From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 3 01:30:55 2004 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 01:30:55 -0000 Subject: Windsor-Detroit corridor meetup Message-ID: Sassy Snape, invites all to join the members of CanUsa Potterphiles for the second CanUsa PotterPhiles meetup, which is scheduled for Saturday Nov 13 at 6:15pm at the Holiday Inn Select. Here is the welcome from meetup.com that I sent out to give you some background. Feel more than welcome to join the group and attend whenever you can! ----------------------------------------------------------------- To paraphrase Headmaster Albus Dumbledore's and Professor Severus Snape's welcome in PS: Welcome! Welcome to a new era for your meetup group. Before I begin I would like to say a few words, and here they are: CanUsa! Potter! Philes! How is that for the name of our new meetup group? CanUsa PotterPhiles = CUPP, in honour of the house cup that we so covet. Now I have a few start-of-group notices to tell you. First, the meetings will now be held in Windsor, Ontario. Why in Canada, you ask? 1.Because I live in Canada, which makes organizing meetups a lot easier 2.The US dollar is worth more in Canada, than the Canadian dollar in the US 3.Canadians have a more difficult time crossing the border with US customs, since 9/11 Second, all members will be sorted - there will be no quiz here, we shall see where fate sorts you ? also if membership allows, we would come up with a points system and have prefects. As you are sorted into your houses you are also sorted for the scavenger hunt - the house with the most points wins the house cup. Finally, we will discuss books, films, JKRs website, plus on occasion we could have a games night, and I am hoping for an annual anniversary event, such as a scavenger hunt. It is at these meetings where we will discuss the subtle science and exact art of Harry Potter. There will be plenty of foolish wand- waving here. We will learn to understand and appreciate the beauty and the delicate power of JKRs vision/creation creeping through muggle veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses we can examine how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death and above all remember Harry Potter is our new celebrity. Fame clearly is everything! I hope we can all take our journey to Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry together. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Simple directions for out-of-towners. Take the bridge into Canada, after customs, (you should not have to declare your wands as a weapon :)) follow the road south (away from the bridge) - the exit from Customs merges into Huron Church Road. You will have to go past the shopping plazas, Holiday Inn will be on your right. You will have to turn onto Malden to get into the parking lot. I believe it is at the third or fourth light. For those who may be taking the 401 into Windsor - continue on the 401, it will merge into Huron Church, when the road curves. You will have to go under another expressway (EC Row) and about three lights until you reach Malden Rd. Also, watch out for the trucks - you will have to get into the left-hand lane. The meeting will not be cancelled, so I hope everyone can attend. ---------------- To join CanUsa Potterphiles, go here: http://harrypotter.meetup.com/17/ From sopraniste at yahoo.com Mon Nov 8 19:06:10 2004 From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:06:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: GOF casting In-Reply-To: <1098719758.369.65466.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20041108190610.97087.qmail@web41211.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Alright, so I am terribly behind the times here... I blame the summer vacation, I'm STILL trying to catch up! However, I don't think anybody has suggested this yet, so I'll go ahead. First of all, Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort, I think is a WONDERFUL choice. The main thing that strikes me about him is that he shares one VERY noticeable characteristic with the fellow who played Riddle in Chamber, a characteristic that I think made Riddle UNBEARABLY attractive: His eyes. They BOTH have those incredibly intense blue eyes. Now, I know that canon states that Voldemort's eyes are red and creepy, but I think Ralph Fiennes' actual eyes can be creepy ENOUGH without messing with their colour! For those of you looking for other Ralph Fiennes movies, try Strange Days. He's not a villain, but.... Just watch it, you'll understand. Now, as to Umbridge, I've been saying for months that they should give it to Judy Dench. I've never seen her play evil per se, although she's very good at somewhat unpleasant, POWERFUL characters, who are not necessarily evil, but there is no doubt in my mind that she could do it, and she would be CHILLING!!! One other casting thought I've had floating about in my head since the summer, although the role has already been cast, and as usual no one asked my opinion.... Rita Skeeter: Jennifer Saunders. Interestingly enough, I only know her from voicing the Fairy Godmother in Shrek 2, but I also only know Miranda Richardson (who IS playing Rita Skeeter) from voicing Mrs. Tweedy in Chicken run. And their voices do have similarities. Go figure. Flop __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From timregan at microsoft.com Wed Nov 10 10:53:26 2004 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:53:26 -0000 Subject: Widescreen comparisons Message-ID: Hi All, Two questions. I want to show people at work stills of the Weasley's clock as presented in the movies. I cannot find a still with it in either on IMDB or on hogwarts-gallery at the floo network. Anyone know a URL to a screenshot? Somewhere, by someone, there is an amazing site comparing in detail the widescreen and fullscreen DVDs of the first two films. But I cannot find it. Anyone know the URL? Thanks, Dumbledad. From tahewitt at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 04:13:47 2004 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Widescreen comparisons In-Reply-To: <1100142527.303.29369.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20041111041347.43518.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> The link I have to that site no longer works. Here it is, in case you want to try for yourself: http://plum.cream.org/HP/cos/dvd.htm > Hi All, > > Two questions. > > I want to show people at work stills of the > Weasley's clock as > presented in the movies. I cannot find a still with > it in either on > IMDB or on hogwarts-gallery at the floo network. > Anyone know a URL > to a screenshot? > > Somewhere, by someone, there is an amazing site > comparing in detail > the widescreen and fullscreen DVDs of the first two > films. But I > cannot find it. Anyone know the URL? > > Thanks, > > Dumbledad. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com From timregan at microsoft.com Thu Nov 11 09:04:05 2004 From: timregan at microsoft.com (Tim Regan) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:04:05 -0000 Subject: Still of Weasley clock (was Re: Widescreen comparisons) In-Reply-To: <20041111041347.43518.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Tyler Hewitt wrote: >>> The link I have to that site no longer works. Here it is, in case you want to try for yourself: http://plum.cream.org/HP/cos/dvd.htm <<< No, sadly that doesn't work for me either. I've pinged Richard to find out if there's a revised URL. Anyone know another site that has a still of the movie version of the Weasley's clock? Cheers, Dumbledad. From clshannon at aol.com Thu Nov 11 09:10:53 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:10:53 EST Subject: Interesting short article ;-) Message-ID: <88.19390bd5.2ec4869d@aol.com> I couldn't resist sending this along. I found this on a live journal and it's dated Nov. 11th - today. Seems Pierce Brosnan had a bit more to say about who should be the next Bond, other than Colin Farrell ;-)) http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEE20041104053541&Page=E& Title=Startrek&Topic=0 Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 11 14:35:17 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:35:17 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Interesting short article ;-) In-Reply-To: <88.19390bd5.2ec4869d@aol.com> Message-ID: ...Seems Pierce Brosnan had a bit more to say about who should be the next Bond, other than Colin Farrell ;-)) http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEE20041104053541&Page=E& Title=Startrek&Topic=0 Cindy LOVE IT!!!!!! I can see it. He's becoming such a handsome young, young man. And what a nice segue that would be after doing ALL SEVEN HP movies!?! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rvotaw at i-55.com Thu Nov 11 23:16:46 2004 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:16:46 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Widescreen comparisons References: <1100142527.303.29369.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000f01c4c844$8459de70$04a1cdd1@RVotaw> Dumbledad wrote: > Somewhere, by someone, there is an amazing site comparing in detail > the widescreen and fullscreen DVDs of the first two films. But I > cannot find it. Anyone know the URL? I know the site you're talking about, I provided the fullscreen screencaps for the Chamber of Secrets DVD. However, the site seems to be offline, whether it's permanent or temporary I don't know. Here's the URL anyway: http://plum.cream.org/HP/dvd.htm Richelle From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 12 17:11:09 2004 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:11:09 -0000 Subject: Still of Weasley clock (was Re: Widescreen comparisons) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have found it! I don't know if this picture will do but check out this site - http://www.silentbard.net/burrow/gallery.shtml then select under the family, family photos, now go to chamber of secrets screencaps and there are a couple pix on page 1. I searched for Burrow Weasley family, so maybe that is where you should search...hope it helps Sassy --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tim Regan" wrote: > > Hi All, > > Tyler Hewitt wrote: > >>> The link I have to that site no longer works. Here it is, in > case you want to try for yourself: > http://plum.cream.org/HP/cos/dvd.htm <<< > > No, sadly that doesn't work for me either. I've pinged Richard to > find out if there's a revised URL. > > Anyone know another site that has a still of the movie version of > the Weasley's clock? > > Cheers, > > Dumbledad. From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Fri Nov 12 23:14:36 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 12 Nov 2004 23:14:36 -0000 Subject: Widescreen comparisons Message-ID: <1100301276.3505085393.29505.sendItem@bloglines.com> Richelle Votaw wrote: > http://plum.cream.org/HP/dvd.htm Here's an archived version with most of the images intact including the Weasley clock: http://tinyurl.com/3vgcs [archive.org] Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From Dacia_S at msn.com Sun Nov 14 15:33:56 2004 From: Dacia_S at msn.com (Dacia Sycamore) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:33:56 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? Message-ID: OK, I have to ask a question, I just read a post that talks of Remus and Sirus possibly being a couple. This never entered my mind when reading the books or watching the movies. I've never seen (that I realized) any clues or signs that would tell me this. has anyone else? The post spoke of the scene in PoA when Lupin is leaving the school at the end and says that the owls will be coming because parents wont want someone like him teaching their children... to me it just meant him being a warewolf. Any thoughts? Dacia...will be reading PoA and OotP again From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Sun Nov 14 20:50:09 2004 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:50:09 -0000 Subject: The name's Potter Message-ID: Like father, like son ...almost...Daniel played Geoffrey Rush's son in Tailor of Panama, looks more like Pierce though (Jamie Lee-Curtis played his mom and commented he would be a remarkable HP) and Pierce thinks our little HP would be quite the dashing Bond - now there is a nice future image. ANI LONDON: While the world might think James Bond has to be someone tall, dark and handsome who can make the ladies go weak in the knees, actor Pierce Brosnan, who played the role of the suave double agent for more than 10 years, thinks 'Harry Potter,' actor Daniel Radcliffe would make the perfect Bond. According to Brosnan, although Irish actor Colin Farrel would also be great as Bond, Radcliffe really has what it takes and will grow up to be the perfect Bond. "For the next Bond, Colin Farrell would be great. But if you want to go even younger, Daniel Radcliffe. Give him a few years. You can see it, can't you? He'll be great. From Harry Potter to Bond," The Sun quoted him as saying. From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Nov 14 22:00:44 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:00:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lupin and Sirus... gay? Message-ID: <2436.4.12.232.33.1100469644.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Dacia Sycamore said: > OK, I have to ask a question, I just read a post that talks of Remus > and Sirus possibly being a couple. This never entered my mind when > reading the books or watching the movies. I've never seen (that I > realized) any clues or signs that would tell me this. has anyone > else? I don't think you're the only one. However, I've been around folks, who look for subtextual or textual/canon homosexuality in fandom, for years to the point movie!POA cinched Lupin and Black as gay. > The post spoke of the scene in PoA when Lupin is leaving the > school at the end and says that the owls will be coming because > parents wont want someone like him teaching their children... to me > it just meant him being a warewolf. Yes, it was in reference to Lupin's lycanthropy, but some readers have speculated on the historic/symbolic references JKR makes in her text and Lupin's 'disease' is one. His 'disease' is a blood-transmitted one where it appears the immune system is attacked (e.g. Lupin's sickly appearance), it's currently incurable, and others shun him because they fear this 'disease' and possible infection. Some have connected lycanthropy to AIDS, which isn't to say that AIDS must equate to gay. In POA, the Boggart scene is amusing in the sense even MAD magazine has spoofed Lupin as being gay based upon it: fear of leaving the 'closet'. Although, Harry Potter also has his share of gay speculations from his status as 'freak' in the Dursley household until he *literally* comes out of the 'closet' (i.e. cupboard) and finds his own 'kind'. Not to mention all the supposedly phallic references (e.g. broom, wand, tower, etc) and his first kiss with Cho as being unimpressive. There's probably more but I usually read fanon. Hm, I spend more time specking out Lupin than Black, but I think it's their closeness that some interpret as more than friendship (e.g. movie!Snape's snide comment about 'old married couple'), so Black is also perceived as being gay. I'm fuzzy on JKR's comments but there was a recent inquiry into Black's possible marital status before Azkaban and her wording implied he'd probably never marry. Then there's the painting of Mrs. Black screaming how she thought Sirius was an 'abomination', which can be viewed as Sirius' betrayal to the 'bloodline' but it can also be viewed as him not passing along his 'bloodline' at all because of his sexual orientation. As additional details, I'm reminded of their combined gift to Harry--though, this could be explained as Lupin being poor, Black having money and Sirius wanting to help his friend--and Lupin's reaction to losing Black to the Veil--again, this could be chalked up to loss of a friend. It's all interpretation, and I know I'm probably skipping over other details since I'm not a follower of the Sirius/Remus coupling (i.e. slash = exploration of homosexuality); I'm more into Harry slash. Dina From scully931 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 03:52:29 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:52:29 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, when I attended the HP convention in FL, there was a really good talk by Connie Neal about looking for Religious references in HP. She basically said at the end, that despite finding tons of references, she doesn't think JKR wrote the book as a religious book, but that in a work of that size, you can find a reference to nearly anything you look for be it Christianity, Wicca, etc. So, my point is, JKR faces an insurmountable task. Some of her stuff is full of symbolism, some is to be taken at face value. But, with so many rabid (in the best sense of the word) fans out there, people are going to read into every word. The parent's *wouldn't* want a werewolf teaching their children. So, if he is to be "just" a werewolf, there is very little she can do, short of saying, "I'm Remus Lupin - just a werewolf, not gay, asexual, straight, wiccan or Christian." Know what I mean? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. ~Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dacia Sycamore" wrote: > > > > OK, I have to ask a question, I just read a post that talks of Remus > and Sirus possibly being a couple. This never entered my mind when > reading the books or watching the movies. I've never seen (that I > realized) any clues or signs that would tell me this. has anyone > else? > The post spoke of the scene in PoA when Lupin is leaving the > school at the end and says that the owls will be coming because > parents wont want someone like him teaching their children... to me > it just meant him being a warewolf. > Any thoughts? > > Dacia...will be reading PoA and OotP again From carllotta2007 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 16:59:22 2004 From: carllotta2007 at yahoo.com (carllotta2007) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:59:22 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you all think that sirus and lupin are gay you have all lost your mind... come on people stop thinking hidden message its just not there get over it --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" wrote: > > Well, when I attended the HP convention in FL, there was a really > good talk by Connie Neal about looking for Religious references in > HP. She basically said at the end, that despite finding tons of > references, she doesn't think JKR wrote the book as a religious > book, but that in a work of that size, you can find a reference to > nearly anything you look for be it Christianity, Wicca, etc. > > So, my point is, JKR faces an insurmountable task. Some of her stuff > is full of symbolism, some is to be taken at face value. But, with > so many rabid (in the best sense of the word) fans out there, people > are going to read into every word. The parent's *wouldn't* want a > werewolf teaching their children. So, if he is to be "just" a > werewolf, there is very little she can do, short of saying, "I'm > Remus Lupin - just a werewolf, not gay, asexual, straight, wiccan or > Christian." Know what I mean? > > Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > ~Deborah > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dacia Sycamore" > wrote: > > > > > > > > OK, I have to ask a question, I just read a post that talks of > Remus > > and Sirus possibly being a couple. This never entered my mind when > > reading the books or watching the movies. I've never seen (that I > > realized) any clues or signs that would tell me this. has anyone > > else? > > The post spoke of the scene in PoA when Lupin is leaving the > > school at the end and says that the owls will be coming because > > parents wont want someone like him teaching their children... to > me > > it just meant him being a warewolf. > > Any thoughts? > > > > Dacia...will be reading PoA and OotP again From redina at silverbloom.net Mon Nov 15 20:26:56 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:26:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3059.4.12.232.24.1100550416.