From andie at knownet.net  Mon Dec  1 02:24:30 2003
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:24:30 -0000
Subject: Movie Hints
Message-ID: <bqe8ou+vbnc@eGroups.com>

While I've been a member of the original group for about a year now, 
I am a recent member of the movie list, so I don't remember this 
topic.  I'm hoping that I will not anger anyone by being repetitive 
by being repetitive by being repetitive. :)

Since CoS has been on HBO a billion times this month, I've been 
watching it a lot more than I normally would and have noticed a few 
things.  

First, during the dueling club scene when Snape goes to get rid of 
the snake, he says something that I can't remember and 
then  "Evanesca."  Now, I don't remember ever hearing the "Evanesco" 
command before OoP; however, this clearly is the same type of 
command. My guess is that JK shared this incantation with Chris 
Columbus during the making of CoS.

This leads me to my second observation, and question.  While from GoF 
on, we are aware of "Stupify" and "Impedimenta", I do not recall the 
incantation Harry uses to get rid of the spiders in the CoS movie. 
Riddle is heard using it during the "50 years ago" scene when he 
catches Hagrid, and Harry then uses it when he and Ron are in the 
hollow with Aragog and his extended family - more specifically, he 
uses it when Ron is being attacked by the spider once they get back 
into the car.  Now, the exact incantation is escaping me right now, 
but I know that it did not ring any bells with me as far as the spell 
being in any of the books.  

Do you think that this incantation will end up in either books 6 or 
7, just like the "Evanesca" showed up as "Evanesco" in OoP?

Andrea :)
(who is hesitant to let go of this long weekend and get back to work 
tomorrow)





From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Mon Dec  1 08:03:19 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 03:03:19 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Countdown
Message-ID: <36.4c73aca0.2cfc4fc7@aol.com>

Another good site is <A HREF="www.countingdown.com">www.countingdown.com</A> . It counts down to just about any 
movie that is out, or even thinking about coming out!! There's a good POA 
board there as well as one for GOF & the books. Try that one.
Jenn :)


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From siriuslove71 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 17:42:21 2003
From: siriuslove71 at yahoo.com (Diana_Sirius_fan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:42:21 -0000
Subject: Still bugging me about CoS...
In-Reply-To: <bq6smp+t5kh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqfuht+9m17@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:
>> The first scene occurs at the end of the scene where McGonagall 
> talks about the chamber of secrets to the classroom full of 
> students.  Hermione asks what exactly does legend say is in the 
> chamber and McGonagall replies that legend says it's the home of a 
> monster only the heir of Slytherin can control.  > 

This completely drives me crazy just for the fact that Hermoine asks 
in McGonagll's class.  When Hermoine interupted Binns' class it was 
a huge deal. Nobody really pays attention in his class so when she 
asked the question about the Chamber of Secrets not only were her 
classmates stunned at her question but they were also shocked that 
someone even asked a question.  In McGonagall's class everyone pays 
attention to her so it really wasn't a big deal for all the class to 
be listening on the edge of their seats.  

Another Diana, sirius fan





From siriuslove71 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 17:41:41 2003
From: siriuslove71 at yahoo.com (Diana_Sirius_fan)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:41:41 -0000
Subject: Still bugging me about CoS...
In-Reply-To: <bq6smp+t5kh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqfugl+vfgu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:
>> The first scene occurs at the end of the scene where McGonagall 
> talks about the chamber of secrets to the classroom full of 
> students.  Hermione asks what exactly does legend say is in the 
> chamber and McGonagall replies that legend says it's the home of a 
> monster only the heir of Slytherin can control.  > 

This completely drives me crazy just for the fact that Hermoine asks 
in McGonagll's class.  When Hermoine interupted Binns' class it was 
a huge deal. Nobody really pays attention in his class so when she 
asked the question about the Chamber of Secrets not only were her 
classmates stunned at her question but they were also shocked that 
someone even asked a question.  In McGonagall's class everyone pays 
attention to her so it really wasn't a big deal for all the class to 
be listening on the edge of their seats.  

Another Diana, sirius fan





From gullicksen at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 21:20:24 2003
From: gullicksen at yahoo.com (kbmum2000)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:20:24 -0000
Subject: Thanks (Re: looking for POA wanted poster)
In-Reply-To: <bq2d0s+8etl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqgbao+5gdm@eGroups.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the poster.  I 
found exactly what I was looking for, and then some!

Cindy




From shannon.koch at pharma.novartis.com  Mon Dec  1 19:01:22 2003
From: shannon.koch at pharma.novartis.com (shannon.koch at pharma.novartis.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:01:22 -0500
Subject: Still bugging me about CoS....
Message-ID: <OF43CCC4BD.B8AF3932-ON85256DEF.0067FC83-85256DEF.00687EF6@EU.novartis.net>


I have to agree that there are certain scenes in the film that I would have
loved to see and others that were changed and I did not like, but that is
the problem with reading the novels before seeing it and the time limits, I
guess.  I had actually seen the first movie before reading the books and
liked it so much I decided to give the books a whirl (Of course now I am
addicted) and I have to admit, I was so disappointed with scenes I thought
should have been in the movie that weren't.

I know PoA is going to be the same way because they made it into only one
film and even stretching it to 3 hours, there is no way to get everything
into it that the fans truly want to see.  I just hope for GoF and OoP they
break the movies into 2 parts, filming them into a 5-6 hour movie and
releasing like the Matrix so we can get a true feel for what the books are.
There is no way either of these books can be condensed into 2-3 hours and
give a true interpretation of the writing.



Shannon






From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  2 02:40:03 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:40:03 -0000
Subject: Movie Hints
In-Reply-To: <bqe8ou+vbnc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqgu23+ollj@eGroups.com>

Andrea wrote:
 > Since CoS has been on HBO a billion times this month, I've been 
> watching it a lot more than I normally would and have noticed a 
few 
> things.  

Diana (me) writes:
Me too!  LOL  If the movie comes on when I've just got the TV on for 
background noise, I turn it to CoS.   

Andrea again:
> First, during the dueling club scene when Snape goes to get rid of 
> the snake, he says something that I can't remember and 
> then  "Evanesca."  Now, I don't remember ever hearing 
the "Evanesco" 
> command before OoP; however, this clearly is the same type of 
> command. My guess is that JK shared this incantation with Chris 
> Columbus during the making of CoS.
> 
> This leads me to my second observation, and question.  While from 
GoF 
> on, we are aware of "Stupify" and "Impedimenta", I do not recall 
the 
> incantation Harry uses to get rid of the spiders in the CoS movie. 
> Riddle is heard using it during the "50 years ago" scene when he 
> catches Hagrid, and Harry then uses it when he and Ron are in the 
> hollow with Aragog and his extended family - more specifically, he 
> uses it when Ron is being attacked by the spider once they get 
back into the car.  Now, the exact incantation is escaping me right 
now, but I know that it did not ring any bells with me as far as the 
spell being in any of the books.  
> Do you think that this incantation will end up in either books 6 
or 7, just like the "Evanesca" showed up as "Evanesco" in OoP?

Diana (me) writes:
I believe the spell is "arronia exemay" or "arronia exebay". I'm 
sure the spelling is incorrect as I'm just spelling it according to 
how it sounds like it's spelled.  The spell Snape uses for the snake 
in the dueling scene is "e perra evanesca", again I'm guessing on 
the spelling.  
Harry using the spell in Aragog's den strikes me as a way the 
filmmaker tried to give an example of how good (really good) Harry 
does under pressure.  After all, Harry successfully uses an unknown 
spell he only heard ONCE within the memory inside Riddle's diary - 
and quite a bit later than when he first heard it as well.   In the 
book, Harry does not try any spells against the spiders, but in the 
movie, he repeats the spell performed by Riddle in the memory he 
witnessed.  The exact spell Riddle performed in the memory is not 
given in the book, though he did perform a spell to open Aragog's 
box.  So, either JKR gave the filmmakers a latin-words spell they 
could use in the movie, or the filmmakers just added it on their 
own.  If she did give them the words to use, then I think your idea 
that this spell could appear in future books is a good one. 

Diana L. 





From idcre at imap2.asu.edu  Tue Dec  2 06:35:03 2003
From: idcre at imap2.asu.edu (backstagemystic)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:35:03 -0000
Subject: "Impera Evanesca" - was Re: Movie Hints
In-Reply-To: <bqgu23+ollj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqhbqn+bf3p@eGroups.com>

A couple folks asked/speculated about the incantation Snape used to 
make the snake disappear in the dueling scene.

I did a bit of research at an online Latin dictionary website.

"Impera Evanesca" can be loosely translated as "You are commanded to 
vanish." (I'm sure there are Latin experts out there who can give a 
more precise translation, but there you go.).

BM




From SnapesRaven at web.de  Tue Dec  2 07:33:51 2003
From: SnapesRaven at web.de (SnapesRaven)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:33:51 -0000
Subject: Movie Hints/'Vipera Evanesca' (Duelling Club)
In-Reply-To: <bqgu23+ollj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqhf8v+352c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:
> Andrea wrote:
> > First, during the dueling club scene when Snape goes to get rid 
of 
> > the snake, he says something that I can't remember and 
> > then  "Evanesca."  Now, I don't remember ever hearing 
> the "Evanesco" 
> > command before OoP; however, this clearly is the same type of 
> > command. My guess is that JK shared this incantation with Chris 
> > Columbus during the making of CoS.

Good morning!
I just read the post and in my memory (everytime I recall it I 
automatically remember the same word, so I'm quite sure about it) 
Snape doesn't say 'Impera Evanesca' (like it was guessed in another 
post), but 'Vipera Evanesca'. I looked 'vipera' up in my Latin 
Dictionary and found out I recalled it correctly: 'vipera' means 
serpent, viper. I know that in the duelling scene I found this spell 
very fitting. It was as logical to me as Draco's 'Serpens Sortia' 
with which he made a serpent 'exit' his wand. 
I am under the impression that Snape addresses the serpent 
and 'links' it to the command to vanish. I still don't know if sheer 
will power directs a spell at the right person/object when there is 
such a big crowd like the gathered students around the duelling 
platform, not to mention the moving serpent itself, and thus believe 
it to be logical for Snape to address the serpent itself.
I know that Snape is a very skilled wizard and probably doesn't have 
difficulties aiming precisely; what I'm just trying to come up with 
is a somewhat plausible explanation for my guess that he 
says, 'Vipera Evanesca'.

Regards,

SnapesRaven
*flutters back onto the Hogsmeade signpost, watching the Thestrals 
draw the school carriages through the rain up to the castle*





From hp at plum.cream.org  Tue Dec  2 11:06:44 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:06:44 +0000
Subject: Latin Incantations
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031202110253.0097bbc0@plum.cream.org>

As the subject of the newly-invented incantations seems to be of interest, 
folks might be interested that this topic was done to death when the movie 
came out.

See messages # 4244 and # 4560 and the threads they engendered. (There were 
others, but I can't find them right now; YahooMort is being particularly 
unfriendly.)





From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Dec  3 03:33:07 2003
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:33:07 EST
Subject: Movie Hints/'Vipera Evanesca' (Duelling Club)
Message-ID: <155.28b495ee.2cfeb373@aol.com>

Yes, it is "Vipera Evanesca." 

If you are having trouble figuring out exactly what they are saying, try 
using the captions feature on your TV or DVD player. Most TVs made in the past few 
years have that option & I haven't seen a DVD player without it. 

---Mary, who has a twenty year old TV set


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From idcre at imap2.asu.edu  Wed Dec  3 10:08:37 2003
From: idcre at imap2.asu.edu (backstagemystic)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:08:37 -0000
Subject: Movie Hints/'Vipera Evanesca' (Duelling Club)
In-Reply-To: <155.28b495ee.2cfeb373@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bqkcn5+6pvt@eGroups.com>

My thanks to those who corrected my error (i.e. "Vipera" as opposed 
to the "Impera").  I hadn't been quite sure as to what I thought I 
was hearing when watching CoS, and so my mind jumped to the closest 
thing it could think of.  It makes so much more sense now.  :-)

BM




From manda at qx.net  Wed Dec  3 19:22:46 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:22:46 -0800
Subject: PoA trailer before ROTK
Message-ID: <3FCDC786.4747.9DD1DD@localhost>

Dark Horizons reports that the PoA trailer is expected to be included before The Return of the King prints. Yay!

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news03/031202a.php


Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  3 17:38:31 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:38:31 -0000
Subject: Swedish tragedy
Message-ID: <bql72n+2frm@eGroups.com>

Sorry if this post appears twice--I made a wrong click and can't tell where my 
post went, so I'll do it over:

Woe is me, for I have found out that PoA will not premiere in Sweden until 
Aug 6th!!! I can't imagine sitting tight while the rest of you are picking it apart 
here on the list, so my only option seems to leave the country, at least 
around June 4th (a little trip to London, perhaps?).

Sophia (of Sweden--home of the crumple-horned snorkack)(?)




From autophile at zoominternet.net  Wed Dec  3 22:32:09 2003
From: autophile at zoominternet.net (Rob)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:32:09 -0000
Subject: Still bugging me about CoS...
In-Reply-To: <bqfugl+vfgu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqlo99+m9db@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana_Sirius_fan"
<siriuslove71 at y...> wrote:

> This completely drives me crazy just for the fact that Hermoine asks 
> in McGonagll's class.  When Hermoine interupted Binns' class it was 
> a huge deal.

Just to get it out of the way, I agree with you. :)

That being said, one could also pick apart the movie for (a) not
showing every scene in the book, and (b) not being completely accurate
to the book in the scenes the movie does show. Binns' class was not
shown in the movie at all, probably since it would have added too much
runtime in a movie where we have already seen McGonagall's class. We
also didn't see Potions (if I recall correction) in CoS.

Moving key points of a book into apparently inappropriate settings is
what book adaptations are all about.

