From scully931 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 02:10:15 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:10:15 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <40E3497A.000001.02924@TWINKIES>
Message-ID: <cbvrq7+ojmh@eGroups.com>

Yes, Neville is pure-blood. Remember how he was buying all the 
amulets when the heir of Slytherin was about and the students 
reminded him that, being pure-blood he was unlikely to be attacked. 
But, like someone said, that doesn't mean half blood is referring to 
Muggle blood. 

I guess since JKR said, 'it's neither Harry nor Voldemort' that it 
IS a person. I guess I'm just overly suspicious. I DO think it's 
something alond the lines of Mark Evans or Dudley, but what if it 
isn't a person at all? I mean, as we know, things aren't always as 
they seem. 

~Deborah


> 
> I thought about Neville, but I thought Neville was pure blood?  I
> thought the reason Voldemort choose Harry was because he was half
> blood like himself?  I guess I need to re-read the books again, 
> because I am drawing a blank.  
> 
> Kimberly
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 02:16:41 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:16:41 -0000
Subject: sloppy school uniforms
In-Reply-To: <40E28E81.17138.72B757@localhost>
Message-ID: <cbvs69+e33t@eGroups.com>

Yes, Amen, Shaun! You hit the nail on the head. You would have to 
*work* to make things look that bad. That wasn't natural. It was 
obvious. 

Deborah


> 
> Other points are fairly minor, really - it's just the difference 
> between the first two films and the third grates on me (it's the 
> change that is the main issue for me - not really how they wear 
the 
> clothing itself).
> 
> But that particular scene seemed ridiculous - it wasn't just 
> untucked - which I could just about believe - it was the way it 
was 
> bunched up. You'd have to *work* to make things look that bad.
> 
> 
> Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
> Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
> (ISTJ)       | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200 
> "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
> thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
> facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
> uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
> need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
> Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 02:48:43 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <40E3497A.000001.02924@TWINKIES>
Message-ID: <20040701024843.20506.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>

Just a small point that I think should be made as I've
had some confusion with people I've discussed the
title with. There are differences between half blood,
full blood, pure blood, muggle born.

The two obvious ones:
Half Blood: Means that only one parent is magical. 
Muggle Born: Neither parent is magical.

Slightly confusing ones:
Pure Blood: Presumably means that all direct ancestors
(in their blood line)are magical.
Full Blood: Both parents were magical.

So to clarify, all Pure Bloods would be Full Blooded
Wizards/Witches but not vice versa. Like Neville and
Draco are both Pure Bloods and Full Blooded because
their parents, as well as all of their ancestors, are
magical. Harry, on the other hand, is a Full Blood but
not a Pure Blood because his maternal grandparents
were muggles.  

So the point of this is, it's not important whether or
not Neville is Pure Blood, just that he is Full Blood.

~Kathryn, who hopes that makes sense

--- Kimberly Roth <twinslove at mindspring.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> -------Original Message-------
> 
>  
> I've reread her statement on the JKR website and it
> sounds like COS 
> has clues to who it might be. I was thinking that it
> could be Draco, 
> because in COS they thought he was the heir of Sly,
> but he wasn't.  
> 
> The real question about the title, is this person 
> really a 1/2 blood 
> prince or is he just the prince of
> halfbloods/mudbloods? If he were 
> 1/2 blood prince it could be neville...>>
> 
> I thought about Neville, but I thought Neville was
> pure blood?  I
> thought the reason Voldemort choose Harry was
> because he was half
> blood like himself?  I guess I need to re-read the
> books again, 
> because I am drawing a blank.  
> 
> Kimberly
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 



		
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From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 03:14:31 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:14:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <20040701024843.20506.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040701031431.22868.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com>

I wonder if the half-blood prince might be Victor
Krum?

or maybe the new DADA teacher?

Just throwing out random thoughts...

The second would match the pattern of the subject of
the title not being part of any previous book.  On the
other hand, I don't think we've seen the last of Krum,
either.

I wish we had a publication date (even an estimate) so
I knew how impatient to be 8-)

Sue, in Columbus


		
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From pandrea100 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  1 14:21:37 2004
From: pandrea100 at hotmail.com (pandrea100)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:21:37 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cbv3sh+sh0a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc16lh+ktfu@eGroups.com>

Is this the main thread for our suggestions or is it discussed 
elsewhere?

Anyway ... I'd like to see the following:

Mrs Figg - June Brown
www.imdb.com/name/nm0113942 
Dot Cotton in Eastenders! A great in-joke for UK people, like Ian 
Brown, but also a good actress and ideal for playing batty old ladies.

Tonks - Sadly no Charlotte Coleman, who would have been perfect.  
Will settle for Lisa Faulkner
www.imdb.com/name/nm0269096/
The woman killed in the infamous deep fat fryer episode of 
Spooks.

Kingsley Shackelbolt - might not even make it into the movie because 
he doesn't do much, but I suggest Chiwetel Ejiofor (of Love 
Actually and Dirty Pretty Things).  Mmm.
www.imdb.com/name/nm0252230

Mundungus Fletcher - David Jason in his Del Boy 
mode, he can talk about a cushty deal on cauldrons!
www.imdb.com/name/nm0419248

I think Grawp might be CGI; if not, they could get a huge wrestler.

What do you think?





From shawn_stang at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 16:05:27 2004
From: shawn_stang at yahoo.com (Stella)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:05:27 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <cbvrq7+ojmh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc1co7+1rah@eGroups.com>

I just had a thought on who it might be, what about Dean Thomas?  I 
was looking on JKR's web site and she has a section with info on him. 
His back ground is that 
"Dean is from what he always thought was a pure Muggle background.  
He has been raised by his mother and his stepfather; his father 
walked out on the family when Dean was very young. He has a very 
happy home life, with a number of Half-brothers and sisters."

In this section she comments that she was going to put his background 
in COS but sacrificed it for Neville, whose more important to the 
overall story.... 
I don't know, I guess I'll just have to wait for the book to come 
out. I'm hoping that it will be next summer.
-- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> wrote:
> Yes, Neville is pure-blood. Remember how he was buying all the 
> amulets when the heir of Slytherin was about and the students 
> reminded him that, being pure-blood he was unlikely to be attacked. 
> But, like someone said, that doesn't mean half blood is referring 
to 
> Muggle blood. 
> 
> I guess since JKR said, 'it's neither Harry nor Voldemort' that it 
> IS a person. I guess I'm just overly suspicious. I DO think it's 
> something alond the lines of Mark Evans or Dudley, but what if it 
> isn't a person at all? I mean, as we know, things aren't always as 
> they seem. 
> 
> ~Deborah
> 
> 
> > 
> > I thought about Neville, but I thought Neville was pure blood?  I
> > thought the reason Voldemort choose Harry was because he was half
> > blood like himself?  I guess I need to re-read the books again, 
> > because I am drawing a blank.  
> > 
> > Kimberly
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul  1 19:44:09 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:44:09 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] 6th book
Message-ID: <6b.2d43efa7.2e15c389@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/1/2004 6:36:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
The two obvious ones:
Half Blood: Means that only one parent is magical. 
Muggle Born: Neither parent is magical.
Good explanations.  So that means Seamus is in the running to be the 
half-blood prince, as is Hagrid!  Hmmmm.  Seamus has been mentioned a lot, gotten a 
lot of "air time" in the books, you could say.  In OoP, he's one who didn't 
believe Harry.  He's been shown enough that he could turn into a major character.  
Or it could be someone new, who knows (other than JKR, that is)???  
Interesting. . . .

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs. Figg, OoP


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




From twinslove at mindspring.com  Thu Jul  1 19:44:53 2004
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:44:53 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
References: <cc1co7+1rah@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003701c45fa3$e4772ce0$a11ba8c0@KIMBERLY>



I was just going to mention him when replying to a previous message.  The only
thing I wonder about is how JKR kind of downplays Dean Thomas in the over all
story.  Like it was important to really mention his background cause it has no
effect to the story.  Does that make sense?

Kimberly
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stella 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:05 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.


  I just had a thought on who it might be, what about Dean Thomas?  I 
  was looking on JKR's web site and she has a section with info on him. 
  His back ground is that 
  "Dean is from what he always thought was a pure Muggle background.  
  He has been raised by his mother and his stepfather; his father 
  walked out on the family when Dean was very young. He has a very 
  happy home life, with a number of Half-brothers and sisters."

  In this section she comments that she was going to put his background 
  in COS but sacrificed it for Neville, whose more important to the 
  overall story.... 
  I don't know, I guess I'll just have to wait for the book to come 
  out. I'm hoping that it will be next summer.
  -- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> wrote:
  > Yes, Neville is pure-blood. Remember how he was buying all the 
  > amulets when the heir of Slytherin was about and the students 
  > reminded him that, being pure-blood he was unlikely to be attacked. 
  > But, like someone said, that doesn't mean half blood is referring 
  to 
  > Muggle blood. 
  > 
  > I guess since JKR said, 'it's neither Harry nor Voldemort' that it 
  > IS a person. I guess I'm just overly suspicious. I DO think it's 
  > something alond the lines of Mark Evans or Dudley, but what if it 
  > isn't a person at all? I mean, as we know, things aren't always as 
  > they seem. 
  > 
  > ~Deborah
  > 
  > 
  > > 
  > > I thought about Neville, but I thought Neville was pure blood?  I
  > > thought the reason Voldemort choose Harry was because he was half
  > > blood like himself?  I guess I need to re-read the books again, 
  > > because I am drawing a blank.  
  > > 
  > > Kimberly
  > > 
  > > 
  > >  
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  1 21:40:32 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:40:32 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cc16lh+ktfu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc20cg+f31i@eGroups.com>

"pandrea100" <pandrea100 at h...> wrote:
> Is this the main thread for our suggestions or is it discussed 
> elsewhere?
> 
> Anyway ... I'd like to see the following:
> 
> Mrs Figg - June Brown
> www.imdb.com/name/nm0113942 
> Dot Cotton in Eastenders! A great in-joke for UK people, like Ian 
> Brown, but also a good actress and ideal for playing batty old 
ladies.
> 
> Tonks - Sadly no Charlotte Coleman, who would have been perfect.  
> Will settle for Lisa Faulkner
> www.imdb.com/name/nm0269096/
> The woman killed in the infamous deep fat fryer episode of 
> Spooks.
> 
> Kingsley Shackelbolt - might not even make it into the movie 
because 
> he doesn't do much, but I suggest Chiwetel Ejiofor (of Love 
> Actually and Dirty Pretty Things).  Mmm.
> www.imdb.com/name/nm0252230
> 
> Mundungus Fletcher - David Jason in his Del Boy 
> mode, he can talk about a cushty deal on cauldrons!
> www.imdb.com/name/nm0419248
> 
> I think Grawp might be CGI; if not, they could get a huge wrestler.
> 
> What do you think?

Mrs. Figg - Phyllida Law

Tonks - Anyone but Keira Knightley

Kingsley Shackelbolt - Chiwetel Ejiofor (of Love Actually); The 
minute I saw him I knew people were going to throw that name around.  
But I happened to catch an old episode of East Enders on Saturday...

Mundungus Fletcher - Iam Holm ("'Sup, Figgy?")

Maybe I'll be lucky enough again to get one of my choices.  It 
happened for POA! (Emma Thompson)

Marci




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 01:27:23 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 01:27:23 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <003701c45fa3$e4772ce0$a11ba8c0@KIMBERLY>
Message-ID: <cc2dlr+114a2@eGroups.com>

The only thing that makes me wonder about Dean is what Stella 
mentioned about Dean's background almost being in COS. I think 
that's the only good argument for him at this point. He's one that 
strikes me as a purely supporting character. I know we could have 
said the same thing about a couple others that became more 
important, but Neville, for instance, always struck me as a little 
more interesting. I don't suppose Dumbeldore's brother Aberforth is 
in the running. I was thinking about this late last night... Prince 
of what? I mean, I could understand it better if it was 'Half Blood 
Heir' or something like that. (Come to think of it, that's a cool 
title.) I know it's probably just a way of wording it, but there 
doesn't seem to be royalty in the wizarding world. Anyone care to 
enlighten me? Also, if Petunia *is* perhaps a witch as we speculated 
after book five, that *would* make Dudely a half-blood. 

Oh... who knows. I'm sticking with Dudley or that shady Mark Evans 
character. No... I know! I have a new theory. It's Vernon. Prince 
Vernon. And he can wear a little crown. hehe.

~Deborah

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Roth" <twinslove at m...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> I was just going to mention him when replying to a previous 
message.  The only
> thing I wonder about is how JKR kind of downplays Dean Thomas in 
the over all
> story.  Like it was important to really mention his background 
cause it has no
> effect to the story.  Does that make sense?
> 
> Kimberly
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Stella 
>   To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:05 AM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
> 
> 
>   I just had a thought on who it might be, what about Dean 
Thomas?  I 
>   was looking on JKR's web site and she has a section with info on 
him. 
>   His back ground is that 
>   "Dean is from what he always thought was a pure Muggle 
background.  
>   He has been raised by his mother and his stepfather; his father 
>   walked out on the family when Dean was very young. He has a very 
>   happy home life, with a number of Half-brothers and sisters."
> 
>   In this section she comments that she was going to put his 
background 
>   in COS but sacrificed it for Neville, whose more important to 
the 
>   overall story.... 
>   I don't know, I guess I'll just have to wait for the book to 
come 
>   out. I'm hoping that it will be next summer.
>   -- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
wrote:
>   > Yes, Neville is pure-blood. Remember how he was buying all the 
>   > amulets when the heir of Slytherin was about and the students 
>   > reminded him that, being pure-blood he was unlikely to be 
attacked. 
>   > But, like someone said, that doesn't mean half blood is 
referring 
>   to 
>   > Muggle blood. 
>   > 
>   > I guess since JKR said, 'it's neither Harry nor Voldemort' 
that it 
>   > IS a person. I guess I'm just overly suspicious. I DO think 
it's 
>   > something alond the lines of Mark Evans or Dudley, but what if 
it 
>   > isn't a person at all? I mean, as we know, things aren't 
always as 
>   > they seem. 
>   > 
>   > ~Deborah
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > 
>   > > I thought about Neville, but I thought Neville was pure 
blood?  I
>   > > thought the reason Voldemort choose Harry was because he was 
half
>   > > blood like himself?  I guess I need to re-read the books 
again, 
>   > > because I am drawing a blank.  
>   > > 
>   > > Kimberly
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >  
>   > > 
>   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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From tubadave at normalview.com  Fri Jul  2 02:58:41 2004
From: tubadave at normalview.com (Big D)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 02:58:41 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <cc1co7+1rah@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc2j11+hvuj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Stella" <shawn_stang at y...> 
wrote:
> I just had a thought on who it might be, what about 
> Dean Thomas?  I was looking on JKR's web site and she has a  
> section with info on him. His back ground is that 
> "Dean is from what he always thought was a pure Muggle 
> background. He has been raised by his mother and his stepfather; 
> his father walked out on the family when Dean was very young. 
> He has a very happy home life, with a number of Half-brothers 
> and sisters."
> 
> In this section she comments that she was going to put his 
> background in COS but sacrificed it for Neville, whose more 
> important to the overall story.... 
> I don't know, I guess I'll just have to wait for the book to come 
> out. I'm hoping that it will be next summer.


And now Big D says:

The same thought had occured to me as well. However, if Dean 
actually was the HBP, I really couldn't see JKR giving away so much 
of his background like that...I mean, it would almost be a dead 
giveaway, and she's always been exceptionally good at not giving 
information away when she hasn't wanted to.

Furthermore, in that same section, she says some other things that 
make me think it's not Dean:

1) She refers to him as a "peripheral character." 
2) She refers to the inclusion of his story in CoS as 
an "unnecessary digression."
3) She comments that doesn't think that "his history will ever make 
it into the books."

She has mentioned, in the wake of the Storg? hoax, that 
only "truthful and accurate" information will find its way onto her 
site, so those three things above really leave no possibility of the 
HBP being Dean.


Seamus is a possibility, I suppose, but I would really be shocked to 
see a character who has been so "peripheral" for so long suddenly 
thrust into the spotlight. It could also be a character who hasn't 
been introduced yet. Or one who lived in the past, who has some 
important meaning in the present.

Big D




From autumn_sprite at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  2 05:24:11 2004
From: autumn_sprite at yahoo.com (Marianne)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 05:24:11 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cc20cg+f31i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc2rhr+o55e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> 
wrote:
> "pandrea100" <pandrea100 at h...> wrote:
> > Kingsley Shackelbolt - might not even make it into the movie 
> because 
> > he doesn't do much, but I suggest Chiwetel Ejiofor (of Love 
> > Actually and Dirty Pretty Things).  Mmm.
> > www.imdb.com/name/nm0252230
 
> Kingsley Shackelbolt - Chiwetel Ejiofor (of Love Actually); The 
> minute I saw him I knew people were going to throw that name 
around.  
> But I happened to catch an old episode of East Enders on 
Saturday...

My vote is for Colin Salmon.
Pic ... http://images1.wireimage.com/images/thumbnail/3007671.jpg
Bio ... http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0758760/

MarianneC




From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul  2 12:43:38 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:43:38 -0000
Subject: Question about Adrain Pucey
Message-ID: <cc3l9q+m6mn@eGroups.com>

I'm working on an article over at Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_cast

and I wondered whether there had been a debate over whether the
character played by David Holmes in the second film (credited as
Slytherin Beater #1) is the same as Adrian Pucey, the character played
by him in the first film, who was however a Chaser.

If the convoluted syntax of that sentence makes sense to you, and you
can help me out, please do.
-- 
Phil




From allisonotto at gmail.com  Fri Jul  2 13:13:39 2004
From: allisonotto at gmail.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:13:39 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cc20cg+f31i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc3n23+uqpn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> wrote:
> 
> Mrs. Figg - Phyllida Law
 snip! 
>
> Maybe I'll be lucky enough again to get one of my choices.  It 
> happened for POA! (Emma Thompson)
> 
> Marci


I love the idea of Phyllida Law as Mrs. Figg!  She can be hilarious.  
And since she's Emma Thompson's mom, maybe she'll get pulled in. :)

-Allison




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  2 20:42:13 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 20:42:13 -0000
Subject: PoA spoof!
Message-ID: <cc4hb5+hakj@eGroups.com>

It's a must see/read!!! Go to 
http://www.jerrythefrogproductions.com/PrisonerOfAzkaban.html

Sophia




From gcrumpac at pacbell.net  Fri Jul  2 20:51:31 2004
From: gcrumpac at pacbell.net (Gretchen Crumpacker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:51:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA spoof!
In-Reply-To: <cc4hb5+hakj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040702205131.3189.qmail@web80307.mail.yahoo.com>

It's cute!  Very similar in some spots to this one,
which I *love*.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/2237.html?thread=39101

Gretchen

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From Estama02 at aol.com  Fri Jul  2 03:17:29 2004
From: Estama02 at aol.com (Estama02 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:17:29 -0400
Subject: Book six
Message-ID: <775E12B8.06BD2579.006AD835@aol.com>

>(snipping) Kathryn wrote:
>
>Half Blood: Means that only one parent is magical
>
>Harry, on the other hand, is a Full Blood but
>not a Pure Blood because his maternal grandparents
>were muggles.

Harry is considered a half-blood though, not a full blood. In OotP Dumbledore tells harry that voldemort did not chose the pureblood (neville), but the halfblood (harry).

we know both harry's parents were magicial, so i don't think thats the right defintion for half-blood. That always confused me.

I thought it could be Remus Lupin (among other speculations), JK mentions on her website that he's one of her favorites, that he's a halfblood, and i remember in one interview something about that he still had a big role to play in future books.

Carlie




From andesr at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  3 00:51:34 2004
From: andesr at hotmail.com (Mandy)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 00:51:34 -0000
Subject: Half -blood
Message-ID: <cc4vum+7sgq@eGroups.com>

  I thought a half blood was some one with one magical parent and 
one muggle parent, but some one recently posted that Dumbledor 
refered to Harry as a half-blood. Anyone have a good answer for this?

  One person I thought might be the half-blood prince was James. 
Nothing about his family has been said unless I missed it. Do we 
know if he was pure blood or half blood or muggle born? I suppose a 
lot is going to be dependant on how JKR defines half-blood and what 
exactly she means by prince.

  ande





From katydid3500 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 06:03:24 2004
From: katydid3500 at yahoo.com (Kathryn Wolber)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:03:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] RE: Book six
In-Reply-To: <775E12B8.06BD2579.006AD835@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040703060324.50288.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>


> >(snipping) Kathryn wrote:
> >
> >Half Blood: Means that only one parent is magical
> >
> >Harry, on the other hand, is a Full Blood but
> >not a Pure Blood because his maternal grandparents
> >were muggles.
> 
Carlie Wrote

> Harry is considered a half-blood though, not a full
> blood. In OotP Dumbledore tells harry that voldemort
> did not chose the pureblood (neville), but the
> halfblood (harry).
> 
> we know both harry's parents were magicial, so i
> don't think thats the right defintion for
> half-blood. That always confused me.
> 
> Carlie

Well this is where it all becomes confusing...because
there's "half blood" as compared to full blood, which
is a general term meaning you don't have an entirely
magical lineage. But then I personally differentiate
that from half blood as in your actual parents were a
magical person and a muggle. 

So if Dumbledore does call Harry a half blood (sorry,
it's almost 2 am so I won't be checking right now)
it's the "you have muggles in your lineage" version.

I took the title as the "you had a muggle parent" type
of half blood because numerous characters (Hagrid in
the movie, probably someone else in the book) say that
most witches/wizards are half blood or less. So the
"muggles in your lineage" version would encompass
almost the entire wizarding world and I see the title
as being a bit more selective than: it could basicly
be anyone who's not muggle born or on the Black Family
Tree (as most (if not all) pure blood families are
represented on the tree).

So maybe it's just me, but I think the Half Blood
Prince refers to someone who has one muggle parent.

~Kathryn



		
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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  3 07:59:32 2004
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 07:59:32 -0000
Subject: PoA in 15 minutes no longer accessible?
Message-ID: <cc5p14+iq6c@eGroups.com>

I was trying to find the hilarious "PoA in 15 minutes" spoof that 
was posted about on this list a short while back, but everytime I 
try to link to it I get an "ERROR You are not authorized to view 
this protected entry."

Is it no longer available?  Is there any way to contact the person 
who wrote it and ask for it be reposted or to be granted access to 
read it?  

Diana L.






From osotac at adelphia.net  Sat Jul  3 12:04:51 2004
From: osotac at adelphia.net (osotac)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:04:51 -0000
Subject: Pure-blood, Half-blood, Muggle-born, Squib
Message-ID: <cc67d3+q471@eGroups.com>

Pure-blood---witch/wizard of 'pure'ancestry, without any Muggle 
ancestors whatsoever, as far as we can tell...
Pure-blood families:
Weasley family
Black family
Lestrange family
Malfoy family
Crouch family

Half-blood--at least one wizarding parent but at least one Muggle 
parent or grandparent.
Half-blood:
Tom Riddle---Muggle father/witch mother
Harry Potter---Muggle-born witch mother/ Wizard father
Seamus Finnegan---Muggle father/witch mother
Nymphadora Tonks---Muggle-born father/ pure-blood eitch mother                 

Muggle-born---wizarding person born of two Muggle parents.
Muggle-born:
Colin & Dennis Creevey
Lily Evans
Justin Finch-Fletchley
Hermione Granger
Ted Tonks

Squib---non-magic person born of wizarding parents, very rare 
occurence, more so than a Muggle-born witch/wizard.
Squib:
Arabella Figg
Argus Filch
                                             






From amani at atlanticbb.net  Sat Jul  3 17:48:32 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:48:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA in 15 minutes no longer accessible?
References: <cc5p14+iq6c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c46125$f5b54b80$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Diana L:
I was trying to find the hilarious "PoA in 15 minutes" spoof that 
was posted about on this list a short while back, but everytime I 
try to link to it I get an "ERROR You are not authorized to view 
this protected entry."

Is it no longer available?  Is there any way to contact the person 
who wrote it and ask for it be reposted or to be granted access to 
read it?  

Taryn:
Unfortunately, the author has been having numerous problems with plagiarism, so she's locked all her LJ entries to members of the m15m community. But anyone who's a member of LJ can join the community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/), and she has a bunch of other movies in 15 minutes that are hilarious.

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From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Sun Jul  4 04:03:55 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 04:03:55 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA!
Message-ID: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com>

I just saw PoA and it was fantastic!  The look of it and the acting 
was outstanding. The only thing that I thought they should have done 
was to explain about the Marauders. The fact that James's animagus 
form is the same as Harry's patronus and that it gives Harry a direct 
connection to his father which is the emotional climax of the book.  
Also as so many of you have said,it seemed that a lot of the scenes 
needed about five more minutes to them. WB needs to stop being hung 
up on running time. And where was Pigwidgeon?

  As for what was great about it, where do I start? I like that they 
made Hagrid huge. Buckbeak was amazing! And the kids are getting so 
grown up. But what I don't get is why there isn't more talk about how 
good Dan Radcliffe is. The best scenes in the movie were those 
between Dan and David Thewlis. And I don't want to start anything but 
when JKR talks about foreshadowing the upcoming books in this movie 
one of those things has to be the growing relationship between Harry 
and Hermione. 




From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 06:43:52 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 06:43:52 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <20040701024843.20506.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc88v8+c7uf@eGroups.com>

-Kathryn Wolber wrote:
> Just a small point that I think should be made as I've
> had some confusion with people I've discussed the
> title with. There are differences between half blood,
> full blood, pure blood, muggle born.
> 
> The two obvious ones:
> Half Blood: Means that only one parent is magical. 
> Muggle Born: Neither parent is magical.
> 
> Slightly confusing ones:
> Pure Blood: Presumably means that all direct ancestors
> (in their blood line)are magical.
> Full Blood: Both parents were magical.
> 
> So to clarify, all Pure Bloods would be Full Blooded
> Wizards/Witches but not vice versa. Like Neville and
> Draco are both Pure Bloods and Full Blooded because
> their parents, as well as all of their ancestors, are
> magical. Harry, on the other hand, is a Full Blood but
> not a Pure Blood because his maternal grandparents
> were muggles.  
> 
> So the point of this is, it's not important whether or
> not Neville is Pure Blood, just that he is Full Blood.
> 
> ~Kathryn, who hopes that makes sense


Carol, dropping in from the main group to comment on this post:

I think it's important to use JKR's own terminology here. She doesn't
use the term "full blood," convenient though it would be as a term for
someone like Harry with recent Muggle ancestors other than their
parents. Harry, somewhat confusingly, is classified as a Half Blood
(see the long conversation with Dumbledore in Book 5) because his
mother is a Muggleborn and therefore contributes Muggle blood, not
wizard blood, even though she's a witch. As someone on the main board
pointed out when I first joined, Harry has two Muggle grandparents and
two witch/wizard grandparents, which makes him as much a Half Blood as
Seamus Finnegan or Tom Riddle. 

As to who the Half Blood Prince might be, JKR says on her site that
he's neither Harry nor Voldemort, but she also indicates that she
considered the HBP title for "Chamber of Secrets." That statement
suggests that the prince is someone we already know well from CoS. I'm
guessing that it's Dumbledore (who, as we know, takes an interest in
Muggles, reading their newspapers and eating their sweets, which might
indicate that he had one Muggle or Muggleborn parent). But Dumbledore
was of course introduced in SS/PS and the HBP could well be someone
who was introduced in CoS, for example, Gilderoy Lockhart. Note that
"Roy" ("roi") means "king," so it's remotely possible that he'll
recover from his memory charm to play an important role in Book 6. I
sincerely hope not--that would be a royal pain. I can't think of any
student introduced in CoS who played an important role other than
Colin Creevey, who of course is a Muggleborn and can't be the one.

Carol, who's back to her first idea (Dumbledore) unless someone
provides convincing evidence for some other candidate





From justcarol67 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 07:03:30 2004
From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:03:30 -0000
Subject: Book six
In-Reply-To: <20040703060324.50288.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc8a42+rean@eGroups.com>

Carlie wrote:
Harry is considered a half-blood though, not a full
blood. In OotP Dumbledore tells harry that voldemort
did not chose the pureblood (neville), but the
halfblood (harry).
 
we know both harry's parents were magicial, so i
don't think thats the right defintion for
half-blood. That always confused me.

Kathryn responded:
> Well this is where it all becomes confusing...because
> there's "half blood" as compared to full blood, which
> is a general term meaning you don't have an entirely
> magical lineage. But then I personally differentiate
> that from half blood as in your actual parents were a
> magical person and a muggle. 
> 
> So if Dumbledore does call Harry a half blood (sorry,
> it's almost 2 am so I won't be checking right now)
> it's the "you have muggles in your lineage" version.
<snip>

Carol:
Here's the relevant passage, though there may be more than one:

"'He [Voldemort] chose the boy he thought most likely to be a danger
to him,' said Dumbledor. 'And notice this, Harry. He chose, not the
pureblood [Neville] (which, according to his creed, is the only kind
of wizard worth being or knowing), but the half-blood, like himself.
He saw himself in you. . . ." (OoP, American edition, p. 842).

So, as I said before, Harry's Muggleborn mother contributes Muggle
blood even though she's a witch, making Harry a Half Blood like Tom
Riddle, whose father was a Muggle. It may be confusing, but that's how
JKR presents it.

Carol





From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 07:45:13 2004
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 07:45:13 -0000
Subject: PoA in 15 minutes no longer accessible? + Pettigrew mistake in movie
In-Reply-To: <000b01c46125$f5b54b80$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <cc8ci9+edvd@eGroups.com>

> Diana L:
> I was trying to find the hilarious "PoA in 15 minutes" spoof that 
> was posted about on this list a short while back, but everytime I 
> try to link to it I get an "ERROR You are not authorized to view 
> this protected entry."
> 
> Is it no longer available?  Is there any way to contact the person 
> who wrote it and ask for it be reposted or to be granted access to 
> read it?  
> 
> Taryn:
> Unfortunately, the author has been having numerous problems with 
plagiarism, so she's locked all her LJ entries to members of the 
m15m community. But anyone who's a member of LJ can join the 
community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/), and she has 
a bunch of other movies in 15 minutes that are hilarious.

Diana L.
Thanks, Taryn.  I joined the community, but the PoA spoof is still 
MIA.  Hopefully, she'll put it back up again.  My son is very 
anxious to it read since my DH and I nearly laughed ourselves into 
illness when reading it last week.   

I just saw PoA again on IMAX (2nd time on IMAX, 5th time total) and 
it just gets better with every viewing.  Though, the bit where 
Pettigrew sheds his clothes when turning into a rat again is one of 
the biggest blunders I've ever seen in a movie.  I can't for the 
life me figure out who made such a glaring mistake.  Even if the 
people responsible didn't read the books and the rules of animagi, 
Pettigrew had clothes on when he turned into a human!  

Diana L.





From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Sun Jul  4 11:44:55 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:44:55 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA!
In-Reply-To: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cc8qjn+gu6a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mcmaxslb" < they 
SNIP
. But what I don't get is why there isn't more talk about how 
> good Dan Radcliffe is. The best scenes in the movie were those 
> between Dan and David Thewlis. And I don't want to start anything 
but 
> when JKR talks about foreshadowing the upcoming books in this 
movie 
> one of those things has to be the growing relationship between 
Harry 
> and Hermione.

Hey, you hit the nail on the head!! Dan was great and there isn't 
enough talk about what an actor he is becoming. If you go back and 
skim the list from the past month, you'll find lots of praise from 
us listees but we're still waiting for critics to catch up. Also, I 
am totally with you. Something is up with Harry and Hermione and the 
movie folks seem to be foreshadowing it heavily. If you are a fan 
of "great myths," you probably know something tragic has got to 
happen to one of the trio. Let's see what happens....
Jennifer




From amani at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jul  4 13:01:07 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:01:07 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
References: <cc88v8+c7uf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c461c6$f9209ee0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>


Carol
As to who the Half Blood Prince might be, JKR says on her site that
he's neither Harry nor Voldemort, but she also indicates that she
considered the HBP title for "Chamber of Secrets." That statement
suggests that the prince is someone we already know well from CoS.

Taryn:
Not necessarily. It could very well have referred to someone else at the time (my thought is definitely Tom Riddle). The title could have been taken on, but referring to a different character now.

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From amani at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jul  4 13:03:06 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 09:03:06 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA in 15 minutes no longer accessible? + Pettigrew mistake in movie
References: <cc8ci9+edvd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c461c7$3fc6dd00$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Diana 
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 3:45 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: PoA in 15 minutes no longer accessible? + Pettigrew mistake in movie


> Diana L:
> I was trying to find the hilarious "PoA in 15 minutes" spoof that 
> was posted about on this list a short while back, but everytime I 
> try to link to it I get an "ERROR You are not authorized to view 
> this protected entry."
> 
> Is it no longer available?  Is there any way to contact the person 
> who wrote it and ask for it be reposted or to be granted access to 
> read it?  
> 
> Taryn:
> Unfortunately, the author has been having numerous problems with 
plagiarism, so she's locked all her LJ entries to members of the 
m15m community. But anyone who's a member of LJ can join the 
community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/), and she has 
a bunch of other movies in 15 minutes that are hilarious.

Diana L.
Thanks, Taryn.  I joined the community, but the PoA spoof is still 
MIA.  Hopefully, she'll put it back up again.  My son is very 
anxious to it read since my DH and I nearly laughed ourselves into 
illness when reading it last week.   

Taryn:
Hmm. It should be right here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/m15m/2237.html

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From swartell at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 14:37:48 2004
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <000701c461c6$f9209ee0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <20040704143748.85216.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Taryn Kimel <amani at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Carol
> As to who the Half Blood Prince might be, JKR says
> on her site that
> he's neither Harry nor Voldemort, but she also
> indicates that she
> considered the HBP title for "Chamber of Secrets."
> That statement
> suggests that the prince is someone we already know
> well from CoS.
> 
> Taryn:
> Not necessarily. It could very well have referred to
> someone else at the time (my thought is definitely
> Tom Riddle). The title could have been taken on, but
> referring to a different character now.
> 
> ----------
Now Sue:

Or it could refer to a character whose plotline was
removed from CoS for a variety of reasons - space,
continuity, lack of resolution (too many loose
narrative threads), or because it gave away too much
too early in the series... That would fit if the
hypothesis of the title refering to a previously
unknown entity holds up.

On a related note, I was just listening to Jim Dale
read GoF yeaterday and was _strongly_ struck by
Voldemort's comments about Dumbledore in the graveyard
scene.  I can't locate my copy of the book at the
moment to check the wording, but he says something to
the effect that Dumbledore is the champion of the
half-bloods.  Red herring or clue???

Sue, 
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From jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 19:12:12 2004
From: jkusalavagemd at yahoo.com (Haggridd)
Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:12:12 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <20040704143748.85216.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cc9kqc+25aj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sue Wartell <swartell at y...> 
wrote:

> 
> On a related note, I was just listening to Jim Dale
> read GoF yeaterday and was _strongly_ struck by
> Voldemort's comments about Dumbledore in the graveyard
> scene.  I can't locate my copy of the book at the
> moment to check the wording, but he says something to
> the effect that Dumbledore is the champion of the
> half-bloods.  Red herring or clue???
> 
> Sue, 
> in Columbus
> 
Voldemort refers to Dumbledore as protector of "commoners". which I 
find interesting in the context of princes, half-blood or otherwise.

Haggridd




From twinslove at mindspring.com  Sun Jul  4 23:54:26 2004
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:54:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I Saw PoA!
References: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c46224$273cfeb0$6601a8c0@KIMBERLY>


  ----- Original Message ----- 



  I just saw PoA and it was fantastic!  The look of it and the acting 
  was outstanding. The only thing that I thought they should have done 
  was to explain about the Marauders. The fact that James's animagus 
  form is the same as Harry's patronus and that it gives Harry a direct 
  connection to his father which is the emotional climax of the book.  
  Also as so many of you have said,it seemed that a lot of the scenes 
  needed about five more minutes to them. WB needs to stop being hung 
  up on running time. And where was Pigwidgeon?>>
  I guess "Pig" will not show up until the next movie. I forgot about
  him. :-)  I agree about the Marauders map and the lack of history,
  but the movie is still fun to watch. I just got back from seeing it
  the 4th time (and saw Spider-man 2 twice this weekend too).


    As for what was great about it, where do I start? I like that they 
  made Hagrid huge. Buckbeak was amazing! And the kids are getting so 
  grown up. But what I don't get is why there isn't more talk about how 
  good Dan Radcliffe is. The best scenes in the movie were those 
  between Dan and David Thewlis. And I don't want to start anything but 
  when JKR talks about foreshadowing the upcoming books in this movie 
  one of those things has to be the growing relationship between Harry 
  and Hermione. >>

  I loved DR in this film, and I can't wait to see him further improve in GoF.  I wonder about H/H
  too, and feel like R/H are the too obvious choice.  Of course, I guess I must reading more
  into it on both the movie and in the books.  
  Kimberly




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From twinslove at mindspring.com  Mon Jul  5 00:07:38 2004
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:07:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Half -blood
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  ----- Original Message ----- 


    One person I thought might be the half-blood prince was James. 
  Nothing about his family has been said unless I missed it. Do we 
  know if he was pure blood or half blood or muggle born? I suppose a 
  lot is going to be dependant on how JKR defines half-blood and what 
  exactly she means by prince.>>


  I wondered about James as well.  Like you said, we really don't know much about his
  side of the family.  I was under the assumption that James is pure blood and Lily is muggle
  born, thus making Harry half blood.  However, that doesn't mean he couldn't be the
  half-blood prince, as someone pointed out.  Another thing is that I wonder if James is
  a direct descendant of Gryffindor, and maybe Godric Gryffindor is the half-blood prince.
  It may explain why Harry got the Gryffindor sword in CoS.  I know... I am probably way off
  here.

  Happy 4th of July to those in America!

  Kimberly

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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 09:04:12 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (blackgold101 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 11:04:12 +0200
Subject: Here is the document
Message-ID: <mailman.17.1576048055.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

Here is the file.


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Jul  5 13:37:06 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:37:06 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I saw POA!
Message-ID: <84.2d70df8e.2e1ab382@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/5/2004 5:54:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Something is up with Harry and Hermione and the 
movie folks seem to  be foreshadowing it heavily. If you are a fan 
of "great myths," you  probably know something tragic has got to 
happen to one of the trio. Let's  see what happens....
Jennifer




Yeah, and it's typically the comic sidekick who buys the farm. .  .poor Ron!  
I HOPE she doesn't go that direction, but she's not REALLY  writing kids' 
books, so she says, so Ron better enjoy life while he can!   Harry too, for that 
matter.
 
As for Dan's acting -- I've been raving about it ever since I saw  the movie 
the first time.  Some folks disagreed, but I stand by my  statements.  He DOES 
cry in that crying scene (some folks didn't see it --  I've seen it five 
times and he cried so hard his nose is running -- and his  cheeks are wet with 
tears).  I grang you, the sound when he's under the  Invisibility Cloak is weird 
-- possibly dubbed in later, as someone  suggested.  And those tiny smiles 
when he's listening to Lupin --  lovely.  And his RAGE!  Oh my, I just finished 
reading OoP for the  umpteenth time and I can't WAIT to see Dan racing around 
the room with the Veil  in it, raging in Lupin's arms trying to rescue Sirius.  
And when he tries  to Crucio Bellatrix -- there should be some great acting 
there!  I just  hope they have a great director for it!
 
One thing that struck me as very odd in the film that nobody seems  to have 
mentioned is that Lupin says he recognized Harry by Lily's eyes --  hello!  
EVERYONE says Harry looks EXACTLY like James (except for Lily's  eyes), yet it 
takes her eyes for him to recognize Harry????  I don't think  so.  He was one of 
James's best friends, no way he'd have to look that  close to see this was 
James's son.  Small point, but a valid one.  
 
Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP


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From islandgirl012775 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 13:56:53 2004
From: islandgirl012775 at yahoo.com (Cheryl Hafer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 06:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Half -blood
In-Reply-To: <002d01c46224$27693ed0$6601a8c0@KIMBERLY>
Message-ID: <20040705135653.67820.qmail@web13207.mail.yahoo.com>

Kimberly Roth <twinslove at mindspring.com> wrote:
> I wondered about James as well.  Like you said, we really don't know much 
> about his side of the family.  I was under the assumption that James is pure > blood and Lily is muggle born, thus making Harry half blood.  However, that 
> doesn't mean he couldn't be the half-blood prince, as someone pointed out. 
> Another thing is that I wonder if James is a direct descendant of Gryffindor, 
> and maybe Godric Gryffindor is the half-blood prince. It may explain why 
> Harry got the Gryffindor sword in CoS.  I know... I am probably way off here.


Since this is my first reply, it will be a short message.
 
This is a very interesting theory!!!  I also haven't read anything about James Potter's family. 
 
My theory on who the half-blood prince might be, Mark Evans, Hagrid and/or Tom Riddle.  
 
Another theory I have, (unfortunately) one of the main characters will die. 
 
Anyone interested in responding?

"islandgirl012775"




From sbchavez2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 00:42:18 2004
From: sbchavez2000 at yahoo.com (Brooke)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:42:18 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cc3n23+uqpn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cccsha+dtvl@eGroups.com>

What about Josie Lawrence?  I think she would be an excellent 
addition to the cast.  Not sure which part I could imagine for her, 
however.





--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
<allisonotto at g...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Mrs. Figg - Phyllida Law
>  snip! 
> >
> > Maybe I'll be lucky enough again to get one of my choices.  It 
> > happened for POA! (Emma Thompson)
> > 
> > Marci
> 
> 
> I love the idea of Phyllida Law as Mrs. Figg!  She can be 
hilarious.  
> And since she's Emma Thompson's mom, maybe she'll get pulled in. :)
> 
> -Allison




From tekayjaye at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 02:02:53 2004
From: tekayjaye at yahoo.com (Tekay Jaye)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:02:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I saw POA!
In-Reply-To: <84.2d70df8e.2e1ab382@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040706020253.77619.qmail@web90003.mail.scd.yahoo.com>



artsylynda at aol.com wrote: 
<snip>

One thing that struck me as very odd in the film that nobody seems  to have 
mentioned is that Lupin says he recognized Harry by Lily's eyes --  hello!  
EVERYONE says Harry looks EXACTLY like James (except for Lily's  eyes), yet it 
takes her eyes for him to recognize Harry????  I don't think  so.  He was one of 
James's best friends, no way he'd have to look that  close to see this was 
James's son.  Small point, but a valid one.  

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



I don't think that he didn't see that Harry looked like James; I think he simply saw Harry's eyes first and made the connection. I suspect Remus was looking for Harry and looking to see how he resembled Lily. It makes me wonder what sort of relationship Remus had (or wanted to have) with Lily. He seemed to miss her very much, at least to me in the movie. 

My two cents,

tekay



		
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From pandrea100 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 02:35:41 2004
From: pandrea100 at hotmail.com (pandrea100)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:35:41 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cccsha+dtvl@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccd35t+4bsm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Brooke" <sbchavez2000 at y...> 
wrote:
> What about Josie Lawrence?  I think she would be an excellent 
> addition to the cast.  Not sure which part I could imagine for her, 
> however.

She would, but I don't know who either.  I think she's a little young 
for Umbridge, who I think of as being played by Alison Steadman.  
Maybe she could be Bellatrix, but that is such an evil character that 
I'm not sure if a comedian could pull it off.  In my head, Bellatrix 
is a sort of combination of Joan Collins and Cruella De Ville.  
There's an actress called Sinead Cusack who could maybe do it. 

I would love to see Bill Nighy in the movies but again, I don't know 
if there's a suitable role for him.  

"Pandrea"




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul  6 06:20:17 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:20:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I Saw PoA!
In-Reply-To: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD0FBCE1.10CA%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at ec.rr.com>
<snip>
But what I don't get is why there isn't more talk about how
good Dan Radcliffe is. The best scenes in the movie were those
between Dan and David Thewlis...

[from Valerie]
Congrats on seeing the movie. I'm trying to restrain myself from going for
Round 5. 