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> carllotta2007 said: > If you all think that sirus and lupin are gay you have all lost your > mind... come on people stop thinking hidden message its just not > there get over it Fair enough. We should also axe speculations on astrological/mythological connections to names and any sort of historical parallels. Sirius as the 'dog star'? Pfft! We all know JKR opens the phonebook and randomly picks out names. {g} Heh, remember the Evans questioning? Y'all taking 'symposium' trips for discussion on HP are wasting your time because there are 'no hidden messages'. {chuckle} Now, if the trips are for partying and getting inebriated, by all means, go for it! ;-) Dina From s_ings at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 18:15:36 2004 From: s_ings at yahoo.com (s_ings at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:15:36 -0000 Subject: Call for Papers: The Witching Hour Message-ID: CALL FOR PAPERS: THE WITCHING HOUR Salem, MA October 6-10, 2005 A Harry Potter Symposium presented by HP Education Fanon, Inc. The Witching Hour is an interdisciplinary symposium designed to allow scholars and adult enthusiasts of the Harry Potter series to gather and share research. The conference programming will engage attendees in a broad exploration and understanding of the Harry Potter texts and phenomenon, as well as foster dialogue between academics and fans. The theme of the symposium ? as befits the season, locale and current tone of the series ? is choice, moral ambiguity and the darkness within everyone. While we shall warmly receive submissions dealing with our theme, we wish to stress that we welcome proposals on any and all topics ? whether academic, creative or fan ? relating to Harry Potter, including examinations of writing, art and young adult fantasy literature. Suggested topic tracks include, but are in no way limited to: - Literary: critical issues concerning the novels themselves, as well as the wider arena of children's and young adult literature, including structural analysis, genre considerations, and the response of the academic establishment and publishing industry - Social Sciences: critical responses to the texts through the lenses of anthropology, sociology, psychology, folklore, and so forth - Education: The use and abuse of the novels in the classroom and libraries, censorship controversies and teachers' and librarians' guides - Creative: Examinations of the writing or artistic creative process - Legal: Analyses of legal issues raised by the text of the novels, including wizarding law as set forth therein, and legal controversies relating to the phenomenon or the fan community - Fandom Studies: Studies of the fan response to the novels, including discussions of specific fan activities (e.g., vidding, artwork and fanfiction), and critical examinations of fanfictional tropes - Guides: Examinations of subjects such as the history of the wizarding world, a beginner's guide to the online fandom, and an overview of the numerous Harry Potter "companion" encyclopedias - Film: Critical responses to the Harry Potter films - Music: Studies of the use of music in the Harry Potter books, films and fan culture, such as analyses of the John Williams score or an examination of fans' musical activities In addition to formal papers, The Witching Hour is seeking a variety of presentation models, including pre-organized critical panels, round table-style discussions, and craft-based workshops. Round table discussions will be in-depth explorations of academic, creative or fandom topics led by a presenter. Round table presenters must select a topic for discussion and moderate that discussion at the conference. Workshops are presenter-led, hands-on explorations of methodology and craft, be it writing, art, music or business. We intend that the round tables and workshops, in particular, focus on audience participation and interaction. Finally, our website contains a list of panels for which we are seeking participants. The Witching Hour is also looking for individuals to participate in a variety of fan-based programming. Fanfiction authors are invited to read their work before an audience and participate in a discussion of that work. We also seek a variety of staffers for the booths we are making available for attendees: beta booth, art critique booth, drabble booth and sketch booth. Fanfiction authors should be prepared to attach their work as part of the submissions process. Booth staffers should be prepared to demonstrate their qualifications through a test or inclusion of past work as part of the submissions process. All works used during presentation at The Witching Hour must comply with our NC-17 policy. All submissions, whether for programming, fanfiction reading or booth staffing, must be made electronically via http://www.witchinghour.org by May 15, 2005. Applicants for programming should be prepared to provide a 400-500 word abstract, a 50-100 word summary for program schedules, and a 50-100 word personal biographical note. Fanfiction authors should be prepared to submit the work they wish to read and a 50-100 word personal biographical note. Booth staffers must be prepared to either submit past work or take a test, as appropriate. Presenters and staffers must be registered for the conference by August 1, 2005. Please direct all queries regarding programming to programming at witchinghour.org. Please visit our website, http://www.witchinghour.org, for more information on these elements and the conference itself, as well as an overview of our review process for submissions and biographies of our review board members. To subscribe to our conference newsletter, please e-mail updates at witchinghour.org. HP Education Fanon, Inc. (HPEF) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded in 2002 to promote and produce educational, Harry Potter-themed symposia on an international scale. HPEF produced its first event, Nimbus ? 2003, in July 2003. More information can be found at http://www.witchinghour.org/who/hpef.html. From scully931 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 16 19:38:03 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:38:03 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: <3059.4.12.232.24.1100550416.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > carllotta2007 said: > > Y'all taking 'symposium' trips for discussion on HP are wasting your time > because there are 'no hidden messages'. {chuckle} Now, if the trips are > for partying and getting inebriated, by all means, go for it! ;-) > > Dina Actually, the symposium was great fun and really interesting. Just because you might be wrong doesn't mean you should never have intellectual conversations. :-) ~Deborah From redina at silverbloom.net Tue Nov 16 22:11:23 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:11:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: References: <3059.4.12.232.24.1100550416.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Message-ID: <1671.4.12.232.24.1100643083.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Scully931 said: > Actually, the symposium was great fun and really interesting. Just > because you might be wrong doesn't mean you should never have > intellectual conversations. :-) Aye. {g} Back to my previous reply and why I voiced it... I find it... impolite to say a person can't speculate a certain way (implication being because you believe your own thoughts on the matter are infallible) when JKR hasn't even stated in an unquestionable manner about character sexual orientation. I brought up trying to predict character outcomes via their names and connections in history as something that does quirk my eyebrow, but I'm normally like 'if it floats your boat'. I'm fairly cool with folks speculating along different veins... Speaking of veins, some folks still think Snape is a vampire. {g} This is another idea which quirked my eyebrow. I don't necessarily agree with some 'theories' but part of the fun for others is they want to discuss them and calling folk 'insane' for thinking something isn't conductive in a discussion. I'm on a list where Y!G registers numbers exceeding 11,700+ members who are also into exploring [possible] homosexual themes in the HP books/movies. The idea exists beyond a few individuals. That and can we please stop spelling Sirius as 'Sirus'. {g} I've never read the books [per se] and can still get the name. Now, if you tried a Q&A on me for other spellings, I'd be SOL because I only have the audio books. {chuckle} As a tangent, there are folk who believe _Wizard of Oz_ is also a possible allegory for American history during the 1800s (Gilded Age). Some would think them 'nutters', eh? After all, it's just a children's book on fantasy. {g} I rather like the comment from here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0275974189/102-9936241-8018561?v=glance ) about how "the result is a unique way for readers to acquaint themselves with a classic of children's literature that is a bit different and darker than the better-known film version". Dina From editor at texas.net Wed Nov 17 03:18:59 2004 From: editor at texas.net (Amanda Geist) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:18:59 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Sirus... gay? References: Message-ID: <00ba01c4cc57$06292f80$7a5aaacf@texas.net> Carlotta: > If you all think that sirus and lupin are gay you have all lost your > mind... come on people stop thinking hidden message its just not > there get over it I happen to completely disagree with the theory myself. However, part of the wonder of literature, going back to the days of Beowulf and farther, is the ability to interpret, to have the story mean something to the hearer. Stories are *participative,* not passive; both the teller and the listener bring their own history, thoughts, "takes," etc., to the tale. I am not going to speculate as to how much the potential homosexual overtones in Harry Potter may stem from the author, or from the readers, but I will *never* categorically tell anyone that their interpretation is *wrong.* It can't be. It's subjective, it's exploratory, it's interpretive, it's creativity at its best, and it's *their right.* Especially on this list. You have offered nothing but sputtering, poorly punctuated protests to rebut a reasonable question, the sort of question the list was designed for. Please try to offer some substantive fodder for a real discussion next time. ~Amanda From patientx3 at aol.com Wed Nov 17 09:23:45 2004 From: patientx3 at aol.com (patientx3 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:23:45 EST Subject: PoA DVD Message-ID: <1e1.2fbca0fc.2ecc72a1@aol.com> I work at Blockbuster Video and we got our copies of Prisoner of Azkaban in tonight (I was so happy, despite the fact that I had expected them *last* week). Anyway, I went through all the special features already (except for the kiddie ones). I'll describe them below, with a little spoiler space for those of you who want to be surprised (with the deleted scenes at the end). First the case is a normal plastic one, instead of the cardboard ones that the first two had. It looks sort of strange in the three-pack. And the first disc (with the movie) has trailers on it, which is odd, since the first two didn't. Trailers feel sort of obtrusive on a fantasy movie. Okay the rest is mild spoilers... * * * * * * * * * The special features disc is a little annoying to navigate. Its not as bad as the first movie, but still I wish they'd just put "Deleted Scenes" on the menu instead of hiding it under something else. The deleted scenes, cast interviews, and JKR interview (in which she said she liked the shrunken heads thing, go figure), are under the "Divination Class" option. There are 7 separate interviews, all five or so minutes long. The first is with Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, and Daniel Radcliffe, the second is with the people that play Seamus, Neville and Fred and George (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up their real names), third is with Tom Felton and the kids who play Crabbe and Goyle, fourth is with Gary Oldman and David Thewlis, fifth is with Robbie Coltrane and Michael Gambon, sixth is the people who play the Dursleys (including Marge), and the final one is with Cuaron and two of the production designers. All the interviews involve the shrunken head from the Knight Bus as one of the interviewers, and it is EXTERMELY annoying, they are going for some sort of comedy, although I don't know why (the questions are already rather simple, ex. "What would your boggart be?"). Fortunately, the shrunken head is left out of pretty much all of the adult interviews (except for one comment at the end of each one), but he's pretty involved in the kid ones. In 'Hagrid's Hut' under the 'Grounds' menu option, there's a featurette on the animals in the film, which was pretty interesting, and there's a making of-ish featurette that talks about the makeup and CG and the dementors and all that. Then of course there's the deleted scenes. * * * Most of them are fluff, and I can see why they were cut from the film. There's 5 in all. The first is just extra Knight Bus (which there was plenty of in the movie), and there's a scene of that bird that got killed by the whomping willow bothering Hagrid as it was flying around (which was sort of funny), there was the Sneakascope scene, which is just Ron bringing Harry one from Hogsmeade, rather pointless since they don't show it lighting up or anything. The last two were the most interesting. One was about Sir Cadagen being appointed as the new portrait guard and him changing the passwords all the time, and the last scene was the Sirius break-in scene (I cannot figure out why they cut it out). It starts with the aftermath (no Gary Oldman, sadly), and has McGonagal finding out Neville lost the passwords, and then warning all the children to be careful, since Sirius Black might break in again. There's a brief moment of Ron/Hermione arguing (which felt sort of awkward, maybe there was something else leading into it that was cut), and then it has the Harry moment from the international trailer where he says "He was right there, he was close enough to touch", referring to Sirius. I wish it was in, because its a nice followup on the Harry wanting to kill Sirius thing. The DVD will be out a week from now in the US and on Friday in the UK (although I'd guess there's at least on other retail store employee on this list who also has it early). -Rebecca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Erthena at aol.com Thu Nov 18 22:40:11 2004 From: Erthena at aol.com (werebearloony) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:40:11 -0000 Subject: Only one year away! Message-ID: I just wanted to log on and wish everyone a happy one-year-till-GoF day. I can't believe it's still a whole year away. Oh well, I will be consoled on Tuesday. I hope we have enough to do until November 18, 2005; hopefully JKR will keep us busy. Don't let the muggles get you down! ~~loony From betsymarie123 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 00:36:45 2004 From: betsymarie123 at yahoo.com (Betsy Cortes) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:36:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Only one year away! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041119003645.40746.qmail@web60202.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all. Long time I didn't post anything. I just can't wait for the release of PoA, the book and the GoF movie. I'm writing from my writing class and a muggle destroyed my paper. I feel so bad, cause it was really creative. Anyway, I will follow your advice, don't let the muggles bother me. I don't expect any replies, i just need it to let this out. Thanks guys. Betsy --- werebearloony wrote: > > I just wanted to log on and wish everyone a happy > one-year-till-GoF > day. I can't believe it's still a whole year away. > Oh well, I will > be consoled on Tuesday. I hope we have enough to do > until November > 18, 2005; hopefully JKR will keep us busy. > Don't let the muggles get you down! > > ~~loony > > > > ===== test'; "> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com From clshannon at aol.com Fri Nov 19 03:15:40 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:15:40 EST Subject: POA DVD Launch Message-ID: <1c6.20d52934.2ecebf5c@aol.com> Hi folks, Well, I finally thought ahead and was ready for Extra's report on the POA DVD launch party in London tonight ;)) I assume Access Hollywood and Entertainment Tonight will have similar stories. The one I caught on Extra was short - showed the kids arriving in a Knights Bus, but showed mostly some extra features on the DVD. Mostly shots of Thewlis becoming a werewolf (holding onto Oldman in the scene, makeup, etc.) Nice, can't wait to see the DVD ;) Also, there are links on Leaky to more photos of the party and the Leaky webmasters were at the party, so they will be posting reports soon. According to a quote from Rupert, they are about half way through filming. Man, those movies take a long time to shoot! Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Fri Nov 19 05:54:15 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:54:15 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch In-Reply-To: <1c6.20d52934.2ecebf5c@aol.com> Message-ID: From: clshannon at aol.com Also, there are links on Leaky to more photos of the party and the Leaky webmasters were at the party, so they will be posting reports soon. According to a quote from Rupert, they are about half way through filming. Man, those movies take a long time to shoot! Cindy [from Valerie] Thanks for sharing! Wow, everyone is looking so grown up, and all the guys have long hair! (though I didn't see a pic of Tom Felton). I guess since they are in the middle of filming, that is what they look like in GOF. What do you think of Percy Weasley's shaggy "do"?! Daniel Radcliffe looks so different from Harry, IMO. Amazing what a pair of glasses can do! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clshannon at aol.com Fri Nov 19 06:08:43 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:08:43 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch Message-ID: <78.666b5dec.2ecee7eb@aol.com> In a message dated 11/18/04 9:58:00 PM, valerie.flowe at verizon.net writes: > Thanks for sharing! Wow, everyone is looking so grown up, and all the guys > have long hair! (though I didn't see a pic of Tom Felton). I guess since > they are in the middle of filming, that is what they look like in GOF. What > do you think of Percy Weasley's shaggy "do"?! > Daniel Radcliffe looks so different from Harry, IMO. Amazing what a pair of > glasses can do! > Those aren't even the first pics we've seen since GOF began filming ;-) There were some of Dan getting into a car on the lot and the hair was long then. He's been filming since before POA even came out, so it's a long filming schedule, for him mostly. I think that some of the other kids mentioned starting in July of this year. As to Percy's hair - I think it looked pretty wild in POA, if I recall. Although we only see him briefly, I seem to remember 'wild hair' There is one comment on Leaky that says Dan could only stay for 30 min. at the party because of an early call the next day. Aww, poor kid, I hope they don't work him to death ;-) By the way, I just looked at Leaky and there is a lot more info on the party. Their report should be up soon, but there are links to pics and interviews, etc. Other sites have things up as well, including danradcliffe.com. Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 10:43:24 2004 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: "Tyro in 'Potter' brew, Helmer Yates rises to 'Phoenix'" Message-ID: <20041119104324.10281.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Variety: "...