From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  1 00:28:08 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:28:08 -0000
Subject: World's oldest 12-year olds ;), was Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Film Theorist Question
In-Reply-To: <b8mahh+c23h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b8ppmo+c14v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geri510" <geri510 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at e...> wrote:
> > There are two boys in the class who make Crabbe and Goyle
> > look like 2nd graders ;)
> > 
> > Anyway, kids grow at different rates, and for some reason it
> > seems like most adults want to see "young-looking" kids on
> > the screen.
> 
> Me: I have to agree - I was nearly 5ft 8in when I was 13, was the 
> tallest girl in my year & could pass for 18 - each child grows 
> differently.

My daughter is finishing 1st grade and won't be 7 until August 20th, 
but she is already 4'4" tall and very sturdily built. She seems to 
think a boy in 4th grade (age 9 or 10) has a crush on her :-( I told 
her that he probably thinks she is 8 or 9 and not 6 2/3. "Tell him 
how old you are," I said, "and he'll probably change his mind." (At 
least *I* hope so!) 

Personally I think most of the HP kids look about right for the age 
range they are playing. Though I do worry that Daniel might look like 
he's 18 or 19 by next fall! :-)

Anne U
(yes, he really won't be 14 until July...and Emma just turned 13!!)





From TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk  Thu May  1 10:57:42 2003
From: TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk (TACtalk at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:57:42 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry vs. Snape
Message-ID: <v01540b00bad5d0c90e9b@[217.154.248.207]>

hpoldfan said, in response to my previous post about the extra scene with
Snape in PS/SS:-

>While indeed the scene is in the book, I read it as someone under
>attack trying to find a way out. And being respectful about it. In
>the deleted scene, and this is from memory, Harry is counter
>attacking which is not something that one would do at that time in
>his life.

Mileage clearly varies. To me, Harry as an
'abused-but-not-taking-it-lying-down' kid in the first couple of chapters
of PS/SS set up his objection to Snape's unjust treatment in the Potions
lesson.

Harry may be beset by private self-doubt, but his predominant
characteristic is courage. That's why he's a Gryffindor.

Regards,
Nicholas





From hp at plum.cream.org  Fri May  2 22:11:27 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:11:27 +0100
Subject: What's wrong with the first two movies
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030430010734.00988100@plum.cream.org>

Further to my post the other day about PS/SS, before I launch into CoS, I'd 
like to pick up from another conversation which is relevant.

There's been some debate about whether or not Harry's "outburst" in the 
Potions Class deleted scene was justified or not.

Although I really like that scene and think it should've been kept in, I 
suspect that it was deleted from the final cut not only because of time 
constraints (it adds only about a minute to the film's running time!) but 
because, as I said before, Harry's cutting retorts had been cut from the 
script completely and thus this one was somewhat out of place. The small 
change from book to screen (Harry taking notes and Snape saying that he's 
not paying attention) made Snape's behaviour even more unreasonable, but 
D.R. overdid the opening "Clearly" just a little and the effect was just a 
little *too* cutting.

However, Dan seems to have learned a lot and, as I've said before, his 
"I'll be upstairs..." retort to the Dursleys at the beginning of CoS was 
just *perfectly* delivered, with just the right mixture of fake humility 
and sarcasm.

That was just one of the things which came up when CoS was released, and I 
don't really want to repeat all the problems I had with the film. Back in 
December, I wrote a detailed list which spanned two messages of Things That 
Make Me Cringe about (messages 4466 & 4479).

I would, however, want to pick up on one of the things I listed, which I 
think is a good indicator of Columbus's shortcomings as a director and his 
unwillingness to deviate from the books in any way. I'm referring to THAT 
anagram - in the middle of a fast-written and fast-delivered scene, 
Columbus allows the pace to fall down completely by taking the time to have 
Riddle write his name in the air (taken straight from the book). I have 
suggested before, and I still maintain, that a much snappier way of dealing 
with the anagram would have been for Riddle to make the embossed letters on 
the diary re-arrange themselves. It would have been just as effective 
visually, but would've made the world of difference dramatically.

There's also something else I'd like to bring into the mix which I don't 
think I've ever mentioned before. *Something* about the crowd scenes always 
seemed "wrong" to me, but I couldn't actually put my finger on it until I 
did the screen captures for the widescreen/fullscreen comparison: Harry & 
Co are second year pupils. Regardless of anyone's views on the "how many 
students at Hogwarts" questions, this means that about one seventh of the 
"crowd" should be around Harry's size, around one seventh should be roughly 
smaller than him, and around five sevenths should be varying degrees of 
taller, going all the way up to *much* taller. The only pupils who are 
significantly taller than Harry are those older ones to whom we've been 
introduced (basically, the Quidditch team plus Percy); there's nothing in 
between, whilst the vast majority of any crowd are roughly the same height 
or smaller than Harry.

Whilst it doesn't bother me at all that Harry and Ron's relative heights 
might differ from the books, I do find it disconcerting that the subtly 
important message that these are very young kids is completely lost in the 
mise en scene.

Anyway, those are just small potatoes when it comes to my problems with CoS 
as an adaptation from the book. CoS is generally seen as the weakest of the 
four books to date, and whilst I can't speak for anyone else, the reason 
*I* think that way is because of the gaping plot holes. The movie *could* 
have resolved at least a few of these, but the direction (though the script 
is just as much to blame) exacerbates them instead.

Here are just four examples.

During the Duelling Club, it becomes apparent that Harry is a Parselmouth. 
Snape throws Harry a "shrewd and calculating" look (as per the book). Cut 
to the Trio in another room and the explanation that Parselmouth is Bad (TM 
& C, R. Weasley & H. Granger). How did they get out of the duelling room, 
filled with horrified students and at least two equally horrified teachers 
(not helped by the layout: Harry's on a podium and has to get past either 
Snape or Lockhart to "escape")? Why didn't Snape/Lockhart take any action 
(at the very least, for Harry's own safety from a mob of terrified 
students)? I would have expected that Harry should have been dragged by the 
scruff of the neck to Dumbledore for a little tete-a-tete.

Which leads me to the second scene. McGonagall *does* take Harry off to see 
Dumbledore very shortly afterwards (once Justin has been petrified). 
Dumbledore is said to be expecting him. Yet Harry has the chance for a 
fairly lengthy conversation with the Sorting Hat, and admires Fawkes for 
some time before Dumbledore says anything. Even so, the sum of Dumbledore's 
words is to reassure Harry that he's not under suspicion.

The thing is, unlike the book, the movie does not set up Harry as a 
credible suspect anyway (inter alia, we discover the petrified students 
with Harry), so that whole part of the plot is largely irrelevant. (OT 
comment: makes me think of the brother's screenplay in "Adaptation", which 
proposes a story in which the cop, the bad guy and the victim are all the 
same person.) :-)

I would therefore have put the Dumbledore scene in immediately after the 
duelling club, scrapped the Sorting hat sequence (give the Hat's lines to 
Dumbledore) and have Dumbledore propose his "you're a Parselmouth because 
Voldemort was one" theory during this scene rather than at the end. It 
would have given some kind of structure to the storyline, and given the 
scene some dramatic importance which it simply lacks. (It would have been 
expected that Dumbeldore would encourage to get Harry to tell him about the 
voices at this stage as well, which wouldn't *need* to cut the film short, 
although I'm not sure Kloves has the imagination to see any of the several 
ways out of that.)

The third major plot hole which the film makes no attempt to plug but 
instead makes more apparent is Moaning Myrtle. McGonagall (Deputy 
Headmistress, no less, not deceased History teacher) informs the class that 
many searches have been made for the Chamber but its existence has never 
been proved.

There are two elements to this.

Whilst it's possible that McGonagall is trying to save the children 
worrying by refusing to admit that the Chamber (and the "Monster") have 
made a previous appearance in recent Hogwarts history. It's possible that 
she was unaware of what happened fifty years previously, but that's 
extremely unlikely. So just *why* is she so categorical in denying the 
monster's existence?

My second worry is how come Harry is the first person to make the 
connection between Moaning Myrtle and the Chamber? All the pupils know 
about Myrtle's presence in the toilets, so I find it pretty much 
inconceivable that Dumbledore doesn't. Myrtle seems to imply that Harry is 
the first person ever to have demonstrated an interest in the circumstances 
of her death. Dumbledore was at Hogwarts at the time: why has he never 
investigated this avenue of inquiry?

(The possibility remains that Dumbledore actually has done that and knows a 
heck of a lot more than he's letting on, but barring some spectacular 
about-turns in the upcoming plot, I find it highly unlikely.)

There is the separate issue throughout the movie of the apparent inability 
of Dumbledore and his staff to do *anything* about the attacks and their 
apparent lack of any investigation *whatsoever*.  It would have made some 
sense if among the various comments about the school might having to close 
down, etc., *something* had been said *somewhere* about a renewed 
investigation into the Chamber's whereabouts.

This brings me on to a fourth plot difficulty. Dumbledore is reinstated 
towards the end because the Governors heard about Ginny's capture (how? - 
that's a *completely* separate issue) and thought he was the only person 
who could do anything about it. In the Chamber, we discover that Ginny has 
mere moments left to live. As far as we're aware, Dumbledore doesn't turn 
up until everything is over and done with. He's calmly sitting in his 
office with no apparent care in the world (true, he probably would've been 
aware of the sword's and the Hat's disappearance, but I would have expected 
him to try to try and find out *something*). The whole sequence of events 
makes limited (if any) sense.

And I won't even go into McGonagall's apparent complete capitulation faced 
with the unknown and her complete inability to run the school in 
Dumbledore's absence. I don't want to start a feminist debate, but this 
smells very bad to me.

As hinted above, there is a very, very vague possibility that these things 
aren't plot holes, but foreshadowing of things to come (specifically in 
terms of Dumbledore's relationship with Hogwarts and how much he knows). 
Discussion of that would be better conducted on the main list rather than 
here, as this list isn't concerned with such issues. Many theories have 
been put forward to allay problems with Dumbledore's characterisation in 
GoF (MAGIC DISHWASHER foremost among them) - as I've said before,  as far 
as I'm concerned, they don't really need explaining. However, Dumbledore's 
role in CoS is a major problem with me and I have yet to discover any 
coherent explanation of it.

This film famously had little input from JKR, so I'm very curious just how 
much of this mess is down to her original insistence not to change 
anything, and how much down to the incompetence of the director and screenplay.

I've started work on a third mega-post which is provisionally entitled 
"Where do we go from here?" about the potential pitfalls for the next 
book's adaptation. I doubt it'll be finished sooner than within the next 24 
hours or so.

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, whose new post started from wondering about whether 
Kloves or Columbus is more to blame for the mess they made of CoS....



From penumbra10 at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 22:27:36 2003
From: penumbra10 at yahoo.com (Nia)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:27:36 -0000
Subject: Chamber of Secrets full texts scripts
Message-ID: <b8urco+b4ig@eGroups.com>

Hi,
Here's a great link to the Chamber of Secrets film scripts (final 
draft and final edit)  Here:  SimplyScripts
If my hyperlink created in Word didn't work, here is the entire 
hyperlink.  (Could someone who knows, please post how to keep a two-
line link from breaking up?)

http://www.simplyscripts.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?
search=Harry+Potter+and+the+Chamber+of+Secrets&method=exact

The scripts are in zipped PDF format and make for very interesting 
reading.  Some of the cuts Columbus made simply don't make sense and 
it gives you a much better picture of what the script might have 
looked like before the final draft.
Nia




From penumbra10 at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 22:34:38 2003
From: penumbra10 at yahoo.com (Nia)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:34:38 -0000
Subject: Link to Simply Scripts was cut off by advert
Message-ID: <b8urpu+bn7v@eGroups.com>


Sorry to double post, but for anyone interested, my link
to three full text scripts from CoS
was cut off by the Mother's Day ad.  Here it is again with 
the lines broken up a bit more:

http://www.simplyscripts.com/cgi-bin/
search.pl?search=Harry+Potter+and+the+
Chamber+of+Secrets&method=exact

Nia







From hp at plum.cream.org  Fri May  2 22:50:56 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:50:56 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Link to Simply Scripts was cut off by advert
In-Reply-To: <b8urpu+bn7v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030502234559.00964930@plum.cream.org>

At 23:34 02/05/03 , Nia wrote:

>Sorry to double post, but for anyone interested, my link
>to three full text scripts from CoS was cut off by the Mother's Day 
>ad.  Here it is again with  the lines broken up a bit more:
>
>http://www.simplyscripts.com/cgi-bin/
>search.pl?search=Harry+Potter+and+the+
>Chamber+of+Secrets&method=exact

Or you could simply have provided links to the two sites with the files:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/clarke/38/chamberofsecrets.html
(purported shooting script; I have reason to believe it may not be accurate)

http://www.geocities.com/luckystar1356uk/scripts/hpcosscript.html
(transcript of movie, full of inaccuracies; the third link is the same)


--
GulPlum AKA Richard, currently unimpressed with the shooting script (but 
still only on p. 12)



From kechelsen at aol.com  Sat May  3 21:23:58 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 21:23:58 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <b91c1e+9ecf@eGroups.com>

I seem to recall some people here talking about outtakes in the not 
so distant past.  Were these outtakes on the DVD?  If so, where might 
I find them?  

Thanks.

Kathy




From hp at plum.cream.org  Sat May  3 22:05:23 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 23:05:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <b91c1e+9ecf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030503230330.00964e00@plum.cream.org>

At 22:23 03/05/03 , kathye_c wrote:
>I seem to recall some people here talking about outtakes in the not
>so distant past.  Were these outtakes on the DVD?  If so, where might
>I find them?

Not outtakes as such, but scenes ultimately deleted from the finished cut 
of the movie. There are 19 of them, on the second DVD (unlike the PS/SS 
DVD, you don't need to jump through hoops to find them).





From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 22:52:18 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:52:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Link to Simply Scripts was cut off by advert
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030502234559.00964930@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <20030503225218.91416.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>

GulPlum:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine
> /clarke/38/chamberofsecrets.html
> (purported shooting script; I have
> reason to believe it may not be
> accurate)

If by "not be accurate" GulPlum means 
"hoax" then I agree.  Rather reluctantly, 
I might add, since I would love to read 
any of the HP script in the comfort 
of a squashy couch and compare it 
to the movie as it plays on the TV.  
But even in quickly skimming over the 
script of the link above my hoax!alarm 
kept going off.

I won't go into the details here - the 
listing of errors on the forger's part 
can only make future forgeries that 
much harder to detect but let me point 
out at least one: Kloves does not use 
"Steven" for either bylines or credits.  
This is somewhat counter-intuitive, 
which is probably why the forger made 
the error; after all, you would think 
that for the record, on a title page, 
a writer would use a more formal name.  
But note - he doesn't go by "Steven 
Kloves" in the credits either.  For 
all we know, he's a "Stephen."

So, FWIW, I will be reading this 
document with a grain of salt, the 
way I'd read fanfics.

Petra
a
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From hp at plum.cream.org  Sun May  4 02:01:03 2003
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 03:01:03 +0100
Subject: CoS Script (was Link to Simply Scripts...)
In-Reply-To: <20030503225218.91416.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20030502234559.00964930@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20030504021513.00970220@plum.cream.org>

At 23:52 03/05/03 , Petra Pan wrote:

<snip -re: "script" which Nia had found>

>If by "not be accurate" GulPlum means "hoax" then I agree.

"Hoax" is a perhaps a bit strong a word, but indeed your understanding is 
correct: I have my doubts that's it's the genuine article.

>I won't go into the details here - the listing of errors on the forger's part
>can only make future forgeries that much harder to detect

Same here.

>but let me point out at least one: Kloves does not use "Steven" for either 
>bylines or credits.  This is somewhat counter-intuitive, which is probably 
>why the forger made the error; after all, you would think that for the 
>record, on a title page, a writer would use a more formal name.  But note 
>- he doesn't go by "Steven Kloves" in the credits either.  For all we 
>know, he's a "Stephen."

As it happens, he is listed in several pre-HP, mainly post-Wonder Boys 
(Kloves's crowning glory as a screen writer) reference works as "Steven" 
rather that "Steve". It's clear that he uses both versions himself and it's 
not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that he prefers to use his 
full first name (as I do with mine). So that argument doesn't really hold 
water.

One of the things in this script make me suspicious are several 
Americanisms in the *dialogue* which I'd expect in an American's first 
draft, but this does not purport to be a first draft and I'm sure that 
either Kloves or someone else would've pointed them out to him by that 
stage (prime example: "gotten", which doesn't exist in any variant of 
British English). I'm not sure what to think of the consistent spelling of 
"color" throughout (whilst incorrect in modern British English, we're so 
used to seeing it spelt that way that we normally wouldn't consciously 
notice it).

As a version of the script dated several months into shooting, JKR at the 
very least will have seen it by that stage, and she would have removed all 
these Americanisms (at least in dialogue, if not in descriptions).

Something else which JKR would have corrected is Snape's dialogue when 
lecturing H&R when they arrive at Hogwarts, in which he claims the Whomping 
Willow has been there for "hundreds of years" (it appears, uncorrected, in 
the earliest-dated draft  - 28 January; the revisions are said to be from 
March and April). I find it difficult to believe that all *ten* revisions 
included in this version were written by people who have not read PoA 
(assuming none of them were written by Kloves). Incidentally, the revisions 
of the same date (28 January) include the Flying Ford Anglia stuff, which 
as we all know was the first scene to be filmed, even before PS/SS was 
released. So why were they still revising the scene two months after it had 
been shot?

Although I have my suspicions, I don't deny the possibility that at least 
some of this might be the genuine article, in which case most of the things 
I mentioned in my post last night are definitely Kloves's fault, although 
this still doesn't free Columbus from taking his fair share of the blame.

BTW I notice with some dismay that neither of the long posts I wrote last 
week have has had a single response... I'm wondering if it's worth the 
trouble. I would at least have expected some reaction from Matt, who 
started this whole chain of thought.

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, still working on a third long post





From kechelsen at aol.com  Sun May  4 07:21:59 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 07:21:59 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030503230330.00964e00@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <b92f2n+chps@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum <hp at p...> wrote:
> 
> Not outtakes as such, but scenes ultimately deleted from the 
finished cut 
> of the movie. There are 19 of them, on the second DVD (unlike the 
PS/SS 
> DVD, you don't need to jump through hoops to find them).

Oh, ok -- those I saw.  Thank you.  I thought I had remembered some 
talk about outtakes as well.  

Kathy




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun May  4 19:00:30 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:00:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b92f2n+chps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01c3126f$6f3f11e0$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>

Kathy wrote:

>Oh, ok -- those I saw.  Thank you.  I thought I had remembered some 
>talk about outtakes as well.  

Richelle replied:

The only other things are shown during the interviews.  That are brief clips, particularly behind the scenes stuff when the kids were waiting for filming to start and that sort of thing.  And an amusing one of Daniel, Rupert and Mark Williams (Arthur Weasley) dissolving in giggles during filming of the breakfast scene at the Burrow.

Richelle


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From CLShannon at aol.com  Sun May  4 19:37:32 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:37:32 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <1ec.80419e4.2be6c5fc@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/4/03 12:01:59 PM, rvotaw at i-55.com writes:

<< The only other things are shown during the interviews.  That are brief 
clips, particularly behind the scenes stuff when the kids were waiting for 
filming to start and that sort of thing.  And an amusing one of Daniel, 
Rupert and Mark Williams (Arthur Weasley) dissolving in giggles during 
filming of the breakfast scene at the Burrow. >>

I have never seen the Burrow one - do you know where it can be found? I would 
love to see that one ;-)
Cindy



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun May  4 19:56:26 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:56:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <1ec.80419e4.2be6c5fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <024201c31277$3f700520$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>


> I have never seen the Burrow one - do you know where it can be found? I would 
> love to see that one ;-)
> Cindy

It's on the adult interviews section during Mark Williams interview.  Where he talks mainly about Dan and Rupert getting the giggles every afternoon, which he encourages at every opportunity. :)

Richelle


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From CLShannon at aol.com  Sun May  4 19:59:22 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 15:59:22 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <1e7.83753d4.2be6cb1a@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/4/03 12:58:21 PM, rvotaw at i-55.com writes:

<< It's on the adult interviews section during Mark Williams interview.  
Where he talks mainly about Dan and Rupert getting the giggles every 
afternoon, which he encourages at every opportunity. :)
 >>

Oh duh, thanks! I know I watched that, but forgot ;-) I guess it's time to 
watch again.
Cindy



From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sun May  4 16:57:47 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 11:57:47 -0500
Subject: Actor contracts (was Hagrid's Mortality on HPfGU)
In-Reply-To: <b91kkr+jd5p@eGroups.com>
References: <20030503004717.14397.qmail@web21005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030504113434.03235eb0@mail.kriselda.net>


>  Becky Walkden <runningbecky2002 at y...> wrote:
> >
> >  Me:  Of COURSE (the movies are indicators)!  The simple fact is,
>the studios would NOT waste money on hiring an actor to play in a
>movie when his character is no longer going to be there!  And
>conversely, since they wanted the same actors for all seven movies,
>there is no other concieivable explanation for only giving him a 5
>year contract when there are 7 movies to be made!

Well, in my opinion, there are, starting with the possibility that they 
haven't done contracts for all of the movies yet with any of the 
actors.  Now, I don't know for sure what anyone else's contract status is, 
but I know there had been talk at one point about whether or not Daniel 
Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint would be asked to do all 7 films, 
or if they might be replaced in some of the later films.  On his IMDb page, 
Daniel Radcliffe is quoted as saying "But I don't think it's going to 
happen. I don't think I'll do all of them - I'll probably get too spotty or 
too tall or I'll shrink or something."  Obviously, Harry Potter is going to 
be in all 7 films, but even the actor playing him has not apparently been 
signed to do all 7 films.

Other reasons are that some actors would be reluctant to commit themselves 
to 7 movies over an unknown period of time (since the movies can't be done 
until after the books are published), and the studios may have been 
reluctant to commit to a single actor for more than 5 years at a time, 
since a lot can change over the years. Other possibilities could include 
such things as even though the studio has the rights to make all 7 films, 
they may not be doing contracts for some of the later ones until they see 
if the popularity of the movies holds out.

It's also possible that Ms. Rowling didn't want to give out too much 
information about the later books so that there would still be some 
suspense.  I know it's very common for information about TV series 
contracts to be withheld so as to help protect the value of a season-ending 
cliffhanger. (For example, many series will end the season with one or more 
people being in an accident or shot or something of that nature with it 
being unclear as to who lives and who dies.  If the contract status of 
actors involved in those scenes becomes known before the next seasons 
begins, it quickly becomes obvious as to which characters survive and which 
don't - those with new contracts will obviously survive and those without 
won't.)

indyattic replies to Becky:

>Perhaps the studios begged for a 7 year contract, but Robbie Coltrane
>held out. He is a much bigger screen presence in the UK than the US,
>so it is quite possible that he is betting that he'll be able to
>command a larger salary for subsequent re-signings if his face
>becomes more recognizable to US audiences.

That's also a viable explanation - plus Robbie Coltrane may want to keep 
his options open for doing other projects as well.  There are times when 
being under contract to one film can keep an actor from taking jobs in 
other projects - even if the contracted project is delayed and the actor 
would easily have time to do both.  I remember several years back, the 
James Bond filmmakers wanted to hire Pierce Brosnan to play Bond, but 
because of the way his contract with NBC for "Remmington Steele" was 
structured, even though the shows future was in question (I think it had 
been cancelled, but with the speculation surrounding Brosnan becoming Bond 
making Brosnan a "hot property", NBC thought they might be able to revive 
it), Brosnan was not allowed to take the Bond role at that time, and that 
was when Timothy Dalton took over for a bit. Things like that can make a 
performer fairly gun-shy about long-term contracts.




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From kechelsen at aol.com  Sun May  4 20:45:44 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:45:44 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <01eb01c3126f$6f3f11e0$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 
wrote:

> The only other things are shown during the interviews.  That are 
brief clips, particularly behind the scenes stuff when the kids were 
waiting for filming to start and that sort of thing.  And an amusing 
one of Daniel, Rupert and Mark Williams (Arthur Weasley) dissolving 
in giggles during filming of the breakfast scene at the Burrow.<

Thanks, I saw that as well.  There's just so much on the extras, that 
I haven't had a chance to see everything!

What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he 
was using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the 
course of the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but 
this outtake didn't come up.

Kathy





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun May  4 21:00:48 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:00:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02db01c31280$3daf7a50$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>

Kathy wrote:

> What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he 
> was using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the 
> course of the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but 
> this outtake didn't come up.

Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD interview, but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something similar).  When he pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's office it catches in the collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs removed it he turns to Dan (who is just standing there giggling, of course) and says "Sorry about that, love" perky as can be and turns around to do it over.  I find that one highly amusing.  Too bad it didn't make it to the DVD.

Richelle


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sun May  4 21:11:10 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:11:10 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <163.1fd2c774.2be6dbee@aol.com>

They should of kept that in the DVD!!  

It does sound funny!

Kyle Longbottom



In a message dated 5/4/03 5:01:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rvotaw at i-55.com 
writes:

> 
> 
> Kathy wrote:
> 
> >What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he 
> >was using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the 
> >course of the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but 
> >this outtake didn't come up.
> 
> Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD interview, 
> but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something similar).  When he 
> pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's office it catches in the 
> collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs removed it he turns to Dan (who 
> is just standing there giggling, of course) and says "Sorry about that, 
> love" perky as can be and turns around to do it over.  I find that one 
> highly amusing.  Too bad it didn't make it to the DVD.
> 
> Richelle



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From glorificus21 at bigpond.com  Mon May  5 00:29:18 2003
From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (Danja Trajkovic)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:29:18 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001201c3129d$5ea2d140$e424a4cb@fickwalker>

Kathy said:

What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he 
was using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the 
course of the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but 
this outtake didn't come up.




I say:

 All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well here in Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a part of one of our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've reffered to here, including one where  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes caught on the neck of Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or where all of this footage was released overseas but the dvd also contains clips from the actual movie and extended interview sequences with most of the cast.

Has anyone seen this overseas?



Regards,
Danja


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May  5 00:54:40 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:54:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <001201c3129d$5ea2d140$e424a4cb@fickwalker>
References: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030504195339.00b76088@mail.kriselda.net>

Danja Trajkovic recently mentioned:

>  All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well here 
> in Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a part of 
> one of our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've reffered to 
> here, including one where  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes caught on the neck 
> of Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or where all of this footage 
> was released overseas but the dvd also contains clips from the actual 
> movie and extended interview sequences with most of the cast.
>
>Has anyone seen this overseas?

I haven't found anything like that on the US DVD, though I'd LOVE to be 
able to see it!  I hope they'll release it here in some form - it sounds 
really funny :)

Kriselda


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From glorificus21 at bigpond.com  Mon May  5 01:10:22 2003
From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:10:22 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030504195339.00b76088@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c312a3$1b1a8d40$e424a4cb@fickwalker>

I said: 

>  All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well here 
> in Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a part of 
> one of our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've reffered to 
> here, including one where  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes caught on the neck 
> of Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or where all of this footage 
> was released overseas but the dvd also contains clips from the actual 
> movie and extended interview sequences with most of the cast.
>
>Has anyone seen this overseas?



Then Kriselda said:

I haven't found anything like that on the US DVD, though I'd LOVE to be 
able to see it!  I hope they'll release it here in some form - it sounds 
really funny :)



I say in reply:

I was rather amazed at how much was packed onto this free little dvd. It has unedited interviews with almost all major cast members, it has a highlight reel of clips from the film itself and then there's the behind the scenes footage. With footage from everything like the duelling scene, Ron and the slugs and Lucius bursting into Dumbledore's office - the scene with the cane as described above - the only thing missing is anything about Quidditch which would've been cool to see. 



Regards,
Glory


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May  5 01:29:58 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:29:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <75.1042e762.2be71896@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/4/03 8:33:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
glorificus21 at bigpond.com writes:

> 
> Kathy said:
> 
> What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he 
> was using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the 
> course of the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but 
> this outtake didn't come up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I say:
> 
> All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well here in 
> Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a part of one of 
> our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've reffered to here, 
> including one where  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes caught on the neck of 
> Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or where all of this footage was 
> released overseas but the dvd also contains clips from the actual movie and 
> extended interview sequences with most of the cast.
> 
> Has anyone seen this overseas?
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Danja

WHy do they do this to us???

Kyle Longbottom 



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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 06:19:02 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:19:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CoS Script
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030504021513.00970220@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <20030505061903.50059.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com>

Yours truly:
> Kloves does not use "Steven" for either 
> bylines or credits.  This is somewhat
> counter-intuitive, which is probably 
> why the forger made the error; after
> all, you would think that for the 
> record, on a title page, a writer
> would use a more formal name.  But
> note - he doesn't go by "Steven Kloves"
> in the credits either.  For all we 
> know, he's a "Stephen."

GulPlum, in part:
> As it happens, he is listed in several
> pre-HP, mainly post-Wonder Boys (Kloves's
> crowning glory as a screen writer)
> reference works as "Steven" rather that
> "Steve". It's clear that he uses both
> versions himself and it's not entirely
> beyond the realms of possibility that
> he prefers to use his full first name (as
> I do with mine). So that argument doesn't
> really hold water.

Surely you see this coming...but...I beg to 
differ.  <g>  Though you do bring up a good 
point - I spoke too rashly in saying that 
for all we know (I meant for all *I* knew) 
he's a "Stephen," when in fact he IS 
credited as Steven Kloves for his very first 
produced project. 

Since that post I've been to the video 
store and while there, looked up the other 
Kloves projects.  (Luckily for me, he 
hasn't been THAT busy.)  Only on his very 
first movie, Racing with the Moon, is 
Kloves credited as "Steven."  Every title 
since has his name spelled "Steve."

Since billing/credit blocks on VHS/DVD 
packaging are put together as specified 
by legally binding negotiations, and 
should correspond to the end credits, 
that's all I needed to confirm for myself 
my original impression that Kloves has 
settled on the less formal version of his 
name as his 'brand.'

I'm not sure what you mean by "reference 
works" and am curious to know if such 
works are written to the specifications of 
Kloves (or his legal representation).  
Referring to Kloves using "Steven" 
indicate to me research that's a bit 
behind the times of Fabulous Baker Boys, 
Flesh & Bone, Wonder Boys, HP SS and HP 
CoS...the VHS or DVD of which all credit 
him as "Steve."  Add to that is the fact 
that his byline for the HP SS script is 
"Steve Kloves," and IIRC, same goes for 
the "Wonder Boys" script.

<g>  Yes, this is a small mistake but one 
that Kloves is extremely unlikely to make 
on his own while at the same time, one 
that a less than diligent researcher may 
miss.  Though I must say, all the forger 
had to do was look at the VHS/DVD of the 
movie and there'd be one less reason to 
believe this script to be a product of 
reverse-engineering.

GulPlum, in part, later:
> Although I have my suspicions, I don't
> deny the possibility that at least some
> of this might be the genuine article, in
> which case most of the things I mentioned
> in my post last night are definitely
> Kloves's fault, although this still
> doesn't free Columbus from taking his
> fair share of the blame.

Out of curiosity, as opposed to desire to 
challenge your volitions, may I ask why 
you desire to assign faults and blames to 
specific *individuals* in regards to 
movies, which are products of *team* work?  
I confess myself puzzled...

Petra
a
n  :)

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From paulined at optushome.com.au  Mon May  5 06:25:58 2003
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:25:58 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030504195339.00b76088@mail.kriselda.net>
References: <001201c3129d$5ea2d140$e424a4cb@fickwalker>
 <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030505162558.042106d0@10.0.0.3>

>>  All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well here 
>> in Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a part of 
>> one of our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've reffered to 
>>  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes caught on the neck 
>> of Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or where all of this footage 
>> was released overseas but the dvd also contains clips from the actual 
>> movie and extended interview sequences with most of the cast.
>>
>>Has anyone seen this overseas?
> 
> I haven't found anything like that on the US DVD, though I'd LOVE to be 
>  I hope they'll release it here in some form - it sounds 
> really funny :)

I hope you get it too.  It went for nearly an hour, and had some wonderful
behind the scenes footage, including Columbus directing Alan Rickman
regarding the shrug he gave in the duelling scene, saying how excellent it
would be and lots of stuff with the kids.  The video clips were the same as
the ones Counting Down had before CoS's release, and most of the interviews
were covered in the Making of Chamber of Secrets 30min special that was on
TV about the time CoS came out.


       Love
     (`'?.?(`'?.? ?.?'?)?.?'?)
   ???`?..*   Pauline  *..???`?
      (?.?'(?.?'? `'?.?)`'?.?)





From manda at qx.net  Mon May  5 09:46:35 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:46:35 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <b93u5o+n3bi@eGroups.com>
References: <01eb01c3126f$6f3f11e0$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <3EB5D08B.22231.224F3E@localhost>

On 4 May 2003 at 20:45, kathye_c wrote:
> 
> What I remembered was something about Jason Isaacs and the cane he was
> using in a scene getting caught on someone's robe during the course of
> the scene.  I did watch the interview with Mr. Isaacs, but this
> outtake didn't come up.

If memory serves, that was on the E! Behind the Scenes special. 

What sticks in my crawl is that WB didn't take advantage of these pre-made behind the scenes features (such as E! and HBO) or cast interviews (Oprah, etc.) and stick 
them on the DVD. Other DVDs do this. Road to Perdition had one made by HBO. I think Doctor Dolittle 2 had something from Animal Planet. The two disc LOTR:FOTR had 
Fox and Sci-Fi Channel features. While there are undoubtedly fees involved, HBO is another Time Warner property. Surely some deal could have been worked out. 

Manda
--
http://www.mandamia.com



From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Mon May  5 12:58:21 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:58:21 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CoS Script
Message-ID: <19b.148324f0.2be7b9ed@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/5/2003 1:20:35 AM Central Standard Time, 
ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com writes:

> Yes, this is a small mistake but one 
> that Kloves is extremely unlikely to make 
> on his own while at the same time, one 
> that a less than diligent researcher may 
> miss.  

Or just perhaps it was typed by someone (legitimately) and was merely 
presumed that he used Steven.  


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From jeanico at securenet.net  Mon May  5 14:07:44 2003
From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 14:07:44 -0000
Subject: Subtle Daniel...
Message-ID: <b95r7g+1il7@eGroups.com>

I read a couple of posts that mention moments in the movie where you 
can actually see the progress that Daniel Radcliffe has made in his 
acting techniques between the 1rst (which I found pretty good 
already) and 2nd HP movies and I also wanted to mention something 
else that I noticed when watching my COS DVD: Daniel's wonderful yet 
subtle expressions. For instance, Look at his expression when 
Lockhart spots him in line at the bookstore...it is just fabulous! 
also, when he asks Dobby to promise to never save his life again and 
gives him that little half smile or yet again the look in Harry's 
eyes when his uncle puts the bars on his bedroom window...he is 
certainly a really promising young actor in my opinion.
I now have to watch COS again with my daughter, who is studying 
cinematography and will discuss the technical aspects of the movie 
with me while we watch! (AAARRRGGG says my husband...not again!)
Have a great day,
Nicole   




From genewright143 at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 15:18:45 2003
From: genewright143 at hotmail.com (lipscombgene)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 15:18:45 -0000
Subject: "50 years ago..." COS timing question - COS spoiler
Message-ID: <b95vcl+mmir@eGroups.com>

COS says that Hagrid was expelled 50 years ago and that Dumbledore 
kept him on as gamekeeper after that. That would of course make 
Hagrid something like 60+ years old.

In GOF, Molly Weasly remembers being a student at Hogwarts and talks 
about her memories of the gamekeeper BEFORE Hagrid who was there when 
she was at school.

How old is Molly?

It does read this way, doesn't it? Or have I missed something?




From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 18:19:45 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:19:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CoS Script
In-Reply-To: <19b.148324f0.2be7b9ed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030505181945.12270.qmail@web21103.mail.yahoo.com>

Yours truly:
> > Yes, this is a small mistake but one 
> > that Kloves is extremely unlikely to make 
> > on his own while at the same time, one 
> > that a less than diligent researcher may 
> > miss.  

Meliss9900 at aol.com: 
> Or just perhaps it was typed by someone
> (legitimately) and was merely presumed that
> he used Steven.

Entirely possible, of course...but...if 
this is a copy of the real script, I find 
it unlikely that no one has noticed the 
mistake after so many revisions, esp. 
Kloves.  If you were he, wouldn't you 
check your byline?  <g>

It is also entirely possible of course 
that the man just decided to revert to 
the more formal "Steven" for the title 
page of the script but not for the 
credits.  I can't imagine why but surely 
it's possible.

Sorry to quibble over the presence/absence 
of the letter 'n' especially since it's 
one of the least of that which rang the 
hoax!alarm for me but as I've mentioned, 
I'm not sure we should discuss on list 
exactly what we find to be unconvincing 
about this script because such discussions 
can only help other pranksters pull future 
hoaxes.  That is to say I am essentially 
asking y'all to take me at my word while 
giving you very few reasons for doing so - 
which is admittedly very bad form indeed!

Petra
a
n  :)

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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon May  5 18:41:38 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:41:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "50 years ago..." COS timing question - COS spoiler
Message-ID: <26306964.1052160098488.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

lipscombgene wrote:

> COS says that Hagrid was expelled 50 years ago and that Dumbledore <BR>
> kept him on as gamekeeper after that. That would of course make <BR>
> Hagrid something like 60+ years old.<BR>
> <BR>
> In GOF, Molly Weasly remembers being a student at Hogwarts and talks <BR>
> about her memories of the gamekeeper BEFORE Hagrid who was there when <BR>
> she was at school.<BR>
> <BR>
> How old is Molly?<BR>
> <BR>
> It does read this way, doesn't it? Or have I missed something?<BR>

Well, basically it's because Dumbledore got Dippet to keep Hagrid on to be 
*trained* as gamekeeper.  You can't just stick a 13 year old kid as gamekeeper 
at a place as big as Hogwarts.  So I'd imagine he was something of an 
apprentice for several years, probably during the time Molly was at Hogwarts. 
When the gamekeeper retired, then Hagrid could've taken over. Julie Walters is 
53 now, and she fits the part well.  So I'd have no problem believing Molly to 
be anywhere in her late forties or fifties.  Hagrid could well have been "in 
training" for ten, fifteen or even twenty years. (It's a big job!)

Richelle


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From kechelsen at aol.com  Mon May  5 20:26:46 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 20:26:46 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <02db01c31280$3daf7a50$ffa1cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b96he6+fgbt@eGroups.com>

<<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 
wrote:
Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD 
interview, but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something 
similar).  When he pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's 
office it catches in the collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs 
removed it he turns to Dan (who is just standing there giggling, of 
course) and says "Sorry about that, love" perky as can be and turns 
around to do it over.  I find that one highly amusing.  Too bad it 
didn't make it to the DVD.>> 

Thanks.  It is unfortunate that they didn't put any outtakes on the 
DVD.  I think it would have been really interesting to see.  
Unfortunately I wasn't able to see any of the news programs or the E! 
profile of the movie.

Kathy 





From kechelsen at aol.com  Mon May  5 20:32:18 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 20:32:18 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <75.1042e762.2be71896@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b96hoi+neom@eGroups.com>

<<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
All this behind the scenes footage that you're talking about, well 
here in Australia at least, came out on a free bonus dvd that was a 
part of one of our Sunday papers here. It contains the scenes you've 
reffered to here, including one where  Jason Isaacs's cane becomes 
caught on the neck of Daniel Radcliffe's robes. I don't know if or 
where all of this footage was released overseas but the dvd also 
contains clips from the actual movie and extended interview sequences 
with most of the cast.
 
 Has anyone seen this overseas?
 
 
 
 
WHy do they do this to us???>>

I agree.  How is it that some places get all the REALLY fun stuff!!! 
<G>  
Did anyone in the UK get a similar thing?

Kathy





From CLShannon at aol.com  Mon May  5 21:28:53 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:28:53 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
Message-ID: <12b.29415a22.2be83195@aol.com>




<< <<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 

wrote:

Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD 

interview, but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something 

similar).  When he pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's 

office it catches in the collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs 

removed it he turns to Dan (who is just standing there giggling, of 

course) and says "Sorry about that, love" perky as can be and turns 

around to do it over.  I find that one highly amusing.  Too bad it 

didn't make it to the DVD.>> >>

Well, I have the E! online behind the scenes and it's not on there. They show 
that scene a lot, but never the outtake. I I have quite a few of the 
interviews and such and I still haven't found it. 
>From the description I read somewhere on line, Isaacs says something like, 
'Sorry love, you okay?' I would love to see that clip ;-)
The description I read from someone on line said he saw it on the Biography 
Channel's program about JKR and HP - I have searched their website to see if 
they even sell the program and called them, but they don't have a record of 
it.
Hmm. I know JKR was profiled on A&E's Biography and I have seen that one (and 
the outtake isn't in that one), but I don't get the Biography Channel and 
can't seem to find reference to this other program. 
And I am really bummed that no newspapers that I know of in the US gave away 
a DVD - geesh.
Cindy



From sharonlibrarian at yahoo.com  Mon May  5 22:08:10 2003
From: sharonlibrarian at yahoo.com (sharonlibrarian)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:08:10 -0000
Subject: Subtle Daniel...
In-Reply-To: <b95r7g+1il7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b96nca+89tr@eGroups.com>

Dan was very good with expressions and reactions even back when he 
did "David Copperfield."  A few key scenes I remember:  when David is 
being beaten by his stepfather, Dan makes you believe the pain.  And 
there's another scene where David has been walking and walking and 
walking from London to Dover.  He stops to soak his feet in a stream, 
and Dan makes you believe his feet are killing him.

He's just plain good.  The right kid at the right time!




-- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jeanico at s...> wrote:
> I read a couple of posts that mention moments in the movie where 
you 
> can actually see the progress that Daniel Radcliffe has made in his 
> acting techniques between the 1rst (which I found pretty good 
> already) and 2nd HP movies and I also wanted to mention something 
> else that I noticed when watching my COS DVD: Daniel's wonderful 
yet 
> subtle expressions. For instance, Look at his expression when 
> Lockhart spots him in line at the bookstore...it is just fabulous! 
> also, when he asks Dobby to promise to never save his life again 
and 
> gives him that little half smile or yet again the look in Harry's 
> eyes when his uncle puts the bars on his bedroom window...he is 
> certainly a really promising young actor in my opinion.
> I now have to watch COS again with my daughter, who is studying 
> cinematography and will discuss the technical aspects of the movie 
> with me while we watch! (AAARRRGGG says my husband...not again!)
> Have a great day,
> Nicole




From WFeuchter at msn.com  Mon May  5 22:24:01 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 22:24:01 -0000
Subject: Subtle Daniel...
In-Reply-To: <b96nca+89tr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b96oa2+sm47@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sharonlibrarian" 
<sharonlibrarian at y...> wrote:
> Dan was very good with expressions and reactions even back when he 
> did "David Copperfield."  A few key scenes I remember:  when David 
is 
> being beaten by his stepfather, Dan makes you believe the pain.  
And 
> there's another scene where David has been walking and walking and 
> walking from London to Dover.  He stops to soak his feet in a 
stream, 
> and Dan makes you believe his feet are killing him.
> 
> He's just plain good.  The right kid at the right time!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jeanico at s...> 
wrote:
> > I read a couple of posts that mention moments in the movie where 
> you 
> > can actually see the progress that Daniel Radcliffe has made in 
his 
> > acting techniques between the 1rst (which I found pretty good 
> > already) and 2nd HP movies and I also wanted to mention 
something 
> > else that I noticed when watching my COS DVD: Daniel's wonderful 
> yet 
> > subtle expressions. For instance, Look at his expression when 
> > Lockhart spots him in line at the bookstore...it is just 
fabulous! 
> > also, when he asks Dobby to promise to never save his life again 
> and 
> > gives him that little half smile or yet again the look in 
Harry's 
> > eyes when his uncle puts the bars on his bedroom window...he is 
> > certainly a really promising young actor in my opinion.
> > 
> > Nicole

I have always thought that his subtle gestures, and expressions have 
always been a strong suit of his. Even in PS this was evident. 
Considering his age and relative inexperence he is doing a 
remarkable job. And even more important he obviously wants to learn 
and improve.

I think Dan will be an important force in the entertainment business 
for a long time to come

WF




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Mon May  5 23:54:02 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:54:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b96hoi+neom@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <018201c31361$9b46a6c0$8da2cdd1@RVotaw>


>>WHy do they do this to us???>>

Kathy wrote:

> I agree.  How is it that some places get all the REALLY fun stuff!!! 
> <G>  
> Did anyone in the UK get a similar thing?

I dunno.  But Australia gets all the cool ink pens and stuff too.  It's so unfair.  However, I found several of those free DVD's on ebay.  I bought one.  It should play on a DVD Rom or a region free DVD player.  We'll see!

