From bree4378 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 02:00:36 2005
From: bree4378 at yahoo.com (Sabrina)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:00:36 -0000
Subject: GOF Trailer
Message-ID: <d7j4s4+q9ai@eGroups.com>

I read on either Leaky or HPANA website that the GOF trailer is 
supposed to be shown ahead of the movie Sisterhood of the Traveling 
Pants (which releases on June 1)





From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Wed Jun  1 04:34:29 2005
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 04:34:29 -0000
Subject: GOF Trailer
In-Reply-To: <d7j4s4+q9ai@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d7jdsl+mknc@eGroups.com>

<<<< In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sabrina" <bree4378 at y...> wrote:
> I read on either Leaky or HPANA website that the GOF trailer is 
> supposed to be shown ahead of the movie Sisterhood of the Traveling 
> Pants (which releases on June 1)>>>>

I haven't heard anything specific, but that to me would make sense. I 
mean tween/teen girls are part of the marketing demo for the studios i 
bet given dan and rupert's growing popularity with that age group as 
well as a large part of the intended audience of the books and the 
films. 

Lindsay





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Jun  1 21:38:08 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:38:08 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1223
Message-ID: <1f1.3ccfcaa9.2fcf84c0@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/1/2005 2:11:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Many  seem to 
have earmarked Nott as a likely candidate for the infamous,  hoped-
for "Good Slytherin."

Siriusly Snapey Susan
Where did anyone get the idea there's going to be a "good"  Slytherin other 
than Snape (who IS working for Dumbledore, or so they tell  us!!  Which makes 
him a "good guy" in spite of everything).  FYI,  Nott's dad is a Death Eater, 
mentioned in canon.  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  2 13:23:56 2005
From: susiequsie23 at sbcglobal.net (cubfanbudwoman)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:23:56 -0000
Subject: Theo Nott
In-Reply-To: <1f1.3ccfcaa9.2fcf84c0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d7n19c+lfkj@eGroups.com>

SSSusan:
> Many  seem to have earmarked Nott as a likely candidate for the 
> infamous, hoped-for "Good Slytherin."
 
Lynda:
> Where did anyone get the idea there's going to be a "good"  
> Slytherin other than Snape (who IS working for Dumbledore, or so 
> they tell us!!  Which makes him a "good guy" in spite of 
> everything).  FYI,  Nott's dad is a Death Eater, mentioned in 
> canon.  


SSSusan:
I think it's mostly about people's DESIRE to see this happen.  You 
know, that surely JKR won't have *every* Slytherin be a baddie?  

I am aware that Nott's father is a DE.  At her website, though, JKR 
spoke a little about Theo, and she mentioned that Nott is "a clever 
loner who does not feel the need to join gangs, including Malfoy's."  
This has, I think, fueled the speculation that with Voldy *openly* 
back and people, presumably, being forced to make their loyalties 
also more known, some of the Slytherins might elect to NOT follow 
Draco et al./the DE kids.  

So, again, when Nott appeared in the PoA movie, it made many people 
wonder if he isn't going to be someone to play a bigger part in 
future... perhaps even leaving Draco aside.

Siriusly Snapey Susan








From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jun  2 15:48:33 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:48:33 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Theo Nott
Message-ID: <1e.468f7c90.2fd08451@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/2/2005 11:30:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I think  it's mostly about people's DESIRE to see this happen.  You 
know, that  surely JKR won't have *every* Slytherin be a baddie?  

I am aware  that Nott's father is a DE.  At her website, though, JKR 
spoke a  little about Theo, and she mentioned that Nott is "a clever 
loner who does  not feel the need to join gangs, including Malfoy's."  
This has, I  think, fueled the speculation that with Voldy *openly* 
back and people,  presumably, being forced to make their loyalties 
also more known, some of  the Slytherins might elect to NOT follow 
Draco et al./the DE kids.   

So, again, when Nott appeared in the PoA movie, it made many people  
wonder if he isn't going to be someone to play a bigger part in  
future... perhaps even leaving Draco aside.

Siriusly Snapey  Susan



Interesting idea -- and I hadn't read that about Nott.  But in  the film, he 
IS in Malfoy's gang.  Cuaron played fast and loose with canon  in many ways.  
Nott isn't set up in canon (so far) as being a "good"  Slytherin, so it will 
be interesting to see if he turns out to be one.  I  know JKR said there were a 
few things Cuaron did that surprised her because they  foreshadowed things 
that hadn't been written yet (I'm not quoting this right,  but hopefully I've 
got the gist of it correct).  Speculation on what those  things might be 
included a possible close friendship between Remus and Lily (I'm  sorry, but when he 
said he recognized Harry because of Harry having Lily's EYES,  when the entire 
rest of the kid's face is his best friend James's????  That  was a weird 
line, IMO, but I suppose they had to lead into the Lily stuff  somehow).  Anyway, 
it will be interesting to see which things were  "prophetic" in the PoA film!  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jun  3 02:10:16 2005
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:10:16 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF Trailer
In-Reply-To: <d7jdsl+mknc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BEC53448.458%valerie.flowe@verizon.net>

> I haven't heard anything specific, but that to me would make sense. I
> mean tween/teen girls are part of the marketing demo for the studios i
> bet given dan and rupert's growing popularity with that age group as
> well as a large part of the intended audience of the books and the
> films. 
> 
> Lindsay
> 
My niece-in-law who is 15 is completely Dan-crazy. Her walls used to be
plastered with Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp; now it?s Mr. Radcliffe. Go Dan!!
:-)
Valerie


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From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Fri Jun  3 19:51:19 2005
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:51:19 -0000
Subject: News Article from IMDb
Message-ID: <d7qcbn+2417@eGroups.com>

First 007, Now Potter To Leave the U.K.


In an announcement that stunned an already reeling British film 
industry, David Heyman, producer of the Harry Potter movies, 
indicated Thursday that he may shoot the next episode of the 
franchise outside of Britain. In an interview with the British trade 
publication Screen Daily, Heyman said, "We are exploring all options 
to determine the best place in the world to make the film. We are 
looking at the U.K. and other places all over the world." Heyman's 
comments follow published reports that the producer of the James Bond 
movies is considering shooting the next film, Casino Royale, in 
Bulgaria and Romania. 


 I don't know how I feel about this...In some ways outside places 
such as Prague or areas of New Zealand may be more easily transformed 
in the techno-phobic Wizarding World. They aren't taking the film 
itself out of the UK just the actual filming location. But I know 
some people feel very strongly about moving locations so I thought 
I'd share this.

Lindsay





From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jun  4 15:43:38 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:43:38 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1226
Message-ID: <1ef.3d3d603f.2fd3262a@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/4/2005 10:48:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


I  don't know how I feel about this...In some ways outside places 
such as  Prague or areas of New Zealand may be more easily transformed 
in the  techno-phobic Wizarding World. They aren't taking the film 
itself out of  the UK just the actual filming location. But I know 
some people feel very  strongly about moving locations so I thought 
I'd share  this.