(delayed reaction) WHAT? There's no such thing as "too much
runtime"!!! :)

--Rob





From ephilipbar at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 00:46:13 2003
From: ephilipbar at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Catherine)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 00:46:13 -0000
Subject: Goblet of Fire will be in two parts?
Message-ID: <bqm04l+s8nd@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
I am trying to find out if Warner Brothers has definitively stated 
that they are only making GOF into one two hour movie.  Muggle.net 
has a posting of a recent interview by Jason Isaacs and he says they 
have scripts but no way of knowing who will be left in a "two hour 
movie."  Some weeks ago I went to a separate link for a petition to 
Warner Brothers asking them to reconsider and make GOF into two 
parts  (summer and winter release.  Any thoughts? Ideas?

Liz





From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Dec  4 01:54:47 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 01:54:47 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Goblet of Fire will be in two parts?
In-Reply-To: <bqm04l+s8nd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20031204011557.009716f0@plum.cream.org>

At 00:46 04/12/03 , Elizabeth Catherine wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am trying to find out if Warner Brothers has definitively stated
>that they are only making GOF into one two hour movie.  Muggle.net
>has a posting of a recent interview by Jason Isaacs and he says they
>have scripts but no way of knowing who will be left in a "two hour
>movie."  Some weeks ago I went to a separate link for a petition to
>Warner Brothers asking them to reconsider and make GOF into two
>parts  (summer and winter release.  Any thoughts? Ideas?

You're quite correct. No final decision has yet been announced, but there's 
lots of supposition and lots and lots of rumours, which mainly serve to 
create new ones. Apart from Isaacs' recent comments, I recall Kloves having 
said when PoA went into production that he'd been asked to produce a single 
script. However, it has never been specified how long that script was meant 
to be, or indeed how long the current draft is.

Nevertheless, the way Isaacs phrased his comments makes it sound like the 
production team is trying to squeeze GoF into a single movie. Otherwise 
there wouldn't be uncertainty as to whether or not Lucius Malfoy makes it 
to the final draft. If there were any intention *whatsoever* to make two 
movies, Malfoy would be a definite, absolute inclusion. The idea of cutting 
the character would indicate that the whole QWC and DE scenes which follow 
that could be cut down or removed altogether, which there would be no need 
to do in a "long" version.

Bearing in mind that Isaacs is very much in demand (and will be in even 
more demand if Peter Pan is a success), the idea of leaving him in doubt as 
to whether he'll be required on a production which starts in probably six 
months is very, very dangerous. If there was a good chance that he'd be 
needed, they'd already have signed him up. The fact he's not already been 
snapped up makes a two-movie version VERY, VERY unlikely.

Fan reaction and desires are a separate issue. Of course, most fans want as 
much as possible of the book to be kept intact and in the movie. However, 
there is no way that everything will be in there (a literal filming of the 
whole of GoF would probably require 8 or 9 hours), so the only question is 
whether whatever is left is done as one movie or two.

As I've said before, I don't mind if it's one single movie, as long as it's 
adapted correctly, rather than just jumping from sequence to sequence and 
making changes which aren't in keeping with the Potterverse (e.g. 
transferring the History lesson scene in CoS to Transfiguration, as is 
being discussed in another thread right now).

I know that some fans are insisting that GoF is made into two movies, and 
I've seen the same petition you mentioned. However, I'll repeat a similar 
comment I made some time ago about the "Save Wood" petition at the 
beginning of the year. The "save GoF" petition(s) currently total a little 
over 20,000 signatures. Please forgive me while I have a laugh.

GoF sold how many millions of copies in the UK and US (forgetting other 
countries)? The first two movies sold how many millions of cinema tickets 
(and DVDs)? Given current internet accessibility in just those two 
countries, for that petition to have ANY meaning or impact, it would need 
AT THE VERY LEAST a million signatures. And that's simply not going to 
happen, and thus Warners will do what they want regardless of fans' feelings.

I certainly have no intention of signing that petition or any other on the 
subject. What is important is not whether the GoF movie(s) includes every 
scene, sequence and nuance of the book, but whether it makes sense 
internally and with reference to the other movies. Now, if there was any 
sense in attempting to get Warners to get rid of Steve Kloves and employ a 
writer who knows what he's doing, understands the material and how to 
*adapt* it into a movie, then perhaps I might get involved, because that's 
the main stumbling block, not whether GoF is one movie or two.





From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 10:11:19 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:11:19 -0000
Subject: Goblet of Fire will be in two parts?
In-Reply-To: <bqm04l+s8nd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqn187+tkeq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Catherine" 
<ephilipbar at y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am trying to find out if Warner Brothers has definitively stated 
> that they are only making GOF into one two hour movie.  Muggle.net 
> has a posting of a recent interview by Jason Isaacs and he says 
they 
> have scripts but no way of knowing who will be left in a "two hour 
> movie."  Some weeks ago I went to a separate link for a petition 
to 
> Warner Brothers asking them to reconsider and make GOF into two 
> parts  (summer and winter release.  Any thoughts? Ideas?
> 
> Liz

If this quote from the November 2003 (#82) issue of "Total Film" 
magazine is correct, we're looking at one long movie.  Here's the 
quote:

"Oh, and for those still looking to the future:  FOUR WEDDINGS and 
DONNIE BRASCO megaphone-waver Mike Newell will bring GOBLET OF FIRE 
to us in 2005.  Expect one long film, as the studio has ditched the 
idea of splitting JK Rowling's fourth book into two movies...."

Oh, well, it was a lovely thought, anyway.  *Sigh*

Diana L.







From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 10:13:29 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:13:29 -0000
Subject: Movie Hints/'Vipera Evanesca' (Duelling Club)
In-Reply-To: <bqhf8v+352c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqn1c9+sdju@eGroups.com>

SnapesRaven wrote:
> Good morning!
> I just read the post and in my memory (everytime I recall it I 
> automatically remember the same word, so I'm quite sure about it) 
> Snape doesn't say 'Impera Evanesca' (like it was guessed in 
another 
> post), but 'Vipera Evanesca'. I looked 'vipera' up in my Latin 
> Dictionary and found out I recalled it correctly: 'vipera' means 
> serpent, viper. I know that in the duelling scene I found this 
spell 
> very fitting.   

Ooh, good ear!  As many times as I've watched that movie, I've never 
heard him say VIPERA.  It always sounded like "e perra" to me.  
Vipera does make a heck of a lot more sense!  

Diana L.




From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 10:48:43 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:48:43 -0000
Subject: Magazines w/Pics of Prisoner of Azkaban 
Message-ID: <bqn3eb+10942@eGroups.com>

After two trips to Barnes & Noble and Borders Books, I've managed to 
find several current magazines with articles and pictures on "Harry 
Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban".  

Here's a list for those looking for articles and pictures:

Movie Insider, Issue 3 (Texas Chainsaw Massacre on cover, bleah!)

Fantasy Worlds, No. 3 (a very cool shot of Aragorn from Lord of the 
Rings on the cover)

Xpose #81 [Harry Potter from A to Z] (Mercedes McNab, aka Harmony 
from Buffy The Vampire Slayer on the cover)

Total Film #82  (Kill Bill's Uma Thurman on the cover)

Happy hunting!

Diana




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 23:16:41 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 23:16:41 -0000
Subject: GoF in two parts? How long is Long?
In-Reply-To: <bqn187+tkeq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqof8p+c5p0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:

> Diane:
> 
> ... quote ... November 2003 (#82) ... "Total Film" magazine is 
> correct, we're looking at one long movie.  Here's the 
> quote:
> 
> "... Mike Newell will bring GOBLET OF FIRE to us in 2005. Expect one 
> long film, ...."
> 
> Oh, well, it was a lovely thought, anyway.  *Sigh*
> 
> Diana L.

bboy_mn:

Well, that is a step in the right direction, but the 'powers that be'
at Warner seem to think that 2.5hrs is a 'long' movie. Both
'Sorcerer's Stone' and 'Chamber of Sercets' would have gone from good
to great movies if they had been stretched to 3 full hours. 

This is especially true of CoS. If you look at the DVD extras, you
will see that many elements that would have explained the plot and
allowed some character developemnt were there, but had to be cut to
fit WB's assumption that the TV generation can't sit still and remain
attentive from more than a few minutes at a time.

Three hours will not do justice to Goblet of Fire. It will be
tolerable though, but just barely. Three and a half hours would be
closer to the potential for creating a good movie. But, if you are
going to go for 3.5 hrs, why not stretch it into an epic and make i 4
or 5 (two movies of 2.5hrs each)? Keep in mind that two movies means
double the amount of money from a single title. How does that old
saying go? ...two billion dollars are better than one.

However, as we all know, WB isn't in the business of making movies,
they are in the business of making money. A philosophy that promote a
give them as little as possible and get as much as we can attitude.

It would be so nice to see someone with some artistic vision, and a
total resolve to stick to that artistic vision, take over the reins of
 HP movie production.

Normally, I rush out and see the HP movies at the first available
matinee. But I think I will hold off on GoF until I get some feedback
about the quality of the movie. If it's not up to par, I think I'll be
able to wait for the video to come out.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn







From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Fri Dec  5 05:31:32 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:31:32 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF in two parts? How long is Long?
Message-ID: <148.1e02ced6.2d017234@aol.com>

You know how I measure how long is too long for a movie? If my 5 yr. old 
nephew can't sit through it without getting up more than once, it's too long. He 
sat through both HP movies without getting up once, so they were either good 
enough to keep his attention, or else they weren't too long. When he'll sit 
through those, but had to get up three times in "Finding Nemo," I think he could 
handle GOF being longer than the others!!


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 16:16:52 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:16:52 -0000
Subject: Real Magic on the Movie Set.
Message-ID: <bqqb1k+tufa@eGroups.com>

If you read the-Leaky-Cauldron.org then you already know this, but I
found it very interesting that the Prisoner of Azkaban is the first HP
movie to hire a real magician as a consultant for the movie.

See - Leaky Cauldron Dec 4, 2003
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/

"He has taught Magic to several members of the cast including Daniel
Radcliffe & Emma Watson ..., as well as holding the first ever on-set
Magic class!"

See also - Paul Kieve - World Famous Magician -
http://www.stageillusion.com/home.html#

That gives me a very good feeling about the movie. If Alfonso Cuaron
is sufficient concerned about the realism of the magic to hire one of
the best magicians in Europe, then he must be taking the creation of
this movie very seriously.

I am very much looking forward to Prisoner of Azkaban, I think Cuaron
will being a new and more positive artistic vision to the movies. 

But I confess that I am very worrried about Goblet of Fire. I really
don't think Warner Brothers has a very good handle on just how much
they can compromise these movies and get away with it. 

When it comes to the larger books, I think they need people with
serious uncompromising artistic vision in charge. Look at how
wonderfully the production of Lord of the Rings has been done.
Certainly, if someone like that was at the helm of the HP movies, we
would have movies of enduring historical precedence; movies that would
endure for all time, just as the LotR movies surely will.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn





From anneu53714 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  6 00:38:25 2003
From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 00:38:25 -0000
Subject: Real Magic on the Movie Set.
In-Reply-To: <bqqb1k+tufa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqr8e1+hu2c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> If you read the-Leaky-Cauldron.org then you already know this, but I
> found it very interesting that the Prisoner of Azkaban is the first 
HP
> movie to hire a real magician as a consultant for the movie.
> 
> See - Leaky Cauldron Dec 4, 2003
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/
> 
> "He has taught Magic to several members of the cast including Daniel
> Radcliffe & Emma Watson ..., as well as holding the first ever on-
set
> Magic class!"
> 
> See also - Paul Kieve - World Famous Magician -
> http://www.stageillusion.com/home.html#
> 
> That gives me a very good feeling about the movie. If Alfonso Cuaron
> is sufficient concerned about the realism of the magic to hire one 
of
> the best magicians in Europe, then he must be taking the creation of
> this movie very seriously.
> 
> I am very much looking forward to Prisoner of Azkaban, I think 
Cuaron
> will being a new and more positive artistic vision to the movies.

Well, this is the first post I've read in several weeks and now I'm 
wishing I'd stuck around :-) Actually I don't see how having a 
*magician* (as in someone who does stage magic) on the POA set has 
anything to do with magic as practiced in the HP books. To me stage 
magic bears the same relation to Wizarding World magic as riding a 
stick pony bears to riding a thoroughbred racehorse. (And for some 
reason I'm also reminded of the 1970s saying, "A woman without a man 
is like a fish without a bicycle.") WW/HP magic is about intention 
made real; stage magic is about illusions.  But, perhaps I'm alone in 
this opinion. 
 
> 
> But I confess that I am very worrried about Goblet of Fire. I really
> don't think Warner Brothers has a very good handle on just how much
> they can compromise these movies and get away with it. 
> 
> When it comes to the larger books, I think they need people with
> serious uncompromising artistic vision in charge. Look at how
> wonderfully the production of Lord of the Rings has been done.
> Certainly, if someone like that was at the helm of the HP movies, we
> would have movies of enduring historical precedence; movies that 
would
> endure for all time, just as the LotR movies surely will.
> 

Actually I bet Peter Jackson could do an extremely kick-arse version 
of GoF. Too bad he's got himself tied up making an IMO pointless 
remake of King Kong (why?? why???).

