From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  1 00:14:08 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:14:08 -0000
Subject: Moaning Myrtle
In-Reply-To: <DAV75IIso0XTLskNCVK0000c868@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <apsh0h+qtf0@eGroups.com>

Steve Binch wrote:
> I was just thinking about the character/actor of Moaning Myrtle and 
how well
> she seamed to fit the role (after seeing the clip). Then it accured 
to me
> that in book 4 (I can't recall if she appears in book 3, I don't 
think she
> does) the young actor playing Myrtle will be about 3 years older. I 
wonder
> if they already shot the scene that she's in in GoF, or if they'll 
just drop
> her part and have Harry discover the singing egg on his own. Any 
thought? Or
> has anyone heard anything about this?

err... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say. Shirley 
Henderson is not a "young actor", she's in her mid-thirties, so the 
aging issue doesn't arise. I've not seen the clip in question (see my 
comments in another thread a couple of days ago) so I can't say 
whether she does a good job of playing a teenager. However, the fact 
that she fooled you seems to indicate that she's done a great job. :-)

The first conscious notice I took of her was a couple of months ago 
in a British movie called "Once Upon A Time In The Midlands" (which I 
notice from IMDb is due a *limited* release in the USA but not until 
the middle of next year! - go see it! A "chick flick" that guys will 
enjoy!) in which her character is perhaps a little younger than her 
own age. She's one side of a romantic triangle with Rhys Ifans and 
Robert Carlyle, and she has a daughter whose twelfth birthday is part 
of the plot (don't worry, all of that is established within the first 
couple of mins of the movie, so I've not spoiled anything). Her 
squeaky voice, small (and may I say, not particularly ... err... 
developed...) stature make it very easy for her to be able to play 
any age with the right makeup and lighting. 

Furthermore, she's already confirmed that she's signed up for any GoF 
movie (this month's Total Film magazine).

So all in all, I can only repeat: what's the point you're trying to 
make? :-)




From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  1 00:38:31 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Moaning Myrtle & the Age issue
In-Reply-To: <000601c28139$0b06a8e0$aba2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <20021101003831.31064.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Richelle Votaw <rvotaw at i-55.com> wrote:

> Well, considering Shirley Henderson (Moaning Myrtle) is
> 36 now, I doubt
> she'll look that much different at 39. :)  So it
> shouldn't be a problem if
> they're concerned with keeping the same actors.  Which in
> my opinion is very
> important.>>

And from the snippets I've seen Shirley is perfect as
Myrtle, just the way I pictured her when I read the books
(except for the voice but that's not that big a deal). 

Since she is so much older than the character she's playing
I really can't see why there's such a fuss abuot Emma,
Daniel, Rupert, & Tom being "too old" to continue in the
principal kids roles if they choose to do whatever movies
will be made in the future.

It seems to me that the fans have accepted them
wholeheartedly and will continue to do so, especailly sicne
they are in the same age range that the book characters are
and will be.

Barbara Sheridan
(who scared a little Halloween Harry this evening with her
Death Eater costume *evil chuckle*)


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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  1 01:42:15 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 01:42:15 -0000
Subject: Moaning Myrtle & the Age issue
In-Reply-To: <20021101003831.31064.qmail@web9605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <apsm5n+dbuh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:

> Barbara Sheridan
> (who scared a little Halloween Harry this evening with her
> Death Eater costume *evil chuckle*)
\


You were a death eater?! =:O  Hehehe.  What did your costume look 
like?  I only saw one Harry, and he wasn't impressed with my 
costume  *sigh*  ;)  He probably just thought I was a weird grown up.

Alora, who had a blast walking around the neighborhood, waving her 
wand




From marc.nguyen at greenheck.com  Fri Nov  1 14:12:37 2002
From: marc.nguyen at greenheck.com (Nguyen, Marc)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:12:37 -0600 
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Trailers and clips  - calling a halt
Message-ID: <61E2AF8C78F2D211B0B70008C7F921D50616AC34@orion2.greenops.com>

>No.  No, no, no.  In fact, the trailer gazing and clips are all the gazing
I
>get to do!  I don't actually go to movie theaters, so I'm living off of
>those until May, June, whenever the DVD comes out.  Anyway, one note about
>so many clips, my thoughts are that they really haven't showed us anything
>that major.  For example, we don't see the flying car actually hitting the
>whomping willow and "being whomped."  We don't see Harry being hit by the
>bludger, just before and after.  We don't see much at all of the spiders.
>We don't see much of the petrification of students.  We don't see anything
>in the chamber.  Anything at all.  I think that, in fact, the final chamber
>scene will be so dramatic that it's all that's needed to keep the suspense
>alive.  Just think, Christian Coulson, Daniel Radcliffe with a sword, and
>little Bonnie Wright.  Oh, yeah, and one really big basilisk.  Wow.

>Richelle


I'm in the middle...I like to catch the trailers when they are on TV, but I
don't want to know how they did all the scenes. I figured there is close to
3 hours of the movie, so there is a lot that we haven't seen yet. 

Richelle, why can't you see the movie inthe theater?

Marc
Long time lurker,first itme poster for the movie list...you guys are fun to
read

P.S those who live in europe, if you have access to euro coins, can you
email me off list? 



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Fri Nov  1 14:58:24 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:58:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Premiere webcast! / Re: Trailers and clips
Message-ID: <2546995.1036162704774.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

>From The Leaky Cauldron:

"Chamber of Secrets" premiere webcast

Coming Soon is reporting that Warner Bros. Online will present a live streaming 
webcast of the Chamber of Secrets premiere taking place on November 3 at 
London's Cineplex Odeon in Leicester Square.
Beginning at 2:30 p.m. London time (9:30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time) on 
November 3, websites HarryPotter.com and HarryPotter.co.uk will stream live 
coverage of the premiere, highlighting the red carpet arrivals of the cast, 
director Chris Columbus and producer David Heyman, as well as "Harry Potter" 
author J.K. Rowling. 

AOL users can link to the live webcast via AOL Keyword: Harry Potter. For those 
who cannot view the world premiere of Chamber of Secrets live, footage from the 
event will be available on demand at the two above sites and all of the 
international Harry Potter local sites.

And Marc writes:

> I'm in the middle...I like to catch the trailers when they are on TV, but I
> don't want to know how they did all the scenes. I figured there is close to
> 3 hours of the movie, so there is a lot that we haven't seen yet. 

You know, I thought about it last night. I've watched all of the clips.  That's 
a maximum  of 20 minutes, including trailers, since various stuff is repeated 
in clips and trailers.  At first I thought, wow, so much. Then I thought 
again.  That leaves 2 hours and 27 minutes yet unseen.  Wow.
 
> Richelle, why can't you see the movie inthe theater?

OT, I know, but I'll tack it on anyway.  Sorry. Mmm, rather complicated.  It 
involves religious beliefs (I know, makes no since to most people, as I have a 
VCR/DVD and watch movies).  I have no television, have never been to a movie 
theater.  I've never actually wanted to go until now, so I feel just a bit 
guilty!  But I suppose it's better to want to go and not go, still.  Anyway, 
even though all movies aren't "bad" as long as my pastor stands against movie 
theaters, I obey.  

Okay, back on topic now, wasn't the last premiere at night? Or do they just 
arrive really early? Boy, I'm going to have to sprint home from church and get 
online Sunday!  Eek!

Richelle

  ----------

>No.  No, no, no.  In fact, the trailer gazing and clips are all the gazing
I
>get to do!  I don't actually go to movie theaters, so I'm living off of
>those until May, June, whenever the DVD comes out.  Anyway, one note about
>so many clips, my thoughts are that they really haven't showed us anything
>that major.  For example, we don't see the flying car actually hitting the
>whomping willow and "being whomped."  We don't see Harry being hit by the
>bludger, just before and after.  We don't see much at all of the spiders.
>We don't see much of the petrification of students.  We don't see anything
>in the chamber.  Anything at all.  I think that, in fact, the final chamber
>scene will be so dramatic that it's all that's needed to keep the suspense
>alive.  Just think, Christian Coulson, Daniel Radcliffe with a sword, and
>little Bonnie Wright.  Oh, yeah, and one really big basilisk.  Wow.

>Richelle


I'm in the middle...I like to catch the trailers when they are on TV, but I
don't want to know how they did all the scenes. I figured there is close to
3 hours of the movie, so there is a lot that we haven't seen yet. 

Richelle, why can't you see the movie inthe theater?

Marc
Long time lurker,first itme poster for the movie list...you guys are fun to
read

P.S those who live in europe, if you have access to euro coins, can you
email me off list? 

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From drifty26 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  1 16:41:27 2002
From: drifty26 at hotmail.com (drifty_26)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:41:27 -0000
Subject: CoS Premieres?
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00b9be64c951c0@[212.56.33.12]>
Message-ID: <apuarn+l4pp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:
> I read November 3rd for the London premiere.

*kicks self for relying on the harrypotter.co.uk site for premiere 
dates*

Anyone else noticed that they're still labouring under the delusion 
that the premiere is 15th Nov? And I'm *quite* annoyed about it, 
having practically given up my firstborn child to get the 15th off 
work, and now it's all totally useless because *nothing* will get me 
off work on the 3rd. I'll concede that WB may be talking about 
general release, but in *my* world, 'premiere' means the first ever 
showing of a film. Still, we've all known for quite a while that the 
people at WB aren't the brightest crayons in the box, haven't we? 


Liz







From stevebinch at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  1 17:19:41 2002
From: stevebinch at hotmail.com (stevebinch)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:19:41 -0000
Subject: Moaning Myrtle
In-Reply-To: <apsh0h+qtf0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <apud3d+a07p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote in response 
to Steve B's ignorant comment/question reguarding Moaning Myrtle:

> err... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say. Shirley 
> Henderson is not a "young actor", she's in her mid-thirties, so the 
> aging issue doesn't arise. 

><snip>
> 
> Furthermore, she's already confirmed that she's signed up for any 
GoF 
> movie (this month's Total Film magazine).
> 
> So all in all, I can only repeat: what's the point you're trying to 
> make? :-)

I did not research Shirley Henderson and did not know she was mid-
thirties. I wasn't so much trying to make a point, as I was asking a 
question, which was answered quite well. Thankyou. I must say that 
she plays a dead teenager quite well.

-Steve B.






From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Fri Nov  1 18:35:55 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:35:55 -0000
Subject: Trailers and clips and dvd's
In-Reply-To: <2546995.1036162704774.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: <apuhib+c6g6@eGroups.com>

It's not what's left that matters or the amount of time that will
take.  It's the old saying i.e. the quality not the quantity of the
clips.  Show all the crucial bits, all the punchlines if you like, it
means you don't have to go to see the film.  

Feliciaq

Can you watch dvd's Richelle????


> And Marc writes:
> 
> > I'm in the middle...I like to catch the trailers when they are on
TV, but I
> > don't want to know how they did all the scenes. I figured there is
close to
> > 3 hours of the movie, so there is a lot that we haven't seen yet. 
> 
> You know, I thought about it last night. I've watched all of the
clips.  That's a maximum  of 20 minutes, including trailers, since
various stuff is repeated in clips and trailers.  At first I thought,
wow, so much. Then I thought again.  That leaves 2 hours and 27
minutes yet unseen.  Wow.





From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  1 21:52:02 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:52:02 +0000
Subject: CoS Calander
Message-ID: <F1871yEXUIEAOeIiGXi0000025c@hotmail.com>








Okay, so I got this day-by-day Calander from my friend yesterday...and even 
though I said I wasn't going to check out any more pictures or clips from 
the movie until it's been released, I just had to go through this Calander 
to see what was there...this is what I get for being self-righteous.

Now, this Calander has all those neat pictures from the movie, which I'm 
sure we've all seen.  But what really got me going is that there are also 
photos of some of the props used in CoS.  Examples?

Okay, on October 9, there is a picture of Wizard money...Galleons have a 
dragon stamped on them, Sickles have some sort of winged serpent (it looks 
like to me), and Knuts have what seems like a goat.

On April 25, there is a picture of the recipe for Polyjuice potion, as 
copied by Hermione from _Moste Potente Potions_...and you can see her little 
doodles and comments in the margins.

On Oct. 27, there is a close-up of the hilt of Godric Gryffindor's sword, 
and April 11, the tip of Lucius Malfoy's cane, which is a serpent's head, 
teeth bared, with blue gems for eyes.

Feb. 19: The bottle of Flesh-eating slug repellent which Hagrid buys at 
Knockturn Alley

The covers of Lockhart's books: Magical Me, Oct. 20; Guide to Household 
Pests, Nov.15/16; Lockhart's  _Travel Trilogy_ (Travels With Trolls, Voyages 
With Vampires and Wanderings With Werewolves), Sept. 6/7; Travels With 
Trolls (where Lockhart is on the cover looking very Indiana Jones-like) Jan. 
18/19

Then there's the wands!  Harry's, Nov 19; Ron's, mended with Spell-o-Tape 
and looking quite tawdry, June 24; Hermione's, which looks almost like it 
has a marble handle, May 7; Lockhart's, which is very swishy, Nov. 6; 
Snape's, which is the coolest by far, black with a really ornately carved 
handle, March 14; and Lucius Malfoy's, which actually looks metallic in the 
photo, Feb. 11.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you!

-Gail B.



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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Nov  2 15:56:14 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:56:14 -0000
Subject: CoS Calander and This Morning
In-Reply-To: <F1871yEXUIEAOeIiGXi0000025c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <aq0siu+nhcq@eGroups.com>

Thanks Gail for the calendar resume, I would very much like to know if
this clendar is readily available (I have not seen it in the UK yet,
is what I mean) I can't wait to see Snape's wand.......anguished
gnashing of fingernails by teeth......

Secondly, for those UK listers who can bear to watch the programme
This Morning, which recently features the lovely Hedwig and Fang, and
Leslie Philips a.k.a. The Sorting Hat, Daniel Radcliffe will be on
next Friday as what I assume is their usual 12.00 - 12.30 time slot.

Be warned though, the programme is of such toe curling and cringingely
awful quality I could hardly bear to watch.  My heart goes out to the
cast and crew for having to endure such inane and pointless people
interviewing them.  No wonder as GulPlum mentioned, Rupert Grint
looked bored to death when interviewed on Blue Peter, which sounded
just as bad.  

There was a nice quidditch clip on with Leslie Phillips though, it
really brought home to me how much the kids have grown up, nice to see
but a bit of a shock!

Felicia
off to recover from watching tv......



> Okay, so I got this day-by-day Calander from my friend
yesterday...and even 
> though I said I wasn't going to check out any more pictures or clips
from 
> the movie until it's been released, I just had to go through this
Calander 






From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Sat Nov  2 18:10:57 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1904 14:41:11 +0100
Subject: Assorted CoS matters
Message-ID: <v01540b0000176c488b64@[213.254.186.169]>

Well, I have only seen one trailer, via the Internet (where exactly are the
other trailers to be seen?)

I am in the UK at present, so haven't seen any of the TV appearances. I
missed Blue Peter (when was that announced on the list?) but taped 'This
Morning' Thursday and yesterday. Waste of time; total three tiny clips,
plus interviews with Fang, Hedwig and Errol, and a bit of Leslie Phillips
(the sorting hat). I'm so glad that someone else thought that this show was
appalling. I am not going to enjoy ploughing through the video next week to
find the DR bits!

I seem to remember that all of the TV stuff in Britain last year was done
in the few days prior to the official opening of the movie.

About the music; does anyone know whether the HP2 CD will include a CD-Rom
with a movie trailer, as in the soundtrack of HP1?

All this fuss in the press about DR and RG's growth spurts; I think that
it's just a case of the journalists' motto of 'good news is no news'.
There's no scandal about the movie, everyone says that the cast got along
very well, the kids aren't brats, etc. What is there for a self-respecting
press doom-merchant to say? None of them have acknowledged that Harry grows
in the books. None of them seems to have read GoF, in which the Harry who
is mooning over Cho Chang is certainly not the boy with the piping voice
whom we met in PS/SS. So in CoS, DR was 13,  playing a 12-year old. Next
year he will be 14 playing 13. Big deal.

Well, just one week to go before the preview showings. Tell me, am I the
only freak who has tickets for next Friday, Saturday AND Sunday?

Regards,
Nicholas





From jmmears at comcast.net  Sat Nov  2 18:36:31 2002
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 18:36:31 -0000
Subject: Assorted CoS matters
In-Reply-To: <v01540b0000176c488b64@[213.254.186.169]>
Message-ID: <aq15vf+g7id@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:


> 
> All this fuss in the press about DR and RG's growth spurts; I 
think that
> it's just a case of the journalists' motto of 'good news is no 
news'.
<snipage>
> None of them seems to have read GoF, in which the Harry who
> is mooning over Cho Chang is certainly not the boy with the piping 
voice
> whom we met in PS/SS. So in CoS, DR was 13,  playing a 12-year 
old. Next
> year he will be 14 playing 13. Big deal.


Me:
Actually, I've been very confused by the fuss over Daniel R.'s age 
thus far in the movies. IIRC he was 11 years old while shooting 
PS/SS, and celebrated his 12th birthday in July 2001 (after shooting 
was completed on the first movie).  So far, so good.  Shooting on 
CoS began within days of the opening of movie #1.  Daniel is still 
12 years old during the entire shooting schedule of CoS, which 
concluded sometime in the spring/early summer, correct?  He 
celebrated his 13th birthday this past July and shooting for PoA 
begins sometime in the late winter/early spring of 2003 which 
indicates to me that he will *still* be 13 years old for the 
majority (if not all) of the shooting schedule for PoA, since he 
will turn 14 in late July of that year.

Please tell me whether or not I have the chronology correct here.
So far, it seems that Daniel R. has been exactly the same age as 
Harry in each of the first 3 films, and has grown at the same rate 
as an average boy his age.  Now it's possible that he may be 15 
instead of 14 for the GoF movie, since we don't yet know when that 
one will be shot, but there is not a huge amount of difference 
between 14 and 15 year old boys who are often in the same school 
year class.

So where is the problem?

Jo Serenadust, who will be really embarrassed if she has her dates 
wrong, but doesn't think so




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Nov  2 20:15:12 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 20:15:12 -0000
Subject: Daniel's age was Re: Assorted CoS matters
In-Reply-To: <aq15vf+g7id@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq1bog+fvih@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "serenadust" <jmmears at c...> wrote:
> 

> Actually, I've been very confused by the fuss over Daniel R.'s age 
> thus far in the movies. IIRC he was 11 years old while shooting 
> PS/SS, and celebrated his 12th birthday in July 2001 (after 
shooting was completed on the first movie).  So far, so good.  
Shooting on CoS began within days of the opening of movie #1.  Daniel 
is still 12 years old during the entire shooting schedule of CoS, 
which concluded sometime in the spring/early summer, correct?  He 
> celebrated his 13th birthday this past July and shooting for PoA 
> begins sometime in the late winter/early spring of 2003 which 
> indicates to me that he will *still* be 13 years old for the 
> majority (if not all) of the shooting schedule for PoA, since he 
> will turn 14 in late July of that year.
> 
> Please tell me whether or not I have the chronology correct here.
> So far, it seems that Daniel R. has been exactly the same age as 
> Harry in each of the first 3 films, and has grown at the same rate 
> as an average boy his age.  Now it's possible that he may be 15 
> instead of 14 for the GoF movie, since we don't yet know when that 
> one will be shot, but there is not a huge amount of difference 
> between 14 and 15 year old boys who are often in the same school 
> year class.
> 
> So where is the problem?
> 
> Jo Serenadust, who will be really embarrassed if she has her dates 
> wrong, but doesn't think so


Jo, don't be embarassed. You are completely right.

I agree with everyone who believes that the press has to come up with 
something bad. Daniel is the right age, and even if the filming 
schedule slipped by a couple of years, I really can't see what the 
problems would be. IMO, if the kids still want to do the films, then 
they should do it, if Daniel can have blue eyes rather than green 
eyes, why can't he be slightly taller than the Harry we all imagine. 
Also, even if they got another actor, what would there be to stop him 
from having a sudden growing spurt and "getting too tall".


Ali, who is now really looking forward to the film in 6 days time 
(and counting!!)




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 22:13:44 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 22:13:44 -0000
Subject: CoS Calander and This Morning
In-Reply-To: <aq0siu+nhcq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq1imo+s47l@eGroups.com>

Felicia Rickmann wrote:
> Thanks Gail for the calendar resume, I would very much like to know 
if
> this clendar is readily available (I have not seen it in the UK yet,
> is what I mean) I can't wait to see Snape's wand.......anguished
> gnashing of fingernails by teeth......

I've seen a calendar which sounds suspiciously like the one Gail 
described (it was boxed and sealed, so I couldn't inspect the actual 
pages, but some of the pictures were on the back of the box). There 
are several "cult"/"sci-fi" shops here in Birmingham so "our" kind of 
market is well served. 

I've also seen at least three different wall calendars and although I 
won't be buying any for myself, I'll probably one of each for my 
sister and her family of Potterholics (her sons are 6 and 3). :-) 

> Secondly, for those UK listers who can bear to watch the programme
> This Morning, which recently features the lovely Hedwig and Fang, 
and
> Leslie Philips a.k.a. The Sorting Hat, Daniel Radcliffe will be on
> next Friday as what I assume is their usual 12.00 - 12.30 time slot.

Err... This Morning's usual time slot is 10.30-12.30 and guests can 
be slotted in at any time. The last couple of days were "special" 
because the show devoted the last half-hour on both Thursday and 
yesterday to Halloween/Harry Potter. I've just seen next week's TV 
schedules, and the last half-hour of Friday's show is not split off 
in the schedules the way it was this week. If you tune in/start 
recording at 12.00, you may well miss Daniel's slot. 

> Be warned though, the programme is of such toe curling and 
cringingely
> awful quality I could hardly bear to watch.  My heart goes out to 
the
> cast and crew for having to endure such inane and pointless people
> interviewing them.  

To be fair to the show's producers, they've had a tough time over the 
week as the main presenter (John Leslie) was sacked over allegations 
about him in the tabloid press (he wasn't sacked directly beause of 
the allegations, but because he refused to explain himself to his 
bosses; it is unclear whether criminal proceedings will be brought 
against him). His (temporary?) replacement, Philip Schofield, has 
interviewing experience only on kids' programmes and clearly has 
found the adjustment difficult.

> No wonder as GulPlum mentioned, Rupert Grint
> looked bored to death when interviewed on Blue Peter, which sounded
> just as bad.  

Again, I've been thinking about this: Rupert is just past Blue 
Peter's target age range (9-12), and his spot came towards the end of 
the (live) programme. He therefore probably spent a long time waiting 
around watching people doing things he'd consider quite silly (do I 
need to remind anyone that 14 year-old boys are very touchy about 
this kind of thing?) :-) and was more embarassed than bored. The 
questions he was asked were unsurprisingly shallow, so he wasn't 
really stretched. 

(BTW just to tie things together, John Leslie's big career break was 
Blue Peter...) 

Oh, and for those who may have missed the announcement on the Leaky 
Cauldron, the entire junior Weasley clan (Chris Rankin, the Phelps 
twins, Rupert and Bonnie Wright) were on another kids' show this 
morning, SM:TV. I was out, but recorded the lot. 

Felicia, if you thought This Morning was cringeworthy, SM:TV was 
utterly dire. OK, it's aimed at kids even younger than Blue Peter's 
audience (6-10) but I found it *so* patronising and the main 
presenter (who got the job on the strength of winning UK's Big 
Brother last year!) is a really irritating git. One of the segments 
had him pitted against Rupert in a quiz about CoS; the guy (in his 
mid-20s) is so abnormally thick that despite having been given all of 
last week to read the book, he'd not managed to finish it!

Even Bonnie Wright looked embarassed to be there! (Incidentally, I 
was a little susprised to learn that the twins aren't natural carrot-
heads: they're blond.)

I'm dreading next week: Daniel's the star attraction for the entire 
show! Set your VCR: 9.30-11.30 on ITV1 next Saturday!




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  2 23:53:28 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 23:53:28 -0000
Subject: Assorted CoS matters
In-Reply-To: <v01540b0000176c488b64@[213.254.186.169]>
Message-ID: <aq1oho+9q7m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:
> Well, I have only seen one trailer, via the Internet (where exactly 
are the
> other trailers to be seen?)

Various movie sites have posted them. If you don't do so already, I 
suggest you visit The Leaky Cauldron (http://www.the-leaky-
cauldron.org) at least once a day. TLC usually finds such material as 
soon as it's posted (if not before) and tells you where to find it.

> I am in the UK at present, so haven't seen any of the TV 
appearances. I
> missed Blue Peter (when was that announced on the list?) 

Looking back, it seems as if it never was. But it was mentioned on 
TLC, and people here are usually assumed to be  daily visitors. :-)

> I seem to remember that all of the TV stuff in Britain last year 
was done
> in the few days prior to the official opening of the movie.

That's the case with most movies, and is perfectly understandable. 
However, as this franchise is equally huge on both sides of the 
Atlantic and has simultaneous releases, last year (and this) the main 
cast are in the USA for the actual general release. As the UK movie 
industry doesn't make a big deal about first day audience figures 
(whilst in the USA they are seen as vitally important!), and all 
major movies get preview showings a week before going on general 
release (though not on the scale of HP, LOTR or Bond), advertising 
and interviews are generally scheduled around that time. Hence we can 
probably expect saturation media coverage in the UK next weekend 
rather than on the 15th. 

Perhaps one or two of the adults will appear on late night chat shows 
around the 15th, just to add the pressure (they stayed in the UK 
rather than going to America). I won't be surprised if Mark Williams, 
Jason Isaacs or Ken Branagh crop up on Parkinson or Jonathan Ross on 
the 15th or 16th (I've seen the guest lists for the 8th/9th and 
they're not HP-related). And of course we have the daytime chat shows 
like This Morning (DR already confirmed for the 8th), Gloria 
Hunniford or Richard & Judy.

AFAIK Alan Rickman is currently working on Broadway, so if he makes 
any appearances, it'll be on American TV (last year, he was on stage 
in the West End, hence no appearances and a rapid exit from the gala 
premiere). 
 
> About the music; does anyone know whether the HP2 CD will include a 
CD-Rom
> with a movie trailer, as in the soundtrack of HP1?

I've heard that it'll be an "enhanced" CD, but haven't heard 
what "enhancements" will be included. A trailer sounds like a 
distinct possibility.


> Well, just one week to go before the preview showings. Tell me, am 
I the
> only freak who has tickets for next Friday, Saturday AND Sunday?

No. I am considerably sadder, as I'm going twice on Friday and twice 
on Sunday. :-)

The only reason I don't have a ticket for Saturday is because I'll be 
working all day, although with any luck we'll finish early and all go 
together... :-)





From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 08:22:34 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:22:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel's age
In-Reply-To: <aq1bog+fvih@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021103082234.70518.qmail@web20804.mail.yahoo.com>

Jo wrote:
>>>>>Now it's possible that he may be 15 instead of 14
for the GoF movie, since we don't yet know when that
one will be shot, but there is not a huge amount of
difference between 14 and 15 year old boys who are
often in the same school year class.
So where is the problem?>>>>>

Now Me:
Precisely the question I've been asking all this time.
Let's keep in mind that all four of the primary
children in the cast -- Dan Radcliffe, Rupert Grint,
Emma Watson, and Tom Felton -- vary in ages by a year
or two, yet there is no noticable maturity difference
between them. 

Strangely, no one seems to be at all bothered by the
fact that Tom Felton, at fourteen, is, technically,
two years too old for the part of Draco. That's
probably because TWO YEARS ISN'T ENOUGH TO MAKE A
DIFFERENCE!!!! I mean, I don't watch Tom Felton and
Dan Radcliffe, who's two years younger, in the same
scene and think "Geez! They're *clearly* not the same
age! I'm having touble taking this scene seriously
because these two characters have been seriously age
miscast." 

Honestly, unless Dan or Rupert start sprouting
moustaches or losing their hair, I don't foresee the
disparity of a year or two -- or even three -- between
their real ages and the ages of their characters
disrupting my enjoyment of the movies.

And since when did Hollywood begin to get so
consciencious about age-honest casting? I think
someone on the list mentioned the movie "Grease" as an
example of wildly inaccuarate casting that worked out
quite successfully. 

Besides, can we say Tom Riddle? Why are the Potter
producers sweating out the age of their leads when
they cast a 24 year-old in the very pivotal role of 16
year-old TR? Not that I'm complaining, BTW -- am
**quite** looking forward to Christian Coulson's take
on the role *wink*. Still, if the producers trust us
to believe Coulson as Riddle, why wouldn't they trust
our loyalty to these young actors -- no matter how
much they age -- whom we've grown to love (or love to
hate) as Draco, Ron, Hermione, and Harry?

-Jessica



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From manda at qx.net  Sun Nov  3 17:07:45 2002
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:07:45 -0800
Subject: Assorted CoS matters
In-Reply-To: <1036326504.222.29606.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DC4E761.20710.15954E9@localhost>

"GulPlum" <plumeski at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> AFAIK Alan Rickman is currently working on Broadway, so if he makes
> any appearances, it'll be on American TV (last year, he was on stage
> in the West End, hence no appearances and a rapid exit from the gala
> premiere). 

Private Lives closed on September 1st (or thereabouts). Unless he has something else up his 
sleeve there's no reason why he can't go to the premiere.

My two cents on the issue of there being too many movie clips around: I considered the idea that 
watching all the trailers and the CountingDown clips might spoil my experience in the theater but 
decided that - for me - it'll do more good than harm. I've read the book. I know what's going to 
happen anyway. If I'm already familiar with some of the scenes by November 15th then I'll be able 
concentrate on the less obvious performances, the kind of stuff you only catch on repeated 
watchings of the DVD. In that way it might save me the temptation of seeing it in the theaters 
several times. ;-)

Manda
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From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 14:57:16 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (myphilosophy2001)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 14:57:16 -0000
Subject: E! News Daily Heads Up
Message-ID: <aq3dgc+i7pk@eGroups.com>

While I was sitting here trying to figure out what the hell could be 
going on with this foggy CoS Premiere Webcast, I caught the end of a 
commercial for tomorrow's (Monday Nov. 4) E! News Daily. I didn't 
hear all the wherefores and whys, but they're apparently airing an 
HP/CoS piece on tomorrow's episode. Logic leads one to assume it will 
be coverage of today's premiere in London. I certainly hope so, 
because this webcast leaves very much to be desired!

So, there you go: Tomorrow -- 6:30 pm (EDT) -- E! News Daily -- 
HARRY!!!

-Jess :)




From helevision at yahoo.com.au  Sun Nov  3 15:28:10 2002
From: helevision at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Helen=20M?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 02:28:10 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Leaky Cauldron...
Message-ID: <20021103152810.66929.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi guys,

Very sorry for the OT post, but I really want to know if anyone else is having problems accessing The Leaky Cauldron site. I've been trying for several days and every time I do I just get the "this page cannot be displayed" message.

There is nothing wrong with my connection; every single other site I visit is fine.

Please let me know, I'm having withdrawal symptoms cause it's the only site I make a point of visiting every time I'm online. 

Thanks in advance,

Helen 



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From mapleleaf_71 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  3 15:43:02 2002
From: mapleleaf_71 at hotmail.com (wildrosegirl76)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 15:43:02 -0000
Subject: OT Leaky Cauldron...
In-Reply-To: <20021103152810.66929.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aq3g66+d0cr@eGroups.com>

I think the address may have changed. I had the same problem for a 
few days. I started playing around with the address and once I added 
www to the front I was able to get the site again.

So try this address
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Helen M <helevision at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Very sorry for the OT post, but I really want to know if anyone 
else is having problems accessing The Leaky Cauldron site. I've been 
trying for several days and every time I do I just get the "this page 
cannot be displayed" message.





From itzregina at hanson.net  Sun Nov  3 16:06:19 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:06:19 -0000
Subject: Tom Felton taking a year off?
Message-ID: <aq3hhr+u7uq@eGroups.com>

In the issue of Nickelodeon Magazine:

Do you think acting will be your career?

"No, I don't.  My plan is to continue acting until I'm sixteen, then 
travel for a year, fishing with my brother." 

 He goes on to say he wants to go to fishery management college.  
Isn't Tom 15?  Aren't the movies being made back to back?  Jason 
Isaacs has said he will have more lines in movie 4 and also the 
screenplay is being written.  How could Tom take off a year?  And 
what is a "fishery"? 

Gina





From myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net  Sun Nov  3 16:31:46 2002
From: myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net (myrrh321)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 16:31:46 -0000
Subject: E! News Daily Heads Up +
In-Reply-To: <aq3dgc+i7pk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq3j1i+2euv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "myphilosophy2001" <myphilosophy2001 at y...> 
wrote:
> While I was sitting here trying to figure out what the hell could 
be 
> going on with this foggy CoS Premiere Webcast, I caught the end of 
a 
> commercial for tomorrow's (Monday Nov. 4) E! News Daily. I didn't 
> hear all the wherefores and whys, but they're apparently airing an 
> HP/CoS piece on tomorrow's episode. Logic leads one to assume it 
will 
> be coverage of today's premiere in London. I certainly hope so, 
> because this webcast leaves very much to be desired!
> 
> So, there you go: Tomorrow -- 6:30 pm (EDT) -- E! News Daily -- 
> HARRY!!!
> 
> -Jess :)



That's great news!  I never miss E!News Daily and I'll bet that all 
the other entertainment shows (ET,Extra!,Access Hollywood) will be 
showing something about the premiere tomorrow-*VCR alert*. 

And you are right about that webcast!  I had to keep changing my 
modem speed to get a good picture(I bumped it to 300k to get a good 
picture, then the sound would go out so I'd lower it to 100k-which 
gave a decent picture and great sound)--did any one with cable modem 
get an effortless picture and sound?

For those interested in the tech side of CoS- TechTV's Call for Help 
program will be showing how they did some of the special effects also 
on Monday.  They are live at 2pm est with rebrodcasts at 5pm and one 
other time before midnight, I think. TechTV is  a cable channel, so I 
guess if you are interested you'll have to find out if your cable 
provider carries it.

PS---Anybody in Philly Pa going to the movie on the 15th-17th-contact 
me offlist, please?

DeNece-feeling like the only Harry Potter fan in Philadelphia :-(





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 17:21:42 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 17:21:42 -0000
Subject: Tom Felton taking a year off?
In-Reply-To: <aq3hhr+u7uq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq3lv6+gl5l@eGroups.com>

Regina wrote:
> In the issue of Nickelodeon Magazine:
> 
> Do you think acting will be your career?
> 
> "No, I don't.  My plan is to continue acting until I'm sixteen, 
then 
> travel for a year, fishing with my brother." 
> 
>  He goes on to say he wants to go to fishery management college.  
> Isn't Tom 15?  

He is now. :-) (IMDb has his birthday as 22 September 1987). I think 
I know what you're getting at: presumably he'd say "until next year" 
rather than "until I'm 16"?

I suspect that most of the interviews were done during the summer, at 
which stage he would have naturally referred to being 16 rather 
than "next year", as he still thought of himself as being 14.

Please note that cumpulsory education in Britain ends at 16 with 
GCSEs. Those who wish to go on to university need to stay on for 
another couple of years and do A Levels at 18. Tom's statements 
therefore make perfect sense.

Please also note that "college" is one of those words with a slightly 
different meaning in British and American usage. As I understand it, 
in normal US usage, "college" is to all practical intents and 
purposes a synonym for "university". In normal British usage (though 
admittedly there are exceptions), colleges are vocational, or "trade" 
schools, which offer hands-on training in a given field rather than 
academic study, although many (if not all) Colleges nowadays also 
offer academic graduate courses leading to BAs, MAs and MBAs.

The Fishery college Tom describes sounds like just such a place. 
Here's what one in Scotland, which may or may not be the one Tom has 
in mind, has to offer: http://www.nafc.ac.uk/courses.htm

> How could Tom take off a year?  And what is a "fishery"? 

Easy. He finishes school at 16, as is his right, then goes off with 
his brother, and then enrols at college. It's more common for "gay 
years" to be taken between A Levels and unversity rather than between 
GCSEs and college, but it's by no means unusual. 

Fisheries are places where fish are reared. I'd have thought it was 
pretty self-explanatory. :-) With this being an island country, what 
lives in the water is pretty important to our economy (not to mention 
diet). The link above has lots of interesting information about what 
they do.

> Aren't the movies being made back to back?  

That's a rumour started by IMDb without any apparent support from the 
production team. The official line is that Heyman, Columbus & Co 
haven't even started thinking about GoF other than setting Kloves to 
work on the screenplay. In an ideal world, GoF will go into 
production towards the end of 2004 (personally, I can't decide 
whether or not I like the idea of its being made into two movies)with 
a release towards the end of 2005.

*HOWEVER*, Dan will be 15 in summer 2004 and embarking on the first 
year of his own GCSEs that September (most GCSEs have a major element 
of "continuous assessment" over two years) and judging by his 
parents' attitude (and, seemingly, his own now), they are going to 
have to prioritise, and choose between his education and his film 
career. 

Yes, he's done well with his on-set tutoring, but this is slightly 
different. I very strongly suspect that this is what Columbus had in 
mind with his cryptic "If I were a betting man" spiel. The production 
team thus will also have to prioritise, and decide whether to launch 
into making GoF with a new leading man (not fogetting that if Tom's 
decision to bow out of acting next year comes to fruition, Draco will 
also need to be re-cast, although he doesn't have much of a role in 
GoF and wouldn't be needed much), or to wait until summer 2005 and 
continue with Dan. (Under British law, during the summer holidays, 
kids from 15 can work all the hours they want.)

All in all, I consider it *exceptionally* unlikely that GoF will be 
made immediately upon completion of PoA.







From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 18:19:58 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Multiple Viewings (Was: Re: Assorted CoS matters)
In-Reply-To: <3DC4E761.20710.15954E9@localhost>
Message-ID: <20021103181958.92978.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Amanda Pressnell <manda at qx.net> wrote:
> My two cents on the issue of there being too many movie clips around: I
> considered the idea that 
> watching all the trailers and the CountingDown clips might spoil my
> experience in the theater but 
> decided that - for me - it'll do more good than harm. I've read the
> book. I know what's going to 
> happen anyway. If I'm already familiar with some of the scenes by
> November 15th then I'll be able 
> concentrate on the less obvious performances, the kind of stuff you only
> catch on repeated 
> watchings of the DVD. In that way it might save me the temptation of
> seeing it in the theaters 
> several times. ;-)

No, don't avoid the temptation! ;)  There's nothing like the magic of the
big screen, the full cinema sound system, the excitement of everyone else
in the theater with you...*shivers*  I must admit, I already have my
tickets for Opening Day...for three showings, just like last year!  I'll
be going on my own for the very first show (although if anyone's in
Chicago and wants to meet up, let me know!), with one friend for an
afternoon show, and then late in the evening with another friend who's
coming into town especially for that reason.  It'll be a long time before
the movie comes to DVD, so I plan on getting as much HP immersion as
possible!

I really don't think the clips and trailers are going to ruin things for
me, though I'm not going out of my way to download trailers and the like. 
As you said, we already know what's going to happen.  It's just making me
all the more anxious to see it by seeing all these clips!



Andrea, who would sign this "the Obsessed", but that isn't much of an
identifier in this group.... ;)


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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sun Nov  3 19:08:09 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:08:09 -0000
Subject: Dan stopping after PoA? was Re: Tom Felton taking a year off?
In-Reply-To: <aq3lv6+gl5l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq3s6p+8p1k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> 
> *HOWEVER*, Dan will be 15 in summer 2004 and embarking on the first 
> year of his own GCSEs that September (most GCSEs have a major 
element of "continuous assessment" over two years) and judging by his 
> parents' attitude (and, seemingly, his own now), they are going to 
> have to prioritise, and choose between his education and his film 
> career. 
> 
> Yes, he's done well with his on-set tutoring, but this is slightly 
> different. I very strongly suspect that this is what Columbus had 
in  mind with his cryptic "If I were a betting man" spiel. The 
production  team thus will also have to prioritise, and decide 
whether to launch  into making GoF with a new leading man (not 
fogetting that if Tom's  decision to bow out of acting next year 
comes to fruition, Draco will  also need to be re-cast, although he 
doesn't have much of a role in  GoF and wouldn't be needed much), or 
to wait until summer 2005 and  continue with Dan. (Under British law, 
during the summer holidays,  kids from 15 can work all the hours they 
want.)
> 
> All in all, I consider it *exceptionally* unlikely that GoF will be 
> made immediately upon completion of PoA.

Following from this, I noted that the "interviewer/commentator" 
during the premiere on Sky News said that they had heard that Rupert 
and Emma were going to carry on, but there was doubt over Dan. As a 
caveat, IMHO, she was one of the worst "interviewers" I've seen - 
which after Blue Peter and This Morning is really saying something. I 
think she called the actor playing "Crabbe", Harry's cousin! Anyhow, 
whilst I don't *think* I can put too much weight behind what she 
said, it did interest me that she said it at all. 

Education is undoubtedly a big issue for the Radcliffe's and I'm sure 
that they'll be looking at the possibilities for their son's future 
knowing the difficulties of escaping being type-cast, or indeed being 
cast at all as Dan gets older. I think education is also a big issue 
for Emma's family as I've heard her say a few times that she's got 
important exams this year - which can only be the Common Entrance 
Exam, I think.

BTW, I watched both the Sky News and the webcast for the premiere. 
Despite the fact that my picture of the webcast was only about an 
inch across, it was still better watching that than the cringe-making 
commentatory on Sky.

Ali the addict!






From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov  3 19:59:01 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:59:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Trailers and clips and dvd's/ CoS calendars
References: <apuhib+c6g6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <024501c28373$7a1b91a0$179ccdd1@istu757>

Felicia writes:


> It's not what's left that matters or the amount of time that will
> take.  It's the old saying i.e. the quality not the quantity of the
> clips.  Show all the crucial bits, all the punchlines if you like, it
> means you don't have to go to see the film.

But have they really showed the crucial bits?  If I were able to choose any
film clip, and could choose it from anyplace in the film, I don't think any
of the ones they have shown would be in my top ten.  I'd choose, in this
order (assuming they are in the movie):

1) Harry killing the basilisk
2) Fawkes healing Harry
2) Fawkes attacking the basilisk
3) The bludger hitting Harry, Harry catching the snitch
4) Ron's wand backfiring on Lockhart
5) Hagrid bursting into Dumbledore's office with dead roosters.
6) Harry destroying the diary
7) Harry seeing Tom Riddle's memories in the diary
8) How on earth Harry gets back in the flying car after falling out over the
train (okay,
    not even in the book, but who cares!)
9) Colin taking Harry's picture
10) Harry pulling the sword from the stone.  Err-hat, I mean.  :)

And I could go on and on, and still not get to the ones that have been
shown!  Except maybe the whomping willow that was shown on Oprah, that was
cool.

> Can you watch dvd's Richelle????

Yes.  Can we start the countdown to the DVD release yet?  Or do we have to
wait until the movie is actually in theaters? :)

Gail B. writes:

> Now, this Calander has all those neat pictures from the movie, which I'm
> sure we've all seen.  But what really got me going is that there are also
> photos of some of the props used in CoS.  Examples?

And don't forget the Basilisk's fang on Dec. 30th.  All blood smeared and
everything.  Looks all nasty you know, not so good for Harry.  But then you
turn the page to Dec. 31st and see who the last one standing was! :)

I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that I now have all of the calendars.  Full
size wall calendar, mini wall calendar, cube calendar, engagement calendar,
and daily calendar.  Two actually, of the daily calendar.  Yes, they're the
same.  Yes, I knew that.  One for home, one for work, you see. :)  Pathetic,
aren't I?  The engagement calendar is really nice, by the way.  Looks a lot
more "grown up" than the regular Hogwarts thing.  Which I have as well, of
course. :)

Richelle

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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov  3 20:11:32 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:11:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Assorted CoS matters
References: <aq15vf+g7id@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <025b01c28375$34e48900$179ccdd1@istu757>

Jo Serenadust writes:

> Please tell me whether or not I have the chronology correct here.
> So far, it seems that Daniel R. has been exactly the same age as
> Harry in each of the first 3 films, and has grown at the same rate
> as an average boy his age.  Now it's possible that he may be 15
> instead of 14 for the GoF movie, since we don't yet know when that
> one will be shot, but there is not a huge amount of difference
> between 14 and 15 year old boys who are often in the same school
> year class.
>
> So where is the problem?

I believe, personally, that the problem lies in ill informed media.  I very
much doubt any of these people who are writing this have actually read the
books.  They very possibly don't think about it long enough to realize that
Harry actually ages with the books, and if in fact Daniel had stayed tiny
and cute that would have been a bit of a problem.  Don't get me wrong, he's
still plenty cute.  Just, well, older and cute.  What really amazes me is
how the media keeps latching on to what Chris Columbus said about if he were
a betting man thinking the kids would do just the three, and Daniel saying
he'd wait and see after PoA is filmed about going further.  Which is nearly
exactly the same thing he said last year after SS/PS opened when they asked
him if he were doing the third.  He's taking it one thing at a time, he's
only 13, why should he have to rush these decisions in life?  Let him be a
little boy and enjoy what's going on.

As for schooling, David Heyman did say that Daniel had gotten into a school
that you have to do very well to get in and was doing very well in that
school.  If he continues to do well, I don't see it being a problem for him
to continue filming with the tutors intead of "regular" school.  In fact, I
was home schooled for most of my schooling (all but four years), by my
mother, and went on to college, did very well there, if I do say so myself
:)  Got a Bachelor's degree, Master's degree, didn't hurt me one bit.

Richelle







From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 21:38:39 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kelly broughton)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:38:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OT Leaky Cauldron...
In-Reply-To: <aq3g66+d0cr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021103213839.56197.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com>

--- wildrosegirl76 <mapleleaf_71 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think the address may have changed. I had the same problem for a 
> few days. I started playing around with the address and once I added 
> www to the front I was able to get the site again.
> 
> So try this address
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org


I myself was having problems for the longest time until I added an (/) to
the end of the url wildrose gave you. Amazing what a difference a little
bit of punctuation makes!

-kel

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Helen M <helevision at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi guys,
> > 
> > Very sorry for the OT post, but I really want to know if anyone 
> else is having problems accessing The Leaky Cauldron site. I've been 
> trying for several days and every time I do I just get the "this page 
> cannot be displayed" message.
> 
> 
> 


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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  3 22:53:14 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:53:14 -0000
Subject: Dan's schooling
In-Reply-To: <025b01c28375$34e48900$179ccdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aq49cq+n5d7@eGroups.com>

This is getting dangerously close to O.T. I'm not so sure where the 
limit is myself... :-)

Richelle Votaw wrote:

> As for schooling, David Heyman did say that Daniel had gotten into 
> a school that you have to do very well to get in and was doing very 
> well in that school.  If he continues to do well, I don't see it 
> being a problem for him to continue filming with the tutors intead 
> of "regular" school.  In fact, I was home schooled for most of my 
> schooling (all but four years), by my mother, and went on to 
> college, did very well there, if I do say so myself :)  Got a 
> Bachelor's degree, Master's degree, didn't hurt me one bit.

I'm not complaining about home schooling, and very much support the 
principle. In fact, so does British law, as the English education 
system is predicated on parents' right to educate their kids any way 
they wish. 

It's not a loophole, but entirely deliberate that the legal 
obligation is for children between the ages of 5 and 16 "to be 
educated", NOT for them "to go to school". Parents are perfectly 
entitled to withdraw their kids from any school (private or public) 
and send them to any other which will have them, or to educate their 
kids themselves or employ tutors, without the need for any 
bureaucratic steps whatsoever. All they need to, as a matter of 
courtesy, NOT of law, is inform any current school that their child 
isn't coming back.

It is down to local authorities to ensure that parents don't abuse 
the system, and the fact that they don't have enough staff to keep an 
eye on kids who are "taken out of the system" is perhaps one of the 
downsides, especially in cases where parents don't necessarily have 
their children's best interests at heart (regrettable, but 
increasingly common). 

All that said, if what I heard identifying Dan's new school is true 
(and I have little reason to doubt what I heard - I didn't come via 
the internet or the media), his parents are paying a LOT for him to 
be there, and indeed the school is very good and has very high 
admittance standards. If I was in their shoes and could see that he 
was doing so well with the on-set tutors, I'd forget about signing 
Dan up to an exclusive school and just employ the on-set tutors full-
time. Apart from anything else, it'd be cheaper. :-) Especially as 
Warners would probably pick up the bill for the months he spends on 
set...

Clearly Dan's parents consider his being at a *school* important, and 
I have a feeling that the fact that he's going to miss most, if not 
all, of the last term of his first year doesn't exactly fill them 
with pleasure. Missing most of his second year as well is probably 
more than they can accept. 

Changing the subject, I've just finished watching the premiere 
webcast - I got home earlier just in time for Hayman's & Columbus's 
speeches inside the cinema, so I missed all the glitz and glamour 
outside. Did anyone else make any speeches? The stream currently 
being provided doesn't include anything inside the auditorium. I was 
very impressed with the difference in Dan's attitude compared to last 
year, though - he no longer looked scared half to death, for 
starters. :-)





From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  3 23:24:15 2002
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 23:24:15 -0000
Subject: CoS calendars
In-Reply-To: <024501c28373$7a1b91a0$179ccdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aq4b6v+7770@eGroups.com>

Richelle wrote:
> The engagement calendar is really nice, by the way.  Looks a lot
> more "grown up" than the regular Hogwarts thing.  Which I have as
> well, of course. :)


I found that yesterday in Border's Bookstore and snatched it right up.
 It is so pretty with its blue suede-like cover.  Even the pictures
are some I haven't seen.  That one with dirty Harry and the sword is
wonderful.  *Sigh* I can't wait for this boy to grow-up so I can have
a proper full-blown crush on him without my friends calling me a
freak.  Well either that, or get actor!Lupin or actor!Black on the
screen so I can crush on them.  Somehow actor!James did nothing for
me.  Anyway...the engagement calendar is very nice.  I also like the
day-to-day calendar.  Got it yesterday at Target.

Happy days.  Happy days.


Melody





From jmmears at comcast.net  Mon Nov  4 01:52:33 2002
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:52:33 -0000
Subject: Cute Oprah/CoS related story
Message-ID: <aq4jt1+482r@eGroups.com>

I wasn't sure if this belongs on OT or here, but since it involves 
the CoS/Oprah show, this list seems to be the better match.

I taped the Oprah show on Tuesday, since my kids and I were too busy 
to watch it when broadcast.  I mentioned it to a friend of mine 
whose kids are also Harry fans and she asked to borrow the tape, 
since they had missed it. I'd planned on giving it to her next week 
when I normally see her, but since I was passing near her house 
yesterday, I just dropped it off then.

I just ran into her at the grocery store this afternoon and she told 
me that she and her family watched the tape on Saturday night.  They 
all went to church this morning, and when mass was over her 5 year 
old daughter said, "look mom, there's that boy from the show."  Sure 
enough, Maddy (or is it Matty?) was sitting there in his wheelchair 
next to his mom. Janet and her daughter went over to him and asked 
him if he was the boy on the Oprah Winfrey HP show, and he said he 
was and then HE BROUGHT OUT *THE WAND*! He let the kids hold it and 
was very sweet and the kids were thrilled to bits.
Small world, huh?

Jo Serenadust, slightly embarrassed to admit that I asked the 5 year 
old if I could touch the hand which held the wand (Even more 
embarrassed that I'm slightly jealous of a 5 year old girl)




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Nov  4 03:15:34 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:15:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan's schooling/ London Premiere
References: <aq49cq+n5d7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007201c283b0$72df1320$16a3cdd1@istu757>

GulPlum wrote:


> This is getting dangerously close to O.T. I'm not so sure where the
> limit is myself... :-)

Agreed, therefore I will tack it onto my comments regarding the London
Premiere. :)

> admittance standards. If I was in their shoes and could see that he
> was doing so well with the on-set tutors, I'd forget about signing
> Dan up to an exclusive school and just employ the on-set tutors full-
> time. Apart from anything else, it'd be cheaper. :-) Especially as
> Warners would probably pick up the bill for the months he spends on
> set...

Here is where I disagree.  For one thing, Daniel's parents are working very
hard to give him a "normal" life.  As normal as possible while being
possibly the most recognized 13 year old on the planet.  Going to a real
school with real students is part of that.  Sitting at home hours a day with
private tutors is not remotely "normal" for a thirteen year old boy.  As for
the expense involved, I really don't think that's an issue.   :)  Even if it
was, when I was in seventh grade my parents paid a lot of money for me to go
to a particular school, knowing I would only be there for the one year and
then go merrily back to home schooling.  And obviously Daniel has to go to
an exclusive school, can't very well stick him any old place to put up with
who knows what.

Now, on to other things, the London Premiere.

GulPlum wrote:

> Changing the subject, I've just finished watching the premiere
> webcast - I got home earlier just in time for Hayman's & Columbus's
> speeches inside the cinema, so I missed all the glitz and glamour
> outside. Did anyone else make any speeches? The stream currently
> being provided doesn't include anything inside the auditorium. I was

I watched most of what's on the HP website, I love that they talked to the
"lesser" stars, like those who play Dudley, Seamus and so on.  I must've not
seen it all (ran out of time!) as I never did see them talk to Rupert.  And
I'm sure they did.

> very impressed with the difference in Dan's attitude compared to last
> year, though - he no longer looked scared half to death, for
> starters. :-)

I must say, Daniel is getting much better at this.  Even from a couple of
weeks ago.  For example, on TRL he looked, to quote my aunt, like he was
about to jump out of his skin.  Then on Oprah he was better.  Still nervous,
obviously, but cute nervous, not so nervous you're worried about him!  Then
at the London premiere he was, once again, nervous, but as he said, excited
nervous.  Not scared nervous.  I must say, the pen comment was too cute.
Worrying about taking someone's pen.  :)

Richelle






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 03:57:21 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 03:57:21 -0000
Subject: Dan's schooling/ London Premiere
In-Reply-To: <007201c283b0$72df1320$16a3cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aq4r71+l1j3@eGroups.com>

Richelle wrote:

<snip>

> Here is where I disagree.  For one thing, Daniel's parents are 
working very
> hard to give him a "normal" life.  As normal as possible while being
> possibly the most recognized 13 year old on the planet.  Going to a 
real
> school with real students is part of that.  Sitting at home hours a 
day with
> private tutors is not remotely "normal" for a thirteen year old 
boy.  

I agree entirely, 100%. Hence my comment that they would prefer him 
to go to school rather than be tutored at home. The thing is, though, 
that spending only half of the year at school is hardly "normal", is 
it? :-) 

If PoA goes into production in Feb/March (I would expect them to 
delay getting Dan involved on a full-time basis until after the 
Easter break in mid-March) and repeats the previous movies' Main Unit 
schedule of about 8 months, he won't get back to school until after 
Christmas. That's two school years already interrupted (2002/2003 and 
2003/2004), plus he'll be needed towards the end of production in 
2005, which will again eat into his school life. Simply put, I don't 
see his parents agreeing to the same thing happening again for his 
next school year, which is going to be a very important one. 

> As for
> the expense involved, I really don't think that's an issue.   :)  

Oh, indeed. :-) His parents are far from poor (though you wouldn't 
know it from the appearance of their house, which by a series of 
strange coincidences, I had identified to me, and had to walk past 
several times a week last year) :-) but they'd still not consider 
paying for a private school which he doesn't attend to be entirely 
rational. :-) 

> Now, on to other things, the London Premiere.

> I watched most of what's on the HP website, I love that they talked 
to the
> "lesser" stars, like those who play Dudley, Seamus and so on.  I 
must've not
> seen it all (ran out of time!) as I never did see them talk to 
Rupert.  And
> I'm sure they did.

He was particularly unimpressive. Actually, Rupert makes a very poor 
interviewee - having been asked *exactly* the same questions so many 
times, he's got his answers down pat. Unlike Dan, he doesn't pretend 
as if the interviewer has just asked something very deep, original 
and inspired, and just gives his (mainly monosyllabic) answers in a 
bored monotone. He does his utmost to bring up the issue of slugs, 
though. :-)

The best interview was with Tom Felton, whom I did not recognise *at 
all*. He's had the time for his natural hair colour to come through 
and has cut it quite short. He also seemed a lot more at ease than he 
did last year. 

> I must say, the pen comment was too cute.
> Worrying about taking someone's pen.  :)

Which I think sums Daniel up as a person quite well, actually. I am 
extremely jealous of him. Not the fame, money or adulation, and not 
even the talent (which I remain to be convinced is actually there!) 
but the fact that despite all the hoop-la, he has remained, for want 
of a better word, a "good boy". And despite everything, that he 
continues to treat this experience as "just a bit of fun", which is 
*exactly* the way a kid his age should treat it.

Incidentally, one thing I found particularly surprising was the lack 
of A-list celebs attending the event. And where on earth was Jonathan 
Ross (who, for non-Brits, apart from being the BBC's resident film 
critic, has several other TV and radio shows, not to mention a family 
of his own who are all Potterholics)? I'll never forget the PS/SS 
interview he did with Dan for his film show, during which it wasn't 
quite clear who was more star-struck (and ended with Dan saying "it 
was very nice to meet you"). :-)






From myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net  Mon Nov  4 04:26:09 2002
From: myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net (myrrh321)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 04:26:09 -0000
Subject: WB HP extra on Nov.8
Message-ID: <aq4st1+4g5q@eGroups.com>

Watching the Gilmore Girls(?) on WB tonight, I saw a commercial for 
their Friday lineup that said they will be showing an entire scene 
from CoS during the Friday night lineup.  

They didn't say during which show this would happen (to get you to 
watch that lineup o'course!).  But the block of shows is two hours 
long and begins at 8pm on the East Coast. 

 An entire scene...I wonder which one it will be?


DeNece






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 06:48:08 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 06:48:08 -0000
Subject: Premiere Webcast Still Available or did you know that?
Message-ID: <aq5578+jsah@eGroups.com>

Maybe I should have caught up on all the messages before I posted
this, but I thought I would point out to those who don't know; the
webcast is still available on the Warner's site. I just watch it from
beginning to end about an hour ago. 

http://promo.warnerbros.com/premieres/hpotter_cos/vod.html

Dispite the fact that it is pre-recorded, the video stream can get a
little shakey. I used Windows Media Player and for some reason it
doesn't buffer the way it would a normal video, so trying to rewind
takes forever, because it has to start the video stream again then
find the part you're tyring to review. 

I think it's oven an hour long. It was hard to tell because I kept
trying to restart it and get a better connection.

Sorry, if this is old news.

bboy_mn




From stella713 at yahoo.de  Mon Nov  4 14:11:43 2002
From: stella713 at yahoo.de (stella713)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:11:43 -0000
Subject: Premiere Picture
Message-ID: <aq5v6v+9b3u@eGroups.com>

Having just seen the very cute picture of Alan Rickman and Rupert
Grint at the London premiere of COS I was wondering if anybody has a
picture of Alan Rickman and Daniel Radcliffe together ....
Cheers Asta,
who has to wait another two weeks before COS comes to Germany ---sigh




From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 16:59:47 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:59:47 -0000
Subject: WB HP extra on Nov.8
In-Reply-To: <aq4st1+4g5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq6923+slo7@eGroups.com>

De Nece posted:

> Watching the Gilmore Girls(?) on WB tonight, I saw a commercial for 
> their Friday lineup that said they will be showing an entire scene 
> from CoS during the Friday night lineup.  
 
Fyre Wood (me) replies:
I saw this commercial too on Friday, and from what my understanding 
is, that it's between the 9-10pm hour. My guess is that it'll be 
around 930pm.


DeNece also posted:
>>>>  An entire scene...I wonder which one it will be?


Fyre Wood (me) Replies:
Being the rabbid Draco/Harry shipper I am, I'm hoping that it's the 
infamous Dueling Club. The Oprah show already showed most of it, so 
why not show the rest of it? (that's a lot of show!)

I would also maybe like to see anything else dealing with Malfoy now 
that I think about it. The meeting in the Diagon Alley shop might be 
nice.... I'm definately taping it =)

--Fyre Wood, who realizes that it's a VERY long 11 days until the 
movie.




From primroseburrows at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 17:48:09 2002
From: primroseburrows at yahoo.com (Primrose Burrows)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 09:48:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Premiere Webcast Still Available or did you know that?
In-Reply-To: <aq5578+jsah@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021104174809.9836.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>


I got the picture, but couldn't get any volume.  
I checked my computer's sound and it's fine.  Any ideas?
~primrose
 Steve <bboy_mn at yahoo.com> wrote:Maybe I should have caught up on all the messages before I posted
this, but I thought I would point out to those who don't know; the
webcast is still available on the Warner's site. I just watch it from
beginning to end about an hour ago. 

http://promo.warnerbros.com/premieres/hpotter_cos/vod.html

Dispite the fact that it is pre-recorded, the video stream can get a
little shakey. I used Windows Media Player and for some reason it
doesn't buffer the way it would a normal video, so trying to rewind
takes forever, because it has to start the video stream again then
find the part you're tyring to review. 




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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 18:41:17 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:41:17 -0000
Subject: JKR on Book Five at CoS Premiere
Message-ID: <aq6f0d+r6gf@eGroups.com>

I probably shoulkd have posted this on the main list, but it *was* at 
the Premiere! :-)

The BBC Newsround site includes a short summary of Lizo Mzimba's 
conversation with JKR at the premiere, but there was more of it on 
today's TV show. Here's a transcript. The first two questions/answers 
are probably of most interest. :-)

LM: How close are you to finishing the fifth book?
JKR: Weeks, rather than days. Because I'm down here [London], I'm not 
working at the moment.

LM: How many chapters is it?
JKR: At the moment it's (slowly) 38. [looks a little guiltily at LM]

LM: 38?
JKR: Yes! Why d'you think it's taken so long?

LM: What kind of book is it? Is it dark, is it light? Tell me about 
the tone.
JKR: It IS dark. There's a bad death in it that I haven't enjoyed 
writing. But I'm really pleased with it so far. I just need to tweak 
it a little bit more and the publishers will have it.





From villa_maya at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 12:35:34 2002
From: villa_maya at yahoo.com (Maya Villa)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 04:35:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CoS Calander
In-Reply-To: <F1871yEXUIEAOeIiGXi0000025c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20021104123534.62133.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Gail Bohacek <gandharvika at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, so I got this day-by-day Calander from my
> friend yesterday...and even 
> though I said I wasn't going to check out any more
> pictures or clips from 
> the movie until it's been released, I just had to go
> through this Calander 
> to see what was there...this is what I get for being
> self-righteous.
>
> <snip>
> 
> -Gail B.


hi, just curious, where did your friend get the
calendar? thanks a bunch :)

-maya







From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 18:45:52 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:45:52 -0000
Subject: OT-- Strange email I'm getting from this club HELP ME!
Message-ID: <aq6f90+bg24@eGroups.com>

 Here's what I've been getting and I'm rather confused...

**********************
Date: 4 Nov 2002 18:43:23 -0000 
From: jamminjerry at madnessmansion.com | This is Spam | Add to Address 
Book 
To: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com 
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WB HP extra on Nov.8 
       
 


This account has been closed. 
*******************

Does this mean that my account is closed or the person receiving the 
message has a closed account? I'd thought I'd ask if anyone else has 
been receiving this.

I know it's off topic, but I'll add something else to keep it going 
about the movie...

TOM FELTON looks cute in the premiere photos =)

--Fyre Wood, who doesn't want this strange email in her inbox.





From crussell at arkansas.net  Mon Nov  4 19:08:50 2002
From: crussell at arkansas.net (bugaloo37)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:08:50 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin?
Message-ID: <aq6gk2+b846@eGroups.com>

This morning I was perusing the pictures of the London Premiere and 
noticed that among the celebrities present was Richard E. Grant.  For 
those unfamiliar with this actor let me fill you in:  I saw him most 
recently in a Sherlock Holmes based movie in which he played 
Sherlock's brother.  He was also in The Age of Innocence, Bram 
Stoker's Dracula and played the lead in A&E's The Scarlet Pimpernel.  
I do not know if anyone has ever mentioned this actor as a 
possibility for the part of Remus Lupin-but I believe he would do an 
excellent job.  He is British and is definitely showing interest in 
the HP series by attending the premiere.  I just thought I would cast 
my vote for Mr. Grant as Lupin!!

bugaloo37-who apologizes for not having pictures but you can find 
pictures of him on any of the websites who are currently showing 
London Premiere highlights-at least one of them I know.




From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 19:55:31 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:55:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dueling scene/Bookstore meeting
In-Reply-To: <aq6923+slo7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021104195531.59835.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>

I confess, I'm a "clip addict", I love watching them and am
dying to see how all these bits and pieces relate to the
whole products.

That said, I'm wondering if it's "me" or if anyone else has
gotten the impression that the dueling club Draco/Tom
Felton looks and sounds an awful lot "younger" than the
Draco in Flourish & Blotts just before Lucius appears and
spoils his fun.

I know they don't film movies in order of scenes but it
seems that quite a few months must have passed between
filming of those scenes.

Of course I had a nasty bump on the head recently so
perhaps my vision/perception is still a bit out of whack.


=====
Barbara Sheridan
  http://www.barbarasheridan.net

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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Nov  4 20:19:43 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:19:43 -0000
Subject: Book Five sneak peek
In-Reply-To: <aq6f0d+r6gf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq6kov+nsam@eGroups.com>

I'm glad you gave it to us first!  I missed seeing any of the premier
stuff alas, so it's nice to have some info for the HP starved, at
least until the film opens on 8/11 (Ok, well previews....)

BTW what do we do, those of us who see it earlier, do we rush home and
go gosh, gee, wow, on site or do we button our lips until 15th???

I am still happy not to have seen much of the extra clips posted on
line, especially as I only have four midnights to go until I see CoS
:-))  I hope to have my Jason Carter t-shirt by then to........

Felicia
off to build up her muscles for another large HP book......






From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov  4 20:21:54 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 20:21:54 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin?
In-Reply-To: <aq6gk2+b846@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq6kt2+h2g3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "bugaloo37" <crussell at a...> wrote:
> I do not know if anyone has ever mentioned this actor as a 
> possibility for the part of Remus Lupin-but I believe he would do 
an 
> excellent job.  He is British and is definitely showing interest in 
> the HP series by attending the premiere.  I just thought I would 
cast 
> my vote for Mr. Grant as Lupin!!
> 

Actually, I recently saw "The Scarlet Pimpernel" and I thought Grant 
might make a rather good Sirius.  He does the quiet passion and 
determination thing very well, has a good build for the part, and 
isn't too hard on the eyes either ;-)  He's also very versatile, 
though (he was Cratchit in the version of "Christmas Carol" with 
Patrick Stewart, if I remember correctly), so he could probably 
handle Lupin very well, too.

~Christi, who still likes Colin Firth for Sirius but keeps an open 
mind on these things...




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 21:10:17 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:10:17 -0000
Subject: What do we do?
In-Reply-To: <aq6kov+nsam@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq6nnp+b84a@eGroups.com>

Felicia Rickmann wrote:

> BTW what do we do, those of us who see it earlier, do we rush home 
and
> go gosh, gee, wow, on site or do we button our lips until 15th???

I was thinking about that earlier myself. From what I know about the 
regular posters here, we're quite a mixed bunch in geographic terms. 
Whilst it's unfair on us Brits not to be able to share our views for 
a week, it's equally unfair on the USians (and others) who won't be 
able to get involved for a week (or more). 

Perhaps the Mods can make an announcement about how we're going to 
deal with this? I would suggest that we simply agree to use a marker 
of some sort to distinguish posts by those who've already seen the 
movie and take it from there. Perhaps something like "SEEN COS"?






From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 21:18:07 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT-- Strange email I'm getting from this club HELP ME!
In-Reply-To: <aq6f90+bg24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021104211807.94544.qmail@web20803.mail.yahoo.com>

I've been getting the same thing, Fyre Wood! None of
my service has been at all affected, so I'm assuming
it has nothing to do me with, but it is awfully
disconcerting! Can't imagine what's causing it and I
have no idea who on earth "jamminjerry at madnessmansion.
com" is.

-Jess 

  
--- Fyre Wood <fyredriftwood at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Here's what I've been getting and I'm rather
> confused...
> 
> **********************
> Date: 4 Nov 2002 18:43:23 -0000 
> From: jamminjerry at madnessmansion.com | This is Spam
> | Add to Address 
> Book 
> To: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com 
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WB HP extra
> on Nov.8 
>        
>  
> 
> 
> This account has been closed. 
> *******************
> 
> Does this mean that my account is closed or the
> person receiving the 
> message has a closed account? I'd thought I'd ask if
> anyone else has 
> been receiving this.
> 
> I know it's off topic, but I'll add something else
> to keep it going 
> about the movie...
> 
> TOM FELTON looks cute in the premiere photos =)
> 
> --Fyre Wood, who doesn't want this strange email in
> her inbox.
> 
> 
> 


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From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 21:20:30 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:20:30 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin?
In-Reply-To: <aq6kt2+h2g3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq6oau+6de9@eGroups.com>

> Actually, I recently saw "The Scarlet Pimpernel" and I thought 
Grant 
> might make a rather good Sirius.  He does the quiet passion and 
> determination thing very well, has a good build for the part, and 
> isn't too hard on the eyes either ;-)  He's also very versatile, 
> though (he was Cratchit in the version of "Christmas Carol" with 
> Patrick Stewart, if I remember correctly), so he could probably 
> handle Lupin very well, too.
> 
I was one of the lucky devils who actually got seats in the 
Grandstand right opposite the entrance to the Odeon Leicester Square 
yesterday and saw Richard E Grant arrive ....... I shouted out to my 
13 year old that he would make a PERFECT Sirius Black..... he does 
the haunted bit brilliantly but has a superb "Twinkle" too!  I agree 
he's pretty good on the eye too!  Can you imagine Richard E Grant as 
Sirius and Ewan McGregor as Lupin?  They get my vote anyway.  Also 
saw Glenn Close there and thought she'd make a great Rita Skeeter for 
book 4 but some other fans reckon she'd be good for Trelawny.  Any 
votes?




From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 21:23:38 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:23:38 -0000
Subject: Dueling scene/Bookstore meeting
In-Reply-To: <20021104195531.59835.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aq6ogq+87o4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:
> I confess, I'm a "clip addict", I love watching them and am
> dying to see how all these bits and pieces relate to the
> whole products.
> 
> That said, I'm wondering if it's "me" or if anyone else has
> gotten the impression that the dueling club Draco/Tom
> Felton looks and sounds an awful lot "younger" than the
> Draco in Flourish & Blotts just before Lucius appears and
> spoils his fun.
> 
> I know they don't film movies in order of scenes but it
> seems that quite a few months must have passed between
> filming of those scenes.
> 
> Of course I had a nasty bump on the head recently so
> perhaps my vision/perception is still a bit out of whack.
> 
> 
> =====
I thought the same thing about Dan in the Ford Anglia on his way to 
Hogwarts and the bookstore scene (which is supposed to happen first) 
Dan looks a lot younger in the car than in the store!


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>   http://www.barbarasheridan.net
> 
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From ravenclaw775 at aol.com  Mon Nov  4 21:27:20 2002
From: ravenclaw775 at aol.com (ravenclaw775 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:27:20 EST
Subject: FYI Alan Rickman on Broadway
Message-ID: <ba.2f10ee91.2af84038@aol.com>

Alan's been off Broadway since the beginning of September. I believe PRIVATE 
LIVES closed here Sept. 1.  It was a great show - the only version of the 
play I could stand - although that might have had to do with the black silk 
pajamas as much as anything else!

Speaking of costumes, I've always noticed live theatre helps take a few 
pounds off any actor.  Alan looks GREAT in the previews for COS.  No more 
breasty Snape jokes in this movie...
--
Christine



From manda at qx.net  Tue Nov  5 01:03:05 2002
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:03:05 -0800
Subject: US talk show appearances/Aussie 2CD soundtrack
Message-ID: <3DC6A849.24167.175693C@localhost>

Some (or all) of these have already been mentioned, but I thought some might appreciate a 
consolidated list. All of these are from the Late Night TV Page 
(http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html).

Wednesday, November 13th
Daniel Radcliffe on Regis & Kelly
Rupert Grint on Leno

Friday, November 15th
Dan, Emma, and Rupert on The View


Also, they are again releasing an Australian version of the soundtrack with a bonus CD-Rom. 
The release date is November 18th. 

"ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SOUNDTRACK HARRY POTTER AND THE CHAMBER OF 
SECRETS will be available with five collectible covers and arrives in stores as a Special Edition 
2CD set. The first disc is all audio, the second disc contains the following multi media - 
exclusive screensaver, PC wallpaper, downloadable sheet music, website link and 2 film 
trailers."


Manda
--
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From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 01:31:54 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kelly broughton)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:31:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT-- Strange email I'm getting from this club HELP ME!
In-Reply-To: <aq6f90+bg24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021105013154.88387.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>

OT: I, too, received this, and was a bit confused.

On topic: Where did you all see the Felton and Rickman/Grint photos?

-kel

--- Fyre Wood <fyredriftwood at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Here's what I've been getting and I'm rather confused...
> 
> **********************
> Date: 4 Nov 2002 18:43:23 -0000 
> From: jamminjerry at madnessmansion.com | This is Spam | Add to Address 
> Book 
> To: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com 
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WB HP extra on Nov.8 
>        
>  
> 
> 
> This account has been closed. 
> *******************
> 
> Does this mean that my account is closed or the person receiving the 
> message has a closed account? I'd thought I'd ask if anyone else has 
> been receiving this.
> 
> I know it's off topic, but I'll add something else to keep it going 
> about the movie...
> 
> TOM FELTON looks cute in the premiere photos =)
> 
> --Fyre Wood, who doesn't want this strange email in her inbox.
> 
> 
> 


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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  5 02:13:12 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 02:13:12 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT-- Strange email I'm getting from this club HELP ME!
Message-ID: <F36nEWpgvwWQ1qAY3ok00006ce2@hotmail.com>

My Friend Fyre Wrote:

>  Here's what I've been getting and I'm rather confused...
>
>**********************
>Date: 4 Nov 2002 18:43:23 -0000
>From: jamminjerry at madnessmansion.com | This is Spam | Add to Address
>Book
>To: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WB HP extra on Nov.8
>
>
>
>
>This account has been closed.
>*******************
>
>Does this mean that my account is closed or the person receiving the
>message has a closed account? I'd thought I'd ask if anyone else has
>been receiving this.

>--Fyre Wood, who doesn't want this strange email in her inbox.


I dig you Fyre...I was getting it too.  You're not alone, though.   I have 
no idea *how* it happened, but if you e-mail the Mods they'll take care of 
it for you:  mods at hpfgu.org.uk

Cheers!

-Gail B.

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From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  5 02:22:07 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (Lani)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 02:22:07 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin?
In-Reply-To: <aq6oau+6de9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq7a0f+nhmf@eGroups.com>

> Can you imagine Richard E Grant as 
> Sirius and Ewan McGregor as Lupin?  They get my vote anyway.  Also 
> saw Glenn Close there and thought she'd make a great Rita Skeeter 
for 
> book 4 but some other fans reckon she'd be good for Trelawny.  Any 
> votes?


I've always thought of Richard E Grant as Sirius as well and my bro 
desperately wants Ewan as Lupin. You know, Colin Firth could be good 
as Lupin? I had also been thinking of Dougray Scott as either Sirius 
or Lupin, and Ben Chaplin as Lupin, but I'm undecided.

Now, re Glenn Close, wow! I never thought about who could be cast as 
that Skeeter woman or Trelawney. She's such a brilliant actor I'm 
sure she could easily do one or the other. I think, tho', I'd like 
to see her as Skeeter because that seems like so much more a larger 
than life character than Trelawney. Almost anyone could do the misty 
vague Trelawney.

skywings.




From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  5 02:28:26 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 02:28:26 -0000
Subject: Movie in Brisbane, Australia
Message-ID: <aq7aca+hdd3@eGroups.com>

Hey there, just wondering if there are any grown up HP fans in 
Brisbane who are dressing up for CoS to be released here in a few 
weeks.

skywings.




From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  5 02:48:16 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 02:48:16 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CoS Calendar
Message-ID: <F260b7f0P3AIj741xkf0000e42a@hotmail.com>

Maya Asked About My CoS Calendar:

>hi, just curious, where did your friend get the
>calendar? thanks a bunch :)

My friend is a manager at one of those places in the mall that sells only 
Christmas ornaments and calendars...

Anyway, I'm going to try and scan some of these pictures at my neighborhood 
Kinko's and post them here for all to see...I'm a computer dummy, so please 
be patient.

-Gail B.

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From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 03:12:58 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 03:12:58 -0000
Subject: Premiere Photos
In-Reply-To: <F36nEWpgvwWQ1qAY3ok00006ce2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <aq7cvq+ec8f@eGroups.com>

For those whom wanted to see the premiere photos, they can be found 
at www.rupertgrint.net

I also found some on the infamous Leaky Cauldron website (www.the-
leaky-cauldron.org). 

They all look so cute, but Malfoy actually doesn't look like Eminem!

--Fyre Wood, who continues to stare at Draco w/o the plastic hair




From jamminjerry at green-rings.net  Tue Nov  5 03:33:28 2002
From: jamminjerry at green-rings.net (JamminJerry)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:33:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Premiere Webcast Still Available or did you know that?
References: <20021104174809.9836.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101c2847c$1bf5cd20$dc0310ac@jamminjerry>

I had the same problem here as well, although, not even sure if the picture
even came up sense I can't see it at all!  I tried both real player, and
windows media. and neither worked.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Primrose Burrows" <primroseburrows at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Premiere Webcast Still Available or did you know
that?


>
> I got the picture, but couldn't get any volume.
> I checked my computer's sound and it's fine.  Any ideas?
> ~primrose
>  Steve <bboy_mn at yahoo.com> wrote:Maybe I should have caught up on all the
messages before I posted
> this, but I thought I would point out to those who don't know; the
> webcast is still available on the Warner's site. I just watch it from
> beginning to end about an hour ago.
>
> http://promo.warnerbros.com/premieres/hpotter_cos/vod.html
>
> Dispite the fact that it is pre-recorded, the video stream can get a
> little shakey. I used Windows Media Player and for some reason it
> doesn't buffer the way it would a normal video, so trying to rewind
> takes forever, because it has to start the video stream again then
> find the part you're tyring to review.
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material
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>
> Is your message...
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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Nov  5 03:41:07 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:41:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's schooling/ London Premiere/ What do we do?
References: <aq4r71+l1j3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <021501c2847d$2d6ea6c0$e89ccdd1@istu757>

GulPlum wrote:

> 2005, which will again eat into his school life. Simply put, I don't
> see his parents agreeing to the same thing happening again for his
> next school year, which is going to be a very important one.

Personally, I think that as long as Daniel is happy doing it, they will let
him continue, if that is what he really wants.  The second it becomes less
than enjoyable to him, they would do well to encourage him to let it go.

> He was particularly unimpressive. Actually, Rupert makes a very poor
> interviewee - having been asked *exactly* the same questions so many
> times, he's got his answers down pat. Unlike Dan, he doesn't pretend
> as if the interviewer has just asked something very deep, original
> and inspired, and just gives his (mainly monosyllabic) answers in a
> bored monotone. He does his utmost to bring up the issue of slugs,
> though. :-)

Ah, gotta love Rupert and those slugs.  I don't know what it is about
Rupert, but I just find him so likeable.  He's such a, well, boy.  He
doesn't even bother trying to hide it when he gets bored with something.
Which is a refreshing quality.  For now.  As for those slugs, well, I guess
that's the only thing that is "his."  Everything else was shared with Harry.
Err, Daniel.  And did anyone notice that Rupert was asked at least three
times just on Oprah (combined with After the Show) if he was really scared
of spiders?  YES, for the thousandth time!

> Which I think sums Daniel up as a person quite well, actually. I am
> extremely jealous of him. Not the fame, money or adulation, and not
> even the talent (which I remain to be convinced is actually there!)
> but the fact that despite all the hoop-la, he has remained, for want
> of a better word, a "good boy". And despite everything, that he
> continues to treat this experience as "just a bit of fun", which is
> *exactly* the way a kid his age should treat it.

Which is all, for lack of a better word, *adorable*.  I know, I use that
word a lot.  I was torturing my best friend today (otherwise known as
allowing her the immense priviledge of looking at pictures of the London
premiere) during our P.E./library break.  She very sweetly commented on all
the pictures, and I thought her comment on Daniel was appropriate.  "He's a
star."  He doesn't have to try to look posed, he doesn't come out making
silly faces, (not that anyone does, of course!) he just looks, well, like a
star.

GulPlum again:

> Perhaps the Mods can make an announcement about how we're going to
> deal with this? I would suggest that we simply agree to use a marker
> of some sort to distinguish posts by those who've already seen the
> movie and take it from there. Perhaps something like "SEEN COS"?

Putting "spoiler" in the title or something would work.  PLEASE don't
hestitate to post about the movie, I'm dying to hear all about it.
Everything.  Every tiny detail.

Richelle

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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 04:00:49 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:00:49 -0000
Subject: Premiere Webcast Still Available or did you know that?
In-Reply-To: <002101c2847c$1bf5cd20$dc0310ac@jamminjerry>
Message-ID: <aq7fph+dn7q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "JamminJerry" <jamminjerry at g...> wrote:
> I had the same problem here as well, although, not even sure if the
picture
> even came up sense I can't see it at all!  I tried both real player, and
> windows media. and neither worked.
> 
> 

> >
> > http://promo.warnerbros.com/premieres/hpotter_cos/vod.html
> >

Windows Media Player is dead in the water. An internal error message,
internal to the Player, says the files can't be found.

But I can get RealPlayer working at all three speed. Picture quality
sucks though.

bboy_mn @ 10:00PM CST




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 04:23:50 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:23:50 -0000
Subject: HBO special
Message-ID: <aq7h4m+h1u6@eGroups.com>

Hi, all,

the HBO special aired tonight, and I made SURE I was home to record 
it!  Hehe. It was good, but not nearly long enough.  I did get to 
see the scene with Lockhart where he grabs Harry and tells him 
to "smile!  you and I are worth the front page"  part of the book.  
Mrs. Weasley was all a-flutter!  It was cute.  They did a quick 
interview with Jason Issacs and he was sooo good.  Inside that cane 
is his wand - I saw him pull it out and point it at something, so 
that was cool.  It was really good, I just wish it had been longer 
than 15 minutes.  Ah well, can't have it all!  Did anyone else get 
to see it?  I've only watched it once, so I may be forgetting 
something good...

Alora




From kesa101 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 04:28:42 2002
From: kesa101 at yahoo.com (kesa101)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:28:42 -0000
Subject: HBO special
In-Reply-To: <aq7h4m+h1u6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq7hdq+27uc@eGroups.com>


Hi Alora!

Do you have the HBO times for this special? My sister has HBO and 
we've been trying to locate the special but can't find it anywhere! 
Do you know when it will repeat? :)

Thank you!

c

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> 
> the HBO special aired tonight, and I made SURE I was home to 
record 
> it!  Hehe. It was good, but not nearly long enough.  I did get to 
> see the scene with Lockhart where he grabs Harry and tells him 
> to "smile!  you and I are worth the front page"  part of the 
book.  
> Mrs. Weasley was all a-flutter!  It was cute.  They did a quick 
> interview with Jason Issacs and he was sooo good.  Inside that 
cane 
> is his wand - I saw him pull it out and point it at something, so 
> that was cool.  It was really good, I just wish it had been longer 
> than 15 minutes.  Ah well, can't have it all!  Did anyone else get 
> to see it?  I've only watched it once, so I may be forgetting 
> something good...
> 
> Alora




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 04:43:44 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:43:44 -0000
Subject: OT-- Strange email - HELP ME! =VIRUS
In-Reply-To: <aq6f90+bg24@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq7ia0+3m93@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Fyre Wood" <fyredriftwood at y...> wrote:
>  Here's what I've been getting and I'm rather confused...
> 
> **********************
> Date: 4 Nov 2002 18:43:23 -0000 
> From: jamminjerry at m... | This is Spam | Add to Address 
> Book 
> To: fyredriftwood at y... 
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WB HP extra on Nov.8 
>        
>  
> 
> 
> This account has been closed. 
> *******************
> 
> Does this mean that my account is closed or the person receiving the 
> message has a closed account? I'd thought I'd ask if anyone else has 
> been receiving this.
> 
> I know it's off topic, but I'll add something else to keep it going 
> about the movie...
> 
> TOM FELTON looks cute in the premiere photos =)
> 
> --Fyre Wood, who doesn't want this strange email in her inbox.

bboy_mn:

One of two things-
1.) Jamminjerry is alive an well, he posted to this Yahoo group today,
but the email address he is using is jamminjerry at G... and not
jamminjerry at M.... 

So somehow emails are still going to his old address and the server at
that address is replying to the ENTIRE Yahoo group email list instead
of replying to the orginal sender which would be the Group itself.

2.) and this one is definitely true, someone in this group has either
the Klez or Bugbear virus on their computer and it is sending out
emails to Yahoo addresses amoung others and they are getting bounced
back to the group.

If you are getting a lot or even a few emails returned as undelivered,
that you are pretty sure you never sent, then you probably have this
virus and need to do something about it before you drive the rest of
us nuts.

Here is a little tip for testing those unusual email you get
sometimes. (Frequently, I get emails that are completely blank.) Most
email programs will let you view the 'source' of the file. By source,
I don't mean where it originated but the source text; the raw
unformated text complete with Headers and all that other confusing stuff. 

If you get and email that doesn't have an attachment, but had a huge
block of random characters at the end when viewing the 'source text',
then that email has a virus.

Sorry, I know Email/Virus tip are way off topic, but if it leads the
person who has the virus on their computer to finding it, then it
saves us all a lot of headaches.

just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 04:59:28 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 04:59:28 -0000
Subject: HBO special
In-Reply-To: <aq7hdq+27uc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq7j7g+irfl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "kesa101" <kesa101 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alora!
> 
> Do you have the HBO times for this special? My sister has HBO and 
> we've been trying to locate the special but can't find it 
anywhere! 
> Do you know when it will repeat? :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> c

Hi!  You  know what, I went to the HBO website, and on the right 
side of the screen it has a "what's on tonight" column.  Under it, 
it says, "The Magic of Harry Potter"  or something like that.  Click 
on it, and it will give you alllll the times they will be playing 
it!  It was great!  

Alora





From bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 08:19:19 2002
From: bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com (bruinfan1988)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:19:19 -0000
Subject: HBO special
In-Reply-To: <aq7h4m+h1u6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq7uu7+100bs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> Did anyone else get 
> to see it?  I've only watched it once, so I may be forgetting 
> something good...

I saw it, too, and thought it had some good extra bits and pieces we 
haven't seen, like some extra scenes with the spiders, the bookstore 
scene with Harry and Lockhart and some more of the bookstore scene 
with Lucius (including a partial scene in which Lucius notices 
Hermione, calls her by name and says that his son has told him about 
her).  It had a lot of information for a 15 minute special.

It also showed the cast horsing around on the set--including a 
snippet in which Dan, Emma and Rupert were laughing and Dan looked 
sort of shamefaced at Emma and accused her of always trying to 
embarass him and she denied with with a giggle and a flap of her 
arms, as well as a cute little snippet with Tom Felton and Dan in 
which they said how well they got along in real life, despite being 
HP enemies.

It was all very cute.






From hal.9000 at angelfire.com  Tue Nov  5 12:58:36 2002
From: hal.9000 at angelfire.com (Hal9000)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:58:36 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin, Sirius Black,Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <aq6oau+6de9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq8f9s+l3rt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "fionap19" <fionap19 at y...> wrote:

> I was one of the lucky devils who actually got seats in the 
> Grandstand right opposite the entrance to the Odeon Leicester 
Square 
> yesterday and saw Richard E Grant arrive ....... I shouted out to 
my 
> 13 year old that he would make a PERFECT Sirius Black..... he does 
> the haunted bit brilliantly but has a superb "Twinkle" too!  I 
agree 
> he's pretty good on the eye too!  Can you imagine Richard E Grant 
as 
> Sirius and Ewan McGregor as Lupin?  They get my vote anyway.  Also 
> saw Glenn Close there and thought she'd make a great Rita Skeeter 
for 
> book 4 but some other fans reckon she'd be good for Trelawny.  Any 
> votes?

*********
Well said (and I'm mighty jealous of your sightings!)  I'd like to 
see Richard E. Grant as Sirius.  He's a fine actor, has the qualities 
you mentioned that make him suitable to play a Sirius and importantly 
he is well into his forties, making him a believable schoolmate of 
Alan Rickman.  

Which is exactly why I don't think that the otherwise appropriate 
Ewan  McGregor is suitable to play Lupin.  He looks like he's 31 and 
not a day over. (I could buy him more as an older Weasley boy).

My dream casting is Richard E. Grant as Sirius Black and Paul McGann 
as Remus Lupin.  Not only would it be a WITHNAIL AND I reunion, but 
Paul McGann would be perfect.  He has a sort of Ralph-Fiennes-gone-
slightly-to-seed manner. I recently rewatched his Dr Who movie, which 
wasn't much to write home about but he was perfect.  Kind, clever, 
capable, tortured and slightly eccentric. And he has the perfect 
profile and to cap it off, nice pointy teeth!  (Go Paul, Go).

I'd like to see Emma Thompson as Rita Skeeter. :) 

Hal.




From amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com  Tue Nov  5 13:15:28 2002
From: amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com (faura2002)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 13:15:28 -0000
Subject: What do we do?
In-Reply-To: <aq6nnp+b84a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq8g9g+rr35@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:

> Whilst it's unfair on us Brits not to be able to share our views 
for a week, it's equally unfair on the USians (and others) who won't 
be able to get involved for a week (or more). 

Perhaps the Mods can make an announcement about how we're going to 
deal with this? I would suggest that we simply agree to use a marker 
of some sort to distinguish posts by those who've already seen the 
movie and take it from there. Perhaps something like "SEEN COS"?


ME:

Here in the Philippines, as the moviehouses change their line-up 
every Wednesday, COS will be shown starting Wednesday, the 13th, with 
a premiere/midnight showing the weekend before. So yeah, i think we 
should warn others with a subject heading "SEEN COS" or something 
similar.

Can't wait.

Cheers!

faura





From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Nov  5 09:02:52 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 09:02:52 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: a desperate plea
Message-ID: <8A756201A4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Could anyone out there PLEASE make me a tape of the HBO 
special?!

I don't have HBO.  None of my friends have HBO.  We're too 
broke for that luxury.

Please?!  PLEASE?!!?!?  I will pay, of course.

*on my knees*  I'm desperate to see it.  Please please 
please?

Thanks.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I 
get to the end and think, 'Well, that's not going to happen.'



From littlepooh599 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 14:20:54 2002
From: littlepooh599 at yahoo.com (littlepooh599)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:20:54 -0000
Subject: a desperate plea
In-Reply-To: <8A756201A4@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <aq8k46+9vhj@eGroups.com>

It really wasn't that a big of a deal. It was only 15 minuts long if 
that. They showed a few different scenes that i hadn't seen in the 
previews but it was mostly just interviewing the cast. Wait for the 
movie.You didn't miss much.




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Nov  5 14:25:41 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:25:41 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Prefixing required; JamminJerry; Reminder re: Copyrights
References: <aq8g9g+rr35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01dc01c284d7$38540260$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi all --

To avoid spoilering the movie for those who'd like to avoid spoilers until seeing the movie (given different time zones & release dates), please put COS MOVIE (SPOILERS) in the subject heading.  If you'd also like to employ spoiler space too, that's great (though be aware that Yahoo webview will show part of the text of your message if you don't use the "correct" form of spoiler space).  To use correct spoiler space, I believe you must insert more than one character per line for a few lines, like this:

SP
OI
LE
RS
SP
OI
LE
RS

S
P
A
C
E

The above ought to do the trick I think.  In any case, putting the COS MOVIE (SPOILERS) prefix into your subject heading puts people on notice.

JAMMINGJERRY -- Several of you have raised this issue, and I've asked our techie Mods to get back to me on what needs to be done for those of you experiencing this problem.  I'll be back in touch later today or as soon as I hear back from John or Neil.  

COPYRIGHTS -- Please do not scan & upload images of WB merchandise -- this is a violation of copyright laws.  Please also be aware that if you want to let the list know about an online article, the correct way to do this is to post a message with a *link* (only) to the article -- do not post the full-text of the article as this too is violative of copyright laws.  If you do this, we have to delete the offending messages or files.  

Penny
for the Mods

 

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From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 17:52:39 2002
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 17:52:39 -0000
Subject: Clarification on Copyrights Requested (WAS: Reminder re: Copyrights)
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c284d7$38540260$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <aq90h7+4et7@eGroups.com>

Penny Linsenmayer wrote:

> COPYRIGHTS -- Please do not scan & upload images of WB merchandise -
> - this is a violation of copyright laws.  Please also be aware that 
> if you want to let the list know about an online article, the 
> correct way to do this is to post a message with a *link* (only) to 
> the article -- do not post the full-text of the article as this too 
> is violative of copyright laws.  If you do this, we have to delete 
> the offending messages or files.  

Now me:

Hi, Penny - as one who quotes interviews often in her posts, is it 
allowable to quote *segments* of interviews or articles (along with 
providing the link)?  I don't want to violate copyright rules, so I'd 
like to be clear on whether the prohibition applies to fully 
reprinting the entire article, or also extends to quoting segments of 
an article.

Thanks for clarifying,

Phyllis




From fortindeuce at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 18:04:18 2002
From: fortindeuce at yahoo.co.uk (Gabriel Rozenberg)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:04:18 -0000
Subject: usefulness of hpfgu
Message-ID: <aq9172+u8un@eGroups.com>

As a long term lurker on the sister group I should say thanks for 
being such dedicated fans and poring over every detail of the film 
well before it has come out. It was very helpful to me when I was 
researching the Hermione hug and what people were making of it for 
The Times this week. The comprehensiveness of on-list people's 
obsession does them proud and is very handy in situations like this...

You might like to know that at the premiere I asked Rupert Grint what 
he thought about maybe getting together with Hermione in future 
films - he said he hoped they didn't get off with each other, and 
said he'd rather JKR killed Ron off instead!

Gabriel





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 18:19:13 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 18:19:13 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Prefixing required
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c284d7$38540260$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <aq9231+73hb@eGroups.com>

Penny Linsenmayer 

> To avoid spoilering the movie for those who'd like to avoid 
> spoilers until seeing the movie (given different time zones & 
> release dates), please put COS MOVIE (SPOILERS) in the subject 
> heading.  

<snip>

Thanks for that.

To avoid any misunderstanding down the line, can we agree a date by 
which we can assume people will have seen the movie, and thus after 
which time anti-spoiling prefixes and top space won't be needed? Do 
we need to wait for the film to have come out in Poland (according to 
IMDb, 3rd January), will the Russian release date (24th December) be 
enough, or because the vast majority of us are either in the UK or 
North America, should 28th November (by which time the film will have 
come out in most of Europe and Australasia, and presumably everyone 
here who's going to see the film at the cinema will have seen it) be 
enough?

I'm not trying to make trouble or be pedantic, it's just that from 
past experiences on film-related online communities, it's usually 
helpful to be clear on these matters to avoid arguments.






From siskiou at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  5 18:33:35 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:33:35 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] usefulness of hpfgu
In-Reply-To: <aq9172+u8un@eGroups.com>
References: <aq9172+u8un@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <886602616.20021105103335@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Tuesday, November 05, 2002, 10:04:18 AM, fortindeuce at yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> You might like to know that at the premiere I asked Rupert Grint what 
> he thought about maybe getting together with Hermione in future 
> films - he said he hoped they didn't get off with each other, and 
> said he'd rather JKR killed Ron off instead!

He's right at the age where most boys would never admit
they'd like to do *that* with a girl <g> (just like Ron in GoF).

Just think of all the teasing he'd get from the boys in his
school.

I suspect he might change his mind not too far in the future, though.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From pennylin at swbell.net  Tue Nov  5 20:25:54 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:25:54 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Prefixing required until Dec 1st
References: <aq9231+73hb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02d101c28509$8ab25ca0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

<<<<<<<To avoid any misunderstanding down the line, can we agree a date by which we can assume people will have seen the movie, and thus after 
which time anti-spoiling prefixes and top space won't be needed? Do 
we need to wait for the film to have come out in Poland (according to 
IMDb, 3rd January), will the Russian release date (24th December) be 
enough, or because the vast majority of us are either in the UK or 
North America, should 28th November (by which time the film will have 
come out in most of Europe and Australasia, and presumably everyone 
here who's going to see the film at the cinema will have seen it) be 
enough?>>>>>>>>>

December 1st will be the cut-off date then -- please use Prefixing from this coming weekend (opening in the UK) until after December 1st.

Thanks,

Penny
for the Mods


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From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 22:39:08 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1904 08:03:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] London Premiere
Message-ID: <v01540b000001a2fe963b@[195.184.228.189]>

Richard said:-

>Incidentally, one thing I found particularly surprising was the lack
>of A-list celebs attending the event. And where on earth was Jonathan
>Ross (who, for non-Brits, apart from being the BBC's resident film
>critic, has several other TV and radio shows, not to mention a family
>of his own who are all Potterholics)? I'll never forget the PS/SS
>interview he did with Dan for his film show, during which it wasn't
>quite clear who was more star-struck (and ended with Dan saying "it
>was very nice to meet you"). :-)

I missed that. I did hear Simon Bates (Classic FM 4.00 - 6.30 weekdays and
the movie show, Saturdays 6.00) announce *last week* that he had seen CoS,
so maybe Woss, sorry, Ross and family, also saw it at a critics' preview.

Incidentally, Classic FM is playing the music from CoS as their featured CD
on the School Run at about 8.10 in the morning all this week, and Bates was
also playing it today. For non-Brits, Classic FM is also broadcast on the
Internet; I think the address is www.classicfm.com

Regards,
Nicholas
Ridiculously excited, having managed to get my tickets for this weekend
upgraded to premium seating; those seats only went on sale today and were
sold out within a few hours. The big advantage is that those seats are
numbered and preassigned; no rugby scrum in the cinema!





From corgi at SFF.net  Tue Nov  5 22:44:32 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:44:32 -0000
Subject: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/Rita Skeeter and various actors
In-Reply-To: <aq8f9s+l3rt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aq9hkg+et7b@eGroups.com>

--- Hal9000 wrote:
> ...I'd like to 
> see Richard E. Grant as Sirius.  He's a fine actor, has the
> qualities you mentioned that make him suitable to play a Sirius
> and importantly he is well into his forties, making him a
> believable schoolmate of Alan Rickman.  

AUGH!  I get kept away for just a day or two, and everybody's 
forgotten about the utter perfection of casting Jason Carter as
Sirius! <melodramatic laying of hand against forehead>  I love
Richard E. Grant's work too, but Jason has just that =little bit
something extra= more Siriusish.

(Trivium: Richard's 3 years older than Jason)

> Which is exactly why I don't think that the otherwise appropriate 
> Ewan  McGregor is suitable to play Lupin.  He looks like he's 31
> and not a day over. (I could buy him more as an older Weasley boy).

The books DO keep describing Lupin as having a 'youthful face', 
though....
 
> Paul McGann....

Lovely thought.  Just... like that. ;)
 
> I'd like to see Emma Thompson as Rita Skeeter. :) 

MAJOR accord there!

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
Jason Carter is to Sirius Black as Hugh Jackman was to Wolverine




From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Tue Nov  5 22:52:33 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Jennifer Prescott)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:52:33 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Assorted CoS matters
References: <v01540b0000176c488b64@[213.254.186.169]>
Message-ID: <3DC84BB1.5FF1439C@ka.reg.uci.edu>

Nicholas wrote:

> Well, just one week to go before the preview showings. Tell me, am I the
> only freak who has tickets for next Friday, Saturday AND Sunday?

Um well, Im a freak that has tickets for friday and saturday, anyway.  :o)
Im kinda bummed though -- went to buy tickets for friday night at my fave theatre and they're already sold out!
AH!!

-jenny




From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 22:56:54 2002
From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:56:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Weasley Family Photo
Message-ID: <20021105225654.58282.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com>


Here is a direct link to a picture of the whole Weasley family plus Harry in the Burrow's kitchen.  It looks like it's just a semi-candid publicity photo without them being in character too much, because Ginny is right next to Harry and she doesn't look nervous at all!  ;-) 

http://www.mugglenet.com/images/weasleyfamily.bmp

Lilac, lover of all things Weasley



 

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From ed4u at attbi.com  Tue Nov  5 23:33:35 2002
From: ed4u at attbi.com (Katy Melo)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:33:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/Rita Skeeter and various actors
References: <aq9hkg+et7b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005601c28523$c2fb64c0$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com>

Corgi I have not forgot about Jason Carter after looking at that actors
pixs(ok so I couldnt remember who he was) I totally feel he doesnt fit the
part--My Sirius is handsome yet mysterious charming yet looks loyal and
scarey all in the same!! The other guy(wont name names ;-) Just doesnt fit
that!!!

As for Lupin I need more names to look up and really get my feel for "who"
should be him!!!

I watched the Oprah today(a friend recorded it for me :-) and I cant wait to
see the movie!! Oh  I am so jealous I dont live in the UK!! DARNIT!!!

OK my $.05 today :-)

Katy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corgi" <corgi at SFF.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/Rita Skeeter and various
actors


> --- Hal9000 wrote:
> > ...I'd like to
> > see Richard E. Grant as Sirius.  He's a fine actor, has the
> > qualities you mentioned that make him suitable to play a Sirius
> > and importantly he is well into his forties, making him a
> > believable schoolmate of Alan Rickman.
>
> AUGH!  I get kept away for just a day or two, and everybody's
> forgotten about the utter perfection of casting Jason Carter as
> Sirius! <melodramatic laying of hand against forehead>  I love
> Richard E. Grant's work too, but Jason has just that =little bit
> something extra= more Siriusish.
>
> (Trivium: Richard's 3 years older than Jason)
>
> > Which is exactly why I don't think that the otherwise appropriate
> > Ewan  McGregor is suitable to play Lupin.  He looks like he's 31
> > and not a day over. (I could buy him more as an older Weasley boy).
>
> The books DO keep describing Lupin as having a 'youthful face',
> though....
>
> > Paul McGann....
>
> Lovely thought.  Just... like that. ;)
>
> > I'd like to see Emma Thompson as Rita Skeeter. :)
>
> MAJOR accord there!
>
> Corgi
> http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
> Jason Carter is to Sirius Black as Hugh Jackman was to Wolverine
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 00:47:09 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:47:09 -0000
Subject: Weasley Family Photo
In-Reply-To: <20021105225654.58282.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aq9oqd+bng7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Lilac <lilac_bearry at y...> wrote:
> 
> Here is a direct link to a picture of the whole Weasley family 
plus Harry in the Burrow's kitchen.  It looks like it's just a semi-
candid publicity photo without them being in character too much, 
because Ginny is right next to Harry and she doesn't look nervous at 
all!  ;-) 
> 
> http://www.mugglenet.com/images/weasleyfamily.bmp
> 
> Lilac, lover of all things Weasley


Lilac,

oh, thank you!  What a great picture!  That's the first I have seen 
of all the Weasleys together in the Burrow.  Thanks!

Alora, who bought The Burrow playset to go with the Hogwart's castle 
she hopes to get for Christmas





From sky14381 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 14:24:34 2002
From: sky14381 at yahoo.com (filmgeek20)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:24:34 -0000
Subject: OT: SF California fans 4 Movie?
Message-ID: <aqb8n2+2je9@eGroups.com>

Is anyone in the SF Bay Area of CA going to make November 15th an 
"event?" I was thinking of dressing up on that day to the theater
but I do not know where all the "hardcore" Harry Potter fans will be.
I'm sure fans are everywhere but I don't want to come dressed up to 
some megaplex only to be gawked at by teeny boppers who have nothing 
better to do on a Friday night and *casually decided* to see Chamber 
of Secrets that day--know what I mean? I would like to go to a
theater 
that has HARDCORE HP fans. Do any of you have suggestions?

I was thinking of going to a San Francisco theater for a 7pm-ish
showing...maybe at the Sony Metreon.  Please let me know your 
thoughts! Thanks! :)

Amy

P.S. I know this should only be on the HPFGU-California list, but I 
figured that there are a lot of Californians on THIS list that
haven't 
had the chance to sign up on that one yet. :) Please don't flame!




From lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  6 15:01:54 2002
From: lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com (lindseyharrisst)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:01:54 -0000
Subject: Richard E. Grant: Remus Lupin?
In-Reply-To: <aq7a0f+nhmf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqbat2+nmom@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Lani" wrote:
 Can you imagine Richard E Grant as 
 Sirius and Ewan McGregor as Lupin?  
 
from the desk of Miss S. Snapesangel, Institute for the Promotion of
Peter-Wingfield-as-Lupin.

To whom it may concern, 
We at the institute feel, at this juncture, that it is in the public
interest to alert the populace to a number of facts, of which they may
previously been unaware. We wish to make it known that exhaustive
testing by our top operatives has shown that Mr P Wingfield is the
superior being in the field of thespianism. While we hold this truth
to be self evident, we feel only respect for our colleagues in
splinter groups, such as those for the promotion of "other lupins".
This said, we hereby reaffirm our commitment to persual of our aim
through peaceful means, with a view to our ultimate goal of
facilitating a stable and happy relationship between Mr Lupin and 
Prof. S Snape devoid of the menace of one S. Black.
yours
s. snapesangel
(departmental head)











From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Nov  6 11:20:08 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 11:20:08 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: thanks, people!
Message-ID: <A4C011543E@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Thanks to everyone who offered to tape the HBO special for 
me.

A workmate has offered to tape it for me, though.  Makes 
things a bit easier.

Thanks again!  I really appreciated it!

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an 
oncoming dragon.



From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 19:08:01 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 19:08:01 -0000
Subject: A clip found from HBO interview special
Message-ID: <aqbpah+nogk@eGroups.com>

I run a website called Hidden Desire and someone posted this on my 
message board. It is the scene with Tom and Dan talking about them 
not being enemies but they infact get along off screen.

http://ivy.veela-inc.net/HD2.mov

I didn't have any sound, but it's pretty cool to watch.

-Fyre Wood, who feels sad because she couldn't listen to it, but had 
to only watch.




From aphrael at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  6 19:11:03 2002
From: aphrael at hotmail.com (Carla Donnell)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:11:03 -0500
Subject: Trelawny casting
Message-ID: <F1102xiC06IxnqkVQQT00007838@hotmail.com>

Maybe it's just me *watches tumbleweeds roll by* but for some reason when I 
picture Prof. Trelawny, I see...Gwenyth Paltrow.  Call me crazy (I do ;) but 
she can pull off a British accent admirably and I think would fit...and 
again, Billy Connelly for Mad-Eye Moody...that is all :)

Cheers!
Carla :)

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From thesinkster at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 22:02:24 2002
From: thesinkster at yahoo.com (thesinkster)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:02:24 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <F1102xiC06IxnqkVQQT00007838@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <aqc3hg+t6vp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Carla Donnell" <aphrael at h...> wrote:
> Maybe it's just me *watches tumbleweeds roll by* but for some 
reason when I 
> picture Prof. Trelawny, I see...Gwenyth Paltrow.  Call me crazy (I 
do ;) but 
> she can pull off a British accent admirably and I think would 
fit...and 
> again, Billy Connelly for Mad-Eye Moody...that is all :)
> 
> Cheers!
> Carla :)


Now, if this is a suggestion that has already been discussed, feel 
free to flame the heck out of me on account my own laziness:

IMO, Jennifer Suanders would do a fine job as Trelawny and Dawn 
French could do a fine Rita Skeeter, i'm sure.  I'm a huge fan of 
these ladies (weird, since I'm from Ohio, USA) and I've seen them in 
these parts ever since I dived into the potterverse.  I think they're 
both quite talented at play people we *love* to hate!

sink




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  6 23:56:43 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 23:56:43 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqc3hg+t6vp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqca7r+30sr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "thesinkster" <thesinkster at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Carla Donnell" <aphrael at h...> wrote:
> > Maybe it's just me *watches tumbleweeds roll by* but for some 
> reason when I 
> > picture Prof. Trelawny, I see...Gwenyth Paltrow.  Call me crazy 
(I 
> do ;) but 
> > she can pull off a British accent admirably and I think would 
> fit...and 
> > again, Billy Connelly for Mad-Eye Moody...that is all :)
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > Carla :)
> 
> 
> Now, if this is a suggestion that has already been discussed, feel 
> free to flame the heck out of me on account my own laziness:
> 
> IMO, Jennifer Suanders would do a fine job as Trelawny and Dawn 
> French could do a fine Rita Skeeter, i'm sure.  I'm a huge fan of 
> these ladies (weird, since I'm from Ohio, USA) and I've seen them 
in 
> these parts ever since I dived into the potterverse.  I think 
they're 
> both quite talented at play people we *love* to hate!
> 
> sink

Sinkster,

any pics of these ladies? I know Jennifer Saunders, but I can't 
remember her face.  Ab Fab?  And who is Dawn French?  I'd love to 
see who you are envisioning for these roles!

Alora




From orlaquirke2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 00:33:43 2002
From: orlaquirke2002 at yahoo.com (Anna Hemmant)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 00:33:43 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqc3hg+t6vp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqccd7+72ef@eGroups.com>

In response to the request for a photo of french and saunders, see 
below (you may have to paste it into the address bar), i found a 
really cool photo.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005U2KK.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Anna




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 01:10:47 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 01:10:47 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqc3hg+t6vp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqcein+j0v1@eGroups.com>

thesinkster wrote:

> IMO, Jennifer Suanders would do a fine job as Trelawny and Dawn 
> French could do a fine Rita Skeeter, i'm sure.  I'm a huge fan of 
> these ladies (weird, since I'm from Ohio, USA) and I've seen them 
in 
> these parts ever since I dived into the potterverse.  I think 
they're 
> both quite talented at play people we *love* to hate!

I can see Jenn in there, but as for Dawn, no way! She's far too ... 
err... rotund... to play the kind of Rita I imagine.

On the other hand, Jenn's partner in AbFab, Joanna Lumley, would make 
an *excellent* Rita! Lumley "does" spite very, very well indeed and I 
can really picture her eyes spitting venom, the way I can't see Dawn 
French's.

(For the benefit of those who may not know: French & Saunders have a 
very long-running comedy partnership on stage and TV, and run their 
own production company, and have had successes away from each other: 
notably, Dawn French with The Vicar of Dibley, and Jennifer Saunders 
with Absolutely Fabulous, co-starring Joanna Lumley)

 




From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 07:50:50 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:50:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqca7r+30sr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021107075050.40783.qmail@web20805.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, since we're going to bring Dawn French into the
mix, I have to throw in my most ethusiastic vote for
the hilarious Emma Chambers to play Trelawney. She's
been mentioned as a casting possibility and anyone
who's seen her with French in "The Vicar of Dibley"
(she played ditzy Alice) will attest to her talent for
playing dim, whispy voiced eccentrics. She's a real
delight to watch in "Vicar" and I can't imagine she
wouldn't be an ideal choice for Trelawney.

-Jessica


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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 14:38:19 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:38:19 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <20021107075050.40783.qmail@web20805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aqdtsr+pt3s@eGroups.com>

Moonstruck wrote:
> Well, since we're going to bring Dawn French into the
> mix, I have to throw in my most ethusiastic vote for
> the hilarious Emma Chambers to play Trelawney. 

<snip>

Sorry, I think she's *far* too young(-looking). She'd need to age at 
least 10 or 15 years even to come *close* to how I imagine Trelawney.

I don't see Trelawney as dippy in the way Alice (VoD) is. In fact, of 
all possible adjectives, "dippy" is one I'd never even consider to 
describe her. :-)

Trelawney isn't stupid, clumsy or disconnected from reality. She's 
(self-)deluded, sure, but I see it as a quite intellectual delusion. 
I see her as almost regal in her bearing, very snobbish, and with 
subtle facial expressions. 

With apologies to Emma Chambers, nothing I've ever seen her do would 
make me think that she could pull that off. Not because she's 
untalented (which I wouldn't claim), but because she simply doesn't 
fit; just as, say, Ken Brannagh as Snape wouldn't really be 
believable... :-)






From thesinkster at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 16:01:28 2002
From: thesinkster at yahoo.com (thesinkster)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:01:28 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqcein+j0v1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqe2oo+7auj@eGroups.com>


> 
> I can see Jenn in there, but as for Dawn, no way! She's far too ... 
> err... rotund... to play the kind of Rita I imagine.

That's a good point.  I supposed my own imagination wander with that 
one, since the books never descibe her as being overweight. 

> On the other hand, Jenn's partner in AbFab, Joanna Lumley, would 
make 
> an *excellent* Rita! Lumley "does" spite very, very well indeed and 
I 
> can really picture her eyes spitting venom, the way I can't see 
Dawn 
> French's.
Billiant!! yes! brilliant.  I could beat myself like a house-elf.  
Why didn't i think of that.  Lumley would be fantasticly nasty! ;)
> 
> (For the benefit of those who may not know: French & Saunders have 
a 
> very long-running comedy partnership on stage and TV, and run their 
> own production company, and have had successes away from each 
other: 
> notably, Dawn French with The Vicar of Dibley, and Jennifer 
Saunders 
> with Absolutely Fabulous, co-starring Joanna Lumley)

Thanks Ana for the French and Saunders Pic!  If people haven't heard 
AbFab, they're missing out.
 
Sink out!




From chl0525 at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  7 18:12:01 2002
From: chl0525 at hotmail.com (chl0525)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:12:01 -0000
Subject: Movie Rewiew From a Different Point of View
Message-ID: <aqeadh+rnac@eGroups.com>

I stumbled across an interesting article today. I can be found at 

http://petplace.netscape.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=5042&
conID=23976

They call it a review but it's realy only about the animal segments 
of the film. There is interesting info about the animals involved 
and one deleted scene.

Michelle




From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Nov  7 18:49:47 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:49:47 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqcein+j0v1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqeckb+n6b4@eGroups.com>

I can't see Franch & Saunders getting anywhere without it turning into
ho-ho commedy, which this isn't.  They are well known and respected
for what they do, but I have yet to see them do anything sufficiently
serious to merit inclusion.

I do, however, find the suggestion of Emma Thomson interesting.  She
is versatile and with the right props i.e. venomous glasses and a
lethal black wig  could really do the character well.

My image of Professor Trelawny is of someone very much as JKR
describes her i.e. the late Joyce Grenfell, perhaps taller as I get
the impression Professor Trelawny is tall, perhaps someone can quote
passages from canon, I can't sorry 'bout that.

BTW I am not awfully good at giving good reports of films so I hope
GulPlum can give an experienced cinemagoer's view.  Me, I shall only
be able to offer a highly excitable and overwrought view largely based
on ow much screen time my hero (Snape) gets.

I am off now to calm my nerves before tomorrow's visit to CoS......

Felicia
now down to counting minutes, not days...




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 20:23:08 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 20:23:08 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqeckb+n6b4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqei3c+m6rv@eGroups.com>

Felicia Rickmann wrote:
> I can't see Franch & Saunders getting anywhere without it turning 
> into
> ho-ho commedy, which this isn't.  They are well known and respected
> for what they do, but I have yet to see them do anything 
> sufficiently serious to merit inclusion.

I absolutely don't see Dawn French doing anything in the HP universe. 

As for Jennifer Saunders, I only tried to shoe-horn her in because a 
F&S suggestion had been posited. :-) I don't really see her being 
involved (nor do I think she'd be interesed), but I agree with you 
that she's not got the right bearing for Trelawney.

> I do, however, find the suggestion of Emma Thomson interesting.  She
> is versatile and with the right props i.e. venomous glasses and a
> lethal black wig  could really do the character well.

Nah... She's far too sweet. Besides, my favourite Emma Thompson role 
was in "Truly Madly Deeply" opposite You-Know-Who :-) and I wouldn't 
be able to get that character out of my mind. My imagination isn't 
all *that* limited, though, because I didn't expect Snape to pull a 
cello from somewhere. :-) 

[How's this for coincidences: I am currently listening to the cello 
suite written for TMD... - honestly!]

> My image of Professor Trelawny is of someone very much as JKR
> describes her i.e. the late Joyce Grenfell, perhaps taller as I get
> the impression Professor Trelawny is tall, perhaps someone can quote
> passages from canon, I can't sorry 'bout that.

A thought just occurred to me - if we're going to go down the Joyce 
Grenfell route, how's about the person who wrote and performed a one-
woman show all about her, Maureen Lipman?

<3 minutes after having written the above words> 

The more I think about Maureen Lipman, the more I like the idea. :-)

> BTW I am not awfully good at giving good reports of films so I hope
> GulPlum can give an experienced cinemagoer's view.  Me, I shall only
> be able to offer a highly excitable and overwrought view largely
> based on how much screen time my hero (Snape) gets.

Not much, apparently, so I suspect your review may well turn out to 
be a tirade about how *little* time he gets...

Incidentally, my own movie-reviewing talents aren't particularly 
good, so you should expect a few bullet points and little else. I am 
much, much better at using other people's reviews as a basis for 
discussion of my own views rather than writing my own. Even your 
excitable writings are likely to spark me off. :-)

Furthermore, from everything I've heard about the movie, I'm most 
likely to concentrate on Lucius and Arthur, played by two actors for 
whom I have the utmost respect. I'm already getting a shiver down my 
spine having just read an interview with Jason Isaacs.

Oh, and don't expect my review very quickly. My schedule is: 4.15: 
CoS (1) starts. 7:30 meet friend at train station. 8:15 CoS (2) 
starts. 11.00 Late dinner with bunch of friends. Back to his place 
(which has no net access at present). Saturday: work until God knows 
when; hopefully finish in time for CoS (3) at 11.10pm (if we can get 
in). If I'm lucky, I'll be able to get back home for about 3 am to 
post a review; otherwise, stay the night at his place, get up on 
Sunday am and get to cinema for CoS (4) at 1.20pm, home alone for 
late lunch and then err... CoS (5) at 8.15. Back home around midnight 
to read some online reviews and perhaps post a more complete one of 
my own.

