID: 

I just went to the polls section to see who was the group favourite 
for the roles of Lupin and Sirius, and noticed the choices for the 
most part don't reflect our opinions anymore, since the poll was 
made in the summer. Perhaps it would be time for the creator to 
update the choices?

Ashley

P.S. My vote is Ewan McGregor for Lupin and Viggo Mortensen for 
Sirius!

From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 27 15:25:15 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora )
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:25:15 -0000
Subject: Time to Update the PoA Casting Polls?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Ashley " > 
P.S. My vote is Ewan McGregor for Lupin and Viggo Mortensen for 
> Sirius!

Oh YEAHHH!!!!  I'm a big fan of Ewan for Lupin....but I hadn't 
thought of Viggo for Sirius!  I think he would be great.  
But....they always try to cast British actors.  Do you think he has 
any chance at all?  Just wondering....

Alora

From potterfan23 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 27 23:39:11 2002
From: potterfan23 at hotmail.com (Emily F)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:39:11 -0600
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
Message-ID: 

>To be perfectly honest, I much perfer him as Sirius. Every time I
>read/imagine Sirius, I always picture Aragorn.
>
>So who do I think might make a good Lupin? The actor who plays Farimir
>(Sean Bean?)
>
>-kel

I agree with Kel, I think Viggo Mortensen would make an excellent Sirius.  
Alas, he's as American as apple pie.

The actor who plays Faramir, David Wenham, is Australian.  As long as 
Rowling is insisting on a British cast, he's out of the running as well.

Sean Bean plays Boromir, and I would consider him for Lupin.  It's somewhat 
difficult for me to picture him in the role after LOTR, but that certainly 
doesn't mean he can't pull it off.  I think he could definitely look the 
part, judging by some photos I've seen.

I don't know anymore...  I'm trying to wean myself off speculating.  ;-)  
Many people have mentioned some outstanding actors for both Remus and 
Sirius.  I'm having trouble picturing all the actors in the roles, since 
these roles seem somewhat unique (and subject to change - who knows what the 
roles will be like when it comes time to film OoP?).  If I could sit in on 
the casting auditions, I may be surprised.  Perhaps some actors that I love 
couldn't pull off the roles after all.  I'm going to TRY to leave the 
casting in the capable (God willing!) hands of the casting director.  
*shrug*  We'll have to wait and see, for a horrifyingly long time.  :-)

Emily

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From drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 28 03:40:33 2002
From: drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com (Ashley )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:40:33 -0000
Subject: Time to Update the PoA Casting Polls?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I'm still hoping he gets a chance. I think that of all the 
characters, Sirius would need to be the "least-British", since he's 
been in Azkaban so long. I think Viggo's whispery voice is perfect 
for such a role. If they restrict casting to only British actors, 
they could be missing out on some great talent. Don't get me wrong, 
ever since I fell in love with HP last year (specifically Alan 
Rickman), I have been introduced to all kinds of great British 
actors, who are, for the most part, better than most Americans. But 
There are still some great performers over here too. Viggo is one of 
them. Just my two cents. 

Ashley

From urbana at charter.net  Sat Dec 28 04:32:28 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:32:28 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
Message-ID: 

http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---14891,00.html

I'm trying not to hyperventilate ;-)

Anne U
(figuring the word will leak out soon about Sirius and Lupin any day 
now...)

From natmichaels at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 28 06:33:26 2002
From: natmichaels at hotmail.com (lorien_eve )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:33:26 -0000
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Viggo in LOTR. But I only see him as 
Aragorn, not Lupin. Besides, can any of us women handle him in the 
two biggest films of the year?? *swoon*

Lorien_Eve

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "silveroak_us 
"  wrote:
> Have read previous posts and found them interesting.
> 
> I wonder if Viggo Mortenson (currently Aragorn in the Lord of the 
> Rings movie(s)) might be a good Lupin. He has the age (just turned 
> 44), he has the gaunt visage, he has the warmth/caring/depth that 
> seems to be requisite, and may be looking for a new project now 
that 
> LOTR is wrapping up. 
> 
>   **  Martin Miggs, the Mad Muggle **

From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 07:22:45 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 07:22:45 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " 
wrote:
> http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---14891,00.html
> 
> I'm trying not to hyperventilate ;-)
> 
> Anne U
> (figuring the word will leak out soon about Sirius and Lupin any day 
> now...)

bboy_mn:

Better Ian McKellen than Christopher Lee. I get a much stronger sense
that Ian McKellen can play whimsical, playfully excentric, and one
major powerful force of magic.

Just my opinion.

bboy_mn

From divaclv at aol.com  Sat Dec 28 16:01:39 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312 )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:01:39 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " 
 wrote:
> http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---14891,00.html
> 
> I'm trying not to hyperventilate ;-)
> 
> Anne U
> (figuring the word will leak out soon about Sirius and Lupin any 
day 
> now...)

I'm still keeping one toe firmly rooted in skepticism, but this story 
has come up several places, including IMDb.  There may be a bit more 
weight behind it than the usual speculation...

I'm not sure I can look at McKellan in a robe and long white beard 
and be able to put Gandalf firmly to one side, but he's a talented 
enough actor that I'm willing to try.

~Christi

From urbana at charter.net  Sat Dec 28 16:17:30 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:17:30 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve " 
 wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " 

> wrote:
> > http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---14891,00.html
> > 
> > I'm trying not to hyperventilate ;-)

> 
> Better Ian McKellen than Christopher Lee. I get a much stronger 
sense
> that Ian McKellen can play whimsical, playfully excentric, and one
> major powerful force of magic.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> bboy_mn

Last weekend I watched the rerun of Ian McKellen hosting Saturday 
Night Live. He did a great job playing whimsical and playfully 
eccentric (including a very sly sendup of Dame Maggie) - and we 
already know he can play a major powerful force of magic. Plus, he'd 
be expanding the "David Copperfield Alumni Association" in the Harry 
Potter cast ;-) I definitely prefer McKellen to Christopher Lee, who 
I've never seen except as an Ever-So-Evil Villain like Saruman and 
those Star Wars bad guys. 