Anne U
(Apparating in after chasing Krumplehorned Snorkacks)





From clshannon at aol.com  Sat Dec  6 04:31:02 2003
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:31:02 EST
Subject: POA story on Access Hollywood
Message-ID: <1aa.1d8b7c2f.2d02b586@aol.com>

Anyone else see the story on Access Hollywood about POA? 
It was pretty nice. Mostly about how the kids have grown and also about 
Michael Gambon, the new Dumbledore.
They showed some filming - Ron on the bed in the shrieking shack saying some 
lines about Scabbers and a few other finished scenes that we didn't see in the 
trailer like the Knights Bus careening around a corner and Harry on the 
sidewalk, Aunt Marge floating up in the air, Harry and Hermoine bursting thru a big 
door, Dumbledore telling H&H 'good luck' in the hospital wing - probably the 
time turner scene, etc.
Very cool, seeing some different things ;-)
Also, they spoke to Dan and Rupert about how they've changed and that was 
cute. Rupert says his voice hadn't changed in the first film and he can't believe 
how tiny he was. Dan says that Rupert has grown the most.  They both looked 
great- Rupert still had on makeup from the shack scene, dirt and a cut on his 
face, I believe. Dan also had some 'cuts' on his cheek, so they must have been 
doing the scene in the shack. I know Harry gets hit by the whomping wllow 
branch at one point, so that's probably why he has the cuts.
Overall, a surprising nice story since we had been told it was a story on 
only Gambon and it was supposed to be on Access Hollywood a few days ago, but got 
bumped. I am glad they aired it today. I thought they would just forget about 
it and never air it. 
Cindy



From autophile at zoominternet.net  Sun Dec  7 01:48:16 2003
From: autophile at zoominternet.net (Rob)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:48:16 -0000
Subject: GoF in two parts? How long is Long?
In-Reply-To: <bqof8p+c5p0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqu0t0+dtvo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> However, as we all know, WB isn't in the business of making movies,
> they are in the business of making money. A philosophy that promote a
> give them as little as possible and get as much as we can attitude.
> 
[snip]
> 
> Normally, I rush out and see the HP movies at the first available
> matinee. 

You know, if you really want to stick it to the studios, wait a week
after a movie comes out to see it. During the first week, a studio can
get as much as 80% of the box office gross. The percentage rapidly
drops for every subsequent week, with the theater getting more and the
studio getting less.

--Rob






From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 14:35:15 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:35:15 -0000
Subject: GoF in two parts? How long is Long?
In-Reply-To: <bqof8p+c5p0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqvdr3+url3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> 
> Well, that is a step in the right direction, but the 'powers that be'
> at Warner seem to think that 2.5hrs is a 'long' movie. Both
> 'Sorcerer's Stone' and 'Chamber of Sercets' would have gone from good
> to great movies if they had been stretched to 3 full hours. 
> 
> This is especially true of CoS. If you look at the DVD extras, you
> will see that many elements that would have explained the plot and
> allowed some character developemnt were there, but had to be cut to
> fit WB's assumption that the TV generation can't sit still and remain
> attentive from more than a few minutes at a time.

I agree with your general sentiment, but I find it hard to blame the
studio for CoS decisions.
If you cut one minute of the stupid "flying car chases Hogwarts
express sequence", one minute of the spiders sequence and one minute
of the final basilisk battle, you have sufficient time for the
plot-advancing DVD extras and the same total running time.
Nope, can't blame studio for that. Now, maybe they forced Columbus's
hand in this kind of decisions as well, but we don't know.

Irene




From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 16:22:34 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:22:34 -0000
Subject: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <bqvdr3+url3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bqvk4a+9o0v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin"
<irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:

> > bboy_mn:
> > 
> > ... Both 'Sorcerer's Stone' and 'Chamber of Sercets' would have 
> > gone from good to great movies, if they had been stretched to 3 
> > full hours. 
> > 
> > This is especially true of CoS. If you look at the DVD extras, you
> > will see that many elements that would have explained the plot and
> > allowed some character developemnt were there, but had to be cut
> > to fit WB's assumption that the TV generation can't sit still and
> > remain attentive from more than a few minutes at a time.

> Irene replies:
> 
> ... I find it hard to blame the studio.... ... cut one minute of ...
> "flying car chases ...", one minute of the spiders sequence, and one
>  minute of ... basilisk battle, you have ... time for the 
> plot-advancing DVD extras and the same total running time. Nope, 
> can't blame studio for that. Now, maybe they forced Columbus's hand 
> in this kind of decisions as well, but we don't know.
> 
> Irene

bboy_mn:

Have you ever heard of the "Director's Cut" of a movie. That's a
re-edited where the director gets to override the studio and assemble
the movie the way HE thinks it should be cut. These are invariably
substantially longer than the studio's version. Any film buff would
very much prefer the Diretor's Cut over the studio's cut.

I suspect that the studio is responsible for the Hagrid Hug Fest
ending to GoF. My (unfounded, unprovable) guess is that the studio
said, 'you're out of time and money, give us the movie RIGHT NOW!' and
 the Director had no choice but to film the quick and dirty 'hug fest'.

Today, I watched the CoS movie again and wondered just how much time
the 'Additional Scenes' on the DVD added up to, so thanks to a strong
cup of coffee and way too much time on my hands, I decide to find out.

Armed with my trusty stopwatch, I timed all 19 additional scenes. This
was the result-

Extended Pudding Scene - 01:11.94 (Min:Sec.TensHundredsSec)
Train Station/Flying Car - 00:29.62
Harry/Malfoy Knockturn Shop - 03:23.37
Filch Office-KwikSpell - 00:29.97
Knockturn Shop Exit/Outside - 00:24.28
Extended Colin Intro - 00:25.81
Lockhart Class Quiz - 01:19.03
Justin Intro Dualing Club - 01:19.03
Twin's Seriously Evil Wizard Comment - 01:18.96
Hagrid with Rooster Hallway - 00:55.31
Harry/Hedwig Questions Self Heir of Slyth - 00:55.69
Studyhall Hufflepuff Comments - 00:51.69
Quidditch Bludger Chase  - 00:20.00
Meet Fly Car in Forest - 00:42.25
Ha/Ron Visit Her in Hospital, Ron remembers Riddle name - 01:51.34
Poly!Ha/Ron meet real Crabbe/Goyle - 00:19.78
Harry wakes Ron after Diary scene - 00:19.50
Harry/Ron arrive with Cr/Go Hair at MM!Bath - 00:31.40
Harry/Ron put on Cloak - 00:18.03

Total = 16:40.90

Given that much of what is contained here overlaps with or duplicates
what was actually seen in the movie, the actual runtime is
substantially less.

Combine that with trimming some of the extisting scenes that many
believe dragged on too long, we are looking at adding about 10 minutes
to the movie to develop characters, make scene transition, and develop
the plot. 

Do you really believe that the director, who is trying to make the
best movie possible, trimmed out those 10 minutes of his own accord? 

Do you really believe that most people would have had to struggle to
endure those extra 10 minutes?

While I can't prove it, I'm am absolutely convinced that Studio
decisions are keeping these movies from being the great movies they
could have been.

When I look at the quality and craftsmanship that went into the Lord
of the Rings movies, it's very easy to see the difference between a
movie that is controlled by the Director and a movie that is
controlled by the studio. When I see Lord of the Rings, I see what
Harry Potter *could* have been.

As an additional note, I thought many of the scenes that were on the
'extras' were better than the ones that made it into the movie. 

But then, that's just my opinion.

bboy_mn








From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 00:29:24 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:29:24 -0000
Subject: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <bqvk4a+9o0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <br0gl4+oroa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:

> bboy_mn:
> 
> Have you ever heard of the "Director's Cut" of a movie. That's a
> re-edited where the director gets to override the studio and assemble
> the movie the way HE thinks it should be cut. These are invariably
> substantially longer than the studio's version. Any film buff would
> very much prefer the Diretor's Cut over the studio's cut.

Yes, and it's very interesting that Columbus hasn't offered such a
version, isn't it?
Maybe he really believes that he did his best?

> 
> I suspect that the studio is responsible for the Hagrid Hug Fest
> ending to GoF. My (unfounded, unprovable) guess is that the studio
> said, 'you're out of time and money, give us the movie RIGHT NOW!' and
>  the Director had no choice but to film the quick and dirty 'hug fest'.

Or maybe that's the sort of thing the director likes. Given his
history, it's entirely possible.


> 
> Do you really believe that the director, who is trying to make the
> best movie possible, trimmed out those 10 minutes of his own accord?

No, but the question is - did this specific director understand what
would make it "the best movie possible"? Could it be that for him to
keep some cool CGI sequence was more important that advance the plot?
 
> 
> Do you really believe that most people would have had to struggle to
> endure those extra 10 minutes?

Of course not.

> 
> While I can't prove it, I'm am absolutely convinced that Studio
> decisions are keeping these movies from being the great movies they
> could have been.
> 
> When I look at the quality and craftsmanship that went into the Lord
> of the Rings movies, it's very easy to see the difference between a
> movie that is controlled by the Director and a movie that is
> controlled by the studio. When I see Lord of the Rings, I see what
> Harry Potter *could* have been.

Agreed. I just don't know which proportion of blame should go to the
evil studio, and which to the inept director.

> 
> As an additional note, I thought many of the scenes that were on the
> 'extras' were better than the ones that made it into the movie. 

Agreed again.

> 
> But then, that's just my opinion.
> 
> bboy_mn

Irene




From erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 01:49:32 2003
From: erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com (Phyllis)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:49:32 -0000
Subject: ADMIN:  Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists
Message-ID: <br0lbc+bbs1@eGroups.com>

We regret the need to interrupt with a post of this nature. 

For the past several months, we (the List Administration Team) have 
been handling the disruption of several of the HP lists by an 
individual or individuals, and it has gotten to a point which we feel 
to be harassment. In addition, a threat has been made offlist to at 
least one member of the current admin team, and we are concerned that 
harassment of list members may have extended to others beyond admin 
team members.  

Until now, we have been handling this within the admin team, and have 
done our best to avoid burdening the lists with this situation - we 
felt it was an administrative problem, and so should be dealt with 
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We were contacted via the owners address with a frank threat against 
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The action was not specified; however, one of our auxiliary HPFGU 
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This threat may be as innocuous as the formation of an alternate 
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As our experience with the auxiliary group showed, Yahoo does not 
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Sincerely, 

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From ephilipbar at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 03:40:30 2003
From: ephilipbar at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Catherine)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 03:40:30 -0000
Subject: Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
Message-ID: <br0rre+ei97@eGroups.com>

First I would like to thank all those who posted to my initial 
question about the GOF rumors and Warner Brothers 
decision/indecision over the length of the movie.

If it will only be one, albeit longer, movie, what of GOF text stays 
and what goes?  I think that the Quidditch World Cup could safely be 
cut and only "referred to" so that the three triwizard tasks and the 
Yule Ball could remain.  I of course cannot see any GOF movie 
working without the final scenes at Riddle's grave as well as the 
revelation of Barty Crouch/Evil!Moody at the end. This still seems 
in the 3+ hour range to me. What say the list members?
 Elizabeth





From redina at mindspring.com  Mon Dec  8 05:52:34 2003
From: redina at mindspring.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:52:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
In-Reply-To: <br0rre+ei97@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031207233602.01643e30@pop.mindspring.com>

At 12/08/2003 03:40 AM +0000, Elizabeth Catherine wrote:

>If it will only be one, albeit longer, movie, what of GOF text stays
>and what goes?

I agree the Quidditch World Cup can be 'nipped and tucked'.  Actually, it 
can be edited out completely.  Winky can be 'axed'.

 From the top...

The entire first chapter - gone.

Voice-over of Voldemort saying something with the camera on Harry in a 
restless sleep.  Harry wakes up with his scar hurting.  Harry sends a 
letter to Sirius.

Harry gets invited by the Weasleys to stay the summer.  Probably their 
barging into the Dursley's home is kept in for humour but kept brief.

World Quidditch Cup chapters axed.

While Harry is at the Weasleys, he hears about 'Mad Eye' Moody.  Then 
they're off to Hogwarts.

They get to Hogwarts soaked.  Tri-Wizard Tournament announced and its 
rules.  Weasley twins plotting to bypass it included.

The side storyline of SPEW and Hermione's efforts for house elves is axed.

A short scene involving blast-ended skrewts with Hagrid and Malfoy as the 
'amazing bouncing ferret' kept.

Moody's DADA class and the unforgivable curses are kept.  Impervious curse 
scene with Harry combined here.

Harry gets a letter that Sirius has returned.

Beauxbaton and Durmstrang students arriving.

Quick scene of Fred and George Weasley growing beards as a consequence.

Choosing of the champions by the Goblet.

The debate of the four champions, condensed, including Ron being upset.

Most of chapter 18 and 19 axed.  Reference to Rita Skeeter's article kept in.

Hagrid shows Harry the dragons.  Harry and Hermione try working on finding 
a spell.  Sirius warns Harry.  Harry tells Cedric about the dragons.  Moody 
gives Harry a hint.

Harry listens to the other champions, of course, waiting period edited to 
less than a couple minutes.  Then Harry tackling the dragon and getting the 
golden egg.  Bagman explaining the egg.

Yule ball axed.  Hagrid and Madam Maxime moments probably cut out too.

Most of chapter twenty-four axed.

Cedric hints about the egg.  Harry works on the egg in the Prefect's 
bathroom (no fooling around with the faucets).  Moaning Myrtle may help.

Harry exits bathroom, gets stuck in stairs, and Snape and Filch are drawn 
to the scene because of the ruckus from the egg.  Condensed here.  Moody 
makes hints at Snape of his Death Eater past.  After Snape and Filch leave, 
Moody helps Harry out of the stair and Harry says he saw Mr. Crouch on the 
map.  Moody asks to borrow the map.

Harry has help from Hermione and Ron to find spells for the second task and 
explains about his encounter with Moody.  Charms class scene axed.  Harry 
falls asleep in the library and Dobby wakes him up to give him the gillyweed.

Second task performed.  Rescue of Ron and Fleur's sister.  Krum pointing 
out the beetle in Hermione's hair.

Hermione reads another Skeeter article in Potions.  Snape catches her and 
reads it.  Harry stays behind to listen to Snape and Karkaroff.

Harry, Ron, and Hermione visit Sirius in the cave.

Harry finds out the third task is a maze.  Krum and Harry take a walk to 
the edges of the forest and discover Mr. Crouch.

Harry dozes off in Divination and dreams of Voldemort.  Wakes up yelling 
and then goes to Dumbledore's office to explain.  Pensieve axed.

