From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 09:43:47 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:43:47 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blcotg+q5f6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ble7kj+phlo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "draco382" <draco382 at y...> wrote:
> Hi Sophia,
> Hang on...you sent him a b-day gift and also asked him if the rumors
> about 
> him quitting by the time of GOF were true, and he responded saying
> that they 
> were rubbish??  wow!!  I'd be thrilled...even though i'm well past
> Dan's age.  

I AM way past Dan's age...But let me clarify: I didn't ask about GoF 
specifically, and he didn't tell me personally per se. The message was a 
pre-print letter, sent by a staffer no doubt, so I can't claim to have been in 
personal contact with Daniel Radcliffe. However, if he can put this information 
in a letter that must go out to thousands of fans, it should be pretty much a 
done deal, don't you think?

Sophia




From kneazle255 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 14:05:30 2003
From: kneazle255 at yahoo.com (kneazle255)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:05:30 -0000
Subject: Harry and Ginny in the Chamber
Message-ID: <blemva+k4jo@eGroups.com>


I am new here. If this has been picked over, I apologize. 

I recently reread CoS and watched the movie right after. Columbus 
made some interesting 'adjustments' to the Chamber scene.

He toned down what's described as Ginny's wailing when she wakes up. 
She's really calm in the movie. It's quite a little Harry/Ginny 
moment that Columbus created, and it's not canon.

In the book Harry thanks Fawkes and is healed before Ginny wakes up.  
In the movie, Harry heroically tells Ginny to go find Ron without him 
and is healed by the Phoenix with her watching.

Finally, when Fawkes is flying out of the Chamber at the end, in the 
movie Harry is holding Ginny. In the book, they are all holding hands 
in a chain.

Do you think the movie makers are anticipating a Harry / Ginny 
relationship?

It's just such a big difference from the books I was wondering what 
you all thought.

Kneazle







From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Oct  1 21:05:54 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:05:54 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan in GoF
Message-ID: <78.4843c79d.2cac9bb2@aol.com>

There was a news release from WB a couple of months ago (and it was online 
too) saying Emma was the last one to sign to do GoF, so the original cast is 
staying on through GoF at least.  I hope they stay for the whole series.  Did you 
notice the new Quentin Tarantino movie is being released in two parts?  
"Killing Bill Vol. 1" is being released soon -- I assume that means there's a 
volume 2 coming sometime??  (Not a huge fan of Tarantino's, but if The Matrix and 
now Tarantino, as well as LotR can be done in multiple parts, why not GoF, OoP 
and whatever comes after???)

Lynda 
* * *
". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP


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From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Wed Oct  1 21:20:55 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:20:55 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <ble7kj+phlo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blfgfn+n3r6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "draco382" <draco382 at y...> wrote:
> > Hi Sophia,
> > Hang on...you sent him a b-day gift and also asked him if the rumors
> > about 
> > him quitting by the time of GOF were true, and he responded saying
> > that they 
> > were rubbish??  wow!!  I'd be thrilled...even though i'm well past
> > Dan's age.  
> 
> I AM way past Dan's age...But let me clarify: I didn't ask about GoF 
> specifically, and he didn't tell me personally per se. The message
was a 
> pre-print letter, sent by a staffer no doubt, so I can't claim to
have been in 
> personal contact with Daniel Radcliffe. However, if he can put this
information 
> in a letter that must go out to thousands of fans, it should be
pretty much a 
> done deal, don't you think?
> 
> Sophia

I'm way past his age too. But I admit I sometimes browse the fan pages
and forums of all the trio, to check out for news and pictures.
(blushing even deeper than Sophia) It's kind of a slight obsesion of
mine with all the tree major kids, feeling like a proud and little
worried grandmother or something. At the forum at Danradcliffe.com,
someone posted a copy of a more recent letter from Dan received under
much the same conditions as yours, Sophia. There he says that he is
looking forward to working with Mike Newell. Definitely sounds like he
is in that film, doesn't it? From the discussion on the forums where
several fans has received letters in return for gifts, it seems people
get a preprinted standard letter, but where a few initial or finalling
lines are personal answers from Dan to what people has written to him.
So he probably does seem to read at least some of the letters himself.
Other fans -  probably the majority - only get a photograph with a
printed signature. Fans seem to think that to send a present is a sure
way to get a letter, but I haven't tried it myself. Maybe I will send
all three of them a small Christmas gift (blushing even more...)

Torill




From smiller at dslextreme.com  Thu Oct  2 00:01:33 2003
From: smiller at dslextreme.com (Susan Miller)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:01:33 -0000
Subject: Picture up of Snape as Neville's gran
Message-ID: <blfpst+a597@eGroups.com>

Not as campy as I expected, but have a look:

http://www.rickmanistareview.com/hp3/hpprisoner.html

Scroll down and it's the last pic on the page.

~ Constance Vigilance




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 02:43:55 2003
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:43:55 -0000
Subject: Picture up of Snape as Neville's gran
In-Reply-To: <blfpst+a597@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blg3db+7h4g@eGroups.com>

Is this a real picture? I remember a doctored one making the rounds 
about a month ago. Either way, it's very funny. Although, I somehow 
find the one of Rickman as Snape strolling down a sunny street more 
disturbing. ;-)

Deborah

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Susan Miller" <smiller at d...> 
wrote:
> Not as campy as I expected, but have a look:
> 
> http://www.rickmanistareview.com/hp3/hpprisoner.html
> 
> Scroll down and it's the last pic on the page.
> 
> ~ Constance Vigilance




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Thu Oct  2 03:55:23 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 03:55:23 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blfgfn+n3r6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blg7jb+nobt@eGroups.com>

Delurking to comment on your letter back from Dan... 

I read somewhere recently - sorry don't remember where - that his 
parents help him with a lot of his fan mail - sorting and stuff and 
that his mom insist that he send some sort of thank you to gifts he 
receives. I am sure his parents figured out a way for him to have 
some prepared stuff - like the photographs signed. I have always been 
too embarrassed to send any of the trio anything being old enough to 
be their mother myself and in fact have 2 boys - one not much younger 
than him. I am happy for you and I have a little confession of a 
wonderous thing that happen to me this summer. I decided to write a 
little note to tell David Heyman, the producer, what a good job he 
has done and congratulate him on an award he received earlier this 
year. I was rather embarrassed but thought why not, he probably 
doesn't get much fan mail. Then I forgot about it for a week or so 
because I truly did not expect a reply. Well, around my birthday in 
June - I am sure it was a coincidence, I received this letter in the 
mail. It was handwritten on the envelope with no return address but 
postmarked from London. My family and I were stumped as we could not 
imagine who it would be writing to me. Well, I opened it and it was a 
handwritten note on stationery with his name embossed at the top. It 
was rather sweet, stating that he was so happy I wrote as he doesn't 
get much fan mail - loads of letters from children wanting to be in 
the films but not fan mail. He also spoke about how fun and exciting 
it is making the films and that he hopes I like the next ones too. 
All in all he sounds like a wonderful person, who would be great to 
meet in person for a cup of tea or just to chat. I would love to tell 
him in person how much his little note means to me - I have it saved 
in a document protector, makes me feel silly but what the hey. Not 
many take the time to write back to a fan. I think it is great you 
received your thank you from Daniel - it shows he is polite and I do 
think he read your note himself. I just thought I would share my 
little surprise birthday present - even if it was luck it arrived 
near my birthday. I guess the cast and crew of the HP films are 
indeed wonderful people. So feel proud of your treasure and don't be 
embarrassed about being way older than Dan and sending him a gift, 
shows your bravery. There are loads of us 'older fans' and many who 
have thought about sending a gift but haven't for some reason or 
another. Emma would be fun to go shopping with, I love her clothes at 
the premires. Anyway, I am thrilled for you.

BTW - I did hear from a friend who lives in Germany that a paper over 
there recently said the three main child stars signed on already for 
#4. He said it said something about the last of the three has signed 
but didn't say which one signed last. Anyway, all he sent me was an 
email paraphrasing so I do not know which paper it was in. But I am 
thrilled they will be back.

Back to lurking...

Theresa
Who does not know if she can stand to wait until June 4 for the film 
of her favorite HP book. 




From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 07:19:15 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 03:19:15 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan in GoF
Message-ID: <11b.28ac15e9.2cad2b73@aol.com>

I think I'm going to try and write him and see if I can get something for my 
nephew. I have a 5yr old nephew who just loves Dan. He thinks that Dan's real 
name is Harry Potter & Daniel Radcliffe is just his "character's" name so 
people won't bother him for his autograph. Ahhh, the innocence of children!! So I 
thought I'd write him & tell him about my nephew & see if he would send 
anything signed "Harry Potter" instead. What do you think?


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 14:06:45 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:06:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry and Ginny in the Chamber
Message-ID: <19f.1aff9602.2cad8af5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/2/2003 4:28:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

He toned down what's described as Ginny's wailing when she wakes up. 
She's really calm in the movie. It's quite a little Harry/Ginny 
moment that Columbus created, and it's not canon.

In the book Harry thanks Fawkes and is healed before Ginny wakes up.  
In the movie, Harry heroically tells Ginny to go find Ron without him 
and is healed by the Phoenix with her watching.

Finally, when Fawkes is flying out of the Chamber at the end, in the 
movie Harry is holding Ginny. In the book, they are all holding hands 
in a chain.

Do you think the movie makers are anticipating a Harry / Ginny 
relationship?

It's just such a big difference from the books I was wondering what 
you all thought.

Kneazle
Yes, I particularly noticed the change in order of who was holding onto whom 
when Fawkes was flying them out.  I think Columbus was trying to create a 
different relationship there, or hint at it.  Harry does love the Weasleys, and 
Ginny has had a huge crush on Harry, so it's not outside the realm of 
possibility that there could be a Harry/Ginny relationship in the future -- you can 
suspect that from canon.  I think Columbus was just building on that hint to make 
things more visually interesting, sorta, and make people "wonder."  ;->  Who 
knows, maybe he's an H/G shipper!  But JKR hasn't told them who winds up with 
who, so we've been told.  She's just told them when they go somewhere that will 
lead them astray from future canon.  It will be interesting to see what 
happens in Books 6 and 7!  Can't wait!  I ALSO can't wait for the PoA and GoF 
movies (and there really should be two GoF movies -- sure hope WB sees the light on 
that one!)


Lynda 
* * *
". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP


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From jeanico at securenet.net  Thu Oct  2 16:11:58 2003
From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:11:58 -0000
Subject: Postal code question   
In-Reply-To: <blcgdi+gdb1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blhioe+2k72@eGroups.com>

Hi, Sophia (or who ever else might have sent something to Daniel and 
received a reply): Could you confirm the postal code of the address 
in London where you sent your gift? I imagine you mailed it to the 
studios?
Thanks! 




From kneazle255 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  2 17:22:59 2003
From: kneazle255 at yahoo.com (kneazle255)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:22:59 -0000
Subject: Harry and Ginny in the Chamber
In-Reply-To: <19f.1aff9602.2cad8af5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <blhmtk+jo54@eGroups.com>

lynda wrote:
<snip>
JKR hasn't told them who winds up with who, so we've been told.  
She's just told them when they go somewhere that will lead them 
astray from future canon.  

Kneazle:
I hadn't heard that. It will be very interesting to see if Ginny gets 
more screen time in PoA than she got in the book and what they have 
her doing. 





From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Thu Oct  2 20:49:07 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:49:07 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blg7jb+nobt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bli303+gnak@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:
> Delurking to comment on your letter back from Dan... 

 Hi Theresa - why don't you delurk more often?? 

> I read somewhere recently - sorry don't remember where - that his 
> parents help him with a lot of his fan mail - sorting and stuff and 
> that his mom insist that he send some sort of thank you to gifts he 
> receives. I am sure his parents figured out a way for him to have 
> some prepared stuff - like the photographs signed. 

Actually I read in some interview with him some time ago where he said
that he answers as much of the fan mail as it is humanly possible for
him to do, with some help from the PR department of Warner Brothers. I
find this a little more likely than his parents doing it - the
professionals at WB know how to deal with this sort of thing, and the
only adress known in general is the adress of the Harry Potter
productions at Leavesden studios. He probably doesn't get to read all
the mail, but I suppose they pick out some of it for him to read.


 Well, I opened it and it was a 
> handwritten note on stationery with his name embossed at the top. It 
> was rather sweet, stating that he was so happy I wrote as he doesn't 
> get much fan mail - loads of letters from children wanting to be in 
> the films but not fan mail. He also spoke about how fun and exciting 
> it is making the films and that he hopes I like the next ones too. 
> All in all he sounds like a wonderful person, who would be great to 
> meet in person for a cup of tea or just to chat. 

Congratulations - I think it was a very sweet thing to do, and he
probably enjoyed it a lot!!!


So feel proud of your treasure and don't be 
> embarrassed about being way older than Dan and sending him a gift, 
> shows your bravery. There are loads of us 'older fans' and many who 
> have thought about sending a gift but haven't for some reason or 
> another. 

So glad to hear I'm not the only one......

 
Torill




From rose590 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  3 11:53:05 2003
From: rose590 at yahoo.com (rose590)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 11:53:05 -0000
Subject: Is it really Fake?  was Re: *Fake* Picture of Snape as Neville's gran
In-Reply-To: <E2A8DAAE-F4F1-11D7-8BAB-0050E46E566F@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <bljnv1+hgjt@eGroups.com>

PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Say it isn't so?.......

I'm not as disturbed by the picture of Snape as Neville's gran as I 
am of the one right above it of Gary Oldman as Sirius "in costume?"

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Someone tell me this is fake......

RoBro (who still doesn't think that Oldman can do Sirius effectively 
and the picture doesn't help)


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mathilde Bouhon <mbouhon at n...> 
wrote:
> This pic has already been showed in many places (including this 
list),  
> and it is of course a *fake*...
> (thought it would be good to precise this point once again).
> 
> Now -- I completely agree with you, Linda, and your vivid 
imagination,  
> about the vulture; I also pictured it  
> "standing-up-with-its-red-crooked-neck-showing-and-looking-as-if- 
> hovering-over-something-that's-dying"  :)))
> I just can't wait to see how it will be done in the movie!
> 
> Mathilde, who guess this is one of the "surprises" WB won't spoil  
> before the movie release (at least I hope they won't)
> 
> 
> PS -off topic- : The trailers for The Matrix Revolutions and The 
Return  
> of the King are available to download on both movie's official 
website!  
> Yipee!
> 
> 
> Le jeudi, 2 oct 2003, ? 16:11 Europe/Paris, artsylynda at a... a 
?crit :
> 
> > In a message dated 10/2/2003 4:28:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> >
> > Not as campy as I expected, but have a look:
> >
> > http://www.rickmanistareview.com/hp3/hpprisoner.html
> >
> > Scroll down and it's the last pic on the page.
> >
> > ~ Constance Vigilance
> > Where's the red pocketbook?? BLACK?!? And the stuffed vulture is 
MUCH  
> > too
> > subtle!? I was picturing it standing up with its red crooked 
neck  
> > showing, and
> > looking as if it's hovering over something that's dying (yup, I 
have a  
> > vivid
> > imagination!)? He doesn't look NEARLY "riddiculus" enough!!?  
> > Embarrassed, maybe,
> > ridiculous, not so much.? Ah well.
> >
> > Lynda
> > * * *
> > ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP
> 
> 
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From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 15:03:04 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 15:03:04 -0000
Subject: Is it really Fake?  was Re: *Fake* Picture of Snape as Neville's gran
In-Reply-To: <bljnv1+hgjt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blk338+5g9j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "rose590" <rose590 at y...> wrote:
> PLEASE!!!!!!!!! Say it isn't so?.......
> 
> I'm not as disturbed by the picture of Snape as Neville's gran as I 
> am of the one right above it of Gary Oldman as Sirius "in costume?"
> 
> PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Someone tell me this is fake......
> 
> RoBro (who still doesn't think that Oldman can do Sirius effectively 
> and the picture doesn't help)
> 
Rose,

Gary Oldman is half out of costume, he won't be looking like that in
the movie. If *anyone* can pull off Sirius as not just a
slightly-scruffy pretty-boy but as a walking bundle of contradictions,
charismatic, intense, obsessed, half-crazed, reckless, severely
damaged after twelve years of starvation and mental torture, yet
fundamentally a good, kind and caring person, it's Oldman.

Alshain


  




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct  3 16:02:30 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:02:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Is it really Fake?  was Re: *Fake* Picture of Snape as Neville's gran
References: <blk338+5g9j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c389c7$c0c46720$1ce879a5@rick>

> Alshain:
> Gary Oldman is half out of costume, he won't be looking like that in
> the movie. If *anyone* can pull off Sirius as not just a
> slightly-scruffy pretty-boy but as a walking bundle of contradictions,
> charismatic, intense, obsessed, half-crazed, reckless, severely
> damaged after twelve years of starvation and mental torture, yet
> fundamentally a good, kind and caring person, it's Oldman.

Iggy
(I've been lurking on this list for a bit, but quite active on the main
one.)

*grin*  I was ecstatic when I found out that Gary Oldman was playing the
part of Sirius Black.  (I pegged him for the role from my first reading of
PoA.)

My family and I like coming up with some of the actor's we'd think would be
good in certain roles...

Gary Oldman as Sirius Black

Marty Feldman (if he were still alive) would make the PERFECT Alistor Moody.
(But, a decent replacement would be Terry Gilliam.  I know he's not
technically British, but he was a part of Monty Python for all those years,
and if you watch him in Life of Brian, you can see a good Moody in the
character he played as the mad prison guard.)

Elizabeth Hurly as Rita Skeeter.  (We hear she's a lot like that arrogant
and nasty Skeeter woman in RL.. so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.)

I like the guy who plays Arthur Weasley... I originally thought Eric Idle
would also be a great choice.

IMHO, the guy who plays Johnathan (if I have the name right), M's main
assistant in the last 2 Bond movies (different from Moneypenny, her
secretary), would actually make a pretty good Kingsley Shacklebolt in the
5th movie.

Then, there's the one I would be VERY upset if they didn't see the virtue of
casting as Voldemort starting in the 4th movie:  TIM CURRY    (just watch
"Legend" and you can see one of the evil characters he plays in full
makeup... He played the devil by the name of Darkness.)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"ALL FANATICS MUST DIE!!"

-- One of the bumper stickers in Iggy's collection






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Sat Oct  4 06:02:00 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 06:02:00 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <bli303+gnak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bllnoo+7t1o@eGroups.com>

Torill, I lurk because I not online everyday - I wish I had the time 
and I get so interested reading other people's post by the time I 
think of my reply then someone post what I was going to say. That 
happens a lot on the main HPFGU board, which I don't think I have 
posted on in over a year. Yikes. I started to post a few time on that 
board after book 5 but I am still in mourning over the death. Also, 
sometimes I feel so much older than most of the fans on these list. I 
think the poll on the main group shows most everyone between 18 and 
30 and that puts me at least decade over the mean. (I'm 41). So yes I 
feel a little... shy about posting. I have gotten braver on a couple 
of Yahoo groups I post regularly on (POU - great stories and 
LMRourke - great artwork) but that has only been in the past 6 months 
or so.

Anyway, as for Dan's fan mail, yes I had also heard that the studio 
folks sort the mail a little but, I also read this article on a day 
in his life or something like that. It was linked off of the Leaky 
Cauldron website and I read how his parents are his chaperones and 
they protect him from overzealous fans etc. But anyway, his mom 
mentioned that fans have actually figured out where he lives and mail 
stuff there and one fan even came over to bring a gift. His mom told 
them to put it through the mailslot. That was where I got the 
impression they sort of help him with the mail. Poor kid, I cannot 
imagine growing up having fans surrounding your house. I wonder if he 
can still hang out with his friends. He seems like such a sweet young 
man, but so grown up for a 14 year old. I hope he still has time for 
fun. 

Also, thanks for making me feel good about writing to David Heyman. 
Sophia also told me she thought it was a nice thing to do. I was not 
sure if he would 'have his day made by a fan' but I did want to show 
my appreciation for how well he has handled things thus far. I told 
him how concerned I was when I first learned they were making the 
books into films. So many great British literary works had stinky 
films made of them. I saw a version of Wuthering Heights years ago 
and most of the actors were Americans with not very good accents. I 
also saw a French story made into film that was not even filmed in 
France. Part way into the film my friend next to me said 'hey isn't 
that on highway such and such in California' and when we watched the 
credits there was no mention of any filming in France. I am one fan 
who is greatful the films are with all British cast and filmed in the 
UK. I am also thrilled that JK has input. I think she has helped 
tremendously keep the films loyal to the books.

Anyway, it is late and I still have to do my workout and I have a 
haircut appointment with a nice Englishman tomorrow morning. His son 
goes to school with my sons and his wife convinced me to come to 
their shop. I will try to delurk more often. It isn't as painful as I 
thought. ;o)

Theresa
PS: On the modern clothes in POA - I think they look fine. I just 
have had a thing since the first film about Harry needing bagger ill 
fitting clothes but it is a minor issue to me. However, the tatoos on 
Sirius bug me. I just NEVER pictured him that way. He is supposed to 
be a charming handsome man who has wasted in prison but you can still 
see the charming handsome man underneath - Harry's thoughts in the 
tunnel after the Shack scene state that. But with tatoos??? Ick.




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  4 10:36:06 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:36:06 -0000
Subject: Postal code question
In-Reply-To: <blhioe+2k72@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blm7qm+c4l8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jeanico at s...> wrote:
> Hi, Sophia (or who ever else might have sent something to Daniel and 
> received a reply): Could you confirm the postal code of the address 
> in London where you sent your gift? I imagine you mailed it to the 
> studios?
> Thanks!

I'll post the entire adress:

Daniel Radcliffe
C/O Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (I don't think this bit's 
necessary)
Leavesden Studios
P.O. Box 3000
Leavesden, Hertfordshire WD27LT
U.K.

I copied this address from www.danradcliffe.co.uk/contactdan.htm where 
you'll also find a scan of what you may expect in the mail.

Sophia




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Sat Oct  4 19:05:20 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 19:05:20 -0000
Subject: Rumour about Trelawney
Message-ID: <bln5lg+rq6b@eGroups.com>

According to this article (second to last paragraph): 
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7460354%
5E2902,00.html
Emma Thompson will play Sybill Trelawney in the third movie.

I really hope it's true, I like Thompson and think, she can play 
every role.

(Sorry about the short post)

Hickengruendler





From CLShannon at aol.com  Sat Oct  4 20:17:50 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:17:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Rumour about Trelawney
Message-ID: <191.1ff6c2bd.2cb084ee@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/4/03 12:08:04 PM, hickengruendler at yahoo.de writes:

<< According to this article (second to last paragraph): 

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7460354%

5E2902,00.html

Emma Thompson will play Sybill Trelawney in the third movie. >>

The Leaky Cauldron has the link to the whole article in the Australian 
Herald-Sun and it seems to be true. It says a 'guest appearance', so she probably 
doesn't have much screen time, but I think it's great. She is a terrific actress.
The article is cute too, it talks about how the kids have grown and their new 
interests. It mentions Tom's car and the fact that Daniel loves Cuaron's 
previous movie Y Tu Mama Tambien. Pretty grown up stuff for a 14 yr. old ; -) 
Rupert has taken up pool and is a 'crack pool player' and Emma gets all kinds of 
dance lessons. 
I also had to laugh at the mention that Emma is glad that she is finally not 
the shortest of the three. She says she is taller than Daniel, but he adds 
that it is only by a half millimeter;-)
I guess that teasing she was doing during COS filming is turning out to be 
true <g>. 

Cindy



From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sat Oct  4 21:22:06 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 16:22:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A good photo site
References: <191.1ff6c2bd.2cb084ee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c38abd$91361ac0$cf8faec7@rick>

Hi all...

Just thought I'd pass along this web-page as being a great listing of HP
movie photos and actor backgrounds for PoA coming up...

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0304141/


(This is the actual PoA main page from the site... and you can explore out
from there...)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 00:09:00 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:09:00 -0000
Subject: Rumour about Trelawney
In-Reply-To: <191.1ff6c2bd.2cb084ee@aol.com>
Message-ID: <blnnes+n90c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote:
>
> 
> Emma Thompson will play Sybill Trelawney in the third movie. >>
> 
> The Leaky Cauldron has the link to the whole article in the Australian 
> Herald-Sun and it seems to be true. 

Excellent, she was my first choice since I read the book.
Now if Cuaron is as good as they say, he will film all her scenes
with McGonagall. At least put them on DVD if there is no space in the
movie between all the CGI. :-(

Irene




From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 00:16:25 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:16:25 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF was Is it really Fake?  
In-Reply-To: <004f01c389c7$c0c46720$1ce879a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blnnsp+o9lo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" <coyoteschild at p...>
wrote:

> Then, there's the one I would be VERY upset if they didn't see the
virtue of
> casting as Voldemort starting in the 4th movie:  TIM CURRY    (just
watch
> "Legend" and you can see one of the evil characters he plays in full
> makeup... He played the devil by the name of Darkness.)

Yeah, or watch "Treasure Island" or "Three musketeers" and see how the
man completely *butchers* two of the plummiest villain roles ever
written. He would be so wrong for Voldie it hurts (and I haven't even
mentioned the physical mismatch).

How about Antony Sher? He made my scin crawl as Disraeli. Chief Weasel
wasn't bad either ;-) He's got that mad gleam in his eyes.

Irene




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Sun Oct  5 00:54:23 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:54:23 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF was Is it really Fake?
In-Reply-To: <blnnsp+o9lo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blnq3v+ne83@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" 
<irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
 
> 
> Yeah, or watch "Treasure Island" or "Three musketeers" and see how 
the
> man completely *butchers* two of the plummiest villain roles ever
> written. He would be so wrong for Voldie it hurts (and I haven't 
even
> mentioned the physical mismatch).
> 

Now I am interested. ;-) What exactly do you mean with "physical 
mismatch"? There probably isn't any actor, who looks like Voldemort 
(I hope). I admit that I haven't seen Curry in films for a few years 
know, the last film I saw, in which he appeared, was a two-parter 
about the Titanic. But I remember him as relatively thin and although 
not very large, he isn't the shortest either. Of course my memory now 
can totally fail me. So I think he do fits the description of 
Voldemort. That said, I don't want him as Voldemort because he just 
doesn't scare me. There he is always something funny in the 
characters he portrays (and I don't think he wanted to play them that 
way) and I can't help but snicker, as nasty, as the characters are. I 
don't want to have that effect with Voldemort.

Hickengruendler   




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 01:23:39 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 20:23:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blnq3v+ne83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c38adf$4fed55c0$4cee79a5@rick>


Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?

(I have a few alternatives from Tim Curry... I mostly consider him from his
roll in Legend...)

Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically unnerving roles....
only problem is whether you want LV to look about the age Irons' is...)

Definite physical mismatch, but Anthony Hopkins would be able to do the
scary part... *grin*  (Does the name "Hannibal Lechter" ring a bell to
anyone?  *chuckle*)

Believe it or not, Toby Stephens might work as LV, IMHO.  (He played "Gustav
Graves" in 'Die Another Day', the latest Bond movie...  While his character
comes across with a warped sense of himor at times, he has a lot of
mannerisms that would work, and can definitely have an evil look in his
eyes...)



Also, who do you think would be the 5 worst choices for LV?

Here are mine...

Hugh Grant.  (Yeah... can you imagine LV stuttering as much as HG does in
almost every roll I've seen him in?)

Rowan Atkinson  (Yes folks... It's "Mr. Bean and his Death Eaters.")

Benny Hill  (Ok, bringing him back from the dead WOULD make him a lot more
impressive in the role, but even then, can you imagine a berlesque version
of LV?)

Sean Connery  (Good actor, but could you imagine LV with a deep, thick,
Scottish brogue?  "The name's Voldemort.  Lord Voldemort.")

(I haven't thought of a fourth one yet...)



(As a side note, a couple of us were debating whether or not Carey Elwes
would have been able to pull off the Lucious Malfoy role.  I personally
think he would... He's played some reall jerks and malicious people in some
of his acting.. my only doubt, really, would have been if he could get that
evil glint in his eye the actor who does play LM has...  Comments?)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster








From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sun Oct  5 02:08:11 2003
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:08:11 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
In-Reply-To: <000a01c38adf$4fed55c0$4cee79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blnueb+k61f@eGroups.com>

Hi, Iggy -- I know, I still owe you an email... ;-)

Iggy:
> Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF? 
>>>

Actually, I don't have any current ideas on casting for Vold, but 
would you believe that around the time we were discussing fantasy 
casting for the movies (before we even knew there *would* be any 
movies), that I had recently seen "Die Hard" again and was struck by 
how perfect Rickman would be as Snape, and soon after that I saw "The 
Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" for the first time, and 
pegged Gambon as excellent for *either* Dumbledore or Vold.  Weird.
 
> Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically unnerving 
roles.... >>>

Yeah, he was a great "Scar". ;-D

> only problem is whether you want LV to look about the age Irons' 
is...) >>>

Yes, he's too young, all right.  Actually, he was one of my early 
picks for Lupin.  He didn't *quite* match my image of RL (which was 
sort of a cross between Hugh Laurie (sp?) and a young "Giles" <g>), 
but was close enough.  Rupert Everett would have been good, too.  The 
fellow who has the part (name's not coming to me offhand) doesn't 
contrast too terribly with my Lupin image, though, so I'm happy about 
that.  Can't recall the name of the actor (Timothy something) who's 
playing Pettigrew, but he's a great pick, too, imo.
 
> Definite physical mismatch, but Anthony Hopkins would be able to do 
the scary part... *grin*  (Does the name "Hannibal Lechter" ring a 
bell to anyone?  *chuckle*) >>>

He's still my pick for Moody.  Give him his long hair from "Zorro" 
and there you go. ;-)
 
> (As a side note, a couple of us were debating whether or not Carey 
Elwes would have been able to pull off the Lucious Malfoy role.  I 
personally think he would... He's played some real jerks and 
malicious people in some of his acting.. my only doubt, really, would 
have been if he could get that evil glint in his eye the actor who 
does play LM has...  Comments?) >>>

I do think Jason Isaacs is quite good, nice and evil, but Elwes was 
my top pick for *Lockhart*, lol.  You're right, I agree, Elwes can do 
malicious jerk really well, but as he's so great at comedic stuff, 
too, I really wanted him for Gilderoy.  Ah, well, Brannagh was 
terrific.

And, while I don't want to fall into the 'Oldman as Sirius' 
discussions, I will say he (as himself) does not come close to my 
image of Sirius, but he is quite an actor, so I'm sure he'll do the 
role justice for us hardcore fans... (I hope, I hope, I hope....) :-D


--Kelley




From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 09:05:43 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 09:05:43 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF was Is it really Fake?
In-Reply-To: <blnq3v+ne83@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blomt7+94gm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler"
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" 
> <irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
>  
> > 
> > Yeah, or watch "Treasure Island" or "Three musketeers" and see how 
> the
> > man completely *butchers* two of the plummiest villain roles ever
> > written. He would be so wrong for Voldie it hurts (and I haven't 
> even
> > mentioned the physical mismatch).
> > 
> 
> Now I am interested. ;-) What exactly do you mean with "physical 
> mismatch"?

Well, I was trying to be kind :-) but he is just too fat these days.

