From jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:47:47 2005 From: jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk (jotwo2003) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:47:47 -0000 Subject: Are James and Lily in GOF movie? Message-ID: I ask because the last time I looked on IMDB, these characters aren't listed. I know that Geraldine Somerville and Adrian Rawlins were only credited for PS/SS, and their appearances in photos in the other films have been uncredited. However if the film-makers stick closely to the Priori Incantatem scene then ghostly echo!James and Lily come out the wand and actually have lines. On the other hand some bits of this scene must have been cut, because Frank Bryce and Bertha Jorkins aren't included in the character and cast list. So have Harry's parents been cut out as well? Will the only person to re-appear from the wand be ghostly echo!Cedric? JoTwo From swartell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 22:26:41 2005 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: JKR FAQ Poll -when will she answer? Message-ID: <20050701222641.209.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com> I've been thinking that JKR would answer the question on her faq poll before July 16. If she doesn't then she might as well not bother, because we'll have the answer without her doing anything (beyond having written HBP). She doesn't generally pull stunts like that, so I'm hoping some additional stuff will be showing up soon. The questions are: How do members of the order communicate? - most votes Is that the pensieve on the cover of the US book? Will Harry continue to learn Occlumancy in HBP? It seems HIGHLY likely that all of these will be answered on July 16, but I would dearly love to have her toss us a few crumbs before then. Anyway, I'm bouncing between her site and the various HP sites, and generally acting like a 10-year-old who's been promised a treat. Is it time yet? Why not? Can't I have a peek? I promise not to tell? ... Sue __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html From swartell at yahoo.com Fri Jul 1 22:28:05 2005 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 15:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] JKR FAQ Poll -when will she answer? In-Reply-To: <20050701222641.209.qmail@web53201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050701222805.81077.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com> Oops, wrong email address. I will go slam my ears in the oven door now. Sorry! Sue - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com Sun Jul 3 03:58:48 2005 From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 03:58:48 -0000 Subject: "evil" McGonagall?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi everyone, I kind of brought this post over from HPFGU. There is more interesting evidence about McGonagall in the conversation titled Snape abuse v McGonagall abuse. I don't really want her to be evil, but the more I think about it the more I think she could be a traitor. She does seem like the "follow the rules and be fair sort of person", but if you read Elkin's TBAY about her being there when Harry was dropped off at the Dursley's, she doesn't seem as nice. No one told her to be there, Dumbledore didn't invite her there. When she was in the form of a cat she sees Dumbledore and her eyes narrow and tail twitches. (not a friendly guesture from a cat) Wouldn't fate have it be the first person you meet in the magical world in the books be the traitor in the Order? Also her punishments seem awfully harsh and mentally demoralizing to the triumphant three at times as well as to members of Gryffindor House. Maybe I am wrong, but just take a look at these conversations and judge for yourself. Can't wait for HBP! Jen --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" wrote: > Hi, Beth, > > Like I said, I like McGonagall; but, in real life, it is sometimes > the very strict or the very high-achieving who join the dark side for > what they feel are "noble" reasons. I'm assuming that that's why > George Lucas had Anakin start out as a high-achieving student who, > due to his ideals and his love for his wife, went over to the dark > side. I'm not expecting that McGonagall would do this, but was > trying to come up with a reason why she might. > > Best Wishes, > Marilyn > > ~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~ > From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy > http://www.marilynpeake.com > http://www.thefishermansson.com > http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Beth MotherBear > wrote: > >> Well, I am not sure that I have ever posted before, and I may not > be going about it correctly, but I can't lurk about anymore and allow > Minerva McGonagall to be the object of such libelous speculation. > Yes, she is strict. But I do not see how anyone could be more loyal > to Dumbledore than she. She has a very tender side which she tries > so hard to hide. From heidi at heidi8.com Thu Jul 7 13:15:29 2005 From: heidi at heidi8.com (Heidi) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:15:29 -0400 Subject: From Hexquarters, re Terror Attack in London Message-ID: <5913e6f805070706155cf5c01b@mail.gmail.com> We at Hexquarters are keeping a close eye on the Muggle news-stations today to hear word from our friends in the London area ,and we are sure many of you are doing the same. It would be best to keep all "I'm OK" and "Please Check In" posts on HPFGU-OTChatter, located at http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/hpfgu-otchatter. Also, a LiveJournal community has been set up for people to check in. You can find it at http://www.livejournal.com/community/london_070705/ . Stay safe, everyone. The HPFGU Hexquarters Team From artsylynda at aol.com Sat Jul 9 14:30:01 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:30:01 EDT Subject: Movie similarities to Harry Potter PoA Message-ID: <1d5.3faa5846.30013969@aol.com> We went to see "Fantastic Four" last night (this will become a Harry Potter topic, I promise! heehee) and it was GREAT fun! But at two points in the film, I thought, "They stole that from Prisoner of Azkaban!" Here's what they "stole": During "Quidditch in the rain" when Harry falls off of his broom, there's one shot where they focus on Harry's face just as the Dementor frightens him off his broom, where Harry's face is a closeup in the camera, then he falls back, spread-eagled, just before he starts tumbling (I read somewhere that Dan did that fall himself, some 30 feet or so! Impressive!! And probably a lot of fun for him! haha). The guy in "Fantastic 4" who is "Torch" does exactly the same thing when he first tries to fly, having a closeup of him looking astonished just before he starts to fall backward, spreadeagled. It was similar enough to startle me out of my very happy enjoyment of the film. Then near the end when Torch flies in the air and creates the "circle 4" symbol in flame in the sky, he zooms down low in the lower right hand corner of the frame and flies up toward the upper left hand corner of the frame, EXACTLY as Harry did in the last frame of PoA! Well, imagine my surprise (and thought of, "oh that's why") when I saw Chris Columubus and Mark Radcliffe (HP producers for the first three films) were the producers for this one! Looks like they've found a "franchise" film series they can shoot in the US with an adult cast (no time restrictions on filming) so they can stay near their families. The film was left open-ended, perfectly leading to a sequel. It's a very fun film -- I was just amazed at the HP similarities until I saw who produced it. Now I'm wondering, how much of what we see on film is due to the PRODUCER rather than the director or screen writer?? I honestly don't know. I thought that was interesting, though, that Columbus copied himself that way. Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amis917 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 9 14:51:03 2005 From: amis917 at hotmail.com (amis917) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:51:03 -0000 Subject: Movie similarities to Harry Potter PoA In-Reply-To: <1d5.3faa5846.30013969@aol.com> Message-ID: Lynda: Well, imagine my surprise (and thought of, "oh that's why") when I saw Chris Columubus and Mark Radcliffe (HP producers for the first three films) were the producers for this one! Looks like they've found a "franchise" film series they can shoot in the US with an adult cast (no time restrictions on filming) so they can stay near their families. The film was left open-ended, perfectly leading to a sequel. Amie now: I saw the cast of the Fantastic 4 on the Today show. They all signed up for a sequel even before this movie was released. If it's a hit - there will definately be more of them! I havn't seen it, but it's been getting good press! :) I guess it's similar to HP in that respect also. I think some of the cast was hired for the first three movies before any of them were made. I can't remember who exactly. I guess HP was more of a sure thing than Fantastic 4 though.... From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Jul 10 15:20:14 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:14 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1246 Message-ID: <194.427f5835.300296ae@aol.com> Amie: I guess it's similar to HP in that respect also. I think some of the cast was hired for the first three movies before any of them were made. I can't remember who exactly. I guess HP was more of a sure thing than Fantastic 4 though.... Yes, the adult cast was signed for multiple movies, from what I've read. Given the popularity of the books, they knew they'd have a hit if it was even half-way decent, I suspect. I remember reading that Robbie Coultrane was hired for the first four movies, leading to speculation that Hagrid died in book 5. Dan has announced he's signed for the OoP film, which is good to know since he's doing that December Boys film before starting OoP, but I haven't heard if the rest of the cast has signed yet or now. In the past, so I've read, Emma was always the last of the main stars to sign. Wonder if she's going to be the last again? Hopefully they've all been given good raises! The British actors union had to fuss at WB to give Dan a raise after the first film. The producers should've been ashamed of themselves, paying that kid "minimum wage" kind of stuff when the whole movie rested on his shoulders! I imagine he's being well-paid now, with his image on so many things (and I did read that he was one of the wealthiest teens in England, which apparently surprised him, from whatever article it was that I read -- apparently he pays no attention to the money. That's refreshing, isn't it? But I'm glad he's being paid well - he's sure working hard for it!) Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Jul 10 19:45:46 2005 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:45:46 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1246 In-Reply-To: <194.427f5835.300296ae@aol.com> Message-ID: > Yes, the adult cast was signed for multiple movies, from what I've > read. > Given the popularity of the books, they knew they'd have a hit if it was even > half-way decent, I suspect. I remember reading that Robbie Coultrane was > hired for the first four movies, leading to speculation that Hagrid died in > book > 5. Dan has announced he's signed for the OoP film, which is good to know > since he's doing that December Boys film before starting OoP, but I haven't heard if the rest of the cast has signed yet or now. Did you all read the snippet (on Leaky, I think??) whereby Gary Oldman says that he is just ?embers in the fire? in GOF, hardly appearing at all. I guess they cut out the part where the trio visits him in the cave where he?s eating rats and such! They will probably just have his head appear in the Griffyndor common room fire to check on Harry. This would give Harry the opportunity to thank him for the broom that he received at the end of the POA (for those who didn?t catch the Buckbeak feather clue!) He says he figures prominently in OOP (definitely, what with the whole MOM scene at the end!!), so he hopes to be called back in to do that film. I hope so too! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From faura2002 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 20:03:15 2005 From: faura2002 at yahoo.com (faura2002) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:03:15 -0000 Subject: Broom Chase Scene In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050616010450.00958a50@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > "In the books readers only "see" the thestrals because we're seeing from Harry's POV. The movies don't quite work that way, of course, and the audience shouldn't really see the threstrals that the 6 students are riding. The point is not a production one, but a NARRATIVE one... > A perfect comparison are existing scenes with the invisibility cloak: whenever the shot is a closeup of Harry (or Neville, or Luna), we see their steers. When it's a long shot, we see the group sitting in mid-air. So, for instance, we see Harry and Luna getting on their Thestrals in closeups; cut to a long shot of Ron, Hermione and Ginny staring at them sitting in mid-air. And when they're airborne, include a shot from over Harry's head of him, his steer and the landscape below. Cut to a selection of long shots (from above and below) of the kids sitting in mid-air. And so on. The same rules apply to the COMC lesson. > That's the language and grammar of movies, and it works. ----------- Me: I think this is a VERY wonderful interpretation. I can just imagine it in the moviescreen in my head. What's more, it can also be something of an experience for those who HAVE NOT read the book. So much so that a wee bit of explanation should also be made before the scene happens. If they change the thestrals to brooms, how boring could it be. We already know that they can fly on one. faura back to lurkdom... From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 23:23:52 2005 From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:23:52 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]who's that boy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The Gryffindor boy is probably Dean Thomas! I was reading on JKR's website that Dean is black. Do you remember a skinny black boy in the first two movies that doesn't say much? He even sits with Seamus in McGonagall's class. I think they just replaced the actor with this heavy-set boy for some reason. I could be wrong, but it makes the most sense to me. Why you never see him in Harry's Dorm room is beyond me. I can't wait until midnight Friday!!!!! Jen From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com Sun Jul 10 23:28:41 2005 From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:28:41 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 1246 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Dan has announced he's signed for the OoP film, which is good to know since he's doing that December Boys film before starting OoP, but I haven't heard if the rest of the cast has signed yet or now." I just checked IMDB and the actors that play Malfoy and the Magnigicent Three have already signed up for OOTP. On IMDB there is a lot of discussion on their boards about GOF and OOTP, there are two people that have posted today about going to a special screening in Chicago for GOF that they discuss. Lucky, lucky people. It is a really rough cut they say so far. Cheers, Jen From hp at plum.cream.org Mon Jul 11 01:38:15 2005 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:38:15 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]who's that boy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050711021205.0098b100@plum.cream.org> At 00:23 11/07/05 , jen_kat_du wrote: >The Gryffindor boy is probably Dean Thomas! I was reading on JKR's >website that Dean is black. Do you remember a skinny black boy in the >first two movies that doesn't say much? He even sits with Seamus in >McGonagall's class. I think they just replaced the actor with this >heavy-set boy for some reason. I could be wrong, but it makes the >most sense to me. Why you never see him in Harry's Dorm room is >beyond me. Your assumption is incorrect, because Alfred Enoch (who played Dean Thomas in the first two movies) crops up several times in PoA and (as usual) doesn't say much. This is why the new boy's presence is so intriguing. In particular, Alfie's actually there in Trelawney's class when the new kid gets his big line about the Grim. And on another topic, from Linda: (Incidentally, can people on the Digest PLEASE remember to change the subject heading of their posts to something more meaningful than "Digest No. 120") >Yes, the adult cast was signed for multiple movies, from what I've read. >Given the popularity of the books, they knew they'd have a hit if it was >even >half-way decent, I suspect. It's not just that. Warners wanted them on board for more than just the one film. Warners knew that the first movie would be a hit (it would've been enough for only half of those who'd read the book to see it once; as it