Lindsay


Yup, I read that and I don't have a problem with it -- they've had  to scrimp 
on special effects/CGI in all the movies so far.  If they can  save money, 
they can do better CGI stuff and so on.  I think it's a good  business decision. 
 I've read that a lot of films are moving out of England  and Scotland 
because the unions (I think that was the cause) have made things  too pricey in the 
UK.  The Scottish paper I read one article in was making  it sound unpatriotic 
to move the Potter franchise elsewhere, but if they add  fees/taxes/make wage 
demands (PoA was shut down a while due to a strike over  wages), then the 
producers have to make the wise business decision, going where  they can get the 
"most bang for their buck."  That's why so many American  TV shows are now 
filmed in Vancouver or Toronto -- Canada has made a deliberate  effort to keep 
fees low so that it's more inviting to film there.  The US  and UK should pay 
attention to that, or they'll just lose more business.   Many US films are shot 
in Rumania and elsewhere for the same economic reasons  the HP movies may be 
moved there.  It's just more cost  effective.
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 16:48:21 2005
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (DANCERWH86 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:48:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1227
In-Reply-To: <1117988910.269.21687.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1117988910.269.21687.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C7380584130D5A-814-33F8@mblk-r38.sysops.aol.com>

<<<<In a message dated 6/4/2005 10:48:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

 That's why so many American  TV shows are now 
filmed in Vancouver or Toronto -- Canada has made a deliberate  effort to keep 
fees low so that it's more inviting to film there.  The US  and UK should pay 
attention to that, or they'll just lose more business.   Many US films are shot 
in Rumania and elsewhere for the same economic reasons  the HP movies may be 
moved there.  It's just more cost  effective.>>>>>
 
Exactly. For a class project at Uni last quarter, I just finished researching location costs and one of the places I looked into was the UK (I just got the general average) and while once I converted all the prices to american dollars it was cheaper than the majority of US states it was still expensive and the tax breaks weren't quite as good as those in a lot of states. Eastern Europe and then New Zealand are considered among the cheapest and easiest to manipulate to suit you're film (Manipulate in a set kind of way not like take advantage of)
 