"Sad, MOI?" :-)





From kechelsen at aol.com  Thu Nov  7 22:13:38 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:13:38 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqei3c+m6rv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqeoii+l79u@eGroups.com>

< I do, however, find the suggestion of Emma Thomson interesting.  
She is versatile and with the right props i.e. venomous glasses and a
lethal black wig  could really do the character well.>
 
<< Nah... She's far too sweet. Besides, my favourite Emma Thompson 
role was in "Truly Madly Deeply" opposite You-Know-Who :-) and I 
wouldn't be able to get that character out of my mind. My imagination 
isn't all *that* limited, though, because I didn't expect Snape to 
pull a cello from somewhere. :-) >>

Sorry to get a bit o/t, but I think you may be confusing Emma 
Thompson with Juliet Stephenson who starred opposite Alan Rickman in 
Truly, Madly Deeply.  I checked the IMDB, and Emma wasn't listed as a 
cast member of that film, nor was it mentioned on her list of credits.

I agree, she's a bit sweet for Rita Skeeter, but it would be 
interesting to see her play against type.

Kathy




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 22:19:20 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:19:20 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqei3c+m6rv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqeot8+b7jq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:

> Nah... She's far too sweet. Besides, my favourite Emma Thompson 
role 
> was in "Truly Madly Deeply" opposite You-Know-Who :-) and I 
wouldn't 
> be able to get that character out of my mind. My imagination isn't 
> all *that* limited, though, because I didn't expect Snape to pull 
a 
> cello from somewhere. :-) 

I saw that movie!  It was very good.  But then, anything with 
Rickman is good.
 
> A thought just occurred to me - if we're going to go down the 
Joyce 
> Grenfell route, how's about the person who wrote and performed a 
one-
> woman show all about her, Maureen Lipman?

I'm going to go and look her up.  Hopefully she's on the internet 
somewhere.

 
> Not much, apparently, so I suspect your review may well turn out 
to 
> be a tirade about how *little* time he gets...


Hehehe, got you there, Felicia!  :D
 
> I'm already getting a shiver down my 
> spine having just read an interview with Jason Isaacs.


OoOOOoooo  don't you LOVE the Flourish and BLotts scene where he 
says, "Now, now, Draco, play nicely."

LOVE.  IT.


 
> Oh, and don't expect my review very quickly. My schedule is: 4.15: 
> CoS (1) starts. 7:30 meet friend at train station. 8:15 CoS (2) 
> starts. 11.00 Late dinner with bunch of friends. Back to his place 
> (which has no net access at present). Saturday: work until God 
knows 
> when; hopefully finish in time for CoS (3) at 11.10pm (if we can 
get 
> in). If I'm lucky, I'll be able to get back home for about 3 am to 
> post a review; otherwise, stay the night at his place, get up on 
> Sunday am and get to cinema for CoS (4) at 1.20pm, home alone for 
> late lunch and then err... CoS (5) at 8.15. Back home around 
midnight 
> to read some online reviews and perhaps post a more complete one 
of 
> my own.
> 


I can't wait for both of your reviews!!  I don't care how or when 
you get them posted, just post them!  I still have a week to go!  
Grrrr.

Alora





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Thu Nov  7 22:49:42 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:49:42 -0000
Subject: PoA: casting of extras
Message-ID: <aqeqm6+4ttq@eGroups.com>

Just thought I'd share the following:

One of my friend's sons "auditioned" for a part in PoA last weekend.

The audition actually consisted of my friend filling in lots of 
paperwork - including the infamous secrecy clauses in which she has 
promised not to tell anybody about her son's experiences on the set. 
Warner Bros have accepted that children will tell their parents what 
happens, but the parents are then contractually bound to stop their 
kids telling anybody else what happens, and of course must not tell 
anyone either.

The rest of the "audition" consisted of being measured "in every 
conceivable" place and being photographed. This was followed by a 
medical, and questions about his education authority to apply for a 
licence. It was apparently a bit like being on a conveyor belt; once 
one section was successfully completed, then that section of her 
son's form was rubber stamped "passed" and he could move on to the 
next. She has been told he is to be available between February and 
August.

 But, she has not been told when - or if - he will find out if he's 
been successful. She is presuming that they must decide this 
preliminary stage on looks and height alone - ie certain number of 12 
year old kids to have black hair, blonde hair etc. If he was 
acceptable for this, then he would be an extra, but some extras have 
more screen time than others, so he might end up having to have 
a "proper" audition if he gets through the preliminary round.


Ali

Who's also seeing CoS tomorrow night and is very excited!






From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  7 22:57:36 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (myphilosophy2001)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:57:36 -0000
Subject: Sending out videos
Message-ID: <aqer50+kqtu@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone!

Well, the first batch of copies is completed and will be in the mail 
early tomorrow. Sorry for any delays -- I've been out of commission 
with a nasty case of the flu for most of the last two weeks. I'm only 
mailing videos to those whose payments I've received, as I'm really 
not comfortable sending anything off until that point. Here's who's 
videos are on their way:

*Jessica R.
*Darlene
*Nia
*Barbara S.
*Jennifer Prescot (loved the money-concealing picture, BTW!)
*Penny
*Mary S.
*Fyre Wood
*Karen K.
*Carla D.
*Stacy S.
*Heidi 

The following are the people I have listed for copies but from whom 
I've yet to receive payment:

*Katey
*Lilac
*Faye
*Kel
*Jo Serenadust
*Josh Y.
*Cheryl
*Jilly
*Lila P.
*Joy
*Sheila
*Susan M.
*Erie
*Kristi S.
*Carolyn
*Christina M.

Please conact me if you are on this list, but have already sent 
patment. We'll see what we can do to track it down.

And just for final confirmation, here's what's on the video:

*The WB Network's Chamber of Secrets preview (Aired 09/12/02 during 
the "Family Affair" premiere)

*Dan's Total Request Live (TRL ? MTV) appearance (10/22/02)

*Entertainment Tonight and E! News Daily's coverage of CoS (10/24/02)

*E! News Daily and Entertainment Tonight's coverage of Richard 
Harris' death (10/25/02)

*Dan, Rupert, and Emma on Oprah (10/29/02)

*Dan, Rupert, and Emma on Oprah's "After the Show" program on Oxygen
(10/29/02)

*E! News Daily, Entertainment Tonight, and Access Hollywood's 
coverage of the CoS premiere (11/04/02)

*HBO's First Look special on CoS (11/04/02)






From skelkins at attbi.com  Thu Nov  7 23:15:15 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 23:15:15 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Weekly Chat Returning To Old Location
Message-ID: <aqes63+mf7d@eGroups.com>


Elkins edges around the tottering pile of crates and boxes, leaps out 
of the path of the two grunting workmen carrying the sofa, ducks to 
avoid being brained by the grand piano that someone has apparently 
decided to move by recourse to Wingardium Leviosa, and wrings her 
hands helplessly.

"Oh," she breathes. "Oh, *do* be careful of that soap box! It's 
*fragile!*"

-------

Hi, HPFGUers.

Well, we found that we missed the old decor, not to mention that
location, location, location! So starting this Sunday, our weekly 
chat is going to be moving back to its previous home in Yahoo Chat 
Room HP:1. 

Our weekly Sunday chat starts at around 7 pm GMT (that's 2 pm for
those of you on the East coast of the US, 11 am for those of you
on that Other Coast), and lasts until people get tired, usually 
for around four hours but sometimes even longer than that. There's 
no need to stay on-topic in chat: people can and do talk about 
whatever crosses their mind. It can be a fun way to meet people 
in a somewhat different context than the lists, so why not stop 
by and say hello?

To get there, do this:

Go to any Yahoo Chat Room, for example,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/chat

Then type "/join hp:1" (without the quotation marks).

If the room looks empty, stick around for a little while. 
Sometimes people arrive fashionably late.

Now that we've moved back to the old room, you can also once
more use CheetaChat (for PCs) or miChat (for Macs). Upgrades 
for these programs can be found at www.versiontracker.com.

If you have any problems negotiating your way around chat, 
please feel free to contact the mods at mods at hpfgu.org.uk.

We look forward to seeing you there!


Elkins, for the Mods






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 00:02:40 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:02:40 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqeoii+l79u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqeuv0+82v2@eGroups.com>

kathye_c wrote:

<snip>

> Sorry to get a bit o/t, but I think you may be confusing Emma 
> Thompson with Juliet Stephenson who starred opposite Alan Rickman 
in 
> Truly, Madly Deeply.  I checked the IMDB, and Emma wasn't listed as 
a 
> cast member of that film, nor was it mentioned on her list of 
credits.

Of course you're right, it was Juliet Stephenson.

Please excuse me while I go off to bang my head against the wall 
Dobby fashion...

Oh heck. My brain is not working properly today. I wonder why. :-) 
(Actually, it's not what you think. I'm under tremendous pressure to 
finish a bunch of stuff on a project and I really should NOT be 
reading mailing lists, but finishing my work. But I needed a break - 
fat lot of good it did me!)

> I agree, she's a bit sweet for Rita Skeeter, but it would be 
> interesting to see her play against type.

Who, Juliet Stephenson or Emma Thompson? :-) 

Anyway, I think we'd agreed on Joanna Lumley for Rita...






From kristilynn5 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 16:46:10 2002
From: kristilynn5 at yahoo.com (Kristi Smith)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:46:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqeot8+b7jq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021108164610.1067.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com>


 
 alora <chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com> wrote:

OoOOOoooo  don't you LOVE the Flourish and BLotts scene where he 
says, "Now, now, Draco, play nicely."

Was this in a clip I have missed?  I would love to see it if you have a link.

Thanks, Kristi in Utah

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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 18:01:06 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 18:01:06 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <20021108164610.1067.qmail@web40307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aqgu52+tgti@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Kristi Smith <kristilynn5 at y...> wrote:
> Was this in a clip I have missed?  I would love to see it if you 
have a link.
> 
> Thanks, Kristi in Utah
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Kristi, 

there's the link to the Yahoo! Chamber of Secrets page, I hope I did 
it right.  Click on the "Sneak Peek" box and it will take you to all 
the clips.

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1807858489&cf=trailer

It's the "We meet at Last"  clip!  It's sooooo good.

Alora




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 18:05:16 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 18:05:16 -0000
Subject: Lucius
Message-ID: <aqgucs+75bi@eGroups.com>

This may be a silly question, but how is Lucius Malfoy pronounced in 
the UK?  I noticed (when watching the clip for the hundredth time) 
that Jasan Isaacs says "lew-see-ous"  and others say "lew-shous".  I 
hope that makes sense.  Does it just depend on the person 
pronoucning?  I mean, do they pronounce it the way they want to?  
Just curious...


Alora




From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov  8 19:52:01 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:52:01 -0000
Subject: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
Message-ID: <aqh4l1+437u@eGroups.com>

S
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S
P
A
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Please don't be too made but I've just got back from seeing the first 
showing of THE MOVIE........ its not good ITS BETTER THAN FANTASTIC.  
My imagination has been running riot for weeks and I can honestly say 
that it knocked anything I thought it would be into a cocked hat.  
Seeing the trailers hundreds of times and all the clips that were 
posted on the web hasn't in any way reduced my enjoyment of this 
superb film.  The standard of the acting by Dan, Rupert and Emma was 
brilliant and the confrontation between Harry and Tom Riddle in the 
Chamber was so emotional and so POWERFUL!  Wow!  I know it's gonna 
drive you guys nuts in the states but its worth it.  And as for 
Aragog............ yuck!  I'm none too fond of spiders at the best of 
times but there they're just incredible!

By the way.......... stay to the end of the VERY long titles cos 
there's an extra scene right at the very end and its worth the wait.

Fiona Potter
(sorry but its my real surname!)




From orlaquirke2002 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 19:52:46 2002
From: orlaquirke2002 at yahoo.com (Anna Hemmant)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 19:52:46 -0000
Subject: CoS Spoiler may be included(!!!)
Message-ID: <aqh4me+c3d0@eGroups.com>

Hey gang.

Came back from the movie half an hour ago, and it was really good!At 
the end, where Dobby stops Lucius from touching Harry, all of the 
auditorium clapped, but then Malfoy did fly a good 15 feet backwards! 
Dobby really did steal the show whenever he was on screen. I did hear 
one American lady say that the film was better than the book, and  
although I have to dissagree with that statement (no one shall defile 
the name of JK Rowling in my prescence) it was excellent and a must 
see for any HP fan. It is better than the first film, which is an 
achievement in my opinion, since CoS is my least favourite of the 
books and I would say it is almost as good as the book, high praise 
from me indeed. 
The only fault I can pick at is that it was not long enough, but then 
no Harry Potter film can be since no one has the time to make a film 
that will last my entire life! 
It really was a joy to watch, and I have not seen as good a childrens 
film since Matilda. I hope you'll forgive me my nonsensical gushing 
and that you'll all be seriously jealous (Snape style evil laugh).

Anna 




From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 20:03:14 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:03:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
In-Reply-To: <aqh4l1+437u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021108200314.26230.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Fiona,
Just saw your post on the Potte rlist and *had* to
ask---Does Snape find Harry & Ron after they crash the car?
 
If they don't have Rickman saying that "Or maybe he's right
here wondering why you two didn't arrive on the school
train" line I'll be depressed forever. I've been hearing
that voice say that line in my head for months and months.

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From stevebinch at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  8 20:14:30 2002
From: stevebinch at hotmail.com (stevebinch)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:14:30 -0000
Subject: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/casting
In-Reply-To: <005601c28523$c2fb64c0$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <aqh5v6+3fi6@eGroups.com>

Does anyone else think that Clive Owen could be a rad Remus or 
Serius? For those who don't know who he is, he is the driver in the 
BMW Films on BMWFilms.com. His role in those films is rather James 
Bond-esque, but in one film called Powder Keg, he strikes me as Remus-
ish. Then upon thinking about it, with the right makeup, I think he 
could also do the role of Serius justice. What do you guys think?

-Steve B




From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Fri Nov  8 21:14:07 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 Nov 2002 21:14:07 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
Message-ID: <1036790047.247.83585.w72@yahoogroups.com>


Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Obligatory 'What did you think of the 
COS movie?' poll 

  o Better than the book 
  o Equal to the book, though obviously different 
  o Good on its own merits, but not as good as the book 
  o Okay on its own merits 
  o Bad on its own merits 
  o Unspeakably disgraceful 
  o I haven't read the book (shame on me!), but it stands to reason that I probably thought the film was good if I joined HPfGU specifically because of the film. 


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From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Fri Nov  8 21:17:11 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 8 Nov 2002 21:17:11 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

How do the first two HP films compare? 

  o The second film is so drastically superior to the first that it's hard to believe the same people created it. 
  o The second film is substantially better than the first. 
  o The second film is a slight improvement over the first. 
  o The second film is a slight decline from the first. 
  o The second film is substantially worse than the first. 
  o The second film is so drastically inferior to the first that it's hard to believe the same people created it. 
  o They are equally wondrous beyond description. 
  o They are equally average . . . uh, beyond description. Yeah. 
  o They are equally awful--perhaps not beyond description, but beyond the limits of describing with civilized language. 


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From kechelsen at aol.com  Fri Nov  8 22:09:45 2002
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:09:45 -0000
Subject: Trelawny casting
In-Reply-To: <aqeuv0+82v2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqhcn9+iqqk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
<Of course you're right, it was Juliet Stephenson.
 
Please excuse me while I go off to bang my head against the wall 
Dobby fashion...

Oh heck. My brain is not working properly today. I wonder why. :-) 
Actually, it's not what you think. I'm under tremendous pressure to 
finish a bunch of stuff on a project and I really should NOT be 
reading mailing lists, but finishing my work. But I needed a break - 
fat lot of good it did me!)>

No worries... I know what it's like to have a lot of things running 
through the ole brainbox.  I myself have been slaving over my sewing 
machine this week trying to finish a fancy dress to wear to a ball 
I'm going to on Sunday night.


<< I agree, she's a bit sweet for Rita Skeeter, but it would be 
interesting to see her play against type.>>

Who, Juliet Stephenson or Emma Thompson? :-) 

Ooops, sorry, I was referring to Emma Thompson.  I don't know Juliet 
Stephenson's work.

Kathy




From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 22:28:35 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:28:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sorry
In-Reply-To: <20021108200314.26230.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021108222835.85013.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry everyone....

I am positive I changed the address to post that Spoiler
question to Fiona off-list. *sigh* I think Yahoomort is
castign evil spells my way.

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From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  8 23:14:30 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kelly broughton)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:14:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sorry
In-Reply-To: <20021108222835.85013.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021108231430.33973.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>

I readily forgive you, bc that is a good question! I would love to know
the answer myself. 

I also have another one, and anyone who actually knows can answer it: Does
Peeves appear in this movie? Since no one has mentioned that he will be, I
am in doubt.
-kel

--- Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry everyone....
> 
> I am positive I changed the address to post that Spoiler
> question to Fiona off-list. *sigh* I think Yahoomort is
> castign evil spells my way.
> 
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From sequoiajw at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  9 00:17:52 2002
From: sequoiajw at yahoo.com (Mizz Jackson)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:17:52 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/casting
References: <aqh5v6+3fi6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003101c28785$8d4c8e80$162367ce@gj1011405onem>

Steve B wrote:

>>Does anyone else think that Clive Owen could be a rad Remus or
Serius? For those who don't know who he is, he is the driver in the
BMW Films on BMWFilms.com. His role in those films is rather James
Bond-esque, but in one film called Powder Keg, he strikes me as
Remus-ish. Then upon thinking about it, with the right makeup, I think
he could also do the role of Serius justice. What do you guys think?<<

I have always thought there has to be a role for Clive Owen in the HP
films. What I mull over is just which role would be right for him,
though. For a long time I favored him for Remus and I suppose he COULD
do a fairly tortured Sirius. On the other hand, he might even make a
fine (although kind of thin) Ludo Bagman, too, if he went back to the
blonde look he had in the beginning of The Croupier. Or even Barty
Crouch Jr. Something to ponder, since he's a wonderful actor!

ms. j.





From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Nov  9 00:19:29 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:19:29 -0000
Subject: SPOILERS Encore
In-Reply-To: <20021108231430.33973.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aqhkah+ijd3@eGroups.com>

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--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., kelly broughton <kellybroughton at y...> wrote:
> I readily forgive you, bc that is a good question! I would love to 
know  the answer myself. 
> 
> I also have another one, and anyone who actually knows can answer 
it: Does Peeves appear in this movie? Since no one has mentioned that 
he will be, I  am in doubt.
> -kel

The answer to both questions is a big fat no. There are no singing 
dwarves, obviously no Death Day Scene, and the Dursley and Weasley 
home beginning is very much shortened.

READ BELOW ONLY IF YPU WANT MORE OF THE PLOT REVEALED:-

If you've read any of the reviews, believe them. It really is much 
funnier and darker. The cinema was filled with loud raucous laughter 
for much of the first 10 minutes or so, and spasmodically throughout 
the film. The spider scene is not for arachnaphobes - the bloke next 
to me had his face in his hands and looked quite white knuckled. I 
don't mind spiders, but did find myself a bit grossed out.

IMO Kenneth Branagh, Jason Issacs and Christian Coulson were all 
brilliant, and I find myself wishing they were in it more. I felt 
that Richard Harris did actually look really quite ill and didn't 
notice much in the way of twinkling eyes.

As much as I liked Dan Radcliffe in PS, sometimes I did wonder about 
his acting. This time I thought he was great, he has really matured 
alot. All my husband could criticise was the way that his makeup 
hadn't quite managed to hide that teenage disease - spots! Rupert 
Grint was again very funny, to the extent that I begin to wonder if 
he can play straight. He was very enjoyable to watch though. 

Emma Watson annoyed me. It wasn't anything the actress did, but she 
said several lines I knew weren't hers in the book, and then...

When Harry says "Voldemort" to Mr Malfoy in Flourish & Blotts, 
Hermione pipes up saying something like fear of the name increases 
fear of the thing itself. As the book Hermione just won't say 
Voldemort that annoyed me. It also annoyed me when she cried after 
being called a "Mudblood". I supposse they were trying to convey how 
bad this name was, but the LOON in me couldn't accept it.

The scene in the Chamber of Secrets is excellent, and in a way I wish 
the film had ended there. The final scene in the Great Hall to borrow 
the words of one critic was "Cheesey". The infamous Harry/Hermione 
hug was followed by Hermione and Ron shaking hands - clearly setting 
themselves up for "something" later. Harry saying that there could be 
no Hogwarts without Hagrid IMO kissed good bye to Hagrid in Book 5 - 
but then I thought that anyway. 

I don't know whether the wording will be changed at all for the US 
audience, but it did amuse me when Ginny asked where her jumper was, 
and also when Prof McGonagall used "Sherbet Lemon" for Dumbledore's 
password.

Very minor nitpick: I can't imagine any British schoolkid calling a 
teacher "Maam" or calling their uncle "sir", but that is only a tiny 
nitpick.

I really enjoyed the film - and was quite stressed out before hand. 
We got there 40 minutes early, but only managed to get seats 5 rows 
from the front because the queues were so big. There was cheering at 
the end of the film, and I heard several people planning to see it 
again. Clearly, Pottermania is alive and well in Reading. I felt 
myself being pulled through many of the scenes. As I was still 
thinking "but what about the...", we had moved on. The pace is fast, 
and I really didn't notice the time.

If you loved PS/SS you'll really love CoS. If you didn't love PS, 
then this might just win you over.

Ali

Thinking that having to wait a whole week before seeing it again is 
too long.

(Hubby's verdict: excellent, and big stupid grin, but unsure whether 
I should take our 5 year old to see it).







From hal.9000 at angelfire.com  Sat Nov  9 00:21:41 2002
From: hal.9000 at angelfire.com (Hal9000)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:21:41 -0000
Subject: Remus Lupin/Sirius Black/casting
In-Reply-To: <aqh5v6+3fi6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqhkel+4n6i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "stevebinch" <stevebinch at h...> wrote:
> Does anyone else think that Clive Owen could be a rad Remus or 
> Serius? For those who don't know who he is, he is the driver in the 
> BMW Films on BMWFilms.com. His role in those films is rather James 
> Bond-esque, but in one film called Powder Keg, he strikes me as 
Remus-
> ish. Then upon thinking about it, with the right makeup, I think he 
> could also do the role of Serius justice. What do you guys think?
> 
> -Steve B

Oh, yes, Steve.  Clive Owen is *always* welcome. :)

Hal.




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Nov  9 10:54:06 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:54:06 -0000
Subject: SPOILERS Encore - oh yeah, Fudge
In-Reply-To: <aqhkah+ijd3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqipge+f7hm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> SP
> OI
> LE
> R
> SP
> AC
> E

Still thinking and buzzing about CoS. Thought I should mention Fudge. 
I was very disappointed. He seemed rather more like a policeman come 
to take Hagrid away than the Minister of Magic. He made no attempt to 
thwart Lucius' taking of Dumbledore. In fact he says nothing. I was 
left with the impression that Lucius was in charge, not Fudge. I know 
Robert Hardy can play bumbling high placed fools very well, but all I 
saw was a one-dimensional character.

I don't think it would matter which camp you are in - Fudge is ever 
so evil, Fudge= Chamberlain. The Fudge we see here is under Lucius. I 
hope that they make more effort with him in PoA.

Ali

who still thinks it was a great film even after a few hours sleep and 
a chance to nitpick even more.




From lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  9 14:44:39 2002
From: lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com (lindseyharrisst)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:44:39 -0000
Subject: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER (mini-review)
In-Reply-To: <20021108200314.26230.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aqj70n+10lja@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:

> If they don't have Rickman saying that "Or maybe he's right
> here wondering why you two didn't arrive on the school
> train" line I'll be depressed forever. I've been hearing
> that voice say that line in my head for months and months.

 I'm not Fiona, butI saw the movie yesterday night and I must say, the
answer is no. Filch does it instead, but don't panic, there is more
snape than I was expecting and the duel scene is wonderful. Dear Alan
seems to have decided to camp it up a bit. When he says
(paraphrasing)"perhaps someone from my own house would be more
suitable (than Neviile, to demonstrate a duel)he does a gesture which
is sooo funny coming from him. It's a sort of exagerated shrug from
the elbows - you'll see what I mean when you see the movie. I think 
maybe he felt obliged to keep up with Branagh as lockhart in terms of
animated performance. He also gets to do the bit from the book where
he talks to Harry about the appearance in the daily prophet of the
flying anglia.
I think Arthur Weasley and Madame Pomfrey were excellently cast. The
latter was, I now recall, Mrs Fairfax in an television adaptation of
Jane Eyre  on Britih TV and exudes the same air of maternal concern
and benevolence that I thought was really touching and appropriate. It
made no difference that the image I had of her from the books was of a
slightly younger woman with a curvier figure and a more no-nonsense,
less demonstratively compassionate manner.
I just could not get used to Lucius Malfoy's hair. It seemed to remind
me of a singer from an 80s new romantic band, though his actual
performance was faultlessly sneering. A few small details have, as
ever, been changed in order to reduce the running time or accomodate
the fact that film is a visual medium and some things just are n't
"filmic" enough. Mainly I accepted these and they made for a faster
paced film than the last one. Only a few irked because I could think
of no reason for them. Examples include the scene mentioned earlier
when it is Filch who first confronts the duo and the scene at the end
where Harry gives the diary to Lucius andd he rips the sock off the
outside and throws it away so Dobby catches it. The sock is actually
in the diary between the pages in the film, and it is the book that is
handed to Dobby. This does n't matter I know, but that's the point
really. If it makes no difference, why not do it properly? Mercifull
Dobby was not the Jar Jar Binks of this film.
The ministrer of magic was played by the chap who was Siegfried Farnon
in english television's adaptation of James Herriot's books. he was
shorter and less fat than I had pictured and you got the sense that he
was put-upon and nervous, rather than too sure of himself and unaware
of his ignorance, which is the way JK portrays him and the way he
needs to be for his actions at the end of book 4 to seem understandable.
Still, there is very little of him in CoS, so it is n't fair to judge
 so soon, perhaps.
The sets are very good, and they coped well with the need to have an
entrance to the chamber of secrets from the sink in Myrtle's bathroom.
They had the sinks in a cricle facing out from a stone column, giving
the effect of a sort of font, which was lowered into the ground when
Harry spoke parseltongue. Moaning Myrtle was just right and portrayed
as both annoying and over sensitive- not wholly unlikable. 
No ghosts feature except Nearly Headless Nick. 

Loads more to say but I'll leave someone else to do it since I'm tired
of typing for now.What did everyone else think (not that I need to ask
for feedback:)?
 
Snapesangel
 




From lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  9 14:50:09 2002
From: lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com (lindseyharrisst)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:50:09 -0000
Subject: Lucius
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "alora" <chrisnlorrie at y...> wrote:
> This may be a silly question, but how is Lucius Malfoy pronounced in 
> the UK?  I noticed (when watching the clip for the hundredth time) 
> that Jasan Isaacs says "lew-see-ous"  and others say "lew-shous".  I 
> hope that makes sense.  Does it just depend on the person 
> pronoucning?  I mean, do they pronounce it the way they want to?  
> Just curious...
> 
> 
> Alora

As a brit, I don't think it matters, i think it just depends on how
fast you say it and how much you pronounce all the syllables of words
generally. There is (as far as I know) no US/ UK  distinction.
For the record I've always called him "lew-see-ous".
Snapesangel




From obby at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Nov  9 15:19:07 2002
From: obby at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Thorp)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:19:07 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SPOILERS Encore
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A> SP
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A couple of nitpicks.. well not nitpicks as such, but points, about
CoS :)

First off, I was surprised when Harry released Dobby, and Lucius
actually started the first half of Avada Kedavra! I'm sure (very sure)
that he said 'Avada' before Dobby used elf-magic to throw him
backwards a few hundred feet :)

Other than that, the casting of Arthur/Molly Weaselly was excellent,
even if I would have put someone a bit thinner as Arthur, Mark
Williams played the part very well :) Another casting point, too,
Shirley Henderson was an excellent Myrtle, although Im sure her voice
was enhanced somehow, she played the part very well.

All of the Trio actors have got a lot better (acting lessons paid for
by salaries from the first film? :) acting wise, but the actress that
stole the show (for me) was Bonnie Wright (Ginny). She outclassed all
of the trio, and didn't overact or anything.. I was very impressed :)

Also, the Hagrid-Returns-from-Azkaban bit, was not well done at all
(imo), Hagrid did not look at all like he'd been under the command of
dementors for however long it was, his voice was hardly affected, and
there were only some semi-heavy bags under his eyes.

The Qudditch scene was excellent, especially the Rogue Bludger
smashing through Oliver's broom, and the chase between Dan & Tom,
which was a very adrenaline-rushy scene :)

And the Ron/Hermione 'hand shake'. How much blatant foreshadowing is
that :) You'll know what I mean when you see the film...

Was very good though, and I think I'll find it hard to beat (until PoA
:) the sort of tingly feeling as the opening credits came up :)

Oh, and you **must** when you go to see it, stay until the very end of
the credits.. There is an brilliantly amusing little scene at the end
of the reel, and you'll avoid the droves leaving the cinema! :)

-Rich
msn: obbles at hotmail.com




From tinajgr at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  9 19:12:18 2002
From: tinajgr at yahoo.com (Tina)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 11:12:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Important Negative Spoilers Request
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Hello fellow Harry Potter fans!
I'm very, *very* pleased with the wonderful, positive reviews I'm hearing from our fellow British friends. It makes me feel excited and more anxious for the fifteenth, and I wish it could arrive faster! I so can't wait!
My request, however, is this: I would like would like for anyone who has seen the movie at an early screening in America, or has already seen the movie in Britian (I hate you guys... ;)) to please send me any *negative* reviews about CoS. What had scenes and/or lines had changed, how the character reacts to the situation/to another character's comment/question, etc, that's *totally* different from the book. *Anything* that you didn't like from the movie that's different from the book is what I *really* need to hear.
This is very important, crucial information for me to have. Why? Well, last year, I read a very long list from a Harry Potter fan site that told me what was different from the first movie compared to the book. And I was very, *very* pleased to know what had been changed, because I would have been very upset and not have enjoyed the movie as much if I *hadn't* read that list. Knowing what's different in the movie compared to the book helps me a *lot*, because it prepares me for what is to come, and I find myself enjoying it a lot better.
If you want to contact me, you may either email me offlist or here, if the Mods don't mind. My email address is tinajgr at yahoo.com (I didn't write my email address normally - tinajgr at yahoo.com - because Y!'s Groups takes off any email address that's shown in the message section at the HP4GU Movie's Groups page for your privacy). I would sincerely very much appreciate this if anyone wants to volunteer and tell me what's been changed. Thank *you* so very much! :)
~Tina



"I went off and read the [Harry Potter] books after the audition and I read all four books in one sitting - you know - didn't wash, didn't eat, drove around with them on the steering wheel like a lunatic. I suddenly understood why my friends, who I'd thought where slightly backward, had been so addicted to these books. They're like crack." -Jason Isaacs, Lucius Malfoy in Chamber of Secrets 
"The first movie, I wanted more Alan Rickman," [director Chris] Columbus said. "The second movie, I wanted more Alan Rickman. But we focused on the story, which follows the kids."



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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  9 20:22:07 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 12:22:07 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
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Hi,

Saturday, November 09, 2002, 11:12:18 AM, tinajgr at yahoo.com wrote:

> My request, however, is this: I would like would like for anyone who
> has seen the movie at an early screening in America, or has already
> seen the movie in Britian (I hate you guys... ;)) to please send me
> any *negative* reviews about CoS. What had scenes and/or lines had
> changed, how the character reacts to the situation/to another
> character's comment/question, etc, that's *totally* different from the
> book. *Anything* that you didn't like from the movie that's different
> from the book is what I *really* need to hear.

Actually, can we have any and all reviews on list?

Or is there a rule about just positive reviews being posted,
that I have missed?

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From prefectmarcus at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  9 20:58:16 2002
From: prefectmarcus at yahoo.com (Marcus )
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 20:58:16 -0000
Subject: The perfect Trelawney Casting
Message-ID: <aqjst8+osfl@eGroups.com>

I know most HP fans are anxious to know who gets the parts of Loony, 
Padfoot, and Wormtail.  Myself, I really don't care.  Any number of 
fine, established British actors could step right in and do a 
credible job.  The part I am most interested in is Trelawney.  It's 
a great role full of subtlety.  

The person who plays Trelawney needs to be a certain body type.  She 
has to be tall.  She has to be slender.  She needs to be able to 
glide across the floor like she is on wheels.  That takes a huge 
amount of body control.

There are constant references to her eyes.  She can't just do bug-
eyed.  She has act with them a great deal.

You can't just put any old comedic actress into the part.  It is not 
an out and out comedy role.  There really isn't anything ditzy about 
Trelawney.  Think of her "duel" with McGonagall at the Christmas 
feast.  There has to be a great deal of subtlety or the part is 
ruined.  There can be no mugging for the camera.

Perhaps most important, she has to go toe-to-toe with some of the 
most prestigious thespians that England has.  The adult cast list 
reads like a who's who of British theatre.  Maggie Smith, Alan 
Rickman, and Fiona Shaw (to name just a few) all have extremely 
strong stage presence.  These are immensely strong people, guys.  
Trelawney will need a strong actress just to keep from getting 
overshadowed like whats-his-name in the "Prince of Thieves" was 
totally blown away by Alan Rickman.  Could Emma Chambers hold her 
own against these guys?  Who knows?

Let me suggest a dark horse candidate.  Lucy Lawless!  Yep, Xena 
herself.  I think she could pull it off better than about anybody.  
Of course, she is not British, she's a New Zealander, but the accent 
is close enough for most of the world.






From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Nov  9 21:04:40 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:04:40 -0000
Subject: CoS Not a spolier.  Brief and justifiably so.
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Message-ID: <aqjt98+agrs@eGroups.com>

Whenever you go so see Chamber of Secrets, stay until the very very 
end OK?

There's a funny.

Felicia




From jonathandupont at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  9 21:43:08 2002
From: jonathandupont at hotmail.com (jonathandupont)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:43:08 -0000
Subject: My COS Review
Message-ID: <aqjvhc+mjvo@eGroups.com>

I really don't get this previews thing here in the UK at all, but I 
guess I ought to be grateful. I just don't get what exactly the point 
is.

Anyhow ...

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Okay, those thoughts are going to be completely random, and just be 
written down as they come out of my head.

- I liked the cloud motif they used at the beginning and at two later 
places to cut between scenes. Nice way to use the flying car thing.

- They really used a lot of John Williams music again, didn't they? 
The only new theme I remember is Fawke's. OTOH I think the score was 
probably better arranged overall due to the lack of Hedwig's Theme 
being repeated again and again and ...

- I can't really complain about much in the film up till they get to 
Hogwarts. I especially liked can't-remember-his-name as Arthur 
Wealey, and Jason Isaacs just managed to get away with that 
ridiculous sceptre contraption

- Except, of course, for Daniel Radcliffe's acting. The more I watch 
the original (which admittedly is only three times overall), the less 
I'm impressed. He just doesn't have sufficient timing or emotion and 
I'm very worried about how he's gonna handle stuff in POA. I hate it 
when not so good main actors ruin good acting (see "Angel").

- Rupert Grint is still very good at what he does, although I felt 
they traded in a bit too much on things from the first film. And he 
only really has one comedic expression which gets tired. When he does 
something different, he's good enough though, although I'm not sure 
what he's like with serious stuff. I wouldn't want to change him, 
anyhow.

- I'm trying to remember if I had problems with Emma Watson in the 
first movie. Whatever, she was pretty much perfect in this one, 
although she has hardly any screen time. However, the writing for her 
wasn't particularly that sharp. Quite a few times they made her use 
too many long words just for the sake of it. Oh, and not particularly 
interesting fact - I have a friend who has a friend who is her 
cousin. Apparently they get lots of sneak showings and general free 
goodies.

- Steve Kloves shows absolutely no sign of relenting from the main 
flaws of the first movie - the complete lack of the school element of 
the story and his eradication of much of the books' humour. Split 
into two:- 

a)It amazes me that whenever a JKR line is left in it always provokes 
more of a laugh, yet many are changed for no good reason (... "Or 
maybe he's waiting to hear why two didn't arrive on the school 
train", "Which goes to show that the best of us must sometimes eat 
our words" etc.)

b) Dumbledore still keenly misses his humourous side. Even worse, 
Fred and George just don't appear, which IMO unbalances the story 
rather a lot. It annoys me that there's only left a rather weak 
homage to perhaps my favourite moment in the series ("Make way for 
the Heir of Slytherin, seriously evil wizard coming through...")

c) Related to the above, Kloves really, really needs to discover the 
power of the MONTAGE. Or just a short inbetween scene. In this movie 
its all EVENT EVENT EVENT, basically the chapter titles from the book 
are taken and shown. But this is not really what has created the 
richest fandom I know - it is the world. We need small scenes of them 
in the corridors - Fred & George's random comments, Peeves to a 
lesser extent, Percy and Penelope, Ginny and her crush, and so on. 
The last is especially important, as without it the end of the movie 
may seem unfair to the audience.

- Kenneth Branagh rocks too, come to think of it. Not quite how I'd 
have intepreted the character, but good enough. What I was going on 
about above does mean he's missing from the middle, which is not 
good. And of course there's even less Snape and so on.

- A rather silly moment in the Polyjuice scene where Harry stays in 
sight while Ron and Hermione run away, just because they can't afford 
the budget. They could have tried to put a slight better reason in 
for them to suddenty disappear :) The morphing shot itself was good.

- The special effects are very much improved. Even Dobby's CGI isn't 
that bad, and I liked the monster at the end. According to interviews 
I had the impression that they had changed more in this one for the 
action sequences, whereas I felt this time they were much more in the 
spirit of the book rather than the complete changes to the finale we 
had last time. It was good stop, although I missed "Do you see what 
he's doing, Potter? He's crying."

- I love long movies but I think the end was a bit too long in this 
one, so that the structure felt unbalance. By that, I mean the time 
after they've left the Chamber. I'm glad that they at least didn't go 
through the house points again. I think they really shouldn't have 
written in such a long Lucius scene - the time could have been used 
better earlier on. 

- The hug ... Or lack of a hug. When I first heard about this, it was 
talked up as a H/H moment. As it is, presuming Steve Kloves has 
talked to JKR, it's a pretty clear confirmation that in GOF Hermione 
returns Ron's feelings (insert the word 'crush', if your bias goes 
the other way). I think. Of course that's a shipping comment, so I'm 
sure someone can probably argue it down.

- Having Hagrid returning as the end I don't think really worked - we 
just hadn't seen enough of him in this one. It wasn't like PS where 
he was appearing every five seconds, and I don't really see the rest 
of the school being that affectionate to him, anyway. I'm also very 
worried, after someone pointed it out, that he's now doomed in Book 5.

- Overall, I thought that it was very enjoyable and taken as a sequel 
and not a standalone probably a better experience than the first. I'm 
really looking forward to seeing what they do with POA. OTOH I don't 
think they'll ever replace the books (which I'm currently very 
tempted to read again, come to think of it). These thoughts may look 
negative, but that's because there's a lot more to say about stuff 
that went wrong. :) If I haven't complained about it, that's because 
I think it was perfect, and there was a lot of stuff I didn't 
complain about.

Good work.

Next up : Book Five

Jon 





From wynnde1 at aol.com  Sat Nov  9 23:08:31 2002
From: wynnde1 at aol.com (wynnde1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:08:31 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
Message-ID: <3b.2f7388ab.2afeef6f@aol.com>

Hello, Everyone,

This is my first posting to this group - I've been a member of the main group 
for several months now, though. As I saw the movie last night (in Edinburgh), 
I thought I'd reply to this request for things I noticed that were changed 
from the book. This will be off the top of my head, having seen the movie 
only once, so it won't be a complete list, but just the ones which I really 
noticed and remembered. 

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The sequence at the Dursley's is much shortened from the book, but retains 
it's integrity, IMO. The film begins only a few minutes before the arrival of 
the Mason's, so the entire afternoon preceding this (which appears in the 
book) is missing.

At least one day later (not sure - it may have been more than one day) Harry 
is rescued by the Weasleys, and Ron tells Harry "Happy Birthday" - in the 
book, Harry's birthday is the day of the Mason's visit, not the day he's 
rescued. Then again, in the film, maybe Ron is just wishing him a belated 
birthday. It's difficult to tell.

Harry does floo to Knockturn Alley, but the whole scene with the Malfoys 
talking to Borgin is not there. I really like that scene, and was 
disappointed that it was deleted.

The scene in Flourish and Blotts is much changed - Hermione gets some lines 
that aren't hers in the book, there is no physical fight between Malfoy and 
Weasley seniors, to name a few of the changes.

They added a bit of visual excitement (Harry hanging out the door, etc.) to 
the actual car flight.

It is Filch, not Snape, who "greets" H & R upon their arrival at Hogwarts, so 
we miss out on my favourite scene in the whole series so far, when R & H 
speculate that perhaps Snape has been sacked, and he comes up behind them. 
Although, we do get Snape telling them off for flying the car to school and 
making the newspaper. I do think they made some changes which put Snape in a 
bit more negative light than the way it reads in the book - in the film, 
Dumbledore seems to chastise Severus a bit for the way he reacts to H & R's 
arrival, in the book it seems that Dumbledore is merely amused by Snape's 
reaction.

(Okay - this is admittedly nitpicky) - Gryffindor is shown having Herbology 
with the Slytherins (in the book, it's with Hufflepuff). 

When called a "mudblood" by Draco, Hermione already knows what the term means 
and she's the one who explains it to Harry.

Deathday party and Peeves completely missing from film. 

Dueling club scene changed a bit, but IMO is one of the best scenes in the 
movie. 

Here's an interesting one . . . during Quidditch match, Lucius is shown 
sitting next to Snape in the stands. I just flipped through my copy of CoS, 
and don't find any mention of Lucius. Sure, it doesn't seem strange that 
Lucius would be there - his son's first appearance as seeker, after all - but 
why create something and stick it in? Are we meant to surmise that Snape and 
Malfoy are friends? Did the writer just want to give Malfoy more airtime to 
let us know how important he is to the story? It seems that with all the 
cutting they did in other places, to stick something like this in must have 
some significance.

Also, I thought the actual Quidditch looked better, but that far too much 
time was spent on the bit with the bludger chasing Harry (with Draco right 
behind). That scene seemed to go on FOREVER with them zooming around the 
inside of the stands, and I was thinking that time could have been better 
spent on dialogue elsewhere in the movie.

Binns is absent from the film, and the scene where we learn the history of 
the Chamber takes place in one of MacGonagall's transfiguration classes.
 
H & R don't hide in a cupboard in the staff room to overhear the news about 
Ginny being taken to the Chamber. That scene takes place in a school 
corridor.

As someone has already mentioned, the bit with Dobby getting the sock at the 
end is changed. And I didn't catch Lucius saying "Avada" (but will listen 
more closely next time), but I was really surprised that he was obviously 
really trying to kill Harry. In the book, he yells and lunges, but doesn't 
get any further than that before Dobby blasts him.

I'm not sure what they were thinking with the whole ending. Hagrid comes back 
from Azkaban and gets a loving ovation from the whole student population. As 
someone else wrote, it was pretty cheesy. And when Hermione returns, she 
gives Harry an enthusiastic hug, and then she and Ron do this awkward "oops, 
can't hug, must shake hands" thing which seems to definitely be setting up a 
ship. I found it really overdone and distracting. Actually, I pretty much 
disliked the entire final scene.  Plus, I don't think anyone was in their 
pajamas, as they are in the book.

I'm sure there are plenty of others that I've missed here, but those are the 
ones which struck me the most. 

A few other things I'll say in the way of a review . . . on the whole, I 
liked the movie but didn't love it the way I did PS. There are a lot of 
scenes where I was distracted by certain characters being overacted. I had a 
big problem with Tom Felton in this regard (which surprised me, because I 
thought he was fab in PS). So much of his dialogue just seemed poorly 
delivered - I blame that on the direction, however, and not on Tom. I also 
found it distracting where, in many spots, the dialogue from the book was 
changed, usually (IMO) to lesser effect. Why fix something that isn't broken? 
One good example of this is in the scene in the Chamber, I think the dialogue 
in the book when Harry says that Dumbledore is the greatest wizard ever is 
MUCH more effective than the way it is done in the film. There are LOTS of 
other places where I though they should have stuck with the original 
dialogue, as well. (I also find it a bit scary that I know the dialogue well 
enough to spot the changes when it's not word for word) <G>.

I also agree with whomever posted that Rupert Grint seems to have only one 
comedic expression, and it is definitely tired now. (But I still enjoyed his 
performance as Ron - I actually find movie!Ron more endearing than I do 
book!Ron). Also, Moaning Myrtle REALLY annoyed the heck out of me. She wasn't 
how I pictured her at all, and I found her voice really got on my nerves. But 
then, maybe it's SUPPOSED to do that, so I'm not sure I'm really criticising 
her performance. And there wasn't enough Snape, but I'm telling myself that's 
okay as I know we'll get PLENTY of FANTASTIC Snape scenes in PoA (ooh - 
temper tantrums and flying saliva and snarkiness - I can hardly wait). 
Besides, I'm not sure there is such a thing as "enough" Snape. <G>

On the positive side, Arthur wasn't at all how I pictured him but I LOVED him 
anyway. And Jason Isaacs as Lucius was simply DELICIOUS! Really sneery and 
awful and obviously evil and (will I get flamed for saying?) Dead Sexy. Okay. 
I do hate Lucius, I promise. But that doesn't mean he's not sexy. The long 
hair was a bit off-putting, (I'd always pictured him with short hair), but by 
the end of the film I'd gotten to really like it. Dobby was also not as I'd 
pictured him, but was well done and believable, IMO. And the Basilisk looked 
really good and was TERRIFYING! I jumped out of my seat with a shriek more 
than once. (And the spiders got at least one shriek out of me, as well). 

As I said, on first viewing I didn't enjoy this movie as much as the first 
one. However, I also know that I was being distracted by noticing changes 
from the book, and that once I get used to those things being different, I 
may be able to enjoy the movie more. So I plan to see it a couple more times 
before passing a final judgement. I did enjoy the film, the effects were MUCH 
better than the first, and there were some really edge-of-your-seat exciting 
moments in this film, which is something I never felt about PS. 

Hope this helps, and I hope that it's an appropriate first post from me. I 
really look forward to hearing more about what others think of the film!

Wendy St. John


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov 10 02:18:14 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:18:14 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
References: <3b.2f7388ab.2afeef6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014c01c2885f$72a0b2c0$02a0cdd1@istu757>


Okay, I can't wait any longer. A couple of questions for those of you who
have seen the movie.

1) Does Harry get drenched with the pudding?
2) How is the basilisk fang thing?  Does it go into Harry's arm like it's
supposed to?      Does Harry look the least bit like he's dying?
3) What about the Quidditch scene, does Harry just crash into the ground,
faint like
    he's supposed to, or just fall off the broom?

That's all the questions I can think of for now.  I'm sure there will be
more later. :)

Richelle


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"May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."
---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
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From obby at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov 10 03:08:03 2002
From: obby at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Thorp)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:08:03 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
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References: <20021109191218.58558.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <192211282984.20021110030803@blueyonder.co.uk>

Saturday, November 9, 2002, 7:12:18 PM, Tina wrote:

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Mostly agree with the other peeps, so will keep this short :)

The fang bit is cool, it does go thru his arm, and it does look like
hes dying, to me..

I don't like the way the Slytherins are portrayed.. They're bigger
antagonists than Snape and Voldemort combined and doubled.. As much as
I don't like Malfoy jnr, I'd like to think he's savable (not Malfoy
snr, hes evil to the core, but snivelling evil, not Voldemort evil :))
he is shown as completely devoid of nice human emotions.. But feh.

Also the fact that there ARE only two houses, almost.. Gryffindor and
Slytherin.. Potions, Transfiguration, everything is with the
Slytherins.. Can they get the trio much closer to hell? I think not!
Obviously an attempt to cut prices/time on the extras, but a bit
grating.. Also the not knowing what Harry says when he speaks
parseltongue isnt so nice..

And I **really** hate the way they handled the mudblood scene.. It was
*awful*. It should have been akin to standing up in the middle of a
room and calling someone a b**tard or something similar, complete and
utter shock that someone would be uncultured enough to use such a
dirty phrase in such company... Not a mild 'hrm' and some crying
later.. Hermione crying later on completely outweighed the reaction to
the actual word...

Wow this is turning into a longer mail than I meant :) Also, the
Hagrid-returns-from-Azkaban scene? Awful with a capital A. It was
Awful, because there was UTTERLY NO DIFFERENCE between normal!Hagrid
and post-Azkaban!Hagrid. And the cheese was amazing, the whole school
giving such respect to the Gamekeeper.. Including the Slytherins
(though not Malfoy, he has to stop Crabbe/Goyle too).. Really out of
character in the extreme. But it was obviously put in there for the
kids, to soften the film as a whole...

And the quidditch did drag somewhat.. Really really hoping that they
will sort out how to film Quidditch properly by the time GoF comes
around.. If they mess up the Quidditch world cup scene I will hunt
down EVERYONE that was involved in making that scene happen :)

Oh! Before I forget... Lucius starting Avada Kedavra.. _SO_ out of
character its untrue, he is the snivelling bully, not the powerful
sorceror. He wouldn't risk so much (Harry would recognise the start of
AK, definitely) by doing that, no way in hell. Though his wand casing
is relatively cool.

Argh! I keep thinking of more to say :) Where was the Weaselly-Malfoy
Seniors Grudge Match!!! I was really devastated they took that out,
would have loved to see Mark Williams and Jason Issacs duke it out..
But evidently they decided it was too violent! BAH!

All in all it wasn't a bad film, despite all I've said, lol :) Not as
if I'm going to put people off seeing it.. Not on this list anyway!

Roll on PoA I say!

-Rich
msn: obbles at hotmail.com




From cherryflip at clara.co.uk  Sun Nov 10 03:50:19 2002
From: cherryflip at clara.co.uk (Jodi Bailey)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:50:19 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
References: <3b.2f7388ab.2afeef6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00d101c2886c$4b0bb860$20837ed4@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: Wendy St. John <wynnde1 at aol.com>


> Hello, Everyone,
>
> This is my first posting to this group - I've been a member of the main
group
> for several months now, though.
>

Same here, I mostly lurk, though, not sure why as I'm vocal enough in real
life... Anyway, I saw the film tonight and am feeling the urge to talk about
it, but I'm not very good at writing proper reviews at the best of times and
I'm feeling particularly incoherent today, so I'm just responding to various
bits of this that brought things to mind.

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>

> Harry does floo to Knockturn Alley, but the whole scene with the Malfoys
> talking to Borgin is not there. I really like that scene, and was
> disappointed that it was deleted.

That this scene was cut was probably the biggest disappointment of the film
for me, but mostly because I *really* wanted to see Ed Tudor-Pole as Mr.
Borgin.

> The scene in Flourish and Blotts is much changed - Hermione gets some
lines
> that aren't hers in the book, there is no physical fight between Malfoy
and
> Weasley seniors, to name a few of the changes.

Another disappointment, I so wanted to see that fight.

> (Okay - this is admittedly nitpicky) - Gryffindor is shown having
Herbology
> with the Slytherins (in the book, it's with Hufflepuff).

I loved the Herbology scene though, and Miriam Margolyes is wonderful, to me
she seems more like a real teacher than any of the others in the films.
Maybe that's more a reflection on the kind of teachers I was lucky enough to
have, though :o)

> When called a "mudblood" by Draco, Hermione already knows what the term
means
> and she's the one who explains it to Harry.

This part really bothered me. For a start I didn't think there was nearly
enough of an uproar at Draco's comment, certainly not enough to make it
obvious he'd said something so terrible. And then Hermione not only knowing
what it meant, but getting all upset about it which just doesn't seem in
character at all.

> Also, I thought the actual Quidditch looked better, but that far too much
> time was spent on the bit with the bludger chasing Harry (with Draco right
> behind). That scene seemed to go on FOREVER with them zooming around the
> inside of the stands, and I was thinking that time could have been better
> spent on dialogue elsewhere in the movie.

I guess it probably did go on a bit, but I didn't notice at the time; the
Quidditch was one of the highlights of the first film for me and once again
I was totally swept up in the excitement of it.

> Binns is absent from the film, and the scene where we learn the history of
> the Chamber takes place in one of MacGonagall's transfiguration classes.

This was a pity as I loved the image of Binns being stunned at his class
actually taking an interest in what he was saying for once.

> As someone has already mentioned, the bit with Dobby getting the sock at
the
> end is changed. And I didn't catch Lucius saying "Avada" (but will listen
> more closely next time),

I heard it but I'm not sure I would've noticed had I not known to listen out
for it.

> I'm not sure what they were thinking with the whole ending. Hagrid comes
back
> from Azkaban and gets a loving ovation from the whole student population.
As
> someone else wrote, it was pretty cheesy. And when Hermione returns, she
> gives Harry an enthusiastic hug, and then she and Ron do this awkward
"oops,
> can't hug, must shake hands" thing which seems to definitely be setting up
a
> ship. I found it really overdone and distracting. Actually, I pretty much
> disliked the entire final scene.  Plus, I don't think anyone was in their
> pajamas, as they are in the book.

I thought that whole part was utterly dreadful. *So* cheesy, and it makes no
sense. What's with all the applause for Hagrid? I never got the impression
that most of the students felt particularly strongly about him one way or
the other. Hermione's return was completely OTT, the big dramatic pause at
the doorway, the long sprint down the Hall, the hug and non-hug... And it
just went on and on, milking every shot of smiling, tearful kids. Ugh, it
was such a weak ending that it really dented my impression of the whole
film, which I'd enjoyed so much up to that point.

> I also
> found it distracting where, in many spots, the dialogue from the book was
> changed, usually (IMO) to lesser effect. Why fix something that isn't
broken?
> One good example of this is in the scene in the Chamber, I think the
dialogue
> in the book when Harry says that Dumbledore is the greatest wizard ever is
> MUCH more effective than the way it is done in the film. There are LOTS of
> other places where I though they should have stuck with the original
> dialogue, as well. (I also find it a bit scary that I know the dialogue
well
> enough to spot the changes when it's not word for word) <G>.

This was by far my biggest problem with the film. For me the worst was the
change to possibly the most famous quote from the books so far, "It is our
choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilites." I
can't even remember what it was changed to, but it was exactly the same
statement, just re-worded. *Why*?! What on earth is the point in messing
with it? It also bothered me when they kept lines intact but gave them to
different characters than in the books. The only one I remember is that it
was Ron who said, "They were starving him, Mum!" despite the fact that
George was right there beside him and could have said it himself - it was
because it has been used as evidence that George is the good twin that it
particularly stood out to me ;o)

> Also, Moaning Myrtle REALLY annoyed the heck out of me. She wasn't
> how I pictured her at all, and I found her voice really got on my nerves.
But
> then, maybe it's SUPPOSED to do that, so I'm not sure I'm really
criticising
> her performance.

She was one of the highlights for me and I thought her voice was great, but
I'd never been able to form much of an image of her at all in my mind so
that probably makes a difference.

> On the positive side, Arthur wasn't at all how I pictured him but I LOVED
him
> anyway.

Now, Arthur I *do* have a clear picture of, this wasn't it, and I can't seem
to get over that. Somehow it just grates and feels wrong because he's not
the Arthur in my mind. Oh well...

> And Jason Isaacs as Lucius was simply DELICIOUS! Really sneery and
> awful and obviously evil and (will I get flamed for saying?) Dead Sexy.

Ooh yes, he was fabulous.

> Dobby was also not as I'd
> pictured him, but was well done and believable, IMO.

I agree, but his voice just doesn't seem right to me. It's very hard to
place why, but I think perhaps he sounds too confident, not nervous enough.

> And the Basilisk looked
> really good and was TERRIFYING! I jumped out of my seat with a shriek more
> than once. (And the spiders got at least one shriek out of me, as well).

I was a bit disappointed with the Basilisk, actually, I didn't find it scary
at all. And my sister said it looked like the monster from the Chewits
adverts of a few years ago, so obviously that's all I'll be able to think of
now when I see it again ;o) OTOH, I refused to even watch the spiders scene.
Even the small ones made me shudder, the way they move, ugh... So as soon as
that giant leg appeared I looked away and didn't look back until they were
out of the forest. I was very tempted to peek as I wanted to see Ron's
reaction, but I knew that even one glimpse would probably be enough to have
me checking every corner of my room for spiders before going to sleep for
the next week ;o)

One silly little thing that annoyed me was that the Polyjuice Potion wasn't
brewed over a toilet, I'd always thought that was rather ingenious...

I was glad to have read in advance about staying until the end of the
credits, usually I insist on sitting and reading the credits for everything,
films and TV programmes, to the extent that it's become something of a joke
with my family but I think even I might have given up on these, they seemed
to go on for ever!  And for most of them my sister and I were the *only*
people left in the cinema, which I found a bit embarrassing as it was after
11pm by this point and I think the staff wanted to go home... Still, I
thought it was worth it ;o)

Sorry for the random nature of this post, but I couldn't go to bed without
commenting ;o)

    Jodi





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 04:20:20 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 04:20:20 -0000
Subject: Important Negative Spoilers Request
In-Reply-To: <014c01c2885f$72a0b2c0$02a0cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aqkmq4+gv7m@eGroups.com>

Richelle Votaw wrote:
> 
> Okay, I can't wait any longer. A couple of questions for those of 
you who
> have seen the movie.

SP
OI
LE
RS
--
A
H
E
A
D

> 1) Does Harry get drenched with the pudding?

No, Mrs Mason does, which IMO is much more effective. (The Dursleys 
and Masons are sitting in the living room with the Dursleys facing 
away from the kitchen area, around the corder of which Harry and 
Dobby are standing. The Dursleys can see the pudding, but the Masons 
can't. Harry approaches to try to stop the pudding, Dobby makes it 
fall and disappears, leaving Harry with outstretched arms behind Mrs 
Mason as the pudding drops...)

> 2) How is the basilisk fang thing?  Does it go into Harry's arm
> like it's supposed to?    

Yes. As I recall it, we don't see the fang going in (it's done as a 
medium shot, so as to not scare the kiddies too much), but Harry 
pulling it out is a tight closeup.  

> Does Harry look the least bit like he's dying?

The immediate effect is that he looks as if he's about to faint, but 
his distress increases over the next couple of minutes and as Ginny 
regains conciousness, he tells her to escape and leave him to die. 

> 3) What about the Quidditch scene, does Harry just crash into the
> ground, faint like he's supposed to, or just fall off the broom?

None of the above, actually, though "crash" comes pretty close. :-) 
It's a forced landing and he's lying spreadeagled on the ground, face 
up. The bludger tries to bash him a couple more times, but he dodges 
it and the bludger "bounces" off the ground. Hermione runs onto the 
pitch and causes the bludger to explode in mid-air. 



More comments later... :-)





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov 10 04:48:32 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:48:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
References: <20021109191218.58558.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com> <192211282984.20021110030803@blueyonder.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005001c28874$6c90ad80$08a0cdd1@istu757>

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E

Rich writes:

> Oh! Before I forget... Lucius starting Avada Kedavra.. _SO_ out of
> character its untrue, he is the snivelling bully, not the powerful
> sorceror. He wouldn't risk so much (Harry would recognise the start of
> AK, definitely) by doing that, no way in hell. Though his wand casing
> is relatively cool.

I just thought of something.  Harry hadn't even heard of AK before GoF,
right?  So maybe this has two points.  Maybe it's to show us that Lucius is
a DE.  Which really has no purpose, because those of us who know what AK is
also know he's a DE.  Second, if JKR okayed that, perhaps it's to show him
losing his temper?  Maybe he would have a violent reaction to something in
the future and kill someone (who?) before stopping to think.  I don't really
know.

Wendy writes:

> > Harry does floo to Knockturn Alley, but the whole scene with the Malfoys
> > talking to Borgin is not there. I really like that scene, and was
> > disappointed that it was deleted.

Jodi responded:

> That this scene was cut was probably the biggest disappointment of the
film
> for me, but mostly because I *really* wanted to see Ed Tudor-Pole as Mr.
> Borgin.

Was Draco there looking in the window at a scull thing?  I know I saw a
picture of that someplace.  Or did they film it and cut the entire thing?

Jodi writes:

> I thought that whole part was utterly dreadful. *So* cheesy, and it makes
no
> sense. What's with all the applause for Hagrid? I never got the impression
> that most of the students felt particularly strongly about him one way or
> the other. Hermione's return was completely OTT, the big dramatic pause at
> the doorway, the long sprint down the Hall, the hug and non-hug... And it
> just went on and on, milking every shot of smiling, tearful kids. Ugh, it
> was such a weak ending that it really dented my impression of the whole
> film, which I'd enjoyed so much up to that point.

I wonder if the adults in the making of film don't get the same feeling I
get reading it.  That Harry needs a hug.  So they work one in every chance
they get.  And yes, that definitely doomed Hagrid in Book 5.

I (Richelle) asked:

> > 1) Does Harry get drenched with the pudding?

And GulPlum responded:

> No, Mrs Mason does, which IMO is much more effective. (The Dursleys
> and Masons are sitting in the living room with the Dursleys facing
> away from the kitchen area, around the corder of which Harry and
> Dobby are standing. The Dursleys can see the pudding, but the Masons
> can't. Harry approaches to try to stop the pudding, Dobby makes it
> fall and disappears, leaving Harry with outstretched arms behind Mrs
> Mason as the pudding drops...)

Oh, darn it.  And I was so looking forward to seeing Daniel dripping in the
pudding.  Ah, well, the look on his face ought to be enough.  That would
make more sense for the Mason's outright fury than explaining that she's
terrified of birds.

I asked again:

> > 2) How is the basilisk fang thing?  Does it go into Harry's arm
> > like it's supposed to?

And GulPlum said:

> Yes. As I recall it, we don't see the fang going in (it's done as a
> medium shot, so as to not scare the kiddies too much), but Harry
> pulling it out is a tight closeup.

Oh, cool.  Very cool.  Pulling it out's bound to be the best part anyway. :)

I asked again:

> > Does Harry look the least bit like he's dying?

GulPlum answered:

> The immediate effect is that he looks as if he's about to faint, but
> his distress increases over the next couple of minutes and as Ginny
> regains conciousness, he tells her to escape and leave him to die.

Oh, how very dramatic.  Leave me, save yourself, all that?  I love it. :)  I
assume Ginny just sits there and watches him instead?

I asked again (yes, I know, I ask a lot of questions):

> > 3) What about the Quidditch scene, does Harry just crash into the
> > ground, faint like he's supposed to, or just fall off the broom?

GulPlum answered:

> None of the above, actually, though "crash" comes pretty close. :-)
> It's a forced landing and he's lying spreadeagled on the ground, face
> up. The bludger tries to bash him a couple more times, but he dodges
> it and the bludger "bounces" off the ground. Hermione runs onto the
> pitch and causes the bludger to explode in mid-air.

Wait a minute.  Hermione explodes the bludger?  But Fred and George are
supposed to wrestle it back into the box/trunk/whatever.  Is it my
imagination, or does Hermione seem to have a lot of added parts/lines/etc.?
To make up for spending half the film in the hospital wing, I reckon.

Ah, well, thanks for all the input.  I'm sure I'll think of more questions
later, I'll have to start writing them down. :)

Richelle




From obby at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Nov 10 06:56:50 2002
From: obby at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Thorp)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 06:56:50 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Important Negative Spoilers Request
In-Reply-To: <005001c28874$6c90ad80$08a0cdd1@istu757>
References: <20021109191218.58558.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com>
 <192211282984.20021110030803@blueyonder.co.uk>
 <005001c28874$6c90ad80$08a0cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <150225010015.20021110065650@blueyonder.co.uk>

Sunday, November 10, 2002, 4:48:32 AM, Richelle wrote:

>> S
>> P
>> O
>> I
>> L
>> E
>> R
>>
>> S
>> P
>> A
>> C
>> E

RV> Rich writes:

>> Oh! Before I forget... Lucius starting Avada Kedavra.. _SO_ out of
>> character its untrue, he is the snivelling bully, not the powerful
>> sorceror. He wouldn't risk so much (Harry would recognise the start of
>> AK, definitely) by doing that, no way in hell. Though his wand casing
>> is relatively cool.

RV> I just thought of something.  Harry hadn't even heard of AK before GoF,
RV> right?  So maybe this has two points.  Maybe it's to show us that Lucius is
RV> a DE.  Which really has no purpose, because those of us who know what AK is
RV> also know he's a DE.  Second, if JKR okayed that, perhaps it's to show him
RV> losing his temper?  Maybe he would have a violent reaction to something in
RV> the future and kill someone (who?) before stopping to think.  I don't really
RV> know.

I can see this becoming my pet crusade :)

Lucius (I believe) is a very cowardly person. Hes a DE, true, but he
is a DE purely because he has a vindictive and cruel nature.. He isn't
a brave sort of person (otherwise he'd be in Voldermorts place as soon
as Voldie's AK backfired. Point taken about Harry not knowing AK,
Dementors don't come until PoA.. Ill check through book1/2 though...
Anyway back to my point :)

I really, really don't see Lucius losing his rag over something as
seemingly trivial (maybe theres a hidden dimension to this, I don't
know :) matter.. Losing a servant would not bother him all that much..
I expect he could get hold of a new House Elf.. Personally I believe
he was so annoyed because he (like most evil people) assumes everyone
is as bad as he is, and will do what he would do in a situation.. In
this one, he assumes that Dobby will blab everything that went on in
the Malfoy household (Why has Dobby not done that, anyway? Some form
of nobility? A lingering attachement to owners as part of a house elf
bond (which I assume exists, maybe a facet of house elf magic)?
Although with the last, Dobby has broken with so much house elf
tradition/convention, I wouldn't have thought this much of a leap for
him?) Anyway. Lucius would ALSO assume (I recon) that Harry would know
about AK, and thus, actually using AK is a HUGE risk to him. If he was
caught even TRYING to cast it against anyone, let alone Harry, then he
would be in Azkaban despite any of his connections, no question. No
connection is strong enough to deflect an attempted murder.

In any case. It's not in Lucius' character to take such an overt
action. All of his actions from past to present have been at least
covert enough that he would not be implicated. But killing Harry in
that situation would surely cause him *huge* problems. Explain that
away! Dead Harry found in prescence of Dobby (a witness.. Altho can
house elves give testimony? No muggle world precedent for it really,
so not sure...) and when Dumbledore (upstanding and respected wizard)
knows exactly where Harry is, and who is with him... Definitely a hard
one, if not impossible, to deflect that. Wow, this is becoming a bit
of an essay :)

Basically, Lucius is a coward. Cf. his snivelling nature in GoF
(Graveyard scene), the fact that he was one of the first to claim the
Imperius defense, he dropped all overt connections to Voldie as soon
as humanly possible when Voldie met his end, these are all actions of
the classic bully, or even closer to bully's henchman to be honest. He
will bully people when he has power behind him:
PS/CoS/PoA - Power of MoM connections, and pretty much immunity to
prosecution.
GoF (World Cup Muggle Torture) - Power of memories of Voldie's reign,
and the power associated with being behind a mask/disguise. (As an
aside, he was the ringleader in that I assume, and since he was
ringleader, and the Dark Mark turned up, they scattered... Well, this
is just him showing his cowardly nature once more)
Post GoF (maybe) and Voldies-Reign (deffo) - The immense power of a
hugely powerful Dark Wizard and the power of the Death Eaters behind
him.

Sorry for the long mail! :)

I suppose I should post some of this on the HPFGU list, as a
character study of Lucius.. But there are some movie refs in it (most
of it is stemmed from one tiny bit of the movie, hehe).

Whilst I'm on the subject of power, spirit!Voldemort being happy
about diary-Riddle!Voldemort's ascension? I *really* don't buy that,
unless there was some way for the spirit to re-posess the body? Or
even co-habit.. and I don't see Riddle!Voldie liking that one tiny bit
:) Nature of that sort of power hungry person to be very paranoid for
one, and completely unwilling to share power on a partnership level.

Hope someone can be bothered to read all of that! :)

-Rich
msn: obbles at hotmail.com




From lake4fam at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 10 07:25:29 2002
From: lake4fam at earthlink.net (dittanymorgan)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 07:25:29 -0000
Subject: Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
Message-ID: <aql1l9+iin7@eGroups.com>

Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
King Arthur
Professor Higgins
Albus Dumbledore
'Nuff said

Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation replacing him with 
Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not set the benchmark 
already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme problem with Mr Lee 
in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong for "Saruman" to be in 
charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate Mr Lee with kindly 
benevolence (I had the same problem watching Aragon's actor playing a 
lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you want someone from that 
cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did in CoS, Mr Harris's 
double, whose name someone out there will know without a moment's 
reflection.
                             * * *

My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a warm snuggly feeling)
is none other than the man who voiced him on the audiobooks, Mr Jim 
Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of Sirius' nature, and 
movie make-up magic can make him look sufficiently harrowed and gaunt 
after incarceration in Azkaban.

Dittany

Anar caluva tielyanna.







From editor at texas.net  Sun Nov 10 07:30:15 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:30:15 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
References: <aql1l9+iin7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000801c2888b$0e76e5e0$6504a6d8@texas.net>

Piping up again from back here, munching my popcorn and waiting for the film
to start.....

Peter O'Toole. Dumbledore should have been played by Peter O'Toole to begin
with. Peter O'Toole has those brilliant blue eyes, does whimsy with
naturalness and flair, and can switch to serious and point-focused in
milliseconds. Richard Harris was a great actor, but I do not think he was a
great Dumbledore, and I think Peter O'Toole would be.

~Amanda, who will be giddy if all three of her main casting choices come
through!


> Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation replacing him with
> Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not set the benchmark
> already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme problem with Mr Lee
> in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong for "Saruman" to be in
> charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate Mr Lee with kindly
> benevolence (I had the same problem watching Aragon's actor playing a
> lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you want someone from that
> cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did in CoS, Mr Harris's
> double, whose name someone out there will know without a moment's
> reflection.
>                              * * *
>
> My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a warm snuggly feeling)
> is none other than the man who voiced him on the audiobooks, Mr Jim
> Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of Sirius' nature, and
> movie make-up magic can make him look sufficiently harrowed and gaunt
> after incarceration in Azkaban.
>
> Dittany
>
> Anar caluva tielyanna.
>
>
>
>
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From clare.brewer at ntlworld.com  Sun Nov 10 08:42:17 2002
From: clare.brewer at ntlworld.com (claresbuk)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:42:17 -0000
Subject: Important Negative Spoilers Request
In-Reply-To: <005001c28874$6c90ad80$08a0cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aql659+13v9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> >
> > S
> > P
> > A
> > C
> > E
> 

Hi everyone

I'll start by saying that sadly I have to agree with all the comments 
made so far.  My husband and I stayed up for an hour or so after the 
film dissecting it and I think most of the things we came up with 
have already been covered.  I'll just add a couple more that annoyed 
us.  

When Ron, Fred and George turn up in the Flying Ford Anglia and Harry 
asks why they've come, we would have preferred it if Ron had said 
something along the lines of being worried as Harry hadn't replied to 
any of his letters.  We just found the, "to rescue you" line a bit 
surprising, as it didn't make any sense how they knew Harry needed 
rescuing and to say a little bit more wouldn't have added greatly to 
the running time (time that could have been regained elsewhere).  

Secondly, why did they have to mess around with Arthur Weasley's 
lines?  I was looking forward to hearing about his collection of 
plugs or asking Harry about electrickery, but instead he asked what 
the purpose of a rubber duck was.  We just felt it didn't work as 
well as JKR's original words and seemed a really pointless change. 

It's funny how film critics seem to prefer this film to PS/SS as 
Chris Columbus has been brave enough to use his own imagination more 
and not stick so rigidly to the book.  Although I enjoyed the film, I 
came out feeling a little disappointed.  I found the changes in PS 
easier to understand, but I think it's going to take several more 
viewings of CoS to accept the changes that have been made this time 
around.  I'll have to take my Mum to see it as she hasn't read any of 
the books and it's sometimes refreshing to hear the views of someone 
seeing it who doesn't know what every last word of dialogue should be.

Those things aside, generally I thought the casting of all the new 
characters was excellent and the scenes that ran pretty much as 
written in the books worked really well.  There were many things that 
made me jump or scared me enough to make me sink lower into my seat 
and many things that made me laugh out loud.  

We went with a couple of friends and I insisted we all sit through 
the credits.  They were all glad I made them stay, although we were 
the only people left in the theatre.

I've written more than I intended to!

Clare




From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 10 12:59:34 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:59:34 -0000
Subject: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER (mini-review)
In-Reply-To: <aqj70n+10lja@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqll7m+cm2o@eGroups.com>

Dear Alan
> seems to have decided to camp it up a bit. When he says
> (paraphrasing)"perhaps someone from my own house would be more
> suitable (than Neviile, to demonstrate a duel)he does a gesture 
which is sooo funny coming from him. It's a sort of exagerated shrug 
from the elbows - you'll see what I mean when you see the movie. I 
think maybe he felt obliged to keep up with Branagh as lockhart in 
terms of animated performance.>  
> Snapesangel


I'm afraid the gesture of Alan Rickman's Snape in the duelling scene 
is going to be mis-interpreted "across the pond"!  The way I see his 
action is quite simply he is "taking the mickey" out of the 
exagerrated gestures of Lockhart and by mimicking them shows Lockhart 
that he (Snape) is more than aware that is all put on for show!  

Think of some of the snide supercilious comments Snape comes out with 
in canon and, for example, the way he reads out the whole of Rita 
Skeeter's article about the Harry/Hermione/Krum triangle from Witch 
Weekly to the entire potions class! 

No in my opinion, Snape was being visually sarcastic in his actions 
and not Alan Rickman trying to keep up with Branagh.

Fiona Potter




From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 10 13:17:10 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:17:10 -0000
Subject: The perfect Trelawney Casting
In-Reply-To: <aqjst8+osfl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqlm8m+fcke@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Marcus " <prefectmarcus at y...> wrote:
>The part I am most interested in is Trelawney.  It's 
> a great role full of subtlety.  
> 
> Let me suggest a dark horse candidate.  Lucy Lawless!  Yep, Xena 
> herself.  I think she could pull it off better than about 
anybody.  
> Of course, she is not British, she's a New Zealander, but the 
accent 
> is close enough for most of the world.


LOL! Pardon me for giggling, but I can just see how Lucy would 
totally ham up for a role like that. I think she's hilarious (just 
see all the humorous eps of Xena) and I'd call myself a fan, but 
personally, I'd choose someone quite different for Trelawney...

skywings.




From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 10 14:07:35 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:07:35 -0000
Subject: susan bones & green eyes
Message-ID: <aqlp77+4nu8@eGroups.com>

Hey there. I'm new so I don't know if this has been discussed 
earlier.

Just wondering if anyone else was a bit annoyed with Chris Columbus 
(as good as he was directing PS/SS and I'm sure CoS) when he just 
had to keep including his daughter who played Susan Bones in scenes 
a Hufflepuff wasn't really supposed to be in? For example, in 
Snape's class, wasn't Gryffindor paired with Slytherin?

Also, what's the story with Harry's green eyes? He's always had 
green eyes in the books but in the films they're blue and, as far as 
I can see, only turn green sometimes. Was that an error? 
Inappropriate to get a young kid to wear contacts and too expensive 
to change them digitally in every scene? Just curious to know some 
behind the scenes tid bits.

skywings.




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov 10 18:47:12 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:47:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] susan bones & green eyes
References: <aqlp77+4nu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017501c288e9$95bf60a0$8ea0cdd1@istu757>

skywings writes:

> Just wondering if anyone else was a bit annoyed with Chris Columbus
> (as good as he was directing PS/SS and I'm sure CoS) when he just
> had to keep including his daughter who played Susan Bones in scenes
> a Hufflepuff wasn't really supposed to be in? For example, in
> Snape's class, wasn't Gryffindor paired with Slytherin?

I don't really mind him casting his daughter, though I do wonder about her
sitting by Hermione so much.  Although if you watch the uniforms in the
first movie, you'll find all four houses in pretty much every class.

> Also, what's the story with Harry's green eyes? He's always had
> green eyes in the books but in the films they're blue and, as far as
> I can see, only turn green sometimes. Was that an error?
> Inappropriate to get a young kid to wear contacts and too expensive
> to change them digitally in every scene? Just curious to know some
> behind the scenes tid bits.

Well, here's how the story goes.  At the beginning of SS/PS they tried to
put Daniel in green contacts.  He couldn't wear them, they irritated his
eyes too much.  So they left his eyes alone.  At the end of the film,
according to Chris Columbus, they intended to change them digitally, but
didn't have the time.  So they left them alone.  And again, according to
Chris Columbus they didn't touch his eyes at all in CoS.  Regardless of how
green they look at times.  Although I would swear that someone touched them
up in that Flourish and Blotts scene on the international trailer.  Chris
Columbus claims they appear green in certain scenes due to the green
surroundings, such as the chamber itself.  Although all the pictures in the
Chamber I've seen show Daniel's brilliant blue eyes, thy don't look the
least bit green to me.  And in Flourish and Blotts he was surrounded by
black, not green, so that can't be it.  Apparently the color of the eyes
wasn't important enough for JKR to insist upon them being green.  I
personally think it's not the color of Harry's eyes that will be special,
but that he does indeed have his mother's eyes.  So that in the movie they
could, in essence, say that Harry has his mother's *blue* eyes instead of
his mother's *green* eyes.  I think. :)

Richelle

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****
"May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."
---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
****************************************************************************
****




From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 19:28:22 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:28:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The perfect Trelawney Casting
In-Reply-To: <aqlm8m+fcke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021110192822.90124.qmail@web20910.mail.yahoo.com>

Yaah I can't see Zene play Trelawney, but I could see
Shirley Maclaine.
Amanda 
--- skyw1ngs <holymotherofgod at hotmail.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Marcus "
> <prefectmarcus at y...> wrote:
> >The part I am most interested in is Trelawney. 
> It's 
> > a great role full of subtlety.  
> > 
> > Let me suggest a dark horse candidate.  Lucy
> Lawless!  Yep, Xena 
> > herself.  I think she could pull it off better
> than about 
> anybody.  
> > Of course, she is not British, she's a New
> Zealander, but the 
> accent 
> > is close enough for most of the world.
> 
> 
> LOL! Pardon me for giggling, but I can just see how
> Lucy would 
> totally ham up for a role like that. I think she's
> hilarious (just 
> see all the humorous eps of Xena) and I'd call
> myself a fan, but 
> personally, I'd choose someone quite different for
> Trelawney...
> 
> skywings.
> 
> 


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From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 19:28:24 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:28:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The perfect Trelawney Casting
In-Reply-To: <aqlm8m+fcke@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021110192824.93618.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com>

Yaah I can't see Zene play Trelawney, but I could see
Shirley Maclaine.
Amanda 
--- skyw1ngs <holymotherofgod at hotmail.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Marcus "
> <prefectmarcus at y...> wrote:
> >The part I am most interested in is Trelawney. 
> It's 
> > a great role full of subtlety.  
> > 
> > Let me suggest a dark horse candidate.  Lucy
> Lawless!  Yep, Xena 
> > herself.  I think she could pull it off better
> than about 
> anybody.  
> > Of course, she is not British, she's a New
> Zealander, but the 
> accent 
> > is close enough for most of the world.
> 
> 
> LOL! Pardon me for giggling, but I can just see how
> Lucy would 
> totally ham up for a role like that. I think she's
> hilarious (just 
> see all the humorous eps of Xena) and I'd call
> myself a fan, but 
> personally, I'd choose someone quite different for
> Trelawney...
> 
> skywings.
> 
> 


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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sun Nov 10 19:29:36 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:29:36 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe mediocre?
Message-ID: <aqmc30+h2so@eGroups.com>

SP
OI
LE
R
SP
AC
E

I've just read the Sunday Times review of Harry Potter and the 
Chamber of Secrets. Apart from saying that the film should be 
called "Hermione Grainger and the Chamber of Secrets", the reviewer 
went on to say that one of the main problems with Harry was Daniel 
Radcliffe: he is a mediocre actor. I was a little surprised by this. 
Firstly, it was contrary to my own views of his acting in this film 
and secondly because the general opinion seems to be that he has 
improved considerably.

I also read another review recently which said that Daniel Radcliffe 
was the "outstanding exception" to iffy child acting. This only 
serves to prove that whatever you read the only answer is to see the 
film yourself and reach your own conclusions. I personally really 
warmed to Dan this time - and I did have some concerns about him in 
PS/SS. I really enjoyed his performance and will be gutted if someone 
else takes over as Harry after PoA.

Ali







From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 19:38:55 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:38:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Important Negative Spoilers Request
In-Reply-To: <aql659+13v9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021110193855.95419.qmail@web20901.mail.yahoo.com>

That b/c Mr Weasley doesn't take about plugs untill
the 4th book.
Amanda
--- claresbuk <clare.brewer at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw"
> <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> > > S
> > > P
> > > O
> > > I
> > > L
> > > E
> > > R
> > >
> > > S
> > > P
> > > A
> > > C
> > > E
> > 
> 
> Hi everyone
> 
> I'll start by saying that sadly I have to agree with
> all the comments 
> made so far.  My husband and I stayed up for an hour
> or so after the 
> film dissecting it and I think most of the things we
> came up with 
> have already been covered.  I'll just add a couple
> more that annoyed 
> us.  
> 
> When Ron, Fred and George turn up in the Flying Ford
> Anglia and Harry 
> asks why they've come, we would have preferred it if
> Ron had said 
> something along the lines of being worried as Harry
> hadn't replied to 
> any of his letters.  We just found the, "to rescue
> you" line a bit 
> surprising, as it didn't make any sense how they
> knew Harry needed 
> rescuing and to say a little bit more wouldn't have
> added greatly to 
> the running time (time that could have been regained
> elsewhere).  
> 
> Secondly, why did they have to mess around with
> Arthur Weasley's 
> lines?  I was looking forward to hearing about his
> collection of 
> plugs or asking Harry about electrickery, but
> instead he asked what 
> the purpose of a rubber duck was.  We just felt it
> didn't work as 
> well as JKR's original words and seemed a really
> pointless change. 
> 
> It's funny how film critics seem to prefer this film
> to PS/SS as 
> Chris Columbus has been brave enough to use his own
> imagination more 
> and not stick so rigidly to the book.  Although I
> enjoyed the film, I 
> came out feeling a little disappointed.  I found the
> changes in PS 
> easier to understand, but I think it's going to take
> several more 
> viewings of CoS to accept the changes that have been
> made this time 
> around.  I'll have to take my Mum to see it as she
> hasn't read any of 
> the books and it's sometimes refreshing to hear the
> views of someone 
> seeing it who doesn't know what every last word of
> dialogue should be.
> 
> Those things aside, generally I thought the casting
> of all the new 
> characters was excellent and the scenes that ran
> pretty much as 
> written in the books worked really well.  There were
> many things that 
> made me jump or scared me enough to make me sink
> lower into my seat 
> and many things that made me laugh out loud.  
> 
> We went with a couple of friends and I insisted we
> all sit through 
> the credits.  They were all glad I made them stay,
> although we were 
> the only people left in the theatre.
> 
> I've written more than I intended to!
> 
> Clare
> 
> 


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From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sun Nov 10 19:41:23 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:41:23 -0000
Subject: The perfect Trelawney Casting
In-Reply-To: <aqjst8+osfl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqmcp3+k15v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Marcus " <prefectmarcus at y...> wrote:
> Let me suggest a dark horse candidate.  Lucy Lawless!  Yep, Xena 
> herself.  I think she could pull it off better than about anybody.  
> Of course, she is not British, she's a New Zealander, but the 
accent is close enough for most of the world.

Ali replies

I personally do not mind where an actor comes from, what matters to 
me is their portrayal of my beloved characters. "Close enough" is not 
good enough for my liking. If Lucy Lawless could do an authentic 
British accent, then what would put her in the running but not 
otherwise. As a Brit, I and one or two others might notice her accent 
not sounding particularly British - to my ears at least, the Kiwi 
accent is *noticeably* different. IMO if she failed to sound British, 
it would be contrary to the whole flavour of the films to date.

In general I prefer the idea of British actors playing British parts 
simply because there are far less accent problems, and if there are 
great British actors to play British characters, then it doesn't seem 
unreasonable that they should be choosen.


Ali




From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 19:53:10 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:53:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
In-Reply-To: <000801c2888b$0e76e5e0$6504a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20021110195310.94144.qmail@web20909.mail.yahoo.com>

AS IF I happing to think that Richard Harris did a
excellent job as Dumbledore. As for Peter O'Toole if
he can be madeup to look like the Dumbledore we have
come to know and love why not.

Amanda
--- Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> Piping up again from back here, munching my popcorn
> and waiting for the film
> to start.....
> 
> Peter O'Toole. Dumbledore should have been played by
> Peter O'Toole to begin
> with. Peter O'Toole has those brilliant blue eyes,
> does whimsy with
> naturalness and flair, and can switch to serious and
> point-focused in
> milliseconds. Richard Harris was a great actor, but
> I do not think he was a
> great Dumbledore, and I think Peter O'Toole would
> be.
> 
> ~Amanda, who will be giddy if all three of her main
> casting choices come
> through!
> 
> 
> > Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation
> replacing him with
> > Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not
> set the benchmark
> > already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme
> problem with Mr Lee
> > in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong for
> "Saruman" to be in
> > charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate Mr
> Lee with kindly
> > benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> Aragon's actor playing a
> > lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you want
> someone from that
> > cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did in
> CoS, Mr Harris's
> > double, whose name someone out there will know
> without a moment's
> > reflection.
> >                              * * *
> >
> > My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a
> warm snuggly feeling)
> > is none other than the man who voiced him on the
> audiobooks, Mr Jim
> > Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of
> Sirius' nature, and
> > movie make-up magic can make him look sufficiently
> harrowed and gaunt
> > after incarceration in Azkaban.
> >
> > Dittany
> >
> > Anar caluva tielyanna.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 20:05:14 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:05:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
In-Reply-To: <aql1l9+iin7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021110200514.96230.qmail@web20909.mail.yahoo.com>

Yaah I could see that it's a hold lot then Peter
O'Toluer. About Sirius I argerr that Jim Dale would be
perfect.
Amanda
--- dittanymorgan <lake4fam at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
> King Arthur
> Professor Higgins
> Albus Dumbledore
> 'Nuff said
> 
> Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation
> replacing him with 
> Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not set
> the benchmark 
> already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme
> problem with Mr Lee 
> in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong for
> "Saruman" to be in 
> charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate Mr
> Lee with kindly 
> benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> Aragon's actor playing a 
> lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you want
> someone from that 
> cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did in
> CoS, Mr Harris's 
> double, whose name someone out there will know
> without a moment's 
> reflection.
>                              * * *
> 
> My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a warm
> snuggly feeling)
> is none other than the man who voiced him on the
> audiobooks, Mr Jim 
> Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of
> Sirius' nature, and 
> movie make-up magic can make him look sufficiently
> harrowed and gaunt 
> after incarceration in Azkaban.
> 
> Dittany
> 
> Anar caluva tielyanna.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Nov 10 20:14:50 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:50 -0000
Subject: Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
References: <20021110200514.96230.qmail@web20909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c288f5$d326dde0$e9615651@tinyjyuaxzlq>


Re Jim Dale.  No way. Sorry he's tiny and Dumbledore is tall and the guy
just isn't taken that seriously in the UK anymore.

With respect that is....... I just can't see him in what is essentially a
very serisou but very visual role.

Felicia
a Peter O'Toole voter



> Yaah I could see that it's a hold lot then Peter
> O'Toluer. About Sirius I argerr that Jim Dale would be
> perfect.
> Amanda
> --- dittanymorgan <lake4fam at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
> > King Arthur
> > Professor Higgins
> > Albus Dumbledore
> > 'Nuff said
> >
> > Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation
> > replacing him with
> > Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not set
> > the benchmark
> > already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme
> > problem with Mr Lee
> > in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong for
> > "Saruman" to be in
> > charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate Mr
> > Lee with kindly
> > benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> > Aragon's actor playing a
> > lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you want
> > someone from that
> > cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did in
> > CoS, Mr Harris's
> > double, whose name someone out there will know
> > without a moment's
> > reflection.
> >                              * * *
> >
> > My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a warm
> > snuggly feeling)
> > is none other than the man who voiced him on the
> > audiobooks, Mr Jim
> > Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of
> > Sirius' nature, and
> > movie make-up magic can make him look sufficiently
> > harrowed and gaunt
> > after incarceration in Azkaban.
> >
> > Dittany
> >
> > Anar caluva tielyanna.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 20:23:48 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:23:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
In-Reply-To: <000d01c288f5$d326dde0$e9615651@tinyjyuaxzlq>
Message-ID: <20021110202348.611.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com>

Who do you see as Sirier then?

Amanda
A Lee Vote
--- Felicia Rickmann <feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com>
wrote:
> 
> Re Jim Dale.  No way. Sorry he's tiny and Dumbledore
> is tall and the guy
> just isn't taken that seriously in the UK anymore.
> 
> With respect that is....... I just can't see him in
> what is essentially a
> very serisou but very visual role.
> 
> Felicia
> a Peter O'Toole voter
> 
> 
> 
> > Yaah I could see that it's a hold lot then Peter
> > O'Toluer. About Sirius I argerr that Jim Dale
> would be
> > perfect.
> > Amanda
> > --- dittanymorgan <lake4fam at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
> > > King Arthur
> > > Professor Higgins
> > > Albus Dumbledore
> > > 'Nuff said
> > >
> > > Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation
> > > replacing him with
> > > Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not
> set
> > > the benchmark
> > > already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme
> > > problem with Mr Lee
> > > in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong
> for
> > > "Saruman" to be in
> > > charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate
> Mr
> > > Lee with kindly
> > > benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> > > Aragon's actor playing a
> > > lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you
> want
> > > someone from that
> > > cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did
> in
> > > CoS, Mr Harris's
> > > double, whose name someone out there will know
> > > without a moment's
> > > reflection.
> > >                              * * *
> > >
> > > My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a
> warm
> > > snuggly feeling)
> > > is none other than the man who voiced him on the
> > > audiobooks, Mr Jim
> > > Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of
> > > Sirius' nature, and
> > > movie make-up magic can make him look
> sufficiently
> > > harrowed and gaunt
> > > after incarceration in Azkaban.
> > >
> > > Dittany
> > >
> > > Anar caluva tielyanna.
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From editor at texas.net  Sun Nov 10 20:26:08 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:26:08 -0600
Subject: Geist Note on spelling, was Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
References: <20021110202348.611.qmail@web20902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c288f7$67d35d00$5604a6d8@texas.net>

Can I ask, as an official list admin, that we all look to our spelling with
a bit more care? It's getting to the point where it's hard to comprehend....

~Amandageist, poltergeist for HP4GU & associated lists

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Levesque" <ajl333us at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black


> Who do you see as Sirier then?
>
> Amanda
> A Lee Vote
> --- Felicia Rickmann <feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Re Jim Dale.  No way. Sorry he's tiny and Dumbledore
> > is tall and the guy
> > just isn't taken that seriously in the UK anymore.
> >
> > With respect that is....... I just can't see him in
> > what is essentially a
> > very serisou but very visual role.
> >
> > Felicia
> > a Peter O'Toole voter
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yaah I could see that it's a hold lot then Peter
> > > O'Toluer. About Sirius I argerr that Jim Dale
> > would be
> > > perfect.
> > > Amanda
> > > --- dittanymorgan <lake4fam at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
> > > > King Arthur
> > > > Professor Higgins
> > > > Albus Dumbledore
> > > > 'Nuff said
> > > >
> > > > Since RH died, I have seen internet speculation
> > > > replacing him with
> > > > Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH not
> > set
> > > > the benchmark
> > > > already. Now, however I will have an extre-e-eme
> > > > problem with Mr Lee
> > > > in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond wrong
> > for
> > > > "Saruman" to be in
> > > > charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not associate
> > Mr
> > > > Lee with kindly
> > > > benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> > > > Aragon's actor playing a
> > > > lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if you
> > want
> > > > someone from that
> > > > cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he did
> > in
> > > > CoS, Mr Harris's
> > > > double, whose name someone out there will know
> > > > without a moment's
> > > > reflection.
> > > >                              * * *
> > > >
> > > > My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I have a
> > warm
> > > > snuggly feeling)
> > > > is none other than the man who voiced him on the
> > > > audiobooks, Mr Jim
> > > > Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth of
> > > > Sirius' nature, and
> > > > movie make-up magic can make him look
> > sufficiently
> > > > harrowed and gaunt
> > > > after incarceration in Azkaban.
> > > >
> > > > Dittany
> > > >
> > > > Anar caluva tielyanna.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From ajl333us at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 20:30:41 2002
From: ajl333us at yahoo.com (Amanda Levesque)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:30:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Geist Note on spelling, was Recasting Dumbledore; casting Black
In-Reply-To: <001b01c288f7$67d35d00$5604a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20021110203041.99092.qmail@web20905.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry I can't spelle for anething.

*Amanda*
--- Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> Can I ask, as an official list admin, that we all
> look to our spelling with
> a bit more care? It's getting to the point where
> it's hard to comprehend....
> 
> ~Amandageist, poltergeist for HP4GU & associated
> lists
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Levesque" <ajl333us at yahoo.com>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Recasting Dumbledore;
> casting Black
> 
> 
> > Who do you see as Sirier then?
> >
> > Amanda
> > A Lee Vote
> > --- Felicia Rickmann
> <feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Re Jim Dale.  No way. Sorry he's tiny and
> Dumbledore
> > > is tall and the guy
> > > just isn't taken that seriously in the UK
> anymore.
> > >
> > > With respect that is....... I just can't see him
> in
> > > what is essentially a
> > > very serisou but very visual role.
> > >
> > > Felicia
> > > a Peter O'Toole voter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yaah I could see that it's a hold lot then
> Peter
> > > > O'Toluer. About Sirius I argerr that Jim Dale
> > > would be
> > > > perfect.
> > > > Amanda
> > > > --- dittanymorgan <lake4fam at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > Requiescat in Pace, Mr Harris:
> > > > > King Arthur
> > > > > Professor Higgins
> > > > > Albus Dumbledore
> > > > > 'Nuff said
> > > > >
> > > > > Since RH died, I have seen internet
> speculation
> > > > > replacing him with
> > > > > Christopher Lee.  Might have worked, had RH
> not
> > > set
> > > > > the benchmark
> > > > > already. Now, however I will have an
> extre-e-eme
> > > > > problem with Mr Lee
> > > > > in the Headmaster's role.  It is beyond
> wrong
> > > for
> > > > > "Saruman" to be in
> > > > > charge of Hogwarts.  I simply do not
> associate
> > > Mr
> > > > > Lee with kindly
> > > > > benevolence (I had the same problem watching
> > > > > Aragon's actor playing a
> > > > > lowlife scumbag.)  Please, ask Sir Ian if
> you
> > > want
> > > > > someone from that
> > > > > cast.  Or better yet, depending upon how he
> did
> > > in
> > > > > CoS, Mr Harris's
> > > > > double, whose name someone out there will
> know
> > > > > without a moment's
> > > > > reflection.
> > > > >                              * * *
> > > > >
> > > > > My suggestion to play Sirius (for whom I
> have a
> > > warm
> > > > > snuggly feeling)
> > > > > is none other than the man who voiced him on
> the
> > > > > audiobooks, Mr Jim
> > > > > Dale.  His photo shows the underlying warmth
> of
> > > > > Sirius' nature, and
> > > > > movie make-up magic can make him look
> > > sufficiently
> > > > > harrowed and gaunt
> > > > > after incarceration in Azkaban.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dittany
> > > > >
> > > > > Anar caluva tielyanna.
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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 10 23:29:22 2002
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:29:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Los Angeles premiere info
Message-ID: <20021110232922.25907.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com>

"Darlene" <Dar20 at a...> wrote:
> Does anyone know anything about going to movie 

> premeire's?  The premeire in LA is on Nov. 14,
> and we'll be in LA that week.  I'd love 
> to go, but don't know the first thing about  
> them.  Would we even be able to see anything?
> Would it be worth the wait?  How early would 
> we need to get there?  Who will be there?  Any 

> info would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Dar

"GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote, replying to a
different post:
> I didn't say that weren't going to be any gala 
> premieres, or even that they hadn't been
> announced, only that I couldn't find any 
> details. :-) Thanks for the info.

I am way behind in my post-reading, but just in
case you haven't already read this in the days
since these messages were posted (and hoping Dar
hasn't left for LA already)...according to
Variety.com:

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

"Harry Potter & the Chamber of Secrets" premiere
Thursday, November 14, 2002

Starring: Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert
Grint, Kenneth Branagh, Alan Rickman, Richard
Harris, Maggie Smith. 6 p.m.

Where: Grauman's Chinese Theatre, 6925 Hollywood
Blvd, Hollywood, CA

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

Does this mean some of the cast will be there?  I
don't know...anyone have that info?

Leeanna's post #3590 describes last year's scene
pretty well.  Whether this year's will be the
same remains to be seen...but as venues go,
Grauman's Chinese Theatre (that'd be the one with
the famous foot- and hand-prints) is comparable
to (if not exceed) the one in Westwood last year
in prestige.

"Darlene" <Dar20 at a...> wrote (later):
> It was announced a couple of weeks ago that  
> the LA premiere is on Nov. 14th at Mann's
> theatre in Westwood (I can't remember where it 
> was first posted, though).

Where did you find that?  What time of that day
does that source have?

Hope you go, have fun, and take lots of pictures!


Petra, wishing she doesn't have to work that day
a
n  :)

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From carrie.williams66 at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 11 03:18:56 2002
From: carrie.williams66 at ntlworld.com (Carrie Williams)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:18:56 -0000
Subject: MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle
Message-ID: <aqn7j0+spb4@eGroups.com>

S
P
O
I
L
E
R
---

I saw the movie yesterday, and there's one thing that's really 
bugging me - Tom Riddle's robes. I re-read CoS last year just after 
seeing the first movie, and was thinking of how it would look on film 
the whole time I was reading it. What occurred to me was that in the 
diary scenes we would see Tom Riddle/Voldemort at school, and would 
then have definitive information on what house he was in, from the 
crest on his robes. So I was taking particular notice of his robes in 
those scenes. Now, as we know, Riddle was a Slytherin - Hagrid told 
us so. So, in that case, why does Riddle have on his robes not a 
Slytherin crest at all, but the Hogwarts crest like the first years 
have before they're sorted? Not only that, but he was wearing what my 
sister insists is a Ravenclaw jumper - with a blue stripe round the 
neck.

I have a couple of theories:
1 (the paranoid one): they are hiding something from us! Riddle may 
turn out not to have been a Slytherin at all.

2: Riddle created the images he showed Harry in the diary, and he 
simply replaced the Slytherin crest on his robes with the Hogwarts 
one because he knew Harry wouldn't trust a Slytherin.

Any other theories on this will be gratefully received - the more 
outlandish the better!

Carrie1138, who thought the duelling club scene was the best in the 
movie, but missed the Malfoys in Knockturn Alley and the Arthur 
Weasley/Lucius Malfoy fight, and the de-gnoming, and... too many 
things to list!





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Nov 11 03:25:00 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:25:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Los Angeles premiere info
References: <20021110232922.25907.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c28931$eb5c6920$43a1cdd1@istu757>

Petra writes:

> Does this mean some of the cast will be there?  I
> don't know...anyone have that info?

Well, that depends.  Yahoo news says that Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, David
Heyman and Chris Columbus will be there.  It doesn't list Daniel.  Although
he will apparently still be in the country.  He's doing Regis and Kelly on
Wednesday, The View on Friday.  Both of which are supposed to be live shows.
And The View has all three kids listed as on the show Friday.  Which blows
my mind how they're getting from the evening Los Angeles premiere to New
York for The View by 11 a.m. and still sleeping.  The time zone really
messes you up going east.  I mean, they are kids after all.

Richelle

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****
"May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."
---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:52:17 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Reminder About Posting Rules
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From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 11 04:05:07 2002
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 04:05:07 -0000
Subject: MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle's Robes
In-Reply-To: <aqn7j0+spb4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqna9j+ofpk@eGroups.com>

carrie1138 wrote:
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> ---
>
> Tom Riddle's robes. What occurred to me was that in the
> diary scenes we would see Tom Riddle/Voldemort at school, and would
> then have definitive information on what house he was in, from the
> crest on his robes. So I was taking particular notice of his robes
> in those scenes.

> Any other theories on this will be gratefully received - the more
> outlandish the better!


Ok Carrie1138, well, this is not outlandish, but first I must
apologies since I live in The States and have not officially seen the
movie so this is based off of the Posed Picture of Riddle which
conveniently is in the photo gallery of this site.  Hit photo and
you'll see it pop up there on the first page.

I put forth that since Riddle is a student from 50 years before, his
robes would be different.  Over time uniforms evolve so it is a
possibility.  After all, the exact color green could change, and the
crest could of been a uniting Hogwarts crest before the individual
houses used theirs.  Also the lining of Riddle's robe is different
from the modern version, and Riddle's robe only has on loop clasp
instead of the two clasps in the present robes.

So I say it is just the costume department wanting to make
characteristic changes of how a uniform adjusts to the taste of the times.

And also in the posed picture, Riddle's sweater does look green as
does his tie.  Maybe in the movie the lighting is not right to bring
this out.


Melody 




From shufan90 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 11 05:15:00 2002
From: shufan90 at yahoo.com (shufan)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:15:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: Unwanted Movie Spoiler
Message-ID: <20021111051500.83775.qmail@web80010.mail.yahoo.com>


 
 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:07:15 -0800 (PST)
From: shufan 
Subject: Unwanted Movie Spoiler
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com


I wanted to warn all that have not seen the movie and the US crowd that will not get to attend opening weekend (such as myself) of a very unpleasant experience I had today.

 

As I was doing some housecleaning today, I was allowing my 4 year old daughter some extra television time, she was watching the Cartoon Network.  So a commercial comes on, normally I do not pay attention, but... this is a commercial for a the Harry Potter COS Balisik set.  The commercial itself was funny, the set is supposed to represent the chamber and there is the Harry action figure being moved around by a hand and a voice over says:  oh  the balisik (or something to that effect).  This started to make me laugh, because it was almost campy reminding me of the old Saturday Night Live sketch "Mr. Bill"  where the mysterious Mr. Hand voices over a playdoh figure.

Anyway, I look up to see how much worse it can get and what do I see but a scene from the movie with the actual Balisik, not the plastic figure being moved by a hand!  The only thing I can not see on the Internet ruined by a commercial!  

I wanted to warn all that want to be surprised when they see the film to turn away from this advertisement, in fact I am boycotting all HP merchandise ads in fear they will ruin another aspect of my movie going experience.

Be forewarned.

Thanks 

shufan

who is appreciative of this group.

 

 


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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 11 14:04:25 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:04:25 -0000
Subject: [COS SPOILERS] Bullet-point review
Message-ID: <aqodd9+n3t4@eGroups.com>

As promised before the weekend, here's a small (?!) summary of what I 
thought about the movie. It's been a VERY long weekend for me and I 
*think* I've caught up with my sleep. :-)

At least I got to see the movie a total of not-quite four times... 
(the "not quite" will be explained).

SP
OI
LE
RS

A
H
E
A
D

GOOD POINTS:

- First and foremost Lucius, Lucius and once again Lucius. Dispite 
mispronouncing his name by my reckoning :-) Isaacs did his homework, 
had some ideas and ran with them as far as he could. I liked every 
one of them, even the flowing hair, which I know some peoole don't 
like.

- Arthur Weasley. Only a very short appearance and not quite like in 
the book, but Mark Williams has made the character his own. By a 
strange coincidence (or was it?), one of the trailers showing before 
the movie is for "Anita & Me", in which Williams plays a trendy vicar 
in the seventies, which nicely built up the anticipation. :-)

- Dobby. A week ago, I would have laughed if I'd thought I'd be 
saying that. Both technically (ie the CG work) and the appearance/ 
voice, I was utterly gobsmacked. He is no PS/SS troll, and I found 
the character quite endearing in a way I didn't when reading the 
book. I didn't like the instance of Dobby referring to himself in the 
first person, though (in the hospital, about how the House Elves were 
treated like vermin in the Dark days). :-)

- Polyjuice sequence and Moaning Myrtle. The transformation itself is 
a very cinematic moment in the book anyway, but I thought the few 
changes they introduced were for the good. The Crabbe & Goyle actors 
playing Ron & Harry playing themselves were terrific. Ron's 
throwaway "how thick can you get?" line was priceless (in the book, I 
found it a bit weird that C&G would go for it). Having seen Shirley 
Henderson in "Once Upon a Time in the Midlands" just recently, I 
couldn't see her pulling off playing a teenager, but she got it down 
excellently. In answer to a comment I saw somewhere, yes, that is her 
*real* voice, squeakiness and fingernails-on-a-blackboard 
scratchiness included. :-)

- The Chamber squence, with a couple of exceptions. However, having 
heard all the hype about how wonderful it was and how they'd made it 
look taller than it was, I was expecting it to be somewhat *more* 
impressive. I'd got the impression from some of the publicity 
material that at some stage Ron was in the Chamber itself; I was 
relieved to find that this isn't the case.

- Little touches in the script which, although departures from the 
book, added a little something. A few examples: Hermione fixing 
Harry's glasses in Diagon Alley ("Oculus Repairo") and 
Harry's "Thanks, I definitely need to remember that one". Vernon's 
reference to Hedwig as a "pigeon" (that one had me in stitches). 
Lucius's lines in Flourish & Blotts and the fact that *he* 
establishes that the Grangers are Muggles (the implication is that 
for most wizards, the distinction is irrelevant so it's never been 
brought up, but for him, it is). Unlike some, I'm glad that Arthur 
didn't physically attack Lucius.

BAD POINTS:

- First and foremost, the last scene in the Great Hall. From 
beginning to end. What the hell were they thinking? I honestly don't 
have a single good thing to say about it: Badly written, poorly 
acted, at odds with the book and so sugary that diabetics should stay 
away. It was *so* bad that I walked out of the cinema after my first 
viewing feeling the whole film was bad, as it had so coloured my 
experience. For my second viewing, I left the cinema before the cut 
to that scene and as a result, felt much better about the film 
overall.

- Daniel's acting. I'm going to be tactless and say that I'm glad 
that Daniel has interests outside acting on which he might build a 
future career, because on the evidence of this film, without some 
serious coaching he's not going to get anywhere. In his defence, 
though, I suspect that his main failing isn't necessarily a lack of 
talent, but that he seems too self-conscious. He doesn't appear to 
abandon himself to the role and half of his dialogue was spoken as if 
he didn't understand what he was saying. He did very well in the 
action sequences, but in scenes which required a degree of subtlety, 
he (or rather, Columbus) seemed to rely on his admittedly very sweet 
smile. I am geatting heartily sick of getting ultra close-ups of his 
face (a Columbus trademark). This was acceptable in the first film, 
where the character was meant to be innocent and lost in this new 
world, but CoS presents a much more complicated Harry, and this 
simply didn't come across. As with most 10 or 11 years old, he got 
the part because he looked it; that is no longer enough. Another 
element is Columbus's direction, so I might change my mind about 
Daniel after I've seen what Cuaron gets out of him.

- Rupert. This is more Columbus's fault than Rupert's. Many people 
commented on Rupert's "rubber face" abilities in the first film, and 
Columbus relied on that aspect far too much in this one. The problem 
is that Rupert's facial mimickry isn't *that* good: in this film, he 
had two basic facial expressions: gormless and terrified. There was 
little in between and very little subtelty. I think Columbus should 
have spent more effort on getting Rupert to deliver his lines 
properly (which he didn't, most of the time) rather than close in on 
his face over and over again.

- Richard Harris. He was visibly ill and haggard, and should not have 
agreed to do this film. He looked uncomfortable and was completely 
unconvincing. He did himself a major disservice by this being his 
last appearance on screen; otherwise his last film would have 
been "The Field", in which he is reputed to have been on top form 
(I've not seen it yet). 

- Tom Felton. For starters, his accent was all over the place. 
Sometimes quite upper class, sometimes straight out of the bottom of 
the Thames. YUK.

- Everyone introducing themselves. I appreciate that the team needed 
to make quick introductions to the characters for the benefit of 
viewers who may not have seen the first film, but I thought the 
introductions were a bit heavy-handed. Example: the flying car is 
outside Harry's window. Harry: "Ron, Fred, George! What are you 
doing?"; Diagon Alley: "Hello Hagrid", "Hello Hermione", with the 
names audibly underlined. Colin Creevey gets a single line in the 
whole movie: "Hello, I'm Colin Creevey. I'm in Gryffindor too". 

- Flying car sequence: too long. A more general comment: Columbus put 
too much effort into making the set pieces the talk of the film and 
some of them dragged on more than they should have. The car sequence 
is one of these. The Whomping Willow didn;t convince me at all.

- Hagrid being taken away and his return (see also above). Neither 
scene had any emotional punch and we weren't made to feel that this 
was a major bad experience.

- Parseltongue. I knew from the hype that Dan was going to be 
speaking it rather than English on screen. I didn't like the idea 
before seeing the film, and I still don't. The film's dialogue makes 
a direct reference to the first film's snake scene, during which 
Harry spoke (and heard) English, so I simply couldn't work out why 
this should change. Too big a deal of it was made during the Duelling 
Club scene, the reaction shots were limp and unconvincing, and 
considering its length, it took Snape *far* too long to do anything 
about it. The audience would have shared Harry's (and everyone 
else's) astonishment if the on-screen snake dialogue had been in 
English. 

A FEW OTHER COMMENTS

I'll try not to raise things I've seen in other posts. These are 
mainly changes from the book; some of them I liked, some not. These 
are in the order in which they occur to me rather than movie running 
order.

- Lack of apology from Justin Filtch-Fletchley for having suspected 
Harry. Although there was only one scene which implied the pupils' 
distrust of Harry (F&G's "make way for the heir" was redone to a 
statement during Quidditch practice), it was too subtle (not 
something one would expect from Columbus!), this arc needed closure.

- Harry's "Sir" to Vernon after Dobby's first appearance. Sorry, it 
just wouldn't happoen in England. What happened to the first movie's 
respectful "Uncle Vernon"?

- Despite my reservations above about Dan's acting, I thought his 
delivery of the "I'll be in my room [...] pretenting I don't exist" 
line was done to perfection. Just the right hint of sarcasm, a little 
glint in his eye, but on the surface, very respectful.

- Ginny's reference to "jumper" at The Burrow. The tittering in the 
various audiences with which I saw the movie indicated where the 
online fans were sitting, anticipating the US audiences' reaction. :-)

- At Flourish & Blotts, it's the photographer who pulls Harry out of 
the crowd, not Lockhart (although Lockhart does notice him). I would 
have preferred it if the original version had prevailed. In fact, had 
I been the director, I'd have arranged the whole scene entirely 
differently.

- Lucius ends the F&B confrontation with "see you at work" to Arthur. 
I don't like the idea of Malfoy "working" at the Ministry, nor do I 
like the implication that he can consider Arthur a "colleague" in any 
way. This was mirrored by Draco's "see you at school" to the Trio 
immediately afterwards, of course.

- Draco as vandal/thief. A couple of hints to this effect are made. 
Draco's first appearance at Flourish & Blotts features him tearing a 
page out of a book and putting it in his pocket. Later on, in the 
Slytherin common room, he picks up a box from the table, asks C&G (ie 
Harry & Ron) :-) if it's theirs and pockets it when they say no. 

- Lucius putting the diary into Ginny's cauldron is very, very 
obvious if you're looking out for it. But for first-time viewers, 
it's imperceptible. VERY well done.

- I suspect this is going to be controversial: I didn't like the way 
THE anagram was done. Yes, it was done *exactly* the way it was in 
the book, in which it worked fine. But after Riddle's speech, writing 
his name in the air takes too long. This was meant to be a major 
climax, but it was deflated by the delay in getting the letters up. 
If it had been down to me, I'd have had him point at the diary (or 
rather, his embossed name thereon), and have those letters rearrange 
themselves. 

- Lack of Ron's detention at the beginning. Riddle's plaque appeared 
in the first movie; making a direct reference to it this time would 
have been a very nice touch, and had viewers scurrying for their 
DVDs/videos as soon as they got home. ;-)

- I did, however, like Hermione & Ron telling Harry that hearing 
voices is a BAD thing even in the wizarding world (and having it 
confirmed by a picture on the wall). This made Harry's reluctance to 
say anything about it much more believable.

- No Dippett in the diary flashback, with the plot elements provided 
by Dumbledore istead. I liked this, and in particular his "do you 
have something you want to tell me?" and his dismissal of Tom 
mirroring his dismissal of Harry.

- I'm not 100% certain, but I think the guard at King's Cross was the 
same guy from the first movie. Nice touch. :-)

- Harry's request to Dumbledore at the end of the movie "Can I have 
that?" rather than the book's "Can I give that diary back to Mr 
Malfoy, please?" is *so* much weaker. I did, however, prefer putting 
the sock inside the diary rather than the other way around. However, 
the sock was a little too clean. :-) (incidentally, nice bit of 
foreshadowing: Dobby falls out of the wardrobe at the beginning of 
the film with a dirty sock on his nose...).

- The Howler. Whilst the animation was very good, the sequence 
petered out, rather than ended with a (literal) bang, and I 
particularly didn't like the Ginny congratulations tacked onto the 
end.

- The Weasley clock. Positions include "Dentist" and "Quidditch". 
Very amusing. Note, however,we only see the top half of it up close. 
Doubtless the production team thought that seeing the rest might be a 
spoiler... :-)

OK, I think I'll end this here as I need to go out and I see there's 
a temporary lull in the rain. :-) Some more thoughts might occur to 
me with time (and further viewings).






From editor at texas.net  Mon Nov 11 15:57:27 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:57:27 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle
References: <aqn7j0+spb4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007301c2899b$09a8f880$6204a6d8@texas.net>


> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> ---
>
> I saw the movie yesterday, and there's one thing that's really
> bugging me - Tom Riddle's robes. I re-read CoS last year just after
> seeing the first movie, and was thinking of how it would look on film
> the whole time I was reading it. What occurred to me was that in the
> diary scenes we would see Tom Riddle/Voldemort at school, and would
> then have definitive information on what house he was in, from the
> crest on his robes. So I was taking particular notice of his robes in
> those scenes. Now, as we know, Riddle was a Slytherin - Hagrid told
> us so. So, in that case, why does Riddle have on his robes not a
> Slytherin crest at all, but the Hogwarts crest like the first years
> have before they're sorted? Not only that, but he was wearing what my
> sister insists is a Ravenclaw jumper - with a blue stripe round the
> neck.

L.O.O.N. on deck. Technically, canon does not provide an iron-clad link that
Tom Riddle was in Slytherin. This is frustrating but true. Hagrid says that
You-Know-Who was from Slytherin (I think this is correct; the point is, it
is *Voldemort* and *not* Tom Riddle identified as being Slytherin).
Dumbledore later says that not very many people know that Tom Riddle became
Voldemort. Given that Hagrid is not a 100% reliable source, the tiny
breakdown of knowledge (*did* Hagrid know it was Tom Riddle who became
Voldemort?) cannot be bridged except by a logical guess. It's not
canonically certain. Yet. So Riddle could have defensibly worn any of the
House robes without violating canon.

~Amanda






From tinajgr at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 11 16:55:46 2002
From: tinajgr at yahoo.com (Tina)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:55:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thank you!
In-Reply-To: <1037017368.2501.50194.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021111165546.15418.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello everyone,
I would like to sincerely thank those who took the extra time and effort to write the negative reviews for the most anticipated movie of this season (maybe even of this year?). Although I'm disappointed with a few of the changes they've done that I've read here, I've gotten over them pretty well, and I'm sure to enjoy the movie much more than if I hadn't known what the changes were. Again, thank *you*!!! :)
~Tina



"I went off and read the [Harry Potter] books after the audition and I read all four books in one sitting - you know - didn't wash, didn't eat, drove around with them on the steering wheel like a lunatic. I suddenly understood why my friends, who I'd thought where slightly backward, had been so addicted to these books. They're like crack." -Jason Isaacs, Lucius Malfoy in Chamber of Secrets 
"The first movie, I wanted more Alan Rickman," [director Chris] Columbus said. "The second movie, I wanted more Alan Rickman. But we focused on the story, which follows the kids."



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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Mon Nov 11 19:03:40 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:03:40 -0000
Subject: SPOILER AND Thank you too.
References: <20021111165546.15418.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002601c289b5$12545dc0$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

Having had a few days since seeing the film and done a post on it, I am now
much more decided.  I have a quibble or two but, ultimately, I really loved
it and will go again.  I am sorry that Tina thinks everyone has been
negative, count me out of that one dear girl and here's why!

I know I really liked it because.....  I still keep remembering things I
enjoyed, such as the classroom scene with Prof. McGonagall, beautifully
staged, animals here and there everyone looking like a proper school room,
the Prof starting to go around making everyone have a go at the spell (Ron
really shines!!).  Arthur Weasley, as GulPlum says, makes an all too brief
appearance, but he really is absolutely lovely and anyone would love a dad
like him AND want to live in a house like the Burrow.  The twins were
smashing and I wish they could be in it more.  I loved the flying car, being
a Ford Angular fan of long standing I found it a real hero in itself, and
adored the spiders (no really I DID......).  The one thing that few have
mentioned that I really admired was the Whomping Willow.  It is absolutely
awesome, and you really feared for Ron and Harry's lives at the time.

I adored Rupert, he did not strike me as doing his rubber faced bit too
much.  Faced with spiders a good 20 feet across I would look more or less
the same (maybe I did while sat in the cinema) and Daniel was, to me, a fine
hero and really came good in the Chamber itself, which I liked, after all
JKR gives it limitless space and leavesden is above a tube (subway) line....
Lucius Malfoy is splendid, brandishing his rather spectacular cane and Tom
Riddle reminds me of the old film matinee idols all smooth good looks and a
real bad 'un underneath, splendid stuff.