happened, far more people saw it than that) and didn't want to waste time and money renegotiating terms for future movies. This is absolutely standard procedure with "franchise" movies. For example, Christian Bale was told that he had to sign up for THREE Batman movies if he wanted the part in "Batman Begins", currently on screens. Contracts like this are not just commonplace, but they're the norm with Hollywood studios. (Of course, the contract is pretty one-sided: the actor cannot pull out of appearing in the movie if it goes into production, but the studio is under no obligation actually to ensure that such a production happens.) >I remember reading that Robbie Coultrane was hired for the first four >movies, leading to speculation that Hagrid died in book 5. Actually, it was Coltrane's insistence, not the studio's, and he signed up for five, not four. Columbus wanted him to sign for the entire set of seven (even though OotP hadn't been written yet); ironically, the only person who did sign for all seven movies (Warners' insistence, not his) was Richard Harris. >In the past, so I've read, Emma was always the last of the main stars to >sign. Wonder if she's going to be the last again? Hopefully they've all >been given good raises! I know someone who worked with Emma's mother until very recently. Mrs Watson is a hard-as-nails lawyer and is apparently a master negotiator. it makes sense for her to hold out and get the best deal she possibly can. It also makes sense that, as Emma's mother, she weighs all the options and considers her daughter's welfare above all else. >The producers should've been ashamed of themselves, paying that kid >"minimum wage" kind of stuff when the whole movie rested on his shoulders! Warner Brothers are notorious for being poor paymasters. Especially WB-UK. They have a track record of splashing out on big names in cameo roles and paying the main actors peanuts. Batman (Jack Nicholson -v- Michael Keaton) and Superman (Marlon Brando -v- Christopher Reeve) are two examples which immediately spring to my mind. >I imagine he's being well-paid now, with his image on so many things (and >I did read that he was one of the wealthiest teens in England, which >apparently surprised him, from whatever article it was that I read The amount of money actors make is almost always kept secret, and any figures are almost invariably the product of wild speculation, based on an estimate multiplied by a figure sucked out of the air divided by the number of zits on the director's face, added to the number of clouds in the sky. More often than not, even ballpark figures are wildly out of kilter with any possible reality. It's a game, and it's not worth considering. Unless and until an actor admits how much they're getting for a particular role, any guess is as good as any other. From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Mon Jul 11 19:50:03 2005 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:50:03 -0000 Subject: Thestrals In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050616010450.00958a50@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Just wondering why you call the thestrals steers? --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > ....we see their steers. > ....a shot from over Harry's head of him, his steer.... From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Jul 11 21:11:54 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:11:54 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] who's that boy Message-ID: <214.47d3117.30043a9a@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:12:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: The Gryffindor boy is probably Dean Thomas! I was reading on JKR's website that Dean is black. Do you remember a skinny black boy in the first two movies that doesn't say much? He even sits with Seamus in McGonagall's class. I think they just replaced the actor with this heavy-set boy for some reason. I could be wrong, but it makes the most sense to me. Why you never see him in Harry's Dorm room is beyond me. I can't wait until midnight Friday!!!!! Jen No, he's not Dean!! Dean has been in all three films so far and is a "light" colored black boy who's quite handsome. He's behind Harry and Seamus when they walk into the Common Room the first time in PoA and Dean winds up having a ghost walk through him and goes "UGH!" He's also in the "eating candy in the dorm" scene (but you wind up looking over his shoulder -- he doesn't eat candy and show up in the scene) -- and that heavy set dark black boy is not, so he's not a third year Gryffindor despite being in their classes. Remus calls on Dean in the Boggart scene. Dean says "That's a Boggart, that is" and Remus said, "Very good, Mr. Thomas." The heavyset black boy is never named. I have the feeling he either was related to someone so a part was made up for him, or there was some other reason to stick him in there -- he just doesn't fit, doesn't belong and annoys me no end by taking lines Dean should have had! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Jul 11 21:13:38 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:13:38 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]GoF screening Message-ID: <1e2.3fc81d94.30043b02@aol.com> In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:12:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: I just checked IMDB and the actors that play Malfoy and the Magnigicent Three have already signed up for OOTP. On IMDB there is a lot of discussion on their boards about GOF and OOTP, there are two people that have posted today about going to a special screening in Chicago for GOF that they discuss. Lucky, lucky people. It is a really rough cut they say so far. Cheers, Jen If you go to The Leaky Cauldron (_http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/_ (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/) ) there are links to some other sites with reviews from folks who attended that screening. "Ain't It Cool News" site had three the last time I looked. Yeah, LUCKY people!!! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hp at plum.cream.org Mon Jul 11 23:00:53 2005 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:00:53 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thestrals In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20050616010450.00958a50@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050711235101.00976ed0@plum.cream.org> At 20:50 11/07/05 , joxy wrote: >Just wondering why you call the thestrals steers? > > >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GulPlum wrote: > > ....we see their steers. > > ....a shot from over Harry's head of him, his steer.... Sorry. Typo. It was meant to have been "steed". My only excuse is that I was writing that in the middle of the night and my fingers were clearly not listening to my brain. From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 00:22:15 2005 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thestrals In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20050711235101.00976ed0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: <20050712002215.38543.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At 20:50 11/07/05 , joxy wrote: >Just wondering why you call the thestrals steers? > > Richard replied: Sorry. Typo. It was meant to have been "steed". My only excuse is that I was writing that in the middle of the night and my fingers were clearly not listening to my brain. akh confesses: I didn't even notice the discrepancy. I just went right ahead and read "steed." "Steer" does conjure a very humorous image of Harry on a flying cow, though. akh, who can fully believe her eyes and brain are both on holiday... ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - No fees. Bid on great items. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Tue Jul 12 05:47:31 2005 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:47:31 -0000 Subject: Thestrals In-Reply-To: <20050712002215.38543.