Lindsay
 
~~~~~
Me: I adore having a private bath...I would die if we had communal bathrooms/showers
Justine: hahaha ohh i know
Me: Mine may be the size of a closet and my closet may be a metal bar next to the sink but i like it better
Justine: lol it works and 'thats hott'
 
 
 


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From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  7 01:48:25 2005
From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 01:48:25 -0000
Subject: Possible clues in movie lines?
In-Reply-To: <crpbik+t2k7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d82ud9+gf0q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at m...> wrote:
> 
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "cultivatepeace2000" 
> <cultivatepeace2000 at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, oneheartway_03 at m... wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if anyone else picked up on these lines, but I'm 
> > really 
> > > wondering what type of foreshadowing they might have on future 
> > events 
> > > in books/ movies.



There is a thread on HPFGU about Minerva McGonagall being evil.  I 
am rereading the books with this in mind and also watching the 
movies.  In SS before McGonagall explains the houses and the sorting 
process, you see a hand tapping fingers on the staircase while the 
children ascend.  It sounds like "evil" music to me for a few 
seconds before you see who the hand belongs to.  And then you see it 
is her and the music changes.  The music seems out of place at the 
moment.  I was wondering if this is also foreshadowing.  Just 
wondered what you all thought about it.

A newbie member,
Jennifer







From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jun  7 16:59:51 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:59:51 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] "evil" McGonagall??
Message-ID: <fa.14b3cdb8.2fd72c87@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/7/2005 12:22:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


There is a thread on HPFGU about Minerva McGonagall being  evil.  I 
am rereading the books with this in mind and also watching  the 
movies.  In SS before McGonagall explains the houses and the  sorting 
process, you see a hand tapping fingers on the staircase while the  
children ascend.  It sounds like "evil" music to me for a few  
seconds before you see who the hand belongs to.  And then you see it  
is her and the music changes.  The music seems out of place at the  
moment.  I was wondering if this is also foreshadowing.  Just  
wondered what you all thought about it.

A newbie  member,
Jennifer



Wow, that's one I hadn't picked up on!  I always took her  "tapping fingers" 
as just the sign of an impatient, busy person who's been kept  waiting by the 
tradition of rowing the ickle firsties across the lake (which  could be 
considered by some to be quite a waste of time, but it does give the  older students 
time to get into the Great Hall and get settled, I  suppose).  "Evil" huh?  I 
can't see it, but then again, I like her a  lot.  Interesting idea, though.  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP




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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  7 18:44:13 2005
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Crowe)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:44:13 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question from Newbie: Molly, Bill and Charlie/GoF
 movie?
In-Reply-To: <000501c5619a$3b5548f0$973ecc45@bumbargey3ogmz>
References: <d73ago+m2an@eGroups.com> <000501c5619a$3b5548f0$973ecc45@bumbargey3ogmz>
Message-ID: <42A5EAFD.90200@yahoo.com>

This just in! I found this at answers.com after Googling Charlie Weasley:
http://www.answers.com/topic/charlie-weasley

*/Harry Potter 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>/ 
character*

Charlie Weasley
*Gender* 	Male 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Male&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b> 

*Hair colour* 	Red
*Eye colour* 	Unknown
*House* 	Gryffindor 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hogwarts+Houses&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b> 

*Blood 'purity'* 	Pure-blood 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Blood+purity+%28Harry+Potter%29&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b> 

*Loyalty* 	Order of the Phoenix 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Order+of+the+Phoenix&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b> 

*Film portrayer* 	Alex Crockford (for a brief cameo)
*First appearance* 	/Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 
<http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter+and+the+Goblet+of+Fire&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>/ 


















I'll take a brief cameo if that's all they can muster up!

Michelle

joj wrote:

>
>
>
>
> > Hi folks, I was just referred here from HPfGU to ask this question:
> >
> > I just read imdb.com's list of the full cast, and I don't see Molly,
> > Charlie or Bill ANYWHERE? How can they possibly leave them out? Does
> > anyone have any info regarding this travesty?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Michelle
>
> Hi Michelle!  We know for a fact Molly, Percy and the Dursleys have been
> cut.  It seems as though Bill, Charlie and Ludo Bagman have also been cut.
> There's been no word on Bertha Jorkins or Frank Bryce.  The Frank 
> Bryce one
> worries me.  I really want the movie to start with the dream!
>
> Joj
>
>
>
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From amani at atlanticbb.net  Tue Jun  7 19:01:56 2005
From: amani at atlanticbb.net (Taryn Kimel)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:01:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Possible clues in movie lines?
References: <d82ud9+gf0q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c56b93$610c7ca0$0200a8c0@Taryn>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jen_kat_du" <jen_kat_du at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Possible clues in movie lines?


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "thekrenz" <thekrenz at m...> wrote:
>>
>> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "cultivatepeace2000"
>> <cultivatepeace2000 at y...> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, oneheartway_03 at m... wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I don't know if anyone else picked up on these lines, but I'm
>> > really
>> > > wondering what type of foreshadowing they might have on future
>> > events
>> > > in books/ movies.
>
>
>
> There is a thread on HPFGU about Minerva McGonagall being evil.  I
> am rereading the books with this in mind and also watching the
> movies.  In SS before McGonagall explains the houses and the sorting
> process, you see a hand tapping fingers on the staircase while the
> children ascend.  It sounds like "evil" music to me for a few
> seconds before you see who the hand belongs to.  And then you see it
> is her and the music changes.  The music seems out of place at the
> moment.  I was wondering if this is also foreshadowing.  Just
> wondered what you all thought about it.
>
> A newbie member,
> Jennifer

JKR has only given secret information to a very select group of people, such 
as the screenwriter and a few of the actors.  Somehow I doubt John Williams 
is in that group.

--Taryn 





From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  7 18:58:15 2005
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Crowe)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:58:15 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Question from Newbie: Molly, Bill and Charlie/GoF
 movie?
In-Reply-To: <42A5EAFD.90200@yahoo.com>
References: <d73ago+m2an@eGroups.com> <000501c5619a$3b5548f0$973ecc45@bumbargey3ogmz> <42A5EAFD.90200@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42A5EE47.7080307@yahoo.com>

Oops, sorry about the ugly formatting! It looked so nice and pretty when 
I pasted it....

Michelle

Michelle Crowe wrote:

> This just in! I found this at answers.com after Googling Charlie Weasley:
> http://www.answers.com/topic/charlie-weasley
>
> */Harry Potter
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>>/ 
>
> character*
>
> Charlie Weasley
> *Gender*       Male
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Male&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Male&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>> 
>
>
> *Hair colour*       Red
> *Eye colour*       Unknown
> *House*       Gryffindor
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hogwarts+Houses&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hogwarts+Houses&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>> 
>
>
> *Blood 'purity'*       Pure-blood
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Blood+purity+%28Harry+Potter%29&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Blood+purity+%28Harry+Potter%29&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>> 
>
>
> *Loyalty*       Order of the Phoenix
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Order+of+the+Phoenix&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Order+of+the+Phoenix&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>> 
>
>
> *Film portrayer*       Alex Crockford (for a brief cameo)
> *First appearance*       /Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter+and+the+Goblet+of+Fire&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b 
> <http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=e3qgmx2g8tgk?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Harry+Potter+and+the+Goblet+of+Fire&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b>>/ 
>
>
>



From jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Jun  8 21:55:41 2005
From: jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk (jotwo2003)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:55:41 -0000
Subject: Hedwig in PS/SS & Mrs Lestrange in the Pensieve in OOP
Message-ID: <d87pgt+8kfa@eGroups.com>

There 2 things I wonder if anyone can help with.

1)  In the Diagon Alley scene in the first film, among the owls,there's 
a white owl in a cage.  Is this Hedwig?

2)  I presume they must be filming the trial of Barty Crouch Jr in the 
