From maris at myhome.net Tue Sep 2 05:22:27 2003 From: maris at myhome.net (Snuffles) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 05:22:27 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? Message-ID: I am wanting to write to Warner Brothers, via snail mail, and wonder if anyone has a snail mail address for them; and more particularly, does anyone have a 'name' to whom to address this missive -- someone connected with the Harry Potter movies? Thanks. An email address would be useful, also -- but snail mail does sometimes get attention, especially since internet email has become so popular. Snuffles She brought Her Own Sun within Her. From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 2 17:03:27 2003 From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) Date: 2 Sep 2003 17:03:27 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie Message-ID: <1062522207.467.16353.w7@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-Movie group: How would you like JKR to write a character (preferrably a bald male evil DADA teacher) for Patrick Stewart to play? o I would like that o I wouldn't like that To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11225275 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From tmarends at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 20:07:02 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:07:02 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie In-Reply-To: <1062522207.467.16353.w7@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I think Stewart is a good enough actor to be able to play any role believably. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > HPFGU-Movie group: > > How would you like JKR to write a > character (preferrably a bald male evil > DADA teacher) for Patrick Stewart to > play? > > o I would like that > o I wouldn't like that > > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11225275 > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! From glcherry at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 2 20:46:02 2003 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (stardancerofas) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:46:02 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart Message-ID: Okay, I took the poll, but I have one question. Why would we need a role written specifically for Patrick Stewart? Now, before you jump all over me, hear me out. While I am not a fan of the man, I can recognize his ability. Meaning, that I don't think a role should be written 'specifically' for him, he's such a talented actor that hair, or lack thereof shouldn't matter. See what I mean? Mr. Stewart can play any role (with or without hair) that he wants to. I've seen him in comedy, drama, (I'm not sure what Dune was classified as, but to me it was Horror, as in horrorible to watch). Lorrie From odilefalaise at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 20:56:00 2003 From: odilefalaise at yahoo.com (Odile Falaise) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030902205600.36044.qmail@web13113.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with what Lorrie wrote (see below.) On the one hand, I believe JKR has people in mind when she writes certain characters - for example, didn't she say that she pictured Maggie Smith as Professor MacGonagall? I do it too, when I write: it's fun to rip pages out of magazines and make up stories about the people in them, be they a famous person or an anonymous model or whoever. I would prefer it if she just wrote the books for the books' sake, and not with the film in mind. But that's just my opinion. ^_^ Odile stardancerofas wrote: Okay, I took the poll, but I have one question. Why would we need a role written specifically for Patrick Stewart? Now, before you jump all over me, hear me out. While I am not a fan of the man, I can recognize his ability. Meaning, that I don't think a role should be written 'specifically' for him, he's such a talented actor that hair, or lack thereof shouldn't matter. See what I mean? Mr. Stewart can play any role (with or without hair) that he wants to. I've seen him in comedy, drama, (I'm not sure what Dune was classified as, but to me it was Horror, as in horrorible to watch). Lorrie Yahoo! 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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From WFeuchter at msn.com Tue Sep 2 21:00:22 2003 From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 21:00:22 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Snuffles" wrote: > I am wanting to write to Warner Brothers, via snail mail, and > wonder if anyone has a snail mail address for them; and more > particularly, does anyone have a 'name' to whom to address this > missive -- someone connected with the Harry Potter movies? > Thanks. > An email address would be useful, also -- but snail mail does > sometimes get attention, especially since internet email has become > so popular. > > Snuffles The address below from DanRadcliffe.co.uk is suposed to be good for anyone connected with Harry Potter filming. Try the producer. Daniel Radcliffe c/o Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Leavesden Studios P.O. Box 3000 Leavesden, Hertfordshire WD27LT United Kingdom You can also go to the Warner Bros. web site and send email to anyone connected with WB Bill From helen at odegard.com Wed Sep 3 03:10:34 2003 From: helen at odegard.com (Helen R. Granberry) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:10:34 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New poll for HPFGU-Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c371c8$f1861500$6401a8c0@helenw1> >I think Stewart is a good enough actor to be able to play any role >believably. Totally agree! Even if you just look at his body of work on Star Trek: The Next Generation, you can see the man has incredible range. Hair? Bah! Wigs. I could see him as Mad Eye or Fudge or Crouch or Dumbledore (know we have one now, but...) or Mundugus Fletcher or Voldemort. No need to create a role, there are plenty of possible roles already! Helen From maris at myhome.net Wed Sep 3 05:15:35 2003 From: maris at myhome.net (Maris) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:15:35 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New poll for HPFGU-Movie References: <000001c371c8$f1861500$6401a8c0@helenw1> Message-ID: <000201c371e6$721680c0$929edccf@raven> >I think Stewart is a good enough actor to be able to play any role believably. Totally agree! Even if you just look at his body of work on Star Trek: The Next Generation, you can see the man has incredible range. Hair? Bah! Wigs. I could see him as Mad Eye or Fudge or Crouch or Dumbledore(know we have one now, but...) or Mundugus Fletcher or Voldemort. No need to create a role, there are plenty of possible roles already! Helen I also agree. Has anyone seen him portray Sejanus, in "I, Claudius"? Perfectly, totally *evil*..... the kind that Hamlet might have been referring to with his 'smile, and smile, and be a villain'. (Didn't look it up to make sure I have it exact, hence not quotes.) :-) He'd be a great Death Eater, if not one of the 'heroes' of the story! Snuffles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From deemarie1a at yahoo.com Wed Sep 3 10:30:06 2003 From: deemarie1a at yahoo.com (Donna) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:30:06 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie In-Reply-To: <000201c371e6$721680c0$929edccf@raven> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Maris" wrote: > I also agree. Has anyone seen him portray Sejanus, in "I, Claudius"? Perfectly, totally *evil*..... the kind that Hamlet might have been referring to with his 'smile, and smile, and be a villain'. (Didn't look it up to make sure I have it exact, hence not quotes.) :-) > He'd be a great Death Eater, if not one of the 'heroes' of the story! > > Snuffles I have enjoyed Patrick Stewart's performances for many years. Yes, I vividly remember him as Sejanus. I still get chills. How about his recent work, Captain Ahab in Moby Dick comes to mind. Has anyone seen him do "A Christmas Carol"? His versatility is amazing. I have always been impressed with the quality of actors being brought to these films. In my own experience, I have found that since my kids love these movies, I have the opportunity to bring classic literature to their attention. When they ask me about the actor who plays a certain role, I bring to their attention other things that actor has done. For example, Kenneth Branagh. When the kids asked about him, I told them about his forays into Shakespeare. They expressed interest in seeing some of that and as a result, we rented "Much Ado About Nothing". Voila, Shakespeare was introduced. Even Daniel Radcliffe was a way to bring Dickens into my home. We have our own copy of "David Copperfield". From the films, it's a short jump to books. Because of films like these, my home library is expanding. It's a great way to lead children to read. D From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Wed Sep 3 14:16:37 2003 From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) Date: 3 Sep 2003 14:16:37 -0000 Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-Movie Message-ID: <1062598597.387.50338.w35@yahoogroups.com> The following HPFGU-Movie poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: How would you like JKR to write a character (preferrably a bald male evil DADA teacher) for Patrick Stewart to play? CHOICES AND RESULTS - I would like that, 11 votes, 45.83% - I wouldn't like that, 13 votes, 54.17% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:16:43 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:16:43 -0000 Subject: "Save GoF" Message-ID: A while ago there were quite a few passionate posts concerning the announcement that GoF would be one 21/2 h movie. Though I suspect most of you visit Leaky daily, I'd still like to turn your attention to today's blurb on the "Save GoF" campaign (with relevant link). I have alredy signed the petition and printed out a form letter to send to WB. Who knows, if the onslaught is heavy enough, they may rethink their decision... Sophia BTW I agree with the praise that's been heaped on Patrick Stewart. From scully931 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 01:26:41 2003 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 01:26:41 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I completely agree with you. I mean, it's just a poll for fun. But, the thought that JKR would specifically write a role for an actor is crazy. She has made the wizarding world a world of it's own. To write a role for a Hollywood actor would be ludicrous. But, like I said, I guess it's just for fun. Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stardancerofas" wrote: > Okay, I took the poll, but I have one question. > > Why would we need a role written specifically for Patrick Stewart? > Now, before you jump all over me, hear me out. > > While I am not a fan of the man, I can recognize his ability. Meaning, > that I don't think a role should be written 'specifically' for him, > he's such a talented actor that hair, or lack thereof shouldn't > matter. See what I mean? > > Mr. Stewart can play any role (with or without hair) that he wants to. > I've seen him in comedy, drama, (I'm not sure what Dune was classified > as, but to me it was Horror, as in horrorible to watch). > > Lorrie From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Thu Sep 4 19:12:33 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:12:33 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" wrote: > Yes, I completely agree with you. I mean, it's just a poll for fun. > But, the thought that JKR would specifically write a role for an > actor is crazy. She has made the wizarding world a world of it's > own. To write a role for a Hollywood actor would be ludicrous. But, > like I said, I guess it's just for fun. > > Deborah I absolutely agree with you, Deborah. And I have nothing whatsoever against Patrick Stewart. But Rowling should not write for any actor and the cast should be British, that's part of the films charm in my opinion. But of course, it's probably not meant to be serious, this poll. Torill From ShelaghC at aol.com Thu Sep 4 20:46:12 2003 From: ShelaghC at aol.com (shelaghcol) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:46:12 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Delurking just for a moment.... I'm sort of stumbling with the wording here, but, where did you ever get the idea that Patrick Stewart wasn't British? