From tubadave at normalview.com Fri Aug 1 00:35:20 2003 From: tubadave at normalview.com (tubadave) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 00:35:20 -0000 Subject: PoA music...not that we have a choice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: (First of all, hello to everyone, as this is my first post in any of the Yahoo HPFGU-related groups. I have yet to delurk over on the main HPFGU group, but I since I have some background in classical music....as indicated by the handle....I couldn't resist commenting here. As for me, I'm 27, from Texas, and just picked up and read the entire HP series within the last several weeks, and then immediately went out and bought the movies. Needless to say, I'm hooked.) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote: > Am I the only one who simply can't hear a John Williams's score > alongside the pictures of PoA that were all excitedly viewing. Don't > get me wrong, I enjoy Williams's music-- I do, but to quote our > beloved potions master (and to direct that quote toward John > Williams) "you have no subtlety...." Argh! > > I just don't hear his music when I think about the dark and > foreboding sort of things that fill PoA. I can see where one might think this way, but in response I would say to you these two words: Schindler's List. tubadave From vincentjh at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 02:48:51 2003 From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:48:51 -0000 Subject: Clothes/ Re: Maggie Daniel picture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Scott" wrote: > --Also notice that Hermione appears to be carrying some sort of > messenger bag which makes a lot of sense if she's going to > Hogsmeade. I really like the look of this (and all the other > photos), and the more I see of their new clothes the more and more I > like them. In any case Hermione's pink jacket looks *much* better > than that horrible outfit she wore for the climax of PS/SS with the > white stockings...urgh! > > I do think these pictures look much more natural. I just hope that > it's going to be as good as it appears it will... I like the way they are not trying to make Hermione look like a stereotypical British school girl. Honestly, I cringed when I saw her plaided skirt and white stocking in SS/PS. > BTW, I saw "A Little Princess" recently and it was really quite > good. I know people have discussed this before, but if you haven't > seen it I recommend that you do. > > Also is "Y Tu Mama Tambien" any good? I know it's supposedly quite > erotic, but I haven't heard anyone say whether it's a good film. > (I'd like to see it, but one can't find any foreign titles in this > town). > > Scott "Y Tu Mama Tambien" is a bold film with a lot of energy, heart, and sincerety. It might be too bold for some people because of those explicit scenes. (I won't call them erotic, though. They are more like honest treatment of adolscent sexual fantasies and expiriences-- not always pretty or good.) Coming from Cuaron, the movie is beatifully shot and the music blends well into the picture. What's amazing is that Cuaron manages to situate the teenagers and the foreign woman's advanture and life in the broader context of contemporary Mexico without distracting the audience or sugarcoating the class/gender/political issues. I love how the life and cold realities of the country unfolds along the trio's journey while the teenagers are too busy with their own dreams that they do not even notice the devastating landscapes around them until, at the end, the audience as well as the teenagers are forced to take a good look at the social division that separates as well as confines them. Some people mentioned earlier that they hope Cuaron would keep his political views to himself. However, from The Little Princess, Great Expectations, all the way to Y Tu Mama Tambien, what makes Cuaron's films stand out is, partly, his humanitarian concern and his keen awareness as well as criticism on inequality, class, social division, and power struggle. This kind of political awareness is, in fact, in the same vein with some of HP's political messages. And I, for one, is grateful that Cuaron might be able to inject just the right amount of social/political criticism into the film like JKR does in the books. -VJH- From glcherry at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 1 02:59:58 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 02:59:58 -0000 Subject: Newsweek Photos Message-ID: Okay, I'm prepared to eat a little crow. I was one of those not too happy about Oldman playing Sirius. Not that I thought he was a bad actor mind you, but I just couldn't picture him in my mind. He's looking pretty good to me tho from what I've seen so far. BUT, and it's big one...what is up with Thewlis? I expected his hair to be at least to the top of his shoulders. He looks so...preppy? for want of a better word. I saw a picture of him somewhere else, will try to find the link for it, and in that photo he looked perfect. How I imagined he would for PoA. As for the kids clothes. Sorry, looks too 2000ish to me. Why can't the Movie be out before June 2004? The Special Effects people should be able to finish faster than that. Okay, I understand no Thanksgiving (pouts) but c'mon. Have a little mercy on us out here after the debacle (for ME!) OF OoP, I need this Movie badly!!!! Okay, having chocolate now, feeling better Lorrie Member U.S.S. SAD DENIAL From vincentjh at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 03:11:28 2003 From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:11:28 -0000 Subject: Thewlis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've mentioned this a few months back when Thewlis was first cast (and there was a lot of objections on the choice)-- If you're interested in watching Thewlis play a gentle character, check out "Besieged" (and maybe "Black Beauty"). He plays the lead character in "Besieged" in a subtle, unassuming way that makes him very likable. At the same time, he also manages to project just enough of the inner struggles going on within the character and build up the (sexual) tension between him and the lead female. (I'll make my judgement on whether or not he's the right Lupin until the film comes out.) -VJH- From lmbolland at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 01:32:47 2003 From: lmbolland at earthlink.net (eric_and_lauri) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 01:32:47 -0000 Subject: uploaded pic of Thewlis - from his fansite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Earlier today I sent a link (which my DH had sent us upon first hearing Thewlis was cast as Lupin) and I commented that my kids and I thought the promo pic on that fansite did indeed look Lupin-esque. Since the site is so difficult to get into, I uploaded it to the files section of HPFGU-movie here: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/lst (it's the 24th one) I'm curious, for those of you who said you were disappointed in the Shack pic (as was I) if this photo looks more like you expected?? Lauri From arboyko at shaw.ca Fri Aug 1 03:38:23 2003 From: arboyko at shaw.ca (Angela Boyko) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:38:23 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] uploaded pic of Thewlis - from his fansite References: Message-ID: <012b01c357de$5c791060$317f9244@cg.shawcable.net> > Since the site is so difficult to get into, I uploaded it to the > files section of HPFGU-movie here: > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/lst (it's the 24th > one) Now that's more like Lupin! Thanks Lauri. Angela @--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@--- at ---@ "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you will land among the stars," (attributed to Les Brown). AIM: angelamermaid MSN messenger: angelamermaid http://www.livejournal.com/users/angelamermaid/ From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Fri Aug 1 07:38:41 2003 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 07:38:41 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: 1. Neville and the boggart 2. Neville and the boggart 3. Neville and the boggart lol From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 10:23:31 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:23:31 -0000 Subject: Who should play Voldemort in GoF? Message-ID: I've read, somewhere, that Rowan Atkinson was being considered for the role of Voldemort for GoF. While he was deliciously evil as The Blackadder, I cannot see Mr. Bean as evil incarnate in Voldemort. Frankly, I would be giggling and waiting for some slapstick moment. My personal choice for the role...Brad Dourif. He has always played the most wonderful villains. Consider his portrayal of Pieter De Vries in Dune (the only reason that movie is worth watching). And how about his turn as Grimma Wormtongue in "The Two Towers". From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 1 13:59:29 2003 From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 13:59:29 -0000 Subject: PoA music...not that we have a choice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "tubadave" wrote: > > > Am I the only one who simply can't hear a John Williams's score > > alongside the pictures of PoA that were all excitedly viewing. > Don't > > get me wrong, I enjoy Williams's music-- I do, but to quote our > > beloved potions master (and to direct that quote toward John > > Williams) "you have no subtlety...." Argh! > > > > I just don't hear his music when I think about the dark and > > foreboding sort of things that fill PoA. > > > I can see where one might think this way, but in response I would say > to you these two words: Schindler's List. > > > tubadave I agree about Schindler's list and all the other good examples of Williams work - unfortunately the HP music is just not up to his best - I think it's rather twee. When I compare it to the other two epics that have been out at roughly the same time (LOTR of course) - Richard Williams' HP score cannot compare to Howard Shore's LOTR scores. It's as if they have refused to take the HP stories seriously and have firmly fixed them as kids' stuff only. June From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Aug 1 14:03:02 2003 From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:03:02 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" wrote: > 1. Neville and the boggart > 2. Neville and the boggart > 3. Neville and the boggart > > lol Snape going section 8 after Sirius escapes. Hopefully Alan Rickman might treat us to a timely reprise of either Hans Gruber or the Sherrif of Nottingham "I'll eat your liver - with a spoon!" June From FarligAranda at HPSLASH.zzn.com Fri Aug 1 14:11:28 2003 From: FarligAranda at HPSLASH.zzn.com (bellatrix_l) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:11:28 -0000 Subject: Clothes of '93? In-Reply-To: <56D2FEC2-C3A2-11D7-A841-0050E46E566F@noos.fr> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mathilde Bouhon wrote: > Well, Petra, the fact is, I think Bella was writing about their > *muggle* clothes, not their robes :) in which case I totally agree > with her (I was 12 in 93, and we didn't dress like that *at all*). Obviously I meant the muggle clothes! I thought that went without saying. Honestly... Mathilde, je t'embrasse! Otherwise it all looks fabulous. Hermione looks less like a doll and Harry's hair is better. I'm already disappointed that Alfonso won't be directing GoF! Bella From tubadave at normalview.com Fri Aug 1 15:24:03 2003 From: tubadave at normalview.com (tubadave) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:24:03 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" > wrote: > > 1. Neville and the boggart > > 2. Neville and the boggart > > 3. Neville and the boggart > > > > lol > > Snape going section 8 after Sirius escapes. Hopefully Alan Rickman > might treat us to a timely reprise of either Hans Gruber or the > Sherrif of Nottingham "I'll eat your liver - with a spoon!" > > June Two things I look forward to: 1) The Marauder's Map, and how they'll manage to squeeze seven floors of the castle and all the surrounding grounds and tunnels onto one piece of parchment. 2) Seeing Harry cast his Patronus for the first time. tubadave From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Fri Aug 1 15:28:19 2003 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (Dan Feeney) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:28:19 -0000 Subject: PoA music...not that we have a choice. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "tubadave" wrote: > > > > > Am I the only one who simply can't hear a John Williams's score > > > alongside the pictures of PoA that were all excitedly viewing. > > Don't > > > get me wrong, I enjoy Williams's music-- I do, but to quote our > > > beloved potions master (and to direct that quote toward John > > > Williams) "you have no subtlety...." Argh! > > > > > > I just don't hear his music when I think about the dark and > > > foreboding sort of things that fill PoA. > > > > > > I can see where one might think this way, but in response I would > say > > to you these two words: Schindler's List. > > > > > > tubadave > > I agree about Schindler's list and all the other good examples of > Williams work - unfortunately the HP music is just not up to his > best - I think it's rather twee. When I compare it to the other two > epics that have been out at roughly the same time (LOTR of course) - > Richard Williams' HP score cannot compare to Howard Shore's LOTR > scores. It's as if they have refused to take the HP stories > seriously and have firmly fixed them as kids' stuff only. > > June I posted something along these lines in a.f.h.p. once. Of course, the composer was John Williams, but it was twee, you are right. Matched Columbus' direction in that sense. Maurice Jarre or Tangerine Dream would suit the later films better, I think. James Horner might also be an option, his soundtrack to "Glory" was really inventive. OT - Shore's 5/4 stuff for the "unnatural" urak hai was just so apt, but there were also some really good guest appearances (Frazer, Torrini). But, in honesty, it was probably Shore's best music so far, all the stuff he's done for the trilogy... dan ~thinking of more favourite scenes for a later post~ From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Fri Aug 1 16:50:40 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 11:50:40 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Who should play Voldemort in GoF? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801115014.034e6e98@mail.kriselda.net> Donna recently mentioned: >My personal choice for the role...Brad Dourif. He has always played >the most wonderful villains. Consider his portrayal of Pieter De >Vries in Dune (the only reason that movie is worth watching). And >how about his turn as Grimma Wormtongue in "The Two Towers". Sounds good, but I think he's American [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sandyluppino at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 18:27:12 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:27:12 -0000 Subject: Thewlis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "vincentjh" wrote: > I've mentioned this a few months back when Thewlis was first cast > (and there was a lot of objections on the choice)-- > > If you're interested in watching Thewlis play a gentle character, > check out "Besieged" (and maybe "Black Beauty"). He plays the lead > character in "Besieged" in a subtle, unassuming way that makes him > very likable. At the same time, he also manages to project just > enough of the inner struggles going on within the character and build > up the (sexual) tension between him and the lead female. > > (I'll make my judgement on whether or not he's the right Lupin until > the film comes out.) > > -VJH- Thanks for that tip! I'll be renting this movie. :)The description you give sounds perfect! sjlupin From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 18:27:49 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clothes of '93? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030801182749.10046.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Mathilde: > Well, Petra, the fact is, I think > Bella was writing about their > *muggle* clothes, not their robes > :) in which case I totally > agree with her (I was 12 in 93, and > we didn't dress like that *at all*). Bella: > Obviously I meant the muggle clothes! > I thought that went without saying. > Honestly... Ah. Well, m'dears, allow me to be explicit instead then: Bella had written: > Aargh. I was 13 in '93 and there were > NOT clothes like that then. Which made me wonder: there WEREN'T?! Is there a reason to expect the WW to dress according to what you remember to be the fashion in the early 90's? At any given point in time, fashion will vary greatly between different countries, different communities and even different social circles; our individual experience of "fashion" will vary greatly since we do not all live in the same community. Are any of the clothes actually anachronistic? Do any of the items of clothing feature inventions that did not exist during the early 90's? I can understand that perhaps you wouldn't wear such items during your life then...but...surely you don't mean that such clothes did NOT exist?! See, unless you 'actually' went to Hogwarts during the early 90's and ran in the same social circles as HRH (and thus could tell us what the robes are made of), I am at a loss as to why you *expect* the kids to dress in the same fashion as that of your personal experiences. Tell me that you have first hand experience of Hogwarts and I just might turn the deepest of green from envy! Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From niennas_tears at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 17:34:09 2003 From: niennas_tears at hotmail.com (arien_tilion) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:34:09 -0000 Subject: Clothes of '93? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "bellatrix_l" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mathilde Bouhon > wrote: > > Well, Petra, the fact is, I think Bella was writing about their > > *muggle* clothes, not their robes :) in which case I totally > agree > > with her (I was 12 in 93, and we didn't dress like that *at all*). > > > Obviously I meant the muggle clothes! I thought that went without > saying. Honestly... > > Mathilde, je t'embrasse! > > Otherwise it all looks fabulous. Hermione looks less like a doll and > Harry's hair is better. I'm already disappointed that Alfonso won't > be directing GoF! > > Bella I don't think that Harry Potter was necessarily meant to take place in the time period that us fans have figured out. Personally I don't think it matters. Anyways, since when have the films accurately portrayed those sort of details that are (and aren't) in the books? Nienna From a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 19:21:16 2003 From: a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com (a_rude_mechanical) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:21:16 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <347ED890-C059-11D7-8584-0050E46E566F@noos.fr> Message-ID: > > Le dimanche, 27 juil 2003, ? 18:49 Europe/Paris, Matt Huber a ?crit : > > > Cedric - > > Cho - > > Fleur - > > Roger Davies - > > Maxine - > > Karakoff -Jeremy Irons or Hugh Laurie > > Crouch - David Warner > > Crouch Jr - Steven MacIntosh > > Moody - > > Krum - > > Bagman - Cary Elwes > > Trelawney - Harriet Walters > > Narcissa - > > Roberts - > > Avery - > > Bertha - > > Frank Bryce - > > Figg - Brenda Blethyn > > Podmore - > > Mundungus - > > Kingsley - > > Bill Weasley - > > Charlie Weasley - > > Umbridge - Kathy Burke > > Bellatrix - > > Astronomy Teacher - > > Owl Testers - > > And I'm adding: Rita Skeeter - Jennifer Saunders Tonks - Minnie Driver Elisabeth From sandyluppino at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 19:29:53 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:29:53 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" wrote: > 1. Neville and the boggart > 2. Neville and the boggart > 3. Neville and the boggart > > lol 1. Ditto your 1, 2 and 3 ... 5 words - Snape in a Green Dress! 2. Every scene with Lupin (a little biased, am I?) 3. Aunt Marge blowing up 4. The Shrieking Shack From sandyluppino at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 19:41:09 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:41:09 -0000 Subject: uploaded pic of Thewlis - from his fansite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eric_and_lauri" wrote: > Earlier today I sent a link (which my DH had sent us upon first > hearing Thewlis was cast as Lupin) and I commented that my kids and I > thought the promo pic on that fansite did indeed look Lupin-esque. > > Since the site is so difficult to get into, I uploaded it to the > files section of HPFGU-movie here: > http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/lst (it's the 24th > one) > > > I'm curious, for those of you who said you were disappointed in the > Shack pic (as was I) if this photo looks more like you expected?? > > Lauri Lauri - Thanks so much for uploading this pic. I tried to get to it yesterday and couldn't. This is definately encouraging! :) I like this picture of him and it looks a little more like *my* Lupin (at least the image that exists in my little pea-brain). As I've said before, as long as he can capture the sweet, unasuming nature of Lupins' that I love, he will be great! sjlupin From joj at rochester.rr.com Fri Aug 1 20:45:51 2003 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:45:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to References: Message-ID: <000801c3586d$e5485bf0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> 1. Ditto your 1, 2 and 3 ... 5 words - Snape in a Green Dress! 2. Every scene with Lupin (a little biased, am I?) 3. Aunt Marge blowing up 4. The Shrieking Shack The scene I'm most looking forward to is Harry and the dementor on the train. I hope it has the emotional impact I imagine. I'm thinking though, that only Ron, Hemione, Harry and Lupin will be in the compartment, and that the chocolate will be left out. Actually, I'm looking forward to the 100 dementors at quiditch and Harry falling off his broom too. Do you think this scene will still be played in the rain? Joann [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Aug 1 20:59:25 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:59:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to References: <000801c3586d$e5485bf0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: <004d01c3586f$cab6d620$709fcdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> Joann wrote: > Actually, I'm looking forward to the 100 dementors at quiditch and Harry > falling off his broom too. Do you think this scene will still be played in the > rain? Well, there's definitely Quidditch in thunder and lightning. Daniel has said that at a couple different interviews, so that's got to be the match. I'm assuming there's rain involved as well. Probably the only match that'll make the movie, but certainly the most important. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 21:11:22 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:11:22 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: <000801c3586d$e5485bf0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: Actually, I'm looking forward to the 100 dementors at quiditch and Harry falling off his broom too. Do you think this scene will still be played in the rain? > > Joann > Me: From an interview on danradcliffe.com he says: Will there be a new Quidditch Match? Daniel: "Yes, and it will be more impressive than the first two. There will be a lot of special effects that have been seen in cinema before. I cannot wait to play that scene!" I also read somewhere where he's says that doing the scene in the rain was difficult (I'm still looking for that one. Fan From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 21:19:06 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:19:06 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: <004d01c3586f$cab6d620$709fcdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > Joann wrote: > Well, there's definitely Quidditch in thunder and lightning. Daniel has said that at a couple different interviews, so that's got to be the match. I'm assuming there's rain involved as well. Probably the only match that'll make the movie, but certainly the most important. > > Richelle > O.K., I found it on DanRadcliffe.com he say: "But the best will be: A quidditch match in which the special effects will put everything in the shade - It's called Quidditch in Lighting and thunder!" Hope that helps, Fan From djs504 at lycos.com Fri Aug 1 21:33:18 2003 From: djs504 at lycos.com (DEBRA JO SMITH) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 14:33:18 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: There are 2 scences I am looking forward to: 1. Snape in a dress and I think this one is from Book 3 2. When Harry is in Hogsmeade with the invisibility clock on and Draco sees his floating head! YES!!!!! Debby ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sandyluppino at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 21:33:56 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:33:56 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > O.K., I found it on DanRadcliffe.com he say: "But the best will be: > A quidditch match in which the special effects will put everything > in the shade - It's called Quidditch in Lighting and thunder!" > > Hope that helps, > Fan I'm confused - I thought there was a big todo about Wood not being in the movie and I assumed by that that there wasn't to be any Quidditch shown. Did I hear that wrong? sjlupin From rvotaw at i-55.com Fri Aug 1 21:38:26 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:38:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to References: Message-ID: <001e01c35875$3ded5dd0$6ea3cdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> sjlupin wrote: > I'm confused - I thought there was a big todo about Wood not being in > the movie and I assumed by that that there wasn't to be any Quidditch > shown. Did I hear that wrong? Yes and no. Sean Biggerstaff (Wood) is not in the movie, nor is Marcus Flint. But there is Quidditch, by all indications thus far only one match, as is the case with the other movies. The Quidditch in the storm with the dementors IS in the movie. The Quidditch Cup win is almost certainly NOT in the movie, thus the powers that be apparently felt there was no need to keep Wood, Flint, etc. As the cup has never been spoken of before, I can see why they aren't putting in this one, even though it would've been fun to see. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 21:40:26 2003 From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030801214026.42482.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> sjlupin wrote: > O.K., I found it on DanRadcliffe.com he say: "But the best will be: > A quidditch match in which the special effects will put everything > in the shade - It's called Quidditch in Lighting and thunder!" > > Hope that helps, > Fan I'm confused - I thought there was a big todo about Wood not being in the movie and I assumed by that that there wasn't to be any Quidditch shown. Did I hear that wrong? sjlupin >>I had heard the same thing, then I heard that Wood was still not in the film, but that Quidditch was back in. While I am sad that we won't be able to see Wood get all stressed and I will miss his speaches, I am grateful that we have Quidditch back in, we are introduced to some key characters during Quidditch, and harry has the seperate encounter with real and not so real Dementors. These are going to be some scenes that I feel need to be in the film for those people who don't read the books. eowynn_24 Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CLShannon at aol.com Fri Aug 1 21:43:20 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:43:20 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: In a message dated 8/1/03 2:35:19 PM, sandyluppino at comcast.net writes: << I'm confused - I thought there was a big todo about Wood not being in the movie and I assumed by that that there wasn't to be any Quidditch shown. Did I hear that wrong? >> Ahem...once more, with feeling ;-) There will be quidditch in this movie. Anyway, Dan has given two interviews where he mentioned quidditch (in one from months ago, he said it would be quidditch in lightning and thunder, so I assume this is the storm one against Hufflepuff) and at the recent Comic Con in San Diego, there was a video tape of Alfonso and Dan talking about how Dan had some trouble with the quidditch filming this time (I would love to find out what that was about ). Wood isn't necessary for there to be quidditch scenes, he's only one player and all they have to do is concentrate on Harry seeing the dementors and falling off his broom ;-) In other words: No Wood does not equal no quidditch. I don't know if there will be both matches in the film, but it appears we will have the one where he sees the grim and all the dementors- unless they really mix it up and combine the happenings of both matches into one ;-) We haven't gotten confirmation on any of this, but we do know THERE IS QUIDDITCH Cindy From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 00:30:39 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:30:39 -0000 Subject: PoA: What I don't want to see. (OoP Spoiler) Message-ID: I was very frustrated with the current book in it's portrayal of Ron; specifically, during the battle scene where Ron's has the giggles. The movie doesn't need more fuel for making Ron the buffoon as they did in CoS. PoA is one of the few times that Ron really has a chance to shine, and show that he is made up of more than funny faces and wise crack. I will be sorely disappointed, if they do not allow Ron's scene in the Shrieking Shack to show his courage, loyalty, and sense of and willingness for self-sacrifice. Here's hoping for the best. bboy_mn From FarligAranda at HPSLASH.zzn.com Fri Aug 1 20:14:10 2003 From: FarligAranda at HPSLASH.zzn.com (bellatrix_l) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:14:10 -0000 Subject: Clothes of '93? In-Reply-To: <20030801182749.10046.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well if this isn't the most pointless debate in... Anyway, let me explain, and then let's be friends. > Is there a reason to expect the WW to > dress according to what you remember to > be the fashion in the early 90's? Yes, there is. What I meant was simply: if they're going to have the kids wear muggle clothes after lessons etc., why not have them wear muggle clothes of the right time period? At > any given point in time, fashion will > vary greatly between different countries, > different communities and even different > social circles; our individual experience > of "fashion" will vary greatly since we > do not all live in the same community. > Yes, but there is still a general idea of what people were wearing then (this is of course always a difficult part for filmmakers to get just right). > Are any of the clothes actually > anachronistic? Do > any of the items of clothing feature > inventions that did not exist during the > early 90's? I can understand that > perhaps you wouldn't wear such items > during your life then...but...surely you > don't mean that such clothes did NOT exist?! Now you're taking this a little bit too literally... > > See, unless you 'actually' went to Hogwarts > during the early 90's and ran in the same > social circles as HRH (and thus could tell > us what the robes are made of), I am at a > loss as to why you *expect* the kids to > dress in the same fashion as that of your > personal experiences. I did *not* even mention the robes. /Bella From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 21:39:39 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:39:39 -0000 Subject: Who should play Voldemort in GoF? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801115014.034e6e98@mail.kriselda.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa wrote: > Donna recently mentioned: > > >My personal choice for the role...Brad Dourif. He has always played > >the most wonderful villains. Consider his portrayal of Pieter De > >Vries in Dune (the only reason that movie is worth watching). And > >how about his turn as Grimma Wormtongue in "The Two Towers". > > Sounds good, but I think he's American > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yes, I know he is American. But he does an awfully great Brittish Accent. I think that's why they call it acting. If you want to be a purist...how about Roger Rees? From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 22:05:52 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:05:52 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary, Fill in the Blanks Message-ID: Not everyone has to be a Brit to be in these movies: > Cedric - If he were only taller, Elijah Wood > Cho - > Fleur - > Roger Davies - > Maxine - > Karakoff - Stanley Tucci > Crouch - Roger Moore > Crouch Jr - Orlando Bloom > Moody - Derek Jacobi > Krum - > Bagman - John Sessions > Trelawney - > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > Roberts - > Avery - Stephen Fry > Bertha - > Frank Bryce - John Rhys Davies > Figg - Judi Dench > Podmore - > Mundungus - Ian Holm > Kingsley - Courtney B. Vance > Bill Weasley - > Charlie Weasley - > Umbridge - Kathy Bates > Bellatrix - Susan Sarandon > Astronomy Teacher - > Owl Testers - > Tonks - > MacNair - Carey Elwes From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 03:19:43 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:19:43 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "DEBRA JO SMITH" wrote: > There are 2 scences I am looking forward to: > 1. Snape in a dress and > I think this one is from Book 3 > 2. When Harry is in Hogsmeade with the invisibility clock on > and Draco sees his floating head! YES!!!!! > Debby > I am actually looking forward to the scene where Harry is under the table in the Three Broomsticks and over hears that Sirius was James' best friend and that Sirius is his Godfather...then the next scene is of him looking in the photo album for the picture of his parents wedding, Sirius laughing next to them. Also, when Harry finally accepts that Sirius isn't his parent's betrayer in the Shrieking Shack. And I can't wait to see the rescue of Buckbeak and then of Sirius...and have Snape go ballistic...THAT is going to be so cool! Tracie From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 2 05:36:45 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:36:45 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to References: Message-ID: <3F2B4DED.4030003@bellsouth.net> Tracie, like me, you seem to be looking forward to the Sirius scenes, I'm looking so forward to the Shrieking Shack scenes, AND the Dementors'. Why do we have to wait till June 2004? Lorrie Tracie wrote: >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "DEBRA JO SMITH" >wrote: > > >>There are 2 scences I am looking forward to: >>1. Snape in a dress and >>I think this one is from Book 3 >>2. When Harry is in Hogsmeade with the invisibility clock on >>and Draco sees his floating head! YES!!!!! >>Debby >> >> >> > >I am actually looking forward to the scene where Harry is under the >table in the Three Broomsticks and over hears that Sirius was James' >best friend and that Sirius is his Godfather...then the next scene >is of him looking in the photo album for the picture of his parents >wedding, Sirius laughing next to them. > >Also, when Harry finally accepts that Sirius isn't his parent's >betrayer in the Shrieking Shack. > >And I can't wait to see the rescue of Buckbeak and then of >Sirius...and have Snape go ballistic...THAT is going to be so cool! > >Tracie > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 03:48:44 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:48:44 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: <3F2B4DED.4030003@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, glcherry at b... wrote: > Tracie, like me, you seem to be looking forward to the Sirius scenes, > I'm looking so forward to the Shrieking Shack scenes, AND the Dementors'. > Why do we have to wait till June 2004? > Lorrie > Way too long to wait!! Ever since I first read Sirius' name he was one of my favorite characters. Lupin too. The Shrieking Shack scene is going to be awesome, I hope they do it as it was in the book. Another scene I'm looking forward too is when Harry leaves the Dursley's and sees Padfoot/Sirius in the alley...then the Knight Bus shows up...I saw the pic of the bus and I love it!!! Hermoine giving old Draco a good slap is another I can't wait to see... And of course...Harry conjuring up Prongs to frighten off the Dementors, and then Prongs coming back to him before he fades away... just a few...LOL...I'm actually looking forward to the whole thing!! Tracie...who is just way to into Harry Potter... From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Sat Aug 2 04:20:42 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:20:42 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801231948.00bb9a10@mail.kriselda.net> sjlupin recently mentioned: >I'm confused - I thought there was a big todo about Wood not being in >the movie and I assumed by that that there wasn't to be any Quidditch >shown. Did I hear that wrong? Well, not quite... Wood isn't in the movie, but Quidditch is. No explanation yet on how THAT works, but that's how it is. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Sat Aug 2 04:27:05 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:27:05 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Who should play Voldemort in GoF? In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801115014.034e6e98@mail.kriselda.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801232431.00ba7e40@mail.kriselda.net> Donna recently mentioned: >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa > wrote: > > Donna recently mentioned: > > > > >My personal choice for the role...Brad Dourif. He has always >played > > >the most wonderful villains. Consider his portrayal of Pieter De > > >Vries in Dune (the only reason that movie is worth watching). And > > >how about his turn as Grimma Wormtongue in "The Two Towers". > > > > Sounds good, but I think he's American > >Yes, I know he is American. But he does an awfully great Brittish >Accent. I think that's why they call it acting. Oh, I know - but the HP movies are only using British/British Isles performers. There are a lot of great American actors who could do some of these roles, but by the rules that have been set up for the, they're right out of contention from the off. >If you want to be a purist...how about Roger Rees? It's not me being the purist - JKR is. But as for Roger Rees, I don't think I've seen him before. What's he been in? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Sat Aug 2 04:33:13 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:33:13 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: <20030801214026.42482.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801232721.02f2d480@mail.kriselda.net> eowynn_24 recently mentioned: > >>I had heard the same thing, then I heard that Wood was still not in the > film, but that Quidditch was back in. From what I understand, Quidditch was never NOT in the movie - the scene with the Dementors on the Quidditch field is a fairly important one and I think it was always planned. What happened is that people heard Sean Biggerstaff wasn't going to be in this one and *assumed* that there wasn't going to be any Quidditch, which quickly became a rumour that there wasn't any Quidditch, but there wasn't really ever any plan to leave it out. NOTE TO THE LIST ELVES: Just out of curiosity, have you ever thought of including information on Quidditch in POA in the introductory letter for this list? (If you already do, please excuse me - I've been here a bit so if it was added later, I might have missed it) I just wonder because I know I see this question come up all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From trisha.masen at verizon.net Sat Aug 2 04:33:56 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:33:56 -0400 Subject: Shrieking Shack References: <1059795159.1294.95038.m1@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <002501c358af$5aa48b80$0c01000a@Tlaptop> Something that's bothered me since I read the Newsweek article is the beginning of the second paragraph (I think it's the second). It reads something like "...over the shrieking of the shack in the background..." Why is the Shrieking Shack shrieking? Isn't what we come to find out about the Shack is that Lupin's transformations (and subsequent crying out and howling in pain) gave the Shack its repuation? The Shack doesn't shriek on it's own. I hope they haven't screwed it up. ~Trisha~ From moza_jf at hotmail.com Sat Aug 2 06:55:03 2003 From: moza_jf at hotmail.com (Maureen ) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 06:55:03 -0000 Subject: Who should play Voldemort in GoF? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030801232431.00ba7e40@mail.kriselda.net> Message-ID: > >If you want to be a purist...how about Roger Rees? > > It's not me being the purist - JKR is. But as for Roger Rees, I don't > think I've seen him before. What's he been in? > Roger Rees was the Sherrif of Rottingham in Robin Hood Men in Tights, and did a very good mickey-take of Alan Rickman! Do we know that Richard Bremmer, the face and voice of Lord Thingy - WON'T be back? He has the voice as we know, has the height, and still looks the part even when he's not morphed onto the back of Ian Hart's head! http://tinyurl.com/itai Oh, and I reckon Stuart Wilson, who was the bad guy in the Mask of Zorro, is the perfect Karkaroff. Mo xx From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 09:33:22 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 09:33:22 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm Looking Forward To Message-ID: I would like to see how they play the scenes with Hermione and Harry watching themselves after moving back in time. Should be most interesting to see how Curion has filmed these. Especially, Harry waiting for his father to show up and send his Patronus across the lake and then realizing it is himself all along. Then when Dumbledore tells him that his father is in Harry all along, what a moment that will be, if played correctly. Seems to me these young actors are maturing quite nicely. Each film has their performances maturing along with them. And the company of players will only add to their experience. Look at who they are acting with. Most of Britain's best have been used in these films. Kenneth Branagh (one of Britain's best classical actors), Alan Rickman (just delicious), Maggie Smith (Dame of the realm}, and the list goes on. What I wouldn't give to spend just 5 minutes talking shop with these people. I hope the casting for the future movies is just as good. From manda at qx.net Sat Aug 2 12:56:05 2003 From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 05:56:05 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shrieking Shack In-Reply-To: <002501c358af$5aa48b80$0c01000a@Tlaptop> Message-ID: <3F2B5275.24116.85A967@localhost> On 2 Aug 2003 at 0:33, Trisha Masen wrote: > Something that's bothered me since I read the Newsweek article is the > beginning of the second paragraph (I think it's the second). It reads > something like "...over the shrieking of the shack in the background..." > > Why is the Shrieking Shack shrieking? Isn't what we come to find out about > the Shack is that Lupin's transformations (and subsequent crying out and > howling in pain) gave the Shack its repuation? The Shack doesn't shriek on > it's own. > > I hope they haven't screwed it up. I think the journalist hasn't read the books and is just trying, in vain, to be clever. Toward the end of the article they mention that Daniel "will be riding the Nimbus 2000 in the fourth movie." But if things go the way they do in the book, the Nimbus will be in splinters by then. Manda -- http://www.mandamia.com From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 13:58:53 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:58:53 -0000 Subject: Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: <3F2B5275.24116.85A967@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Pressnell" wrote: > > I think the journalist hasn't read the books and is just trying, in vain, to be clever. Toward the end of the article they mention that Daniel "will be riding the Nimbus 2000 in the > fourth movie." But if things go the way they do in the book, the Nimbus will be in splinters by then. > > Manda If this is true, then they are cutting out the Firebolt. That will really disappoint me, because one of my favorite scenes in the book is when Harry gets it for Christmas, then finds out later that Sirius sent it to him in the owl post he gets on the Hogwarts Express going home. Not something that should be cut out of the movie...Sirius also watches him fly on it as Padfoot... Hope they don't cut any of that out, I know it probably isn't important in the grand scheme of things, but I'm one for the little things :-) Especially when they have to do with Sirius. Tracie From manda at qx.net Sat Aug 2 17:39:19 2003 From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:39:19 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: References: <3F2B5275.24116.85A967@localhost> Message-ID: <3F2B94D7.25096.189016C@localhost> On 2 Aug 2003 at 13:58, Tracie wrote: > Manda wrote:: > > > > I think the journalist hasn't read the books and is just trying, > in vain, to be clever. Toward the end of the article they mention > that Daniel "will be riding the Nimbus 2000 in the > > fourth movie." But if things go the way they do in the book, the > Nimbus will be in splinters by then. > > > If this is true, then they are cutting out the Firebolt. We don't know that they've cut the Firebolt. It's far more likely that the journalist wanted a cute way to say that Daniel will be in the 4th movie and, not having read the book, just assumed that Harry wouldn't be changing brooms. We've got another TEN MONTHS before the movie comes out. I fear some fans are starting to panic too early. ;-) Manda -- http://www.mandamia.com From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 14:50:17 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 14:50:17 -0000 Subject: Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: <3F2B94D7.25096.189016C@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Pressnell" wrote: > On 2 Aug 2003 at 13:58, Tracie wrote: > > > Manda wrote:: > > > > > > I think the journalist hasn't read the books and is just trying, > > in vain, to be clever. Toward the end of the article they mention > > that Daniel "will be riding the Nimbus 2000 in the > > > fourth movie." But if things go the way they do in the book, the > > Nimbus will be in splinters by then. > > > > > > If this is true, then they are cutting out the Firebolt. > > We don't know that they've cut the Firebolt. It's far more likely that the journalist wanted a cute way to say that Daniel will be in the 4th movie and, not having read the book, > just assumed that Harry wouldn't be changing brooms. > > We've got another TEN MONTHS before the movie comes out. I fear some fans are starting to panic too early. ;-) > > Manda Ten months...aww..now you've gone and depressed me... I know they can't put everything in the movie...that's the trouble with making movies out of books. I really hope they keep in where the Marauder's Map insults Snape...that was hilarious. Tracie...ten months??? From sandyluppino at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 15:07:38 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:07:38 -0000 Subject: Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I really hope they keep in where the Marauder's Map insults > Snape...that was hilarious. > > Tracie...ten months??? That scene is one of my favorites! Since the first time I read PoA, the map insulting Snape has always totally cracked me up. That and Snape in the lacy green dress - I really hope their in the movie! sjlupin From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 15:18:50 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:18:50 -0000 Subject: Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sjlupin" wrote: > > > > I really hope they keep in where the Marauder's Map insults > > Snape...that was hilarious. > > > > Tracie...ten months??? > > That scene is one of my favorites! Since the first time I read PoA, > the map insulting Snape has always totally cracked me up. That and > Snape in the lacy green dress - I really hope their in the movie! > > sjlupin LOL!! I loved it too! Snape throws floo powder into the fireplace and barks for Lupin. Lupin comes out of the fireplace and glances at the situation so passively...so funny. I was laughing so hard, my family thought I was having a convulsion or something. It just HAS to be in the movie...along with Draco freaking out over Harry's head materializing out of thin air... Snape in the green dress...can't wait to see that!!! Tracie From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 21:37:40 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:37:40 -0000 Subject: Nimbus//Firebolt (was Shrieking Shack) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sjlupin" wrote: > > > > I really hope they keep in where the Marauder's Map insults > > Snape...that was hilarious. > > > > Tracie...ten months??? > > That scene is one of my favorites! Since the first time I read PoA, > the map insulting Snape has always totally cracked me up. That and > Snape in the lacy green dress - I really hope their in the movie! > > sjlupin There are so many wonderful moments in the book. I would really like to see the farewell scene between Lupin and Harry. That was a great scene. Of all the adult characters in the books, Lupin is my favorite. I guess it's all that pathos! Donna From Tasukibeth1 at cs.com Sun Aug 3 05:48:47 2003 From: Tasukibeth1 at cs.com (Tasukibeth1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:48:47 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: <1e6.e42d42e.2c5dfc3f@cs.com> I'm looking forward to: (1) Any scene that features Trelawney (which is starting to look like wishful thinking...SOOBBB) (2) The scene where Harry blasts the three dementors on the quiddich field, only to learn later that is is malfor and Co. in disguise (LMAO) (3) The ending moments where Lupin sees the moon, starts transforming, and Sirius screams "RUN!" It is a spine-tingling moment every time I read it, and I hope Cuaron knows how to build the tension so that moment gets the intensity it deserves. (4) Snape in the dress, of course. Beth in Sacramento [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Tasukibeth1 at cs.com Sun Aug 3 05:57:32 2003 From: Tasukibeth1 at cs.com (Tasukibeth1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 01:57:32 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: <57.206773e5.2c5dfe4c@cs.com> Oh, and I almost forgot, I want to see the Map insult Snape. It's one of the funniest moments in the whole series! And I want to see Hermione smack Draco (I think that's the picture we may have seen, where she is threatening him with a wand) Beth in Sacramento [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From glcherry at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 3 06:13:09 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 06:13:09 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA Message-ID: Okay, if you're like me, you want to see the ENTIRE book made into a movie. It'd be 6 hours long, but would we care? NO! So, to be realisctic. (why? I don't want to!) Something is NOT going to make it into the film, or it's going to be dramatically changed TO be in the film or it's going to wind up on the cutting room floor. What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) I need chocolate. Lorrie From amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 3 10:08:28 2003 From: amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk (amy_marblefeet) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 10:08:28 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lorrie: > What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that > just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? > I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) Well for me it would have to be just about every scene with Snape in it. I realy hope they keep the Maruders map insulting scene in the movie. With that, the shrieking shack and the "those-darn-kids" scene at the end in the hospital wing. I don't think I would need to see anything else. Lets just make a movie of the Snape moments. Ok, that was quite random, I think I need chocolate too. Amy From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Sun Aug 3 13:19:54 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 13:19:54 -0000 Subject: On clothes and the time of the action in POA Message-ID: Hi - I have been lurking here for a while, this is my first post. I agree that the uproar among some about the "muggle clothes" is a little amusing. The clothes they wear or don't wear doesn't matter that much to me - I always found it hard to imagine just what the "robes" in the books looked like anyway. From Rowling's description I get a sort of monk's outfit feeling, but that doesn't look good to me - I can picture the adults like that, but on kids it seems kind of akward. So I agree with the choice of the films so far, an outfit more like British school uniforms, and the British tradition of ordinary casual clothes worn out of school hours. And we have seen a picture with the trio in school uniforms, so this way of doing it seems to be kept up in this film as well. Fine. But I disagree that their casual clothes have to be according to actual early nineties clothes, making the films some sort of "retro" films. To me there is a difference with the impact of what in the fandom has come to be called "canon", and the actual literary text of the books. Canon, as everybody knows, also includes everything Rowling has said in interviews etc. about the Potter Universe. This is important when discussing various hypotheses as to what might happen in future books, but not necessarily important when making the films. Rowling stops them if they change anything that is vital for later plots, but as long as they don't do that, the filmmakers don't have to bother about "canon", only the text of the book. I actually think it is important to read a book independent of whatever the author has to say about how it was intended - it's the text that's supposed to speak to you, and it can be read in many different ways, some of whom might even surprise the author, but still be possible from the text. This makes reading interesting, and means that we can all create a Harry Potter of our own from reading, as correct as anyone elses. And thus the interesting thing with a change of directors, is to see another artist's vision of Harry's world. That could add to your own, instead of just being a copy of it. (Whitch is not possible of course). In Cuar?n's mind it seems, the action takes place today. And why not? Because after all, where's the source for the "early nineties" idea? Based on some clues in the books, like the Deathday Party, fans have been calculating a timeline and decided the action must take place in the early nineties. Then a timeline is added to the special stuff on the COS DVD, confirming some of this calculation. OK. But the TEXT - the books as litterature, never mentions any dates at all. The actual time in the muggle world is thus obviously not important to the story. I like that, it means that every new generation reading the books can imagine Harry as their contemporary, and the books as happening Right Now. That's good. If the story was supposed to be realistically situated in the early nineties, then we could all scream about mistakes, as some has done already about a thing like Dudley having playstation. Things like the colour of Harry's eyes are in the text, but not muggle time or a description of exact muggle fashion. In fact, Rowling very seldom bothers with descriptions of clothes, except on some rare occcation as when describing Mrs. Weasly's knitwear. People just put a jumper on, that's it, the style or colour of that jumper usually doesn't matter at all. Therefore, I see absolutely no reason why the filmmakers should waste time and energy on getting clothes and hairdos to look according to historically correct fashion from the early nineties. It is of no consequeence to the story whatsoever. Not that it necessarily would have bothered me if they had - I might have worried a little about getting their priorities wrong, but if the film otherwise was good, I wouldn't have cared. But there is one special reason why the 2003 look is good, though, and that has to do only with the films. What is unique about the Potter franchise is that we actually get to see Harry grow up in Real Time in front of our very eyes. I don't know if this has ever been done in the film history before - perhaps some of you know of some examples and can enlighten us on this, but I personally have never heard of it. So the film Harry we see at 13, IS as the Harry we saw at 11 ACTUALLY developed. This is a little miracle in itself. In the Potterverse of the films then - which is and must be a different universe from the Potterverse of the books - Harry Potter is Daniel Radcliffe's contemporary. That's the one very important reason to keep Dan in the films as long as he wants to do them. If Harry in POA wears the same kind of casual clothes as Daniel does, then, that's just fine with me. Cheers! Torill From joj at rochester.rr.com Sun Aug 3 13:34:36 2003 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:34:36 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Somethings going to be cut from PoA References: Message-ID: <001401c359c3$fb6941e0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Lorrie: > What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that > just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? > I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) I was reading POA last night and thinking how hard it will be to keep in the part where the map insults Snape. Would it have to be read out loud? What if Snape made Harry read all those insults out loud? How mortifying! I just have a feeling they're going to leave it out! Joann [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sandyluppino at comcast.net Sun Aug 3 15:42:47 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:42:47 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary, Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote: > Not everyone has to be a Brit to be in these movies: > > > Cedric - If he were only taller, Elijah Wood > > Cho - > > Fleur - > > Roger Davies - > > Maxine - > > Karakoff - Stanley Tucci > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > Crouch Jr - Orlando Bloom > > Moody - Derek Jacobi > > Krum - > > Bagman - John Sessions > > Trelawney - > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > Roberts - > > Avery - Stephen Fry > > Bertha - > > Frank Bryce - John Rhys Davies > > Figg - Judi Dench > > Podmore - > > Mundungus - Ian Holm > > Kingsley - Courtney B. Vance > > Bill Weasley - > > Charlie Weasley - > > Umbridge - Kathy Bates > > Bellatrix - Susan Sarandon > > Astronomy Teacher - > > Owl Testers - > > Tonks - > > MacNair - Carey Elwes Oooh, I love the idea of Ian Holm as Mundungus! He is wonderful! I also absolutely love Rowan Atkinson. I would love to see him as Mad- Eye. I think with hair and makeup he could really pull it off! sjlupin From ed4u at comcast.net Sun Aug 3 16:01:07 2003 From: ed4u at comcast.net (Katy Melo) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:01:07 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Summary, Fill in the Blanks References: Message-ID: <3F2D31C3.000001.01896@KATY> Ok I think Paul Bettan(Chaucer in A Knight's Tale) would be a great Bill Weasley. He just seems like a more mature yet fun loving Weasley brother. Katy HP addict [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 16:11:35 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:11:35 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: <001401c359c3$fb6941e0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > > > > > Lorrie: > > What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that > > just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? > > I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) > > > I was reading POA last night and thinking how hard it will be to keep in the part where the map insults Snape. Would it have to be read out loud? What if Snape made Harry read all those insults out loud? How mortifying! > > I just have a feeling they're going to leave it out! > > Joann they could do it like they do the diary in COS...have the camera pointed down on it. The words just appear, like they did when Harry was looking at Riddle's diary...won't be too hard... they just HAVE to show that scene...it was the one that made me laugh the most...that and Aunt Marge blowing up like a balloon...hope they keep that in there too... Tracie From patientx3 at aol.com Sun Aug 3 16:17:45 2003 From: patientx3 at aol.com (HunterGreen) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:17:45 -0000 Subject: On clothes and the time of the action in POA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" wrote: [snip] >I disagree that their casual clothes have to be according to > actual early nineties clothes, making the films some sort of "retro" > films. To me there is a difference with the impact of what in the > fandom has come to be called "canon", and the actual literary text of > the books. [snip] >I actually think it > is important to read a book independent of whatever the author has to > say about how it was intended - it's the text that's supposed to speak > to you, and it can be read in many different ways, some of whom might > even surprise the author, but still be possible from the text. [snip] > Because after all, where's the source for the "early nineties" idea? > Based on some clues in the books, like the Deathday Party, fans have > been calculating a timeline and decided the action must take place in > the early nineties. Then a timeline is added to the special stuff on > the COS DVD, confirming some of this calculation. > > OK. But the TEXT - the books as litterature, never mentions any dates > at all. [snip] > If the story was > supposed to be realistically situated in the early nineties, then we > could all scream about mistakes, as some has done already about a > thing like Dudley having playstation. Nice post (o; I completely agree with how silly it is to complain that their clothes don't match the styles of the early nineties. Until I had joined newgroups on this subject, I had no idea of this timeline, and it would have been really odd for them to be in early nineties clothes, as it would for anyone who hasn't read the books (unless the movies went out of their way to MENTION the date). Perhaps the books do take place in the early nineties, but it seems pretty clear that the MOVIES take place in present time (and since the date has no effect on the plot, it doesn't matter), which makes things a lot simplier, there are more important things to worry about besides having to dress the actors in retro clothes. just my .02 cents -Rebecca From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Aug 3 18:17:27 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:17:27 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Somethings going to be cut from PoA References: Message-ID: <03fc01c359eb$80aa0ac0$829ccdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> Lorrie wrote: > What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that > just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? > I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) I need Harry falling off his broom. If I get nothing else, I have to have that. And I think there's a decent chance that it'll be done right since they're definitely having the Quidditch game in the storm. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From CLShannon at aol.com Sun Aug 3 20:09:34 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:09:34 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: On clothes and the time of the action in POA Message-ID: <4e.1ffbd064.2c5ec5fe@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/03 9:18:12 AM, patientx3 at aol.com writes: << I completely agree with how silly it is to complain that their clothes don't match the styles of the early nineties. >> I couldn't agree more ;-) Speaking as someone who is WAY past the age of knowing what the heck is 'in style' for kids that age...ahem, in other words, I'm old folks...I couldn't tell you the difference between something worn by pre-teens and teens now and the early nineties if my life depended on it. To me, jeans and a hooded top or sweater (jumper) seem pretty universal and cross most time barriers for what is in style. It's news to me that 'rainbow belts' were not in style in the early nineties ;-) Now if the kids were wearing something really distinctive for a time period like the 'real fifties' (which I didn't live thru by the way, I'm not 'that' old!)... like poodle skirts and sweaters and pony tails, I would notice. But the clothes in the pics look to me like regular clothes - no time period seems to be attached to them. Cindy Who feels even older when reading the posts about how the clothes look 'so obviously like today's styles and not the early nineties'! From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 22:26:11 2003 From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 22:26:11 -0000 Subject: Thewlis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "vincentjh" wrote: > I've mentioned this a few months back when Thewlis was first cast > (and there was a lot of objections on the choice)-- > > If you're interested in watching Thewlis play a gentle character, > check out "Besieged" (and maybe "Black Beauty"). For another very Lupin-esque role check "The island of Dr. Moreau". The movie itself is absolutely dreadful, but you can see why Thewlis can work as Lupin. Irene From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 23:34:44 2003 From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:34:44 -0000 Subject: On clothes and the time of the action in POA In-Reply-To: <4e.1ffbd064.2c5ec5fe@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/3/03 9:18:12 AM, patientx3 at a... writes: > > << I completely agree with how silly it is to complain that their > > clothes don't match the styles of the early nineties. >> > > I couldn't agree more ;-) I'm not complaining that the style of the muggle clothes does not match, I'm complaining about the muggle clothes on Draco. In class or not in class, can you see him (or other children from similar families) wearing muggle clothes? Was it so hard to come up with "wizard casual"? I hope the studio hasn't started pinching the pennies. Irene From HaplessChyld at msn.com Mon Aug 4 02:31:33 2003 From: HaplessChyld at msn.com (sleepingblyx) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 02:31:33 -0000 Subject: Scenes that will creep me out. Message-ID: ...first time posting over here-- salutations all :) Re: PoA scenes that cannot be left out-- do any of you have scenes that you think will either really scare the kids, yourself, or both? The dementors are the obvious, but for me it is the predictions. For some reason, everytime I think of Harry turning around and the T. speaking behind him, off camera, in some strange voice, and then when you see her, you see her eyes are kind of rolled up and she is uttering something creepy, well, it reminds me of the movie "The Changeling" and very much creeps me out! I think the dementors were more frightening on paper then they could ever be in a movie, because they are based so much on feelings, but the prophecy scene is visual and audio based.... done too well it could be very unnerving. It will be interesting to see just how kid friendly they continue to make the movies. _bLyX_ From glcherry at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 4 06:09:39 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:09:39 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scenes that will creep me out. References: Message-ID: <3F2DF8A3.8090808@bellsouth.net> Trelawny may be creepy for me as well. I still can't, to this day, watch the Exorcist. THAT was creepy. I think the scene that will do it for me, if they show it, will be Sirius standing over Ron's bed, a feral gleam in his eyes, knife in hand. I'm reserving judgement on the Dementors tho, I'm hoping that they will be super creepy, just because everything about them *is* feeling. The SFX department has to be doing something amazing with them you know. Kid friendly? GoF probably will be too scaring for alot of them. I'm waiting to see it myself before I take my Goddaughter, and as for OotP...I probably won't take her, or go myself for that matter. How do you explain to your godchild that just because Harry lost his, it doesn't mean she will lose hers? This is a major problem. Any ideas? Besides the obvious that it's *only* a book? Lorrie sleepingblyx wrote: >...first time posting over here-- salutations all :) > >Re: PoA scenes that cannot be left out-- do any of you have scenes >that you think will either really scare the kids, yourself, or both? > >The dementors are the obvious, but for me it is the predictions. > >For some reason, everytime I think of Harry turning around and the >T. speaking behind him, off camera, in some strange voice, and then >when you see her, you see her eyes are kind of rolled up and she is >uttering something creepy, well, it reminds me of the movie "The >Changeling" and very much creeps me out! > >I think the dementors were more frightening on paper then they could >ever be in a movie, because they are based so much on feelings, but >the prophecy scene is visual and audio based.... done too well it >could be very unnerving. It will be interesting to see just how kid >friendly they continue to make the movies. > >_bLyX_ > > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From ursamajr at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 14:28:17 2003 From: ursamajr at yahoo.com (Adrienne) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:28:17 -0000 Subject: On clothes and the time of the action in POA In-Reply-To: <4e.1ffbd064.2c5ec5fe@aol.com> Message-ID: Jumping in here... I was 14 years old in late 1993 in New York. From the pictures that we have seen *so far* (which is very few) I can say that what Harry is wearing is almost exactly what me and my friends were wearing back in 93. Stretched out and worn zip ups, baggy unbuttoned flanels over faded t-shirts and slightly baggy pants. It was the time of "grunge" fashion/style after all - think Pearl Jam/Nirvana. All Harry needs is a wallet chain and a leather jacket and we would have been twins! ;) -Adrienne (Yes I am a girl and was a major tom-boy back then - and still am!) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/3/03 9:18:12 AM, patientx3 at a... writes: > > << I completely agree with how silly it is to complain that their > > clothes don't match the styles of the early nineties. >> > > I couldn't agree more ;-) Speaking as someone who is WAY past the age of > knowing what the heck is 'in style' for kids that age...ahem, in other words, I'm > old folks...I couldn't tell you the difference between something worn by > pre-teens and teens now and the early nineties if my life depended on it. > To me, jeans and a hooded top or sweater (jumper) seem pretty universal and > cross most time barriers for what is in style. It's news to me that 'rainbow > belts' were not in style in the early nineties ;-) > Now if the kids were wearing something really distinctive for a time period > like the 'real fifties' (which I didn't live thru by the way, I'm not 'that' > old!)... like poodle skirts and sweaters and pony tails, I would notice. > But the clothes in the pics look to me like regular clothes - no time period > seems to be attached to them. > Cindy > Who feels even older when reading the posts about how the clothes look 'so > obviously like today's styles and not the early nineties'! From blackgold101 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 4 16:41:31 2003 From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 16:41:31 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "joj" wrote: > Actually, I'm looking forward to the 100 dementors at quiditch and > Harry falling off his broom too. Do you think this scene will still > be played in the rain? > > > > Joann "harrysfannyc" wrote: > Me: From an interview on danradcliffe.com he says: > Will there be a new Quidditch Match? > Daniel: "Yes, and it will be more impressive than the first two. > There will be a lot of special effects that have been seen in cinema > before. I cannot wait to play that scene!" > > I also read somewhere where he's says that doing the scene in the > rain was difficult (I'm still looking for that one. > > Fan Now me: This will definitely be the money shot of the movie. There's a Quiddith match going on, it's pouring; there's 100 dementors gliding around, then Harry's hears the laughing and his mother... There are always scenes from book to movie that have to be done right. This is one of them. From HaplessChyld at msn.com Mon Aug 4 15:05:00 2003 From: HaplessChyld at msn.com (sleepingblyx) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:05:00 -0000 Subject: Scenes that will creep me out. In-Reply-To: <3F2DF8A3.8090808@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: GoF probably will be too scaring for alot of them. I'm > waiting to see it myself before I take my Goddaughter, and as for > OotP...I probably won't take her, or go myself for that matter. How do > you explain to your godchild that just because Harry lost his, it > doesn't mean she will lose hers? This is a major problem. Any ideas? > Besides the obvious that it's *only* a book? > > Lorrie At the rate they are making these movies, losing directors, and possibly trading cast halfway through, your godchild just may be 18 by the time it comes out :) Of course, I don't know her age, but it might be possible! From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 02:25:04 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 02:25:04 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: <03fc01c359eb$80aa0ac0$829ccdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" wrote: > Lorrie wrote: > > > What, is the ONE SCENE you positively, HAVE to see? Something that > > just "makes" it PoA for you. A Scene you just CAN'T do without? > > I have no clue for myself. I vote for a six hour film :) Harry and Hermione riding on Buckbeak to rescue Sirius :-) Anne U (who thinks it could easily have been "Harry Potter: The Never-Ending Story" ;-) From odilefalaise at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 09:31:26 2003 From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 02:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pansy Parkinson cast? Message-ID: <20030805093126.14779.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not sure what to make of this, but a girl named Amber Johnston is claiming that she is indeed Pansy Parkinson - and now she has her own website: http://www.pansy-parkinson.net/ Is she for real? She is not listed on the IMDB. Odile, curiously From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:24:05 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:24:05 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: <001401c359c3$fb6941e0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > > > I was reading POA last night and thinking how hard it will be to keep in the part where the map insults Snape. Would it have to be read out loud? What if Snape made Harry read all those insults out loud? How mortifying! > > I just have a feeling they're going to leave it out! > > Joann I'm gonna be a kill-joy and agree with Joann. It is a very funny scene to read, but what makes it so funny to me is the sneering tone of the insults which one can't help but hear in one's head, even if they are just appearing on a piece of paper. (I just loved the voices Stephen Fry made to go with the map at this point in his reading of PoA, I had to rewind the tape and listen to it several times, I thought he did it so well. Especially the way the tone of each successive insult becomes increasingly affected.)However, as Joann points out, this would be difficult to translate to the screen. Sophia From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:35:51 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:35:51 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary, Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sjlupin" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote: > > Not everyone has to be a Brit to be in these movies: Moody - Derek Jacobi Avery - Stephen Fry Umbridge - Kathy Bates Good idea to create a fill in the blank casting list. I'd just like to comment on these three suggestions made earlier. If we could start all over and I could do some recasting, I would have made Derek Jacobi Dumbledore, no contest whatsoever. I would not choose him for moody. He is an excellent actor and could do anything he was asked I'm sure, but I just think he's just a tad soft around the edges to make the ulitmate Mad-Eye. I'd rather see either Ian McKellen or Anthony Hopkins as Moody. I don't have a suggestion for who could play Avery--I don't see the connection at all (no offense intended) in this casting pick. I'd still like to see him in GoF, though, but as Ludo Bagman. Kathy Bates as Umbridge? YES, YES, YES, YES--ABLSOLUTELY. I actually got on line today to look for pictures of her as inspiration for an attempted Umbridge portrait... Sophia From glcherry at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 5 23:17:07 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 16:17:07 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Somethings going to be cut from PoA References: Message-ID: <3F303AF3.1020003@bellsouth.net> Unless they plan on doing it the same way in the movie! Wouldn't that be great to hear James, Peter, Sirius and a much younger Remus (maybe Snape giving Lupin dirty looks when his voice comes up)? This would be very nice. Lorrie >Spohia wrote: (I just loved the voices >Stephen Fry made to go with the map at this point in his reading of >PoA, I had to rewind the tape and listen to it several times, I >thought he did it so well. Especially the way the tone of each >successive insult becomes increasingly affected.)However, as Joann >points out, this would be difficult to translate to the screen. > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From severusbook4 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 14:34:50 2003 From: severusbook4 at yahoo.com (severusbook4) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 14:34:50 -0000 Subject: Nimbus 2000 Message-ID: I know this is a strange request but I have not been too successful on my own. I would like to find the dimensions of the Nimbus 2000 used in the movie. My son is a huge Harry Potter fan and I know he would love to have an authentic reproduction of this broom. I have already crafted Harry's wand for him and he loves it. My daughter has Hermione's wand, even though I couldn't find what wood it is crafted from or it's magical core. If anyone knows of a link that would shed some light on this I would greatly appreciate it. Or a good full pic of it so I could scale it. From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 17:38:29 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nimbus 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030806173829.21136.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> severusbook4, in part: > I would like to find the > dimensions of the Nimbus 2000 > used in the movie. My son is a > huge Harry Potter fan and I know he > would love to have an authentic > reproduction of this broom. The museum on the Warner Bros. studio lot in Burbank, CA has a broom on display as part of their exhibit on the HP movies. IIRC, it's the Nimbus 2000. Looked to me to be about the size of a regular broom...maybe slightly oversized? I wish I could remember more accurately...but I do recall seeing brass foot rests. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 6 18:36:27 2003 From: lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Luna=20Lovegood?=) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:36:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Summary, Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030806183627.58575.qmail@web20706.mail.yahoo.com> I don't know if this has already came up, but does anyone think that Paul Bettany would make a great Lupin? I, as I read many others, love Remus and I think Paul has the perfect expression on his face, and he looks a little bit ill... Rocio. --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends??Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Tasukibeth1 at cs.com Wed Aug 6 20:28:52 2003 From: Tasukibeth1 at cs.com (Beth in Sacramento) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0000 Subject: A wacky theory about Trelawny's part Message-ID: Okay, I have been combing through websites upon websites, and I still haven't seen any evidence who will be playing Professor Trelawney, or that we will even HAVE a Trelawney. Considering how important her role is in books 3-5, I refuse to believe that Cuaron would have cut her out completely. Which leads me to this unlikely and farfetched theory: On Mugglenet.com, I noticed that in the cast list for the third movie, an actress named Sally Mortemore seems to be billed as playing Madam Pince (the librarian). This struck me as noticeably odd, because I have read PoA twice, and I don't remember any instances where Madam Pince did or said anything even remotely important or memorable enough to make it into a movie. The actress has appeared in the previous HP movies, as a nameless background ornament (you might see her at the teacher's table during the grand hall scenes). So why would they give her any billing at all, placing her up with the ranks of Lupin, Snape, and the rest of the teachers? My wacky theory is this: Perhaps Cuaron has re-written the script because he likes Ms. Mortemore and wanted to give her a bigger part; therefore he transferred Trelawney part to Pince, so the creepy predictions and airy-fairy demeanor will still exist, but they will be played be a different teacher (it's kind of like when Hermione asked McGonagall to describe the Chamber of Secrets, when in the book it was actually Professor Binns who had this honor). What do you think? Beth in Sacramento From joj at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 6 20:34:56 2003 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A wacky theory about Trelawny's part References: Message-ID: <000501c35c5a$32b153c0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Okay, I have been combing through websites upon websites, and I still haven't seen any evidence who will be playing Professor Trelawney, or that we will even HAVE a Trelawney. Considering how important her role is in books 3-5, I refuse to believe that Cuaron would have cut her out completely. Which leads me to this unlikely and farfetched theory: On Mugglenet.com, I noticed that in the cast list for the third movie, an actress named Sally Mortemore seems to be billed as playing Madam Pince (the librarian). This struck me as noticeably odd, because I have read PoA twice, and I don't remember any instances where Madam Pince did or said anything even remotely important or memorable enough to make it into a movie. The actress has appeared in the previous HP movies, as a nameless background ornament (you might see her at the teacher's table during the grand hall scenes). So why would they give her any billing at all, placing her up with the ranks of Lupin, Snape, and the rest of the teachers? My wacky theory is this: Perhaps Cuaron has re-written the script because he likes Ms. Mortemore and wanted to give her a bigger part; therefore he transferred Trelawney part to Pince, so the creepy predictions and airy-fairy demeanor will still exist, but they will be played be a different teacher (it's kind of like when Hermione asked McGonagall to describe the Chamber of Secrets, when in the book it was actually Professor Binns who had this honor). What do you think? Beth in Sacramento That could be. I think it's strange myself there's no Trelawney. There's a lot of humor there, and her prediction! They wrote the script for POA before OOP came out though, and didn't realize how important she would be. I've been thinking, they probably will run into that with Neville too. They cut most of his parts out. He's going to be important. Does Neville have any good scenes in POA? I'm having a brain freeze, and can't think of any! Joj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Tasukibeth1 at cs.com Wed Aug 6 20:48:41 2003 From: Tasukibeth1 at cs.com (Beth in Sacramento) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:48:41 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: <3F303AF3.1020003@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Spohia wrote: (I just loved the voices Stephen Fry made to go with the map at this point in his reading of PoA, I had to rewind the tape and listen to it several times, I thought he did it so well. Especially the way the tone of each successive insult becomes increasingly affected.) However, as Joann points out, this would be difficult to translate to the screen. Beth says: I think that with some creative direction they will be able to leave it in. In my mind I picture something like this: Snape starts commanding the map to reveal it's secrets, and then we see the look on Snape's face change. He crouches lower for a better look, at which the camera changes to Snapes POV as he (and the audience) reads the rude remarks. It's really no different that the way the audience was able to read Tom's entries as they appeared in the diary while Harry was reading them. I only hope that Cuaron doesn't employ the irritating "read-it-out- loud-so-the-children-who-can't-read" device; Snape would never read something like that aloud; it would go totally against his character. Beth in Sacramento From l10r77 at juno.com Thu Aug 7 04:32:03 2003 From: l10r77 at juno.com (lisanicr) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:32:03 -0000 Subject: Casting of Dumbledore In-Reply-To: <20030731043603.23812.