I was just watching COS at a friend's this weekend. I was struck again by
how much more natural the childrens' acting has become in POA. Draco's line
delivery and facial expressions were so forced (though I love the "Do you
think there's someone WORSE than Dumbledore?"..."Harry Potter?"..."Good one,
Goyle!".   :-)
To me, the sign of a good actor is one who knows just how long to pause
before delivering his lines. David Thewlis is awesome at this. The kids are
getting better too. In the first 2 films, Emma would always deliver her
lines too quick. Dan too. And that comment about Dan's only ability to show
change of emotion is to widen his eyes...was actually pretty accurate. I
definitely felt the pathos, frustration, sadness in this latest film. One of
my fav Dan acting scenes is when he is fiddling with the backbone candles,
talking about how he's not sure if his memory of his parents is real or not.
Just that little added touch of him playing with the candle was awesome. I
assume that was director-driven?



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul  6 06:36:11 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 02:36:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I saw POA!
In-Reply-To: <20040706020253.77619.qmail@web90003.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD0FC09B.10CD%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: Tekay Jaye <tekayjaye at yahoo.com>
<snip>
It makes me wonder what sort of relationship Remus had (or wanted to have)
with Lily. He seemed to miss her very much, at least to me in the movie.

[from Valerie]
I was curious about that line "She was there for me when no one else was".
Huh? 
What about his animagus pals? 


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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 09:01:00 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:01:00 -0000
Subject: Definition of a "good movie" for me- spoilers
In-Reply-To: <cb99l8+muoq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccdpoc+10ia1@eGroups.com>

Before I answer you I just have to say; Yes, yes and YES. I could not 
agree more with what your saying in your post. So many people have 
answered you already so I wont go through the whole list, but map 
thing I just have to comment on.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "florenceklecka" <f.klecka at m...> 
wrote:

> Harry having absolutely no curiosity about how several people 
> know what the map is;

I didn't really bother me until the end of the film, because if I 
remember correctly, Lupin does not tell Harry about the four friends 
and the map until the end of the book. I was kind of waiting for 
Harry to ask Lupin. Then came the scene where Harry goes in to Lupins 
office at the end of the movie and talks to him alone about him 
leaving. When Lupin then is leaving and Harry stands there and looks 
at him, THAT would be the perfect moment for him to ask about it! I 
was just waiting for it to happen, but it didn't. 
There are so many completely unnecessary sequences in this movie that 
Alfonso Cuar?n easily could have left out to make room for that 
moment. 

That Tom - Igor thing really bothered me too by the way.

Take Care
Pernille




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 09:12:57 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:12:57 -0000
Subject: Sorry not to see Wood
Message-ID: <ccdqep+7h1j@eGroups.com>


I just remembered, where did Oliver Wood go? Isn't this the last book 
that he is captain for the team? I was a bit disappointed not to see 
him in PoA. 

And Cho Chang, no Cho Chang.

Take Care
Pernille 




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 09:28:48 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:28:48 -0000
Subject: Inconsistencies- was Definition of a "good movie" for me
In-Reply-To: <cbfjmr+n6lr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccdrcg+f9vv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
wrote:
The key word is SUBTLE here!! Jo is the heart and soul of discretion 
> when writing about something as potentially embarrassing to a male 
> child as crying. Remember how embarrassed Harry was to find tears 
on 
> his face after falling prey to the Boggart/dementor? How he bent 
> over, pretending to "do up his shoelace" to surrreptitiously wipe 
> his face? Now if that had been left in, that would have been a 
> killer scene for Dan. I regret the directors have all shied away 
> from the emotionally charged things, which makes me puzzle even 
more 
> as to why Alphonso Cuaron "added in" something so contrived. 
> Jennifer

After seeing the movie and then reading this tread ,I get the feeling 
that the director hasn't read the book...does anyone know? And I 
thought J.K. worked on the scripts as well, at least she did with the 
two previous movies. How can she allow things like that?

Take Care 
Pernille




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 10:17:29 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:17:29 -0000
Subject: What worked in POA
In-Reply-To: <BD01106F.FE8%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccdu7p+kpll@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> I have 
> a bigger question, what did you think worked, if you care to discuss
> that. I want to, need to concentrate on the good about this movie.
> Jennifer
> 

I love the look on Herminie's face when Ron looks at her after she 
takes his hand when Harry is approaching Buckbeak.
It's just so good.

Take Care
Pernille




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  6 10:24:21 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:24:21 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA!
In-Reply-To: <002c01c46224$273cfeb0$6601a8c0@KIMBERLY>
Message-ID: <ccdukl+6eqk@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Roth" <twinslove at m...> 
wrote:
 But what I don't get is why there isn't more talk about how 
>   good Dan Radcliffe is. The best scenes in the movie were those 
>   between Dan and David Thewlis. 

You are right. He really did a fantastic job. He has a growing talent 
for communicating the emotions of the character he is playing through 
expressions particularly his eyes. One of my favorite scenes in that 
respect is the aunt Marge scene: When Harry i sstanding in the 
kitchen and turns his back on the dinign area you can really see the 
HURT on Harry's face as Marge talks ill of his father. Excellent, 
excellent acting. Too real.

Sophia




From resqgal at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 11:21:31 2004
From: resqgal at gmail.com (ResQgal)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 07:21:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sorry not to see Wood
In-Reply-To: <ccdqep+7h1j@eGroups.com>
References: <ccdqep+7h1j@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <65617e1204070604217a4d6409@mail.gmail.com>

>I just remembered, where did Oliver Wood go? Isn't this the last book 
>that he is captain for the team? I was a bit disappointed not to see 
>him in PoA. 

>And Cho Chang, no Cho Chang.

>Take Care
Pernille 
>


No Oliver Wood was the source of much worry this time last year.  When
the actor that plays him said that he wasn't signed for POA, everyone
was worried that quidditch had been cut from the movie.  As much as I
like Oliver, I think the quidditch scene was fine.

And, Cho Chang has been cast for GoF, so we'll see her then.


-- 
ResQgal

http://www.livejournal.com/users/resqgal
http://www.fanfiction.net/~resqgal
http://www.geocities.com/resqgal911



From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul  6 13:04:52 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:04:52 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] I saw POA!
Message-ID: <141.2d9c39ac.2e1bfd74@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:18:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I don't  think that he didn't see that Harry looked like James; I think he 
simply saw  Harry's eyes first and made the connection. I suspect Remus was 
looking for  Harry and looking to see how he resembled Lily. It makes me wonder 
what sort  of relationship Remus had (or wanted to have) with Lily. He seemed to 
miss her  very much, at least to me in the movie. 

My two  cents,

tekay


yup, that's valid, but still, it just seems odd he'd pick that  first.  I 
have a suspicion that all the Marauders had crushes on Lily at  one point or 
other.  She has to have been a very special lady, and James a  special man, to 
have a son who turned out as well as he did in such despicable  circumstances.  
How many children growing up in abusive homes like the  Dursleys is for Harry, 
grow up to be as honorable, sweet-natured (except for  that temper!) and funny 
as Harry?  He had to come from good stock for him  to survive the Dursleys as 
well as he did.  

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP




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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul  6 13:00:58 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:00:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] half-blood
Message-ID: <103.49c785e3.2e1bfc8a@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/6/2004 6:18:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

My  theory on who the half-blood prince might be, Mark Evans, Hagrid and/or 
Tom  Riddle.  

Another theory I have, (unfortunately) one of the main  characters will die. 






It can't be Tom Riddle -- he's Voldemort, and JKR said already that  it isn't 
Harry or Voldemort.  I don't believe it could be James, because  he's an "old 
wizarding family" (Sirius called Harry "the last of the Potters" as  if it 
were significant somehow more than it would normally be).  I would  LOVE to have 
had Harry ask Sirius how Sirius and James were related, since  Sirius said 
the purebloods are all intermarried somehow -- somewhere on that  family tree 
there could've been some Potters!  I guess their not being  there is because the 
Potters were "light" wizards rather than  "dark" wizards like the majority of 
the Blacks and Malfoys, and the "lights" and  "darks" probably don't 
intermarry.  Just an idea.  I suspect the  Half-Blood Prince could be Dumbledore.  I 
have a suspicion he's a direct  descendent of Godrick Gryffindor's (hence the 
sword in his office),  who might be considered a "king" of sorts in the 
wizarding world.  Or  maybe Dumbledore is related to Merlin, who definitely would be 
a "king" of  wizards.  Then again, maybe the "Half-blood prince" is Prince 
William or  Prince Harry -- maybe Princess Di was a witch??  ;->  They DO have  
"real" princes over there in England and we haven't even considered them,  LOL!
 
As for one of the main characters dying -- they're at war  now.  I wouldn't 
be surprised to see several main characters  die.
 
Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP


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From allisonotto at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 13:06:04 2004
From: allisonotto at gmail.com (allison_m_otto)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:06:04 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <ccd35t+4bsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cce83s+ija5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "pandrea100" <pandrea100 at h...> 
wrote:
snip!
I think she's a little young 
> for Umbridge, who I think of as being played by Alison Steadman.  

Exactly what I think.  Anyone who hasn't seen the big long Pride and 
Prejudice, watch it now.

more snipping:
> I would love to see Bill Nighy in the movies but again, I don't 
know 
> if there's a suitable role for him.  
>

After seeing him in Love Actually (and even I Capture the Castle), I 
could see him as a slightly less gross Mundungus.  He does that 
reeling half-awake drunk thing rather well.

-Allison




From verosomm at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  6 14:42:30 2004
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:42:30 -0000
Subject: I saw POA!
In-Reply-To: <BD0FC09B.10CD%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccedom+s6jo@eGroups.com>

My guess, after seeing it for the third time, is that Lily (remember 
her defending Snape in OOTP?) figured out Lupin's secret earlier 
than the Marauders.  I am wondering if anyone remembers word for 
word, when people describe Lily's talents as a witch, if there is a 
mention of her being "clever" as opposed to "great, good, powerful," 
etc.  Because then I am wondering if the reason Hermione is told not 
once but TWICE that she's clever that the Marauders are silently 
comparing her to Lily and thinking that she and Harry are good for 
each other?  This is only a thought, as I don't even like the idea; 
I'm more for Herm/Ron and Harry/Gin.

Veronica

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> From: Tekay Jaye <tekayjaye at y...>
> <snip>
> It makes me wonder what sort of relationship Remus had (or wanted 
to have)
> with Lily. He seemed to miss her very much, at least to me in the 
movie.
> 
> [from Valerie]
> I was curious about that line "She was there for me when no one 
else was".
> Huh? 
> What about his animagus pals? 
> 
> 
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From siskiou at vcem.com  Tue Jul  6 17:51:23 2004
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 10:51:23 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I saw POA!
In-Reply-To: <ccedom+s6jo@eGroups.com>
References: <BD0FC09B.10CD%valerie.flowe@verizon.net> <ccedom+s6jo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1262916699.20040706105123@vcem.com>



Hi,

Tuesday, July 6, 2004, 7:42:30 AM, verosomm at yahoo.com wrote:

> Because then I am wondering if the reason Hermione is told not
> once but TWICE that she's clever that the Marauders are silently
> comparing her to Lily and thinking that she and Harry are good for
> each other? 

I think if JKR wanted us to know that Sirius or Lupin "ship"
Harry and Hermione, we'd know for sure.

To me, the reason for the two "clever remarks" seems more the screen writer/director's
infatuation with the character of Hermione ;)

It *was* in the books once, and we all know that Hermione
*is* clever, but I can't see this being a veiled shipping
hint.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul  6 19:43:54 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:43:54 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sorry not to see Wood
Message-ID: <20040706194354.OQLE24784.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

> From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>
I just remembered, where did Oliver Wood go? Isn't this the last book 
that he is captain for the team? I was a bit disappointed not to see 
him in PoA. 

And Cho Chang, no Cho Chang.

[from Valerie]
Yeah, I know. I missed Wood, having just seen him again in COS this weekend. 
Love that Irish accent (or is it Scot?) They mentioned him briefly when Harry's 
in the hospital after falling off the broom "he's in the bathroom drowning 
himself" or something to that effect.
Guess they couldn't get him this go 'round?
I also missed Lee Jordan carrying on with his Gryffindor-biased, blasphemous 
Quidditch commentary, totally stressing out McGonagal. Loved that in the book!

I am also a bit surprised that Cho didn't figure in POA, especially since 
Cuaron seems to enjoy the teen sexual awakening theme. He spent his energy on 
Ron and Hermione in that respect, I guess. Plus Cho figures mostly during the 
Quidditch scenes, which he greatly abbreviated in the film.





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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul  6 19:48:17 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:48:17 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Inconsistencies- was Definition of a "good movie" for me
Message-ID: <20040706194817.DYKB2198.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

> From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>
After seeing the movie and then reading this tread ,I get the feeling 
that the director hasn't read the book...does anyone know? And I 
thought J.K. worked on the scripts as well, at least she did with the 
two previous movies. How can she allow things like that?

Take Care 
Pernille

[from Valerie]
I've read so much so many places that I may not have my facts completely 
straight, but I seem to recall that Kloves (presumably with JKR's guidance or 
review?) had already written the screenplay for POA by the time Cuaron signed 
on. Then in an interview Cuaron said that although he'd never read HP books 
previously, he loved the screenplay so much that he went back and read all the 
books. 



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From amani at atlanticbb.net  Tue Jul  6 20:06:11 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:06:11 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sorry not to see Wood
References: <20040706194354.OQLE24784.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001701c46394$afd07380$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

> From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>
I just remembered, where did Oliver Wood go? Isn't this the last book 
that he is captain for the team? I was a bit disappointed not to see 
him in PoA. 

And Cho Chang, no Cho Chang.

[from Valerie]
Yeah, I know. I missed Wood, having just seen him again in COS this weekend. 
Love that Irish accent (or is it Scot?) They mentioned him briefly when Harry's 
in the hospital after falling off the broom "he's in the bathroom drowning 
himself" or something to that effect.
Guess they couldn't get him this go 'round?

Taryn:
No, he just wasn't in the script. I remember the uproar when Biggerstaff said that he wouldn't be back for PoA because Oliver wasn't in the script.

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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 21:17:36 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:17:36 -0000
Subject: Sorry not to see Wood
In-Reply-To: <20040706194354.OQLE24784.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccf4tg+799u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:

> [from Valerie]
> Yeah, I know. I missed Wood, having just seen him again in COS this 
> weekend. Love that Irish accent (or is it Scot?) 

He is a Scot. I have a thing for Scotsmen so that's part of the 
reason for being disappointed :D As you said I just Love the accent.

Take Care
Pernille




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul  6 21:30:39 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:30:39 -0000
Subject: Casting suggestions for OOtP
In-Reply-To: <cce83s+ija5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccf5lv+p72q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "allison_m_otto" 
<allisonotto at g...> wrote:

> After seeing him in Love Actually (and even I Capture the Castle), 
> I could see him as a slightly less gross Mundungus.  He does that 
> reeling half-awake drunk thing rather well.
> 
> -Allison

Man after seeing his picture on imdb,from Underworld, he could play 
Voldemort!

http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/

Take Care
Pernille





From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 02:33:53 2004
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:33:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
Message-ID: <20040707023353.89230.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com>

My sister would kill me if she saw the title.  In fact, she's an avid reader, and anyone who wants to know everything about the Civil War should contact her.  However, she has not read any of the Harry Potter series, hence the title.   We attended Prisoner of Azkaban a week ago, so I thought I would share her perspective.  (As you may imagine, I grilled her mercilessly after the movie.)
 
My sister, whom we will call "Janet," has seen the first two movies, and she was looking forward to seeing POA.  She tolerates my mania for the books and movies, although I try not to give away critical plot points.  Her younger son has read the books, but he is not prone to discussing novels with his mother, being 17 years old and in possession of his own car.
 
First off, I am pleased to report that Janet loved the movie, and after the above-mentioned grilling, convinced me she followed all the plot points.  She said it is important to pay attention, and bathroom breaks could be fatal to understanding the plot, but she was on top of all the twists and turns.  She said her heart sank when she saw Lupin hug Black, since she really liked him, but she was suspicious that he had a secret.  She was actually relieved to find out his secret was that he was a werewolf.  She also picked up on the antagonism between Snape and the other two, especially Sirius.  
 
Janet accepted without question that Lupin knew how to work the map, and she loved the idea that Ron's rat has been Peter Pettigrew all along.  She had no problem whatsoever with the changes in Hogwarts; even after we went home and watched "Sorcerer's Stone" on DVD, she found the visuals to be stunning in POA.  She just took the changes to be indicative of the passage of time at Hogwarts.  
 
Now, while Janet's not a rabid film buff or in the business, she has seen quite a few movies and is a fan of the genre, so she is not reluctant to make her displeasure known (e.g., we watched "The Big Chill" at my insistence, and she did NOT like it).   Therefore, I can say with confidence that she truly enjoyed the film and is looking forward to seeing Goblet of Fire.  She also knows she (or my nephews) will get the POA DVD from me, if it's out in time for Christmas.
 
I make no claims for Janet's response as the definitive "non-reader's" viewpoint, but I did want to share that some non-readers are pleased with the movie and do not find the omissions puzzling.  
 
akh, who loved the movie but does miss seeing Herimone read a book upside down in the Firebolt scene from the book

		
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From pandrea100 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  7 03:06:28 2004
From: pandrea100 at hotmail.com (pandrea100)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 03:06:28 -0000
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <20040707023353.89230.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccfpbk+kgvd@eGroups.com>

I have to say, all the complaints I have heard about the supposed 
confusion over the Map & Marauders parts of the film, have been from 
people who are avid fans of the books.  I think people who haven't 
read them seem to just go with it, while people who have are 
moaning "oh, it doesn't make sense".  Which doesn't make sense to ME, 
because how can you pretend you haven't read them and imagine being 
confused about something you in fact know backwards?  I mean, I could 
see the argument if people were just disappointed/angry their 
favourite part was left out, but it seems to me that the criticism is 
being more directed at the movie being confusing because of stuff 
being left out.  Since I have read the books, and therefore have no 
trouble following the story, I don't really see why I should care if 
they might possibly confuse some hypothetical non-reader - especially 
when, as I say, all the ones I've heard from don't actually have a 
problem. 




From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul  7 05:16:59 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 05:16:59 -0000
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <20040707023353.89230.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccg10b+50d9@eGroups.com>

These are all good points that you make. My sister in law has not 
read any of the Potter books and followed the movie perfectly. No 
confusion in her mind as to plot points and what was happening on 
screen. She didn't miss what was left out of the book because, well, 
she just didn't know about it! Did it make things any less clear to 
her? Not in her opinion.
My husband and mother who are "read the book once" type of people 
enjoyed the movie immensely too, and my daughter and I who are "over 
the top/anything Potter we love, read and watch over and over again" 
type of gals just can't get enough of POA. The visuals, the acting 
(the scene in which Lupin talks to Harry about his mum and the scene 
in which Harry is trying to defend Sirius from the dementors by the 
lake are excellent examples of just how much Daniel Radcliffe has 
grown as an actor), the angst, the comedic touches, the sentimental 
moments... we are both completely enthralled with the finished 
product.
And, yes! the DVD will be in stores on November 23rd I believe!
Nicole         




From ekrbdg at msn.com  Wed Jul  7 11:11:27 2004
From: ekrbdg at msn.com (Kimberly)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 07:11:27 -0400
Subject: Prop maker for GoF
Message-ID: <058901c46413$2d7958a0$e0e0f943@hppav>

Not sure if anyone is interested but here is the website of the company making the beds for GoF.   They are to be used during the QWC in the tent scene.     
http://www.brassbeds.clara.co.uk/newphotos.htm

I doubt any of these styles are the one they'll use, perhaps though.    

Kimberly

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From judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Jul  7 15:17:00 2004
From: judy_magic333 at yahoo.co.uk (judy_magic333)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:17:00 -0000
Subject: Sorry not to see Wood
In-Reply-To: <ccf4tg+799u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cch45c+q807@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> 
> > [from Valerie]
> > Yeah, I know. I missed Wood, having just seen him again in COS 
this 
> > weekend. Love that Irish accent (or is it Scot?) 
> 
> He is a Scot. I have a thing for Scotsmen so that's part of the 
> reason for being disappointed :D As you said I just Love the accent.
> 
> Take Care
> Pernille


Me, too -- my husband is one, so I am a bit biased.  Anyway, I was 
also very disappointed that Wood didn't appear in POA.  One thing I 
like about the HP movies is the presence of Scots -- in addition to 
Sean Biggerstaff, there is also Robbie Coltrane.  And, my husband 
says that Maggie Smith is a Scot.  I think Brendan Gleason, who will 
appear in GoF as Moody, is Scot -- he certainly played one 
convincingly in Braveheart, anyway.

Judy




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  7 15:20:39 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:20:39 -0000
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <20040707023353.89230.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cch4c7+69vh@eGroups.com>

I can post something along this line too.  I have a friend who 
supports (and often supplies) my Potter habbit, but she is patiently 
waiting for the series to be complete before picking up a book.  
However, she has seen each movie with me.  She said by far, POA was 
the best one.  She too had no trouble following, and found the 
locations of the Whomping Willow and Hagrid's Hut, without reading 
the books, to make more sense.  She can't wait for the next one and 
would actually like the POA DVD for herself when it comes out 
(November, by the way).

Marci

 AnitaKH <anita_hillin at y...> wrote:
> My sister would kill me if she saw the title.  In fact, she's an 
avid reader, and anyone who wants to know everything about the Civil 
War should contact her.  However, she has not read any of the Harry 
Potter series, hence the title.   We attended Prisoner of Azkaban a 
week ago, so I thought I would share her perspective.  (As you may 
imagine, I grilled her mercilessly after the movie.)
>  
> My sister, whom we will call "Janet," has seen the first two 
movies, and she was looking forward to seeing POA.  She tolerates my 
mania for the books and movies, although I try not to give away 
critical plot points.  Her younger son has read the books, but he is 
not prone to discussing novels with his mother, being 17 years old 
and in possession of his own car.
>  
> First off, I am pleased to report that Janet loved the movie, and 
after the above-mentioned grilling, convinced me she followed all the 
plot points.  She said it is important to pay attention, and bathroom 
breaks could be fatal to understanding the plot, but she was on top 
of all the twists and turns.  She said her heart sank when she saw 
Lupin hug Black, since she really liked him, but she was suspicious 
that he had a secret.  She was actually relieved to find out his 
secret was that he was a werewolf.  She also picked up on the 
antagonism between Snape and the other two, especially Sirius.  
>  
> Janet accepted without question that Lupin knew how to work the 
map, and she loved the idea that Ron's rat has been Peter Pettigrew 
all along.  She had no problem whatsoever with the changes in 
Hogwarts; even after we went home and watched "Sorcerer's Stone" on 
DVD, she found the visuals to be stunning in POA.  She just took the 
changes to be indicative of the passage of time at Hogwarts.  
>  
> Now, while Janet's not a rabid film buff or in the business, she 
has seen quite a few movies and is a fan of the genre, so she is not 
reluctant to make her displeasure known (e.g., we watched "The Big 
Chill" at my insistence, and she did NOT like it).   Therefore, I can 
say with confidence that she truly enjoyed the film and is looking 
forward to seeing Goblet of Fire.  She also knows she (or my nephews) 
will get the POA DVD from me, if it's out in time for Christmas.
>  
> I make no claims for Janet's response as the definitive "non-
reader's" viewpoint, but I did want to share that some non-readers 
are pleased with the movie and do not find the omissions puzzling.  
>  
> akh, who loved the movie but does miss seeing Herimone read a book 
upside down in the Firebolt scene from the book





From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Jul  7 17:41:05 2004
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:41:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <cch4c7+69vh@eGroups.com>
References: <20040707023353.89230.qmail@web42102.mail.yahoo.com>
 <cch4c7+69vh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <13910146855.20040707104105@vcem.com>



Hi,

Wednesday, July 7, 2004, 8:20:39 AM, blackgold101 at yahoo.com wrote:

> She said by far, POA was 
> the best one.  She too had no trouble following, and found the
> locations of the Whomping Willow and Hagrid's Hut, without reading
> the books, to make more sense.  She can't wait for the next one and
> would actually like the POA DVD for herself when it comes out
> (November, by the way).

Just a general note about non-readers enjoying the movies:

I'm sure it's quite possible and not very surprising,
really.
In fact, I think it might be easier to enjoy it, if you
haven't read the books, since for one thing, you don't
*know* anything important is missing.
Consequently, you can't get upset about it ;)

The movie has simplified a lot of the story, and taken out a
ton of background, so I don't think it would be hard to
follow the storyline that POA presents, but nobody can tell
me that non-readers actually got the connection between
Harry's stag Patronus and James, or that Lupin's friends
became animagi to be with him during his werewolf nights.
(and many more details)

Also, the non-readers may enjoy the characters'
personalities as presented in the movie, but I'm 100% sure
they have a very different view of them than the book
readers.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Jul  7 19:30:16 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:30:16 -0000
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <13910146855.20040707104105@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <cchj08+okis@eGroups.com>

> Wednesday, July 7, 2004, 8:20:39 AM, blackgold101 at y... wrote:
> 
> > She said by far, POA was 
> > the best one.  She too had no trouble following, and found the
> > locations of the Whomping Willow and Hagrid's Hut, without reading
> > the books, to make more sense.  She can't wait for the next one 
and
> > would actually like the POA DVD for herself when it comes out
> > (November, by the way).
> 
> Just a general note about non-readers enjoying the movies:
> 
> I'm sure it's quite possible and not very surprising,
> really.
> In fact, I think it might be easier to enjoy it, if you
> haven't read the books, since for one thing, you don't
> *know* anything important is missing.
> Consequently, you can't get upset about it ;)
> 
> The movie has simplified a lot of the story, and taken out a
> ton of background, so I don't think it would be hard to
> follow the storyline that POA presents, but nobody can tell
> me that non-readers actually got the connection between
> Harry's stag Patronus and James, or that Lupin's friends
> became animagi to be with him during his werewolf nights.
> (and many more details)
> 
> Also, the non-readers may enjoy the characters'
> personalities as presented in the movie, but I'm 100% sure
> they have a very different view of them than the book
> readers.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne

Theresa:
Susanne, you have a valid point. Though my HP addicted sons and I 
(who am also obviously addicted) absolutely loved POA, my husband who 
I deem a muggle and he doesn't mind since he has figured out why I 
call him that, did indeed ask me afterwards about the stag. He 
thought it was cool but did not understand the significance. He loved 
the movie and has not read one single HP book but has seen all three 
movies and thinks this was the best one. He thought the first two 
were a bit childish. He also took for granted that the map was just 
something Lupin would know about. As for the anamagi background - he 
had the advantage of our sons and I discussing them on the way to see 
the movie. We were wondering what Padfoot would look like and talking 
about Wormtail so he already knew that the 3 became animagi to be 
with Lupin. However, we left off what James was, hence why he asked 
about the stag. His only confusion other than that was the Dementors. 
He thought they were sucking the souls out without touching a person. 
He did not understand how first you get cold, then start hearing bad 
memories and only if the Dementor 'kisses' you do you lose your soul. 
He still thought the special effect was cool, he just miss understood 
what they were doing. So yes I do think some of the non-readers did 
miss somethings but I do not think it made the movie less enjoyable 
for them. And I think if you asked a non-reader who hadn't seen POA 
yet about the first two films, they would have a different 
perspective on a few things as well. For example my husband thought 
Semus was the klutzy, and a not very good wizard. He got confused 
when Neville was standing up to the trio and even said 'who is that? 
I don't remember him.' He had other things in both films that he 
asked me about but that was his main one. Anyway, that is how the non-
reader in my family viewed the films so I guess I am saying IMHO 
Susanne has a valid point.

Theresa




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 00:05:16 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:05:16 -0000
Subject: POA Movie - view from a non-reader
In-Reply-To: <cchj08+okis@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cci33s+dllp@eGroups.com>

"Theresa" <anmsmom333 at c...> wrote:

> > Also, the non-readers may enjoy the characters'
> > personalities as presented in the movie, but I'm 100% sure
> > they have a very different view of them than the book
> > readers.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> >  Susanne
> 
> Theresa:
> Susanne, you have a valid point. Though my HP addicted sons and I 
> (who am also obviously addicted) absolutely loved POA, my husband 
who 
> I deem a muggle and he doesn't mind since he has figured out why I 
> call him that, did indeed ask me afterwards about the stag. He 
> thought it was cool but did not understand the significance. He 
loved 
> the movie and has not read one single HP book but has seen all 
three 
> movies and thinks this was the best one. He thought the first two 
> were a bit childish. He also took for granted that the map was just 
> something Lupin would know about. As for the anamagi background - 
he 
> had the advantage of our sons and I discussing them on the way to 
see 
> the movie. We were wondering what Padfoot would look like and 
talking 
> about Wormtail so he already knew that the 3 became animagi to be 
> with Lupin. However, we left off what James was, hence why he asked 
> about the stag. His only confusion other than that was the 
Dementors. 
> He thought they were sucking the souls out without touching a 
person. 
> He did not understand how first you get cold, then start hearing 
bad 
> memories and only if the Dementor 'kisses' you do you lose your 
soul. 
> He still thought the special effect was cool, he just miss 
understood 
> what they were doing. So yes I do think some of the non-readers did 
> miss somethings but I do not think it made the movie less enjoyable 
> for them. And I think if you asked a non-reader who hadn't seen POA 
> yet about the first two films, they would have a different 
> perspective on a few things as well. For example my husband thought 
> Semus was the klutzy, and a not very good wizard. He got confused 
> when Neville was standing up to the trio and even said 'who is 
that? 
> I don't remember him.' He had other things in both films that he 
> asked me about but that was his main one. Anyway, that is how the 
non-
> reader in my family viewed the films so I guess I am saying IMHO 
> Susanne has a valid point.
> 
> Theresa

I think some of us readers view different things as important to the 
plot and that's why so many were hung up on the MWPP thing.  To me, 
they are not important to the actual outcome of the story, what will 
happen between Harry and LV.  OTOH, just be patient.  It's gonna be 
included in the next film (for some strange reason).  LOL

Marci




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul  8 04:46:35 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:46:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Prop maker for GoF
In-Reply-To: <058901c46413$2d7958a0$e0e0f943@hppav>
Message-ID: <BD1249EB.10F2%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Kimberly" <ekrbdg at msn.com>

Not sure if anyone is interested but here is the website of the company
making the beds for GoF.   They are to be used during the QWC in the tent
scene.     
http://www.brassbeds.clara.co.uk/newphotos.htm

[from Valerie]

WOW! Those are gorgeous! Especially love the last one (French daybed).
Thanks for sharing.



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From dianasdolls at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 06:32:39 2004
From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:32:39 -0000
Subject: Prisoner of Azkaban DVD -Nov. 23rd 2004!
Message-ID: <ccipq7+pbhc@eGroups.com>

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet....

According to www.countingdown.com, "Harry Potter and Prisoner of 
Azkaban" will be released on DVD on.... 

November 23rd, 2004!

Hurray!  :)


Diana L. 





From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 14:51:11 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:51:11 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>

Well, better late than never for me, I suppose - I finally saw POA 
(after it had been out for a MONTH.. long story). I assume that I 
join many others in saying that it was a dark, dark film and I would 
be absolutly aghast if anyone took young kids to see it. I loved the 
dementors (the shots of them hovering around in the sky around 
Hogwarts "protecting" it was terrifying) and would undoubtely have 
given me nightmares. Professor Trelawney's "posession" was also 
rather disturbing and I half expected her head to turn around a la 
Linda Blair in the exorcist (it was effective in scaring my very 
cynical and grown up brother).

I was pleasantly surprised by how well Buckbeak ended up looking 
(having seen only the very dodgy looking plastic standin of him from 
one of the set pictures, ages ago). The "titanic" scene with Harry 
and Buckbeak over the lake was quite moving as well as the whole bat 
and ferret-eating touches. The Whomping Willow was much better 
depicted than in COS (not surprising, given the improvement in CGI 
effects since that film was last made) though I was disappointed 
that I didn't get to see Sirius touching the knobby bit of the tree 
with his paw as in the book (sedating the tree by using "Immobilus" 
spell just seemed too easy for other people not to have worked it 
out).The Disney-esque bluebirds getting whomped by the trees were a 
nice touch (or should that be touche to Chris Columbus) though I 
couldn't quite believe what had just been shown after the first 
episode of avian homicide.

Crookshanks was terrific though obviously with much smaller 
screentime and Timothy Spall was appropriatly disgustingly ratty. I 
really look forward to seeing him in anything onscreen actually as 
both he and David Thewlis are very intelligent and intuitive actors. 

Obviously there were many differences from the book (which I'll 
always enjoy to the films) but I thought that it was interesting 
that Harry's power as a great wizard was emphasized to a much 
greater extent in the films (his Patronus was brilliantly done as 
well as his expeliarmus spell knocking out Snape single-handed or 
wandedly when others would just disarm their adversaries). 

It is nice to see that the kids are growing as actors though having 
them wear "normal" clothing for the greater part of the film 
certainly would have helped them retain their naturalness (or 
perhaps they are too professional to be influenced by such a trite 
thing as costume). Daniel Ratcliffe has certainly grown - the scenes 
with him and Lupin were very nicely done as mentioned in an earlier 
post; I noticed the little touch with the candles too. Gary Oldman 
was *perfect* as Sirius (IMO) - he certainly had Sirius' physicality 
(anyone who saw his ribs poking out of his skin would be hard-
pressed to deny that he wasn't skinny enough to play Sirus) and I 
loved that Mr Oldman of a thousand accents, used a relatively 
refined one (distinct from Lupin's softer one) to hint at his 
somewhat upper-crust wizarding background.   

My main nit-picky point would have to be that after all of the 
references made to Lily's GREEN eyes, we still get to see Daniel's 
obviously blue ones. I know that he could not tolerate contact 
lenses however, given the extensive amount of money spent on the 
special effects and what not, I wonder whether some could have been 
used to digitally changed Daniel's eyes to the requisite colour. A 
small point perhaps, but one that would at least emphasize that 
Harry is NOT just a "mini-James". 

I look forward to seeing the next installment though will miss 
Cuaron's involvement. I suspect that the bar (in terms of maturity 
of the storyline and hopefully, artistically) has been raised by 
Cuaron and doubt that the next director will intentionally revert to 
the "safer", earlier cinematic installments. 

My two knuts anyway...

Sara_ELL




From harp66 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  8 16:41:48 2004
From: harp66 at yahoo.com (harp66)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:41:48 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
Message-ID: <ccjtgc+jkq7@eGroups.com>

Has anyone suggested Ben Kingsley yet for Voldemort? He does menace 
very well.

"harp66"




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul  8 19:22:47 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:22:47 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <ccjtgc+jkq7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cck6u7+kbni@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "harp66" <harp66 at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone suggested Ben Kingsley yet for Voldemort? He does menace 
> very well.
> 
> "harp66"

You know, he could actually play him. But I think he kind of looks 
too...nice, can't help thinking of Gandi. Maybe with the right make 
up he could pull it of. I don't know, I still kind of fancy Bill 
Nighy to play him. (Just in case you didn't get to see his picture 
last time I posted about this, I'll pot the link in here again: 
http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/)

Just my thoughts
Pernille




From pandrea100 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  8 23:26:57 2004
From: pandrea100 at hotmail.com (pandrea100)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:26:57 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cck6u7+kbni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cckl81+gfm9@eGroups.com>

I kind of don't want to see anyone as Voldemort.  Anyone they cast 
will water down the spooky image of evil nothingness I have in my 
head.  When he comes back he has this flat, snakey face.  What I 
think I would like best would be some sort of CGI thing - along the 
lines of how they did Gollum, if it could be as well done as that.  
In fact, they could even get Andy Serkis to again be the model for it 
(typecasting a fine actor, but I heard he's doing it again for King 
Kong so he probably doesn't mind).




From betsymarie123 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 02:44:53 2004
From: betsymarie123 at yahoo.com (Betsy Cortes)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cck6u7+kbni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040709024453.27397.qmail@web60205.mail.yahoo.com>



Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "harp66" <harp66 at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone suggested Ben Kingsley yet for Voldemort? He does menace 
> very well.
> 
> "harp66"

You know, he could actually play him. But I think he kind of looks 
too...nice, can't help thinking of Gandi. Maybe with the right make 
up he could pull it of. I don't know, I still kind of fancy Bill 
Nighy to play him. (Just in case you didn't get to see his picture 
last time I posted about this, I'll pot the link in here again: 
http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0631490/)

Just my thoughts
Pernille


You know, I agree with you Pernille.  I saw Underworld and he looks very Voldemort to me.  I think he can pull it off very good.

Betsy

(BTW, I just came from seeing Spiderman2 and found it really boring.  PoA was a million times better!!!!)




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From nostrebor at runbox.com  Fri Jul  9 03:07:30 2004
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (nostrebor at runbox.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:07:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>
References: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com> <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1BiljW-00060V-U1@odie.runbox.com>

Some replies in line with snips and a side-note:

> Well, better late than never for me, I suppose - I finally saw POA 
> (after it had been out for a MONTH.. long story).

We saw it for a fourth time last night at the drive-in. Shrek 2 played first, then HPIII.

> Professor Trelawney's "posession" was also 
> rather disturbing and I half expected her head to turn around a la 
> Linda Blair in the exorcist (it was effective in scaring my very 
> cynical and grown up brother).

My dd-7 laughed and imitated her possession LOL!

>The "titanic" scene with Harry 
> and Buckbeak over the lake was quite moving

The look of pure joy on his face was priceless

> My main nit-picky point would have to be that after all of the 
> references made to Lily's GREEN eyes, we still get to see Daniel's 
> obviously blue ones. I know that he could not tolerate contact 
> lenses however, given the extensive amount of money spent on the 
> special effects and what not, I wonder whether some could have been 
> used to digitally changed Daniel's eyes to the requisite colour. A 
> small point perhaps, but one that would at least emphasize that 
> Harry is NOT just a "mini-James". 

I think that having to change his eye color digitally would be quite a lot of work. 

> My two knuts anyway...
> 
> Sara_ELL

We did bring with us chocolate bars (Hershey's plain big-size) for dementor scenes, a flashlight (which I only let my dd shine it on the car floor so it wouldn't bother the other movie goers), a make-shift wand (I forgot it before I went to work, so dd used a long Slim Jim I quickly picked up at 7-11 on the way to the show), but now dd wants to find a toy frog that croaks.

Jodi



From nostrebor at runbox.com  Fri Jul  9 03:24:50 2004
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (nostrebor at runbox.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>
References: <cc7vjb+rff8@eGroups.com> <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1Bim0I-00070H-2d@odie.runbox.com>

Some replies in line with snips and a side-note:

> Well, better late than never for me, I suppose - I finally saw POA 
> (after it had been out for a MONTH.. long story).

We saw it for a fourth time last night at the drive-in. Shrek 2 played first, then HPIII.

> Professor Trelawney's "posession" was also 
> rather disturbing and I half expected her head to turn around a la 
> Linda Blair in the exorcist (it was effective in scaring my very 
> cynical and grown up brother).

My dd-7 laughed and imitated her possession LOL!

>The "titanic" scene with Harry 
> and Buckbeak over the lake was quite moving

The look of pure joy on his face was priceless

> My main nit-picky point would have to be that after all of the 
> references made to Lily's GREEN eyes, we still get to see Daniel's 
> obviously blue ones. I know that he could not tolerate contact 
> lenses however, given the extensive amount of money spent on the 
> special effects and what not, I wonder whether some could have been 
> used to digitally changed Daniel's eyes to the requisite colour. A 
> small point perhaps, but one that would at least emphasize that 
> Harry is NOT just a "mini-James". 

I think that having to change his eye color digitally would be quite a lot of work. 

> My two knuts anyway...
> 
> Sara_ELL

We did bring with us chocolate bars (Hershey's plain big-size) for dementor scenes, a flashlight (which I only let my dd shine it on the car floor so it wouldn't bother the other movie goers), a make-shift wand (I forgot it before I went to work, so dd used a long Slim Jim I quickly picked up at 7-11 on the way to the show), but now dd wants to find a toy frog that croaks.

Jodi



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul  9 04:09:56 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:09:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <ccjn0v+svso@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD1392D4.1109%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

[from Valerie]
Glad you got to see it finally, and enjoyed your review!

<snip> 
I assume that I join many others in saying that it was a dark, dark film and
I would 
be absolutly aghast if anyone took young kids to see it.

[Valerie]
Actually you are one of the first on this chat that I've heard comment upon
the dark, scary nature of this film. Could we all just be coming at it from
an adult perspective? Actually the first time I went to see the film, I took
my two 6 yr. old daughters. Now, apart from cringing a tiny bit at the
dementors, and the werewolf, they were mostly bored, from lack of
understanding the complex plot line. But then again, maybe my kids are
desensitized from too much TV - yikes! There were quite a few young children
(under 10) in the audience, and I don't have statistics on how many of them
are having repeated HP3 nightmares! 8-0

<snip>
The Disney-esque bluebirds getting whomped by the trees were a
nice touch (or should that be touche to Chris Columbus) though I
couldn't quite believe what had just been shown after the first
episode of avian homicide.

[from Valerie]
Again, I must be desensitized. I didn't have any sad feelings for the
bluebirds whatsoever!

<snip> 
and I loved that Mr Oldman of a thousand accents, used a relatively
refined one (distinct from Lupin's softer one) to hint at his
somewhat upper-crust wizarding background.

{from Valerie]
BRILLIANT Analysis!
(oh gosh, I'm starting to talk like a Brit, hanging out online with you!)
I was trying to put my finger on the distinction between Sirius and Lupin
and you nailed it. I LOVED the way he said "Not HIM [Ron]...the
RRRRRrrrrrrrrrat!" rolling those R's. Very sophisticated. I walk around the
house saying it. My kids think I'm weird. 'Course I now read all their
bedtime stories with a bad British accent, too. It drives them nuts!

<snip>
I look forward to seeing the next installment though will miss
Cuaron's involvement. I suspect that the bar (in terms of maturity
of the storyline and hopefully, artistically) has been raised by
Cuaron and doubt that the next director will intentionally revert to
the "safer", earlier cinematic installments.

[from Valerie]
Yes, me too! I think the cinematic bar was definitely raised for all, and
can't wait for GOF!




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul  9 04:12:56 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:12:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cck6u7+kbni@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD139388.110A%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "harp66" <harp66 at y...> wrote:
> Has anyone suggested Ben Kingsley yet for Voldemort? He does menace
> very well.
> 
> "harp66"

You know, he could actually play him. But I think he kind of looks
too...nice, can't help thinking of Gandi. Maybe with the right make
up he could pull it of. I don't know, I still kind of fancy Bill
Nighy to play him.
Just my thoughts
Pernille

Nah, Kingsley is too short and too tan. I think of Voldy as a tall,
emaciated pallid creature (I guess reminiscences of SS Voldemort/Quirrel.
Valerie



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul  9 04:19:55 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:19:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cckl81+gfm9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD13952A.110D%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "pandrea100" <pandrea100 at hotmail.com>

I kind of don't want to see anyone as Voldemort.  Anyone they cast
will water down the spooky image of evil nothingness I have in my
head.  When he comes back he has this flat, snakey face.  What I
think I would like best would be some sort of CGI thing - along the
lines of how they did Gollum, if it could be as well done as that.
In fact, they could even get Andy Serkis to again be the model for it
(typecasting a fine actor, but I heard he's doing it again for King
Kong so he probably doesn't mind).

[from  Valerie]
THAT'S IT! Andy Serkis in a Gollumesque (yet taller) GCI costume.
Hey, HP3 cost way more to make than LOTR, so they should be able to hire the
same awesome computer effects crew!