[Brit helmer David] Yates, who sparked to the idea of a film in which the student wizard navigates the hormonal cauldron, will likely have a directing deal in place by next week." The man close to being set to direct HP5 has only one film credit, "The Tichborne Claimant" from 1998 but has done award winning television such as "The Way We Live Now" and "State of Play." See http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0946734 for his entry there for other credits. Anyone seen these projects of Yates's? Currently also on Yates's plate: directing Jennifer Connelly and Paul Bettany in "Brideshead Revisited" to be distributed by WB's specialty/indie films/classics arm, Warner Independent. If production starts in late 2005 as planned, HP5 should hit theaters in summer 2007. The Variety article was posted on Variety.com a few hours ago and will be in print come dawn. http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117913774?categoryid=13&cs=1 (reminder: free trials are offered) Petra a n :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com From clshannon at aol.com Fri Nov 19 19:35:59 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:35:59 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "Tyro in 'Potter' brew, Helmer Yates rises to 'Phoenix'" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/04 2:45:01 AM, ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com writes: > Variety: "...[Brit helmer David] Yates, > who sparked to the idea of a film in > which the student wizard navigates the > hormonal cauldron, will likely have a > directing deal in place by next week." > I saw this story on Leaky, but right afterwards, they have a story denying it. Seems that David Heyman said it's not true, but a director will be named by Christmas. He said there are a few in the running. So, I guess we still don't know who will direct the next film ;-) Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Sat Nov 20 02:00:38 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:00:38 EST Subject: POA DVD Launch Message-ID: DanRadcliffe.com has a huge collection of pics from the launch. DanRadcliffe.co.uk has some very high res pics WB sent them, same pics as on the other sites, but so clear, you can see the raindrops in Dan's hair! Yes, his hair is a lot longer than it appeared in some previous pics, but his and Rupert's hair being so long should make the underwater scenes more dramatic. And Tom Felton is in the big group shot, all the way to the right. Look for Jamie Waylett (behind Emma) and keep looking right. Tom's hair is dark and it's completely vertical from the look of it (I don't know how else to describe it!). Jamie is going to be a giant like Robbie Coultrane, from the look of him! And the twins are so tall! Wish someone had a list of how tall each of them are now. Bonnie has suddenly blossomed into a very pretty young lady instead of the little girl she's looked like in the previous films, and she's nearly as tall as Emma. Dan's grown a lot but he's one of the smallest of the cast, so he can still play Harry for a LONG time (which is fine with me!) What do you suppose was going on with Emma? Most of the pictures of her have her looking like she's barely tolerating something, or is just disgusted. That's kind of odd, given where they were and what was going on. Any clues? I hadn't seen the note about Dan having to leave after 30 minutes, but I DID notice he wasn't in many of the pictures on Leaky, nor was he interviewed by CBBC or Extra, which bothered me. I hoped it was an early call that made him have to leave rather than some problem. Thanks for the info. Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clshannon at aol.com Sat Nov 20 02:16:14 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:16:14 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch Message-ID: <1db.2f64f6cb.2ed002ee@aol.com> In a message dated 11/19/04 6:02:05 PM, artsylynda at aol.com writes: > What do > you suppose was going on with? Emma?? Most of the pictures of her have her > looking like she's barely? tolerating something, or is just disgusted.? > That's > kind of odd, given? where they were and what was going on.? Any clues?? I > hadn't > seen the? note about Dan having to leave after 30 minutes, but I DID notice > he wasn't in? many of the pictures on Leaky, nor was he interviewed by CBBC > or > Extra, which? bothered me.? I hoped it was an early call that made him have > to > leave? rather than some problem.? Thanks for the info. > I didn't get that impression about Emma from the photos. Some of them were when the three of them were getting off the bus and they all had funny expressions on their faces. I think one of them may have said something funny and they all were amused ;) As for Dan's early departure, Leaky will put up Part 2 of their report soon, probably tomorrow, and they are going to have interviews with the actors. Perhaps there they will mention that he had an early call - I read that in one of the comments on the topic. It is logical that he would be working, he doesn't really get a lot of time off since he is usually in every scene of the movies ;-) Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Nov 21 11:44:08 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:44:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Buying POA DVD and does Walmart have senior discount? Message-ID: <4562.4.47.27.213.1101037448.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> I've heard that Walmart does a small discount on DVD release dates but does Walmart have 'senior citizen' days? Dina From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Sun Nov 21 13:14:07 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 21 Nov 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Buying POA DVD and does Walmart have senior discount? Message-ID: <1101042847.3651313426.32460.sendItem@bloglines.com> Dina Lerret" wrote: > I've heard that Walmart does a small discount on DVD release dates but Maybe. DVD prices vary widely from store to store. Generally, the closer the Walmart store is to competition (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.) the lower its DVD prices are. My Walmart is 25 miles from those kinds of stores so just about every new release is $19.95. (Yuck.) I have heard of the occasional store discounting new releases between midnight and 6am on Tuesdays, but that's far from widespread. I don't have the ad in hand yet but CompUSA is showing POA for $12.99 on their website. I'll definitely be price matching that. > does Walmart have 'senior citizen' days? A family member has worked there for 5 years, and she's never heard of Walmart having a senior citizen day. Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From redina at silverbloom.net Sun Nov 21 15:46:28 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:46:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: POA DVD $14.99 at Circuit City (Tue and Wed only) Message-ID: <1142.4.47.27.213.1101051988.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> With Walmart coming in at 17.86 as its 'official' price, I'm watching BBCAmerica and they aired a very brief Circuit City commercial for the POA DVD and mentioned a two day deal. http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericContent.do?oid=109753&c=1 Dina -- Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From scully931 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 04:05:11 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:05:11 -0000 Subject: POA DVD $14.99 at Circuit City (Tue and Wed only) In-Reply-To: <1142.4.47.27.213.1101051988.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Message-ID: Hey, thanks for posting this, Dina. Money's tight right now, so I'll definately go there! :-) ~Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" wrote: > With Walmart coming in at 17.86 as its 'official' price, I'm watching > BBCAmerica and they aired a very brief Circuit City commercial for the POA > DVD and mentioned a two day deal. > > http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericContent.do?oid=109753&c=1 > > Dina > > > > -- > Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ > ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic > LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS > My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Mon Nov 22 12:36:25 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 22 Nov 2004 12:36:25 -0000 Subject: POA DVD $12.99 at CompUSA Message-ID: <1101126985.1588844458.9215.sendItem@bloglines.com> This was in my post yesterday, but I wanted to mention it again in case someone missed it. CompUSA will have the Azkaban DVD for $12.99. It's on the second page of this week's circular if you want to price match it. The ad's prices are good only through Tuesday, but everybody will be getting it on Tuesday anyway, right? :-) Some may remember that CompUSA had the SS DVD for $9.99 when it first came out. They've always been good to us HP fans. Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Nov 22 13:54:23 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:54:23 EST Subject: A fun thing Message-ID: <144.3957858a.2ed3498f@aol.com> I have a POA DVD advertising thingie! One of those clear plastic things that clings to the window? It's circular, has the trio from the front of the box (NOT my favorite pic of Dan OR Harry!), with Harry on Buckbeak at the "1 o'clock" position, one wing sticking out of the circle of the cling. I have it taped to the wall here in my office. The video store where I go to send things UPS had one on the door to the store, and I said, "When you're done with that, can I have it?" and the guy said, "Here, take this one. The window was dirty and it wouldn't stick." So I wiped the dust off of it and have one myself! Yay!! My DVD should be here tomorrow, I think -- I ordered it on Amazon.com for $17.95 and got free shipping because I ordered the soundtracks from the first two HP movies at the same time. (Having bought the soundtrack for the first one and enjoyed it so much, I decided I may as well have a complete set!) Can't wait! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Nov 22 14:09:21 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:09:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD $12.99 at CompUSA In-Reply-To: <1101126985.1588844458.9215.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: I can't wait; I can't wait; I can't wait!!! 24 more hours to go! I feel like Christmas is coming early this year! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dzny72 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 22 21:55:14 2004 From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:55:14 -0000 Subject: POA DVD launch Message-ID: I may just be having a "computer illiterate" moment, but I searched DanRadcliffe.com looking for photos of the cast, etc. but couldn't find them. Could someone direct me or post a link? thanks!!! From clshannon at aol.com Mon Nov 22 23:24:57 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:24:57 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: POA DVD launch Message-ID: <20.38a9e1ca.2ed3cf49@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/04 2:02:38 PM, dzny72 at yahoo.com writes: > > I may just be having a "computer illiterate" moment, but I searched > DanRadcliffe.com looking for photos of the cast, etc. but couldn't > find them.? Could someone direct me or post a link? > Well, there isn't a way to actually link it because the webmasters put their pics in albums that pop up when you click on the link ;) Anyway, on the main page of danradcliffe.com, scroll down thru the news items in the box in the middle of the page. It's quite a ways down because there have been several stories lately. Oh, and I have to mention, the first story is about the picture that Dan is going to send to anyone who writes to him before Christmas. There is a scan of the picture and it's a real kick It was taken on the last day of filming the underwater sequences for the second task and it is of the whole crew of folks (plus Dan) who helped him do the underwater stunts. They are all under the water and he (or someone who helped him) photoshopped antlers on everyone. It's too cute ;-) And I might note, if that is the costume he will wear in the film for the task, we are seeing a lot more skin in this film than we ever did ;-) He's in shorts and a tank top Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Tue Nov 23 00:09:03 2004 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:09:03 -0000 Subject: POA DVD Launch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: Snip > What do you suppose was going on with Emma? Most of the pictures of her have her looking like she's barely tolerating something, or is just disgusted. That's kind of odd, given where they were and what was going on. Any clues? Snip Thanks for the info. > > Lynda > > "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP > > Actually, I think most of them look like she was just looking around and distracted - maybe not ready for a photograph. She did look happy (as someone else mentioned) when the trio first got off the bus. However, there are a couple of pictures on danradcliffe.com where the main picture is of Dan and Alfonso but they also have Emma hugging David Heyman and she looks a little sad. Maybe one of them was having a bad day - hence the hug with her looking a bit sad. She is off to the side in these two photos. Otherwise I thought she looked pretty much as she always does for the group shots. Rupert is the one to me that always looks distracted or out of it. He is a shy person I hear so maybe that is why. Still I think all the actors always look so pleased to be present for event and they are all growing up to be so pretty or handsome. I can hardly wait until tomorrow to get my DVD! Theresa From scully931 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 23 02:38:26 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:38:26 -0000 Subject: POA DVD $12.99 at CompUSA In-Reply-To: <1101126985.1588844458.9215.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: Ooo! Keep going lower! Do I hear $10.99??? Thanks for posting this Manda! --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote: > This was in my post yesterday, but I wanted to mention it again in case someone > missed it. CompUSA will have the Azkaban DVD for $12.99. It's on the second > page of this week's circular if you want to price match it. The ad's prices > are good only through Tuesday, but everybody will be getting it on Tuesday > anyway, right? :-) > > Some may remember that CompUSA had the SS DVD for $9.99 > when it first came out. They've always been good to us HP fans. > > Manda > -- > http://www.jenesaisoz.com From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Nov 23 04:43:05 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:43:05 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch Message-ID: <1a5.2b325965.2ed419d9@aol.com> _DanRadcliffe.com A Daniel Radcliffe site_ (http://www.danradcliffe.com/) <-- go here and scroll down. The first thing on the page is a new Christmas card from Dan which is a hoot! Check it out! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clshannon at aol.com Tue Nov 23 04:50:04 2004 From: clshannon at aol.com (clshannon at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:50:04 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch Message-ID: <145.39674c83.2ed41b7c@aol.com> In a message dated 11/22/04 8:46:53 PM, artsylynda at aol.com writes: > <-- go here and scroll down.? The first thing on the? page is a new > Christmas > card from Dan which is a hoot!? Check it out!? > I know ;-) I posted about this earlier today and couldn't believe no one responded ;-) Gotta love the outfit, uh? Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Schlobin1 at aol.com Tue Nov 23 07:31:25 2004 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:31:25 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: <1671.4.12.232.24.1100643083.squirrel@www.silverbloom.net> Message-ID: Okay, folks, so what's the big deal? If you think that it's ridiculous and impossible that two guys could be lovers, you're not living in the real world. Men loving men, women loving women, and men being sexual and life partners with men and women being sexual and life partners with women has existed throughout time. People are talking more about it in popular culture these days than they used to..but remember the Bloomsbury group, Alexander the Great, etc....same gender love has existed forever. If you think it's absolutely impossible that there could be same gender partners in the Harry Potter universe, then you are saying something not about reality, but about the JKR universe. You're saying that JKR is a bigot who does not believe that same gender partners belong in a universe that embodies the ideas of right and wrong..or that she has decided it's too risky to include same gender partners...or that she herself had a hetero-centric view of the universe that (like Harry) could not imagine love partners of the same gender. I don't think so personally..(and btw, has everyone noticed that Fiona Shaw who plays Aunt Petunia is probably a lesbian?) Re: fantasy and slash...whatever turns you on..but vis a vis canon, it is totally clear that Harry is heterosexual as are Cho, Hermione, Ron, Viktor, Percy, Molly, Arthur, Hagrid, Olympe, Ginny, Neville... who am I missing? I would suggest that either Sirius and Lupin love each other as brothers, or are lovers... Now, some of you will squeal and object that they might be lovers seeing this as "lesser" or saying something negative about them. Clearly, from the books, and from the Prisoner of Azkbaban (which JRK approved) they love each other dearly...the scenes in the Shrieking Shack and on the grounds outside of the Whomping Willow indicate that... The director of the PoA has clearly instituted a gay subtext...when Lupin says that "people like him" are used to moving....his use of the music in facing the Boggart, his tweeds, his gentleness....either the director is making an analogy to gay men or he is suggesting that the character Lupin is not just oppressed as a werewolf, but is really, truly a gay man....who knows... When Lupin is turning into the werewolf, he cries "Padfoot, padfoot.." When Sirius embraces him earlier, he talks about his heart.... Snape makes the obviously homophobic comment "you're arguing like an old married couple." Now, Snape is really a vile guy...and he is being vile. Whether Lupin and Sirius are REALLY lovers, and he is being a jerk about that..or whether they love each other as dear friends and brothers..... and Snape is being contemptuous of their love of each other and saying "gosh, you guys love each other, you must be faggots..." whatever, Snape is being homophobic...saying the WORST thing you could say about two guys is that they are lovers, ergo, they are not real men, they are like women, and therefore lesser... Historically, directors and actors have had to be subtle about love between two men or love between two women. Or their films would not have been allowed to be made. They made subtle references, which only lesbians and gays would pick up on. (Ben Hur, for example). Or the song in Anna and King of Siam (we speak in the shadows, afraid to be heard, when people are near, we speak not a word)...... So, I suggest...don't get hysterical about the idea that Remus and Sirius might have been lovers..if you do, you are saying that being gay is bad, and therefore you are a bigot.... There's a distinct possibility there were lovers... There's also a clear possibility that they were dear friends and loved each other and were not sexual in the expression of their love. JKR will tell us (eventually) what the real deal is... Susan McGee From ejblack at rogers.com Tue Nov 23 12:32:42 2004 From: ejblack at rogers.com (ejblack) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:32:42 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Sirus... gay? References: Message-ID: <000601c4d158$8c85c240$334a1946@blackc02b2gycq> Susan McGee wrote: Okay, folks, so what's the big deal? So, I suggest...don't get hysterical about the idea that Remus and Sirius might have been lovers..if you do, you are saying that being gay is bad, and therefore you are a bigot.... There's a distinct possibility there were lovers... There's also a clear possibility that they were dear friends and loved each other and were not sexual in the expression of their love. Susan this is a brillant and sensitive letter. I could not agree more. Rowland definitly portrayed deep affection between the two, how that may have been expressed is left to the reader. I agree in the movie the director definitly gave a subtext that Lupin, at least, was gay. Rowland may not ever clarify the exact relationship in the books, nor does she need to, it is Harry's story after all. The effect on him of the example of loyality and love is what is important. How he understands the relationship may change as he matures, but he will always remember love. Jeanette [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From redina at silverbloom.net Tue Nov 23 14:56:55 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:56:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: <000601c4d158$8c85c240$334a1946@blackc02b2gycq> References: <000601c4d158$8c85c240$334a1946@blackc02b2gycq> Message-ID: <3012.4.47.27.213.1101221815.squirrel@4.47.27.213> ejblack said: > Rowland may not ever clarify the exact relationship in the books, nor Err, who is Rowland? {g} Dina From anmsmom333 at cox.net Tue Nov 23 20:02:55 2004 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:02:55 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Susan, your arguement was well thought out and written. It does give me pause in my mindset of "no-way I don't see that". However, I still think what Mr Cuaron was implying was the werewolf stigmatism. I only say this because of past experiences. The first was from my childhood. A friend of mine who had a disfigurement and was often told she could not join in with us for activities because there was concern about 'someone like her' bothering others or some such rubbish. In fact when we did plays in school the teacher had her working the sets and never gave her a chance for a role and she was a great actress. Another friend of mine was treated the same way because she had epilepsy. 