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Tyler Hewitt wrote: > > ME: > > Gotta agree with you, I think I'm going to like the > new DD. I love the idea of playing him as an aging > hippy too. Sounds perfect, my exact take on > Dumbledore! > > Looking at the photo of Michael Gambon as DD, I kept > thinking he looked familiar. I looked him up on the > IMDB, and found that he played 'the theif' in "The > Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover". Now when I > look at the photo of Gambon as DD, i see the twinkle, > but I also see the disgusting rat bastard he played in > that earlier film. Hope I can forget that when PoA > comes out. I don't want to see Dumbledore as the > person who urinates on and force feeds dog feces to > someone in the opening scene of 'The Cook..." > > Tyler > Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this list so I'm trying to catch up on the last couple of weeks of posts. Anyway, after growing up with a mom who adored Richard Harris, I was happy he was picked to play DD. I'm not quite so sure of Michael Gambon though. All the movies I've seen with him in them, he's played a pretty big rat b*stard. I know other movies shouldn't prejudice anyone so I'm trying to keep an open mind on this one! Lisa From glcherry at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 7 07:07:32 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:07:32 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting of Dumbledore References: Message-ID: <3F31FAB4.2030403@bellsouth.net> lisanicr wrote: > > >Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this list so I'm trying to catch up on >the last couple of weeks of posts. Anyway, after growing up with a >mom who adored Richard Harris, I was happy he was picked to play DD. >I'm not quite so sure of Michael Gambon though. All the movies I've >seen with him in them, he's played a pretty big rat b*stard. I know >other movies shouldn't prejudice anyone so I'm trying to keep an open >mind on this one! > > Well, why not :) Dumbledore does, in a way, in my opinion, become somewhat of a 'rat bastard' in the Movie version of Ootp, for not telling Harry about the Propechy, for not dealing with Harry, and getting Sirius killed (which I DON'T believe he's dead!). So, it's only fitting that they get an actor who can take the Headmaster of Hogwarts that we all know and love and make you start second guessing him. Just my opinion that because of the 'change' in Dumbledore, they needed an actor who could be, shall we say, harsher than Harris? Not, that Richard Harris, if he were still alive *couldn't* do it, but it would be harder to watch him, than Gambon. Lorrie > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 08:00:36 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:00:36 -0000 Subject: Nimbus 2000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" wrote: > I know this is a strange request but I have not been too successful > on my own. I would like to find the dimensions of the Nimbus 2000 > used in the movie. My son is a huge Harry Potter fan and I know he > would love to have an authentic reproduction of this broom. ... bboy_mn: Just want to make sure, that you understand that the broom handle is not round and it's not straight. It dips down and flares slightly to form the seat and the head in the nameplate area is flattened. There is a photo on the internet that shows Harry and Draco standing together with their brooms (Harry=N2000; Draco=N2001). I think most fan sites could tell you how tall Dan/Harry and Tom/Draco are (actually I think somewhere between 5'4" and 5'6"). That photo is a full body, head to foot shot, so you should get a good look at the details too. I'm pretty sure the current 2002 Harry Potter calander has a close up of the head of a N2000. If you can't find those photos anywhere, I may be able to come up with copies. Email me direct if you need to and I will arrange it. Just reply to this post, and use the Drop Down list to set the TO: to my personal email address. If you do make one, we would all be thrilled to see a photo of it. bboy_mn From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 10:10:26 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:10:26 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Beth in Sacramento" wrote: > > Spohia wrote: > (I just loved the voices Stephen Fry made to go with the map at this > point in his reading of PoA, I had to rewind the tape and listen to > it several times, I thought he did it so well. Especially the way the > tone of each successive insult becomes increasingly affected.) > However, as Joann points out, this would be difficult to translate to > the screen. > > Beth says: > I think that with some creative direction they will be able to leave > it in. In my mind I picture something like this: > > Snape starts commanding the map to reveal it's secrets, and then we > see the look on Snape's face change. He crouches lower for a better > look, at which the camera changes to Snapes POV as he (and the > audience) reads the rude remarks. It's really no different that the > way the audience was able to read Tom's entries as they appeared in > the diary while Harry was reading them. > > I only hope that Cuaron doesn't employ the irritating "read-it-out- > loud-so-the-children-who-can't-read" device; Snape would never read > something like that aloud; it would go totally against his character. > > Beth in Sacramento Much as I would love to see many things in the next movie, consider this. What rules in Hollywood, is the dollar, the bottom line. Frankly, I am surprised that the two previous movies were as long as they were. Distributors and theatre owners like their films short. The shorter a film is, the more often they can show it. The more often they can show it, the more people attend therefore larger box office. So, whatever gets put in this movie, much as we want to see all the little details, will be only the stuff that moves the plot along. I think that all those visits to Hogsmeade in the book will be condensed into one visit. For those of us who know the books intimately, this might seem like cheating. But we must put up with that. Besides, Steve Kloves seems to be doing a really good job of screenwriting. And he does get in contact with JKR. And it seems the films have her stamp of approval. I wish that they would make movies like they did in the old days, you know, like Ben Hur and My Fair Lady. Those films were long and had an intermission. If they did the same for Harry Potter, think of all the things they could put in. Donna From odilefalaise at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 10:18:36 2003 From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 03:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting of Dumbledore In-Reply-To: <3F31FAB4.2030403@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20030807101836.23610.qmail@web13111.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone seen Gambon in Sleepy Hollow - the Tim Burton version starring Johnny Depp that came out a few years ago? It's terrific (though not for the kiddies)! Gambon is charming and I loved him in it. Incidentally, Richard Griffith also stars, as does Miranda Richardson, who a lot of people seem to think would make a good Narcissa Malfoy. Enjoy! Odile, who still thinks Nadja Auermann would be awesome as Narcissa... if only she could act. > lisanicr wrote: > >Hi everyone, I'm pretty new to this list so I'm > trying to catch up on > >the last couple of weeks of posts. Anyway, after > growing up with a > >mom who adored Richard Harris, I was happy he was > picked to play DD. > >I'm not quite so sure of Michael Gambon though. All > the movies I've > >seen with him in them, he's played a pretty big rat > b*stard. I know > >other movies shouldn't prejudice anyone so I'm > trying to keep an open > >mind on this one! From sandyluppino at comcast.net Thu Aug 7 14:33:51 2003 From: sandyluppino at comcast.net (sjlupin) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:33:51 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" > wrote: > > 1. Neville and the boggart > > 2. Neville and the boggart > > 3. Neville and the boggart > > > > lol > > Snape going section 8 after Sirius escapes. Hopefully Alan Rickman > might treat us to a timely reprise of either Hans Gruber or the > Sherrif of Nottingham "I'll eat your liver - with a spoon!" > > June We just relistened to the end of PoA in the car and I am in total aggrement with you - this scene and his part in the Shrieking Shack. I had forgotten how mental he was there too. I LOVE Rickman and can't wait to see what he does with these two scenes! sjlupin From tracie622 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 15:35:18 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:35:18 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Beth in Sacramento" > wrote: > Much as I would love to see many things in the next movie, consider > this. What rules in Hollywood, is the dollar, the bottom line. > Frankly, I am surprised that the two previous movies were as long as > they were. > > Distributors and theatre owners like their films short. The shorter > a film is, the more often they can show it. The more often they can > show it, the more people attend therefore larger box office. > > So, whatever gets put in this movie, much as we want to see all the > little details, will be only the stuff that moves the plot along. I > think that all those visits to Hogsmeade in the book will be > condensed into one visit. > > For those of us who know the books intimately, this might seem like > cheating. But we must put up with that. Besides, Steve Kloves seems > to be doing a really good job of screenwriting. And he does get in > contact with JKR. And it seems the films have her stamp of approval. > > I wish that they would make movies like they did in the old days, you > know, like Ben Hur and My Fair Lady. Those films were long and had > an intermission. If they did the same for Harry Potter, think of all > the things they could put in. > > Donna The Potter movies are a major money maker. They can make them as long as they want. The studio and the theater owners know that no matter how long the Potter movies are, people will flock to see them, and more then once. It's the same with LOTR, those movies are 3 hours long. POA could very well be that long, altho more children will be going to that then LOTR, so that is a consideration I suppose. This brings up the length of GOF and OotP. Both books were twice as long as their three predesessors. So, I am assuming those movies will have to be at least 3 hours long, or suffer severly under the hatchet. Which I would hate to see. Tracie From amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 7 17:16:38 2003 From: amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk (amy_marblefeet) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 17:16:38 -0000 Subject: New pics from PoA Message-ID: Not sure if these have been posted else where before they appeared on the BBC website but I thought I would link to them anyway for all those who haven't seen them yet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3128291.stm Hopefully that should work if not go to www.bbc.co.uk and do a search for Harry Potter and then look under news and you should find a link there. They are quite good. Not sure when the first on happens, there is one of the new Dumbledore, a wonderful shrieking shack one and one of the tiro perhaps sneaking out to visit Hagird. Amy From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 7 18:03:43 2003 From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 18:03:43 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Beth in Sacramento" > > wrote: > > > I wish that they would make movies like they did in the old days, > you > > know, like Ben Hur and My Fair Lady. Those films were long and > had > > an intermission. If they did the same for Harry Potter, think of > all > > the things they could put in. > > > > Donna > > > The Potter movies are a major money maker. They can make them as > long as they want. The studio and the theater owners know that no > matter how long the Potter movies are, people will flock to see > them, and more then once. It's the same with LOTR, those movies are > 3 hours long. POA could very well be that long, altho more children > will be going to that then LOTR, so that is a consideration I > suppose. > > This brings up the length of GOF and OotP. Both books were twice as > long as their three predesessors. So, I am assuming those movies > will have to be at least 3 hours long, or suffer severly under the > hatchet. Which I would hate to see. > > Tracie It is to be hoped that the studios will learn from the production of LOTR which has to some extent re-wrote the rule books. As a huge fan of the book and movies so far of LOTR, I never felt that the book could be filmed as one film. What I would also like to see with future Harry Potter films is the same kind of unifying vision that Jackson has brought to the retelling of the LOTR trilogy. He has earned the odium of some die-hard fans for making slight changes to the books, but IMHO has understood well that film and literature are different media and what works well on the page and in the reader's imagination does not always work so well visually. I hate to upset any of the Harry Potter film fans but the reason that the last two films have been so disappointing is a slavish and unimaginative re-telling. The books are largely episodic with a central plot, but usually also an "chapter issue" which is resolved in that same chapter. This is perfect for reading aloud to a child for instance because there is a clear end point. In the films I found that this episodic fell came over lumbering and dull - and yet the books are not lumbering and dull - I read OoP in 24 hours and was largely incommunicado throughout. We need a director who loves the books but who is primarily an artist in the art of fantasy film making. I would happily sit through a two parter of GoF or OoP because everytime I have seen the films I have bitterly resented some of the bits that were missed out. Kids are sticklers for accuracy and would probably cope too. June From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Thu Aug 7 19:10:08 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:10:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030807140656.03845408@mail.kriselda.net> Tracie recently mentioned: >The Potter movies are a major money maker. They can make them as >long as they want. The studio and the theater owners know that no >matter how long the Potter movies are, people will flock to see >them, and more then once. It's the same with LOTR, those movies are >3 hours long. POA could very well be that long, altho more children >will be going to that then LOTR, so that is a consideration I >suppose. > >This brings up the length of GOF and OotP. Both books were twice as >long as their three predesessors. So, I am assuming those movies >will have to be at least 3 hours long, or suffer severly under the >hatchet. Which I would hate to see. There has been talk about making GOF as 2 separate movies that would be released about a month or so apart. It looks like there will actually be a precedent for that kind of release set prior to GOF even starts filming - Quintin Tarentino's next movie, "Kill Bill", is apparently quite long and Tarentino isn't willing to cut it any further, so plans currently are to release IT in two parts about a month apart, so that people will go, see the first half, and then go back again later to see the rest. IF it goes over well, I suspect it's even more likely that GOF and OOP will be handled that way, rather than trying to cram as much content as they can into a single film. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 22:56:05 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:56:05 -0000 Subject: New pics from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "amy_marblefeet" wrote: > Not sure if these have been posted else where before they appeared on > the BBC website but I thought I would link to them anyway for all > those who haven't seen them yet. > Those are the pictures in the recent Newsweek article. Although, here the pictures are wonderful. Not so grainy as I have seen on the 'net. Thanks, Amy! Donna From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 00:10:37 2003 From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New pics from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030808001037.52759.qmail@web14512.mail.yahoo.com> These pics have been in the photo section of this group for a couple of weeks! Thanks for being on the look out though! Especially from England! Donna wrote:--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "amy_marblefeet" wrote: > Not sure if these have been posted else where before they appeared on > the BBC website but I thought I would link to them anyway for all > those who haven't seen them yet. > Those are the pictures in the recent Newsweek article. Although, here the pictures are wonderful. Not so grainy as I have seen on the 'net. Thanks, Amy! Donna Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! 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SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daluben4 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 01:36:45 2003 From: daluben4 at yahoo.com (daluben4) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 01:36:45 -0000 Subject: A wacky theory about Trelawny's part In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Beth in Sacramento" wrote: ... > Which leads me to this unlikely and farfetched theory: > On Mugglenet.com, I noticed that in the cast list for the third > movie, an actress named Sally Mortemore seems to be billed as playing > Madam Pince (the librarian). This struck me as noticeably odd, > because I have read PoA twice, and I don't remember any instances > where Madam Pince did or said anything even remotely important or > memorable enough to make it into a movie. The actress has appeared Assuming the Madam Pince part is very small, as in the books, perhaps Mortemore could play both Pince & Trelawney. Even without book 5, it doesn't seem likely that Kloves would have left Trelawney out of the screenplay because there is a strong hint in PoA, via Dumbledore, that her first prophecy (the one in OoTP) is going to be important later on. Also, I would think that completely deleting a recurring character like Trelawney is the kind of thing Kloves would have asked JKR about first. From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 03:26:31 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:26:31 -0000 Subject: GoF & OoP- Each made in Two Halfs In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030807140656.03845408@mail.kriselda.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa wrote: > >>>> There has been talk about making GOF as 2 separate movies that would be released about a month or so apart. ...edited..., I suspect it's even more likely that GOF and OOP will be handled that way, rather than trying to cram as much content as they can into a single film. <<< bboy_mn: I never thought about this small aspect until I read this post, but... A side note first: I think 3 hours is just barely enough for any of these movies. PS and CoS could have bee noticably improved if they had been stretched to 3 hours. If the studio puts pressure on to keep PoA down to 2 to 2-1/2 hours, it will be a sad waste of celluloid. PoA is a complex story even if it isn't as long as GoF, and it is by far the most dramatic. So, in my opinion, anything less that 3 hrs is a horrible injustice to the story. GoF lends itself well to being made into two movies. The end of the first task is about the middle of the book, and that would make an exciting quiting point for that first movie. But where is a good place to break OoP? OoP isn't a series of nicely defined tasks. It, for the most part, has smooth uniform action from beginning to end. The place that I would suggest is when Mr. Weasley gets bitten by the snake- Chapter 21 - The Eye of the Snake - begins page 441 of 870 - Harry has the dream. Ends (pg 465) in Harry's dorm room with McGonnagall saying, 'I believe you Potter...' Chapter 22 - St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries - begins in Dumbledore's office, moves to Grimmauld place (pg 475), then to the hospital (pg 484), ends with the Weasley kids hearing that Harry is possessed by Voldemort while listening on Extendable Ears (pg 491) The next chapter is back to Grimmauld Place for Christmas. That's closest to half way, and reasonably exciting climax. Of course, halfway through the book is not necessarily halfway through the screen play. But, unless they want to end it like the first Lord of the Rings where it just stops and leaves you hanging, I can't think of any other place near the center of OoP that is a suitable stopping point. But, I guess we are years away from having to worry about OoP, the movie. Just a thought. bboy_mn From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 03:32:43 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:32:43 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to (Ron) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" wrote: > 1. Neville and the boggart > 2. Neville and the boggart > 3. Neville and the boggart > > lol bboy_mn: I swear if they don't show Ron's scenes properly in the Shrieking Shack, if they don't show how brave he is, and how he stands up for Harry, I swear I will go ballistic. This movie more than any other needs to establish that Ron is not just a clown; that he is a significant, brave, loyal, and heroic figure. I won't accept anything less. Just a thought. bboy_mn From swmil at msn.com Fri Aug 8 03:46:56 2003 From: swmil at msn.com (whizbee2000) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 03:46:56 -0000 Subject: Casting of main kid characters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm relatively new to this group, so maybe this has been addressed before....but I'm really hoping they don't change the casting after GOF to new characters. It just wouldn't be the same. I don't see what the objection is to the kid's getting older. Basically, they're the same ages as they are in the book. I can't imagine someone else playing Dan, Rupert or Emma's roles. Also, I can't imagine anyone other than Rickman playing Snape. I CAN'T WAIT for POA, the boggart scene and the freak out scene in the Shrieking shack by Snape and when they get back to Hogwarts. Rickman will be soooo delightful to watch!!!! From scully931 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 05:35:08 2003 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:35:08 -0000 Subject: GoF & OoP- Each made in Two Halfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree completely that GOF should be two movies. I wonder, though, whether it is necessary to split OOTP. Yes, it was a very long book. But, there was much description that isn't (don't take this the wrong way) necessary to the story. Yes, it's ALL necessary if you want to do it right, but they don't put it all in. Much of the time in Sirius' house is describing getting it clean. There are many times when the portraits yell. The Umbridge scenes are very simiar as well. I think she's a GREAT villan! But, showing her observing MacGonagall's class would get the point across. They don't need to show her with all the teachers. We don't need to see each of Harry's detentions. The way they're headed with F&G, we probably won't see them developing their "snacks." I don't know. Maybe it's just because OOTP is not my favorite book. I'm also only on my second time reading it. But, my first thought when I was done was "That was a four hundred page book put into eight hundred pages." (No flames, please! I still love OOTP better than every other book I've ever read except all the other HP books!;-) I just think it could easily fit into one long movie. Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa > wrote: > > > > >>>> There has been talk about making GOF as 2 separate movies that > would be released about a month or so apart. ...edited..., I suspect > it's even more likely that GOF and OOP will be handled that way, > rather than trying to cram as much content as they can into a single > film. <<< > > From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Aug 8 08:17:15 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:17:15 -0000 Subject: GoF & OoP- Each made in Two Halfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" wrote: > I agree completely that GOF should be two movies. > > I wonder, though, whether it is necessary to split OOTP. ... > But, there was much description that isn't necessary to the story. > Much of the time in Sirius' house is describing getting it clean. bboy_mn: I think all the cleaning was really just a setup for the Black Family Tree, and I think they could move into that much faster in the movie. So the whole beginning of the movie could be wide shot of Privet Drive, Harry+Dudley+Dementors, Mrs. Figg, Grimmauld Place, Black Family Tree, and off to school. But that's the way all the movies go. even with trememdous cuts, they are still going to be hard pressed to get PoA into one 3 hr movie. So, even with tons of stuff cut out (which always happens) you are still going to be hard pressed to condense OotP into a good 3 hr movie. If you've seen the DVD of CoS, then you know all the stuff that was cut out, was the stuff that explain many scenes and plotlines that seemed to have no explaination. > I'm also only on my second time reading it. But, my first thought > when I was done was "That was a four hundred page book put into > eight hundred pages." > > Deborah Other people have complained the book dragged many subplots out. Some complained that the book was too slow in the beginning. But I would like to point out that the Dementors show up on page 12, by page 19 they were gone, page 24 the boys were home, page 40 Harry's in his room, and page 55 he's leaving Privet Drive. That seems like a lot of story to cover in only 55 pages. I didn't find this book as captivating as previous books, but there was no part that I found dull or slow. And, but JKR's own admission, she had to drag some part of the story out in order to be able towork in clues and characters that will be important to the next two books. Just a few thoughts. bboy_mn From jennivirides at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 8 18:03:21 2003 From: jennivirides at yahoo.co.uk (jennivirides) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 18:03:21 -0000 Subject: A wacky theory about Trelawny's part In-Reply-To: <000501c35c5a$32b153c0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > I've been thinking, they probably will run into that with Neville too. They cut most of his parts out. He's going to be important. Does Neville have any good scenes in POA? I'm having a brain freeze, and can't think of any! > > Joj Not getting into the whole Trelawney issue, as I have no idea what they're going to do about that, but just had to say, Joj, PoA is one of the best Neville books, mainly because of: THE BOGGART IN THE WARDROBE! Probably my favourite chapter in all of the books. They have to do it right in the film or I will be very very cross. Neville is also in the compartment on the train when the Dementor appears, but I think that's it. I don't have my books with me to check. Dessie, crawling back into her lurkdom (if that's a word). From fc26det at aol.com Sun Aug 10 00:23:24 2003 From: fc26det at aol.com (S Handel) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:23:24 -0000 Subject: Pansy Parkinson cast? In-Reply-To: <20030805093126.14779.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Odile Falaise wrote: > I'm not sure what to make of this, but a girl named > Amber Johnston is claiming that she is indeed Pansy > Parkinson - and now she has her own website: > > http://www.pansy-parkinson.net/ > > Is she for real? She is not listed on the IMDB. > > Odile, curiously Hi, If you go to that website now, it says that she is NOT playing in the movies, she is just a fan. : ) Susan From fc26det at aol.com Sun Aug 10 01:06:56 2003 From: fc26det at aol.com (S Handel) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 01:06:56 -0000 Subject: Question about SS DVD vs Theater Message-ID: Hi, For some reason, I remember seeing the gringotts cart ride when I went to the Theater to see Sorcerer's Stone. But the DVD only shows them riding up to the vault. Did I imagine a cart ride? It was very late at night when I saw the movie and I had not read the book yet so did not know anything about the story. I know sometimes they do cut the movies when they put them on DVD's or VHS. Susan From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Sun Aug 10 02:24:52 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:24:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Pansy Parkinson cast? In-Reply-To: References: <20030805093126.14779.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030809212029.02cc10c0@mail.kriselda.net> S Handel recently mentioned: >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Odile Falaise >wrote: > > I'm not sure what to make of this, but a girl named > > Amber Johnston is claiming that she is indeed Pansy > > Parkinson - and now she has her own website: > > > > http://www.pansy-parkinson.net/ > > > > Is she for real? She is not listed on the IMDB. > > > > Odile, curiously > >Hi, >If you go to that website now, it says that she is NOT playing in the >movies, she is just a fan. : ) Actually, the site says that Diana - the girl who runs the site - is not playing Pansy, but that Amber Johnston is the actress playing Pansy, and that Diana is running the site as an official "fanlisting" for Amber. QUOTE ===== welcome to the official pansy parkinson/amber johnston fanlisting, as seen on thefanlistings.org. please note that diana is not pansy parkinson in the harry potter films. she has just created this fanlisting on behalf of amber, who does. for those of you who do not know what a fanlisting is, you can find out in the information section. END QUOTE ========= further down the page, she also notes: QUOTE ===== i have been recieving a ton of email asking me to prove that amber was in poa, or any of the other harry potter films. someone has been posting an article around the internet, claiming that they have photos of amber that are from poa. if there were photos, they would be posted here. we only have the photos of her taken with a digital camera while filming in wiltshire. please disreguard such articles. END QUOTE ========= (Please note - I just copied and pasted the text - any errors are from the site) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cybermom at centennialpr.net Sun Aug 10 02:29:24 2003 From: cybermom at centennialpr.net (ilia_riverapr) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 02:29:24 -0000 Subject: Casting of main kid characters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "whizbee2000" wrote: > I'm relatively new to this group, so maybe this has been addressed > before....but I'm really hoping they don't change the casting after > GOF to new characters. It just wouldn't be the same. I don't see what > the objection is to the kid's getting older. Basically, they're the > same ages as they are in the book. I can't imagine someone else > playing Dan, Rupert or Emma's roles. Also, I can't imagine anyone > other than Rickman playing Snape. I CAN'T WAIT for POA, the boggart > scene and the freak out scene in the Shrieking shack by Snape and > when they get back to Hogwarts. Rickman will be soooo delightful to > watch!!!! I definitely agree with you on this one! They have done such a wonderful job by casting the right actors, why change? I just saw the pictures from PoA and was astonished as how much the image I have made in my mind of Sirius matches the actor in costume!!! It is the same with all the characters. If you have the right recipe, Why change it? From dally_1025 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 04:46:53 2003 From: dally_1025 at hotmail.com (dally1025) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:46:53 -0000 Subject: Third Movie let down??? Message-ID: Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I would see if anyone has the same concerns. Cera From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 10:38:38 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:38:38 -0000 Subject: Third Movie let down??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dally1025" wrote: > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing > muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so > much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I > would see if anyone has the same concerns. > Cera Don't worry, they will still be in those wonderfully designed robes for the school scenes. The scenes you saw were from "after hours" and visits to Hogsmede. The kids definately wouldn't wear their school robes for those visits. Hogsmede visits were on Saturdays and the Shreiking Shack scenes were after school hours. If you read the book, you will see that they didn't wear robes for those visits. The movie will still be just as magical as the others. Perhaps more so as the kids are finally using more and more advanced magic. I don't know about anyone else, but June seems just too far away. D. From hickengruendler at yahoo.de Sun Aug 10 11:02:40 2003 From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:02:40 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <20030727164939.57012.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber wrote: > Ok, I thought that with all the discussion about who should be who, We should put together a summary for this. I am beginning to forget everyone's thoughts. Too many characters to keep track of nowadays :) ets just keep cutting and Pasting when we have ideas. > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > Karakoff - > Crouch - Roger Moore > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > Moody - Sean Connery > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > Umbridge - Judi Dench > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren Tonks - Kate Winslet From hickengruendler at yahoo.de Sun Aug 10 11:02:50 2003 From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:02:50 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <20030727164939.57012.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber wrote: > Ok, I thought that with all the discussion about who should be who, We should put together a summary for this. I am beginning to forget everyone's thoughts. Too many characters to keep track of nowadays :) ets just keep cutting and Pasting when we have ideas. > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > Karakoff - > Crouch - Roger Moore > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > Moody - Sean Connery > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > Umbridge - Judi Dench > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren Tonks - Kate Winslet From hickengruendler at yahoo.de Sun Aug 10 11:10:08 2003 From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:10:08 -0000 Subject: A wacky theory about Trelawny's part In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jennivirides" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > > > I've been thinking, they probably will run into that with > Neville too. They cut most of his parts out. He's going to be > important. Does Neville have any good scenes in POA? I'm having a > brain freeze, and can't think of any! > > > > Joj > > > Not getting into the whole Trelawney issue, as I have no idea what > they're going to do about that, but just had to say, Joj, PoA is one > of the best Neville books, mainly because of: > > THE BOGGART IN THE WARDROBE! > > Probably my favourite chapter in all of the books. They have to do > it right in the film or I will be very very cross. > > Neville is also in the compartment on the train when the Dementor > appears, but I think that's it. I don't have my books with me to > check. > > Dessie, crawling back into her lurkdom (if that's a word). He also lost the list with the passwords in this book. Hickengruendler From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 14:07:41 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:07:41 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive Message-ID: According to comingsoon.net Mike Newell will be directing GoF & productionis set to start in April '04. Yah, can't see what he does. From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 18:04:22 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:04:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Third Movie let down??? Message-ID: <75.16eab946.2c67e326@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2003 1:04:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dally_1025 at hotmail.com writes: > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing > muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so > much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I > would see if anyone has the same concerns. > Cera > Cera, I'm feeling the same thing, but not for the same reasons :) So far, I've liked the pictures I've seen, for the most part. As for the clothes, robes will be worn, as someone's already said, but some of the biggest parts of the movie (the Shrieking Shack had better be a significant length to cover all the info there!) are not during school hours. I know some people are up in arms about it not being clothes of the nineties, but, let's face it, noone but crazy fanatics like us even realize it's supposed to be set in the mid nineties, so of course the director is using clothes that appeal to today's kids. I really looked at the first two movies as eye-candy for the books, fun to see because the visualization was mostly just how I imagined, but not able to stand on their own as movies. So now my worry...well, PoA is my favorite too, so the stakes are higher. There are a lot of scenes I hold dear in this book and I *don't* want them messed with. I also don't want the stuff I really love to be cut out. I've been dying to hear Sirius say "Going to kill me, Harry?" and to see Harry whisper "Prongs," as his Patronus canters back to him (and *so many*other lines) but now I'm starting to think I won't get to and it's upsetting me. I'd almost rather they didn't make this one. I didn't worry about that really with the first two because I don't read them as much as PoA and GoF (and now OotP). But one thing I would *LOVE* to see, I think WB should have a poster advertising PoA designed as a Wanted poster of Sirius Black. It would be So awesome :) ~RSFJenny :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Sun Aug 10 18:19:51 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:19:51 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mike Newell will direct fourth moive Message-ID: <16f.22712fab.2c67e6c7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, harrysfannyc at yahoo.com writes: > According to comingsoon.net Mike Newell will be directing GoF & > productionis set to start in April '04. Yah, can't see what he does. > > Does anyone else find it annoying that they'll be shooting GoF before we even get to *see* PoA?? I suppose I should see it as good news, because GoF will come out sooner, but it still irks me. ~RSFJenny who is still also annoyed because she believes the Matrix sequels are what held up the production/release of PoA ...WB seems to only like to put out one definite blockbuster at a time...nothing against the Matrix though, I love that too, but still... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From moza_jf at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 20:16:51 2003 From: moza_jf at hotmail.com (Maureen ) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 20:16:51 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth movie In-Reply-To: <16f.22712fab.2c67e6c7@aol.com> Message-ID: Here's the link to the story on Ananova - http://tinyurl.com/jl7v , and I saw it on the BBC, too. If they're filming them so close, can we assume that the main kids will definitely be back? Mo xx From lbiles at flash.net Sun Aug 10 22:23:20 2003 From: lbiles at flash.net (leb2323) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:23:20 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber > wrote: > > Ok, I thought that with all the discussion about who should be who, > We should put together a summary for this. I am beginning to forget > everyone's thoughts. Too many characters to keep track of > nowadays :) ets just keep cutting and Pasting when we have ideas. > > > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > Karakoff - > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > Moody - Sean Connery > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > Tonks - Kate Winslet add Billy Connolly for Moody, Patricia Routledge for Umbridge, and Jennifer Saunders for Rita Skeeter! From jedillore at rcn.com Sun Aug 10 20:08:38 2003 From: jedillore at rcn.com (Emily Rose) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 15:08:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Third Movie let down??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 8/9/03 11:46 PM, dally1025 at dally_1025 at hotmail.com wrote: > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing > muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so > much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I > would see if anyone has the same concerns. > Cera > > > I have a lot of friends who are Lord of the Rings fans who felt the same way before Peter Jackson?s movie came out. They were all avid fans of the books and when they looked at movie stills there response was and irate ?Peter Jackson is messing up my favorite book!? No one was happy about it. I too am an avid Lord of the Rings fan. I?ve read the novels eleven times and the Silmarillion twice. (If you?ve ever read the Silmarillion, you know reading that one book twice is a greater feat than reading the other 3 eleven times. :-) My take on the movies was a little less extreme - I was looking forward to see how Peter Jackson saw these novels that were so dear to me. (BTW The first Harry Potter came out a few months earlier and I took a similar view. My Harry Potter was never going to end up on screen ? only another?s interpretation.) After the Lord of the Rings:Fellowship came out my friends divided into two camps. Some loved what Peter Jackson did and others were completely let down and writing angry letters to New Line. My view never wavered. What I saw was how Peter Jackson decided to make a very long complex novel into a movie. He cut a few things, moved some stuff around, and made a movie that for the most part was the first book of Lord of the Rings. I thought it was pretty good too. There were a few things that weren?t how I imagined them ? none of the actors looked like how I imagined the characters to look, but hey, if I wanted that I should have made the movie! In the end, no Peter Jackson didn?t make Lord of the Rings exactly how I saw it, he made it exactly how he (and the other writers) saw it and that was very cool to watch. Prisoner is my favorite of the Harry Potter books too and once again, I expect to see a director?s interpretation. Until they can create a technology to draw out of my head how I see these books in my minds eye, no one is going to get it even close. But I do so enjoy seeing the differences and sometimes they are wonderful. I love how Dudley fell into the snake?s cage in the first movie instead of just having the snake escape and in the second movie the Burrow was even crazier and fantastic than I ever could have imagined. So if the new director is going to get his point across by putting Hermione in a pink sweat shirt so be it. I?ll go see the movie and decide then if I like it as a film interpretation of Prisoner of Azkaban. If I do, then cool, it?s another way to experience a favorite, if I don?t well, then I won?t watch it again. Either way I?m looking forward to next June. -e [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From cybermom at centennialpr.net Mon Aug 11 01:23:13 2003 From: cybermom at centennialpr.net (ilia_riverapr) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:23:13 -0000 Subject: Third Movie let down??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Emily Rose wrote: > on 8/9/03 11:46 PM, dally1025 at dally_1025 at h... wrote: > > > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > > going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing > > muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so > > much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I > > would see if anyone has the same concerns. > > Cera > > > > > > > I have a lot of friends who are Lord of the Rings fans who felt the same way > before Peter Jackson?s movie came out. They were all avid fans of the books > and when they looked at movie stills there response was and irate ?Peter > Jackson is messing up my favorite book!? No one was happy about it. I too > am an avid Lord of the Rings fan. I?ve read the novels eleven times and the > Silmarillion twice. (If you?ve ever read the Silmarillion, you know reading > that one book twice is a greater feat than reading the other 3 eleven times. > :-) My take on the movies was a little less extreme - I was looking > forward to see how Peter Jackson saw these novels that were so dear to me. > (BTW The first Harry Potter came out a few months earlier and I took a > similar view. My Harry Potter was never going to end up on screen ? only > another?s interpretation.) > > After the Lord of the Rings:Fellowship came out my friends divided into two > camps. Some loved what Peter Jackson did and others were completely let > down and writing angry letters to New Line. My view never wavered. What I > saw was how Peter Jackson decided to make a very long complex novel into a > movie. He cut a few things, moved some stuff around, and made a movie that > for the most part was the first book of Lord of the Rings. I thought it was > pretty good too. There were a few things that weren?t how I imagined them ? > none of the actors looked like how I imagined the characters to look, but > hey, if I wanted that I should have made the movie! In the end, no Peter > Jackson didn?t make Lord of the Rings exactly how I saw it, he made it > exactly how he (and the other writers) saw it and that was very cool to > watch. > > Prisoner is my favorite of the Harry Potter books too and once again, I > expect to see a director?s interpretation. Until they can create a > technology to draw out of my head how I see these books in my minds eye, no > one is going to get it even close. But I do so enjoy seeing the differences > and sometimes they are wonderful. I love how Dudley fell into the snake?s > cage in the first movie instead of just having the snake escape and in the > second movie the Burrow was even crazier and fantastic than I ever could > have imagined. So if the new director is going to get his point across by > putting Hermione in a pink sweat shirt so be it. I?ll go see the movie and > decide then if I like it as a film interpretation of Prisoner of Azkaban. > If I do, then cool, it?s another way to experience a favorite, if I don?t > well, then I won?t watch it again. Either way I?m looking forward to next > June. > > -e > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I agree. As poets have "poetic license" so do film-makers. On the fact of the pink sweatshirt we also have to remember that at this stage the kids are beginning to be teenagers and Hermione, no exception made, needs to start looking like a "girl" and not just a part of a "trio" of friends. Even when the books do not specify the clothes weared on the outings it will just make sense for them not to wear their robes and school formal clothing. Also as a means of identification as a "new generation" or "contemporary wizards" or "cool wizzards" if we may say. IR. From cybermom at centennialpr.net Mon Aug 11 01:29:24 2003 From: cybermom at centennialpr.net (ilia_riverapr) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:29:24 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive In-Reply-To: <16f.22712fab.2c67e6c7@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > harrysfannyc at y... writes: > > > > According to comingsoon.net Mike Newell will be directing GoF & > > productionis set to start in April '04. Yah, can't see what he does. > > > > > > Does anyone else find it annoying that they'll be shooting GoF before we even > get to *see* PoA?? I suppose I should see it as good news, because GoF will > come out sooner, but it still irks me. > > ~RSFJenny > who is still also annoyed because she believes the Matrix sequels are what > held up the production/release of PoA ...WB seems to only like to put out one > definite blockbuster at a time...nothing against the Matrix though, I love that > too, but still... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please. Pardon my ignorance, but Who is Mike Newell? Mention any of his previous work on films so I can then give my opinion. Thanks. From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 02:16:45 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:16:45 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "ilia_riverapr" wrote: > > Please. Pardon my ignorance, but Who is Mike Newell? Mention any of > his previous work on films so I can then give my opinion. Thanks. He directed 'Four Weddings & a Funeral" & "Donnie Brasco" to name just 2. Check out imdb for a full list. From nostrebor at runbox.com Mon Aug 11 05:36:59 2003 From: nostrebor at runbox.com (Jodi Robertson) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:36:59 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks (but a question) References: Message-ID: <025201c35fca$9e5e0460$d3cc1943@user7i1hr4si1m> Do you think Patrick Stewart could play a role here? Jodi ----- Original Message ----- From: "leb2323" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber > > wrote: > > > Ok, I thought that with all the discussion about who should be > who, > > We should put together a summary for this. I am beginning to > forget > > everyone's thoughts. Too many characters to keep track of > > nowadays :) ets just keep cutting and Pasting when we have ideas. > > > > > > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > > Karakoff - > > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > Tonks - Kate Winslet > > add Billy Connolly for Moody, Patricia Routledge for Umbridge, and > Jennifer Saunders for Rita Skeeter! > From poohnpotterfan at aol.com Mon Aug 11 05:44:40 2003 From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:44:40 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think kids can sit through them. My five year old nephew, who has a hard time sitting through a Disney movie, sat through both movies without wanting to leave once!! So I think that as long as they're as entertaining, kids will sit through it no matter how long!! --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" > wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Beth in Sacramento" > > > wrote: > > > > > > I wish that they would make movies like they did in the old > days, > > you > > > know, like Ben Hur and My Fair Lady. Those films were long and > > had > > > an intermission. If they did the same for Harry Potter, think > of > > all > > > the things they could put in. > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > The Potter movies are a major money maker. They can make them as > > long as they want. The studio and the theater owners know that no > > matter how long the Potter movies are, people will flock to see > > them, and more then once. It's the same with LOTR, those movies > are > > 3 hours long. POA could very well be that long, altho more > children > > will be going to that then LOTR, so that is a consideration I > > suppose. > > > > This brings up the length of GOF and OotP. Both books were twice > as > > long as their three predesessors. So, I am assuming those movies > > will have to be at least 3 hours long, or suffer severly under the > > hatchet. Which I would hate to see. > > > > Tracie > > It is to be hoped that the studios will learn from the production of > LOTR which has to some extent re-wrote the rule books. As a huge > fan of the book and movies so far of LOTR, I never felt that the > book could be filmed as one film. What I would also like to see > with future Harry Potter films is the same kind of unifying vision > that Jackson has brought to the retelling of the LOTR trilogy. He > has earned the odium of some die-hard fans for making slight changes > to the books, but IMHO has understood well that film and literature > are different media and what works well on the page and in the > reader's imagination does not always work so well visually. I hate > to upset any of the Harry Potter film fans but the reason that the > last two films have been so disappointing is a slavish and > unimaginative re-telling. The books are largely episodic with a > central plot, but usually also an "chapter issue" which is resolved > in that same chapter. This is perfect for reading aloud to a child > for instance because there is a clear end point. In the films I > found that this episodic fell came over lumbering and dull - and yet > the books are not lumbering and dull - I read OoP in 24 hours and > was largely incommunicado throughout. We need a director who loves > the books but who is primarily an artist in the art of fantasy film > making. > > I would happily sit through a two parter of GoF or OoP because > everytime I have seen the films I have bitterly resented some of the > bits that were missed out. Kids are sticklers for accuracy and > would probably cope too. > > June From naomi_blake at hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 12:33:05 2003 From: naomi_blake at hotmail.com (naomimccormick) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:33:05 -0000 Subject: is Fleur cast yet? In-Reply-To: <051101c3557f$982dc5d0$639dcdd1@l3820.tjdo.com> Message-ID: > Speaking of casting, does anybody remember when the casting office opened for PoA? I'm attempting to estimate when they're planning on beginning filming GoF. > I've come up with a bit of a theory about this. They gave a new address for the casting office for POA at the end of september 2002 and filming started mid-feb 2003. Which means they were taking applications at least 4 1/2 months before they started shooting. They start taking applications for GOF on 1st Jan 2004, so if they stick to roughly the same timetable they would start filming mid- april at the very earliest. BUT, they'll be just starting the press junket for POA and Rupert Grint will be just about to take his GCSE's. So, I reckon they'll start filming shortly after POA opens. Either, like COS, straight after the premiere, with clever scheduling to avoid using Rupert 'til he's shot of his exams, or they'll wait a month or so and start with everyone. They can't leave it too long because a)they've got a 2005 release date and b)Dan will be taking exams the year after so his parents especially won't want filming to run over into may. I may have been thinking about this a bit too much :o) Naomi From sara1412au at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 13:39:06 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:39:06 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: RSFJenny wrote: >Does anyone else find it annoying that they'll be shooting GoF >before we even get to *see* PoA?? I suppose I should see it as good >news, because GoF will come out sooner, but it still irks me. Sorry Jenny - I am at present incredibly irked by many things, one of them being the fact that I have to wait until 2005 to get my next fix after seeing POA in 2004... never said that I was patient. And for Harrysfan - Mike Newell directed Four Weddings and a Funeral amongst many, many other things, mentioned in earlier threads on this board. All that I can say is that at least it's not Chris Columbus and leave things at that. For a full list of films that he's been involved with, I refer you on to this link: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Newell,+Mike at the Internet Movie Database. Sara-ELL From bob-angelaevans at lineone.net Mon Aug 11 14:09:00 2003 From: bob-angelaevans at lineone.net (evans_ratcliffe) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:09:00 -0000 Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. Message-ID: This is my first post. I have tried to see if this has been covered elsewhere. I apologise if it has been. Last night I sat down with my 8 year old daughter to watch Philosophers Stone for the umpteenth time. We got to the sorting ceremony and she asks- "Their ties, robe bagdes and scarves are the colour of their houses, as they have not yet been sorted how do they know what colour tie to buy and wear?" If you look at the students waiting to be sorted they are indeed already wearing there house colours. I was stumped. Explained it away as artistic licence. Any thoughts? Angela From newdevilry9 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 14:56:46 2003 From: newdevilry9 at yahoo.com (newdevilry9) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:56:46 -0000 Subject: Third Movie let down??? In-Reply-To: <75.16eab946.2c67e326@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/10/2003 1:04:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > dally_1025 at h... writes: > > > > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > > going to be a major let-down. > I'm feeling the same thing, but not for the same reasons :) So far, I've > liked the pictures I've seen, for the most part. As for the clothes, robes will > be worn, as someone's already said, but some of the biggest parts of the movie > (the Shrieking Shack had better be a significant length to cover all the info > there!) are not during school hours. I know some people are up in arms about > it not being clothes of the nineties, but, let's face it, noone but crazy > fanatics like us even realize it's supposed to be set in the mid nineties, so of > course the director is using clothes that appeal to today's kids. > > I really looked at the first two movies as eye-candy for the books, fun to > see because the visualization was mostly just how I imagined, but not able to > stand on their own as movies. So now my worry...well, PoA is my favorite too, > so the stakes are higher. There are a lot of scenes I hold dear in this book > and I *don't* want them messed with. > > But one thing I would *LOVE* to see, I think WB should have a poster > advertising PoA designed as a Wanted poster of Sirius Black. It would be So awesome :) > > ~RSFJenny :) > > I can't wait for this movie, not only because PoA is my favorite, but because of A. Cuaron. If Columbus were directing this movie I would be very worried. I completely agree that the first two movies were "eye-candy". Yes, I enjoyed them, but I certainly did not love them. Someone else compared their concerns for PoA with "Lord of the Rings" fans' concerns with Peter Jackson's vision. As fans of both, I have said all along that Jackson's LotR films (thus far) are great movies and great interpretations of the books, whereas Columbus' Potter can't touch the books, he doesn't even come close. The Potter movies are fun kids movies, but they are far from great films on there own. Cuaron is a good director, a real director, not a guy who directs kids movies. I really believe that he will capture all of the emotion, depth, power and all that good stuff in PoA. Even if every one of our favorite lines is not there, the point will be made. I would rather feel all of Sirius' rage, anger and frustration than here him say a direct line from the book. I think that everyone was so caught up in staying true to the details in SS & CoS that the films felt somewhat flat. Believe me, I certainly was one of the people saying "they better not change anything from the book!!", but I've realized that it just doesn't work. A film can't stand on its own and be a great film when you are trying to make each scene exactly as it was on page 236 or 321 or whatever. I'm looking forward to Cuaron making what will hopefully be a great film from a truly great story. NewDev From tmarends at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 15:30:17 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:30:17 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive In-Reply-To: <16f.22712fab.2c67e6c7@aol.com> Message-ID: Not at all. They actually started filming CoS before the PS/SS release. It just means the actors don't get the time off they had between CoS and PoA. It'll also help with the continuity, since a lot happens during the summer between years 3 and 4 (the beginning of GoF) and the physical changes in the actors will be more subtle. Tim --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, RSFJenny19 at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/10/2003 10:08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, > harrysfannyc at y... writes: > > > > According to comingsoon.net Mike Newell will be directing GoF & > > productionis set to start in April '04. Yah, can't see what he does. > > > > > > Does anyone else find it annoying that they'll be shooting GoF before we even > get to *see* PoA?? I suppose I should see it as good news, because GoF will > come out sooner, but it still irks me. > > ~RSFJenny > who is still also annoyed because she believes the Matrix sequels are what > held up the production/release of PoA ...WB seems to only like to put out one > definite blockbuster at a time...nothing against the Matrix though, I love that > too, but still... > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Audra1976 at aol.com Mon Aug 11 15:31:13 2003 From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:31:13 EDT Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: <189.1d563a90.2c6910c1@aol.com> I don't know if this has been said yet (I'm a little behind in keeping up with the posts), but I'm looking forward to seeing Malfoy scream like a little bitch after getting clobbered by Buckbeak ("I'm dying! I'm dying, look at me! It's killed me!") LOL -Audra- From tmarends at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 15:48:43 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:48:43 -0000 Subject: Flints Message-ID: I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not, but since the actors who play Oliver Wood and Marcus Flint are NOT appearing in PoA, could this be a way to deal with the Flint of having Marcus there in the first place? Instead of just getting rid of Flint, they got rid of the two adversaries and left the Quidditch pitch to Potter/Malfoy. Tim From CLShannon at aol.com Mon Aug 11 16:20:03 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:20:03 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive Message-ID: <152.22aeb110.2c691c33@aol.com> In a message dated 8/11/03 8:32:57 AM, tmarends at yahoo.com writes: << Not at all. They actually started filming CoS before the PS/SS release. It just means the actors don't get the time off they had between CoS and PoA. >> Actually, from what I read and heard in countless interviews, they started filming COS two or three days 'after' SS/PS opened in theaters. With GOF, they are going to start filming two whole months 'before' POA even comes out. I think that POA will most likely be in post-production at this time and not principal photography, so the kids will be have some time off between the two. I mean, they have been filming POA since late Feb, I have to assume they will finish soon and not still be shooting 'next' April ;) Cindy From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:16:45 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:16:45 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber > wrote: > > Ok, I thought that with all the discussion about who should be who, > We should put together a summary for this. I am beginning to forget > everyone's thoughts. Too many characters to keep track of > nowadays :) ets just keep cutting and Pasting when we have ideas. > > > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > Nope, sorry, Sir John Gielgud died in 2000. http://us.imdb.com/Name?Gielgud,+John Anne U (hasn't thought of anyone in particular for Frank Bryce) From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 17:23:36 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:23:36 -0000 Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "evans_ratcliffe" wrote: > We got to the sorting ceremony and she asks- "Their ties, robe > bagdes and scarves are the colour of their houses, as they have not > yet been sorted how do they know what colour tie to buy and wear?" > If you look at the students waiting to be sorted they are indeed > already wearing there house colours. I was stumped. Explained it away > as artistic licence. Any thoughts? > Angela In the books that would be called a flint. On the screen, that's a continuity problem. I never noticed that but will look more closely the next time we watch HPPS. (Petra?) Anne U (definition of "Flint" available in the HP Lexicon) From tmarends at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 20:20:29 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:20:29 -0000 Subject: Mike Newell will direct fourth moive In-Reply-To: <152.22aeb110.2c691c33@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/11/03 8:32:57 AM, tmarends at y... writes: > > << Not at all. They actually started filming CoS before the PS/SS > > release. It just means the actors don't get the time off they had > > between CoS and PoA. >> > > Actually, from what I read and heard in countless interviews, they started > filming COS two or three days 'after' SS/PS opened in theaters. > > With GOF, they are going to start filming two whole months 'before' POA even > comes out. I think that POA will most likely be in post-production at this > time and not principal photography, so the kids will be have some time off > between the two. I mean, they have been filming POA since late Feb, I have to assume > they will finish soon and not still be shooting 'next' April ;) > Cindy >From what I read, I thought Dan and Rupert were filming the "flying car" scenes before the release of PS/SS, although the rest of the cast didn't start until a week or so after the premier. From l10r77 at juno.com Tue Aug 12 04:01:40 2003 From: l10r77 at juno.com (lisanicr) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 04:01:40 -0000 Subject: Third Movie let down??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dally1025" wrote: > Since the PoA is my favorite in the series, I am looking forward to > this movie more than the other two. After looking at the some of the > released pictures from the film, I'm starting to feel like it is > going to be a major let-down. The characters seem to be wearing > muggle clothes and it doesn't seem to contain the fantasy I loved so > much. I guess I won't know for sure until next June, just thought I > would see if anyone has the same concerns. > Cera Now Me: I have to say my fav of the series is PoA and I don't want to say that I'm setting myself up for a letdown of a movie but I don't know how I will feel until I've seen it. I wasn't too keen on Gary Oldman as Sirius and frankly, I'm still not. I'm keeping an open mind though :) For me, I keep the books and the movies separate and accept that things that are filmed will be different than things that are written. While books are entertainment, films are seriously mass market entertainment so they have to play up to the audience. I think the crew will do the best they can with the time frame and script they have been given. *crosses fingers* Slightly OT, on of my favorite books is High Crimes by Joseph Finder (read it in under 24hrs)and I was ecstatic that it would be made into a movie, especially with Ashley Judd and Morgan Freeman. The two could not have been more different. Characters names were changed and the plot was missing one key element which put a hole in the movie for those of us who have read the book. The second time that I watched the movie, I watched it as just that, something completely unrelated to the book and actually enjoyed it as a separate entity. From rvotaw at i-55.com Tue Aug 12 04:18:14 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:18:14 -0500 Subject: Robes in PoA Message-ID: <005a01c36088$c01bec20$079ccdd1@RVotaw> A set report at The Snitch reaffirms that students are most definitely wearing robes in PoA. Even in nearly 100 degree heat while filming. Those poor kids! They reported seeing Neville's robe tattered, I wonder why? It's getting late and my brain has stopped functioning I guess. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poohnpotterfan at aol.com Tue Aug 12 04:36:18 2003 From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:36:18 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. Message-ID: <1d8.f226353.2c69c8c2@aol.com> Okay, this is my little muggle opinion, but in the first movie, when they get off the train, they've all got the same color tie & everything & have a Hogwarts badge with all the houses on their robes. My theory is, when they get sorted in their houses, then the badges & ties change color & symbols to reflect where they're placed. Again, just my theory!! :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poohnpotterfan at aol.com Tue Aug 12 04:38:40 2003 From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:38:40 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Scenes I'm looking forward to Message-ID: <15b.22e35f18.2c69c950@aol.com> In a message dated 8/11/2003 9:32:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, Audra1976 at aol.com writes: > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > That & when he gets slapped by Hermione!! That'll be fun to see! I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what the Dementors look like, as well as how they're going to do the Patronus lessons. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From poohnpotterfan at aol.com Tue Aug 12 04:42:20 2003 From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:42:20 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: is Fleur cast yet? Message-ID: <1e1.ede9874.2c69ca2c@aol.com> I think they've all ready opened it up for casting, since the buzz is that they'll start filming in April. Boy, it doesn't give the kids much time to rest does it? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 05:32:12 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030812053212.65153.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Angela: > We got to the sorting ceremony and > she asks- "Their ties, robe bagdes > and scarves are the colour of their > houses, as they have not yet been > sorted how do they know what colour > tie to buy and wear?" If you look > at the students waiting to be sorted > they are indeed already wearing > there house colours. I was stumped. > Explained it away as artistic > licence. Any thoughts? Anne U: > In the books that would be called a > flint. On the screen, that's a > continuity problem. I never noticed > that but will look more closely > the next time we watch HPPS. (Petra?) Hmm...the yet-to-be-sorted students logically should NOT be wearing their house colors yet; this indeed would be a logic error. (I did not notice, will also have to check the next time I watch it - very observant of you!) A "continuity problem" is a specific type of error of logic and refers to a problem with believing that, in real time, one shot could possibly have continued from the previous. That's not really the case here. Typically, problems of continuity are entirely unintentional. Sounds like all of the first years are wearing their house colors rather than just one or two here and there, so I'd guess that wardrobe fully intended the kids to wear those particular items of clothing for the sorting ceremony shots - it's just that they shouldn't have assigned those costumes for those shots in the first place. To grant "artistic license" is to be generous here (but don't let me stop you!) since the effort to establish tension on the part of the kids as they wait with bated breath to be sorted is undermined by the fact that in wearing their house colors already, they seem to be waiting anxiously to hear about something that they (and the more observant audience members) already know. Nothing artistic about that, me thinketh. Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From scully931 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 06:16:17 2003 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:16:17 -0000 Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: <20030812053212.65153.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I really thought they were wearing black ties with the Hogwarts crest on them at first. I remember thinking it was a good idea. But, maybe it was just MY good idea. hehe. Someone watch and tell us for sure. My DVD is three hours away right now. Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > Angela: > > We got to the sorting ceremony and > > she asks- "Their ties, robe bagdes > > and scarves are the colour of their > > houses, as they have not yet been > > sorted how do they know what colour > > tie to buy and wear?" If you look > > at the students waiting to be sorted > > they are indeed already wearing > > there house colours. I was stumped. > > Explained it away as artistic > > licence. Any thoughts? > > Anne U: > > In the books that would be called a > > flint. On the screen, that's a > > continuity problem. I never noticed > > that but will look more closely > > the next time we watch HPPS. (Petra?) > > Hmm...the yet-to-be-sorted students > logically should NOT be wearing their > house colors yet; this indeed would be > a logic error. (I did not notice, will > also have to check the next time I > watch it - very observant of you!) > A "continuity problem" is a specific > type of error of logic and refers to a > problem with believing that, in real > time, one shot could possibly have > continued from the previous. That's > not really the case here. > > Typically, problems of continuity are > entirely unintentional. Sounds like > all of the first years are wearing > their house colors rather than just > one or two here and there, so I'd > guess that wardrobe fully intended the > kids to wear those particular items of > clothing for the sorting ceremony > shots - it's just that they shouldn't > have assigned those costumes for those > shots in the first place. > > To grant "artistic license" is to be > generous here (but don't let me stop > you!) since the effort to establish > tension on the part of the kids as > they wait with bated breath to be > sorted is undermined by the fact that > in wearing their house colors already, > they seem to be waiting anxiously to > hear about something that they (and > the more observant audience members) > already know. Nothing artistic about > that, me thinketh. > > Petra > a > n :) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From patientx3 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 07:52:36 2003 From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:52:36 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. Message-ID: <12.347f1caa.2c69f6c4@aol.com> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > We got to the sorting ceremony and > she asks- "Their ties, robe bagdes > and scarves are the colour of their > houses, as they have not yet been > sorted how do they know what colour > tie to buy and wear?" If you look > at the students waiting to be sorted > they are indeed already wearing > there house colours. I was stumped. > Explained it away as artistic > licence. Any thoughts? During that scene they're just wearing black ties and cloaks with no badges on them. (just went and checked because I wasn't sure). They wear the house specific clothes later. BTW, during that scene it really annoys me that the names aren't called in alphabetical order (not so much because its a deviation from the book, but because the order is completely random and makes no sense). -Rebecca From saintbacchus at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 08:54:37 2003 From: saintbacchus at yahoo.com (saintbacchus) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:54:37 -0000 Subject: Somethings going to be cut from PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: << I'm gonna be a kill-joy and agree with Joann. It is a very funny scene to read, but what makes it so funny to me is the sneering tone of the insults which one can't help but hear in one's head, even if they are just appearing on a piece of paper. (I just loved the voices Stephen Fry made to go with the map at this point in his reading of PoA, I had to rewind the tape and listen to it several times, I thought he did it so well. Especially the way the tone of each successive insult becomes increasingly affected.) However, as Joann points out, this would be difficult to translate to the screen. >> This is exactly why movies should be adaptations of books, not direct copies. That scene, as written in the book, does not work on screen. But, lo! What if the map *read itself* to Snape? Thus, the different voices alluded to by the different fonts in the book would become actual different voices in the movie. I just saw Cuaron's adaptation of "A Little Princess," and his creativity impressed me. In particular, I liked the stylish dissolve where Sarah's tears on the letter to her father turn into raindrops as he reads it. I doubt such a simple idea as the one I outlined above - or another, better one - would elude him. From sara1412au at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 10:15:35 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:15:35 -0000 Subject: Scenes I'm looking forward to In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dan Feeney" wrote: > 1. Neville and the boggart > 2. Neville and the boggart > 3. Neville and the boggart > > lol For an early preview (NOT from POA), check out Alan Rickman in a scene from "Michael Collins" where, as the Irish leader, Eamon De Valera he breaks out of ?Lincoln jail ... dressed as a woman complete with over-the-top feather-fitted hat (sadly vulture-less). I watched that scene and could only think of, yup, Neville and the boggart ;) Sara_ELL From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 12 10:55:03 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:55:03 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Someone (can't work out who, as there were too many arrows in the way. Could everyone please start snipping to make things a bit clearer?) offered this particular group up as a "list in progress" on this thread: > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > > Karakoff - > > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > Tonks - Kate Winslet What awful casting choices! Half of these actors appear to have been chosen only because they are British and roughly about the right age. I only agree with the Bellatrix and Narcissa ideas, although Sean Connery and Ewan MacGregor are possibles (Ewan MacGregor would make a much better Bill Weasley, though). Roger Moore particularly appals me. And Kate Winslet could never play Tonks. Surely, surely, SURELY this isn't the final list? Or even a list composed of the ideas of several people? Isn't this just one person's vague recollection of a few actors who happen to be British? Kirstini, ill and therefore vicious. From Joanne0012 at aol.com Tue Aug 12 12:48:17 2003 From: Joanne0012 at aol.com (joanne0012) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:48:17 -0000 Subject: Sorting order WAS Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: <12.347f1caa.2c69f6c4@aol.com> Message-ID: > BTW, during that scene it really annoys me that the names aren't called in > alphabetical order (not so much because its a deviation from the book, but > because the order is completely random and makes no sense). > > -Rebecca JKR has mentioned in an interview that there's a magic quill that writes down the names of Hogwarts candidates as they're born. Perhaps the list was the one generated by the quill, in birth order? Is the sorting consistent with the few birth dates that we know? (Sorry, it's been a while and I don't have access to my copy of the film right now.) From manda at qx.net Tue Aug 12 18:20:26 2003 From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:20:26 -0700 Subject: JKR in Biography Magazine Message-ID: <3F38CD7A.27682.741D50@localhost> The brand new September issue of Biography magazine has articles on both JK Rowling and Harry Potter's England including some nice photos of locations used in the films. Highly recommended! It's the issue with Diane Lane on the cover. Amanda -- http://www.mandamia.com From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 17:05:21 2003 From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030812170521.34498.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> kirst_inn wrote: > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > > Karakoff - > > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > Tonks - Kate Winslet What awful casting choices! Half of these actors appear to have been chosen only because they are British and roughly about the right age. I only agree with the Bellatrix and Narcissa ideas, although Sean Connery and Ewan MacGregor are possibles (Ewan MacGregor would make a much better Bill Weasley, though). Roger Moore particularly appalls me. And Kate Winslet could never play Tonks. Surely, surely, SURELY this isn't the final list? Or even a list composed of the ideas of several people? Isn't this just one person's vague recollection of a few actors who happen to be British? Kirstini, ill and therefore vicious. Thank you I was getting a little worried that I was the only one who read this list and was disappointed. I really like Emma T. and think that she would do well in the role of Trelawney. However, Catherine Zeta Jones and Kate Winslet, UGH. IMO neither of them can act very well, and they wouldn't be able to portray those parts with any justice. Can we please choose someone else for those parts. As for Sean C. and Ewan M. I am all for them, I believe that they are good choices for Crouch Jr and Moody, but I could also Ewan as one of the Weasley brothers. Eowynn Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 17:27:22 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:27:22 -0000 Subject: Quidditch in PoA Message-ID: According to a story at HPANA.com a company has been hired to make thermal suites for the cast to play quidditch in the rain. From WFeuchter at msn.com Tue Aug 12 19:11:58 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:11:58 -0000 Subject: Quidditch in PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "harrysfannyc" wrote: > According to a story at HPANA.com a company has been hired to make > thermal suites for the cast to play quidditch in the rain. Well according to an interview with the director and Dan, I forget where I saw it, Leaky most likely, the Quidditch scenes have all been shot From eschaafin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 21:38:12 2003 From: eschaafin at yahoo.com (Sophie) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:38:12 -0000 Subject: Quidditch in PoA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "harrysfannyc" wrote: > According to a story at HPANA.com a company has been hired to make > thermal suites for the cast to play quidditch in the rain. This did make me wonder then why Oliver Woods was cut out.... (If that is indeed still true.. haven't really kept up with those details.) Sophietje From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 22:45:49 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:45:49 -0000 Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" wrote: > I really thought they were wearing black ties with the Hogwarts > crest on them at first. I remember thinking it was a good idea. But, > maybe it was just MY good idea. hehe. Someone watch and tell us for > sure. My DVD is three hours away right now. > > Deborah > They are indeed wearing the black ties with the crest. In the next scene, where Harry is looking out the window, you will notice on the chairs as they pan to him, that the articles with the Griffindor colors on them are placed there ready for the next day. Also, the ties they wear before being sorted are exactly the same as the teacher's ties. Take a close look at Madam Hooch. I also find it interesting that in CoS, the school robes and uniforms are decidedly different on Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle, than the uniforms that the trio wear. It seems to me, they did extensive research on British school uniforms. And has anyone noticed that most of the Wizards in Cos are wearing clothing reminicent of the 1800's? When you see Lucius and Fudge in Hagrid's hut, their clothing and hair seem to be in style with the late 1790's early 1800's. From joj at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 13 03:33:56 2003 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:33:56 -0400 Subject: One movie and new kids? Message-ID: <000a01c3614b$ba4a2a50$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030811/en_movies_eo/12304 They're going to be making GOF into one movie and they're considering recasting the trio. Are they high? Joj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From swmil at msn.com Wed Aug 13 04:14:45 2003 From: swmil at msn.com (whizbee2000) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 04:14:45 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? In-Reply-To: <000a01c3614b$ba4a2a50$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030811/en_movies_eo/12304 > > They're going to be making GOF into one movie and they're considering recasting the trio. Are they high? > > Joj > They ARE high. While many on this site thought the first two movies were "so-so" or eye candy, I liked the trio very much and the movies. They're just fun!! I can't see putting in some new kids now. Dan and Rupert, in my opinion, are so believable as the characters. Perfect, really. I don't know if I'd want to see it w/the kids being replaced. Tom Felton is awesome also (and I like the kid who plays Seamus...he's just like I imagined him to be). Why does everyone seem to freak out about the trio getting older? It's what the characters do in the book!! If they end up having to re- cast, it should be because the trio are going on 25! Ha ha! From CLShannon at aol.com Wed Aug 13 04:24:03 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:24:03 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/03 9:15:55 PM, swmil at msn.com writes: << They ARE high. While many on this site thought the first two movies were "so-so" or eye candy, I liked the trio very much and the movies. They're just fun!! >> The actual paragraph says: <<< A rep for Warners said the studio will likely bring back the franchise's aging kid stars--Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint --for the fourth adventure, but it's possible filmmakers may decide to recast. A separate announcement regarding those roles will be made soon. <<<< I would put my hopes on the wording 'will likely bring back the franchise's aging kid stars...', rather than 'it's possible filmmakers may decide to recast' After all, the kids have already said they want to do it and with the filming schedule so tight, I can't see the advantage of recasting before GOF anyway. I know I would consider not even seeing GOF if they recast - call me strange, but I can't accept new actors, especially if any of the lines of the movie recall past events. It would be too jarring, some other actor as Ron saying to a new Harry, 'hey remember when you killed that basilisk' ;) And before everyone jumps on me and says, 'they never say that in GOF', I know that. But a script is not the book and you never know what kind of continuity dialogue they might have to insert. Plus I couldn't stand the adult actors being the same and having to react to new actors playing the kids - it negates all three of the first films in some way. But that's just me ;-) Cindy From origamiwizard at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 08:26:30 2003 From: origamiwizard at yahoo.com (origamiwizard) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:26:30 -0000 Subject: JKR in Biography Magazine In-Reply-To: <3F38CD7A.27682.741D50@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Pressnell" wrote: > The brand new September issue of Biography magazine has articles on both JK Rowling and Harry Potter's England including some nice photos of locations used in the > films. Highly recommended! It's the issue with Diane Lane on the cover. > > Amanda > -- > http://www.mandamia.com Thanks for the info! The pictures sound especially interesting--I will have to make a trip to Borders. OrigamiWizard From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 08:58:26 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:58:26 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/12/03 9:15:55 PM, swmil at m... writes: > > << They ARE high. While many on this site thought the first two > movies were "so-so" or eye candy, I liked the trio very much and the > movies. > > They're just fun!! >> > > The actual paragraph says: > <<< > A rep for Warners said the studio will likely bring back the > franchise's aging kid stars--Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint ... > <<<< > > ...edited... > > I know I would consider not even seeing GOF if they recast - call me > strange, but I can't accept new actors, especially if any of the > lines of the movie recall past events. It would be too jarring, > Cindy bboy_mn: High? They are positively smoking crack. And speaking of crack, what is this 'aging kid stars' crack. My mother at 75 is aging; Dan Radcliffe at 14 is not 'aging' in this context in any sense. Have you ever heard the expression, killing the goose that lays the golden eggs? When you get too greedy, you frequently end up with less instead of more. I could easily see that happening with Warner Brothers. An speaking of the goose, not only is it not wise to kill the goose that lays the billion dollar eggs, but it's also unwise to not feed the goose. True we don't know what pay Dan and the other primary characters have negotiated for Goblet of Fire, but I have no doubt it is way below the Hollywood standard for a money making franchise like this. JKR did Warner a great favor in insisting of British actors, because they work on a different scale and a much lower level of greed than US actors. Frankie Muniz (Malcom in the Middle) got $5 million for Agent Cody Banks which grossed $45 million. Dan Radcliffe got $2 million for a movie that grossed over $800 million. And with his pathetic gross of $45 million, they sign Frankie Muniz for Agent Cody Banks II. Also, keep in mind that Dan only got the $2 million because the Actor's Equity Union step in and force Warner to increase his salary. That makes me think that $2 million is like minimum wage for a roll like this. I would also like to know if Dan and the other actors are getting secondary royalties from mechandising rights, etc.... Warner certainly has a proven franchise here, they know for a fact that there is no way these movies can NOT make money, they have no excuse for low balling the primary actors on their salaries. The greatest threat to these movies is not the actors or the actors age, but the short sightedness of the studios. The attempt to make Goblet of Fire into a single 2.5 hour movie in unconscionable and irrational. The two existing movies by any standard were gutted to the limit. The movies, but more so CoS, jump from scene to scene with no explaination as to why things are happening, no plot development, no underlying character motivation. I have trouble believing that anyone who had never read the book could even make a coherent story out of what they were shown in CoS. Many of the scene that were filmed that developed the story line and explained people's action were found in the DVD extras. The movie would have been substantially improved if those scenes had been left in, and their total running time is not that much. If they try to squeeze PoA, which I think is one of the most important movies in the franchise, into 2.5 hrs, they will gut it to the point where it is a pointless hollow shell. If they try to do that to GoF, there won't even be enough left to resemble a movie. Can they really squeeze a coherent trip to the World Cup, three Triwizards tasks, and the confrontation and resolution of an encounter with Voldemort in to 2.5 hrs? I don't think so. We are esentially talking about losing far far more than half the book, to make the movie. If they do that, I suspect this will be the last HP movie of any significants. I simple can't believe that any HP fan will be satisfied with the movie, and it will certainly not reach the near billion dollar mark that the other movies have. This will be the axe falling on the neck of the Golden Billion Dollar Goose. What they realy need is a director and producer who have some independant artistic vision. Director and producer who will fight for that artistic vision and not let it be compromised. So far, none of the director I've heard suggested are anything more that product packaging technicians; stooges of corporate desire. Personally, I think Warner is hopelessly misguided, and will in my opinion be the doom of the franchise. PoA is there chance to prove that they do understand the story and they understand their audiences. If this movie doesn't live up to a reasonable standard, I think interest in future movies will fade fast. Of course, that just my opinion. bboy_mn From trisha.masen at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 12:59:10 2003 From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 8:59:10 -0400 Subject: "Aging" actors (I forgot the original thread title) Message-ID: <20030813125910.IAXS21766.out003.verizon.net@localhost> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 8/12/03 9:15:55 PM, swmil at m... writes: > > > > << They ARE high. While many on this site thought the first > > two movies were "so-so" or eye candy, I liked the trio very > > much and the movies. > > > > They're just fun!! >> > > > > The actual paragraph says: > > << > franchise's aging kid stars--Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and > > Rupert Grint ...