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From Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu  Fri Jul  9 02:56:44 2004
From: Martina.Frost at azwebmail.midwestern.edu (Martina )
Date: Thu,  8 Jul 2004 19:56:44 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] 15 Brits mysteriously so far uncast in a HP Flick..
Message-ID: <200407081956.AA87032452@azwebmail.midwestern.edu>

.. according to Empire Magazine June 2004 issue ("15;15 Vision" page 128):

1. Ben Kingsley (the next Dark Arts teacher, surely)
2. Victoria Wood (the one after that)
3. Bill Nighy
4. Miranda Richardson
5. John Sessions
6. Kathy Burke
7. Hugh Laurie (for Amos Diggory)
8. Stephen Fry
9. Eric Idle
10. June Whitfield (for Mrs. Figg, Harry's old babysitter)
11. Practically any Redgrave (except for Steve)
12. Tom Baker (for Ludo Bagman)
13. Nope, that's it.  Everyone else has been in it already.
14. Seriously, no kidding.
15. Okay then, Johnny Vargas as the new Harry Potter

                         :-))
Martina
 
             




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 07:58:19 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 07:58:19 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <BD1392D4.1109%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cclj6r+a08t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> and I loved that Mr Oldman of a thousand accents, used a relatively
> refined one (distinct from Lupin's softer one) to hint at his
> somewhat upper-crust wizarding background.
> 
> {from Valerie]
> BRILLIANT Analysis!
> (oh gosh, I'm starting to talk like a Brit, hanging out online with 
you!)
> I was trying to put my finger on the distinction between Sirius and 
Lupin
> and you nailed it. I LOVED the way he said "Not HIM [Ron]...the
> RRRRRrrrrrrrrrat!" rolling those R's. Very sophisticated. I walk 
around the
> house saying it. My kids think I'm weird. 'Course I now read all 
their
> bedtime stories with a bad British accent, too. It drives them nuts!

I'm glad this came up. This is something that has bee?n bugging me a 
bit. Have you noticed that GAry's/Sirius accent changes through this 
scene? I'm not good at naming different British accents, other than 
perhaps cockney and geordie, but that's about the extent of it. 
anyway, my point is that at the beginning of the scene, Sirius speaks 
a "less refined" english than when he swithces to the RRRRRRRRRat 
mode, which is when we get to the Pettigrew business. The way he 
says, for instance "You'll know all about the madness within" to 
Lupin, it's comletely different! But since Gary is a great actor, I 
can only think that there is some purpose to this, unless he changed 
his mind about Sirius?s accent between takes, and it's a resutl of 
botched editing...

Sophia




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 12:48:01 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:48:01 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (Sirius' accent)
In-Reply-To: <cclj6r+a08t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccm461+ehu5@eGroups.com>

Goodness! Children (to use an old cliche) seem to be much more 
sophisticated in this day and age to be blase about POA. I haven't 
had the time (or energy)to go through the 1000+ posts that were made 
here last month shortly after POA opened however I'm surprised that 
not many seemed to think that the film was inappropirate for kids. 
In my time (the 1970s, mind) thanks to an extremely overactive 
imagination, I used to imagine ghosts and evil spirits around every 
corner. I wasn't able to sit through "Raiders of the Lost Ark" with 
my eyes open for the whole film until I was at least 13 and I would 
certainly not have been able to watch POA at the age of 10 (though 
I'm heartened to see the contingencies (flashlights, and the 
ubiquitous chocolate) taken by some to help their kids out). A bit 
off-topic but after pestering my parents to take me to see "Jaws" at 
the age of 8, their brilliant strategy was to go to the latest 
session with the delusion that I'd fall asleep and not see the film -
it was spectacularly unsuccessful, though arguably "Jaws" was 
certainly not an appropriate film for an 8 year old.

Sophia wrote:

>Have you noticed that GAry's/Sirius accent changes through this 
> scene? 

Me:
I really didn't notice it however, I have yet to see it another 3 or 
4 times. It'll probably be more noticable on the DVD.

[SNIP]
> at the beginning of the scene, Sirius speaks a "less refined"     
> english than when he swithces to the RRRRRRRRRat 
> mode, which is when we get to the Pettigrew business. The way he 
> says, for instance "You'll know all about the madness within" to 
> Lupin, it's comletely different! 

Me:
Hmmm. I sort of see what you mean here. I construed things in this 
way: for most of the film (and the book), we are unaware of 
Sirius' "goodness". For better or worse, working class accents (non-
received pronounciation / Eton accents) are perceived as being 
associated with the rougher, more sordid elements of life (though of 
course, my favorite character in COS was the divine Lucius "Meelfoy" 
with a very wicked "posh" accent). It is therefore appropriate 
(cinematically, NOT socially of course) for the "criminal" Sirius to 
be a bit more "street". Also, remember that the character has had 
very little contact with other humans for a long time and would 
therefore be excused for having problems finding his voice 
(literally and metaphorically). At the Pettigrew scene that you 
mentioned earlier, Sirius is of course revealed as the ultimate 
selfless hero hence, (IMO again) his "nobility" is revealed via 
his "true" voice; he starts regain his old sense of self and speaks 
with his natural accent. On the other hand, it could just be that 
like all people Sirius reverts to a more relaxed tone when he's with 
friends with his "real" accent coming out when he's excited or angry.

Sophia:
[snip]
> But since Gary is a great actor, I can only think that there is    
> some purpose to this, unless he changed his mind about Sirius?s   
> accent between takes, and it's a result of botched editing...

Me: 
You may be absolutly right as often the simplest reasons lie behind 
the creative decisions that we the fans) overanalyse (case in point -
the whole "Mark Evans" business finally debunked by JKR). Having 
attempted really, really hard to sit through Gary Oldman's 
directorial debut ("Nil by Mouth") with the broadest Eastend accent 
ever to grace my ears (I eventually gave up on it as not being 
British, I really could NOT understand a word that was being said in 
the film), I feel that Gary Oldman made a conscious decision to 
stick with the voice that he did in the "rolling Rrrrrat" scene. 
We'll have to wait for GOF and OoTP to see how "cockney" Sirius gets.

Other thoughts (after a days reflection): Lupin's pre-WW1 gentleman 
(with the suit, moustache and gramaphone) added to the tragical 
element of his whole character. I imagined that he would probably 
have read tragic WW1 Wilfred Owen war poetry in his spare time. I 
personally didn't like the bald werewolf scenes but each to their 
own, I suppose. I sense that many people were upset about the whole 
MWPP business not being clearly elucidated. My view (albeit a very 
unashamedly selfish one) is that for those who'd read the book, the 
reference is obvious and the film can flow without another 
expository scene (which I suspect, may end up in the DVD version). 
If it made the film confusing for the "uninitiated" well, I'd 
suggest that they be directed to the books.
 
Cheers!

Sara_ELL
(whose head is in danger of approaching Aunt Marge proportions on 
account of Valeries very kind words)




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 12:54:45 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 12:54:45 -0000
Subject: Narcissa cast yet ?
Message-ID: <ccm4il+6n8v@eGroups.com>

Apologies if this has already been discussed in the 1000+ posts 
already on this board in the last month. However, we've heard about 
the other characters being cast in GoF but nothing about Narcissa. 
Given that the Quidditch world cup is going to be in the film as 
well as Jason Isaacs, I'd be very disappointed if Narcissa didn't 
make an appearance in the film. I've not heard anything about 
actresses cast in this role (though it is a tiny part), I still hope 
that either of the Richardsons (Joely, Natasha or Miranda) end up in 
the film. 

Sara_ELL




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Jul  9 19:43:41 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 19:43:41 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <BD13952A.110D%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccmshd+e4v7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> From: "pandrea100" <pandrea100 at h...>
> 
> I kind of don't want to see anyone as Voldemort.  Anyone they cast
> will water down the spooky image of evil nothingness I have in my
> head.  When he comes back he has this flat, snakey face.  What I
> think I would like best would be some sort of CGI thing - along the
> lines of how they did Gollum, if it could be as well done as that.
> In fact, they could even get Andy Serkis to again be the model for 
it
> (typecasting a fine actor, but I heard he's doing it again for King
> Kong so he probably doesn't mind).
> 
> [from  Valerie]
> THAT'S IT! Andy Serkis in a Gollumesque (yet taller) GCI costume.
> Hey, HP3 cost way more to make than LOTR, so they should be able to 
hire the
> same awesome computer effects crew!
> 
> 
> 
I agree that a CGI Voldemort could look really cool. I had read on 
the Leaky Cauldron on June 29 that Ralph Fiennes was one of the 
actors negotiating to play Voldemort. Personally, he seems to nice. 
Granted he was evil in Scheindler's List but Not how I picture 
Voldemort. I too think it would be hard to find a real life person 
who could look the part. Guess we wait and see.

Theresa




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Fri Jul  9 20:01:01 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 20:01:01 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <cclj6r+a08t@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccmtht+g03g@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > 
>> I'm glad this came up. This is something that has bee?n bugging 
me a 
> bit. Have you noticed that GAry's/Sirius accent changes through 
this 
> scene? I'm not good at naming different British accents, other 
than 
> perhaps cockney and geordie, but that's about the extent of it. 
> anyway, my point is that at the beginning of the scene, Sirius 
speaks 
> a "less refined" english than when he swithces to the RRRRRRRRRat 
> mode, which is when we get to the Pettigrew business. The way he 
> says, for instance "You'll know all about the madness within" to 
> Lupin, it's comletely different! But since Gary is a great actor, 
I 
> can only think that there is some purpose to this, unless he 
changed 
> his mind about Sirius?s accent between takes, and it's a resutl of 
> botched editing...
> 
> Sophia

Pray tell, what is a "geordie?" This list generated quite a detailed 
discussion on accents when COS came out, people incensed that a 
pureblood like Malfoy sounded more like an Eastender and many other 
such observations but "geordie" is unfamiliar to me. Enlighten me. 
Is it a term for an uppercrust person? What's its derivation??
Jennifer




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 21:15:43 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:15:43 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <ccmtht+g03g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccn1tv+6hlf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
wrote:
> Pray tell, what is a "geordie?" 

Geordie is a dialect spoken in northern England, in Northumberland, I 
believe.

Sophia




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Fri Jul  9 22:39:02 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:39:02 -0000
Subject: Age limit, was: I Saw PoA! (Sirius' accent)
In-Reply-To: <ccm461+ehu5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccn6q6+7mqd@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
> Goodness! Children (to use an old cliche) seem to be much more 
> sophisticated in this day and age to be blase about POA. I haven't 
> had the time (or energy)to go through the 1000+ posts that were 
made 
> here last month shortly after POA opened however I'm surprised that 
> not many seemed to think that the film was inappropirate for kids. 
> In my time (the 1970s, mind) thanks to an extremely overactive 
> imagination, I used to imagine ghosts and evil spirits around every 
> corner. I wasn't able to sit through "Raiders of the Lost Ark" with 
> my eyes open for the whole film until I was at least 13 and I would 
> certainly not have been able to watch POA at the age of 10 (though 
> I'm heartened to see the contingencies (flashlights, and the 
> ubiquitous chocolate) taken by some to help their kids out). A bit 
> off-topic but after pestering my parents to take me to see "Jaws" 
at 
> the age of 8, their brilliant strategy was to go to the latest 
> session with the delusion that I'd fall asleep and not see the 
film -
> it was spectacularly unsuccessful, though arguably "Jaws" was 
> certainly not an appropriate film for an 8 year old.

You are making a good point. I guess I didn't really think about it. 
Here in Norway the age limit to see PoA is 11. There was loads of 
talk about raising it even higher, but the next limit is 15, and I 
don't think the Cinema in Norway was willing to loose that many 
viewers in that age group. In my mind, if you can read the book, you 
can see the movie. I think people should give kids some credit. Most 
kids can determine if the movie is too scary or not. I remember when 
I was about, I don't know 12-13 years old, I rented a scary movie 
with an 18 years limit. I learnt my lesson. It wasn't a very good 
movie, but none the less I didn't do it again until I was about 15 I 
think.

Just some thoughts on the matter
Pernille 






From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Fri Jul  9 22:48:48 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:48:48 -0000
Subject: I Saw PoA! (finally so, longish)
In-Reply-To: <ccn1tv+6hlf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ccn7cg+l5gs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
> wrote:
> > Pray tell, what is a "geordie?" 
> 
> Geordie is a dialect spoken in northern England, in 
Northumberland, I 
> believe.
> 
> Sophia

So, if we were to tally, Sirius is uppercrust. What would you call 
Remus'accent? I am really just curious about the new characters. As 
I said, we went over the kids' accents, Lucius' accent, that sort of 
thing. But Remus, he really came across as a totally different 
person than I pictured from the book. I loved the jazz, the 
gramaphone. I do wonder whose idea that was...
Jennifer




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 22:47:53 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:47:53 -0000
Subject: Alfonso's address?
Message-ID: <ccn7ap+mtet@eGroups.com>

This may be a long shot, but is there anyone on this list who happens 
to have a contact address for Alfonso Cuaron? I suppose I could 
always send a letter to the production office at Leavesden Studios 
and hope they would forward it, but I have an iffy address to an 
agent in the US--the Endeavor Agencey. Does anybody know if Cuaron is 
actually associated with this agency? I need advice. Would you send a 
lette to Leavesden (where he isn't) or to an agency in the States--or 
is there a third alternative that you can help me with?

Sophia






From pandrea100 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  9 22:57:47 2004
From: pandrea100 at hotmail.com (pandrea100)
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:57:47 -0000
Subject: 15 Brits mysteriously so far uncast in a HP Flick..
In-Reply-To: <200407081956.AA87032452@azwebmail.midwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <ccn7tb+t7fl@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Martina " <Martina.Frost at a...> 
wrote:
> .. according to Empire Magazine June 2004 issue ("15;15 Vision" 
page 128):
> 2. Victoria Wood (the one after that)
Umbridge?  Hmm, that could work.  And her mate Julie Walters is in 
it.  I still prefer Alison Steadman though.

> 4. Miranda Richardson
Bellatrix Lestrange!  Ooh, that would be great.

> 7. Hugh Laurie (for Amos Diggory)
Been cast already - it's Jeff Rawle.  I always thought Hugh would 
have made a good Mr Weasley.

> 8. Stephen Fry
Too associated with the audio books.

> 9. Eric Idle
Eh, can't actually act.

> 12. Tom Baker (for Ludo Bagman)
Tom Baker is brilliant, but I can't really see him as a recently 
retired Quidditch champion, can you?  If there's ever a need for 
Dumbledore's brother Aberforth, though ... 

> 15. Okay then, Johnny Vargas as the new Harry Potter
Heh, I take it this is Johnny Vegas?  Er ... no.

Pandrea




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 23:22:05 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:22:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Narcissa cast yet ?
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Message-ID: <20040709232205.4108.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Sara_ELL <sara1412au at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've not heard
> anything about 
> actresses cast in this role (though it is a tiny
> part), I still hope 
> that either of the Richardsons (Joely, Natasha or
> Miranda) end up in 
> the film. 

I haven't heard anything about this role either Sara.
Personally I'm pulling for Kristen Scott-Thomas (she
does rich and snotty so well), but I hope that the
lack of informaiton doesn't mean that Narcissa has
been excluded from making an appearence. I've always
kind of suspected she might play a bigger role in the
story at some point, especially after Bellatrix's big
debut in OotP - but if she's been excluded, that would
seem to indicate she's not that important.

Lanthiriel S
> 
> Sara_ELL
> 
> 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 10 06:05:21 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:05:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Mark Evans?
In-Reply-To: <ccm461+ehu5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD14FF61.112F%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>

You may be absolutly right as often the simplest reasons lie behind
the creative decisions that we the fans) overanalyse (case in point -
the whole "Mark Evans" business finally debunked by JKR).

[from Valerie]
OK, I'm lost...who is Mark Evans??? 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 10 06:08:37 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:08:37 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
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Message-ID: <BD150025.1130%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at cox.net>


I agree that a CGI Voldemort could look really cool. I had read on
the Leaky Cauldron on June 29 that Ralph Fiennes was one of the
actors negotiating to play Voldemort. Personally, he seems to nice.
Granted he was evil in Scheindler's List but Not how I picture
Voldemort. I too think it would be hard to find a real life person
who could look the part. Guess we wait and see.

Theresa

[from Valerie]
Ralph Fiennes!?!? No way! He's too gorgeous! (English Patient, when his face
wasn't burned off, that is!)



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 10 06:27:43 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:27:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Age limits for movies
In-Reply-To: <ccn6q6+7mqd@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD15049F.1131%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

I remember when 
I was about, I don't know 12-13 years old, I rented a scary movie
with an 18 years limit. I learnt my lesson. It wasn't a very good
movie, but none the less I didn't do it again until I was about 15 I
think.

Just some thoughts on the matter
Pernille 

[from Valerie]
I remember sneaking into "Night of the Living Dead" when I was 8. My friend
and I were supposed to be watching some Disney film instead! I think I slept
completely under my covers for about a year or two afterwards!
I imagine that as far as POA is concerned, some parents were probably
unpleasantly surprised to find it quite a bit darker and more scary than the
first 2 (particularly the sucking dementors, and the naked, slobbering
werewolf. Now, those were probably the parents who had not read the books,
and were not aware of the darker, more psychological content. Granted they
had some scary bits in HP1 & 2 also, like the troll trying to bash Hermione,
spiders trying to kill Ron/Harry, the Basilisk with gouged out eyes, and
certainly Voldemort on the back of Quirrel's head was very, very creepy! But
that was also counterbalanced with some brightly lit scenes, whereas POA is
rather rainy and grey throughout, which IMO lends it a more serious air.
This was obviously Cuaron's intent. Even the fact of changing the Gryffindor
robes from bright red lining w/the bright striped scarves to deep burgundy
made the film/kids seem more mature.
But then again, how many parents realistically go preview a movie for
appropriateness prior to taking their kids??? You can't always judge a movie
by rating alone. Guess that's what reviews are for?





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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 07:05:54 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:05:54 -0000
Subject: Mark Evans?
In-Reply-To: <BD14FF61.112F%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cco4gi+77hb@eGroups.com>

Valerie,

Sorry - nothing to do with the films. In OotP, a child called "Mark 
Evans" appeared in the beginning. People on the HP4GU main board 
begain to speculate that he had a significant role to play in the 
whole series on the basis that he shared Lily Evan's surname. Whole 
elaborate theories and stories were created surrounding this 
character. JKR finally 'fessed up that Mark Evans was just a name 
that she thought up for a minor background character and that he has 
nothing whatsoever to do with anything that subsequently happens in 
the books. My point being, of course that often the fans get a *tad* 
carried away and make several mountain ranges out of molehills.

Sara_ELL :)




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 10 09:20:56 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 05:20:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Mark Evans?
In-Reply-To: <cco4gi+77hb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD152D38.1137%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>

Valerie,

Sorry - nothing to do with the films. In OotP, a child called "Mark
Evans" appeared in the beginning. People on the HP4GU main board
begain to speculate that he had a significant role to play in the
whole series on the basis that he shared Lily Evan's surname. Whole
elaborate theories and stories were created surrounding this
character. JKR finally 'fessed up that Mark Evans was just a name
that she thought up for a minor background character and that he has
nothing whatsoever to do with anything that subsequently happens in
the books. My point being, of course that often the fans get a *tad*
carried away and make several mountain ranges out of molehills.

Sara_ELL :)

[from Valerie]
Thanks! I'll have to go back and re-read OotP. It's been awhile.
And yes, you are right. HP fans definitely take things very very seriously!
:-)



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From monica.coyne at tesco.net  Sat Jul 10 11:13:56 2004
From: monica.coyne at tesco.net (Monica Coyne)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:13:56 +0100
Subject: Ot-Geordie Accent
In-Reply-To: <1089455627.534.96052.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4666e$ff27a340$6600a8c0@VALUED26C5C9DD>

A Geordie is someone who is "Born within sight if the Tyne", the river
that runs through places such as Newcastle and Gateshead.  I'm trying to
think off famous people with Geordie accents but I'm struggling.  The
accent is very strong, more a dialect really, many of the words come
from ancient Norse.  Inspector Morse's side kick Lewis was played by a
Geordie in the TV series.  Many famous footballers: Alan Shearer, Chris
Waddle and of course Paul "Gazza" Gascoigne.  Sting is a Geordie but
doesn't't have much of an accent.

Monica





From drcarole71 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 14:50:05 2004
From: drcarole71 at yahoo.com (drcarole71)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:50:05 -0000
Subject: musical
Message-ID: <ccovmt+q6k4@eGroups.com>


If the books were made into musicals, which songs would be in them?
Carole





From goalieracer at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 10 17:31:53 2004
From: goalieracer at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Age limits for movies/partially OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD15049F.1131%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040710173153.79799.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com>

It's a pity more parents don't take time to review a
movie...I recently went to see Van Helsing...a mom 
snuck into the movie halfway through( I have the
feeling she had first gone to see Scooby Doo) with her
2 kids..they were maybe 4 and 5 years old. Three
minutes into the movie the kids were scared to death..
they were crying and screaming...one tried hiding
under
the seat the other was clinging to mom(or whoever the
lady was)sobbing...did the lady leave? No...not until
security came and got her...I would never take a child
that young to a movie like that...
SS and COS I wouldn't have a problem with...POA would
depend on the child...while I didn't find the
dementors
scary at all a young child might....
GOF..I would see first before taking in a young
child..

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
> I remember when 
> I was about, I don't know 12-13 years old, I rented
> a scary movie
> with an 18 years limit. I learnt my lesson. It
> wasn't a very good
> movie, but none the less I didn't do it again until
> I was about 15 I
> think.
> 
> Just some thoughts on the matter
> Pernille 


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From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Sat Jul 10 18:55:11 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:55:11 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <BD150025.1130%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccpe2f+45m6@eGroups.com>

Shame about David Bowie's heart surgery. He would have been a great 
Voldemort.




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Sat Jul 10 20:01:14 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:01:14 -0000
Subject: Ot-Geordie Accent
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Message-ID: <ccphua+esee@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Monica Coyne" 
<monica.coyne at t...> wrote:
> A Geordie is someone who is "Born within sight if the Tyne", the 
river
> that runs through places such as Newcastle and Gateshead.  I'm 
trying to
> think off famous people with Geordie accents but I'm struggling.  
The
> accent is very strong, more a dialect really, many of the words 
come
> from ancient Norse.  Inspector Morse's side kick Lewis was played 
by a
> Geordie in the TV series.  Many famous footballers: Alan Shearer, 
Chris
> Waddle and of course Paul "Gazza" Gascoigne.  Sting is a Geordie 
but
> doesn't't have much of an accent.
> 
> Monica

Could Filch be a Geordie? And Lupin, is he just the average Oxford 
don in accent? Unassuming, correct but not in your face about it?
J




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Sat Jul 10 20:46:13 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:46:13 -0000
Subject: Age limits for movies/partially OT)
In-Reply-To: <20040710173153.79799.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Barb <goalieracer at y...> wrote:
> It's a pity more parents don't take time to review a
> movie... Snip

> SS and COS I wouldn't have a problem with...POA would
> depend on the child...while I didn't find the
> dementors
> scary at all a young child might....
> GOF..I would see first before taking in a young
> child..
> 
>\> > Just some thoughts on the matter
> > Pernille 
> 
> 
> =====
> Elen sila lumenn omentielvo.  Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta 
e' ale'quen le.

Not to downplay the events of GOF, but couldn't things be done in a 
very suggestive yet restrained manner? If a character dies, would 
that automatically make it a PG-13 (or European equivalent)? I 
realize the graveyard scene is harrowing but again, couldn't it be 
done in such a way as to suggest suspense and fear without being 
overt? JKR's story is very good at that, building the suspense and 
suggesting things but not going into gory detail. If it must be PG-
13, it must. You can not argue with the events or water them down.
J




From goalieracer at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 03:29:21 2004
From: goalieracer at yahoo.com (Barb)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Age limits for movies/partially OT)
In-Reply-To: <ccpkil+rtnt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040711032921.35695.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com>

--- susanbones2003 <rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Barb
> <goalieracer at y...> wrote:
> > It's a pity more parents don't take time to review
> a
> > movie... Snip
> 
> > SS and COS I wouldn't have a problem with...POA
> would
> > depend on the child...while I didn't find the
> > dementors
> > scary at all a young child might....
> > GOF..I would see first before taking in a young
> > child..
> > 
> >\> > Just some thoughts on the matter
> > > Pernille 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > Elen sila lumenn omentielvo.  Aa' menle nauva
> calen ar' ta hwesta 
> e' ale'quen le.
> 
> Not to downplay the events of GOF, but couldn't
> things be done in a 
> very suggestive yet restrained manner? If a
> character dies, would 
> that automatically make it a PG-13 (or European
> equivalent)? I 
> realize the graveyard scene is harrowing but again,
> couldn't it be 
> done in such a way as to suggest suspense and fear
> without being 
> overt? JKR's story is very good at that, building
> the suspense and 
> suggesting things but not going into gory detail. If
> it must be PG-
> 13, it must. You can not argue with the events or
> water them down.

Whatever the rating is...is ok with me...It's not
Rowling that I am concerned about it's the director
and his interpretation.There is far to much in GOF
that cannot be left out without really messing up the
story.
I just think for very young kids..the parents need to
screen it first and then decide if there child can
handle it.
I don't think a death per se would cause a PG-13
rating.It would depend on how graphic it is. Even for
me there were a few scenes that made me turn my head..
esp the scene with slugs coming out of Ron's
mouth...yuk...but then again it is a part of the
book..
but I could have lived without seeing it  :-)
  As for the last comment...I D'ONT think it is
necessary to water down events...people just need to
use common sense in deciding what kids can see...
  Same things go for TV...I know a lot of people who
let their children (13yrs and under) watch the
Sopranos..If I had kids I would not let them watch
that
show..to much violence and sex for a child...and to an
extent for some adults...As much as I like the premise
of the show I stopped watching because of some of the
graphic violence.
Barb
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From tmarends at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 05:40:53 2004
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:40:53 -0000
Subject: musical
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "drcarole71" <drcarole71 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> If the books were made into musicals, which songs would be in them?
> Carole

Tourtured Soul  sung by Snape
I'm Free        sung by Harry
Into the Woods  sung by Harry, Hagrid, Hermione, Draco, Neville
Loathing        sung by Harry, Draco


OK, that's a start.

Tim




From nostrebor at runbox.com  Sun Jul 11 06:33:13 2004
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (nostrebor at runbox.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I Saw PoA! (Sirius' accent)
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When I was a kid, the wicked witch from Wizard of Oz gave me nightmares. My dd hasn't had any nightmare from the HP movies or books. Granted, she's had nightmares about other things, but not too many. I cannot watch horror flicks.
Jodi

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: I Saw PoA! (Sirius' accent)


>snip
however I'm surprised that not many seemed to think that the film was inappropirate for kids. In my time (the 1970s, mind) thanks to an extremely overactive imagination, I used to imagine ghosts and evil spirits around every corner. I wasn't able to sit through "Raiders of the Lost Ark" with my eyes open for the whole film until I was at least 13 and I would certainly not have been able to watch POA at the age of 10 (though I'm heartened to see the contingencies (flashlights, and the ubiquitous chocolate) taken by some to help their kids out). A bit off-topic but after pestering my parents to take me to see "Jaws" at the age of 8, their brilliant strategy was to go to the latest session with the delusion that I'd fall asleep and not see the film -it was spectacularly unsuccessful, though arguably "Jaws" was certainly not an appropriate film for an 8 year old.

>snip
 
Cheers!

Sara_ELL
(whose head is in danger of approaching Aunt Marge proportions on 
account of Valeries very kind words)




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Sun Jul 11 11:49:37 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:49:37 -0000
Subject: Age limits for movies/partially OT)
In-Reply-To: <20040711032921.35695.qmail@web14206.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Barb <goalieracer at y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Whatever the rating is...is ok with me...It's not
> Rowling that I am concerned about it's the director
> and his interpretation.There is far to much in GOF
> that cannot be left out without really messing up the
> story.
> I just think for very young kids..the parents need to
> screen it first and then decide if there child can
> handle it.
> I don't think a death per se would cause a PG-13
> rating.It would depend on how graphic it is. Even for
> me there were a few scenes that made me turn my head..
> esp the scene with slugs coming out of Ron's
> mouth...yuk...but then again it is a part of the
> book..
> but I could have lived without seeing it  :-)
>   As for the last comment...I D'ONT think it is
> necessary to water down events...people just need to
> use common sense in deciding what kids can see...
>   Same things go for TV...I know a lot of people who
> let their children (13yrs and under) watch the
> Sopranos..If I had kids I would not let them watch
> that
> show..to much violence and sex for a child...and to an
> extent for some adults...As much as I like the premise
> of the show I stopped watching because of some of the
> graphic violence.
> Barb

Hey,
I am with you on this. I don't think kids should necessarily see 
everything either. "The Sapranos?" My goodness, I don't think that's 
much of a show for anyone. Can you say "gratuitous violence?" No, I 
think I was just mainly worried that Harry is going to age out of 
his "kid" audience to some degree if the movies now have to be PG-
13. That label is so loaded. So many of those movies would have been 
R rated films 10 years ago. If Harry has to go PG-13, I hope it's 
because the film maker errs on the side of prudence. And again, I 
agree that the film maker has the ultimate challenge in this movie. 
How to do what he has to do without going too far. It will be very 
difficult for me to tell my kids they can't see a Harry Potter film 
if it comes out too graphic for kids. That's my principle concern.
Jennifer




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Sun Jul 11 14:21:37 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:21:37 -0000
Subject: Extended versions?
Message-ID: <ccridh+331n@eGroups.com>

I was just thinking about something. Now that the books get longer 
and longer, it will be even more difficult to make these movies 
without leaving out crucial story aspects. Wouldn't it be an idea to 
make extended versions of the movies when they come out on DVD? Like 
Peter Jackson did and does with Lord of the Rings? Put inn deleted 
scenes and stuff. I would buy it. 
OotF, at least my version, is on about 804 pages. My  LOTR version is 
on 1064. It is not that big a difference, and with LOTR they split it 
into three movies and still they needed the extended versions.

So what do you guys think?

Take Care
Pernille




From tekayjaye at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 14:25:59 2004
From: tekayjaye at yahoo.com (Tekay Jaye)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Age limits for movies
In-Reply-To: <BD15049F.1131%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040711142559.26698.qmail@web90005.mail.scd.yahoo.com>



Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
<snip>


But then again, how many parents realistically go preview a movie for
appropriateness prior to taking their kids??? You can't always judge a movie
by rating alone. Guess that's what reviews are for?


tekay now:

I do, now. I took my then 3 year old to see _Lilo and Stitch_ without previewing it, and I regretted it.

Now she is 6, and she has seen both HP1 and HP2, but not at the theater. We watched them at home on DVD with the remote securely in my hand. HP1 didn't frighten her, but the basilisk in HP2 scared her. I've already told her she isn't seeing HP3 any time in the near future. I saw it at the theater, and I think it will terrify her beyond what is reasonable.

But I saw lots of little kids at the theater and was rather concerned for them, but I couldn't say anything, you know?

tekay


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From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 14:47:21 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:47:21 -0000
Subject: Extended versions?
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I for one, shall be very disappointed if the version of POA that 
ends up on DVD in December of this year, isn't at least half an hour 
longer than what I saw in the cinemas last week. I'm all for the 
extended version/Director's cut/whatever - I consider the longer 
versions of the Lord of the Rings films to be much superior to the 
theatrical versions in many respects (but that may also be partially 
due to the extreme love and care that the director obviously had for 
the story).

Sara_ELL




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Sun Jul 11 15:02:31 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:02:31 -0000
Subject: Extended versions?
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
> I for one, shall be very disappointed if the version of POA that 
> ends up on DVD in December of this year, isn't at least half an 
hour 
> longer than what I saw in the cinemas last week. I'm all for the 
> extended version/Director's cut/whatever - I consider the longer 
> versions of the Lord of the Rings films to be much superior to the 
> theatrical versions in many respects (but that may also be 
partially 
> due to the extreme love and care that the director obviously had 
for 
> the story).
> 
> Sara_ELL

Could not agree with you more :D

Take Care
Pernille




From nostrebor at runbox.com  Sun Jul 11 17:23:11 2004
From: nostrebor at runbox.com (nostrebor at runbox.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:23:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Age limits for movies
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References: <BD15049F.1131%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
    <20040711142559.26698.qmail@web90005.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
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One time dd was at her dad's when I picked her up from work & she was
watching Shrek (he bought it on dvd). I didn't like the movie because of the
swearing in it.
Recently she asked me what it means when someone raises their middle finger.
One of the girls she knows from drama class (approx 12 year old) did that to
someone. I basically told her it was not nice, that it was rude, and an
immature way of expressing her feelings because she didn't know the words to
use.

One movie review I subscribe to is ScreenIt, www.screenit.com.

Here's what ScreenIt said for HPIII:
THIS WEEK'S NEW MOVIE REVIEWS FOR JUNE 4TH:

"HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN"
(2004) (Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson) (PG)
Adventure:  A young wizard (Radcliffe) must contend with news that a
murderer has escaped from prison and is coming after him.  The kids are
older and there's a new director behind the scene at Hogwarts in this third
installment of the wildly popular books about wizardry and such by author
J.K. Rowling.  There's a new visual look and feel to the film -- which has
both good and bad points depending on how you viewed the first
installments -- and it's decidedly more grown-up than the previous entries.
The tone and themes are more in tune with teen angst than the more childish
and whimsical shenanigans found in the earlier efforts.  The result is an
effort that occasionally feels at war with itself, as there are moments and
material straight from the first two films, along with the to-be-expected
return of characters and their rote interaction with each other. At other
times, however, the film feels completely new and fresh.  Visually appealing
(with terrific production values) but rather boring in the first half, the
film does get better as it progresses. Even so, the directorial dichotomy -- 
appeasing the fans with regurgitated moments and appealing to others with
the decidedly new and improved look and feel -- results in a mixed bag of
cinematic offerings.  Moodier, deeper and darker than its more whimsical and
adventurous predecessors, the film has its moments and makes one hope that
the transition over to the new approach will be complete next time around.
The PG rating comes from brief profanity (a few minor expletives) and
various scenes - often accompanied by ominous or suspenseful music - that
might be unsettling, suspenseful or downright frightening to kids.  That
includes characters seeing and interacting with various menacing looking
beings and monsters, close calls with menacing characters, supernatural
events and various locales that appear foreboding, dangerous or simply
scary.
(National Release)


Jodi



From gbannister10 at aol.com  Sun Jul 11 21:11:42 2004
From: gbannister10 at aol.com (Geoff Bannister)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:11:42 -0000
Subject: Mark Evans?
In-Reply-To: <BD152D38.1137%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ccsaef+gsvn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...>
> 
> Valerie,
> 
> Sorry - nothing to do with the films. In OotP, a child called "Mark
> Evans" appeared in the beginning. 

<snip>

> Sara_ELL :)
> 
Valerie:
> Thanks! I'll have to go back and re-read OotP. It's been awhile.
> And yes, you are right. HP fans definitely take things very very 
seriously!

Geoff:
The reference is just a short one. It's in a conversation between 
Dudley and Harry when the latter begins to tease his cousin about him 
being called "Big D" by the gang...

'"So who've you been beating up tonight?" asked Harry, his grin 
fading. "Another ten-year old? I know you did Mark Evans two nights 
ago - "
"He was asking for it," snarled Dudley.
"Oh yeah?"
"He cheeked me."'

(OOTP "Dudley Demented" p.17 UK edition)

It's a pity. I began to get a liking for little Mark before JKR 
kicked him into touch.




From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 11:29:46 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:29:46 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <BD13952A.110D%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
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> From: "pandrea100" <pandrea100 at h...>
> 
> I kind of don't want to see anyone as Voldemort.  Anyone they cast
> will water down the spooky image of evil nothingness I have in my
> head.  When he comes back he has this flat, snakey face.  What I
> think I would like best would be some sort of CGI thing - along the
> lines of how they did Gollum, if it could be as well done as that.
> In fact, they could even get Andy Serkis to again be the model for 
it
> (typecasting a fine actor, but I heard he's doing it again for King
> Kong so he probably doesn't mind).


> [from  Valerie]
> THAT'S IT! Andy Serkis in a Gollumesque (yet taller) GCI costume.
> Hey, HP3 cost way more to make than LOTR, so they should be able 
to hire the
> same awesome computer effects crew!


Griffin782002 now:
Well. This is my first post in this group. I tjink yhat Andy Serkis 
would be more appropriate, in my opinion, not as Voldemort but as 
Kreacher. I think Gollum is more similar to Kreacher.



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From plinker at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 11 22:38:28 2004
From: plinker at yahoo.com (Plinker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:38:28 -0000
Subject: GoF Movie
Message-ID: <ccsfh4+8fsf@eGroups.com>

I saw on Fox News Channel (bottom scroll) where talks between the 
movie producers and actors guild have stalled. This could possibly 
affect the production of, or the release of GoF. (I'm not sure if 
U.K. filmmakers would be affected).





From alison.williams at virgin.net  Sun Jul 11 22:53:18 2004
From: alison.williams at virgin.net (Alison Williams)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:53:18 +0100
Subject: Things films do better than books
In-Reply-To: <1089370092.574.66472.m12@yahoogroups.com>
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I'm one of those people who always prefers a book to a film.  I enjoy all
the extra room for character development, jokes, minor characters, red
herrings, exposition, detail etc.  But I do watch and enjoy the films, so I
must be getting something from them that I'm not getting from just
re-reading the books.  

One of the main things I've noticed is that I get a powerful visual reminder
from the films that this story is about growing up.  Of course I know that's
the case when I read the books, but the films really emphasise it for me.
The changes in people between the ages of 11,12,13 etc are clear to see but
not nearly so easy to explain in words, and even if there is a reference in
a book to someone being, say, taller, it is said once and then the story
moves on.  When I read the books I might pick up on slight changes in the
way characters talk or act, but when I watch the films the change from year
to year is much more striking and is right there clearly in every scene.  I
found it was a surprise when I saw CoS to see how much they'd all changed
and even more so in PoA.  

I'm sure there must be other things films do better than books, but that's
the one that really struck me.

Alison









From HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk  Sun Jul 11 23:39:46 2004
From: HPGroup at colinogilvie.co.uk (Colin O)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 00:39:46 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Things films do better than books
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Alison Williams wrote:

>I'm sure there must be other things films do better than books, but that's
>the one that really struck me.
>  
>
One thing I find the HP films do excellently is reflect what I think 
people look like, and places - although POA slightly contradicts this 
with Hogwarts changing and the Dementors.

-- 
Regards,

Colin






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 12 05:09:53 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:09:53 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <ccpe2f+45m6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD179560.1150%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at ec.rr.com>

Shame about David Bowie's heart surgery. He would have been a great
Voldemort.

[from Valerie]
Sorry...I'm not up on my music news...what happened to Bowie? I think of him
as too genteel and soft spoken for Voldy, but he's a good actor; he could
probably pull it off.




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 12 05:17:59 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:17:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Extended versions?
In-Reply-To: <ccridh+331n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD179747.1151%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>

I was just thinking about something. Now that the books get longer
and longer, it will be even more difficult to make these movies
without leaving out crucial story aspects. Wouldn't it be an idea to
make extended versions of the movies when they come out on DVD? Like
Peter Jackson did and does with Lord of the Rings? Put inn deleted
scenes and stuff. I would buy it.
OotF, at least my version, is on about 804 pages. My  LOTR version is
on 1064. It is not that big a difference, and with LOTR they split it
into three movies and still they needed the extended versions.

So what do you guys think?

Take Care
Pernille

[from Valerie]
I agree, that would be great and I certainly would buy it as well! However,
I think it's also a cost factor. I recall in one interview when Dan said it
took 2 weeks for him to get one scene down (in POA). Especially if it's a
very FX or CGI-laden scene, the director may opt to abbreviate the action.
My hope is that they just shoot a bunch of footage, then trim it down to
say, 3 hours, then release the deleted scenes on DVD. 



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 12 05:38:55 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:38:55 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Things films do better than books
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Message-ID: <BD179C2F.1153%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Alison Williams" <alison.williams at virgin.net>

One of the main things I've noticed is that I get a powerful visual reminder
from the films that this story is about growing up.  Of course I know that's
the case when I read the books, but the films really emphasise it for me.
The changes in people between the ages of 11,12,13 etc are clear to see but
not nearly so easy to explain in words, and even if there is a reference in
a book to someone being, say, taller, it is said once and then the story
moves on.  When I read the books I might pick up on slight changes in the
way characters talk or act, but when I watch the films the change from year
to year is much more striking and is right there clearly in every scene.  I
found it was a surprise when I saw CoS to see how much they'd all changed
and even more so in PoA.

[from Valerie]
Is it just me or does Harry look the same age in all the book illustrations
thus far? IMO there definitely is more of a visual maturity from film to
film. I like that. I remember how weird it was to see how Malfoy and Ron had
shot up, and Harry's voice had deepened, from SS to COS. That's why it's so
great that they are able to bring back so many of the characters. I really
feel a bond with them now; I'd hate to see them start to replace actors one
by one, like they do on soap operas! ;-/ Guess that is inevitable in the
event of contracts falling through, actors not being available, etc. 



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From tmarends at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 06:41:09 2004
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:41:09 -0000
Subject: Age limits for movies
In-Reply-To: <E1Bji2h-0004xS-J3@fetch.runbox.com>
Message-ID: <cctbq5+6e66@eGroups.com>

I, personally, like to read Yahoo's Movie Mom's review of a film 
before I take my 11y/r old daughter.  If anything is iffy, I'll see 
it alone first.  I took her to all three LOTR films, after reviewing 
them myself first... she loved them.  But, then, my daughter, having 
grown up with an actor father, is a little more privy to theater/film 
secrets that most kids aren't.  The only thing that really gets to my 
daughter is bugs.  She absolutely hated Aragog in HP2 and Shelob in 
ROFK... but it didn't stop her from seeing both films several times.

Tim

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, <nostrebor at r...> wrote:
> Here's what ScreenIt said for HPIII:
> THIS WEEK'S NEW MOVIE REVIEWS FOR JUNE 4TH:
> 
> "HARRY POTTER AND THE PRISONER OF AZKABAN"
> (2004) (Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson) (PG)
> Adventure:  A young wizard (Radcliffe) must contend with news that a
> murderer has escaped from prison and is coming after him.  The kids 
are
> older and there's a new director behind the scene at Hogwarts in 
this third
> installment of the wildly popular books about wizardry and such by 
author
> J.K. Rowling.  There's a new visual look and feel to the film -- 
which has
> both good and bad points depending on how you viewed the first
> installments -- and it's decidedly more grown-up than the previous 
entries.
> The tone and themes are more in tune with teen angst than the more 
childish
> and whimsical shenanigans found in the earlier efforts.  The result 
is an
> effort that occasionally feels at war with itself, as there are 
moments and
> material straight from the first two films, along with the to-be-
expected
> return of characters and their rote interaction with each other. At 
other
> times, however, the film feels completely new and fresh.  Visually 
appealing
> (with terrific production values) but rather boring in the first 
half, the
> film does get better as it progresses. Even so, the directorial 
dichotomy -- 
> appeasing the fans with regurgitated moments and appealing to 
others with
> the decidedly new and improved look and feel -- results in a mixed 
bag of
> cinematic offerings.  Moodier, deeper and darker than its more 
whimsical and
> adventurous predecessors, the film has its moments and makes one 
hope that
> the transition over to the new approach will be complete next time 
around.
> The PG rating comes from brief profanity (a few minor expletives) 
and
> various scenes - often accompanied by ominous or suspenseful music -
 that
> might be unsettling, suspenseful or downright frightening to kids.  
That
> includes characters seeing and interacting with various menacing 
looking
> beings and monsters, close calls with menacing characters, 
supernatural
> events and various locales that appear foreboding, dangerous or 
simply
> scary.
> (National Release)
> 
> 
> Jodi




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 12 10:47:34 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:47:34 -0000
Subject: The playground -  was," Mark Evans?"
In-Reply-To: <ccsaef+gsvn@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cctq86+2kng@eGroups.com>

Many thanks for the exerpt, Geoff. My boss borrowed my copy 
of "OotP" around Christmas time and has yet to return it, so that's 
my excuse for not knowing my HP backwards.

Reading this paragraph again reminded me about the very evocative 
scene at the start of the POA when Harry is lugging his suitcase 
onto the footpath in the dark after running away from home. The 
first thing that I thought when I saw the children's playground in 
the background (with the frosted roundabout creaking creepily and 
the swings mysteriously swinging) was that it MUST be where Harry 
fights the dementors in OotP. Did this occur to anyone else too?

Sara_ELL




From bethz1 at rcn.com  Mon Jul 12 23:00:54 2004
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in a Bottle)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:00:54 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:The playground -  was," Mark Evans?"
References: <cctq86+2kng@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004201c46864$1616fc80$6401a8c0@BethsComp>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>

> The first thing that I thought when I saw the children's playground in
> the background (with the frosted roundabout creaking creepily and
> the swings mysteriously swinging) was that it MUST be where Harry
> fights the dementors in OotP. Did this occur to anyone else too?