> There probably isn't any actor, who looks like Voldemort 
> (I hope). I admit that I haven't seen Curry in films for a few years 
> know, the last film I saw, in which he appeared, was a two-parter 
> about the Titanic. But I remember him as relatively thin and although 
> not very large, he isn't the shortest either. Of course my memory now 
> can totally fail me. So I think he do fits the description of 
> Voldemort. That said, I don't want him as Voldemort because he just 
> doesn't scare me. There he is always something funny in the 
> characters he portrays (and I don't think he wanted to play them that 
> way) and I can't help but snicker, as nasty, as the characters are. I 
> don't want to have that effect with Voldemort.

Thanks, you've just explained the core of my problem with him. His
villains are a bit like what Vincent Price used to do - tongue in
cheek without meaning to be tongue in cheek. :-)
I want my Voldemort to be really scary.

Irene

> 
> Hickengruendler




From trisha.masen at verizon.net  Sun Oct  5 11:32:37 2003
From: trisha.masen at verizon.net (Trisha Masen)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 7:32:37 -0400
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
Message-ID: <20031005113237.RJNN23690.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

> From: "Iggy McSnurd" <coyoteschild at peoplepc.com>
> Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?
> 
> (I have a few alternatives from Tim Curry... I mostly consider
> him from his roll in Legend...)
>
> Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically unnerving
> roles....only problem is whether you want LV to look about the
> age Irons' is...)
>
> Definite physical mismatch, but Anthony Hopkins would be able to
> do the scary part... *grin*  (Does the name "Hannibal Lechter"
> ring a bell to anyone?  *chuckle*)
>
> Believe it or not, Toby Stephens might work as LV, IMHO.  (He
> played "Gustav Graves" in 'Die Another Day', the latest Bond
> movie...  While his character comes across with a warped sense of
> himor at times, he has a lot of mannerisms that would work, and
> can definitely have an evil look in his eyes...)

Anyone who has seen "Dead Ringers" will know that Jeremy Irons can creep you out without problem.  (And understand my hesitation at going to an OB/GYN.)  Of all the names mentioned, I think he fits my image of Voldy more than any other.  Also see "Reversal of Fortune" as Klaus von Bulow.  Jeremy Irons can play creepy/evil characters well.

I don't think Anthony Hopkins would do well in the role.  He's too well established as Hannibal Lecter, for one, and also doesn't seem to "stretch" much now that he's in his 70s.  Too old.  Next.

I can't say that I've seen the most recent Bond movie (*bad bad Bond fan*), so have no opinion to offer on this suggestion.

~Trisha~




From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 12:24:17 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:24:17 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <000a01c38adf$4fed55c0$4cee79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blp2hh+10874@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> 
> Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster

Okay Iggy, here is my choice for LV...

Cirian Hinds - he was in "The Mayor of Casterbridge" and played a 
delightful Rochester in "Jane Eyre".  Quite a remarkable actor, 
although a little paunchy for LV.  But he can be completely scary and 
I think he could handle the LV role quite well.

What about Derek Jacobi for Moody?  Did you see Branagh's "Hamlet"?  
His Claudius was remarkable.  He played the part of a benign king who 
really was a lecherous murderer to perfection.  Can't you just see 
him playing the sympathetic Moody and turning into a vengence riddled 
Crouch, Jr.?  I know he is a bit old for the part of Crouch, Jr.  But 
they can do wonders with makeup.

D






From jeanico at securenet.net  Sun Oct  5 13:41:45 2003
From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:41:45 -0000
Subject: Herald Sun article
Message-ID: <blp72p+4qmm@eGroups.com>

After reading the Herald Sun article about the young stars of the HP 
movies, all I can say is that I hope that the people who surround 
them (parents especially, director, producers) don't let all the fame 
and fortune go to their heads and help them keep their feet on the 
ground... They're nice kids, at heart... I hope they stay that way 
and don't become spoiled brats.
Just my 2 cents worth! Have a great day, everyone    
Nicole
    




From amani at charter.net  Sun Oct  5 17:19:25 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:19:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <20031005113237.RJNN23690.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c38b64$d3c06e20$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

> From: "Iggy McSnurd" <coyoteschild at peoplepc.com>
> Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?
>
> Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically unnerving
> roles....only problem is whether you want LV to look about the
> age Irons' is...)

Trisha:
Anyone who has seen "Dead Ringers" will know that Jeremy Irons can creep you out without problem.  (And understand my hesitation at going to an OB/GYN.)  Of all the names mentioned, I think he fits my image of Voldy more than any other.  Also see "Reversal of Fortune" as Klaus von Bulow.  Jeremy Irons can play creepy/evil characters well.

Taryn:
Oh, I would LOVE to see Jeremy Irons in the role. I think he's an amazing, excellent actor and CERTAINLY doesn't have a problem playing evil characters. In fact, I think he does one of the greatest evil voices. (Man, I can remember hearing him in The Lion King when I was little. Sinfully perfect.)

What age SHOULD Voldemort look? Irons (who's currently 55) certainly fits my view of LV's age. We know that he was in his 60's when he was first defeated by Harry, correct? Is he in that same age frame when he gets his body back in GoF? (I also haven't re-read OotP since it first came out. Bad Taryn! Her friend's borrowing it right now. ^_^;)

--Taryn

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 17:30:25 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:30:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <blnueb+k61f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c38b66$5deddaa0$97ef79a5@rick>

Iggy:

I apologize in advance for any name spelling mistakes... I don't have my
books anywhere nearby...

From: "Kelley"
> Iggy:
> > Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?
> >>>
>
> Actually, I don't have any current ideas on casting for Vold, but
> would you believe that around the time we were discussing fantasy
> casting for the movies (before we even knew there *would* be any
> movies), that I had recently seen "Die Hard" again and was struck by
> how perfect Rickman would be as Snape, and soon after that I saw "The
> Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" for the first time, and
> pegged Gambon as excellent for *either* Dumbledore or Vold.  Weird.

IMHO, if Rickman hadn't been picked as Sapes, I would have been insistant
that he be cast as Sirius.  He would have been perfect in that part as well.
I can see Oldman or Rickman playing eachothers roles if the casting had
worked out that way and I think I wpild have still been happy.  (I think the
only advantage Rickman has for Snapes is that he can get that condesending
tone and "look-down-his-nose" image better than Oldman, IMHO.  You can
almost feel that emnity for Harry dripping from his voice.)

>
> > Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically unnerving
> roles.... >>>
>
> Yeah, he was a great "Scar". ;-D

*chuckle* So he's done some cartoon work.  I still think he could do the
job.

>
> > only problem is whether you want LV to look about the age Irons'
> is...) >>>
>
> Yes, he's too young, all right.  Actually, he was one of my early
> picks for Lupin.  He didn't *quite* match my image of RL (which was
> sort of a cross between Hugh Laurie (sp?) and a young "Giles" <g>),
> but was close enough.  Rupert Everett would have been good, too.  The
> fellow who has the part (name's not coming to me offhand) doesn't
> contrast too terribly with my Lupin image, though, so I'm happy about
> that.  Can't recall the name of the actor (Timothy something) who's
> playing Pettigrew, but he's a great pick, too, imo.

*grin* I was actually thinking that he'd be too old, but when I think back
on it, I think Irons would be the right age as he looks.  (Since the Tom
Riddle scenes from the diary happened 50 years ago, Voldemort would look
about 60... But then again, if you take Pettigrew and Harry's
"contributions" to his current body, he'd possibly look younger again.)

>
> > Definite physical mismatch, but Anthony Hopkins would be able to do
> the scary part... *grin*  (Does the name "Hannibal Lechter" ring a
> bell to anyone?  *chuckle*) >>>
>
> He's still my pick for Moody.  Give him his long hair from "Zorro"
> and there you go. ;-)

Hmmm... I think I could see that one.  Of course, I could also see Ian
MacLellan (sp?) playing either Moody or Dumbledore...

>
> > (As a side note, a couple of us were debating whether or not Carey
> Elwes would have been able to pull off the Lucious Malfoy role.  I
> personally think he would... He's played some real jerks and
> malicious people in some of his acting.. my only doubt, really, would
> have been if he could get that evil glint in his eye the actor who
> does play LM has...  Comments?) >>>
>
> I do think Jason Isaacs is quite good, nice and evil, but Elwes was
> my top pick for *Lockhart*, lol.  You're right, I agree, Elwes can do
> malicious jerk really well, but as he's so great at comedic stuff,
> too, I really wanted him for Gilderoy.  Ah, well, Brannagh was
> terrific.

Hmmmm... What about Elwes as Karkaroff?  (I still can't wait to see who they
cast as Madame Maxime...)

>
> And, while I don't want to fall into the 'Oldman as Sirius'
> discussions, I will say he (as himself) does not come close to my
> image of Sirius, but he is quite an actor, so I'm sure he'll do the
> role justice for us hardcore fans... (I hope, I hope, I hope....) :-D
>
>
> --Kelley
>

Mostly what I was thinking of was the look Oldman can get, and that he's a
good actor.  (The image that kept springing to mind the most was him as the
"younger" Vlad Tsepesh in the Frances Ford Copella "Dracula" movie.)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"Blood is thicker than water... and MUCH TASTIER!"

-- one of Iggy's bumper stickers in his collection.






From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 17:35:06 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blp2hh+10874@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001401c38b67$06560960$97ef79a5@rick>


From: "Donna" .
>
> What about Derek Jacobi for Moody?  Did you see Branagh's "Hamlet"?
> His Claudius was remarkable.  He played the part of a benign king who
> really was a lecherous murderer to perfection.  Can't you just see
> him playing the sympathetic Moody and turning into a vengence riddled
> Crouch, Jr.?  I know he is a bit old for the part of Crouch, Jr.  But
> they can do wonders with makeup.
>
> D

Hmmm... I can't say that I know who Jacobi is... (I think I'll look him up
on that website I posted... see if that jogs my memory.)

As for Crouch Jr., there's a simple solution:

Have someone else play Crouch Jr.  (It's a technique that's been used quite
often... *grin*)

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  5 17:49:24 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:49:24 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <001401c38b67$06560960$97ef79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blplj4+ob34@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:

> Hmmm... I can't say that I know who Jacobi is... (I think I'll look 
him up
> on that website I posted... see if that jogs my memory.)
> 
> As for Crouch Jr., there's a simple solution:
> 
> Have someone else play Crouch Jr.  (It's a technique that's been 
used quite
> often... *grin*)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster

Well, maybe you have seen him in other films?  He was the chorus 
in "Henry V".  He played Frank in "Dead Again" (which, by the way, is 
another of those parts where he was sympathetic at the begining...but 
to say more would give away the plot for those of you who want to 
check out a film that is quite an homage to Hitchcock.).  He was a 
protege of Lord Lawrence Olivier (oh, if only he was still alive, he 
would be the perfect LV).

D - who wishes she had her own ABS FIRECAT!





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Oct  5 18:46:13 2003
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 18:46:13 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <001401c38b67$06560960$97ef79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blpotl+p0jg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> 
> From: "Donna" .
> >
> > What about Derek Jacobi for Moody?  Did you see 
Branagh's "Hamlet"?
> > His Claudius was remarkable.  He played the part of a benign 
king who
> > really was a lecherous murderer to perfection.  Can't you just 
see
> > him playing the sympathetic Moody and turning into a vengence 
riddled
> > Crouch, Jr.?  I know he is a bit old for the part of Crouch, 
Jr.  But
> > they can do wonders with makeup.
> >
> > D
> 
> Hmmm... I can't say that I know who Jacobi is... (I think I'll 
look him up
> on that website I posted... see if that jogs my memory.)
> 
> As for Crouch Jr., there's a simple solution:
> 
> Have someone else play Crouch Jr.  (It's a technique that's been 
used quite
> often... *grin*)
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster

Derek Jacobi is one of the finest british actors there is.  

Here are a few snippets from his CV:

I Claudius - a BBC TV dramatisation of the Robert Graves books where 
Jacobi played Claudius from youth to old age - an unbelievable 
performance (and he was up against a virtual who's who of British 
acting).  This series was for me one of the greatest book 
adaptations ever done. Just realised - another Claudius - this one 
was the Roman Emperor of that name.

He also played the leading senator (I forget the character name) in 
Gladiator.

Played Alan Turing in a TV drama about the codebreakers in the war - 
this won a hatful of awards so might have made its way across the 
pond.

In my opinion, however, he is not quite abrasive enough to play 
Moody.  I also think Warners would be lucky to get him.

June




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sun Oct  5 19:08:13 2003
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:08:13 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
In-Reply-To: <000b01c38b66$5deddaa0$97ef79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blpq6t+n9b7@eGroups.com>


Iggy:
> IMHO, if Rickman hadn't been picked as Sapes, I would have been 
insistant that he be cast as Sirius.  He would have been perfect in 
that part as well. I can see Oldman or Rickman playing eachothers 
roles if the casting had worked out that way and I think I wpild have 
still been happy.  (I think the only advantage Rickman has for Snapes 
is that he can get that condesending tone and "look-down-his-nose" 
image better than Oldman, IMHO.  You can almost feel that emnity for 
Harry dripping from his voice.) >>>

Really, I agree; what was the deal back then, that Tim Roth was first 
in consideration for Snape, but he was otherwise committed, so the 
role went to Rickman?  Something like that I think.  Anyhow, I think 
he would have been quite good, too, but better for Sirius than for 
Snape.  Aside from Snape or Sirius, though, I can't think of what 
other part Oldman would be good for...

> > >Iggy: Jeremy Irons (tall, thin, wiry, can play psychotically 
unnerving roles.... >>>
> >
> > Kelley: Yeah, he was a great "Scar". ;-D

Iggy: 
> *chuckle* So he's done some cartoon work.  I still think he could 
do the job. >>>

Lol!  Oh, I'm not a cartoon snob, was just being cheeky. ;-)  I 
definitely agree -- Irons nails the creepy, evil, etc., roles 
brilliantly.
 
> > > Iggy: only problem is whether you want LV to look about the age 
Irons' is...) >>>
> >
> > Kelley: Yes, he's too young, all right.  <snip>

Iggy:
> *grin* I was actually thinking that he'd be too old, but when I 
think back on it, I think Irons would be the right age as he looks.  
(Since the Tom Riddle scenes from the diary happened 50 years ago, 
Voldemort would look about 60... >>>

Haha!  Well, Vold is 66 by the time of PoA, but as of GoF, we learned 
(from a JKR online chat) that McGonagall is about 70.  Now to me, 
Maggie Smith looks about that age, but from the books, McGonagall is 
apparently supposed to look considerably younger than that (my guess 
is probably 20 - 25 years younger; of course, Dumbledore is about 
150, too <g>).  So, Smith looks *older* than McGonagall should 
actually look.  But, for consistency, Vold should believably look to 
be near the age of Smith.

For that matter, Rickman *looks* older than Snape should, as Snape is 
about 35 or 36 (according to JKR in that same chat).  But, really, 
the consistency of the characters' ages has been stretched quite a 
bit already, so this isn't a huge deal.  Oldman certainly looks much 
more like a contemporary of Rickman's than some of my other choices 
for Sirius, so that's good...

Iggy:
> But then again, if you take Pettigrew and Harry's "contributions" 
to his current body, he'd possibly look younger again.) >>>

Yep, good point, and I'd bet this might even be something referred to 
if necessary to make it more acceptable.

> > Kelley:  [Hopkins] He's still my pick for Moody.  Give him his 
long hair from "Zorro" and there you go. ;-)

Iggy:
> Hmmm... I think I could see that one.  Of course, I could also see 
Ian MacLellan (sp?) playing either Moody or Dumbledore... >>>

Yeah, me too; I'd really like McKellen as Moody, actually.  He's 
always great.  Heh, how about Patrick Stewart as Vold?  Not *quite* a 
reversal of Magneto and Prof Xavier, but close...  ;-)

<snip>
> > Kelley: You're right, I agree, Elwes can do malicious jerk really 
well, but as he's so great at comedic stuff, too, I really wanted him 
for Gilderoy.  

Iggy:
> Hmmmm... What about Elwes as Karkaroff?  (I still can't wait to see 
who they cast as Madame Maxime...) >>>

Now *that* would be interesting.  Hm, how about Christopher Plummer 
(for Karkaroff)?  Actually, he's about the right age for Vold, 
too....hmmm... ;-)

> > Kelley: And, while I don't want to fall into the 'Oldman as 
Sirius' discussions, I will say he (as himself) does not come close 
to my image of Sirius, but he is quite an actor, so I'm sure he'll do 
the role justice for us hardcore fans... (I hope, I hope, I 
hope....) :-D

Iggy:
> Mostly what I was thinking of was the look Oldman can get, and that 
he's a good actor.  (The image that kept springing to mind the most 
was him as the "younger" Vlad Tsepesh in the Frances Ford 
Copella "Dracula" movie.) >>>

Yes, I know what you mean by the "look" he can get, and of course, he 
can have such a different appearance from movie to movie...I was a 
bit shocked when I saw him credited as "Mason Verger", and he was 
very believable in "The Contender", too.

Iggy, from another post:
> As for Crouch Jr., there's a simple solution:

Have someone else play Crouch Jr. (It's a technique that's been used 
quite often... *grin*) >>>

Lol!  Did someone already suggest this (can't recall how this came to 
me) -- but, how about Paul Bettany for Crouch Jr.?


--Kelley




From amani at charter.net  Sun Oct  5 19:21:25 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:21:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <blpq6t+n9b7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009701c38b75$e06ed420$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

> > > Iggy: only problem is whether you want LV to look about the age 
Irons' is...) >>>
> >
> > Kelley: Yes, he's too young, all right.  <snip>

Iggy:
> *grin* I was actually thinking that he'd be too old, but when I 
think back on it, I think Irons would be the right age as he looks.  
(Since the Tom Riddle scenes from the diary happened 50 years ago, 
Voldemort would look about 60... >>>

Kelley:
Haha!  Well, Vold is 66 by the time of PoA, but as of GoF, we learned 
(from a JKR online chat) that McGonagall is about 70.  Now to me, 
Maggie Smith looks about that age, but from the books, McGonagall is 
apparently supposed to look considerably younger than that (my guess 
is probably 20 - 25 years younger; of course, Dumbledore is about 
150, too <g>).  So, Smith looks *older* than McGonagall should 
actually look.  But, for consistency, Vold should believably look to 
be near the age of Smith.

For that matter, Rickman *looks* older than Snape should, as Snape is 
about 35 or 36 (according to JKR in that same chat).  But, really, 
the consistency of the characters' ages has been stretched quite a 
bit already, so this isn't a huge deal.  Oldman certainly looks much 
more like a contemporary of Rickman's than some of my other choices 
for Sirius, so that's good...

Taryn:
Also note that it's not difficult to add age with the wonders of makeup. (Taking age away is a bit trickier.)

And, as you said, the movie ages have become inconsistent enough. Never bothered me. ;)

--Taryn

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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 19:56:11 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:56:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blpotl+p0jg@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00dc01c38b7a$bafcb360$f491aec7@rick>


June:
> Derek Jacobi is one of the finest british actors there is.
>
> Here are a few snippets from his CV:
>

Iggy:
Well, I tried looking him up on the actor's filmography/movie site I listed
and got his film and TV listing.  Unfortunately, they don't have a pic of
him, so I still can't place him.  (You'd think they'd be able to even find a
promo pic from a movie or tv show.)

>
> He also played the leading senator (I forget the character name) in
> Gladiator.

Hmmm... Only movie on his list I'd recognize... But seeing as I don't have a
copy of it... *chuckle*

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"At any time, at any place,
 our snipers can drop you.
Have A Nice Day!"

-- ABS FIRECAT
(Another Bumper Sticker For Iggy's Rather Extensive Collection And Tastes...
for those who don't know already... *grin*)






From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sun Oct  5 20:05:46 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:05:46 -0000
Subject: Rumour about Trelawney
In-Reply-To: <blnnes+n90c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blptiq+u4gi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin"
<irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, CLShannon at a... wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Emma Thompson will play Sybill Trelawney in the third movie. >>
> > 
> > The Leaky Cauldron has the link to the whole article in the
Australian 
> > Herald-Sun and it seems to be true. 
> 
> Excellent, she was my first choice since I read the book.
> Now if Cuaron is as good as they say, he will film all her scenes
> with McGonagall. At least put them on DVD if there is no space in the
> movie between all the CGI. :-(
> 
> Irene

Emma thompson is great, I hope it's true. She can do anything, she is
one of those actors who just can disappear into any role, like
Branagh, her former husband. Someone at Mugglenet said it was not
true, I don't know. There hasn't been any official confirmation yet.
For a while I was worried that there would be no Trelawny in this film
since the actress hasn't been announced. But then Mugglenet has this
set report from someone allowed a tour on the set and who claims to
have seen the set for Trelawny's classroom, and been told they had
filmed there already. So who knows. But yes, Thompson will be just fine.

Torill




From kelleythompson at gbronline.com  Sun Oct  5 20:10:47 2003
From: kelleythompson at gbronline.com (Kelley)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:10:47 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
In-Reply-To: <009701c38b75$e06ed420$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <blpts7+org3@eGroups.com>


> Kelley: Well, Vold is 66 by the time of PoA, but as of GoF, we 
learned (from a JKR online chat) that McGonagall is about 70.  Now to 
me, Maggie Smith looks about that age, but from the books, McGonagall 
is apparently supposed to look considerably younger than that (my 
guess is probably 20 - 25 years younger; of course, Dumbledore is 
about 150, too <g>).  So, Smith looks *older* than McGonagall should 
actually look.  But, for consistency, Vold should believably look to 
be near the age of Smith.
 
> For that matter, Rickman *looks* older than Snape should, as Snape 
is about 35 or 36 (according to JKR in that same chat).  But, really, 
the consistency of the characters' ages has been stretched quite a 
bit already, so this isn't a huge deal.  Oldman certainly looks much 
more like a contemporary of Rickman's than some of my other choices 
for Sirius, so that's good... > >

Taryn:
> Also note that it's not difficult to add age with the wonders of 
makeup. (Taking age away is a bit trickier.) >>>

Very true!  And, as per the description of Vold's appearance when he 
rises from the cauldron in "Flesh, Blood, and Bone":  "...tall and 
skeletally thin..." and his face -- "Whiter than a skull, with wide, 
livid scarlet eyes and a nose that was flat as a snakes' with slits 
for nostrils...", so not like Vold's going to *look* like the actor 
that portrays him, anyway. ;-)

> And, as you said, the movie ages have become inconsistent enough. 
Never bothered me. ;) >>>

Eh, it bugged me mildly early on, but I've gotten used to it; it was 
the LOON in me, lol.  Just so long as the cast is always 
British...  :-D

--Kelley




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sun Oct  5 20:23:55 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:23:55 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <000a01c38adf$4fed55c0$4cee79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blpukr+pf5v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" <coyoteschild at p...>
wrote:
> 
> Ok then, folks... Who would YOU want to cast as Voldemort in GoF?
 
I think the choice for voldie has very little to do with looks. They
have to make some sort of mask for his face anyway. What they need is
a GOOD actor, and maybe not to fat, with the right voice. I think
Irons would be just marvellous - another of those shockingly talented
guys that can portray just about anything and anybody. Yeah, he would
have  made a good Lupin too. 

And Iggy - just love your stickers. Really makes me laugh, each time.
Quite a collection, right? How many do you have??

Torill 




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sun Oct  5 20:27:06 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:27:06 -0000
Subject: Herald Sun article
In-Reply-To: <blp72p+4qmm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blpuqq+b0tp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jeanico at s...> wrote:
> After reading the Herald Sun article about the young stars of the HP 
> movies, all I can say is that I hope that the people who surround 
> them (parents especially, director, producers) don't let all the fame 
> and fortune go to their heads and help them keep their feet on the 
> ground... They're nice kids, at heart... I hope they stay that way 
> and don't become spoiled brats.
> Just my 2 cents worth! Have a great day, everyone    
> Nicole

I understand your concern Nicole. But I don't think you need to worry
just from what one random newspaper writes. Nothing in that article
was that bad either, really. Tom likes to practise driving in a BMW,
hey, wouldn't any 16 year old boy if he could? 

Torill




From maris at myhome.net  Sun Oct  5 20:33:27 2003
From: maris at myhome.net (Maris)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 13:33:27 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blp2hh+10874@eGroups.com> <001401c38b67$06560960$97ef79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <005c01c38b7f$f0dc9040$d7a4dccf@raven>

  From: "Donna" .
  > What about Derek Jacobi for Moody?  Did you see Branagh's "Hamlet"? His Claudius was remarkable.  He played the part of a benign king who really was a lecherous murderer to perfection.  Can't you just see him playing the sympathetic Moody and turning into a vengence riddled Crouch, Jr.?  I know he is a bit old for the part of Crouch, Jr.  But they can do wonders with makeup.
  > D


  YES!!  Brilliant!!!.....  Derek Jacobi would be perfect.
  Having read the "I, Claudius" and "Claudius the God and his wife, Messalina" [Robert Graves] books, I feel that his portrayal was very close to the feeling of the man portrayed in the stories.  
  If he can do the same with Mad-Eye Moody, .... ~wow~ ....

  Snuffles



  " ... It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. ..." 
  - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets  'J.K. Rowling'


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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 20:26:23 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:26:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <blpq6t+n9b7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c38b7e$f336c960$f491aec7@rick>


Kelly:
> Really, I agree; what was the deal back then, that Tim Roth was first
> in consideration for Snape, but he was otherwise committed, so the
> role went to Rickman?  Something like that I think.  Anyhow, I think
> he would have been quite good, too, but better for Sirius than for
> Snape.  Aside from Snape or Sirius, though, I can't think of what
> other part Oldman would be good for...

Hmmm... He might have made a passable Remus Lupin... Or maybe Crouch Sr...
(just an idea...)

> > > Kelley:  [Hopkins] He's still my pick for Moody.  Give him his
> long hair from "Zorro" and there you go. ;-)
>
> Iggy:
> > Hmmm... I think I could see that one.  Of course, I could also see
> Ian MacLellan (sp?) playing either Moody or Dumbledore... >>>
>
> Yeah, me too; I'd really like McKellen as Moody, actually.  He's
> always great.  Heh, how about Patrick Stewart as Vold?  Not *quite* a
> reversal of Magneto and Prof Xavier, but close...  ;-)

Actually, I just thought of someone who, IMHO, would make a GREAT Moody...
Malcom McDowall.

He has a face and mannerisms that would work well with some makeup... He can
get the quiet intensity well, along with the intense outbursts that Moody is
known for.


(As a side note about Patrick Stewart... I'm STILL pissed that they switched
from him to Arnold to play the role of Mr Freeze in "Batman and Robin."  It
was one of the worst decisions WB has ever made, since any good Batman fan
will tell you that Patrick Stewart IS Victor Freeze...  I hope that was one
of the reasons rumor has it that they got rid of Joel Shumacher... since he
was destroying the series, and got Tim Burton back to direct, with Frank
Miller supervizing the writing of the next script...)

>
> <snip>
> > > Kelley: You're right, I agree, Elwes can do malicious jerk really
> well, but as he's so great at comedic stuff, too, I really wanted him
> for Gilderoy.
>
> Iggy:
> > Hmmmm... What about Elwes as Karkaroff?  (I still can't wait to see
> who they cast as Madame Maxime...) >>>
>
> Now *that* would be interesting.  Hm, how about Christopher Plummer
> (for Karkaroff)?  Actually, he's about the right age for Vold,
> too....hmmm... ;-)

Actually, Elwes would kinda look right for Barty Crouch Jr... wouldn't he?
*griN*

Lemme see... looking for Plummer on the web-site...

Hmmm.. they have 2 different listings for the name...  *mutter*

Nope... Can't see it.  I'd be looking at his face and thinking of Reverend
Jonathan Whirley from the Dan Aykroyd / Tom Hanks version of Dragnet.  (It's
the first thing that popped into my head when I saw his pic..)


Now, if they'd suspend the rules about using only British actors (with the
exception, of course, of Chris Columbus' daughter... *chuckle*) I would have
a couple of ideas...

Edward Herrmann... he played Max in "the Lost Boys".  (the vampire movie
filmed in my hometown of Santa Cruz, California... Yes, I know.. They call
it Santa Carla, but that's the official alias for Santa Cruz in the movies.
And yes, back int he 1970's, it WAS the mass murder capital of the world, so
a lot of the comments they make are almost inside jokes for us Santa
Cruzans...)  He'd have to lose some weight, but I think he could make it
work as Voldie... Or not bother losing the weight and make a good Karkaroff.

Crispin Glover.  Use makeup to age him a bit, or go with the fact that his
new body is younger because of the "ingredients" and you'd have a pretty
good LV.  (I think he'd also love the role because that's just the way
Glover is.  He playes the nut-job, psycho, creepy roles because he LOVES
them... and is more than a bit nuts in RL.  An article in Time magazine a
number of years back had a photo of him sitting in his favorite chair... an
antique, stainless steel, gynecologist's examination chair.)

>>Iggy:
>> Have someone else play Crouch Jr. (It's a technique that's been used
>> quite often... *grin*) >>>
>

>Kelly:
> Lol!  Did someone already suggest this (can't recall how this came to
> me) -- but, how about Paul Bettany for Crouch Jr.?

Oh, just looked up his bio.  He would do a good job... but... I think I can
see him in some other role...   AHA! I got it!  (see below for the idea...)

(And I LOVED him in the role of Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale.")

hmm... which brings me to an interesting idea... Heath Ledger as Crouch Jr.

Now, going a fun step, and dying their hair red...

Paul Bettany as Charlie Weasley, and Heath Ledger as Bill!   *grin*



Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"Once you have pulled the pin from Mr. Grenade,
  he is no longer your friend."

-- ABS FIRECAT






From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 20:33:25 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 15:33:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blpukr+pf5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <010401c38b7f$eec68180$f491aec7@rick>



> And Iggy - just love your stickers. Really makes me laugh, each time.
> Quite a collection, right? How many do you have??
>
> Torill
>

*grin*  I counted them the other day.  I have 78.

I'd have a lot more if I could afford to buy them whenever I find one I
like.  I bought most of mine as a bookstore back in Santa Cruz that sold
them for a dollar a piece.  I'm probably going to try to find some web-sites
that sell them and see if they do so cheaply enough to add a lot to my
collection.  I always go for ones that have an odd sense of humor to them,
or that point out some irony.

I got two that I had to buy just because I found them in the stack in this
order:

"I ate my other car."

"... and your little dog too!"  (a quote, of course, from Wizard of OZ.)


One of these days, I might just record them all and send the entire list in
for people's amusement.


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"Driver Carries No Ca$h
HE'S MARRIED"

-- ABS FIRECAT






From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sun Oct  5 20:46:05 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 20:46:05 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <bllnoo+7t1o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blpvud+mg35@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:
> Torill, I lurk because I not online everyday - I wish I had the time 
> and I get so interested reading other people's post by the time I 
> think of my reply then someone post what I was going to say. That 
> happens a lot on the main HPFGU board, which I don't think I have 
> posted on in over a year.

The main list is too busy for me too, to keep up there is a full time
job ...nicer here, you've got a chance to get to recognize posters. 
  
I started to post a few time on that 
> board after book 5 but I am still in mourning over the death. 

Don't even mention it.....I went straight into a depression over that.
But still a great story, the way his life is told, to break out from
that terrible house, and then end in Azkaban, to just have some few
months of freedom before he died....

Also, 
> sometimes I feel so much older than most of the fans on these list. I 
> think the poll on the main group shows most everyone between 18 and 
> 30 and that puts me at least decade over the mean. (I'm 41). So yes I 
> feel a little... shy about posting. 

