nonsexual Lupin

[Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape]

My 2 sickles - ok when looking at the film and the werewolf Lupin 
becomes, the last thing I thought of was whether he was in love with 
Sirius or Lily - he was SEXLESS people, like a Ken doll (not even a 
bump or hair - nothing, nada, nilch) and we know what happened 
between him and Barbie. Sorry, but I thought I would add a new spin 
to the conversation. No wonder Lupin the werewolf was so distressed.
jk Sassy
here's to discussion!

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alshainofthenorth" 
<alshainofthenorth at y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, I saw the same thing as you did. I thought, "Oh, poor Lupin 
> was 
> > in love with Lily and he's a werewolf!" Never crossed my mind 
about 
> > him being gay until I read it here either. Still don't think 
that. 
> > But, I'm not getting into all that again! :-)
> > 
> > Deborah
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> > <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > > From: "sopraniste" <sopraniste at y...>
> > > <snip>
> > > My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the 
> > bridge,
> > > when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily 
and
> > > James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy 
> was
> > > one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY 
> > clear
> > > to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was 
a 
> > very
> > > nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already 
my
> > > favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until 
it
> > > came up on the list that others might see him as gay.
> > > 
> > > Flop
> > > 
> > > [from Valerie]
> > > I keep wondering if this is not one of the things JKR was 
> alluding 
> > to when
> > > she said Cuaron was foreshadowing some future plot in books 6-
7. 
> > Though I
> > > know in response to an interview question she said she was not 
> > going to do a
> > > "spin-off" book, expanding on the Marauder's time period. Too 
> > bad...I find
> > > it all very fascinating.
> > > Guess I could spend lots of time debating on what exactly will 
be 
> > revealed,
> > > but hey, that's another chat group altogether, isn't it?!
> > > 
> 
> Alshain (who for the record dislikes love triangles:)
> 
> Being the voice of dissent here, I didn't interpret movie!Lupin's 
> words as a sign of romantic interest in Lily. Deep platonic love, 
> more likely. The way I saw it, there was an estrangement between 
> Remus on the one hand and James and Sirius on the other (engineered 
> by Peter, no doubt, who had set up the only Dark creature he knew 
as 
> a fall guy) in the year before Voldemort's downfall.
> 
> Lily on the other hand would never believe Remus was the spy, as 
> she's a woman with an independent mind and strong opinions, not as 
> likely to be prejudiced against werewolves as her pureblood husband 
> and his pureblood best friend (Once you get enough propaganda into 
> people, any preconceptions about ethnic minorities passed to you in 
> your childhood can start to surface again, no matter how 
intelligent 
> or well-educated you are. See Germans vs Jews, Serbs vs Bosnians, 
> Hutus vs Tutsis.) And as she isn't the one who's been bosom friends 
> with Remus since they were eleven, it wasn't as likely to be 
personal 
> for her. 
> 
> I wouldn't be surprised if Remus felt gratitude and admiration for 
> her -- she seems very much to be the kind of person he'd like to be 
> if he had the guts. He doesn't strike me as a person who'd languish 
> in unrequited love, either -- he's much too practical and has his 
> emotions too firmly under control. Most likely he'd smack himself 
> firmly over the head and tell himself to "Stop moping and get on 
with 
> it, Lupin, it's never going to work out, so go for a walk and clear 
> out the cobwebs in your attic and then get started on something 
> useful for a change."      
> 
> Then again, I also thought there was a distinct possibility that 
> Remus and Sirius had been a couple before everything went to 
pieces, 
> so I can't say how I would have reacted without that particular 
> preconception. Much the same, I hope. Actually, I don't think the 
> sexual orientation of Messrs Moony and Padfoot will have anything 
to 
> do with the price of butter. JKR writes Harry as seemingly 
regarding 
> grownups as pretty much asexual; it doesn't seem to occur to him 
that 
> they have the same kinds of hormones as he has. 
> 
> FWIW, the hug or the joint Christmas present can't be taken in a 
> vacuum, the subtext and the way the two characters act around one 
> another matter more. No shipper in my experience has said, "Only 
gay 
> men hug each other. Sirius and Remus hug. Therefore, Sirius and 
Remus 
> are gay men." In POA, Sirius is the one person who can disrupt 
Remus' 
> usual calm, and vice versa, Sirius calms down considerably once he 
> realises that Remus believes him. It isn't Dumbledore or Fudge that 
> matters for him, it's Harry and Lupin. In OOTP, Remus' presence at 
> Grimmauld Place seems to be Sirius's only hold to sanity -- the 
times 
> when he's alone are always when he's worse. And no shipper would 
> think less of Remus and Sirius' friendship just because they see 
them 
> as having / having had a sexual relationship. There's no reason you 
> can't share both romantic love and deep friendship. But as I said, 
I 
> don't think their sexual orientation is going to matter for the way 
> the story develops. They are who they are, and if they're revealed 
as 
> straight or gay or keep their asexual personas, it isn't going to 
> change their personalities overnight.
> 
> Finally, apologies for the epic. 
> Alshain