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH wrote: snip > akh confesses: > > I didn't even notice the discrepancy. I just went right ahead and read "steed." "Steer" does conjure a very humorous image of Harry on a flying cow, though. > akh, who can fully believe her eyes and brain are both on holiday... > > You got me chuckling and I remembered a newspaper that printed this picture in their paper a while back. Anyway, I put it in the photos section of the group if you want a chuckle. Look for Harriett Potter the magic cow (last photo). Theresa From patientx3 at aol.com Tue Jul 12 10:36:05 2005 From: patientx3 at aol.com (huntergreen_3) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:36:05 -0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]GoF screening In-Reply-To: <1e2.3fc81d94.30043b02@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, lynda wrote: > If you go to The Leaky Cauldron (_http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/_ > (http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/) ) there are links to some other sites with > reviews from folks who attended that screening. "Ain't It Cool >News" site had > three the last time I looked. Yeah, LUCKY people!!! Actually one of the people fortunate enough to go to a screening is posting at the Leaky Lounge (the-leaky-cauldron.org's forum), and although she hasn't read the books, she's been answering everyone's questions about the movie, to the best of her memory. There are A LOT of spoilers, but its really helpful to know ahead of time what's NOT going to be in the movie (as least in my opinion). Here's a link to the forum (remove the spaces and paste it into your address bar...its too long for yahoo to understand): http ://ww w.leakylounge. c om/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi? s=0e256b32cf86acbcaf6f54a5eca2aec1;act=ST;f=22;t=5534;&#top (if any of you are going to ask questions, by the way, please read through the thread first, a few things have been asked several times already). I read through the reviews on AICN and the one on Mugglenet, AND the thread I mentioned above, and if you put it all together, you get a pretty clear picture about what is and isn't in the movie. If you are unafraid of being spoiled (and these are HUGE spoilers) I have posted it below. First some S P O I L E R SPACE..... -The movie starts with Harry's dream about Frank Bryce and the Riddle house, though for some reason Crouch Jr. is there too (I am so happy that scene is going to be in it, I was *really* worried it would be cut). -Harry wakes up and he's at the Weasley's house (the Dursley's have been cut from GoF, in case you didn't know already). There is no Molly, Percy, Bill or Charlie in the movie. -They go off to the Quidditch Cup pretty soon after this, and there is only enough of it shown (based on what a reviewer said) of the game to introduce Krum. There are some shots of the campsite and all the wizard tents though. Afterwards, they are discussing the game (I think, I don't remember which article I read this in) when Arthur bursts in and tells them to run, and there's a shot of the Death Eaters, and I guess a quick shot of Muggles in the air. Harry gets knocked out and wakes up when the Dark Mark has been shot in the air. -There is no Winky or Dobby in the movie. But Crouch Sr. is shown a little rattled or nervous or something about the Dark Mark. -The opening feast includes not only the introduction of the tournament but the introduction of the schools themself (which is not surprising, I thought they'd do something like that). -There are only girls in Beauxbaton and only boys in Durmstrang for some reason. -The fight with Ron and Harry sounds like its done really well and really true to the book; it sounds like it'll be a lot better than the wimpy version of the Ron/Hermione fight in PoA. -Moody still turns Malfoy into a ferret. -The unforgivable curses scene is (of course) still in, though it sounds like they might have cut out Crucio. Neville is very unnerved by the lesson and is found later staring listlessly at a window. -The only Sirius scene is when he shows up in the fire. (I am *very* disappointed, not only is Sirius my favorite character, Gary Oldman is one of my favorite actors). -Harry's procrastination about the tasks is present. -The balls sounds very close to the book. Hermione is dolled up, Ron has horrible robes, and Ron and Harry ignore their dates, who do eventually desert them. -The Egg and the Eye chapter (just after Harry goes to the prefects bathroom) appears to have been cut out (which is quite a loss, since it was so funny in the book). -Neville is the one giving Harry the gillyweed, since Dobby isn't in the movie, and Snape does accuse Harry of stealing it later. -There is no "half-giant" mention (at least as far as I read, it could be very quick). -The pensieve scene is a single scene, which consists of Karkaroff accusing Crouch Jr. of being a Death Eater, which means no Bellatrix and no reference to Neville's parents. -Bertha Jorkins has been cut out. -The maze scene, from what I can tell, sounds like it was shortened quite a bit, but it ends the same way of course. -Wormtail is not seen cutting off his hand (he does it with his back to the camera), but him cutting Harry is shown, and it's said to be very bad cut. -One of the reviewers said the graveyard scene was exactly like the book, which I assume means the chain of events is the same; I can't imagine Voldemort's speech hasn't been cut down. -Ralph Fiennes, from all accounts, is very creepy and scary as Voldemort (the effects weren't even done yet, apparently all the Voldemort look is going to be CGI, not prostestics, since there were a bunch of green dots on his face at the screening, indicating unfinished special effects). -Harry's parents *are* in the film in ghost-form. -He brings back Cedric's corpse, in what sounds like a *very* emotional scene, as Harry is crying really hard and has to have his hand pried off of Cedric (and, for those who are wondering, the crying is better than the random crying bit in PoA). -There is no hospital scene or one in Dumbledore's office (when Harry tells him what happened). -There is a Veritaserum scene, though I haven't read any heavy details on it (only that Snape gives him the serum, and the transformation is right after that). -Snape's Dark Mark is revealed. -Harry doesn't give the Tri-Wizard winnings to the twins. -There's no mention of the Maurader's Map. -As far as I can tell, Ludo Bagman is not in the movie. -The only classroom scene (unless there's one overlooked) is the DADA class about the Unforgivables. -Rita Skeeter is only seen twice and there's no reveal of her being an Animagus. Again, I suggest reading that thread, there's a lot more there, and if you have something specific you are wondering about, she'll answer it for you (if she can remember). My only burning question was how much Sirius was in the movie, and it has sadly already been answered (sadly because of the one scene). -Rebecca From BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 21:03:24 2005 From: BamaJenny12 at yahoo.com (Jenny) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: An article from globeandmail.com Message-ID: <12472272.1121202199554.JavaMail.news@chicodeb5.front.theglobeandmail.com> Jenny (bamajenny12 at yahoo.com) thought you would be interested in the following article from globeandmail.com, Canada's leading source for online news: "B.C. store lets slip the new Harry Potter" Fourteen copies sold in advance of worldwide publication date of 12:01 a.m. Saturday Note from Jenny: Very, very interesting. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Get the news delivered to your inbox. Sign up for our daily News Update: From sgarfio at yahoo.com Tue Jul 12 22:13:49 2005 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 15:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] who's that boy In-Reply-To: <214.47d3117.30043a9a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050712221350.41678.