From raunistar at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  1 15:35:16 2002
From: raunistar at yahoo.com (raunistar)
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:35:16 -0000
Subject: Tom Riddle casting rumour
Message-ID: <a3ecjk+j7nm@eGroups.com>

The Leaky Cauldron told yesterday an interesting rumour about casting 
someone called Christian Coulson as Tom Riddle! They had his picture, 
and I must say he really looks my Riddle! What do you think?

the link is: www.the-leaky-cauldron.org

and the pic is on:

www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/coulson.jpg

Raunistar




From helanne at start.com.au  Sun Feb  3 12:06:34 2002
From: helanne at start.com.au (~Helen ~)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:06:34 +0800
Subject: Tom Riddle casting rumour
Message-ID: <B1515529639@i01sv4138.ids1.intelonline.com>

Yep, that dude is without a doubt the way I imagined Tom Riddle to
look. He'll make a very fine young Voldemort.

Helen :o)


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"Oh, it's you, is it?" said Madam Pomfrey, ignoring this and bending
down to stare closely at him. "I suppose you've been doing something
dangerous again?"

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From caithness01 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  5 03:15:11 2002
From: caithness01 at yahoo.com (Mary Korth)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DVD chat...
Message-ID: <20020205031511.64489.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>

Warner Bros. is having a Chat tomorrow at noon (?) to
announce the details of the Sorcerer's Stone DVD -
does anyone know where I go to participate?

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From degroote at altavista.com  Tue Feb  5 06:02:15 2002
From: degroote at altavista.com (Vicky DeGroote)
Date: 4 Feb 2002 22:02:15 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 137
Message-ID: <20020205060215.28918.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net>

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From bethz1 at rcn.com  Tue Feb  5 13:56:18 2002
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in A Bottle)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:56:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD chat...
References: <20020205031511.64489.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c1ae4c$e2d14e80$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Korth" <caithness01 at yahoo.com>

> Warner Bros. is having a Chat tomorrow at noon (?) to
> announce the details of the Sorcerer's Stone DVD -
> does anyone know where I go to participate?

>From what I understood is that its an invite only chat, but 
that doesn't make any sense to me.  But I've read that its
press and industry people only...I went to the WB site and
couldn't find a link to participate.  I'll be at work while its going
on, but good luck in finding it.

Beth




From lucy at luphen.co.uk  Tue Feb  5 14:00:18 2002
From: lucy at luphen.co.uk (Lucy Austin)
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:00:18 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD chat...
References: <20020205031511.64489.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c1ae4d$7a02c040$b0ae1e3e@stephen>

>Warner Bros. is having a Chat tomorrow at noon (?) to
announce the details of the Sorcerer's Stone DVD -
does anyone know where I go to participate?

Is that noon American time??


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From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk  Tue Feb  5 15:03:53 2002
From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (edisbevan)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:03:53 -0000
Subject: DVD chat...
In-Reply-To: <20020205031511.64489.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a3os8p+pe9l@eGroups.com>

Saw a brief item on the UK TV Text pages (sorry havent go the 
reference to hand but it is one of the DVD 'new releases reviews' 
sections) saying that the HP DVD will be out in May 2002 and will be 
a double disc offering. Speculation again that this means a lot of 
out-takes and deleted scenes...

Anyone got a more precise lead?

Edis




From mellienel2 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  5 19:16:47 2002
From: mellienel2 at yahoo.com (mellienel2)
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:16:47 -0000
Subject: DVD chat...
In-Reply-To: <a3os8p+pe9l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a3pb2v+aq7r@eGroups.com>


> 
> Anyone got a more precise lead?

Yep, go to www.the-leaky-cauldron.org for a TON of info about 
the new DVD. ;-)

It was an industry-only chat, your membership had to be 
approved and everything. But it wasn't anything exciting - just a 
little glimpse of the footage and graphics on the discs, and a lot 
of blathering about how wonderful it will be to sell the DVD for 
your small business. ;-)

m






From ITZregina at hanson.net  Wed Feb  6 01:49:50 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 01:49:50 -0000
Subject: DVD chat...
In-Reply-To: <a3pb2v+aq7r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a3q23u+g44s@eGroups.com>

All that stuff sounds great, but I was hoping for more in-depth 
interviews of the actors discussing the film.  Oh well, I'm sure I'll 
enjoy the games.  :-)





From voicelady at mymailstation.com  Wed Feb  6 14:36:29 2002
From: voicelady at mymailstation.com (the_voicelady)
Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:36:29 -0000
Subject: DVD Preorder
Message-ID: <a3rf1d+e9vb@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!  I'm so excited, because the DVD is out May 28th, and I 
preordered my copy today.  And it is loaded with extras!  Check it 
out:  (If the link doesn't fit becaude it might be too long, copy and 
paste it into your browser)

http://www.dvdexpress.com/product_movies.asp?
Type=Movie&PRODUCTNUMBER=40026&show=full&cid=1637

Jeralyn, the Voicelady





From westmerd at health.qld.gov.au  Thu Feb  7 02:08:23 2002
From: westmerd at health.qld.gov.au (Debbie Westmerland)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:08:23 +1000
Subject: DVD Release
Message-ID: <sc626e4b.068@HEALTH-ES2.HEALTH.QLD.GOV.AU>

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but it about the dvd release for harry potter in America

http://entertainment.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4459,3730418%255E7485%255E%255Enbv,00.html



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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  7 10:43:21 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 02:43:21 -0800
Subject: Future Movies question
Message-ID: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>

Hi,

I'm a new member with a question about the future movies:

I just read on a website something about the first 3 movies
being filmed using the same (child) actors, but the author
of the article sounded as if he thought they might use other
actors for the later movies.

I was hoping they would stick with the same actors for all
the movies, if possible.

Does anyone know anything more about this?

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                          mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Thu Feb  7 16:03:11 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:03:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3C62A53F.C439D383@kingwoodcable.com>

Welcome to the groups Susanne!

Susanne wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a new member with a question about the future movies:
> 
> I just read on a website something about the first 3 movies
> being filmed using the same (child) actors, but the author
> of the article sounded as if he thought they might use other
> actors for the later movies.
> 
> I was hoping they would stick with the same actors for all
> the movies, if possible.
> 
> Does anyone know anything more about this?
> 

Chris Columbus, provided he decides to direct all the movies, has stated
that he'd like to see the original cast throughout the entire movie.
Many of the older actors have signed on for all the movies. We know that
Maggie Smith and Richard Harris have signed on for all 7 movies. It's
questionable whether Robbie Coltrane has. We think he has, but he was
none to clear regarding how movies he had to sign on for. This leads to
speculation that Hagrid might die in the books, since Coltrane and
Rickman have met with Rowling in private regarding their characters. I
think it's likely that all the actors will be in the movie, unless they
don't want to. Radcliffe is excited to do all the movies, and I think
the same is for Watson and Grint.

I also think Warner would be smart to keep the actors if they can. I
certainly wouldn't want to see any one of the actors change out (even
Harris, despite my original feeling).

So...that's about as much as I know...

-Katze



From mandm at discover-net.net  Thu Feb  7 16:03:42 2002
From: mandm at discover-net.net (Mary Shearer)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:03:42 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3C62A55E.671A3544@discover-net.net>



Susanne wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I'm a new member with a question about the future movies:
>
> I just read on a website something about the first 3 movies
> being filmed using the same (child) actors, but the author
> of the article sounded as if he thought they might use other
> actors for the later movies.
>
> I was hoping they would stick with the same actors for all
> the movies, if possible.
>
> Does anyone know anything more about this?

It does sound as though everything is up in the air - I think primarily
because the actors may age too quickly before the movies can be
completed.  However, I too would like to see these kids continue in
their roles to the end, if possible.  They have done a wonderful job,
and have thoroughly inhabited their characters.  Because of this, the
majority of the movie-going audience will be really emotionally
invested, not only in the characters, but in the actors' interpretation
of the characters by the completion of film 3.  I don't want to see
anyone but Daniel handle the complexly dramatic scenes at the end of GoF
- likewise with Rupert and Emma and R/H's developing relationship.

I remember when Return of the Jedi came out...Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher
and especially Harrison Ford  were by no means callow youths anymore,
yet the storyline had only progressed about a year.  However, there is
no way the movie-going public would have stood for anyone else
completing that story. Yes, there were times when they appeared to be a
little long in the tooth on screen, but we suspended our disbelief
because they so completely inhabited their characters.  We had not only
invested ourselves in the story, but in the actor's interpretations of
the story...and in their no-fail chemistry together.  If Lucas had tried
to replace them with younger look-alikes, it would have fallen flat - in
a quote from Mark Hamill - "That was a lot of personality crammed into
one cockpit."

IMO, the same applies for Daniel/Rupert/Emma.  It only took one film for
many of us to recognize a special chemistry among the three, and to fall
in love with them - and it would be a pretty tough stretch for me to see
the movie makers try to re-create it with a whole new cast after three
films - blllleeeechhh!

Aside from that, though, we would have to respect any choice these young
people make regarding their future in the roles.  They are being asked
to forfeit their teen years to Harry Potter.  If they wish to move on,
we cannot blame them. However,  I hope they do not see these roles as
limiting, but evolving.  As the story progresses, the characters do not
remain static - they will be given an opportunity to grow into some
pretty meaty dramatic work.  In other words, if they leave the roles to
pursue interests other than acting, I understand.  But if they leave the
roles for angst-ridden, artsy-fartsy, edgy, "meaningful" work - I will
be bitterly disappointed. There is plenty of opportunity for them to
hone their craft within these roles...because the characters change and
grow, and the storyline becomes steadily darker and angst-ridden
anyhow!  So - here's to hoping that everything stays on schedule.

-Mary, who has not posted on this list for awhile, but reads it
faithfully every day!

>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Susanne                          mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net
>
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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  7 17:57:06 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:57:06 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
In-Reply-To: <3C62A55E.671A3544@discover-net.net>
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>
 <3C62A55E.671A3544@discover-net.net>
Message-ID: <31165044648.20020207095706@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Thursday, February 07, 2002, 8:03:42 AM, mandm at discover-net.net wrote:

> Aside from that, though, we would have to respect any choice these young
> people make regarding their future in the roles.  They are being asked
> to forfeit their teen years to Harry Potter.

Yes, I would understand completely if one of them was
replaced by another actor for this reason.

I'm also a little worried they might switch out because of
physical reasons other than age.

In one of the photos taken during the filming of the second
movie it looks to me as if Harry's actor is growing a bit
faster than Ron's and it's mentioned many times, how tall
Ron is.

I would hate to see them go looking for a taller actor,
though I could understand it in a way.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Feb  7 18:02:15 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:02:15 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
In-Reply-To: <3C62A53F.C439D383@kingwoodcable.com>
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>
 <3C62A53F.C439D383@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <15165354522.20020207100215@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Thursday, February 07, 2002, 8:03:11 AM, jdumas at kingwoodcable.com wrote:

> Welcome to the groups Susanne!

Thanks for the welcome :)

> Radcliffe is excited to do all the movies, and I think
> the same is for Watson and Grint.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
It *is* a big investment for kids this young to be spending
most of their teen years filming 7 movies.

I know it's selfish of me to hope they will all stay with
it, but I still do.

> I also think Warner would be smart to keep the actors if they can. I
> certainly wouldn't want to see any one of the actors change out (even
> Harris, despite my original feeling).

I just joined a week or so ago.
What were your feelings about him?

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Thu Feb  7 19:18:04 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:18:04 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net>
	 <3C62A53F.C439D383@kingwoodcable.com> <15165354522.20020207100215@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3C62D2EC.B76FDA49@kingwoodcable.com>

Susanne wrote:

> 
> > I also think Warner would be smart to keep the actors if they can. I
> > certainly wouldn't want to see any one of the actors change out (even
> > Harris, despite my original feeling).
> 
> I just joined a week or so ago.
> What were your feelings about him?

I don't like Harris as Dumbledore. He didn't have the twinkle or warmth
that I thought D should have. The only place I saw the twinkle was in
the hospital scene. I'm hoping he'll exhibit this in the other movies. I
know that he can do the twinkle, because he was absolutely wonderful in
"The Count of Monte Cristo", so perhaps he just doesn't know that
Dumbledore is supposed to be light and bright. He never read the books
though, so I'm not surprised that he didn't know. Anyway...Rowling
must've thought that he was ok, since she approved practically
everything in the movie.

-Katze



From bethz1 at rcn.com  Fri Feb  8 01:57:22 2002
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in A Bottle)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:57:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net> <3C62A55E.671A3544@discover-net.net> <31165044648.20020207095706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00f101c1b043$f4b9cfc0$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susanne" <siskiou at earthlink.net>

> In one of the photos taken during the filming of the second
> movie it looks to me as if Harry's actor is growing a bit
> faster than Ron's and it's mentioned many times, how tall
> Ron is.