Don't worry. I'm more your age than the average too, and I don't think
we're the only ones. Potter fans come at all ages. And the younger
ones need our wisdom, hehe ;)

> 
> Anyway, as for Dan's fan mail, yes I had also heard that the studio 
> folks sort the mail a little but, I also read this article on a day 
> in his life or something like that.

A day in the life of Marcia Gresham (his mother) yeah, I read that
too. But she didn't mention anything about sorting mail, just chasing
off fans bold enough to come marching up to their front door. (and
good on them too!) Fans posting about photos they've got from Dan tell
that the pictures has a sticker on the back saying they're the
property of Warner Brothers made for publicity purposes only. It's a
big company we're dealing with, they know how to do this. Hopefully
they do their bit on protecting our young Dan too.

 

 However, the tatoos on 
> Sirius bug me. I just NEVER pictured him that way. He is supposed to 
> be a charming handsome man who has wasted in prison but you can still 
> see the charming handsome man underneath - Harry's thoughts in the 
> tunnel after the Shack scene state that. But with tatoos??? Ick.

I think he could have tattoos. Think about his story. Breaking away
from that terrible house in total opposition to his very posh family,
hanging out with the coolest of the cool in his teenager years, and
then riding the skies on this big bike as a young adult. I don't think
tattoos are beyond him. He wasn't just the charming man, his character
is a lot more complicated than that, filled with knots and
contradictions. His and Snape's are among the most interesting
characters in the whole series, and I hate that sadistic woman for
killing him off (Sorry, Jo, just had to get that off my chest....) 

Torill




From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Sun Oct  5 21:51:06 2003
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:51:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
In-Reply-To: <00e301c38b7e$f336c960$f491aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <057B06E4-F77E-11D7-A21B-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>

>> Kelly:
>> Lol!  Did someone already suggest this (can't recall how this came to 
>> me) -- but, how about Paul Bettany for Crouch Jr.?

Iggy:
> Oh, just looked up his bio.  He would do a good job... but... I think 
> I can
> see him in some other role...   AHA! I got it!  (see below for the 
> idea...)
>
> (And I LOVED him in the role of Chaucer in "A Knight's Tale.")
>
> hmm... which brings me to an interesting idea... Heath Ledger as 
> Crouch Jr.
>
> Now, going a fun step, and dying their hair red...
>
> Paul Bettany as Charlie Weasley, and Heath Ledger as Bill!   *grin*
>

You know...I, um...well.  *blushes* I have this thing for Paul Bettany. 
  Everything I see him in (such as "A Knight's Tale"), I am simply 
entranced.  I have no idea why this is, although I'm sure it's not his 
looks, because he's far too old for me and not my type at all.  
Furthermore, I am almost never that impressed by movie stars, 
especially ones who aren't even particularly pretty.  *is distressed*

That said, not only do I find him incredibly intriguing (my crushes 
almost always manifest themselves as a intense sort of curiosity, 
rather than melting/fuzzy/gooey feelings), but he's also completely 
taken over my inner picture of what an adult Ron might look like.  
Which is another bit of weirdness, considering the fact that I am 
definitely not a Ron fan.

Anyhow, since he obviously can't be Ron, I'm thinking that the next 
best thing would probably be Bill.  I mean, Charlie is sort of the 
rough-and-tumble dragon slayer (or..erm, caretaker) type, and I picture 
him as sort of muscular and stocky.  Bettany just does not have that 
look.  On the other hand, I think he could pull off Bill quite easily 
(and not just because I think the man is, in Harry's words, "Cool").

Laura (who would like to note that her thing for Paul Bettany is not 
exactly a "crush," per se, and that she only called it that for lack of 
a better word.)

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From amani at charter.net  Sun Oct  5 22:27:49 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:27:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <blpq6t+n9b7@eGroups.com> <00e301c38b7e$f336c960$f491aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <00c901c38b8f$e8d715e0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Iggly
Actually, I just thought of someone who, IMHO, would make a GREAT Moody...
Malcom McDowall.

He has a face and mannerisms that would work well with some makeup... He can
get the quiet intensity well, along with the intense outbursts that Moody is
known for.

Taryn:
Oooh! I'm sold! I adore Malcolm McDowall. (Stupidly enough, starting from the Wing Commander games.) I'd like to see his accent loosen up a bit. In all the stuff I've seen him in, his accent has been very...exact (someone with a better knowledge of British accents, help me out?), which doesn't strike me as Moody at all. But I know he'd be great.

--Taryn

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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 22:34:20 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:34:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <057B06E4-F77E-11D7-A21B-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <001b01c38b90$d3b65800$46e879a5@rick>


>>Iggy:
> > Paul Bettany as Charlie Weasley, and Heath Ledger as Bill!   *grin*
> >

>Laura:
>
> You know...I, um...well.  *blushes* I have this thing for Paul Bettany.
>   Everything I see him in (such as "A Knight's Tale"), I am simply
> entranced.  I have no idea why this is, although I'm sure it's not his
> looks, because he's far too old for me and not my type at all.
> Furthermore, I am almost never that impressed by movie stars,
> especially ones who aren't even particularly pretty.  *is distressed*

*chuckle* My wife and I each have a "Hottie List," which is a list of people
who (if we had a shot with for a couple of days...*grin*) the other one
would kinda have to understand if we took it.

My list actually includes a wide variety of women, some of who a lot of
people wouldn't think to put on such a list, but are definately in my book.
(Caroline Rhea, Queen Latifa, and Bette Midler, to name a few... BTW: I'm
33, and my wife is 35...)
And yes, I include some more mainstream "hotties" like Drew Berrymore, Selma
Heyak, and Rachel Weisz as well...  *chuckle*

I tend to be more of a fascination based person as well... I tend to also be
attracted to women who are intelligent, funny, and self confident with who
they are, in addition to them being good looking... even if not by the
popular "media" standard of beauty.  (All of which, of course, describes my
wife pretty well.)

> Anyhow, since he obviously can't be Ron, I'm thinking that the next
> best thing would probably be Bill.  I mean, Charlie is sort of the
> rough-and-tumble dragon slayer (or..erm, caretaker) type, and I picture
> him as sort of muscular and stocky.  Bettany just does not have that
> look.  On the other hand, I think he could pull off Bill quite easily
> (and not just because I think the man is, in Harry's words, "Cool").

See, I think he would actually do a decent job as wither Charlie or Bill...
But I'd be more inclined to put him as Charlie if Heath Ledger was the other
brother, since Bill is described as more of a "pretty boy" in a cool guy
sort of way.  (This seems to be more of a Heath sort of area... and I think
he'd look a lot better with the longer hair than Bettany would.)

As for the "muscular and stocky" part... Yeah, the book does describe Charly
as such, but that type of thing can be worked with a little bit...   (He
would require a dye job, again, but Mark Addy fits the physical look,
otherwise.  He played Roland in "A Knight's Tale," and Dave in "the Full
Monty.")

>
> Laura (who would like to note that her thing for Paul Bettany is not
> exactly a "crush," per se, and that she only called it that for lack of
> a better word.)
>

How about "an intense fascination"?  *grin*


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"REALITY  (Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from?)"

-- ABS FIRECAT






From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 23:28:02 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:28:02 -0500
Subject: A few pics
Message-ID: <004801c38b98$53725ec0$46e879a5@rick>

Ok all, here are a few pics of people we have been talking about.  (All of
them are from the site I mentioned...)  This is just so that you can get
some images in mind.

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

Mark Addy


Paul Bettany


Heath Ledger


Malcom McDowell



And lastly,

Jeremy Irons


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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Sun Oct  5 23:32:59 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 18:32:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A few pics
References: <004801c38b98$53725ec0$46e879a5@rick>
Message-ID: <005201c38b99$04977dc0$46e879a5@rick>

Nertz... the pictures were deleted.

Oh well, I tried...

Iggy


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Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A few pics


> Ok all, here are a few pics of people we have been talking about.  (All of
> them are from the site I mentioned...)  This is just so that you can get
> some images in mind.
>
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster
>
> Mark Addy
>
>
> Paul Bettany
>
>
> Heath Ledger
>
>
> Malcom McDowell
>
>
>
> And lastly,
>
> Jeremy Irons
>
>
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>
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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  6 00:55:35 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:55:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF / general casting
References: <blpq6t+n9b7@eGroups.com> <00e301c38b7e$f336c960$f491aec7@rick> <00c901c38b8f$e8d715e0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <010c01c38ba4$8ff680e0$dbed79a5@rick>


> Taryn:
> Oooh! I'm sold! I adore Malcolm McDowall. (Stupidly enough, starting from
the Wing Commander games.) I'd like to see his accent loosen up a bit. In
all the stuff I've seen him in, his accent has been very...exact (someone
with a better knowledge of British accents, help me out?), which doesn't
strike me as Moody at all. But I know he'd be great.

Actually, if you've ever seen the Teen Titan's cartoon on Cartoon Network (I
don't know if you get it there at all...), Malcolm McDowell played the bad
guy, Mad Mod, in the "Detention" episode.  In that episode, he talks very
much as what I'd expect the love child of Austin Powers and Andy Warhol to
sound like.  ("No, no.  You won't be going that way, my poppets."... stuff
like that.)  He's designed as a British Mod (you know, 60's hipster) type
guy who's trying to "reform" the supposedly bad behavior of the Teen Titans.

He definitely doesn't sound like an upper class, Oxford-type Brit.  I knew I
recognized the voice, but actually had to go to a "voice actor's page" I
have bookmarked on my explorer before I knew who he was... and even then I
was still amazed.


I think McDowell has a very versatile voice... He just tends to get cast in
a lot of roles where the more educated and precise sounding voice is more
appropriate.


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster


"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather
  Because it's easier to harass rich women
    Than motorcycle gangs."

--  ABS FIRECAT






From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  6 01:28:05 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:28:05 -0500
Subject: Other casting ideas
Message-ID: <000701c38ba9$1a225f60$c4e979a5@rick>

I just got another fun casting idea...

How about Eddie Izzard as Ludo Bagman?  (I'd love to see him get a role in
one of the movies, and the character of Bagman is just absurd enough that an
actor like Izzard could pull it off.  That, and anyone who's seen his stage
act "Dressed to Kill"... which, incidentally, I managed to tape a new copy
of off of HBO last night since my old one wore out... would know that he
would be very comfortable wearing those long, flowing robes and makeup.
*grin*)

Actually, I think a perfect choice for Barty Crouch Sr. would be Jonathan
Pryce.  (If you've seen "Tomorrow Never Dies"... yes, another Bond film...
I'm a BIG Bond movie fan... you'll see some of what I mean.  Businesslike,
ruthless, driven, and has impeccable taste in clothes.  That, and if someone
makes his public image suffer, the penalty is severe.)  He can easily look
the part, and can adopt the appropriate mannerisms quite well.


Just a couple more ideas.  *grin*

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"DON'T STEAL  (The government hates competition)"

-- ABS FIRECAT






From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 07:05:52 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 07:05:52 -0000
Subject: Dan in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blpvud+mg35@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blr48g+tue4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug"
<torillgrnhaug at y...> wrote:

> I think he could have tattoos. Think about his story. Breaking away
> from that terrible house in total opposition to his very posh family,
> hanging out with the coolest of the cool in his teenager years, and
> then riding the skies on this big bike as a young adult. I don't think
> tattoos are beyond him. He wasn't just the charming man, his character
> is a lot more complicated than that, filled with knots and
> contradictions. His and Snape's are among the most interesting
> characters in the whole series, and I hate that sadistic woman for
> killing him off (Sorry, Jo, just had to get that off my chest....) 
> 
> Torill

Let's remember the people most likely to wear tattoos in the good old
days, sailors and prisoners. I'm getting Memento-induced mental images
from the tattoos -- can't you see Sirius carving his memories into his
skin in an attempt to make them stay?

That doesn't mean I like the idea. Azkaban should be more like Chateau
d'If and the Bastille than any modern-day prison.

Alshain 




From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 09:48:51 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:48:51 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <00dc01c38b7a$bafcb360$f491aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <blrdq3+pq6b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> Iggy:
> Well, I tried looking him up on the actor's filmography/movie site 
I listed
> and got his film and TV listing.  Unfortunately, they don't have a 
pic of
> him, so I still can't place him.  (You'd think they'd be able to 
even find a
> promo pic from a movie or tv show.)
> 
> Hmmm... Only movie on his list I'd recognize... But seeing as I 
don't have a
> copy of it... *chuckle*
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster
> 
> "At any time, at any place,
>  our snipers can drop you.
> Have A Nice Day!"
> 
> -- ABS FIRECAT
> (Another Bumper Sticker For Iggy's Rather Extensive Collection And 
Tastes...
> for those who don't know already... *grin*)

Here is the address for the website for Sir Derek Jacobi:

www.linsdomain.com/jacobi.htm

Lots of pics there.

D




From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 10:30:27 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:30:27 -0000
Subject: Other casting ideas
In-Reply-To: <000701c38ba9$1a225f60$c4e979a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blrg83+her8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> Actually, I think a perfect choice for Barty Crouch Sr. would be 
Jonathan
> Pryce.  (If you've seen "Tomorrow Never Dies"... yes, another Bond 
film...
> I'm a BIG Bond movie fan... you'll see some of what I mean.  
Businesslike,
> ruthless, driven, and has impeccable taste in clothes.  That, and 
if someone
> makes his public image suffer, the penalty is severe.)  He can 
easily look
> the part, and can adopt the appropriate mannerisms quite well.
> 
> 
> Just a couple more ideas.  *grin*
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster
> 
> "DON'T STEAL  (The government hates competition)"
> 
> -- ABS FIRECAT

Did you see "Pirates of the Carribean"?  Pryce was the govenor.  How 
perfect is he for the role of Crouch, Sr?  Abso-freekin'-lutely!

D




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  6 14:56:52 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:56:52 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blplj4+ob34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blrvrk+7pob@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <deemarie1a at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
> <coyoteschild at p...> wrote:

> 
> Well, maybe you have seen him in other films?  He was the chorus 
> in "Henry V".  He played Frank in "Dead Again" (which, by the way, is 
> another of those parts where he was sympathetic at the begining...but 
> to say more would give away the plot for those of you who want to 
> check out a film that is quite an homage to Hitchcock.).  He was a 
> protege of Lord Lawrence Olivier (oh, if only he was still alive, he 
> would be the perfect LV).
> 
> D - who wishes she had her own ABS FIRECAT!

I just want to add that I'd love to see Jacobi as anything in HP, he's just a 
brilliant actor,  one of the very, very best. I f Gambon had not been picked to 
succeed Harris as Dumbledore, and if I'd had a say, Jacobi would most 
definitely be our favorite headmaster..but that's water under the bridge.

As for Voldemorts age--I don't think it really figures into the equation much at 
this point. Is he even at an "age"? We know from canon that he at Harry's 
birth had undergone so may transformations in his quest for immortality that 
he was unable to die. When he rises out of the cauldron at the end of GoF, 
he does have a mortal body, true, but it's still not a body with a chronological 
age per se; it's still not the body he was born with. (Just my two knuts...)

Sophia 




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 15:13:49 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:13:49 -0000
Subject: Trelawney rumor, and then some...
Message-ID: <bls0rd+rpq0@eGroups.com>

(Swiped from another group)

Tom, Emma, Dan and Rupert filled in the Herald Sun about what they've 
been doing in their spare time. Here's the summary:

Tom Felton loves cars and drives a BMW 316 Estate as his training 
car. His first proper car will be a 1.8 sports coupe.

One of Dan's favorite movies is Cuaron's Y Tu Mama Tambien, and some 
of his new favorite bands include Jane's Addiction, the Libertines, 
Rage Against the Machine and the Darkness.

Rupert is a crack pool player -- he has a table in his dressing room -
- and he's just taken up golf. (Go, Rupert!)

Emma loves dancing (she's taking lessons), and she very proud of the 
fact that she is now taller than Dan. ("By about half a millimeter." -
Dan) 

And in the last part of the article, it's stated that actress Emma 
Thompson will make a guest appearance as Professor Trelawney. 
Newsround reported in April that Thompson wasn't one of the names 
being considered for the role, but perhaps that changed? With the 
right makeup I think she'd be a great Trelawney.




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 15:17:01 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:17:01 -0000
Subject: Rumour about Trelawney
In-Reply-To: <bln5lg+rq6b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bls11d+cmj2@eGroups.com>

I hope this is true.  She was my pick for Trelawney.  Tracy Ullman is 
my pick for Rita Skeeter.

Marci

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
> According to this article (second to last paragraph): 
> http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,7460354%
> 5E2902,00.html
> Emma Thompson will play Sybill Trelawney in the third movie.
> 
> I really hope it's true, I like Thompson and think, she can play 
> every role.
> 
> (Sorry about the short post)
> 
> Hickengruendler




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 20:12:25 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:12:25 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films 
Message-ID: <blsib9+sbio@eGroups.com>

I was thinking about two other British actors I love and tried to
squeeze them into the Harry Potter films, but without satisfactory
results, probably because they have such strong regional accents (I'm
a complete sucker for Welsh and Scottish accents) Has anyone else ever
wished for Rhys Ifans and/or John Hannah to be cast, or am I alone in
the world?

Rhys Ifans: Played flatmate of Hugh Grant in Notting Hill and errant
father in Dancing at Lughnasa (lovely film btw, the first thing with
Michael Gambon I've seen). Most famous for playing wackos, but the
portrait of the father in D. a. L. was heartbreaklingly caring and
sweet. I know he's too young and has the wrong kind of accent and
David Thewlis has already been cast, but I could easily imagine him as
Lupin. If Lupin was Welsh, that is.

John Hannah: Four Weddings And A Funeral, Sliding Doors, The Mummy
Returns, title character of the TV series McCallum. Why oh why isn't
anybody in Potterverse (apart from McGonagall) portrayed as Scottish? 

Alshain, hoping that McGonagall has a nephew who will play a crucial
part in the plot  





From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Mon Oct  6 20:57:29 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:57:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Two actors I'd love to see in the films
References: <blsib9+sbio@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <02dd01c38c4c$761b2740$f6e979a5@rick>


From: Alshain

> Rhys Ifans: Played flatmate of Hugh Grant in Notting Hill and errant
> father in Dancing at Lughnasa (lovely film btw, the first thing with
> Michael Gambon I've seen). Most famous for playing wackos, but the
> portrait of the father in D. a. L. was heartbreaklingly caring and
> sweet. I know he's too young and has the wrong kind of accent and
> David Thewlis has already been cast, but I could easily imagine him as
> Lupin. If Lupin was Welsh, that is.

For those of you in the US, you're more likely to have seen him as Adrian in
the movie "Little Nicky", or the Welsh place-kicker, Nigel 'The Leg' Gruff,
in "the Replacements"

While it would be great to see him in one of the movies, I can't really see
him as any of the current characters, unfortunately.  (Let's hope a
character is introduced tht he could portray...)

>
> John Hannah: Four Weddings And A Funeral, Sliding Doors, The Mummy
> Returns, title character of the TV series McCallum. Why oh why isn't
> anybody in Potterverse (apart from McGonagall) portrayed as Scottish?

He was actually in both, "the Mummy" and "the Mummy Returns."

(Looking at his fimlography on my favorite site for such things, I've also
found out that he plays the main character in the TV movie series "Rebus"...
which makes me actually want to check them out the next time they come onto
the BBC America channel here...  Normally I don't like shows like that, but
he's a good actor.  Kinda like Robbie Coltrane in the "Cracker" series...)


Another great actor I'd love to see get a part in one of the movies is John
Rhys-Davies.  (He might work as Bagman, as an alternate to my Eddie Izzard
suggestion... other than that, the only current character I can see him as
is Grawp...)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"I love cats.  They taste just like chicken."

-- ABS FIRECAT






From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Mon Oct  6 21:38:29 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:38:29 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <02dd01c38c4c$761b2740$f6e979a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blsncl+p2cd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
 
> Another great actor I'd love to see get a part in one of the movies 
is John
> Rhys-Davies.  (He might work as Bagman, as an alternate to my Eddie 
Izzard
> suggestion... other than that, the only current character I can see 
him as
> is Grawp...)
> 
> 

I think Rhys-Davies is a bit to old for Bagman. In the pensieve scene 
in GoF Bagman still played Quidditch, that was 13 or 14 years before 
the main action in GoF took place. I would say Rhys-Davies is at 
least 55, if not 60, at least he looks that age, IMO. (That's my 
guess, if he turns out to be younger, than: "Sorry Mr. Rhys-Davies" 
*g*). Also, I know that Bagman isn't supposed to look like his former 
athletic self, but nonetheless I have a hard time imagine Rhys-Davies 
as a former Quidditch-Athlete. He looks a bit like Hagrid. I could 
rather see him as Crouch. I think Crouch is supposed to be thin, but 
I don't think the look is that important in Crouch's case, and I am 
sure Rhys-Davies could play the character very well. 

I could see John Hannah as Crouch as well. Although he might be a bit 
to young. Maybe as Karkaroff, but in his case (and in Fleur's, Krum's 
and Maxime's as well), I actually hope for a non-british actor.  

I don't know the other actor, so I don't know which part he could 
play. But if he really played a flatmate of Hugh Grant, I suppose he 
is in his thirties, am I right? Age-Wise I would think Bagman might 
fit, but I don't know if the actor looks the part.  

Did someone see the 10 year anniversary-concert from L?s Mis?rables a 
few years ago? What about Alun Armstrong who played Th?nardier? In 
that mask, he already looked like Mundungus Fletcher. *g*

Hickengruendler




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Oct  7 03:53:51 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 03:53:51 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos
Message-ID: <bltdcf+kduu@eGroups.com>

Ok. Delurking again. See what you created in me Torill. ;o)

Have to defend myself here...
I guess what I really was trying to say is, ok the man rode a flying 
motorbike - which is part of what first attracted me to him when I 
read book one - I thought cool Young Sirius Black has a flying 
motorbike that beats a broom anyday. Anyway, he was also a marauder, 
a prankster, nice looking according to JK, a good guy but from a 
prejudiced pureblood family, probably had a chip on his shoulder, 
picked on those who everyone thought was weird - Snape - just to look 
cool, which apparently they were so that proves he was a little James 
Deanish - a Rebel. Yes, I could see a tatoo on his arm or maybe his 
shoulders or whatever. And maybe I could see him sitting in prison 
etching memories on himself, but small little pictures. However, I 
cannot imagine in my wildest dreams - of which I would confess Sirius 
has entered many times, tatoos like I have seen on Gary Oldman in the 
photos released from the filming. Incidently, I read where Gary said 
it was Mr. Cuaron's idea. Well, why do the look like cattle brands if 
he is supposed to look like a rebel which was the look I believe 
Alfonso was going for? Even prisoners and pirates didn't have brand 
looking tatoos. I mean the ones in the photos look like the Azkaban 
guards - not the dementor ones - branded him so folks would know 
where he had been. Much like the jailbird looking robes he is wearing 
in a photo. I guess I would have accepted them if they were more like 
a black dog, or 'Gryffindors Rock' or 'Marauders forever'. Even 
something like 'I'm Serious kiss me' - sorry bad pun. I guess I was 
just shocked when I saw the photo because I had high hopes Gary would 
have long stringy hair, look haunted and thin. And then I saw the 
brands on his chest and both my oldest son and I said at the same 
time 'Tatoos?'. Oh well, at least the man can act so I have high 
hopes he will do a decent Sirius. I can over look the adornments on a 
character in a movie as long as they can act. 

Also, in reference to Emma Thompson as Trelawny - Cool, I love her. 
And the kids in the article to me don't sound spoiled. They sound 
like typical teenagers. My nephew who is now in his early twenties 
was that way at 15-16, cars and rock music and my two boys aren't 
quite teenagers (8 and almost 12) but I already see them talking 
about stuff like that with their friends - and heaven forbid the 'she 
is kinda hot conversations'. Yikes! Not ready for that. Anyway, I 
think they are still neat kids.

Theresa




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 12:51:13 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:51:13 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <blsncl+p2cd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blucs1+1lmn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler"
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:

> I think Rhys-Davies is a bit to old for Bagman. In the pensieve scene 
> in GoF Bagman still played Quidditch, that was 13 or 14 years before 
> the main action in GoF took place. I would say Rhys-Davies is at 
> least 55, if not 60, at least he looks that age, IMO. 

Alshain:
He's 59 says imdb, so a good guess. It's too bad we don't know at what
age people stop playing professional Quidditch, but I think their
careers might be a bit longer than the ones of Muggle athletes. I can
imagine him in the role quite well, exuding a kind of backslapping,
flamboyant joviality cum dodginess. 

> I could see John Hannah as Crouch as well. Although he might be a bit 
> to young. Maybe as Karkaroff, but in his case (and in Fleur's, Krum's 
> and Maxime's as well), I actually hope for a non-british actor.  

Karkaroff with a Scottish accent. That would be the day. :-)
 
> I don't know the other actor, so I don't know which part he could 
> play. But if he really played a flatmate of Hugh Grant, I suppose he 
> is in his thirties, am I right? Age-Wise I would think Bagman might 
> fit, but I don't know if the actor looks the part.  

Thought about posting a link in my first post, but forgot about it.
Here: http://www.geocities.com/rhysifans/

Not really a Bagman type IMO. But it seems our opinions about Bagman's
age differ a bit, I imagine him to be in his forties or early fifties.

No one from OoP fits either as I recall, I've loaned it to a friend so
I can't check.

Alshain




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct  7 14:17:12 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:17:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sirius/Oldman's tatoos
References: <bltdcf+kduu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c38cdd$b5132e20$eeed79a5@rick>


>Theresa:
> And then I saw the
> brands on his chest and both my oldest son and I said at the same
> time 'Tatoos?'. Oh well, at least the man can act so I have high
> hopes he will do a decent Sirius. I can over look the adornments on a
> character in a movie as long as they can act.


Where can I find the picture to see these tattoos everyone is talking about?

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

*clears his throat and speaks in a melodramatically imperious tone*
"An ABS FIRECAT shall not be wasted on a single line letter."
*grin*

-- Iggy, feeling a bit silly...







From HMaffioli at cox.net  Tue Oct  7 14:41:49 2003
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:41:49 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
References: <blucs1+1lmn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c38ce1$23db2300$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>

Alshainofthenorth writes:
Not really a Bagman type IMO. But it seems our opinions about Bagman's age differ a bit, I imagine him to be in his forties or early fifties. No one from OoP fits either as I recall, I've loaned it to a friend so I can't check.


My reply:
I would love to see Colmn Meany play Bagman.  He has that "once played but let his phisque go" look to me.  He plaid the emgenier on The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 if you are unfamiliar with him (he has been in tons of movies as well).

Heather





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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Oct  7 15:59:24 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:59:24 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos
In-Reply-To: <001001c38cdd$b5132e20$eeed79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <blunss+62ho@eGroups.com>

It is an unofficial photo as it was taken at the studios on a break. 
The two with Rickman, Rupert and Oldman and supposedly fans who got 
to meet them. The reason it is unoffical is they were out of costume 
or only partially in costume. Plus the official pictures did not come 
out until a few days later. But you can see those on the Offical HP 
site or The Leaky Cauldron has links and I think the Snitch does too.

http://www.thesnitch.co.uk/galleries/index.php?
Location=/home/virtual/site17/fst/var/www/html/galleries/POA%
20Gallery/On%20The%20Set/Miscellaneous%20Images

You might have to hightlight the link and cut and paste it into your 
browser. Then you click on the arrow under 'action'. If it doesn't 
work, email me offline as I saved it to my hard drive and I will 
email it to you.

But this photo is why I went 'Hey! My Siri has been branded! Yuck!'

The official Shrieking Shack scene has them too but you don't notice 
them like this one.

Theresa
Yes I am delurking again and I should be working right now but was 
tired of looking at the charts I am making for my boss and needed a 
break - I don't smoke so when the smokers take a break, this is MY 
kind of break. It is far more healthy! ;o)

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> 
> >Theresa:
> > And then I saw the
> > brands on his chest and both my oldest son and I said at the same
> > time 'Tatoos?'. Oh well, at least the man can act so I have high
> > hopes he will do a decent Sirius. I can over look the adornments 
on a
> > character in a movie as long as they can act.
> 
> 
> Where can I find the picture to see these tattoos everyone is 
talking about?
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster
> 
> *clears his throat and speaks in a melodramatically imperious tone*
> "An ABS FIRECAT shall not be wasted on a single line letter."
> *grin*
> 
> -- Iggy, feeling a bit silly...




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 16:50:25 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:50:25 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <blsib9+sbio@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bluqsh+tjna@eGroups.com>

"alshainofthenorth" <alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
<snipped>
> 
> Rhys Ifans: Played flatmate of Hugh Grant in Notting Hill and errant
> father in Dancing at Lughnasa (lovely film btw, the first thing with
> Michael Gambon I've seen). Most famous for playing wackos, but the
> portrait of the father in D. a. L. was heartbreaklingly caring and
> sweet. I know he's too young and has the wrong kind of accent and
> David Thewlis has already been cast, but I could easily imagine him 
as
> Lupin. If Lupin was Welsh, that is.

ME:
Rhys Ifans looks more suited for Crouch, Jr. to me; tall, blond, 
30ish.  That would fit.
> 
> John Hannah: Four Weddings And A Funeral, Sliding Doors, The Mummy
> Returns, title character of the TV series McCallum. Why oh why isn't
> anybody in Potterverse (apart from McGonagall) portrayed as 
Scottish? 
> 
<snipped>
ME:
The name sounds familiar but I can link a face to it.

I'd like to see Michael Gough as Moody (see the Notary in "Sleepy 
Hollow" and you'll know what I mean), Ian Holm as Mundungus Fletcher, 
Phyllida Law as Mrs. Figg, and Jeremy Irons (with mucho makeup) as 
Lord Voldy.  Maybe I will get my wishes since it looks like Emma 
Thompson is Trelawney.  Now, if Tracey Ullman comes in as Rita 
Skeeter....

Marci




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 17:14:52 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:14:52 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <bltdcf+kduu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blusac+rb00@eGroups.com>

"Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:
> Ok. Delurking again. See what you created in me Torill. ;o)
> 
> Have to defend myself here...
> I guess what I really was trying to say is, ok the man rode a 
flying 
> motorbike - which is part of what first attracted me to him when I 
> read book one - I thought cool Young Sirius Black has a flying 
> motorbike that beats a broom anyday. Anyway, he was also a 
marauder, 
> a prankster, nice looking according to JK, a good guy but from a 
> prejudiced pureblood family, probably had a chip on his shoulder, 
> picked on those who everyone thought was weird - Snape - just to 
look 
> cool, which apparently they were so that proves he was a little 
James 
> Deanish - a Rebel. Yes, I could see a tatoo on his arm or maybe his 
> shoulders or whatever. And maybe I could see him sitting in prison 
> etching memories on himself, but small little pictures. However, I 
> cannot imagine in my wildest dreams - of which I would confess 
Sirius 
> has entered many times, tatoos like I have seen on Gary Oldman in 
the 
> photos released from the filming. Incidently, I read where Gary 
said 
> it was Mr. Cuaron's idea. Well, why do the look like cattle brands 
if 
> he is supposed to look like a rebel which was the look I believe 
> Alfonso was going for? Even prisoners and pirates didn't have brand 
> looking tatoos. I mean the ones in the photos look like the Azkaban 
> guards - not the dementor ones - branded him so folks would know 
> where he had been. Much like the jailbird looking robes he is 
wearing 
> in a photo. I guess I would have accepted them if they were more 
like 
> a black dog, or 'Gryffindors Rock' or 'Marauders forever'. Even 
> something like 'I'm Serious kiss me' - sorry bad pun. I guess I was 
> just shocked when I saw the photo because I had high hopes Gary 
would 
> have long stringy hair, look haunted and thin. And then I saw the 
> brands on his chest and both my oldest son and I said at the same 
> time 'Tatoos?'. Oh well, at least the man can act so I have high 
> hopes he will do a decent Sirius. I can over look the adornments on 
a 
> character in a movie as long as they can act. 
<snip>
> Theresa

I agree about the tattoos.  My beef lies with his hair.  It should be 
a lot longer.  He's been in prison for 12 years.  Where's stringy?  
Where are the dreads?  It's too short.  His clothes are dirty and 
torn, but his hair is nicely cut and conditioned.  LOL  He doesn't 
look scary, menacing.  Perhaps he broke into someone's house and 
washed and cut his hair??

