From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca  Wed Dec  1 01:33:46 2004
From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:33:46 -0000
Subject: nonsexual Lupin
In-Reply-To: <coit1m+3aq4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coj71q+n3nb@eGroups.com>


My 2 sickles - ok when looking at the film and the werewolf Lupin 
becomes, the last thing I thought of was whether he was in love with 
Sirius or Lily - he was SEXLESS people, like a Ken doll (not even a 
bump or hair - nothing, nada, nilch) and we know what happened 
between him and Barbie. Sorry, but I thought I would add a new spin 
to the conversation. No wonder Lupin the werewolf was so distressed.
jk Sassy
here's to discussion!

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" 
<alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, I saw the same thing as you did. I thought, "Oh, poor Lupin 
> was 
> > in love with Lily and he's a werewolf!" Never crossed my mind 
about 
> > him being gay until I read it here either. Still don't think 
that. 
> > But, I'm not getting into all that again! :-)
> > 
> > Deborah
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> > <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > > From: "sopraniste" <sopraniste at y...>
> > > <snip>
> > > My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the 
> > bridge,
> > > when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily 
and
> > > James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy 
> was
> > > one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY 
> > clear
> > > to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was 
a 
> > very
> > > nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already 
my
> > > favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until 
it
> > > came up on the list that others might see him as gay.
> > > 
> > > Flop
> > > 
> > > [from Valerie]
> > > I keep wondering if this is not one of the things JKR was 
> alluding 
> > to when
> > > she said Cuaron was foreshadowing some future plot in books 6-
7. 
> > Though I
> > > know in response to an interview question she said she was not 
> > going to do a
> > > "spin-off" book, expanding on the Marauder's time period. Too 
> > bad...I find
> > > it all very fascinating.
> > > Guess I could spend lots of time debating on what exactly will 
be 
> > revealed,
> > > but hey, that's another chat group altogether, isn't it?!
> > > 
> 
> Alshain (who for the record dislikes love triangles:)
> 
> Being the voice of dissent here, I didn't interpret movie!Lupin's 
> words as a sign of romantic interest in Lily. Deep platonic love, 
> more likely. The way I saw it, there was an estrangement between 
> Remus on the one hand and James and Sirius on the other (engineered 
> by Peter, no doubt, who had set up the only Dark creature he knew 
as 
> a fall guy) in the year before Voldemort's downfall.
> 
> Lily on the other hand would never believe Remus was the spy, as 
> she's a woman with an independent mind and strong opinions, not as 
> likely to be prejudiced against werewolves as her pureblood husband 
> and his pureblood best friend (Once you get enough propaganda into 
> people, any preconceptions about ethnic minorities passed to you in 
> your childhood can start to surface again, no matter how 
intelligent 
> or well-educated you are. See Germans vs Jews, Serbs vs Bosnians, 
> Hutus vs Tutsis.) And as she isn't the one who's been bosom friends 
> with Remus since they were eleven, it wasn't as likely to be 
personal 
> for her. 
> 
> I wouldn't be surprised if Remus felt gratitude and admiration for 
> her -- she seems very much to be the kind of person he'd like to be 
> if he had the guts. He doesn't strike me as a person who'd languish 
> in unrequited love, either -- he's much too practical and has his 
> emotions too firmly under control. Most likely he'd smack himself 
> firmly over the head and tell himself to "Stop moping and get on 
with 
> it, Lupin, it's never going to work out, so go for a walk and clear 
> out the cobwebs in your attic and then get started on something 
> useful for a change."      
> 
> Then again, I also thought there was a distinct possibility that 
> Remus and Sirius had been a couple before everything went to 
pieces, 
> so I can't say how I would have reacted without that particular 
> preconception. Much the same, I hope. Actually, I don't think the 
> sexual orientation of Messrs Moony and Padfoot will have anything 
to 
> do with the price of butter. JKR writes Harry as seemingly 
regarding 
> grownups as pretty much asexual; it doesn't seem to occur to him 
that 
> they have the same kinds of hormones as he has. 
> 
> FWIW, the hug or the joint Christmas present can't be taken in a 
> vacuum, the subtext and the way the two characters act around one 
> another matter more. No shipper in my experience has said, "Only 
gay 
> men hug each other. Sirius and Remus hug. Therefore, Sirius and 
Remus 
> are gay men." In POA, Sirius is the one person who can disrupt 
Remus' 
> usual calm, and vice versa, Sirius calms down considerably once he 
> realises that Remus believes him. It isn't Dumbledore or Fudge that 
> matters for him, it's Harry and Lupin. In OOTP, Remus' presence at 
> Grimmauld Place seems to be Sirius's only hold to sanity -- the 
times 
> when he's alone are always when he's worse. And no shipper would 
> think less of Remus and Sirius' friendship just because they see 
them 
> as having / having had a sexual relationship. There's no reason you 
> can't share both romantic love and deep friendship. But as I said, 
I 
> don't think their sexual orientation is going to matter for the way 
> the story develops. They are who they are, and if they're revealed 
as 
> straight or gay or keep their asexual personas, it isn't going to 
> change their personalities overnight.
> 
> Finally, apologies for the epic. 
> Alshain






From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca  Wed Dec  1 01:49:46 2004
From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:49:46 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <1e.39a9f58d.2edd50a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <coj7vq+39k4@eGroups.com>


Just my opinion.
Sorry to point this out, but I do not find buying stolen material 
something to brag about. Bootlegs have hurt the industry so much and 
I am glad the quality is degrading. At our theatres they promote the 
snitch on a videographer before every film. If people stopped buying 
them, there would be no business. Movies on average take about 6 
months before they come out on video. 
Is it ok to take a stolen copy of HP? You might not think JKR needs 
the money, but books, cds, dvds finance more than just that project.
When someone buys a Britney Spears cd that money doesn't really reach 
her at all - it finances the smaller acts that can't afford to 
produce/promote a cd. 
Maybe they should just stop releasing anything at a theatre, book 
store or cd shop and have it available as a dvd or cd download. 
The industry knew it was in trouble when burners came out and now 
they are busy looking at ways to stop bootlegging. Disney was quite 
successful when it came to vhs, I don't know how they are with dvds 
since I have never tried to copy one. 
I saw POA 7 times and never once hoped someone was outside the 
theatre selling it on dvd. Is it really right to give a thief the 
money? I would rather Daniel benefit from it then some jerk who 
copied it. 
You can look through my collections and would be hard pressed to find 
copies, unless I have the original with it. I make copies of my own 
cds to travel with, because the car player tends to scuff them up.
I used to work in a cd/dvd store and saw the damage copying was 
doing. We would sell one cd and the 3 buddies would want blanks to 
copy it. Prices will keep going up, and why not - if they charge 
three times the amount maybe the companies would make some money back 
from the ones copying the material. 
As a writer, it isn't "write" to plagiarize written work, and in my 
opinion theft is theft, whether a film or cd is stolen/copied.
It isn't the videographer's (thief actually) property.

I know this will probably piss off some people, but that is what the 
discussion board is for...so discuss.








From bigredpanda at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 03:50:46 2004
From: bigredpanda at yahoo.com (bigredpanda)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:50:46 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <coj7vq+39k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cojf2m+v36q@eGroups.com>


Here, here!

Thievery is thievery, no matter how it's packaged.

An acquaintance invited my daughter over to watch POA at her house 
months ago.  When I told my daughter that it had probably been 
obtained illegaly, she opted to not go watch it, even though she's a 
huge HP fan.  I was very proud of her!

Diane in Nebraska


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape" 
<onceupona_party at y...> wrote:
> 
> Just my opinion.
> Sorry to point this out, but I do not find buying stolen material 
> something to brag about. Bootlegs have hurt the industry so much 
and 
> I am glad the quality is degrading. At our theatres they promote 
the 
> snitch on a videographer before every film. If people stopped 
buying 
> them, there would be no business. Movies on average take about 6 
> months before they come out on video. 
> Is it ok to take a stolen copy of HP? You might not think JKR 
needs 
> the money, but books, cds, dvds finance more than just that 
project.
> When someone buys a Britney Spears cd that money doesn't really 
reach 
> her at all - it finances the smaller acts that can't afford to 
> produce/promote a cd. 
> Maybe they should just stop releasing anything at a theatre, book 
> store or cd shop and have it available as a dvd or cd download. 
> The industry knew it was in trouble when burners came out and now 
> they are busy looking at ways to stop bootlegging. Disney was 
quite 
> successful when it came to vhs, I don't know how they are with 
dvds 
> since I have never tried to copy one. 
> I saw POA 7 times and never once hoped someone was outside the 
> theatre selling it on dvd. Is it really right to give a thief the 
> money? I would rather Daniel benefit from it then some jerk who 
> copied it. 
> You can look through my collections and would be hard pressed to 
find 
> copies, unless I have the original with it. I make copies of my 
own 
> cds to travel with, because the car player tends to scuff them up.
> I used to work in a cd/dvd store and saw the damage copying was 
> doing. We would sell one cd and the 3 buddies would want blanks to 
> copy it. Prices will keep going up, and why not - if they charge 
> three times the amount maybe the companies would make some money 
back 
> from the ones copying the material. 
> As a writer, it isn't "write" to plagiarize written work, and in 
my 
> opinion theft is theft, whether a film or cd is stolen/copied.
> It isn't the videographer's (thief actually) property.
> 
> I know this will probably piss off some people, but that is what 
the 
> discussion board is for...so discuss.






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Dec  1 21:24:54 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:24:54 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <coj7vq+39k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <colcr6+cg5v@eGroups.com>


I agree with your comments. However, there is such a huge market in 
Asia for this type of thing it would be like boiling the ocean trying 
to stop them. I would love for the studios to figure out some 
technology to make it impossible to reproduce a DVD but I fear there 
is some other means the Asian bootleggers are using. They are getting 
DVDs of films still in the cinemas. My husband's younger brother 
lives in Tokyo and he told me that most of the time a film is out 
about 2-3 days in the theater when all of a sudden you hear through 
the grapevine about being able to get it on DVD in the Philippines. 
The cost about $3 USD. He said also that you don't get any of the 
DVD "extras". And the LOTR's films are not extended versions. That is 
why I wonder if these folks are copying the DVDs or somehow recording 
off of the film at the theater and then stamping out DVDs. Either way 
it is thievery but if it isn't copying the DVDs, how do you catch the 
criminals? Unless the film has an anticopy ability. It is a big 
problem I hope can have a solution deteremined. Or the ticket prices 
are going to rise even higher I fear. And that will make bootlegging 
more prominent. I know when I saw the sneak premier of POA in Tucson, 
the theater folks checked us out for recording devices, even made me 
call someone on my cellphone and show it couldn't take photos so 
maybe they need to do that for all showings. But you are correct that 
something needs to happen.

Theresa
Who loves her new "Non-bootleg" POA DVD but cannot win at the 
Crookshanks/Scabbers game. Stupid little rat. :oP






From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  1 21:54:05 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:54:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <coj7vq+39k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041201215405.63473.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape <onceupona_party at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> You can look through my collections and would be hard pressed to find 
> copies, unless I have the original with it. I make copies of my own 
> cds to travel with, because the car player tends to scuff them up.

I was recently told that even this kind of copying is now illegal in the US. 
Does anybody know if that's true?  I used to have a tape player in my car and I
had no qualms about copying my CDs to tape, and my understanding was that it's
legal to make a copy of a legally-obtained CD for your own use.  Certainly this
has been the norm with software as well.  And for those of us with young
children, it would be nice to be able to make a backup copy of a DVD to avoid
having them ruin the original DVD, although many DVDs have copy protection that
prevents copying to VHS.  Does anybody know what current law is regarding
copying music CDs, software, and home movies?

Sherry


=====
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    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire





		
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 06:11:33 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:11:33 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] nonsexual Lupin
In-Reply-To: <coj71q+n3nb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BDD41C44.4D4%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

I just want Remus to be happy!! I was so sad for him  (and Harry) as he was
walking out of the DADA classroom, to goodness knows what friendless (or
loveless!?) fate. 
I wonder though; how close could Remus and Sirius have been, if Sirius
mistrusted Remus to the point where he'd put dork-boy Pettigrew in the
critically important position of the Potters' fidelis (sp?) keeper. And then
Remus was so quick to believe along with everyone else that Sirius was the
one who tipped Voldemort off to the Potters whereabouts? I don't get it.

Valerie

From: "Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape" <onceupona_party at yahoo.ca>

My 2 sickles - ok when looking at the film and the werewolf Lupin
becomes, the last thing I thought of was whether he was in love with
Sirius or Lily - he was SEXLESS people, like a Ken doll (not even a
bump or hair - nothing, nada, nilch) and we know what happened
between him and Barbie. Sorry, but I thought I would add a new spin
to the conversation. No wonder Lupin the werewolf was so distressed.
jk Sassy
here's to discussion!



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From AnyaSimbi at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 09:15:21 2004
From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 04:15:21 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: BLs
Message-ID: <9.38882574.2ee03729@aol.com>

I was not "bragging" about buying them, I was just pointing out they were my 
whole reason for finally getting a dvd player (in ref to the q of which do i 
like better, wide or full, and why). 

Personally, I love seeing movies in the theater, and my bigscreen attendance 
record stands at HP3:PoA @14x, X2/PotC at 11x each, LiZZiE/ LotR3:RotK/ 
SpiderMan2/ HP1:SS @ 7x each... and many other misc. movies from 1-5x each... (now 
thats bragging ^_~) 

And now that I have a dvd player, I have bought/am buying the real official 
versions too, of my fave movies/shows, usually as soon as they come out! I 
never ever buy a bootleg of something thats already available in a real retail 
store. 

I just thought bls were useful becuz I have a terribly unreliable memory, and 
when I see a great movie, *right away* I love to keep re-living it & 
obsessing over it, etc. I only recently discovered bls anyways (at a local fleamarket- 
not right outside my theater). 

Sorry to have offended anyone- what I did is just the same as renting movies 
b4 you buy them, or borrowing them from the library, cept the $3 went 
elsewhere. I already spent plenty officially for my part by going to the movies all 
thoz times anyways, and buying the dvds in the store, and buying merchandise, 
etc. 

At least I do not borrow/rent the cds/dvds from the lib or vid store and then 
go & burn them myself, becuz, *that* would be very wrong. Many ppl actually 
do that, but I rather like having the official stuff anyways. Having a bl of my 
fave movie thats not on dvd yet is simply the thing to keep me sedated while 
I wait for the real thing. 