Pensieve flashback in GOF.  Is Bellatrix included too, or has she been 
cut from GOF?  I looked on imdb but there was no character called 
Bellatrix Lestrange or even something ambiguous like Woman in the 
Pensieve, for example.

Am I correct in assuming that Bella has not been cast yet and will 
appear in OOP film instead?

Thanks.

JoTwo

Thanks.





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 23:05:59 2005
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:05:59 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hedwig in PS/SS & Mrs Lestrange in the Pensieve in OOP
In-Reply-To: <d87pgt+8kfa@eGroups.com>
References: <d87pgt+8kfa@eGroups.com>
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On 6/8/05, jotwo2003 <jsummerill at summerillj.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> 1)  In the Diagon Alley scene in the first film, among the owls,there's
> a white owl in a cage.  Is this Hedwig?

They had less than half a dozen owls total... Yep, the snowy was 'Hedwig'.


> 2)  I presume they must be filming the trial of Barty Crouch Jr in the
> Pensieve flashback in GOF.  Is Bellatrix included too, or has she been
> cut from GOF?  I looked on imdb but there was no character 

At this point, she's probably cut out.

Dina



From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Jun 14 07:45:04 2005
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:45:04 +0100
Subject: OoP filming outside UK
Message-ID: <v01540b01bed235e9daf6@[217.154.248.9]>

Lynda said:-

> I've read that a lot of films are moving out of England  and Scotland
>because the unions (I think that was the cause) have made things  too
>pricey in the
>UK.

It's not the unions, which are considerably less powerful these days than
they were 25 years ago. It's the government, who are abolishing
movie-makers' tax-breaks for filming in the UK.
As you can tell, our politicians are really, really far-sighted...

(snip)

> (PoA was shut down a while due to a strike over  wages),

Actually, I believe that PoA was one of the few movies not shut down. That
was an actors' strike, done to protest that actors didn't get a share in
the profits of the movies they were making. On PoA, agreement on a
profit-share had been reached, so no strike was necessary.

Cheers,
Nicholas





From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Tue Jun 14 07:45:03 2005
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas at adelanta.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:45:03 +0100
Subject: Rotating trailers
Message-ID: <v01540b00bed23163caac@[217.154.248.9]>

I wish they had rotated the trailers in front of PoA. Granted, I saw the
film more times than most people would, but over a period of what...three
months that PoA was on release? one trailer was shown every single bloody
time. And after the third time of seeing it, I swore to myself that I would
never
ever
ever
ever
ever
watch 'the Haunted Mansion'.

Cheers,
Nicholas
I assume that everyone has seen the GoF teaser trailer on the Internet?





From dk59us at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 16:38:06 2005
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:38:06 -0000
Subject: Broom Chase Scene was Re: World Cup and OoP film
In-Reply-To: <158.51a948d7.2fc89eb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d8plhe+fv16@eGroups.com>

Lynda wrote:
> On the OoP front -- there's an article on Leaky today talking about
> Harry doing a "James Bond-type chase scene" on a broom flying down  
> the  Thames!  The location manager is having trouble getting all
> the  17  governmental districts to agree to let them film there -- 
> they want to include  shots of all the "recognizable" things along 
> the Thames.  But when would  Harry be doing a CHASE scene along the
> Thames???  He should be riding a  thestral to the Ministry's
> Visitor's Entrance with his five friends -- what's up  with this
> idea????  Or do  you suppose he gets separated from his guard on
> the way to Grimmauld Place the first time???  Ideas?

Eustace_Scrubb:
I hope that the second idea you mentioned is closer to the mark!  It
might not represent quite so much messing with the book as the
flying-to-rescue-Sirius idea.

However, I can imagine that the film makers would love to have a way
out of the threstral scenes.  In the books readers only "see" the
threstrals because we're seeing from Harry's POV.  The movies don't
quite work that way, of course, and the audience shouldn't really see
the threstrals that the 6 students are riding.  So we _should_ just
see them riding through thin air, not a concept that the film makers
are apt to be too keen on, I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb





From dk59us at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 15 17:39:23 2005
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:39:23 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]who's that boy?
In-Reply-To: <d7i8c0+10d7s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d8pp4b+nujg@eGroups.com>

Joj:
> > I so agree with you!  Him and the Slytherin boy drive me crazy.   
> > What was the point of adding them?  I hope there aren't more new  
> > kids in GoF.
> 
 Siriusly Snapey Susan:
> While I'm with you on the extra Gryffindor kid who was never named
and 
> who didn't seem to serve any purpose, some people have actually
been 
> quite excited about the addition of the "stringy Slytherin" in the  
> PoA movie.  I think the reason for that is the possibility that it 
> might be signalling a greater role for Theo Nott in the future.   
> Many seem to  have earmarked Nott as a likely candidate for the  
> infamous, hoped-for "Good Slytherin."

Now Eustace_Scrubb:
The cast list for GOF on IMDB (I know, that's often of questionable
validity) lists someone called "Nigel" (played by William Melling, any
relation to Harry Melling aka Dudley??).  Will he turn out to be
another student? (William Melling's only other credits on IMDB are as
"Boy Next Door" in a UK TV show called "William and Mary" in 2004.)

On the "Slytherin boy," in the POA movie, is he identified by name in
the POA credits?  I can't check that now, but I don't think he is.  I
have my doubts that the filmmakers identified him with Nott, who isn't
really part of the Malfoy gang in the books.  I wouldn't think of the
movie Slytherin boy as especially stringy.  I'm afraid that he, like
"Boy 1" (the nameless Gryffindor) were inserted for no particularly
good reason.

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Jun 15 23:59:00 2005
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:59:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Broom Chase Scene was Re: World Cup and OoP film
Message-ID: <6841610.1118879941148.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>



>However, I can imagine that the film makers would love to have a way out of the threstral scenes.So we should_ just see them riding through thin air, not a concept that the film makers are apt to be too keen on, I'm afraid.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Eustace_Scrubb

Oh, they can do it! What about the invisibility cloak scenes? And what about the LOTR scenes when Frodo is invisible with Gollum riding on his back on the edge of the lava pit? Piece o' cake for those CG guys. Especially considering that the HP movies are the  most costly in history to film!
Valerie
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From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Jun 16 00:21:59 2005
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:21:59 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Broom Chase Scene was Re: World Cup and OoP
  film
In-Reply-To: <6841610.1118879941148.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050616010450.00958a50@plum.cream.org>

At 00:59 16/06/05 , Valerie Flowe wrote:


>Eustace_Scrubb:
><However, I can imagine that the film makers would love to have a way out 
>of the threstral scenes.So we should_ just see them riding through thin 
>air, not a concept that the film makers are apt to be too keen on, I'm afraid.>
>
>Oh, they can do it! What about the invisibility cloak scenes? And what 
>about the LOTR scenes when Frodo is invisible with Gollum riding on his 
>back on the edge of the lava pit? Piece o' cake for those CG guys. 
>Especially considering that the HP movies are the  most costly in history 
>to film!

Valerie, I think you misunderstood the issue. You cropped the salient point 
from the original post (why delete the most important sentence from the 
post you're quoting?):

"In the books readers only "see" the thestrals because we're seeing from 
Harry's POV.  The movies don't quite work that way, of course, and the 
audience shouldn't really see the threstrals that the 6 students are riding. "

The point is not a production one, but a NARRATIVE one. Of course, with 
modern CGI, movies can show anything imaginable. But that's not the point.

In a book, we can get inside Harry's head and effectively see the world 
through his eyes. The narrative language of movies is different, as we are, 
in practice, external to Harry at all times (this is one reason why the 
books need to be "adapted" for the screen rather than just taking a book 
and filming it scene by scene).

The question, therefore, is valid. In theory, only a member of the audience 
who has seen someone die should be able to see the Thestrals, and 
accordingly, the rest of the audience should not. And that's plain silly.

However, there's an easy solution, using the language of movies, and not 
the language of books.

A perfect comparison are existing scenes with the invisibility cloak: 
whenever the shot is a closeup of Harry (or Neville, or Luna), we see their 
steers. When it's a long shot, we see the group sitting in mid-air. So, for 
instance, we see Harry and Luna getting on their Thestrals in closeups; cut 
to a long shot of Ron, Hermione and Ginny staring at them sitting in 
mid-air. And when they're airborne, include a shot from over Harry's head 
of him, his steer and the landscape below. Cut to a selection of long shots 
(from above and below) of the kids sitting in mid-air. And so on. The same 
rules apply to the COMC lesson.

That's the language and grammar of movies, and it works.

--
GulPlum AKA Richard, popping in and out