Anne U
(who just discovered that Professor McGonagall might have a more-than-
professorial interest in Percy Weasley...;-)

From urbana at charter.net  Sat Dec 28 16:25:34 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:25:34 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " 
 wrote:
 > 
> Anne U
> (who just discovered that Professor McGonagall might have a more-
than-
> professorial interest in Percy Weasley...;-)

Oops my extremely bad (whacking forehead on dresser many times, a la 
Dobby). Dame Maggie is the mother of Chris Larkin (whoever that is), 
NOT Chris Rankin, who plays Percy. "Never mind"...

Anne U
(slinking under chair)

From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 17:13:56 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:13:56 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Christi wrote:

> I'm still keeping one toe firmly rooted in skepticism, but this 
story 
> has come up several places, including IMDb.  

This article and the IMDB one are the same, however.  So they only 
count as one.  Where else have you seen it?

The thing that makes me suspect this is just a rumor is the bit about 
Christopher Lee having been "tipped" for the role (if "tipped" means 
more than "put on a list of possible actors to approach"), since Lee 
denies it in no uncertain terms.

www.the-leaky-cauldron.org

Amy
who thinks Sir Ian would be great

From firekat482 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 17:30:35 2002
From: firekat482 at yahoo.com (firekat482 )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:30:35 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Just found this article on the net. Seems to pretty much debunk the 
previous article. But who knows anymore? Maybe they just like to play 
with fan's minds...:P

http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?
newsid1041025806,66816,

You'll probably have to cut and paste, as I am not exactly sure how 
to go about making a link.

Jean

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z " 
 wrote:
> Christi wrote:
> 
> > I'm still keeping one toe firmly rooted in skepticism, but this 
> story has come up several places, including IMDb.  
> 
> This article and the IMDB one are the same, however.  So they only 
> count as one.  Where else have you seen it?
> 
> The thing that makes me suspect this is just a rumor is the bit 
about Christopher Lee having been "tipped" for the role (if "tipped" 
means more than "put on a list of possible actors to approach"), 
since Lee denies it in no uncertain terms.
> 
> www.the-leaky-cauldron.org
> 
> Amy
> who thinks Sir Ian would be great

From firekat482 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 17:33:53 2002
From: firekat482 at yahoo.com (firekat482 )
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:33:53 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Arggg...stupid yahoo. You need to cut and paste (or just take the 
time to type the whole thing in :P) the *entire* two lines - not just 
the part that yahoo has so helpfully (yeah, right) higlighted.

Jean

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "firekat482 " 
 wrote:
> Just found this article on the net. Seems to pretty much debunk the 
> previous article. But who knows anymore? Maybe they just like to 
play 
> with fan's minds...:P
> 
> http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?
> newsid1041025806,66816,
> 
> You'll probably have to cut and paste, as I am not exactly sure how 
> to go about making a link.
> 
> Jean

From deidre at panix.com  Sat Dec 28 18:53:12 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:53:12 -0500
Subject: CASTING - Lupin
In-Reply-To: <1040995147.183.12100.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021228135151.04dfa330@pop.panix.com>

At 01:19 PM 12/27/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:13:15 -0000
>    From: "silveroak_us " 
>Subject: Re: CASTING - Lupin
>
>Have read previous posts and found them interesting.
>
>I wonder if Viggo Mortenson (currently Aragorn in the Lord of the
>Rings movie(s)) might be a good Lupin. He has the age (just turned
>44), he has the gaunt visage, he has the warmth/caring/depth that
>seems to be requisite, and may be looking for a new project now that
>LOTR is wrapping up.

Oh, please ghod, yes! I think he could do the part very very well. Alas, he 
is American, so they probably won't think of him.

Deidre, going to see TTT again today  

From divaclv at aol.com  Sun Dec 29 03:26:21 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312 )
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:26:21 -0000
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amy Z " 
 wrote:
> This article and the IMDB one are the same, however.  So they only 
> count as one.  Where else have you seen it?

People.com also has something on it, although they do point out that 
neither WB nor McKellen's people have made an official announcement.  
And then there's another article circulating which debunks the whole 
thing...

Is it January 1 yet?

~Christi

From deidre at panix.com  Sun Dec 29 18:17:29 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:17:29 -0500
Subject: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
In-Reply-To: <1041173474.294.69444.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021229131335.04b712d0@pop.panix.com>

At 02:51 PM 12/29/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Message: 5
>    Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:30:35 -0000
>    From: "firekat482 " 
>Subject: Re: ACK!!! probably just a rumor ..... is it possible??
>
>Just found this article on the net. Seems to pretty much debunk the
>previous article. But who knows anymore? Maybe they just like to play
>with fan's minds...:P
>
>http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?
>newsid1041025806,66816,
>
>You'll probably have to cut and paste, as I am not exactly sure how
>to go about making a link.

Here's a trick that works in many, but not all, email programs: put angle 
brackets around the URL, like this:

Wasn't sure that last comma should be in there, so here is the link without 
the last comma:

Any un-needed punctuation at the end of a URL link will cause it to not work.

HTH,
Deidre

PS I like Sir Ian as Gandalf, but I'm still in the camp of Peter O'Toole 
when it comes to re-casting Dumbledore.