Marci (who would have loved Michael Wincott, but thinks Oldman will 
do the role much justice, and hopes he read the book)




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Tue Oct  7 17:51:20 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 17:51:20 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blrvrk+7pob@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bluueo+rct3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> wrote:


> 
> As for Voldemorts age--I don't think it really figures into the
equation much at 
> this point. Is he even at an "age"? We know from canon that he at
Harry's 
> birth had undergone so may transformations in his quest for
immortality that 
> he was unable to die. When he rises out of the cauldron at the end
of GoF, 
> he does have a mortal body, true, but it's still not a body with a
chronological 
> age per se; it's still not the body he was born with. (Just my two
knuts...)
> 
> Sophia

Good point Sophia! This ought to show on the screen - he shouldn't
look like an ordinary man at all. The special effects crew will get
another job to do here.

Torill




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Tue Oct  7 18:02:25 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:02:25 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <bluqsh+tjna@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bluv3h+e4jq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> "alshainofthenorth" <alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
 
> > John Hannah: Four Weddings And A Funeral, Sliding Doors, The Mummy
> > Returns, title character of the TV series McCallum. Why oh why 
isn't
> > anybody in Potterverse (apart from McGonagall) portrayed as 
> Scottish? 
> > 
> <snipped>
> ME:
> The name sounds familiar but I can link a face to it.
> 

He played Evie's brother in "The Mummy" and "The Mummy Returns". I am 
not sure about his part in 4 Weddings and a funeral, but I think he 
was the boyfriend of the gay man, who died. But I might be mistaken 
in this case.

Hickengruendler 




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Tue Oct  7 18:10:16 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:10:16 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <blusac+rb00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bluvi8+msr7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:
> > Ok. Delurking again. See what you created in me Torill. ;o)

Any day.....:)


 Well, why do the look like cattle brands 
> if 
> > he is supposed to look like a rebel which was the look I believe 
> > Alfonso was going for? Even prisoners and pirates didn't have brand 
> > looking tatoos. I mean the ones in the photos look like the Azkaban 
> > guards - not the dementor ones - branded him so folks would know 
> > where he had been. 

I  hadn't thought of that, but why not?? That's really not such a bad
idea. What you need to get through is that Azkaban is a terrible
place, without actually showing the place, and without anybody SAYING
it. It must be shown visually. If you get the association of branding,
ok with me.


'I'm Serious kiss me' - sorry bad pun.  

Hehe - he could have had one of those.....But, I think he could have
those big ones we see also. They give me the association of something
tribal or magic, not the muggle kind of sailor's or biker's tattoos.
That's fine, I think. 



> 
> I agree about the tattoos.  My beef lies with his hair.  It should be 
> a lot longer.  He's been in prison for 12 years.  Where's stringy?  
> Where are the dreads?  It's too short.  His clothes are dirty and 
> torn, but his hair is nicely cut and conditioned.  LOL  He doesn't 
> look scary, menacing.  Perhaps he broke into someone's house and 
> washed and cut his hair??
> 
> Marci (who would have loved Michael Wincott, but thinks Oldman will 
> do the role much justice, and hopes he read the book)


I agree about the hair, I imagined this huge mat of tangled hair
reaching down to his waist. I don't think it looks nicely cut and
conditioned, but not quite straight out of Azkaban either. Anyway I
agree with what both of you say, if the acting is great you won't mind
the details of the costumes so much. Lockhart's 1800-something
costumes in Cos didn't look anything AT ALL the way I had pictured him
 - neither did Branagh's appearance - but his acting was so brilliant
that now he is the definite Lockhart to me. Maybe Oldman will do the
same, tattoos and hair and all...

Torill




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Tue Oct  7 18:15:07 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:15:07 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <bluv3h+e4jq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bluvrb+ng7p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler"
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> > "alshainofthenorth" <alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
>  
> > > John Hannah: Four Weddings And A Funeral, Sliding Doors, The Mummy
> > > Returns, title character of the TV series McCallum. Why oh why 
> isn't
> > > anybody in Potterverse (apart from McGonagall) portrayed as 
> > Scottish? 
> > > 
> > <snipped>
> > ME:
> > The name sounds familiar but I can link a face to it.
> > 
> 
> He played Evie's brother in "The Mummy" and "The Mummy Returns". I am 
> not sure about his part in 4 Weddings and a funeral, but I think he 
> was the boyfriend of the gay man, who died. But I might be mistaken 
> in this case.
> 
> Hickengruendler

No you're right, he was. I wish he could have a part in the Potter
films too, because he is such a great actor, but don't know which one.
Maybe he can do other accents than Scottish???? For the rest of this
casting discussion I don't know almost any of the names you mention,
so I can't be a part of that. Maybe because I'm neither British nor
American. Oh well, have fun. And did I mention it: Thompson + Trelawny
= GREAT!!!

Torill

toirll




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct  7 18:24:45 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:24:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
References: <bluv3h+e4jq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c38d00$533981e0$6e90aec7@rick>


> He played Evie's brother in "The Mummy" and "The Mummy Returns". I am 
> not sure about his part in 4 Weddings and a funeral, but I think he 
> was the boyfriend of the gay man, who died. But I might be mistaken 
> in this case.
> 
> Hickengruendler 
> 
> 

Nope... You're not mistaken.

Iggy






From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  7 20:25:32 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:25:32 -0000
Subject: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blplj4+ob34@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blv7fs+ui80@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <deemarie1a at y...> wrote:

> He was a 
> protege of Lord Lawrence Olivier (oh, if only he was still alive, he 
> would be the perfect LV).

If we are casting dead people already, I think Klaus Kinski would be 
the most perfect Voldemort ever. :-)

Irene




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct  7 20:29:31 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
References: <blv7fs+ui80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005201c38d11$b7d73280$32e579a5@rick>



> > He was a
> > protege of Lord Lawrence Olivier (oh, if only he was still alive, he
> > would be the perfect LV).
>
> If we are casting dead people already, I think Klaus Kinski would be
> the most perfect Voldemort ever. :-)
>
> Irene
>

Yeah... Like I said as well, if he were still alive, Marty Feldman would
make the world's best Moody.  (Heck... he already had the eyes for it.
*grin*  Just watch 'Young Frankenstein' sometime... )

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster






From jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 21:47:45 2003
From: jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk (jotwo2003)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 21:47:45 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
Message-ID: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>

This isn't my theory, but I've picked it up and I'm running with it.

It's about the flashback in the PS/SS film.  I saw the film before 
entering fandom so I didn't know people had argued that there's 
something odd about it, and it's not telling us the whole story.  
Plus it's over too quickly to register everything on first viewing.  

However, I later read discussions that pointed out that it's strange 
that you only see the arm of the person standing in front of 
Geraldine Somerville as Lily, holding baby Harry.  We just assume 
it's James from Robbie Coltrane's voiceover.  (There is also a rumour 
that JKR requested that James' face should not be shown, but I don't 
know the source of this.)

Another rumour is that the hand of the unseen person belongs to Alan 
Rickman.  Fans have said it looks like his hand by comparing it with 
the way he pulls his hand out of his robe in the first potions class 
scene.  I'm sad enough to compare these 2 scenes but to be honest 
it's not conclusive either way, at least not to me.

I noticed in re-watching the flashback something that may be 
significant about the wand used in this scene.  We see it opening the 
door, killing Lily and pointing at baby Harry.  The wand is black.  
Could it be - Snape's wand?  Snape's wand is jet black on the HP 
collector cards.  Alan Rickman uses a black wand in the duelling club 
scene in the COS film.

I'm not suggesting for one moment that Snape murdered Lily.  It's 
been stated so many times in canon that Voldemort killed Harry's 
parents and they come out of Voldemort's wand in GOF.  Also, 
archetypally, the villain has to be the killer of the hero's 
parents.  

However, if it is Snape's wand then it could be evidence that Alan 
Rickman was involved in the filming of this scene.  When filmmakers 
don't want to give away plot twists they often shoot alternative 
scenes including the same actors.  (For instance, in a British soap, 
Eastenders, to preserve suspense about a tug of love storyline and a 
character's disappearance they shot a variety of endings.  In one, 
the father, Phil Mitchell, pushed his ex-girlfriend off a cliff; in 
another she slipped and died in an accident; and in the version 
actually used he snatched the baby and left her upset but alive.)

Therefore it would not be unique if the HP production team shot 
different versions of the flashback.  Alan Rickman could have been 
playing the character standing in front of Lily (presumably his usual 
role as Snape).  He could also have doubled up as the character 
AK'ing Lily (Voldemort).

Someone with the user name of Lily Snape also posted on one of the 
Snape yahoo groups that the hand of the cloaked figure pointing the 
wand at Geraldine Somerville seemed to have a black sleeve, with 
white at the cuff, which would fit Snape's costume.

The argument that I have seen that Alan Rickman couldn't be in the 
flashback because, if this were leaked, it would ruin the plot 
doesn't hold up if the filmmakers shot multiple scenes. 

There is further evidence that all in not as it seems in the 
credits.  The cast is credited in order of appearance.  However, the 
actor playing James Potter, Adrian Rawlins, is not credited next to 
Geraldine Somerville.  He is credited much further down the cast 
list, above Firenze.  This implies that he did not act with her in 
the flashback and that he only appeared in the Mirror of Erised 
scene.  Voldemort is the last character in the credits, and is played 
by Ian Hart.  This shows that this only refers to the climax when 
Voldemort was revealed on the back of Quirrell's head.  There is 
another character included in the cast called He Who Must Not Be 
Named.  This character was played by Richard Bremmer and is credited 
directly below Geraldine Somerville.  This makes it seem that this 
character is the robed figure walking up to the house and who kills 
Lily.  However, I think the film makers are hiding something because 
on the imdb site it states that Richard Bremmer appeared as voice 
only in PS/SS.  We only heard the voice of Voldemort during Harry's 
confrontation with Quirrell, not in the flashback.

The black wand, the black sleeve with white edging, the 
inconsistencies in the credits, all these make me think that the 
filmmakers are hiding something.  Either they are slipping in clues 
provided by JKR, who is rumoured to have written the flashback 
herself, or they did not expect that the film would be analysed in 
such detail and have let slip a plot twist.

I am now 99% sure that Alan Rickman is in the flashback, in his 
normal role as Snape, trying to protect Lily, and that fans have 
guessed correctly that Snape was there on the night the Potters were 
killed.

I think I'm right.  Of course, we'll only know for sure when book 7 
is published.  In the meantime, does anyone have any comments?

JoTwo    





From siskiou at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  7 22:59:52 2003
From: siskiou at earthlink.net (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:59:52 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Voldy in GoF
In-Reply-To: <blv7fs+ui80@eGroups.com>
References: <blv7fs+ui80@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <38340207764.20031007155952@earthlink.net>



Hi,

Tuesday, October 07, 2003, 1:25:32 PM, irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com wrote:

> If we are casting dead people already, I think Klaus Kinski would be 
> the most perfect Voldemort ever. :-)

Ah, yes! I hadn't thought of him for years, but remember him
well from growing up in Germany, and seeing him in lots of
movies.

He'd be a great choice!

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at earthlink.net

Visit our pet rabbits: http://home.earthlink.net/~siskiou/





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Oct  8 01:26:39 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:26:39 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
References: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c38d3b$39981180$959ccdd1@RVotaw>

JoTwo wrote:

> I think I'm right.  Of course, we'll only know for sure when book 7 
> is published.  In the meantime, does anyone have any comments?

Good grief!  Let me say, after watching the movie at least 45 times, and currently feeling very stupid, because I never noticed that hand.  Well, I take that back. I've noticed it, I just thought it belonged to Voldemort. Now I see that can't be, as it's the left hand and turning away from Lily.  Or rather it couldn't be Voldemort unless he'd gotten past James unnoticed and then was turning to kill him before turning back to Lily and Harry.  However, I don't see how Voldemort would have made it past James without being seen and just be turning back to fight him.  Unless he had stupefied him or something first and he recovered quicker than he expected.  Which doesn't seem likely.  

So if the person isn't Voldemort, I don't think it could be James.  For one thing the person is definitely wearing robes, and I don't see why James would be in robes while Lily's not.  Snape is a possibility, though.  A definite possibility.  

Richelle


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From scully931 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 03:13:34 2003
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 03:13:34 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <blvvcu+gh6c@eGroups.com>

Ooo... what a great theory! Even if it's not correct, I still love 
it! I can't believe I never noticed the hand couldn't belong to 
Voldemort. You know, I come to think of it, I can't believe I never 
thought there could have been more to the night they were killed 
than what we know! Oh, I hope it's true, and not just some stupid 
editing thing. 

As for the credits, are we certain all the people listed as 
Voldemort, He Who Must Not Be Named, etc. are real people? Not being 
British, I'm not especially familar with the names. I do know that 
director's/screenwriters, etc. have a certain name they use when 
wanting to remain anonymous. (Can't think of the name though) Is it 
possible, these some name listed isn't an actual person? Tried as I 
might, I couldn't make any of the names switch around as in "I am 
Lord Voldemort"/Tom Riddle.

Deborah

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jotwo2003" <jsummerill at s...> 
wrote:
> This isn't my theory, but I've picked it up and I'm running with 
it.
> 
> It's about the flashback in the PS/SS film.  I saw the film before 
> entering fandom so I didn't know people had argued that there's 
> something odd about it, and it's not telling us the whole story.  
> Plus it's over too quickly to register everything on first 
viewing.  
> 
> However, I later read discussions that pointed out that it's 
strange 
> that you only see the arm of the person standing in front of 
> Geraldine Somerville as Lily, holding baby Harry.  We just assume 
> it's James from Robbie Coltrane's voiceover.  (There is also a 
rumour 
> that JKR requested that James' face should not be shown, but I 
don't 
> know the source of this.)
> 
> Another rumour is that the hand of the unseen person belongs to 
Alan 
> Rickman.  Fans have said it looks like his hand by comparing it 
with 
> the way he pulls his hand out of his robe in the first potions 
class 
> scene.  I'm sad enough to compare these 2 scenes but to be honest 
> it's not conclusive either way, at least not to me.
> 
> I noticed in re-watching the flashback something that may be 
> significant about the wand used in this scene.  We see it opening 
the 
> door, killing Lily and pointing at baby Harry.  The wand is 
black.  
> Could it be - Snape's wand?  Snape's wand is jet black on the HP 
> collector cards.  Alan Rickman uses a black wand in the duelling 
club 
> scene in the COS film.
> 
> I'm not suggesting for one moment that Snape murdered Lily.  It's 
> been stated so many times in canon that Voldemort killed Harry's 
> parents and they come out of Voldemort's wand in GOF.  Also, 
> archetypally, the villain has to be the killer of the hero's 
> parents.  
> 
> However, if it is Snape's wand then it could be evidence that Alan 
> Rickman was involved in the filming of this scene.  When 
filmmakers 
> don't want to give away plot twists they often shoot alternative 
> scenes including the same actors.  (For instance, in a British 
soap, 
> Eastenders, to preserve suspense about a tug of love storyline and 
a 
> character's disappearance they shot a variety of endings.  In one, 
> the father, Phil Mitchell, pushed his ex-girlfriend off a cliff; 
in 
> another she slipped and died in an accident; and in the version 
> actually used he snatched the baby and left her upset but alive.)
> 
> Therefore it would not be unique if the HP production team shot 
> different versions of the flashback.  Alan Rickman could have been 
> playing the character standing in front of Lily (presumably his 
usual 
> role as Snape).  He could also have doubled up as the character 
> AK'ing Lily (Voldemort).
> 
> Someone with the user name of Lily Snape also posted on one of the 
> Snape yahoo groups that the hand of the cloaked figure pointing 
the 
> wand at Geraldine Somerville seemed to have a black sleeve, with 
> white at the cuff, which would fit Snape's costume.
> 
> The argument that I have seen that Alan Rickman couldn't be in the 
> flashback because, if this were leaked, it would ruin the plot 
> doesn't hold up if the filmmakers shot multiple scenes. 
> 
> There is further evidence that all in not as it seems in the 
> credits.  The cast is credited in order of appearance.  However, 
the 
> actor playing James Potter, Adrian Rawlins, is not credited next 
to 
> Geraldine Somerville.  He is credited much further down the cast 
> list, above Firenze.  This implies that he did not act with her in 
> the flashback and that he only appeared in the Mirror of Erised 
> scene.  Voldemort is the last character in the credits, and is 
played 
> by Ian Hart.  This shows that this only refers to the climax when 
> Voldemort was revealed on the back of Quirrell's head.  There is 
> another character included in the cast called He Who Must Not Be 
> Named.  This character was played by Richard Bremmer and is 
credited 
> directly below Geraldine Somerville.  This makes it seem that this 
> character is the robed figure walking up to the house and who 
kills 
> Lily.  However, I think the film makers are hiding something 
because 
> on the imdb site it states that Richard Bremmer appeared as voice 
> only in PS/SS.  We only heard the voice of Voldemort during 
Harry's 
> confrontation with Quirrell, not in the flashback.
> 
> The black wand, the black sleeve with white edging, the 
> inconsistencies in the credits, all these make me think that the 
> filmmakers are hiding something.  Either they are slipping in 
clues 
> provided by JKR, who is rumoured to have written the flashback 
> herself, or they did not expect that the film would be analysed in 
> such detail and have let slip a plot twist.
> 
> I am now 99% sure that Alan Rickman is in the flashback, in his 
> normal role as Snape, trying to protect Lily, and that fans have 
> guessed correctly that Snape was there on the night the Potters 
were 
> killed.
> 
> I think I'm right.  Of course, we'll only know for sure when book 
7 
> is published.  In the meantime, does anyone have any comments?
> 
> JoTwo




From swaine.t at xtra.co.nz  Wed Oct  8 03:37:29 2003
From: swaine.t at xtra.co.nz (Tanya Swaine)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:37:29 +1300
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <00a901c38d3b$39981180$959ccdd1@RVotaw>
References: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20031008163629.00a4d360@pop3.xtra.co.nz>

Great minds...................  Lol.  I picked that up about the robes too, 
see previous post.

Tanya


At 20:26 7/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>So if the person isn't Voldemort, I don't think it could be James.  For 
>one thing the person is definitely wearing robes, and I don't see why 
>James would be in robes while Lily's not.  Snape is a possibility, 
>though.  A definite possibility.
>
>Richelle




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 10:42:27 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:42:27 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <blusac+rb00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm0pmj+lib4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:

> I agree about the tattoos.  My beef lies with his hair.  It should be 
> a lot longer.  He's been in prison for 12 years.  Where's stringy?  
> Where are the dreads?  It's too short.  His clothes are dirty and 
> torn, but his hair is nicely cut and conditioned.  LOL  He doesn't 
> look scary, menacing.  Perhaps he broke into someone's house and 
> washed and cut his hair??

Doesn't look washed and ut in the official version.

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2003/08/PoAHiResShriekShack.jpg

I'd have liked the hair longer too, but I'm not going to worry
overmuch about it. The waist-length tangle Sirius is shown wearing in
PoA looks better (not better, obviously, but you know what I mean)
seen with the mental eye than on screen, where it might just look
corny. When filming FotR the make-up team had some difficulty with
Gandalf's beard and eyebrows, he's described in the books as having
eyebrows so bushy they peek out from under the rim of his hat. It
looked stupid on screen, so they were downsized.

Is there an expert on hair growth in the audience, BTW? I recall
having read somewhere that hair doesn't grow as fast on males as on
females and that it won't grow as long.

Alshain







From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct  8 13:34:49 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 08:34:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
References: <bm0pmj+lib4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006401c38da2$1fb0ba80$7b95aec7@rick>


 From: "alshain

> I'd have liked the hair longer too, but I'm not going to worry
> overmuch about it. The waist-length tangle Sirius is shown wearing in
> PoA looks better (not better, obviously, but you know what I mean)
> seen with the mental eye than on screen, where it might just look
> corny.

That's odd, since I never thought of him as having waist-length hair.  I
figgured that his hair would be a lot like that of el Mariachi in
"Desperado."  (el Mariachi being played by Antonio Banderas in the second
movie, "Desperado," and third one "Once Upon a Time in Mexico.")  His hair
was long, just past his shoulders, and always falling over his face unless
he tied it back.

(This similarity with how Snapes appears in the movies is, perhaps, the main
reason I still keep seeing Alan Rickman as the base for Sirius in my mind's
eye... Looking a little different than Snapes, but fairly similar im some of
his mannerisms and hairstyle while in PoA...)

>
> Is there an expert on hair growth in the audience, BTW? I recall
> having read somewhere that hair doesn't grow as fast on males as on
> females and that it won't grow as long.
>
> Alshain

Well, lemme see...

I shave my head, and would have to do so every day to avoid a full cranial
"five o'clock shadow."  The hair on my scalp grows at about the same speed
as the hair on my face...  And my hair actually (if I stopped shaving my
head) would probably return to my former length in about a month... and that
was a fairly standard "banker's length" haircut.  (A habit from my 4 years
as a bank teller...)  This pretty much boils down to my hair growing faster
than my wife's.  (And my 2 1/2 year old daughter has never had a pair of
scissors touch her hair yet, and she still has fairly short hair.)

My wife's ex husband has hair almost down to his waist, as does an old
housemate of mine, and they've had their hair like that for as long as I've
known them.  When you consider that both of them are 6'3" and long in the
torso, this means about halfway down the glutes on a female with hair the
same length.  I've only known one female with hair that long...

There's also the fact that, if you shave the hair in an area repeatedly, it
will grow back thicker and faster.  (Which, for example, is why the hair on
a woman's legs who doesn't shave her legs is finer and softer than that of a
woman that does.)  The hair will grow back stronger, faster, and thicker so
as to better protect that area from irritation and cold.


Hope that helps.

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster

"BUCKLE UP!  (It makes it harder for the aliens to suck you out of your
car.)"

--- ABS FIRECAT






From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Oct  8 14:54:14 2003
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:54:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <006401c38da2$1fb0ba80$7b95aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <4896E808-F99F-11D7-A21B-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>

Iggy:
> There's also the fact that, if you shave the hair in an area 
> repeatedly, it
> will grow back thicker and faster.  (Which, for example, is why the 
> hair on
> a woman's legs who doesn't shave her legs is finer and softer than 
> that of a
> woman that does.)  The hair will grow back stronger, faster, and 
> thicker so
> as to better protect that area from irritation and cold.
>

Actually, that's an old wives' tale.  Rate and texture of hair growth 
is dependent only upon things like nutrition, genes, and certain 
hormones. (This makes sense when you think about it, because why should 
shaving off dead hair cells effect the living hair follicles underneath 
the skin?)

The illusion that shaving makes hair grow back thicker/faster is caused 
by the fact that A) most women start shaving before puberty is finished 
completely, and puberty *does* cause hair to grow darker/thicker (note, 
although, that you never get *new* hair follicles - the ones you 
already have simply start growing darker/longer/thicker hair), so when 
they compare their hair now to their pre-shaving/puberty hair, it seems 
darker and thicker ... and B) the hair on a leg that has never been 
shaved *is* finer/softer, because it has been "weathered" properly 
(notice how the hair around your sockline is very fine, from rubbing 
against your sock), whereas shaved hair is generally shorter, but 
thicker and with a sharp, blunt end.

Basically, no one's hair grows at the *exact* same rate as anyone 
else's, but for normal, healthy human beings, the rate is pretty close 
to uniform for everyone.  Most appreciable differences in the rate of 
hair "growth" between two people is actually a function of their genes 
(someone with genes for strong, thick strands vs. someone with thin, 
fine strands) and the length their hair already is, because it's 
actually due to how much hair *breaks* off in the course of a day.  For 
example, someone with thin, long hair is going to break off tons of 
strands every time they comb their hair, whereas someone with hair 
that's only a centimeter long probably isn't going to break any off at 
all.

Laura (who never knew she knew this much about hair.)




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 16:08:38 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:08:38 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <blusac+rb00@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm1cq6+emdd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
  My beef lies with his hair.  It should be 
> a lot longer.  He's been in prison for 12 years.  Where's stringy?  
> Where are the dreads?  It's too short.  His clothes are dirty and 
> torn, but his hair is nicely cut and conditioned.  LOL  He doesn't 
> look scary, menacing.  Perhaps he broke into someone's house and 
> washed and cut his hair??
> 
> Marci (who would have loved Michael Wincott, but thinks Oldman will 
> do the role much justice, and hopes he read the book)

Didn't every time Aunt Petunia got Harry's hair cut, it would 
magically grow back over night??  Who says Wizard's hair grows the 
same as Muggle's hair??  Just my two knuts worth.

Tim




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  8 16:22:29 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:22:29 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <006401c38da2$1fb0ba80$7b95aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <bm1dk5+p8cm@eGroups.com>

"Iggy McSnurd" <coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> 
>  From: "alshain
> 
> > I'd have liked the hair longer too, but I'm not going to worry
> > overmuch about it. The waist-length tangle Sirius is shown 
wearing in
> > PoA looks better (not better, obviously, but you know what I mean)
> > seen with the mental eye than on screen, where it might just look
> > corny.
> 
> That's odd, since I never thought of him as having waist-length 
hair.  I
> figgured that his hair would be a lot like that of el Mariachi in
> "Desperado."  (el Mariachi being played by Antonio Banderas in the 
second
> movie, "Desperado," and third one "Once Upon a Time in Mexico.")  
His hair
> was long, just past his shoulders, and always falling over his face 
unless
> he tied it back.
<snippity snip snip> 

Marci:

I just read POA again, and Sirius' hair is described as elbow length.

Iggy:

> Well, lemme see...
<hair cut snippity snip snip> 
There's also the fact that, if you shave the hair in an area 
repeatedly, it will grow back thicker and faster.  (Which, for 
example, is why the hair on a woman's legs who doesn't shave her legs 
is finer and softer than that of a woman that does.)  The hair will 
grow back stronger, faster, and thicker so as to better protect that 
area from irritation and cold.
> > 
> Hope that helps.

Marci:

I've always been under the impression that males have faster growing 
hair.  I agree with the shaving hair factor, too, so I don't shave my 
legs as much as I used to.  This has nothing to do with Harry 
Potter.  Shutting up now.

LOL




From lhuntley at fandm.edu  Wed Oct  8 16:25:38 2003
From: lhuntley at fandm.edu (Laura Ingalls Huntley)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:25:38 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <bm1cq6+emdd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0D5DEB53-F9AC-11D7-A21B-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>

Tim:
> Didn't every time Aunt Petunia got Harry's hair cut, it would
> magically grow back over night??  Who says Wizard's hair grows the
> same as Muggle's hair??  Just my two knuts worth.

That actually only happened once, after Harry was given a haircut so 
horrendous that he was terrified of going to school and getting made 
fun of.  Because of this, he accidentally did wandless magic to make it 
grow back overnight.

Otherwise, the books just state that Harry's hair is always messy, no 
matter how often it's cut.

Laura (who can't get that "Hair" song that her mom always used to sing 
out of her head.)




From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 18:48:29 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 18:48:29 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <0D5DEB53-F9AC-11D7-A21B-000A95E29F3E@fandm.edu>
Message-ID: <bm1m5t+oidn@eGroups.com>

*looks up from the paperback copy of Night Watch for a few minutes*

I'm going to be a bad girl and veer slightly off topic on the subject
of hair (what can I say, I love researching subjects that are
completely pointless.) One of the chief chemicals in the human body
that influences hair growth is oestrogene, that's the reason women's
hair grows a bit faster, while high testosterone levels causes male
pattern baldness. Average growth rate is about 0,44 mm a day (that's
half an inch a month for you obstinate Anglo-Saxons). Third fact is
that an individual hair lives only for so long, between 2 and 8 years
(again, longer for females) before the hair enters a resting stage and
eventually falls out. All the 100-150 000 hairs on your head are in
different stages of development. Finally, once the hair is about a
foot long, the growth rate slows down to about half.

Applying this to Sirius' hair (assuming maximum growth rates and
neglecting things such as poor nutrition) we get a maximum of three
feet. Elbow-length (to my elbows, at least.) Drat, it always
disappoints me when empiric evidence agrees with theory.

Now back to Night Watch and BBC's Dame Kathleen Ferrier evening (love
their netradio)

Alshain

  





From jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 11:17:04 2003
From: jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk (jotwo2003)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:17:04 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <blvvcu+gh6c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm0rng+ablo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
wrote:
> > As for the credits, are we certain all the people listed as 
> Voldemort, He Who Must Not Be Named, etc. are real people? Not 
being 
> British, I'm not especially familar with the names. I do know that 
> director's/screenwriters, etc. have a certain name they use when 
> wanting to remain anonymous. (Can't think of the name though) Is it 
> possible, these some name listed isn't an actual person? Tried as I 
> might, I couldn't make any of the names switch around as in "I am 
> Lord Voldemort"/Tom Riddle.
 
I'd never heard of Richard Bremmer either, but he must exist.  The 
imdb gives his date and place of birth and a filmography.

JoTwo





From two_flower2 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  9 16:31:32 2003
From: two_flower2 at yahoo.com (two_flower2)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:31:32 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm42h4+l9od@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jotwo2003" <jsummerill at s...> 
wrote:
> The black wand, the black sleeve with white edging, the 
> inconsistencies in the credits, all these make me think that the 
> filmmakers are hiding something.  Either they are slipping in clues 
> provided by JKR, who is rumoured to have written the flashback 
> herself, or they did not expect that the film would be analysed in 
> such detail and have let slip a plot twist.
> 
> I am now 99% sure that Alan Rickman is in the flashback, in his 
> normal role as Snape, trying to protect Lily, and that fans have 
> guessed correctly that Snape was there on the night the Potters 
were 
> killed.
> 


*delurks*

So, watching dementor scenes in PoA movie and listening to Harry's 
parents' voices, I'll just wait for Rickman's voice.  Who knows, may 
be it's Snape saying "Stand aside, silly girl" in that scene, but 
Harry mistakes him for James (or Voldemort).

Twoflower2





From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 19:10:10 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:10:10 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
Message-ID: <bm706i+gp23@eGroups.com>

I posted this in another group.  Enjoy.

blackgold101 at yahoo.com wrote:

Call me crazy, but how's this for a special appearance...
Elizabeth Taylor.  She is a brit after all.

Marci (who just came up with that out of nowhere)  LOL

Ok, really, I've got no clue when it comes to Umbridge.




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Fri Oct 10 19:19:45 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 19:19:45 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bm706i+gp23@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm70oh+q35p@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> I posted this in another group.  Enjoy.
> 
> blackgold101 at y... wrote:
> 
> Call me crazy, but how's this for a special appearance...
> Elizabeth Taylor.  She is a brit after all.
> 
> Marci (who just came up with that out of nowhere)  LOL
> 
> Ok, really, I've got no clue when it comes to Umbridge.