Richelle


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From glorificus21 at bigpond.com  Mon May  5 23:57:02 2003
From: glorificus21 at bigpond.com (glory)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:57:02 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
References: <b96hoi+neom@eGroups.com> <018201c31361$9b46a6c0$8da2cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <001801c31362$09ad9740$3146a4cb@fickwalker>

Richelle said:

I dunno.  But Australia gets all the cool ink pens and stuff too.  It's so unfair.  However, I found several of those free DVD's on ebay.  I bought one.  It should play on a DVD Rom or a region free DVD player.  We'll see!



Glory(me) now says:

The distinct LACK of CoS merchandise in Australia is pretty astounding actually. We had a huge load of stuff released when PS came out but I don't think much of that stock was updated for the CoS release. I wish we'd had half the hype during the run up to the movie. We missed out on a lot of really good behind the scenes specials etc. 

If anyone is particularily desperate for a copy of this dvd,  please email me offlist and I'll see what I can do.


Regards,
Glory


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From manda at qx.net  Tue May  6 11:19:35 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:19:35 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <12b.29415a22.2be83195@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3EB737D7.28894.26D47D@localhost>

On 5 May 2003 at 17:28, CLShannon at aol.com wrote:
 
> << <<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw"
> <rvotaw at i...> 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD 
> interview, but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something 
> similar).  When he pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's 
> office it catches in the collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs 
> removed it he turns to Dan (who is just standing there giggling, of 
> course) and says "Sorry about that, love" perky as can be and turns 
> around to do it over.  I find that one highly amusing.  Too bad it 
> didn't make it to the DVD.>> >>
> 
> Well, I have the E! online behind the scenes and it's not on there.

You're both right, I was wrong. I just watched my COS press tape and it was Jason Issacs's "Early Show" appearance.

Manda
who recently caught David Heyman's cameo in "Ravenous" and strangely relished in his grewsome death. heheh.
--
http://www.mandamia.com





From kechelsen at aol.com  Tue May  6 20:14:06 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:14:06 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD
In-Reply-To: <018201c31361$9b46a6c0$8da2cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b9952e+gj9c@eGroups.com>

<<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 
wrote:
I dunno.  But Australia gets all the cool ink pens and stuff too.  
It's so unfair.  However, I found several of those free DVD's on 
ebay.  I bought one.  It should play on a DVD Rom or a region free 
DVD player.  We'll see!>> 

Ah, I meant to check Ebay last night after posting here but it got 
too late, and I got too tired <G>.  Thanks for the reminder!

Kathy





From SlightlyCashews at aol.com  Tue May  6 20:13:38 2003
From: SlightlyCashews at aol.com (SlightlyCashews at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:13:38 EDT
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD ("Sorry, Love")
Message-ID: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/06/03 5:50:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  writes: 
CLShannon at aol.com writes.

> On 5 May 2003 at 17:28, CLShannon at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Ah, I know the one you're talking about.  It wasn't on the DVD 
> >interview, but on a tv interview (The Early Show or something 
> >similar).  When he pushes Harry aside with the cane in Dumbledore's 
> >office it catches in the collar of Dan's robe.  After Jason Issacs 
> >removed it he turns to Dan (who is just standing there giggling, of 
> >course) and says "Sorry about that, love" perky as can be and turns 
> >around to do it over.  I find that one highly amusing.  Too bad it 
> >didn't make it to the DVD.>> >>
> >
> >Well, I have the E! online behind the scenes and it's not on there.
> 
> You're both right, I was wrong. I just watched my COS press tape and it was 
> Jason Issacs's "Early Show" appearance.
> 

I looked this up online. CBSNEWS.com has the Early Show interview with Jason 
Issacs in it's archives. In it, is the out-take mentioned. 

It can be found here:
<A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/boxoffice/main529706.shtml">
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/boxoffice/main52970

6.shtml</A>

BG


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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 22:49:38 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD ("Sorry, Love")
In-Reply-To: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030506224938.15056.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>

Whee!  That was fun!  Thanks so much for digging that up!! A question, though: I wonder who's "Drocko"??  ;-) Odile
SlightlyCashews at aol.com very kindly wrote:I looked this up online. CBSNEWS.com has the Early Show interview with Jason 
Issacs in it's archives. In it, is the out-take mentioned. 

It can be found here:
<A HREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/boxoffice/main529706.shtml">
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/boxoffice/main52970

6.shtml</A>

BG


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Wed May  7 20:18:44 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:18:44 -0500
Subject: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <20030506224938.15056.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>

I hope this is considered an appropriate topic for this mailing list.  I'm 
still a bit new, so I'm not sure.  If it's not, PLEASE let me know off-list 
and DON'T bother responding to it, so that it doesn't end up starting a 
thread that shouldn't be here.  Thanks!!

That said, here goes...  :)

I was just looking at IMDb and noticed that they've cast Gary 
(EEEEEEEVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYOOOOONNNNNNEEEEEEEE) Oldman as Sirius!  I 
think my heart has just collapsed in on itself!

Let me back up for a minute.  I know a lot of people really like Gary 
Oldman, but, in my experience, I've never felt any kind of human warmth 
coming from any of his characters.  I know they need Sirius to have a 
dangerous edge, but he also has to have that heart at his core that was 
able to keep him sane with the knowledge of his own innocence, and the love 
he has for Harry that pushes him to risk escaping from Azkaban to protect 
Potter from Pettigrew - and I honestly cannot see Oldman pulling that 
off.  Ironically, while reading the book, the "face" my mind wanted to put 
to Sirius was Alan Rickman, but, well, he's kinda busy right now, I realize 
*G*  (and he's perfect as Snape!), but that's the kind of performer it's 
going to take.  I just can't remember feeling this distressed about a 
casting decision in quite some time.  I just hope that Oldman can surprise 
the daylights out of me, but I'm not holding my breath.

Who would I have picked instead?  Well, I don't have a definite candidate, 
but I have some ideas.  Hugh Jackman and Viggo Mortensen can both obviously 
pull off the "I may be dangerous and deadly, but I could really use a hug 
right now (and if you tell anyone that, I'll have to kill you, you 
realize)" character off quite well, as demonstrated by Wolverine and 
Aragorn respectively (though Mortensen isn't British, which could be a 
problem) as can Jonathan Rhys-Meyers, though he's probably too young (Ok, 
definitely too young, but they screen tested him as the next Bond (?!), so 
who knows....).  Liam Neeson could probably do it...  or, ooh!  Tim 
Roth!  Now, that'd have been an excellent choice?

So, anyone want to either commiserate with me or try and cheer me back up?  :)


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From kechelsen at aol.com  Wed May  7 20:29:26 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 20:29:26 -0000
Subject: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets DVD ("Sorry, Love")
In-Reply-To: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b9bqb6+qh0i@eGroups.com>

<<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SlightlyCashews at a... wrote:
I looked this up online. CBSNEWS.com has the Early Show interview 
with Jason Issacs in it's archives. In it, is the out-take mentioned. 

It can be found here:
<AHREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/bo
xoffice/main529706.shtml">

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/boxoffice/
main529706.shtml</A> >> 

Thank you so much for finding that.  It was interesting to listen 
to;  unfortunately the real player on that site didn't want to work 
very well for me, so I kept getting "stop action" type pictures, not 
a straight video performance.  Also, it kept stopping to "load."  
But the audio was ok.

Thanks again.

Kathy





From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Wed May  7 21:04:47 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 16:04:47 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Question regarding Chamber of Secrets
  DVD ("Sorry, Love")
In-Reply-To: <b9bqb6+qh0i@eGroups.com>
References: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507160401.00b57640@mail.kriselda.net>

kathye_c recently mentioned:

><<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, SlightlyCashews at a... wrote:
>I looked this up online. CBSNEWS.com has the Early Show interview
>with Jason Issacs in it's archives. In it, is the out-take mentioned.
>
>It can be found here:
><AHREF="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/18/earlyshow/leisure/bo
>xoffice/main529706.shtml">

Thank you very much!  That was fun to watch :)

Jason Isaacs certainly looks different without the long blonde hair, 
doesn't he?

Kriselda


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From huntleyl at mssm.org  Wed May  7 23:55:03 2003
From: huntleyl at mssm.org (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:55:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban casting
References: <13.1c4628ed.2be97172@aol.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <001901c314f4$13ea3e00$4301a8c0@huntleyl>

Kriselda:

> I was just looking at IMDb and noticed that they've cast Gary
> Oldman as Sirius!  I
> think my heart has just collapsed in on itself!

Sigh.  I think Gary Oldman as Sirius would be the first casting of a main
character that I just *can't* reconcile with The-Picture-In-My-Head.  I
mean, I even accustomed myself to Emma Watson.

The problem is that for most characters I just use my imagination.  But for
sometime now, I haven't been able to think of Sirius as anyone other than a
younger Timothy Dalton.

Sigh.  I suppose they know what they're doing.  I just always pictured
Sirius as strong-featured and bright-eyed...a much more expressive
and...broader...face than Oldman's.  You know?  He's a passionate man.
Needs larger shoulders and hands than Oldman's, too.

Plus, Oldman isn't anything like "dead sexy."

Laura (who is also new to the movie list, but old to the main list.  Welcome
Kriselda!)






From buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May  8 17:02:34 2003
From: buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Su?=)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:02:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Azakban casting
In-Reply-To: <1052406923.239.43378.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030508170234.83039.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>



<<Who would I have picked instead?  Well, I don't have a definite 
candidate, but I have some ideas.  Hugh Jackman and Viggo Mortensen can both obviously pull off the "I may be dangerous and deadly, but I could really use a hug right now (and if you tell anyone that, I'll have to kill you, you realize)" >> I absolutely agree with you on your choices! even though Hugh is Australian and Viggo ..American (?). I think they both pull off fine English accents and carry both a bit of snarl and warmth at the same time. I've also always thought that Colin Firth would have been wonderful as Sirius too. He can brood very well! Kibi





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From grace701 at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 18:43:33 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (Greicy de los Santos)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:43:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 569
In-Reply-To: <1052406923.239.43378.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030508184333.14745.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>




Kriselda:

> I was just looking at IMDb and noticed that they've cast Gary
> Oldman as Sirius! I
> think my heart has just collapsed in on itself!


Laura Ingalls wrote:
Sigh. I think Gary Oldman as Sirius would be the first casting of a main character that I just *can't* reconcile with The-Picture-In-My-Head. I mean, I even accustomed myself to Emma Watson.

The problem is that for most characters I just use my imagination. But for sometime now, I haven't been able to think of Sirius as anyone other than a younger Timothy Dalton.

Sigh. I suppose they know what they're doing. I just always pictured Sirius as strong-featured and bright-eyed...a much more expressive and...broader...face than Oldman's. You know? He's a passionate man.Needs larger shoulders and hands than Oldman's, too.

Plus, Oldman isn't anything like "dead sexy."
******************************************************************

I personally think they should have used an up-and-coming actor or something totally new for Sirius and Lupin's part.  Then again I'm American and we don't have a many British actors here for me to choose from.  But I know who Gary Oldman is and I've never been taken away by his performances.

 

Greicy, whose sister thinks that Sean Connery should have been Dumbledore! ;-)



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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 19:47:01 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 569
In-Reply-To: <20030508184333.14745.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030508194701.19113.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com>



Greicy de los Santos <grace701 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Greicy, whose sister thinks that Sean Connery should have been Dumbledore! ;-)


And me, Odile:

LOL!  My friends and have our fingers crossed that Sean Connery gets cast as Mad-Eye Moody!!  ;-)

Odile, who thinks Nadja Auermann would be awesome as Narcissa Malfoy, if only she could act... 


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From jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  8 19:19:32 2003
From: jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net (Woolfolk)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:19:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azakban casting
References: <20030508170234.83039.qmail@web41510.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3EBAADC4.7080502@sbcglobal.net>


> I've also always thought that Colin Firth would have been wonderful as 
> Sirius too. He can brood very well! Kibi
>
I was really, really hoping that Colin Firth would be cast as Sirus. His 
is the face that 1st came to mind when I read POA (not sure why).
Plus him and Alan Rickman in the same movie...ahhhh heaven.
Julie W in AR





From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 20:36:08 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:36:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <20030508203608.28211.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>

Kriselda Jarnsaxa, in part:
> I hope this is considered an
> appropriate topic for this
> mailing list. I'm still a bit
> new, so I'm not sure.  If
> it's not, PLEASE let me know
> off-list and DON'T bother
> responding to it, so that it
> doesn't end up starting a 
> thread that shouldn't be here. 
> Thanks!!

IF this is an inappropriate topic 
for this group THEN a whole 
gaggle of us is guilty of being 
OT!  <wink>  If you go back 
through the archives you'd find 
loads of posts debating the 
casting choices, especially that 
of Black and Lupin.
 
> That said, here goes...  :)
> 
> I was just looking at IMDb and
> noticed that they've cast Gary 
> <snip that which gave me an eye
> ache!> Oldman as Sirius!  I
> think my heart has just
> collapsed in on itself!
> 
> Let me back up for a minute. 
> I know a lot of people really
> like Gary Oldman, but, in my
> experience, I've never felt
> any kind of human warmth 
> coming from any of his
> characters.

<snip> 

> So, anyone want to either
> commiserate with me or try
> and cheer me back up?  :)

Before I do that, I am curious 
to know: out of all of Oldman's 
movies, which ones have his 
distracters seen?  I can think 
of at least two that defied the 
'conventional wisdom' that 
fuels the practice of type-
casting that characterizes 
Oldman's filmography.

Link to Oldman's IMDb page:

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Oldman,+Gary

Petra
a
n  :)

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From julia at thequiltbug.com  Thu May  8 20:40:33 2003
From: julia at thequiltbug.com (Calliope)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azakban casting
Message-ID: <20030508134033.4269.h013.c011.wm@mail.thequiltbug.com.criticalpath.net>


>> I've also always thought that Colin Firth would have been wonderful as 
>> Sirius too. He can brood very well! Kibi


>I was really, really hoping that Colin Firth would be cast as Sirus. His 
>is the face that 1st came to mind when I read POA (not sure why).
>Plus him and Alan Rickman in the same movie...ahhhh heaven.
>Julie W in AR

Calliope (me):

I was hoping for Colin Firth as Remus Lupin, actually.  :)  He's got that
suffering-in-silence bit down pat, I think.  *sighs dreamily*


--Calliope







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From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Thu May  8 21:14:47 2003
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 21:14:47 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <20030508203608.28211.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan <ms_petra_pan at y...> 
wrote in regards to Gary Oldman's suitability for the role of Sirius 
Black:
>
 I am curious to know: out of all of Oldman's movies, which ones have 
his distracters seen?  I can think of at least two that defied the 
> 'conventional wisdom' that fuels the practice of type-ccasting that 
characterizes Oldman's filmography.
> 
> Link to Oldman's IMDb page:
> 
> http://us.imdb.com/Name?Oldman,+Gary
> 
> Petra
> a
> n  :)

I think it's time for all of us who have been appalled at various 
bits of news about the film version of POA to take a deep breath and 
stand back. I certainly had my share of angst over the loss of Sean 
Biggerstaff. And shared it with a fair number of you. But at some 
point we have to accept these films as what they are, someone else's 
vision (and that's not necessarily a bad thing!!) of how HP should be 
realized on the screen. No one is going to be totally thrilled but no 
one will be totally offended either. I think we have our best shot 
yet at seeing a film that lives up to the spirit of one of the books 
with Cuaron. It will be different from Chris for sure. Rather than 
worry that the people that are being cast aren't appropriate, see 
some of Cuaron's films to decide for yourself if he's an able 
director, capable of translating a story to the screen without 
mangling characterizations.
JenD
(who can't think of any really cute thing to say at the end so she'll 
just go...)




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Thu May  8 22:35:10 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:35:10 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 569
Message-ID: <9f.3808bf33.2bec359e@aol.com>


No no no!   Bob Hoskins as Mad Eye Moody

Kyle 


In a message dated 5/8/03 3:51:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> Greicy de los Santos <grace701 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Greicy, whose sister thinks that Sean Connery should have been Dumbledore! 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> And me, Odile:
> 
> LOL!  My friends and have our fingers crossed that Sean Connery gets cast 
> as Mad-Eye Moody!!  ;-)
> 
> Odile, who thinks Nadja Auermann would be awesome as Narcissa Malfoy, if 
> only she could act... 



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From twelvecabins at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 01:28:47 2003
From: twelvecabins at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 569
In-Reply-To: <1052406923.239.43378.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030509012847.524.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>


--- HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Message: 1
>    Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:18:44 -0500
>    From: Kriselda Jarnsaxa
> <thorswitch at thunderhaven.net>
> Subject: Azkaban casting

> I was just looking at IMDb and noticed that they've
> cast Gary 
> (EEEEEEEVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYOOOOONNNNNNEEEEEEEE)
> Oldman as Sirius!  I 
> think my heart has just collapsed in on itself!
> 
> Let me back up for a minute.  I know a lot of people
> really like Gary 
> Oldman, but, in my experience, I've never felt any
> kind of human warmth 
> coming from any of his characters.  I know they need
> Sirius to have a 
> dangerous edge, but he also has to have that heart
> at his core that was 
> able to keep him sane with the knowledge of his own
> innocence, and the love 
> he has for Harry that pushes him to risk escaping
> from Azkaban to protect 
> Potter from Pettigrew - and I honestly cannot see
> Oldman pulling that 
> off.  I just can't remember feeling this
> distressed about a 
> casting decision in quite some time.  I just hope
> that Oldman can surprise 
> the daylights out of me, but I'm not holding my
> breath.

You have perfectly summed up my response to hearing
the news of Oldman's casting. I could try to cheer you
up about it, but since I feel similarly disappointed,
I'll just have to commiserate with you instead.
Strange thing is I used to love Oldman. I mean, LOVE
him. I found his characters both charismatic and
attractive - certainly not in a traditional way - and
his performances almost always quite powerful. But,
you see, I've always loved great movie villains, and
Gary's are among the best. Yet even when he has played
characters who are not psychotic killers (which has
not been often) - Beethoven in "Immortal Beloved", for
example - they have, as you said, never betrayed a bit
of human warmth or tenderness. Instead they are
sarcastic, angry, emotionally distant, or (in the case
of his Guildenstern...or was he Rosencrantz?)
basically braindead. I have never seen him portray a
character that both possesses a dangerous edge and a
deeper side consisting of fierce loyalty, bravery,
tenderness and love - and thus imagining him as
Harry's protective godfather and James and Lily's
avenging angel is rather difficult for me. He has
proven in the past - when his performances aren't WAY
over the top - that he is a good actor, and so I'm not
ruling out the possibility that he may indeed be able
to pull it off. I'm just saying that I can't imagine
he'll portray Sirius as anything close to the book
version.

Furthermore, as you also mentioned, he is physically
unsuited to the role. I know that when Sirius comes
out of Azkaban he is a wasted form of the man he was
before - but I still always imagined him to have
strength and a powerful presence. Oldman is quite
short, and in recent years he has appeared as if he is
anorexic. I know many people have pointed to his role
in "The Scarlet Letter" as proof that he can play
ruggedly handsome - but that was about ten years ago
and, well, suffice it to say that he's aged. I too had
pictured Viggo Mortensen in the role of Sirius, which
nonetheless I knew was an impossibility - but there
are plenty of other British actors who could have made
a better Sirius. Hugh Jackman would have worked
(though I don't know if Rowling's all-British rule
extended to Australians); so too would Jeremy Irons.
But Oldman is absolutely the last person I would have
expected them to cast as Sirius. As a physical
incarnation of Voldemort, yes. As Sirius, no way.

By the way, Kriselda - loved your reference from "The
Professional". ;) My favorite line would have to be,
"What's your name angel?" which I can just now see
Sirius saying to Hermione - and that ain't right!

Sara




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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Fri May  9 01:30:19 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:30:19 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <20030508203608.28211.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030508202235.02760cc8@mail.kriselda.net>

Petra Pan recently mentioned:

>IF this is an inappropriate topic
>for this group THEN a whole
>gaggle of us is guilty of being
>OT!  <wink>  If you go back
>through the archives you'd find
>loads of posts debating the
>casting choices, especially that
>of Black and Lupin.

I'll have to check that out...  I hadn't even though about doing that [BAD 
Kriselda! BAD!] because the reaction I had to seeing his name was just a 
bit overwhelming <grin>

>Before I do that, I am curious
>to know: out of all of Oldman's
>movies, which ones have his
>distracters seen?  I can think
>of at least two that defied the
>'conventional wisdom' that
>fuels the practice of type-
>casting that characterizes
>Oldman's filmography.

Ok, here goes :)

* Criminal Law
* Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead (don't remember much about much 
about it - didn't hold my attention well at all)
* JFK
* Dracula (more times than I can count - it's one of my husband's all-time 
favourite movies)
* True Romance
* Romeo is Bleeding
* The Professional (aka Leon)
* The Fifth Element (this one couldn't hold my attention either)
* Air Force One
* The Contender

Kriselda


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From SlightlyCashews at aol.com  Fri May  9 01:33:22 2003
From: SlightlyCashews at aol.com (benevolntgoddess1)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:33:22 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <001901c314f4$13ea3e00$4301a8c0@huntleyl>
Message-ID: <b9f0h2+8dp5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Laura Ingalls Huntley" 
<huntleyl at m...> wrote:
> Kriselda:
> 
> > I was just looking at IMDb and noticed that they've cast Gary
> > Oldman as Sirius!  I
> > think my heart has just collapsed in on itself!
> 
> Sigh.  I think Gary Oldman as Sirius would be the first casting of 
a main character that I just *can't* reconcile with The-Picture-In-My-
Head.  I mean, I even accustomed myself to Emma Watson.
> 
> The problem is that for most characters I just use my imagination.  
But for sometime now, I haven't been able to think of Sirius as 
anyone other than a younger Timothy Dalton.
> 
> Sigh.  I suppose they know what they're doing.  I just always 
pictured Sirius as strong-featured and bright-eyed...a much more 
expressive and...broader...face than Oldman's.  You know?  He's a 
passionate man.
> Needs larger shoulders and hands than Oldman's, too.
> 
> Plus, Oldman isn't anything like "dead sexy."

*Takes a moment out of this dignified list to be a teenaged girl - 
boys boys boys* okay - I'm done now.

When I first read about Oldman a couple of months ago, I too, was on 
the "What are they thinking? No, No, No" list.  My main beef is
 he's 
too short and slender. He doesn't fit the picture in my head of 
Sirius (who is about 6'3", black hair, gray eyes, broad shoulders, 
formerly muscular but now a skinny thing ? it's okay he'll get it 
back) I'm still battling that. I went to a few Gary Oldman sites and 
came up with a few very 
 interesting pictures of the man which have 
since changed my "NO NO NO" to "Well
 maybe
we'll see". I will say 
that from the pictures, he's got enough "sexy" in him to pique my 
interest, but, at this point, not enough to get me all Sirius hot and 
bothered.

JKR only gave "black hair, handsome and skinny". I know I'm not the 
only one to have the mental picture that I've described. (I surveyed 
a fellow Sirius fan and my Sirius fan mother) 

So, that asks the question ? Is "6'3+", black hair, gray eyes, broad 
shoulders, muscular, needs a shave/goatee, really good looking in 
an `I don't care'/cross Cary Grant with Victor Webster kind of way" a 
universal picture of Sirius because women just *like that image or 
because JKR has given us so many embedded clues to point to it as 
being what's in her head too? Do you think JKR was thinking Gary 
Oldman when she wrote Sirius "I'll take two of those please" Black, 
or is this a ploy to get one more high profile British on board?

I must add that I heartily agree with David Thewlis as Remus Lupin. 
He has an "I'm so nice" look.

BG





From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  9 01:58:03 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:58:03 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting and GOF casting idea...
In-Reply-To: <b9f0h2+8dp5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9f1vb+2fll@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "benevolntgoddess1" 
<SlightlyCashews at a...> wrote:
>> I must add that I heartily agree with David Thewlis as Remus 
Lupin. 
> He has an "I'm so nice" look.
> 
> BG

Oh now isnt' this interesting. Several months ago when the first POA 
casting rumors came out, several of us wondered about Thewlis as 
Lupin. Personally I've only seen Thewlis once and he played a serial 
killer... so that didn't quite recommend him to me as Lupin ;-) Some 
of us also had our hearts <sigh> set on Ralph Fiennes ...who is good-
looking in a very warm sort of way (and those eyes!!). Well, Thewlis 
got the nod over Fiennes for whatever reason so I'm sure I"ll grow to 
love him <g>. 

And now, maybe this has been said before... but I'm re-reading GOF 
now, just finished chapter 18, "The Weighing of the Wands," and the 
first thought I had as I finished reading the description of Rita 
Skeeter was "Dame Edna!!!" ... Okay, I know Dame Edna is too old. So 
would that leave Eddie Izzard?? :-)

Anne U
(feeling deja vu all over again...)





From CLShannon at aol.com  Fri May  9 02:28:33 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:28:33 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting and GOF casting idea...
Message-ID: <17b.19f82c2b.2bec6c51@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/8/03 7:00:04 PM, anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< Oh now isnt' this interesting. Several months ago when the first POA 

casting rumors came out, several of us wondered about Thewlis as 

Lupin. Personally I've only seen Thewlis once and he played a serial 

killer... so that didn't quite recommend him to me as Lupin ;-) Some 

of us also had our hearts <sigh> set on Ralph Fiennes ...who is good-

looking in a very warm sort of way (and those eyes!!). Well, Thewlis 

got the nod over Fiennes for whatever reason so I'm sure I"ll grow to 

love him <g>.  >>

Of course, Ralph  Fiennes just played a rather gruesome serial killer in Red 
Dragon.        I didn't see it, but the clips I did see were scary as hell - 
he did make a convincing psycho ;-)

As for the talk about Sirius and Oldman - does JKR give a height 
approximation for Sirius in the book? I can't recall now and don't have the 
book in front of me. 

Just as a fun fact, I happened to catch the last part of an old Highlander 
episode last night and Jason Isaacs was a guest star - playing a bad guy of 
course ;-) 

Cindy



From slaross at total.net  Fri May  9 02:29:05 2003
From: slaross at total.net (tiggereh1987)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 02:29:05 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
Message-ID: <b9f3ph+c9sd@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

I've been looking at all the comments about Gary Oldman being cast 
as Sirius and I think that he will do well - he always does!  
Besides, if Sirius turns bad, Gary Oldman plays a wonderful bad guy 
(Air Force One, Criminal Law). 
I've been thinking about upcoming casting for GOF and have a couple 
suggestions:

Mad-Eye Moody
Several people cross my mind.  Bob Hoskins would be good (I've seen 
that comment before), but my preference is David Jason.  (Only Fools 
and Horses, A Touch of Frost, Darling Buds of May).

Barty Crouch Jr.
I think Sean Bean would be perfect for that role - playing a crazy 
would be a good stretch for him.

Ludo Bagman
Sean Bean would be a good choice for this as well, though I'm not 
sure how many moves he would sign for, that's why I cast him as 
Barty crouch jr. first.  others would be Nicholas lyndhurst, or 
Reece dinsdale.

Rita Skeeter
How about Jennifer Saunders - I think she's got enough venom for 
this!

Narcissa Malfoy
Joanna Lumley would be brilliant at this.


Also, how about some trivia?

Robbie Coltrane and Alan Rickman appeared on the 80s Brit 
show "Girls on Top" which starred Dawn French.


Leigh




From doliesl at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 02:52:54 2003
From: doliesl at yahoo.com (doliesl)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 02:52:54 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <b9f0h2+8dp5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9f566+lu2u@eGroups.com>

>>>> So, that asks the question ? Is "6'3+", black hair, gray
eyes, 
broad shoulders, muscular, needs a shave/goatee, really good looking 
in an `I don't care'/cross Cary Grant with Victor Webster kind of 
way" a universal picture of Sirius because women just *like that 
image or because JKR has given us so many embedded clues to point to 
it as being what's in her head too? Do you think JKR was thinking 
Gary Oldman when she wrote Sirius "I'll take two of those please" 
Black, or is this a ploy to get one more high profile British on 
board? <<<<<
 
My answer to that: No. 

My mental image of the young Sirius would be more of a 70s British 
punk rocker type. The post-Azkaban Sirius would be a wasted version, 
added on a psychotic edge. Imagine the shock I had when I found out 
the "romantic-dangerous-stud!Sirius seems to be THE most *popular* 
interpretation out there (at least what this list gave me the 
impression of). And I remember reading an article (AFTER I've form my 
own mental image of Sirius) that stated J.K.Rowling's own "dead sexy" 
idol was punk legend Joe Strummer (of The Clash). Joe Strummer is 
dark, average height, slim and slender (definitely NOT tall, NOT 
broad shoulder and NOT muscular). 

So Gary "Sid Vicious" Oldman may fit just fine. I was so worried 
they'll find some pretty-boy actor, or some gym buff-up muscle men 
for Sirius, which I know I'd despised.  

It's funny to see how a vague "black hair, handsome and skinny" can 
be interpret so differently cross-age/culturally. I heard some young 
fans saying their mental image of Sirius are Ben Afflect/Matt Damon. 
Many Japanese fan art interpret him as a long hair, clean face pretty 
boy (the Johnny Depp type). 

-D.  




From jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net  Fri May  9 03:29:14 2003
From: jjjwoolfolk at sbcglobal.net (Woolfolk)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:29:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20030508202235.02760cc8@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <3EBB208A.5080106@sbcglobal.net>




> Pert Pan recently mentioned:
>
> >Before I do that, I am curious
> >to know: out of all of Oldman's
> >movies, which ones have his
> >distracters seen?  I can think
> >of at least two that defied the
> >'conventional wisdom' that
> >fuels the practice of type-
> >casting that characterizes
> >Oldman's filmography.
>
Oh, its not that I don't like Gary Oldman. I love him. He's a 
spectacular actor. He's one of those actors that makes a bad film good. 
And he can be sexy, he was a very sexy/creepy in Dracula (one of those 
bad movies he made worth seeing)  And I'm sure he will be a great Sirus. 
Its just I got this Colin Firth thing going in my head.
How's about  Sean Connery all gizzled up as Moody...hubahuba.
;-)

Julie W in AR




From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri May  9 04:03:24 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:03:24 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban casting
Message-ID: <178.1a59f39b.2bec828c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/8/2003 11:25:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Hugh Jackman and Viggo Mortensen can both obviously 
> pull off the "I may be dangerous and deadly, but I could really use a hug 
> right now (and if you tell anyone that, I'll have to kill you, you 
> realize) *snip* and Liam Neeson
ooOOOOoooo, you should be a casting director!  All are DELICIOUS choices, far 
better than Oldman, IMO -- but I've seen Oldman's range and am willing to 
wait to see if he does a credible job.  Hugh Jackman and Viggo Mortenson and 
Liam Neeson all have the large build I expected to see in Sirius -- Oldman 
doesn't.  If someone had told me he'd be in PoA, I'd have guessed he was the 
rat -- I can see him playing a rat rather well, actually (don't flame me, 
that's a compliment -- he can play all kinds of parts, he's just not a large 
enough physical presence to make me think of Sirius).

But it's a done deal, sounds like, so we'll just have to wait to be delighted 
at the theaters (hope hope hope!!!)


Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From elrond at paradise.net.nz  Fri May  9 03:10:11 2003
From: elrond at paradise.net.nz (Michael Chance)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:10:11 +1200
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting and GOF casting idea...
References: <b9f1vb+2fll@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c315d8$8879aaa0$cc414fcb@locxvcym>


From: "Anne" <anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net>
>
> And now, maybe this has been said before... but I'm re-reading GOF
> now, just finished chapter 18, "The Weighing of the Wands," and the
> first thought I had as I finished reading the description of Rita
> Skeeter was "Dame Edna!!!" ... Okay, I know Dame Edna is too old. So
> would that leave Eddie Izzard?? :-)
>

LOL Dame Edna fits my image of her more though :) Actually I'd quite like to
see Eddie as her, especially as I've had a strong picture of Rita Skeeter as
a transvestite since the idea was jokingly suggested on a completely
different HP list. (I'd have to go look it up myself, but the other person
agreed with you as if remember correctly she's described as having hands and
a thick neck? :)

Michael
http://chance.slashcity.net/ <-- HP fan site, though adult based





From glcherry at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 03:32:13 2003
From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 03:32:13 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting
Message-ID: <b9f7ft+c6db@eGroups.com>

I'm fairly new here, but I'm going to take a chance and throw my two
knuts in.

I was not happy when I heard that Oldman had been cast as Sirius Black
either. Don't get me wrong, alot of people consider him a great actor,
and he does play 'certain' parts well, but, and if JKR is going with
British / Australian actors then I would have suggested Ciaran Hinds
of the Royal Shakespeare Company. He played in a wonderful movie
called "Persuasion". Tall, dark haired, a voice you know anywhere, and
'young' enough to play Sirius after 12 years in Azkaban.

As for Thewlis as Remus, I wasn't unhappy with him. He played a
wonderful part in Dragonheart, and has, I believe, the range of acting
ability to carry it off very well.

Thanks for listening.

Lorrie
  


I wasn't asked tho, and it is her Universe after all





From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Fri May  9 05:14:09 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:14:09 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting
Message-ID: <ac.3f8bf970.2bec9321@aol.com>

Well before you cast Gary as a bad actor rent JFK, Immortal Beloved, Matalda, 
Lost in Space and he does seem to me to have a range of acting too.

Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff Prefect 



In a message dated 5/9/03 12:59:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
glcherry at bellsouth.net writes:

> 
> I'm fairly new here, but I'm going to take a chance and throw my two
> knuts in.
> 
> I was not happy when I heard that Oldman had been cast as Sirius Black
> either. Don't get me wrong, alot of people consider him a great actor,
> and he does play 'certain' parts well, but, and if JKR is going with
> British / Australian actors then I would have suggested Ciaran Hinds
> of the Royal Shakespeare Company. He played in a wonderful movie
> called "Persuasion". Tall, dark haired, a voice you know anywhere, and
> 'young' enough to play Sirius after 12 years in Azkaban.
> 
> As for Thewlis as Remus, I wasn't unhappy with him. He played a
> wonderful part in Dragonheart, and has, I believe, the range of acting
> ability to carry it off very well.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Lorrie
>  
> 
> 
> I wasn't asked tho, and it is her Universe after all
> 



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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 06:05:03 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 23:05:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Oldman as Beethoven in Immortal Beloved (was) Azkaban casting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030508202235.02760cc8@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <20030509060503.30507.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com>

Kriselda:
> Ok, here goes :)
> 
> * Criminal Law
> * Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are
> Dead (don't remember much about much 
> about it - didn't hold my attention
> well at all)
> * JFK
> * Dracula (more times than I can
> count - it's one of my husband's
> all-time favourite movies)
> * True Romance
> * Romeo is Bleeding
> * The Professional (aka Leon)
> * The Fifth Element (this one
> couldn't hold my attention either)
> * Air Force One
> * The Contender

Ah...<light dawns>...let's talk again 
after you watch Oldman's Ludwig van 
Beethoven in Immortal Beloved (1994).  
Brilliant composer does not equal a 
grim-look-alike, of course, but at 
least Oldman gets to play a character 
who has love interests.  IIRC, he *is* 
a love interest himself, which is to 
say SOMEone found him 'dead sexy.'

Petra, defending Mrs. Oldman's taste
a
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From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 07:41:34 2003
From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:41:34 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
Message-ID: <b9fm3e+1frl@eGroups.com>

  I'm just wondering why so many folks are questioning Gary Oldman 
(who I happen to think is perfect)??  What's really guiding your 
choices, adolescent fantasies (I thought this was a "grown up" 
forum) or actors who actually fit the part?

 Okay, I'm going to make a case for Mr. Oldman.. He's a fine actor, 
who will CONVINCINGLY make for the chilling mugshot he's suppose to 
sport post-azkaban. Plus, he can pull off the intensity that is 
expressed during that wonderful climax, and the fierce 
protectiveness for Harry. 

 And contrary to popular belief, he DOES clean up rather well, while 
still retaining his mysterious hard edge (all qualities Oldman has 
in spades, which none of the other suggested actors have). 

 Plus, he actually looks like he could have attended Hogwarts at the 
same time as Snape (Rickman).

  Still your fluttering hormones and go by who actually fits Ms. 
Rowling's description and I guarantee, Oldman comes out on top 
everytime....I mean come on, Hugh Jackman???






From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri May  9 20:37:04 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:37:04 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkeban casting
Message-ID: <1a9.14612f28.2bed6b70@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/9/2003 11:08:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> out of all of Oldman's 
> movies, which ones have his 
> distracters seen?

I'm not a "detractor" but I just pictured Sirius as a "burly" kind of guy 
with a big build even when he was skinny after just getting out of Azkeban.  
Liam Neeson is big that way, as is Hugh Jackman.  Viggo is a wee bit leaner 
(finer boned) than I thought Sirius should be, but still suitable.  Gary 
Oldman is so fine-boned, he just doesn't fit the "big black dog" image I had 
as a dog or a man.  Okay, as for what things I've seen him in:  The Fifth 
Element; Imortal Beloved; Hannibal; Jesus; Lost in Space; Air Force One (he 
was REALLY nasty in that one!!); The Scarlet Letter; Murder in the First; 
Dracula; JFK; and The Firm.  (Thanks for the list, it was a good 
memory-jogger.)  He just isn't the physical type I pictured when reading the 
books, and that disappoints me.  Hugh Jackman, though -- he'd be wonderful in 
it!  Ah well.


Lynda 
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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 13:11:57 2003
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:11:57 -0000
Subject: Azakban casting
In-Reply-To: <20030508134033.4269.h013.c011.wm@mail.thequiltbug.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <b9g9et+fkeq@eGroups.com>

Hello!

I'm new to this list too and I've been all inspired by seeing the new 
film (well on DVD) and waiting for the new book to return to all 
things Pottery... 

Reading past posts, I feel that I'm in a minority when I write that I 
feel  that Gary Oldman is an inspired choice for Sirius Black. It's 
funny how everyone has a different version of their fav character in 
mind when reading the book (one of the advantages of reading over 
watching a film, I guess) but although MY Sirius Black resembled a 
somewhat more emaciated Dougray Scott, I think that Oldman will be OK 
(at worst). The audience need to be utterly convinced (as young Harry 
and the rest of the wizarding community are), that Sirius is a bad, 
mad and very, very dangerous to know. A review of Oldmans's 
filmography (several posts back) does show that if anything, Oldman 
is quite adept at playing up the "mad" side of characters (his 
nastiest one I think, was the crook cop he played in "The 
Professional"). Whether he can tone down his overacting enough to 
make you want to give him a hug at the end of the film, is hopefully 
where the director comes in (and thankfully, it isn't Chris Columbus 
this time). Most importantly of all, he does remind me of a staggly 
black labrador ;)  The rest of the casting seems perfect - David 
Thewlis is thin, long and mournful (and can act a treat), one of my 
fav. actors of all time, Tim Spall is perfect as the slothful and 
none-too bright Scabbers/Peter Pettigrew. Dame Edna would be great as 
Rita Skeeter but I think that she's definately based on a the fairly 
obnoxious comedian, Ruby Wax. Post's too long so I won't elaborate 
further. I'll end by stating that I honestly don't have any shares in 
the film (and am not related to Mr Oldman) but and am really, really 
glad that the books precede the films (enabling me to bring to life 
the characters to my own liking)!

Sara - Elf Liberation League 






From twelvecabins at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 00:15:27 2003
From: twelvecabins at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:15:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 570
In-Reply-To: <1052492712.517.79659.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030510001527.41483.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>


--- HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
>I'm just wondering why so many folks are questioning
>Gary Oldman (who I happen to think is perfect)?? 
>What's really guiding your 
>choices, adolescent fantasies (I thought this was >a
"grown up" forum) or actors who actually fit the
>part?

>Okay, I'm going to make a case for Mr. Oldman.. He's
>a fine actor, who will CONVINCINGLY make for the
>chilling mugshot he's suppose to 
>sport post-azkaban. Plus, he can pull off the
>intensity that is expressed during that wonderful
>climax, and the fierce protectiveness for Harry. 

>And contrary to popular belief, he DOES clean up
>rather well, while still retaining his mysterious
>hard edge (all qualities Oldman has 
>in spades, which none of the other suggested actors
>have). 

>Still your fluttering hormones and go by who actually
>fits Ms. Rowling's description and I guarantee,
>Oldman comes out on top everytime....I mean come on,
>Hugh Jackman???


Yeah, I will freely admit that I was hoping Sirius
would be portrayed as more of a handsome, if haunted,
man - and I see that hope as no reason to call
people's maturity into question. After all, Sirius was
described as quite handsome in the wedding photo, and
even post-Azkaban Harry came to recognize that same
man in the wasted prisoner before him when he finally
saw Sirius for what he was. By no means would I have
wanted the film makers to cast some twenty-something
pretty boy with no acting talent in the role. But I
believe I did imagine Sirius to have a physical
presence at least as commanding as Snape's - something
that Oldman, for all his talent, does not possess.

Looks aside, however, my primary concern is much like
that which Kriselda expressed: a doubt as to whether
Gary is suited to play a character who becomes a bit
like a father-figure to Harry - a fierce guardian, and
compassionate and loyal friend. With the exception of
a few of his earliest films, I have seen every movie
Oldman has made - including "Immortal Beloved" several
times over. There is no question that he is a
powerful, intense actor who can play characters that
are mysterious, passionate, sexy and scheming - and
thus I know he can pull off the "escaped murderer bent
on revenge" aspect of Sirius. It's the warmer, more
human side of the character that worries me. His
Beethoven was a brilliant, haunted, passionate genius;
yet that still doesn't convince me that he's right for
Sirius.

However, I am completely open to being pleasantly
surprised, as I very well may be. Indeed, I truly hope
I am. I don't think anyone is sitting around thinking,
"Oh, I really despise that casting choice. I think
he's going to be awful, I hope he's awful, and I hope
he ruins the whole experience for me." No one wants
that. Many of us did NOT read about Sirius (or read
his scenes now) and think of Gary Oldman, and I
believe we have the right to at least question the
choice with regard to our own mental picture of the
character. Hopefully we'll be proven wrong. But I
don't there's anything "adolescent" about voicing an
opinion concerning the casting of one of the books'
most beloved characters.

Sara


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From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 01:42:01 2003
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:42:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Azkaban Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9f7ft+c6db@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030510014201.63525.qmail@web21104.mail.yahoo.com>

Lorrie:
> I'm fairly new here, but I'm going
> to take a chance and throw my two
> knuts in.

Good!

<snip>
> I would have suggested Ciaran Hinds
> of the Royal Shakespeare Company.
> He played in a wonderful movie
> called "Persuasion". Tall, dark haired,
> a voice you know anywhere, and
> 'young' enough to play Sirius after
> 12 years in Azkaban.

Funny you should mention Hinds and 
"Persuasion" since it's from my 
impression of Hinds from that 
performance that I am hoping that 
Snape will turn out to have a 
milder-mannered brother. <g> Hinds 
reminds me of Rickman when Rickman 
has his claws sheathed.  Hinds was 
also very good as President Nemerov 
in Sum of All Fears.

Lynda, in parts:
> I'm not a "detractor"

<blush>  Note to self: must wean self 
off of the spellchecker...

> He just isn't the physical type
> I pictured when reading the
> books, and that disappoints me.

Yup, that's one of those problems in 
adapting books into visual images 
that no one has yet been able to 
overcome: how to conform to as many 
of the mental images held by the 
books' fans as possible when there's 
such variety.

Petra, wondering why she's aka "Pert Pan"
a       and "HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com"
n  :)

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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 03:30:06 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana Lucas)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:30:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Sum of All Fears ****
Message-ID: <20030510033006.34402.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>

Okay, to be honest, this movie was quite a bit better
than I expected it to be.  Ben Affleck was pretty good
in the part of Jack Ryan (previously played by Alec
Baldwin and Harrison Ford).  Liev Schriber was great! 

Many great actors have supporting parts including,
James Cromwell and Morgran Freeman.  I give it 4
stars.

"Jack Ryan goes into the field for the first time to
try to help the CIA stop a nuclear bomb from going off
somewhere in the USA."

Starring Ben Affleck, Morgan Freeman, Liev Schriber,
James Cromwell.  

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

The scenes of the bomb going off were pretty horrific,
but not extremely graphic, thank goodness. 

Diana
dianasdolls 

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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 03:36:31 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana Lucas)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Bourne Identity ****
Message-ID: <20030510033631.31787.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com>

Another movie that was better than I expected.  Matt
Damon was very cute... ;)  

I liked Franke Potente in the part - loved her in "Run
Lola Run" - and thought she and Damon made a cute
couple.  

The plot was sorta believable, but that really didn't
matter because the sparks between the lead actors was
enjoyable.