Well if they can make Robbie Coltrane look like a giant, can't they 
make Rupert appear taller than Daniel?  Just a thought, because I 
also would hate to see them change actors later on in the series.

Beth




From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Fri Feb  8 02:12:09 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:12:09 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies question
References: <4139015928.20020207024321@earthlink.net> <3C62A55E.671A3544@discover-net.net> <31165044648.20020207095706@earthlink.net> <00f101c1b043$f4b9cfc0$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <3C6333F9.A61641FE@kingwoodcable.com>

"Ms. Found in A Bottle" wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susanne" <siskiou at earthlink.net>
> 
> > In one of the photos taken during the filming of the second
> > movie it looks to me as if Harry's actor is growing a bit
> > faster than Ron's and it's mentioned many times, how tall
> > Ron is.
> 
> Well if they can make Robbie Coltrane look like a giant, can't they
> make Rupert appear taller than Daniel?  Just a thought, because I
> also would hate to see them change actors later on in the series.
> 

Rowling makes it a point to mention that Ron is taller, but I'm not sure
it's imperative to the story. For the movies, they may just keep Grint,
and not worry about the height issues. I don't see it being a big issue,
just like Watson doesn't have buck teeth like Hermione is supposed to
have. They also didn't seem too concerned with making Petunia and Dudley
blonde.

-Katze



From catlady at wicca.net  Sat Feb  9 04:37:21 2002
From: catlady at wicca.net (catlady_de_los_angeles)
Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 04:37:21 -0000
Subject: DVD Preorder
In-Reply-To: <a3rf1d+e9vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a42921+48nq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "the_voicelady" <voicelady at m...> wrote:
> Hi everyone!  I'm so excited, because the DVD is out May 28th, and I 
> preordered my copy today.  And it is loaded with extras!  Check it 
> out:  (If the link doesn't fit becaude it might be too long, copy 
> and paste it into your browser)
> http://www.dvdexpress.com/product_movies.asp?
> Type=Movie&PRODUCTNUMBER=40026&show=full&cid=1637

It's a dollar less at Costco : 
http://www.costco.com/landing.asp?landSrc=email&campaign=11





From nata at midsouth.rr.com  Sat Feb  9 05:36:56 2002
From: nata at midsouth.rr.com (natalie)
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:36:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD Preorder
References: <a3rf1d+e9vb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c1b12b$c9fb8a60$8b7b1818@midsouth.rr.com>

Question! When you preorder, would it be shipped right on the release date, May 28th, or would they ship it a little before so you'd recieve it at that date? I never knew... ;)

- Natalie
  Hi everyone!  I'm so excited, because the DVD is out May 28th, and I 
  preordered my copy today.  And it is loaded with extras!  Check it 
  out:  (If the link doesn't fit becaude it might be too long, copy and 
  paste it into your browser)

  http://www.dvdexpress.com/product_movies.asp?
  Type=Movie&PRODUCTNUMBER=40026&show=full&cid=1637

  Jeralyn, the Voicelady


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From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Sat Feb  9 05:53:25 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:53:25 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD Preorder
References: <a3rf1d+e9vb@eGroups.com> <002501c1b12b$c9fb8a60$8b7b1818@midsouth.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3C64B955.3B18F698@kingwoodcable.com>

natalie wrote:
> 
> Question! When you preorder, would it be shipped right on the release date, May 28th, or would they ship it a little before so you'd recieve it at that date? I never knew... ;)
> 
> - Natalie
>   Hi everyone!  I'm so excited, because the DVD is out May 28th, and I
>   preordered my copy today.  And it is loaded with extras!  Check it
>   out:  (If the link doesn't fit becaude it might be too long, copy and
>   paste it into your browser)
> 
>   http://www.dvdexpress.com/product_movies.asp?
>   Type=Movie&PRODUCTNUMBER=40026&show=full&cid=1637
> 
>   Jeralyn, the Voicelady

I believe they will ship it you on the 28th (provided they have enough
copies to fill the order).

-Katze



From gryphon at mgd.com.au  Sat Feb  9 06:12:27 2002
From: gryphon at mgd.com.au (Gryphon)
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:12:27 +1100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD Preorder
In-Reply-To: <3C64B955.3B18F698@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLAAFPLOAJJBKGKIGEEDHCFAA.Gryphon@mgd.com.au>

When I pre-ordered the soundtrack from Amazon.com, it arrived the day after
the official release date
add the fact that I live in Australia and I think
there were some pretty amazing logistics going on to get it to me from the
US that fast.

Cheers,

Gryph

natalie wrote:
>
> Question! When you preorder, would it be shipped right on the release
date, May 28th, or would they ship it a little before so you'd recieve it at
that date? I never knew... ;)
>
> - Natalie
>   Hi everyone!  I'm so excited, because the DVD is out May 28th, and I
>   preordered my copy today.  And it is loaded with extras!  Check it
>   out:  (If the link doesn't fit becaude it might be too long, copy and
>   paste it into your browser)
>
>   http://www.dvdexpress.com/product_movies.asp?
>   Type=Movie&PRODUCTNUMBER=40026&show=full&cid=1637
>
>   Jeralyn, the Voicelady




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From kechelsen at aol.com  Sun Feb 10 20:53:39 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:53:39 -0000
Subject: Newbie with a Third Movie question
Message-ID: <a46mkj+5bgp@eGroups.com>

Greetings... I only recently joined, but haven't had much chance to 
visit here too often.

I have a question with regards to the third movie... has anything 
been heard about who might be cast as Sirius Black?  I came across a 
site just for this character run by someone in Austria who claims she 
saw a rumor somewhere on the internet that Scott Cohen (10th Kingdom, 
NYPD Blue, Gilmore Girls) was a possibility for the role.  I can 
definitely see Scott in this role (his was the face I saw when I read 
books 3 and 4), but I understand that they're only casting British 
actors for all roles.  

Has anyone heard any kind of speculation on this at all?

Kathy




From nancyr at esatclear.ie  Mon Feb 11 06:30:08 2002
From: nancyr at esatclear.ie (RYANS)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:30:08 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Newbie with a Third Movie question
References: <a46mkj+5bgp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001401c1b2c5$8f9b36e0$d4a7a5c2@nancyr>

When reading the books, I had a perfect sirius....Oliver Reed, you know the guy who played Bill Sykes in Oliver? He, to me, would have been great. I wouldn't be looking out for him to play Black though, since he died in 1999, God rest his soul. But whaddaya think? Wouldn't he have been perfect?
  I have a question with regards to the third movie... has anything 
  been heard about who might be cast as Sirius Black?  I came across a 
  site just for this character run by someone in Austria who claims she 
  saw a rumor somewhere on the internet that Scott Cohen (10th Kingdom, 
  NYPD Blue, Gilmore Girls) was a possibility for the role.  I can 
  definitely see Scott in this role (his was the face I saw when I read 
  books 3 and 4), but I understand that they're only casting British 
  actors for all roles.  



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From morrigan at byz.org  Mon Feb 11 00:59:29 2002
From: morrigan at byz.org (Morrigan //Vicki//)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:59:29 -0800
Subject: Newbie with a Third Movie question
In-Reply-To: <a46mkj+5bgp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLPEOCLIKCDBACHIBKEGLCPAA.morrigan@byz.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: kathye_c [mailto:kechelsen at aol.com]
>
> I have a question with regards to the third movie... has anything
> been heard about who might be cast as Sirius Black?  I came across a
> site just for this character run by someone in Austria who claims she
> saw a rumor somewhere on the internet that Scott Cohen (10th Kingdom,
> NYPD Blue, Gilmore Girls) was a possibility for the role.  I can
> definitely see Scott in this role (his was the face I saw when I read
> books 3 and 4), but I understand that they're only casting British
> actors for all roles.

As long as Columbus is directing, I find this exceedingly unlikely - Cohen
isn't British.  I personally completely agree with his opinion that all the
actors should be British and hope it will stay that way for all the movies.
It makes it that much more true to the books.  There are some rumors as to
who may play Sirius, but I can't recall the website I saw that on, however -
sorry about that.

Morrigan




From kechelsen at aol.com  Mon Feb 11 13:57:41 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:57:41 -0000
Subject: Newbie with a Third Movie question
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLPEOCLIKCDBACHIBKEGLCPAA.morrigan@byz.org>
Message-ID: <a48ikl+pv1e@eGroups.com>

<As long as Columbus is directing, I find this exceedingly unlikely - 
Cohen isn't British.  I personally completely agree with his opinion 
that all the actors should be British and hope it will stay that way 
for all the movies.>

Oh, I agree... it's a shame though, because I do believe Scott could 
do an excelent job as Sirius.  I more or less knew that it was a 
hopeless case, but I did wonder if anyone here had heard this rumor.  
Thanks.

For the person who thought of Oliver Reed as Sirius... I agree, he 
might have worked, had they filmed the movies 30 years ago.  But 
wasn't Reed in his late 60's when he died?  That would have made him 
way to old to play Sirius, I should think. 

Kathy 





From ShelaghC at aol.com  Mon Feb 11 16:08:29 2002
From: ShelaghC at aol.com (shelaghcol)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:08:29 -0000
Subject: Daniel in David Copperfield
Message-ID: <a48q9t+6d5q@eGroups.com>

For those with satellite dish systems or digital cable (or whatever 
else airs this channel) BBC America will be airing David Copperfield, 
with Dame Maggie Smith and Daniel Radcliffe on February 19th.

For more info:

http://www.bbcamerica.com

Shelagh
livtaserve





From ITZregina at hanson.net  Tue Feb 12 17:23:37 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:23:37 -0000
Subject: Oscars
Message-ID: <a4bj2p+s0ga@eGroups.com>

Harry Potter got 3 Oscar Nominations. Art Direction, Costumes and 
Score (Soundtrack)






From azingam at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 12 18:07:25 2002
From: azingam at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Allocin?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:07:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Newbie with a Third Movie question
In-Reply-To: <001401c1b2c5$8f9b36e0$d4a7a5c2@nancyr>
Message-ID: <20020212180726.70583.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>

 --- RYANS <nancyr at esatclear.ie> wrote: > When reading the books, I had
a perfect sirius....Oliver Reed, you
> know the guy who played Bill Sykes in Oliver? He, to me, would have
> been great. I wouldn't be looking out for him to play Black though,
> since he died in 1999, God rest his soul. But whaddaya think?
> Wouldn't he have been perfect?


HAHAHAHAH!! Sorry, but I just found that exceedingly funny. I haven't
seen Oliver Reed in his earlier movies, only in Gladiator, and I just
had the wonderful task of putting Proximo into the role of Sirius.
That's cheered me up! 

So was it Reed who played Sykes in the musical 'Oliver' with the
scrawny blonde playing Twist? If that's so, he'd be okay.

Nicky

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From kechelsen at aol.com  Tue Feb 12 22:10:15 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:10:15 -0000
Subject: Newbie with a Third Movie question
In-Reply-To: <20020212180726.70583.qmail@web14904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a4c3s7+f2vf@eGroups.com>


<So was it Reed who played Sykes in the musical 'Oliver' with the
scrawny blonde playing Twist? If that's so, he'd be okay.> 

Yes, it was Reed who played Sykes.  But that was in 1968, when Reed 
was 30.  He was 61 when he died in 1999, so even if he were alive 
today, he would have been way too old.  It's my understanding that 
Sirius is a man in his mid-late 30's.  I know makeup works wonders 
these days, but I don't think it can take away 30 years on anyone! <g>

Kathy




From norsecode at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 13 16:56:44 2002
From: norsecode at yahoo.com (norsecode)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:56:44 -0000
Subject: Oscars
In-Reply-To: <a4bj2p+s0ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a4e5sc+ahvd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "River3_98" <ITZregina at h...> wrote:
> Harry Potter got 3 Oscar Nominations. Art Direction,
> Costumes and Score (Soundtrack).

I must say that I was quite surprised to see that it
didn't get a nod for Visual Effects (the nominees were
AI, LotR, and Pearl Harbor). 