Where I think many are upset are where the spirit has been followed rather
than the word, if you get my drift.  So, rather than have umpteen quibbles
about upteen different bits, I can say, hand on heart that they would been
hanged if they did and hanged if they didn't do whatever they chose to do,
but I enjoyed it Tina 100% and will be going again (and maybe again and
again....)

Felicia

>
> Hello everyone,
> I would like to sincerely thank those who took the extra time and effort
to write the negative reviews for the most anticipated movie of this season
(maybe even of this year?). Although I'm disappointed with a few of the
changes they've done that I've read here, I've gotten over them pretty well,
and I'm sure to enjoy the movie much more than if I hadn't known what the
changes were. Again, thank *you*!!! :)
> ~Tina
>






From aphrael at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 11 19:15:18 2002
From: aphrael at hotmail.com (Carla Donnell)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:15:18 -0500
Subject: Dumbledore recasting
Message-ID: <F146zHkQtMXitvVjJuY00003672@hotmail.com>

Can't wait for Friday!  Anyway, to the casting matter at hand...my friend 
and I were discussing the recasting of Dumbledore and thought that Donald 
Sutherland would make a fine replacement...thoughts?

Carla :)

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From carrie.williams66 at ntlworld.com  Mon Nov 11 19:27:44 2002
From: carrie.williams66 at ntlworld.com (Carrie Williams)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:27:44 -0000
Subject: MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle
In-Reply-To: <007301c2899b$09a8f880$6204a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <aqp0bg+vqht@eGroups.com>


> 
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> > ---
> >

I asked for theories on Tom Riddle's robes as they appear in the CoS 
movie.

Melody suggested:

>I put forth that since Riddle is a student from 50 years before, his
>robes would be different. Over time uniforms evolve so it is a
>possibility. After all, the exact color green could change, and the
>crest could of been a uniting Hogwarts crest before the individual
>houses used theirs. Also the lining of Riddle's robe is different
>from the modern version, and Riddle's robe only has on loop clasp
>instead of the two clasps in the present robes.

Thanks for pointing out the other differences, Melody. I was so 
distracted by the crest, I didn't notice them. He also wears a 
blazer, and I think (not positive) that the modern day students don't 
wear these. So yes, changes in the uniform would be a plausible 
explanation. 

However, Amanda then pointed out this:

> L.O.O.N. on deck. Technically, canon does not provide an iron-clad 
link that
> Tom Riddle was in Slytherin. This is frustrating but true. Hagrid 
says that
> You-Know-Who was from Slytherin (I think this is correct; the point 
is, it
> is *Voldemort* and *not* Tom Riddle identified as being Slytherin).
> Dumbledore later says that not very many people know that Tom 
Riddle became
> Voldemort. Given that Hagrid is not a 100% reliable source, the tiny
> breakdown of knowledge (*did* Hagrid know it was Tom Riddle who 
became
> Voldemort?) cannot be bridged except by a logical guess. It's not
> canonically certain. Yet. 

Which is exactly what is making me so suspicious. The Hagrid 
quote: "Slytherin. You-know-who was one" comes from PS (don't have a 
page number, sorry) but I agree that Hagrid isn't the most reliable 
source on these things. And - not wanting to stir up something that's 
been discussed many times already, but - Riddle isn't a pureblood, 
and Slytherin didn't even want non-purebloods at Hogwarts. So surely 
he wouldn't like them in his house.

So. Could Rowling have a surprise in store for us regarding 
Voldemort/Riddle's affiliation? I kind of hope so. I think it would 
also fit with Dumbledore's choices over abilities speech if it were 
to turn out that the most evil wizard of all time were to have come 
from a house other than Slytherin. And for me the deliberately 
ambiguous robes seem to back up this possibility.

Carrie1138




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Mon Nov 11 21:03:09 2002
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:03:09 -0000
Subject: MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle
In-Reply-To: <aqn7j0+spb4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqp5ud+35pa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Carrie Williams" <carrie.williams66 at n...> 
wrote:
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> ---
> 
> I saw the movie yesterday, and there's one thing that's really 
> bugging me - Tom Riddle's robes. <Snip>

> Now, as we know, Riddle was a Slytherin - Hagrid told 
> us so. So, in that case, why does Riddle have on his robes not a 
> Slytherin crest at all, but the Hogwarts crest like the first 
>years  have before they're sorted? Not only that, but he was 
> wearing what my sister insists is a Ravenclaw jumper - with a blue 
> stripe round the neck.
 
> 
> I have a couple of theories:
> 1 (the paranoid one): they are hiding something from us! Riddle 
may 
> turn out not to have been a Slytherin at all.
> 
> 2: Riddle created the images he showed Harry in the diary, and he 
> simply replaced the Slytherin crest on his robes with the Hogwarts 
> one because he knew Harry wouldn't trust a Slytherin.
> 
> Any other theories on this will be gratefully received - the more 
> outlandish the better!
> 
> Carrie1138, 

I'd go for theory 1. myself. They've changed the uniform for 50 
years ago so it's NOT obvious what house Riddle was in. 

Moaning Myrtle seemed to have the same 'Hogwarts' crest on her 
ghostly cloak as well (it was a bit difficult to tell, but I 
remember thinking 'that doesn't look like the Slytherin crest', so 
theory 2. is probably unlikely. 

It's a quite deliberate change, and the only reason I can think of 
is that they want to keep it quiet which house Riddle was in. And 
the only reason for that I can think of is that, actually, we don't 
know what House Voldemort comes from at all.

Perhaps we're going to find out he was a Gryffindor?

Pip
[making a rare foray onto the movie list]




From corgi at SFF.net  Mon Nov 11 23:04:14 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:04:14 -0000
Subject: Jason Carter for Sirius Black - appearance
Message-ID: <aqpd1e+tl2j@eGroups.com>

Just for those who would like to see AngerManagement!Jason in light 
of his possible Sirius Blackness:

Charmed, Nov 13 (Wednesday), 5 PM on TNT.

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
The Biggs & Carter Experience =rocks= severely!




From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 11 23:15:16 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:15:16 -0000
Subject: MOVIE SPOILER - Tom Riddle
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "bluesqueak" <pipdowns at e...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Carrie Williams" <carrie.williams66 at n...> 
> wrote:
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> > ---
> > 
> > I have a couple of theories:
> > 1 (the paranoid one): they are hiding something from us! Riddle 
> may 
> > turn out not to have been a Slytherin at all.
> > 
> > 2: Riddle created the images he showed Harry in the diary, and he 
> > simply replaced the Slytherin crest on his robes with the 
Hogwarts 
> > one because he knew Harry wouldn't trust a Slytherin.
> > 
> > Any other theories on this will be gratefully received - the more 
> > outlandish the better!
> > 
> > Carrie1138, 
> 
> I'd go for theory 1. myself. They've changed the uniform for 50 
> years ago so it's NOT obvious what house Riddle was in. 
> 
> Moaning Myrtle seemed to have the same 'Hogwarts' crest on her 
> ghostly cloak as well (it was a bit difficult to tell, but I 
> remember thinking 'that doesn't look like the Slytherin crest', so 
> theory 2. is probably unlikely. 

There is a pic somewhere of Shirley Henderson as Moaning Myrtle in 
non-ghost form, and the crest on her robe is clearly the quartered 
arms of Hogwarts, rather than an individual house crest.  So yeah, my 
vote is with theory 1, too.

~Christi, getting her tickets tomorrow.




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Nov 11 23:24:33 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1904 08:48:58 +0100
Subject: SPOILER; CoS review, the good and the bad 
Message-ID: <v01540b00000aa9b994fb@[195.184.231.221]>

Following on from Richard's post:-

>SP
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I agree with most of what you said; here are my comments on your review,
and a couple of others thrown in:-

>GOOD POINTS:

>- Polyjuice sequence and Moaning Myrtle. The transformation itself is
>a very cinematic moment in the book anyway, but I thought the few
>changes they introduced were for the good. The Crabbe & Goyle actors
>playing Ron & Harry playing themselves were terrific. Ron's
>throwaway "how thick can you get?" line was priceless (in the book, I
>found it a bit weird that C&G would go for it).

I liked that they kept DR/RG's voices throughout.

> Having seen Shirley
>Henderson in "Once Upon a Time in the Midlands" just recently, I
>couldn't see her pulling off playing a teenager, but she got it down
>excellently. In answer to a comment I saw somewhere, yes, that is her
>*real* voice, squeakiness and fingernails-on-a-blackboard
>scratchiness included. :-)

She was also in Bridget Jones's Diary; squeakiness a little toned down.


>BAD POINTS:
>
>- First and foremost, the last scene in the Great Hall. From
>beginning to end. What the hell were they thinking?

I concluded that Columbus had had his way on that, over Heyman's advice. I
cannot *ever* imagine British teenagers acting like that. Utterly wrong.
How do you think they should have ended the movie?

>
>- Daniel's acting. I'm going to be tactless and say that I'm glad
>that Daniel has interests outside acting on which he might build a
>future career, because on the evidence of this film, without some
>serious coaching he's not going to get anywhere. In his defence,
>though, I suspect that his main failing isn't necessarily a lack of
>talent, but that he seems too self-conscious.(snip) Another
>element is Columbus's direction, so I might change my mind about
>Daniel after I've seen what Cuaron gets out of him.

I don't really agree about DR's acting; I think that he has it in him, but
I also think that Columbus doesn't manage to bring it out. I noticed in
PS/SS that it's always worth watching DR's eyes; he manages to convey
emotion very well with them, but his body-language is not as eloquent. I
found the body-language better in CoS (though he still flaps his hands
about on occasion; Columbus should have cured that by now) but didn't
really observe his eyes too closely; will watch out for that next time
around.
Best examples of conveying emotion through his eyes in PS/SS; when he
watches Uncle Vernon burning the letters, and in the outtake which appeared
on the DVD when he is in the Great Hall, mesmerised by the Mirror of
Erised.


>- Tom Felton. For starters, his accent was all over the place.
>Sometimes quite upper class, sometimes straight out of the bottom of
>the Thames. YUK.

Sorry, can't resist a 'Me too' here. It was particularly startling in
contrast to Isaacs's very patrician accent.

>- Parseltongue. I knew from the hype that Dan was going to be
>speaking it rather than English on screen. I didn't like the idea
>before seeing the film, and I still don't. The film's dialogue makes
>a direct reference to the first film's snake scene, during which
>Harry spoke (and heard) English, so I simply couldn't work out why
>this should change.

Yes; the later scenes in  Parseltongue would have been enough.

> Too big a deal of it was made during the Duelling
>Club scene, the reaction shots were limp and unconvincing, and
>considering its length, it took Snape *far* too long to do anything
>about it.

What I noticed was that the snake did not visibly back off when Harry spoke
to it, as it should have done. Also; why did the other kids keep hanging
around the stage area when the snake appeared? Surely the natural reaction
would be to retreat as fast as possible, with the snake pursuing if
necessary.

>A FEW OTHER COMMENTS
>- Lack of apology from Justin Filtch-Fletchley for having suspected
>Harry. Although there was only one scene which implied the pupils'
>distrust of Harry (F&G's "make way for the heir" was redone to a
>statement during Quidditch practice), it was too subtle (not
>something one would expect from Columbus!), this arc needed closure.

But no big deal was made about Justin anyway; only that he was the one
threatened by the snake; no mention that he was Muggle-born and had told
Harry about being down for Eton. Neither did we know that Colin was
Muggle-born; those scenelets were omitted. I also thought that Harry was
too nice to Colin; in the book, the younger boy was driving him crazy with
the camera.

>- At Flourish & Blotts, it's the photographer who pulls Harry out of
>the crowd, not Lockhart (although Lockhart does notice him). I would
>have preferred it if the original version had prevailed. In fact, had
>I been the director, I'd have arranged the whole scene entirely
>differently.

Yes; and why did Lockhart not announce then that he would be the new DADA
teacher?
But I did like Branagh; excellent in the part; would have liked to have
seen more of him.

>- I'm not 100% certain, but I think the guard at King's Cross was the
>same guy from the first movie. Nice touch. :-)

Yes, it was.

>- The Howler. Whilst the animation was very good, the sequence
>petered out, rather than ended with a (literal) bang, and I
>particularly didn't like the Ginny congratulations tacked onto the
>end.

I thought that Mrs Weasley wasn't nearly fierce enough. When she was
telling Mr W about the boys taking the car, she was almost avuncular.
That's not how she was written. Julie Walters is perfectly capable of being
a harridan, so assume that this was Columbus again. The Howler should also
have been fiercer and louder; but I did like the way it was shaped like a
mouth.

>
>- The Weasley clock. Positions include "Dentist" and "Quidditch".
>Very amusing. Note, however,we only see the top half of it up close.
>Doubtless the production team thought that seeing the rest might be a
>spoiler... :-)

I would have liked to see more of The Burrow, and I really missed the
de-gnoming scene.

The Special effects were much better than in PS/SS, but I wasn't happy with
the Quidditch; not enough Quidditch, too much racing around the
grandstands, which was reminiscent of the flights through the Death Star
canyons in the first 'Star Wars' movie. I liked the de-boning!

I also liked Malfoy's comment to 'Goyle', who was wearing Harry's glasses
('They're for reading? I didn't know that you could read!') Not in the
book, because there Harry did take off his glasses when he turned into
Goyle.

Overall, I wasn't exactly spellbound by CoS; however, I seem to remember
feeling the same about PS/SS, and that one definitely grew on me. I'll
probably see CoS again next weekend. I've only managed to see it three
times already.

Regards,
Nicholas





From vj_beejay at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 11 23:52:40 2002
From: vj_beejay at yahoo.com (Beejay Bautista)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:52:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CoS in theaters here on Nov.13
Message-ID: <20021111235240.61830.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com>

yup!

that's right folks!

here in the Philippines, we can get to see CoS days a
couple of days ahead of the rest of the world (except
London, of course)

maybe it's got something to do with preventing
widespread of bootlegs

==================
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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 12 01:28:33 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:28:33 -0000
Subject: SPOILER; CoS review, the good and the bad
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Nicholas wrote, further to what I said before:

> >the last scene in the Great Hall. 
> 
> I concluded that Columbus had had his way on that, over Heyman's
> advice. I cannot *ever* imagine British teenagers acting like that. 
> Utterly wrong.
> How do you think they should have ended the movie?

I suspect that the scene was written that way in the screenplay. On 
paper, it might even have worked, but on screen it just comes across 
as gooey and disjointed.

As for what I would have done with it, well - what's wrong with the 
way it was in the book (with one or two amendments):

The feast follows on from the scene in Dumbledore's office 
(established by the same expedient as the book; Dumbledore tells 
Harry to clean up for it). 

McGonagall says it's a special celebration and announces that 
Dumbledore's back. Amid applause, he enters and takes his seat at the 
head table, announces the cancellation of exams, and in due course 
asks for a round of applause for Madam Pomfrey and Prof. Sprout, 
prompted by their coming in, leading the de-petrified students (while 
Sir Nick floats by). 

Cut to outside the (open) doors of the Great Hall and Dumbledore's 
voice announcing Hagrid's reinstatement, while we see (cleaned up) 
Harry and Ron running down the stairs to encounter a haggard but 
brightening Hagrid coming in from outside. Hermione, about to enter 
the Hall herself, notices them and turns back, shouts "you solved 
it!" ("we couldn't have done it without you!"). The quartet walk in, 
to rapturous applause from all (except the Slyths, of course) and 
apologies to Harry from Justin (we don't need to hear it; a smile 
with a proferred handshake is enough). Colin takes a picture of the 
quartet's beaming faces and the flash fades to reveal ... END TITLES.

<snip>

> I don't really agree about DR's acting; I think that he has it in
> him, but I also think that Columbus doesn't manage to bring it out. 
> I noticed in PS/SS that it's always worth watching DR's eyes; he 
> manages to convey emotion very well with them, but his body-
> language is not as eloquent. 

<snip>

I've said much the same before. :-) On the evidence to date, I do 
think that Columbus's directorial style has a large part to play in 
all this, and I welcome the chance to see Cuaron's hopefully positive 
influence on D.R.'s acting development.

> What I noticed was that the snake did not visibly back off when
> Harry spoke to it, as it should have done. Also; why did the other 
> kids keep hanging around the stage area when the snake appeared? 
> Surely the natural reaction would be to retreat as fast as 
> possible, with the snake pursuing if necessary.

I can perhaps understand the kids being frozen from fear, but I 
cannot understand Snape not taking action sooner. 

> No big deal was made about Justin anyway; only that he was the one
> threatened by the snake; no mention that he was Muggle-born and had 
> told Harry about being down for Eton. Neither did we know that 
> Colin was Muggle-born; those scenelets were omitted. 

Whilst not establishing it for a fact, the script seriously implied 
that Justin and Colin were Muggle-born (by dint of stating that 
the "monster" was going after mudbloods). I would have preferred the 
script to have established that they were from opposite ends of the 
Muggle social structure, though. 

> I also thought that Harry was too nice to Colin; in the book, the 
> younger boy was driving him crazy with the camera.

Indeed. The film was so rushed and anxious to move from set-piece to 
set-piece that it neglected any kind of characterisation for the new 
kids at all. 

<snip - Flourish & Blotts>

> Yes; and why did Lockhart not announce then that he would be the
> new DADA teacher?

To be perfectly honest, I rather liked the fact that he didn't. It 
made the Lockhart-Harry relationship the centre of the scene, rather 
than his teaching appointment.

> I would have liked to see more of The Burrow, and I really missed
> the de-gnoming scene.

I managed to live without it, and indeed never expected it to be 
included in the first place. The script was rushed enough as it was. 
As for The Burrow, what struck me was the hulabaloo several months 
ago about the set of the whole house being built (at huge expense), 
yet the only shot we got of it was a distant view of it as the car 
landed (all of which wasn't the real set, I suspect). Incidentally, 
the boys entering the kitchen acted like they were breaking into a 
stranger's house, not creeping into their own. 

> Overall, I wasn't exactly spellbound by CoS; however, I seem to
> remember feeling the same about PS/SS, and that one definitely grew 
> on me. 

I saw PS/SS before reading the books, and was enchanted by it (with a 
few minor reservations). My experience of CoS has, by necessity, been 
clouded by my knowledge of the source material (which I've 
deliberately not touched for several months), and overall I was 
equally impressed by it, except for that damp squib of an ending.

> I'll probably see CoS again next weekend. I've only managed 
> to see it three times already.

"*Only* three times"! If you were to say that anywhere else, people 
would think you were crazy. :-)





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Nov 12 02:09:01 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:09:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SPOILER; CoS review, the good and the bad
References: <v01540b00000aa9b994fb@[195.184.231.221]>
Message-ID: <010801c289f0$78b3c980$3ca3cdd1@istu757>


>
> >SP
> >OI
> >LE
> >RS
> >
> >A
> >H
> >E
> >A
> >D

Nicholas writes:

> I concluded that Columbus had had his way on that, over Heyman's advice. I
> cannot *ever* imagine British teenagers acting like that. Utterly wrong.
> How do you think they should have ended the movie?

I must say, as much as I loved PS/SS I don't think a time went by when I
didn't say "Harry's not *supposed* to hug Hagrid!"  Still, that ending
sounds a bit better than the cheesyness of CoS sounds!

> I don't really agree about DR's acting; I think that he has it in him, but
> I also think that Columbus doesn't manage to bring it out. I noticed in
> PS/SS that it's always worth watching DR's eyes;

Strongly agreed there.  Daniel's eyes are incredibly expressive.
Incredibly.  He most definitely has it in him, in fact, have you seen the
David Copperfield he did pre-HP?  He was very convincing, heart wrenching
and everything.  I don't think Columbus (as much as I liked him) was the
best for bringing out his emotions.  I think perhaps a change of director
will help him in that sense.

> he manages to convey
> emotion very well with them, but his body-language is not as eloquent. I

That's the main problem I ever had with DR's acting--his body language isn't
natural at times.

> found the body-language better in CoS (though he still flaps his hands
> about on occasion; Columbus should have cured that by now) but didn't
> really observe his eyes too closely; will watch out for that next time
> around.

About that hand flapping thing--did you see him on TRL?  He actually does
that in real life. :)  I'm sure it had something to do with being nervous,
though.  It's greatly toned down in the movie.

Richard wrote:

> >- Parseltongue. I knew from the hype that Dan was going to be
> >speaking it rather than English on screen. I didn't like the idea
> >before seeing the film, and I still don't. The film's dialogue makes
> >a direct reference to the first film's snake scene, during which
> >Harry spoke (and heard) English, so I simply couldn't work out why
> >this should change.

This is one thing I really don't understand.  I mean, we always seem to hear
what Harry hears.  Thus the voice in the wall and so on.   Harry heard
English, we should've heard English.  He didn't know he was speaking
parseltongue until Ron and Hermione told him.  It should've been the same
for us.  I mean, when they get to PoA we've got to hear what Harry hears
when he has flashbacks, right?  Screams and all.

Back to Nicholas:

> Overall, I wasn't exactly spellbound by CoS; however, I seem to remember
> feeling the same about PS/SS, and that one definitely grew on me. I'll
> probably see CoS again next weekend. I've only managed to see it three
> times already.

Is that all?  Only three times?  After all, it hasn't even been released to
the general public yet!  As for PS/SS I liked it the first time I saw it,
but hadn't even read the books yet.  After reading the books and rewatching
(a zillion times) PS/SS I now LOVE it.  In fact, I have it on right now,
just to listen to if nothing else.

Richelle






From deidre at panix.com  Tue Nov 12 04:34:43 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:34:43 -0500
Subject: ADMIN: Reminder About Posting Rules
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At 12:22 PM 11/11/02 +0000, Elkins wrote:
>Message: 19
>    Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:52:17 -0000
>    From: "ssk7882" <skelkins at attbi.com>
>Subject: ADMIN: Reminder About Posting Rules
>
>SNIPPING & ATTRIBUTING (Section 2.4)
>
>Be sure to snip off unnecessary quoted material when replying to
>someone. Be sure to properly attribute quotes to the correct person.

Thank you so much for posting this. <smiles>  I, as I suspect many here 
are, am on the digest format of this list, and of late, almost a third of 
the digest is repeated quoted posts, with carats going several deep. And 
here I was, just about to email the mods and ask them if there was anything 
that could be done about the overly quoted material. You have read my mind. 
<g> Getting rid of too much quoting is very easy, just cut out the part 
that one isn't replying to.

About the spelling, well, I don't know of any email program that doesn't 
have a spell checker. <g>

Deidre, back to lurk





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Nov 12 16:39:59 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:39:59 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SPOILER; CoS review, the good and the bad
Message-ID: <v01540b00b9f6d9759461@[212.56.33.24]>

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Richard and I were discussing the final scene of CoS:-
Richard:-
>As for what I would have done with it, well - what's wrong with the
>way it was in the book (with one or two amendments):
>
>The feast follows on from the scene in Dumbledore's office
>(established by the same expedient as the book; Dumbledore tells
>Harry to clean up for it).
>
(snip)
>Cut to outside the (open) doors of the Great Hall and Dumbledore's
>voice announcing Hagrid's reinstatement, while we see (cleaned up)
>Harry and Ron running down the stairs to encounter a haggard but
>brightening Hagrid coming in from outside. Hermione, about to enter
>the Hall herself, notices them and turns back, shouts "you solved
>it!" ("we couldn't have done it without you!"). The quartet walk in,
>to rapturous applause from all (except the Slyths, of course) and
>apologies to Harry from Justin (we don't need to hear it; a smile
>with a proferred handshake is enough). Colin takes a picture of the
>quartet's beaming faces and the flash fades to reveal ... END TITLES.

Complete with swelling music and panoramic view of Hogwarts. Yes, I like this.

This was me:-

>> I don't really agree about DR's acting; I think that he has it in
>> him, but I also think that Columbus doesn't manage to bring it out.
>> I noticed in PS/SS that it's always worth watching DR's eyes; he
>> manages to convey emotion very well with them, but his body-
>> language is not as eloquent.
>
><snip>
>
Richard:-
>I've said much the same before. :-)

Oh, sorry; I haven't been part of this list for long. I actually have also
said it before; on another (non-HP) list, immediately after PS/SS was
released and someone was being snide about young Daniel's acting.
It's quite surprising to what extent the HP glasses do hide DR's eyes,
which is unfortunate when, as we agree, that's how he conveys emotion.

Me again:-

>> What I noticed was that the snake did not visibly back off when
>> Harry spoke to it, as it should have done. Also; why did the other
>> kids keep hanging around the stage area when the snake appeared?
>> Surely the natural reaction would be to retreat as fast as
>> possible, with the snake pursuing if necessary.
>
>I can perhaps understand the kids being frozen from fear, but I
>cannot understand Snape not taking action sooner.

No, a whole roomful wouldn't be frozen from fear; some might, most would
back off PDQ. That's what I did when once someone shoved a snake in my face
as a joke. (Fortunately, spiders don't bother me). The Snape thing didn't
concern me; I accepted that he was stunned by the Parseltongue.

(big snip)
Me again:-
>> Overall, I wasn't exactly spellbound by CoS; however, I seem to
>> remember feeling the same about PS/SS, and that one definitely grew
>> on me.
>
Richard:-
>I saw PS/SS before reading the books, and was enchanted by it (with a
>few minor reservations). My experience of CoS has, by necessity, been
>clouded by my knowledge of the source material (which I've
>deliberately not touched for several months), and overall I was
>equally impressed by it, except for that damp squib of an ending.

Okay. I was one of the ones already hooked on the books pre PS/SS and
determined not to see the film, which couldn't possibly live up to
expectations. I changed my mind about seeing the movie when I saw a photo
of the Diagon Alley set, and although, indeed, a film never quite achieves
what the book does, PS/SS certainly grew on me.

Me again:-

>> I'll probably see CoS again next weekend. I've only managed
>> to see it three times already.

Richard:-
>"*Only* three times"! If you were to say that anywhere else, people
>would think you were crazy. :-)

Well, that might possibly be why I haven't mentioned it anywhere else,
including to my nearest and dearest, who know that I went once but
otherwise thought that I had a lot of errands to run last weekend. And, by
the way, phrases about pots and kettles come to mind; did you not say that
you had been *four* times?
:-)

Regards,
Nicholas





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Nov 12 16:40:01 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:40:01 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SPOILER; CoS review, the good and the bad
Message-ID: <v01540b01b9f6dcf065b7@[212.56.33.24]>

>>
>> >SP
>> >OI
>> >LE
>> >RS
>> >
>> >A
>> >H
>> >E
>> >A
>> >D
>
This is Richelle's response to my post yesterday.

Me:-
>> I don't really agree about DR's acting; I think that he has it in him, but
>> I also think that Columbus doesn't manage to bring it out. I noticed in
>> PS/SS that it's always worth watching DR's eyes;
>
Richelle:-
>Strongly agreed there.  Daniel's eyes are incredibly expressive.
>Incredibly.  He most definitely has it in him, in fact, have you seen the
>David Copperfield he did pre-HP?  He was very convincing, heart wrenching
>and everything.

Yes, I have it on video. It's surprising to what extent DR's eyes really
dominate his face, so, as I have just said to Richard, it's a pity that
they are hidden by the HP glasses; the props become a handicap to the
acting.

(snip)
Me again:-
>> he manages to convey
>> emotion very well with them, but his body-language is not as eloquent. I
>
Richelle:-
>That's the main problem I ever had with DR's acting--his body language isn't
>natural at times.
(snip)
>About that hand flapping thing--did you see him on TRL?  He actually does
>that in real life. :)  I'm sure it had something to do with being nervous,
>though.  It's greatly toned down in the movie.

No, I didn't see that. I did VCR a couple of interviews last week, and will
check them out for the hand-flapping thing. It's okay in real life, of
course, but Columbus should have stopped it in the movie, because it looks
amateurish.

snip the rest.
Regards,
Nicholas





From betsyfallon at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 12 18:34:27 2002
From: betsyfallon at hotmail.com (betsy fallon)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:34:27 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore recasting
In-Reply-To: <F146zHkQtMXitvVjJuY00003672@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <aqrhjj+2oqq@eGroups.com>

What about Sean Connery?  He has a certain twinkle in his eye and a 
very sexy smirk.

Betsy


--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Carla Donnell" <aphrael at h...> wrote:
> Can't wait for Friday!  Anyway, to the casting matter at hand...my 
friend 
> and I were discussing the recasting of Dumbledore and thought that 
Donald 
> Sutherland would make a fine replacement...thoughts?
> 
> Carla :)
> 
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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Nov 12 18:42:28 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:42:28 -0000
Subject: Snip Snaps 
In-Reply-To: <010801c289f0$78b3c980$3ca3cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aqri2k+k6b3@eGroups.com>

Two things. OK three then.  

Firstly, further to a previous post about length and editing, some of 
the CoS film posts *have* been long recently as HPfGU Movie members 
have, in all fairness, had a great deal to say and to respond to.   
Personally, I think the posting and snipping has been moderately 
fine.  If it wasn't Rent-A-Mod would give the Movie group a hefty 
collective clip about the ears or Howlers would be sent, and (scans 
the horizon) I see no Mods <pauses> yet




Secondly, after just one viewing the music in CoS did not make as 
huge an impression as in PS (but there is obviously enough to fill a 
cd).  I would be interested to know if anyone has seen the five 
covers rumoured to be available, as I hope for a Snape flavoured 
one
.. 

Finally, a little enlightenment please on William Ross, arranger of 
the John Williams music for CoS?  I am not a regular film-goer and am 
not familiar with his work elsewhere.  

Felicia





From mage_83 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 12 18:54:27 2002
From: mage_83 at hotmail.com (Dara Ware)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:54:27 -0000
Subject: Snip Snaps
In-Reply-To: <aqri2k+k6b3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqrip3+o76d@eGroups.com>

 
> Secondly, after just one viewing the music in CoS did not make as 
> huge an impression as in PS (but there is obviously enough to fill 
a 
> cd).  I would be interested to know if anyone has seen the five 
> covers rumoured to be available, as I hope for a Snape flavoured 
> one
.. 
>

I'm thinking that the five covers were the five different posters 
that were online somewhere a while ago (I've also seen them hanging 
in theaters) but they are of Harry, Hermione, Ron, Dumbledore and 
Hagrid.

(ooh!  found the link!  it is: 
http://harrypotter.warnerbros.com/web/dailyprophet/article.jsp?
id=theatre_banners )

As for William Ross, a quick trip to imdb produces this link:

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Ross,+William+(I)

which shows he's done a lot movies, none with particuarly memorable 
scores, but IIRC, I think My Dog Skip had some good music...

-Dara




From fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 12 20:29:48 2002
From: fionap19 at yahoo.co.uk (fionap19)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:29:48 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore recasting
In-Reply-To: <aqrhjj+2oqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqrobs+jsn3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "betsy fallon" <betsyfallon at h...> wrote:
> What about Sean Connery?  He has a certain twinkle in his eye and a 
> very sexy smirk.
> 
You cannot be serious!  Dumbledore with a scots accent?  I think 
not!  No I'm afraid my vote still goes for Peter O'Toole.  But in 
Azkaban we also have some other "bit parts" to be filled.  McNair the 
executioner for instance, who also crops up in Goblet.  And then 
actors have to be found for the roles of Barty Crouch Snr (and Jnr) 
as well as Mad-Eye Moody (my votes still on Billy Connolly for that 
one).

I think Derek Jacobi who did the Brother Cadfael TV series, would 
make an excellent Crouch Senior.  

Finally, I remembered the name of the actor who I think would make a 
good Lupin.......... Denis Lawson!  Not a terribly well-known name 
but he is Ewan McGregor's re-life uncle and appeared in the first 
three Star Wars movies and in the movie Local Hero.

Just my few thoughts........ for what they're worth.

Fiona Potter




From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Nov 12 20:58:33 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:58:33 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore recasting with shades of Lupin
References: <aqrobs+jsn3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c28a8e$43391a00$2ef05651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "betsy fallon" <betsyfallon at h...> wrote:
> > What about Sean Connery?  He has a certain twinkle in his eye and a
> > very sexy smirk.
> >
> You cannot be serious!  Dumbledore with a scots accent?  I think
> not!  No I'm afraid my vote still goes for Peter O'Toole.

Hmm another vote for Peter O'Toole our band continues to grow.  Nice.  I
always thought it should have been him to start with but.......

> as well as Mad-Eye Moody (my votes still on Billy Connolly for that one).

Despite earlier reservations, the name of Billy Connolly does keep popping
back.  He is a serious actor (Mrs Brown) etc., as well as a comedian and
would do the part very well.  This is a turnaround from a much earlier post
I made but I am beginning to see his good points.

> Finally, I remembered the name of the actor who I think would make a
> good Lupin.......... Denis Lawson!

I know him!  He was in a musical once!  No, that's not damning with faint
praise just my first view of the guy!!! He might be a possible Lupin, you
are right.  He was on TV ages ago (when I last watched...) and I was
impressed, maybe he could to the rathrr wry sadness tempered with hidden
steel (forged by suffering etc., etc.,).  Well done for suggesting someone
good and not too far fetched.

Felicia





From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 12 21:37:22 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:37:22 -0000
Subject: Ewan, EWAN!  *g*
Message-ID: <aqrsai+k0f2@eGroups.com>

I'm still holding out for Ewan for Lupin!  I'm sorry, I just think 
he is great.  I'm sure if you put the make-up on him, made him look 
sufficiently tortured, he'd be great!  Add a little long hair, 
shadows under the eyes, tatty clothes......voila, Lupin.

I know, I know, he's got SWIII to do, but a girl can hope..


Alora 






From htfulcher at comcast.net  Tue Nov 12 21:38:36 2002
From: htfulcher at comcast.net (marephraim)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:38:36 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore recasting with shades of Lupin
In-Reply-To: <002501c28a8e$43391a00$2ef05651@tinyjyuaxzlq>
Message-ID: <aqrscs+kbje@eGroups.com>

Felicia Rickmann wrote:
> 
> Hmm another vote for Peter O'Toole our band continues to grow.  
Nice.  I  always thought it should have been him to start with 
but.......

For anyone who doesn't believe Pteer O'Toole couldn't handle the 
role, check out his performance in "My Favourite Year." Assuming he 
doesn't have to do any more backflips for HP he'd be GREAT! 

Personally, I don't think Christopher Lee should be considered at 
all. He's a great actor but he's just not Dumbledore material.

No, no, no. O'Toole Rules!

MarEphraim




From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Tue Nov 12 23:16:22 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Jennifer Prescott)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:16:22 -0800
Subject: *SPOILER* wanted
References: <aqrscs+kbje@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DD18BC6.B49F8C0E@ka.reg.uci.edu>


Hiya,

I haven't seen CoS yet (I'm in the States, it's not my fault!! :o), so I can't read the spoilers about the movie.

However, I do have one question that I neeeed to know --

Is the Singing Valentine in the movie?

Thanks,
Jenny




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 12 23:22:49 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:22:49 -0000
Subject: *SPOILER* wanted
In-Reply-To: <3DD18BC6.B49F8C0E@ka.reg.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <aqs2g9+i452@eGroups.com>

Jennifer Prescott wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> I haven't seen CoS yet (I'm in the States, it's not my fault!! :o), 
so I can't read the spoilers about the movie.
> 
> However, I do have one question that I neeeed to know --
> 
> Is the Singing Valentine in the movie?

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

A
H
E
A
D

No. The whole Valentines sub-plot is absent.

For the record, I for one am glad. :-)






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 01:13:32 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:13:32 -0000
Subject: Hagrid [MINOR COS SPOILER]
Message-ID: <aqs8vs+g6fr@eGroups.com>

This includes reference to a VERY, VERY minor spoiler about the CoS 
movie (to wit, a reaction shot; Robbie Coltrane is too good an actor 
for it to be meaningless).

The above sounds much more ominous than it is, but I've included it 
just to be on the safe side - I've thought about the material issue 
before, but the movie crystallised it it my mind. I started writing 
this message on the main list, but decided to send it here instead -  
It's certainly relevant to the main list, where it probably should 
move if this thread goes anywhere. 

SP
OI
LE
R
--
AH
EA
D
--

When Harry meets Hagrid in Knockturn Alley and asks what he's doing 
there, as per the book, Hagrid tells him that he's looking for Flesh-
Eating Slug Repellant (F-ESR) for the school cabbages. However, 
whilst in the book, Harry gets a straight answer, Hagrid looks quite 
seriously furtive and his answer starts with significant "err"ing. 

Much later on, after the diary flashback, rather than talk about 
Hagrid's visit to Knockturn Alley as per the book, the trio encounter 
Hagrid carrying a bottle of F-ESR, this time "for the Mandrakes". 

Am I the only one who finds this a little fishy? 

I have no theory about what all of this might mean, but considering 
JKR famously gave Robbie and others insights into their characters, I 
can't help but wonder where this is going. I thought there may have 
been a connection with Ron's slug-burping incident, but that had been 
several months earlier.





From kellybroughton at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 03:22:31 2002
From: kellybroughton at yahoo.com (kellybroughton)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:22:31 -0000
Subject: *SPOILER* wanted
Message-ID: <aqsghn+2nvf@eGroups.com>


> Jennifer Prescott wrote:
> > 
> > Hiya,
> > 
> > I haven't seen CoS yet (I'm in the States, it's not my 
fault!! :o), 
> so I can't read the spoilers about the movie.
> > 
> > However, I do have one question that I neeeed to know --
> > 
> > Is the Singing Valentine in the movie?

--- GulPlum <plumeski at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> A
> H
> E
> A
> D
> 
> No. The whole Valentines sub-plot is absent.

*I write:
You mean to tell me I will never actually SEE the look on Snape's 
face when he considers the possibility of a student actually asking 
him about Love Potions, and Flitwick's dismay after Lockhart's "sly 
old dog" comment????

That is WRONG!

-kel





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 03:23:12 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:23:12 -0000
Subject: UK Box Office = US$12.4
Message-ID: <aqsgj0+ig3b@eGroups.com>

HP and the Chamber of Secrets set a new UK box office record by taking
in  7.8million pounds or $12.4 million US during the first weekend. 

At this rate, they anticipate that the gross take will be greater than
Philosopher's Stone which was #58 Million (US$92 million) in UK only.

Sorry, if someone already posted this, but I'm hopelessly far behind
on my post reading.

bboy_mn




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Nov 13 03:58:31 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:58:31 -0600
Subject: Questions, questions
References: <v01540b01b9f6dcf065b7@[212.56.33.24]>
Message-ID: <007801c28ac8$f06f1820$75a3cdd1@istu757>

I'm not sure any of this qualifies as spoilers, as I'm asking for them, but
I'll put space in anyway, just in case.

SP
OI
LE
R
SP
AC
E
SP
OI
LE
R
SP
AC
E

Yes, I'm full of questions.  Okay, first, I got the CoS soundtrack today,
inside there are several pictures.  One is a picture I'd seen on The Leaky
Cauldron and assumed it was a between scenes shot of the kids cutting up.
But it's stuck in there with the others like it's from the movie.  Harry and
Ron have their arms around each other, laughing like crazy, and Hermione's
behind them laughing.  Is this in the movie or was my first suspicion
correct?

Next question,  does Harry destroy the diary before or after Fawkes heals
him?  In the book it's after, but I thought someone said in the movie it was
before.  I think.

Third question, the thing with Draco and Quidditch and the hospital wing?
Can someone explain that one to me?  It sounds great.

Okay, I think that's all for now!

Thanks!

Richelle

****************************************************************************
****
"May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."
---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
****************************************************************************
****




From pennylin at swbell.net  Wed Nov 13 04:16:23 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:16:23 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Posting Quality
References: <aqri2k+k6b3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c28acb$6d72a7e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hello all --

Felicia noted:

<<<<<Firstly, further to a previous post about length and editing, some of the CoS film posts *have* been long recently as HPfGU Movie members 
have, in all fairness, had a great deal to say and to respond to.   
Personally, I think the posting and snipping has been moderately 
fine.  If it wasn't Rent-A-Mod would give the Movie group a hefty 
collective clip about the ears or Howlers would be sent, and (scans 
the horizon) I see no Mods <pauses> yet...>>>>>>>>>

I think some clarifications may be in order.  

First, I'm not sure what the Rent-A-Mod reference is all about.  <g>

Second, I have issued a number of ADMIN messages over the last several months, and in my absence over the weekend, Elkins issued yet another ADMIN.  We are very concerned about posting quality on this list.  I'm not sure what "I see no Mods" means, frankly.  I'd have thought our presence was quite apparent.  :--)  

Howlers are in fact being issued, but of course, all howlers are sent off-list.  

Snipping has been one of the biggest failings of posters to this list lately.  Please let this be yet another reminder to snip off unnecessary quoted material from your messages -- having reams of quoted material to parse through is hard on everyone (though most especially on digest users).  

I think overall posting quality has improved over the last few weeks, but please be mindful of snipping, attributing properly, using appropriate spelling, grammar and punctuation, avoiding one-liners, & giving some context to your own remarks.

Thanks,

Penny
for the Mods

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 04:32:06 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:32:06 -0000
Subject: UK Box Office = US$12.4
In-Reply-To: <aqsgj0+ig3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqskk6+ggh7@eGroups.com>

Steve"  wrote:
> HP and the Chamber of Secrets set a new UK box office record by 
taking
> in  7.8million pounds or $12.4 million US during the first weekend. 
> 
> At this rate, they anticipate that the gross take will be greater 
than
> Philosopher's Stone which was #58 Million (US$92 million) in UK 
only.
> 
> Sorry, if someone already posted this, but I'm hopelessly far behind
> on my post reading.

Nobody's said it here, but it's been all over HP fandom since 
yesterday morning. :-)

Putting my pedant's hat on, this doesn't count as the first weekend, 
nor has it broken the record for first weekend. It was, and broke the 
record for, a *preview* weekend (set by PS/SS last year). 

That doesn't impress me as much as some people.

It should be borne in mind that all big Hollywood productions get 
public previews in UK cinemas (it's a deliberate ploy to get word-of-
mouth advertising going from cinema-mad folk - such as myself). ;-) 
These are usually on a fairly small scale the day before, or 
occasionally the Friday a week before public release. 

To explain "small scale": Birmingham, where I live (the UK's second-
largest and second most populous city, for those who don't know) :-)
has a huge Warners multiplex, three UGC multiplexes and one Odeon 
(plus a couple of art cinemas). Public previews usually rely on one 
copy of the film at one of the UGCs, and occasionally one copy at the 
Warners, being twice shown in one of the smaller auditoria (one early 
afternoon, and one evening). For CoS, the number of copies shown 
were: UGC 3+3+2; Odeon 3 and Warners 4, and in each case, they were 
shown in the largest auditoria in each cinema, from morning to night. 

The only new films out last weekend aren't mass-public "events" 
("They" and "Rabbit Proof Fence"), so people had very little choice 
of what to see. Notably, the CoS previews  kicked out "Lilo & Stitch" 
across the board, so there were no kid-friendly movies in the cinemas 
at all.

To put the numbers into some kind of perspective, the 12-screen UGC I 
visit most often showed CoS a total of 37 times over the weekend. 
Compare that to the *14* other films being shown a total of 118 times.

Furthermore, I've just seen the James Bond preview arrangements for 
next week: there won't be any, because CoS is taking over all the 
auditoria in which it may have been shown.

It's therefore little wonder that people wondering into the cinema to 
see "something" chose to see CoS, on top of all the existing fans, 
who may or may not go again next weekend. 

Extrapolating total grosses from preview weekends is dangerous 
enough, but to do it for a film which has already blitzed its fans 
and is about to blitz the rest of the cinemas this weekend (I know 
that my 12-screen will be devoting FIVE of them to CoS!), people are 
going to get sick of it very quickly. To add insult to injury, James 
Bond 20 will be released before CoS has had a full week on public 
display, and will take away a considerable proportion of the casual 
audience.

This is all absolutely a case of counting unhatched chickens...






From editor at texas.net  Wed Nov 13 04:49:57 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:49:57 -0600
Subject: Heard this on Paul Harvey, Tuesday morning, 11-12-02
Message-ID: <01a701c28ad0$1ed06640$f005a6d8@texas.net>

Double-sending this to cast the net wide, since this is the first thing of
its kind I've heard....

I heard this in the car this morning, and downloaded the file from
paulharvey.com tonight and re-re-played it to get an accurate transcript:

"Shop talk, and this is interesting: The Harry Potter movies are not doing
as well as the Harry Potter books. Special effects, for all of their
sophistication, are still not as effective as human imagination; and
further, fourth and fifth graders surveyed say that after seeing a Harry
Potter movie, when they try to re-read a Harry Potter book, their
imagination is limited by what they have seen: "Quidditch was much more fun
in our mind's eye." So distinct is the disparity that the publisher of the
books will use no scenes from the movies on the covers of the books, and the
movie release of additional Potter books may be discontinued."

Has anyone else heard any whiff of this? This sounds improbable, but Paul
Harvey is not the type to give out unfounded rumor.....

~Amanda




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 05:15:50 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:15:50 -0000
Subject: Questions, questions
In-Reply-To: <007801c28ac8$f06f1820$75a3cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <aqsn66+921f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> I'm not sure any of this qualifies as spoilers, as I'm asking for 
> them, but I'll put space in anyway, just in case.
> 
> SP
> OI
> LE
> R
> SP
> AC
> E
> SP
> OI
> LE
> R
> SP
> AC
> E
> 
> Yes, I'm full of questions.  Okay, first, I got the CoS soundtrack 
> today, inside there are several pictures.  One is a picture I'd 
> seen on The Leaky Cauldron and assumed it was a between scenes shot 
> of the kids cutting up. But it's stuck in there with the others 
> like it's from the movie.  Harry and Ron have their arms around 
> each other, laughing like crazy, and Hermione's behind them 
> laughing.  Is this in the movie or was my first suspicion correct?

I can't be certain about this, as I've not seen the soundtrack yet, 
but what you're describing comes somwhere in the middle of the two 
options. :-)

If it's the photo I think it is, it's in the movie, but it's not a 
live-action scene - it's a magical photo in Harry's photo album. The 
film opens with him browsing through it at night in Privet Drive (the 
shot in the trailer of the reflection of James & Lily in his specs 
comes from this sequence) and the Trio photo is there as well. 

> Next question,  does Harry destroy the diary before or after Fawkes
> heals him?  In the book it's after, but I thought someone said in 
> the movie it was before.  I think.

You think correctly. :-) This has given rise to one of the many nit-
picks of the movie (as a movie, not just as an adaptation). Harry 
manages to stumble around, check Ginny's still alive, "kill" the 
diary, wait for Ginny to wake up and explain herself, and urge her to 
clear out even before Fawkes lands. 

I'm going to be REALLY anal here: 
Assuming the fang going into Harry's arm as time index 0, Riddle 
finishes saying "you have little more than a minute to live" at 60 
seconds, and Fawkes' first tear lands in the wound at 3 mins 19 
seconds.  Draw your own conclusions.

(Yes, I sat in the cinema with my watch in stopwatch mode. :-))

(incidentally, a further little spoiler for you about that scene: 
Riddle's line in the trailer "Let's match the power of Salazar 
Slytherin against the famous Harry Potter" was edited for spoiler 
purposes. It's actually "Let's match the power of Lord Voldemort, 
Heir of Salazar Slytherin, against the famous Harry Potter".)
 
> Third question, the thing with Draco and Quidditch and the hospital 
> wing? Can someone explain that one to me?  It sounds great.

The match action focuses on Harry and Draco as soon as the rogue 
bludger takes off after Harry. Harry and Draco chase around after the 
Snitch (which Harry spots above Draco's shoulder) and Draco ends 
up ... err... unseated ... on the pitch (there's a TERRIFIC reaction 
shot from Lucius sitting in the stands!). The bludger breaks Harry's 
arm, etc. Cut to the hospital wing. Draco is lying in the bed nearest 
to the door, surrounded by a couple of Slyths (Harry is in the 
furthest, with Ron and Hermione - and I think Colin). Draco is 
moaning in pretend agony. Pomfrey walks past and tells him to shut up 
and get out (i.e. there's nothing wrong with him) on her way to 
Harry's bedside with the Skele-Grow.

Foreshadowing? :-)





From eb3g at ivillage.com  Wed Nov 13 05:31:41 2002
From: eb3g at ivillage.com (jillily3g)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 05:31:41 -0000
Subject: (Jeopardy theme music, please)
Message-ID: <aqso3t+51to@eGroups.com>

As if we didn't have enough to wait for.....

'Although the first two movies have come out in November, this 
pattern 
won't be followed with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. 

'"It will come out in 2004, not 2003, and we haven't yet determined 
whether it will be summer or fall."' [David Heyman, producer 
quoted in the Calgary Herald]
http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/story.asp?id={E9BBB0B2-
7AF3-401E-9668-008E21F99B18}

Beth




From ickle_ronniekins at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 08:20:01 2002
From: ickle_ronniekins at yahoo.com (Ronald Rae Yu)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:20:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CoS comments (good ones)
Message-ID: <20021113082001.26022.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com>

(no spoilers yet)

Rest your worries aside, CoS is good! Way better than
the first movie, and believe all the reviews you've
read, it's a lot darker, funnier, and faster paced.

Even if you didn't like the first movie you will enjoy
this one.

S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
 
S
T
A
R
T
 
H
E
R
E



not much of a spoiler anyway but notice how the
spiders-swarming-around-ron-and-harry scene looks a
lot like the orcs-swarming-around-the-fellowship-scene
in LOTR.

and dobby reminded me of yoda (not jar-jar) when he
blasted lucius malfoy.

-ron yu

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From lake4fam at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 13 09:37:36 2002
From: lake4fam at earthlink.net (dittanymorgan)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:37:36 -0000
Subject: Casting Dumbledore
Message-ID: <aqt6h0+r7jf@eGroups.com>

Peter O'Toole!  What A Brilliant Idea!!  I've loved the man since I 
ran around my small Florida town in a bedspread djellabah and 
headcloth after seeing him play T. E. Lawrence (and read both Seven 
Pillars of Wisdom AND Revolt in the Desert in high school.)

I hereby join the P.O'T. for A. D. bandwagon.  Sorry, Mr Stand-in.

Too bad Mr Dale is tiny (what's your definition of Tiny?)  




From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 13 10:06:36 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:06:36 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe mediocre?
In-Reply-To: <aqmc30+h2so@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqt87c+te0f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Ali" <Ali at z...> wrote:
> SP
> OI
> LE
> R
> SP
> AC
> E
> 
> I've just read the Sunday Times review of Harry Potter and the 
> Chamber of Secrets. Apart from saying that the film should be 
> called "Hermione Grainger and the Chamber of Secrets", the 
reviewer 
> went on to say that one of the main problems with Harry was Daniel 
> Radcliffe: he is a mediocre actor. I was a little surprised by 
this. 
(some snipped)
> Ali


I haven't seen CoS yet (2 more weeks until Australia sees it; btw 
found it strange that 2 large fabric stores I went to sold out of 
decent quality black cotton... wonder if other people are making 
robes...)

Anyway, after PS/SS I also read a review about the kids' acting. It 
said something to the effect of "Well, y'know they're just kids and 
they have lots of time to improve with the later movies..." 
Personally, I thought that even in PS/SS they were all great. Sure, 
there are a few moments I thought needed more attention, but 
considering the fact that they are that young with not a lot of 
experience and doing such a great job already, wow!

Firstly, I was swept away by Emma's performance. She isn't like 
Hermione, so totally embodying the character is an impressive feat. 

I also thought Daniel's performance was a bit bland at first BUT 
really, it's not. I realised that the character Harry is, well, not 
bland, but quiet and unsure in this new world, and Daniel captured 
that perfectly. I think Daniel's acting style is a very subtle one, 
and that's a great and difficult style to accomplish. He does these 
little things you barely notice but contribute to the character in 
amazing ways.

Finally, on Rupert, I didn't really think much about his acting 
since Emma was so commanding and Daniel was so good, until I 
realised that he is just so natural you barely notice he's acting.

I was very impressed with all three of them and their different 
styles in the first movie and I can't wait to see CoS if you say 
it's that good!

skywings.




From j.balfour at lmu.ac.uk  Wed Nov 13 12:34:20 2002
From: j.balfour at lmu.ac.uk (Daisy)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:34:20 -0000
Subject: Casting Sirius
Message-ID: <aqtgsc+10ud@eGroups.com>

I've said this before, and I'll say it again (!) but the only man I 
will be happy to see play Sirius Black is the brrrrrilliant 
Christopher Ecclestone.  He is a *superb* character actor, as well as 
looking the part...well, in my mind anyway!

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/5978/Strumpet2.html

[For those of you who don't know him, he has been in films such as 
Shallow Grave, Jude and Elizabeth. He is probably best known on TV 
for Cracker and Our Friends in the North and I saw him onstage as 
Hamlet last week, in which he was utterly superb.]

Anyone persuaded...? 

Jules




From ed4u at attbi.com  Wed Nov 13 12:44:22 2002
From: ed4u at attbi.com (Katy Melo)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:44:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Sirius
References: <aqtgsc+10ud@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c28b12$6421bcc0$6401a8c0@ne2.client2.attbi.com>

Ok I couldnt get the link to come in ? I am really wondering who will be
enough to "fit the part" He is such a strong character to play!!

Katy
Dying to see the COS!!!!!

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Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Sirius


> I've said this before, and I'll say it again (!) but the only man I
> will be happy to see play Sirius Black is the brrrrrilliant
> Christopher Ecclestone.  He is a *superb* character actor, as well as
> looking the part...well, in my mind anyway!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/5978/Strumpet2.html
>
> [For those of you who don't know him, he has been in films such as
> Shallow Grave, Jude and Elizabeth. He is probably best known on TV
> for Cracker and Our Friends in the North and I saw him onstage as
> Hamlet last week, in which he was utterly superb.]
>
> Anyone persuaded...?
>
> Jules
>
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From ed4u at attbi.com  Wed Nov 13 12:49:28 2002
From: ed4u at attbi.com (Katy Melo)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:49:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Sirius
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Corgi you know i still love your pick I am just curious if he has it!!  Iam
hoping to watch babylon 5 what day again? So I can see if he can "fit the
part"  Now has anyone heard what type of dog they have chosen ?

Katy
Dying to see COS

----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Sirius


> Ok I couldnt get the link to come in ? I am really wondering who will be
> enough to "fit the part" He is such a strong character to play!!
>
> Katy
> Dying to see the COS!!!!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daisy" <j.balfour at lmu.ac.uk>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:34 AM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Sirius
>
>
> > I've said this before, and I'll say it again (!) but the only man I
> > will be happy to see play Sirius Black is the brrrrrilliant
> > Christopher Ecclestone.  He is a *superb* character actor, as well as
> > looking the part...well, in my mind anyway!
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/5978/Strumpet2.html
> >
> > [For those of you who don't know him, he has been in films such as
> > Shallow Grave, Jude and Elizabeth. He is probably best known on TV
> > for Cracker and Our Friends in the North and I saw him onstage as
> > Hamlet last week, in which he was utterly superb.]
> >
> > Anyone persuaded...?
> >
> > Jules
> >
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From j.balfour at lmu.ac.uk  Wed Nov 13 12:42:09 2002
From: j.balfour at lmu.ac.uk (Balfour, Julie           [HES])
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:42:09 -0000
Subject: Casting Sirius
Message-ID: <A2E8314904B3D311BB72009027718F4205C69935@LIS-EXCHANGE2>

	Katy wrote:

> Ok I couldnt get the link to come in ? I am really wondering who will be
> enough to "fit the part" He is such a strong character to play!!
> 
> 
	Sorry, don't know what's happened to that one - try this:

	http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/faces/christopher_eccleston.shtml

	Jules




From Malady579 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 13 13:05:15 2002
From: Malady579 at hotmail.com (Melody)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:05:15 -0000
Subject: hospital skills
In-Reply-To: <aqsn66+921f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqtimb+gh0n@eGroups.com>

I don't think this is quite a a spoiler, but it could be.
> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E
> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E
GulPlum wrote:
> arm, etc. Cut to the hospital wing. Draco is lying in the bed
>nearest to the door, surrounded by a couple of Slyths (Harry is in
>the furthest, with Ron and Hermione - and I think Colin). Draco is
> moaning in pretend agony. Pomfrey walks past and tells him to shut
>up and get out (i.e. there's nothing wrong with him) on her way to
> Harry's bedside with the Skele-Grow.


My rather nit-pick question now.

How is it that Madam Pomprey can turn people back from being petrified
in a few minutes and can regrow the bones in an arm overnight, but
can't heal the cuts and scraps in PS/SS?  Our poor hero still had a
bandage on his hand in the end.  I would think simple things like cuts
and bruises would be healed instantaneously.

I find that inconsistent in the movies.


Melody





From ed4u at attbi.com  Wed Nov 13 13:23:51 2002
From: ed4u at attbi.com (Katy Melo)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:23:51 -0500
Subject: Sorry
References: <aqtimb+gh0n@eGroups.com>
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First I wanted to quickly appoligize for not editing my emails I thought I
had turned off the dang reply all thingy on my emails!! Doing it now Please
dont send me another howler I am begging you :-)

Secondly, with all the critics giving their fews on the movie has anyone
heard the estimated about of $$ to come in here in the states? I heard the
UK broke records right?

Katy
going over to the tree to be beaten for stupidity!!!!!




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Wed Nov 13 13:27:38 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 13:27:38 -0000
Subject: Hand-flapping?
Message-ID: <aqtk0a+7p3n@eGroups.com>

I read back over the previous threads, but I couldn't find the 
original one that mentions that Daniel Radcliffe flaps his hands 
when excited.  Is there a moment in the movie when that happens?  
Someone said he does that in real life too.  I find that very 
interesting, because I have autistic kids, and it's a standard 
symptom of autism-spectrum disorders.  I was struck by Daniel saying 
that he'd like to study autism, and making the cd-rom for autistic 
people to help them learn to read facial expressions.  It's an 
unusual interest for someone so young. I wondered if he knew someone 
with autism, but now I suspect he may have a touch of Asperger's 
Syndrome himself (it's almost like a very mild form of autism).  It 
wouldn't be surprising - it seems a lot of people who go into show 
business have a bit of this, and acting seems to provide a place 
where their strengths can work, and their disabilities aren't so 
important.  Anyway, if anyone can tell me where some hand-flapping 
occurs in the movie, I'd love to know, and will watch for it.  For 
me, it's just another reason to like Daniel, who seems like a very 
sweet boy. 




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Nov 13 16:32:34 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:32:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hand-flapping?
Message-ID: <25806766.1037205154522.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

Wanda wrote:

> I read back over the previous threads, but I couldn't find the 
> original one that mentions that Daniel Radcliffe flaps his hands 
> when excited.  Is there a moment in the movie when that happens?  
> Someone said he does that in real life too.  I find that very 
> interesting, because I have autistic kids, and it's a standard 
> symptom of autism-spectrum disorders.  

I haven't seen the new movie, and can't really place it in the first movie, but 
I am the one who mentioned that he does it in real life.  It's particularly 
noticeable on TRL.  Of course, he was rather nervous there, which may have had 
something to do with it.  I'm not sure what's considered hand flapping and 
what's considered simply talking with your hands.  On TRL he had a microphone 
in one hand, and the other hand was moving constantly in a sideways manner.  
Does that make any sense?  Sort of up near shoulder level.  I did notice on 
Oprah he kept his hands in front of him almost the entire time.  Like perhaps 
he had seen TRL and noticed his hand movement or someone had pointed it out. It 
was rather distracting.

> I was struck by Daniel saying 
> that he'd like to study autism, and making the cd-rom for autistic 
> people to help them learn to read facial expressions.  It's an 
> unusual interest for someone so young. I wondered if he knew someone 
> with autism, but now I suspect he may have a touch of Asperger's 
> Syndrome himself (it's almost like a very mild form of autism).  

I did find it extremely unusual for a 12-13 year old to have an interest in 
autism.  Unusual in a good way, of course.  He's got to know someone with it, 
or as you say, have experience with something similar.  Of course, I've no way 
to know whether Daniel could in fact have a mild form of Asperger's Syndrome, 
but it is possible.  I believe people with Asperger's Syndrome sometimes 
struggle with social interaction as well.  I must say that would fit, Daniel 
was described (particularly pre Harry) as being "painfully shy."  And many 
people who had worked with him noted how making Harry Potter had brought him 
out of his shell.

Richelle
  ----------

I read back over the previous threads, but I couldn't find the 
original one that mentions that Daniel Radcliffe flaps his hands 
when excited.  Is there a moment in the movie when that happens?  
Someone said he does that in real life too.  I find that very 
interesting, because I have autistic kids, and it's a standard 
symptom of autism-spectrum disorders.  I was struck by Daniel saying 
that he'd like to study autism, and making the cd-rom for autistic 
people to help them learn to read facial expressions.  It's an 
unusual interest for someone so young. I wondered if he knew someone 
with autism, but now I suspect he may have a touch of Asperger's 
Syndrome himself (it's almost like a very mild form of autism).  It 
wouldn't be surprising - it seems a lot of people who go into show 
business have a bit of this, and acting seems to provide a place 
where their strengths can work, and their disabilities aren't so 
important.  Anyway, if anyone can tell me where some hand-flapping 
occurs in the movie, I'd love to know, and will watch for it.  For 
me, it's just another reason to like Daniel, who seems like a very 
sweet boy. 


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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 16:54:44 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:54:44 -0000
Subject: hospital skills
In-Reply-To: <aqtimb+gh0n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqu04k+dom9@eGroups.com>

Melody wrote:

<no spoilers>

> My rather nit-pick question now.
> 
> How is it that Madam Pomprey can turn people back from being
> petrified in a few minutes and can regrow the bones in an arm 
> overnight, but can't heal the cuts and scraps in PS/SS?  Our poor 
> hero still had a bandage on his hand in the end.  I would think 
> simple things like cuts and bruises would be healed instantaneously.
> 
> I find that inconsistent in the movies.

Quite true. Although de-petrification and regrowing bones wasn't 
quite *that* quick.

The fact that Harry was bruised and had a bandaged arm at the end of 
PS/SS worried me as well, even though at that stage I'd not even read 
the book. If Hermione could fix Harry's specs on the train even 
before she'd had any magical education, how could the school medical 
staff (there was no mention of Madam Pomfrey at that stage) not fix a 
couple of bruises?







From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 17:48:50 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:48:50 -0000
Subject: Newsround
Message-ID: <aqu3a2+90rn@eGroups.com>

I don't know if it's on their site yet, but I've just watched 
Newsround on TV. 

They featured a short interview with Chris Columbus, during which he 
let slip that 18 minutes of scenes which were filmed but cut from the 
cinema movie will be included on the DVD.

S
M
A
L
L


S
P
O
I
L
E
R


He specifically mentioned the Borgin scene, which makes me happy. :-) 
He said that the scene was cut from the cinema film because (and I 
agree with him) it was more powerful for Lucius and Draco to be 
introduced in the context of the Weasleys rather than Dark Magic.

He also confirmed that the Deathday party was never filmed, and never 
in the script.






From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed Nov 13 17:49:27 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:49:27 -0000
Subject: Cos DVD news
Message-ID: <aqu3b7+a6bd@eGroups.com>

Newsround have just shown an interview with Chris Columbus in which 
he says that there will be an extra 18 minutes worth of deleted 
scenes in the DVD. Just thought you'd like to know.

SP
OI
LE
R
SP
AC
E

One of the deleted scenes will be in Knockturn Alley, but the rest 
will mainly be little snippets.

Newsround CoS section was great today, so check it out on the BBC 
website.

Ali

Who hopes she got the news correct as she was coping with her own 
personal dementor at the time - in the form of a tantruming 2 year 
old. Chocolate is not a cure.




From ange_gibson2002 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov 13 18:05:08 2002
From: ange_gibson2002 at yahoo.co.uk (ange_gibson2002)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:05:08 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe mediocre?
Message-ID: <aqu48k+k22m@eGroups.com>

>SP
>OI
>LE
>R
>SP
>AC
>E

Not sure if the spoiler space was necessary but thought I should do 
it in case..

Skywings wrote: (about PS/SS)

"I also thought Daniel's performance was a bit bland at first BUT 
really, it's not.  I realised that the character Harry is, well, not 
bland, but quiet and unsure in this new world, and Daniel captured 
that perfectly."

I couldn't agree more.  I think Daniel has got the *character* 
pretty much spot on.  I've also read a newspaper critic's review 
which stated Daniel is the weak link of CoS.  I wonder if this 
critic has ever read the books - if he hasn't maybe he is trying to 
mould Harry (and therefore Daniel) into his own idea of how a hero 
should behave.  IMO, Daniel's performance stays faithful to the book.

Ali wrote:

"I personally really warmed to Dan this time and I did have some 
concerns about him in PS/SS.  I really enjoyed his performance and 
will be gutted if someone else takes over as Harry after PoA."

I feel much the same way as Daniel really grew on me this time.  
I've no idea what will happen to the casting if they make any more 
films after PoA.  GoF is so long I'm not sure how they would go 
about filming it.  Book 5 isn't even published yet so I guess the 3 
young stars probably will outgrow the parts in the years ahead which 
is a shame.

By the way I thought Lucius Malfoy (sorry, the actor's name escapes 
me) was excellent - pure evil.

Angie

(who is not only new to this group but also to the whole 
internet/email world and wishes she'd had the foresight to come up 
with a more imaginative name & address :)




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 19:04:11 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:04:11 -0000
Subject: Child actors/hand flapping
In-Reply-To: <aqt87c+te0f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqu7nb+fio3@eGroups.com>

Spoiler-free for a change.

skyw1ngs wrote:

> Anyway, after PS/SS I also read a review about the kids' acting. It 
> said something to the effect of "Well, y'know they're just kids and 
> they have lots of time to improve with the later movies..." 
> Personally, I thought that even in PS/SS they were all great. Sure, 
> there are a few moments I thought needed more attention, but 
> considering the fact that they are that young with not a lot of 
> experience and doing such a great job already, wow!

That's the thing about child actors in their first major roles: 
expecations of thespian ability are low (and kids are normally cast 
for their looks anyway), so other things are usually highlighted in 
their performances. 

Take the example of one of my favourite movies ever, "Stand By Me", 
which relies on four 12-14 year old actors giving believable 
performances. Whether or not those kids were more talented than the 
Trio, I don't know, but director Rob Reiner had a very different 
approach to Columbus's, which had a visible difference. Before 
shooting started, he took the boys on a camping trip for 3 weeks (for 
those who don't know that movie, the action takes place over a 
weekend camping trip), during which time they discussed their 
characters, played out scenes, did improvisation games, just got to 
know each other (the characters were best friends and had grown up 
together), etc. 

Most of the film consists of unbroken 3-4 minute and sometimes longer 
tracking shots (SBM required less frenetic editing than that for the 
HP movies). From what I've heard about the making of PS/SS and CoS, 
getting the kids to stay in character for more than a few seconds of 
screen time was a huge problem. Certainly Columbus's self-confessed 
permanent egging on of the actors to get them to do what was needed 
was completely absent from SBM (and would have been impractical), 
except for a sequence when Reiner deliberately engineered a row with 
and put the fear of God into Will Wheaton and Jerry O'Connell when 
they were meant to be terrified (whatever they did, it worked - Jerry 
O'Connell later admitted that he was so scared he actually wet 
himself). :-)

All of that digression really serves to indicate that with child 
actors, a director's approach and the amount of preparation makes a 
HUGE difference.

Back to the subject, though. I wouldn't go as far as to call 
Daniel "mediocre", nor would I call him the "weak link" in CoS - that 
regrettable honour goes, as I've said before, to Rupert. See previous 
posts for elaboration. However, Daniel (and especially Columbus) rely 
far too much on his (admittedly very expressive) eyes and smile. The 
problem arises whenever Daniel has to *say* anything.

As for the "hand flapping", I don't really see that problem in either 
movie. In fact, IMO the opposite is the case. Columbus's preferred 
medium shots are chest-upwards, but on those occasions when he has 
reason for full body shots, Daniel generally stands there with his 
hands stock rigid at his sides.

Daniel (and Columbus) should take a leaf out of Jason Isaacs' book - 
being the consummate screen actor he is, I don't find it in the 
slightest bit surprising that he asked the costume dept. to give him 
a stick - it gives him something constructive to do with his hands. 

Several years ago, I saw a screen acting masterclass conducted by 
Michael Caine. He explained that this is why in all his early parts, 
he insisted on smoking whenever he didn't have anything else to do 
with his hands. It had nothing to do with being addicted, but a lot 
to do with not having to worry about what his hands were doing.

> Firstly, I was swept away by Emma's performance. She isn't like 
> Hermione, so totally embodying the character is an impressive feat. 

Actually, from what I've heard from a friend of mine who knows the 
Watson family, Emma is very much a prim little Miss Bossyboots. :-) 
She's not academically gifted (in her interviews, she focuses on 
problems with Hermione's long words), but character-wise, they are 
very close. 






From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Nov 13 19:04:48 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:04:48 -0000
Subject: Question of patience
References: <apn5v7+oi52@eGroups.com> <3DBF24FC.1D05FC65@ka.reg.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <00ad01c28b47$89f3f280$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

Can someone tell me why everyone Still persists in asking the trio if they
have a boyfriend or girlfriend, especially considering Rupert Grint's
comments (that he would rather be killed off first).  People seem genuinely
surprised that young 12/13 year old teenagers do not want to answer such
personal questions, and spill the beans on any relationships they might
have.  Would you?

I am surprised Emma, Rupert and Dan, have all remained calm, civil and in
good humour when verbally prodded by a stream of adults ranging from the
*intelligent and informed reader of the books* to the inane air heads simply
out for a sound bite.

Felicia







From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 19:12:27 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:12:27 -0000
Subject: Actors (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <aqu86r+lu0i@eGroups.com>

Further to all this talk of how good or otherwise the actors are, 
I've finally done something I've been meaning to do for a long, long 
time.

As everyone knows, Dan had a small part in "The Tailor of Panama" 
before getting the HP gig, and John Boorman (TTOP director, who is 
one of the few film directors whose every film I admire) had some 
relevant things to say on his commentary on the DVD.

See here: http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/top.htm

Oh, and for a bit of fun, I've made an MP3 of a terrific interview 
Jason Isaacs did with Jonathan Ross for his BBC film review show. 
Listen out for the (film) clip of Lucius's first appearance in CoS 
cut into the middle of the interview. It's quite jarring comparing 
Jason's natural voice to Lucius's...

See here: http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/isaacscamp.mp3






From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Nov 13 19:21:45 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:21:45 -0000
Subject: CoS Movie - SPOILERS (review)
Message-ID: <aqu8o9+3c2k@eGroups.com>

You can also read the review (nicely formatted) here: 
http://www.fictionalley.org/fictionalleypark/forums/showthread.php?
&postid=389228#post389228 and here on TLC (where I am an editor): 
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/HP2ReviewHeidi.html

SP
OI
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SP
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S
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That's three hours of my life I want back again...so I can see the 
whole movie all over.

Well, maybe not the last three minutes of it. I don't know what 
Steve Kloves and Chris Columbus were thinking about at the ending of 
Chamber of Secrets. Admittedly, it's always going to be a finale 
with less impact than Philospher's Stone, where Harry is going back 
to the Dursleys' for the first time since starting school, or 
Prisoner of Azkaban, where he has the prospect of a correspondence 
with Sirius to look forward to, or the mixture of sadness and 
expectation at the end of Goblet of Fire, but still.

The Hargid love was a little much. 

But back to the begining, and the 147 wonderful minutes in Chamber 
of Secrets. Yes, I know the running time is one hundred and sixty 
one minutes long, but you can't give awards for the trailer itself 
(although it did give those who stayed the interesting bit of 
information that the guy who played Mr Borgin was in the credits.) 

So, when do we get to see that scene?

There was also an unfortunately lame minute in which Harry was dying 
from the basilisk venom. That minute clocked on my watch as pushing 
110 seconds, though. In other words, Harry should've been dead 
before Fawkes showed up, unless of course Tom was lying about how 
much time he had left, which is entirely possible.

Now, about Tom. Well, the two Toms. Riddle and Felton. 

Tom Riddle (Christian Coulson) was sublime. While I don't want to 
mix canon (even movie canon) and fanon [loosely, extended 
characterization made by fans, sometimes reaching beyond the scope 
of what is discernible in canon], this is the Tom that I see in 
Viola's Dreamwalk Blue - someone who, at sixteen, made the choice to 
be ruthless and stop at nothing to get exactly what he wanted. He's 
a clever schemer, diabolical, and note-perfect, even in the absence 
of clever dialogue. A few small fragments of his performance in the 
Chamber scene don't actually make much sense, but that's more a 
glitch in direction than anything within his purview. Can someone 
please give this guy the career trajectory of Ewan MacGregor, and 
soon? He deserves it. 

The other Tom, Tom Felton, turned in a performance that was 
exponentially better than his work in Philosopher's Stone. This is 
the neurotic and immature child from Anna and the King - not the 
fake put-on job he did in Philospher's Stone (especially the troll 
scene). Not a hair or thread out of place - all the interesting 
elements were in the subtext. Now, I know I'm a notorious Draco-
redemption-theorist (I've read my Pride and Prejudice; I can see him 
with Hermione in a number of years, especially given his clear 
obsession with her that Lucius mentioned in the bookstore scene) but 
I saw it with someone who isn't, and she saw, in his interaction 
with Lucius (more on him later), with Snape, and with Hermione, a 
friendless, messed up little kid who doesn't quite grasp the real 
world with both hands. And given the way Lucius treats him (and the 
rest of the world) who can blame him for needing therapy? Lots and 
lots of therapy.

Mostly because it's all about Lucius. As others have said, it's a 
wonder that he wasn't in any scenes with the brilliant Kenneth 
Branagh, because the film would have melted. It's difficult to be 
evil without being over the top - Christian Coulson pulls it off 
because he's not supposed to seem evil right off the bat. He's 
supposed to throw you off guard when Riddle's real identity is 
clear. Lucius Malfoy is evil on - er with a stick, and his malice 
towards everyone, from his son on down, is delicious. His scenes are 
perfectly paced, which is something I didn't feel in many other 
scenes, especially in the first hour, where there were jumps from 
one context to another. It's no problem for book-canon devotees, but 
those who haven't read the books might fumble a few times. 

A bit of exposition on things like Percy's relationship with 
Penelope (which deserved a bit more screen time, and would've given 
Ginny some actual dialogue in the middle two hours of the film), the 
fact that Hermione had a brainstorm that sent her to the library, 
and perhaps even Ron's knowledge of who Riddle was (because, 
honestly, why else does Harry ask him about the Chamber?) would've 
been a good use of a few moments of screentime.

I don't want to sound like any deviation from canon is tantemount to 
blasphemy - certainly putting the Chamber exposition into Prof. 
McGonagalla's scene was fine, as was the decision to have the cake 
drop on Mrs Mason instead of Harry (but it would've been loffly the 
other way too). But there were little nuances that I missed, and the 
changes in Harry's confrontation with Lucius were possibly canon 
problematic (not the bit with the sock, but the hint that Lucius was 
about to use Avada Kedavra on him, and Lucius' not taking the 
diary). And it would've been much sweeter if Hermione had hugged 
Ron, like she did in Prisoner of Azkaban, and he had turned red and 
stammery. 

I know I've glossed over things like the vast improvement in the 
performances by the trio, the small but substantive performance from 
Edward Randell (Justin) and the wonders of the Quidditch match; they 
all made a terrific impact, and contributed to making this 
experience much more plesant than my first viewing of Philospher's 
Stone last year. 

In fact, the minute Philosopher's Stone ended, as a theaterfull of 
people could attest, I started kicking the chair in front of me as 
soon as the person sitting there stood up, because I was so 
frustrated by, among other things, some of the wasted time in the 
film (the bit with Harry and Hedwig in the snow is a particular 
frustration).

Not this time. 

And it's only two days and one hour before I can see it again.


heidi
http://www.hp2003.org




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 13 19:32:43 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:32:43 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Child actors/hand flapping
In-Reply-To: <aqu7nb+fio3@eGroups.com>
References: <aqu7nb+fio3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <55211549696.20021113113243@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 11:04:11 AM, plumeski at yahoo.com wrote:


> Back to the subject, though. I wouldn't go as far as to call 
> Daniel "mediocre", nor would I call him the "weak link" in CoS - that 
> regrettable honour goes, as I've said before, to Rupert. 

Looking at all the different opinions here, this seems to be
very much a matter of personal opinion <g>.

I haven't seen the second movie, yet, and have heard very
mixed reviews concerning the acting, but having watched the
first, I thought all three were doing pretty well, with
Rupert being the most convincing and natural of the three.

Unfortunately, it seems the director/script writer have now
decided to use him mostly as comedy relief.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Wed Nov 13 15:37:58 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:37:58 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: interesting thought.....
Message-ID: <15110FE0C6C@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

Well, no, not really interesting.  Just something to occupy 
my mind in the next VERY SLOW GOING 32 1/2 hours before I 
see Harry....

Chris Columbus's daughter plays Susan Bones.  Given, it's 
not an important role but still.  Anyway, does this mean 
she won't get to be in PoA?  I would be really upset if I 
was her.

"Gee, thanks, Dad, for wanting to spend more time with us 
but you just blew my being in the movie of the best book in 
the series and sit in a room with Ewan McGregor as 
Professor Lupin!"

(please note I said if "I" was her...PoA is my fave and I'm 
still holding out for Ewan as Lupin)

*reads over this post and realizes it's truly pointless and 
silly and thinks that maybe she should just go home and 
hide under her covers until tomorrow*

I'm truly going nuts.  I need to go home and do a marathon 
reading of Chamber.

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an 
oncoming dragon.



From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 20:48:13 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:48:13 -0000
Subject: interesting thought.....
In-Reply-To: <15110FE0C6C@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <aqudqd+77t5@eGroups.com>

Rachel Bray wrote:

> Chris Columbus's daughter plays Susan Bones.  Given, it's 
> not an important role but still.  Anyway, does this mean 
> she won't get to be in PoA?  I would be really upset if I 
> was her.

I don't see why that necessarily follows. Columbus and his family 
will continue to live in England (rather than move back to the 
States, which I took to be the original meaning behind his intention 
to give up on directing PoA), so his daughter should still be able to 
follow him around.

> (please note I said if "I" was her...PoA is my fave and I'm 
> still holding out for Ewan as Lupin)

It's my fave too, and I see about a 0.001% chance of Ewan being cast 
for the part. If I were in your shoes, I'd start getting used to the 
idea that he's not going to be it. 

> I'm truly going nuts.  I need to go home and do a marathon 
> reading of Chamber.

Unless you already remember the text and plot details very exactly, I 
would advise against it. I enjoyed the movie far more than I would 
have had I read the book close to seeing it (I've re-read the book 
since seeing the movie and the departures from canon are really 
beginning to irritate me).







From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Nov 13 21:05:37 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:05:37 -0000
Subject: Interesting thought.....
References: <15110FE0C6C@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <010401c28b58$86d3b700$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

Stick to reading PoA again.  I read CoS myself just before I went and it
simply emphasised what they had done differently in the film (to the book).

Better still re-read GoF as you are a quick reader you can do the whole
thing non-stop in less than the time to the film!  Cos a super film I really
liked in and enjoyed it hugely, in spite of sundry complaints and comments.
I hope you and everyone looking forward to the film has a great time this
week-end!

Felicia


> Well, no, not really interesting.  Just something to occupy
> my mind in the next VERY SLOW GOING 32 1/2 hours before I
> see Harry....

Large snip to molify mods and *others*

> I'm truly going nuts.  I need to go home and do a marathon
> reading of Chamber.






From editor at texas.net  Wed Nov 13 21:37:00 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:37:00 -0000
Subject: CoS Movie - SPOILERS (review)
In-Reply-To: <aqu8o9+3c2k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aquglt+bbip@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:

a lengthy essay-style movie review, much like John Walton did on his 
LJ. Yes, yes, certain details were bad and some were good and the 
ending sucked and I only have a couple days to go before I get to 
see it, but in the meantime I depend on you all for my fixes, and 
once again I have been let down. Heidi, I suppose, must be 
considered a teensy improvement over John because she actually 
mentioned Snape's name. Once. In reference to Draco. (rolls eyes) With 
that exception noted, let me restate what I posted to John:

*Not.*
*One.*
*(stronger expletive, because I just KNOW this is a conspiracy, 
deleted)*
*WORD.*
*About.*
*Snape.*

(eyes narrow, looking through computer at Heidi and John and any 
other Snape-less-review-writers) rrrrrrr.

~Amanda





From wynnde1 at aol.com  Wed Nov 13 22:22:53 2002
From: wynnde1 at aol.com (wynnde1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:22:53 EST
Subject: Snape in CoS (was CoS Movie - SPOILERS (review))
Message-ID: <19d.be790a4.2b042abd@aol.com>

This one is for Amanda, who wrote:

>*Not.*
>*One.*
>*(stronger expletive, because I just KNOW this is a conspiracy, 
>deleted)*
>*WORD.*
>*About.*
>*Snape.*

>(eyes narrow, looking through computer at Heidi and John and any 
>other Snape-less-review-writers) rrrrrrr

S
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S
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I can completely empathise with your desire to hear the Snapefacts about this 
film, so I'll fill you in. I did include some of these points in an earlier 
post, but hopefully no one will mind if I expand on them here. 

I can sum it up very quickly by saying NOT ENOUGH RICKMAN! <G> (Of course, is 
there such a thing as enough Rickman????). But, honestly, I expected this, as 
he doesn't really appear as much in this book.

The scene in which we first see Snape in the book is changed. I prayed that 
they wouldn't mess with it, but they did - It's Filch who "greets" Harry and 
Ron upon their arrival in the flying car. He then takes them to Snape, so we 
do get to hear Snape fuming at them about being the newspaper, etc. But it 
has nothing near the impact of Ron's "Maybe he got sacked - everyone hates 
him" followed by "Maybe he's waiting to hear why you two didn't arrive on the 
train" (very liberally quoted - I don't have the book handy, but I'm sure 
everyone here knows the scene by heart! <G>). This sort of thing is one of my 
main gripes - there were a number of places where I noticed that the dialogue 
had been changed, and not for the better. For me, when I remember the 
word-for-word dialogue of a scene, it means that it had special impact for me 
- in other words, it really WORKED. So why mess with that? You would think 
that someone who has read the books could have said, "Don't mess with that 
opening Snape scene. It's perfect the way it is."

The other thing I noticed about this scene, is that Rickman looked rather ill 
to me - sort of puffy or something. I hope he's not really ill. He looked 
fine (read Dead Sexy <g>) in the rest of the movie, though.

He also features in the Duelling Club scene, of course. I thought this scene 
was well done, although changed from in the book. I got a kick out of the 
little bows and hand manoeuvers and such that everyone does before dueling - 
it's very precise and I found it a bit comical, but my husband seemed to 
think that's just the way people start other sorts of duels, so he didn't 
find it strange. Snape does a fine job of blasting Lockhart with his 
Expelliarmus, although I don't recall there being as much of Lockhart's 
banter and Snapes expressions in the film as we get in the book. A few other 
changes - The whole group does not get paired off to duel. Lockhart asks 
Harry and Ron to do a demonstration, and Snape suggests that Harry duel with 
Draco, as Ron's wand is rather deadly (too true). And I didn't notice Snape 
whisper anything to Draco, so we must assume that film!Draco already knew the 
spell for conjuring a snake. (One of the things I thought was cool in CoS is 
that we hear and see a lot of spells in this film, some from canon and some 
not. One of these days I want to pay more attention and write down all the 
words for them). As others have mentioned, Snape does not immediately act to 
handle the snake, but I didn't find this disturbing. It seemed to fit with 
the other changes they made to the scene. Here again, the scene isn't as well 
done in the film as it's written in the books, IMO. But, oh well. 

I think the only other significant Snape we get is the scene after Ginny has 
been taken into the Chamber. The teachers have their chat (and 
"confrontation" with Lockhart) in a hallway instead of in the staff room, and 
it is much shortened. (no squeals or tears from Flitwick. I actually felt 
really sorry for Warwick Davis - I don't think he has a single line in the 
entire film). 

I've just remembered another Snape moment from the books which I think is 
missing -after Mrs. Norris is discovered petrified, and Lockhart goes on 
about making the potion and Snape says that he is "still the potions master 
here." I don't think that line is in the film - does anyone else remember for 
certain? I honestly can't remember what they did with that scene.

Anyhow, on the whole I found Rickman's performance as Snape to be excellent - 
(as I did in PS). There is less of him here, but that is the case with most 
of the staff members. And I enjoyed seeing the same actors playing those 
characters in the background (Snape, Flitwick, MacGonagall, etc) - it gave a 
sense of continuity, even when they didn't have big speaking parts. 

And just remember, we'll get TONS of FANTASTIC Snape scenes in Prisoner. 
There's lots of stuff in that book that they simply can't cut him out of! (Oh 
please, please, please let them leave in the scene when the Marauder's Map 
insults him. PLEASE). I wonder what you have to do to become a script 
consultant on that film, I would LOVE to put in my two pence about how to 
dramatise that book for the screen! 

I hope this answers some of your questions about Snape in this film - if 
there's anything else specific you want to know, just ask.

Cheers!
Wendy


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 22:36:14 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:36:14 -0000
Subject: Snape (MINOR SPOILERS )
In-Reply-To: <aquglt+bbip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aquk4u+g3u7@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

<a complaint about Snape-less reviews>

Considering he appears in the movie in no more than half a dozen 
scenes (off the top of my head), and in each one he's absolutely NOT 
the focus of attention, is that any surprise?

His big centrepieces in the book, catching the boys coming into 
Hogwarts at the beginning, and the Potions class, are gone.

His remaining big moments are limited to reading the paper to the 
boys, at the duelling club and at the discovery of Mrs Norris, 
although there are a few further glimpses of him here and there.

The only one of those scenes worthy of note is the duelling club, in 
which (by design) he plays second fiddle to Lockhart; as this is 
Brannagh's big scene, of course all the comment is about him. 

McGonagall gets considerably more screen time, and she's hardly ever 
mentioned in the reviews (and then usually only because she takes 
over from Binns as the source of information about the Chamber). 
Snape is no longer presented as the villain of the piece, so Lucius's 
big moments in that role take over any need to comment on Snape's 
involvement in that side of the plot. 

In other words, Snape is little more than a bit player in this movie 
and Alan Rickman doesn't get any set pieces to be OTT, so to be 
brutally honest, the part and its performance aren't worthy of 
comment. Of course, Rickman is good (we'd expect nothing less) and 
Snape is creepy (ditto), but neither has any standout moments. 

I'm sure that'll change by the time PoA comes out, though. :-)






From heidit at netbox.com  Wed Nov 13 23:22:30 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heiditandy)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:22:30 -0000
Subject: CoS Movie - SPOILERS (review)
In-Reply-To: <aquglt+bbip@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqumrm+akde@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda" <editor at t...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "heiditandy" <heidit at n...> wrote:
> 
> a lengthy essay-style movie review, much like John Walton did on 
his 
> LJ. Yes, yes, certain details were bad and some were good and the 
> ending sucked and I only have a couple days to go before I get to 
> see it, but in the meantime I depend on you all for my fixes, and 
> once again I have been let down. Heidi, I suppose, must be 
> considered a teensy improvement over John because she actually 
> mentioned Snape's name. Once. In reference to Draco. (rolls eyes) 
With 
> that exception noted, let me restate what I posted to John:
> 
> *Not.*
> *One.*
> *(stronger expletive, because I just KNOW this is a conspiracy, 
> deleted)*
> *WORD.*
> *About.*
> *Snape.*
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Not enough Snape, as I actually did say in my LJ when I got home 
from the film.

Two scenes - two bloody scenes where he has something to actually 
do - and in one of them... well... there's so much other stuff going 
on that he doesn't have enough chance to make an impact.

I look forward to PoA, and ideally an opportunity to play off 
Anthony Stewart Head as Lupin. 

Well, a girl can dream.

heidi




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 13 23:24:36 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:24:36 -0000
Subject: Music
In-Reply-To: <aqri2k+k6b3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqumvk+niia@eGroups.com>

The original post is a couple of days old, but my reply at the time 
didn't get through for some reason (though it's possible that my 
memory of having replied is completely imaginary). :-)

Felicia Rickmann wrote:

> Secondly, after just one viewing the music in CoS did not make as 
> huge an impression as in PS (but there is obviously enough to fill
> a cd).  

As a fan of movie music, all I can say is that I'm glad about that. 
Don't get me wrong, Williams is one of the best film composers 
working today, but I have several gripes about his music - most of it 
isn't exactly my style (I'm not really into full blown brassy 
orchestras and chamber music is more to my taste), and IMO over the 
last decade or so he's tended to plagiarise himself something rotten. 
Furthermore, one of the first comments I ever made about PS/SS was 
that the sound mixing was appalling, and the music mix was WAY too 
loud. As a result, it was impossible to watch PS/SS without the music 
making a big impact, and indeed a distracting imapct.

Thankfully, the mix for CoS is a lot more subtle, and even for non-
dialogue scenes like the Quidditch match the music is very audible 
but not excessive, fulfilling its role in the movie and not being an 
extended advert for the CD. The vast majority of the music is 
repeated from the first movie, except for a few new themes (notably 
for Lockhart, Fawkes and Dobby) and I really am in two minds about 
whether or not to buy the soundtrack. 

> Finally, a little enlightenment please on William Ross, arranger of 
> the John Williams music for CoS?  I am not a regular film-goer and
> am not familiar with his work elsewhere.  

To add to the IMDb link someone else posted, Ross is pretty well 
respected in film music circles, both in terms of the professionals 
and film music fans. He even crops up every now and again in online 
forums dedicated to the subject. As a clasically-trained multi-
instrumentalist and conductor, his main claim to fame is as an 
arranger and/or conductor of orchestral music written by non-
classically trained composers (his big break was working with Danny 
Elfman on some of his early films), although he really came to 
prominence as a composer of incidental TV music (notably, MacGuyver).


To be perfectly honest, I've not seen a single one of the movies for 
which he's composed (as opposed to arranged or conducted) music, 
although I have heard a few bits of music out of context. His 
orchestral style is very Williams-ish, which is doubtless why he was 
selected for the job. 

Overall, I suspect CoS would've sounded much the same even if 
Williams had done the arranging, although probably the mix would've 
sounded a lot louder. :-)







From editor at texas.net  Thu Nov 14 02:15:47 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:15:47 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hand-flapping?
References: <25806766.1037205154522.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: <00e001c28b83$bfcaa2a0$ad05a6d8@texas.net>

It's particularly
> noticeable on TRL.

Okay, I have had it. I missed the original reference, which was apparently
said once, in a whisper, in some virtual back-room, and I can no longer
stand it. What the hell is TRL? I don't have cable or a good modem
connection, so chances are good I wouldn't have seen whatever it is anyway,
but could someone please just tell me what the words are?

~Amanda





From autumn_sprite at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 02:48:33 2002
From: autumn_sprite at yahoo.com (Marianne)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:48:33 -0000
Subject: Hand-flapping?
In-Reply-To: <00e001c28b83$bfcaa2a0$ad05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <aqv2u1+h2nf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> What the hell is TRL? 

TRL is Total Request Live, shown on MTV.  Monday's episode
featured RG & EW.  This episode is a keeper if only for EW's 
reaction to the host questioning her about the hug and then 
seemingly cutting off her remarks.

Marianne




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 02:52:59 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:52:59 -0000
Subject: TRL
In-Reply-To: <00e001c28b83$bfcaa2a0$ad05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <aqv36b+6ig6@eGroups.com>

Amanda Geist wrote:

> Okay, I have had it. I missed the original reference, which was
> apparently said once, in a whisper, in some virtual back-room, and 
> I can no longer stand it. What the hell is TRL? I don't have cable 
> or a good modem connection, so chances are good I wouldn't have 
> seen whatever it is anyway,
> but could someone please just tell me what the words are?

I don't even live in the US but have been led to believe that it 
stands for Total Request Live. I have further been led to believe 
that it's transmitted on a little known, small channel known as MTV.
:-)

(From what I've heard of TRL, I, and I suppose most of the rest of us 
here, are absolutely not in its target audience anyway.)

While I'm, here, I'd like to voice a little gripe that whilst 
various "adult" US TV (chat) shows are getting all the HP stars to 
appear, not a SINGLE British TV show has managed to get *anyone* to 
appear this time around. And last time, it was only Robbie Coltrane 
on "Parkinson" (though he was, of course, brilliant). 

OK, the junior Weasley family actors were on kids' TV a couple of 
weeks ago, and Felton with his "henchmen" were on last Saturday, but 
otherwise, that's it.

Daniel in particular hasn't made a single appearance on British TV 
(neither this year or last) other than interviews recorded on the set 
ages and ages ago. Considering he lives a 10 minute drive from the 
main BBC studios, I feel somewhat aggrieved...






From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 14 03:22:01 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:22:01 -0000
Subject: Child actors/hand flapping
In-Reply-To: <aqu7nb+fio3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqv4sp+ub1d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
<snip!>
> Actually, from what I've heard from a friend of mine who knows the 
> Watson family, Emma is very much a prim little Miss Bossyboots. :-
) 
> She's not academically gifted (in her interviews, she focuses on 
> problems with Hermione's long words), but character-wise, they are 
> very close.


You know what? After I posted that I remembered I was talking to my 
brother about how alike the kids are to their characters. My bad. I 
guess it secures decent enough acting by casting actors who are a 
lot like their characters.

skywings.
who still favors Rupert :)




From holymotherofgod at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 14 03:24:25 2002
From: holymotherofgod at hotmail.com (skyw1ngs)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 03:24:25 -0000
Subject: Child actors/hand flapping
In-Reply-To: <aqu7nb+fio3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aqv519+lnnj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
<snip!>
> Actually, from what I've heard from a friend of mine who knows the 
> Watson family, Emma is very much a prim little Miss Bossyboots. :-
) 
> She's not academically gifted (in her interviews, she focuses on 
> problems with Hermione's long words), but character-wise, they are 
> very close.


You know what? After I posted that I remembered I was talking to my 
brother about how alike the kids are to their characters. My bad. I 
guess it secures decent enough acting by casting actors who are a 
lot like their characters.

skywings.
who still favors Rupert :)




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu Nov 14 04:08:56 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:08:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Questions, questions (still more!) (loads of spoilers!)
References: <aqsn66+921f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <018d01c28b93$8def0360$b8a0cdd1@istu757>

Okay, replying here to GulPlum's wonderful reply to my numerous questions.
Now tacking on a couple more. :)
> >
> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E
> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E
> >

> You think correctly. :-) This has given rise to one of the many nit-
> picks of the movie (as a movie, not just as an adaptation). Harry
> manages to stumble around, check Ginny's still alive, "kill" the
> diary, wait for Ginny to wake up and explain herself, and urge her to
> clear out even before Fawkes lands.

Okay, let me get this straight (is it May yet?  Is the DVD out yet?) :)
Harry is on the statue of Slytherin.  Almost drops the sword, grabs it,
stabs it up into the basilisk.  Fang goes into Harry's arm.  Then what?
Immediately pulls the fang out?  Makes his way all the way down to where
Ginny is?  What does Ginny say?  What does Ginny do?  (Are you sure it's not
May yet?)

> I'm going to be REALLY anal here:
> Assuming the fang going into Harry's arm as time index 0, Riddle
> finishes saying "you have little more than a minute to live" at 60
> seconds, and Fawkes' first tear lands in the wound at 3 mins 19
> seconds.  Draw your own conclusions.

Sounds like one of those scenes where the bomb has thirty seconds left and
five minutes later it still has three seconds left. :)

> furthest, with Ron and Hermione - and I think Colin). Draco is
> moaning in pretend agony. Pomfrey walks past and tells him to shut up
> and get out (i.e. there's nothing wrong with him) on her way to
> Harry's bedside with the Skele-Grow.

I love it.  I absolutely love it.  MORE, I want MORE!!!! (hyperventalates
while begging for spoilers) :)

Thanks!

Richelle




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 14 10:38:06 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1904 20:02:40 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hand-flapping?
Message-ID: <v01540b00000e38e17588@[213.254.186.177]>

Wanda said:-

>I read back over the previous threads, but I couldn't find the
>original one that mentions that Daniel Radcliffe flaps his hands
>when excited.
(snip)

It was me, and I apologise; my terminology was perhaps a little awry. He
doesn't flap his hands when excited, he makes short, chopping motions when
he is explaining something. Example from PS/SS; near the end, when the trio
rushes into McGonagall's Classroom to ask to see Prof. Dumbledore, and she
tells them that he has been summoned to London and sends them to their
dormitories. They come out of the classroom and stand in the cloisters
while Harry says something like ' That was no stranger Hagrid met, it was
Snape, which means he knows how to get past Fluffy'. As he is saying it, he
makes those short, downward, chopping motions which are fairly typical of a
not-very-professional actor. He does it several times in the film, which is
why I said that Columbus should have stopped him doing it. But I appreciate
the point that inexperienced actors really don't know what to do with their
hands. Experienced directors should give them something to do with them.

So I don't think it's anything to do with autism; just lack of experience.

Regards,
Nicholas





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 14 14:53:20 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1904 00:15:52 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Actors (no spoilers)
Message-ID: <v01540b00000e683dd2b7@[217.154.78.142]>

Richard said:-

>As everyone knows, Dan had a small part in "The Tailor of Panama"
>before getting the HP gig, and John Boorman (TTOP director, who is
>one of the few film directors whose every film I admire) had some
>relevant things to say on his commentary on the DVD.
>
>See here: http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/top.htm

Thanks for this. I have seen Tailor of P but not on DVD. I may rent it for
the interview alone.

One of the enduring legends of the casting of DR is that Maggie Smith,
having worked with him on 'David Copperfield', was instrumental in getting
him considered for the role of HP. To have endorsement from two authorities
like Boorman and Smith ought to quell the snide comments about DR's
performance. I stand by what I said before, DR has it in him; but he does
need a good director to help him develop what he has.

Regards,
Nicholas





From sam at ewandust.net  Thu Nov 14 15:20:22 2002
From: sam at ewandust.net (sam)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:20:22 -0000
Subject: Christopher Lee?
Message-ID: <ar0evm+7n2k@eGroups.com>

Hi, gang.  I'm new here, but I just heard about the possible casting 
of Christopher Lee as Dumbledore in PoA, and I was wondering what 
everyone else thinks about it.

sam




From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 16:44:30 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:44:30 -0000
Subject: Rupert Grint's movie promotion appearence on Leno
Message-ID: <ar0jte+ma69@eGroups.com>

Slight spoiler?

spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler
spoiler

I was just wondering if anyone saw Rupert's appearence on Jay Leno 
last night. While it wasn't very long (or interesting) because Adam 
Sandler took forever and a day to stop talking, we got to see the 
scene with the Howler =)

I've still got yet another 28 hrs or so until I get to see the movie 
but from what I saw that scene rocked my socks. The effects in the 
movie look so much better than the first.


However, Jay Leno needs to learn how to interview. The entire 
interview discussed Rupert's love for food and then they ate Bertie 
Botts beans.

--Fyre Wood, who is sorta disappointed that she stayed up late to 
watch three people eat jelly beans.




From dairyspice at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 14 16:54:37 2002
From: dairyspice at hotmail.com (burgbarbl)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:54:37 -0000
Subject: DC Premiere
Message-ID: <ar0kgd+sgug@eGroups.com>

To any members in the DC area,

I won free tickets from a radio station for tonight's premiere. I 
have one extra ticket (I refuse to give it to one of my roommates on 
the basis that she isn't a big enough fan), and am willing to give it 
to someone in this group. The movie's at 7 at the Cineplex Odeon in 
Friendship Heights. Whoever emails me requesting it first at 
bdickson at aota.org can have the ticket. I will accept 
candy as a thank you. :)

                       -BarbL




From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 17:00:41 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:00:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rupert Grint's movie promotion appearence on Leno
In-Reply-To: <ar0jte+ma69@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021114170041.29886.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>

> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler
> spoiler

---FyreWood wrote: 
> I was just wondering if anyone saw Rupert's appearence on Jay Leno 
> last night. While it wasn't very long (or interesting) because Adam 
> Sandler took forever and a day to stop talking, we got to see the 
> scene with the Howler =)
> 
> I've still got yet another 28 hrs or so until I get to see the movie 
> but from what I saw that scene rocked my socks. The effects in the 
> movie look so much better than the first.

Personally, I was a little disappointed in the Howler scene.  It might
come across differently on the big screen, but I thought it fell a little
flat.  The voice wasn't *nearly* loud enough, and I think it would've been
a nice touch to keep it smoking around the edges.  Ron looked terrified,
but the Howler just didn't seem that bad.

I DID like how it ripped itself into pieces at the end, though. *g*



Andrea


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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Nov 14 18:18:17 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:18:17 -0000
Subject: Venom and Ire and a brief note about Snape
References: <aqu8o9+3c2k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c28c0a$34bf2960$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

Many here have expressed their dissatisfaction with CoS but I doubt they can
come close to the sheer spite of one critic in a British newspaper.  The
critic, it seems dozed off, because CoS is too long, as JKR is a control
freak who, the critic fondly imagines, really spent the entire film
breathing down Chris Columbus' neck.

Draco is (quotes) a *nasty smirking mini-Nazi *, * played . as a one-boy
Village of the Damned * ; Lucius is a shampoo advert in a corset, and Daniel
's voice is *funny * like Hugh Grant with one too many Adam's apples.
Maggie Smith? Cough and you'll miss her.  The film is exhaustingly
repetitive because setting a film in the Same place, with the Same cast, and
the Same villain, more than once is a Major Drawback. [cue: summary
execution for JKR and Columbus here].  Basically, the critic proposes, as
cinema is a *one-bite* medium HP is doomed, (doomed!) due to Chronic Sequel
Fatigue, the reasoning being only a year since the first film.  Oh yes, and
Lord of the Rings is doomed too, they should both be put out on TV if you
want your films in Episodes.

Well then, it seems I will have to go see CoS again, as I missed Jason
Isaacs' corset and would dearly love to see it, although I did find his cane
rather splendid... and I really did rather like the languid way Severus
Snape says Expelliarmus, like he has all the time in the world, facing as he
is, the most splendid fool in the Wizarding World, Lockhart.

Felicia
<with the merest, distant, glimpse in the direction of irony>






From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Thu Nov 14 18:36:51 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:36:51 -0000
Subject: (Dis)Appearances
In-Reply-To: <ar0evm+7n2k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar0qg3+vnik@eGroups.com>

I would like to add to the post commenting on the non-appearance of 
any of the major stars from Harry Potter on British television.  (I 
will not go into the number of tv appearances on US tv).

This film is one of the most anticipated of the season by us Potter 
fans still without the prospect(until very recently) of the next 
book.  Many have been looking forward to it for months and are now 
counting the hours and minutes until they take their seats in the 
cinema. Here in the U.K. the film is on the brink of it's official 
release and what have we had as a fanfare? Nothing. No-one.  

Now, I realise much of the press simply does not like the films that 
much but even so, wouldn't it have been lovely to have Alan Rickman 
interviewed, properly, on British tv *for real*? Or a chat with 
Kenneth Branagh, or even Chris Columbus, talking to an intelligent 
interviewer.  

I suppose I am asking too much.

Felicia




From itzregina at hanson.net  Thu Nov 14 19:15:45 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:15:45 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
Message-ID: <ar0sp1+2eld@eGroups.com>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51493-2002Nov13.html



"But there are some problems that not even the mighty Wizard of Oz or 
the mighty wizards of Warner Bros. can solve, and that's why "Harry 
Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" is big, dull and empty. Small kids 
who are entertained by aquariums, lava lamps, melting ice cream and 
other forms of random motion might enjoy it ? when they're not peeing 
in their pants because of the giant snake at the end ? but most human 
creatures who have evolved to sentience will be ground into numbness 
by its drear totalitarianism."  

I have heard that COS has a few problems, but he found nothing that 
he thought was redeeming.   

Gina   







From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 19:17:30 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:17:30 -0000
Subject: Dan / Tailor of Panama
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00000e683dd2b7@[217.154.78.142]>
Message-ID: <ar0ssa+cebu@eGroups.com>

TACtalk at a... wrote:

> >See here: http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/top.htm
> 
> Thanks for this. I have seen Tailor of P but not on DVD. I may rent
> it for the interview alone.

Apologies in advance for largely OT post.

Don't get over-excited. There is no interview. The snippets I 
recorded come from Boorman's audio commentary during the film 
(despite being a very articulate person, he umms, errs and ahhhs a 
heck of a lot during this one - unlike Excalibur, for instance). 

There is a fun featurette on Geoffrey Rush and Pierce Brosnan, 
though, which makes it clear how much they admire each others' 
talents despite coming from different backgrounds (Rush in theatre, 
Brosnan in TV) and how much they learned from each other. Boorman 
also makes several references to the pair in his commentary [a funny 
one revealing that Pierce Brosnan, who chain smokes throughout the 
film, is a non-smoker, and Rush is exactly the opposite - an addict 
playing a non-smoking character - after each take, a spluttering 
Brosnan would hand his fag to Rush. :-)]

> One of the enduring legends of the casting of DR is that Maggie
> Smith, having worked with him on 'David Copperfield', was 
> instrumental in getting him considered for the role of HP. To have 
> endorsement from two authorities like Boorman and Smith ought to 
> quell the snide comments about DR's performance. I stand by what I 
> said before, DR has it in him; but he does need a good director to 
> help him develop what he has.

I've never heard anything about any "endorsements" from Maggie Smith. 
I have heard Dan saying that having played with her before made work 
on PS/SS easier, though. 

As for the role of the director in shing kids' performances, I agree 
wholheartedly. Despite my reservations on other grounds, this is one 
reason I'd have liked Spielberg to have a crack at the HP whip: one 
thing everyone's agreed on is that he is *terrific* with child 
actors. Even the (now grown up) kid who played the five-year-old in 
Close Encounters admits that his performance in that film wasn't down 
to him, but Spielberg's ability.

I'm also very sorry that shortlisted Rob Reiner wasn't given the job 
instead of Columbus.







From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu Nov 14 19:42:18 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:42:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan / Tailor of Panama
Message-ID: <6592181.1037302938284.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

GulPlum wrote:

> Apologies in advance for largely OT post.

Yeah, me too.
 
> I've never heard anything about any "endorsements" from Maggie Smith. 
> I have heard Dan saying that having played with her before made work 
> on PS/SS easier, though. 

I'd never heard that either.  What I heard in relation to David Copperfield was 
that Chris Columbus had seen his picture on the video cover and the casting 
office had contacted Dan (or his parents, rather) and at the time he was 
involved in Tailer of Panama so they said he was unavailable.  And then of 
course the famous play in London where David Heyman spotted him.  As for Maggie 
Smith, I also heard Daniel say he enjoyed working her again and that it helped 
him having worked with her before.  Probably made him more comfortable if 
nothing else.  I mean, after all, she did give him a bath in David Copperfield, 
how much more comfortable can you get?  (sorry, I still laugh every time during 
that scene.  Not funny, I know.)

Richelle
  ----------

TACtalk at a... wrote:

> >See here: http://plum.cream.org/HP/misc/top.htm
> 
> Thanks for this. I have seen Tailor of P but not on DVD. I may rent
> it for the interview alone.

Apologies in advance for largely OT post.

Don't get over-excited. There is no interview. The snippets I 
recorded come from Boorman's audio commentary during the film 
(despite being a very articulate person, he umms, errs and ahhhs a 
heck of a lot during this one - unlike Excalibur, for instance). 

There is a fun featurette on Geoffrey Rush and Pierce Brosnan, 
though, which makes it clear how much they admire each others' 
talents despite coming from different backgrounds (Rush in theatre, 
Brosnan in TV) and how much they learned from each other. Boorman 
also makes several references to the pair in his commentary [a funny 
one revealing that Pierce Brosnan, who chain smokes throughout the 
film, is a non-smoker, and Rush is exactly the opposite - an addict 
playing a non-smoking character - after each take, a spluttering 
Brosnan would hand his fag to Rush. :-)]

> One of the enduring legends of the casting of DR is that Maggie
> Smith, having worked with him on 'David Copperfield', was 
> instrumental in getting him considered for the role of HP. To have 
> endorsement from two authorities like Boorman and Smith ought to 
> quell the snide comments about DR's performance. I stand by what I 
> said before, DR has it in him; but he does need a good director to 
> help him develop what he has.

I've never heard anything about any "endorsements" from Maggie Smith. 
I have heard Dan saying that having played with her before made work 
on PS/SS easier, though. 

As for the role of the director in shing kids' performances, I agree 
wholheartedly. Despite my reservations on other grounds, this is one 
reason I'd have liked Spielberg to have a crack at the HP whip: one 
thing everyone's agreed on is that he is *terrific* with child 
actors. Even the (now grown up) kid who played the five-year-old in 
Close Encounters admits that his performance in that film wasn't down 
to him, but Spielberg's ability.

I'm also very sorry that shortlisted Rob Reiner wasn't given the job 
instead of Columbus.






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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 19:51:25 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:51:25 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <ar0sp1+2eld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar0urt+s4im@eGroups.com>

Regina wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51493-2002Nov13.html

> I have heard that COS has a few problems, but he found nothing that 
> he thought was redeeming.   

That's not entirely true. He thought that the SFX were good (which 
they are) and admitted that the actyions sequences were well 
executed. His basic problem (as a non-reader of the books) was one 
with which I agree wholeheartedly (as someone who's read the books). 
This quote from his review:

"It's just a bunch of happenings that ape the progress of a story but 
never quite reach the threshold of narrative"

is basically a parahraphrase of my "it's just a series of set-pieces 
which lead nowhere in particular with no sense of narrative drive".

He wasn't sure whom to blame. I  primarily blame Columbus. Apart from 
seeming not to realise that he has to tell a STORY, he has absolutely 
no sense of rhythm - one of my HUGE objections to the movie as an HP 
fan which excellently illustrates this point is that the huge 
narrative climax (THAT anagram) falls down completely flat because 
Columbus can't see beyond the letter of the book. 

Coulson's magnificently rendered speech (ending with "Lord Voldermort 
is my past, present and future") makes the tension in the air 
palatable, but this is immediately completely lost because of the 
virtual eternity he spends writing his name in the air. As I've said 
before, Riddle's diary is at his feet (well, in Ginny's hands, but 
she's at his feet) with his full name embossed on it. Why on earth 
didn't he use that as a basis for the anagram?

I haven't yet had the opportunity to discuss the movie with people 
who've not read the book, but that will change on Saturday when I 
visit my sister, and we're all going together to see it (her, her 
hubby and their two kids, 6 and 3, none of whom have read beyond 
PS/SS). I suspect right now that the one who'll enjoy this movie the 
most will be the 3 year-old. He won't have a clue what's going on, 
but he won't see the need to look beyond the set pieces and 
scrumptious cinematography; his older brother will, and will sit 
there scratching his head trying to work out, for instance, why on 
earth Harry thinks Tom Riddle's diary knows anything about the 
Chamber. 

I'll report on their impressions when I return on Tuesday. :-)





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 20:12:52 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:12:52 -0000
Subject: Christopher Lee?
In-Reply-To: <ar0evm+7n2k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar1044+5c9n@eGroups.com>

sam wrote:
> Hi, gang.  I'm new here, but I just heard about the possible 
> casting  of Christopher Lee as Dumbledore in PoA, and I was 
> wondering what everyone else thinks about it.

Welcome aboard! (for future reference, just out of curiosity, are you 
a male Sam or a female Sam?) 

As for Christopher Lee, firstly he himself has discounted the rumour 
and refuses to comment on it (other than to say that he has not been 
approached, and considers the rumour to be in bad taste so soon after 
Harris's death).

My own view is that this fan-generated rumour (together with the Ian 
McKellen one) have originated with fanboys who can't see beyond 
pigeonholes. These same people objected to Richard Harris's casting 
in the first place on similar grounds (I have seen nothing wrong with 
Harris in principle; the fact that he clearly didn't take any trouble 
to work out what made the character tick and thus played him wrongly 
is beside the point). 

My ideal choice would be to take an unknown septagenerian rather than 
any of the other big names that have been doing the rounds (Connery, 
Hopkins, Attenborough, O'Toole, any of whom could have played the 
part). I certainly don't see Lee playing Dumbledore, not because he 
wouldn't be able to (on the contrary, I think he'd be great!) but 
because he'd play the part very differently to Harris. The same, in a 
different direction, goes for McKellen.

-- 
GulPlum, a male soft fruit. :-)





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu Nov 14 20:33:51 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:33:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Washington Post review (ouch!)
Message-ID: <13888198.1037306031814.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

> Regina wrote:
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51493-2002Nov13.html
> 
> > I have heard that COS has a few problems, but he found nothing that 
> > he thought was redeeming.   

GulPlum wrote:

> That's not entirely true. He thought that the SFX were good (which 
> they are) and admitted that the actyions sequences were well 
> executed. His basic problem (as a non-reader of the books) was one 
> with which I agree wholeheartedly (as someone who's read the books). 

Well, I didn't agree with a thing he said.  He obviously didn't have a clue 
what Harry Potter is actually about, and I highly suspect that he was writing 
something else while watching the movie, thus not understanding what on Earth 
was going on.  

I have thus far today written to both Todd Leopold (who wrote the article on 
CNN) and to the Washington Post.  I'm in quite a rare mood.  The kids were 
horrid today.  Someone please remind me why I chose this profession?  Anyway, I 
got a nice reply back from Todd Leopold and he added a comment in his list.  
The comment added in parentheses was thanks to me. :)  My claim to fame.  It 
was: (though Rowling hinted at the "Chamber" premiere that she's almost done 
writing)

I hate ill informed writers who don't properly research before writing.

Richelle


  ----------

Regina wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51493-2002Nov13.html

> I have heard that COS has a few problems, but he found nothing that 
> he thought was redeeming.   

That's not entirely true. He thought that the SFX were good (which 
they are) and admitted that the actyions sequences were well 
executed. His basic problem (as a non-reader of the books) was one 
with which I agree wholeheartedly (as someone who's read the books). 
This quote from his review:

"It's just a bunch of happenings that ape the progress of a story but 
never quite reach the threshold of narrative"

is basically a parahraphrase of my "it's just a series of set-pieces 
which lead nowhere in particular with no sense of narrative drive".

He wasn't sure whom to blame. I  primarily blame Columbus. Apart from 
seeming not to realise that he has to tell a STORY, he has absolutely 
no sense of rhythm - one of my HUGE objections to the movie as an HP 
fan which excellently illustrates this point is that the huge 
narrative climax (THAT anagram) falls down completely flat because 
Columbus can't see beyond the letter of the book. 

Coulson's magnificently rendered speech (ending with "Lord Voldermort 
is my past, present and future") makes the tension in the air 
palatable, but this is immediately completely lost because of the 
virtual eternity he spends writing his name in the air. As I've said 
before, Riddle's diary is at his feet (well, in Ginny's hands, but 
she's at his feet) with his full name embossed on it. Why on earth 
didn't he use that as a basis for the anagram?

I haven't yet had the opportunity to discuss the movie with people 
who've not read the book, but that will change on Saturday when I 
visit my sister, and we're all going together to see it (her, her 
hubby and their two kids, 6 and 3, none of whom have read beyond 
PS/SS). I suspect right now that the one who'll enjoy this movie the 
most will be the 3 year-old. He won't have a clue what's going on, 
but he won't see the need to look beyond the set pieces and 
scrumptious cinematography; his older brother will, and will sit 
there scratching his head trying to work out, for instance, why on 
earth Harry thinks Tom Riddle's diary knows anything about the 
Chamber. 

I'll report on their impressions when I return on Tuesday. :-)




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From sam at ewandust.net  Thu Nov 14 20:48:45 2002
From: sam at ewandust.net (sam)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:48:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Christopher Lee?
In-Reply-To: <ar1044+5c9n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021114204845.57085.qmail@web102.bizmail.yahoo.com>


 It's a female Sam. :)
I would accept Ian McKellen easier than I would Christopher Lee, but you have a point.  Go with an unknown.  Do you think they'll try that?
sam
  GulPlum <plumeski at yahoo.com> wrote: Welcome aboard! (for future reference, just out of curiosity, are you a male Sam or a female Sam?) 

As for Christopher Lee, firstly he himself has discounted the rumour and refuses to comment on it (other than to say that he has not been approached, and considers the rumour to be in bad taste so soon after Harris's death).

My own view is that this fan-generated rumour (together with the Ian McKellen one) have originated with fanboys who can't see beyond pigeonholes. These same people objected to Richard Harris's casting in the first place on similar grounds (I have seen nothing wrong with Harris in principle; the fact that he clearly didn't take any trouble to work out what made the character tick and thus played him wrongly is beside the point). 

My ideal choice would be to take an unknown septagenerian rather than any of the other big names that have been doing the rounds (Connery, Hopkins, Attenborough, O'Toole, any of whom could have played the part). I certainly don't see Lee playing Dumbledore, not because he wouldn't be able to (on the contrary, I think he'd be great!) but because he'd play the part very differently to Harris. The same, in a different direction, goes for McKellen.

-- 
GulPlum, a male soft fruit. :-)


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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 21:40:05 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:40:05 -0000
Subject: more questions (MAJOR spoilers!)
In-Reply-To: <018d01c28b93$8def0360$b8a0cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <ar157l+2vqj@eGroups.com>

Richelle Votaw wrote:

SP
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SP
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> Harry is on the statue of Slytherin.  Almost drops the sword, grabs
> it, stabs it up into the basilisk.  Fang goes into Harry's arm.  
> Then what? Immediately pulls the fang out?  Makes his way all the 
> way down to where Ginny is?  What does Ginny say?  What does Ginny 
> do?  (Are you sure it's not May yet?)