~*SimbiAni*~ 
http://www.fanfiction.net/~PrincessSimbiAniDreamzaLuv 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SimbiFanfic 

TT]?%HAPPYYHOLiDAYS!%?]TT
Look forward to: 
Music: HilaryDuff's 2nd solo CD: "HiLARY DUFF" ! (Sept2004) 
TV Shows: CHARMED Season7, SMALLViLLE Season4 ! (Sept2004) 
Movie: on DVD "HarryPotter3: Prisoner of Azkaban" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "SpiderMan2" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "LotR3: Return of the King: Extended"! (Dec2004) 
Music: DarrenHayes' 2nd solo CD: "the Tension & the Spark" ! (2005) 

In a message dated 12/2/04 3:00:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> From: "Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape" <onceupona_party at yahoo.ca> 
> Subject: BOOTLEGS 
> Just my opinion. Sorry to point this out, but I do not find buying stolen 
> material something to brag about. 


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From patientx3 at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 11:13:44 2004
From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:13:44 -0000
Subject: HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20041126024621.0096cb80@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <comtd8+h0hv@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum <hp at p...> wrote:
>>Is the US population *so* technically and visually uneducated that 
they'd actually be willing to watch this crap? PoA is bad enough, but 
Spider-Man 2 isn't a matter or individual sequences being ruined - 
the whole movie from start to end would be unwatchable.<<

Yes they are. Not the majority by any means (widescreen versions 
always sell better then fullscreen), but there are many, MANY, people 
who have never noticed that a movie-theater screen is a different 
shape than their television screen (I have explained widescreen vs. 
fullscreen to SO many people; its not anything *new*). Personally I 
don't think that fullscreen DVDs should be produced at all. It just 
seems wrong to me. 

On the other hand though, not everyone is a movie buff. I work at a 
video store and over the last few years I've seen the switch from VHS 
to DVD, and its unfortunate that a lot of people are being forced to 
upgrade to DVD (VHS is getting harder and harder to get a hold of) 
when they don't understand the technology, nor do they really want 
to. Suddenly the screen is different and they don't understand why 
(I've even talked to people who think the top and bottom of the movie 
were cut out). 

In any case, widescreen is SO much better, please no one buy a 
fullscreen Harry Potter or any other movie, its not hard to get used 
to, and has a more "cinematic" feel. I have a small TV and that 
doesn't make a difference, I can see it fine. Once you get used to 
it, you'll never want to go back.








From patientx3 at aol.com  Thu Dec  2 11:27:42 2004
From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:27:42 -0000
Subject: PoA DVD + Subtitle Fun!
In-Reply-To: <BDCA333B.455%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <comu7e+m7r8@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie wrote:
>>So has everyone gotten their DVD yet?!!! I was excited to get the 
$12.99 CompUSA deal, as I saw it elsewhere for $24.99!<<

I have mine (o;. I was going to wait and buy it previously viewed, 
but I thought "who I am kidding?" and just went ahead and bought it 
(with my discount it was only $15.99, still more than pre-viewed, but 
I don't have to wait a month). We completely sold out of ours at my 
store by Friday night, which is too bad since we've had so many 
people come and ask for it (of course we had about twice as many 
copies of Shrek 2 for sale, the ordering is so horrifically random).  
What's nice is seeing the number of adults who are buying it or 
renting it not for a child but for themself.

I have a question though (and this applies to CoS as well), where is 
the timeline? There's a timeline of events included on the DVD right? 
I can't find it.


Also--I was watching the movie with subtitles on, and caught 
something interesting. When they are coming out of the tunnel (right 
before Lupin turns into a vampire, about 1:38 into the movie), the 
subtitles have Peter saying "Turn me into a flobberworm, anything but 
the dementors." I listened closely and you can BARELY hear him say 
it. I thought that was funny.






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 13:47:04 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:47:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA DVD + Subtitle Fun!
In-Reply-To: <comu7e+m7r8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BDD48708.4DF%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

Speaking of flobberworms, is that supposed to be a flobberworm or a skrewt
in Hagrid's hut (the one that he throws a drape over when Dumbledore, Fudge
and the executioner arrive)???
Valerie


From: "huntergreen_3" <patientx3 at aol.com>

Also--I was watching the movie with subtitles on, and caught
something interesting. When they are coming out of the tunnel (right
before Lupin turns into a vampire, about 1:38 into the movie), the
subtitles have Peter saying "Turn me into a flobberworm, anything but
the dementors." I listened closely and you can BARELY hear him say
it. I thought that was funny.



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 03:22:36 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:22:36 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] BOOTLEGS
Message-ID: <197.3334bb14.2ee135fc@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/2/2004 3:00:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Does  anybody know what current law is regarding
copying music CDs, software, and  home movies?

Sherry


Copying is against the law, period.  I'm a professional artist  and writer, 
and copyright law is something I pay close attention to.  You  cannot legally 
copy anything without written permission of the person or  corporation who 
holds the copyright.  That includes for home use.  If  you pay attention to the 
FBI warning at the front of your DVDs or VHSs, they  include a statement saying 
this film is for private home viewing only, not for  public performance or 
display.  So the law includes how the film is shown,  not just copying.  
Licensing is a big deal -- licensing is what happens  when you pay a fee to get 
permission to play someone else's song in your band,  for instance, or to use 
someone else's photo as the basis for a painting (I'm a  sculptor, not a painter, 
and I take my own photos the vast majority of the time  -- I never reproduce a 
photo exactly, but if I need to use a professional photo  to get a different 
angle than the reference shots I have from my own library, I  will pay for that 
permission if required.)
 
And on the thievery - how the heck do these idjits who buy pirated  DVD's 
think they're going to keep their players in good shape when they're using  
pirated stuff?  You don't know how that DVD's been treated before you shove  it 
into your player (or computer!!  gulp!!).  You're taking money away  from the 
production company that delivers us our Harry Potter movies -- if  you're doing 
this, STOP IT!  I hope everyone involved in such activities  gets busted.  
Disney prosecutes to the max when they catch DVD  pirates.  I imagine WB will be 
just as diligent.
 
Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



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From sarahmint at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 04:55:12 2004
From: sarahmint at yahoo.com (sarahmint at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 04:55:12 -0000
Subject: where can I find HP3 deleted scenes?
Message-ID: <coorjg+qtaj@eGroups.com>


I have just rented the Harry Potter 3:Prisoner of Azkaban 2-dvd set.  
I cannot find the "deleted scenes" the box claims to have.  On disk 
one, the special features section only provides trailers and 
cast/crew.  The second disk provides a map of Hogwarts and Hogsmead.  
Nowhere can I find the "deleted scenes".  Can someone please help me 
find it?  

Thank You
and Happy Holidays






From katiebug1233 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 06:57:38 2004
From: katiebug1233 at yahoo.com (Kate)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 06:57:38 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing?
Message-ID: <cop2p2+om9t@eGroups.com>



Hi, I have never posted on this board so if this has been posed 
before I appologize.  I wanted to post it to the HPFG main board but 
I thought that I would be yelled at for it being more about the 
movie.  JKR said that the Prisonor of Azkaban movie foreshadows 
things to come int he series and that readers would think that some 
things that are going to be revealed are really hinted at in this 
movie.  Here is my question:  In the DADA class that Snape subs, he 
asked the characteristics of a werewolf.  Hermione answers with a 
few various facts and then says that werewolves only respond to the 
call of their own kind.  This REALLY bothered me because later in 
the movie, Hermione (during the Timer Turner scene) calls werewolf!
Lupin and he goes after her howl...  Does this mean that Hermione is 
going to be bitten by Lupin in books 6 or 7?  Has she already been 
bitten and we don't know it?  I find this latter possibility hard to 
believe since surely we would have seen signs of it after 5 books... 
but possible I suppose.  Surely that isn't just script slip up...  
Hermione is always described as "bushy" (like fur?), maybe this is a 
hint?  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Katie









From clshannon at aol.com  Fri Dec  3 07:15:20 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:15:20 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing?
Message-ID: <29.67a0c008.2ee16c88@aol.com>


In a message dated 12/2/04 11:06:42 PM, katiebug1233 at yahoo.com writes:


> JKR said that the Prisonor of Azkaban movie foreshadows
> things to come int he series and that readers would think that some
> things that are going to be revealed are really hinted at in this
> movie.? Here is my question:? In the DADA class that Snape subs, he
> asked the characteristics of a werewolf.? Hermione answers with a
> few various facts and then says that werewolves only respond to the
> call of their own kind.? This REALLY bothered me because later in
> the movie, Hermione (during the Timer Turner scene) calls werewolf!
> Lupin and he goes after her howl...? Does this mean that Hermione is
> going to be bitten by Lupin in books 6 or 7?
> 

I remember when   this came up before, after Rowling's statements about the 
foreshadowing. At the time, I didn't comment, but I was rather surprised that 
folks thought that because Lupin responded   to Hermione's call that it could 
mean she becomes a werewolf later. I just thought it meant that he was 
responding to the 'call' that Hermione   made. She was imitating his own kind, hence 
his reaction. It's not like he saw her and then took after her ;-)
Anyway, I just didn't think that werewolves were intuitive enough to be able 
to tell the origin of the sound. Hermione did a pretty good job of imitating 
it. It's sort of like folks who use turkey calls when   they are hunting, lol.

So, I don't think that was the foreshadowing and I don't think Hermione is 
going to be bitten by a werewolf in the upcoming books - but that's just my 
opinion <g>
Cindy


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Dec  3 12:34:50 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:34:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] where can I find HP3 deleted scenes?
In-Reply-To: <coorjg+qtaj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BDD5C79A.4F0%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

On disk 2 click on the Professor Trelawney/Divination icon in the upper left
hand corner, and it will give you about 7 "unfinished" scenes. I assume they
were scenes they were planning on adding to the film, but either for time
consideration or because they felt the scene was 'weak', they left it out of
the final version. I think I'm spoiled by the LOTR DVDs. I was disappointed
that there was not more HP footage, extras, etc. I thought they did a good
job of gathering a lot of the cast though, for the interviews. (though, as
previously stated, I could've done without the goofy talking shrunken head.)
BTW, who was that interviewer? Is he a well-know British talk-show host or
something?

Valerie

From: sarahmint at yahoo.com

I have just rented the Harry Potter 3:Prisoner of Azkaban 2-dvd set.
I cannot find the "deleted scenes" the box claims to have.  On disk
one, the special features section only provides trailers and
cast/crew.  The second disk provides a map of Hogwarts and Hogsmead.
Nowhere can I find the "deleted scenes".  Can someone please help me
find it?  

Thank You
and Happy Holidays



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Dec  3 12:49:07 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:49:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing?
In-Reply-To: <cop2p2+om9t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BDD5CAF3.4F1%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Kate" <katiebug1233 at yahoo.com>

<snip>...  Does this mean that Hermione is
going to be bitten by Lupin in books 6 or 7?  Has she already been
bitten and we don't know it?  I find this latter possibility hard to
believe since surely we would have seen signs of it after 5 books...
but possible I suppose.  Surely that isn't just script slip up...
Hermione is always described as "bushy" (like fur?), maybe this is a
hint?  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Katie

Hmmm...interesting thought. What I'm wondering is WHY Hermione is a witch in
the first place? Both parents are Muggles. Was it way back in her ancestry?
Why does Malfoy call her a mudblood? I thought a mudblood was a half-breed
(1/2 muggle/1/2 magic). Did JKR attempt to explain that earlier in the
series?
OR,is Hermione just so darn smart that she is able to tap into that other
90% of her brain, which allows for these extra powers?
OR...WHAT IF Hermione's Mom had a one-night stand with a handsome, albeit a
bit battered and shabby, drifter who was passing through her town, and then
gave birth to Hermione??!! This would explain the "responding to his own
kind", as well as her special magical abilities.
OK, I'm losin' it. I spend hours fantasizing about HP, expanding on the
story in my mind. Been reading too much HP fanfic!!! I think I need
professional help! :-)))))

Valerie









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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 14:35:26 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:35:26 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing?
In-Reply-To: <BDD5CAF3.4F1%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe >
Why does Malfoy call her a mudblood? I thought a mudblood was a half-
breed(1/2 muggle/1/2 magic).  

Delurking for a little clarification: part muggle, part magic= half 
blood, and apparently this applies a few generations back since Harry 
is referred to as a halfblood on account of his mother, though a 
witch being of non-magic parentage. A mudblood is always a muggleborn.

Sophia






From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com  Fri Dec  3 16:03:03 2004
From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com)
Date: 3 Dec 2004 16:03:03 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] BOOTLEGS
Message-ID: <1102089783.772435526.11167.sendItem@bloglines.com>

artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
>  
> And on the thievery - how the heck do these
idjits who buy pirated  DVD's 
> think they're going to keep their players
in good shape when they're using  
> pirated stuff?  You don't know how that
DVD's been treated before you shove  it 
> into your player (or computer!!
 gulp!!).  

Now, come on. Bootlegging may have many negative effects, but
I've never heard of a pirated disc harming a DVD player. You'd probably have
more reason to fear your average muck-covered Blockbuster rental DVD than
a bootleg.


Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From amani at atlanticbb.net  Fri Dec  3 20:05:03 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:05:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing?
References: <BDD5CAF3.4F1%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001101c4d973$61f725f0$0200a8c0@Taryn>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Valerie Flowe" <valerie.flowe at verizon.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing?


>
> From: "Kate" <katiebug1233 at yahoo.com>
>
> <snip>...  Does this mean that Hermione is
> going to be bitten by Lupin in books 6 or 7?  Has she already been
> bitten and we don't know it?  I find this latter possibility hard to
> believe since surely we would have seen signs of it after 5 books...
> but possible I suppose.  Surely that isn't just script slip up...
> Hermione is always described as "bushy" (like fur?), maybe this is a
> hint?  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Katie
>
> Hmmm...interesting thought. What I'm wondering is WHY Hermione is a witch 
> in
> the first place? Both parents are Muggles. Was it way back in her 
> ancestry?
> Why does Malfoy call her a mudblood? I thought a mudblood was a half-breed
> (1/2 muggle/1/2 magic). Did JKR attempt to explain that earlier in the
> series?
> OR,is Hermione just so darn smart that she is able to tap into that other
> 90% of her brain, which allows for these extra powers?
> OR...WHAT IF Hermione's Mom had a one-night stand with a handsome, albeit 
> a
> bit battered and shabby, drifter who was passing through her town, and 
> then
> gave birth to Hermione??!! This would explain the "responding to his own
> kind", as well as her special magical abilities.
> OK, I'm losin' it. I spend hours fantasizing about HP, expanding on the
> story in my mind. Been reading too much HP fanfic!!! I think I need
> professional help! :-)))))
>
> Valerie

First, as has already been mentioned, a mudblood is a muggleborn 
wizard/witch. A halfblood is half and half.

JKR has said that muggleborn wizards just kind've spring up. It just 
happens. They don't have to have wizarding blood.

--Taryn 





From kreneeb at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 20:06:35 2004
From: kreneeb at hotmail.com (hermionekitten9)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:06:35 -0000
Subject: geeky movie trivia
Message-ID: <coqh0b+ldk9@eGroups.com>


Here is a little movie trivia for all you fans... the Prison number 
given to Sirius in the PoA movie is 24601. It's most noticeable on 
the wanted posters seen through out the film... this is the same 
prison number given to Jean Valjean from the book and musical, Les 
Miserables.