"Matt Damon plays a man who doesn't know who he is or
why he was found floating near death in the ocean. 
What he does know - fighting techniques, obsessive
observational skills, etc. - he has no idea why. On
his journey to discover who he is, Damon meets Potente
and tries to avoid being killed by two different
groups of people who want him dead."

Starring Matt Damon, Franke Potente, Chris Cooper,
Clive Owens

Diana
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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 03:41:55 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana Lucas)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Novacaine ***
Message-ID: <20030510034155.35478.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>

This Steve Martin movie was okay, I didn't guess the
ending, at least.  The narration was too distracting
for me and I think the movie would have been better
without it.  As it was, it did have some funny
moments, courtesy of Martin.  

Worth renting for some of the humorous scenes.  

"Dentist Martin has an established practice and a
pretty, perfect fiancee (Laura Dern)...but his growing
attraction to a new patient (Helena Bonham Carter),
who's also a drug addict, complicates his life."

Starring Steve Martin, Laura Dern, Helena Bonham
Carter

Diana
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From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 03:50:04 2003
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Novacaine ***
In-Reply-To: <20030510034155.35478.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030510035004.95743.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

Um, shouldn't this be on the OT list? What does this
have to do with Harry Potter?

~Kathryn
--- Diana Lucas <dianasdolls at yahoo.com> wrote:
> This Steve Martin movie was okay, I didn't guess the
> ending, at least.  The narration was too distracting
> for me and I think the movie would have been better
> without it.  As it was, it did have some funny
> moments, courtesy of Martin.  
> 


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sat May 10 03:57:11 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9fm3e+1frl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>

daughterofthedust recently mentioned:

>   I'm just wondering why so many folks are questioning Gary Oldman
>(who I happen to think is perfect)??  What's really guiding your
>choices, adolescent fantasies (I thought this was a "grown up"
>forum) or actors who actually fit the part?

Well, if you look at my original comments again, Gary Oldman's appearance 
(and whether I consider him sexy or not) wasn't part of my 
consideration.  My issue is that - based on what I've seen of his previous 
work, I can't see him projecting the warm heart that Sirius needs to have 
by the end of the film.  Quite simply, I can't see him giving a 13-year-old 
kid a hug -- or a kid WANTING to hug him, for that matter.  On a purely 
hormonal level, I don't have any issue with Oldman.  He's not someone I'd 
put in my top hunks I want to mosh with list, but he can be rather sexy 
when he wants to, and I certainly don't have a negative reaction to him :)

>  Okay, I'm going to make a case for Mr. Oldman.. He's a fine actor,
>who will CONVINCINGLY make for the chilling mugshot he's suppose to
>sport post-azkaban. Plus, he can pull off the intensity that is
>expressed during that wonderful climax, and the fierce
>protectiveness for Harry.

On this point, I agree - the intensity, fierceness, protectiveness, 
dangerousness and darkness that Sirius possesses - Oldman will do 
fine.  That part of what makes him a good villian. But Sirius must be 
someone we can believe would be capable of bonding VERY quickly with a 
young boy, and who that boy would be willing to trust completely, and I 
just can't see that in Oldman.  The other problem I have is that Oldman has 
a tendency to overact at times, to a point where, for me, it distracts from 
both the rest of the cast, and also the film itself.  That was one of the 
problems I had with him in "The Professional" - every time he was on the 
screen, I lost all track of what else was happening.

>  And contrary to popular belief, he DOES clean up rather well, while
>still retaining his mysterious hard edge (all qualities Oldman has
>in spades, which none of the other suggested actors have).

There we differ in opinion.  The other actors I mentioned were just some of 
the first ones I thought of that, in my opinion, do have a very hard edge 
to them, while still retaining warmth and heart.  Another I'd put in that 
category - though I don't think he'd be good as Sirius because a) he's 
probably too young, and b) he's not British would be Vincent 
D'Onofrio.  He's certainly not someone I'd describe as sexy, but his 
ability to make a single character be both dangerous and caring is 
impressive.

>  Plus, he actually looks like he could have attended Hogwarts at the
>same time as Snape (Rickman).

True, he does.

>   Still your fluttering hormones and go by who actually fits Ms.
>Rowling's description and I guarantee, Oldman comes out on top
>everytime....I mean come on, Hugh Jackman???

Hey, I'd just seen both X-Men and Kate & Leopold this week, so I'd seen 
both his harder, menacing Logan and te very sweet and trustworthy Leopold, 
so he very quickly came to mind.  Note that I had said I didn't have a 
definite candidate, but just some ideas of who I would think of as being 
more appropriate - that was my acknowledgement that the list wasn't 
perfect, but more an idea of the kind of performer I had in mind.

Since then, following the messages in this thread, though, I think I do 
know who I would consider as the best choice - Jeremy Irons.  I forgot 
(SORRY!) who mentioned him, but as soon as I read that it struck me as 
being very much right - right age, right culture (must be a Brit after 
all), able to look both very scraggly and worse-for-the-wear as well as 
dapper and handsome - without being too sexy (it's hard for even someone 
who's cleaned up a bit to look too sexy after 12 years in a horrid prison).

But, at the same time, I do know that Oldman has the role, and I'll be 
interested to see how he does.  It's been known to happen that someone I 
was skeptical of in a role came out just fine (for example, Tom Cruise as 
Lestat)...  but for a character I like as much as I like Sirius, well...   :)


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From doliesl at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 04:29:36 2003
From: doliesl at yahoo.com (doliesl)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 04:29:36 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <b9hv7g+tes1@eGroups.com>

> Well, if you look at my original comments again, Gary Oldman's 
appearance 
> (and whether I consider him sexy or not) wasn't part of my 
> consideration.  My issue is that - based on what I've seen of his 
previous 
> work, I can't see him projecting the warm heart that Sirius needs 
to have 
> by the end of the film.  Quite simply, I can't see him giving a 13-
year-old 
> kid a hug -- or a kid WANTING to hug him, for that matter. 

Gary Oldman IS a father in real life who does care for his son (as he 
said so). It's kinda absurd anyone would ever doubt he's some kind of 
freak who's clueless to the idea of "fatherly love'. And he IS a well-
known versatile "chameleon" actor of our time. 

And I don't understand the big fuss with doubting Gary's ability to 
expressed the so-called "warmth". Even when he was playing a monster 
(Dracula), he did show enough unconventional and 
unforgettable "warmth" to make him a sympathetic love-lorn vampire. 
The Dracula story was turn into a beautiful love story. Maybe 
not "warmth" as in the overtly cuddlely kind as in Hollywood romantic 
comedy's leading man.   

D. who's ditto on the "come on, Hugh Jackman!???"




From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Sat May 10 04:45:07 2003
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 04:45:07 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <b9i04j+prl6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa 
<thorswitch at t...> wrote:
> Well, if you look at my original comments again, Gary Oldman's 
appearance 
> (and whether I consider him sexy or not) wasn't part of my 
> consideration.  My issue is that - based on what I've seen of his 
previous 
> work, I can't see him projecting the warm heart that Sirius needs 
to have 
> by the end of the film.  Quite simply, I can't see him giving a 13-
year-old 
> kid a hug -- or a kid WANTING to hug him, for that matter.

Do you really think it's THAT difficult for a talented actor like 
Gary Oldman to show some fatherly warmth when the role requires it?! 
Just because he doesn't show that side in most of his past role 
doesn't mean he can't do it. I honestly couldn't understnad why is 
that such a big deal to some people at all. He is an ACTOR for christ 
sake! Just because most of Oldman's roles are villain/psycho doesn't 
mean he is really like that in person. Also, we're talking about a 
fantastic actor like Gary Oldman here, not Keanu Reeves.
Beside, Gary Oldman is a father himself in real life, even though I 
don't know him personally but I'm sure he is nice to his kid (and 
sure his son DO wants to hug him) in real life.  

Funny that I hardly see any male complaints about Gary Oldman, it's 
always female who complains. :P

Joan (who thinks Gary Oldman is a fantastic casting for Sirius)





From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 05:07:46 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Novacaine ***
In-Reply-To: <20030510034155.35478.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030510050746.34322.qmail@web13114.mail.yahoo.com>


Er, Diana?  Why are you posting reviews of what are
obviously not Harry Potter movies on this Harry Potter
films group?  It is 1:00 a.m. and I *am* fried, but
still...  ;-)

Odile

Diana wrote:

This Steve Martin movie was okay, I didn't guess the
ending, at least. The narration was too distracting
for me and I think the movie would have been better
without it. As it was, it did have some funny
moments, courtesy of Martin. 

Worth renting for some of the humorous scenes. 

"Dentist Martin has an established practice and a
pretty, perfect fiancee (Laura Dern)...but his growing
attraction to a new patient (Helena Bonham Carter),
who's also a drug addict, complicates his life."

Starring Steve Martin, Laura Dern, Helena Bonham
Carter

Diana
dianasdolls

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From buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 10 06:35:17 2003
From: buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Su?=)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:35:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Azakaban Casting
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Message-ID: <20030510063517.83685.qmail@web41502.mail.yahoo.com>


Not fimilar with Thewlis but I was watching GMTV the other day and I saw Paul Bettany there. He looks like he'd make a good Lupin too but then I don't really know much of his work either (except Knights Tale but I was'nt very keen on that.. but he was good as Chaucer)

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From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 08:46:42 2003
From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:46:42 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <b9ie9i+3l6i@eGroups.com>

 >I do know who I would consider as the best choice - Jeremy Irons.

*gasp!* Now that you mention it...He'd be perfect!! I can see him 
clearly portraying Sirius in my mind's eye!! :-) Good call!!

 I'll have to respectfully disagree with you about Jackman. Age 
and "looks" (too healthy and muscle-ly to me) aside, there are far 
too many wonderful better suited British actors (Irons!) to go for 
an Australian one.

 To change to subject slightly....I recently caught a trailer for 
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and was reminded of Jason 
Flemyng (look him up on imdb.com), who was also in The Red 
Violin...And Ithink he'd be a great choice for the older "cool" 
Weasley brother. ;-)  


 P.S. You liked Kate and Leopold?? It was waaay too sugary for me 
and that's saying alot. Oh well, to each her own. ;-)




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 16:40:34 2003
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:40:34 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9f3ph+c9sd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9ja22+fk32@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "tiggereh1987" <slaross at t...> 
Leigh, I agree with you about Gary Oldman (who seems the subject of 
heated debate a few threads below/above)... with respect to your 
other suggestions - 

> Barty Crouch Jr.
> I think Sean Bean would be perfect for that role - playing a crazy 
> would be a good stretch for him.
 
> Ludo Bagman
> Sean Bean would be a good choice for this as well, though I'm not 
> sure how many moves he would sign for, that's why I cast him as 
> Barty crouch jr. first.  others would be Nicholas lyndhurst, or 
> Reece dinsdale.
 

Poor old Sean Bean.. always the villain. As much as I'd like to see 
him on screen in as many movies as possible, I'm just hoping that JKR 
has yet to describe the character he'd be best suited to in the 
remaining three books. I think that he would be better suited to play 
Barty Crouch Jr. over Ludo - I'd always imagined Ludo as the 
archetypal "jock/rugby player" type (with apologies to all jocks &/or 
rugby players out here)... Sean is too slender in build to be too 
convincing as a retired (and presumably wee bit out of shape) ex-
Champion (IMO).An English version of someone like John Travolta is 
someone who'd be better suited (again, IMHO)however I unfortunately 
can't think of someone like this off-hand. Any more suggestions?

> Narcissa Malfoy
> Joanna Lumley would be brilliant at this.

I agree with you though I think that Joely or (probably better) 
Natasha Richardson would also be great at playing "Stuck up blonde 
aristocrat" (wasn't Natasha in "Bridget Jones' Diary?") .. they'd be 
a bit better matched in age with Jason Isaacs too (though evil is 
ageless, I guess!).Kristin Scott-Thomas has been somewhat typecast in 
the past as a snooty aristocrat so I think that it would be a *bit* 
boring seeing her do it all again. 
 
Sara (ELL)




From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 17:58:19 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:58:19 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9ja22+fk32@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9jejr+need@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> wrote:

> Poor old Sean Bean.. always the villain. As much as I'd like to see 
> him on screen in as many movies as possible, I'm just hoping that JKR 
> has yet to describe the character he'd be best suited to in the 
> remaining three books. I think that he would be better suited to play 
> Barty Crouch Jr. over Ludo - I'd always imagined Ludo as the 
> archetypal "jock/rugby player" type (with apologies to all jocks &/or 
> rugby players out here)... Sean is too slender in build to be too 
> convincing as a retired (and presumably wee bit out of shape) ex-
> Champion (IMO).An English version of someone like John Travolta is 
> someone who'd be better suited (again, IMHO)however I unfortunately 
> can't think of someone like this off-hand. Any more suggestions?

Stephen Fry! He's got the nose, he's got the out of shape bit too. ;-)
He would be the most perfect Ludo.

Irene





From twelvecabins at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 18:05:34 2003
From: twelvecabins at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 571
In-Reply-To: <1052576475.950.86477.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030510180534.29645.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>


--- HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
>Since then, following the messages in this thread,
>though, I think I do know who I would consider as
>the best choice - Jeremy Irons.  I forgot (SORRY!)
>who mentioned him, but as soon as I read that it
>struck me as being very much right - right age,
>right culture (must be a Brit after all), able to
>look both very scraggly and worse-for-the-wear as
>well as dapper and handsome - without being too sexy
>(it's hard for even someone who's cleaned up a bit
>to look too sexy after 12 years in a horrid prison).

I'll happily take credit for that. :) Irons would have
been wonderful, for all of the reasons that you
mentioned - and I would especially have loved to see
him go up against Alan! He has a comparable bearing
and presence, and he can switch back and forth from
mysterious and menacing to gentle and tormented. Plus,
he's a motorcycle enthusiast in real life, and seeing
him pictured working on one was, I think, what
inspired me to think of him for Sirius in the first
place. ;)

But, as I said, I am perfectly willing to give Oldman
a chance. I have loved him for years now - I'm
certainly no detractor of his in general. It's simply
that he is one of the last actors I would ever have
imagined in that role.

Sara

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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sat May 10 18:26:42 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:26:42 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9hv7g+tes1@eGroups.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030510131445.00b82260@mail.kriselda.net>

doliesl recently mentioned:

> > My issue is that - based on what I've seen of his previous
> > work, I can't see him projecting the warm heart that Sirius needs to have
> > by the end of the film.  Quite simply, I can't see him giving a 
> 13-year-old
> > kid a hug -- or a kid WANTING to hug him, for that matter.
>
>Gary Oldman IS a father in real life who does care for his son (as he
>said so). It's kinda absurd anyone would ever doubt he's some kind of
>freak who's clueless to the idea of "fatherly love'. And he IS a well-
>known versatile "chameleon" actor of our time.

I didn't say he was "clueless" to the idea of "fatherly love", just that in 
his performances (and I've never seen anything of him "out of character", 
so I have no idea how he comes across when he's just being Gary Oldman) 
he's never been someone I could see having a tender relationship with a child.

Something to keep in mind, though, is that what a person is or feels in 
real life doesn't always equal what they can do or show on screen.  There 
have been plenty of times that I've watched a program or movie in which a 
real-life couple is playing on-screen lovers, and the chemistry on the 
screen is as flat as a can of soda that's been left open for a year. 
Whatever they may feel for each other in real life, it doesn't come across 
when they're acting.  With Oldman, he may well be a wonderful father (and 
I'm not doubting that he is, as I said, I just don't know anything about 
how he is off camera), but I've never seen anything from him that tells me 
he can play that on-screen.  It's an opinion based on what I've observed, 
and nothing more

>And I don't understand the big fuss with doubting Gary's ability to
>expressed the so-called "warmth". Even when he was playing a monster
>(Dracula), he did show enough unconventional and
>unforgettable "warmth" to make him a sympathetic love-lorn vampire.

See, this is one place we have a significant difference of opinion.  At no 
point during that movie did I buy his being a sympathetic 
character.  "Dracula" is one of my husband's favourite movies, so I've seen 
it a good number of times, but I simply wasn't impressed by anyone's 
performance in it.

>The Dracula story was turn into a beautiful love story. Maybe
>not "warmth" as in the overtly cuddlely kind as in Hollywood romantic
>comedy's leading man.

I would never expect Dracula to be "cuddly" in the least, but nothing in 
that particular telling of the story struck me as Dracula being in love - 
only obsessed, and they are very different feelings.  I never got the 
feeling that he actually cared for or loved Mina at all - merely that he 
was driven to possess her.  Any consideration showed to her wasn't out of 
concern for her well-being but because Dracula knew if he pushed her too 
hard or the wrong way, he would lose her, and that was what had to be 
avoided.  The way I saw it, there was nothing romantic there at all -- but 
that's my opinion on it, and obviously others (including my husband) 
disagree.


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sat May 10 18:41:43 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:41:43 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9i04j+prl6@eGroups.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030510132829.02420e00@mail.kriselda.net>

Kewpie recently mentioned:

>Do you really think it's THAT difficult for a talented actor like
>Gary Oldman to show some fatherly warmth when the role requires it?!
>Just because he doesn't show that side in most of his past role
>doesn't mean he can't do it.

True - I've just never seen anything that indicates he can, either.

>  I honestly couldn't understnad why is
>that such a big deal to some people at all. He is an ACTOR for christ
>sake! Just because most of Oldman's roles are villain/psycho doesn't
>mean he is really like that in person.

I never said it did.

I know there are apparently a lot of people who consider Oldman to be a 
good actor, and apparently they're seeing something I simply haven't seen 
yet.  Every character I've seen him play has been very cold, distant, and, 
generally, either outright evil or at least "very bad" (morally). As I was 
commenting in my other message, even in "Dracula", I didn't sense any 
warmth or "love" from the character at all.  No, this doesn't mean he CAN'T 
do it, but even in characters (like the aforementioned "Dracula") where 
some sense of love might be expected, I didn't see it.  That makes me 
wonder if he can do it.  He may very well surprise the daylights out of me, 
and I hope he does.  I really like the Sirius character a great deal and 
want to see it done well in the movie - and while I'm very doubtful of his 
ability to pull it off, I have no problem admitting that he might.

>Also, we're talking about a
>fantastic actor like Gary Oldman here, not Keanu Reeves.

For which we can all be quite thankful.  :)  (The idea of Keanu Reeves 
showing up in the "Harry Potter" world -- as ANYTHING! -- just sent me into 
fits of laughter - thank you for that! I needed a good laugh)

>Beside, Gary Oldman is a father himself in real life, even though I
>don't know him personally but I'm sure he is nice to his kid (and
>sure his son DO wants to hug him) in real life.

Quite probably - but please do remember, I'm speaking only from what I've 
seen of him in his performances.  I know NOTHING about the man off-screen, 
so all I can go by is what I've seen him do previously

 > Funny that I hardly see any male complaints about Gary Oldman, it's
>always female who complains. :P

I've not been on this list long, but I've not seen many male comments at all :)

 > Joan (who thinks Gary Oldman is a fantastic casting for Sirius)

And I really do hope he lives up more to your expectations than mine


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sat May 10 18:46:45 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:46:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9ie9i+3l6i@eGroups.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030509223232.00b584c0@mail.kriselda.net>
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daughterofthedust recently mentioned:

>  >I do know who I would consider as the best choice - Jeremy Irons.
>
>*gasp!* Now that you mention it...He'd be perfect!! I can see him
>clearly portraying Sirius in my mind's eye!! :-) Good call!!

You can thank Sara for that one :)

>  I'll have to respectfully disagree with you about Jackman. Age
>and "looks" (too healthy and muscle-ly to me) aside, there are far
>too many wonderful better suited British actors (Irons!) to go for
>an Australian one.

Makes sense - I'm mainly familiar with the British actors who are more well 
known in the states, so there's probably a bunch I've overlooked...  but I 
do love Irons' work.  Maybe they'll figure out some place to put him yet :)

>  To change to subject slightly....I recently caught a trailer for
>The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and was reminded of Jason
>Flemyng (look him up on imdb.com), who was also in The Red
>Violin...And Ithink he'd be a great choice for the older "cool"
>Weasley brother. ;-)

I'll have to look him up

>  P.S. You liked Kate and Leopold?? It was waaay too sugary for me
>and that's saying alot. Oh well, to each her own. ;-)

Oh, no, I didn't exactly like it - it was cute, and inoffensive enough, but 
not what I'd call "good".  I just liked Jackman's performance in it (and 
very different from both "X-Men" and "Swordfish"), and, when there's 
nothing else on TV and I'm alone in the house, it makes for good background 
noise :)


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From huntleyl at mssm.org  Sat May 10 19:27:36 2003
From: huntleyl at mssm.org (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:27:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
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Message-ID: <005d01c3172a$36936340$4301a8c0@huntleyl>


----- Original Message -----
From: "daughterofthedust" <daughterofthedust at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:41 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting

daughterofthedust:
>   I'm just wondering why so many folks are questioning Gary Oldman
> (who I happen to think is perfect)??  What's really guiding your
> choices, adolescent fantasies (I thought this was a "grown up"
> forum) or actors who actually fit the part?

Ouch.

^_~ Honestly, any actor who's old enough to play Sirius is *way* out of my
age range.  And I don't get crushes on older men.  That said, Oldman just
does *not* fit my mental image of Sirius in any form.  However, I trust
Cuaron and all the people working PoA, and I *do* fully expect them to make
it work.

But you can't blame me for being just a little disappointed at the moment,
can you?  Just like I can't blame you for thinking that Oldman is nothing
less than perfect?  I didn't think so.

Laura





From jmmears at comcast.net  Sat May 10 19:30:08 2003
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:30:08 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9jejr+need@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9jk00+7v1j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" 
<irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
<Concerning the casting of Ludo Bagman>
> Stephen Fry! He's got the nose, he's got the out of shape bit 
too. ;-)
> He would be the most perfect Ludo.



Oh yes, Irene! I couldn't agree more.  I don't know if you've heard 
any of the Potter books read by Stephen Fry, but he's really 
wonderful and has been my imaginary Bagman ever since I heard him 
read GoF.

Besides, he *was* JKR's first choice to do the audio versions of the 
books, so it would be especially wonderful to see him in the films.

Jo Serenadust




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 23:05:19 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 23:05:19 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting (GOF)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <b9k0jf+o9jl@eGroups.com>

When I heard Gary Oldman was cast, I went, "Huh?"  Too bad he's not a 
Brit, but I pictured Michael Wincott as Sirius.  He just fits the 
bill for me.  I can't picture anyone else in my head but Hugh Grant 
as Lupin, but Ralph Fiennes would have been great!  Alan Rickman 
would have made a great Sirius, Lupin or Lucius Malfoy when you think 
about it.  I can see Ewan McGregor as Crouch, Jr., and Tracey Ullman 
as Professor Trelawney or Rita Skeeter.




From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 23:39:52 2003
From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Issues and suggestions
In-Reply-To: <b9k0jf+o9jl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030510233952.72749.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>

Well first I want to thank everyone for the spirited discussion of my earlier questions (Film Theorist Question) and it was quite a joy to read people with a passion for what they say.  My apologies for not writing back but I felt my questions were answered. Onto my thoughts on the above subjects.  Personally I find that this is a favorite topic of discussion for me as the "what if's" are always fun.  I too like many of you, saw the movies before reading the books and thus have the pictures of the actors in my head while reading the next books.  This probably stunts my clear mindedness but i must say that my original feeling towards Sirius was Robert Carlye (SP?) from Full Monty & James Bond fame.  He always conveyed the "rebel" yet lovable hero in Full Monty and still the backstabbed Villian in World Is not Enuff.  It seemed that he could convey the "escaped villian" and the "firece Loyalist" that is nessary in the role.  And thus in future films he will still have both aspects.   Which brings me to a point.  I always thought that Alan Rickman seemed a little older then he should.  If James & Lily are conveyed as parents to a young boy then they should be in their Mid 30's when they had him.  This we can see in the Mirror scenes from SS.  Thus Sirius & Lupin and so forth should be around the same age so now they would be ealry 40's or so.  How old is Rickman?  With his makeup and such he seems in his 50's. Oldman (pardon the pun) does seem like an old man.  Thats why seeing Robert with a young son in the Full Monty seemed to fit.   --Matt P.S. if this was the case though then Lupin (the best friend) should have been the best friend from the Full Monty as well, and that wouldn't work now would it   :)


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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 00:34:39 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:34:39 -0000
Subject: Novacaine ***
Message-ID: <b9k5qv+adae@eGroups.com>

This Steve Martin movie was okay, I didn't guess the
ending, at least. The narration was too distracting
for me and I think the movie would have been better
without it. As it was, it did have some funny
moments, courtesy of Martin. 

Worth renting for some of the humorous scenes. 

"Dentist Martin has an established practice and a
pretty, perfect fiancee (Laura Dern)...but his growing
attraction to a new patient (Helena Bonham Carter),
who's also a drug addict, complicates his life."

Starring Steve Martin, Laura Dern, Helena Bonham
Carter

Diana
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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 00:37:59 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:37:59 -0000
Subject: A HUGE SORRY for WRONG POSTS! + casting Trelawney news?
Message-ID: <b9k617+g9t8@eGroups.com>

I'm very sorry everyone - my email address book flipped out and sent 
those three movie review posts to the WRONG MOVIE LIST!  ARRRGGH!  
And when I tried it again, the last one went through to the wrong 
one again.   Luckily, I think I've fixed the problem and it won't do 
it again.  Sorry.  

BTW, has anyone heard if they've cast Professor Trelawney yet?  I've 
been looking for news, but haven't found any yet.  

Diana





From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 00:42:06 2003
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:42:06 -0000
Subject: Novacaine *** <sent to wrong list + Cho Chang news?
In-Reply-To: <20030510035004.95743.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b9k68u+krcv@eGroups.com>

Kathryn,

   Um, it has nothing to do with Harry Potter.  This email got sent 
to the WRONG yahoogroups list thanks to my address book flipping 
out.  Sorry.  


Has anyone heard if Cho Chang is definitely not going to be in PoA?  
So far, I've heard nothing about casting her or anything definite 
about that charater getting cut out.  

Diana


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Wolber 
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> Um, shouldn't this be on the OT list? What does this
> have to do with Harry Potter?
> 
> ~Kathryn
> --- Diana Lucas <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:
> > This Steve Martin movie was okay, I didn't guess the
> > ending, at least.  The narration was too distracting
> > for me and I think the movie would have been better
> > without it.  As it was, it did have some funny
> > moments, courtesy of Martin.  
> > 
> 
> 
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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 04:56:05 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 04:56:05 -0000
Subject: Casting Issues and suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20030510233952.72749.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b9kl55+1ej8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber <mhuber92211 at y...> 
wrote:
<snip>
Which brings me to a point.  I always thought that Alan Rickman 
seemed a little older then he should.  If James & Lily are conveyed 
as parents to a young boy then they should be in their Mid 30's when 
they had him.  This we can see in the Mirror scenes from SS.  Thus 
Sirius & Lupin and so forth should be around the same age so now they 
would be ealry 40's or so.  How old is Rickman?  With his makeup and 
such he seems in his 50's. Oldman (pardon the pun) does seem like an 
old man.  Thats why seeing Robert with a young son in the Full Monty 
seemed to fit.   --Matt P.S. if this was the case though then Lupin 
(the best friend) should have been the best friend from the Full 
Monty as well, and that wouldn't work now would it   :)

ME:

Alan Rickman is 52 I believe.  However, the character of Snape is in 
his 30s.  JKR refers to him as 35ish.  So, Harry's parents had him 
when they were quite young.  As someone who read the books first, the 
parents in the film were too old.  Since Rickman is cast as Snape, 
any new cast members would have to be older, since they all went to 
Hogwarts at the same time.  Oldman is in his 40s, right?




From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sun May 11 05:37:25 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:37:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting (GOF)
In-Reply-To: <b9k0jf+o9jl@eGroups.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030507150040.00b95a50@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511002848.02927ad8@mail.kriselda.net>

Marci recently mentioned:

>When I heard Gary Oldman was cast, I went, "Huh?"  Too bad he's not a
>Brit, but I pictured Michael Wincott as Sirius.

Eh....  maybe.  I'm still sold on Irons :)

>   He just fits the
>bill for me.  I can't picture anyone else in my head but Hugh Grant
>as Lupin

Oh dear...  I can't quite make that work inside my head at all

>but Ralph Fiennes would have been great!

Maybe - I can see him more easily than Grant, but I think part of the 
problem with both of them is that they're generally very dapper in the 
roles they take (I know, not always, but generally), so its hard for me to 
see either of them in the tattered clothes and rather run-down shape Lupin 
seems to be in. I actually think David Thewlis will do a great job with 
that one (now that I know who he is *g*)

>Alan Rickman
>would have made a great Sirius, Lupin or Lucius Malfoy when you think
>about it.

Too bad they can't clone him :)

>I can see Ewan McGregor as Crouch, Jr.

For some reason, I always end up picturing Stephen Rea in that role.  No 
idea why, either - it's not like I'm a big fan of his, but that's just the 
image that spring unbidden into my head :)

As much as I love Ewan, though, I haven't come across any characters in the 
books yet that I'd pick him for...

>and Tracey Ullman
>as Professor Trelawney or Rita Skeeter.

Skeeter, definitely - I can see Ullman doing her beautifully!




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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Sun May 11 05:38:13 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 01:38:13 EDT
Subject: Lavender in COS???
Message-ID: <187.199d076d.2bef3bc5@aol.com>

I just noticed something after rewatching CoS for about the  50th time.  In 
the greenhouse scene when nevilee faints everyone turns towards him and  
standing right beside Professor Sprout, red/gold Gryfinndor tie proudly 
displayed is a cute little  blond. . . .Lavender. . I doubt its Parvati.  

Just an observation albeit a late one


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sun May 11 05:48:02 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:48:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Issues and suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20030510233952.72749.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
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Matt Huber recently mentioned:

>This probably stunts my clear mindedness but i must say that my original 
>feeling towards Sirius was Robert Carlye (SP?) from Full Monty & James 
>Bond fame.  He always conveyed the "rebel" yet lovable hero in Full Monty 
>and still the backstabbed Villian in World Is not Enuff.  It seemed that 
>he could convey the "escaped villian" and the "firece Loyalist" that is 
>nessary in the role.  And thus in future films he will still have both aspects.

Oh, now that IS a good suggestion.  I could also see him convincingly as 
Lupin...

>How old is Rickman?

He's 57

>With his makeup and such he seems in his 50's. Oldman (pardon the pun) 
>does seem like an old man.

He's 45

Of some of the others mentioned, Jeremy Irons is 55, Viggo Mortensen (not 
British, so he doesn't really count) is 45, Hugh Jackman is 35, so he 
definitely is way to young for the part (mea culpa), Robert Carlyle is 42, 
Liam Neeson is 53... any I forgot to look up?  :)


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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Sun May 11 06:47:25 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:47:25 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Issues and suggestions
Message-ID: <137.1f706206.2bef4bfd@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2003 12:49:59 AM Central Standard Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> He's 45
> 
> Of some of the others mentioned, Jeremy Irons is 55, Viggo Mortensen (not 
> British, so he doesn't really count) is 45, Hugh Jackman is 35, so he 
> definitely is way to young for the part (mea culpa), Robert Carlyle is 42, 
> Liam Neeson is 53... any I forgot to look up?  :)
> 
> 

Ironically I think that Hugh Jackman is probably the only one who is 
chronologically the correct age to be Sirius . . I have the feeling that 
James and Lily had Harry young probably around 21/22 add 13 years to that and 
we have 34/35.  They went against age when they cast Rickman.   


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From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 15:42:47 2003
From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 15:42:47 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3172a$36936340$4301a8c0@huntleyl>
Message-ID: <b9lr1n+ho0m@eGroups.com>


 
"Laura Ingalls Huntley" 
> That said, Oldman just does *not* fit my mental image of Sirius in 
>any form.  However, I trust Cuaron and all the people working PoA, 
>and I *do* fully expect them to make it work.


Cool. I'm sure I was pretty harsh, but I just thought that it had 
gotten rather ridculous for people to be upset that Oldman doesn't 
fit their "mental image" and then want someone who is physically 
more attractive, but doesn't have the skills, isn't right age-wise, 
or isn't even English just because they do fit their "mental image". 
It just smacks of women living down to a certain expectation, IMO 
(i.e. the "Sirius" fantasies).



> But you can't blame me for being just a little disappointed at the 
moment,can you?  

Nope, not if your hormones have nothing to do with your 
dissapointment... ;-)  And if not, I most definitely was not 
referring to you. 


>Just like I can't blame you for thinking that Oldman is nothing
> less than perfect?  

Not, since my opinion is based primarily on what he can bring acting-
wise and not "mental image" wise to the table....But you know, it is 
fun to imagine...





From WFeuchter at msn.com  Sun May 11 16:21:35 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:21:35 -0000
Subject: Casting Discussion
Message-ID: <b9ltaf+acrn@eGroups.com>

It strikes me that an awful lot of discussion is going on with 
regard to who should or should not play Sirrus. For heavens sake he 
is a relatively minor character (up to this point). So far his only 
purpose is to:

a: help develope Harry's character
b: explain some early history
c: explain Azkaban prison and the dementors

In GOF he has an even smaller roll and provides little additional 
plot development other than give Harry support.

That is not to say that in latter books that he might become a major 
player, but it is doubtful. Remember it is called Harry Potter and...





From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 19:22:43 2003
From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:22:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Issues and suggestions
In-Reply-To: <b9kl55+1ej8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030511192243.9068.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>

too bad Jean Reno from "Leon: The Professional" & Mission Impossible 1 is french and not british.  Would be perfect as well

Marci <blackgold101 at yahoo.com> wrote:--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Matt Huber <mhuber92211 at y...> 
wrote:
<snip>
Which brings me to a point.  I always thought that Alan Rickman 
seemed a little older then he should.  If James & Lily are conveyed 
as parents to a young boy then they should be in their Mid 30's when 
they had him.  This we can see in the Mirror scenes from SS.  Thus 
Sirius & Lupin and so forth should be around the same age so now they 
would be ealry 40's or so.  How old is Rickman?  With his makeup and 
such he seems in his 50's. Oldman (pardon the pun) does seem like an 
old man.  Thats why seeing Robert with a young son in the Full Monty 
seemed to fit.   --Matt P.S. if this was the case though then Lupin 
(the best friend) should have been the best friend from the Full 
Monty as well, and that wouldn't work now would it   :)

ME:

Alan Rickman is 52 I believe.  However, the character of Snape is in 
his 30s.  JKR refers to him as 35ish.  So, Harry's parents had him 
when they were quite young.  As someone who read the books first, the 
parents in the film were too old.  Since Rickman is cast as Snape, 
any new cast members would have to be older, since they all went to 
Hogwarts at the same time.  Oldman is in his 40s, right?


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From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Sun May 11 19:51:54 2003
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:51:54 -0000
Subject: Casting Discussion
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" <WFeuchter at m...> wrote:
> It strikes me that an awful lot of discussion is going on with 
> regard to who should or should not play Sirrus. For heavens sake he 
> is a relatively minor character (up to this point). 


But you've forgotten. Sirius is "dead sexy." Ugh. Those of us who 
can't seem to resist putting adult feelings into the books are 
thrilled to have a sexy character to converse about!!
JenD




From cherryflip at clara.co.uk  Sun May 11 20:01:54 2003
From: cherryflip at clara.co.uk (Jodi Bailey)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:01:54 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
References: <b9jejr+need@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c317f8$2c7ca3c0$a8787ad5@oemcomputer>


----- Original Message -----
From: "irene_mikhlin" <irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com>

>
> Stephen Fry! He's got the nose, he's got the out of shape bit too. ;-)
> He would be the most perfect Ludo.
>

ITA, he's the image I've always had in my mind for Ludo Bagman, I think it
was the "very overgrown schoolboy" part of the description that made me
think of him :o)

I was thinking the other day about who I could see as Rita Skeeter because
somehow the various suggestions so far just haven't worked for me, and it
suddenly occurred to me that Jenny Eclair would be perfect. She has the
look, and she could certainly do the venom. Personally I find her deeply
irritating which may be why she seems so right for Rita ;o)

    Jodi




From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 11 23:25:18 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:25:18 -0000
Subject: Azkaban casting (GOF)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511002848.02927ad8@mail.kriselda.net>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa 
<thorswitch at t...> wrote:
> > >but Ralph Fiennes would have been great!
> 
> Maybe - I can see him more easily than Grant, but I think part of 
the 
> problem with both of them is that they're generally very dapper in 
the 
> roles they take (I know, not always, but generally), so its hard 
for me to 
> see either of them in the tattered clothes and rather run-down 
shape Lupin 
> seems to be in.  

The very first time I saw Ralph Fiennes (my not-picked candidate for 
Lupin), he played the extremely evil Nazi commandant in Schindler's 
List. He was extremely *not* dapper; in fact he looked bloated and 
not particularly good looking (i.e. nothing like his real self). So 
I'm convinced he could also play gaunt and haunted, which would be 
the other extreme.

Anne U
(who thinks Tim Roth could have made a good Wormtail)





From jmchik246 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 00:56:15 2003
From: jmchik246 at yahoo.com (Kate)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:56:15 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <006d01c317f8$2c7ca3c0$a8787ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <b9mrff+b9ku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jodi Bailey" <cherryflip at c...> 
wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "irene_mikhlin" <irene_mikhlin at y...>
> 
> >
> > Stephen Fry! He's got the nose, he's got the out of shape bit 
too. ;-)
> > He would be the most perfect Ludo.
> >
> 
> ITA, he's the image I've always had in my mind for Ludo Bagman, I 
think it
> was the "very overgrown schoolboy" part of the description that 
made me
> think of him :o)
> 

Someone on this list quite a while ago suggested Eddie Izzard as 
Bagman.  IMO, I think he wolud be great for the role.  Even if I'm 
completely wrong and he isn't all well suited for the role I would 
still love it for my favorite comedian to be a part of the HP series.

Kate




From geri510 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 01:14:20 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 01:14:20 -0000
Subject: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9mrff+b9ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9mshc+pckn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <jmchik246 at y...> wrote:
> Someone on this list quite a while ago suggested Eddie Izzard as 
> Bagman.  IMO, I think he wolud be great for the role.  Even if I'm 
> completely wrong and he isn't all well suited for the role I would 
> still love it for my favorite comedian to be a part of the HP 
series.
> 
> Kate


I remember mentioning his name previously, but I don't think TPTB 
would cast a man in a woman's role even if he was the best person 
for the job (IMO), it is a kid's movie.




From huntleyl at mssm.org  Mon May 12 02:31:54 2003
From: huntleyl at mssm.org (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:31:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
References: <b9mrff+b9ku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008901c3182e$a8ca5360$4301a8c0@huntleyl>

Kate:
> Someone on this list quite a while ago suggested Eddie Izzard as
> Bagman.  IMO, I think he would be great for the role.  Even if I'm
> completely wrong and he isn't all well suited for the role I would
> still love it for my favorite comedian to be a part of the HP series.

Eddie Izzard!! Eddie Izzard!! Oh, oh, oh!  I luuuuurve him! *jumps up and
down in a fan-girl sort of way*.

That said, I can't really see him as Bagman...Bagman just seems like the
kind of guy who's just sooooooo impressed/obsessed with his own masculinity.
Which, um...isn't really Eddie Izzard's style.

Laura (who has many a fond memory rolling around on the floor laughing with
20 other students while watching Eddie Izzard videos)





From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 12 03:18:55 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:18:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban casting (GOF)
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Anne recently mentioned:

>The very first time I saw Ralph Fiennes (my not-picked candidate for
>Lupin), he played the extremely evil Nazi commandant in Schindler's
>List. He was extremely *not* dapper; in fact he looked bloated and
>not particularly good looking (i.e. nothing like his real self). So
>I'm convinced he could also play gaunt and haunted, which would be
>the other extreme.

True - I've not seen Schindler's List (not sure why, just haven't ever 
gotten around to it), so I'm not familiar with his performance in that...

>(who thinks Tim Roth could have made a good Wormtail)

Oh, yeah, Tim Roth would have been great for that



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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 12 03:26:57 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:26:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
In-Reply-To: <b9mrff+b9ku@eGroups.com>
References: <006d01c317f8$2c7ca3c0$a8787ad5@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030511222529.01f8e008@mail.kriselda.net>

Kate recently mentioned:

>Someone on this list quite a while ago suggested Eddie Izzard as
>Bagman.  IMO, I think he wolud be great for the role.  Even if I'm
>completely wrong and he isn't all well suited for the role I would
>still love it for my favorite comedian to be a part of the HP series.

I'd love for them to find a place for Eddie in the movies, but I don't know 
yet what role it would be....  I must say though, the way that Kenneth 
Brannaugh (who was fantastic as Lockhart) reminded me a great deal of 
Eddie's performance in "Velvet Goldmine".  It was kinda of funny, really :)


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 12 05:55:56 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 01:55:56 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lavender in COS???
Message-ID: <97.3890ef28.2bf0916c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/03 1:38:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Meliss9900 at aol.com writes:

> 
> 
> I just noticed something after rewatching CoS for about the  50th time.  In 
> 
> the greenhouse scene when nevilee faints everyone turns towards him and  
> standing right beside Professor Sprout, red/gold Gryfinndor tie proudly 
> displayed is a cute little  blond. . . .Lavender. . I doubt its Parvati.  
> 
> Just an observation albeit a late one
> 

What about Millicent Bulstrode??  I think she is the one next to Goyle.

Kyle Longbottom 


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon May 12 13:20:54 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:20:54 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SS/PS Chess set
Message-ID: <179.1a28904e.2bf0f9b6@aol.com>

Thought y'all would like to know:  the 12th century chess set used as the 
model for the big Wizard Chess set in SS/PS is on display as part of a show 
called "All the Queen's Horses" at the Kentucky Horse Park: The Role of the 
Horse in British History" running through August 24.  The Kentucky Horse Park 
is located just north of Lexington, on I-75, exit 119.  It's well worth a 
visit anyway -- hundreds of acres of rolling bluegrass pastures, 
representative horses from many of the breeds of the world, beautiful antique 
barns, carriage rides, horse rides, The Museum of the Horse, all kinds of 
wonderful stuff. But that chess set in the movie totally amazed me (sculptor 
that I am) and I'm going to make a trip down there to see the original.  
Thought y'all would like to know about it.  Do a search online for the 
Kentucky Horse Park, there's probably more information on their site (I saw 
an article in the newspaper about it).



Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon May 12 17:22:59 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:22:59 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman casting
Message-ID: <bc.37f238a6.2bf13273@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:53:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> From: "daughterofthedust" <daughterofthedust at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting
> 
> 
> 
> "Laura Ingalls Huntley" 
> >That said, Oldman just does *not* fit my mental image of Sirius in 
> >any form.  However, I trust Cuaron and all the people working PoA, 
> >and I *do* fully expect them to make it work.
> 
> 
> Cool. I'm sure I was pretty harsh, but I just thought that it had 
> gotten rather ridculous for people to be upset that Oldman doesn't 
> fit their "mental image" and then want someone who is physically 
> more attractive, but doesn't have the skills, isn't right age-wise, 
> or isn't even English just because they do fit their "mental image". 
> It just smacks of women living down to a certain expectation, IMO 
> (i.e. the "Sirius" fantasies).
> 
> 
> 
> >But you can't blame me for being just a little disappointed at the 
> moment,can you?  
> 
> Nope, not if your hormones have nothing to do with your 
> dissapointment... ;-)  And if not, I most definitely was not 
> referring to you. 
> 
> 
> >Just like I can't blame you for thinking that Oldman is nothing
> >less than perfect?  
> 
> Not, since my opinion is based primarily on what he can bring acting-
> wise and not "mental image" wise to the table....But you know, it is 
> fun to imagine...
> 
I'm getting pretty tired of some of us being labeled as having hormonal 
problems because we had a visual image of Sirius as a larger-framed man than 
Gary Oldman.  Let's keep these topics on the subject and stop attacks that 
are uncalled for and inaccurate.  I am an artist and read "visually" so I do 
visualize characters and scenes based on what I'm reading.  From the 
description of Sirius in the book, he has dark hair (Oldman doesn't but 
neither does Rickman -- that's what wigs are for) and was handsome in the 
wedding photos and sounded like he had a large build (Oldman can be 
attractive, but not "handsome" in the usual sense of the word, IMO, to which 
I am entitled).  I'm American and don't really care who's Brit and who's 
Aussie or Kiwi -- UK accents give me the "ambiance" of England whether the 
actor is British or Aussie or whatever (I know there are "broad" Aussie 
accents like Southern or Boston accents, and I grant you that kind of accent 
wouldn't work -- I'm speaking in generalities here).  Those of you who can 
tell the accent of one neighborhood in London from another are welcome to 
criticize the actors' accents -- my only problem with accents is when Malfoy 
sounds like an uneducated street tough with a mouthful of marbles (maybe he 
had braces then, who knows) which was not only out of character, but made it 
harder to understand his lines.  Oldman is a good character actor.  There are 
lots of other actors who are good actors as well as having the larger build 
and the kind of looks apparently many of us expected Sirius to have.  I 
expect the movie will be wonderful and we will believe Oldman is Sirius, but 
I hope to be able to enjoy his performance without further memories of people 
having attacked other people for having a case of "hormones" when they 
expressed their opinions on who might have done a good job in this -- or any 
other -- part.

Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Mon May 12 13:20:36 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (Coble, Katherine)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:20:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F14@teserver01.treat.net>



> ----------
> From: 	Laura Ingalls Huntley
> Reply To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 	Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:31 PM
> To: 	HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: 	Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting
> 
> Kate:
> > Someone on this list quite a while ago suggested Eddie Izzard as
> > Bagman.   IMO, I think he would be great for the role.   
Laura:
	>Eddie Izzard!! Eddie Izzard!! Oh, oh, oh!   I luuuuurve him! *jumps
up and
> down in a fan-girl sort of way*.
> 
> That said, I can't really see him as Bagman...Bagman just seems like the
> kind of guy who's just sooooooo impressed/obsessed with his own
> masculinity.
> Which, um...isn't really Eddie Izzard's style.
> 
	Mycropht:

	This is true.  Nor is it really Stephen Fry's style.  My image for
Bagman has always been Rutger Hauer.  That sort of really good looking blond
guy who has gotten soft but is always Total Man underneath.  There has to be
a reason for all of the people to let him off
	[spoiler] 
	like they did at the Death Eater trial.  


	Mycropht
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From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Mon May 12 13:24:20 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (Coble, Katherine)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:24:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]David Thewlis?!?!
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	Sorry.  I know I'm new and haven't been as good about lurking this
group as I did the main one.  I still have to pipe up to say that David
Thewlis is just NOT who I imagined AT ALL for Lupin.  I think that Lupin in
many ways is the heart of PoA, and Thewlis just oozes smarm.  My opinion,
and apologies to Mrs. Thewlis, if she reads this.  I'm sure she raised a
nice boy.  I just don't see him as Remus Lupin.

	On the other hand, I've been a fan of Gary Oldman since _Sid &
Nancy_ & _Prick Up Your Ears_, so I'm jazzed about him being Sirius.

	Mycropht
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From ppahuja1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 17:37:40 2003
From: ppahuja1 at yahoo.com (ppahuja1)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:37:40 -0000
Subject: Casting Issues and suggestions
In-Reply-To: <b9kl55+1ej8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <b9om54+l77o@eGroups.com>

Marci said
> 
> Alan Rickman is 52 I believe.  However, the character of Snape is 
in 
> his 30s.  JKR refers to him as 35ish.  So, Harry's parents had him 
> when they were quite young.  As someone who read the books first, 
the 
> parents in the film were too old.  Since Rickman is cast as Snape, 
> any new cast members would have to be older, since they all went 
to 
> Hogwarts at the same time.  Oldman is in his 40s, right?

Me  (Pam):  
Alan Rickman is approximately 56-57 years old.  Last year he was one 
of People Magazine's 50 Sexiest People.  In the article, it was 
mentioned that he was 56.  So by now he is probably 57.

Pam- this is my first post so of course it had to be about Alan 
Rickman. :)





From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Mon May 12 18:46:51 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (Coble, Katherine)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:46:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman casting
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F30@teserver01.treat.net>

Lynda Said:


> I'm getting pretty tired of some of us being labeled as having hormonal 
> problems because we had a visual image of Sirius as a larger-framed man
> than 
> Gary Oldman.   Let's keep these topics on the subject and stop attacks
> that 
> are uncalled for and inaccurate.   I am an artist and read "visually" so I
> do 
> visualize characters and scenes based on what I'm reading.   From the 
> description of Sirius in the book, he has dark hair (Oldman doesn't but 
> neither does Rickman -- that's what wigs are for) and was handsome in the 
> wedding photos and sounded like he had a large build (Oldman can be 
> attractive, but not "handsome" in the usual sense of the word, IMO, to
> which 
> I am entitled).   
> 
I for one am pleased to see Gary get Sirius if they weren't able to get DDL,
who would be the best person for the role, IMHO.   Although he's probably
way too intense for it.  I _do_ think that Gary will probably be better
suited to play the scruffy just-escaped Sirius than the everything's fine
Sirius.

IMHO casting should have been:

Remus Lupin......Gary Oldman
Sirius Black......Daniel Day Lewis  
		 Colin Salmon (Yeah, I know, but why not?  The book doesn't
say he was white, does it?)
		 John Malkovich
		 
This is not based on any drooling fangal pitterpat, either.  It's based on
who, from previous exposure to their work, I feel can bring the character I
imagined to life.  Nowhere, but NOWHERE was David Thewlis in my mind.  I
just pray G-d they don't find a reason to cast Steve Buscemi as anything.  

Mycropht
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From gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 20:08:38 2003
From: gwendolyngrace at yahoo.com (Gwen)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nimbus - 2003 Deadlines for May 15
Message-ID: <20030512200838.58751.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com>

This is a reminder that our Art Contest and the
current Registration Rate ($149.75) both have
*deadlines* on May 15. If you want to register at the
current rate, you *must* do so and pay via credit card
or PayPal in the next 3 days.

To register go here:

http://www.hp2003.org/nimbusregister.html

Here's a forwarded announcement about the Art Contest:

Nimbus - 2003 T-shirt and Program Cover Art Contest

Nimbus - 2003, the first every Harry Potter inspired
educational 
symposium and fan convention, invites all artists who
are fans of the 
series to enter art for consideration for the
Symposium's official T-
shirt and Program Cover art.

For more information about Nimbus - 2003 visit:

www.hp2003.org

For specific contest guidelines visit:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/hp_orlando

Just scroll down to the "April 10, 2003 Official
Artwork Contest" 
entry for full details on art specs. 

One extra important detail on art specifications is
that we ask all 
artists to notice that the name of the event "Nimbus -
2003" must 
contain the dash for copyright purposes.

Good luck! The Nimbus - 2003 Ministry of Magic looks
forward to being 
amazed by your creations.


More Nimbus - 2003 announcements coming soon... only 8
1/2 weeks to go!



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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 12 20:23:52 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:23:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman casting
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F30@teserver01.treat.
 net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030512152316.00bc3100@mail.kriselda.net>

Coble, Katherine recently mentioned:

>imagined to life.  Nowhere, but NOWHERE was David Thewlis in my mind.  I
>just pray G-d they don't find a reason to cast Steve Buscemi as anything.

Don't worry, Buscemi is American :)


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue May 13 15:25:37 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:25:37 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Azkaban - Oldman casting
Message-ID: <184.1ae022b6.2bf26871@aol.com>

Kathryn Coble writes:

> Remus Lupin......Gary Oldman
> Sirius Black......Daniel Day Lewis  
> 
Now that's casting that makes better sense to me (and I agree, no "fangal 
pitterpat" involved -- they just suit the physical type of the characters the 
way I envisioned them when reading the books).  I'm not that familiar with 
Thewlis work, but Oldman could do Remus standing on his head.  And Daniel Day 
Lewis would be a terrific Sirius.  Steve Buscemi is American (from New York 
City, he was a firefighter there, worked at the World Trade Center disaster 
as a volunteer with his unit, although he is no longer an active 
firefighter), so he's automatically disqualified unless they come up with an 
American character -- although he could probably do a good "Mad-Eye" with his 
big googly eyes!  Eek!

Lynda 
* * *
"Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA


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From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Tue May 13 23:41:44 2003
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:41:44 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]David Thewlis?!?!
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F15@teserver01.treat.net>
Message-ID: <b9rvro+daa4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Coble, Katherine" 
<katherine.coble at c...> wrote:
> 
> 	Sorry.  I know I'm new and haven't been as good about 
lurking this
> group as I did the main one.  I still have to pipe up to say that 
David
> Thewlis is just NOT who I imagined AT ALL for Lupin.  I think that 
Lupin in
> many ways is the heart of PoA, and Thewlis just oozes smarm.  My 
opinion,
> and apologies to Mrs. Thewlis, if she reads this.  I'm sure she 
raised a
> nice boy.  I just don't see him as Remus Lupin.
> <SNIP>> 
> 	Mycropht

A Goldfeesh says:

You should see Thewlis in Black Beauty.  It's the only movie I've 
seen him in (as far as I know)and I could see him playing Lupin.  He 
didn't seem smarmy at all.  In Black Beauty he plays a poor but kind 
cabby.

When it comes to Oldman I don't have much of an opinion since I 
haven't seen him in any role that sticks in my mind.  However, I 
haven't seen him in many films either.  

A Goldfeesh

Tumbling through a thousand centuries
You don't know where you'll land
It's so dark in mythology
Treasures of history to be found
----George Harrison, Dream Away, Gone Troppo




From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed May 14 01:05:24 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:05:24 -0500
Subject: CoS Behind the Scenes
Message-ID: <00b701c319b4$e6aa3d30$0ea2cdd1@RVotaw>

I just got the Australian promo DVD in the mail today that I ordered from Ebay, and have just taken the time to watch the Behind the Scenes clips.  Wow.  Must've been close to twenty minutes, starting with the Slytherin common room, mostly of Tom Felton there.  

Then it goes into the deleted scene that's not on the DVD, which I'd seen tons of pictures from and been curious about.  It's the one in the Gyrffindor Common Room where Hermione and Harry are sitting at the table and Ron's standing by it with his broken wand and Scabbers.  They were having the conversation they had out in the walkway after hearing about the Chamber from McGonagall.  About Malfoy being the heir of Slytherin and the polyjuice potion.  So apparently they decided they didn't like it in Gryffindor Common room and moved it outside.  Since the lines were all the same.  But that cleared up my curiousity over that missing scene!

Then it moves along to the conversation following the dueling club where the trio discusses parseltongue.  That part was fascinating to me, the cameramen were circulating looking at various angles with Chris Columbus, I'm amazed at how those kids can go on about their business with so many people breathing down their necks.  I'm impressed.  They had the other Gryffindors walk through and look warily at Harry.  Which looked rather pathetic, they were all in a nice neat row (do you know what I have to do to get my kids to walk in line like that?) Then there were also the dueling club scenes, which is interesting from CC talking to Alan Rickman (and commenting on how excellent his "Malfoy, perhaps?" bit was) to the guy catching Daniel Radcliffe after Malfoy's spell.  

And yes, the bit with Jason Isaacs cane catching Daniel Radcliffe's collar was on there.  A better view than I had seen on the interview with Isaacs too.  Better sound too.  I know I'm pathetic, but Jason Isaacs "Ooh, ooh, ooh" when he realized the cane was caught in Dan's collar was too funny.

I know I'm forgetting some stuff, I know there was a clip with Rupert hitting the ground after his spell backfired.  

Anyway, this DVD is great, I've had a great time watching it, hope I haven't bored you too much with my review!

Richelle


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From kechelsen at aol.com  Wed May 14 05:39:51 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 05:39:51 -0000
Subject: CoS Behind the Scenes
In-Reply-To: <00b701c319b4$e6aa3d30$0ea2cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b9skr7+9ljr@eGroups.com>

No, your review wasn't boring.  Just curious though -- is this DVD 
Region-free?  Or is it whatever region Australia is?

Kathy




From WFeuchter at msn.com  Wed May 14 13:43:21 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:43:21 -0000
Subject: CoS Behind the Scenes
In-Reply-To: <00b701c319b4$e6aa3d30$0ea2cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <b9th5p+u3tq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 
wrote:
> I just got the Australian promo DVD in the mail today that I 
ordered from Ebay, and have just taken the time to watch the Behind 
the Scenes clips.  Wow.  Must've been close to twenty minutes, 
starting with the Slytherin common room, mostly of Tom Felton 
there.  

Was this one of a kind, or are there other copies? And if others 
where on ebay did you find it

WF





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed May 14 13:39:14 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:39:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CoS Behind the Scenes
Message-ID: <25935368.1052919554099.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

Kathy asked:

> No, your review wasn't boring. Just curious though -- is this DVD <BR>
> Region-free? Or is it whatever region Australia is?<BR>

It is region coded for Australia.  I have a DVD Rom and it plays nicely on my 
computer. 

I also watched the first interview last night, which was Daniel's.  I couldn't 
help but wonder if Kenneth Brannagh was standing in the room when Dan said he 
was the nicest man in the world? :)

Richelle

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From manda at qx.net  Wed May 14 18:01:12 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:01:12 -0700
Subject: J.K. Rowling "Biography" new air date
Message-ID: <3EC221F8.2787.384DDE@localhost>

I just read the new Biography Magazine and the J.K. Rowling episode of "Biography" while be re-shown the week before OotP is released, June 18 on A&E. For those who 
keep missing it. ;-)


Amanda
--
http://www.mandamia.com



From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed May 14 14:54:50 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (rvotaw at i-55.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:54:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: CoS Behind the Scenes
Message-ID: <9524819.1052924090989.JavaMail.root@webmail.i-55.com>

WF asked:

> Was this one of a kind, or are there other copies? And if others <BR>
> where on ebay did you find it<BR>

It's an Australian exclusive, but there are others on Ebay.  The only catch is 
that you have to have either a region free DVD player or a DVD Rom to play it.  
If you do an Ebay search for "Harry Potter promo DVD" several will come up.  I 
think I paid about $10 for mine, and found it well worth it.  Of course, keep 
in mind I am slightly obsessive. :)

Richelle

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From d_lea25 at yahoo.ca  Wed May 14 15:53:00 2003
From: d_lea25 at yahoo.ca (Lea)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] J.K. Rowling "Biography" new air date
In-Reply-To: <3EC221F8.2787.384DDE@localhost>
Message-ID: <20030514155300.82346.qmail@web13006.mail.yahoo.com>


thanks for that info Amanda...    I've been wondering when thy would replay it it, but figured I'd miss it!  I will definitely set my vcr that day!

Lea  :)




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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 14 20:24:48 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:24:48 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SS/PS Chess set
Message-ID: <1dc.9add688.2bf40010@aol.com>

You think you can take a picture and share with the group??

Kyle Longbottom 




In a message dated 5/12/03 9:24:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
artsylynda at aol.com writes:

> 
> Thought y'all would like to know:  the 12th century chess set used as the 
> model for the big Wizard Chess set in SS/PS is on display as part of a show 
> 
> called "All the Queen's Horses" at the Kentucky Horse Park: The Role of the 
> 
> Horse in British History" running through August 24.  The Kentucky Horse 
> Park 
> is located just north of Lexington, on I-75, exit 119.  It's well worth a 
> visit anyway -- hundreds of acres of rolling bluegrass pastures, 
> representative horses from many of the breeds of the world, beautiful 
> antique 
> barns, carriage rides, horse rides, The Museum of the Horse, all kinds of 
> wonderful stuff. But that chess set in the movie totally amazed me 
> (sculptor 
> that I am) and I'm going to make a trip down there to see the original.  
> Thought y'all would like to know about it.  Do a search online for the 
> Kentucky Horse Park, there's probably more information on their site (I saw 
> 
> an article in the newspaper about it).
> 
> 
> 
> Lynda 
> * * *
> "Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA



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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 15 02:09:26 2003
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 02:09:26 -0000
Subject: SS/PS Chess set
In-Reply-To: <179.1a28904e.2bf0f9b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b9ussm+bi31@eGroups.com>

Are you talking about the set Harry and Ron play on at Christmas or 
the one on the way to the stone?  It seems as if you're talking 
about the latter; however, I saw the orginal of the red and white 
Christmas one at the British Museum the last time I was there (a 
year ago this month), and I know that it was circa 1100's so I'm 
just wondering...

The larger set used on the way to the stone did not very mediaeval 
to me, but slightly later say- Elizabethan(?), but I'm not very good 
at pinpointing dates.

Hmmm...Also if it *is* the self same piece as in the Brit. Museum 
then I should point out there is a reproduction available...I recall 
it being pricy (say ?300-?500), but someone might be interested.  

Scott

Lynda wrote:
> Thought y'all would like to know:  the 12th century chess set used 
as the 
> model for the big Wizard Chess set in SS/PS is on display as part 
of a show 
> called "All the Queen's Horses" at the Kentucky Horse Park: The 
Role of the 
> Horse in British History" running through August 24.  The Kentucky 
Horse Park 
> is located just north of Lexington, on I-75, exit 119.  It's well 
worth a 
> visit anyway -- hundreds of acres of rolling bluegrass pastures, 
> representative horses from many of the breeds of the world, 
beautiful antique 
> barns, carriage rides, horse rides, The Museum of the Horse, all 
kinds of 
> wonderful stuff. But that chess set in the movie totally amazed me 
(sculptor 
> that I am) and I'm going to make a trip down there to see the 
original.  
> Thought y'all would like to know about it.  Do a search online for 
the 
> Kentucky Horse Park, there's probably more information on their 
site (I saw 
> an article in the newspaper about it).
> 
> 
> 
> Lynda 
> * * *
> "Don't let  the Muggles get you down." Ron Weasley PoA
> 
> 
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From penumbra10 at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 02:47:13 2003
From: penumbra10 at yahoo.com (Nia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 02:47:13 -0000
Subject: A Question about the GoF director...
Message-ID: <b9uv3h+umhe@eGroups.com>

     If it is true that pre-production on GoF is to begin later this 
year, and filming next year*, then how will there be time to change 
directors for GoF?  Has anyone heard anything about Cuaron staying 
on to direct GoF, or do they already have someone in mind? [Oh, 
heavens, I do hope that Christopher "Utterly Clueless" Columbus has 
not changed his mind and decided to return early to hack Book IV to 
ribbons too!]

*This information is about a month old, from this source:

http://www.comingsoon.net/cgi-bin/archive/fullnews.cgi?
newsid1049921488,95419,

...under this article title: 
More Harry Potter 3 Casting & Future Films 
Wednesday, April 9, 2003 3:51 CDT

Nia
 





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Thu May 15 03:08:00 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:08:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A Question about the GoF director...
References: <b9uv3h+umhe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01af01c31a8f$31cd00b0$5aa2cdd1@RVotaw>

Nina wrote:

>      If it is true that pre-production on GoF is to begin later this
> year, and filming next year*, then how will there be time to change
> directors for GoF?  Has anyone heard anything about Cuaron staying
> on to direct GoF, or do they already have someone in mind? [Oh,
> heavens, I do hope that Christopher "Utterly Clueless" Columbus has
> not changed his mind and decided to return early to hack Book IV to
> ribbons too!]

The last I've heard is that Chris Columbus thinks GoF will start filming too
soon for his liking, so he's now looking toward OotP as director (of course,
by then they might not invite him!).  Latest indications are that if indeed
they stick with the same kids (if it can be believed, there was a recent
article where David Heyman was quoted as saying it was 95% sure Dan would be
back) I'd guess they'd rush right into GoF as quickly as possible, much like
they did with SS/PS and CoS.  I haven't heard anything about a director for
GoF, except for CC saying he's probably not going to do it.

Richelle





From a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com  Thu May 15 06:22:21 2003
From: a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com (a_rude_mechanical)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:22:21 -0000
Subject: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
In-Reply-To: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F14@teserver01.treat.net>
Message-ID: <b9vbmt+phhk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Coble, Katherine" 
<katherine.coble at c...> wrote:

> > 
> 	Mycropht:
> 
> 	My image for
> Bagman has always been Rutger Hauer.  That sort of really good 
looking blond
> guy who has gotten soft but is always Total Man underneath.  There 
has to be
> a reason for all of the people to let him off
> 	[spoiler] 
> 	like they did at the Death Eater trial.  
> 
> 


When I first read GoF, I pictured Cary Elwes as Ludo Bagman.  BEFORE 
everyone starts yelling at me about him being too much of a pretty 
boy or whatever, check out this picture.  He would make the best past-
his-prime Quidditch player!! 

http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=9339
 







From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri May 16 00:40:23 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:40:23 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SS/PS Chess set
Message-ID: <18b.1a2ad73c.2bf58d77@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/15/2003 3:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> You think you can take a picture and share with the group??
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 

I will do my best!

Lynda Sappington
 <A HREF="www.thesculptedhorse.com">Equine Art by Lynda Sappington</A>  Elegant equine art and jewelry.


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri May 16 00:42:36 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:42:36 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] SS/PS Chess Set
Message-ID: <149.113db0d3.2bf58dfc@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/15/2003 3:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Are you talking about the set Harry and Ron play on at Christmas or 
> the one on the way to the stone?  It seems as if you're talking 
> about the latter; however, I saw the orginal of the red and white 
> Christmas one at the British Museum the last time I was there (a 
> year ago this month), and I know that it was circa 1100's so I'm 
> just wondering...
> 

The newspaper said it was the set used to model the lifesized chess set, so 
it would be the one used on the way to the Sorcerer's Stone.  The items in 
this show are worth mega-millions and have been gathered from royal and 
private collectors and museums around the world.  Should be an interesting 
show!  Y'all make your way to Kentucky to see it!  ;-)
Lynda Sappington
 <A HREF="www.thesculptedhorse.com">Equine Art by Lynda Sappington</A>  Elegant equine art and jewelry.


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From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 16 00:46:37 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 00:46:37 -0000
Subject: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
In-Reply-To: <b9vbmt+phhk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ba1cdd+7bke@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "a_rude_mechanical" 
<a_rude_mechanical at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Coble, Katherine" 
> <katherine.coble at c...> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > 	Mycropht:
> > 
> > 	My image for
> > Bagman has always been Rutger Hauer.  

> 
> When I first read GoF, I pictured Cary Elwes as Ludo Bagman.  

Rutger Hauer might be a tad too... Teutonic looking for Ludo Bagman. 
Cary Elwes, though... hmmmm.... is now at least 40 and does sort of 
look like an athlete gone to seed. And he was sooo wonderful as 
Westley (aka the Dread Pirate Roberts) in The Princess Bride; so we 
know he can do comic relief (most recently I saw him as an Evil FBI 
Agent on X-Files so I know he can do drama). But he's American, isn't 
he? And so is Mandy Patinkin (aka Inigo Montoya), who I think could 
pull off Mad-Eye Moody. Dang JKR and her "must be Brits (or from 
British Empire)" edict! ;-)

Anne U
(now if we could only sneak Wallace Shawn in as Wormtail... I know, I 
know...)





From CLShannon at aol.com  Fri May 16 00:57:59 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:57:59 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
Message-ID: <c5.341e811d.2bf59197@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/15/03 5:47:24 PM, anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net writes:

<< Cary Elwes, though... hmmmm.... is now at least 40 and does sort of 

look like an athlete gone to seed. And he was sooo wonderful as 

Westley (aka the Dread Pirate Roberts) in The Princess Bride; so we 

know he can do comic relief (most recently I saw him as an Evil FBI 

Agent on X-Files so I know he can do drama). But he's American, isn't 

he? >>

Nope, he's British ;-) He just has done a lot of roles with an American 
accent.

You  know, I must have a brain blockage while reading or something. I know 
JKR did say Bagman was blond, right? But somehow while reading, I pictured 
someone with dark hair.  I think my default is to think of dark hair, except 
when it does register that the author has said blond hair (like with a major 
character like Draco or Fleur or Luscious - especially since she makes a 
point of saying they have 'very' pale blond hair).  But if the description is 
only mentioned once or not real prominent, I tend to think dark hair.
Must be my preference for dark hair coming through ;-)

Cindy



From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Fri May 16 14:54:17 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (Coble, Katherine)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:54:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Ca
	sting)
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3F81@teserver01.treat.net>

Anne says:

> Rutger Hauer might be a tad too... Teutonic looking for Ludo Bagman. 
> Cary Elwes, though... hmmmm.... is now at least 40 and does sort of 
> look like an athlete gone to seed. And he was sooo wonderful as 
> Westley (aka the Dread Pirate Roberts) in The Princess Bride; so we 
> know he can do comic relief (most recently I saw him as an Evil FBI 
> Agent on X-Files so I know he can do drama). But he's American, isn't 
> he? 
> 
Mycropht says:

I had no idea that JKR said everybody had to be from the UK.  Wow.  That
really limits things.  Cary Elwes 
_is_ British...born in London.  So he's a go.  And all are right; he'd be a
terrific Ludo Bagman.


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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri May 16 17:23:21 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:23:21 -0000
Subject: Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <ba36q9+uq8h@eGroups.com>

Hello all!
Have you read the interview with Chris Rankin on PoA? There's a 
link to it on Leaky--go! read! 
I thought Chris's comments bode WELL for the third installment 
of the Potter-on-screen saga. Apparently Cuaron likes to work 
with longer takes as a tension-building device (as compared to 
Columbus who would film only three-four lines at a time). The 
longer takes will require more of the kids: a different kind of 
preparation in terms of  characterisation and understanding of 
what's going on in the scene. Chris mentions the filming of a 
four-minute scene in one take... Sounds really exciting. 
I'm not worried about how the trio will fare with this new style of 
filming. I think it will bring out their abilities far better than 
Columbus managed to do. Also, I gather from Chris's comments 
that PoA will not be the action-drama-romps PPS  and CoS have 
been (although I love them with a passion), but rather 
slow-buildning-tension drama (woooooo...sounds lovely).

BTW, Chris alson mentions that PoA will be different 
visually--even down to the costumes. Thought I find the idea of 
new costumes intriguing, I can't help thinking that I would miss 
the terrific school uniforms, not to mention the beautiful 
quidditch-outfits from the first two movies.   Speaking of 
Hogwarts school uniforms, at danradcliffe.com, under 
"headlines," you can click your way to a Glencoe set report from 
the Herald, where Emma Watsons garb as Herminoe is 
described: a pale yellow shirt and a short black skirt. Could that 
be a new school uniform?

Sophia




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Fri May 16 19:35:56 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:35:56 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <bb.3174aecc.2bf6979c@aol.com>

There changing the school uniforms???

WHY??

Kyle 




In a message dated 5/16/03 3:33:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sophiamcl at hotmail.com writes:

> 
> Hello all!
> Have you read the interview with Chris Rankin on PoA? There's a 
> link to it on Leaky--go! read! 
> I thought Chris's comments bode WELL for the third installment 
> of the Potter-on-screen saga. Apparently Cuaron likes to work 
> with longer takes as a tension-building device (as compared to 
> Columbus who would film only three-four lines at a time). The 
> longer takes will require more of the kids: a different kind of 
> preparation in terms of  characterisation and understanding of 
> what's going on in the scene. Chris mentions the filming of a 
> four-minute scene in one take... Sounds really exciting. 
> I'm not worried about how the trio will fare with this new style of 
> filming. I think it will bring out their abilities far better than 
> Columbus managed to do. Also, I gather from Chris's comments 
> that PoA will not be the action-drama-romps PPS  and CoS have 
> been (although I love them with a passion), but rather 
> slow-buildning-tension drama (woooooo...sounds lovely).
> 
> BTW, Chris alson mentions that PoA will be different 
> visually--even down to the costumes. Thought I find the idea of 
> new costumes intriguing, I can't help thinking that I would miss 
> the terrific school uniforms, not to mention the beautiful 
> quidditch-outfits from the first two movies.   Speaking of 
> Hogwarts school uniforms, at danradcliffe.com, under 
> "headlines," you can click your way to a Glencoe set report from 
> the Herald, where Emma Watsons garb as Herminoe is 
> described: a pale yellow shirt and a short black skirt. Could that 
> be a new school uniform?
> 
> Sophia



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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Fri May 16 20:50:42 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:50:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <12a.2a20f90d.2bf6a922@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/16/2003 2:33:09 PM Central Standard Time, 
sophiamcl at hotmail.com writes:

> BTW, Chris alson mentions that PoA will be different 
> visually--even down to the costumes. Thought I find the idea of 
> new costumes intriguing, I can't help thinking that I would miss 
> the terrific school uniforms, not to mention the beautiful 
> quidditch-outfits from the first two movies.   Speaking of 
> Hogwarts school uniforms, at danradcliffe.com, under 
> "headlines," you can click your way to a Glencoe set report from 
> the Herald, where Emma Watsons garb as Herminoe is 
> described: a pale yellow shirt and a short black skirt. Could that 
> be a new school uniform?
> 
> 

Maybe they just mean that they won't spend the entire movie in uniform. Their 
out of class hours will be in normal (ie muggle) clothing.. . like going to 
hogsmeade or  down to visit Hagrid ect.  I just cant see them completely 
doing away with school uniforms. 

Melissa

Melissa 


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From twelvecabins at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 21:32:05 2003
From: twelvecabins at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:32:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Ludo Bagman (and other GoF casting)
In-Reply-To: <1053026571.274.72803.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030516213205.8005.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>


--- HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote:
>When I first read GoF, I pictured Cary Elwes as Ludo
>Bagman.  BEFORE everyone starts yelling at me about
>him being too much of a pretty boy or whatever, check
>out this picture.  He would make the best
past-his->prime Quidditch player!! 

It's been awhile since I read GoF, so I may be wrong,
but I've always imagined Bagman to be a bit pudgy in
his post-Quidditch days - but still with a rather
boyish, good-time-loving, good-humored face. I picked
Mark Addy (from "The Full Monty") as a good candidate
for Ludo. For the other characters, I instantly
imagined Brian Cox ("The Bourne Identity" and a
million other things) as Mad-Eye Moody - maybe because
he seemed to be of the right age and because when he
played Uncle Argyle in "Braveheart", he had one blind,
milky-white eye. I could imagine either Emma Thompson
or Jennifer Saunders as Trelawney (both would be good
for Rita Skeeter too). And my pick for Narcissa Malfoy
has always been Kristen Scott-Thomas. I know she's
played haughty snob a dozen times at least, but she's
just so good at it! Her role in "Gosford Park" as the
self-obsessed, cold, vain, greedy, dog-kicking widow
just screams "Draco's mom!" to me.

Sara 



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From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 21:55:26 2003
From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:55:26 -0000
Subject: Azkaban - Oldman casting
In-Reply-To: <bc.37f238a6.2bf13273@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ba3moe+4lj1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/12/2003 10:53:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> > From: "daughterofthedust" <daughterofthedust at y...>
> > Subject: Re: Azkaban - Oldman is Inspired Casting

 
 ME: (in a previously mistunderstood, or overlooked post)
> > Nope, not if your hormones have nothing to do with your 
> > dissapointment... ;-)  *EMPHASIS HERE* And if not, I most 
definitely was not referring to you. 

 YOU:
> I'm getting pretty tired of some of us being labeled as having 
hormonal 
> problems because we had a visual image of Sirius as a larger-
framed man than 
> Gary Oldman.  Let's keep these topics on the subject and stop 
attacks that 
> are uncalled for and inaccurate.  

Two words...LIGHTEN UP.

And with that I'm done...

~daughter





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Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:38:36 -0000
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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 17 01:02:48 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:02:48 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <1dc.9dbd68f.2bf6e438@aol.com>

Lets hope so!!  It would be a shame if they change the uniforms in any way 
but I can understand street clothes.

Kyle Longbottom 



In a message dated 5/16/03 4:53:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Meliss9900 at aol.com writes:

> 
> In a message dated 5/16/2003 2:33:09 PM Central Standard Time, 
> sophiamcl at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> >BTW, Chris alson mentions that PoA will be different 
> >visually--even down to the costumes. Thought I find the idea of 
> >new costumes intriguing, I can't help thinking that I would miss 
> >the terrific school uniforms, not to mention the beautiful 
> >quidditch-outfits from the first two movies.   Speaking of 
> >Hogwarts school uniforms, at danradcliffe.com, under 
> >"headlines," you can click your way to a Glencoe set report from 
> >the Herald, where Emma Watsons garb as Herminoe is 
> >described: a pale yellow shirt and a short black skirt. Could that 
> >be a new school uniform?
> >
> >
> 
> Maybe they just mean that they won't spend the entire movie in uniform. 
> Their 
> out of class hours will be in normal (ie muggle) clothing.. . like going to 
> 
> hogsmeade or  down to visit Hagrid ect.  I just cant see them completely 
> doing away with school uniforms. 
> 
> Melissa
> 
> Melissa 
> 



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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Sat May 17 04:21:07 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:21:07 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <17.397e2e2f.2bf712b3@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/16/2003 8:04:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
LeeMunLim03 at aol.com writes:

> Lets hope so!!  It would be a shame if they change the uniforms in any way 
> but I can understand street clothes.
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 
> 

I just read the article and I think that the reporter is just making an 
assumption that its a new school uniform.  They mention in the same article 
something about how the surrounding mountains will make a brilliant backdrop 
for the Quidditch game in which Harry falls off his broomstick, but there's 
supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie.

Melissa



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 17 04:28:20 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:28:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <129.2a3742b3.2bf71464@aol.com>

Go check Leaky Cualdron I dont know!

I just hope they dont change a lot 

Kyle Longbottom 


In a message dated 5/17/03 12:23:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Meliss9900 at aol.com writes:

> 
> In a message dated 5/16/2003 8:04:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
> LeeMunLim03 at aol.com writes:
> 
> >Lets hope so!!  It would be a shame if they change the uniforms in any way 
> 
> >but I can understand street clothes.
> >
> >Kyle Longbottom 
> >
> 
> I just read the article and I think that the reporter is just making an 
> assumption that its a new school uniform.  They mention in the same article 
> 
> something about how the surrounding mountains will make a brilliant 
> backdrop 
> for the Quidditch game in which Harry falls off his broomstick, but there's 
> 
> supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie.
> 
> Melissa
> 
> 



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From CLShannon at aol.com  Sat May 17 04:39:30 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:39:30 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <11c.2257a3d3.2bf71702@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/16/03 9:23:52 PM, Meliss9900 at aol.com writes:

<< They mention in the same article 
something about how the surrounding mountains will make a brilliant backdrop 
for the Quidditch game in which Harry falls off his broomstick, but there's 
supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie. >>

Well, a while back there was an article on danradcliffe.com that mentioned 
the quidditch from POA. It was a journalist who interviewed Dan on the set 
when the COS DVD came out. He was from Bravo magazine (I think that's a 
magazine <g>) and was presenting Dan with an award. 
This is the quote from Dan that I am referring to.

"But the best will be: A quidditch match in which the special effects will 
put everything in the shade ? It?s called: Quidditch in Lightning and 
thunder!? 


Cindy





From doliesl at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 05:22:19 2003
From: doliesl at yahoo.com (doliesl)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 05:22:19 -0000
Subject: YES or No !?? Quidditch in PoA (was Re: Excellent, excellent news!)
In-Reply-To: <11c.2257a3d3.2bf71702@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ba4gub+oqsa@eGroups.com>

<<there's supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie. >>

 
> Well, a while back there was an article on danradcliffe.com that 
> the quidditch from POA. It was a journalist who interviewed Dan on 
> when the COS DVD came out. He was from Bravo magazine (I think 
> magazine <g>) and was presenting Dan with an award. 
> This is the quote from Dan that I am referring to.
> 
> "But the best will be: A quidditch match in which the special 
> effects willput everything in the shade." It's called:
Quidditch in 
> Lightning and thunder! 

Not only the above article mention it, there is an exclusive 
interview on May 13th by Omelette.com with Producer David Heyman and 
Chris Columbus has clearly denied the rumor about there being no 
Quidditch. The article is in Portuguese (I hope there are fluent 
Portuguese speaker can translate it for us; though I'm not too 
familiar with Omelete.com so I can't gurantee how reliable they are)

http://www.omelete.com.br/cinema/artigos/base_para_artigos.asp?
artigo=1293

It was mention in the last question

Chris Columbus straightly answer a "NOT TRUE" to the "No Quidditch 
rumor".

David Heyman said (roughly translate from Portuguese) that "Of course 
there will be Quidditch" (then mention how the special effects has 
improve from 1st film to 2nd), and he said, "in this third film, we 
know that it'll be even better: this time Quidditch will be played in 
the rain and storm. It is going to be very exciting!"

So please, stop spreading rumor about there being no Quidditch.   

-D. who's pretty fed up with the No Quidditch thing.






From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sat May 17 14:32:20 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:32:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
References: <17.397e2e2f.2bf712b3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <012701c31c81$20762b40$5a9ccdd1@RVotaw>

Melissa wrote:

> I just read the article and I think that the reporter is just making an 
> assumption that its a new school uniform.  They mention in the same article 
> something about how the surrounding mountains will make a brilliant backdrop 
> for the Quidditch game in which Harry falls off his broomstick, but there's 
> supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie.

There is Quidditch in PoA.  There's just no Oliver Wood, or Marcus Flint in PoA. Which basically means they're probably sticking to one Quidditch game in which the dementors come.  Thus the lightning and thunder as mentioned by others.  A couple of months ago they were auditioning Quidditch players, so at least they aren't going to CGI all the other players.  I'm guessing whoever they use for Quidditch they'll use for only Quidditch, not in Great Hall scenes and all that.  Or else they'd have just kept in Sean Biggerstaff, etc.

As for the uniforms, what all are they filming in Glencoe?  Maybe they're not changing the uniforms, but letting them go places out of uniform, like to Quidditch games, Hogsmeade, etc.  They didn't wear uniforms all the time in the first two, like going into the forest, at Christmas, visiting Hagrid, etc.

Some costumes have changed, I think Hagrids for sure, they've said. 

Richelle


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From Ripleywriter at aol.com  Sat May 17 20:42:59 2003
From: Ripleywriter at aol.com (Ripleywriter at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:42:59 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] YES or No !?? Quidditch in PoA (was Re: Excellent, excellen...
Message-ID: <fb.3f071ebe.2bf7f8d3@aol.com>


I was wondering, what started this rumour and what ended it? I think the 
first thing to start it was the announced absence of Sean Biggerstaff in the 
film, and I think it was some German article with Dan Radcliffe talking about 
shooting a scene in lightning (if he directly mentioned Quidditch or not, I'm 
not sure) that ended it. 

But some confirmation would be nice...

Melly



From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Sat May 17 21:30:17 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:30:17 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] YES or No !?? Quidditch in PoA (was Re: Excellent, excellen...
Message-ID: <1d9.9d35e27.2bf803e9@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/17/2003 3:44:21 PM Central Standard Time, 
Ripleywriter at aol.com writes:

> was wondering, what started this rumour and what ended it? I think the 
> first thing to start it was the announced absence of Sean Biggerstaff in 
> the 
> film, and I think it was some German article with Dan Radcliffe talking 
> about 
> shooting a scene in lightning (if he directly mentioned Quidditch or not, 
> I'm 
> not sure) that ended it. 
> 
> But some confirmation would be nice...
> 
> Melly
> 
SB's absence isn't just rumoured, He confirmed it on his website. I hadn't 
seen the Bravo interview


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 17 22:55:14 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:55:14 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Excellent, excellent news!
Message-ID: <21.2f635a42.2bf817d2@aol.com>

Thats okay if hagrids costume changes, but not the students unless the 
teachers say there is a new uniforms for the students.  Do you think the 
Twins are going to do quidditch too??  Lets hope they havent changed the 
haircuts too much either since it looks like Harry hair is slightly changed 

Kyle Longbottom

Hufflepuff Prefect 



In a message dated 5/17/03 10:33:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rvotaw at i-55.com 
writes:

> Melissa wrote:
> 
> >I just read the article and I think that the reporter is just making an 
> >assumption that its a new school uniform.  They mention in the same 
> article 
> >something about how the surrounding mountains will make a brilliant 
> backdrop 
> >for the Quidditch game in which Harry falls off his broomstick, but 
> there's 
> >supposedly no Quidditch in POA the movie.
> 
> There is Quidditch in PoA.  There's just no Oliver Wood, or Marcus Flint in 
> PoA. Which basically means they're probably sticking to one Quidditch game 
> in which the dementors come.  Thus the lightning and thunder as mentioned 
> by others.  A couple of months ago they were auditioning Quidditch players, 
> so at least they aren't going to CGI all the other players.  I'm guessing 
> whoever they use for Quidditch they'll use for only Quidditch, not in Great 
> Hall scenes and all that.  Or else they'd have just kept in Sean 
> Biggerstaff, etc.
> 
> As for the uniforms, what all are they filming in Glencoe?  Maybe they're 
> not changing the uniforms, but letting them go places out of uniform, like 
> to Quidditch games, Hogsmeade, etc.  They didn't wear uniforms all the time 
> in the first two, like going into the forest, at Christmas, visiting 
> Hagrid, etc.
> 
> Some costumes have changed, I think Hagrids for sure, they've said. 
> 
> Richelle
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 17 23:15:40 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:15:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] YES or No !?? Quidditch in PoA (was Re: Excellent, excellen...
Message-ID: <ac.402129fd.2bf81c9c@aol.com>

 <A HREF="http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/COSPics.html">The Leaky Cauldron: We Blog for Harry Potter</A> 


Its on there!  Check it out.

Kyle Longbottom 

 



In a message dated 5/17/03 4:44:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Ripleywriter at aol.com writes:

> 
> I was wondering, what started this rumour and what ended it? I think the 
> first thing to start it was the announced absence of Sean Biggerstaff in 
> the 
> film, and I think it was some German article with Dan Radcliffe talking 
> about 
> shooting a scene in lightning (if he directly mentioned Quidditch or not, 
> I'm 
> not sure) that ended it. 
> 
> But some confirmation would be nice...
> 
> Melly



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From thomasmwall at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 10:05:40 2003
From: thomasmwall at yahoo.com (Tom Wall)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:05:40 -0000
Subject: My Thoughts on the Deleted CoS Scenes
In-Reply-To: <b7f5hm+m9pp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ba7ltk+s62i@eGroups.com>

Phyllis wrote:
The fourth ? the Kwikspell letter 
-- wouldn't have made sense to 
someone who didn't read the book. 
I think it's a fairly major 
omission in the movie that they 
don't mention Filch's squib-ness, 
but this scene wouldn't have 
accomplished this - Harry didn't 
even open the envelope, and 
there's no mention of Filch 
being a squib. 

Tom writes:
Sorry to have completely missed the ball on this thread, but I just 
have to add that I'm tremendously disappointed that this wasn't in 
the film.

Mostly, I'm disappointed because I'd like to believe that none of 
these bits of information are meant for the GARBAGESCOW - and I was 
sure that Filch's lack of magic would be somehow pivotal in a later 
novel. And since, JKR is in touch with Steve Kloves, and warns him 
that certain things must remain, I must confess that the lack of 
Filch's Squib situation is a let-down.

So much for Filch-the-ultimate-possible-traitor theory. Oh well. ;-)

-Tom





From d_lea25 at yahoo.ca  Sun May 18 13:24:19 2003
From: d_lea25 at yahoo.ca (Lea)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:24:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My Thoughts on the Deleted CoS Scenes
In-Reply-To: <ba7ltk+s62i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030518132419.27689.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com>



Tom Wall <thomasmwall at yahoo.com> wrote:
Phyllis wrote:

I think it's a fairly major 
omission in the movie that they 
don't mention Filch's squib-ness, 
but this scene wouldn't have 
accomplished this - Harry didn't 
even open the envelope, and 
there's no mention of Filch 
being a squib. 

Tom writes:
Sorry to have completely missed the ball on this thread, but I just 
have to add that I'm tremendously disappointed that this wasn't in 
the film.

Mostly, I'm disappointed because I'd like to believe that none of 
these bits of information are meant for the GARBAGESCOW - and I was 
sure that Filch's lack of magic would be somehow pivotal in a later 
novel. And since, JKR is in touch with Steve Kloves, and warns him 
that certain things must remain, I must confess that the lack of 
Filch's Squib situation is a let-down.

So much for Filch-the-ultimate-possible-traitor theory. Oh well. ;-)

-Tom


Lea:

don't give up hope on that thought..   they obviously have the footage and can always use it in a flashback.  especially since the movie had the boys directly into Snape's office from the top of the stairs.  since Filch is the only squib (that we know of) - there has to be some importance to him working at Hogwart's.




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From spicecow at hotmail.com  Sun May 18 22:39:42 2003
From: spicecow at hotmail.com (Nik A)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:39:42 +1000
Subject: New uniforms
Message-ID: <BAY1-F7iqUwpsIEFwNo00022ed8@hotmail.com>

When I saw someone mention new uniforms I remembered this pic I saw of the 
Slytherins getting some award somewhere (not sure what it's about), but I'm 
pretty sure this happened during PoA filming, and the uniforms are slightly 
different - the pattern on the ties has changed and I think the badges have 
too a bit - anyone an expert on the movie uniforms want to disagree/agree?

http://drachenhohle.avada-kedavra.com/images/tourismaward.jpg

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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 19 00:12:51 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 20:12:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New uniforms
Message-ID: <25.38fe92d9.2bf97b83@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/18/03 6:40:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
spicecow at hotmail.com writes:

> 
> When I saw someone mention new uniforms I remembered this pic I saw of the 
> Slytherins getting some award somewhere (not sure what it's about), but I'm 
> 
> pretty sure this happened during PoA filming, and the uniforms are slightly 
> 
> different - the pattern on the ties has changed and I think the badges have 
> 
> too a bit - anyone an expert on the movie uniforms want to disagree/agree?