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com> --- artsylynda at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:12:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > > The Gryffindor boy is probably Dean Thomas! I was reading on JKR's > website that Dean is black. Do you remember a skinny black boy in the > first two movies that doesn't say much? He even sits with Seamus in > McGonagall's class. I think they just replaced the actor with this > heavy-set boy for some reason. I could be wrong, but it makes the > most sense to me. Why you never see him in Harry's Dorm room is > beyond me. > > I can't wait until midnight Friday!!!!! > > Jen > > > > No, he's not Dean!! Dean has been in all three films so far and is a > "light" colored black boy who's quite handsome. He's behind Harry and > Seamus when they walk into the Common Room the first time in PoA and Dean > winds up having a ghost walk through him and goes "UGH!" Adding my voice to GulPlum's advocacy of widescreen DVDs, I would like to point out that the fullscreen edition consistently cuts Dean out of the picture! This may have led Jen to the incorrect conclusion that the actor who plays Dean had been replaced with the mystery boy - if you're watching the fullscreen DVD, you never see Dean except when he walks through the ghost, at which point his face is hard to see. GulPlum's wonderful wide/full screen comparison web pages illustrate this nicely - for those who haven't taken the time to check it out, it's at http://plum.cream.org/HP/poa.htm - very worthwhile. You can browse to the previous movies from the bottom of that page, and it's striking how much more significant the differences are in Cuaron's production than in the first two. (Notice how I slipped in an implied plug for Cuaron's direction there as well?) Sherry Garfio, who really REALLY wants a widescreen TV for Christmas... "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html From HMaffioli at cox.net Wed Jul 13 01:55:07 2005 From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:55:07 -0700 Subject: 1st review of GOF! Message-ID: <008901c5874d$e5364da0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> On the count down to HBP we have news of the first screenings of GOF ... http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20696 ~Heather [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 15 08:32:57 2005 From: phil_hp7 at yahoo.co.uk (Phil Boswell) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:32:57 -0000 Subject: "evil" McGonagall?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "jen_kat_du" wrote: [snip] > When she was in the form of a cat she sees Dumbledore and her eyes > narrow and tail twitches. (not a friendly gesture from a cat) As principal tin-opener for four cats, I can assure you that you have this widdershins. If a cat stares at you with wide-open eyes, it's bricking itself, bracing for action: this is not a happy cat. If a cat narrows its eyes, or even closes them, it's generally a sign that the cat is not worried about you therefore does not need to watch your every move. The twitching tail is often a notifier of deep thought (or what passes for it in some cases :-): wait until the tail is lashing about like a rope in the wind before you need to worry. HTH HAND -- Phil From allthingshp at yahoo.com Tue Jul 19 19:33:32 2005 From: allthingshp at yahoo.com (allthingshp) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:33:32 -0000 Subject: Weird Sisters In-Reply-To: <9.46a6957a.2fec7a58@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 6/23/2005 12:59:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > from what I've read, those are real rock musicians, not actors, members of > some Scottish (?) band (I've forgotten, sorry -- I've never heard of the band, > but I live "across the pond". . .) > > Lynda Jarvis Cocker (lead singer of the band Pulp) and the guitarist from Radiohead (can't remember his name at the moment) are going to be members of the Weird Sisters in the upcoming film. Originally Franz Ferdinand (band not person) was slated to play them but they had a scheduling problem. No matter though all of them are brilliant. It is one of the major sources of my anticipation for the film. Supposably JC penned all the lyrics for the Weird Sisters songs and if you are a Pulp fan you know that they must be wonderful! -allthingshp From CariadMel at aol.com Fri Jul 22 07:40:12 2005 From: CariadMel at aol.com (Annette) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:40:12 -0000 Subject: Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! Message-ID: Any thoughts on which actors are 'right' for the role of new Potions master Horace Slughorn yet? I now it's all a bit in the future. But did you have any particular actor in mind when you read the part? Rotund and bewhiskered, I pictured a bumptious old man, I had in my mind Joss Ackland. He'd be a comtemporary of DD, therefore akin to Michael Gambon. Annette. From clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 22 08:09:40 2005 From: clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net (CYNTHIA L SHANNON) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 01:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050722080940.61553.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Annette wrote: --------------------------------- Any thoughts on which actors are 'right' for the role of new Potions master Horace Slughorn yet? I now it's all a bit in the future. But did you have any particular actor in mind when you read the part? Rotund and bewhiskered, I pictured a bumptious old man, I had in my mind Joss Ackland. He'd be a comtemporary of DD, therefore akin to Michael Gambon. Annette. **** My first thought for Slughorn was Bob Hoskins. Short, pudgy, yet not entirely harmless and also ingratiating to the point of nausea ;-) Not the actor mind you, but I think he could play that well. I think he also expressed an interest in being in a Potter film a while ago (he also talked about Daniel since he acted with him in David Copperfield and he played McCawber. ) So, if you are familiar with that book, he was halfway to Slughorn anyway ;-) Cindy ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- From verosomm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 16:08:10 2005 From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:08:10 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW Message-ID: Well, I was just on Leaky and Mugglenet, and they both have links to photos from the "out today" issue of Entertainment Weekly. My ? is, if any of you have seen the photos as well, is "What's up with the tombstone in the graveyard?" slight spoiler to Book 6 ahead... S P O I L E R S P A C E The grave marker in the photo clearly says "Tom Marvolo Riddle." In Book 6, the orphanage keeper clearly tells Dumbledore that Merope told them the baby's name was to be Tom Riddle, after his father, with a middle name of Marvolo, after her father. So I was under the impression that Tom Riddle, Sr. did NOT have the middle name Marvolo. Any other thoughts on this or is it just a movie Flint (as the movie was made before the book came out and in Book 2 we are given the impression, from Tom himself, that he was named after his Muggle father, so most of us assumed, I think, that he was named exactly like his father.)? Veronica From amani at atlanticbb.net Fri Jul 22 15:42:33 2005 From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:42:33 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! References: <20050722080940.61553.qmail@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c58ed3$fb4601c0$0200a8c0@Taryn> ----- Original Message ----- From: "CYNTHIA L SHANNON" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! > --- Annette wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Any thoughts on which actors are 'right' for the role > of new Potions > master Horace Slughorn yet? I now it's all a bit in > the future. But > did you have any particular actor in mind when you > read the part? > > Rotund and bewhiskered, I pictured a bumptious old > man, I had in my > mind Joss Ackland. He'd be a comtemporary of DD, > therefore akin to > Michael Gambon. > > Annette. > **** > > My first thought for Slughorn was Bob Hoskins. Short, > pudgy, yet not entirely harmless and also ingratiating > to the point of nausea ;-) Not the actor mind you, but > I think he could play that well. I think he also > expressed an interest in being in a Potter film a > while ago (he also talked about Daniel since he acted > with him in David Copperfield and he played McCawber. > ) So, if you are familiar with that book, he was > halfway to Slughorn anyway ;-) > > Cindy Congrats! The new issue of Entertainment Weekly agrees with you. ;) --Taryn From HMaffioli at cox.net Fri Jul 22 17:13:31 2005 From: HMaffioli at cox.net (Heather Maffioli) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:13:31 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ? on new GOF photos in EW References: Message-ID: <00b201c58ee0$af792da0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: verosomm To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ? on new GOF photos in EW Well, I was just on Leaky and Mugglenet, and they both have links to photos from the "out today" issue of Entertainment Weekly. My ? is, if any of you have seen the photos as well, is "What's up with the tombstone in the graveyard?" slight spoiler to Book 6 ahead... S P O I L E R S P A C E The grave marker in the photo clearly says "Tom Marvolo Riddle." In Book 6, the orphanage keeper clearly tells Dumbledore that Merope told them the baby's name was to be Tom Riddle, after his father, with a middle name of Marvolo, after her father. So I was under the impression that Tom Riddle, Sr. did NOT have the middle name Marvolo. Any other thoughts on this or is it just a movie Flint (as the movie was made before the book came out and in Book 2 we are given the impression, from Tom himself, that he was named after his Muggle father, so most of us assumed, I think, that he was named exactly like his father.)