Harry practices for the third task and Hermione figures out Rita Skeeter.

Condensed version of the champions in the maze.

Harry and Cedric are transported via the portkey.  Cedric is killed.  Harry 
is bound.

The spell to resurrect Voldemort is performed.  Death Eater's arrive and 
Voldemort and Harry duel.  Priori incantatem scene kept.

Harry escapes and returns to Hogwarts with Cedric's body via the portkey.

Moody takes Harry to the castle and explains his plans.  Harry is 
rescued.  Moody is revealed and more explanations occur, which have to take 
into account certain scenes may or may not have been kept in the movie.

Harry is taken to Dumbledore's office and more explanations on the priori 
incantatem.  Sirius probably there.

Another move to the hospital may or may not occur.  Ditto about McGonagall 
being the bearer of bad news may or may not be used.

Dumbledore and Fudge part ways.  Dumbledore sets in motion the regrouping 
of the Order of the Phoenix.

Dumbledore's speech at the leaving feast.

Harry, Ron, and Hermione on the train back.  Hermione shows Harry the 
'beetle' as known as Rita Skeeter.

I'm estimating the problem with Bagman paying off the Weasley twins is 
woven in there and Harry giving his winning to the twins.

The confrontation on the train with Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle may be axed.

Hm, probably what I've said needs to be edited down but I just started 
thinking about this for a total of ten minutes. {g}

I know the Rita Skeeter storyline can be edited out.

Dina


--
Stuck in the Bowels of Reality: a Bunniqula blog on Oz, LOTR/RPS, HP fanfic
and all the other BS in between... http://archive.nu/bunniblog/





From redina at mindspring.com  Mon Dec  8 06:03:47 2003
From: redina at mindspring.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:03:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031208010137.016438d0@pop.mindspring.com>

At 12/08/2003 03:40 AM +0000, I wrote:

>I know the Rita Skeeter storyline can be edited out.

Err, maybe not.  Depends on how OotP is handled.

I'd just rather wait to see what they come up with.

Dina


--
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and all the other BS in between... http://archive.nu/bunniblog/





From autophile at zoominternet.net  Mon Dec  8 22:08:19 2003
From: autophile at zoominternet.net (Rob)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:08:19 -0000
Subject: Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20031207233602.01643e30@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <br2soj+vtqv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <redina at m...> wrote:

> Dumbledore's speech at the leaving feast.

Greatly shortened.

> Harry, Ron, and Hermione on the train back.  Hermione shows Harry the 
> 'beetle' as known as Rita Skeeter.

Probably axed as well. The first two movies didn't show HRH on the
train back. The first movie showed Harry getting on the train, but in
the second movie, he didn't even make it out of the Great Hall!

I'd bet that for PoA and GoF, we continue to see Hagrid in the last scene.

--Rob





From redina at mindspring.com  Tue Dec  9 00:19:29 2003
From: redina at mindspring.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:19:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
In-Reply-To: <br2soj+vtqv@eGroups.com>
References: <4.2.2.20031207233602.01643e30@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031208191252.04323140@pop.mindspring.com>

At 12/08/2003 10:08 PM +0000, Rob wrote:
>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <redina at m...> wrote:
>
> > Dumbledore's speech at the leaving feast.
>
>Greatly shortened.

Hm, I suspect it may be axed.

However...


> > Harry, Ron, and Hermione on the train back.  Hermione shows Harry the
> > 'beetle' as known as Rita Skeeter.
>
>Probably axed as well. The first two movies didn't show HRH on the
>train back. The first movie showed Harry getting on the train, but in
>the second movie, he didn't even make it out of the Great Hall!

They may or may not make it the train scene but Hermione being able to 
'blackmail' Rita Skeeter does have impact on OotP.  If it wasn't for that, 
I'd say the entire Rita Skeeter conflict could be axed.

I'd estimate the process of narrowing down involves making sure what 
remains is logical and does not hamper the next movie.  Warner Bros is 
looking for the 'cha-ching' and the HP movies are most likely a profit earner.

Dina





From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Dec  9 14:10:33 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (IggyMcSnurd)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:10:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Feedback] Re: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists
In-Reply-To: <1070925629.208BE724@s29.dngr.org>
Message-ID: <000001c3be5e$3a99b120$99ee79a5@Einstein>

Iggy here:

Sorry for those who read this a few times because I'm posting it to all
the lists in this family of groups, but I feel that it's important
enough that I want to make sure everyone gets this letter...

I would like to point something out, folks.  

People are wondering what someone could possibly use against these
groups to have them eliminated... and it was also mentioned that
incidents such as sex with minors has been used against groups, even if
it's implied.

We need to eliminate (at least for the time being) the topic about the
sexual temptations of Harry Potter (a minor) and especially eliminate
topic titles such as "In Bed With Harry Potter."  Since we know that
Yahoo has a history of not investigating claims against groups, even the
titles have the potential to get the groups deleted if Yahoo chooses to
take them as a violation of their terms.

This is not stating that we need censorship... not by a long shot.  But
if someone is threatening the groups, common sense dictates that we try
to hold off on any topics/theories/language that can be potentially used
against the group... and the above named threads are prime examples of
ones we need to avoid for now...

Hoping everyone understands where I'm coming from here...

Iggy McSnurd







From helen at odegard.com  Tue Dec  9 18:07:10 2003
From: helen at odegard.com (Helen R. Granberry)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:07:10 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] RE: [HPFGU-Feedback] Re: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists
In-Reply-To: <000001c3be5e$3a99b120$99ee79a5@Einstein>
Message-ID: <000001c3be7f$44726ea0$6401a8c0@helenw1>




Iggy here:

<snip>
People are wondering what someone could possibly use against these
groups to have them eliminated... and it was also mentioned that
incidents such as sex with minors has been used against groups, even if
it's implied.

We need to eliminate (at least for the time being) the topic about the
sexual temptations of Harry Potter (a minor) and especially eliminate
topic titles such as "In Bed With Harry Potter."? Since we know that
Yahoo has a history of not investigating claims against groups, even the
titles have the potential to get the groups deleted if Yahoo chooses to
take them as a violation of their terms.

<snip>
Iggy McSnurd



Helen here:

If I may be so bold... I don't post very often to HP4GU because I
really, strongly dislike the mailing list format for this type of
discussion. Threads are difficult to follow and to filter (what you want
to read vs. what you don't).  I only stay subscribed because it is one
of the very few places I can find intelligent, mature Harry Potter canon
discussion. Bottom line: I think mailing lists are inferior for threaded
discussion, but I love HP4GU and would sorely miss it.

I have a suggestion to make... if Yahoo is really THAT arbitrary in how
it ToSses its groups, why not move the list? Or set up a vBulletin
Board? At the very least move the list some place where it isn't at the
whim and mercy of trolls and administrators who don't care (Yahoo
admins, not list admins)?  

I am on a few mailing lists for fanfiction of a *cough* adult nature,
and those lists seem to exist just fine. If HP4GU is in danger for the
word SEX in a thread title, Yahoo really is completely arbitrary. 


Helen




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Tue Dec  9 19:14:34 2003
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:14:34 EST
Subject: Which Owl book
Message-ID: <1d1.15c92bce.2d07791a@aol.com>

On Sunday, I watched "Chamber of Secrets."  This time I was really watching 
as opposed to listening while I did something else. 

In the opening of the scene where Ron arrives with the flying car, Harry 
reaches over to get his glasses. The glasses are sitting on a book named "Which 
Owl." 

I know "Which Broomstick" but I've never heard of "Which Owl." Have I missed 
something?

I did a search in the HPFGU-movie archive messages but didn't find anything.

---Mary


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From ephilipbar at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 23:18:20 2003
From: ephilipbar at yahoo.com (Elizabeth Catherine)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:18:20 -0000
Subject: Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20031208191252.04323140@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <br5l7s+tql2@eGroups.com>

In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <redina at m...> wrote and 
I snipped a bit:
The first two movies didn't show HRH on the train back. The first 
movie showed Harry getting on the train, but in the second movie, he 
didn't even make it out of the Great Hall! They may or may not make 
it the train scene but Hermione being able to 'blackmail' Rita 
Skeeter does have impact on OotP.  If it wasn't for that, I'd say 
the entire Rita Skeeter conflict could be axed.

Now me:
Wow Dina, your original post gave me a lot to think about!  I agree 
that perhaps the whole Rita Skeeter sub plot could be axed.  She 
could be left as a "referred to "character, for ex: "can you believe 
what the Skeeter woman is writing; how does she know all that?" In 
OotP, Hermione, desperate for a way to help get Harry's side out, 
stumbles upon the whole Rita/Beetle secret animagus info and 
contacts her with the blackmail.  The fact that Rita 
is "downtrodden" in OotP could be altered to suit the movie 
storyline.  
I still maintain that in order to keep the movies as authentic to 
the books, something that I believe JK wants and why she retains 
control, is for Warner Brothers to make a longer movie out of both 
books 4 and 5 than perhaps they realize at this stage.  We will see 
how PoA survives the editing process.
Liz





From autumn_sprite at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  9 23:42:34 2003
From: autumn_sprite at yahoo.com (Marianne)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:42:34 -0000
Subject: Brave Newell World (was Re: Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20031207233602.01643e30@pop.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <br5mla+kbha@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Dina Lerret <redina at m...> wrote:
> Hagrid shows Harry the dragons.  Harry and Hermione try working on 
finding 
> a spell.  Sirius warns Harry.  Harry tells Cedric about the 
dragons.  Moody 
> gives Harry a hint.
> 
> Harry listens to the other champions, of course, waiting period 
edited to 
> less than a couple minutes.  Then Harry tackling the dragon and 
getting the 
> golden egg.  Bagman explaining the egg.

>From Sci-Fi Wire via Empire Online:
"I am currently working with dragons," says Newell knowingly.
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?story=5222

Marianne







From redina at mindspring.com  Tue Dec  9 20:46:38 2003
From: redina at mindspring.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:46:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family
  of Lists
In-Reply-To: <000001c3be7f$44726ea0$6401a8c0@helenw1>
References: <000001c3be5e$3a99b120$99ee79a5@Einstein>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20031209152614.03f0aee0@pop.mindspring.com>

At 12/09/2003 10:07 AM -0800, Helen R. Granberry wrote:

>If I may be so bold... I don't post very often to HP4GU because I
>really, strongly dislike the mailing list format for this type of
>discussion.

I disagree with this comment.  Personally, I *loathe* bulletin board 
formats.  I realize there's a large Harry Potter forum at Fiction Alley 
Park but I avoid it whenever possible.  I'm very thankfully the HPFGU 
groups do offer a mailing list option.  For awhile, I was quite abhorred to 
realize there weren't any informative and mature discussion lists for the 
books/movies until I found the HPFGU groups.


>Threads are difficult to follow and to filter (what you want
>to read vs. what you don't).  I only stay subscribed because it is one

I prefer being able to download messages (get it done and over with - none 
of this 'browsing' online bit), have the email software sort messages by 
date, subject, sender, or if I've read it.  Then decide if a message is 
something I'd like to save or delete.  If I'm not interested in a thread, I 
can delete the incoming messages under a thread.  However, I can change my 
mind about a thread if I notice a certain sender--that has intrigued me in 
the past with their comments--start to post in the middle of the 
conversation.  If a thread is really bothering me, then I can set email 
filters for it to be sent to the trash automatically.

I believe you're using Outlook, which should have some sort of filtering 
capabilities.

At least, the format isn't LiveJournal.  God, that is the *worst* format 
known to humankind for keeping up with discussions.

To each their own preferences.

Dina





From Zephyrjaid at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 04:34:43 2003
From: Zephyrjaid at aol.com (zephyrjaid7)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:34:43 -0000
Subject: Which Owl book
In-Reply-To: <1d1.15c92bce.2d07791a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <br67p3+mnmi@eGroups.com>

You haven't missed anything. The book isn't canon - BUT, you should 
note that it's written by Miranda Goshawk, who wrote "The Standard 
Book of Spells."


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
> On Sunday, I watched "Chamber of Secrets."  This time I was really 
watching 
> as opposed to listening while I did something else. 
> 
> In the opening of the scene where Ron arrives with the flying car, 
Harry 
> reaches over to get his glasses. The glasses are sitting on a book 
named "Which 
> Owl." 
> 
> I know "Which Broomstick" but I've never heard of "Which Owl." Have 
I missed 
> something?
> 
> I did a search in the HPFGU-movie archive messages but didn't find 
anything.
> 
> ---Mary

 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From tripchick at rogers.com  Wed Dec 10 23:50:36 2003
From: tripchick at rogers.com (TripChick)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:50:36 -0500
Subject: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists 
In-Reply-To: <1071078763.3252.51030.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <A6E50282-2B6B-11D8-B2E8-000393A74E0E@rogers.com>


On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 12:52  PM, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Message: 5
>    Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:46:38 -0500
>    From: Dina Lerret <redina at mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists
>
> At 12/09/2003 10:07 AM -0800, Helen R. Granberry wrote:
>
>> If I may be so bold... I don't post very often to HP4GU because I
>> really, strongly dislike the mailing list format for this type of
>> discussion.
>
> I disagree with this comment.  Personally, I *loathe* bulletin board
> formats.  I realize there's a large Harry Potter forum at Fiction Alley
> Park but I avoid it whenever possible.  I'm very thankfully the HPFGU
> groups do offer a mailing list option.  For awhile, I was quite 
> abhorred to
> realize there weren't any informative and mature discussion lists for 
> the
> books/movies until I found the HPFGU groups.

I so agree with you. I cannot STAND bulletin board formats myself 
because I find it so much easier to read in my mail reader than having 
to sift through tons of crap on a bb, and worse, using the web browser 
to do it. I find it easier to delete stuff I'm not interested in this 
way myself.