From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 16 08:43:32 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:43:32 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Broom Chase Scene was Re: World Cup and OoP  film
References: <4.2.0.58.20050616010450.00958a50@plum.cream.org>
Message-ID: <009e01c5724f$7b3b64c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Maybe it's that I come from a
background of show buisness and
understanding the ideas behind it, but
to me, changing the Thestrals to brooms
isn't that big of a thing.

While it CAN be done, the question is
more of, do they want it done.  Does it
REALLY matter how they get to the
ministry, so long as they get there?

The budget involved in six invisible
horse, in addition the the Ministry
battle, Hagrid's brother, ect and so
forth, would be huge.  And budgets, in
any movie, are the bottom line.  The
cheaper you can make it, the more the
studio loves you.

If I were the one standing behind the
camera, trying to put this together as
true to the books as possible, yet
exciting for the 'movie fans' (people
like my mother who dont' read but go to
every movie), and still keep the studio
happy, I would jump at the chance to
change the mode of arrival simply for
it being cheaper, and frankly more
accessible to ALL movie goers, not just
those who read the book and know what
the heck a Thestral is.

It would also cut out the Care of
Magical creatures class explaining the
horses and bump more space for the main
plot of occulamancy and the Ministry,
which I think all fans would enjoy,
even us die hards. :o)

Frankly, I'm predicting a movie of
Grimald
Place/Feast/Umbridge/Snape/lessons/flas
hback/battle with major focus being on
the battle.

Could be wrong, but generally the
movies tend to fit the standard pattern
of hitting major points and cutting out
everything you don't need.

Saitaina
****
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practice I'm having trouble with."

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you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

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From swartell at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 16 16:00:13 2005
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Broom Chase Scene was Re: World Cup and OoP  film
In-Reply-To: <009e01c5724f$7b3b64c0$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>
Message-ID: <20050616160013.94162.qmail@web53202.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Saitaina <saitaina at frontiernet.net> wrote:


> While it CAN be done, the question is
> more of, do they want it done.  Does it
> REALLY matter how they get to the
> ministry, so long as they get there?
> 

I think the thestrals are important, but tend to agree
with you that in the greater scheme of things they are
likely to be cut.

> The budget involved in six invisible
> horse, in addition the the Ministry
> battle, Hagrid's brother, ect and so
> forth, would be huge.  And budgets, in
> any movie, are the bottom line.  The
> cheaper you can make it, the more the
> studio loves you.
> 
But this remark puzzles me - why are 6 invisible
horses more expensive than 6 broomsticks?  If they are
in fact invisible to the audience, then they are one
less piece to integrate in post-production.  I'd
assume that they would do the flying on blue screen,
regardless of the mode transportation, and fill in the
background later, regardless of mode of
transportation.  The real difference would seem to be
if they were on brooms on the bluescreen or on blue
horse shapes - leading to no difference in the effort
to put it together later.
In fact not needing to deal with the details of the
brooms might make it easier.  On the other hand, I've
never actually done any of this stuff, so there might
be additional factors I'm unaware of.  They could do
really cool stuff with CGI of course, but that
definitely _would_ up the cost.  Semi-invisible
creatures would be a big chunk of change, at a guess.

The argument that it will make it easier to tell the
story and that it will provide a way to cut info not
critical to the battle against evil carries a lot more
weight with me.  


Sue

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jun 16 17:42:52 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:42:52 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Brrom chase scene
Message-ID: <192.4213808d.2fe3141c@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:30:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

If I  were the one standing behind the
camera, trying to put this together  as
true to the books as possible, yet
exciting for the 'movie fans'  (people
like my mother who dont' read but go to
every movie), and still  keep the studio
happy, I would jump at the chance to
change the mode of  arrival simply for
it being cheaper, and frankly more
accessible to ALL  movie goers, not just
those who read the book and know what
the heck a  Thestral is.


The problem with this broom chase scene to me is logical, not  logistical 
(??) - it's not that they chose brooms over thestrals, which I can  perfectly 
well understand for all the excellent reasons you've given - but at  what point 
in OoP would Harry BY HIMSELF be flying on a broom in  London????  Are they 
going to cut out all of his friends from the battle in  the Ministry???  That's 
just not right -- their courage in going with him  is remarkable and Neville 
carrying the injured Hermione while not really being  able to fight himself -- 
yet refusing to leave Harry -- shows remarkable courage  (and a bit of 
stupidity, I suppose, LOL!) on Neville's part.  Hermione's  being injured and Harry's 
reaction to that, and Ron with the brain attack, Ginny  with the broken ankle 
she's just sure she can walk on, Luna's managing to  survive longer than 
anyone else but Neville -- all of these things build  character as well as moving 
the story forward, IMO.  So they ALL need to go  to the Ministry, not just 
Harry!  So why is he out there flying up (or  down??) the Thames by himself, doing 
his best James Bond impression (I admit, I  can't wait to see it, but I can't 
imagine what scene this "Harry alone" scene is  logically replacing.  There 
was no "chase" involved in getting him to  Grimmauld Place, either.  I'm stuck 
in a state of confusion!  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP




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From saitaina at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 16 20:31:06 2005
From: saitaina at frontiernet.net (Saitaina)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:31:06 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Brrom chase scene
References: <192.4213808d.2fe3141c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00f601c572b2$52ef8060$01fea8c0@domain.invalid>

Lynda wrote:

<it's not that they chose brooms over
thestrals, which I can  perfectly
well understand for all the excellent
reasons you've given - but at  what
point
in OoP would Harry BY HIMSELF be flying
on a broom in  London????>

I think it's not that he's by himself
in the entire thing, but that it's for
Harry himself during close up shots
(thus giving close ups to the main
items along the Thames), or that he
some how gets separated.

I do not see any intention of them
cutting out the other participants,
either to get to the ministry or to
Grimauld place.  I think they're just
thinking of separate shots, but then I
could be wrong and they could be just
being weird.

<But this remark puzzles me - why are 6
invisible
horses more expensive than 6
broomsticks?>

Once is invisible one is not.

For a broomstick scene, they blue
screen the person flying WITH the
broomstick.  For an invisible item they
would have a blue shape of the item in
question under the actor and later have
to shoot a plate of nothing but back
ground and merge them together to make
the invisible object...invisible.  Plus
add the effects that make X object have
a shape (for the Thestrals for example,
they would have to add wind and cloud
effect, maybe shaky outline).

The extra plates (film), extra effects
all lead to more money then just taking
a 'cut out' of say Harry on his broom
flying over over the background.

Granted for any blue screen they have
to have an extra plate, that's what you
put where the blue screen is, but it's
less film they they would have to have
to replace a really big horse, then to
fit between Harry's legs and an already
visible broom, not to mention less
editing of making the invisible horse.

Plus, as I pointed out, money is saved
by not having a Care of Magical
creatures class to explain the horses,
cutting out all of those effects and
can be fed back in to the battle scene
which better look good or we're going
to have a director turning up in the
Siherra.

Saitaina
****
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practice I'm having trouble with."

"The new food pyramid looks as if all
you have to do to be healthy in America
is be gay and exercise."

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From cgsing4joy at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 17 14:52:55 2005
From: cgsing4joy at yahoo.com (Candace Ann (Abar) Green)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:52:55 -0000
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <d8uo47+rr8k@eGroups.com>

I am new to the group and was just wondering why JKR left PEEVES out 
of the movies?  









From artsylynda at aol.com  Sat Jun 18 18:37:47 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:37:47 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] hello
Message-ID: <12f.5f7ae492.2fe5c3fb@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/18/2005 11:21:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


I am  new to the group and was just wondering why JKR left PEEVES out 
of the  movies?  





JKR didn't leave Peeves out of the movies, Steve Kloves (the screen  writer) 
did, probably to save money.  Peeves would have to be created by  CGI or some 
other special effect (or a midget on wires, who knows?), all of  which costs 
money and screen time.  The books are already pruned to the  bone to fit in a 
"reasonable" film time (I'd sit through a 4 hours Harry Potter  movie, but 
apparently WB doesn't think many people would!!)  So it's  probably a time crunch 