Kitten
 who hopes others find this as interesting as she did.







From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Dec  3 20:46:00 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:46:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <1102089783.772435526.11167.sendItem@bloglines.com>
References: <1102089783.772435526.11167.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <1044.4.12.232.8.1102106760.squirrel@4.12.232.8>

ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com said:

> Now, come on. Bootlegging may have many negative effects, but
> I've never heard of a pirated disc harming a DVD player. You'd probably
> have
> more reason to fear your average muck-covered Blockbuster rental DVD than
> a bootleg.

Point!

Though, I'm guilty of having one bootleg because I wanted those bad Asian
subtitles like LOTR's Eomer saying 'long have I wanted my sister'.

For me, it doesn't matter if I have a copy of the movie or not... I'll
still only visit the theater once.  If I like the movie enough, I'll buy
the DVD.  However, I'm not really a 'movie buff'; I'm more of a 'channel
flipper'.  As a result, I'll tend to wait for the HP movies to appear on
[cable] TV, instead of popping in my VHS copies or DVDs.

Dina





From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 22:02:12 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:02:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] where can I find HP3 deleted scenes?
In-Reply-To: <BDD5C79A.4F0%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20041203220212.57000.qmail@web53204.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> On disk 2 click on the Professor Trelawney/Divination icon in the upper left
> hand corner, and it will give you about 7 "unfinished" scenes.

I don't know about anybody else, but I have to play disc 2 on my computer. 
When I put it in my DVD player, it recognizes it as a DVD (as opposed to a CD
or MP3s or whatever else it can play), and goes into "play" mode, but I just
get a black screen and the counter never advances.  I put it in my DVD-ROM, and
no problem (plus I can use my mouse to navigate, always a plus).  Of course,
this is not the only wonky behaviour from my DVD player.  When I play the CoS
movie, my menus are all in Spanish but the audio defaults to English!  Not a
big deal as we speak Spanish, but I don't even know how to change the menu
language if I wanted to!  Anybody else have problems like these?

BTW, I wish they had kept most of those scenes.  The extra footage of the
bluebird I could do without, although the full flute solo is fun.  But Sir
Cadogan was a riot, and the scene with McGonagall scolding Neville just needed
another take.  The one in the Great Hall after Hogsmead was fun too, although
the Sneak-o-Scope could have been left out since it never shows up again.

Sherry


=====
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    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire




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From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  3 22:23:37 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:23:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] nonsexual Lupin
In-Reply-To: <BDD41C44.4D4%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20041203222337.68313.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> I wonder though; how close could Remus and Sirius have been, if Sirius
> mistrusted Remus to the point where he'd put dork-boy Pettigrew in the
> critically important position of the Potters' fidelis (sp?) keeper. And then
> Remus was so quick to believe along with everyone else that Sirius was the
> one who tipped Voldemort off to the Potters whereabouts? I don't get it.

For the first part of your question, Sirius and James simply underestimated
Pettigrew.  They switched to him because he was least likely to be suspected by
Voldemort to be entrusted with this information (in their view; obviously they
didn't know he was already working for the big V).  They may have even been
subject to a latent werewolf prejudice; as somebody else pointed out, James and
Sirius have grown up with this bias, so they're not totally immune to it.  They
didn't know who to trust, Sirius didn't even trust *himself*, so they chose the
friend they thought Voldemort would least expect.

For the second part, Remus didn't know about the switch, and it probably never
occurred to him that his two best friends would switch without telling him.  He
believed Sirius was the one because as far as he knew, Sirius was the only
person it could possibly have been.

Sherry


=====
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From caseylane at wideopenwest.com  Fri Dec  3 17:18:18 2004
From: caseylane at wideopenwest.com (Casey)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 17:18:18 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <coj7vq+39k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coq74q+46tb@eGroups.com>



Earlier this year my daughter's boyfriend was in China for a couple 
of weeks. He broght home a bunch of movies he had purchased in a 
store for $0.85 USD. These included Spiderman 2, Shrek 2, Starsky & 
Hutch, Troy and so on. We watched them but didn't keep them. The PoA 
was pretty crappy but Shrek 2 was well done and included the 
extra's. Considering it was still showing in theatres we were really 
surprised.

Did we still buy the DVD's when they came out? You bet. It goes to 
support the movie and the actors so we did it anyway. I haven't made 
copies of them yet so I don't know how they will turn out. The 
reason I want to make copies? We have a 3 yo living in our house and 
the day I fished 5 DVD's out of my player (for one) I decided to get 
a DVD burner. I plan on continuing to buy the DVD's but only use the 
copies, keeping the masters safely in my bedroom bookcase.

Casey












From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec  4 06:27:07 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 06:27:07 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <1102089783.772435526.11167.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <corlbr+jnlm@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote:
> artsylynda at a... wrote:
> Now, come on. Bootlegging may have many negative effects, but
> I've never heard of a pirated disc harming a DVD player. You'd 
probably have
> more reason to fear your average muck-covered Blockbuster rental 
DVD than
> a bootleg.
> 
> 
> Manda
> --
> http://www.jenesaisoz.com

Every daggone time I rent a DVD from Blockbuster, and I mean *every 
time* it's got a scratch or dirt or something.  But believe or not, 
it was my (legal) copy of Sorcerer's Stone that somehow made my laser 
go berserk a couple of years ago.  My husband wound up being glad I 
had talked him into the extended warranty on that one.  Somehow women 
know...

Anyway, while I don't see how a pirated disk would harm your dvd 
player, I disagree with the distribution and sale of bootlegs on a 
moral and ethical level.  Parading unethical practices is not the 
purpose of this group; I'd rather not hear about it.  And come on, 
you never know what you're going to get in quality.  

imamommy






From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca  Sat Dec  4 15:20:43 2004
From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:20:43 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <corlbr+jnlm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coskkb+sq9o@eGroups.com>


Relating to this topic:
A Los Angeles man who used a device to access pay-TV movies via 
satellite illegally, record them on his computer, then copy them onto 
DVD discs and sell them on eBay was sentenced to three years' 
probation Wednesday. William Jefferson Philputt was also ordered to 
pay a fine of $817 to the Motion Picture Association of America 
(MPAA) and serve six months in home confinement. Meanwhile, it was 
reported that a Japanese businessman in Tokyo had received a three-
year suspended sentence for posting A Beautiful Mind on an Internet 
peer-to-peer network. The MPAA hailed the outcome of the case as "a 
judicial milestone not only in Japan, but globally." 

Buying bootlegs does hurt people - why see HP when I can buy the 
bootleg - Warner Brothers response - why make the fifth HP when 
people are buying the bootleg - makes sense to me - you are paying a 
thief for somebody else's property and yet someone sees nothing wrong 
with that...I heard about a month or so ago that California is 
focusing undercover investigations on DVD bootlegs (either copying 
the DVD or filming the original in the theatre). This is a major 
industry and although not as damaging as illegal drugs are to 
addicts, bootlegs are diverting police forces to stop this practice.

These criminals are profiting off material that is not theirs - and 
if you buy a bootleg you are supporting them.








From redina at silverbloom.net  Sat Dec  4 17:47:09 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 12:47:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <coskkb+sq9o@eGroups.com>
References: <corlbr+jnlm@eGroups.com> <coskkb+sq9o@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1048.4.12.232.25.1102182429.squirrel@4.12.232.25>

Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape said:

> Relating to this topic:

Speaking of 'relating to this topic':
http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrwbd.shtml

"I think any book that sets out to teach or preach is likely to be hard
going at times (though I can think of a couple of exceptions)."

Dina






From vincentjh at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  5 06:57:53 2004
From: vincentjh at yahoo.com (vincentjh)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 06:57:53 -0000
Subject: Arrgh!! DVD Frustrations...
In-Reply-To: <co3jee+65hh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <coubhh+8jao@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "daughterofthedust" 
<daughterofthedust at y...> wrote:
> 
> I am a BIG DVD fan.  As such, I find myself dissappointed time and 
> time again, with the Potter DVDs' extra features.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Here are some gripes:
> 
> #1 Movie Version WITH commentary...I would have LOVED to hear 
insight 
> on why certain scenes were added, how actors interpreted things, 
and 
> just plain silly anecdotes on the moment.

I would have loved to hear commentary, too. Especially now that the 
actors are older, I am sure they'd be able to give us more detailed 
and in-depth information and interpretation.

One thing I really like about my LotR DVD is that, in addition to 
the commetary, they also interviewed the director and writer to 
explain why they interpreted certain characters so much differently 
from how most of the readers understand them (most notably Faramir). 
Although I do not think the change(s) work effectively in terms of 
the over-all story-line, I do appreciate knowing why they did what 
they did.

I am sure a lot of HP fans are dying to know why Hermione becomes a 
superwoman and Ron's brave moments were given to her. I'd even like 
to know what Rupert thinks of that - he once said that he loves book 
III because lots of things happened to Ron. But in all the post-PoA 
interviews, he simply pointed out that Ron/he is taller and his 
voice is deeper. Well, there's not much growing for Ron to do in 
movie PoA from the script. So he has not much to talk about if the 
question is only framed that way. (How has Ron matured? What are the 
changes he went through?...etc.) 

It's difficult for me and for many HP readers who do not interpret 
Ron the way Kloves/Columbus/Cuaron interpret him to think that the 
hero's best friend is no more than a comic relieve. He was never a 
clown in the books and I have a feeling that he would do something 
important down the road. If that does happen, how are the movie 
makers going to convince us that Ron the wimpy clown can be hero for 
the day?

The changes to Hermione's character also might be problematic later 
on when Ginny emerges into a brave, witty, independent young woman 
with leader quality. How are they going to differentiate movie Ginny 
from movie Hermione, who is, on top of being book smart, also a 
brave, assertive, and slightly rebellious leader?

> #2 More cut scenes, please also WITH commentary.
> 
> #3 I understand all the cute games and such are fun for the kids, 
but 
> PLEASE provide EASY to see SHORTCUTS for adults and kids who may 
not 
> want to be bothered.

Yes! I hate all the tricky detours. Maybe they should release adult 
version DVDs?

> #4 Where were the rest of the Gryffindors? and Sltyherins? How 
about 
> interviewing the Weasley's?

They sort of interviewed the Weasleys with the Gryffindors. Already 
an improvement, I'd say.

> #5 More on details of the production that weren't highlighted but 
> were CLEARLY from the book (like the blast-ended skrut(sp.?), 
Hagrid 
> fed.

That could really help all us fans to pick out possible clues for 
book 6 & 7.

> Maurader's Map design, etc...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
---
> 
> daughter
> @)--/---
> 
> 
> "A book is not a film. A film is not a book."

VJ,
who hasn't posted for who knows how long....






From patientx3 at aol.com  Sun Dec  5 11:47:27 2004
From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:47:27 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <corlbr+jnlm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cousgf+s9ue@eGroups.com>


imamommy wrote:
>>Every daggone time I rent a DVD from Blockbuster, and I mean *every
time* it's got a scratch or dirt or something. But believe or not,
it was my (legal) copy of Sorcerer's Stone that somehow made my laser
go berserk a couple of years ago. My husband wound up being glad I
had talked him into the extended warranty on that one. Somehow women
know...<<

Its because people don't seem to care about something that isn't 
theirs (that's how a movie that's only been rented 10 times can look 
like its been dragged across the pavement when movies I own that'd 
I've watched *many* times over work fine). There are a lot of factory 
defects out there, it happens a lot more often then you'd think. 
Brand new movies that are choppy, skip, or have other problems.

On the subject of bootlegs though, I'd like to point out that not 
everyone who downloads a movie is doing so to "get it for free". 
There is a lull between a movie being released in theaters and it 
being released on DVD. If you want to watch a movie at home during 
that lull downloading (or buying a bootleg, I suppose) is the only 
way to get it. Those versions are usually EXTREMELY poor in quality, 
especially compared to a DVD, so anyone that would rather have that 
then shell out $20 for a DVD probably wouldn't buy the DVD anyway. 

Uh, back to HP, I'd like to point out that all three Harry Potter 
movies made plenty of money in the box office and have made plenty in 
DVD sales. I think the concern over bootlegs and downloaded movies is 
more hysteria than anything else. There hasn't been a major decline 
in ticket sales, and since more and more people are buying DVD 
players, DVD sales are only going up. Music is industry I'd say that 
has reason to worry, but I don't see any cause for concern with 
movies. 






From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec  5 15:21:36 2004
From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:21:36 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cousgf+s9ue@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cov920+7qqe@eGroups.com>


Can somebody explain to me why parents are giving their children 
dvds? I could never understand this when I was in sales and one 
parent would comment that the toddler would only wreck it. When did 
parents stop parenting - has the word "no" left parental vocabulary? 
My parents would have smacked my hand and I would have known no meant 
no - dvds are not toys people. This always confuses me - I am not 
saying all parents by the way, but I am sure you know someone like 
this - the parents I know do not allow their children to play with 
dvds, and are still not allowed to put them into the player. The most 
they do are hand the cases to the parents.

I never would purchase a previously viewed (yes money goes back to 
the producers) child's dvd because I know parents let kids play with 
them. 

I remember when cds first came out and people thought they were 
indestructible, then would try and exchange the item after it 
shattered when THEY threw the indestructible cd against the wall.

Are there parental warnings on dvd packages to keep children away 
from them, or is somebody going to sue the manufacturer one day 
because a kid gets cut on one.






From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 05:55:14 2004
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 05:55:14 -0000
Subject: PoA DVD
In-Reply-To: <1e1.2fbca0fc.2ecc72a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cp0s82+9bns@eGroups.com>



I found the DVD very annoying an disappointing.

I was delighted at the opportunity to see the movie slowly, and 
rewind and see it again and again.

But it was difficult to navigate the special features.

The interviews were excruciating!
The interview-er was an idiot...I kept wishing he would SHUT UP and 
let the actors answer the questions at greater length. 

He kept consulting his clipboard, at times obviously didn't know the 
names of the actors, and mispronounced things.

I was totally uninterested in his "wink wink" innuendoes about 
the "girls" who were wild over the teenage boys....I wanted to tell 
HIM to grow up, the teenage actors were far more mature than he was...

The deleted scenes were disappointing.....I had hoped for a lot more 
depth.

Susan






From faura2002 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 14:49:02 2004
From: faura2002 at yahoo.com (faura2002)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:49:02 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <colcr6+cg5v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cp1rgu+dpfa@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:
> 
> I agree with your comments. However, there is such a huge market in 
> Asia for this type of thing it would be like boiling the ocean 
trying to stop them. I would love for the studios to figure out some 
technology to make it impossible to reproduce a DVD but I fear there 
is some other means the Asian bootleggers are using. They are getting 
DVDs of films still in the cinemas. My husband's younger brother 
lives in Tokyo and he told me that most of the time a film is out 
about 2-3 days in the theater when all of a sudden you hear through 
the grapevine about being able to get it on DVD in the Philippines....