<<<< > > ...edited... > > > > I know I would consider not even seeing GOF if they recast - > > call me strange, but I can't accept new actors, especially if > > any of the lines of the movie recall past events. It would be > > too jarring, > > Cindy > > bboy_mn: > > High? They are positively smoking crack. > > And speaking of crack, what is this 'aging kid stars' crack. > My mother at 75 is aging; Dan Radcliffe at 14 is not 'aging' in > this context in any sense. > ...edited... > > The greatest threat to these movies is not the actors or the > actors age, but the short sightedness of the studios. The attempt > to make Goblet of Fire into a single 2.5 hour movie in > unconscionable and irrational. > > The two existing movies by any standard were gutted to the limit. > The movies, but more so CoS, jump from scene to scene with no > explaination as to why things are happening, no plot development, > no underlying character motivation. I have trouble believing that > anyone who had never read the book could even make a coherent > story out of what they were shown in CoS. Many of the scene that > were filmed that developed the story line and explained people's > action were found in the DVD extras. The movie would have been > substantially improved if those scenes had been left in, and > their total running time is not that much. > > If they try to squeeze PoA, which I think is one of the most > important movies in the franchise, into 2.5 hrs, they will gut it > to the point where it is a pointless hollow shell. > > If they try to do that to GoF, there won't even be enough left to > resemble a movie. Can they really squeeze a coherent trip to the > World Cup, three Triwizards tasks, and the confrontation and > resolution of an encounter with Voldemort in to 2.5 hrs? I don't > think so. We are esentially talking about losing far far more > than half the book, to make the movie. If they do that, I suspect > this will be the last HP movie of any significants. I simple > can't believe that any HP fan will be satisfied with the movie, > and it will certainly not reach the near billion dollar mark that > the other movies have. This will be the axe falling on the neck > of the Golden Billion Dollar Goose. > > What they realy need is a director and producer who have some > independant artistic vision. > ...edited... > > bboy_mn Trisha: I actually got into an argument - er, "dicussion" - with someone on an airplane recently about the "aging" problem. There was a woman two rows back as we were exiting who had OotP and I asked her how she liked it. She said she was enjoying it. We got to talking about the movie and I imparted my knowledge about PoA. The guy between us then made the inane comment that they should be replacing the actors soon. I pointed out that "Harry Potter" in PoA is 13. Dan Radcliffe just turned 14. When they begin filming GoF, "Harry" will be 14 and Dan will most likely be 14 or 15. Then I asked the guy "How is that outgrowing the role?" He had no other comeback other than the actors would probably have to be replaced. So, there are lots of people on crack. As far as director, Mike Newell ("Four Weddings and a Funeral") seems to be the hired director from what I read. In Four Weddings, he did an amazing job with eliciting happiness and sadness - and making a star of Hugh Grant. The choice of director is okay. But, if they really are going to try to make it one movie and *not* two, it's going to suck. And, yes, that is the technical term. As has been pointed out, the three books before GoF are half the size of GoF and are, presumably, all 2? hours long. Wouldn't it stand to reason that a book twice as long would have to be a movie twice as long? I would watch a five-hour movie. Geez, "Gone With the Wind" is one of my favorites (though that's only four hours). Yes, I'm sure there are things that can be cut, but here is my list of things that cannot be cut from GoF: 1. First Task 2. Second Task 3. Third Task (scene I don't want to miss: Voldemort's ressurection. This should be **at least** 30 minutes.) 4. "Moody"'s unveiling 5. Hermione's kiss at King's Cross Station I'm sure there are others, but I need coffee and can't think of them. ~Trisha From tracie622 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 13:46:51 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:46:51 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? Message-ID: I totally agree with everyone on here who has said how awful the thought of GOF being one movie is. I, for one, can not see how this can be done without seriously hacking the death out of the book. There are so many wonderful and exciting things happening in GOF. 1. The Riddle House 2.The muggle post by Mrs Weasley with all the stamps on it. And Harry's letter to Sirius, plus all the bday owl posts. And the post by Ron using "pig". 2. The Weasleys busting thru the Dursley's boarded up fireplace to "pick" Harry up for the Quidditch World Cup. (This brought tears to my eyes I was laughing so hard) 3. The Burrow, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, Bill, Charlie..etc. 4.The World Cup itself (this will take at least 30 minutes as so many things happened there) Okay...that's just the first HOUR.... 5. Hogwarts express and the begin of term feast...DD describes the TWT. The arrival of Mad Eye Moody. 6. DADA and the Unforgivables...this is really important because it brings to light some of Nevilles apprehensions 7. The arrival of the visiting students from the two other schools. 8. placing the names in the Goblet and the announcements, Harry's name being read. 9. The wand weighing...important because we see Ollivander again, learn a little more about Harry's wand..which is very important at the end of this book when old voldy shows up again. 10. The First Task Okay...i'd say we are thru the 2nd hour. so...we squeeze the second and third tasks...voldie's re-emergence, the confrontation and Cedric's death in the graveyard..the revealing of Barty Jr...DD's "glint"...Sirius being "revealed"...all in the last half hour??? they are MAD!!! I don't know about anyone else...but if they do this..and hack it to bits...I'm not going to bother going to see it. I love these books too much to see them butchered like this. I said before in another post. GOF and OotP are both twice as long as the first three books. Squeezing PoA into a 2.5 hour movie is going to be bad enough...but GoF and OotP??? I can't see how it can be done without losing the story. I don't care how good a director you have...it just won't work. Oh, and as far as the kids go...Harry, Hermoine, and Ron all "age" in the books..seems only natural that Dan, Emma and Rupert age right along with them...I wouldn't be able to see any other kids playing those roles. all of them at Warner must be on drugs. Or else they all slipped into insanity over night... Tracie...who was appalled when she read about this...and needs coffee...badly! From tracie622 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 13:50:34 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:50:34 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > I totally agree with everyone on here who has said how awful the > thought of GOF being one movie is. I, for one, can not see how this > can be done without seriously hacking the death out of the book. > There are so many wonderful and exciting things happening in GOF. > > 1. The Riddle House > > 2.The muggle post by Mrs Weasley with all the stamps on it. And > Harry's letter to Sirius, plus all the bday owl posts. And the post > by Ron using "pig". > > 2. The Weasleys busting thru the Dursley's boarded up fireplace > to "pick" Harry up for the Quidditch World Cup. (This brought tears > to my eyes I was laughing so hard) > > 3. The Burrow, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, Bill, Charlie..etc. > > 4.The World Cup itself (this will take at least 30 minutes as so > many things happened there) > > Okay...that's just the first HOUR.... > > 5. Hogwarts express and the begin of term feast...DD describes the > TWT. The arrival of Mad Eye Moody. > > 6. DADA and the Unforgivables...this is really important because it > brings to light some of Nevilles apprehensions > > 7. The arrival of the visiting students from the two other schools. > > 8. placing the names in the Goblet and the announcements, Harry's > name being read. > > 9. The wand weighing...important because we see Ollivander again, > learn a little more about Harry's wand..which is very important at > the end of this book when old voldy shows up again. > > 10. The First Task > > Okay...i'd say we are thru the 2nd hour. > > so...we squeeze the second and third tasks...voldie's re- emergence, > the confrontation and Cedric's death in the graveyard..the revealing > of Barty Jr...DD's "glint"...Sirius being "revealed"...all in the > last half hour??? > > they are MAD!!! I don't know about anyone else...but if they do > this..and hack it to bits...I'm not going to bother going to see > it. I love these books too much to see them butchered like this. I > said before in another post. GOF and OotP are both twice as long as > the first three books. Squeezing PoA into a 2.5 hour movie is going > to be bad enough...but GoF and OotP??? I can't see how it can be > done without losing the story. I don't care how good a director you > have...it just won't work. > > Oh, and as far as the kids go...Harry, Hermoine, and Ron all "age" > in the books..seems only natural that Dan, Emma and Rupert age right > along with them...I wouldn't be able to see any other kids playing > those roles. > > all of them at Warner must be on drugs. Or else they all slipped > into insanity over night... > > Tracie...who was appalled when she read about this...and needs > coffee...badly! OH..and I forgot to mention all of Rita Skeeter's scoops, the Yule Ball, SPEW, Padfoot in the cave, the Pensieve trial memories of the DE's..... 2.5 hours??????????? they are mad...mad...mad!!! From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Wed Aug 13 14:40:48 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:40:48 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030813092845.00bbae78@mail.kriselda.net> First, I have to say I agree with your rant about the possible recasting of the leads, calling them "aging kids stars", the patheticness of their salaries and the general greed of the studios. Couldn't have said all that better myself! Steve recently mentioned: >The two existing movies by any standard were gutted to the limit. The >movies, but more so CoS, jump from scene to scene with no explaination >as to why things are happening, no plot development, no underlying >character motivation. I have trouble believing that anyone who had >never read the book could even make a coherent story out of what they >were shown in CoS. I actually did quite well. I'd heard from friends for years how good the Harry Potter books, and then how good the PS movie was, but I resisted because, well, I hate liking things that are highly popular. I'm just kind of contrary like that sometimes. :) One day, though, I was horribly bored and PS was one cable, so I figured what the hey, I'd give it a shot and maybe get a few laughs out of how stupid I just knew it was going to be. I watched it again 3 hours later on the "West" version of the channel (same shows, but shows them 3 hours later so people on the West coast can see stuff at a time that's decent for them). I think I saw it 2 or 3 times after that in the next day or so. I was absolutely enchanted. Unfortuantely, I'm disabled and homebound so I can't go to out to the movies - I have to wait until they're released on DVD - but I was so eager to see COS that I had my husband go buy it for me the date the DVD was released and watched it for the first, second and third times that day. There was a bit of plot-jumpiness to it, but I didn't have any problem following the story at all! A few days after that, I ordered a set of the "Adult Version" books from Amazon UK (I absolutely loved the black covers and wanted to read them in the original British) and plowed through them. So, it is possible for someone who's never read the book to follow the story in COS ok - the book itself was considerably better, no doubt, but the movie was pretty good in my opinion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From WFeuchter at msn.com Wed Aug 13 14:46:13 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:46:13 -0000 Subject: Time to Respond to WB Message-ID: I think that it is time to let Warner Brothers know exactly what the fans of the movies think of the "proposed" changes that are being floated. As rational adults we should be able to let them know that we, as the funders (if that is a word) of their money making franchise, have a voice in how they spend OUR money! Replacing the kids because they are "aging" is not acceptable. It appears that the people who control production have not read the books, or they are trying to keep the material suitable for the 10 year old kids. Neither of which should be allowed. Trying to cram all of GOF into one 3 hour movie will leave to much out. Let alone doing that to OOP. We need to point out in an intellegent manner what we feel is necessary for us to continue to support their movies. That we understand that a movie is not a book, but that for us Harry Potter, what he does and what he is subjected to is what matters. It is important to keep in mind that if the kids or their parents feel a need to leave, we have to support that. They have given a large part of their young lives to bring us Harry, and their needs come first. With that said, now is the time to go on the offensive to try and keep the movies as true as possible to cannon, and to retain all the actors for as long as is feasible. Letting the actors make the decision NOT the studio! Bill From Audra1976 at aol.com Wed Aug 13 14:51:32 2003 From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:51:32 EDT Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks Message-ID: <1cb.f32b961.2c6baa74@aol.com> I've waited to post on this topic because I'm American and not as familiar with all the excellent British actors. So I have read others opinions, and done my best to track down work of the actors that they suggested and see if I agreed or disagreed and added them to my dream cast. My ideas: Mr. Crouch - Tim Curry Narcissa Malfoy - Famke Janssen Prof. Trelawney - Tracy Ullman Mrs. Figg - Juliet Stevenson Rita Skeeter....Jennifer Saunders Igor Karakoff - Jeremy Irons Madame Maxime - Anjelica Huston (if they could just use *one* wonderful American actress) Others ideas that I wholeheartedly support: Alastor Moody - Christopher Ellison Ludo Bagman - Stephen Fry Mundungus - Ian Holm Kingsley - Colin Salmon Prof. Umbridge - Imelda Staunton Bellatrix LeStrange - Kristin Scott Thomas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk Wed Aug 13 15:39:59 2003 From: granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk (Kitty MacFarlane) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:39:59 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <20030812170521.34498.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant good call!!! > > > > Crouch - Roger Moore not him. Anyone but him. > > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor Sean Bean > > > > Moody - Sean Connery No, lets have the truly mad Tom Baker. Who can forget his Captain Redbeard Rum in Blackadder II? > > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter neither wafty enough. I vote for Jane Horrocks (Bubble in AbFab) or or Sophie Thompson in her finest Miss Bates mode. > > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson yes good > > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) Who cares about Frank Bryce? > > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave yes, good. > > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench good but much too old. I'd like to see Jennifer Saunders play Umbridge. She is soooo good at that fake sugary tone of voice. > > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones Kristen has the hooded eyes. Give her dark hair and shes got it. > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren Please! Lets have Joanna Lumley. So much more fun. > > > Tonks - Kate Winslet No! Also, Ludo Bagman MUST be played by Martin Clunes. Who else could portray that dodgy, getting desparate, gambling, gone-to-seed athlete so well? Kitty From thegreatwebguru at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:09:36 2003 From: thegreatwebguru at yahoo.com (thegreatwebguru) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:09:36 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: bboy_mn wrote: > > High? They are positively smoking crack. > > And speaking of crack, what is this 'aging kid stars' crack. My mother > at 75 is aging; Dan Radcliffe at 14 is not 'aging' in this context in > any sense. > > Have you ever heard the expression, killing the goose that lays the > golden eggs? When you get too greedy, you frequently end up with less > instead of more. I could easily see that happening with Warner Brothers. > > An speaking of the goose, not only is it not wise to kill the goose > that lays the billion dollar eggs, but it's also unwise to not feed > the goose. True we don't know what pay Dan and the other primary > characters have negotiated for Goblet of Fire, but I have no doubt it > is way below the Hollywood standard for a money making franchise like > this. JKR did Warner a great favor in insisting of British actors, > because they work on a different scale and a much lower level of greed > than US actors. > > Frankie Muniz (Malcom in the Middle) got $5 million for Agent Cody > Banks which grossed $45 million. Dan Radcliffe got $2 million for a > movie that grossed over $800 million. And with his pathetic gross of > $45 million, they sign Frankie Muniz for Agent Cody Banks II. Also, > keep in mind that Dan only got the $2 million because the Actor's > Equity Union step in and force Warner to increase his salary. That > makes me think that $2 million is like minimum wage for a roll like > this. I would also like to know if Dan and the other actors are > getting secondary royalties from mechandising rights, etc.... > > Warner certainly has a proven franchise here, they know for a fact > that there is no way these movies can NOT make money, they have no > excuse for low balling the primary actors on their salaries. > > The greatest threat to these movies is not the actors or the actors > age, but the short sightedness of the studios. The attempt to make > Goblet of Fire into a single 2.5 hour movie in unconscionable and > irrational. > > The two existing movies by any standard were gutted to the limit. The > movies, but more so CoS, jump from scene to scene with no explaination > as to why things are happening, no plot development, no underlying > character motivation. I have trouble believing that anyone who had > never read the book could even make a coherent story out of what they > were shown in CoS. Many of the scene that were filmed that developed > the story line and explained people's action were found in the DVD > extras. The movie would have been substantially improved if those > scenes had been left in, and their total running time is not that much. > > If they try to squeeze PoA, which I think is one of the most important > movies in the franchise, into 2.5 hrs, they will gut it to the point > where it is a pointless hollow shell. > > If they try to do that to GoF, there won't even be enough left to > resemble a movie. Can they really squeeze a coherent trip to the World > Cup, three Triwizards tasks, and the confrontation and resolution of > an encounter with Voldemort in to 2.5 hrs? I don't think so. We are > esentially talking about losing far far more than half the book, to > make the movie. If they do that, I suspect this will be the last HP > movie of any significants. I simple can't believe that any HP fan will > be satisfied with the movie, and it will certainly not reach the near > billion dollar mark that the other movies have. This will be the axe > falling on the neck of the Golden Billion Dollar Goose. > > What they realy need is a director and producer who have some > independant artistic vision. Director and producer who will fight for > that artistic vision and not let it be compromised. So far, none of > the director I've heard suggested are anything more that product > packaging technicians; stooges of corporate desire. > > Personally, I think Warner is hopelessly misguided, and will in my > opinion be the doom of the franchise. PoA is there chance to prove > that they do understand the story and they understand their audiences. > If this movie doesn't live up to a reasonable standard, I think > interest in future movies will fade fast. > > Of course, that just my opinion. > > bboy_mn now me: See the problem with that, is it makes too much sense. These movies are going to be readapted in the next 50 years by a director who appreciates the literature much more. It is really difficult to make a series of movies when you don't know the ending. This adaptation doesn't know what charachters to develope, what hints to throw out, and what themes to cover. All the news I have heard has been negative about the future of the films. I've all but given up, and couldn't agree more with that well written summation of frustration about how those corprate big heads at WB are really messing up big time. From tmarends at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:29:08 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:29:08 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > I totally agree with everyone on here who has said how awful the > thought of GOF being one movie is. I, for one, can not see how this > can be done without seriously hacking the death out of the book. > There are so many wonderful and exciting things happening in GOF. > > 1. The Riddle House > > 2.The muggle post by Mrs Weasley with all the stamps on it. And > Harry's letter to Sirius, plus all the bday owl posts. And the post > by Ron using "pig". > > 2. The Weasleys busting thru the Dursley's boarded up fireplace > to "pick" Harry up for the Quidditch World Cup. (This brought tears > to my eyes I was laughing so hard) > > 3. The Burrow, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, Bill, Charlie..etc. > > 4.The World Cup itself (this will take at least 30 minutes as so > many things happened there) > > Okay...that's just the first HOUR.... > > 5. Hogwarts express and the begin of term feast...DD describes the > TWT. The arrival of Mad Eye Moody. > > 6. DADA and the Unforgivables...this is really important because it > brings to light some of Nevilles apprehensions > > 7. The arrival of the visiting students from the two other schools. > > 8. placing the names in the Goblet and the announcements, Harry's > name being read. > > 9. The wand weighing...important because we see Ollivander again, > learn a little more about Harry's wand..which is very important at > the end of this book when old voldy shows up again. > > 10. The First Task > > Okay...i'd say we are thru the 2nd hour. > > so...we squeeze the second and third tasks...voldie's re-emergence, > the confrontation and Cedric's death in the graveyard..the revealing > of Barty Jr...DD's "glint"...Sirius being "revealed"...all in the > last half hour??? > > they are MAD!!! I don't know about anyone else...but if they do > this..and hack it to bits...I'm not going to bother going to see > it. I love these books too much to see them butchered like this. I > said before in another post. GOF and OotP are both twice as long as > the first three books. Squeezing PoA into a 2.5 hour movie is going > to be bad enough...but GoF and OotP??? I can't see how it can be > done without losing the story. I don't care how good a director you > have...it just won't work. > > Oh, and as far as the kids go...Harry, Hermoine, and Ron all "age" > in the books..seems only natural that Dan, Emma and Rupert age right > along with them...I wouldn't be able to see any other kids playing > those roles. > > all of them at Warner must be on drugs. Or else they all slipped > into insanity over night... > > Tracie...who was appalled when she read about this...and needs > coffee...badly! How come everyone seems to keep missing the "unexpected task"?? That's something you just can't leave out either as it sets up the second task. Tim From tmarends at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:34:24 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:34:24 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kitty MacFarlane" wrote: > > > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > Please! Lets have Joanna Lumley. So much more fun. When I first read GoF, I thought of Emma Thompson for this role. From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 13 19:02:53 2003 From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:02:53 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kitty MacFarlane" wrote: June's humble opnions below > > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > good call!!! > > > > > > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > not him. Anyone but him. > > > > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > Sean Bean Neither - Ewan is too pretty these days. Sean is too beefcake. > > > > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > No, lets have the truly mad Tom Baker. Who can forget his Captain > Redbeard Rum in Blackadder II? Tom Baker too old. I like Ian Holmfor this. > > > > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > neither wafty enough. I vote for Jane Horrocks (Bubble in AbFab) or or > Sophie Thompson in her finest Miss Bates mode. Jane Horrocks - yes yes. > > > > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > yes good No Miranda would make a better Bellatrix that Kristen Scott Thomas - she can do nasty psycho (check out her take on Elizabeth I in Blackadder as a psychotic child) > > > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > Who cares about Frank Bryce? > > > > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > yes, good. > > > > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench Kathy Burke - see her portrayal as Mary Tudor in the Kapoor film Elizabeth. Very toadlike. > > > > > > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > Kristen has the hooded eyes. Give her dark hair and shes got it. > > > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > Please! Lets have Joanna Lumley. So much more fun. Try Alison Steadman - I once saw her in a comedy as an utterly unscrupulous tabloid journalist - perfect. > > > > > Tonks - Kate Winslet > > No! Jane Horrocks could do this one as well. > > Also, Ludo Bagman MUST be played by Martin Clunes. Who else could > portray that dodgy, getting desparate, gambling, gone-to-seed athlete > so well? The guy who played Bridget Jones new boss in the Diary movie - can't remember his first name, surname Pearson - just the right amount of smarm. June > > Kitty From gbannister10 at aol.com Wed Aug 13 20:23:49 2003 From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:23:49 -0000 Subject: GoF & OoP- Each made in Two Halfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >But, unless they want to end it like the first Lord > of the Rings where it just stops and leaves you hanging, I can't think > of any other place near the center of OoP that is a suitable stopping > point. > > But, I guess we are years away from having to worry about OoP, the movie. > > That's not strictly true about LOTR:FOTR. The film stops where the first volume stops with Frodo and Sam crossing the river. A small piece from the second book (the funeral boat of Boromir and the trio setting out to follow the Orcs) is included. Geoff From mollsballs322 at aol.com Wed Aug 13 20:04:05 2003 From: mollsballs322 at aol.com (mmouse322) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:04:05 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > > I totally agree with everyone on here who has said how awful the > > thought of GOF being one movie is. I, for one, can not see how > this > > can be done without seriously hacking the death out of the book. > > There are so many wonderful and exciting things happening in GOF. > > > > 1. The Riddle House > > > > 2.The muggle post by Mrs Weasley with all the stamps on it. And > > Harry's letter to Sirius, plus all the bday owl posts. And the > post > > by Ron using "pig". > > > > 2. The Weasleys busting thru the Dursley's boarded up fireplace > > to "pick" Harry up for the Quidditch World Cup. (This brought > tears > > to my eyes I was laughing so hard) > > > > 3. The Burrow, Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, Bill, Charlie..etc. > > > > 4.The World Cup itself (this will take at least 30 minutes as so > > many things happened there) > > > > Okay...that's just the first HOUR.... > > > > 5. Hogwarts express and the begin of term feast...DD describes the > > TWT. The arrival of Mad Eye Moody. > > > > 6. DADA and the Unforgivables...this is really important because > it > > brings to light some of Nevilles apprehensions > > > > 7. The arrival of the visiting students from the two other schools. > > > > 8. placing the names in the Goblet and the announcements, Harry's > > name being read. > > > > 9. The wand weighing...important because we see Ollivander again, > > learn a little more about Harry's wand..which is very important at > > the end of this book when old voldy shows up again. > > > > 10. The First Task > > > > Okay...i'd say we are thru the 2nd hour. > > > > so...we squeeze the second and third tasks...voldie's re- > emergence, > > the confrontation and Cedric's death in the graveyard..the > revealing > > of Barty Jr...DD's "glint"...Sirius being "revealed"...all in the > > last half hour??? > > > > they are MAD!!! I don't know about anyone else...but if they do > > this..and hack it to bits...I'm not going to bother going to see > > it. I love these books too much to see them butchered like this. > I > > said before in another post. GOF and OotP are both twice as long > as > > the first three books. Squeezing PoA into a 2.5 hour movie is > going > > to be bad enough...but GoF and OotP??? I can't see how it can be > > done without losing the story. I don't care how good a director > you > > have...it just won't work. > > > > Oh, and as far as the kids go...Harry, Hermoine, and Ron all "age" > > in the books..seems only natural that Dan, Emma and Rupert age > right > > along with them...I wouldn't be able to see any other kids playing > > those roles. > > > > all of them at Warner must be on drugs. Or else they all slipped > > into insanity over night... > > > > Tracie...who was appalled when she read about this...and needs > > coffee...badly! > > > OH..and I forgot to mention all of Rita Skeeter's scoops, the Yule > Ball, SPEW, Padfoot in the cave, the Pensieve trial memories of the > DE's..... > > 2.5 hours??????????? they are mad...mad...mad!!! -- there is absolutely NO WAY that they can make GoF into one movie, I was shocked that they're actually going through with it. I've been saying since PS first came out that they'd be finished at PoA. I knew they'd try to stuff it all into one movie, which makes me wonder if they've even READ the books? How can anyone who's read them even think about making it one movie? Obviously, major points will have to be cut or butchered to an "acceptable" length - i'm thinking here of the Yule Ball, SPEW, Burrow scenes, Unforgivables lesson, and the wand weighing, and those are just scenes that are essential! Everything that happens ties into later plots, not only in GoF, but OotP as well (let's not even get started on that one) The people at WB have definatly lost their minds, if they even had them to begin with. molly, who's nearly crippled with apoleptic rage by this news ps: Get new kids for the Trio? They lucked out in the first place to get kids who look the part, can act (sort of), and are the right age. Who else could play them? I think maybe a monkey is secretly making all the decisions for WB. From mbouhon at noos.fr Wed Aug 13 22:04:51 2003 From: mbouhon at noos.fr (Mathilde Bouhon) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:04:51 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Fanny Ardant as Olympe Maxime? AAAARGH!!!! (was Re: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks) In-Reply-To: <20030812170521.34498.qmail@web20507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2961402E-CDDA-11D7-8CBE-0050E46E566F@noos.fr> Le mardi, 12 ao? 2003, ? 19:05 Europe/Paris, eowynn_24 a ?crit : > > > Maxine - Fanny Ardant > > > > Karakoff - > > > > Crouch - Roger Moore > > > > Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor > > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > > > Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter > > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > > > Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones > > >? > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > > Tonks - Kate Winslet > > > What awful casting choices! Half of these actors appear to have been > > chosen only because they are British and roughly about the right age. > > I only agree with the Bellatrix and Narcissa ideas, although Sean > > Connery and Ewan MacGregor are possibles (Ewan MacGregor would make a > > much better Bill Weasley, though). Roger Moore particularly appalls > > me. And Kate Winslet could never play Tonks. Surely, surely, SURELY > > this isn't the final list? Or even a list composed of the ideas of > > several people? Isn't this just one person's vague recollection of a > > few actors who happen to be British? > > Kirstini, ill and therefore vicious. > > Thank you > > I was getting a little worried that I was the only one who read this > list and was disappointed. I really like Emma T. and think that she > would do well in the role of Trelawney. However, Catherine Zeta Jones > and Kate Winslet, UGH. IMO neither of them can act very well, and they > wouldn't be able to portray those parts with any justice. Can we > please choose someone else for those parts. As for Sean C. and Ewan M. > I am all for them, I believe that they are good choices for Crouch Jr > and Moody, but I could also Ewan as one of the Weasley brothers. > > Eowynn Well, put me in the package as well! I am a great supporter of a Miranda Richardson as Narcissa - Kristin Scott-Thomas as Bellatrix ticket and would be very curious to see Emma Thompson as Trelawney, but as for the rest (Catherine Zeta Jones as Bellatrix? Come on)... The one casting suggestion that definitely turned me off though was the idea of Fanny Ardant as Madame Maxime... FANNY ARDANT AS OLYMPE MAXIME??? No way!!!!! Just because our great and dear Mrs Ardant is a great french actress and has the most incredible posh accent of the whole french acting circuit doesn't qualify her for this part... I have always pictured Madame Maxime as an impressive and, let's say, "healthy" woman, and although I do like Fanny Ardant I just cannot see her as a semi-giant (nor as a woman with "thick bones" ;-) ), she is too thin and looks like a girafe! To cast her as the almost rabelaisian Madame Maxime would, to my opinion, be a casting catastrophy. (And please, pleaaaaase don't suggest Catherine Deneuve or Nathalie Baye either just because they are french and famous!!!) To my taste, for Olympe Maxime we need someone like Marianne James or the singer Juliette (although I don't know if the latter one acts): someone big and strong, slightly overweighted, impressive and authoritative. And with a great sense of humour as well as a real gift for frensh aksent ine inngliche ;-) Mathilde, french, fan of Olympe Maxime, and ready to start a "we-french-HP-fans-want-a-proper-semi-giantess-as-Olympe-Maxime" petition if WB ever casts Fanny Ardant in that part ;-))) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mbouhon at noos.fr Wed Aug 13 22:10:12 2003 From: mbouhon at noos.fr (Mathilde Bouhon) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:10:12 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le mercredi, 13 ao? 2003, ? 00:45 Europe/Paris, Donna a ?crit : > > I also find it interesting that in CoS, the school robes and uniforms > are decidedly different on Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle, than the > uniforms that the trio wear.? It seems to me, they did extensive > research on British school uniforms. > > And has anyone noticed that most of the Wizards in Cos are wearing > clothing reminicent of the 1800's?? When you see Lucius and Fudge in > Hagrid's hut, their clothing and hair seem to be in style with the > late 1790's early 1800's. > Absolutely. I totally agree with you remarks about the costumes, Donna! I found all those wizard clothing styles very fascinating, they are part of the magic of the movies... I particularly *adore* Lucius' clothing and hairstyles! Ollivander is another great favourite, and I hope we will get the wand checking scene in GoF, just for the pleasure to get another two minutes of John Hurt as the old wand-maker... :-) Mathilde [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mbouhon at noos.fr Wed Aug 13 23:06:03 2003 From: mbouhon at noos.fr (Mathilde Bouhon) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 01:06:03 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le mercredi, 13 ao? 2003, ? 22:04 Europe/Paris, mmouse322 a ?crit : > > I think maybe a monkey is secretly > making all the decisions for WB. > I couldn't verbalize it better! I just cannot believe all those news about how WB is dealing with GoF --if they wanted to completely destroy HP and his Wizarding World, they would probably do it just the same... There is something I do not understand, though. Isn't anyone going to stop them from totally messing it up??? As for the idea of casting a brand new trio... Just like Cindy, I would also put my hopes on the "will likely bring back the franchise's aging kid stars". When are those people from WB understand that what this so-called "aging" is a completely natural process and that Dan/Emma/Rupert are "aging" just like Harry/Emma/Ron are?! They definitely need: 1) to, obviously, read the HP books! and 2) to watch Fran?ois Truffaut's movies about the character of Antoine Doisnel. It started in 1959 with the Four Hundred Blows, continued with Antoine and Colette (1962), Stolen Kisses (1968) and Bed and Board (1970) and ended in 1979 with Love on the run. All the movies star Jean-Pierre L?aud as the main character Antoine Doinel, all the way from 14 to 34... and his main two love interests are also impersonated by the same actresses across the last four movies. "Aging"? Pfff......... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Aug 14 00:40:15 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:40:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? References: Message-ID: <003f01c361fc$a1bc2220$56a3cdd1@RVotaw> Mathilde Bouhon wrote: > As for the idea of casting a brand new trio... Just like Cindy, I would > also put my hopes on the "will likely bring back the franchise's aging > kid stars". When are those people from WB understand that what this Just to throw my two cents in here, basically I think the WB comment can be interpreted as follows "We'd love to have the cast back unless of course they don't want to come in which case we will recast them." Which they, quite obviously, aren't going to say. :) > so-called "aging" is a completely natural process and that Yes, and it's a good thing they are "aging" or else they'd be dead. (Well it's true, that's the only time anyone stops aging--and starts deteriorating). Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From aimking0110 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 14 02:48:21 2003 From: aimking0110 at yahoo.com (Garrett) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:48:21 -0000 Subject: Fanny Ardant as Olympe Maxime? AAAARGH!!!! (was Re: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks) In-Reply-To: <2961402E-CDDA-11D7-8CBE-0050E46E566F@noos.fr> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mathilde Bouhon wrote: > > Le mardi, 12 ao? 2003, ? 