Dawn




From mandm at discover-net.net  Wed Feb 13 20:48:31 2002
From: mandm at discover-net.net (Mary Shearer)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:48:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oscars
References: <a4e5sc+ahvd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C6AD11E.A210686C@discover-net.net>

I was disappointed that it didn't get a nod for cinemetography - the
lighting was beautiful, and the rich jeweled tones of the film are what
drew me back again and again - eye candy!  Just saw it again last night
- dove in to the theater with my daughter who was begging to see it
again for no good reason.  That shot of Harry in the snow with Hedwig -
he looked like an angel - and the ghostly lighting of the Mirror of
Erised scene - not to mention that gorgeous-to-look-at flying lesson.
A pretty, pretty film in my opinion, and I think I'll go and pout about
the Academy's woeful lack of taste.
-Mary, who has no time for all of the edgy, gritty, cynical movie
critics who said that HP was too "sweet" or "bland"  and believes that
HP was kept out of Oscar contention largely because of it's cultural
popularity.


norsecode wrote:

>  --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "River3_98" <ITZregina at h...> wrote:
> > Harry Potter got 3 Oscar Nominations. Art Direction,
> > Costumes and Score (Soundtrack).
>
> I must say that I was quite surprised to see that it
> didn't get a nod for Visual Effects (the nominees were
> AI, LotR, and Pearl Harbor).
>
> Dawn
>
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From ITZregina at hanson.net  Wed Feb 13 21:39:51 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:39:51 -0000
Subject: HP movie still out??
Message-ID: <a4emf7+ere8@eGroups.com>

I've noticed many people saying they have watched HP again recently.  
You are so lucky!  We lost HP about a month ago.  I'm counting down 
the days until I get my hands on the DVD.




From tripchick2001 at rogers.com  Thu Feb 14 16:36:20 2002
From: tripchick2001 at rogers.com (MrsWeasley)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:36:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 146
In-Reply-To: <1013696201.163.22610.m12@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1013696201.163.22610.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <p05010400b8919553ecab@[192.168.1.101]>

At 2:16 PM +0000 14/2/02, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
>Message: 3
>    Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:39:51 -0000
>    From: "River3_98" <ITZregina at hanson.net>
>Subject: HP movie still out??
>
>I've noticed many people saying they have watched HP again recently. 
>You are so lucky!  We lost HP about a month ago.  I'm counting down
>the days until I get my hands on the DVD.
>


I must be one of the lucky ones. I see it almost every day. Granted 
the screen is comparatively tiny, but I've been fortunate to be able 
to see it on the big screen three times too. Still, it's wonderful to 
be able to fire it up and have a look at a particular scene, or 
double check for an exact line of dialogue or something. Not to 
mention watch my favourite scenes over and over and over again.

We just lost it from the theatres last weekend, so I'm doubly glad to 
have it on the laptop here til, like you say, the DVD/vhs come out in 
May.

WeasleyMom



From Joanne0012 at aol.com  Thu Feb 14 19:02:12 2002
From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:02:12 -0000
Subject: Digest Number 146
In-Reply-To: <p05010400b8919553ecab@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <a4h1jk+aoc8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., MrsWeasley <tripchick2001 at r...> wrote:
 
> I must be one of the lucky ones. I see it almost every day. Granted 
> the screen is comparatively tiny, but I've been fortunate to be able 
> to see it on the big screen three times too. Still, it's wonderful to 
> be able to fire it up and have a look at a particular scene, or 
> double check for an exact line of dialogue or something. Not to 
> mention watch my favourite scenes over and over and over again.
> 
> We just lost it from the theatres last weekend, so I'm doubly glad to 
> have it on the laptop here til, like you say, the DVD/vhs come out in 
> May.
> 
> WeasleyMom

Naughty, naughty!




From heidit at netbox.com  Thu Feb 14 20:56:47 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:56:47 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: re: bootlegs of the movie
In-Reply-To: <a4h1jk+aoc8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a4h8af+ntod@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "joanne0012" <Joanne0012 at a...> wrote:

> 
> Naughty, naughty!

It is more than naughty. 

It is a violation of the Yahoo Terms of Use 
(http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) to upload, post, email, transmit 
or otherwise make available any Content that infringes any patent, 
trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights 
("Rights") of any party. 

Arguably, letting people know that you have an illegal copy of the 
movie, be it on DVD, VHS or on your computer's hard drive is a 
violation of the TOS, and any discussion of where to obtain bootlegs, 
how to obtain them or who to obtain them from (including posting and 
saying that you yourself have an illegal copy (which just invites 
people to email you asking how they can get it from you)) would 
constitute "mak[ing] availablbe" such Content.

Don't do it again. 

heidi, on behalf of the Mod Squad
Constant Vigilance!




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 02:06:34 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 02:06:34 -0000
Subject: Future Movies question
In-Reply-To: <3C6333F9.A61641FE@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <a4kera+bm6k@eGroups.com>

> Rowling makes it a point to mention that Ron is taller, but I'm not 
sure
> it's imperative to the story. For the movies, they may just keep 
Grint,
> and not worry about the height issues. I don't see it being a big 
issue,
> just like Watson doesn't have buck teeth like Hermione is supposed 
to
> have. They also didn't seem too concerned with making Petunia and 
Dudley
> blonde.

Harry as smaller than Ron in the books serves mainly as a constant 
reminder of his emaciated youth in the cupboard under the stairs 
(from which he moves already at the beginning of Book One). As we 
don't really need a constant reminder of that in the movies, there's 
no real reason to keep bashing us over the head with it. Also, of 
course, it's a literal reinforcement of the concept of Harry 
representing the "little people".

Whether or not Harry is shorter than Ron is irrelevant, as long as 
Dan remains thin-framed - if he comes out on the other side of his 
inevitable growth spurt in the next couple of years as too "butch", 
that could perhaps be a bit of a problem, but by then he'd have made 
perhaps 3 of the movies so the audience could suspend its disbelief.

I have another concern, though. From all we know about the 
circumstances surrounding his casting, namely his understandably 
protective (though evidently not overly so) parents, I wonder what 
priorities they will encourage/force on him when he's 15 and 
presumably in the middle of making the (hopefully two-part) GoF 
(assuming the trade rumours are correct and there'll be a slip 
between making Film 2 and 3, and again between 3 and 4). Dan will be 
preparing for his real-world Hogwarts OWLs, namely GCSEs. How he does 
in those exams will have a lot to do with what options he'll have in 
his adult life.

All three Radcliffes' concerns won't be about money - mum & dad are 
already well off, and even without making all seven/eight HP movies, 
Dan won't have to worry about money for a single moment of the rest 
of his life, even if he turns into a profligate celebrity brat (which 
I consider EXTREMELY unlikely, nay impossible). 

Even if he's useless as an adult actor (unlikely but possible, and if 
that's what he chooses to do with his life), Dan has a showbiz career 
ready and waiting - he'll forever be "Daniel (Harry Potter)
Radcliffe" - and he'll be able to make that his career if he needs 
to. But for instance, "Mark (Oliver Twist) Lester" milked his 
celebrity for a while but then gave up on showbiz, went to 
university, and is now a respected osteopath, and is now infamous for 
not allowing any kind of paid camera near him.

However, it's obvious that the Radcliffes have their sights raised a 
little higher, and they'll want Dan to do well academically. On-set 
tutoring is fine and dandy for continued schooling, but I'm not sure 
it's the best environment in which to prepare for and take vital 
exams.

In summary, Warners will be under intense pressure from the 
Radcliffes either to give Dan a break for his 15th and 16th years and 
delay filming of whatever movie's then current until after his exams, 
or alternatively to recast the role either for that movie, or 
permanently. As I've said elesewhere on this subjest, I'm glad that 
I'm not in any of the parties' shoes - it's a tough decision to make 
from whatever persepctive!

Incidentally, one thing for which Dan R. appears to be completely 
unprepared (at least right now) is the celebrity circuit: he got an 
award, televised the other night on UK TV, as "most promising showbiz 
newcomer" (which he knew about before the day - this wasn't one of 
those "and the nominees are..." type awards). Standing up to make his 
acceptance speech seemed to be VERY difficult for him and he looked 
even more shell-shocked than he did at the London premiere of the 
first movie. That Alan Rickman was there getting an award for his 
stage work didn't seem to help, either (especially as Rickman ended 
his speech as Snape). :-)





From morrigan at byz.org  Sat Feb 16 02:51:20 2002
From: morrigan at byz.org (Morrigan //Vicki//)
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:51:20 -0800
Subject: Future Movies/Children's' Futures
In-Reply-To: <a4kera+bm6k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBLPEOCLIKCDBACHIBOECODAAA.morrigan@byz.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GulPlum [mailto:plumeski at yahoo.com]
>
> Whether or not Harry is shorter than Ron is irrelevant, as long as
> Dan remains thin-framed - if he comes out on the other side of his
> inevitable growth spurt in the next couple of years as too "butch",
> that could perhaps be a bit of a problem, but by then he'd have made
> perhaps 3 of the movies so the audience could suspend its disbelief.

I agree.  It would be interesting to see what Rupert's and Daniel's parents
look like, not that it would be completely conclusive by any means, but we
might get some idea as to whether they're likely to become more or less Ron-
and Harry-like. :)

*much snippage of good stuff*
> In summary, Warners will be under intense pressure from the
> Radcliffes either to give Dan a break for his 15th and 16th years and
> delay filming of whatever movie's then current until after his exams,
> or alternatively to recast the role either for that movie, or
> permanently. As I've said elesewhere on this subjest, I'm glad that
> I'm not in any of the parties' shoes - it's a tough decision to make
> from whatever persepctive!

What I'm MORE afraid of is that they'll see this, or perhaps the children's'
changes physically, as reasons to replace them with other actors at that
point.  I simply can NOT see anyone but Daniel, Rupert, Emma and Tom playing
the main children's' roles.  Then there's always the possibility that the
kids themselves or their parents may decide that doing the films is no
longer in their best interests.  Considering what I've heard about the
treatment and handling of the kids on the film, this last seems most
unlikely, but you never know.  Maybe they'll get sick of acting or as being
known as the Harry Potter kids.

The only positive thing I can say is that all of these challenges have been,
to a certain extent, met and managed in the past.  There have been children
starring in TV and film since the mediums came into existence, and there are
laws as well as other rules to keep them doing well in these situations. (I
just read the article in _Cinefex_ magazine about doing HP, fascinating
stuff btw, and they talked about how difficult it was to do the Quidditch
scenes when the kids were different ages and they had different rules to
follow, trying to get the whole thing done)  Sure, there are examples of
fame and fortune doing children less than good (Macauley Culkin, pick up the
phone), but there are many others who have gone on to do other things with
their lives, or have continued to act.  I think that the parents involvement
in their children's careers and the emphasis on the CHILD and not the money
or career is what makes the difference.

> Incidentally, one thing for which Dan R. appears to be completely
> unprepared (at least right now) is the celebrity circuit: he got an
> award, televised the other night on UK TV, as "most promising showbiz
> newcomer" (which he knew about before the day - this wasn't one of
> those "and the nominees are..." type awards). Standing up to make his
> acceptance speech seemed to be VERY difficult for him and he looked
> even more shell-shocked than he did at the London premiere of the
> first movie. That Alan Rickman was there getting an award for his
> stage work didn't seem to help, either (especially as Rickman ended
> his speech as Snape). :-)

I don't think it's a matter of being unprepared.  I think the boy is just
naturally incredibly shy.  If you compare interviews with Dan to interviews
with Rupert or Emma, who both have _less_ acting experience than Dan, they
both do much better.  Rupert especially is able to be quite gregarious, and
Emma does come off a little like Hermione (best example being her citing a
report she did on Japan when asked about whether she wanted to visit there),
which I find quite amusing. :)  Daniel is definitely not the first performer
who is naturally quite shy who manages to do well despite that, and it's
certainly possible that as he gets older, the shyness will dissipate
somewhat.  I myself was painfully shy when I was young, and now I do very
well unless in a large crowd.  I even LIKE speaking in public. ;)

I also have to say that I'm quite jealous you were able to see the Variety
Awards.  I have a sound clip of what Rickman said, but I'd really like to
hear Daniel's speech, or even better, see both!  It sounded delightful.

Morrigan
Morrigan's Harry Potter Slash www.byz.org/~morrigan/hpslash.html





From suzchiles at pobox.com  Sat Feb 16 04:28:02 2002
From: suzchiles at pobox.com (zoehooch)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:28:02 -0000
Subject: HP movie still out??
In-Reply-To: <a4emf7+ere8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a4kn4i+vf38@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "River3_98" <ITZregina at h...> wrote:
> I've noticed many people saying they have watched HP again 
recently.  
> You are so lucky!  We lost HP about a month ago.  I'm counting down 
> the days until I get my hands on the DVD.

The film fell off the schedules here in Portland, Oregon today! I'm 
shocked! Angry! But mostly I feel bereft.

I'm hoping one of the independent theatres that often show second-run 
movies will pick it up. Hey, maybe I should give them a call and 
suggest that!  

I'm not sure that I can wait until May ...