I thought that when I first saw POA as well.  I was watching the playground
equipment squeaking and everything and I kept thinking, 'isn't this supposed
to be in OotP?'

Beth





From twinslove at mindspring.com  Tue Jul 13 03:10:53 2004
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 22:10:53 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:The playground
References: <004201c46864$1616fc80$6401a8c0@BethsComp>
Message-ID: <40F352BD.000001.00540@TWINKIES>

 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Date: 07/12/04 18:01:39
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:The playground - was," Mark Evans?"
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>

> The first thing that I thought when I saw the children's playground in
> the background (with the frosted roundabout creaking creepily and
> the swings mysteriously swinging) was that it MUST be where Harry
> fights the dementors in OotP. Did this occur to anyone else too?>>

I thought about the park in OotP too, but I thought of this as to where
Harry
will spy his cousin, Dudley, and gang walking through the park on their
way home.  He didn't fight the dementors at the park, did he?  I thought
it was in an alley way between one street and the other street.

Kimberly

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From brokerageresource at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 02:47:04 2004
From: brokerageresource at yahoo.com (brokerageresource)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:47:04 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <20040630184917.72346.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccvif8+s7qn@eGroups.com>

Claire <dis_aliter_visum at y...> wrote:
> > Wow! That IS exciting! I'm sure it's someone new. 
> > Or could it be Malfoy? Maybe he is really a
> > halfling. Wouldn't that be a kick 
> > in Mr. Snooty's pants?!! I still keep hoping they'll
> > develop his character more.


What about Hagrid?  Half Robbie Coltrane half forced perspective


I was thinking that calling a character a "half blood" and
"prince" and NOT having it refer to Harry or Voldemort might mean 
that the character isn't a human wizard at all.

"brokerageresource" 




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Tue Jul 13 10:15:12 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:15:12 -0000
Subject: 6th book.
In-Reply-To: <cc9kqc+25aj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd0cng+lji7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Haggridd" <jkusalavagemd at y...> 
wrote:

> Voldemort refers to Dumbledore as protector of "commoners". which I 
> find interesting in the context of princes, half-blood or otherwise.
> 
> Haggridd

I kind of think its to obvious if its Dombledore. I agree with 
whoever mentioned Hagrid. Although that too is a bit obvious. And it 
can't be Tom Riddle, because he is Voldemort. 
I think Rowling will use a supporting character. Not one of the main 
ones. Or like someone else said someone we have just heard about.
It's been some time since I finished OotF now so I can't really 
remember the details. Guess I have to read it again.

Take Care
Pernille




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul 13 15:15:27 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:15:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:The playground -  was," Mark Evans?"
Message-ID: <20040713151528.IHKV9273.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

> From: "Ms. Found in a Bottle" <bethz1 at rcn.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at yahoo.com>

> The first thing that I thought when I saw the children's playground in
> the background (with the frosted roundabout creaking creepily and
> the swings mysteriously swinging) was that it MUST be where Harry
> fights the dementors in OotP. Did this occur to anyone else too?

I thought that when I first saw POA as well.? I was watching the playground
equipment squeaking and everything and I kept thinking, 'isn't this supposed
to be in OotP?'

Beth

[from Valerie]
Refresh my memory. Is that the scene where Harry saves Dudley? Was there a 
playground involved?



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From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 13 16:47:23 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:47:23 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <BD179560.1150%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cd13mr+tj5u@eGroups.com>


> From: "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at e...>
> 
> Shame about David Bowie's heart surgery. He would have been a great
> Voldemort.


> [from Valerie]
> Sorry...I'm not up on my music news...what happened to Bowie? I 
think of him
> as too genteel and soft spoken for Voldy, but he's a good actor; 
he could
> probably pull it off.


Griffin782002 now:

Well, this is mainly a joke. Have you followed the matches in the 
recent Euro 2004 football/soccer cup; If you did, what about that 
Italian bald referee? He is tall and his face looks quite scary. I 
can't spell his name, but he could make a good canditate, although I 
doubt J.K.R. would approve Voldemort speaking with an Italian 
accent. :-)))))
Now something serious. I have heard about various rumours. I think 
John Malcovich could be very good in this role. He quite experienced 
in playing the bad guy.


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From ginamiller at jis.nashville.org  Tue Jul 13 18:01:27 2004
From: ginamiller at jis.nashville.org (Miller, Gina (JIS))
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:01:27 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
Message-ID: <D78EC74BB0600241A3EE06FA8E0FEA9F049A0807@jismsg01.jis.nashville.org>

*         > From: "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at e...>
> 
> Shame about David Bowie's heart surgery. He would have been a great
> Voldemort.

> [from Valerie]
> I think of him as too genteel and soft spoken for Voldy, but he's a good
actor; 
he couldprobably pull it off.



Gina: 
*             Well he did a great job as the bad guy (Goblin King) in
labyrinth. He did not actually kill anyone, but he did scare the heck out of
Hoggle or whatever his name was. I know that was a much more lighthearted
movie but I love it! I have to agree that David Bowie could perhaps played
LV or if not maybe another DE. 
*         Gina




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From bethz1 at rcn.com  Wed Jul 14 00:56:22 2004
From: bethz1 at rcn.com (Ms. Found in a Bottle)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:56:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:The playground -  was," Mark Evans?"
References: <20040713151528.IHKV9273.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002001c4693d$617278b0$6401a8c0@BethsComp>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Valerie Flowe" <valerie.flowe at verizon.net>
> From: "Ms. Found in a Bottle" <bethz1 at rcn.com>
>I thought that when I first saw POA as well. I was watching the playground
>equipment squeaking and everything and I kept thinking, 'isn't this
supposed
>to be in OotP?'
>Beth

[from Valerie]
Refresh my memory. Is that the scene where Harry saves Dudley? Was there a
playground involved?

[from Beth]
Yes, that is the scene where Harry saves Dudley.  Honestly, I don't really
remember
if there was a playground, because I've only read OotP once when it first
came out,
but for some reason that scene just reminded me of that part of the that
book...I'm just
glad I wasn't the only one.  :-)





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 14 04:21:45 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:21:45 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cd13mr+tj5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD1A2D19.116E%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "griffin782002" <griffin782002 at yahoo.com>
<snip>
I have heard about various rumours. I think
John Malcovich could be very good in this role. He quite experienced
in playing the bad guy.


[from Valerie]
This rumor was going around a couple of months ago. But apparently only
Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John Malkovich is American.
Though he is outstanding in everything I've ever seen him in.
Question: What do you think of all the Americans that were in the LOTR
films? Some of them had better accents than others (Elijah, Viggo,
Wormtongue, Liv did nice jobs; Sean Astin's accent was so-so. And I only saw
previews of Troy, but Brad Pitt's British accent sounded DREADFUL! So I
guess it's better to get an actor that speaks in the native tongue that the
film requires. 


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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Wed Jul 14 09:01:56 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:01:56 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cd13mr+tj5u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd2sq4+ecu8@eGroups.com>


> Griffin782002 now:
> 
> Well, this is mainly a joke. Have you followed the matches in the 
> recent Euro 2004 football/soccer cup; If you did, what about that 
> Italian bald referee? He is tall and his face looks quite scary. I 
> can't spell his name, but he could make a good canditate, although 
I 
> doubt J.K.R. would approve Voldemort speaking with an Italian 
> accent. :-)))))

LOL. Well you're right, Pierluigi Collina could have done a good 
job. :D At least he looks the part. :D


> Now something serious. I have heard about various rumours. I think 
> John Malcovich could be very good in this role. He quite 
experienced 
> in playing the bad guy.
> 

You know, John Malcovich scares the hell out of me, even when he's on 
talk shows and stuff. I cant really put my finger on it, but there is 
just something about him that I find really scary. *shivers*

Take Care
Pernille




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Wed Jul 14 09:21:37 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:21:37 -0000
Subject: OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <BD1A2D19.116E%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cd2tv1+r96r@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> [from Valerie]
> This rumor was going around a couple of months ago. But apparently 
> only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John Malkovich 
> is American.
> Though he is outstanding in everything I've ever seen him in.
> Question: What do you think of all the Americans that were in the   
> LOTR films? Some of them had better accents than others (Elijah,    
> Viggo,Wormtongue, Liv did nice jobs; Sean Astin's accent was so-so. 

You know, I think most of the American actors and actresses pulled it 
off. I guess because I'm not British I didn't really notice most of 
the time. But you're right Sean Astin did drop in a lot of American 
RRRRRRRRs. But I think Brad Dourif (Wormtounge), really did a good 
job. While he was filming he actully spoke British outside the set as 
well. He did not go back to his American accent until he had shot the 
last scene he was going to be in. (Most big LOTR-movies fans know 
this of course):D

> And I only saw previews of Troy, but Brad Pitt's British accent    
> sounded DREADFUL! So I guess it's better to get an actor that      
> speaks in the native tongue that the film requires. 

OMG. that movie was dreadful! Brad Pitt should not have been cast in 
that part! The only two actors I think did their parts well were Sean 
Bean and Eric Bana. In my eyes the rest of it was, well, crap.

Take Care
Pernille 




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Wed Jul 14 15:18:38 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:18:38 -0000
Subject: Casting limits/UK only?????
Message-ID: <cd3ise+k16@eGroups.com>

I just read a post where someone thought it was a rumor that only UK 
actors would be cast in HP movies. I don't know all the scoop on 
things but it has always been my impression that this was true, that 
only UK actors could be cast in HP roles, this being JKR's desire. 
Could someone more knowledgeable than me straighten this out? You 
know that way in which you know something but couldn't put your 
finger on the proof if your life depended on it? That's what's 
happening to me. And if this is wrong, does someone have a source?
Jennifer




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Wed Jul 14 17:55:00 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:55:00 -0000
Subject: OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cd2tv1+r96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd3s1k+qs3b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > [from Valerie]
> > This rumor was going around a couple of months ago. But 
apparently 
> > only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John 
Malkovich 
> > is American. 

Please someone clear this up for me. It is my impression and I do 
not know exactly how I got it, that only Brits, or UK citizens were 
eligible for parts in the movie. As I said, I don't remember where I 
got this impression. If you know or know differently, please 
staighten this out. 
Jennifer




From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Wed Jul 14 18:29:38 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:29:38 -0000
Subject: All British Cast reference
In-Reply-To: <cd3s1k+qs3b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd3u2i+c6dm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> 
wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> > <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > > [from Valerie]
> > > This rumor was going around a couple of months ago. But 
> apparently 
> > > only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John 
> Malkovich 
\
Hi guys,
Just thought I'd give it a try to find some evidence that HP is 
always to have an all-British cast. I found this at a website called 

IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/trivia) (Sorry I don't 
know how to do that linking thing...)

"According to rumors that circulated the Internet, both Rowan 
Atkinson and John Malkovich were considered for the role of Lord 
Voldemort. Both were proven to be untrue; Malkovich is, of course, 
an American, and doesn't meet the "all-British-cast" requirement."

Now this doesn't get us to who said there was an all-British cast 
requirement but it's getting closer. I'll keep looking.

Sorry I don't know how to do 





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 14 18:47:56 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:47:56 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] All British Cast reference
In-Reply-To: <cd3u2i+c6dm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <006001c469d3$14f457b0$0400a8c0@pensive>

I don't know the reference at all, but I read, way back before Harry had
even been cast for the first movie, that JKR insisted on an all British
cast.  I read it in an article somewhere, like the Seattle times or
something.  I've heard this repeated over and over.  I don't have a problem
with this.  Her books are about Brits and take place in the UK.  why not
have an all British cast?  They've all been great so far.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: susanbones2003 [mailto:rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:30 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] All British Cast reference


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> 
wrote:
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
> > <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > > [from Valerie]
> > > This rumor was going around a couple of months ago. But 
> apparently 
> > > only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John 
> Malkovich 
\
Hi guys,
Just thought I'd give it a try to find some evidence that HP is 
always to have an all-British cast. I found this at a website called 

IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/trivia) (Sorry I don't 
know how to do that linking thing...)

"According to rumors that circulated the Internet, both Rowan 
Atkinson and John Malkovich were considered for the role of Lord 
Voldemort. Both were proven to be untrue; Malkovich is, of course, 
an American, and doesn't meet the "all-British-cast" requirement."

Now this doesn't get us to who said there was an all-British cast 
requirement but it's getting closer. I'll keep looking.

Sorry I don't know how to do 





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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 19:07:02 2004
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
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Valerie Flowe wrote:
> > This rumor [Malkovich as LV]was going around a couple of months ago. But apparently only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed in HP films! John Malkovich is American. 


susanbones2003 wrote:
Please someone clear this up for me. It is my impression and I do not know exactly how I got it, that only Brits, or UK citizens were eligible for parts in the movie. As I said, I don't remember where I got this impression. If you know or know differently, please staighten this out. 
Jennifer


akh: I read an interview with David Heyman, the producer, that stated one of the negotiating points with JK Rowling in getting the movie rights was that they would not hire American actors for the British roles.  They seem to have gone one step further, in hiring mainly nationality-appropriate actors for the foreigners, too.  The one exception appears to be Madame Maxime, but she's still British (isn't she?)

In the interview on the CoS DVD, Rowling was apparently not too pleased that they'd hired an American to write the screenplay, although she has since reconciled herself to Steve Kloves.  I don't doubt she still has considerable clout on the global issues (Americans cast as Brits), even if she's decided to step back on the director's decisions.

akh 


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From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 19:24:51 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:24:51 -0000
Subject: OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
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> Valerie Flowe wrote:
> > > This rumor [Malkovich as LV]was going around a couple of 
months ago. But apparently only Brits, Irish and Scots are allowed 
in HP films! John Malkovich is American. 



Now Griffin782002:
I know that John Malkovich is American. But I think he is quite good 
in adapting himself in a character; like Gary Oldman. Have you 
watched 'Jonhy English? I think he has a great French accent.

Griffin782002
 
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From scully931 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 19:41:39 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:41:39 -0000
Subject: Why aren't pictures....
Message-ID: <cd429j+gvpm@eGroups.com>

Does anyone know specifically why you aren't allowed to take 
pictures inside the *lobby* of a movie theater? I know you aren't in 
casinos, etc. for security reasons. A huge group of us went to see 
POA on opening day and were taking house pictures around the Diagon 
Alley lampost. One of the managers came over and told us we weren't 
allowed. We were against a curtain, so it's not like we were getting 
anything crucial. He said he didn't know why, that's just what he 
was told. Luckily, we managed to get all the pictures, including a 
huge group picture in before they came over. But, now I'm just 
curious. Thanks if anyone knows!

~Deborah




From dzny72 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 14 15:42:00 2004
From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:42:00 -0000
Subject: casting for Voldemort
Message-ID: <cd3k88+ifnr@eGroups.com>

My first post, so excuse my "rookie"-ness; I've been just reading for 
quite some time. . .I just read that someone suggested John Malkovich 
for Voldemort--I love it!!!  I can easily see him in that role.  He 
plays evil so well.





From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Wed Jul 14 22:34:59 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:34:59 -0000
Subject: casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cd3k88+ifnr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd4cej+ohq5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dzny72" <dzny72 at y...> wrote:
> My first post, so excuse my "rookie"-ness; I've been just reading 
for 
> quite some time. . .I just read that someone suggested John 
Malkovich 
> for Voldemort--I love it!!!  I can easily see him in that role.  
He 
> plays evil so well.

Sorry to disappoint you but according to IMDb, John Malkovich was a 
false rumor. Cast has to be British.
Jennifer




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 02:40:44 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:40:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <cd2tv1+r96r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040715024044.73215.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
> OMG. that movie was dreadful! Brad Pitt should not
> have been cast in 
> that part! The only two actors I think did their
> parts well were Sean 
> Bean and Eric Bana. In my eyes the rest of it was,
> well, crap.

I agree about how good Sean and Eric were, but I have
to stand up for Brad (something I never thought I'd do
- I'm not a huge fan of his). I thought he was quite
good as Achilles - he had the arrogance down pat, and
the accent didn't bother me at all. He wasn't playing
a Brit so he shouldn't have had a British accent - I
didn't think it sounded remotely British, nor should
it have. And how do we know what an ancient Greek
would have sounded like? (For one thing, they wouldn't
have been speaking English!) I think sometimes the
concern about perfect accents can go a bit far.

Of course, it all depends on the character and the
time period. Kevin Costner set the standard for
horrific accents in "Robin Hood" and in the case of
that role there was no excuse for not having cast a
Brit. Same with HP - the characters require the
appropriate accents.

Just my opinion, Lanthiriel


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 15 02:42:42 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
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Message-ID: <20040715024242.59398.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
> You know, John Malcovich scares the hell out of me,
> even when he's on 
> talk shows and stuff. I cant really put my finger on
> it, but there is 
> just something about him that I find really scary.
> *shivers*

John is spooky, but in my fantasy HP world Voldemort
would be played by my idea of the King of Scary -
Christopher Walken.

Lanthiriel


		
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 15 02:50:33 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:50:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040715024044.73215.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c46a16$82b96770$0400a8c0@pensive>

I agree. Actually, I loved Troy, and I thought Brad Pit was wonderful as
Achilles.  and I've never cared much for his acting in the past.  but he
brought that conflicted character to life for me.  I thought all the acting
was great in the movie.  But this is about HP.

Anyway, sometimes, accent doesn't matter.  The most famous case of this I
can think of is the part of Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind.  Clark Gable
refused to put on a fake southern accent, and he was so Rhett, nobody missed
the accent.  However, I can't imagine Harry Potter movies with out every
kind of British voice imaginable.  I'd dislike having an American doing any
of the characters, and I'm a proud American.  But most of all, they are
JKR'S  stories, and if she wants British actors, that is her right.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Lanthiriel S [mailto:isilvalacirca at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:41 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort


--- Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
> OMG. that movie was dreadful! Brad Pitt should not
> have been cast in 
> that part! The only two actors I think did their
> parts well were Sean 
> Bean and Eric Bana. In my eyes the rest of it was,
> well, crap.

I agree about how good Sean and Eric were, but I have
to stand up for Brad (something I never thought I'd do
- I'm not a huge fan of his). I thought he was quite
good as Achilles - he had the arrogance down pat, and
the accent didn't bother me at all. He wasn't playing
a Brit so he shouldn't have had a British accent - I
didn't think it sounded remotely British, nor should
it have. And how do we know what an ancient Greek
would have sounded like? (For one thing, they wouldn't
have been speaking English!) I think sometimes the
concern about perfect accents can go a bit far.

Of course, it all depends on the character and the
time period. Kevin Costner set the standard for
horrific accents in "Robin Hood" and in the case of
that role there was no excuse for not having cast a
Brit. Same with HP - the characters require the
appropriate accents.

Just my opinion, Lanthiriel


		
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Thu Jul 15 03:32:53 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
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Lanthiriel S said:

> Of course, it all depends on the character and the
> time period. Kevin Costner set the standard for
> horrific accents in "Robin Hood" and in the case of
> that role there was no excuse for not having cast a
> Brit. Same with HP - the characters require the
> appropriate accents.

You've reminded me of the spoof on Robin Hood... hm, Men in Tights?  Cary
Elwes comments 'unlike other Robin Hoods, I can speak with an English
accent'.

I still am amused by that Harry Potter icon that has 'Hello, my name is
Harry Potter. You kill my father, prepare to die'.

Yeah, pick on Elwes' movies night.

Dina

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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 15 05:31:49 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:31:49 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents. Was: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040715024044.73215.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD1B8F05.119A%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at yahoo.com>

I agree about how good Sean and Eric were, but I have
to stand up for Brad (something I never thought I'd do
- I'm not a huge fan of his). I thought he was quite
good as Achilles - he had the arrogance down pat, and
the accent didn't bother me at all. He wasn't playing
a Brit so he shouldn't have had a British accent - I
didn't think it sounded remotely British, nor should
it have. And how do we know what an ancient Greek
would have sounded like? (For one thing, they wouldn't
have been speaking English!) I think sometimes the
concern about perfect accents can go a bit far.

Of course, it all depends on the character and the
time period. Kevin Costner set the standard for
horrific accents in "Robin Hood" and in the case of
that role there was no excuse for not having cast a
Brit. Same with HP - the characters require the
appropriate accents.

Just my opinion, Lanthiriel

[from Valerie]
Oh yeah, Costner is another one! I cringe at his attempts at any accent,
though I still like him a lot. And from what I hear, most people in the Troy
audience were too busy staring at Brad's glistening bod to care either way
about his accent! Now, to me he just looks too darn 21st century to play a
period piece. 


           
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 15 05:36:40 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:36:40 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, American accents.
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Again, I am straying from HP, but I thought it a bit bizarre that everyone
in the new Peter Pan movie, except Peter himself, was British. Though he was
an adorable l'il actor, so I didn't mind. Plus, isn't he some sort of
mythical creature, anyhow? Adored Lucius Malfoy as Captain Hook! Loved the
role as Dad and Hook.  (to bring things back around to HP!  ;-D 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 15 13:29:29 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:29:29 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040715024242.59398.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD1BFEF8.11A5%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at yahoo.com>

John is spooky, but in my fantasy HP world Voldemort
would be played by my idea of the King of Scary -
Christopher Walken.

Lanthiriel

[from Valerie]
yes, yes, YES! I can definitely see that! He's such an awesome actor, I'm
sure he could pull off the Brit accent, but I guess they may not want to
open up that Pandora's box for future non-brits to act in HP. Hmmmmm...no
word yet on any of the HP sites on who they have in mind? If they shoot that
last, as it appears in the book, guess they have plenty of time to search.



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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 15 15:10:06 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:10:06 -0000
Subject: Casting for Voldemort
In-Reply-To: <20040715024242.59398.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cd66oe+iha1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at y...> 
wrote:

> John is spooky, but in my fantasy HP world Voldemort
> would be played by my idea of the King of Scary -
> Christopher Walken.
> 
> Lanthiriel

Christopher Walken is one of my favourite scary guy/bad guy actors, 
well apart from Christopher Lee. (Love his voice!) 
Apart from the all Brit problem, I think Walken could do Voldemort 
really well. If you imagine him with a shaved head, he looks very 
much like the animated face in SS/PS. 
(*Hmm, why didn't I think of him?*)
But once again I have to say that Bill Nighy, is still my favourite 
British candidate.

P.S.: Love Christopher Walken, "Plot with a view". The movie itself 
is so so, but his part in it is hilarious.




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 15 15:29:02 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:29:02 -0000
Subject: OT, Troy. Was:  American accents.
In-Reply-To: <BD1B8F05.119A%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cd67ru+cnq2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:

> And from what I hear, most people in the Troy
> audience were too busy staring at Brad's glistening bod to care    
> either way about his accent! Now, to me he just looks too darn 21st 
> century to play a period piece. 

That's what I think as well. I wasn't talking about his accent. I 
just don't think he was the right actor for that part. I just kept 
thinking Brad Pitt instead of Achilles. 
I mean if you go to a movie to see gorgeous people, this the movie. I 
mean it's a jackpot, (for women and gay guys anyway). You have Brad 
Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom and Sean Bean in one movie for god's 
sakes. Before I saw it I used to make this joke to my friends that 
all the women that came to see it where given buckets for all the 
drool. :D
But if the movie isn't good, the droolable bods aren't enough for me. 
I kind of had the feeling like I was watching a soap opera that had 
used a lot of money on sets and costumes.

Well those are my thoughts on the matter
Pernille 




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 15 16:14:54 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:14:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, Troy. Was:  American accents.
In-Reply-To: <cd67ru+cnq2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007e01c46a86$e0868250$0400a8c0@pensive>

Funny, and please elves, don't kill me yet, but I am blind, so I'm not one
bit impressed by a handsome actor.  and the sighted friend I went with has
never liked brad Pit and has avoided his movies.  maybe, because we weren't
paying attention to who the actors were, but were far more interested in the
characters they portrayed, we liked it very much and have seen it several
times.  We really liked the conflicted character of Achilles, and the honor
and loyalty of hector, that will inevitably lead him to have to make the
decisions he does.  the least interesting of all was Orlando as Paris, but
even he grew a little as the story progressed.

And to try to fit this in with Harry, I think that the complex characters,
such as Snape, Sirius, they are interesting in both the books and movies,
because their motives are mixed and unclear and they are so very good and
bad both.  I suppose that's why I liked Achilles, because he wasn't all bad
and arrogant.  it made me wonder why and what he would do next.  As I don't
like Snape, but he is fascinating because there's a reason he's trusted by
Dumbledore.

sherry




-----Original Message-----
From: Pernille [mailto:bolle17 at frisurf.no] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:29 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, Troy. Was: American accents.


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:

> And from what I hear, most people in the Troy
> audience were too busy staring at Brad's glistening bod to care    
> either way about his accent! Now, to me he just looks too darn 21st 
> century to play a period piece. 

That's what I think as well. I wasn't talking about his accent. I 
just don't think he was the right actor for that part. I just kept 
thinking Brad Pitt instead of Achilles. 
I mean if you go to a movie to see gorgeous people, this the movie. I 
mean it's a jackpot, (for women and gay guys anyway). You have Brad 
Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom and Sean Bean in one movie for god's 
sakes. Before I saw it I used to make this joke to my friends that 
all the women that came to see it where given buckets for all the 
drool. :D
But if the movie isn't good, the droolable bods aren't enough for me. 
I kind of had the feeling like I was watching a soap opera that had 
used a lot of money on sets and costumes.

Well those are my thoughts on the matter
Pernille 




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From amani at atlanticbb.net  Thu Jul 15 18:35:17 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:35:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, Troy. Was:  American accents.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Pernille 
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT, Troy. Was: American accents.


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:

> And from what I hear, most people in the Troy
> audience were too busy staring at Brad's glistening bod to care    
> either way about his accent! Now, to me he just looks too darn 21st 
> century to play a period piece. 

Pernille:
That's what I think as well. I wasn't talking about his accent. I 
just don't think he was the right actor for that part. I just kept 
thinking Brad Pitt instead of Achilles. 

Taryn:
Ditto on that. There are just some American actors that are too entirely American to do foreign character, IMO. Robert Redford (who I like quite a bit more than Brad Pitt any day of the week) is one of those in my mind that's just SO entirely American that I could never see him play someone outside of America. Brad Pitt is another person who just screams out modern-day American to me. There was no way that movie could convince me he was Greek.

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From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu Jul 15 18:36:03 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:36:03 -0000
Subject: Some people have been noticing
Message-ID: <cd6iqj+jal3@eGroups.com>

Some people have been noticing just how good an actor Daniel 
Radcliffe has become!
This little article appeared on the fabulous fan site
http://www.danradcliffe.com

In this week's Honolulu Weekly, there was a review of Conversations 
(it's like Inside the Actors' Studio, sponsored by the Screen 
Actors' Guild) at the Ernst Lab Theatre at the University of Hawaii-
Manoa. Actor Richard Chamberlain had very high praise, and well 
deserved, for Dan:

Richard Chamberlain on Daniel Radcliffe in Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner of Azkaban: 

"He was so centered...he had found a place of such extraordinary 
knowledge of himself, such amazing honesty. As a person, I had lived 
outside myself for so long, trying to please everybody, trying to 
make nice friends and manipulate the world to love me...and [Daniel 
Radcliffe] had this real integrity...I'm sure he would have no idea 
what I'm talking about."






From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu  Thu Jul 15 20:07:45 2004
From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:07:45 -0000
Subject: Some people have been noticing
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at s...> 
wrote:
> Snipping here :
 Actor Richard Chamberlain had very high praise, and well 
> deserved, for Dan:
> 
> Richard Chamberlain on Daniel Radcliffe in Harry Potter and the 
> Prisoner of Azkaban: 
> 
> "He was so centered...he had found a place of such extraordinary 
> knowledge of himself, such amazing honesty. As a person, I had 
lived > outside myself for so long, trying to please everybody, 
trying to > make nice friends and manipulate the world to love 
me...and [Daniel > Radcliffe] had this real integrity...I'm sure he 
would have no idea > what I'm talking about."

Wow, what wonderful thing for someone to say about you! Dan deserves 
every bit of it. He impressed me with how he inhabited Harry's 
person. He looked physically different when he was "Harry" and when 
he was at the premier and just being Dan. That has always impressed 
me with the best actors, that they disappear into character. I think 
people underestimated what it takes to play HP and thought it was 
not much of a stretch but you can see in interviews how much thought 
and energy Dan has put into finding out who Harry is from the inside 
out. I really can't wait to see what he does as he grows older. I 
can't wait for him to be known for other challenging roles. It's 
been great fun to watch his development and know that the faith that 
David Heyman and Chris Columbus had in him wasn't for naught.
Jennifer




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 15 20:55:20 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:55:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Is Snape trustworthy?
Message-ID: <20040715205520.ILQV3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>

As I don't like Snape, but he is fascinating because there's a reason he's 
trusted by
Dumbledore.

sherry

[from Valerie]
Yes, and what, pray tell, IS that reason? I keep waiting for JKR to enlighten 
me, but so far, nothing. I still think he will factor prominently in helping to 
defeat Voldemort and save Harry's life in the end. I'm becoming very interested 
in the idea of a prequel with young Sirius, James, Lily, Peter, Remus, Severus 
and Lucius. I've been reading some of the HP Fanfic on this subject...very 
interesting theories.



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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 15 20:59:42 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:59:42 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Is Snape trustworthy?
In-Reply-To: <20040715205520.ILQV3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00cc01c46aae$aaba8220$0400a8c0@pensive>

Yes, in fact, i've become more fascinated with the marauders and their
generation than I am with Harry and his.  Ok, not quite, of course, I still
want to know what happens to Harry and company.  But what I want most is to
know all about James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape.  I'd rather have a book
about them than a book about what happens to Harry and company after the
original seven books ends.

sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Flowe [mailto:valerie.flowe at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:55 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Is Snape trustworthy?


From: "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at earthlink.net>

As I don't like Snape, but he is fascinating because there's a reason he's 
trusted by
Dumbledore.

sherry

[from Valerie]
Yes, and what, pray tell, IS that reason? I keep waiting for JKR to
enlighten 
me, but so far, nothing. I still think he will factor prominently in helping
to 
defeat Voldemort and save Harry's life in the end. I'm becoming very
interested 
in the idea of a prequel with young Sirius, James, Lily, Peter, Remus,
Severus 
and Lucius. I've been reading some of the HP Fanfic on this subject...very 
interesting theories.



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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 15 22:39:18 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:39:18 -0000
Subject: Some people have been noticing
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rdas at f...> 
wrote:

> Wow, what wonderful thing for someone to say about you! Dan 
deserves 
> every bit of it. He impressed me with how he inhabited Harry's 
> person. He looked physically different when he was "Harry" and when 
> he was at the premier and just being Dan. That has always impressed 
> me with the best actors, that they disappear into character. I 
think 
> people underestimated what it takes to play HP and thought it was 
> not much of a stretch but you can see in interviews how much 
thought 
> and energy Dan has put into finding out who Harry is from the 
inside 
> out. I really can't wait to see what he does as he grows older. I 
> can't wait for him to be known for other challenging roles. It's 
> been great fun to watch his development and know that the faith 
that 
> David Heyman and Chris Columbus had in him wasn't for naught.

I must say that I was not impressed by his acting skills in SS/PS. He 
was very young, but on the other hand I thought Emma Watson and 
Rupert Grint did a great job. Like someone has mentioned earlier, he 
didn't have any sense of timing among other things. With that all 
said, I was really impressed by his skills in PoA. He has grown so 
much as an actor. The other two have become better as well by the way.
Now about the future. Haven't there been rumours that Dan has
been thinking of leaving the project? 
And another thing, I'm kind of worried that even though the series 
have given him a lot of publicity, it might be the ruin of his future 
carrier. "Daniel Radcliffe? Isn't he the one that played Harry 
Potter" I'm afraid that's what it's going to be like for him in the 
future.

But on the other hand, arguing with myself, the same thing has 
happened to Elijah Wood. I mean how many doesn't associate him
with 
Frodo now? He has had a lot of movie projects after LOTR. 

I don't know, I'm just putting down thoughts here
Pernille




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 15 23:01:12 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:01:12 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Is Snape trustworthy?
In-Reply-To: <20040715205520.ILQV3317.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cd72bo+i791@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:

> [from Valerie]
> Yes, and what, pray tell, IS that reason? I keep waiting for JKR to 
> enlighten me, but so far, nothing. I still think he will factor     
> prominently in helping to defeat Voldemort and save Harry's life in 
> the end. 

I have been waiting for that too. He always gives you a reason not to 
trust or like him and then a little voice in the back of your mind 
reminds you that Dombledore trusts him for some reason. I, same as 
you, think he will be lurking around and his secret remain hidden, 
until it really becomes important to the story. Unhappily I don't 
think it will until the 7th book. :( 


>I'm becoming very interested in the idea of a prequel with young    
> Sirius, James, Lily, Peter, Remus, Severus and Lucius. 

I really want to know more about James, Remus and Sirius vs. 
Snape vs. Lily. Maybe it's me not remembering well, but did J.K. 
mention Lucius Malfoy in the back flash/memory scene in OotP? If so 
could someone refresh my memory? 

Take Care
Pernille




From ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jul 15 23:23:50 2004
From: ladyramkin2000 at yahoo.co.uk (ladyramkin2000)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:23:50 -0000
Subject: Casting limits/UK only?????
Message-ID: <cd73m6+10thk@eGroups.com>

Speaking as an Englishwoman, I would be quite happy for good American 
actors to be cast if their English accents were as good as the 
Americans in LOTR.  Elijah Wood, especially, apart from the very 
occasional slip, I could have sworn was English.  I would really 
liketo see Kathy Bates as Umbridge - I'm sure she could do an English 
accent with the best of them.  Still, JKR's books, JKR's decision.

Sylvia




From monica.coyne at tesco.net  Fri Jul 16 00:15:28 2004
From: monica.coyne at tesco.net (Monica Coyne)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:15:28 +0100
Subject: All British cast?/ Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <1089905313.1545.12587.m12@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002101c46ac9$ff88e970$152aa8c0@XPWORKSTATION>

Just thought I'd point out that there are Irish people in the film who
would very much object at being considered British.  British are
English, Scottish and Welsh.  Now that's settled has Rita Skeeter been
cast?




From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 16 02:17:43 2004
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Is Snape trustworthy?
In-Reply-To: <00cc01c46aae$aaba8220$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <20040716021743.66884.qmail@web42103.mail.yahoo.com>



Sherry Gomes <sherriola at earthlink.net> wrote:
Yes, in fact, i've become more fascinated with the marauders and their generation than I am with Harry and his.  Ok, not quite, of course, I still want to know what happens to Harry and company.  But what I want most is to
know all about James, Sirius, Lupin, Lily, Snape.  
sherry

akh: I suspect we're more likely to get a prequel than a sequel, if JKR decides to continue writing about the HP universe.  She has all but said so on her web site; I believe it's in the FAQ section.  Seeing the whole evolution of the Lily/James/Sirius/Severus dynamic would be my favorite part, too.  She could focus on that, with the building LV war in the background.  Now, if she'll only ask us, we've got her next 10 years planned out!

akh, who's thinking she's going to have to have a "Harry Potter" marathon when POA comes out on DVD.


		
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From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 16 02:02:07 2004
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:02:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Some people have been noticing
References: <cd712m+esbq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c46ad8$e63e9dc0$210110ac@TALLC>

Pernille <bolle17 at f...> wrote:
> "Daniel Radcliffe? Isn't he the one that played Harry Potter" 
> I'm afraid that's what it's going to be like for him in the
> future.
>
> But on the other hand, arguing with myself, the same thing has
> happened to Elijah Wood. I mean how many doesn't associate him
> with Frodo now? He has had a lot of movie projects after LOTR.


I still keep seeing Elijah Wood as Huckleberry Finn (the first movie I saw
him in) or that kid in The Good Son.  I know I won't have a problem with
disassociating him with Frodo for future projects.  But, he had quite a few
movies under his belt before LOTR.  For how ever many HP moves Daniel
Radcliff does, how his career goes afterwards is going to really depend on
what choices he makes afterwards.

Rae




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 16 03:12:47 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:12:47 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lucius
In-Reply-To: <cd72bo+i791@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD1CBFEF.11B7%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>

Maybe it's me not remembering well, but did J.K.
mention Lucius Malfoy in the back flash/memory scene in OotP? If so
could someone refresh my memory?

[from Valerie]
I need to reread GOF and OOP as well. The details are a bit hazy. I'm
thinking that Lucius was not in the same class as the Marauder group.
Perhaps he's a bit older? Maybe by 3-4 years? I don't seem to recall him
being mentioned much in terms of school, though he was obviously a
Slytherin.

PS. Just got back from seeing POA for the 5th time. I told myself I was
going to restrain myself and wait for the DVD. Oh well! November's a long
way off. Plus a co-worker had not seen it yet, and wanted to go with a
"Potter fan". So how could I refuse?! :-)
Her reaction, BTW, was that she really liked the film; it was truer to the
spirit of the HP books than the first 2. She liked the realism and depth of
the sets. She thought the Shrieking Shack scene was a bit rushed and surely
confusing to a non-HP reader, as well as the stag Patronus. She loved Lupin
(me too!), Snape and thought the acting was far, far superior. She wanted to
sit through the film again immediately. Only we were at the last showing of
the evening! 




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 16 03:22:43 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:22:43 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Some people have been noticing
In-Reply-To: <009b01c46ad8$e63e9dc0$210110ac@TALLC>
Message-ID: <BD1CC243.11B8%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Rae Callaway" <tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net>

I still keep seeing Elijah Wood as Huckleberry Finn (the first movie I saw
him in) or that kid in The Good Son.  I know I won't have a problem with
disassociating him with Frodo for future projects.  But, he had quite a few
movies under his belt before LOTR.  For how ever many HP moves Daniel
Radcliff does, how his career goes afterwards is going to really depend on
what choices he makes afterwards.

Rae

[Valerie]
I know...I just saw Good Son 2 nights ago. He's been in 30+ childhood
movies. I think LOTR only served to catapult him into high demand.
Unfortunately some of his recent films have been real "B" movies. I did
enjoy "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", though.
Dan only has a smattering of films to his credit, so he will surely be
remembered primarily for Harry Potter. It was stated in a recent article
that he could possibly overcome his "child-actor" typecast if he shaves his
head or gets a tattoo! In other words, reinvents himself. It's funny though,
because I think he looks so different without glasses. Almost like it's a
different person. And it's been mentioned in previous posts how different
his real life personality is, from Harry. The article also stated that it
sees Ron going into comic roles!




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From HMaffioli at cox.net  Fri Jul 16 06:44:39 2004
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:44:39 -0700
Subject: Several Roles cast for GOF
Message-ID: <005801c46b00$5dff4900$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>

Please excuse me if this has been mentioned, but IMDB.com has several roles now cast including Karkaroff and Barty Crouch Sr. and Jr.  I was looking for pictures of these actors and have had no luck.  Has any one else come across any??

Heather
(mourning the dream casting of Sean Connery as Karkaroff)

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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 07:09:15 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:09:15 -0000
Subject: Dan's future WAS:Some people have been noticing
In-Reply-To: <BD1CC243.11B8%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cd7uur+4cel@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> From: "Rae Callaway" <tallcarabians at s...>
> 
> I still keep seeing Elijah Wood as Huckleberry Finn (the first 
movie I saw
> him in) or that kid in The Good Son.  I know I won't have a problem 
with
> disassociating him with Frodo for future projects.  But, he had 
quite a few
> movies under his belt before LOTR.  For how ever many HP moves 
Daniel
> Radcliff does, how his career goes afterwards is going to really 
depend on
> what choices he makes afterwards.
> 

I believe Daniel is a more accomplished actor than many seem to think 
(and yet there are may posts on his acting skills...go figure) which 
is to say that as Dan is completely different as Harry and looks 
quite different too, there is no reason to think that he couldn't do 
a wide range of parts in the future. His fame from the HP movies has 
given him a large fan-base which means that his name will draw crowds 
also in a different setting. As for comparing him to Mark Hamill--he 
is an American actor and I believe the situation for British actors 
is different. In the states many actors are either movie-, tv- or 
stage actors, in the UK, actors seem to drift easily from one to the 
other which significantly would increase their opportunities and 
options. I think Dan has a good chance of continuing his acting 
career following Potter if he wants to.

Sophia




From patientx3 at aol.com  Fri Jul 16 08:07:29 2004
From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:07:29 -0000
Subject: OT, Troy. Was:  American accents.
In-Reply-To: <000901c46a9a$7a88a5a0$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <cd82c1+togc@eGroups.com>

Taryn wrote:
>> There are just some American actors that are too entirely American 
to do foreign character, IMO. Robert Redford (who I like quite a bit
more than Brad Pitt any day of the week) is one of those in my mind 
that's just SO entirely American that I could never see him play 
someone outside of America.
Brad Pitt is another person who just screams out modern-day American 
to me. There was no way that movie could convince me he was Greek. <<

Rebecca:
I wouldn't know about Troy because I didn't see it (why did they take 
a story steeped in mythology and remove the mythology from it? ... at 
least it did badly so they won't be tempted to do the same thing to 
The Odyssey, which is one of my favorite stories), BUT Brad Pitt did 
a rather good non-American accent in Snatch.

AND...to bring this back on topic, sort of, on the subject of 
accents, part of my excitement over seeing PoA was getting to hear 
Gary Oldman's actual accent. He does such a *dead-on* American accent 
in some movies, I forget he's British sometimes.





From ginamiller at jis.nashville.org  Fri Jul 16 13:45:45 2004
From: ginamiller at jis.nashville.org (Miller, Gina (JIS))
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:45:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting limits/UK only?????
Message-ID: <D78EC74BB0600241A3EE06FA8E0FEA9F049A082D@jismsg01.jis.nashville.org>

Sylvia
I would really like to see Kathy Bates as Umbridge Sylvia

Gina: 
How did I miss that? She is my FAVORITE actress of all time and can do mean
VERY well (misery) Oh she would be the best umbridge ever!

 


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From redina at silverbloom.net  Fri Jul 16 14:32:20 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lucius
In-Reply-To: <BD1CBFEF.11B7%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
References: <cd72bo+i791@eGroups.com>
    <BD1CBFEF.11B7%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1159.4.12.232.36.1089988340.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Valerie Flowe said:
> From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>
>
> Maybe it's me not remembering well, but did J.K.
> mention Lucius Malfoy in the back flash/memory scene in OotP? If so
> could someone refresh my memory?
>
> [from Valerie]
> I need to reread GOF and OOP as well. The details are a bit hazy. I'm
> thinking that Lucius was not in the same class as the Marauder group.
> Perhaps he's a bit older? Maybe by 3-4 years? I don't seem to recall him

I believe, in OOTP, Lucius' age was mentioned during a Daily Prophet
article?  He was 41?  Older than the Marauders and Snape.

Dina

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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 16 14:36:47 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:36:47 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lucius
References: <cd72bo+i791@eGroups.com>    <BD1CBFEF.11B7%valerie.flowe@verizon.net> <1159.4.12.232.36.1089988340.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>
Message-ID: <01af01c46b42$53d81460$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Dina wrote:

<I believe, in OOTP, Lucius' age was
mentioned during a Daily Prophet
article?  He was 41?  Older than the
Marauders and Snape.>

The only time Lucius' age is mentioned is
OotP, when the Daily Prophet states his age
at 41, which means he was at school with the
gang and Snape even if not in the same year.

Saitaina
****
"Potter, if a sixteen year old has perfect
skin, that's a pretty good indication that
he's dabbling in the Dark Arts."