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001772/ The man was born in Yorkshire and educated at the Bristol Old Vic theatre. He also was with the Royal Shakespeare Company for nearly 30 years. He didn't get to Hollyweird until he was offered the part of Jean Luc Picard in ST:TNG. Frankly, I'd love to see him in an HP movie and certainly he'd be completely at home there considering his background. Shelagh lurking back --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" wrote: > I absolutely agree with you, Deborah. And I have nothing whatsoever > against Patrick Stewart. But Rowling should not write for any actor > and the cast should be British, that's part of the films charm in my > opinion. But of course, it's probably not meant to be serious, this poll. > > Torill From linlou43 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 21:42:51 2003 From: linlou43 at yahoo.com (linlou43) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:42:51 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all! I rarely post to the movie board, (I'm more of a main list person) but I had to weigh in on this. I have thought of Patick Stewart ever since I first heard about the Harry books being made into film. I have never been able to picture him as a specific character, however, until OOP. I think he would be absolutely fabulous as Mundugus Fletcher. It's just that I can picture it so clearly in my head. -linlou, who by the way does agree that JKR should not write parts just for actors but also thinks JKR may see someone specific in her head as her own way of picturing the characters. From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 01:01:07 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:01:07 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie In-Reply-To: <000201c371e6$721680c0$929edccf@raven> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Maris" wrote: > >I think Stewart is a good enough actor to be able to play any role believably. > > Totally agree! Even if you just look at his body of work on Star Trek: > The Next Generation, you can see the man has incredible range. Hair? > Bah! Wigs. I could see him as Mad Eye or Fudge or Crouch or Dumbledore(know we have one now, but...) or Mundugus Fletcher or Voldemort. No need to create a role, there are plenty of possible roles already! > Helen > > > > I also agree. Has anyone seen him portray Sejanus, in "I, Claudius"? Perfectly, totally *evil*..... the kind that Hamlet might have been referring to with his 'smile, and smile, and be a villain'. (Didn't look it up to make sure I have it exact, hence not quotes.) :-) > He'd be a great Death Eater, if not one of the 'heroes' of the story! > > Snuffles > *Bows to Patrick Stewart, capable of playing any role, hairless or not* He also played a wonderful Ebenezer Scrooge in a recent movie of A Christmas Carol. Thanks for reminding me of his portrayal of Sejanus in I, Claudius (which my family jokingly referred to as I, Clavdivs ;-) I'd love to see a Patrick Stewart/Derek Jacoby reunion somewhere along the line in the HP movies. Perhaps we'll get one in Goblet of Fire?? Anne U (still scratching her head at Mike Newell directing GoF...) From maris at myhome.net Fri Sep 5 02:18:12 2003 From: maris at myhome.net (Snuffles) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:18:12 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I am wanting to write to Warner Brothers, via snail mail, and wonder if anyone has a snail mail address for them; and more particularly, does anyone have a 'name' to whom to address this missive -- someone connected with the Harry Potter movies? > Thanks. > Snuffles The address below from DanRadcliffe.co.uk is suposed to be good for anyone connected with Harry Potter filming. Try the producer. Daniel Radcliffe c/o Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Leavesden Studios P.O. Box 3000 Leavesden, Hertfordshire WD27LT United Kingdom You can also go to the Warner Bros. web site and send email to anyone connected with WB Bill Thank you, Bill. I suppose, with the petition of making the next movie into 2 segments, that a complaint about the Quidditch ball going out of bounds, in the last movie, will seem a trivial item --- but still it was something that received a LOT of film time and ... didn't happen. I will most likely send an email, also, cover all the bases as 'twere! Snuffles From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 12:08:28 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:08:28 -0000 Subject: New poll /J.K. infuenced by movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Anne U: > (still scratching her head at Mike Newell directing GoF...) Scratching your head? Really? What do you know about Mike Newell that makes you do that? I don't know the first thing about him, so I'm interested in your opinion of his previous work. BTW: Do you think there is any chance whatsoever that the movies have had any influence whatsoever on J.K. Rowling? (I'm not sure on which list this post belongs--it deals with the books but includes the Cos movie, so...) I know her vision of WW is strong and vivid--after all, it's her creation, but do you wonder whether seeing the films had any effect on her at all? Do you think those images affected her to make them part (even if it's a minuscule, microsopic part) of the world of her imagination, somewhere? My comment rises from something that made me do a double-take while reading OotP the third time (yep, only the third...I suspect I'm way behind most of you). (The first time I was most definitely too caught up in the moment of such a powerful scene.) But let me start at the beginning. I remember, on re-reading CoS after having seen the movie, remarking to myself that book-Fawkes landed in a heap of ashes on the floor after burning, rather than in a convenient little "ashtray" (ha!) such as the movie people designed for him. I quote: (Bloomsbury p.155): The bird, meanwhile, had become a fireball; it gave one loud shriek and next second there was nothing but a smouldering pile of ash on the floor. As you recall, in COS the movie, the ashtray becomes a little nest for new-born baby Fawkes which allows Dumbledore to conviently display him to Harry while for purposes of the screenplay explaining some of Fawkes' magical powers. This is why I did a double-take on reading the following in OotP (Bloomsbury p.725): He did not look at Harry at first, but walked over to the perch beside the door and withdrew from an inside pocket of his robes, the tiny, ugly, featherless Fawkes, whom he placed gently on the tray of soft ashes beneath the golden post where the full-grown Fawkes usually stood. OK. so there could be a number of explanations--I could probably come up with a couple--that have nothing to do with the movie, but it would be fun to hear if anyone else thinks there is anything to my theory that there has been som cross-fertilization going on. Sophia From tmarends at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 15:13:40 2003 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:13:40 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "linlou43" wrote: > > > -linlou, who by the way does agree that JKR should not write > parts just for actors but also thinks JKR may see someone specific > in her head as her own way of picturing the characters. I think you hit the nail on the head... As a writer myself, when I write, I tend to think of a person I know, or have seen, and base my character on him/her. I think every writer does. For myself, sometimes it's a combination of people in one character based on what I want for that character. I know Anne Rice had Rutger Hauer (SP) in mind when she created Lestat. Tim From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Fri Sep 5 15:38:05 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:38:05 -0000 Subject: Role for Patrick Stewart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No need to lurk back, is it, your opinions are most welcome!!! I'm sorry about that Britishness thing, my mistake. I don't know very much about Patrick Stewart, assuming everybody with some Hollywood (Hollyweird, hehe..) experience to be American of course was foolish of me!! And I understand what the writers among you are saying, that of course you can have the thought of one actor in mind while you write about a character. It just sounded as if some of you wanted Rowling to especially write a new part dedicated to Stewart, that would have been a bad idea. But let's not take this too seriously. I suppose, if the poll was: would you like to see Patrick Stewart in one of the future Potter films? then I guess the reaction would have been different, at least for my part. Torill --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "shelaghcol" wrote: > Delurking just for a moment.... > > I'm sort of stumbling with the wording here, but, where did you ever > get the idea that Patrick Stewart wasn't British? > > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001772/ > > The man was born in Yorkshire and educated at the Bristol Old Vic > theatre. He also was with the Royal Shakespeare Company for nearly 30 > years. > > He didn't get to Hollyweird until he was offered the part of Jean Luc > Picard in ST:TNG. > > Frankly, I'd love to see him in an HP movie and certainly he'd be > completely at home there considering his background. > > Shelagh > lurking back > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "torillgrnhaug" > wrote: > > I absolutely agree with you, Deborah. And I have nothing whatsoever > > against Patrick Stewart. But Rowling should not write for any actor > > and the cast should be British, that's part of the films charm in my > > opinion. But of course, it's probably not meant to be serious, this > poll. > > > > Torill From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Fri Sep 5 15:54:06 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:54:06 -0000 Subject: New poll /J.K. infuenced by movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > BTW: Do you think there is any chance whatsoever that the movies have had > I know her vision of WW is strong and vivid--after all, it's her creation, but do > you wonder whether seeing the films had any effect on her at all? Do you > think those images affected her to make them part (even if it's a minuscule, > microsopic part) of the world of her imagination, somewhere? it would be fun to > hear if anyone else thinks there is anything to my theory that there has been > som cross-fertilization going on. > > Sophia I suppose it might, on an unconscious level. Your example with Fawkes' "ashtray" was a good one. Very perceptive. You are right that Rowling has a strong vivid and detaled image of her world in her mind, judging from what she had told us - but she can't have worked out every single detail beforehand. And film is such a strong medium, the images really get to us. She says that many of the sets in the film are close to how things have looked in her head - that, in itself, could make her open for influences from the film. As I said, unconsciously, I can't believe she would choose to accomodate her descriptions in the books to the films. Also she and Kloves have communicated a lot by e-mail,judging from the dvd interview, usually it is him asking her questions, but I suppose that even this could have an influence, as he might make her think about things she otherwise wouldn't have. In a creative process it is impossible to entirely shut out influences from the outside world, and with someone so interested and curious and desperate for information as Kloves, and with images so compelling and vivid as in the films, I suppose some influence is inevitable. From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Fri Sep 5 16:01:16 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:01:16 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Snuffles" wrote: > > I am wanting to write to Warner Brothers, via snail mail, and > wonder if anyone has a snail mail address for them; and more > particularly, does anyone have a 'name' to whom to address this > missive -- someone connected with the Harry Potter movies? > > Thanks. > > Snuffles > > The address below from DanRadcliffe.co.uk is suposed to be good for > anyone connected with Harry Potter filming. Try the producer. > > Daniel Radcliffe > c/o Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban > Leavesden Studios > P.O. Box 3000 > Leavesden, Hertfordshire WD27LT > United Kingdom > > You can also go to the Warner Bros. web site and send email to anyone > connected with WB > Bill > > > Thank you, Bill. I suppose, with the petition of making the next > movie into 2 segments, that a complaint about the Quidditch ball > going out of bounds, in the last movie, will seem a trivial item --- > but still it was something that received a LOT of film time and ... > didn't happen. > I will most likely send an email, also, cover all the bases as 'twere! > Snuffles What are you referring to here, Snuffles??? By the way, I was wondering if this adress is the best. From what I have seen on some Dan message boards, it takes months until they get an answer from that adress. Likely, they are talking about fanmail, but still..heaps of letters are pouring in there, all the fans contacting all the stars. Maybe you could try David Heyman's company, Heyday productions, isn't it? Probably possible to find the adress in a directory for England. Just a thought... Torill From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Fri Sep 5 18:58:16 2003 From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) Date: 5 Sep 2003 18:58:16 -0000 Subject: New poll for HPFGU-Movie Message-ID: <1062788296.490.36756.w28@yahoogroups.com> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the HPFGU-Movie group: Which character do you think Ben Kingsley would be great to play? o Mad-Eye Moody o Wormtail o any of the above o none of the above To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/surveys?id=11232685 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Sep 5 22:56:40 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:56:40 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Snuffles" wrote: > I am wanting to write to Warner Brothers, via snail mail, > ...edited... > An email address would be useful, also -- but snail mail does > sometimes get attention, ../. > > Snuffles bboy_mn: Here is what I have compiled so far. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AOL Time Warner Inc Warner Brothers Entertainment Division 75 Rockefeller Plaza New York, NY 10019 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Phone: (212) 484-8000 Fax: (212) 489-6183 Email: aoltimewarnerir at aol.com = aoltimewarnerir(at)aol.com Web Site: http://www.aoltimewarner.com/ Warner Bros. Studios Facilities 818-954-2515 4000 Warner Blvd., Bldg. 4 Burbank, CA 91522 WBSF @ "The Lot" 323-850-2581 1041 North Formosa Ave. West Hollywood, CA 90046 customerservice at wb.com = customerservice(at)wb.com complaints at wb.com = complaints(at)wb.com Other Web Domains - warnerbros.com NOTE: I don't have email addresses for specific executives but a search of the web indicates that the standard format is - first.last(at)wb.com [replace (at) with the @ sign] Example: Monique.Esclavissat(at)wb.com Additional note: Yahoo will hide and encrypt email addresses or anything with the '@' sign in it. In order to show the full address, I have substitued (at) for '@'. Monique Esclavissat Senior Vice President, European Distribution Nigel Sharrocks Managing Director, UK and Ireland Alan Horn President and COO *** Barry M. Meyer *** Chairman and CEO of Warner Brothers Entertainment Sue Kroll President, Marketing, Warner Bros. Pictures International Veronika Kwan-Rubinek President, Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures International Steve Papazian President, Physical Production, Warner Bros. Pictures bboy_mn From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 06:42:03 2003 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra Pan) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030906064203.29785.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> If Snuffles et al really want to write to Warner Bros. in regards to the HP movies, can I suggest that you save your stamps and don't send mail to the following from Steve's compilation of addresses: > Warner Bros. Studios Facilities > 818-954-2515 > 4000 Warner Blvd., Bldg. 4 > Burbank, CA 91522 > > WBSF @ "The Lot" > 323-850-2581 > 1041 North Formosa Ave. > West Hollywood, CA 90046 Studio Facilities deals with the "real estate" and has nothing to do with making those creative decisions that influence our enjoyment of (or lack of thereof) the movies. See their website www.wbsf.com for details. What is this all about anyway? Petra: "'Voting' with my $ = feedback." a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From HMaffioli at cox.net Sun Sep 7 16:35:02 2003 From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:35:02 -0700 Subject: Vandals damage Hogwarts Express References: Message-ID: <003501c3755d$fcbf2720$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/09/04/hogwarts.vandals/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From HMaffioli at cox.net Sun Sep 7 16:32:46 2003 From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:32:46 -0700 Subject: GOF 4 Hours? More rumors References: Message-ID: <002a01c3755d$ab9e6a40$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> I found this on HPANA http://www.hpana.com/news.cfm?nids=17458_goblet_of_fire_may_be_4hour_movie Heather [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jamesredmont at hotmail.com Sun Sep 7 19:11:09 2003 From: jamesredmont at hotmail.com (James Redmont) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:11:09 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons Message-ID: I was just re-watching the Philosopher's Stone, and it occurred to me that they're going to be casting someone to play Voldemort in GoF. My husband thinks Jeremy Irons is the best candidate, and I have to say, I agree. What do you guys think? Here are some pictures. Here he is playing the really evil guy in Time Machine. http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time%20Machine/CT- 5349.jpg And here he is as himself. http://www.kino.orc.ru/js/portret/photo/irons.jpg James Redmont From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 23:46:52 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 23:46:52 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" wrote: > I was just re-watching the Philosopher's Stone, and it occurred to > me that they're going to be casting someone to play Voldemort in > GoF. My husband thinks Jeremy Irons is the best candidate, and I > have to say, I agree. What do you guys think? > > Here are some pictures. > > Here he is playing the really evil guy in Time Machine. > > http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time%20Machine/CT- > 5349.jpg > YEEOOOOOWWW!! That was downright scary. I've always loved Jeremy Irons but I've NEVER seen him look this creepy. Now if he can get that "high, cold laugh" down pat, he might be able to pull off Voldy. He's also tall, thin and veddy, veddy British :-) Anne U (who hopes WB does make GoF a 4 hour movie!) From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Mon Sep 8 20:30:44 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 20:30:44 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" > wrote: > > I was just re-watching the Philosopher's Stone, and it occurred to > > me that they're going to be casting someone to play Voldemort in > > GoF. My husband thinks Jeremy Irons is the best candidate, and I > > have to say, I agree. What do you guys think? > > > > Here are some pictures. > > > > Here he is playing the really evil guy in Time Machine. > > > > http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time%20Machine/CT- > > 5349.jpg > > > > YEEOOOOOWWW!! That was downright scary. I've always loved Jeremy > Irons but I've NEVER seen him look this creepy. Now if he can get > that "high, cold laugh" down pat, he might be able to pull off Voldy. > He's also tall, thin and veddy, veddy British :-) > > Anne U > (who hopes WB does make GoF a 4 hour movie!) Jeremy Irons definitely is a great actor, would love to see him in the Potter movies, regardless which part, really. Torill From HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Tue Sep 9 16:30:23 2003 From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com (HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com) Date: 9 Sep 2003 16:30:23 -0000 Subject: Poll results for HPFGU-Movie Message-ID: <1063125023.243.96125.w85@yahoogroups.com> The following HPFGU-Movie poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which character do you think Ben Kingsley would be great to play? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Wormtail, 0 votes, 0.00% - any of the above, 0 votes, 0.00% - none of the above, 9 votes, 69.23% - Mad-Eye Moody, 4 votes, 30.77% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From linlou43 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 23:48:24 2003 From: linlou43 at yahoo.com (linlou43) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:48:24 -0000 Subject: GOF 4 Hours? More rumors In-Reply-To: <002a01c3755d$ab9e6a40$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" wrote: > I found this on HPANA > > http://www.hpana.com/news.cfm? nids=17458_goblet_of_fire_may_be_4hour_movie > > Heather > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] linlou: The Leaky Cauldron researched this rumor. Their conclusion can be found here: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ We can still hope right? -linlou From helen at odegard.com Wed Sep 10 17:58:40 2003 From: helen at odegard.com (Helen R. Granberry) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:58:40 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: New poll /J.K. infuenced by movie? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c377c5$2b592130$6401a8c0@helenw1> >OK. so there could be a number of explanations--I could probably come up >with a couple--that have nothing to do with the movie, but it would be fun to >hear if anyone else thinks there is anything to my theory that there has been >som cross-fertilization going on. Sophia Oh, I definitely think there is some cross-fertilization going on, and not just with the movies. I noticed a few 'shout outs' to the fans in OotP as well. In any case, the one scene that sticks out in my mind as being influenced by the films was in the Great Hall, right before the first match with Slytherin. Hermione and Ginny are noted as wearing red and gold scarves.... something not mentioned in previous books, but very prominent in the films. I don't think JKR's vision is being compromised or anything like that, but film *is* a strong visual medium and well... if it is something small, non-intrusive and makes sense (like the ash tray and the scarves) why not? Helen From swmil at msn.com Thu Sep 11 05:08:30 2003 From: swmil at msn.com (whizbee2000) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:08:30 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" > wrote: > > I was just re-watching the Philosopher's Stone, and it occurred to > > me that they're going to be casting someone to play Voldemort in > > GoF. My husband thinks Jeremy Irons is the best candidate, and I > > have to say, I agree. What do you guys think? > > > > Here are some pictures. > > > > Here he is playing the really evil guy in Time Machine. > > > > http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time% 20Machine/CT- > > 5349.jpg > > > > snip I couldn't get the link to open. Is there another place to go look at this picture? I would agree that he might be an excellent choice for the part! From maris at myhome.net Thu Sep 11 06:14:33 2003 From: maris at myhome.net (Snuffles) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:14:33 -0000 Subject: snail mail addie for Warner Brothers please? In-Reply-To: <20030906064203.29785.