From kdoucette at gt.rr.com  Sun Dec 29 22:48:26 2002
From: kdoucette at gt.rr.com (Kayla )
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:48:26 -0000
Subject: McGonagall's Name on 1971 Plaque
Message-ID: 

Hello, everyone!  I was watching HPSS movie the other day with my 
kids, and I noticed something I hadn't noticed before.  It's right 
after Harry finds out he's the new seeker on the Quidditch team.  
It's the scene where Hermione shows Harry his father's Seeker plaque 
in the trophy case.  They zoom in on James Potter's name, and that's 
where I saw it...there's a "1969 R.J.H. King" plaque, then a "Seeker 
James Potter 1970" plaque, then the plaque to the right has "1971 
M.G. McGonagall" on it!  I paused the DVD & zoomed in on it just to 
make sure.  Professor Minerva McGonagall is too old to have her name 
on a 1971 plaque (since she's over 70 yrs. old), SO I wonder if she 
has a son or daughter around the age of James Potter?  Professor 
McGonagall DOES enjoy Quidditch a lot (she's very competitive).  I 
wonder if this is a clue to future books, or if it's a mistake in the 
movie?!  What do you think? 

From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Dec 30 02:33:31 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312 )
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:33:31 -0000
Subject: McGonagall's Name on 1971 Plaque
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kayla " 
 wrote:
> They zoom in on James Potter's name, and that's 
> where I saw it...there's a "1969 R.J.H. King" plaque, then 
a "Seeker 
> James Potter 1970" plaque, then the plaque to the right has "1971 
> M.G. McGonagall" on it!  I paused the DVD & zoomed in on it just to 
> make sure.  Professor Minerva McGonagall is too old to have her 
name 
> on a 1971 plaque (since she's over 70 yrs. old), SO I wonder if she 
> has a son or daughter around the age of James Potter?  Professor 
> McGonagall DOES enjoy Quidditch a lot (she's very competitive).  I 
> wonder if this is a clue to future books, or if it's a mistake in 
the 
> movie?!  What do you think?

Moviemistakes.com, perhaps the best website for slipups, plot holes, 
and continuity errors, points out that the plaque doesn't explicitly 
refer to *Minerva* McGonagall, and therefore it could be a younger 
relative of hers.

~Christi

From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Mon Dec 30 03:26:40 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 30 Dec 2002 03:26:40 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1041218800.476.18324.w8@yahoogroups.com>

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Who should play Lupin? (New and updated 
choices!) 

  o Ewan McGregor 
  o Sean Bean 
  o Colin Firth 
  o Christian Bale 
  o Hugh Jackman 
  o Dominic Keating 
  o John Hannah 
  o Viggo Mortensen 
  o Other 

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11006689  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Mon Dec 30 03:29:12 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 30 Dec 2002 03:29:12 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1041218952.104.34276.w73@yahoogroups.com>

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Who should play Sirius? (New and 
updated choices!) 

  o Jason Carter 
  o Ralph Fiennes 
  o Goran Visnjic 
  o Hugh Jackman 
  o Jeremey Irons 
  o James Purefoy 
  o Angus MacFayden 
  o Viggo Mortensen 
  o Other 

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11006691  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 30 03:31:22 2002
From: drinky_mcmilk at hotmail.com (Ashley )
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:31:22 -0000
Subject: New Casting Polls
Message-ID: 

Hi Everyone,

The new polls I just posted are based on the top five choices from 
the last polls, and three new names that were discussed in the group 
over the last week. Sorry I didn't have time to go back further and 
get more names, but if the actor you really want still isn't there, 
you can always choose "other". Enjoy!

Ashley

From urbana at charter.net  Mon Dec 30 03:37:02 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:37:02 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie
In-Reply-To: <1041218952.104.34276.w73@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
> HPFGU-Movie group:
> 
> Who should play Sirius? (New and 
> updated choices!) 
> 
>   o Jason Carter 
>   o Ralph Fiennes 
>   o Goran Visnjic 
>   o Hugh Jackman 
>   o Jeremey Irons 
>   o James Purefoy 
>   o Angus MacFayden 
>   o Viggo Mortensen 
>   o Other 

AACCK! I was hoping to see Ralph Fiennes listed in the "Who Should 
Play LUPIN?" poll too ... IIRC nobody here really suggested Ralph for 
Sirius. Oh well:-( I hadn't thought of Goran Visnjic for Sirius...
hmmm. Nope, I think Goran is probably too tall and he's got too much 
of an Eastern European acccent. Now Hugh Jackman...Hmmm. That's an 
interesting prospect. 

Anne U
(doesn't want to see Jason Carter v. Ralph Fiennes for Sirius!!:-)

From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Mon Dec 30 03:40:37 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 30 Dec 2002 03:40:37 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1041219637.105.65571.w44@yahoogroups.com>

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Who should play Sirius Black (new &
updated choices)? 

  o Daniel Day-Lewis 
  o Jason Carter 
  o Ralph Fiennes 
  o Goran Visnjic 
  o Hugh Jackson 
  o Jeremy Irons 
  o James Purefoy 
  o Angus MacFayden 
  o Viggo Mortensen 
  o Other 

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11006700  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!

From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Dec 30 03:42:28 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:42:28 -0600
Subject: New Casting Polls
References: 
Message-ID: <017d01c2afb5$79bebd40$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

Since *my* long-standing favorite choice for Sirius was mysteriously left off the polling choices, I've recreated the poll.  :--)

The 3 people who had voted before I deleted Ashley's original poll will need to revote -- sorry about that.

Penny

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

From renati at link.net.id  Mon Dec 30 03:53:13 2002
From: renati at link.net.id (Renati Adriani)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:53:13 +0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New poll for HPFGU-Movie
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1041218952.104.34276.w73@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: 

>AACCK! I was hoping to see Ralph Fiennes listed in the "Who Should 
>Play LUPIN?" poll too ... IIRC nobody here really suggested Ralph for 
>Sirius. Oh well:-( I hadn't thought of Goran Visnjic for Sirius...
>hmmm. Nope, I think Goran is probably too tall and he's got too much 
>of an Eastern European acccent. Now Hugh Jackman...Hmmm. That's an 
>interesting prospect. 