Harry stabs Basilisk (with hand into the back of its mouth). 
Harry pulls out hand, notices fang in arm, pulls out fang.
Basilisk slithers down; head lands upside down, dead.
Harry makes his way down and walks around Basilisk head.
Harry drags himself (and audibly, sword) towards Riddle and Ginny.
Ginny is out cold.
Riddle says something like "I'm getting stronger, she's getting 
weaker, you have a minute to die".
Harry looks up, pulls diary out of Ginny's hands, opens it 
(Riddle shouts something like "what are you doing? stop it!")
and stabs it with the fang. (NOTE: the diary is NOT delivered by 
Fawkes; it's Harry's initiative out of the blue to pull it out of 
Ginny's hands)
Big SFX moment as burst of white flame opens Riddle's chest.
Harry continues stabbing at open diary (as whiteness continues to 
engulf Riddle), closes diary and stabs it again through the cover 
(for good measure).
Riddle disappears ("blows up" might be more accurate).
Ginny wakes up.
Ginny says "it was all my fault" etc. (though she doesn't say 
anything about being scared of being expelled). "Harry, you're hurt".
Harry tells her to "get yourself out" (repeat of line from PS/SS).
Fawkes arrives and lands next to kneeling Harry.
Harry says "you were great Fawkes, but I wasn't quick enough".
Fawkes cries into wound.
Harry says my favourite non-Lucius line (all my other favourite lines 
strangely enough come from Lucius!) :-) not in the book: "It's 
alright Ginny. It's over. It's just a memory".

Cut to Fawkes flying them out (NB non-canonical bit: Lockhart holds 
onto Fawkes, Ron onto Lockhart, Harry onto Ron, and then Ginny 
*holding onto Harry!* - the book Ginny would never do that!).

<snip>

Re. Hospital post-Quidditch scene: there's no Colin at Harry's 
bedside. It's The Gryffindor team, plus Ron & Hermione.

> I love it.  I absolutely love it.  MORE, I want MORE!!!!
> (hyperventalates while begging for spoilers) :)

Ask what you want spoiled, and I'll oblige. I will not, however, 
transcribe the entire screenplay. :-)





From skelkins at attbi.com  Thu Nov 14 21:56:50 2002
From: skelkins at attbi.com (ssk7882)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:56:50 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Fantastic Posts And Where To Find Them
Message-ID: <ar1672+5a3f@eGroups.com>

<Elkins, seated in a folding chair across the street from the
local cinema, leans back and prepares to enjoy the show.  Already 
the trailers have begun: there is a small group of people at the 
head of the line struggling to get a four-man tent open without the 
wind blowing it away.>

Hi, everyone!

While all you Murricans are still eagerly awaiting the CoS movie 
release, we have an exciting announcement of our own to make. The 
file of Frequently Asked Questions (also known as the FAQs) has 
been given a face lift. They have been upgraded, revised, hot-linked,
tweaked, expanded, nipped, tucked and -- most important of all -- 
re-named!

That's right. The essays and compilations of many of the fascinating 
issues members have discussed on the main list will henceforth be 
called "Fantastic Posts And Where To Find Them." That's "Fantastic 
Posts" for short.  Or "FPs" for even shorter.  The Fantastic Posts 
can be found at: 

http://www.i2k.com/~svderark/lexicon/faq/

Best of all, we have several brand new, never-before-seen Fantastic 
Posts to unveil. You may now feast your eyes on newly available or 
revised essays for HPfGU: A History, Mysteries, Pettigrew, Sirius, 
Snape and the Weasley Family.  

Not only that, but our newly updated Fantastic Posts site also 
features those Classic FAQs that you have grown to know and love.  
But for your viewing enjoyment, we have magically transformed them 
into Classic Fantastic Posts with hot links to the referenced 
messages.  No more looking up message numbers by hand, one by one; 
that's all been done for you by our tech wizards.

In gratitude for all of their hard work on the Fantastic Posts, the 
Moderator Team has roped off a special section of the very best CoS 
movie seats for our Fantastic Posts team.  Provided they don't drown
in the night while huddled on the pavement in their sleeping bags, 
they will be given a single box of chocolate-covered almonds to pass 
around among themselves:

Ali Hewison
Amandageist
Barb
Caius Marcius
Catherine Coleman
Cindy C.
Dicentra
Eileen LuckyKari
Debbie AKA Elfundeb
Eloise
Gwen
Heidi Tandy
Jim Ferer
Jim Flanagan
Joy
Kimberly
Lexicon Steve
Marina
Mike AKA Aberforth's Goat
Neil Ward
Parker
Paul Kippes
Penny
Pip
Pippin
Porphyria
Queer as John 
Sheryll
Simon
Siriusgeoloist
Tabouli

Thank you for your attention, and enjoy the show!

<The people at the front of the line are now casting confused looks 
at the spikes in their hands, and then down at the pavement, and then 
back at the spikes in their hands.  The first cold hard driving 
inches of rain begin to fall.  Elkins glances up at the awning above 
her chair, smirks unbecomingly, and tosses another handful of popcorn 
into her mouth.  She always does *so* enjoy film premiers.>


Elkins, For The Mods




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 22:18:37 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:18:37 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <13888198.1037306031814.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>
Message-ID: <ar17ft+f635@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., rvotaw at i... wrote:


> Well, I didn't agree with a thing he said.  He obviously didn't
> have a clue what Harry Potter is actually about, and I highly 
> suspect that he was writing something else while watching the 
> movie, thus not understanding what on Earth was going on.  

Errr... I apologise in advance if this sounds rude (it's honestly not 
meant to) but he was reviewing a movie which you've not seen. On what 
basis can you possibly disagree with everything he says?

The fact is, the movie *IS* a narrative mess. I saw PS/SS not having 
read the book, but could still make out the thrust of the story 
despite not understanding a couple of things until I'd read the book; 
with CoS, I can't be objective but I can honestly see how someone who 
has not read the book might see it as a series of non-sequiturs.

A few of the things the movie does not address, or if it does, 
they're so subtle that only people who've read the book can see them 
(this is FAR from an exhaustive list!):

- Ginny's crush on Harry
- explanation for why Ron & Co arrive to "save" Harry (ie no 
implication that they've been worried about lack of communication)
- letter from Hermione arranging to meet in Diagon Alley (she's just 
*there* with her parents)
- Riddle's "Award for Services to Hogwarts" (on what basis does Harry 
make any kind of connection between him and the Chamber?)
- Colin's fascination with Harry (major disappointment)
- establishment of who is and isn't Muggle-born (we're left to infer 
it from the Basilisk's victims)

And a few other departures from canon:

As I've said before, I have a HUGE problem with the fact that Harry 
speaks Parseltongue rather than English. He hears English in the 
walls, and spoke English to the snake in PS/SS. I'm sure this is all 
quite puzzling to newcomers to the story.

There is absolutely no sense of deepening malaise after the Basilisk 
attacks. The *only* person affected appears to be Harry. There is 
only one small indication of the school turning against Harry (and no 
real direct connection with the attacks or the Parseltongue).

No MoM warning letter about doing magic at home.

Conflation of time (Harry arrives at The Burrow; they seem 
immediately to depart for Diagon Alley and immediately after that to 
leave for Kings Cross).

Something I find particularly worrying is the recuction of Ron's role 
to comic relief. He comes out of this movie appearing quite 
horrendously stupid.

I therefore find it perfectly reasonable for someone who has not read 
the books to find the movie confusing. Heck, it wasn't until I'd re-
read the book and refreshed my memory about a few things that it 
stopped being confusing for me!

> I hate ill informed writers who don't properly research before
> writing.

Whilst that accusation may be (slightly) addressed to Todd Leopold on 
CNN (although I found his article to be reasonably fair), movie 
reviewers are NOT required to research the background to movies. If a 
movie doesn't stand on its own merits, there's nothing wrong with 
pointing it out. And I would submit that there is nothing wrong in 
itself with people not reading the HP books...

I'd add to that, that whilst PS/SS made me want to read the book, I'm 
not so sure that CoS would have had the same effect...






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 22:31:17 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:31:17 -0000
Subject: Soundtrack CD covers
Message-ID: <ar187l+sk6l@eGroups.com>

This issue was raised a few days ago, but a definitive answer was 
never posted.

Having seen all five "collectors'" covers for the CoS soundtrack, I 
can confirm that they depict:

Harry with Sword
Ron with Mandrake
Hermione with "Magical Me" book
Dumbledore with Fawkes
Hagrid with jar of Flesh-Eating Slug Repellant.

I've decided against buying any of them (for the time being)






From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Fri Nov 15 01:31:09 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 01:31:09 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <ar0sp1+2eld@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar1iot+5lks@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Regina" <itzregina at h...> wrote:
> I have heard that COS has a few problems, but he found nothing 
that 
> he thought was redeeming.   
> 
Yeah, well, it's the Washington Post, though, isn't it?  Sounds like 
the reviewer has been drinking since the election last week.  To say 
that the HP stories are just a series of unconnected anecdotes is 
ridiculous.  JKR is almost obsessive about linking every single 
little detail.  If he's too lazy to remember who Voldemort is, I 
guess the ending would be a little flat, but that's hardly the fault 
of the movie.  There's always at least one reviewer who wants to 
show off how hard he is to impress; I haven't heard many reviewers 
who share his poor opinion.


Wanda





From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 02:39:47 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:39:47 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <ar1iot+5lks@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar1mpj+mkdd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> Wanda Sherratt wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, well, it's the Washington Post, though, isn't it?  Sounds
> > like the reviewer has been drinking since the election last 
week.  
> > To say that the HP stories are just a series of unconnected 
> > anecdotes is ridiculous.  JKR is almost obsessive about linking 
> > every single little detail.  If he's too lazy to remember who 
> > Voldemort is, I guess the ending would be a little flat, but 
that's 
> > hardly the fault of the movie.  There's always at least one 
> > reviewer who wants to show off how hard he is to impress; I 
haven't 
> > heard many reviewers who share his poor opinion.

Go to 
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/HarryPotterandtheChamberofSecrets-
1116751/
and you'll see loads of reviews. Although the "Tomato Meter" says the 
reviews are 80% or so "fresh" (positive), the opinions are in fact 
more mixed.

BTW, he didn't say HP stories are just a series of unconnected 
anecdotes. He said the MOVIE is. Therefore he wasn't sure whom to 
blame.

I've not seen the movie yet. But reviews like this and GulPlum's made 
me worried because I've always had problem with Columbus' story-
telling ability and general skills (or more exactly, sense) of 
direction. But, then, I might not get too disappointed when I see the 
movie in another 6 hours. After all, my expectations are kept low 
since SS/PS really can't make me hope for another collaboration 
between Klove and Columbus.

VJH





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 02:55:15 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 02:55:15 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <ar1iot+5lks@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar1nmj+o4m0@eGroups.com>

(I wrote a very different reply a few minutes ago but decided to 
delete it because I was too anrgy and strident in my language. I hope 
nobody saw it.)

Wanda Sherratt wrote:

> Yeah, well, it's the Washington Post, though, isn't it?  Sounds
> like the reviewer has been drinking since the election last week.  

> To say 
> that the HP stories are just a series of unconnected anecdotes is 
> ridiculous.  

To say that this is the thrust of his review is even more ridiculous. 
All he is saying (quite reasonably, IMO) is that *this movie* is a 
series of disjointed scenes. I challenge any adult (HP fan or 
otherwise) who has seen the movie to disagree with that assessment.

> JKR is almost obsessive about linking every single 
> little detail.  

What's that got to do with anything? JKR didn't write the script and 
believe me, it shows. As someone who clearly hasn't read the books, 
he asks the perfectly reasonable question whether the disjointed 
nature of the plot is the fault of the source material or adaptaion. 
It's a perfectly honourable position to take, unless you really, 
seriously, wish to disparage him for not having read the book?

> If he's too lazy to remember who Voldemort is, I 
> guess the ending would be a little flat, but that's hardly the 
> fault of the movie.  

Huh? It's hardly his fault that you seem to have completely 
misunderstood what he was saying (especially if, as I suspect, you've 
yet to see the movie). The ending of the movie *is* flat. What's that 
got to do with remembering who Voldemort is? 

> There's always at least one reviewer who wants to 
> show off how hard he is to impress; I haven't heard many reviewers 
> who share his poor opinion.

I must admit that I don't read the Washington Post, and I've never 
read anything this person has ever had to say. I therefore have no 
idea whether he has any kind of bone to grind or whether he is by 
nature negative. 

However, I must also admit that I agree with everything he says. I 
would have said exactly the same things had I not read the book 
before I saw the film. Not being able to understand a movie because 
one hasn't read the book on which it is based is hardly a ringing 
endorsement for that movie.  

He admits that the SFX and action sequences were well done (which 
they were) but the plot sucked. Big time. See other posts of mine for 
further elucidation. So why should he be crucifed?






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 03:18:25 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:18:25 -0000
Subject: Washington Post review  (ouch!)
In-Reply-To: <ar1mpj+mkdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar1p21+s8ki@eGroups.com>

vincentjh wrote:

<snip>

> I've not seen the movie yet. But reviews like this and GulPlum's
> made me worried because I've always had problem with Columbus' 
> story-telling ability and general skills (or more exactly, sense) 
> of direction. But, then, I might not get too disappointed when I 
> see the movie in another 6 hours. After all, my expectations are 
> kept low since SS/PS really can't make me hope for another 
> collaboration between Klove and Columbus.

After all I've said recently with my film-fan hat on, I would, 
however, urge people to consider my "bullet-point review" (Msg #3960) 
to be more representative of my views with my HP-fan hat on. 

Yes, the most significant problems with this adaptation is the lack 
of a coherent storyline connecting all the sequences together and 
some pacing issues (and some problems with the acting, but clearly a 
lot of people disagree with me on that). However, those who've read 
the books can connect the dots quite easily, and a lot of the dots 
are clearly provided. The set-pieces *are* done very well, and HP 
fans should be grateful for that at least.

I would suggest, though, that people keep their expectations of the 
subtelty which we all admire in JKR's writing fairly low, and not 
enthuse about the film too much to non-HP fan friends, because blank 
stares are likely to be a major feature of the response.







From buffyeton at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 04:00:39 2002
From: buffyeton at yahoo.com (Tamara)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 04:00:39 -0000
Subject: Rupert Grint's movie promotion appearence on Leno
In-Reply-To: <20021114170041.29886.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ar1rh7+qa9q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Andrea <ra_1013 at y...> wrote:
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler
> > spoiler

> Personally, I was a little disappointed in the Howler scene.  It 
might
> come across differently on the big screen, but I thought it fell a 
little
> flat.  The voice wasn't *nearly* loud enough, and I think it 
would've been
> a nice touch to keep it smoking around the edges.  Ron looked 
terrified,
> but the Howler just didn't seem that bad.
> 
> I DID like how it ripped itself into pieces at the end, though. *g*
> 
> 
> Andrea
> 
Rupert's facial expressions were just too stupid for me to even 
watch.  All of the kids seem to be either over acting or under 
acting, and the screenplay has ruined what made the book so good. 




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Fri Nov 15 04:31:51 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:31:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Washington Post review (ouch!)/ Re: more questions (MAJOR spoilers!)
References: <ar17ft+f635@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015301c28c5f$eb8d8f60$7a9dcdd1@istu757>

GulPlum writes:

> Errr... I apologise in advance if this sounds rude (it's honestly not
> meant to) but he was reviewing a movie which you've not seen. On what
> basis can you possibly disagree with everything he says?

Oh, quit reminding me. :(  I don't necessarily disagree with everything he
says, it's the rude and childish manner in which he says it.

> The fact is, the movie *IS* a narrative mess. I saw PS/SS not having
> read the book, but could still make out the thrust of the story
> despite not understanding a couple of things until I'd read the book;
> with CoS, I can't be objective but I can honestly see how someone who
> has not read the book might see it as a series of non-sequiturs.

Mmm, here's where I differ.  I was half way through reading PS/SS before
seeing the movie.  So I had a background in it somewhat.  I have watched
PS/SS with various friends and relatives.  And every one of them was left
with a "huh?" after the movie.  Each time I spent a good twenty minutes
giving a brief review of the facts and filling in the missing details.

> A few of the things the movie does not address, or if it does,
> they're so subtle that only people who've read the book can see them
> (this is FAR from an exhaustive list!):
>
<snip>
> - Colin's fascination with Harry (major disappointment)

I must say that will be a disappointment to me as well.  The little fellow
they had playing Colin was so utterly cute.  Maybe he can't act worth
anything, I don't know, but he sure is cute.

Things that bothered me about this fellow's article in the Washington Post
were the sort of thing like saying there was no point in the Whomping Willow
and flying car.  Um, okay, hello, the flying car comes back later in the
movie!  How else would it get in the forest?  The Whomping Willow isn't
supposed to come back in this movie, it's not in again until the next book.
That's when we see the point.

I think my point is that the movies are made based on a premise that 95% of
people seeing them will have read the books.  The other 5%, oh, well, that's
their mistake.

CNN has a much more positive review, entitled "Review: 'Chamber' a rousing,
top rank sequel."  Subtitled "Harry and his crew return, and how." :)

Now on to other things, including spoilers:

>
> SP
> OI
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> SP
> AC
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>
> SP
> OI
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> R
> SP
> AC
> E

First of all, to GulPlum, thank you, thank you, thank you.  And thank you
again.  I really couldn't have stood it until the DVD release not knowing
exactly what would happen in the basilisk scene.

GulPlum writes:

> Ginny says "it was all my fault" etc. (though she doesn't say
> anything about being scared of being expelled). "Harry, you're hurt".
> Harry tells her to "get yourself out" (repeat of line from PS/SS).

I'm going to be an idiot again (hey, no comments!) and ask, where is that
line in PS/SS?  I watched it again Monday night and didn't catch it.  I
*thought* it was after the chess scene, but Harry said something like "Take
Ron and get out, send an owl, etc."  I think.  Or is the repetition just
similar, not exact?  Anyway, I did notice one other repeated line.  "Scared
Potter" from Draco.  In the Forbidden Forest Harry says to Draco if he
didn't know better he'd think he was scared, and Draco says, "Scared,
Potter"  Sure, the meaning is different, but it's the same line from the
same actor.

> Fawkes arrives and lands next to kneeling Harry.

Aha!  Harry's kneeling!  I can now force my mother to stop her "Harry, he
lay a dying" comments.  She thought that was most amusing, for some reason.
But if he isn't actually lying down, well, there you go.

> Ask what you want spoiled, and I'll oblige. I will not, however,
> transcribe the entire screenplay. :-)

Oh, darn it.   Are you sure? :)  Just kidding.  I was actually trying to
think which of my friends would be willing to take my cell phone to the
movie and lay it casually beside them.  But with my luck the battery would
die at a most crucial moment.

One quick question (yes, just one. . . for now).  In the hospital wing when
Dobby comes to talk to Harry, what exactly wakes him up?  I mean, in the
book it's Dobby sponging Harry's face.  I can't quite see them doing that in
the movie, though.  Oh, okay, I lied.  Two questions.  What about Colin?  He
does actually get petrified, right?  Do they bring him to the hospital wing
while Harry's in there like in the book?

Hmm, that may actually have been three questions.  Oh, well, I tried to
limit myself.

Okay, off to bed.  Thanks again!

Richelle




From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 08:49:03 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:49:03 -0000
Subject: HP fan before or after PS/SS?
Message-ID: <ar2cdv+bkfk@eGroups.com>

I saw PS/SS without reading the books. I have my own ideas about what was good and bad about it. Anyways, I didn't run out of the theatre and buy all four books. It was a few months before I bought SS, and I was stuck in an airport with nothing to read. 
Only then was I hooked into the WW. 
So, as a (some would say recent) HP fanatic, I'll see CoS. But, from the reviews so far, I won't recommend any non HP fans to see it right away. 
Anyone else want to share their thoughts?

-Andrea/Kattrap




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 13:09:09 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:09:09 -0000
Subject: Washington Post/more questions (MAJOR spoilers!)
In-Reply-To: <015301c28c5f$eb8d8f60$7a9dcdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <ar2rll+b8vg@eGroups.com>

Richelle Votaw wrote:


> I have watched
> PS/SS with various friends and relatives.  And every one of them 
> was left with a "huh?" after the movie.  Each time I spent a good 
> twenty minutes giving a brief review of the facts and filling in 
> the missing details.

I was left with only one "huh?" after PS/SS, which was: why on earth 
does Snape despise Harry? I bought the book on the way home from the 
cinema to answer that question, and absolutely couldn't understand 
why the screenplay didn't address it in the obviously incomplete way 
the book did. It needed ONE sentence from Dumbledore in the hospital 
scene.

Sure, the book fills in loads of other details, but the film is 
comprehensible on its own terms without them. Furthermore, PS/SS is 
clearly setting up the foundations for the series as a whole, and 
thus its more anecdotal rather than narrative-driven plot is 
excusable. CoS (the book) had a tight narrative but the film has been 
reduced to a series of major set pieces, each of which (as many 
reviews have pointed out) are given equal importance.

I therefore defend his complaints about the Whomping Willow scene 
(for instance) not on the basis that the tree is itself unimportant 
(which we know is not the case), but it is given an importance in 
*this* film which it does not warrant. The Willow gets more screen 
time than Colin, for instance, which is frankly wrong.

Many reviews I've seen have used terms like "boring", "plodding" 
or "pedestrian pacing" to describe CoS; Columbus (and Kloves) divide 
it (as they did PS/SS) into a series of four minute sequences and it 
is this insistence on surface balance which ultimately makes the film 
structurally *un*balanced. They have some kind of checklist of 
elements from the book which need to be covered, and give each of 
them its own sequence, instead of intertwining the various threads to 
create a coherent whole. Some elements are thus rushed, and some are 
slowed down or enlarged to give them their statutory screen time. 

It's film-making by numbers which is unsatifying and, frankly, 
patronising. In one of his interviews, Daniel came out with that word 
to describe most kids' films, in the context that most kids' live 
action films refuse to address "darkness". Yes, Columbus and Kloves 
didn't shy away from covering some of the more difficult elements of 
the storyline, but ultimately this is just reduced to a romp through 
a series of adventures rather than an attempt to correlate, for 
instance, Draco's behaviour to that of Riddle.

Another of my pet bugs is the duelling club scene - whilst visually 
entertaining for the kids, all they do is toss each other twenty feet 
into the air; it seems as if there's no difference between the 
various incantations. In particular, the "expelliarmus" doesn't 
actually cause Lockhart and his wand to part company! 

> <snip>
<Colin's role> 

> I must say that will be a disappointment to me as well.  The little
> fellow they had playing Colin was so utterly cute.  Maybe he can't 
> act worth anything, I don't know, but he sure is cute.

Yes, he's cute (he's also quite tiny). :-) I suspect that his role 
wasn't reduced because of any deficiencies on his part, but was 
written that way from the start.

In fact, his whole "motivation" has been changed: Film-Colin's role 
isn't to follow Harry around and pester him, but to be a kind of mini-
papparazzo, getting under everyone's feet. There are a few instances 
in which he puts his camera to his face to take pictures, but is 
stopped by the hand of people considerably taller than him (whose 
faces we don't see and thus can't identify them). 

> I think my point is that the movies are made based on a premise
> that 95% of people seeing them will have read the books.  The other 
> 5%, oh, well, that's their mistake.

Clearly, that is the case. However, it is a very, very shaky premise 
on which to base a movie, and considering most (adult) film critics 
will not have read the books, it is little wonder that critics might 
not like it. The fact that the audience may not have read the books 
is absolutely no defence for the film-makers being sloppy and unable 
to tell a story.

> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E
> >
> > SP
> > OI
> > LE
> > R
> > SP
> > AC
> > E

> > Harry tells her to "get yourself out" (repeat of line from PS/SS).
> 
> I'm going to be an idiot again (hey, no comments!) and ask, where
> is that line in PS/SS?  I watched it again Monday night and didn't 
> catch it.  I *thought* it was after the chess scene, but Harry said 
> something like "Take Ron and get out, send an owl, etc."  I think.  
> Or is the repetition just similar, not exact?  

My fault. I had mis-remembered the line from the first movie (yes, I 
was thinking about the post-chess scene too). 

<snip>

> In the hospital wing when Dobby comes to talk to Harry, what 
> exactly wakes him up?  I mean, in the book it's Dobby sponging 
> Harry's face.  I can't quite see them doing that in the movie, 
> though.  

He's woken up by The Voices (although it's unsure whether he's 
hearing them or dreaming). It's done quite amusingly, because he 
weakes up, looks around and is interrupted by Dobby saying "hello". 
The jolt from the tone of the voices to his jovial welcome is one of 
the things done well. Returning to the more general comments above, 
what's REALLY infuriating about this film is that each individual 
scene is very well structured. It's putting them together that causes 
the problem.

> What about Colin?  He does actually get petrified, right?  

Of course. 

> Do they bring him to the hospital wing while Harry's in there like 
> in the book?

Yes. His arrival is what causes Dobby to disappear. He's frozen with 
the camera at his face, which was yet another nice touch. We get a 
closeup of his face underneath, which is just the way I imagined it.






From kesa101 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 14:46:28 2002
From: kesa101 at yahoo.com (kesa101)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:46:28 -0000
Subject: Happy Harry Potter Day Everyone!
Message-ID: <ar31c4+rsbi@eGroups.com>

Hi All!

I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy Harry Day! Can you believe 
it's finally November 15th?  I can't.

I hope everyone enjoys the movie and has fun time at the theater.

carolyn :)




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Fri Nov 15 14:55:47 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:55:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP fan before or after PS/SS?
Message-ID: <12481035.1037372147745.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

Andrea/Kattrap writes:

> I saw PS/SS without reading the books. I have my own ideas about what was 
good and bad about it. Anyways, I didn't run out of the theatre and buy all 
four books. It was a few months before I bought SS, and I was stuck in an 
airport with nothing to read. Only then was I hooked into the WW. 

I was half way through PS/SS when I saw the movie.  I already had bought all 
four books, simply because my partner teacher/best friend kept telling me how 
good they were.  I didn't think it could possibly be that big of a deal, and 
since I rarely have time to read for pleasure, just hadn't got around to it.  
Then a couple of weeks before the movie came out on DVD I said, well, better 
start this thing.  After seeing the movie, though, and the final chamber scene, 
I snatched the book back up and read pretty much nonstop (okay, except for 
going to work) through the rest of the four books.  Then started over.  So 
basically I think I hit it just about right.  But really, how many people were 
precisely half way through the book, then saw the movie, then went back to the 
book?  So really, I guess I was neither book first nor movie first. Although 
the movie made me much more anxious to finish up the books and see what 
happened.  My first thought was wanting to finish PS/SS and see what *really* 
happened.  I mean, movies are never exactly like the books.  

> So, as a (some would say recent) HP fanatic, I'll see CoS. But, from the 
reviews so far, I won't recommend any non HP fans to see it right away. 
> Anyone else want to share their thoughts?

I was listening to the radio this morning and the guy was wanting to see CoS 
due to the hype, but had decided he should at least rent the first movie before 
seeing it.  And I think anyone who hasn't at least seen the first movie (if 
they're too lazy to read the books) probably shouldn't see it.  Unless they 
happen to have a great love of large spiders and giant snakes.

Richelle
  ----------

I saw PS/SS without reading the books. I have my own ideas about what was good and bad about it. Anyways, I didn't run out of the theatre and buy all four books. It was a few months before I bought SS, and I was stuck in an airport with nothing to read. 
Only then was I hooked into the WW. 
So, as a (some would say recent) HP fanatic, I'll see CoS. But, from the reviews so far, I won't recommend any non HP fans to see it right away. 
Anyone else want to share their thoughts?

-Andrea/Kattrap



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From lauren.healy at tesco.net  Fri Nov 15 15:58:05 2002
From: lauren.healy at tesco.net (Lauren Healy)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:58:05 -0000
Subject: Chamber of Secrets Review *SPOILERS*
In-Reply-To: <1037104546.456.97839.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <MBBBIJLGHHKMCFCGKJCCGEICCBAA.lauren.healy@tesco.net>

Hi.

I haven't been around for a while.  I've had a virus/chest infection, so
haven't been able to reply to any mails.  I'm now going to do some
spoilering, and some comments on GulPlum's  bulletted review, cuz I have
some stuff to say!!!

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All the stuff that GulPlum is in <<  >>  Just so you know!!

GOOD POINTS:

<<First and foremost Lucius, Lucius and once again Lucius. Dispite
mispronouncing his name by my reckoning :-) Isaacs did his homework,
had some ideas and ran with them as far as he could. I liked every
one of them, even the flowing hair, which I know some peoole don't
like.>>

I loved Issacs as Lucius.  I heard that the first time he went into a
rehersal with Tom Felton (Draco) he clipped him around the back of the head
with his hand, just to show the relationship he felt they should have.  I
think he was excellent!

<<Arthur Weasley. Only a very short appearance and not quite like in
the book, but Mark Williams has made the character his own.>>

Again, I thought Mark Williams was great.  I've always liked him, most for
his comedic performances on 'The Fast Show' over here in England.  I think
he was a good Authur.  However, I feel that he lacked a little in enthusiasm
in seeing Harry for the first time, and his interest in Muggles wasn't shown
as passionatly as I thought it could have been.

<<Dobby. A week ago, I would have laughed if I'd thought I'd be
saying that. Both technically (ie the CG work) and the appearance/
voice, I was utterly gobsmacked. He is no PS/SS troll, and I found
the character quite endearing in a way I didn't when reading the
book.>>

Dobby was soooooo cute!  I know many people will disagree, but I thought he
was just adorable.  I pictured Dobby slightly different, maybe smaller, with
much bigger ears, bigger eyes and a different voice.  He's not as bad as
everyone thought he was going to be (and not an ounce of Jar-Jar Binks about
him!)  ;-)

<<Polyjuice sequence and Moaning Myrtle. The transformation itself is
a very cinematic moment in the book anyway, but I thought the few
changes they introduced were for the good. The Crabbe & Goyle actors
playing Ron & Harry playing themselves were terrific. Ron's
throwaway "how thick can you get?" line was priceless (in the book, I
found it a bit weird that C&G would go for it).>>

That line was fantastic!  I remember sitting in the film with my mates and
one of them said to me during that scene "Who would be stupid enough to eat
a floating cake?!" and then just after it, Ron said that line and we just
rolled on the floor with laughing!  Anyway, Jamie and Luke (I think it's
Luke, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) were amazing.  I thik they
were just great!

<<Having seen Shirley Henderson in "Once Upon a Time in the Midlands" just
recently, I
couldn't see her pulling off playing a teenager, but she got it down
excellently. In answer to a comment I saw somewhere, yes, that is her
*real* voice, squeakiness and fingernails-on-a-blackboard
scratchiness included. :-)>>

I have seen Shirley Henderson in a few things (Bridget Jones's Diary, in
which she plays Bridget's best friend, Jude) and in the Mike Leigh film
'Topsy Turvy' (about the English operetta writers Gilbert and Sullivan) and
she is just fabulous.  I wondered if she could successfully play a teenager,
but I wasn't disappointed.  I actually believed that she was a teen stuck as
a ghost!

<<The Chamber squence, with a couple of exceptions. However, having
heard all the hype about how wonderful it was and how they'd made it
look taller than it was, I was expecting it to be somewhat *more*
impressive. I'd got the impression from some of the publicity
material that at some stage Ron was in the Chamber itself; I was
relieved to find that this isn't the case.>>

I enjoyed the whole Chamber experience.  I thought it was sufficiently
scary, but not too much, and it was kind of how I imagined it.  It was dark
(sometimes maybe a little too dark) and the Basilisk was freaky!

<<Little touches in the script which, although departures from the
book, added a little something. A few examples: Hermione fixing
Harry's glasses in Diagon Alley ("Oculus Repairo") and
Harry's "Thanks, I definitely need to remember that one". Vernon's
reference to Hedwig as a "pigeon" (that one had me in stitches).
Lucius's lines in Flourish & Blotts and the fact that *he*
establishes that the Grangers are Muggles (the implication is that
for most wizards, the distinction is irrelevant so it's never been
brought up, but for him, it is). Unlike some, I'm glad that Arthur
didn't physically attack Lucius.>>

The script, on the whole, I felt, was slicker, better written, and just a
big improvement on the last one.  The one-liners that Ron has to say had me
in stitches, Draco had some good ones as well, and I liked how in some
places, it was practically word for word from the book (I think the Cornish
Pixie scene is one of these, and possibly Harrys' detention scene as well)
A very good script

BAD POINTS:

<<First and foremost, the last scene in the Great Hall. From
beginning to end. What the hell were they thinking? I honestly don't
have a single good thing to say about it: Badly written, poorly
acted, at odds with the book and so sugary that diabetics should stay
away. It was *so* bad that I walked out of the cinema after my first
viewing feeling the whole film was bad, as it had so coloured my
experience. For my second viewing, I left the cinema before the cut
to that scene and as a result, felt much better about the film
overall.>>

I agree with this on some levels, but in fairness, is it all too much the
same to have the near exact ebding as the last one?  If you remember the
book ending, it ends on the platform, saying goodbye, and the first one is
on the train platform, saying goodbye.  I can see how they may have wanted
to make a change.  I did think that it was cheesy Hollywood and since when
has Hagrid become the star of the school?  Who just saved a whole lot of
lives?  Not Hagrid, so why are they clapping him?!  I thought this a tad
over the top.  I didn't think that it was all poorly acted though.

<<Daniel's acting. I'm going to be tactless and say that I'm glad
that Daniel has interests outside acting on which he might build a
future career, because on the evidence of this film, without some
serious coaching he's not going to get anywhere. In his defence,
though, I suspect that his main failing isn't necessarily a lack of
talent, but that he seems too self-conscious. He doesn't appear to
abandon himself to the role and half of his dialogue was spoken as if
he didn't understand what he was saying. He did very well in the
action sequences, but in scenes which required a degree of subtlety,
he (or rather, Columbus) seemed to rely on his admittedly very sweet
smile. I am geatting heartily sick of getting ultra close-ups of his
face (a Columbus trademark). This was acceptable in the first film,
where the character was meant to be innocent and lost in this new
world, but CoS presents a much more complicated Harry, and this
simply didn't come across. As with most 10 or 11 years old, he got
the part because he looked it; that is no longer enough. Another
element is Columbus's direction, so I might change my mind about
Daniel after I've seen what Cuaron gets out of him.>>

I think Dan has improved tremendoulsy since the first film, and I couldn't
see anything majorly wring with him in this film.  I don't think that he's
bad.  I think he's fantastic!  *is staying shut, as likes Daniel a lot, and
doesn't want to over gush about him**

<<Rupert. This is more Columbus's fault than Rupert's. Many people
commented on Rupert's "rubber face" abilities in the first film, and
Columbus relied on that aspect far too much in this one. The problem
is that Rupert's facial mimickry isn't *that* good: in this film, he
had two basic facial expressions: gormless and terrified. There was
little in between and very little subtelty. I think Columbus should
have spent more effort on getting Rupert to deliver his lines
properly (which he didn't, most of the time) rather than close in on
his face over and over again.>>

Again, I like Rupert, I like his acting, I like his facial expressions, and
I like everything about Ron that he brings to this film.

<<Richard Harris. He was visibly ill and haggard, and should not have
agreed to do this film. He looked uncomfortable and was completely
unconvincing. He did himself a major disservice by this being his
last appearance on screen; otherwise his last film would have
been "The Field", in which he is reputed to have been on top form
(I've not seen it yet).>>

He does look ill in this one.  I jave to say, though, that I think he was
much more 'Dumbledore' in this film.  I the first one, I felt that he lacked
a certain twinkle that I thought Dumbledore should have, and he had it in
this film.  Shame that he is no longer with us.

<<Tom Felton. For starters, his accent was all over the place.
Sometimes quite upper class, sometimes straight out of the bottom of
the Thames. YUK.>>

:-)  Funny.  Tom is fab.

<<Everyone introducing themselves. I appreciate that the team needed
to make quick introductions to the characters for the benefit of
viewers who may not have seen the first film, but I thought the
introductions were a bit heavy-handed. Example: the flying car is
outside Harry's window. Harry: "Ron, Fred, George! What are you
doing?"; Diagon Alley: "Hello Hagrid", "Hello Hermione", with the
names audibly underlined. Colin Creevey gets a single line in the
whole movie: "Hello, I'm Colin Creevey. I'm in Gryffindor too".>>

Yep, yep and yep.  Too 'first book'.  The Diagon Alley scene just made me
cringe because it just seemed so formal.  Hoping that they don't do it AGAIN
in the 3rd one.

<<Flying car sequence: too long. A more general comment: Columbus put
too much effort into making the set pieces the talk of the film and
some of them dragged on more than they should have. The car sequence
is one of these. The Whomping Willow didn;t convince me at all.>>

The Whomping Willow, I thought, was great.  I looked great, sounded great,
and I was convinced by it.  The tree was a little too high off the ground I
thought, but apart from that, I enjoyed that scene.

<<Hagrid being taken away and his return (see also above). Neither
scene had any emotional punch and we weren't made to feel that this
was a major bad experience.>>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Azkaban meant to be the place most feared
by all wizards and magickind?  So why didn't people seemed to be too
concerned that Hagrid was going there, but made a HUGE deal out of him
coming back?

<<Parseltongue. I knew from the hype that Dan was going to be
speaking it rather than English on screen. I didn't like the idea
before seeing the film, and I still don't. The film's dialogue makes
a direct reference to the first film's snake scene, during which
Harry spoke (and heard) English, so I simply couldn't work out why
this should change. Too big a deal of it was made during the Duelling
Club scene, the reaction shots were limp and unconvincing, and
considering its length, it took Snape *far* too long to do anything
about it. The audience would have shared Harry's (and everyone
else's) astonishment if the on-screen snake dialogue had been in
English.>>

OK, this is going to take some explaining of my opinion.  In the first film
when Harry is talking to the python, it's only him around, we only see it
from Harry's PoV, so we only hear it in English, because this is what Harry
hears.  Now in the second film, Harry is in a room full of people, who when
Harry is talking to the snake, they hear the Parsletongue.  I think it would
have been wrong to put it in English because all of the other people don't
hear it in English, so why should we?  If it was being done from Harry's
point of view, then by all means, put it in English, but we were being a
viewer of what he was doing, so we hear the Parseltongue.  Does that make
sense?

<<A FEW OTHER COMMENTS>>  As well as a few of mine.

<<Harry's "Sir" to Vernon after Dobby's first appearance. Sorry, it
just wouldn't happoen in England. What happened to the first movie's
respectful "Uncle Vernon"?>>

I'm English, always have been, always will be, and never have I called my
dad 'Sir', unless I was REALLY trying to piss him off!!  I feel I have to
talk about this point for a while.  Let me tell you a bit about where I live
and stuff (don't worry, it all has a point)  I live in Newcastle upon Tyne,
which is in the North East of England.  I'm privatly educated, and middle
class.  I have always respected my elders.  When I go to school (yes, I'm
still in school, I'm 17!) I call the teachers Mr Whoever, Mrs Whoever, Miss
Whoever.  I always have done.  This year, however, 3 girls from state
schools (comprehensive schools) joined, and they call the teachers, Sir and
Miss, regardless of who they are.  We all find this rather weird, and I'm
sure if we went into their schools and started calling them Mr, Mrs, Miss,
we would be thought of as strange.  But, if one of ANY of us called our
fathers or uncles Sir, we would be thought of as rude.  Saying all of that,
however, the 'Sir' line didn't really bother me at all.  IN fact, I didn't
even notice it until I read some of the messages on here!

<<Despite my reservations above about Dan's acting, I thought his
delivery of the "I'll be in my room [...] pretenting I don't exist"
line was done to perfection. Just the right hint of sarcasm, a little
glint in his eye, but on the surface, very respectful.>>

I loved this line!!!  Perfecto!!

<<Ginny's reference to "jumper" at The Burrow. The tittering in the
various audiences with which I saw the movie indicated where the
online fans were sitting, anticipating the US audiences' reaction. :-)>>

I just figured out what this comment was referring to!  As I'm British, I
was totally not fussed by the use of the word jumper, as I use it all the
time.  But I'm sure if I'd gone to see the film with an American, they would
have been slightly clueless!

<<Lucius ends the F&B confrontation with "see you at work" to Arthur.
I don't like the idea of Malfoy "working" at the Ministry, nor do I
like the implication that he can consider Arthur a "colleague" in any
way. This was mirrored by Draco's "see you at school" to the Trio
immediately afterwards, of course.>>

Does Lucius work at the Ministry?  I don't know what he does!!

<<Lucius putting the diary into Ginny's cauldron is very, very
obvious if you're looking out for it. But for first-time viewers,
it's imperceptible. VERY well done.>>

You know, I didn't even notice him out it in there!  I'm seeing it again
tonight, so I'm going to have to look out for it!  Nope, didn't see it!

<<I suspect this is going to be controversial: I didn't like the way
THE anagram was done. Yes, it was done *exactly* the way it was in
the book, in which it worked fine. But after Riddle's speech, writing
his name in the air takes too long. This was meant to be a major
climax, but it was deflated by the delay in getting the letters up.
If it had been down to me, I'd have had him point at the diary (or
rather, his embossed name thereon), and have those letters rearrange
themselves.>>

I didn't like the way he wrote it in the air.  I would have preferred the
book to rearrange the letters.  Didn't like it in the air.

<<I did, however, like Hermione & Ron telling Harry that hearing
voices is a BAD thing even in the wizarding world (and having it
confirmed by a picture on the wall). This made Harry's reluctance to
say anything about it much more believable.>>

I thought the picture saying it as well was funny!

<<No Dippett in the diary flashback, with the plot elements provided
by Dumbledore istead. I liked this, and in particular his "do you
have something you want to tell me?" and his dismissal of Tom
mirroring his dismissal of Harry.>>

Some people that I've talked to are a buit angry that there is no Dippett,
but I liked the fact that there wasn't.  I liked the Dumbledore/Tom
confrontation!!

<<I'm not 100% certain, but I think the guard at King's Cross was the
same guy from the first movie. Nice touch. :-)>>

It was!  Oh yey, someone else saw this!  I wasn't totally sure, but now I
am!  :-)

<<Harry's request to Dumbledore at the end of the movie "Can I have
that?" rather than the book's "Can I give that diary back to Mr
Malfoy, please?" is *so* much weaker. I did, however, prefer putting
the sock inside the diary rather than the other way around. However,
the sock was a little too clean. :-) (incidentally, nice bit of
foreshadowing: Dobby falls out of the wardrobe at the beginning of
the film with a dirty sock on his nose...).>>

THAT'S how it's done!  The diary in the sock!  I couldn't remember.  I liked
the sock in the diary though.  And a comment, Dobby in the wardrobe at the
start when Harry is talking to Uncle Vernon I thought was hilarious!  It
just kept opening!  ROTFL

<<The Howler. Whilst the animation was very good, the sequence
petered out, rather than ended with a (literal) bang, and I
particularly didn't like the Ginny congratulations tacked onto the
end.>>

I'd've preferred it if it had exploded at the end, and if they had totally
missed out the Ginny bit altogether.

<<The Weasley clock. Positions include "Dentist" and "Quidditch".
Very amusing. Note, however,we only see the top half of it up close.
Doubtless the production team thought that seeing the rest might be a
spoiler... :-)>>

Note also, how we don't see any Bill or Charlie on the clock....shame!  I
suppose to delay casting until the next film, as Alfonso Cuaron may want to
cast someone different to what Columbus would have casted.

I enjoyed this film a lot.  Aragog was terrifying, as were all of the little
spiders.  If you are afraid of them, beware, they are quite hairy and scary!
(lol, it rhymed!)

Love the film, and can't wait to see it again tonight!

Lauren :)




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Fri Nov 15 11:50:35 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:50:35 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: review....kinda
Message-ID: <17D483C2906@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

*twitch....twitch....twitch...*  

Can't speak in full sentences....

Loved it.

Quidditch wonderful.

Spiders...almost a bit sick from the scene.

Harry....Tom.....Malfoy's AWESOME 
ponytail......Harry....Harry....Tom....Harry

wibble

Must see this again and again.  Soon.  Now. Forget work.  
Work....bad.  Harry....good.

*falls into fetal position on the floor, humming Fawkes' 
theme*



Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an 
oncoming dragon.



From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 17:24:46 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:24:46 -0000
Subject: Washington Post/more questions (Long)
In-Reply-To: <ar2rll+b8vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar3aku+uo4d@eGroups.com>

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Since the thread has turned to discussion on Columbus (and to a 
certain degree, Kloves), this post will focus mostly on the two and 
won't touch much on acting/actors.

Having just watched the movie, I have to say that I am glad Columbus 
won't be doing the next one. It's not that CoS is so bad. It did 
improve from SS/PS, but it might have to do with the fact that CoS 
itself is a much more focused book than SS/PS. The kids are getting 
better. The music isn't deafening. The 160 minutes aren't so hard to 
sit through. Special effects are good. (So good that Columbus seems 
to be reluctant to use less of them.) And Kloves is more confident in 
cutting out some materials and blend a few scenes together to make it 
shorter. But it lacks the intensity and edge that PoA would need. 
That, I must say, is mostly the fault of K&C. 

Although the first part of CoS flows quickly and smoothly, after they 
got to Hogwarts, the story dragged. There are so many parts that 
could have been cut shorter in order to leave room for some little 
scenes that could have helped establish the characters/mood/story. 
The Quidditch is exciting. But after Harry and Draco spent such a 
long time chasing after each other (and being chased by the bluger), 
it gets boring and pointless. The Mandrake IS important (much like 
the bluger). But does the scene has to be so long? If you cut bits 
and pieces here and there, there would be enough time to add scenes 
showing those students' fear or the trio trying to figure out who 
Riddle was and still keep the movie under 150 minutes.

Columbus said that it's a scarier movie. Scarier maybe. But not much 
darker as he claimed. It can be scary if that means having giant 
spiders and snake chasing people around. I, however, did not find 
that very scary. The two major action sequences other than the 
Quidditch game dragged so long that I began to wonder whether or not 
the point of these scenes is to show off the nice work done by the 
art and special effect department. At times they even feel like 
crappy horror films. And I actually laughed during the chamber scene 
when Harry runs into the tunnels. Is this Les Miserables?

Because there is so little emphasis on the fear and terror in 
Hogwarts, we really don't get the feeling that there is something 
lurking. Moreover, in the book, it's clear that everyone is more or 
less "trapped" inside Horwarts, making it even more frightening. But 
with so many nice panoromic shots of Hogwarts (how many times have we 
seen a scene begin with a long shot panning down slowly?), it looks 
like an open space with easy way out.

Since Columbus gave equal weight to every scene, it is unfocused. 
When the main story line is not established clearly, it takes away 
the intensity. When the story dragged, it gets even more 
disconnected. At the end, CoS is, again, a collection of set pieces 
without a story.

Another problem I have is with characterization. I am not sure how 
much of it is because of Kloves and how much is Columbus. What I know 
is that the kids' acting in general didn't bother me much. 

Harry seems too brave and too calm. Especially in the forbidden 
forest and in the chamber, he's so calm and so heroic that I had 
trouble believing he's a 12-year-old kid. I know Harry is special. 
But I loath the idea of making him a Hollywood hero. 

Ron, on the other hand, is scripted to be nothing more than  a comic 
relief. I have major problem with that. Ron's brave. And he's smart, 
too. But half of the movie, he's just scared. It not only wasted a 
good character but a promising young actor. Rupert did well where he 
did not have to act scared or try to be too funny. (Note the way the 
Weasly brothers interact at home and his anger towards Lockhart when 
L tried to escape Hogwarts. It's very natural and believable.) 
However, Columbus used his "rubber face" too much and Rupert ended up 
making faces most of the time. Somehow that became hard to watch 
simply because he did not have to act that way. 

Ron's little sister is also problematic. Her reaction after waking up 
in the chamber just baffled me. Why's she so calm? (And that 
dialogue. Urrrr!) In fact, the whole scene in the chamber didn't make 
much sense to me. They seriously needed an action director (besides a 
different writer). 

When Harry got back from the tunnels (or whatever those are), he went 
directly to Ginny and kneeled by her. Just when I thought he was 
going to drag Ginny out of there (which should be the first thing 
anyone would do), he didn't. Instead, he and TR started some lengthy 
conversation. If that's not odd enough, Harry then ran himself onto 
the statue when Basilisk came back. There's so much space in the 
chamber, why did he choose the most difficult path? During the whole 
time, I kept asking why. Why there? Why did he do that? But the 
hardest thing to understand is that Harry deliberatedly stab the 
diary with that fang (for three times) as if he knew clearly how to 
kill TR. Yes. Once again, Harry intentionally killed someone. (Even 
though, technically, TR isn't a really person.) Exactly how many 
people do they want Harry to kill before he reaches legal age?

The ending has been critisized by many so I won't go there. That's 
just another part that could have been cut much shorter. And the 
hug/non-hug really didn't have to be there. There's little to no hint 
of Ron and Herm's relation or feelings towards each other throughout 
the movie. So the non-hug only seemed abrupt. I can care less about 
who is going to be with whom. But if they had to add that scene, they 
should've at least shown us something about Ron and Herm (such as 
Ron's disaproval of Herm's crush on Lockhart) early on.

Of all the books, I'd think CoS is the easiest one to adapt. It's 
more focused and shorter. But K&C didn't deliver this time. The movie 
isn't all bad. It just didn't do the book (and the characters) 
justice. Thankfully, a different director may bring more sparks and 
edge to PoA. Now if only they can get another script writer....




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Fri Nov 15 20:57:44 2002
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:57:44 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Washington Post/more questions (MAJOR spoilers!)
Message-ID: <19a.bb66d44.2b06b9c8@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/15/02 8:12:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
plumeski at yahoo.com writes:

> Richelle Votaw wrote:
> 
> 
> >I have watched
> >PS/SS with various friends and relatives.  And every one of them 
> >was left with a "huh?" after the movie.  Each time I spent a good 
> >twenty minutes giving a brief review of the facts and filling in 
> >the missing details.
> 
> I was left with only one "huh?" after PS/SS, which was: why on earth 
> does Snape despise Harry? I bought the book on the way home from the 
> cinema to answer that question, and absolutely couldn't understand 
> why the screenplay didn't address it in the obviously incomplete way 
> the book did. It needed ONE sentence from Dumbledore in the hospital 
> scene.


  well why Snape hates Harry or loathes him.  Is here is a son of another 
student who want to this school and Snape has to keep secret that Harry's dad 
almost killed him by playing a joke on Snape

> 
> Sure, the book fills in loads of other details, but the film is 
> comprehensible on its own terms without them. Furthermore, PS/SS is 
> clearly setting up the foundations for the series as a whole, and 
> thus its more anecdotal rather than narrative-driven plot is 
> excusable. CoS (the book) had a tight narrative but the film has been 
> reduced to a series of major set pieces, each of which (as many 
> reviews have pointed out) are given equal importance.
> 
> I therefore defend his complaints about the Whomping Willow scene 
> (for instance) not on the basis that the tree is itself unimportant 
> (which we know is not the case), but it is given an importance in 
> *this* film which it does not warrant. The Willow gets more screen 
> time than Colin, for instance, which is frankly wrong.


Well I do agree we needed more time to get to know Colin, Justin, Penalope 
but I still loved every scene.  Even if it was scenes I had already seen 

> 
> Many reviews I've seen have used terms like "boring", "plodding" 
> or "pedestrian pacing" to describe CoS; Columbus (and Kloves) divide 
> it (as they did PS/SS) into a series of four minute sequences and it 
> is this insistence on surface balance which ultimately makes the film 
> structurally *un*balanced. They have some kind of checklist of 
> elements from the book which need to be covered, and give each of 
> them its own sequence, instead of intertwining the various threads to 
> create a coherent whole. Some elements are thus rushed, and some are 
> slowed down or enlarged to give them their statutory screen time. 
> 
> It's film-making by numbers which is unsatifying and, frankly, 
> patronising. In one of his interviews, Daniel came out with that word 
> to describe most kids' films, in the context that most kids' live 
> action films refuse to address "darkness". Yes, Columbus and Kloves 
> didn't shy away from covering some of the more difficult elements of 
> the storyline, but ultimately this is just reduced to a romp through 
> a series of adventures rather than an attempt to correlate, for 
> instance, Draco's behaviour to that of Riddle.


It was darker but again the market is for kids now maybe it will change when 
the Prisoner of Azkaban comes out lets hope so

> 
> Another of my pet bugs is the duelling club scene - whilst visually 
> entertaining for the kids, all they do is toss each other twenty feet 
> into the air; it seems as if there's no difference between the 
> various incantations. In particular, the "expelliarmus" doesn't 
> actually cause Lockhart and his wand to part company! 
> 
> ><snip>
> <Colin's role> 
> 
> >I must say that will be a disappointment to me as well.  The little
> >fellow they had playing Colin was so utterly cute.  Maybe he can't 
> >act worth anything, I don't know, but he sure is cute.


I do agree he should of had more screen time and the others as well.  But I 
did like it that Colin did get to take a fast action picture of Harry when he 
was playing quitditch

> 
> Yes, he's cute (he's also quite tiny). :-) I suspect that his role 
> wasn't reduced because of any deficiencies on his part, but was 
> written that way from the start.
> 
> In fact, his whole "motivation" has been changed: Film-Colin's role 
> isn't to follow Harry around and pester him, but to be a kind of mini-
> papparazzo, getting under everyone's feet. There are a few instances 
> in which he puts his camera to his face to take pictures, but is 
> stopped by the hand of people considerably taller than him (whose 
> faces we don't see and thus can't identify them). 
> 
> >I think my point is that the movies are made based on a premise
> >that 95% of people seeing them will have read the books.  The other 
> >5%, oh, well, that's their mistake.
> 
> Clearly, that is the case. However, it is a very, very shaky premise 
> on which to base a movie, and considering most (adult) film critics 
> will not have read the books, it is little wonder that critics might 
> not like it. The fact that the audience may not have read the books 
> is absolutely no defence for the film-makers being sloppy and unable 
> to tell a story.
> 
> >>SP
> >>OI
> >>LE
> >>R
> >>SP
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> >>E
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> >>SP
> >>OI
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> >>Harry tells her to "get yourself out" (repeat of line from PS/SS).
> >
> >I'm going to be an idiot again (hey, no comments!) and ask, where
> >is that line in PS/SS?  I watched it again Monday night and didn't 
> >catch it.  I *thought* it was after the chess scene, but Harry said 
> >something like "Take Ron and get out, send an owl, etc."  I think.  
> >Or is the repetition just similar, not exact?  
> 
> My fault. I had mis-remembered the line from the first movie (yes, I 
> was thinking about the post-chess scene too). 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >In the hospital wing when Dobby comes to talk to Harry, what 
> >exactly wakes him up?  I mean, in the book it's Dobby sponging 
> >Harry's face.  I can't quite see them doing that in the movie, 
> >though.  
> 
> He's woken up by The Voices (although it's unsure whether he's 
> hearing them or dreaming). It's done quite amusingly, because he 
> weakes up, looks around and is interrupted by Dobby saying "hello". 
> The jolt from the tone of the voices to his jovial welcome is one of 
> the things done well. Returning to the more general comments above, 
> what's REALLY infuriating about this film is that each individual 
> scene is very well structured. It's putting them together that causes 
> the problem.
> 
> >What about Colin?  He does actually get petrified, right?  
> 
> Of course. 
> 
> >Do they bring him to the hospital wing while Harry's in there like 
> >in the book?
> 
> Yes. His arrival is what causes Dobby to disappear. He's frozen with 
> the camera at his face, which was yet another nice touch. We get a 
> closeup of his face underneath, which is just the way I imagined it



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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 15 21:47:29 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:47:29 -0000
Subject: Whomping Willow!
Message-ID: <ar3q1h+q7n9@eGroups.com>

OMG

I loved it!

There is NOTHING akin to that Whomping Willow.  And when the car 
ejects Harry, Ron and Hedwig...oh!  It was brilliant.  

I also loved the fact that there were only 4 people in the theatre, 
including myself and my daughter.  She's three and she wasn't scared 
at all by the spiders, but the basilisk did frighten her a little.  
I didn't get to see the credits at the end, as I was flying out the 
door to pick up my three boys from school, but I am going back 
tonight and I will stay as LOOOOONG as I want.

Just wanted to say how wonderful the movie was.

Cheers!

Alora




From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 15 21:49:05 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:49:05 +0000
Subject: CoS - My Take
Message-ID: <F155z8kI063RA5C2dui00005ce4@hotmail.com>



Okay, I just literally came home from the theatre and turned my computer on. 
  I've read what's in my Inbox, whatever Movie Reviews were there, but I'm 
not really hip to go back and read them all.  But I did just want to give my 
thoughts:

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The thing that we all have to remember here, I think, is that this movie is 
primarily targeted for kiddies, not HP4G members who know these books 
backwards forwards inside and out.  The acting is for kiddies.  Ron's stupid 
facial expressions are for kiddies.  The long scene in the flying car is for 
kiddies...etc.

Now if one of us were going to do this film, it would be more subtle, more 
dramatic.

I was particularly disappointed with Snape in the movie.  I felt that 
Rickman was directed incorrectly for the character...in the film, Snape came 
across as somebody different as portrayed in the books.  Should have been a 
whole lot nastier.  But like I said, the movie's for kiddies...

I was also a bit disappointed that they'd cut out the Lockhart's Quiz scene, 
especially after we'd been "promised" that it would be in there since we'd 
seen pictures of it at the Leaky Cauldron and such.

Frankly, my imagination was much better...I'm sorry.  I wish it was 
otherwise.   It was nice eye candy, though.

-Gail B. who's going to read CoS tonight, envisioning the actors and scenery 
from the movie playing to the script of her imagination.

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From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Fri Nov 15 23:03:15 2002
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:03:15 -0000
Subject: just saw the movie
Message-ID: <ar3ufj+tu9g@eGroups.com>

Well, we were lucky enough to go and see it in a practically empty 
theatre..tomorrow we go again with my five year old....

*Well, I have to say that it was disappointing. It lacked heart, or 
spirit, or much excitement, actually...I agree that it seemed like 
intact sequences spliced together. Once again, they left out humorous 
lines from the film, and put in lines that were not so humorous. Poor 
Rupert was used very badly....since some of these actors are 
wonderful, I have to blame the script writer, and director...They 
seemed to have excised strong emotion from the film.
S
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JKR has Mrs. Weasley acting like a small sabre toothed tiger when she 
confronts the boys about taking the Anglia...she was barely an 
annoyed cat in the movie....the Howler was so so....why not let 
Arthur sock Lucius? Or at least say SOMEthing....The end WAS 
dreadful...Ron was made to seem semi-hysterical throughout..

I mostly enjoyed "seeing how things look". Dobby was well done; 
Lucius' cloak was lovely -- I liked his hair tied back. I loved the 
Burrow, and would have liked to have seen more. Tom Riddle was well 
done, but Harry's acting really limped in that scene. I didn't notice 
Harry's voice change that much, but those with me did. The one who 
grew the most was Tom Felton.....quite a good looking young man.
It was fun watching Ron turn Scabbers into a goblet with a rat's tail.

I agree (with someone) that Lockhart painting Lockhart in the 
painting was great, but why not pictures of him with his hair in 
curlers (did I miss it?). Percy and Penelope ARE seen twice. I 
thought Alan Rickman did get more air time. I don't think Richard 
Harris was much improved from PS/SS, but I was very sad to see him on 
screen. 

MANY thanks to those who gave me the hint to stay until the very end, 
although I think that it was not that funny...

Oh well, back to waiting for the book. Let's see what my five year 
old thinks.

Susan McGee




From deidre at panix.com  Fri Nov 15 22:36:58 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:36:58 -0500
Subject: Sorta Spoilers: Review from tvguide site
In-Reply-To: <1036930618.558.29916.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021115173558.042d1970@pop.panix.com>

I'm just posting the link for this:

http://tvguide.com/movies/database/ShowMovie.asp?MI=43506




From CMeehan1 at aol.com  Sat Nov 16 01:45:22 2002
From: CMeehan1 at aol.com (CMeehan1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:45:22 EST
Subject: Yes! Yes! Yes!
Message-ID: <53.1f51b4d5.2b06fd32@aol.com>

I can't believe all you naysayers!  I thought the movie was AWESOME !  For me 
it is a great companion to the COS book.  

Great:    Kenneth Brannagh, Jason Isaacs, all the special effects, and YES I 
do think Daniel Radcliffe was GREAT!  He is confident, poised, and I think 
carries the movie very well.

Good:    Grint, Watson, Myrtle

Bad:      I wish they had given more screen time to Ginny Weasley & Snape

C'mon everyone - don't get so hung up on the minute details - enjoy it!

Caroline


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From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 02:05:04 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:05:04 -0000
Subject: CoS - My Take (spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <F155z8kI063RA5C2dui00005ce4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <ar494g+ufi5@eGroups.com>

> The thing that we all have to remember here, I think, is that this 
movie is 
> primarily targeted for kiddies, not HP4G members who know these 
books 
> backwards forwards inside and out.  The acting is for kiddies.  
Ron's stupid 
> facial expressions are for kiddies.  The long scene in the flying 
car is for 
> kiddies...etc.

It's understandable that the first two movies are targeted for 
kiddies. (The 10-yr-old boy sitting next to me fell asleep by the 
time they got to the forbidden forest, though.) But the danger of 
marketing it primarily towards kiddies is that they risk the 
possibility of turning away older audience.As the later books get 
darker and darker, HP movies would need to become more like 
action/adventure movies. I wonder how they are going to convince 
adults and teens (that is, the general movie-going public) to come 
see them once HP movies have been established as kid's films. 

Oh, I forgot. The boys are cute and Emma's getting prettier and 
prettier. Sooner or later we'll have a HP boy band out there. So 
maybe they can still attract teenagers. Make it into another 10 
Things I Hate About You.... 
 
> I was particularly disappointed with Snape in the movie.  I felt 
that 
> Rickman was directed incorrectly for the character...in the film, 
Snape came 
> across as somebody different as portrayed in the books.  Should 
have been a 
> whole lot nastier.  

I am disappointed at Snape, too. It's OK he doesn't get much screen 
time. Snape is not a major player in CoS anyway. But the Snape in CoS 
is much more, should I say, cartoonish than the Snape in SS/PS. I had 
trouble believing that they're the same person. Now it can't be 
Rickman's fault. So I blame it on the director.

> -Gail B. who's going to read CoS tonight, envisioning the actors 
and scenery 
> from the movie playing to the script of her imagination.

That's a good idea! I want to see Branagh & Rupert act out the scene 
outside the chamber after Harry rescued Ginny. Branagh/Lockhart 
losing his mind is too funny to miss.

Speaking of Branagh, I can't think of a better person to be Lockhart. 
Yes. He's a little too old. But he balances the delicate line between 
being cartoonish and being believable so well you just have to think 
he's Lockhart himself.

The adult actors in CoS are all very well-casted. Loved Branagh. 
Loved Issacs even more. The voice. The eyes. The way he touches 
people/things with his cane instead of his hand. Brilliant! Coulson 
and Herderson are both good, too. The Weaslies look like they've been 
husband and wife forever. 

So far, the casting department has done better than I could expect. 
(And I love the opportunity to get to see some fine British actors.)
Hopefully they'd keep it up in PoA. 

-VJH




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 02:09:54 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:09:54 -0000
Subject: Just Saw it. It was bad(? or !)
Message-ID: <ar49di+82c7@eGroups.com>

I just returned from the late afternoon matinee (only $5.00).

No serious spoilers here. I really don't talk about the details of the
move; all generalizations.

First I have to respond to the movie complainers.... oh no wait,
that's movie critics.

Of course, the movie had it's failing in that they tried to condense
hours and hours and hours of reading into minutes of movie. The plot
moves fast and if you've read the books then the plot leaps are huge. 

BUT NONE THE LESS, the movie does hold together on it own merit.

I think we see this massive plot compression because some executive at
WB, an executive who see all his movie in a private suite rather than
in a theater with REAL people, decided that mere mortals and
substantial idiots like ourselves and our children are so hopelessly
addled that we couldn't possibly sit through a movie longer than the
standard 2 hours and 30 minutes, or in this case 2hrs 40 minutes. 

We have to remember that a few minutes of real 'clock' time equal
hours of movie/plot time. If they had had the good sense to stretch
both of the movies to 3 hrs, there would have been plenty of time to
include a more well developed plot. Although, I still say the movie
stands nicely on it's own merits. I suspect most of what was needed to
fill out the movie was actually filmed, but it was all lost in the
effort to compress the movie into your standard 2hrs 30 minutes. A sad
waste of good talent.

Now to my experience at the movie. I can tell you this with all
truthfulness-

I laugh. (Many times.)
I cried. (only once but I got misty a couple of times)
My heart pounded.
My heart ached.
I was thrilled more than once.
I was spellbound.

-Mr. Weasley was perfect.
-The howler needed to be louder, but was substantially better than
what was seen in the trailers.
-The spiders were too small, but the spider scene in the movie was
better than I expected. (another heart pounder)
-The Whomping Willow was better than the trailers made it appear. I
though it was a bit whimpy in the trailers, but in the movie, it was
nasty.
-Quidditch - another heart pounder, 'nuff said.
-I was set not to like Dobby. Doesn't match my image at all. Where is
his butt? Don't elves have butts? My previous impression was that they
turned a house-elf into a cartoon English butler. However, even
starting with that impression, I still liked Dobby. He was endearing.
-The scenery in England/UK was beautiful; spectacular.
-Lucius Malfoy was nasty. He's not a nice person at all. Deliciously evil.

If the movie was truly lacking in any way, it could have never had the
emotional impact that it did. To be emotionally moved when I already
know what is going to happen it a tribute to the actors.

One last comment and then I'm gone. This is again related to the
length of the movie.

I was at the matinee, so there were a lot of kids there. Although, it
wasn't crowded. One reason I go to the matinee is because I hate being
in crowds; too much stress. So, while we were waiting for the movie to
start, these kids are making noise, talking loud, laughing loud, and
doing all the annoying things that kids do. But I can tell you that
once the movie started they sat spellbound, completely enraptured by
the movie. Not a sound, other than applause and cheers at the
appropriate points. When it was over, may of them stood up and
applauded at the end.

There wasn't a single kid there who wouldn't have loved another 20
minutes of this movie. 

WB executives, are you listening?

To people who have taken the time to come here and read this, you are
going to love it.

Just a few thoughts.

boy_mn









From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 02:30:09 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 02:30:09 -0000
Subject: Just Saw it. It was bad(? or !)
In-Reply-To: <ar49di+82c7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar4ajh+d6r8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> I just returned from the late afternoon matinee (only $5.00).
> 
> No serious spoilers here. I really don't talk about the details of 
the
> move; all generalizations.
> 
> First I have to respond to the movie complainers.... oh no wait,
> that's movie critics.
> 
> Of course, the movie had it's failing in that they tried to condense
> hours and hours and hours of reading into minutes of movie. The plot
> moves fast and if you've read the books then the plot leaps are 
huge. 
> 
> BUT NONE THE LESS, the movie does hold together on it own merit.
> 
> I think we see this massive plot compression because some executive 
at
> WB, an executive who see all his movie in a private suite rather 
than
> in a theater with REAL people, decided that mere mortals and
> substantial idiots like ourselves and our children are so hopelessly
> addled that we couldn't possibly sit through a movie longer than the
> standard 2 hours and 30 minutes, or in this case 2hrs 40 minutes. 
> 

Steve,

Just a quick note to clarify some points. It's not the length of the 
movie that bothered me (and some others). The problem is, longer 
isn't better. There're ways of compressing the plots into the same 
160-minute movie without making it seem disconnected. Not being able 
to do it shows the short-comings of Columbus & Co. But instead of 
finding ways to compress the storyline and make it accessible to 
those who havn't read the books, they simply use the length as an 
excuse. I'd watch a 4-hour movie if things are done well. But with 
this script and Columbus' direction, I'd say 140-150 minutes are well 
enough to fit everything (and more) in.

VJH




From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 03:06:24 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:06:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I can't believe it's out! (COS SPOILER)
In-Reply-To: <ar31c4+rsbi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021116030624.91361.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>

I just got in from seeing Harry Potter & The Chamber of Secrets (twice
*cough*) and WOW!!  It was <i>wonderful</i>!!  Just fabulous.  I was blown
away, and my expectations were pretty high after the wonderful first film.
 So, what follows is my accounts of the movie, taken from my memories and
the few notes I managed to scribble down in my notebook between filmings. 
Mostly diconnected ramblings of what I liked/didn't, though I've tried to
get it into some semblance of order. :)


SP
OI
LE
RS

You

Have

Been

Warned! ;)
The film starts with a panorama of Little Whinging, where every house
looks exactly the same, stacked right up next to each other in a true
example of British suburbia where everyone wants to be just like everyone
else, except maybe just a little bit better.  We look in the window of one
house and see Harry flipping through a book.  He has a sad little smile on
his face as he sees pictures of his parents ? from the album Hagrid gave
him at the end of last movie ? and him with his friends.  I think this was
a wonderful way to open the movie.  Very poignant.  It switches straight
into a quick explanation that he's not allowed to use magic or his owl,
then he's getting yelled at downstairs by his aunt and uncle as they
prepare for a big dinner party.  I think Harry's facial and vocal
expression when he says, "I'll be in my room, making no noise and
pretending I don't exist," was just perfect, as was the way the Dursleys
all pulled together in a united front in front of the magic freak.  BTW,
the dessert Petunia made was absolutely <i>perfect</i>!  It was JUST the
kind of pretentious, overly-ambitious dessert I could see her making.

Then we get to meet Dobby the house elf.  A quick word about Harry's room
? what was with all the Hogwarts paraphenalia scattered around?  His
Quidditch robes were in the wardrobe, there was a Gryffindor badge and a
drawing of an owl on the door, a school tie draped across the bulletin
board, and magical texts scattered around.  It didn't look at all like
Dudley's spare bedroom, and takes something away from Harry only being
allowed his stuff when he threatens the Dursleys with his ex-con
godfather.  Anyway, despite some reservations when I first saw the CGI, I
have to admit that Dobby's grown on me.  He came across much more
endearingly than I thought he would've from the commercials.

Next, the big Weasley rescue scene!  Vernon falling right out of the
window was a cute touch, though I still wish Harry'd called out the
window, "See you next summer!" like in the book.  The Burrow looked JUST
like I pictured it would, all ramshackle and barely held together.  It
clearly was in the middle of nowhere, though, not near a village.  We got
to see both the Weasley family clocks, personal favorites of mine.  The
task clock was hanging over the door where they came in, and we got to see
a nice close-up of the tracking clock.  Pictures on the hands instead of
names was a nice addition, especially the looks on the boys' faces! *g*
(Although shouldn't Molly, Ginny, and Percy's hands also have been at
"home"?)  I loved the boys nicking food off the table ("Mum'll never
know"), then trying to hide them when Molly comes storming in.  Molly was
cute, switching back and forth between screaming at her sons and welcoming
Harry (later echoed in the Howler, which I thought was hysterical!). 
Ginny's reaction when she finally noticed Harry sitting there was SO cute
and SO 11 year old girl with a crush. *g*  Arthur also amused me, from his
surprise at seeing Harry to his reaction to hearing the boys flew the car.
 I didn't think his looks were quite right, but his reactions were
spot-on.

All the Weasleys arrayed in their cloacks in front of the fire was a nice
contrast to the Muggle life Harry just left behind.  I still don't see why
Harry mispronounced Diagon Alley, since he'd <i>just</i> heard Ron say it
quite clearly, and I missed the Malfoys at Borkin's shop.  The echo back
to Hermione's first meeting with Harry and subsequent repair of his
glasses was quite cute as well.  I laughed when Molly swatted Ron when he
said she fancied Lockhart, very adorable.  In fact, the little swoonings
of all available women whenever Lockhart was around throughout the movie
was perfect. (The girls fighting over his cape at the dueling club, lol!) 
Something seemed just a little off about Draco when he came on the screen.
 I think that the problem is he got a little taller and his voice changed,
but his FACE didn't.  So it looks like a baby-face Draco with a grown-up
voice.  Very odd.  

I think I could devote an entire post to Lucius.  He was just so
delightfully <i>evil</i>!  Sent shivers down my spine every time he was on
screen.  I think that Lucius is one of the important things from COS that
will be playing a role in later books.  He was mentioned so many times in
the book ? "Is that Lucius Malfoy's son?" ? and played such a delicious
role in the film.  "Play nicely, Draco."  Mmm.

Weasleys at the train station.  Everyone running through the barrier so
casually was great, as was the spectacular crash into the wall by Harry
and Ron.  Ron's rationale for taking the car was <i>almost</i> reasoned ?
if they couldn't get in, the others probably couldn't get out either.  And
Harry's tense little, "Most Muggles aren't used to seeing a flying car,"
was perfect.  Those boys really are a great comedy team, with Harry as the
classic straight man.   The flying car scene was very fun, even though I'd
managed to see the whole thing in clips and previews anyway.  I didn't
really care for the appearance of the Whomping Willow ? didn't look much
like a willow, did it?  But the car flipping out and deciding to dump them
then and there was great.  I also liked the little nod to thinking within
the story instead of just the scenes by showing Harry and Ron dumping
their things in a hallways with everyone else's things.  The perfect nod
to nitpickers like me. *g*

I'm not sure what it was, but something about Snape kept throwing me off
in his office.  His face just looked...odd.  Dunno.  But his office was
just perfect, exactly how I'd expect it to look.  Dumbledore's office was
the same, when we got there.  Potions or gadgets, the office clearly
reflects the man. *g*  Assignment of detentions and then we move to the
greenhouses.  I loved the look of the Mandrakes, though I didn't care for
them in the clips I saw.  I wonder if there was some sort of special charm
on the earmuffs to block out the Mandrakes' cries but let them hear
Sprout, since she kept <i>talking</i> to the students after they were on! 
Draco thinking the Mandrake was cute and tickling it was just adorable,
since that's just the sort of thing I can picture a Malfoy keeping around
the grounds.  It biting his finger and Sprout's off-handed, "Oh well, just
leave him there," when Neville passed out was the perfect way to end the
scene.

Lockhart's first lesson was exactly as I imagined it.  All his photos were
SO much more hysterical in visual than when I just read them, especially
the broom one Lockhart signed during detention!  My favorite little touch
was Lockhart's little interplay with his own portrait ? hysterical!  I
<i>loved</i> Neville's pathetic comment at the end, "Why is it always me?"
was SO cute!  A few remarks about the Mudblood comment ? I don't think
everyone at the time looked upset enough about it, so Ron pulling out his
wand was a little odd.  But the explanation of it later at Hagrid's was
great.  I think it was very plausible that Hermione would've heard that
word at some point as a Muggleborn and it was clearly very hurtful to her.
 It showed a much more human side to her, pairing off with her know-it-all
tendencies.  Oh, and the slugs were <i>gross</i>! :)

How can I sum up the wonders of the Dueling Club? *sigh* It was
<i>fabulous</i>, from Lockhart's fencing costume to Snape's sour
please-lightning-strike-me-now expression as he joined Lockhart on stage. 
I'm glad that they kept the "we'll be sending him up to hospital wing in a
matchbox" comment, even if it was switched to Harry and Ron from Seamus
and Neville, but I missed "let's split up the Dream Team."  I have to say,
Harry's first demonstration of Parseltongue was really great.  It was
eerie and it really made me see how everyone could believe Harry was
egging the snake on.

The Polyjuice scene was all very cute.  Myrtle looked a little too nice,
IMO, and her voice was just ODD.  Her developing crush on Harry was
adorable, though.  The kids playing Crabbe and Goyle did a really good
job.  The Slytherin common room looked surprisingly cozy ? I WANT one of
those chairs!  Harry's unthinking defense of Dumbledore was a nice
precursor to the loyalty he shows in the Chamber.  He managed to cover it
up, at least.  Harry Potter's worse than Dumbledore, indeed! *g*  As a
side note, Draco randomly stealing someone else's present lying around was
<i>too</i> cute for words.

Well, we didn't get to keep Gred and Forge's "Make way for the Heir of
Slytherin!  Seriously evil wizard coming through!", but we got "Yeah, the
Hufflepuffs are all afraid Harry'll Petrify them if they fly too close to
him!"  Good enough for me. :)  Harry and Ron's expressions when they saw
Hermione were really heartbreaking.  I loved it when they acknowledged at
the end that they really needed Hermione to help solve things.  Very nice.
 They go promptly to Hagrid's, of course, and wind up hiding under the
Invisibilty Cloak while Fudge shows up.  I missed the lime green bowler
hat, but you can't have everything.  It was terribly amusing the way both
Dumbledore and Hagrid gave their messages to the boys.  Ron: "Why does it
have to be spiders?  Why can't it be 'follow the butterflies'?"  I HOWLED!

I think the Acromantula scene was even scarier than the Chamber itself,
personally.  Poor Ron.  He really showed his Gryffindor bravery by
following Harry in there, constantly complaining or not.  Harry's forced
politeness when he's trying to end the conversation with Aragog was cute. 
I liked the way they compressed Harry & Ron's whole revelation about
Myrtle and seeking McGonnagal ? saved time without sacrificing anything
important.  Although they moved it out of the staffroom, Snape still got
to take down Lockhart!  Woohoo!  Poor Ron's expression when he heard it
was Ginny who disappeared. *sniff*

Everything heading down to the Chamber was <i>exactly</i> like I pictured,
down to Lockhart's memory loss.  I cracked up when Ron casually clocked
him on the head with a rock again. :)  I must say that Tom Riddle was
absolutely...chilling.  He was such the perfect prefect in the diary
flashback, then just went eeeeeeeevil in the Chamber.  Brr.  His delivery
of the "Voldemort is my past, present, and future" was delicious, and I
have to disagree with the critic who said his spelling out the name
dragged out the scene badly.  I think it just built up anticipation and
made it better.  The extended battle with the basilisk was very well-done,
though I think they could have played up Harry's near death from the
basilisk poison, but oh well.  Fawkes flying them all out was also
hysterical.

This is, um, exceptionally long, so I'll just stop with another mini-rave
about Lucius.  He was so chilling when he met up with Harry and Dumbledore
again.  I liked that Harry <i>hid</i> the sock in the diary so it was even
sneakier to free Dobby.  I'm of two minds about Lucius' threat at the end
? he started to cast "Avada Kedavra" on Harry!  On the one hand, it shows
just how ruthless he is.  On the other hand, Lucius has always been a more
calculating villain than that.  He warned Draco that it wouldn't be
prudent to appear less than fond of Harry Potter, so I don't see him being
so overt. 

Anyway, I thought it was great.  I'll just hush now.  More raving to come
later. *g*


Andrea


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From lanski01 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 03:42:06 2002
From: lanski01 at yahoo.com (lanski01)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 03:42:06 -0000
Subject: CoS Review & note to parents
Message-ID: <ar4eqe+uk8s@eGroups.com>

Just saw movie with my four year old and a half filled theater. 
My son loved the first movie, only saw it on DVD so I was worried 
about the big screen and the fact that it is darker and scarier. I 
was prepared to leave the theater if necessary.
 
However, the scene that freaked him out was when Ron spit out the 
slugs! He loved the Spiders and Aragog (his favorite) and was 
completely unfazed by the Chamber scenes. We did prepare him by 
telling him they were all puppets and none of it was real. He also 
knew the storyline and it not generally afraid of much. On the way 
home said he wanted to go again!

If you plan on taking young children, make sure you prepare them. 
There were other children about that age, but they were all entranced 
the entire time. If you are unsure, see it yourself first, or wait 
until the DVD comes out and fast forward the scary scenes.


Some general observations and a few... 

s

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e

r

s

Weaknesses:

Needed more of Ginny - If I hadn't read book, I would have never 
known her connection with Riddle, Harry and the diary. I wanted to 
see the Valentine Scene!

What was the point of the Floo Powder Scene if they were going to 
leave out Harry listening in on Draco and Lucius in Knockturn Ally?

They made Hermione too smart, Harry too brave on Ron not enough of 
either! ie: Hermione didn't know what a mudbood was in the book.

The nuances, humor and details that JKR puts in her writing that make
The stories so wonderful are missing from the movies. However that 
can be said about most movies made from books.

What was up with the ending...Yuck!

Strengths:

Jason Issacs! 
Christian Coulson! 
Jason Issacs! 
Kenneth Branagh!
Jason Issacs!

The trio's acting greatly improved.

Moaning Myrtle was perfect!

Loved the Burrow scenes, but there should have been more.
ie; de-gnoming the garden

Visually it was perfect!

The Ford Anglia was cool.

Overall it was enjoyable and the time went by quickly. 

Note to Hollywood - Substance over Style when you adapt books. If 
it's too long, plan an intermission. You'll sell more snacks!






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 03:44:50 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 03:44:50 -0000
Subject: Just Saw it. It was bad(? or !)
In-Reply-To: <ar4ajh+d6r8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar4evi+rhev@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "vincentjh" <vincentjh at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > I just returned from the late afternoon matinee (only $5.00).
> > 
> > No serious spoilers here. I really don't talk about the details 
> >of the move; all generalizations.
> > 
> > First I have to respond to the movie complainers.... oh no wait,
> > that's movie critics.
> > 
> > Of course, the movie had it's failing in that they tried to 
> > condense hours and hours and hours of reading into minutes of 
> > movie. The plot moves fast and if you've read the books then the 
> > plot leaps are  huge. 
> > 
> > BUT NONE THE LESS, the movie does hold together on it own merit.
> > 
> > ...edited...
> 
> Steve,

VJH responds with:
> 
> Just a quick note to clarify some points. It's not the length of the 
> movie that bothered me (and some others). The problem is, longer 
> isn't better. There're ways of compressing the plots into the same 
> 160-minute movie without making it seem disconnected. Not being able 
> to do it shows the short-comings of Columbus & Co. But instead of 
> finding ways to compress the storyline and make it accessible to 
> those who havn't read the books, they simply use the length as an 
> excuse. I'd watch a 4-hour movie if things are done well. But with 
> this script and Columbus' direction, I'd say 140-150 minutes are well 
> enough to fit everything (and more) in.
> 
> VJH

A fixed block of movie time is like a glass full of water, you can't
put more in unless some of what is already there falls out. 

You want more time and plot developement at the Weasleys = TIME.

You want more time at the Dursley's to set everything up = TIME.

You want a full fight scene between Arthur and Lucius = TIME.

You want the Death Day party = Time.

You want Ron to have more intelligent screen time = TIME.

You want the emotional intensity of the Chamber scene with Tom Riddle
expanded = TIME.

You want the continuity between scene increased = TIME.

You want secondary characters better developed, like Colin Crevey = TIME.

Now the question is, of what is already there, what are you willing to
throw out, in order to insert all this other plot developement?

This is a movie based on a book that has been read by countless
millions and is familiar to them in great detail. They know the story,
so you can't fool them with standard Hollywood plot compression
tricks. Let's face it, most movies that are based on books, hardly
resemble the books at all. In fact most of those 'based on books'
movies are no more than fanfiction where the writer and director steal
a framework from a book, and write there own unique story that only
vaguely resembles the original. Most of these books that have been
adapted to movies have hardly been read by anyone, so if the story is
totally corrupted, no one knows. Even books by major authors like
Steven King, have not really been read by that many people, relative
to the number who will see a movie based on his book, and not even
remotely close to the number of people who have read the Harry Potter
books. So, in those other cases, if an adaptation of a book is a good
movie, who cares what the original book was about. But lots of Harry
Potter movie viewers do care a great deal about Rowling's books. You
could never get away with that kind of 'Hollywood' adaptation with a
Harry Potter book; never. It just can't be done.

There are only two ways to do expand the plot of a movie like this.
Either leave out more story and develop what you keep in the available
time, or add more time in which to develop what was originally there. 

We could throw out the Weasleys and expand the Dursleys; straight from
the Dursleys to school. We could throw out the Dursleys and expand the
Weasleys; Dobby could appear to Harry at the Weasleys instead. We
could throw both the Dursley's and Weasley's out completely and use
that time to expand developement of the story at the school. We could
throw the Quidditch and Hagrid subplots out completely and rewrite the
story. But what Potter fan is going to stand for that?

Rowling's books are written in a tremendously compact and efficient
style. Big sweeping blocks of plot take place in very few pages. You
just can't adapt writing that detailed and complex unless you are
willing to sacrifice something. Are you willing to throw the entire
story away and let the writer/director create a whole new story based
on this, or do you want to see THE Hary Potter story. You can't have
both. 

I don't want some Harry Potter Hollywood fanfiction version of Harry
Potter. I want THE Harry Potter story, the WHOLE Harry Potter story,
and I want it developed in more detail. That can only be done with
more time. I will agree with you in that this extra time has to be
well spent. But I will not agree with you in that this story could be
told in the limited time frame without some major sacrifies somewhere. 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

bboy_mn








From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 03:53:06 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:53:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Get yourself out"
In-Reply-To: <ar2rll+b8vg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021116035306.98446.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com>

--- GulPlum <plumeski at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> > > Harry tells her to "get yourself out" (repeat of line from PS/SS).
> > 
> > I'm going to be an idiot again (hey, no comments!) and ask, where
> > is that line in PS/SS?  I watched it again Monday night and didn't 
> > catch it.  I *thought* it was after the chess scene, but Harry said 
> > something like "Take Ron and get out, send an owl, etc."  I think.  
> > Or is the repetition just similar, not exact?  
> 
> My fault. I had mis-remembered the line from the first movie (yes, I 
> was thinking about the post-chess scene too). 

Give yourself a bit more credit. :)  The line DID appear, and I caught the
echo as well.  The line came in PS/SS, however, before the chess scene. 
Before they'd even descended into the chambers, in fact.  When they were
standing over the trap door in Fluffy's room, Harry said he'd go first and
if anything happened to him, "Get yourselves out."  Then Fluffy woke up
and started drooling. :)


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From heidit at netbox.com  Sat Nov 16 03:54:05 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (Heidi Tandy)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:54:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CoS Review & note to parents
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1576048011.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

Lanski wrote about taking a 4 year old. We took my son, Harry, who is three. He loved the first movie, especially the three headed doggie. In this one - although he's generally afraid of snakes - he sat perfectly the whole time and loved everything with the Anglia. I think we're going to get him the Willow Playset for the holidays. 

The Nimbus - 2003 team members who saw it together in Orlando unanimously had good things to say - then bumped into people who recognized out FictionAlley bags and Nimbus shirts in the lobby which was pretty terrific too!

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From divaclv at aol.com  Sat Nov 16 03:59:43 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 03:59:43 -0000
Subject: Did we miss the mark? (COS spoilers)
Message-ID: <ar4frf+ntup@eGroups.com>

Saw the film.  Loved the film.  Had some nitpicks, but they were 
(mostly) minor.  Think the entire cast was wonderful, the special 
effects were better, and the energy was up a notch from the first.  
Just have one theory I'd like to submit to the assembly.

SP
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PA
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FO
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HA
MB
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OF
SE
CR
ET
S!

Okay, about a week ago someone mentioned the part at the end, after 
Harry frees Dobby, where Lucius starts to cast "Avada Kedavra" (or 
something which sounds a LOT like it) before Dobby knocks him down, 
and questioned whether this was really in Lucius' character.  I 
personally thought Lucius might actually be mad enough to try to kill 
Harry, but I highly doubted he'd try to do it within 100 yards of 
Dumbledore (this is *Lucius* we're talking about, man has a 
reputation to uphold).  I said as much to another HP fan, who 
suggested this alternative: Dobby was mistaken in thinking Lucius was 
attacking Harry--he was, in fact, trying to kill *Dobby* instead.

Think about it.  It fits the moment, and it fits Malfoy.  He probably 
wouldn't go to Azkaban for offing his former house elf (Unforgivables 
are only such when used on *humans,* remember)--indeed, a lot of 
wizards probably wouldn't bat an eye at the act (sad, but true).  And 
Lucius might have been trying for a "that's what happened to your 
parents, and that's what I can do to you if I wanted" effect on Harry.

Anyone else besides me think this makes a lot more sense?

~Christi




From divaclv at aol.com  Sat Nov 16 03:59:45 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 03:59:45 -0000
Subject: Did we miss the mark? (COS spoilers)
Message-ID: <ar4frh+2io2@eGroups.com>

Saw the film.  Loved the film.  Had some nitpicks, but they were 
(mostly) minor.  Think the entire cast was wonderful, the special 
effects were better, and the energy was up a notch from the first.  
Just have one theory I'd like to submit to the assembly.

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Okay, about a week ago someone mentioned the part at the end, after 
Harry frees Dobby, where Lucius starts to cast "Avada Kedavra" (or 
something which sounds a LOT like it) before Dobby knocks him down, 
and questioned whether this was really in Lucius' character.  I 
personally thought Lucius might actually be mad enough to try to kill 
Harry, but I highly doubted he'd try to do it within 100 yards of 
Dumbledore (this is *Lucius* we're talking about, man has a 
reputation to uphold).  I said as much to another HP fan, who 
suggested this alternative: Dobby was mistaken in thinking Lucius was 
attacking Harry--he was, in fact, trying to kill *Dobby* instead.

Think about it.  It fits the moment, and it fits Malfoy.  He probably 
wouldn't go to Azkaban for offing his former house elf (Unforgivables 
are only such when used on *humans,* remember)--indeed, a lot of 
wizards probably wouldn't bat an eye at the act (sad, but true).  And 
Lucius might have been trying for a "that's what happened to your 
parents, and that's what I can do to you if I wanted" effect on Harry.

Anyone else besides me think this makes a lot more sense?

~Christi




From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 05:39:54 2002
From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (Megan)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 05:39:54 -0000
Subject: Probably the most thorough review written...:-D
Message-ID: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com>

(only because I'm extremely obsessive and it's been edited about 8
times already!)

OH. MY. GOD.

I share everyone's sentiment EXACTLY about Tom Riddle.  He is
like...dear gracious, and the Parseltongue...I cannot speak.  I was
squirming throughout that ENTIRE sequence.  Whoever said
sex-on-a-stick was completely dead-on.  I want that DVD NOW so I can
watch the chamber scene 4569 million times in a row.  That whole
sequence was absolutely SPECTACULAR.  I was about to DIE in my chair.
 Christian Coulson was AMAZING as Tom Riddle and the dynamics between
him and Harry in the chamber, the dialogue before the basilisk
came...couldn't have been more brilliantly executed.  It was
just...again, amazing.  Want him right there, on the cold marble floor
:-P.

In addition to the above, we'll do the bits that were done right
first.  I love the Burrow.  The set was very cute and most of the
scenes located there were well-done and very fitting with the story. 
Dobby was not as bas as we'd all been expecting, but that still
doesn't mean I like him.  I mean, I hate him in the books, so I'm
still going to hate him in the movie.

Gosh, Jason Isaacs was FABULOUS as Lucius Malfoy.  Couldn't have been
better acted.  Thank goodness he did not let Columbus's poor directing
make his character fall victim.  Same for Branagh as Lockhart.  I'd
almost venture to say the Lockhart presented in the movies was almost
BETTER than the books, though of course, working in a diminished
capacity.  His lines were funny and the acting was again fabulous.  I
would really venture to say he deserves an Emmy nomination for this
performance.  He completely WAS Lockhart, I had extreme difficulty
thinking of him as Branagh while watching the film.  Fab again for
Rickman, per norm, and as a nice side-effect, Professor Sprout.

The spider scene was positively gripping, creepy, gross, and almost
terrifying--and I don't even MIND spiders all that much.  Again, a
very well done sequence, though didn't like the lead-in, but we'll get
to that later.

The film IS actually as scary, bloody, and gorey as they've been
saying.  I was actually surprised at some of the gore they DID show. 
It was pretty realistic and not toned down really at all.  I can see
why kids would be frightened at certain parts.  It got pretty messy at
moments (cannot believe they showed the csword going thround the
basilisk's mouth...EW!)--THE SPIDER AROUND RON'S NECK?!  Holy cow,
that was awesomely freaky.

Quidditch looked much better and the part where the Bludger chases
Malfoy and Harry through the stands was quite cool.  When the Bludger
smacked into his arm...*shudders*  Well, just, URGH.  The flying parts
were kept shorter, and therefore less dizzy-ing.  Though I do believe
there were some canonical errors in the placement of players & what
they'd being doing, I don't feel like nitpicking at that.  Not
everyone is as particular as I.

The small bit in Knockturn Alley (those of you who have seen it will
know what I mean...this is NOT to be spoiled.  I am so glad I didn't
know about it ahead of time like everything else!) was a really
awesome small addition to canon.  It's the little things sometimes &
they add up.

Moaning Myrtle was done relatively decently, though I think some her
acting was a little...over-acting.  Just kind of campy to me.  And the
Polyjuice was quite cool and pretty well done on the Crabbe & Goyle
(Harry & Ron :-P) part, but we'll get to Malfoy later.

Ummm, onto the bad because until I unload all this, I can't think of
any more good things :-P.  As they come, then: PACING.  Good grief, I
will be SO GLAD when the 3rd one comes out and Columbus is NOT the
director.  He's awful at it, truly.  Some of the cinematography was
completely off and awkward for whatver scene it was shooting.  The
pacing was completely horrid.  Columbus needs to learn the word
TRANSITION.  I know the film had to have a lot packed into it, but I
absolutely hated how a scene would just END and then immediately go on
to the next one with no segway.  It made the film very choppy and
probably completely non-sensical to any non-readers.  That is 95% of
what my complaints about this film are.  Under another director, I
think this film could have been potentially brilliant mostly as is,
with just changes in directing.

Also, some of the script.  Why does Kloves like to change lines for no
reason?  Leave things be and bugger off.  Grr.

Lucius SO did start to say 'Avada' at the end.  GRR. *murders
whoever's idea that was*

Getting under my skin the more I think of it: RON IS NOT A RETARD. 
RON IS NOT YOUR PATHETIC LITTLE SIDE-KICK.  Ron is BRAVE.  Ron is
IMPORTANT, believe it or not.  They take away EVERYTHING Ron is good
for in Book 2 and give it to someone else, making him look like the
chicken, bumbling sidekick that he truly isn't.  Poor Grint does a
good job with what they give him, but they give him POTS.  Granted,
some of the stuff IS valid, but the vast majority of the crap he had
to deal with in the film is just...awful.  Why are they trying to make
him look so stupid?  Ron isn't.  I like Ron, but in the film I'm more
inclined to dismiss him and call him stupid...only see him as Harry's
little sidekick there for comic relief and minor entertainment.  NO. 
Ron is 3D.  Why can you make Hermione into something she's NOT, but
then flatten Ron completely? (very...just I don't like how they
changed Hermione's character.  It wasn't really BAD in the film, just
not canon, so I can't truly complain.)

Can I ever say how much I don't really like Emma Watson?  I'm sure
some of it isn't ALL her fault, but I just don't like her.  She's not
Hermione & I don't think she ever will be.  And Kloves must have a
thing for her, because if I hadn't known better, I might've thought
the movie was called <i>Hermione at Hogwarts</i>.  Hmph.

Again, the whole chamber scene?  Gosh, it was good, but the cheesiness
was AWFUL at the end.  The music was BLARING when Fawkes came 'round
to heal Harry and I want to chuck my popcorn at the screen.  Cut down
the music and the Cheese-O-Meter and make it what it's SUPPOSED to be,
Columbus.  Actually, 95% of that part was the music.  Turn it off or
down a lot, and that scene wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

Can I say again that Coulson was completely awesome?

Repeating everyone else's review: cut the last scene.  It plain
sucked.  Stick to canon and we'll all get out of here alive.

Okay, was Harry supposed to be DYING in the chamber, because I
honestly couldn't tell.  Let's hope this Columbus's trashy directing
and not a reflection of Daniel's skills, because I have say most
everywhere else, he's good actor here, but this was just AWFUL.  He
could've died and I almost wouldn't have CARED.

Justin Finch-Fletchey was SO not attractive, no matter what people
say.  Again with wonky editing: the whole Hufflepuffs leer at me--wha!
part was just odd.  And wrong in the movie.  Cut it out.  But I have
to agree, that he was undeniably straight.  So much for the slash in
THAT part.  But was decidedly wonky.

And I don't mean to be awful person, but I'm VERY GLAD Dumbledore is
getting re-cast.  I think Harris was never suited for it (actually,
I've never like Harris as an actor entirely) and he just sucks all the
fun out of Dumbledore's scene.  When Harry's in his office after the
chamber part, that scene drags on for sooooo long before Lucius comes.
 Poor Daniel can't help it, really, it's mostly Harris's completely
dull and slow Dumbledore.  Sorry to speak ill of the dead, but it's
completely true.

The kids were tons better this go around, but is it just me or is Tom
Felton not that great of an actor?  I honestly cannot tell if it is
the bad direction or just him not being good.  And what is WITH him
being a klepto?  Again, get a clue, Columbus.  That was totally
unnecessary.  We'll see in POA if my suspicions are confirmed about
Felton.  I so cannot WAIT for that movie.  If it's botched, I'm going
to want to die.

This movie was solely designed to send us all to the Bad Place, I'm
convinced.  Why else would Malfoy grab his crotch in the middle of it?
:-P  And the H/Hr shipping about drove me MAD, because it was so
cheeeeesy.  STOP FORCING THINGS DONE OUR THROATS!  There's a little
thing called fine subtlety to get things like this across.  And this
little movie was probably a slasher's dream because you could take
almost anything in this movie and make subtext out of it.

The Whomping Willow was also quite awesome.  In fact, all the action
sequences in this film totally kicked arse.  And there were a lot of
them!  It really made it (the film) suspenseful and gripping, even
though I already knew the outcome!  But again, it was like all the
action scenes were shoved together and one was right after another,
like boom boom boom!  Hey we're at the Durseleys!  Hey we're in a car!
 Hey we're at the Burrow  Hey we're in a car again!  Hey we're at
Hogwarts!  Hey we're in Herbology!  Hey, look weird voices are talking
to me.  As must as I hate to say it, kill some of the purely action
sequences (or condense them...Whomping Willow was about as twice as
long as it needed to be) and work on...*gasp* actual characters (wow,
what a concept)!

I have just now realized (and this is an edit), that actually Harry's
entire character was incredibly wonky.  WTF is up with that!? 
Columbus killed Harry. He is so not Harry of canon.  Okay, maybe
KLOVES killed Harry, but someone did & it wasn't Daniel.

I actually didn't mind Riddle being Basil Exposition TOO much. 
Someone had to do it.  McGonagall as expo. blowed.  Do it...just find
some other way to get the chamber legend out, because that SO didn't work.
 
The diary was botched.  There wasn't suffiecient backstroy explaining
it and how Harry would've even KNOWN to write in it in the first
place.  Same for Ginny.  It's like she was there briefly in the
beginning and then *gasp*, she's in the chamber...wtf?  Ginny's entire
plotline (which was, coincidentally, THE PLOT FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE)
was completely screwed up.  Either use Ginny or not, but please make
up your mind.  Cutting done all wrong.  You can't assume we've read
the books Columbus, because this is a MOVIE, not an addendum to the
novel.  I feel very sorry for anyone who saw this and has never/will
never read COS.  Because it doesn't suck if you know the true story, I
promise.

High points: action, acting, visual effects, CHAMBER SCENE, TOM
RIDDLE, spiders, flying car, and just an overall more improved feeling.

Low points: pacing, lack of transitions, botched backstory, script
problems, Ron's characterization, Hermione's characterization, last
scene, and sometiems just plain awkwardness.

Well, I know I will never-ever be finished, because I will be adding
things for at least a week that I've forgotten to talk about.

But, I can say...if I had to die tonight, I would die a happy girl. 
Would you hurt me if I said I can't wait to see it again? *grins*




From tracym255 at aol.com  Sat Nov 16 06:26:48 2002
From: tracym255 at aol.com (mullsym255)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 06:26:48 -0000
Subject: Actress change?
Message-ID: <ar4of8+dj20@eGroups.com>

Okay, I know this is a completely tiny detail, but what can I say. Is 
the actress who played Alicia Spinnet different in COS? Because she 
did not look like the same actress to me, yet IMDB (which isn't 
always reliable) credits the same actress for the part, Leilah 
Sutherland I think it was. The other two girls looked the same. I 
guess when I see it again, I'll have to stick around for the credits.

-Tracy




From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 07:58:18 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:58:18 -0000
Subject: The good, the bad and the just plain ugly CoS
Message-ID: <ar4tqq+gor8@eGroups.com>

spoiler space
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HUGE SPOILERS CONTAINED BELOW!!

So this is going to be disjoined, but so was the movie. On with MNSHO:

Bad screen play, horrible director. If it wasn't for having such a huge fan base already and having such magnificent actors and actresses in it, this movie would flop- as in 1/2 a star flop. 
IT'S NOT WORTH STAYING THROUGH THE CREDITS FOR THE EXTRA!! 
Wait for the DVD so you can fast forward.

-General comments:
< Percy's prefect badge=RED, Tom's prefect badge=GREEN (can only tell in the chamber (flashback is Black and White)
< Lucius's cane: Wonderful!! Snake head on the end with green eyes, but wait! The cane is a sheath for his wand! Beautiful!!
<Ron wearing his red sweater from PS/SS at Diagon Alley

Scene problems:
-In Snape's office: The lighting and filters on the camera were different when close-up with Snape vs. any other shot. EDITING!!!
Snape stalking Harry and Ron around the table was beautiful!

-Womping willow: well done with special effects, but shouldn't it have looked like a willow tree not a tall living stump with boxing gloves on?

-Myrtle flooding the bathroom: ALL the sinks were turned on.

-"study session" scene WITH GINNY THERE is followed by Harry finding Justin. How is our little Ginny supposed to be behind all of this?

-Hagrid coming into D'dore's office: *holding a dead chicken*

-2nd Quidditch match: Hufflepuff is on the pitch? I would think someone (probably McGonagall since she arrived from that direction) would have called them down. 

-Chamber: Can this basilisk not smell? I clearly see nostrils. For a snake it looks a lot like a dinosaur, with all those teeth...

-After chamber in Dumbledore's office: Talking about Harry being in the wrong house: D'dore states that Harry has qualities which *Voldemort* himself looks for. Shouldn't that be *Slytherin? *
Lucius talking: AHHHH! The nasty *wooo look at my eyes* lighting. Horrible!
(well done acting, BAD lighting)

-AK: I'm not going to say that he was or was not saying it, as we have not heard the correct pronunciation for it. Snape's Expelliarmus was pronounced as two words...

Acting:
-Ginny's acting: Ug. they would have been better off finding someone who can ACT and change their hair color (if indeed that is her natural color).
-Lucius, Lockhart and Snape: wonderfully acted. 
-Ron: well, they didn't give him a lot of room here, so no comment.
-Harry: better than PS/SS, some parts done perfectly
-Hermione: Mudblood bit in Hagrid's hut: is she going for an Oscar? <Cue loud music> <Stand up, walk away from group, turn, look all misty-eyed><speak lines>. BLECH!

I think that was a whole dollar worth of two cents, and it took me a while to try and spell everything correctly and type all this, so I hope no one has beat me to the important points of my rant.
:)
Andrea/Kattrap





From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 08:19:45 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:19:45 -0000
Subject: Probably the most thorough review written...:-D
In-Reply-To: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar4v31+k2ie@eGroups.com>

I just wanted to say that I loved your review. There are so many points that I totally agree with that I can't list them all here. 

virtualworldofhp said:
> I have just now realized (and this is an edit), that actually Harry's
> entire character was incredibly wonky.  WTF is up with that!? 
> Columbus killed Harry. He is so not Harry of canon.  Okay, maybe
> KLOVES killed Harry, but someone did & it wasn't Daniel.

I was wondering if you could give some examples of this?

Thanks, 
Andrea/Kattrap





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 11:34:34 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:34:34 -0000
Subject: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
Message-ID: <ar5aga+tl0r@eGroups.com>

This post discusses a subject that is unique to the movie. So if you
prefer not to hear details that exits only in the movie, you may not
want to read it.

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Well I agree with what most others have said. I is unlikely that
Lucius M. would have murdered Harry in the Halls of Hogwarts. But from
a movie perspective, or the making of a movie perspective, what curse
should he have used?

I can't think of an alternative, perhaps a Cruciatus Pain Curse. That
is a curse that would have left Harry punished but health. Then Lucuis
 would have only had to worry about Harry turning him in. Which I
don't think Harry would do. Even if he did, it would be Harry's word
against Lucius. Hard to say how much Dobby's word would count for; a
house-elve testifying against his former master. That would be
completely out of character for an elf, and therefore highly suspect.

Another thought, 'Crucio' is a relatively short word. Could Lucius say
enough of it, so that we knew what it was, and still give Dobby time
to  intervene before he finished it? 

Also, keep in mind that at this point in the story, we aren't suppose
to know any of these curses. 

So, that was the task that the Director was stuck with. Either coming
up with a new curse that sound sufficiently menacing, a latinized word
of phrase that we would perceive as threatening and dangerous,  or use
a terrible curse that we would recognize. Given that very few American
know more that the merest micro-trace of Latin, thinking of a new
dangerous sounding Latinized word or phrase might me hard. I'm sure we
could do it, if we put out collective heads together, but we have the
luxury of hindsight, and are don't have a mutli-million dollar
deadline looming over us.

Just a few thoughts on the subject.

PS: was it just me, or were a lot of Ron's lines given to Hermione?

bboy_mn






From tiara_askew at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 13:17:43 2002
From: tiara_askew at yahoo.com (tiara_askew)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:17:43 -0000
Subject: HP fan before or after PS/SS?
In-Reply-To: <ar2cdv+bkfk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar5ghn+om8e@eGroups.com>

> I saw PS/SS without reading the books....
> Anyone else want to share their thoughts?
> 
> -Andrea/Kattrap

I had heard of the books and had been meaning to pick them up but 
didn't get around to it until the SS movie came out. I hadn't planned 
on seeing the movie because of Chris Columbus being the director, but 
a friend of mine who is an actor and movie buff recommended it so 
highly, I went. I fell in love and went directly from the theater to 
the bookstore - I've been hooked ever since.

I'm sure I would have enjoyed the books even if I hadn't seen the 
movie first.

That said, I'm terribly disappointed in CoS. I had read an interview 
with Chris Columbus saying that he had more free rein this time since 
(something to the effect of) "JKR trusts me now". Seems pretty clear 
that with proper supervision, CC could make a truly Classic movie 
like SS - and without it, churn out the same sort of dreck that Home 
Alone and Mrs Doubtfire were. It's really a shame.

There were a few redeeming qualities to the movie, so it wasn't a 
total loss and I won't give up hope - we do have an excellent 
director in the wings for PoA!

Now, just send Allan Rickman to a health spa and get Rupert Grint to 
acting class before Feb! (sorry! couldn't resist!)

tiara askew





From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com  Sat Nov 16 13:27:36 2002
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com)
Date: 16 Nov 2002 13:27:36 -0000
Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie 
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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the 
HPFGU-Movie group:

Dobby is an integral part of the 
Chamber of Secrets book, but lots of 
folks were nervous about how he would 
be translated to the film. How do you 
think they did? 

  o Dobby is delightful!! 
  o Better than I expected 
  o Didn't love him, didn't hate him 
  o Too cartoony for me, but ok for kids 
  o Can you say, Jar Jar Dobby?? 


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From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 16 14:42:16 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:42:16 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Just Saw it. It was bad(? or !)
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Bboy Wrote:

>I don't want some Harry Potter Hollywood fanfiction version of Harry
>Potter. I want THE Harry Potter story, the WHOLE Harry Potter story,
>and I want it developed in more detail. That can only be done with
>more time. I will agree with you in that this extra time has to be
>well spent. But I will not agree with you in that this story could be
>told in the limited time frame without some major sacrifices somewhere.
>
>That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Good points, but may I add my two cents worth?  Don't know if it merits a 
spoiler space, but I'm going to do it any way, just in case...

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Time: I think we can all agree we'd love to have more.  I don't think any of 
the characters are as developed as much as any of us would like them to be.

Talent is there...my god!  Branaugh is a wonderful actor!

Special effects, that's no problem.

Costumes, props, sets...all wonderful...when can I move in?

My biggest gripe about the film is this: if it isn't done correctly, then 
what's the point?

Let me clarify:  Okay, I make no secrets that Snape is my favorite 
character...and I have a crush on Rickman...and I know that Rickman can play 
the "bad guy"...I've seen him do it before.  But in the movie, Snape comes 
across so ho-hum.  What I like most about the character of Snape is the 
tension and conflict he causes by his behavior.  It could be an *incredible* 
role for a dramatic actor.  But yesterday, I didn't even see one sneer!  My 
favorite scene in CoS the book, the dueling scene, was such a disappointment 
in CoS the movie because the conflict between Snape and Lockhart had been 
watered down to the point that Snape seemed like a totally different 
character...barely recognizable.

Another example:  Moaning Myrtle.  I'm telling you something that I don't 
like to admit, but out of all the characters in Potter-world, I can identify 
most with Moaning Myrtle.  I was the depressed Goth-girl who'd go crying in 
the bathroom at Jr. High, okay?  But in the movie, I didn't "feel" that 
anguish, that heart-breaking sorrow that one gets when one reaches puberty, 
when you feel so out of place and that nobody likes you.  In the movie, M.M. 
came across rather annoying, shifting from one extreme emotion to the other 
in a sing-songy sort of voice.  It was like a cartoon.  It was not 
believable.

Now, I blame the directing, in part.  I think Chris Columbus could have done 
a much better job.  I'd wager that anyone of us here at HP4G could have done 
a just as good a job, if not better.  I feel like writing Warner Brothers 
and asking them if they'd like to have us come on as consultants for the 
next movies (now that's an idea!)

But then again, I'm going to bring up a point that I made before, that the 
movies are directed towards children...that they've watered down the 
contents of the book so that children can sit through them. Car chases.  
Scary monsters.  Like you said, Bboy, we want the whole Harry Potter story.  
But it needs to be done in such a way that it appeals to us adults as well.  
I want drama!  So much of the tension that's built up in the books is not 
going to be there by the time we get to GoF.

I'm hoping that by the time they start filming GoF it won't degrade into a 
musical comedy.

Maybe I'm being too hard, but that's my feelings on the matter.

-Gail B.

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From 5joneses at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 16 14:39:58 2002
From: 5joneses at earthlink.net (Erika J)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:39:58 -0500
Subject: Watching HP
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I held out on seeing HP until todays matinee because it is my daughters 
birthday (10). Last year we got to see it opening day because it fell on 
her birthday. I am SOOOOOO excited.  Probably just a bit more than the fact 
that it is my daughters birthday (I am so bad). I have read the reviews, I 
couldn't resist, so I will be looking out for things that I normally 
wouldn't have looked out for. When I went to see PS/SS the first time I had 
never read the book and was reluctant to see another big budget Hollywood 
movie but went anyway because my daughter wanted to see it. Well, I tell 
you, I was obsessed last Xmas. Everyone got Harry Potter stuff whether they 
liked it or not (Harry Potter pencils/towels/shampoo didn't go over well 
with my 13 year old son). I ALMOST went out last night to see it but I 
resisted so I could share the experience with the whole family (Da** them!) 
today.  Sometimes, I feel so immature when my best friends, albeit read the 
books, have masters in English literature and when we talk of writers, I 
quote HP canon and they look at me and shake their heads. I do have one up 
on them though, I am the resident Tokien expert. Anyway, wanted to unlurk 
and purge some of the excitement of seeing the movie for the very first 
time, I will surely see it more, I saw PS/SS 6 times (full price, no 
matinees) last year.

EJ

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From bsher213 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 15:01:10 2002
From: bsher213 at yahoo.com (Barbara Sheridan)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:01:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
In-Reply-To: <1037447818.216.52918.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021116150110.39661.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>

I thought Isaacs was a perfect Lucius especially with his
"You are so beneath a Malfoy" look to Hermione in the
bookshop and his "how DARE you embarrass the Malfoy name
with anything less that perfection" look he gives the
fallen Draco at the Quidditch match. (Also loved the way
Rickman hauled Draco to his feet at the dueling scene. It
was a "how DARE you embarrass Slytehrin House" moment that
spoke volumes)

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literally kicked Dobby around. I don't see him behaving so
"crudely" with an audience, especially when that sudience
is Dumbledore. 

Then when he tries to AK Harry---it was so not Lucius to
act so stupidly with a witness (Dobby) and again,
especially so near Dumbledore, but then when reading 
through others' reactions and having someone mention that
they thought Lucius was aiming for _Dobby_ the scene made
perfect sense.

What Lucius possesses no one takes away, especially not
Harry Potter. 

The writer/director missed a golden opportunity to "get in
Lucius' head" by not inserting a simple line telling
us/Harry/Dobby  "_I_ decide if you go free. _I_ decided if
you live or die."  



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From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 16:00:48 2002
From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (Megan)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:00:48 -0000
Subject: Probably the most thorough review written...:-D
In-Reply-To: <ar4v31+k2ie@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar5q3g+he26@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Andrea" <kattrap_meow at y...> wrote:
> I just wanted to say that I loved your review. There are so many
points that I totally agree with that I can't list them all here. 
> 
> virtualworldofhp said:
> > I have just now realized (and this is an edit), that actually Harry's
> > entire character was incredibly wonky.  WTF is up with that!? 
> > Columbus killed Harry. He is so not Harry of canon.  Okay, maybe
> > KLOVES killed Harry, but someone did & it wasn't Daniel.
> 
> I was wondering if you could give some examples of this?

Well, it was kinda of passing thought & I think I'd need to see the
movie again to be COMPLETELY thorough in this line of thought, but
I'll give it a stab.

I think there were just some scenes where Harry's lines were
quite...just ugh.  Somehow they were all wrong.  I read on someone
else's review that Columbus relies too heavily on the close-up camera
shots of Daniel's face looking politely bewildered...yes those are
valid, but Harry has other feelings, too.  Some of the weirdness
involved clonky editing as in making Harry out to the incredibly smart
problem-solver and Hollywood hero.  I don't think Harry would've hung
around those Petrified people as long as he did in the movie...I know
it says that in the book, but they way they put it on screen, it
looked so UNNATURAL.

Okay, overall Harry seems to be 1 of 3 things at all times: politely
bewildered in his silly na?ve way, an almost genuis figuring out the
mystery, and brave Harry who can fight with a sword and get us out of
sticky messes.  Why do these seem to be the only things Harry can
convey?  If it weren't for the fact that he were the focus of this
movie, then I can see how we all might wonder why exactly he's so
good.  He just seems FLAT in CoS.

I think really the only parts where Harry truly gleemed as Canon!Harry
was for a second in Flourish & Blotts when standing up to Malfoy &
then the dialogue in the chamber with Tom before he calls the
basilisk--THOSE were awesome, fleeting moments of Harry's true
character as JKR wants him to be.

Okay, I know that wasn't that good of an explanation, but maybe
someone else can branch off with this and run with the idea.  I think
once I see the movie some more, I can fully develop what I was
thinking when I said that.

Cheers!
Megan




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Sat Nov 16 20:41:12 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:41:12 -0000
Subject: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
In-Reply-To: <20021116150110.39661.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ar6ah8+837j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:
> I thought Isaacs was a perfect Lucius especially with his
> "You are so beneath a Malfoy" look to Hermione in the
> bookshop and his "how DARE you embarrass the Malfoy name
> with anything less that perfection" look he gives the
> fallen Draco at the Quidditch match. (Also loved the way
> Rickman hauled Draco to his feet at the dueling scene. It
> was a "how DARE you embarrass Slytehrin House" moment that
> spoke volumes)


I loved both those touches, too, especially Snape pulling Draco up 
and then shoving him right back into the match.  Actually, I very 
much liked Snape in this movie, especially that duelling scene.  
Even though he didn't have a lot of lines, I thought his acting 
conveyed a lot.  In most of his scenes, he is very controlled and is 
looking at Harry and his friends with narrowed eyes (not really very 
attractive, in my view); when Harry speaks the Parseltongue, I saw 
his eyes get really big with shock.  Even the body language (people 
have commented on how his reaction seemed slow) conveyed how big an 
event this was, and you could see his brain processing all the 
implications.  In fact, I think that Snape's reaction is what gives 
power to the next scene, where Ron and Hermione explain to Harry 
what being a Parseltongue implies.  Without that, it would be yet 
another "explanation" scene.

As for Lucius, I DO think he was trying to kill Harry at the end.  I 
know it's not in the book, but movies do go for a kind of shorthand 
method of character development.  I think what we were getting here 
was "Seriously evil wizard coming through."  It looked to me like 
Lucius was beside himself with rage, and lost control enough to 
allow us a look at what he's really like.  And, by implication, what 
Voldemort is like, as Lucius is his agent.  Isaacs acting, by the 
way, was WONDERFUL.  He was so good, I realized after the movie that 
in that scene in Dumbledore's office, I'd totally forgotten that 
Dobby was CGI - I was genuinely convinced that Dobby was really 
there in that room with them all, and it was purely because Isaacs 
was so convincing as the tyrannical master abusing his pathetic 
little slave.




From divaclv at aol.com  Sat Nov 16 22:20:22 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:20:22 -0000
Subject: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
In-Reply-To: <20021116150110.39661.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ar6gb6+rpco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:
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> Then when he tries to AK Harry---it was so not Lucius to
> act so stupidly with a witness (Dobby) and again,
> especially so near Dumbledore, but then when reading 
> through others' reactions and having someone mention that
> they thought Lucius was aiming for _Dobby_ the scene made
> perfect sense.
> 
> What Lucius possesses no one takes away, especially not
> Harry Potter. 

And then there's the fact Dobby had the opportunity to get some 
*very* interesting inside information on the Malfoys' activities.  
Since Dobby's no longer obligated to refrain from speaking ill of his 
(former) masters, Lucius might have been trying to effect a different 
kind of silence on him.
 
> The writer/director missed a golden opportunity to "get in
> Lucius' head" by not inserting a simple line telling
> us/Harry/Dobby  "_I_ decide if you go free. _I_ decided if
> you live or die."  

This is, of course, the problem with this interpretation: it's 
unclear who Lucius is actually aiming for.  We only have Dobby's 
line "You shall not harm Harry Potter" to give us any sort of 
direction on this point.  But on the whole, I find this notion a lot 
less problematic than the alternative.

~Christi




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 22:51:18 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:51:18 -0000
Subject: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
In-Reply-To: <ar6gb6+rpco@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar6i56+3hjd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "c_voth312" <divaclv at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Barbara Sheridan <bsher213 at y...> wrote:
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>  BARBARA:
> > The writer/director missed a golden opportunity to "get in
> > Lucius' head" by not inserting a simple line telling
> > us/Harry/Dobby  "_I_ decide if you go free. _I_ decided if
> > you live or die."  