It doesnt look too bad 

Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff Prefect 


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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 00:52:27 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 17:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New uniforms
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F7iqUwpsIEFwNo00022ed8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030519005227.33414.qmail@web13106.mail.yahoo.com>

Nik wrote:
<<<When I saw someone mention new uniforms I
remembered this pic I saw of the 
Slytherins getting some award somewhere (not sure what
it's about), but I'm 
pretty sure this happened during PoA filming, and the
uniforms are slightly 
different - the pattern on the ties has changed and I
think the badges have 
too a bit - anyone an expert on the movie uniforms
want to disagree/agree?

http://drachenhohle.avada-kedavra.com/images/tourismaward.jpg>>>

Me (Odile): I remember this picture as well - the lads
are accepting the Safeway tourism award on behalf of
all things Potter, which, according to Safeway, helped
UK tourism recover in the wake of Mad Cow disease.  Or
so I heard.  Anyway!  I compared that picture to one
of Draco in CoS.  You have a good eye - I didn't even
catch that the pattern on the tie was different! The
silver stripes are thinner.  The badge looks the same,
though.  

On a side note, I wonder if they will be slicking
Draco's hair back for PoA?  I recall Tom Felton saying
on one of the BBC interviews that it was Chris
Columbus who wanted it slicked back; and I know that
Tom isn't crazy about the alleged "pot and a half" of
gel that they use to make it stick!






From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 19 01:08:25 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:08:25 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New uniforms
Message-ID: <3b.38462a85.2bf98889@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/18/03 8:53:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> Nik wrote:
> <<<When I saw someone mention new uniforms I
> remembered this pic I saw of the 
> Slytherins getting some award somewhere (not sure what
> it's about), but I'm 
> pretty sure this happened during PoA filming, and the
> uniforms are slightly 
> different - the pattern on the ties has changed and I
> think the badges have 
> too a bit - anyone an expert on the movie uniforms
> want to disagree/agree?
> 
> http://drachenhohle.avada-kedavra.com/images/tourismaward.jpg>>>
> 
> Me (Odile): I remember this picture as well - the lads
> are accepting the Safeway tourism award on behalf of
> all things Potter, which, according to Safeway, helped
> UK tourism recover in the wake of Mad Cow disease.  Or
> so I heard.  Anyway!  I compared that picture to one
> of Draco in CoS.  You have a good eye - I didn't even
> catch that the pattern on the tie was different! The
> silver stripes are thinner.  The badge looks the same,
> though.  
> 
> On a side note, I wonder if they will be slicking
> Draco's hair back for PoA?  I recall Tom Felton saying
> on one of the BBC interviews that it was Chris
> Columbus who wanted it slicked back; and I know that
> Tom isn't crazy about the alleged "pot and a half" of
> gel that they use to make it stick!
> 
> 

Well I hope they dont shave Ron's hair like in Thunderpants.  Well Toms hair 
looks good without the gel 

Kyle Longbottom 


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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 01:12:58 2003
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:12:58 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New uniforms
In-Reply-To: <3b.38462a85.2bf98889@aol.com>
References: <3b.38462a85.2bf98889@aol.com>
Message-ID: <18477434036.20030518181258@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Sunday, May 18, 2003, 6:08:25 PM, LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:

> Well I hope they dont shave Ron's hair like in Thunderpants.

Eh? I thought he had a perm for that!

-- 
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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 19 01:15:18 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:15:18 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New uniforms
Message-ID: <1c2.9c543ff.2bf98a26@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/18/03 9:13:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
siskiou at earthlink.net writes:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sunday, May 18, 2003, 6:08:25 PM, LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >Well I hope they dont shave Ron's hair like in Thunderpants.
> 
> Eh? I thought he had a perm for that!
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Susanne               mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net

well in the books he looks like he has shaved hair thats what I dont want but 
if its short thats okay!

Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff Prefect 


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From spicecow at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 10:06:41 2003
From: spicecow at hotmail.com (Nik A)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 20:06:41 +1000
Subject: New uniforms
Message-ID: <BAY1-F118SkcJse1fTv00023cae@hotmail.com>

Odile wrote:
<<<I remember this picture as well - the lads are accepting the Safeway 
tourism award on behalf of all things Potter, which, according to Safeway, 
helpedUK tourism recover in the wake of Mad Cow disease. Or so I heard. 
Anyway! I compared that picture to one of Draco in CoS. You have a good eye 
- I didn't even catch that the pattern on the tie was different! The silver 
stripes are thinner. The badge looks the same, though.

On a side note, I wonder if they will be slicking Draco's hair back for PoA? 
I recall Tom Felton saying on one of the BBC interviews that it was Chris 
Columbus who wanted it slicked back; and I know that Tom isn't crazy about 
the alleged "pot and a half" of gel that they use to make it stick!>>>


Actually I went back and had a look at the CoS pics too, I think the 
difference on the badge is that on the bottom where it says 'Slytherin' it 
used to be white/silver and is now yellow. Maybe they decided to change 
certain things to indicate that they're 3rd year now, I know at my school 
older kids had different pockets on their blazers and so on. Theres also 
that green lining stuff, looks like some kind of sash or something, on the 
newer ones, it looks quite cool. I'm pretty sure this is all they would have 
meant when they said they were 'changing the uniform' though, nothing 
drastic.

On the subject of Draco's hair, I saw the pics of the CoS DVD launch, and 
his hair looked pretty gelly, even though it wasn't slicked back. Had they 
been filming that day? If so I'd guess they are gelling it and he'd just 
messed it up afterwards. I could be wrong though (I hope so, because I 
really don't like the slicked back thing, I don't think it's Malfoy at all.)

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From a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 03:38:10 2003
From: a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com (a_rude_mechanical)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:38:10 -0000
Subject: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
In-Reply-To: <c5.341e811d.2bf59197@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bac7v2+c50t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 5/15/03 5:47:24 PM, anneu53714 at s... writes:
> 
>  I know 
> JKR did say Bagman was blond, right? But somehow while reading, I 
pictured 
> someone with dark hair.  I think my default is to think of dark 
hair, except 
> when it does register that the author has said blond hair (like 
with a major 
> character like Draco or Fleur or Luscious - especially since she 
makes a 
> point of saying they have 'very' pale blond hair).  But if the 
description is 
> only mentioned once or not real prominent, I tend to think dark 
hair.
> Must be my preference for dark hair coming through ;-)
> 
> Cindy

Bagman is described as having blond hair, blue eyes, being of 
athletic build but gone slightly to seed, and of looking like an 
overgrown schoolboy.  

Forgive me, but when I first read the description I saw Elwes in my 
mind!! 

Elisabeth




From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Tue May 20 08:14:38 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 03:14:38 -0500
Subject: Quidditch in SS/PS
In-Reply-To: <bac7v2+c50t@eGroups.com>
References: <c5.341e811d.2bf59197@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030520031019.00b7ebb8@mail.kriselda.net>

Being new to the list, I missed it if this was discussed when SS/PS came 
out, but why were the rules of Quidditch explained wrong on the movie?  In 
the movie, they said that whichever team's Seeker catches the Golden 
Snitch, wins.  They noted that throwing the quaffle through the goal 
counted for 10 points, but because of the way they explained the Snitch, it 
basically made those points sound useless, since whoever caught the Snitch 
would win.  Obviously, that's not how it works in the books, where the game 
ends when the Snitch is caught and is worth the same 150 points the movie 
mentioned, but if the other team is ahead by more points when the Snitch is 
caught, THEY win.  Also, any idea how they're going to deal with this when 
it comes to the Quidditch World Cup?  Because of the way it was explained 
in the first movie, the ending of the QWC game in GOF isn't going to make 
sense, unless they re-explain Quidditch properly in that movie?  Any thoughts?


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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 08:51:57 2003
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:51:57 -0000
Subject: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
In-Reply-To: <bac7v2+c50t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bacqbd+bjis@eGroups.com>

 
> Bagman is described as having blond hair, blue eyes, being of 
> athletic build but gone slightly to seed, and of looking like an 
> overgrown schoolboy.  
> 
> Forgive me, but when I first read the description I saw Elwes in 
my 
> mind!! 
> 
> Elisabeth

When I first read about Gilderoy Lockhart, I pictured Cary Elwes in 
the part (but perhaps I'm just betraying who I think should win 
the "Witches Weekly Most Fabulous Smile" award ... ;)  ). Mark Addy, 
mentioned in an earlier post on this thread, would be absolutely 
perfect IMO, being .. blonde, British, not *quite* in shape looking 
exactly like an overgrown schoolboy. I'd originally thought about 
Mel Smith but in retrospect, think that Mark would be perfect.

I hope that they leave all of the house-elves in .. I've been re-
reading all of my HP books in preperation for OoTP and was VERY 
upset that the fabulous scene with Lockhart's surprise Valentines 
Day party together with surly cupid-dwarves was omitted. 

Sara - E.L.L.





From Audra1976 at aol.com  Tue May 20 18:04:19 2003
From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:04:19 EDT
Subject: Casting Bagman
Message-ID: <13.1cfe1b54.2bfbc823@aol.com>

a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com writes:

> Bagman is described as having blond hair, blue eyes, being of 
> athletic build but gone slightly to seed, and of looking like an 
> overgrown schoolboy.  
> 
> Forgive me, but when I first read the description I saw Elwes in my 
> mind!! 
> 

Me:

I don't remember if I've said this before, but I have to share my mental 
image of Bagman.  From the first time I read the description, I always 
picture a live action version of the cartoon character, Coach McGuirk, from 
"Home Movies."  If you don't know who I mean, here are some pictures.  He has 
the horizontally striped uniform, squashed nose, and everything: 
http://coack_mcguirk.tripod.com/COACHMCGUIRK/id10.html

I'm picturing a guy bigger than Cary Elwes (though if they can get him into 
the movies in any way, I won't complain), the type of guy who when he gets 
older develops that barrel chest and beer belly, but still has the skinny 
bird legs.  I'm not familiar enough with British actors to pinpoint anyone 
who comes close to my mental image.  Coach McGuirk even has the same voice 
and attitude I think Ludo Bagman would have.  Can't you hear Bagman saying 
these things?:

"Well, fighting is bad to begin with, right? So if you're going to fight, 
you're already wrong. I mean, you're already at the party, so why not fight 
dirty?"
    
"Women are an interesting bunch. I'll make an analogy here, they're like 
grapes. Thats all I've got, really. You see, I said bunch, so I thought of 
grapes. If I had said women are an interesting group...I would've thought of 
grapes as well."    

-Audra-
    
    

    




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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Tue May 20 17:41:22 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:41:22 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch in SS/PS
Message-ID: <48.1d039716.2bfbc2c2@aol.com>

well your proably right but its a movie too so the do leave some stuff out.  
I just hope they dont leave out the slapping scene with Malfoy!!

He deserves it!!
Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff Prefect



In a message dated 5/20/03 4:15:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> 
> Being new to the list, I missed it if this was discussed when SS/PS came 
> out, but why were the rules of Quidditch explained wrong on the movie?  In 
> the movie, they said that whichever team's Seeker catches the Golden 
> Snitch, wins.  They noted that throwing the quaffle through the goal 
> counted for 10 points, but because of the way they explained the Snitch, it 
> 
> basically made those points sound useless, since whoever caught the Snitch 
> would win.  Obviously, that's not how it works in the books, where the game 
> 
> ends when the Snitch is caught and is worth the same 150 points the movie 
> mentioned, but if the other team is ahead by more points when the Snitch is 
> 
> caught, THEY win.  Also, any idea how they're going to deal with this when 
> it comes to the Quidditch World Cup?  Because of the way it was explained 
> in the first movie, the ending of the QWC game in GOF isn't going to make 
> sense, unless they re-explain Quidditch properly in that movie?  Any 
> thoughts?



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From amani at charter.net  Tue May 20 21:59:47 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:59:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch in SS/PS
References: <c5.341e811d.2bf59197@aol.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030520031019.00b7ebb8@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <002801c31f1b$2142a660$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Kriselda Jarnsaxa:
Being new to the list, I missed it if this was discussed when SS/PS came 
out, but why were the rules of Quidditch explained wrong on the movie?  In 
the movie, they said that whichever team's Seeker catches the Golden 
Snitch, wins.  They noted that throwing the quaffle through the goal 
counted for 10 points, but because of the way they explained the Snitch, it 
basically made those points sound useless, since whoever caught the Snitch 
would win.  Obviously, that's not how it works in the books, where the game 
ends when the Snitch is caught and is worth the same 150 points the movie 
mentioned, but if the other team is ahead by more points when the Snitch is 
caught, THEY win.  Also, any idea how they're going to deal with this when 
it comes to the Quidditch World Cup?  Because of the way it was explained 
in the first movie, the ending of the QWC game in GOF isn't going to make 
sense, unless they re-explain Quidditch properly in that movie?  Any thoughts?

Me:
I always just took this as the fact that almost /always/, if you catch the Snitch you'll win. I mean, the QWC circumstances were /extremely/ uncommon. Wood was basically saying that if they catch the Snitch, it's a guaranteed win, which it almost always is.

--Taryn

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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 00:28:17 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quidditch in SS/PS
In-Reply-To: <002801c31f1b$2142a660$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <20030521002817.34855.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

Kriselda pondered:
<<< <slight snip of intro> In 
the movie, they said that whichever team's Seeker
catches the Golden 
Snitch, wins. They noted that throwing the quaffle
through the goal 
counted for 10 points, but because of the way they
explained the Snitch, it 
basically made those points sound useless, since
whoever caught the Snitch 
would win. Obviously, that's not how it works in the
books, where the game 
ends when the Snitch is caught and is worth the same
150 points the movie 
mentioned, but if the other team is ahead by more
points when the Snitch is 
caught, THEY win. <snip GoF Quidditch World Cup
issues> >>>

Then Taryn wrote:
<<<I always just took this as the fact that almost
/always/, if you catch the Snitch you'll win. I mean,
the QWC circumstances were /extremely/ uncommon. Wood
was basically saying that if they catch the Snitch,
it's a guaranteed win, which it almost always is.>>>

And now me (Odile):
True, Taryn, but the key phrase here is "almost
always."  Otherwise, why bother with the rest of the
players?  I had the DVDs on continuous loop for so
long that I had forgotten the "real" rules of
Quidditch and wondered aloud to a friend what the
point of playing the rest of the game is if the object
is to simply catch the Snitch!  [My friend's facial
expression is too difficult to make with emoticons -
suffice to say I turned off the DVD player and picked
up "Quidditch Through the Ages" again.]  Kriselda,
what they'll probably end up doing is either a) cut
the QWC out of the film altogether so that it's a
non-issue or b) completely ignore what Oliver Wood
said in the first film.  ^_~

Odile, 
who is convinced that the spikey-haired character on
the cover of OotP is Clay from American Idol.






From SteveLaBny at aol.com  Wed May 21 07:48:11 2003
From: SteveLaBny at aol.com (SteveLaBny at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 03:48:11 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Quidditch in SS/PS
Message-ID: <192.1a9c8af0.2bfc893b@aol.com>

If I may, the rules for the game are ridiculous.
There is NO reason a team that is trailing by more than 150 points to even 
ATTEMPT to go for the snitch. The trailing teams seeker should just basically 
becoming an obstacle to the leading teams seeker until the trailing team 
catches up.

The ONLY reasonable explanation would could even attempt to attach to this is 
if Quidditch leagues award a set amount of points to the victorious team, and 
a certain amount of points to the losing team based on the amount of the 
deficit. (sort of like NHL hockey where you get different points depending if 
you win, tie, lose in overtime, or lose in regulation)  

This has never been mentioned in the books, and probably never will be, as 
everyone seems perfectly content with the fact that if played by the rules, 
the game of Quidditch is pretty lame. 

The game REALLY screams for a time limit. But, whatever, I can watch sports 
when I want a sports-fix and read/watch Harry Potter when I want a Harry 
Potter fix and never the twain shall meet.

Steve


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From grace701 at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 14:08:44 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (Greicy de los Santos)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:08:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Second Task
In-Reply-To: <1053502604.227.80508.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030521140844.34822.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>

If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think they'll film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard because Water World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I don't know what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard for the kids to work underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be computer animated, but still.
 
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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 15:31:36 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:31:36 -0000
Subject: Second Task
In-Reply-To: <20030521140844.34822.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bag64o+hngg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Greicy de los Santos 
<grace701 at y...> wrote:
> If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think 
they'll film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard 
because Water World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I 
don't know what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard 
for the kids to work underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be 
computer animated, but still.
>  
> Greicy
> 

Me: Good point, I'm sure it will be GCI. What about Harry learning 
the secret while in the Prefects Bathroom with the Mermaid & MM - 
just can't wait for that scene (that is if they keep it). I'm also 
waiting to hear if the same crew will be around for GoF!




From katherine.coble at crgibson.com  Wed May 21 15:53:26 2003
From: katherine.coble at crgibson.com (Coble, Katherine)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:53:26 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Second Task
Message-ID: <ECB767884CB8464B9A382DB2E8BB39C8013E3FA3@teserver01.treat.net>

	Greicy Writes:
> If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think they'll
> film the Second Task.   My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard because
> Water World pulled it off.   I've never seen Water World, so I don't know
> what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard for the kids to
> work underwater.   I'm sure some of it will be computer animated, but
> still.
> 
> 
Mycropht replies:

It'll actually be easier than Waterworld, IMHO.  LOTR:FOTR made good use of
the Dry-for-Wet filming technique, which has been further exploited in that
television commercial where the people look as if they're playing tennis
underwater.  Basically, you do all of the work on a soundstage with fans
blowing and dub in the bubbles and other things later.  

There could also be good use of CGI ,as in Phantom Menace.  Underwater CGI
has come a LOOOOONG way since _The Abyss_.

Mycropht
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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 16:36:40 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Second Task
In-Reply-To: <20030521140844.34822.qmail@web14507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030521163640.6572.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>

Greicy wrote:
<<<If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think they'll film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard because Water World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I don't know what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard for the kids to work underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be computer animated, but still.>>>

And now me (Odile): Actually, there are certainly ways to film underwater without being underwater:
Please bear with me while I digress to another movie for a moment...
 
You know that part at the end of Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, when Frodo is paddling away in the little canoe and Sam goes after him?  And then it looks like Sam is drowning underwater until *ta-da!* Frodo's hand appears and pulls Sam up to the surface to save him?  Well, that was done in a studio -- they just colored the lights a certain way and sat Sean Astin on a fan blowing up to look as though he really was underwater.  Anyway.  Not sure if GoF's budget is going to be anywhere near that of LOTR, but who knows?  

Odile, who is hoping that Tom Felton re-considers his fishing career and holds out for GoF.   ^_~



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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Wed May 21 16:37:49 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:37:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Second Task
Message-ID: <24.3e9e30a4.2bfd055d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2003 10:35:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> Me: Good point, I'm sure it will be GCI. What about Harry learning 
> the secret while in the Prefects Bathroom with the Mermaid &MM - 
> just can't wait for that scene (that is if they keep it). I'm also 
> waiting to hear if the same crew will be around for GoF!


I kinda think that they are going with the same cast.  I read and interview 
with Heyman and he mentioned something about filming on GOF beginning early 
next year. And with the time they had casting them last go round I think 
they'd need more lead time.


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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 17:31:44 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:31:44 -0000
Subject: Second Task
In-Reply-To: <24.3e9e30a4.2bfd055d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bagd60+dcb7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Meliss9900 at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/21/2003 10:35:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
 
> I kinda think that they are going with the same cast.  I read and 
interview 
> with Heyman and he mentioned something about filming on GOF 
beginning early 
> next year. And with the time they had casting them last go round I 
think 
> they'd need more lead time.
> 
You're right, the more I think about it, the more likely that the 
same cast will be in GoF. I mean they've already started writing the 
screenplay, now I just need confirmation from WB.




From grace701 at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 18:02:00 2003
From: grace701 at yahoo.com (grace701)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:02:00 -0000
Subject: Second Task
In-Reply-To: <bagd60+dcb7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bageuo+el2q@eGroups.com>

I'm replying quickly here to both the CGI and Casting for GoF.

Yes I remember Sam underwater and that tennis commercial! THANK YOU 
guys for explaining how the heck did they do that.  I told my Mom 
they must've put rocks in their pockets to keep them somewhat 
grounded. ;)  Stupid I know.  You *do* learn something new 
everyday.  I wouldn't have that at all that they used a fan and 
inserted the bubbles, well I knew there'd be graphics, but not a fan.

It is very good to know that it would make sense to use the same 
cast being that the filming is early next year.  By chance, I was at 
Amazon.com and saw that the supposed release date for Harry Potter 
and the Goblet of Fire is none other than on JANUARY 1st of 2005!  
What a way to start the new year!  I swear if they decide to start 
showing it at 12am on the dot, I will be downtown in 42nd Street 
with that huge crowd, which I've never wanted to be apart of, only 
to see the movie!  

Greicy




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:24:45 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:24:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Second Task
Message-ID: <1d8.a08c4ff.2bfd1e6d@aol.com>

Interesting I think they are going to have a combination of live action in 
the water, cgi animation and scuba Divers when Dan is in the water.  When Sean 
Astin's character was in the water he wasnt in the the water he was on a sound 
stage.  I think when harry goes in the water thats actual water when he swims 
deeper thats going to be real and fake.  Proably he is going to when he sees 
the mermaids they are going to be animation and he is going to have strings 
attached to him and the other actors are going to be the same way and some shots 
are going to be filmed in the water.

Kyle Longbottom

Hufflepuff Prefect 



In a message dated 5/21/03 10:10:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
grace701 at yahoo.com writes:

> If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think they'll 
> film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard because Water 
> World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I don't know what he's 
> talking about, but either case I think it'd hard for the kids to work 
> underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be computer animated, but still.
> 
> Greicy
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:36:39 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:36:39 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Second Task
Message-ID: <1c6.a0433ab.2bfd2137@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/03 11:35:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Greicy de los Santos 
> <grace701 at y...> wrote:
> >If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think 
> they'll film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard 
> because Water World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I 
> don't know what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard 
> for the kids to work underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be 
> computer animated, but still.
> > 
> >Greicy
> >
> 
> Me: Good point, I'm sure it will be GCI. What about Harry learning 
> the secret while in the Prefects Bathroom with the Mermaid &MM - 
> just can't wait for that scene (that is if they keep it). I'm also 
> waiting to hear if the same crew will be around for GoF!
> 

I agree they should keep the Prefects Bathroom scene plus have the Tongue Ton 
Toffee scene with Dudley!!

Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff prefect 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:50:04 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:50:04 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Second Task
Message-ID: <10f.222aa07b.2bfd245c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/03 12:38:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> Greicy wrote:
> <<<If they are definitely going to make a GoF movie, how do you think 
> they'll film the Second Task.  My cousin said it shouldn't be so hard 
> because Water World pulled it off.  I've never seen Water World, so I don't 
> know what he's talking about, but either case I think it'd hard for the 
> kids to work underwater.  I'm sure some of it will be computer animated, 
> but still.>>>
> 
> And now me (Odile): Actually, there are certainly ways to film underwater 
> without being underwater:
> Please bear with me while I digress to another movie for a moment...
> 
> You know that part at the end of Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the 
> Ring, when Frodo is paddling away in the little canoe and Sam goes after 
> him?  And then it looks like Sam is drowning underwater until *ta-da!* 
> Frodo's hand appears and pulls Sam up to the surface to save him?  Well, 
> that was done in a studio -- they just colored the lights a certain way and 
> sat Sean Astin on a fan blowing up to look as though he really was 
> underwater.  Anyway.  Not sure if GoF's budget is going to be anywhere near 
> that of LOTR, but who knows?  
> 
> Odile, who is hoping that Tom Felton re-considers his fishing career and 
> holds out for GoF.   ^_~
> 

I thought Felton was doing to keep going??  I sure want the see him turned 
into a ferrat!!

Kyle Longbottom 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:51:06 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:51:06 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Second Task
Message-ID: <1df.96863ad.2bfd249a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/03 12:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Meliss9900 at aol.com writes:

> 
> In a message dated 5/21/2003 10:35:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
> geri510 at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >Me: Good point, I'm sure it will be GCI. What about Harry learning 
> >the secret while in the Prefects Bathroom with the Mermaid &MM - 
> >just can't wait for that scene (that is if they keep it). I'm also 
> >waiting to hear if the same crew will be around for GoF!
> 
> 
> I kinda think that they are going with the same cast.  I read and interview 
> 
> with Heyman and he mentioned something about filming on GOF beginning early 
> 
> next year. And with the time they had casting them last go round I think 
> they'd need more lead time.
> 

Lets hope they keep the same cast and get on with it there growing up too 
fast!!

Kyle Longbottom 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:52:18 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:52:18 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Second Task
Message-ID: <7e.39135b6c.2bfd24e2@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/03 1:51:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Meliss9900 at a... wrote:
> >In a message dated 5/21/2003 10:35:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
> 
> >I kinda think that they are going with the same cast.  I read and 
> interview 
> >with Heyman and he mentioned something about filming on GOF 
> beginning early 
> >next year. And with the time they had casting them last go round I 
> think 
> >they'd need more lead time.
> >
> You're right, the more I think about it, the more likely that the 
> same cast will be in GoF. I mean they've already started writing the 
> screenplay, now I just need confirmation from WB.
> 

well if felton leaves it wont be the same!!  

Kyle Longbottom 


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From a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 03:51:46 2003
From: a_rude_mechanical at yahoo.com (a_rude_mechanical)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 03:51:46 -0000
Subject: House Elves (was: Re: Casting Bagman (was: Azkaban Casting/GOF Casting)
In-Reply-To: <bacqbd+bjis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bahhgi+106k7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
.
> 
> I hope that they leave all of the house-elves in .. I've been re-
> reading all of my HP books in preperation for OoTP and was VERY 
> upset that the fabulous scene with Lockhart's surprise Valentines 
> Day party together with surly cupid-dwarves was omitted. 
> 
> Sara - E.L.L.

I have a feeling that elves will play a VERY important role 
throughout the whole series--besides, they cannot leave Winky out!  
So you'll have at least the two.

Elisabeth




From Audra1976 at aol.com  Thu May 22 16:47:10 2003
From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:47:10 EDT
Subject: Tom Felton/Draco's Future (was: Re: Second Task)
Message-ID: <1a5.14446f1b.2bfe590e@aol.com>

odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> Odile, who is hoping that Tom Felton re-considers his fishing career and 
> holds out for GoF.   ^_~

Me:

Remember when somebody posted a quote of Tom Felton's?  He was talking about 
how children are afraid of him because of his character in the movies and then 
he said something to the effect of he had a feeling something really bad was 
going to happen to his character soon.  I can't find the exact quote.  Then we 
have this while fishing career thing, where Tom implies he may not be around 
for future movies.  

Is anybody taking these comments together the same way a Robbie Coltrane's 
comment that he "sort of" signed up for all the movies?  Maybe Tom Felton knows, 
or has an idea, that Draco is going to die in the series?

-Audra-


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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 18:13:32 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:13:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tom Felton/Draco's Future (was: Re: Second Task)
In-Reply-To: <1a5.14446f1b.2bfe590e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030522181332.78035.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>

Audra wrote:
<<<Remember when somebody posted a quote of Tom Felton's?  He was talking about 
how children are afraid of him because of his character in the movies and then 
he said something to the effect of he had a feeling something really bad was 
going to happen to his character soon.  I can't find the exact quote. >>>
 
And now me, Odile, cutting and pasting from our stalwart friends over at the Leaky Cauldron:
 

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/archives/2003_04_06_index.html

 

More about the Launch Party for CoS

Variety Magazine reports on the CoS launch party and quotes Robbie Coltrane as saying that his favorite part of the DVD is the Forebidden Forrest tour - three strikes, and spiders overrun the car! The article also quotes Tom Felton as saying: 

Somebody told me I was going to die... If I do, I hope it's a good one. ? I want it to be with a dragon or fire... Kids all over the world have gone against me."
[end quote and the cut & paste from TLC]
 
Odile again: 
Tom has stated in several interviews that he has never read the Harry Potter books (!!!), that he isn't much into reading anyhow since he much prefers sports.  So, my take on the above quote is that he has even less of an idea than we do!
 
Audra again: <<<Then we have this while fishing career thing, where Tom implies he may not be around for future movies. >>>

Odile again: He once said that he plans on quitting acting when he turns 16 (this September!) and become a professional fisherman.

Than Audra wondered: <<<Is anybody taking these comments together the same way a Robbie Coltrane's 
comment that he "sort of" signed up for all the movies?  Maybe Tom Felton knows, or has an idea, that Draco is going to die in the series?>>>

And I, Odile, think: Highly doubtful that our Thomas is signed up for all seven (?) of the HP films.  I won't believe anything until it's been released by an official source to the press, as far as casting goes.  And, like I said before, I really doubt that Tom has any more of an idea than we do as to whether or not Draco is going to that Big Hogwarts in the Sky.

Odile, who really really really hopes that Draco doesn't go to that Big Hogwarts in the Sky...





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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Thu May 22 18:21:42 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:21:42 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tom Felton/Draco's Future (was: Re: Second Task)
Message-ID: <b7.322581bb.2bfe6f36@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/22/03 12:59:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Audra1976 at aol.com writes:

> 
> odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >Odile, who is hoping that Tom Felton re-considers his fishing career and 
> >holds out for GoF.   ^_~
> 
> Me:
> 
> Remember when somebody posted a quote of Tom Felton's?  He was talking about 
> 
> how children are afraid of him because of his character in the movies and 
> then 
> he said something to the effect of he had a feeling something really bad was 
> 
> going to happen to his character soon.  I can't find the exact quote.  Then 
> we 
> have this while fishing career thing, where Tom implies he may not be around 
> 
> for future movies.  
> 
> Is anybody taking these comments together the same way a Robbie Coltrane's 
> comment that he "sort of" signed up for all the movies?  Maybe Tom Felton 
> knows, 
> or has an idea, that Draco is going to die in the series?
> 
> -Audra-
> 

well i hope if he dies he stays around for his death!!

Kyle longbottom 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Thu May 22 18:24:43 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:24:43 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tom Felton/Draco's Future (was: Re: Second Task)
Message-ID: <179.1ab1dba3.2bfe6feb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/22/03 2:17:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> Audra wrote:
> <<<Remember when somebody posted a quote of Tom Felton's?  He was talking 
> about 
> how children are afraid of him because of his character in the movies and 
> then 
> he said something to the effect of he had a feeling something really bad was 
> 
> going to happen to his character soon.  I can't find the exact quote. >>>
> 
> And now me, Odile, cutting and pasting from our stalwart friends over at the 
> Leaky Cauldron:
> 
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/archives/2003_04_06_index.html
> 
> 
> 
> More about the Launch Party for CoS
> 
> Variety Magazine reports on the CoS launch party and quotes Robbie Coltrane 
> as saying that his favorite part of the DVD is the Forebidden Forrest tour - 
> three strikes, and spiders overrun the car! The article also quotes Tom 
> Felton as saying: 
> 
> Somebody told me I was going to die... If I do, I hope it's a good one. ? I 
> want it to be with a dragon or fire... Kids all over the world have gone 
> against me."
> [end quote and the cut &paste from TLC]
> 
> Odile again: 
> Tom has stated in several interviews that he has never read the Harry Potter 
> books (!!!), that he isn't much into reading anyhow since he much prefers 
> sports.  So, my take on the above quote is that he has even less of an idea 
> than we do!
> 
> Audra again: <<<Then we have this while fishing career thing, where Tom 
> implies he may not be around for future movies. >>>
> 
> Odile again: He once said that he plans on quitting acting when he turns 16 
> (this September!) and become a professional fisherman.
> 
> Than Audra wondered: <<<Is anybody taking these comments together the same 
> way a Robbie Coltrane's 
> comment that he "sort of" signed up for all the movies?  Maybe Tom Felton 
> knows, or has an idea, that Draco is going to die in the series?>>>
> 
> And I, Odile, think: Highly doubtful that our Thomas is signed up for all 
> seven (?) of the HP films.  I won't believe anything until it's been released 
> by an official source to the press, as far as casting goes.  And, like I said 
> before, I really doubt that Tom has any more of an idea than we do as to 
> whether or not Draco is going to that Big Hogwarts in the Sky.
> 
> Odile, who really really really hopes that Draco doesn't go to that Big 
> Hogwarts in the Sky...
> 
> 
> 

well someone is going to go to the big hogwarts in the sky!  Hagrid is the 
most likely cadidate!!

Kyle Longbottom 


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From bboy_mn at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 19:56:29 2003
From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 19:56:29 -0000
Subject: Tom Felton/Draco's Future (was: Re: Second Task)
In-Reply-To: <20030522181332.78035.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <baja1d+v4ap@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Odile Falaise <odilefalaise at y...>
wrote:
> ...edited...
> 
> And I, Odile, think: Highly doubtful that our Thomas is signed up
for all seven (?) of the HP films.  ...edited..
> 
> Odile,

bboy_mn:

If Tom is smart, he will not sign for all seven movies. It's the law
of supply and demand. If the market demands Tom Felton for the movies
then the studios will have no choice but to supply very large
quantities of money.

Keep in mind that the top paid Hollywood actors get US$20 million per
movie, and that's for movies that don't make even close to what the HP
 movie are making. I think it would be very unwise for any of the
actors to commit themselve too far into the future of the HP franchise. 

Dan was getting atrocious pay by movie standards until the Actors
Equity Union stepped in and forced Warner to up his pay to (? or
$)2,000,000. I'm assuming that this is the equivalent of minimum wage
for a lead in a billion dollar movie.

If I was anyone of these kids, I would get a decent agent to negotiate
for a fair share of the profits including royalties for mechandise,
spin-offs, us of image, and anything else that can generate revenue.
They should also be able to generate income from any other source not
related to the movie, like product endorsements; Tom could endorse a
line of fishing boats, or a holiday resort, etc....


I also suspect that if the money is right, Tom will be willing to
delay his fisheries studies for a year or two. I would be nice to be a
successful professional fisherman, but it would be nicer to be two
years older and a very rich successful professional fisherman. He
could use the wealth he gained from the movie to start his own line
for fishing product, his own adventure company, or his own outdoor
sports. Things he could never never do without that financial backing.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn




From geri510 at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 02:37:26 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:37:26 -0000
Subject: New Dumbledore Picture
Message-ID: <bak1h6+h9ir@eGroups.com>

Check out the sun for a picture (not a good one).


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003232287,00.html




From hollydaze at btinternet.com  Fri May 23 18:02:03 2003
From: hollydaze at btinternet.com (Hollydaze)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:02:03 +0100
Subject: Hogwarts Paintings.
Message-ID: <004201c32155$6bfbb2a0$a29a8351@j0dhe>

I don't know if this is of any interest to anyone but, I was just speaking to my mum who's a teacher at a secondary school and their year 10's have just done their work experience (this week). Two of them got work experience at Leavesden Studios (we live about 5 miles away). Anyway, all the kids had to report back to school this afternoon about what they'd done and seen etc, and one of them had (what I thought was) a really interesting bit of info about the Hogwarts paintings (the ones you see mostly on the staircases). Apparently they are of the film crew, (in film 3 anyway, don't know about 1 and 2). All the people who were involved in film one and two had their photos taken and then they got professional artists to paint the photos and those are what they're using in the films.

HOLLYDAZE!!!





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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Fri May 23 18:05:43 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:05:43 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hogwarts Paintings.
Message-ID: <16d.1cf25b67.2bffbcf7@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/23/03 2:00:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
hollydaze at btinternet.com writes:

> 
> I don't know if this is of any interest to anyone but, I was just speaking 
> to my mum who's a teacher at a secondary school and their year 10's have just 
> done their work experience (this week). Two of them got work experience at 
> Leavesden Studios (we live about 5 miles away). Anyway, all the kids had to 
> report back to school this afternoon about what they'd done and seen etc, and 
> one of them had (what I thought was) a really interesting bit of info about the 
> Hogwarts paintings (the ones you see mostly on the staircases). Apparently 
> they are of the film crew, (in film 3 anyway, don't know about 1 and 2). All 
> the people who were involved in film one and two had their photos taken and 
> then they got professional artists to paint the photos and those are what 
> they're using in the films.
> 
> HOLLYDAZE!!!

Wow thats nice How about the kids who donated there paintings to the Weasleys 
house??

Kyle Longbottom 

Hufflepuff Prefect


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From insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 23 19:38:34 2003
From: insanus_scottus at yahoo.co.uk (Scott)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:38:34 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Paintings.
In-Reply-To: <16d.1cf25b67.2bffbcf7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <baltbq+dj35@eGroups.com>

That's really interesting [about the paintings].  I have yet to 
figure out the picture of Hester Prynne, Pearl, and Arthur 
Dimmesdale that waves (I think it waves) to the Gryffindor students 
on the way to the Dormitory in the first film.  Perhaps Chris 
Columbus is a fan of "The Scarlet Letter"?  Hmmmm....Most the other 
paintings were un-recognizable (if that's a word) so perhaps they 
*are* the production crew.  

Can anyone shed light on the subject?

Scott




From WFeuchter at msn.com  Fri May 23 21:02:15 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:02:15 -0000
Subject: Movie Goofs
Message-ID: <bam28n+56el@eGroups.com>

A week or so ago Leaky posted a link to a site that listed the goofs 
in both movies. Last night I watched HPSS with the list in front of 
me. I could only see about 1/3 of the listed errors.

I wondered if anyone else had compared the list to the movie. Do I 
just not watch close enough or was someone just filling up newspaper 
space.


Bill





From geri510 at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 23:38:37 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:38:37 -0000
Subject: Movie Goofs
In-Reply-To: <bam28n+56el@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bambdt+2tm6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" <WFeuchter at m...> 
wrote:
> A week or so ago Leaky posted a link to a site that listed the 
goofs 
> in both movies. Last night I watched HPSS with the list in front 
of 
> me. I could only see about 1/3 of the listed errors.
> 
> I wondered if anyone else had compared the list to the movie. Do I 
> just not watch close enough or was someone just filling up 
newspaper 
> space.
> 
> 
> Bill

Me: The site I found was moviemistakes.com & I can honestly say I 
even gave them one to the first movie. I've both DVD's a few times & 
I can spot most of the mistakes they point out.




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 24 00:25:56 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:25:56 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie Goofs
Message-ID: <1cb.a4e0e4c.2c001614@aol.com>

Personally I am not looking for the mistakes but I think there in there 
regardless of how the good the movie is!!

Hook had a lot of mistakes a lot!!  Robin falls on the ground and there is a 
patch of grass next frame his not in a patch of grass

Kyle Longbottom 



In a message dated 5/23/03 7:39:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" <WFeuchter at m...> 
> wrote:
> >A week or so ago Leaky posted a link to a site that listed the 
> goofs 
> >in both movies. Last night I watched HPSS with the list in front 
> of 
> >me. I could only see about 1/3 of the listed errors.
> >
> >I wondered if anyone else had compared the list to the movie. Do I 
> >just not watch close enough or was someone just filling up 
> newspaper 
> >space.
> >
> >
> >Bill
> 
> Me: The site I found was moviemistakes.com &I can honestly say I 
> even gave them one to the first movie. I've both DVD's a few times &
> I can spot most of the mistakes they point out.
> 



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From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 26 03:37:28 2003
From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:37:28 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
Message-ID: <bas25o+vqdj@eGroups.com>

Hi Everybody,

I was wondering - is it was just me, or did the school robes change 
in the new pic of the trio?  In the new photo of HRH on set at POA 
that came out Sunday on thesnitch.co.uk, from the turn-downs of their 
school robes, the lining looks to be maroon.  And, their Gryffindor 
patches seem smaller.  I'm picky about details like costuming and 
it's not going to be consistant through the movies if the uniforms 
for Hogwarts change.  I know that this isn't a costuming message 
board, but it just seems that the new director is taking a lot of 
liberties with this new movie.  Just thought I'd point out this 
little detail.

Cheers,
Jenny :)




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 04:46:40 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:46:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] new uniforms?
Message-ID: <1e5.9a90cbe.2c02f630@aol.com>

 Now Iam really not sure I want to watch harry potter and the prisoner of 
azkaban!!  No flint and wood.  New innkeeper and fat lady.  New major cast 
memeber.

Kyle longbottom 




In a message dated 5/25/03 11:38:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk writes:

> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I was wondering - is it was just me, or did the school robes change 
> in the new pic of the trio?  In the new photo of HRH on set at POA 
> that came out Sunday on thesnitch.co.uk, from the turn-downs of their 
> school robes, the lining looks to be maroon.  And, their Gryffindor 
> patches seem smaller.  I'm picky about details like costuming and 
> it's not going to be consistant through the movies if the uniforms 
> for Hogwarts change.  I know that this isn't a costuming message 
> board, but it just seems that the new director is taking a lot of 
> liberties with this new movie.  Just thought I'd point out this 
> little detail.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jenny :)
> 



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From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 26 05:21:48 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 05:21:48 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <bas25o+vqdj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bas89c+1e3t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jenny" <h_potter_uk at y...> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I was wondering - is it was just me, or did the school robes change 
> in the new pic of the trio?  In the new photo of HRH on set at POA 
> that came out Sunday on thesnitch.co.uk, from the turn-downs of 
their 
> school robes, the lining looks to be maroon.  And, their Gryffindor 
> patches seem smaller.  I'm picky about details like costuming and 
> it's not going to be consistant through the movies if the uniforms 
> for Hogwarts change.  I know that this isn't a costuming message 
> board, but it just seems that the new director is taking a lot of 
> liberties with this new movie.  Just thought I'd point out this 
> little detail.
> 

Hi Jenny,
It looks to me like Cuaron has changed the Hogwarts robes in several 
ways. I did notice red (or maroon?) piping a few inches above the 
bottom edge of the sleeves. And to me D/R/E's robes looked purple, 
not black (could have been weird lighting (natural sunlight in 
Scotland??!) but they looked purple to me). Numerous people on Leaky 
and other websites have noted the Daniel's hair looks vastly closer 
to Book!Harry's messy hair than the pudding-bowl haircut that he had 
in PS/SS and COS. Personally I like his new haircut.

Anne U
(busy re-reading GOF and writing fan fics and so forgetting to read 
these boards...heresy!)




From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 26 10:57:14 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 05:57:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <1e5.9a90cbe.2c02f630@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526055321.02086fe0@mail.kriselda.net>

LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:

>  Now Iam really not sure I want to watch harry potter and the prisoner of
>azkaban!!  No flint and wood.  New innkeeper and fat lady.  New major cast
>memeber.

Well, the new major cast memeber couldn't really be helped, though 
personally, I would have gone with Richard Attenborough (I think that's the 
right name - played the nice old man in Jurrasic Park) rather than Michael 
Gambon.  But Gambon will probably do a good job with it.  It's going to be 
really hard to do better than Richard Harris, though.

Wow.  I just realized this is one place my soap watching habits will come 
in handy - I'm used to getting used to totally different people playing the 
same role in succession, so it doesn't bother me that much when it happens 
:)  That's kind of cool....  hehe

Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's not unheard of for a 
school to redesign their uniforms - and regardless of when they choose to 
do it, it'll always be in the middle of some classes tenure at the school, 
so having them changed in HRH's 3rd year wouldn't be that much of a 
stretch, I don't think, but that's just me.


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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 13:19:47 2003
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:19:47 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <bas25o+vqdj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bat49j+p7u8@eGroups.com>

I'm not too fussed about the new uniforms after checking out 
thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
from personal experience!).

I personally won't be too annoyed at (what I perceive) to be little 
differences in the new film as the major difference (besides the 
major new cast member who, I admit, may take a little getting used 
to) is of course, the new director, himself. However, if the film-
makers tamper with the plot - I shall become *very* grumpy! 

Sara ELL :)






From d_lea25 at yahoo.ca  Mon May 26 13:38:18 2003
From: d_lea25 at yahoo.ca (Lea)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <bat49j+p7u8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030526133818.88726.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com>

Sara I have to agree with you.  Changes in the uniform hopefully will only enhance the look of the students.  I guess we'll have to wait and see if the change is for all the students or just the older ones.   I did see a picture of Michael Gambon in costume and I have to admit I was not very impressed.  Hopefully it was just the actual photo that didn't really do him justice.  And obviously it was a muggle photo, so that probably says it all!  Cheers.   Lea  :)

Sara_ELL <sara1412au at yahoo.com> wrote:I'm not too fussed about the new uniforms after checking out 
thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
from personal experience!).

I personally won't be too annoyed at (what I perceive) to be little 
differences in the new film as the major difference (besides the 
major new cast member who, I admit, may take a little getting used 
to) is of course, the new director, himself. However, if the film-
makers tamper with the plot - I shall become *very* grumpy! 