My favorite would be Judi Dench. She looks a bit like Umbridge (of 
course Judi Dench isn't ugly like Umbridge. I meant that both 
Umbridge and Dench aren't tall and such things)and she is one of 
those actresses, who can play every part.

And I just want to see her intercating with Maggie Smith and Emma 
Thompson. This should be fun. 

Hickengruendler




From anneu53714 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 02:38:10 2003
From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 02:38:10 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <002b01c38ce1$23db2300$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>
Message-ID: <bm7qei+nupd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 

> I would love to see Colmn Meany play Bagman.  He has that "once 
played but let his phisque go" look to me.  He plaid the emgenier on 
The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 if you are unfamiliar with him 
(he has been in tons of movies as well).
> 
> Heather
> 
>  

I really must read this list more often -- what a brilliant idea, 
COLM MEANY!! He's the right age, the right size (IMO), build, 
complexion (blondish and ruddy), and his character Miles O'Brien on 
Star Trek (mostly Deep Space 9) had some edge to him. Great choice.

Anne U
(so what day do we get to see the POA trailer?? PLEASE???!!)





From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 10:03:58 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:03:58 -0000
Subject: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
In-Reply-To: <bm7qei+nupd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm8kie+maq9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" <anneu53714 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 
> 
> > I would love to see Colmn Meany play Bagman.  He has that "once 
> played but let his phisque go" look to me.  He plaid the emgenier 
on 
> The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 if you are unfamiliar with him 
> (he has been in tons of movies as well).
> > 
> > Heather
> > 
> >  
> 
> I really must read this list more often -- what a brilliant idea, 
> COLM MEANY!! He's the right age, the right size (IMO), build, 
> complexion (blondish and ruddy), and his character Miles O'Brien on 
> Star Trek (mostly Deep Space 9) had some edge to him. Great choice.
> 
> Anne U
> (so what day do we get to see the POA trailer?? PLEASE???!!)

Good idea!  Colm Meany is quite an actor.  

As to the trailer, it will be shown with the Looney Tunes movie on 
November 11.  At least that is what I heard.  I have specific orders 
from my kids, to take them to see that movie, just so we can view the 
trailer.

D




From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 11 12:15:46 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:15:46 -0000
Subject: Sirius/Oldman's tatoos & hair
In-Reply-To: <bm0pmj+lib4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bm8s9i+rhuf@eGroups.com>

-
> I'd have liked the hair longer too, but I'm not going to worry
> overmuch about it. The waist-length tangle Sirius is shown wearing in
> PoA looks better (not better, obviously, but you know what I mean)
> seen with the mental eye than on screen, where it might just look
> corny. When filming FotR the make-up team had some difficulty with
> Gandalf's beard and eyebrows, he's described in the books as having
> eyebrows so bushy they peek out from under the rim of his hat. It
> looked stupid on screen, so they were downsized.
> 
> Is there an expert on hair growth in the audience, BTW? I recall
> having read somewhere that hair doesn't grow as fast on males as on
> females and that it won't grow as long.
> 
> Alshain

Seems we have got a lot of expert answers of hair growth by now, that
says Sirius' hair  could definitely have grown to elbow lenght during
his 12 prison years, as Rowling describes it. (But wy do we need to
have things realistically confirmed - that is kind of an odd thing to
demand, since the Potter books are not at all realistic!) 

But I agree with you Alshain, about the difference between telling a
story with images instead of words. That has been my main point always
in defending the films against nitpickers who want the books to be
treated as scripts for the films. Thank you for reminding me. What we
need is an image of someone haunted and wan, forever marked by the
experience of 12 years in the most horrible prison on earth. The
written description of the mat of tangled elbow length hair gives that
idea, but it probably wouldn't carry the same meaning on the screen.
Maybe it would only make him look mad, which is not what we want. And
the main thing will always be the acting, not the looks. 

Torill




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct 10 13:01:46 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:01:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
References: <bm70oh+q35p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003701c38f2e$adcd8220$beec79a5@rick>

> My favorite would be Judi Dench. She looks a bit like Umbridge (of
> course Judi Dench isn't ugly like Umbridge. I meant that both
> Umbridge and Dench aren't tall and such things)and she is one of
> those actresses, who can play every part.
>
> And I just want to see her intercating with Maggie Smith and Emma
> Thompson. This should be fun.
>
> Hickengruendler
>

Actually, seeing her play "M" in the past 4 Bond films, I can easily see
this.  She has the stockiness, she has the bearing, and lord knows she can
look like someone who's dedicated to her job above all else.

While I can't see her as being "syrupy sweet" as much as Umbridge tends to
be (to cover up the darkness that's really inside her...), Dench is a good
enough actress in everything I've seen her in that I think she could pull it
off.

Good idea....


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Sat Oct 11 13:57:39 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:57:39 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <bm42h4+l9od@eGroups.com>
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> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jotwo2003" <jsummerill at s...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I am now 99% sure that Alan Rickman is in the flashback, in his 
> > normal role as Snape, trying to protect Lily, and that fans have 
> > guessed correctly that Snape was there on the night the Potters 
> were 
> > killed.

I have now spent great portions of this afternoon to watch that scene
over and over, to see what on earth you are talking about - I always
assumed it was Voldemort the whole time too. 

I'm still not convinced that it's not though. 

It's not a good argument I think, that whoever it is standing in front
of Lily turns away when she shuts the door in his face. It is clear
this is NOT James, and I don't understand how anyone will think that
it is, even if Coltrane says "your parents fought against him" when
the door is shut. Whoever this is, it is someone Lily fears and
loaths, just look at her face as she shuts the door. No, this is not
James, and it's no reason the actor playing him should be credited
next to the one playing Lily.

It can still be Voldemort, turning around to take on James first. It's
not a question of him coming in unseen or something. The Potters know
he is coming, and James has shouted to Lily to take Harry and run, she
is doing that here. As the sound is still Coltrane's voiceover, we
don't know if anyone here is actually saying something. Voldie could
have only stunned James while going for Lily, but James could have
recovered sooner than Voldie thought he would and shouted to him to
divert his attention from Lily again, and then Voldie is turning
around to finish his job with James, leaving Lily for the moment,
knowing she can't get away from him now, as the secretkeeper has
betrayed her. 

There ARE some strange things with this scene, though. I'll come back
to that shortly. So maybe it's not Voldemort that we see. But whatever
is going on, and possibly it's more going on here than we have heard
of yet, I don't really think it's Snape either. The cloak and the
sleeve and the wand is the same all through the scene. If it IS Snape
that we see all the time, then something very strange is going on
indeed, because it's clear that when the wand is pointed towards Lily
after we have seen the blast on the other side of the door -
presumably what kills James - that is the moment when Lily is killed.
Just watch and hear her agony. 

OR...and here come the strange things. The light on both occasions is
yellow, not green. The flash of the killing curse is described as
green in canon, isn't it? The green light is only seen afterwards,
from the outside, out of TWO windows of the house. 

So what does this mean? Was Lily and James tortured with the crucio
spell before they were killed? Voldie could definitely be cruel enough
to do that. If it wasn't Voldie, but Snape pointing his wand at Lily
in the yellow light, then he is not defending her but torturing her.
Look at her, look at her terrible agony. It is clearly the person with
the wand doing this to her, and it's NOT a friendly person doing it.
If it IS Snape, as I'm not sure it is, then he is a Death Eater for
sure, or he was at this point in time. If he did this to Lily, he must
have been in the house together with Voldemort, assisting him. Then we
can understand why he turns away from Lily in the first scene - Voldie
   might have called him back from her, as he wants to deal with her
by himself, after he has handled James.

Another thing - if James was only tortured in the blast of yellow
light behind the door, he could have gotten back to help Lily
afterwards, coming in through the door and attacking Lily's attacker
from behind, if it was only one intruder in the house. The Crucio
spell is terribly painful, but as it is described in the books, people
recover from it rather quickly. What if there ARE two intruders, and
James is killed by Voldie in one room, while Lily is being tortured by
the assistant in another, disobeying Voldies request to leave her for
him to deal with. We only see the yellow light from the spell that
tortures Lily here, not the green light coming from the wand killing
James, that fits.  And then Harry and Lily are both attakced by the
killing spell (yes,I know, I'm too lazy to look up the spelling of the
correct name just now) afterwards, in two different rooms, Harry by
Voldie and Lily by the assistant, thus explaining the green light seen
through two windows. 

If this assistant of Voldie's is Snape, he really has a lot to regret.
He could have done it out of hatred and jealousy if he wanted Lily
himself, and was tormented that she chose his chief enemy James Potter
instead. Assuming that Snape is not all bad, which I think he is not,
I would think it possible for him to be horrified by himself after
this, when he kind of woke up from his rage and realized fully what he
had done. It could explain his need to redeem himself by working for
Dumbledore, and try to protect Harry, even if he hates him - the
hatred for those that remind you of your wrongdoings may be very
strong indeed! Also he might really need Sirius out of the way,
because if he found out what had REALLY happened.....Maybe this is why
he blew up the house after the act too, to distroy whatever clue he
migth have left behind that could prove he was there. Because why was
the house blown up? The killing spell kills people, it doesn't bring
buildings down. 

Of course, the assistant might not really be Snape. I don't think the
colour of the sleeve is a very strong evidence. Rather weak actually,
couldn't just about anyone in the wizarding world wear a black robe
occationally? I don't think it's definitely a white cuff that we see
there either, it's kind of hard to discern from the film I think.And
going by the credits (- which doesn't necessary say much, there are
mistakes in CoS for instance, crediting people from deleted scenes), I
assume Rickman comes later, too?  The assistant could have been
Pettigrew, of course - or someone else we would never think likely. 

Or we are just analyzing too much into this short snippet of the first
film!! But they were so keen to tell us Rowling had written it, and
that it was something there not in the book, so maybe there IS some
cues here. Personally I find this thing with the coulours of the
lights much more significant than that sleeve. 

Torill 




From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sat Oct 11 14:28:05 2003
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:28:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two actors I'd love to see in the films
References: <bm7qei+nupd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004901c39003$e2aa0240$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>

For those of you who still have no idea who this actor is check out

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000538/

He was also the dad in The Commitments who loved Elvis.

Heather
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anne 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:38 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Two actors I'd love to see in the films


  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 

  > I would love to see Colmn Meany play Bagman.  He has that "once 
  played but let his phisque go" look to me.  He plaid the emgenier on 
  The Next Generation and Deep Space 9 if you are unfamiliar with him 
  (he has been in tons of movies as well).
  > 
  > Heather
  > 
  >  

  I really must read this list more often -- what a brilliant idea, 
  COLM MEANY!! He's the right age, the right size (IMO), build, 
  complexion (blondish and ruddy), and his character Miles O'Brien on 
  Star Trek (mostly Deep Space 9) had some edge to him. Great choice.

  Anne U
  (so what day do we get to see the POA trailer?? PLEASE???!!)



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From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 22:51:27 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:51:27 -0000
Subject: "Show, don't tell" applied to PoA
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A lot of the action in PoA is second-hand before we come to the
Shrieking Shack scenes (Harry listening to Arthur and Molly arguing,
hiding beneath a table to hear the teachers talk about Sirius Black,
remembering his parents' murders when confronted with the Dementors).
I'd be curious to know what the rest of the fandom thinks the director
should do about this -- flashbacks, alternating perspectives, or what? 

I'd love to see an opening scene from Azkaban (midnight, figures in
dark cloaks, zooming in on Sirius during one of his nightmares,
hearing him mutter in his sleep "He's at Hogwarts"), but is it too
much to hope for, seeing that the latest two films have focused on
Harry's perspective? 

Another thing I'm thinking about is the Halloween Feast. Should the
Great Hall scene go on uninterrupted, or should it be interspaced with
tiny snippets like the shadow on a corridor wall, a flicker of
tattered grey robes around a corner? It might heighten the tension
rather neatly, having the audience know that a mad mass-murderer might
be inside the castle while the characters, poor innocent lambs, are
unaware... 

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! AHAHAHAHAA!!!!! BEWARE!!!!!
*looks around quickly*
Ahem.

Alshain




From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 11 23:49:59 2003
From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 16:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "Show, don't tell" applied to PoA
In-Reply-To: <bma1hf+s09o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20031011234959.68432.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>

Sirius Black is NOT a character in the film until the Climax.  It is the thought of Black that drives the story.  Therefore to see Sirius thoughout the film would be the wrong way to progress.  Remember that this story revolves around fear.  Fear is the motivating factor and should be capitalized on.  Remember why Jaws was so effective?  We didn't see the shark until the climax.  Same point applies here.
 
However, your opening Scene is an excellent teaser trailer.

alshainofthenorth <alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
A lot of the action in PoA is second-hand before we come to the
Shrieking Shack scenes (Harry listening to Arthur and Molly arguing,
hiding beneath a table to hear the teachers talk about Sirius Black,
remembering his parents' murders when confronted with the Dementors).
I'd be curious to know what the rest of the fandom thinks the director
should do about this -- flashbacks, alternating perspectives, or what? 

I'd love to see an opening scene from Azkaban (midnight, figures in
dark cloaks, zooming in on Sirius during one of his nightmares,
hearing him mutter in his sleep "He's at Hogwarts"), but is it too
much to hope for, seeing that the latest two films have focused on
Harry's perspective? 

Another thing I'm thinking about is the Halloween Feast. Should the
Great Hall scene go on uninterrupted, or should it be interspaced with
tiny snippets like the shadow on a corridor wall, a flicker of
tattered grey robes around a corner? It might heighten the tension
rather neatly, having the audience know that a mad mass-murderer might
be inside the castle while the characters, poor innocent lambs, are
unaware... 

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! AHAHAHAHAA!!!!! BEWARE!!!!!
*looks around quickly*
Ahem.

Alshain


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From amani at charter.net  Sun Oct 12 02:14:07 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:14:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "Show, don't tell" applied to PoA
References: <bma1hf+s09o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003101c39066$84ce91a0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Alshain:
A lot of the action in PoA is second-hand before we come to the
Shrieking Shack scenes (Harry listening to Arthur and Molly arguing,
hiding beneath a table to hear the teachers talk about Sirius Black,
remembering his parents' murders when confronted with the Dementors).
I'd be curious to know what the rest of the fandom thinks the director
should do about this -- flashbacks, alternating perspectives, or what? 

I'd love to see an opening scene from Azkaban (midnight, figures in
dark cloaks, zooming in on Sirius during one of his nightmares,
hearing him mutter in his sleep "He's at Hogwarts"), but is it too
much to hope for, seeing that the latest two films have focused on
Harry's perspective? 

Taryn:
Probably not too much to hope for. Previous directoral styles in the two first movies shouldn't be too much of a precedent--after all, we have a new director on board! I'd love to see some of the tidbits you've suggested.

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From ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 08:31:50 2003
From: ameliagoldfeesh at yahoo.com (ameliagoldfeesh)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:31:50 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bm70oh+q35p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmb3hm+idei@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
<SNIP>
 My favorite would be Judi Dench. She looks a bit like Umbridge (of 
> course Judi Dench isn't ugly like Umbridge. I meant that both 
> Umbridge and Dench aren't tall and such things)and she is one of 
> those actresses, who can play every part.
> 
> And I just want to see her intercating with Maggie Smith and Emma 
> Thompson. This should be fun. 
> 
> Hickengruendler

A Goldfeesh:
 I must say this would be a very good choice. Plus I'd enjoy seeing 
Dench playing a bad guy role which is something I haven't seen her 
do.

I had thought of her playing Mrs. Figg perhaps before this 
suggestion.  However, I've now thought of someone even better- 
Stephanie Cole.  She's a British actress probably best known (in the 
US at least) as Diana in the "Waiting for God" series.  She also had 
a small part as Pierce Brosnan's aunt in "Grey Owl".

A Goldfeesh
(back to being able to read this list now that the others have 
slowed down enough)




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 14:43:53 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:43:53 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmb3hm+idei@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmbpb9+sdqs@eGroups.com>


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
> <hickengruendler at y...> wrote:

>  My favorite would be Judi Dench. She looks a bit like Umbridge (of 
> course Judi Dench isn't ugly like Umbridge. I meant that both 
> Umbridge and Dench aren't tall and such things)and she is one of 
> those actresses, who can play every part.
> And I just want to see her intercating with Maggie Smith and Emma 
> Thompson. This should be fun. 


Although I know Judi Dench is an outstanding actress and can pull just about 
anything off, I think Umbridge should be playde by someone little younger. I  
picture her in her mid-forties (her hair hasn't gone grey yet), and those plump 
hands seem to me to belong to someone a little younger. However, by that 
reasoning Maggie Smith would be too old as Professor McGonagal and she 
is *excellent* for the part.

If I could pick anybody at all for Umbridge (and not worry about nationality) it 
would absolutely be Kathy Bates!!!!

Sophia




From deemarie1a at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 17:36:34 2003
From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:36:34 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmbpb9+sdqs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmc3f2+m0ib@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> Although I know Judi Dench is an outstanding actress and can pull 
just about 
> anything off, I think Umbridge should be playde by someone little 
younger. I  
> picture her in her mid-forties (her hair hasn't gone grey yet), and 
those plump 
> hands seem to me to belong to someone a little younger. However, by 
that 
> reasoning Maggie Smith would be too old as Professor McGonagal and 
she 
> is *excellent* for the part.
> 
> If I could pick anybody at all for Umbridge (and not worry about 
nationality) it 
> would absolutely be Kathy Bates!!!!
> 
> Sophia

I absolutely agree, Kathy Bates would be the perfect Umbridge.  
Unfortunately, they seem to be looking for British actors only.  That 
being the case, what about Patricia Rutledge, you know, Hyacinth 
Bucket?

D




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 20:46:25 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:46:25 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmc3f2+m0ib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmcej1+njgs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Donna" <deemarie1a at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
> wrote:
> > Although I know Judi Dench is an outstanding actress and can pull 
> just about 
> > anything off, I think Umbridge should be playde by someone little 
> younger. I  
> > picture her in her mid-forties (her hair hasn't gone grey yet), 
and 
> those plump 
> > hands seem to me to belong to someone a little younger. However, 
by 
> that 
> > reasoning Maggie Smith would be too old as Professor McGonagal 
and 
> she 
> > is *excellent* for the part.
> > 
> > If I could pick anybody at all for Umbridge (and not worry about 
> nationality) it 
> > would absolutely be Kathy Bates!!!!
> > 
> > Sophia
> 
> I absolutely agree, Kathy Bates would be the perfect Umbridge.  
> Unfortunately, they seem to be looking for British actors only.  
That 
> being the case, what about Patricia Rutledge, you know, Hyacinth 
> Bucket?
> 
> D

I think Dench is a good choice, and Elizabeth Taylor is an 
interesting one... but my favorite is Angela Lansbury.




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Sun Oct 12 21:23:00 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:23:00 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmcej1+njgs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmcgnk+8ffs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tmarends at y...> wrote:
 
> 
> I think Dench is a good choice, and Elizabeth Taylor is an 
> interesting one... but my favorite is Angela Lansbury.

I have a question. Is Lansbury british? I always saw her as Neville's 
grandmother, but I thought she was American.

Hickengruendler




From nostrebor at runbox.com  Mon Oct 13 05:02:33 2003
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (Jodi Robertson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:02:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
References: <bmc3f2+m0ib@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <052301c39147$3cf5c0b0$21cd1943@user7i1hr4si1m>



> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...>
> wrote:
> > If I could pick anybody at all for Umbridge (and not worry about
> nationality) it
> > would absolutely be Kathy Bates!!!!
> >
> > Sophia
>
> I absolutely agree, Kathy Bates would be the perfect Umbridge.
> Unfortunately, they seem to be looking for British actors only.  That
> being the case, what about Patricia Rutledge, you know, Hyacinth
> Bucket?
>
> D

I love that show Keeping Up Appearances! Next to Are You Being Served? and
Chef! which I haven't seen Chef on PBS lately :-(
I did catch part of a movie with Patricia Rutledge playing something other
than Mrs Bucket, but I can't remember what it was, possibly some drama show.
Jodi
P.S. Every time I hear Kathy Bates' name, I seem to instantly think of that
scene where she whacked that guy's legs - and also playing Adam Sandler's
mother in Waterboy.




From idcre at imap2.asu.edu  Mon Oct 13 05:05:59 2003
From: idcre at imap2.asu.edu (backstagemystic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 05:05:59 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <bm928j+734o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmdbrn+g5ju@eGroups.com>

Torill wrote:
>>...I think, that whoever it is standing in front of Lily turns away 
when she shuts the door in his face. It is clear this is NOT James, 
and I don't understand how anyone will think that it is, even if 
Coltrane says "your parents fought against him" when the door is 
shut. Whoever this is, it is someone Lily fears and
loaths, just look at her face as she shuts the door.<<
-----------

It looks to me that Lily is reacting to someone she sees BEHIND the 
mystery man (as if she saw someone approaching over his 
shoulder)...and that's why mystery man turns around (to see who it 
is).  

BM  




From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:26:41 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:26:41 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
Message-ID: <e.36be3862.2cbb9191@aol.com>

I can see that, but at the same time, she's saying "James", as she's shutting 
the door. Perhaps she's just seen what's happened to James, as she's shutting 
the door to try and save Harry and herself. I'm kind of thinking that Jo 
Rowling is possibly throwing us a red herring to kind of get us off track. But 
then again, I could be wrong!! I like everyone's theories though. They've been 
interesting to read & think about!! The one I'm always curious about though is 
in GOF, when Harry & Voldy are having their wand battle, in the first edition 
of the book, (the one I have!) James comes before Lily to help Harry. But then 
they told everyone it was a mistake & changed it in the later editions to Lily 
coming before James. I always wondered if that was a mistake or not. Maybe 
James wasn't killed before Lily? Maybe Voldy (or Snape?) made him watch while he 
killed Lily? Hmmmmmm.......loads to think about!!


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From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 05:29:27 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:29:27 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
Message-ID: <1cf.126b5dc6.2cbb9237@aol.com>

Oooh! Good choice!! Only I'd always picture her going "It's Bookay!!!" :) 
She's kind of older looking than I think Umbridge would be, but I think she could 
toad-ally (sorry couldn't resist!) could pull it off, because Umbridge has 
the same haughty airs as Hyacinth does.


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From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 13 10:54:46 2003
From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:54:46 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <1cf.126b5dc6.2cbb9237@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bme09m+pnla@eGroups.com>

Apologies, as all this has been discussed before.

Personally, I've always seen Imelda Staunton as Umbridge.
Everyone who isn't convinced that Emma Thompson will be fantastic as 
Trelawny should rent Peter's Friends, which also features Staunton, 
who is about four foot ten, with a wee potato face and frizzy brown 
hair. She was also in Twelfth Night (check 
http://www.finelinefeatures.com/twelfth/index.html  - go to the cast 
and crew site and click on her name for the most Umbridge-y picture I 
have ever seen), and she played Gwyneth Paltrow's nurse in 
Shakespeare in Love.

I agree wholeheartedly with whoever voted for Stephanie Cole as Mrs 
Figg. I have another idea for Judi Dench, though. I'd like to see her 
in a cameo as the square-jawed, monocle-wearing Amelia Bones in OoP.
I wonder if the people who raised concerns about Dench's age for 
Umbridge realise that Patricia Routledge is probably about the same 
age? They stopped making "Keeping Up Appearances" in the early 90s, I 
think, and she was well into her sixties then, surely?
Kirstini  




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 13 14:39:21 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:39:21 -0000
Subject: GoFlength--money talks?
Message-ID: <bmedep+k7gj@eGroups.com>

About a week ago, I read the following on the Askaban Club-site:

"Wizard News has now learned, according to reliable sources 
inside Warner Brothers, that they are looking INTO the possibility 
of making Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire INTO one movie, 
four hours long, with an intermission. " The heading of this little 
blurb clearly states that it is just a rumour, but it got me thinking 
nevertheless.

I am one of the people who signed the online petition and sent 
WB a letter as well, in the hopes of rescuing GoF from being 
butchered into a 2 1/2 h movie. However, in the entertainment 
business "money talks"--and often has the final say-so too. From 
a WB-point of view, there might be many financial drawbacks to 
making a 4 h movie, even if there are Potter fanatics like us out 
there (or here, as the case may be) who would love to see it 
happen. 

Which of the following posts on the balance sheet carries the 
most weight (I don't have any statistics on this, and so not 
consider myself an authority: I'm just guessing here): a)The 
scores and scores of people who really want to see it but are 
content to do it once and are happy that way , b) nutters like us 
who want to watch it ten-odd times while it's still in cinemas. My 
guess would be the first. So, even if WB made a GoF that 
sucked, just about everybody would still go see it that one time, 
and it might not make that big a difference if the obsessives 
didn't return. I'll have to be honest: Even if it's butchered, I'd 
probably still return a few times just to see a particular scene or 
two again--especially since we know the trio is staying on...

As for the four-hour version: Though there will be some truly 
scary stuff in it, it's Harry Potter, and Harry is still synonymous 
with family entertainment. If I were a mother of three, would I 
really take them to a four-hour movie? (I guess if they badgered 
me long enough...) Even if there's an intermission, can you 
imagine the length of the line outside the restrooms? It would 
just be a hassle.

And another thing: The ticket price of a four-hour movie, though 
perhaps a little higher than that of your average feature, would 
still be a lot lower that the combined ticket-prices of the two 
movies that could be shown in the same space of time. Wouldn't 
that be considered a drawback for the cinemas?

Having said that--this isn't just any movie we're talking about, it's 
Harry Potter, and he's hot stuff. Before Harry noone would ever in 
their wildest dreams have imagined children  willingly plowing 
through--zipping through--700 p. tomes en masse, so who's to 
say a four-hour movie can't be incredibly successful and 
lucrative?

Besides, WB would want to make sure the fans come back for 
more, and they have some articstic pride too, right? So maybe 
there's hope even if the above rumour isn't true. Though we know 
Kloves has been asked to produce a script for a 2 1/2h GoF, 
there's still time for WB to change their tack, still time to listen to 
the nutters...

Sophia




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:20:05 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:20:05 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmcgnk+8ffs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmefr5+f7vr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hickengruendler" 
<hickengruendler at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tmarends at y...> wrote:
>  
> > 
> > I think Dench is a good choice, and Elizabeth Taylor is an 
> > interesting one... but my favorite is Angela Lansbury.
> 
> I have a question. Is Lansbury british? I always saw her as 
Neville's 
> grandmother, but I thought she was American.
> 
> Hickengruendler

She is very British.  I suggest you watch Gaslight for a young Angela 
(she plays the young maid)... and The Machurian Canidate for an evil 
one.




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:36:48 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:36:48 -0000
Subject: GoFlength--money talks?
In-Reply-To: <bmedep+k7gj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmegqg+eh6a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> About a week ago, I read the following on the Askaban Club-site:
> 
> "Wizard News has now learned, according to reliable sources 
> inside Warner Brothers, that they are looking INTO the possibility 
> of making Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire INTO one movie, 
> four hours long, with an intermission. " The heading of this little 
> blurb clearly states that it is just a rumour, but it got me 
thinking 
> nevertheless.
> 
> I am one of the people who signed the online petition and sent 
> WB a letter as well, in the hopes of rescuing GoF from being 
> butchered into a 2 1/2 h movie. However, in the entertainment 
> business "money talks"--and often has the final say-so too. From 
> a WB-point of view, there might be many financial drawbacks to 
> making a 4 h movie, even if there are Potter fanatics like us out 
> there (or here, as the case may be) who would love to see it 
> happen. 
> 
> Which of the following posts on the balance sheet carries the 
> most weight (I don't have any statistics on this, and so not 
> consider myself an authority: I'm just guessing here): a)The 
> scores and scores of people who really want to see it but are 
> content to do it once and are happy that way , b) nutters like us 
> who want to watch it ten-odd times while it's still in cinemas. My 
> guess would be the first. So, even if WB made a GoF that 
> sucked, just about everybody would still go see it that one time, 
> and it might not make that big a difference if the obsessives 
> didn't return. I'll have to be honest: Even if it's butchered, I'd 
> probably still return a few times just to see a particular scene or 
> two again--especially since we know the trio is staying on...
> 
> As for the four-hour version: Though there will be some truly 
> scary stuff in it, it's Harry Potter, and Harry is still synonymous 
> with family entertainment. If I were a mother of three, would I 
> really take them to a four-hour movie? (I guess if they badgered 
> me long enough...) Even if there's an intermission, can you 
> imagine the length of the line outside the restrooms? It would 
> just be a hassle.
> 
> And another thing: The ticket price of a four-hour movie, though 
> perhaps a little higher than that of your average feature, would 
> still be a lot lower that the combined ticket-prices of the two 
> movies that could be shown in the same space of time. Wouldn't 
> that be considered a drawback for the cinemas?
> 
> Having said that--this isn't just any movie we're talking about, 
it's 
> Harry Potter, and he's hot stuff. Before Harry noone would ever in 
> their wildest dreams have imagined children  willingly plowing 
> through--zipping through--700 p. tomes en masse, so who's to 
> say a four-hour movie can't be incredibly successful and 
> lucrative?
> 
> Besides, WB would want to make sure the fans come back for 
> more, and they have some articstic pride too, right? So maybe 
> there's hope even if the above rumour isn't true. Though we know 
> Kloves has been asked to produce a script for a 2 1/2h GoF, 
> there's still time for WB to change their tack, still time to 
listen to 
> the nutters...
> 
> Sophia

Why would a 4 hour movie necessarily cost more for the patron than 
the normal film to see?  I don't understand that comment.  A lot of 
the "epic" films of the 50s and 60s ... ie. Ben Hur, The Ten 
Commandments, How the West Was Won, etc... were 3+ hour movies with 
intermissions built in.  The price to see these movies was no more 
than seeing any other at the time.  Lord of the Rings proved, once 
again, that people will sit through a 3+ hour movie if it is 
entertaining.  In fact, Lord of the Rings is taking it a step further 
by show all three films in the series on one date, back to back.  
Patrons of this event will be able to see the entire 10+ hour saga in 
one sitting, with 30 minute intermissions between each film.  I, for 
one, am planning on doing this... and I expect it to be sold out.




From nayan2424 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 13 15:53:53 2003
From: nayan2424 at yahoo.com (nayan2424)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:53:53 -0000
Subject: Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film
In-Reply-To: <blvca1+jcoc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmehqh+ufjh@eGroups.com>



JoTwo wrote:

>In the meantime, does anyone have any comments?


Hey all.  I'm new to the world of HP.  And this is my very first 
post.  Yay me... 

Anyway...

I did notice the hand and all, but since everyone else has pretty 
much said what I thought on the matter I don't have much to add right 
now.  But there was another thing I noticed, at the end of the 
flashback scene, when baby Harry has the wand pointed at him... 
What I saw, was baby Harry staring down the person on the other end 
of 
the wand.  Now I know a lot of emphasis has been put on Harry's eyes, 
so it's just another thing that made me wonder. Anyone else?

Nayan







From CLShannon at aol.com  Mon Oct 13 18:28:44 2003
From: CLShannon at aol.com (CLShannon at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:28:44 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
Message-ID: <1d3.127cb743.2cbc48dc@aol.com>


In a message dated 10/13/03 3:55:58 AM, kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk writes:

<< Personally, I've always seen Imelda Staunton as Umbridge.