'She might have a fit if we gave her a role in the play.' Anyway, that was why I thought the line in the movie, 'someone like me' was just in prejudice to his being a werewolf. I know Mr Cuaron also said Lupin was like your gay uncle you don't talk about but again I thought that was in referrence to the lycanthropy stigmatism. He seems to have used other analogies filming for the actors to understand their roles better. As for the love between Sirius and Remus shown in the movie, well I didn't think of 'gay' there either because my very hetrosexual husband and his best friends are very similar. They stand up for one another, they sit and listen when one is troubled about something and yes they even hug one another. So their behavior in the film did not say 'they are gay' to me, just really close brotherly type friends. However, I do see how it could be construed that way and I would have no issues with it either way myself. I always wondered what was up with only James getting a girl when JKR mentioned Sirius was supposedly quite handsome while a student at Hogwarts. I really will not mind if it turns out they were a couple at least then they would have had 'someone' while James had Lily. And also if they were a couple maybe that is why Remus forgave Sirius for the infamous prank. Maybe someday JKR will let us know about both the prank and if they were a couple. Personally, I am more curious about what the line Alfonso had in the film about 'Lily being there when no one else was' means to Remus. It was never in the books so that might be the foreshadowing JKR mentions was in the film. Also, if he was in love with her won't that throw a wrench into the Remus and Sirius as a couple theory? Or maybe not. Theresa who is anxious for the workday to be over today to see if the UPS truck delivered my POA DVD so I can watch these scenes again AND see the other 'goodies' on the disk. Why is 5:00 so far away?! From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Tue Nov 23 21:58:16 2004 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:58:16 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" wrote: > > Okay, folks, so what's the big deal? > > If you think that it's ridiculous and impossible that two guys could > be lovers, you're not living in the real world. > > same gender love has existed forever. > > If you think it's absolutely impossible that there could be same > gender partners in the Harry Potter universe, > > You're saying that JKR is a bigot> > > has everyone noticed that Fiona Shaw who plays Aunt Petunia is probably a lesbian?) > > it is totally clear that Harry is heterosexual as are Cho, Hermione, > Ron, Viktor, Percy, Molly, Arthur, Hagrid, Olympe, Ginny, Neville... > > some of you will squeal and object that they might be lovers > > The director of the PoA has clearly instituted a gay subtext...when > Lupin says that "people like him" are used to moving....his use of > the music in facing the Boggart, his tweeds, his gentleness....either > the director is making an analogy to gay men > > Snape makes the obviously homophobic comment "you're arguing like an old married couple." > > Now, Snape is really a vile guy > > don't get hysterical about the idea that Remus and > Sirius might have been lovers > Susan McGee I don't want to upset anyone, and I'm a gay man, but: There isn't any deal!! No-one thinks it's impossible for two guys to be lovers. Of course same gender love has existed forever, everyone knows that. No-one is saying there couldn't be same-sex partners in HP. No-one is saying that JKR is a bigot. It's impossible to NOTICE that someone is a gay woman; there's nothing in their physical appearance to indicate it. On the other hand there's no way of knowing that your list of characters are heterosexual. No-one will do any sqealing and objecting. The director has NOT clearly, or in any other way, instituted a gay sub-text. "People like him" means werewolves - pure and simple, no sub-text, nothing more. Music, tweeds, gentleness - nothing to do with gayness at all. The director is NOT making ANY analogy. There's NOTHING homophobic about Snape's remark about couples. No-one is getting hysterical about that idea. It's very nice of you to defend gay people and gayness generally, but first, we don't need defending, and second, there's nothing in the books or the films to be defensive about. From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Tue Nov 23 23:45:47 2004 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:45:47 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I forgot to add: Snape is NOT a "vile guy". From scully931 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 02:39:30 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:39:30 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I agree with you. I'm all for discussion. But, I feel like not reading posts anymore when people insinuate I am not picking up on something that is *definately* there - no discussion needed. :-) Everyone has different views. My best friend happens to be a lesbian. I asked her opinion on this, not because she is homosexual, but because we discuss all things Potter. Her reaction was basically, 'what in the heck? He's a werewolf! That's why people don't want their kids taught by him!' Just because you don't believe Lupin is gay doesn't make you homophobic. It also doesn't mean you are "missing" something. As I said before, people read into everything. (And, it makes life interesting) but, we have to remember, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Maybe she just wanted a character who is a werewolf. Happy Thanksgiving! :-) ~Deborah > > I don't want to upset anyone, and I'm a gay man, but: > There isn't any deal!! > No-one thinks it's impossible for two guys to be lovers. > Of course same gender love has existed forever, everyone knows that. > No-one is saying there couldn't be same-sex partners in HP. > No-one is saying that JKR is a bigot. > It's impossible to NOTICE that someone is a gay woman; there's > nothing in their physical appearance to indicate it. > On the other hand there's no way of knowing that your list of > characters are heterosexual. > No-one will do any sqealing and objecting. > The director has NOT clearly, or in any other way, instituted a gay > sub-text. > "People like him" means werewolves - pure and simple, no sub-text, > nothing more. > Music, tweeds, gentleness - nothing to do with gayness at all. > The director is NOT making ANY analogy. > There's NOTHING homophobic about Snape's remark about couples. > No-one is getting hysterical about that idea. > It's very nice of you to defend gay people and gayness generally, > but first, we don't need defending, and second, there's nothing in > the books or the films to be defensive about. From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Nov 24 03:07:01 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:07:01 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD launch Message-ID: > <-- go here and scroll down. The first thing on the page is a new > Christmas > card from Dan which is a hoot! Check it out! > I know ;-) I posted about this earlier today and couldn't believe no one responded ;-) Gotta love the outfit, uh? Cindy<< Yeah, it's cute. Apparently, Dan's double and "Cedric" and his double are in the pic (yellow tank tops = Hufflepuff) and the girl. . .I don't have any idea who she is, but some folks think she's the one playing Fleur. She doesn't LOOK like she has blond hair, and at that depth (20 feet) all of their faces look Oriental (someone on the message board on DanRadcliffe.com said that, at 20 feet of depth, you get a "natural face lift," LOL! Dan looks quite Chinese, with his eyes squinted mostly shut, his cheeks puffy and trying to get to the surface of the water, and a very funny little "teeth-showing" smile while holding his breath! He's the only one without a Rudolph nose, too. He did a good job on the noses -- the people farthest away have smaller, darker noses. Good for him! Jenna at DanRadcliffe.com says he did the antlers and noses himself. It's a fun pic, anyway! And my POA DVD arrived today from Amazon.com! YAY!! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From emhutch at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 24 01:11:15 2004 From: emhutch at sbcglobal.net (eilissf2000) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:11:15 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanmcgee48176" > wrote: > > > > If you think that it's ridiculous and impossible that two guys could be lovers, you're not living in the real world.same gender love has existed forever.If you think it's absolutely impossible that there could be same gender partners in the Harry Potter universe, You're saying that JKR is a bigot has everyone noticed that Fiona Shaw who plays Aunt Petunia is probably a lesbian?)it is totally clear that Harry is heterosexual as are Cho, Hermione, Ron, Viktor, Percy, Molly, Arthur, Hagrid, Olympe, Ginny, Neville... some of you will squeal and object that they might be lovers The director of the PoA has clearly instituted a gay subtext...when Lupin says that "people like him" are used to moving....his use of the music in facing the Boggart, his tweeds, his gentleness....either the director is making an analogy to gay men Snape makes the obviously homophobic comment "you're arguing like > an old married couple." > > > > Now, Snape is really a vile guy > > > > don't get hysterical about the idea that Remus and Sirius might have been lovers Susan McGee > > I don't want to upset anyone, and I'm a gay man, but: > There isn't any deal!! > No-one thinks it's impossible for two guys to be lovers. > Of course same gender love has existed forever, everyone knows that. > No-one is saying there couldn't be same-sex partners in HP. > No-one is saying that JKR is a bigot. > It's impossible to NOTICE that someone is a gay woman; there's > nothing in their physical appearance to indicate it. > On the other hand there's no way of knowing that your list of > characters are heterosexual. > No-one will do any sqealing and objecting. > The director has NOT clearly, or in any other way, instituted a gay > sub-text. > "People like him" means werewolves - pure and simple, no sub-text, > nothing more. > Music, tweeds, gentleness - nothing to do with gayness at all. > The director is NOT making ANY analogy. > There's NOTHING homophobic about Snape's remark about couples. > No-one is getting hysterical about that idea. > It's very nice of you to defend gay people and gayness generally, > but first, we don't need defending, and second, there's nothing in > the books or the films to be defensive about. To prevent any charges of Homophobia- I'm a lezzie: don't jump down my throught, but it is soooo possible to 'notice gay women'. A more perfect example of a dyke you could'nt find then my girlfriend. But back on topic...I think that in the BOOKS, no there isn't any gay subtext. However in the movie...look I'll be the first to admit that my gaydar is wonky, but to me there are clear signs of queerness. 1)The music. yes it's a cliche; but it's a movie, they MUST speak in short-hand- there's only a few hours to tell the tale and so they do it constantly, with speech patterns, walk, name (come on, 'Draco Malfoy?!) and clothes. Which brings me neatly to... 2)Tweed. That, I believe is more to do with him being a Brit than gayness really, but still it is worth taking a look at. 3)The gentleness. I have yet to meet a 100% straight man who is quite that sweet. I'll give you there probably are some out there, but I have yet to meet them. Also- we can't marry, our youth is at the highst risk for suicide of all teens, we are still regularly attacked(not just verbaly, too) and in some countries there's still a fairly high risk for being thrown in jail, or killed...yes we do need defending. a somewhat pissy-sfeilis From thestral_storm at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 01:41:38 2004 From: thestral_storm at yahoo.com (thestral_storm) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:41:38 -0000 Subject: help! where are deleted scenes on poa dvd? Message-ID: hey guys---i have my new poa dvd---and i can't figure out where the "never before seen footage is"---where are the scenes that did not make it to the movie?? probably something obviously---but i don't get it thanks-- t.s. From scully931 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 06:09:23 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:09:23 -0000 Subject: help! where are deleted scenes on poa dvd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, it took me a bit of searching as well. Second disc under "Divination." Trelawy's crystal ball. If you look in the Marauder's Map type thing in the front of the DVD case, it shows you where each item can be located. Cheers! ~Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "thestral_storm" wrote: > > > hey guys---i have my new poa dvd---and i can't figure out where > the "never before seen footage is"---where are the scenes that did > not make it to the movie?? probably something obviously---but i > don't get it > > thanks-- > t.s. From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 10:56:08 2004 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:56:08 -0000 Subject: "Tyro in 'Potter' brew, Helmer Yates rises to 'Phoenix'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, clshannon at a... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/19/04 2:45:01 AM, ms_petra_pan at y... writes: > > > > Variety: "...[Brit helmer David] Yates, > > who sparked to the idea of a film in > > which the student wizard navigates the > > hormonal cauldron, will likely have a > > directing deal in place by next week." > > > > I saw this story on Leaky, but right afterwards, they have a story denying > it. Seems that David Heyman said it's not true, but a director will be named by > Christmas. He said there are a few in the running. > So, I guess we still don't know who will direct the next film ;-) > Cindy Cinefex is repeating the same story, and citing Variety as the source. I received my Cinefex email with this info in it on Nov. 23rd. Looks like this rumor is still going.... Diana L. dianasdolls From flitwicksman at yahoo.com Wed Nov 24 14:12:49 2004 From: flitwicksman at yahoo.com (Brian Cordova) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:12:49 -0000 Subject: Something I didn't think about... Message-ID: ...until I saw the POA movie; after all he had been through, wouldn't Sirus had been just a tad stinky? I mean, he looked stinky and I doubt that he had had much time to stop and shower. I kept waiting for the kids to flinch a little. Brian:-) From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Wed Nov 24 15:00:39 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 24 Nov 2004 15:00:39 -0000 Subject: What's your magic number? Message-ID: <1101308439.3767573922.30594.sendItem@bloglines.com> Does WB have magic or mischief in mind, I wonder? At 17:37 on the POA DVD during Mr. Weasley's talk with Harry a number is flashed in the bottom left of the screen below Sirius's poster. It appears for about two frames. http://tinyurl.com/5jj47 [DVDTalk forum] There's some speculation that the numbers are region-specific, that it's a way for WB to tell what area might be making bootlegs. That seems like a rather useless plan, but who knows? Studios have come up with a number of stupid ideas over the years. [If anyone wants to follow-up on the regional idea, mine is 301 and I bought it at Walmart in Kentucky.] Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Wed Nov 24 15:13:14 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 24 Nov 2004 15:13:14 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What's your magic number? Message-ID: <1101309194.3571964040.11645.sendItem@bloglines.com> [replying to myself - sorry!] > There's some speculation that the numbers are region-specific, > that it's a way for WB to tell what area might be making bootlegs. Scratch that idea. I'm now reading the thread at the Home Theater Forum, and "302" has been reported by people with both NTSC and PAL versions of the DVD. It's all very strange. Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 24 15:48:41 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:48:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] underwater In-Reply-To: <145.39674c83.2ed41b7c@aol.com> Message-ID: ... The first thing on the? page is a new Christmas card from Dan which is a hoot!? Check it out!? [from Valerie] Funneeeeee!! Can you imagine the coordination of getting all those people down there for a quick shot before they all drowned?! Most of them are not wearing air tanks. Can't wait to see the scenes in GOF, and especially if Dan is scantily clad to show off his buff bod, instead of wearing those cumbersome dress robes, as per the book! :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 24 16:14:06 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:14:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "joxy" There's NOTHING homophobic about Snape's remark about couples. [from Valerie] Then why did Cuaron add that in? I found it a strange thing for Snape to say, when I heard it. And it's definitely not in the book, as well as Sirius's retort of "Go play with your chemistry set!" I do think Snape was just trying to jerk Sirius's chain, by making what he considered to be a derogatory remark. Obviously no love lost between the two of them! Cuaron does seem to make some funky, often sexually-innuendoed remarks. What a character he must've been to work with! As per the earlier post, it does seem to me that Lupin had an extra special fondness for Lily. Whether it was sexual in nature, I don't know. But she obviously was a very true and dear friend to him. ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ WARNING! This group contains spoilers! Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions? Any problems? Contact your personal List Elf or the List Administration Team at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 24 17:46:52 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:46:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA DVD In-Reply-To: <1e1.2fbca0fc.2ecc72a1@aol.com> Message-ID: [from Valerie, in reference to patientx3's comments on the new DVD, posted below] So has everyone gotten their DVD yet?!!! I was excited to get the $12.99 CompUSA deal, as I saw it elsewhere for $24.99! I, too, was annoyed by the shrunken head. But then again, it bugged me in the movie too. Some comedy is just unnecessary, IMO. Loved the interviews! I can't believe Tom said he has not gotten one date as a result of being in the HP movies. Maybe he's not date-worthy in real life?!! Looks like a cutie to me! Did you see those awesome shots of him fishing (can't remember what site it was on; I navigate through so many of them. Hot, hot, hot, though! I love the blond Draco hair on him). I liked the deleted McGonagal scene. Neat to see her with her hair down for a change, and I liked Hermione's braids! I wish they had filmed the Sirius attacking Ron/Scabbers scene. That would've been cool. What I liked about the great hall scene about Honeydukes was all the kids playing with their Hogsmead toys and treats. Seemed very "real". Though I thought Dan's last scene eating the candy was a tad weak. Maybe that's why they decided to turn it into the dorm scene?? That's a nice "slice-o-life" view of Hogwarts, too. Today, I'll watch the movie, though I know it by heart already from many theatre viewings. I will still enjoy it immensely. Happy Thanksgiving, American HP Fans! Valerie patientx3 at aol.com I went through all the special features already (except for the kiddie ones). I'll describe them below, with a little spoiler space for those of you who want to be surprised (with the deleted scenes at the end). Okay the rest is mild spoilers... * The special features disc is a little annoying to navigate. Its not as bad as the first movie, but still I wish they'd just put "Deleted Scenes" on the menu instead of hiding it under something else. The deleted scenes, cast interviews, and JKR interview (in which she said she liked the shrunken heads thing, go figure), are under the "Divination Class" option. There are 7 separate interviews, all five or so minutes long. The first is with Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, and Daniel Radcliffe, the second is with the people that play Seamus, Neville and Fred and George (sorry, I'm too lazy to look up their real names), third is with Tom Felton and the kids who play Crabbe and Goyle, fourth is with Gary Oldman and David Thewlis, fifth is with Robbie Coltrane and Michael Gambon, sixth is the people who play the Dursleys (including Marge), and the final one is with Cuaron and two of the production designers. All the interviews involve the shrunken head from the Knight Bus as one of the interviewers, and it is EXTERMELY annoying, they are going for some sort of comedy, although I don't know why (the questions are already rather simple, ex. "What would your boggart be?"). Fortunately, the shrunken head is left out of pretty much all of the adult interviews (except for one comment at the end of each one), but he's pretty involved in the kid ones. In 'Hagrid's Hut' under the 'Grounds' menu option, there's a featurette on the animals in the film, which was pretty interesting, and there's a making of-ish featurette that talks about the makeup and CG and the dementors and all that. Then of course there's the deleted scenes. * Most of them are fluff, and I can see why they were cut from the film. There's 5 in all. The first is just extra Knight Bus (which there was plenty of in the movie), and there's a scene of that bird that got killed by the whomping willow bothering Hagrid as it was flying around (which was sort of funny), there was the Sneakascope scene, which is just Ron bringing Harry one from Hogsmeade, rather pointless since they don't show it lighting up or anything. The last two were the most interesting. One was about Sir Cadagen being appointed as the new portrait guard and him changing the passwords all the time, and the last scene was the Sirius break-in scene (I cannot figure out why they cut it out). It starts with the aftermath (no Gary Oldman, sadly), and has McGonagal finding out Neville lost the passwords, and then warning all the children to be careful, since Sirius Black might break in again. There's a brief moment of Ron/Hermione arguing (which felt sort of awkward, maybe there was something else leading into it that was cut), and then it has the Harry moment from the international trailer where he says "He was right there, he was close enough to touch", referring to Sirius. I wish it was in, because its a nice followup on the Harry wanting to kill Sirius thing. -Rebecca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Nov 24 17:52:19 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:52:19 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] POA DVD Launch In-Reply-To: <78.666b5dec.2ecee7eb@aol.com> Message-ID: [from Valerie] Did you see those fantastic close-up shots of Dan on Danradcliffe.com? So close you could see the stubble on his chin and those GORGEOUS eyes! What a handsome l'il devil he is! And I thought Emma was beautiful in her gown, as well. David Thewlis is a giant! Handsome as well. And why does Gary Oldman sometimes look really old, as in the POA DVD interview, then, as per the POA Launch pix, really youthful? Odd...must be the camera. Those aren't even the first pics we've seen since GOF began filming ;-) There were some of Dan getting into a car on the lot and the hair was long then. He's been filming since before POA even came out, so it's a long filming schedule, for him mostly. I think that some of the other kids mentioned starting in July of this year. As to Percy's hair - I think it looked pretty wild in POA, if I recall. Although we only see him briefly, I seem to remember 'wild hair' There is one comment on Leaky that says Dan could only stay for 30 min. at the party because of an early call the next day. Aww, poor kid, I hope they don't work him to death ;-) By the way, I just looked at Leaky and there is a lot more info on the party. Their report should be up soon, but there are links to pics and interviews, etc. Other sites have things up as well, including danradcliffe.com. Cindy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ejblack at rogers.com Wed Nov 24 20:04:39 2004 From: ejblack at rogers.com (Jeanette) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:04:39 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: eilissf2000" wrote: However in the movie...look I'll be the first to admit that > my gaydar is wonky, but to me there are clear signs of queerness. > 1)The music. yes it's a cliche; but it's a movie, they MUST speak in > short-hand- there's only a few hours to tell the tale and so they do > it constantly, with speech patterns, walk, name (come on, 'Draco > Malfoy?!) and clothes. Which brings me neatly to... > 2)Tweed. That, I believe is more to do with him being a Brit than > gayness really, but still it is worth taking a look at. > 3)The gentleness. I have yet to meet a 100% straight man who is > quite that sweet. I'll give you there probably are some out there, > but I have yet to meet them. > Actually, thinking about it, I think the movie director did put in the gay cliches BECAUSE he wanted to have the viewers watching relate on a deeper level to the discrimation that werewolves suffer in the WW. Not many of us know any werewolves in our everyday life but we are all aware of the difficulties facing gay people both in our culture and around the world. Gay bashing has been deep in our cultures for centuries. A very profound theme in all the books is judging people for themselves, not the group they were born into. To bring that theme into a context that the moviegoers could "get" in the two hours that the movies run makes hinting that being an werewolf (a life-state not choosen) equals being gay in terms of social treatment a very good tool. Remember most of the movie run time must be about Harry and his troubles with very little left to comment on such a wide- ranging problem. So, in a way, everybody who has commented on this topic is right; the relationship between Lupin and Sirus may be just deep friendship in the books; AND yes there are hints of a gay bond between them in the movies. Hope the spellings not too bad, I am dashing this off before running to work, no time to reread. Jeanette From joj at rochester.rr.com Wed Nov 24 23:46:54 2004 From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:46:54 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA DVD References: Message-ID: <004201c4d27f$e0dd5e20$3ea2ca45@bumbargey3ogmz> From: "Valerie Flowe" > > So has everyone gotten their DVD yet?!!! I was excited to get the $12.99 > CompUSA deal, as I saw it elsewhere for $24.99! Joj: I got mine at Walmart for $16.96. I'm ok with that, as I didn't have to drive out of my way. > I liked the deleted McGonagal scene. Neat to see her with her hair down for > a change, and I liked Hermione's braids! I wish they had filmed the Sirius > attacking Ron/Scabbers scene. That would've been cool. I thought the McGonagal scene was weak. When I first heard they shot it and left it out, I thought they were crazy. I just don't think the scene worked. Where was the drama? They needed to show Sirius in the dorm room, not just have Ron mention "dodging a knife". No one was panicking or really upset. I did like Harry saying he "was close enough to touch" and "he could have killed him", but it would have been good to see the close call. >Though I > thought Dan's last scene eating the candy was a tad weak. Maybe that's why > they decided to turn it into the dorm scene?? That's a nice "slice-o-life" > view of Hogwarts, too. I wonder if there was a special effect missing, like the steam out of the ears? Otherwise it doesn't make much sense. > Today, I'll watch the movie, though I know it by heart already from many > theatre viewings. I will still enjoy it immensely. We watched it last night and twice this morning, back to back. I told my kids were not watching it again tonight, although I'm feeling very tempted. I must say, the more I watch it, the more impressed I am with Daniel Radcliffe's performance. He's very expressive with his eyes. I also love his sarcasm. Much more like book Harry! > > Happy Thanksgiving, American HP Fans! > > Valerie Thanks! Joj From Schlobin1 at aol.com Thu Nov 25 00:10:00 2004 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:10:00 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? and Hermione and Ron In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > From: "joxy" > > There's NOTHING homophobic about Snape's remark about couples. > Hmmm....okay, was Snape being nice to Sirius? No, he was insulting him... The insult would not have been very powerful if it had been Minerva McGonagall and Albus Dumbledore who had been "fighting." If Snape had said that to Profs. M and D it wouldn't have been much on an insult. It WAS an insult; Snape hates Sirius; he was trying to be nasty; so he dipped into the well of bigotry...so therefore I think his comment was homophobic. I am not terribly convinced by folks who say "my best friend is gay and he doesn't think that was homophobic." As illustrated right here on this list, lesbians and gay men are not monolithic, do not agree about everything, and often don't think alike. Obviously, Lupin is a werewolf and obviously the parents are discriminating against him because he's a werewolf. That doesn't mean Cuaron isn't also doing a gay sub-text...meaning that he is also analogizing to the ostracism of gays and lesbians. In the 1950s, lesbians and gays in the U.S. were totally closeted, routinely lost their jobs..and CERTAINLY we still lose jobs as teachers or child care providers because of the myth that we molest children. It's one of the most pernicious and nasty myths about lesbians and gays. One of the cues here is "parents don't want..well, someone like me..teaching their children." Why didn't he say "parents don't want werewolves teaching their children?" I watched the interviews on the dvd of the PoA yesterday (am I missing some deleted scenes? was very disappointed there weren't more, but it is WONderful to be able to pause and figure out who's who in the picture of the Weasley family in Egypt..it was said that JKR approved the changes in the PoA saying that they foreshadowed the last two books..that there are clues as to what will happen.. I think it's also obvious (remember just my opinion)that the movie clearly indicates that Ron and Hermione will have the relationship..THEY are bickering like an old married couple..she calls him Ronald..and there is the cutest interaction while Harry and Sirius are talking about Hogwarts and Sirius is suggesting that Harry come and live with him (whew I was sad when I realized that Sirius will never re-enter Hogwarts as a free man, and he and Harry will never live together in the country)...I picked it up on the dvd.. Ron is saying "my leg, it may be permanently damaged"...clearly the mirror image of Malfoy boasting to Pansy Parkinson (was it Pansy)..but of course Ron has no ulterior motive of getting rid of Buckbeak, he is just drinking in Hermione's concern. Very sweet. Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > WARNING! This group contains spoilers! > > Before posting to any HPFGU list, you MUST read the group's Admin Files! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/files/Admin%20Files/ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material > from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions? Any problems? Contact your personal List Elf or the List > Administration Team at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribing? Email HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > oups/S=1705020948:HM/EXP=1101337873/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12iu6oc90/*http: //clk. > atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=1101251473877516> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Thu Nov 25 01:43:57 2004 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:43:57 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jeanette" wrote: > I think the movie director did put in the gay cliches BECAUSE he wanted to have the viewers watching relate on a deeper level to the discrimation that werewolves suffer in the WW. He did NOT put in GAY cliches; they're just cliches. He has NO interest at all in wanting viewers to relate on a deeper level. >....but we are all aware of the difficulties facing gay people.... Gay bashing has been deep in our cultures for centuries. No, "we" are not all aware of such difficulties. It has NOT been deep in our cultures that way. > ....hinting that being an werewolf....equals being gay in terms of social treatment a very good tool. > ....yes there are hints of a gay bond between them in the movies. There are NO such hints. All imho, of course - but from a GAY viewpoint. Sorry! .... From spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 01:48:52 2004 From: spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com (~SpellBound Gryffindor~) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 01:48:52 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ Message-ID: ~*~*~*~ Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide Screen format... and Why? Does the Black Bars cutting off the top and bottom of the picture on the Wide Screen format bother you? Does the Wide Screen picture look too 'stretched out' to you? The Full Screen format fills the whole TV screen and does not have the black bars. But, please tell me which format your prefer... Full Screen or Wide Screen ... and all the reasons Why! I have the Full Screen versions on DVD and am thinking of buying all the HP movies in Wide Screen format also! Please share with me your opinions! :~D {I am a Harry Potter *Fanatic*... I've read the 5 books several times and watched the first 2 movies countless times. Have all complete 5 HP books unabridged on Boxed Set CD's performed/read by Jim Dale, chosen by JK Rowling. And, I have the the musical soundtracks of the movies etc. Each and ALL of these I am enjoying over and over!} ~*~*~*~ ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ ^,,^************************************************************ >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor From tmarends at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 02:06:36 2004 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:06:36 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Widescreen over Pan and Scan Fullscreen anyday!!! You miss some of the details in the Fullscreen version. Just my opinion. Tim --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "~SpellBound Gryffindor~" wrote: > > > > ~*~*~*~ Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer > watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide > Screen format... and Why? > > Does the Black Bars cutting off the top and bottom of the picture on > the Wide Screen format bother you? Does the Wide Screen picture look > too 'stretched out' to you? The Full Screen format fills the > whole TV screen and does not have the black bars. But, please tell me > which format your prefer... Full Screen or Wide Screen ... and all > the reasons Why! I have the Full Screen versions on DVD and am > thinking of buying all the HP movies in Wide Screen format also! > Please share with me your opinions! :~D > > {I am a Harry Potter *Fanatic*... I've read the 5 books several times > and watched the first 2 movies countless times. Have all complete 5 HP > books unabridged on Boxed Set CD's performed/read by Jim Dale, chosen > by JK Rowling. And, I have the the musical soundtracks of the movies > etc. Each and ALL of these I am enjoying over and over!} ~*~*~*~ > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ > > ^,,^************************************************************ > >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 03:27:10 2004 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:27:10 -0000 Subject: Arrgh!! DVD Frustrations... Message-ID: I am a BIG DVD fan. As such, I find myself dissappointed time and time again, with the Potter DVDs' extra features. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some gripes: #1 Movie Version WITH commentary...I would have LOVED to hear insight on why certain scenes were added, how actors interpreted things, and just plain silly anecdotes on the moment. #2 More cut scenes, please also WITH commentary. #3 I understand all the cute games and such are fun for the kids, but PLEASE provide EASY to see SHORTCUTS for adults and kids who may not want to be bothered. #4 Where were the rest of the Gryffindors? and Sltyherins? How about interviewing the Weasley's? #5 More on details of the production that weren't highlighted but were CLEARLY from the book (like the blast-ended skrut(sp.?), Hagrid fed. Maurader's Map design, etc... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On the Plus side... #1 Glad to see a more cast inclusive interview section! :-) #2 Actors from the film included in the room tours, nice touch. #3 Sir Cadogan (feeling up a maiden, no less)!! #4 Though, I've stated many times, that I'm not a fan of the early films, I found the tying together of Columbus and Cuaron very tasteful. :-) I can't say it enough, commentary, commentary, commentary, PLEASE!!! Next time, PLEASE inlcude a commentary version. ;-) daughter @)--/--- "A book is not a film. A film is not a book." From redina at silverbloom.net Thu Nov 25 04:08:50 2004 From: redina at silverbloom.net (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:08:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3911.4.47.27.213.1101355730.squirrel@4.47.27.213> Tim said: > Widescreen over Pan and Scan Fullscreen anyday!!! You miss some of > the details in the Fullscreen version. Just my opinion. Aye, I'll also agree on preferring widescreen. After all, that's how we see the movie in theaters (or at least most). > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "~SpellBound Gryffindor~" > wrote: >> Does the Black Bars cutting off the top and bottom of the picture on >> the Wide Screen format bother you? Does the Wide Screen picture look >> too 'stretched out' to you? The Full Screen format fills the >> whole TV screen and does not have the black bars. But, please tell As to 'stretched', the black bars don't bother me at all. If you have a decent sized TV (at least ~20"), I'd rather have 'smaller' details than miss out on background details. I *think* an example was in the Dursley's kitchen and one of the TVs was cut off in 'fullscreen', so you couldn't see what they were watching--I know there was some past discussion on the TV show and its significance [from an FYI POV] in possible time estimates. I could be wrong on this since I've never seen an *official* fullscreen release. If you're truly a 'completionist' and can afford it, just wait for them to go on sale/used to have both versions--I waited for HBO to air the HP movies and recorded fullscreen to video tape. Heck, you can probably rent the widescreens to see if you like them before buying. Dina -- Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 25 07:16:25 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:16:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "~SpellBound Gryffindor~" Have all complete 5 HP books unabridged on Boxed Set CD's performed/read by Jim Dale, chosen by JK Rowling. And, I have the the musical soundtracks of the movies etc. Each and ALL of these I am enjoying over and over!