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Petra Pan wrote: > If Snuffles et al really want to write to Warner Bros. in regards to the HP movies, can I suggest that you save your stamps and don't send mail to the following from Steve's compilation of addresses: > > Warner Bros. Studios Facilities > > 818-954-2515 > > 4000 Warner Blvd., Bldg. 4 > > Burbank, CA 91522 > > > > WBSF @ "The Lot" > > 323-850-2581 > > 1041 North Formosa Ave. > > West Hollywood, CA 90046 > > Studio Facilities deals with the "real estate" and has nothing to do with making those creative decisions that influence our enjoyment of (or lack of thereof) the movies. See their website www.wbsf.com for details. > What is this all about anyway? > Petra: "'Voting' with my $ = feedback." > a > n :) ************ Thank you, everyone who responded! What this is all about..... is..... There is great debate going on about the length of the movies, especially as the books seem to be getting longer and longer. I simply am going to suggest, to whoever receives my missive(s), that the editors, screen writers, scriptors, and everyone who is concerned in the creation of the movies be more scrupulous in adhering to the actual story-line, as written by J. K. Rowling, and leave out the little additions which 1) do not follow the story line and 2) are actually counter to the story as written by Ms. Rowling. A glaring example of this is when, during the Quidditch match (in movie 2), the Snitch goes out of bounds. According to Ms. Rowling, the ball is enchanted to stay within the bounds of the Quidditch field, NOT go careening through the uprights of the stadiums, etc. Snuffles From blackgold101 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 19:03:33 2003 From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:03:33 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In my group, I am putting together my own HP cast, and Jeremy Irons has won the role of Voldydude. I immediately thought of the picture of him as the evil guy in The Time Machine. He's ghostly white with long hair and red eyes. Marci I have: Michael Wincott: Sirius Black Hugh Grant: Remus Lupin Ian Holm: Mundungus Fletcher Keira Knightley: Tonks (someone suggested Jennifer Garner, but we know what ain't happenin') Kristin Scott Thomas: Narcissa Malfoy Miranda Richardson: Bellatrix Lestrange Ewan McGregor: Barty Crouch, Jr. Karkaroff: Christopher Lee --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" wrote: > I was just re-watching the Philosopher's Stone, and it occurred to > me that they're going to be casting someone to play Voldemort in > GoF. My husband thinks Jeremy Irons is the best candidate, and I > have to say, I agree. What do you guys think? > > Here are some pictures. > > Here he is playing the really evil guy in Time Machine. > > http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time%20Machine/CT- > 5349.jpg > > And here he is as himself. > > http://www.kino.orc.ru/js/portret/photo/irons.jpg > > James Redmont From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 21:15:55 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:15:55 -0000 Subject: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "whizbee2000" wrote: > > > http://www.sfrevu.com/ISSUES/2002/0203/Film%20-%20Time% > 20Machine/CT- > > > 5349.jpg > > > > > > > snip > I couldn't get the link to open. Is there another place to go look at > this picture? I would agree that he might be an excellent choice for > the part! Try this instead: http://tinyurl.com/n6go You will end up at the same location, but the amazing http://tinyurl.com has scrunched it into a wonderful tiny little URL that won't get broken up by forwarding marks, etc. I can't emphasize enough how useful that website is. I must use it 15 times a day at work and at home. Anne U (whose motto is "Pragmatism works":-) From poohnpotterfan at aol.com Fri Sep 12 21:27:30 2003 From: poohnpotterfan at aol.com (poohnpotterfan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:27:30 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Jeremy Irons Message-ID: <2CDEBE7B.6B250649.9BAE8FA3@aol.com> I agree with all your choices except for Michael Wincott, Ewan McGregor & Hugh Grant. I think Ewan & Hugh, at least in my mind don't fit the characters you've given them. I know I'd be expecting Ewan to burst into song or whip out a lightsaber everytime I saw him, and Hugh I would expect to stutter out a reply or keep running his fingers through his hair. He'd have made a bettter Quirrel!! I pictured Dougray Scott as Sirius myself. I'm not exactly sure who I'd have picked as the others though, as I don't really know a ton of British actors. I totally agree with Jeremy Irons as Voldy. I've been waiting for them to offer him the part ever since they started making the movies!! From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Fri Sep 12 22:45:26 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:45:26 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: <2CDEBE7B.6B250649.9BAE8FA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030912174321.032b7c18@mail.kriselda.net> poohnpotterfan at aol.com recently mentioned: >I agree with all your choices except for Michael Wincott, Ewan McGregor & >Hugh Grant. I think Ewan & Hugh, at least in my mind don't fit the >characters you've given them. I know I'd be expecting Ewan to burst into >song or whip out a lightsaber everytime I saw him Having seen far too many Ewan McGregor movies, it's not his lightsaber I'd be worried about him whipping out... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk Sat Sep 13 20:43:04 2003 From: lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Luna=20Lovegood?=) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:43:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Jeremy Irons In-Reply-To: <2CDEBE7B.6B250649.9BAE8FA3@aol.com> Message-ID: <20030913204304.77957.qmail@web60106.mail.yahoo.com> I'm thinking that Paul Bettany would make a better Lupin than Hugh Grant, and Ewan Mcgregor as Bill better than Crouch Jr. And I love Jeremy Irons as Voldemort. poohnpotterfan at aol.com wrote: I agree with all your choices except for Michael Wincott, Ewan McGregor & Hugh Grant. I think Ewan & Hugh, at least in my mind don't fit the characters you've given them. I know I'd be expecting Ewan to burst into song or whip out a lightsaber everytime I saw him, and Hugh I would expect to stutter out a reply or keep running his fingers through his hair. He'd have made a bettter Quirrel!! I pictured Dougray Scott as Sirius myself. I'm not exactly sure who I'd have picked as the others though, as I don't really know a ton of British actors. I totally agree with Jeremy Irons as Voldy. I've been waiting for them to offer him the part ever since they started making the movies!! --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends??Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 07:36:08 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:36:08 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) Message-ID: There has been a lot of speculation about who might play Cedric in GoF. I would love to add to that speculation, but my only experience with actors of a remotely appropriate age comes from PBS re-runs of 'East Enders' (Mathew is on trial for murder now). Those re-runs are several years old, so most of the young actors are no longer young. Beyond that, I know of Jamie Bell (Billie Elliot) and Charlie Hunnam (Queer as Folk). Jamie Bell looks all wrong for the part; short, dark, etc.... Charlie Hunnam looks the part, but it's hard to separate him from the 'bad boy' gay boy in 'Queer as Folk', and see him as the clean-cut nice boy Cedric. So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do know, who among them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, rosy cheeked, and handsome? I can only think of two... two very well known Brit boys named- William and Harry (actually Henry). I have no idea if either one of them can act, but in a way it might be kind of cool to see Prince William or Prince Harry in the movie. Also, either one of them could fulfill my expectation of what Cedric should look like. Just a thought. bboy_mn From sara1412au at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 14:39:07 2003 From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:39:07 -0000 Subject: Trelawney casting (surely not yet pending) Message-ID: After hearing that the next film is to start lensing in April of next year AND given the prominence played on dear Sybil in the last couple of books, (at the risk of sounding like the kid who whines "are we there yet" in the back seat of a car)- just wondering whether anyone has heard anything further on the casting of Professor Trelawney. I won't go over who I think should be cast again (did it before). I just can't believe that this late in procedings, the part, if indeed, it is going to be in the film, remains uncast. Sara-ELL From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Mon Sep 15 15:28:07 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:28:07 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > There has been a lot of speculation about who might play Cedric in GoF. > > I would love to add to that speculation, but my only experience with > actors of a remotely appropriate age comes from PBS re-runs of 'East > Enders' (Mathew is on trial for murder now). Those re-runs are several > years old, so most of the young actors are no longer young. > > Beyond that, I know of Jamie Bell (Billie Elliot) and Charlie Hunnam > (Queer as Folk). Jamie Bell looks all wrong for the part; short, dark, > etc.... Charlie Hunnam looks the part, but it's hard to separate him > from the 'bad boy' gay boy in 'Queer as Folk', and see him as the > clean-cut nice boy Cedric. > > So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do know, who among > them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, rosy cheeked, and handsome? > > I can only think of two... two very well known Brit boys named- > William and Harry (actually Henry). > > I have no idea if either one of them can act, but in a way it might be > kind of cool to see Prince William or Prince Harry in the movie. Also, > either one of them could fulfill my expectation of what Cedric should > look like. > > Just a thought. > > bboy_mn That would have been hilarious!!! But not very likely, that's a shame. Personally, I also think it's a shame that Biggerstaff was cast for Wood. He didn't look that part at all. I think he would have made a perfect Cedric Torill From beckwith at zipworld.com.au Mon Sep 15 15:36:39 2003 From: beckwith at zipworld.com.au (F Nitschke) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:36:39 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030916005810.0243d2c0@mail.zip.com.au> Steve wrote: >There has been a lot of speculation about who might >play Cedric in GoF. You're not wrong there. Snippetty snip. >So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do >know, who among them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, >rosy cheeked, and handsome? Call me a purist, but I'd rather a dark haired chap: "...Then there was the fact that Cedric looked the part of a champion so much more than he did. Exceptionally handsome, with his straight nose, dark hair, and grey eyes, it was hard to say who was receiving more admiration these days, Cedric or Viktor Krum..." (p260, GoF, Australian hardback) Steve again: >I have no idea if either one of them can act, but in >a way it might be kind of cool to see Prince William >or Prince Harry in the movie. Also, either one of them >could fulfill my expectation of what Cedric should >look like. Goodness me. I'm quite glad that your visual expectations of Cedric don't match mine - or JKR's. ;) (But how about Prince Harry for a Weasley?) Back in March (post 5731 from the headers?), VJH wrote: >Since Cedric isn't really a beafy role even in GoF, I figure he'd be >played by a virtual unknown, much like Wood, Riddle, and many other >youngsters in HP.... (Snip again) >Back to the topic here, while watching The Count of Monte Cristo, I >thought Henry Cavill (Marcedes' son) would make a good Cedric. Right >hair color. Right eye color. A little short but has a pretty face. >But at 20, he might be too old. Y'know, if Christian Coulson hadn't been cast as Tom Riddle I would've thought of him as Cedric - yes he's too old, but he was also too old to play Tom. (And yes, I'm not the first and won't be the last to express this opinion, despite my appreciation of Mr Coulson's efforts.) I think VJH's suggested 'virtual unknown' is probably going to be spot on. Now the rider: all of the above being null and void because I'd be paying good money to see PoA even if Cedric was played by a dalek. Cheers, Fiona Who still thinks VJH's suggestion of the much altered Michael Jackson to play Lord Thingy one of the best yet. ---------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28-Aug-2003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dkewpie at pacbell.net Mon Sep 15 19:37:09 2003 From: dkewpie at pacbell.net (Kewpie) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:37:09 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do know, who among > them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, rosy cheeked, and handsome? > > I can only think of two... two very well known Brit boys named- > William and Harry (actually Henry). Sandy haired??? why? Personal preference? I hope the film would