>  Christi:
> This is, of course, the problem with this interpretation: it's 
> unclear who Lucius is actually aiming for.  We only have Dobby's 
> line "You shall not harm Harry Potter" to give us any sort of 
> direction on this point.  But on the whole, I find this notion a lot 
> less problematic than the alternative.
> 
> ~Christi

bboy_mn adds:

How about if Lucius said something like...

Lucius glares at Dobby, "You will die for this Dobby." Then turns and
holds Harry in an icy cold glare, "...and you Potter, you wil pay for
this." He draws his wand back and begins to incant the killing curse,
but Dobby knocks him back and stops him.

"You shall not harm Harry Potter," Dobby replies with fierce
determination.

- - - - - - - - 
Dobby shows more concern for Harry's safety than he does for his own
life. Lucuis has a reason for the AK curse and is also threatening
Harry at the same time.

I think if nothing else, this points out that a little forethought and
a few more minutes of movie time, and these things could have been
easily solved. 

I still say (see 'Just Saw it.' post# 4069 & 4073) that they were
doomed by there obcession with compressing the movie into 2hrs
30minutes. I think they should have view this more as a grand epic
adventure and expanded it as much as it took to give us that sense of
a grand adventure and detailed plot. 

In reality, to do justice to any of these movies, they really need to
take TWO years to produce each one and make them into a really long
movie or make them into two parts. Maybe release one on the 15th of
Nov and release the next on the 15th of Dec and let them run concurrently.

Just my opinion.

bboy_mn







From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 22:58:06 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:58:06 -0000
Subject: Actress change?
In-Reply-To: <ar4of8+dj20@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar6ihu+unu3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "mullsym255" <tracym255 at a...> wrote:

TRACY:
> Okay, I know this is a completely tiny detail, but what can I say. Is 
> the actress who played Alicia Spinnet different in COS? Because she 
> did not look like the same actress to me, yet IMDB (which isn't 
> always reliable) credits the same actress for the part, Leilah 
> Sutherland I think it was. The other two girls looked the same. I 
> guess when I see it again, I'll have to stick around for the credits.
> 
> -Tracy

bboy_mn:

Any chance it could be that she is just growing up. I didn't pay that
much attention so I can't actually speak to the differences but we
need to remember they are all relatively young. The differences in
Rupert appearance now and in the first movie (spikey haircut aside)
are very great.

bboy_mn




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 23:09:11 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:09:11 -0000
Subject: Probably the most thorough review written...:-D
In-Reply-To: <ar5q3g+he26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar6j6n+uout@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Megan" <virtualworldofhp at y...> wrote:

Megan:
> ...edited...
> Okay, overall Harry seems to be 1 of 3 things at all times: politely
> bewildered in his silly na?ve way, an almost genuis figuring out the
> mystery, and brave Harry who can fight with a sword and get us out of
> sticky messes.  Why do these seem to be the only things Harry can
> convey?  If it weren't for the fact that he were the focus of this
> movie, then I can see how we all might wonder why exactly he's so
> good.  He just seems FLAT in CoS.
> 
> I think really the only parts where Harry truly gleemed as 
> Canon!Harry was for a second in Flourish & Blotts when standing 
> up to Malfoy & then the dialogue in the chamber with Tom before he 
> calls the basilisk--THOSE were awesome, fleeting moments of Harry's 
< true character as JKR wants him to be.
> ...edited...
> Cheers!
> Megan

bboy_mn adds:
I still blame everything on the movie being so rushed. There is no
time to develop anyone's character or the emotional intensity of any
scene. There is simple too much story to try and cram it all into the
short space of time they were obviously shooting for.

If they had told the whole story, emphasis on the word 'whole', the
movie would have probably run close to 3.5 hrs, and that would have
been just fine with me. The only problem to a movie that long is I
don't know if I could have held a giant lemonade in for that long. 

If given a choice in plot priorities, I could handle a shortened
version of the Dursleys in favor of more time at the Weasleys. 

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn




From bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 17 02:19:31 2002
From: bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com (bruinfan1988)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:19:31 -0000
Subject: Movie Thoughts--Spoilers!
Message-ID: <ar6ubj+4gfs@eGroups.com>

Spoiler Space

Go see the movie!

Spoiler Space

Go see the movie!

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Go see the movie!

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Go see the movie!

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Go see the movie!

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Saw it late last night in a huge packed theater--and really liked 
it.  I thought the acting was great--much improved from the kids, 
with very few instances of stilted line readings.  The adults were 
amazing--especially Kenneth Branagh, Jason Isaacs and Alan Rickman.  
The scary scenes were startling and fun-scary, and the pace was much 
better than the first movie.  The whole audience (all college aged 
and above, about half male, half female) were hooting and hollering 
and laughing and clapping throughout.  

Small nits:

I agree with those that say that some of the feeling of wonder in the 
first movie was lost--but I think that might have been intentional.  
After all, this is Harry's world now, and we're seeing it through 
Harry's eyes--and he HAS seen it all before.

I thought Snape was a little nicer and Draco was a little snarkier 
but not as mean as portrayed in the books.  But, again, I'm not sure 
that wasn't intentional and perhaps an instance of Chris Columbus's 
penchant for foreshadowing.

Only three scenes stood out as not quite right--and each of these 
scenes prompted inappropriate laughter from the audience:  

1) First, in the Chamber when Harry is healed by phoenix tears and 
explains to Ginny that, hey, that's right, phoenix tears heal wounds, 
so he's not going to die after all--seemed too pat, too convenient, 
and cracked up the audience.  I think this is a writing/directing 
problem--it would have worked better if the scene played out like in 
the book, with Riddle taunting Harry while the phoenix cried, then 
realizing that Harry was being healed, and then getting his due when 
Harry drove the fang through the book.  The movie order (fang/book 
then phoenix) made Harry seem more heroic, but made the scene seem a 
little less plausible.

2) Second, in Dumbledore's office, when Dumbledore told Harry to pick 
up the sword, and Harry picked it up with both hands by its bloody 
BLADE, rather than using the hilt.  Hmm, not such a sharp blade, 
huh?  Made the audience laugh.  Obviously a directing problem.

3) Third, the infamous Hermione returns to the Great Hall scene.  
When Ron saw Hermione and smiled so big, the audience hooted and whoo-
ed.  And then when Harry did the same, they started to laugh--like, 
do they BOTH like her, jeez?  And it sort of continued through the 
hug/handshake part.  I'm not sure Chris Columbus's idea for that 
scene worked out as well as he intended.

But, really, that's it!  Everyone I know who has seen it liked it.

Leeanna

P.S.  When Oliver Wood first came on screen, the audience's shrieks 
overwhelmed several lines of dialog.  :  )




From boredchocobo at attbi.com  Sun Nov 17 03:18:41 2002
From: boredchocobo at attbi.com (Chocobo)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:18:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie Thoughts--Spoilers!
References: <ar6ubj+4gfs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c28de8$0766ec70$82647d18@Compuhon>

Replying to this down below the spoiler space...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bruinfan1988 

  Spoiler Space

  Go see the movie!

  Spoiler Space

  Go see the movie!

  Spoiler Space

  Go see the movie!

  Spoiler Space

  Go see the movie!

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  Go see the movie!

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  Only three scenes stood out as not quite right--and each of these 
  scenes prompted inappropriate laughter from the audience:  

  1) First, in the Chamber when Harry is healed by phoenix tears and 
  explains to Ginny that, hey, that's right, phoenix tears heal wounds, 
  so he's not going to die after all--seemed too pat, too convenient, 
  and cracked up the audience.  I think this is a writing/directing 
  problem--it would have worked better if the scene played out like in 
  the book, with Riddle taunting Harry while the phoenix cried, then 
  realizing that Harry was being healed, and then getting his due when 
  Harry drove the fang through the book.  The movie order (fang/book 
  then phoenix) made Harry seem more heroic, but made the scene seem a 
  little less plausible.

I thought the movie order worked a lot better on the screen than the book order would have. The problem was just in the directing... phoenix swoops in, makes it all better, then Harry says "thanks"... sucked the life out what could have been a very good scene. But on the other hand, #1 this is a movie a lot of little kids are watching so seeing Harry really almost die is something they wanted to avoid, and #2 it would be worse if they made it too dramatic instead, IMO.

  2) Second, in Dumbledore's office, when Dumbledore told Harry to pick 
  up the sword, and Harry picked it up with both hands by its bloody 
  BLADE, rather than using the hilt.  Hmm, not such a sharp blade, 
  huh?  Made the audience laugh.  Obviously a directing problem.

Yeah this was just stupid, can't believe no one noticed it during filming.

  3) Third, the infamous Hermione returns to the Great Hall scene.  
  When Ron saw Hermione and smiled so big, the audience hooted and whoo-
  ed.  And then when Harry did the same, they started to laugh--like, 
  do they BOTH like her, jeez?  And it sort of continued through the 
  hug/handshake part.  I'm not sure Chris Columbus's idea for that 
  scene worked out as well as he intended.

Well, I don't think the part where Hermione returned was bad... lots of people were worried about her, and seeing her all right was a big deal. But the ending with Hagrid, complete with the "slow clap building to huge applause"... it wasn't actively BAD, it just didn't make a lot of sense, and wasn't the best way to end it. Hagrid and Hermione could both have returned, show everyone is happy, then go to the outside the castle view and end it there without the nonsense.

Overall though, I thought it was an amazingly good movie. I just don't understand what in the world people have been thinking to say it was disappointing (I'm new to the list and have been going through archives of the past few days). This movie, with an inferior story to work with compared to the first book, was a far superior movie to the first. It really captured the feeling of the books a lot better than the first movie, and included virtually everything that was possible to include in a realistic amount of time for a movie. I know that big fans would love a 5 hour movie that's exactly like the book, but that just isn't going to happen.

And not only was all of the good stuff included, they actually improved a lot of stuff. The flying car was way cooler than I imagined (though Harry falling out was unnecessary), the spider scene seemed lame in the book but was amazing in the movie, and the added jokes were pretty good. Overall, the huge amount of good things in this movie totally makes up for the few tiny shortfalls.

Besides is it that bad that Hermione, not Ron, explains what a mudblood is? After all, it was very unlike her to not know a well-known wizarding term in the book. Is it that bad that instead of having Dobby attack for no reason, Lucius Malfoy raises his wand to attack Harry first? He barely had any screen time and it backs up the impression the audience is supposed to get of him being evil or whatever. Sure, it doesn't make sense for him to attack Harry in public if you go by how well you know his character from reading all the books... but come on. Do these small problems really hurt the movie that bad?

I can understand some people not being crazy about this movie, but for a HP fan to not like it just doesn't make sense to me. It was much better than the first, and it along with Spirited Away are the two best movies I've seen in years.


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From aashby.aashby at verizon.net  Sun Nov 17 04:41:03 2002
From: aashby.aashby at verizon.net (theatresm2002)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:41:03 -0000
Subject: Snape look ill, or me nuts?
Message-ID: <ar76kv+qese@eGroups.com>

Saw it tonight...   hmmmmm... at least I got my Snape fix.  BUT... 
did anyone else (paticularly Snapegals) think Snape looked 
physically ill in his first scene?  

I actually thought this from looking at the pre-release images of 
that scene, and dismissed it as the lighting; but then some of the 
things Rickman chose to do in the scene (particularly the way he 
moved) made me wonder this again.  

Amy




From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Sun Nov 17 06:55:59 2002
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (Schlobin1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:55:59 EST
Subject: review
Message-ID: <d4.2031b60a.2b08977f@aol.com>

Well, I saw Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets a second time today. It 
was fun listening to Jesse's comments (when the Weasleys appeared in the 
Flying Ford Anglia outside of Harry's window in Surrey), Jesse said "Good 
thinking, Ron", and "I love Dobby". "That's Malfoy - he's evil!" "I know what 
a basilisk is, Mommy, it's a huge snake, close your eyes, quick, Mommy, or it 
will turn us to stone." Despite my overwhelmingly negative comments below, I 
did enjoy myself (probably because I'm a dyed in the wool Potterhead).

Nonetheless, my verdict of yesterday remains. It was very disappointing. The 
screen play was dreadful (Steve Kloves), and the directing (Chris Columbus) 
lived up to everyone's worst fears. The screenplay reminded me of a 
translation of the Odyssey that was word for word - as opposed to a looser 
and more creative translation that was poetic (Fitzgerald's for example). The 
screenplay has been faulted for slavishly following the book. However, in 
reality, it almost always omits the best jokes in the books, and with some 
exceptions* substitutes poor ones. (J.K. Rowling has been recently quoted to 
say that obviously she can't be compared to Tolkien who created a mythology, 
but that she thought she had better jokes. I agree, she does, but I have to 
say that it's equivalent to criticizing Beowulf or the Kalevala for not being 
more amusing). translation, for example). *{One of the exceptions is Ron 
trying to turn Scabbers the Rat into a goblet, and getting a goblet with fur 
and a rat's tail. Delightful}

CoS  seems to shy away from real emotion, to substitute bathos. It's almost a 
cartoon generated for the video game generation.

The movie almost seemed to be self-contained vignettes spliced together. It 
had no heart. It was pleasant and fun in spots, but not moving.

The best part of the movie were the sets, the visuals and the costumes. I 
eagerly anticipated seeing what people, places, and animals  "really looked 
like"?.Knockturn Alley, Dumbledore's office, including the spiral staircase,  
Fawkes, (the phoenix), the Burrow (home of the Weasleys), Lucius Malfoy, the 
Flying Ford Anglia, (as an enchanted vehicle transforming into a self-aware 
entity), the Mandrakes, 

Specifically, many of the actors did a great job within self-contained 
vignettes. Alan Rickman as the not very nice at all Professor Snape, got more 
time, and was great.
He was particularly effective in the scene where he tries to put the blame on 
Harry for petrifying Filch's cat, and in the dueling scene. Kenneth Branagh 
was a stitch. His costumes were superb. His gloves in the dueling scene, his 
vests, his capes, the picture of him painting a picture of himself (moving in 
the best wizard style) were wonderful. I had not realized he was satirizing 
his own reputation as self-aggrandizing. He was a perfect Lockhart. 

David Bradley as Argus Filch was perfect  - "I'm going to kill you" he says 
to Harry when he believes Harry has tried to kill his cat, Mrs. Norris - and 
later petting the cat and crying in the great hall. 

Jason Isaacs was WONDEFUL as Lucius Malfoy (I can't understand how some were 
shocked at how evil he is - after all, he's a Death Eater!). His costumes 
were perfect.
His cane (concealing his wand), the buckles on his cloak, the black velvet 
ribbon tying his long silver hair back?.terrific! He was convincingly nasty. 
(Again, I don't understand those who are surprised that Snape and Lucius 
treat Draco badly - where do you think evil people learn how to be evil?)

However, his beginning the Avada Kedavra curse against Harry is an example of 
how the screenplay makes mistake after mistake. Lucius is evil. His evil is 
deliberate and calculated. He is NOT going to perform one of the 
Unforgiveable Curses (penalty - a life sentence in Azkaban) on Harry Potter 
within the halls of Hogwarts. Even if Dumbledore would have allowed it 
(remember - Harry is safe at Hogwarts because he's under Dumbledore's special 
protection). It's not from the book. Why do it?

Another example of how the screenplay is faulty?when Ron and Harry are 
awaiting their fate re the Flying Ford Anglia, the movie has McGonagall 
rather than Dumbledore say the following:  "Not today, Mr. Weasley?.I must 
also warn you that if you do anything like this again, I will have no choice 
but to expel you." (quote is from the book). Then, of course, Dumbledore 
cannot say at the end.."I seem to remember telling you both that I would have 
to expel you if you broke any more school rules. Which goes to show that the 
best of us must sometimes eat our words." A wonderfully whimsical moment..

There is time in the movie for a very long spider sequence..This sequence is 
bad for a number of reasons. It's too long. The spiders pursuing the Anglia 
look as if someone is already calculating the profit from a PC or gameboy 
game. The portrayal of Ron borders on criminal (see below). There is time for 
Harry to be hanging from the Flying Ford Anglia?(your palms are sweaty - 
what's the point of including this). There is time for Percy to confront the 
fake Crabbe and Goyle and then Malfoy - this could easily have been skipped. 
There is time for injury to Malfoy in the Quidditch match (why didn't they 
leave it as written? It was plenty dramatic, and included Malfoy being 
scorned because he was laughing at Potter, while the Snitch was hovering 
around his ear). 

Yet many other scenes that would have been great are omitted. For example, 
the scene at the end where Arthur and Molly Weasley are at Hogwarts is left 
out. It would have been helpful to hear Arthur saying his wonderful line 
"Ginny! Haven't I taught you anything? What have I always told you? Never 
trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its 
brains? Why didn't you show the diary to me, or your mother? A suspicious 
object like that, it was clearly full of Dark Magic ----" In addition to 
illustrating one of those self-evident truths that is only self evident in 
the magical world of Hogwarts, therefore, making that world more real to us) 
it foreshadows that Arthur is not just a bumbling, sweet old Dad guy, 
obsessed with Muggles in an eccentric way, but a powerful, important wizard 
who probably would have been Minister for Magic. This comes out in the Goblet 
of Fire as Dumbledore gathers his allies against Voldemort (the old crowd). 

The movie as stated above seems to shy away from some real emotion. Molly 
Weasley's lecture to her sons about stealing the car is not very convincing. 
Read the section in the book again?"..for a short, plump, kind-faced woman, 
it was remarkable how much she looked like a saber-toothed tiger." The boys 
were really scared, not just looking subdued for show. Also, left out was 
Fred's muttering about Percy?

Also, left out was Arthur Weasley's punching Lucius Malfoy (I guess that that 
is too violent, whereas Harry consciously, deliberately stabbing Riddle's 
diary three times (which causes Riddle tremendous pain) in the chamber is 
okay - unlike the book where Harry "without thinking, without  considering?
.seized the basilisk fang on the floor next to him and plunged it straight 
into the heart of the book." I was really angry that Lucius Malfoy insults 
Hermione, Harry and all the Weasleys and gets no more than a stern look from 
Arthur Weasley. So..the film excises Arthur's socking Lucius, but 
manufactures scenes where Oliver Wood is thrown off his broom, and Draco 
Malfoy is injured at Quidditch. The scene from the book where Draco is 
ridiculed for taunting Potter while the Snitch was hovering over his ear is 
much better.

Oh, goodness, and when the Flying Ford Anglia is escaping with Harry, it 
almost sounds like the theme from E.T.!!!!

Chris Columbus should be shunned for what he did to Ron Weasley/Rupert Grint. 
Rupert was put through his paces like a performing bear - unlike the first 
movie, where he was delightful, he was forced to grimace and wail in the most 
unbecoming fashion.
I re-read the section of the CoS where they are meeting Aragog and the other 
spiders. Of course, Ron is terrified. If you read the books, you would know 
that his older brother changed his teddy bear into a spider, and he's been 
phobic/terrified of spiders ever since. But he does NOT behave in the book as 
he does in the movie?..he has become the bumbling, stupid Dr. Watson of the 
Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce movies?unlike the resourceful, brave Dr. Watson of 
the canon?.I was disgusted by Harry's "shush" and "what!" in the movie. 
Awful.

Those who have not read the book would have a hard time. They would not have 
a clue why it was significant that Hagrid burst into Dumbledore's office with 
a dead rooster in his hand. 

Columbus annoyed me further by putting his daughter Eleanor in the movie as 
Susan Bones from Hufflepuff. In CoS, she is ubiquitous showing up standing 
next to someone at every opportunity. Ychhh?.

Almost everyone agrees that Daniel Radcliffe/Harry Potter was better in this 
movie than the first (especially those who vociferously claim he was 
wonderful in the first). He was good in the scene with Fawkes when he was 
dying. But I wonder if someone keeps telling him "enunciate, enunciate". I 
didn't see much improvement.

Rowlings specifically portrays the children as children who are pre-sexual in 
this book. They don't become aware of each other sexually/romantically until 
the Goblet of Fire.
Yet, the screenplay decides that Hermione should hug Harry spontaneously but 
suddently become formal, with a handshake with Ron. Why? Also, there is that 
bathetic  scene where Harry is stroking Hermione's hand?ychhh..in the book, 
the boys don't bother to visit Hermione and only end up there because a visit 
to her has been used to distract Professor McGonagall from their rule 
breaking and real destination.

Dobby is the perfect House Elf, and the animation was great.  I think those 
drooling after Sean Biggerstaff  may decrease after this movie. Tom Felton 
(playing Draco Malfoy) had grown remarkably. He strode around the set with a 
fluid, serpentine grace, and his father did, too! He was unquestionably the 
most grown up member of the children's cast. 

Finally, for now, Richard Harris?.was obviously tired and slow in this movie 
but Dumbledore's kindness and care shone through?may he rest in peace.


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From illyana at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 17 07:37:41 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:37:41 -0700
Subject: my COS opinion
In-Reply-To: <ar73r3+uv4r@eGroups.com>
References: <ar73r3+uv4r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a02b9fcf62a1e51@[10.0.1.11]>

Hi! I am new to the group. I thought that, after seeing COS, i would 
like to have some intelligent conversation about the movie. All of 
the other HP groups I am in (except for the main HPFGU group) consist 
of teenage girls talking about how hot certain characters were in the 
movie. anyway...

I saw the movie twice yesterday, and the first time i did not like it 
at all. I had such high expectations, and so many good scenes were 
left out of the film. However, upon viewing it the second time, I 
liked it much better (probably because I already knew what was and 
was not going to be in the movie, and I could just concentrate on my 
favorite scenes).

I don't know if anyone else here has a livejournal, but I made a list 
of things I did not like about the movie (it pretty much consists of 
major differences between the book and the movie). I won't copy/paste 
it all on here, because some of them have been discussed and I do not 
want to be redundant. However, if you would like to read my thoughts 
on the movie (and there are a lot!), here is the first list I made: 
http://www.livejournal.com/talkpost.bml?journal=illyanadmc&itemid=49670 
and here are a few extra things I remembered while trying to fall 
asleep last night: 
http://www.livejournal.com/talkpost.bml?journal=illyanadmc&itemid=50082

Anyway, I'm glad that this group exists, because I like to talk about 
HP. A lot.

illyana
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From boredchocobo at attbi.com  Sun Nov 17 09:25:48 2002
From: boredchocobo at attbi.com (Chocobo)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 04:25:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Snape look ill, or me nuts?
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Message-ID: <001e01c28e1b$50e3c200$82647d18@Compuhon>

From: theatresm2002 



  Saw it tonight...   hmmmmm... at least I got my Snape fix.  BUT... 
  did anyone else (paticularly Snapegals) think Snape looked 
  physically ill in his first scene?  

I noticed this too, looked like he was fighting back nausea just to get the scene done and over with... it wouldn't be good if they had to stop production until he's feeling better.


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From bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 17 09:31:31 2002
From: bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com (bruinfan1988)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:31:31 -0000
Subject: Snape look ill, or me nuts?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c28e1b$50e3c200$82647d18@Compuhon>
Message-ID: <ar7nlj+m2pu@eGroups.com>

---
> From: theatresm2002 
>>   did anyone else (paticularly Snapegals) think Snape looked 
   physically ill in his first scene?  

> In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Chocobo" <boredchocobo at a...> wrote: 
> I noticed this too, looked like he was fighting back nausea just to 
get the scene done and over with... it wouldn't be good if they had 
to stop production until he's feeling better.

Yeah, I noticed it as well--and one of the people I saw it with 
actually whispered "What's wrong with him?" during the first 
closeup.  Hopefully it was just extra pale makeup or something

Leeanna




From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Sun Nov 17 15:18:39 2002
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:18:39 -0000
Subject: question - statute
Message-ID: <ar8c0f+shvq@eGroups.com>

What was the statue that Ron and Harry were skulking around
in the scene where they left the cakes for Crabbe and Goyle?

Susan




From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 17 17:18:48 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:18:48 +0000
Subject: Hagrid in CoS
Message-ID: <F104BEV5hDubiuj7u2M000064b7@hotmail.com>


Y'know, when I saw that last scene in the movie I had a major premonition.  
I was wondering what other people thought.

Spoiler space, just in case...

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Now, when I saw that last scene, where all the kids are gathering around 
Hagrid, and everybody's applauding, the first thing I thought was, "Uh, 
oh...it's for sure...Hagrid's gonna bite the big one in book five."  My bets 
were on Dumbledore, but now I've changed my mind.

Did anybody else think like this or is it just me?

-Gail B.




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From melclaros at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 17 18:05:40 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:05:40 -0000
Subject: Snape look ill, or me nuts?
In-Reply-To: <ar7nlj+m2pu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar8lpk+ctud@eGroups.com>


> >>   did anyone else (paticularly Snapegals) think Snape looked 
>    physically ill in his first scene?  
> 
> > In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Chocobo" <boredchocobo at a...> wrote: 
> > I noticed this too, looked like he was fighting back nausea just 
to 
> get the scene done and over with... it wouldn't be good if they had 
> to stop production until he's feeling better.
> 
> Yeah, I noticed it as well--and one of the people I saw it with 
> actually whispered "What's wrong with him?" during the first 
> closeup.  Hopefully it was just extra pale makeup or something


I'll? No. Terrifying? Absolutely! I think that was the point. I am a 
huge Snape fan and have been since book one and adore AR but you have 
to admit that the Movie Version of Snape is VERY watered down 
compared to the man in the book. That scene when he comes slithering 
out, white faced and livid from behind that desk was the first time 
we've seen the original (book version) Snape. Remember--we are 
supposed to be seeing this from Harry's POV. He is afraid of Snape, 
he has just been through a harrowing experience and now he's in the 
most fearsome place he can imagine being dressed down and threatened 
with expulsion by the most fearsome person he can think of (barring 
Voldemort himself). I have to admit, my dear Snape scared the **** 
outa me in that scene and I loved every minute of it, ESPECIALLY when 
during the close-up someone behind me gasped and said "oh wow!". YES! 
YES! YES! THAT, Ladies, is Severus Snape. He's a chameleon. He made 
up for it later in the duelling club didn't he? <Swoon!>

Melpomene




From editor at texas.net  Sun Nov 17 18:30:16 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:30:16 -0600
Subject: SPOILER: Snape and the duelling scene, was Lucius and the Curse
References: <ar6ah8+837j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <029a01c28e67$60868700$8804a6d8@texas.net>

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Wanda Sheratt said:
> I loved both those touches, too, especially Snape pulling Draco up
> and then shoving him right back into the match.  Actually, I very
> much liked Snape in this movie, especially that duelling scene.
> Even though he didn't have a lot of lines, I thought his acting
> conveyed a lot.  In most of his scenes, he is very controlled and is
> looking at Harry and his friends with narrowed eyes (not really very
> attractive, in my view); when Harry speaks the Parseltongue, I saw
> his eyes get really big with shock.  Even the body language (people
> have commented on how his reaction seemed slow) conveyed how big an
> event this was, and you could see his brain processing all the
> implications.  In fact, I think that Snape's reaction is what gives
> power to the next scene, where Ron and Hermione explain to Harry
> what being a Parseltongue implies.  Without that, it would be yet
> another "explanation" scene.

Splendidly put. I've seen the movie twice now, and I think, again, that
Snape is a larger presence in Harry's mind in the books than he ever is
actually in scenes. So in a movie, his screen appearances will never reflect
how much the thought of him looms over Harry in the books. Add to that, that
some Snape scenes must of necessity be edited, and you get reviews saying
that Rickman is underused. I think Alan Rickman made the absolute most of
the time he *was* onscreen, and conveyed something every single moment.

I had read the question about why he hesitated to deal with the snake.
Here's my thought, very much agreeing with yours: He was shocked.

I think he was, first and foremost, shocked to hear Parseltongue at all. It
can be argued that he had heard Voldemort speak it, and hearing it again
would have been a cold-water-splash, given his past. Then it was a shock to
hear it coming from Harry Potter, with the additional repercussions of his
feelings about Harry.

But he still could have responded more quickly, you say? Harry spoke to the
snake three times. The first two, the snake didn't seem all that responsive
to him; it was only after the third time that the snake shut its mouth and
subsided a bit. Only then did Snape step forward and remove it. I think
Snape was waiting to see what the snake's reaction would be to Harry.
Talking to snakes is one thing, having them listen to you is another.

Lastly, Snape's voice when he says the incantation to remove the snake is
shaken. No other word for it. You can hear it. Perhaps he did need some
recovery time after Harry spoke.

His shock is reinforced by the fact that they had Harry look up to him after
the snake was gone. Why would Harry do that? Other than to let them again
cut to Snape, eyes wide and startled and considering. Snape's reaction, as
much as Harry's speaking Parseltongue, was the message of this scene.

More thoughts when I have more time.

~Amanda




From mhale at museumofglass.org  Sun Nov 17 18:39:40 2002
From: mhale at museumofglass.org (Meredith Hale)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:39:40 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Yes! Yes! Yes!
Message-ID: <3CC72DABA90EFC4393E75D76A0E5674073FCA6@mog02.MG.COMM>

My thoughts exactly!  I would really like to have seen more Rickman (but when wouldn't I, really?) and the interaction with Snape and Lockhart was brilliant.  And I completely adored the way they protrayed Parseltongue.
 
Meredith

C'mon everyone - don't get so hung up on the minute details - enjoy it!

Caroline




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From editor at texas.net  Sun Nov 17 19:16:25 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:16:25 -0600
Subject: CoS SPOILERS: All Snape, and nothing but Snape
Message-ID: <02ae01c28e6d$d326a5a0$8804a6d8@texas.net>

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Okay. Being who I am, I must of necessity focus on Snape. The rest of the
movie was very nice, too, but I am here to make up for all the other
reviewers who glowed about all the other bits and added the afterthought
that Alan Rickman as Snape was good.

I know there wasn't much of Snape in this movie. But what there was kicked
ass. Here you go:

In Snape's Office:

I wish that they'd left it being Snape who finds Harry and Ron. Rickman
could have delivered that line bitingly. Ditto that to, "Excuse me, but I
believe *I* am the potions master at this school." I would love to hear
Rickman deliver *icily.*

I think that the scene in his office presages great and wonderful things for
what Rickman can do with PoA: the office confrontation with Harry, the
Shrieking Shack scene, and after Black's escape [join me in praying these
all survive the screenwriter and editor mainly intact]. Here in his office,
Snape is completely controlled; what he is doing is what he is intending to
do, but he is intending to project anger and he is terrifying. I think
Rickman as an actor is a bit over-the-top here, so some of Harry's
perception of peril is conveyed to the audience. It worked. He was perfect.

My husband Jan had pointed out that in the first movie, Rickman's
interpretation seemed to be trying to be, well, serpentine. Fixed stares,
abrupt shifts of attention--what a predator does. For those of us who have
seen Alan Rickman in many movies, fluidity is his norm, and the abruptness
of some of his movements stood out more. And in CoS, here we find him
stalking around the desk, projecting menace. No other word for it than
"stalking." Lovely.

I also saw no reason for Dumbledore to have come sailing in, appearing to
save the boys from him; Snape was not out of control, he was in the process
of telling the boys that their fate was not in his hands (along with what
that fate would have been if it *were*), and he yielded authority
immediately. Perhaps this, too, was to underline the boys' perception of the
danger they were in, that they felt Dumbledore had saved them.

In the hall when Mrs. Norris is found:

I thought they did very well with the timing of Snape's comments, allowing
for the exchange of disbelieving expressions among Harry, Ron, and Hermione
when he seems to be helping them, and then that, "However..." I think that
Rickman did a superb job of conveying skepticism with his expressions. And I
noticed that I found Snape less potent in the hallway than in his office; he
was simply an administrator helping to deal with the situation; he didn't
seem to have the focused venom that he did in his office. Which was
appropriate; Snape has no reason to be irate in the hallway; just deeply
suspicious. I did wish I'd have gotten to see Rickman doing the "peculiar
expression," trying very hard not to smile. Ah, we can't have everything.

Duelling scene:

I wanted Snape to look more irritated or be more clearly disgusted with
Lockhart. I would have loved a cut to Snape's expression when Lockhart comes
bouncing back with his "I let you do that" nonsense. But on the whole, I was
delighted with the blasting of Lockhart. I caught this out of the corner of
my eye the second time, but I *think* Snape does a little satisfied bounce,
like a "hah," after he's cast his curse and Branagh is tumbling through the
air; if I see it again, I must watch for that. The eye is naturally drawn to
the careening Lockhart at that time.

I thought the quirk of his mouth when Harry got blasted was perfect; not too
much, but enough. I thought his expression of irritation when Draco fell at
his feet, and he hauled him up and shoved him back towards Harry, was a
parallel of Lucius' expression when Draco crashes in the Quidditch match.
[This is probably my character blindness, but I honestly believe that Snape
realized Draco was unhurt, and might have stepped in otherwise; a contrast
to Lucius, who simply looks put out and inconvenienced when Draco truly *is*
hurt at the match...such is the strength of Isaacs' malevolent performance.]

My thoughts on Snape's reaction to Harry speaking Parseltongue, and why he
waited so long to take care of the situation, I have chronicled in an
earlier post.

What should have been the staffroom scene:

I liked what they left in. I wish more teachers would have joined in, but
Snape and McGonagall made a potent combination and adequately dealt with
Lockhart. I think the sentiments of the staffroom scene were conveyed
sufficiently.

In general:

I cannot stress strongly enough how much Rickman's use of expression *makes*
Snape. He is actively acting Snape 100% of the time he is onscreen. If he is
speaking, that's an added bonus, but just watching him *be* Snape is
rewarding. Here's hoping that some of the extra 18 minutes will have Snape
in them.

~Amanda







From melclaros at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 17 19:34:19 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:34:19 -0000
Subject: CoS SPOILERS: All Snape, and nothing but Snape
In-Reply-To: <02ae01c28e6d$d326a5a0$8804a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <ar8qvr+tndm@eGroups.com>

.
> 
> My husband Jan had pointed out that in the first movie, Rickman's
> interpretation seemed to be trying to be, well, serpentine. Fixed 
stares,
> abrupt shifts of attention--what a predator does. For those of us 
who have
> seen Alan Rickman in many movies, fluidity is his norm, and the 
abruptness
> of some of his movements stood out more. And in CoS, here we find 
him
> stalking around the desk, projecting menace. No other word for it 
than
> "stalking." Lovely.
> 


Absolutely. Snapeoholics will never have enough Snape until there is 
a "Life of Snape" movie made but hey...

Great analysis, I couldn't agree more. Rickman is perfect and I think 
he has a read on the character that far out reaches the director's! 
HOPEFULLY this new director will allow him to demonstrate it.
Continuing on the Serpent theme....several of my fellow Snape fans 
have commented that when he threw that spell at the duelling scene to 
get rid of the snake the way he pronouced it sounded a lot like 
parseltongue. No, it wasn't (it was gorgeous though, wasn't it? 
Espescially since Lockhart had just screwed it up) but just the way 
he said it and the way it sort of hung on Harry's conversation with 
the snake makes several of us wonder (I've wondered in the past 
anyway) Is Snape also a parselmouth?
BTW, I'm new here, just crossed over from the book site to see what 
the buzz was on the new movie and I must say I'm delighted to "meet" 
so many Snape afficianados!
Melpomene




From deidre at panix.com  Sun Nov 17 20:13:12 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:13:12 -0500
Subject: sunday night TV shows on Harry Potter
In-Reply-To: <1037534245.538.3145.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021117145941.04bf9ce0@pop.panix.com>

Wasn't quite sure where to post this, but there are two TV shows on Harry 
Potter tonight. The first one may depend on when your local PBS station has 
it scheduled, but mine has it at 6 PM EST tonight, Sunday. The program is 
titled: "Discovering the Real World of Harry Potter". My paper's tv guide 
has a blurb that reads: "The people, places and practices that have 
inspired author J. K. Rowling, including location footage in London and 
Paris." (1 hr)

Then, at 7 PM EDT, CNN, on its People in the News show has Harry Potter 
(and Mike Myers) for an hour.

Deidre




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Sun Nov 17 20:42:45 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:42:45 -0000
Subject: CoS SPOILERS: All Snape, and nothing but Snape
In-Reply-To: <ar8qvr+tndm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar8v05+mla0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "melclaros" <melclaros at y...> wrote:
 For those of us 
> who have
> > seen Alan Rickman in many movies, fluidity is his norm, and the 
> abruptness
> > of some of his movements stood out more. And in CoS, here we 
find 
> him
> > stalking around the desk, projecting menace. No other word for 
it 
> than
> > "stalking." Lovely.
 Rickman is perfect and I think 
> he has a read on the character that far out reaches the 
director's! 
> HOPEFULLY this new director will allow him to demonstrate it.

I realized just how the director and editor changed Rickman's 
portrayal when I saw the longer Potions scene in SS when the video 
came out.  When I saw him go charging over to Harry, get right in 
his face and hiss all those answers to the questions he'd just 
asked, it made the whole character look different.  Suddenly it 
matched up with his explosive entrance to the classroom - before, it 
had just seemed odd that he would come in so violently then go 
deadly quiet when addressing the class.  NOW, I realize that THAT is 
the real Snape - quick, decisive, active, and dare I say it, FIERY.  
The quiet voice and still body show the iron control, but 
underneath, we're meant to understand, is a very tempestuous 
character.  It matches up with the rest of Snape's appearances, too, 
both in SS and in CoS - how often does Snape enter or leave a scene 
*running*?  Even the quick way he turns his head to look at or 
address someone; Rickman's interpretation of Snape is really that of 
a man of action, not a cerebral plotter.  I hope that the next 
director doesn't obscure that interpretation - Rickman is really 
doing a very delicate job showing someone who is naturally active 
but keeping a lid on it.  It's all too easy to over-emphasize the 
quiet menace and leave out the other half.




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Nov 17 20:48:20 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:48:20 -0600
Subject: Review (SPOILERS) (long)
References: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <073601c28e7a$a9ecd4e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

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What I liked:

1.  Jason Isaacs -- Wow!  He was just superb.  Absolutely superb.  I don't know what I think about the "avada kedavra" debate -- I might have more thoughts after I see it a 3rd time this week.  But, boy, he was just awesome.  He really brought so much to the character.  I've never given much thought to Lucius before (yeah, sorry Heidi and Gwen).  Isaacs really did a fantastic interpretative job IMO.

2.  Radcliffe -- I'm surprised by the number of people who feel he's flat and has only a handful of emotions/expressions in his repertoire (politely bewildered, mystery-solver or hero were the 3 expressed IIRC).  I think he conveys quite alot with his eyes really.  He's said that CoS is his favorite of the books, and I think that comes through.  I also think his performance was considerably more mature than in the previous one -- I think he's progressing very well and will be more than up to the complexity of PoA.  

I thought the scene between he and Riddle in the chamber before Riddle called the basilisk was superb -- he hit that spot-on.  In fact, I'd say that the "I bet Dumbledore saw right through you" was the best-delivered line by anyone in the film.  His expression was *perfect.*  I thought he was incredibly intense and just did a spectacular job with this scene.

He can hardly be blamed for the absolutely horrific dialogue he was given for the post-Ginny-waking-up bit (more on that later).  In fact, I think to the extent there is fault with Radcliffe's performance in the movie overall, I'd put the blame for that mostly on the shoulders of Columbus and Kloves.  I think he's doing a great job with what he's given, and I look forward to PoA (my personal favorite) being under someone else's direction.  I hope Kloves is not the screenplay writer on that one (but suspect that sadly he probably is). 

I also thought he was very canon!Harry as someone mentioned in the confrontation with Lucius Malfoy at the bookstore.  I thought he had the right intensity and tone and that spunk and grit of canon!Harry there too.  And in Lockhart's office and in the bathroom before the Chamber was opened -- very nice delivery and tone there too.

3.  Related to #2 -- the Parseltongue.  I know Gulplum has said he hated this, but wow, oh wow, I just LOVED it.  I thought it added to the intensity and the darkening tone and the complexity of Harry.  Oh my gosh -- cannot say in strongly enough terms how much I absolutely LOVE that it was actually parseltongue and not English.  Wow.  That was the perfect decision, IMHO.  So, so, soooooo perfect.  

4.  The Anglia was well-done, and I loved the Burrow.  I'd have liked to see more of the Burrow -- Ron's room for instance.  I don't know the fellow's name, but I think the casting for Arthur Weasley was inspired.  He's going to be great if he sticks with the role. 

5.  McGonagall -- I just love Maggie Smith's McGonagall.  She's perfect.  I love Rickman too, though Amanda has already treated us to blow-by-blow of his performance so I'll skip it.  Branaugh was quite good as well.  In fact, I think the casting has overall been tremendously successful -- a really stellar cast.  I look forward to them all being under the direction of someone other than Columbus (more on that under "What I did not like" below).

6.  Quidditch -- much improved .... I felt alot less dizzy and like my contacts were unfocused.  Definitely better (though I completely agree that some of that could have been cut in favor of better transitions and pacing in the overall film).

7.  The Spiders -- this was well-done, though I think it did have somewhat too much Columbus over-the-top special effects feel to it.  I think it would have been more effective if (a) Ron's *fear* of spiders had been more emphasized -- he should have visibly backed off from the spiders and instead he just matter-of-factly says "I don't like spiders" and (b) the scene should have been shorter overall (maybe, as someone suggested, not having the car stop before they are out of the forest).

8.  Moaning Myrtle -- loved her performance -- a creepy Myrtle was perfect.  

9.  The Polyjuice scene --- those actors for Crabbe & Goyle really got the Dan and Rupert look down -- they used the same expressions and it was just very, very cool I thought.

10.  Emma Watson's Hermione -- she's great in the role I think, though I did find the tears at Hagrid's to be very un-canon!Hermione.  The one thing I do love about Kloves is that he has said that Hermione is his favorite character -- so I think he has done a decent job with her characterization.  I didn't think she was 'too smart" as someone else said, though I do think she displayed more confidence and thinking-on-her-feet than she does in the books so far.  Megan's grumbed that she thought the movie might be titled "Hermione Granger at Hogwarts" and wondered if Kloves has a thing for Watson.  No, it's just that Hermione is his favorite character (he apparently won JKR's heart when he said that).  :--) 

11.  The scene in Dumbledore's office after they are out of the Chamber -- I'm sooooooo eternally thankful that Kloves didn't screw with that dialogue as I think it's some of the best in the series.  All the great lines are more or less intact, and I think it was well-done.  I'm not a super fan of Harris' Dumbledore (so I too am somewhat pleased there will be another one) .... but I think this scene was close to what I might have hoped for.  Radcliffe certainly handled it very nicely (well ... except for picking up the sword by the blade --- I agree that this definitely didn't work).

12.  Not enough Oliver Wood -- not nearly enough Oliver Wood.  In my theater too, the squeals of women in the audience certainly overshadowed the dialogue for a few seconds.  Yes -- use more of Biggerstaff next movie.   :--)

What I did NOT like:

1.  Ron's characterization -- Okay, I'm not exactly Mr. Fan-of-Ron by any means, but I also don't see him as the scared & stupid sidekick that he seems to be in the CoS Movie.  I know everyone is blaming Kloves & Columbus for this, and primary blame probably must lie with them, but I do note that Grint himself says that "Ron is scared of everything" in many interviews I've seen with him.  So, to some extent, I think Grint is interpreting Ron in this manner, and I can't quite figure out where he comes up with that.  Strange.  I think we do see sparks that Grint can be a promising actor (the scene in Lockhart's office), and he was certainly the show-stealer in the previous movie.  I'm disappointed with what they did with his comic abilities and the overall characterization in this one though. 

2.  I didn't like the "just leave him there" line from Professor Sprout.  The audience really laughed both times I saw it, but it just didn't sit right with me.   

3.  Must echo what many others have said about Columbus, Kloves, pacing and editing.  I agree with everything that VJH wrote about how the screenplay could have been rearranged & edited so that film would have been far more effective and subtle (and use the same amount of time).  I agree that the film is still choppy, though improved over SS on that front IMO.  Transitions are clearly a real problem for Columbus and his editors.  I do so hope that Kloves is not butchering PoA as we speak.  I really think it's time to get another screenplay writer to pair with the new director.  Of all the books, PoA can sooo be Oscar material if done right.  

The special effects were overall very improved over the SS film; however, Columbus really needs to learn that "less is more."  Less is more.  I would have liked to see considerably more subtlety in this film.  Unfortunately, it's obvious that thus far (at least under Columbus' helm), the films *are* being primarily targeted to children.  This is tragic, since the books have such widespread cross-generational appeal.  I really hope that with PoA and GoF, WB starts to shift the emphasis and bring to life the darkness, complexity and subtlety of these books.  

4.  The Great Hall scene at the end.  Bleh.  The H/H'er in me didn't mind the H/H hug (<g>), but the whole thing with Hagrid's appearance and Harry hugging him and the escalating applause and blaring music -- bleh, bleh, bleh.  I agree that they should have just done a more subtle look at the feast in the Great Hall and then panned out to the castle or the Hogwarts Express leaving or something.  Anything would have been better than the sugar overload.     

Things I'm neutral about (didn't love or hate) --

1.  Dobby - I pictured him in my head as overall lime-green, rather than the ET-ish brown .... but he was fine.  He was not as annoying frankly as he is in the books.

2.  The basilisk -- it was okay I think -- not terrific, but not horrible either.  

3.  Ginny -- as with canon, there's nothing much to love or hate -- she's just a non-entity background character.  Odd though really that this, her shining moment in canon, is such a low point for her characterization.  

Penny
(who can't wait to go see it again ... and again.... and again)

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sun Nov 17 20:54:14 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:54:14 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Posting Articles vs. Posting Links
Message-ID: <075001c28e7b$7cce1f40$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi all --

A reminder: please do not cut & paste the text of an entire article into
your message -- not even if you credit the source.  This is a violation of
intellectual property law, and we have no choice but to delete the message.

You may post a link to an online article or review.  You may also quote
small sections of an article if you wish to discuss specific points from the
article or review (but you can't quote large chunks of it in any case).
It's safest overall really to just provide a link, with your own commentary.

Thanks,

Penny
for the Mods





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov 17 20:53:40 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:53:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Yes! Yes! Yes!
References: <53.1f51b4d5.2b06fd32@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001701c28e7b$69274ca0$4ea2cdd1@istu757>

Caroline writes:

> C'mon everyone - don't get so hung up on the minute details - enjoy it!

Thank you Caroline. :)  I am reminded of seeing PS/SS while reading the
book.  As I've said before, I was half way through PS/SS when the movie came
out on DVD.  Bought the DVD, watched it--loved it, ran to finish the book.
Then went back and watched the movie again.  I, for a brief time, fell into
a "that's not in the book" and "what about _____" mode.  What about the
potions/ logical part that Hermione solves?  What about Harry's flute?  Why
is Ron on a horse, he's supposed to just stand there like everybody else.
Why is everything wrong in the final chamber?  Then I realized that if they
had done everything "just right" it would've taken another hour.  Critics
were already hyperventalating over a 2 1/2 hour "children's" movie.  So I
got over it.  And still love the first movie, and its rewatchability.  My
one lasting complaint is that the final scene with Quirrellmort and Harry is
cheated.  He crumbles.  He's supposed to burn.  However, if they had done it
like the book, it would've been a little gross.  Maybe a lot gross.  Plus an
awful lot of screaming (Quirrell screaming, Harry screaming, Voldemort
screaming).  My complaint was that basically Harry looked like a wimp.
Voldemort vapor went through him, he fell down, next thing you know he's
waking up in the hospital.  Why?  Did he bang his head falling?  There was
no real reason for it as in the book.

Anyway, how did I get off on that?  Basically I think a lot of things in the
new movie are put in there because it is considered a children's movie.
Whether we think of it that way or not. :)  WB doesn't really care about
making a good movie.  Not really.  They care about making a movie that will
make a lot of money.  And the more things you can find for kids to like, the
more toys they can make and the more money they (and everybody else) can
make.   For example, so much of the flying car.  Kids will like it.  It's
fun.  It's exciting.  We can make a Flying car (okay, I confess, I have the
Mattel Weasley flying car).  We can make a Whomping Willow game (No, I don't
have it!--yet).  A Basilisk attack set (naturally).  A flying car spider web
race car sort of thing. (Weird, don't have it, not getting it).  We can make
action figures (I have eight of them so far), trading cards,  t-shirts and
so on.  Which, I might add, I was delighted to discover that I can wear a
boy's XL t-shirt.  So I now have a red Harry playing Quidditch shirt and a
black Harry in the chamber with the sword shirt.  :)

So anyway, sad but true, for WB it really is about money.  Nothing else.  So
my decision is to forget the nitpicking and enjoy what is there.

Oh, and back to the sir/ma'am thing.  Didn't Harry say "Thank you Sir" to
Lockhart after he said good luck at the duel?

Richelle

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"May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."
---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Nov 17 21:30:32 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:30:32 -0600
Subject: CoS soundtrack
Message-ID: <004801c28e80$8fc7f6c0$4ea2cdd1@istu757>

Well, after listening to the CoS soundtrack at least seven or eight times (yes, I've been in the car a LOT this weekend!) I thought I'd post a few comments.

First of all, the soundtrack says all music (at least on the CD) is composed by John Williams.  Adapted and Conducted by William Ross.  I'm assuming a lot of what William Ross did was rearranging John Williams music from the first movie?  Perhaps?  Notably missing from the soundtrack was any "Quidditch" music.  What was done there?  Music written entirely by William Ross perhaps?

A few other comments:

I *loved* the Fawkes theme.  At first I thought it was so-so.  Then as it reappears in other music later on (such as in the "Dueling the Basilisk" section) it really stands out.  

I also loved the "Meeting Tom Riddle" music, the way it changed to the theme from SS/PS for Voldemort.  Perfect.

Gilderoy Lockhart's theme is perfect.  Brilliant.  Very Lockhart. I like how it's included in the Dueling scene music as well.

Spider music--very spidery.  

The Flying car music--parts of this were from the first movie (must be when they caught sight of Hogwarts), but some of it was new.  When I first heard it I said, must be the flying car.  Checked the case, and yep, I was right.

The Dueling the Basilisk music is good.  Really good.  Might be a bit loud at times, but it's very dramatic.

Well, I guess that's enough of that!

Richelle

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---- Lady Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
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From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Sun Nov 17 21:43:34 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:43:34 -0000
Subject: CoS SPOILERS: All Snape, and nothing but Snape
In-Reply-To: <02ae01c28e6d$d326a5a0$8804a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <ar92i6+7cco@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
  I thought his expression of irritation when Draco fell at
> his feet, and he hauled him up and shoved him back towards Harry, 
was a
> parallel of Lucius' expression when Draco crashes in the Quidditch 
match.
> [This is probably my character blindness, but I honestly believe 
that Snape
> realized Draco was unhurt, and might have stepped in otherwise; a 
contrast
> to Lucius, who simply looks put out and inconvenienced when Draco 
truly *is*
> hurt at the match...such is the strength of Isaacs' malevolent 
performance.]
> 

That's a very good point, and I hadn't thought of comparing the two 
reactions.  I think Snape does have the advantage - he looked 
irritated with Draco, yes, but when he dragged him to his feet and 
immediately pushed him back into the duel, I thought of the old "if 
you fall off the horse, you immediately get back up again" method of 
teaching.  Snape was being tough, but he was also being a teacher, 
not just using Draco to punish Harry.  I think he would be 
thinking, "My students have to be the best, the toughest, the most 
resilient - no whimpering and snivelling!"  In that sense, he is at 
least thinking of what is best for someone else, not just acting 
selfishly.  Lucius, though, DOES come across as entirely cold and 
selfish.  Draco's failure is only important because it reflects 
poorly on HIM.

Wanda
 




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 17 21:53:18 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:53:18 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Review (SPOILERS) (long)
In-Reply-To: <073601c28e7a$a9ecd4e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
References: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com> <073601c28e7a$a9ecd4e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <8612477459.20021117135318@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Sunday, November 17, 2002, 12:48:20 PM, pennylin at swbell.net wrote:

> 1.  Ron's characterization -- Okay, I'm not exactly Mr. Fan-of-Ron by
> any means, but I also don't see him as the scared & stupid sidekick
> that he seems to be in the CoS Movie.  I know everyone is blaming
> Kloves & Columbus for this, and primary blame probably must lie with
> them, but I do note that Grint himself says that "Ron is scared of
> everything" in many interviews I've seen with him.  So, to some
> extent, I think Grint is interpreting Ron in this manner, and I can't
> quite figure out where he comes up with that. 

Just a quick question about the above:
in which interviews did you hear him say this, because I
watched all of them and the only one who said Ron was scared
all the time was a little boy at a preview and Oprah.

I haven't heard RG himself say anything besides the fear of
spiders and was wondering which interviews I have missed.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From nithya_rachel at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 17 22:37:01 2002
From: nithya_rachel at hotmail.com (nithya_rachel)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:37:01 -0000
Subject: Flabby Snape?
Message-ID: <ar95md+mq78@eGroups.com>



Ok, I don't want people yelling at me, especially after so many 
people have said Snape was just right in this film....but didn't the 
facial make up for Rickman leave something to be desired? Snape was 
more pasty pale, with more of a sag to his cheeks - some what more 
puffy than in PS/SS...I was dissapointed.

Now don't get me wrong - I simply ADORE Rickman as Snape. He was my 
highlight in the previous movie, much like Jason Issacs is in this 
one. I went to the move more for my Snape fix than I'd be willing to 
admit...and thats why I'm nitpicking! :)

In the books, Snape menaces more by his arrogance, and sweeping 
movements are more his style (bat-like imagery). Here, it was more a 
creepy kind of scary.I felt that Rickman had to work extra hard to 
bring out the arrogant, cold Snape given that he mostly had just his 
eyes to work with - He's muffled up to his neck making only sideways 
tilts of his head at all noticeable, and the puffy cheeks usually 
hamper his mouth....oh well, that could also be just me! He wasn't 
clean-cut in the first move to begin with.

Overall, Snape was great..but didn't quite live up to the promise of 
the last movie. Maybe I should go see both again and verify that!

Errol
Who was absolutely character assasinated in the movie. (Did they 
think I was Pig?)




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Sun Nov 17 23:21:21 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1904 08:46:04 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler; review
Message-ID: <v01540b000012abd73a1c@[195.184.231.95]>

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Schlobin at aol.com said:-

(huge snip)

> Also, there is that
>bathetic  scene where Harry is stroking Hermione's hand???ychhh..in the book,
>the boys don't bother to visit Hermione and only end up there because a visit
>to her has been used to distract Professor McGonagall from their rule
>breaking and real destination.

Small quibble; the boys were *not allowed* to visit Hermione; Madam Pomfrey
wouldn't let them in to the hospital wing on the grounds that (wtte) 'we
can't be too careful...we think that the monster is going to come back and
finish them off'.

It's at the beginning of the chapter called Aragog; I read it to my small
nephew this afternoon. I have refused to take him to see the film until he
has read the book, on the grounds that he gets scared easily, and
forewarned is forearmed!

Regards,
Nicholas





From jmmears at comcast.net  Mon Nov 18 01:50:09 2002
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:50:09 -0000
Subject: CoS Review (too long)
Message-ID: <ar9h0h+3tt3@eGroups.com>

I have to admit that I was concerned about this movie before I saw 
it.  The trailers all looked great and the advance word seemed very 
good, but The Washington Post is my local daily paper and I have 
huge respect for Steven Hunter and his reviews.  He's one of the few 
critics whose reviews I read (even if I have no interest in the film 
in question) just because they are so well written and his opinions 
usually very astute.  So you can imagine my distress when I eagerly 
dove into the paper on Thursday morning to read his very negative 
("big, dull, and empty???)impressions.

That said, it was a great relief to find that when I finally saw the 
movie, I couldn't agree with Hunter this time.  I really (along with 
just about everyone else) thought that it was mostly wonderful and a 
big improvement over PS/SS.  However, Hunter still made some very 
good points that great fans of the books are mostly willing to 
overlook because we know and love the books so well that we can fill 
in what is missing without really noticing that the presentation of 
the story on film is greatly lacking in several areas.  I am very 
glad to have a new director for PoA, but I only wish there was going 
to be a new screenwriter.  I know that Mr. Kloves won JKR's approval 
before the first movie, but I wonder what her real impression is of 
the liberties he has taken with her carefully built story.  I really 
don't think he really gets the complexity of all the characters.  

Fortunately, the movies have been cast just about perfectly IMO.  
Actors like Maggie Smith, Alan Rickman, Kenneth Branagh, etc really 
seem to have understood what their characters are really about and 
within the limits of the script (and direction), really manage to 
convey much of the depth that would otherwise go missing. Jason 
Issacs was nothing short of brilliant as Malfoy Sr. and I just wish 
he was going to be in PoA, because I don't want to have to wait for 
GoF to see him again.  His portrayal actually added to the rather two
dimensional Lucius in the books so far.

I also loved Daniel Radcliffe's Harry.  I was a bit dissappointed in 
the first movie because Harry seemed rather wan and spiritless 
through most of it.  I knew that Radcliffe was a good actor having 
seen his very impressive performance in David Copperfield (when he 
was at least a year or two younger), so I wondered why his 
performance in PS/SS seemed so limp.  In CoS, though he is really 
the Harry I love.  His dialogue with Tom Riddle was really excellent 
and he completely held his own all through the movie.  I suppose I 
should give some credit to Columbus for correcting this problem, but 
I'm inclined to give most of it to Daniel.

Kenneth Branagh was really brilliant as Lockhart, who just irritated 
me in the books.  He had such fun with the part, that I found that I 
didn't mind Gilderoy's screen-time nearly as much as his page-time.
Is it just me, or was Hermione's massive crush on Lockhart barely 
noticable?  Except for the dreamy look in the first DADA class, it 
was imperceptable and if I hadn't read the books, I'd have missed it.

Unlike some earlier posters, I thought that Alan Rickman was even 
better in this movie than the first.  His Snape is so deep and full 
of subtlety, and he showed this to much greater effect this time 
IMO.  It seemed to me that when he was confronting Ron and Harry 
about the flying car, he actually looked as if he was deeply 
distressed about more than the rule-breaking.  Maybe I'm reading 
more into this than Rickman meant to convey, but I suspect that 
whatever JKR told him about Snape's backstory was being put to good 
use there.  I was a bit surprised by his rough treatment of Draco 
during the duel.  I can't recall anywhere in the books where he 
behaves this way toward Malfoy, so I didn't know what to make of it.

I absolutely LOATHED what Kloves and Columbus did to Ron's 
character.  I'm the first to admit that I am a huge fan of Ron's and 
all the Weasleys, but there was absolutely no excuse for reducing 
him to a cowardly clown.  They also built Hermione up at 
Ron's expense, and threw the dynamics of the trio totally off-
balance.  There is absolutely no logical reason for Hermione to give 
the mudblood explaination and get all teary in Hagrid's cabin.  She 
is *not* the expert on the wizarding world and it's completely 
implausable that she would have picked up the term "mudblood" from 
any of her textbooks, since the term is never used in polite company 
by decent wizards.  The bit where she freezes *all* the pixies in 
midair and EXPLODES the bludger attacking Harry also were wrong, 
wrong, wrong.  At this rate, it will be Hermione whose leg is broken 
in PoA, and who stands up to Sirius Black while Ron cowers, 
whimpering in the corner! Hermione is a great character in the books 
and it actually does a disservice to her to make her into the all- 
knowing, all-powerful Wonderwoman. What is up with Kloves?  He 
really needs 
to re-read the books, and I really hope that JKR gets involved with 
the movies again so that she can correct this.

Other than the lame and rather pointless final scene with the hug, 
and the overdone welcome for Hagrid (who, sadly really must be toast 
in book 5), I really enjoyed the rest of the movie and hope that the 
current actors (especially the trio) stay with the rest of the 
series.  I just want Steve Kloves to move on and hand the 
screenwriting duties on to someone who can adapt the books without 
misinterpreting the characters, and who has a better ear for how 
British people speak.  Is that asking too much?

Jo Serenadust, who also thought that Harris was a lovely Dumbledore 
this time, and who will miss him in the future films




From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 01:50:59 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:50:59 -0000
Subject: Question (CoS)
Message-ID: <ar9h23+6a64@eGroups.com>

Don't know if this is a spoiler. So,


s
p
o
i
l
e
r


Does anyone have a clue who the woman sitting next to Snape in the 
feast is? Just curious. She didn't appear anywhere else in the movie.

-VJH




From mhale at museumofglass.org  Mon Nov 18 02:00:30 2002
From: mhale at museumofglass.org (Meredith Hale)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:00:30 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question (CoS)
Message-ID: <3CC72DABA90EFC4393E75D76A0E5674073FCC1@mog02.MG.COMM>

I think it's Madame Pince.  She appears in the library scene where the Hufflepuffs are glaring at Harry.  I thought at first it was Prof. Sinistra, but second viewing I noticed her in the library.
 
Meredith

-----Original Message-----
From: vincentjh [mailto:vincentjh at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:51 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question (CoS)


Don't know if this is a spoiler. So,


s
p
o
i
l
e
r


Does anyone have a clue who the woman sitting next to Snape in the 
feast is? Just curious. She didn't appear anywhere else in the movie.

-VJH


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From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Mon Nov 18 02:37:21 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:37:21 -0600
Subject: Sirius Consideration
Message-ID: <3DD85261.8070200@kingwoodcable.com>

Has anyone considered Bariel Byrne? I found this suggestion on a livejournal I 
was reading. I didn't recognize the name at first, but recognized him 
immediately when I went to his website www.gabrielbyrne.com.

He certainly looks the part, and I think he'd do a fine job - based on what I've 
seen him in before.

Katze





From aberforth at wizardingwireless.net  Mon Nov 18 02:39:45 2002
From: aberforth at wizardingwireless.net (Dave Haber)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:39:45 -0800
Subject: COS: New Incantations
Message-ID: <015301c28eab$c4f15fa0$6401a8c0@gryffindor>

Has anyone been able to document the new spells used in the Chamber of Secrets movie?  I'm not sure I even remember where they all were, but a few are:

1. When Snape destroys the snake Malfoy created with Serpensortia
2. The spell that seems to force things away, Harry used it to get the spider of Ron in the car, I believe the same spell was used elsewhere in the movie

I'd like to add these as soon as possible to the spells database on wizardingwireless.net (click on "Kwikspell Spell Assistant" to play with it).  Any help is greatly appreciated.

    -Dave

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From aberforth at wizardingwireless.net  Mon Nov 18 02:47:12 2002
From: aberforth at wizardingwireless.net (Dave Haber)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:47:12 -0800
Subject: COS Intermission in the UK?
Message-ID: <015c01c28eac$cf557ac0$6401a8c0@gryffindor>

I recently learned that movies in the UK routinely have intermissions somewhere in the middle of the movie.

Could someone in the UK please confirm, 1) that there was an intermission for COS when you saw it and 2) exactly where it came in the movie (after/before what scene, etc.)

Thanks.

    -Dave

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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 18 03:05:31 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:05:31 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CoS Review (too long)
In-Reply-To: <ar9h0h+3tt3@eGroups.com>
References: <ar9h0h+3tt3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <13831212574.20021117190531@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Sunday, November 17, 2002, 5:50:09 PM, jmmears at comcast.net wrote:

>  At this rate, it will be Hermione whose leg is broken 
> in PoA, and who stands up to Sirius Black while Ron cowers, 
> whimpering in the corner! Hermione is a great character in the books 
> and it actually does a disservice to her to make her into the all- 
> knowing, all-powerful Wonderwoman. What is up with Kloves?  He 
> really needs 
> to re-read the books, and I really hope that JKR gets involved with 
> the movies again so that she can correct this.

Can I just say I agree with the above 100%!

I've been wondering if JKR actually looks at the script and
approves it before filming begins, or if she now totally
leaves it in Kloves' and the director's hands.

I'm also already worried about the changes they will make in
the next movie, especially regarding Ron in the shrieking
shack scene.

My visions are similar to what you describe above.

Hermione "Superwitch" will have all the lines and bravery,
while Ron is relegated to whimper and cringe in the corner.

Maybe he won't even push Harry out of the way.

I hope this won't be the case, but the way they treated
Ron's character in CoS (I thought he was definitely safe in
this one), I'm not reassured.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Nov 18 03:19:56 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:19:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
References: <ar6i56+3hjd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c28eb1$5f24d480$eea2cdd1@istu757>

> >  S
> >
> >  P
> >
> >  O
> >
> >  I
> >
> >  L
> >
> >  E
> >
> >  R
> >  *
> >  *
> >  *
> >
> >  S
> >
> >  P
> >
> >  A
> >
> >  C
> >
> >  E
> >  *
> >  *
> >  *
> >  *
>
> bboy_mn adds:
>
> Dobby shows more concern for Harry's safety than he does for his own
> life. Lucuis has a reason for the AK curse and is also threatening
> Harry at the same time.
>
> I think if nothing else, this points out that a little forethought and
> a few more minutes of movie time, and these things could have been
> easily solved.

I just had a thought.  Perhaps Jason Isaacs actually suggested that Lucius
start "Avada . . ."  He has stated that he read the books, so he would know
about the curse.  He'd know exactly who Lucius was and what he was up to.
But he may not have studied them carefully enough to think about it being
irrational.

An example, in an interview it was said that Isaacs came up with the "Let us
hope Mr. Potter will always be around to save the day." Followed by Harry's
"Don't worry, I will be."  All in a moment of improvisation, and telling
Daniel what to say (and how to say it).  Chris Columbus liked it, and kept
it.  Perhaps something similar happened with the "Avada" part.

Richelle




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon Nov 18 03:23:35 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:23:35 -0600
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
Message-ID: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>

Hi all,

For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, what were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge fan of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes and favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some besides all the Lucius lines. :)

Oh, and one question.  Can someone tell me exactly what happens in Herbology involving Neville?  I saw a clip and what was shown didn't make a lot of sense to me, so perhaps something was left out of the clip.  Or not?

Thanks!

Richelle

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From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Nov 18 03:30:40 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:30:40 -0600
Subject: Rupert on Ron
References: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com> <073601c28e7a$a9ecd4e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
 <8612477459.20021117135318@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002401c28eb2$de3edda0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

I said:
<<<<but I do note that Grint himself says that "Ron is scared of
> everything" in many interviews I've seen with him.  So, to some
> extent, I think Grint is interpreting Ron in this manner, and I can't
> quite figure out where he comes up with that.>>> 

Susanne asked:
<<<<<Just a quick question about the above:
in which interviews did you hear him say this, because I
watched all of them and the only one who said Ron was scared
all the time was a little boy at a preview and Oprah.

I haven't heard RG himself say anything besides the fear of
spiders and was wondering which interviews I have missed.>>>>>>>>>

Actually, he most definitely said it in the Oprah special this year.  I'd go check where in the segment myself, but my husband has the TV at the moment.  If you have it on tape, watch it again.  If you want, I can also watch it sometime this week & transcribe the exact remark here.  He also said something similar in one of last year's specials -- I'm thinking the Rosie show but I could be wrong about that.  

I also found this in the "16 Special" Harry Potter edition from 2001:

Rupert, in answering the question how he is similar to Ron, says: "Ron is a wimp and I get scared easily too."

Rupert *definitely* thinks of Ron as a wimp who is scared easily -- he really has made that abundantly clear several times.  It's strange, as I said, because even though I don't think alot of Ron's character (to say the least!), I definitely wouldn't say that cowardice or wimpiness is one of his traits.  So ......for what it's worth, I think Grint must bear some of the brunt for what's happened to Ron's character.  He does the "scared" expression very well indeed ..... but it was sooooo overdone & unnecessary.

Penny




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susanne 
  To: Penny Linsenmayer 
  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Review (SPOILERS) (long)




  Hi,

  Sunday, November 17, 2002, 12:48:20 PM, pennylin at swbell.net wrote:

  > 1.  Ron's characterization -- Okay, I'm not exactly Mr. Fan-of-Ron by
  > any means, but I also don't see him as the scared & stupid sidekick
  > that he seems to be in the CoS Movie.  I know everyone is blaming
  > Kloves & Columbus for this, and primary blame probably must lie with
  > them, 
  -- 
  Best regards,
  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net


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From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 03:39:36 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:39:36 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <ar9ndo+113vi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, 
what were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge 
fan of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes 
and favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some 
besides all the Lucius lines. :)
> 
> Oh, and one question.  Can someone tell me exactly what happens in 
Herbology involving Neville?  I saw a clip and what was shown didn't 
make a lot of sense to me, so perhaps something was left out of the 
clip.  Or not?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Richelle

Neville passes out when they pull those ugly little mandrakes out of 
the pot to replant them.  Sprout says (my paraphrasing), "Mr. 
Longbottom's been neglecting his earmuffs."  And Seamus says, "No, 
ma'am, he's just fainted."  Sprout says, "Ah, well, just leave him 
there, then."   Hehehe.

Hmmm, favorite quotes.  Wow, there were so many!  One that was funny 
was when Ron and Harry made the cakes float so that Crabbe and GOyle 
would find them.  The two boys see them floating, stuff them in 
their mouths, and Ron says, "How thick can you get?"  Tickled my 
funny bone.

I LOVED it when Malfoy was repotting the mandrake and it bit his 
finger :D.  No quote there but it was a lovely moment.  

I don't know about anyone else, but I really liked all the action at 
the Dursley house, before Ron, Fred and George showed up to rescue 
Harry.  My favorite was when Dobby went flying down the stairs and 
Harry went after him.  Dobby was looking at the pudding and Harry 
does a stage whisper and says, "Dobby!  Get back here!", while 
pointing at the floor in front of him. Pretty funny.

I did love how the howler stopped howling at Ron and turned to 
Ginny, saying, "Ginny, dear, congratulations on making Gryffindor.  
Your father and I are so proud of you."  Then it turns to Ron, 
sticks it's tongue out (makes the rude noise, too) and then rips 
itself up!  Loved it.

Well, I did run on, didn't I?  Sorry, Richelle!  You got more than 
you bargained for! ;)

Alora





From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 03:43:56 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:43:56 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <ar9nls+sfrn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, 
what were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge 
fan of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes 
and favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some 
besides all the Lucius lines. :)


Eeeep, I thought of another great quote.  When the trio takes the 
polyjuice potion, and Ron comes out of the stall, he says, "Bloody 
Hell!"  Harry tells him to say it a little lower, to try and sound 
like Crabbe.  So Ron says, (lower) "BLOODY HELL"  :D  Funny!  

Honestly, my only nickpick with the movie was that Hermione got some 
of Ron's best lines from the book.  I can't imagine why, but she 
did.  She got to explain the term "mudblood" when I thought Ron 
should do that.  That's my only beef with the movie.  All right, 
Alora out! 

ALora




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 18 03:59:30 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:59:30 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Rupert on Ron
In-Reply-To: <002401c28eb2$de3edda0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
References: <ar4lna+jc1f@eGroups.com> <073601c28e7a$a9ecd4e0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
 <8612477459.20021117135318@earthlink.net>
 <002401c28eb2$de3edda0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <5334452198.20021117195930@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Sunday, November 17, 2002, 7:30:40 PM, pennylin at swbell.net wrote:

>  So ......for what it's worth, I think
> Grint must bear some of the brunt for what's happened to Ron's
> character. 

I have to admit I don't blame any of the kids.

They certainly didn't write the screen play or had much
input in how to play their characters, imo.

Looking at their interviews, neither of them seem like the
kind of kid who'd say: Listen, this is how *I* think this
should be played! ;)

Anyway, there was such a marked difference between how Ron
was portrayed in SS and CoS, and Columbus even said he was
going to really explore RG's comedic talent.

I sure hope the new director has *some* input in the script
writing and has read all the books.

The characterization of Harry, Hermione *and* Ron were way
off in CoS to me.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From ravenclaw775 at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 04:10:38 2002
From: ravenclaw775 at aol.com (ravenclaw775 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:10:38 EST
Subject: Basilisk Sense of Smell/Jason Isaacs
Message-ID: <3d.27bf8829.2b09c23e@aol.com>

I don't know if this was covered already, but to the person who complained 
about the basilisk being able to smell, I'm with you, but for a different 
reason.  Snakes smell with their tongues - they taste the air.  At first, the 
basilisk never showed its tongue, so that made sense to me.  Unfortunately at 
the very end of the battle, the basilisk begins hissing and whipping with its 
tongue. It's a bit scary, but it made me wonder - the darn thing's taking 
scent as all snakes do - with its tongue.  Why didn't they think of that?

All in all, I liked the look of the movie, but didn't get the same spirit 
from this one as from the first movie.  Will join in the bravos for Jason 
Isaacs - I've been a fan since the Patriot.  He's a great villian (and not so 
bad in Black Hawk Down - and in a tiny part - Windtalkers). However, only 
true fans should watch Sweet November.  Are you ready for Loo-see-us in drag 
(a nice sparkly, form-fitting number, if I remember correctly)?  If you are, 
by all means....rent it.
--
Christine


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From jmmears at comcast.net  Mon Nov 18 04:47:07 2002
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:47:07 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
Message-ID: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

In my earlier lengthy rant, I forgot to mention something that 
Kloves/Columbus had Ron do that really was shockingly OOC, IMO.  In 
the chamber after Lockhart has had Ron's wand backfire on him, he 
says something (can't recall what) and Ron says, "heart of a lion, 
this one"  which was really kind of funny.  Then he HITS HIM IN THE 
HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this earlier and thought 
it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely 
inappropriate.  It seemed to be in there as an amusing sight gag, 
but it bothered me both times I've seen the movie, and I can't 
imagine why everyone thought this would be appropriate at this 
point, when Lockhart is not any real threat.  Ron doesn't do 
anything remotely like this in *any* of the books, and it seemed 
like a really cheap sight gag.

Am I just being stuffy here, or was anyone else bothered by this?

Jo Serenadust




From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 04:48:23 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:48:23 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <ar9ren+71b7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, what 
were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge fan of 
quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes and 
favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some besides 
all the Lucius lines. :)
> 

Just in case...

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

P

A

C

E

(bear in mind, these probably won't be verbatum)

"Good guy" quotes: Arthur Weasley's reaction to the boys taking the 
car out: "How was it? (off Mrs. W's reaction)  Uh, I mean--that was 
very, very wrong."  Mrs. Weasley's simultaneous chewing out of her 
sons and coddling Harry is also well done.  And I loved Daniel's 
delivery of the "Don't try to save my life again" line at the end.

"Bad guy" quotes: Just about anything that comes out of Jason Isaacs' 
or Christian Coulson's mouth, basically.  Specifically, I loved the 
way Isaacs delivers "You must be very brave to speak (Voldemort's) 
name aloud...or very foolish."  Deliciously malevolent...why are the 
cute ones always evil (or at least, have some serious issues to work 
out)?

~Christi




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 04:54:07 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 04:54:07 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ar9rpf+vms@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "serenadust" <jmmears at c...> wrote:
>> In my earlier lengthy rant, I forgot to mention something that 
> Kloves/Columbus had Ron do that really was shockingly OOC, IMO.  
In 
> the chamber after Lockhart has had Ron's wand backfire on him, he 
> says something (can't recall what) and Ron says, "heart of a lion, 
> this one"  which was really kind of funny.  Then he HITS HIM IN 
THE 
> HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this earlier and thought 
> it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely 
> inappropriate.  It seemed to be in there as an amusing sight gag, 
> but it bothered me both times I've seen the movie, and I can't 
> imagine why everyone thought this would be appropriate at this 
> point, when Lockhart is not any real threat.  Ron doesn't do 
> anything remotely like this in *any* of the books, and it seemed 
> like a really cheap sight gag.
> 
> Am I just being stuffy here, or was anyone else bothered by this?
> 
> Jo Serenadust

It bothered me a bit, also.  I know everyone around me laughed just 
a bit, but I don't think it was necessary to add that to the movie.  
I'm wondering why they even added it, at all.  There are moments 
when you just wish they would be true to character and the book, 
but, hey, they don't let us make the movie, do they?  Pity ;).  Just 
teasing.  Anyway, yes, it did bother me a bit.

Alora




From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 05:19:23 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:19:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118051923.86109.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> In my earlier lengthy rant, I forgot to mention something that 
> Kloves/Columbus had Ron do that really was shockingly OOC, IMO.  In 
> the chamber after Lockhart has had Ron's wand backfire on him, he 
> says something (can't recall what) and Ron says, "heart of a lion, 
> this one"  which was really kind of funny.  Then he HITS HIM IN THE 
> HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this earlier and thought 
> it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely 
> inappropriate.  It seemed to be in there as an amusing sight gag, 
> but it bothered me both times I've seen the movie, and I can't 
> imagine why everyone thought this would be appropriate at this 
> point, when Lockhart is not any real threat.  Ron doesn't do 
> anything remotely like this in *any* of the books, and it seemed 
> like a really cheap sight gag.

Well, for one thing, I'm fairly certain Ron said, "Hard to rely on this
one," not heart of a lion.  Anyway, I laughed along with everyone else
when Ron hit him on the head with a rock.  I didn't see it as particularly
out of character at the time, though I can understand people saying so in
retrospect.  Ron has always been somewhat impetuous and rash, so I could
see him doing something like that.  He didn't hit him hard enough to do
anything more than knocking him unconscious, which is a sensible thing to
do when he's all alone with Lockhart and a malfunctioning wand.


Andrea


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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 18 05:24:35 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:24:35 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
References: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <19339558002.20021117212435@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Sunday, November 17, 2002, 8:47:07 PM, jmmears at comcast.net wrote:

> Am I just being stuffy here, or was anyone else bothered by this?

Yes, very much so.

I didn't think it was funny at all and completely out of
character and unnecessary, too.

Does JKR actually read the scripts, or is she not involved
with the movies at all anymore?

I read she wasn't for CoS.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From iheartronweasley at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 05:20:35 2002
From: iheartronweasley at yahoo.com (iheartronweasley)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:20:35 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
In-Reply-To: <015301c28eab$c4f15fa0$6401a8c0@gryffindor>
Message-ID: <ar9tb3+u9b6@eGroups.com>


<snip>
> 2. The spell that seems to force things away, Harry used it to get 
>the spider of Ron in the car, I believe the same spell was used 
>elsewhere in the movie

Actually, what I noticed with this spell (it sounds like "aranun 
exime" - *definitely not* how it's spelled, but you get the idea), is 
that when they are in the forest being surrounded with the spiders, 
Ron asks Harry if he knows any spells. Harry replies that he knows 
one, but it's not enough to get rid of all the spiders. He later uses 
it twice in the forest; once to stop a spider from attacking him on 
the way to the car, and again when a spider has hold of Ron. BUT in 
the memory flashback, when Riddle tries to stop Aragog, he ALSO 
uses "aranun exime". Anyone else catch that? Guess that's where Harry 
learned it. ;)

--Cristina





From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon Nov 18 05:52:26 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 22:52:26 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Request for CoS favorite quotes
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
References: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <a05200a01b9fe2f2b8a79@[10.0.1.11]>

>Richelle requested:
>
>For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, what 
>were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge fan 
>of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes and 
>favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some besides 
>all the Lucius lines. :)
>

Here are some of my favorite quotes:

When Draco sees Harry!Goyle wearing glasses and he says they're 
reading glasses: "I didn't know you could read!"

Not really a quote, but I absolutely loved hearing Snape say "Expelliarmus."

When Lockhart lost his memory: "Do you live here?"

That's all I can think of for now, but that Draco quote is probably 
my favorite.

illyana

p.s. Am I the only person who thought that the Lucius/Harry exchange 
in Dumbledore's office was completely cheesy? (You know, the "save 
the day/I will be" thing) Everyone seems to love it.
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From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon Nov 18 06:02:07 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:02:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another Ron Thought
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References: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
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serenadust said:

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>In my earlier lengthy rant, I forgot to mention something that
>Kloves/Columbus had Ron do that really was shockingly OOC, IMO.  In
>the chamber after Lockhart has had Ron's wand backfire on him, he
>says something (can't recall what) and Ron says, "heart of a lion,
>this one"  which was really kind of funny.  Then he HITS HIM IN THE
>HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this earlier and thought
>it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely
>inappropriate.  It seemed to be in there as an amusing sight gag,
>but it bothered me both times I've seen the movie, and I can't
>imagine why everyone thought this would be appropriate at this
>point, when Lockhart is not any real threat.  Ron doesn't do
>anything remotely like this in *any* of the books, and it seemed
>like a really cheap sight gag.


Let's read a bit of the book, now, shall we?

US Paperback ed, p. 304:

"There was a dull thud and a loud "ow!" I sounded as though Ron had 
just kicked Lockhart in the shins."

<<snip a few sentences>>

"There was another thud and another "ow!" from behind the rocks."

So, in the book, Ron may have hit Lockhart, but we do not know for 
sure, because Harry could not actually see Ron (unlike in the movie, 
where there is a gap in the rocks). I think JK is trying to say that 
Ron did, in fact, kick or hit Lockhart. I would be pretty mad, too, 
if I were Ron. I mean, Lockhart lied about all of his expertise, and 
this meant that Ginny may not be able to be saved.

illyana
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From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 07:30:34 2002
From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:30:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hagrid in COS
Message-ID: <20021118073034.49786.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com>


Gail wrote:

<<<Y'know, when I saw that last scene in the movie I had a major 
premonition.  
I was wondering what other people thought.

Spoiler space, just in case...

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Now, when I saw that last scene, where all the kids are gathering 
around 
Hagrid, and everybody's applauding, the first thing I thought was, "Uh, 
oh...it's for sure...Hagrid's gonna bite the big one in book five."  My 
bets 
were on Dumbledore, but now I've changed my mind.

Did anybody else think like this or is it just me?

-Gail B.>>>

================================

*raises hand like Hermione in class*

"Oh, oh! Yes, me too!  Me too!"

Gail, that was my first thought at that scene, because I couldn't understand why Hagrid was getting such a long, drawn-out standing ovation.  

There's also a video interview with Robbie Coltrane (or is it Coltraine?) somewhere on the WB site that has him talking about being signed up for 5 movies, or something like that.  Does anyone know where that interview is, because I can't seem to find it.

On the standing ovation again...I think Hagrid is a very lovable character for children, and the fact that he was released from Azkaban, came back to Hogwarts and is now cleared of charges was a huge point Kloves/Columbus wanted to make.  Big, loveable furry Hagrid is back, kiddies!  Of course, Gail and I are assuming that kiddies are the target audience (in which case, WB needs to do a little more market research and perhaps consult us...).

~Lilac, who is going to see the movie again on Tuesday



 

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Lockhart cuffed Harry merrily on the shoulder.  "Just do what I did, Harry!"

"What, drop my wand?"

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From ginger_peachy130 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 11:28:24 2002
From: ginger_peachy130 at hotmail.com (ginger_peachy130)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:28:24 -0000
Subject: Rupert on Ron
In-Reply-To: <002401c28eb2$de3edda0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <araiso+8mg7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Penny Linsenmayer <pennylin at s...> wrote:

> Rupert *definitely* thinks of Ron as a wimp who is scared easily -- 
he really has made that abundantly clear several times.  It's 
strange, as I said, because even though I don't think alot of Ron's 
character (to say the least!), I definitely wouldn't say that 
cowardice or wimpiness is one of his traits.  So ......for what it's 
worth, I think Grint must bear some of the brunt for what's happened 
to Ron's character.  He does the "scared" expression very well 
indeed ..... but it was sooooo overdone & unnecessary.
> 
> Penny

Whatever Rupert Grint is doing, surely Columbus is the one advising 
him every step, line and facial expression of the way- he's just a 
kid after all. Having seen footage of Columbus directing ("Even 
*bigger*!" "I want to see *more* excitement!" etc), I wouldn't be 
surprised if Grint now thinks that Ron is a wimp, but I doubt it is 
all off his own bat.

Alexis






From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Nov 18 11:32:32 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:32:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Rupert on Ron
In-Reply-To: <002401c28eb2$de3edda0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <028b01c28ef6$32f17860$0301a8c0@Frodo>


Penny said: 
> <<<<but I do note that Grint himself says that "Ron is scared of
> > everything" in many interviews I've seen with him.  So, to some 
> > extent, I think Grint is interpreting Ron in this manner, 
> and I can't 
> > quite figure out where he comes up with that.>>>
> 
> Susanne asked:
> <<<<<Just a quick question about the above:
> in which interviews did you hear him say this, because I 
> watched all of them and the only one who said Ron was scared 
> all the time was a little boy at a preview and Oprah.
> 
> I haven't heard RG himself say anything besides the fear of 
> spiders and was wondering which interviews I have missed.>>>>>>>>>
And Penny replied: 
> 
> Actually, he most definitely said it in the Oprah special 
> this year.  I'd go check where in the segment myself, but my 
> husband has the TV at the moment.  If you have it on tape, 
> watch it again.  If you want, I can also watch it sometime 
> this week & transcribe the exact remark here.  

No need. DanRadcliffe.com's team transcribed it and uploaded it here:
http://www.danradcliffe.com/oprahtran102902.html - it's just a fan's
transcription of the show, but it's already done and searchable. 





From skosmoskijr at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 11:52:48 2002
From: skosmoskijr at yahoo.com (Stan Kosmoski)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:52:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I wonder....
In-Reply-To: <1037588443.1078.27648.m3@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118115248.63173.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com>

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I have been following the comments here since the
first viewings, and had the chance to see COS twice
this past weekend, coming away with very mixed
feelings.
- I felt this came much closer to the "feel" of what a
Harry Potter movie should be. Good use of humor, lots
of action, paced quickly, very moody, and essentially
true to the books.
- I didnt like the flow of the story. It was too
choppy, and seemed almost like a collection of
"scenes" trying to tie together into a storyline. I
would have liked a tighter, more flowing progression
of events (which the first movie did better). here it
felt like scenes were added because they were in the
book, but not necessarily for what they brought to
advancing the plot. (An example - In the book the the
visit to the spiders was necessary, exciting, and
furthered the plot. In the movie it was overly scary -
for younger viewers -  and did nothing to further the
movie plot. All we learned from this is that Hagrid
was innocent and that there was a monster. This could
have been accomplished much easier through a line of
dialogue by Tom Riddle in the Chamber allowing much
more plot and character development elsewhere)
These types of changes would be more readical
departures from the books, but would make a better
movie.
- There was too little use of what I felt were great
characters who would add spice to the proceedings -
Snape, the Twins, Neville, and Draco. Even Hagrid was
severly downplayed in this movie. Star Trek (TOS)
became just Kirk, Spock, Mccoy and everyone else. This
is becoming HP, Ron, HG, and everyone else with a
splash of Dumbledore to tie up the loose ends.
- Am I prejudiced because I have read the books? The
depth of character and storyline in the books makes
the movie seem rushed, disjointed, and fragmented.
Would I enjoy the movies more if I hadn't read the
books until afterwards? Along the same lines would the
first movie have even been a hit if there had not been
a book series preceeding it?

Casting has been superb, and the sets and mood of the
films right on target. What this series needs more
than a director switch is a skilled storyteller to
write the movies as movies...rather than book
adaptations. The book is canon, but until this becomes
an extended mini-series no movie will do justice to
the storytelling of JK Rowling the author.

Just a few thoughts.

By the way I loved..."Who Am I" at the end. Brilliant!

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From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 18 13:23:01 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:23:01 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <arapjl+tmec@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, 
what were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm a huge 
fan of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" quotes 
and favorite "evil guy" quotes.  That way I'll get to hear some 
besides all the Lucius lines. :)
> 

"This is just like magic!" - Lockhart, hurtling through the air with 
all the others as Fawkes carries them home.

"Play nice, Draco." - Lucius, in the bookshop.  The voice is so 
wonderfully nasty, but it also just says so much about the 
guy.  "Play nice" - as if his son is 4 years old!  He really doesn't 
have a clue about who Draco is.

"We'll be sending Potter to the hospital wing in a matchbox." - 
Snape, duelling scene.




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 18 13:29:34 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:29:34 -0000
Subject: Hagrid in COS
In-Reply-To: <20021118073034.49786.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <arapvu+p9l9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Lilac <lilac_bearry at y...> wrote:
> 
> Gail wrote:
> 
> <<<Y'know, when I saw that last scene in the movie I had a major 
> premonition.  
> I was wondering what other people thought.
> 
> Spoiler space, just in case...
> Now, when I saw that last scene, where all the kids are gathering 
> around 
> Hagrid, and everybody's applauding, the first thing I thought 
was, "Uh, 
> oh...it's for sure...Hagrid's gonna bite the big one in book 
five."  My 
> bets 
> were on Dumbledore, but now I've changed my mind.
> 
> Did anybody else think like this or is it just me?
> 
>
You could be right, but I have to say, I think it's a big mistake to 
start foreshadowing something like that at THIS stage.  I mean, 
let's face it, Hagrid's eventual removal, if it comes, is at least 3 
or maybe even 4 movies away (if they make GoF in 2 parts).  We're 
talking years down the road, it's a bit pointless to start dropping 
hints this early.  If it had to be done, a poignant scene at the end 
of GoF, maybe when he goes off on Dumbledore's mission to the 
giants, would have worked much better.  No one is going to remember 
this moment from CoS five years from now, and I sure hope the 
message isn't going to be rubbed in with similar hints in future 
movies.

Wanda
 




From kdavison at shreve.net  Mon Nov 18 13:44:51 2002
From: kdavison at shreve.net (Kimberly Davison)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:44:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another Ron Thought
References: <ar9rcb+d65d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c28f08$ac7738c0$5db4fea9@KimDavison>

Jo Serenadust wrote:

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<<Ron says, "heart of a lion, this one"  which was really kind of funny.
Then he HITS HIM IN THE HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this
earlier and thought it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely
inappropriate.>>


Me (Kimberly):
My first reaction when I saw it, was the same as yours, for just a split
second.  Then I realized, if my sister was in such danger, and he was making
fun of it the way he was, I'd have hit him, too.  I think it was a little
retaliation for the way he was talking about Ginny.
Kimberly Davison






From lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 13:52:00 2002
From: lindseyharrisst at hotmail.com (lindseyharrisst)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:52:00 -0000
Subject: Flabby Snape?
In-Reply-To: <ar95md+mq78@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arara0+445j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "nithya_rachel" <nithya_rachel at h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok, I don't want people yelling at me, especially after so many 
> people have said Snape was just right in this film....but didn't the 
> facial make up for Rickman leave something to be desired? 

I did n't really notice him looking flabby, but one of my friends (who
had also seen the first movie) said he had jowels in this one. I think
it may just be slightly different lighting. Much more of this film is
set at night so the lighting would be harsher.I do think we're all
forgetting that the man is 57 years old. He still looks pretty hot for
his age. And if he looked like Tom Cruise I'd just stop adoring him. I
thought he gave a different impression here too. In the last film he
hd mre menace but here he did camp it up in parts. I wrote about this
in another post and the replier said they thought he ,as Snape, was
trying to match Branagh as Lockhart's exggerated attention seeking
gestures to mock him. (Mock the character that is, not Branagh). I see
what they were saying but it still bothered me a bit. He lost some of
his mystique, but he seemed to have more screen time, which was a
blessing. He manages very well I think, considering he does n't really
have anything to do for most of the film in toerms of action. We just
see his dark eyes glitter with malice/ concern/ delete as appropriate.
I wonder if he knows whta snape does in the later books. I know JK
told Robbie Coltrane some things about Hagrid. What do we think?




From andyfoltz at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 14:12:35 2002
From: andyfoltz at hotmail.com (andy_foltz)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:12:35 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <a05200a02b9fe31781475@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <arasgj+6935@eGroups.com>

I'm with Illyana on this one. Throughout the entire book, Ron 
harbors a deep jealousy and resentment towards Lockhart, and during 
the duel openly expresses a wish for harm to come to Lockhart. 
Furthermore, Lockhart was given sole responsibility for the safe 
return of Ron's sister (a bad move by the faculty . . .) and 
Lockhart totally betrayed her making every effort to leave Ginny 
dead in the CoS. Then, there's the overt textual issues Illyana 
brought up, regarding the thumps and "ow!" from behind the pile of 
rocks. So I was pleased to see Ron hit Lockhart in the movie because 
I was assuming the directors and producers would be too gutless to 
show how Ron really felt about Lockhart. This WAS true to Ron's 
character. Really, I think any of the Weasley's except perhaps for 
Mrs. Weasley, would have done the same.




From nplyon at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 14:15:09 2002
From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 06:15:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hagrid in CoS/General Impressions
In-Reply-To: <1037620204.451.95768.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118141509.94572.qmail@web20910.mail.yahoo.com>

> Spoiler space, just in case...
> 
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Lilac said:
> 
> Gail, that was my first thought at that scene,
> because I couldn't understand why Hagrid was getting
> such a long, drawn-out standing ovation.  
> 
> There's also a video interview with Robbie Coltrane
> (or is it Coltraine?) somewhere on the WB site that
> has him talking about being signed up for 5 movies,
> or something like that.  Does anyone know where that
> interview is, because I can't seem to find it.

I'm back from a brief HP hiatus!  Didn't want to have
the film spoiled for me before I got a chance to see
it, you know.  :)

Gail and Lilac, you have convinced me.  I thought the
ovation scene was a bit odd but it now makes sense to
me.  I am convinced that Dumbledore is going to die
but I wasn't quite sure if I thought he would be the
one to die in the fifth book.  Now I am convinced that
it is Hagrid and not Dumbledore who's going to go in
book 5.  Taken in this light, the applause scene makes
absolute sense to me now.  I also understand that
Hagrid is a particular favorite character for Rowling
and since she has often described the book 5 death as
"horrible", the idea of Hagrid's demise seems to fit
the bill.

On that topic, I don't particularly like the
Columbus/Kloves foreshadowing.  I smiled at the Ron
and Hermione thing but it was so blatantly obvious. 
My dad, who's never read the books, said to me, "Is
there something going on between those two?" and my
brother's fiancee, who also has never read the books,
asked me if there is a romance between Ron and
Hermione in book 3.  I thought the scene was cute but
I'm also a bit disappointed by it as it really takes
away from the pivotal Ron/Hermione fight and Ron's
jealousy in book 4.  Still, though, the Ron/Hermione
shipper in me had to do a happy dance at that scene. 
:)  And if Hagrid is the one to die in book 5, I'll be
ticked at the movie makers for having tipped me off. 
As much as I like to speculate and wonder, I don't
want to know the plot or events of the books before I
have a chance to read them.

> 
> On the standing ovation again...I think Hagrid is a
> very lovable character for children, and the fact
> that he was released from Azkaban, came back to
> Hogwarts and is now cleared of charges was a huge
> point Kloves/Columbus wanted to make.  Big, loveable
> furry Hagrid is back, kiddies!  Of course, Gail and
> I are assuming that kiddies are the target audience
> (in which case, WB needs to do a little more market
> research and perhaps consult us...).
> 

Amen to that.  They must be complete morons if they
haven't noticed just how popular HP is with older
(meaning more than 12 years of age) people.  Of the
hundreds of people standing in line waiting to enter
the theater when I went to see the movie, many were
adults without children.  (Yes, I did say hundreds. 
The theater I saw it in has 30 screens and the
particular room in which I saw the movie holds 450
people--at least 250 of them must have been lined up
already when I arrived 45 minutes before the beginning
of the movie.)  I want an HP T-shirt/sweatshirt in the
worst way and I have not been able to find any because
WB only manufactures them in kids' sizes.  I am
seriously contemplating buying the iron on transfers
for ink jet printers and making my own.  Might I add
that my husband thought I was insane when I mentioned
this to him.  :)

Overall, I have to admit that I was disappointed in
the movie.  I just didn't think it translated to the
screen as well as SS/PS.  The effects were better this
time and the Quidditch scene was breathtaking, as
opposed to the first movie.  I was disappointed in
Ron's wimpiness (which seems to be a popular topic of
conversation around here :) ) and I very much missed
the presence of the twins and their show of friendship
towards Harry when almost everyone else was turning
their backs on him.  I love the Weasleys and hope to
see more/better characterization of them in future
movies.  

As for the Harry side of things, I know there was the
library scene where everyone was giving Harry the cold
shoulder but I still don't think the film did a good
job of showing the isolation Harry felt.

I liked Dobby very much.  I agree with whoever said he
was much less annoying than he is in the books and I'm
sorry I can't remember your name!  :)  

I thought Kenneth Branagh, Jason Isaacs, and Christian
Colson (did I spell that correctly?) were marvelous,
although I have to say that I don't like Lucius
starting on "Avada Kedavra" at his final meeting with
Harry.  Um, wouldn't it really be a big problem for
Lucius and the master plan he seems to have if he were
to kill Harry?  This scene simply doesn't make any
sense.

There were a lot of good points to the film but I just
didn't feel the same wonder and excitement when I was
watching it that I felt with SS/PS.  I think Columbus
has done a fair job but I'd like to jump on the "Thank
Goodness PoA Has a New Director" bandwagon.  I would
*really* be upset if that one were to be slaughtered
as it's my favorite book of the series.

~Nicole, who is definitely going to go see the film a
second time because she was tired and anxious about
the film pleasing the people she was with the first
time she saw it and so didn't really enjoy it as much
as she might have.  

=====
*****************************************************************
      "You haven't got a letter on yours," George observed.  
        "I suppose she thinks you don't forget your name.  
  But we're not stupid--we know we're called Gred and Forge." 

      Chapter 12, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone"
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From jdumas at kingwoodcable.com  Mon Nov 18 14:24:48 2002
From: jdumas at kingwoodcable.com (Katze)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:24:48 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Request for CoS favorite quotes
References: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757> <a05200a01b9fe2f2b8a79@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <3DD8F830.6020803@kingwoodcable.com>

illyana delorean wrote:
> p.s. Am I the only person who thought that the Lucius/Harry exchange 
> in Dumbledore's office was completely cheesy? (You know, the "save 
> the day/I will be" thing) Everyone seems to love it.

I thought it was quite cheesy actually. I also thought the ending was cheesy - I 
wanted the house cup championship, not a drawnout version housewarming party for 
Hagrid.

I liked the reading line as well. That was wonderful! I also thought Ron's 
throw-away line - "How thick can you get?" - was great.

I've only seen the movie once, so I'll need to go see it again to listen for 
more lines.

Katze






From beccablue42 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 15:10:29 2002
From: beccablue42 at hotmail.com (beccablue42)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:10:29 -0000
Subject: Yet another COS review
Message-ID: <aravt5+hr27@eGroups.com>

I'll try to keep this brief. For the record: I saw the movie (only) 
once. I am an American. I read Fan Fiction. That clarifies some of my 
statements. 


who

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Lots of echoing what others have said-- I'm trying to keep it short, 
really. 
Like a movie review I saw this weekend, I will divide this into "hot" 
and "not." Unlike the review, there will be NO complaints about 
length, and NO-- I repeat NO-- Dan-bashing. 

HOT (not literally in the attractiveness sence): 

Lucius Malfoy. Everything about him. Cane. Kicking Dobby. 
Uttering "avad..." no matter who he intended it for. Having long 
blond hair. everything. 

All three lead actors. Quit your griping, and cut these teens some 
slack. Daniel was AMAZING. I thought in the PS/SS, he was the cute 
kid with the glasses and the scar, so you knew who he was. Here, he 
was the troubled kid worried about his own dark side. He was stronger 
and cockier, and, well, Harry. Emma- wow. Always liked her, always 
will. Rupert did the best he could with what little Columbus gave 
him, it seemed to me. He is quite the commedien. 

Ginny in the Burrow. So Cute! And for the record, I don't care what 
article of clothing she was looking for. Now if *Percy* had been 
looking for his jumper, you may have elicited some American titters 
(tries not to fall over at the thought of Percy with morning hair 
*and* a dress). But I am a regular enough lurker on lists to know 
that the clothing in question was a sweater-- I think. *g*

Polyjuice/ Malfoy, "Crabbe" and "Goyle." Malfoy: "You can read?" 
(eyebrow twitch) Brilliant. And our heroes: "S-Scar!" "H-Hair!" 

Dobby. It worked, and I don't believe it. 

Tom Riddle. Ditto. 

The length of the movie. That was three hours? And there was still so 
much story left!

Having all the same actors, down to the guard in the train station. 
Talk about building a consistant world! I love it!

Action sequences/visual effects- bravo! Especially the Chamber- 
creepy. 

NOT:

(Deep, soothing breath)

General awkwardness that brought me back to sixth grade. A whole mess 
of twelve and thirteen-year-old boys, with all the cracking, lisping, 
and long-limbed gangliness that implies. Cute, and true to life, but 
I *know* they made Rupert crack his voice on purpose in the spider 
scene. It got to be a bit much. 

I would have kept the Valentine scene. It clarifies that Ginny still 
likes Harry (as most people assume on their first reading/viewing at 
least that she send the Valentine), and gives her a reason to destroy 
his room in search of the diary. Too much flying car, too little 
Ginny. 

Ahem, pet peeve of mine: Attention all movie directors: Actors should 
NOT give lines in slow motion. Actors should NOT scream either "No!" 
or the friend/loved one's name for an extended period of time, no 
matter how distraught they are. I don't care *who* fell off a cliff 
(Yes, Jackson, I'm talking about you and Frodo's "Gaaandaaalf!!!!!") 
or who has let what hairy creature out of a box. I don't blame Dan. I 
blame Columbus. Harry knows Hagrid is okay, so why, please tell me 
why, does he need to scream: "HAAAAAGRRIIIIIIDD!!!" ? What does 
*that* accomplish? (end of rant)

Characterization thoughts: JKR did not make paper cut-out characters. 
Ron, as many have mentioned, was too one-dimensional. Lockhart could 
have been more. Ginny, too. Give the girl some lines! The character 
Columbus built the most on was, unfortunately, Malfoy. 

Which brings me sadly to Draco Malfoy. I must confess that part of 
this was my fault. I have spent far too much time reading Cassandra 
Claire's work, and I was expecting the suave, polished, and downright 
likable Draco of fanfiction. I thought he seemed whimpy, and greedy 
for a rich kid. Stealing people's presents? Snape had to *push* him 
back into the duel against his rival? And I had a hard time folowing 
some of his lines, as if he was trying to compensate for a lisp of 
some sort. He was just awkward, and that was sad, because I loved him 
in PS/SS, in canon, and yes, especially in fanfic Draco Veritas...

Watching Richard Harris broke my heart. He looked so ill, and I think 
he should not have over-exerted himself with this film, good though 
it was. His performace was superb; his health was not. May he rest in 
peace. 


Will I see it again? Will I buy the DVD? Of course. Do I hope that a 
fresh director can bring us an even better POA? With all my heart. 

Cheers,
Becca





From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 18 15:12:36 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:12:36 -0000
Subject: Lucius and Draco
Message-ID: <arb014+v65f@eGroups.com>

Did anyone notice that, although Lucius had been in the stands 
watching his son's first Quidditch game, he didn't bother going to 
see the boy when he was in the infirmary after falling off his 
broom?  Now, I'm guessing from Madame Pomfrey's quick dismissal of 
him that he wasn't REALLY hurt that much - I get the impression that 
Draco is a pampered little rich boy who hasn't had to get his hands 
dirty very often, so he'd make a big fuss over what is a trifling 
little injury.  But it says something that his father didn't care 
enough to come and check on him.  If Molly Weasley had been in the 
stands and Fred or George had gotten hurt, even if they'd been 
goofing off, I'll bet she'd have gone to see them.  She might have 
given them a scolding, but she'd have gone.  This movie has done 
something I wouldn't have really thought possible - it's actually 
made me start to feel a bit sorry for Draco.

Wanda





From htrekkie at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 15:23:35 2002
From: htrekkie at aol.com (htrekkie at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:23:35 EST
Subject: I Liked PS/SS Better
Message-ID: <18b.118e3d8a.2b0a5ff7@aol.com>

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I know most people have said they liked COS better ..... and there are things 
in it that I like......L. Malfoy (excellent!!!!!! amazing how fabulous actors 
can narrow their eyes or raise an eyebrow and convey a million thoughts or 
emotions...Rickman does it,and so did Brahgnan) Loved Harry speaking 
Parsaltongue too. and:
Favorite lines: Draco: "You can read?" to Goyle..... and Ron: "Heart of a 
lion, this one." regarding Lockhart.
But, this movie missed so many easy opportunities to show the characters' 
true selves.... I wish they had at least had Harry say something about "Let's 
do this for Hermione" when Ron is afraid to face the spiders. Would have 
shown Ron's chivalry and given a more subtle R/H hint then the scene in the 
Great Hall. In PS/SS I liked that Ron was intellegent (a whiz at chess) and 
noble and brave ( the Chess Scene where he is a knight!), Harry was a little 
doubtful and vunerable, Hermione was a know it all, but in a "I must prove 
myself" sort of way.In COS I hated that Harry had more courage and 
determination and grit than Hercules or Odysseus. Where was his  fear and 
loneliness and concern about being the heir? Seemed way to sure of himself. 
Where was the 13 year old boy?? Hated that Hermione seemed to know WAY more 
about the wizarding world than Ron. She knows facts and details about the 
school and such, but not societal things....Just as if someone came to our 
country and knew the history books but not the "real" world. I felt the 
actors were "real" in the first movie, but this one made them cartoons...2 
dimensional.
But I will say that I never had high expectations....it is a movie, and I 
enjoyed it as such. Simply by being a movie it will never reach the heights 
of the book. At least we know that in the real "Potterverse" JK Rowling will 
keep them true to who they are and they are "alive and well" there. I still 
highly enjoyed the movie, even though I saw 
the first movie a dozen times practically& this one I'll probably only see 4 
or 5!!  :-D


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From magsthomas at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 15:27:49 2002
From: magsthomas at yahoo.com (Margaret Thomas)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:27:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hagrid in COS
In-Reply-To: <1037620204.451.95768.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118152749.62231.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com>


> Message: 16
>    Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:30:34 -0800 (PST)
>    From: Lilac <lilac_bearry at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re:  Hagrid in COS
> 
> 
> Gail wrote:
> 
> <<<Y'know, when I saw that last scene in the movie I
> had a major 
> premonition.  
> I was wondering what other people thought.
> 
> Spoiler space, just in case...
> 
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> Now, when I saw that last scene, where all the kids
> are gathering 
> around 
> Hagrid, and everybody's applauding, the first thing
> I thought was, "Uh, 
> oh...it's for sure...Hagrid's gonna bite the big one
> in book five."  My 
> bets 
> were on Dumbledore, but now I've changed my mind.
> 
> Did anybody else think like this or is it just me?
> 
> -Gail B.>>>
> 
> ================================
> 
> Gail, that was my first thought at that scene,
> because I couldn't understand why Hagrid was getting
> such a long, drawn-out standing ovation.  
> 
> There's also a video interview with Robbie Coltrane
> (or is it Coltraine?) somewhere on the WB site that
> has him talking about being signed up for 5 movies,
> or something like that.  Does anyone know where that
> interview is, because I can't seem to find it.


Have mulled this over as well, especially recalling R.
Coltrane's interview.  Am of two minds and would love
to hear other people's opinions to sway me
definitively one way or the other.

a) "There is no Hogwarts without you, Hagrid," is
foreshadowing that we'll lose Hagrid in OotP and that
Harry will experience a significant and devastating
emotional blow as a result.  In fact, Sirius aside, as
Hogwarts is Harry's true home, Hagrid is a pivotal
member of Harry's family within that home.  Riddle
targeted Hagrid as a scapegoat in youth; Voldemort
will target Hagrid once more in order to destroy Harry
and eliminate the threat Harry poses to Voldemort's
power.  The "phoenix rising from the ashes" does not
refer to Dumbledore, but to Harry's ability to rise
from this tragic loss and triumph against Voldemort.

b) "There is no Hogwarts without you, Hagrid,"
represents the stability Hagrid will provide in
Harry's otherwise tumultuous life at Hogwarts. In
which case, can we look to Dumbledore as the probable
character destined for demise in Book 5, ie., allegory
to the Phoenix dying then rising from the ashes? 
Dumbledore's absence leaves Harry and all of Hogwarts
vulnerable to Voldemort.  Without Dumbledore, Harry
will lose his primary mentor, the man who is both
Harry's (and our narrative) window into the
significance of past events (a la the Pensieve), and 
his "sounding board" (ie., did the Sorting Hat place
me in the right House?).  Hagrid himself has
proclaimed Dumbledore's critical role at Hogwarts, has
named Dumbledore as the one person who believed in
Hagrid's innocence following accusations about the
CoS.  Both Harry and Hagrid would be at risk without
Dumbledore's presence.

- M.

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From mage_83 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 15:28:22 2002
From: mage_83 at hotmail.com (Dara Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:28:22 -0000
Subject: Interesting pre-FX notes and deleted scenes?
Message-ID: <arb0um+kot6@eGroups.com>

I'm not sure if this counts as spoilers...but I'll do it anyways.
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All right, well being the dork that I am, I decided to go back and 
watch the trailers again to see if there was anything that changed 
between them and the movie, and there are at least 3 things I can 
pick out obviously as interesting

1) In the first trailer there is quite a bit of pre-FX shots in the 
Chamber, like the part where the basilisk hits the statue instead of 
Harry, and Harry killing the basilisk, only all of the shots from the 
trailer are basilisk free, so it's quite amusing to see it now after 
the movie has come out.

2) There must have been a scene shot where the boys nearly drive the 
Anglia into a clock tower, because you can see them avoiding it in 
one trailer, and the reflection of the clock's face in another.  
Perhaps the filmmakers thought one near-miss was just enough.  But in 
the movie, you can see what I'm assuming is the tower they're 
supposed to run into just as they lift off in the car.

3) Harry and Ron dragging Crabbe and Goyle into the closet.  Not that 
big a deal, but maybe there was something else with that bit, like 
pulling out the hairs, as I don't imagine they'd film a tiny bit like 
that for nothing.

That's all with the trailer stuff.  I found it interesting, so I 
thought a few of you all might also.

Thought the movie was overall, really great, and I've seen it 4 times 
so far =D

-Dara




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 14:38:20 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:38:20 +0100
Subject: Durham Cathedral
Message-ID: <v01540b00b9fea5096c80@[195.184.240.63]>

I watched a very interesting programme on TV about Durham Cathedral a
couple of nights ago. My interest was architectural, although I did hope to
catch glimpses of the cloisters, the garden and the chapter house, all used
as sets for the HP movies. I was not disappointed.

There was also a most unexpected piece, filmed in the gallery above the
side aisles of the cathedral, at the spot where the flying buttresses join
the main body of the nave. The gallery has the shape of half a protractor,
its curved ceiling fashioned by the buttresses themselves. It looked sort
of familiar, so I replayed the PS/SS DVD last night, and there it was. It
was used for the 'third floor corridor', along which the trio runs to
escape from Mrs Norris (when they hide through the door and find Fluffy).
If you look behind the running kids, you can see the view across the top of
the nave to the opposite gallery.

I had always thought that that was a set, so was pleased with the discovery.

Regards,
Nicholas





From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 15:45:19 2002
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:45:19 -0000
Subject: Cos Impressions
Message-ID: <arb1uf+mbdr@eGroups.com>

 

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Well I've been to see CoS three times now (though my friends 
think I've only been to it twice with them) and I am one who thinks 
it was better then SS.  

-I didn't miss the Deathday party or even Valentine's Day too 
much, and I certainly didn't miss Peeves at all.

-In some ways I didn't care for the basilisk- the extra teeth for 
one..the basilisk in my mind looked more like a giant snake I 
suppose.

-I also didn't care for the Whomping Willow.  I didn't like how it 
could bend its whole trunk over and how it had the huge club-like 
limbs.  I pictured a more willow-like tree or even one more like 
the evil tree in Poltergeist.    Now in PoA movie- with a tree like 
that- instead of getting hit by a limb and getting blood drawn, I'm 
picturing one of the Trio getting hit by a huge limb and getting 
squished flat. *g*

-I'd have liked to have seen  more of Ginny, the twins and Percy 
and Penelope- but I understand that the filmmakes aren't trying 
to make an epic either- darn it...

-I loved the going into the diary sequence- the black and white

-I loved the Trio for the most part.  I believe Radcliffe did an 
excellent job- much better than some people are giving him 
credit for.   Emma Watson also did a great job.   I really like 
Rupert Grint but I think he was told to ham it up a bit too much. 
He wasn't helped either by getting many of Ron's lines stolen by 
Hermione as many others have pointed out.  The part that 
stuck out the most was in Hagrid's Hut when he didn't get to 
explain *any* of the name calling- grr.

-Dobby was even less annoying than in the book- which I went 
into very  nervous about.  Did anyone else notice Dobby reprised 
Hagrid's "I shouldn't have said that" when he is visiting Harry in 
the infirmary?

-The two boys who played Crabbe and Goyle did a great 
polyjuiced Harry and Ron.  Makes me wish those two would be 
able to get more screen time...  The Crabbe kid was doing little 
quick nods just like Grint  did in another scene.

-Tom Felton/ Draco.  I'd give Felton the most improved actor's 
award for this movie!   I was really impressed by him.    I think he 
got a couple of pretty entertaining bits too- getting bitten by the 
Mandrake,  the "I didn' t know you could read!"- I like the "huh, 
who knew?" expression that ended that statement and his 
Quidditch crash.

I'd also like to say I've always disliked Draco and that he's always 
been nothing more than an annoying creep.  However, I thought 
the moviemakers were trying to play a sympathy card with Draco 
too.  I hope this is what they intended or else I've been unduly, 
unknowingly influenced by the main-lists pro-Draco posts.  
(Repeats to self  *go back and read canon Draco- deprogram 
yourself*)

-Jason Isaacs was the perfect Malfoy, Sr.

-I loved Rickman as Snape...many others (Amandageist, for 
one) have said better than I could why he is so perfect for the 
role.   I do have one question though- did anyone else find his 
dueling club 'twirl and point' hilarious?  My best friend and I, 
when we saw that we similtaneously burst out laughing- then 
tried to stifle it as no one else in the theater seemed to find it 
funny.  I was nearly teary-eyed and totally missed the "Scared 
Potter?"  exchange- tho I wasn't helped at all by my friend 
shaking with silent giggles either...

And finally (thank god everyone says) I don't think Kloves and 
Columbus are too bad.  They deserve more credit than they are 
getting from many on this list.  They have remained quite faithful 
to the books considering they are in an industry that takes a 
good thing and usually blows it by making up stories out of the 
thin air.  For instance, I've nearly been banned from going to 
history related movies (Titanic, The Patriot, Pearl Harbor, 
Gladiator) with my friends because such liberties are taken  or 
asinine storylines are made up it drives me nuts and I complain 
to them.   I don't think most filmmakers would take such care 
with a movie they think of  as a *children's movie.*

However, that said, I am glad there will be a new director in for 
PoA. *g*

The unusually long-winded
A Goldfeesh

This place ain't doing me any good
I'm in the wrong town, I should be in Hollywood
   Dylan's Oscar winning Times Have Changed from Wonder          
   Boys (he now performs with his Oscar behind him on stage        
   *g*)




From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 16:20:55 2002
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:20:55 -0000
Subject: Statue and Quotes
Message-ID: <arb417+nc5q@eGroups.com>

"susanmcgee48176" <Schlobin1 at aol.com>  inquired:


>What was the statue that Ron and Harry were skulking around
>in the scene where they left the cakes for Crabbe and Goyle?
----
I noticed that statue too.  I believe it was one of Godric Gryffindor 
for sure.  I kind of wonder if the other Founders were on it too, 
standing back-to-back of each other but I couldn't tell.

I could clearly see the lion for Gryffindor on it,  then oppposite of 
the lion was a badger.  And, I believe, there may have been a 
snake behind the lion, seen by its flank.  I'm not totally certain, 
although the last time I saw CoS I was actually watching for it.

Okay...I'm ready for it to be on DVD now! *g*

Richelle asked for favorite quotes...

I like Neville's question of "Why does it always have to be me?"
   (sorta paraphased I believe)   after he is hung up on the   
    chandelier by the pixies.

Ron's "Heart of a lion, this one." about Lockhart.

Lockhart at the Dueling Club- "Can you see me? Can you *hear* 
me?"   Brannagh says "hear me" so pompously, so Lockhart.

Harry's "I'll be in my bedroom, pretending I'm not there."  Again, 
I'm not sure of the exact quote- but Radcliffe sounded so much 
like I'd imagine Harry to sound.

"I didn't know you could read!" Draco to Goyle/Polyjuiced Harry.

"Why spiders? Why can't it be 'follow the butterflies?"  a 
woebegone Ron commenting on Hagrid's instructions to go to 
the Forbidden forest.  My favorite line in the movie.

My favorite line not in the movie:  "Or maybe, he's waiting to hear 
why you two didn't arrive on the school train."   Why change such 
a brilliant arrival at Hogwarts? 

A Goldfeesh
 

Oh, the hours I've spent inside the Coliseum,
Dodging lions and wastin' time.
Oh, those mighty kings of the jungle, I could hardly stand to see 
'em,
Yes, it sure has been a long, hard climb.
         When I Paint My Masterpiece




From ronib at mindspring.com  Mon Nov 18 16:22:39 2002
From: ronib at mindspring.com (Veronica)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:22:39 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <arb44f+m089@eGroups.com>

Spoiler
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Richelle invited:
> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of Secrets, what 
> were your favorite quotes? 

Veronica adds to the list:

My favorite non-canon quote (at least I don't remember it, but maybe 
I just need to reread CoS):

(Paraphrasing as best I remember) Ron: Why does it have to be "follow 
the spiders"? Why can't it be "follow the butterflies"?

Though I also loved when Moaning Myrtle pointed out: "I was 
distraught!" Was that in the book? Ok, will start re-reading CoS 
tonight.