Well, maybe not suggested on this list, but Ralph has always been my first
and absolute choice for Sirius! As for Lupin... er, no one has mentioned
Jude Law then?

Back to lurking (and thoughts of Rickman and Fiennes "eyeing each other
with the utmost loathing"),
Tituk

From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 04:00:55 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:00:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Sirius Black poll
In-Reply-To: <1041219637.105.65571.w44@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021230040055.71991.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com>

> Who should play Sirius Black (new &
> updated choices)? 
> 
>   o Daniel Day-Lewis 
>   o Jason Carter 
>   o Ralph Fiennes 
>   o Goran Visnjic 
>   o Hugh Jackson 
>   o Jeremy Irons 
>   o James Purefoy 
>   o Angus MacFayden 
>   o Viggo Mortensen 
>   o Other 
> 
> 
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/
> surveys?id=11006700

IIRC, Jeremy Irons is "nominated" for Lupin, not
Sirius in these recent weeks and therefore should
be on that list instead (or as well).

Hugh Jackson? or Jackman?

Petra: Sit Snuffles sit.  Good dog!
a
n  :)

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From sharana.geo at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 11:33:40 2002
From: sharana.geo at yahoo.com (sharana.geo )
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:33:40 -0000
Subject: Who are they?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm having problems with the polls about best actors for playing 
Sirius and Lupin. I don't recognize most names. References to movies 
that these actors have played in, doesn't help much either. Is it 
posible for someone to post a message with links to photos of each 
actor? It's easier to recognize an actor by photo than by name.

Thanks

From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 18:50:15 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Who are they?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20021230185015.88147.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>

sharana.geo:
> I'm having problems with the polls about best
> actors for playing 
> Sirius and Lupin. I don't recognize most names.
> References to movies 
> that these actors have played in, doesn't help
> much either. Is it 
> posible for someone to post a message with
> links to photos of each 
> actor? It's easier to recognize an actor by
> photo than by name.

Try searching the database under "people" at
http://www.imdb.com/  Very likely that most of
the actors you are not familiar with are
there...with picture(s).

Petra
a
n  :)

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From dom-blokey at supanet.com  Mon Dec 30 19:09:18 2002
From: dom-blokey at supanet.com (Dom McDermott)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:09:18 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who are they?
References: <20021230185015.88147.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c2b036$f5605950$9b4528d5@Blokey>

sharana.geo:
 > > Is it posible for someone to post a message with
> > links to photos of each
> > actor? It's easier to recognize an actor by
> > photo than by name.
>

Well, I coincidentally just found this link on Leaky's news page. A new site
which looks at the 'shoes to fill' and the nominated shoe fillers. There's
not too many nominees up yet, but its a brand new site, so thats obviously
excusable. Each nominated actor/actress has info/filmography and a few
photos...

http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicolethompson/fts/ Judginf by the website
address (and without looknig too deeply for proof) it appears that the
webmistress sees herself as a bit of a Fleur Delacour :-)

Dom
http://www.underagewizards.co.uk

From bray.262 at osu.edu  Mon Dec 30 22:43:55 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel )
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:43:55 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon as Dumbledore
Message-ID: 

Latest name thrown out there.  This one from E!.

Anyone know who this guy is?

*off to look him up at IMDB*

Ah....Gosford Park.  Sleepy Hollow.  Hmmmm...can't picture him in 
these movies.

I just wish they'd hurry up with Sirius and Lupin.

Rachel Bray

From bkdelong at pobox.com  Mon Dec 30 22:47:03 2002
From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:47:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Michael Gambon as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021230174541.02365a30@ceci.mit.edu>

At 10:43 PM 12/30/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Latest name thrown out there.  This one from E!.
>
>Anyone know who this guy is?
>
>*off to look him up at IMDB*
>
>Ah....Gosford Park.  Sleepy Hollow.  Hmmmm...can't picture him in
>these movies.

I remember him best as the lead in A&E's "Longitude". Though none of his 
roles seemed particularly cheerful and sans beard. Hmmm.

--
B.K. DeLong

Editor-in-Chief
The Leaky Cauldron News section
bkdelong at the-leaky-cauldron.org
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/
+1.617.877.3271

From geri510 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 00:24:04 2002
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510 )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:24:04 -0000
Subject: Michael Gambon as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021230174541.02365a30@ceci.mit.edu>
Message-ID: 

Here's a link to the story from eonlin with his picture. Funny how 
they say there was some urgency in making a decision - wonder if 
they feel the same way about Sirius & Lupin?

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,11044,00.html

From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 31 02:33:24 2002
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:33:24 -0000
Subject: latest casting rumor
Message-ID: 

is that, Gary Oldman has been cast for the next two Harry potter 
films, the rumor is from one Gary Oldman website who got the 
informations from Oldman's manager, the url is: 
http://home.worldonline.nl/~giso/oldman.htm  
There's no detail about which role he'll be playing, the most 
possible roles would be either Sirius or Peter (since Lupin doesn't 
appear in GoF, Voldemort doesn't appear in PoA).
So anyone know more about this?
I'll be really really happy if he is indeed playing Sirius 
Black!!!!!!!!!!  

From geri510 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 03:28:58 2002
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510 )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:28:58 -0000
Subject: latest casting rumor
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Funny how his name never came up for any part - I never really 
thought about him.