We don't have the exclusive "rights" in bootlegging. As far as i 
know, bootlegged foreign films do not originate from here, they are 
smuggled in, or at least the "master" copy. Just try watching one, 
especially if it was taken inside a cinemahouse, and you'll hear a 
completely different language (sometimes even English), not ours. And 
most of them have subtitles in Chinese script or Bahasa. They are 
made by some kind of mafia and then smuggled throughout Asia.


faura
from manila.

 






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Dec  6 18:46:21 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:46:21 -0000
Subject: BOOTLEGS
In-Reply-To: <cp1rgu+dpfa@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cp29dt+h675@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "faura2002" <faura2002 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > I agree with your comments. However, there is such a huge market 
in 
> > Asia for this type of thing it would be like boiling the ocean 
> trying to stop them. I would love for the studios to figure out 
some 
> technology to make it impossible to reproduce a DVD but I fear 
there 
> is some other means the Asian bootleggers are using. They are 
getting 
> DVDs of films still in the cinemas. My husband's younger brother 
> lives in Tokyo and he told me that most of the time a film is out 
> about 2-3 days in the theater when all of a sudden you hear through 
> the grapevine about being able to get it on DVD in the 
Philippines....
> 
> 
> We don't have the exclusive "rights" in bootlegging. As far as i 
> know, bootlegged foreign films do not originate from here, they are 
> smuggled in, or at least the "master" copy. Just try watching one, 
> especially if it was taken inside a cinemahouse, and you'll hear a 
> completely different language (sometimes even English), not ours. 
And 
> most of them have subtitles in Chinese script or Bahasa. They are 
> made by some kind of mafia and then smuggled throughout Asia.
> 
> 
> faura
> from manila.
My apologies if I made it sound as if these originate in Asia. I just 
know my brother-in-law's friends buy loads of "bootleg" DVDs 
everytime they go to go scuba diving in Guam, Bali and the 
Philipines. So I don't know which locale they actually purchase 
these. They all live in Tokyo. I was just emailing back and forth 
with him and he did confirm the copies are made there and then sold 
for like $1 USD but he has no idea where the bootleggers get the 
originals. And he also said he heard there are markets like that all 
over the world. Shame. 
I understand the ones his friends bought are all in English. He also 
told me that there is something funky about them, as his one friends 
told him that he has to clean his DVD player a lot. Plus the ones 
they have contain no extra things (like interviews or games). I told 
my brother-in-law if I will disown him if he buys any. He said I 
shouldn't worry about it as he would be afraid to be caught. Anyway, 
once again I apologizes if it sounded like that was the only place 
making them. I was just trying to say that I heard there is a HUGE 
market over there and since you mention a mafia connection - now it 
doesn't surprise me. Still I wish there was a way to stop them. I 
guess it is kind of like hackers who as soon as the virus detection 
softwares figure one out - they create another.






From AnyaSimbi at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 18:53:55 2004
From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:53:55 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DVDs & kids
Message-ID: <1e9.308480d7.2ee604c3@aol.com>

My friend's mom does the same thing for her lil sis (age6 now, and the 
friend, 26, doesnt live at home currently). The lil girl is spoiled with every new 
kids movie that comes out on dvd, but theyre usually scratched up and/or lost 
in only a month or two. She has a bunch of cds in the same condition, too. I 
just dont understand it... LoL. 

~*SimbiAni*~ 
http://www.fanfiction.net/~PrincessSimbiAniDreamzaLuv 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SimbiFanfic 

TT]?%HAPPYYHOLiDAYS!%?]TT
Look forward to: 
Music: HilaryDuff's 2nd solo CD: "HiLARY DUFF" ! (Sept2004) 
TV Shows: CHARMED Season7, SMALLViLLE Season4 ! (Sept2004) 
Movie: on DVD "HarryPotter3: Prisoner of Azkaban" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "SpiderMan2" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "LotR3: Return of the King: Extended"! (Dec2004) 
Music: DarrenHayes' 2nd solo CD: "the Tension & the Spark" ! (2005) 

In a message dated 12/5/04 8:21:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> From: "Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape" <onceupona_party at yahoo.ca> 
> Subject: DVDs and kids 
> Can somebody explain to me why parents are giving their children dvds? I 
> could never understand this when I was in sales and one parent would comment 
> that the toddler would only wreck it. 



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From AnyaSimbi at aol.com  Mon Dec  6 19:04:47 2004
From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:04:47 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: dvd issues & bls
Message-ID: <20.39b2076c.2ee6074f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/5/04 8:21:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> From: "huntergreen_3" <patientx3 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: BOOTLEGS
> On the subject of bootlegs though, I'd like to point out that not everyone 
> who downloads a movie is doing so to "get it for free". There is a lull 
> between a movie being released in theaters and it being released on DVD. If you 
> want to watch a movie at home during that lull, then downloading (or buying a 
> bootleg, I suppose) is the only way to get it. Those versions are usually 
> EXTREMELY poor in quality, especially compared to a DVD, so anyone that would 
> rather have that then shell out $20 for a DVD probably wouldn't buy the DVD 
> anyway. 
~*~ 

[simbiani] 

Thank you. I'm one of thoz who are simply obsessed and just want every 
version (of my fave movies) as soon as it comes out, LoL, theater/home, wide/full, 
boot/official, it doesnt matter, as long as I can watch it when I crave it, 
then I wont mind buying it, LoL (as long as I can afford it). 

On the subject of (official)dvds in general, I just bought both SpiderMan1&2, 
and finally HP3. I have to agree with the person who said we've "been spoiled 
by the LotR dvds", I cant get enough of the extended editions (RotK out on 
Dec14! ^_^) and can only wish that the HP dvds were just as good! hehe... 

~*SimbiAni*~ 
http://www.fanfiction.net/~PrincessSimbiAniDreamzaLuv 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SimbiFanfic 

TT]?%HAPPYYHOLiDAYS!%?]TT
Look forward to: 
Music: HilaryDuff's 2nd solo CD: "HiLARY DUFF" ! (Sept2004) 
TV Shows: CHARMED Season7, SMALLViLLE Season4 ! (Sept2004) 
Movie: on DVD "HarryPotter3: Prisoner of Azkaban" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "SpiderMan2" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "LotR3: Return of the King: Extended"! (Dec2004) 
Music: DarrenHayes' 2nd solo CD: "the Tension & the Spark" ! (2005) 


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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Dec  6 19:07:28 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:07:28 -0000
Subject: Lupin's sexuality and feelings for Lily revisted
Message-ID: <cp2alg+dcvg@eGroups.com>


Hello all,
I just rewatched the POA DVD again over the weekend (twice) and I 
paid especial attention to the scenes we have been discussing:

1st the Bridge scene and his comments on Lily. I think this one is 
the more vague of the two scenes. He does seem to care for Lily when 
he mentions her but I don't know if it was just appreciative that she 
was there for him or actual love in a romantic way. I would hesitate 
to think he would think of her that way knowing his loyalty to his 
friends and knowing that James fancied Lily. I tend to think Lily was 
the only one still being friendly when the mistrust was going around. 
Afterall, Sirius and James apparently thought Remus was the spy. How 
awful that must have been for him. Anyway, I do believe this scene 
forshadows something in the 6th or 7th book (one of the things JKR 
mentioned) but I think it was that Lily believed Remus to be innocent 
and was always kind to him not that he was in love with her.

2nd the scene where Remus says goodbye...I listened to this scene 
several times during one of my viewings and have come to the 
conclusion. Remus is referring only to being a werewolf NOT 
insinuating that he is gay. He specifically states that "someone let 
slip the nature of my condition and parents would not want someone 
like me teaching their children". So he means the werewolf part. I 
now feel that Alfonso meant his comment about the gay uncle to be an 
analogy to 'don't ask don't tell' type of mentality. You really don't 
talk about the gay uncle and who would talk about having a werewolf 
in the family. Personally, I think that mentality is silly but it 
exist. We have a lady here where I work that I once said she and her 
girlfriend were coming to a party and someone said I shouldn't 
mention the girlfriend because 'we don't talk about those things at 
work'. I told him to bug off that I was trying to get an accurate 
headcount and didn't care if she was bringing a wookie as her date, I 
needed the list.

I still don't get the style of Remus' clothes or the record player 
(thought muggle devices didn't work in Hogwarts). Maybe he buys his 
clothes at a thrift store and he can get those really cheap. I find 
that style more silly and not significant of sexual preferrence.

Theresa






From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  7 00:22:53 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:22:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cov920+7qqe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041207002253.25994.qmail@web53208.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape <onceupona_party at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Can somebody explain to me why parents are giving their children 
> dvds? I could never understand this when I was in sales and one 
> parent would comment that the toddler would only wreck it. When did 
> parents stop parenting - has the word "no" left parental vocabulary? 
> My parents would have smacked my hand and I would have known no meant 
> no - dvds are not toys people. This always confuses me - I am not 
> saying all parents by the way, but I am sure you know someone like 
> this - the parents I know do not allow their children to play with 
> dvds, and are still not allowed to put them into the player. The most 
> they do are hand the cases to the parents.

I was the one who mentioned wanting to copy a DVD to VHS for my kids, so I
think I should clarify.  I do NOT let my kids play with DVDs as if they were
toys.  I do let my daughter (going on 8) put in her own DVDs, as I consider it
part of her self-sufficiency to do such things for herself.  She has to ask
permission to put in a movie (VHS or DVD), and I limit her television time, but
when she does watch a movie, she puts it in and works the menus and so forth. 
Same with the computer.  Same with making snacks, choosing her own clothes,
etc.

HOWEVER, since I have made the decision to let my kids do some things for
themselves, accidents do happen.  Milk spills, DVDs get scratched.  I don't let
them do things for themselves when there is a potential for injury, but I do
encourage them to stretch.  I'm also trying to teach them the responsibility of
putting things away and taking care of their things, especially fragile things
like DVDs and CDs.  My daughter is getting very good at this; my 5-year-old son
still has a ways to go, so he only gets to handle VHS tapes for now.  It would
be nice to be able to copy a widescreen DVD to VHS for him, which is why I
posed the legal question.

I don't consider it my job as a parent to police their stuff and rescue every
forgotten toy, or to do every little thing for them.  I do consider it my job
as a parent to teach them to be responsible and self-sufficient (within reason
for their ages), and that means taking risks and making mistakes.  With a
toddler, no, I would not let them handle their own DVDs - but with a nearly
8-year-old, you bet.  It's not that the word "no" has left my vocabulary - it's
just that I'm very careful that there's always a "because" behind it (whether
articulated or not).  Too many random "no's" make kids stop listening - I
submit my own childhood as an example.  My kids know I have a reason when I
don't let them do something, and that helps them sort out how the world works
and learn the consequences of their actions.  It also gives them some degree of
control over things they're ready to take control of, gradually and in a safe
way.  I don't know if this is the best way; only time will tell if my kids grow
up to be responsible adults, and even then I can only guess how much of it is
due to my parenting style.  But I will continue to let my daughter handle her
own DVDs, and my son too as soon as he demonstrates a little more
responsibility.

Sherry


=====
"Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open."
    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire





		
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From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Wed Dec  8 14:42:18 2004
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:42:18 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Sirus... gay?
Message-ID: <v01540b00bddc8d16ea48@[217.154.249.234]>

Sorry to bring this up again, folks, but I am behind in reading
posts...have just had the experience of trying to read *a whole month's*
backlog from the main list; won't do that again in a hurry!

susan mcgee said:-

>The director of the PoA has clearly instituted a gay subtext...when
>Lupin says that "people like him" are used to moving....

I'm glad you specify the director, because the book very clearly says
'[Snape]...let slip that I am a werewolf...parents...will not want a
werewolf teaching their children.'

Yes, JKR read and approved the script, but it's entirely possible that the
homosexual interpretation never occurred to her, since she had been so
specific that it's the lycanthropy that's the problem.

>his use of
>the music in facing the Boggart, his tweeds, his gentleness....

well, on  behalf of all British jazz-loving, tweed-wearing, non-violent
straight blokes (and there are a lot of us), I would suggest that your
criteria for judging sexuality are not reliable....not in this country,
anyway. And Lupin is a Brit!

>When Lupin is turning into the werewolf, he cries "Padfoot,
>padfoot.."

No, he doesn't.
The line is 'bad idea, bad idea'. It's not well-enunciated, sounding more
like 'badeye .... dear', but it definitely isn't 'Padfoot'. Moreover, it
isn't Lupin who says it. Watch closely next time. Lupin is whimpering
whilst the line is being uttered, and the lips moving in time to the words
are...Ron's. He's talking to Hermione.

>
>JKR will tell us (eventually) what the real deal is...

or perhaps not, if it hasn't occurred to her. Don't forget that Cuaron is
mischievous on the subject of sexuality, and things that he puts into the
film in this respect may have nothing to do with JKR.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From MuirninCocan at msn.com  Wed Dec  8 19:58:31 2004
From: MuirninCocan at msn.com (muirnincocan)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:58:31 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <20041207002253.25994.qmail@web53208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cp7md7+r5bp@eGroups.com>


INTENTIONALLY UNSNIPPED!
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sherry Garfio <sgarfio at y...> wrote:
> --- Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape <onceupona_party at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Can somebody explain to me why parents are giving their children 
> > dvds? I could never understand this when I was in sales and one 
> > parent would comment that the toddler would only wreck it. When did 
> > parents stop parenting - has the word "no" left parental vocabulary? 
> > My parents would have smacked my hand and I would have known no meant 
> > no - dvds are not toys people. This always confuses me - I am not 
> > saying all parents by the way, but I am sure you know someone like 
> > this - the parents I know do not allow their children to play with 
> > dvds, and are still not allowed to put them into the player. The most 
> > they do are hand the cases to the parents.
> 
> I was the one who mentioned wanting to copy a DVD to VHS for my
kids, so I
> think I should clarify.  I do NOT let my kids play with DVDs as if
they were
> toys.  I do let
 my daughter (going on 8) put in her own DVDs, as I consider it
> part of her self-sufficiency to do such things for herself.  She has
to ask
> permission to put in a movie (VHS or DVD), and I limit her
television time, but
> when she does watch a movie, she puts it in and works the menus and
so forth. 
> Same with the computer.  Same with making snacks, choosing her own
clothes,
> etc.
> 
> HOWEVER, since I have made the decision to let my kids do some
things for
> themselves, accidents do happen.  Milk spills, DVDs get scratched. 
I don't let
> them do things for themselves when there is a potential for injury,
but I do
> encourage them to stretch.  I'm also trying to teach them the
responsibility of
> putting things away and taking care of their things, especially
fragile things
> like DVDs and CDs.  My daughter is getting very good at this; my
5-year-old son
> still has a ways to go, so he only gets to handle VHS tapes for now.
 It would
> be nice to be able to copy a widescreen DVD to VHS for him, which is
why I
> posed the legal question.
> 
> I don't consider it my job as a parent to police their stuff and
rescue every
> forgotten toy, or to do every little thing for them.  I do consider
it my job
> as a parent to teach them to be responsible and self-sufficient
(within reason
> for their ages), and that means taking risks and making mistakes. 
With a
> toddler, no, I would not let them handle their own DVDs - but with a
nearly
> 8-year-old, you bet.  It's not that the word "no" has left my
vocabulary - it's
> just that I'm very careful that there's always a "because" behind it
(whether
> articulated or not).  Too many random "no's" make kids stop
listening - I
> submit my own childhood as an example.  My kids know I have a reason
when I
> don't let them do something, and that helps them sort out how the
world works
> and learn the consequences of their actions.  It also gives them
some degree of
> control over things they're ready to take control of, gradually and
in a safe
> way.  I don't know if this is the best way; only time will tell if
my kids grow
> up to be responsible adults, and even then I can only guess how much
of it is
> due to my parenting style.  But I will continue to let my daughter
handle her
> own DVDs, and my son too as soon as he demonstrates a little more
> responsibility.
> 
> Sherry

Thank you so much for voicing this... I had intended to direct my
comments upon this previous posting sooner but due to time constraints
was unable to do so... 