? Veronica Now me: The top line would be Voldemort's father TR 1880-1943 The bottom line would be Voldemort TMR 1915-1943 ~Heather [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Fri Jul 22 17:43:33 2005 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:43:33 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: <00b201c58ee0$af792da0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: verosomm > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:08 AM > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ? on new GOF photos in EW > > > Well, I was just on Leaky and Mugglenet, and they both have links to > photos from the "out today" issue of Entertainment Weekly. My ? is, > if any of you have seen the photos as well, is "What's up with the > tombstone in the graveyard?" > > slight spoiler to Book 6 ahead... > > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > The grave marker in the photo clearly says "Tom Marvolo Riddle." In > Book 6, the orphanage keeper clearly tells Dumbledore that Merope > told them the baby's name was to be Tom Riddle, after his father, > with a middle name of Marvolo, after her father. So I was under the > impression that Tom Riddle, Sr. did NOT have the middle name > Marvolo. Any other thoughts on this or is it just a movie Flint (as > the movie was made before the book came out and in Book 2 we are > given the impression, from Tom himself, that he was named after his > Muggle father, so most of us assumed, I think, that he was named > exactly like his father.)? > > Veronica > > > Now me: > The top line would be Voldemort's father TR 1880-1943 > The bottom line would be Voldemort TMR 1915-1943 > > ~Heather > > Actually I think this is a movie goof. First it has 3 names on it so it would be Voldemort's dad and grandparents. After all, he killed all three and then his uncle took the rap. I am not sure why they put the Marvolo in there because in the book (Scholastic version page 638) the headstone merely says Tom Riddle - no one else is on it. Also I think the dates are messed up (as someone on TLC pointed out). The first two people are 63 and 60 when killed and the bottom one (who should be Voldemort's dad) is 28. The death year seems about right but I think they should have put like 1905 for the birth year. Then grandma and grandpa would have been around their mid twenties when Tom Sr was born and he would have been about 22 when Voldemort was born. All I can say is I hope they airbrush the 1 and make it a 0 and then fiddle with the middle name to make it something else. Maybe the film makers will catch that before November. Let's hope. Theresa From verosomm at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 17:46:53 2005 From: verosomm at yahoo.com (verosomm) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:46:53 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: <00b201c58ee0$af792da0$6401a8c0@sd.cox.net> Message-ID: No I don't think so...; I don't think Tom Riddle/ Voldemort would be buried in the Riddle family plot, 1) because they didn't know about his existence, 2) because he's a Muggle, 3) because even when some of the wizarding world thought him dead, they didn't have a body to bury and 4) when the wizarding world thought him dead, it was in October 1981, not 1943 (1943 V-Mort was still a teenager and either in his 7th year at Hogwarts or first year out of Hogwarts, I think, according to the timeline on the COS DVD). So I think the gravestone is supposed to be V-Mort's muggle grandfather (top) and father (bottom) who V-Mort AK'd in 1943, along with his muggle grandmother. So Marvolo still doesn't work according to Book 6. Veronica --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Heather Maffioli" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: verosomm > To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:08 AM > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ? on new GOF photos in EW > > > Well, I was just on Leaky and Mugglenet, and they both have links to > photos from the "out today" issue of Entertainment Weekly. My ? is, > if any of you have seen the photos as well, is "What's up with the > tombstone in the graveyard?" > > slight spoiler to Book 6 ahead... > > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > The grave marker in the photo clearly says "Tom Marvolo Riddle." In > Book 6, the orphanage keeper clearly tells Dumbledore that Merope > told them the baby's name was to be Tom Riddle, after his father, > with a middle name of Marvolo, after her father. So I was under the > impression that Tom Riddle, Sr. did NOT have the middle name > Marvolo. Any other thoughts on this or is it just a movie Flint (as > the movie was made before the book came out and in Book 2 we are > given the impression, from Tom himself, that he was named after his > Muggle father, so most of us assumed, I think, that he was named > exactly like his father.)? > > Veronica > > > Now me: > The top line would be Voldemort's father TR 1880-1943 > The bottom line would be Voldemort TMR 1915-1943 > > ~Heather > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 22 18:13:45 2005 From: clshannon75 at sbcglobal.net (CYNTHIA L SHANNON) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! In-Reply-To: <000701c58ed3$fb4601c0$0200a8c0@Taryn> Message-ID: <20050722181345.89421.qmail@web81809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Taryn Kimel wrote: --------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "CYNTHIA L SHANNON" To: Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Casting HBP new characters... beware a spoiler! > > My first thought for Slughorn was Bob Hoskins. Short, > pudgy, yet not entirely harmless and also ingratiating > to the point of nausea ;-) Not the actor mind you, but > I think he could play that well. I think he also > expressed an interest in being in a Potter film a > while ago (he also talked about Daniel since he acted > with him in David Copperfield and he played McCawber. > ) So, if you are familiar with that book, he was > halfway to Slughorn anyway ;-) > > Cindy Congrats! The new issue of Entertainment Weekly agrees with you. ;) --Taryn Lol! I just saw that over on Leaky ;-) I have yet to get my copy, but it should be in today's mail. It is nice to subscribe to EW, saves having to run out and buy copies ;-) I actually pictured Mr. Hoskins the whole time I was reading the book ;-) Cindy From ExSlytherin at aol.com Sat Jul 23 13:44:42 2005 From: ExSlytherin at aol.com (Amanda) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 13:44:42 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree it is a movie goof and a huge one!!! Riddle murders were Tom Riddle Sr. (Voldemort's dad) and Mr. & Mrs. Riddle. (Voldemort's Grandparents) Tom Marvolo riddle as we know is Voldemort and he is most certainly not buried in that graveyard. It might be too late to change it now. I do think it will be interesting to see if thins becomes something big and if pressure from the Internet fans will help to do any thing about it. Mandy, shaking her head at the filmmakers. From osotac at adelphia.net Sat Jul 23 16:51:34 2005 From: osotac at adelphia.net (osotac) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:51:34 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: okay,...here is another question.....when did Tom kill his father and grandparents.....what year was it......did he do it in the summer of 1944, before his 7th year at Hogwarts.....did he do it in the summer of 1945, after he leaves school......or, as the picture from "Goblet of Fire" suggests, in 1943, the year he opened the Chamber of Secrets.......there have been conflicting dates on most every Potter site......is there anything, cannon wise, about the exact year these murders happened???...another thing that bothers me.....it may be an "British" thing, but....how can Tom Riddle be Jr., and how can his father be Sr. if they have different middle names......we now know that Tom's middle name belongs to his maternal grandfather......anyone have any answers.....not theories, cannon evidence......thanks,..osotac --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Amanda" wrote: > > > I agree it is a movie goof and a huge one!!! Riddle murders were Tom > Riddle Sr. (Voldemort's dad) and Mr. & Mrs. Riddle. (Voldemort's > Grandparents) > > Tom Marvolo riddle as we know is Voldemort and he is most certainly not > buried in that graveyard. > > It might be too late to change it now. I do think it will be > interesting to see if thins becomes something big and if pressure from > the Internet fans will help to do any thing about it. > > Mandy, shaking her head at the filmmakers. From adam at adampozek.com Sat Jul 23 20:46:10 2005 From: adam at adampozek.com (Adam Pozek) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:46:10 -0000 Subject: Shooting Locations Message-ID: Does anyone know where I might find information on where the HP movies have been shot? I am planning to vacation in the UK next year, and I am wondering if I might work in visits to some of the locations. In COS, the scene in which Harry and Ron are in the flying car and trying to locate the Hogwarts Express looks just like a photograph in the 2005 Scotland Vacation Planner. I have always found it enjoyable to visit locations I have first become acquainted with on screen. Thanks, --Adam From amis917 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 24 01:55:11 2005 From: amis917 at hotmail.com (amis917) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:55:11 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "osotac" wrote: > okay,...here is another question.....when did Tom kill his father > and grandparents.....what year was it......did he do it in the > summer of 1944, before his 7th year at Hogwarts.....did he do it in > the summer of 1945, after he leaves school......or, as the picture > from "Goblet of Fire" suggests, in 1943, the year he opened the > Chamber of Secrets.......there have been conflicting dates on most > every Potter site......is there anything, cannon wise, about the > exact year these murders happened???...another thing that bothers > me.....it may be an "British" thing, but....how can Tom Riddle be > Jr., and how can his father be Sr. if they have different middle > names......we now know that Tom's middle name belongs to his > maternal grandfather......anyone have any answers.....not theories, > cannon evidence......thanks,..osotac > According to the Lexicon - Tom killed his father and in grandparents in 1944 before his 7th hear at Hogwarts. There was a discussion about the Jr./Sr. thing on the OT list. Aparently, 1. it's not used in the UK and 2. You don't have to have the same middle name. Voldemort and his father DO have different middle names, so the tombstone in the photo is wrong. I have to wonder, though, if you'll be able to tell in the film. Will Harry stand there and look at it long enough for the audience to get a good look at it? If they just grace over it, the names/dates won't be THAT big of a deal. I know during a move, I don't usually try to figure out how old people are based on the ages on the tombstones. It's a pretty exciting part of the story, so I'm sure people will be thinking of other things. Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice if they didn't screw up stuipd things like this. I'm sure there will be larger and more noticable mistakes. -Amie From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Jul 24 01:59:22 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:59:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] ? on new GoF pics in EW Message-ID: <1aa.3b0ade9e.30144ffa@aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/2005 11:57:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: It might be too late to change it now. I do think it will be interesting to see if thins becomes something big and if pressure from the Internet fans will help to do any thing about it. Mandy, shaking her head at the filmmakers. So where do we write? Do you have an addy? I've often wanted to write WB and make comments about the films, etc. Thanks in advance! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From osotac at adelphia.net Sun Jul 24 11:17:45 2005 From: osotac at adelphia.net (osotac) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:17:45 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: one problem...the Lexicon gives two different years for the murders.....on Voldemort's pages, under Time Lines....it says Tom murdered his father and grandparents in the summer of 1944, before his 7th year begins in September.....the Lexicon also states in the Master Time Line, The Beginning of the Tale, 1900 - 1949,....that Tom murders his father and grandparents in the summer of 1945, after he sits his NEWTs and leaves Hogwarts....... --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "amis917" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "osotac" wrote: > > okay,...here is another question.....when did Tom kill his father > > and grandparents.....what year was it......did he do it in the > > summer of 1944, before his 7th year at Hogwarts.....did he do it in > > the summer of 1945, after he leaves school......or, as the picture > > from "Goblet of Fire" suggests, in 1943, the year he opened the > > Chamber of Secrets.......there have been conflicting dates on most > > every Potter site......is there anything, cannon wise, about the > > exact year these murders happened???...another thing that bothers > > me.....it may be an "British" thing, but....how can Tom Riddle be > > Jr., and how can his father be Sr. if they have different middle > > names......we now know that Tom's middle name belongs to his > > maternal grandfather......anyone have any answers.....not theories, > > cannon evidence......thanks,..osotac > > > > > According to the Lexicon - Tom killed his father and in grandparents in > 1944 before his 7th hear at Hogwarts. There was a discussion about the > Jr./Sr. thing on the OT list. Aparently, 1. it's not used in the UK and > 2. You don't have to have the same middle name. Voldemort and his > father DO have different middle names, so the tombstone in the photo is > wrong. I have to wonder, though, if you'll be able to tell in the film. > Will Harry stand there and look at it long enough for the audience to > get a good look at it? If they just grace over it, the names/dates > won't be THAT big of a deal. I know during a move, I don't usually try > to figure out how old people are based on the ages on the tombstones. > It's a pretty exciting part of the story, so I'm sure people will be > thinking of other things. Don't get me wrong, it'd be nice if they > didn't screw up stuipd things like this. I'm sure there will be larger > and more noticable mistakes. > > -Amie From amis917 at hotmail.com Sun Jul 24 16:26:43 2005 From: amis917 at hotmail.com (amis917) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:26:43 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "osotac" wrote: > one problem...the Lexicon gives two different years for the > murders.....on Voldemort's pages, under Time Lines....it says Tom > murdered his father and grandparents in the summer of 1944, before > his 7th year begins in September.....the Lexicon also states in the > Master Time Line, The Beginning of the Tale, 1900 - 1949,....that > Tom murders his father and grandparents in the summer of 1945, after > he sits his NEWTs and leaves Hogwarts....... > > Well, here's what I've found out. On the Lexicon - it says that GOF takes place in 1994. The murder of Frank Bryce takes place in August of that year. In the beginning of GOF(page 1), it says that the Riddle murders took place 50 years before. That would be in 1944. On the Voldemort's pages, it cites GOF as the source for this date. There's no source listed on the main page. Because of cannon, I would then go with 1944...unless there's something in HBP that leads us to belive differently. From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Sun Jul 24 16:44:25 2005 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Sassy Snape) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Shooting Locations In-Reply-To: <1122216236.445.40663.