Zoe




From azingam at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Feb 16 11:30:45 2002
From: azingam at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Allocin?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:30:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: public, private, GCSEs & audio clips (was Future Movies/Children's' Futures)
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLPEOCLIKCDBACHIBOECODAAA.morrigan@byz.org>
Message-ID: <20020216113045.66327.qmail@web14902.mail.yahoo.com>

> However, it's obvious that the Radcliffes have their sights raised a 
> little higher, and they'll want Dan to do well academically. On-set 
> tutoring is fine and dandy for continued schooling, but I'm not sure 
> it's the best environment in which to prepare for and take vital 
> exams.

Im one of those unfortunate souls who goes to a really, for lack of a
better word, bad school. Im doing my GCSEs next year, and I can
honestly say I will not be prepared. That is because when one goes to a
school such as mine, one goes with hooligans who will be in jail by age
20, and therefore one does not get the attention or education one needs
to pass ones exams with the As and Bs one could get.

I understand that Dan Radcliffe goes to a private school most other
times, no? If what my friend (who went to a private, international,
paid-for-by-the-Embassy school in Turkey) says is true, he should find
private tutoring just fine for his GCSEs. To be able to go through all
your mathematics difficulties alone with a teacher and tackle each one
until you have them perfect*sigh* I wish.

Im sure Rupert Grint (and to a lesser extent, perhaps Emma Watson)
would understand what Im getting at. I heard Grints grades shot up
when he started private tutoring on set. His GCSEs should be
immaculate.
 
> In summary, Warners will be under intense pressure from the 
> Radcliffes either to give Dan a break for his 15th and 16th years and

> delay filming of whatever movie's then current until after his exams,

> or alternatively to recast the role either for that movie, or 
> permanently. As I've said elsewhere on this subject, I'm glad that 
> I'm not in any of the parties' shoes - it's a tough decision to make 
> from whatever perspective!

It would be a bit pointless to replace the child actors at this point,
mainly because they would have to get others of that age group, which
would merely disrupt more students in their education. What if Dan
decided that he could do filming at 15, but not at 16? They would have
to bring in a look-alike (which might take a long time to find) and
take that person out of the last year (mostly revision and finishing
coursework year) and stick them in a strange set and a strange cast
Warner Bros. cant possibly be stupid enough to do that. They can
always talk to the exam board to see if the exams can be taken at a
different time. Its been done before (for experimental purposes).
 
> > Incidentally, one thing for which Dan R. appears to be completely
> > unprepared (at least right now) is the celebrity circuit: he got an
> > award, televised the other night on UK TV, as "most promising
> showbiz
> > newcomer" (which he knew about before the day - this wasn't one of
> > those "and the nominees are..." type awards). Standing up to make
> his
> > acceptance speech seemed to be VERY difficult for him and he looked
> > even more shell-shocked than he did at the London premiere of the
> > first movie. That Alan Rickman was there getting an award for his
> > stage work didn't seem to help, either (especially as Rickman ended
> > his speech as Snape). :-)
> 
> I don't think it's a matter of being unprepared.  I think the boy is
> just
> naturally incredibly shy.  If you compare interviews with Dan to
> interviews
> with Rupert or Emma, who both have _less_ acting experience than Dan,
> they
> both do much better.  Rupert especially is able to be quite
> gregarious, and
> Emma does come off a little like Hermione (best example being her
> citing a
> report she did on Japan when asked about whether she wanted to visit
> there),
> which I find quite amusing. :)  Daniel is definitely not the first
> performer
> who is naturally quite shy who manages to do well despite that, and
> it's
> certainly possible that as he gets older, the shyness will dissipate
> somewhat.  I myself was painfully shy when I was young, and now I do
> very
> well unless in a large crowd.  I even LIKE speaking in public. ;)

No offence to anyone, especially Dan and his parents, but he does seem
to be a bit sheltered. Like you said, Grint isnt at all embarrassed to
be in front of an audience  rather, he seems to enjoy the attention.
Maybe thats due to his large family, or maybe its due to the fact
that to be heard in a public school, you cant afford to be bashful. A
shy BOY in a public school wouldnt last five seconds (Ive seen it
happen).

> I also have to say that I'm quite jealous you were able to see the
> Variety
> Awards.  I have a sound clip of what Rickman said, but I'd really
> like to
> hear Daniel's speech, or even better, see both!  It sounded
> delightful.

You have a sound clip? Can you upload it onto Yahoo!Groups? Id love to
hear Snape NOT in the movie. And if anyone has Dans speech (audio or
visual) Id love to see that. Just to see if his embarrassment has
faded since the Japanese interview.

Nicola


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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Feb 16 14:31:25 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny & Bryce)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:31:25 -0600
Subject: Dan's Future
References: <a4kera+bm6k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C6E6D3D.9060805@swbell.net>

Hi --

Changed the subject heading a bit ...

GulPlum wrote:


> However, it's obvious that the Radcliffes have their sights raised a
> little higher, and they'll want Dan to do well academically. On-set
> tutoring is fine and dandy for continued schooling, but I'm not sure
> it's the best environment in which to prepare for and take vital
> exams.

It does seem that Dan is continuing to attend his private school in 
London while not filming though.  From what I've read, he's so far been 
able to devote a reasonable amt of time to continuing his personal life. 
  In other words, I'm not sure that filming has eaten up the majority of 
each year for him so far.  As the movies get longer, this might change 
though.  I'm glad that the Radcliffes seem concerned that he have other 
options, and Dan himself seems centered & not convinced that acting his 
what he wants to pursue as an adult.  I think he'll be certain he keeps 
his options open.

> 
> 
> Incidentally, one thing for which Dan R. appears to be completely
> unprepared (at least right now) is the celebrity circuit: he got an
> award, televised the other night on UK TV, as "most promising showbiz
> newcomer" (which he knew about before the day - this wasn't one of
> those "and the nominees are..." type awards). Standing up to make his
> acceptance speech seemed to be VERY difficult for him and he looked
> even more shell-shocked than he did at the London premiere of the
> first movie.

He is very shy!  I find this very endearing.  He looked like he didn't 
know what to make of Rosie when he did that appearance in the US last 
fall.  I'm always amazed that shy people end up in acting careers of all 
things -- being shy myself, drama is the last thing I'd do.

Great post Gulplum!

Penny





From caithness01 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 16:26:09 2002
From: caithness01 at yahoo.com (Mary Korth)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:26:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The height question...
Message-ID: <20020216162609.1401.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com>


"Whether or not Harry is shorter than Ron is
irrelevant, as long as Dan remains thin-framed - "

I have to agree.  When we see him in the Mirror of
Erised, James Potter is described as being a "tall,
thin, black haired man."  Seeing how Harry is so much
like his father in every other way, why can't he be
tall, too?  Doesn't it say somewhere in the beginning
of CoS or PoA that Harry has to go to Madam Malkin's
for new robes because his old ones were several inches
too short?  So we know that, once he's out of the
Dursleys house and into a world where he belongs, we
he's growing physically as well as personally.  

Besides, if Daniel hits his growth spurt before
Rupert, who cares?  it's not as if it's anything
either of them can do anything about.  They're still
very talented young actors and I can't imagine anyone
else in their roles.  I'm more than willing to suspend
my disbelief.
  

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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 16 19:45:55 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:45:55 -0000
Subject: Dan's Future
In-Reply-To: <3C6E6D3D.9060805@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a4mctj+l85h@eGroups.com>

Comments on a few posts in one...

From:  Penny & Bryce 

> It does seem that Dan is continuing to attend his private school in 
> London while not filming though.  From what I've read, he's so far
> been able to devote a reasonable amt of time to continuing his 
> personal life. 
>   In other words, I'm not sure that filming has eaten up the
> majority of each year for him so far.  As the movies get longer, 
> this might change though.  I'm glad that the Radcliffes seem 
> concerned that he have other options, and Dan himself seems 
> centered & not convinced that acting his what he wants to pursue as 
> an adult.  I think he'll be certain he keeps his options open.

Absolutely. From all accounts, he is very much a normal 12 year-old 
and has been allowed to follow his interests and be with his non-
movie friends. As someone else said, though, he seems to lead an 
extremely sheltered life (right now, that can only be for the 
better!) 

Something I read somewhere (sorry about being vague!) indicated that 
his parents had withdrawn him from the private school he attended 
(mainly to stop him being pestered on his way to, from and at school) 
and he's now home-schooled when not on set - this is actually 
extremely easy by UK rules. It makes sense to me, at any rate, and 
sounds very plausible - it's what I'd have done if I was in their 
shoes!

I underline though, that my concerns aren't for now or next year, but 
when he has to start preparing for his exams. If the industry rumours 
are correct and GoF is done as two movies but with a single, long, 
production schedule, this is going to be hell on both the actors and 
the budget, because of the constraints of British child employment 
law. This is why I fear that Warners may be VERY sorely tempted to 
recast Harry (at the very least), especially if the Radcliffes put on 
the pressure to give Dan time off. The child employment laws run up 
to age 16 (the end of obligatory schooling) and as a 16 or 17 year-
old playing a 14 year-old is not impossible, Warners might want to 
save on the budget and the production schedule by finding a new 
Harry. The Radcliffes probably won't mind, but the issue will be 
whether the fans will accept it... The alternative solution will be 
to give in to the Radcliffes' demands and delay production, and thus 
not have a new HP movie for at least 2 years. But will Warners' 
marketing people allow it?

> He is very shy!  I find this very endearing.  He looked like he 
didn't 
> know what to make of Rosie when he did that appearance in the US 
last 
> fall.  I'm always amazed that shy people end up in acting careers 
of all 
> things -- being shy myself, drama is the last thing I'd do.

Shyness and drama aren't mutually exclusive - actually, most actors 
consider themselves (and are considered) that way, and IMO the best 
actors usually are quite introspective. The issue is that many people 
(myself included) don't have a problem with appearing in public, on 
condition that it's not AS THEMSELVES. It's quite clear that Dan has 
a natural flair and lack of self-consciousness in front of a camera 
when playing a part, but is quite uneasy when it's as himself, and he 
doesn't have someone else's words to say. On top of it, he seems to 
have a physical reaction to being over-excited: hyper-ventilating, 
etc. and that doesn't help.

> Great post Gulplum!

Ooh-er. Thanks. :-)

From:  "Morrigan //Vicki//" 

> It would be interesting to see what Rupert's and Daniel's parents
> look like, not that it would be completely conclusive by any means, 
> but we might get some idea as to whether they're likely to become 
> more or less Ron-and Harry-like. :)

I'm sure that the producers looked very closely at their fathers and 
asked about their adolescence to make just that judgment. :-)

> I think that the parents involvement in their children's careers 
> and the emphasis on the CHILD and not the money or career is what 
> makes the difference.

Absolutely, 100%. I know that Dan's parents are far from poverty, and 
reading between the lines, I gather the same is true of Rupert's and 
Emma's. From what I recall, the main problem Columbus had with Culkin 
wasn't with the kid himself, but his father, who was trying to make 
as money as possible with scant regard for his son's present or 
future welfare. Columbus learned his lesson well, and chose actors 
for HP where these issues were less likely to crop up. Apart from 
being better for the kids themselves, it makes film production 
easier...

> I also have to say that I'm quite jealous you were able to see the 
> Variety Awards. I have a sound clip of what Rickman said, but I'd 
> really like to hear Daniel's speech, or even better, see both! It 
> sounded delightful.

Be jealous no longer: http://plum.cream.org/HP/variety.htm
(yes, that's my site)






From srae1971 at iglou.com  Sat Feb 16 21:06:43 2002
From: srae1971 at iglou.com (Shannon)
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:06:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's Future
In-Reply-To: <a4mctj+l85h@eGroups.com>
References: <3C6E6D3D.9060805@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020216160643.00a7e1d8@pop.iglou.com>

At 07:45 PM 2/16/2002 -0000, Gulplum wrote:

>
>Absolutely. From all accounts, he is very much a normal 12 year-old 
>and has been allowed to follow his interests and be with his non-
>movie friends. As someone else said, though, he seems to lead an 
>extremely sheltered life (right now, that can only be for the 
>better!) 
>
>Something I read somewhere (sorry about being vague!) indicated that 
>his parents had withdrawn him from the private school he attended 
>(mainly to stop him being pestered on his way to, from and at school) 
>and he's now home-schooled when not on set - this is actually 
>extremely easy by UK rules. It makes sense to me, at any rate, and 
>sounds very plausible - it's what I'd have done if I was in their 
>shoes!

I'm so glad that Daniel Radcliffe is keeping to a normal way of life.  I am
so bothered by these 12 year old actors who sound like they are 40 year
olds in a 12 year old body.  It's rather disturbing, I think.  


>I underline though, that my concerns aren't for now or next year, but 
>when he has to start preparing for his exams. If the industry rumours 
>are correct and GoF is done as two movies but with a single, long, 
>production schedule, this is going to be hell on both the actors and 
>the budget, 

I'd be willing to guess that, given the success of Lord of the Rings, the
likeliehood of GoF being shot just that way has increased by a significant
margin.  