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Fri Jul 16 16:37:09 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:37:09 -0000
Subject: Dan's future WAS:Some people have been noticing
In-Reply-To: <cd7uur+4cel@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cd907l+k3c0@eGroups.com>

> I believe Daniel is a more accomplished actor than many seem to 
think (and yet there are may posts on his acting skills...go figure) 
which is to say that as Dan is completely different as Harry and 
looks quite different too, there is no reason to think that he 
couldn't do a wide range of parts in the future. His fame from the 
HP movies has given him a large fan-base which means that his name 
will draw crowds also in a different setting. As for comparing him 
to Mark Hamill--he is an American actor and I believe the situation 
for British actors is different. In the states many actors are 
either movie-, tv- or stage actors, in the UK, actors seem to drift 
easily from one to the other which significantly would increase 
their opportunities and options. I think Dan has a good chance of 
continuing his acting career following Potter if he wants to.
> 
> Sophia

I agree completely with you, Sophia. It seems that a lot of people 
pratice the art of divination out there! Daniel can be whatever he 
wants to be because he has the potential and the opportunity to do 
so. I don't think he'll be typecast, and I believe that his fan base 
will keep on growing (including fans of all ages. I'm in my 40's). 
He'll have a great future in show business, if that's what he 
decides pursue (I hope he does, actually!). If he doesn't pursue 
acting, he'll be wonderful in whatever he does. I admire him 
greatly. He is talented and his feet are firmly planted on the 
ground. And yes, I agree with your statement about British actors 
too.
Nicole  




From annettehamel at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 16 13:13:33 2004
From: annettehamel at hotmail.com (Annette Hamel)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:13:33 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting limits/UK only?????
Message-ID: <BAY7-F41zapUrJ8eBt200012e93@hotmail.com>

Sylvia wrote:
<<Speaking as an Englishwoman, I would be quite happy for good American
actors to be cast if their English accents were as good as the
Americans in LOTR.  Elijah Wood, especially, apart from the very
occasional slip, I could have sworn was English.  I would really
liketo see Kathy Bates as Umbridge - I'm sure she could do an English
accent with the best of them.  Still, JKR's books, JKR's decision.>>

Sylvia, thank you for this.  In my (American) opinion, casting a movie 
should be about finding the best actor for the job, period.  I have read 
many posts suggesting John Malkovich for Voldemort, and think he would be 
wonderful - the man is frighteningly brilliant.  And Kate Winslet was 
perfect for Titanic, playing an American role.  It is my belief that any 
accomplished actor in the English-speaking world (Britain, South Africa, 
United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, et al) should be able to 
affect the proper accent that any given job requires.  It's part of taking 
on the character.

That said, I get the feeling that JKR's preference for English actors might 
stem from the fact that, as she says, HP is a very "English" story.  The 
story is steeped in cultural references that Americans might find 
unfamiliar.  And, as has been said about Brad Pitt in "Troy", many American 
actors have such a "modern" look (for lack of a better term) that they are 
unconvincing in character roles.

Kathy Bates would be fantastic as Umbridge ;)

Annette
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From ExSlytherin at aol.com  Fri Jul 16 17:38:05 2004
From: ExSlytherin at aol.com (Mandy)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:38:05 -0000
Subject: Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <002101c46ac9$ff88e970$152aa8c0@XPWORKSTATION>
Message-ID: <cd93pt+mkqn@eGroups.com>

Monica wrote:
> <snip> Now that's settled has Rita Skeeter been cast?

Mandy here:
I don't think so, but if Tracy Ullman is not cast as Rita Skeeter 
I'll be very disappointed





From twinslove at mindspring.com  Fri Jul 16 18:16:14 2004
From: twinslove at mindspring.com (Kimberly Roth)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:16:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Several Roles cast for GOF
References: <005801c46b00$5dff4900$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>
Message-ID: <002801c46b60$fe68a5c0$a11ba8c0@KIMBERLY>



One of the web sites, probably either Mugglenet or Leaky Cauldron had pictures of each actor for the different roles. 
They were just one front shot of each, but that is all I have seen so far.  Good luck in finding more.

Kimberly
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Heather Maffioli 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:44 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Several Roles cast for GOF


  Please excuse me if this has been mentioned, but IMDB.com has several roles now cast including Karkaroff and Barty Crouch Sr. and Jr.  I was looking for pictures of these actors and have had no luck.  Has any one else come across any??

  Heather
  (mourning the dream casting of Sean Connery as Karkaroff)

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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Fri Jul 16 22:48:21 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:48:21 -0000
Subject: Imdb's cast list for GoF
Message-ID: <cd9lvm+ciba@eGroups.com>

I am really sorry if this has been posted before, but I just checked 
out the page imdb have for GoF and came over the cast listing that 
they have. Although I haven't been reading here for a long time, I 
haven't read any post discussing these actors.

Imdb are not always right about these things, but I'll link it anyway;
http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/

Could someone refresh my memory, who is Igor Karkaroff?
(Irritates me that imdb have no photos of most of these actors.)
 I found one of Robert Pattinson who has been cast as Cedric Diggory 
on the Internet though. Would the group be interested in having it in 
the photos section?

Take Care
Pernille




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sat Jul 17 00:07:28 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:07:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Imdb's cast list for GoF
References: <cd9lvm+ciba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c46b92$0c7dba20$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> Could someone refresh my memory, who is Igor Karkaroff?
> (Irritates me that imdb have no photos of most of these actors.)
>  I found one of Robert Pattinson who has been cast as Cedric Diggory
> on the Internet though. Would the group be interested in having it in
> the photos section?
>
> Take Care
> Pernille

Iggy here:

Here's some links I found for photos:  (As you may notice, Veritaserum is a
GREAT site for seeing some of the photos of the actors in the HP movies that
IMDB doesn't have.)

Madame Maxime / Frances de la Tour -
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/actors/francesdelatour.shtml
Igor Karkaroff /  Predja Bjelac -
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/actors/pedjabjelac.shtml
Barty Crouch / Roger Lloyd-Pack -
ttp://fp.waitenet.plus.com/galleryrogerlloydpack.htm
Cedric Diggory / Robert Pattinson  -
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/profile.php?varProfile=4076
Cho Chang / Katie Leung  -  http://www.anycities.com/harrypotter/Cho.html
(the first two pictures are of her.)
Fleur Delacour / Clemence Poesy -
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/actors/clemencepoesy.shtml
Amos Diggory / Jeff Rawle  -  http://www.castaway.org.uk/jera.htm
Barty Crouch Jr / David Tennant  -
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/actors/davidtennant.shtml


That's most of what I could find.  (Well, I did find one site with a lot of
pics of the 21 year old Clemence Poesy... but I didnt' feel some of the pics
were appropriate for this list.)

Iggy McSnurd






From sbchavez2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 04:16:06 2004
From: sbchavez2000 at yahoo.com (Brooke)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:16:06 -0000
Subject: Casting limits/UK only?????
In-Reply-To: <D78EC74BB0600241A3EE06FA8E0FEA9F049A082D@jismsg01.jis.nashville.org>
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Has anyone thought of Joan Plowright for Umbridge?  Or is she too 
old?  She is a wonderful actress!




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Miller, Gina (JIS)" 
<ginamiller at j...> wrote:
> Sylvia
> I would really like to see Kathy Bates as Umbridge Sylvia
> 
> Gina: 
> How did I miss that? She is my FAVORITE actress of all time and 
can do mean
> VERY well (misery) Oh she would be the best umbridge ever!
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 17 07:31:44 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:31:44 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <000401c46b92$0c7dba20$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <BD1E4E20.11E1%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

Thanks for the photos links to the new actors for GOF! Somehow I pictured
Mme. Maxime and Karkaroff as chunky, not thin. Hope they make Mme. Maxime
look huge like Hagrid.
Cedric looks cute! And see, the Fleur actress is 21, dispelling all those
rumors that the HP kids will be too old to act in the films in a few years.
Hope they don't cut out Rita's character. Her hounding Harry is amusingly
annoying. Especially when she corners him in the broom closet.
Valerie




From verosomm at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 13:02:57 2004
From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:02:57 -0000
Subject: Lucius
In-Reply-To: <01af01c46b42$53d81460$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cdb821+mjm6@eGroups.com>

Exactly.  And since the gang here was in their fifth year, Lucius 
would have already left the school (according to the official 
timeline, Lucius starts his 7th and final year the year the Snape, 
Lily and Marauders are only starting their 1st).  This can be 
further concluded with the fact that James and Lily, had they lived, 
would have been 35, turning 36, during OoTP and Lucius is stated as 
being 41 (turning 42, presumably) which is 6 years older.

Veronica

> The only time Lucius' age is mentioned is
> OotP, when the Daily Prophet states his age
> at 41, which means he was at school with the
> gang and Snape even if not in the same year.
> 
> Saitaina





From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sat Jul 17 19:36:14 2004
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:36:14 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Imdb's cast list for GoF
References: <cd9lvm+ciba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007001c46c35$5293c920$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>

www.HPANA.com has a link to 3 new Robert Pattinson pictures.
By the way, Kararoff is the Durmstrang head master.

Heather
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pernille 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:48 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Imdb's cast list for GoF


  I am really sorry if this has been posted before, but I just checked 
  out the page imdb have for GoF and came over the cast listing that 
  they have. Although I haven't been reading here for a long time, I 
  haven't read any post discussing these actors.

  Imdb are not always right about these things, but I'll link it anyway;
  http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0330373/

  Could someone refresh my memory, who is Igor Karkaroff?
  (Irritates me that imdb have no photos of most of these actors.)
  I found one of Robert Pattinson who has been cast as Cedric Diggory 
  on the Internet though. Would the group be interested in having it in 
  the photos section?

  Take Care
  Pernille



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From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 17 16:07:12 2004
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:07:12 -0000
Subject: Casting limits/UK only?????
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "ladyramkin2000" 

<Sylvia wrote:
>I would really like to see Kathy Bates as Umbridge ...
> 

Ooh, I agree. I can see her being condescending and sadistic, and yet 
chilling at the same time.








From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jul 18 01:06:55 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:06:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Casting limits/UK only?????
References: <cdbirg+c1uu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c46c63$850a1890$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> <Sylvia wrote:
> >I would really like to see Kathy Bates as Umbridge ...
> >

> From: "lorelei3dg"

> Ooh, I agree. I can see her being condescending and sadistic, and yet
> chilling at the same time.
>
>

Iggy here:

(I'm accrediting quotes as well as possible, btw, since the person I am
replying to didn't sign or indicate an accreditagtion of themselves.  Please
forgive if it's accredited inaccurately.)

I'd like to see Dame Judi Dench as Umbridge.  For one, she's got a good look
for it, and also because I can see her doing it kinda as an evil version of
M's attitude from the Bond movies.  (She can play merciless when she wants,
as well as nice... add a dash of slimy and self serving, narrow minded
bureaucratic evil in there, and you have Umbridge.)

Iggy McSnurd






From beckwith at zipworld.com.au  Sun Jul 18 03:08:20 2004
From: beckwith at zipworld.com.au (F Nitschke)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:08:20 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <000401c46b92$0c7dba20$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
References: <cd9lvm+ciba@eGroups.com>
 <000401c46b92$0c7dba20$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040718130315.028517e0@mail.zip.com.au>

Pernille wrote:
> > Could someone refresh my memory, who is Igor Karkaroff?
> > (Irritates me that imdb have no photos of most of these actors.)

Me too. (Oops, I've just posted 'me too'. ;)


Then Iggy provided the link:
>Igor Karkaroff /  Predja Bjelac -
>http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/actors/pedjabjelac.shtml

Thank you all who've posted further information on GoF casting.  Predja 
Bjelac is one of the casting choices I'm quite pleased (even if a bit 
surprised) to see.  I thought him excellent in Warriors as a very complex 
character who is critical to much of what goes on in the human tragedies 
that make up that film, even though he's not on screen very often.  It will 
be very interesting to see him as Karkaroff both in terms of what he's 
given to work with and what he makes of it.

Cheers,
F




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Sun Jul 18 11:45:42 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:45:42 -0000
Subject: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <007001c46c35$5293c920$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>
Message-ID: <cddnt6+9skm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 
<HMaffioli at c...> wrote:
> www.HPANA.com has a link to 3 new Robert Pattinson pictures.
> By the way, Kararoff is the Durmstrang head master.
> 
> Heather


Hey thanks. For both.
Robert Pattinson is good looking. I was worried that they wouldn't 
find someone that was, (at least after my standards). I can Really 
see him in this part. :) To bad Christian Coulson (tom Riddle already 
had been used cause he was Grrrrrrrr. Ok, I'll stop now. :)
I am very pleased with the girl they picked as Cho Chang as well.

But to start a discussion. I think the actor they have chosen to play 
Mad Eye is a bit too young. What do you guys think?

Take Care
Pernille




From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 18 13:47:50 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:47:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <cddnt6+9skm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c46ccd$d74b7a80$0400a8c0@pensive>

Well, of course, I'm not going by looks, but I have an image in my mind of
what all the characters sound like.  I just saw the actor who will play
moody as King Menelaus in troy.  He sounded exactly as I picture Moody's
voice, kind of rough, but able to "roar", as I believe JKR has him do from
time to time.  I could just hear him taunting Draco as he turns him into a
ferret.  

Do we know what age Moody should be?  I picture him older than the marauders
but not as old as Dumbledore or McGonagall.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: Pernille [mailto:bolle17 at frisurf.no] 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 5:46 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" 
<HMaffioli at c...> wrote:
> www.HPANA.com has a link to 3 new Robert Pattinson pictures.
> By the way, Kararoff is the Durmstrang head master.
> 
> Heather


Hey thanks. For both.
Robert Pattinson is good looking. I was worried that they wouldn't 
find someone that was, (at least after my standards). I can Really 
see him in this part. :) To bad Christian Coulson (tom Riddle already 
had been used cause he was Grrrrrrrr. Ok, I'll stop now. :)
I am very pleased with the girl they picked as Cho Chang as well.

But to start a discussion. I think the actor they have chosen to play 
Mad Eye is a bit too young. What do you guys think?

Take Care
Pernille




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From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jul 18 13:57:36 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:57:36 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
References: <cddnt6+9skm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c46ccf$2e629820$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

From: "Pernille"
> But to start a discussion. I think the actor they have chosen to play
> Mad Eye is a bit too young. What do you guys think?
>
> Take Care
> Pernille
>

Iggy here:

I will stick with my sincere regret that the perfect man to play Moody has
been dead for these past 15 years or so... Marty Feldman.  A great actor,
and with a physique and face made for the role.

May ye still Rest in Peace.


Iggy McSnurd





From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Sun Jul 18 14:02:04 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:02:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
References: <000d01c46ccd$d74b7a80$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <001101c46ccf$ce29c310$6601a8c0@DocSavage>



> Do we know what age Moody should be?  I picture him older than the
marauders
> but not as old as Dumbledore or McGonagall.
>
> Sherry
>

Iggy Here:

I always saw him as being from Arthur and Molly's generation (I see them as
being about 10 years older or so than the Marauders.), but a few years
ahread of them... like being a fifth year when they were entering their
first.  (It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that not all of Arthur's
respect for Moody came from working at the MoM, but that he knew of Moody in
school as well.)

Just a thought...


Iggy McSnurd






From HMaffioli at cox.net  Sun Jul 18 15:55:05 2004
From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:55:05 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
References: <cddnt6+9skm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001801c46cdf$984e6d80$6501a8c0@sd.cox.net>


  Hey thanks. For both.
  Robert Pattinson is good looking. I was worried that they wouldn't 
  find someone that was, (at least after my standards). I can Really 
  see him in this part. :) To bad Christian Coulson (tom Riddle already 
  had been used cause he was Grrrrrrrr. Ok, I'll stop now. :)
  I am very pleased with the girl they picked as Cho Chang as well.

  But to start a discussion. I think the actor they have chosen to play 
  Mad Eye is a bit too young. What do you guys think?

  Take Care
  Pernille






  Well the Lexicon (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/moody.html) thinks he is about Arthur Weasleys age or a bit older.  I always pictured him as Billy Connolly (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0175262/) 


  Heateher

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From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Sun Jul 18 17:59:28 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:59:28 -0000
Subject: Some people have been noticing
In-Reply-To: <cd6iqj+jal3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdedq0+tlvv@eGroups.com>

It is good to see others recognizing Dan Radcliffe. I getting tired 
of reading all the disparaging comments about him. He is every bit as 
good as Emma Watson or Rupert Grint and Dan does twice the work of 
either of them. 




From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 22:04:27 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:04:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
Message-ID: <20040718220427.91972.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>

> Iggy here:
> 
> I will stick with my sincere regret that the perfect
man to 
> play Moody has been dead for these past 15 years or
so... 
> Marty Feldman.  A great actor, and with a physique
and face 
> made for the role.
> 
> May ye still Rest in Peace.

I was watching one the talking head shows this week in
the US (The
Charlie Rose Show) and he had the Scottish actor Brian
Cox on pitching
the Bourne Supremacy film. To me, Brian Cox would have
been a perfect
Moody. 

Suzanne



		
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From senefra2004 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 23:29:59 2004
From: senefra2004 at yahoo.com (Thats my little secret)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:29:59 -0000
Subject: Snape's Character Progression
Message-ID: <cdf15n+290e@eGroups.com>

Things I've noticed...

SS/PS~Physically has more of an emotional response. When he was 
listening to Hermione's troll story, you could tell by that one look 
(made me LOL so hard BTW) he knew she was lying andthat he was 
disappointed in Hermione, some who's obviously smart enough to know 
better, for doing such a dreadful thing...

CoS~He's a bit more subdued in his expressions, subtly showing his 
abilities in legilimancy (mind reading). An easy example, when the 
trio are found with Mrs. Norris, he offers his opinion on what 
occured because of his ability to sort truths from falsehoods, one of 
which almost came from Hermione but was picked up by Harry.

PoA~Not featured as much as the previous film, perhaps because of the 
character's backstory multitasking Death Eater meetings, teaching, 
the Dementors constant survey of the school grounds, and of course 
Sirius Black's escape, who he hopes to catch himself, part of a past 
vengeance. When we do see him, he seems far more vulnerable here, 
stumbling, facing his fear of Lupin's alter ego, brimming with 
obvious anger and overprotectiveness of even Harry himself.

Then there are moments where he's in the scene, but hardly focused on 
until camera leads up to the principals. For example in the hallway 
(SS/PS), he spins around upon hearing conversation between the trio 
(Ron, Hermione, Harry).  

I still haven't read GoF (shame I me, I know) but I'm looking forward 
to any subtle differences Rickman puts into any future performance, 
and I certainly hope he sticks with the other adaptations because he 
brings a certain substance and dimensionality that few actors can do 
to an otherwise tragic character.

That's just my personal observation though...any other thoughts? 





From WFeuchter at msn.com  Mon Jul 19 00:25:35 2004
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:25:35 -0000
Subject: Some people have been noticing
In-Reply-To: <cdedq0+tlvv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdf4dv+75qn@eGroups.com>

Hear Hear!!
Not only is Dan as good or better actor than Emma or Rubert, but he 
is the chief spokes person for the films and studio. 

But it is a shame that we seem to have to pick the "best" actor. 
What makes the movies work is the way the trio interacts. They are 
indeed Harry, Ron and Hermonie!


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at e...> 
wrote:
> It is good to see others recognizing Dan Radcliffe. I getting 
tired 
> of reading all the disparaging comments about him. He is every bit 
as 
> good as Emma Watson or Rupert Grint and Dan does twice the work of 
> either of them.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 19 01:55:05 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:55:05 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <20040718220427.91972.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BD20A239.11FD%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

> Iggy here:
> 
> I will stick with my sincere regret that the perfect
man to 
> play Moody has been dead for these past 15 years or
so... 
> Marty Feldman.  A great actor, and with a physique
and face 
> made for the role.
> 
> May ye still Rest in Peace.

[from Valerie]
I totally agree! The actor that has been chosen is too normal looking. Don't
know how they'll give him that revolving eye. I think Anthony Hopkins would
make a great Moody. He can look real crazy (think Silence of the Lambs or
Legends of the Fall). 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Jul 19 01:58:32 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:58:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <cddnt6+9skm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD20A308.11FE%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Pernille" <bolle17 at frisurf.no>

Hey thanks. For both.
Robert Pattinson is good looking. I was worried that they wouldn't
find someone that was, (at least after my standards). I can Really
see him in this part. :)

[from Valerie]
Yup, Cedric is totally hot! I can see what Cho sees in him. :-)  Too bad he
gets killed off. 


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From scully931 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 03:58:51 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:58:51 -0000
Subject: Snape's Character Progression
In-Reply-To: <cdf15n+290e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdfgtr+i1nv@eGroups.com>


You know, something (rather obvious now that I think about it) 
struck me while reading your post. I remember Alan Rickman saying 
that JKR told him what he *needed* to know. (This was long ago when 
the cast was first being interviewed and everyone was asking if they 
knew how the story ended, etc.) I remember him saying something 
about knowing things that make a difference in how he plays it. I'm 
wondering if what she told him was that Snape was a Leglimens. That 
he could, in Muggle terms, read minds. This explains some of what 
you were saying in Rickman's portrayal. Can this be done easily to 
someone, or is the person aware of it, I wonder. We didn't find out 
quite enough about it in OOTP. 

Now... I've just had a minor revelation... is this how Dumbledore 
knows Snape really did return to the right side? Surely Dumbledore 
possesses this talent. We've seen much evidence of it. Hope this 
hasn't been discussed already. I haven't been following the Snape 
trail on here. Any ideas on this?

~Deborah


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Thats my little secret" 
<senefra2004 at y...> wrote:
> Things I've noticed...
> 
> SS/PS~Physically has more of an emotional response. When he was 
> listening to Hermione's troll story, you could tell by that one 
look 
> (made me LOL so hard BTW) he knew she was lying andthat he was 
> disappointed in Hermione, some who's obviously smart enough to 
know 
> better, for doing such a dreadful thing...
> 
> CoS~He's a bit more subdued in his expressions, subtly showing his 
> abilities in legilimancy (mind reading). An easy example, when the 
> trio are found with Mrs. Norris, he offers his opinion on what 
> occured because of his ability to sort truths from falsehoods, one 
of 
> which almost came from Hermione but was picked up by Harry.
> 
> PoA~Not featured as much as the previous film, perhaps because of 
the 
> character's backstory multitasking Death Eater meetings, teaching, 
> the Dementors constant survey of the school grounds, and of course 
> Sirius Black's escape, who he hopes to catch himself, part of a 
past 
> vengeance. When we do see him, he seems far more vulnerable here, 
> stumbling, facing his fear of Lupin's alter ego, brimming with 
> obvious anger and overprotectiveness of even Harry himself.
> 
> Then there are moments where he's in the scene, but hardly focused 
on 
> until camera leads up to the principals. For example in the 
hallway 
> (SS/PS), he spins around upon hearing conversation between the 
trio 
> (Ron, Hermione, Harry).  
> 
> I still haven't read GoF (shame I me, I know) but I'm looking 
forward 
> to any subtle differences Rickman puts into any future 
performance, 
> and I certainly hope he sticks with the other adaptations because 
he 
> brings a certain substance and dimensionality that few actors can 
do 
> to an otherwise tragic character.
> 
> That's just my personal observation though...any other thoughts?




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 19 04:45:13 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:45:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <20040718220427.91972.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040719044513.30667.qmail@web53504.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Suzanne Chiles <suzchiles at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was watching one the talking head shows this week
> in
> the US (The
> Charlie Rose Show) and he had the Scottish actor
> Brian
> Cox on pitching
> the Bourne Supremacy film. To me, Brian Cox would
> have
> been a perfect
> Moody. 

YESSS! Suzanne, Cox has been my personal pick for
Moody ever since I read GoF. I thought I was the only
one! He would, indeed, have been brilliant as Moody.

Lanthiriel


		
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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Mon Jul 19 09:38:14 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:38:14 -0000
Subject: Imdb's cast list for GoF
In-Reply-To: <20040718220427.91972.qmail@web40607.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdg4q6+9kbq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Suzanne Chiles <suzchiles at y...> 
wrote:
> I was watching one the talking head shows this week in
> the US (The
> Charlie Rose Show) and he had the Scottish actor Brian
> Cox on pitching
> the Bourne Supremacy film. To me, Brian Cox would have
> been a perfect
> Moody. 
> 
> Suzanne
> 
 I agree, he would have been perfect. That's how I imagined Moody, 
gray-whitish hair, in his 50's or 60's. A bit thinner though. 

Take Care
Pernille





From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Mon Jul 19 10:24:30 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:24:30 -0000
Subject: Snape's Character Progression
In-Reply-To: <cdfgtr+i1nv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdg7gu+dq20@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" <scully931 at y...> 
wrote:
> 
> You know, something (rather obvious now that I think about it) 
> struck me while reading your post. I remember Alan Rickman saying 
> that JKR told him what he *needed* to know. (This was long ago when 
> the cast was first being interviewed and everyone was asking if    
> they knew how the story ended, etc.) I remember him saying         
> something about knowing things that make a difference in how he    
> plays it. I'm wondering if what she told him was that Snape was a  
> Leglimens. That he could, in Muggle terms, read minds. This        
> explains some of what you were saying in Rickman's portrayal. Can   
> this be done easily to someone, or is the person aware of it, I    
> wonder. We didn't find out quite enough about it in OOTP. 

Bit strange actually, I've never really thought about this. It has of 
course been in the back of my mind, but never thought it trough. That 
might be it. I think that actually could be what J.K. told him.

> Now... I've just had a minor revelation... is this how Dumbledore 
> knows Snape really did return to the right side? Surely Dumbledore 
> possesses this talent. We've seen much evidence of it. Hope this 
> hasn't been discussed already. I haven't been following the Snape 
> trail on here. Any ideas on this?
> 
> ~Deborah

As you say, it's clear that Dumbledore has this gift. But despite 
this I think there is something else that makes him trust Snape. It 
could be both...this thing or action we don't know about combined 
with that he can read his mind. Because you see, I don't think Harry 
would trust Snape just because Dumbledore says he can read his mind. 
I think it will take more then that. Just a thought.

I'm re reading PoA at the moment, and when the topic of mind reading 
came up something struck me; could it be that Hermione has this gift 
as well?, maybe without knowing it? She is always so insightful, and 
always seems to know what Harry is feeling and thinking.
My copy of PoA is in Norwegian so I don't know if this is the case in 
the British version, but in not so many pages two times the 
phrase: "as if she read his mind", has been used in scenes where 
Harry and Hermione have been talking to each other. 
I'm probably wrong about this though.

To come back to Snape and the movies, I must say that Alan Rickman is 
one of the best casting jobs I've ever seen. He IS Snape to me. No 
other. And he does it so well. I love it when he does that thing with 
his lip when he understands that he has been beaten. 

This became a bit long :)
Pernille




From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Jul 19 20:19:59 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:19:59 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 990
Message-ID: <62.40e97a49.2e2d86ef@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:54:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

The  
first thing that I thought when I saw the children's playground in 
the  background (with the frosted roundabout creaking creepily and 
the swings  mysteriously swinging) was that it MUST be where Harry 
fights the  dementors in OotP. Did this occur to anyone else  too?

Sara_ELL



he fought the Dementors in an alleyway after he and Dudley  had left the 
playpark area.
   

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul 20 05:33:18 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 01:33:18 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Snape's Character Progression
In-Reply-To: <cdfgtr+i1nv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD2226DE.1221%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Scully931" <scully931 at yahoo.com>
<snip>
Now... I've just had a minor revelation... is this how Dumbledore
knows Snape really did return to the right side? Surely Dumbledore
possesses this talent. We've seen much evidence of it. Hope this
hasn't been discussed already. I haven't been following the Snape
trail on here. Any ideas on this?

~Deborah

Why do you suppose that, though Dumbledore trusts Snape enough to give him a
job and include him as a member of the Order of the Phoenix, he still will
not give him the DADA job? Sort of seems a slap in the face, no? First
Quirrel, who was obviously weak to Voldemort's parasitic tendencies; then
Lockheart, who was an obvious fraud to all, then poor Lupin, who had the
monthly "curse", Moody is a loose cannon, and Umbridge is Evil Incarnate.
Doesn't Snape deserve a chance in all this? Is Dumbledore afraid that
Snape's loyalty to the "Good Side" is so tenuous, that all Voldemort has to
do is put a little pressure on Snape's dark mark, and he'll come running?
Curious...guess we'll have to wait till Book #6 or #7!



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 13:06:52 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:06:52 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Snape's character progression
Message-ID: <be.11a87502.2e2e72ec@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/19/2004 7:11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I've  just had a minor revelation... is this how Dumbledore 
knows Snape really  did return to the right side? Surely Dumbledore 
possesses this talent.  We've seen much evidence of it. Hope this 
hasn't been discussed already. I  haven't been following the Snape 
trail on here. Any ideas on  this?

~Deborah



In OoP, Dumbledore tells Harry he (Dumbledore) should have taught  Harry 
Occlumens himself but was concerned it would give Voldemort a direct link  to what 
Dumbledore is up to, since V. could see through Harry's eyes.  He  had Snape 
teach Harry to protect the Order, and now he regrets making that  decision, 
because Harry didn't learn Occlumency from Snape due to their mutual  animosity. 
 Occlumency and Legilimens go together, so if you learn one, you  learn the 
other at the same time (at least, that's how it reads to me), so  Dumbledore 
must be a Legilimens.  There's some other place that makes me  believe he's a 
Legilimens as well, but I can't think where.  I think Lupin  might also be one, 
since he seems to read Harry's mind -- or maybe he just knew  James so well, 
he can anticipate what Harry's thinking, I dunno.   JMO.
 

 
Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 13:16:16 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:16:16 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Some people have been noticing
Message-ID: <196.2c05cb39.2e2e7520@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/19/2004 7:11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Hear  Hear!!
Not only is Dan as good or better actor than Emma or Rubert, but he  
is the chief spokes person for the films and studio. 

But it is a  shame that we seem to have to pick the "best" actor. 
What makes the movies  work is the way the trio interacts. They are 
indeed Harry, Ron and  Hermonie!


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mcmaxslb"  <McGregorMax at e...> 
wrote:
> It is good to see others  recognizing Dan Radcliffe. I getting 
tired 
> of reading all the  disparaging comments about him. He is every bit  
as 
> good as  Emma Watson or Rupert Grint and Dan does twice the work of 
> either of  them.





I've been out of town -- what did I miss???  I've been singing  the praises 
of Dan Radcliffe (and I'm old enough to be his gran, mind you!)  since the 
movie came out!  I'm a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  comments that 
Rupert is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  scene, etc.  I 
don't know why Thewlis has the opinion that only Rupert has  the chance of an 
acting career after the Harry Potter movies are  done.  Emma is very talented 
and very pretty, and Dan can act circles  around lots of those in films (as 
well as being a handsome kid who looks like  he'll be an even better looking 
young man).  Rupert, who I think is the  quintessential Ron, is like Ron in being 
inarticulate in interviews, too shy  (not a fault, just a fact) perhaps, or 
not interested in becoming a student of  film like Dan has.  Dan is the perfect 
promoter for the films -- Warner  Bros. must be in seventh heaven to have such 
a great star for this series of  films, because he's not only a good (and 
rapidly improving) actor as well as  attractive, but a GREAT interview, with 
charm and poise and modesty that makes  him even more attractive to viewers and 
interviewers alike (or so it  seems).  I sure hope Warner Bros is paying 
attention to the attention the  trio is getting and keeps those kids for the whole 
series no matter how long it  takes JKR to finish the books!  (hurry, JKR, 
hurry!!!  heehee)  

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



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From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul 20 13:50:46 2004
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:50:46 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <196.2c05cb39.2e2e7520@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cdj7vm+39e3@eGroups.com>

> SNIP > 
>
>I'm a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  comments that 
>Rupert is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  
scene, etc.  I don't know why Thewlis has the opinion that only 
Rupert has  the chance of an acting career after the Harry Potter 
movies are  done

OK, well that kind of threw me for a loop. I never read this quote 
before, and before I get all hot and bothered over it, I imagine 
that this was maybe taken out of context? I hope? because otherwise, 
IMO, David Thewlis doesn't know what he's talking about (I dislike 
people who back stab their co stars as a general rule). Don't get me 
wrong... Rupert does a really good job and, to me, is "Ron par 
excellence". And Emma is a fine young actress. But Daniel is better 
than good... he did an amazing job in POA and, again IMO, will have 
a really great acting career if he decides to pursue one. His 
portrayal of Harry is superb (and for those who want to see him cry, 
just watch him closely when Lupin is talking to him about his mum 
and dad).           

Just my two cents worth!
Nicole
Who no longer likes David Thewlis until further notice 




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 14:32:18 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:32:18 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <cdj7vm+39e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdjadi+3m4k@eGroups.com>

I think his comments were more in line with it will be harder for 
Daniel to have that career after Harry Potter.  I think Dan improved 
big time in POA and the directing had a little to with it.  Rupert 
has been consistent since the beginning and that might stand out to 
Thewlis.  It certainly does to me.  Maybe he watched them do certain 
scenes and noticed how many takes and blah blah blah?  His line 
delivery is smoother than the others' as well (I think).  Don't get 
me started on Emma Watson.  At some points in POA, she was definitely 
good.  But she is still not consistent.  I can't stand her "ancient 
runes" speech on the way to COMC.  I was happy she improved though.

Marci

 "jeanico2000" <jheiler at s...> wrote:
> > SNIP > 
> >
> >I'm a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  comments that 
> >Rupert is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  
> scene, etc.  I don't know why Thewlis has the opinion that only 
> Rupert has  the chance of an acting career after the Harry Potter 
> movies are  done
> 
> OK, well that kind of threw me for a loop. I never read this quote 
> before, and before I get all hot and bothered over it, I imagine 
> that this was maybe taken out of context? I hope? because 
otherwise, 
> IMO, David Thewlis doesn't know what he's talking about (I dislike 
> people who back stab their co stars as a general rule). Don't get 
me 
> wrong... Rupert does a really good job and, to me, is "Ron par 
> excellence". And Emma is a fine young actress. But Daniel is better 
> than good... he did an amazing job in POA and, again IMO, will have 
> a really great acting career if he decides to pursue one. His 
> portrayal of Harry is superb (and for those who want to see him 
cry, 
> just watch him closely when Lupin is talking to him about his mum 
> and dad).           
> 
> Just my two cents worth!
> Nicole
> Who no longer likes David Thewlis until further notice




From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 15:56:39 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:56:39 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what??
Message-ID: <db.f9771e6.2e2e9ab7@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:02:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

>I'm  a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  comments that 
>Rupert  is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  
scene,  etc.  I don't know why Thewlis has the opinion that only 
Rupert  has  the chance of an acting career after the Harry Potter 
movies  are  done

OK, well that kind of threw me for a loop. I never read  this quote 
before, and before I get all hot and bothered over it, I  imagine 
that this was maybe taken out of context? I hope? because  otherwise, 
IMO, David Thewlis doesn't know what he's talking about (I  dislike 
people who back stab their co stars as a general rule). Don't get  me 
wrong... Rupert does a really good job and, to me, is "Ron par  
excellence". And Emma is a fine young actress. But Daniel is better  
than good... he did an amazing job in POA and, again IMO, will have 
a  really great acting career if he decides to pursue one. His 
portrayal of  Harry is superb (and for those who want to see him cry, 
just watch him  closely when Lupin is talking to him about his mum 
and dad).     

Just my two cents  worth!
Nicole



There's an article linked to Leaky and DanRadcliffe.com that  quotes Thewlis 
as going on and on about Rupert, rather than Dan, which is  surprising since 
Thewlis and Dan had so much screen time together, and Rupert  and Thewlis 
honestly didn't have that many scenes together.  It struck me  as rather odd.  I 
like Rupert a lot, but my goodness, he's no Dan.   Yikes!  FWIW, if another 
movie (not HP) came out with Dan in it, I'd go see  it, probably no matter what it 
was (well, I do have my limits. . .).  I  didn't bother to see "Thunderpants" 
despite liking Rupert.  It just seemed  too inane.  I can't imagine "serious 
film student" Dan taking such a part.  

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



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From clshannon at aol.com  Tue Jul 20 17:46:58 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:46:58 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
Message-ID: <14.2eafa7ff.2e2eb492@aol.com>

The Leaky Cauldron archive has this from June 6th. 
These are the actual quotes from the short article.
*********************************************************************

David Thewlis Interviews

The Sydney Morning Herald has a short piece with Prisoner of Azkaban actor 
David Thewlis, in which he comments on his three young co-stars:

Thewlis, who joined the cast as Professor Lupin for Harry Potter and the 
Prisoner of Azkaban, thinks it will be difficult for them to have acting careers 
outside the series.

"The most likely is Rupert," he said. "I think he's the most natural actor. 
He's the oldest of the three. I can imagine him moving on. Emma's the same."

"Someone is going to have to make a brave casting choice to give him 
something that takes him away from Harry Potter," Thewlis said. "Or he's going to have 
to shave his head and grow a beard ... to get away from it."
***********************************************************

Just wanted to post the actual quote before this thread got too speculative 
about what Thewlis actually said ;-)

I think the 'most natural actor' thing is a bit misleading. In other words, I 
think that Ron is the easier part. There really isn't as much going on 
beneath the surface of a lot of the characters, next to Harry that is. Not that Ron 
and Hermione and others aren't three dimensional characters, but Harry is the 
protagonist of the series and all action and plot really revolves around his 
life. Harry is a much more difficult character to play. There is more 
progression, in fact, there is tremendous progression in the character and 
psychological tidal waves that he must portray. 
I could go on and on, but I'll just say that although I think Rupert is very 
talented at the type of character Ron is, he is untested when it comes to more 
complicated roles.   
A lot of folks seem to forget that Dan was in two hours of David Copperfield 
as the title character, once again the protagonist whom the action of the 
piece was revolving around. He wasn't just in a few scenes like in Tailor of 
Panama. He had a lot of screen time in Copperfield and the character, although a 
young child, still had to navigate some pretty difficult emotions and actions. 
Dan has had a rather challenging acting life so far ;-) I wouldn't mind seeing 
him do a character that maybe didn't have to have so much inner life going on; 
maybe something lighter, just to see how he handles it.
Oh well, I said I wasn't going to go on and on and I did! 
Sorry,
Cindy


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From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 20 18:35:30 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:35:30 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <cdj7vm+39e3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdjoli+gof4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at s...> 
wrote:
> > SNIP > 
> >
> >I'm a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  comments that 
> >Rupert is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  
> scene, etc.  I don't know why Thewlis has the opinion that only 
> Rupert has  the chance of an acting career after the Harry Potter 
> movies are  done



Griffin782002 now:

I think that Rubert is making the best performance. I like most when 
he makes all these faces. And to be honest, it is a bit worrying 
about the future of Daniel's career. Remember Mark Hammil? He has 
only appeared in some ridicilous movies. But I can't deny that his 
perfomance has improve.



Griffin782002




From WFeuchter at msn.com  Tue Jul 20 19:01:14 2004
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:01:14 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <cdjoli+gof4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdjq5q+ln56@eGroups.com>

You know we really do not know how good Rupert can be since WB 
decided to make Ron the comic releif in the movie. Hopefully in GOF 
and OOTP they will let the character become more complex.

I am really a Dan fan, but think that all of the trio are perfect 
for their parts.

I don't think that Dan will have a problem moving on, if the powers 
that be don't type cast him and let him have a chance. If you notice 
Dan looks different when he is in the role of Harry than he does as 
a civilian, so he should be able to step into any role. Much like 
Tom Hanks, who can play so many different types of characters 
without the viewer thinking that is Tom Hanks playing so and so.

Bill

> 
> 
> Griffin782002 now:
> 
> I think that Rubert is making the best performance. I like most 
when 
> he makes all these faces. And to be honest, it is a bit worrying 
> about the future of Daniel's career. Remember Mark Hammil? He has 
> only appeared in some ridicilous movies. But I can't deny that his 
> perfomance has improve.
> 
> 
> 
> Griffin782002




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Jul 20 19:46:49 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:46:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
References: <14.2eafa7ff.2e2eb492@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c46e92$4caaa970$6601a8c0@DocSavage>

> Cindy:
>
> The Leaky Cauldron archive has this from June 6th.
> These are the actual quotes from the short article.
> *********************************************************************
>
> David Thewlis Interviews
>
> The Sydney Morning Herald has a short piece with Prisoner of Azkaban actor
> David Thewlis, in which he comments on his three young co-stars:
>
> Thewlis, who joined the cast as Professor Lupin for Harry Potter and the
> Prisoner of Azkaban, thinks it will be difficult for them to have acting
careers
> outside the series.
>
> "The most likely is Rupert," he said. "I think he's the most natural
actor.
> He's the oldest of the three. I can imagine him moving on. Emma's the
same."
>
> "Someone is going to have to make a brave casting choice to give him
> something that takes him away from Harry Potter," Thewlis said. "Or he's
going to have
> to shave his head and grow a beard ... to get away from it."
> ***********************************************************

Iggy here:

Here's my basic take on that quote...

I think that the main thing he's saying is that, after being in the HP
movies, and identified so strongly with the characters that they portray,
many of the kids (especially the trio) run the risk of being type cast in
similar roles... or in being seen as Harry Potter playing Dr. Who , rather
than Dan Radcliffe... Hermione Granger as Anna Karenina instead of Emma
Watson playing the role... or Ron Weasley as Hamlet, and not Rupert Grint.
In some cases, you have ingrained the role into your personality so much
because you've played it so long, that it can be difficult to get away from
it.  So far, the kids have been playing their roles almost non stop for 4
about 4 years or more... assuming they end up in the last three movies, they
will end up having played the same roles for approximately 10-12 years
straight.

Ron may seem, to Thewlis, as being the most natural actor because he
probably portrays Ron the most like his actual self.  From what little I
have read of him, Rupert IS the most like Ron.  Emma herself has stated, in
at least one interview I've seen, that she and Hermione are nothing alike.
On the other hand, we have also seen evidence that the kids are beginning to
become much more like their characters in personality.  (I'll point to the
essays they were asked to write about their characters, and Emma wrote
almost a chapter, Dan wrote a few pages, and Rupert got less than a page
done.)

As for Dan, I don't think he was saying that Dan is not a good actor or
anything... simply that it will be harder for him to get out of recognition
of his role than the others.  More extreme measures might have to be taken
by Dan to make him look less like he does in the movies... such as growing a
beard, moustache, or goatee and making sure he isn't in roles where he wears
glasses for a while.

Don't we all know of a number of actors, child or adult, who had a harder
time escaping their recognized roles than others?  For example:  Ron Howard
/ Ritchie Cunningham / Opie...  John Ritter / Jack Tripper...  Michael J.
Fox / Alex Keaton / Marty McFly...  Macaulay Culkin / Kevin (from Home
Alone)...  Henry Winkler / Arthur Fonzarelli... and virtually ANY of the
kids from Diff'rent Strokes, the Cosby Show, the Partridge Family, and
especially the Brady Bunch.

I think much of what he was saying was recognizing troubles along those
lines.

Just my two centaurs worth.

Iggy McSnurd







From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 20:26:10 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:26:10 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
Message-ID: <cdjv52+uump@eGroups.com>

Here's a quote from a report posted on mugglenet.com o fa Fan meetup 
with tom Felton (who plays Draco Malfoy) I found this mildly 
disturbing:

Tom Felton Fan Club Meetup reports
Here is a great report from dawniky's LiveJournal. One part of 
interest:

Dawn: Who do you think Draco will end up with, girl ? or boy wise? 
(Gotta love the slash)
Tom: *Thinks* I still think Hermione is going to turn evil and go out 
with him.
Dawn: But Hermione's with Ron! (ssssh Tom, it's okay, you haven't 
read the books
)
Tom: Ah yes *knowing I'm right*, but there aren't any girls for 
Draco, are there?
Dawn: There's Pansy, but she's
 *makes face*.
Tom: She isn't in the fourth one. You could try out for Draco's 
girlfriend
Dawn: *Blushes and grins madly* Is the ferret scene in the movie?
Tom: *Thinks what I'm talking about, then realises*, It's in the 
film, *laughs* I have to run across the school naked (I'm not sure if 
he is joking or not)
Dawn: REALLY?! *Jaw drops, blush turns red*
Fangirls behind me: sdgflkngsjbnglsfdbgsngs!!!!
Dawn: Well thanks; I'll look forward to seeing that, bye.

Eh? What? Come again? Did mine ears deceive me? I sincerely hope NOT! 
That's just too, too, ahm, too something, I don't know what, but I'd 
rather NOT have a "streaking" Draco in GoF. N.B.: I don't mean to say 
that he would actually streak, but that this "running naked through 
school" has something to do with the ferret business. It's still 
disturbing. Yikes.

Having said that, I suppose it's too early to start speculating (did 
I just say that? It is NEVER too early to start speculating for a 
Potterhead...)about scenes, they've only just started shooting.