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20050724164425.44490.qmail@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Adam, one of my friends in our HP meetup group is going to the UK this coming Wednesday (not through the Accio convention) and she booked a trip based on HP, so there should be something on Harry Potter travel on a UK destination site. I will try to find out how she found out about it and if they visit film related sites or what. She went to the Lord of the Rings New Zealand tour last year. Sassy Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:46:10 -0000 From: "Adam Pozek" Subject: Shooting Locations Does anyone know where I might find information on where the HP movies have been shot? I am planning to vacation in the UK next year, and I am wondering if I might work in visits to some of the locations. In COS, the scene in which Harry and Ron are in the flying car and trying to locate the Hogwarts Express looks just like a photograph in the 2005 Scotland Vacation Planner. I have always found it enjoyable to visit locations I have first become acquainted with on screen. Thanks, --Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From onceupona_party at yahoo.ca Sun Jul 24 17:07:17 2005 From: onceupona_party at yahoo.ca (Severina Amadenna Salem-Snape) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:07:17 -0000 Subject: Happy Belated Daniel Day Message-ID: Don't remember seeing anything posted so I just wanted to wish Daniel a Harry Birthday...hehehehhehehh Sassy From osotac at adelphia.net Sun Jul 24 17:44:10 2005 From: osotac at adelphia.net (osotac) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:44:10 -0000 Subject: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I still find it odd that he would murder them, and still have a year left at Hogwarts, especially now that we know Dumbledore was keeping an eye on Tom and his behavior,...but, then again, Dumbledore did not know all that Tom was up to...still you would think that murdered Riddles would have peaked his intrest, we know Dumbledore reads muggle newspapers.....BTW I have asked the question to the Lexicon staff, still waiting for their answer --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "amis917" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "osotac" wrote: > > one problem...the Lexicon gives two different years for the > > murders.....on Voldemort's pages, under Time Lines....it says Tom > > murdered his father and grandparents in the summer of 1944, before > > his 7th year begins in September.....the Lexicon also states in the > > Master Time Line, The Beginning of the Tale, 1900 - 1949,....that > > Tom murders his father and grandparents in the summer of 1945, after > > he sits his NEWTs and leaves Hogwarts....... > > > > > > > Well, here's what I've found out. On the Lexicon - it says that GOF > takes place in 1994. The murder of Frank Bryce takes place in August of > that year. In the beginning of GOF(page 1), it says that the Riddle > murders took place 50 years before. That would be in 1944. On the > Voldemort's pages, it cites GOF as the source for this date. There's no > source listed on the main page. Because of cannon, I would then go with > 1944...unless there's something in HBP that leads us to belive > differently. From emrsing at yahoo.com Sun Jul 24 18:45:31 2005 From: emrsing at yahoo.com (Beth MotherBear) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: ? on new GOF photos in EW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050724184531.37813.qmail@web81005.mail.yahoo.com> In the HBP, Tom definitely commited the Riddle murders in the summer between his 6th and 7th yrs at Hogwarts. It is very specific. osotac wrote:I still find it odd that he would murder them, and still have a year left at Hogwarts, especially now that we know Dumbledore was keeping an eye on Tom and his behavior,...but, then again, Dumbledore did not know all that Tom was up to...still you would think that murdered Riddles would have peaked his intrest, we know Dumbledore reads muggle newspapers.....BTW I have asked the question to the Lexicon staff, still waiting for their answer --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "amis917" wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "osotac" wrote: > > one problem...the Lexicon gives two different years for the > > murders.....on Voldemort's pages, under Time Lines....it says Tom > > murdered his father and grandparents in the summer of 1944, before > > his 7th year begins in September.....the Lexicon also states in the > > Master Time Line, The Beginning of the Tale, 1900 - 1949,....that > > Tom murders his father and grandparents in the summer of 1945, after > > he sits his NEWTs and leaves Hogwarts....... > > > > > > > Well, here's what I've found out. On the Lexicon - it says that GOF > takes place in 1994. The murder of Frank Bryce takes place in August of > that year. In the beginning of GOF(page 1), it says that the Riddle > murders took place 50 years before. That would be in 1944. On the > Voldemort's pages, it cites GOF as the source for this date. There's no > source listed on the main page. Because of cannon, I would then go with > 1944...unless there's something in HBP that leads us to belive > differently. ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Sun Jul 24 21:21:14 2005 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:21:14 -0000 Subject: Shooting Locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Adam Pozek" wrote: > Does anyone know where I might find information on where the HP movies > have been shot? I am planning to vacation in the UK next year, and > I am wondering if I might work in visits to some of the locations. In > COS, the scene in which Harry and Ron are in the flying car and trying > to locate the Hogwarts Express looks just like a photograph in the > 2005 Scotland Vacation Planner. I have always found it enjoyable to > visit locations I have first become acquainted with on screen. > > Thanks, > --Adam Hey Adam, Since the UK is one of my favorite places outside the US, I have Visit Britian bookmarked in my favorite websites. This is their link: http://www.visitbritain.com/VB3-en-US/index.aspx Anyway, in about the middle of the page it says "Harry Potter's Britain". It's link is: http://www.visitbritain.com/VB3-en- US/experiences/moviesandbooks/harry_potter.aspx It looks like Alnwick Castle, the Hogwart's Express, the London Zoo etc are shown as some places to see. This is a great site to check out what to see in the UK so you should get some good information for planning your trip. Hope you have a wonderful time. Theresa From wfeuc at nibble.net Mon Jul 25 19:24:38 2005 From: wfeuc at nibble.net (hpoldfan) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:24:38 -0000 Subject: Shooting Locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Adam Pozek" wrote: > Does anyone know where I might find information on where the HP movies > have been shot? I am planning to vacation in the UK next year, and ..... > > Thanks, > --Adam Adam, Beyond Boundries Tours has Harry Potter tours that take in most of the shooting sights for the first 3 movies. One of the nice thing about these tours is the ride on the Hogswart's Express. I took the tour June 04 and the ride on the HE is almost worth the cost of the trip. I recommend them highly. Google them for their web site. Bill From rvotaw at i-55.com Mon Jul 25 21:00:43 2005 From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:00:43 -0500 Subject: Shooting Locations References: <1122312416.466.99776.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5915b$efaa6420$85a0cdd1@RVotaw> > Does anyone know where I might find information on where the HP movies > have been shot? I am planning to vacation in the UK next year, and Here are a few sites with some information: http://tinyurl.com/cofno http://www.londoncountrytours.co.uk/harrypotter.htm http://www.classbrain.com/artmovies/publish/article_74.shtml http://www.chiff.com/a/harry-potter-travel-tour.htm http://www.backroadstouring.co.uk/HarryPottertour.htm http://www.britishtours.com/harry_potterovernight.html I visited several locations last year on two separate trips to the UK. I highly recommend Alnwick Castle, though it will most likely be raining. I've been mistaken for a dementor in photos taken in front of the castle due to my hooded raincoat. :) The castle is beautiful and very recognizable, particularly from scenes in the first movie where Quidditch lessons were filmed. I also went to Durham Cathedral. I think one of the classrooms was filmed there, but that's not open to the public. The cloisters, however, are, and that's very recognizable from the first two films. Filming may have been done in one of the corridors there as well, it looked remarkably familiar, though that could've just been a copied set. When I went to Christ Church in Oxford not much was open to the public, though I did see the Divinity School which is used as the hospital wing. No visit is complete without a stop at King's Cross Station, where you must take a picture under the "Platform 9 3/4" sign. And don't forget to check out the clock tower of St Pancras station next door. That's the one Harry and Ron fly past on their way to Hogwarts in the flying car. Richelle