I myself have a 5 and 3 year old... both are brilliant intelligent
children... their vocabularies far exceed many of their much older
cousins... I too believe in helping to teach my children self-reliance
and self-sufficiancy without neglect... 

I personally was offended by Severina's implication that a comment
about a parent saying their toddler would only wreck it was bad
parenting... My son is a monkey... no matter how high I place things,
behind locked doors... some how he has developed a way of reaching
things... Is this bad parenting? Or is this a marauder in training... 

Between my husband and I we have 4 copies of each of the Harry Potter
movies... some in VHS some in DVD... my son personally got his hands
upon CoS wanting to rewatch it... over and over again... He even went
so far as to figure out how to turn on the tv and the DVD player all
while I was in the bathroom... My son at the time was only JUST turned
3 years old... 

What I am trying to say is that not every parent is a bad parent...
and believe it or not in some parts of the US, a slap on the hand is
considered child abuse and subject to having your child taken and put
into a 'more suitable environment'.

I was appauled when a friend of mine had the Police and DCFS called
upon her in a department store when her son had picked up something
from a shelf and she had slapped his hand... What ensued was an
embarassment to her and her family... There was no violence in the
action... but she now is watched... and unfortunately her son who is
now older has 'tried' to get away with things claiming child abuse... 

If I had the ability would I copy a DVD? Yes, I would... I believe
there is a way for it to be transfered onto VHS as well using one of
the ALL in One player/recorders... do I condone Bootlegging??? No... I
believe that bootlegging is a form of theft... but if it is for your
own private use, copying is and should not be punished... 

I honestly believe that children should learn to do for themselves at
a young age and that in all things Love is an important factor... I am
thrilled that my children are able to do things and understand more
then their peers... I am truly blessed by this... 

BTW... my daughters first multisyllabic word was "Wingardium Leviosa"
she was just over 14 months old... so go figure...

Muirnin






From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 10 03:43:53 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:43:53 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cp7md7+r5bp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpb61p+rn1l@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "muirnincocan" 
<MuirninCocan at m...> wrote:
> BTW... my daughters first multisyllabic word was "Wingardium 
Leviosa"
> she was just over 14 months old... so go figure...
> 
> Muirnin

imamommy:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one with a toddler who loves HP.  When I 
got Sorcerer's Stone on DVD, he was about 13 months old.  I got 
pregnant with his sister that month as well, and during my pregnancy 
I often watched HP with him, for the simple reason I liked it better 
than Barney, and oddly enough he likes it, too.  One of the cutest 
things he said when he was not quite two was, "Hay-ee Poller, 
Spooky,"  referencing the scene with Harry and Lockhart in CoS where 
Harry first hears the bodiless voice and says, "Spooky."  

Now, we did wind up going the rounds with some snake and spider 
nightmares, and occasionally now (he's three now, btw) he uses HP as 
an excuse to not do something, eg:  I can't clean up my toys because 
Voldemort's in the toy room.  To which mom replies, Here's your 
(Zonko's Joke) Wand, dear, go say Expecto Patronum.  

I worried that even though he handled the first two pretty well, the 
third would be too scary, so the plan was not to let him see it, 
but...it was the second movie at the drive-in when we went to see 
Shrek 2, and we had the idea that he would watch Shrek and fall 
asleep for HP, but he did just the opposite.  Now that it's out on 
DVD, the idea was that he wouldn't watch it but through a variety of 
circumstances he's seen it a couple more times.  Fortunately, he 
doesn't seem upset by it.  

Some folk have criticised me for letting my small chlidren see things 
like this, but I think it really depends on the kids.  My son really, 
really likes these movies, he gets totally engrossed, and of course I 
can't really blame him.  We have used the scary moments as an 
opportuntity to teach, so "Mommy, there's dementors!" turns into a 
discussion about how we can think happy thoughts when we're scared, 
etc.  He doesn't seem unhinged by it, it lacks sex, drugs, or major 
violence, for which I'm grateful, and it is something we have formed 
a bond over.  

imamommy
PS, on the original subject--my son actually handles DVD's and CD's 
pretty well, we haven't had any major scratches since he was about 18 
mos. old.  Plus, he's the only one in the family to know what all the 
buttons on the remote are for:)






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Dec 10 07:06:13 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:13 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cpb61p+rn1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpbht5+kirb@eGroups.com>


snip
> PS, on the original subject--my son actually handles DVD's and CD's 
> pretty well, we haven't had any major scratches since he was about 
18 
> mos. old.  Plus, he's the only one in the family to know what all 
the 
> buttons on the remote are for:)

That's funny but sadly true nowadays. Anyway...
I would have to agree with you about depending on the child for both 
your subjects - scary movie bits and handling the DVDs. My sons are 
now 13 and 9 3/4 (he pointed that out to me just today)...anyway, 
first on the handling - mine do really well actually and have since 
they were toddlers with computer cds (showed my oldest how to play 
education software and the age of 4 and his brother at about 3). They 
have always put in their own videos (even that dreaded purple 
dinosaur) and also music cds. I showed them how to never touch the 
written side and believe it or not they have always been cautious how 
they handle cds and now DVDs. The tapes sometime became building 
blocks (at least they were in their boxes). They even have a 
PlayStation 2 and treat the disc well. However, my sister-in-law's 2 
boys (nearly 9 and 5) touch cds and DVDs, drop them on the floor, 
spill stuff on them etc. And they have always been allowed to put in 
their own movies (except at my house). I have been trying to show 
them proper care. So I really think it depends on the kids.
As for the scary parts, my youngest has loved scary things as long as 
I can remember and in fact when he was 4 he saw Jurasic Park at a 
sitters (didn't use them again), but they said he just said things 
like man that guy is a goner or better run faster. Where as my oldest 
who was 8 then ran and hid. Granted sometimes they have a scary dream 
but we talk about it and they feel better. 
Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the matter.

Theresa






From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 17:19:44 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:19:44 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing?
In-Reply-To: <cop2p2+om9t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpclrg+r6f8@eGroups.com>


I've seen the film, what, about 15 times and can't pick up on 
anything.  LOL  Except the divination scene.

"You're aura is pulsing dear.  Are you in the beyond?  I think you 
are!"

Now, does this mean that Ron is a seer?  Or is he headed for the 
beyond (*gulp* the Veil)?

There's also something about Dumbledore's speeches.

And remember when Lucius Malfoy said, "Let's hope Harry Potter is 
alwarys around to save the day," and Harry says, "Don't worry.  I 
will be."  Was that a hint that Harry won't die, or Kloves being 
cheesy?

Marci






From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 22:27:33 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:27:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cpb61p+rn1l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041210222733.88949.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>

--- elady25 <imamommy at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I worried that even though he handled the first two pretty well, the 
> third would be too scary, so the plan was not to let him see it, 
> but...it was the second movie at the drive-in when we went to see 
> Shrek 2, and we had the idea that he would watch Shrek and fall 
> asleep for HP, but he did just the opposite.  Now that it's out on 
> DVD, the idea was that he wouldn't watch it but through a variety of 
> circumstances he's seen it a couple more times.  Fortunately, he 
> doesn't seem upset by it.

What a great double feature!  There was never anything kid-oriented showing
with Shrek 2 at our drive-in, and I was afraid my kids would do exactly what
your son did!

I was also worried about my kids' reactions to the HP movies.  They were not
quite 3 and 5 when SS came out, and I couldn't find anybody with small children
who had seen it until it was nearly gone from the cheap theatres.  I rarely
have time to go to the movies without my kids, so it was difficult to preview
it for myself.  When I finally found a coworker with small kids who assured me
it wasn't too scary, we went, and my kids were fine.  Same with CoS a year
later, which I did get to preview, and took them to see the following day.

PoA, on the other hand, is a bit more subtle in its scariness.  My son (now 5)
doesn't seem to understand what's scary about it, while my daughter (going on
8) does.  She doesn't consider it "too" scary, but it might be a cue to me to
be careful when GoF comes out.  What kids are scared of changes over time as
they come to understand new things.  And as you say, it really depends on the
kids.  PoA has been a great teaching tool for us too (dementors and how to deal
with threatening situations).

Sherry


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From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 22:35:22 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:35:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Foreshadowing?
In-Reply-To: <cpclrg+r6f8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20041210223522.99255.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Marci <blackgold101 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "You're aura is pulsing dear.  Are you in the beyond?  I think you 
> are!"
> 
> Now, does this mean that Ron is a seer?  Or is he headed for the 
> beyond (*gulp* the Veil)?

I've long thought Ron is a seer, so this was the first I picked up on as
possible foreshadowing because it confirms my preconception.  I didn't think
about your other possible interpretation - and since it's just too terrible to
contemplate, I'm rejecting the idea for no good reason ;-P  My heart stopped
for a second when I read that part in OotP where Harry walks in on Molly with
the boggart, thinking that was The Death.

> And remember when Lucius Malfoy said, "Let's hope Harry Potter is 
> alwarys around to save the day," and Harry says, "Don't worry.  I 
> will be."  Was that a hint that Harry won't die, or Kloves being 
> cheesy?

I read somewhere that this was the result of Jason Isaacs playing around in a
comic-book villain sort of way, and the director liked it so they put it in. 
Did anybody else read that?

Sherry


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From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 11 04:41:01 2004
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:41:01 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <20041210222733.88949.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cpdtot+26ak@eGroups.com>



> I was also worried about my kids' reactions to the HP movies.  They 
were not
> quite 3 and 5 when SS came out, and I couldn't find anybody with 
small children
> who had seen it until it was nearly gone from the cheap theatres.  
I rarely
> have time to go to the movies without my kids, so it was difficult 
to preview
> it for myself.  When I finally found a coworker with small kids who 
assured me
> it wasn't too scary, we went, and my kids were fine.  Same with CoS 
a year
> later, which I did get to preview, and took them to see the 
following day.
situations).
> 
> Sherry

Grown-up time sure comes at a premium!  For the opening show of PoA, 
3 of my girlfriends and I put the kids to bed, the husbands in 
charge, and trotted of to the midnight show.  What a blast!  

imamommy






From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 17:10:45 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:10:45 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Foreshadowing
Message-ID: <6d.3a58b825.2eec8415@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/10/2004 6:08:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

>  "You're aura is pulsing dear.  Are you in the beyond?  I think you  
> are!"
> 
> Now, does this mean that Ron is a seer?   Or is he headed for the 
> beyond (*gulp* the Veil)?

I've long  thought Ron is a seer, so this was the first I picked up on as
possible  foreshadowing because it confirms my preconception.  I didn't  think
about your other possible interpretation - and since it's just too  terrible 
to
contemplate, I'm rejecting the idea for no good reason  ;-P  My heart stopped
for a second when I read that part in OotP where  Harry walks in on Molly with
the boggart, thinking that was The  Death.

> And remember when Lucius Malfoy said, "Let's hope Harry  Potter is 
> alwarys around to save the day," and Harry says, "Don't  worry.  I 
> will be."  Was that a hint that Harry won't die,  or Kloves being 
> cheesy?

I read somewhere that this was the  result of Jason Isaacs playing around in a
comic-book villain sort of way,  and the director liked it so they put it in. 
Did anybody else read  that?

Sherry



Yes, I read that about Jason Issacs too.  I don't think JKR  said Chris 
Columbus (who did the first two films) did any foreshadowing, but she  did say it 
about Cuaron's film.  

I don't think Ron's the seer -- if  you read canon carefully, you'll see 
there are MANY MANY times that HARRY  predicts the future -- the most obvious 
being when he made up his answers in his  Divination exam, and what he predicted 
came true (Buckbeak alive and flying  away).  Ron's right when he jokes, but I 
don't see that as "seeing the  future" myself.
 
And Dumbledore's speeches in PoA are simply odd.  They don't  relate to the 
story, they don't make a lot of sense in some ways, and they're  out of 
character for the Dumbledore we know.  I didn't like them at all  (the two I didn't 
like being the "Light" one with the candle, although the  candle bit was cool, 
and the one about dreams, although the celestial ceiling  was gorgeous).  I 
did like his comment when they got back from the  time-turner incident -- that 
was cute and in character, IMO.
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From MuirninCocan at msn.com  Sun Dec 12 18:47:49 2004
From: MuirninCocan at msn.com (muirnincocan)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:47:49 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing
In-Reply-To: <6d.3a58b825.2eec8415@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cpi3ol+fp79@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 12/10/2004 6:08:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> >  "You're aura is pulsing dear.  Are you in the beyond?  I think you  
> > are!"
> > 
> > Now, does this mean that Ron is a seer?   Or is he headed for the 
> > beyond (*gulp* the Veil)?
> 
> I've long  thought Ron is a seer, so this was the first I picked up
on as
> possible  foreshadowing because it confirms my preconception.  I
didn't  think
> about your other possible interpretation - and since it's just too 
terrible 
> to
> contemplate, I'm rejecting the idea for no good reason  ;-P  My
heart stopped
> for a second when I read that part in OotP where  Harry walks in on
Molly with
> the boggart, thinking that was The  Death.

For me, when I first saw POA the part that just jumped out at me was a
scene where Harry and Hermione are running from Werewolf!Lupin and
Buckbeak jumps between them and saves Harry and Hermione's life...
Granted I do ship a specific way and after reading a number of
symbolic essays regarding this I determined that this is VERY
foreshadowing... 