Sophia

Sophia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Jul 20 20:29:45 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:29:45 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
References: <cdjv52+uump@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <039001c46e98$4c790360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Er, okay I'm still half asleep but what's so
disturbing about that?  Besides the fact that
the boy is too good at flirting and I'm
venturing to the Bad Place now.  I could
actually see this being a hilarious
scene...if it were true.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 21:05:43 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:05:43 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <039001c46e98$4c790360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cdk1f7+deo8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> Er, okay I'm still half asleep but what's so
> disturbing about that?  Besides the fact that
> the boy is too good at flirting and I'm
> venturing to the Bad Place now.  I could
> actually see this being a hilarious
> scene...if it were true.

I didn't find the little interview disturbing. Alhtough GoF is 
boiling with hidden hormones, and I do understand how this could be a 
funny scene I still would prefer people not get naked in HP, even if 
it's only implied, as it certainly would be. OK, there's that bathtub 
bit with Harry and Myrtle which was pretty funny, but I'd think I'd 
prefer it cut (And before anyone starts asking about it--there is NO 
info whatsoever on this either way): there are so many other films 
with all kinds of nudity, whether implied or actual, gratuitous or 
otherwise, whether to make a point or be humourous or whatever. I'd 
just prefer Harry-world to be a safe zone for just a little while 
longer--it's rather restful. Am I making any sense at all? Am I 
making a mountain out of a mole-hill? Well, what else are forums like 
these for? :-)

Sophia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Tue Jul 20 21:10:55 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:10:55 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <cdk1f7+deo8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c46e9e$0c9388a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

No I completely understand what you're
saying, but considering the book we're up to,
and all the other stuff that goes on in the
movie, I think a little implied nakedness
would lighten it up quite well for the
audience that usually goes to see the movie.
And no, I'm not just saying this as a Tom
Felton fangirl  (that part of me is running
around my brain squeeing).

Of course we don't know if this is for sure
or not so I guess we really should just wait
and see, for all we know, the scene or part
of could be cut just for the sheer fact of
time and plot before it even gets near the
final cut of the movie.

Saitaina
Who really needs to get the mental images out
of her brain for her own sanity.
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 20 21:24:40 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:24:40 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <001101c46e9e$0c9388a0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cdk2io+phjp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> No I completely understand what you're
> saying, but considering the book we're up to,
> and all the other stuff that goes on in the
> movie, I think a little implied nakedness
> would lighten it up quite well for the
> audience that usually goes to see the movie.
> And no, I'm not just saying this as a Tom
> Felton fangirl  (that part of me is running
> around my brain squeeing).
> 

Heh. Glad to have been the bringer of such potentially good news 
then.*lol*

Sophia




From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Tue Jul 20 21:53:14 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:53:14 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdjv52+uump@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdk48a+t27@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> Dawn: *Blushes and grins madly* Is the ferret scene in the movie?
> Tom: *Thinks what I'm talking about, then realises*, It's in the 
> film, *laughs* I have to run across the school naked (I'm not sure 
if 
> he is joking or not)
> Dawn: REALLY?! *Jaw drops, blush turns red*
> Fangirls behind me: sdgflkngsjbnglsfdbgsngs!!!!
> Eh? What? Come again? Did mine ears deceive me? I sincerely hope 
NOT! 
> That's just too, too, ahm, too something, I don't know what, but 
I'd 
> rather NOT have a "streaking" Draco in GoF. N.B.: I don't mean to 
say 
> that he would actually streak, but that this "running naked through 
> school" has something to do with the ferret business. It's still 
> disturbing. Yikes.




I think that Tom Felton was just having a little fun with his 
fangirls.




From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Jul 20 23:21:35 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:21:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
References: <cdjoli+gof4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c46eb0$4d083720$6601a8c0@DocSavage>



> Griffin782002 now:
>
> I think that Rubert is making the best performance. I like most when
> he makes all these faces. And to be honest, it is a bit worrying
> about the future of Daniel's career. Remember Mark Hammil? He has
> only appeared in some ridicilous movies. But I can't deny that his
> perfomance has improve.
>

Iggy here:

Actually, just to let you know.  Mark Hammil does more voice work than you
could POSSIBLY imagine, which is where most of his acting career is now.
(And, I should note, that it's at least as demanding and competitive an
acting arena as any other form of media.

Here's the IMDB link to show what he's been doing:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000434/

The most notable voices he's done lately is Wolverine in both a video and
video game, Larry 3000 from the cartoon "Time Squad" (one of my favorites),
The Joker (yes, that's the JOKER) in all the recent Batman cartoons by WB
(with guest appearances in Justice League as both the Joker and Solomon
Grundy... now THERE'S a voice difference.), and many other stints as a
starring or guest starring voice work role.

I know that's not directly HP related... but I happen to be a fan of a lot
of the different voice-over actors for cartoons and video games, Mark
Hammil's work included.  (You'd be AMAZED at some of the people who do
different voices out there.  Like David Thewlis himself... he did the voice
for Earthworm in "James and the Giant Peach.")


Iggy McSnurd






From CoyotesChild at charter.net  Tue Jul 20 23:25:14 2004
From: CoyotesChild at charter.net (Iggy McSnurd)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:25:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <cdk48a+t27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c46eb0$cf615b20$6601a8c0@DocSavage>


From: "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at ec.rr.com>
> 
> I think that Tom Felton was just having a little fun with his 
> fangirls.


Iggy here:

That's, of course, if it WAS really Tom Felton.

Iggy McSnurd






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Jul 21 00:53:19 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:53:19 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdk48a+t27@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdkepv+ciav@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at e...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
> wrote:
> > Dawn: *Blushes and grins madly* Is the ferret scene in the movie?
> > Tom: *Thinks what I'm talking about, then realises*, It's in the 
> > film, *laughs* I have to run across the school naked (I'm not 
sure 
> if 
> > he is joking or not)
> > Dawn: REALLY?! *Jaw drops, blush turns red*
> > Fangirls behind me: sdgflkngsjbnglsfdbgsngs!!!!
> > Eh? What? Come again? Did mine ears deceive me? I sincerely hope 
> NOT! 
> > That's just too, too, ahm, too something, I don't know what, but 
> I'd 
> > rather NOT have a "streaking" Draco in GoF. N.B.: I don't mean to 
> say 
> > that he would actually streak, but that this "running naked 
through 
> > school" has something to do with the ferret business. It's still 
> > disturbing. Yikes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think that Tom Felton was just having a little fun with his 
> fangirls.

I would tend to agree with you that he was joking. He rather jokes in 
interviews that I have seen of him. And if you ever visit his fansite 
he appears to be really tongue in cheek about many things. Except 
fishing. He seems to be ultra serious about that. I hope they do have 
the ferret scene - that was one of my favorites in GOF. I so want to 
see McGonnagal and Moody's exchange - '...you give dententions or 
speak to their head of house. Oh, I will do that then.' Absolutely, 
cracked me up. The part about this little exchange Tom had with his 
fans that troubles me though is him saying Pansy isn't in GOF. Then 
who goes to the ball with him? I heard the ball was in it. Also, Rita 
quotes Pansy when she writes the article on Hermione - the scarlett 
woman. Maybe he didn't realize the girl playing Pansy would still be 
in it if they haven't filmed that scene yet. As for his comment about 
Hermione turning evil - I think that is Tom's secret little wish as 
he mentions on his website that Emma is pretty and he says "I wish" 
when asked if he is dating her.

Theresa




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 04:08:41 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:08:41 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The trio's acting abilities
In-Reply-To: <cdjadi+3m4k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD236489.1253%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Marci" <blackgold101 at yahoo.com>


<snip>
Don't get me started on Emma Watson.  At some points in POA, she was
definitely 
good.  But she is still not consistent.  I can't stand her "ancient
runes" speech on the way to COMC.  I was happy she improved though.

[from Valerie]
I think all the kids improved this go 'round.
Particularly good Ron lines that I recall:
"You went all rigid; We thought you were having a fit or something.....
I felt like I'd never be cheerful again"
and of course, the tap-dancing spider dream is too, too cute!

Hermione
I love how she slaps Harry's hand as he reaches for the time-turner. And, in
her defense for those who thought she was too Super Woman in POA; she does
show a lack of foresight when Harry asks how they will rescue Sirius and she
replies "No idea!"; then, as the werewolf is galloping towards them, she
says "Oops, didn't think of that!"
And yes, I do think she needs to work on the timing of her delivery
(example: "Ow, Ron, that was my foot"; ill-timed and why did they put that
in there? Yes, it was in the book; but rather irrelevant, IMO, in regards to
more important stuff they left out.
When she jumps to Ron's defense in front of the Shrieking Shack, before
Malfoy calls her a filthy little mudblood
And yeah, I think her laugh is a bit fakey during the ancient runes speech.

Harry
The one line that bugged me due to ill-timing was when the train stops, Ron
asks why and Harry replies "Dunno, maybe blah blah blah" Can't recall exact
words, but it almost seemed like this was the first scene they shot for POA,
and he was a bit rusty?
Love the whole Patronus practice scene w/Lupin. Harry and Lupin talking so
honestly about James and Lily. The way they are sitting and interacting with
one another, etc. I think it's a very vulnerable and pivotal scene in the
film for Harry.
Even after 5 times I still get chills after his fantastic "EXPECTRO
PATRONUM!!!!" Very dramatic scene.




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 04:32:17 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:32:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <14.2eafa7ff.2e2eb492@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD236A11.1259%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: clshannon at aol.com
<snip>
Harry is a much more difficult character to play. There is more
progression, in fact, there is tremendous progression in the character and
psychological tidal waves that he must portray.


{from Valerie}

CIndy, I just have to say, I loved the "psychological tidal waves" in your
last post. Very prolific. :-)



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 04:50:21 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:50:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <039001c46e98$4c790360$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <BD236E4D.125A%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "saitaina" <saitaina at frontiernet.net>

Er, okay I'm still half asleep but what's so
disturbing about that?  Besides the fact that
the boy is too good at flirting and I'm
venturing to the Bad Place now.  I could
actually see this being a hilarious
scene...if it were true.

[from Valerie]
I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot, hot Draco streaking
across campus! >;-)
In fact, IMO, Tom should let his hair grow out and dye it white/blond like
Draco in POA. Yeah, yeah, I know that buzz cut look is in for guys right
now. Yuck.
Actually I'm just kidding... I'd love it as an added bonus on the DVD, but
wouldn't like them to interpret the book that drastically. I think he was
just flirting. He is, what 17, after all?! I think it's great how he is
embracing his fandom, having Fan Club parties, inviting everyone, etc. Sure,
it's going to his head. What boy wouldn't love a room full of girls (and
women, and probably a few boys!) fawning all over him?

PS. In reference to the Slash comment...Do you think Tom and the others read
the HP Fanfic? Probably, to get some laughs when there is down time on set?
He is so often paired up with Harry in Fanfic. Wonder what they think of
that?!?!?



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From clshannon at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 04:46:37 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:46:37 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
Message-ID: <a9.5cca3d54.2e2f4f2d@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/20/04 9:26:48 PM, valerie.flowe at verizon.net writes:


> CIndy, I just have to say, I loved the "psychological tidal waves" in your
> last post. Very prolific. :-)
> 

Why, thank you ;) I guess I had my own tidal wave of thought when I wrote 
that ;-)
Actually, to expound on this a bit, I think Rowling has written quite a 
complicated and difficult character in Harry. Often the protagonist has things 
happen to him and suffers in the characterization, whereas the people who surround 
him get all the juicy parts, so to speak.   A good example of this is 
Dickens' own David Copperfield. David is often described as the least interesting 
character in the book, but consider his competition <g>. There are so many 
colorful, now legendary characters surrounding him that he could only suffer by 
comparison.
However, Harry not only has all the important things happen 'to' him in terms 
of the story, but he also has nuances and shifts to his personality. This is 
partly because he is growing up and maturing, but it is also due to the things 
that 'do' happen to him. He is tossed about so much, psychologically, that is 
is a wonder that he can function ;-)
It's much harder to play a character with a turbulent inner life than it is 
to   play one who with a simpler inner life. This is not to say that Ron and 
Hermione and everyone else doesn't have more than one facet to them; they are 
fully realized characters and such do have many aspects to their personalities. 
But, they do not have the history that Harry has, which in itself is a gold 
mine for emotional and psychological problems (sorry, Harry, I love you dearly, 
but you really are a messed up boy <g>).
I can't imagine going from feeling invisible and trying to maintain that 
invisibility so as not to invite harsh treatment...to being the most famous person 
in a whole other world you didn't even know existed. It's mind boggling. 
So, not to ramble too much and get this way off topic...sorry...I would like 
to see a lot of adult actors handle a character with all this baggae who was 
an adult instead of a child growing up like Harry; the coming of age stuff adds 
an extra dimension to it that must be incorporated into the character. Not 
only does Harry have to deal with extraordinary things happening to him and 
accepting that he is unique, but he also has to mature and grow up like we all do. 
It is not an easy part and I think Dan has done a more than admirable job of 
it ;-)
Cindy


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 04:54:50 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:54:50 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdk1f7+deo8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD236F5A.125B%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at hotmail.com>

<snip>
OK, there's that bathtub  bit with Harry and Myrtle which was pretty funny,
but I'd think I'd prefer it cut (And before anyone starts asking about
it--there is NO 
info whatsoever on this either way): there are so many other films
with all kinds of nudity, whether implied or actual, gratuitous or
otherwise, whether to make a point or be humourous or whatever. I'd
just prefer Harry-world to be a safe zone for just a little while
longer--it's rather restful. Am I making any sense at all? Am I
making a mountain out of a mole-hill? Well, what else are forums like
these for? :-)

[from Valerie]
They say Myrtle is reprising her role in GOF, so I'm imagining (hoping!)
that scene is in there. They don't have to show nudity to get the point
across that she's snickering at him. I've been thinking a lot about that
scene lately (not necessarily the Myrtle part), but how they would film the
fact that this is a huge tub of indeterminate depth, with automatic bubbles.
Sounds magical. I want one!



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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 04:48:47 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:48:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <000401c46e92$4caaa970$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <20040721044847.43718.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Iggy McSnurd <CoyotesChild at charter.net> wrote:
> I think that the main thing he's saying is that,
> after being in the HP
> movies, and identified so strongly with the
> characters that they portray,
> many of the kids (especially the trio) run the risk
> of being type cast in
> similar roles... 

> As for Dan, I don't think he was saying that Dan is
> not a good actor or
> anything... simply that it will be harder for him to
> get out of recognition
> of his role than the others.  

I agree with Iggy's take on Thewlis's quote. I don't
believe he was questioning Daniel's talent in the
least. No one (or, at least, few people) question
Elijah Wood's talent, but it's pretty universally
acknowledged that escaping from Frodo Baggins is going
to take some extra effort on his part - and, from what
I've read, he's choosing his subsequent roles with
that in mind, picking parts that are about as far from
Frodo as he can get (like a serial killer in "Sin
City" which is now filming).

Of course, Elijah has the benefit of having played
many different roles before becoming Frodo; Daniel
hasn't played that many. So it may be more difficult
for him to break away from Harry, but it can be done.
I think Thewlis was just remarking on how difficult it
may be, though it's no fault of Dan's.

Lanthiriel


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 05:19:31 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:19:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <BD236E4D.125A%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20040721051931.19237.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
> [from Valerie]
> I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot,
> hot Draco streaking
> across campus! >;-)

I don't think I have a problem with it (I'm sure it
would be tastefully done - I doubt WB wants to tank
the film at the box office by getting it slapped with
an R rating!), although I can't figure out how that
would fit in with the ferret scene. More importantly,
I truly hope they keep the little conversation
afterwards, where Moody says he's looking forward to
talking with Draco's head of house, his "old friend"
Snape. (I've been re-reading GoF and just got the
significance of that comment)

Though personally, if the film-makers are going to
diverge from the book, I'd much rather they come up
with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked across
the campus. ;)

Lanthiriel


	
		
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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Wed Jul 21 06:21:17 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:21:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
References: <20040721051931.19237.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c46eea$ef3d6f80$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Lanthiriel wrote:

<Though personally, if the film-makers are
going to
diverge from the book, I'd much rather they
come up
with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked
across
the campus.>

Well they could diverge and have Moody slap
both Malfoys with the hex and thus hit two
fangirl camps at once with a naked!Malfoy
scene...okay, the mental pictures just
returned...must wonder off to giggle madly.

No, but the scene could work considering the
transformation could take Draco's clothes
with it...it's happened in other media
representations of human/animal
transformations.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From lani.wright at verizon.net  Wed Jul 21 08:53:36 2004
From: lani.wright at verizon.net (laniw01)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:53:36 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
Message-ID: <cdlaug+v134@eGroups.com>

>Iggy here:

<snip>
"Don't we all know of a number of actors, child or adult, who had a 
harder time escaping their recognized roles than others? For example: 
Ron Howard / Ritchie Cunningham / Opie... John Ritter / Jack 
Tripper... Michael J. Fox / Alex Keaton / Marty McFly... Macaulay 
Culkin / Kevin (from Home Alone)... Henry Winkler / Arthur 
Fonzarelli... and virtually ANY of the kids from Diff'rent Strokes, 
the Cosby Show, the Partridge Family, and especially the Brady Bunch.

"I think much of what he was saying was recognizing troubles along 
those
lines."

laniw01:

I am reminded of an even stronger British parallel. Does anyone 
remember Gemma Craven from The Slipper and the Rose? After a lengthy 
but unsuccessful search for the perfect Cinderella, she 
was "discovered" in a local British theater production, and cast with 
much fanfare. (Sound familiar?) She did a superb job in the film, 
holding her own against an experienced and venerated cast, and 
then...obscurity. I interpret Thewlis' statement as a cautionary 
warning to all three young actors that, through no fault of their 
own, they could end up following the same path. 





From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 21 12:45:29 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:45:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <20040721051931.19237.qmail@web53508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c46f20$9b3efe90$0400a8c0@pensive>

The people I live with have four kids, ranging in age from 4 to 14.  If
there is anyone streaking in future movies, the younger kids won't be
allowed to see the movie.  The books are growing more adult and dark as they
go along, but WB has always marketed these movies to kids, and I hope they
don't stop now.  I'd hate to have any kids have to miss out on the HP movies
because of a little streaking that has absolutely nothing to do with the
plot.  As far as Harry in the bath tub and Myrtle, they can figure out a way
to do that appropriately for children.

Sherry


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From: Lanthiriel S [mailto:isilvalacirca at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:20 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?


--- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
> [from Valerie]
> I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot,
> hot Draco streaking
> across campus! >;-)

I don't think I have a problem with it (I'm sure it
would be tastefully done - I doubt WB wants to tank
the film at the box office by getting it slapped with
an R rating!), although I can't figure out how that
would fit in with the ferret scene. More importantly,
I truly hope they keep the little conversation
afterwards, where Moody says he's looking forward to
talking with Draco's head of house, his "old friend"
Snape. (I've been re-reading GoF and just got the
significance of that comment)

Though personally, if the film-makers are going to
diverge from the book, I'd much rather they come up
with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked across
the campus. ;)

Lanthiriel


	
		
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From christin.gahnstrom at telia.com  Wed Jul 21 13:08:53 2004
From: christin.gahnstrom at telia.com (cgahnstrm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:08:53 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <001501c46f20$9b3efe90$0400a8c0@pensive>
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I find myself more and more intrigued by this thread. Why is a 
brief flash of nudity inapropriate for children? At what age can a 
person watch someone nude on screen (in a non-sexual 
context)? Those of you that find this so unsuitable, wich country 
do you all come from? 

I am really not trying to be sarcastic or rude, I'm just curious.

Christin




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at e...> wrote:
> The people I live with have four kids, ranging in age from 4 to 
14.  If
> there is anyone streaking in future movies, the younger kids 
won't be
> allowed to see the movie.  The books are growing more adult 
and dark as they
> go along, but WB has always marketed these movies to kids, 
and I hope they
> don't stop now.  I'd hate to have any kids have to miss out on 
the HP movies
> because of a little streaking that has absolutely nothing to do 
with the
> plot.  As far as Harry in the bath tub and Myrtle, they can figure 
out a way
> to do that appropriately for children.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lanthiriel S [mailto:isilvalacirca at y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:20 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
> 
> 
> --- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > [from Valerie]
> > I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot,
> > hot Draco streaking
> > across campus! >;-)
> 
> I don't think I have a problem with it (I'm sure it
> would be tastefully done - I doubt WB wants to tank
> the film at the box office by getting it slapped with
> an R rating!), although I can't figure out how that
> would fit in with the ferret scene. More importantly,
> I truly hope they keep the little conversation
> afterwards, where Moody says he's looking forward to
> talking with Draco's head of house, his "old friend"
> Snape. (I've been re-reading GoF and just got the
> significance of that comment)
> 
> Though personally, if the film-makers are going to
> diverge from the book, I'd much rather they come up
> with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked across
> the campus. ;)
> 
> Lanthiriel
> 
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From sherriola at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 21 13:21:41 2004
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:21:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdlpt5+9ho7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c46f25$aa48d730$0400a8c0@pensive>

I'm from the USA.  But I didn't say I find it offensive either way.  I don't
have kids.  But people have the right to choose what their kids are allowed
to see, and many parents don't want them to see that till they are a little
older.  The friends I live with are just now letting their 14-year-old son
attend movies on his own before they view it to see if it's suitable.  He
can't go to R rated movies of course, because he couldn't get in.  He's a
loving, well-adjusted boy, who has great compassion and tenderness for small
kids and animals.  His parents haven't hurt him by guarding what he saw on
TV or in movies till they felt he was old enough to handle it.  But they
might not let the ten year old see a movie with someone streaking.  and
definitely not the four year old.  The way they would handle it is to wait
for the video to come out, watch the movie with the kids and fast forward
past violence, strong language and nudity or sex scenes.  

and before anyone jumps on me, I didn't say that parents who don't feel like
this are bad parents.  I said that parents have a right to choose either
way, what their kids see.  Since there are still a lot of parents who would
not want their kids to see someone streaking, which might be quite a bit
different than seeing someone in a bath or shower--implications and all
that--I'd hate to see this happen in the movies and have kids miss out on
the experience of seeing the movie.

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: cgahnstrm [mailto:christin.gahnstrom at telia.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:09 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?


I find myself more and more intrigued by this thread. Why is a 
brief flash of nudity inapropriate for children? At what age can a 
person watch someone nude on screen (in a non-sexual 
context)? Those of you that find this so unsuitable, wich country 
do you all come from? 

I am really not trying to be sarcastic or rude, I'm just curious.

Christin




--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" 
<sherriola at e...> wrote:
> The people I live with have four kids, ranging in age from 4 to 
14.  If
> there is anyone streaking in future movies, the younger kids 
won't be
> allowed to see the movie.  The books are growing more adult 
and dark as they
> go along, but WB has always marketed these movies to kids, 
and I hope they
> don't stop now.  I'd hate to have any kids have to miss out on 
the HP movies
> because of a little streaking that has absolutely nothing to do 
with the
> plot.  As far as Harry in the bath tub and Myrtle, they can figure 
out a way
> to do that appropriately for children.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lanthiriel S [mailto:isilvalacirca at y...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:20 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
> 
> 
> --- Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> > [from Valerie]
> > I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot,
> > hot Draco streaking
> > across campus! >;-)
> 
> I don't think I have a problem with it (I'm sure it
> would be tastefully done - I doubt WB wants to tank
> the film at the box office by getting it slapped with
> an R rating!), although I can't figure out how that
> would fit in with the ferret scene. More importantly,
> I truly hope they keep the little conversation
> afterwards, where Moody says he's looking forward to
> talking with Draco's head of house, his "old friend"
> Snape. (I've been re-reading GoF and just got the
> significance of that comment)
> 
> Though personally, if the film-makers are going to
> diverge from the book, I'd much rather they come up
> with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked across
> the campus. ;)
> 
> Lanthiriel
> 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 14:31:03 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:31:03 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what?
Message-ID: <89.101e6631.2e2fd827@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2004 8:47:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Cindy  wrote:  A lot of folks seem to forget that Dan was in two hours of 
David  Copperfield 
as the title character, once again the protagonist whom the  action of the 
piece was revolving around. He wasn't just in a few scenes  like in Tailor of 
Panama. He had a lot of screen time in Copperfield and  the character, 
although a 
young child, still had to navigate some pretty  difficult emotions and 
actions. 
Dan has had a rather challenging acting  life so far ;-) I wouldn't mind 
seeing 
him do a character that maybe  didn't have to have so much inner life going 
on; 
maybe something lighter,  just to see how he handles it.



I've read about that David Copperfield show and would love to see  it 
sometime.  Maggie Smith and some other HP movie actors are also in  it.  It's not on 
DVD in the stores around here (I've checked!)  I  think Dan would be terrific 
in a comedy -- he has a great sense of humor and  seems to have a good sense 
of timing -- and he's been practicing his "stand up  act" on Robbie Coultrane, 
from what Coultrane has said in some interview or  other (he said Dan's always 
trying out jokes on him).  I can see Dan doing  some romantic comedies as 
well as dramas and character parts in the  future.
 
As for what Thewlis said about Dan needing to shave his head or  grow a beard 
to get other roles -- don't go giving that boy ideas!!!   heehee  Seriously, 
Dan probably will have to change his look for some  films, but as a serious 
actor (as he seems to be), that's pretty much  understood.  How often have we 
Americans seen Alan Rickman with his own  light hair?  Not that often.  He's 
often in a wig or has his hair  dyed, I suppose.  (I loved him as the deliciously 
evil and scenery-chewing  Sheriff of Nottingham in Kevin Costner's "Robin 
Hood:  Prince of Thieves"  -- Rickman MADE that movie!   ;->)



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 14:39:40 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:39:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
Message-ID: <15c.39c5c442.2e2fda2c@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2004 8:47:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I'd  
rather NOT have a "streaking" Draco in GoF. N.B.: I don't mean to say  
that he would actually streak, but that this "running naked through  
school" has something to do with the ferret business. It's still  
disturbing. Yikes.

Having said that, I suppose it's too early to  start speculating (did 
I just say that? It is NEVER too early to start  speculating for a 
Potterhead...)about scenes, they've only just started  shooting.

Sophia



Tom's 17 now, I think it may be illegal for him to be naked  in a film at 
that age, right?  In the US, that's underage, I don't know  about Britain.  (I'm 
glad they kept the ferret in!!)  I think it will  be interesting to see how 
they handle the Prefect's bathroom scene with Harry,  heehee.  And I'm wondering 
if Harry will be swimming (in the second task)  in full robes or if he'll 
have enough sense to take off some layers despite the  cold water.  Reading about 
him just taking his shoes off before getting in  the lake, and thinking about 
the robes they normally wear, I wondered how he  managed not to drown purely 
from the drag of all that clothing (and yes, I do  remember the gillyweed).  
On Dandradcliffe.com, they have some clips from  CartoonNetwork where Dan's 
answering some questions from the hosts, one of which  is about Harry's scars.  
Dan says they've already done the dragon scene and  he has WAY cool scars here, 
here, here, here (indicating places on his shoulder,  chest and back) from 
the Horntail's tail.  So progress is being made on the  filming!  Wish we'd get 
more news about it!  

Lynda

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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 14:40:56 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:40:56 -0000
Subject: The trio's acting abilities
In-Reply-To: <BD236489.1253%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <cdlv9o+jto2@eGroups.com>

 Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> From: "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...>
> 
> 
> <snip>
> Don't get me started on Emma Watson.  At some points in POA, she was
> definitely 
> good.  But she is still not consistent.  I can't stand her "ancient
> runes" speech on the way to COMC.  I was happy she improved though.
> 
> [from Valerie]
> I think all the kids improved this go 'round.
> Particularly good Ron lines that I recall:
> "You went all rigid; We thought you were having a fit or 
something.....
> I felt like I'd never be cheerful again"
> and of course, the tap-dancing spider dream is too, too cute!
> 
> Hermione
> I love how she slaps Harry's hand as he reaches for the time-
turner. And, in
> her defense for those who thought she was too Super Woman in POA; 
she does
> show a lack of foresight when Harry asks how they will rescue 
Sirius and she
> replies "No idea!"; then, as the werewolf is galloping towards 
them, she
> says "Oops, didn't think of that!"
> And yes, I do think she needs to work on the timing of her delivery
> (example: "Ow, Ron, that was my foot"; ill-timed and why did they 
put that
> in there? Yes, it was in the book; but rather irrelevant, IMO, in 
regards to
> more important stuff they left out.
> When she jumps to Ron's defense in front of the Shrieking Shack, 
before
> Malfoy calls her a filthy little mudblood
> And yeah, I think her laugh is a bit fakey during the ancient runes 
speech.
> 
> Harry
> The one line that bugged me due to ill-timing was when the train 
stops, Ron
> asks why and Harry replies "Dunno, maybe blah blah blah" Can't 
recall exact
> words, but it almost seemed like this was the first scene they shot 
for POA,
> and he was a bit rusty?
> Love the whole Patronus practice scene w/Lupin. Harry and Lupin 
talking so
> honestly about James and Lily. The way they are sitting and 
interacting with
> one another, etc. I think it's a very vulnerable and pivotal scene 
in the
> film for Harry.
> Even after 5 times I still get chills after his fantastic "EXPECTRO
> PATRONUM!!!!" Very dramatic scene.

I am in total agreement about the slapping of Harry's hand by 
Hermione.  To me, that was her best moment, very natural.  Super 
Hermione is entirely Steve Kloves' fault, not Emma Watson's.  
Yes, "Ouch, Ron, that was my foot," was ill timed, as was "Just 
forget it" (a friend pointed out).

For Ron's lines, he had some good ones and his delivery was great, 
not strained, no pauses.  The one you mentioned on the train is a 
good example.  I really can't think of a place where he faltered.  
(Someone please help.) "You're gonna suffer but you're gonna be 
happy...about it."  LOL

I was finally impressed by Dan in POA.  But the Aunt Marge scene was 
not strong for him.  And you were looking for, "Dunno.  Maybe we've 
broken down."

Marci




From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 14:51:20 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:51:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
Message-ID: <19d.2733f9f5.2e2fdce8@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2004 8:47:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

OK,  there's that bathtub 
bit with Harry and Myrtle which was pretty funny, but  I'd think I'd 
prefer it cut (And before anyone starts asking about  it--there is NO 
info whatsoever on this either way): there are so many  other films 
with all kinds of nudity, whether implied or actual,  gratuitous or 
otherwise, whether to make a point or be humourous or  whatever. I'd 
just prefer Harry-world to be a safe zone for just a little  while 
longer--it's rather restful. Am I making any sense at all? Am I  
making a mountain out of a mole-hill? Well, what else are forums like  
these for? :-)

Sophia




I've been looking forward to that scene and the second task ever  since I 
read the book.  I'd LOVE to see a swimming pool-sized bathtub with  lots of 
colorful foam and see somebody try to swim in it - what a concept,  LOL!  
Seriously, though, these are NOT little kids' books.  In order  to keep the movie 
franchise going, they are going to have to draw the teen and  adult audience, 
because the books are so dark, the parents of young kids won't  bring them (which 
is probably wise, I suppose).  I hope they keep the  movies as dark and mature 
as the books are.  A little "skin" isn't a  bad thing, and if they keep it the 
way the book is, it will be fine (well, the  bathtub scene does leave you 
wondering how much Myrtle saw, but it doesn't TELL  you how much she saw!  heehee 
 And that's part of the fun of it,  keeping the reader guessing and poor 
Harry worried. . .)   

Lynda

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From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 21 13:53:23 2004
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:53:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdlpt5+9ho7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040721135323.22748.qmail@web81106.mail.yahoo.com>

> --- Valerie Flowe wrote:
> > [from Valerie]
> > I would have absolutely NO problems seeing hot, hot,
> > hot Draco streaking
> > across campus! >;-)

> Lanthiriel wrote: 
> I don't think I have a problem with it (I'm sure it
> would be tastefully done - I doubt WB wants to tank
> the film at the box office by getting it slapped with
> an R rating!), although I can't figure out how that
> would fit in with the ferret scene. More importantly,
> I truly hope they keep the little conversation
> afterwards, where Moody says he's looking forward to
> talking with Draco's head of house, his "old friend"
> Snape. (I've been re-reading GoF and just got the
> significance of that comment)
> 
> Though personally, if the film-makers are going to
> diverge from the book, I'd much rather they come up
> with some excuse to have Lucius streak naked across
> the campus. ;)


I don't get why anyone would assume that a "streaking Draco" would entail a flash of nudity on the screen.  Actual nudity would be gratituous.  If this scene is filmed, you know that all anyone will see will probably be a chest and legs with the implication of nudity.
 
Rae




From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 15:08:49 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:08:49 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco?
Message-ID: <98.101c3900.2e2fe101@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/21/2004 9:45:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Since  there are still a lot of parents who would
not want their kids to see  someone streaking, which might be quite a bit
different than seeing someone  in a bath or shower--implications and all
that--I'd hate to see this happen  in the movies and have kids miss out on
the experience of seeing the  movie.

Sherry



I think, given the tone of books 4 and beyond, WB is going to have  to go for 
a PG-13 to R rating to capture the story.  These "older" books  aren't meant 
for little kids.  JKR is writing for herself, so she's  said.  That's one of 
the reasons the books have such wide appeal, because  she's not writing them 
like books for kids -- they have depth and layers of  meaning and big, long, 
hard words (and concepts and experiences!) that are  beyond anything MY kids were 
exposed to, and both of them have wonderfully  complex vocabularies (they're 
both in their 20's now).  Maybe those with  little kids can watch the "edited 
for TV" versions of the later movies.  If  the movies want to draw a seriously 
"deep" (broad age range, good INCOME $$$$$)  audience, they will gear the 
movies toward the teen and young adult audience,  especially since Dan and Emma 
have already (at the young age of 14) reached  "heart throb" status (according 
to the media).  WB would be stupid to  pass up such an economic opportunity, 
and they'd be being true to the books as  well, to gear films 4-7 to teens and 
adults.  That's the target audience of  those books.  I know adults who read 
the HP books to their little kids who  have to skip sections they consider too 
intense or whatever for their  kids.  That's wise of them, in their situation. 
 I hope WB doesn't do  the same thing.  Bring on the mature HP movies in all 
their  intensity!!!!  Bring those books to filmic life!  YEAH!
 
Oh, and for the person who mentioned transforming to an animal  making you 
lose your clothes -- that was in PoA and didn't make sense, since  Sirius didn't 
lose his clothes when he became a dog (when he was a man again, he  was fully 
clothed).  But I can see how they could come up with the idea  that Malfoy, 
after being turned back into a human, would be nude -- and it would  be very 
funny!  As for Tom being underage, that's what body suits and body  doubles are 
for.  But I suspect Tom is just teasing, anyway.  That  seems to be his way.
 
Lynda

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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 17:00:35 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <20040721135323.22748.qmail@web81106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20040721170035.46358.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Rae Callaway <tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I don't get why anyone would assume that a
> "streaking Draco" would entail a flash of nudity on
> the screen.  Actual nudity would be gratituous.  If
> this scene is filmed, you know that all anyone will
> see will probably be a chest and legs with the
> implication of nudity.

Excellent point Rae, you're absolutely right. All we'd
need to see is a shirtless Draco running off with a
horrified look on his face and a bunch of kids
doubled-over laughing behind him to understand what
happened.

Lanthiriel


		
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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 17:03:45 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:03:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what?
In-Reply-To: <89.101e6631.2e2fd827@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040721170345.91757.qmail@web53507.mail.yahoo.com>

--- artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
> I've read about that David Copperfield show and
> would love to see  it 
> sometime.  Maggie Smith and some other HP movie
> actors are also in  it.  It's not on 
> DVD in the stores around here (I've checked!)  

If you're in the US, I'd check your local library.
More often than not these days they have pretty fair
video/DVD collections, and usually a lot of the stuff
that's shown on Masterpiece Theatre, as Copperfield
was. And, as a last resort, you can probably buy a
copy directly from PBS.

Lanthiriel


	
		
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From redina at silverbloom.net  Wed Jul 21 17:53:50 2004
From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <000401c46eb0$4d083720$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
References: <cdjoli+gof4@eGroups.com>
    <000401c46eb0$4d083720$6601a8c0@DocSavage>
Message-ID: <1184.4.12.232.41.1090432430.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net>

Iggy McSnurd said:

> different voices out there.  Like David Thewlis himself... he did the
> voice
> for Earthworm in "James and the Giant Peach.")

Gives a new spin on the subject of 'Thewlis said what?'

Dina





From clshannon at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 18:04:48 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:04:48 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what?
Message-ID: <15d.3a6b7dae.2e300a40@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/21/04 7:35:02 AM, artsylynda at aol.com writes:


> 
> 
> I've read about that David Copperfield show and would love to see? it
> sometime.? Maggie Smith and some other HP movie actors are also in? it.? 
> It's not on
> DVD in the stores around here (I've checked!)?
> 

It's available on Amazon, at least that's where I bought it. And it's not 
expensive either ;) It was well worth it, although I find myself only watching 
the first part with Dan. I don't care for the guy they cast as the adult David <
g>
Cindy
P.S. On an added DC note, I noticed that Bob Hoskins tends to be at the 
premieres of the HP movies and he played McCawber in DC with Dan. He also had some 
really complimentary things to say about Dan in an interview he gave a few 
years afterwards. I think he also mentioned how he would love to be in an HP 
movie. I always thought he would be a great addition to the cast, although I 
haven't decided in what role ;-)


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From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Wed Jul 21 18:40:25 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:40:25 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what?
In-Reply-To: <15d.3a6b7dae.2e300a40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cdmdap+2bgt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, clshannon at a... wrote:
> P.S. On an added DC note, I noticed that Bob Hoskins tends to be at 
the 
> premieres of the HP movies and he played McCawber in DC with Dan. 
He also had some 
> really complimentary things to say about Dan in an interview he 
gave a few 
> years afterwards. I think he also mentioned how he would love to be 
in an HP 
> movie. I always thought he would be a great addition to the cast, 
although I 
> haven't decided in what role ;-)







Bob Hoskins would've made a fantastic Moody. How about Mundungus 
Fletcher




From scully931 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 19:47:28 2004
From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:47:28 -0000
Subject: The trio's acting abilities
In-Reply-To: <cdlv9o+jto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmh8g+c8gc@eGroups.com>

<snip>
> 
> I was finally impressed by Dan in POA.  But the Aunt Marge scene 
was 
> not strong for him.  And you were looking for, "Dunno.  Maybe 
we've 
> broken down."
> 
> Marci

Yes, that Aunt Marge scene had many problems. I mean, the actual 
blowing up was funny enough. But, seriously, the button hitting 
Dudley twice, didn't make me laugh. (I know, I know... there will 
probably be a bunch of people say they thought it was hysterical. To 
each his own. I thought it was cheap humor.) Anyway, my main problem 
with that scene is that the blowing up of Marge took so long that 
the thru line of the scene - Harry's anger - was *completely* lost. 
That is *such* and important scene, not only in terms of POA, but 
the series in general for it's the first time he *really* stands up 
to the Dursleys. 

Yes, Emma seems to have a strange habit of giving a little laugh 
before the majority of her lines. Hard to tell if no one has told 
her not to or if the director has tried to no avail. I ask again - 
does anyone know if these kids have an acting coach on set?! The 
mere fact that they were so impressed with Alfonso asking them to 
write essays about their characters tells me they have never seen an 
acting coach. Or, at least not one worth their weight. I teach 
acting for a living and can tell you having students write about 
their characters is extremely basic acting. Acting 101, if you will. 
On a side note, I can't tell you how many of my students saw those 
comments and asked the age old question how do some people step into 
such great roles and others, who work at this day and night, and are 
really talented never get so much as a commercial. Ah, well... 
that's showbiz. 

Anyway, they have improved greatly. But, they would have been so 
much better to begin with if they had good coaching. At least as 
they get older, they're obviously finding out, by trial and error, 
what does and doesn't work.  

Ok, I promised myself I was *not* going to write another rant about 
the acting. But, I couldn't help myself. That is the last one. Until 
GOF. 

~Deborah







From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 20:50:52 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thewlis said what?
In-Reply-To: <15d.3a6b7dae.2e300a40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040721205052.6553.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>

--- clshannon at aol.com wrote:
 I think he also mentioned how he
> would love to be in an HP 
> movie. I always thought he would be a great addition
> to the cast, although I 
> haven't decided in what role ;-)

I always thought Bob Hoskins would make a great Fudge.
Alas, that didn't happen - but Robert Hardy is
excellent, so I'm not disappointed. Hmm, is there
anyone in the Order that we meet in OotP that he could
play?

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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 21 21:14:42 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what?
In-Reply-To: <89.101e6631.2e2fd827@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cdmmc2+sv5m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:

> I've read about that David Copperfield show and would love to see  
it 
> sometime.  Maggie Smith and some other HP movie actors are also in  
it.  It's not on 
> DVD in the stores around here (I've checked!) 

I've seen it, and was absolutely delighted. I bought my dvd from 
amazon.co.uk , it's a bbc production. However, if you ordred it and 
you're in the states you'd need a region free dvd player to watch it.

Sophia




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Jul 21 21:19:09 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:19:09 -0000
Subject: Casting for Movies to come (was: Thewlis said what?)
In-Reply-To: <cdmdap+2bgt@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmmkd+m2tj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "mcmaxslb" <McGregorMax at e...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, clshannon at a... wrote:
> > P.S. On an added DC note, I noticed that Bob Hoskins tends to be 
at 
> the 
> > premieres of the HP movies and he played McCawber in DC with Dan. 
> He also had some 
> > really complimentary things to say about Dan in an interview he 
> gave a few 
> > years afterwards. I think he also mentioned how he would love to 
be 
> in an HP 
> > movie. I always thought he would be a great addition to the cast, 
> although I 
> > haven't decided in what role ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Hoskins would've made a fantastic Moody. How about Mundungus 
> Fletcher

Oooh, yes I totally agree. I never thought about him doing Mundungus. 
I have struggled to think who would do him justice. You know the 
absentminded, not too responsible and somewhat of a lush but 
basically good guy wizard. I loved Bob in Hook and he and Ralph 
Fiennes were IMHO the ONLY saving grace for Maid in Manhattan. In 
case you don't remember him he was the lead butler at the hotel. But 
yes, I would love to see him play Mundungus. 

Personally I had been rooting for Sir Anthony Hopkins for Moody 
though I knew that was a pipe dream. 

Mostly, I am curious as to who is going to play Narcissa, and 
Bellatrix. I want Kristin Scott Thomas for Narcissa and Natasha 
Wightman for Bellatrix. I loved both of them in Gosford Park and they 
were such perfectly snobby rich people in that movie that I 
immediately thought of these two characters. And Natasha has that 
dark brooding look about her.

Theresa




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Jul 21 21:22:59 2004
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:22:59 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what?
In-Reply-To: <cdmmc2+sv5m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdmmrj+lshe@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at h...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
> 
> > I've read about that David Copperfield show and would love to 
see  
> it 
> > sometime.  Maggie Smith and some other HP movie actors are also 
in  
> it.  It's not on 
> > DVD in the stores around here (I've checked!) 
> 
> I've seen it, and was absolutely delighted. I bought my dvd from 
> amazon.co.uk , it's a bbc production. However, if you ordred it and 
> you're in the states you'd need a region free dvd player to watch 
it.
> 
> Sophia

They also have it at Barnes and Noble.com. Here is the link:

http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?
userid=pi62UhliEK&EAN=783421365094&FRM=0&itm=2

I have been considering purchasing it. Not just because Dan, Bob and 
Maggie are in it but it is a great story for the kids.

Theresa




From clshannon at aol.com  Wed Jul 21 21:29:02 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:29:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Thewlis said what?
Message-ID: <59.111d1659.2e303a1e@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/21/04 2:15:48 PM, sophiamcl at hotmail.com writes:


> I've seen it, and was absolutely delighted. I bought my dvd from
> amazon.co.uk , it's a bbc production. However, if you ordred it and
> you're in the states you'd need a region free dvd player to watch it.
> 

Hmm, I don't think so. I ordered it from Amazon US and my DVD player can play 
back only discs whose Region Code numbers include "1". I'm not an expert, but 
I assume that means my DVD player ISN'T Region free. But I could be wrong.
That's the   David   Copperfield DVD, in case folks forgot what the thread 
was.
Cindy


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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 23:05:31 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting for Movies to come (was: Thewlis said what?)
In-Reply-To: <cdmmkd+m2tj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040721230531.3210.qmail@web53501.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Theresa <anmsmom333 at cox.net> wrote:
> Mostly, I am curious as to who is going to play
> Narcissa, and 
> Bellatrix. I want Kristin Scott Thomas for Narcissa

Oh yes, that's been my choice for ages. Nobody does
rich and snobby like Kristin Scott Thomas!