stick to the canon, as Cedric was described to have dark hair in canon. I personally prefer a dark hair Cedric as well (personal preference, dark hair=handsome). but oh well, the movies hasn't been sticking faithfully to canon in terms of hair color anyways (ex: non-blond Dudley), I wouldn't be surprised if they change Cedric hair into blond or sandy. Joan From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 19:49:39 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:49:39 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kewpie" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do know, who > > among them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, rosy cheeked, and > > handsome? > > > > I can only think of two... two very well known Brit boys named- > > William and Harry (actually Henry). > Joan: > > Sandy haired??? why? Personal preference? > > ...edited... > > > Joan bboy_mn: Humm.... I think it just one of those things were I formed a mental image of Cedric, and when the book mentioned his hair color, I already had him fixed in my mind. Things like that happen. Did you know that many fans pictured Draco as having dark hair? Why, you might ask? Unless I'm mistaken Draco's hair color isn't mentioned until GoF. We had a discussion on this in the distant past, and I'm pretty sure the first mention is GoF at the Quiddich World Cup. I always pictured him as blond, but after realizing that his hair color isn't mentioned in the first three books, I'm not sure why I pictured him as blond. I still see Cedric as a Matt Damon or Brad Pitt type (both too old and not British). Just a thought. bboy_mn From irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 22:57:15 2003 From: irene_mikhlin at yahoo.com (irene_mikhlin) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:57:15 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > There has been a lot of speculation about who might play Cedric in GoF. > Charlie Hunnam looks the part, but it's hard to separate him > from the 'bad boy' gay boy in 'Queer as Folk', and see him as the > clean-cut nice boy Cedric. Quite easy if you watch "Nicholas Nickleby". He is so clean-cut there you can see right through him. :-) But he is too old for Cedric now. Irene From jedillore at rcn.com Tue Sep 16 04:08:30 2003 From: jedillore at rcn.com (Emily Rose) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:08:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jared Leto is chronologically too old for the part, but he looks young. In the movie Requiem for a Dream he has his hair dyed black and with his pale blue eyes it looks very much like Cedric's description. Other than that his look in that movie is all wrong because his character is all thin and on drugs. However, with that hair and a healthier complexion, he'd make an excellent Cedric. He definitely has the pin up look. But when it comes to who I really expect to see playing Diggory, I'm with the "virtual unknown" crowd. Jared Leto looks the part but he's not British and I love how the Potter movies are becoming a spring board for young British actors to get their first movie role. -e From buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk Tue Sep 16 10:30:55 2003 From: buffyslays_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Su) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:30:55 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I'd like Paul Nicholls to play Cedric. Although he has'nt been on TV much recently so he'd probably grown up a lot since I last saw him (actually he is 24 which is too old) but anyway Look at some pics here.. http://paulworld.tripod.com/gallery/page3/paul51.jpg http://www.paulnichollsonline.co.uk/gallery/covers/pn_bliss.jpg He's in The Caterbury Tale's snogging Julie Walters this week on the BBC. From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Sep 16 14:19:07 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:19:07 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) Message-ID: <145.19028b7f.2c9875db@aol.com> In a message dated 9/16/2003 5:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: but oh well, the movies hasn't been sticking faithfully to canon in terms of hair color anyways (ex: non-blond Dudley), I wouldn't be surprised if they change Cedric hair into blond or sandy. Joan I have often wondered why they didn't dye Dan's hair black, and why in the WORLD the guy who plays his father does NOT have messy black hair and glasses -- how could Harry look across the lake and see someone he thinks is his dad casting that Patronus if the person across the lake has SHORT dark hair that ISN'T messy, and no glasses? Everyone says he's the spitting image of James, but the actor cast as James is nothing like Dan, IMO. And the Dursleys -- why a dark-haired Dudley (although the boy playing him does him well) and Vernon's hair is the wrong color too -- they could've used wigs or something if they didn't want to dye their hair. Lynda * * * ". . .the cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Sep 16 14:21:22 2003 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:21:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) Message-ID: <32.3dea6184.2c987662@aol.com> In a message dated 9/16/2003 5:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: Unless I'm mistaken Draco's hair color isn't mentioned until GoF It's in PoA, when Harry throws mud at him from underneath the Invisibility Cloak, near the Shrieking Shack. ("mud in his silvery blond hair" or something like that). But I believe it's mentioned in earlier books as well. I'm currently listening to Jim Dale read PoA (while driving) and that scene just happened as I was driving yesterday. Lynda Sappington Equine Art by Lynda Sappington Elegant equine art in bronze, cold-cast porcelain, handcast paper and resin. Also jewelry with an equine theme in 14K gold and sterling silver. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Sep 16 16:28:45 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:28:45 -0000 Subject: Thewlis, Lupin Message-ID: A while ago there was a discussion regarding whether Thewlis could pull off playing Lupin, particularly whether he had the look. Although we still only have a scant idea of what he'll actually look like in PoA, I came across a photo that definitely had a Lupin feel to it, which I found heartening. Check it out at www.digicasey.com/Actors.html (STILL haven't figured out how to just put a link in the message...) Sophia From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Tue Sep 16 18:20:54 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:20:54 -0000 Subject: Thewlis, Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > A while ago there was a discussion regarding whether Thewlis could pull off > playing Lupin, particularly whether he had the look. Although we still only > have a scant idea of what he'll actually look like in PoA, I came across a > photo that definitely had a Lupin feel to it, which I found heartening. Check it > out at www.digicasey.com/Actors.html (STILL haven't figured out how to just > put a link in the message...) > > Sophia I couldn't find any pictures of Thewlis in their actor gallery. Which one do you mean??? Torill From kylby at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 16 11:41:18 2003 From: kylby at bellsouth.net (kylby) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:41:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis, Lupin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F66F6DE.3020206@bellsouth.net> He is similar to my visual of Lupin. Put some longer hair on him (like on the book covers and chapter pictures) and give him a pale sickly look, and I think he will do nicely. Jamie sophiamcl wrote: >A while ago there was a discussion regarding whether Thewlis could pull off >playing Lupin, particularly whether he had the look. Although we still only >have a scant idea of what he'll actually look like in PoA, I came across a >photo that definitely had a Lupin feel to it, which I found heartening. Check it >out at www.digicasey.com/Actors.html (STILL haven't figured out how to just >put a link in the message...) > >Sophia > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >WARNING! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 03:43:45 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 03:43:45 -0000 Subject: The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) In-Reply-To: <145.19028b7f.2c9875db@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > >I've often wondered why they didn't dye Dan's hair black, and why in the > WORLD the guy who plays his father does NOT have messy black hair and glasses -- > how could Harry look across the lake and see someone he thinks is his dad > casting that Patronus if the person across the lake has SHORT dark hair that > ISN'T messy, and no glasses? Everyone says he's the spitting image of James, but > the actor cast as James is nothing like Dan, IMO. And the Dursleys -- why a > dark-haired Dudley (although the boy playing him does him well) and Vernon's > hair is the wrong color too -- they could've used wigs or something if they > didn't want to dye their hair. > I've wondered about this too, Lynda. I have noticed that Dan's hair looks more Harry-ish in the POA shots we've been allowed to see so far. So Cuaron seems to have found a hairstylist who can handle the demands of messy-haired!Harry (who of course is Real!Harry). I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is going to slim down the way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't be able to call Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) Anne U (who thinks 6/4/04 can't arrive too soon) From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 15:28:03 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:28:03 -0000 Subject: Thewlis, Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I couldn't find any pictures of Thewlis in their actor gallery. Which > one do you mean??? > > Torill I'm sure I gave you the right page, and don't think they'd have removed it since yesterday, but you have to scroll way down the page. It's a b/w photo with a sepia tint. Sophia From stbinch at actionsd.com Wed Sep 17 16:30:36 2003 From: stbinch at actionsd.com (Steve Binch) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:30:36 -0700 Subject: Dudley Slimming down (was: something about Lupin) References: <1063789420.745.63421.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000f01c37d39$066201c0$0e01a8c0@ACTIONSTEEL.COM> Anne U: I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is going to slim down the way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't be able to call Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) Why would you be worried about that? He needs to slim down by the time they get to Order of the Phoenix anyway. -Steve B From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Wed Sep 17 17:32:25 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:32:25 -0000 Subject: Thewlis, Lupin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > > > I couldn't find any pictures of Thewlis in their actor gallery. Which > > one do you mean??? > > > > Torill > > I'm sure I gave you the right page, and don't think they'd have removed it > since yesterday, but you have to scroll way down the page. It's a b/w photo > with a sepia tint. > > Sophia Ok found it now, don't know what I did wrong the first time. I think he will be ok. His appearance is not quite how I pictured Lupin. But he is a good actor, and it is in the acting he will make Lupin come alive or not. Torill From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Wed Sep 17 17:40:21 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:40:21 -0000 Subject: The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > > > >I've often wondered why they didn't dye Dan's hair black, and why in > the > > WORLD the guy who plays his father does NOT have messy black hair > and glasses -- > > how could Harry look across the lake and see someone he thinks is > his dad > > casting that Patronus if the person across the lake has SHORT dark > hair that > > ISN'T messy, and no glasses? Everyone says he's the spitting image > of James, but > > the actor cast as James is nothing like Dan, IMO. And the > Dursleys -- why a > > dark-haired Dudley (although the boy playing him does him well) and > Vernon's > > hair is the wrong color too -- they could've used wigs or something > if they > > didn't want to dye their hair. > > > > I've wondered about this too, Lynda. I have noticed that Dan's hair > looks more Harry-ish in the POA shots we've been allowed to see so > far. So Cuaron seems to have found a hairstylist who can handle the > demands of messy-haired!Harry (who of course is Real!Harry). I'm just > a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is going to slim down the > way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't be able to call > Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) > > Anne U > (who thinks 6/4/04 can't arrive too soon) Poor Harry Melling, angry Potterfans demand he has to stay fat even if his doctor or the girls he likes want him to slim!! I know what you mean, I can see it, but these details don't worry me too much. Dan's or Rupert's looks aren't too far away from the way their characters are described - Emma is maybe too pretty, but ok. It's the acting that is the main thing, and so far it's been good enough to keep up the illusion. Cuar?n claims they have grown even better now since CoS, so my hopes are high. But yes, I like Dan's hair better now, too. That Beatle mop of the two former films wasn't very Harryish, was it. Torill From joj at rochester.rr.com Thu Sep 18 00:51:04 2003 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:51:04 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dudley Slimming down (was: something about Lupin) References: <1063789420.745.63421.