Everyone who isn't convinced that Emma Thompson will be fantastic as 

Trelawny should rent Peter's Friends, which also features Staunton, 

who is about four foot ten, with a wee potato face and frizzy brown 

hair. She was also in Twelfth Night (check 

http://www.finelinefeatures.com/twelfth/index.html  - go to the cast 

and crew site and click on her name for the most Umbridge-y picture I 

have ever seen), and she played Gwyneth Paltrow's nurse in 

Shakespeare in Love. >>

Imelda Staunton was also in David Copperfield with Daniel Radcliffe and 
Maggie Smith and Zoe Wanamaker and she was in Sense and Sensibility with Emma 
Thompson and Alan Rickman <g>
I also think it's interesting that while reading the mini bios of the actors 
on the David  Copperfield page I read that Zoe Wanamaker's father was Sam 
Wanamaker (which I knew, but never really thought about) - he was an American, so 
she says that British actors consider her the token American and Americans 
consider her British ;)
I think Ms Staunton would do great as Umbridge - she has the physicality and 
is not as old as the other candidates mentioned and she is a terrific actress.
Cindy



From scully931 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 02:31:47 2003
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:31:47 -0000
Subject: GoFlength--money talks?
In-Reply-To: <bmedep+k7gj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmfn6j+6cse@eGroups.com>

You bring up some good points. I too sent a letter and signed the 
petition. I'm sure thousands upon thousands did - hopefully. But, 
for every one person who did, there are a thousand who, like you 
say, would be perfectly content to see a condensed version. 
(morons;-) I can also see, even in my own situation, how a four hour 
movie may limit recurring ticket sales. I generally go to opening 
night with my mom, then again with my mom and my sister, then again 
with my friend over the holidays and again with my sister before it 
leaves. My mom and sister both like the movies, but I think I may 
have to drag them back to see a four hour movie a second time. 
That's a big chunk of someone's day. Know what I mean? They've got 
to be taking recurring sales into account. Teens who go because they 
are midly interested, parents who go for their kids. Are these 
people as likely to go for a second time if it's four hours worth of 
film. Now, as much as I would like not to count those people, WB 
certainly do. 

In my way of thinking, a two parter would be more likely to make 
them money. But, again, you'll have parents saying, "We don't need 
to go to the first one again, the next one will be out in a couple 
months." Argh! Yes, as much as I hate to say it and as much as I 
think they will have no choice but to butcher the storyline, I can 
see where they will not make as much money with an four hour movie. 

Deborah


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> About a week ago, I read the following on the Askaban Club-site:
> 
> "Wizard News has now learned, according to reliable sources 
> inside Warner Brothers, that they are looking INTO the possibility 
> of making Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire INTO one movie, 
> four hours long, with an intermission. " The heading of this 
little 
> blurb clearly states that it is just a rumour, but it got me 
thinking 
> nevertheless.
> 
> I am one of the people who signed the online petition and sent 
> WB a letter as well, in the hopes of rescuing GoF from being 
> butchered into a 2 1/2 h movie. However, in the entertainment 
> business "money talks"--and often has the final say-so too. From 
> a WB-point of view, there might be many financial drawbacks to 
> making a 4 h movie, even if there are Potter fanatics like us out 
> there (or here, as the case may be) who would love to see it 
> happen. 
> 
> Which of the following posts on the balance sheet carries the 
> most weight (I don't have any statistics on this, and so not 
> consider myself an authority: I'm just guessing here): a)The 
> scores and scores of people who really want to see it but are 
> content to do it once and are happy that way , b) nutters like us 
> who want to watch it ten-odd times while it's still in cinemas. My 
> guess would be the first. So, even if WB made a GoF that 
> sucked, just about everybody would still go see it that one time, 
> and it might not make that big a difference if the obsessives 
> didn't return. I'll have to be honest: Even if it's butchered, I'd 
> probably still return a few times just to see a particular scene 
or 
> two again--especially since we know the trio is staying on...
> 
> As for the four-hour version: Though there will be some truly 
> scary stuff in it, it's Harry Potter, and Harry is still 
synonymous 
> with family entertainment. If I were a mother of three, would I 
> really take them to a four-hour movie? (I guess if they badgered 
> me long enough...) Even if there's an intermission, can you 
> imagine the length of the line outside the restrooms? It would 
> just be a hassle.
> 
> And another thing: The ticket price of a four-hour movie, though 
> perhaps a little higher than that of your average feature, would 
> still be a lot lower that the combined ticket-prices of the two 
> movies that could be shown in the same space of time. Wouldn't 
> that be considered a drawback for the cinemas?
> 
> Having said that--this isn't just any movie we're talking about, 
it's 
> Harry Potter, and he's hot stuff. Before Harry noone would ever in 
> their wildest dreams have imagined children  willingly plowing 
> through--zipping through--700 p. tomes en masse, so who's to 
> say a four-hour movie can't be incredibly successful and 
> lucrative?
> 
> Besides, WB would want to make sure the fans come back for 
> more, and they have some articstic pride too, right? So maybe 
> there's hope even if the above rumour isn't true. Though we know 
> Kloves has been asked to produce a script for a 2 1/2h GoF, 
> there's still time for WB to change their tack, still time to 
listen to 
> the nutters...
> 
> Sophia




From stella713 at yahoo.de  Tue Oct 14 10:10:26 2003
From: stella713 at yahoo.de (stella713)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 10:10:26 -0000
Subject: GoFlength--money talks?
In-Reply-To: <bmegqg+eh6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmgi2i+bfoc@eGroups.com>

> Why would a 4 hour movie necessarily cost more for the patron than 
> the normal film to see?  I don't understand that comment.  A lot of 
> the "epic" films of the 50s and 60s ... ie. Ben Hur, The Ten 
> Commandments, How the West Was Won, etc... were 3+ hour movies with 
> intermissions built in.  The price to see these movies was no more 
> than seeing any other at the time.  

Well I do work part time in a cinema and we charge extra for films 
that are over a certain length. In the 50s and 60s intermissions may 
have been popular - they are not so anymore. For us working at the 
time it is a nervewrecking hassle - selling refreshments, keeping the 
restroom clean with hundreds of people milling around who have only 
15 minutes to spare - and so it is for most of our customers who do 
prefer to see the movie in one go.
Antoher point - with a 4 hour movie you can only run two times a day 
(early afternoon and evening) ... as compared to 4 screenings 
for "normal length". 4 times is better business... sorry :-(

> again, that people will sit through a 3+ hour movie if it is 
> entertaining.  In fact, Lord of the Rings is taking it a step 
further 
> by show all three films in the series on one date, back to back.  
> Patrons of this event will be able to see the entire 10+ hour saga 
in 
> one sitting, with 30 minute intermissions between each film.  I, 
for 
> one, am planning on doing this... and I expect it to be sold out.

LOTR is an execption imho. Our cinema will be doing it only once for 
publicity. I doubt if Harry Potter would do as well for two or three 
films back to back. The key audience is too young for that.

regards
asta




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 14 13:56:16 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:56:16 -0000
Subject: GoFlength--money talks?
In-Reply-To: <bmegqg+eh6a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmgva0+5lik@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <tmarends at y...> wrote:

> Why would a 4 hour movie necessarily cost more for the patron than 
> the normal film to see?  I don't understand that comment. 

Oops. I forgot to add that in Sweden, where I live, ticket prices for extra-long 
is always a little higher than for the regular length feature film. While thinking 
about writing this post I concluded this may not be the case in other 
countries, but forgot to explain it in the heat of the moment (of posting).

Sophia




From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Oct 14 18:20:45 2003
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:20:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF length -- money talks?
Message-ID: <118.2a2bf6cf.2cbd987d@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2003 4:10:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
Lord of the Rings proved, once 
again, that people will sit through a 3+ hour movie if it is 
entertaining.  
I, for one, would like to see GoF made into TWO three-hour movies!  Then 
maybe they'd be able to get most of the good stuff in it!!  ;-D

Lynda 
* * *
". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP


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From sylviablundell2001 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 16:36:16 2003
From: sylviablundell2001 at yahoo.co.uk (sylviablundell2001)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:36:16 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
Message-ID: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com>

I don't see why Kathy Bates shouldn't be able to do a perfect English 
accent.  An actress of her calibre should't find it a problem. If she 
brings the quality of menace she brought to that terrible woman 
in "Misery" who cares if she isn't English.
I don't know if Angela Lansbury is good at playing hateful, but she 
has got the right sort of babyish face.
Sylvia




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 14 20:47:01 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:47:01 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmhnc5+hv2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sylviablundell2001" 
<sylviablundell2001 at y...> wrote:
> I don't see why Kathy Bates shouldn't be able to do a perfect 
English 
> accent.  An actress of her calibre should't find it a problem. If 
she 
> brings the quality of menace she brought to that terrible woman 
> in "Misery" who cares if she isn't English.
> I don't know if Angela Lansbury is good at playing hateful, but she 
> has got the right sort of babyish face.
> Sylvia

Again, I point you to "The Machurian Canidate".  Angela Lansbury is 
wonderfully evil in that film... she even made the top 10 of the AFIs 
100 Movie Villians.




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 01:07:05 2003
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 01:07:05 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmi6jp+v458@eGroups.com>

Have I missed something? I thought the film makers were bound by 
contract to only hire British actors in the first place. I mean, the 
English accent certainly isn't a problem. That's what dialects 
coaches are for. But, I thought they could in no way hire someone 
who was American. 



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sylviablundell2001" 
<sylviablundell2001 at y...> wrote:
> I don't see why Kathy Bates shouldn't be able to do a perfect 
English 
> accent.  An actress of her calibre should't find it a problem. If 
she 
> brings the quality of menace she brought to that terrible woman 
> in "Misery" who cares if she isn't English.
> I don't know if Angela Lansbury is good at playing hateful, but 
she 
> has got the right sort of babyish face.
> Sylvia




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 14 04:08:57 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:08:57 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
References: <bmi6jp+v458@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c39208$e53427a0$618aaec7@rick>




> Have I missed something? I thought the film makers were bound by
> contract to only hire British actors in the first place. I mean, the
> English accent certainly isn't a problem. That's what dialects
> coaches are for. But, I thought they could in no way hire someone
> who was American.
>

Chris Columbus (the director of the first two movies) is not British, nor is
his daughter... yet she plays Susan Bones.  (You notice, however, that you
never actually hear her speak...)

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From Erthena at aol.com  Wed Oct 15 04:15:36 2003
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:15:36 -0000
Subject: GoF length -- money talks?
In-Reply-To: <118.2a2bf6cf.2cbd987d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bmihl8+e92j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/14/2003 4:10:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> Lord of the Rings proved, once 
> again, that people will sit through a 3+ hour movie if it is 
> entertaining.  
> I, for one, would like to see GoF made into TWO three-hour movies!  
Then 
> maybe they'd be able to get most of the good stuff in it!!  ;-D
> 
> Lynda 

 Now Me:
Well,I'd like to see that too but I have a feeling we're gonna see 
nore of a toned down two and a half hour version.  However, have any 
of you seen the previous Lord of the Rings movies, the animated 
ones.  They are awful.  Really funny, but awful.  I saw the movie 
version of The Hobbit in fourth grade and it was so terrible that I 
decided never to read the stuff this "Tolkien" guy wrote.  I have now 
read LOTR 5 times but that is because 25 years later a fan of the 
boks made a wonderful movie that was true to the book, a long enough 
length to incompass the work, and because my friends forced me to go 
see it.  So don't give up, if the movie sucks I'll hop on a train 
after I turn 17, read HP, become a director and 25 years later I'll 
make movies that do the books credit.
don't let the muggles get you down
~~loony
PS: The train thing is a reference to Peter Jackson's infamous first 
reading of LOTR on a train trip when he was 17.  Yes I know how 
obsessed I am.  How are you?




From aussie_lol at yahoo.com.au  Wed Oct 15 07:49:49 2003
From: aussie_lol at yahoo.com.au (Hagrid)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:49:49 -0000
Subject: Dragon vs Wyvern
Message-ID: <bmiu6t+5h71@eGroups.com>

Hi, I've posted in Grownups, but 1st time here. Posting about the 
Dragons we have seen so far.

In the SS/PS, Norbert, the Norwegian Ridgeback Dragon, is born with 
hind legs and hands poking out of his wings, like a bat.

In COS, Lockhart has a skeleton dangling from the ceiling. It seems 
to be a Dragon with hind legs and wings ... 

But Dragons are ment to have 4 legs. It is the Wyvern that has 2 
legs. (My school was called "Wyvern" after the family crest of the 
Methoidist founder, John Wesley. So the school embllem was a Wyvern, 
while the 3rd grade teacher was a dragon)

Just a thought that this could be an error

aussie




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:28:55 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:28:55 -0000
Subject: PoA on E!
Message-ID: <bmk04n+iepo@eGroups.com>

As most of you must have heard by now, there will be a set report 
straight from the PoA set on E! News Live this Friday, 17th of 
October. I will not be able to watch it since I don't have that 
channel, not do I know anyone who does. However, I'm confident 
I'll be able to read lots about it on the net, but I'd like to cover my 
bases. If someone on this list is planning to watch it (like you 
aren't --as IF!), please, please post some comments on the 
report: I wan't to know everything!

thanks,
Sophia   




From amani at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 17:47:13 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:47:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
References: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c39344$5df1e920$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Sylvia:

I don't see why Kathy Bates shouldn't be able to do a perfect English 
accent.  An actress of her calibre should't find it a problem. If she 
brings the quality of menace she brought to that terrible woman 
in "Misery" who cares if she isn't English.

Taryn:
JKR cares. She's specifically requested an all-British cast. (Chris Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones seems more like a father doting on his daughter, as Susan bones doesn't actually speak and is only seen in scenes.) Also, I've heard a lot of British HP fans on the subject of Americans being cast who say that they find it extremely easy to tell when an accent is being faked. Obviously most Americans probably can't (I sure wouldn't be able to) as they haven't grown up speaking it and listening to it. But this reminds me of Ralph Finnes attempt at an American accent in Maid in Manhattan which, although I adore the actor, was a bit grating at points in the movie.

*shrugs* But I don't really know. I'm certainly not British myself, it's just a sentiment I've heard from a lot of British HP fans.

----------
Taryn : http://taryn.shirataki.net

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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 14 18:26:25 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:26:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
References: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com> <001101c39344$5df1e920$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c39280$b3b41aa0$59e879a5@rick>

> Taryn:
> JKR cares. She's specifically requested an all-British cast. (Chris
Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones seems more like a father doting on
his daughter, as Susan bones doesn't actually speak and is only seen in
scenes.) Also, I've heard a lot of British HP fans on the subject of
Americans being cast who say that they find it extremely easy to tell when
an accent is being faked. Obviously most Americans probably can't (I sure
wouldn't be able to) as they haven't grown up speaking it and listening to
it. But this reminds me of Ralph Finnes attempt at an American accent in
Maid in Manhattan which, although I adore the actor, was a bit grating at
points in the movie.
>
> *shrugs* But I don't really know. I'm certainly not British myself, it's
just a sentiment I've heard from a lot of British HP fans.
>
> ----------
> Taryn : http://taryn.shirataki.net


I think the only people who can really pull off a given accent are those who
spent a good deal of time around one or more people who spoke in that accent
from childhood.  If you try to train in an accent, it usually comes off as
odd or "not-quite natural."

Personally, I grew up in California, but I can pull off a Scottish accent
that people from Scotland that I know have said sounds like I'm a native.
The reason for this is because the mother of one of my best friends in high
school (that friend being my "little sis", Maureen.. and she referred to me
as her "Big Bro") was born and raised in Glasgow.  While she had lived in
the US for about 30 years, her first 30 or more were vein her homeland, so
(as anyone from Scotland knows) she could never lose her thick Glasgow
"Scottish Brogue."

I spent entire weekends at their house for years, so I picked up on the
accent.  (Being someone with 5 years of drama training, 2 years of speech,
and 2 years of choir, I tend to mimic accents of other people I hang out
with... even if I don't know I'm doing it.)

So, while I can pull off a Scott accent like a native, and a passable Irish
one (though it doesn't sound quite right...), my English accent sucks eggs.
(And don't even ASK me to try a Welsh one...)


Some people can pull off the accents, and some can't.  I think it all
depends on their background, and what accent it is.


Just my two centaurs worth.

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 15 22:14:35 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:14:35 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmi6jp+v458@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmkgsb+7mku@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> wrote:
> Have I missed something? I thought the film makers were bound by 
> contract to only hire British actors in the first place. I mean, the 
> English accent certainly isn't a problem. 

You must mean "the English accent should not be a problem". :-)
Because it's certainly is. There are some good examples: Renee
Zellweger in "Bridget Jones", Nathan Lane in "Nicholas Nickleby" but
there are much more terrible, cringe-worthy examples when it was a
problem.
Richard Gere and Kevin Costner come to mind as the worst offenders.

Irene




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 03:37:15 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:37:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA on E!
References: <bmk04n+iepo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c392cd$a1cb1da0$f5e279a5@rick>



> As most of you must have heard by now, there will be a set report
> straight from the PoA set on E! News Live this Friday, 17th of
> October. I will not be able to watch it since I don't have that
> channel, not do I know anyone who does. However, I'm confident
> I'll be able to read lots about it on the net, but I'd like to cover my
> bases. If someone on this list is planning to watch it (like you
> aren't --as IF!), please, please post some comments on the
> report: I wan't to know everything!
>
> thanks,
> Sophia
>

I checked the entire evening schedule on my digital cable box and couldn't
find it.  Will it be a show on its own?  Or on a show?

Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster






From silverdragon at ezweb.com.au  Thu Oct 16 07:09:33 2003
From: silverdragon at ezweb.com.au (silverdragon at ezweb.com.au)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:09:33 +1000
Subject: Accents [WAS: Casting Umbridge]
References: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com> <001101c39344$5df1e920$0400a8c0@charterpa.com> <00ad01c39280$b3b41aa0$59e879a5@rick>
Message-ID: <012801c393b6$93394200$62984cca@Monteith>

Iggy wrote
> Some people can pull off the accents, and some can't.  I think it all
> depends on their background, and what accent it is.



Yeah <says Nox, disgruntled>. I don't know *where* some people get their
'Australian' accents from; they are so deplorably bad! Although now there
are so many Aussies popping up all over the place in all kinds of movies
(tickled me that two of the leads in a movie about America's struggle for
independence were Australian...) that many of the accents are real...
hehehe...

Nox (wishing Aussies made a big deal about Halloween, but it's the wrong
time of year anyway. Bring on Beltane!)




From joj at rochester.rr.com  Thu Oct 16 11:26:25 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:26:25 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA on E!
References: <bmk04n+iepo@eGroups.com> <000501c392cd$a1cb1da0$f5e279a5@rick>
Message-ID: <000601c393d8$5615e3c0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>


  Mugglenet is reporting that it's cancelled anyway.  Not cool!  I was looking forward to this.

  Joj


  P.S.  E! is a cable channel.  E! News Live is the nightly news/gossip show it was supposed to be on.


  > As most of you must have heard by now, there will be a set report
  > straight from the PoA set on E! News Live this Friday, 17th of
  > October. I will not be able to watch it since I don't have that
  > channel, not do I know anyone who does. However, I'm confident
  > I'll be able to read lots about it on the net, but I'd like to cover my
  > bases. If someone on this list is planning to watch it (like you
  > aren't --as IF!), please, please post some comments on the
  > report: I wan't to know everything!
  >
  > thanks,
  > Sophia
  >

  I checked the entire evening schedule on my digital cable box and couldn't
  find it.  Will it be a show on its own?  Or on a show?

  Iggy McSnurd
  the Prankster





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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 15 12:39:46 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:39:46 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Accents [WAS: Casting Umbridge]
References: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com> <001101c39344$5df1e920$0400a8c0@charterpa.com> <00ad01c39280$b3b41aa0$59e879a5@rick> <012801c393b6$93394200$62984cca@Monteith>
Message-ID: <003701c39319$6c384b80$6691aec7@rick>

>
> Yeah <says Nox, disgruntled>. I don't know *where* some people get their
> 'Australian' accents from; they are so deplorably bad! Although now there
> are so many Aussies popping up all over the place in all kinds of movies
> (tickled me that two of the leads in a movie about America's struggle for
> independence were Australian...) that many of the accents are real...
> hehehe...
>
> Nox (wishing Aussies made a big deal about Halloween, but it's the wrong
> time of year anyway. Bring on Beltane!)
>

*grin* Actually, Mel Gibson (who I assume is one of the "Aussies" you're
mentioning...) is an American.  He just spent a good deal of his childhood
and early adult years in Australia.  (Hence, his incredibly accurate Aussie
accent.  And the fact that they had to re-do the voice track for him in "Mad
Max" for American release because he had such a thick Australian accent that
they were afraid that Americans wouldn't understand a word he was saying.)

Date of birth (location)
3 January 1956
Peekskill, New York, USA


(Gained from the IMDB web site...)


Iggy McSnurd
the Prankster







From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 16 15:34:57 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:34:57 -0000
Subject: PoA on E!
In-Reply-To: <000501c392cd$a1cb1da0$f5e279a5@rick>
Message-ID: <bmmdr1+552q@eGroups.com>

Iggy McSnurd wrote:
> I checked the entire evening schedule on my digital cable box and couldn't
> find it.  Will it be a show on its own?  Or on a show?
> 
The set report was to have been a part of the E! Live show,  which I presume 
is a sort of news hour on the E! channel. Anyway, it no longer matters, for it 
now appears this particular item has been cancelled: It has been removed 
from the items listed under Fri 17, for the show, on the E! website. Rats, rats, 
rats....and Scabbers to boot! (However, if it was in the works--who knows, 
maybe it'll show up later. If it does, we'll be sure to hear about it through 
Leaky or mugglenet.

Sophia




From jools31 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 09:14:28 2003
From: jools31 at yahoo.co.uk (Julian Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:14:28 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmkgsb+7mku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bmlnhk+rjj1@eGroups.com>

Hello, this is my first post.  But I digress....

If they were going to cast someone from overseas, they would have done it for the 
first film.

I disagree with you slightly Irene, about Renee Zellwger and Nathan Lane.  The 
accents were good, but they weren't perfect.  They were forced 'posh', which sounds 
really fake to a lot of British ears.

I think that they will continue to cast actors from the United Kingdom for the films, 
and I'm sure they will find the right person for Umbridge.   Even though it may be 
quite a few years before she is needed.


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin" <irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> wrote:
> > Have I missed something? I thought the film makers were bound by 
> > contract to only hire British actors in the first place. I mean, the 
> > English accent certainly isn't a problem. 
> 
> You must mean "the English accent should not be a problem". :-)
> Because it's certainly is. There are some good examples: Renee
> Zellweger in "Bridget Jones", Nathan Lane in "Nicholas Nickleby" but
> there are much more terrible, cringe-worthy examples when it was a
> problem.
> Richard Gere and Kevin Costner come to mind as the worst offenders.
> 
> Irene




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 18:07:07 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:07:07 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <1d3.127cb743.2cbc48dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bmmmob+fs6j@eGroups.com>

CLShannon at a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 10/13/03 3:55:58 AM, kirst_inn at y... writes:
> 
> << Personally, I've always seen Imelda Staunton as Umbridge.
> 
> Everyone who isn't convinced that Emma Thompson will be fantastic 
as 
> 
> Trelawny should rent Peter's Friends, which also features Staunton, 
> 
> who is about four foot ten, with a wee potato face and frizzy brown 
> 
> hair. She was also in Twelfth Night (check 
> 
> http://www.finelinefeatures.com/twelfth/index.html  - go to the 
cast 
> 
> and crew site and click on her name for the most Umbridge-y picture 
I 
> 
> have ever seen), and she played Gwyneth Paltrow's nurse in 
> 
> Shakespeare in Love. >>
> 
> Imelda Staunton was also in David Copperfield with Daniel Radcliffe 
and 
> Maggie Smith and Zoe Wanamaker and she was in Sense and Sensibility 
with Emma 
> Thompson and Alan Rickman <g>
> I also think it's interesting that while reading the mini bios of 
the actors 
> on the David  Copperfield page I read that Zoe Wanamaker's father 
was Sam 
> Wanamaker (which I knew, but never really thought about) - he was 
an American, so 
> she says that British actors consider her the token American and 
Americans 
> consider her British ;)
> I think Ms Staunton would do great as Umbridge - she has the 
physicality and 
> is not as old as the other candidates mentioned and she is a 
terrific actress.
> Cindy

Me:

I agree about Staunton.  She was my original choice for Umbridge or 
Skeeter.  I only suggested Liz Taylor because it would be a hoot, and 
because most people have probably forgotten that she's a Brit.  But 
maybe an appearance as Neville's gran would be more up her alley.  
Hmmm...

Marci




From silverdragon at ezweb.com.au  Thu Oct 16 21:39:41 2003
From: silverdragon at ezweb.com.au (silverdragon at ezweb.com.au)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:39:41 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Accents [WAS: Casting Umbridge]
References: <bmh8m0+d7bs@eGroups.com> <001101c39344$5df1e920$0400a8c0@charterpa.com> <00ad01c39280$b3b41aa0$59e879a5@rick> <012801c393b6$93394200$62984cca@Monteith> <003701c39319$6c384b80$6691aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <000b01c3942e$12603fd0$7d984cca@Monteith>

>
> *grin* Actually, Mel Gibson (who I assume is one of the "Aussies" you're
> mentioning...) is an American.  He just spent a good deal of his childhood
> and early adult years in Australia.  (Hence, his incredibly accurate
Aussie
> accent.  And the fact that they had to re-do the voice track for him in
"Mad
> Max" for American release because he had such a thick Australian accent
that
> they were afraid that Americans wouldn't understand a word he was saying.)
>
> Date of birth (location)
> 3 January 1956
> Peekskill, New York, USA

Heheh. I know but we claim him anyway...

Nox




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 00:58:19 2003
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:58:19 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c39280$b3b41aa0$59e879a5@rick>
Message-ID: <bmnerb+outi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
<coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> > Taryn:
> > JKR cares. She's specifically requested an all-British cast. 
(Chris
> Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones seems more like a father 
doting on
> his daughter, as Susan bones doesn't actually speak and is only 
seen in
> scenes.) Also, I've heard a lot of British HP fans on the subject 
of
> Americans being cast who say that they find it extremely easy to 
tell when
> an accent is being faked. Obviously most Americans probably can't 
(I sure
> wouldn't be able to) as they haven't grown up speaking it and 
listening to
> it. But this reminds me of Ralph Finnes attempt at an American 
accent in
> Maid in Manhattan which, although I adore the actor, was a bit 
grating at
> points in the movie.
> >
> > *shrugs* But I don't really know. I'm certainly not British 
myself, it's
> just a sentiment I've heard from a lot of British HP fans.
> >
> > ----------
> > Taryn : http://taryn.shirataki.net
> 
> 
> I think the only people who can really pull off a given accent are 
those who
> spent a good deal of time around one or more people who spoke in 
that accent
> from childhood.  If you try to train in an accent, it usually 
comes off as
> odd or "not-quite natural."
> 
> Personally, I grew up in California, but I can pull off a Scottish 
accent
> that people from Scotland that I know have said sounds like I'm a 
native.
> The reason for this is because the mother of one of my best 
friends in high
> school (that friend being my "little sis", Maureen.. and she 
referred to me
> as her "Big Bro") was born and raised in Glasgow.  While she had 
lived in
> the US for about 30 years, her first 30 or more were vein her 
homeland, so
> (as anyone from Scotland knows) she could never lose her thick 
Glasgow
> "Scottish Brogue."
> 
> I spent entire weekends at their house for years, so I picked up 
on the
> accent.  (Being someone with 5 years of drama training, 2 years of 
speech,
> and 2 years of choir, I tend to mimic accents of other people I 
hang out
> with... even if I don't know I'm doing it.)
> 
> So, while I can pull off a Scott accent like a native, and a 
passable Irish
> one (though it doesn't sound quite right...), my English accent 
sucks eggs.
> (And don't even ASK me to try a Welsh one...)
> 
> 
> Some people can pull off the accents, and some can't.  I think it 
all
> depends on their background, and what accent it is.
> 
> 
> Just my two centaurs worth.
> 
> Iggy McSnurd
> the Prankster




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 15:30:02 2003
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:30:02 -0000
Subject: Accents
Message-ID: <bmp1tq+i02g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Iggy McSnurd" 
> <coyoteschild at p...> wrote:
> > > Taryn:
> > > JKR cares. She's specifically requested an all-British cast. 
> (Chris
> > Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones seems more like a father 
> doting on
> > his daughter, as Susan bones doesn't actually speak and is only 
> seen in
> > scenes.) Also, I've heard a lot of British HP fans on the subject 
> of
> > Americans being cast who say that they find it extremely easy to 
> tell when
> > an accent is being faked. Obviously most Americans probably can't 
> (I sure
> > wouldn't be able to) as they haven't grown up speaking it and 
> listening to
> > it. But this reminds me of Ralph Finnes attempt at an American 
> accent in
> > Maid in Manhattan which, although I adore the actor, was a bit 
> grating at
> > points in the movie.
> > >
> > > *shrugs* But I don't really know. I'm certainly not British 
> myself, it's
> > just a sentiment I've heard from a lot of British HP fans.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > Taryn : http://taryn.shirataki.net
> > 
> > 
> > I think the only people who can really pull off a given accent 
are 
> those who
> > spent a good deal of time around one or more people who spoke in 
> that accent
> > from childhood.  If you try to train in an accent, it usually 
> comes off as
> > odd or "not-quite natural."
> > 
> > Personally, I grew up in California, but I can pull off a 
Scottish 
> accent
> > that people from Scotland that I know have said sounds like I'm a 
> native.
> > The reason for this is because the mother of one of my best 
> friends in high
> > school (that friend being my "little sis", Maureen.. and she 
> referred to me
> > as her "Big Bro") was born and raised in Glasgow.  While she had 
> lived in
> > the US for about 30 years, her first 30 or more were vein her 
> homeland, so
> > (as anyone from Scotland knows) she could never lose her thick 
> Glasgow
> > "Scottish Brogue."
> > 
> > I spent entire weekends at their house for years, so I picked up 
> on the
> > accent.  (Being someone with 5 years of drama training, 2 years 
of 
> speech,
> > and 2 years of choir, I tend to mimic accents of other people I 
> hang out
> > with... even if I don't know I'm doing it.)
> > 
> > So, while I can pull off a Scott accent like a native, and a 
> passable Irish
> > one (though it doesn't sound quite right...), my English accent 
> sucks eggs.
> > (And don't even ASK me to try a Welsh one...)
> > 
> > 
> > Some people can pull off the accents, and some can't.  I think it 
> all
> > depends on their background, and what accent it is.
> > 
> > 
> > Just my two centaurs worth.
> > 
> > Iggy McSnurd
> > the Prankster

I was stationed in England in the mid 80s, and joined a local Theatre 
group.  In the only show I did with them I played two parts, one an 
American Mayor of a small Eastern town, and one British.  After the 
opening performance, someone in the audience came up to me and told 
me that I needed to work on my American accent...   I took it as a 
compliment, and told him so.  He then realized that I was American.

Tim




From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 19:25:28 2003
From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:25:28 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bmlnhk+rjj1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bms438+sq6t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Julian Smith" <jools31 at y...> wrote:

> I disagree with you slightly Irene, about Renee Zellwger and Nathan
Lane.  The 
> accents were good, but they weren't perfect.  They were forced
'posh', which sounds 
> really fake to a lot of British ears.

I think we are in perfect agreement. On the scale from abomination
(Dick van Dyke? ;-) to perfection (i.e. you can't tell the actor is
faking it) they are good, but not perfect.
I'm trying to think of an example of "perfect" (with someone who is
not British, obviously) - Christopher Plummer?