> and Natasha 
> Wightman for Bellatrix. 

For Bellatrix I've always imagined someone like Helena
Bonham Carter, who has a sort of dark, brooding, evil
fairy look about her (no offense, Helena!), or a
dirtier, careworn Catherine Zeta Jones.

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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 02:25:06 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:25:06 -0000
Subject: More Casting (Thewlis said what?)
In-Reply-To: <20040721205052.6553.qmail@web53509.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdn8i2+gv1u@eGroups.com>

 Lanthiriel S <isilvalacirca at y...> wrote:
> --- clshannon at a... wrote:
>  I think he also mentioned how he
> > would love to be in an HP 
> > movie. I always thought he would be a great addition
> > to the cast, although I 
> > haven't decided in what role ;-)
> 
> I always thought Bob Hoskins would make a great Fudge.
> Alas, that didn't happen - but Robert Hardy is
> excellent, so I'm not disappointed. Hmm, is there
> anyone in the Order that we meet in OotP that he could
> play?
> 
> Lanthiriel

I have Ian Holm down, but how about Mundungus?  That would work.

Marci




From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com  Thu Jul 22 10:09:06 2004
From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com)
Date: 22 Jul 2004 10:09:06 -0000
Subject: Renting 'David Copperfield' (Was: Thewlis said what?)
Message-ID: <1090490946.2514337368.29439.sendItem@bloglines.com>

For those who want to watch 'David Copperfield' but don't want to buy it (and
I don't blame you - I was entertained but I doubt I'd ever watch it again),
there's always online DVD rental. Most sites have a free trial so there's
no commitment. I rented it from Mentura.com ('educational' DVDs, 30 day trial,
ships from CA), but Netflix has it too (http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60025195),
as does GreenCine.com (although I'm not sure GreenCine currently offers a
free trial). It looks like Walmart and the new Blockbuster Online do not.
I'd be lost without my Netflix subscription. :-)

Incidentally, I completely
agree with what David Thewlis said. Rupert is the most natural actor of the
three. In my opinion, dating back to the first film, Rupert has always given
the freshest, least studied performance. The problem is the scripts rarely
give Ron anything to do other than look stunned and go "Wicked!". Harry's
the hero, Hermione spouts exposition, and Ron provides the bit of comic relief
to end the scene. Thank goodness POA started shaking up that format. Hopefully
it'll continue with GOF.


Manda
--
http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 14:48:13 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:48:13 -0000
Subject: More Casting (Thewlis said what?)
In-Reply-To: <cdn8i2+gv1u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdok3d+k5ld@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...> 
wrote:

 I have Ian Holm down, but how about Mundungus?  That would work.
> 
> Marci



Griffin782002 now:

If you mean that Ian Holm should have played Fudge, I can't disagree 
with you. In fact when I first read C.o.S. he was the first person 
to pop into my mind.
 But I am not sure about Mundungus. I think, exept being short, tihs 
character is also fat. And Ian Holm doesn't look like that, unless 
of course they make modifications, as they did with Lupin, but I 
didn't like them too much.

Griffin782002




From joj at rochester.rr.com  Thu Jul 22 16:04:46 2004
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:04:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The trio's acting abilities
References: <BD236489.1253%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c47005$9c04e390$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>

>[from Valerie]
I think all the kids improved this go 'round.
Particularly good Ron lines that I recall:
"You went all rigid; We thought you were having a fit or something.....
I felt like I'd never be cheerful again"
and of course, the tap-dancing spider dream is too, too cute!

Joj:
I'm one who really didn't care for Rupert's delivery of the line  "I felt
like I'd never be cheerful again".  The most impressive acting of his, for
me, was him being dragged into the whomping willow.










From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 22 16:56:01 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:56:01 -0000
Subject: Harry's character. Was: re: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <a9.5cca3d54.2e2f4f2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cdorj1+434e@eGroups.com>

This has almost nothing to do with what you're talking about, but 
reading your post made me think about it.
While I am re-reading the books as well as when I was reading them 
the first time, I couldn't help thinking about this:
I wonder why J.K.Rowlig, as a woman made "Harry" a boy. I have a 
feeling that most authors make their main character the same sex as 
they are, because that's what they know best. 
Because I'm not a boy I cannot say if she has managed to make Harry a 
believable boy. So could I get an answer from some guys here? Do you 
think she has managed it?

>From Pernille who probably thinks too much :)


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, clshannon at a... wrote:


> Why, thank you ;) I guess I had my own tidal wave of thought when I 
wrote 
> that ;-)
> Actually, to expound on this a bit, I think Rowling has written 
quite a 
> complicated and difficult character in Harry. Often the protagonist 
has things 
> happen to him and suffers in the characterization, whereas the 
people who surround 
> him get all the juicy parts, so to speak.   A good example of this 
is 
> Dickens' own David Copperfield. David is often described as the 
least interesting 
> character in the book, but consider his competition <g>. There are 
so many 
> colorful, now legendary characters surrounding him that he could 
only suffer by 
> comparison.
> However, Harry not only has all the important things happen 'to' 
him in terms 
> of the story, but he also has nuances and shifts to his 
personality. This is 
> partly because he is growing up and maturing, but it is also due to 
the things 
> that 'do' happen to him. He is tossed about so much, 
psychologically, that is 
> is a wonder that he can function ;-)
> It's much harder to play a character with a turbulent inner life 
than it is 
> to   play one who with a simpler inner life. This is not to say 
that Ron and 
> Hermione and everyone else doesn't have more than one facet to 
them; they are 
> fully realized characters and such do have many aspects to their 
personalities. 
> But, they do not have the history that Harry has, which in itself 
is a gold 
> mine for emotional and psychological problems (sorry, Harry, I love 
you dearly, 
> but you really are a messed up boy <g>).
> I can't imagine going from feeling invisible and trying to maintain 
that 
> invisibility so as not to invite harsh treatment...to being the 
most famous person 
> in a whole other world you didn't even know existed. It's mind 
boggling. 
> So, not to ramble too much and get this way off topic...sorry...I 
would like 
> to see a lot of adult actors handle a character with all this 
baggae who was 
> an adult instead of a child growing up like Harry; the coming of 
age stuff adds 
> an extra dimension to it that must be incorporated into the 
character. Not 
> only does Harry have to deal with extraordinary things happening to 
him and 
> accepting that he is unique, but he also has to mature and grow up 
like we all do. 
> It is not an easy part and I think Dan has done a more than 
admirable job of 
> it ;-)
> Cindy
> 





From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 22 17:06:16 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:06:16 -0000
Subject: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <cdjq5q+ln56@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdos68+10c1a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "hpoldfan" <WFeuchter at m...> wrote:

> You know we really do not know how good Rupert can be since WB 
> decided to make Ron the comic releif in the movie. Hopefully in GOF 
> and OOTP they will let the character become more complex.
> 
> I am really a Dan fan, but think that all of the trio are perfect 
> for their parts.

> Bill

I agree, both because he has been made the comic relief and because 
he hasn't as much screen time as Dan, we can't REALLY see how good he 
is or can be. IMO, he has been a good actor from the start while Dan 
had some trouble in the beginning. 
As someone else said Thewlis may have seen thing that we haven't on 
the set. I cote again...how many takes it took for them to get it 
right and so on.

Just my opinion
Pernille




From AnyaSimbi at aol.com  Thu Jul 22 12:25:25 2004
From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:25:25 EDT
Subject: bob hoskins
Message-ID: <8a.10326b32.2e310c35@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/22/04 8:01:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

> From: clshannon at aol.com 
> Subject: Re: Thewlis said what? 
> P.S. On an added DC note, I noticed that Bob Hoskins tends to be at the 
> premieres of the HP movies and he played McCawber in DC with Dan. He also had 
> some really complimentary things to say about Dan in an interview he gave a 
> few years afterwards. I think he also mentioned how he would love to be in an > HP movie. I always thought he would be a great addition to the cast, although > I haven't decided in what role ;-) -Cindy 


Speaking of Bob Hoskins, I noticed he has 2 other connections to HP- 
he was in "Balto" (1995) as was Miriam M. aka Prof.Sprout; 
and "Super Mario Brothers" ('93) as was Fiona S. aka Petunia... 
I also kno him as Smee in "Hook", LoL... 

I can't think of an HP char I can see him as, but 
all your choices so far have been interesting! 
Wonder if he will end up with a part ^_^... 

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From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 17:43:13 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:43:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] re: bob hoskins
Message-ID: <20040722174313.59841.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com>

For any Fiona Shaw / Goddess!Maggie Smith / Michael
Gambon fans, be sure
to check out The Last September. Fiona Shaw gives a
wonderful
performance which is the antithesis of Petunia. 

Suzanne

> 
> Speaking of Bob Hoskins, I noticed he has 2 other
connections to HP- 
> he was in "Balto" (1995) as was Miriam M. aka
Prof.Sprout; 
> and "Super Mario Brothers" ('93) as was Fiona S. aka
Petunia... 
> I also kno him as Smee in "Hook", LoL... 
> 
> I can't think of an HP char I can see him as, but 
> all your choices so far have been interesting! 
> Wonder if he will end up with a part ^_^... 
> 
> ~*SimbiAni*~ 



		
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From lbiles at flash.net  Thu Jul 22 17:45:44 2004
From: lbiles at flash.net (leb2323)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:45:44 -0000
Subject: casting Mundungus
Message-ID: <cdoug8+epr6@eGroups.com>

How about Ian McShane who was terrific in the Lovejoy tv series to 
play Mundungus?

He has that great rogue quality about him.

leb




From suzchiles at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 17:48:18 2004
From: suzchiles at yahoo.com (Suzanne Chiles)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:48:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: More Voldemore casting?
Message-ID: <20040722174818.77682.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com>

I was watching House of Sand and Fog the other day and
it occurred to me
that Ben Kingsley might make an interesting choice for
Voldemort.

Suzanne


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From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 18:36:52 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:36:52 -0000
Subject: The trio's acting abilities
In-Reply-To: <000f01c47005$9c04e390$a8614242@bumbargefsmy9w>
Message-ID: <cdp1g4+c344@eGroups.com>

> >[from Valerie]
> I think all the kids improved this go 'round.
> Particularly good Ron lines that I recall:
> "You went all rigid; We thought you were having a fit or 
something.....
> I felt like I'd never be cheerful again"
> and of course, the tap-dancing spider dream is too, too cute!
> 
> Joj:
> I'm one who really didn't care for Rupert's delivery of the 
line  "I felt
> like I'd never be cheerful again".  The most impressive acting of 
his, for
> me, was him being dragged into the whomping willow.


Is that because the tree swallowed him up and you couldn't see him 
anymore?  LOL

Couldn't resist.

AH!  I know which line of his I didn't really care for...  When they 
were in the hospital wing with Harry and we was telling him about his 
broomstick.  I think that's the one.

Marci




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 19:00:09 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:00:09 -0000
Subject: More Voldemore casting?
In-Reply-To: <20040722174818.77682.qmail@web40610.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdp2rp+71n1@eGroups.com>

 Suzanne Chiles <suzchiles at y...> wrote:
> I was watching House of Sand and Fog the other day and
> it occurred to me
> that Ben Kingsley might make an interesting choice for
> Voldemort.
> 
> Suzanne

He was actually my first choice for the role, followed closely by bad 
boy Tony Hopkins.  Then I started eyeing Jeremy Irons (I watched The 
Lion King the other night, paying close attention to his voice).  
Then again, Bill Nighy (from Love Actually and Underworld) would not 
be a bad choice either.

So many yummy possibilities for LV.

Marci




From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 21:33:29 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry's character. Was: re: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <cdorj1+434e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040722213329.70255.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
> I wonder why J.K.Rowlig, as a woman made "Harry" a boy. I have a 
> feeling that most authors make their main character the same sex as 
> they are, because that's what they know best. 
> Because I'm not a boy I cannot say if she has managed to make Harry a 
> believable boy. So could I get an answer from some guys here? Do you 
> think she has managed it?

Hello, just joined this group (although I've been a member of the main list and
OTChatter for a long time).  I'm not a boy either, but I have always had mostly
male friends and now I have a son.  I and most people I've spoken with feel
that JKR has done a wonderful job of portraying an adolescent boy in Harry (and
Ron as well, and the relationship between the two).  A couple of my adult
friends changed that opinion after reading OotP, saying that he was way too
emotional for a 15-year-old boy, but I had a friend at that age who was going
through some tough times and he reacted very similarly.  The girly reaction
would have been crying, not lashing out at friends as Harry did.  To give a
more concrete example, I'll mention my very favorite scene in the whole series
so far: in PS/SS when Harry gives Neville his last Chocolate Frog to comfort
him after Malfoy put the Leg Locker curse on him.  Is that or is that not the
very epitome of boyish empathy?

OTOH, there was a paper given at Nimbus 2003 whose thesis is that Harry and
Hermione are gender-swapped, and therefore Harry is a feminine hero.  I have
not read this paper, if anybody has any information on how to get it, I would
be most interested.  The abstract I read states that Harry has traditionally
feminine qualities (soft-spoken, polite, insecure) while Hermione has
traditionally masculine qualities (bossy, logical, assertive).  The abstract
can be found at http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html#gender - click on the
abstract for "Emeric Switch on Gender: Harry and Hermione's Transgendered
Heroism".

I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that most authors make their main
characters the same sex as they are.  One of my favorite authors when I was a
teenager was S.E. Hinton (a woman) whose books had almost exclusively male main
characters, and in fact were written in the first person from a boy's point of
view (The Outsiders; That Was Then, This Is Now; Rumble Fish; Tex).  She, like
JKR, published with her initials because she didn't want to make it too obvious
that she was a woman, and her books mostly appeal to boys.  There are probably
a lot more women who write about male main characters than men who write about
female main characters.  I don't have any data to back that up, it's just the
impression I get from what I've read.  As for why JKR made her hero a boy, she
has said in interviews that he popped into her head fully formed, and he was
always a boy.

Sherry


=====
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    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire





		
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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 22 23:33:32 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:33:32 -0000
Subject: Back to the age limits...Was: re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <98.101c3900.2e2fe101@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cdpisc+6ndo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:

> I think, given the tone of books 4 and beyond, WB is going to have  
> to go for a PG-13 to R rating to capture the story.  These "older" 
> books  aren't meant for little kids.  JKR is writing for herself,  
> so she's  said.  That's one of the reasons the books have such wide 
> appeal, because  she's not writing them like books for kids -- they 
> have depth and layers of  meaning and big, long, hard words (and   
> concepts and experiences!) that are  beyond anything MY kids were  
> exposed to, and both of them have wonderfully  complex vocabularies 
> (they're both in their 20's now).Maybe those with  little kids can 
> watch the "edited for TV" versions of the later movies.  If  the   
> movies want to draw a seriously "deep" (broad age range, good      
> INCOME $$$$$)  audience, they will gear the movies toward the teen 
> and young adult audience,  especially since Dan and Emma have      
> already (at the young age of 14) reached  "heart throb" status      
>(according to the media).WB would be stupid to  pass up such an     
> economic opportunity, and they'd be being true to the books as     
> well, to gear films 4-7 to teens and adults.  That's the target    
> audience of  those books.  I know adults who read the HP books to   
> their little kids who  have to skip sections they consider too     
> intense or whatever for their  kids.  That's wise of them, in their 
> situation. I hope WB doesn't do  the same thing.  Bring on the     
> mature HP movies in all their  intensity!!!!  Bring those books to 
> filmic life!  YEAH!

> Lynda
> 
> ". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP

In my opinion if you don't think your child is old enough to hear the 
scary or inappropriate things that's in these books why can't you 
wait until you feel that they ARE ready? If the parent is 
enthusiastic about Harry Potter, don't rush to make your kids feel 
the same, and as you said these books are really not for kids as they 
progress. 
If I were a parent I would give my child SS/PS when he/she was 
eleven, then CoS when he/she was twelve and so on. If they really 
became interested I would let them buy the rest of the books 
themselves or I would buy them for them. But I don't think the series 
is appropriate for kids under ten - eleven.

The same about the movies, if you don't think the movies, or parts of 
the movies is appropriate for your child, why do they have to see it 
now? Why can't you wait until they are old enough in your opinion?

I am speaking from experience. Both my father and me are "movie-mad" 
and often discuss them. When I was younger, my father used to 
say: "You have to see this when you get older", after he had seen a 
good movie, but did not think it was appropriate for me at the time.
I was of course mad at him for not letting me, but I have seen most 
of these movies since and agreed with him that they were not 
appropriate for me at that time.   


And at the end of this post I wish to ask people to change the post 
subjects if you are indeed changing the main subject in your 
answering post, (like I have done with this one). It makes it easier 
to tell what you are talking about and people can choose if they want 
to read it or not.

My post are becoming longer and longer :)
Pernille


 




From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Thu Jul 22 23:45:43 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:45:43 -0000
Subject: Harry's character. Was: re: Thewlis said what??
In-Reply-To: <20040722213329.70255.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cdpjj7+is4f@eGroups.com>

First of all thanks for answering and welcome to the club :)
Your post cleared some things up, but I still kind of feel like I 
need a mans view on this. You see unlike you I don't have that many 
male friends....to be honest I have none, (male friends that is). So 
male thought is still kind of a mystery to me. 
So once again I ask for a male member to share his thoughts about 
this.

Take Care
Pernille



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sherry Garfio <sgarfio at y...> 
wrote:


> Hello, just joined this group (although I've been a member of the 
main list and
> OTChatter for a long time).  I'm not a boy either, but I have 
always had mostly
> male friends and now I have a son.  I and most people I've spoken 
with feel
> that JKR has done a wonderful job of portraying an adolescent boy 
in Harry (and
> Ron as well, and the relationship between the two).  A couple of my 
adult
> friends changed that opinion after reading OotP, saying that he was 
way too
> emotional for a 15-year-old boy, but I had a friend at that age who 
was going
> through some tough times and he reacted very similarly.  The girly 
reaction
> would have been crying, not lashing out at friends as Harry did.  
To give a
> more concrete example, I'll mention my very favorite scene in the 
whole series
> so far: in PS/SS when Harry gives Neville his last Chocolate Frog 
to comfort
> him after Malfoy put the Leg Locker curse on him.  Is that or is 
that not the
> very epitome of boyish empathy?
> 
> OTOH, there was a paper given at Nimbus 2003 whose thesis is that 
Harry and
> Hermione are gender-swapped, and therefore Harry is a feminine 
hero.  I have
> not read this paper, if anybody has any information on how to get 
it, I would
> be most interested.  The abstract I read states that Harry has 
traditionally
> feminine qualities (soft-spoken, polite, insecure) while Hermione 
has
> traditionally masculine qualities (bossy, logical, assertive).  The 
abstract
> can be found at http://www.hp2003.org/nimbuspgmtrack.html#gender - 
click on the
> abstract for "Emeric Switch on Gender: Harry and Hermione's 
Transgendered
> Heroism".
> 
> I'm not sure I agree with your assertion that most authors make 
their main
> characters the same sex as they are.  One of my favorite authors 
when I was a
> teenager was S.E. Hinton (a woman) whose books had almost 
exclusively male main
> characters, and in fact were written in the first person from a 
boy's point of
> view (The Outsiders; That Was Then, This Is Now; Rumble Fish; 
Tex).  She, like
> JKR, published with her initials because she didn't want to make it 
too obvious
> that she was a woman, and her books mostly appeal to boys.  There 
are probably
> a lot more women who write about male main characters than men who 
write about
> female main characters.  I don't have any data to back that up, 
it's just the
> impression I get from what I've read.  As for why JKR made her hero 
a boy, she
> has said in interviews that he popped into her head fully formed, 
and he was
> always a boy.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
> =====
> "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims 
are identical and our hearts are open."
>     -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 02:39:06 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:39:06 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdlpt5+9ho7@eGroups.com>
References: <001501c46f20$9b3efe90$0400a8c0@pensive>
Message-ID: <410106EA.26572.D26ECB@localhost>

On 21 Jul 2004 at 13:08, cgahnstrm wrote:

> I find myself more and more intrigued by this thread. Why is a 
> brief flash of nudity inapropriate for children? At what age can a 
> person watch someone nude on screen (in a non-sexual 
> context)? Those of you that find this so unsuitable, wich country 
> do you all come from? 

The recent film adaptation of 'Peter Pan' contained some nudity - 
at least it did in the version shown in Australia (I'm wondering if 
it was edited in the US) and that was certainly a film aimed at 
children. It didn't seem to spark massive outrage from what I 
heard.

As I say, I wonder if that was edited in the US.

Frankly, I don't really care that much - but I would *HATE* the 
decision to be dictated by US attitudes.



Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 23 02:44:44 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:44:44 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <001501c46f20$9b3efe90$0400a8c0@pensive> <410106EA.26572.D26ECB@localhost>
Message-ID: <004b01c4705f$035dcee0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Shaun wrote:

<The recent film adaptation of 'Peter Pan'
contained some nudity - >

Which section was that in?  (Watched and
owned the US version but can't remember
nudity).

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 02:47:02 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:47:02 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <004b01c4705f$035dcee0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <410108C6.14451.D9B531@localhost>

On 22 Jul 2004 at 19:44, saitaina wrote:

> Shaun wrote:
> 
> <The recent film adaptation of 'Peter Pan'
> contained some nudity - >
> 
> Which section was that in?  (Watched and
> owned the US version but can't remember
> nudity).

*Very* briefly, near the start of the film when Nana (the dog) 
catapaults one of the boys into the bathtub.

More significantly, when the two boys are hanging upside down in a 
tree and their nightshirts fall down over their faces - there's a 
couple of scenes showing their bare bottoms - one at a distance, 
one in 'close up'.




Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 23 03:05:27 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (saitaina)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:05:27 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <410108C6.14451.D9B531@localhost>
Message-ID: <005901c47061$e86e5520$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Shaun wrote:

<*Very* briefly, near the start of the film
when Nana (the dog)
catapaults one of the boys into the bathtub.

More significantly, when the two boys are
hanging upside down in a
tree and their nightshirts fall down over
their faces - there's a
couple of scenes showing their bare bottoms -
one at a distance,
one in 'close up'.>

Damn, those were cut I think...might have
been just the pay per view I was watching
(never got a chance to watch my DVD before it
was stolen).

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From amani at atlanticbb.net  Fri Jul 23 03:51:10 2004
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:51:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <410108C6.14451.D9B531@localhost> <005901c47061$e86e5520$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <001f01c47068$4c0f5740$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>

Shaun wrote:

<*Very* briefly, near the start of the film
when Nana (the dog)
catapaults one of the boys into the bathtub.

More significantly, when the two boys are
hanging upside down in a
tree and their nightshirts fall down over
their faces - there's a
couple of scenes showing their bare bottoms -
one at a distance,
one in 'close up'.>

Saitaina:
Damn, those were cut I think...might have
been just the pay per view I was watching
(never got a chance to watch my DVD before it
was stolen).

Taryn:
Well, I've got the US DVD and can say that both of those instances are included.

----------
Taryn : http://taryn.shirataki.net

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 04:39:13 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:39:13 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c47068$4c0f5740$0400a8c0@charterpa.com>
Message-ID: <41012311.13281.4EE0C6@localhost>

On 22 Jul 2004 at 23:51, Taryn Kimel wrote:

> Taryn:
> Well, I've got the US DVD and can say that both of those instances are included.

OK - so apparently it was in the US release.

Did these scenes inspire any massive controversy or comment in the 
United States? I've looked online and can't even find their 
presence mentioned.

If they didn't, would similar nudity in GoF really matter or cause 
any real controversy?

I know there are differences. One of my favourite films when I was 
a teenager was set in an Australian boarding school. It contained 
scenes of full frontal male nudity of teenage boys (in the shower) 
- a lot more than is seen in Peter Pan.

This film was rated PG in Australia, 12 in the UK - and R in the 
United States.

So there certainly seem to be differences.

But would nudity really be an issue in GoF in the United States - 
it seems it wasn't for Peter Pan.

I'm not saying it's necessary to have 'nude scenes' - the bathtub 
scene could easily be filmed without any obvious nudity.

I'm just not comfortable with the idea that US attitudes might 
decide what everybody else sees.

Yes, there's US money involved - but there was in Peter Pan as 
well.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 23 04:55:33 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:55:33 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <41012311.13281.4EE0C6@localhost>
Message-ID: <007101c47071$49a6cca0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Shaun wrote:

<Did these scenes inspire any massive
controversy or comment in the
United States? I've looked online and can't
even find their
presence mentioned.>

Not that I remember, and I've seen the same
sorts of nudity described in movies for both
adults and children.  In fact, I have a
fleeting image of a young child (five or six)
running across a room, naked as a new born,
trying to escape the bath and his mother.
Can't remember what it's from but I remember
nearly falling off the couch laughing as I
watched it.  And there are stricter rules for
nudity for children then there are for
teens/adults.

<would similar nudity in GoF really matter or
cause
any real controversy?>

More then likely not, the image I get from
the idea of the scene would be the type of
nudity we see quite often over here when
people lose their clothes.  Granted the
movies are usually comedies for adults, but I
don't see why there would be an issue when
most kids have seen those movies as well.

I don't really think there will be full on
nudity in the scene, more of hints of it.
Bare thigh, shirtlessness, various other
parts of human anatomy that wouldn't earn an
R rating (which is what all of the directors
of the movies have to struggle with).

It's a fine tight rope of what you can show
and what you can't in the states, but I know
many directors, both famous and not who have
found ingenious ways of filming scenes to get
the message across without getting slammed
with hard ratings.  Heck, I've done it on
stage a few times.

Saitaina
****
"I laugh in the face of death...maybe not
laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saitaina

"No, one day I'm going to look back on all
this and plow face-first into a tree because
I was looking the wrong bloody way. And I'll
still be having a better day than I am
today."




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 05:46:33 2004
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:46:33 -0000
Subject: Back to the age limits...
In-Reply-To: <cdpisc+6ndo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdq8np+tmlc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> wrote:
> 
> The same about the movies, if you don't think the movies, or parts 
of 
> the movies is appropriate for your child, why do they have to see 
it 
> now? Why can't you wait until they are old enough in your opinion?
> 
> I am speaking from experience. Both my father and me are "movie-
mad" 
> and often discuss them. When I was younger, my father used to 
> say: "You have to see this when you get older", after he had seen a 
> good movie, but did not think it was appropriate for me at the time.
> I was of course mad at him for not letting me, but I have seen most 
> of these movies since and agreed with him that they were not 
> appropriate for me at that time.   
> 

Now me --

When I was 17, Porky's (the first one) came out.  My parents went to 
see it and came home and said it was the funniest thing they had seen 
in years, and I couldn't go see it.  Naturally, I went and saw it 
anyways, as I was old enough to get in.  The point is, my parents 
made a judgement on what they thought was acceptable for me, whether 
or not I agreed with it.  I fear too many parents today do not make 
the same judgements, and do what's popular, not right.  You have to 
know your kids and what they can handle.  I would have never taken my 
daughter to see HP3 3 years ago; however, today, at age 11, she's 
ready for this film.

Tim




From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 05:54:24 2004
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:54:24 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <007101c47071$49a6cca0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <cdq96g+mv24@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Saitaina" <saitaina at f...> wrote:
> 
> It's a fine tight rope of what you can show
> and what you can't in the states, but I know
> many directors, both famous and not who have
> found ingenious ways of filming scenes to get
> the message across without getting slammed
> with hard ratings.  Heck, I've done it on
> stage a few times.
> 
> Saitaina


Me too... I've been on stage in only a towel before for Damn 
Yankees.  Granted, I had a pair of shorts on under the towel, but you 
couldn't tell that from the audience.

Tim




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 06:16:50 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <410106EA.26572.D26ECB@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040723061650.50926.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Shaun Hately <drednort at alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> The recent film adaptation of 'Peter Pan' contained
> some nudity - 
> at least it did in the version shown in Australia
> (I'm wondering if 
> it was edited in the US) 

> As I say, I wonder if that was edited in the US.
> 
> Frankly, I don't really care that much - but I would
> *HATE* the 
> decision to be dictated by US attitudes.

I know that there is a prevailing prudish streak in
American society, but please don't paint us all with
the same brush. We don't all share the same political
opinions and we don't all share the same "values". I
don't mean to sound grouchy, but I'm growing
increasingly tired (and saddened) by the world
mistaking the opinions of an outspoken few for the
attitudes of everyone.

And yes, there was nudity in the American version
which, IMO, was completely innocent and nothing worth
even mentioning.

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From drednort at alphalink.com.au  Fri Jul 23 06:30:00 2004
From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:30:00 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <20040723061650.50926.qmail@web53510.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <410106EA.26572.D26ECB@localhost>
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On 22 Jul 2004 at 23:16, Lanthiriel S wrote:

> I know that there is a prevailing prudish streak in
> American society, but please don't paint us all with
> the same brush. We don't all share the same political
> opinions and we don't all share the same "values". I
> don't mean to sound grouchy, but I'm growing
> increasingly tired (and saddened) by the world
> mistaking the opinions of an outspoken few for the
> attitudes of everyone.
> 
> And yes, there was nudity in the American version
> which, IMO, was completely innocent and nothing worth
> even mentioning.

I apologise - I didn't mean to suggest for a moment that all 
Americans felt this way - but I have noticed that the standards by 
which movie ratings are given seem to me much less forgiving on 
these issues in the US than in most English speaking countries - 
and that's what I was referring to.


Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
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"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia




From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 23 06:45:32 2004
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:45:32 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
References: <410106EA.26572.D26ECB@localhost> <41013D08.17314.B45159@localhost>
Message-ID: <007f01c47080$a70a2040$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Shaun wrote:

<but I have noticed that the standards by
which movie ratings are given seem to me much
less forgiving on
these issues in the US than in most English
speaking countries >

I completely agree with this.  Most of the
projects I had hoped to start working on in
some form soon are put on hold for probably
the rest of my life due to funding.  Studios
don't like the plots (well, content of plots
that I'm not willing to bend on) so I'm
rather stuck.  One of the reasons I went back
to acting/directing theatre, you get a bit
more freedom.

Saitaina
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laugh more like a snicker...a quiet snicker,
and I wouldn't do it directly in death's face
so, it's more like a quiet snicker behind
death's back. "

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today."




From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 06:52:25 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:52:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <41013D08.17314.B45159@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040723065225.11140.qmail@web53506.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Shaun Hately <drednort at alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> I apologise - I didn't mean to suggest for a moment
> that all 
> Americans felt this way - but I have noticed that
> the standards by 
> which movie ratings are given seem to me much less
> forgiving on 
> these issues in the US than in most English speaking
> countries - 
> and that's what I was referring to.

No, that's okay, I understand completely what you
meant. I tend to jump on things like that pretty
quickly these days, as I feel extra sensitive about
the global view of Americans given the messy state of
things. Sometimes the more liberal voices here are
drowned out and I often wish I had a loudspeaker to
announce to the rest of the world that we still exist!
;)

You're right, of course, that nudity does seem to be a
point of contention here while much worse things slip
beneath the public radar. I guess we have the good old
founding Puritans to thank for that. I don't have a
problem with nudity, and I don't think that in the
context of how it might be used in GoF that it would
raise much of an outcry. But it's true that an
enormous double-standard does seem to exist in
American film ratings. I heard no complaints about
"Peter Pan" - but had John and Michael been blown to
bits by automatic weapons, would there have been any
complaint either? I'm joking of course, but I'm afraid
violence is much more tolerated than the human body,
and that's very wrong.

The more I think about the possibility of this scene,
the more it makes sense to me - as someone on this
list has already suggested - that it would be
portrayed more through the expressions of the people
around Draco than by seeing anything much of Draco
himself. That would play on the comedy of the moment
more. Of course, this is all assuming that Tom wasn't
pulling some fangirl leg - which is too possible.

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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 08:13:21 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (isilvalacirca)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:13:21 -0000
Subject: Casting Umbridge - Yet Again
Message-ID: <cdqhb1+epbm@eGroups.com>

I was watching "Sense and Sensibility" tonight and just realized who 
might be able to play Umbridge. Imelda Staunton, who plays Charlotte 
Palmer in "S&S", and also played Mrs. Micawber in the version 
of "David Copperfield" with Daniel Radcliffe. She's quite short, I 
think, with this cheerful little voice - and although she always 
plays quite pleasant characters (at least as far as I've seen), I 
think she could pull off a very worthy Umbridge. I can just see the 
pink bows in her hair and all the little kittens.

Here are some picture links:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001767/

http://www.prisma-online.de/tv/person.html?pid=imelda_staunton

Lanthiriel




From clshannon at aol.com  Fri Jul 23 08:29:50 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:29:50 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting Umbridge - Yet Again
Message-ID: <d7.fe3106a.2e32267e@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/23/04 1:17:27 AM, isilvalacirca at yahoo.com writes:


> I was watching "Sense and Sensibility" tonight and just realized who
> might be able to play Umbridge. Imelda Staunton, who plays Charlotte
> Palmer in "S&S", and also played Mrs. Micawber in the version
> of "David Copperfield" with Daniel Radcliffe.
> 

I'm so glad someone mentioned her ;-) I thought of her numerous times, but 
never posted about it. The most recent time I thought of it was when watching 
Peter's Friends on cable. It's a film from the nineties (I think) with Ken 
Branagh, Emma Thompson, Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie and Imelda Staunton. It's a 
wonderful film. 
I recognized her from David Copperfield and other things and I agree, she can 
be deceptively sweet and looks like she can be quite nasty (even though, like 
you said, the parts I've seen her in she is not nasty). She also has roughly 
the right physical appearance (with the addition of those awful bows, of 
course!).
Cindy


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From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 23 10:57:54 2004
From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:57:54 -0000
Subject: Back to the age limits...Was: re: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdpisc+6ndo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdqqvi+fjf1@eGroups.com>

"Pernille" <bolle17 at f...> wrote:
> If I were a parent I would give my child SS/PS when he/she was 
> eleven, then CoS when he/she was twelve and so on. If they really 
> became interested I would let them buy the rest of the books 
> themselves or I would buy them for them. But I don't think the
> series  is appropriate for kids under ten - eleven.
> 
> The same about the movies, if you don't think the movies, or parts
> of the movies is appropriate for your child, why do they have to see
> it now? Why can't you wait until they are old enough in your
> opinion?

My little girl is nearly nine and has a language disorder: her
expressive language is delayed by a couple of years, which affects her
reading (it's all rather technical for me) even though her receptive
language is nearly up to par.

She has seen both HP films several times on DVD, which allows her to
hide behind me, or the sofa, at the scary bits (shades of Dr Who :-).
Some bits she didn't want to watch the first time through, but was OK
with on subsequent tries.

She is now desperate to improve her reading to the point where she can
read the books for herself. Which I like the sound of, because her
attention span when *I'm* reading them is rather too short :-) She has
pseudo-read her way through most of PS, although I'm sceptical about
how closely she has actually read it. I'm not about to call her out on
it, however, because as far as I'm concerned, anything which makes her
enthusiastic about reading is a bonus.
-- 
Phil




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 23 14:35:35 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:35:35 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: changing lines
In-Reply-To: <cdlv9o+jto2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD269A77.1292%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Marci" <blackgold101 at yahoo.com>

<snip>
For Ron's lines..."You're gonna suffer but you're gonna be
happy...about it."  LOL

[from Valerie]
I just reread this scene in the book and was surprised to see that those
were actually Harry's lines to Ron. And Trelawny is the one who explains
what a grim is, instead of the boy reading the book. Interesting how the
director (or screenwriter?) determine changes like that. Guess it has to do
with the flow of the scene, maybe too many camera changes that muddle up the
scene??

I just watched "Secret Window" with Johnny Depp (another hottie). The
director was saying that Stephen King is rather "hands-off" when it comes to
getting involved with screen adaptations of his book. He reads the
screenplay, may have a few changes, then lets the director run with it. He
recognizes the difference in medium from book to movie. Wonder if that is
how JKR is with it? Personally if I were a writer I think I'd have a hard
time letting go of the project, and trusting someone else's instincts. You
would hope the chosen director has the same vision, but I'm sure that's not
always the case...



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 23 14:45:19 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:45:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP targeted to teens+?
In-Reply-To: <98.101c3900.2e2fe101@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD269CBF.1293%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: artsylynda at aol.com

<snip>
they will gear the movies toward the teen and young adult audience,
especially since Dan and Emma have already (at the young age of 14) reached
"heart throb" status (according
to the media).  

[from Valerie] 
When I first saw POA, there was a group of teens behind me fighting over
Harry "Harry's mine"..."Hands off, he's MINE!" Cute! These books are
definitely gearing up to teens, not kids. It's a weird dilemma. It's not
like other series of books where the kids don't really age. (like
Ramona-the-pest, for example). I suppose you could liken it to the Mary Kate
and Ashley books and movies. They started as young kids, and are now dating
and running around New York and London. I picked a bunch of those books up
at a yard sale, and realize that the pre-teen/teen books are too mature to
read to my 6 year olds. So I'll just have to put them aside for later. I
think parents will have to do the same for the HP books/movies. 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 23 15:45:14 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:45:14 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The trio's acting abilities
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Message-ID: <BD26AAC9.12D2%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

From: "Marci" <blackgold101 at yahoo.com>

AH!  I know which line of his I didn't really care for...  When they
were in the hospital wing with Harry and we was telling him about his
broomstick.  I think that's the one.

[from Valerie]
That scene bugged me too. Mostly because they abbreviated the Quidditch
scene too much, so there appeared to be a missing thread. They should've had
some build-up to how important this game was to win (especially to
alas-absent Wood). And I wished they had kept in that funny scene when Draco
and his cronies were stacked up on each other pretending to be a dementor. I
wanted to see McGonagal's outrage! Oh well, guess they couldn't fit it all
in; that's why they expanded on the COMC scene where Draco and his buddies
tried to freak Harry out by crying "Ahh! Dementor!" 


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 23 15:47:42 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:47:42 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: famous quote?
In-Reply-To: <cdp1g4+c344@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BD26AB5E.12D3%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

I just watched the rather lame-o movie "Haunted Mansion", and in it was
quoted "If you truly love someone they never really leave you; they live in
your hearts forever."
Isn't that same exact thing Sirius (should've been Dumbledore) said to Harry
in the courtyard? Is that a famous quote or something???

Valerie 



From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 23 21:36:25 2004
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MPAA Ratings (was Back to the age limits)
In-Reply-To: <cdpisc+6ndo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040723213625.99457.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Pernille <bolle17 at frisurf.no> wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
> > I think, given the tone of books 4 and beyond, WB is going to have  
> > to go for a PG-13 to R rating to capture the story.

I would just like to point out that a PG rating (or even a G rating) does not
mean that a movie is for kids, it just means that the movie doesn't contain
certain elements that the MPAA looks for.  Their web site lists "theme,
violence, language, nudity, sensuality, drug abuse, and other elements" as
their criteria.  If a movie is meant for adults and has absolutely no appeal
for children, but doesn't show these things, it will still get a PG rating. 
The only thing on this list that is presented in the HP books so far is
violence.  The level of violence does increase quite a bit between books 3 and
4, but not nearly to an R-rated level.

The MPAA's site also states, "The Rating Board can make its decisions only by
what is seen on the screen, not by what is imagined or thought."  Even in GoF,
the kind of violence that will probably be included in the film is not likely
to be very graphic.  Things like Cedric getting killed in a flash of green
light, or Harry getting Crucio'd repeatedly, are not going to affect the
rating, because this is "imagined" violence, not on-screen violence.  Pettigrew
cutting off his hand could be handled in many ways, but I think in context it
would make sense for it to be more symbolic than graphic.  The spider attack in
the maze doesn't need to be gory either, and will probably be similar to the
Basilisk fight in CoS.  (I don't have my books with me, so if there is an
extremely violent scene that I'm missing, please point it out.)

I can see GoF stepping up to a PG-13 rating if the director chooses the most
graphic possible representations of the violent scenes.  OotP is about the same
- no goriness is necessary, and there's no sex or drugs and precious little
language (we've already heard Ron say "Bloody hell" numerous times in PG-rated
films).  A scary atmosphere does not affect the MPAA rating beyond PG either -
I think one of the criteria listed for PoA's PG rating was "some scary
moments".

If they do decide to have Draco streaking across the grounds in GoF (I think
this was actually Tom Felton's idea of a joke, as somebody else suggested), I
doubt they'll do this scene in such a way that would affect the rating,
especially since it wasn't in the book and therefore isn't needed.  Remember,
in MASH they had Hawkeye walk casually all the way across the camp in the nude
- and that was on US broadcast prime-time television in the 70s!

Okay, that got much longer than I intended.  I guess my point is, the themes of
these films can mature along with the books without requiring a PG-13 or R
rating.  Just because a film is rated PG doesn't mean it's immature, it just
means there's less chance of a little kid being scarred for life because of the
film.  I agree wholeheartedly with Pernille about parents needing to decide for
their kids.  The MPAA's web site says that "The basic mission of the rating
system is a simple one: to offer to parents some advance information about
movies so that parents can decide what movies they want their children to see
or not to see. <SNIP> Indeed, if you are 18 or over, or if you have no
children, the rating system has no meaning for you.  Ratings are meant for
parents, no one else."  For my part, I find a time to go see a movie by myself
first if I have any doubt that my kids can handle it - and that includes HP. 
At the very least, I ask other parents whose judgement I trust.

http://www.mpaa.org/movieratings/about/index.htm

Sherry


=====
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    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire





	
		
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From swmil at msn.com  Sat Jul 24 04:27:22 2004
From: swmil at msn.com (whizbee2000)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:27:22 -0000
Subject: What boys are like
In-Reply-To: <cdpjj7+is4f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdsofa+3lfi@eGroups.com>

As a mother of two boys, JKR gets a lot of things right when writing 
about young boys/preteens. They are very naive about how girls think 
(and usually don't even notice them at all until the hormones really 
start kicking in). Boys DO NOT like to discuss the days events or 
much of anything. They don't show much emotion unless really angry 
or when they're being really silly.

Everything is a game, and boys are very, very competitive. (which 
Harry really isn't) They hash over games, boy things and generally 
don't talk much. They also have a devilish, crazy streak to do 
really dangerous things. Their loyalty to their moms is pretty 
amazing and they constantly seek male role models to pattern 
themselves after. They like gadgets, speed and danger. 

Contrary to what many girls think, they usually are NOT discussing 
girls, but sports, cars, games, the latest fun thing they did, etc. 
They also don't really like to read and aren't big fans of 
schoolwork.

I really notice the difference when the neighbor girls come over. 
They like to engage in conversation and "bla bla bla" so much that I 
actually want the peace of my all boy house back! 

Boys do cry (and it's usually when you don't expect it). It's 
usually from a hurt deep inside, rather than a wound, a cruel word 
or act, or embarrassment. My boys have grown up in a well adjusted 
home, however I think Harry would have some serious issues w/out any 
nurturing mother figure or a father figure to pattern himself after. 
I think that's so important in healthy development of boys.

JKR gets the gist of what boys are all about though. It'll be 
interesting to see how Harry develops as she truly sees what her own 
little boy is like as he grows up. (Hopefully he won't be 15 by the 
time the series is done! ha ha)--Wendi




From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 04:48:22 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:48:22 -0000
Subject: Miranda Richardson to play Rita Skeeter
Message-ID: <cdspmm+s477@eGroups.com>


  According to "The Leaky Cauldron", Miranda Richardson is believed 
to have signed on to play Rita Skeeter.  You can view the article at:

    http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/004915.html

  It's kind of sad, but with all of her body of work, all I can 
think of is when she was on "Absolutely Fabulous":

  "Mummy!  Mummy!  Mummy!  Very, very, very tired Mummy!"

  Brian:-) 




From sara1412au at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 11:37:38 2004
From: sara1412au at yahoo.com (Sara_ELL)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:37:38 -0000
Subject: Miranda Richardson to play Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <cdspmm+s477@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdthm2+lef7@eGroups.com>

Excellent, excellent choice (IMHO) - she'll always be "Queenie" from 
the 2nd Blackadder series, to me. 