:-)




From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 08:31:56 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:31:56 -0000
Subject: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <bqvk4a+9o0v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <br9a1s+1odi@eGroups.com>

Steve wrote (bboy_mn):
> was the result-
> 
> Extended Pudding Scene - 01:11.94 (Min:Sec.TensHundredsSec)
> Train Station/Flying Car - 00:29.62
> Harry/Malfoy Knockturn Shop - 03:23.37
> Filch Office-KwikSpell - 00:29.97
> Knockturn Shop Exit/Outside - 00:24.28
> Extended Colin Intro - 00:25.81
> Lockhart Class Quiz - 01:19.03
> Justin Intro Dualing Club - 01:19.03
> Twin's Seriously Evil Wizard Comment - 01:18.96
> Hagrid with Rooster Hallway - 00:55.31
> Harry/Hedwig Questions Self Heir of Slyth - 00:55.69
> Studyhall Hufflepuff Comments - 00:51.69
> Quidditch Bludger Chase  - 00:20.00
> Meet Fly Car in Forest - 00:42.25
> Ha/Ron Visit Her in Hospital, Ron remembers Riddle name - 01:51.34
> Poly!Ha/Ron meet real Crabbe/Goyle - 00:19.78
> Harry wakes Ron after Diary scene - 00:19.50
> Harry/Ron arrive with Cr/Go Hair at MM!Bath - 00:31.40
> Harry/Ron put on Cloak - 00:18.03
> 
> Total = 16:40.90
> 
> Given that much of what is contained here overlaps with or 
duplicates
> what was actually seen in the movie, the actual runtime is
> substantially less.
> 
> Combine that with trimming some of the extisting scenes that many
> believe dragged on too long, we are looking at adding about 10 
minutes
> to the movie to develop characters, make scene transition, and 
develop
> the plot. 
> 
<snip>
> As an additional note, I thought many of the scenes that were on 
the
> 'extras' were better than the ones that made it into the movie. 
> 
> But then, that's just my opinion.

Diana L.:  
I agree with your opinion wholeheartedly.  Several of the scenes 
needed to be in the movie.  The longer versions are always (there 
may be exceptions out there, though) the better movies.  The Lord of 
the Rings movies are the most current examples I can think of at the 
moment - and their additions are a whopping 30 to 45 minutes per 
movie!  
My guess as to why the cuts were made are attributable to the 
agreement/contract between the director and the studio.  Usually a 
director is required to deliver a movie a specific length (i.e. 
between 2 hrs 28 min and 2 hrs 32 min).  The studio will 
occasionally like a movie and/or the director enough to extend the 
agreed-upon running time of the movie.  In this instance, the studio 
probably did lots of opinion polls and test screenings, which made 
them decide that this "kids movie" needed to be no longer than 2 hrs 
30 min or whatever, period.  
What I find more interesting about the scenes that were cut were how 
many of those scenes closely mirrored scenes in the book.  Granted, 
other nearly-verbatim or close-enough book scenes were left in (even 
if they were very short), but many of the scenes cut were very 
memorable scenes from the book (Fred and George calling 
out 'seriously evil wizard coming through'; Ernie MacMillan's 
comments in the library; Harry's near run-in with the Malfoys in 
Knockturn Alley).
If I was cynical, I could conclude that the filmmakers figured their 
movie audience had already read the books and could just fill in the 
details (the cut & extended scenes) themselves.
If you view CoS as an separate story, independent from the books, 
the viewer is left with large gaping holes including:

*Since the moviegoers never see an owl deliver a 'no magic' 
admonishment to Harry about the exploding pudding, why aren't the 
Dursley's afraid of Harry turning them into toadstools for locking 
him in his room?  In fact, why wouldn't they think he can get out of 
his room with magic?  
*Ron doesn't answer Harry's question at the Burrow about what 
Arthur's raids were all about; Ron just said his dad works at the 
MOM in the Misuse of Muggle Artifacts office.
*Why does Harry ask Riddle's diary about the Chamber of Secrets?  
What would make him think the diary is from the time the chamber was 
last opened? 
*Why did the basilisk attack Mrs Norris, Colin and Justin?  We know 
Hermione is muggle-born, but we know nothing about Filch being a 
squib or Colin and Justin being muggle-born.  Because without Harry 
finding out about Filch being a squib and Justin and Colin being 
muggle-born, there is very flimsy reasoning behind the rest of 
Hogwarts suspecting Harry is the heir of Slytherin and attacking 
them. 
*Why is Hagrid carrying a dead rooster around inside Hogwarts? 

And these are examples I came up with without going through the book 
or movie thoroughly.  I'm sure there are more examples.  Several of 
the cut scenes would have answered these questions for the 
moviegoer.  Readers of the books knew the answers, but anyone who 
hadn't would be going 'huh'?
I must admit I am now completely spoiled by LOTR and wish all movies 
were released twice, one with the theatrical version and one with 
all the cut and deleted scenes completely re-integrated into the 
movie.  If I had enough savvy with DVDs, I'd love to make my own DVD 
version of CoS, complete with cut scenes put back in (or replacing 
other scenes) where they belonged.  

Diana L.
 




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 17:31:26 2003
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:31:26 EST
Subject: Which Owl
Message-ID: <129.37228b04.2d0a03ee@aol.com>

"zephyrjaid7" <Zephyrjaid at aol.com> wrote

>> You haven't missed anything. The book isn't canon - BUT, you should > 
> note that it's written by Miranda Goshawk, who wrote "The Standard Book of 
> Spells." <<
> 
Thanks, I did see part of the author's name but didn't catch all of it. 

I love DVDs! You can zoom in and pan around and really get a good look at 
everything. Now, if I just had a way to print pictures from the DVDs...

---Mary


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From dean7712000 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 13:40:22 2003
From: dean7712000 at yahoo.com (Dean)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:22 -0000
Subject: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <br9a1s+1odi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brcgg6+r42r@eGroups.com>

Lets face it everyone no matter how good any of the future harry 
potter books are we need to face up to the fact that they will not 
live up to the books and we will be disapointed. The one thing that 
im hopeing for in an extended relese dvd. I did not even bother to 
watch the first two harry potter at the cinema but ive seen them both 
at least a dozen times each on dvd. No matter how bad harry potter 
films might be they are still harry potter films and i would watch 
harry ron and herminie play exploding snap for hours if someone 
bothered to release it.

I have to dissagee about most of the extra scences on the dvd. While 
some were very good especialy the ones concerning harry been blamed 
for opening the chamber of secrets most i found a little dull. I dont 
think they could be added back into the film and i dont think they 
were ever intended to be in the film. I think they were only shot so 
the DVD could claim to have extra features.

I think ive ranted enought if you actualy read my rant please reply 
id like to know what u all think

Dean   




From easytoread at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 15:09:06 2003
From: easytoread at hotmail.com (cinderz81)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:09:06 -0000
Subject: Which Owl book
In-Reply-To: <br67p3+mnmi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brclmi+9kbl@eGroups.com>

Perhaps I have a different version. I don't see an author's name at 
all.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zephyrjaid7" 
<Zephyrjaid at a...wrote:
>You haven't missed anything. The book isn't canon - BUT, you should 
note that it's written by Miranda Goshawk, who wrote "The Standard 
Book of Spells."


>>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:
>>On Sunday, I watched "Chamber of Secrets."  This time I was really 
watching as opposed to listening while I did something else. 

>>In the opening of the scene where Ron arrives with the flying car, 
Harry reaches over to get his glasses. The glasses are sitting on a 
book named "Which Owl." 

>>I know "Which Broomstick" but I've never heard of "Which Owl." Have 
I missed something?

>>I did a search in the HPFGU-movie archive messages but didn't find 
anything.

>>---Mary





From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 12 16:43:16 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:43:16 -0000
Subject: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <brcgg6+r42r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brcr74+lv6i@eGroups.com>

I don't understand what everyone's (OK, most everyone's) complaint is 
that the films are not like the books.  Well, duh.  They're films, 
they're supposed to be different.  The books are filled with a lot of 
little nuaunces that let's the reader's imagination run wild... after 
all, when you read you are "seeing" the action played out in your 
head.  Films are a visual medium, where you have to see everything.  
Let's face it.  If you made the books... any book for that matter... 
into a film and filmed every scene from the book exactly as it was 
written it'd be a very boring film overall.  Sure there'd be great 
bits, but for the most part it would drag on focusing on every little 
detail as it pops up in the book.  As a screenwriter myself, I've 
adapted novels into films.  There's a lot you naturally cut because 
it doesn't move the plot forward, or is repeated elsewhere.  The 
average viewer does not want to be hit over the head with the same 
information over and over again.  You can get away with that in 
books, but you cannot in films.  I think Steve Klovus has done a 
wonderful job editing down the books into a visual medium.  Sure, COS 
was full of holes in the plot... but that can't be blamed on him as 
he wrote the scenes, and they were later edited out.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dean" <dean7712000 at y...> wrote:
> Lets face it everyone no matter how good any of the future harry 
> potter books are we need to face up to the fact that they will not 
> live up to the books and we will be disapointed. The one thing that 
> im hopeing for in an extended relese dvd. I did not even bother to 
> watch the first two harry potter at the cinema but ive seen them 
both 
> at least a dozen times each on dvd. No matter how bad harry potter 
> films might be they are still harry potter films and i would watch 
> harry ron and herminie play exploding snap for hours if someone 
> bothered to release it.
> 
> I have to dissagee about most of the extra scences on the dvd. 
While 
> some were very good especialy the ones concerning harry been blamed 
> for opening the chamber of secrets most i found a little dull. I 
dont 
> think they could be added back into the film and i dont think they 
> were ever intended to be in the film. I think they were only shot 
so 
> the DVD could claim to have extra features.
> 
> I think ive ranted enought if you actualy read my rant please reply 
> id like to know what u all think
> 
> Dean




From angry_wangry at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec 12 17:00:39 2003
From: angry_wangry at yahoo.co.uk (angry_wangry)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:00:39 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Feedback] Re: ADMIN: Possible Threat to the HPFGU Family of Lists
In-Reply-To: <000001c3be7f$44726ea0$6401a8c0@helenw1>
Message-ID: <brcs7n+a508@eGroups.com>

<de-lurk>

Helen wrote: 

"If I may be so bold... I don't post very often to HP4GU because I
really, strongly dislike the mailing list format for this type of
discussion. Threads are difficult to follow and to filter (what you 
want
to read vs. what you don't). I only stay subscribed because it is one
of the very few places I can find intelligent, mature Harry Potter 
canon
discussion. Bottom line: I think mailing lists are inferior for 
threaded
discussion, but I love HP4GU and would sorely miss it.

I have a suggestion to make... if Yahoo is really THAT arbitrary in 
how
it ToSses its groups, why not move the list? Or set up a vBulletin
Board? At the very least move the list some place where it isn't at 
the
whim and mercy of trolls and administrators who don't care (Yahoo
admins, not list admins)?

I am on a few mailing lists for fanfiction of a *cough* adult nature,
and those lists seem to exist just fine. If HP4GU is in danger for 
the
word SEX in a thread title, Yahoo really is completely arbitrary."

I agree completely, a message board type arrangement would make it 
so much easier to follow ideas. Perhaps, though, it's because I am 
reading the messages on the Yahoo group master site, where they are 
posted in chronological order, so sometimes it can be VERY hard to 
follow ideas (particularly when the thread name changes). Also, if 
you come in halfway through a discussion, it can be hard to find out 
where that particular idea began.

(I'm having trouble setting up Outlook - what to put in the POP3, 
HTTP or IMAP server box, and the outgoing mail/STMP box? Sorry it's 
OT, but if anyone can help/advise, my e-mail is 
angry_wangry at yahoo.co.uk. Many thanks.)

Back on topic, I'm assuming if HPFGU had to leave Yahoo and assumed 
a message board format, due to the enormous volume of mail/posts 
involved the expenses on, say, an ezboard site would be quite large. 
At least, for the moment, Yahoo groups are free. 

Not that I'll stop reading any time soon, whatever happens. :D

</de-lurk>

Mad





From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 14 10:50:56 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:50:56 -0000
Subject: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <brcr74+lv6i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brhfag+fns0@eGroups.com>

Diana L. wrote:
   I agree with your opinion wholeheartedly. Several of the scenes
needed to be in the movie. The longer versions are always (there
may be exceptions out there, though) the better movies. The Lord of
the Rings movies are the most current examples I can think of at the
moment - and their additions are a whopping 30 to 45 minutes per
movie!
<snip>

Dean replied:
> > Lets face it everyone no matter how good any of the future harry 
> > potter books are we need to face up to the fact that they will 
not live up to the books and we will be disapointed. The one thing 
that im hopeing for in an extended relese dvd. I did not even bother 
to watch the first two harry potter at the cinema but ive seen them 
> both at least a dozen times each on dvd. No matter how bad harry 
potter films might be they are still harry potter films and i would 
watch <snipping a good post>


 
Time also replied:
 >I don't understand what everyone's (OK, most everyone's) complaint 
is that the films are not like the books.  Well, duh.  They're 
films, they're supposed to be different.  The books are filled with 
a lot of little nuaunces that let's the reader's imagination run 
wild... after all, when you read you are "seeing" the action played 
out in your 
> head.  Films are a visual medium, where you have to see 
everything.  <snipping a good post>

Diana L. again:
  The films we did get are definitely better than no films at all, 
and like both of you I have watched them dozens of times and enoyed 
them tremendously, as have both my children and my husband.  
However, the editor and the director of the film cut out scenes with 
information that needed to be in the movie for the movie to make 
sense by itself without any help from the books.  As a Harry Potter 
fan(atic} I could easily fill in the gaps, but take that info away 
and the plot holes were gaping.  Like many others, I enjoy the Harry 
Potter movies because they are *Harry Potter* movies, but I also 
like playing armchair quarterback, like others on HP4GU, and wonder 
at how a movie so dependent on the written source to make sense got 
made.  No matter how much I enjoy the movies, I know the books are 
better because they have all the time in the world to put in every 
little scene that JKR wants to (and that all of us would love to see 
acted out on screen.)  That was what my post was about.  Plus, it's 
kind of fun to gripe to a list full of people who 'feel my pain'.  
<bg>

Diana L.  (extremely spoiled by LOTR and now wants all movies with 
lush extra scenes put back in the DVD realease!)