From divaclv at aol.com  Tue Dec 31 03:47:48 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312 )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:47:48 -0000
Subject: latest casting rumor
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kewpie " 
 wrote:
> is that, Gary Oldman has been cast for the next two Harry potter 
> films, the rumor is from one Gary Oldman website who got the 
> informations from Oldman's manager, the url is: 
> http://home.worldonline.nl/~giso/oldman.htm  
> There's no detail about which role he'll be playing, the most 
> possible roles would be either Sirius or Peter (since Lupin doesn't 
> appear in GoF, Voldemort doesn't appear in PoA).
> So anyone know more about this?
> I'll be really really happy if he is indeed playing Sirius 
> Black!!!!!!!!!!

If the rumor's true, I'd guess Sirius...he doesn't really seem the 
type for Peter, and of course he's not quite old enough for 
Dumbledore (unless you slather a ton of makeup on him).

I could live with that, I think.

~Christi

From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 03:49:45 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 03:49:45 -0000
Subject: Casting news?
Message-ID: 

I love all the speculation going on, but does anyone know the actual 
time frame when the casting list will be complete?  I mean, has 
anyone heard when they plan to announce who is playing whom?  Just 
wondering.....

Alora

From deidre at panix.com  Tue Dec 31 03:54:28 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:54:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who are they?
In-Reply-To: <1041254978.263.51912.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021230225206.04766ec0@pop.panix.com>

At 01:29 PM 12/30/02 +0000, Sharana wrote:

>I'm having problems with the polls about best actors for playing
>Sirius and Lupin. I don't recognize most names. References to movies
>that these actors have played in, doesn't help much either. Is it
>posible for someone to post a message with links to photos of each
>actor? It's easier to recognize an actor by photo than by name.

I'm on digest, so someone may have already suggested this, but surf over to 
the Internet Movie Database (one of my fav reference sites) at

and put these actors' names in the search field--most of the time, there's 
a photo or more.

HTH,
Deidre

From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Tue Dec 31 04:12:07 2002
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:12:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] latest casting rumor
References: 
Message-ID: <3E111917.8DE37856@pacificpuma.com>

"Kewpie " wrote:
> 
> is that, Gary Oldman has been cast for the next two Harry potter
> films, the rumor is from one Gary Oldman website who got the
> informations from Oldman's manager, the url is:
> http://home.worldonline.nl/~giso/oldman.htm
> There's no detail about which role he'll be playing, the most
> possible roles would be either Sirius or Peter (since Lupin doesn't
> appear in GoF, Voldemort doesn't appear in PoA).
> So anyone know more about this?
> I'll be really really happy if he is indeed playing Sirius
> Black!!!!!!!!!!
> 

I could see him as Peter maybe, but not Sirius.  At least from what I
remember of his acting.  Need someone a little more imposing for Sirius.
I mean, he rides a motorcycle and is supposed to be 'dangerous' looking
and all.  Maybe if Roddy Piper from 'They Live' lost enough weight?  He
would at least have the bad attitude and all.  Heh, just kidding.  He
would want a 20 minute fight (brawl) scene with Snape. I can't see Snape
throwing a punch at anyone. Ducking one yes, throwing one, no. It would
be funny to see Piper waving a wand though. Hey, maybe they could get
him to play Ludo Baggman? He might work cheap enough and would be great
as a loud mouthed middle-aged ex Quidditch player who took one too many
bludgers to the head, yet still has the charisma to talk his way out of
a trip to scenic Azkaban. ;)

How about Ben Affleck with long hair/unshaven as Sirius?  (Bartleby from
Dogma)  'tude and scary looking?

Jazmyn

From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Dec 31 04:27:23 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:27:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting news?
References: 
Message-ID: <007101c2b084$eafbd720$19a0cdd1@RVotaw>

Alora writes:

> I love all the speculation going on, but does anyone know the actual 
> time frame when the casting list will be complete?  I mean, has 
> anyone heard when they plan to announce who is playing whom?  Just 
> wondering.....

I haven't heard anything (other than the various rumors of Gary Oldman and Michael Gambon), but I've been pondering the same thing.  Let's work with what we do know.  First, we know that Aunt Marge has been cast.  Now, it's either my imagination, or don't they usually film the "Dursley" scenes early on?  Obviously they've already got everyone set for those scenes, so they're ready to go.  Then there was something said about Glencoe, Scotland.  A couple of weeks ago BBC had an article that WB was applying to build a set for PoA.  It would include a gatehouse, sundial garden and stone cottages.  The article says that's part of Hogwarts, but I think it sounds more like Hogsmeade. Unless I'm losing it, I don't remember any stone cottages at Hogwarts.  The article also said filming would be in February, March, and April.  Yet the application for building hadn't been approved as of 2 weeks ago.  Anyway, if they really do plan on filming at Glencoe the first three months of filming, and if it really is Hogsmeade, that wouldn't require Remus Lupin or Sirius Black.  

And of course, Quidditch will likely be filmed early on, due to the special effects and time to work on them.  No Lupin or Sirius needed there.  

Of course they can't film the train scenes without Lupin. 

Now the real mystery here is have they cast Snuffles?  :)

Also, a note on Gary Oldman.  I never thought of him.  Not once.  And he does look rather like the Sirius Black sort.  Kinda scraggly looking at least.  And I didn't hear him mentioned at all.  With all the names we tossed around, you'd think he'd have come up once at least!  But of course, that could be nothing at all. 

Richelle

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From urbana at charter.net  Tue Dec 31 05:15:55 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:15:55 -0000
Subject: Casting news?
In-Reply-To: <007101c2b084$eafbd720$19a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw"  
wrote:
>   A couple of weeks ago BBC had an article that WB was applying to 
build a set for PoA.  It would include a gatehouse, sundial garden 
and stone cottages.  The article says that's part of Hogwarts, but I 
think it sounds more like Hogsmeade... Anyway, if they really do plan 
on filming at Glencoe the first three months of filming, and if it 
really is Hogsmeade, that wouldn't require Remus Lupin or Sirius 
Black.  