Sara_ELL 
(feeling somewhat vidicated in that at least ONE Richardson's been 
cast in the new film)




From griffin782002 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 14:54:34 2004
From: griffin782002 at yahoo.com (griffin782002)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:54:34 -0000
Subject: Miranda Richardson to play Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <cdthm2+lef7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdtt7a+du52@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sara_ELL" <sara1412au at y...> 
wrote:
> Excellent, excellent choice (IMHO) - she'll always be "Queenie" 
from 
> the 2nd Blackadder series, to me. 
> 
> Sara_ELL 
> (feeling somewhat vidicated in that at least ONE Richardson's been 
> cast in the new film)



Grffin782002 now:

After having a look on some of her pictures, I think she will be 
great. Especially with Rita Skitter's glasses. 



Griffin782002 




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 24 15:48:20 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:48:20 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] streaking Draco/nudity in Peter Pan movie in US
Message-ID: <15.2e8065fc.2e33dec4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

The  recent film adaptation of 'Peter Pan' contained some nudity - 
at least it  did in the version shown in Australia (I'm wondering if 
it was edited in  the US)


 
It wasn't edited out (if you mean the  boys' bare behinds in the bathtub 
scene) in the US.  I was kind of  surprised due to the age of the boys, that their 
parents and the producers would  allow it.  They're so young, but still a lot 
older than babies (you see  nude babies in US movies from time to time, but 
usually only from behind).   Nude behinds aren't exciting or "dirty" (unless 
they need to be cleaned, of  course!), so there shouldn't be any problem about 
that.  They show that  kind of thing on US TV these days (and more, depending 
on what channel you're  watching!)  

Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP



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From isilvalacirca at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 17:57:35 2004
From: isilvalacirca at yahoo.com (Lanthiriel S)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 10:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Miranda Richardson to play Rita Skeeter
In-Reply-To: <cdspmm+s477@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20040724175735.99649.qmail@web53503.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Brian Cordova <flitwicksman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>   According to "The Leaky Cauldron", Miranda
> Richardson is believed 
> to have signed on to play Rita Skeeter.  

This is very confusing. Didn't I read at TLC some time
ago that Rosamund Pike had been cast as Rita? I think
they even had a quote from her, saying how thrilled
she was to be working with the new director, Mike
Newell.

Confused, Lanthiriel


		
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From rowansjet at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 24 17:34:33 2004
From: rowansjet at yahoo.com (rowansjet)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:34:33 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing of book 6 in PoA
In-Reply-To: <ca1png+59um@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cdu6j9+eejj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> wrote:
> As I was watching PoA the second time, I paid special attention to 
> anything that might be a possible foreshadowing of future events 
in 
> book 6.  Most are probably not important, but as we won't know 
which 
> are and which aren't until the release of book 6

> Diana L.
> dianasdolls

Here's one:

Ron's dream about the spiders wanting him to tap dance.
In GoF, Crouch/Moody uses the IMPERIO CURSE on a SPIDER and makes it 
TAP DANCE! Could this foreshadow someone using the imperio curse on 
Ron?





From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 25 14:51:25 2004
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:51:25 -0000
Subject: Foreshadowing of book 6 in PoA
In-Reply-To: <cdu6j9+eejj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce0hdd+jbu4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "rowansjet" <rowansjet at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <dianasdolls at y...> 
wrote:
> > As I was watching PoA the second time, I paid special attention 
to 
> > anything that might be a possible foreshadowing of future events 
> in 
> > book 6.  Most are probably not important, but as we won't know 
> which 
> > are and which aren't until the release of book 6
> 
> > Diana L.
> > dianasdolls
> 
> Here's one:
> 
> Ron's dream about the spiders wanting him to tap dance.
> In GoF, Crouch/Moody uses the IMPERIO CURSE on a SPIDER and makes 
it 
> TAP DANCE! Could this foreshadow someone using the imperio curse on 
> Ron?



Wow! Good parallel! As much as I love that moment in the movie, it 
bothered me that it appeared to have no basis in the books, so why 
was it put there? Ron's character is pretty clearly delineated in the 
movies, so it was not necessary to tell us anything about Ron; and 
the comedic value is good, but as it did not reflect an actual moment 
in the books, it still made me wonder. Now I think you've found the 
answer to its inclusion. It may be as scary as Ron being subjected to 
the Imperio Curse in a later book, or even just a way to foreshadow 
Crouch/Moody's action in the GoF film. Either way, that's a great 
deduction; gives us something more to look forward to. :)




From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 25 21:33:39 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:33:39 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <41012311.13281.4EE0C6@localhost>
Message-ID: <ce18vj+bchr@eGroups.com>

Without quoting any one particular post on this thread, I was amused 
to find that turned in part into a discussion on American 
prudishness. As I am the one who started the thread, I thought you 
might get a kick out of my nationality: I'm Swedish!!!:-) Yep, one of 
the more reputedly unprudish nations...

For the record I never said there would be full frontal in HP, but 
definitely the implied kind, non-sexual, guys. My comment sprang 
(though I did not mention this in the post) not from the HP-movies 
per se, but my weariness of the increasing sexualisation of all media 
and entertainment, including movies, and how sex and "sexy" and 
showing as much skin as possible (at least for girls) is crawling 
downwards on the age-ladder, at least here, and it really bugs me. 
I'm NOT implying that there would be anything implicitly "sexual" 
about a streaking Draco, (except for his teen-girl fans, eh?), it's 
just that, the day I read the Felton interview I thought it was just 
one skin-scene too many, and in HP too--even if its just for a laugh. 

Sophia




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 12:01:32 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:01:32 -0000
Subject: Quidditch (The trio's acting abilities)
In-Reply-To: <BD26AAC9.12D2%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ce2rqs+n8tn@eGroups.com>

> From: "Marci" <blackgold101 at y...>
> 
> AH!  I know which line of his I didn't really care for...  When they
> were in the hospital wing with Harry and we was telling him about 
his
> broomstick.  I think that's the one.
> 
> [from Valerie]
> That scene bugged me too. Mostly because they abbreviated the 
Quidditch
> scene too much, so there appeared to be a missing thread. They 
should've had
> some build-up to how important this game was to win (especially to
> alas-absent Wood). And I wished they had kept in that funny scene 
when Draco
> and his cronies were stacked up on each other pretending to be a 
dementor. I
> wanted to see McGonagal's outrage! Oh well, guess they couldn't fit 
it all
> in; that's why they expanded on the COMC scene where Draco and his 
buddies
> tried to freak Harry out by crying "Ahh! Dementor!" 

Marci again:

Know what you mean.  But hearing which game made it to the movie, I 
knew were weren't gonna get to see the 'patronus at Malfoy'.  
However, at the end when the firebolt arrived, did anyone hear "we'll 
win the quidditch cup", something along that line?

Marci




From blackgold101 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 26 12:05:23 2004
From: blackgold101 at yahoo.com (Marci)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:05:23 -0000
Subject: famous quote?
In-Reply-To: <BD26AB5E.12D3%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ce2s23+koom@eGroups.com>

Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
> I just watched the rather lame-o movie "Haunted Mansion", and in it 
was
> quoted "If you truly love someone they never really leave you; they 
live in
> your hearts forever."
> Isn't that same exact thing Sirius (should've been Dumbledore) said 
to Harry
> in the courtyard? Is that a famous quote or something???
> 
> Valerie

Wow.  Not exactly but darn close.  Sirius said, "the ones we love 
never truly leave us..."  Taking a trip to the IMAX on Saturday and 
will have to store it in my memory bank.  LOL  Or take a tablet and 
write it down.

Marci




From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com  Mon Jul 26 13:21:14 2004
From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com)
Date: 26 Jul 2004 13:21:14 -0000
Subject: POA DVD details start to surface
Message-ID: <1090848074.3304386386.31103.sendItem@bloglines.com>

>From DavisDVD:

Warner Home Video's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
will be released on November 23rd, just in time for the holiday shopping season.
The two-disc set will be available in separate 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen
and fullscreen editions, each with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio tracks. Extras
will include deleted footage, interviews (with author J.K. Rowling, cast members
and the filmmakers) and, as usual, an overload of interactive games. Retail
is set at $29.95. Stay tuned for more details later today. 


Manda
--

http://www.jenesaisoz.com



From linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 26 23:25:44 2004
From: linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk (linda_gaunt)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:25:44 -0000
Subject: Dan 's acting (was: Some people have been noticing)
Message-ID: <ce43to+ocqg@eGroups.com>

Lynda

(". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP)wrote:

I've been out of town -- what did I miss???  I've been singing  the 
praises 
of Dan Radcliffe (and I'm old enough to be his gran, mind you!)  
since 
the 
movie came out!  I'm a wee bit annoyed with David Thewlis making  
comments that 
Rupert is the best of the three and others knocking the crying  
scene, 
etc. 

I, too, have been singing the praises of Dan - since PS, actually. 
Not quite old enough to be his Gran, but in his parents' age bracket!
He is absolutley wonderful - his acting gets better with each film. 
It is very difficult to cry on demand, but at several points during 
PoA you can see tears in his eyes. I cannot sing his praises high 
enough, he just gets better and better. I read somewhere, how he had 
long conversations with his Dad over some of the emotional scenes, 
who, as an 8 year-old boy, growing up in N.Ireland, had suffered a 
traumatic experience. He also listened to music to help him prepare 
for his scenes. All this, and only 14 at the time! How dedicated is 
someone who gets into the role so much, gives his all, and almost 
passes out at one point during an emotional scene.
Ok - I've gone on far too much, I know, but I just think he has the 
makings of a fine actor.




From dicentra at xmission.com  Tue Jul 27 16:37:59 2004
From: dicentra at xmission.com (Dicentra spectabilis)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:37:59 -0000
Subject: From the main list: Rat in the Sewer
Message-ID: <ce60d7+n22n@eGroups.com>

107800

From:  "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at hotmail.com>
Date:  Mon Jul 26, 2004  6:34 pm
Subject:  C.O.S. Clues ; WAS Re: JKR website update

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Lady Of The Pensieve"
<chrissilein at y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> futhermore we learn at the updated page is, that Harry discovered in
Chamber.
>
> Any ideas about what the discovery was in CoS?
>
> Chrissi
>
> Quote:
> The link I mentioned between books two and six does not, in fact,
> relate to the 'Half-Blood Prince' (because there is no trace left of
> the HBP storyline in 'Chamber'.) Rather, it relates to a discovery
> Harry made in 'Chamber' that foreshadows something that he finds out
> in 'Prince'.
>
>

Valky:
I can't really say, yet, but perhaps we should all watch the movie
again and hunt for a possibly unecessary scene. Diverting from the
action perhaps?
I recall a greater proportion of us were fascinated with uncovering
the "almost cut" clue scene, from COS the movie, and that many of us
were leaning towards thinking that it occurred in the earlier parts
of the film.
But I wonder if now, armed with this new information, we can hold
our concentration for longer til the end of the film and extract the
answer from the Chamber scenes.

Personally am about to watch it myself.

Best to All



107804

From:  "Brenda M." <Agent_Maxine_is at hotmail.com>
Date:  Mon Jul 26, 2004  7:13 pm
Subject:  C.O.S. Clues ; WAS Re: JKR website update


>>> Valky wrote:
> I can't really say, yet, but perhaps we should all watch the movie
> again and hunt for a possibly unecessary scene. Diverting from the
> action perhaps?
> I recall a greater proportion of us were fascinated with
uncovering the "almost cut" clue scene, from COS the movie, and that
many of us were leaning towards thinking that it occurred in the
earlier parts of the film.
> But I wonder if now, armed with this new information, we can hold
> our concentration for longer til the end of the film and extract
the answer from the Chamber scenes. <<<


Bren now:

Hiya Valky!! ;P

You know, reading your post reminded me of something I found mildly
intriguing in the chamber scene in CoS movie. Remember when Harry
is running away from Basilisk, and he runs into a barred circle hole
end in the chamber? I mean, isn't it weird how that particular part
of chamber looks more like sewage when this chamber was secretly
built and no professors at Hogwarts had been able to open it? Why
is there a need for it to look like anything more than a room? In
the movie the Basilisk came out from behind the door, but this
sewage I'm refering to is far away from it. And if Basilisk has
been swimming around Hogwarts plumming, why is it blocked? I can't
recall whether this bit was in the book as well, but it is very odd,
don't you think?

So I was pondering... if there's an *entrance* to the chamber...
(are you thinking what I'm thinking...) is there an *exit* to the
chamber as well... an exit that leads to outside of Hogwarts...
perhaps to the chamber room in Malfoy Mansion...

Something to think about, no?


Brenda




From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jul 27 19:14:40 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:14:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan's acting
Message-ID: <157.3ad24759.2e3803a0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 7/27/2004 8:07:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Linda  Gaunt wrote:  How dedicated is 
someone who gets into the role so  much, gives his all, and almost 
passes out at one point during an  emotional scene.
Ok - I've gone on far too much, I know, but I just think  he has the 
makings of a fine actor.




I read where he almost passed out because of hyperventilating during  one 
very intense scene, and in one video interview (sorry, can't recall which)  he 
said he almost passed out and he did fall off a table (from almost passing  
out), but someone caught him -- Dan was telling these stories, they weren't  
quotes from somebody else.  Then in another taped interview, he said it was  the 
scene with him and Sirius under attack from the Dementors when he passed  out.  
He was on a beach there, not a table, so I don't know if he did the  "almost 
fainting" thing more than once or if the quotes have been garbled (and  by Dan 
himself!). The only "table" I recall seeing him on was in the "making of"  
show where he and Emma were standing on a table-like thing while under attack  
from the Whomping Willow.  The "table" was loosely covered with  grass.  The 
Willow "knocked" them back (they were on wires, which you could  see in this TV 
special) and they fell on the mats behind the table.  So  maybe that's the 
"table" he was on?  If not that, then where??
 
In the "cool beaners" category - in a clip that was on DanRadcliffe.com  
(Comedy Central clip, maybe? Or Cartoon Network?  They have a series of  very 
short clips that are fun to watch), Dan was asked about Harry's scars and  if he, 
Dan, had any.  He said he didn't think he did, but Harry gets really  cool 
ones in Goblet of Fire.  They'd just done the dragon scene, and the  Horntail got 
him in four places around his shoulder, chest and back.  He  said it was 
really cool.  ;->  I can't wait to see GoF!   ;-D

Endlessly curious about the method of acting and the interesting  
behind-the-scenes stories (and a huge Dan-fan, can you tell?   heehee),
 
Lynda

". . .the cat's among the pixies now. . ." Mrs.  Figg, OoP


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From linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jul 27 23:21:08 2004
From: linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk (linda_gaunt)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:21:08 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting
Message-ID: <ce6o14+o5e9@eGroups.com>

Endlessly curious about the method of acting and the interesting  
behind-the-scenes stories (and a huge Dan-fan, can you tell?   
heehee),
 
Lynda

I can tell! Me too! I don't know if you've discovered Camden Market 
Forum on www.danradcliffe.co.uk, but it's great to "meet" more 
Danfans of a certain age - as well as younger ones too. You can go 
directly to:

http://danraduk.proboards35.com/index.cgi?

Linda




From abha_j at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 08:10:11 2004
From: abha_j at yahoo.com (abha_j)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:10:11 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <ce18vj+bchr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce7n13+8lak@eGroups.com>

Hi guys,

I am Abha and this is my first post in this group. I hope this has 
not already been discussed even though I did check up most of this 
thread.

I have one doubt concerning this scene if it's indeed going to be a 
part of the next movie - The first HP movie showed Prof. McGonagall 
turning into a cat and back, dressed as ever.
If they show a clothes-less Draco now, how will they reconcile it 
with that scene. And what about the scene in PA when Wormtail turned 
back into human?

- Abha






From clshannon at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 08:36:30 2004
From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:36:30 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Streaking Draco?
Message-ID: <c.2f06d1ae.2e38bf8e@aol.com>


In a message dated 7/28/04 1:30:11 AM, abha_j at yahoo.com writes:


> 
> I have one doubt concerning this scene if it's indeed going to be a
> part of the next movie - The first HP movie showed Prof. McGonagall
> turning into a cat and back, dressed as ever.
> If they show a clothes-less Draco now, how will they reconcile it
> with that scene. And what about the scene in PA when Wormtail turned
> back into human?
> 

I think someone else pointed out earlier that the difference is that Wormtail 
and McGonagall are animagi, whereas Moody/Crouch merely transfigures Draco 
into a ferret. Perhaps different rules apply; transfiguring and animagus 
transformations.
However, there has been discussion about the POA movie and the fact that they 
show Wormtail turning into a rat and leaving his clothes behind, yet when 
Sirius changes back into a dog, his clothes aren't left behind, etc. 
I just reason it in my own mind that perhaps it's up to the animagi when he 
or she changes whether or not to leave the clothes ;-) However, I know that's 
not really a good explanation - I think the movie folks just decided that it 
would look cool for Wormtail's clothes to be left behind. Sort of a cinematic 
decision, regardless of how contradictory it is for the actual plot ;-)


Cindy


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From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Wed Jul 28 09:59:43 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:59:43 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <ce7n13+8lak@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce7tef+sgqr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "abha_j" <abha_j at y...> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I am Abha and this is my first post in this group. I hope this has 
> not already been discussed even though I did check up most of this 
> thread.
> 
> I have one doubt concerning this scene if it's indeed going to be 
a 
> part of the next movie - The first HP movie showed Prof. 
McGonagall 
> turning into a cat and back, dressed as ever.
> If they show a clothes-less Draco now, how will they reconcile it 
> with that scene. And what about the scene in PA when Wormtail 
turned 
> back into human?
> 
> - Abha

Something hit me...maybe they transform with their clothes on when 
they are an animagus and not when they are just transformed as Draco 
is in the ferret scene. 
Although that would mean that the Peter Pettigrew transformation in 
PoA, at least the second one, was a mistake.

If anyone has pointed this out before I apologise.
Pernille







From bolle17 at frisurf.no  Wed Jul 28 10:11:00 2004
From: bolle17 at frisurf.no (Pernille)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:11:00 -0000
Subject: POA DVD details start to surface
In-Reply-To: <1090848074.3304386386.31103.sendItem@bloglines.com>
Message-ID: <ce7u3k+re80@eGroups.com>

No extended version then... :(

Disappointed 
Pernille

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote:
> From DavisDVD:
> 
> Warner Home Video's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
> will be released on November 23rd, just in time for the holiday 
shopping season.
> The two-disc set will be available in separate 2.35:1 anamorphic 
widescreen
> and fullscreen editions, each with Dolby Digital 5.1 audio tracks. 
Extras
> will include deleted footage, interviews (with author J.K. 
Rowling, cast members
> and the filmmakers) and, as usual, an overload of interactive 
games. Retail
> is set at $29.95. Stay tuned for more details later today. 
> 
> 
> Manda
> --
> 
> http://www.jenesaisoz.com






From djs504 at lycos.com  Wed Jul 28 12:59:16 2004
From: djs504 at lycos.com (DEBRA JO SMITH)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:59:16 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Streaking Draco
Message-ID: <20040728125916.2C2D54F3D2@ws7-6.us4.outblaze.com>

My opinion is: When Prof. McGonagall turned into a cat and back with her clothes on is because that is her animagi form but Draco is transfigured into a Ferret so he either has no animagi form or it is not a Ferret that is why he has no clothes on.

Debby
-- 
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jul 28 13:38:56 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:38:56 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan's acting
Message-ID: <25.4b240bee.2e390670@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/28/2004 4:46:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

http://danraduk.proboards35.com/index.cgi?



Nope, hadn't found that.  Thanks!  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From flitwicksman at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 28 13:40:31 2004
From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:40:31 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <c.2f06d1ae.2e38bf8e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ce8acf+46bd@eGroups.com>

> However, there has been discussion about the POA movie and the fact 
that they 
> show Wormtail turning into a rat and leaving his clothes behind, 
yet when 
> Sirius changes back into a dog, his clothes aren't left behind, 
etc. 
> 

  Mayhap Sirius is not only an Animagus but a Quick Change Artist as 
well;-).

  Brian:-)




From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Wed Jul 28 19:05:43 2004
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:05:43 +0100
Subject: GoF on MTV
Message-ID: <v01540b00bd2da8838c1a@[217.154.253.191]>

Hi everyone;

I see from Leaky that MTV will have a GoF set report on Friday at 5.00
Eastern. Can anyone tell me; is this a channel that repeats through a
24-hour period? Will there be other times when the show is broadcast? If
so, I may be able to catch one of the repeats on Saturday morning at my
gym...I don't have MTV.

Anyone out there who can tell me more?

TIA.
Cheers,
Nicholas





From WFeuchter at msn.com  Wed Jul 28 23:07:07 2004
From: WFeuchter at msn.com (hpoldfan)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:07:07 -0000
Subject: Streaking Draco?
In-Reply-To: <cdjv52+uump@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ce9bir+t9t3@eGroups.com>

Am I missing something about streaking and nudity? Is not Harry nude 
in the prefect's bathroom. And is not that scene important to the 
second task? Or is it already assumed that a naked Harry is a given.

Bill





From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jul 29 13:50:47 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:50:47 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] streaking Draco/second task
Message-ID: <24.5c432e26.2e3a5ab7@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:50:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Am I  missing something about streaking and nudity? Is not Harry nude 
in the  prefect's bathroom. And is not that scene important to the 
second task? Or  is it already assumed that a naked Harry is a  given.

Bill


yes, Harry's nude in the bathroom, but there are ways to do the  scene 
without actually showing him nude.  He could be shot from the waist  up, or in a 
body stocking, or they could use a body double, for instance.   The way Tom 
Felton was talking (and I'm inclined to think he was teasing whoever  he was 
speaking to), Malfoy would be shown racing across the grounds nude  (probably a back 
shot, which shouldn't be offensive to anyone but his parents. .  .heehee).  
These kids, well except for possibly Tom Felton (I don't know  the "legal age" 
in Britain) are underage and if such a scene were filmed in the  US, probably 
a body double would be used, or a body stocking, or the nudity  would be 
suggested -- that's what they do with adult actors who refuse to  actually be nude 
in scenes, or whose bodies aren't in shape for such a  scene.  Then there are 
those like Brad Pitt who work out for half a year in  order to BE in shape for 
nude scenes (such as those in "Troy").  Whatever,  Tom's little quote sure 
has kept the message boards humming,  heehee.
 
Since we're busy thinking such thoughts about young boys anyway --  there are 
some fans (I've read somewhere on some message board, can't think  right now 
which one, sorry) who think Harry is a shrimp, skinny, not  well-developed, 
because he was half-starved as a little boy (and because of  Ron's line in 
Divination, where he says "a midget in glasses was born" meaning  Harry).  I've 
read some posts expressing concern about how big Dan  Radcliffe is, that he 
doesn't look like "poor little Harry."  Yet we read,  repeatedly, how well Hogwarts 
feeds the students.  Dan Radcliffe has  developed quite a set of muscles from 
his gymnastics training or whatever else  he's doing for his stunt training.  
I don't know if Quidditch is physical  enough to develop the upper body 
strength in Harry that shows on Dan, but it  will be interesting to see if they do 
decide to use a body double for Dan,  if they go with someone as muscular as 
he is, or as spindly as some people think  Harry should be.  I personally think 
they'll let Dan's muscles show (if  only to keep his teen fan base excited, 
heehee), and I doubt he'll be swimming  in his full set of robes in the second 
task as he did in the books (he only took  off his shoes, which seemed weird 
to me -- how could he swim quickly and safely  in so many clothes???)  I don't 
know if he'll strip to a swimsuit like  Viktor Krum, but all his robes?  I 
think JKR made a mistake on that  one.  That would be a quick route to drowning, 
IMO, even with bubble-head  charms or partial transfiguration -- the robes 
would just weigh the swimmer down  and slow him down.  That's something I've 
wondered about ever since I read  GoF (my favorite of the series -- can't wait for 
the movie!!) the first  time.
 
Anyway, those are my musings for the morning.   ;->
 

 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From betsymarie123 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 29 20:04:30 2004
From: betsymarie123 at yahoo.com (Betsy Cortes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF on MTV
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00bd2da8838c1a@[217.154.253.191]>
Message-ID: <20040729200430.75295.qmail@web60203.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey there.  Sorry to tell you but the GoF set report was postponed until November.  The news came during the afternoon at TLC site.
 
Betsy


nicholas at adelanta.co.uk wrote:
Hi everyone;

I see from Leaky that MTV will have a GoF set report on Friday at 5.00
Eastern. Can anyone tell me; is this a channel that repeats through a
24-hour period? Will there be other times when the show is broadcast? If
so, I may be able to catch one of the repeats on Saturday morning at my
gym...I don't have MTV.

Anyone out there who can tell me more?

TIA.
Cheers,
Nicholas




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From sophiamcl at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 29 20:24:30 2004
From: sophiamcl at hotmail.com (sophiamcl)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:24:30 -0000
Subject: Naming He-who-must-not-be-named
Message-ID: <cebmdu+e6as@eGroups.com>

TLC has just posted an interesting piece of information: Although 
nothing is official yet, according to their sources there is a high 
likelihood that Ralph Fiennes (major babe) will be cast as Voldie! 
(Although I expect he wouldn't even be remotely hot in his Voldy get-
up.)Still, exciting news! Remember when we all wanted him for Lupin?

Sophia




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 30 00:52:26 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:52:26 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] streaking Draco/second task
Message-ID: <20040730005226.XUIS24402.out002.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

From: artsylynda at aol.com

<snip>
--? there are some fans (I've read somewhere on some message board, can't 
think? right now which one, sorry) who think Harry is a shrimp, skinny, not? 
well-developed, because he was half-starved as a little boy (and because of? 
Ron's line in Divination, where he says "a midget in glasses was born" meaning? 
Harry).? I've read some posts expressing concern about how big Dan? Radcliffe 
is, that he doesn't look like "poor little Harry."? Yet we read,? repeatedly, 
how well Hogwarts feeds the students.? Dan Radcliffe has? developed quite a set 
of muscles from his gymnastics training or whatever else? he's doing for his 
stunt training.? I don't know if Quidditch is physical? enough to develop the 
upper body strength in Harry that shows on Dan, but it? will be interesting to 
see if they do decide to use a body double for Dan,? if they go with someone as 
muscular as he is, or as spindly as some people think? Harry should be.? I 
personally think they'll let Dan's muscles show (if? only to keep his teen fan 
base excited, heehee)

[from Valerie]
It's funny because in COS, Harry looked so tall (I'm thinking of the Burrow 
scene in the beginning). I suppose that's because he'd made a big jump from 
little Harry in SS, to Harry-reaching-puberty, with the deeper voice.
Still, when I see him in interviews and POA he looks so much shorter than Ron 
and Malfoy, so that makes me think of him as still somewhat small/frail for his 
age. 
Wouldn't mind seeing those muscles he's been working on, though, in the 
prefects bath scene! :-P





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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 30 00:56:49 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:56:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Naming He-who-must-not-be-named
Message-ID: <20040730005649.XPBF28868.out004.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

From: "sophiamcl" <sophiamcl at hotmail.com>
TLC has just posted an interesting piece of information: Although 
nothing is official yet, according to their sources there is a high 
likelihood that Ralph Fiennes (major babe) will be cast as Voldie! 
(Although I expect he wouldn't even be remotely hot in his Voldy get-
up.)Still, exciting news! Remember when we all wanted him for Lupin?

[from Valerie]
This is cropping up more and more, so he must be in the final running for 
Voldemort. I still can't see it! But he's a great actor, so can no doubt pull 
it off. Though I tried to get through "Spider" the other night, and it was so 
BORINNNGGGG, I couldn't watch it through to the end. :-(
Too bad, because Gabriel Byrne and Miranda Richardson (aka Rita Skeeter!!!) are 
also awesome actors. Maybe I just wasn't in the mood; it just dragged and 
dragged, IMO.


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 30 01:05:11 2004
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:05:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF on MTV
Message-ID: <20040730010511.ZWGI24490.out014.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>

From: Betsy Cortes <betsymarie123 at yahoo.com>

Hey there.? Sorry to tell you but the GoF set report was postponed until 
November.? The news came during the afternoon at TLC site.

[from Valerie]
Too bad! Wonder if they've rescheduled it in conjunction with the POA DVD 
release?
I actually had a dream last night that I was at someone's house (these 6 old 
ladies who were in a band?!?!) and the GOF set report came on TV. I was bumming 
out because everyone was talking in the room and I couldn't hear it! I need to 
get back in touch with my real life. Help! Anyone else as obsessed with this HP 
stuff as I am? It creeps into my thoughts at all times of day and night. Sick! 
:-o



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From lani.wright at verizon.net  Fri Jul 30 09:13:14 2004
From: lani.wright at verizon.net (laniw01)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:13:14 -0000
Subject: Some thoughts about the next movie
Message-ID: <ced3fa+lojm@eGroups.com>

I'm pretty new to the list. I've waited to catch up on all
the post-PoA discussion before airing any of my pet peeves about the 
movie because I don't want to bring up something that has 
been run into the ground. So, ignoring my top two favorite gripes 
(which have already been well discussed on the list), I will skip to 
#3, which is: The classroom scene in PoA where Hermione has her hair 
done up in a french twist. 

Before I go into why that bothers me so much, I want to review and 
comment on some of the discussion that has already taken place 
concerning Hermione's appearance in PoA. I'll summarize it
into 3 broad categories: 

(1) Movie-Hermione vs Book-Hermione

Jo S.: "Movie PoA Hermione is beautiful, handles everything with 
aplomb, is smarter, stronger and more agile than Harry
but she
bears almost no resemblence to canon Hermione
"
Ccneppl: "Now if only they could get Hermione's hair to be as
crazy as it's supposed to be...."

Lani: I agree with both these statements. I also acknowledge that 
Movie-Hermione doesn't have to replicate Book-Hermione, either as 
described (frizzy hair, buck teeth) or as imagined (I have always 
pictured her in clothing that is more sensible than chic, with a body 
type that is more sturdy than svelte). Besides, Emma Watson delivered 
her opening line in SS so perfectly that I immediately forgave her 
for not being an ideal physical match. 

(2) Heremione's clothes

Rebecca: "Hermione I don't believe would walk around with her
shirt untucked"
Valerie: "Hermione is wearing her fashion-conscious pink jacket
and hiphugger jeans;"
Shaun: " The clothes she wears in the first two movies seem to
fit quite nicely with what her mother would buy
"

Lani: After 4 viewings, I still have trouble accepting a Hermione in 
a too-small jacket and low-riders. Loose-fitting pants and shirts 
would be more her style. And, as the quintessential perfectionist, 
she would never, ever, show up to class (even Hagrid's COMC) with
her shirt hanging out. Still, there's relatively little in the canon 
that says she can't look cool. 

(3) Cuaron's vision

Rebecca: "Clearly, both Cuaron and Steve Kloves like
Hermione/Emma Watson a little *too* much."
Valerie: "I'm thinking he had a crush on her! 
 he
intentionally expanded her role."

Lani: I believe this is the crux of the problem. Emma is a lovely 
girl and Cuaron has chosen to play that up to the detriment of the  
character. 

Why I hate the french twist:

I do not intend this to degenerate into a nitpick. I see this as one 
of those "foreshadowing" elements we've been looking for
ever since JKR told us they existed. When PoA Hermione (who, even at 
her grimiest, remains hearthrob pretty) casually pins her hair up for 
class, the impact and credibility of the opening scene of the Yule 
Ball in GoF is destroyed. 

Sherry wrote: "they could lose the whole Yule ball, I think. The 
important thing about the Yule ball is that Harry and Ron and Rita 
discover about Hagrid being half giant, and Percy comes instead of 
Mr. Crouch." 

Lani: I agree that the Hagrid & Percy plot points could be addressed 
outside the context of a school dance. And, if they skip the Yule 
Ball in Movie-GoF, then my personal pet peeve #3 does become a 
nitpick. However, I think the opening scene of the Yule Ball--where 
Harry initially fails to recognize Hermione--is a pivotal point in 
the trio's relationship. The boys literally "see" her differently, 
which effects her transition from being a good buddy to being a 
potential mate. (Though it may not be a conscious transition for a 
couple more books.) Of course, Hermione's Eliza Doolitle-like 
transformation depends heavily on the boys' never having seen her 
dressed up, with her hair swept smoothly off her face. And THAT's
why--even if I accept a pretty Hermione who wears flattering clothes 
and has somewhat manageable hair--I think Cuaron made a big mistake 
in including a classroom scene where her hair is neatly pinned back. 

Lani





From christin.gahnstrom at telia.com  Fri Jul 30 11:56:31 2004
From: christin.gahnstrom at telia.com (cgahnstrm)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:56:31 -0000
Subject: Growing Dan was: streaking Draco/second task
In-Reply-To: <24.5c432e26.2e3a5ab7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cedd1f+ud4b@eGroups.com>


> Since we're busy thinking such thoughts about young boys 
anyway --  there are 
> some fans (I've read somewhere on some message board, 
can't think  right now 
> which one, sorry) who think Harry is a shrimp, skinny, not  
well-developed, 
> because he was half-starved as a little boy (and because of  
Ron's line in 
> Divination, where he says "a midget in glasses was born" 
meaning  Harry).  I've 
> read some posts expressing concern about how big Dan  
Radcliffe is, that he 
> doesn't look like "poor little Harry."  


If a 13-14-year old is small for his age, (as Harry is described in 
the books) he would be about the same size as most 
11-12-year-olds. Dan is most definently not small for his age, for 
a 12-year-old (in CoS) he was huge. (Maybe not very tall, but 
mature).
I'm fine with movie-Harry being more mature for his age, though I 
think the plot line/ love triangle with him, Cho and Cedric would 
have worked better with a tiny Harry. There are many references 
in the book to how the other champions are all grown up, while 
Harry is still a little boy. But this is really only an issue in book 
four anyway, come book five he's grown enough for a girl older 
than him to date him.
And also, how could the filmmakers possibly have predicted Dan 
would start growing so early? (Although casting a 14-year-old 
Tom Felton for SS/PS wasn't very clever imo. He sure looks his 
age now, even if he didn't then.)

Christin




From patientx3 at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 05:15:09 2004
From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 05:15:09 -0000
Subject: Some thoughts about the next movie
In-Reply-To: <ced3fa+lojm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <cef9st+uhqv@eGroups.com>

Lani wrote:
>> I'm pretty new to the list. I've waited to catch up on all
the post-PoA discussion before airing any of my pet peeves about the
movie because I don't want to bring up something that has
been run into the ground. <<

Rebecca: 
Welcome to the list! Thank you for looking through the archives a 
little before posting (I know I did on both groups before I ever 
posted), because there are some discussions that, as you said, have 
been run into the ground.  

>> Before I go into why that bothers me so much, I want to review and
comment on some of the discussion that has already taken place
concerning Hermione's appearance in PoA. I'll summarize it
into 3 broad categories:

(1) Movie-Hermione vs Book-Hermione

[snip]
I also acknowledge that Movie-Hermione doesn't have to replicate Book-
Hermione, either as described (frizzy hair, buck teeth) or as 
imagined (I have always pictured her in clothing that is more 
sensible than chic, with a body type that is more sturdy than 
svelte). Besides, Emma Watson delivered her opening line in SS so 
perfectly that I immediately forgave her for not being an ideal 
physical match.<<

Rebecca:
The strange thing is that she looks less and less like Hermione with 
each movie. In the first they made an attempt to make her hair a 
little bushy, it wasn't as extreme as the books, but the effort was 
there (IMO, Hermione having big, bushy hair is part of her character, 
as she's not the type who cares about being 'pretty'). In the second 
movie her hair was more crimped or wavy for the most part, she looked 
more stylish. By the time they got to PoA, however, they stopped 
trying. Her hir isn't even *long* any more. Not a huge thing, but the 
little details that are missed bother me more than the big ones, 
because they'd be so easy to fix (if Emma doesn't want to grow her 
hair out or let them tease it until it gets huge, then they can have 
her wear a wig).

Lani:
>>(2) Heremione's clothes
[snip]
After 4 viewings, I still have trouble accepting a Hermione in
a too-small jacket and low-riders. Loose-fitting pants and shirts
would be more her style. And, as the quintessential perfectionist,
she would never, ever, show up to class (even Hagrid's COMC) with
her shirt hanging out. Still, there's relatively little in the canon
that says she can't look cool. <<

Rebecca:
I can't see her looking that stylish either. And I'm assuming her 
dentist parents (who don't look "stylin'" themselves when we see them 
briefly in CoS) wouldn't buy her those clothes either. I think its 
just a case of movie Hermione being more with it than book Hermione. 
And as you said, there's nothing *specific* in canon saying that 
Hermione can't look 'cool'.

Lani:
>>(3) Cuaron's vision
[snip]
I believe this is the crux of the problem. Emma is a lovely
girl and Cuaron has chosen to play that up to the detriment of the
character. <<

Rebecca:
And (although this isn't your point) to the determint of Ron's 
character. Much of him has been sacrifriced to make room for 
Hermione. Or, looking at it another way, Kloves seems to think that 
the only person who can say something intelligent is Hermione.
Emma is slightly different than Hermione, she is far more bubbly and 
spirited, and I think in an effort to make Emma's acting more natural 
they've had to stretch her character a bit. Nothing horrible, but a 
little annoying all the same.

Lani
>>Why I hate the french twist:

I do not intend this to degenerate into a nitpick. I see this as one
of those "foreshadowing" elements we've been looking for
ever since JKR told us they existed. When PoA Hermione (who, even at
her grimiest, remains hearthrob pretty) casually pins her hair up for
class, the impact and credibility of the opening scene of the Yule
Ball in GoF is destroyed. <<

Rebecca:
You have a very strong point. But since Hermione's hair is no longer 
bushy and wild, then the impact is already ruined without the French 
twist. Actually, most of that scene is now ruined with her little 
stylish outfit she wears in the end of PoA, and her general looks 
through the whole movie. Its quite hard to believe that movie!Ron and 
movie!Harry wouldn't notice that 'she's a girl' or be SO 
flabbergasted by her appearence at the Yule Ball. If it is indeed in 
the movie, they might have to play up the shock of Hermione in a 
dress (she was in a skirt at the end of PS/SS but that was 3 movies 
before GoF), and her going to the dance with Victor Krum of all 
people. 






From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 14:09:23 2004
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:09:23 -0000
Subject: Growing Dan/ Hermione's image - was: streaking Draco & thoughts/next movie
In-Reply-To: <cedd1f+ud4b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ceg96j+j9k8@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "cgahnstrm" 
<christin.gahnstrom at t...> wrote:
> 
 
> Dan is most definently not small for his age, for 
> a 12-year-old (in CoS) he was huge. (Maybe not very tall, but 
> mature).
> <snip>
> And also, how could the filmmakers possibly have predicted Dan 
> would start growing so early? (Although casting a 14-year-old 
> Tom Felton for SS/PS wasn't very clever imo. He sure looks his 
> age now, even if he didn't then.)
> 
> Christin


Interestingly, I've had no problem with the relative maturity of the 
actors in the HP films. Maybe it's because I teach in a Middle 
School, where most students are between 11 and 14 years old, and I 
see amazing variation in maturity among students of the same age. In 
one classroom I see students who probably could order a beer without 
being carded, alongside children who can still order from the kiddie 
menu. For example, one of my (female!) students reached six feet in 
height last year at age 12, whereas her male best friend was barely 
5' 2". I suppose it helps me accept the screen images at face value.

To also refer to another thread (#10295 and #10297) about Hermione's 
appearance in the films: I've had similar discussions with people who 
don't understand how an 18-year-old Viktor Krum would be interested 
in a 14-year-old Hermione, especially given (in their words) a 
relative lack of physical maturity in Emma Watson. Whereas these 
people feel that Emma won't be able to pull this off, I counter that 
I see pairings like this all the time at my school (whether or not 
that's a good thing is a different matter!); plus, now the PoA film 
has set the stage for Hermione to believably attract Krum's attention 
in the GoF film. Does this depart from Book!Hermione? Definitely. But 
I can live with it.




From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 14:34:12 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:34:12 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]streaking Draco/second task
Message-ID: <1ce.2761d9db.2e3d07e4@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/30/2004 7:51:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Valerie  Flow wrote:  in COS, Harry looked so tall (I'm thinking of the 
Burrow  
scene in the beginning). I suppose that's because he'd made a big jump  from 
little Harry in SS, to Harry-reaching-puberty, with the deeper  voice.
Still, when I see him in interviews and POA he looks so much shorter  than 
Ron 
and Malfoy, so that makes me think of him as still somewhat  small/frail for 
his 
age. 
Wouldn't mind seeing those muscles he's been  working on, though, in the 
prefects bath scene!  :-P



He wasn't much taller than Emma in CoS, most of the time, as I  recall.  In 
fact, there was a behind the scenes thing where he was saying  (in quite a 
"funny-disgusted" way) that she was just "determined to humiliate"  him (something 
like that) because she was one silly millimeter taller (something  like that 
-- it's been a while since I saw that scene).  She was quite  proud of being 
taller than him, since she's younger.  Rupert and Tom are  both older than Dan, 
which may have been lucky chance or deliberate, to make  them (hopefully) 
stay taller than Dan.  Rupert's 16, Tom's 17, Dan's just  turned 15.  I suppose 
your ":-P" is a "tongue hanging out drooling" icon  rather than a raspberry, 
huh?  heehee

 

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 14:40:45 2004
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 10:40:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] some thoughts about the next movie
Message-ID: <1d1.274536ca.2e3d096d@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 7/30/2004 7:51:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Lani  Wright wrote:  ignoring my top two favorite gripes 
(which have  already been well discussed on the list), I will skip to 
#3, which is: The  classroom scene in PoA where Hermione has her hair 
done up in a french  twist. 


what amused (or bothered) me about the hair being pinned up was  that she did 
it with a PENCIL.  Nowhere in canon do they seem to write with  anything 
other than quills and ink.  And there she has a standard #2 pencil  with an eraser 
on it holding her hair up.  I hadn't even thought about the  Yule Ball thing. 
 As far as the Yule Ball goes, if those boys hadn't  figured out she's pretty 
from seeing her in the pink sweater set and jeans, then  they're thicker than 
we've given them credit for!  LOL!  I think  Cuaron and Kolves did the series 
an injustice putting too much emphasis on  "hero Hermione" and "most 
brilliant witch of her age" and taking too much of  Harry's part away from him.  
Still, I've enjoyed the movie six times now  and would love to see it again before 
it leaves theaters.   

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP




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From McGregorMax at ec.rr.com  Sat Jul 31 20:00:25 2004
From: McGregorMax at ec.rr.com (mcmaxslb)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:00:25 -0000
Subject: some thoughts about the next movie
In-Reply-To: <1d1.274536ca.2e3d096d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <cegtop+lk9r@eGroups.com>

>  As far as the Yule Ball goes, if those boys hadn't figured out 
>she's pretty from seeing her in the pink sweater set and jeans, 
>then  they're thicker than we've given them credit for!  LOL!  I 
>think  Cuaron and Kolves did the series an injustice putting too 
>much emphasis on  "hero Hermione" and "most brilliant witch of her 
>age" and taking too much of  Harry's part away from him.  
> Lynda







I don't see what the fuss is about Hermione's outfit in PoA. It 
looked like something any girl would wear and not particularity 
glamorous. However you not the only one who got the feeling that 
Cuaron&Kolves wanted to make 'Hermione Granger and the PoA'. 




From linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Jul 31 20:09:20 2004
From: linda_gaunt at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Linda=20Gaunt?=)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:09:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan's acting
In-Reply-To: <25.4b240bee.2e390670@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20040731200920.67628.qmail@web25301.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

you're welcome!

artsylynda at aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 7/28/2004 4:46:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

http://danraduk.proboards35.com/index.cgi?



Nope, hadn't found that. Thanks! 

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP



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From alexpie at aol.com  Sat Jul 31 22:09:54 2004
From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 18:09:54 EDT
Subject: Hermione's clothes
Message-ID: <8.53705e69.2e3d72b2@aol.com>

Lani wrote (I think):
>After 4 viewings, I still have trouble accepting a Hermione in
>a too-small jacket and low-riders.

My problem with the clothes described is that they absolutely do not fit in 
with the HP timeline.  Those clothes became fashionable during the last few 
years.  According the HP Lexicon (which JKR has admitted she consults herself 
when she is a bit confused), PoA takes place in 1993!  Might as well give Harry a 
Blackberry and be done with it!
Cheers--
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