Irene


> 
> I think that they will continue to cast actors from the United
Kingdom for the films, 
> and I'm sure they will find the right person for Umbridge.   Even
though it may be 
> quite a few years before she is needed.
> 
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "irene_mikhlin"
<irene_mikhlin at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...>
wrote:
> > > Have I missed something? I thought the film makers were bound by 
> > > contract to only hire British actors in the first place. I mean,
the 
> > > English accent certainly isn't a problem. 
> > 
> > You must mean "the English accent should not be a problem". :-)
> > Because it's certainly is. There are some good examples: Renee
> > Zellweger in "Bridget Jones", Nathan Lane in "Nicholas Nickleby" but
> > there are much more terrible, cringe-worthy examples when it was a
> > problem.
> > Richard Gere and Kevin Costner come to mind as the worst offenders.
> > 
> > Irene




From kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 12:07:37 2003
From: kirst_inn at yahoo.co.uk (kirst_inn)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:07:37 -0000
Subject: British and US Actors (Was: Casting Umbridge)
In-Reply-To: <bms438+sq6t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bn0j69+7e6t@eGroups.com>

I think that the reason many Brits (myself and JKR included)are 
against American casting is more to do with resisting what I would 
call "Hollywoodisation" than concern about accent authenticity. It's 
similar to the horror felt by fans at Spielberg's proposals for the 
series (cheerleaders at Quidditch matches, Hayley-Joel as Harry, 
etc). I suppose we'd feel a bit colonised, were Macauly Culkin to pop 
up as Cedric, or Alec Baldwin to flash his chest hair about before 
turning into Snuffles. Kathy Bates I don't mind so much, but I can 
certainly understand why JKR instituted the ban (which, IIRC, 
alllowed Antipodeans and Europeans).
To be honest, I wondered rather if Susan Bones' elevation to speaking 
part in OoP had anything to do with reaction to CC's casting. 
Obviously, with or without CC as exec. producer on OoP, they'll have 
to re-cast her if she makes it past Kloves' cutting room.
Kirstini




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Mon Oct 20 14:10:05 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:10:05 -0000
Subject: British and US Actors (Was: Casting Umbridge)
In-Reply-To: <bn0j69+7e6t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bn0qbt+jvjc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" <kirst_inn at y...> 
wrote:
  Kathy Bates I don't mind so much, but I can 
> certainly understand why JKR instituted the ban (which, IIRC, 
> alllowed Antipodeans and Europeans).

I am not sure, but I think Europeans from other countries are 
only "allowed" in the roles of the French and Eastern European 
characters in GoF.

> To be honest, I wondered rather if Susan Bones' elevation to 
speaking 
> part in OoP had anything to do with reaction to CC's casting. 
> Obviously, with or without CC as exec. producer on OoP, they'll 
have 
> to re-cast her if she makes it past Kloves' cutting room.
> Kirstini

Not really. Susan Bones said one sentence in OOTP. This can be left 
out of the movie without a problem.  

Hickengruendler




From angry_wangry at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 10:57:01 2003
From: angry_wangry at yahoo.co.uk (angry_wangry)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:57:01 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <bme09m+pnla@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bn0f1t+3j80@eGroups.com>

Stephanie Cole as Mrs Figg! Genius idea!!
Also Colm Meaney as Ludo Bagman, I really like that idea. I can also 
see Patricia Routledge as Neville's gran.
As for the others, how about the ol' Queen of Mean, Anne Robinson, 
as Rita Skeeter? She was once a journalist herself so it should be 
familiar territory... :)
And for Umbridge, how about Patsy Byrne? She was Nursey in 
Blackadder, and was also Mrs Gummidge in David Copperfield (along 
with Potter stars Daniel Radcliffe, Zoe Wanamaker, Dawn French, Paul 
Whitehouse and Maggie Smith) Here's some info and pics...

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0126268/
http://www.mgnet.karoo.net/nursiemain.jpg
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/archive/programs/davidcopperfield
/whoswho/images/mrs_gummidge.jpg

To hear her speak, if you have RealPlayer: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/blackadder/interviews/media/patsy1.shtml
(Though obviously she could do other voices...)


Also, how about Rowan Atkinson as Phineas Nigellus in OotP? I 
thought that after reading his "puffed-up pompin-jay" line.


Mad -x-



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kirst_inn" <kirst_inn at y...> 
wrote:
> Apologies, as all this has been discussed before.
> 
> Personally, I've always seen Imelda Staunton as Umbridge.
> Everyone who isn't convinced that Emma Thompson will be fantastic 
as 
> Trelawny should rent Peter's Friends, which also features 
Staunton, 
> who is about four foot ten, with a wee potato face and frizzy 
brown 
> hair. She was also in Twelfth Night (check 
> http://www.finelinefeatures.com/twelfth/index.html  - go to the 
cast 
> and crew site and click on her name for the most Umbridge-y 
picture I 
> have ever seen), and she played Gwyneth Paltrow's nurse in 
> Shakespeare in Love.
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly with whoever voted for Stephanie Cole as 
Mrs 
> Figg. I have another idea for Judi Dench, though. I'd like to see 
her 
> in a cameo as the square-jawed, monocle-wearing Amelia Bones in 
OoP.
> I wonder if the people who raised concerns about Dench's age for 
> Umbridge realise that Patricia Routledge is probably about the 
same 
> age? They stopped making "Keeping Up Appearances" in the early 
90s, I 
> think, and she was well into her sixties then, surely?
> Kirstini




From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 18:41:42 2003
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:41:42 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting Umbridge
Message-ID: <v01540b00bbb8a5f1bf32@[217.154.253.224]>

My vote goes to Prunella Scales. She played a similar part years ago in
'Mapp and Lucia', where, as Miss Mapp, she said dreadful things in a
honey-sweet voice. Lucia was played by Geraldine McEwan, who could have
done Trelawney...though I'm not unhappy with the casting of Emma Thompson.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From grianne2 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 02:16:12 2003
From: grianne2 at yahoo.com (Annalisa Moretti)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:16:12 -0000
Subject: Who Was That Robed Man, Anyway? (PS)
Message-ID: <bn24tc+jjen@eGroups.com>

I have only just read the thread about the identity of the robed 
figure in the flashback of Lily's death scene in the PS movie; I'm 
reviving the subject because I've been looking into it.

First of all, my opinion on the topic:

I think there is something very strange about the scene, most 
particularly the vital shot, in which we see Lily in the process of 
shutting the door and screaming the name "James", while Mr. 
Mysterious in the black robe turns around in front of her. It is very 
hard to link a continuity between this shot and the ones preceding 
and following it. Directly before the shot, we see what I fully do 
believe is Voldemort Alohomora-ing the door (or using some other 
spell to open it). We then see the aforementioned shot. Then we jump 
to Lily running into Harry's room and being struck by whichever curse 
is being thrown at her. 

The thing I find odd about the black figure myself is not simply what 
others have stated, that it's turning away from Lily, because, like 
several posters, I can explain that away quite easily. The first 
thing which I find strange about it is the way in which it moves. The 
whole sequence has been slowed down for effect by the filmmakers, but 
Voldemort in particular moves very slowly; and this figure does not. 
I would also hasten to point out, rather ironically, that I don't 
think this be-robed figure's sleeve precisely matches that of 
Voldemort. The original person who posted this theory specifically 
cited the black robe with white sleeve poking out in the hand holding 
the wand as being identifiable as Snape's. I have to say that I find 
that an extremely slim and flimsy possibility. But what *I* find 
strange is that I don't see any white sleeve at all in this figure 
here.

I would also agree with what others have stated, that Lily seem to be 
more or less staring PAST the figure in black rather than at it. If 
she's screaming "James" she might be looking at James. That does not 
rule out the figure being Voldemort, but it does make it less likely 
(to me) as being James, which would have been another possibility 
resultant of what I outlined above.

But there is one major problem with this whole idea, unfortunately. I 
don't think it really is able to stand on its own UNLESS what has 
been mentioned in passing -- that J. K. Rowling supposedly "oversaw" 
filming of this sequence -- is true. Because I have not been able to 
find ANYTHING which states this at all.

This is what I've found:

http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3454
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1594000/1594156.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1664000/1664714.stm
(There was also a CNN article that was supposed to have mentioned to 
it linked on TLC but the article seems to have disappeared from the 
website.)

None of these articles state that the sequence was "overseen" by 
Rowling. They state that she *wrote* the scene (which I think, 
furthermore, actually means that she wrote the source material for 
the scene, that is, a scene which was intended for the book but which 
was edited about and which she gave to Steve Kloves to incorporate 
into the script). Furthermore, the "hidden secret" of this scene 
seems to be nothing more than "information about how the Potters 
lived", and it also seems that it was heavily edited by Chris 
Columbus later on (now why couldn't they have put an unedited version 
of this the dvd huh?).

If JK Rowling did not in fact have a hand in the staging and filming 
of this scene, then I doubt very much that there is any such 
carefully hidden plot information within it. Not simply because of 
the lack of her influence during the filming, but also because of the 
obvious heavy-handedness of Chris Columbus while editing it 
(presumably if Rowling had in fact carefully hidden information in 
the scene, Columbus would have been told not to cut it out!).

If anyone knows of anything which actually states about Rowling's 
assistance in the filming of this sequence, please post it! 
Otherwise, I'd sadly have to retire this theory to the "highly 
unlikely" file in my mind. (I'm a big Snape fan, and the whole idea 
of this excited me, so I would very much regret have to do that.)

-- Annalisa





From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Tue Oct 21 16:53:42 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:53:42 -0000
Subject: Who blew the house up (Was:Who Was That Robed Man, Anyway? (PS)
In-Reply-To: <bn24tc+jjen@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bn3oam+306j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Annalisa Moretti" <grianne2 at y...>
wrote:
 
> The thing I find odd about the black figure myself is not simply what 
> others have stated, that it's turning away from Lily, because, like 
> several posters, I can explain that away quite easily. The first 
> thing which I find strange about it is the way in which it moves. The 
> whole sequence has been slowed down for effect by the filmmakers, but 
> Voldemort in particular moves very slowly; and this figure does not. 


I'm sorry, but I don't think this means very much. Just like the
sleeve thing, this appears to me to be just another of those little
details us fans cling to when we try to figure out what happened in
the past, since Rowling is so secretive. The difference in pacing of
the film may be nothng more than just a thing made for the effect by
the filmmakers. 

 But what *I* find 
> strange is that I don't see any white sleeve at all in this figure 
> here.
 I agree. It would have been very slim evidence even if the white
sleeve was there, but I quite frankly can't see it either. 



> But there is one major problem with this whole idea, unfortunately. I 
> don't think it really is able to stand on its own UNLESS what has 
> been mentioned in passing -- that J. K. Rowling supposedly "oversaw" 
> filming of this sequence -- is true. Because I have not been able to 
> find ANYTHING which states this at all.
> 
> This is what I've found:
> 
> http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?3454
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1594000/1594156.stm
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv_film/newsid_1664000/1664714.stm
> (There was also a CNN article that was supposed to have mentioned to 
> it linked on TLC but the article seems to have disappeared from the 
> website.)
> 
> None of these articles state that the sequence was "overseen" by 
> Rowling. They state that she *wrote* the scene (which I think, 
> furthermore, actually means that she wrote the source material for 
> the scene, that is, a scene which was intended for the book but which 
> was edited about and which she gave to Steve Kloves to incorporate 
> into the script).

Good research job!! I also remember Rowling saying that she rewrote
the first chapter of PS a lot of times, each time taking something
out,because she realized she had given away too much of the plot in
the opening chapter already. I seriously doubt she would let a lot of
very vital plot information be displayed in the first film already
then. Now that I have thought about it, I think that the only strange
thing here is the fact that the house was not blown up by the green
light that must have been the Avada Kadavra that took away Voldemort's
power - we see him  pointing at Harry just before we see the green
light shining out through the windows from the inside of the house.
The attempted murder on Harry happpened inside the house then. But we
know from canon that the Avada Kadavra doesn't blow up houses, it only
kills people. So who or what blew the house up after Voldemort lost
his powers????

Torill

Torill




From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Tue Oct 21 20:58:57 2003
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:58:57 -0000
Subject: Charlie Weasley cast 
Message-ID: <bn46mh+3235@eGroups.com>

On mugglenet there is a link to call sheets from POA. On the very 
bottom of the first call sheet is someone named Alex Crockford listed 
as Charlie Weasley for the part with the Weasley family photo in 
Egypt.

Hickengruendler




From joj at rochester.rr.com  Tue Oct 21 21:10:13 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:10:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Charlie Weasley cast
References: <bn46mh+3235@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001401c39817$b8648110$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>





  On mugglenet there is a link to call sheets from POA. On the very 
  bottom of the first call sheet is someone named Alex Crockford listed 
  as Charlie Weasley for the part with the Weasley family photo in 
  Egypt.

  Hickengruendler


       
       
        I saw that, but there are alot of errors on them.  They spell Ginny "Ginnie".  They call Bonnie Wright  "Bonnie Weasley"  and they call George Weasley "Oliver Weasley".  It also says Harry calls Aunt Marge "an old hag".  I hope not.  His actions speak much louder than words.

        Joj 



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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Oct 22 01:57:45 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:57:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Charlie Weasley cast
References: <bn46mh+3235@eGroups.com> <001401c39817$b8648110$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <00a701c3983f$e374cc70$4ba1cdd1@RVotaw>

Joj wrote:

>
>         I saw that, but there are alot of errors on them.  They spell
Ginny "Ginnie".  They call Bonnie
> Wright  "Bonnie Weasley"  and they call George Weasley "Oliver Weasley".
It also says Harry calls
> Aunt Marge "an old hag".  I hope not.  His actions speak much louder than
words.

Keep in mind these are call sheets, not scripts of any sort.  They simply
give a brief overview, and typos are quite common, they're just a guide for
times and such, not reviewed for typos.

Also, it doesn't say harry calls Aunt Marge "an old hag."  It says she is an
old hag.  Which she is. :)  I think it's basically giving the overview of
the feel from the scene, not any part of the script that will actually be
said.  I have a number of these and after looking over them, that's the
general impression I get.

Richelle







From joj at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 22 03:11:36 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:11:36 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Charlie Weasley cast
References: <bn46mh+3235@eGroups.com> <001401c39817$b8648110$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> <00a701c3983f$e374cc70$4ba1cdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <000801c3984a$3401c940$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>





  Joj wrote:

  >
  >         I saw that, but there are alot of errors on them.  They spell
  Ginny "Ginnie".  They call Bonnie
  > Wright  "Bonnie Weasley"  and they call George Weasley "Oliver Weasley".
  It also says Harry calls
  > Aunt Marge "an old hag".  I hope not.  His actions speak much louder than
  words.

  Keep in mind these are call sheets, not scripts of any sort.  They simply
  give a brief overview, and typos are quite common, they're just a guide for
  times and such, not reviewed for typos.

  Also, it doesn't say harry calls Aunt Marge "an old hag."  It says she is an
  old hag.  Which she is. :)  I think it's basically giving the overview of
  the feel from the scene, not any part of the script that will actually be
  said.  I have a number of these and after looking over them, that's the
  general impression I get.

  Richelle


  Oh, well, that's cool.  They are interesting.  I'll take any crumb of information I can get.
  Joj



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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Oct 22 03:13:58 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:13:58 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Charlie Weasley cast
References: <bn46mh+3235@eGroups.com> <001401c39817$b8648110$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> <00a701c3983f$e374cc70$4ba1cdd1@RVotaw> <000801c3984a$3401c940$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <011201c3984a$898c6ff0$4ba1cdd1@RVotaw>

Joj wrote:

>
>   Oh, well, that's cool.  They are interesting.  I'll take any crumb of
information I can get.

Me too, which is why I've been drooling over these call sheets for ages. :)
There are a few spoilers in some, I guess, but I figure I know the basic
premise of the movie anyway, so it's not like anything major is ruined.

Richelle






From siriuslove71 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 16:09:03 2003
From: siriuslove71 at yahoo.com (Diana_Sirius_fan)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:09:03 -0000
Subject: Snape at Godric's Hollow
Message-ID: <bn6a2v+mc7u@eGroups.com>

There has been a lot of speculation about Snape being at Godric's 
hollow the night that Lily and James were killed.  I didn't think 
about this at all until I started reading these posts.  I then went 
back and read SS and there is a line in there that would fit this 
movie theory.  Harry is having a dream and he is wearing Prof. 
Quirrell's turban which is talking to him, telling him to transfer 
to Slytherin.  Malfoy is laughing, but Malfoy turns into Snape.  
Harry then hears a high cold laugh then a flash of green light. 
(sorry, don't have the book in front of me to know exact words.) 
Probably Snape and Voldie were both there and this is what Harry is 
remembering in his dreams. Of course, in the book we couldn't see 
the actual sleeve and scene so maybe that is why JK wanted it to be 
in the movie, to give us a little hint.   
   Diana




From cwood at tattersallpub.com  Wed Oct 22 20:01:29 2003
From: cwood at tattersallpub.com (mstattersall)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:01:29 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge
In-Reply-To: <003701c38f2e$adcd8220$beec79a5@rick>
Message-ID: <bn6nmp+1se5@eGroups.com>

I would have voted for Dawn French, if she weren't already playing 
the Fat Lady. She does wickedly sweet very well!
Ms. Tattersall





From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 12:28:32 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Gabriel Byrnes????
Message-ID: <20031023122832.61573.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com>



eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at yahoo.com> wrote:Eowynn:
 
OK so I was watching 'Trial by Jury' last night, and Gabriel Byrnes is in it.  i have seen him play good guys, bad guys, and everything in between. So, since he is from Dublin, what about him as LV.  Some make up would defiantly be needed since he ages quite well, but I think that he could really pull off that whole Dark Lord vibe. What do you think?
 
Eowynn ( probably just trying to keep the cast as good looking as long as possible.)


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From jeanico at securenet.net  Thu Oct 23 15:57:34 2003
From: jeanico at securenet.net (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:57:34 -0000
Subject: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <20031023122832.61573.qmail@web60209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bn8tpe+114f4@eGroups.com>

Did you ever see Byrne play D'artagnan in Man in the Iron Mask? He 
is so gorgeous I have a hard time picturing him as Voldemort! I 
would have seen him more in Lupin's part... Perhaps Jeremy Irons 
(who would have made a great Sirius black IMO) would be a better 
Voldermort (although he is also way handsome!)
Nicole 




From poohnpotterfan at aol.com  Thu Oct 23 21:39:47 2003
From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:39:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
Message-ID: <1D72CE21.30BD472E.9BAE8FA3@aol.com>

For me, I see Voldy as one of two actors. Either Jeremy Irons or Tim Curry would fit the bill nicely, as they're both great villians!! I've been waiting for them to cast Jeremy Irons in the series since the start, and I think he'd do justice to Voldy, but if he couldn't, I'd want Tim Curry. Just my opinion!! :)



From swmil at msn.com  Fri Oct 24 21:20:01 2003
From: swmil at msn.com (whizbee2000)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:20:01 -0000
Subject: Tim Curry
In-Reply-To: <1D72CE21.30BD472E.9BAE8FA3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <bnc521+4530@eGroups.com>

I also thought that Tim Curry would be an interesting 
possibility...although I can't get the idea of him in garter belts 
singing "Sweet Transvestite" out of my mind. He's a wonderful 
character actor though.




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Thu Oct 23 23:36:20 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:36:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Tim Curry
References: <bnc521+4530@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006f01c399bf$2f164de0$cb91aec7@rick>

from Whizbee2000:
> I also thought that Tim Curry would be an interesting
> possibility...although I can't get the idea of him in garter belts
> singing "Sweet Transvestite" out of my mind. He's a wonderful
> character actor though.
>


Iggy here:

Ya know... It seems that SOMEONE else here (*taps himself on the chin
repeatedly*) made this suggestion weeks ago...

Unfortunately, it didn't meet with very popular approval in part because
some people think he would be too campy in the roll, and isn't thin enough
anymore.  Personally, I think he'd be willing to lose the weight for the
role and would play it maliciously enough when inspired.  Besides... who
says that they won't just use the voice and either use animatronics or CGI
to create Voldemort?


Iggy McSnurd






From mpjdekker at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 01:00:48 2003
From: mpjdekker at hotmail.com (mightymaus75)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:00:48 -0000
Subject: The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
Message-ID: <bnf6c0+h07f@eGroups.com>

First, I have to confess that I haven't watched either of the movies. 
Not that I generally don't like movies, or even movie versions of my 
favourite books. More something to do with Chris Columbus and my lack 
of faith in his ability to capture the subtle humor. I hope you will 
find it in your hearts to forgive me.

As you are undoubtedly aware JKR once mentioned in an interview that 
there was a specific thing in the CoS movie which she had insisted 
the script writers keep in. Something which would turn out to be 
important in the coming books. This comment subsequently led to wild 
speculations among fans about what this thing might be and why it 
would be important. Speculation has included everything from chickens 
to crossbows to every other thing that is even briefly shown in the 
movie. Now I was wondering, is the fact that the name Riddle seems 
familiar to Harry included in the movie?

In the book the name somehow means something to him, as though Riddle 
was a friend he'd had when he was very small. Harry then dismisses 
the idea because Dudley always prevented Harry from having friends. 
The reason I ask, I have a theory that Harry at one time did actually 
have a friend named Tom Riddle. That this in fact was an imaginary 
friend only Harry could hear. In CoS Dumbledore tells Harry that 
Voldemort inadvertently transferred some of his powers the night his 
AK curse backfired. What if Voldemort transferred more than just some 
of his powers, what if he transferred a part of his mind to Harry? 
This separated part of Voldemort's mind could have been talking to 
Harry when he was little. A part of Voldemort's mind trapped inside 
Harry would also explain the strange link between Harry and 
Voldemort. (See the main book list, messages #78982, #79691, #83445, 
if you're interested in the complete theory)

So is Harry's familiarity with the name Riddle mentioned in the 
movie? If it is in the movie, how was this handled? I doubt they 
would have put Harry's thoughts word for word into dialogue. Any help 
would be greatly appreciated.

-Maus    





From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sun Oct 26 20:18:01 2003
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:18:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
References: <bnf6c0+h07f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002201c39bfe$42342d20$a29ccdd1@RVotaw>

Maus wrote:

> So is Harry's familiarity with the name Riddle mentioned in the
> movie? If it is in the movie, how was this handled? I doubt they
> would have put Harry's thoughts word for word into dialogue. Any help
> would be greatly appreciated.

You know, this is a good question, and I hadn't thought of this part before
as possibly being the part JKR insisted make it into the movie.  As for
whether it does, I think it does.  Some people may not agree with me,
though.  Let me explain.  I thought I remembered this happening, but
rewatched the scene to make sure before I sent this message.  Harry is alone
in the common room, flipping through the blank diary.  He turns it over to
the back, where he sees "Tom Marvolo Riddle."  Now, if you're watching
closely, Harry's eyes narrow and his head tilts slightly as if he's
thinking, and it looks to me like the exact expression someone would have if
they'd just seen something that seems familar, but they can't remember it.
Then he gets his quill, opens the diary, quill drips ink, ink disappears,
writes in it, and so on.

Hope that makes sense to you!

Richelle





From evil_sushi2003 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 26 20:22:57 2003
From: evil_sushi2003 at hotmail.com (evil_sushi2003)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:22:57 -0000
Subject: The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
In-Reply-To: <bnf6c0+h07f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bnhaf1+8jps@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mightymaus75" <mpjdekker at h...> 
wrote:
> The reason I ask, I have a theory that Harry at one time did 
actually 
> have a friend named Tom Riddle. That this in fact was an imaginary 
> friend only Harry could hear. In CoS Dumbledore tells Harry that 
> Voldemort inadvertently transferred some of his powers the night 
his 
> AK curse backfired. What if Voldemort transferred more than just 
some 
> of his powers, what if he transferred a part of his mind to Harry? 
> This separated part of Voldemort's mind could have been talking to 
> Harry when he was little. A part of Voldemort's mind trapped 
inside 
> Harry would also explain the strange link between Harry and 
> Voldemort. (See the main book list, messages #78982, #79691, 
#83445, 
> if you're interested in the complete theory)
> 
> So is Harry's familiarity with the name Riddle mentioned in the 
> movie? If it is in the movie, how was this handled? I doubt they 
> would have put Harry's thoughts word for word into dialogue. Any 
help 
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> -Maus

I always thought that Harry remebers the name Riddle from either the 
diary, or the trophy. Sorry, haven;t got my cannon with me, but I am 
pretty sure that the name Riddle has been mentioned at these points 
which I vaguley remeber- detention, Ron vomitting slugs, cleaning 
trophies- can't remeber if Ron told Harry or if Harry was there
- the diary belonging to Riddle

evil_sushi





From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 06:01:27 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:01:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <bn8tpe+114f4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20031027060127.53433.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>



jeanico2000 <jeanico at securenet.net> wrote:
>Did you ever see Byrne play D'artagnan in Man in the Iron Mask? He 
>is so gorgeous I have a hard time picturing him as Voldemort! I 
>would have seen him more in Lupin's part... Perhaps Jeremy Irons 
>(who would have made a great Sirius black IMO) would be a better 
>Voldermort (although he is also way handsome!)
Nicole 

 

now me Eowynn:

Sorry it took so long to respond,it seems that all I ever do is work. I did see him in The Man in the Iron Mask, he was brilliant. I have also seen him play a priest in Stigmata and the devil in End of Days. It was his role as the devil that popped into my mind when I thought of him as LV.  I guess that I never pictured LV as atrociously ugly, because he wasn't bad looking when he was younger. I guess that what I saw was the potential to be better looking if he wasn't so evil. However, putting looks aside, he is a very intense character, you are scared of him when he is angry, you're terrified when he isn't. I have only seen Jeremy Irons in one film, and I don't really know that much about him. I did go and check out some sites, and he looks the part, I just don't know his acting that well. I will have to go get some movies and check him out. Any suggestions, besides D&D. Until then I will stand behind my theory of Gabriel Byrne, remaining open to Jeremy Irons.

Eowynn 










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From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 27 06:14:05 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:14:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <1D72CE21.30BD472E.9BAE8FA3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20031027061405.22885.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>



poohnpotterfan at aol.com wrote:
For me, I see Voldy as one of two actors. Either Jeremy Irons or Tim Curry would fit the bill nicely, as they're both great villains!! I've been waiting for them to cast Jeremy Irons in the series since the start, and I think he'd do justice to Voldy, but if he couldn't, I'd want Tim Curry. Just my opinion!! :)

 

Now me Eowynn:

I can't see Tim Currey as Voldemort, but perhaps that is only because I always picture him as the funny man. Though he has had is truly evil moments, that were intense enough to qualify him as LV, but I would prefer someone else. I have only seen Jeremy Irons in one film, D&D. So I don't know enough about him to say I do or don't agree with that choice, however the photos i have seen of him, do make him physically look the part, but I am still not sold on him because of the acting.  IMO LV needs to be played with intensity, anger and hatred etched into his eyes, voice, and body. The reason why i said Gabriel Byrne was because of  his role as the devil in The Last Days, he sent chills up your spine. I know that GB can play this role with that much needed intensity. However, I am not writing Jeremy Irons off yet, I need see some of his other work. Until then, I will stay behind my evil Irish LV. 

Eowynn








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From delphislash at yahoo.ca  Mon Oct 27 06:16:15 2003
From: delphislash at yahoo.ca (delphislash)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:16:15 -0000
Subject: The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
In-Reply-To: <bnhaf1+8jps@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bnid7f+ib84@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "evil_sushi2003" 
<evil_sushi2003 at h...> wrote:

> I always thought that Harry remebers the name Riddle from either 
the 
> diary, or the trophy. Sorry, haven;t got my cannon with me, but I 
am 
> pretty sure that the name Riddle has been mentioned at these points 
> which I vaguley remeber- detention, Ron vomitting slugs, cleaning 
> trophies- can't remeber if Ron told Harry or if Harry was there
> - the diary belonging to Riddle

You know, when I read the book, I remember thinking that the name 
only sounded familiar to Harry because he had seen the trophy.  But 
now that I reread the passage, the fact that it seems like the name 
of a long-lost friend does seem like a curious way to put it.  With 
the OotP emphasis on the Harry/Voldemort connection, I'm now quite 
intrigued as to whether JKR's really going somewhere with this...

*strokes chin thoughtfully*

-Delphi





From june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 11:09:57 2003
From: june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk (junediamanti)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:09:57 -0000
Subject: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <20031027061405.22885.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bniue5+dknl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> wrote:
>The reason why i said Gabriel Byrne was because of  his role as the 
devil in The Last Days, he sent chills up your spine. I know that GB 
can play this role with that much needed intensity. However, I am not 
writing Jeremy Irons off yet, I need see some of his other work. 
Until then, I will stay behind my evil Irish LV. 
> 
> Eowynn

I'll watch Gabriel Byrne in anything - he can sit in a chair and read 
his shopping list straight to camera for me. I can barely stop gazing 
at him in "Usual Suspects". He can be nice, nasty, whatever, but he's 
just too gorgeous to be Adult Voldy - a waste of all that beauty 
under heavy red eyed make up.  Don't blame you in the least for 
wanting him in the movie though.  

June




From christin.gahnstrom at telia.com  Mon Oct 27 19:42:20 2003
From: christin.gahnstrom at telia.com (cgahnstrm)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:42:20 -0000
Subject: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <20031027061405.22885.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bnjses+dhc8@eGroups.com>

LOL! You're right in your assumption that you shouldn't judge Jeremy
Irons's acting talent from watching only D&D. He'd make a great
Voldemort, trust me. I'm sure Gabriel Byrnes would too. He even looks
 like the young Tom Riddle from CoS.

Christin



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> poohnpotterfan at a... wrote:
> For me, I see Voldy as one of two actors. Either Jeremy Irons or Tim
Curry would fit the bill nicely, as they're both great villains!! I've
been waiting for them to cast Jeremy Irons in the series since the
start, and I think he'd do justice to Voldy, but if he couldn't, I'd
want Tim Curry. Just my opinion!! :)
> 
>  
> 
> Now me Eowynn:
> 
> I can't see Tim Currey as Voldemort, but perhaps that is only
because I always picture him as the funny man. Though he has had is
truly evil moments, that were intense enough to qualify him as LV, but
I would prefer someone else. I have only seen Jeremy Irons in one
film, D&D. So I don't know enough about him to say I do or don't agree
with that choice, however the photos i have seen of him, do make him
physically look the part, but I am still not sold on him because of
the acting.  IMO LV needs to be played with intensity, anger and
hatred etched into his eyes, voice, and body. The reason why i said
Gabriel Byrne was because of  his role as the devil in The Last Days,
he sent chills up your spine. I know that GB can play this role with
that much needed intensity. However, I am not writing Jeremy Irons off
yet, I need see some of his other work. Until then, I will stay behind
my evil Irish LV. 
> 
> Eowynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Mon Oct 27 21:00:12 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:00:12 -0000
Subject: The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
In-Reply-To: <002201c39bfe$42342d20$a29ccdd1@RVotaw>
Message-ID: <bnk10s+nf2q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Richelle Votaw" <rvotaw at i...> wrote:
>
  Harry is alone
> in the common room, flipping through the blank diary.  He turns it
over to
> the back, where he sees "Tom Marvolo Riddle."  Now, if you're watching
> closely, Harry's eyes narrow and his head tilts slightly as if he's
> thinking, and it looks to me like the exact expression someone would
have if
> they'd just seen something that seems familar, but they can't
remember it.
> Then he gets his quill, opens the diary, quill drips ink, ink
disappears,
> writes in it, and so on.
> 
> Hope that makes sense to you!
> 
> Richelle


I think this is too subtle if it is to be the important clue kept in
the movie. To me it looks like he just wonders about the book in
general. I always thought the clue was Hagrid walking around in
Knockturn alley. His excuse about slug repellent always seemed lame to
me. You wouldn't need to search in shops selling items for the Dark
Arts to get a common thing like that. But what he was doing there I
don't know - I don't believe Hagrid is bad. But maybe involved in some
plot or other, maybe used by somebody, somthing that might backfire. I
used to think it might have something to do with trying to get in
contact with the giants, assuming only dark withces and wizards were
in contact with them after they were driven from the country. But the
giant thing in OotP kind of blew that theory. So now I don't know. But
I still think that scene is the clue she talks about.