Isn't the Shrieking Shack either IN or on the outskirts of Hogsmeade? 
They certainly need to have Sirius, Lupin AND Peter cast for the 
Shrieking Shack.

> 
> Of course they can't film the train scenes without Lupin. 

Where is Ralph Fiennes when we need him?? :-) not entirely kidding 
here, I haven't given up hope ...yet.

> 
> Now the real mystery here is have they cast Snuffles?  :)
> 
> Also, a note on Gary Oldman.  I never thought of him.  Not once.  
And he does look rather like the Sirius Black sort.  Kinda scraggly 
looking at least. 

I never thought of Gary Oldman either. But given the rumors, I can 
actually sort of see him as Peter Pettigrew rather than anyone else. 
He's made a real name for himself playing characters who are bad 
guys, usually bad in a weird way, and who is more weird-bad than 
Peter (other than You-Know-Who)?

Anne U
(would rather G.O. as Peter than Sirius or Lupin... oh please...heck, 
maybe he's the Boggart ;-)

From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 31 05:24:12 2002
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:24:12 -0000
Subject: latest casting rumor
In-Reply-To: <3E111917.8DE37856@pacificpuma.com>
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, jazmyn  wrote:
> I could see him as Peter maybe, but not Sirius.  At least from what 
> I remember of his acting.  Need someone a little more imposing for
> Sirius. I mean, he rides a motorcycle and is supposed to
> be 'dangerous' looking

Have you watch Dracula? if someone could do a great job as Dracula I 
don't see how he's not "imposing"/"Dangerous" enough for 
Sirius....well, Gary Oldman is a fantastic actor who's really good at 
many "imposing" roles in my opinion.

Joan

From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 31 05:33:15 2002
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:33:15 -0000
Subject: Casting news?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne " > > Also, a 
note on Gary Oldman.  I never thought of him.  Not once.  
> And he does look rather like the Sirius Black sort.  Kinda scraggly 
> looking at least. 
> 
> I never thought of Gary Oldman either. But given the rumors, I can 
> actually sort of see him as Peter Pettigrew rather than anyone 
else. 
> He's made a real name for himself playing characters who are bad 
> guys, usually bad in a weird way, and who is more weird-bad than 
> Peter (other than You-Know-Who)?
> 
> Anne U
> (would rather G.O. as Peter than Sirius or Lupin... oh 
please...heck, 
> maybe he's the Boggart ;-)

Is it because most people don't associate Gary Oldman as "dead sexy" 
as many people believe Sirius to be? seems like many people 
immediately link Sirius with all these "sexy" (according to 
mainstream public) stars like Viggo, Jason Carter, someone even 
suggests Ben Affleck......... so would it be like a big 
disappointment for many Sirius fans if Gary Oldman is indeed Sirius 
Black? :)

Joan

From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Dec 31 06:06:59 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:06:59 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting news?
References: 
Message-ID: <002301c2b092$ee9f8260$379fcdd1@RVotaw>

--- "Richelle Votaw"wrote:
>>   A couple of weeks ago BBC had an article that WB was applying to 
>>build a set for PoA.  It would include a gatehouse, sundial garden 
>>and stone cottages.  The article says that's part of Hogwarts, but I 
>>think it sounds more like Hogsmeade... Anyway, if they really do plan 
>>on filming at Glencoe the first three months of filming, and if it 
>>really is Hogsmeade, that wouldn't require Remus Lupin or Sirius 
>>Black.  

Anne replied:

>Isn't the Shrieking Shack either IN or on the outskirts of Hogsmeade? 
>They certainly need to have Sirius, Lupin AND Peter cast for the 
>Shrieking Shack.

I'd sort of thought they'd mainly be filming inside the Shrieking Shack, and that I'm sure would be a set in the studio in London.

About Gary Oldman as Peter Pettigrew--I'd sort of imagined him shorter. IMDB says he's 5'9" so I suppose if Lupin and Black are at least 6' (Black for sure) it would work.  He does need to be taller than Harry, I imagine, and Daniel's 5'4" (at the moment!) Still, Oldman could stoop over and crawl around looking pathetic, I suppose. I must confess I've only seen Gary Oldman in three movies--Air Force One, The Fifth Element, and Lost in Space.  He does have that "weird bad guy who you didn't know was a bad guy" thing going pretty well.

Richelle

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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue Dec 31 07:22:38 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:22:38 -0700
Subject: shreiking shack scenes (was: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting news?)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" 
>wrote:
>>    A couple of weeks ago BBC had an article that WB was applying to
>build a set for PoA.  It would include a gatehouse, sundial garden
>and stone cottages.  The article says that's part of Hogwarts, but I
>think it sounds more like Hogsmeade... Anyway, if they really do plan
>on filming at Glencoe the first three months of filming, and if it
>really is Hogsmeade, that wouldn't require Remus Lupin or Sirius
>Black. 

then anne wrote:

>Isn't the Shrieking Shack either IN or on the outskirts of Hogsmeade?
>They certainly need to have Sirius, Lupin AND Peter cast for the
>Shrieking Shack.
>

With the way movies are done: no. The Shrieking Shack scenes will be 
shot on a set that will probably be on some kind of sound stage. I 
highly doubt they will be shot inside the actual Shrieking Shack that 
they will need to build part of for the scenes shot outside of it.

As for scenes inside Hogsmeade - are there no scenes with Lupin in 
the pub? For some reason, I thought he was in at least one.

illyana
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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Dec 31 09:56:38 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:56:38 -0000
Subject: Casting: Remus and Sirius
Message-ID: 

There's two very practical approaches to take at this point - one 
involves giving in to JKR's Jane Austen appreciation, and the other 
makes it *very* easy to have flashback-photos. 