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000f01c37d39$066201c0$0e01a8c0@ACTIONSTEEL.COM> Message-ID: <001201c37d7e$f2620fd0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Anne U: I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is going to slim down the way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't be able to call Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) I remember reading an interview with the man who plays Uncle Vernon, and he said the boy who plays Dudley wears padding to make him bigger. I couldn't find the article, but I'll keep looking. Joj [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scully931 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 02:29:04 2003 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 02:29:04 -0000 Subject: Dudley Slimming down (was: something about Lupin) In-Reply-To: <001201c37d7e$f2620fd0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: I have thought from the beginning that the actor playing Dudley wasn't large enough. He just looks like a boy who has some baby fat. Really not at ALL the way he is described in the books. Perhaps they were worried about lawsuits from overweight people. (Sounds silly, but people will protest anything.) I never saw the problem myself. I mean, Neville was large and Harry and friends didn't make fun of him. And, Dudley was large because he ate so much - not because of a medical condition or something. They don't really seem to be focusing on his weight much in the movies. Which, is too bad, because some of the descritions in the book are hysterical. (And, I don't say that to be mean about overweight people - just Dudley because he's so mean.) Anyway, that's my opinion. :-) Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" wrote: > Anne U: > > I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is going to slim down the > way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't be able to call Dudders "Pig > in a Wig" anymore ;-) > > > > > I remember reading an interview with the man who plays Uncle Vernon, and he said the boy who plays Dudley wears padding to make him bigger. I couldn't find the article, but I'll keep looking. > > Joj > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Thu Sep 18 03:44:58 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:44:58 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dudley Slimming down (was: something about Lupin) In-Reply-To: References: <001201c37d7e$f2620fd0$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030917222727.00bb7f78@mail.kriselda.net> Scully931 recently mentioned: >I have thought from the beginning that the actor playing Dudley >wasn't large enough. He just looks like a boy who has some baby fat. >Really not at ALL the way he is described in the books. Perhaps they >were worried about lawsuits from overweight people. (Sounds silly, >but people will protest anything.) And in some cases, with good reason. (Not lawsuits, necessarily, in a situation like this, but I wouldn't blame people for otherwise expressing displeasure). > I never saw the problem myself. I >mean, Neville was large and Harry and friends didn't make fun of >him. And, Dudley was large because he ate so much - not because of a >medical condition or something. As someone who is fat, it's the one thing that has disappointed me about the Harry Potter series and the only thing about them I don't care for at all. See, even though Rowling has Dudley being fat because he eats too much, in the real world, no one ever asks - they just assume that if you're fat it's because you ate too much, and even if you are someone for whom there are significant medical issues that have caused or contributed to the problem, there are an awful lot of people who flat out refuse to believe that's the case and will treat you as if you aren't entitled to any kind of courtesy or even your basic civil rights because you're fat and fat=bad. Rowling does nothing to help address this issue. In fact, the few characters she has that are described as fat are almost always described using terms that focus on the person size as a grotesquery, and then uses that to help demonstrate how bad the character is - as if the two are somehow related. She does it with Dudley, Vernon and now Umbridge. The main reason why it bothers me so much is that I was fat as a child (I've ALWAYS been fat, and in my case, the majority of the problem truly IS related to metabolic and other medical issues), and the teasing and harassment I endured during that time was crushing. On top of that, I've run into a number of people who just seem to assume right from the off that I'm going to be lazy and mean-spirited and treat me accordingly, before giving me any kind of a chance to show them what kind of person I am. Rowlings use of obesity as a shorthand for "bad person" does NOTHING to help prevent that kind of bigotry, and, in fact, reinforces the stereotypes. So now, these kids are going to be reading this book which, in so many ways, attempt to teach kids that prejudging others or hating someone because they're different (as in the mudbloods v. purebloods struggles), and then turns around and treats one class of people stereotypically, consistently negatively and seemingly sending the message that it's "OK" to make such judgements and hold such attitudes aobut people if they're fat. >focusing on his weight much in the movies. Which, is too bad, >because some of the descritions in the book are hysterical. (And, I >don't say that to be mean about overweight people - just Dudley >because he's so mean.) Anyway, that's my opinion. :-) And now you know mine :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 04:38:13 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:38:13 -0000 Subject: The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > ...edited... I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is > going to slim down the way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't > be able to call Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) > > Anne U bboy_mn: I don't think it would be a problem if either Dudley/Harry Melling or Neville/Matthew Lewis lost weight. Harry Melling really wasn't that big to start with but he had the nasty Dudley attitude down perfect, so I can see him playing the part even if he get slimmer, because that will probably signal that he is about ready for a growth spurt, after which he will still be big and intimidating, just not fat. As far as Matthew Lewis, I think he is the absolute perfect Neville. I'd say he is just as close to his character as Dan and Rupert are to their's. I have a feeling that Neville will be more promenent in books 6 & 7, so that will be a real test of Matthew's acting ability. So far, he really hasn't had to do much in the movies. Just a few thoughts. bboy_mn From LisaRosa at aol.com Thu Sep 18 04:08:02 2003 From: LisaRosa at aol.com (LisaRosa at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:08:02 EDT Subject: Crookshanks Message-ID: <71.34d734af.2c9a89a2@aol.com> Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard if Crookshanks is going to be in the PoA movie? He plays an important part in the book so I hope he's in the movie too. Lisa :o) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From stella713 at yahoo.de Thu Sep 18 09:20:07 2003 From: stella713 at yahoo.de (stella713) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:20:07 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "Rowlings use of obesity as a shorthand for "bad person" does NOTHING to help prevent that kind of bigotry, and, in fact, reinforces the stereotypes. So now, these kids are going to be reading this book which, in so many ways, attempt to teach kids that prejudging others or hating someone because they're different (as in the mudbloods v. purebloods struggles), and then turns around and treats one class of people stereotypically, consistently negatively and seemingly sending the message that it's "OK" to make such judgements and hold such attitudes aobut people if they're fat." Very good point Kriselda - and I would like to make another. Have you noticed how Rowling describes the girls of Slytherin - they are almost all ugly - and it is perfectly fine (for a Gryffindor) to make fun of their appearance. As someone who is "different not pretty" I found that quite disturbing. Incidentially I hold not much hope in Harry Potter teaching children to be nonjudgemental....my best example would be the sorting song in book 5, calling for unity of hogwards. Three houses uniting against the fourth - not exactly what I had in mind. Greetings from Asta who returns back to lurkdom From bboy_mn at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 06:43:35 2003 From: bboy_mn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:43:35 -0000 Subject: Calling the Kettle Fat ...er ...I mean black. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "stella713" wrote: > Kriselda: > > "Rowlings use of obesity as a shorthand for "bad person" does > NOTHING to help prevent that kind of bigotry, > > Stella: > > Very good point Kriselda - and I would like to make another. > Have you noticed how Rowling describes the girls of Slytherin - they > are almost all ugly - and it is perfectly fine (for a Gryffindor) to > make fun of their appearance. As someone who is "different not > pretty" I found that quite disturbing. Incidentially I hold not much > hope in Harry Potter teaching children to be nonjudgemental.... bboy_mn: But isn't it natural for us to use negative terms to describe people we don't like? When Rita Skeeter wrote about Hermione the first time she was something like stunningly attractive, because she wanted to portray her in a positive light. The next time when she was feeling much less benevolent toward Hermione, she had suddenly gone from attractive to plain. While we know from Harry and Ron's view of Hermione, she is a reasonable attracrtive girl. Although, in the first couple books her appearance is awkward and reasonable so, since most kids that age go through a awkward looking period while their bodies change from little kid to adolesent. Generally though, I think it is safe to consider Hermione a reasonably attractive girl, but the Slytherin girls all cut Hermione down much worse than the Gryfindors disparage the Slytherin girls. Another example, fat people are describe based on how well the main characters like them. Mrs. Weasley is fat, but we like her so she is described as plump. We hate Dudley, so we call him porky. Umbridge is describe very negatively, because she will be a character are meant not to like. But a large proportioned character we do like could come along, and certainly they would be described in much more pleasant terms. > Stella: > ...my best example would be the sorting song in book 5, calling for > unity of hogwards. Three houses uniting against the fourth - not > exactly what I had in mind. > > Greetings from > Asta who returns back to lurkdom bboy_mn: The assumption that three houses will be united against the four (Slytherin) is just that, an assumption. The Sorting Hat implies unity and we can only assume that the Hat