Sara ELL :)





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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 15:00:51 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526055321.02086fe0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <20030526150051.49274.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

Kriselda wrote:
<<<Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's
not unheard of for a school to redesign their uniforms
- and regardless of when they choose to do it, it'll
always be in the middle of some classes tenure at the
school, so having them changed in HRH's 3rd year
wouldn't be that much of a stretch, I don't think, but
that's just me.>>>

And now me (Odile):
Absolutely!  Just within the realm of Harry Potter
films, of course: Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle had
different style robes from the contemporary (and
living) students.  ^_^

Kriselda again:
<<<Well, the new major cast memeber couldn't really be
helped, though personally, I would have gone with
Richard Attenborough (I think that's the 
right name - played the nice old man in Jurrasic Park)
rather than Michael Gambon. But Gambon will probably
do a good job with it. It's going to be really hard
to do better than Richard Harris, though.>>>

Odile (that would be me) again:
Michael Gambon was wonderful in Sleepy Hollow - the
Tim Burton version starring Johnny Depp that came out
a couple of years ago.  He was marvelous as Baltus
(sp?) van Tassell (Christina Ricci's father) -- I
found him to be very quirky and charming: just right
for Dumbledore!  ^_^

Slightly OT, but Sleepy Hollow also features Uncle
Vernon -- talk about a "sticky end" - ewwww!





From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 15:19:50 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:19:50 -0000
Subject: Hogwarts Paintings.
In-Reply-To: <baltbq+dj35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <batbam+fvum@eGroups.com>

Scott said:
 I have yet to 
> figure out the picture of Hester Prynne, Pearl, and Arthur 
> Dimmesdale that waves (I think it waves) to the Gryffindor students 
> on the way to the Dormitory in the first film. 

Me:
Hester? Pearl? Dimmesdale? Are you sure? What led you to that conclusion, 
and has it been confirmed? This is the first I've heard about it, so your 
comment intrigued me. I'd love to hear some more.

Sophia




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon May 26 15:49:51 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:49:51 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <20030526150051.49274.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <batd2v+i4d8@eGroups.com>


> Kriselda wrote:
> <<<Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's
> not unheard of for a school to redesign their uniforms

> And now me (Odile):
 Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle had
> different style robes from the contemporary (and
> living) students.  ^_^

Excellent points! Even so, I don't have a problem personally with continuity 
glitches--and I don't think there should necessarily have to be a "logical" 
explanation for them. (I am talking about the visual aspect of the movies 
now, not the scripts, which is a different story entirely). I am sure there will 
be some visual continuity-glitches, simply due to the new director. (For 
instance, the back-drop to Hagrid's cabin ought to look quite different now)I 
rather think it would speak against Cuaron if there weren't. I don't want him 
to plod on in Columbus's footsteps. 
I figure there will be plenty of things to recognize and feel at home with as it 
is. Many of the sets will be the same, won't they? We probably won't see a 
new Gryffindor common room or Great Hall--so bring on the new uniforms, 
Harry's new and improve hair-style, and, under the circumstances, the new 
Dumbledore!

Columbus did a fantastic job of bringing Hogwarts to life on the screen and 
make it seem real, but I'm ready for Cuaron. I WANT to see a new take on 
Harry and his world.  Now that Columbus has broken ground, I would find it 
enriching to see the touch of a different mind on the script, a different vision. 
Columbus's view, entchanting as it was, is only one of many exciting 
possibilities. Cuaron's vision ought to include differences in the whole as well 
as the detail.  It'll be like comparing to artists takes on the same subject. One 
doesn't detract from the other, and there is no absolute truth in what Harry's 
world looks like. It belongs to anyone who can fashion images in her head, 
and we're about to meet a new mind on screen. (Well, a conglomerate of 
minds would be  more accurate) I look forward to it!!!

(Having said that, I admit, I'd have a big problem with changing the trio...But 
that's not to worry about yet, so I can afford to extol the virtues of CHANGE!)

Sophia




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 15:54:10 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:54:10 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] new uniforms?
Message-ID: <7a.4085083c.2c0392a2@aol.com>

Well lets hope the explain it.  I agree with you on the uniforms they do tend 
to change.

Kyle Longbottom 




In a message dated 5/26/03 6:58:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> 
> LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:
> 
> > Now Iam really not sure I want to watch harry potter and the prisoner of
> >azkaban!!  No flint and wood.  New innkeeper and fat lady.  New major cast
> >memeber.
> 
> Well, the new major cast memeber couldn't really be helped, though 
> personally, I would have gone with Richard Attenborough (I think that's the 
> right name - played the nice old man in Jurrasic Park) rather than Michael 
> Gambon.  But Gambon will probably do a good job with it.  It's going to be 
> really hard to do better than Richard Harris, though.
> 
> Wow.  I just realized this is one place my soap watching habits will come 
> in handy - I'm used to getting used to totally different people playing the 
> same role in succession, so it doesn't bother me that much when it happens 
> :)  That's kind of cool....  hehe
> 
> Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's not unheard of for a 
> school to redesign their uniforms - and regardless of when they choose to 
> do it, it'll always be in the middle of some classes tenure at the school, 
> so having them changed in HRH's 3rd year wouldn't be that much of a 
> stretch, I don't think, but that's just me.
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 15:55:34 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:55:34 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
Message-ID: <b7.3242b176.2c0392f6@aol.com>

I don't know!?!??!?!  I really don't know!

But i can understand where your coming from Sara 

Kyle Longbottom 




In a message dated 5/26/03 9:24:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sara1412au at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> I'm not too fussed about the new uniforms after checking out 
> thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
> own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
> very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
> junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
> suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
> schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
> adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
> Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
> high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
> appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
> from personal experience!).
> 
> I personally won't be too annoyed at (what I perceive) to be little 
> differences in the new film as the major difference (besides the 
> major new cast member who, I admit, may take a little getting used 
> to) is of course, the new director, himself. However, if the film-
> makers tamper with the plot - I shall become *very* grumpy! 
> 
> Sara ELL :)
> 
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 15:56:49 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:56:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
Message-ID: <1ce.a7ab390.2c039341@aol.com>


We do have to give Micheal Gambon a chance.  Altough to me I think Alfonso is 
streching it for me!

Kyle Longbottom 




In a message dated 5/26/03 9:40:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, d_lea25 at yahoo.ca 
writes:

> 
> 
> Sara I have to agree with you.  Changes in the uniform hopefully will only 
> enhance the look of the students.  I guess we'll have to wait and see if the 
> change is for all the students or just the older ones.   I did see a picture 
> of Michael Gambon in costume and I have to admit I was not very impressed.  
> Hopefully it was just the actual photo that didn't really do him justice.  And 
> obviously it was a muggle photo, so that probably says it all!  Cheers.   Lea 
>  :)
> 
> Sara_ELL <sara1412au at yahoo.com> wrote:I'm not too fussed about the new 
> uniforms after checking out 
> thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
> own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
> very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
> junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
> suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
> schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
> adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
> Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
> high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
> appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
> from personal experience!).
> 
> I personally won't be too annoyed at (what I perceive) to be little 
> differences in the new film as the major difference (besides the 
> major new cast member who, I admit, may take a little getting used 
> to) is of course, the new director, himself. However, if the film-
> makers tamper with the plot - I shall become *very* grumpy! 
> 
> Sara ELL :)
> 
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 16:00:19 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:00:19 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <12.31169e89.2c039413@aol.com>

True schools do change and all but I am just worried Alfonso will put too 
much of his mark on the Prisoner of Azkaban!  I like Sophia don't want change but 
on the other hand its okay if it changes in a subtile way like for instance 
Ron, Harry or Hermione say what happened with the common room or something like 
that.

Kyle Longbottom 



In a message dated 5/26/03 11:52:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sophiamcl at hotmail.com writes:

> 
> >Kriselda wrote:
> ><<<Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's
> >not unheard of for a school to redesign their uniforms
> 
> >And now me (Odile):
> Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle had
> >different style robes from the contemporary (and
> >living) students.  ^_^

> 
> Excellent points! Even so, I don't have a problem personally with continuity 
> 
> glitches--and I don't think there should necessarily have to be a "logical" 
> explanation for them. (I am talking about the visual aspect of the movies 
> now, not the scripts, which is a different story entirely). I am sure there 
> will 
> be some visual continuity-glitches, simply due to the new director. (For 
> instance, the back-drop to Hagrid's cabin ought to look quite different 
> now)I 
> rather think it would speak against Cuaron if there weren't. I don't want 
> him 
> to plod on in Columbus's footsteps. 
> I figure there will be plenty of things to recognize and feel at home with 
> as it 
> is. Many of the sets will be the same, won't they? We probably won't see a 
> new Gryffindor common room or Great Hall--so bring on the new uniforms, 
> Harry's new and improve hair-style, and, under the circumstances, the new 
> Dumbledore!
> 
> Columbus did a fantastic job of bringing Hogwarts to life on the screen and 
> make it seem real, but I'm ready for Cuaron. I WANT to see a new take on 
> Harry and his world.  Now that Columbus has broken ground, I would find it 
> enriching to see the touch of a different mind on the script, a different 
> vision. 
> Columbus's view, entchanting as it was, is only one of many exciting 
> possibilities. Cuaron's vision ought to include differences in the whole as 
> well 
> as the detail.  It'll be like comparing to artists takes on the same 
> subject. One 
> doesn't detract from the other, and there is no absolute truth in what 
> Harry's 
> world looks like. It belongs to anyone who can fashion images in her head, 
> and we're about to meet a new mind on screen. (Well, a conglomerate of 
> minds would be  more accurate) I look forward to it!!!
> 
> (Having said that, I admit, I'd have a big problem with changing the 
> trio...But 
> that's not to worry about yet, so I can afford to extol the virtues of 
> CHANGE!)
> 
> Sophia
> 



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From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 17:20:21 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:20:21 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <12.31169e89.2c039413@aol.com>
Message-ID: <baticl+6pp4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> True schools do change and all but I am just worried Alfonso will
put too 
> much of his mark on the Prisoner of Azkaban!  I like Sophia don't
want change but 
> on the other hand its okay if it changes in a subtile way like for
instance 
> Ron, Harry or Hermione say what happened with the common room or
something like 
> that.

Excuse me while I'm having hysterical laugh here. I just can see it:
Ron: "Blimey, Harry, what happened to Dumbledore? He looks completely
different."
Hermione: "Oh, will you ever read "Hogwarts, the history"? Honestly,
it says clearly on page 536 that all Hogwarts headmasters
traditionally go through plastic surgery when they reach 150". Or when
our soap opera reaches 150 episodes, whichever comes the first.

Will that be subtle enough for you, Kyle?

Irene


> 
> Kyle Longbottom 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/26/03 11:52:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> sophiamcl at h... writes:
> 
> > 
> > >Kriselda wrote:
> > ><<<Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's
> > >not unheard of for a school to redesign their uniforms
> > 
> > >And now me (Odile):
> > Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle had
> > >different style robes from the contemporary (and
> > >living) students.  ^_^
> 
> > 
> > Excellent points! Even so, I don't have a problem personally with
continuity 
> > 
> > glitches--and I don't think there should necessarily have to be a
"logical" 
> > explanation for them. (I am talking about the visual aspect of the
movies 
> > now, not the scripts, which is a different story entirely). I am
sure there 
> > will 
> > be some visual continuity-glitches, simply due to the new
director. (For 
> > instance, the back-drop to Hagrid's cabin ought to look quite
different 
> > now)I 
> > rather think it would speak against Cuaron if there weren't. I
don't want 
> > him 
> > to plod on in Columbus's footsteps. 
> > I figure there will be plenty of things to recognize and feel at
home with 
> > as it 
> > is. Many of the sets will be the same, won't they? We probably
won't see a 
> > new Gryffindor common room or Great Hall--so bring on the new
uniforms, 
> > Harry's new and improve hair-style, and, under the circumstances,
the new 
> > Dumbledore!
> > 
> > Columbus did a fantastic job of bringing Hogwarts to life on the
screen and 
> > make it seem real, but I'm ready for Cuaron. I WANT to see a new
take on 
> > Harry and his world.  Now that Columbus has broken ground, I would
find it 
> > enriching to see the touch of a different mind on the script, a
different 
> > vision. 
> > Columbus's view, entchanting as it was, is only one of many exciting 
> > possibilities. Cuaron's vision ought to include differences in the
whole as 
> > well 
> > as the detail.  It'll be like comparing to artists takes on the same 
> > subject. One 
> > doesn't detract from the other, and there is no absolute truth in
what 
> > Harry's 
> > world looks like. It belongs to anyone who can fashion images in
her head, 
> > and we're about to meet a new mind on screen. (Well, a
conglomerate of 
> > minds would be  more accurate) I look forward to it!!!
> > 
> > (Having said that, I admit, I'd have a big problem with changing the 
> > trio...But 
> > that's not to worry about yet, so I can afford to extol the
virtues of 
> > CHANGE!)
> > 
> > Sophia
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 18:32:58 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:32:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <8.38014ed9.2c03b7da@aol.com>

I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it won't be subtile 
for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.

Kyle 


In a message dated 5/26/03 1:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com writes:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >True schools do change and all but I am just worried Alfonso will
> put too 
> >much of his mark on the Prisoner of Azkaban!  I like Sophia don't
> want change but 
> >on the other hand its okay if it changes in a subtile way like for
> instance 
> >Ron, Harry or Hermione say what happened with the common room or
> something like 
> >that.
> 
> Excuse me while I'm having hysterical laugh here. I just can see it:
> Ron: "Blimey, Harry, what happened to Dumbledore? He looks completely
> different."
> Hermione: "Oh, will you ever read "Hogwarts, the history"? Honestly,
> it says clearly on page 536 that all Hogwarts headmasters
> traditionally go through plastic surgery when they reach 150". Or when
> our soap opera reaches 150 episodes, whichever comes the first.
> 
> Will that be subtle enough for you, Kyle?
> 
> Irene
> 
> 
> >
> >Kyle Longbottom 
> >
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 5/26/03 11:52:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >sophiamcl at h... writes:
> >
> >>
> >>>Kriselda wrote:
> >>><<<Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's
> >>>not unheard of for a school to redesign their uniforms
> >>
> >>>And now me (Odile):
> >>Tom Riddle and Moaning Myrtle had
> >>>different style robes from the contemporary (and
> >>>living) students.  ^_^
> >
> >>
> >>Excellent points! Even so, I don't have a problem personally with
> continuity 
> >>
> >>glitches--and I don't think there should necessarily have to be a
> "logical" 
> >>explanation for them. (I am talking about the visual aspect of the
> movies 
> >>now, not the scripts, which is a different story entirely). I am
> sure there 
> >>will 
> >>be some visual continuity-glitches, simply due to the new
> director. (For 
> >>instance, the back-drop to Hagrid's cabin ought to look quite
> different 
> >>now)I 
> >>rather think it would speak against Cuaron if there weren't. I
> don't want 
> >>him 
> >>to plod on in Columbus's footsteps. 
> >>I figure there will be plenty of things to recognize and feel at
> home with 
> >>as it 
> >>is. Many of the sets will be the same, won't they? We probably
> won't see a 
> >>new Gryffindor common room or Great Hall--so bring on the new
> uniforms, 
> >>Harry's new and improve hair-style, and, under the circumstances,
> the new 
> >>Dumbledore!
> >>
> >>Columbus did a fantastic job of bringing Hogwarts to life on the
> screen and 
> >>make it seem real, but I'm ready for Cuaron. I WANT to see a new
> take on 
> >>Harry and his world.  Now that Columbus has broken ground, I would
> find it 
> >>enriching to see the touch of a different mind on the script, a
> different 
> >>vision. 
> >>Columbus's view, entchanting as it was, is only one of many exciting 
> >>possibilities. Cuaron's vision ought to include differences in the
> whole as 
> >>well 
> >>as the detail.  It'll be like comparing to artists takes on the same 
> >>subject. One 
> >>doesn't detract from the other, and there is no absolute truth in
> what 
> >>Harry's 
> >>world looks like. It belongs to anyone who can fashion images in
> her head, 
> >>and we're about to meet a new mind on screen. (Well, a
> conglomerate of 
> >>minds would be  more accurate) I look forward to it!!!
> >>
> >>(Having said that, I admit, I'd have a big problem with changing the 
> >>trio...But 
> >>that's not to worry about yet, so I can afford to extol the
> virtues of 
> >>CHANGE!)
> >>
> >>Sophia



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From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Mon May 26 19:11:22 2003
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:11:22 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <8.38014ed9.2c03b7da@aol.com>
Message-ID: <batosr+4m99@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it won't be 
subtile 
> for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> 
> Kyle 
> 

What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really think the 
majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady is 
played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  huh? 
Where's the logic of that?  

I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead of 
overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would be so 
bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up your 
mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore all 
the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about some 
little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or Hagrid 
got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all over 
again. 

Joan





From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:06:58 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:06:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <27.40ef6387.2c03cde2@aol.com>

Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do you really 
think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  Fine we see at 
the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont like it 
dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie was!! 

Kyle  


In a message dated 5/26/03 3:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dkewpie at pacbell.net writes:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it won't be 
> subtile 
> >for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> >
> >Kyle 
> >
> 
> What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really think the 
> majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady is 
> played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  huh? 
> Where's the logic of that?  
> 
> I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead of 
> overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would be so 
> bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up your 
> mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore all 
> the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about some 
> little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or Hagrid 
> got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all over 
> again. 
> 
> Joan
> 
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:24:12 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:24:12 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <1cb.a78074e.2c03d1ec@aol.com>

Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso Cuaron!  You 
want harry potter to end up like Batman!! fine Joan!!  Just remember the last 
movie was forgetable!! Plus the changed little things too  



Kyle 



In a message dated 5/26/03 4:08:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
LeeMunLim03 at aol.com writes:

> 
> Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do you really 
> think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  Fine we see 
> at 
> the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont like it 
> dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie was!! 
> 
> Kyle  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/26/03 3:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dkewpie at pacbell.net writes:
> 
> >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >>I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it won't be 
> >subtile 
> >>for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> >>
> >>Kyle 
> >>
> >
> >What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really think the 
> >majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> >Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady is 
> >played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  huh? 
> >Where's the logic of that?  
> >
> >I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead of 
> >overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> >Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would be so 
> >bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up your 
> >mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore all 
> >the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about some 
> >little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or Hagrid 
> >got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all over 
> >again. 
> >
> >Joan
> >
> >



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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 20:26:13 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:26:13 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <27.40ef6387.2c03cde2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <batt95+9o8d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do 
you really 
> think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  
Fine we see at 
> the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont 
like it 
> dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie 
was!! 
> 
> Kyle  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/26/03 3:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> dkewpie at p... writes:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> > >I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it 
won't be 
> > subtile 
> > >for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> > >
> > >Kyle 
> > >
> > 
> > What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really 
think the 
> > majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> > Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady 
is 
> > played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  
huh? 
> > Where's the logic of that?  
> > 
> > I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead 
of 
> > overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> > Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would 
be so 
> > bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up 
your 
> > mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore 
all 
> > the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about 
some 
> > little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or 
Hagrid 
> > got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all 
over 
> > again. 
> > 
> > Joan
> > 
Me: Sorry for jumping in here but I just have to. I really can't see 
that changing such small roles is going to make anyone not go and 
see the movie, even current fans who complain about the changes. 
IMO, I can't wait to see how Alfonso does in directing PoA - I never 
really felt that Chris did the books justice. 




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:30:16 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:30:16 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <7f.37b390ff.2c03d358@aol.com>

and you think Alfosno is!!  how??

what did you not like about the sorcerers stone and the chamber of secrets??

Kyle Longbottom 


In a message dated 5/26/03 4:28:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do 
> you really 
> >think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  
> Fine we see at 
> >the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont 
> like it 
> >dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie 
> was!! 
> >
> >Kyle  
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 5/26/03 3:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >dkewpie at p... writes:
> >
> >>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >>>I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it 
> won't be 
> >>subtile 
> >>>for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> >>>
> >>>Kyle 
> >>>
> >>
> >>What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really 
> think the 
> >>majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> >>Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady 
> is 
> >>played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  
> huh? 
> >>Where's the logic of that?  
> >>
> >>I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead 
> of 
> >>overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> >>Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would 
> be so 
> >>bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up 
> your 
> >>mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore 
> all 
> >>the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about 
> some 
> >>little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or 
> Hagrid 
> >>got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all 
> over 
> >>again. 
> >>
> >>Joan
> >>
> Me: Sorry for jumping in here but I just have to. I really can't see 
> that changing such small roles is going to make anyone not go and 
> see the movie, even current fans who complain about the changes. 
> IMO, I can't wait to see how Alfonso does in directing PoA - I never 
> really felt that Chris did the books justice. 
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:33:17 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:33:17 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <b2.1d6f7d26.2c03d40d@aol.com>

Plus when I saw the last two batmans it was god awful and plus the ratings 
want to the toliet!  Joan !! 

Kyle 


In a message dated 5/26/03 4:28:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do 
> you really 
> >think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  
> Fine we see at 
> >the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont 
> like it 
> >dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie 
> was!! 
> >
> >Kyle  
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 5/26/03 3:11:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >dkewpie at p... writes:
> >
> >>--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >>>I dont know if your being sarcastic but its funny!!  No it 
> won't be 
> >>subtile 
> >>>for me.  I understand Dumbledore but I dont know about the rest.
> >>>
> >>>Kyle 
> >>>
> >>
> >>What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really 
> think the 
> >>majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> >>Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady 
> is 
> >>played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?  
> huh? 
> >>Where's the logic of that?  
> >>
> >>I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead 
> of 
> >>overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> >>Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would 
> be so 
> >>bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up 
> your 
> >>mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore 
> all 
> >>the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about 
> some 
> >>little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or 
> Hagrid 
> >>got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all 
> over 
> >>again. 
> >>
> >>Joan
> >>
> Me: Sorry for jumping in here but I just have to. I really can't see 
> that changing such small roles is going to make anyone not go and 
> see the movie, even current fans who complain about the changes. 
> IMO, I can't wait to see how Alfonso does in directing PoA - I never 
> really felt that Chris did the books justice. 
> 



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From kechelsen at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:37:39 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:37:39 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <1cb.a78074e.2c03d1ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <battuj+ojmf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso 
Cuaron!  

Excuse me, not to be technical or anything, but Chris Columbus 
brought Harry Potter to life on screen... JK Rowling created Harry 
Potter.

I don't understand why some people are getting so hot under the 
collar about this. Everyone has a different opinion about how they 
think this next movie will turn out.  If you want to disagree with 
someone's opinion, fine, that's your perogative... but please, leave 
out the foul language.  

Thank you.




From glcherry at bellsouth.net  Mon May 26 20:38:26 2003
From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:38:26 -0000
Subject: Time Out! (was New Unifroms)
Message-ID: <batu02+6tlv@eGroups.com>

 Okay, I don't do this very often but I'm going to anyway, and
everyone can get mad if they want to but....Whoa everyone! Let's all
calm down a little bit here. 
IMHO CC didn't do a bad job with PS/SS I liked that movie and watch it
a great deal, CC gave us our first look at JKR's wonderful Universe,
and did a Good/ Great JOB, Depending on your PoV.

I, personally don't like Cuaron. I think he is tooo...shall we say in
love with color, and change for changes sake? Does that make sense?

But, and this is the point, none of us have any say about what gets
filmed, what school uniforms get changed / upgraded too, and who gets
cast in which role. Don't we WISH we had that power? :)

Personally, I would have cast Peter O'Toole as Dumbledore (I always
got him and Richard Harris mixed up, maybe I need glass?). 

Let's just try, and stay calm about the changes that are coming, and
remember. Some actors had other commitments that prevented them from
coming back, some died, and some just got tired of the role. What if
TF decides he doesn't want to be Draco anymore? Can we make him? Nope!
Do we wish he'd stay? Yes, but in the end it's not our decision.

So, let's all calm down, respect each other's opinions (even if we
*don't* agree with them), and have fun here. Life is hard enough.
             Lorrie





From geri510 at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 20:47:22 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:47:22 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <7f.37b390ff.2c03d358@aol.com>
Message-ID: <batugq+frjr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> and you think Alfosno is!!  how??
> 
> what did you not like about the sorcerers stone and the chamber of 
secrets??
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 
> > 
> 
Me: How can I think that Alfonso is going to justice when I haven't 
even see the film yet? All I'm saying is that making a mountain out 
of a mole hill is not going to change anything. I want to see how 
someone else can take the movies in a new direction with their 
input - is that wrong?
In reference to Chris's direction I can say that I've never liked 
anything that he has done & feel the only reason he got the job is 
that he has had quite a bit experience working with children. That's 
my opinion, nothing else. I enjoyed (not loved) watching the two HP 
movies but thought that the movies were choppy (is that a word) and 
the transition from book to film could have been better.




From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 20:47:56 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <1cb.a78074e.2c03d1ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20030526204756.32623.qmail@web13115.mail.yahoo.com>

Kyle wrote:
<<<Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter
not Alfonso Cuaron!>>>
 
Me (Odile):
Er, actually it was *JK Rowling* who created Harry
Potter.  Cuaron and Columbus (and Steve Kloves) are
both interpreting *her* world: Columbus had his spin;
Cuaron has his.  I am willing to give the guy a
chance.

Kyle:
<<<You want harry potter to end up like Batman!! fine
Joan!! Just remember the last movie was forgetable!!
Plus the changed little things too>>>

Odile:
It's too bad that you are so certain that the PoA is
going to stink just because Batman suffered from
over-production.  Cuaron has an Oscar to his credit -
his work is thoughtful and creative.  I loved the
Columbus HP films, but I am also really looking
forward to see what Cuaron will do.  ^_^




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 20:58:57 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:58:57 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <de.393c7656.2c03da11@aol.com>

Well then tell Joan to not say the lords name in vain.  I will keep it civil 
but when she says something like that it makes me angry!!  Plus where is the 
logic if the decide to change Neville or Seamus????!?!?  I am hot under the 
collar becuase J.K Rowling said keep it in the frame of harry potter and keep the 
cast british.  Now you have two directors and there going in two different 
directions.  Why is everybody so angry at not having Quidditch??  Becuase its 
like Batman without his symbol of the bat.  Now I know J.K Rowlings did the 
books but she didnt do the movie!  People think she owns the rights to Harry 
potter the movies and she doesnt Warner Brothers does not her!  She owns the books.

Kyle Longbottom  





>
> 
> >What the rest? Tom the Inn Keeper and Fat lady!? you really think the 
> >majority of public viewers will notice the changes at all!? 
> >Also, do you honestly think that just because Tom and Fat Lady is 
> >played by different actor/actresses the movie will be "ruined"?? huh? 
> >Where's the logic of that?? 
> >
> >I really urge you to start seeing things in big picture instead of 
> >overreacting at small litte petty things like Tom the Inn 
> >Keeper....jesus! I really couldn't understand why someone would be so 
> >bother such little insignificant changes so much, just make up your 
> >mind don't go see the film next year then (might as well ignore all 
> >the movie news too)! So if the next movie news come in about some 
> >little changes like Snape wearing a different pair or shoe or Hagrid 
> >got a new shirt or something, you don't have to be angry all over 
> >again. 
> >
> >Joan
> >




In a message dated 5/26/03 4:38:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kechelsen at aol.com writes:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso 
> Cuaron!  
> 
> Excuse me, not to be technical or anything, but Chris Columbus 
> brought Harry Potter to life on screen... JK Rowling created Harry 
> Potter.
> 
> I don't understand why some people are getting so hot under the 
> collar about this. Everyone has a different opinion about how they 
> think this next movie will turn out.  If you want to disagree with 
> someone's opinion, fine, that's your perogative... but please, leave 
> out the foul language.  
> 
> Thank you.
> 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 21:01:46 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:01:46 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <190.1ad941bc.2c03daba@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 4:49:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >and you think Alfosno is!!  how??
> >
> >what did you not like about the sorcerers stone and the chamber of 
> secrets??
> >
> >Kyle Longbottom 
> >>
> >
> Me: How can I think that Alfonso is going to justice when I haven't 
> even see the film yet? All I'm saying is that making a mountain out 
> of a mole hill is not going to change anything. I want to see how 
> someone else can take the movies in a new direction with their 
> input - is that wrong?
> In reference to Chris's direction I can say that I've never liked 
> anything that he has done &feel the only reason he got the job is 
> that he has had quite a bit experience working with children. That's 
> my opinion, nothing else. I enjoyed (not loved) watching the two HP 
> movies but thought that the movies were choppy (is that a word) and 
> the transition from book to film could have been better.

No that is not wrong but when the change a lot of things then you don't want 
to see the movie.  In reference to Chris directing Harry potter I do agree 
with you on it was choppy and it could of done better but the target audience is 
kids and kids just want to see the movie and not get into the details of the 
books like adults do.  Thats why I think Chris made it so fast.  

Kyle Longbottom 


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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 21:06:56 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:06:56 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <de.393c7656.2c03da11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <batvlg+jc1m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> Why is everybody so angry at not having Quidditch??   
> Kyle Longbottom  
> 

Me again: From interviews that I've read with Kloves & Radcliffe 
there is going to be Quidditch in the film, in fact they said that 
filming in the rain & lighting was fun.





From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Mon May 26 21:22:35 2003
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:22:35 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <27.40ef6387.2c03cde2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bau0ir+pkas@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do 

What "without the same god damn cast"?!?
Last time I checked Dan, Rupert, Emma, Tom, Alan, Maggie, Robbie and 
almost every minor characters remine the same.

what are you talking about!?!!
Just because super minor roles like Tom the InnKeeper and Fatlday are 
different doesn't mean the entire cast change. Jesus...and that was 
the whole point of my last post.
Besides, how on earth will such small change will effect the film at 
all??! Tell me, how? (and please don't give me that crap how the 
whole cast will change)

you really 
> think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!!  

Yes I think the movie will be brilliant and far more superior than 
the first two. I love every single changes Alfonso made so far. 
Alfonso is a talented REAL artist. I love his past film very much (Y 
tu mama Tabien, A little Princess). He's a REAL film maker and I have 
full trust in him.

CC is just a mediocore director and doesn't do the first two book 
justice, period!! The first two films had bad sequencing, weak flow, 
no heart no soul, cheap slapsticks, choppy....the list go on. 

> Fine we see at 
> the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont > 
like it 
> dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie 
was!! 
> 

I think it'll be the opposite. 

Kyle, why don't you be rational for a second and really think about 
the whole thing seriously. 
1) How is a different Tom InnKeeper and Fatlady going to "ruin" the 
film?
2) How's a little color indication on the robes going to "ruin" the 
film?
3) how's lack of "Sean Biggerstaff" and "Flint's actor" going 
to "ruin" the film?

really, think about these questions rationally for a second and look 
back on your past repeated ramblings.

You used the Batman example? Hello!!! Remember the first two Batman 
films is directed by a talented REAL artist called Tim Burton while 
the lousy 3rd and 4th ones are done by mediocore director who, if not 
worse, is on the same level as Chris Columbus. So your Batman example 
just further proves my point: the upcoming PoA film which is handled 
by a talented artist, will be better than the first two which are 
done by mediocore person.

Lastly, have you read the Chris Rankin's interview? He highly praised 
Alfonso and practically hinting how much better he is and the film 
will be. If you haven't read it I suggest you take a look, hopefully 
it will open you mind a little bit. 

Joan





From dkewpie at pacbell.net  Mon May 26 21:31:49 2003
From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:31:49 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <de.393c7656.2c03da11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bau145+10i07@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> cast british.  Now you have two directors and there going in two 
>ifferent  directions.  Why is everybody so angry at not having 
Quidditch??  Becuase its 

How about this: there ARE freaking Quiddtich!!!!!! (Pardon the 
language, I'm just so sick of this ignorance.)
THERE WILL BE QUIDDITCH!! How many times do people have to repeat 
this to you??  Both the producer and Chris columbus already said 
there will be Quiddtich! Why can't you understand this simple fact?
There IS going to be Quiddtich. Even "your" Chris Columbus said so.
What more do you need? 
This fact is already repeated over and over again, yet you don't give 
it a rest and keep screaming about it over and over again. 


Joan 




From origamiwizard at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 21:54:42 2003
From: origamiwizard at yahoo.com (origamiwizard)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:54:42 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <bat49j+p7u8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bau2f2+oo17@eGroups.com>

Sarah_ELL said:
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
> I'm not too fussed about the new uniforms after checking out 
> thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
> own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
> very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
> junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
> suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
> schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
> adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
> Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
> high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
> appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
> from personal experience!).

OrigamiWizard says:
That's an interesting idea, Sarah, but I don't recall the Weasley 
twins or Percy having uniforms different from Harry and the rest of 
the "underclassmen". 

It seems that they are currently shooting around Hagrid's hut, so I'm 
thinking maybe, just maybe, they are wearing their new uniforms for 
the Care of Magical Creatures class--similar to how they had 
different uniforms for Herbology in CoS.  The students would be 
outside and it could get rather messy (especially with Hagrid as the 
instructor!), so I think a CoMC uniform might be in order.

OrigamiWizard, who doesn't mind the PoA wardrobe changes much, but 
would be thoroughly unhappy with major GoF cast changes!




From doliesl at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 22:00:01 2003
From: doliesl at yahoo.com (doliesl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:00:01 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <de.393c7656.2c03da11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bau2p1+232r@eGroups.com>

> Well then tell Joan to not say the lords name in vain.  I will keep 
it civil 
> but when she says something like that it makes me angry!!  Plus 
where is the 
> logic if the decide to change Neville or Seamus????!?!?  I am hot 
under the 
> collar becuase J.K Rowling said keep it in the frame of harry 
potter and keep the 
> cast british.  Now you have two directors and there going in two 
different 
> directions.  Why is everybody so angry at not having Quidditch??  


Kyle, for ohe last time, there WILL BE QUIDDITCH! David Heyman, Dan 
Radcliffe and Chris Columbus have all confirmed it. Repeat after 
me, "There will be quidditch in PoA!", chant this in your sleep ;), 
it'd help your blood-pressure.

Also Kyle can you give us the links to where you see Seamus and 
Neville's actors were changed? Chances are that you did not find any, 
right? (what are you worrying about?)

Can you grasp the understanding that film-making is a collective 
effort, it's about many things that worked together. So a slight 
little changes in prop design, or recasting some minor background 
nobodies ("Tom the innkeep" who?) are LEAST likely going to ruin the 
film. 

> like Batman without his symbol of the bat.  Now I know J.K Rowlings 
did the 
> books but she didnt do the movie!  People think she owns the rights 
to Harry 
> potter the movies and she doesnt Warner Brothers does not her!  She 
owns the books.

*Please* Chris Columbus does not OWN Harry Potter, his interpretation 
are NOT the one and only final ways, and shouldn't be taken as 
the "canon".  He interpret his own version for the 1st two films. But 
now PoA is Alfonso's vision, not Columbus anymore. Plus Columbus's 
the producer of the film now, and he seems to pass "greenlight" to 
all of Alfonso's decisions. So your problem is: overreacting. Some of 
the claims you made are mostly illogical and unreasonable, such as 
complaining about change of cast when there aren't. Calm down, okay?

As many people has tell you before, most people have faith in 
Alfonso, as we see him being a better artist than Columbus. 
As a reader, we all have our own vision of HP in our head, just 
because Columbus brought the 1st two in his ways, does not mean 
Alfonso has to be slave to what Columbus has started (neither do you 
as an audience). So Alfonso is welcome to change things accordingly. 
And so far the changes he made are *NOT* stretched at all. (let me 
remind you, Heyman and Columbus both "okay" Alfonso's decision in 
order for him to proceed)  

D.








From doliesl at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 22:14:43 2003
From: doliesl at yahoo.com (doliesl)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:14:43 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <bau2f2+oo17@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bau3kj+dpi3@eGroups.com>

> OrigamiWizard says:
> That's an interesting idea, Sarah, but I don't recall the Weasley 
> twins or Percy having uniforms different from Harry and the rest of 
> the "underclassmen". 
> 
> It seems that they are currently shooting around Hagrid's hut, so 
I'm 
> thinking maybe, just maybe, they are wearing their new uniforms for 
> the Care of Magical Creatures class--similar to how they had 
> different uniforms for Herbology in CoS.  The students would be 
> outside and it could get rather messy (especially with Hagrid as 
> instructor!), so I think a CoMC uniform might be in order.

But the pattern on the ties are different too (according to the 
picture of Draco, Crabbe & Goyle), not only the robes. So I think 
it's more likely the uniforms have been completely re-design for the 
new movie. Though the new design changes are subtle enough. It's 
rather just a nice update to re-fresh our eyes. 

-D.  




From h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 26 22:39:56 2003
From: h_potter_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Jenny)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:39:56 -0000
Subject: new uniforms?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526055321.02086fe0@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <bau53s+tth4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Kriselda Jarnsaxa 
<thorswitch at t...> wrote:
> Oh, one thought I had about the new uniforms - it's not unheard of 
for a 
> school to redesign their uniforms - and regardless of when they 
choose to 
> do it, it'll always be in the middle of some classes tenure at the 
school, 
> so having them changed in HRH's 3rd year wouldn't be that much of a 
> stretch, I don't think, but that's just me.


Me:
That's a really good point (yours too, Sara).  I've never been to a 
school with uniforms, but my brother went to a military college.  
They recently changed the uniforms back to something that looks like 
it just came from the War of 1812.  In that case, a change in 
uniforms might be interesting.  Maybe the old uniforms will show up 
on ebay?  Hmm...wishful thinking ;)

Cheers!
Yours in Gryffindor,
Jenny 
       - who's really glad to hear that John Williams has said he's 
doing the music for POA.  At least something might be 
consistent...good old "Hedwig's Theme"  :) 




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 22:45:09 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:45:09 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <1cd.a5f43db.2c03f2f5@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 5:18:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
geri510 at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >Why is everybody so angry at not having Quidditch??   
> >Kyle Longbottom  
> >
> 
> Me again: From interviews that I've read with Kloves &Radcliffe 
> there is going to be Quidditch in the film, in fact they said that 
> filming in the rain &lighting was fun.

well after we protested and nobody said we couldnt do anything??

Kyle Longbottom 


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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 26 22:47:07 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:47:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <1cb.a78074e.2c03d1ec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526173116.00bc7410@mail.kriselda.net>

LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:

>Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso Cuaron!

Um...  it was JK Rowling who created Harry Potter.  Chris Columbus may have 
done the first two films, but we was working from the same basic source 
material that Alfonso Curaon is, so there will have to be a fair amount of 
continuity.  Plus, don't forget that Rowling seems to have a fair amount of 
involvement in scripting the movies, and the script is being written by the 
same screenwriter, both of which will help ensure that thing will be rather 
similar.

>You want harry potter to end up like Batman!! fine Joan!!  Just remember 
>the last
>movie was forgetable!! Plus the changed little things too

The Batman movies were a bit of a different situation, though.  Yes, all of 
the people working on the different Batman films were working from the same 
basic material, but they were writing original stories based on that 
material, not adapting existing stories (as in the Harry Potter books) to a 
new medium.  That makes a huge difference in the quality of the stories 
themselves.  Plus, the scripts were written by different scriptwriters, so 
a lot of continuity was lost.

In this case, we *know* the story that the movie is being based on is a 
well-told tale.  That wasn't necessarily the case in the Batman movies 
where the focus was less on taking a well-told tale and making it into a 
movie that would be enjoyable by fans young and old, but rather on getting 
as many big-name stars into the film as possible to try and make it as much 
of a blockbuster as possible - which isn't the best way to go about making 
a movie, and usually has a very negative impact on the overall quality.

I know I'm going to sound like many of the people who criticized my concern 
about Gary Oldman as Sirius when I say this, but keep in mind that Alfonso 
Cuaron has already shown that he can make a "children's" movie that is not 
only enjoyed by the kids who see it, but also by the adults - and which has 
received exceptional praise from most of the critics who have reviewed it - 
"A Little Princess".

He may make a number of superficial changes to how different things look, 
and actors in a series of movies change for any number of reasons - but the 
heart of the movie is still with JK Rowling's characters and story, and 
that increases the chance of success by quite a bit.



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 22:49:45 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:49:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <14a.1fb0c65c.2c03f409@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 5:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dkewpie at pacbell.net writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >cast british.  Now you have two directors and there going in two 
> >ifferent  directions.  Why is everybody so angry at not having 
> Quidditch??  Becuase its 
> 
> How about this: there ARE freaking Quiddtich!!!!!! (Pardon the 
> language, I'm just so sick of this ignorance.)
> THERE WILL BE QUIDDITCH!! How many times do people have to repeat 
> this to you??  Both the producer and Chris columbus already said 
> there will be Quiddtich! Why can't you understand this simple fact?
> There IS going to be Quiddtich. Even "your" Chris Columbus said so.
> What more do you need? 
> This fact is already repeated over and over again, yet you don't give 
> it a rest and keep screaming about it over and over again. 
> 
> 
> Joan 
> 

AFTER we Fricken Protested Joan!!!!!

Now we still think we can't get Fricken wood in the movie!!!?!?!?!?

I didnt make myself clear enough I meant to say there is quidditch now since 
we protested but still no wood so a bunch of people can't make a difference 
right Joan!!!  I am ignoarant now!!

Kyle Longbottom 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 22:50:59 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:50:59 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
Message-ID: <173.1aca7330.2c03f453@aol.com>

Lets hope so but the Slyterins uniforms were different too.  

Kyle Longbottom 


In a message dated 5/26/03 5:50:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
origamiwizard at yahoo.com writes:

> Sarah_ELL said:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
> wrote:
> >I'm not too fussed about the new uniforms after checking out 
> >thesnitch.co.uk photo. I can understand Cuaron wanting to put his 
> >own little mark on the film and the rationale for the new robes may 
> >very well be to distinguish the third year students from the more 
> >junior ones (important where Hogsmeade weekends are concerned, I 
> >suppose). As was pointed out above, in an earlier post, lots of 
> >schools alter their uniforms when students enter senior years - 
> >adding piping along the school jacket (or the robe, if you go to 
> >Hogwarts!) is fairly common where I hail from. The shorts and knee-
> >high school socks that might look acceptable on a 6 year old boy 
> >appear *very* unattractive on an 18-year old student (and I speak 
> >from personal experience!).
> >
> >I personally won't be too annoyed at (what I perceive) to be little 
> >differences in the new film as the major difference (besides the 
> >major new cast member who, I admit, may take a little getting used 
> >to) is of course, the new director, himself. However, if the film-
> >makers tamper with the plot - I shall become *very* grumpy! 
> >
> >Sara ELL :)
> 
> OrigamiWizard says:
> That's an interesting idea, Sarah, but I don't recall the Weasley 
> twins or Percy having uniforms different from Harry and the rest of 
> the "underclassmen". It seems that they are currently shooting around 
> Hagrid's hut, so I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, they are wearing 
> their new uniforms for the Care of Magical Creatures class--similar 
> to how they had different uniforms for Herbology in CoS.  The 
> students would be outside and it could get rather messy (especially 
> with Hagrid as the instructor!), so I think a CoMC uniform might be 
> in order . . . wouldn't it?



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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 26 22:58:12 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:58:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <bau145+10i07@eGroups.com>
References: <de.393c7656.2c03da11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526175427.01c2a3f8@mail.kriselda.net>

Kewpie recently mentioned:

>Even "your" Chris Columbus said so.

This is one other thing to keep in mind - Chris Columbus may not be 
directing the film, but he IS still involved as one of the producers, which 
means he still has a lot of input into what's going on.  He may also have 
had some say in picking who would succeed him as the director.  IIRC, 
Columbus is not directing this one by his own choice - but as a producer, 
that means he has an investment in the picture - and a vested interest in 
making sure it's good.  So even if you're not fond of Cuaron, Columbus 
isn't entirely out of the picture...


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 22:59:24 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:59:24 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <f.12157b12.2c03f64c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 5:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
odilefalaise at yahoo.com writes:

> Kyle wrote:
> <<<Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter
> not Alfonso Cuaron! >>>
> 
> Me (Odile):
> Er, actually it was *JK Rowling* who created Harry
> Potter.  Cuaron and Columbus (and Steve Kloves) are
> both interpreting *her* world: Columbus had his spin;
> Cuaron has his.  I am willing to give the guy a
> chance.


I meant Chris was the first person to create harry potter and warner brothers 
own the rights to Harry potter the movies.  I know its her world but the 
production team owns usually the rights to the books, hence Jurrassic Park the 
book is owned by Micheal Cricton but the movie is usually owned by the studio.  I 
know you are willing to give him a chance. 