I'm not preaching any shipping here... just giving my observations...
There is a great deal of information out there if you just read
between the lines... 

As Always,
Muirnin   @}>---'---,---

"An imaginative mind is a terrible thing to waste..." - jrd

"Harry needs her badly" - JKR on Hermione

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Muirnins_Musings/







From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca  Sun Dec 12 22:29:58 2004
From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:29:58 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cp7md7+r5bp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpigp6+ctdn@eGroups.com>


For all of your information - the response regarding children 
handling DVDs was also related to the person who posted and commented 
on the condition of rented DVDs. Why should people who rent DVDs be 
inflicted with other people's series of unfortunate events? Do what 
you will with your own DVDs, but all parties should show respect when 
handling property that is not their own.

And note - I mentioned a specific couple in the store I worked at and 
their toddler - I still do not understand why they would want to pass 
on a DVD to a child who clearly does not show any respect for the 
product, as noted by the father!!! of the child. 

Some children handle things better than their clumsy parents, but 
don't pass on damaged goods to alter other people's enjoyment of a 
product.

Oh, and for further DVD/CD information: never use windex to clean the 
surface of a cd or dvd. If there are scratches on the mirrored 
surface, use a repair kit to fill in the scratches. If you hold the 
CD/DVD up to the light and can see through the scratch it is garbage 
and can not be repaired. The label actually conceals the information 
and protects it - once it is cut into, you might as well start a nice 
wind chime arrangement. 

Sassy








From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Dec 13 14:51:21 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:51:21 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] foreshadowing
Message-ID: <d8.1b638163.2eef0669@aol.com>

I thought it was interesting when I turned on the subtitles and  watched POA 
and in the DADA class when Snape is the substitute, his voice drones  on (in 
such a teacherly fashion -- Rickman is such a brilliant actor!) saying  the 
various ways to become a werewolf are to become one as a shape-shifter, to  be 
bitten by a werewolf, etc.  This "shape-shifter" comment intrigued me,  because 
I don't recall them being mentioned in canon, unless you count Animagi  as 
shape-shifters.  So this bit was new -- does it mean someone we know and  love 
might become an Animagi of a werewolf to keep a certain professor he cares  
about company as his dad did in days gone by???  The mind boggles!   ;->
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From sharon8880 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 13 15:32:34 2004
From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:32:34 -0000
Subject: DVDs and kids
In-Reply-To: <cpdtot+26ak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cpkcmj+12jh@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "elady25" <imamommy at s...> wrote:
SNIP
> I rarely
> > have time to go to the movies without my kids, so it was 
difficult 
> to preview
> > it for myself.  When I finally found a coworker with small kids 
who 
> assured me
> > it wasn't too scary, we went, and my kids were fine.  Same with 
CoS 
> a year
> > later, which I did get to preview, and took them to see the 
> following day.
> situations).
> > 
> > Sherry
> 
> Grown-up time sure comes at a premium!  For the opening show of 
PoA, 
> 3 of my girlfriends and I put the kids to bed, the husbands in 
> charge, and trotted of to the midnight show.  What a blast!  
> 
> imamommy

I saw POA open at a midnight show also. With my husband & son asleep 
that's the only way I would've seen it.  Although, we all went to see 
it twice at a drive-in.  Not the best viewing, but it allowed my 
husband to see.  My 2 y/o has watched COS many times on cable because 
he likes Dobby, but recently has gained an affection for Hermione 
(whose name I was quite surprised he could easily pronounce). She's 
actually giving Elmo a run for his money in the DVD viewing arena.  
He's seen POA on DVD & is enthralled by the Aunt Marge blow up & 
Harry/Buckbeak flight scenes. He seems to have no ill effects from 
watching HP.  
Sharon 






From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 02:59:32 2004
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:59:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PoA's awards campaign / Yates = OotP director?
Message-ID: <20041214025933.79643.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com>

In case you haven't heard yet - the nominations 
for the Golden Globes has been announced and 
PoA has not received any.  Even though PoA is 
not a perfect film and awards do not have as 
great an impact on the financially already 
successful, 'tis too bad.  Perhaps they'll have 
better luck with the rest of the awards this 
season, in particular the Oscars.

Variety had this to say about PoA, in terms of 
Golden Globes nominations:

"...none of the films nominated for best 
picture is yet a blockbuster. In fact, many of 
the film's biggest grosser's were not cited, a 
list that ranges from Newmarket's 'The Passion 
of the Christ' to Sony's 'Spider-Man 2' to 
Warner Bros.' 'Harry Potter and the Prisoner 
of Azkaban.'"

(source: http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117914901&c=1778)

     *     *     *

Though we still don't have an official 
announcement that confirms Yates, here's an 
interesting mention in Variety's coverage of 
WB's premiere of "Ocean's Twelve" last week 
posted Dec. 12: 

"Among the guests were Sharon Stone, Prince, 
Radha Mitchell and 'Harry Potter' producer 
David Heyman and the franchise's new 
installment's helmer David Yates."

(source: http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117914874&c=1777)

Then there's this mention in Variety's article 
about Richard Curtis producing the Comic Relief 
(which unless I'm much mistaken is the same 
organization that benefited from the sales of 
FB&WtFT and QTtA, incidentally) telethon, also 
posted Dec. 12.  See note below for more on the 
not-HP aspects.

"...[Curtis] has written a BBC TV movie, 'The 
Girl in the Cafe,' which David Yates ('State 
of Play') will direct before he moves onto the 
fifth 'Harry Potter.'"

(source: http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117914820&c=19)

Y'know, considering that Variety is so widely 
read in the industry that such repetition of 
misinformation about such a valuable franchise 
could not go unnoticed, it sounds like Yates 
is already set.  In order to maximize the 
Oscar mileage to be had from this announcement, 
WB may be refraining from officially announcing 
the deal until around Dec. 27 when the 
nomination ballots for the Oscars are mailed.  
I wonder what other announcements may be 
synchronized to the rest of the academy awards' 
schedule (Jan. 15 nominations polls close, 
Feb. 2 final ballots mailed, Feb. 22 final 
polls close).

Petra, hoping it's not red herrings she smells
a
n  :)

NOTE: According to this article, Curtis and 
Comic Relief are part of the campaign to end 
global poverty known as "MakePovertyHistory" 
in Britain, "The One Campaign" in America, 
"No Excuses" in Italy and various other 
monikers internationally.  Raising this issue 
on the world stage is in preparation for the 
next G8 summit.

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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Dec 15 04:33:30 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:33:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] foreshadowing
In-Reply-To: <d8.1b638163.2eef0669@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDE528CA.58B%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

I thought it was interesting when I turned on the subtitles and  watched POA
and in the DADA class when Snape is the substitute, his voice drones  on (in
such a teacherly fashion -- Rickman is such a brilliant actor!) saying  the
various ways to become a werewolf are to become one as a shape-shifter, to
be 
bitten by a werewolf, etc.  This "shape-shifter" comment intrigued me,
because 
I don't recall them being mentioned in canon, unless you count Animagi  as
shape-shifters.  So this bit was new -- does it mean someone we know and
love 
might become an Animagi of a werewolf to keep a certain professor he cares
about company as his dad did in days gone by???  The mind boggles!   ;->

Lynda

[from Valerie]
...and if so, why didn't the trio of friends learn to become werewolf
animagi, so that they could REALLY relate to their buddy Moony?
Though, I guess if given a choice, a stag, rat and dog would be less
volatile and dangerous than having 4 werewolves running around Hogwarts!



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From NYAngel5674 at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 20:26:34 2004
From: NYAngel5674 at aol.com (Kathy)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 20:26:34 -0000
Subject: foreshadowing
In-Reply-To: <BDE528CA.58B%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cpq6lq+411c@eGroups.com>



[snip]

This "shape-shifter" comment intrigued me, because I don't recall 
them being mentioned in canon, unless you count Animagi  as shape-
shifters.  So this bit was new -- does it mean someone we know and
love might become an Animagi of a werewolf to keep a certain 
professor he cares about company as his dad did in days gone by???  
The mind boggles!   ;->

Lynda

[from Valerie]
...and if so, why didn't the trio of friends learn to become werewolf
animagi, so that they could REALLY relate to their buddy Moony?
Though, I guess if given a choice, a stag, rat and dog would be less
volatile and dangerous than having 4 werewolves running around 
Hogwarts!

[snip] 
 
Hi... I'm just delurking temporarily... I think that the comment 
about the shape-shifters was just exposition, not foreshadowing. If 
it was a clue to anything, it was to remind the students, 
specifically Harry, that there are Animagi out there. 

Also, I always thought that what type of animal a witch or wizard 
could turn in to, as with patronuses, are special to the individual. 
Although if they do have the choice of what animal to become, I have 
to agree with you that they'd be smart enough not to become 
werewolvces. But I have to wonder, would being a werewolf because you 
were bitten be different from being a werewolf as an Animagus? Like 
would you be able to keep your mind intact if you were an Animagus? 
Other Animagi seemed able to keep their human minds intact when they 
transformed.

Anyway... that's just my 2 cents.
~Kathy









From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 00:29:31 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:29:31 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] foreshadowing
Message-ID: <87.1d199d06.2ef230eb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/15/2004 2:07:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

why  didn't the trio of friends learn to become werewolf
animagi, so that they  could REALLY relate to their buddy Moony?
Though, I guess if given a  choice, a stag, rat and dog would be less
volatile and dangerous than  having 4 werewolves running around Hogwarts!



I think I read in canon somewhere (can't think where) that the  Animagus form 
chooses the wizard, sort of -- that you're predisposed to be a  certain kind 
of animal, just as your Patronus will be a certain thing that you  don't 
specify -- what comes out of your wand is a reflection of something in  your 
personality.  I believe I read that in canon or in a JKR interview --  sure wish I 
could remember which, or where!  (IOW, they couldn't "choose"  to be werewolves 
-- something in them made them become what they were -- stag,  dog, rat).
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 16 12:07:48 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:07:48 -0000
Subject: foreshadowing
In-Reply-To: <BDE528CA.58B%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
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There is no way I shall be able to find the reference, but JK Rowling 
once said that Harry's eyes were a weakness, that that's where he is 
vulnerable. Well, he wears glasses and doesn't see very well without 
them. In the whomping willow scene, Harry loses his glasses as he 
gets pummelled by the tree and his vision i blurred. This does not 
happen in the book. I could see this as a possible foreshadowing: 
Harry losing his glasses, or being deprived of them at a crucial 
moment, perhaps making a grave mistake or being in a life-
threatenting situation due to blurred vision...

Sophia






From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 21:28:56 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:28:56 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1109
Message-ID: <e2.8f5d3ff.2ef35818@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/16/2004 12:28:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

JK  Rowling 
once said that Harry's eyes were a weakness, that that's where he  is 
vulnerable. 


Sophia, I sure wish you knew where you'd read this!  I  don't remember 
reading it at all!  I'd love to see the rest of whatever she  said in this regard 
(if anything).  Anyone know where to find it?  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Fri Dec 17 05:33:50 2004
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:33:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1109
References: <e2.8f5d3ff.2ef35818@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c4e3f9$fd0372c0$3ea2ca45@bumbargey3ogmz>


>
> JK  Rowling
> once said that Harry's eyes were a weakness, that that's where he  is
> vulnerable.
>
>
> Sophia, I sure wish you knew where you'd read this!  I  don't remember
> reading it at all!  I'd love to see the rest of whatever she  said in this
regard
> (if anything).  Anyone know where to find it?
>
> Lynda


Here it is.   http://tinyurl.com/5ux6l

" But when Rowling saw young British actor Daniel Radcliffe's screen test,
she knew the 11-year-old was perfect for the part. Rowling's quality control
is
legendary, as is her obsession with accuracy. She's thrilled with Stephen
Fry's
taped version of the books, outraged that an Italian dust jacket shows Harry
minus his glasses. "Don't they understand that they are the clue to his
vulnerability?" "


I think Harry losing his glasses in PoA is what gave JKR shivers.

Joj




From joj at rochester.rr.com  Fri Dec 17 05:38:23 2004
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:38:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1109
References: <e2.8f5d3ff.2ef35818@aol.com> <001501c4e3f9$fd0372c0$3ea2ca45@bumbargey3ogmz>
Message-ID: <002401c4e3fa$9fcba8b0$3ea2ca45@bumbargey3ogmz>

Sorry the link didn't seem to work.  Try this.

http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2000/1200-readersdigest-boquet.htm
>
>
> Here it is.   http://tinyurl.com/5ux6l
>
> " But when Rowling saw young British actor Daniel Radcliffe's screen test,
> she knew the 11-year-old was perfect for the part. Rowling's quality
control
> is
> legendary, as is her obsession with accuracy. She's thrilled with Stephen
> Fry's
> taped version of the books, outraged that an Italian dust jacket shows
Harry
> minus his glasses. "Don't they understand that they are the clue to his
> vulnerability?" "
>
>
> I think Harry losing his glasses in PoA is what gave JKR shivers.
>
> Joj




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 14:41:30 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:41:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
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From: artsylynda at aol.com

I think I read in canon somewhere (can't think where) that the  Animagus
form 
chooses the wizard, sort of -- that you're predisposed to be a  certain kind
of animal, just as your Patronus will be a certain thing that you  don't
specify -- what comes out of your wand is a reflection of something in  your
personality.  I believe I read that in canon or in a JKR interview --  sure
wish I 
could remember which, or where!  (IOW, they couldn't "choose"  to be
werewolves 
-- something in them made them become what they were -- stag,  dog, rat).

[from Valerie]
That makes sense...
James/stag: the strutting "buck", vying for attention (Snape would love
that!)
Peter/rat: well, that goes without saying...
Sirius/dog: hmmm...that demands a little more inspection. (but then again, I
love deliberating about Sirius! :-)
He's a bit dark and moody and growly in character? His laugh is "like a
bark". But then again, that is Sirius post-Azkaban. Teen Sirius,
pre-Azkaban, was portrayed as a good-looking, aloof, rich kid with a bit of
a mean-spirited streak in him (specifically for Snape, but perhaps there
were other unfortunate "geeks" that he and James preyed on?) In character he
was quite a bit like the Draco Malfoy of today, no?
And Harry I would equate with Lupin (more gentle, insecure, has a
conscience).
My 2 knuts! :-)



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 15:25:41 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:25:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: foreshadowing
In-Reply-To: <cprtqk+3eu8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BDE864A4.5B6%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

<snip>I could see this as a possible foreshadowing:
Harry losing his glasses, or being deprived of them at a crucial
moment, perhaps making a grave mistake or being in a life-
threatenting situation due to blurred vision...

Sophia



POSITIVE QUOTE OF THE DAY
-----------------------------

We cheerfully assume that in some mystic way love conquers all, that
good outweighs evil in the just balances of the universe and that at
the eleventh hour something gloriously triumphant will prevent the
worst before it happens.