is unbiased and therefore means complete unity. In fact, three against one is probably the very thing that the Sorting Hat wants to prevent. If you go back a few weeks, you will find a very long series of post about the 'Good Slytherin'. It's based in the belief that not all Slytherins are bad. The truth is we have only seen a very small select group of Slythrins and can't realy be sure that they are a true cross-section. Many Slytherins are probably just innocent kids who got sorted into that house, beyond that, all they want to do is get through school and go out and succeed in the world. Personally, I believe the DA (Defense Art/Dumbledore's Army) Club will be where the uniting of the four houses will plays out. I speculate that everyone in the club and all of us readers want the DA Club to continue. So in the next book, Dumbledore will allow them to make this an open offical school club, which like all clubs will come with two conditions; a faculty advisor and it must be open to everyone. So who better than Snape to be the faculty advisor, now that he and Harry have a deeper insight into each other. OK that might be miserable for Harry, but it will be great for us readers. That means that Draco and his pals will have to be allowed, but since this is Harry's club, Draco and his pals will only be allowed under the condition that they behave themselves. So Draco and his pals will join along with many other genuinely interested Slytherins. When Draco inevitably screws up, and he and his pals leave, several 'good Slytherins' will stay behind and continue with the club. Amoung them will be 'The Good Slytherin', the one who will united the houses and redeem Slytherins in the eyes of all. Most speculate that person will be Baise Zambini. Just a thought. bboy_mn From stella713 at yahoo.de Fri Sep 19 09:36:22 2003 From: stella713 at yahoo.de (asta Lehmberg) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Calling the Cattle Message-ID: <20030919093622.78328.qmail@web14104.mail.yahoo.com> Well I concede your point about the difference between calling a person fat or plump, depending on your feelings for that person - I still am a bit disappointed about JKR simply leaving it at that .... but to reply to your second argument: "The assumption that three houses will be united against the four (Slytherin) is just that, an assumption." In this I did understand Book 5 differently - there is no single Slytherin in DA and if any of the members would have one friend in Slytherin surely they would have bought him along? ""The truth is we have only seen a very small select group of Slythrins and can't realy be sure that they are a true cross-section. Many Slytherins are probably just innocent kids who got sorted into that house, beyond that, all they want to do is get through school and go out and succeed in the world."" Yes, I agree - but to repeat myself - we are in year 5 and JKR has not shown us one of them - that makes me wonder. (I have read quite a few good fanfictions which do just that) "DA Club will become official" That is such an intriguing thought - but somehow I do not think that will happen - especially your optimistic view on the redemption of House Slytherin. But I of course would like to see it (hopefully some time next year and not in 2005 or later) ""So who better than Snape to be the faculty advisor, now that he and Harry have a deeper insight into each other. OK that might be miserable for Harry, but it will be great for us readers. "" But that would mean Harry will have to stop sulking sometime soon ;-) Snape finally as DADA - in the beginning I believed his interest in the job to be a Red Hering or simply a student rumor. Greetings Asta __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From ravenclaw775 at aol.com Fri Sep 19 13:32:29 2003 From: ravenclaw775 at aol.com (ravenclaw775 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:32:29 EDT Subject: Dursleys More Hatred of Middle Classes Than "Fat" People Message-ID: <15e.254c57bc.2c9c5f6d@aol.com> To me, the Dursleys are more a way of exposing hatred of the middle classes than dislike of fat people (I don't think anyone would categorize Fiona Shaw as fat -- granted, she is the only one who might be "redeemed" in future books and movies). J. Ro takes every cheap potshot at the middle classes she can through the Dursleys (and their family and more or less everyone in their neighborhood). Certainly there are plenty of things to hate about the middle class (like lack of class, judgement of others not like them, as if the wizarding world is any better, the sheer ugliness of the tasteless house, furniture, photos, etc.), but I can't help but think, at least in America, that the middle classes pay the brunt of the taxes that let people on the dole sit in cafes writing children's books. -- Christine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wazzup20011983 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 13:42:19 2003 From: wazzup20011983 at yahoo.com (shelly hall) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 702 In-Reply-To: <1063961683.255.40968.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20030919134219.58624.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> i don't much see a need for them to continue the dumbeldores army club, since umbridge is gone, and the main point of the club was to be secret. I would also disagree that the sltherins, including draco, would even consider joining this club. maybe the "good Slytherins, but if we remember draco's father lucius would never allow his son to participate in anything that would be for dumbeldore. wazzup20011983 at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com From torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no Fri Sep 19 20:55:52 2003 From: torillgrnhaug at yahoo.no (torillgrnhaug) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:55:52 -0000 Subject: Dursleys More Hatred of Middle Classes Than "Fat" People In-Reply-To: <15e.254c57bc.2c9c5f6d@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ravenclaw775 at a... wrote: > To me, the Dursleys are more a way of exposing hatred of the middle classes > than dislike of fat people (I don't think anyone would categorize Fiona Shaw as > fat -- granted, she is the only one who might be "redeemed" in future books > and movies). J. Ro takes every cheap potshot at the middle classes she can > through the Dursleys (and their family and more or less everyone in their > neighborhood). Certainly there are plenty of things to hate about the middle class > (like lack of class, judgement of others not like them, as if the wizarding > world is any better, the sheer ugliness of the tasteless house, furniture, > photos, etc.), but I can't help but think, at least in America, that the middle > classes pay the brunt of the taxes that let people on the dole sit in cafes > writing children's books. > -- > Christine > I don't think the hatred is for the middle classes per se. It's for the bigotry of the Dursleys, and their fear of everything different from the ordinary. But I agree that the way fat is described as repulsive and ridiculous is somewhat disturbing. Rowling said in an interview that she considered Dudley as much a vicitim of the Dursley's as Harry - that's nice, Jo, but that attitude is something you haven't quite been able to translate to your text. OK, the way they let Dudley overeat is part of the way he is suffering from neglect in is family - yes he suffers that, his true needs are never met - but Rowling does nothing to direct not even one little grain of our sympathy his way. Same thing with the lack of good Slytherins - if it really is meant to be our choices and not our abilities that determine who we are, we really need to see some good Slytherin sometime soon. I accept that if ambition is your chief character trait, you may have more temptations than othters to use the dark arts to get what you want - so maybe it fits that this house has the majority of bad wizards. But they can't be all bad, that will be a serious moral flaw to the stories, in my opinion. There is only one reason I can think of that may explain why we haven't seen any good Slytherin yet, or why there is absolutely nothing described about Dudley that could earn him some sympathy: the stories are written almost exclusively from Harry's point of view. A boy of 11 will not have reached the level of moral sophistication to see the nuances we are talking about here. He doesn't relate to Slytherins in any other way than as rivals - and as for Dudley, hating him intensly is a necessity for his psychological survival as a kid in that abusive family. But now he is approaching 16, and he should be able to reach beyond his own limited viewpoint. Perhaps the agonies he suffers in book 5 will mature him, he has seen how even his idealized father could do mean things, and has himself been unreasonably attacking his own friends - this is maybe what he needs to learn that the world isn't cut out in black and white. And that even people he dislikes may have at least SOME good or redeeming qualities about them. At least, this is what I hope will happen in book 6. And then the Dudley of the films might slim as much as he wants, because the fatness was never the main point anyway. (And thus miraculously saving her post to be on topic, after all!!) Torill From zanelupin at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 01:10:03 2003 From: zanelupin at yahoo.com (KathyK) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:10:03 -0000 Subject: The DA, (was: Re: Calling the Cattle) In-Reply-To: <20030919134219.58624.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, this is my first post to the movie list. It's not surprising (to me, anyway) that my first post to the movie list is on a subject that very easily belongs over on the main list where I spend most of my time hanging out. :-) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, shelly hall wrote: > > i don't much see a need for them to continue the > dumbeldores army club, since umbridge is gone, and the > main point of the club was to be secret. I would also > disagree that the sltherins, including draco, would > even consider joining this club. maybe the "good > Slytherins, but if we remember draco's father lucius > would never allow his son to participate in anything > that would be for dumbeldore. wazzup20011983 at y... > The main point of the DA was not that it was a secret, but that is was a means for the students to really learn DADA. Umbridge being gone does not change the fact that the Hogwarts students need to learn DADA. And just because she's gone does not mean that they'll end up with a competent and not-evil DADA teacher. They've only had one of those (unless you believe Lupin is Evil... ) in the five years Harry's been there. Voldemort is back and they can't be messing around with ineffective teaching in this particular subject. Even if they have a competent DADA professor in sixth year, the DA should still survive because it does bring the students of the Hogwarts houses closer together, minus the Slytherins at this point. It encourages friendship, cooperation, and trust of their fellow students. I don't see any reason why Dumbledore wouldn't want it to continue, and I don't see any reason why the students would want to stop, either. I'm not going near the "good Slytherin" topic tonight. I'm much too tired. But I just want to say that what Lucius wants Draco to do at this point is irrelevant as he is in Azkaban. This is not likely to remain the case, but there it is. Have a fantastic night, everyone! And a great day tomorrow! KathyK From scully931 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 20 03:02:46 2003 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:02:46 -0000 Subject: negative descriptions Message-ID: It's been very interesting reading everyone's opinion about the descriptions JKR uses. I do worry that we can sometimes take "political correctness" too far. Now, PLEASE don't get me wrong - I despise people being made fun of soley on looks, social status, etc. But, if JKR has to worry about every description she writes, then you get into censorship issues. She uses unpleasant words to describe unpleasant people. Aunt Petunia is not svelte, but bony with a horse face. So, in actuality, all skinny people with distinguished jaws could take offense to that. Dudley does not have cute baby fat, but is porky. But, I can't help thinking that if she used very friendly terms to describe the Dursley's, the effect just wouldn't