From sequoiajw at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 16:23:56 2002
From: sequoiajw at yahoo.com (Ms. Jackson)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:23:56 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lucius and Draco
References: <arb014+v65f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c28f1e$ea1c28a0$482367ce@gj1011405onem>

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Wanda wrote:
>>I get the impression that Draco is a pampered little rich boy who
hasn't had to get his hands dirty very often, so he'd make a big fuss
over what is a trifling little injury.  But it says something that his
father didn't care enough to come and check on him.<<

For a good insight into the reasoning behind the Lucius/Draco
characterizations, read the Jason Isaacs interview at The Leaky
Cauldron: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/IsaacsInterview.html

gwynne




From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 16:33:00 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:33:00 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <arasgj+6935@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arb4ns+21ge@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "andy_foltz" <andyfoltz at h...> wrote:
> I'm with Illyana on this one. Throughout the entire book, Ron 
> harbors a deep jealousy and resentment towards Lockhart, and during 
> the duel openly expresses a wish for harm to come to Lockhart. 
> Furthermore, Lockhart was given sole responsibility for the safe 
> return of Ron's sister (a bad move by the faculty . . .) and 
> Lockhart totally betrayed her making every effort to leave Ginny 
> dead in the CoS. Then, there's the overt textual issues Illyana 
> brought up, regarding the thumps and "ow!" from behind the pile of 
> rocks. So I was pleased to see Ron hit Lockhart in the movie 
because 
> I was assuming the directors and producers would be too gutless to 
> show how Ron really felt about Lockhart. This WAS true to Ron's 
> character. Really, I think any of the Weasley's except perhaps for 
> Mrs. Weasley, would have done the same.

I agree, except on Lockhart being given responsibility for returning 
Ginny.  My impression from both book and film was that the faculty a) 
kind of figured out that Lockhart was full of it (I'm sure Snape did, 
at the very least), and b) had given Ginny up for dead or worse 
already.  Sending him off on the "rescue mission" was pretty much an 
excuse to get him out of their hair, and little more than that.

~Christi




From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 16:43:28 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:43:28 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <arb44f+m089@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arb5bg+4krt@eGroups.com>

S

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S

Another favorite, which I just remembered (again, probably 
paraphrased):

"It is incredibly filthy down here."--Lockhart, after being shoved 
down into the Chamber.

Also, I loved the way Alan Rickman and Maggie Smith handled sending 
Lockhart to "rescue" Ginny (one of my favorite parts in the book).  
I'm sure there's no love lost between Snape and McGonagall; it's 
interesting when we see them on the same side.

~Christi




From heidit at netbox.com  Mon Nov 18 16:46:12 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:46:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lucius and Draco
In-Reply-To: <arb014+v65f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02fb01c28f22$10a712c0$0301a8c0@Frodo>

Wanda wrote:

> 
> Did anyone notice that, although Lucius had been in the stands 
> watching his son's first Quidditch game, he didn't bother going to 
> see the boy when he was in the infirmary after falling off his 
> broom?  Now, I'm guessing from Madame Pomfrey's quick dismissal of 
> him that he wasn't REALLY hurt that much - I get the impression that 
> Draco is a pampered little rich boy who hasn't had to get his hands 
> dirty very often, so he'd make a big fuss over what is a trifling 
> little injury.  But it says something that his father didn't care 
> enough to come and check on him.  If Molly Weasley had been in the 
> stands and Fred or George had gotten hurt, even if they'd been 
> goofing off, I'll bet she'd have gone to see them.  She might have 
> given them a scolding, but she'd have gone.  This movie has done 
> something I wouldn't have really thought possible - it's actually 
> made me start to feel a bit sorry for Draco.

One quick point about Draco's injuries: I actually think he likely broke
a few ribs in that fall, but as we know, she can mend bones in about a
minute so by that point he was probably fine. But still, for Lucius not
to show up is very telling.  

Now, I am going to take the opening Wanda set up here and run right
through it.

Of course the story is set up to make the viewer have a bit of sympathy
for Draco. I mean, given everything Jason Isaacs has said about how he
portrayed Lucius, it's pretty odd not to have some sympathy for a kid
whose father is abusive and somewhat homicidal. And in the movies,
that's what Draco is - he's a pretty much friendless twelve year old
whose father is abusive and perfectly willing to kill kids his son's
age, or younger. 

How can you not sympathyze with that, at least a bit?

A quick read on some of Isaac's comments about the role make it clear
that Lucius is not a good father, not a kind parent, but rather is an
abusive SOB:

## When I arrived and we played the first scene, we went straight into
the first scene, and I just grabbed him by the ear, and then I rapped
him on the knuckles, and he looked up at me really hurt. I didn't know
if it was Tom or Draco that was looking so hurt, because I just thought
it was right that Lucius is a really horrible Dad, really abusive Dad.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/IsaacsInterview.html

## Lucius' relationship with his son Draco, a role reprised by 14
year-old Tom Felton (Anna and the King, The Borrowers), is vital to the
story, as well as the key to understanding why Draco is such an
antagonistic bully. "Draco has a monstrous home life," says Isaacs.
"Lucius bullies him, which makes Draco bully others. He's a chip off the
old block."

The true nature of Lucius and Draco's relationship was surprising to
young Felton. "I always thought that theirs would be quite a loving
relationship, since Lucius and Draco are both really mean people, but I
think there's actually something quite scary going on between them,"
Felton observes. "Draco always gets the rough end of the stick and is
quite afraid of his father." 
WB's official press notes,
http://movies.warnerbros.com/pub/movie/potter2/potter2notes.htm


And there's more in places like the LA Times
(http://www.calendarlive.com/printedition/calendar/suncal/cl-ca-shortsxy
z3nov03,0,2417218.story?coll=cl-suncal) and Empire Online, where they've
mentioned the Draco-and-Lucius characterisation and interaction.

Of course, we won't know the full extent of it until we actually get to
see the Borgin & Burkes scene when the DVD comes out in May, but it's
clearly going to be in line with the portrayal we see in the film, if
not crueler. 

And Jason Isaacs didn't get this from nowhere - he got it from reading
the books (I, and many others, got the same sense from the books too,
btw) and talking with the director - and if it was really utterly
noncanonical in terms of the books, he wouldn't've been able to do this
kind of portrayal, or at least Columbus and Kloves would've made it
clear that this is one area where the books and movie really diverge,
instead of touting the faithfulness to the book of the movie. Or at a
minimum, they would've had him at least show up to make sure Draco was
ok - had Draco not been in the infirmary at that point, everyone
would've presumed that caring!lucius took him to St Mungo's or
something, for The Best Medimagic Galleons Could Buy.

One thing that JKR did with the books, although in subtle and subtextual
ways in some cases, is show various ways that parents or guardians can
be abusive to their kids - with Harry, of course, it's text. We know it,
we see it. With Dudley, in contrast, JKR's already said that the
spoiling his parents do is a type of child abuse. The contrast to Draco
is interesting - because Harry sees him as like Dudley, he never bothers
to think about what it must be like to be a son to Lucius - even once he
knows how utterly evil Lucius is - and nor, from what we've seen, does
Dumbledore do anything about it. Snape, possibly, has the opportunity to
intervene, and maybe even a motive to do so, but we haven't seen any
direct evidence of that either. 

What we do see, in the books (and played out in the film) is that when
Lucius is around, and peers of either Malfoy are present, Draco doesn't
speak - not in the bookstore and not in the top box. We see Lucius
criticising him - and clearly, it's something Draco's heard before. We
see Lucius being physically cruel to others - not just the Muggles at
the campsite in GoF, but to Dobby too - and to Harry, in Dumbledore's
office, who he shoves out of the way such that Harry almost falls down. 

The movie just removes you from Harry's perspective so you can actually
see it more clearly with your own two eyes than Harry does with his. 


Heidi Tandy





From Dar20 at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 17:32:55 2002
From: Dar20 at aol.com (Darlene)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:32:55 -0000
Subject: Statue and Quotes
In-Reply-To: <arb417+nc5q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arb887+ajn5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "ameliagoldfeesh" <ameliagoldfeesh at y...> 
wrote:
> Ron's "Heart of a lion, this one." about Lockhart.
> 

I'm not sure if that was the line.  Another poster suggested "Hard to 
rely on this one," and that seems more fitting.. based on what Ron 
does afterwards.

Dar




From dfrankiswork at netscape.net  Mon Nov 18 17:35:55 2002
From: dfrankiswork at netscape.net (David)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:35:55 -0000
Subject: Some Isaacs thoughts
Message-ID: <arb8dr+rm7s@eGroups.com>

Hi, a rare appearance here.

I was a bit dissatisfied with Isaacs' Malfoy.  He comes across to me 
as very much a pantomime villain.

Isaacs has said (can't remember where - CBBC?) that he and Branagh 
had a friendly competition to see who could ham up their part more: 
from seeing the film, I believe it.  But I think that was a mistake 
on Isaacs' part for the purposes of characterisation.  Canon Malfoy 
is a genuinely sinister figure, whereas Lockhart is an over-the-top 
one, so it was OK for Branagh to do it.

Movie Malfoy was very entertaining in the style of Captain Hook, but 
he didn't frighten me as a repository of real evil.  Tom Riddle's 
actor did much better with his cool understatement: 'You won't be 
needing your wand' etc.

David, who also thought the Basilisk's teeth showed that its usual 
diet is fish: what was a plesiosaur doing in Hogwarts?




From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Mon Nov 18 18:27:29 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Jennifer Prescott)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:27:29 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Yes! Yes! Yes!
References: <53.1f51b4d5.2b06fd32@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3DD93111.1D436281@ka.reg.uci.edu>



CMeehan1 at aol.com wrote:

> I can't believe all you naysayers!  I thought the movie was AWESOME !  For me
> it is a great companion to the COS book.
>

I agree wholeheartedly!  I loved it! I saw it twice in one weekend, i loved it so much!



> Good:    Grint, Watson, Myrtle

I don't understand the people that said Rupert was the weaklink. He was great.
He matched the character of "Ron" from the books pretty well.  His character had me in stitches when I read CoS and
Rupert did a great job to portray that humor in the movie.


> Bad:      I wish they had given more screen time to Ginny Weasley & Snape

Yeah, they didn't explain a few things (i.e. i guess non-readers would assume that Ginny stole the book back from
Harry, cos they didnt say that in the movie).   The twins deserved more time as well.



> C'mon everyone - don't get so hung up on the minute details - enjoy it!

I know I did!!
It's impossible for the movie to be as good as the book -- it would have to be 8 hours long.  And the book is
always better, so why make it a negative experience?  I'd think that we're the lucky ones, to enjoy the book so
much and get a great version of it on the bigscreen.

Do we really have to wait until 2004 for PoA?  Darn.

Cheers,
Jenny




From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 18:32:59 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:32:59 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes =)
In-Reply-To: <007601c28eb1$e1e78fc0$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <arbbor+p5gc@eGroups.com>

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Richelle Posted:

>>>>>>>> For ALL those of you out there who've seen Chamber of 
Secrets, what were your favorite quotes?  I'd love to hear them.  I'm 
a huge fan of quotes in general.  If possible, favorite "good guy" 
quotes and favorite "evil guy" quotes.<<<<<<<<<<<<,,

Fyre Wood (me) replies:

Before I give you guys my quotes, I thought that I just should say 
that I haven't been online much because I've been at the movie. I've 
seen it three times already and should be seeing it once more this 
week and probably twice this weekend. (This is coming from someone 
who saw the first movie 10 times in theatres =))

And now, the quotes/scenes I liked:

Good Guy:
~~"Why is it always me?"--Neville
~~"Uhh...erm...uh"--Ron during the akward hug scene (Oh so brilliant 
Ron, really! I could just tell you were soo wanting that 
hug</sarcasm>)
~~"Voldemort killed my parents. He was nothing more than a murderer!"-
-Harry... =)


"Bad" Guy (they're soo cute!):
~~"I didn't know that you could read!"--Draco =)
~~"Voldemort is my past.... my present... and my future"--Tom Riddle.

Did anyone else like the way that Tom Riddle did the flame writing 
with the wand? I also liked how he could do spells by just waving his 
hand. Oh so brilliant!

--Fyre Wood, who realizes that she's going to be just about as poor 
as the Weasley family when the HPCoS movie leaves theatres.






From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 18:38:24 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:38:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse/Ron's lines
In-Reply-To: <ar5aga+tl0r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118183824.38855.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com>

bboy_m wrote:
 
> PS: was it just me, or were a lot of Ron's lines
> given to Hermione?
> 

I don't think it's just you.  They gave a bunch of
lines to Hermione.  Dumbledore's (I'm paraphrasing
here - unfortunately I don't have the books here,
although that is probably fortunate for my employer)
"Fear of the name only increases fear of the thing
itself."

Ron's explaination of mudblood was given to Hermione,
which really bummed me out, because his reaction to
Draco, and the fact that Hermione and Harry don't know
exactly what the big deal is about, is one of my
favorite Ron moments in the book.

Did anyone else think that the whole "mudblood" scene
was played down?  Again, I don't have the books in
front of me, but I was looking forward to see the
Gryffindor team really let the Syltherins have it.
 


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From beccablue42 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 18:42:22 2002
From: beccablue42 at hotmail.com (beccablue42)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:42:22 -0000
Subject: Lucius and Draco
In-Reply-To: <arb014+v65f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbcae+h33m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Wanda Sherratt" <wsherratt3338 at r...> wrote:
> Did anyone notice that, although Lucius had been in the stands 
> watching his son's first Quidditch game, he didn't bother going to 
> see the boy when he was in the infirmary after falling off his 
> broom?  Now, I'm guessing from Madame Pomfrey's quick dismissal of 
> him that he wasn't REALLY hurt that much - I get the impression 
that 
> Draco is a pampered little rich boy who hasn't had to get his hands 
> dirty very often, so he'd make a big fuss over what is a trifling 
> little injury.  But it says something that his father didn't care 
> enough to come and check on him.  If Molly Weasley had been in the 
> stands and Fred or George had gotten hurt, even if they'd been 
> goofing off, I'll bet she'd have gone to see them.  She might have 
> given them a scolding, but she'd have gone.  This movie has done 
> something I wouldn't have really thought possible - it's actually 
> made me start to feel a bit sorry for Draco.
> 
> Wanda

I thought a lot about what Wanda said before responding, and I think 
what struck me about this scene was how thematically appropriate it 
was. Seeing Lucius at the match and then absent from the hospital, I 
was reminded, not of Mrs. Weasley, but of Vernon Dursley. Now, Vernon 
wouldn't be caught dead within 200 feet of wizzards, but were he to 
witness Harry's injuries, he would (as Harry poignantly reminds us at 
the end of COS- the book) be dissapointed that the bludger had come 
so close to Harry's head and yet avoided killing him. A major theme 
in COS in both forms is the "not who you are but what you choose" 
bit, and JKR loves to show us how similar--and yet how different--
Harry and his enemies are. I too feel some sympathy for Draco, and 
can't help but notice that he is as negleted and abused as Harry is--
and by his own parents, no less! Harry has not yet come to a point 
where he can objectively look at Malfoy or Riddle and see the 
frightened, abused children that they are. But we can see from our 
vantage point that the difference between Harry and Riddle and Malfoy 
is that Harry rose above the abuse and neglect and found people who 
cared about him. He flourished because he made different choices. 
Malfoy has so far gone the way of the bully, while Riddle dabbled in 
both perfectionism and all-out mania. This scene then, while not 
cannonical, fits an overal theme of showing the audience that Harry 
is different, not because of any priveledged situation, but because 
of the choices he has made. 

Becca




From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Mon Nov 18 19:20:21 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Jennifer Prescott)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:20:21 -0800
Subject: Probably the most thorough review written...:-D
References: <ar5q3g+he26@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DD93D75.EB4593B4@ka.reg.uci.edu>



Megan wrote:

> Okay, overall Harry seems to be 1 of 3 things at all times: politely
> bewildered in his silly nave way, an almost genuis figuring out the
> mystery, and brave Harry who can fight with a sword and get us out of
> sticky messes.  Why do these seem to be the only things Harry can
> convey?  If it weren't for the fact that he were the focus of this
> movie, then I can see how we all might wonder why exactly he's so
> good.  He just seems FLAT in CoS.

To me, Harry in the movie is quite like Harry in the books.
For a boy who was brought up by mean/cruel realitves, it wouldn't be expected that he would have a great range of
emotions. It was discouraged for him to have any emotions at all.  Why would he suddenly get to  Hogwarts and have
no trouble displaying them?  He keeps his emotions under wraps.  Any emotions that we, the reader, are aware of,
are only evident because we get to view his thoughts, not just his actions.    I really didn't see Harry as flat at
all. He's quite in character, if you ask me.   Just my opinion.  :o)




From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 19:27:34 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:27:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in CoS/final scene
In-Reply-To: <F104BEV5hDubiuj7u2M000064b7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20021118192734.40281.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Gail Bohacek <gandharvika at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Now, when I saw that last scene, where all the kids
> are gathering around 
> Hagrid, and everybody's applauding, the first thing
> I thought was, "Uh, 
> oh...it's for sure...Hagrid's gonna bite the big one
> in book five."  My bets 
> were on Dumbledore, but now I've changed my mind.
> 
> Did anybody else think like this or is it just me?

I did too.  Otherwise, why all the Hagird love at the
end?  Either they didn't know how to end it, so they
came up with something really hackneyed, or they are
trying to make sure everyone knows exactly how much
the kids, minus Draco, love Hagrid.

I'm also wondering why not keep the subplot with Percy
and Penelope and end the movie on the train with Ginny
telling her brothers what she saw?  It wouldn't have
taken up that much time to include these little bits
of conversation.



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From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 19:35:30 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question (CoS)/Madam Pince
In-Reply-To: <3CC72DABA90EFC4393E75D76A0E5674073FCC1@mog02.MG.COMM>
Message-ID: <20021118193530.86470.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Meredith Hale <mhale at museumofglass.org> wrote:
> I think it's Madame Pince.  She appears in the
> library scene where the Hufflepuffs are glaring at
> Harry.  I thought at first it was Prof. Sinistra,
> but second viewing I noticed her in the library.
>  
> Meredith
> 

I agree.  Also, at imdb - not always the most reliable
source, I know - they have the role credited to Sally
Mortemore.  Unfortunately her picture is not available
at the site.

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From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 20:08:32 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Request for CoS favorite quotes =)
In-Reply-To: <arbbor+p5gc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118200832.17896.qmail@web20802.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm not sure if this counts as a quote, but it was
absolutely hilarious and certainly one of my favorite
scenes in the movie. 

S

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S

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E


I was quite tickled by the scene in the Great Hall,
just prior to Hagrid's return, in which Dumbledore
announces end-of-term exams have been cancelled.
There's a roar of delight in the hall, as all the
students celebrate their good fortune, but Hermione,
clearly mortified, mouths "Oh, no!" to Ron and Harry.
Hermione at her finest! I loved it!

-Jessica :) 

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From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Nov 18 20:13:23 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:13:23 -0000
Subject: My CoS review
Message-ID: <arbhl3+s5q8@eGroups.com>

Go
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See
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***1/2* (that's three and a half stars) -- why? Because bringing a 
literary fantasy to the screen is an extraordinarily difficult task, 
and any film that can manage that and still be a coherent 
entertainment gets three stars from me. A lot of more stylish 
directors have fouled up on that simple-sounding but 
oh-so-difficult task. The half star is for the  things that were
utterly enchanting: the Weasley House, the dueling club scene, 
and Snape and McGonagall's good cop/bad cop act. Branagh's 
Lockhart kept a smile on my face the whole time he was on the 
screen--and I never thought Lockhart in the book was all that 
funny.

Jason Isaac's Lucius Malfoy was so elegantly nasty. I don't 
understand the controversy about him threatening Harry with his 
wand--that's in the book. Is there anyone who *doesn't* think 
Lucius is capable of murder? 

 I liked the contrast between Snape's concern over Draco's 
injuries at the Quidditch match, while Lucius just looks annoyed, 
and the really telling scene in which the Slytherin team huddles 
around Draco in the Hospital Wing while Lucius isn't even there.

I agree with Gail--as soon as I heard that "There's no Hogwarts 
without you, Hagrid," line, I turned to my seatmate and said, 
"He's toast." Those cheering scenes are just made to be 
revisited in flashback with a dewy coating of vaseline (or 
computer-generated blurring, these days).

I like the way Rupert Grint does Ron. Overplayed Ron is a 
necessary contrast to underplayed Harry--and Harry *has* to be 
underplayed. He's an enigma to those around him  in the books. 
That's not going to be credible if the audience can read 
everything he's thinking on his face. 

The same with Myrtle...in the books I feel sorry for her, but  it has 
to be credible that even sympathetic characters avoid her, which 
means her unpleasantness has to be played up on the screen. 
She put across the idea of a decaying psychic energy very well, I 
think.

The effects were much more consistent than the first movie. Only 
Fawkes was unconvincing at times...I think I wanted him to look 
*less* like a real bird. The spider sequence went on too long, but 
the basilisk battle was just right. 

Pippin




From wynnde1 at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 20:35:54 2002
From: wynnde1 at aol.com (wynnde1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:35:54 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] COS Intermission in the UK?
Message-ID: <19b.bfbb7de.2b0aa92a@aol.com>

Dave wrote:

> I recently learned that movies in the UK routinely have intermissions 
> somewhere in the middle of the movie.
> 
> Could someone in the UK please confirm, 1) that there was an intermission 
> for COS when you saw it and 2) exactly where it came in the movie 
> (after/before what scene, etc.)
> 

I saw it in a preview on the 8th at the UCI cinema in Edinburgh, and there 
was no intermission. I've never been to a film in the UK where there was an 
intermission (I've lived in Scotland for two years and haven't seen a whole 
lot of films, but I go occasionally. Although I did see PS eight times <G>).

I don't think I've seen a film with an intermission for something like 20 
years (I seem to remember having one occasionally seeing films as a child. I 
grew up in Los Angeles).

Hope this helps!
Wendy


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From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 21:00:37 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:00:37 -0000
Subject: My CoS review
In-Reply-To: <arbhl3+s5q8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbkdl+md5i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
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> 
> ***1/2* (that's three and a half stars) 

Ummm...would that be on a four-star or five-star system?  Just 
curious ;-)

> Jason Isaac's Lucius Malfoy was so elegantly nasty. I don't 
> understand the controversy about him threatening Harry with his 
> wand--that's in the book. Is there anyone who *doesn't* think 
> Lucius is capable of murder? 

I think so...but I still doubt he's capable of it if there's a better-
than-even chance of his getting caught.  And with Dumbledore close 
by, there's a better-than-even chance.  My remaining thoughts on the 
subject are posted elsewhere.
 
> 
> The same with Myrtle...in the books I feel sorry for her, but  it 
has 
> to be credible that even sympathetic characters avoid her, which 
> means her unpleasantness has to be played up on the screen. 
> She put across the idea of a decaying psychic energy very well, I 
> think.

I don't know if it had to do with Shirley Henderson's performance or 
the fact that my mind was wired to it at the time, but I really began 
to appreciate how truly awful Myrtle's fate is.  First off, she died 
in a public restroom, which for my money is one of the most 
undignified places to meet the Reaper.  Secondly, she's stuck forever 
as an adolescent, facing generation after generation of mean-spirited 
kids throwing things at her and making fun of her acne.  I'm certain 
that would be my fate in the next world, if I don't behave myself in 
this one.  No wonder she's so cranky.

~Christi




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 18 21:35:38 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:35:38 -0000
Subject: 'Mudblood' scene
Message-ID: <arbmfa+aac3@eGroups.com>

I wasn't too crazy about the way this scene was done, with all the 
explaning being given to Hermione instead of Ron, plus her getting 
teary-eyed about it.  But I have to sympathize with the moviemakers 
and I think I can see why they thought they had to do that.  A movie 
has to SHOW things - this "racial slur" theme is important, and we 
have to feel that it's important and serious.  But how can we really 
feel that if the people most involved don't feel it?  It makes 
perfect sense in the book that Hermione would be quite innocent of 
what a dirty insult Malfoy had thrown at her; as someone said, her 
knowledge of the wizarding world comes mostly from books, and she's 
not likely to have come across this seamier side there.  But there's 
a danger that if the scene had been filmed the way it was written in 
the book, the audience would think, "Well, if Hermione doesn't mind, 
why should I?  It can't be that bad after all."  No, in order to 
make us feel how prejudice hurts, they show us the actual hurt - 
Hermione with her eyes full of tears.  The other way is too 
intellectual, takes too long and just doesn't work in a movie.  
Maybe someone else could have pulled it off, but I think it would 
have been difficult.  I think this is just one of the 
inevitable "flattening" moments that are bound to happen when a book 
is transferred to the screen.




From editor at texas.net  Mon Nov 18 22:06:45 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:06:45 -0600
Subject: Nice touch on the older robes
Message-ID: <013501c28f4e$c982aa80$4d04a6d8@texas.net>

Spoilers seem to be going the way of the dinosaurs, but I for one will
continue until our MovieMod tells us it's okay not to....
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I noticed that Tom Riddle's and Moaning Myrtle's robes matched; both had the
full Hogwarts coat of arms, rather than house-specific coat, on them. Nice
way for the movie people to either deal with something they aren't sure
about, or to conceal things as requested by JKR--to make it an earlier
version of school robes, and to be consistent with it.

~Amanda, who wishes to point out to everyone by this post that she *is*
capable of posting a complete thought that does not include a certain
potions master




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 22:10:06 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:10:06 -0000
Subject: Flabby Snape?
In-Reply-To: <arara0+445j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbofu+mkp6@eGroups.com>

> I wonder if he knows whta snape does in the later books. I know JK
> told Robbie Coltrane some things about Hagrid. What do we think?

Yes, JKR also took Rickman aside and told him things about Severus 
Snape that have yet to be revealed in the books. OH to have been a 
fly on THAT wall!
Melpomene




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 22:19:52 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:19:52 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
In-Reply-To: <015301c28eab$c4f15fa0$6401a8c0@gryffindor>
Message-ID: <arbp28+8prl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Dave Haber" <aberforth at w...> wrote:
> Has anyone been able to document the new spells used in the Chamber 
of Secrets movie?  I'm not sure I even remember where they all were, 
but a few are:
> 
> 1. When Snape destroys the snake Malfoy created with Serpensortia
> 2. The spell that seems to force things away, Harry used it to get 
the spider of Ron in the car, I believe the same spell was used 
elsewhere in the movie
> 
> I'd like to add these as soon as possible to the spells database on 
wizardingwireless.net (click on "Kwikspell Spell Assistant" to play 
with it).  Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 

As far as I've been able to remember the spell Snape used was 
pronounced "ih-raneeya ev-an-eh-skah". Whatever it was the way he 
said it made it sound absolutely beautiful IMHO. (and not a little 
like parseltongue.)  I think this is the spell Lockhart tried to use 
(and failed, throwing the snake in the air) and possibly the one 
Harry tried with the same half result. 

Melpomene




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 21:53:14 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:53:14 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler; Ron Thoughts and the trio
Message-ID: <v01540b00b9feaccc3f36@[195.184.231.232]>

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Sorry, don't know who said this:-
>> In my earlier lengthy rant, I forgot to mention something that
>> Kloves/Columbus had Ron do that really was shockingly OOC, IMO.  In
>> the chamber after Lockhart has had Ron's wand backfire on him, he
>> says something (can't recall what) and Ron says, "heart of a lion,
>> this one"  which was really kind of funny.  Then he HITS HIM IN THE
>> HEAD WITH A ROCK!  Someone else mentioned this earlier and thought
>> it was funny.  I thought it was appalling and completely
>> inappropriate.

I agree. I know that it's hinted at in the book, and in the book, it was
justifiable. In the movie, because we didn't have the necessary insight
into Ron's frustration with Lockhart, and it just looked like a piece of
senseless violence.

This was Andrea:-
>Well, for one thing, I'm fairly certain Ron said, "Hard to rely on this
>one," not heart of a lion.

No, it was 'heart of a lion'. I was unexpectedly given the day off work, so
went to see CoS again, in an almost-empty theatre; great!

I concentrated on the trio this time. Some comments:-

I stand by what I said earlier about DR doing it all with his eyes. He's
particularly good at the 'well, if you say so, but I'm not really
convinced' expression, which he achieves with a sort of stare and a small
nod; noticed it esp. when Dumbledore was telling him that yes, he *did*
belong in Gryffindor, and sort of remembered it from PS/SS as well.

I also liked his 'dying' scene. If I remember correctly, the book says that
Harry felt numbed as the basilisk poison took hold; DR conveyed that very
well.

Some good things about Emma Watson's performance; I think that it was
pretty clear that she had a crush on Lockhart, from the way in which she
applauded him in Flourish and Blotts, with a nice little movement of her
head. When she does her big crying scene with the mudblood explanation, I
believed her, not because of the tears, but because she managed to make her
voice wobble partway through.

Rupert was most convincing when he was behaving as he did in PS/SS; as
Harry's guide to the wizard world.

No intermissions at the local multiplex; I think that that mostly happens
in smaller theatres, where ice-cream sales are very important to overall
profitability!

Regards,
Nicholas







From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 21:53:15 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:53:15 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler; Re: COS: New Incantations
Message-ID: <v01540b01b9feafdbf731@[195.184.231.232]>

Spoiler

Spoiler

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Cristina said:-

><snip>
>> 2. The spell that seems to force things away, Harry used it to get
>>the spider of Ron in the car, I believe the same spell was used
>>elsewhere in the movie
>
>Actually, what I noticed with this spell (it sounds like "aranun
>exime" - *definitely not* how it's spelled, but you get the idea),


arania exime.

Is 'arania' Latin for spider? Sounds like it might be.

Regards,
Nicholas





From gandharvika at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 18 22:50:12 2002
From: gandharvika at hotmail.com (Gail Bohacek)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:50:12 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in CoS
Message-ID: <F247e7MhYOG6v2dCfkc00007cf4@hotmail.com>

> > Spoiler space, just in case...
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Wanda Wrote About Foreshadowing Hagrid's Death In The Movie:

>You could be right, but I have to say, I think it's a big mistake to
>start foreshadowing something like that at THIS stage.  I mean,
>let's face it, Hagrid's eventual removal, if it comes, is at least 3
>or maybe even 4 movies away (if they make GoF in 2 parts).  We're
>talking years down the road, it's a bit pointless to start dropping
>hints this early.  If it had to be done, a poignant scene at the end
>of GoF, maybe when he goes off on Dumbledore's mission to the
>giants, would have worked much better.  No one is going to remember
>this moment from CoS five years from now, and I sure hope the
>message isn't going to be rubbed in with similar hints in future
>movies.

The way I was thinking was that this movie has been released before OoP (Oh, 
OoP!  WHERE are you???) and that the kiddies, to which this movie has been 
targeted towards, are going to watch the movie before they read the book.  
So, when that glorious day does come, and OoP is released, the kiddies will 
probably still remember that happy scene in the movie where everybody loves 
Hagrid so.

Didn't I hear somewhere on his list that JKR gave the Columbus a preview 
copy of the new book?  If so, then Columbus knows what's gonna happen and 
thus added that scene.  At least that's my take on it.

And My Good Ol' Filking Buddy Ol' Pal Wrote:

>I'm back from a brief HP hiatus!  Didn't want to have
>the film spoiled for me before I got a chance to see
>it, you know.  :)

Hi Nicole!  Been wondering about you!  Good to see you're back.

-Gail B.

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From richasi at azlance.com  Mon Nov 18 22:58:23 2002
From: richasi at azlance.com (Richasi)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:58:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SPOILER: Lucius and the Curse
In-Reply-To: <006b01c28eb1$5f24d480$eea2cdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <002301c28f56$009f6240$40d21b18@cfl.rr.com>

> > >  S
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> From: Richelle Votaw [mailto:rvotaw at i-55.com]

> I just had a thought.  Perhaps Jason Isaacs actually 
> suggested that Lucius start "Avada . . ."  He has stated that he 
> read the books, so he would know about the curse.  He'd know exactly 
> who Lucius was and what he was up to. But he may not have studied 
> them carefully enough to think about it being irrational.

I didn't catch it on my first viewing but I made sure to listen for
it the second time (couldn't believe i missed it) but honestly I
don't have a problem with his intended use. Sure, it's not in the
book and it might not make sense to utter it there but he was
quite angry at losing something "valuable" to him.  '

The book states that he "lunged at Harry". Quite honestly, that
sounds pretty weak. But to potentially kill him with the Avada
Kedavra curse, well, that's pretty bad and shows just how evil
Malfoy is.


> hope Mr. Potter will always be around to save the day." 
> Followed by Harry's
> "Don't worry, I will be."  All in a moment of improvisation, 
> and telling

Improv can come up with some GREAT material. And I thought this 
line was excellent and had me salivating once I saw it in the trailer.
It just made perfect sense to me, regardless of what was in the book.


Richasi







From foxmoth at qnet.com  Mon Nov 18 23:02:59 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:02:59 -0000
Subject: My CoS review
In-Reply-To: <arbkdl+md5i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbrj3+qtbe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "c_voth312" <divaclv at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:
>  Go
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> > ***1/2* (that's three and a half stars) 
> 
> Ummm...would that be on a four-star or five-star system?  Just 
> curious ;-)

Four star system, with four if it takes movie-making to a new 
level, and none at all if, well, anybody here ever see Soylent 
Green? <g>

> 
> > Jason Isaac's Lucius Malfoy was so elegantly nasty. I don't 
> > understand the controversy about him threatening Harry with 
his 
> > wand--that's in the book. Is there anyone who *doesn't* think 
> > Lucius is capable of murder? 
> 
> I think so...but I still doubt he's capable of it if there's a
better-
> than-even chance of his getting caught.  And with Dumbledore 
close  by, there's a better-than-even chance.  

The man was already mad enough to kick his House Elf and to 
almost knock Harry over in Dumbledore's presence--both of 
those are canon, as is Lucius drawing his wand just down the 
hall from Dumbledore. The only difference is that in the book the 
final interview takes place in McGonagall's office rather than 
Dumbledore's. Lucius is a violent man and I think he just plain 
lost his temper. For a moment there was nothing in his mind 
except rage and the desire to hurt Harry.  

Pippin




From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:08:24 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:08:24 -0000
Subject: Nice touch on the older robes
In-Reply-To: <013501c28f4e$c982aa80$4d04a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <arbrt8+5ckk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
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> I noticed that Tom Riddle's and Moaning Myrtle's robes matched; 
both had the
> full Hogwarts coat of arms, rather than house-specific coat, on 
them. Nice
> way for the movie people to either deal with something they aren't 
sure
> about, or to conceal things as requested by JKR--to make it an 
earlier
> version of school robes, and to be consistent with it.

Ah, as I posted earlier in my review of CoS, I believe Tom's Prefect 
Badge is Green (while Percy's is Red). Those of you who will watch 
this movie over and over and over (I saw it twice in one day, that's 
enough for me), could you watch for that in the Chamber scene and 
report back???
Thanks, 
Andrea/Kattrap




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 22:15:18 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:15:18 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in COS
Message-ID: <v01540b00b9ff128beb55@[195.184.228.128]>


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Margaret said:-

>b) "There is no Hogwarts without you, Hagrid,"
>represents the stability Hagrid will provide in
>Harry's otherwise tumultuous life at Hogwarts. In
>which case, can we look to Dumbledore as the probable
>character destined for demise in Book 5, ie., allegory
>to the Phoenix dying then rising from the ashes?

I saw Richard Harris on a couple of interviews when PS/SS was released, and
he was making a big deal about being signed for seven movies; said that he
had told Ian Hart (who played Quirrell) that he was lucky because his
character was dead, and that he wished that the same had happened to
Dumbledore. He was extremely clear about the seven-movie deal.

This is my only reason for thinking this; however, if I were a betting
person, I would say that Dumbledore will bite the dust in Book 7 and Harry
will in some way take over his role as the greatest living wizard, and
maybe even headmaster of Hogwarts.

I agree that Hagrid is probably toast in OoP.

Just my 2c.

Regards,
Nicholas





From southernscotland at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:12:26 2002
From: southernscotland at yahoo.com (\lila phillips)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:12:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Daniel, the little cutie
Message-ID: <20021118231226.15774.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

>From the Leaky Cauldron (www.the-leaky-cauldron.org)


Dan Radcliffe is quoted in the new issue of Reader's
Digest on his thoughts about Christmas:


"The moment when I understood there is an amazing man
who visits children all over the world and gives them
presents was mysterious and magical for me." 

"I remember making sure that my list had been sent
weeks before, that Santa had food, and of course, a
drink for all those tired reindeer. I even remember
the feel of my warm pajamas after my bath. Sleeping
was such a problem that night, but eventually I did,
and, oh, when I woke!" 

"I loved the biscuit with the bite taken out of it,
and Santa's reply saying that he hoped I'd enjoyed the
presents and that he hadn't forgotten anything - and
he hadn't! That was what was so miraculous. He knew
everything - even things I had mentioned months ago
but had forgotten." 

"Now I'm a little older, but I still believe in the
spirit of that man who dashes all over the world
making children smile on Christmas morning."


After reading that, keep telling me I cannot dash over
to his house and bring that little precious woobie
home with me! Keep telling me I don't need another
kid!

(my inner Molly Weasley is showing!)

Aaaaw...

lilahp

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From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 23:13:30 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:13:30 -0000
Subject: Nice touch on the older robes
In-Reply-To: <arbrt8+5ckk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbs6q+4lp1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Andrea" <kattrap_meow at y...> wrote:

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> Ah, as I posted earlier in my review of CoS, I believe Tom's 
Prefect 
> Badge is Green (while Percy's is Red). Those of you who will watch 
> this movie over and over and over (I saw it twice in one day, 
that's 
> enough for me), could you watch for that in the Chamber scene and 
> report back???

I noticed this the first time through--well, I didn't know it was his 
prefect badge, but I did see Riddle had a green-and-silver pin on the 
left shoulder of his robe.
Which puts the sepia-toned aspect of the whole flashback sequence 
into an interesting light...could it be Riddle did this deliberately, 
in order to literally conceal his "true colors"?  Harry would very 
likely distrust a Slytherin on general principle, after all...

~Christi




From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 23:21:56 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:21:56 -0000
Subject: My CoS review
In-Reply-To: <arbrj3+qtbe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbsmk+bqfq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "pippin_999" <foxmoth at q...> wrote:

> >  Go
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> 
> The man was already mad enough to kick his House Elf and to 
> almost knock Harry over in Dumbledore's presence--both of 
> those are canon, as is Lucius drawing his wand just down the 
> hall from Dumbledore. The only difference is that in the book the 
> final interview takes place in McGonagall's office rather than 
> Dumbledore's. Lucius is a violent man and I think he just plain 
> lost his temper. For a moment there was nothing in his mind 
> except rage and the desire to hurt Harry.  

Yes, but there's a difference between kicking one's own personal 
house elf or behaving in a generally rude manner and doing something 
that's a one-way ticket to Azkaban (a place Lucius has been taking 
*great* pains to avoid!).  I think Lucius knows Dumbledore isn't 
fooled by his respectable front, and so isn't taking any pains to 
hide it.  But that doesn't mean he's going to try to AK Harry on 
Dumbledore's own doorstep.
I do think the "lost his temper" interpretation is rather valid, 
though--after all, Lucius has been right in the middle of the whole 
opening the Chamber plot from the first, and (forgive the 
expression!) he would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been 
for that meddling kid.  Losing Dobby might very well be the last 
straw.  I just prefer the notion that Lucius was going after Dobby 
instead--it just clicks better in my mind, for some reason.

~Christi




From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:30:15 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:30:15 -0000
Subject: Small bits to ponder..
Message-ID: <arbt67+10770@eGroups.com>

Spoiler Space
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Mandrake repotting scene: Neville faints. 
In canon, Neville's best subject is Herbology, why make him faint?

(MNSHO: fainting sequence and lines didn't belong)

Basilisk: My earlier post (nostrils) clearly shows how little I 
remember about how snakes are put together. The "nostril looking" 
area is for some sort of heat seeking, right? (in which case, my 
final summery would still hold true that the snake shouldn't rely on 
hearing Harry)

And did anyone else think that the horses that took the students 
away for Christmas holiday looked like they might be unicorns?

-Andrea/Kattrap, who's housemates are really starting to laugh at 
her, now that not only did she spend all day friday watching CoS, 
but is now spending all her free time reading and posting about a 
movie that she's not recommending to non HP fans.. :) 





From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:35:12 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:35:12 -0000
Subject: Nice touch on the older robes
In-Reply-To: <arbs6q+4lp1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbtfg+kpkq@eGroups.com>

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>  R
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Andrea" <kattrap_meow at y...> wrote:
> > Ah, as I posted earlier in my review of CoS, I believe Tom's 
> Prefect 
> > Badge is Green (while Percy's is Red). 

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "c_voth312" <divaclv at a...> wrote:
> I noticed this the first time through--well, I didn't know it was 
his 
> prefect badge, but I did see Riddle had a green-and-silver pin on 
the 
> left shoulder of his robe.
> Which puts the sepia-toned aspect of the whole flashback sequence 
> into an interesting light...could it be Riddle did this 
deliberately, 
> in order to literally conceal his "true colors"?  Harry would very 
> likely distrust a Slytherin on general principle, after all...

Glad that someone else noticed it!
ooooh..I didn't think of that [true colors].. good call!

-Andrea/Kattrap




From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:35:45 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:35:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Nice touch on the older robes
In-Reply-To: <013501c28f4e$c982aa80$4d04a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20021118233545.27716.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Amanda Geist <editor at texas.net> wrote:
> S
> S
> S
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> I noticed that Tom Riddle's and Moaning Myrtle's
> robes matched; both had the
> full Hogwarts coat of arms, rather than
> house-specific coat, on them. 

Nice catch.  I didn't notice Moaning Myrtle's coat of
arms, so I assumed Tom's had something to do with the
fact the he was head-boy, but after checking this
timeline

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/nvdaydreamer/pers/hptl.htm

it looks like Tom was named Head Boy a year later. 
Can anyone confirm this?

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From joym999 at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 23:38:58 2002
From: joym999 at aol.com (Joy M)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:38:58 -0000
Subject: Hagrid in COS
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00b9ff128beb55@[195.184.228.128]>
Message-ID: <arbtmi+vsqr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:
> I saw Richard Harris on a couple of interviews when PS/SS was 
released, and
> he was making a big deal about being signed for seven movies; said 
that he
> had told Ian Hart (who played Quirrell) that he was lucky because 
his
> character was dead, and that he wished that the same had happened to
> Dumbledore. He was extremely clear about the seven-movie deal.

Considering that JKR only sold the movie rights to the first 3 books, 
this doesn't seem likely.

--Joywitch




From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 18 23:51:04 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:51:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] 'Mudblood' scene
In-Reply-To: <arbmfa+aac3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118235104.31314.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Wanda Sherratt <wsherratt3338 at rogers.com> wrote:

>  It makes 
> perfect sense in the book that Hermione would be
> quite innocent of 
> what a dirty insult Malfoy had thrown at her; as
> someone said, her 
> knowledge of the wizarding world comes mostly from
> books, and she's 
> not likely to have come across this seamier side
> there.  But there's 
> a danger that if the scene had been filmed the way
> it was written in 
> the book, the audience would think, "Well, if
> Hermione doesn't mind, 
> why should I?  It can't be that bad after all."  

This is an interesting take on the problems of
adapting this scene.  But my only quibble is that
since they removed the Gryffindor reaction, it is
unclear just how bad this word is in the wizarding
world.  

I think the movie does a poor job of 'showing' how bad
the word is.  The movie instead just 'tells' us by
having Hermione explain it away.  

Including the Gryffindors reaction, Hermione's tears
-to show she knows what it means and is hurt by it I
agree with you, this is important - and Ron's
explanation would have gone a long way to show just
how bad the word is, and include a bit more of Ron's
characterization which in my book is never a bad
thing.

Claire - who probably is just making a fuss because
she wanted to see the Weasleys defend Hermione.

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From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 18 23:55:33 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:55:33 -0000
Subject: 'Mudblood' scene
In-Reply-To: <20021118235104.31314.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <arbull+t50m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Claire <dis_aliter_visum at y...> wrote:
> --- Wanda Sherratt <wsherratt3338 at r...> wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting take on the problems of
> adapting this scene.  But my only quibble is that
> since they removed the Gryffindor reaction, it is
> unclear just how bad this word is in the wizarding
> world.  

I think the intent was to have the Gryffindors shocked by the fact 
that Malfoy had actually used the word in the first place (much the 
same way most of us would be shocked to hear a person use certain 
racial slurs).  If you listen, there's some uncomfortable murmuring 
during Hermione's reaction shot.  On the whole, I think I prefered 
the "outrage" reaction in the book--I liked having the Gryffindors 
stand up for one of their own.
 
~Christi




From foxmoth at qnet.com  Tue Nov 19 00:00:20 2002
From: foxmoth at qnet.com (pippin_999)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:00:20 -0000
Subject: Hagrid in COS
In-Reply-To: <arbtmi+vsqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbuuk+4c9i@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Joy M" <joym999 at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:
> > I saw Richard Harris on a couple of interviews when PS/SS 
was 
> released, and <snip>
. He was extremely clear about the seven-movie deal.

Joywitch 
> Considering that JKR only sold the movie rights to the first 3 
books,  this doesn't seem likely.
> 

I believe what Warner Bros owns for all the books is the right to 
keep rivals at bay, which, according to the LA Times, they 
purchased for a mere $50,000 just before HP became a 
sensation. There's an interesting article at 

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-potter18nov1
8001442,0,6090357.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dfrontpage

(you'll have to rebuild the link) explaining why there'll be no HP 
movie next year and saying that Warners has closed a deal with 
Steven Kloves to script GoF, in one movie if possible, but two if 
its not.  I'd say it's not...

Pippin




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 00:07:39 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:07:39 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes/ Herbology scene question
In-Reply-To: <arapjl+tmec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbvcb+dhti@eGroups.com>

> "We'll be sending Potter to the hospital wing in a matchbox." - 
> Snape, duelling scene.

Ha HA! Which, as we all know, he would DEARLY love to do!

This was an interesting line change from the book where this 
reference was to Justin who, in the book, was paired against Neville 
(correct me if I'm wrong) In this case it actually worked due to the 
devastation Ron's wand had been causing throughout the first half of 
the movie.

Melpomene




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 00:17:52 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:17:52 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <arb4ns+21ge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arbvvg+4deq@eGroups.com>

> Ginny.  My impression from both book and film was that the faculty 
a) 
> kind of figured out that Lockhart was full of it (I'm sure Snape 
did, 
> at the very least), and b) had given Ginny up for dead or worse 
> already.  Sending him off on the "rescue mission" was pretty much 
an 
> excuse to get him out of their hair, and little more than that.


Absolutely! Snape gets rid of him and McGonnagal immediatly follows 
up with something along the lines of "Well that's him OUT OF THE 
WAY." Then they get moving. (I'd look it up...just went to do so but 
the books have all "mysteriously" disappeared into my son's bedroom!) 
It was very clear that the staff had no intention of sending Lockhart 
after the monster.




From lita at sailordom.com  Tue Nov 19 00:52:10 2002
From: lita at sailordom.com (Lita)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in COS
In-Reply-To: <arbuuk+4c9i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021118174429.N14882-100000@nightwing.sailordom.com>

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, pippin_999 wrote:

> (you'll have to rebuild the link) explaining why there'll be no HP
> movie next year and saying that Warners has closed a deal with
> Steven Kloves to script GoF, in one movie if possible, but two if
> its not.  I'd say it's not...

I don't think it's likely, either. It's an adaptation to
give any screenwriter nightmares--it's too long for one
film, but there's not really a way to make two stories out
of it.

The article was interesting. And while it's true that there
won't be any Harry Potter next year because of the filming
schedule, it's unlikely we would have had PoA any sooner
than summer 2004, anyway, because of pure Warner release
scheduling issues. They've been saying the earlist it the
third movie could be released was 2004. Next year is full-up
with the Matrix sequels, Terminator 3, and LOTR: Return of the
King.

Lita, who's new. :)
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From draco382 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 00:26:23 2002
From: draco382 at yahoo.com (draco382)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:26:23 -0000
Subject: CoS SPOILER:  My Very long Review
In-Reply-To: <20021118183824.38855.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <arc0ff+kbnl@eGroups.com>

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Hello all,
just emerging from lurkdom to post my two cents on CoS, having seen 
it twice this weekend. (which is apparently nothing compared to some 
of the others!)  

Good Bits:

Did anyone else absolutely love the whole Diary scene?  I have to 
say, Columbus's directly definetly left quite a lot to be desired, 
but I particulary loved the way this one scene was done.  Very 
creepy to start out with, with the diary flipping itself and 
displaying "june 13, 1950" and then with the sucking in of 
Harry...etc.  Wow...sepia for everything else and Harry in 
color...very nice touch indeed.  

And of course, Tom Riddle.  Christian Coulson was absolutely spiffy, 
although I somehow always pictured him as being somewhat light-
hearted when Harry first meets him, and slowly becoming more and 
more psychotic as the conversation between him and Harry 
progresses.  well, that didn't REALLY happen, but i'll still take 
what I got in the movie, and oh yes: please sir, may I have some 
more!!??

Quidditch was really great!!  A little sudden...that was a quick 
segway from the library to the quidditch pitch.  Nice FX and the 
scene where Harry is on the ground post-arm break dodging the 
bludger (which comes close to hitting some rather sensitive places!) 
is a good touch.  When everyone is huddled around Harry and 
Lockhart, there are some good reactions from everyone.  What a funny 
scene.

Crabbe and Goyle:  Hey, those kids are good!  Well, we didn't 
actually get to hear their voices, but I thought they did a great 
job as Harry and Ron acting like Crabbe and Goyle.  and Draco was 
pretty darn funny...who knew!

Not-So-Great Bits:

Well, as much as i hate to admit it...I just really didn't dig 
Daniel Radcliffe that much in this film.  Hey, don't get me 
wrong...I think he's a wonderful actor, which is why I feel like he 
just didn't shine as much as he could have.  I might be one of the 
only people that actually liked his acting MORE in PS/SS!  Oh 
Daniel...why oh why have they limited your "surprised reactions" to 
the terribly over-used phrase "Hold on..."???  You have such range!  
Harry himself is a very complex character, and maybe somewhat hard 
to translate into celluloid, but I felt like he came off very two-
dimensional.  As someone (i'm sorry, i've forgotten who) very 
observantly said, he is either very naive or extremely brilliant.  
Where's the angst over which house he should really be in??  Where's 
the desperation in the final Chamber scene??  (i wouldnt' have 
minded if they put in that line where he's scrambling aimlessly 
saying "help me...help me...Please help me!"  --(COS pg 235))  Not 
enough of a "human touch" in a character that is all-too-human...so 
much so, that I sometimes forget Harry (the canon version) is a 
fictional character!!   

Why no Street-Smart!Ron?  I think i pretty much mirror what everyone 
else is saying about Ron not having ANY of his lines from the book.  
The chemistry between the trio was just not there for this 
reason...all I got was UselessSidekick!Ron.  However, I don't blame 
Rupert Grint for this...I just don't think he was given enough 
material.  I just hope Cuaron can resurrect Ron by the third 
film...I love this character and his positive aspects are just as 
important as his faults.  (in the same vein...Hermione was just a 
bit too perfect...where is her bookish naivette?)

Yup, that Hagrid-love at the end was a bit much.  I left before that 
scene the second time around, and liked the movie a lot more...

eeshh...spent a little too much time on the bad points.  All in all, 
it was a good film though.  I'm sorry if i've repeated everyone 
else's comments...like I said, I just wanted to "put my hand in" so 
to speak.  erm...can't wait till PoA -- The Movie!  (hehe)

~draco382  





From draco382 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 00:33:50 2002
From: draco382 at yahoo.com (draco382)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:33:50 -0000
Subject: Request for CoS favorite quotes
In-Reply-To: <arbvcb+dhti@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arc0te+vvge@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "melclaros" <melclaros at y...> wrote:
> > "We'll be sending Potter to the hospital wing in a matchbox." - 
> > Snape, duelling scene.
> 


hehe...that was an excellent line by Snape.  Too bad there weren't 
more!  
In addition, I liked Lockharts little "Celebrity is as Celebrity 
does" to Harry when they are signing Lockhart's fanmail.  It was 
hilarious in the book, and I was so happy that they left that in the 
movie.  In fact, that entire scene was great...with Lockhart's 
cheezy broomstick flying pic, etc...

Sorry if someone already mentioned this one :-)

~draco382




From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 01:03:09 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:03:09 -0000
Subject: Lockhart in Fanmail & Dualing scenes (was:Request for CoS favorite quotes)
In-Reply-To: <arc0te+vvge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arc2kd+bhl5@eGroups.com>

Spoiler Space
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "draco382" <draco382 at y...> wrote:
> In addition, I liked Lockharts little "Celebrity is as Celebrity 
> does" to Harry when they are signing Lockhart's fanmail.  It was 
> hilarious in the book, and I was so happy that they left that in 
the 
> movie.

I did enjoy this part in the book; but in the movie, Lockhart says 
those lines out of the blue, nowhere in the movie is there the "Ah, 
Harry, I gave you the bug" type of relationship between Harry and 
Lockhart. (not that I thought it belonged in the film, but because 
that dynamic wasn't a part of the film, why were those lines kept?) 

On the other hand, I enjoyed the film version of his lines in the 
dueling scene better than the book. <loudly>"Can everyone see me? ..
[insert movie crowd laughing]..Can everyone hear me?" <normal voice, 
to himself> "Excellent."

-Andrea/kattrap, who is awfully chatty today..





From boredchocobo at attbi.com  Tue Nov 19 01:04:23 2002
From: boredchocobo at attbi.com (Chocobo)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:04:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My CoS review
References: <arbhl3+s5q8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c28f67$996d0f20$82647d18@Compuhon>

My reply is below the spoiler space...
  From: pippin_999 



  Go
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  Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Lucius is capable of murder? 

While it wasn't a good thing to have him attack Harry, it wasn't awful either. They didn't have as much time as in the book to establish him as someone you don't want to mess around with, so attacking (or maybe he was just going to scare Harry and not really do anything?) wasn't a bad thing. Besides, I consider myself a pretty big fan and I didn't notice the "Avada..." if he really did say that... so I'd say the majority of people didn't notice that happening.

  I agree with Gail--as soon as I heard that "There's no Hogwarts 
  without you, Hagrid," line, I turned to my seatmate and said, 
  "He's toast." Those cheering scenes are just made to be 
  revisited in flashback with a dewy coating of vaseline (or 
  computer-generated blurring, these days).

I don't understand this. It's not like the moviemakers have access to storylines in books that haven't been published yet, do they?

  I like the way Rupert Grint does Ron. Overplayed Ron is a 
  necessary contrast to underplayed Harry--and Harry *has* to be 
  underplayed. He's an enigma to those around him  in the books. 
  That's not going to be credible if the audience can read 
  everything he's thinking on his face. 

I also think that the movie Ron's portrayal wasn't so bad. Maybe it went a tiny bit overboard but it wasn't bad. In a movie, exaggerating his character a little bit isn't a bad thing.

  The effects were much more consistent than the first movie. Only 
  Fawkes was unconvincing at times...I think I wanted him to look 
  *less* like a real bird. The spider sequence went on too long, but 
  the basilisk battle was just right. 


I think Fawkes was one of the best done effects. I liked how he looked like a very real creature, seemed believable. I thought the extended spider scene was good, it took a somewhat lame part of the book and packed it full of action. You can't tell me you didn't like the spider grabbing Ron out of nowhere... though I did wonder why they stopped so soon.



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From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Tue Nov 19 01:21:54 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:21:54 -0000
Subject: Lockhart in Fanmail & Dualing scenes (was:Request for CoS favorite quotes)
In-Reply-To: <arc2kd+bhl5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arc3ni+7flq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Andrea" <kattrap_meow at y...> wrote:
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
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> On the other hand, I enjoyed the film version of his lines in the 
> dueling scene better than the book. <loudly>"Can everyone see 
me? ..
> [insert movie crowd laughing]..Can everyone hear me?" <normal 
voice, 
> to himself> "Excellent."
> 

I liked him in that scene too - and taking off the cape and tossing 
it to the girls seemed to me to be pure Tom Jones!  I think they 
managed to change that scene a little bit from the book.  In the 
book, Lockhart was obviously incompetent, but he seemed blithely 
unaware of it. In the movie, it looked to me like Snape took control 
of the situation very early on, and Lockhart looked a bit uneasy, 
but unable to do anything about it, and determined not to betray 
himself.  After all, in the book, it's Lockhart who suggests 
teaching the students to ward off unfriendly spells - in the movie, 
Snape does it, and effectively takes over the direction of the 
lesson.  Snape also shoots down Lockhart's choice of volunteers, 
substituting Malfoy for Ron; Lockhart looks a bit uneasy as he turns 
to walk to the end of the table and wishes Harry luck on the way.  I 
think he can tell that this is not going the way he'd prefer, but 
there's nothing he do.




From lilac_bearry at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 01:25:10 2002
From: lilac_bearry at yahoo.com (Lilac)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:25:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dumbledore's "Sepia" hair
Message-ID: <20021119012510.28177.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com>


Many of you have expressed that you liked the sepia-toned flashback.  But I found it bothered me because we couldn't see Dumbledore's auburn hair color.  We could tell it was a darker color than it's usual white, but it could have been brown for all the non-readers-of-canon know (we know the truth, however).  

I think that Dumbledore's auburn hair is an important clue to Godric Gryffindor and those who might be related to him (Dumbledore, Weasley's, Lily, etc.).  But then again, it may not be as important as I thought, because the eye color wasn't changed in the movie, and we pretty much agree here that if the color green was important, they would have found a way to do it.  So, maybe the red-hair connection is nothing, so that's why Dumbledore's original hair color was not pointed out.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

~Lilac, who is getting ready to die her hair a "bright auburn" in the next couple of days, because she loves that color of hair.    



 

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"Professor, can you show me that blocking thing again?"

Lockhart cuffed Harry merrily on the shoulder.  "Just do what I did, Harry!"

"What, drop my wand?"

 --Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

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From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 01:28:03 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:28:03 -0000
Subject: Animatronics vs. Computer generated characters
Message-ID: <arc433+8opc@eGroups.com>

Fawkes was done with Animatronics (except, I believe, him flying 
through the chamber)
The Basilisk was done with both computer generated effects and 
Animatronics (pretty easy to see where)
Dobby was entirely computer generated.

It would have been hard to create Dobby without being computer 
generated (except a large puppet) but I think Daniel had a harder 
time reacting in scenes with Dobby because of this (vs. Fawkes and 
Animatronic Basilisk). 

I guess it's just personal preference, but I would rather the actors 
interact with something that is actually there in the room...
Is there a large cost difference between CG and Animatronics? 
How about Blue screen with wires vs. CG Quidditch? 
Any thoughts from the masses?

-Andrea/Kattrap





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 01:37:27 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 01:37:27 -0000
Subject: 'Mudblood' scene
In-Reply-To: <arbull+t50m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arc4kn+d7o7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "c_voth312" <divaclv at a...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Claire <dis_aliter_visum at y...> wrote:
> > --- Wanda Sherratt <wsherratt3338 at r...> wrote:
> > WANDA:
> > This is an interesting take on the problems of
> > adapting this scene.  But my only quibble is that
> > since they removed the Gryffindor reaction, it is
> > unclear just how bad this word is in the wizarding
> > world.  

> CHRISTI:
> I think the intent was to have the Gryffindors shocked by the fact 
> that Malfoy had actually used the word in the first place (much the 
> same way most of us would be shocked to hear a person use certain 
> racial slurs).  If you listen, there's some uncomfortable murmuring 
> during Hermione's reaction shot.  On the whole, I think I prefered 
> the "outrage" reaction in the book--I liked having the Gryffindors 
> stand up for one of their own.
>  
> ~Christi


bboy_mn:
I'm incline to agree that the scene was played out all wrong. Our
perception of impact of saying this doesn't come from poor Hermione's
feelings being hurt, it comes from the outrage of everyone else at
Draco say such a vile and uncalled for thing.

In the book, Fred & George express outrage and leap forward trying to
get at Draco, but are stopped by member of the Slytherin team. Then at
Hargid's hut, Ron explains it with a sense of rightious indignation
and outrage. Hargid also expresses outrage that Draco would say such a
vile thing. It's the outrage of everyone that conveys the seriousness
of this insult, and that outrage has a greater emotional impact than
Hermione's weepy hurt feelings. 

As it was, the movie scene was so short, that there wasn't time to
develope sympathy for Hermione's hurt feelings. To develop the
appropriate response in the audience, the scene needs time to build in
emotional intensity, and time was one thing this movie didn't have for
anything.

Here's how I think the scene should have played out.

Draco/Tom Felton makes the insult, but instead of mumbling something
that sounded very close to 'mub-blub', he enunciate it very clearly
with emphasis 'muD-blooD'. Fred and George say something 'Malfoy, you
bastard (maybe they wouldn't say this word but something like it),
take that back!'. They leap forward and four Slytherins jump in front
of them and block their way. This scuffle quickly fades to the
background where it is reduced to a lot of out-of-focus pushing and
shoving. Alica Spinnet steps forward, 'Malfoy, I should slap your
face, that was a horrible thing to say.' Ron growls through gritted
teeth, trying to contain his anger, 'You'll pay for that Malfoy....
Eat slugs!' 

We have anger and outrage everywhere, fights are breaking out, people
are threatening Malfoy, Ron attacks him. I would say that's a pretty
intense scene and anger can be conveyed faster than heartache can.

Then in Hagrid's hut, Ron explains with a continued sense of outrage
that is amplified by Hagrid's outrage. This doesn't leave Hermione all
sad and weepy, it leaves her stunned and shocked by the magnitude and
seriousness of what Malfoy said.

The whole scene, the way I've outline it, is only a few seconds longer
than the original, it's closer to the book, it conveys strong emotions
on the part of more people.

In the movie trailers, I couldn't even understand what Draco was
saying (sounds like 'mubblub'), although on the big screen, the word
mudblood do come through clearer, they are still somewhat mumbled.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

bboy_mn






From editor at texas.net  Tue Nov 19 02:09:19 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:09:19 -0600
Subject: Fawkes, was Re: [HPFGU-Movie] My CoS review
References: <arbhl3+s5q8@eGroups.com> <001901c28f67$996d0f20$82647d18@Compuhon>
Message-ID: <005901c28f70$ac4e0aa0$8505a6d8@texas.net>

>
>
>
>   Go
>   **
>   See
>   **
>   The
>   **
>   Movie
>   **
>   **
>   **
>   **
>   **
>   **
>   **
>   End Spoiler Space
>
No idea who said this, had trouble following the attribution:

> I think Fawkes was one of the best done effects. I liked how he looked
like a very real creature, seemed believable.

Hrm. Another thing I forgot to mention. Why did they have to model Fawkes on
a harpy eagle? Which is what he looked like. I also thought the beak was far
too heavy and the face too un-feathered--far too reminscent of a vulture.
Ugh. I had thought that some of the original stills looked very like a harpy
eagle, and hoped the movie would improve him a bit. Alas.

~Amanda




From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 02:38:03 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:38:03 -0000
Subject: Just Saw it. It was bad(? or !)
In-Reply-To: <ar4evi+rhev@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arc86c+djap@eGroups.com>

(The original post from the day before was taken down for editing. 
But I got too occupied at work and didn't find time to do so until 
this morning.)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "vincentjh" <vincentjh at y...> wrote:
> 
> VJH responds with:
> > 
> > Just a quick note to clarify some points. It's not the length of 
the 
> > movie that bothered me (and some others). The problem is, longer 
> > isn't better. There're ways of compressing the plots into the 
same 
> > 160-minute movie without making it seem disconnected. Not being 
able 
> > to do it shows the short-comings of Columbus & Co. But instead of 
> > finding ways to compress the storyline and make it accessible to 
> > those who havn't read the books, they simply use the length as an 
> > excuse. I'd watch a 4-hour movie if things are done well. But 
with 
> > this script and Columbus' direction, I'd say 140-150 minutes are 
well 
> > enough to fit everything (and more) in.
> > 

Steve wrote:
> A fixed block of movie time is like a glass full of water, you can't
> put more in unless some of what is already there falls out. 

Please note that I didn't say that a movie should be a certain 
length. No. That's not the point. The point is how you tell a story 
effectively. You're right. If you want to put more in a movie, you 
have to cut something else. And that's exactly the problem of CoS. 
Instead of trying to get important back stories in, Columbus wasted 
the time on some "eye candies." If he'd be less obsessed with making 
kids laugh or showing off nice special effects, there'd be enough 
time for Riddle's background.

> You want more time and plot developement at the Weasleys = TIME.
No. I Do not want this. What's in the movie is enough.

> You want more time at the Dursley's to set everything up = TIME.
NO. I do not want this, either.

> You want a full fight scene between Arthur and Lucius = TIME.
NO. It's not needed. Arthur's background isn't all that important in 
this movie.

> You want the Death Day party = Time.
NO. Unless it's of relevance to future development, I'd cut that part 
from the BOOK, too. 

> You want Ron to have more intelligent screen time = TIME.
NOT neccesarily. Just give his lines back to him.

> You want the emotional intensity of the Chamber scene with Tom 
Riddle
> expanded = TIME.
NOT SO. Make the chase shorter and there's time for Riddle. Besides, 
intensity doesn't always come from time. It comes from the way lines 
are delivered, from the way characters interact, from what comes 
before the climax. (More on this later.)

> You want the continuity between scene increased = TIME.
NOT SO. Continuity doesn't take more time. It takes more attention to 
details.

> You want secondary characters better developed, like Colin Crevey = 
TIME.
NO. I don't care about Colin.

> Now the question is, of what is already there, what are you willing 
to
	throw out, in order to insert all this other plot 
developement?
	
I do not want all those things that you supposed I'd want. All I want 
is a clearer storyline with better buildup. That doesn't equal longer 
hours or page-to-page translation of the book onto the big screen. A 
by-the-numbers adaptation may be faithful to the words of the book. 
But it doesn't necessarily mean being true to the spirit of the book.

As I mentioned in previous post(s), there're ways of compressing the 
book into a movie without sacrificing important plots and characters. 
Using more or less the same script, here's a possibility of how to 
make this story more sensible.


Flourish and Blots. Positioning. When Ginny tells Draco to leave 
Harry alone, the Wesley brothers and Hermione should not be there. It 
doesn't make sense that, if the older ones are there, they'd leave it 
to little Ginny to defend Harry. This is also a scene where the 
brothers' protective side could be shown (by trying to keep Ginny 
away from Lucius, for example). It would illustrate the closeness of 
Wesley siblings and give more weight to Ron's reaction to Ginny's 
capture later.

Whomping willow is cool. But it can be slightly shorter. After all, 
the real importance of it won't come until PoA. (30 extra seconds.)

Mandrakes. Related to later development. Funny. But it gets old. Cut 
it after Neville faints and Sprout says "just leave him there" or 
something like that. You still have the laughs. And more time for 
other scenes. 

The Howler. Cut "Is that your owl, Ron?" and "Look, everyone. 
Wesley's got a howler." No need to know the letter is a "howler" to 
find it funny. And Errol isn't Ron's owl. (Same thing goes with the 
Rogue Bludger. Simply having someone ask what goes wrong with the 
bludger is enough. Doesn't matter if it's called a Rogue or Rough or 
Mad Bludger. The scene in the hospital wing later is sufficient to 
make the audience understand that the Bludger was enchanted.)

Shift the order of the Mandrake and the Howler scenes. (Better 
transition. Gives clearer sense of time passage at school.)

Use the time "saved" from those three scenes, add a scene before the 
one when they all sit together reading and everyone's peeking at 
Harry: The trio walks down the corridor and everyone flees at the 
sight of them. (Better illustrates the fear at school and Harry's 
position. Better transition. Still some "extra" time from the 
Mandrake scene left for later scenes.) (BTW, Ginny should not have 
been there studying with them. She should be out somewhere setting 
the beast free.)

Rearrange the music before and during X'mas scene. Same snow-falling 
shot with a less cheerful music. Same feast. Much fewer students. 
Have one of them mention that almost everyone's gone for the vacation 
if he/she can because no one dares to stay. (More pressure. More 
incentive for Harry and Co. to figure out what's going on. 
Establishes the dark mood without scaring little kids in the 
audience. They won't understand it anyway.)

After Harry and Ron find the diary, cut to the trophy room, have Ron 
explain who Riddle was. One of them notes that Tom might know 
something about the chamber, another observes that the diary is 
blank. Cut to Harry sitting alone examining the diary. Harry tries to 
write something on it. Ink drops. Disappears. Harry thinks for a 
while, tries another time?K..At the end of memory scene, instead of 
having Harry yelling "Hagrid" with hand reaching out, simply let him 
yell "no!" and cut to Harry sitting in front of the diary again as if 
he has just been "bumped" out of the diary, shocked. Do not 
say "wow." That's not the right reaction. (Less cheesy. More 
background on Riddle. More contribution from Ron. Better explains why 
Harry asks the diary about the chamber.)

Forbidden forest. Get them out of there faster. Spiders are scary. 
Ron's scared of them. No reason he stops the car before they're out 
of the forest. Make the spiders chase them all the way out. 

Chamber scene. The length isn't the major problem. Positioning is. 
Find an action director. Cut that stupid, cheesy, un-Harry-like 
dialogue between him and Ginny. Harry injured. Mind not clear. Stabs 
the diary (reactionary). Fawkes comes in, heals Harry. Ginny wakes 
up, confused and scared. Harry gets her out. (Shorter, more intense, 
less cheesy, makes more sense.)

The final feast. Completely out of place and out of character. Cut 
it. Have Harry walks out of D's office. Walks into sunshine. Cut to 
the feast. Harry runs in. Hagrid's there. Herm's there. No hugs. 
Everyone happy. And you save 5 minutes or so for the earlier scene in 
the trophy room.

It's still a 161-minute movie. But I bet non-readers would have a 
much clearer idea about what's going on. And readers would be happy 
that we're spared of the crappy Hollywood ending and a made-for-
Hollywood Hero.

(edited)

> Rowling's books are written in a tremendously compact and efficient
> style. Big sweeping blocks of plot take place in very few pages. You
> just can't adapt writing that detailed and complex unless you are
> willing to sacrifice something. Are you willing to throw the entire
> story away and let the writer/director create a whole new story 
based
> on this, or do you want to see THE Hary Potter story. You can't have
> both. 

> I don't want some Harry Potter Hollywood fanfiction version of Harry
> Potter. I want THE Harry Potter story, the WHOLE Harry Potter story,
> and I want it developed in more detail. That can only be done with
> more time. I will agree with you in that this extra time has to be
> well spent. But I will not agree with you in that this story could 
be
> told in the limited time frame without some major sacrifies 
somewhere. 

I do not want standard Hollywood fanfiction more than anyone else 
does. I've never ever wanted a movie with "fixed" length. I only want 
a good movie that stands on its own and that's true to the books. You 
don't have to "throw away the entire story" to do that. What it takes 
is a director and a writer who know how to balance the story and tie 
things together. The way Harry and Ron were scripted makes them into 
the classic Hollywood duo and that cheesy ending is, well, Hollywood 
fantiction. It's avoidable and it should have been avoided. 

VJH





From gentlehunger at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 19 02:52:34 2002
From: gentlehunger at hotmail.com (M. Rich)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:52:34 -0800
Subject: I Wonder ... & A Peter O'Toole add-on
Message-ID: <F125mIrqJL43FU75h930001c57d@hotmail.com>


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Stan said: <<<- I didnt like the flow of the story. It was toochoppy, and 
seemed almost like a
collection of"scenes" trying to tie together into a storyline. Iwould
have liked a tighter, more flowing progressionof events (which the first 
movie
did better). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Stan, couldn't agree with you more. That was exactly what's been bugging me. 
I also thought PS/SS did better with lighting as well. (i'm a photography 
nerd) I also thought that there was too much exposition and explaining to 
the audience rather than showing - a big no no on Columbus' part, IMO.

But Dobby and Fawkes were great, as was the cast. It was still Harry Potter 
to me. Can't wait for AZKABAN (and, hopefully, Peeves.)

Misty

A BIG P.S.      WHOM EVER MENTIONED PETER O'TOOLE FOR DUMBLEDORE HAS MY 
WHOLEHEARTED AGREEMENT!  (He and Harris used to be inseperatable drinking 
buddies, too :)~ heh heh.)



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From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Tue Nov 19 02:59:55 2002
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:59:55 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Small bits to ponder
References: <arbrt8+5ckk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DD9A92B.6B92D11A@pacificpuma.com>


borrowed spoiler space)
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The basilisk used hearing to find Harry?  I know a bit about snakes.
Used to breed them in fact. Snakes are deaf. They feel vibration and
have an excelent sence of smell through the Jacobsons organ in the roof
of their mouths and with their tougues flicking out to taste the air and
analize the scent with the Jacobsons organ.

Lucius Malfoy stupid enough to even start to attempt to use an
unforgivable spell on Harry right in front of the door to Dumbledores
offices?  Would have to be pretty mad to do something that stupid.  He
should thank Dobby for stopping him and saving him from a one way trip
to Azkaban.

Neville fainting.  Well, even if its his best subject, he may have
over-reacted to the mandrakes anyways.  Or it was just comedy relief..
or Neville had not thought before how deadly the mandrakes were and was
overwelmed.. Or maybe his hearing is better then everyone elses was and
the mandrakes sound made him faint?  

Tom Riddle's true colors. Note that the lighting they used on Tom
Riddle. Gave his face a blueish cast later in the film and messed up the
colors of what he was wearing.  Filters and 'mood' lighting.  Sometimes
they fog the scene as well to reduce the depth of the scene or to give
it a dark and creepy feel.. I once worked as a movie extra years ago and
they have all sorts of lighting and filter tricks they use to 'set a
scene'  These filters tend to play havoc with colors though and can make
blues and greens hard to define properly.  I did see a Slytherin badge
at one point in the Chamber scenes, but only for a second.  I did see
the pin though.

Jazmyn




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Nov 19 03:23:24 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:23:24 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel, the little cutie/ Spoiler; Re: COS: New Incantations/ Lucius and Draco
References: <v01540b01b9feafdbf731@[195.184.231.232]>
Message-ID: <024801c28f7b$05abf4e0$229ecdd1@istu757>

lilahp writes:

> Dan Radcliffe is quoted in the new issue of Reader's
> Digest on his thoughts about Christmas:
<snip adorable thoughts on Christmas>
> After reading that, keep telling me I cannot dash over
> to his house and bring that little precious woobie
> home with me! Keep telling me I don't need another
> kid!
> (my inner Molly Weasley is showing!)
> Aaaaw...

Ditto.  That was cute, too cute.  Very descriptive, too.  Wonder if he wrote
it himself?

And also replying below the spoiler space to other things:


> Spoiler
>
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>
Nicholas writes:

> arania exime.
>
> Is 'arania' Latin for spider? Sounds like it might be.

(glancing around nervously to see if GulPlum is looking before pulling out
Latin dictionary)

aranea=spider; cobweb
araneus=spider
eximo=take out, remove, free, release

Becca writes:

> I thought a lot about what Wanda said before responding, and I think
> what struck me about this scene was how thematically appropriate it
> was. Seeing Lucius at the match and then absent from the hospital, I
> was reminded, not of Mrs. Weasley, but of Vernon Dursley. Now, Vernon

I think if nothing else, this lack of concern from Lucius confirmed my
previous belief that Draco will die, not at his father's hands, but in a
situtation where Lucius could but won't prevent his death.

Richelle




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Tue Nov 19 03:49:48 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:49:48 -0000
Subject: Daniel, the little cutie/ Spoiler; Re: COS: New Incantations/ Lucius and Draco
In-Reply-To: <024801c28f7b$05abf4e0$229ecdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <arcccs+c9fe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> 
> I think if nothing else, this lack of concern from Lucius 
confirmed my
> previous belief that Draco will die, not at his father's hands, 
but in a
> situtation where Lucius could but won't prevent his death.
> 

I very much suspect something like that might be coming too, though 
I don't know if Draco will die or just be in danger of dying, 
through his father's actions.  In Book 4, we've already seen 2 
characters actually murder their fathers, and I think this goes with 
the general "unnaturalness" that follows Voldemort wherever he is 
powerful.  I wouldn't be surprised to find that one of his followers 
would be willing to sacrifice his own child - would anyone take a 
bet that if Voldemort had wanted Draco killed as part of 
his "resurrection", Lucius would have refused?  I don't think so.

Wanda





From eb3g at ivillage.com  Tue Nov 19 03:50:51 2002
From: eb3g at ivillage.com (jillily3g)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:50:51 -0000
Subject: 'Mudblood' scene
In-Reply-To: <arc4kn+d7o7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arccer+c37q@eGroups.com>

  If you listen, there's some uncomfortable 
murmuring 
> > during Hermione's reaction shot.  On the whole, I think I
prefered 
> > the "outrage" reaction in the book--I liked having the
Gryffindors 
> > stand up for one of their own.
> >  
> > ~Christi
> 
> 
> bboy_mn:
> I'm incline to agree that the scene was played out all wrong. Our
> perception of impact of saying this doesn't come from poor 
Hermione's
> feelings being hurt, it comes from the outrage of everyone else at
> Draco say such a vile and uncalled for thing.

Yes! All the reactions were a little too slow. It took away from the 
impact of the scene and instead we're left with Hermione's eyes 
filling with tears. If it had been shot closer to the scene in the 
book, we would have gotten the hint of the possible romance without 
the awkward handshake scene. 

Beth




From andyfoltz at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 19 04:26:00 2002
From: andyfoltz at hotmail.com (andy_foltz)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:26:00 -0000
Subject: Another Ron Thought
In-Reply-To: <arbvvg+4deq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arcego+umnm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "melclaros" <melclaros at y...> wrote:
> > Ginny.  My impression from both book and film was that the 
faculty 
> a) 
> > kind of figured out that Lockhart was full of it (I'm sure Snape 
> did, 
> > at the very least), and b) had given Ginny up for dead or worse 
> > already.  Sending him off on the "rescue mission" was pretty 
much 
> an 
> > excuse to get him out of their hair, and little more than that.

Well, I knew the faculty felt that Lockhart was full of it - but 
thanks for reminding me that they were maneuvering to get him out of 
the way while they got on with the real work! That clears things up.




From christin.gahnstrom at telia.com  Mon Nov 18 15:36:37 2002
From: christin.gahnstrom at telia.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Christin_Gahnstr=F6m?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:36:37 +0100
Subject: SV: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in CoS/General Impressions
References: <20021118141509.94572.qmail@web20910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000201c28f91$8f2212c0$93c543c3@bs>


  ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- 
  Fr?n: Nicole L. 
  Till: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Skickat: den 18 november 2002 15:15
  ?mne: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hagrid in CoS/General Impressions

  I want an HP T-shirt/sweatshirt in the
  worst way and I have not been able to find any because
  WB only manufactures them in kids' sizes.  I am
  seriously contemplating buying the iron on transfers
  for ink jet printers and making my own.  Might I add
  that my husband thought I was insane when I mentioned
  this to him.  :)

  I've been lurking this list for a while, but let me just tell you me and two of the friends I'm seeing cos with this weekend are wearing home made HP t-shirts.

  It's a portrait of Snape. Over the picture it says Detention? and under it Anytime!.
  Oh, and did I mention one of the friends is male, and straight.

  Christin



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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 19 06:17:33 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:17:33 -0700
Subject: Lockhart's "mission"
In-Reply-To: <arb4ns+21ge@eGroups.com>
References: <arb4ns+21ge@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a00b9ff86c641b2@[10.0.1.11]>

>christi wrote in response to andy's comment supporting my comment (!):
>
>I agree, except on Lockhart being given responsibility for returning
>Ginny.  My impression from both book and film was that the faculty a)
>kind of figured out that Lockhart was full of it (I'm sure Snape did,
>at the very least), and b) had given Ginny up for dead or worse
>already.  Sending him off on the "rescue mission" was pretty much an
>excuse to get him out of their hair, and little more than that.
>

I highly doubt that the faculty would give Ginny up "for dead or 
worse" - think about who you're talking about. I could possibly see 
Snape not caring (although, in my opinion, I think that Snape *does* 
have a heart), but there is no way that McGonnagal or Dumbledore 
(especially Dumbledore) would ever give up on a student who was in 
danger, even if there was a 99% chance that the student was dead. I 
do agree that Lockhart's mission was most likely a ploy to get rid of 
him, but Ron and Harry probably did not know that, and might have 
thought that the rest of the faculty was, in fact, replying on 
Lockhart to rescue Ginny. I think that's why Ron was so upset.

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From deidre at panix.com  Tue Nov 19 08:38:47 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 03:38:47 -0500
Subject: a review after only one viewing
In-Reply-To: <1037679962.1062.46228.m11@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021119025938.0431ec20@pop.panix.com>

I'm posting a review, might be longish, of my thoughts after seeing the 
movie once and re-reading the book over the weekend.

I nipped out for a matinee showing on Friday. Going to see it again on 
Tuesday with my movie group. I liked the film whilst watching it, but 
afterwards, began to wonder about some things. Hence a re-reading of the 
novel, and going back, and re-reading all the spoilers that I had skipped 
before the weekend.

*Don't read any further unless you want Spoilers!*

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There, there is some spoiler space. :)

I've read a lot of reviews by now and really think that a lot of the fans 
have it right, that this movie is a quick change or *charge* (as in the 
Charge of the Light Brigade) from set-piece to set-piece, thus allowing for 
little character development. Rupert Grint's Ron Weasly is stuck with two 
facial expressions: horror/fear/terror OR grinning in amusement. There's a 
lot more to Ron than this in the book! And Emma Watson's Hermione Granger 
gets many of Ron's lines from the book. WTF?

*Things I like*:

Daniel Radcliffe seems to be doing a bit better in the acting department as 
Harry Potter. I like how he stands up to the Malfoys, father and son.

Dobby the House-Elf. I knew from the trailers that he looked pretty good, 
though not quite as I pictured him, but very good nonetheless. No annoying 
Jar-Jar Binks here, but a being who means well. Like Hoggle in Jim Henson's 
"Labyrinth" or Yoda in the Star Wars movies, I could accept him as a real 
person or character.

Kenneth Brannagh as Lockhart. Just a terrific casting and acting job all 
the way again. I did miss the pastel capes, but his clothes were quite 
divine anyhow. I had wished for Roger Daltery (my dream casting) in this 
part, but now having seen the movie, I'm awfully glad that KB was cast over 
Hugh Grant (too pretty, shy, and mumbling in many of his roles), and Alan 
Cummings (too over-the-top in many roles, and not pretty enough for 
Gilderoy Lockhart). KB is handsome, not pretty, and can do over-the-top 
acting rather well.

Seeing the Burrow, although we didn't see enough of it. Meeting Arthur 
Weasley at last (though Mark Williams is not thin), but he and Julie Waters 
as Molly Weasley portray a great married couple blessed with so many 
children, albeit they are so poor.

Loved the Ford Anglia! Very believable as a flying car, although the 
falling out of the car scene over the Hogwarts Express wasn't in the book 
and contributed nothing to the movie. Knowing that J. K. Rowling's friend 
Sean, to whom the second book was dedicated, had a turquoise Ford Anglia 
that he and Jo used to ride about in when they were teenagers made these 
scenes with the car even more poignant and sweeter. I suspect the two of 
them often wished they could fly away. <g>

Alan Rickman's Snape: always, nicely done acting by AR. but just not enough 
of him. Because of the deletion of the whole Valentine's day subplot, we 
don't get to hear his famous line about him still being the potions master 
at Hogwarts, said to Lockhart. *sobs* And it's Filch who discovers Harry 
and Ron sneaking into Hogwarts, not Snape. AR did his best with what he was 
given to work with. Btw, I've been a fan of his for many years, at least 
since that Robin Hood movie, and it was hearing that AR had been cast as 
Snape that finally convinced me last year that I must go see PS/SS.

Tom Riddle: a good choice of actor for this role. Great wavy hair, 
old-fashioned clothes, classic sculpted good looks, etc. As someone else 
said, no wonder Ginny fell for him. <eg> All the scenes with him were 
believable and spooky, esp. the black and white (nice touch there) flashback.

The Malfoys: Lucius (Jason Isaacs--going to have to see "The Patriot" now) 
is perfect, very menacing. Wasn't sure what to make of the long hair, as I 
had always seen Malfoy Sr. in the books with short businessmen hair, but it 
suited perfectly, esp. when he had it tied back in a queue in Hagrid's Hut. 
Draco: Tom Felton continues to do a good job in the role, but his accent is 
all over the place. He needs to stick with that upper-crust drawly 'I'm 
much better than anyone else here' accent to go with his 'tude. Where was 
the accent/dialect coach?

Moaning Myrtle is perfect, just perfect. It's obvious from the beginning 
she has a crush on Harry.

The actual Chamber of Secrets scene. Harry is a true Gryffindor, brave, and 
loyal to Dumbledore. Me, I would have found it hard to go on, but Harry 
always does what he has to do, putting fear aside.

The dueling scene: Snape and Lockhart are just too funny. Harry speaking 
Parseltongue was scary and believable. But the kids didn't move away like 
they did in the book, and that directing surprised me. I like snakes just 
fine, but having one appear out of thin air would have me running backwards.

The Quidditch match: even better special effects than the first one, but no 
real sense of the game. Chris Columbus and Steve Kloves were obviously 
assuming that everyone seeing this movie will have seen the first one or 
have read the books, which isn't a good assumption to make. As someone said 
in a review or here on the list (sorry, seemed to have lost the exact 
reference) Harry and Draco chasing the Snitch under the grandstand whilst 
being chased by the rogue Bludger reminded me of the chase scene through 
the unfinished Death Star in "Return of the Jedi". It also went on much too 
long; Harry catches the Snitch rather quickly in the book. Harry and Draco 
both falling flat on their butts/faces at the end was priceless, however. 
The boneless arm scene looked incredibly real. GL is such a ninny.

All the animals, from Hedwig the Owl to Fawkes the Phoenix. Bloody 
brilliant, although I could do without all the drool on the Basilisk's 
teeth. The spiders were very very fearful, and I hope that when we see 
Shelob in "The Two Towers" she will look more like these than the things in 
"8 Legged Freaks". Nice to see Fang again. Scabbers being changed halfway 
into a furry goblet with a tail was precious. It's strange, but I don't 
remember the pets being brought to class in the books, but I am re-reading 
CoS, and haven't found a ref one way or the other. In later books, we find 
out about the Owlery, but the other familiars seem to stay in the dorm 
rooms. Rupert really liked the slugs, and they did look real enough to 
gross me out. *shudders*

The sets: wonderful and all that I could hope for, esp. in the classrooms 
and offices. I just wanted to see more of them. Was it just me, or did the 
lighting throughout the movie seem to be lacking, ie, too dark? The opening 
credits through the cloudscape were quite beautiful.

Things I didn't like:

The pacing. The first movie we got a sense of pacing from the various 
holidays and weather changes. In this movie, only the one quick Christmas 
scene in the Great Hall, and a snow scene with one horse and sleigh 
obviously computer copied over and over, although both scenes were pretty. 
I missed the Deathday Party, but it's not needed for the plot, nor is the 
Valentine's Day mess suggested by GL (but see below), but vague references 
to these in the movie would have helped the viewer get a sense of forward 
motion over a school year, from September to May. The movie went by so fast 
that one could easily get the feeling that all these events happened in 
just a few days! I didn't get that feeling in the first movie. Lucas and 
Spielberg do transitions nicely in the Star Wars and Indy Jones movies; CC 
could have learned a trick or two from the Masters. I still think his 
direction of "The Goonies" is one of the worse jobs that I have ever been 
subjected to. CC did okay with SS/PS, but not with CoS. I'm looking forward 
to seeing what this new director will do with PoA.

The Whomping Willow: the whole scene was very scary, but that tree did not 
look like a willow! And I'm always been disturbed about the idea of a 
willow tree in Scotland. That's just too far north for them to grow 
naturally, I would bet. Oh, right, it's magic! <g>

The Plot: there's lots of ickle little changes, but I don't object so much 
to those, as I do to the major plot changes, additions and subtractions. 
The nitpickers, here and elsewhere, are having a field day with CoS, but 
those things, yes, they do bug me, but the major plot problems are so much 
more important.

Why is Ron basically the comic relief? Why does Hermione get most of Ron's 
good lines, esp. the whole bit about Mudbloods? This scene should have 
followed the book more closely.
Leaving Ginny out of so much of the movie leaves a big hole in it. She's 
the one Tom Riddle goes after, and her character should have been more 
important. She's way too calm through the whole movie, the few times we see 
her when she's supposed to have a crush on Harry, she's scared and upset 
about all the strange happenings, and there's very little sense of her 
being part of a close family. Leaving out that crucial scene of her about 
to Reveal All is a major sticking point with me.

A thought about the Valentine's Day subplot lacking: without the dwarf 
tugging on a Harry frantic to get away, there's no tearing of Harry's 
school bag, and hence no scene where Harry finds out by accident that the 
diary he is carting around is "weird" since in the book it's the only item 
of Harry's that doesn't absorb the spilt red ink. Hence, in the movie, no 
further references to the diary until we see Harry write in it. This is yet 
another plot hole big enough to fly a dragon through.

The timing in the actual CoS: Harry should have been dead in a minute, and 
yet it's three minutes before Fawkes heals him. I always pay attention to 
this sort of thing. (The atomic bomb  countdown in Fort Knox in the movie 
of "Goldfinger" is a Classic Bad Example of Hollywood thinking that normal 
people can't tell time.) Must mention how poorly Ginny was acting in this 
scene when she woke up, not really scared at all. Dazed and confused, I 
guess, but still.

The end scene in the Great Hall: Hagrid didn't look like he had spent a few 
months in the horror that is Azkaban. Also, I don't think that he is not 
loved by many students, and all that cheering at the end was just so 
*shakes head* bad. The cheering should have been for Gryffindor winning the 
House Cup again. At least the cancellation of exams was mentioned, with 
Hermione's reaction shot, just priceless.

As another reviewer here said: 'Well, we didn't get to keep Gred and 
Forge's "Make way for the Heir of Slytherin!  Seriously evil wizard coming 
through!" ' Pity about that, as it would have given them a little character 
development as the jokesters and pranksters they are.

Another quote (blast it, all my attributions are gone! :( )from this list: 
"The nuances, humor and details that JKR puts in her writing that make the 
stories so wonderful are missing from the movies. However, that can be said 
about most movies made from books." I totally agree. And this one: "Also, 
some of the script.  Why does Kloves like to change lines for no 
reason?  Leave things be and bugger off.  Grr." What really got me was the 
change on the line about abilities that the Headmaster says to HP in his 
office after the whole CoS bit. Grr, indeed. And HP handling the bloody 
sword--it's pretty obvious that it's a thrusting sword, but that wasn't 
common a thousand years ago. Swords in the early Middle Ages were usually 
slashing swords with sharp edges, but not sharp points -- the thrusting 
swords with sharp points didn't come into vogue until late in the Middle 
Ages or the Renaissance, when the art of the duel came into fashion and 
what we now know as fencing was taught as swordplay in various schools. The 
sword did indeed look a wee bit too fancy for a sword from say 1066 AD, but 
at least it did resemble somewhat a sword from that era. (Note: I was a 
history major for a while in college, was a long-time member of the SCA, 
and have always been fascinated by all things medieval.)

Another problem with the last scene in Dumbledore's office: Arthur and 
Molly Weasley aren't there, frantic with worry over Ginny. No great line 
about not trusting something that thinks if you can't see where it keeps 
its brain, alas. But that's the least of the problems with the lack of 
Ginny's parents here. This scene in the book also served to show that Albus 
and the Weasleys supported each other, and that for all of Lucius Malfoy's 
pontificating aside, the Weasleys are a highly-respected and very important 
family in the wizard world.

Once again, this movie is but a Cliff Notes of the book, but even the PS/SS 
movie was a better job of retelling its story than this . At the same time, 
I can't wait for the DVD, as there will be at least 18 minutes of extra 
film footage, including the Borgin & Burkes scene that didn't make it into 
the movie. I can't help but wonder what other goodies we will see in May.

Deidre

Albus Dumbledore in the book of *Harry Potter and the Chamber of 
Secrets*:"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more 
than our abilities."





From ginger_peachy130 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 19 09:53:03 2002
From: ginger_peachy130 at hotmail.com (ginger_peachy130)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:53:03 -0000
Subject: Question (CoS)/Madam Pince
In-Reply-To: <20021118193530.86470.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ard1lv+dl2h@eGroups.com>

I remember reading an interview with the actress who played Madame 
Pince. She sounded really happy to be appearing in her first movie- 
I'm sorry to hear that her part has been cut :(

Alexis



--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Claire <dis_aliter_visum at y...> wrote:
> --- Meredith Hale <mhale at m...> wrote:
> > I think it's Madame Pince.  She appears in the
> > library scene where the Hufflepuffs are glaring at
> > Harry.  I thought at first it was Prof. Sinistra,
> > but second viewing I noticed her in the library.
> >  
> > Meredith
> > 
> 
> I agree.  Also, at imdb - not always the most reliable
> source, I know - they have the role credited to Sally
> Mortemore.  Unfortunately her picture is not available
> at the site.
> 
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From wynnde1 at aol.com  Tue Nov 19 09:57:02 2002
From: wynnde1 at aol.com (wynnde1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:57:02 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lockhart's "mission"
Message-ID: <142.2fde7d4.2b0b64ee@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/19/2002 6:09:10 AM GMT Standard Time, 
illyana at mindspring.com writes:


> I highly doubt that the faculty would give Ginny up "for dead or 
> worse" - think about who you're talking about. I could possibly see 
> Snape not caring (although, in my opinion, I think that Snape *does* 
> have a heart), but there is no way that McGonnagal or Dumbledore 
> (especially Dumbledore) would ever give up on a student who was in 
> danger, even if there was a 99% chance that the student was dead. I 
> do agree that Lockhart's mission was most likely a ploy to get rid of 
> him, but Ron and Harry probably did not know that, and might have 
> thought that the rest of the faculty was, in fact, replying on 
> Lockhart to rescue Ginny. I think that's why Ron was so upset.
> 

Now me:

Snape definitely DOES care (CoS, The Chamber of Secrets):

When MacGonagall tells the staff that a student has been taken by the 
monster, 

"Snape gripped the back of a chair very hard and said, 'How can you be sure?' 
"

That sure sounds to me as though he is very upset at the idea of a student 
coming to harm. And all the other staff members mentioned have equally 
intense reactions of distress.

And yes, Lockhart's mission was definitely a ploy to get rid of him, and 
Harry and Ron know this, as they were still in the closet to overhear 
MacGonagall say, 

"That's got HIM out from under our feet.The Heads of Houses should go inform 
their students what has happened. Tell them the Hogwarts Express will take 
them home first thing tomorrow. Will the rest of you please make sure no 
students have been left outside their dormitories." 

So the thing that is sort of strange here is that Ron and Harry do know it's 
a ploy, yet at this point, they still have enough faith in Lockhart to 
believe that he is really going to try and enter the chamber:

"Do you know what," says Ron. "I think we should go and see Lockhart. Tell 
him what we know. He's going to try and get into the Chamber. We can tell him 
where we think it is, and tell him it's a Basilisk in there."

And we (as well as Ron and Harry) don't see any plan on the part of 
MacGonagall to actually try and save Ginny, although we also don't know that 
she isn't planning to do something, either. So that may have been part of the 
reason they decided to go - believing that no one but Lockhart was going to 
try.

:-)
Wendy


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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 19 16:12:45 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:12:45 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lockhart's "mission"
In-Reply-To: <142.2fde7d4.2b0b64ee@aol.com>
References: <142.2fde7d4.2b0b64ee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a00ba0011d6f330@[10.0.1.11]>

>wendy wrote:
>
>Snape definitely DOES care (CoS, The Chamber of Secrets):
>
><<snipped book quotes>>
>
>And yes, Lockhart's mission was definitely a ploy to get rid of him, and
>Harry and Ron know this, as they were still in the closet to overhear
>MacGonagall say,
>
><<snipped book quotes>>
>So the thing that is sort of strange here is that Ron and Harry do know it's
>a ploy, yet at this point, they still have enough faith in Lockhart to
>believe that he is really going to try and enter the chamber:
>
><<snipped book quotes>>


i am all for book references (and have used them many times in the 
past), but i was strictly talking about the movie when i wrote that 
post. in the movie, there is no scene in the faculty lounge, and the 
teachers' conversation is much shorter than in the book. plus, i 
cannot remember anyone saying anything about lockhart being "out from 
under our feet" in the movie. all i remember was that snape, 
mcgonnagal and dumbledore are talking, lockhart runs up, they explain 
to him what has happened, tell him it's his turn to act, and then the 
scene is over. harry and ron do not know that the teachers are just 
getting rid of lockhart.

of course, harry and ron are smarter than your average 13 year-olds 
(it's 13 in COS, right?), so they probably did know that the teachers 
wouldn't trust a stupid git like lockhart for the job. i am just 
basing what i am saying on what the movie shows us. there was nothing 
in the movie to show that harry/ron know that ginny hasn't been given 
up on by the other teachers, so i am just going to assume that they 
think the job was given soley to lockhart. that explains why, in the 
movie, they were so angry at him for trying to run away. of course, 
in the book, they have more reasons to dislike him, but the movie 
cannot include every singe lockhart appearance, so we do not fully 
understand their hatred of him.

illyana

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From divaclv at aol.com  Tue Nov 19 16:31:15 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:31:15 -0000
Subject: Lockhart's "mission"
In-Reply-To: <a05200a00ba0011d6f330@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <ardp0j+ihd0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., illyana delorean <illyana at m...> wrote:
> i am all for book references (and have used them many times in the 
> past), but i was strictly talking about the movie when i wrote that 
> post. in the movie, there is no scene in the faculty lounge, and 
the 
> teachers' conversation is much shorter than in the book. plus, i 
> cannot remember anyone saying anything about lockhart being "out 
from 
> under our feet" in the movie. 

Not in so many words, but it's definitely implied in Alan Rickman's 
and Maggie Smith's behavior during the scene.  There's a definite 
subtext of "We know you've been blowing smoke this entire time, and 
now you have to either admit it or get out of our way" in their 
performance here.  Besides, if the teachers *hadn't* given up on 
Ginny, wouldn't they have given the job to anyone but Lockhart?
Please note that I'm not saying the faculty didn't care or wasn't 
distraught over what happened, I'm just saying they accepted that 
they were powerless in this instance.  Which they are--nobody knows 
where the Chamber is, how to get into it even if they did know where 
it is, or what they would be facing on the other side.  There was, 
quite simply, nothing that they could do, and they knew it.

~Christi




From mad_about_harrypotter at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 19 16:38:11 2002
From: mad_about_harrypotter at hotmail.com (mad_about_harrypotter)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:38:11 -0000
Subject: Comments about CoS
Message-ID: <ardpdj+s7iu@eGroups.com>

Hi guys, I'm new to this board, but thought I'd put my tuupence-worth 
in about the new movie, so if you haven't seen it yet, delete the 
message now!
S
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S
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Phew! Well, overall, I really enjoyed it. I thought it pretty much 
captured the essence of the books and translated well on screen. 
However, I agree with numerous people that some of the things they 
left out really did need to be in. Ginny seemed a peripheral 
character, I forgot she existed at times, and yet she was the person 
on whom the story hinges! Branagh was perfect as Lockhart, I never 
doubted it for a second, but I know some people wanted to see Hugh 
Grant in the role. Hugh Grant can only act one type of character, 
Branagh bought so much more to the role. 

I actually think this film was "dumbed down" to appease the 
completely misplaced idea the film makers have of the age of their 
target Harry potter audience, which they see as being all the 5-10 
year olds. Like hello!! 
Most Potter fans are aged at least 10 upwards, most are in their mid-
teens or adulthood. I felt we were short-changed for the sake of the 
little 'uns. For example, as good as the Chamber scene was, at no 
point did I fear Harry was going to die. Where was the sense of his 
life slipping away, his quiet acceptance of his fate, the heart-
rening poignancy of this little guy, lying on the floor, as poison 
seeps through him. His "death" just wasn't heart-wrenching enough, 
but it wasn't Daniel's fault. They ironed out aspects of his 
character for the sake of a young audience. I wanted to smell death! 
I wanted to feel sadness that Riddle could do that to our Harry! 
Instead we got the longest minute in history, a kid who looked more 
like he'd grazed his arm rather than been mortally wounded, and the 
hilarious understatement  "Thanks Fawkes" after the phoenix tears 
saved him - the cinema wet itself with luaghter!!

I'm also really angry about the treatment of Ron. Someone was right, 
they've totally assassinated his character. Yeah, Ron is the joker of 
the trio, but he's also the wizarding world "expert" of the three, 
and the loyal friend and protector. Here, they'd given all his guts 
to Harry, all his best lines and knowledge to Hermione, and we were 
left with a bumbling idiot that the other two seemd to be carrying. 
It's a scandal! It's slanderous! Rupert Grint was excellent, but they 
gave him little to work with.

Also, did anyone else notice Lucius Malfoy start saying "Avada..." at 
Harry when he'd freed Dobby, before the house-elf intervened. Talk 
about trampling on canon!!!!! No-one but Voldy has tried to kill 
Harry. This unecessary manipulation of the plot could end up canon-
problematic.

And the end was awful. Me and my friends cracked up. The Hagrid-love 
was way too much. Why does Chris Columbus have to "Home Alone" 
everything, and give it a sugary ending? Life ain't always like that. 
I loved the handshake/hug scene though - as a Ron and Hermione 
shipper, it gave me a warm glow, though it was a bit blatant and if 
the mudblood scene etc, had been done better, such sign-posting of 
their blossoming relationship wouldn't have been necessary.

I'm optomistic for PoA in 2004. THe acting of all involved can only 
get better, and I am praying that a new director will see the third 
film gaiven the darker, edgier feeling it needs. I think they should 
stuff the really young audience, and go all out on the darkness of 
PoA even if it means a 12A/PG-13 rating. It would be better for it. I 
hope Alfonso doesn't hold back, and that he finally lets Ron's true 
character shine through (think of his defiance and willing self-
sacrifice in the Shreiking Shack), because that is possibly my 
biggest criticism of the films thus far.

-*Claudine*-
Who says Ron is more than a bumbling side-kick, he's a guy of diverse 
qualities.




From kagar at knology.net  Tue Nov 19 17:03:32 2002
From: kagar at knology.net (kagar_home)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:03:32 -0000
Subject: That silly little box!
Message-ID: <ardqt5+eltt@eGroups.com>

For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that little box that 
Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! (When Harry & Ron were 
there to find out what Malfoy knew about the Heir.) And what was 
inside it? I don't remember that being in the book. It must have 
some significance or it wouldn't have made it into the film. Any 
ideas??!!





From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 17:13:27 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:13:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <ardqt5+eltt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021119171327.84800.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>


--- kagar_home <kagar at knology.net> wrote:
> For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that
> little box that 
> Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! 


In the movie we never find out.  We just know that it
rattles when he shakes it.  When the polyjuice potion
wears off, Draco is distracted by the box, so Harry
and Ron can get out.

I figured they put it in the scene so that Draco
doesn't see them change back into themselves.

Claire

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From kagar at knology.net  Tue Nov 19 17:30:51 2002
From: kagar at knology.net (kagar_home)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:30:51 -0000
Subject: That silly little box
Message-ID: <ardsgb+766e@eGroups.com>

You may be right. It could have just been a means to distract 
Malfoy. Although, I can't help being suspicious of the smallest 
details because JK is an exceptionally sneaky author (I know she 
didn't write the screenplay, but she did have influence from what I 
gather) and you can't take even the smallest item for granted. IE: 
Scabbers.

K




From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 18:03:50 2002
From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:03:50 -0000
Subject: That silly little box
In-Reply-To: <ardsgb+766e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ardue6+kkkp@eGroups.com>

I was concerned with Klepto!Draco - remember him tearing a page from 
a book and pocketing it in the bookstore? But in the book, I remember 
a discussion in Borgin's where Lucius is telling Draco that if he 
didn't get his grades up (related to Hermione), that stealing was 
going to be the only thing he was fit for. The Borgin scene was cut 
from the movie, maybe there is something there that we won't see 
until the DVD.

Also - Lucius apparently almost AK's Harry at the end. We don't know 
for sure, he says Avada, but we don't know if there might be another 
curse that begins that way. Furthermore, we don't know for sure that 
it was Harry and not Dobby that L was trying to curse. But, assuming 
that L was going to AK Harry, that would have been interesting, given 
what happened the last time someone tried to AK Harry. How about 
Vapor!Lucius and a silver snake scar next to the lightning bolt on 
Harry's forehead? I think Lucius should be glad that Dobby stepped in 
just in time.

Constance Vigilance.







From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 18:54:26 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:54:26 -0000
Subject: That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <ardqt5+eltt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <are1d2+b20j@eGroups.com>

Spoiler Space
Spoiler Space
Spoiler Space
Spoiler Space
Spoiler Space
Spoiler Space
I believe we are still to use spoiler space, right??

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "kagar_home" <kagar at k...> wrote:
> For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that little box that 
> Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! (When Harry & Ron were 
> there to find out what Malfoy knew about the Heir.) And what was 
> inside it? I don't remember that being in the book. It must have 
> some significance or it wouldn't have made it into the film. Any 
> ideas??!!

I believe in the great hall scene Christmas dinner scene on the 
table with the trio are similar boxes. Some kind of small gift from 
the school? Candy maybe? We don't know.
Significance? Not much, except to reinforce Klepto!Draco for the 
really dense people in the audience. Also for a distraction, but 
they could have done that without Klepto!Draco...

-Andrea/Kattrap




From bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 19:03:37 2002
From: bruinfan1988 at yahoo.com (bruinfan1988)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:03:37 -0000
Subject: That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <are1d2+b20j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <are1u9+kjke@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Andrea" <kattrap_meow at y...> wrote:
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> Spoiler Space
> I believe we are still to use spoiler space, right??
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "kagar_home" <kagar at k...> wrote:
> > For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that little box that 
> > Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! 

I thought that it was a Christmas gift, which, when unwrapped, 
contained a pocketwatch, or a flat, ciruclar object that looked like 
one--wasn't Draco holding it up to his ear (as if to see if it was 
ticking) when Crabbe/Ron and Goyle/Harry were running out of the 
common room?  

Leeanna




From karen-gary at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 19 19:34:20 2002
From: karen-gary at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:34:20 -0000
Subject: More thoughts on Lucius 
Message-ID: <are3ns+ldhm@eGroups.com>

I have been reading everyone's posts about the scene with Lucius,
Dobby and Harry near the end of the movie but I havent' seen anyone
discuss this thought..
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Werent' we told in GoF that AK cannot be blocked?  I find it troubling
that they set this precedent without thinking about the results.  Will
they decide to allow Harry to block V's curse too?

I can see Lucius reacting in anger for having been tricked into
freeing his house elf (by blurting out the worst spell imaginable) but
wouldn't it have made more sense for Dobby to just blast him before
Lucius can say anything?  It made me uncomfortable when I saw it in
the HBO special and even more so in the film.


What does everyone think?

Karen




From mage_83 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 19 20:08:08 2002
From: mage_83 at hotmail.com (Dara Ware)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:08:08 -0000
Subject: That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <20021119171327.84800.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <are5n8+dsic@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Claire <dis_aliter_visum at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- kagar_home <kagar at k...> wrote:
> > For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that
> > little box that 
> > Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! 
> 
> 
> In the movie we never find out.  We just know that it
> rattles when he shakes it.  When the polyjuice potion
> wears off, Draco is distracted by the box, so Harry
> and Ron can get out.


I'm pretty sure that it's just a little present that everyone got at 
the Christmas feast.  If you look at the feast scene, and look at the 
table settings, you can see that Harry, Hermione and Ron each have a 
wizard cracker and then a little red box (similar to the green one) 
tied up in string.  

Someone probably brought their box back from the feast unopened and 
forgot it on the table where Draco sat.  

Make sense?

-Dara




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Tue Nov 19 20:18:25 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:18:25 -0000
Subject: That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <are5n8+dsic@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <are6ah+hdcn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Dara Ware" <mage_83 at h...> wrote:
> 
> I'm pretty sure that it's just a little present that everyone got 
at 
> the Christmas feast.  If you look at the feast scene, and look at 
the 
> table settings, you can see that Harry, Hermione and Ron each have 
a 
> wizard cracker and then a little red box (similar to the green 
one) 
> tied up in string.  
> 
> Someone probably brought their box back from the feast unopened 
and 
> forgot it on the table where Draco sat.  
> 
> Make sense?

I thought it was funny that Draco first asked Crabbe and Goyle if 
the box belonged to either of them, before he took it.  I guess 
we're to assume that if it had, he would have left it alone, but his 
sense of honour stretches only so far.  Apart from his own little 
circle, it's pretty much open season on everything and everyone else.

Wanda





From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 20:30:55 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:30:55 -0000
Subject: Klepto Malfoy and That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <ardqt5+eltt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <are71v+df7u@eGroups.com>

Kagar_home Wrote:

>>>>>>> For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that little box 
that Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! <<<<<<<<

Fyre Wood (me) replies:
As someone already mentioned, it was indeed something from the feast. 
It looks as though he keeps to his "Klepto Malfoy" theme/character 
and steals it. He places it into his robe and then later takes it out 
just as Goyle!Harry and Crabbe!Ron are changing back into their 
original state.

It not only made for a way to distract Draco Malfoy, but also showed 
that yet again he stole something--which to me still seems out of his 
character. O.o I remember sitting there the first time that I saw 
that and thinking "where the heck did that come from?"



Kagar_home also wrote:
>>>>>>>>And what was inside it? I don't remember that being in the 
book. It must have some significance or it wouldn't have made it into 
the film. Any ideas??!!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Uh, I already answered the last part of the question above, but I 
think that it was either a necklace or watch that he pulled out. I 
guess during my fourth viewing of the film I'll have to get a closer 
look and eye in on that scene =)

--Fyre Wood, who is still in shock that her beloved Draco is now a 
thief.




From melclaros at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 19 20:51:52 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:51:52 -0000
Subject: Lockhart's "mission"
In-Reply-To: <ardp0j+ihd0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <are898+o3lv@eGroups.com>


> > 
> Not in so many words, but it's definitely implied in Alan Rickman's 
> and Maggie Smith's behavior during the scene.  There's a definite 
> subtext of "We know you've been blowing smoke this entire time, and 
> do, and they knew it.
> 


Maybe I'm just a sarcastic misery but how else could one interpret 
Snape's comment to Lockart "it appears your moment has come" even if 
you HAVEN'T read the whole scene in the book? It was patently obvious 
with just that (although I REALLY missed "The very man!") but they 
let Snape continue pushing Lockhart's buttons by saying..."Yes, 
didn't you say you knew where the entrance to the chamber is...? etc" 
while pinning him with that Snapey, snide, sidelong glare. I can't 
imagine anyone honestly thinking Snape was sending Lockhart on a 
serious mission of any sort! Not even to pick up fizzing whizzbies 
from Honeydukes!

Melpomene




From itzregina at hanson.net  Tue Nov 19 20:59:31 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:59:31 -0000
Subject: Some things to look for at your next viewing!
Message-ID: <are8nj+sk9k@eGroups.com>

moviemistakes.com website:

"The new Harry Potter film has been well received by critics and 
audiences, and breaking records around the world, but it's also 
attracting attention from that less-liked area of the viewing public -
 eagle-eyed viewers. 45 mistakes have already been spotted by movie-
goers and submitted to UK film website moviemistakes.com, with more 
coming in daily. It will have a way to go to catch up with the 
original film, though, which currently has 124 mistakes listed on the 
site.

Here are a few examples of mistakes submitted by visitors to
moviemistakes.com:

In the Quidditch scene, Harry breaks his right arm, but as he sits up 
after he falls off his broom, he leans directly on it.

When Ron and Harry are escaping from the spiders in the flying car 
the passenger's side window that broke earlier hitting the willow 
tree is not broken, you can see Ron's reflection. A minute later you 
see that the window is broken again.

When we see the first defence against the dark arts class with the 
pixies taking over, when Lockhart goes out and tells Harry, Ron and 
Hermione to pop them back into the cage, Hermione makes them all 
freeze in mid-air. Most of the pixies drop bits of paper, but one 
drops a big book. You can see it go thundering down to the ground, 
but you can't hear it land. All you can hear
is bits of paper flying everywhere.

When Gilderoy jumps into the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets you 
see his cape go flowing up above his head. In a short second shot, 
taken from above, it's not.

At the beginning of the scene near the end of the movie with Lucius 
Malfoy fuming at Dumbledore in his office, Malfoy's hair is fanned 
back behind his shoulders. The lighting in the room illuminates the 
back of his neck, where you can see his real, short brown hair.

When Lockhart falls down the hole into the Chamber of Secrets, we 
hear him hit the ground a second or two later. When Ron and Harry 
jump down, not only do they take longer to get down, they also slide 
down the pipe, rather than fall straight down.

The complete list of mistakes can be found here:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film.php?filmid=2434



Gina




From divaclv at aol.com  Tue Nov 19 23:31:24 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:31:24 -0000
Subject: More thoughts on Lucius
In-Reply-To: <are3ns+ldhm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arehkc+6fjm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Gary Sapp & Karen J.S." <karen-gary at w...> 
wrote:
> I have been reading everyone's posts about the scene with Lucius,
> Dobby and Harry near the end of the movie but I havent' seen anyone
> discuss this thought..
 S
 P
 O
 I
 L
 E
 R
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
 *
> Werent' we told in GoF that AK cannot be blocked?  I find it 
troubling
> that they set this precedent without thinking about the results.  
Will
> they decide to allow Harry to block V's curse too?
> 

I think technically the curse wasn't "blocked," because it was never 
actually cast--Lucius was prevented from completing the incantation 
by Dobby knocking him halfway down the hall.  That's my 
understanding, anyway.

~Christi




From bray.262 at osu.edu  Tue Nov 19 18:53:47 2002
From: bray.262 at osu.edu (Rachel Bray)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:53:47 +0000 (EST5EDT)
Subject: a thought
Message-ID: <392D1F27CB@lincoln.treasurer.ohio-state.edu>

I think I'm going to form a band and name it Lucius's 
Ponytail.

Aaaand...that's all I have to say today.

*walks off in a Harry daze*

Rachel Bray
The Ohio State University
Fees & Deposits

The light at the end of the tunnel may be an 
angry, flying Ford Anglia.



From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 01:25:25 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:25:25 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
In-Reply-To: <arbp28+8prl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <areoa5+ddn1@eGroups.com>

I'm despeartely trying to catch up on the last three days of posts 
(I've been away visiting my nephews and seeing CoS a further three 
times with different groups of varying HP knowledge, more on which in 
a later post) but this thread caught my eye for immediate attention.

melclaros wrote in reply to Dave Haber:

> > Has anyone been able to document the new spells used in the
> > Chamber of Secrets movie?  I'm not sure I even remember where 
> > they all were, but a few are:
> > 
> > 1. When Snape destroys the snake Malfoy created with Serpensortia
> > 2.The spell that seems to force things away, Harry used it to fet 
> the spider of Ron in the car, I believe the same spell was used 
> elsewhere in the movie
> > 
> > I'd like to add these as soon as possible to the spells database 
> > on wizardingwireless.net (click on "Kwikspell Spell Assistant" to 
> > play with it).  Any help is greatly appreciated.
> > 
> 
> As far as I've been able to remember the spell Snape used was 
> pronounced "ih-raneeya ev-an-eh-skah". 

I have no idea how you managed to hear the first word that way. 
Perhaps my high school Latin helped me to hear it properly (plus 
whoever told Rickman - himself? - to pronounce it that way was taught 
the same rules of Latin pronunciation I was),  but it's "vipera 
evanesca", literally meaning "snake, disappear!" (i.e. the verb is an 
order) - I wouldn't be surprised if "evanescere" in its declined 
forms made more canon appearances as a disappearing spell.

The one Harry hears Riddle use on Aragog and later uses on the 
spiders: "aranea exime" - aranea = spider(s); exime (lit.) = "to take 
away" (it is the root of "exempt" in modern English through its past 
participle); stretching it, it can have a metaphorical meaning 
of "banish".

And a couple of others which may or may not have been included in the 
database already which I recall from the movie:

The one Riddle uses on Hagrid's box in which Aragog is hiding:
"scissam appareo", lit. "may a rent/opening appear".

Lockhart's arm-mending gone awry: "bracchium emendo" (bracchium = 
arm, emendo=correct).

Lockhart's snake-flying one: "volate ascendere" (not quite 
gramatically correct): volate = flying (adj.); ascendere: to go up.

A word on McGonagall's animal-into-goblet transformation (which I 
assume has caused no problems), "feraverto": fera = wild animal 
(hence "feral", as of the Ford Anglia :-) ), and verto = change.

Have I missed any?

Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re. 
Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER than 
seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". Misuse of that word 
is one of my *major* bugbears about incorrect English, and whilst I'd 
not expect that mistake from the punctilious Snape, Alan Rickman 
*really* should know better. That Kloves made the mistake doens';t 
surprise me in the slightest...






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 01:32:08 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:32:08 -0000
Subject: COS Intermission in the UK?
In-Reply-To: <015c01c28eac$cf557ac0$6401a8c0@gryffindor>
Message-ID: <areomo+7h3v@eGroups.com>

Dave Haber wrote:
> I recently learned that movies in the UK routinely have 
> intermissions somewhere in the middle of the movie.

Whoever told you that was having you on. 

We used to have intermissions when all cinema shows consisted of two 
movies (am I the only person here who remembers those days?) but that 
was between the movies, not in the middle of one or the other. 

Exceptionally long movies might get split in half, though - the last 
time I saw a film split in the middle was over two decades ago but 
the film had a running time in excess of 7 hours (I can't remember 
specifically which long movie it was; several candidates spring to 
mind).

> Could someone in the UK please confirm, 1) that there was an
> intermission for COS when you saw it and 2) exactly where it came 
> in the movie (after/before what scene, etc.)






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 01:57:07 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:57:07 -0000
Subject: Harry (mis)characterisation (Re: favorite quotes)
In-Reply-To: <a05200a01b9fe2f2b8a79@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <areq5j+6oop@eGroups.com>

illyana delorean wrote:

<snip>

> Am I the only person who thought that the Lucius/Harry exchange 
> in Dumbledore's office was completely cheesy? (You know, the "save 
> the day/I will be" thing) Everyone seems to love it.

I absolutely HATED it.