 




From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Sun Dec 14 12:22:29 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 07:22:29 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies,...
Message-ID: <170.27a274b8.2d0db005@aol.com>

I totally agree with all of you on the cuts. I know I've watched the extra 
scenes & thought "Why didn't those get left in? It would have explained so much 
more!" No one else in my family has read the books, and so they don't get 
what's missing, but when they've seen the extra scenes, they understand it better. 
I realize that there will never be a perfect version of the movies, as long 
as the studios have their way, but they have been satisfying to me (except for 
the ending of COS!), and I've enjoyed them immensely. I'm looking forward to 
what a fresh eye can cast on this version & just found out that I'm going to 
miss opening day!! Our family vacation is until the 7th of June, and we'll be on 
the first cruise we've ever taken. Oh well, the theaters will be less crowded 
!! :)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From navarro198 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 04:21:51 2003
From: navarro198 at hotmail.com (scoutmom21113)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:21:51 -0000
Subject: Well then, what to keep in GOF movie?
In-Reply-To: <br5l7s+tql2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brjcsv+u5gt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Catherine" 
<ephilipbar at y...> wrote:
> Wow Dina, your original post gave me a lot to think about!  I 
agree 
> that perhaps the whole Rita Skeeter sub plot could be axed.  She 
> could be left as a "referred to "character, for ex: "can you 
believe 
> what the Skeeter woman is writing; how does she know all that?" In 
> OotP, Hermione, desperate for a way to help get Harry's side out, 
> stumbles upon the whole Rita/Beetle secret animagus info and 
> contacts her with the blackmail.  The fact that Rita 
> is "downtrodden" in OotP could be altered to suit the movie 
> storyline.  

Bookworm:
That would just add time to the OoP movie script as someone would 
have to "explain" Rita's background.

Liz: 
> I still maintain that in order to keep the movies as authentic to 
> the books, something that I believe JK wants and why she retains 
> control, is for Warner Brothers to make a longer movie out of both 
> books 4 and 5 than perhaps they realize at this stage.  We will 
see how PoA survives the editing process.

Bookworm:
IMHO, people are making too much of an issue about the length of 
movies 4 and 5.  A quick check of the imdb.com shows the following 
movie lenths (for comparison):

HP-SS: 152 minutes
HP-CS: 161 minutes

LOTR-FR: 178 minutes
LOTR-TT: 179 minutes
LOTR-RK: 201 minutes

I haven't heard anyone complain about the length of the LOTR movies, 
and nothing but raves from the few who have seen the sneak preview 
of the new one.  The studio has to know by now that kids will sit 
through these movies; if they don't they aren't very consumber-
savvy. And while the directors all have different styles, they all 
seem to care about doing justice to the books.

Just a couple of other comparisons:
Titanic [remember that one ;-)] - 194 minutes. Only 35 minutes 
longer than HP-CS, and only about 15 minutes longer than the first 
two LOTR movies.  (And the only time Titanic seemed long to me was 
when the soda I had just consumed started calling to me about the 
time the ocean was washing over the deck of the ship!)

And the classic Gone With the Wind? 238 minutes (US release)

Movies 4 and 5 will be long, no question.  Just as with the others, 
some things that are in the books will need to be cut.  At this 
point, only JKR knows what is absolutely necessary to keep in so 
that all of the clues are presented before the last episode. From 
the interviews I've heard/seen, she is working with the scriptwriter 
and the directors to make sure those things aren't cut out. 

So whether or not you think the the Warner execs are evil, money-
grabbing fools, everyone else involved seems to care about making 
good movies.  Let's let them do their work before we panic about the 
quality.

Ravenclaw Bookworm <now going back to lurkdom>







From feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com  Wed Dec 17 19:28:48 2003
From: feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com (feliciarickmann at dsl.pipex.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:28:48 -0000
Subject: Movie plot holes & why the cuts? Was: Gof: Good Movies, Time, and Coffee
In-Reply-To: <brcr74+lv6i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <brqapg+is8o@eGroups.com>

An excellently reasoned response really that cannot really be 
countered without the response seeming like a whinge.

We all have our own visions of the books, and they are precious to 
us, but we must keep an open mind - which is different to complaints 
about departures from canon (which, if done without reason are 
annoying to many)

I am looking forward to Cuaran's view of Harry Potter, he will 
perhaps be less reverential than Columbus was, and his interpretation 
will challenge us all.

Felicia




From manda at qx.net  Thu Dec 18 18:35:15 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:35:15 -0800
Subject: PoA to go IMAX!
Message-ID: <3FE182E3.28958.53B18A@localhost>

IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third installment of the Harry Potter film series, will be 
released to IMAX theatres in addition to conventional theatres in June 2004. This family event film, based on the third book of the world renowned and best-selling series, will 
be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience through proprietary IMAX DMR(TM) (Digital Re-mastering) technology.

http://comingsoon.net/news/harrypotter3news.php?id=2762


Nifty!!

Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Thu Dec 18 16:00:04 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (katherine.coble at crgibson.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:00:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA to go IMAX!
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E4891@teserver01.treat.net>

I can't tell from the press release...
Is this going to be a full-screen IMAX movie or one of those where they
enlarge the movie by 37% using special lenses and run it letterboxed on the
IMAX screen?

> ----------
> From: 	Amanda Pressnell
> Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:35 PM
> To: 	hPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 	[HPFGU-Movie] PoA to go IMAX!
> 
> IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that Harry
> Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third installment of the Harry
> Potter film series, will be 
> released to IMAX theatres in addition to conventional theatres in June
> 2004. This family event film, based on the third book of the world
> renowned and best-selling series, will 
> be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound quality of
> The IMAX Experience through proprietary IMAX DMR(TM) (Digital
> Re-mastering) technology.
> 
> http://comingsoon.net/news/harrypotter3news.php?id=2762
> 
> 
> Nifty!!
> 
> Manda
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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 18 18:04:12 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:04:12 -0000
Subject: PoA to go IMAX!
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E4891@teserver01.treat.net>
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I don't see POA as IMAX material.  GOF, otoh, is a definite IMAX 
contender.

Marci

katherine.coble at c... wrote:
> I can't tell from the press release...
> Is this going to be a full-screen IMAX movie or one of those where 
they
> enlarge the movie by 37% using special lenses and run it 
letterboxed on the
> IMAX screen?
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Amanda Pressnell
> > Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 	Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:35 PM
> > To: 	hPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: 	[HPFGU-Movie] PoA to go IMAX!
> > 
> > IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that 
Harry
> > Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third installment of the 
Harry
> > Potter film series, will be 
> > released to IMAX theatres in addition to conventional theatres in 
June
> > 2004. This family event film, based on the third book of the world
> > renowned and best-selling series, will 
> > be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound 
quality of
> > The IMAX Experience through proprietary IMAX DMR(TM) (Digital
> > Re-mastering) technology.
> > 
> > http://comingsoon.net/news/harrypotter3news.php?id=2762
> > 
> > 
> > Nifty!!
> > 
> > Manda
> > --
> > http://www.jenesaisoz.com




From AngelGrl83 at aol.com  Thu Dec 18 21:41:06 2003
From: AngelGrl83 at aol.com (Shar)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:41:06 -0000
Subject: PoA to go IMAX!
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E4891@teserver01.treat.net>
Message-ID: <brt6ti+fbeg@eGroups.com>

I believe they're redigitizing the whole movie to fit IMAX 
screens..that's going to be amazing!

~*Shar*~

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, katherine.coble at c... wrote:
> I can't tell from the press release...
> Is this going to be a full-screen IMAX movie or one of those where 
they
> enlarge the movie by 37% using special lenses and run it 
letterboxed on the
> IMAX screen?
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Amanda Pressnell
> > Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 	Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:35 PM
> > To: 	hPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: 	[HPFGU-Movie] PoA to go IMAX!
> > 
> > IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that 
Harry
> > Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third installment of the 
Harry
> > Potter film series, will be 
> > released to IMAX theatres in addition to conventional theatres in 
June
> > 2004. This family event film, based on the third book of the world
> > renowned and best-selling series, will 
> > be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound 
quality of
> > The IMAX Experience through proprietary IMAX DMR(TM) (Digital
> > Re-mastering) technology.
> > 
> > http://comingsoon.net/news/harrypotter3news.php?id=2762
> > 
> > 
> > Nifty!!
> > 
> > Manda
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From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Fri Dec 19 13:51:41 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (katherine.coble at crgibson.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:51:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA to go IMAX!
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E4894@teserver01.treat.net>

Do the redigitized movies still have to be edited to 120 minutes max?  I
know that they had to chop up Apollo 13 and Phantom Menace (no big loss
there...) to make them fit the IMAX reels, but that was a couple of years
ago.

> ----------
> From: 	Shar
> Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 	Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 	[HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA to go IMAX!
> 
> I believe they're redigitizing the whole movie to fit IMAX 
> screens..that's going to be amazing!
> 
> ~*Shar*~
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, katherine.coble at c... wrote:
> > I can't tell from the press release...
> > Is this going to be a full-screen IMAX movie or one of those where 
> they
> > enlarge the movie by 37% using special lenses and run it 
> letterboxed on the
> > IMAX screen?
> > 
> > > ----------
> > > From:        Amanda Pressnell
> > > Reply To:        HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent:        Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:35 PM
> > > To:        hPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:        [HPFGU-Movie] PoA to go IMAX!
> > > 
> > > IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that 
> Harry
> > > Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, the third installment of the 
> Harry
> > > Potter film series, will be 
> > > released to IMAX theatres in addition to conventional theatres in 
> June
> > > 2004. This family event film, based on the third book of the world
> > > renowned and best-selling series, will 
> > > be digitally re-mastered into the unparalleled image and sound 
> quality of
> > > The IMAX Experience through proprietary IMAX DMR(TM) (Digital
> > > Re-mastering) technology.
> > > 
> > > http://comingsoon.net/news/harrypotter3news.php?id=2762
> > > 
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From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 00:13:01 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:13:01 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: An update on the threat to our groups
Message-ID: <bs046d+ulbc@eGroups.com>


Update to our recent ADMIN,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/7980


We recently learned that two tables in the Database section of the
Main List, "Birthdays" and "Recommended Reading" were deleted. We
have since managed to restore them from back-up copies. We have
reason to believe they were deleted by the disgruntled party or 
parties who threatened the HPfGU community. Sad and petty? 
Absolutely.

In order for us to protect the other databases, we have had to 
change the group settings. This means that the Database and the 
Files sections can't be open to members uploads. This has some 
implications for our members, as our Files section includes several 
sections (humour, essays) that members have always been able to add 
to themselves. [We've managed to tweak the database section; members 
can still add data to the databases.]

We would welcome your thoughts on how we can re-establish a files
section that allows member input without leaving files vulnerable to
the same kind of deletion that happened to our database section.
Please feel free to share your views on the Feedback list, or send 
an e-mail to the owner address.

Lastly, if your birthday is in the birthday database, please double-
check your entry.  We have observed some glitches in the restored 
version of the Recommended Reading database (which sometimes occur 
when databases are imported) and we wouldn't want to get anyone's 
birthday wrong. Of course, if your birthday isn't in the Birthday 
Database, feel free to add it in. [grin]

We do have some good news: we mentioned in a previous ADMIN that one
of our administrative lists had been deleted; fortunately, Yahoo
responded to our messages about this, and the admin list *was*
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From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Sun Dec 21 18:14:40 2003
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:14:40 +0100
Subject: Julie Walters tribute
Message-ID: <v01540b02bc0b907a2916@[217.154.251.130]>

Was I the only one who watched the BAFTA tribute to Julie Walters on
British television last Friday? The Trio were there, and the camera rested
on them several times as they sat in the audience. RG also introduced a set
of clips in which Walters played mothers, including one from CoS.

Makes a change to see them on terrestrial British TV instead of hearing
reports of them on out-of-reach satellite or overseas programmes...very
frustrating.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 22 12:30:19 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:30:19 -0000
Subject: Julie Walters tribute
In-Reply-To: <v01540b02bc0b907a2916@[217.154.251.130]>
Message-ID: <bs6o4r+3056@eGroups.com>

Really?  Emma Watson, Rupert Grint and Daniel Radcliffe all attended 
this function?  I'm amazed.  Not because I don't think they like and 
respect their costars, but because most teens wouldn't have even 
been invited to such a grown-up affair (or have wanted to come if 
invited).  Good for them!  Maybe it's a British teenager trait?  <g>

I couldn't have watched it even if I knew it was on as I live in the 
US.  Oh, well...

Diana L.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas at a... wrote:
> Was I the only one who watched the BAFTA tribute to Julie Walters 
on
> British television last Friday? The Trio were there, and the 
camera rested
> on them several times as they sat in the audience. RG also 
introduced a set
> of clips in which Walters played mothers, including one from CoS.
> 
> Makes a change to see them on terrestrial British TV instead of 
hearing
> reports of them on out-of-reach satellite or overseas 
programmes...very
> frustrating.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicholas




From twinslove at mindspring.com  Mon Dec 22 22:26:30 2003
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:26:30 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Julie Walters tribute
References: <v01540b02bc0b907a2916@[217.154.251.130]>
Message-ID: <002001c3c8da$a915a6a0$a11ba8c0@cbunited.com>



What is a BAFTA?  I am in the US too, so I didn't see it.  That is great that the trio was
there to support her though.

Kimberly
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:14 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Julie Walters tribute


  Was I the only one who watched the BAFTA tribute to Julie Walters on
  British television last Friday? The Trio were there, and the camera rested
  on them several times as they sat in the audience. RG also introduced a set
  of clips in which Walters played mothers, including one from CoS.

