Analysis of the flashback scene in PS/SS film

[Scully931]

Ooo... what a great theory! Even if it's not correct, I still love 
it! I can't believe I never noticed the hand couldn't belong to 
Voldemort. You know, I come to think of it, I can't believe I never 
thought there could have been more to the night they were killed 
than what we know! Oh, I hope it's true, and not just some stupid 
editing thing. 

As for the credits, are we certain all the people listed as 
Voldemort, He Who Must Not Be Named, etc. are real people? Not being 
British, I'm not especially familar with the names. I do know that 
director's/screenwriters, etc. have a certain name they use when 
wanting to remain anonymous. (Can't think of the name though) Is it 
possible, these some name listed isn't an actual person? Tried as I 
might, I couldn't make any of the names switch around as in "I am 
Lord Voldemort"/Tom Riddle.

Deborah

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jotwo2003" <jsummerill at s...> 
wrote:
> This isn't my theory, but I've picked it up and I'm running with 
it.
> 
> It's about the flashback in the PS/SS film.  I saw the film before 
> entering fandom so I didn't know people had argued that there's 
> something odd about it, and it's not telling us the whole story.  
> Plus it's over too quickly to register everything on first 
viewing.  
> 
> However, I later read discussions that pointed out that it's 
strange 
> that you only see the arm of the person standing in front of 
> Geraldine Somerville as Lily, holding baby Harry.  We just assume 
> it's James from Robbie Coltrane's voiceover.  (There is also a 
rumour 
> that JKR requested that James' face should not be shown, but I 
don't 
> know the source of this.)
> 
> Another rumour is that the hand of the unseen person belongs to 
Alan 
> Rickman.  Fans have said it looks like his hand by comparing it 
with 
> the way he pulls his hand out of his robe in the first potions 
class 
> scene.  I'm sad enough to compare these 2 scenes but to be honest 
> it's not conclusive either way, at least not to me.
> 
> I noticed in re-watching the flashback something that may be 
> significant about the wand used in this scene.  We see it opening 
the 
> door, killing Lily and pointing at baby Harry.  The wand is 
black.  
> Could it be - Snape's wand?  Snape's wand is jet black on the HP 
> collector cards.  Alan Rickman uses a black wand in the duelling 
club 
> scene in the COS film.
> 
> I'm not suggesting for one moment that Snape murdered Lily.  It's 
> been stated so many times in canon that Voldemort killed Harry's 
> parents and they come out of Voldemort's wand in GOF.  Also, 
> archetypally, the villain has to be the killer of the hero's 
> parents.  
> 
> However, if it is Snape's wand then it could be evidence that Alan 
> Rickman was involved in the filming of this scene.  When 
filmmakers 
> don't want to give away plot twists they often shoot alternative 
> scenes including the same actors.  (For instance, in a British 
soap, 
> Eastenders, to preserve suspense about a tug of love storyline and 
a 
> character's disappearance they shot a variety of endings.  In one, 
> the father, Phil Mitchell, pushed his ex-girlfriend off a cliff; 
in 
> another she slipped and died in an accident; and in the version 
> actually used he snatched the baby and left her upset but alive.)
> 
> Therefore it would not be unique if the HP production team shot 
> different versions of the flashback.  Alan Rickman could have been 
> playing the character standing in front of Lily (presumably his 
usual 
> role as Snape).  He could also have doubled up as the character 
> AK'ing Lily (Voldemort).
> 
> Someone with the user name of Lily Snape also posted on one of the 
> Snape yahoo groups that the hand of the cloaked figure pointing 
the 
> wand at Geraldine Somerville seemed to have a black sleeve, with 
> white at the cuff, which would fit Snape's costume.
> 
> The argument that I have seen that Alan Rickman couldn't be in the 
> flashback because, if this were leaked, it would ruin the plot 
> doesn't hold up if the filmmakers shot multiple scenes. 
> 
> There is further evidence that all in not as it seems in the 
> credits.  The cast is credited in order of appearance.  However, 
the 
> actor playing James Potter, Adrian Rawlins, is not credited next 
to 
> Geraldine Somerville.  He is credited much further down the cast 
> list, above Firenze.  This implies that he did not act with her in 
> the flashback and that he only appeared in the Mirror of Erised 
> scene.  Voldemort is the last character in the credits, and is 
played 
> by Ian Hart.  This shows that this only refers to the climax when 
> Voldemort was revealed on the back of Quirrell's head.  There is 
> another character included in the cast called He Who Must Not Be 
> Named.  This character was played by Richard Bremmer and is 
credited 
> directly below Geraldine Somerville.  This makes it seem that this 
> character is the robed figure walking up to the house and who 
kills 
> Lily.  However, I think the film makers are hiding something 
because 
> on the imdb site it states that Richard Bremmer appeared as voice 
> only in PS/SS.  We only heard the voice of Voldemort during 
Harry's 
> confrontation with Quirrell, not in the flashback.
> 
> The black wand, the black sleeve with white edging, the 
> inconsistencies in the credits, all these make me think that the 
> filmmakers are hiding something.  Either they are slipping in 
clues 
> provided by JKR, who is rumoured to have written the flashback 
> herself, or they did not expect that the film would be analysed in 
> such detail and have let slip a plot twist.
> 
> I am now 99% sure that Alan Rickman is in the flashback, in his 
> normal role as Snape, trying to protect Lily, and that fans have 
> guessed correctly that Snape was there on the night the Potters 
were 
> killed.
> 
> I think I'm right.  Of course, we'll only know for sure when book 
7 
> is published.  In the meantime, does anyone have any comments?
> 
> JoTwo