>law. This is why I fear that Warners may be VERY sorely tempted to 
>recast Harry (at the very least), especially if the Radcliffes put on 
>the pressure to give Dan time off. The child employment laws run up 
>to age 16 (the end of obligatory schooling) and as a 16 or 17 year-
>old playing a 14 year-old is not impossible, Warners might want to 
>save on the budget and the production schedule by finding a new 
>Harry. The Radcliffes probably won't mind, but the issue will be 
>whether the fans will accept it... The alternative solution will be 
>to give in to the Radcliffes' demands and delay production, and thus 
>not have a new HP movie for at least 2 years. But will Warners' 
>marketing people allow it?

Personally, I think they'd be *insane* to recast any of the major roles if
they could possibly avoid it.  They had a hard enough time finding Harry
the first time...it'd be even worse now with the pressure of finding
someone that the fans will accept in place of Daniel, who has all the
qualities that are essential to Harry. Especially given the pivotal events
of GoF.  Warner's had better bend over backwards to keep hold of Daniel.

> 
>Emma's. From what I recall, the main problem Columbus had with Culkin 
>wasn't with the kid himself, but his father, who was trying to make 
>as money as possible with scant regard for his son's present or 
>future welfare. 

There was an interview recently with Elijah Wood where he talks about
working with McCauley Culkin on The Good Son.  Much of the current talk
about Elijah is of course how nicely he's making the transition from child
actor to adult actor. Anyway, if I recall correctly, he said that McCauley
Culkin seemed nice enough, but that Culkin's father was "scary," and said
he was really freaked out by him.  


Shannon





From alchemillalady at aol.com  Sun Feb 17 11:33:03 2002
From: alchemillalady at aol.com (alchemillalady)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:33:03 -0000
Subject: Shy actors, Rickman as a leading man
Message-ID: <a4o4df+fjhq@eGroups.com>

Does anyone remember when Mel Gibson was new to stardom and he gave 
terribly nervous (excruciating to watch) interviews??  I remember 
that he was unable to sit still, gave breathless answers, and made 
jokes that fell flat.  --This was sooo long ago, I am giving away my 
age, I suppose--?  

Maybe time and experience will make interviews, etc. easier for 
Radcliffe.   He is perfectly charming in one-on-one interviews--
Hollywood.com has a good one, and I've seen a few others.  Perhaps 
it's the presence of a crowd that makes him nervous.  Give him some 
time and the charm will come through in more public situations

On a different subject-- Alan Rickman made such a wonderful sensitive 
and (long-ago) heartbroken leading man in Sense and Sensibility--I 
actually had a crush on him (anyone else?)  Every role since then has 
squashed that notion-- oh well.  I look forward to more of his 
perfectly acted Snape role.

--alchemillalady




From editor at texas.net  Sun Feb 17 15:28:54 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:28:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shy actors, Rickman as a leading man
References: <a4o4df+fjhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004701c1b7c7$d08f1f20$107763d1@texas.net>

Alchemillalady (hell of a name) said:

> On a different subject-- Alan Rickman made such a wonderful sensitive
> and (long-ago) heartbroken leading man in Sense and Sensibility--I
> actually had a crush on him (anyone else?)  Every role since then has
> squashed that notion-- oh well.

What else have you seen? And can't earlier roles be taken into account?

I personally really liked him in An Awfully Big Adventure, but I don't
remember if it predated S&S; also in Truly, Madly, Deeply (which did); also
in Rasputin; in fact, all of his roles are worth seeing (including the old
BBC stuff like the Barchester Chronicles). Oh, and lots of ladies like him
in Mesmer.

For sensitive leading role, take on Blow Dry, which only came out in the
last year or so. It was also my first introduction to Josh Hartnett, who
does very well too. And to Bill Nighy, who I still maintain should have been
either Lupin or, better, Lucius Malfoy.

Rickman stuff can be hard to get hold of; lots of his films seem to end up
in release problems, like Mesmer. It often takes careful combing of the
video rental places (there was only one of the HBO Rasputin videos in all of
San Antonio..!).

>  I look forward to more of his perfectly acted Snape role.

You & me both.

--Amanda





From norsecode at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 18 02:19:30 2002
From: norsecode at yahoo.com (norsecode)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:19:30 -0000
Subject: Dan's Future
In-Reply-To: <3C6E6D3D.9060805@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a4pobi+jl5t@eGroups.com>

GulPlum wrote:
> I'm not sure it's the best environment in which to prepare for
> and take vital exams.

I don't know about that.  I remember hearing that at least some of 
the actors were doing better in school as a result of the private 
tutoring.  And who wouldn't with such one-on-one attention?

I think if anything will play a part in how they do on their exams is 
how hard they are working on the movie.  I.e. will they have the time 
necessary (or maybe, more importantly, will they have the frame of 
mind necessary) to buckle down and concentrate on studying for the 
exams?

GulPlum wrote:
> Incidentally, one thing for which Dan appears to be completely 
> unprepared (at least right now) is the celebrity circuit

Hmm.  Something that kind of gets me is how blase he is about fame.  
He speaks of it as if he's looking forward to it.  To me, that's kind 
of scary b'c it says to me that he doesn't really know what he's in 
for.  Perhaps this is part of his being sheltered (as Nicola 
mentioned).  But, I mean, there aren't too many celebrities who enjoy 
the down side of being famous (loss of privacy, fans screaming all 
over the place, no time to self out in public, etc).  Now granted, 
these come with the territory, and people who go into this profession 
should expect it.  But, Dan's indifference to it worries me, b'c he 
will come face to face with it and will have to figure out how to 
deal with it.  I think in an interview I saw, he was saying how he 
was kind of surprised with all the screaming and stuff at the 
premier.  That kind of attention is not going to end any time soon.  
And if it's weird for him now.. well he'll have to work that out.

Hmmm... I forgot what I was trying to get at here, but I think I made 
some sort of a point in there somewhere.  :)

Morrigan wrote:
> (I just read the article in _Cinefex_ magazine about doing HP,
> fascinating stuff btw, and they talked about how difficult it
> was to do the Quidditch scenes when the kids were different
> ages and they had different rules to follow, trying to get
> the whole thing done)

Hey, I just finished reading that (tremendously LONG) article.  It 
was pretty interesting to read about all the effects, etc.  And after 
finishig it, I'm even more annoyed HP wasn't nominated for an Oscar 
for visual effects.

While the article mentioned the difficulty in filming the Quidditch 
scenes in particular, I'm sure the work restrictions on child labor 
made it tought to film the whole movie.

Penny wrote:
> I'm always amazed that shy people end up in acting careers of
> all things -- being shy myself, drama is the last thing I'd do.

Actually, I can imagine that lots of shy people go into acting.  
Perhaps not into Hollywood, but into comunity theater and such things.

I am shy (or at least I was) and I loved (still do) acting.  It was 
great to get out of my shell and be someone else.  I guess you could 
say I was a goody-2-shoes, and I loved playing bad-girl parts.  It 
was fun to be someone different.  The director of one play wanted to 
cast me as the goody-2-shoes character in this one play, but I tried 
out for the the bad-girl part, and I got it.  :)  It was so fun.

Perhaps shy people use acting as a way to get away from what they 
really are.  Perhaps it's too frightening to get out of it in general 
public, but acting on the stage (or in front of the camera) allows 
them more freedom (comfort?) to do this.

Alchemillalady wrote:
> Maybe time and experience will make interviews, etc.
> easier for Radcliffe.

I think so.  Once he becomes comfortable with doing interviews he 
will be more open.  I'm sure he'll also start taking cues from 
Rupert, who is much more open and able to go along with interviewers 
and even banter a bit.

Dawn




From mandm at discover-net.net  Mon Feb 18 04:02:47 2002
From: mandm at discover-net.net (Mary Shearer)
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:02:47 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shy actors, Rickman as a leading man
References: <a4o4df+fjhq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3C707CE6.3757BF98@discover-net.net>



alchemillalady wrote:

> On a different subject-- Alan Rickman made such a wonderful sensitive
> and (long-ago) heartbroken leading man in Sense and Sensibility--I
> actually had a crush on him (anyone else?)  Every role since then has
> squashed that notion-- oh well.  I look forward to more of his
> perfectly acted Snape role.

Oh yeah!  I was actually pretty apathetic about the HP movie (because I
loved the books so) until I heard that Rickman was to be Snape.  (Boy,
am I glad I went, 'cause I fell in love with the whole darn thing!) But
Sense and Sensibility had me hooked on Rickman from the outset...when he
leans over and whispers "The air is full of spices"...one of the best
voices in the business!  And I *knew* he wouldn't disappoint with
Snape's opening speech for potions class...  "I can teach you how to
bewitch the mind and ensnare the senses..."  yeah, baby!  He's great
leading man material.  Apparently the authors of the hilarious book
"Cinematherapy, a Woman's Guide to Movies for Every Mood" are rabid
Rickman fans as well...I would highly recommend reading their write-up
on the dishy Mr. Rickman, and think that I will brew a nice cup of tea
and settle in to watch my rather worn-out copy of  Sense and
Sensibility.
-Mary

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From inviziblegirl at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 18 17:57:55 2002
From: inviziblegirl at hotmail.com (reanna20)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:57:55 -0000
Subject: Dan's Future
In-Reply-To: <3C6E6D3D.9060805@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <a4rfb3+4eqa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Penny & Bryce <pennylin at s...> wrote:
> 
> He is very shy!  I find this very endearing.  He looked like he 
> didn't know what to make of Rosie when he did that appearance in 
> the US last fall.  I'm always amazed that shy people end up in 
> acting careers of all things -- being shy myself, drama is the last 
> thing I'd do.

Depends on the type of shyness. My shyness stems from the fact that I 
have problems being open and free with people I don't know well. My 
thought processes grind to a halt because everything I could say has 
to go through an internal "is this okay" checker. While this creates 
problems in social situations, it doesn't on a stage. There, your 
words are *given* to you. You don't have to worry about them.

Of course, if you're afraid of large groups of people or giving 
speeches, well then acting would be very difficult. But if you love 
something enough...acting strikes me as something where the 
anticipation is dreadful but once you're on stage (or on camera), 
everything is fine.

I am amazed at how shy Daniel is. It boggles the mind and is so 
adorable that I want to scream "Leave him alone!" and rush to rescue 
him. Whenever he is asked a question, you can *see* that he is trying 
to think of the best, most truthful answer and is getting flustered 
in the process. I love it and at the same time, it makes me itchy.

~Amber
********
http://www.the-tabula-rasa.com

I am moved by fancies that are curled
Around these images, and cling:
The notion of some infinitely gentle
Infinitely suffering thing.
- excerpt from "Preludes" by T.S. Eliot




From kechelsen at aol.com  Mon Feb 18 22:28:15 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:28:15 -0000
Subject: Shy actors, Rickman as a leading man
In-Reply-To: <3C707CE6.3757BF98@discover-net.net>
Message-ID: <a4rv5v+ppnp@eGroups.com>

Isn't this funny... I was driving back home from a weekend away, and 
the movie Sense and Sensibility came into my head as I drove;  
thinking about that wonderful movie made me want to see it again.
I come here, and low and behold I find a discussion about Col. 
Brandon...

I thought Alan Rickman was WONDERFUL as the Colonel.  He was every 
inch the leading man, and I really thought Marianne was stupid for 
not giving him the time of day just because of Willoughby.  The scene 
near the end of the film, where's he's reading to Marianne after she 
recovered from her illness was very touching, especially when she 
asks if they will pick it up tomorrow and he says "no for I must 
away" or something like that.

I've seen a couple of his other movies, but he's been mostly the bad 
guy in those -- the original Die Hard, and Quigly down Under.  I 
always thought he was attractive, even if he was the villian.  When I 
heard that Rickman was chosen to play Snape I also thought it was 
very inspired casting.  And he was PERFECT... No one else could 
POSSIBLY play that character.  I am so looking forward to seeing him 
in the next film and those that come after.