  Makes a change to see them on terrestrial British TV instead of hearing
  reports of them on out-of-reach satellite or overseas programmes...very
  frustrating.

  Cheers,
  Nicholas




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From autumn_sprite at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 04:11:30 2003
From: autumn_sprite at yahoo.com (Marianne)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:11:30 -0000
Subject: BAFTA  (was Julie Walters tribute)
In-Reply-To: <002001c3c8da$a915a6a0$a11ba8c0@cbunited.com>
Message-ID: <bs8f9i+2cl7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Roth" <twinslove at m...> 
wrote:
> What is a BAFTA?  
> Kimberly

BAFTA is the British Academy of Film and Television Arts.  
http://www.bafta.org/index.html

Marianne




From pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 11:35:25 2003
From: pipdowns at etchells0.demon.co.uk (bluesqueak)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:35:25 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Databases
Message-ID: <bs999t+2euc@eGroups.com>

Following our recent admin in message 8009, we'd like to update you 
on the vanishing Main List databases.

The previous admin informed you that our Main List databases were 
maliciously deleted, and had been restored from backup. Shortly 
after, a second attack was made in which false entries were made 
into three of the databases.

Quite a lot of false entries; several hundred, in fact. ;-)

The admin team decided to take the databases offline until we could
work out a system that still allows members to read the databases,
and will also allow them to be quickly updated.

We apologise that we didn't inform you of this earlier; our first
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From willow58 at comcast.net  Wed Dec 24 01:20:29 2003
From: willow58 at comcast.net (rdhdwldflwr)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:20:29 -0000
Subject: POA trailer
Message-ID: <bsapkt+p1fr@eGroups.com>

I guess I am the only one not liking the trailer.  I don't like 
Malfoy's hair.  What is with the toads?  I don't like the wanted 
poster of Sirius.  He impresses me as being tougher than screaming if 
that is what he is suppose to be doing and I don't see him laughing. 
I did like the Snape boggart.







From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Wed Dec 24 03:36:40 2003
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:36:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA trailer
References: <bsapkt+p1fr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3FE909C8.1050306@pacificpuma.com>



rdhdwldflwr wrote:
> I guess I am the only one not liking the trailer.  I don't like
> Malfoy's hair.  What is with the toads?  I don't like the wanted
> poster of Sirius.  He impresses me as being tougher than screaming if
> that is what he is suppose to be doing and I don't see him laughing.
> I did like the Snape boggart.
>

I believe that magical photos reflect the photographer's idea of what 
the person was like, NOT what a person is really like.  I mean look at 
how Harry's photos in Rita's articles are described.

Being as the MOM wants Sirius to look like a dangerous madman, the 
photographer would put extra effort into making him look like such.

Jazmyn





From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 19:29:33 2003
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:29:33 -0000
Subject: PoA to go IMAX!
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E4894@teserver01.treat.net>
Message-ID: <bscpet+mnnd@eGroups.com>



  We saw LOTR in IMAX this past Sunday and have decided that when POA 
comes out, we will go to the regular theater.  The picture was not a 
full IMAX screen and not even that clear (and it made it even worse 
that dispite getting there 30 minutes early, there were already a lot 
of people in line and we ending up having to sit up front and I left 
with a terrible headache).  We'll be going to see it again at the 
regular theater. And we will definitely see POA at the regular 
theater as well.  But IMAX produced films are really cool (especially 
if we can sit back a little bit).

  My two cents worth;-).  

  Brian:-)     

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, katherine.coble at c... wrote:
> Do the redigitized movies still have to be edited to 120 minutes 
max?  I
> know that they had to chop up Apollo 13 and Phantom Menace (no big 
loss
> there...) to make them fit the IMAX reels, but that was a couple of 
years
> ago.
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Shar
> > Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 	Thursday, December 18, 2003 3:41 PM
> > To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: 	[HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA to go IMAX!
> > 
> > I believe they're redigitizing the whole movie to fit IMAX 
> > screens..that's going to be amazing!
> > 
> > ~*Shar*~
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, katherine.coble at c... wrote:
> > > I can't tell from the press release...
> > > Is this going to be a full-screen IMAX movie or one of those 
where 
> > they
> > > enlarge the movie by 37% using special lenses and run it 
> > letterboxed on the
> > > IMAX screen?
>




From Mhochberg at aol.com  Wed Dec 24 19:15:10 2003
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:15:10 EST
Subject: POA trailer
Message-ID: <157.2a76aaf4.2d1b3fbe@aol.com>

"rdhdwldflwr" writes:
>> I guess I am the only one not liking the trailer.  I don't like Malfoy's 
hair. <<

A lot of people don't. <g> I'm not one of them. I think it is a more human 
look.
  What is with the toads?  
>> I'm curious about them too! They do make an interesting look and I can't 
wait for the soundtrack to come out. <<

>> I don't like the wanted poster of Sirius.  He impresses me as being 
tougher than screaming if that is what he is suppose to be doing and I don't see him 
laughing. <<
The poster is the one thing I truly dislike in the trailer. I think it is 
supposed to be his reaction to the dementors. 

>> I did like the Snape boggart. <<

Cool, isn't it! I love the way he kinda crouches down and tries to curl up 
and hide.

---Mary, needing a POA countdown clock


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From andie at knownet.net  Wed Dec 24 21:50:02 2003
From: andie at knownet.net (grindieloe)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:50:02 -0000
Subject: POA trailer
In-Reply-To: <157.2a76aaf4.2d1b3fbe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bsd1ma+i3jm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mhochberg at a... wrote:

I don't like the wanted poster of Sirius.  





I think that Sirius is supposed to be laughing hysterically.  I at 
least picture it as him laughing very, well, outlandishly. 

(I can still hear Stan Shunpike saying, "He laughed.  He stood there 
and laughed.")

Andrea
(Who hates to admit that she likes the trailer, Sirius poster, frogs 
& all.) :)  




From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Dec 25 10:27:17 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:27:17 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
Message-ID: <4e.25f72f94.2d1c1585@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/25/2003 12:09:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
Andrea
(Who hates to admit that she likes the trailer, Sirius poster, frogs 
& all.) :)  
We still haven't gotten to see it in the theater, despite going to lots of 
movies recently (I couldn't get him to the Bugs Bunny movie, despite my being a 
huge Bugs fan!)  I DO like the trailer for the most part, and have not been 
able to get that song out of my head since the first time I saw the trailer 
online!  What I think is really neat is the lamp posts in the theaters with the 
ads for Quality Quidditch Supply, for owls, etc., signs for Hogsmeade and Diagon 
Alley, and that "moving" wanted poster.  I told my hubby, I expect those will 
go for a pretty penny on eBay once they're out of the theaters!  ;->  That 
signpost is one of the more interesting advertising displays I've seen for 
movies recently.

Lynda Sappington
Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast 
porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold 
and sterling silver.


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From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 07:05:50 2003
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:05:50 -0000
Subject: OT - Peter Pan
Message-ID: <bsgmke+si3l@eGroups.com>

FYI-

Jason Issacs' Peter Pan is in theater starting today. 

I've read mixed review but have yet had the chance to see it myself. 
In addition to watching Issacs playing Captain Hook and Mr. Darling, 
it'd also be interesting to see how another famous "children's book" 
that has lots of imagination and deals with the uncertainties of 
growing up is transformed onto the big screen.

-VJH-




From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 07:12:06 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:12:06 -0000
Subject: OT - Peter Pan
In-Reply-To: <bsgmke+si3l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bsgn06+2u67@eGroups.com>

I really want to see this version of Peter Pan for several reasons.  
The making-of stories I've read about it in movie magazines have 
been very interesting.  This is supposed to be a more faithful 
adaptation of the book than ever filmed before.  The boy playing 
Peter Pan was the young boy in the movie "Frailty", which was a 
great film.  The Captain Hook in this movie will not be portrayed as 
a bumbling joke like in most movies but as the frightening, 
dangerous villian written in the books.   
We're going to see "Return of the King" tomorrow so I'll have to see 
Peter Pan later next week.

Diana L.


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "vincentjh" <vincentjh at y...> 
wrote:
> FYI-
> 
> Jason Issacs' Peter Pan is in theater starting today. 
> 
> I've read mixed review but have yet had the chance to see it 
myself. 
> In addition to watching Issacs playing Captain Hook and Mr. 
Darling, 
> it'd also be interesting to see how another famous "children's 
book" 
> that has lots of imagination and deals with the uncertainties of 
> growing up is transformed onto the big screen.
> 
> -VJH-




From silverdragon at ezweb.com.au  Fri Dec 26 07:49:32 2003
From: silverdragon at ezweb.com.au (silverdragon at ezweb.com.au)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:49:32 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OT - Peter Pan
References: <bsgn06+2u67@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c3cb84$cdded400$79984cca@Monteith>

It's *fantastic*! Saw it last Saturday with my daughter. It is much more
faithful to the much loved - in our house at least - book. Darker. And
you're right; Jason Isaacs' Hook is far more menacing and melancholy, as
well as awfully funny. And Jeremy Sumpter, who plays Peter, is excellent. He
is impish, petulant and impulsive all at the same time. We *loved* it.

Nox




From autumn_sprite at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 27 04:45:08 2003
From: autumn_sprite at yahoo.com (Marianne)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:45:08 -0000
Subject: Buckbeak?
Message-ID: <bsj2ok+lk8t@eGroups.com>

The Sun has a picture of what Buckbeak will look like.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003600304,00.html

Marianne




From cdrv at arnet.com.ar  Sat Dec 27 19:09:52 2003
From: cdrv at arnet.com.ar (Daniel)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:09:52 -0300
Subject: Name Of an Actor ?
Message-ID: <001a01c3ccad$029f2ae0$f3cd2dc8@homeworkmar5gt>

Hi !
Anyone here knows the name of the actor that plays Harry's friend and Gryffindor and shows him how to play that magical sport, he appears in the scene of the magic balls and then in the game is beaten and falls down....
Any help would be greatly appreciate it
Daniel

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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Dec 27 22:29:34 2003
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:29:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Name Of an Actor ?
In-Reply-To: <001a01c3ccad$029f2ae0$f3cd2dc8@homeworkmar5gt>
Message-ID: <000101c3ccc8$ea5b8de0$4e60bf44@Einstein>

> Hi !
> Anyone here knows the name of the actor that plays Harry's friend and
> Gryffindor and shows him how to play that magical sport, he appears in
the
> scene of the magic balls and then in the game is beaten and falls
down....
> Any help would be greatly appreciate it
> Daniel
> 

Iggy here:

Sean Biggerstaff played Oliver Wood.  (Funny thing is, their last names
are similar in their own ways.)

This, incidentally, was also how first movie, if the IMDB database is
correct.


Iggy McSnurd







From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 28 17:28:03 2003
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (constancevigilance)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:28:03 -0000
Subject: Name Of an Actor ?
In-Reply-To: <000101c3ccc8$ea5b8de0$4e60bf44@Einstein>
Message-ID: <bsn3r3+e088@eGroups.com>

> Iggy here:
> 
> Sean Biggerstaff played Oliver Wood.  

<snip>

> This, incidentally, was also how first movie, if the IMDB database 
is
> correct.
> 
> 
> Iggy McSnurd


If that's what IMDB says, then it's wrong. Sean Biggerstaff was 
recommended for the HP franchise by Alan Rickman after Alan directed 
him in a film called Winter's Guest.

Constance Vigilance




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Dec 28 20:25:00 2003
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:25:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Name Of an Actor ?
In-Reply-To: <bsn3r3+e088@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000101c3cd80$ae77f170$4e60bf44@Einstein>


> If that's what IMDB says, then it's wrong. Sean Biggerstaff was
> recommended for the HP franchise by Alan Rickman after Alan directed
> him in a film called Winter's Guest.
> 
> Constance Vigilance

Iggy here:  

I just checked the IMDB site, and it appears that you are correct.  (It
must have been another site that listed him as not in another movie.
Or, it could be that a fan pointed out that the other movie needed to be
added.  They have functions in place to do that.)

Iggy McSnurd







From manda at qx.net  Mon Dec 29 15:39:46 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:39:46 -0800
Subject: NYTimes Mike Newell article
Message-ID: <3FEFDA42.4625.3A9E1F@localhost>

The New York Times has an article on PoA director Mike Newell today. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/movies/29NEWE.html

Here's the HP-related part:

<< On the cusp of his Harry Potter adventure, Mr. Newell knows that the new film is wholly different from anything he has tried before. The budget is much bigger ("you're 
making a film that costs roughly the equivalent of the gross national product of Guatemala," he said, although he cannily did not say how much that is); the special effects 
are dazzling; and then there is the matter of the eagle on the set, which is a revelation in itself, the size of a small city.

"I was standing in my office a couple of months ago and an eagle flew past the window," Mr. Newell related. "I said to the producer, `I think an eagle has just flown past the 
window.' He said, `Yes, yes ? that's probably from the zoo.' " 

"Which means that the enterprise is so vast that it's got its own zoo," Mr. Newell said. "If you want an animal, they'll just pop down and get you an animal. They have 
permanent owl residents, just in case you need one." >>


Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon Dec 29 17:51:08 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:51:08 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] NYTimes Mike Newell article
In-Reply-To: <3FEFDA42.4625.3A9E1F@localhost>
References: <3FEFDA42.4625.3A9E1F@localhost>
Message-ID: <950D2618-3A27-11D8-9E7C-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>

On Dec 29, 2003, at 8:39 AM, Amanda Pressnell wrote:

> The New York Times has an article on PoA director Mike Newell today.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/movies/29NEWE.html

I thought Newell was directing GoF, not PoA. Cuaron is definitely 
directing PoA.

illyana


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From bewitchedbyhp at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 29 23:52:56 2003
From: bewitchedbyhp at yahoo.com (bewitchedbyhp)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:52:56 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
In-Reply-To: <4e.25f72f94.2d1c1585@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bsqeoo+77bj@eGroups.com>

"Something wicked this way comes!"...kept running through my 
head as well, after I played the trailer 10x online! Yes, I don't get 
the frog reference either...
I do like Draco's hair. He's quite handsome, and doesn't look so 
much like Dracula anymore. Also in COS his hair color looked a 
bit too fake. Although Lucius' mane of white hair looked 
awesome! 
What is up with the origami crane that Draco is blowing away, in 
the trailer? That wasn't in the book, was it? 
Although the new director sounds like he will be very creative, 
and really push the actors to do their best, I hope there will not 
be too many deviations from the book. Unlike other 
novels-made-into-movies, the HP series are being read by fans 
first, then viewed on film. 
As far as the Sirius trailer, it is very disturbing, but is intended as 
such. He's being portrayed by the MOM as an insane maniacal 
lunatic that kills many people in one blow, then laughs about it. 
I've seen the sketches of Sirius in the books and other places, 
and somehow cannot picture him as Gary Oldman. Athough he 
is a FANTASTIC actor, I cannot picture him as the "handsome, 
aloof, aristocratic Sirius Black". I wish they'd dyed his hair black 
in POA. The book always references his black eyes and black 
shaggy hair. Oh well...is it June yet? I can't wait! I've read all the 
books, and am now going back and re-reading POA.