First, the flashback-photos bit. 
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/1280/ac_rub.jpg is the 
simple reason why casting Rupert Everett as Sirius and Colin Firth 
as Remus makes perfect sense. 20 years ago, they starred together in 
Another Country and the stills and clips from *that* would would 
perfectly inserted into PoA photo albums. 

Second, the Austen-capitulation. This continues the Colin Firth As 
Lupin trend (see above) but replaces Rupert Everett with Jeremy 
Northam (late of Emma) who is seen here: 
http://www.erasofelegance.com/jeremynortham.jpg

Of course, combine the two and you get Jeremy Northam (in Emma mode) 
as Sirius, and Ewan MacGregor (also in Emma mode) as Remus, but 
that's a post for another set of swoonings. 

And still.. there is merit in Gary Oldman as well 
(http://www.angelfire.com/md/newstrek/images/RD23960.jpg, 
http://www.angelfire.com/md/newstrek/images/RD24029.jpg, 
http://www.thespiannet.com/actors/O/oldman_gary/index.shtml). Yep. 
Lots of merit. 

heidi

From corgi at SFF.net  Tue Dec 31 10:33:40 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:33:40 -0000
Subject: Pouting at Heidi/New 'casting' toy
Message-ID: 

Awwwwww, HEI-diiiiii!   Neither of them are Jason Carter!
----------------------
I come bearing a New Toy -- 'Filling the Shoes', an HP casting poll-
site:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicolethompson/fts/

Go vote for Jason Carter for Sirius Black!!  (OK, there's other 
people you can vote for, for other characters, too....) ;)

Corgi, excitedly
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
http://www.salleurl.edu/~tm05301/campaign.htm

From corgi at SFF.net  Tue Dec 31 10:45:37 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:45:37 -0000
Subject: Who are they?
In-Reply-To: <002a01c2b036$f5605950$9b4528d5@Blokey>
Message-ID: 

--- Dom McDermott wrote:
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicolethompson/fts/ Judging by the
> website address (and without looknig too deeply for proof) it
> appears that the webmistress sees herself as a bit of a Fleur
> Delacour :-)

In her defence, since she volunteered the info to me (and before I 
saw your post and therefore repeated the URL), it's her friends 
who're putting her up as Fleur; she's just bowing to their wishes.  
It actually makes her a little self-conscious. ;)

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
http://www.salleurl.edu/~tm05301/campaign.htm

From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 11:39:37 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:39:37 -0000
Subject: Casting news?  Oldman
In-Reply-To: <007101c2b084$eafbd720$19a0cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: 

Richelle wrote:

> Also, a note on Gary Oldman.  I never thought of him.  Not once.  
>And he does look rather like the Sirius Black sort.  Kinda scraggly 
>looking at least.  And I didn't hear him mentioned at all.  With all 
>the names we tossed around, you'd think he'd have come up once at 
>least!  

I never thought of him because I was under the misapprehension that he 
was American (I think the only thing I've seen him in is JFK).  I 
can't see him as Sirius, but as Peter, yes.  That's probably because 
he is so thoroughly Lee Harvey Oswald in my head.  

Amy
very very glad that Ben Affleck is ruled out on the basis of 
nationality

From Lynx412 at aol.com  Tue Dec 31 13:24:25 2002
From: Lynx412 at aol.com (Lynx412 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:24:25 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] latest casting rumor
Message-ID: <1ac.e165850.2b42f489@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/02 11:23:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jazmyn at pacificpuma.com writes:

> Maybe if Roddy Piper from 'They Live' lost enough weight?  He
> would at least have the bad attitude and all.  Heh, just kidding.  He
> would want a 20 minute fight (brawl) scene with Snape. I can't see Snape
> throwing a punch at anyone. Ducking one yes, throwing one, no. It would
> be funny to see Piper waving a wand though. Hey, maybe they could get
> him to play Ludo Baggman? He might work cheap enough and would be great
> as a loud mouthed middle-aged ex Quidditch player who took one too many
> bludgers to the head, yet still has the charisma to talk his way out of
> a trip to scenic Azkaban. ;)
> 

       Rowdy Roddy as Bagman? I *love* it... 

       But he'd need to have lots of folding chairs, too. [beg]

       Cheryl, and they'd need a scene where he uses one on Fudge...

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From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 31 Dec 2002 14:10:12 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
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  o It's absolutely necessary, since the books take place in England 
  o It would be good to keep the cast all-British, but if an actor of another nationality (eg. American) with the right look and talent, I'd cast him/her over a lesser qualified British actor 
  o It doesn't matter to me in any way whatsoever 
  o I think they should look more carefully at non-British actors. If they don't they might be missing out on a lot of talent, and could even compromise the quality of the film. 

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From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Dec 31 14:26:38 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:26:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New poll for HPFGU-Movie
Message-ID: 

But there isn't an all-British cast. Even excepting american Eleanor Columbus as Susan Bones, the kid who plays Dean, iirc, was born in Brazil but is a British citizen and Chris Rankin is from New Zealand. The cast is *primarily* British but only a very very lose definition - that the Commonwealth countries are "British". And under that definition, Canadians would count - but so would Aussies like Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe. 

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From dom-blokey at supanet.com  Tue Dec 31 14:34:39 2002
From: dom-blokey at supanet.com (Dom McDermott)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:34:39 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New poll for HPFGU-Movie
References: 
Message-ID: <001b01c2b0d9$c15f3830$f7bc28d5@Blokey>

>>But there isn't an all-British cast. Even excepting american Eleanor
Columbus as Susan Bones, the kid who plays Dean, iirc, was born in Brazil
but is a British citizen and Chris Rankin is from New Zealand. The cast is
*primarily* British but only a very very lose definition - that the
Commonwealth countries are "British". And under that definition, Canadians
would count - but so would Aussies like Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe.