as much as a monetary decision.  But it's up to  Kloves, the director and 
producers what they include and what they cut -- JKR is  consulted on some things 
but doesn't have a final say in anything, not from  anything I've read.  
Authors rarely have much say in the films made from  their books, unless the author 
gets involved as a producer or does the  screenplay himself.  SHe's still 
busy writing books, so she hasn't had time  to do any screenplays.  I've read 
that the screenwriter does stay in touch  with her to  make sure he's not 
creating things that are too far out of her  world, or that will be spoilers for 
upcoming books (there have been a couple of  close calls on the spoiler thing, 
from things JKR has said in  interviews).

Anyway, hope that answers your question.  Welcome to the  board!
 

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From jen_kat_du at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 20 17:05:25 2005
From: jen_kat_du at yahoo.com (jen_kat_du)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:05:25 -0000
Subject: "evil" McGonagall??
In-Reply-To: <fa.14b3cdb8.2fd72c87@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d96t0l+9vhs@eGroups.com>

> 
> Wow, that's one I hadn't picked up on!  I always took 
her  "tapping fingers" 
> as just the sign of an impatient, busy person who's been kept  
waiting by the 
> tradition of rowing the ickle firsties across the lake (which  
could be 
> considered by some to be quite a waste of time, but it does give 
the  older students 
> time to get into the Great Hall and get settled, I  
suppose).  "Evil" huh?  I 
> can't see it, but then again, I like her a  lot.  Interesting 
idea, though.  
> 
> Lynda
> 
> "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP
> 


Lynda,

The thread about Minerva is listed as something like Elkins TBAY 
Minerva McGonagall is ever so evil.  It makes a few interesting 
points.  It will be exciting to see what happens.  You know there 
has to be a traitor somewhere.

Jen 





From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Mon Jun 20 18:34:50 2005
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:34:50 -0000
Subject: OotP England Shooting Back On
Message-ID: <d9728a+iobm@eGroups.com>

Here's an article that I just saw on ImDb

Radcliffe's Parents Move Location of Fifth Potter Film


 The filming of Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix is 
returning to its original British location after the parents of Harry 
Potter actor Daniel Radcliffe voiced safety fears over filming in the 
Czech Republic. The fifth big screen installment appeared destined to 
have a Czech location after Warner Bros executives announced earlier 
this year they were dismantling movie sets at Leavesden studios in 
Hertfordshire, and rebuilding them in Prague to save production 
costs. But Daniel's parents, Alan Radcliffe and Marcia Gresham, told 
producers they were concerned at letting their son - who turns 15 
next month - spending long periods of time in a city increasingly 
famous for its wild nightlife and growing sex industry. As a result 
the most of the filming will now take place at the original Leavesden 
studios. A crewmember says, "Some of it is going to happen in Prague 
but we have been told that most of the filming is going to happen 
here. It's because of Daniel's parents, and you can see their point. 
Prague is not the place for a 15-year-old boy to spend several months 
in." The fourth movie, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, hits 
cinemas this November . 

Thats interesting I think...
Lindsay





From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 20 18:45:48 2005
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP England Shooting Back On
In-Reply-To: <d9728a+iobm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050620184548.90484.qmail@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- Lindsay!! <DANCERWH86 at aol.com> wrote:

> Here's an article that I just saw on ImDb
> Radcliffe's Parents Move Location of Fifth Potter
> Film
> 
[snip!]

akh:

According to an article on The Leaky Cauldron, Dan's
US and UK fan sites have denied the accuracy of the
article:

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/MTarchives/007147.php

Ah, the rumor mill.  It's so much more interesting
than the truth.  

akh, who hears Prague is actually rather lovely...


		
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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Jun 21 18:15:44 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:15:44 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OoP England shooting back on
Message-ID: <81.2a120287.2fe9b350@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2005 2:06:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

But  Daniel's parents, Alan Radcliffe and Marcia Gresham, told 
producers they  were concerned at letting their son - who turns 15 
next month - spending  long periods of time in a city increasingly 
famous for its wild nightlife  and growing sex industry.

to show how inaccurate this reporting is - Dan will be 16 in July,  not 15!  
That's "legal" in England for many things, as I understand it  (they finish 
school at 16, they can get married at 16, actors that age can work  a full day 
just like an adult, etc.).  And he's going to Australia in  November to film 
"December Boys" where his character will have a LOVE  AFFAIR!!  (according to 
the press info released).  Yes, Dan's representatives sent both DanRadcliffe.com 
and  DanRadcliffe.com.uk total rebuttals of that article, but if his parents 
are  willing for him to do love scenes, as in "having an affair" love scenes, 
they  ARE allowing their boy to grow up.  
 
All that said, hopefully they'll be wise enough (and they've shown  
themselves to be VERY wise in handling him and his career so far!) to go with  him to 
Australia.  Dan, himself, seems to be pretty wise in how to handle  himself, 
managing to keep his private life private, handling interviews like a  pro, 
managing to keep his fans happy with regular newsletters.  Too bad so  many 
American child stars are allowed to run wild and get in so much  trouble.  Their 
parents should all take lessons from Dan's  parents.
 

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP


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From sgarfio at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 22 22:43:45 2005
From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OoP England shooting back on
In-Reply-To: <81.2a120287.2fe9b350@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20050622224345.93708.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>

--- artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
> to show how inaccurate this reporting is - Dan will be 16 in July,  not 15! 

Yeah, I caught that too.  And this is obviously not an old article, since
they're talking about the change of locale.
 
> That's "legal" in England for many things, as I understand it  (they finish 
> school at 16, they can get married at 16, actors that age can work  a full
> day 
> just like an adult, etc.).  

Oooh, does that mean he can start working full days and they'll get the movies
done faster?  That must be a huge factor in their filming schedules, given that
he plays the point-of-view character and is therefore in practically EVERY
SCENE!

> And he's going to Australia in  November to film 
> "December Boys" where his character will have a LOVE  AFFAIR!! 

That doesn't necessarily mean it will be explicit.  IMDb lists it as a "family"
film, and the other descriptions I found don't sound too racy.  I don't think
it would bother me to have my 16-year-old son playing a character who has an
off-screen love affair, or even some on-screen smooching and so forth.  It's
interesting, though, how he seems to always end up in orphan roles - David
Copperfield, Harry Potter, and now this?

Sherry Garfio


"Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open."
    -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire





		
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From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Jun 23 01:44:32 2005
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:44:32 +0100
Subject: Peeves, etc (was Re: hello)
In-Reply-To: <12f.5f7ae492.2fe5c3fb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050623000733.0098b2a0@plum.cream.org>

At 19:37 18/06/05 , artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 6/18/2005 11:21:14 A.M. Candace Ann  writes:
>
>I am  new to the group and was just wondering why JKR left PEEVES out
>of the  movies?
>
>JKR didn't leave Peeves out of the movies, Steve Kloves (the screen  writer)
>did, probably to save money.

Not true.

>Peeves would have to be created by  CGI or some other special effect (or a 
>midget on wires, who knows?), all of  which costs money and screen time.

Peeves was included in the script of PS/SS and his scenes were filmed - he 
was played  by Rick Mayall. The character was excised from the final cut by 
Chris Columbus (director) because, according to what he said at the time of 
the film's release, he was unhappy with some technical aspect (he was 
pretty vague, but it boiled down to "it didn't work"). Rick Mayall also had 
something similar to say about it at the time. Considering the speed at 
which the movie was made, I suspect it was more a question of time running 
out rather than money.

As the character hadn't been established in what made it to cinemas as the 
first movie, there was little point in including him in the later ones, so 
he was excised at script stage.

<snip the rest>

Second point, regarding Dan reaching 16 and its possible impact on the 
movie-making process:

>as I understand it they [Brits] finish school at 16, they can get married 
>at 16, actors that age can work  a full day just like an adult, etc..  And 
>he's going to Australia in  November to film "December Boys" where his 
>character will have a LOVE  AFFAIR!!  (according to the press info released).

Just to clarify the age issue: for various reasons, there is no single age 
of "maturity" in UK law, or practice. Different ages apply to different 
things.

(As an aside, but to give you a flavour of what I'm talking about, there is 