19:05 Europe/Paris, eowynn_24 a ?crit : Maxine - Fanny Ardant Karakoff - Collin Ferrel Crouch - Martin sheen if can talk british Crouch Jr - Emilio Esteves (sheens son) Moody - Patrick stewart Trelawney - Emma Thompson or Helena Bonham-Carter Narcissa - Miranda Richardson Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?)Richard from Keeping up appearnces(from texas and dont know the actors name.) Figg - Vanessa Redgrave Umbridge - I dont know her name but the annoying lady from keeping up appearences (im from texas and i use to watch that show but forgot her name :-P) Bellatrix - Kristin Scott-Thomas or Catherine Zeta Jones Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren Tonks - Kate Winslet Garrett From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Thu Aug 14 15:08:16 2003 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (lunalovegoodrules) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:08:16 -0000 Subject: One movie, but 3.5 hours Message-ID: Like Werckmeister Harmonies, the Sacrifice and Nostalghia by Tarvosky, or Ulysses Gaze. Maybe Bela Tarr could be approached for OoP.... LOL... he'd have been my choice for GoF, at any rate. Francois Truffaut! and WB? Now, there's a match made in the Quibbler. dan From manda at qx.net Thu Aug 14 18:57:15 2003 From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:57:15 -0700 Subject: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: <000a01c3614b$ba4a2a50$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: <3F3B791B.20588.1F14295@localhost> On 12 Aug 2003 at 12:48, joanne0012 wrote: > > JKR has mentioned in an interview that there's a magic quill that writes down > the names of Hogwarts candidates as they're born. Perhaps the list was the > one generated by the quill, in birth order? Is the sorting consistent with the > few birth dates that we know? Sorta. Ron was born in March, Harry in July, and Hermione in September (all in 1980). The order in the sorting ceremony is Hermione, Ron, Harry. However, there was some confusion at one point about Hermione maybe being born in 1979. I think that's been cleared up now (wasn't there a JKR-sanctioned timeline on the DVD-ROM of CoS or Book magazine or something?), but maybe that's the birthdate they used and there is a method to the madness after all. http://www.hp-lexicon.org/timeline_hermione.html#birthyear On 12 Aug 2003 at 23:33, joj wrote: > They're going to be making GOF into one movie and they're considering recasting the trio. Are they high? About the recasting, yes. About making GoF just one movie, not necessarily. I think it's a good idea. GoF has, in my opinion, always been the weakest HP book just because it's so unnecessarily long. It's the only HP book I actually get bored reading. I'll leave it to others to make in-depth lists of what can be cut (and there's plenty). I'm not good at that kind of thing. But one thing I'm certain must be cut is the second task. Can anyone honestly believe that this set of filmmakers can do believable underwater sequences? I don't think they can unless they significantly improve the special effects work. It sounds like they're attempting to do that with PoA and the dementors, so there may yet be hope. But story-wise, the second task is non-essential. Manda -- http://www.mandamia.com From jeanico at securenet.net Thu Aug 14 18:57:51 2003 From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:57:51 -0000 Subject: Woah! how frustrating! Message-ID: The posts about recasting came as quite a surprise to me because I'd read in Newsweek that Dan, Ron and Emma had signed on for GOF. I hope we won't have to be tormented too long before the powers that be let us know whether our favourite kids will be back on board for GOF. Nicole Who's having a "sucky" kind of day From lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 14 19:10:50 2003 From: lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk (lunalove_good) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:10:50 -0000 Subject: HP on TV Message-ID: I was thinking that the harry potter series would be great to be made for TV. Maybe a miniseries or any kind of show with several episodes. I know this could never have the visual effects that the movies have, but I don't care so much about that as I do about the things that are cut from the books and the fact that in the movies you can hardly feel the length of the school year as you do when you read the books. If you make a chapter or two into one episode, and you show them once a week it would last the whole year. You could put every little detail of the book, even the funny parts that are almost completely omitted in the films (Fred and George!!!!!). Every year would be one season, and you'd have seven seasons assured. It could be a British production for all the world or maybe HBO, I don't know, I'm from argentina. I would really love to watch this show weekly. Rocio From mollsballs322 at aol.com Thu Aug 14 19:56:00 2003 From: mollsballs322 at aol.com (mmouse322) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:56:00 -0000 Subject: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: <3F3B791B.20588.1F14295@localhost> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda Pressnell" wrote: They're going to be making GOF into one movie and they're considering recasting the trio. Are they high? > > About the recasting, yes. About making GoF just one movie, not necessarily. I think it's a good idea. GoF has, in my opinion, always been the weakest HP book just > because it's so unnecessarily long. It's the only HP book I actually get bored reading. I'll leave it to others to make in-depth lists of what can be cut (and there's plenty). I'm > not good at that kind of thing. But one thing I'm certain must be cut is the second task. Can anyone honestly believe that this set of filmmakers can do believable > underwater sequences? I don't think they can unless they significantly improve the special effects work. It sounds like they're attempting to do that with PoA and the > dementors, so there may yet be hope. But story-wise, the second task is non-essential. > > Manda > -- > http://www.mandamia.com --Wow, I'm surprised that you think GoF is the weakest book, I've always thought it was the strongest. I never thought of it as "unnecessarily long". Can I ask which parts you think weren't needed? My favorite part about these books are how little things you've forgotten about come back and become very important to the story, and I thnk GoF does the best job of twisting together different plots. As for cutting out the second task: What?! I agree that it will be extremely hard to make it look believable (yet another reason why I think WB is mad for trying to make this a movie). There are several reasons to keep the 2nd Task, the first being that, without it, what's the point of the TWT? What kind of compition has only two tasks? That seems a bit silly to just fight a dragon and then go through the maze. Another is that it shows Harry's "moral fiber" or weakness at being a hero (whichever way you want to look at it) which is a huge, huge point in OotP (if they choose to make that). Plus (and this is the reason I love the 2nd Task), it shows that even though Harry and Ron had that huge fight, Ron is still the most important person to Harry, the person he'd miss the most. Sorry this is so long, but if you take out something like the second task, why not just take out the whole Tournament and have Harry and Cedric both grab the same bottle of butterbeer/Voldemort's portkey in Hogsmead? Molly, who's definatly worrying too much about this whole thing. ps: another though just struck me. If they take out the Yule Ball (or play it down), which they probably will, then how are they going to explain why Hermione is the most important thing to Krum in the 2nd Task? Sweet mother, HOW are they going to make this movie? From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Aug 14 21:52:49 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:52:49 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Woah! how frustrating! References: Message-ID: <016101c362ae$67cfa980$dca0cdd1@RVotaw> Nicole wrote: > The posts about recasting came as quite a surprise to me because I'd > read in Newsweek that Dan, Ron and Emma had signed on for GOF. > I hope we won't have to be tormented too long before the powers that > be let us know whether our favourite kids will be back on board for > GOF. Okay, everybody hold on. First of all, the sentence with the word "recast" in it has to be looked at in context. It's part of a phrase immediately following a sentence that says the main cast will likely return for GoF. They haven't been signed yet, they've never signed on for the next movie to be filmed until the major filming was over for the one they were working on. (Adults have, yes, but not kids.) Obviously, WB can't count their chickens before they hatch. They can't tell the world the main cast is returning if there's nothing in writing. Suppose they bring in a contract, everyone's ready to sign, and something happens to change one of the kids (or parents) mind about continuing. WB wouldn't want to look stupid, so they'll always leave that "possibly" in there. Obviously they would recast rather than quit making movies. But trust me, they are no where near recasting, because you can't recast without audtioning actors, and we'd have heard about that. Recasting is only a fallback plan. Richelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From SusanXG at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 23:48:55 2003 From: SusanXG at hotmail.com (xandersgirl18) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:48:55 -0000 Subject: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: re: the second task The underwater effects are really not all that difficult. Look at Titanic, Lord of the Rings, and more recently Pirates of the Carribean. They've done them on TV with the use of water tanks on studio lots. They can do crazy things with CGI and make it beliveable. Besides, they could film the scene 'wet on dry' which is basically the actors standing against a blue screen and the water is added around them. That was done in "The Fellowship of the Ring" when Sam is drowning underwater (at the end of the film). I really don't see the point of cutting out the second task. Steve Kloves should use the three tasks as tentpoles in the script. And they need the Yule Ball for boy-girl action which was one of the reasons Mike Newell was hired (because apparently he's good at capturing burgeoning hormones on-screen). The Yule Ba ll is part of the Triwizard Tournament. I think that's what the movie is going to focus on the most. The Quidditch World Cup will be the big Quidditch Game of the movie, but they'll probably cut most of that out. The outline for GoF should look like this: Prologue- Harry's Dream 1. Dursleys + The Letter + Fred and George use the Ton-Tongue Toffee on Dudley. 2. Qudditch World Cup Game + Meet Charlie and Bill + Viktor Krum + Ludo Bagman + Mr. Crouch + Winky 3. Dark Mark 4. Start-of-Term Feast + Triwizard Tournament Announcement + Mad Eye Moody 5. DADA & The Unforgivables + Neville's reaction 6. Hermione & SPEW 7. Beauxbatons and Durmstrang arrive, The GoF picks Viktor Krum, Fleur Delacour, Cedric Diggory and Harry as School Champions. 8. Harry and Ron fight, Potter Stinks badges, Draco curses Hermione's teeth, Rita Skeeter is introduced (They could cut the "Weighing of the Wands" out). 9. The First Task + Hagrid "tells" Harry he's facing Dragons + Hermione helps Harry research, Shippy gossip is started up between the two. + Harry uses the Summoning Charm on the Horntail + Ron & Harry make up 10. Harry learns that Winky and Dobby are working at Hogwarts and that Ludo Bagman is a "bad wizard". 11. The Yule Ball + Harry asks Cho Chang, Ron asks Fleur but both are turned down. + Ron realizes Hermione is a girl, asks her to the ball "as a last resort", but Hermione is already going. Harry and Ron end up with the Patil twins. + When Viktor and Hermione show up together, Ron is furious and snaps jealously at Hermione all night and later the two "have a blazing row" in the common room. + Percy Weasley shows up in Mr. Crouch's place. + Harry and Ron learn that Karkaroff and Snape "are on a first name basis" and that Hagrid is half-giant. 12. Rita Skeeter's article reveals Hagrid is half-giant and he tries to quit Hogwarts. Harry, Ron, and Hermione yell at her in Hogsmeade about the article, and Rita threatens Hermione. 13. The Second Task + After taking Cedric's advice, Harry takes his golden egg to the Prefect's Bathroom and discovers that he'll have to take "what he'll miss most" back from the Merpeople at the bottom of the Lake. He also gets caught up in a run-in with Snape, Filch, and Mad-Eye Moody. + Harry struggles to find underwater defenses, but it's Dobby who comes to his last minute rescue with the aid of gillyweed. + Harry rescues Ron first, tries to rescue Hermione, Cho, and Fleur's litle sister, Gabrielle, but only manages Ron and Gabrielle. + Harry emerges from the second task tied with Cedric. 14. Sirius meets with the Trio. Rita Skeeter paints Hermione as a "scarlet woman" and Harry and Krum find a near-death Mr. Crouch. 15. Harry dreams of Voldemort in Divination, visits Dumbledore and stumbles into his Pensieve. Snape is revealed to be a former DE. Harry learns that Crouch threw his own son in Azkaban and that Neville's parents are in St. Mungo's. 16. The Third Task + Harry prepares with Ron and Hermione + Harry and Cedric take the cup together, find it's a portkey to a graveyard. + Cedric is killed and Harry's blood is used in Voldemort's restoration ritual. + Voldemort's Death Eaters return. Lucius Malfoy among them. + Harry and Voldemort duel, their wands connect and Voldemort's victims emerge from his wand encouraging him to hold on. Harry's parents tell him to use the portkey back. Cedric tells him to take his body back to his parents. Harry escapes using the Summoning Charm. 17. Mad Eye Moody is revealed to be Barty Crouch, Jr. Dumbledore questions him under the use of Vertiserum. He is later adminstered the "Dementor's Kiss". 18. Dumbledore and Cornelius Fudge "part ways". Dumbledore informs the student body that Voldemort is back. How does that sound? Susan :o) From mbouhon at noos.fr Thu Aug 14 23:56:36 2003 From: mbouhon at noos.fr (Mathilde Bouhon) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:56:36 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Le vendredi, 15 ao? 2003, ? 01:48 Europe/Paris, xandersgirl18 a ?crit : > > Prologue- Harry's Dream > 1. Dursleys > ?? + The Letter > ?? + Fred and George use the Ton-Tongue Toffee on Dudley. > [....] > 18. Dumbledore and Cornelius Fudge "part ways". Dumbledore informs > the student body that Voldemort is back. > > > > How does that sound? > > > Susan :o) Like a very nice 5 hours movie! ;-))) Mathilde [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From louisewsanz at yahoo.com.au Thu Aug 14 23:35:28 2003 From: louisewsanz at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Louise=20Sanz?=) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:35:28 +1000 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP on TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030814233528.66622.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> I think you might find that WB has bought the rights to any TV spin-off..animation etc... - -- lunalove_good wrote: --------------------------------- I was thinking that the harry potter series would be great to be made for TV. Maybe a miniseries or any kind of show with several episodes. I know this could never have the visual effects that the movies have, but I don't care so much about that as I do about the things that are cut from the books and the fact that in the movies you can hardly feel the length of the school year as you do when you read the books. If you make a chapter or two into one episode, and you show them once a week it would last the whole year. You could put every little detail of the book, even the funny parts that are almost completely omitted in the films (Fred and George!!!!!). Every year would be one season, and you'd have seven seasons assured. It could be a British production for all the world or maybe HBO, I don't know, I'm from argentina. I would really love to watch this show weekly. Rocio Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! 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From RSFJenny19 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 00:33:28 2003 From: RSFJenny19 at aol.com (RSFJenny19 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:33:28 EDT Subject: Gary Oldman on Bravo tonight Message-ID: <1a2.18d9d5f9.2c6d8458@aol.com> Anyone looking to see Gary Oldman at work in a movie, he's the bad cop in "The Professional", on Bravo at 9pm (EST?) tonight. From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 01:17:13 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:17:13 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kitty MacFarlane" wrote: > > > > > > Moody - Sean Connery > > No, lets have the truly mad Tom Baker. Who can forget his Captain > Redbeard Rum in Blackadder II? And who could forget Tom Baker as DR. WHO??????? Oh my God, Tom Baker as Mad-Eye Moody ... that would be PRICELESS! ** wipes tears of laughter from eyes** > > > > > > Narcissa - Miranda Richardson > > yes good > > > > > Frank Bryce - John Gielgud (He is still alive, isn't he?) > > Who cares about Frank Bryce? It's a bit part, but as I mentioned a few days ago, Sir John Gielgud died a few years ago. > > > > > > Figg - Vanessa Redgrave > > yes, good. > > > > > > Umbridge - Judi Dench > > good but much too old. I'd like to see Jennifer Saunders play Umbridge. > She is soooo good at that fake sugary tone of voice. Umbridge also needs to be SHORT. Really SHORT. Actually could we recruit Aunt Sponge from James and the Giant Peach ?? ;-) Anne U (who will have to report the entire Warner Brothers casting department to the Los Angeles Police Department, because it is *obvious they are smoking huge amounts of crack re: replacing the Trio**!!!! *sighs in disgust*) From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 01:24:07 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:24:07 -0000 Subject: One movie, but 3.5 hours In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lunalovegoodrules" wrote: > Like Werckmeister Harmonies, the Sacrifice and Nostalghia by > Tarvosky, or Ulysses Gaze. > > Maybe Bela Tarr could be approached for OoP.... LOL... he'd have been > my choice for GoF, at any rate. > > Francois Truffaut! and WB? Now, there's a match made in the Quibbler. > > dan Truffaut would have been wonderful. Unfortunately cher Francois died in 1984. *weeps piteously* He was a remarkable, gifted director. And he probably would NOT allow Steve "The Hatchet" Kloves to write the screenplay for GOF!! Anne U (feeling faint from all this scary GOF discussion) From rose590 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 01:32:58 2003 From: rose590 at yahoo.com (rose590) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:32:58 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <1cb.f32b961.2c6baa74@aol.com> Message-ID: Moody -- Patrick Stewart :) RoBro From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 02:25:09 2003 From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 02:25:09 -0000 Subject: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No disrespect intended but do we really need all that? What really happens in GoF? 1. World Cup 2. Triwizard Tournament 3. Volemort Returns Looks like a simple Act 1, 2, & 3 to me. To flesh it out somewhat: Act 1 World Cup a. Dursley's/Travel to Burrow/Game (7 minutes) b. Game/Krum (7 Minutes) c. Dark Mark/Winky/Crouch (11 Minutes) d. Travel to Hogwarts (3 minutes) Act 1 Total: 28 Minutes Act 2 Triwizard tournament a. Announcement/Sorting/Feast (3 minutes) b. Schools Arrive/Intro Maxine & Karakoff (3 Minutes) c. Age Line/Goblet Anouncements (5 Minutes) d. Harry Backlash/Ron's attitude/Moody's Class (7 minutes) e. Hagrid shows Dragons/Sirius pops in/Harry worrying (5 Minutes) f. 1st task (7 minutes) g. Egg/Hogsmeade Visit/Skeeter (7 Minutes) h. Yule Ball (12 minutes) i. Prefect Bath/Dobby & Gillyweed (5 Minutes) j. 2nd Task (7 Minutes) k. Pensieve/Crouch Sr (10 Minutes) l. 3rd Task (3 Minutes) Act 2 Total: 74 Minutes Act 3 Volemort Returns a. Portkey (1 Minute) b. Death of Cedric (1 Minute) c. Volemort's return (3 Minutes) d. Death Eater's return/Voldemort's speech (4 Minutes) e. Duel (4 Minutes) f. Portkey back (1 Minute) g. Dumbledore learns truth (1 Minute) h. Moody kidnaps Harry/Turns into Jr. (2 minutes) i. Dumbledore saves day/Jr talks (5 Minutes) j. Dumbledore's speech to school. (2 Minutes) Act 3 Total: 24 Minutes End Total time :126 Minutes CoS total time :161 Minutes Obviously this is condensed and VERY simplified, but it does prove that the book can be made in 1 film. We all know we can sit throuhg CoS. I am sure even if we added some time here and there we can get it to be slightly longer then CoS. I have cut some things that others have outlined. Spending time devloping certain characters is fruitless, espeically when visually, they can be established just as well. How many lines does Snape actually have compared to some others? Yet we have a good idea for his character. Personally, I feel this running time issue is WAY overblown as most Harry Potter fans will go and watch a 3 hour film. I am positive that GoF can be a 3 hour film as outlined above. From SusanXG at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 03:06:01 2003 From: SusanXG at hotmail.com (xandersgirl18) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:06:01 -0000 Subject: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>>> No disrespect intended but do we really need all that? What really happens in GoF? >>>> The only thing you left out that is really needed is Harry's Dream in the beginning. That could be the Prologue much like in Movie 1. And I agree with you, but I really think they should allow for a 3 hour movie. And yes, you can establish lots of things visually. I was actually hinting toward that. Susan :o) From sara1412au at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 12:59:05 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:59:05 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: <20030727164939.57012.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In order to take my mind off a particularily depressing day at work, I thought it was time to trawl through the last couple of months worth of posts and establish a summary (based on Matt Huber's template) of casting suggestions for OotP and GoF. We have certainly been a very industious bunch of people and I'll certainly get a kick out of seeing how many of the people listed below actually end up in the films. I am an unapologetic purist and so have NOT included actors who are dead or not British (exceptions being the French characters). Everyone on this list has been suggested for one of the characters by someone on this group - so don't get cranky with me if the choices are.. challenging. And finally, for those who are playing "Who on earth is that Brit?", try this link http://us.imdb.com and check out their films. Here goes ... ******************************************************************** Cedric - Henry Cavill, Orlando Bloom, Cho - Fleur - Keira Knightly, Rosamund Pike, Emmanuelle B?art Roger Davies - Maxine - Marianne James, Fanny Ardant, Karakoff - Ben Kingsley, Colin Farrell, Christopher Lee, Jeremy Irons Crouch - Michael Caine, Roger Moore, Hugh Laurie Crouch Jr - Ewan McGregor, Sean Bean, Jonathan Firth, Christian Bale, Joanthan Rhys-Myers, Stephen Rea, Paul Bettany Moody - Malcolm McDowell, Michael Gough, Derek Jacobi, Sean Connery, Billy Connely, Tom Baker, Ian Holm, Patrick Stewart, Rowan Atkinson, Ian McKellan, Anthony Hopkins, Martin Shaw, Jeremy Irons, Bob Hoskins, Eddie Izzard, Brian Cox, David Jason, Christopher Ellison Krum - Bagman - Stephen Fry, Martin Clunes, Neil Pearson, James Wilby, Mark Addy, Cary Elwes, Sean Bean, Nicholas Lyndhurst, Reece dinsdale Trelawney -Tracy Ullman, Emma Thompson, Helena Bonham-Carter, Jane Horrocks, Sophie Thompson, Emma Chambers, Maureen Lipman Narcissa - Miranda Richardson, Kirstin Scott-Thomas, Joely Richardson, Natasha Richardson, Joanna Lumley Roberts - Avery - Stephen Fry Bertha - Imelda Staunton Frank Bryce - Michael Hough, Clive Swift, John Rhys Davies Figg - Phyllida Law, Vanessa Redgrave, Juliet Stevenson Podmore - Mundungus - Ian Holm Kingsley - Djimon Houonsou, Colin Salmon, Adewale Akinnuoye-Abaje, Don Warrington, Hugh Quarshie, Lenny Henry, David Oyewolo Bill Weasley - Ewan McGregor, Orlando Bloom, Paul Bettany Charlie Weasley - Billy Boyd Umbridge - Judi Dench, Patricia Routledge, Jennifer Saunders, Kathy Burke, Celia Imrie, Patsy Rowlands, Barbara Leigh-Hunt, Prunella Scales, Patsy Byrne, Helen Mirren Bellatrix - Kirstin Scott-Thomas, Miranda Richardson, Catherine Zeta- Jones Astronomy Teacher (Professor Sinistra)- Owl Testers - Judi Dench (Amelia Bones) Tonks - Minnie Driver, Keira Knightly, Kate Winslet, Jane Horrocks, Emily Watson, Emilia Fox, Sharon Small Rita Skeeter - Jennifer Saunders, Helen Mirren, Joanna Lumley, Emma Thompson, Alison Steadman, Maureen Lipman, Jenny ?clair, Eddie Izzard Voldemort - Roger Rees, Christopher Lee, Malcolm McDowell, Ian MacKellan, Richard E. Grant Phineas Nigellus - Richard Wilson Luna Lovegood - Jane Horrocks Rookwood - Charles Dance ********************************************************************* I've added my new suggestions to the list : - Barty Jnr: Paul Bettany - Voldemort: Richard E. Grant Sara-ELL From sylviablundell2001 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 15 10:43:55 2003 From: sylviablundell2001 at yahoo.co.uk (sylviablundell2001) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:43:55 -0000 Subject: Casting Message-ID: Trelawney - Emma Chambers (Alice in The Vicar of Dibley) has the right "away with the fairies" look and is a superb actress. From aimking0110 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:23:40 2003 From: aimking0110 at yahoo.com (Garrett) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:23:40 -0000 Subject: Casting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sylviablundell2001" wrote: > Trelawney - Emma Chambers (Alice in The Vicar of Dibley) has the > right "away with the fairies" look and is a superb actress. Yup and her Co-Star, Dawn French, Will be playing the portriot of the Fat lady in PoA for sure. Garrrett (who is from texas, and the vicor of dibly is my FAVRITE show) From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 20:03:11 2003 From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sorting order/The second task In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030815200311.81625.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> :) good. I was hoping not to offend. I just think that if we look at the story logically then we have a 3 hour film. Everyone complains that the 1st 2 films were rewrites of the books, the next 3 books will give us the leeway that we want in expanding on the Potter Universe. xandersgirl18 wrote: >>>> No disrespect intended but do we really need all that? What really happens in GoF? >>>> The only thing you left out that is really needed is Harry's Dream in the beginning. That could be the Prologue much like in Movie 1. And I agree with you, but I really think they should allow for a 3 hour movie. And yes, you can establish lots of things visually. I was actually hinting toward that. Susan :o) Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 00:54:12 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sorting ceremony and uniforms. In-Reply-To: <12.347f1caa.2c69f6c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030816005412.17877.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com> Rebecca: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, > Petra Pan wrote: > > We got to the sorting ceremony and > > she asks- "Their ties, robe bagdes > > and scarves are the colour of their > > houses, as they have not yet been > > sorted how do they know what colour > > tie to buy and wear?" If you look > > at the students waiting to be sorted > > they are indeed already wearing > > there house colours. I was stumped. > > Explained it away as artistic > > licence. Any thoughts? Actually, I did not write the above - Angela did. Alright yall, Im just another listee but Id like to note that Rebecca is not the *first* or the *only* person on this or any other HPfGU lists to misattribute. Yahoo's quoting style is indeed confusing. Nevertheless...I really would like to strongly remind one and all when proofreading a post and before hitting that "send" button, that we check to make sure the quoted words are accurately attributed to the poster as identified by their signature. Hmm, this is probably as good a time as any to remind everyone to sign their posts. For those of us who receive and reply from our email accounts, let's not rely solely on the auto-attribution that most emailing programs add to the beginning of a reply: such attribution does not take into consideration the previously quoted materials *and* I've noticed at least one poster whose emailing program keeps attributing everything to "HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com" instead of a listee. I know this process is a bit of a pain and as mere mortals, we are prone to err...but constant and continued efforts in this would be MUCH appreciated! :) Okay, back to the subject at hand - Rebecca: > During that scene they're just wearing > black ties and cloaks with no badges > on them. (just went and checked because > I wasn't sure). They wear the house > specific clothes later. Just got my hand on a copy of HPSS to find that Rebecca is correct...so I'm rather confounded. Um, Angela? You seem to be seeing something we don't. Could this be a difference between the US's HPSS and the UK's HPPS? I was under the impression that any and all differences involve onscreen references to sorcerers vs. philosophers stone - am I mistaken? Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From manda at qx.net Sat Aug 16 13:58:03 2003 From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:58:03 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The second task/Deciding what to cut In-Reply-To: References: <3F3B791B.20588.1F14295@localhost> Message-ID: <3F3DD5FB.16184.D0A524@localhost> On 14 Aug 2003 at 19:56, Molly (mmouse322) wrote: > > --Wow, I'm surprised that you think GoF is the weakest book, I've > always thought it was the strongest. I never thought of it > as "unnecessarily long". Can I ask which parts you think weren't > needed? All right. In brief (and thinking just of what could/should be cut for the movie; what I'd cut from the book would be entirely different, not to mention off-topic here): -Everything up until they arrive at the campground. Harry's arrival at the Burrow and the portkey can be covered in a few minutes. The first chapter may or may not need cutting, depending on how they do it. Done wrong, it could quickly lose audience members who are new to the story. -The actual World Cup game. We've seen enough of Quidditch, and Harry's only a spectator here. Keep only what is necessary to set up Winky, Crouch and Krum. -The House-Elf Liberation Front. Might still be saved, or at least a ghost of it. -The Unexpected Task and the Yule Ball. Call me a curmudgeon if you must but I'd be happy if they gradually made these movies more grown-up and cut much of this cutesy teen romance stuff. Focus instead on the important stuff: the growing threat of Voldemort and the Death Eaters (and the occasional funny classroom antics). The only useful thing that happens at the ball is what Harry and Ron overhear outside (Snape/Karkaroff, Hagrid/Maxime). Move it to another time. And the Second Task... > As for cutting out the second task: What?! I agree > that it will be extremely hard to make it look believable (yet > another reason why I think WB is mad for trying to make this a > movie). There are several reasons to keep the 2nd Task, the first > being that, without it, what's the point of the TWT? What kind of > compition has only two tasks? One that has to take place within 2 and 1/2 hours. :-) An article at Newsround this week said that they're aiming to match the 150 minute runtime of the previous movies. To make it fit, some major things have to be cut. You can't be sentimental. You have to think of what episodes best tell the story. What purpose really does the second task have? Many of those (Crouch's helping, etc) are echoed in the other tasks and don't need to be repeated. > That seems a bit silly to just fight a > dragon and then go through the maze. "Just fight a dragon"?! That's quite a big task on its own! And the maze is no slouch either. Plus, mazes can be pretty creepy things on film (think "The Shining"). I think those two will be enough to satisfy film viewers. > Harry's "moral fiber" or weakness at being a hero (whichever way you > want to look at it) which is a huge, huge point in OotP (if they > choose to make that). Plus (and this is the reason I love the 2nd > Task), it shows that even though Harry and Ron had that huge fight, > Ron is still the most important person to Harry, the person he'd miss > the most. But those things can be shown in other ways. The boys are becoming better and better actors. A lot can be said in just a glance. We don't need a huge action piece just to see how much Harry cares about Ron. If anything, the only problem I see with cutting the second task is what then would happen to The Egg And The Eye. The prefects' bathroom scene I wouldn't mind missing (although it would be nice to see Myrtle again), but the scene on the stairs is one of my favorites from GoF. Manda -- http://www.mandamia.com From lunalovegood at shaw.ca Sat Aug 16 21:04:05 2003 From: lunalovegood at shaw.ca (lunalovegoodrules) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:04:05 -0000 Subject: The second task is central to the whole series In-Reply-To: <3F3DD5FB.16184.D0A524@localhost> Message-ID: > If anything, the only problem I see with cutting the second task is what then would happen to The Egg And The Eye. The prefects' bathroom scene I wouldn't mind missing > (although it would be nice to see Myrtle again), but the scene on the stairs is one of my favorites from GoF. > > Manda But the second task is about the meaning of Rowling, the meaning of the Harry Potter series itself, and is at the centre of the what makes the books even readable for me - what I have now called many times the ethical imperative. In terms of the theme, where HP is getting all this help and advice from various sources, his decision in the lake is ALL HIS OWN! How can we cut that? He works a compromise with Diggory at the goblet, but nowhere else in the books is the ethical imperative, the doing, outside of any thinking or philosophical support, the working of HP's spirit, before any advice, as it were, demonstrated more clearly, and in such a way that it ~cannot~ be ignored or explained away. Cutting the second task is eviscerating, I suggest, the entire book. I agree that the scene on the stairs is wonderfully filmable. dan From katydid3500 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 21:17:28 2003 From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The second task is central to the whole series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030816211728.62839.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> --- lunalovegoodrules wrote: > > > If anything, the only problem I see with cutting > the second task is > what then would happen to The Egg And The Eye. The > prefects' bathroom > scene I wouldn't mind missing > > (although it would be nice to see Myrtle again), > but the scene on > the stairs is one of my favorites from GoF. > > > > Manda Now I haven't been following this thread until now, so maybe I missed something, but what makes everyone think they would cut out one of the tasks? That would be a little absurd. They have to leave the main plot and the trio's dealings intact. What I think will go will be things like Hagrid and Madame Maxime's relationship. They'll likely cut things from the QWC, such as when the kids spend 3-4 pages finding water, and Fred and George bothering Bagman about the bet. They could also do the whole Frank Bryce thing much quicker than in the book. Those are all trivial to the main plot OR will take a much shorter time span on screen because all of the space JKR uses to describe new settings will be apparent because of the set. I'm not thrilled that GoF is planned as being so short, but I think it's going to end up longer than planned. Steve Kloves will ask if he can cut alot of things and the answer will be no because there are alot of things in GoF that are necessary to making the plot work. They can't cut out developing Cedric, they can't cut out Harry's crush on Cho, they can't cut out Sirius and they can't cut the Yule ball and Ron and Hermione bickering because the story would suffer. Yes, as usual, we'll definitely lose some of the sly humor that makes us love the books, but that's okay because we still have the books and as long as the movie is a good movie in itself....everything will be fine. ~Kathryn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 11:14:30 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:14:30 -0000 Subject: Sorting Ceremony and Uniforms Message-ID: If you take a really close look at the movie, you will see that the First years wear ties that are black with the Hogwarts crest on them. It is the same tie that Madam Hooch wears. They get their house colors in the next scene. Watch as the camera pans to Harry in the window. Look at the chairs. Their scarves, ties and other items are placed on the chairs by their beds. As to how they get their house patches on their uniforms and cloaks, while not shown in the movie, I like to think that the crests are sewn on by some very industrious house elves during their first night. D From sara1412au at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 12:25:18 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:25:18 -0000 Subject: (Some sort) of comfirmation re: Lupin's appearance Message-ID: (Taking a deep, deep breath)... LUPIN HAS A MOUSTACHE!!! (aaargh!) See this: http://www.zanzaro.com/azkaban/aug14.htm set report (seems fairly genuine/not reason to dispute) and read the last line. Sara_ELL (repeating the mantra,'I will reserve judgement until I see the film. Thewlis is a great actor. The newsweek picture was blurry.' ) From bigheadhb at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 14:00:13 2003 From: bigheadhb at yahoo.com (bigheadhb) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:00:13 -0000 Subject: Casting Summary--Fill in the Blanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "junediamanti" wrote: > > > > > > > Rita Skeeter - Helen Mirren > > > > Please! Lets have Joanna Lumley. So much more fun. > > Try Alison Steadman - I once saw her in a comedy as an utterly > unscrupulous tabloid journalist - perfect. > > ME: I always thought in my mind's eye of Rita Skeeter as a Black woman. I pictured former MTV Veejay Downtown Julie Brown! Loud, abrasive, long nails, could pull off the whole look! Diane From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk Sun Aug 17 21:17:19 2003 From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:17:19 -0000 Subject: HP on TV In-Reply-To: <20030814233528.66622.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rocito (sorry if that's a misspelling - I deleted your name by accident) wrote: > I was thinking that the harry potter series would be great to be made for TV. Maybe a miniseries or any kind of show with several episodes. If you make a chapter or two into one episode, and you show them once a week it would last the whole year. You could put every little detail of the book, even the funny parts that are almost completely omitted in the films (Fred and George!!!!!). Every year would be one season, and you'd have seven seasons assured. It could be a British production for all the world or maybe HBO> It's an interesting idea. My mind jumped immediately to the television series of my other favourite book series, Tales of the City, which was produced by Channel 4 in Britain, and from there to other high-profile tv series adapted from books. The thing is that the self-contained nature of the books don't necessarily lend themselves very well to television-style viewing, where the Tales of the City books, which were originally written as a daily serial in a newspaper, do. Tales works well because it has a soap opera format which means that the audience attention is spread between plot strands. The mid-90's BBC version of Pride and Prejudice worked similarly - attention was centered on Lizzie Bennet, but could leave her and go off somewhere else. The big-budget adaptation of the Chronicles of Narnia which the BBC ran when I was a child worked well because narrative agency was spread between the different children who were in Narnia at whatever point (I think they got up to The Silver Chair). I'm not trying to say that multiple point of view is the key to all good long-running literary adaptations (it just looks like that) but I'm not entirely sure that Harry's singular world-view could take that sort of stretching. Also, to come back to the point I was orignally trying to make (I'm a bit poorly and not holding threads very well at the moment. Sorry), I think the books suit cinema and the contained nature of a film rather than being stretched over weeks. Yes, I'm longing for a six-part adaptation of GoF as much as everyone else on list, but would each series (by which I mean what you call "season" in America) stand up to a viewing public prepared to miss one or more episodes? Each of the books is plotted so tightly that tiny clues towards eventual outcomes are offered in the most unexpected places. I know there are a few Buffy fans on list, and as my cousin is a huge Buffy fan, I know that it's the sort of thing you have to be devoted to to follow properly. Myself, I'm not a big telly watcher, and I lack the discipline of a fixed schedule, and therefore tend to miss odd bits of serieses. Would HP manage to win over a viewing audience in this way? Oh sorry. What rubbish I'm typing today. Kirstini, off to have a hot toddy, and maybe bury her head. From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 18 04:09:35 2003 From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:09:35 -0000 Subject: Lupin Doubts...(was re: (Some sort) of comfirmation...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sara gave us some information in her previous post about Lupin which I shan't repeat because my constitution is strong, but not that strong...ick! Not to offend any of you guys out there with facial hair, because it *can* look quite good...sometimes. (Just not on me, and, I can decidedly say- not on any incarnation of the Lupin that lives in my imagination!) Then she slipped in: "...repeating the mantra,'I will reserve judgement until I see the film. Thewlis is a great actor. The newsweek picture was blurry.'" All bad karma aside I'm really not feeling this mantra even if I "wantra"(...bad bad pun) sorry!. I mean I'm not that familiar with Thewlis's work, but I do try to have faith in him. He's just not...well judging from that picture (that I tried *SO* hard not to judge)...well...well? Lupin is without a doubt one of the things that really makes Prisoner of Azkaban the book it is; he's my favourite adult character in the series without a doubt to boot. Am I being in childish and silly when I say this little detail makes me nervous? I hope not because...it does. From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 10:15:22 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:15:22 -0000 Subject: Lupin Doubts...(was re: (Some sort) of comfirmation...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scott" wrote: > Sara gave us some information in her previous post about Lupin which > I shan't repeat because my constitution is strong, but not that > strong...ick! Not to offend any of you guys out there with facial > hair, because it *can* look quite good...sometimes. (Just not on me, > and, I can decidedly say- not on any incarnation of the Lupin that > lives in my imagination!) > > Then she slipped in: > "...repeating the mantra,'I will reserve judgement until I see > the film. Thewlis is a great actor. The newsweek picture was > blurry.'" > > All bad karma aside I'm really not feeling this mantra even if > I "wantra"(...bad bad pun) sorry!. I mean I'm not that familiar with > Thewlis's work, but I do try to have faith in him. He's just > not...well judging from that picture (that I tried *SO* hard not to > judge)...well...well? > > Lupin is without a doubt one of the things that really makes > Prisoner of Azkaban the book it is; he's my favourite adult > character in the series without a doubt to boot. Am I being in > childish and silly when I say this little detail makes me nervous? I > hope not because...it does. Check out the series Dinotopia. He doesn't have facial hair there, but the character is worth a look. You will see how good an actor he is. Just a side note, his character is named Crabbe. Ironic, no? D From sara1412au at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 11:21:36 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:21:36 -0000 Subject: (Some sort) of comfirmation re: Lupin's appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My last word on this topic (promise) - This, I expected when I heard that David Thewlis had been cast: http://awards.fennec.org/images/71-david_thewlis.jpg This : http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/thewlis2.jpg I dread (bearing in mind that in the photos, David has NOT, (thank goodness) shaved half of his hair off. But THIS: (not actually David Thewlis in a movie role, I know but..look at the ginger moustache, the parted hair... the tweed suit!) http://www.fremantlemediastills.com/images/thumb/14.jpg I regret, could very well stop me from seeing the films until after book 7 comes out (and my own version of Lupin is safely esconsced in my imagination). Sara_ELL (wondering whether the mo' can be CGI-out out of the film in a special, special Sara-ELL cut of the film) From bob-angelaevans at lineone.net Mon Aug 18 11:27:56 2003 From: bob-angelaevans at lineone.net (evans_ratcliffe) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:27:56 -0000 Subject: (Some sort) of comfirmation re: Lupin's appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" wrote: > My last word on this topic (promise) - > > This, I expected when I heard that David Thewlis had been cast: > http://awards.fennec.org/images/71-david_thewlis.jpg > > This : > http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/thewlis2.jpg > I dread (bearing in mind that in the photos, David has NOT, (thank > goodness) shaved half of his hair off. > > > But THIS: (not actually David Thewlis in a movie role, I know > but..look at the ginger moustache, the parted hair... the tweed > suit!) > http://www.fremantlemediastills.com/images/thumb/14.jpg > I regret, could very well stop me from seeing the films until after > book 7 comes out (and my own version of Lupin is safely esconsced in > my imagination). > > Sara_ELL (wondering whether the mo' can be CGI-out out of the film > in a special, special Sara-ELL cut of the film) The recently published photos on various websites (Snitch, TLC etc) included a photo in the shreiking shack. In this photo Lupin does not appear to have any facial hair, however it is not very clear and is more difficult to tell when zooming. However his upper lip has a shine on it. Could be clever makeup. (Sorry I don't seem to be able to post a link) Angela From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Aug 18 13:53:25 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:53:25 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Lupin doubts Message-ID: <1cf.f6f00d9.2c723455@aol.com> So Lupin has a moustache. Hmmm. The director is probably making some kind of "statement" about Lupin's werewolf status with that facial hair -- wolves, after all, do have whiskers, as do dogs (Sirius Black has a full beard in some pics I've seen -- does he ever get cleanshaven in the pics that are out so far??) Curious. Maybe Lupin can't HELP having a moustache because he's a werewolf? But where in werewolf lore is such a "rule" mentioned? Rambling here, thinking "out loud" (via the keyboard). . . Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 19:10:06 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:10:06 -0000 Subject: OT: Fan Art Music Videos - Rough Boys Message-ID: Slightly off topic, but to any one who is interested in video and cideo production, here is a link to some one called 'Star Kitty' who has made some amazing HP themed music videos. My favorite is the slightly slashy 'Rough Boys', based on Peter Townshend of the WHO recording by the same name. Excellent editing. http://straykitty.com/deargirl/potter/videos/RoughBoys.mov Eight more music videos and fake trailers- http://straykitty.com/deargirl/potter/videos/ Also IFilm.com has a couple of HP Fan Art Videos HP Preview- http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2411562&cch= at the top left select the appropriate bandwidth to play video. More HP Music Videos from Japan- http://www.rightthisway.net/proclivities/silvia/vidindex.html Just thought you might like a fun diversion. bboy_mn From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Mon Aug 18 22:09:53 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:09:53 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > > The two existing movies by any standard were gutted to the limit. The > movies, but more so CoS, jump from scene to scene with no explaination > as to why things are happening, no plot development, no underlying > character motivation. I have trouble believing that anyone who had > never read the book could even make a coherent story out of what they > were shown in CoS. Many of the scene that were filmed that developed > the story line and explained people's action were found in the DVD > extras. The movie would have been substantially improved if those > scenes had been left in, and their total running time is not that much. > > What they realy need is a director and producer who have some > independant artistic vision. Director and producer who will fight for > that artistic vision and not let it be compromised. So far, none of > the director I've heard suggested are anything more that product > packaging technicians; stooges of corporate desire. > > bboy_mn First, don't call Cuar?n a "product packaging technician" He is not. You can't have seen any of his other films if you say that. He is a true artist, a wonderful director with a fantastic visual creativity. I'm sure he definitely has an independent artistic vision and I was very disappointed when I heard he is not coming back for GoF. (At the Snitch they posted about a rumour on the set that he wants to come back for the 5th, I sure hope that's true!!!) Nothing we have seen or heard so far gives us any reason to believe he will compromise anything in PoA. Let's face it, we have only seen some very few still photos from the set. They won't in anyway do justice to the finished film of moving pictures.... Second - and please don't kill me for saying this - I don't really think LENGTH is the issue here. I completely agree with you on what you say about CoS and plot and character development, and how keeping some of the deleted scenes would have done that so much better. But it really isn't just a question about what Colombus chose to cut, it is as much a question of what he chose to keep in!! Think about for instance that ridicilous slapstick scene that he just couldn't resist to put in and that wasn't even in the book - I'm thinking of that stupid driving-in-front-of-the-train (WHY would they need to fly so low anyway!!) and falling-out-of-the-car scene. And the scenes that developed Harry's doubt about his identity were cut out for THIS??? The problem with the first two films, and CoS more than PS, is that they lack one coherent vision, one or a few underlying main themes or ideas. THAT's what you need before you can start cutting. If that's not there, the films get to be just this string of episodes with seemingly abrupt cuts between them, there is no central idea developed. All the Harry Potter books have many themes in them, and the length of the books doesn't necessarily correspond to the number of themes. It's the themes you need to consider, which of them to keep and which to cut. It's a good promise about the quality of PoA that the Wood and house cup theme was cut, it's a minor one and although fun, not essential to the main themes of PoA. What then are the main themes of GoF? Of course, the return of the Death Eaters and Voldemort as one of the most important ones. To make that interesting you need to develop what the Death Eaters really are about - ethnic cleansing, the racist i.e. the mudblood theme. That was first presented in CoS and Columbuses' bad choices will come back to hunt the director of GoF - both Kloves and Rowling complain about this in the DVD interview. Even though they are polite, they both state that the mudblood theme was played down more than they wanted in the finished film (which goes to say that you shouldn't blame Kloves for everything - the deleted scenes -and we haven't seen all that was cut or never shot from the script - show that the original script is not what we see on the screen - the director has the final say!!) House elves will come into this also, but it's not clear whether SPEW needs to be in. Rowling says in interviews that this has to do with showing how insensitive and immature teenagers can be about political matters - that' not necessarily an important theme. Another main theme underlying GoF - and indeed the whole series - is "how far can you go to defend yourself against evil?" This was an important theme in PoA as well, and it comes back here, with the unforgivable curses and the whole story about Crouch and his son. If it is done well, it is possible to see the Triwizard tournament in this light as well - as some sort of tangent to the two other themes. The competition for glory - isn't that, too, what the Deatheaters' thirst for power is about, in corrupted form? The rivalry between the schools and the more intense and personal rivalry between Cedric and Harry accentuates this, with it's version of "how far can you go to win". Can you cheat? Let somebody drown if only you can get to the shore as the first one? Let the monster kill your rival so you can win the glory? And here lies some of the dark and bitter theme of the Harry Potter series, played out even stronger in OotP. You don't necessarily get rewarded for doing the right thing, so that can't be your motive for doing it. Harry's noble offer to share the cup with his chief rival Cedric only brings about Cedric's death. They are transported to Voldemort, they never get to celebrate any victory. Which again points to the cruel parallell between the tournament and Voldemorts battle to win first place among wizards. If these are chosen as the main themes, and the cutting and keeping of scenes are done according to what will accentuate and develop these, and what will only divert from them - then GoF can be made into a very intense and cruelly beautiful film of about 3 hours. Even if it doesn't have all our favorite scenes and even if some more minor but still important themes are lost. I will not begin to suggest which scenes are essential to achieve this, and which can be lost, because I'm not a visual artist, I'm not an expert in telling stories visually. But if GoF is made into one film with the editing done haphazardly without any central ideas, then yes, murder and riot. If the director of "Four weddings and a funeral" is the man to do it is another story - that film seems far away from the darkness that rises in GoF. But who knows, and I haven't seen any of his other films, so I'll keep an open mind. I just say it again, wish Cuar?n had stayed on. I think he could have done it. Torill From granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk Tue Aug 19 02:17:27 2003 From: granaiogirl at yahoo.co.uk (granaiogirl) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:17:27 -0000 Subject: (Some sort) of comfirmation re: Lupin's appearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" wrote: > My last word on this topic (promise) - > > > But THIS: (not actually David Thewlis in a movie role, I know > but..look at the ginger moustache, the parted hair... the tweed > suit!) > http://www.fremantlemediastills.com/images/thumb/14.jpg > I regret, could very well stop me from seeing the films until after > book 7 comes out (and my own version of Lupin is safely esconsced in > my imagination). > > Sara_ELL Thats not David Thewlis, its Brian Murphy. Or were you just commenting on facial hair in general? From Ali at zymurgy.org Tue Aug 19 14:57:09 2003 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:57:09 -0000 Subject: The PoA Virginia Waters Set: what I saw Message-ID: Some of you might be interested in my trip to Virginia Waters yesterday. I thought I'd give you some background about Virgina Waters itself. It's a desiduous forest area surrounding ponds ? or lakes; I'm not quite sure when a pond becomes a lake! The forest is full of trees like sweet chestnuts, silver birches, beeches and a few Oaks. Virgina Waters is part of Windsor Great Park, Crown lands surrounding Windsor Castle. It is very close to Runnymeade, made famous by virtue of the fact that Magna Carta was signed there in 1215. It is either part of Berkshire or Surrey, but either way, is very much set in suburbia. I often used to go there for afternoons before my oldest daughter started school, it is a lovely place for a relaxing walk. It is extremely dry there at the moment and I noticed a couple of fire engines, obviously on hand in the event of a fire. Half of the car park for Virginia Waters was filled with WB trucks and trailers. Perhaps 30, maybe more. There were several more lorries around the forest though. Large areas had been cordoned off, by fencing which was then covered with green mesh, making it hard for onlookers to look through! WB had set up 3 filming sites, the Paddock, Lupin's something and the Beach. Unfortunately, my 3 year old was refusing to walk so we didn't make it past the paddock ? although I think that was where all the action was. I'd have to be honest, I didn't *see* that much. I could see that action was taking place, but it was quite a way away and there were many people who inconveniently got in the way. No autographs were given and no stars came to the fence, as they had done on previous days filming ? maybe they did later. In fact, in terms of lead actors, most of them weren't there. Rupert Grint was there, and I think Devon Murray and the boy who plays Crabbe. But most of the rest were doubles. It was very strange seeming them from a distance and from behind, there was no question as to whom they were doubling! There were signs up saying no commercial photography, but in practice whenever anyone was spotted with a camera, they were asked to stop taking photos. Somebody next to me managed to sneak in a couple of shots though. The extras looked like they were having a fantastic time, several of them were telling on-lookers about the filming, and they seemed to be having the times of their life. It was a warm humid day yesterday, and the extras were seated on plastic chairs out in the open, whereas the part actors got to sit separately under gazebos. They looked quite bored to be honest. Most of the kids took off their robes as soon as their shoots were done, and just looked like ordinary scruffy kids in uniform. I liked the robes. The hoods for each house are coloured, so it is easier to see from a distance who is in each house. It might not be canon, but it is visually effective. A snippet I did pick up via the extras was that Daniel Radcliffe is no longer allowed to walk to the set, but has to be taken around by car. He is also apparently no longer allowed to give autographs ? I heard that from someone else though. Obviously, I've no idea if that's true, but if it is, I wonder why. I think it might actually be rather lonely in his position, cosseted almost to the point of separation from everyone around him. Perhaps it is better to be an extra on a Harry Potter film than in it, or maybe it's just extra security measures they've been forced to impose when on location. Perhaps what struck me most about the set, was the sheer size of production; there seemed to be hundreds of people involved. There were lots of security personnel including a couple of unfriendly bouncers ? although most were really nice. Another thing that amused me was the number of film crew who seemed to have mobile phones stuck to their ears. It didn't look like they had much to do most of the time, so either they were just chatting, or they were discussing the production, I've no idea. There were lots of people there to try and catch a glimpse of the filming, mostly Mums like me with their kids, but a few adults by themselves as well. They were obviously filming the Hippogriff scene. I saw "Hagrid" although whether it was Robbie Coltrane or his large double, I have no idea. They were using a horse, and I only got to see the famous Hippogriff contraption that they've made, covered up and from a distance. I suppose they will super-impose the Hippogriff's head unto the horse in post production. It was definitely a worthwhile trip, even if it was the ambience, rather than anything substantive that I took away with me. Ali From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Tue Aug 19 20:35:53 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:35:53 -0000 Subject: The PoA Virginia Waters Set: what I saw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Ali" wrote: > Some of you might be interested in my trip to Virginia Waters > yesterday. > Yes I was very interested, thank you for posting, I love reports from the filming - now that the countdown for book 5 is over, and the release of the film itself is so far away, I'm just dying for news!! Hope they will release some publicity pics soon, that might give an impression as to how Cuar?n view the various characters.. > A snippet I did pick up via the extras was that Daniel Radcliffe is > no longer allowed to walk to the set, but has to be taken around by > car. He is also apparently no longer allowed to give autographs ? I > heard that from someone else though. Obviously, I've no idea if > that's true, but if it is, I wonder why. I think it might actually > be rather lonely in his position, cosseted almost to the point of > separation from everyone around him. Perhaps it is better to be an > extra on a Harry Potter film than in it, or maybe it's just extra > security measures they've been forced to impose when on location Maybe the interest is so huge from the fans that it would be just too much for him, and maybe he would be late for all the scenes!! - never getting away from the fans, everybody wanting his autgograph....But not necessarily lonely, with the company of the rest of the cast and crew - as you say, it's a huge production. Torill From katydid3500 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 21:11:07 2003 From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New pictures on DigiCasey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030819211107.45221.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> I just saw the new set pictures on DigiCasey. There are a few that include a circular rock wall with some stuff (fuzzy pictures, not totally sure what it is) in the middle. Am I missing something? Does anyone know what scene that's supposed to be from? The only think I can even think of is the paddock Buckbeak is kept in but it's no where near the hut and unless Buckbeak is 6 inches high that wall won't keep him in. Help? ~Kathryn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From Ali at zymurgy.org Tue Aug 19 21:37:13 2003 From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:37:13 -0000 Subject: New pictures on DigiCasey In-Reply-To: <20030819211107.45221.qmail@web40502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber wrote: > I just saw the new set pictures on DigiCasey. There > are a few that include a circular rock wall with some > stuff (fuzzy pictures, not totally sure what it is) in > the middle. Am I missing something? Does anyone know > what scene that's supposed to be from? The only think > I can even think of is the paddock Buckbeak is kept in > but it's no where near the hut and unless Buckbeak is > 6 inches high that wall won't keep him in. > Help? Annoyingly, this was one of the bits of set that I didn't get to see, but I think it's part of the Lupin set. Don't ask me how that fits in anywhere though. The Paddock didn't appear to be like that and was in a more densely wooded area. Ali From katydid3500 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 21:46:56 2003 From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New pictures on DigiCasey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030819214656.55828.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ali wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber > wrote: > > I just saw the new set pictures on DigiCasey. > There > > are a few that include a circular rock wall with > some > > stuff (fuzzy pictures, not totally sure what it > is) in > > the middle. Am I missing something? Does anyone > know > > what scene that's supposed to be from? > > Ali: Annoyingly, this was one of the bits of set that I > didn't get to > see, but I think it's part of the Lupin set. Don't > ask me how that > fits in anywhere though. The Paddock didn't appear > to be like that > and was in a more densely wooded area. Kathryn again: There's someone on another list I'm on that has been to the set and is going again on Friday (lucky little 8 y/o). I'll ask him if he knows or if he could find out and post on here any information I get. ~Kathryn __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Wed Aug 20 00:34:45 2003 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:34:45 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT Message-ID: Thanks for the rant, Steve, and I have to agree with it; but I also have to say that our view, as adults, will be of very little interest to the studio. They think it's a kids' thing, and, let's face it, the kids are a little less discerning. I take the whole 'replace the trio' thing with a pinch of salt. David Heyman and Chris Columbus who, as far as I am aware, are remaining as exec producers, have gone on record (on the PS/SS DVD) as saying that they would like to keep the trio. So I think that the major consideration will be whether the kids want to do it. It would take real creativity to do GoF as one movie. It's not impossible...and there are occasional nicely creative touches in PS/SS and CoS. One that always strikes me is Uncle Vernon. The books tell us that he works for a company making drills. The movies don't; but in both movies, he is seen with a drill in his hand. That's the kind of subtlety that we need to see more of. I don't think that SPEW and Rita Skeeter will be included in any major way. Some disgusted remarks about the treatment of Elves from Hermione, and some annoyance as a result of Daily Prophet headlines would cover the necessary grounnd. And if I were the trio's agent, I would be pushing, not for a higher salary, but for a share of the profits. This was actually an issue last year when CoS was being made. There was the threat of an actors' strike in Britain because they didn't automatically get a share of the profits; but CoS was specified as not being threatened by the strike because shares for the actors had already been negotiated. Anyone heard any more about this? Cheers, Nicholas From Oboek8 at aol.com Wed Aug 20 03:21:55 2003 From: Oboek8 at aol.com (Oboek8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:21:55 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT Message-ID: <17f.1f6e3eba.2c744353@aol.com> I was reading a magazine while waiting today in the line at the grocery store (not sure which magazine), and it reported that Daniel recieved 3.2 million dollars for a movie, while Rupert and Emma only received 125,000. I think that's right - I think it's unfair that there is such a salary difference. -Kate [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Aug 20 13:57:13 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:57:13 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA Virginia Waters set/what I saw Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2003 6:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > A snippet I did pick up via the extras was that Daniel Radcliffe is > >no longer allowed to walk to the set, but has to be taken around by > >car. He is also apparently no longer allowed to give autographs ? I > >heard that from someone else though. Obviously, I've no idea if > >that's true, but if it is, I wonder why. I think it might actually > >be rather lonely in his position, cosseted almost to the point of > >separation from everyone around him. Perhaps it is better to be an > >extra on a Harry Potter film than in it, or maybe it's just extra > >security measures they've been forced to impose when on location > I imagine all the attention Daniel might get would tire and distract him, and he's the one carrying the entire burden of the film. I'm not surprised the director would be protective of him. If you look at his screen time versus Rupert's and Emma's and ANYone else's, he's got tons more dialog and direction to remember, if nothing else. Acting requires a lot of energy, and I remember my brother and my children at Daniel's age -- they were exhausted from growth spurts, and their legs ached from it as well. Maybe he's going through some of that. And if he is, that's just another burden for him, since Harry's supposed to be at least smaller than Ron for all of the books so far. Just some musings. . .I did enjoy the set report, thanks for sharing! Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Aug 20 13:59:39 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:59:39 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New pictures on DigiCasey Message-ID: <34.3e0e7433.2c74d8cb@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/2003 6:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > I think it's part of the Lupin set It's been a while since I read PoA, but WHAT "Lupin set"? I remember his office, that would be a Lupin set, and the Shrieking Shack, but what other scene would be designated a "Lupin set"?? Unless it's when he turned into a wolf and Sirius had to chase him away -- that was between the Whomping Willow and the school, though, as I recall. And what are these "Beach" scenes? WHy's Hagrid in the water when he tells them about Buckbeak? I'm thoroughly confused. . . Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Aug 20 14:03:52 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:03:52 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] one movie and new kids? RANT Message-ID: <1ad.187b3f10.2c74d9c8@aol.com> In a message dated 8/20/2003 6:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > And if I were the trio's agent, I would be pushing, not for a higher > salary, but for a share of the profits. This was actually an issue last > year when CoS was being made. There was the threat of an actors' strike in > Britain because they didn't automatically get a share of the profits; but > CoS was specified as not being threatened by the strike because shares for > the actors had already been negotiated. Anyone heard any more about this? > > Cheers, > Nicholas > > I heard the strike was to get WB to raise Daniel's salary -- which they did, but it was nowhere near what it should've been to compensate him for the income WB is making off the franchise. I don't know if the kids are getting anything from the licensing, but it would be truly obscene if they were not -- action figures of them, posters, whatever else (I saw a "Harry in Quidditch Robes" kite at a store recently), those kids should be being paid for the use of their images. If they were in the US, there are laws here that would take care of it. That's one advantage to the studio of filming overseas (not in the US), from what I've read various places. Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Aug 20 14:11:02 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:11:02 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] One movie and new kids? RANT Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2003 6:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > it reported that Daniel recieved 3.2 million > dollars for a movie, while Rupert and Emma only received 125,000. I think > that's right - I think it's unfair that there is such a salary difference. > Again, look at the amount of screen time Daniel has versus Rupert and Emma. And the number of interviews he has to do (more than they do) -- and he's more effective in interviews than they are, especially dear Rupert whose usual responses of "Cool" "Brilliant" and "Wicked" are kind of conversation stoppers, LOL! Daniel's initial salary was in the low six figures, like $180,000 for the first one, and it was supposed to be something like $300,000 for the second as I recall from reading articles quite a while ago. THat's why the union fussed about it -- the studio was making a gazillion bucks and the kid most responsible for it (he could've been a BAD actor, but he's not, and he's a great interview from the ones I've seen) deserves to be paid accordingly. When "okay" actors get $15-20 million a picture because they're the "face of the moment" for pictures that may flop in the box office ("Gigli" comes to mind), why not pay Daniel a decent salary when he's giving solid performances in movies with a built-in fan base, guaranteed to be successful whether the critics like the movies or not? The fans will be there, the money will roll in, and the kid deserves a good salary -- he may never work in front of the cameras again once this series is over. Many child stars don't make the transition to adult actors well -- they aren't cute anymore, or whatever, or they're too connected to a particular part, which is true in the case of the trio. Daniel can look very different when his hair is different, without the glasses, etc., so it's possible he could have an acting career after the series is over, but maybe not. The studio should pay him *what he's worth* now, while he's making so much money for them. I suspect Rupert and Emma will be much better paid the next time around -- that's probably why Emma took a while to sign on for GoF. Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Aug 20 21:30:26 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:30:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT References: <17f.1f6e3eba.2c744353@aol.com> Message-ID: <01fb01c36762$46e89750$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> Kate wrote: > I was reading a magazine while waiting today in the line at the grocery store > (not sure which magazine), and it reported that Daniel recieved 3.2 million > dollars for a movie, while Rupert and Emma only received 125,000. I think > that's right - I think it's unfair that there is such a salary difference. I really don't think that article's entirely acurate. I read part of the (I think same) article someplace online (can't remember where, which is so annoying, I'll go iron my ears in a bit) and it said that Daniel had gotten paid $300,000 something for the first two movies combined. Which isn't true. It was roughly $110,000 for SS/PS, and a LOT more than that for CoS, after some commotion with WB. The other kids salaries have never before been released, so I don't know if the amount in the article is acurate or not. Still, Daniel does a LOT more of the work in these movies, and it really depends on him if it is successful. Richelle From rvotaw at i-55.com Wed Aug 20 22:29:20 2003 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:29:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT References: <17f.1f6e3eba.2c744353@aol.com> <01fb01c36762$46e89750$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> Message-ID: <028201c3676a$809e5400$d5a2cdd1@RVotaw> I (Richelle) wrote: > I really don't think that article's entirely acurate. I read part of the (I > think same) article someplace online (can't remember where, which is so > annoying, I'll go iron my ears in a bit) and it said that Daniel had gotten Can't believe I'm replying to my own post, but I found it. Don't have to iron anything after all. (Why would I iron my ears anyway, isn't it supposed to be hands???) Anyhow, here it is, People magazine: Daniel Radcliffe is said to have received $3.2 million for 'Azkaban', up from the $320,000 combined for the first two films. Emma Watson and Rupert Grint reportedly were paid $125,000 per movie. All three are currently negotiating to appear in the fourth movie. That $320,000 combined thing is definitely wrong. Definitely. Don't know about the rest. Richelle From natmichaels at hotmail.com Thu Aug 21 03:37:52 2003 From: natmichaels at hotmail.com (lorien_eve) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:37:52 -0000 Subject: Lupin Doubts...(was re: (Some sort) of comfirmation...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another note of irony to add to yours. In "Dragon Heart," Thewlis and Jason Isaacs both play characters. Also, Isaac's character is named Felton. Of course, Tom Felton plays Draco. I thought it was kind of cool. Lorien_Eve > > Check out the series Dinotopia. He doesn't have facial hair there, > but the character is worth a look. You will see how good an actor he > is. > > Just a side note, his character is named Crabbe. Ironic, no? > > D From natmichaels at hotmail.com Thu Aug 21 03:35:16 2003 From: natmichaels at hotmail.com (lorien_eve) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 03:35:16 -0000 Subject: Lupin Doubts...(was re: (Some sort) of comfirmation...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm mostly a lurker--don't post too often. However, I just had to say that I *totally* agree with you. I had never heard of Thewlis, so when I heard he was cast as Lupin, I looked him up on imdb.com. I was *very* disappointed. I have a wonderful picture of Lupin in my head and Thewlis does *not* fit that picture. I really tried to reserve judgement. I know they can work miracles with costumes and make-up. I wasn't orginally happy with Oldman as Black, but after seeing a picture of him in costume, I'm ok with it. But the more I see Thewlis, the more doubtful I become. I assume they wanted to give him a moustache to make him look more like a wolf, and if he had one in the books, I'd be alright with it. Now I'm afraid he's just going to look dumb. And what is this about him being in a *suit*??? None of the adult wizards wear Muggle clothes. Besides, there are constant references to the shabby state of Lupin's robes. Not *suit* or *clothes*, but *robes.* I was really looking forward to this movie. It's my favorite of the books so far. But now I'm really getting worried. I don't want Thewlis to replace my mental vision of Lupin. I saw PS and COS movies the nights they came out. However, if I keep hearing stuff like this about POA, I may wait to see it until I know it's really worth seeing. Lorien_Eve I mean I'm not that familiar with > Thewlis's work, but I do try to have faith in him. He's just > not...well judging from that picture (that I tried *SO* hard not to > judge)...well...well? > > Lupin is without a doubt one of the things that really makes > Prisoner of Azkaban the book it is; he's my favourite adult > character in the series without a doubt to boot. Am I being in > childish and silly when I say this little detail makes me nervous? I > hope not because...it does. From natmichaels at hotmail.com Thu Aug 21 04:03:48 2003 From: natmichaels at hotmail.com (lorien_eve) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:03:48 -0000 Subject: New pictures on DigiCasey In-Reply-To: <34.3e0e7433.2c74d8cb@aol.com> Message-ID: I think the "Beach" set is the lake. I don't have any real proof, but that's the only thing I could figure out. Lorien_Eve And what are these "Beach" scenes? WHy's > Hagrid in the water when he tells them about Buckbeak? I'm thoroughly confused. . > . > > Lynda > * * * > ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From WFeuchter at msn.com Thu Aug 21 14:23:01 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:23:01 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/20/2003 6:09:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > > it reported that Daniel recieved 3.2 million > > dollars for a movie, while Rupert and Emma only received 125,000. I think > > that's right - I think it's unfair that there is such a salary difference. > > > > Again, look at the amount of screen time Daniel has versus Rupert and Emma. > And the number of interviews he has to do (more than they do) -- and he's more > effective in interviews than they are, especially dear Rupert whose usual > responses of "Cool" "Brilliant" and "Wicked" are kind of conversation stoppers, > LOL! The 3.2 million does roughly correspond to the 2 million pound figure that was published earlier this year. I don't think WB understands how important Dan is to the franchise. Rubert has a lot of fans, but he is very weak when it comes to interviews. His replies are more or less what you would expect from a young teenager. Emma does a better job than Rubert, she is more thoughtful before she replies. But in my opionion Dan is right up there with the adult stars in interviews. Granted he is still nervous on live TV shows, but then some of the interviewers are just plain jack****! One of the best Dan interview I have seen is on the Austrailan promo disk. It is excerpted from a longer interview, but still runs almost 10 minutes. I love the way Dan will stop talking and search for a the correct word or phase before he continues. He seems very aware of the necessity of saying exactly what he means. And then the kid breaks thru. In this interview he was asked about his desire to direct. And he started talking about what Chris Columbus has told. About the movies he should study etc. Then the kid comes thru as he burst out with "I have wasted 10 years of my life not watching these movies." How can you not love a kid like that. But Dan is also a natural leader. You can see that in the live interviews with the trio. They always defer to him on general questions. Hopefully WB will realize this and up his salary. And if the other two are only getting what was quoted in the article that is a real shame. Will the franchise collaspe without the full trio. I think there is a real possiblity it will be weakened significantly. Dan is such a unique person that there are not many, if any, teenage star that could step in and do what he does. Let us hope that the trio remains intact! Bill From 12499 at msn.com Fri Aug 22 03:36:07 2003 From: 12499 at msn.com (pitaprh) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:36:07 -0000 Subject: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: New actors would kill the series - Heck my kids just learned these actors names and my kids are both under 5yrs old. Anyway - I have heard rumors that they will make GOF like they are doing the Matrix this year. The 1st part will be released in the summer with the conclusion released at Christmas - so you will have 2 - 21/2 hr movies. From siskiou at earthlink.net Fri Aug 22 04:04:17 2003 From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:04:17 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: One movie and new kids? RANT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <184176513917.20030821210417@earthlink.net> Hi, Thursday, August 21, 2003, 8:36:07 PM, 12499 at msn.com wrote: > Anyway - I have > heard rumors that they will make GOF like they are doing the Matrix > this year. The 1st part will be released in the summer with the > conclusion released at Christmas - so you will have 2 - 21/2 hr > movies. It seems WB changed their mind and is now going for only one 2 1/2 hr. movie, according to recent reports. -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/ From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Aug 22 14:52:30 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:52:30 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] virus? Message-ID: <1e.17af3418.2c77882e@aol.com> In a message dated 8/22/2003 6:08:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 9:44:22 --0400 > From: > Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver > > Please see the attached file for details. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > I didn't send this, nor does my computer have a virus -- I don't forward files to this forum. Sounds like someone who has my email addy on their computer and uses Outlook has a virus (my puter is scanned daily for viruses and it's clean, and I never use Outlook). Weird stuff. All virus creators should be put in a sack and stuffed in some really nasty place (hmm, there were some rooms in the Department of Mysteries that would do the job nicely. . .). Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From severusbook4 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 16:50:28 2003 From: severusbook4 at yahoo.com (severusbook4) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:50:28 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Does anyone remember the epics made only twenty years ago? Gone with the Wind, A Bridge too Far, The Lord of the Rings, the movies that lasted four plus hours and had an intermission half way through? Why not this in the case of GoF? I think it would create such a stir of nostalga (sp?) tha tpeople would see it just because it is so long. The Matrix Reloaded is right at three hours long, so why not GoF being the much needed four hours it screams for. Sorry for the rant, but I was serverely dissapointed. And yes, I saw the movies before reading the books, and I loved the first movie for the visuals. Now I associate the book characters with the actors of the movies, if they do recast, I will not be seeing any more movies, and they will not grace my collection at home. Severus From silverdragon at ezweb.com.au Sat Aug 23 23:42:26 2003 From: silverdragon at ezweb.com.au (silverdragon at ezweb.com.au) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:42:26 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? References: Message-ID: <012601c369d0$65ac2380$6a984cca@Monteith> From: "severusbook4" To: > Does anyone remember the epics made only twenty years ago? Gone > with the Wind, A Bridge too Far, The Lord of the Rings, the movies > that lasted four plus hours and had an intermission half way through? > Why not this in the case of GoF? I think it would create such a > stir of nostalga (sp?) tha tpeople would see it just because it is > so long. The Matrix Reloaded is right at three hours long, so why > not GoF being the much needed four hours it screams for. Sorry for > the rant, but I was serverely dissapointed. And yes, I saw the > movies before reading the books, and I loved the first movie for the > visuals. Now I associate the book characters with the actors of the > movies, if they do recast, I will not be seeing any more movies, and > they will not grace my collection at home. Oh I *loved* movies with intermission (only *just* old enough to remember it but I loved it...)! People would see it no matter how long it was, but since WB are so thoroughly convinced we adults (apparently) are all utters and they are simply making *kid's* movies, I think they feel they have to go with the 2 1/2 hr format, about as long as most kids would sit through. I also saw the movies before reading the books and loved them. I did, BTW, have the books stashed in my wardrobe waiting to give them to my daughter for Christmas. I thought it would be *very* rude to read them before I gave them to her ! But I do confess to sneaking one out every so often and flipping through till something caught my eye and reading a little here and there . The biggest problem is with so much cut to fit into the movie format, we miss many of those moments which give the books so much of their humour. Which is very disappointing to me now, as I just love the humour in the stories. Nox - A sucker for a good fantasy movie. ~ Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional. From HMaffioli at cox.net Sat Aug 23 01:11:56 2003 From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:11:56 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? References: <012601c369d0$65ac2380$6a984cca@Monteith> Message-ID: <005b01c36913$8bf525e0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> Nox: The biggest problem is with so much cut to fit into the movie format, we miss many of those moments which give the books so much of their humour. Which is very disappointing to me now, as I just love the humour in the stories. Me: I totally agree. I would have much rather seen Hagrid pulling tea kettles and fire pokers, sausages and frying pans out of his pockets than 3 minutes(or what felt like it) of Nevil bouncing around on his broom. And you know what my students (8 year olds) agreed. They were dissapointed too (not that they didn't love the movie. Heather Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nostrebor at runbox.com Sat Aug 23 03:17:06 2003 From: nostrebor at runbox.com (Jodi Robertson) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:17:06 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? References: Message-ID: <01de01c36925$10e5ade0$fc679f40@user7i1hr4si1m> ----- Original Message ----- From: "severusbook4" To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? > Does anyone remember the epics made only twenty years ago? Gone > with the Wind, A Bridge too Far, The Lord of the Rings, the movies > that lasted four plus hours and had an intermission half way through? > Why not this in the case of GoF? I think it would create such a > stir of nostalga (sp?) tha tpeople would see it just because it is > so long. The Matrix Reloaded is right at three hours long, so why > not GoF being the much needed four hours it screams for. Sorry for > the rant, but I was serverely dissapointed. And yes, I saw the > movies before reading the books, and I loved the first movie for the > visuals. Now I associate the book characters with the actors of the > movies, if they do recast, I will not be seeing any more movies, and > they will not grace my collection at home. > > Severus Spartacus comes to mind. A friend and I years ago went to a theatre (Fox Theatre in Detroit) to see it. Jodi From tracie622 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:11:20 2003 From: tracie622 at yahoo.com (Tracie) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:11:20 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: <01de01c36925$10e5ade0$fc679f40@user7i1hr4si1m> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jodi Robertson" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "severusbook4" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:50 PM > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF one movie? > > > > Does anyone remember the epics made only twenty years ago? Gone > > with the Wind, A Bridge too Far, The Lord of the Rings, the movies > > that lasted four plus hours and had an intermission half way through? > > Why not this in the case of GoF? I think it would create such a > > stir of nostalga (sp?) tha tpeople would see it just because it is > > so long. The Matrix Reloaded is right at three hours long, so why > > not GoF being the much needed four hours it screams for. Sorry for > > the rant, but I was serverely dissapointed. And yes, I saw the > > movies before reading the books, and I loved the first movie for the > > visuals. Now I associate the book characters with the actors of the > > movies, if they do recast, I will not be seeing any more movies, and > > they will not grace my collection at home. > > > > Severus > > Spartacus comes to mind. A friend and I years ago went to a theatre (Fox > Theatre in Detroit) to see it. > Jodi I don't think it would be a big problem to take kids to see GOF if it was 4 hours with an intermission...I was eight when my parents took me to see The Sound of Music. I was mesmerized by it...and it was over before I was ready for it to be. Harry Potter would surpass that...Kids wouldn't ever want it to end in the first place. GOF...4 hours long with an intermission...I see no problem with that at all. GOF 2.5 hours...BIG PROBLEM... I hear the "the book is the book and the movie is the movie" rhetoric all the time. Well, I think they should remember...there would be no story for a movie WITHOUT the book... Tracie...who hates to see ANY book butchered for movies... From WFeuchter at msn.com Sat Aug 23 20:30:27 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:30:27 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tracie" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jodi Robertson" > wrote: > > > >> > I don't think it would be a big problem to take kids to see GOF if > it was 4 hours with an intermission...I was eight when my parents > took me to see The Sound of Music. I was mesmerized by it...and it > was over before I was ready for it to be. Harry Potter would > surpass that...Kids wouldn't ever want it to end in the first > place. GOF...4 hours long with an intermission...I see no problem > with that at all. GOF 2.5 hours...BIG PROBLEM... I hear the "the > book is the book and the movie is the movie" rhetoric all the time. > Well, I think they should remember...there would be no story for a > movie WITHOUT the book... > > Tracie...who hates to see ANY book butchered for movies... Hear! Hear! Now is the time to let WB know how we feel Bill From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 23:39:27 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 23:39:27 -0000 Subject: GOF one movie? Message-ID: Much as I would love to see GoF as one of those old fashioned 4 hour epics, I do doubt that WB will let that happen. Not even Star Wars, one of the most popular franchise movies of all times, is given that honor. And IMO, George Lucas could have written the stories that way. Unless the "Accountants" at WB can show a massive amount of black ink, we will only see a 2 1/2 to 3 hour film (although 3 hours might be pushing it). There were so many things I missed seeing in the first two movies. Peeves wasn't even mentioned and he surely is one of the best comic relief characters in the novels. I would just love to see Remus send that wad of gum up his nostril. We won't see two Quidditch matches in PoA. Much to my regret. I don't think we will see Draco and his cronies get the drubbing they deserve when they impersonate the dementors. Of necessity, there will be much missing from GoF. I believe the movie will concentrate on the Triwizard tournament. Much of the subplots of the book will be lost. But that shouldn't deter us from enjoying the movie. After all, if Peter Jackson, with his LOTR movies has "rewritten" Tolkien, then JKR will surely be. But let us have this consolation. Steve Kloves does write the scripts and lets JKR have input. The important things will be there. I, for one, will not be disappointed. It's just another way for Harry Potter to be told. D From WFeuchter at msn.com Sun Aug 24 04:43:29 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:43:29 -0000 Subject: Filming Report Message-ID: THere is a report from the set of POA about Rubert Grint. It is posted at http://percyweasley.com/rupert.php. It can also be reached from rupertgrint.net Bill From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Aug 24 14:06:07 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:06:07 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GOF One movie? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/24/2003 5:59:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > Unless the "Accountants" at WB can show a massive amount of black > ink, we will only see a 2 1/2 to 3 hour film (although 3 hours might > be pushing it). > > I have sat in amazement at the theaters recently, paying attention to how many mega-hits WB is having. I can't think of them right this instant, but the majority of the "big" movies lately seem to all be WB pictures. So they should be quite nicely in the black, and the HP pictures especially should be keeping them well in the black, with huge box office receipts and huge video/DVD sales, PLUS the movies being shown on TV frequently, etc. So I can't see how "budget" could be a huge problem when the franchise is so strong. I'd go for either a Matrix like "to be continued" or a 4 hour movie with an intermission. But if they've made their decision, I doubt we can change their minds now. However, if somebody has an address to use to contact them, one they will actually receive and READ, I'm one who will write them about it. Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From WFeuchter at msn.com Sun Aug 24 17:07:37 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:07:37 -0000 Subject: GOF One movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I have sat in amazement at the theaters recently, paying attention to how > many mega-hits WB is having. I can't think of them right this instant, but the > majority of the "big" movies lately seem to all be WB pictures. So they should > be quite nicely in the black, and the HP pictures especially should be > keeping them well in the black, with huge box office receipts and huge video/DVD > sales, PLUS the movies being shown on TV frequently, etc. So I can't see how > "budget" could be a huge problem when the franchise is so strong. I'd go for > either a Matrix like "to be continued" or a 4 hour movie with an intermission. > But if they've made their decision, I doubt we can change their minds now. > However, if somebody has an address to use to contact them, one they will > actually receive and READ, I'm one who will write them about it. > > Lynda > * * * > ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP > > > My thoughts exactly. The theater owners will not stand for a 4 hour movie (my choice)as they could only turn over the house twice a night at the best. However two 3 hour movies within 6 months would be a great money maker. There was an article in the Sunday paper about how fans using instant messaging can kill a movie during it's opening weekend. So the economics of the movie business is changing. The studios will have to start listening to the fans if they want to stay in business. Our problem is that HP is viewed as a childrens story. True the first two are, on the surface, for children. What these wheeler/dealers ignore is that even the first two stories are very complex. No one could call OP a childrens story, it is an adult novel with a huge attraction for kids. It is never too late to try and influence the studio. Anyone who has watched Project Greelight on HBO knows how things change. For those who have not watched Project Greenlight, it is about non- professional making a move. In this case a movie that was written as a drama with comedy relief, was edited into a drama, and when rejected, was re-edited into a comedy. The point is that the studio can be influenced by it's customers, but there is not much time left for our influence to be felt. Bill From kylby at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 25 06:05:32 2003 From: kylby at bellsouth.net (kylby) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:05:32 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF One movie? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F49A72C.5040508@bellsouth.net> >>>instant messaging can kill a movie during it's opening weekend I don't want to step on any toes, but I think everyone needs to calm down. With all the negativity, we are killing the movie before it is even cast much less complete. Be open minded and optimist. Warner Brothers are professionals. At best, I'm OK with a camcorder. They know what they're doing as does the director and all his cronies. Give them a chance. It costs millions to make a movie especially Harry Potter movies which have so much computer animation. Sure, they can make billions, but face it, there is no way they can put all of each chapter of GOF in a movie. The best any of us can hope for is a good presentation of the necessary parts and adequate presentation of the not-so-necessary parts. Just because you or I think a part is essential, it may not be to Ms. Rowling (yes, she has a lot of say in these movies) or the guy who writes the scripts or the director. That is why we read books. I've never been to a movie based on a book that had the entire book on the screen. It's just not possible. So, don't condemn the movie and the parties responsible before they are even given a chance. With the negativity, it seems that many people hate it already and it doesn't even exist yet. Please be open minded and let the pros work their magic. In America, one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Who knows, we all might be pleasantly surprised! Jamie hpoldfan wrote: >>I have sat in amazement at the theaters recently, paying attention >> >> >to how > > >>many mega-hits WB is having. I can't think of them right this >> >> >instant, but the > > >>majority of the "big" movies lately seem to all be WB pictures. >> >> >So they should > > >>be quite nicely in the black, and the HP pictures especially >> >> >should be > > >>keeping them well in the black, with huge box office receipts and >> >> >huge video/DVD > > >>sales, PLUS the movies being shown on TV frequently, etc. So I >> >> >can't see how > > >>"budget" could be a huge problem when the franchise is so strong. >> >> >I'd go for > > >>either a Matrix like "to be continued" or a 4 hour movie with an >> >> >intermission. > > >>But if they've made their decision, I doubt we can change their >> >> >minds now. > > >>However, if somebody has an address to use to contact them, one >> >> >they will > > >>actually receive and READ, I'm one who will write them about it. >> >>Lynda >>* * * >>". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP >> >> >> >> >> >My thoughts exactly. The theater owners will not stand for a 4 hour >movie (my choice)as they could only turn over the house twice a >night at the best. However two 3 hour movies within 6 months would >be a great money maker. > >There was an article in the Sunday paper about how fans using >instant messaging can kill a movie during it's opening weekend. So >the economics of the movie business is changing. The studios will >have to start listening to the fans if they want to stay in business. > >Our problem is that HP is viewed as a childrens story. True the >first two are, on the surface, for children. What these >wheeler/dealers ignore is that even the first two stories are very >complex. No one could call OP a childrens story, it is an adult >novel with a huge attraction for kids. > >It is never too late to try and influence the studio. Anyone who has >watched Project Greelight on HBO knows how things change. For those >who have not watched Project Greenlight, it is about non- >professional making a move. In this case a movie that was written as >a drama with comedy relief, was edited into a drama, and when >rejected, was re-edited into a comedy. The point is that the studio >can >be influenced by it's customers, but there is not much time left for >our influence to be felt. > >Bill > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From harrysfannyc at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 20:04:41 2003 From: harrysfannyc at yahoo.com (harrysfannyc) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:04:41 -0000 Subject: GOF One movie? In-Reply-To: <3F49A72C.5040508@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: I'm one of those few that has not judged the film yet - but will reserve my judgement until I've seen it. I'm really looking forward to seeing the trailer in Nov & then I'm sure that many fans will be happy by what they've seen & begin to look forward to June '04. Fan --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, kylby wrote: > >>>instant messaging can kill a movie during it's opening weekend > > I don't want to step on any toes, but I think everyone needs to calm down. With all the negativity, we are killing the movie before it is even cast much less complete. Be open minded and optimist. Warner Brothers are professionals. At best, I'm OK with a camcorder. They know what they're doing as does the director and all his cronies. > > Give them a chance. It costs millions to make a movie especially Harry Potter movies which have so much computer animation. Sure, they can make billions, but face it, there is no way they can put all of each chapter of GOF in a movie. > > The best any of us can hope for is a good presentation of the necessary parts and adequate presentation of the not-so-necessary parts. Just because you or I think a part is essential, it may not be to Ms. Rowling (yes, she has a lot of say in these movies) or the guy who writes the scripts or the director. > > That is why we read books. I've never been to a movie based on a book that had the entire book on the screen. It's just not possible. > > So, don't condemn the movie and the parties responsible before they are even given a chance. With the negativity, it seems that many people hate it already and it doesn't even exist yet. Please be open minded and let the pros work their magic. In America, one is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Who knows, we all might be pleasantly surprised! > > Jamie From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Aug 25 13:44:36 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:44:36 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF one movie? Message-ID: <4e.20d3e997.2c7b6cc4@aol.com> In a message dated 8/25/2003 6:06:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > I'm one of those few that has not judged the film yet - but will > reserve my judgement until I've seen it. I'm really looking forward > to seeing the trailer in Nov &then I'm sure that many fans will be > happy by what they've seen &begin to look forward to June '04. > > > Fan > I don't think those of us who are hoping for two GoF movies have "judged" it yet. I, for one, will see each and every HP movie made, regardless of the length, the cast, etc. I will be greatly disappointed if they change the cast, and GoF is such an elegantly plotted, rich story, and such a DENSE story (lots of things going on), it would be a shame to have to cut out major components just to fit a time frame. But that doesn't mean I'm pre-judging the films. I came to HP from seeing the first movie, and I am excited to see how the other books translate to film, now that I've read them all at least 3 times (and the early books several more times than that ;->). I just hope they do it justice, as the LOTR movies have done those books justice despite having to cut out huge portions of beloved storylines. (Can't wait to see The Return of the King -- Yay!) Maybe they'll show the HP trailer while we're in the theater to see Return of the King -- how cool would that be? :-D Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tmarends at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 15:56:51 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:56:51 -0000 Subject: GoF one movie? In-Reply-To: <4e.20d3e997.2c7b6cc4@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: I just hope they do it > justice, as the LOTR movies have done those books justice despite having to cut out > huge portions of beloved storylines. (Can't wait to see The Return of the > King -- Yay!) Maybe they'll show the HP trailer while we're in the theater to > see Return of the King -- how cool would that be? :-D > > Lynda > * * * > ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP > > > Have you heard that on the day before the release of RotK that they are going to play the extended versions of FotR & TT followed by RotK?? You can sit and watch all 10+ hours of LotR with intermissions between each film. Mark Dec 16th on your calendar's for this special event. Tim From WFeuchter at msn.com Mon Aug 25 23:46:36 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:46:36 -0000 Subject: GOF One movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" wrote: > > " The studios will > > have to start listening to the fans if they want to stay in business." > . The point is that the studio > > can > > be influenced by it's customers, but there is not much time left for > > our influence to be felt. > > > > Bill" > > I actually think this story is a worst case scenario for the film, and > not a way any film should be made. What we need is a director with an > independent mind and an artistic vision of his own that he can bring > to GoF. If he loves HP and has a good record of earlier films, that > should be enough, he then should be given free rein. Not be forced to > have the story written and rewritten over and over, and scenes cut and > added according to constant new petitions from fans........ That was not what I was driving at. First the studio would never do that. Second, the director has almost complete control of the picture. I really have no complaint about the first 2 movies, and am looking forward to POA. That said, if the studio keeps thinking that they are making a childrens picture, then that is what will be made. I am advocating that the adult fans bring to the the attention of WB that it is no longer a childrens story, and it is important to bring the movie up to the itellectual level of the remaining books. That certain is not telling the studio how to make a movie. Bill From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Aug 26 14:53:49 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:53:49 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 681 Message-ID: <112.27bca93c.2c7cce7d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/26/2003 6:31:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > on the day before the release of RotK that they > are going to play the extended versions of FotR &TT followed by > RotK?? You can sit and watch all 10+ hours of LotR with > intermissions between each film. Mark Dec 16th on your calendar's > for this special event. > > Tim > YIkes, really? Talk about having a numb behind!! But it would be great, too. Dunno that I can talk my hubby into it. . . . ;-> Is this going to happen all over the country, or just in "selected cities"? Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tmarends at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 17:06:29 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:06:29 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 681 In-Reply-To: <112.27bca93c.2c7cce7d@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/26/2003 6:31:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > > on the day before the release of RotK that they > > are going to play the extended versions of FotR &TT followed by > > RotK?? You can sit and watch all 10+ hours of LotR with > > intermissions between each film. Mark Dec 16th on your calendar's > > for this special event. > > > > Tim > > > > YIkes, really? Talk about having a numb behind!! But it would be great, > too. Dunno that I can talk my hubby into it. . . . ;-> Is this going to happen > all over the country, or just in "selected cities"? > > Lynda Sappington > Those are the only details so far... and I found those at Yahoo Movies. The plan is to release the extended version of FotR in mid November... followed by the extended version of TT in early December... then the special event of all three films on the 16th... followed by the release of RotK on the 17th. Tim From CLShannon at aol.com Tue Aug 26 20:27:54 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:27:54 EDT Subject: POA filming story Message-ID: Hey everyone, Go to: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ There's a story from a Swedish newspaper on the filming and it's full of great comments and insights that we haven't seen before ;-) The story is translated right on the title page so you don't have to click on a link. It does look like we have a confirmation of sorts that the kids will be in GOF - however, we are still awaiting WB's confirmation. There is much good stuff in this article, including comments from Daniel, Emma and Gary Oldman regarding Cuaron's style of directing, etc. Also, a description of the scene that the reporter was witnessing involving Harry's Patronus when he and Hermione travel back in time. There's too much to summarize - just go and read it ;-) Cindy From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 22:55:43 2003 From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:55:43 -0000 Subject: POA filming story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > Hey everyone, > Go to: > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ > There's a story from a Swedish newspaper on the filming and it's full of > great comments and insights that we haven't seen before ;-) Why, oh why, everyone gets so excited about the modern clothes, like it's an obviously great thing? I, for one, hate it. Have you ever noticed that you can't really watch a movie from the seventies without thinking all the time how ridiculous the clothes are? That what will happen to Harry Potter movies in 20 years, instead for being timeless they are tied up now to a passing teenage style. I'm really glad the children are up for the fourth movie. And the stupid WB have bigger things to worry about than them being one year too old - like, how to reconcile the ridiculous Hagrid love-fest in the CoS with the fact that not only Slytherins but Ravenclaws are very happy not to have him around in book 5. Irene From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 11:01:55 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:01:55 -0000 Subject: POA filming story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" wrote: > I'm really glad the children are up for the fourth movie. And the > stupid WB have bigger things to worry about than them being one year > too old - > like, how to reconcile the ridiculous Hagrid love-fest in the CoS with > the fact that not only Slytherins but Ravenclaws are very happy not to > have him around in book 5. > > Irene If you remember, Hagrid was not a teacher at the end of CoS. The reason the Ravenclaws are not happy about Hagrid being at school in book 5, is that they do not care for the way he teaches. I believe they still like him. Even Harry, Ron, and Hermione are not thrilled with his classes, yet they still love him. Considering the filming schedules they have set up for Gof, it begins in April, I think we will see the kids for a while yet. The movies still make enough money, that they will be able to pay the kids to appear. It will be a blow to the series to recast. And I believe that WB is just smart enough to realize that. (At least I hope they are. But as you all know, "suits" are not all that intelligent.) Personally, I think the stories are wonderful entertainment. I will reserve my judgement about them until I actually see them. D - an optomist if ever there was one. From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Aug 27 13:31:19 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:31:19 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 681 Message-ID: <6d.17ed61fe.2c7e0ca7@aol.com> In a message dated 8/27/2003 7:15:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > The plan is to release the extended version of FotR in mid > November... followed by the extended version of TT in early > December... then the special event of all three films on the 16th... > followed by the release of RotK on the 17th. > > Tim > grrrr. Why don't they release the "extended versions" right away (I know, so they can sell more DVD's). I was going to wait to buy the extended version whenever it came out, and my dear sweet hubby surprised me yesterday with an unexpected gift -- the Two Towers DVD! Ah well, he said I'll just have to get the extended versions as a Christmas present. ;-> THanks for the info! Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Wed Aug 27 20:56:29 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:56:29 -0000 Subject: GOF One movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" > wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" > wrote: > > > > " The studios will > > > have to start listening to the fans if they want to stay in > business." > > > . The point is that the studio > > > can > > > be influenced by it's customers, but there is not much time left > for > > > our influence to be felt. > > > > > > Bill" > > > > I actually think this story is a worst case scenario for the film, > and > > not a way any film should be made. What we need is a director with > an > > independent mind and an artistic vision of his own that he can > bring > > to GoF. If he loves HP and has a good record of earlier films, that > > should be enough, he then should be given free rein. Not be forced > to > > have the story written and rewritten over and over, and scenes cut > and > > added according to constant new petitions from fans........ > > > > That was not what I was driving at. First the studio would never do > that. Second, the director has almost complete control of the > picture. I really have no complaint about the first 2 movies, and am > looking forward to POA. That said, if the studio keeps thinking that > they are making a childrens picture, then that is what will be made. > I am advocating that the adult fans bring to the the attention of WB > that it is no longer a childrens story, and it is important to > bring the movie up to the itellectual level of the remaining books. > That certain is not telling the studio how to make a movie. > > Bill I'm glad to hear that Bill - you know it was your story about how this script was constantly changed to fit the producers, from comedy to drama and back again that gave me the shudders. And it seemed as if you had that as an example on how studios could be influenced by us fans. But I guess I wasn't only answering you, it's how some of the fans get so nervous about every little thing, and start to talk about petitions for everything. I have the feeling I have done nothing but writing in Cuar?ns defence ever since the first news about PoA filming came out, and no one has even seen as much as one minute of actual film yet. As for letting the studio know adult fans are as important for them as the kid fans, I think they know, at least if they check on the segments buying the books. I think they do. And everybody interviewed on the set so far has talked about how much darker and grittier PoA is going to be. So let's not despair. I am actually much more worried that they will listen too much to all the nitpickers among us fans! That could definitely ruin the film. Torill From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Wed Aug 27 21:21:25 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:21:25 -0000 Subject: POA filming story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > Go to: > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ > > There's a story from a Swedish newspaper on the filming and it's > full of > > great comments and insights that we haven't seen before ;-) > > Why, oh why, everyone gets so excited about the modern clothes, like > it's an obviously great thing? I, for one, hate it. > Have you ever noticed that you can't really watch a movie from the > seventies without thinking all the time how ridiculous the clothes > are? That what will happen to Harry Potter movies in 20 years, instead > for being timeless they are tied up now to a passing teenage style. > > I'm really glad the children are up for the fourth movie. And the > stupid WB have bigger things to worry about than them being one year > too old - > like, how to reconcile the ridiculous Hagrid love-fest in the CoS with > the fact that not only Slytherins but Ravenclaws are very happy not to > have him around in book 5. > > Irene I loved the article too. We were righit, it was the dementor scene! And so exciting to read about Cuar?ns filming style, almost no close ups, and long takes as we have heard before - He really has a different filming style than Columbus, hasn't he!! Columbus has this slightly boring three pace thing: first a wide shot zooming in on whoever is to be in the scene coming walking in, then close up to the one who speaks, close up to the other that speaks, cut, new wide shot, preferably from above, zooming in.... This is going to be so much better!! And more than 40 takes, poor kids! I was smiling about Dan's comment on Alfonso's "mildly insisting style that suits the material" the kid's only 14 and he speaks like this!! Is he cute or what!! (he said in Vanity fair that he hates being patronized, hope he doesn't read this...) Or maybe it was the translation, from English to Swedish and back again that made it sound like that.. About clothes - absolutely fine with them. Clothes are a VERY minor theme in the books, so it's ok to let the kids wear the kind of muggle clothes that they do today, and not put too much effort into that. Put the effort into the wizarding things. You can never make the films timeless anyway, sooner or later the style that seems timeless to us will look oldfashioned and strange to later generations. There is no point in trying to hide the fact that the film is made in 2003/4, that will be detected anyway. And the kids are back for GoF, hooray!! Torill From WFeuchter at msn.com Wed Aug 27 21:57:13 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:57:13 -0000 Subject: POA filming story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" > > > .......This is going to be so much better!! And more than 40 takes, poor > kids! I was smiling about Dan's comment on Alfonso's "mildly > insisting style that suits the material" the kid's only 14 and he > speaks like this!! Is he cute or what!! (he said in Vanity fair that > he hates being patronized, hope he doesn't read this...) Or > maybe it was the translation, from English to Swedish and back again > that made it sound like that.. > >> Torill Dan is not cute (well he most likely is to the female segment)what he is is extremely intellegent, and old beyond his years. I never really understood the old soul thing until Dan appeared. Does give one hope Bill From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 09:34:13 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:34:13 -0000 Subject: POA filming story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" > > Dan is not cute (well he most likely is to the female segment)what > he is is extremely intellegent, and old beyond his years. I never > really understood the old soul thing until Dan appeared. Does give > one hope > > Bill I agree, he has been well grounded by his parents. All this fame thing hasn't gone to his head. I have seen this in him as well as Rupert Grint and Emma Watson. I do hope they continue to behave as well as they have. It is refreshing to see such behavior in young people. D From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:32:18 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:32:18 -0000 Subject: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! Message-ID: Hello all! You MUST see these new--as I suppose they are, I haven't seen them anywhere else--from PoA: one is of Snape dressed as Nevilles gran and one is of Pigwidgeon. You'll find them at harrypotterspage.com on the main page under "new pics." Hurry, hurry! (I'm so excited right now...) Sophia From odilefalaise at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 13:47:49 2003 From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030828134749.65722.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> CUTE! I've never seen them before - Pig is adorable! And Snape as Neville's gran - er, well, I'm glad I didn't see that before I went to bed. ^_~ It's nice to see real pictures and not blurry ones of trailers that seem to be popping up. I mean, props to the folks with cellphone cams, but still... I wonder where/how they got them? And if there are more forthcoming? Odile <--also excited! sophiamcl wrote: Hello all! You MUST see these new--as I suppose they are, I haven't seen them anywhere else--from PoA: one is of Snape dressed as Nevilles gran and one is of Pigwidgeon. You'll find them at harrypotterspage.com on the main page under "new pics." Hurry, hurry! (I'm so excited right now...) Sophia Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Is your message... An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From draco382 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 17:41:33 2003 From: draco382 at yahoo.com (draco382) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:41:33 -0000 Subject: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: <20030828134749.65722.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I might get tarred and feathered for saying this, but.... Snape makes an absolutely DASHING grandmother. I'm surprised that's the first time i've even seen that pic...I would have expected it to be all over the major HP sites... ~draco382 (loving A. Rickman even more in drag) From bkdelong at pobox.com Thu Aug 28 17:42:27 2003 From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:42:27 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: References: <20030828134749.65722.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828134157.02387010@PO11.MIT.EDU> At 05:41 PM 8/28/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I might get tarred and feathered for saying this, but.... > >Snape makes an absolutely DASHING grandmother. > >I'm surprised that's the first time i've even seen that pic...I would >have expected it to be all over the major HP sites... I'm pretty confident that's a graphical manipulation and not an actual pic. -- B.K. DeLong bkdelong at pobox.com +1.617.797.2472 http://ocw.mit.edu Work. http://www.brain-stream.com Play. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Potter. http://www.city-of-doors.com Sigil PGP Fingerprint: 38D4 D4D4 5819 8667 DFD5 A62D AF61 15FF 297D 67FE From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Thu Aug 28 17:50:30 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:50:30 -0000 Subject: Correction WAS: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > Hello all! > > You MUST see these new--as I suppose they are, I haven't seen them > anywhere else--from PoA: one is of Snape dressed as Nevilles gran and > one is of Pigwidgeon. You'll find them at harrypotterspage.com on the > main page under "new pics." Hurry, hurry! (I'm so excited right > now...) > I'm really sorry everyone. I relayed the news to Leaky, and was told that though the Pig-pic is official, the one of Snape is only fan art, and not from the movie. *sigh* That is pretty good fan art I must say. It doesn't look like a cut and paste job at all. Sorry to get your hopes up (and my own, for that matter--but what the heck, in nine months time well get to see it...) Sophia From bkdelong at pobox.com Thu Aug 28 17:57:22 2003 From: bkdelong at pobox.com (B.K. DeLong) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:57:22 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Correction WAS: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828135318.034afc60@PO11.MIT.EDU> At 05:50 PM 8/28/2003 +0000, sophiamcl wrote: >I'm really sorry everyone. I relayed the news to Leaky, and was told >that though the Pig-pic is official, the one of Snape is only fan >art, and not from the movie. *sigh* That is pretty good fan art I >must say. It doesn't look like a cut and paste job at all. Sorry to >get your hopes up (and my own, for that matter--but what the heck, in >nine months time well get to see it...) A bit of a correction: I said though the Pig-pic has been around for a while, I'm not sure its official. Our WB contacts are usually good about telling us what is and is not official. I'll run Snape-as-Neville's Gran by them but from what I can see it does look like a bit of a c&p to me. Plus, those with real pictures are often very good about telling us where they got them and this one appears to have no source information tied to it (i.e. trailer clips, set picture, early unreleased WB pic. No need to apologize...but just more of an FYI. -- B.K. DeLong bkdelong at pobox.com +1.617.797.2472 http://ocw.mit.edu Work. http://www.brain-stream.com Play. http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Potter. http://www.city-of-doors.com Sigil PGP Fingerprint: 38D4 D4D4 5819 8667 DFD5 A62D AF61 15FF 297D 67FE From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 19:37:10 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:37:10 -0000 Subject: Correction WAS: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030828135318.034afc60@PO11.MIT.EDU> Message-ID: Is this one a manip? It looks pretty real to me. http://harrypotterspage.com/images/poa/61poadanonsetsjpg.jpg Anne U (and what about a blackout in London? What's up with that?) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "B.K. DeLong" wrote: > At 05:50 PM 8/28/2003 +0000, sophiamcl wrote: > >I'm really sorry everyone. I relayed the news to Leaky, and was told > >that though the Pig-pic is official, the one of Snape is only fan > >art, and not from the movie. *sigh* That is pretty good fan art I > >must say. It doesn't look like a cut and paste job at all. Sorry to > >get your hopes up (and my own, for that matter--but what the heck, in > >nine months time well get to see it...) > From glcherry at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 28 21:59:29 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:59:29 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! References: <20030828134749.65722.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F4E7B41.1010307@bellsouth.net> > > >Thank you so much for this! The pic of Pig is adorable! As for Snape...yeah that's about right. :) > Lorrie Who sincerely hopes to see some *Really* good pics of Sirius and Remus SOON! >Hello all! > >You MUST see these new--as I suppose they are, I haven't seen them >anywhere else--from PoA: one is of Snape dressed as Nevilles gran and >one is of Pigwidgeon. You'll find them at harrypotterspage.com on the >main page under "new pics." Hurry, hurry! (I'm so excited right >now...) > >Sophia > > >Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > >Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Is your message... >An announcement of merchandise, news etc.? Send it to HPFGU-Announcements. >Movie-related? Send it to HPFGU-Movie. >Referencing *only* the books? Send it to HPforGrownups. >None of the above? OT? Send it to HPFGU-OTChatter. >Unsure? Other questions? Ask your personal List Elf or the Mods -- MagicalMods at yahoogroups.com > >Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From CLShannon at aol.com Thu Aug 28 20:25:30 2003 From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:25:30 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Correction WAS: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! Message-ID: <4e.20f5ce7f.2c7fbf3a@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/03 12:45:09 PM, anneu53714 at yahoo.com writes: << Is this one a manip? It looks pretty real to me. http://harrypotterspage.com/images/poa/61poadanonsetsjpg.jpg >> No, that's a real picture. It's from the very first days of filming back in February when they were doing the 'escape from Privet Drive' sequence. Of course, that particular picture is between takes - it was a cold evening, hence the overcoat on Dan ;-) Cindy From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 22:24:40 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:24:40 -0000 Subject: Correction WAS: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: <4e.20f5ce7f.2c7fbf3a@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 8/28/03 12:45:09 PM, anneu53714 at y... writes: > > << Is this one a manip? It looks pretty real to me. > > > http://harrypotterspage.com/images/poa/61poadanonsetsjpg.jpg >> > > No, that's a real picture. It's from the very first days of filming back in > February when they were doing the 'escape from Privet Drive' sequence. Of > course, that particular picture is between takes - it was a cold evening, hence > the overcoat on Dan ;-) > Cindy It's a very nice photo. Yes, very nice. Anne U (also enjoying this photo of what must be Azkaban: http://harrypotterspage.com/images/poa/64poaazkaban.jpg) From susannahlm at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 22:10:27 2003 From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:10:27 -0000 Subject: "Pic" of Snape as Neville's Gran Message-ID: Nah. This is a fake. I ran across this: http://straykitty.com/deargirl/potter/videos/prisonertrailer.mov a few days ago, and was just waiting to see if someone else wouldn't correct it first. Lazy!Derannimer, who is glad that the pic is a fake, as she thinks that it looks awful From sara1412au at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 14:28:15 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:28:15 -0000 Subject: Preview of Boggart!Snape? (was Re: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry - can't see the pictures as none of the links seem to work on my computer .. or take ages to come up. It looks like an official Boggart!Snape picture won't be out for awhile BUT, I recently went on a bit of an Alan Rickman kick and watched any of his movies that I could get my hands on. In a dramatic prison breakout scene from 'Michael Collins' (well made though aparently historically dodgy film), you get to see Mr Rickman donned in ... well, either rent out the film or check out this screencap (2nd picure from the left on the front row ... (cut and paste the URL). (Alan Rickman is the character on the right of the picture) http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF- 8&q=+site:www.rickmanistareview.com+alan+rickman+michael+collins All I could think of (and giggle about) was Boggart Snape! The Rickman site hosting the picture has taken it down either because it was, well, slightly unflattering or (more likely), as it was more than slightly illegal. Sara_ELL From sara1412au at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 14:39:24 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:39:24 -0000 Subject: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry - the links to the pictures do not appear to be working on my computer though judging from the replies posted above, it seems that we will be waiting for an authentic Boggart!Snape picture for a wee bit longer. For those who cannot wait that long, I suggest renting out the film 'Michael Collins' (historically somewhat dodgy but well-acted film starring Alan Rickman) and checking out the prison breakout scene. I watched this during my one-person Alan Rickman film festival and could only envisage Rickman as Neville's Gran/Boggart Snape for the rest of the film. This: (cut and paste the URL) http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF- 8&q=+site:www.rickmanistareview.com+alan+rickman+michael+collins is a screencap from the scene and Mr Rickman is the character in the fetching hat to the right of the 2nd picture on the front row. The fan site that hosted the picture took it down - can't imagine why! Sara_ELL From przepla at ipartner.com.pl Sat Aug 30 22:39:58 2003 From: przepla at ipartner.com.pl (Przemyslaw Plaskowicki) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:39:58 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Pic of Snape as Nevilles gran! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F5127BE.6020305@ipartner.com.pl> On 2003-08-30 16:39, Sara_ELL wrote: >This: (cut and paste the URL) > >http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF- >8&q=+site:www.rickmanistareview.com+alan+rickman+michael+collins > > It is a bit off topish, but neverthless might be helpful in the future. When using long URLs in mails, it is better to use http://www.tinyurl.com/ services. Now the URL you send is completely clickable and is: http://tinyurl.com/lqc1 . Regards, Pshemekan From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Sun Aug 31 16:20:45 2003 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:20:45 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mastermind Message-ID: For the Brits on the list; I see from the Radio Times that someone is going on Mastermind tomorrow with the specialist subject of 'The Harry Potter films'. Ok, own up...who is it? Cheers, Nicholas