Well, not necessarily Heidi,
The character of Susan Bones was technically an extra, and the others (I
believe) are like Zoe Wannamaker in that they are registered as British
citizens and live in Britain. No one would (or should) call a commonwealth
citizen a Brit, unless the part of the commonwealth they live in is actually
Britain.
my personal view is that Rowling is right to restrict the cast to being
British in this respect. I shudder at the thought of what would have
happened if Spielberg had got his way and cast Haley-Joel Osmont as Harry
Potter!

Just my two knuts, Dom
(thinking that he really shouldn't use that euphemism)

From urbana at charter.net  Tue Dec 31 15:48:33 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne R Urbanski)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:48:33 -0600
Subject: Casting news? Oldman
In-Reply-To: <1041343171.364.28472.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20021231094345.02415b30@localhost>

At 01:59 PM 12/31/02 +0000, Amy Z wrote:
>I never thought of him because I was under the misapprehension that he
>was American (I think the only thing I've seen him in is JFK).  I
>can't see him as Sirius, but as Peter, yes.  That's probably because
>he is so thoroughly Lee Harvey Oswald in my head.

I didn't see the movie JFK, but I can imagine Gary Oldman as Oswald. I 
*did* see him in The Fifth Element (speaking of *weird* movies), and he was 
extremely creepy in that movie. I could definitely see him as Peter 
Pettigrew... but not as Lupin OR Sirius.  Well, it sounds like the 
PoA casting is pretty far along by now so maybe we'll see some other big 
announcements soon.  Happy New Year, everyone!

Anne U
(unfamiliar with Michael Gambon so I can't even imagine him yet as Dumbledore)

From divaclv at aol.com  Tue Dec 31 15:47:58 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312 )
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:47:58 -0000
Subject: Casting news?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kewpie " 
 wrote:
> 
> Is it because most people don't associate Gary Oldman as "dead 
sexy" 
> as many people believe Sirius to be? seems like many people 
> immediately link Sirius with all these "sexy" (according to 
> mainstream public) stars like Viggo, Jason Carter, someone even 
> suggests Ben Affleck......... so would it be like a big 
> disappointment for many Sirius fans if Gary Oldman is indeed Sirius 
> Black? :)

I've personally never gotten all swoony at the mention of Oldman's 
name, but I think he does have a certain charisma about him--one 
which has more to do with attitude rather than physical appearance.  
And I think attitude is the primary reason why Sirius (and Lupin too, 
for that matter) has such a following in the first place.

I'd also like to recant my earlier comment about Oldman not being the 
right type for Peter.  I had "Dracula" firmly in my mind at the time--
Oldman's versitale enough that he could probably pass for the 
sniveling rat as well.

~Christi

From sarah at mcfarland.co.uk  Tue Dec 31 20:30:57 2002
From: sarah at mcfarland.co.uk (S)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 20:30:57 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New poll for HPFGU-Movie
In-Reply-To: <20021231142828.LNDX14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@shasta.nar
 nian.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021231201436.03f44360@pop.ntlworld.com>

>What are your thoughts on maintaining
>an all-British cast?

So long as the relevant actors can do the right accent, I don't see the 
problem with non-British actors at all. Kenneth Brannagh is Northern Irish 
but speaks in a perfect English accent - I reckon most good American actors 
would be able to do the same.

Anyway, my opinion on casting:

Dumbledore - anyone other than Ian McKellen and I will be disappointed - 
IMO he is the best actor working today, and would make a better Dumbledore 
than Richard Harris did.

Sirius - Viggo Mortensen is front runner for me, though I haven't seen him 
in anything other than LotR, so I don't know how good an actor he actually 
is. IMO most of the other actors suggested are too young, too 
heart-throbby, or both (I've thought Viggo would be the perfect Sirius 
since reading Prisoner of Azkaban for the first time, but the idea of him 
being a sex symbol didnt occur to me until it got mentioned in this thread: 
no accounting for tastes, and all that *grin*). I think he will be the 
easiest of the new roles to play - there is certainly depth to him, but he 
is pretty straightforward character.

Lupin - Tricky one, but I could really see Ralph Fiennes in this role. 
Maybe also Gary Oldman. For some reason I am thinking Sean Pertwee, too.

Peter - I could see Gary Oldman as Peter, too.

~Say
(delurking)

From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 21:30:41 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: poll re: all-British cast
In-Reply-To: <1041343812.549.92969.w63@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021231213041.41291.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com>

> What are your thoughts on maintaining 
> an all-British cast

Sorry to reply to this message instead of just
voting but none of the choices reflect my
opinion: as long as JKR prefers an all-Brit cast,
then I hope the filmmakers respect her wishes.

I give JKR's preference much weight, not just
because she holds sway over all things HP but
also because the depth of the talent pool that is
British thespians makes her preference a
reasonable one.

Arguably there are many British actors who
fulfill the requirements of each of the roles yet
to be cast.  If the qualifications are equal,
there's no case to be made on behalf of a
non-Brit.  To cast a non-Brit at this point,
after casting all the major parts with Brits,
could be seen as slighting Brit thesps in
general.

I know I've read in other interviews of JKR's
preference in regards to an all-Brit cast but the
following is the only one I found at the archives
maintained by Aberforth's Goat (a.k.a. Mike Gray)
http://www.geocities.com/
aberforths_goat/canon.htm

http://www.readersdigest.co.uk/
magazine/Rowling4.htm

Petra, hoping 2003 = OoP
a
n  :)

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