no UK equivalent of one of the charges of which Michael Jackson was 
accused, "giving alcohol to a minor" or whatever the actual charge was, 
because technically there is no age limit in UK law for drinking alcohol. 
There is a limit to *buying* it - 18 - and a limit of 14 to enter licensed 
premises - i.e. pubs and bars - other than those serving food; *forcing* a 
minor to drink alcohol would be dealt with under a variety of other laws, 
including child endangerment.)

Whilst compulsory education in Britain finishes at 16, once they have sat 
their GCSEs (real-world equivalent of Hogwarts OWLs, usually taken in the 
year of their 16th birthday), the majority now stay on to 18. For the 
practical reason that whilst 16 year-olds can seek full-time employment, 
it's difficult because the vast majority of employers require new staff in 
all but the most menial of jobs to have A Levels (real-world equivalent of 
NEWTs). And this is because more and more people stayed on at school for 
the extra two years, so it became the norm.

Furthermore, technically there is no actual age limit to taking GCSEs or A 
Levels; because they are examinations in individual subjects rather than a 
US or European "graduation"-type diploma, anyone can take them at any time 
if they consider themselves prepared (although usually one will need an 
educational establishment to arrange the exams). As a result, it's 
technically possible (and very much true in practice) to take A Levels well 
into your 20s or beyond. I know several people who took specific A Levels 
in their 30s or 40s for career reasons of one sort or another.

Incidentally, the Hogwarts careers advice sessions at 15 are a reflection 
of real-world school practice, for the reasons stated in OOtP.

As far as Potter actors go, the Phelps twins certainly didn't stay on past 
their CGSEs, and I think that Rupert isn't either. Tom Felton, I recall, 
isn't staying on for A Levels, but is going to a fishing college (a word 
which doesn't mean the same thing as it does in the USA!) instead.

Dan may or may not choose to leave after his GCSEs, but I'm sure that his 
parents, like most British parents, are doing their best to convince him to 
stay on for his A Levels. Regardless of the speculation of how much money 
he has in the bank and whatever the truth is, it's certainly true that he 
has enough already not to need to need a "proper" job, ever, and thus he 
doesn't need qualifications for the usual bread-and-butter reasons.

Which brings me on to my next point: children under 14 are exempt from 
paying tax on earnings (for the simple reason that there's an assumption 
that they won't earn enough to take them over the basic exemption limit we 
all have of just over ?5,000 or around $8,500 a year). At 14 that changes, 
because children are given a National Insurance number (equivalent in some 
respects, as I understand it, to the American Social Security number), 
which is the gateway to paying taxes (that number is the index for the 
government to know who's earned what and thus what tax they have to pay; it 
has other uses as well, but that's the principal one).

Employment law allows anyone over 14 to work any hours they want (other 
than on days they are meant to be at school). Technically, therefore, 
during school holidays, children over 14 can work the same hours adults can 
(for instance, when I was 14, many moons ago, I had an official job and 
worked 48-50 hour weeks during the summer and Christmas break from school). 
It's not accidental that when Billy Eliot was being made a few years ago, a 
14 year-old (Jamie Bell) was chosen to play the titular character, who was 
meant to be 11...

I was therefore a bit surprised to find that (presumably on the insistence 
of Dan's parents), principal photography for GoF wasn't started last summer 
instead of waiting until the start of the school term. The same goes for 
OotP, starting in the new year, rather than this summer.

I *think* Dan is meant to be taking his GCSEs next year (rather than right 
now, but I may be mistaken), which means that he'll still be subject to 
education law (rather than just employment law) during the filming of OotP. 
On that assumption, there's nothing stopping him giving up on school 
temporarily for a few years after that to finish filming the Potter series 
(assuming Book Seven will be out within the next couple of years)  before 
going back to do whatever A Levels he thinks are appropriate to whatever he 
might want to do with the rest of his life. Or he could give up on academia 
entirely and go to drama school (my own opinion is that he needs it) or 
other performing arts educational institution which is reliant on talent 
rather than academic qualifications. I'm sure he'd be accepted, given his 
track record (not to mention that he's in a position to pay any fees 
necessary).

A couple of extra observations: 16 year-olds can marry in the UK, true, but 
only with formal parental consent (although there are a couple of tiny 
loopholes). 16 is also the age of sexual consent (there is a well-reported 
case before the courts right now of a - female - teacher who was having a 
relationship with a 15 year old pupil; according to press reports, she was 
very careful not to cross the line until his next birthday...).

As for the film Dan's meant to be making in Oz later this year, could I 
point out to those who are thinking this may be somewhat salacious that 
"Summer of '42" made in the early 70s which dealt with a fairly similar 
topic (certainly in respect of the teenager's first sexual encounter) was 
rated "PG" on both sides of the Atlantic.

--
Richard AKA GulPlum, passing through (and who copied most of the above from 
something he wrote for other purposes, for another audience)



From marilynpeake at cs.com  Thu Jun 23 03:39:43 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:39:43 -0000
Subject: "evil" McGonagall??
In-Reply-To: <fa.14b3cdb8.2fd72c87@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d9datv+uc78@eGroups.com>


That's a really interesting possibility!  I've always liked 
McGonagall, but never had any real strong positive vibes about her.  
She always seemed to be a strict, "letter of the law", "all business" 
type of person.  She hasn't been shown to have a truly kind side; and 
I could see where there's room for her to be revealed as either good 
or evil.  Interesting.

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
  
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 6/7/2005 12:22:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> There is a thread on HPFGU about Minerva McGonagall being  evil.
> Jennifer
> 
>> Wow, that's one I hadn't picked up on!  I always took 
her  "tapping fingers" as just the sign of an impatient, busy person 
who's been kept  waiting by the tradition of rowing the ickle 
firsties across the lake (which  could be considered by some to be 
quite a waste of time, but it does give the  older students time to 
get into the Great Hall and get settled, I  suppose).  "Evil" huh?  I 
can't see it, but then again, I like her a  lot.  Interesting idea, 
though.  
>> Lynda






From redlena_web at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 16:36:44 2005
From: redlena_web at yahoo.com (Red Lena)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:36:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Daniel Radcliffe's movie roles and Weird Sisters band members in GoF
In-Reply-To: <20050622224345.93708.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050623163644.87765.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>

> Sherry Garfio wrote:
> It's interesting, though, how he [Daniel Radcliffe] 
> seems to always end up in orphan roles - David 
> Copperfield, Harry Potter, and now this?
> Sherry Garfio
> 

RedLena:

Hi.  I just joined the movie list the other day after
(mostly lurking, occassionally posting) being on the
book list for a while now.

Anyway, I just thought I'd point out that not all of
Daniel's Radcliffe's movie roles have been as orphans.
 In his first movie role in "The Tailor of Panama" he
played the son of Geoffrey Rush and Jamie Lee Curtis
in a (relatively) happy family unit.

It's a pretty good movie (it is rated R) that was
released the same year as "Harry Potter and the
Sorcerer's Stone."

While perusing IMDB.com to verify facts I've shared
above, I looked over at the page about the upcoming
GoF movie and was pleasantly surprised to see actors
listed in the cast list who were identified as playing
"Weird Sisters band member."  I find it encouraging
that little detail is making into the film... I
wouldn't have expected it.

--RedLena


		
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From emrsing at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 16:49:29 2005
From: emrsing at yahoo.com (Beth MotherBear)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: "evil" McGonagall??
In-Reply-To: <d9datv+uc78@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20050623164929.62040.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I am not sure that I have ever posted before, and I may not be going about it correctly, but I can't lurk about anymore and allow Minerva McGonagall to be the object of such libelous speculation.  Yes, she is strict.  But I do not see how anyone could be more loyal to Dumbledore than she.  She has a very tender side which she tries so hard to hide.  She was at #4 Privet Dr.  all day watching and waiting before Dumbledore and Hagrid, and didn't want the baby Harry placed with "the worst sort of muggles possible."  She has had tears in her eyes on numerous occasions when it has come to Harry's welfare.  She took how many stun blows to the chest when she went running to Hagrid's defense in GOF?  She gave Harry his first broom for Pete's sake.  No.  It is not possible or even remotely conceiveable that McGonagal would ever, ever, ever go over to the dark side of her own free will.  She is a very strong, practical, loyal (and yes, tender hearted) supporter of Dumbledore and Harry
 and would never, ever switch sides.  She hasn't got an evil bone in her body!
 
emrsing in Oregon, USA

Marilyn Peake <marilynpeake at cs.com> wrote:

That's a really interesting possibility!  I've always liked 
McGonagall, but never had any real strong positive vibes about her.  