} ~*~*~*~ I was curious whether it was Jim Dale doing the voice over on the POA DVD Disc 2. (when they are showing the map and the voice over is telling you where to go to access the various features, etc.) Anyone know? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Nov 25 07:27:03 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 02:27:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sirius the Animagus in POA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Question ya'll: In the POA movie Sirius-the-dog is tossed about like a rag doll, thrown against some rocks, and basically gets the crap beaten out of him by Remus-the-werewolf. I don't get it; isn't that why Sirius, James and Peter learned how to become animagi in the first place; to keep Remus company during the full moon? Didn't Sirius state in the POA book that werewolves will attack people but not other animals, hence the 3 marauders decision to transform into animals??? From spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 07:42:43 2004 From: spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com (~SpellBound Gryffindor~) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:42:43 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Re: Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: <3911.4.47.27.213.1101355730.squirrel@4.47.27.213> Message-ID: ~*~ SpellBound answered: ~*~*~*~ Thank you so much for responding Tim and Dina! :~D ~*~*~*~ I just purchased the Full Screen version of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban"... my other HP movie DVD's are also Full Screen. I order most of my DVD's, CD's, Books and more from http://Amazon.Com Now that I have heard your replies I am planning on buying the Wide Screen DVD versions *also* of all HP movies. I cannot purchace them this month, but I plan to in the very near future. I want all the HP movie DVD's in both formats/versions ~ Full Screen and Wide Screen. {I only have Comcast Limited Basic Cable on my TV... no HBO etc.} Somehow, the Wide Screen DVD movies I have glimpsed seemed too skinny horizontally and distorted by 'stretchiness', and the top and bottom of the picture was cut off {by black bars}... including the tops of peoples heads. But, that was long ago...it has been a very long time since I viewed a Wide Screen movie on TV to completion. Something tells me I should buy *both* DVD formats of the HP movies. The Wide Screen version has more sweeping landscape scenes and more to view on the left and right hand side of the long skinny {lol} picture. {Tim... what is Pan and Scan? I thought Wide Screen was *panoramic* due to the picture's horizontal length} *** I am interested in everyone's comments on this topic! :~D *** ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ ^,,^************************************************************ >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor ~*~ Tim said: Widescreen over Pan and Scan Fullscreen anyday!!! You miss some of the details in the Fullscreen version. Just my opinion. Dina replied: Aye, I'll also agree on preferring widescreen. After all, that's how we see the movie in theaters (or at least most). ~*~ SpellBound asked {excerpt}: Does the Black Bars cutting off the top and bottom of the picture on the Wide Screen format bother you? Does the Wide Screen picture look too 'stretched out' to you? The Full Screen format fills the whole TV screen and does not have the black bars. But, please tell... ~*~ Dina replied: As to 'stretched', the black bars don't bother me at all. If you have a decent sized TV (at least ~20"), I'd rather have 'smaller' details than miss out on background details. I *think* an example was in the Dursley's kitchen and one of the TVs was cut off in 'fullscreen', so you couldn't see what they were watching--I know there was some past discussion on the TV show and its significance [from an FYI POV] in possible time estimates. I could be wrong on this since I've never seen an *official* fullscreen release. If you're truly a 'completionist' and can afford it, just wait for them to go on sale/used to have both versions--I waited for HBO to air the HP movies and recorded fullscreen to video tape. Heck, you can probably rent the widescreens to see if you like them before buying. Dina Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 08:05:32 2004 From: spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com (~SpellBound Gryffindor~) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:05:32 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ~*~ SpellBound replied: ~*~*~*~ Hi Valerie! Right now I don't know if it is {the british actor} Jim Dale who does the voice over in Prisoner Of Azkaban DVD Disk 2... but I can check it out and then answer. Jim Dale did a fantastic job of reading/performing all the characters in the complete unabridged 5 Harry Potter books, available in Boxed Set CD's! :~D ~*~*~*~ ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ ^,,^************************************************************ >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor ~*~ SpellBound said: I have all complete 5 HP books unabridged on Boxed Set CD's performed/read by Jim Dale; he was chosen by JK Rowling. And, I have the musical soundtracks of the movies etc. Each and ALL of these I am enjoying over and over!} ~*~*~*~ ~*~ Valerie asked: I was curious whether it was Jim Dale doing the voice over on the POA DVD Disc 2. (when they are showing the map and the voice over is telling you where to go to access the various features, etc.) Anyone know? From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Thu Nov 25 12:28:56 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 25 Nov 2004 12:28:56 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ Message-ID: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> ~SpellBound Gryffindor~" wrote: > > ~*~*~*~ Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer > watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide > Screen format... and Why? I generally prefer widescreen because that's usually the way the filmmakers intended the film to be seen. The Harry Potter movies are a little different, though, since they knew kids would be watching this on home video, and most kids films sell best in fullscreen. (Someone needs to educate the mothers!) The HP films were shot in Super 35 so there is material above and below the widescreen frame that can be used for better composition and framing in the fullscreen version. In the first two films Christopher Columbus often seemed to frame scenes specifically for full-screen. Though I have not seen POA in full-screen (I'll borrow it from the library at some point), I have a hunch that Alfonso Cuarn probably leaned more toward widescreen. The best way to decide which is for you is to see screenshots. There's a wonderful website that compares the widescreen and fullscreen DVDs of the first two films. The site has apparently disappeared, but archive.org has copies of it: SS/PS: http://tinyurl.com/67r86 COS: http://tinyurl.com/3vgcs Incidentally, if you want to be a real fanatic about collecting HP DVDs, one alternative to just buying "Sorcerer's Stone" again in widescreen is to import a widescreen "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" DVD from Canada. That way you'll have all the bases covered. ;-) Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Nov 25 14:24:00 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:24:00 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Lupin and Sirius -- gay? Message-ID: <96.1b067e6c.2ed74500@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/2004 7:54:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: 3)The gentleness. I have yet to meet a 100% straight man who is quite that sweet. I'll give you there probably are some out there, but I have yet to meet them I've stayed out of this discussion because I, too, believe it's the werewolf problem JKR is talking about, not him possibly being gay. But this comment, I had to reply to. I've been married for 34 years to the gentlest, sweetest man on the face of the earth. My father was the same way -- sweet, gentle, kind, considerate, tenderhearted. I'll never forget when one of our kittens got caught in a door when I was a little girl. Daddy held the kitten in his hand, this huge, strong man, a construction worker by trade, tears running down his cheeks. My husband is just as tender, just as sweet, and just as straight. And if anyone ever threatened our family, either my father or my husband would willingly give his life to protect us, and would fight to the death. Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 16:13:18 2004 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:13:18 -0000 Subject: Sirius the Animagus in POA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > Question ya'll: > > In the POA movie Sirius-the-dog is tossed about like a rag doll, thrown > against some rocks, and basically gets the crap beaten out of him by > Remus-the-werewolf. I don't get it; isn't that why Sirius, James and Peter > learned how to become animagi in the first place; to keep Remus company > during the full moon? Didn't Sirius state in the POA book that werewolves > will attack people but not other animals, hence the 3 marauders decision to > transform into animals??? YeThe werewolf only had initial interest in attacking Potter...Sirius had to attack Lupin, remember? From daughterofthedust at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 16:13:49 2004 From: daughterofthedust at yahoo.com (daughterofthedust) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:13:49 -0000 Subject: Sirius the Animagus in POA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > Question ya'll: > > In the POA movie Sirius-the-dog is tossed about like a rag doll, thrown > against some rocks, and basically gets the crap beaten out of him by > Remus-the-werewolf. I don't get it; isn't that why Sirius, James and Peter > learned how to become animagi in the first place; to keep Remus company > during the full moon? Didn't Sirius state in the POA book that werewolves > will attack people but not other animals, hence the 3 marauders decision to > transform into animals??? The werewolf only had initial interest in attacking Potter...Sirius had to attack Lupin, remember? daughter @)---/---- From spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com Thu Nov 25 19:33:38 2004 From: spellbound_hogwarts_gryffindor at yahoo.com (~SpellBound Gryffindor~) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:33:38 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: ~*~ SpellBound replied: ~*~*~*~ Manda! Thank You so very much for taking time to help me answer my questions with your indepth response! The wonderful web links that you gave showed very clearly pictures revealing the favourable points of both DVD formats! The Wide Screen version indeed does have a more balanced composition and a more expansive feel with more details seen in the left and right hand side of the picture. The Full Screen also has its good points, seeing more of the sky, decorative ceilings in Hogwarts etc. and what is on the tables in the bottom portion of the picture etc... also you see more of the person body {pants, legs, shoes, the ground, floor patterns etc.} I will certainly get both versions of each of the HP movies, even though the first two movies may have been filmed with the Full Screen format in mind, that most children and teens prefer. The Wide Screen format has a more panoramic sweeping feel and the view to the right and left is more complete... though the picture is 'skinny'...lol. Like looking though a 'Letter Box'... as the saying goes! Thank You So Much Manda! :~D ~*~*~*~ ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ ^,,^************************************************************ >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor ~*~ SpellBound asked {excerpt}: ~*~*~*~ Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide Screen format... and Why? ~*~*~*~ ~*~ Manda replied: I generally prefer widescreen because that's usually the way the filmmakers intended the film to be seen. The Harry Potter movies are a little different, though, since they knew kids would be watching this on home video, and most kids films sell best in fullscreen. (Someone needs to educate the mothers!) The HP films were shot in Super 35 so there is material above and below the widescreen frame that can be used for better composition and framing in the fullscreen version. In the first two films Christopher Columbus often seemed to frame scenes specifically for full-screen. Though I have not seen POA in full-screen (I'll borrow it from the library at some point), I have a hunch that Alfonso Cuar??n probably leaned more toward widescreen. The best way to decide which is for you is to see screenshots.There's a wonderful website that compares the widescreen and fullscreen DVDs of the first two films. The site has apparently disappeared, but archive.org has copies of it: SS/PS: http://tinyurl.com/67r86 COS: http://tinyurl.com/3vgcs Incidentally, if you want to be a real fanatic about collecting HP DVDs, one alternative to just buying "Sorcerer's Stone" again in widescreen is to import a widescreen "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" DVD from Canada. That way you'll have all the bases covered. ;-) Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Thu Nov 25 21:16:40 2004 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:16:40 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote: > ~SpellBound Gryffindor~" wrote: > Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide Screen format... and Why? I didn't know they were available in a choice of formats. Is that what happens to films in the US, and does it happen in other countries? There's only one way of watching that's worth it: wide screen. If you have a 16:9 TV with a choice of display methods you can pick the one that you like best. If you're stuck with a 4:3 TV then you may have the choice of getting rid of the bars and watching just the centre of the picture. From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Thu Nov 25 21:22:47 2004 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:22:47 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > ~*~ Valerie asked: > > I was curious whether it was Jim Dale doing the voice over on the POA DVD Disc 2. It's been the same condescending patronising voice on each DVD so far. It doesn't sound a bit like Jim Dale to me, and I hope it isn't him. I have heard his version of the audio book. Stephen Fry is perfect in his audio version. From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Fri Nov 26 00:24:13 2004 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:24:13 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just adding my 2 sickles - I prefer the letterbox/widescreen format. Most DVD players also have a zoom feature, which I have used to get closer to specific scenes. If you watch the movies in the dark, the black bars often fade into the background for a more cinematic effect. Just something else to consider. You could always wait for the deluxe box set, when all 7 book-to-film adaptations will be included, along with special directors cuts (ok the way Potter fans want the movies to be) and so many extras it will take a year just to get through them once. Oh, separate note - I am looking at making my own POA board game, based on the Marauder's map - any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Sassy --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote: > > ~SpellBound Gryffindor~" > wrote: > > Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer > watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the > Wide Screen format... and Why? > > > I didn't know they were available in a choice of formats. > Is that what happens to films in the US, > and does it happen in other countries? > > There's only one way of watching that's worth it: wide screen. > If you have a 16:9 TV with a choice of display methods you can pick > the one that you like best. > If you're stuck with a 4:3 TV then you may have the choice of > getting rid of the bars and watching just the centre of the picture. From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Nov 26 00:58:32 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:58:32 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Sirius the Animagus in PoA Message-ID: <14.3954327a.2ed7d9b8@aol.com> In a message dated 11/25/2004 4:45:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: In the POA movie Sirius-the-dog is tossed about like a rag doll, thrown against some rocks, and basically gets the crap beaten out of him by Remus-the-werewolf. I don't get it; isn't that why Sirius, James and Peter learned how to become animagi in the first place; to keep Remus company during the full moon? Didn't Sirius state in the POA book that werewolves will attack people but not other animals, hence the 3 marauders decision to transform into animals??? Remus attacked Sirius because he (Remus) was trying to get to the humans and Sirius (the dog) wouldn't let him, which led to their fight, I think. Sirius kept trying to protect the humans and got the living daylights beaten out of him. The Marauders transformed to keep Remus sane enough to be loose during his transformations. I think if there had been no humans close by, Sirius could have kept Remus calm -- at least if canon is to be believed (and what else is there to believe, after all, in the HP universe?) ;-> Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Nov 26 01:03:58 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:03:58 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen Message-ID: <54.38476afb.2ed7dafe@aol.com> Richard (GulPlum) has a wonderful page that shows what you lose in the full screen format -- somebody have that link handy? LOADS of details get lost in the full screen versions. When you buy a new TV, try to get one that's set up as a "home theater" -- then the screen will be better designed to show letterbox (widescreen) format and the black bars won't be as noticeable. And I, too, thought that was Jim Dale doing the narration on the DVD -- could be. I have all the books on tape or CDs, as well as hard cover (children's versions so they have the colorful cover art) and have read all of them MANY MANY Times as well as listened to them way too often! Somehow they never get old, do they? Can't wait for the next book and the GoF movie!!! Still haven't watched all the "extras" on Disk 2 -- it's great having that much more to look forward to! I wish the Shrunken Head hadn't interrupted the trio's interview so much -- I would have loved to hear what Dan and Emma thought their Boggarts would be, for instance, and answers to more of the interviewer's questions from each of them. Cute interview though. (Off to watch some other special features!) OH! I wish they'd left that spinning Knight Bus scene in! Too funny, with Harry screaming as he holds on! How do the wizards in the beds stay in place instead of hitting the windshield all the time like Harry? Ah, the questions abound about Harry's world!! ;-D Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From verosomm at yahoo.com Fri Nov 26 03:55:47 2004 From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:55:47 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, ozorbust.2426283 at b... wrote: > ~SpellBound Gryffindor~" wrote: > > > ~*~*~*~ Hi Everyone! ... I want your opinions on this! Do you prefer watching the Harry Potter movies DVD's in the Full Screen or the Wide Screen format... and Why? > > I generally prefer widescreen because that's usually the way the filmmakers intended the film to be seen. The Harry Potter movies are a little different, though, since they knew kids would be watching this on home video, and most kids films sell best in fullscreen. (Someone needs to educate the mothers!) SNIP > Manda > -- > http://www.jenesaisoz.com Manda, Just had to laugh at "someone needs to educate the mothers" since I am a mother, an HP fanatic, and an advocate of the widescreen version of any film: that's how they were meant to be viewed, were they not? I made the