> 
> Kyle:
> <<<You want harry potter to end up like Batman!! fine
> Joan!!  Just remember the last movie was forgetable!!
> Plus the changed little things too >>>
> 
> Odile:
> It's too bad that you are so certain that the PoA is
> going to stink just because Batman suffered from
> over-production.  Cuaron has an Oscar to his credit -
> his work is thoughtful and creative.  I loved the
> Columbus HP films, but I am also really looking
> forward to see what Cuaron will do.  ^_^
> 
> Well I thought I did but when you change small things sometimes the big 
> things change as well.  Just becuase a person has an Oscar to there credit doesnt 
> necessary mean there going to do a good job.
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 23:16:50 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:16:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <4f.2f5ac0ff.2c03fa62@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 5:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dkewpie at pacbell.net writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >Well then go see the movie without the same god damn cast!!!  Do 
> 
> What "without the same god damn cast"?!?
> Last time I checked Dan, Rupert, Emma, Tom, Alan, Maggie, Robbie and 
> almost every minor characters remine the same.
> 
> what are you talking about!?!!
> Just because super minor roles like Tom the InnKeeper and Fatlday are 
> different doesn't mean the entire cast change. Jesus...and that was 
> the whole point of my last post.
> Besides, how on earth will such small change will effect the film at 
> all??! Tell me, how? (and please don't give me that crap how the 
> whole cast will change)


I will give you the whole cast has changed!!  Please dont tell me we can have 
a different fatlady every time there is a new movie!!!  Please!!  What are 
you talking about!!!!  No fricken change No new Dumbledore!!!!  I must be so 
stupid!!  

> 
> you really 
> >think the movie is going to be good with Alfonso directing it!! 


Yes I fricken do!! 
> 
> 
> Yes I think the movie will be brilliant and far more superior than 
> the first two. I love every single changes Alfonso made so far. 
> Alfonso is a talented REAL artist. I love his past film very much (Y 
> tu mama Tabien, A little Princess). He's a REAL film maker and I have 
> full trust in him.


Well I Fricken dont!!!

> 
> CC is just a mediocore director and doesn't do the first two book 
> justice, period!! The first two films had bad sequencing, weak flow, 
> no heart no soul, cheap slapsticks, choppy....the list go on.


You proably didnt see any of his movies either  
> 
> 
> >Fine we see at 
> >the box office then!!  Then when the movie comes out and you dont >
> like it 
> >dont come crying to me or other people about how awful the movie 
> was!! 
> >
> 
> I think it'll be the opposite. 


Well we will see!!

> 
> Kyle, why don't you be rational for a second and really think about 
> the whole thing seriously. 
> 1) How is a different Tom InnKeeper and Fatlady going to "ruin" the 
> film?

If you change the appearance of Dobby would you mind??  That woudnt change 
the film??  If they changed Cornuleius Fugde that wouldnt change the film??  You 
won't excited to see all the cast in the chamber of secrets???  Since there 
as been a new Dumbledore Alfonso has made so many changes.  What is next??    


> 2) How's a little color indication on the robes going to "ruin" the 
> film?

Why can't they just leave well enough alone??  Proably not a lot at first!  


> 3) how's lack of "Sean Biggerstaff" and "Flint's actor" going 
> to "ruin" the film?


How are you going to have No captian ?? Can't spell it.  unless the work 
around Sean or do to him like they did to Madam Hooch.

> 
> really, think about these questions rationally for a second and look 
> back on your past repeated ramblings.


I feel like you beat me up for saying we need our voices heard in not having 
quidditch and now we have quidditch!??!   So we can change the directors 
script!  Well why not try to bring back wood???  

> 
> You used the Batman example? Hello!!! Remember the first two Batman 
> films is directed by a talented REAL artist called Tim Burton while 
> the lousy 3rd and 4th ones are done by mediocore director who, if not 
> worse, is on the same level as Chris Columbus. So your Batman example 
> just further proves my point: the upcoming PoA film which is handled 
> by a talented artist, will be better than the first two which are 
> done by mediocore person.

Just becuase somebody has an academy award doesnt mean his going to do 
justice to harry potter. He get an academy award for the little princess right??  



> 
> Lastly, have you read the Chris Rankin's interview? He highly praised 
> Alfonso and practically hinting how much better he is and the film 
> will be. If you haven't read it I suggest you take a look, hopefully 
> it will open you mind a little bit. 


Do you really think Chris is going to say any bad about the new Director??  

Hello you dont say anything bad about anybody in the acting business and if 
it does come out its usually after the film is made!! 

> 
> Joan
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 23:25:41 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:25:41 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <158.1fb16dfa.2c03fc75@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 6:48:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:
> 
> >Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso Cuaron!
> 
> Um...  it was JK Rowling who created Harry Potter.  Chris Columbus may have 
> done the first two films, but we was working from the same basic source 
> material that Alfonso Curaon is, so there will have to be a fair amount of 
> continuity.  Plus, don't forget that Rowling seems to have a fair amount of 
> involvement in scripting the movies, and the script is being written by the 
> same screenwriter, both of which will help ensure that thing will be rather 
> similar.


Usually the company such as Warner Brothers will say to the author let us 
have ownership of the characters we will bring forth on to the screen.  J.K 
Rowlings gave her ownership of the 3 books to Warner Brothers so they could make 
the film.  J.K Rowlings owns the books and the live action characters are owned 
by warner Brothers not her listen to what I am saying.



> 
> >You want harry potter to end up like Batman!! fine Joan!!  Just remember 
> >the last
> >movie was forgetable!! Plus the changed little things too
> 
> The Batman movies were a bit of a different situation, though.  Yes, all of 
> the people working on the different Batman films were working from the same 
> basic material, but they were writing original stories based on that 
> material, not adapting existing stories (as in the Harry Potter books) to a 
> new medium.  That makes a huge difference in the quality of the stories 
> themselves.  Plus, the scripts were written by different scriptwriters, so 
> a lot of continuity was lost.


Well as i understand it Tim was let go so this Director Joel could come in 
and take over and look what happened!! 

> 
> In this case, we *know* the story that the movie is being based on is a 
> well-told tale.  That wasn't necessarily the case in the Batman movies 
> where the focus was less on taking a well-told tale and making it into a 
> movie that would be enjoyable by fans young and old, but rather on getting 
> as many big-name stars into the film as possible to try and make it as much 
> of a blockbuster as possible - which isn't the best way to go about making 
> a movie, and usually has a very negative impact on the overall quality.


Well as you see there are big name stars on harry potter.  Well it didnt 
start until they got rid of Tim Burton.

> 
> I know I'm going to sound like many of the people who criticized my concern 
> about Gary Oldman as Sirius when I say this, but keep in mind that Alfonso 
> Cuaron has already shown that he can make a "children's" movie that is not 
> only enjoyed by the kids who see it, but also by the adults - and which has 
> received exceptional praise from most of the critics who have reviewed it - 
> "A Little Princess".
> 
> He may make a number of superficial changes to how different things look, 
> and actors in a series of movies change for any number of reasons - but the 
> heart of the movie is still with JK Rowling's characters and story, and 
> that increases the chance of success by quite a bit.


Well we will see.  Just becuase a director has an academy award doesnt mean 
he can do the film justice.  Joss Whedon of Buffy fame couldnt quite get the 
Alien Ressuraction to fly.  

Kyle Longbottom 





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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 23:34:45 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:34:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <132.1faeb4d3.2c03fe95@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 6:59:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> 
> 
> Kewpie recently mentioned:
> 
> >Even "your" Chris Columbus said so.
> 
> This is one other thing to keep in mind - Chris Columbus may not be 
> directing the film, but he IS still involved as one of the producers, which 
> means he still has a lot of input into what's going on.  He may also have 
> had some say in picking who would succeed him as the director.  IIRC, 
> Columbus is not directing this one by his own choice - but as a producer, 
> that means he has an investment in the picture - and a vested interest in 
> making sure it's good.  So even if you're not fond of Cuaron, Columbus 
> isn't entirely out of the picture...
> 

Tim Burton wasnt entirely out of the picture but thats how the sometimes get 
rid of the old director. 

KyleLongbottom 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 23:43:28 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:43:28 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <1e7.9b67273.2c0400a0@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 6:12:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
doliesl at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> 
> >Well then tell Joan to not say the lords name in vain.  I will keep 
> it civil 
> >but when she says something like that it makes me angry!!  Plus 
> where is the 
> >logic if the decide to change Neville or Seamus????!?!?  I am hot 
> under the 
> >collar becuase J.K Rowling said keep it in the frame of harry 
> potter and keep the 
> >cast british.  Now you have two directors and there going in two 
> different 
> >directions.  Why is everybody so angry at not having Quidditch??  
> 
> 
> 
> Kyle, for ohe last time, there WILL BE QUIDDITCH! David Heyman, Dan 
> Radcliffe and Chris Columbus have all confirmed it. Repeat after 
> me, "There will be quidditch in PoA!", chant this in your sleep ;), 
> it'd help your blood-pressure.


No it won't no fricken wood!!  We raised bloody hell now we have quidditch 
but still no wood!  Everybody was telling me that we can't change things we just 
did!!  You still believe we can't bring back wood??

> 
> Also Kyle can you give us the links to where you see Seamus and 
> Neville's actors were changed? Chances are that you did not find any, 
> right? (what are you worrying about?)


I was using an example

> 
> Can you grasp the understanding that film-making is a collective 
> effort, it's about many things that worked together. So a slight 
> little changes in prop design, or recasting some minor background 
> nobodies ("Tom the innkeep" who?) are LEAST likely going to ruin the 
> film.


Yes I can I am not stupid!  Well we changed a new major cast memeber.  So 
your saying to me that people are going to see the film regardless of who plays 
harry potter in the goblet of fire??  well I wont.  This is just the begining 
of the changes that will constanly change and its going from bad to worse and I 
know I am in the minority here 
> 
> 
> >like Batman without his symbol of the bat.  Now I know J.K Rowlings 
> did the 
> >books but she didnt do the movie!  People think she owns the rights 
> to Harry 
> >potter the movies and she doesnt Warner Brothers does not her!  She 
> owns the books.
> 
> *Please* Chris Columbus does not OWN Harry Potter, his interpretation 
> are NOT the one and only final ways, and shouldn't be taken as 
> the "canon".  He interpret his own version for the 1st two films. But 
> now PoA is Alfonso's vision, not Columbus anymore. Plus Columbus's 
> the producer of the film now, and he seems to pass "greenlight" to 
> all of Alfonso's decisions. So your problem is: overreacting. Some of 
> the claims you made are mostly illogical and unreasonable, such as 
> complaining about change of cast when there aren't. Calm down, okay?


You wont excited to see all the same cast in the chamber of secrets including 
the train conductor??  Oh J.K rowlings owns everything of harry potter???  As 
I understand it the company Warner Brothers own the rights to the 3 books so 
they can be made into a movie.  J.K Rowlings owns the books not the live 
action characters.  Do you really think Chris is going to go against Alfonso 
decisions??

First of all you all say to me we can't change Afonso decison to leave out 
quidditch becuase there a big monster now all of a sudden Alfonso is bending a 
little for us.  So you say we can't get Wood in the Prisoner still??  

> 
> As many people has tell you before, most people have faith in 
> Alfonso, as we see him being a better artist than Columbus. 
> As a reader, we all have our own vision of HP in our head, just 
> because Columbus brought the 1st two in his ways, does not mean 
> Alfonso has to be slave to what Columbus has started (neither do you 
> as an audience). So Alfonso is welcome to change things accordingly. 
> And so far the changes he made are *NOT* stretched at all. (let me 
> remind you, Heyman and Columbus both "okay" Alfonso's decision in 
> order for him to proceed)


I just wonder what there saying now??  You really never see or hear the truth 
of the matter until there dead or the movie has been made.    
> 
> 
> D.
> 

Kyle Longbottom 


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Mon May 26 23:44:50 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:44:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
Message-ID: <170.1f10fa30.2c0400f2@aol.com>

A nice update to refresh our eyes???  People am i the only one that see what 
Alfonso is doing??  



In a message dated 5/26/03 6:15:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
doliesl at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> >OrigamiWizard says:
> >That's an interesting idea, Sarah, but I don't recall the Weasley 
> >twins or Percy having uniforms different from Harry and the rest of 
> >the "underclassmen". 
> >
> >It seems that they are currently shooting around Hagrid's hut, so 
> I'm 
> >thinking maybe, just maybe, they are wearing their new uniforms for 
> >the Care of Magical Creatures class--similar to how they had 
> >different uniforms for Herbology in CoS.  The students would be 
> >outside and it could get rather messy (especially with Hagrid as 
> >instructor!), so I think a CoMC uniform might be in order.
> 
> But the pattern on the ties are different too (according to the 
> picture of Draco, Crabbe &Goyle), not only the robes. So I think 
> it's more likely the uniforms have been completely re-design for the 
> new movie. Though the new design changes are subtle enough. It's 
> rather just a nice update to re-fresh our eyes. 
> 
> -D.  
> 



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From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon May 26 23:50:49 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:50:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <14a.1fb0c65c.2c03f409@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E05CEEFE-8FD4-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 03:49  , LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:
> I didnt make myself clear enough I meant to say there is quidditch now 
> since
> we protested but still no wood so a bunch of people can't make a 
> difference
> right Joan!!!? I am ignoarant now!!
>
> Kyle Longbottom


I know that I have not been involved in this discussion at all, but I 
do want to say something about this. I can almost guarantee you that 
your "protesting" had nothing to do with the Quidditch that's going to 
be in POA. Do you actually think that the script was written without 
any Quidditch to begin with, and the script writers all-of-the-sudden 
decided to add Quidditch because some people on the Internet were 
upset? Of course not! I am sure that the HP scripts are finalized in 
some fashion before the filming starts, and I highly doubt that the 
original script was written not to include Quidditch. You may have 
signed some online petition about Quidditch being in the film, but I 
highly doubt that it was influential to the directors, script writers, 
and producers of the film in any way.

You can go on being upset about Sean Biggerstaff's part being written 
out of the script (or never included), but I don't think that it's 
going to do any good. The movie is going to make money no matter what, 
because kids are going to want to see it - Sean or no Sean, it doesn't 
matter to them. Personally, I would go see the film even if they 
changed every single actor, just because I am curious to see how the 
movie will turn out, and I am sure that many other HP fans agree. The 
actors do not make the movie - they may be good, but I am sure that 
many other actors could portray the characters on screen just as well 
as the current ones do.

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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Mon May 26 23:57:03 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:57:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <4f.2f5ac0ff.2c03fa62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526184604.00b63468@mail.kriselda.net>

LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:

>If you change the appearance of Dobby would you mind??  That woudnt change
>the film??  If they changed Cornuleius Fugde that wouldnt change the 
>film??  You
>won't excited to see all the cast in the chamber of secrets???  Since there
>as been a new Dumbledore Alfonso has made so many changes.  What is next??

Alfonso has NO CHOICE about changing Dumbledore - Richard Harris 
*died*.  There was no physical way he could possibly appear in the new 
movie, and we haven't gotten to the point where they could just digitally 
create him (and even if they could, I sure wouldn't want them 
to!).  Changing Dumbledore isn't Cuaron's fault - it's God or fate or 
whatever it is you think determines when someone's time on this Earth is 
done.  Even if Chris Columbus were still directing the films, we'd have a 
new Dumbledore.

A lot of movie series make changes without it hurting the movie 
overall.  Look at the Star Trek franchise.  Almost every movie has a 
differently designed Enterprise, the uniforms get tweaked periodically 
(during the Next Generation series, they even changed the uniforms at least 
once between series seasons), the entire look of the Klingons and the 
Romulans has changed from the original series - LOTS of things got changed 
- and yet, for the most part, Star Trek fans still managed to enjoy the 
movies (well, at least the even-numbered ones - its something of a 
tradition that the odd-numbered ones were bad) and most fans just overlook 
the more superficial changes.  Same with the James Bond films - James has 
been played by a number of different actors, and the character of "M", who 
used to be played by a man, has more recently become a woman. That's 
another series where there have been tons of changes, and yet the core fan 
base still loves the movies as much as they ever did. Now, maybe neither of 
those series are "high art", but the audience they're aimed at enjoy them 
and tend to keep going back for more....


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From d_lea25 at yahoo.ca  Tue May 27 00:08:00 2003
From: d_lea25 at yahoo.ca (Lea)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <E05CEEFE-8FD4-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20030527000800.23451.qmail@web13007.mail.yahoo.com>



illyana delorean <illyana at mindspring.com> wrote:

The movie is going to make money no matter what, 
because kids are going to want to see it - Sean or no Sean, it doesn't 
matter to them. Personally, I would go see the film even if they 
changed every single actor, just because I am curious to see how the 
movie will turn out, and I am sure that many other HP fans agree. The 
actors do not make the movie - they may be good, but I am sure that 
many other actors could portray the characters on screen just as well 
as the current ones do.

illyana


 

Lea:  

Good point Illyana...   even with changes made to the cast, I would still still go see the movie - the question is whether or not I would see it AGAIN, as I did the first two movies.  I'm reserving judgement till I can see for myself what, if anything, has been done to our beloved storyline.  :)

 




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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Tue May 27 00:10:29 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:10:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <158.1fb16dfa.2c03fc75@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526185722.00b879c8@mail.kriselda.net>

LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:

>Usually the company such as Warner Brothers will say to the author let us
>have ownership of the characters we will bring forth on to the screen.  J.K
>Rowlings gave her ownership of the 3 books to Warner Brothers so they 
>could make
>the film.  J.K Rowlings owns the books and the live action characters are 
>owned
>by warner Brothers not her listen to what I am saying.

I was - you had said that Chris Columbus "created" Harry Potter - I was 
pointing out that he hadn't. And while WB may own the movie rights, they're 
smart enough to know that they need to stay true to JK Rowling's vision or 
they're going to be in big trouble, so her input isn't insignificant.

>Well as i understand it Tim was let go so this Director Joel could come in
>and take over and look what happened!!

Right, and Tim, to the best of my knowledge, had no further involvement in 
the Batman movies at all.  Chris Columbus is still a producer, which means 
he's still involved.

>Well as you see there are big name stars on harry potter.  Well it didnt
>start until they got rid of Tim Burton.

But in this case, the stars are being cast to play characters that are part 
of an already set story - how the character fits into the story is well 
worked out.  They may be being played by bigger-named stars, but the stars 
were chosen to fit the story - not the other way around.  With the Batman 
movies, the executives decided who they wanted to have in the movie, and 
then they tried to figure out what characters they could play and how to 
build a story around those characters.  That's usually a pretty sure way of 
making a bad movie because the story considerations are last on the list of 
importance.  With the Potter movies, regardless of who is directing and who 
is starring, the story is the most important thing - it's why there's an 
audience to begin with.

>Well we will see.  Just becuase a director has an academy award doesnt mean
>he can do the film justice.  Joss Whedon of Buffy fame couldnt quite get the
>Alien Ressuraction to fly.

I didn't say anything about Cuaron having an Academy Award - I didn't know 
he did.  I just know he has experience in adapting a child's book for the 
screen and was considered largely successful in not only making a fantastic 
movie, but in making a movie that stayed true to the heart of the story and 
was enjoyable by a fairly wide audience.

As for Joss Whedon, part of the problem there was that the idea of Alien 
Ressurection wasn't that good to begin with - again, here, we have good, 
solid source material.  The book is excellent.  That won't guarantee a 
great movie, but it sure does increase the chances.


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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Tue May 27 00:10:51 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:10:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <165.20583742.2c04070b@aol.com>

James Bond was totally different from harry potter.  


In a message dated 5/26/03 7:58:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes:

> 
> LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:
> 
> >If you change the appearance of Dobby would you mind??  That woudnt change
> >the film??  If they changed Cornuleius Fugde that wouldnt change the 
> >film??  You
> >won't excited to see all the cast in the chamber of secrets???  Since there
> >as been a new Dumbledore Alfonso has made so many changes.  What is next??
> 
> Alfonso has NO CHOICE about changing Dumbledore - Richard Harris 
> *died*.  There was no physical way he could possibly appear in the new 
> movie, and we haven't gotten to the point where they could just digitally 
> create him (and even if they could, I sure wouldn't want them 
> to!).  Changing Dumbledore isn't Cuaron's fault - it's God or fate or 
> whatever it is you think determines when someone's time on this Earth is 
> done.  Even if Chris Columbus were still directing the films, we'd have a 
> new Dumbledore.
> 
> A lot of movie series make changes without it hurting the movie 
> overall.  Look at the Star Trek franchise.  Almost every movie has a 
> differently designed Enterprise, the uniforms get tweaked periodically 
> (during the Next Generation series, they even changed the uniforms at least 
> once between series seasons), the entire look of the Klingons and the 
> Romulans has changed from the original series - LOTS of things got changed 
> - and yet, for the most part, Star Trek fans still managed to enjoy the 
> movies (well, at least the even-numbered ones - its something of a 
> tradition that the odd-numbered ones were bad) and most fans just overlook 
> the more superficial changes.  Same with the James Bond films - James has 
> been played by a number of different actors, and the character of "M", who 
> used to be played by a man, has more recently become a woman. That's 
> another series where there have been tons of changes, and yet the core fan 
> base still loves the movies as much as they ever did. Now, maybe neither of 
> those series are "high art", but the audience they're aimed at enjoy them 
> and tend to keep going back for more....
> 



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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue May 27 00:11:51 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:11:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms?
References: <170.1f10fa30.2c0400f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014201c323e4$93b11ec0$449ecdd1@RVotaw>

Kyle Longbottom wrote:

> A nice update to refresh our eyes???  People am i the only one that see what 
> Alfonso is doing??  

Okay, I have kept my mouth shut all day, but I can't any longer.  First of all, for those of us who get the list via email, it would be very helpful if you would combine comments, particularly shorter ones, into one post so that we don't have a dozen messages from the same person.  Second, I was not aware that you had a behind the scenes look at what's going on with Prisoner of Azkaban.  What, pray tell, have you seen that the rest of us have not?  So the uniforms have changed a bit.  Big deal.  They're not from the book anyway.  The only thing set in stone in the book is that they wear robes.  Nothing else is stated.  From what I've seen, the only changes in uniforms are perhaps a little change to the crests and robe trim.  It's not like they're suddenly pink with purple polka dots.  So Dan's hair has changed.  Yes, and it looks more as described by JKR in the books.  

As for Quidditch.  If I've said this once, I've said it a hundred times.  The reason they are cutting some (repeat, SOME) Quidditch is simply that all three games are not essential to the plot. No movie yet has had more than one game of Quidditch.  They are keeping the most essential game and cutting the others. Which means no Cho Chang, and Wood is not necessary.  He will be missed, yes.  If you watch the first two movies, he doesn't do much more *during the game* than to tell Harry to watch out and end up falling to the ground.  Both times.  Personally I enjoyed just having him around Hogwarts, passing in the hall, down the table at dinner, etc.  Still, if they're not going to focus on his character as they should have from the beginning, he's cuttable.  (is that a word?)  Now if they'd kept Flint and not Wood I'd be really mad.  But both are gone, so all's fair in love and movies.  Besides Alfonso is not responsible for that, Steve Kloves is, most likely.

No one has the right to judge Alfonso against anyone until PoA is completed, released, and we are all able to judge the movie as it should be judged.  As a completed piece of film, not a bit of rumor here and there and a few fuzzy pictures to go by.

Richelle


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From WFeuchter at msn.com  Tue May 27 00:25:39 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:25:39 -0000
Subject: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <158.1fb16dfa.2c03fc75@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bauba3+4qas@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/26/03 6:48:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> thorswitch at t... writes:
> 
> > LeeMunLim03 at a... recently mentioned:
> > 
> > >Plus it was Chris Columbus who created harry potter not Alfonso 
Cuaron!
> > 
> > Um...  it was JK Rowling who created Harry Potter.  Chris 
Columbus may have 
> > done the first two films, but we was working from the same basic 
source 
> > material that Alfonso Curaon is, so there will have to be a fair 
amount of 
> > continuity.  Plus, don't forget that Rowling seems to have a 
fair amount of 
> > involvement in scripting the movies, and the script is being 
written by the 
> > same screenwriter, both of which will help ensure that thing 
will be rather 
> > similar.
> 
> 
> Usually the company such as Warner Brothers will say to the author 
let us 
> have ownership of the characters we will bring forth on to the 
screen.  J.K 
> Rowlings gave her ownership of the 3 books to Warner Brothers so 
they could make 
> the film.  J.K Rowlings owns the books and the live action 
characters are owned 
> by warner Brothers not her listen to what I am saying.
> 
> 
Well JKR only agreed to let WB do the movie if she had say on the 
screen play. Since David and Chris are still involved in the 
production one has to assume that JKR is happy with what is going on.

Second, they put Quiddich in because there was protest? Come on in 
modern film making the whole movie is blocked out before the cameras 
even roll. Especially with computer graphics. There was a good 
chance the Quiddich match was completed last fall, except for Dan's 
live action part.

What I have seen so far they are as true to the story as the other 
two movies. They even got the Knight Bus color correct.

Bill





From d_lea25 at yahoo.ca  Tue May 27 00:27:08 2003
From: d_lea25 at yahoo.ca (Lea)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526185722.00b879c8@mail.kriselda.net>
Message-ID: <20030527002708.336.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com>



Kriselda Jarnsaxa <thorswitch at thunderhaven.net> wrote:

>I didn't say anything about Cuaron having an >Academy Award - I didn't know 
>he did. 

 

Lea:

If he won an Acadamy Award I can't find it.  He was nominated for Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen, for y tu mama tambien, however he did not win.  This is from www.imdb.com.  




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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue May 27 00:40:49 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:40:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <165.20583742.2c04070b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DCDF85C2-8FDB-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:10  , LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:

> James Bond was totally different from harry potter.?


But Batman wasn't? It seems to me that you just don't like the James 
Bond argument because it goes against what you believe is true.

As for the Batman argument that you like to use, you may not realize 
that there was a Batman movie made in the 60's that had basically the 
same cast as the TV show (Adam West, Burt Ward, etc.). Although I like 
Tim Burton's Batman films the best, he was not the first person to 
direct a Batman movie, and many people like the 60's Batman film much 
better than the recent four films. Therefore, Tim Burton was *not* the 
first person to bring Batman "to life" on the big screen, and he did 
*not* set the standard for the Batman films - he just added his 
personal touch to the ones he made. The 60's Batman film is much 
different than the recent ones, so someone could argue that Tim Burton 
"ruined" the films because his two versions were so much different than 
the original Batman film.

As for other films that have been adapted from books, take into 
consideration all of the films that have been made based on the 
Sherlock Holmes books - many actors have portrayed Sherlock Holmes in 
films and on TV, but that does not mean that any of the films or shows 
are bad. As long as an actor portrays the character in accordance with 
the book, there should be no problem. Of course, I am not saying that 
Arnold Schwartzenegger would make a good Draco Malfoy, but I do not 
think that the movie would be bad if Tom Felton decided to quit and 
someone else took over the role. (I know that you're worried about 
that, so I figured I'd say something about it. Hopefully, you won't 
blame it on the director if Tom decided to leave, like you are with 
everything else. How do you know that the actress who played the Fat 
Lady was "fired"? Perhaps she decided not to be in POA and left on her 
own accord - have you ever thought about that?)

illyana

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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Tue May 27 00:53:49 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:53:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <120.21b4109c.2c04111d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/03 8:42:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
illyana at mindspring.com writes:

> On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:10  , LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:
> 
> >James Bond was totally different from harry potter. 
> 
> 
> But Batman wasn't? It seems to me that you just don't like the James 
> Bond argument because it goes against what you believe is true.


Well I am tired of fighting with you all that was a mistake I should of said 
Batman as well as James Bond

> 
> As for the Batman argument that you like to use, you may not realize 
> that there was a Batman movie made in the 60's that had basically the 
> same cast as the TV show (Adam West, Burt Ward, etc.). Although I like 
> Tim Burton's Batman films the best, he was not the first person to 
> direct a Batman movie, and many people like the 60's Batman film much 
> better than the recent four films. Therefore, Tim Burton was *not* the 
> first person to bring Batman "to life" on the big screen, and he did 
> *not* set the standard for the Batman films - he just added his 
> personal touch to the ones he made. The 60's Batman film is much 
> different than the recent ones, so someone could argue that Tim Burton 
> "ruined" the films because his two versions were so much different than 
> the original Batman film.



True but which one did you like the most ??  

> 
> As for other films that have been adapted from books, take into 
> consideration all of the films that have been made based on the 
> Sherlock Holmes books - many actors have portrayed Sherlock Holmes in 
> films and on TV, but that does not mean that any of the films or shows 
> are bad. As long as an actor portrays the character in accordance with 
> the book, there should be no problem. Of course, I am not saying that 
> Arnold Schwartzenegger would make a good Draco Malfoy, but I do not 
> think that the movie would be bad if Tom Felton decided to quit and 
> someone else took over the role. (I know that you're worried about 
> that, so I figured I'd say something about it. Hopefully, you won't 
> blame it on the director if Tom decided to leave, like you are with 
> everything else. How do you know that the actress who played the Fat 
> Lady was "fired"? Perhaps she decided not to be in POA and left on her 
> own accord - have you ever thought about that?)



Well it wouldnt be the same if Tom left the Draco role and do you really want 
a new Draco when they already have tom.  As for the Fatlady no I hadnt 
considered that.  

> 
> illyana

Kyle Longbottom 


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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue May 27 01:07:40 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:07:40 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <120.21b4109c.2c04111d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9CBE7390-8FDF-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:53  , LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/26/03 8:42:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> illyana at mindspring.com writes:
>
> > On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 05:10? , LeeMunLim03 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >James Bond was totally different from harry potter.
> >
> >
> > But Batman wasn't? It seems to me that you just don't like the James
> > Bond argument because it goes against what you believe is true.
>
>
> Well I am tired of fighting with you all that was a mistake I should 
> of said
> Batman as well as James Bond

I hadn't said anything about Batman or James Bond before my last post - 
you had been arguing with someone else.

>
> > As for the Batman argument that you like to use, you may not realize
> > that there was a Batman movie made in the 60's that had basically the
> > same cast as the TV show (Adam West, Burt Ward, etc.).

<snipped the rest of my comment>

> True but which one did you like the most ???

If you read my last comment again, I said that I like the Tim Burton 
versions the best; however, that does not mean that everyone does, and 
that does not mean that he was the first person to make a Batman film.


> Well it wouldnt be the same if Tom left the Draco role and do you 
> really want
> a new Draco when they already have tom.? As for the Fatlady no I hadnt
> considered that.?

I agree that it "wouldn't be the same," but I would not stop watching 
the films. The character of Draco Malfoy was obviously not based on Tom 
Felton, and I am sure that another good actor would fill the role if 
Tom eventually decides to leave the film business. The actress who will 
be portraying the Fat Lady in POA (Dawn French, I believe) is a very 
good British actress, and I am sure she will do a beautiful job.

illyana

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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Tue May 27 01:23:16 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:23:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <165.20583742.2c04070b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030526202255.00bc8d58@mail.kriselda.net>

LeeMunLim03 at aol.com recently mentioned:

>James Bond was totally different from harry potter.

And Batman wasn't?




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From dracodemoiselle at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 02:22:21 2003
From: dracodemoiselle at yahoo.com (dracodemoiselle)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 02:22:21 -0000
Subject: Eddie Izzard
Message-ID: <baui4t+a3ob@eGroups.com>

Wow, I'd love to see Eddie in the HP movies . . . he really is an exceptional performer. After he rakes in the Tony along with the other awards he's received so far for A DAY IN THE DEATH OF JOE EGG, perhaps he'll be seen for the fine actor he is instead of as a transvestite. He could play Bagman, but he might be more interesting as Moody . . .  

DracoDemoiselle





From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 02:42:43 2003
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 02:42:43 -0000
Subject: Please Snip and Combine
In-Reply-To: <014201c323e4$93b11ec0$449ecdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <baujb3+m3ej@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> 
wrote:
> Snip > Okay, I have kept my mouth shut all day, but I can't any 
longer.  First of all, for those of us who get the list via email, 
it would be very helpful if you would combine comments, particularly 
shorter ones, into one post so that we don't have a dozen messages 
from the same person. <Snip> 
> Richelle

I *so* second Richelle here.  The last few digests (I don't have 
individual email) are also huge from people not snipping non-
essential information. Please, please combine the messages instead 
of having several one liners in a row.  It isn't too difficult I 
believe.  Plus, using one "!" and "?" is normally enough to get 
one's point across.  I wouldn't want a shortage of those two symbols 
to start. ;)

Thanks, 

A Goldfeesh

> 
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From potterfan23 at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 02:49:02 2003
From: potterfan23 at hotmail.com (Emily)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 02:49:02 -0000
Subject: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
Message-ID: <baujmu+okg7@eGroups.com>

I just had a scary thought...  I'm one of those folks who thinks 
Cuaron is going to do amazing things with PoA.  What if (or, when) 
Cuaron does an outstanding job, and everyone says he made the best 
movie of the three, and maybe even gets a nod for Best Director, 
Columbus gets jealous?  I know the directorship (is that a word?) is 
up in the air right now for GoF, and there's certainly the 
possibility that Cuaron won't want to continue with GoF, but could 
Columbus get rid of him out of spite?  I don't mean to imply that I 
think Columbus is an evil man or anything <g>, but he's already said 
he would consider directing GoF.  Would he force out a better 
director because everyone thought Cuaron did a better job?  (I'm 
assuming that as a producer, he may have the power to do that.  
Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

I don't know anything about Columbus, or the film industry, but I 
leapt with joy when I watched "A Little Princess," knowing that 
Cuaron would add so much heart to PoA.  I'm also hoping that he'll 
stick around because the books will get more and more emotional, and 
Columbus' lackluster style doesn't convey that.  I just have this 
awful feeling that we've finally got a wonderful director, and he 
may not stick around for GoF.  It's one thing if that's his choice, 
but I'll be very irritated if he doesn't get to continue because he 
stepped on Columbus' toes.  (Does this even make sense?  I spent a 
lot of time out in the sun today... <g>)

Different topic: As to the uniforms, who cares if they changed?  
They look great, and no one said that the change was Cuaron's idea 
(maybe Rowling complained).

Emily, who is dying for a lot of changes in the films, and also to 
know when we're going to get our first pictures of Lupin and 
Black  ;-)




From amani at charter.net  Tue May 27 02:59:46 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:59:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
References: <baujmu+okg7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <015401c323fc$086b8220$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Emily:
I just had a scary thought...  I'm one of those folks who thinks 
Cuaron is going to do amazing things with PoA.  What if (or, when) 
Cuaron does an outstanding job, and everyone says he made the best 
movie of the three, and maybe even gets a nod for Best Director, 
Columbus gets jealous?  I know the directorship (is that a word?) is 
up in the air right now for GoF, and there's certainly the 
possibility that Cuaron won't want to continue with GoF, but could 
Columbus get rid of him out of spite?  I don't mean to imply that I 
think Columbus is an evil man or anything <g>, but he's already said 
he would consider directing GoF.  Would he force out a better 
director because everyone thought Cuaron did a better job?  (I'm 
assuming that as a producer, he may have the power to do that.  
Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

Me:
Well, WB has the last say on something like Directorship, and I think they would be smart enough that, if raves started about Cuaron (especially if he got an Oscar nod), they'd keep him.

--Taryn

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From Meliss9900 at aol.com  Tue May 27 03:54:49 2003
From: Meliss9900 at aol.com (Meliss9900 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:54:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new uniforms? & new Dumbledore
Message-ID: <166.20d33553.2c043b89@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/26/2003 7:55:04 PM Central Standard Time, 
LeeMunLim03 at aol.com writes:

> Well it wouldnt be the same if Tom left the Draco role and do you really 
> want 
> a new Draco when they already have tom.  As for the Fatlady no I hadnt 
> considered that.  
> 
> 

Oh well in for a penny in for a pound

The issue isn't whether or not we want a new Draco. The issue is that Tom 
Felton might not want to play Draco.  He's given indications that he wants to 
quit when he's 16 and pursue a different path in life.  There's a huge difference 
between being fired and quitting

Melissa


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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue May 27 06:18:48 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:18:48 -0700
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
Message-ID: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>

I hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere on the list, so I figured I'd 
bring it up.

I am on another HP yahoogroup (one that's very juvenile in its 
discussion, to satisfy the kid in me), and someone recently posted a 
picture of an alleged poster for PoA. The person who posted the picture 
did not say where they found the picture, they just said "on a 
website," and the picture was in the photo area of the group homepage, 
so I have no idea where they found it. I had not heard anything about 
this on TLC or any other reputable HP website, so I am going to assume 
it's a fake. Plus, the picture that she posted is very small, and I 
cannot read any of the text at the bottom.

I posted it on my website for all to see:

http://www.homepage.mac.com/illyanadmc/.Pictures/poaposter.jpg

So... is this a fake or what?

illyana

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From siskiou at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 06:28:22 2003
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:28:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
References: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <127191227800.20030526232822@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Monday, May 26, 2003, 11:18:48 PM, illyana at mindspring.com wrote:

> So... is this a fake or what?

Not bad, even if it's a fake!

Is this the actor who plays Sirius?

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From illyana at mindspring.com  Tue May 27 06:32:17 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:32:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <127191227800.20030526232822@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F665BD8E-900C-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Monday, May 26, 2003, at 11:28  , Susanne wrote:

> Not bad, even if it's a fake!
>
> Is this the actor who plays Sirius?
>


Yah, it's definitely Gary Oldman (or someone who looks a *lot* like 
him). That's one reason that I wasn't sure at first whether or not it 
was a fake. I do agree, though, that it's a darn good fake if it does 
turn out to be one.

illyana

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From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Tue May 27 08:11:18 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:11:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eddie Izzard
In-Reply-To: <baui4t+a3ob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030527030827.02165fd8@mail.kriselda.net>

dracodemoiselle recently mentioned:

>Wow, I'd love to see Eddie in the HP movies . . . he really is an 
>exceptional performer. After he rakes in the Tony along with the other 
>awards he's received so far for A DAY IN THE DEATH OF JOE EGG, perhaps 
>he'll be seen for the fine actor he is instead of as a transvestite. He 
>could play Bagman, but he might be more interesting as Moody . . .

I would LOVE to see Eddie in HP, but I'm not sure if either of those would 
be quite right - though I'd lean more towards Bagman for him than 
Moody...  An amusing option would be for him to play Madame Maxime :)  I 
think someone else had suggested him for Rita Skeeter, which might not be a 
bad choice, either.


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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 09:16:54 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:16:54 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <bavae6+d0ne@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean <illyana at m...> 
wrote:
> I hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere on the list, so I figured I'd 
> bring it up.
> 
That's a good poster, but it seems a bit early for WB to release one. We're 
more than a year away from the premiere and from what I understand, the 
release date has not even been 100% confirmed. Though it seems unlikely, 
the style suggest it could be a teaser poster comparable to the one of Dobby 
for CoS. Surely, it would have been up on the WB site if it were?

Sophia

BTW, I apoligize for the dreadful spelling mistakes in my last post on 
"changes." Can I just clarify that I am for change, in case that got lost in the 
barrage of posts that followed. (None of which responded to my post 
specifically, though.) Wow! That was some passion! It made me a little sick to 
the stomach, actually. I thought several of you were rather rude to each 
other, which was uncalled for. Also, please don't use the list as you would a 
chat room. Please avoid the one-sentence posts that are nothing more than 
an exclamation.Make proper posts, people!




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 10:43:16 2003
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:43:16 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <bavae6+d0ne@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bavfg4+mpu0@eGroups.com>


My opinion - nice poster but probably a fake (too early perhaps for 
teasers to be released if the film-makers are *trying* to keep a low 
profile in order to lens the film with minimal fuss). After seeing 
Oldman's appearance in "Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead", have 
to say that I am even more convinced in his brilliant casting.
 
Aside - Yikes! I didn't think that an innocently named subject such 
as "new uniforms" would rile the grown-ups on this little board up 
so much. I won't even dare re-visit the subject of Lucius' Ava... at 
the end of CoS (though until I visited this board, I honestly 
thought that he was just clearing his throat... or gargling :) ). 
J.K. Rowling is in a singular position in our world today - her 
stories are so venerated (and we typing here are a small testimony 
to that), that should the film-makers put a toe wrong, her militant 
fan base (and I refer to the kids) would make a huge fuss. I doubt 
that any other author today has had the power to stipulate matters 
(such as the nationality of the actors portraying her characters), 
as Ms Rowling has. I think that the films are in safe hands whilst 
she continue to write books that kids line up to read. 

Also - I'm a wee bit confused ... should I be combining my messages 
in one post or will I then be posting off-topic?  

Sara ELL






From manda at qx.net  Tue May 27 14:15:18 2003
From: manda at qx.net (Amanda Pressnell)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:15:18 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <3ED31086.27969.F67309@localhost>

On 26 May 2003 at 23:18, illyana delorean wrote:
> 
> http://www.homepage.mac.com/illyanadmc/.Pictures/poaposter.jpg

Hmm.. Are those dreadlocks I spy? It looks like Jamaican!Sirius to me! Or maybe he just hasn't had access to a comb for 12 years. Still, it is a good fake.

I'll join the chorus asking people to *please* combine posts. Most mailing lists have rules against one-liners and I'm sure this one does too ( 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/files/Admin%20Files/ ). When I checked my e-mail this morning a full third of the messages were sent by one person. Not 
very "grown-up" behavior at all. This has to be stopped.

Manda
--
http://www.mandamia.com



From keithm at vsnl.com  Tue May 27 15:28:22 2003
From: keithm at vsnl.com (ihatethis99in)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:28:22 -0000
Subject: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
In-Reply-To: <015401c323fc$086b8220$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <bb006m+pngm@eGroups.com>


> Emily:
> I just had a scary thought...  I'm one of those folks who thinks 
> Cuaron is going to do amazing things with PoA.  What if (or, when) 
> Cuaron does an outstanding job, and everyone says he made the best 
> movie of the three, and maybe even gets a nod for Best Director, 
> Columbus gets jealous?  I know the directorship (is that a word?is 
> up in the air right now for GoF, and there's certainly the 
> possibility that Cuaron won't want to continue with GoF, but could 
> Columbus get rid of him out of spite?  I don't mean to imply that 
I 
> think Columbus is an evil man or anything <g>, but he's already 
said 
> he would consider directing GoF.  Would he force out a better 
> director because everyone thought Cuaron did a better job?  (I'm 
> assuming that as a producer, he may have the power to do that.  
> Please correct me if I'm wrong!)
> 
> Taryn:
> Well, WB has the last say on something like Directorship, and I 
think they would be smart enough that, if raves started about Cuaron 
(especially if he got an Oscar nod), they'd keep him.


Me:
Getting critical raves and an Oscar nod  will mean NOTHING to 
Warner - they're ONLY interested in the bottom line!

If the movie does badly (and it could very well do badly, Curaon is 
taking one hell of a risk by radically departing from JKR's set 
story line) even Curaon's getting the Best Director Oscar is not 
going to make a difference to Warner - they'll see to it that Curaon 
gets the boot together with the imprint (you know where) faster than 
Daniel Radcliff can say "Firebolt"!

The problem with the Harry Potter property (and you can be sure that 
Warner Bros. treats as such) is that the money lies with the massive 
number of patrons who've read the book and want to see what they've 
read faithfully rendered on screen - because if this, all of the 
four movies have an instant audience - and this is the massive 
audience that Columbus made use of. 

Now, a new director can do one of two things:

1) He or she can either please this audience, or 
2) Displease this audience

If Curaon pleases the audience, this is no big deal, because 
Columbus has done it before, BUT if he displeases that preset 
audience, even critical raves and an Oscar nod's not going to make 
an iota of a difference! 

Why ? Simply because the number of people seeing the movie after  
Curaon gets the Oscar nod will be far less than the individuals who 
initially saw it, hated it and refused to see it again or the 
possible fans who wanted to see it but stayed away simply because 
their friends criticized it!!

So an Oscar nod isn't going to do anything for Curaon if the numbers 
go south like ducks in winter!


On a personal note:
Many assume that this movie will be great simply because of the 
Curaon name and "The Little Pincess" but I beg to defer - I've seen 
another little movie (made by the gr8 Curaon himself) called "Great 
Expectations" and a fine mess he made of that one; which was based 
on the book of the same name by Charles Dickens (yes, THE Charles 
Dickens of Oliver Twist fame).

Curaon made changes so drastic that he even saw it fit to change the 
name of the protogonist from Pip to Finn (as if Pip wasn't hep or 
modern enough for him). Let's just hope that he doesn't change our 
beloved hero's name from Harry Potter to Larry Rotter and change the 
location of Azkaban to Azarbaijan!

If you haven't read Dicken's "Great Expectations", I strongly urge 
all listees to read the same, then view Curaon's movie of the same 
name.  Perhaps it will give one an idea as to how he treat Potter - 
or should I say Rotter (after Curaon's finished with him :( ) 

In any case, this Harry Potter fan is afraid, very afraid!