Just in case, here's some 

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E


Much has been made in some posts of the way Kloves and/or Columbus 
seem to misunderstand what Harry's about. That line of Harry's 
(suggested to Dan by Columbus, and furthermore to be delivered "like 
Clint Eastwood") is *SO* not Harry. 

Harry doesn't SEE himself as a hero, and he doesn't WANT to be a 
hero. He gets dragged into confrontations with Voldemort etc against 
his will, and he gets involved only to save himself from further 
harm, but he doesn't go out of his way to be a hero or to right all 
that's wrong in the world. Given the choice, he'd take a quiet life 
every time. 

Ultimately, it's all been about self-preservation, and occasionally 
the preservation of his friends (which boils down to the same thing). 

He takes no particular pleasure in being the hero, and doesn't rally 
see anything he's done as particularly heroic. Confronting Lucius 
with a line like that just doesn't ring true for me.





From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Wed Nov 20 01:57:32 2002
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:57:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: COS: New Incantations
References: <areoa5+ddn1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DDAEC0C.6DBACDFD@pacificpuma.com>



GulPlum wrote:
> 
(SNIP)
> 
> A word on McGonagall's animal-into-goblet transformation (which I
> assume has caused no problems), "feraverto": fera = wild animal
> (hence "feral", as of the Ford Anglia :-) ), and verto = change.
> 
> Have I missed any?
> 
> Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re.
> Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER than
> seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". Misuse of that word
> is one of my *major* bugbears about incorrect English, and whilst I'd
> not expect that mistake from the punctilious Snape, Alan Rickman
> *really* should know better. That Kloves made the mistake doens';t
> surprise me in the slightest...
> 
>

Has anyone besides me wondered if the incomplete transformation of
Scabbers was not entirely due to Ron's broken wand, but the fact he is
really a human and the spell was meant to be used only on animals?  Of
course noone really notices cause they assume its the wand.  I bet Peter
didn't care for that at all.. Its like:

PETER: (thinking) 'Oh Great!  The stupid git turned me into a
goblet..well...almost..I still have a tail. (lashes tail around in
annoyance) I knew I should have checked Ron's class schedule and hidden
well before this class. Its a good thing he didn't blow me up.'




From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Wed Nov 20 03:00:03 2002
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:00:03 -0600
Subject: Ford Anglia spotted in Florida?
References: <areoa5+ddn1@eGroups.com> <3DDAEC0C.6DBACDFD@pacificpuma.com>
Message-ID: <3DDAFAB3.3E72C4B6@pacificpuma.com>

I'm not sure if it really fits on this list, but I was looking at autos
for sale online and found this one and thought for sure there are people
on this list that might like to at least look at the picture:

"
http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/0/4/36976604.htm

1966  FORD-BRITISH  ANGLIA  

English Ford Anglia, as seen in Harry Potter, this rare car is a gem 
"
Its in Florida if anyone is looking for one and only $15,000

Hope to see it turn up at a Harry Potter convention someday if they
start having them where I can go.  Too bad I already bought a pickup
truck recently or I might have been interested myself




From minaclare at sympatico.ca  Wed Nov 20 03:13:09 2002
From: minaclare at sympatico.ca (Mina-Clare Moseley)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:13:09 -0500
Subject: HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
Message-ID: <v04210100ba00ac4aaf1a@[65.95.88.57]>

Hey,

My local theater is holding a "Harry Potter and the Chamber of 
Secrets" trivia contest. I've got most of the questions answered 
already, but they're are a few which are pretty difficult to answer. 
I was wondering anyone would be able to help me. Here's what I need 
to know:

---

What time is it in the Dursley's living room at the start of the movie?

Whose picture is on Harry's closet door?

Name the first spell used in the movie? (I assume this question 
refers to human, spoken spell, as opposed to Dobby's magic)

What colour are the snake's eyes? (I can't decide if they mean the 
dueling club snake or the Basilisk)

How many tears from the Phoenix does it take to heal Harry's arm?

---

Thanks in advance for the help. I'm pretty sure its either a t-shirt 
or a poster that's on the line.

~Mina



From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 03:32:51 2002
From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:32:51 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
In-Reply-To: <areoa5+ddn1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arevp3+imq1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:

> Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re. 
> Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER than 
> seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". Misuse of that 
word 
> is one of my *major* bugbears about incorrect English, and whilst 
I'd 
> not expect that mistake from the punctilious Snape, Alan Rickman 
> *really* should know better. That Kloves made the mistake doens';t 
> surprise me in the slightest...

That often annoys me, too, but in this case, I heard it differently, 
as in "no less" referred to the state of the disaster rather than the 
count of muggles. Maybe it was just my grammarian ears making the 
correction.

Constance Vigilance




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 03:38:37 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:38:37 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
In-Reply-To: <arevp3+imq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arf03t+t8e6@eGroups.com>

Susan Miller wrote in reply to my earlier rant:
 
> > Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re. 
> > Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER than 
> > seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". 

> That often annoys me, too, but in this case, I heard it
> differently, as in "no less" referred to the state of the disaster 
> rather than the count of muggles. Maybe it was just my grammarian 
> ears making the correction.

Huh? How can the term in "You were seen by no less than seven 
Muggles" refer to *anything* other than the number of Muggles?






From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Nov 20 03:43:23 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:43:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More thoughts on Lucius/ Harry's (mis)characterization/ Request for favorite lines
References: <arehkc+6fjm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01e101c29046$fb0c6840$849ccdd1@istu757>

First, thanks for all the great lines from CoS!  I've really been enjoying
them!

Now, on to other things:

>  S
>  P
>  O
>  I
>  L
>  E
>  R
>  *
>  *
>  *
>  *
Christi writes:

> I think technically the curse wasn't "blocked," because it was never
> actually cast--Lucius was prevented from completing the incantation
> by Dobby knocking him halfway down the hall.  That's my
> understanding, anyway

That's the way I see it.  To me, a wizard could stand around saying "Avada"
all day long and not get anywhere, no matter how powerful they were.  I
mean, if just the pronunciation of "Wingardium Leviosa" keeps it from
working, surely leaving off half the incantation would prevent a curse from
actually being cast.  So Lucius' "ak" was interrupted, not blocked.

Claudine wrote:

> Also, did anyone else notice Lucius Malfoy start saying "Avada..." at
> Harry when he'd freed Dobby, before the house-elf intervened. Talk
> about trampling on canon!!!!! No-one but Voldy has tried to kill
> Harry. This unecessary manipulation of the plot could end up canon-
> problematic.

Well, not necessarily.  Technically Quirrell was trying to kill Harry (egged
on by Voldemort, yes) though he never quite got to his wand, so I guess that
can't count.  Then there's Crouch who was about to try to kill Harry when
Dumbledore and co. showed up.  I don't think it's really canon-problematic,
but I think it was an unnecessary bit of foreshadowing.  Due to the fact
that anybody who knows enough HP to know what Avada Kedavra is also knows
that Lucius is a DE.  So I don't quite understand the point.  I don't mind
it, not really, but it doesn't seem to be very useful.


> illyana delorean wrote
> > Am I the only person who thought that the Lucius/Harry exchange
> > in Dumbledore's office was completely cheesy? (You know, the "save
> > the day/I will be" thing) Everyone seems to love it.

GulPlum writes:

> I absolutely HATED it.
> Much has been made in some posts of the way Kloves and/or Columbus
> seem to misunderstand what Harry's about. That line of Harry's
> (suggested to Dan by Columbus, and furthermore to be delivered "like
> Clint Eastwood") is *SO* not Harry.

I'm still confused on who's idea this line was.  According to Jason Isaacs
he suggested it *and* told Daniel to "say it like Clint Eastwood."  Well,
that's beside the point, really, I suppose.

> He takes no particular pleasure in being the hero, and doesn't rally
> see anything he's done as particularly heroic. Confronting Lucius
> with a line like that just doesn't ring true for me.

I think I know what they were aiming at.  Not necessarily that Harry was
taking pleasure in being heroic, but that he was standing up to someone.  As
you know, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if Lucius says anything
negative about Harry's parents.  But in the book he did.  And I always
wondered why Harry stood idly by.  Which may or may not be relevant.

That point aside, I think they were aiming at building Harry from the rather
timid little boy in SS/PS to the rather bold young man who yells in Snape's
face when his father is insulted.  A transitional phase so to speak.  They
may have missed the mark slightly, but I think that was the general
intention.

Richelle





From smiller at dslextreme.com  Wed Nov 20 03:48:28 2002
From: smiller at dslextreme.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:48:28 -0000
Subject: COS: New Incantations
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> Susan Miller wrote in reply to my earlier rant:
>  
> > > Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re. 
> > > Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER 
than 
> > > seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". 
> 
> > That often annoys me, too, but in this case, I heard it
> > differently, as in "no less" referred to the state of the 
disaster 
> > rather than the count of muggles. Maybe it was just my grammarian 
> > ears making the correction.
> 
> Huh? How can the term in "You were seen by no less than seven 
> Muggles" refer to *anything* other than the number of Muggles?

"You were seen, no less, by 7 muggles!"




From frantyck at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 03:57:08 2002
From: frantyck at yahoo.com (frantyck)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 03:57:08 -0000
Subject: Minor characters rock and rule
Message-ID: <arf16k+nsgj@eGroups.com>

Hi all. Watched the movie, died of boredom and disappointment. There 
are so many plot holes and non-sequiturs that very soon I was just 
gesturing feebly in protest.

But -- did anyone care for the actors who handled the lesser 
characters? I thought David Bradley (Filch) was marvellous; Jimmy 
Waylett (Crabbe) and Joshua Herdman (Goyle) as Ron-Crabbe and Goyle-
Harry were really quite good; I could have hugged Miriam Margolyes 
(Professor Sprout); Robert Hardy (Cornelius Fudge) was sufficiently 
helpless in the face of duty; Hugh Mitchell (Creevey) looked just 
right, even though he was a tad too confident. Shirley Henderson 
(Moaning Myrtle) was not bad. Julie Walters (Molly Weasley) was not 
quite angry enough nor quite motherly enough, although I was hoping 
for a lot from her.

The thing is, most of the actors *look* just right, regardless of 
how they are used in the film. This leads me to think that they were 
chosen solely on the basis of their physical approximation to the 
characters in the books. Which is okay -- just not good enough. For 
almost all of the younger actors then, rather than acting their 
characters, they are merely acting that scene. The older actors, on 
the other hand, have enough experience to make the most of their 
abbreviated appearances.

Rrishi




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 04:28:07 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:28:07 -0000
Subject: COS: (mis)quotes :-) 
In-Reply-To: <arf0mc+497s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arf30n+m8p9@eGroups.com>

Susan Miller wrote:
> GulPlum wrote:

> > Huh? How can the term in "You were seen by no less than seven 
> > Muggles" refer to *anything* other than the number of Muggles?
> 
> "You were seen, no less, by 7 muggles!"

Err... The line as I quoted it is as it appears in the movie (I say 
that without any possible fear of contradiction). :-) 

Your interpretation *depends* on a mis-quote. :-)

Richelle wrote in reply to what I'd said:

> > I absolutely HATED it.
> > Much has been made in some posts of the way Kloves and/or Columbus
> > seem to misunderstand what Harry's about. That line of Harry's
> > (suggested to Dan by Columbus, and furthermore to be 
> > delivered "like Clint Eastwood") is *SO* not Harry.

> I'm still confused on who's idea this line was. According to Jason 
> Isaacs he suggested it *and* told Daniel to "say it like Clint 
> Eastwood." Well, that's beside the point, really, I suppose.

As I understand the various interviews, Isaacs came up with "Let's 
hope Mr Potter will always be around to save the day"; there's been 
some ambiguity about who came up with Dan's line, but Columbus has 
consistently said that he came up with both the line and the directed 
delivery. I've not seen anything which suggests that Isaacs gave Dan 
any pointers.

> I think I know what they were aiming at. Not necessarily that Harry 
> was taking pleasure in being heroic, but that he was standing up to 
> someone. As you know, I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if 
> Lucius says anything negative about Harry's parents. But in the 
> book he did. 

Lucius's very last words of the movie (as he gets up from being 
sprawled on the floor) are "your parents were meddlesome fools, too. 
Mark my words, Potter. One day soon, you are going to meet the same 
sticky end." (which, together with his entrance, probably counts as 
my single favourite Lucius line - the way he says "sticky" can only 
be described as... sticky and luscious). :-)

That line comes, of course, well after the confrontation in 
Dumbledore's office. 

I'm all for Harry sticking up for himself - one of my major gripes 
about the first movie was that it made him into an utter wimp by the 
loss of his ascerbic tongue. The "Don't worry, I will be" line is WAY 
too far in the opposite direction, as indeed is most of the Harry 
(mis)characterisation throughout CoS. He comes out as a major hero, 
wanting to be a hero and trying to live up to the WW's expectations.

My point is that Harry doesn't want to be a hero and most of the time 
is quite fearful (not to say scared) of whatever might happen next. 
He certainly doesn't think he can live up to anyone's expectationf, 
and indeed has a pretty low opinion of his own abilities. That 
riposte to Lucius simply goes against all of that.

> That point aside, I think they were aiming at building Harry from 
> the rather timid little boy in SS/PS to the rather bold young man 
> who yells in Snape's face when his father is insulted. A 
> transitional phase so to speak. 

Harry is nowhere near that position yet. His outbursts directed at 
Snape (and Remus and Sirius) in PoA are borne out of indignation, not 
the quiet confidence with which he says the line in question. 

Sure, anyone else would be brimming with confidence in Harry's shoes 
at the end of CoS: he's solved a thousand-year-old mystery, he's 
defeated the heir of Slytherin and his beast, he's saved his best 
friend's sister and had his doubts about his House allegiance 
dispelled. But not Harry. Harry is aware within himself that he 
couldn't have done it without help, and still doesn't believe that 
he's anything special. That quiet confidence simply isn't Harry. If 
he'd said the line with his usual indignation (the way he spoke to 
Riddle), it might have worked, but *not* said with Clint Eastwood's 
devil-may-care authority and confidence.







From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 20 05:17:39 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:17:39 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lockhart's "mission"
In-Reply-To: <ardp0j+ihd0@eGroups.com>
References: <ardp0j+ihd0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a02ba00cb424223@[10.0.1.11]>

Christi said:
>
>Please note that I'm not saying the faculty didn't care or wasn't
>distraught over what happened, I'm just saying they accepted that
>they were powerless in this instance.  Which they are--nobody knows
>where the Chamber is, how to get into it even if they did know where
>it is, or what they would be facing on the other side.  There was,
>quite simply, nothing that they could do, and they knew it.

They could have just asked Harry - he always seems to know everything 
about everything :)

illyana
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From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 20 05:23:43 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:23:43 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: That silly little box!
In-Reply-To: <are6ah+hdcn@eGroups.com>
References: <are6ah+hdcn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a03ba00cc3a7c40@[10.0.1.11]>

>Wanda wrote:
>
>I thought it was funny that Draco first asked Crabbe and Goyle if
>the box belonged to either of them, before he took it.  I guess
>we're to assume that if it had, he would have left it alone, but his
>sense of honour stretches only so far.  Apart from his own little
>circle, it's pretty much open season on everything and everyone else.
>

They probably had Draco ask Crabbe and Goyle if it belonged to them 
so the audience would know that he was, in fact, being a theif and 
not just picking up something that was his and opening it.

I didn't like Klepto!Draco at *all* and hope that the trend does not 
continue in future movies. I don't see Draco as being a theif unless 
he's stealing something from Harry (or something that would help him 
hurt Harry).

illyana
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From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 20 05:31:58 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:31:58 -0700
Subject: Grammar rodeo!
In-Reply-To: <arf0mc+497s@eGroups.com>
References: <arf0mc+497s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a04ba00ce8c0770@[10.0.1.11]>

>--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
>>  Susan Miller wrote in reply to my earlier rant:
>> 
>>  > > Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re.
>>  > > Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER
>than
>>  > > seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles".
>>
>>  > That often annoys me, too, but in this case, I heard it
>>  > differently, as in "no less" referred to the state of the
>disaster
>>  > rather than the count of muggles. Maybe it was just my grammarian
>>  > ears making the correction.
>>
>>  Huh? How can the term in "You were seen by no less than seven
>>  Muggles" refer to *anything* other than the number of Muggles?

Susan Miller wrote:

>"You were seen, no less, by 7 muggles!"

Wouldn't the proper way to say that be "You were seen, nonetheless, 
by seven muggles"?

illyana

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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 06:40:26 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:40:26 -0000
Subject: That silly little box! (Some SPOILERS)
In-Reply-To: <ardqt5+eltt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arfaoq+pp9o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "kagar_home" <kagar at k...> wrote:
> For anyone who saw the COS movie: What was that little box that 
> Draco had in the Slytherin common room?! (When Harry & Ron were 
> there to find out what Malfoy knew about the Heir.) And what was 
> inside it? I don't remember that being in the book. It must have 
> some significance or it wouldn't have made it into the film. Any 
> ideas??!!


bboy_mn comments:

It think first and foremost it was a movie 'ploy' (for lack of a
better word). It was simply something to fill out the scene instead of
just having Draco sitting there reciting his lines. Movies are a
visual medium [really they are ;)], and so, it just gives you
something to see when there is really nothing going on but some simple
basic dialog, and it adds a sense of character; it gives Draco a
visual personality.

Now to address Klepto!Draco. I think what the movie is trying to
portray is the sense of priviledge that Draco has. A sense that he is
the center of the universe and that all things exist to serve him. A
sense that when he walks through, the world steps aside. Surely, you
must have met people like that in your own life. I've met dozens of
them; people who for some warped reason saw themselves as above the
rest of the bland and mundane world and therefore deserving to have
the world yeild to their every whim.

In Flourish and Blotts, Draco is standing on a stairs looking at a
book, before he steps down, he tears a page out of the book and stuffs
it in his pocket. Does he see it as stealing? I think not. I think his
attitude is that he is the great Draco Malfoy and what Draco wants,
Draco gets. He sees no reason why he shouldn't have this page is he
wants it, and also sees no reason why a person of quality such as
himself, should have to waste his time dealing with store clerks and
check out lines. He is far to important for those mundane things, so
he takes it. Afterall, in his mind, if he wants it, it belongs to him.

Now we are in the Slytherin Commons room with poly:Crabbe and
poly:Goyle. Draco sees the present, and he wants it. What Draco wants,
Draco gets. It's not a cunning plot, or a desire to steal, or the
thought of having what belongs to someone else. He is simply
excersizing his priviledge of being so far above the other mundane
riffraff of life, that who this actually belongs to is really not a
matter of his concern. He is Draco Malfoy and that alone is enough to
make it belong to him.

He is very casual about it. He treats neither act as if it was of any
significants at all. And being Draco Malfoy, powerful and priviledged,
I think if the person the present belong to, saw Draco take it, he
would think it was better to let Draco have it than risk getting on
Draco's bad side. By doing this, the true owner of the gift, only
re-enforces Draco's sense of power and priviledge.

Just a few thoughts on the subject.

bboy_mn




From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 20 07:05:22 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:05:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: That silly little box! (Some SPOILERS)
In-Reply-To: <arfaoq+pp9o@eGroups.com>
References: <arfaoq+pp9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a06ba00e2f0af45@[10.0.1.11]>

>
>bboy_mn comments:
>
>Now to address Klepto!Draco. I think what the movie is trying to
>portray is the sense of priviledge that Draco has. A sense that he is
>the center of the universe and that all things exist to serve him. A
>sense that when he walks through, the world steps aside. Surely, you
>must have met people like that in your own life. I've met dozens of
>them; people who for some warped reason saw themselves as above the
>rest of the bland and mundane world and therefore deserving to have
>the world yeild to their every whim.
>

I actually like this theory. One question, though: are you saying 
that Draco is not actually a kleptomaniac and that he is pretty much 
only stealing because he is the wonderful Draco Malfoy and deserves 
anything he wants? I am not an expert on kleptomania (is anyone 
here?), but it seems to me that kleptomaniacs steal because it is an 
addiction and they cannot stop. Draco's stealing doesn't seem like 
kleptomania to me, now that I read your theory; it seems like he just 
wants things and doesn't want to have to pay for them or deal with 
time-consuming lines and salespeople.

Thanks for writing this - I was having a bit of a problem dealing 
with the whole Klepto!Draco thing, and your comments have helped me 
keep my image of Draco the way I want it.

illyana

p.s. If anyone cares, I had a problem with ripping out pages of 
library books (or stealing them) while I was in high school, because 
I thought that I shouldn't have to pay for knowledge. Now, I know 
that that does not explain the theiving of the "silly little box," 
but for some reason I wanted to say that. Thankfully, I am way past 
that stage! Hopefully, Draco will grow out of it and turn into a nice 
girl like me (huh?!).
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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 07:05:49 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:05:49 -0000
Subject: That silly little box! (Some SPOILERS)
In-Reply-To: <a05200a06ba00e2f0af45@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <arfc8d+cts9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., illyana delorean <illyana at m...> wrote:
>
Illyana responding to bboy_mn:
> 
> Thanks for writing this - I was having a bit of a problem dealing 
> with the whole Klepto!Draco thing, and your comments have helped me 
> keep my image of Draco the way I want it.
> 
> illyana
> 

bboy_mn:
 
I can't speak for other people or for the first person to use the
Kelpto!Malfoy reference, but I don't think they meant it literally. 

It was simply a general shorthand reference to the fact that we see
Draco stealing twice in this move, when that is not actually part of
the book. So it was a shorthand generalization, but it did beg to
question why would they show Draco stealing, and I think my
explanation show how they could justify it in the context of the
movie. In two very short, no words, no speeches, no explainations
scenes, they were able to show how far above the rest of the world
Draco sees himself.

Thank, glad you liked my theory.

bboy_mn






From A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk  Wed Nov 20 11:16:46 2002
From: A.E.B.Bevan at open.ac.uk (edisbevan)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:16:46 -0000
Subject: COS Intermission in the UK?
In-Reply-To: <areomo+7h3v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arfquu+73bh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
 
> We used to have intermissions when all cinema shows consisted of 
> two movies ..but that 
> was between the movies, not in the middle of one or the other. 
> Exceptionally long movies might get split in half, though 

There were certainly intermissions in films running more than 2 hours 
and some minutes until not so long ago - the film 'A Bridge Too Far' 
had an intermission when first released I recall, as did 'Jaws'.

I think this was tied to the habit of selling food from trays in the 
actual viewing hall though - the intermission was a major sales 
opportunity. This has gone out of fashion since the multiplex cinemas 
and their monster refreshment packs came into operation. The 'extra 
money from food push' now comes before the screening, in foyer sales 
points. Britain's first multiplex opened in 1985 as I recall. They 
have only been general across the country in the last decade.

Edis




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 11:45:59 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:45:59 -0000
Subject: COS Intermission in the UK?
In-Reply-To: <arfquu+73bh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arfsln+rc3j@eGroups.com>

edisbevan wrote:

<snip>

> There were certainly intermissions in films running more than 2
> hours and some minutes until not so long ago - the film 'A Bridge 
> Too Far' had an intermission when first released I recall, as 
> did 'Jaws'.

I would have hated to have had to rely on whatever cinema you used to 
visit when I was younger. Putting a break in the middle of "Jaws" is 
nothing less than barbarism. Especially considering it's barely two 
hours long.

The first movie I ever saw at the cinema was "The Sound of Music", 
which at 174 mins is 50 minutes longer than "Jaws", and even that 
never had an intermission in my experience (I saw it several times 
during the decade following its release). 

The second movie I ever saw at the cinema and again several times 
later (it was a childhood favourite) was "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad 
World", which had an original running time of 3 hours 8 minutes! I 
guarantee that that film never had an intermission - I even remember 
the support feature which showed with it, called "This is Cinerama", 
which itself was over an hour and a half long. It was a guaranteed 
cheap way of being entertained for an entire afternoon during wet 
school holidays, which is one reason I remember it so well.

If cinemas wherever you grew up really sliced movies up as badly as 
you suggest and treated their audience with such contempt, it's 
little wonder that the UK cinema audiences fell so dramatically 
during the seventies.






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 12:18:03 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:18:03 -0000
Subject: HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
In-Reply-To: <v04210100ba00ac4aaf1a@[65.95.88.57]>
Message-ID: <arfuhr+jteo@eGroups.com>

Mina-Clare Moseley wrote:

> What time is it in the Dursley's living room at the start of the
> movie?

I'm not sure, but I think the clock on the mantlepiece under the 
mirror when Vernon's tying Dudley's tie shows 7.55. (Although all of 
that could be mis-remembered and based on self-delusion.)

> Whose picture is on Harry's closet door?

Hedwig's (well, it's a white owl...). :-)

> Name the first spell used in the movie? (I assume this question 
> refers to human, spoken spell, as opposed to Dobby's magic)

Assuming Dobby, the enchanted car and Floo powder are out of the way, 
it'd be "Oculus Reparo" by Hermione in Diagon Alley.

> What colour are the snake's eyes? (I can't decide if they mean the 
> dueling club snake or the Basilisk)

I'd assume they mean the Basilisk, whose eyes were of course yellow 
(reference in the dialogue). The cobra in the Duelling Club had red 
eyes, as I recall (but I'm not certain - we don't see them very well).

> How many tears from the Phoenix does it take to heal Harry's arm?

We see four (3+1), but it's possible there's another (after the third 
one, there's a burst of smoke which may or may not be caused by a 
small drop falling).

I have seen this movie *far* too many times. :-) Oh well, time for a 
change - I'm now off to see James Bond. Back in the evening. :-)




From Dar20 at aol.com  Wed Nov 20 13:20:03 2002
From: Dar20 at aol.com (Darlene)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:20:03 -0000
Subject: Harry (mis)characterisation (Re: favorite quotes)
In-Reply-To: <areq5j+6oop@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arg263+73l0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> illyana delorean wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Am I the only person who thought that the Lucius/Harry exchange 
> > in Dumbledore's office was completely cheesy? (You know, 
the "save 
> > the day/I will be" thing) Everyone seems to love it.
> 
> I absolutely HATED it.
> 
> 
> Just in case, here's some 
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> 
> Much has been made in some posts of the way Kloves and/or Columbus 
> seem to misunderstand what Harry's about. That line of Harry's 
> (suggested to Dan by Columbus, and furthermore to be 
delivered "like 
> Clint Eastwood") is *SO* not Harry. 
> 
> Harry doesn't SEE himself as a hero, and he doesn't WANT to be a 
> hero. 

I agree that Harr doesn't see himself as a hero, however, I loved the 
line.  I don't see it the same way you do, though.  When I heard 
Harry say that, to me it just was a culmination of his hatred for 
Lucius, Draco, and Voldemort all rolled into one.  I didn't see him 
as being cocky, but that's just my thought.

Dar




From editor at texas.net  Wed Nov 20 14:48:11 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:48:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
References: <arfuhr+jteo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c290a3$dbd16f40$7e05a6d8@texas.net>

All attribution forgotten, and not terribly relevant anyway:

> > Whose picture is on Harry's closet door?
>
> Hedwig's (well, it's a white owl...). :-)

I saw what appeared to be a Gryffindor coat of arms sticker (looked like the
corner was peeling up) later in the scene when he stuffs Dobby in there and
is talking to Vernon. Don't recall an owl picture.

I must go see it again.

~Amanda




From nitsirk1969 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 14:57:22 2002
From: nitsirk1969 at yahoo.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:57:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Just saw the movie and loved it!
In-Reply-To: <008f01c290a3$dbd16f40$7e05a6d8@texas.net>
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Hi all
 
First time poster here.  Just saw the movie finally last night and I must say i loved it.  I tried not to listen to all the hype about it and must say i was very surprised with it.  I do wish Rupert had gotten more comical lines to say.  He cracks me up. I also wish they had done more with Ginny's character but i am not in charge so I will have to just enjoy what i can!
Kristin (not so patiently waitin the release of book 5)
 



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From Dar20 at aol.com  Wed Nov 20 16:05:18 2002
From: Dar20 at aol.com (Darlene)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:05:18 -0000
Subject: Can I post photos?
Message-ID: <argbru+7u02@eGroups.com>

I have a couple of photos from the LA premiere.  Can I post them in 
the photos section?  Or does an admin need to?

Just curious.. is anyone interested in seeing them?

Dar




From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 16:16:56 2002
From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:16:56 -0000
Subject: That silly little box! (Some SPOILERS)
In-Reply-To: <arfc8d+cts9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <argcho+83il@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
>  
> I can't speak for other people or for the first person to use the
> Kelpto!Malfoy reference, but I don't think they meant it literally. 
> 
> It was simply a general shorthand reference to the fact that we see
> Draco stealing twice in this move, when that is not actually part of
> the book. So it was a shorthand generalization, but it did beg to
> question why would they show Draco stealing, and I think my
> explanation show how they could justify it in the context of the
> movie. In two very short, no words, no speeches, no explainations
> scenes, they were able to show how far above the rest of the world
> Draco sees himself.
> 
> Thank, glad you liked my theory.
> 
> bboy_mn

Well, it's not TOTALLY out of canon. I mentioned this once before in 
this thread, but I think it merits repeating. I don't have the books 
here at work, but I remember from the Borgin scene, which was filmed 
and then cut from the movie, that Lucius is berating Draco for not 
having better grades than muggle Hermione. Lucius also says that if 
Draco doesn't improve, that stealing would be all he would be good 
for. I think this line is in the cut part from the movie, which would 
then have Klepto!Draco have meaning. 

Constance Vigilance




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Nov 20 16:45:40 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:45:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Can I post photos?
Message-ID: <23041196.1037810740386.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

> I have a couple of photos from the LA premiere.  Can I post them in 
> the photos section?  Or does an admin need to?
> 
> Just curious.. is anyone interested in seeing them?
> 
> Dar

I'd love to see them.  You should be able to post them yourself, I was able to 
post costume photos on the OT-Chatter site.  You just have to upload them in 
the photo section of Yahoo.

Richelle
  ----------

I have a couple of photos from the LA premiere.  Can I post them in 
the photos section?  Or does an admin need to?

Just curious.. is anyone interested in seeing them?

Dar


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From boredchocobo at attbi.com  Wed Nov 20 17:21:33 2002
From: boredchocobo at attbi.com (Chocobo)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:21:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw the movie and loved it!
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From: Kristin 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 

  I also wish they had done more with Ginny's character but i am not in charge so I will have to just enjoy what i can!
  Kristin (not so patiently waitin the release of book 5)


Like a lot of people, I thought Ginny's character was underdeveloped in the movie too... until I went back and looked at the book. What did she do in the book that wasn't shown in the movie? Apart from a little bit at the Weasley house, and that Valentine thing, there isn't anything else that I know of. The book barely paid attention to her until the end, just like the movie.


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From nitsirk1969 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 18:23:15 2002
From: nitsirk1969 at yahoo.com (Kristin)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:23:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw the movie and loved it!
In-Reply-To: <002101c290b9$45e96b70$82647d18@Compuhon>
Message-ID: <20021120182315.3800.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>


I expected to see more of a love struck puppy type ginny of which they hardley showed at all.  In the end of the book i got the impression that she was upset by the ordeal but more tramatized that harry had saved her ther was more interaction I got nothing from the movie.That is all plus the valentines thing would have been hysterical!
 Chocobo <boredchocobo at attbi.com> wrote:From: Kristin 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 

  I also wish they had done more with Ginny's character but i am not in charge so I will have to just enjoy what i can!
  Kristin (not so patiently waitin the release of book 5)


Like a lot of people, I thought Ginny's character was underdeveloped in the movie too... until I went back and looked at the book. What did she do in the book that wasn't shown in the movie? Apart from a little bit at the Weasley house, and that Valentine thing, there isn't anything else that I know of. The book barely paid attention to her until the end, just like the movie.


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From Dar20 at aol.com  Wed Nov 20 18:25:06 2002
From: Dar20 at aol.com (Darlene)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:25:06 -0000
Subject: LA Premiere pics
Message-ID: <argk22+djrk@eGroups.com>

I posted pics we took at the LA premiere.  Sorry some are dark (we 
need to figure out the low light feature on our camera!).

Dar




From crussell at arkansas.net  Wed Nov 20 18:43:48 2002
From: crussell at arkansas.net (bugaloo37)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:43:48 -0000
Subject: Just saw the movie and loved it!
In-Reply-To: <002101c290b9$45e96b70$82647d18@Compuhon>
Message-ID: <argl54+pfsf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Chocobo" <boredchocobo at a...> wrote:
>  
> Like a lot of people, I thought Ginny's character was 
underdeveloped in the movie too... until I went back and looked at 
the book. What did she do in the book that wasn't shown in the movie? 
Apart from a little bit at the Weasley house, and that Valentine 
thing, there isn't anything else that I know of. The book barely paid 
attention to her until the end, just like the movie.
> 

I agree with the above statement.  I saw the movie Saturday and 
noticed that Ginny's part was small; however, I soon remembered that 
her part in the book was also small. JKR has said that Ginny is going 
to be brought out more in book 5- I hope so!!  If, as many suspect,  
Ginny is going to be an eventual romantic interest for Harry, her 
character will definitely have to be greater developed.  In the 
movie, we caught only a small glimpse of that Weasley temper so 
evident in Ron, in our little Ginny-but it was enough to give me hope.

bugaloo37




From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 20:15:13 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:15:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
In-Reply-To: <008f01c290a3$dbd16f40$7e05a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <20021120201513.80375.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Amanda Geist wrote:
> I saw what appeared to be a Gryffindor coat of arms sticker (looked like
> the
> corner was peeling up) later in the scene when he stuffs Dobby in there
> and
> is talking to Vernon. Don't recall an owl picture.

The picture of the white owl was on the left door of the wardrobe, as
you're facing it. (The one that Dobby kept pushing open.)  The Gryffindor
sticker was on the right door, towards the far edge.

I really didn't like seeing Harry's stuff decorating his room.  I think it
took something away from the Durselys locking him in.  I know it made it
easier for them to get his stuff without going downstairs, but couldn't
his trunk have just had a big chain and lock on it like Hedwig's cages?


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From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Wed Nov 20 20:22:43 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:22:43 -0000
Subject: Saw it for the second time...
Message-ID: <argquj+7l34@eGroups.com>

It really is better on the second viewing.  The weirdness of just 
seeing it onscreen, and knowing that some things will be different, 
is over, and I can just pay attention to it as a movie and enjoy 
it.  I saw a few details this time that I missed the first time:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
(Well, these aren't really big spoilers, but the were new things to 
me).  
- While still at the Dursleys, you can see the book that Harry's 
reading beside his bed:  "Which Owl?"  I guess they can't suppress 
ALL of his wizarding interests.
- During the pixie scene, when they knock down the dragon skeleton, 
you can see one pixie sitting on its neck, waving his arm like he's 
riding a bronco, and shouting "Yeee-hawwww!" as it goes down.
- I'd seen the Lockhart in the big portrait running away from the 
pixies, but I hadn't noticed before that even in the black and white 
pictures at the top of the stairs, he's running away too.
- Draco's funny little kung-fu like stance during the duelling 
scene, with his wand held above his head and the other hand 
stretched out, is quite different from Harry's.  Then I noticed that 
it's identical to Snape's stance when he's duelling Lockhart.

I noticed a lot more things I enjoyed this time around, but I must 
regretfully agree with the bad reviews of the final scene.  It 
didn't bother me so much the first time around, but now I find that 
it really slows down the end of the movie, and it doesn't fit with 
what's just come before.  Why on earth didn't they just film the 
pyjama party that was in the book, and have Hagrid come charging in 
to be mobbed by his friends? There was no need for all that 
formality at the end.

Wanda





From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 20:36:09 2002
From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:36:09 -0000
Subject: Saw it for the second time...
In-Reply-To: <argquj+7l34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <argrnp+nhgu@eGroups.com>

--- Wanda wrote:
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> S

< snip good stuff >

> - Draco's funny little kung-fu like stance during the duelling 
> scene, with his wand held above his head and the other hand 
> stretched out, is quite different from Harry's.  Then I noticed 
that 
> it's identical to Snape's stance when he's duelling Lockhart.
> 

Yes, it is. But I think the real reason was for a better looking 
shot. Alan Rickman is right-handed, so his wand should be in his 
right hand. If Snape took the same position as Lockhart, which he 
would, in a real duel, he would have his back to the camera. The wand-
over-the-head position was to turn him around to the camera. It also 
put him at a disadvantage in the duel - he can't very well thrust his 
wand hand from where it is, over his head, can he? So, he has to 
swoosh around for his attack. Luckily for him, Lockhart is slow 
enough that it worked anyway.

So, now it's Draco's turn. Draco is, apparently, also right-handed. 
Same problem. Same solution, and, as has been pointed out, it echoes 
his dueling coach. Snape has also apparently been doing some more off-
camera coaching, else how would Draco know about the snake charm?

In general, I have a problem with the dueling scene anyway, where all 
the charms turned into blast-the-other-guy attacks. How is that going 
to work when they need to expeliarmus wands away in PoA? But I did 
love Snape's version in two words EX PELIARMUS. :)

Constance Vigilance




From richasi at azlance.com  Wed Nov 20 22:46:20 2002
From: richasi at azlance.com (Richasi)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:46:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Saw it for the second time...
In-Reply-To: <argquj+7l34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c290e6$a5a188e0$40d21b18@cfl.rr.com>

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> S

Wanda Said:

> it really slows down the end of the movie, and it doesn't fit with 
> what's just come before.  Why on earth didn't they just film the 
> pyjama party that was in the book, and have Hagrid come charging in 
> to be mobbed by his friends? There was no need for all that 
> formality at the end.

In many ways I don't mind the Hagrid scene, but I would have
liked to have seen them just end it with the big hug. Dumbledore
could have started making his end of term announcements and then
Hermione could have entered the great hall with all the others 
who had been petrified, and then focused on the big hug to end the
movie.

Not too out of character at least, considering everyone was against
Harry in the books and only warmed up to him after Hermione was
petrified. So the ending I just spelled out there would have been
appropriate (at least more so than having this awkward clapping at
Hagrid).

Though, I guess he could be more loved than we know. Especially by
the Gryffindors for sure, but we never really know how well Hagrid
is liked from the Ravenclaws or Hufflepuffs...

Richasi






From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Nov 20 23:02:29 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:02:29 -0000
Subject: CoS film comments  (minor spoiler) and Sticker Books with Wands
Message-ID: <arh4a5+nugi@eGroups.com>

Firstly, I saw CoS on 8/11 in preview and posted comments at that 
time.  Last night, some ten days later, I saw it a second time and 
with a bit of time between me and it to absorb things, I must say 
it's a terrific film. The 10 year old with me was thrilled and  
delighted with it, believing it better than the first film, (and his 
favourite character is Hermione too).  I thought, this is Cinema 
doing what it does best; distilling the book's essence into visual 
form in the most entertaining way, underpinning stunning visuals with 
excellent music. 

It brought home to me that literal adherence to a book is not what 
cinema is about.  If it WAS we should all just go home and just 
twiddle our thumbs until OoP arrives, not bothering with PoA and 
Senor Cuaron at all.  Hand-wringing about departures from canon are 
IMO not relevant (others have already strongly disagreed with this, 
at considerable length, BTW so refer to previous posts).  By way of 
back up, I note that JKR has stated that everything she wants in the 
film is there, so, other departures from canon are not, maybe, 
crucial to the long term plot in JKR's opinion, which on 
consideration, is actually the most important opinion of all, is it 
not?

Secondly, I am not sure if this has been mentioned but there is a 
nice glossy Panini sticker book on CoS, which even in sticker-less 
form, is a fund of visual information including (for Amanda) a 
splendid full page close up of Snape's Wand (and Lockhart's) on pg. 
21 which is fascinating; shots of lamps, badges, cases, cauldrons; 
pictures of Stuart Craig's terrific sets, and an owl.  It costs 99p 
here in the UK, or is attached to a teen magazine called Girl Talk 
for * free *.  I don't know if it is available in the US?

Finally, people have commented that Harry stays alive longer than one 
minute after being nipped by the basilisk.  Actually, Tom Riddle is 
not sure how long Harry will stay alive in the film, as his remark 
shows on the time remaining indicates. I noted that it begins "I * 
guess * you have about
." etc., etc..  So he does not know for 
certain and, as Harry bests him at every given point (with Fawkes and 
a wonderful theme tune to help) why should we, when viewing the film, 
take Tom Riddle at his word, Harry is made of sterner stuff and Tom 
is, ultimately, wrong in his estimate of time.

Felicia
Still unable to find her page a day CoS calendar


..





From nplyon at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 20 23:07:59 2002
From: nplyon at yahoo.com (Nicole L.)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:07:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Minor characters rock and rule
In-Reply-To: <1037795082.249.90067.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021120230759.7316.qmail@web20905.mail.yahoo.com>

Rrishi said:
> Hi all. Watched the movie, died of boredom and
> disappointment. There 
> are so many plot holes and non-sequiturs that very
> soon I was just 
> gesturing feebly in protest.

I'm glad you said this.  I was *extremely*
disappointed with the movie and I've been feeling like
I'm in the minority.  I hated how all of the focus was
on the action scenes and none of the focus was on
character development.  My favorite thing about the HP
books is the character development.  JKR does such a
marvelous job of bringing even the most minor of
characters to life that I wouldn't be surprised if one
of them knocked on my door.  I thought the main
characters in the movie version were all pretty flat
and lifeless and that it was the minor characters who
stood out more.  I enjoyed the portrayal of the minor
characters but I did not like the portrayal of the
main characters at all.

> 
> But -- did anyone care for the actors who handled
> the lesser 
> characters? I thought David Bradley (Filch) was
> marvellous; Jimmy 
> Waylett (Crabbe) and Joshua Herdman (Goyle) as
> Ron-Crabbe and Goyle-
> Harry were really quite good; I could have hugged
> Miriam Margolyes 
> (Professor Sprout); Robert Hardy (Cornelius Fudge)
> was sufficiently 
> helpless in the face of duty; Hugh Mitchell
> (Creevey) looked just 
> right, even though he was a tad too confident.
> Shirley Henderson 
> (Moaning Myrtle) was not bad. Julie Walters (Molly
> Weasley) was not 
> quite angry enough nor quite motherly enough,
> although I was hoping 
> for a lot from her.

I honestly think that Filch is one of my favorite
characters from the movie.  I just love the way David
Bradley plays him.  I found the canon Filch to be
rather annoying but I find the film Filch to be quite
comical.  I just love it when he says, "God, I miss
the screaming!" in SS/PS.  It's my absolute favorite
line from that movie.  I also loved when he said, "Oh,
we are in trouble!" when he caught Harry and Ron in
the second movie.  His nasty little grin and the
motions he makes with eyes just *work*.  I think he's
fantastic.

I liked Hugh Mitchell a lot.  He looks the way I
pictures Colin and he acted the way I pictured Colin
although I thought there was too little of him in the
film.  I'm sure I'll raise a few eyebrows when I say
this but I really *like* Colin.  I actually feel badly
for him when Harry brushes him off.  I know Harry
thinks he's annoying but he just tags along after
Harry all the time because he admires him so much.  I
loved the scene in the film where Colin takes the
picture after Ron retches up the slug and then when he
asks if Ron can turn around.  Priceless.  He's a
photojournalist extraordinaire.  

~Nicole, who will soon console herself for her
disappointment with the film by buying the paperback
copies of the books and reading the series again.

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        "I suppose she thinks you don't forget your name.  
  But we're not stupid--we know we're called Gred and Forge." 

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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu Nov 21 04:13:18 2002
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:13:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just saw the movie and loved it!
References: <20021120182315.3800.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015401c29114$532e1e60$919dcdd1@istu757>

Kristin writes:

>
> Like a lot of people, I thought Ginny's character was underdeveloped in
the movie too... until I went back and looked at the book. What did she do
in the book that wasn't shown in the movie? Apart from a little bit at the
Weasley house, and that Valentine thing, there isn't anything else that I
know of. The book barely paid attention to her until the end, just like the
movie.

There's very little of Ginny in the book, and the same thing goes for the
Fred and George.  Several people have said they'd like to have seen more of
them in the movie, but if you look at the book, they didn't do much.  When
they were around it was a word here, a phrase there, not much to do or say.
I'm looking at my notebook where I was analyzing Fred and George at the
moment.  In CoS they had more lines and more to do in the first 50 pages
(due to Harry's rescue) than in the rest of the book.  No exaggeration, I've
got it all written down here word for word.  There's not much of them there.

Richelle

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From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Thu Nov 21 04:24:56 2002
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:24:56 -0000
Subject: Comments about CoS
In-Reply-To: <ardpdj+s7iu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arhn6o+6dne@eGroups.com>

 
> I loved the handshake/hug scene though - as a Ron and Hermione 
> shipper, it gave me a warm glow, though it was a bit blatant and if 
> the mudblood scene etc, had been done better, such sign-posting of 
> their blossoming relationship wouldn't have been necessary.
> 
>


Well, I'm the un-shipper. The handshake/hug scene was NOT canon, and 
again, I say that JKR, does not introduce any hint that Ron and 
Hermione are interested in each other until the GoF.

And furthermore, why would Hermione be interested in the Ron Weasley 
pportrayed in the CoS? I cannot believe that they inserted the 
comment about sweaty hands to make Ron look even more petrified!


Susan




From corgi at SFF.net  Thu Nov 21 07:30:23 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:30:23 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius & Casting comments in interview
Message-ID: <ari22f+ikq1@eGroups.com>

(I hope the interview reference isn't redundant -- I've been in
Manchester and therefore AFK this past weekend)

The idea of Jason Carter playing Sirius has even spread to Slovakia! 
Check this out:

http://b5.scifi.sk/b5news/?s=302
 
And then, in CBBC Newsround, one of the CoS producers SPECIFICALLY
says the actors playing Remus and Sirius should be a little older, to
match up Rickman.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_2467000/2467949.stm)

[musically] Jason's forty-twoooo-oooo! [/musically]  (I'd hate to
think they'd cast 50-something actors after they slathered so much
youthful makeup on the Alan.)

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
The thinking fan's Sirius Black -- cast Jason Carter!




From voldemort at tut.by  Thu Nov 21 11:55:27 2002
From: voldemort at tut.by (eleyvie)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:55:27 -0000
Subject: Russian Reaction
Message-ID: <arihjf+74m7@eGroups.com>

Well, there are still only a few people in Russia who have seen the 
film (BTW I haven't seen it myself yet - still waiting for official 
legal translation to come to cinemas), but general reaction of all 
those who have seen it is generally the same:

Actor who played Dobby is the Russian President Vladimir V. Putin.

(grin) And now that I have looked at some Dobby-posters, I must say I 
agree with this... They just look so much alike... ;)

Sincerely yours,
Alexander Lomski,
Gryffindor/Slytherin crossbreed,
always happy to throw weird ideas into community.





From pennylin at swbell.net  Thu Nov 21 12:58:47 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:58:47 -0600
Subject: Shipping in CoS Movie
References: <arhn6o+6dne@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007101c2915d$bad73fd0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

Hi --

> I loved the handshake/hug scene though - as a Ron and Hermione 
> shipper, it gave me a warm glow, though it was a bit blatant and if 
> the mudblood scene etc, had been done better, such sign-posting of 
> their blossoming relationship wouldn't have been necessary.
>

Susan responded: <<<Well, I'm the un-shipper. The handshake/hug scene was NOT canon, and again, I say that JKR, does not introduce any hint that Ron and Hermione are interested in each other until the GoF.>>>>>>>>

Actually, CoS *does* set the foundation for Ron's burgeoning interest in Hermione (and there are messages from me in the Archives from pre-GoF to prove it), and PoA builds on that to a limited extent.  Ron's GoF crush on Hermione doesn't come completely out of nowhere!  However, there's no canon, IMO, to show whether Hermione is definitively interested in Ron, Harry, Krum or noone.  It's very ambiguous!  Not to start a shipping war, but being the H/H shipper that I am, I loved the infirmary scene with Harry stroking her hand (albeit certainly not canon) and the H/H hug ..... 

<<<<And furthermore, why would Hermione be interested in the Ron Weasley 
pportrayed in the CoS?>>>>

Er.... why would she be interested in canon!Ron either, asks the H/H shipper with a gleeful smile?  :--)

Penny



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From divaclv at aol.com  Thu Nov 21 16:30:41 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:30:41 -0000
Subject: Just saw the movie and loved it!
In-Reply-To: <015401c29114$532e1e60$919dcdd1@istu757>
Message-ID: <arj1nh+bph4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
> There's very little of Ginny in the book, and the same thing goes 
for the
> Fred and George.  Several people have said they'd like to have seen 
more of
> them in the movie, but if you look at the book, they didn't do 
much.  When
> they were around it was a word here, a phrase there, not much to do 
or say.
> I'm looking at my notebook where I was analyzing Fred and George at 
the
> moment.  In CoS they had more lines and more to do in the first 50 
pages
> (due to Harry's rescue) than in the rest of the book.  No 
exaggeration, I've
> got it all written down here word for word.  There's not much of 
them there.

But at the same time, I think Ginny is more of a *presence* in the 
book than she is on film.  She's not a major player in the scenes but 
she's there, lurking around the edges of the story's conciousness, 
hinting at the fact that *something* is bothering her.  And one of my 
nitpicks with the film is that we don't get much sense of that, of 
her increasing somberness as she realizes what's happening to her.  
Ah well...

~Christi




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 21 16:56:44 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:56:44 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shipping in CoS Movie
In-Reply-To: <007101c2915d$bad73fd0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
References: <arhn6o+6dne@eGroups.com> <007101c2915d$bad73fd0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>
Message-ID: <185228740536.20021121085644@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Thursday, November 21, 2002, 4:58:47 AM, pennylin at swbell.net wrote:

> Er.... why would she be interested in canon!Ron either, asks the H/H
> shipper with a gleeful smile?  :--)

Why on earth not?

While you personally don't think much of him, a lot of other
people do see him as brave, loyal, funny (great sense of
humor, bit sarcastic), and generally having his heart in the
right place and being a good friend.

Maybe Hermione also sees him this way and doesn't just judge
him by his faults, completely discounting his many good
qualities <g>.

Ron has his faults, but so does Hermione (and even Harry), and it
doesn't make either one of them ineligible for being
liked.



-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 17:37:45 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:37:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shipping in CoS Movie
In-Reply-To: <185228740536.20021121085644@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20021121173745.47743.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com>

Susanne commented:
>>>>While you personally don't think much of him, a
lot
of other people do see him as brave, loyal, funny
(great sense of humor, bit sarcastic), and generally
having his heart in the right place and being a good
friend.>>>>

As for me:
I agree that Ron's a good guy with many commendable
qualities. Personally, my inability to envision a R/Hr
pairing has nothing to do with Ron's character and
everything to do with his chemistry with Hermione -- I
don't see it (besides the bickering, if you call that
chemistry)! They strike me as far too incompatable to
have a plausible, long-term relationship. And I just
don't find them too terribly romantic (silly reason, I
know).

Harry and Hermione seemed to have an apparent, natural
chemistry in the movie. I could sense no real deep
connection between Ron and Hermione. However, we *are*
talking MOVIE CANON, which means a great many of the
emotions are communicated through the actors and may
betray their own natural preferences.

But, it's like Emma Watson said, "They're both
gorgeous!"

-Jess, who speaks only for herself :)  


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From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 21 20:21:40 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1904 05:57:41 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: COS: New Incantations
Message-ID: <v01540b000000502381c7@[195.184.231.237]>

Gul Plum wrote:-

>Incidentally, and changing the subject to another language: re.
>Snape's opening scene reading the riot act to H&R: "no FEWER than
>seven Muggles", not "no LESS than seven Muggles". Misuse of that word
>is one of my *major* bugbears about incorrect English, and whilst I'd
>not expect that mistake from the punctilious Snape, Alan Rickman
>*really* should know better. That Kloves made the mistake doens';t
>surprise me in the slightest...

The one which really got me is '*the* both of you'...said by both Snape and
McGonagall in the course of the film. Teeth-grindlingly awful.

Regards,
Nicholas





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 21 20:21:41 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1904 05:57:42 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: COS Intermission in the UK?
Message-ID: <v01540b0100005292143c@[195.184.231.237]>

I saw PS/SS many times last year (stopped counting at 13) but one of the
showings  was in the old-fashioned cinema at Lyme Regis, on the south coast
of England. There was an intermission; they stopped the film just after the
quidditch match, which is a reasonable break, and there were ice-creams on
sale from trays.

So it does still happen! but not at the multiplexes.

Regards,
Nicholas





From melclaros at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 20:34:25 2002
From: melclaros at yahoo.com (melclaros)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:34:25 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius & Casting comments in interview
In-Reply-To: <ari22f+ikq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arjg0h+ke8r@eGroups.com>


> And then, in CBBC Newsround, one of the CoS producers SPECIFICALLY
> says the actors playing Remus and Sirius should be a little older, 
to> match up Rickman.
> 

Quoth Heyman from the linked article:
"I think Ewan McGregor or Jude Law would make a good Lupin.
The only difficulty is that they are meant to be peers of Alan 
Rickman so they've got to be a similar age. "  
I am VERY relieved to hear that this is being addressed. Black, Lupin 
and Snape were at school together and their interaction starting in 
book 3 is CRUCIAL. To cast Black and Lupin with pretty boys would be 
an absolute horror. IMHO. Personally I think Ralph Fiennes might make 
a  great Lupin.


Melpomene






From BJMBriggs at zianet.com  Thu Nov 21 20:35:20 2002
From: BJMBriggs at zianet.com (stockw_98)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:35:20 -0000
Subject: About COS (Movie)
Message-ID: <arjg28+su5n@eGroups.com>

I don't know if this has been discussed here, but did you all notice 
how dark the scenes in COS were?  And I'm not talking about the night 
scenes.  This really lend itself to the darkness the movie was 
conveying.  This was clearly better than SORCERER'S STONE.  I have 
seen it 3 times and I'm going back tonight.  Clearly the filmakers 
have a winner here.  Also loved the way the Tom Riddle scene from the 
past (not in the Chamber though that was great too) was done as 
well.    Just stating my opinion.      Pam Briggs




From corgi at SFF.net  Thu Nov 21 20:55:56 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:55:56 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius & Casting comments in interview
In-Reply-To: <arjg0h+ke8r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arjh8s+e9tu@eGroups.com>

--- Melpomene wrote:
>> And then, in CBBC Newsround, one of the CoS producers SPECIFICALLY
>> says the actors playing Remus and Sirius should be a little older, 
>> to match up Rickman.
> I am VERY relieved to hear that this is being addressed. Black,
> Lupin and Snape were at school together and their interaction
> starting in book 3 is CRUCIAL. To cast Black and Lupin with
> pretty boys would be an absolute horror. IMHO. Personally I think
> Ralph Fiennes might make a  great Lupin.

That's why I took cheer from the article myself, Melpomene -- Jason 
Carter's 42.  I just hope they don't overcompensate in the other 
direction, and look at 50-something actors, and cover them with heavy 
youth makeup.  That'd be overkill, no?

Ralph Fiennes would make a great anything, really. :)  Although this 
new movie of his looks so fluffy from the ads, it really surprises me.

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
Now playing in Finland and Slovakia!




From music4piano at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 21:28:08 2002
From: music4piano at yahoo.com (Aniline Selenic)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:28:08 -0000
Subject: Sci Fi Review of CoS
Message-ID: <arjj58+j1hd@eGroups.com>

SciFi.com has written a review of CoS for those who are interested.

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/current/screen.html

The first half of the review just gives a summery of the movie, but 
the second half is pretty interesting.

--
Aniline Selenic
The Blue Moon




From siskiou at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 21 22:32:17 2002
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:32:17 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shipping in CoS Movie
In-Reply-To: <20021121173745.47743.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021121173745.47743.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <165248281286.20021121143217@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Thursday, November 21, 2002, 9:37:45 AM, myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:

> I could sense no real deep
> connection between Ron and Hermione. However, we *are*
> talking MOVIE CANON, which means a great many of the
> emotions are communicated through the actors and may
> betray their own natural preferences.

This is, of course, all in the eye of the beholder ;)

You wouldn't believe how many different interpretations have
been applied to every little nuance of the movie (or maybe
you would <g>).

A lot of them complete opposites.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net




From trinity61us at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 21 21:53:16 2002
From: trinity61us at yahoo.com (alex fox)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:53:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] a review after only one viewing
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20021119025938.0431ec20@pop.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20021121215316.30407.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com>

 
Deidre <deidre at panix.com> wrote:

<<I'm posting a review, might be longish, of my thoughts after seeing the movie once and re-reading the book over the weekend. >>>>>

<snipped review>

I nipped out for a matinee showing on Friday. Going to see it again on 
Tuesday with my movie group. I liked the film whilst watching it, but 
afterwards, began to wonder about some things. Hence a re-reading of the 
novel, and going back, and re-reading all the spoilers that I had skipped 
before the weekend.

--Alex




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 00:53:41 2002
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:53:41 -0000
Subject: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...
Message-ID: <arjv6l+90s6@eGroups.com>

Hi everyone! *waves*
I'm sure no one remember's me, after all it's been over a year since 
I was actively posting anything on HPforgrownups, but alas, alas, 
the movie and the advent of fifth book may well foreshadow my return.
That said below is my general review of CoS along with some notes 
from my second viewing. I have not read archives and I'm sure lots 
of this is reiteration, but I'm an incredibly busy lad and I just 
don't have time...so before you mutter a curse under your breath...
S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

J
U
S
T

I
N

C
A
S
E
!
--Alright, first of all I love the opening shot of the urban sprawl 
that conceals Privet Drive.  Conformity. The mundane nature of 
muggles. That one shot says a lot about both the D's and the muggle 
world in general. 
--There are a lot of unnatural pauses in this movie. It's better 
than the first, but...the Dursely's rounding on Harry to ask what 
he'll be doing is one of them.
--Dobby has a weak chin. Not much more to say. I mean it's not a 
*bad* thing I suppose...overall I quite like Dobby. 
--Harry's bedside table. The "Which Owl?/Glasses shot was really 
good to me, even if the Dursely's *should* have taken everything 
magical away from Harry. It looked good though.
--The Car is too loud. It wakes Harry up while still far in the 
distance. If it's that loud it would have disrupted the sleep of 
many more people than Harry.
--Can't decide about the exterior of the Weasley house...not what I 
pictured at all. What do you guys think?
--Love the interior though! It feels like such a *home* (if that 
makes sense)
--The rubber duck line doesn't ring true. Even though I know the 
function and Mr. Weasley doesn't it...doesn't work. I don't know 
*why* exactly, but it doesn't
--Percy's bed head...(smile)
--Since they weren't going to have Draco and Lucius in Knockturn 
Alley...which they should have done, but...the hand of glory bit is 
rather good. I jumped both times in any case.
--Hermione clashes terribly. What's with that blue sweater? (Is it 
just me?) Not to mention she flaunts the Restriction of Underage 
Wizardry and no one seems to take notice or be in the least worried.
--Lockhart! Kenneth Branagh! What delicious bits of celluloid! The 
teeth are great!
--At King's Cross it's the same attendant as in the first movie. 
Perhaps this is a silly assumption, but doubt that the same person 
would be in the exact same spot in a bustling station (which I 
imagine also has a fairly high job turnover rate, but that's 
speculation) a whole year later???
--It's terrible how they go from london to "we need to find the 
train" and they're in Scotland. Either HandR weren't very concerned 
about following the train or that's one fast flying car. (at least I 
think that bridge bit is in Scotland, having taken a train from 
King's Cross to Edinburgh only a few months ago and the landremained 
positively flat until we reach the Scottish borders...Scots, am I 
right?)
--Where are Madam Sprouts pink earmuffs...wish that detail hadn't 
been ignored. :(
--Even though it's really quick and you don't see her face NHNick 
does acknowledge Percy and Penelope walking together, but  do wish 
that wasn't it.
--It took Ron too long to get the Howler. He should've gotten in the 
next day, but there was a day of classes in between.
--Oh god! I was generally disappointed with what they did with Ron 
the entire movie, especially giving *all* his good lines to 
Hermie...but what bothered me most of all was the most mysterious 
magical object in the movie...Ron's damn robe kept changing colour 
the whole time. Black to grey black to grey. It completely 
distracted me. In the scene where they discover Ms Norris it's 
black, then it cuts to what's maybe five minutes later on the 
stairwell and it's grey...ick. This is a plain *bad* costume choice. 
I mean *why* make 500 black robes and one grey one????????????
--In Transfiguration when McGonagall tells about the chamber there 
are three houses present at leas (We see the trio and other Gryfs, 
Draco et. al, and Huf. Justin Finch Fletchly, who for some reason 
looked as though he would've gone to Eton even though it was never 
stated.) There may've been Raven.'s present too and I didn't notice. 
Anyone else? It doesn't make sense for there to be more than two 
houses in anyone class...just doesn't.
--When we see Ginny writing in the Diary and no one speaking to 
Harry and Harry saying "I'll see you in the common room"...where is 
this? Study hall perhaps?
--I know in the Christmas scene these are people leaving in the 
carriages but it's kind of random to see people leaving and then 
having a feast...just me I expect.
--I liked the mudblood scene. It was very different than the book, 
but I thought Emma handled what they gave her well. I really like 
Emma.
--Where's Ron's Detention?
(this are getting out of order and I stopped taking notes at this 
point in the movie)
--The older costumes...the ties were different, they weren't hooded 
and the sweaters were chunkier...other than that they didn't reveal 
houses of Tom or Myrtle, but that was ok (a suprise for later?) 
Myrtle's skirt was longer. interesting touch.
--Myrtle wasn't spotty! Spotty! Spotty! Spotty!
--If I'd been a kid that spider scene would've been really scary.
--The snake..why can we *sometimes* understand parseltongue and 
sometimes not? It didn't look much like a snake to me, some sort of 
Dinosaur type thing maybe, but still pretty scary.
--"Your bird may've blinded the basilisk but he can still *hear* 
you!" this is horrid. I knew I didn't like this line, and here's 
why, snakes have very weak hearing. They rely mostly on sensing heat 
and vibrations and such...I don't know if throwing that rock would 
*really* distract a snake...and I don't care to find out.
--Richard Harris pretty good! He has some really warm moments. 
(getting tired of typing, not to mention you're tired of 
reading...almost done)
--what the hell is up with this last scene? It just doesn't make 
much sense really...I mean H,H and R are really the only kids we 
even see to be good friends of hagrid...and I wanted to see everyone 
in their pyjamas so badly.
--cute with Lockhart at the end of the credits.

Overall, a good movie and sooo phenomenally better than the first. 
It's kind of like carrying all your bags around an airport and then 
checking them and just having the carry-on. The weight of problems 
(fixable problems nonetheless) is still there but it's much lighter.

Well that's about it, for now at least. Wake up, wake up! Sorry if I 
bored you all to tears, it wasn't intentional, I promise!

It's good to be back!

Scott









From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Fri Nov 22 01:03:56 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 01:03:56 -0000
Subject: Richard Harris's voice
Message-ID: <arjvps+maqp@eGroups.com>

One of the most painful things about CoS was hearing how weak 
Richard Harris's voice was, due to his ill-health.  It really was 
awful - in the last scene in his office, during Dumbledore's 
conversation with Harry, his breathing is so shallow and his voice 
so feeble, I felt as if I were watching him dying before my eyes.  I 
wonder if it might be possible to dub his voice, at least in the 
diary "flashback" scene.  In that scene, he was *supposed* to be 50 
years younger, but his voice still betrayed him, although he sounded 
stronger than elsewhere in the film.  I don't think it would be that 
hard to find an actor who could counterfeit his voice (it isn't that 
distinctive) - and since the diary scene is a little "other-
worldly", I think it wouldn't strike a listener as odd.

Wanda





From ra_1013 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 01:18:01 2002
From: ra_1013 at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:18:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ron's Robes (WAS: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...)
In-Reply-To: <arjv6l+90s6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021122011801.45464.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> J
> U
> S
> T
> 
> I
> N
> 
> C
> A
> S
> E
> !

--- Scott wrote:
> --Oh god! I was generally disappointed with what they did with Ron 
> the entire movie, especially giving *all* his good lines to 
> Hermie...but what bothered me most of all was the most mysterious 
> magical object in the movie...Ron's damn robe kept changing colour 
> the whole time. Black to grey black to grey. It completely 
> distracted me. In the scene where they discover Ms Norris it's 
> black, then it cuts to what's maybe five minutes later on the 
> stairwell and it's grey...ick. This is a plain *bad* costume choice. 
> I mean *why* make 500 black robes and one grey one????????????

I did notice Ron's robes and thought it was REALLY odd that he'd be the
only one with gray robes.  But I noticed a similarity in style between
Ron's robes and the ones Tom and Myrtle wore and thought that maybe they
were trying to show that the Weasleys were buying second-hand robes?  I
don't know why they'd suddenly show up this film and not in the first one,
but that's the best explanation I can come up with.


Andrea

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From dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 01:30:49 2002
From: dis_aliter_visum at yahoo.com (Claire)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:30:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...
In-Reply-To: <arjv6l+90s6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021122013049.19486.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Scott <insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> J
> U
> S
> T
> 
> I
> N
> 
> C
> A
> S
> E
> !
 
> --Harry's bedside table. The "Which Owl?/Glasses
> shot was really 
> good to me, even if the Dursely's *should* have
> taken everything 
> magical away from Harry. It looked good though.

Did anyone else read Volume 3 on the spine?  I may be
crazy, but when I went to see it the second time, I
thought I read that.

> --The rubber duck line doesn't ring true. Even
> though I know the 
> function and Mr. Weasley doesn't it...doesn't work.
> I don't know 
> *why* exactly, but it doesn't.

I agree, they could have made this a lot funnier. 
Seemed like a throw away line for the audience aged
3-7.

> --Where are Madam Sprouts pink earmuffs...wish that
> detail hadn't 
> been ignored. :(

Me too.

> --When we see Ginny writing in the Diary and no one
> speaking to 
> Harry and Harry saying "I'll see you in the common
> room"...where is 
> this? Study hall perhaps?

I think this is the library.  This scene came up
during a discussion of who sits next to Snape in the
great hall.  The general thinking is that this is
Madam Pince.  She is also in this "library" scene - up
at the podium.

> --I know in the Christmas scene these are people
> leaving in the 
> carriages but it's kind of random to see people
> leaving and then 
> having a feast...just me I expect.

It seemed like the same scene from the last movie. 
Maybe they just reused it?



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From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 02:33:21 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:33:21 -0000
Subject: HP refererence which made me smile
Message-ID: <ark51h+104bt@eGroups.com>

I'm a bit busy to post (and even read) right now, but thought I'd 
share this...

I was flicking through the TV channels earlier in the evening and 
fell upon "My Family", a BBC sitcom. It should be noted that the 
stars of this show are Robert Lindsay and a certain Zoe Wanamaker as 
his wife.

The scene I encountered was the family at breakfast and Robert 
Lindsay's character, serving himself cereal out of a packet, pulls 
out a freebie collectors-type card (which we don't see) from the 
packet. Inspecting it, he says: "Oh, I've got Madame Hooch!"






From lindapartin2 at cox.net  Fri Nov 22 02:31:55 2002
From: lindapartin2 at cox.net (Linda)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:31:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
References: <v04210100ba00ac4aaf1a@[65.95.88.57]>
Message-ID: <000e01c291cf$52fc00e0$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net>

Just came from the movie, think I remember most of what you need.
Hedwig's picture was on Harry's door.
I counted five tear drops.
Occum repairles (spelling way off on that one)
Son says the clock was at 6:30 ( I don't remember, maybe I should go back tommorow)
The snakes eyes were yellow
Please use these answers to check with what others have sent, in other words don't go by these answers alone.
good luck
mudblood23462
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mina-Clare Moseley 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:13 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP and the CoS Trivia Contest


  Hey,

  My local theater is holding a "Harry Potter and the Chamber of 
  Secrets" trivia contest. I've got most of the questions answered 
  already, but they're are a few which are pretty difficult to answer. 
  I was wondering anyone would be able to help me. Here's what I need 
  to know:

  ---

  What time is it in the Dursley's living room at the start of the movie?

  Whose picture is on Harry's closet door?

  Name the first spell used in the movie? (I assume this question 
  refers to human, spoken spell, as opposed to Dobby's magic)

  What colour are the snake's eyes? (I can't decide if they mean the 
  dueling club snake or the Basilisk)

  How many tears from the Phoenix does it take to heal Harry's arm?

  ---

  Thanks in advance for the help. I'm pretty sure its either a t-shirt 
  or a poster that's on the line.

  ~Mina

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From aberforth at wizardingwireless.net  Fri Nov 22 03:41:14 2002
From: aberforth at wizardingwireless.net (Dave Haber)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:41:14 -0800
Subject: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...
Message-ID: <00a301c291d9$057cf040$6401a8c0@gryffindor>

S
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> --The Car is too loud. It wakes Harry up while still far in the 
> distance. If it's that loud it would have disrupted the sleep of 
> many more people than Harry.

If Muggles can't hear the horrendously loud Knight Bus, why would they be able to hear the Weasley's Ford Anglia?

    -Dave

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From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Fri Nov 22 04:02:21 2002
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:02:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] oh please answer!!!!
References: <ark11i+hfqu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DDDAC4D.85FF639D@pacificpuma.com>

I thought this list was moderated?  Will someone PLEASE moderate
"darknezz_flower" 
I'm really tired of hearing about his urine fetish..

Jazmyn




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Fri Nov 22 04:12:03 2002
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:12:03 EST
Subject: Me 
Message-ID: <a1.3108f399.2b0f0893@aol.com>

Me too.

Sir nicholas



I thought this list was moderated?? Will someone PLEASE moderate
"darknezz_flower" 
I'm really tired of hearing about his urine fetish..

Jazmyn



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From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 04:24:01 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:24:01 -0000
Subject: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...
In-Reply-To: <arjv6l+90s6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arkbh1+8b4r@eGroups.com>

Scott wrote:

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 

> --Can't decide about the exterior of the Weasley house...not what I 
> pictured at all. What do you guys think?

Loved the house. Loved most of the designs in the film except the 
entrance to the chamber. It's too space-age looking.

Speaking of the Weasley house, the lighting outside of it is 
terrible. Why couldn't they have filmed it at an earlier hour? It 
doesn't look like early morning at all.

Another problem with the scenes in the Weasley house is Molly's 
line "there's only one place where you can buy them all: Diagon 
Alley." Must have copied it from some supermarket commercial.

> --Since they weren't going to have Draco and Lucius in Knockturn 
> Alley...which they should have done, but...the hand of glory bit is 
> rather good. I jumped both times in any case.

I am not sure about this, though. I get the feeling that Harry has 
something for hands... The Hand of Glory. Hermione's hand. Justin's 
hand. Ginny's hand... Perhaps this kid needs a therapist?

> --Hermione clashes terribly. What's with that blue sweater? (Is it 
> just me?) Not to mention she flaunts the Restriction of Underage 
> Wizardry and no one seems to take notice or be in the least worried.

This is a very unnatural scene IMO. It looks like Hermione *knows* 
Harry is coming. It'd work better if Herm just stands at the door, 
sees Harry, runs up to him and yells "Harry" to him *at the same 
time.* It's strange seeing her running all the way up to Harry and 
then starting the standard Kloves conversation--hello, Harry. Hello, 
Hagrid. Hello, Hermione. Hermione told Harry everyone's worried. But 
the next shot shows Mrs. Weasley standing in the line, seemingly more 
concerned about getting an autograph then finding Harry. Shouldn't 
they all be looking for Harry?

> --Even though it's really quick and you don't see her face NHNick 
> does acknowledge Percy and Penelope walking together, but  do wish 
> that wasn't it.

Don't quite understand the point of this scene. If Penelope wasn't 
going to be petrified, do we really need to know her? 

When Harry found the petrified cat and the teachers told the students 
to return to their houses, we hear a boy's voice telling Ravenclaws 
to follow him. Shouldn't it be Penelope? Isn't she the prefect?

> --Where's Ron's Detention?
This is one big plot hole, like the Valentine scene. It's O.K. to cut 
them. But Kloves has to make them up by having other scences where 
Harry can find out who Tom Riddle was and Ginny can find out that 
Harry has the diary. 

> --The older costumes...the ties were different, they weren't hooded 
> and the sweaters were chunkier...other than that they didn't reveal 
> houses of Tom or Myrtle, but that was ok (a suprise for later?) 
> Myrtle's skirt was longer. interesting touch.

Nice thouch with the old uniforms in general.

> --"Your bird may've blinded the basilisk but he can still *hear* 
> you!" this is horrid. I knew I didn't like this line, and here's 
> why, snakes have very weak hearing. They rely mostly on sensing 
heat 
> and vibrations and such...I don't know if throwing that rock would 
> *really* distract a snake...and I don't care to find out.

What a Jurrasic Park moment.... That snake looks like a dinasour and 
moves like....something other than a snake.

> --what the hell is up with this last scene? It just doesn't make 
> much sense really...I mean H,H and R are really the only kids we 
> even see to be good friends of hagrid...and I wanted to see 
everyone 
> in their pyjamas so badly.

I wonder how the next director is going to bring the trio back to 
their true characters. All three of them are completely out of 
character in this movie. Harry "the Lone Ranger" Potter. Ron the 
comic sidekick. Hermione the super witch. I can't stand this. How can 
CoS be "faithful" to the book when our three main characters only 
superficially resemble to their book selves? 

VJH,
who can't wait to see Snape in Granny Longbottom's dress.




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From deidre at panix.com  Fri Nov 22 05:55:07 2002
From: deidre at panix.com (Deidre)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:55:07 -0500
Subject: a link to a NY Times bit on the movie (no spoilers)
In-Reply-To: <1037934481.910.75090.m8@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021122005320.00a91ec0@pop.panix.com>

'Harry Potter' Is Still Performing Magic at the Box Office

The second film in the "Harry Potter" series opened last
weekend with numbers nearly as large as those drawn last
November by the first installment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/18/movies/18POTT.html?8mu

(You might have to register to view the article, but it's free.)

Deidre




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 06:25:37 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:25:37 -0000
Subject: CoS: New Slate Commentary
Message-ID: <arkil1+dfa0@eGroups.com>

Well, thank you very much.

Finally, I found someone who said what I could not find the words to say.

In a second more favorable commentary from Slate.com, a commentator
David Edelstein said- (in part)

"This isn't a two-hour film inflated by pretension (or contractual
fidelity) to two hours and 40 minutes; it's a four-hour film reduced
by a businesslike hack to two-thirds of its rightful length. I can't
think of a movie this long that has left me so starved for a movie."

Complete details at- 
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2074011

All of his critisizms of the film are directed at Columbus.

An interesting read.

bboy_mn






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 06:43:44 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:43:44 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius (& Casting comments in interview)
In-Reply-To: <ari22f+ikq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arkjn0+71nq@eGroups.com>

I've listen to the Jason Carter for Sirius comments for a long time.
And, as an unbiased bystanded I thought I would through my comments in.

I have very limited exposure to Carter as an actor, but this is my
impression of him. He's perfect.

He already has the long hair and beard, so it's a very natural look
for him.

He thin to start with and he also has high cheekbones which give his
cheeks a hollow appearance. Now, on a healthy well feed person these
are extremely attractive feature, but with a little make up they also
lend themselves very well to producing a gaunt stress-out starved
appearance.

He's cocky, that is, he seems to be someone who radiates
self-confidence. As Sirius was one of the best students in school,
this aura of self-confidents is important.

Next, somewhat related to confidence, dispite his somewhat rough
appearance, he seems approachable. Someone that dispite his rough,
stressed, starving scary appearance, Harry could quickly find
endearing and have trust in. While he has this 'approachable'
charisma, he also seems like someone you do not want to cross. He can
obviously switch from friendly to overpowering and scary very fast.

As far as age, Sirius, Remus, and Peter have all lead extremely
stressful lives and as commented on in the book, look old beyond their
years.

Looks like a pretty good match to me.

But then, that's just my opinion.

bboy_mn




From karen-gary at worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov 22 07:22:22 2002
From: karen-gary at worldnet.att.net (Gary Sapp & Karen J.S.)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:22:22 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius (& Casting comments in interview)
In-Reply-To: <arkjn0+71nq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arklve+p4hs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> I've listen to the Jason Carter for Sirius comments for a long time.
> And, as an unbiased bystanded I thought I would through my comments
in.... I have very limited exposure to Carter as an actor, but this is
my impression of him. He's perfect. He already has the long hair and
beard, so it's a very natural look for him.

> He thin to start with and he also has high cheekbones which give his
> cheeks a hollow appearance. Now, on a healthy well feed person these
> are extremely attractive feature, but with a little make up they
also lend themselves very well to producing a gaunt stress-out starved
> appearance.

I saw him in some commercials and he was quite gaunt looking, didn't
need makeup to look a bit haggard.  But I think he would be a better
match for Lupin, see more below....


> 
> Next, somewhat related to confidence, dispite his somewhat rough
> appearance, he seems approachable. Someone that dispite his rough,
> stressed, starving scary appearance, Harry could quickly find
> endearing and have trust in. While he has this 'approachable'
> charisma, he also seems like someone you do not want to cross. He
can obviously switch from friendly to overpowering and scary very
fast.
> 
> As far as age, Sirius, Remus, and Peter have all lead extremely
> stressful lives and as commented on in the book, look old beyond
their
> years.
> 
> Looks like a pretty good match to me.
> 
> But then, that's just my opinion.
> 
> bboy_mn

All these comments could apply to Jason as Lupin, in my opinion.  I am
a big fan of Carter and would dearly love to see him in PoA but wonder
if he could sound gruff enough to be Sirius.  I think he would be
great as a sickly Lupin, who would be hollowed out in the face as
well.

Either way, here's hoping Jason gets a shot.

Karen




From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 07:54:12 2002
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (Ellen & John Anglin)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:54:12 -0000
Subject: Ron's Robes (WAS: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...)
In-Reply-To: <20021122011801.45464.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <arknr4+ajc1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Andrea <ra_1013 at y...> wrote:
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> > 
> > S
> > P
> > A
> > C
> > E
> > 
> > J
> > U
> > S
> > T
> > 
> > I
> > N
> > 
> > C
> > A
> > S
> > E
> > !
> 
> --- Scott wrote:
> > > > magical object in the movie...Ron's damn robe kept changing 
colour 
> > the whole time. Black to grey black to grey. 
> <Snipped>
> > stairwell and it's grey...ick. This is a plain *bad* costume 
choice. 
> > I mean *why* make 500 black robes and one grey one????????????
> 
> I did notice Ron's robes and thought it was REALLY odd that he'd 
be the
> only one with gray robes.  > 
> Andrea
> 


Avid costumer speaking up here.....

Actually, tho it is distracting, it is a very <good> costume choice, 
and it was one of mu nit-picks from the first movie.

Rons robes are supposed to be second had. Worn. Ill Fitting. Tatered 
even.  We  didn't see any of this in the first movie- His robes were 
perfect and new like everyone elses.  THis may not be important in 
SS or even in COS, but by GOf it is going to be very important if 
the want to do the whole Dress robes schtick, as well as the theme 
of the Weasleys being Poor, and Ron being a bit resentful of this,

When I got my hands on the BLue Suede Calendar, I was thrilled to 
see that they were <Finally>  putting Ron in Properly Distressed 
robes!

They used Standard Theatrical Techniques for this- His Robes are 
made from Tussah Silk, which has a suitably nubby and irregular 
weave. It is what is used for beggars costumes and other raggy 
garments in the Theater.  It is floppy, and soft, and nubby, and it 
just "Reads" well as rags on the stage and to the camnera.  It is 
not a cop-out- Tussah silk is damn expensive, and Rons robes 
probably cost 2-3 times as much as the wool robes everyone else is 
wearing.

As for the color, thre are two explanations.  One is, his Robes are 
old and Faded- They have been washed and washed, and the color is 
supposed to be faded.  The other reason, which mayt or may not be 
intentional, is that Silk reflects light differently, and absorbs 
dye differently than wool.  Regardless of the exact color, wool and 
Silk fabrics look different under harsh stage and camera lighting. 
It is very hard to Dye different fibers to match under the best 
circumstances, so they probably decided to just highlight the 
difference instead.

In the scenes whre Ron's robes look black- Was it perhaps a low 
light scene?  It would be harder to see the differences in low 
light, just as it is hard to make out the subtle dark Paisleys 
Brocades and velvets that make up Lucius Malfoys costume- I do Wish 
his scenes were better lit!

Moaning Myrtles Robes are made from the same type of Silk as Rons 
Robes. Tom Riddles were not, as nearly as I was able to tell-  I 
promise to look even more closely next time.

I suspect they did hers in silk because she is a ghost, and not 
necesarily because she was poor- tho she might have been, this is a 
debateable point.  All the ghosts costumes visible in COS are 
tattered looking.  Nick's Elizabethan costume is very raveled about 
the trim, and there is a gash in his cape.  I wish we got to see 
more of the Grey lady and The Baron- I cannot comment on them from 
what I recall.

Anyway, based on Myrtle and Nick, I think they were looking for an 
old, worn and raveled look for the ghosts. 

Ellen
The Pottering Beekeeper






From frantyck at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 07:55:15 2002
From: frantyck at yahoo.com (frantyck)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:55:15 -0000
Subject: Ron's odd violence
Message-ID: <arknt3+crt5@eGroups.com>

Harry killing Quirrell in the first film, and Harry stabbing the 
diary in this film are jarring acts of deliberate violence, as 
various people pointed out. How about the bit in the CoS film, in 
the tunnel just after the roof caves in, when Ron knocks Lockhart 
unconscious with a blow to the back of the head with a chunk of 
rock? This wasn't even necessary! What's doubly disturbing is that 
Grint does it with such matter-of-fact dispatch. Yes, Ron's going to 
be unable to get to his dead or dying sister because of Lockhart's 
idiocy, but to bring oneself to pick up a rock and hit someone on 
the head with it suggests more ill-suppressed anger and violence 
than even a redhaired Ron is likely to have.

In small ways, Columbus and the actors are making the main 
characters less comprehensible. They are deforming the link between 
what we know of the characters, and the actions they take 
(motivation vs. action). Or perhaps all of this is meant as early 
intimation of the characters' "dark side." Either way, it's 
significant.

Rrishi




From Dar20 at aol.com  Fri Nov 22 14:05:01 2002
From: Dar20 at aol.com (Darlene)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:05:01 -0000
Subject: nitpicky mutterings from a long lost soul...
In-Reply-To: <arjv6l+90s6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arldid+pb99@eGroups.com>

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
> 
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
> 
> J
> U
> S
> T
> 
> I
> N
> 
> C
> A
> S
> E
> !
> --Can't decide about the exterior of the Weasley house...not what I 
> pictured at all. What do you guys think?

It was exactly what I pictured... tall and leaning.  I miss the 
gnome's though.. oh, well.  

> --The snake..why can we *sometimes* understand parseltongue and 
> sometimes not? It didn't look much like a snake to me, some sort of 
> Dinosaur type thing maybe, but still pretty scary.

Are you referring to the fact we hear English in the first and parsel 
in the second films?  I think that in the first film, we don't know 
it's parsel and neither does Harry.  He thinks he's speaking 
English.  Why confuse the audience and have subtitles?  It's not 
crucial to the first story.  It is crucial to the second story, 
though, and it also makes it seem a bit more menacing, so we 
understand everyone's fear.

Dar




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Fri Nov 22 14:13:36 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:13:36 -0000
Subject: Ron's odd violence
In-Reply-To: <arknt3+crt5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arle2g+l9c4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "frantyck" <frantyck at y...> wrote:
> Harry killing Quirrell in the first film, and Harry stabbing the 
> diary in this film are jarring acts of deliberate violence, as 
> various people pointed out. How about the bit in the CoS film, in 
> the tunnel just after the roof caves in, when Ron knocks Lockhart 
> unconscious with a blow to the back of the head with a chunk of 
> rock? This wasn't even necessary! What's doubly disturbing is that 
> Grint does it with such matter-of-fact dispatch. Yes, Ron's going 
to 
> be unable to get to his dead or dying sister because of Lockhart's 
> idiocy, but to bring oneself to pick up a rock and hit someone on 
> the head with it suggests more ill-suppressed anger and violence 
> than even a redhaired Ron is likely to have.

I don't see Ron's hitting of Lockhart as at all out of character, or 
extreme for the situation.  Regardless of his personal dislike of 
Lockhart, the man had, only moments before, faked a faint in order 
to throw Ron offguard and grab his wand.  There was no reason in the 
world why Ron should take another chance with Lockhart, and every 
reason to put him out of commission before he could pull another 
similar stunt.  It probably makes MORE sense than Ron just kicking 
Lockhart in the book, though it's possible he was just getting 
Lockhart to move out of the way of the rock fall.
> 
> In small ways, Columbus and the actors are making the main 
> characters less comprehensible. They are deforming the link 
between 
> what we know of the characters, and the actions they take 
> (motivation vs. action). Or perhaps all of this is meant as early 
> intimation of the characters' "dark side." Either way, it's 
> significant.
> 
I don't think Columbus is at all off-message when he creates these 
scenes of violence.  The violence is all in JKR's books, and more 
than can be shown onscreen.  She's not a Quaker - she doesn't shrink 
from violence, or disapprove of it when it's necessary.  I think a 
big theme throughout her books is that it's not enough just to be 
right, or good, or even innocent (like Colin Diggory).  You have to 
fight against evil, and she shows her heroes literally "fighting", 
not simply arguing or demonstrating that their enemies are wrong.  
There is lots of blood and guts in the Harry Potter books, and I 
suspect there's going to be more and more before the series reaches 
its end.

Wanda





From anglinsbees at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 14:15:03 2002
From: anglinsbees at yahoo.com (Ellen & John Anglin)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:15:03 -0000
Subject: Ron's odd violence
In-Reply-To: <arknt3+crt5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arle57+rhqs@eGroups.com>

I agree- I found that bit of so called "Humor" disturbing.  Whapping 
someone with a rock is <not> funny, and I hate to think of kids 
emulating this casual act.  

I'm not a big anti violence crusader, but when something like this 
is treated so casually, it bothers me- Ron and Gilderoy may be 
fictional, but they are not cartoon characters.

Ellen

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "frantyck" <frantyck at y...> wrote:
> Harry killing Quirrell in the first film, and Harry stabbing the 
> diary in this film are jarring acts of deliberate violence, as 
> various people pointed out. How about the bit in the CoS film, in 
> the tunnel just after the roof caves in, when Ron knocks Lockhart 
> unconscious with a blow to the back of the head with a chunk of 
> rock? This wasn't even necessary! What's doubly disturbing is that 
> Grint does it with such matter-of-fact dispatch. Yes, Ron's going 
to 
> be unable to get to his dead or dying sister because of Lockhart's 
> idiocy, but to bring oneself to pick up a rock and hit someone on 
> the head with it suggests more ill-suppressed anger and violence 
> than even a redhaired Ron is likely to have.
> 
> In small ways, Columbus and the actors are making the main 
> characters less comprehensible. They are deforming the link 
between 
> what we know of the characters, and the actions they take 
> (motivation vs. action). Or perhaps all of this is meant as early 
> intimation of the characters' "dark side." Either way, it's 
> significant.
> 
> Rrishi




From voldemort at tut.by  Fri Nov 22 14:41:55 2002
From: voldemort at tut.by (Sasha Special)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:41:55 +0200
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Ron's odd violence
In-Reply-To: <arle2g+l9c4@eGroups.com>
References: <arle2g+l9c4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4923065496.20021122164155@tut.by>

Friday, November 22, 2002, 4:13:36 PM, Wanda wrote:

WS> I don't see Ron's hitting of Lockhart as at all out of
WS> character, or extreme for the situation. Regardless of
WS> his personal dislike of Lockhart, the man had, only
WS> moments before, faked a faint in order to throw Ron
WS> offguard and grab his wand. There was no reason in the
WS> world why Ron should take another chance with Lockhart,
WS> and every reason to put him out of commission before he
WS> could pull another similar stunt. It probably makes MORE
WS> sense than Ron just kicking Lockhart in the book, though
WS> it's possible he was just getting Lockhart to move out
WS> of the way of the rock fall.

  First, there's a big difference between kicking someone
without meaning to really hurt and hitting his head with a
rock trying to knock him down. Is Ron an expert in knocking
men down by head-hitting? But if not, then he really risks
killing him on the spot, and he should know that.

  Second, this hit on the head looks too like finishing of
an already defeated opponent. IMO an unsufficiently
justified act of violence and completely out of character
for Ron.

WS> I think a big theme throughout her books is that it's
WS> not enough just to be right, or good, or even innocent
WS> (like Colin Diggory). You have to fight against evil,
WS> and she shows her heroes literally "fighting", not
WS> simply arguing or demonstrating that their enemies are
WS> wrong.

  But have you ever seen a character in the book hitting an
unarmed person? Oh, surely you did. But was any of those
characters portrayed to be on the good side? No comments.

  In short, one more reason in support of my Not Very Humble
Opinion of "Movie Sucks". :)

Sincerely yours,
Alexander Lomski.




From eleri at aracnet.com  Fri Nov 22 17:46:30 2002
From: eleri at aracnet.com (CB)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:46:30 -0800
Subject: this is too nifty.
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20021122094201.00d5e710@mail.aracnet.com>

My mom's been researching our family history for about 6 years now, and 
just made a break into a older section of the family. She emailed me this 
morning with a new tidbit:

>How is this for cool
>
>Hogwarts exterior is really Alnwick castle home of your  grandfather about 
>30 generations back.
>
>home.freeuk.com/webbuk2/hp/th-alnwick.jpg


Charlene, who saw CoS opening night, but isn't saying much because she has 
almost no nitpicks, so doesn't feel like getting into a flame war.




From jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu  Fri Nov 22 19:00:22 2002
From: jprescot at ka.reg.uci.edu (Jennifer Prescott)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:00:22 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] this is too nifty.
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20021122094201.00d5e710@mail.aracnet.com>
Message-ID: <3DDE7EC6.C166BB9F@ka.reg.uci.edu>

Charlene wrote:

> Charlene, who saw CoS opening night, but isn't saying much because she has
> almost no nitpicks, so doesn't feel like getting into a flame war.

Well, Charlene -- I'm with you there.  I quite enjoyed the movie.  I have a few complaints, but overall feel that
the film makes a great companion to my reading of the books.  The movie was funny and dark, just like the books.  I
liked the portrayal of the characters and and plan on seeing it again.
I guess I don't see the point in making the movie into something negative.  I thought it was great.





From smiller_92407 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 19:25:33 2002
From: smiller_92407 at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:25:33 -0000
Subject: Ron's odd violence
In-Reply-To: <arle57+rhqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arm0bd+10c3u@eGroups.com>

Ellen wrote:
> I agree- I found that bit of so called "Humor" disturbing.  
Whapping 
> someone with a rock is <not> funny, and I hate to think of kids 
> emulating this casual act.  
> 
> I'm not a big anti violence crusader, but when something like this 
> is treated so casually, it bothers me- Ron and Gilderoy may be 
> fictional, but they are not cartoon characters.
> 
> Ellen
> 

I agree, Ellen. What I thought when I saw this was not only was it 
unnecessary at the time - Gilderoy was no longer a threat - but was 
foolish. Ron knew what happens when his wand is used to throw a curse 
against someone and have it rebound. His slug curse against Draco 
should still be fresh in his mind. There could be no doubt that 
Gilderoy was under the full effects of a memory charm. Furthermore, 
Gilderoy was a full grown man, cheerfully cooperative, and could have 
been useful in moving heavy rocks. Knocking him out means that Ron 
now is likely to have to carry a man's body in addition to whatever 
might have happened in the chamber. Not funny, and not smart. And we 
lost the great lines of the book. "I'm a teacher? Not a very good 
one, I bet."

Constance Vigilance




From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 19:26:13 2002
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:26:13 -0000
Subject: Ron's Robes, Violence, Car, Parseltounge...
Message-ID: <arm0cl+dbdj@eGroups.com>

--I like this second hand robe idea. But, BUT, his robes are clearly 
black in the Pixie scene (with strong lighting), and clearly grey in 
the mudblood scene (strong lighting as well). Argh! Why don't Fred, 
George, and Ginny have second hand robes as well. (Percy, being a 
prefect had new robes of course.)

Isn't it ironic that the silk used to make robes look old is really 
more expensive? ;)

--I didn't like this violent bit either. (I'm not a big slapstick 
person at all.) This was one of the times people in the theatre with 
me all laughed, and silly me didn't really understand why. (No of 
course I *understood* why, just didn't agree.) Lockhart's memory was 
gone, he certainly wasn't a threat. If Ron has pushed him, that'd be 
one thing, but to hit him with a *rock*, on the *head* no less, 
seemed like a desperate grasp for a funny moment that just didn't 
seem funny or in character at all. 
(also Ron believes at this point that his sister is likely dead. I 
would be so completely distraught...)

--Right about the car and the Knight bus. Muggles can't hear the 
night bus, but it is a completely magical invention right. The FFA 
is just a muggle object that has been enchanted to fly. There's a 
small difference there, but a difference nonetheless. Hmmm. Of 
course there's nothing to suggest that Arthur didn't enchant the 
car's noise level as well. If so it's only yet another of the 
laundry list of enchantments enacted upon the flying ford.  I wonder 
what other things our favourite car can do that we've yet to 
discover...

--I meant about parseltounge that when the snake speaks in the wall 
it's in English, albeit with a slithery sound but still-, and when 
Harry or Tom speak it we hear another language all 
together...shouldn't their's be all slithery english too...I suppose 
this is a plot point that takes its ambiguity from the book, but 
it's not as confusing on paper since we can't *hear* it.

Why isn't Neville suspended when Hermione immobilises all the pixies?

Scott 
(me)






From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 19:55:39 2002
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:55:39 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <arm0cl+dbdj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arm23r+n7pt@eGroups.com>

I just wrote:
"I meant about parseltounge that when the snake speaks in the wall 
it's in English, albeit with a slithery sound but still-, and when 
Harry or Tom speak it we hear another language all 
together...shouldn't their's be all slithery english too...I suppose 
this is a plot point that takes its ambiguity from the book, but  
it's not as confusing on paper since we can't *hear* it."

--Let me expound upon this point a bit more. There's a problem with 
speaking Parselmouth, I think, that's present in both the books and 
the movie (but makes more sense whe on screen). Someone's probably 
talked about this before, somewhere, sometime, but I'm sayin' it 
again. ;)

If a person comes up to me and starts speaking French I will 
understand him or her, but I'm still going to hear them in French. 
If I want to know what they said in English then *I* have to 
translate it in my mind. If I speak French to someone I will *know* 
what I'm saying English (and French) but all I'm going to *hear* is 
the French. 

Basically when we speak or hear a language we speak and hear that 
language. That's incredibly obvious but an important point, because 
Parselmouth has a completely different set of circumstances. When 
Harry *hears* parselmouth he hears English. The snake is speaking in 
English; hence, he doesn't know that it's a snake, just a voice.  
But when Harry speaks *to* a snake it comes out in a voice that he 
cannot understand (if he can hear it at all, which perhaps he 
can't), although he knows *what* he's saying. Right? I'm getting a 
bit confused, the logistics don't make a whole lot of sense. 

Also if a French person isn't around I can still speak French, not 
so with Harry and Parseltounge . It just happens. Harry doesn't try 
to speak parseltoungue and can't just start speaking it 
randomly...so it's inherently tied not only the ability to speak it, 
but to the prescence of snakes as well...

Someone made another point about in the first/book movie Harry isn't 
*aware* what he's speaking. Is he still speaking it? The short 
answer is yes, but then I still can't decide whether Harry know's 
he's speaking it, or if it just seems that he did (like in the 
bathroom opening the chamber portal- it opened so he must've.)...now 
I'm really lost and I think I might've lost you guys too!

Help me out on this eh? 

Scott
who really wishes that they'd just done subtitles. Oy!






From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 22 20:21:40 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:21:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] RE: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <arm23r+n7pt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021122202140.1969.qmail@web20804.mail.yahoo.com>

It seems to me that Columbus could have very simply
avoided the Parseltongue confusion by depicting the
scene from two perspectives:

* Harry's -- where we are seeing and hearing what he's
seeing and hearing. Thus, we hear him speaking in
regular English, telling the snake to get away from
Justin and we understand Harry's experience of the
situation. It makes sense this way because everytime
Harry speaks Parseltongue he has no idea he's speaking
in anything other than his native English tongue. He's
completely unaware that he's doing anything different
or exceptional and, as he is, in many ways, the eyes
and the ears of the movie (though not nearly as much
as the book), we should experience at least part of
this scene as Harry experiences it. 

* Everyone else's -- where we are seeing and hearing
what the students are seeing and hearing. Thus, we
hear Harry speaking an eerie, completely foriegn,
incomprehesible language, which appears to be goading
the snake toward Justin, and we understand how
everyone around Harry experienced the situation.

It only would have required a few simple cuts back and
forth and I think the disparity between Harry's
perception of his actions and everyone else's
perception of them would be a bit more apparent. Ron
and Hermione's shock and Harry's bewilderment would
suddenly seem believable and justified. I understood
what was going on because I read the books, but I
can't say I'm certain that non-readers wouldn't have
been rather confused by the entire thing. 

-Jessica 



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From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Nov 23 02:29:44 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:29:44 -0000
Subject: Nimbus - 2003: Unveiling the Secrets of Submissions
Message-ID: <armp6o+6hsp@eGroups.com>

As the weeks continue to fly by, the January 15 submission deadline 
for Nimbus ? 2003 is quickly approaching.  The Programming Committee 
wants * your * submissions.  For those who haven't heard already,
Nimbus is the Harry Potter Symposium that will be held in Orlando, FL
from July 17-20, 2003.

To help make the submissions process a bit easier for everyone, we 
have created a Submissions Guide/ FAQ to be used with the Nimbus Call 
for Papers.  The Submissions Guide defines terms and answers 
questions regarding both submissions and presentations.

If submission is something you have been considering, please give the 
Submissions Guide a read through.  We look forward to reading all the 
great proposals that come our way.


The Submissions Guide can be found at: 
http://www.hp2003.org/cfp/cfpfaq2.html.


If you have any questions which are not covered in the Submissions 
Guide, contact the Programming Committee at HPProg at yahoogroups.com. 


Magically Yours,

Ebony and Penny
Co-Chasers, Programming
Team Nimbus ? 2003, A Harry Potter Symposium
www.hp2003.org




From corgi at SFF.net  Sat Nov 23 03:19:46 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:19:46 -0000
Subject: Jason as Sirius (& Casting comments in interview)
In-Reply-To: <arklve+p4hs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arms4i+sp0n@eGroups.com>

--- Karen commented:
> --- Steve wrote:
>> I've listen to the Jason Carter for Sirius comments for a long
>> time.  And... in.... very limited exposure to Carter as an actor,
>> ...my impression of him. He's perfect.
> ...I am a big fan of Carter and would dearly love to see him in
> PoA...
> Either way, here's hoping Jason gets a shot.

<happy happy Dog wiggle>

Ooooo, that is SOOO good to read. :D  May I hope that you've written 
letters of support as well (pleasepleaseplease)?

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/
Now appearing in Google!




From minaclare at sympatico.ca  Sat Nov 23 03:19:26 2002
From: minaclare at sympatico.ca (Mina-Clare Moseley)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 22:19:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP and the CoS Trivia Contest
In-Reply-To: <000e01c291cf$52fc00e0$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net>
References: <v04210100ba00ac4aaf1a@[65.95.88.57]>
 <000e01c291cf$52fc00e0$0200a8c0@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <v04210100ba04a394d33c@[65.95.81.118]>

Hi guys!

I went and saw the movie again today! Thanks for everyone who sent me 
answers for the trivia quiz. I used my own peepers and compared them 
against what's in the movie.

For interests sake, here's what I got:

What time is it in the Dursley's living room at the start of the movie?

It's 7:55. I double-checked.

Whose picture is on Harry's closet door?

Hedwig and the Gryffindor Coat-of-Arms.

Name the first spell used in the movie?

Occulus Reparo

What colour are the snake's eyes?

The dueling club snake: Black
The Basilisk: Yellow

How many tears from the Phoenix does it take to heal Harry's arm?

Five.

Really, a big thanks to everyone. I was able to submit my entry. 
Here's hoping. I'm hoping they're giving away the wallscrolls they 
have up in the theater. I would just love to put the Harry one on my 
door.

~Mina



From waterdogn at aol.com  Sat Nov 23 03:38:37 2002
From: waterdogn at aol.com (waterdogn)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:38:37 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <arm23r+n7pt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <armt7t+cclt@eGroups.com>

...And here's another thought about parseltongue that's been rattling 
around my head:

Much is made of Harry being the only one who can hear the basilisk in 
the walls because he alone can speak parseltongue. But as we see in 
the dueling club and Moaning Myrtle's bathroom, when *Harry* speaks 
parseltongue we *can* hear him. We just can't understand him. Why 
can't other people at least hear weird sounds they can't understand 
when the basilisk is traveling through the pipes? Why can only Harry 
hear anything at all? The basilisk certainly makes enough noise - 
delightfully creepy!

Inquisitively yours,

Robin Nicholls
Waterdogn @ aol.com
Southern California





From carmenharms at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 05:04:34 2002
From: carmenharms at yahoo.com (snazzzybird)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 05:04:34 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <20021122202140.1969.qmail@web20804.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <arn292+kkvi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Moonstruck <myphilosophy2001 at y...> wrote:
> It seems to me that Columbus could have very simply
> avoided the Parseltongue confusion by depicting the
> scene from two perspectives:
> * Harry's -- where we are seeing and hearing what he's
> seeing and hearing. 
<snip>  
> * Everyone else's -- where we are seeing and hearing
> what the students are seeing and hearing. 
<snip> 
> It only would have required a few simple cuts back and
> forth and I think the disparity between Harry's
> perception of his actions and everyone else's
> perception of them would be a bit more apparent. Ron
> and Hermione's shock and Harry's bewilderment would
> suddenly seem believable and justified. I understood
> what was going on because I read the books, but I
> can't say I'm certain that non-readers wouldn't have
> been rather confused by the entire thing. 
> -Jessica 
> 
Now me:
The parseltongue scenes bothered me too.  Before I saw the movie I'd 
been wondering how they'd show them, and what I came up with was 
showing at least part of the first parseltongue scene twice.  The 
first time it would be all Harry's point of view.  He'd just be 
speaking English -- "Get away from him!" or whatever it is he says to 
the snake (don't have the book at hand) -- and all the students 
reacting in horror.  Then afterwards, when Ron and Hermione are 
telling him what they heard, we see part of the scene from their POV, 
with Harry speaking Parseltongue.  From then on, we'd only need to 
hear the English version.  They could have left in the part where 
Harry's trying to open the chamber and asks Ron if what he'd just 
said was in Parseltongue or English.

Just my 2 cents...

--snazzzybird, who liked the movie despite the fact that it was 
definitely Snape-deprived.





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 14:01:48 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:01:48 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <armt7t+cclt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aro1oc+7tas@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "waterdogn" <waterdogn at a...> wrote:
> ...And here's another thought about parseltongue that's been rattling 
> around my head:
> 
> Much is made of Harry being the only one who can hear the basilisk ... 
> ... ... Why can't other people at least hear weird sounds they can't 
> understand  when the basilisk is traveling through the pipes? Why can 
> only Harry hear anything at all? The basilisk certainly makes enough 
> noise -  delightfully creepy!
> 
> Inquisitively yours,
> 
> Robin Nicholls


bboy_mn with my best guess/bad memory comment:

We don't know that other people can't hear the vocal noise the
basilisk is making. All we know is that they don't hear a voice.

An old castle like this is probably full of odd noises; wind whistling
and goaning, boards creaking, Stairways moving, ghosts, Potlergiests,
etc.... So, with no way to draw a corrilation between this hissing
sound and a snake, they have no reason to believe it's anything other
than the numerous noises that the castle constantly makes. Their mind
just puts it into the background with all the other clutter, and they
don't consciously hear it. 

Harry on the other hand speaks this language, and hears it very
clearly. Analogy: You are in a foreign country where you have NO
knowledge of the language. So all these people speaking all around you
soon become background noise. If someone does speak directly to you,
you probably won't hear it because you've tuned it all out. Now
picture yourself walking down a street in this country, and suddenly
hearing a bit of conversation in your native language. It is most
definitely going to stand out from all this tuned out language. 

The same thing happens with Harry, Ron and Hermione have turned it out
as meaningless noise, but Harry, figuratively speaking, has just heard
a bit of his native language.

Just some thoughts.

bboy_mn




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 14:09:06 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:09:06 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <arn292+kkvi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aro262+qmc1@eGroups.com>

I'm not quoting the original author because my comment (I hope) is
going to be very brief. 

Other people have said what I'm about to say but I'm going to *try*
and say it in the most concise possible way.

When Harry hears this vocal sound, he heard language and understands.

When we hear Harry make this same vocal sound, we don't understand it
as anything but noise.

Harry hears language; to our ears, Harry makes noise.

And that is exactly how the movie portrayed it.

In the book, nobody hears anything, JKR explains it to us in narative.

bboy_mn




From metal_tiara at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 23 16:42:56 2002
From: metal_tiara at hotmail.com (sophineclaire)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:42:56 -0000
Subject: Rats in the Chamber of Secrets...
Message-ID: <arob6g+jja5@eGroups.com>

I finally got to see the movie last night.
Go me!.

WHen Harry was running through the Chamber of Secrets, he looks down 
and sees a couple of rats scurrying besides him and I wondered, 
could one of them be Scabbers? Surely any and all rats would be 
devoured by the Basilisk! (well, almost all anyways). WHy would 
Columbus do such a thing??

But if you look ahead to book 4, one might assume that Pettigrew and 
voldemort discussed the various was to return V to a human body.
V mentions a diary he had in school ( so not only he'd have a human 
body, but the young body of his former self) but Pettigrew is given 
the ever so delightful task of gelivering the bad news that the 
diary is no more, destroyed by the rotten Potter.

" All the more lucky for you Wormtail" Voldemort hisses " Instead of 
losing your life, you will only have to lose your hand. Tis a pity 
though, I was rather handsome in my younger days..." 




From virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 17:08:10 2002
From: virtualworldofhp at yahoo.com (Megan)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:08:10 -0000
Subject: POA script-writing
Message-ID: <aroclq+dk76@eGroups.com>

I know we're still reeling from COS still, but I was re-reading POA
and got to wondering just HOW Kloves would cut it.  Here's what my
version would be...granted, this is was HARD because I had to cut out
some of my favorite stuff for sake of plot and proper development. 
It's still probably too long of a script, but I did the best I could
given the length and extreme complexity of POA.  Feel free to add your
own lists of cuts!

Out:
- Knight Bus (Harry just shows up at TLC)
- Fudge (have Arthur say the important stuff)
- most of TLC chapter
- Magical Menagerie (Hermione can just have gotten Crookshanks over
the summer)
- train sequence (Harry faints in carriage instead OR doesn't faint
until Quidditch match, just not as much foreshadowing)
Potions lesson (dialogue with Malfoy somewhere else, Great Hall probably)
- Halloween feast (Flight of the Fat Lady still there, but it can just
be on a normal day)
- Great Hall sleeping
- pre-Quidditch talks (training sessions, that is)
- Professor Lupin returns to class (they can just see him in the Great
Hall or something--or Harry can speak to him in the hall)
- shorten Marauder's Map and Hogsmeade sequence/dialogue
- Harry angry at Hagrid
- Christmas feast
- shorten Patronus scene
- cut straight to Scabber's fake death
- (this really pains me, but) Gryffindor vs. Ravenclaw
- Hagrid confronts Harry & Ron
- Hermione's threat to Harry going to Hogsmeade (Ron can just make mad
remarks about her beforehand and she isn't with them next time Harry
is there)
- Harry runs back to Hogwarts after splattering Malfoy
- shorten Snape's confrontation
- cut out stuff about Buckbeak's appeal (first decision can be final)
& them researching it
- Hermione slaps Malfoy, quits Divination, and misses Cheering Charms
- other exams (just show Divination)
- shorten dialogue in Hagrid's Hut before the Shrieking Shack scene
- cut out some of the extra Black-rage
- Snape & Fudge's dialogue (Harry wakes up to urgent Dumbledore)
- some of the future-self scene dialogue (speed it up)
- anything inbetween Snape's charging Harry after Black is saved &
Lupin leaving
- then cut straight to Ron gets Pig

Namely, those are whole scenes I would cut, but there's lots of little
stuff along the way.  I know some of this stuff is slightly important
to the storyline, but we've got to sacrifice if we want to see POA
done right, correct?

Comments?

-Megan




From itzregina at hanson.net  Sat Nov 23 17:12:32 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:12:32 -0000
Subject: Will COS have "legs"
Message-ID: <arocu0+37uu@eGroups.com>

 It made 10.8 last night (Friday) OUCH!  I was hoping for better legs 
because the theaters around here, central CA, booted PS/SS out right 
after Christmas.  Maybe Saturday and Sundays numbers will be up.  
I'll be there Sunday with 6 other poeple who have not see it yet.:-)

Gina




From frantyck at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 18:10:52 2002
From: frantyck at yahoo.com (frantyck)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:10:52 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltongue...
In-Reply-To: <aro262+qmc1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arogbc+9pdo@eGroups.com>

Steve <bboy_mn at y...> wrote (about Parseltongue):

> When Harry hears this vocal sound, he heard language and 
understands.
> 
> When we hear Harry make this same vocal sound, we don't understand 
it as anything but noise.
> 
> Harry hears language; to our ears, Harry makes noise.
> 
> And that is exactly how the movie portrayed it.


Well, by positioning the camera differently, it might have been 
possible to illustrate the same point: who hears what. The problem 
with the shots of Harry speaking Parseltongue during the Duelling 
Club scene is that they're either close shots of his face, seen from 
below -- apparently the angle from which the snake sees him -- or 
shots of the snake reacting to the Parseltongue, seen from the 
position and eye-level of Harry himself. This is quite misleading, 
because it implies a closed circuit between the two.

If, instead, the incomprehensible version of Parseltongue had been 
spoken in a wide shot, looking up towards Harry on the platform from 
the eye-level of the other students, then it might have been clearer 
who was hearing what. This could have been followed (or preceded) by 
a close-up of Harry's face speaking the comprehensible hissy-
English, for himself and for the snake. Columbus has no particular 
favour for sustained camera shots of conversation, after all, so 
there's no oddness to switching back and forth.

Rrishi




From Ali at zymurgy.org  Sat Nov 23 18:54:13 2002
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 18:54:13 -0000
Subject: Will COS have "legs"
In-Reply-To: <arocu0+37uu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aroisl+mkpa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Regina" <itzregina at h...> wrote:
>  It made 10.8 last night (Friday) OUCH!  I was hoping for better 
legs because the theaters around here, central CA, booted PS/SS out 
right after Christmas.  Maybe Saturday and Sundays numbers will be 
up.  I'll be there Sunday with 6 other poeple who have not see it 
yet.:-)

What are "legs". I take it it's something to do with the number of 
people viewing it, but what does it mean, and how does 10.8 rate?

Since the opening weekend, I've no idea how it's been doing here in 
Britain. It will be battling against James Bond and later LOTR, so it 
has got it's work cut out. Today though, friends failed to see it at 
any of the afternoon showings in our local cinema as they were all 
sold out. Not bad I thought.

Ali




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 20:29:42 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 20:29:42 -0000
Subject: Will COS have "legs"
In-Reply-To: <aroisl+mkpa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aroofm+5siq@eGroups.com>

Ali wrote:

<snip>

> What are "legs". I take it it's something to do with the number of 
> people viewing it, but what does it mean, and how does 10.8 rate?

"Legs" isn't a question of numbers per se, but of longevity. For 
example, My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Spiderman both had legs 
Stateside earlier this year, maintaining strong audiences well into 
their run. The first HP movie had an astonishing start by pulling in 
just as large audiences over its second weekend as it did its first 
last year, but I expect that this won't be repeated this year due to 
the new Bond's release yesterday. 10.8 million bucks in North America 
yesterday certainly doesn't bode well in that regard (for instance, 
Spiderman did twice that on its second Friday).

If you want to see some interesing HP US box office comparisons, 
check out the graph that Bruce at http://www.the-numbers.com 
maintains (scroll down the front page, click on the graph for a 
bigger and more legible version).

> Since the opening weekend, I've no idea how it's been doing here in 
> Britain. It will be battling against James Bond and later LOTR, so
> it has got it's work cut out. Today though, friends failed to see 
> it at any of the afternoon showings in our local cinema as they 
> were all sold out. Not bad I thought.

I spent most of today in my local multiplex (I ended up seeing, inter 
alia, Die Another Day [DAD] in thirds, in reverse order - long 
story!). DAD was showing in three of its four largest auditoria, and 
the four shows I looked in on  were completely full. CoS was showing 
in the equal largest auditorium (Screen 1 and Screen 2 are the same 
size; 1 was showing CoS, 2 was showing DAD) and three smaller ones, 
and the four shows I looked in on were equally full. So it seems that 
in that cinema at least, Bond and HP were pretty much neck-and-neck. 

The queues for tickets were interesting.I witnessed several groups of 
teenagers - those which had girl majorities seemd like they were 
going to see HP, whilst boys were more interested in Bond, and 
several of the boys were even arguing how crap and childish HP was 
(despite quite clearly knowing nothing about the film or story!).


To be perfectly honest, despite being an absolutely HUGE Bond fan, I 
regret that I don't have any plans to see this one again... Which 
isn't quite the case with CoS, which should be getting my attendance 
for the err... tenth... time tomorrow. :-)

BTW for info on CoS UK box office, check out 
http://www.screendaily.com/story.asp?storyid=10319







From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 21:00:42 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:00:42 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltongue...
In-Reply-To: <arogbc+9pdo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aroq9q+q3pr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "frantyck" <frantyck at y...> wrote:
> Steve <bboy_mn at y...> wrote (about Parseltongue):
> 
> > When Harry hears this vocal sound, he heard language and 
> understands.
> > 
> > When we hear Harry make this same vocal sound, we don't understand 
> it as anything but noise.
> > 
> > Harry hears language; to our ears, Harry makes noise.
> > 
> > And that is exactly how the movie portrayed it.
> 
> 
> Well, by positioning the camera differently, it might have been 
> possible to illustrate the same point: who hears what. ...edited...
> 
> If, instead, the incomprehensible version of Parseltongue had been 
> spoken in a wide shot, looking up towards Harry on the platform from 
> the eye-level of the other students, then it might have been clearer 
> who was hearing what. This could have been followed (or preceded) by 
> a close-up of Harry's face speaking the comprehensible hissy-
> English, for himself and for the snake.  ...edited...
> 
> Rrishi

Well, now we are into a slightly different conversation. 

I didn't really like the way the parsletongue/Dueling scene was shot
either. First, if Harry is really calling the snake off, his first
speech in parsletongue should have been more aggressive. It shouldn't
have been ....ssstttooppp....; it should have been ...SSSTOP!...
followed by softer speech. If a preson was speaking English, they
would frist attract your attention by say "STOP!" then "Stop. Stop
doing that." Actually, I think Harry said in an interview he said
something like 'you, him, leave' or something close to that. 

I also think he should have moved toward the snake faster. In the
book, he zooms across the room as if he was on a dolly, as if he was
on wheel, and confronts the snake. The also makes it easier for Justin
to confuse Harry's intent.

I also very much agree there should have been some long shots. 

As far as the voice/speech, maybe something like Harry speaking
parsletongue with a background voice over implying his thoughts or his
intent.

It's going to be interesting to see what a new director can do with
this material.

I still stand by what I said, but I also agree that even though I
think it makes logical sense, I don't think it was executed very well.

bboy_mn





From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Sat Nov 23 21:14:13 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:14:13 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter Page a Day Calendar
References: <ari22f+ikq1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <017601c29335$4680ef80$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

For UK listers who do not have access to a shop selling the Chamber of
Secrets Page a Day Calendar, is it available at www.amazon.co.uk for 7.40
plus postage.  It is worth incorporating with ordering other stuff or
combining with other HP fans or book lovers, if you can but otherwise at
least its available to everyone, even with postage costs.

Secondly, I would appreciate it if someone could confirm the availability of
the Panini Sticker Book in the U.S. www.Paninigroup.com has not been updated
since the Dumbledore was a lad....)

Felicia





From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 21:21:09 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:21:09 -0000
Subject: Future Movies: How about Narative Voice Over?
Message-ID: <arorg5+a2i0@eGroups.com>

In the process of discussing the Parsletongue issue, a new thought
came to me. 

The problem with these movies is that there is SOOOOOO much movie and
so little time. One reviewer commented that the movie was a 4 hour
story crammed into 2min 40sec.

I think the plot could be moved massive amounts in a short time if
Harry was doing a narative voice over as if he were recalling these
events. 

Something happens (whatever) the next scene is the trio walking to
class talking about the event, except we can hear what they are
saying. Harry/Daniel is explaining things in a voice over. This give
him the opportunity to explain a lot of the plot and various peoples
emotions in just a few seconds of walking down the hall. When he
finishes the narations, the scene switches to realtime and we hear the
trio reciting the line that are approprate for that scene. 

Now I said when I explained it above that Harry would narate like he
was recalling events. I only meant that as an illustration to help you
understand what I meant. In reality, his narration would have to be
more present tense.

To fill out the intro scene with the Dursleys, Harry could have been
hin that same shot reading a book, but we could have heard his thought
as he recalled the summer with no letters and no contact from his
friends and how he was worried, etc.... In few moments of naratative
tremendous ground could be covered. He could even have introduce the
Durley's party, then Hedwig makes noise, Vernon calls him down etc...

The same at the Weaselys, a few seconds of voice over could have told
us a lot about how Harry feels about the Weasley. He could have even
recounted seeing Ron's room while they all sat around eating
breakfast, them broke into realtime converstation about the purposes
of a muggle rubber duck etc....

You rarely ever see this techique used any more in movies, but I think
in this case where huge quantities of plot details have to be filled
in short time, it might work. After all, this is a story told from
Harry perspective. His thought in voice over would very much give us
that perspective. Think of the TV show 'The Wonder Years' with Fred
Savage. That show made excellent use of voice over to show us Kevin's
(Fred Savage) feelings and thoughts, and wasn't the least bit
intrusive or distacting.