-- Brooks Atkinson

I must believe that Harry will prevail in the end...! :-)
Valerie





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From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 17 19:07:09 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:07:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
In-Reply-To: <BDE85A49.5B5%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20041217190710.69837.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

<SNIP>
> Sirius/dog: hmmm...that demands a little more inspection. (but then again, I
> love deliberating about Sirius! :-)

Me too!  Here are a few tidbits I found when I Googled on "symbolism dog"
(which returned 213,000 hits).  Certainly some of these apply to Sirius.

>From http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.dog/qx/symbolism_details.htm -
The dog is the emblem of faithfulness and guardianship... Dogs are symbols of
courage, vigilancy and loyal fidelity.

>From http://www.pagansunite.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80 -
Historically, dogs have been portrayed as the guardians of ancient secrets,
hidden treasures, and infants.

>From http://www.vintageviews.org/vv-tl/Photos/MtHope/Sym0154.html -
Dog - Signifying the loyalty and that the master was worth loving.

Of course there are many, many more.  That guardianship thing comes up
frequently, which is a bit disconcerting - Harry is already beginning to lose
his guardians.  Hopefully he can still figure out that he is "worth loving"
without Sirius.

Or it could just be that he was named after the Dog Star.

Sherry


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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 18 02:20:11 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:20:11 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
In-Reply-To: <20041217190710.69837.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e901c4e4a8$1ada0170$0400a8c0@pensive>

Actually, the name and the animagus form of Sirius is why I refuse to
believe evil Sirius as a future revelation in the series.  I am completely
incapable of believing that anyone who transforms into a dog could betray.
I trust my life and safety to a dog everyday--my guide dog, Bianca--and I
have 
worked with guide dogs for 30 years.  Since the wizard doesn't choose its
animagus form, it must be that the loyalty and faithfulness is part of
Sirius.

Sherry and Bianca who says she might be a brat and is often quite silly, but
she is always faithful, loyal and true!


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry Garfio [mailto:sgarfio at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:07 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?



--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

<SNIP>
> Sirius/dog: hmmm...that demands a little more inspection. (but then again,
I
> love deliberating about Sirius! :-)

Me too!  Here are a few tidbits I found when I Googled on "symbolism dog"
(which returned 213,000 hits).  Certainly some of these apply to Sirius.

>From http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.dog/qx/symbolism_details.htm
-
The dog is the emblem of faithfulness and guardianship... Dogs are symbols
of
courage, vigilancy and loyal fidelity.

>From http://www.pagansunite.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80 -
Historically, dogs have been portrayed as the guardians of ancient secrets,
hidden treasures, and infants.

>From http://www.vintageviews.org/vv-tl/Photos/MtHope/Sym0154.html -
Dog - Signifying the loyalty and that the master was worth loving.

Of course there are many, many more.  That guardianship thing comes up
frequently, which is a bit disconcerting - Harry is already beginning to
lose
his guardians.  Hopefully he can still figure out that he is "worth loving"
without Sirius.

Or it could just be that he was named after the Dog Star.

Sherry


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From AnyaSimbi at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 08:37:58 2004
From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 03:37:58 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: sirius' animagi
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From: Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: animagi - choice or chosen?
[from Valerie] Sirius/dog: hmmm...that demands a little more inspection. (but 
then again, I love deliberating about Sirius! :-) He's a bit dark and moody 
and growly in character? His laugh is "like a bark". But then again, that is 
Sirius post-Azkaban. Teen Sirius, pre-Azkaban, was portrayed as a good-looking, 
aloof, rich kid with a bit of a mean-spirited streak in him (specifically for 
Snape, but perhaps there were other unfortunate "geeks" that he and James 
preyed on?) In character he was quite a bit like the Draco Malfoy of today, no? 

[SimbiAni] 

Perhaps Sirius is like a dog in the way he is 
extremely loyal to those he cares about ^_^ 

(movie, shack scene) 

Pettigrew: "I ask you, what would you have done?" 
Sirius: "I would have died! I would have died to protect my friends!" 

~*SimbiAni*~ 
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TV Shows: CHARMED Season7, SMALLViLLE Season4 ! (Sept2004) 
Movie: on DVD "HarryPotter3: Prisoner of Azkaban" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "SpiderMan2" ! (Nov2004) 
Movie: on DVD "LotR3: Return of the King: Extended"! (Dec2004) 
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 16:29:53 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:29:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sirius...good or evil?
In-Reply-To: <00e901c4e4a8$1ada0170$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <BDE9C531.5CA%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>

Actually, the name and the animagus form of Sirius is why I refuse to
believe evil Sirius as a future revelation in the series.  I am completely
incapable of believing that anyone who transforms into a dog could betray.
I trust my life and safety to a dog everyday--my guide dog, Bianca--and I
have worked with guide dogs for 30 years.  Since the wizard doesn't choose
its
animagus form, it must be that the loyalty and faithfulness is part of
Sirius.

[from Valerie]
Yes, even though I was annoyed when Sirius said mean things to Harry in
OotP, it is still characteristic of him. After all, Sirius was sort of an
insensitive prick in his teen years, and 12 years of torture in Azkaban
certainly wouldn't have provided him with a good role model on how to become
a mature adult! 
I still have to believe that he will return from beyond the veil and help
Harry out in his greatest time of need. Perhaps he will even find Harry's
Mom and Dad in there, and bring them back too? After all, wasn't Harry
inexplicably drawn to voices whispering behind the veil??!



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 16:22:10 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:22:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
In-Reply-To: <20041217190710.69837.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDE9C362.5C9%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

 <snip>
Dogs were associated with priests since priests were thought of as watchdogs
against the devil.
[Isn't THAT interesting!? Certainly  makes sense as in the OotP dream scene
that Harry had of Sirius protecting the prophecy and being attacked by the
devil himself-Voldemort! ]

<snip>
Dogs are symbols of courage, vigilancy and loyal fidelity.
[Yes, that is Sirius as well, especially in his relationship with James.]

<snip>
All of the Southwest tribes had dogs. It has been reported that all breeds
of dogs are descendants of the wolf, but even though the early dogs were
considered part "wild", they were fiercely loyal to their owners.
[as Sirius was to Remus-his wolf-friend?]

Historically, dogs have been portrayed as the guardians of ancient secrets,
hidden treasures, and infants.
[Interesting!!]

<snip>
Dog - Signifying the loyalty and that the master was worth loving.
[Sirius's relationship to Harry!]

Yes, I know it's all speculation, and did JKR really think that in-depth
about it when naming the character of Sirius? Dunno, but it's fascinating,
nonetheless to ponder!
Does the name of Sirius's brother, Regulus, have any celestial significance?

Thanks for sharing, Sherry!
Valerie 


From: Sherry Garfio <sgarfio at yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

<SNIP>
> Sirius/dog: hmmm...that demands a little more inspection. (but then again, I
> love deliberating about Sirius! :-)

Me too!  Here are a few tidbits I found when I Googled on "symbolism dog"
(which returned 213,000 hits).  Certainly some of these apply to Sirius.

>From http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.dog/qx/symbolism_details.htm
-
The dog is the emblem of faithfulness and guardianship... Dogs are symbols
of
courage, vigilancy and loyal fidelity.

>From http://www.pagansunite.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80 -
Historically, dogs have been portrayed as the guardians of ancient secrets,
hidden treasures, and infants.

>From http://www.vintageviews.org/vv-tl/Photos/MtHope/Sym0154.html -
Dog - Signifying the loyalty and that the master was worth loving.

Of course there are many, many more.  That guardianship thing comes up
frequently, which is a bit disconcerting - Harry is already beginning to
lose
his guardians.  Hopefully he can still figure out that he is "worth loving"
without Sirius.

Or it could just be that he was named after the Dog Star.

Sherry



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 16:38:55 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:38:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan Fan
In-Reply-To: <20041217190710.69837.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDE9C74F.5CC%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

Any ideas on what to get a 15 year old Dan Radcliffe fan for Christmas?!? I
was thinking of the HP3 calendar, but was wondering if there was anything
specific to Dan, the young man. I know he was suggesting donations to the
Imelda (sp?) House, the children's hospice that he supports.
Any other ideas??
(My husband's response to this was "Isn't there some hot calendar of Harry
and Hermione in bathing suits, out there?!" hee hee...)

Valerie 



From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Dec 18 17:40:34 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:40:34 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan Fan
Message-ID: <1a8.2d5e4f20.2ef5c592@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2004 12:00:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Any  ideas on what to get a 15 year old Dan Radcliffe fan for Christmas?!? I
was  thinking of the HP3 calendar, but was wondering if there was  anything
specific to Dan, the young man. I know he was suggesting donations  to the
Imelda (sp?) House, the children's hospice that he supports.
Any  other ideas??
(My husband's response to this was "Isn't there some hot  calendar of Harry
and Hermione in bathing suits, out there?!" hee  hee...)

Valerie 


Go to DanRadcliffe.com and do a donation in her name to Demezla  House 
IMMEDIATELY so it will get there in time.  I think (no promises) that  she might get 
a letter from Dan including his Christmas card (that underwater  picture) if 
you do this, or if you write to him before Christmas (I LOVE the  picture, but 
honestly, where can a 54 year old display such things without her  family 
thinking she's gone batty???  *sigh*)  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP




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From linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 18 20:11:28 2004
From: linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk (Linda Gaunt)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:11:28 -0000
Subject: Dan Fan
In-Reply-To: <1a8.2d5e4f20.2ef5c592@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cq22tg+auub@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
I think (no promises) that  she might get 
> a letter from Dan including his Christmas card (that underwater  
picture) if 
> you do this, or if you write to him before Christmas (I LOVE the  
picture, but 
> honestly, where can a 54 year old display such things without her  
family 
> thinking she's gone batty???  *sigh*)  
> 
> Lynda
> 
> "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know what you mean!! still, if it's a Christmas card, you can 
always just put it with all the others. That's what I'm going to 
do....if I get one that is!






From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 19 05:08:14 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:08:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
In-Reply-To: <BDE9C362.5C9%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20041219050814.32993.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
> Does the name of Sirius's brother, Regulus, have any celestial significance?

Ah, but of course!  This is actually pretty good.

>From http://askelm.com/star/star004.htm -
Regulus was known as the King. The Romans referred to it as Rex, which
means King in Latin. In Arabia the star was known as the Kingly One. The
Greeks called it the King Star. Of all the stars in the heavens, Regulus was
universally associated by the ancient astrologers with the attributes of
greatness and power. It is located practically on the ecliptic (the path which
the Sun takes in traversing the heavens). It was thought that this position
made it of special importance to the Sun. According to astrologers the Sun
ruled the heavens. Thus, the major star closest to the ecliptic of the ruling
Sun was Regulus. This close relationship to the Sun made Regulus a royal
star, the one most associated with the conception or birth of kings. It was
the star denoting rulership.
<SNIP>
In biblical symbolism, Regulus is the Star of the Messiah. It is located
directly between the feet of the Lion in the constellation of Leo.

>From http://www.crystalinks.com/8.8lionsgate.html -
Astrologically what I find most worth noting about this timing is the exact
conjunction of Mars (29 Leo) with the fixed star Regulus, Heart of the Lion,
one of the four royal stars also known as Watcher of the North and linked with
Archangel Raphael most known for his healing abilities.

>From http://www.marriagesavers.org/Columns/C1009.htm (in a discussion about the
Star of Bethlehem) -
If so, Jesus's birth had to occur about 2-3 BC, when extraordinary things did
happen in the sky. With new computers, it is possible to quickly visualize the
sky which reveals that on Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year in September 3 BC,
Jupiter, which is 300 times more massive than earth and is known as King
Planet, moved close to the bright star Regulus, which the Romans called Rex or
king. When the Planet of Kings neared the Star of Kings, it was very bright,
indeed.

>From http://www.celtic-casimir.aunz.com/hermetica/reggal.html -
Regulus: - a Leonis, one of the brightest stars, literally means "little king"
in Latin, and was one of the four royal stars of ancient Persia. Traditionally,
Regulus denotes popularity, authority and prosperity, although these are very
general descriptions which may be indicated also by a host of other
astrological factors. Another title of Regulus is Cor Leonis (the Heart of the
Lion), which for me is the key to understanding this star's symbolism, for
whatever touches it "burns fiercely or brightly", for 'bold as a lion is the
heart of the righteous'... inasmuch as 'righteous' can signify "having absolute
faith in the rightness of an action or state of being". And of course little
kings can act like tyrants.

I really like that last one ;-)

Sherry Garfio


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Dec 19 05:35:22 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 00:35:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] animagi - choice or chosen?
In-Reply-To: <20041219050814.32993.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDEA7D49.5D6%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

Cool! Thanks for the info. I would be fascinated to hear about how JKR came
up with all of these names. I'm going to poke around a bit on her site, and
such and see what I can find. Fascinating...
(and some say these are just kids books!!)  :-)
V

> From: Sherry Garfio <sgarfio at yahoo.com>

> --- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Does the name of Sirius's brother, Regulus, have any celestial significance?
> 
> Ah, but of course!  This is actually pretty good.
> 
> From http://askelm.com/star/star004.htm -
> Regulus was known as ?the King.? The Romans referred to it as ?Rex,? which
> means ?King? in Latin. In Arabia the star was known as the ?Kingly One.? The
> Greeks called it the ?King Star.? Of all the stars in the heavens, Regulus was
> universally associated by the ancient astrologers with the attributes of
> greatness and power. It is located practically on the ecliptic (the path which
> the Sun takes in traversing the heavens). It was thought that this position
> made it of special importance to the Sun. According to astrologers the Sun
> ruled the heavens. Thus, the major star closest to the ecliptic of the
> ?ruling?
> Sun was Regulus. This close relationship to the Sun made Regulus a ?royal
> star,? the one most associated with the conception or birth of kings. It was
> the star denoting rulership.
> <SNIP>
> In biblical symbolism, Regulus is the Star of the Messiah. It is located
> directly between the feet of the Lion in the constellation of Leo.
> 
> From http://www.crystalinks.com/8.8lionsgate.html -
> Astrologically what I find most worth noting about this timing is the exact
> conjunction of Mars (29 Leo) with the fixed star Regulus, Heart of the Lion,
> one of the four royal stars also known as Watcher of the North and linked with
> Archangel Raphael most known for his healing abilities.
> 
> From http://www.marriagesavers.org/Columns/C1009.htm (in a discussion about
> the
> Star of Bethlehem) -
> If so, Jesus's birth had to occur about 2-3 BC, when extraordinary things did
> happen in the sky. With new computers, it is possible to quickly visualize the
> sky which reveals that on Rosh Hashana, the Jewish new year in September 3 BC,
> Jupiter, which is 300 times more massive than earth and is known as King
> Planet, moved close to the bright star Regulus, which the Romans called Rex or
> king. When the Planet of Kings neared the Star of Kings, it was very bright,
> indeed.
> 
> From http://www.celtic-casimir.aunz.com/hermetica/reggal.html -
> Regulus: - a Leonis, one of the brightest stars, literally means "little king"
> in Latin, and was one of the four royal stars of ancient Persia.
> Traditionally,
> Regulus denotes popularity, authority and prosperity, although these are very
> general descriptions which may be indicated also by a host of other
> astrological factors. Another title of Regulus is Cor Leonis (the Heart of the
> Lion), which for me is the key to understanding this star's symbolism, for
> whatever touches it "burns fiercely or brightly", for 'bold as a lion is the
> heart of the righteous'... inasmuch as 'righteous' can signify "having
> absolute
> faith in the rightness of an action or state of being". And of course little
> kings can act like tyrants.
> 
> I really like that last one ;-)
> 
> Sherry Garfio
> 
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Sun Dec 19 21:25:54 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:25:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
Message-ID: <3037.4.47.27.232.1103491554.squirrel@4.47.27.232>

http://www.livejournal.com/community/harry_potter/2695291.html

Full of BS or is there some basis?  There are two instances with one being
directed at COS and another at PS/SS.