Bewitched by HP


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
I DO like the trailer for the most part, and have not been 
> able to get that song out of my head since the first time I saw 
the trailer 
> online!  





From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 05:11:22 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:11:22 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA Trailer
Message-ID: <160.2a19d8cb.2d2262fa@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2003 8:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
I've seen the sketches of Sirius in the books and other places, 
and somehow cannot picture him as Gary Oldman. Athough he 
is a FANTASTIC actor, I cannot picture him as the "handsome, 
aloof, aristocratic Sirius Black". I wish they'd dyed his hair black 
in POA. The book always references his black eyes and black 
shaggy hair. 
I don't understand why they didn't give him black hair and eyes either.  He 
doesn't look at all like Sirius is supposed to.  I've never understood why they 
didn't dye Dan's hair to make it black, too.  I could understand them not 
making a child wear contacts since they were uncomfortable to him, but he still 
could've had black hair.  Oldman's hair isn't long enough, nor is it tangled 
and gross enough to be the result of 12 years in Azkaban.  I'm sure Oldman will 
do a wonderful job of acting the part -- too bad they didn't make him look the 
part better.  

Lynda Sappington
Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast 
porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold 
and sterling silver.


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From manda at qx.net  Tue Dec 30 15:00:56 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:00:56 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] NYTimes Mike Newell article
In-Reply-To: <950D2618-3A27-11D8-9E7C-000A95CE326E@mindspring.com>
References: <3FEFDA42.4625.3A9E1F@localhost>
Message-ID: <3FF122A8.21531.142B21@localhost>

On 29 Dec 2003 at 10:51, illyana delorean wrote:

> On Dec 29, 2003, at 8:39 AM, Amanda Pressnell wrote:
> 
> > The New York Times has an article on PoA director Mike Newell today.
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/movies/29NEWE.html
> 
> I thought Newell was directing GoF, not PoA. Cuaron is definitely
> directing PoA.

It seems like every time I post to this list I make a brainfart. Yes, you're correct.


Manda
too much LOTR, apparently ;-)
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From patientx3 at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 13:53:44 2003
From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:53:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
Message-ID: <5ABFE312.68154494.02725BB8@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/29/2003 6:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, bewitchedbyhp at yahoo.com writes:

>> What is up with the origami crane that Draco is blowing away, in the trailer? That wasn't in the book, was it?
Although the new director sounds like he will be very creative, and really push the actors to do their best, I hope there will not be too many deviations from the book.<<

The Leaky Cauldron had an article on that a month or so ago ( http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/week_2003_11_02.html ~ you need to scroll down a little ).  Apparently he (Draco)draws a picture of Harry getting electricuted then makes it fly over to him.
As for it being a deviation from the book, personally as long as the overall spirit of the book is the same, I really don't care that much if they change a thing or two around or add something. These are ADAPATATIONS, not visual replicas of the book. Movies and books differ, something that works being read does not always work out visually, its not like the books are historical or something, there's no reason something can't be changed here or there as long as it makes sense within the plot. Also, bear in mind the major deviations from the book have more to do with the screenwriter than the directer.

>>I've seen the sketches of Sirius in the books and other places, and somehow cannot picture him as Gary Oldman. Athough he is a FANTASTIC actor, I cannot picture him as the "handsome, aloof, aristocratic Sirius Black". I wish they'd dyed his hair black in POA. The book always references his black eyes and black shaggy hair.<<
 
The Sirius in PoA is never described as being handsome. Yes, he is said to be handsom 13 or so years BEFORE the events of PoA, and he is 'good-looking' back in his teenage years, but the adult Sirius is never said to be good-looking at all.

This is how he's described in PoA (chpt 17, pg 338; u.s. ed)

"A mass of filthy, matted hair hung to his elbows. If eyes hadn't been shining out of the deep, dark sockets, he might have been a corpse. The waxy skin was stretched so tightly over the bones of his face, it looked like a skull. His yellow teeth were bared in a grin."

I definetely agree that he should have longer hair, I don't know why it would have been that hard to get a wig for him that was 'elbow-length'. His hair looks black to me though, Gary Oldman has black hair in every other movie I've seen him in, so I assume its his natural hair color, I can't see why he would suddenly had brown hair for this role. Personally (in case you can't tell) I think he's perfect for the role. I hadn't heard of him before he was cast as Sirius, and I've rented several movies with him in it, and he's really an amazing actor (as well has having enough intensity and presence to play Sirius). 

>>Oh well...is it June yet? I can't wait!<<

Neither can I (o;


-HunterGreen.



From twinslove at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 31 04:04:20 2003
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:04:20 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
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Message-ID: <001801c3cf53$2b57dec0$6501a8c0@KIMBERLY>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bewitchedbyhp 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer


  "Something wicked this way comes!"...kept running through my 
  head as well, after I played the trailer 10x online! Yes, I don't get 
  the frog reference either...>>
  I don't know why it is so mind boggling to others that their are these
  frogs... I mean, Neville has a frog, they use frogs in potions and
  spells, and it seems, to me, to go with the HP world. Maybe all the
  frogs sing in the song or give a belch at the end. LMAO!!! Either way,
  who cares about the frogs! It just seems minimal to the over all song
  or movie.

  I do like Draco's hair. He's quite handsome, and doesn't look so 
  much like Dracula anymore. Also in COS his hair color looked a 
  bit too fake. Although Lucius' mane of white hair looked 
  awesome! >>

  I love Draco's hair!  He looks like a teenager.  I hated it all slick back.  I remember when I first
  saw his hair, I thought "who does that anymore". I loved Lucius' hair as well!  I really hope he
  is in the 4th movie!  I am going to miss him in POA!  


  What is up with the origami crane that Draco is blowing away, in 
  the trailer? That wasn't in the book, was it? >>

  No, it wasn't in the book, but it was added.  It is just Draco picking on Harry, from what I
  have heard, so it is just a visual of his nastiness.  I think it will fit in the story though as
  we all know how he rude and mean he is towards Harry and friends.

   
  As far as the Sirius trailer, it is very disturbing, but is intended as 
  such. He's being portrayed by the MOM as an insane maniacal 
  lunatic that kills many people in one blow, then laughs about it. 
  I've seen the sketches of Sirius in the books and other places, 
  and somehow cannot picture him as Gary Oldman. Athough he 
  is a FANTASTIC actor, I cannot picture him as the "handsome, 
  aloof, aristocratic Sirius Black". I wish they'd dyed his hair black 
  in POA. The book always references his black eyes and black 
  shaggy hair. >>

  His hair looks black to me, and Gary Oldman will be great in the role.
  I was surprised he was playing the part, but I know he can pull it off!
  He is definately very intense!

  Oh well...is it June yet? I can't wait! I've read all the 
  books, and am now going back and re-reading POA.>>
  I will probably re-read the book again before it comes out. Just to 
  "remember" everything about the book before seeing it. Of course, with
  COS I did not re-read it before seeing it, and when I saw it, I had
  no problem remembering it and I could see where the changes were made
  with the movie vs the book.  I can't wait until June either! My son
  is thrilled because HP is coming out this summer and so is Spider-Man 2!

  Kimberly

   

    



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From twinslove at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 31 04:07:06 2003
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:06 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
References: <5ABFE312.68154494.02725BB8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c3cf53$8e47c810$6501a8c0@KIMBERLY>


  ----- Original Message ----- 

  His hair looks black to me though, Gary Oldman has black hair in every other movie I've seen him in, so I assume its his natural hair color, I can't see why he would suddenly had brown hair for this role.  >>

  He was mostly bald, except a batch of hair, in Fifth Element.  He played a wacko in that movie.  :-)
  Kimberly



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From willow58 at comcast.net  Wed Dec 31 02:08:10 2003
From: willow58 at comcast.net (Willow)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:08:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
References: <5ABFE312.68154494.02725BB8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c3cf42$f0e77e40$a9e31e18@ce1.client2.attbi.com>


  I do not want deviations from the book.  I am watching the movies because I like the books.   I think there is plenty of things in the books to choose from that they do not have to make up their own stuff.   

  Willow


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From patientx3 at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 08:52:08 2003
From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:52:08 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
Message-ID: <65.1fc521bf.2d23e838@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2003 9:25:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
willow58 at comcast.net writes:


>  I do not want deviations from the book.  I am watching the movies because 
> I like the books.   I think there is plenty of things in the books to choose 
> from that they do not have to make up their own stuff.   
> 

I suppose then you'll have to either grin and bear it or not see the movies. 
I've heard from people who don't like seeing movies based on their favorite 
books because it ruins it, and you may just fall under that heading. The things 
added to the movies that aren't from the books are just little things anyway, 
and I think its usually for humor or to explain the story better.


-HunterGreen.


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From jade26 at libertysurf.fr  Wed Dec 31 10:30:52 2003
From: jade26 at libertysurf.fr (Jade)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:30:52 +0100 (Paris, Madrid)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
References: <000a01c3cf42$f0e77e40$a9e31e18@ce1.client2.attbi.com>
Message-ID: <3FF2A55C.000001.51111@valley>

 >>> I do not want deviations from the book.  I am watching the movies
because I like the books.I think there is plenty of things in the books to
choose from that they do not have to make up their own stuff.   

  Willow

I guess I'm the only one who *love* deviations from the book :-)
Let me explain.
I've got nothing against Chris Columbus (I even think he's done a great job)
but his movies lack substance IMHO.There were more superficial and childish
than the books because there are things that just can't work visually.
If Alphonso Cuaron needed some (little) deviations from the book to put his
own view of the book into the movie I'd be okay with that as long as it give
substance to the movie.Plus I know the books by heart so I could do with
some surprises ;-)

Jade

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From billones at Radix.Net  Wed Dec 31 20:39:01 2003
From: billones at Radix.Net (JBillones)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:39:01 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
In-Reply-To: <65.1fc521bf.2d23e838@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bsvc55+nom5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, patientx3 at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/30/2003 9:25:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> willow58 at c... writes:
> >  I do not want deviations from the book.  I am watching the
> >  movies because I like the books.   I think there is plenty of
> >  things in the books to choose from that they do not have to
> >  make up their own stuff.   

> I suppose then you'll have to either grin and bear it or not
> see the movies.  I've heard from people who don't like seeing
> movies based on their favorite books because it ruins it, and you
> may just fall under that heading. The things added to the movies
> that aren't from the books are just little things anyway, 
> and I think its usually for humor or to explain the story better.

Like many things in life, It Depends.

Some films do a very good job of reducing hundreds of pages of
text into a two hour film format (plus or minus an hour :).
A writer with respect for the source material will retain both
the letter and spirit of the book, adding very little of their
own.  I think Steven Kloves has done a tremendous job in that
department, as there have been relatively few departures from
canon so far (and most have been due to time constraints).

Other films do a poor job of adapting the source, being more of
an ego-trip of the writer & director than an attempt to honor
the source.  The recent "Battlestar Galactica" miniseries is
a good example: adequate enough on its own merits, but it made
very little effort to honor the source material, so much so
that it might have been better off trying to be an original
story than attempting (and failing) to leverage the good
will of the original.

-- 
Jeremy Billones





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Dec 31 20:23:30 2003
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:23:30 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
Message-ID: <20031231202330.BPSK24265.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

> 
> From: "Kimberly Roth" <twinslove at mindspring.com>
> Date: 2003/12/30 Tue PM 10:07:06 CST
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
> ? ----- Original Message ----- 

? His hair looks black to me though, Gary Oldman has black hair in every other 
movie I've seen him in, so I assume its his natural hair color, I can't see why 
he would suddenly had brown hair for this role.? >>

? He was mostly bald, except a batch of hair, in Fifth Element.? He played a 
wacko in that movie.? :-)
? Kimberly


Yes, Gary Oldman often plays a crazy character. Have you ever seen "True 
Romance" with Patricia Arquette and Christian Slater? Gary Oldman steals the 
show!!!
Bewitched by HP

PS. Noticed your e-mail address is twinslove. Do you have twins?  I have 5 year 
old twin girls...
> 


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From patientx3 at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 22:05:35 2003
From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:05:35 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]POA trailer
Message-ID: <46.44224895.2d24a22f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/31/2003 1:46:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
valerie.flowe at verizon.net writes:

>>Yes, Gary Oldman often plays a crazy character. Have you ever seen "True 
Romance" with Patricia Arquette and Christian Slater? Gary Oldman steals the 
show!!!<<

Actually I just saw that a few days ago for the first time. Its very odd to 
see a british person playing a pimp. (o; Its too bad he was only in such a 
small part of the movie. I can't wait to see him playing Sirius, especially him 
and Alan Rickman in the same scene, since they are both such excellent actors. 
(I *really* hope that the argument scene in OoP makes it to the movie).

-HunterGreen.


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