Kathy




From ShelaghC at aol.com  Tue Feb 19 15:27:19 2002
From: ShelaghC at aol.com (shelaghcol)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:27:19 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter now second highest grossing movie of all time
Message-ID: <a4tqsn+ei1n@eGroups.com>



http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_524478.html





From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Tue Feb 19 16:35:40 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:35:40 -0600
Subject: the coming movies
Message-ID: <3C727EDC.803DF8B3@kingwoodcable.com>

(Note to readers...this post was originally posted ont he of OTChatter.)

blpurdom wrote:

> I actually have higher hopes for the CoS film than the first one
> because a) It won't have to have a different title in the US and the
> UK; b) it will have Kenneth Branagh playing Gilderoy Lockhart, who
> is a HOOT; c) Emma Watson may have time to get some acting lessons
> (:snerk:) d) characters like Penelope Clearwater, Justin Finch-
> Fletchley, Tom Riddle, Lucius Malfoy, Aragog, Peeves and Moaning
> Myrtle will be introduced, making things more interesting (one can
> hope; I was disappointed by the fact that Hermione's female
> dormmates were never introduced, and that Dean and Neville got short
> shrift in favor of Seamus' non-canon explosions); e) we get to see
> the Burrow, the Flying Ford Anglia, Knockturn Alley and Myrtle's
> bathroom.  Plus f) we'll be that much closer to the film of PoA
> becoming a reality, which is what I'm REALLY waiting for
> (Sirius/Remus)....

I'm not expecting much for CoS. I'll watch and hope it's good, but I
have my doubts. My main doubt comes from Warner not using the talents of
Henson for Dobby, but instead making him a CGI character. Ack. Anyone
ever hear of Jar Jar Binks? Yuck! 

I do think that they'll make Aragog and the Spiders puppets though...for
some reason I'm envisioning the spiders in The Dark Crystal, though they
probably isn't close to what they look like (they actually probably look
like real spiders). 

I believe we'll hear mention of Penelope, and see the photos, but will
not see a real live character. Same with Justin (or did he have a
crucial part in the book?). I'm looking forward to Brannagh as
Lockhart...he will be fabulous...he'll be in his element. I'm looking
forward to the Burrow and Knockturn Alley. 

I agree with Barb, that I'm REALLY waiting for PoA, which I think is
going to be excellent! GoF is going to be a feat, if they decide to go
forward with the rest of the movies. I would think they'd almost have to
continue the rest of the movies if they go forward with PoA (which is
already listed on IMDB). If they weren't sure whether or not the rest of
the movie are going to work out, they'd have an awful lot of script
munching to do to make it a realistic finale (not to mention trying to
drag the end of series secrets out from Rowling).

What is everyone else looking forward/not looking forward to in the next
few movies?
-Katze



From nansie at bigsky.net  Tue Feb 19 16:57:15 2002
From: nansie at bigsky.net (nancy cleaveland)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:57:15 -0700
Subject: Dumbledore's / Harry's "not really" comments
Message-ID: <003b01c1b966$7dbb1560$4ef4fcce@home>

OK, I'll come out of lurkdom to ask a question. I searched
the archives, but it's hard to search for "not really." <g>

At the beginning of PS/SS, Dumbledore says, "There, there,
Hagrid, it's not really good-bye after all," when Hagrid is
sniffling as baby Harry is left at the Dursleys' front door.

At the end, as the trio is getting on the Hogwarts Express,
Hermione says that it feels strange to be going home, to
which Harry replies (looking back at Hagrid), "I'm not going
home; not really."

Could there be more to this than I'm reading into it, or is
it just a coincidence? I mean, I know that Hagrid will see
Harry in ten years -and- that Hogwarts seems more like
"home" to Harry than Privet Drive. Neither statement is
canon, but I started to wonder after noticing the lightning
bolt wrinkles on Dumbledore's forehead in the hospital
scene. I'll also admit to thinking that Dumbledore and Harry
were one and the same during my first reading of SS, which
is probably why this jumped out at me in the first place.

--Nancy in MT (saw SS 16 times, still hasn't made it to
LoTR)




From pandrea13 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 19 18:54:19 2002
From: pandrea13 at yahoo.com (pandrea13)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:54:19 -0000
Subject: Dan's Future
In-Reply-To: <a4rfb3+4eqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a4u70r+9p4m@eGroups.com>

First let me say, I am a Rosie fan and extroverted. Having said 
this, if I had to be on the Rosie show I would be extremely shy. I 
mean, I love her but the woman practically screams at her 
guests. She is very in your face type and poor Daniel is quiet and 
not used to such a loud woman. I don't blame him one bit for not 
being used to her. I think maybe he needs to watch a couple of 
tapes of hers before he goes back on her show. That way, he will 
be ready for screaming Rosie!






From editor at texas.net  Wed Feb 20 03:38:41 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:38:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] the coming movies
References: <3C727EDC.803DF8B3@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <008901c1b9c0$1844b560$207763d1@texas.net>

Katze asked

> What is everyone else looking forward/not looking forward to in the next
> few movies?

For my least favorite of the books, CoS has two of my favorite scenes--the
duelling club and the staffroom scene. These, these I want to see. I hope
they don't cut any of the Snape/Lockhart interaction--Rickman and Branagh
will do this magnificently.

--Amanda




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed Feb 20 04:35:04 2002
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (davehoz)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 04:35:04 -0000
Subject: Movie Score
Message-ID: <a4v91o+coui@eGroups.com>

I was watching _Born Free_ the other night, and that's when I 
realized who *should* be doing the Harry Potter score: John Barry!  
He does scores that are mood-setting, emotional, and *not* 
overpowering and in-your-face like the existing Potter score by He-
Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.  And Barry has done fantasy in the past -- He 
wrote the score for the famous British film of _Alice's Adventures in 
Wonderland_ (the one with Peter Sellars, Dudley Moore, Micheal 
Crawford, et al).

Anyone else agree with me?

--
Dave





From aiz24 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 20 13:00:25 2002
From: aiz24 at hotmail.com (lupinesque)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:00:25 -0000
Subject: Movie Score
In-Reply-To: <a4v91o+coui@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a506l9+4ato@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "davehoz" <DaveH47 at m...> wrote:
> I was watching _Born Free_ the other night, and that's when I 
> realized who *should* be doing the Harry Potter score: John Barry! 

<snip>

> Anyone else agree with me?

I haven't seen Born Free or Alice's Adventures... so I had to look him 
 up on IMDB.  On his list is one of my favorite movies, The Verdict 
(and one of the many things I love about its director, Lumet, is his 
use of music, namely, it's RESTRAINED).  I can't remember the scores 
of the many other movies of his I've seen, which I take as a good 
sign.  I have no problem with leaving a movie theater humming the 
theme, and He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named gave me a couple of hummable ones 
with HP, but I do mind if the score is so prominent that I'm aware of 
it through most of the movie.  E.g., if you're going to have a stinger 
like the one they impose on the scene where Harry doesn't shake 
Draco's hand, you'd better have a very long list of very good reasons. 
 I *hate* that kind of scoring.  (Oh, my face is flushing just 
remembering it--my embarrassment is not for Draco, but for the 
composer.)

Amy Z 




From azingam at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 20 18:59:36 2002
From: azingam at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Allocin?=)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:59:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] the coming movies
In-Reply-To: <3C727EDC.803DF8B3@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <20020220185936.67971.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com>

Katze wrote:
> I'm not expecting much for CoS. I'll watch and hope it's good, but I
> have my doubts. My main doubt comes from Warner not using the talents
> of
> Henson for Dobby, but instead making him a CGI character. Ack. Anyone
> ever hear of Jar Jar Binks? Yuck! 

Tell me that's not confirmed. They are NOT making Dobby a CGI
character! PLEASE! No! I don't think I can stand more bad graphics.

I little OT, but does anyone agree with me in that special effects
looked more realistic in the 70s and, to a lesser extent, the 80s when
they were rough and merged in with the characters and settings (I'm
thining Star Wars and the like). Nowadays they look too smooth, the
only exception I can think of being Jurassic Park.

> What is everyone else looking forward/not looking forward to in the
> next
> few movies?
> -Katze

I like parts of all the books. In CoS I can't wait to see Lockhart.
I've only seen Branagh in one part (Wild Wild West) so if he can pull
off Gilderoy I;ll have him down as one of my favourite actors (can we
say diverse?). And I want to see what Columbus will do with the
Basilisk (not more CGI I pray!). And Tom. That picture someone sent out
a while back of the supposed Tom Riddle was really good; he looked the
part.

Of PoA, definitely Sirius and Remus and the Dementors (I keep wanting
to call the Ringwraiths *sp* Dementors). And Wormtail, and Crookshanks,
and Snuffles and... the whole thing, pretty much.

I'm still in doubt as to whether GoF will get the go ahead. It's a huge
production to undertake. But I also doubt JKR will divulge anything
about the end of the series just to finish the movies early - there's
just no way she would spoil Bk7.

Nicky

=====
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From caithness01 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 03:05:35 2002
From: caithness01 at yahoo.com (Mary Korth)
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:05:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Digest 151
Message-ID: <20020221030535.24681.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com>

"I was disappointed by the fact that Hermione's female
dormmates were never introduced, and that Dean and
Neville got short shrift in favor of Seamus' non-canon
explosions)"

I have to agree with you about Neville and Seamus. 
There was absolutely no reason to make Seamus the
klutz. Without Neville being the forgetful/clumsy one,
his appearing in the common room to stop the trio from
going through the trapdoor really doesn't make sense -
or rather, its nowhere near as potent as it is in the
book.  But - Dean didn't have that large a part in the
first book, and neither did Lavender Brown or Parvati
Patil.  They couldn't include every single character
from the book - the movie would have been 5 hours
long! (Not that I'd have minded that.... ;-) )

"They are NOT making Dobby a CGI character! PLEASE!
No! I don't think I can stand more bad graphics."
 
While I have to agree with you that I'd rather have
some form of a puppet/live action Dobby than a CGI
one, I have to quibble with what you say about the
graphics.  Granted, some of the graphics in the first
movie (the troll, parts of Quidditch...) weren't the
greatest.  But I just finished reading the
(unbelievably long) article in Cinefex... did you know
that the snake Harry speaks to in the london zoo was
CG?  Small movements were done by a puppet snake, but
most of it was CG.  I hadn't noticed.  Also - in the
troll scene, when the troll picks Harry up by his
ankles, that's not really Daniel (except, of course,
for the parts when he's talking).  That's a CG Harry. 
and all of the winged keys were CG.  I'm no expert
though - a lot of the Cinefex article went right over
my head.  I guess what it comes down to is this - I
enjoyed the movie for the exact same reason I enjoyed
the books: the story.  I watch it when I need a
quickie escape to Hogwarts, and I'm not worrying about
the graphics.    

Just thought I'd put my "two knuts" in on the debate
over the score.  Music is a completely subjective
topic, so this is my opinion only - take it for what
you will.  I got the soundtrack when it cam out in
October, and immediately fell in love with the
Quidditch track.  I could visualize the entire game
while listening to the music.  That, to me, is what
the definition of a good movie score is - music that
serves the picture and expresses things that light and
color and motion alone cannot.  When I saw the movie,
I had to agree with my friend Nate, who complains
about the swelling nature of John Williams' work. 
There are times when the music becomes to much of its
own entity - too overpowering.  But another bit of the
score that (to my knowledge) isn't on the CD struck me
very positively when I saw the movie - the first bit
in Diagon Alley.  I thought the way Williams used the
different instruments (strings in particular) to
create unusual sounds was a great way of showing
musically that this place is just a little bit
different than the ordinary, a little bit more
magical.  

Regardless of what we think of his work, I think that
we at least need to have enough respect for the
complexity of it.  I'm a freshman in college - a music
major.  Going through my music theory class and seeing
how hard it is to compose four measures of four-part
piano music, I can't help but have tremendous respect
for anyone who composes on such a grand scale.  (even
if it does occasionally get a little too grandiose.)

but like I said, that's just my opinion!

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From Joanne0012 at aol.com  Thu Feb 21 12:43:36 2002
From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:43:36 -0000
Subject: Digest 151
In-Reply-To: <20020221030535.24681.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a52q1o+snun@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Mary Korth <caithness01 at y...> wrote:

> While I have to agree with you that I'd rather have
> some form of a puppet/live action Dobby than a CGI
> one, I have to quibble with what you say about the
> graphics.  Granted, some of the graphics in the first
> movie (the troll, parts of Quidditch...) weren't the
> greatest.  But I just finished reading the
> (unbelievably long) article in Cinefex... did you know
> that the snake Harry speaks to in the london zoo was
> CG?  Small movements were done by a puppet snake, but
> most of it was CG.  I hadn't noticed.  Also - in the
> troll scene, when the troll picks Harry up by his
> ankles, that's not really Daniel (except, of course,
> for the parts when he's talking).  That's a CG Harry. 

Yikes, it was *obviously* a CG Harry.  His body shape wasn't even right!  And of 
course they wouldln't risk a real person flopping aroundlike that.

I think part of the problem with the CG work in HPSS was that it was done in a 
rush, and delegated to several different outfits because of time constraints. 
The centaur was so horrible, it looked like the work was half-done and got used 
even though they ran out of time to finish it!  Let's hope that Dobby gets better 
treatment.
> 
> Just thought I'd put my "two knuts" in on the debate
> over the score.  Music is a completely subjective
> topic, so this is my opinion only - take it for what
> you will.  I got the soundtrack when it cam out in
> October, and immediately fell in love with the
> Quidditch track.  I could visualize the entire game
> while listening to the music.  That, to me, is what
> the definition of a good movie score is - music that
> serves the picture and expresses things that light and
> color and motion alone cannot.  