Regards, 
Keith




From potterfan23 at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 15:36:16 2003
From: potterfan23 at hotmail.com (Emily F)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:36:16 -0500
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
Message-ID: <BAY8-F519jRCGHvkvA300013114@hotmail.com>

>So... is this a fake or what?
>
>illyana

My gut says it's a fake, because it is waaaaay too early for them to be 
promoting PoA... but then I remind myself about how eager Hollywood can be 
sometimes, and then I'm just not sure.  :-)  However, don't they usually 
make the movie-theater previews first?  I can't imagine many movie theaters 
wanting to put up a poster for a movie that won't be out for another year 
(what with this summer's line-up of excellent sequels LOL!).  It just seems 
too early for this to be genuine, but I just know nothing about movie 
promotion.  I have to believe that someone on this list does.

I do agree with what everyone said - if it's a fake, it's a good fake.  I 
was a little disappointed at first that Gary Oldman didn't look scary enough 
for me, but I suppose I shouldn't complain since the PoA posters will be 
adorning my walls.  :-)

Emily

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From Audra1976 at aol.com  Tue May 27 16:00:45 2003
From: Audra1976 at aol.com (Audra1976 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:00:45 EDT
Subject: PoA Filming
Message-ID: <12a.2acb5e1f.2c04e5ad@aol.com>

Hi all,

Can anyone in the know tell me where they are in the Prisoner of Azkaban 
filming?  Originally there was a lot of info.  They filmed Harry with the Dursleys 
and Marge and the Knight Bus. Then there was something about Hagrid's hut.  
The last picture I saw was the one of Emma, Daniel, and Rupert walking down a 
hill outside (could that have been the Hogsmeade trip?  Someone let me know if 
I missed something.

Speaking of that picture of the three kids, one thing I noticed is that Emma 
and Rupert are expressionless, or maybe even looking a little glum, but Daniel 
still has that big smile on his face that he has in all the on-the-set 
pictures.  It's great to see that he is having so much fun.  He seems like a really 
nice, good-spirited kid, and that just makes me want to watch him more.

-Audra-



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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 16:08:25 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:08:25 -0000
Subject: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
In-Reply-To: <bb006m+pngm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb02hp+p8l2@eGroups.com>

Keith said:

> On a personal note:
> Many assume that this movie will be great simply because of 
the 
> Curaon name and "The Little Pincess" but I beg to defer - I've 
seen 
> another little movie (made by the gr8 Curaon himself) called 
"Great 
> Expectations" and a fine mess he made of that one; which was 
based 
> on the book of the same name by Charles Dickens (yes, THE 
Charles 
> Dickens of Oliver Twist fame).
> 
> Curaon made changes so drastic that he even saw it fit to 
change the 
> name of the protogonist from Pip to Finn (as if Pip wasn't hep 
or 
> modern enough for him). Let's just hope that he doesn't 
change our 
> beloved hero's name from Harry Potter to Larry Rotter and 
change the 
> location of Azkaban to Azarbaijan!
> 

Cuaron is not free to do anything he pleases with the script. 
Remember, it is still part of a series and the parts have to ad up! 
Besides, on the previous two movies, Rowling helped 
script-writer Steven Kloves on what parts need to stay in the 
adaptaions. I don't think we're going to see "Larry Rotter"...

Also, there is difference between filming Great Expectations and 
filming PoA. Cuaron was free to take all kinds of liberties with 
Great Expectations for several reasons: 
1)Cuaron's "Great Expectations was not intended as a faithful 
book-to-screen adaptation. It was more of a film based on and 
inspired by the book, not a screen version of it. 
2)It has been filmed many times before in a more traditional 
manner. Cuaron comes along and decides not to repeat what 
has been doen many times before and instead turns it into  a 
modern-day interpretation of it rather than make a 
costume-drama.
3)Dickens is dead
4)Great Expectations does not enjoy a following of millions of 
whatchful fans...

I don't know Chris Columbus personally, but I think he'd be a big 
enough man and passionate enough about the end result to let 
Cuaron continue if he did a terrific movie and was willing to stay 
on.

Sophia





From tahewitt at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 16:26:20 2003
From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
In-Reply-To: <1054023143.364.59159.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030527162620.87978.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com>

Emily-
I just had a scary thought...  I'm one of those folks
who thinks Cuaron is going to do amazing things with
PoA.  What if (or, when) Cuaron does an outstanding
job, and everyone says he made the best movie of the
three, and maybe even gets a nod for Best Director, 
Columbus gets jealous?  I know the directorship (is
that a word?) is up in the air right now for GoF, and
there's certainly the possibility that Cuaron won't
want to continue with GoF, but could Columbus get rid
of him out of spite?  I don't mean to imply that I 
think Columbus is an evil man or anything <g>, but
he's already said he would consider directing GoF. 
Would he force out a better director because everyone
thought Cuaron did a better job?  (I'm assuming that
as a producer, he may have the power to do that.  
Please correct me if I'm wrong!)


Me-
I agree with you that I think Cuaron is going to do
amazing things with PoA. I was also thrilled when I
found out Gary Oldman was playing Sirius Black. I'm
looking forward to an entertaining, original film that
succeeds as both a FILM and as an adaptation.
I seem to recall reading someplace that Cuaron has
already said he was not going to do GoF. Don't
remember where I read this, maybe in the NY Times? I
think he has other projects he wants to work on. I
also recall Columbus saying something to the effect
that he doesn't really want to do GoF either, that
it's 'too soon'. So, keep your fingers crossed for
Terry Gilliam! (yeah, that will NEVER happen. He's
brilliant, but the studios seem to hate him).
Tyler

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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 17:11:04 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:11:04 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <BAY8-F519jRCGHvkvA300013114@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb0678+tmab@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Emily F" <potterfan23 at h...> 
wrote:
> >So... is this a fake or what?
> >
> >illyana
> 
> My gut says it's a fake, because it is waaaaay too early for them 
to be 
> promoting PoA... but then I remind myself about how eager 
Hollywood can be 
> sometimes, and then I'm just not sure.  :-) 

Me: This poster that everyone is talking about is a fan's idea - it 
was their simple attempt to put something out there. I saw the 
poster on some HP site (am trying to locate) & thought it was good. 
It is not from WB, it's only a fan's idea - nothing more.




From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Tue May 27 17:17:30 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:17:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
In-Reply-To: <bb006m+pngm@eGroups.com>
References: <015401c323fc$086b8220$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030527114859.00b5f238@mail.kriselda.net>

ihatethis99in recently mentioned:

>If the movie does badly (and it could very well do badly, Curaon is
>taking one hell of a risk by radically departing from JKR's set
>story line)

What departures is he making?  Do we know how many of them are definately 
Curaon's and how many where written into the script by Steve Kloves?  I 
mean my questions seriously. The only real departure I've heard of is that 
there's a lot less Quidditch in the movie than there is in the book, and so 
some of the Quidditch characters (such as Oliver Wood) aren't being used.

>The problem with the Harry Potter property (and you can be sure that
>Warner Bros. treats as such) is that the money lies with the massive
>number of patrons who've read the book and want to see what they've
>read faithfully rendered on screen - because if this, all of the
>four movies have an instant audience - and this is the massive
>audience that Columbus made use of.

Agreed - and I imagine that Warner Brothers will do what they have to so 
that Cuaron doesn't put the franchise at risk.

>Curaon made changes so drastic that he even saw it fit to change the
>name of the protogonist from Pip to Finn (as if Pip wasn't hep or
>modern enough for him). Let's just hope that he doesn't change our
>beloved hero's name from Harry Potter to Larry Rotter and change the
>location of Azkaban to Azarbaijan!

I think we can be pretty well assured that he won't be making changes like 
that.  As for Great Expectations, I would ask the same question - do we 
know what changes were generated by Cuaron and what were made by the 
scriptwriter?  I don't know much about the production of that movie, so I'm 
not sure if Cuaron went to the producers and told them he had an idea for 
an update of Great Expectations set in modern New York City, or if the 
producers came to him and said they had a script updating Great 
Expectations to modern New York City and asked him to direct it.

Believe me, I understand being worried about how something's going to come 
out - I'm still not convinced that Gary Oldman will do a good job as 
Sirius, but I am willing to give him a chance.  I know that there are many 
people involved in making this movie, and all of them are aware of not only 
how important it is that they turn out a product that respects JK Rowling's 
vision of the story, but also meets, if not exceeds, the expectations of 
the audience.  I just have to trust that they know what they're doing and 
that the movie will be everything we hope it will be.

Kriselda


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From CLShannon at aol.com  Tue May 27 17:19:51 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:19:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA poster or a fake?
Message-ID: <145.124de167.2c04f837@aol.com>


In a message dated 5/27/03 3:44:21 AM, sara1412au at yahoo.com writes:

<< I won't even dare re-visit the subject of Lucius' Ava... at 

the end of CoS (though until I visited this board, I honestly 

thought that he was just clearing his throat... or gargling :) ).  >>

LOL! I like that - clearing his throat ;-)
I put closed captioning on while watching and my cc said 'Vera...' for the 
beginning of his curse - hmm, wonder what he was thinking of changing Harry 
into? Wasn't that the beginning of the transfiguration curse that McGonagall said 
in her lesson? 
Of course, closed captioning is notoriously unreliable - I just thought I'd 
mention what mine said during that infamous scene.
Not that I want another 'war' to start - oh goodness <g>
Cindy



From kechelsen at aol.com  Tue May 27 21:11:39 2003
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:11:39 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <bavfg4+mpu0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb0kab+u9km@eGroups.com>

<<--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
Also - I'm a wee bit confused ... should I be combining my messages 
in one post or will I then be posting off-topic?  >>

I think it's more a case of cutting out unnecessary stuff.  People 
were replying to messages and not deleting the parts of the original 
message that they were not replying to?  Does that make sense? Lol...

For example, when I hit "reply" to answer your question, I deleted 
everything but your question at the end, which is the only thing I am 
responding to.

And I have to agree that there are some people who are getting overly 
annoyed and upset about a movie that it still being filmed, and about 
which we are only hearing rumors and innuendo.  For all we know the 
little bits that are coming to us is information received third or 
even fourth hand and may be vastly different from the actual truth.  
To me, it seems a bit pointless to be working up a rage over 
something we won't see for a year, and for all we know, may be better 
than we expected.  We shouldn't pass judgment before we have 
something to judge.  Now, if you have nothing better to do than work 
up that rage, then go right ahead...






From geri510 at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 22:25:29 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:25:29 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <bb0678+tmab@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb0okp+pcdj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geri510" <geri510 at y...> wrote:
This poster that everyone is talking about is a fan's idea - it 
was their simple attempt to put something out there. I saw the 
poster on some HP site (am trying to locate) & thought it was good. 
It is not from WB, it's only a fan's idea - nothing more.


Me again: I found the site where I originally saw the poster -- 
www.digicasey.com -- if you go to HP Movie page you will also see an 
addition redition of a poster from a fan.

G




From wendy.moncur at nre.vic.gov.au  Tue May 27 22:59:44 2003
From: wendy.moncur at nre.vic.gov.au (Wendy Moncur)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:59:44 -0000
Subject: Mapping Diagon Alley
Message-ID: <bb0ql0+7c5m@eGroups.com>

It is possible to map Diagon Alley as it appears in the movies by 
pausing DVDs.
Best initial source: the Diagon Alley Tour on the extra DVD in 
Chamber of Secrets boxed set.
Then: Scenes from Philosopher's Stone.

In a nutshell, imagine you are standing at the entrance from The Leaky 
Cauldron, facing Diagon Alley. Ahead of you is a straight narrow 
street which forks at the end either side of Gringotts. The entrance 
where you stand also forms a fork. To your left the road continues up 
some steps, to your right the road is on the same level - this is 
Knockturn Alley. (or at the very least, Knockturn Alley is somewhere 
along this road - there is a sign pointing to Knockturn Alley - it 
could be pointing *towards the direction* of KA, rather that actually 
*at* it)

The shops on your left (from where you are down towards Gringotts) are 
as follows:
An unknown Red-painted shop
Pottages's Cauldron Shop
Madam Malkin's Robes
Eyelops Owl Emporium
Wizeacres Wizardry Equipment
Apothecary - potions
Apothecary - herbs and plants
Magical Menagerie

The shops on your right are as follows:
A bookshop (this is half in Diagon Alley, half in Knockturn Alley)
Ice-cream Parlour
Quality Quidditch Supplies
Scribbulous Writing Instruments
Ollivanders
Flourish & Blotts

This list was put together from the sources mentioned above, in about 
45 minutes of playing, pausing and scribbling. Anyone with changes or 
better evidence to the contrary, please feel free to correct me. I am 
unsure of the exact location of Ollivanders - it may be a shop or two 
out. I need to go back to the DA tour to be sure.
Notes: It helps to write down the colour of shop-fronts when doing 
this. It also helps to pause, and zoom in on signs.
I am now working on the relative size of shops, and would like to draw 
them properly. Hey if anyone has done this, please let me know!

Cheers!
the_crafty_turtle





From susannahlm at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 00:16:53 2003
From: susannahlm at yahoo.com (derannimer)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:16:53 -0000
Subject: PoA Poster or fake?
Message-ID: <bb0v5l+9lee@eGroups.com>

Yeah, it's a fan pic. 

I first saw it linked from, I believe, the Snitch:

http://www.thesnitch.co.uk/news/images/poster2.jpg'



Derannimer, who is sorry for the one-liner-ly-ness of this post, and 
who wants to add her voice to the chorus of those calling for the 
halt of such one-liners




From illyana at mindspring.com  Wed May 28 00:33:52 2003
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:33:52 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA Poster or fake?
In-Reply-To: <bb0v5l+9lee@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0EBF5F47-90A4-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>


On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 05:16  , derannimer wrote:

> Yeah, it's a fan pic.
>
> I first saw it linked from, I believe, the Snitch:
>
> http://www.thesnitch.co.uk/news/images/poster2.jpg'
>

Thanks for the link! I admit that I am not a regular visitor of the 
Snitch, so I guess that's why I missed seeing the poster.

By the way, your link had an additional, unnecessary character added at 
the end. Here's a working one:
http://www.thesnitch.co.uk/news/images/poster2.jpg

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From WFeuchter at msn.com  Wed May 28 00:51:08 2003
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:51:08 -0000
Subject: Change of subject
Message-ID: <bb115s+280e@eGroups.com>

I just received the Australian promotional DVD that I purchased on 
Ebay. I found it extemely interesting especially the cast interviews 
and the behind the scene clips. Interviews included Dan, Rupert, 
Emma, Tom, Robbie, Kenneth, Chris, and David.

It appears that the interviews were much longer than what was 
presented as they were cut into 2 to 3 minute clips. I was most 
impressed with Dan's interview as it showed insight into how he 
thinks about acting and how he goes about improving his acting. 
Kenneth talked about how his character changed from the intial 
concept to the final on screen version. Robbie talked some about the 
trio has matured.

The behind the scenes clips were interesting especially how many 
people are withing inches of the actors while filming is going on. 
In one scene in the common room Dan Rubert and Emma are talking and 
Chris, the camera man, the sound man and what I assume someone with 
the script are walking around and around the actors with in inches 
and the kids act just like they are not there. 

You also see how well Chris works with the kids, and how he 
communicates his ideas without making them feel they made an error. 
Dan also commented on how relaxed the set is even when shooting.

If you get hold of one of these it must be played (in the USA) on a 
DVD ROM player on a computer. You have to change Windows Media 
Player from Region 1 to Region 4.

Bill





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed May 28 01:10:26 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:10:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Change of subject
References: <bb115s+280e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <013101c324b5$ed02f3a0$e79ecdd1@RVotaw>

Bill wrote:

> impressed with Dan's interview as it showed insight into how he 
> thinks about acting and how he goes about improving his acting. 
> Kenneth talked about how his character changed from the intial 
> concept to the final on screen version. Robbie talked some about the 
> trio has matured.

Wow, you're further ahead then I am.  I got it 2 or 3 weeks ago and I've still not watched all the interviews.  Only Dan's, which was very good.  And I just adore it when he tries to think of the right word to use.  Too cute.

> Chris, the camera man, the sound man and what I assume someone with 
> the script are walking around and around the actors with in inches 
> and the kids act just like they are not there. 

I loved that clip.  It's what convinced me (as if I didn't know already) that I'd never be an actress. :)  I could never ignore people that close to me. 

> You also see how well Chris works with the kids, and how he 
> communicates his ideas without making them feel they made an error. 

Exactly.  Just like the clip from the scene eventually cut and replaced with the outdoor scene with the same dialog where Chris tells Rupert how to hold the wand differently.  Then tells him how great he was doing.  To which Rupert replied "Cool."  I think that's his favorite word.  Anyway, did you notice how that rat was crawling all over his hand the whole time he was talking in that scene?  Eww.

I really loved watching these behind the scene clips, and I'll get to the other interviews soon!

Richelle


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From jgates at eddinc.net  Wed May 28 01:51:11 2003
From: jgates at eddinc.net (Jean Gates)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:51:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Change of subject
In-Reply-To: <013101c324b5$ed02f3a0$e79ecdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <000101c324bb$a05d28d0$55d86fd8@jgatescomputer>



> Richelle wrote: 

>> Bill wrote:

>> impressed with Dan's interview as it showed insight into how he 
>> thinks about acting and how he goes about improving his acting. 
>> Kenneth talked about how his character changed from the intial 
>> concept to the final on screen version. Robbie talked some about the 
>> trio has matured.

> Wow, you're further ahead then I am.  I got it 2 or 3 weeks ago and I've
> still not watched all the interviews.  Only Dan's, which was very good.
> And I just adore it when he tries to think of the right word to use.
> Too cute.

>> Chris, the camera man, the sound man and what I assume someone with 
>> the script are walking around and around the actors with in inches 
>> and the kids act just like they are not there. 

> I loved that clip.  It's what convinced me (as if I didn't know already)
> that I'd never be an actress. :)  I could never ignore people that close
> to me. 

>> You also see how well Chris works with the kids, and how he 
>> communicates his ideas without making them feel they made an error. 

> Exactly.  Just like the clip from the scene eventually cut and replaced
> with the outdoor scene with the same dialog where Chris tells Rupert how
> to hold the wand differently.  Then tells him how great he was doing.
> To which Rupert replied "Cool."  I think that's his favorite word.
> Anyway, did you notice how that rat was crawling all over his hand the
> whole time he was talking in that scene?  Eww.

>> I really loved watching these behind the scene clips, and I'll get to
>> the other interviews soon!


Jean:

I am soooo jealous.  I finally got one off of ebay and I am waiting for
it to delivered.  I can't wait to see what you guys have already gotten
to see.  That is great as it gives me something else to look forward to
besides the new book.

 

 






From Ali at zymurgy.org  Wed May 28 08:54:03 2003
From: Ali at zymurgy.org (Ali)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:54:03 -0000
Subject: Combining posts
Message-ID: <bb1tfb+ohr2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:

>>> Also - I'm a wee bit confused ... should I be combining my 
messages in one post or will I then be posting off-topic? <<<

We ask that listees combine their messages when they are little 
more than one liners so that other people do not have their 
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If you do decide to combine, please make sure that the header 
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For example a header saying "New uniforms/ Eddie Izzard" would show 
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On a connected note, we would like to reiterate the rule against 
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For the Admin Team





From wendy.moncur at nre.vic.gov.au  Wed May 28 23:57:00 2003
From: wendy.moncur at nre.vic.gov.au (Wendy Moncur)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:57:00 -0000
Subject: It's the same shop! - was: Mapping Diagon Alley
In-Reply-To: <bb0ql0+7c5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb3icc+uk2k@eGroups.com>


> I am unsure of the exact location of Ollivanders - 
> it may be a shop or two out. 
> I need to go back to the DA tour to be sure.

Ollivanders and Flourish & Blotts are in the same shop!
In the extra disc from CoS, the Diagon Alley Tour shows a shop with a 
black door and a bay window either side. You can go inside. It is 
Flourish & Blotts. Note the position of staircases, and the general 
layout of the store. This shop is right across from a dark magenta 
coloured apothecary. (This tour is the easiest way to see the shop, 
because it is fairly empty of people, and you can control what you 
look at)
Now go to Philosopher's stone (the movie) and run the scene where 
Harry and Hagrid are in Diagon Alley - as they walk down the street. 
At exactly the point where Hagrid points out Gringotts, behind his 
head you see the sign on Ollivanders shop.
Later, Harry goes into Ollivanders. Notice the layout - the position 
of the staircase, and the fact you can see the same apothecary 
through the windows across the street.
Now play the Chamber of Secrets scene in Flourish & Blotts - the same 
shop. You can see the same apothecary across the street. 

Okay, maybe from a filming point of view they only built one shop 
which can hold the number of actors/crew required for the bookstore 
scene in CoS, so they re-dressed Ollivanders, but surely when they 
originally built the set, they would have known there were scenes in 
later movies that required such large spaces in other shops.

>From purely a fantasy point of view though, it does work - it IS 
magic after all. If you want to go to Ollivanders, you get 
Ollivanders, if you want Flourish & Blotts, you get Flourish and 
Blotts. Similar to platform 9 & 3/4 - sometimes you get the platform, 
sometimes you get a barrier. 
So I guess the magic-powers-that-be know that Harry is 11 years old, 
about to go to Hogwarts and therefore needs a wand, so it gives him 
Ollivanders. Later, he doesn't need a wand, so he gets the bookstore. 
Just a theory.  

It does make it hard to draw a map though. :)

Change of topic: Say, did anyone else notice: in PS when Harry and 
Hagrid approach the Leaky Cauldron from Muggle London, the sign 
outside slowly changes from plain black to a "Leaky Cauldron" sign 
they can read.


"the_crafty_turtle"





From suzloua at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 01:59:31 2003
From: suzloua at hotmail.com (Susan Atherton)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 02:59:31 +0100
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
Message-ID: <Sea1-DAV60GYkNUTvl70001e7be@hotmail.com>

Is it just me, or does Sirius have Lee Jordan's tarantula on his head?

I would say it's definitely a fake, since the words PRISONER and AZKABAN look very much like they've been superimposed, as does the aforementioned dreadlock 'do. It's pretty cool though, and it's definitely a good fake. I'd like the real one to feature Sirius, as like Dobby, he is the main new character (not to say that Dobby was the main character, but everyone was intrigued to see the CGI, certainly). If not Sirius, I'd perhaps like to see a shot of a wolf in shadow - or would that give the game away a bit?

I'd imagine the actual poster (like the one in CoS that had Dan with his sword, Hermione looking round shocked and Ron with the broken wand) will feature Dan and Hermione on Buckbeak, Sirius and Snape nose-to-nose, a silver stag, maybe a wolf in front of the Shrieking Shack, and hopefully a full moon at the top shining down on everyone. Well, I'd *like* to imagine the actual poster like that, anyhow.

I think I missed a bit of a doozie of a fight this last week - sigh, I do love a good argument. 

Susan
also standing behind the "please snip" initiative (hopefully these people know who they are, otherwise I'm all up for a public name and shame! ;D), and wishing Kyle would add some logic to his debates next time...
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu May 29 02:32:33 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:32:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Aussie DVD
Message-ID: <3B2480C4.0428C895.0AE51F07@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/28/2003 3:18:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> Jean:
> 
> I am soooo jealous.  I finally got one off of ebay and I am waiting for
> it to delivered.  I can't wait to see what you guys have already gotten
> to see.  That is great as it gives me something else to 
> look forward to
> besides the new book.

I've been traveling and haven't managed to get one of these, despite getting in on the bidding a couple of times.  Is there any other way to get a copy of this besides eBay?  It's really unfair that we in non-Aussie countries didn't get it!  argh. . .

Lynda



From amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 29 13:23:33 2003
From: amy_marblefeet at yahoo.co.uk (amy_marblefeet)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:23:33 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <1446B3CE-900B-11D7-9DA2-003065B8B954@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <bb51kl+7e8u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean <illyana at m...> 
wrote:

> someone recently posted a 
> picture of an alleged poster for PoA. The person who posted the 
picture 
> did not say where they found the picture, they just said "on a 
> website," and the picture was in the photo area of the group 
homepage, 
> so I have no idea where they found it. I had not heard anything 
about 
> this on TLC or any other reputable HP website, so I am going to 
assume 
> it's a fake. Plus, the picture that she posted is very small, and I 
> cannot read any of the text at the bottom.
> 
> I posted it on my website for all to see:
> 
> http://www.homepage.mac.com/illyanadmc/.Pictures/poaposter.jpg
> 
> So... is this a fake or what?
> 

I am sure this is a fake poster but not for the reason that it is way 
to early for WB to be promoting the next movie.

For the quite simple reason that you do not reveal what the bad guy 
looks like if for almost the whole movie all you are going to see of 
him is a swirling black figure cloacked in shadows.  Perhaps just his 
haunted eyes visible for a second.

You do not reveal the bad guy in a poster and give away what he looks 
like,  hell, the Basilisk and Tom Riddle didn't even feature in the 
adverts for CoS and niether will Black in the upcoming trailer for 
PoA.  I doubt that we will see Gary Oldman on any of the promotional 
material for PoA.  There will be plenty of David Thewlis as Lupin and 
Alan Rickman as Snape perhaps glaring at each other from other sides 
of a billboard with the trio in between but the only hint of Sirius 
we will get from the promotional machine at WB is probably the image 
of a large and very frightening dog.

Of course maybe I am wrong and the three men of Harry's fathers 
generation will feature quite heavily in the advertising, perhaps 
even Peter will sneek in under the guise of Scabbers but my 
assumptions are of the studio wanting to tease the audience, the 
leading man or woman is never the first to appear on stage and if 
they are they are always only reveled in part.    As an example in 
advertising the character Gollum was not revealed on any posters 
untill the movie The Two Towers had been out for some time.

Well, gosh that post kind of got out of hand and I seemed to have 
rambled on a bit but I hope I got my point across.

A post coming on the probable ways to promote PoA.

Amy






From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 16:55:12 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tom Felton/Bonnie Wright Interview
In-Reply-To: <bb51kl+7e8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20030529165512.83006.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>

I thought you guys might be interested in an interview that Charlotte posted on her fabulous fan site, "Tom Felton UK" http://www.tomfeltonuk.cjb.net/ 
 
You will have to dig a little, but it is a translation of an interview with Tom Felton and Bonnie Wright that took place during the Chamber of Secrets launch party.  The original is here, in Portuguese, on this Brazilian web site: http://www.omelete.com.br/cinema/artigos/base_para_artigos.asp?artigo=1292 
 
I know I am not at liberty to reprint the entire thing, but here are my favourite parts:
 
[begin excerpt]
Q: Are you planning to be in all of the films?
Tom: It?s still early. We finished filming the beginning of the third film. But yes I think so. I really want to do all of them. 
 
Q: What is it like filming with Alfonso Cuar?n? 
Tom: He?s very good! I was really nervous before I met him. I didn?t know what to expect. I thought that he would be very different from Chris, but he?s really great. I found that Alfonso can be quite serious, but he?s also crazy and funny. He makes everything very easy for us. On set it?s not work, it?s like a joke. 
 
Q: Have you finished filming the end of the third film? 
Tom: Not yet. 
 
Q: Is there going to be Quidditch? There have been some rumours that there isn?t going to be any Quidditch. 
Tom: Unfortunately I?m not able to say. 
 
Q: You didn?t receive the entire script? 
Tom: I received it, but unfortunately I?m not able to tell you whether or not there are certain parts in the film. Or I would have to kill you. 
[end excerpt]
 
Odile
:::22 days... 22 days... 22 days:::



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From geri510 at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 17:24:31 2003
From: geri510 at yahoo.com (geri510)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:24:31 -0000
Subject: Tom Felton/Bonnie Wright Interview
In-Reply-To: <20030529165512.83006.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bb5fof+ot8p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Odile Falaise <odilefalaise at y...> 
wrote:
> Q: Are you planning to be in all of the films?
> Tom: It's still early. We finished filming the beginning of the 
third film. But yes I think so. I really want to do all of them. 

Me: I wonder if this will dispel those who say that Tom is leaving 
after this movie?  





From slaross at total.net  Thu May 29 17:40:54 2003
From: slaross at total.net (tiggereh1987)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:40:54 -0000
Subject: Would Columbus get rid of Cuaron?
In-Reply-To: <bb006m+pngm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb5gn6+uk95@eGroups.com>

Hi All,

A couple comments in reply:

Keith said:
Getting critical raves and an Oscar nod will mean NOTHING to Warner -
 they're ONLY interested in the bottom line!
Now Me:
An Oscar nod certainly will mean something to Warner Brothers.  How 
can it not?  It would legitimize the entire Harry Potter franchise 
and prove that it's not just a kid's book turned into a movie to 
make more money.  It would show that it is truly a good film by 
itself.

Keith Said:
If the movie does badly (and it could very well do badly, Cuaron is 
taking one hell of a risk by radically departing from JKR's set 
story line) even Curaon's getting the Best Director Oscar is not 
going to make a difference to Warner - they'll see to it that Curaon 
gets the boot together with the imprint (you know where) faster than 
Daniel Radcliff can say "Firebolt"!

Now Me:
How do we know that Cuaron is departing from JKR's set story line?  
PoA is a very involved book, with several different story lines.  
Just because Wood and Flint are not part of the cast doesn't mean 
that he has changed everything.  Also, I thought Kloves was the 
writer, not Cuaron. Cuaron may have a say in the final edit, but my 
understanding is that JKR has the final say about what stays and 
goes in the movies (as she is the only one who knows how the series 
ends.)  IMHO, JKR would NOT allow a radical departure from the 
established canon.  I'm sure it's in the contract that JKR and WB 
have that JKR has final say about the script.  And lastly, why would 
Warner spend time and energy fighting with JKR?  That just doesn't 
make sense.  JKR owns the concept; Warner strictly owns the rights 
to the movies.  She has created one of the biggest phenomenons of 
the modern age and seems to know what she is doing!  

Keith said:
The problem with the Harry Potter property (and you can be sure that 
Warner Bros. treats as such) is that the money lies with the massive 
number of patrons who've read the book and want to see what they've 
read faithfully rendered on screen - because if this, all of the 
four movies have an instant audience - and this is the massive 
audience that Columbus made use of. 

Me again:
While I enjoyed the first two movies, I do not think that Columbus 
is the be all and end all of all movies Harry Potter!  He is a 
talented director, but he is certainly not the greatest director who 
ever lived.  Warner was smart in using him for the first two movies, 
as Columbus has more experience with franchises, but I have never 
thought he is the only director who would make a Harry Potter 
Movie.  As far as Warner Brothers treating Harry Potter as a 
property
it is!  Something as big as Harry should only be treated as 
such, IMHO.


Keith Said:
If Curaon pleases the audience, this is no big deal, 
Now Me:
Of course it's a big deal
it will show that another director is able 
to bring Harry to life on the screen.

Keith:
BUT if he displeases that preset audience, even critical raves and 
an Oscar nod's not going to make an iota of a difference! 

Me:
Sure it will.  Warner is gambling a LOT of money on Harry Potter.  I 
doubt that the audience will be displeased with the movie.  Does it 
matter that Quidditch is not a major aspect of the movie?  Yes and 
no.  Yes, because it is part of the book.  No, because the longest 
running time that Warner will be able to get away with is 3 hours 
(maybe a smidge over) and I would rather see less Quidditch than 
less Sirius, or less of the dementors, or less of the time turner, 
or less of Lupin.  I think the only way the majority of the audience 
would be displeased would be if JKR herself said that the script 
deviated too much from the book and she doesn't like what was done.

Keith Said (I've abbreviated it for space)
I've seen another little movie (made by the gr8 Curaon himself) 
called "Great Expectations" and a fine mess he made of that one; 
Curaon made changes so drastic that he even saw it fit to change the 
name of the protogonist from Pip to Finn 

Now Me:
Well, again, I think that this is an unfair statement.  Cuaron 
didn't WRITE the screenplay, he directed it.  Besides, many classic 
stories have been modernized and have been very good (or very bad ? 
no one is perfect).  

Keith said:
In any case, this Harry Potter fan is afraid, very afraid!

And lastly, me:
I'm sorry you are afraid
I am looking forward to a new director's 
take on the Harry Potter world.  We can only hope that the film is 
as well done as the first two films, but that could be said about 
any of new director. 

Leigh
"It is not our abilities that tell us what we truly are ... it is 
our choices. " Albus Dumbledore
"Snakes...why'd it have to be snakes?"  Indiana Jones
"Why spiders?  Why couldn't it be 'follow the butterflies?'" Ron 
Weasley
"You ought to be more careful. People with think you're.. up..to 
something." Severus Snape 
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus






From constancevigilance at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 22:24:27 2003
From: constancevigilance at yahoo.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:24:27 -0000
Subject: PoA poster or a fake?
In-Reply-To: <bb51kl+7e8u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb61ar+ag0v@eGroups.com>

 --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, illyana delorean <illyana at m...> 
 wrote:
 
 someone recently posted a picture of an alleged poster for PoA. 

<snip>
 
 So... is this a fake or what?

Then Amy responded:
 I am sure this is a fake poster but not for the reason that it is 
way  to early for WB to be promoting the next movie.

<snip>

 You do not reveal the bad guy in a poster and give away what he 
looks like

Constance (that's me) responds:

But we DO know what he looks like from the very first chapter when he 
is on muggle tv news broadcasts. We know what he looks like, that he 
is skulking nearby, and a serious threat. That is what creates the 
suspense during the story.

I think it could be quite reasonable for a poster such as the fake 
one (I agree, it's a fake, although a good one) to be used to promote 
the movie.

~Constance Vigilance




From albusthewise at yahoo.com  Fri May 30 12:50:05 2003
From: albusthewise at yahoo.com (Albus Dumbledore)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:50:05 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Some changes...
Message-ID: <bb7k1t+gc3v@eGroups.com>

Could I have everyone's attention?  <taps mike>  The HPfGU 
Administration Team would like to talk to you, just for a minute.  
Okay, maybe two or three minutes, but it's important.

As you might imagine, running a list of this size is a daunting 
task.  It needs to be accessible to everyone, the posting standards 
need to be maintained, and the volume needs to be kept to a 
manageable level. This is presently done by an administrative team of 
about thirty people, who are listed as "moderators" in the Members 
section of this list: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/members?group=mod&start=1 

In the past, this team was divided into three subgroups--list elves, 
poltergeists, and a small subgroup called, confusingly enough, 
Moderators.  Most of you have met at least one list elf--these are 
the folks who welcome you to the list, answer your questions, check 
the messages submitted by the moderated members, etc.  Poltergeists 
perform various technical or administrative tasks, like throwing 
water balloons and sticking gum into keyholes.  The Moderators were a 
small subgroup of the administrative team who made all the overall 
policy decisions.  However, we have recently come to the collective 
realization that this sort of hierarchical structure is simply not 
viable.  Following a lengthy discussion and self-evaluation of the 
entire administrative structure, the Moderator subgroup has been 
disbanded.  Their responsibilities are now shared across the entire 
team, which is working on reorganizing the administrative 
infrastructure of the HPfGU community.

At the same time, as a result of this difficult and time-consuming 
process, a number of the Moderators have chosen to step down from the 
administrative team.   Fortunately, most of them remain as members of 
the HP for Grownups community.  The HPfGU Administrative Team is 
saddened and diminished by this loss.  We raise our goblets to the 
tremendous contributions made by Catherine (catorman), Cindy 
(cindysphynx), Jim Flanagan (jamesf991), John (queerasjohn), Neil 
(FlyingFordAnglia), Parker (harpdreamer), and most especially to our 
Founding Mother, Penny Linsenmayer (plinsenmayer). We express our 
profound gratitude and appreciation for your work, and hope to live 
up to your standards of commitment and care, and look forward to 
discussing OoP with you.

Also two of our Geists, Jenny (jenny_ravenclaw) and Jen P (jenp_97), 
and one of our Elves, Ebony (selah_1977), have chosen to step down 
from the administration team. To them we give our heartfelt thanks 
for their hard work and the great spirit they've brought to the HPfGU 
community.

The rest of us remain committed, with your help, to being the best 
Harry Potter forum on the Web.  We are continuing to oversee the 
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exploring ways to best restructure how we run HPfGU.  We have updated 
the Humongous Bigfile to reflect these changes, and will continue to 
refine it until our new structure is firmly in place. 

Although the process is not yet complete, we would like to assure you 
that a new administrative structure is rising, phoenix-like, from the 
ashes of the old and that as soon it is fully fledged, it will spread 
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(Elkigeist, ex-Moderator), Eloise (Weezy Elf), Gwendolyn Grace 
(Gwenny Elf), Heidi (Heidy Elf, currently on maternity leave), Jen F 
(Jenny Elf), Jim Ferer (ex-Jimmy Elf), Joy (ex-Joysie Elf and Help 
Desk Diva), Joywitch (Curmudgeon), Judy (Judey Elf), Kelley (Kelley 
Elf, ex-Moderator), Kimberly (Moony Elf), Luke (Lukey Elf), Marina 
(Filky Elf), Mary Ann (Dizzy Elf), Michelle (ex-Shelly Elf), Mike 
(Aberforth's Goat, ex-Moderator), Paul (technoGeist), Pip (Pippy 
Elf), Pippin (Peppy Elf), Porphyria (Ashey Elf, currently on 
sabbatical), Saitaina (Saity Elf), Sheryll (Rylly Elf), Simon (ex-
Simey Elf, Dr. Branford), Steve Vander Ark (Keeper of the Lexicon), 
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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Fri May 30 22:50:42 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:50:42 -0000
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT:  THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR THE 2003 PICKLED TOAD AWARDS!
Message-ID: <bb8n82+avca@eGroups.com>

There are sixteen (16) polls open at HPfGU-OT Chatter for the various 
categories for the first annual Pickled Toad awards.  Please vote for 
two entries.  Due to technical considerations, your votes for winner 
and for runner-up will count equally.  The polls will close at the 
end of June.  Results will be tallied and winners will be contacted 
in July.  Those winners who attend Nimbus 2003 will receive their 
statuettes at that time.

There is no poll for "Best Filk of 2003" because almost everyone 
concentrated on the various categories when making their nominations.
A second poll of the category winners to be held the first two weeks 
of July will determine Best Filk of 2003.

I would like to thank you all for your ballots and you interest.  I 
particularly want to express my gratitude to Kelley Elf, Caius Marcus 
Coriolanus, Gail B., Amy Z. and Heidy Tandy.

--Haggridd




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 31 02:06:24 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:06:24 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ANNOUNCEMENT:  THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR THE 2003 PICKLED TOAD...
Message-ID: <d.11b57463.2c096820@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/30/03 6:51:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com writes:

> There are sixteen (16) polls open at HPfGU-OT Chatter for the various 
> categories for the first annual Pickled Toad awards.  Please vote for 
> two entries.  Due to technical considerations, your votes for winner 
> and for runner-up will count equally.  The polls will close at the 
> end of June.  Results will be tallied and winners will be contacted 
> in July.  Those winners who attend Nimbus 2003 will receive their 
> statuettes at that time.
> 
> There is no poll for "Best Filk of 2003" because almost everyone 
> concentrated on the various categories when making their nominations.
> A second poll of the category winners to be held the first two weeks 
> of July will determine Best Filk of 2003.
> 
> I would like to thank you all for your ballots and you interest.  I 
> particularly want to express my gratitude to Kelley Elf, Caius Marcus 
> Coriolanus, Gail B., Amy Z. and Heidy Tandy.
> 
> --Haggridd



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From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 31 02:08:20 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:08:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ANNOUNCEMENT:  THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR THE 2003 PICKLED TOAD...
Message-ID: <164.210e802f.2c096894@aol.com>

What are the Toad Awards??  What day will it take place??

Kyle Longbottom 



In a message dated 5/30/03 10:07:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
LeeMunLim03 at aol.com writes:

> 
> 
> In a message dated 5/30/03 6:51:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >There are sixteen (16) polls open at HPfGU-OT Chatter for the various 
> >categories for the first annual Pickled Toad awards.  Please vote for 
> >two entries.  Due to technical considerations, your votes for winner 
> >and for runner-up will count equally.  The polls will close at the 
> >end of June.  Results will be tallied and winners will be contacted 
> >in July.  Those winners who attend Nimbus 2003 will receive their 
> >statuettes at that time.
> >
> >There is no poll for "Best Filk of 2003" because almost everyone 
> >concentrated on the various categories when making their nominations.
> >A second poll of the category winners to be held the first two weeks 
> >of July will determine Best Filk of 2003.
> >
> >I would like to thank you all for your ballots and you interest.  I 
> >particularly want to express my gratitude to Kelley Elf, Caius Marcus 
> >Coriolanus, Gail B., Amy Z. and Heidy Tandy.
> >
> >--Haggridd
> 



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From anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net  Sat May 31 03:03:07 2003
From: anneu53714 at sbcglobal.net (Anne)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:03:07 -0000
Subject: Cuaron's "changes"
In-Reply-To: <bb5gn6+uk95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bb961b+cbpk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "tiggereh1987" <slaross at t...> 
wrote:
>> I'm sorry you are afraid
I am looking forward to a new
director's 
> take on the Harry Potter world.  We can only hope that the film is 
> as well done as the first two films, but that could be said about 
> any of new director. 
> 

I like the fact that, at last, Harry's hair is going to be 
MESSSSSY!!!! Uncontrollable black hair is one of the things that 
makes Harry Harry. Okay, Daniel Radcliffe's hair isn't black 
(naturally) but it *is* fairly dark brown, and it's pretty obvious 
from the on-set photos we've seen on Leaky etc. that Daniel has a 
distinctly Harry-esque haircut for this film. Personally I think 
that's a step in the right direction. We don't know yet whether there 
is NO Quidditch in POA, only tha Sean Biggerstaff won't be in the 
movie. I guess the big question is to find out whether the girls who 
play Angelina, Katie and Alicia are in the movie - if not, that could 
be a pretty strong sign that there won't be any Quidditch in POA (or 
it could mean that those roles have been re-cast).

Just thinking out loud (which I do often)...

Anne U
(who loves Dan's Harry hair)





From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net  Sat May 31 07:36:41 2003
From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 02:36:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuaron's "changes"
In-Reply-To: <bb961b+cbpk@eGroups.com>
References: <bb5gn6+uk95@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030531022744.00b75b88@mail.kriselda.net>

Anne recently mentioned:

>I guess the big question is to find out whether the girls who
>play Angelina, Katie and Alicia are in the movie - if not, that could
>be a pretty strong sign that there won't be any Quidditch in POA (or
>it could mean that those roles have been re-cast).

According to IMDb, Katie, Alicia and Angelina will all be in the movie


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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 16:52:28 2003
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:52:28 -0000
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT:  THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR THE 2003 PICKLED TOAD...
In-Reply-To: <164.210e802f.2c096894@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bbamkc+a94m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> What are the Toad Awards??  What day will it take place??
> 
> Kyle Longbottom 
> 
 
The first annual Pickled Toad Awards, named after Gilderoy Lockhart's 
famous singing Valentine's day card to Harry (it's in the book of 
CoS), are awarded for best "filk" (song parody) in various categories 
of music.  You can find filks at the main list (just search the 
achives under "filk"), at Caius Marcus Coriolanus's HP filk website:

http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm

or at Fiction Alley, among other places.

All the nominees are published at one of the above three locations.

Nominations have already been submitted, and voting is now underway 
at HPfGU-OTC throughout the month of June.  The winners will be 
announced in July, and the physical awards will take place at the 
Nimbus 2003 HP convention in Orlando July 19th-23rd.

Come one, come all, read the filks, sing along to those you know the 
tunes for, and vote for the best, in your opinion  (no humility 
necessary)!

Haggridd




From LeeMunLim03 at aol.com  Sat May 31 23:57:09 2003
From: LeeMunLim03 at aol.com (LeeMunLim03 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:57:09 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ANNOUNCEMENT:  THE POLLS ARE OPEN FOR THE 2003 PICKLED ...
Message-ID: <1ef.a090fff.2c0a9b55@aol.com>

Oh Okay 



Whats the quest and whats the scanaveger hunt??

Kyle longbottom 



In a message dated 5/31/03 12:53:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com writes:

> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, LeeMunLim03 at a... wrote:
> >What are the Toad Awards??  What day will it take place??
> >
> >Kyle Longbottom 
> >
> 
> The first annual Pickled Toad Awards, named after Gilderoy Lockhart's 
> famous singing Valentine's day card to Harry (it's in the book of 
> CoS), are awarded for best "filk" (song parody) in various categories 
> of music.  You can find filks at the main list (just search the 
> achives under "filk"), at Caius Marcus Coriolanus's HP filk website:
> 
> http://home.att.net/~coriolan/hpfilks.htm
> 
> or at Fiction Alley, among other places.
> 
> All the nominees are published at one of the above three locations.
> 
> Nominations have already been submitted, and voting is now underway 
> at HPfGU-OTC throughout the month of June.  The winners will be 
> announced in July, and the physical awards will take place at the 
> Nimbus 2003 HP convention in Orlando July 19th-23rd.
> 
> Come one, come all, read the filks, sing along to those you know the 
> tunes for, and vote for the best, in your opinion  (no humility 
> necessary)!
> 
> Haggridd



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