be the same. Although not written in the first person, we see this world mainly through Harry's eyes. If we had been tormented and mistreated by the Dursleys our whole lives, it's not likely we would describe them in pleasant terms. I believe JKR redeems herself very well by describing the Weasley's not as gorgeous attractive people. They are poor. Their clothes are in tatters. They're house is too small for them, etc. Yet, because they have such good hearts, we, as readers, along with the core characters look past that. I like the comparison someone made on here (sorry, can't remember who) which mentioned describing Mrs. Weasley as "plump," because we like her. If she beat Ron, I doubt we would be so kind with our description. Same with Hermione and the frizzy hair, etc. (Which I dealt with terribly as a child myself.) Well... that's all. :-) Deborah From anneu53714 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 19:25:51 2003 From: anneu53714 at yahoo.com (Anne) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:25:51 -0000 Subject: Neville/Matthew Lewis (was: The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Anne" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > > ...edited... I'm just a tad worried that Dudley (Harry Melling) is > > going to slim down the way Neville (Matthew Lewis) has and Harry won't > > be able to call Dudders "Pig in a Wig" anymore ;-) > > > > Anne U > > > bboy_mn: > > I don't think it would be a problem if either Dudley/Harry Melling or > Neville/Matthew Lewis lost weight. Harry Melling really wasn't that > big to start with but he had the nasty Dudley attitude down perfect, > so I can see him playing the part even if he get slimmer, because that > will probably signal that he is about ready for a growth spurt, after > which he will still be big and intimidating, just not fat. > > As far as Matthew Lewis, I think he is the absolute perfect Neville. > I'd say he is just as close to his character as Dan and Rupert are to > their's. I have a feeling that Neville will be more promenent in books > 6 & 7, so that will be a real test of Matthew's acting ability. So > far, he really hasn't had to do much in the movies. > > Just a few thoughts. > > bboy_mn I also think Matthew Lewis is perfect as Neville, and that Neville will be much more prominent in books 6 and 7 due to "the prophecy". Recently I ran across what was supposedly Matthew's official website - unfortunately I can't recall the URL and wasn't successful in Googling for it. Anyway he has really had a growth spurt (very typical in 14-year-old boys) and, much like Daniel Radcliffe, has lost all the baby fat in his face. Anne U (big fan of Neville) From mbouhon at noos.fr Sun Sep 21 22:02:48 2003 From: mbouhon at noos.fr (Mathilde Bouhon) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:02:48 +0200 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Neville/Matthew Lewis (was: The perfect Cedric (Appearance wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5644BEC0-EC7F-11D7-A2C0-0050E46E566F@noos.fr> Le dimanche, 21 sep 2003, ? 21:25 Europe/Paris, Anne a ?crit : > > I also think Matthew Lewis is perfect as Neville, and that Neville > will be much more prominent in books 6 and 7 due to "the prophecy". > Recently I ran across what was supposedly Matthew's official website - > unfortunately I can't recall the URL and wasn't successful in > Googling for it. Anyway he has really had a growth spurt (very > typical in 14-year-old boys) and, much like Daniel Radcliffe, has > lost all the baby fat in his face. > > Anne U > (big fan of Neville) Here is Matt Lewis' URL: www.matthewlewisonline.co.uk although you might prefer that alternate URL, which is: www.neville-longbottom.com :) The site is pretty simple, but there are a few cool pics, expecially a very cute one of the Weasley kids + Seamus Finnigan And, yes, Matthew really has lost all of his baby fat! He looks very different now from what we were used to in PS and COS, but still has those very Nevillish imploring blue eyes, of course... ;) Mathilde (who also considers Matthew as the ultimate Neville and really loved the "new" Neville we got to read about in OOTP) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From roninm3dia at yahoo.com Mon Sep 22 19:17:54 2003 From: roninm3dia at yahoo.com (roninm3dia) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:17:54 -0000 Subject: Book - Movie Comparisons? Message-ID: Could anyone possibly point me to a resource that has a comparison of the first two books to the first two movies? From blackgold101 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 23 16:10:16 2003 From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:10:16 -0000 Subject: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kewpie" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > So, of the very very limited number of Brit boys I do know, who > among > > them is clean-cut, tall, sandy haired, rosy cheeked, and handsome? > > > > I can only think of two... two very well known Brit boys named- > > William and Harry (actually Henry). > > Sandy haired??? why? Personal preference? > I hope the film would stick to the canon, as Cedric was described to > have dark hair in canon. I personally prefer a dark hair Cedric as > well (personal preference, dark hair=handsome). > > but oh well, the movies hasn't been sticking faithfully to canon in > terms of hair color anyways (ex: non-blond Dudley), I wouldn't be > surprised if they change Cedric hair into blond or sandy. > > Joan Me: Speaking of non-blonds, etc. Why doesn't Dan wear contacts so Harry's eyes are green????????????? And they only make them green on some of the posters, books, etc. Marci From thorswitch at thunderhaven.net Tue Sep 23 17:57:44 2003 From: thorswitch at thunderhaven.net (Kriselda Jarnsaxa) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:57:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030923125333.00bb1160@mail.kriselda.net> Marci recently mentioned: >Speaking of non-blonds, etc. Why doesn't Dan wear contacts so >Harry's eyes are green????????????? And they only make them green on >some of the posters, books, etc. I don't know if this is the case, but I know that some filmmakers are very hesitant to use contacts on younger actors because some believe that contacts can be hard or possibly dangerous for younger eyes. I don't know if that's actually true or not, but because some are concerned about it, I've heard of other filmmakers not letting kids wear contacts for roles. (For example, the little boy who played the "young" Heath Ledger in "A Knights Tale" had different coloured eyes than Heath does, but they didn't want to make him wear contacts, so in the movie his eyes are just differently coloured when young than they are as an adult.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From patientx3 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 20:11:47 2003 From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:11:47 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The Perfect Cedric (Appearance Wise) Message-ID: <17f.20c2d439.2ca20303@aol.com> Marci recently mentioned: << Speaking of non-blonds, etc. Why doesn't Dan wear contacts so Harry's eyes are green????????????? And they only make them green on some of the posters, books, etc. >> thorswitch at thunderhaven.net writes: << I don't know if this is the case, but I know that some filmmakers are very hesitant to use contacts on younger actors because some believe that contacts can be hard or possibly dangerous for younger eyes. I don't know if that's actually true or not, but because some are concerned about it >> I read an article (in Entertainment Weekly, I believe) that that was exactly the case. He actually was wearing contacts at first, and they were really bothering his eyes, so the filmaker's decided to change it digitally (or at least that's what the article said). I guess they never got around to it, with all the other effects in the film, I guess Harry's eyes aren't the most important detail. -Rebecca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From blackgold101 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 14:55:05 2003 From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:55:05 -0000 Subject: Harry's eyes (was: The Perfect Cedric-Appearance Wise) In-Reply-To: <17f.20c2d439.2ca20303@aol.com> Message-ID: > Marci recently mentioned: > > << Speaking of non-blonds, etc. Why doesn't Dan wear contacts so > Harry's eyes are green????????????? And they only make them green on > some of the posters, books, etc. >> > > thorswitch at t... writes: > > << I don't know if this is the case, but I know that some filmmakers are very > > hesitant to use contacts on younger actors because some believe that > contacts can be hard or possibly dangerous for younger eyes. I don't know > if that's actually true or not, but because some are concerned about it >> > > I read an article (in Entertainment Weekly, I believe) that that was exactly > the case. He actually was wearing contacts at first, and they were really > bothering his eyes, so the filmaker's decided to change it digitally (or at least > that's what the article said). I guess they never got around to it, with all > the other effects in the film, I guess Harry's eyes aren't the most important > detail. > > > -Rebecca > Me again: I figured they'd just do it digitally, but oh well. So, the importance of Harry's eye color is lost in the films. At least he's still in his glasses. LOL Marci From sophiamcl at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 18:01:22 2003 From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:01:22 -0000 Subject: Dan in GoF Message-ID: I don't think I've seen it officially confirmed by WB, but everything suggests Dan will be Harry in GoF. I just thought I'd ad a sort of confirmation: Though not strictly official, it's as close to the horse's mouth as it gets for someone with no connections at WB: I (blush slightly to admit it, but I) sent a Daniel something for his birthday. Talk about trying to replenish the ocean by spitting in it, right? I guess I did it for the pleasure of saying thankyou to a terrific young actor (and a delightful Harry) even though I realized it would most likely not reach him personally. In response I recently received a nice, glossy 8X10 and a very pleasant preprinted message from Daniel. (Do you think there's staff working full-time at sending these out to all his fans? I heard he gets 500 letters a day). In it he comments on reports in the papers about his not being in GoF: "This is rubbish"---so it must be in the bag, right? Happy, happy, joy, joy over a Dan as GoF-Harry! Sophia From draco382 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:26:24 2003 From: draco382 at yahoo.com (draco382) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:26:24 -0000 Subject: Dan in GoF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Sophia, Hang on...you sent him a b-day gift and also asked him if the rumors about him quitting by the time of GOF were true, and he responded saying that they were rubbish?? wow!! I'd be thrilled...even though i'm well past Dan's age. Good to hear that Dan's not gonna be quitting on us...although i rather hoped they'd stop making the books into films altogether after book 3. There was once an interview where Dan mentions how he'd like to get into writing, and with the talent he's got, i'd like to see him do it. ~draco382 (envious fan-girl) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" wrote: > I don't think I've seen it officially confirmed by WB, but everything suggests > Dan will be Harry in GoF. I just thought I'd ad a sort of confirmation: Though > not strictly official, it's as close to the horse's mouth as it gets for someone > with no connections at WB: > > I (blush slightly to admit it, but I) sent a Daniel something for his birthday. > Talk about trying to replenish the ocean by spitting in it, right? I guess I did it > for the pleasure of saying thankyou to a terrific young actor (and a delightful > Harry) even though I realized it would most likely not reach him personally. > > In response I recently received a nice, glossy 8X10 and a very pleasant > preprinted message from Daniel. (Do you think there's staff working full-time > at sending these out to all his fans? I heard he gets 500 letters a day). In it > he comments on reports in the papers about his not being in GoF: "This is > rubbish"---so it must be in the bag, right? > > Happy, happy, joy, joy over a Dan as GoF-Harry! > > Sophia