Hmm, interesting opinion.  And probably part of the reason that Williams gets 
away with what he does, which is to overwhelm the action.  I don't understand 
the reasoning that a good score should also work well as a stand-alone piece that 
helps you visualize the action.  To me this is an indication of its very weakness -- 
trying to do too much, rather than just supporting and complementing the visual 
component.  The only reason for a score to be good listening independent of the 
fliim itself is so that it will sell CD's.  That's why Williams is so popular with 
filmmakers -- he helps them make more money by selling more copies of the 
score, by making it more independently-listenable.




From lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu  Thu Feb 21 18:41:54 2002
From: lee_hillman at urmc.rochester.edu (Hillman, Lee)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:41:54 -0500
Subject: Music in the movie
Message-ID: <95774A6A6036D411AFEA00D0B73C864303B0586C@exmc3.urmc.rochester.edu>

I was watching Amistad the other day, and it struck me at several points how
Williams *did* hold back on the music, made it very subtle, very
understated, during certain scenes.

With all the controversy over Williams here, I think that there are two
major reasons the score is a little disappointing. I do like the overall
themes, and I happen to really like Williams's unmistakable style, for the
most part, but here's what I think it comes down to:

1. He blew this thing off. He was asked, accepted it among a bunch of other
projects (such as this year's Olympic theme, which is also ho-hum), and just
knocked it off in a weekend or two. He really didn't put a lot of thought or
care into the work, unlike his earlier films or projects he really wanted to
be associated with.

2. Chris Columbus. I would not be surprised if Chris had been a little timid
about going to John and saying, "can we pull that back a bit?" the way that
I'm sure Stephen Spielberg or George Lucas or any number of directors who've
worked with Williams a lot are able to do. It's not that Williams is
necessarily all that intimidating (though he may be, I don't know), but
Columbus may be a little worried about expecting too much from a fabulously
important composer who really doesn't want to expend any more effort on the
project than necessary. And he may also be aware that he doesn't have the
relationship with John that other filmmakers have.

Of course, I could just be fabricating all this. But it makes sense to me.

Gwen



From bersaba_berkley at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 18:42:02 2002
From: bersaba_berkley at yahoo.com (bersaba_berkley)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:42:02 -0000
Subject: Shy actors, Rickman as a leading man
In-Reply-To: <a4rv5v+ppnp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a53f1q+n97h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "kathye_c" <kechelsen at a...> wrote:
> I've seen a couple of his other movies, but he's been mostly the 
bad 
> guy in those -- the original Die Hard, and Quigly down Under.  I 
> always thought he was attractive, even if he was the villian.  


I like him the best when he's playing the villian!
And you should really watch Galaxy Quest and Dogma, he's terrific in 
those.

Bersaba




From caithness01 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 21:21:19 2002
From: caithness01 at yahoo.com (Mary Korth)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:21:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: the score
Message-ID: <20020221212119.87370.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com>

" I don't understand the reasoning that a good score
should also work well as a stand-alone piece that
helps you visualize the action.  "

I didn't mean to say that that was what a good score
should do.  I only meant that that was the experience
I had with that one track.  

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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 21 22:57:05 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:57:05 -0000
Subject: Music in the movie
In-Reply-To: <95774A6A6036D411AFEA00D0B73C864303B0586C@exmc3.urmc.rochester.edu>
Message-ID: <a53u01+drh2@eGroups.com>

"Hillman, Lee" <lee_hillman at u...> wrote:

> 1. He blew this thing off. He was asked, accepted it among a bunch 
of other
> projects (such as this year's Olympic theme, which is also ho-hum), 
and just
> knocked it off in a weekend or two. He really didn't put a lot of 
thought or
> care into the work, unlike his earlier films or projects he really 
wanted to
> be associated with.

I'm not entirely sure about that. Williams is very professional and 
rarely gives less than 100%. He knew this movie was going to be big, 
and would have been likely to try to do his best.

As it happens, I'm not a huge Williams fan (though I am of film music)
and one of my main problems is that he very rarely holds back. 
Williams is a very able composer, in that he has the talent to make 
music speak to us directly. This is one reason why his scores are so 
popular in their own right, as they often are "great music". But 
that's not his job. For instance, whilst I absolutely abhore Frans 
Zimmer's musical style (and question his talent), he does a lot for 
the movies he scores by really not getting in the way. The music (if 
that's what one wants to call it) is more a collection of notes 
rather than a musical work in its own right. Williams simply doesn't 
know how to write a piece of music which doesn't have intrinsic value.

Film directors know what they're going to get with Williams and hire 
him with full knowledge of that.

> 2. Chris Columbus. I would not be surprised if Chris had been a 
little timid
> about going to John and saying, "can we pull that back a bit?" the 
way that
> I'm sure Stephen Spielberg or George Lucas or any number of 
directors who've
> worked with Williams a lot are able to do. It's not that Williams is
> necessarily all that intimidating (though he may be, I don't know), 
but
> Columbus may be a little worried about expecting too much from a 
fabulously
> important composer who really doesn't want to expend any more 
effort on the
> project than necessary. And he may also be aware that he doesn't 
have the
> relationship with John that other filmmakers have.

err... they've worked together three times before (Home Alone I & II, 
Stepmon) and although the two HAs are similar (in "feel", if not 
melodically), Stepmom is very, very different.

I don't expect that Columbus was for a moment intimiated by Williams 
(who, by all all accounts, is one of the easiest "stars" to get along 
with in Hollywood). Williams is, however, very collaborative, and 
likes dialogue with his directors. If someone doesn't understand the 
use of music the way Columbus evidently doesn't, there's not much the 
composer can do. The use of Williams' music in their previous work is 
ample proof of this.

Besides, most of the scoring problems with HP (apart from 
Williams "borrowing" a lot of material from his past work) aren't 
about the music, but the sound mix in the finished product. More 
often than not, the sound editors simply did an appalling bad job. 
It's possible, though, that they had little choice - I recall 
Columbus saying that the sound editors had a challenge in this movie, 
getting rid of his constant instructions to the cast. The sound mix 
could be the way it is because they had to create a new soundscape 
and the easiest way was to do it with overly loud music...





From bookraptor11 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 22 19:23:42 2002
From: bookraptor11 at yahoo.com (bookraptor11)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:23:42 -0000
Subject: HP on AMC tonight
Message-ID: <a565ru+4h9t@eGroups.com>

At 10 tonight (EST) on Cinema Secrets, AMC is advertising that it is 
showing special effects from Harry Potter, and in the advert there's 
also a voiceover from Alan Rickman talking about the movie. I don't 
know if the whole half hour is about the movie or if it's like their 
usual CS, showing clips from more than one movie.

I don't know how AMC shows on other time zones or overseas.  Just 
thought I'd let you know.

Donna




From ITZregina at hanson.net  Fri Feb 22 23:09:49 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:09:49 -0000
Subject: I thought we were to see a pic of Dobby in February
Message-ID: <a56j3t+rbp1@eGroups.com>

I am happy to see at least two pics from COS so far.

I wasn't into the HP PS/SS movie until it came out. How often did WB 
give us pics & peeks of the movie throughout its making? When did 
trailers start? As you can tell, I'm anxious for more info on COS.

Gina




From ITZregina at hanson.net  Fri Feb 22 23:17:12 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:17:12 -0000
Subject: the coming movies
In-Reply-To: <3C727EDC.803DF8B3@kingwoodcable.com>
Message-ID: <a56jho+odes@eGroups.com>

  While rereading COS I was mentally taking notes of what I thought 
would be taken out.  I think the "Deathday Party" will be skipped. It 
doesn't have anything to do with the main point of the book.  It's 
just a humorous diversion.  Unfortunately, a lot of the humor is 
taken out to keep the movie short.  The trio would not need to be 
coming from the party for Harry to hear the basilisk again.

Gina




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 23 00:30:08 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:30:08 -0000
Subject: the coming movies
In-Reply-To: <a56jho+odes@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a56nqg+5ro9@eGroups.com>

"River3_98" <ITZregina at h...> wrote:
>   While rereading COS I was mentally taking notes of what I thought 
> would be taken out.  I think the "Deathday Party" will be skipped. 
It 
> doesn't have anything to do with the main point of the book.  It's 
> just a humorous diversion.  Unfortunately, a lot of the humor is 
> taken out to keep the movie short.  The trio would not need to be 
> coming from the party for Harry to hear the basilisk again.

It's not "just" a humorous diversion. It's an insight into Harry's 
character (he'll help someone even if it's distasteful for him and 
though he could be enjoying himself instead) and it shows something 
of the HRH dynamic in that Ron & Hermione follow along despite it not 
sounding particularly good fun. 

It also gives us an insight into the ghosts' social life (!) which 
may or may not become important later on. Furthermore, one of the 
invented lines in the first movie was NHN mentioning his attempts to 
get accepted for the Headless Hunt. I can't imagine the team dropping 
that thread. That the party introduces Moaning Myrtle is perhaps 
secondary...

I'm deliberately trying not to re-read CoS before the movie comes 
out, so I can't remember if there are any other salient points to be 
raised. :-)





From bethz1 at rcn.com  Sat Feb 23 02:08:41 2002
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in A Bottle)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:08:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: the coming movies
References: <a56jho+odes@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c1bc0f$03fe18c0$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>

No, but it is when the first petrifing takes place, and they all think Harry
is involved because he wasn't in the Great Hall with everyone else enjoying
the Halloween Party.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because they could possible take it out, but
its just a thought.

Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "River3_98" <ITZregina at hanson.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: the coming movies


>   While rereading COS I was mentally taking notes of what I thought
> would be taken out.  I think the "Deathday Party" will be skipped. It
> doesn't have anything to do with the main point of the book.  It's
> just a humorous diversion.  Unfortunately, a lot of the humor is
> taken out to keep the movie short.  The trio would not need to be
> coming from the party for Harry to hear the basilisk again.
>
> Gina




From saitaina at wizzards.net  Sat Feb 23 02:14:25 2002
From: saitaina at wizzards.net (Saitaina)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:14:25 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: the coming movies
References: <a56jho+odes@eGroups.com> <00b401c1bc0f$03fe18c0$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <01e001c1bc0f$d1a705c0$9f4e28d1@oemcomputer>

The Deathday Party most likely WILL be taken out as they put in the headless
hunt lines in the first movie and because it is not needed.  Harry and co
can miss the Halloween Party by simply being late and then racing off to
find the disembodied voice.  As they did not need the tower scene in regards
to Norbert (and by extension the hospital scene with Ron), they do not
really need the Deathday Party to introduce Moaning Myrtle or the Headless
Hunt.

Saitaina
****
Magician, SS Harry/Snape
Temp Captain on the SS Death Eater
Sailor, SS Guns and Handcuffs
(and I would list more of my ships but I'm getting sea sick)




From bethz1 at rcn.com  Sat Feb 23 02:42:33 2002
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in A Bottle)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:42:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: the coming movies
References: <a56jho+odes@eGroups.com> <00b401c1bc0f$03fe18c0$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com> <01e001c1bc0f$d1a705c0$9f4e28d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00df01c1bc13$bf0a2c40$7d3bfea9@cable.rcn.com>

But were the tower scene and Ron's hospital scene critical in the story
line?  I think anything dealing with Harry getting blamed for the
petrifications would be kept in.  Once again this is just my thoughts...and
we really won't know until November.

Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Saitaina" <saitaina at wizzards.net>

> Harry and co can miss the Halloween Party by simply being late and then
racing off to
> find the disembodied voice.  As they did not need the tower scene in
regards
> to Norbert (and by extension the hospital scene with Ron), they do not
> really need the Deathday Party to introduce Moaning Myrtle or the Headless
> Hunt.
>
> Saitaina





From ShelaghC at aol.com  Sat Feb 23 17:14:19 2002
From: ShelaghC at aol.com (shelaghcol)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:14:19 -0000
Subject: Pre-order special at Suncoast on HP DVD
Message-ID: <a58ilb+ttbm@eGroups.com>

I just called Suncoast about pre-ordering the HP DVD set (due out in 
late May) and they've got a pretty good deal going.

The DVD (2 disk set) is supposed to retail at about $30, but anyone 
that pre-orders through them will get it for $20 so long as they put 
$5 down.