mistake of asking my little one, just today, if he wanted to view his movie (not HP; he's only 4-years-old) fullscreen or widescreen (it came with two discs, one of each) and I was actually upset when he chose the former. Next time he won't have a choice: I've got to raise the boy properly, don't I? :) Veronica From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Nov 26 03:53:16 2004 From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:53:16 +0000 Subject: HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen In-Reply-To: <54.38476afb.2ed7dafe@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20041126024621.0096cb80@plum.cream.org> For various reasons (personal, work, etc) I've been out of the loop for the last couple of months. This is my first online presence since mid-September. I'm still inordinately busy but have finally managed to grab a few moments to contribute here, because I've noticed that lots of people have mentioned my web site. For the record, I took all my HP pages down in May because the email address which appeared there (and ONLY on my HP pages) was getting over a dozen virus attachments a DAY, EVERY day. Even now, six months after the pages disappeared and that email address shouldn't appear in anyone's cache, it's still getting a couple a day. That hacks me off like you couldn't believe. I actually find it interesting that the popularity of that site was clearly such that nobody in the HP community actually seemed to have noticed its disappearance (or at least, nobody thought of mentioning it to me)... Furthermore, about a couple of months ago, the web server which hosts my whole personal site (HP was just a tiny part of it) managed to catch a glitch of some sort and the whole site has been inaccessible. The error message seen instead of my site is pointless, as the address which appears there (plum at cream.org) has been abandoned to spam and I've not even looked at any of the messages sent to it since early September (since then, any messages are automatically deleted - the last time I checked, it was getting upwards of 12,000 spam emails a day, and I was lucky to get one or two valid emails a week to that address - I've been using alternatives for the last two years). So anyone who responded to that error screen - you've wasted your time. I've only just been able to start doing something about the server and the site hopefully should be up after the weekend. Nevertheless, my HP site will NOT be back, at least not in the form in which is previously existed. For the time being, however, I've uploaded my DVD comparison materials elsewhere, including the stuff missing from the web archive link some people have posted: http://www.sliwa.clara.net/ (please do not mention that address outside this Group - thanks). I don't really have more to say on the merits of w/s -v- f/s regarding the first two movies beyond what I said on the site. With regard to PoA, however, I simply can't imagine how horrid it must look in full screen. Having seen the film at the cinema more times than I'm willing to admit to (I stopped counting at 18 but saw it many times after that; there were also two IMAX showings with which I was particularly unimpressed), I can think of at least three sequences/images which I *know* I would hate in their truncated form (Harry in his bedroom at the beginning, especially when Vernon comes in; meeting Buckbeak and the first flight; the final Patronus scene; not to mention the end credits). And that's just without thinking, from memory, not having seen the film for over three months! In fact, I am astonished that Warner Home Video in North America has even considered releasing a full screen version - to the best of my knowledge, that is the ONLY market which has it; the rest of the world has only wide screen versions available. I've just been shocked to my socks to discover that Spider-Man 2 is getting a fullscreen release in America next Monday. That is nothing short of a travesty! Is the US population *so* technically and visually uneducated that they'd actually be willing to watch this crap? PoA is bad enough, but Spider-Man 2 isn't a matter or individual sequences being ruined - the whole movie from start to end would be unwatchable. I see on Amazon's sales rankings that PoA W/S is no. 3, F/S is no. 9; SM2 w/s is no. 8 and SM2 f/s is no. 21. I can guarantee that throughout Europe, even if f/s versions were available, f/s versions of both PoA and SM2 wouldn't even make the top 100 of sales. The American public clearly has a long way to go to accept widescreen feature films, presented as they should be... I really see nothing to recommend full screen versions of movies originally shown in cinemas with a 1.7:1 or greater aspect ratio. To finish, and getting back to my comparisons and PoA - before anyone asks, because no full screen version has been released here in the UK, I can't do a comparison unless someone in the USA provides me with the full screen pictures. Richelle did it for CoS but she doesn't seem to be around. Is anyone else willing and able to do this? I don't have a great deal of time to deal with this, as I'm going to be rushed until the middle of next week. And from 8th December, I will be completely out of the loop again until after the New Year. So if someone has the full screen version, knows how to take screen shots and can devote a full evening to it early next week, please let me know. -- GulPlum AKA Richard, who's not even going to TRY to read everything said since September! From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Fri Nov 26 05:40:22 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 00:40:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Sirius the Animagus in POA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "daughterofthedust" YeThe werewolf only had initial interest in attacking Potter...Sirius had to attack Lupin, remember? [from Valerie] Right you are! Sirius was protecting his godson...I watched it again tonight. Why do you think Lupin/wolf appeared to be whimpering when he first transformed (and Hermione tried to get through to him)? I also saw that weird number flash below Sirius' Wanted Poster in the Leaky Cauldron. Anyone figure out what that was all about? Some subliminal message from Voldemort and the Dark Side, perhaps?!? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tmarends at yahoo.com Fri Nov 26 06:22:35 2004 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:22:35 -0000 Subject: ~*~ Re: Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pan and Scan is an industry term. Basically, when they cut a movie to fit in Fullscreen for your TV, they stay focused on the main action of a scene and cut the excess (which is usually the edges). A classic example of this is the movie "How the West was Won". It was filmed in Cinerama. In a wagon train scene, in the original run at the theaters, two characters where talking on the sides of the screen, with a beautiful panorama between them. When it was cut for video, the panorama was cut out so it looks like they are right next to each other when talking. So, you're missing some things that the film-makers had originally wanted in the picture, even if it was background stuff, when you buy a Fullscreen version. However, everyone has their own preference. I don't mind the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. In fact, on some of the films I have, subtext is in the bottom black bar as opposed to on top of the action, so it's easier to read. I know Star Wars I did this. After a while you don't even notice the bars anymore... of course, a 37" TV also helps. Tim --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "~SpellBound Gryffindor~" wrote: > > ~*~ SpellBound answered: > > ~*~*~*~ Thank you so much for responding Tim and Dina! :~D ~*~*~*~ > > I just purchased the Full Screen version of "Harry Potter and the > Prisoner Of Azkaban"... my other HP movie DVD's are also Full Screen. > I order most of my DVD's, CD's, Books and more from http://Amazon.Com > > Now that I have heard your replies I am planning on buying the Wide > Screen DVD versions *also* of all HP movies. I cannot purchace them > this month, but I plan to in the very near future. I want all the HP > movie DVD's in both formats/versions ~ Full Screen and Wide Screen. > {I only have Comcast Limited Basic Cable on my TV... no HBO etc.} > > Somehow, the Wide Screen DVD movies I have glimpsed seemed too skinny > horizontally and distorted by 'stretchiness', and the top and bottom > of the picture was cut off {by black bars}... including the tops of > peoples heads. But, that was long ago...it has been a very long time > since I viewed a Wide Screen movie on TV to completion. Something > tells me I should buy *both* DVD formats of the HP movies. The Wide > Screen version has more sweeping landscape scenes and more to view on > the left and right hand side of the long skinny {lol} picture. > > {Tim... what is Pan and Scan? I thought Wide Screen was *panoramic* > due to the picture's horizontal length} > > > *** I am interested in everyone's comments on this topic! :~D *** > > > ~*~*~*~*~*~ SpellBound ~*~*~*~*~*~ > > ^,,^************************************************************ > >Y<*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM*OM* > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/SpellBound_Hogwarts_Gryffindor > > > > > > ~*~ Tim said: > > Widescreen over Pan and Scan Fullscreen anyday!!! You miss some of > the details in the Fullscreen version. Just my opinion. > > > Dina replied: > > Aye, I'll also agree on preferring widescreen. After all, that's how > we see the movie in theaters (or at least most). > > > ~*~ SpellBound asked {excerpt}: > > Does the Black Bars cutting off the top and bottom of the picture on > the Wide Screen format bother you? Does the Wide Screen picture look > too 'stretched out' to you? The Full Screen format fills the > whole TV screen and does not have the black bars. But, please tell... > > > ~*~ Dina replied: > > As to 'stretched', the black bars don't bother me at all. If you have > a decent sized TV (at least ~20"), I'd rather have 'smaller' details > than miss out on background details. I *think* an example was in the > Dursley's kitchen and one of the TVs was cut off in 'fullscreen', so > you couldn't see what they were watching--I know there was some past > discussion on the TV show and its significance [from an FYI POV] in > possible time estimates. I could be wrong on this since I've never > seen an *official* fullscreen release. > > If you're truly a 'completionist' and can afford it, just wait for > them to go on sale/used to have both versions--I waited for HBO to air > the HP movies and recorded fullscreen to video tape. Heck, you can > probably rent the widescreens to see if you like them before buying. > > Dina > > > Mirrormere @ http://avia.silverbloom.net/mirror/ > ^-large archive for LOTR FPS or RPS, HP & Oz fanfic > LOTR RPS @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_RPS > My bunniqula blog @ http://archive.nu/bunniblog/ From bookworm at darwin.inka.de Fri Nov 26 08:48:08 2004 From: bookworm at darwin.inka.de (Monika Huebner) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:48:08 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: References: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: "joxy" wrote: >I didn't know they were available in a choice of formats. >Is that what happens to films in the US, >and does it happen in other countries? In Germany we only get one format, nowadays it's usually the wide screen format which I am grateful for. I like to watch my movies in the same format as in the theatre, though I still have a 4:3 TV. I don't mind the black bars and I never buy movies on DVD where the picture has been cropped to fit the TV screen. I own some older DVDs that have both formats on them, but I never watch the full screen version. Monika who just downloaded a mail from Amazon that her DVD has been sent off. From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Nov 26 15:11:54 2004 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:11:54 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] underwater Message-ID: <15c.4464b885.2ed8a1ba@aol.com> In a message dated 11/24/2004 7:54:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: ... The first thing on the page is a new Christmas card from Dan which is a hoot! Check it out! [from Valerie] Funneeeeee!! Can you imagine the coordination of getting all those people down there for a quick shot before they all drowned?! Most of them are not wearing air tanks. Can't wait to see the scenes in GOF, and especially if Dan is scantily clad to show off his buff bod, instead of wearing those cumbersome dress robes, as per the book! :-) Only Dan and the stunt doubles (all of the non-scuba wearing folks are stunt doubles except for Dan, as reported on DanRadcliffe.com today -- no other "star actors") are without scuba gear. And if you look at the guy next to Dan with the blue stuff on his scuba gear? He has an extra mouthpiece in his hand -- he probably shares his tank with Dan, and I'm sure the other actors have similar helpers next to them. That's how they do underwater stunts, with divers just barely out of camera range with air available for the actors. I know an actor who was in a movie where he was chained to cinderblocks and tossed into the ocean (a tank) -- his diver didn't get his signal that he needed air quickly enough and he said his lungs almost exploded waiting for him! (He was fine, just had another nifty story to add to his career full of interesting stories, heehee.) Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com Fri Nov 26 15:12:54 2004 From: ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com (ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com) Date: 26 Nov 2004 15:12:54 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen Message-ID: <1101481974.3437194084.19747.sendItem@bloglines.com> GulPlum wrote: > > In fact, I am astonished that Warner Home Video in North America has even > considered releasing a full screen version - to the best of my knowledge, > that is the ONLY market which has it; the rest of the world has only wide > screen versions available. Pity poor Australia. As far as I know, region 4 has only ever had Philosopher's Stone in fullscreen. After many complaints the later films were released in widescreen only, but they've yet to receive a 'proper' PS DVD. http://tinyurl.com/7xuop [michaeldvd.com.au] > I've just been shocked to my socks to discover > that Spider-Man 2 is getting a fullscreen release in America next Monday. > That is nothing short of a travesty! Indeed. As I alluded to earlier, my public library always buys fullscreen DVDs. I usually borrow them just for the shock value. I remember X-Men 2 being particularly horrifying to watch that way. Manda -- http://www.jenesaisoz.com From sopraniste at yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 00:25:51 2004 From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (sopraniste) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:25:51 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have hesitated to weigh in on this thread, because I wanted to have all my ducks in a row before I said anything. I watched the movie last night, so I'm ready now. I'd like to start by saying that I do not believe Lupin is gay, but that I have no problem with others believing that he is. Okay, have I stepped on any toes yet? No? Gooooood. My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the bridge, when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily and James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy was one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY clear to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was a very nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already my favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until it came up on the list that others might see him as gay. Flop From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Nov 28 09:15:03 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:15:03 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ~*~ Re: Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "Tim" I don't mind the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. In fact, on some of the films I have, subtext is in the bottom black bar as opposed to on top of the action, so it's easier to read. I know Star Wars I did this. After a while you don't even notice the bars anymore... of course, a 37" TV also helps. Tim [reply from Valerie] OK, pardon my confusion. But following these series of posts, I watched the movie "Elf" in both wide-screen and full-screen. I didn't see any black bars. So does that mean for the widescreen version they enlarged the picture to fit the height of the TV screen, and chopped off the extra on the sides? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Nov 28 09:40:59 2004 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 04:40:59 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: "sopraniste" My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the bridge, when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily and James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy was one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY clear to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was a very nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already my favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until it came up on the list that others might see him as gay. Flop [from Valerie] I keep wondering if this is not one of the things JKR was alluding to when she said Cuaron was foreshadowing some future plot in books 6-7. Though I know in response to an interview question she said she was not going to do a "spin-off" book, expanding on the Marauder's time period. Too bad...I find it all very fascinating. Guess I could spend lots of time debating on what exactly will be revealed, but hey, that's another chat group altogether, isn't it?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tahewitt at yahoo.com Sun Nov 28 17:43:40 2004 From: tahewitt at yahoo.com (Tyler Hewitt) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:43:40 -0000 Subject: Fun with your new PoA DVD Message-ID: One thing I enjoy about dvd's is being able to pause, advance frame by frame, and zoom in while maintaiining a clear picture. I put this to good use last night with the PoA dvd. There's a lot going on in the background of this movie, and small details are well thought out. Not surprising, as the same is true of 'Y Tu Mama Tambien'. Now that PoA is on dvd, I can actually catch some of the details. I was watching the PoA dvd, and during the scene in Lupin's class with the boggart, when the boggart is changing from Snape to a spider, it looked like another face (not Snape's) appeared in the whirling blob of boggart. So I backed up, and advanced frame by frame. Sure enough, another face appears briefly. It's all kind of blurry, but it looks like it's surrounded by long, curly, red hair. I thought of Mrs. Weasley, but it also looks like this face has long, stained teeth, and possibly a moustache (I'm not sure about that). The face fades fairly quickly, the boggart blob turns golden in color, and vaguely resembles a snitch. Interesting, and given JKR's comments about things in the film forshadowing events in future books, fun to wonder about. It all passes by so quickly, however, that it's probably not important. Any guesses as to whose face that might be? Also interesting was the scene in the infirmary when Hermione activates the time turner. As time starts reversing, lots of blurry figures speed around in the background. Taken frame by frame, we see that those figrues mostly follow recent events in the story. We see Harry lying on a bed, Hermione by his side. We see Ron in his bed, Snape standing over him (Snape would have brought him to the infirmary). A housekeeper flits about, someone else arrives in bandages and is 'unwrapped' and put into bed. It also looks like the housekeeper and a student are dancing. Any one else notice anything ineresting lurking in the backgrounds in PoA? From rvotaw at i-55.com Sun Nov 28 20:46:57 2004 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:46:57 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]HP DVDs in wide screen vs full screen References: <1101505710.2641.20490.m12@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4d58b$67c37650$fa9ecdd1@RVotaw> GulPlum wrote: > a comparison unless someone in the USA provides me with the full screen > pictures. Richelle did it for CoS but she doesn't seem to be around. Is > anyone else willing and able to do this? I'm still around, but I've been converted to wide-screen, so I only bought that one when PoA came out. After seeing PoA in the IMAX, I didn't see any way they could show it on full screen without losing a LOT. That and I just bought a portable DVD and it's widescreen, so seemed the only logical thing to do. :) Richelle From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 29 01:50:46 2004 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:50:46 -0000 Subject: Fun with your new PoA DVD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok same scene - DADA boggart lesson - many have felt that Parvati and the girl she returns to the dorm room with are twin sisters, when we all know her sister was sorted into Ravenclaw. Well I noticed on one of the many viewings that there are twin girls in the DADA class, but the one they call Parvati is not one of them. The girl who is her friend stands near her and is in Gryffindor. When Hermione appears the girl to the left of the screen, slightly behind Hermione is wearing Ravenclaw robes and is the twin to Parvati's friend. Check it out - just another thing goofed up in the films - IMDB.com should add a section for book-to-film adaptation errors. Sassy PS I cried during Finding Neverland....give Johnny the damn Oscar already! --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Hewitt" wrote: > > One thing I enjoy about dvd's is being able to pause, advance frame by frame, and zoom > in while maintaiining a clear picture. I put this to good use last night with the PoA dvd. > There's a lot going on in the background of this movie, and small details are well thought > out. Not surprising, as the same is true of 'Y Tu Mama Tambien'. Now that PoA is on dvd, I > can actually catch some of the details. > > I was watching the PoA dvd, and during the scene in Lupin's class with the boggart, when > the boggart is changing from Snape to a spider, it looked like another face (not Snape's) > appeared in the whirling blob of boggart. From scully931 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 02:31:57 2004 From: scully931 at yahoo.com (Scully931) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:31:57 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, I saw the same thing as you did. I thought, "Oh, poor Lupin was in love with Lily and he's a werewolf!" Never crossed my mind about him being gay until I read it here either. Still don't think that. But, I'm not getting into all that again! :-) Deborah --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > From: "sopraniste" > > My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the bridge, > when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily and > James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy was > one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY clear > to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was a very > nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already my > favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until it > came up on the list that others might see him as gay. > > Flop > > [from Valerie] > I keep wondering if this is not one of the things JKR was alluding to when > she said Cuaron was foreshadowing some future plot in books 6-7. Though I > know in response to an interview question she said she was not going to do a > "spin-off" book, expanding on the Marauder's time period. Too bad...I find > it all very fascinating. > Guess I could spend lots of time debating on what exactly will be revealed, > but hey, that's another chat group altogether, isn't it?! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sgarfio at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 21:41:08 2004 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:41:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] PoA DVD In-Reply-To: <004201c4d27f$e0dd5e20$3ea2ca45@bumbargey3ogmz> Message-ID: <20041129214108.98686.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com> --- joj wrote: > I thought the McGonagal scene was weak. When I first heard they shot it and > left it out, I thought they were crazy. I just don't think the scene > worked. Where was the drama? They needed to show Sirius in the dorm room, > not just have Ron mention "dodging a knife". No one was panicking or really > upset. I did like Harry saying he "was close enough to touch" and "he could > have killed him", but it would have been good to see the close call. Maybe the scene with Sirius in the dorm was planned, but they never filmed it because they made the decision to cut that whole thread before filming it? Sorry if somebody has already proposed that, I'm really behind due to the whole job thing. I got the impression that they filmed all of Oldman's scenes fairly late in the production schedule, which would mean that the attack on Ron would have been filmed after this scene. Often production schedules are dictated by the actors' availability, and since Sirius's scenes are pretty sporadic, it would make sense to film them all at once. > We watched it last night and twice this morning, back to back. I told my > kids were not watching it again tonight, although I'm feeling very tempted. You have great restraint. > I must say, the more I watch it, the more impressed I am with Daniel > Radcliffe's performance. He's very expressive with his eyes. I also love > his sarcasm. Much more like book Harry! Yes, definitely! All of the kids are so much more natural in this film, but Harry's sarcasm is priceless. Sherry Garfio ===== "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sgarfio at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 22:03:32 2004 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:03:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ~*~ Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: <1101385736.3225833592.18627.sendItem@bloglines.com> Message-ID: <20041129220332.78331.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com> --- ozorbust.2426283 at bloglines.com wrote: > Incidentally, if you want to be a real fanatic about collecting HP DVDs, > one alternative to just buying "Sorcerer's Stone" again in widescreen is to > import a widescreen "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" DVD from > Canada. > That way you'll have all the bases covered. ;-) ::Raises hand sheepishly:: I have the Canadian version too. The change in title of the first book has always been one of my pet peeves, so I get a real kick out of hearing the kids say "Philosopher's Stone" like they should. Try http://www.amazon.ca - and you gotta love that exchange rate! Oh, and I don't even think about it any more - I always buy the wide screen format. The black bars don't bother me, and it's not squished like it used to be in the good ol' days. But watching the wide screen DVD in zoom mode to get rid of the black bars isn't as nice as the full screen version, because the full screen version has been reformatted to put the important stuff in the center. Like when Harry is sitting in front of the park when the playground equipment starts to move and he's off to the side - he gets cut off if you watch the wide screen DVD in zoom mode. So if you can't deal with the bars, get the full screen version - but do borrow the wide screen version, you might get used to the bars. Or be like me and dream of buying a wide screen TV :-> Sherry Garfio ===== "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From sgarfio at yahoo.com Mon Nov 29 23:51:43 2004 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:51:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ~*~ Re: Harry Potter DVD's In Full Screen Or Wide Screen Format ? ~*~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041129235143.40721.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com> --- Tim wrote: > Pan and Scan is an industry term. Basically, when they cut a movie > to fit in Fullscreen for your TV, they stay focused on the main > action of a scene and cut the excess (which is usually the edges). A > classic example of this is the movie "How the West was Won". It was > filmed in Cinerama. In a wagon train scene, in the original run at > the theaters, two characters where talking on the sides of the > screen, with a beautiful panorama between them. When it was cut for > video, the panorama was cut out so it looks like they are right next > to each other when talking. I've seen some that are even worse than that, usually older movies (1970's and earlier). They'll have two people talking on opposite sides of the screen as you described, but in the fullscreen version, they pan back and forth between them as they talk, as if the camera had been moving during filming! That is really annoying. It's better than having half of each person's face at the edges, I suppose, which I have also seen on TV versions of older films, usually when two people are sitting in a car talking. I have noticed that a lot of films these days (mostly kid films, but then again, with two small children, that's all I get to watch any more) seem to have the fullscreen video release in mind from the start. All of the action is in the center of the wide cinema screen, so you don't lose much when you chop the edges off. I realize that video sales are where the film companies make a lot of their money, but come on - why should I pay more to see it in the theatre if I can see the exact same thing when the video comes out? I've really started to appreciate filmmakers (like Cuaron) who utilize the whole expanse of the wide format. And now that DVDs are routinely released in widescreen format, there's no reason for directors not to. As I said before, I don't even think about which format to buy any more. I had to search for a widescreen version of Shrek 2 (which I hope means that it was more popular and sold faster, but I suspect it just means that the store didn't order as many copies in widescreen), but I didn't give up. And yes, I'm bringing my kids up right - widescreen all the way! Sherry Garfio ===== "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From AnyaSimbi at aol.com Tue Nov 30 04:27:20 2004 From: AnyaSimbi at aol.com (AnyaSimbi at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:27:20 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: dvds- wide or full? Message-ID: <1e.39a9f58d.2edd50a8@aol.com> When it comes to dvds, I didnt become into them till last summer last year, when I got totally hooked on X2 & LiZZiE in the theaters, and wanted to watch them at my desk also, and the only bootlegs I could find were on dvd, and I knew the vhs ones werent that great anyways, while the dvd ones were sposedly pretty damn good- so, just for them, I finally bought a dvd player ^_^ Since forever, tho, I've only ever owned a tiny tv- never had the pleasure of owning a bigscreen. My current tv (of 3-going-on-4years) is a 13" w/built-in VCR combo, hehe. It sits on my desk next to my compu screen. Yes, I do also dream of having a widescreen someday... lmao. As soon as I got my dvd player, besides repeatedly watching the movies I'd got it for (and, its not like I didnt still go see them in the theater- I did that, too, plenty of times ^_^) I started borrowing dvds from the library. I didnt grasp the diff between full & wide yet, tho... My first official dvd was the Savage Garden concert one (full, I dont think there is a wide for it). The only other bootleg I bought that year was Pirates of the Carribean (looooooved that). I was especially happy that I had a dvd player when the (greatest movie of all time) LiONKiNG came on dvd, last October ^_~ The next official movies I bought were LiZZiE(wide&full), X2(wide), and PotC(wide). I havent bought that many dvds since then, but my collection is beginning to grow (I've just acquired- finally!- the extended versions on LotR 1 & 2, now I'm dying for 3, haha- and of course, theyre in widescreen)... Mostly, I quickly became accustomed to widescreen, cuz even tho I have a regular old tv, some shows have always been that way (ER, 3rdWatch, Angel, now Smallville)- with the bars, I mean. But, I guess I love fullscreen too. But I wont buy fullscreen dvds- it feels too much like a regular vhs tapes, and if Im getting dvds they should feel special when watching them. I really prefer that dvds should just simply have both versions on 'em (LiZZiE does, Anastasia does, I think LiONKiNG does too, not sure) just in case ^_^... For some reason, the bootlegs I got last year, were *really* good. They were widescreen, have good menus, picture, and sound, and even came with trailers for the movie (even the official X2/PotC dvds didnt come with the trailers... if they did, I couldnt find 'em on 'em... hehe). But, it seems bootlegs are not being made quality anymore, cuz, the few I've gotten this year- RotK, HP3:PoA, CinderellaStory, SpiderMan2, and RaiseYourVoice, are really blah, with no cool menus or trailers, bad sound, and awkward too-closely-zoomed tryin-to-be-fullscreen picture. Oh well. Theyre just to hold me over till I get the real things anyways! I have seen the widescreen versions of HP1 & 2, when I was borrowin them repeatedly from the library, but when I finally bought the movies, I inadvertantly got fullscreen instead. I just havent gotten around to exchanging them for wide, or buying wide, tho I plan to. I havent got the official HP3:PoA yet either, but when I do, it will be widescreen. As will be SpiderMan2 ^_^ (that movie was soooooo awesome too!) And, I also wish that they were more features on the HP dvds. And that they were easier to access too. Is anyone thinking theyll maybe release extended editions? *hopeshopeshopes* Gosh, I hope so! That would be so totally cool. I wonder, since I dont have a widescreen tv, if a 4:3 (square) tv shows bars on the top & bottom of a widescreen movie, then does a widescreen tv show bars on the sides of a fullscreen movie/show? LoL Sorry, if I went on too long. ^_^ ~*SimbiAni*~ http://www.fanfiction.net/~PrincessSimbiAniDreamzaLuv http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SimbiFanfic TT]?%HAPPYYHOLiDAYS!%?]TT Look forward to: Music: HilaryDuff's 2nd solo CD: "HiLARY DUFF" ! (Sept2004) TV Shows: CHARMED Season7, SMALLViLLE Season4 ! (Sept2004) Movie: on DVD "HarryPotter3: Prisoner of Azkaban" ! (Nov2004) Movie: on DVD "SpiderMan2" ! (Nov2004) Movie: on DVD "LotR3: Return of the King: Extended"! (Dec2004) Music: DarrenHayes' 2nd solo CD: "the Tension & the Spark" ! (2005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 30 05:50:35 2004 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (elady25) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:50:35 -0000 Subject: WB hopes to introduce Harry to Oscar Message-ID: The Leaky Cauldron has posted that Warner Bros. is pitching PoA to the powers that be which select films for awards, including the Academy Awards (Oscars) in the following catagories: Best Picture Best Director Best Adapted Screenplay Best Cinematographer Best Art Direction Best Visual Effects Best Sound Editing Best Sound Mixing Best Film Editing Best Original Score Hmmm...Well, at least they don't have to compete with LOTR this year! imamommy From alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 30 22:43:02 2004 From: alshainofthenorth at yahoo.co.uk (alshainofthenorth) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:43:02 -0000 Subject: Lupin and Sirus... gay? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Scully931" wrote: > > Yes, I saw the same thing as you did. I thought, "Oh, poor Lupin was > in love with Lily and he's a werewolf!" Never crossed my mind about > him being gay until I read it here either. Still don't think that. > But, I'm not getting into all that again! :-) > > Deborah > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > From: "sopraniste" > > > > My main objection is the scene between Harry and Lupin on the > bridge, > > when everybody's in Hogsmeade, and they get talking about Lily and > > James. He says some nice things about James, of course, the guy was > > one of his best friends after all, but this scene made it VERY > clear > > to me that poor Remus was in love with Lily! I thought this was a > very > > nice addition, and it made me like poor Remus (who was already my > > favorite character) all the more. It never occurred to me until it > > came up on the list that others might see him as gay. > > > > Flop > > > > [from Valerie] > > I keep wondering if this is not one of the things JKR was alluding > to when > > she said Cuaron was foreshadowing some future plot in books 6-7. > Though I > > know in response to an interview question she said she was not > going to do a > > "spin-off" book, expanding on the Marauder's time period. Too > bad...I find > > it all very fascinating. > > Guess I could spend lots of time debating on what exactly will be > revealed, > > but hey, that's another chat group altogether, isn't it?! > > Alshain (who for the record dislikes love triangles:) Being the voice of dissent here, I didn't interpret movie!Lupin's words as a sign of romantic interest in Lily. Deep platonic love, more likely. The way I saw it, there was an estrangement between Remus on the one hand and James and Sirius on the other (engineered by Peter, no doubt, who had set up the only Dark creature he knew as a fall guy) in the year before Voldemort's downfall. Lily on the other hand would never believe Remus was the spy, as she's a woman with an independent mind and strong opinions, not as likely to be prejudiced against werewolves as her pureblood husband and his pureblood best friend (Once you get enough propaganda into people, any preconceptions about ethnic minorities passed to you in your childhood can start to surface again, no matter how intelligent or well-educated you are. See Germans vs Jews, Serbs vs Bosnians, Hutus vs Tutsis.) And as she isn't the one who's been bosom friends with Remus since they were eleven, it wasn't as likely to be personal for her. I wouldn't be surprised if Remus felt gratitude and admiration for her -- she seems very much to be the kind of person he'd like to be if he had the guts. He doesn't strike me as a person who'd languish in unrequited love, either -- he's much too practical and has his emotions too firmly under control. Most likely he'd smack himself firmly over the head and tell himself to "Stop moping and get on with it, Lupin, it's never going to work out, so go for a walk and clear out the cobwebs in your attic and then get started on something useful for a change." Then again, I also thought there was a distinct possibility that Remus and Sirius had been a couple before everything went to pieces, so I can't say how I would have reacted without that particular preconception. Much the same, I hope. Actually, I don't think the sexual orientation of Messrs Moony and Padfoot will have anything to do with the price of butter. JKR writes Harry as seemingly regarding grownups as pretty much asexual; it doesn't seem to occur to him that they have the same kinds of hormones as he has. FWIW, the hug or the joint Christmas present can't be taken in a vacuum, the subtext and the way the two characters act around one another matter more. No shipper in my experience has said, "Only gay men hug each other. Sirius and Remus hug. Therefore, Sirius and Remus are gay men." In POA, Sirius is the one person who can disrupt Remus' usual calm, and vice versa, Sirius calms down considerably once he realises that Remus believes him. It isn't Dumbledore or Fudge that matters for him, it's Harry and Lupin. In OOTP, Remus' presence at Grimmauld Place seems to be Sirius's only hold to sanity -- the times when he's alone are always when he's worse. And no shipper would think less of Remus and Sirius' friendship just because they see them as having / having had a sexual relationship. There's no reason you can't share both romantic love and deep friendship. But as I said, I don't think their sexual orientation is going to matter for the way the story develops. They are who they are, and if they're revealed as straight or gay or keep their asexual personas, it isn't going to change their personalities overnight. Finally, apologies for the epic. Alshain