I've only ever seen the first two movies on DVD and TV.

Dina





From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com  Mon Dec 20 17:37:26 2004
From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com)
Date: 20 Dec 2004 17:37:26 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
Message-ID: <1103564246.3313093935.21959.sendItem@bloglines.com>

--- Dina Lerret" <redina at silverbloom.net>
> http://www.livejournal.com/community/harry_potter/2695291.html

> 
> Full of BS or is there some basis?

True, I think. I never saw SS
in the theaters, but I remember "Nope, English" from COS. Dare I say it, a
theatrical version bootleg would come in handy for this.

Speaking of missing
lines, out of curiosity I watched part of SS on ABC Family last night, and
I was amazed at how they've hacked at the film. Usually when they edit movies
down for TV they'll take out sizable chunks - whole scenes, half scenes, etc.
For SS they removed teeny-tiny bits from it seems every single scene. A word
here, a line there, a slight pause over here... If you know the film by heart
it's just maddening. Best to stick to the DVD in future.

Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 20 18:08:48 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:08:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
In-Reply-To: <1103564246.3313093935.21959.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <20041220180848.6335.qmail@web53210.mail.yahoo.com>

--- ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com wrote:
> True, I think. I never saw SS
> in the theaters, but I remember "Nope, English" from COS. Dare I say it, a
> theatrical version bootleg would come in handy for this.

Really???  I never saw the "Nope, English" in CoS, and I LOVED that part in the
book!  Proves he really didn't know he was speaking it, and I was watching for
it from the first time I saw the movie.  I couldn't understand why they hadn't
put it in, it was so cute and would have added like 3 seconds.  I do wonder
about what one of the posters in this thread said about the digital vs film
versions.  You would think they would do all the editing and THEN transfer it
to digital.  But then maybe it's a little bonus for people who go to
digital-capable theatres, kind of like how they put bonus tracks on CDs that
aren't included on cassette (do they still do that?  I haven't bought a
cassette in years).

> Speaking of missing
> lines, out of curiosity I watched part of SS on ABC Family last night, and
> I was amazed at how they've hacked at the film.

Yeah, I noticed that too.  Which is interesting since it was regular ABC that
showed the same film with the deleted scenes restored just last summer.

Sherry Garfio


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    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire




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From clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 20 18:29:07 2004
From: clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net (CYNTHIA L SHANNON)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:29:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
In-Reply-To: <1103564246.3313093935.21959.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <20041220182907.50507.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com>

--- ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com wrote:

> 
> --- Dina Lerret" <redina at silverbloom.net>
> >
>
http://www.livejournal.com/community/harry_potter/2695291.html
> 
> > 
> > Full of BS or is there some basis?
> 
> True, I think. I never saw SS
> in the theaters, but I remember "Nope, English" from
> COS. Dare I say it, a
> theatrical version bootleg would come in handy for
> this.
> 
Well, I am ashamed to say that I have a bootleg (shame
on me, I know, but I didn't buy it, a friend gave it
to me ;-), anyway, I just played the scene with Harry
at the sink opening the chamber and there's no 'no,
English' dialogue from Ron. Ron just tells him to say
something in Parseltongue and Harry says a few words -
in Parseltongue.
So, I have no idea where folks saw that other version
of  the theatrical release of COS ;-)
Cindy




From redina at silverbloom.net  Tue Dec 21 01:02:02 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:02:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
In-Reply-To: <1103564246.3313093935.21959.sendItem@bloglines.com>
References: <1103564246.3313093935.21959.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <1950.4.47.27.212.1103590922.squirrel@4.47.27.212>

ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com said:

> True, I think. I never saw SS
> in the theaters, but I remember "Nope, English" from COS. Dare I say it, a
> theatrical version bootleg would come in handy for this.

I was thinking the same thing but the 'wait lines' to download the buggers
can take days, if you're lucky and don't have to restart.  Hm, {looks left
and then right} I'm in line for the theater camera version now but only
one guy has it up on IRC.  Yes, yes, illegal and all, but for comparison
purposes, I'm curious and I've plopped down money for legal COS DVDs.


> Speaking of missing
> lines, out of curiosity I watched part of SS on ABC Family last night, and
> I was amazed at how they've hacked at the film. Usually when they edit
> movies
> down for TV they'll take out sizable chunks - whole scenes, half scenes,
> etc.
> For SS they removed teeny-tiny bits from it seems every single scene. A
> word
> here, a line there, a slight pause over here... If you know the film by
> heart
> it's just maddening. Best to stick to the DVD in future.

Ugh, I know.  For a moment, I was wondering if they also altered the
*speed* during some scenes.  Though, HBO/Cinemax have been good about
keeping the movie intact, even if it's the fullscreen version.

Still, I stand by my previous comment of being amused with ABC's airing a
'diet' commercial and then cutting to the feast scene with that big
platter of chicken and the kids stuffing their faces. {g}

Dina





From ginamiller at jis.nashville.org  Wed Dec 22 15:15:45 2004
From: ginamiller at jis.nashville.org (Miller, Gina (JIS))
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:15:45 -0600
Subject: goblet pic on ebay
Message-ID: <D78EC74BB0600241A3EE06FA8E0FEA9F0839A038@jismsg01.jis.nashville.org>

If anyone is interested there is a new pic of Harry and Hermione from the
GOF on ebay!  Type in Goble of Fire 8x10 it looks like either the Quiddich
World Cup or Triwizard as they are in a tent!
 
Gina A. Miller
Juvenile Court 
100 Woodland Street
Nashville, TN 37213
615-880-2380
GinaMiller at jis.nashville.org <mailto:GinaMiller at jis.nashville.org>  
 


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 18:10:53 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:10:53 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1115
Message-ID: <25.554d8048.2efb12ad@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 12:23:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


If  anyone is interested there is a new pic of Harry and Hermione from the
GOF  on ebay!  Type in Goble of Fire 8x10 it looks like either the  Quiddich
World Cup or Triwizard as they are in a  tent!



Great pic, isn't it?  Dan looks scared to death, as if  he's about to be sick 
--PERFECT for Harry!  His eyes are even slightly  dilated, as they would be 
if someone was really frightened.  Amazing!   This pic has been shown on The 
Leaky Cauldron and DanRadcliffe.com.  It's  just before Harry goes out to face 
the dragon in the first task -- that's Fleur  in the background.  Why pay for 
it when you can save it to your computer  from Leaky in high-res?   

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Dec 22 18:11:38 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:11:38 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF pic on ebay
Message-ID: <9b.555b8a44.2efb12da@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 12/22/2004 12:23:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


If  anyone is interested there is a new pic of Harry and Hermione from the
GOF  on ebay!  Type in Goble of Fire 8x10 it looks like either the  Quiddich
World Cup or Triwizard as they are in a  tent!



Great pic, isn't it?  Dan looks scared to death, as if  he's about to be sick 
--PERFECT for Harry!  His eyes are even slightly  dilated, as they would be 
if someone was really frightened.  Amazing!   This pic has been shown on The 
Leaky Cauldron and DanRadcliffe.com.  It's  just before Harry goes out to face 
the dragon in the first task -- that's Fleur  in the background.  Both Leaky 
and DanRadcliffe.com have it in  high-res -- that would probably print out as an 
8x10 -- I've saved it on my  puter, don't need to print it out since I can 
see it on my monitor.   Interesting that someone has obtained the photo and is 
ebaying it  already.   

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 22 19:39:45 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:39:45 -0000
Subject: True or False?  RE: missing movie scenes
In-Reply-To: <20041220182907.50507.qmail@web80709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cqcii1+hmve@eGroups.com>


 CYNTHIA L SHANNON <clshannon75 at s...> wrote:

> Well, I am ashamed to say that I have a bootleg (shame
> on me, I know, but I didn't buy it, a friend gave it
> to me ;-), anyway, I just played the scene with Harry
> at the sink opening the chamber and there's no 'no,
> English' dialogue from Ron. Ron just tells him to say
> something in Parseltongue and Harry says a few words -
> in Parseltongue.
> So, I have no idea where folks saw that other version
> of  the theatrical release of COS ;-)
> Cindy

Neither do I.  I saw SS 3-4 times in the theater.  No "open up".  
Though I remember it from the book.

There is one movie I know of that the VHS and TV versions are 
different from the theatrical version, and that's Uncle Buck.  A Jay 
Underwood scene is either different or missing altogether.  I haven't 
seen it on DVD yet.

Marci






From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Dec 28 13:18:51 2004
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:18:51 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen
Message-ID: <v01540b00bdf49aeba5ee@[217.154.252.132]>

Mental note; Add to New Year's Resolutions; stay current with this list.
Meanwhile, here is my take on an old discussion.

 I think that the widescreen version is the only one released on DVD in the
UK; but the video is full-screen. We bought it for someone for Christmas
and I took the opportunity to watch it.

I don't like PoA in F/S format. It was clearly intended as a widescreen
format when it was filmed; in order to show several scenes in F/S, they
have had to pan the camera across the actors on several occasions. In the
Christmas card scene (when the Trio are listening to the conversation
between Rosmerta, McGonagle and Fudge in Hogsmeade) only Hermione and Harry
are visible in the F/S version.

There are two scenes though which work better in F/S. The first is in the
Shrieking Shack, when Snape arrives. In the widescreen version, you see him
coming up the stairs; in the F/S version, the first you know of his
presence is his voice saying 'expelliarmus'; it comes as more of a
surprise. Likewise, when H&H are being chased by the werewolf and they back
round the tree, in the W/S version, you see the werewolf backtracking and
moving behind them. In the F/S, you only become aware of where the werewolf
when H&H do; again, the surprise element is better in this version.

PS/SS was released on DVD in both versions in the UK, and that one I
actually preferred in F/S; you don't feel that there is anything missing,
and there's no panning back and forth with the camera.

I imagine that it's the difference between the two directors and the way in
which they filmed.

There is one thing that does drive me crazy about the W/S version of PoA;
not being in possession of a massive TV, I find that you miss a lot of the
subtleties of facial expression. The picture really is considerably smaller
in the W/S version.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Dec 28 19:17:46 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:17:46 -0600
Subject: HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen
Message-ID: <20041228191746.UHDO10436.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

OK, this is a tad off the HP topic, but as we are discussing wide vs. full 
screen...I bought LOTR Return of the King extended for my sister for Christmas. 
She really wanted full screen (we had the debate: she doesn't like the skinny 
strip, and I like the additional info). But I could only find this version in 
wide screen; so that's what she got. Just curious if anyone has seen it 
available in both? I thought perhaps since true LOTR fanatics would buy this 
latest superlong version, perhaps even in addition to the ROTK released 8 
months ago, that they would gravitate towards the non-reformatted widescreen 
version as Peter Jackson had originally filmed it??? 
Valerie


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From goalieracer at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 29 00:28:34 2004
From: goalieracer at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:28:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen
In-Reply-To: <20041228191746.UHDO10436.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20041229002834.16633.qmail@web53102.mail.yahoo.com>

Ipre-ordered full screen...but when I picked it up and
got it home, I realized it was Widescreen. I took it
back to the store and they told me all they were able
to get was widescreen.

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> OK, this is a tad off the HP topic, but as we are
> discussing wide vs. full 
> screen...I bought LOTR Return of the King extended
> for my sister for Christmas. 
> She really wanted full screen (we had the debate:
> she doesn't like the skinny 
> strip, and I like the additional info). But I could
> only find this version in 
> wide screen; so that's what she got. Just curious if
> anyone has seen it 
> available in both? I thought perhaps since true LOTR
> fanatics would buy this 
> latest superlong version, perhaps even in addition
> to the ROTK released 8 
> months ago, that they would gravitate towards the
> non-reformatted widescreen 
> version as Peter Jackson had originally filmed it???
> 
> Valerie
> 


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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Dec 29 07:13:51 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 07:13:51 -0000
Subject: HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen
In-Reply-To: <20041228191746.UHDO10436.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cqtlff+pg6p@eGroups.com>


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> OK, this is a tad off the HP topic, but as we are discussing wide 
vs. full 
> screen...I bought LOTR Return of the King extended for my sister 
for Christmas. 
> She really wanted full screen (we had the debate: she doesn't like 
the skinny 
> strip, and I like the additional info). But I could only find this 
version in 
> wide screen; so that's what she got. Just curious if anyone has 
seen it 
> available in both? I thought perhaps since true LOTR fanatics would 
buy this 
> latest superlong version, perhaps even in addition to the ROTK 
released 8 
> months ago, that they would gravitate towards the non-reformatted 
widescreen 
> version as Peter Jackson had originally filmed it??? 
> Valerie
> 
I purchased the boxed set of three films in extended version and all 
I saw at the stores was the widescreen. Personally, the black bars do 
not bother me even though I do not have a widescreen TV (would like 
one though).

Theresa






From stonehenge.orders at verizon.net  Thu Dec 30 21:04:31 2004
From: stonehenge.orders at verizon.net (kjirstem)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:04:31 -0000
Subject: Aunt Marge scene & Petunia (foreshadowing?)
Message-ID: <cr1qgv+gp3i@eGroups.com>



Watching POA again recently, I thought that Petunia's reaction to Aunt
Marge blowing up was surprisingly calm in the movie.  For the most
part she just watches and moves out of the way to stand over near
Harry.  She doesn't look quite as foolish as Vernon. Looks rather like
she's somewhat more used to dealing with magical happenings than might
be expected. 

Which makes me wonder if the extent of Petunia's familiarity with the
wizarding world is one of the places where there is foreshadowing in
the movie.  Of course, OOtP makes it clear that Petunia knows more
than she lets on about the WW but we still don't know just what and
how much she does know.  

Anyway, wondered what others thought about this...
kjirstem