Just a thought I had.

bboy_mn




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 24 00:48:14 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:48:14 -0000
Subject: More on Parseltounge...
In-Reply-To: <aro262+qmc1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arp7ke+lkdj@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

<snip>

> In the book, nobody hears anything, JKR explains it to us in 
> narative.

Sure, nobody else hears the Basilisk in the walls (not even hissing), 
and I don't have a problem with that.

However, the rest of your statement is slightly disingenuous, as ALL 
dialogue in the books is from a Harry POV. Portraying Parseltongue 
was always going to be problem in the movie, as we're obviously not 
inside Harry's head. However, as the narrative and characters *are* 
all portrayed from that perspective, it wouldn't be entirely 
unreasonable to have Harry's perspective on Parseltongue, especially 
as we the audience can hear (and understand) the voices, whereas none 
of the other characters can.

Although I originally said that I had a problem with doing 
Parseltongue as such in the movie, I've slightly changed my opinion. 
I've realised (upon re-reading the book and later re-viewing the 
movie) that my problem isn't with having Harry not speak English, but 
the way in which the Parseltongue sequences are portrayed. There's a 
musical crescendo, a pause, and then Harry starts hissing. This gives 
entirely the wrong impression, and undermines his statement to Ron & 
Hermione that he wasn't aware that he was doing anything unusual.

Which, ultimately, simply leaves the non-book-reading viewers 
considerably perplexed. And I'm not just saying that as a 
hypothetical assumption. Having seen and later discussed the movie in 
(anal) detail with my sister, her husband and their sons (6 and 3), 
NONE of them got the point. Whilst it's not in the slightest bit 
strange that a 3-year-old wouldn't understand, and whilst I might 
perhaps over-estimate my six-year old nephew's intelligence, neither 
my sister or her hubby are stupid or cinema-illiterate.




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 24 01:34:25 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:34:25 -0000
Subject: Future Movies: How about Narative Voice Over?
In-Reply-To: <arorg5+a2i0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arpab1+qhoh@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote:

> I think the plot could be moved massive amounts in a short time if
> Harry was doing a narative voice over as if he were recalling these
> events. 

<snip>

I've thought about that as well, but I have two reservations. 
Firstly, narrative voice-overs (which are a lot more common than your 
post implied, actually) only make sense in really intimate movies, 
when we *have* to get inside the main character's head. Your example 
of "The Wonder Years" - which, I admit, I never watched much, but 
enough to appreciate your point - is very appropriate to this. Each 
episode was a "life lesson" and required the voice-over to establish 
both the predicament and the lesson learned at the end (and how it 
applied to Kevin's later life). From memory, there was very little 
plot exposition in those moments.

Strangely enough, Cuaron himself used narration to terrific effect 
in "Great Expectations" (a film about which I disagree with most film 
critics, as I thought it was wonderful), but again, it was used to 
describe the main protagonist's thoughts, or adult recollections of 
particular scenes, rather than plot exposition. 

My second objection is that it encourages lazy film-making and lazy 
acting. To be perfectly honest, most of what is *needed* for a HP 
plot *needs* to be conveyed visually or in dialogue - a narration 
would be distracting. It certainly don't think it would be quicker.

It's partially for these reasons that voice-overs are somewhat rarer 
than they used to be - modern audiences expect, and modern film-
makers can deliver, much more on screen than used to be the case. As 
the cliche goes, "a picture tells a thousand words" - you just need 
to have the right people delivering the right picture. In Cuaron's 
case, I think the likelihood is much better. That is, if he gets to 
do it with his usual cinematographer, Emmanuel Lubezki.

The narrative problems with CoS were largely down to the script 
itself and the direction, rather than any lack of time in which to 
tell the story. It's not about not having enough time, it's about 
using it wisely.

I don't really see a narration adding anything to PoA which can't be 
told with the right pictures and words of dialogue, as long as the 
crew and cast are up to speed, and Kloves is discouraged from the 
hatchet job he did on the first two movies. 

One thing which REALLY, REALLY annoyed me is the segue from the 
Weasleys' breakfast table to the Floo scene to Diagon Alley. That 
Julie Walters delivered her "there's only place we can get this lot - 
Diagon Alley" line with such a complete lack of conviction only helps 
to underline how much I hate the narrative sequence. I'd have had Ron 
get a letter from Hermione in which she worries about not having 
heard from Harry all summer and suggests they all meet in D.A. the 
next week to do their schoool shopping. Apart from being a better 
link, it also introduces Hermione, so there's no need for the later 
typically AWFUL Klovesish "Hello Hagrid, Hello Harry, Hello 
Hermione". Hagrid gets Harry out of Knockturn Alley and Hermione's 
already inside Flourish & Blotts with her parents and the Weasleys.
(BTW I'm not suggesting excising the Floo powder sequence).  






From bethz1 at rcn.com  Sun Nov 24 04:33:59 2002
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in a Bottle)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:33:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Future Movies: How about Narative Voice Over?
References: <arorg5+a2i0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001201c29372$b5151dd0$6401a8c0@BethsComp>

My sister and I thought about the same thing after seeing the Sorcerer's
Stone.  A lot of the translation from the book to the movie is lost, because
we feel that people who haven't read the book don't understand why certain
people react certain ways, because so much of the book is explained through
Harry's narration.

That probably made no sense, or I probably worded what I was trying to say
wrong, but I just didn't want to reply "I agree", but I had to reply,
because I was so happy to read that my sister and I weren't the only ones
that felt that way.

Beth

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <bboy_mn at yahoo.com>
>
> I think the plot could be moved massive amounts in a short time if
> Harry was doing a narative voice over as if he were recalling these
> events.






From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 24 13:52:03 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:52:03 -0000
Subject: PS/SS (long)
Message-ID: <arqli3+cfqg@eGroups.com>

Hi all, 

I haven't been on this list much, but have haunted the main list for 
2 years.  I'm looking forward to some movie discussion.

This may seem a bit belated, but I really wanted to write my thoughts 
about PS/SS before going on to CS.  I'll post on that in a bit. 

As preface:  I am definitely, shamelessly, of the the-more-faithful-
the-better school.  I don't understand critics who say the movie 
was "too faithful" (especially if they think there was a big 
Halloween party in PS/SS . . . I wonder how the Time reviewer who 
noted that "absence" knows how faithful the movie is if he doesn't 
know the books very well?).  I knew that lots of great lines and 
scenes would be cut from sheer necessity?my main concerns were:  did 
they get the characters right?  did they get the feel of the 
wizarding world--the biggest "character" in the books--right? and did 
they honor the themes of the book?  I thought they did a bang-up job 
on (a) and especially (b); I have more complaints about (c), though 
overall I still thought it was terrific.  I watched it 4 times in the 
theater, which I can't really afford, and 3 or 4 more times since 
then on video.

THE CHARACTERS  

Dumbledore, well, this has been said a thousand times already, hasn't 
it?  Part of it was the screenwriting and editing, I'm sure, which 
took out a lot of the essence of the man (would it have killed them 
to put in *one* line showing that the man is *funny*?  How long does 
it take to say "Nitwit!  Blubber!  Oddment!  Tweak!"?).  If I were 
Richard Harris and read only that script, not having read the books, 
I wouldn't know he was supposed to be whimsical, funny, and extremely 
energetic.  OTOH, there was probably a lot of stuff that they shot 
and then cut, so I bet he did know a lot more about Dumbledore than 
we see on screen.  Also, there is *no* excuse for the way he 
delivered that earwax line.  If I were Chris Columbus, by the fifth 
unemotional take I'd have sent someone out for some real BBEFBs and 
slipped Harris an earwax one.  *That* would've gotten a reaction out 
of him.

Harry:  Harry, Harry, Harry.  I thought DR did one hell of a job, and 
not just "for a kid of 11/12."  He caught what seems to me the 
essence of Harry's character at this point in the books:  he's not 
very expressive, but is chock-full of opinions, wonder, and 
feelings.  Not an easy thing to portray, but he does.  One perfect 
example:  when Hermione's just come into the compartment and is being 
Hermione, and Ron gives him a "can you *believe* this girl?" look, 
the look he gives back sums up Harry at that early stage?he's 
restrained, even subdued, so he isn't one to roll his eyes in 
response, but you can tell he's thinking the same thing.  
Certain little things are really fantastic, like the way he puts the 
wands down in Ollivander's shop.  Very funny, in that character-based 
humor way so dear to this viewer's heart.  And who knew John Hurt was 
such a master of coming timing? (I can't WAIT to see him again and 
hope he is in GF, even though I know they'll need to slash it to bits 
and he probably won't be.  JH as Ollivander just goes to show that 
someone can look nothing like one's mental image of the character and 
still be perfect.)

One cartoonish moment can really leave a sour taste in the mouth, and 
that's my experience with the Dursleys.  Really they were great 
overall?the one moment that seemed OTT was the scowl Vernon aims at 
Harry and Hagrid while Petunia is relating the true story of Lily.  
You could certainly argue that the Dursleys are supposed to be 
cartoonish, but I like for characters to be real enough that I can 
believe in them?OTT moments disrupt my suspension of disbelief.

Hagrid was perfect except for a lapse I really disliked:  in the 
book, he gives Dudley a pig's tail in a fit of anger; in the book, it 
seems much more deliberate, hence cruel.  I don't see Hagrid that way 
and don't like it.  He is hot-tempered, but not mean.

Almost everyone else was spot on.  Rickman was born to play Snape 
(and even got through that dumb line about good luck with the 
Quidditch match?couldn't they find a better way to tell us there's a 
match coming?).  Emma Watson is still way too much of a beauty to 
play Hermione--who would care that she's a know-it-all?  Every boy in 
the 1st year would have a crush on her--but she was pretty good 
despite her looks :-P.  Rupert Grint was mostly terrific, best when 
he wasn't being asked to be super-serious (but my complaints about 
the chess scene follow).  He was a master of subtlety in his reaction 
to "I've got presents!"  I had serious trouble understanding Seamus 
(after 7 or more viewings, I still don't know what he's saying in 
that water-to-rum spell).  

I know they had to take out a gazillion things to make everything 
fit, and for the most part I'll let them go, but one thing that 
wouldn't have taken one extra second and would've created character 
is having Ron wince whenever Harry says "Voldemort."  While I'm on 
the subject of things that would've taken no time, why did they 
change "Greek" to "Irish"?  Hagrid got a three-headed dog off a 
*Greek* chappie.  That's FUNNY.  That's a joke for the adults, or for 
the kids who've read Greek mythology.  That's the kind of thing that 
evokes images of an Ancient Greek in a toga smuggling Cerberus's 
puppies into a pub and makes me laugh my patootie off.  AND it's one 
syllable less. They could've preserved the humor and saved themselves 
a valuable 1/10 of a second.  Grrr.

THE WIZARDING WORLD

Whenever I'm asked to explain why I love these books so much, I find 
myself stuttering about Kwikspel and Peeves and witches griping about 
the price of potions ingredients.  It's all the little details of 
life in the wizarding world that make it so real and so enviable.  
(If they keep doing this, I'm going to trade in my job, house, and US 
citizenship for a life at Hogwarts.  At the end of the CS movie, when 
the camera is pulling back from a night-lit Hogwarts, a woman in back 
of me said to her friend, "Isn't it beautiful?"  I had to restrain 
myself from turning around and gushing, "Don't you want to move there 
*right now*?")  So I was just utterly delighted with all the details 
of the movie:  the floating candles, the talking paintings, the dumb-
looking troll, the Golden Snitch, etc.  And then there were the ones 
not in canon, like the way goblins' teeth fit together, and the 
appearance of the torches, and the Hogwarts hog statue, and the 
hilarious muttering noises the Bludgers make, the owl mobile in 
Harry's room at Godric's Hollow, that got the spirit of JKR 
completely.  With those details, I really felt the moviemakers 
understood what it meant to make a cinematic equivalent of the HP 
books (and I didn't see the competition, so I can't really judge, but 
it seems a crime the art directors didn't land an Oscar).

As the CS release approached, I started hearing a lot of stuff about 
how it was going to be a better movie because it was "more cinematic" 
a book.  If this isn't just the director playing up #2 so as to 
forestall "It wasn't as good as #1" criticisms?he must know that a 
lot of fans consider CS the weakest book?then I gather what this 
means is that so much of PS is about Harry getting to know the WW; in 
a way the "plot" doesn't get started `til midway through the movie. 
Well, that's codswallop, in my opinion.  In terms of the books, I 
actually do like CS marginally better than PS, but the fact that 
Harry doesn't even start classes `til halfway through PS doesn't 
bother me at all.  Come on, raise your hand if you really find it 
dull to read about Nov. 1 '81, his early life with the Dursleys, the 
letters from no one, his discovery of the truth, Diagon Alley, and 
the first trip to Hogwarts.  Yeah, I didn't think so.  I loved every 
second when I read it, and I loved watching it unfold on the screen.  
The moviemakers took their sweet time letting us discover the WW 
along with Harry, and didn't worry about the fact that the Voldemort 
plot then had to fit into only half the movie?it fit fine into half 
the book, didn't it?  And they took the time that scenes like the 
Mirror of Erised demand.  Which brings me to


THEMES

OK.  Once again, they were mostly very faithful to the book and on-
target.  But there are a few thematic things that deviated 
unnecessarily from the books, and not in a way that improved things 
(while on the subject of improving things, though, they really fixed 
the "why the heck are there broomsticks there" irk in the flying keys 
scene.  Well done, Mr. Kloves).  One:  too much emphasis on James and 
Lily.  Yes, Harry's sadness about not knowing his parents is central 
to the book, but by having Voldemort tempt him with being able to 
join them, the screenwriter makes it a clich?.  I almost groaned when 
I got to that.  Two:  another clich? is the speech from Ron about how 
Harry has to be the one to go on.  Of COURSE Harry has to be the one 
to go on?but JKR accomplished this without the big speech, and it was 
much more effective, IMO, not to mention allowing Ron to just be 
brave and self-sacrificing instead of trying to manipulate a Grand 
Plan.  (Now, Harry's big speech about how he's going to find the 
Stone, that I wish they'd kept.  It always gives me the shivers.)  

Three:  I know they were trying to get rid of the Dumbledore deus ex 
machina, or something, but I really really disliked the way they 
changed the confrontation with Quirrell.  In the book, Harry hurts 
him terribly, but it's sheer self-defense (and it is Voldemort's 
leaving Quirrell that kills him, not anything Harry does to him).  In 
the movie, after Harry sees that he's making Quirrell crumble to 
bits, he still grabs onto him.  It's morally justifiable, because Q 
is still trying to kill him, but just the same, it makes Harry into a 
killer at age 11.  This is serious.  Two books later, Harry will 
refuse to kill Sirius and he'll keep Sirius and Remus from killing 
Peter, and it'll be important.  I suspect that Harry is going to kill 
someone sooner or later, and that it's going to be very, very hard on 
him.  JKR takes death seriously, even when almost anyone (even JKR 
herself, maybe) would say the person deserves it.  Hollywood does not 
take death very seriously, and it shows in this alteration.  Sure, 
make our hero kill someone, it's par for the course!  It won't, you 
know, *upset* him or make him question his own actions or make him 
question his messianic role in the WW or anything. 

OTHER BITS

-I loved the way the chess match was shot like a battle scene, great 
music, whole deal (and I say that as someone who is not a John 
Williams fan).  I didn't like the proliferation of "make my day" 
lines from Ron ("and then we play")?again, JKR wrote it in a much 
more understated, and IMO effective, way.  It's really emotionally 
powerful as written?Ron isn't setting out to be a big hero, he's just 
doing what needs to be done, and because he has such courage and 
integrity, he does something really heroic.  I really like that, and 
wish the moviemakers saw the power in it that I do.

-Hedwig was incredibly beautiful.

-Another nice note about the music?see, I can find friendly things to 
say about John "Sledgehammer" Williams if I try?I liked the Erised 
theme.  I don't know what it's called, but we hear it in the mirror 
scene and then in the little interlude with Hedwig that follows.

-Two things I hated about the music:  the stinger on Draco and 
Harry's non-handshake.  Bad, bad, bad.  We KNOW it's a key moment; 
please refrain from shoving it down our throats.  And the Christmas-
morning music?it was just too whimsical, sweet, and oh-so-Christmas-y 
for my blood.  Humbug!

-What the heck was that "it's in your blood" crap about?  James was 
not a Seeker, first of all (I know, I know, I'm opening a can of 
worms here.  Look at `em go!).  Second, they could have accomplished 
exactly what needs to be accomplished with this line by leaving it 
the way JKR wrote it?McGonagall telling Harry his dad was an 
excellent Quidditch player.  The one thing that does come out of the 
way they do it is the exchange:  "She knows more about you than you 
do."  "Who doesn't?"  Uncanonical, but I like.

-Much has been made of the poor SFX with Quidditch.  They were just 
fine to me; what bothered me was that in Harry's reaction shots, he 
didn't look like he was moving.  I picture him flying around at all 
times while looking for the Snitch and watching the action, not just 
hanging in the air cheering or booing.  That wasn't a SFX issue, 
however.  I'm not sure what the standing-on-the-broomstick thing was 
all about?it made Harry look like a hotdogger.  Ick.  I didn't like 
it that Quidditch was so rough, either.  I know it's a physical 
sport, but doesn't Hooch ever read the rules on cobbing?

-Firenze was the weakest effect.  It's hard to get human gestures 
right in CGI.

-In general they really did a bang-up job condensing.  Even though 
like all fans, I wished they could've kept every single line, I was 
nodding at every cut, "yep, that was a good choice"?they kept what 
was essential and made it all hold together.

I have about 50,000 other opinions about the movie, but this is quite 
enough.  Thanks for listening, and I'd love to hear responses.

Amy Z

Nimbus is coming! Visit www.hp2003.org for more information 
on how to join hundreds of HP fans in Orlando.





From manda at qx.net  Mon Nov 25 02:36:15 2002
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:36:15 -0800
Subject: How much did I miss?
Message-ID: <3DE11C1F.31374.3A5E68@localhost>

I've had a horrible time trying to watch the movie at my local, small town theater. The first time 
I went, last week, they turned on the house lights while I was still watching the credits, waiting 
for the 'extra' at the end. Today part of the movie was cut out! Right after Ron opened the 
Howler (before it said anything) it moved straight into the Lockhart/Pixies scene. I don't think 
that anyone else in the theater noticed it, but I had of course seen it before. My best guess is 
that the projector (probably automated) switched to the next reel too early. I plan on writing a 
complaint to the theater, but first I want to know if there is another scene between the Howler 
and the Pixies or did I just miss that one part? I can't remember exactly.

Manda
seriously miffed but eventually enjoyed the movie MUCH more the second time around
--
http://www.MandaMia.com




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 25 00:57:54 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:57:54 -0000
Subject: Schoolboy names
Message-ID: <arrsii+5iqa@eGroups.com>

Perhaps someone who knows more about English public schools could 
explain the different levels of "naming" in the movie.  It seems to 
be that friends call each other by their first names (Harry, Ron and 
Hermione) and they call their "enemies" or rivals by their last name 
alone (Malfoy-Potter, Wood-Flint, etc.).  I thought it was a bit of 
a jarring moment in the Great Hall when Ron's Howler arrived, and 
Seamus said, "Look everyone!  Weasley's got a Howler!"  Wouldn't it 
have sounded a bit mean to call Ron "Weasley" at such a moment?  Was 
Seamus showing a bit of malice, or was it just an American director 
not appreciating the nuances?  I recall in SS, when they were 
walking through the Dark Forest, Harry called Malfoy "Draco", which 
stirred a little comment, though I could see more of an excuse for 
that:  Harry is not as mean as Draco, it could be that addressing 
someone in a hostile manner is not natural to him.  But I can't 
think of any reason for Seamus to do it.

The teachers are a bit different - they usually use 'Mr.' or 'Miss' 
when addressing a student, though I noticed that McGonagall 
addressed Oliver Wood as "Wood", and it was obviously a token of 
familiarity, not a put-down.  Snape starts off with 'Mr. Potter' in 
SS, but by CoS I think he was almost always using just the last name 
for all the students, including Malfoy.

Wanda





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 02:59:05 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:59:05 -0000
Subject: Schoolboy names
In-Reply-To: <arrsii+5iqa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ars3lp+s580@eGroups.com>

Wanda Sherratt wrote:
> Perhaps someone who knows more about English public schools could 
> explain the different levels of "naming" in the movie.  It seems to 
> be that friends call each other by their first names (Harry, Ron 
> and Hermione) and they call their "enemies" or rivals by their last 
> name alone (Malfoy-Potter, Wood-Flint, etc.).  I thought it was a 
> bit of a jarring moment in the Great Hall when Ron's Howler 
> arrived, and Seamus said, "Look everyone!  Weasley's got a 
> Howler!"  Wouldn't it have sounded a bit mean to call Ron "Weasley" 
> at such a moment?  Was Seamus showing a bit of malice, or was it 
> just an American director not appreciating the nuances?  

<snip>

OK, I've not been to a British public school (although I know a 
couple of people who have), but I did attend a boarding school. The 
usual practice in our school was for all pupils to refer to each 
other by surname alone (the main reason was that *teachers* 
exclusively referred to pupils by surname alone). To the extent that 
a couple of years ago, I was involved in trying to arrange a school 
reunion, and found it very difficult to remember most people's first 
names, although their surnames came to me very easily.

It must be said that it was an all-boys school, so terminology was a 
bit rougher than it might have been otherwise. The fact that at 
Hogwarts, most teachers address most pupils as "Miss ..." or "Mr ..." 
(though occasionally *refer* to them by surname alone) is a nod in 
that direction; were the school single-sex, probably such a nicety 
would be dropped.

As for the nuance, strangely enough, I see it very much as the 
screenwriter and director *understanding* the nuance perfectly, 
rather than the opposite. Seamus might address Ron by first name, but 
it would be perfectly natural to refer to him by surname alone, 
especially in those circumstances ("malice" is perhaps too stong a 
word; "deliberately causing discomfort" would probably be better). 
Then again, perhaps it wasn't in the script, but the actor felt it 
more natural that way.

A case in point: three of my schoolmates remain among my closest 
friends over twenty years later and of those, two continue to address 
and refer to me by surname alone. One of them lived fairly close to 
me for some time later on, and I saw him very frequently. I also got 
to know his girlfriend (now wife of almost 8 years) very well, and 
even *she* has always referred to and addressed me by surname alone - 
he told her a fair bit about me during the few years they knew each 
other before she met me and she finds it difficult to think of me 
otherwise. There's no disrespect intended, nor is there any taken. 






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 03:13:10 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 03:13:10 -0000
Subject: How much did I miss?
In-Reply-To: <3DE11C1F.31374.3A5E68@localhost>
Message-ID: <ars4g6+bedb@eGroups.com>

Amanda Pressnell wrote:

> I want to know if there is another scene between the Howler 
> and the Pixies or did I just miss that one part? I can't remember 
> exactly.

Nope, the film cuts from the Howler to DADA. Depending on whereabouts 
in DADA the film resumed, you lost between about 2 and 5 minutes, 
which is far too little for a reel (which are usually no less than 
about 20 mins, but sometimes a lot more, depending on the cinema's 
equipment). 

Perhaps the reel change comes at the beginning of the DADA scene (I 
never paid enough attention to notice where the reel changes might 
be, but it must be about 40 mins into the movie, so it makes sense), 
and the end of the previous reel was damaged so they cut off a few 
yards of film...






From timregan at microsoft.com  Mon Nov 25 06:26:54 2002
From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:26:54 -0000
Subject: Snape and the Potters
Message-ID: <arsfre+l7si@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

--- Over on HPfGU "melclaros" wrote in message 47073:
> As for the 3rd--My suspicion here was pretty
> firmly cemented when TMTSNBN was being hyped
> as having a scene specifically written by
> JKR herself and that she was ADAMANT about
> how it should be filmed and that she was
> PARTICULARLY adamant that JAMES NOT BE
> SHOWN!

Does anyone have a link to a report or a cast interview where this 
stipulation of Rowling's is mentioned? It seems an important one.


Cheers,

Dumbledad.


PS In this context TMTSNBM is an acronym for the first Harry Potter 
movie.





From amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com  Mon Nov 25 09:27:41 2002
From: amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com (faura2002)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:27:41 -0000
Subject: How much did I miss?
In-Reply-To: <3DE11C1F.31374.3A5E68@localhost>
Message-ID: <arsqed+e3pd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Pressnell" <manda at q...> wrote:
I've had a horrible time trying to watch the movie at my local, small 
town theater. The first time I went, last week, they turned on the 
house lights while I was still watching the credits, waiting for 
the 'extra' at the end. 

Me, too. My friends and I entered the theater when the previous 
showing was about to end, hoping to catch the surprise after the end 
credits [we were watching the last full show and afraid the cinema 
might cut it] but we never got to see it because it was cut! likewise 
with the last show! So now I'm scouting for a better cinema, hmmmp!


faura




From amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com  Mon Nov 25 09:31:18 2002
From: amidalaskywalker at pinoymail.com (faura2002)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:31:18 -0000
Subject: Sirius
Message-ID: <arsql6+9e1r@eGroups.com>

Has anybody watched the new James Bond movie "Die Another Day"? How 
about Pierce Brosnan for Sirius? ;) 

Well, at least, he did looked all haggard and dirty, with the long 
hair, beard and all after undergoing torture from the NoKors. 

Just wishful thinking...hehe

faura






From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 12:26:15 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:26:15 -0000
Subject: How much did I miss?
In-Reply-To: <arsqed+e3pd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <art4t7+ujqc@eGroups.com>

faura2002 wrote:

<snip>

> Me, too. My friends and I entered the theater when the previous 
> showing was about to end, hoping to catch the surprise after the 
end 
> credits [we were watching the last full show and afraid the cinema 
> might cut it] but we never got to see it because it was cut! 
likewise 
> with the last show! So now I'm scouting for a better cinema, hmmmp!

I would suggest you contact Warner Brothers (see their main website). 
I don't know what the situation is in America, but here in the UK it 
is against distribution contracts for a cinema to cut *anything* from 
a film without the distributor's knowledge. Of course, accidents 
happen and equipment can fail, but what you're describing sounds like 
a deliberate action by the cinema. 

Yeah, I know most cinemas accept that most people don't stay for the 
credits, and I've yet to watch as film at any cinema without the 
lights being brought up before they end, but the cinema is 
contractually obliged to show them, even if nobody's left to watch 
them. I'm one of these film fans who usually stay until the end of 
the credits every time and I'm almost invariably the only person left 
in the cinema, and on occasion I've had reason to talk to management 
about it.

A couple of side notes: 

At one of the CoS showings I attended, I left the auditorium at the 
beginning of the credits to take a desperate child to the toilet, and 
had a chat with the cinema manager. He jokingly told me that news 
about the "extra scene" was clearly getting around, as audiences were 
increasingly staying until the end. :-)

I wish Columbus & Co took a lesson from the new Bond film: despite 
having just as long a list for the end credits, they took about a 
third of the time of the CoS ones due to the way they were designed. 
Even I found sitting through the CoS (and PS/SS) ones utterly tedious 
and there really was no reason for them to last *quite* that long.





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 12:28:37 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:28:37 -0000
Subject: Sirius
In-Reply-To: <arsql6+9e1r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <art51l+flo3@eGroups.com>

faura2002 wrote:
> Has anybody watched the new James Bond movie "Die Another Day"? How 
> about Pierce Brosnan for Sirius? ;) 
> 
> Well, at least, he did looked all haggard and dirty, with the long 
> hair, beard and all after undergoing torture from the NoKors. 
> 
> Just wishful thinking...hehe

Urghh.

Nope, totally the wrong type. Besides, Brosnan would be far too 
expensive.





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 12:38:51 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:38:51 -0000
Subject: Snape and the Potters
In-Reply-To: <arsfre+l7si@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <art5kr+tvsd@eGroups.com>

Tim Regan wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> --- Over on HPfGU "melclaros" wrote in message 47073:
> > As for the 3rd--My suspicion here was pretty
> > firmly cemented when TMTSNBN was being hyped
> > as having a scene specifically written by
> > JKR herself and that she was ADAMANT about
> > how it should be filmed and that she was
> > PARTICULARLY adamant that JAMES NOT BE
> > SHOWN!
> 
> Does anyone have a link to a report or a cast interview where this 
> stipulation of Rowling's is mentioned? It seems an important one.

I have seen absolutely nothing as detailed as that. During the 
immediate pre-movie hype, it was widely touted that JKR had written 
*a* new scene for the movie. It was later confirmed (by Columbus, 
IIRC) that it was the Godric's Hollow one, but he did not go into any 
such detail. All he said was that JKR had told them how to film it. 
I've seen nothing indicating what she had actually indicated, and 
this is the first time I've seen *anyone* claim that JKR 
was "adamant" about *anything* in particular!

(I shall shortly post a similar comment in reply to the original post 
on the main list as well.)





From vheggie at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 13:30:08 2002
From: vheggie at yahoo.com (Vanessa)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:30:08 -0000
Subject: possible spoilers: for those who watched hte "whole" movie....
Message-ID: <art8l0+qs3m@eGroups.com>

No idea if this needs spoilering...but, just in case:

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

T
H
I
N
G
Y

I've been avoiding this list until I had a chance to see the movie 
(the temptation to read spoilers is too great...), and hence I had no 
idea there was an 'extra scene'.  Can anyone let me know what it was?

Thanks.




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 13:54:22 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:54:22 -0000
Subject: possible spoilers: for those who watched hte "whole" movie....
In-Reply-To: <art8l0+qs3m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arta2e+82b3@eGroups.com>

Vanessa wrote:
> No idea if this needs spoilering...but, just in case:
 
 S
 P
 O
 I
 L
 E
 R
 
 T
 H
 I
 N
 G
 Y
 
> I've been avoiding this list until I had a chance to see the movie 
> (the temptation to read spoilers is too great...), and hence I had
> no idea there was an 'extra scene'.  Can anyone let me know what it 
> was?

Flourish and Blotts' storefront displaying Gilderoy Lockhart's latest 
opus, entitled "Who Am I?" with a wonderful magical moving picture of 
him in a straightjacket on the cover.




From wsherratt3338 at rogers.com  Mon Nov 25 14:35:36 2002
From: wsherratt3338 at rogers.com (Wanda Sherratt)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:35:36 -0000
Subject: Post-credits scene
In-Reply-To: <art4t7+ujqc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <artcfo+dgvs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> I don't know what the situation is in America, but here in the UK 
it 
> is against distribution contracts for a cinema to cut *anything* 
from 
> a film without the distributor's knowledge. Of course, accidents 
> happen and equipment can fail, but what you're describing sounds 
like 
> a deliberate action by the cinema. 
> 
> Yeah, I know most cinemas accept that most people don't stay for 
the 
> credits, and I've yet to watch as film at any cinema without the 
> lights being brought up before they end, but the cinema is 
> contractually obliged to show them, even if nobody's left to watch 
> them. 

My daughter went to see it yesterday, and she reported that she and 
her friend were basically thrown out of the theatre while the 
credits were running, because the cleaning staff had moved in and 
wanted to sweep up, so they weren't able to see the final scene.  I 
think that's outrageous, but young people are easier to intimidate - 
they'd better not try that on ME the next time I go to see it at the 
same theatre.






From divaclv at aol.com  Mon Nov 25 16:22:43 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:22:43 -0000
Subject: Snape and the Potters
In-Reply-To: <art5kr+tvsd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <artioj+m66b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> Tim Regan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > --- Over on HPfGU "melclaros" wrote in message 47073:
> > > As for the 3rd--My suspicion here was pretty
> > > firmly cemented when TMTSNBN was being hyped
> > > as having a scene specifically written by
> > > JKR herself and that she was ADAMANT about
> > > how it should be filmed and that she was
> > > PARTICULARLY adamant that JAMES NOT BE
> > > SHOWN!
>
> I have seen absolutely nothing as detailed as that. During the 
> immediate pre-movie hype, it was widely touted that JKR had written 
> *a* new scene for the movie. It was later confirmed (by Columbus, 
> IIRC) that it was the Godric's Hollow one, but he did not go into 
any 
> such detail. All he said was that JKR had told them how to film it. 

This is the flashback where Hagrid's telling Harry how his parents 
died, yes?  Because even if James isn't physically present in that 
scene, there's a very strong implication that he's there: the first 
time we see Lily, if you read her lips she's screaming his name.

~Christi




From tinajgr at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 16:48:48 2002
From: tinajgr at yahoo.com (Tina)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:48:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Snape and the Potters
In-Reply-To: <1038227667.626.6723.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021125164848.18027.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com>


 HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:

Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:26:54 -0000
   From: "Tim Regan"
Subject: Re: Snape and the Potters

Hi All,

--- Over on HPfGU "melclaros" wrote in message 47073:
> As for the 3rd--My suspicion here was pretty
> firmly cemented when TMTSNBN was being hyped
> as having a scene specifically written by
> JKR herself and that she was ADAMANT about
> how it should be filmed and that she was
> PARTICULARLY adamant that JAMES NOT BE
> SHOWN!

Does anyone have a link to a report or a cast interview where this stipulation of Rowling's is mentioned? It seems an important one.

Cheers,

Dumbledad.

PS In this context TMTSNBM is an acronym for the first Harry Potter 
movie.

::ears perk up:: Really? When and where did she say this? And why did she not want James shown in the Mirror? Have the producers spoiled it by letting us see what James looked like in the movie? What was her reaction and how did she deal with the fact that James was shown despite her "PARTICULARLY adamant" feelings that James not be shown?

::quickly rereads post:: Oh wait, you meant that scene that was originally in the book, but then scrapped, but then brought back in the movie? Hang on... Why did she not want James shown in that scene if it was okay for James to be shown in the Mirror?

~Tina



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From pennylin at swbell.net  Mon Nov 25 19:04:33 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:04:33 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Do not post entire articles!
Message-ID: <arts81+r14m@eGroups.com>

Hi --

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From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 19:14:57 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:14:57 -0000
Subject: CoS Movie Review from UGO.com
In-Reply-To: <arts81+r14m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <artsrh+c5lm@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone,

I found this interesting article on the website UGO.com. It finally 
posted its review of CoS... I believe the target audience for this 
website is late teen-late twenties male men, hence some of the odd-
ball language. If you're not into Malfoy bashing (to put it simply), 
then perhaps don't read it.

I posted the link below... 

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/harrypotter_chamber/review
.asp

--Fyre Wood, who is upset at the comments made about Malfoy.




From fyredriftwood at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 19:16:25 2002
From: fyredriftwood at yahoo.com (Fyre Wood)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:16:25 -0000
Subject: CoS Movie Review from UGO.com
In-Reply-To: <arts81+r14m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <artsu9+cvfe@eGroups.com>

Hey everyone,

I found this interesting article on the website UGO.com. It finally 
posted its review of CoS... I believe the target audience for this 
website is late teen-late twenties male men, hence some of the odd-
ball language. If you're not into Malfoy bashing (to put it simply), 
then perhaps don't read it.

I posted the link below... 

http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmTv/features/harrypotter_chamber/review
.asp

--Fyre Wood, who is upset at the comments made about Malfoy.




From corgi at SFF.net  Mon Nov 25 20:24:00 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:24:00 -0000
Subject: Sirius
In-Reply-To: <art51l+flo3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <aru0t0+tok2@eGroups.com>

--- GulPlum wrote:
> faura2002 wrote:
>> about Pierce Brosnan for Sirius? ;) 
> Urghh.

<?>
 
> Nope, totally the wrong type. Besides, Brosnan would be far too 
> expensive.

How do you mean 'wrong type'?  Because -- aside from the fact that, 
yes, he would be too expensive, and too high-profile to boot, that 
ectomorphic Black-Irish look seems to suit Sirius really well.

Hence, the solution that is Jason Carter (who's probably more Scots 
than Irish, but still -- Celt is Celt.)

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/




From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 25 22:01:54 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:01:54 -0000
Subject: movie spell
Message-ID: <aru6ki+ki5u@eGroups.com>

After my third viewing today, I was wondering if Chris Columbus and 
crew consulted JKR on the spell "arania exime"?  Has anyone read 
where they might have talked about it with JKR?  or did they come up 
with that spell on their own?  Just wondering.....

Alora




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 02:12:59 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 02:12:59 -0000
Subject: movie spell
In-Reply-To: <aru6ki+ki5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arulbb+85uq@eGroups.com>

alora wrote:
> After my third viewing today, I was wondering if Chris Columbus and 
> crew consulted JKR on the spell "arania exime"?  Has anyone read 
> where they might have talked about it with JKR?  or did they come 
> up with that spell on their own?  Just wondering.....

It's not been mentioned anywhere I've seen, and I doubt we'll ever 
know, short of a direct question to JKR or Steve Kloves. Considering 
JKR had script approval, either Kloves came up with the various 
spells (see my msg #4244 for a more complete list) or asked for her 
input. I suspect even they wouldn't remember who came up with which 
spells at this stage.

BTW, to be pedantic, it's "aranEa exime". :-) 





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 02:33:59 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 02:33:59 -0000
Subject: Sirius
In-Reply-To: <aru0t0+tok2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arumin+rkp2@eGroups.com>

Corgi wrote:
> --- GulPlum wrote:
> > faura2002 wrote:
> >> about Pierce Brosnan for Sirius? ;) 
> > Urghh.
> 
> <?>

Don't you recognise onomatopeia when you see it? :-) I really, 
really, do not like the idea. :-)

> > Nope, totally the wrong type. Besides, Brosnan would be far too 
> > expensive.
> 
> How do you mean 'wrong type'?  Because -- aside from the fact that, 
> yes, he would be too expensive, and too high-profile to boot, that 
> ectomorphic Black-Irish look seems to suit Sirius really well.

Wrong type inasmuch as he's big and burly, not to mention far too 
muscular for the Sirius I envisage. The original poster's idea was 
born from his appearance in Die Another Day, in which he was 
bedraggled, not emaciated, which is what Sirius should be after a 
dozen years in Azkaban. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Brosnan 
didn't even "do" bedraggled too well, never mind emaciated 
(considering he was meant to have spent over a year being tortured 
and starved).

> Hence, the solution that is Jason Carter (who's probably more Scots 
> than Irish, but still -- Celt is Celt.)

Well, whilst I don't object to Jason (who I think would make a great 
*book* Sirius), I'm still holding out for Alan Rickman's almost- 
contemporary Jeremy Irons. :-) I know that most people hate the idea, 
but his public persona is sufficiently ambiguous to allow him to be 
seen as the bad guy for as long as it's necessary, yet be ultimately 
believable as the good guy, which I'm not sure is the case with Jason 
(I say that as someone who watched Babylon Five religiously but came 
to despise it, in which Jason's character underwent a similar 
deliberate change in perceived characterisation).

More than that, though, the best two baddies from the Die Hard movies 
going up against each other in the Shrieking Shack (and at the end of 
GoF) is just too marvellous an image to be ignored. 

And to top it off, having Jeremy Irons say "Severus Snape" with that 
unmistakable lisp of his is just *so* rich in possibilities...

:-)





From kattrap_meow at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 03:38:12 2002
From: kattrap_meow at yahoo.com (Andrea)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:38:12 -0000
Subject: POA Quidditch
Message-ID: <aruqb4+2bvv@eGroups.com>

Although I can understand cutting some Quidditch out of the POA 
movie, POA is when I started thinking of Quidditch as a sport instead 
of something seperate from the main plot line. Think, POA is when 
harry falls off his broom with Hufflepuff and his broom is smashed; 
Harry gets his firebolt and fights the "dementors" while playing 
Ravenclaw; and they actually win the Quidditch cup when playing 
slytherin. 

Andrea/Kattrap, who bought the Gryffindor vs. Slytherin poster from 
CoS and has been banned from putting it up in her house by her 
housemates! 




From divaclv at aol.com  Tue Nov 26 04:07:12 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 04:07:12 -0000
Subject: Sirius
In-Reply-To: <arumin+rkp2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arus1g+he6m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
> Wrong type inasmuch as he's big and burly, not to mention far too 
> muscular for the Sirius I envisage. The original poster's idea was 
> born from his appearance in Die Another Day, in which he was 
> bedraggled, not emaciated, which is what Sirius should be after a 
> dozen years in Azkaban. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Brosnan 
> didn't even "do" bedraggled too well, never mind emaciated 
> (considering he was meant to have spent over a year being tortured 
> and starved).
> 

Also, I'd think Brosnan would present the same kind of problem 
mentioned in regards to Hugh Grant when he was in the running for 
Lockhart: his offscreen personality would overpower the character he 
was playing. 

> 
> Well, whilst I don't object to Jason (who I think would make a 
great 
> *book* Sirius), I'm still holding out for Alan Rickman's almost- 
> contemporary Jeremy Irons. :-) 

Hmmm...I hadn't thought of him for the role, but he's sufficiently 
talented that I'd willingly give him the benifit of the doubt if he 
were cast :-)

~Christi




From eb3g at ivillage.com  Tue Nov 26 05:25:52 2002
From: eb3g at ivillage.com (jillily3g)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:25:52 -0000
Subject: actors aging
Message-ID: <arv0l0+6rp1@eGroups.com>

Hello,

AP ran an article talking about how the "kids" aging might affect 
their believability if they decide to continue with future movies. I 
can't see this as a serious problem, looking at glaringly obvious non-
teens playing teen roles such as on 90210 and Grease, but I'd like 
other opinions. Anyone want to weigh in? Is there a problem with a 20-
somthing-year-old Daniel playing 17-year-old Harry? Would this be 
less "believable" than switching actors or would the public accept a 
switch ala James Bond? 

Beth





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 10:09:28 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:09:28 -0000
Subject: actors aging
In-Reply-To: <arv0l0+6rp1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <arvh8o+9ejg@eGroups.com>

jillily3g wrote:

> AP ran an article talking about how the "kids" aging might affect 
> their believability if they decide to continue with future movies. 

As, incidentally, has just about every other press organ. I've yet to 
see an article about CoS which didn't raise that as an issue, and 
several reviews also referred to it.

I got the feeling at one stage that the production team were 
deliberately planting the idea, and I remain convinced that this is 
the case. Mainly because I suspect that it focussed people to think 
about how much more mature as actors the young cast were in this 
movie compared to the last one, rather than how much better they 
*could* have been under a more accomplished director. 

> I can't see this as a serious problem, looking at glaringly obvious 
> non-teens playing teen roles such as on 90210 and Grease, but I'd 
> like other opinions. Anyone want to weigh in? Is there a problem 
> with a 20- somthing-year-old Daniel playing 17-year-old Harry? 
> Would this be less "believable" than switching actors or would the 
> public accept a switch ala James Bond? 

The younger fans would have a hard time accepting any change (bear in 
mind that Bond is aimed at a slightly older demographic), but I 
expect that even they would eventually get over it. 

One of the sincere things I think Columbus & Co have said in the 
recent splurge of hype is that they will keep the current cast for as 
long as the kids are comfortable with appearing in the movies, and 
accept it as a bit of fun. Apart from anything else, once they start 
taking the hype seriously is when they start turning into celebrity 
brats, and by extension, become difficult to work with. 

Personally, I have no problem with a 20 or 21 year-old Trio playing 
17 year-old characters. By that stage, they will have played the 
parts for the best part of a decade and will be best-suited for the 
job. I also feel that it would be a tremendous achievement for such a 
long series of movies to be made with the same young cast, but 
ultimately I agree with Columbus: whether they stay the course is 
*their* choice. I suspect that the possibility of going down in 
hisotry as having "done the job to the end" appeals to them (even 
more than the money; they all come from affluent backgrounds, which I 
suspect is one of the reasons why they were chosen in the first 
place). 

If the kids choose to leave these roles behind them (Tom Felton has 
already said that he's willing to continue playing Draco for the time 
being, but has had enough of acting) then I'm sure the fans will 
accept it, and accept their replacements.





From 5joneses at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 26 11:37:27 2002
From: 5joneses at earthlink.net (Erika J)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:37:27 -0500
Subject: Leaky Cauldron
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021126063209.00a27b10@pop.earthlink.net>

Having problems logging onto the Leaky cauldron site, is it just me? It 
shows up as a blank screen.

In any case, this might already be up on there but here is a link of Daniel 
Radcliffe dressed as a woman for a cameo (new celebrity cameo each night) 
for the Kenneth Brannagh directed London play last week. Pretty cute.

http://www.rexfeatures.com/cgi-bin/r2show0?k=daniel+radcliffe&f=Newest&s=mY2ix4PODBpjJDYwkjCb7HAC&u=DEFAULT&p=b10B567A40000000A&t=0000000A

Erika J




From jmd at jvf.co.uk  Tue Nov 26 11:51:47 2002
From: jmd at jvf.co.uk (Jeremy Davis)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:51:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Leaky Cauldron
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021126063209.00a27b10@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001701c29542$32fa4d80$0e010001@jmd2000>

> Having problems logging onto the Leaky cauldron site, is it just me?
> It shows up as a blank screen.

Yep, get the blank screen aswell :-(

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From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Tue Nov 26 12:02:11 2002
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (Felicia Rickmann)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:02:11 -0000
Subject: Leaky Cauldron, perhaps..
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021126063209.00a27b10@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005401c29543$a6d01f40$429f5651@tinyjyuaxzlq>

I know the Leaky Cauldron are seriously entertaining the possibility of
bidding at the charity auction for the famous Book 5 sheet at Sotheby's (?)
and hope to have a lot of stuff in place ready to take payments worldwide.
It might be that they are planning a big headline launch for the fund
raising that takes a lot of organising from a logistical and legal point of
view.  I wish them well (and will definitely contribute to their appeal).

Felicia




> Having problems logging onto the Leaky cauldron site, is it just me? It
> shows up as a blank screen.
>
> In any case, this might already be up on there but here is a link of
Daniel
> Radcliffe dressed as a woman for a cameo (new celebrity cameo each night)
> for the Kenneth Brannagh directed London play last week. Pretty cute.






From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 26 12:59:29 2002
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:59:29 -0000
Subject: Daniel Radcliffe on London Stage Photos
Message-ID: <arvr7h+puq3@eGroups.com>

Someone else already posted links to Daniels guest appearance in the
London play 'The Play I Wrote'; photos at Rexfeatures, but Rex
features seems to have blocked the ability to view anything but the
thumbnails on all Potter related pictures.

However, DanRadcliffe.com has enlargements.

http://danradcliffe.com/

Second from the last paragraph in the first article, you will see a
list of numbers, those are the enlargements.

bboy_mn




From heidit at netbox.com  Tue Nov 26 18:56:58 2002
From: heidit at netbox.com (heidi tandy)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:56:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Leaky Cauldron
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021126063209.00a27b10@pop.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000401c2957d$b4a57c70$2401010a@Frodo>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika J [mailto:5joneses at earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:37 AM
> To: hPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Leaky Cauldron
> 
> 
> Real-To:  Erika J <5joneses at earthlink.net>
> 
> Having problems logging onto the Leaky cauldron site, is it 
> just me? It 
> shows up as a blank screen.
> 

Just letting everyone know, we're back up with box office numbers and an
article about Daniel Radcliffe's stage debut.





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Nov 26 19:46:36 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1904 05:21:53 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Will COS have "legs"
Message-ID: <v01540b0000053d8385dd@[195.184.231.234]>

Thanks for the various remarks about the expected run of CoS. I noted last
year that HP1 ran for considerably longer in the UK than the US; I was in
the US in late January, and PS/SS was only being shown as a matinee at a
couple of out-of-town smaller cinema complexes. In the UK, the local
multiplexes kept it running throughout the day until mid-February, in other
words, the end of the half-term holiday.

I think that the Christmas period will be crucial. The thing about the HP
films is that they appeal to that young age group who will see a movie over
and over, which contributes greatly to the box-office returns and thus the
length of the run.

Well, I suppose it's not only that age group!

I *hope* that CoS too will keep showing until February; it meant that there
was only a 3-month gap between the last time I saw it at the cinema and the
date when I could buy the DVD. Not that I was addicted, you understand.

GulPlum wrote:-

>To be perfectly honest, despite being an absolutely HUGE Bond fan, I
>regret that I don't have any plans to see this one again...

That's good to know; the reviews that I have read all indicate that the new
Bond is little more than a series of action pieces; though of course, with
it being the 20th Bond, it is getting a lot of media attention.

GulPlum again:-
>Which
>isn't quite the case with CoS, which should be getting my attendance
>for the err... tenth... time tomorrow. :-)

Rats...you're well ahead of me...only 5 times so far...

Regards,
Nicholas






From urbana at charter.net  Wed Nov 27 04:12:35 2002
From: urbana at charter.net (Anne R Urbanski)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:12:35 -0600
Subject: Dobby's "slip of the tongue" (dialogue error)
Message-ID: <auto-000001999508@dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net>

Hello all, I just joined this list a few days ago and am really glad I
discovered it! I am also new on the main HP4GU list but am not currently
reading it because I haven't *quite* finished reading GoF (one chapter to
go and I'll finally be finished reading all 4 Harry Potter books to my
6-year-old daughter, which I've been doing since late July ... but I
digress..)

I have a question about one little snippet of Dobby's dialogue in CoS. I
don't recall exactly what scene this was in, but at one point Dobby and
Harry were talking about something, and Dobby referred to himself in
(shudder) the First Person! I thought perhaps I misheard it, but later I
asked my daughter, "Did Dobby say 'I' instead of 'Dobby'?" and she said,
yes he did, one time. Did anyone besides me notice this? I was shocked that
Dobby did not refer to himself in the third person, because as we know,
house-elves always refer to themselves in the third person.

Just wondering. I'll go back into the woodwork now:-)

Anne Urbanski
Madison, WI, USA
(I'm just wild about Harry,and Ron, and Hermione, etc. etc.... what do we
Harry Potter maniacs call ourselves?:-)




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From lwomer at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 27 06:42:31 2002
From: lwomer at yahoo.com (lwomer)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:42:31 -0000
Subject: J.K. Cameo?
Message-ID: <as1pgn+7olj@eGroups.com>

I read in the trivia at IMDB that J.K. made a cameo in COS.  
Supposedly, she is the witch who smiles at Harry when he enters 
Knockturn Alley.  I know J.K. said she hates to watch herself on 
screen, but I wondered if anyone could confirm this or not.  Thanks!

-Elsie




From itzregina at hanson.net  Wed Nov 27 15:33:08 2002
From: itzregina at hanson.net (Regina)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:33:08 -0000
Subject: Will COS have "legs"
In-Reply-To: <v01540b0000053d8385dd@[195.184.231.234]>
Message-ID: <as2ojk+vu1r@eGroups.com>

> GulPlum again:-
> >Which
> >isn't quite the case with CoS, which should be getting my 
attendance
> >for the err... tenth... time tomorrow. :-)
> 
> Rats...you're well ahead of me...only 5 times so far...
> 
> Regards,
> Nicholas

Looking forward to my fifth time this weekend.  I want to see it as 
much as possible before it leaves my theater.  I'm going to look for 
some of the "mistakes" this time around.  I see something new 
everytime....


Gina




From DaveH47 at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 27 20:05:05 2002
From: DaveH47 at mindspring.com (Dave Hardenbrook)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:05:05 -0800
Subject: House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
In-Reply-To: <1038401448.478.28407.m12@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1038401448.478.28407.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <535531987.20021127120505@mindspring.com>

I've missed a few days of the digest, so forgive me if this has already
been asked... But, in regard to the scene where Lucius tries to AK
Harry, aside from the apparent stupidity of Lucius risking his
"respectable image" by murdering Harry right under Dumbledore's nose,
I'm wondering -- Is this meant to be a clue?  Is Jo trying to hint to us
the extreme power of House Elves?  Is it even possible that... House Elves
can *block* Avada Kedavra??!

-- 
Dave




From tinajgr at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 27 23:42:19 2002
From: tinajgr at yahoo.com (Tina)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 15:42:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: J.K. Cameo?
In-Reply-To: <1038401448.478.28407.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20021127234219.2012.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com>


 HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:

Message: 5
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 06:42:31 -0000
From: "lwomer" 
Subject: J.K. Cameo?

I read in the trivia at IMDB that J.K. made a cameo in COS. 
Supposedly, she is the witch who smiles at Harry when he enters 
Knockturn Alley. I know J.K. said she hates to watch herself on 
screen, but I wondered if anyone could confirm this or not. Thanks!

-Elsie

Ack! If only I had gotten that message earlier - I just got back from seeing CoS a third time this afternoon. I'll be sure to look for it the fourth time sometime next week or in the upcoming weeks. Thanks for the point-out! :)

~Tina



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From myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 28 00:51:45 2002
From: myphilosophy2001 at yahoo.com (Moonstruck)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:51:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: J.K. Cameo?
In-Reply-To: <20021127234219.2012.qmail@web12903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20021128005145.34469.qmail@web20805.mail.yahoo.com>

Elsie said:
> I read in the trivia at IMDB that J.K. made a cameo
> in COS. Supposedly, she is the witch who smiles at >
 Harry when he enters Knockturn Alley. 

Me:
Y'know, I noticed that witch both times I saw CoS (so
far) -- so much so that she completely stands out in
my mind. Both times, when they first show her I
thought she looked completely like JKR, but in another
shot I thought she didn't. And since JKR has
alwaysadamant adament about not appearing in the
movies because she can't stand to watch herself, I
just supposed I'd been immersing myself in HP a bit
too much (as if that's possible) and hallucinating. 

Now that this information has arisen, I'm convinced
it's her. But, of course, I'll have to go see the
movie again -- just to be certain ;)~

-Jess :) 


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From corgi at SFF.net  Thu Nov 28 05:01:24 2002
From: corgi at SFF.net (Corgi)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 05:01:24 -0000
Subject: Sirius
In-Reply-To: <arus1g+he6m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as47v4+hckg@eGroups.com>

--- Christi wrote:
> Also, I'd think Brosnan would present the same kind of problem 
> mentioned in regards to Hugh Grant when he was in the running for 
> Lockhart: his offscreen personality would overpower the character he 
> was playing. 

Oh, Goddess, yes.  Way too high profile.

GulPlum:
>> ...I'm still holding out for Alan Rickman's almost- 
>> contemporary Jeremy Irons. :-) 

I adore Jeremy Irons.  He and Jason should play brothers some time;
they've got just enough similarity of bone structure to sell the
visual, and they'd be wonderful bouncing off each other.

But anyway, violently jerking the conversation around to Jason Carter
-- Sci-Fi Storm has posted one of my Cast-Jason writeups. :D  Check out:

http://scifistorm.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/27/1437225&mode=thread

Any (positive) comments anyone wants to add would, of course, be
appreciated!  Thanks to Ranger Colin for the original link.

Corgi
http://www.SFF.net/people/Corgi/JasonCarter/




From toberead at excite.com  Thu Nov 28 09:03:54 2002
From: toberead at excite.com (aquariajade)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:03:54 -0000
Subject: J.K. Cameo?
In-Reply-To: <20021128005145.34469.qmail@web20805.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <as4m5q+82c3@eGroups.com>

I just watched the movie a third time and I think JKR is the woman 
the train conductor is talking to on the platform right before he 
speaks to Harry and Ron. I just caught her, but I am almost certain...

Someone please go look tomorrow and tell me... I am simply dying to 
know!

Jessa

P.S. This is my first posting here, hello!


--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., Moonstruck <myphilosophy2001 at y...> wrote:
> Elsie said:
> > I read in the trivia at IMDB that J.K. made a cameo
> > in COS. Supposedly, she is the witch who smiles at >
>  Harry when he enters Knockturn Alley. 
> 
> Me:
> Y'know, I noticed that witch both times I saw CoS (so
> far) -- so much so that she completely stands out in
> my mind. Both times, when they first show her I
> thought she looked completely like JKR, but in another
> shot I thought she didn't. And since JKR has
> alwaysadamant adament about not appearing in the
> movies because she can't stand to watch herself, I
> just supposed I'd been immersing myself in HP a bit
> too much (as if that's possible) and hallucinating. 
> 
> Now that this information has arisen, I'm convinced
> it's her. But, of course, I'll have to go see the
> movie again -- just to be certain ;)~
> 
> -Jess :) 
> 
> 
> =====
> 
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> Who needs light when you've got Lupin?!" - Miss_Tori
> 
> 
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> 
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http://www.hp2003.org/index.html 
> 
> 
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From psion_x at yahoo.com.au  Thu Nov 28 11:46:37 2002
From: psion_x at yahoo.com.au (psion_x)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:46:37 -0000
Subject: Most Annoyed
Message-ID: <as4vmt+lbnk@eGroups.com>

S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
*
*
*
Over all I found CoS to be an enjoyable movie, better then the 
first, although I was annoyed that Penelope wasn't petrified.
It really didn't make sense, I mean after all it would have taken 
less then a minute to establish that she was there in the infirmary. 
And less then a minute for F or G to mention she's a Prefect, since 
I would have perfered the movie to end like the book had in the 
train.
Also I notice on the CD Soundtrack that there was a track called the 
Death Day Party, yet this doesn't occur!
The actors though, are MUCH better, I loved Grint as Ron in the 
forest, those face expression were PRICELESS! Dobby was hilarious, 
Malfoy Sr suitably dark, Crabbe and Goyle did a gret job too. I take 
my hat off to Moaning Mrytle though, she was played prefectly along 
with Lockhart(got what he deserved in the end)! I also found that 
Ginny made an impression despite a lack of speaking lines. 
I noticed to that the film-makers took time to make Myrtle and Tom's 
uniforms in a very fifties style.
And the Basilik, ugh! Freaky thing!




From bwerschkun at gmx.net  Thu Nov 28 12:21:09 2002
From: bwerschkun at gmx.net (bwerschkun)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:21:09 -0000
Subject: J.K. Cameo?
In-Reply-To: <as4m5q+82c3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as51nl+uq9m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "aquariajade" <toberead at e...> wrote:
>  I think JKR is the woman 
> the train conductor is talking to on the platform right before he 
> speaks to Harry and Ron. 

Yes, I thought this was her, too! She briefly smiles at Harry and Ron who are 
on the floor after crashing into the barrier, then she turns and walks away. I 
thought it was her first time I saw the movie, but then I dismissed the thought 
because I didn't know she had a cameo at all. In fact, I remembered from the 
interviews at the time the first movie came out that she didn't like being on 
screen.
Barbara





From htfulcher at comcast.net  Thu Nov 28 13:00:56 2002
From: htfulcher at comcast.net (marephraim)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:00:56 -0000
Subject: J.K. Cameo?
In-Reply-To: <as51nl+uq9m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as5428+th13@eGroups.com>

"bwerschkun" wrote:
> Yes, I thought this was her, too! She briefly smiles at Harry and 
Ron who are on the floor after crashing into the barrier, then she 
turns and walks away. I thought it was her first time I saw the 
movie, but then I dismissed the thought because I didn't know she 
had a cameo at all. In fact, I remembered from the interviews at the 
time the first movie came out that she didn't like being on screen.
> Barbara<

My comments:

I also thought JKR was in that scene (didn't notice the possibility 
in Knockturn Alley). Now, I confess that I must not be a TRUE HP fan 
as to date I've only seen the movie once (took the wife and kid a 
full 3 days AFTER it opened!), however I am planning to take her 
(the kid) and a friend, and -- now get this! -- my parents to see it 
tomorrow! So maybe I qualify as doing my part to keep the weekly 
take up in the ratings!

However, it seems to me that I've read at least two interviews with 
CC who comments that JRK never turned up on the set during CoS. He 
says something to the effect that she came in on the PS/SS set once 
or twice but not at all this time out.

Now there is a woman in PS/SS holding a child at Kings Cross. She 
turns and walks away as Harry approaches the conductor. I vaguely 
remember that that this happened to be the same actress who played 
Lily -- will have to get the DVD out and run the scene at x6 slow. 

Anyroad, I would wonder if the woman in question in CoS is not 
rather the same woman as PS/SS.  This would fit with the trend to 
have the minor characters played by the same people (i.e., the 
conductor, the trolly lady, etc.). IS2M that British films have a 
tendency to have a lot of minor or walk on characters played by the 
same cast in movie series; perhaps giving a since of realism, 
or 'it's a small world,' to the series. In the old days, I just 
thought it was because the acting pool was so small (although it was 
hilarious to see Alfie Bass in so many minor role parts, etc.)

Sorry, running off at the keyboard this morning....

I'll be certain to pay extra attention tomorrow to Knockturn Alley 
and King's Cross and report back my impressions/findings....





From htfulcher at comcast.net  Thu Nov 28 14:00:51 2002
From: htfulcher at comcast.net (marephraim)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:00:51 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc.  -- CoS Nitpics
Message-ID: <as57ij+rdqq@eGroups.com>

Forgive these if they seem silly or what...

Classify them as nitpics, and yes I'm on a rambling roll this 
morning!

Acting - First, let me say that I'm a great fan of HP (books and 
movies) and, as I've noted elsewhere, am intending to see the movie 
again. 

However, I thought Daniel and Emma have not improved much in reading 
their lines. Think of Harry when he first sees Dobby in his room 
(why is Dobby jumping up and down on the bed?), the lines are 
delivered in a stilted fashion that doesn't ring true to the 
situation. Also, think of Hermione's information about the 
Mandrakes -- it sounds like she's trying to read it off a cue card. 

Rupert, however is fantastic and muchly under-used in the movie. His 
delivery and acting in the spider sequence was superb. 

Personally, I thought Coltrain was a bit flat in this one. He didn't 
seem at all afraid enough to be sent to Azkaban.

It broke my heart to see Harris in this one. I thought he looked 
very weak, and his delivery of his lines (to me, anyway) clearly 
showed how very sick he was. What a trooper to get through the whole 
long ordeal!

Audio -- There was not really a great dynamic range to the sound. 
For example, Dobby is supposed to have a very high squeeky voice, 
and Harry is certain that it is carrying downstairs. There just 
wasn't a lot of difference in amplitude between Harry's 
protestations that Dobby should keep quiet and Dobby's wailing. 

Editing -- the cuts from one scene to another were very abrupt. It 
was almost like watching a rough cut than the final product. Perhaps 
when the DVD comes out they'll a) expand it with scenes that would 
flesh out the story a bit -- more with/about Ginny? -- and b) work 
on the volume.

Book to move transitions -- I don't have a problem with certain 
elements of the story not being exact with the books. The Hufflepuff 
girl turning up in all the classes that are supposed to be only 
shared with Slytherin doesn't bother me. Having McGonnigall spill 
the beans about the legend of the Chamber versus Flitwick did seem a 
bit unnecessary, but there you go. 

However, not giving Ginny more presence in the movie made the flow 
of events seem quite random. And did I miss it, or did Justin Finch-
Fletchly not get petrified? (This may be a complete senior moment 
for me, so forgive please.) 

It strikes me that there just may have been way too much focus on 
being as close to the book as possible. In the end the movies have 
to be exceedingly long or sacrifice comprehension due to short-
handing. Picking the right parts of the story to include in the 
movie, and portraying them accurately or at least with care, would 
be more important than slavishly filming every paragraphs' nuance. 

As an example of what I mean (yes, this may be obscure) I love the 
Maltese Falcon. It's a wonderful movie, well directed and acted. 
I've also read the book. There are a few things that differ in the 
movie versus the book (those wonderful 1940's censors, you know!) 
and there are also elements that aren't in the movie at all. Now 
having seen the movie many times before I read the book, I was 
shocked on seeing it again after reading the book that there were 
actually several scenes that weren't in the movie that while reading 
the book I was absolutely certain I had seen! Point? A well made 
movie that is in spirit faithful to the book can give us a sense of 
things in the book that the movie doesn't include at all. As long as 
the basic plot, directing and acting are up to par it will still 
work.

Actors' Ages -- I have never thought that the age issue for the main 
cast was really a valid concern. As many have mentioned, it is 
routine to have older kids/adults playing younter roles. (Do we not 
all more or less see James Bond as being in his late thirties, as 
opposed to ... how old is Brosnen?) IS2M that the person who 
considered the whole thing as being a plant from the production team 
may have a point -- we look at how much older the kids look in 
comparison to PS/SS and are distracted from any flaws in their 
acting. Keep in mind, the age difference is bound to be more visible 
between PS/SS and CoS than CoS and any future endeavour. 

Directors -- There's been a lot of talk about the CC versus AC 
directing issue and its potential impact on the franchise. IS2M that 
CC has a history of starting a project with series potential and 
ultimately moving on. If AC is as good as people say (I've never 
seen one of his movies) I doubt we've much to worry about. It might 
actually make PoA a better movie. In fact, I wouldn't mind a bit of 
compression or potential elimination of certain things to make a 
better movie. 

Ok, I've ranted and raved my way through my morning coffee, and I'm 
sure I've bored you all to tears.

Thanks for putting up with the time you spent reading this.




From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 16:13:19 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1904 01:49:36 +0100
Subject: Spoiler; JKR cameo in CoS?
Message-ID: <v01540b00000a92c23c06@[213.254.186.138]>

Not
really
much
spoiler
stuff
here,
but
just
in
case...
...
...
...
Just saw it again (6) and checked out the first witch in Knockturn Alley.
Heavily made up, of course,  but it could easily have been JKR. No mention
in the credits.

I too read a couple of times that CC said that JKR *never* visited the CoS set.

Didn't notice the woman on the station platform; if it was JKR, that could
get around that one...King's Cross is a location, not a set.

Regards,
Nicholas





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 16:13:20 2002
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1904 01:49:37 +0100
Subject: Spoiler; CoS script non-sequiturs
Message-ID: <v01540b01000a936662b8@[213.254.186.138]>


Definitely
spoilers
in
this
one
...
you
have
been
warned!


Two script non-sequiturs stood out this time around. First, during the
duelling scene, Snape recommends that Lockhart should teach the students
how to block unfriendly spells, then Harry and Malfoy are called
forward...but no spell-blocking instructions are given.

Second, in Hagrid's hut, when Harry and Ron are under the cloak and
Dumbledore is removed from office; in the book, I believe Dumbledore says
the bit about he won't be gone from Hogwarts as long as there are people
loyal to him there, and that help will always be given to those who ask.

In the movie, they missed out the bit about loyalty to Dumbledore in his
speech in the hut, though Harry says it in the Chamber to Tom Riddle. They
did include Dumbledore saying that help would always be given. There should
have been a payoff to that line in the Chamber; all that it would have
taken would be Harry saying 'help me, someone, please', when confronted
with the Basilisk; which I believe he did say in the book; but not in the
movie.

I also thought that, if I hadn't read CoS, I would not have understood
about Lockhart taking the credit for the deeds of other wizards in his
books. Reference was made to it in the final confrontation between Harry,
Ron and Lockhart, but it hadn't been set up well enough to make sense. They
really took too much out of the Flourish and Blotts scene.

Also noticed that Tom Riddle *didn't blink* throughout the Chamber scene.

Regards,
Nicholas





From jmd at jvf.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 16:17:49 2002
From: jmd at jvf.co.uk (Jeremy Davis)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:17:49 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Spoiler; CoS script non-sequiturs
References: <v01540b01000a936662b8@[213.254.186.138]>
Message-ID: <002201c296f9$b21ccc10$0e010001@jmd2000>

Nicholas
> Two script non-sequiturs stood out this time around. First, during the
> duelling scene, Snape recommends that Lockhart should teach the students
> how to block unfriendly spells, then Harry and Malfoy are called
> forward...but no spell-blocking instructions are given.
Yep, spotted that one myself. Perhaps Malfoy anf Potter were supposed to be
just plain and simply disobedient.

> Second, in Hagrid's hut, when Harry and Ron are under the cloak and
> Dumbledore is removed from office; in the book, I believe Dumbledore says
> the bit about he won't be gone from Hogwarts as long as there are people
> loyal to him there, and that help will always be given to those who ask.
>
> In the movie, they missed out the bit about loyalty to Dumbledore in his
> speech in the hut, though Harry says it in the Chamber to Tom Riddle. They
> did include Dumbledore saying that help would always be given. There
should
> have been a payoff to that line in the Chamber; all that it would have
> taken would be Harry saying 'help me, someone, please', when confronted
> with the Basilisk; which I believe he did say in the book; but not in the
> movie.

I've only seen the film one, but I'm pretty sure Dumbledore stared at them
in the invisibility cloak and said it then........ ???????

Jeremy




From kkearney at students.miami.edu  Thu Nov 28 22:13:52 2002
From: kkearney at students.miami.edu (corinthum)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:13:52 -0000
Subject: Parseltongue
Message-ID: <as64f0+93i3@eGroups.com>

A quick question regarding the Parseltongue we hear in the movie.  Is 
this an actual conlang constructed for the movie, or did they simply 
use random hissing sounds?  If the former, could anyone tell me where 
I could find more info on it?

-Corinth




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 00:39:11 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:39:11 -0000
Subject: Parseltongue
In-Reply-To: <as64f0+93i3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as6cvf+8ic8@eGroups.com>

corinthum wrote:
> A quick question regarding the Parseltongue we hear in the movie.  
> Is this an actual conlang constructed for the movie, or did they 
> simply use random hissing sounds?  If the former, could anyone tell 
> me where I could find more info on it?

It seems that it was a mixture of both. Apparently, the production 
team approached a linguistics specialist at Cambridge (?) University 
to construct Parseltongue, and he came up with a complete vocabulary 
for them to use. Columbus and his team tweaked it a little bit to 
work better on the screen.

If you want to find out more, I supoose the best place to find out is 
through the Warner Bros. press department (or directly from Columbus, 
if you want to try that way). I think addresses have been made 
available on the official website.








From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 02:19:34 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:19:34 -0000
Subject: Spoiler; CoS script non-sequiturs
In-Reply-To: <002201c296f9$b21ccc10$0e010001@jmd2000>
Message-ID: <as6irm+d44n@eGroups.com>

Jeremy Davis wrote:
> Nicholas

> > In the movie, they missed out the bit about loyalty to Dumbledore
> > in his speech in the hut, though Harry says it in the Chamber to 
> > Tom Riddle. They did include Dumbledore saying that help would 
> > always be given. There should have been a payoff to that line in 
> > the Chamber; all that it would have taken would be Harry 
> > saying 'help me, someone, please', when confronted with the 
> > Basilisk; which I believe he did say in the book; but not in the
> > movie.
> 
> I've only seen the film one, but I'm pretty sure Dumbledore stared
> at them in the invisibility cloak and said it then........ ???????

Nope. As Nicholas said, Dumbledore only said that help would be 
available to anyone who asks for it. No mention of loyalty.

As it happens, whilst agreeing with Nicholas (certainly all Harry had 
to do was shout "help"), I don't necessarily see Harry's statement as 
a non-sequitur within the confines of the movie script; I see it as 
another huge jump of lateral thinking of which book-Harry isn't 
really capable, at least not in CoS (the even BIGGER one being using 
the Basilisk fang to "kill" the diary).

Changing the subject ever so slightly...

Something which puzzled me as I watched the movie for the erm... 
twelfth time today (Sorry, Nick) :-) was why Kloves changed an 
element of the book which resulted in taking up more time than if 
they'd stuck closer to the book, and also resulted in a non-sequitur 
of sorts.

I'm talking about something I've mentioned before, namely Riddle's 
Award for Services to the School (a prop of which was famously made 
for the first movie, partially seen immediately to the right and 
behind James's Quidditch trophy). In terms of non-sequiturs, 
the "irony" of Ron & Harry having been awarded one at the end of the 
movie is completely lost. In terms of plot development, after 
Harry's "Diary flashback", the Trio are walking through the grounds 
and Ron says something like "This Tom Riddle sounds like a dirty 
rotten snitch to me"; they start discussing Hagrid's possible 
involvement, at which point Hagrid interrupts them. 

Why not conduct that scene in the trophy room (nicely mirroring the 
scene from the first movie, but this time with a more canonical Ron 
leading the way), with Ron pointing to the trophy rather than just 
making assumptions. The kids can then mention Hagrid, who happens to 
walk by. 

Doing the scene that way would have had a five-way pay-off: Ron 
actually gets to have played a part in the resolution of the mystery; 
there's a nice parallel with the (non-canonical) trophy-room scene in 
the first movie (which would send people rushing to their DVDs of the 
first movie as soon as they got home to find an amount of planning 
worthy of JKR!); we establish that Riddle was seen as a hero for his 
part in the mystery 50 years earlier, making a connection with the 
flashback scene; there's a neat parallel with Harry & Ron getting 
awards at the end of the film (TBH I'd've liked to have seen 
Dumbldore conjure up a couple of trophies to hand to them at that 
point); it's shorter than the scene as it appears in the movie.

Lost opportunities like that are one of the things which *REALLY* 
annoy me about Kloves's attitude.

-- 
GulPlum, AKA Richard, who's having a bit of a Ken Branagh day today, 
consisting of CoS and Rabbit-Proof Fence at the cinema, and currently 
watching Frankenstein on TV. :-)







From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 02:21:55 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 02:21:55 -0000
Subject: Spoiler; JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00000a92c23c06@[213.254.186.138]>
Message-ID: <as6j03+cjqr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., TACtalk at a... wrote:
Not
really
much
spoiler
stuff
here,
but
just
in
case...
...
...
...

 
> I too read a couple of times that CC said that JKR *never* visited 
the CoS set.
> 
> Didn't notice the woman on the station platform; if it was JKR, 
that could
> get around that one...King's Cross is a location, not a set.

I paid attention to that scene at the cinema today - the woman at 
King's Cross is *NOT* JKR. The only thing they have in common is 
blonde hair. 




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 03:08:03 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:08:03 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc.  -- CoS Nitpics
In-Reply-To: <as57ij+rdqq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as6lmj+cfaj@eGroups.com>

I agree with most of what marephraim wrote, except for a few comments 
or corrections/answers:

> Having McGonnigall spill the beans about the legend of the Chamber 
> versus Flitwick did seem a bit unnecessary, but there you go. 

It was Binns (Hisotry of Magic) who spilled the beans in the book. 

As it happens, I have an ABSOLUTELY HUGE problem with McGonagall, of 
all people, giving the exposition of the Chamber legend. I can 
understand that the producers didn't want to introduce yet another 
teacher, but under the circumstances, I would have preferred it if 
Flitwick had been given those lines (the fact that poor Warwick 
Davies didn't have a single audible line throughout the movie should 
have been reason enough!).

The reason for my objection is that it makes a mockery of 
McGonagall's status. Let me explain.

In the book, as I said, the exposition is given by Binns. All we know 
about him is that he's a ghost and he doesn't socialise with the 
other staff. We don't know how long he's been teaching at Hogwarts, 
and (from memory, please correct me if I'm wrong) we don't know how 
long ago he died. Therefore, we don't know if he was around for the 
Chamber's opening fifty years previously and he could be forgiven for 
treating the whole Chamber story as a myth. Similar comments could be 
made about Flitwick.

McGonagall, on the other hand, is Deputy Head Teacher and should know 
more about the school. I know that there's fan speculation about just 
when she attended Hogwarts as a pupil herself and that her student 
days must have been very close to Riddle's (if not overlapping), but 
even dismissing that, surely she should know that the Chamber *had* 
been opened? She's Dumbledore's second in command, and in view of the 
first attacks this time, SURELY Dumbledore would have briefed her 
about what had happened the last time, even if she didn't already 
know about it? SURELY she knows about Hagrid's expulsion in 
connection with the last opening? Then WHY, for goodness' sake, does 
her exposition underline the Chamber's status as "legend"? Why does 
she fail to acknowledge that it is real and had caused trouble 
before? 

Binns may not have known about Riddle's first time, but if McGonagall 
doesn't, she really, truly, does not deserve to be in her position.

On top of all of all those canon objections, having her exposition 
state that the Chamber exists, that it was opened 50 years 
previously, and that Hagrid was suspected of having opened it, would 
have made the movie's plot significantly clearer and could have saved 
running time later on by removing further unnecessary exposition.

> And did I miss it, or did Justin Finch-
> Fletchly not get petrified? (This may be a complete senior moment 
> for me, so forgive please.) 

Yes, he did. Through Nearly Headless Nick (the petrification which 
results in Harry's first visit to Dumbledore's office).

<snip>

> If Cuaron is as good as people say (I've never 
> seen one of his movies) I doubt we've much to worry about. It might 
> actually make PoA a better movie. In fact, I wouldn't mind a bit of 
> compression or potential elimination of certain things to make a 
> better movie. 

He's certainly got a much better grasp of story-telling than 
Columbus. From the press hype, it seems that he recently sent back 
the first draft of the script with his comments to Kloves, so it 
seems that he's taking an active role in the script development, 
which cheers me no end.

On a stylistic point, if his previous movies are any basis for 
judgment (I've seen three of his four major movies to date), we're 
likely to lose Columbus's tired (and tiresome!) use of Hogwarts 
flyovers as transition sequences, and he'll probably replace 
Columbus's penchant for downward vertical pans with his own penchant 
for upward ones. :-)




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 03:16:12 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 03:16:12 -0000
Subject: Most Annoyed
In-Reply-To: <as4vmt+lbnk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as6m5s+4lgj@eGroups.com>

psion_x wrote:
S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
*
*
*

> Also I notice on the CD Soundtrack that there was a track called
> the Death Day Party, yet this doesn't occur!

Huh? There's no such track on my copy. From what I gather from 
Columbus and Kloves, that scene was never in the script and thus was 
never filmed.

> I noticed to that the film-makers took time to make Myrtle andTom's 
> uniforms in a very fifties style.

Incidentally, for those who may have missed it, during today's BBC 
Newsround web-only interviews with four of the actors (Draco, Myrtle, 
Riddle and Ginny) there was some debate about Myrtle's house 
allegiance. Tom Felton (aka Draco) insisted she had Ravenclaw robes...






From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 04:09:54 2002
From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 04:09:54 -0000
Subject: 4th viewing
Message-ID: <as6pai+9i5i@eGroups.com>

Hello, all.  I went for my fourth viewing today of CoS - not a very 
lively crowd, to be sure.  They didn't laugh at anything.  But that 
is neither here nor there.  ANYWAY, I agree with GulPlum, that woman 
at King's Cross is not JKR.  However, that witch in Knockturn Alley, 
the first one Harry sees, the one with no speaking lines, that could 
be her (heavily made-up).  I guess it doesn't matter, but I made 
sure to look.  My other observance was with "Susan Bones."  Of 
course, we all know that Columbus has his daughter Eleanor in the 
movies.  I noticed she was wearing Hufflepuff robes at the duelling 
club.  Wasn't she a Gryffindor in Lockhart's first DADA class?  I 
suppose they just put her where they need her, in whatever robes 
they want to.  ;)  I just thought that was interesting.

Alora




From illyana at mindspring.com  Fri Nov 29 06:26:52 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:26:52 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Most Annoyed
In-Reply-To: <as6m5s+4lgj@eGroups.com>
References: <as6m5s+4lgj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a05200a02ba0cb8fcf2b5@[10.0.1.11]>

>gulplum wrote:
>S
>P
>O
>I
>L
>E
>R
>S
>*
>*
>*
>
>
>Incidentally, for those who may have missed it, during today's BBC
>Newsround web-only interviews with four of the actors (Draco, Myrtle,
>Riddle and Ginny) there was some debate about Myrtle's house
>allegiance. Tom Felton (aka Draco) insisted she had Ravenclaw robes...

does anyone know if a transcript of these interviews is on the web? i 
wanna read!!!

illyana
-- 
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Superintendent Chalmers

visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc



From jmd at jvf.co.uk  Fri Nov 29 09:29:16 2002
From: jmd at jvf.co.uk (Jeremy Davis)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:29:16 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Most Annoyed
References: <as6m5s+4lgj@eGroups.com> <a05200a02ba0cb8fcf2b5@[10.0.1.11]>
Message-ID: <004501c29789$c9ae6b00$0e010001@jmd2000>

Here's a link, but it's not a transcript. It's a 25 min "video webchat".
RealPlayer seems to have trouble connecting though, so I dunno if it's me or
the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/chat/hotseat/newsid_2516000/2516865.stm


----- Original Message -----
From: "illyana delorean" <illyana at mindspring.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Most Annoyed


> >gulplum wrote:
> >S
> >P
> >O
> >I
> >L
> >E
> >R
> >S
> >*
> >*
> >*
> >
> >
> >Incidentally, for those who may have missed it, during today's BBC
> >Newsround web-only interviews with four of the actors (Draco, Myrtle,
> >Riddle and Ginny) there was some debate about Myrtle's house
> >allegiance. Tom Felton (aka Draco) insisted she had Ravenclaw robes...
>
> does anyone know if a transcript of these interviews is on the web? i
> wanna read!!!
>
> illyana
> --
> S1.3 MIL+++ RWG++# FRI++ CBG++ P&S-- f++/+++ n- $++++ 9F13, 1F22,
> 2F13, 3F02, 3F05, 4F01, 4F08, 4F11, 4F19 F1980
>
> HPGCv1
> a22 e+ x+* Rm Ri HP4 S+++ Mo++ HG+/VK++ HaP+/SS+++& FGW++ DM++& VC--
> GG-- CD+ VK++ SS+++& PT--- AF-- MM++ RL++ O+m FAo F- Sl FHo SfD
>
> "What's the point in having a Honda if you can't show it off?" -
> Superintendent Chalmers
>
> visit my livejournal! http://www.livejournal.com/users/illyanadmc
>
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From penumbra10 at ameritech.net  Fri Nov 29 14:41:55 2002
From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:41:55 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc. -- Cuaron
In-Reply-To: <as6lmj+cfaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as7ubj+n9s4@eGroups.com>

"GulPlum" wrote:
> As it happens, I have an ABSOLUTELY HUGE problem with McGonagall, 
of all people, giving the exposition of the Chamber legend. I can 
> understand that the producers didn't want to introduce yet another 
> teacher, but under the circumstances, I would have preferred it if 
> Flitwick had been given those lines (the fact that poor Warwick 
> Davies didn't have a single audible line throughout the movie 
should  have been reason enough!).
> The reason for my objection is that it makes a mockery of 
> McGonagall's status. Let me explain.
<snip> She's Dumbledore's second in command, and in view of the 
> first attacks this time, SURELY Dumbledore would have briefed her 
> about what had happened the last time, even if she didn't already 
> know about it? SURELY she knows about Hagrid's expulsion in 
> connection with the last opening? Then WHY, for goodness' sake, 
does 
> her exposition underline the Chamber's status as "legend"? Why 
does she fail to acknowledge that it is real and had caused trouble 
> before? 
<snip> 
> On top of all of all those canon objections, having her exposition 
> state that the Chamber exists, that it was opened 50 years 
> previously, and that Hagrid was suspected of having opened it, 
would 
> have made the movie's plot significantly clearer and could have 
saved 
> running time later on by removing further unnecessary exposition.
<snip> 

Now me:   This is a very astute observation!  But I think, Columbus 
and Kloves probably felt that Smith didn't have enough to do and 
neither of them has taken the book seriously enough to notice that 
glaring inconsistency. But there are some rational reasons for their 
choices: To have Smith tell the students the Chamber had been opened 
fifty years before would have meant they had to cut out or 
completely alter a scene they both liked (Harry going into the 
diary) and to alter that would have thrown off the rest of the story 
thread too. A lot of the story tension would have been destroyed. If 
McGonagall told the children about the Chamber, she would never have 
implicated Hagrid. To use Flitwick would have been the thing to do 
but obviously, they didn't want to snip any time from the featured 
action scenes to allow a better exposition of the story. This, of 
course, would have been the intelligent thing to do.  I am very much 
looking forward to Cuaron's direction and you have seen his work, 
which is why I can't understand your statement about Cuaron's style:

GulPlum: 
> On a stylistic point, if his previous movies are any basis for 
> judgment (I've seen three of his four major movies to date), we're 
> likely to lose Columbus's tired (and tiresome!) use of Hogwarts 
> flyovers as transition sequences, and he'll probably replace 
> Columbus's penchant for downward vertical pans with his own 
penchant for upward ones. :-)

Now, me:
Although I agree with your other comments about his creative 
storytelling, you make it seem as if Cuaron uses the pans as 
mindlessly as Columbus.  There is absolutely no rational or artistic 
reason behind Columbus' downward vertical pans other than he 
saw "Fellowship of the Rings" and copied its (original and creative) 
style.  Cuaron is a perceptive artist who carefully sets up scenes 
in a kind of visual shorthand.  He allows us to meet and understand 
the characters he is depicting -- he makes us see them as people, 
not just as 'types.'  His camera work is never as obvious and phony 
as Columbus'.  And, if you have noticed a leaning toward upward pans-
-if he can make the story ring true and make us feel and understand 
the characters' motivations, if he can create a film that finally 
respects all the carefully crafted emotional nuances of JKR's 
writing--does the way he accomplishes it really matter?
--Nia




From penumbra10 at ameritech.net  Fri Nov 29 15:07:27 2002
From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:07:27 -0000
Subject: House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
In-Reply-To: <535531987.20021127120505@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <as7vrf+d817@eGroups.com>

 Dave Hardenbrook wrote:
><snip> But, in regard to the scene where Lucius tries to AK
> Harry, aside from the apparent stupidity of Lucius risking his
> "respectable image" by murdering Harry right under Dumbledore's 
nose,
> I'm wondering -- Is this meant to be a clue?  Is Jo trying to hint 
to us
> the extreme power of House Elves?  Is it even possible that... 
House Elves
> can *block* Avada Kedavra??!

In the book CoS, JKR has the character of Lucius Malfoy lunging for 
Harry.  Then Dobby's magic sends him backward and he crashes down 
the stairs three at a time and ends up on the landing.  "AK" is 
never uttered.  The scene in the film is a case of the filmmakers 
mucking up JKR's woderful story thread with excessive misplaced 
drama.  As of GoF, according to JKR, NOTHING can stop AK except 
apparently the protection Lily Potter gave to Harry with her own 
life. We just don't know yet and there have been no other hints in 
canon that I've seen. 
 :-)  Nia




From plumeski at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 16:14:42 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:14:42 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc. -- Cuaron
In-Reply-To: <as7ubj+n9s4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as83pi+roh@eGroups.com>

Nia wrote in response to my objections about McGonagall getting 
Binns' scene telling the kids about the Chamber:

> There are some rational reasons for their 
> choices: To have Smith tell the students the Chamber had been 
> opened fifty years before would have meant they had to cut out or 
> completely alter a scene they both liked (Harry going into the 
> diary) and to alter that would have thrown off the rest of the 
> story thread too. 

Yes well, that's why movies are "adaptations" of books - making a 
movie out of a book isn't just a question of filming the "best bits". 
In any case, whilst having McGonagall do the exposition would make 
the flashback less important in driving the story forward, it 
wouldn't be entirely unnecessary - it introduces Riddle and Aragog 
and makes a lot of structural sense, drawing parallels between Riddle 
and Harry. The flashback's focus would have been slightly different.

I've thought about it some more, and exposition of the true history 
wouldn't have removed the need for the flashback; what it would have 
removed would have been the whole Polyjuice sequence, because the 
Trio would have had no reason to suspect Malfoy. 

As we know, the introduction of Polyjuice and how it works is VERY 
important for GoF, so I will amend my original suggestion, and scrap 
the idea of McGonagall suggesting that Hagrid opened the Chamber and 
was expelled. In any case, McGonagall knows (or at least, she 
*should* know, if she's doing her job properly!) that the Trio have a 
soft spot for him, so she wouldn't accuse him that way. 

All she needs to do is to confirm the Chamber's existence, that it 
was opened once before, and that it houses a "monster".

<snip - Cuaron>

> Although I agree with your other comments about his creative 
> storytelling, you make it seem as if Cuaron uses the pans as 
> mindlessly as Columbus.  

Sorry, a small misunderstanding here. Perhaps the way I phrased 
things was a bit off; I made two separate points but put tem in the 
same sentence. I dislike Columbus's over-used Hogwarts overviews as 
transition scenes, on which I think we're agreed. :-) 

The separate point was about his downward vertical pans, which didn't 
annoy me as much as they did you. All I was pointing out is that I've 
noticed that whilst most directors would use upward and downward pans 
fairly evenly, Columbus has a definite leaning towards downward ones, 
whilst Cuaron seems to prefer upward ones. I wasn't assigning 
artistic value to one or the other (both are objectively equally 
valid), just making an observation.

There is actually one (rare) upward pan in CoS which annoys the hell 
out of me. When the kids come across petrified Mrs Norris, they see 
the writing on wall reflected in the water before they look up. In 
any other hands, that pan could have been an artistic flourish. In 
Columbus's, it simply doesn't work.

While I'm on the subject of filming styles, another observation. One  
basic element of filming kids: to bring the viewers into the kids' 
world and to give them a childrens'-eye-view of world, you put the 
camera at chest height! Every bloody photography manual goes on at 
length about that, so how come after so many kids' films, has 
Columbus not learned it?

This is a basic failing on Columbus's part: he just loves putting his 
camera in a crane so much that we're perpetually looking down on the 
kids (intercut with ultra-close ups of their faces). This causes a 
great deal of emotional distance, and one thing Columbus should have 
done before attempting PS/SS was to see his erstwhile mentor's E.T., 
the vast majority of which is filmed from (adult) waist height. 

This is something Cuaron seems to understand instinctively. The two 
parts of his Great Expectations use very different camera moves and 
camera angles: during the first half, when the the main characters 
are kids, the camera is at their eye level most of the time 
(especially when looking at adults); once we cut to adult Finn, the 
camera becomes much more fluid.

It's those kinds of things, apart from Cuaron's much more astute 
story-telling abilities, to which I'm looking forward. And although 
I've not had the chance to see his approach to major action 
sequences, I'm expecting him to be better than Columbus. Then again, 
off the top of my head there aren't any real action set-pieces in PoA 
besides the three Quidditch matches (which I fully expect to be cut 
down to two if not one, though I fail to see how, as each one raises 
an important plot point!) so Cuaron might not be stretched too far...





From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 29 16:27:30 2002
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:27:30 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc. -- Cuaron
In-Reply-To: <as7ubj+n9s4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <as84hi+8829@eGroups.com>

---  "Nia"  wrote:
> Although I agree with your other comments about his creative 
> storytelling, you make it seem as if Cuaron uses the pans as 
> mindlessly as Columbus.  There is absolutely no rational or 
artistic 
> reason behind Columbus' downward vertical pans other than he 
> saw "Fellowship of the Rings" and copied its (original and 
creative) 
> style.  Cuaron is a perceptive artist who carefully sets up scenes 
> in a kind of visual shorthand.  He allows us to meet and understand 
> the characters he is depicting -- he makes us see them as people, 
> not just as 'types.'  His camera work is never as obvious and phony 
> as Columbus'.  And, if you have noticed a leaning toward upward 
pans-
> -if he can make the story ring true and make us feel and understand 
> the characters' motivations, if he can create a film that finally 
> respects all the carefully crafted emotional nuances of JKR's 
> writing--does the way he accomplishes it really matter?
> --Nia

As far as I can remember, Cuaron does have a tendency to use upward 
pans. But he uses them wisely. He allows the audience to see things 
from the characters' perspective while Columbus' downward verticle 
pans only show you people walking into nicely constructed sets. But 
in situations when these upward verticles pans don't work to good 
effects, I am sure Cuaron would be smart enough to abandon them. 

Cuaron is, indeed, very good with visuals. Although I do not consider 
Great Expectations his better work, I was still struck by how 
beautiful it looked (and how well the music blended into the scenes). 
He's also good at telling stories with camera works and delivering 
subtle emotions and messages. So even if Kloves doesn't improve in 
the next film, we can at least expect PoA to be a great visual treat 
and an emotional film. Now if only Kloves can manage to write a 
story...

VJH





From editor at texas.net  Fri Nov 29 17:21:00 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:21:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
References: <as7vrf+d817@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004801c297cb$b0aedbc0$8305a6d8@texas.net>

Nia said:

> In the book CoS, JKR has the character of Lucius Malfoy lunging for
> Harry.  Then Dobby's magic sends him backward and he crashes down
> the stairs three at a time and ends up on the landing.  "AK" is
> never uttered.  The scene in the film is a case of the filmmakers
> mucking up JKR's woderful story thread with excessive misplaced
> drama.  As of GoF, according to JKR, NOTHING can stop AK except
> apparently the protection Lily Potter gave to Harry with her own
> life. We just don't know yet and there have been no other hints in
> canon that I've seen.

I've been  meaning to point this out, too; thanks to Nia! Lucius, in this
scene, does not actually utter the entire spell, so it is not technically
true that Dobby blocks "Avada Kedavra." Dobby gets his spell off before
Lucius does, so the conclusion here would be more that Dobby is the better
dueler. I think the canon point that nothing can block AK can stand.

~Amanda






From illyana at mindspring.com  Fri Nov 29 18:25:14 2002
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:25:14 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Most Annoyed
In-Reply-To: <004501c29789$c9ae6b00$0e010001@jmd2000>
References: <as6m5s+4lgj@eGroups.com> <a05200a02ba0cb8fcf2b5@[10.0.1.11]>
 <004501c29789$c9ae6b00$0e010001@jmd2000>
Message-ID: <a05200a03ba0d615f047e@[10.0.1.11]>

oh! thanks so much! i saw the link on TLC, too, but i am glad you 
posted it here so everyone can watch.

illyana


>Here's a link, but it's not a transcript. It's a 25 min "video webchat".
>RealPlayer seems to have trouble connecting though, so I dunno if it's me or
>the BBC.
>
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/chat/hotseat/newsid_2516000/2516865.stm>http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/chat/hotseat/newsid_2516000/2516865.stm
>

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From divaclv at aol.com  Fri Nov 29 23:15:26 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 23:15:26 -0000
Subject: House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
In-Reply-To: <004801c297cb$b0aedbc0$8305a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <as8see+j3ki@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> I've been  meaning to point this out, too; thanks to Nia! Lucius, 
in this
> scene, does not actually utter the entire spell, so it is not 
technically
> true that Dobby blocks "Avada Kedavra." Dobby gets his spell off 
before
> Lucius does, so the conclusion here would be more that Dobby is the 
better
> dueler. I think the canon point that nothing can block AK can stand.
> 
> ~Amanda

Exactly.  Everytime someone casts a spell in the films, we don't see 
it working until *after* the incantation is said both completely and 
accurately (as far as I know, this is consistent with book cannon, 
too).  And even with the proper incantation, the spell may not work 
if there isn't enough power and/or focus to fuel it--see, for 
example, the half-transfigured objects that always get produced in 
McGonagall's classes.  So I'm pretty sure AK is only "unblockable" 
when it's cast properly--and since Lucius never completed the 
incantation, the spell was never actually cast.  Also, if I remember 
correctly, the trademark green light that AK gives off is never 
present in the scene, which would be further evidence of the spell 
not being truly in effect.

~Christi




From pennylin at swbell.net  Sat Nov 30 04:30:34 2002
From: pennylin at swbell.net (Penny Linsenmayer)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 22:30:34 -0600
Subject: ADMIN: Reminder re: Posting rules
Message-ID: <048001c29829$39dc86b0$4f5ffea9@cq5hs01>

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From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 30 11:38:40 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:38:40 -0000
Subject: JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <as6j03+cjqr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <asa800+p3ci@eGroups.com>

Richard wrote:
 
> I paid attention to that scene at the cinema today - the woman at 
> King's Cross is *NOT* JKR. The only thing they have in common is 
> blonde hair.

I've heard no substantiation whatsoever of the rumor that she had a 
cameo.  Can anyone cite the source?

Amy Z




From wmginnypowell at msn.com  Sat Nov 30 12:18:05 2002
From: wmginnypowell at msn.com (Ginny Powell)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:18:05 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc. -- Cuaron
In-Reply-To: <as83pi+roh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <asaa9t+6mef@eGroups.com>

I've only seen the film once so far.  I hope I'm still qualified to 
comment. :-)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "GulPlum" <plumeski at y...> wrote:
>This is a basic failing on Columbus's part: he just loves putting 
his 
>camera in a crane so much that we're perpetually looking down on 
the 
>kids (intercut with ultra-close ups of their faces). 

I felt CC used the camera in "creative ways" to avoid showing the 
kids standing next to the adults.  Why?  Because they were taller 
than many of them!  Or at least of a comparable height, and since 
often the scene depends on the adult looking down and oozing 
authority, this is important.  It is also necessary in scenes with 
Hagrid, since Coltrane isn't nearly as tall as Hagrid is supposed to 
be.  CC had already established the use of weird angles to try to 
make him look taller in PS/SS.

Ginny (not THAT Ginny), whose 5-year-old is convinced she's a 
Parseltongue




From penumbra10 at ameritech.net  Sat Nov 30 14:54:19 2002
From: penumbra10 at ameritech.net (Nia)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:54:19 -0000
Subject: Random thoughts about the movie, etc. -- Cuaron
In-Reply-To: <asaa9t+6mef@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <asajer+ejgd@eGroups.com>

Ginny wrote, responding to GulPlum's comments:

<snip>
> I felt CC used the camera in "creative ways" to avoid showing the 
> kids standing next to the adults.  Why?  Because they were taller 
> than many of them!  Or at least of a comparable height, and since 
> often the scene depends on the adult looking down and oozing 
> authority, this is important.  It is also necessary in scenes with 
> Hagrid, since Coltrane isn't nearly as tall as Hagrid is supposed 
to 
> be.<snip>

  Although I wouldn't presume to speak for "GulPlum,"  he is 
absolutely spot on about the emotional distance caused by Columbus' 
excessive crane shots.  Since none of the trio, despite all the 
media blather to the contrary, has grown enough to match any of the 
adult actors' height, Columbus cannot be defended for that reason.  
Also, the illusion of Hagrid's height is created by the same digital 
effect used in LOTR to make the hobbits appear small. Camera angles 
are irrelevant. (He and Harry are filmed from a variety of angles in 
Ps/SS) I know that those of us who have read and loved the books 
already feel very, very attached to all the characters, but to 
someone seeing this film "cold," Columbus' shot choices (overused) 
distance us.  It has the effect os making us into dispassionate 
observers rather than participants.

Now, your commment about the adults "oozing" authority does have 
merit, especially in the scene with Lucius Malfoy, since he is such 
a domineering and imposing character.  In the scenes in McGonagall's 
classroom, having her stand and the children all sit is quite enough 
to establish her authority.  Dumbledore is imposing already.  
Costune choices and the late Richard Harris' height all take care of 
that.  It's the use of the crane shots when unnecessary that 
contributes to depriving the audience of being drawn into the story 
as we were by the books.  You cannot feel a character's deepest 
emotions when "you are looking down on him."

IMO the underlying point to all of the criticisms of Columbus' work 
is that he had in his hands all the raw materials to transport his 
audience--to make a film that was utterly magical. Although I cannot 
deny that the movie was beautiful to look at, it's soul was missing, 
and creating a film with a soul is in all the little details.  :-)
--Nia 




From divaclv at aol.com  Sat Nov 30 16:13:02 2002
From: divaclv at aol.com (c_voth312)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:13:02 -0000
Subject: JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <asa800+p3ci@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <asao2e+ma2t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amy Z" <lupinesque at y...> wrote:
> I've heard no substantiation whatsoever of the rumor that she had a 
> cameo.  Can anyone cite the source?
> 
> Amy Z

The only place I've read about it is that goldmine of all things 
film, the Internet Movie Database (www.imdb.com).  It's in 
the "trivia" section of the CoS page.
IMDb is *usually* reliable in their information, but they have been 
known to make mistakes.  If the JKR cameo is indeed a false rumor, 
they'll probably retract the comment.

~Christi




From manda at qx.net  Sat Nov 30 19:41:50 2002
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:41:50 -0800
Subject: JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <1038666025.2949.79867.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <3DE8A3FE.5886.1EAA570@localhost>

"Amy Z" <lupinesque at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I've heard no substantiation whatsoever of the rumor that she had a
> cameo.  Can anyone cite the source?

The IMDb. The same site that has "Never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see 
where it keeps its brain" in its list of movie quotes. (Hello.. book, not movie!) I love the IMDb 
but they're not always reliable. I looked the last time I saw the movie, but I couldn't tell if it was 
JKR or not. I doubt it. I thought I spotted the HP books in the store window, though!

http://us.imdb.com/Trivia?0295297

Someone earlier in the thread (sorry, lost track of who) mentioned that the woman talking to 
the train station guard in the first film looks a lot like the actress playing Lily. I noticed that too 
and it's always bugged me. I hope it wasn't intentional.

Manda
--
http://www.MandaMia.com




From lorocolo at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 30 16:43:35 2002
From: lorocolo at hotmail.com (oradork)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:43:35 -0000
Subject: House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
In-Reply-To: <as7vrf+d817@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <asaprn+m080@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Nia" <penumbra10 at a...> wrote:
  The scene in the film is a case of the filmmakers 
> mucking up JKR's woderful story thread with excessive misplaced 
> drama.  As of GoF, according to JKR, NOTHING can stop AK except 
> apparently the protection Lily Potter gave to Harry with her own 
> life. We just don't know yet and there have been no other hints in 
> canon that I've seen. 
>  :-)  Nia

Just as a side note, JKR helped write the script and she was heavily 
involved in that process, just not the filming process.  Who knows, 
maybe she was the one that added that bit.  Like in hind sight, she 
wanted to change some bits about her books but alas, its too late 
now.  So, she added or changed some bits in the movies to her liking.




From editor at texas.net  Sat Nov 30 17:18:36 2002
From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:18:36 -0600
Subject: JKR's involvement, was House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
References: <asaprn+m080@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001901c29894$85a59bc0$1305a6d8@texas.net>

Oradork, He Who Does Not Sign Posts, said

> Just as a side note, JKR helped write the script and she was heavily
> involved in that process, just not the filming process.  Who knows,
> maybe she was the one that added that bit.  Like in hind sight, she
> wanted to change some bits about her books but alas, its too late
> now.  So, she added or changed some bits in the movies to her liking.

This seems to be a pervasive rumor. Heidi Tandy, an editor of the Leaky
Cauldron, has been in a great position to actually have the scoop on this,
since they see just about all the articles quoting JKR about the films.
Here's a paraphrase of what Heidi told me:

1. JKR had script approval for both films. BUT
    (a) she didn't see PS/SS in final form until less than a month before
its release
    (b) while she made a number of set visits during PS/SS filming, she only
went on-set once for all of CoS.

2. Both Steve Kloves and Chris Columbus have said several times that she had
much less to do with CoS than with the first movie.

3. Unlike the first film, she did not write any additional scenes this time.

4. Even though she's spoken with moviemakers, video game people, the trading
card game people, etc., presumably to help them be faithful to her vision,
she has *not* gone back and added any additional information to the books
already out there (including the two schoolbooks).

So, she wasn't there for filming, she hasn't helped write the script, she
didn't add anything (other than that scene in the first movie), and she
didn't edit the film. True, she has not criticized it, but I don't consider
a lack of public complaint to be a positive confirmation that changed or
added things are correct.

The films are interpretations of JKR's work, not JKR's work itself.

~Amanda





From plumeski at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 30 18:40:39 2002
From: plumeski at yahoo.com (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:40:39 -0000
Subject: JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <3DE8A3FE.5886.1EAA570@localhost>
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Amanda Pressnell wrote:

<snip>

> Someone earlier in the thread (sorry, lost track of who) mentioned
> that the woman talking to the train station guard in the first film 
> looks a lot like the actress playing Lily. I noticed that too 
> and it's always bugged me. I hope it wasn't intentional.

To be perfectly honest, I see absolutely no similarity whatsoever, 
apart from their both being women. The blonde woman at Kings Cross 
looks nothing like Geraldine Somerville who played Lily in the first 
movie.

-- 
GulPlum AKA RIchard, who is prepared to admit to having had the hots 
for Ms. Somerville in her Cracker days (in which she played opposite 
a certain Robbie Coltrane...).  :-)







From lorocolo at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 30 18:58:48 2002
From: lorocolo at hotmail.com (oradork)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:58:48 -0000
Subject: JKR's involvement, was House Elves and Unforgivable Curses
In-Reply-To: <001901c29894$85a59bc0$1305a6d8@texas.net>
Message-ID: <asb1p8+6e1v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at y..., "Amanda Geist" <editor at t...> wrote:
> 
> This seems to be a pervasive rumor. Heidi Tandy, an editor of the 
Leaky
> Cauldron, has been in a great position to actually have the scoop 
on this,
> since they see just about all the articles quoting JKR about the 
films.
> 
> The films are interpretations of JKR's work, not JKR's work itself.
> 
> ~Amanda

I'm basing what I said on what JKR said herself during the CoS 
premier in London that was broadcast live.  She said herself that 
she helped write it and was busy getting married and working on the 
script with Steve, hence why she hadn't gotten book 5 out on time.




From lupinesque at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 30 18:59:55 2002
From: lupinesque at yahoo.com (Amy Z)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:59:55 -0000
Subject: JKR cameo in CoS?
In-Reply-To: <3DE8A3FE.5886.1EAA570@localhost>
Message-ID: <asb1rb+n27e@eGroups.com>

Amanda wrote:

> The IMDb. The same site that has "Never trust anything that can 
think for itself, if you can't see 
> where it keeps its brain" in its list of movie quotes. (Hello.. 
book, not movie!) 

Maybe it's a list of "great lines that *should* be in a movie but 
aren't"?

I love the IMDb 
> but they're not always reliable. 

No, they're not; their sources are fans, which can make them a great 
compilation of little-known facts, but also makes them completely 
unreliable, especially since when you click on trivia you don't even 
have any way of knowing who submitted it.  Any one of us can go there 
right now and put in information about anything at all--e.g., for a 
while IMDB claimed that Daniel Radcliffe's birthday was the same as 
Harry's and JKR's, which was completely made up.  (It's in July.  
That's as far as the coincidence stretches.)

A fan with an in with BBC Newsround has suggested it to Lizo as a 
question the next time he interviews JKR.

Amy Z
who feels the same way about her computer that Arthur Weasley feels 
about clever magical objects




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 30 22:42:23 2002
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (erisedstraeh2002)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:42:23 -0000
Subject: COS SPOILERS - My Thoughts (*Very* Long!)
Message-ID: <asbesh+6sco@eGroups.com>

I wanted to formulate my own opinion of the movie, so I haven't been 
reading the posts since the movie opened.  Since I'm probably the 
last listie to see the movie, much of what I'm going to say is 
probably repetitive of others, but I wanted to formulate my own 
opinion without reading those of others first.  So I apologize if 
what I'm writing is largely repetitive of what others have already 
said, but hopefully you'll find something new here.

Hopefully, that was enough spoiler space...

Overall ? I loved the movie.  I thought it was much better than the 
first movie.  The main reason I liked it so much was because it was 
so true to the book ? the dialogue was nearly identical, and I found 
myself mentally reading along with the script (since I have the book 
basically memorized!).  Since I think the book is fabulously written, 
I like nothing more than when the dialogue is identical to what JKR 
originally wrote.

I knew I was going to like the movie when I saw Petunia in the 
opening scene wearing a salmon-pink cocktail dress.  That told me 
that the movie was going to pay incredible attention to the small 
details JKR provided in the book.

Dobby was just as I had imagined him.  Since I knew he was a computer 
image, I was amazed at how real he seemed and how Harry could 
actually grab him.  I would have liked to see Dobby give the "He Who 
Must Not Be Named" clue, though.

I also liked how Uncle Vernon fell out of the window.  The more 
horrible things that happen to the Dursleys, the better IMO!  I also 
loved having the pudding fall on Mrs. Mason's head instead of on the 
kitchen floor ? it just made it all the more awful.  

This doesn't mean I didn't think of ways in which the movie could be 
improved...

For one, where was the owl delivering the notice that Harry had 
broken the decree restricting underage wizardry?  That was an 
important plot point that was missed.

I also missed being told that the Weasley's house is called the 
Burrow, and I did so want to see Ron's Chudley Cannon-bedecked room.  
I also missed the de-gnoming.

I think it would have been neat to accompany Harry on his Floo powder 
journey.  I think it was OK that they didn't include the Borgin and 
Burkes scene, but they needed to make mention of Lucius Malfoy's ties 
to Voldemort and his possession of Dark Arts materials somewhere else 
in the movie to make up for this omission, and they failed to do so.  
The point could have been made when Harry and Ron visited Draco under 
polyjuice, but it wasn't brought up there, either.

Knockturn Alley was just as creepy as I had imagined.

I was disappointed that Arthur and Lucius didn't brawl ? it would 
have made great theater!  Lucius was extremely well cast ? he just 
exuded evilness.

I was so happy when the Anglia ejected Harry, Ron and their 
possessions ? it was just as I had imagined it.  The Whomping Willow 
didn't look anything like a willow tree, though, and it still looked 
menancing even when it wasn't whomping anything.

I wanted more Snape ? I wanted him to catch Harry and Ron badmouthing 
him from outside the Great Hall when the Sorting was underway; I 
wanted to hear him say "The train isn't good enough for the famous 
Harry Potter and his faithful sidekick Weasley;" I wanted to hear him 
say at the Duelling Club, "Time to split up the dream team."

The Howler was much louder than it was in the previews, and met my 
expectations this time.

The mandrake scene was great ? but the students acted as if they 
could hear them screaming even though their earmuffs were on.  And 
why were the Gryffindors with the Slytherins instead of the 
Hufflepuffs ? this is where Harry finds out Justin is Muggle-born, 
and it was entirely missed.  In fact, if you hadn't read the book, 
you wouldn't have known that Justin was Muggle-born, or gotten the 
connection between Harry supposedly sending the snake his way at the 
Duelling Club.  In fact, it's only after Justin is petrified that 
Harry even mentions his name, and if I hadn't read the book, I 
wouldn't have known who he was talking about.

The slugs were just as gross as I had expected ? even more so, for 
they were about three times larger than I had envisioned!  And Rupert 
looked just as green as a person who's really sick to their stomach ? 
just perfect!

I thought the movie made a big omission by not mentioning that Filch 
is a squib.  If you hadn't read the book, you wouldn't know that his 
being a squib was the reason Mrs. Norris was attacked.  And I have a 
sneaky suspicion Filch's squib-ness is going to be a plot point in a 
later book.

The movie missed Halloween entirely!  And important things always 
happen in the books on Halloween.  I could do without the Deathday 
party (although it would have been neat to see it), but Halloween 
needed to be mentioned.

I thought they should have stuck with the book and had Dumbledore 
examine Mrs. Norris before declaring her petrified rather than dead ? 
how could he tell from a distance?

The scene where the students were turning their animals into goblets ?
Ron turns Scabbers into a hairy cup with a tail ? but since Scabbers 
is really Peter Pettigrew in animagus form, how could a spell that's 
designed for animals turn him into a cup?

I loved some of the lines they added ? when Draco says to Harry!
Goyle "I didn't know you could read;" when Lucius describes the 
Weasleys as having "vacant expressions;" when Harry tells Ron (when 
they're fighting the spiders) "Where's Hermione when you need her?"

I wondered where Gred and Forge were during the Quidditch match when 
Harry was struggling to avoid the rouge bludger?

They omitted the scene where Hermione steals the boomslang skin from 
Snape's private stores ? since this is a plot point in GoF, it will 
be interesting to see how it's handled then.

The handling of the Parseltongue was a little troubling, since the 
voice in the walls spoke English but Harry and Riddle both spoke the 
hissing language.  Plus, it's inconsistent with how Harry spoke to 
the snake in SS (since he spoke English then).  And we had no idea 
what they were saying, since it wasn't translated.  I think it would 
have worked better to have all of the Parseltongue scenes be 
consistent ? either all English (with a hissing accent), or all 
Parseltongue (with English subtitles).

My biggest issues were with the Duelling Club scene.  All of the 
spells simply blasted the opponent off of his feet, regardless of 
what they were.  Lockhart still possessed his wand after Snape's 
Expelliarmus, even though the whole point of Expelliarms is to disarm 
the opponent.  Since Expelliarmus is used again in both PoA and GoF, 
it will be interesting to see how the movie-makers handle it then.  
Also, Harry's Rictusempra is a Tickling Charm, but Draco certainly 
wasn't laughing.  And Snape is supposed to tell Draco how to do the 
Serpensortia spell ? how could Draco dream that one up himself??  
Also, how does Hermione get the cat hair off of Millicent Bulstrode's 
robes when she doesn't wrestle her at the Duelling Club?  If you 
haven't read the book, would you have known who Hermione was talking 
about when she mentioned Millicent?

The scene where the Trio is studying and everyone is staring at them ?
where was that supposed to be?  I couldn't tell.  It didn't look like 
a class or the library.

Was the stone statue in front of Dumbledore's office supposed to be a 
griffin?  I hope so, since there was no griffin brass door knocker 
and the Gryffindor connection with the office (and Fawkes, IMO) is 
important.

I thought it was interesting that they used the UK version of the 
book when McGonagall gave the password to Dumbledore's office 
("Sherbet Lemon" instead of the US "Lemon Drop").  Also, in the 
Chamber, Riddle asks Harry how a "baby with no extraordinary magical 
talent" defeated Voldemort, which is also the UK version ? the US 
version says "skinny little boy" instead of "baby."  Also, when 
Lucius shows up to see Dumbledore at the end, Dobby isn't in the 
middle of cleaning his shoes, which is how the UK versions have it.

I hadn't envisioned Dumbledore's office being so cluttered.  Plus 
there's no mention of books being all over the walls in the book, 
although they didn't seem out of place (since Dumbledore says in SS 
that everyone gives him books for Christmas).

I would have preferred Harry to have put the Sorting Hat on his head 
when he spoke to it in Dumbledore's office, rather than talking to it 
on the shelf.  Also, I would have preferred the sword to come out of 
the hat while Harry was wearing it in the Chamber rather than to have 
it appear out of thin air.

Dumbledore tells Harry about the healing tears of the phoenix and the 
ability of the phoenix to carry heavy loads, but they left out the 
statement about phoenixes making "highly faithful pets."  Also, in 
Hagrid's hut before Hagrid is taken to Azkaban, Dumbledore doesn't 
say "You will find that I have only truly left this school when none 
here are loyal to me."  These two statements are so important to 
Fawkes' arrival in the Chamber that I was surprised to see them 
omitted, especially since the surrounding text was used verbatim.

Fawkes was less menancing than the production pictures I'd seen, and 
more like the peaceful bird I'd envisioned.  I would have liked to 
see him more scarlet and less orange-red, though.

Hagrid's appearing in Dumbledore's office doesn't make a lot of sense 
since they deleted the part where Harry runs into Hagrid right before 
Justin is attacked.  Also, while we see that Hagrid is carrying 
something, it's hard to tell that it's a dead rooster, and there are 
no references to the crowing of the rooster being fatal to the 
Basilisk.

The previews showed Harry and Ron dragging the drugged Crabbe and 
Goyle into the broom closet, but they must have cut this scene in the 
movie.

When Harry finds Riddle's diary, we're not told that it's 50 years 
told.  I think that omission makes it harder for a viewer who hasn't 
read the book to make the connection with the prior opening of the 
Chamber.

Why doesn't Fudge come to Dumbledore's defense in Hagrid's hut?  It's 
a much more evil (or passive?) Fudge in the movie than in the book.

The spiders were much scarier than the previews had led me to 
believe ? Aragog was just the right size (huge!).  I wish they hadn't 
made up that spell that Harry used on them, though.  I can understand 
why they'd have to make up a freezing charm for Hermione to 
immobilize the pixies, but the Anglia could have just rescued Harry 
and Ron in the forest.  I also wish the car had driven Harry and Ron 
away itself rather than Ron flying it away.

Rupert's the best actor of the three, IMO ? he was absolutely 
fantastic in the forest.  His fear was just so palpable.  They didn't 
tell us that his childhood memory of Fred (or was it George?) 
changing his teddy bear into a spider is why he hates spiders so 
much, though.

The actor playing Riddle was great ? so innocent looking on the 
outside, but so thoroughly evil on the inside.  But I would have 
liked to see a blurry Riddle coming more and more into focus in the 
Chamber.

There's always been a question about why Harry didn't talk 
Parseltongue to the Basilisk ? they handle this in the movie when 
Riddle tells Harry at the end that he (Riddle) alone can control the 
Basilisk.  In the book, Professor Binns also tells the students that 
the Heir of Slytherin alone can control the Basilisk ? so is this the 
answer?  Harry is led to believe he can't control the Basilisk, even 
though he can speak Parseltongue?  But then Riddle only gives the 
Basilisk an initial command ? not the repetitive commands that are so 
effective in creating fear in the book.

I had a hard time seeing Fawkes piercing the Basilisk's eyes.

I think it would have been more effective if they had stuck with the 
sequence of events in the Chamber that are in the book ? where Fawkes 
heals Harry's wound while Riddle looks on.  I think it's important, 
as it demonstrates that Voldemort is fallible and can forget things 
like the healing tears of the phoenix (along with forgetting the 
protection provided by the Lily sacrifice and whatever it is that 
using Harry's blood in his recreation potion is to mean).

When Fawkes leads them all upwards ? why do we see the moon?  
Shouldn't they be returning up the pipe to Myrtle's bathroom?

When Dumbledore talks to Harry at the end, he doesn't explain that 
Voldemort is the last remaining descendant of Slytherin, and he 
refers to Harry having qualities that Voldemort prized, rather than 
Slytherin.  I liked it better in the book, as the whole point is to 
prove that Harry is not Slytherin's descendant ? Voldemort is.

Now, the hug ? I was surprised by this.  Not so much that Hermione 
and Harry would hug, but that Hermione and Ron would not.  I suppose 
this is foreshadowing for GoF, but we really don't get a sense of 
something going on between Hermione and Ron in CoS (at least, not in 
the movie ? there are a couple of hints in the book).  If anything, 
it's more a sense of something going on between Hermione and Harry, 
the way the movie portrays it (I'm thinking of how Harry caresses 
Hermione's hand while she's laying petrified in the hospital wing, 
and how pleased they are to see each other in Diagon Alley).

On a personal level, one of the highlights for me was when the little 
boy in the row in back of me yelled "Harry Potter did it!" after 
Harry killed the Basilisk.  Also, how my four-year old daughter 
commented on how deep Harry and Ron's voices had become!

In summary, I can't wait for the video to come out so I can watch it 
over and over again without paying a small fortune each time!

~Phyllis
who appreciates her husband taking the kids on 4 bathroom breaks 
during the movie so she could watch without interruption