Shelagh
happy to share





From degroote at altavista.com  Sat Feb 23 21:02:55 2002
From: degroote at altavista.com (Vicky DeGroote)
Date: 23 Feb 2002 13:02:55 -0800
Subject: Pictures from movie 2?
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From: degroote at altavista.com (Vicky DeGroote)
Date: 23 Feb 2002 13:41:39 -0800
Subject: upcoming movies
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From ITZregina at hanson.net  Sat Feb 23 21:45:39 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:45:39 -0000
Subject: I uploaded pics (was Pictures from movie 2?)
In-Reply-To: <20020223210255.21780.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <a592i3+44ab@eGroups.com>

I uploaded some pics in the member photos that are clips from COS or 
actors on the set.

Gina




From ITZregina at hanson.net  Sat Feb 23 21:53:39 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:53:39 -0000
Subject: upcoming movies
In-Reply-To: <20020223214139.29587.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net>
Message-ID: <a59313+i024@eGroups.com>

I would really enjoy seeing the boggarts, but would they want to put 
a lot of time & money into these effects?  Maybe they would just make 
a couple of boggarts instead of the whole parade.

Gina




From norsecode at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 04:07:01 2002
From: norsecode at yahoo.com (Dawn)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:07:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Pre-order special at Suncoast on HP DVD
In-Reply-To: <a58ilb+ttbm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20020224040701.41393.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com>


--- shelaghcol <ShelaghC at aol.com> wrote:
> I just called Suncoast about pre-ordering the HP DVD
> set (due out in late May) and they've got a pretty
> good deal going.
> 
> The DVD (2 disk set) is supposed to retail at about
> $30, but anyone that pre-orders through them will
> get it for $20 so long as they put $5 down.

You can preorder it from Costco for only $17.49.
Plus, that price includes shipping and handling!

Costco: http://www.costco.com

Dawn

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From norsecode at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 24 04:10:23 2002
From: norsecode at yahoo.com (Dawn)
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:10:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Pre-order special at Suncoast on HP DVD
In-Reply-To: <20020224040701.41393.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020224041023.79422.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com>

> --- shelaghcol <ShelaghC at aol.com> wrote:
> > I just called Suncoast about pre-ordering the HP DVD
> > set (due out in late May) and they've got a pretty
> > good deal going.
> > 
> > The DVD (2 disk set) is supposed to retail at about
> > $30, but anyone that pre-orders through them will
> > get it for $20 so long as they put $5 down.
> 
> You can preorder it from Costco for only $17.49.
> Plus, that price includes shipping and handling!
> Costco: http://www.costco.com

Actually, I just found it even cheaper:
DeepDiscountDVD has it for $16.89.
Shipping is free, plus there's no tax.

http://deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemid=WBD022467

Dawn

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From nancyr at esatclear.ie  Sun Feb 24 18:15:06 2002
From: nancyr at esatclear.ie (RYANS)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:15:06 -0800
Subject: hagrid
Message-ID: <002001c1bd5f$30b81e00$598491c2@nancyr>

Can you clear up a little 'discussion' between my cousin and myself? Did Coltrane need padding to play Hagrid?
 thanks for any info!
     lazyscientist.


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From srae1971 at iglou.com  Sun Feb 24 17:02:38 2002
From: srae1971 at iglou.com (Shannon)
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:02:38 -0500
Subject: BAFTA Info
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20020224120238.00a7cba8@pop.iglou.com>

Ok, you all probably already know that the HP movie is nominated for a few
BAFTAs.  What I would like to know is whether the ceremony will be
broadcast in the United States.  The official BAFTA web site is useless, it
says that E Entertainment is supposed to be showing it but not when.  I can
find no listing for it in my local program guide.  Anyone have any ideas?
Surely they'll show it live if they're going to air it at all? My two
favorite movies of 2001 are up for awards and I'm a movie awards junkie
anyway...I really want to watch this!  Anyone?

Shannon




From ITZregina at hanson.net  Mon Feb 25 01:48:48 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:48:48 -0000
Subject: No BAFTA's for HP...
Message-ID: <a5c560+1u7k@eGroups.com>

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3754

I'm not really surprised, although I wish I could have been.




From ITZregina at hanson.net  Mon Feb 25 14:44:09 2002
From: ITZregina at hanson.net (River3_98)
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:44:09 -0000
Subject: Poll for HP BAFTA's
Message-ID: <a5dijp+tsr1@eGroups.com>

There is a poll at BCC entertainment page as to whether you think HP 
was snubbed at the BAFTA's.  It's curently running 37% yes to 62% no.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/default.stm

I would have liked it to have won at least ONE award.  It wasn't 
cinematic or deep enough I guess.  Just pure innocent entertainment.




From adhara_black at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 26 11:55:24 2002
From: adhara_black at yahoo.co.uk (adhara_black)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:55:24 -0000
Subject: Poll for HP BAFTA's
In-Reply-To: <a5dijp+tsr1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5ft3c+9qd3@eGroups.com>

Hi,
I think it WAS snubbed. Not sure why, but I suspect one of the 
reasons may be that it was regarded a children's film. HP probably 
was unlucky to be released in the same year as Lord of the Rings. 
And now I shall go and vote.
Thanks.
Adhara.
--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "River3_98" <ITZregina at h...> wrote:
> There is a poll at BCC entertainment page as to whether you think 
HP 
> was snubbed at the BAFTA's.  It's curently running 37% yes to 62% 
no.
> 
> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/default.stm
> 
> I would have liked it to have won at least ONE award.  It wasn't 
> cinematic or deep enough I guess.  Just pure innocent entertainment.




From john at walton.vu  Tue Feb 26 13:32:13 2002
From: john at walton.vu (John Walton)
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:32:13 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Poll for HP BAFTA's
In-Reply-To: <a5ft3c+9qd3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <B8A13EDD.B3A9%john@walton.vu>

adhara_black wrote:

> I think it WAS snubbed. Not sure why, but I suspect one of the
> reasons may be that it was regarded a children's film. HP probably
> was unlucky to be released in the same year as Lord of the Rings.
> And now I shall go and vote.

Alternatively, it could be for the reasons why *many* of our listmembers
have been disappointed with the film: slightly wooden acting, at times
laughable special effects (e.g. centaur), *awful* (IMO) screenplay which
took JKR's humor out and replaced it with Steve Kloves', and editing which
any first-year media studies student could have surpassed.

Compare this with, say, The Lord of the Rings, which I sat through (in my
first viewing of six) saying "this is so much BETTER than our movie".
Astounding effects, excellent acting, excellent screenplay (actually adding
humor into Tolkien and making brave cutting choices), editing which flowed,
and a generally better film.

I'd like to note at this point that I find the *book* version of LOTR
impenetrable and dull, compared with the exciting, spiriting-away nature of
HP. I just thought the HP movie wasn't that great.

--John

____________________________________________

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-"Yes, Mrs Braddock, I am drunk.?But you, Mrs Braddock, are ugly.
Tomorrow morning I, Winston Churchill, will be sober."

John Walton || john at walton.vu
____________________________________________





From saintbacchus at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 27 06:32:50 2002
From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:32:50 -0000
Subject: Poll for HP BAFTA's
In-Reply-To: <B8A13EDD.B3A9%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <a5huii+l4ju@eGroups.com>

--- John Walton <john at w...> wrote:

<<
Alternatively, it could be for the reasons why *many* of
our listmembers have been disappointed with the film:
slightly wooden acting, at times laughable special
effects (e.g. centaur), *awful* (IMO) screenplay which
took JKR's humor out and replaced it with Steve Kloves',
and editing which any first-year media studies student
could have surpassed.
>>

Don't forget the dreadful directing. IMO, that was the
worst part of the movie. But hey, let's be charitable:
Maybe Chris Columbus just forgot that it's possible to
move the camera once a scene has started.

The screenplay is the second biggest flaw. The two combined
just give this weird impression that you're not watching a 
movie...it's more like watching those PBS shows where
somebody reads a book while an artist illustrates key points.
(Did anybody else have to watch those in elementary school?)

On the other hand, I thought the acting was great; the
casting in particular was really impressive. It's like a
Who's Who in British Cinema! Some of the acting was a little
over-the-top, but I'm inclined to blame Columbus for that.

Overall, I think the main reason Harry Potter hasn't won
more awards is that 2001 was a really strong year for movies.
Several good ones got ubershafted; in all honesty, I would
have been unhappy if Harry Potter had won a bunch of awards
and movies like Mulholland Drive and The Royal Tennebaums
didn't. As it is, I'm merely upset that blatant Oscar-bait
like A Beautiful Mind beat out my favorites. It's not fair,
but it's understandable. -_-

--Anna




From adhara_black at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 27 11:35:45 2002
From: adhara_black at yahoo.co.uk (adhara_black)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:35:45 -0000
Subject: Poll for HP BAFTA's
In-Reply-To: <B8A13EDD.B3A9%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <a5igai+n5ci@eGroups.com>

John wrote:
Compare this with, say, The Lord of the Rings, which I sat through 
(in my first viewing of six) saying "this is so much BETTER than our 
movie".Astounding effects, excellent acting, excellent screenplay 
(actually adding humor into Tolkien and making brave cutting 
choices), editing which flowed, and a generally better film.

Hi!
First of all I want to say how endearing I find it to see John refer 
to HP as 'our film'. I think it sums up nicely how most fans of the 
HP books feel about it. It was supposed to be 'our' film, and sadly 
it meant we almost *had* to be disappointed. Film and the printed 
word are two different media after all, and it is impossible to make 
a film without losing some of the depth and intricacy of JKR's plot. 

I fully agree when he says LOtR is a better film. It is. It also took 
much longer to make and had a bigger budget. But I found the book 
impossible. It also seems to me that LOtR takes itself very serious 
indeed. My overall impression is that while JKR's books are for kids 
and adults alike, the HP film was cleared aimed at the younger fans. 
The LoTR film managed to impress everyone. 

Still, I would have liked to see BAFTA support HP, as it is so close 
to home. I'm a bit cynical about awards ceremonies. So I'm getting 
over my disappointment quickly.

Adhara.





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Feb 27 20:04:18 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (alhewison)
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:04:18 -0000
Subject: Poll for HP BAFTA's
In-Reply-To: <B8A13EDD.B3A9%john@walton.vu>
Message-ID: <a5je42+83i9@eGroups.com>


> adhara_black wrote:
> 
> > I think it WAS snubbed. Not sure why, but I suspect one of the
> > reasons may be that it was regarded a children's film. HP probably
> > was unlucky to be released in the same year as Lord of the Rings.
> > And now I shall go and vote.

John Walton <john at w...> wrote:
> Alternatively, it could be for the reasons why *many* of our list 
members
> have been disappointed with the film: slightly wooden acting, at 
times
> laughable special effects (e.g. centaur), *awful* (IMO) screenplay 
which
> took JKR's humor out and replaced it with Steve Kloves', and 
editing which
> any first-year media studies student could have surpassed.
> 
> Compare this with, say, The Lord of the Rings, which I sat through 
(in my
> first viewing of six) saying "this is so much BETTER than our 
movie".
> Astounding effects, excellent acting, excellent screenplay 
(actually adding
> humor into Tolkien and making brave cutting choices), editing which 
flowed,
> and a generally better film.
> 
> I'd like to note at this point that I find the *book* version of 
LOTR
> impenetrable and dull, compared with the exciting, spiriting-away 
nature of
> HP. I just thought the HP movie wasn't that great.
> 
> --John

Oh dear, I have to agree. Mind you, despite some obvious flaws in the 
film, I have still managed to replace my images of Harry et al with 
the actors in the film - and that's despite c. 10 readings of all the 
books.

The screen play was the thing that most annoyed me about the film. 
Harry was much more fiesty in the book, and  IMO it wasn't acting 
that made him seem wimpy. Many of his phrases were given to others 
(such as threatening to curse Dudley as Dudley wouldn't know he 
wasn't allowed to do magic).  I found it hard to accept the idea of 
Harry worrying out loud to Ron & Hermione about whether he would make 
a fool of himself playing quidditch. I suppose that was one of their 
few attempts to externalise Harry's thoughts - but that one didn't 
work for me. I did enjoy the film though, and let's face it, could 
the film have match our (well my) huge expectations.

I hope that they will allow Harry to be more confident in Cos - but I 
know I'll see it whatever!

Ali
 ___________________________________________
> 
> ____________________________________________




From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Thu Feb 28 21:41:59 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 28 Feb 2002 21:41:59 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1014932519.468.186.w109@yahoogroups.com>


Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Who should have directed the Harry 
Potter movie (or who should direct them 
in the future)? 

  o Steven Spielberg (E.T.) 
  o Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands) 
  o Jean-Pierre Jeunet (City of Lost Children) 
  o David Lynch (The Straight Story) 
  o Agnieszka Holland  (The Secret Garden) 
  o Put away the thumbscrews, Chris Columbus was fine! 
  o Other - please specify on the list 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/polls 

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks!