Lupin and Sirus... gay?

[susanmcgee48176]

Okay, folks, so what's the big deal?

If you think that it's ridiculous and impossible that two guys could 
be lovers, you're not living in the real world.

Men loving men, women loving women, and men being sexual and life 
partners with men and women being sexual and life partners with women 
has existed throughout time. People are talking more about it in 
popular culture these days than they used to..but remember the 
Bloomsbury group, Alexander the Great, etc....same gender love has 
existed forever.

If you think it's absolutely impossible that there could be same 
gender partners in the Harry Potter universe, then you are saying 
something not about reality, but about the JKR universe.

You're saying that  JKR is a bigot who does not believe that same 
gender partners belong in a universe that embodies the ideas of right 
and wrong..or that she has decided it's too risky to include same 
gender partners...or that she herself had a hetero-centric view of 
the universe that (like Harry) could not imagine love partners of the 
same gender.

I don't think so personally..(and btw, has everyone noticed that 
Fiona Shaw who plays Aunt Petunia is probably a lesbian?)

Re: fantasy and slash...whatever turns you on..but vis a vis canon, 
it is totally clear that Harry is heterosexual as are Cho, Hermione, 
Ron, Viktor, Percy, Molly, Arthur, Hagrid, Olympe, Ginny, Neville...
who am I missing?

I would suggest that either Sirius and Lupin love each other as 
brothers, or are lovers...

Now, some of you will squeal and object that they might be lovers 
seeing this as "lesser" or saying something negative about them.
Clearly, from the books, and from the Prisoner of Azkbaban (which JRK 
approved) they love each other dearly...the scenes in the Shrieking 
Shack and on the grounds outside of the Whomping Willow indicate 
that...

The director of the PoA has clearly instituted a gay subtext...when 
Lupin says that "people like him" are used to moving....his use of 
the music in facing the Boggart, his tweeds, his gentleness....either 
the director is making an analogy to gay men or he is suggesting that 
the character Lupin is not just oppressed as a werewolf, but is 
really, truly a gay man....who knows...

When Lupin is turning into the werewolf, he cries "Padfoot, 
padfoot.." 
When Sirius embraces him earlier, he talks about his heart....
Snape makes the obviously homophobic comment "you're arguing like an 
old married couple." Now, Snape is really a vile guy...and he is 
being vile. Whether Lupin and Sirius are REALLY lovers, and he is 
being a jerk about that..or whether they love each other as dear 
friends and brothers..... and Snape is being contemptuous of their 
love of each other and saying "gosh, you guys love each other, you 
must be faggots..." whatever, Snape is being homophobic...saying the 
WORST thing you could say about two guys is that they are lovers, 
ergo, they are not real men, they are like women, and therefore 
lesser...

Historically, directors and actors have had to be subtle about love 
between two men or love between two women. Or their films would not 
have been allowed to be made.

They made subtle references, which only lesbians and gays would pick 
up on. (Ben Hur, for example). Or the song in Anna and King of Siam 
(we speak in the shadows, afraid to be heard, when people are near, 
we speak not a word)......


So, I suggest...don't get hysterical about the idea that Remus and 
Sirius might have been lovers..if you do, you are saying that being 
gay is bad, and therefore you are a bigot....

There's a distinct possibility there were lovers...

There's also a clear possibility that they were dear friends and 
loved each other and were not sexual in the expression of their love.

JKR will tell us (eventually) what the real deal is...

Susan McGee