Torill




From helen at odegard.com  Tue Oct 28 03:21:59 2003
From: helen at odegard.com (Helen R. Granberry)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:21:59 -0800
Subject: Clue in CoS, was The name T.M. Riddle in CoS
In-Reply-To: <bnk10s+nf2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001401c39d02$a68a6910$6401a8c0@helenw1>



>From Torill:

>I think this is too subtle if it is to be the important clue kept in
the movie. 


I agree, though I think that in the book itself, recognizing the name
Riddle may very well be significant for any of the possible reasons
people have mentioned. In the movie, the look is too subtle to be the
'big clue'. It is MUCH more obvious in the books because Harry actually
says that the name is familiar, like that of an old friend. 

One thing someone (Ixchelmala) pointed out to me, which I thought quite
fascinating, was Draco tearing the page out of a book in Flourish and
Blotts in the movie. Of course, later in the book/movie Harry figures
out what is going on by the page torn out of a book that Hermione holds
in her hand. Now, Hermione isn't the type to tear a page out of a book.
Not only that, Madam Pince supposedly puts all kinds of spells on the
books to keep them from being stolen/defaced. I don't know the exact JKR
quote, but it had something to do with the movie making this particular
clue more obvious and easy to catch. 

Helen




From lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 17:06:41 2003
From: lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Luna=20Lovegood?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:06:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes???? 
In-Reply-To: <20031027060127.53433.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031028170641.87943.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Any suggestions, besides D&D. Until then I will stand behind my theory of Gabriel Byrne, remaining open to Jeremy Irons.


 

If you want to see Jeremy Iron's acting you should watch Lolita, and to see him as Lord Voldemort you should definitely watch The time machine, there is where I realized that he is perfect for the part.

Rocio.



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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Tue Oct 28 17:45:31 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:45:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
References: <20031028170641.87943.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c39d7b$4952b080$8997aec7@rick>


>From: "Luna Lovegood"

>Any suggestions, besides D&D. Until then I will stand behind my theory of
Gabriel Byrne, remaining open to Jeremy Irons.


Iggy here:

Roles he has played that you might be interested in:

Uber-Morlock...        The Time Machine
Profion...                    Dungeons and Dragons
Father Aramis...            The Man in the Iron Mask
Humbert Humbert...    Lolita
Simon Peter Gruber...        Die Hard with a Vengience
Claus von Bulow...        Reversal of Fortune
Scar...                        The Lion King



Hope that helps...

Iggy McSnurd






From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 18:18:51 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:18:51 -0000
Subject: Thewlis
Message-ID: <bnmbub+vgnn@eGroups.com>

Looks like those of us unfamiliar with him will get to see David 
Thewlis in Timeline, a new film being released next month.  He stars 
with Paul Walker.

Science Fiction/Fantasy, Thriller and Action/Adventure 
Three students working on an archaeological dig must travel back in 
time to 14th century France to rescue their professor, an obsessive 
academician who has become trapped after venturing into his favorite 
era to study it first-hand.  
Release Date:  November 26th, 2003 (wide). 

Marci




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Oct 28 19:21:06 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:21:06 -0000
Subject: Thewlis and Jeremy Irons
Message-ID: <bnmfj2+dutf@eGroups.com>

Just peeking during lunch and thought I would add my 2 cents. 
Actually I was against Thewlis when first announced because I thought 
of him as that evil brat prince in Dragonheart. Then I had the 
opportunity to watch him in Dinotopia as Cyrus Crabbe and in Seven 
Years in Tibet - had never watched the latter film before 6 months 
ago. Anyway, his character in Dinotopia shows he is versatile BUT 
more importantly in Seven Years in Tibet his character's personality 
is more like Lupin. You know the quiet, intelligent type. So if you 
don't want to wait for Timeline - which I believe is due soon and 
looks interesting - rent or borrow a copy of Seven Years in Tibet. It 
is long but really an interesting and I believe true story about a 
gentleman who meets and befriends the Dalai Lama. 

As for Jeremy Irons... oh my God I totally agree about the Time 
Machine. I watched that with my sons and hubby and the boys and I 
immediately said 'Voldemort!' when we saw him. Pale skin and red eyes 
and everything. Go to IMDB and look him up, click on photo gallery, 
then studio stills and it is in the last set of pictures. I will try 
to paste the link but I know sometimes that doesn't work.

http://us.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0268695/Ss/0268695/CT-5349.jpg?
path=pgallery&path_key=Irons,%20Jeremy

Anyway, these are just my 2 cents on both actors. Got to get back to 
work now.

Theresa





From HMaffioli at cox.net  Tue Oct 28 21:30:55 2003
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:30:55 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis
References: <bnmbub+vgnn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c39d9a$c5503bc0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>

Hey and my top pick for Mad Eye is also in the film...Billy Connolly!

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0300556/

Heather
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marci 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:18 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis


  Looks like those of us unfamiliar with him will get to see David 
  Thewlis in Timeline, a new film being released next month.  He stars 
  with Paul Walker.

  Science Fiction/Fantasy, Thriller and Action/Adventure 
  Three students working on an archaeological dig must travel back in 
  time to 14th century France to rescue their professor, an obsessive 
  academician who has become trapped after venturing into his favorite 
  era to study it first-hand.  
  Release Date:  November 26th, 2003 (wide). 

  Marci


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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 29 01:04:32 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:04:32 -0500
Subject: Trailer
Message-ID: <000901c39db8$9d4c6a40$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>

HPANA is reporting that the trailer for POA will be shown on Nov. 14th.    http://www.hpana.com/

A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?

Joj,  who's actually considering it!!

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From odilefalaise at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 02:54:23 2003
From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:54:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Trailer
In-Reply-To: <000901c39db8$9d4c6a40$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <20031029025423.2573.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com>

If only it were a mere $7.50!!  Here in NYC, it costs
$10 to see a movie....  I'll pass for now and wait to
download it.  heh heh.  ^_^

Odile

--- joj <joj at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> HPANA is reporting that the trailer for POA will be
> shown on Nov. 14th.    http://www.hpana.com/
> 
> A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a
> trailer?
> 
> Joj,  who's actually considering it!!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:25:27 2003
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:25:27 -0000
Subject: Trailer/watching dvd/promo pic
In-Reply-To: <000901c39db8$9d4c6a40$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <bnobjn+2ue5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" <joj at r...> wrote:
> HPANA is reporting that the trailer for POA will be shown on Nov. 14th.    
http://www.hpana.com/
> 
> A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?
> 
> Joj,  who's actually considering it!!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd certainly consider it, but I probably wouldn't hang around to watch the 
movie in this case. BTW, anybody on here who knows something about the 
movie business? Who decides which trailers go with what, and is it the same 
everywhere? I haven't heard of Looney Toons premiering here in Sweden yet, 
so I guess there's a chance it won't be released here for a few months at 
least (if at all). As for trailers attached, would the same trailers come with the 
movie even when released in another country? Come to think of it, perhaps 
not. The trailers would need to match what will actually be released in that 
particular country, right. Ah well-don't bother replying to these ramblings, I'll 
just start by finding out whether Looney will actually be released here. And 
as someone pointed out, there's always the internet, and sooner or later, 
that trailer must show up on the net. Until that time, I trust I can count on 
this list to get the scoop!

BTW, just wanted to share a happy experience with people who understand:
After spending months looking at the DVD-cases on HP 1 and 2 on my 
bookshelf (I just had to have them even if I couldn't watch them) I was finally 
able to pop them into my brand new dvd-player last night! I finally had a little 
extra money to spend (and did I buy new winter boots like I should have? 
Nooooooooo....) and I spent it on a dvd-player!!!! Whoooo-hoooo! I had a 
terrific time finally, finally getting to see the extra material, and of course, the 
movies.

I was struck by how compelling they are, visually. I have been one of the 
people on here rejoicing in Cuaron's taking over as director, but I must say 
that Columbus did a fantastic job (along with Stuart Craig). Let's keep in 
mind--in spite of the things some of us are unhappy about, including myself, 
he did a remarkable feat in creating the world of Hogwarts on screen that 
many fans of the books can relate to, recognize and feel at home with. I 
found CoS particularly striking visually. It's just crammed with delicious detail 
everywhere, and creates a feeling of completeness. Everything fits together 
from the sets to props to the costumes. It's a magical environment but yet 
tangible and believable. Though Cuaron will be making some changes and 
bringin his personal touches to Harry, he will be standing on Columbus' 
shoulders. Though there will be changes, Chris Columbus' original vision will 
still be a part of it. I've changed my mind. He did a terrific job.

Can I also just say that I've just seen the new promo pic of Dan from the PoA 
set? I'd really like one (hrm), I tought it was so nice, but can I really justify 
writing just to get one? (Who would know, though, except you people now, 
but you don't really know who I am anyway....cackles madly and rubs hands 
in a sinister fashion.) 

Sophia






From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 12:58:33 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 04:58:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <002401c39d7b$4952b080$8997aec7@rick>
Message-ID: <20031029125833.14082.qmail@web60204.mail.yahoo.com>



Iggy McSnurd <coyoteschild at peoplepc.com> wrote:

>From: "Luna Lovegood"

>Any suggestions, besides D&D. Until then I will stand behind my theory of
Gabriel Byrne, remaining open to Jeremy Irons.


Iggy here:

Roles he has played that you might be interested in:

Uber-Morlock...        The Time Machine
Profion...                    Dungeons and Dragons
Father Aramis...            The Man in the Iron Mask
Humbert Humbert...    Lolita
Simon Peter Gruber...        Die Hard with a Vengience
Claus von Bulow...        Reversal of Fortune
Scar...                        The Lion King



Hope that helps...

Iggy McSnurd

 

Now me Eowynn:

Thankyou for the list. Looks like I will be having a Jeremy Irons night. And it just so happens that some of the movies listed above were ones that I wanted to see, just never had the chance.

Thanks again

Eowynn









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From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 13:02:31 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:02:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <20031028170641.87943.qmail@web86108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20031029130231.28642.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com>



Luna Lovegood <lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Any suggestions, besides D&D. Until then I will stand behind my theory of Gabriel Byrne, remaining open to Jeremy Irons.




If you want to see Jeremy Iron's acting you should watch Lolita, and to see him as Lord Voldemort you should definitely watch The time machine, there is where I realized that he is perfect for the part.

Rocio.

 

Now me Eowynn:

I have this feeling that I will soon find  myself torn between two great actors that could play this role quite well. I guess the first movie to see would be the time machine. I did see a photo of him in that and it was a little creepy, but since it wasn't really the looks I was having a hard time with but the acting, I will need to see if he can creep out while acting as well as in the photo.

Eowynn








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From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 13:06:12 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:06:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <bniue5+dknl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20031029130612.29643.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com>



junediamanti <june.diamanti at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> wrote:
>The reason why i said Gabriel Byrne was because of  his role as the 
devil in The Last Days, he sent chills up your spine. I know that GB 
can play this role with that much needed intensity. However, I am not 
writing Jeremy Irons off yet, I need see some of his other work. 
Until then, I will stay behind my evil Irish LV. 
> 
> Eowynn

I'll watch Gabriel Byrne in anything - he can sit in a chair and read 
his shopping list straight to camera for me. I can barely stop gazing 
at him in "Usual Suspects". He can be nice, nasty, whatever, but he's 
just too gorgeous to be Adult Voldy - a waste of all that beauty 
under heavy red eyed make up.  Don't blame you in the least for 
wanting him in the movie though.  

June

Now me Eowynn;

So if he isn't put in as LV (which IMO he could do) could we fit him in anywhere else? And yes, I agree I could watch him in anything, he wouldn't even need to speak just sit there, looking straight into the camera. Though the accent does add a little more appeal.

Eowynn









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From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 13:13:23 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 05:13:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
In-Reply-To: <bnjses+dhc8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20031029131323.82404.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>

eowynn wrote:
 
I am glad that some one else noticed the similarities between the looks of the actors. I know that Gabriel Byrne isn't the only one that could do this part, and maybe he isn't the best choice. I just may be really stubborn, and not wanting to give up on him being in the movie. I think he would make agreat addition to the allready amazing adult cast. Plus he kind of reminds me of Alan Rickman, who is a DE. I will still check out more on Jeremy Irons, first movie Time Machine.
Eowynn

cgahnstrm <christin.gahnstrom at telia.com> wrote:
LOL! You're right in your assumption that you shouldn't judge Jeremy
Irons's acting talent from watching only D&D. He'd make a great
Voldemort, trust me. I'm sure Gabriel Byrnes would too. He even looks
like the young Tom Riddle from CoS.

Christin


Eowynn wrote:
 <snip> I have only seen Jeremy Irons in one
film, D&D. So I don't know enough about him to say I do >or don't agree
with that choice, however the photos i have seen of him, >do make him
physically look the part, but I am still not sold on him >because of
the acting.  IMO LV needs to be played with intensity, >anger and
hatred etched into his eyes, voice, and body. The reason >why i said
Gabriel Byrne was because of  his role as the devil in >The Last Days,
he sent chills up your spine. I know that GB can play >this role with
that much needed intensity. However, I am not writing >Jeremy Irons off
yet, I need see some of his other work. Until then, I >will stay behind
my evil Irish LV. 
> 
> Eowynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




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From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Wed Oct 29 14:05:56 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:05:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gabriel Byrnes????
References: <20031029130231.28642.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004701c39e25$c6bd9e40$de85aec7@rick>

>
> If you want to see Jeremy Iron's acting you should watch Lolita, and to
see him as Lord Voldemort you should definitely watch The time machine,
there is where I realized that he is perfect for the part.
>
> Rocio.
>


Iggy here:

Funny thing is, I just finally saw The Time Machine about two weeks ago on
HBO, and didn't even realize that the Uber-Morlock was played by Jeremy
Irons until you mentioned it here...


Iggy McSnurd






From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 20:30:31 2003
From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:30:31 -0000
Subject: Kenneth Branagh in CoS
Message-ID: <bnp817+82r2@eGroups.com>

Hi all,

for some reason I seem to be getting in touch with my sinistral side
lately. Anyway, checking out www.anythinglefthanded.co.uk I realised
that at least four left-handers have been cast in the HP films -- Rik
Mayall (whose scenes seem to constantly end up on the cutting-room
floor), Kenneth Branagh, Gary Oldman and Emma Thompson.

So I started to wonder, is there any left-handed HP freak out there
who has already analysed Branagh's scenes in Chamber of Secrets to
find out which hand he holds his wand in? 

Alshain




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Oct 29 21:16:50 2003
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:16:50 -0000
Subject: OT: Dan Radcliffe's fanmail
Message-ID: <bnpao2+hgmc@eGroups.com>

I know several weeks ago Sophia told us about her wonderful treat 
from Dan after sending him something and she was speculating whether 
it was really from him or if a WB person helped. Well, the following 
link was on danradcliffe.co.uk website (they are a wonderful group of 
people who keep us up to date on Dan and what is real and what is 
rumor) to a letter from Alan Radcliffe and I think it shows that he 
does indeed have help but he composes the letters himself - I think 
he dad called them newsletters. Anyway these newsletters that he 
writes every three months are about his current activities and 
supposedly he is going to compile a FAQ list too. So, Sophia it 
sounds like your treat did indeed come from him, he just figured out 
a way to have like a little assembly line of goodies to send fans. 
Smart young man, our beloved Daniel is (his parents too). Anyway, 
here is the link to his dad's message if anyone is interested. It 
also has the proper 2 mailing addresses to be used to send Dan 
fanmail.

http://www.danradcliffe.co.uk/alan_letter.htm

Theresa




From amani at charter.net  Wed Oct 29 22:58:02 2003
From: amani at charter.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:58:02 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Kenneth Branagh in CoS
References: <bnp817+82r2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c39e70$1b59c6a0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Alshain:
So I started to wonder, is there any left-handed HP freak out there
who has already analysed Branagh's scenes in Chamber of Secrets to
find out which hand he holds his wand in? 

Taryn:
Well, I'm not a left-handed HP freak, but you did inspire me to look. So far, I've found he holds it with his right hand. Here're some pictures:

Right:
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2002/11/Dueling.jpg
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2002/10/TotalFilmLuciusGilderoy.jpg
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/2002/old/COSHiResLockhart.jpg

He does hold it in his left for a moment in the Cornish Pixies scene, but I think that's just because he's removing the covering of the cage with his right hand.

I am missing pictures from some other scenes (like Lockhart trying to cast the spell in the cornish pixie scene, and him attempting to wipe Harry and Ron's memories), but he DOES use his right hand for the dueling scene, at least.

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From faura2002 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 13:19:36 2003
From: faura2002 at yahoo.com (faura2002)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:19:36 -0000
Subject: Jeremy Irons the actor [WAS: Gabriel Byrnes????]
In-Reply-To: <20031029130231.28642.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bnr358+dls0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> wrote:

 I have this feeling that I will soon find  myself torn between two 
great actors that could play this role quite well. I guess the first 
movie to see would be the time machine. I did see a photo of him in 
that and it was a little creepy, but since it wasn't really the looks 
I was having a hard time with but the acting, I will need to see if 
he can creep out while acting as well as in the photo.
> 
> Eowynn


ME: [delurking]

Acting wise, Jeremy Irons won't disappoint you. Aside from the 
glowing reviews he got from most of his films, he bagged a Golden 
Globe Award AND AN OSCAR for Best Actor in 1990 for his role in 
Reversal of Fortune.

He was also quite creepy in The Time Machine. 

Ya, i think you should also watch The Man in the Iron Mask starring 
Leonardo di Caprio. Gabriel Byrnes is also featured as d'Artagnan 
with Jeremy as Aramis.

I'd also recommend M. Butterfly.

I was hoping that he could have been chosen as Lupin; he would have 
been perfect.

oh well.

cheers!

faura





From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no  Thu Oct 30 17:17:10 2003
From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:17:10 -0000
Subject: Trailer/watching dvd/promo pic
In-Reply-To: <bnobjn+2ue5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <bnrh2m+q9e6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> wrote:

> 
>" BTW, just wanted to share a happy experience with people who
understand:
> After spending months looking at the DVD-cases on HP 1 and 2 on my 
> bookshelf (I just had to have them even if I couldn't watch them) I
was finally  able to pop them into my brand new dvd-player last night!" 

"Whoooo-hoooo! I had a 
> terrific time finally, finally getting to see the extra material,
and of course, the 
> movies."
> 
>  "I must say 
> that Columbus did a fantastic job (along with Stuart Craig). Let's
keep in 
> mind--in spite of the things some of us are unhappy about, including
myself, 
> he did a remarkable feat in creating the world of Hogwarts on screen
that 
> many fans of the books can relate to, recognize and feel at home
with. I 
> found CoS particularly striking visually. It's just crammed with
delicious detail 
> everywhere, and creates a feeling of completeness. Everything fits
together 
> from the sets to props to the costumes. It's a magical environment
but yet 
> tangible and believable. Though Cuaron will be making some changes and 
> bringin his personal touches to Harry, he will be standing on Columbus' 
> shoulders. Though there will be changes, Chris Columbus' original
vision will 
> still be a part of it. I've changed my mind. He did a terrific job."


Those things you mention are just the things I think make the films
worth seeing too, Sophia, along with the casting and acting. But I
don't think it's enough to say Columbus did a terrific job, sorry.
Stuart Craig did a terrific job, absolutely, he deserves all honour.
And I'm willing to give Columbus some part in that honour too, because
I suppose he took part in all the discussions and decisions about the
creation of the Hogwarts sets. I salute him for that!!! 

BUT- somehow this makes me even more disappointed about the films.
With a terrific background like this, and such wonderful spot on
casting - how could you make the films to be so mediocre as films go?
   When it all could have been just SO beautiful with a real talent at
the helm? That's why my hopes are so high for Cuar?n, to think of the
work he has done earlier and then imagine him let loose to play with
his creative camera in these wonderful surroundings!! (And just the
reason why I'm in for the biggest disappointment ever if he chooses
this one to flop with - then you better run fast, Alfonso!!)

 
>" Can I also just say that I've just seen the new promo pic of Dan
from the PoA 
> set? I'd really like one (hrm), I tought it was so nice, but can I
really justify 
> writing just to get one? (Who would know, though, except you people
now, 
> but you don't really know who I am anyway....cackles madly and rubs
hands 
> in a sinister fashion.) 
> 
> Sophia"

Why not Sophia? I will soon approach the grandmother age myself, but I
still get this warm fuzzy feeling when I look at pictures of Dan or
watch him in interviews. He is just too cute to be real. Makes me wish
I had a son like him, or that I had fallen in love with someone like
him at the age of 14, when instead I was embarking on a sad teenage
journy through a string of the most hopeless of dates till I finally
learned what I needed. So you go for it girl, send him a letter and
get your pic, no harm in that is there? You just tell it's the pic you
want, chances are he will never even read your letter anyway. 

Torill




From eowynn_24 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 21:12:16 2003
From: eowynn_24 at yahoo.com (eowynn_24)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:12:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Jeremy Irons the actor [WAS: Gabriel Byrnes????]
In-Reply-To: <bnr358+dls0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20031030211216.83826.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com>



faura2002 <faura2002 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, eowynn_24 <eowynn_24 at y...> wrote:

I have this feeling that I will soon find  myself torn between two 
great actors that could play this role quite well.<snip>  Eowynn


>ME: [delurking]

Acting wise, Jeremy Irons won't disappoint you. Aside >from the 
glowing reviews he got from most of his films, he bagged >a Golden 
Globe Award AND AN OSCAR for Best Actor in 1990 for his >role in 
Reversal of Fortune.

>He was also quite creepy in The Time Machine. 

>Ya, i think you should also watch The Man in the Iron Mask starring 
>Leonardo di Caprio. Gabriel Byrnes is also featured as d'Artagnan 
>with Jeremy as Aramis.

>I'd also recommend M. Butterfly.

>I was hoping that he could have been chosen as Lupin; he would have 
>been perfect.

>oh well.

>cheers!

>faura


Now Me Eowynn:

You know I have seen the Man in the Iron Mask, so that I could see Gabriel Byrne, and I didn't realise that was Jeremy Irons. He did quite well in that role. I also had the opportunity to see the Time Machine, and as I predicted, I am torn. AHHHHHH! Oh well I guess that as long as one of them are put in as LV and the other some how finds his way into the movie, I will be happy. I still think I prefer GB over JI though...hmmm? Lots to think about, maybe I will watch M. Butterfly.

Thanks

Eowynn (:sooo confused :)






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From hebrideanblack at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 00:03:57 2003
From: hebrideanblack at earthlink.net (Hebby Elf)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:03:57 -0000
Subject: ADMIN: Halloween Fun in OTChatter
Message-ID: <bns8td+jv5c@eGroups.com>

Please forgive this brief interruption of our movie dicussion, but 
we wanted to let you know that . . . 

You are cordially invited to the Halloween Fun going on now at 
OTChatter! 

Threaten us not with tricks - you can find our treats in our 
Halloween Mixer (see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-
OTChatter/message/19207). But that's not all - we hope the spirits 
will move you to enter our Halloween Costume Contest (see 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-OTChatter/message/19186). 

Here's to Halloween Happenings at Harry Potter for Grownups! Hope to 
see you there.

<raises mugs of spiced butterbeer> 

Sincerely,

OWLTREAT (Our Wizarding Leaders: Terrifying Rampantly Eerie Admin 
Team)





From Erthena at aol.com  Fri Oct 31 00:35:45 2003
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:35:45 -0000
Subject: Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <001301c39d9a$c5503bc0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net>
Message-ID: <bnsap1+gq4a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 
<HMaffioli at c...> wrote:
> Hey and my top pick for Mad Eye is also in the film...Billy 
Connolly!
> 
OMG!!  I never thought of him but he's just great!  I love him in 
Muppet Treasure Island (don't give me those looks you liked it too), 
he plays Billy Bones just perfectly and it's not too much of a jusmp 
from there to Mad Eye...

~~loony




From Erthena at aol.com  Fri Oct 31 00:37:46 2003
From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:37:46 -0000
Subject: Trailer
In-Reply-To: <000901c39db8$9d4c6a40$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <bnsasq+s26q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" <joj at r...> wrote:
> HPANA is reporting that the trailer for POA will be shown on Nov. 
14th.    http://www.hpana.com/
> 
> A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?
> 
> Joj,  who's actually considering it!!
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm going, but I'll go early so the ticket will only cost $5 or so.  
I don't know if I'll stay to see the movie though.
~~loony




From coyoteschild at peoplepc.com  Fri Oct 31 00:42:31 2003
From: coyoteschild at peoplepc.com (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:42:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer
References: <bnsasq+s26q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c39f47$df08dbe0$b3e379a5@rick>



> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" <joj at r...> wrote:
> > HPANA is reporting that the trailer for POA will be shown on Nov. 
> 14th.    http://www.hpana.com/
> > 
> > A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?
> > 
> > Joj,  who's actually considering it!!
> > 
> I'm going, but I'll go early so the ticket will only cost $5 or so.  
> I don't know if I'll stay to see the movie though.
> ~~loony


Iggy here:

I've been meaning to ask... *What*movie is it going to be shown with?

Iggy McSnurd

 




From joj at rochester.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 01:02:23 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:02:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer
References: <bnsasq+s26q@eGroups.com> <001f01c39f47$df08dbe0$b3e379a5@rick>
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Iggy here:

I've been meaning to ask... *What*movie is it going to be shown with?

Iggy McSnurd



 Joj:   Looney Toons!  (Yuk)   I'm trying to figure out the least guilt-inducing way of seeing this trailer.  The movie looks horrrible!

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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 02:02:49 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:02:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer
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  Joj:   Looney Toons!  (Yuk)   I'm trying to figure out the least guilt-inducing way of seeing this trailer.  The movie looks horrrible!

  Added:  Sorry!  Looney Tunes looks horrible, not POA!

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From karleigh77 at angelfire.com  Fri Oct 31 09:45:47 2003
From: karleigh77 at angelfire.com (Karla L. Rasnake)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:45:47 -0500
Subject: PoA Trailer - One Option
Message-ID: <JGLDIKIKIJALDCAA@angelfire.com>

Hello,

I've lurked here forever, but I don't believe I've ever posted before.  I'll attempt to keep this from veering too far OT, but, for those of you who aren't thrilled with the idea of sitting through Looney Toons, I'm a theatre employee with possible solutions . . . 

Go buy a ticket to something you'd like to watch, and then ask to speak with a theatre manager.  I'm an assistant manager, and I've had plenty of instances when customers have approached me because they have been dying to see a trailer (but not the movie it's attached to).  As long as the customers have a ticket to something and they come to me about it instead of sneaking around the theatre on their own, I always let them pop into the theatre where their anticipated trailer is playing  before they go into the movie they bought tickets for.  Most theatres will want to keep their customers happy, so they should be glad to help you out with something small like this, especially if you're already there to watch another movie.  

If you're really intent on not staying, another option (sure to be less popular with the theatre staff) might be to buy the ticket, stay through the trailer, and then get a refund (my theatre chain doesn't have restrictions on this, but I know *some* of them do, particularly for highly anticipated trailers like Harry Potter, so you may want to check into that before pursuing this option).

Also, someone asked about trailer placement -- most trailers that go on a movie (for my theatre, at least) are assigned by our corporate office, but the last trailer is almost always attached.  It's usually from the same studio as the movie you're watching (in this case, PoA and Looney Toons are both WB) and if there is an attached trailer, it's attached to *all* prints of the movie.  I *believe* this is true even outside the US, but I'm not absolutely certain.  Since PoA has been announced as the attached, it's a good bet that as long as your theatre gets Looney Toons, they'll be playing the PoA trailer. 

Hope some of this has been helpful!

-projectionista:)


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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 19:15:45 2003
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:15:45 -0000
Subject: Trailer
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Message-ID: <bnucd1+36ak@eGroups.com>

"joj" <joj at r...> wrote:
> 

>   Joj:   Looney Toons!  (Yuk)   I'm trying to figure out the least 
guilt-inducing way of seeing this trailer.  The movie looks horrrible!
> 
>   Added:  Sorry!  Looney Tunes looks horrible, not POA!
> 
Me:

I have to ask one question.  Are you all certain that Looney is the 
movie the POA trailer is attached to????  I could have sworn I heard 
WB changed this and was adding it to The Last Samurai (not Matrix 
Revolutions I think).  Is my thinking wrong?  Certainly these two 
movies will draw a lot more attention than Looney (cuz it certainly 
ain't no Roger Rabbit).  Or did they not want to wait?

Marci




From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Fri Oct 31 19:34:06 2003
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:34:06 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Trailer
Message-ID: <v01540b00bbc5e47f9c59@[217.154.253.98]>

Joj said:-

>> A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?

I thought that maybe I could go to a multiplex, find a movie which starts
at the same time as the Loony Tunes one, buy a ticket for that and sneak
into Loony Tunes for the trailer, then head for 'my' movie.
Just an idea.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Fri Oct 31 19:36:29 2003
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:36:29 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] For the Brits on the list
Message-ID: <v01540b00bbc86a0431ef@[217.154.251.87]>

I see that Emma Thompson is one of the guests on Parkinson tomorrow night.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From joj at rochester.rr.com  Fri Oct 31 20:31:15 2003
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:31:15 -0500
Subject: preview of trailer?
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http://www.hpana.com/

They apparently have a step-by-step of the trailer.  I don't know if it's real, but I'm still pretty excited.  It would be awesome to see Snape-as-Neville's-granny in two weeks!

Joj

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From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Fri Oct 31 20:57:54 2003
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (jazmyn)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:57:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Trailer
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I am placing my bets that there will be a trailer during 'Brother Bear', 
which I an seeing anyways.

Jazmyn

nicholas at adelanta.co.uk wrote:
> Joj said:-
> 
>  >> A show of hands...who's going to pay $7.50 to see a trailer?
> 
> I thought that maybe I could go to a multiplex, find a movie which starts
> at the same time as the Loony Tunes one, buy a ticket for that and sneak
> into Loony Tunes for the trailer, then head for 'my' movie.
> Just an idea.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicholas
> 
>





From mhuber92211 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 23:10:50 2003
From: mhuber92211 at yahoo.com (Matt Huber)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:10:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Trailer
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Ummm...Matrix is a WB movie but the studios have little to say about their trailers.  Each individual theater makes the choice of how to "build" their films.  This is why you see several in front of shorter movies and not so many in front of longer movies.  The prupose of trailers also give the theater owner easier timeslots.  As opposed to a film beginning at 12:03 it starts at 12:10 becuase of trailers.  Since each trailer is of a different length, the total time of each trailer is taken into account as well.
 
Now there are many situations where the "premiere" of a trailer occurs in conjuction of a film, ala the Adams Family with MC Hammer back in the day, but after the original release, the trailer was also attached to several other films.



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