She always seemed to be a strict, "letter of the law", "all business" 
type of person.  She hasn't been shown to have a truly kind side; and 
I could see where there's room for her to be revealed as either good 
or evil.  Interesting.

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
  
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at a... wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 6/7/2005 12:22:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> There is a thread on HPFGU about Minerva McGonagall being  evil.
> Jennifer
> 
>> Wow, that's one I hadn't picked up on!  I always took 
her  "tapping fingers" as just the sign of an impatient, busy person 
who's been kept  waiting by the tradition of rowing the ickle 
firsties across the lake (which  could be considered by some to be 
quite a waste of time, but it does give the  older students time to 
get into the Great Hall and get settled, I  suppose).  "Evil" huh?  I 
can't see it, but then again, I like her a  lot.  Interesting idea, 
though.  
>> Lynda





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From marilynpeake at cs.com  Thu Jun 23 18:22:26 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:22:26 -0000
Subject: "evil" McGonagall??
In-Reply-To: <20050623164929.62040.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d9eul2+f2p0@eGroups.com>

Hi, Beth,

Like I said, I like McGonagall; but, in real life, it is sometimes 
the very strict or the very high-achieving who join the dark side for 
what they feel are "noble" reasons.  I'm assuming that that's why 
George Lucas had Anakin start out as a high-achieving student who, 
due to his ideals and his love for his wife, went over to the dark 
side.  I'm not expecting that McGonagall would do this, but was 
trying to come up with a reason why she might.

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

~~ Drink deeply by land or sea. Earth comes only once.~~
>From THE FISHERMAN'S SON Trilogy 
http://www.marilynpeake.com
http://www.thefishermansson.com
http://www.thecityofthegoldensun.com
 
--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Beth MotherBear <emrsing at y...> 
wrote:
>> Well, I am not sure that I have ever posted before, and I may not 
be going about it correctly, but I can't lurk about anymore and allow 
Minerva McGonagall to be the object of such libelous speculation.  
Yes, she is strict.  But I do not see how anyone could be more loyal 
to Dumbledore than she.  She has a very tender side which she tries 
so hard to hide.






From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 19:18:08 2005
From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: David Yates's work on TV this Sat. June 25
Message-ID: <20050623191808.317.qmail@web51910.mail.yahoo.com>

Yates's "The Girl in the Caf" scripted by Richard Curtis 
("Love, Actually" etc.) and starring Bill Nighy and Kelly 
MacDonald will be on the BBC, HBO and stations all around 
the globe in the last week of June as a cornerstone of the 
"Make Poverty History" campaign.  HBO and BBC reportedly 
will screen it June 25 and simulcast by BBC Prime across 
Africa and broadcasters in all the other G8 nations, along 
with a score of other countries.  Check your local listings 
for the time.
 
(This is according to the article at:
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117923640&c=14 )

You can see the trailer at 
http://www.hbo.com/events/girlinthecafe/index.html

I'm really bummed because I don't have HBO or BBC.  <sigh>  
Looks like I'll have to wait until OotP/2007 ("Brideshead 
Revisited" or "Life Story" seem unlikely to get into 
theaters before then?) to sample Yates's work as a director 
because I haven't been able to get my hands on any of his 
other works [Sex Traffic, The Young Visiters, State of Play, 
Rank, The Way We Live Now, The Sins, The Tichborne Claimant, 
The Bill].

The reviews are good but if you watch this, would you tell 
us what *you* think of Yates's direction?

Some reviews:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8270664/site/newsweek
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&r=VE1117927413&c=32

Petra
a
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From jellocat at comcast.net  Thu Jun 23 18:23:31 2005
From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:23:31 -0400
Subject: foreshadowing in movie PoA?
In-Reply-To: <1119545863.322.94553.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1576048063.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

I'm new to this list so I do apologize if this has been addressed before
because I know it's an old question. But I read about how Jo has made
mention that there are elements in PoA that foreshadow events that take
place in upcoming books that the director had no idea about. I was wondering
if there's been any discussion about that. One thing I noticed in the movie
is when the cleaning lady knocks on the door, the door opens, and there's a
growl (like a lion) at her. Could that be the new DADA instructor we'll meet
in Book 6??

Jellocat








From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 20:45:33 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:45:33 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1239
Message-ID: <d1.2b51d08d.2fec796d@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 6/23/2005 12:59:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

GulPlum  (Richard) said:
I was therefore a bit surprised to find that (presumably on  the insistence 
of Dan's parents), principal photography for GoF wasn't  started last summer 
instead of waiting until the start of the school term.  The same goes for 
OotP, starting in the new year, rather than this  summer.

I *think* Dan is meant to be taking his GCSEs next year 


He took some "huge exams" in January of this year, according to the  
newsletter he sent fans (which was posted on DanRadcliffe.com and  DanRadcliffe.co.uk) 
-- wouldn't those have been the GCSEs?
 
Why would Dan's parents insist on photography starting at a certain  time if 
he's not doing other projects -- unless they're trying to make sure he  gets a 
certain amount of vacation time??  And how do you know this?  I  haven't seen 
any articles stating that, but I'm in the US and not privy to all  the 
articles you are in the UK, unless someone posts them online.

Thanks for the explanations of all the various things about age  limitations 
in the UK.  So if kids are allowed in pubs at age 14, why are  Third Years 
(13) allowed in the Three Broomsticks?  I'm thoroughly  confused.  Thanks for 
info!  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 20:49:28 2005
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:49:28 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
Message-ID: <9.46a6957a.2fec7a58@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2005 12:59:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

actors
listed in the cast list who were identified as  playing
"Weird Sisters band member."  I find it encouraging
that  little detail is making into the film... I
wouldn't have expected  it.



from what I've read, those are real rock musicians, not  actors, members of 
some Scottish (?) band (I've forgotten, sorry -- I've never  heard of the band, 
but I live "across the pond". . .)  

Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg,  OoP



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From hp at plum.cream.org  Thu Jun 23 22:11:05 2005
From: hp at plum.cream.org (GulPlum)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:11:05 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1239
In-Reply-To: <d1.2b51d08d.2fec796d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20050623220032.009bdb90@plum.cream.org>

At 21:45 23/06/05 , artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 6/23/2005 12:59:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>GulPlum  (Richard) said:
>I was therefore a bit surprised to find that (presumably on  the insistence
>of Dan's parents), principal photography for GoF wasn't  started last summer
>instead of waiting until the start of the school term.  The same goes for
>OotP, starting in the new year, rather than this  summer.
>
>I *think* Dan is meant to be taking his GCSEs next year
>
>He took some "huge exams" in January of this year, according to the
>newsletter he sent fans (which was posted on DanRadcliffe.com 
>and  DanRadcliffe.co.uk) -- wouldn't those have been the GCSEs?

It's possible, because GCSE (and A Level) exams usually have two sessions, 
in May-June (as per OotP) and February. However, the February sessions are 
*usually* reserved for those re-taking failed exams from the previous 
summer session. On the other hand, as I said before, there is no age limit 
on when pupils can take their exams (and it's possible to split them over 
several sessions), and thus it's possible that Dan took GCSEs in those 
subjects he feels best at early and will take the rest either in the 
current session, or next February or June (I did something similar myself 
almost 30 years ago). One of the good things about the British education 
system (which in some respects is also one of the bad things) is its 
flexibility.

The thing is, it's also possible that the exams he took in February were 
preparatory ones (the system has changed since my time, but 30 years ago, 
there was a session of "mock" exams after the Christmas break).

In summary, however, the best answer I can give is that anything could be 
read into the comments that are out there (I didn't know about the 
newsletter). I would expect that we'll get some kind of inkling as to Dan's 
future education plans later in the summer after the national GCSE exam 
results are announced (as I recall, second Thursday of August); that's when 
he'll know how he did, assuming that he took some in February and is taking 
more now.

>Why would Dan's parents insist on photography starting at a certain  time if
>he's not doing other projects -- unless they're trying to make sure 
>he  gets a
>certain amount of vacation time??  And how do you know this?  I  haven't seen
>any articles stating that, but I'm in the US and not privy to all  the
>articles you are in the UK, unless someone posts them online.

Please re-read what I wrote. Any connection between delays in production 
and Dan's plans are an *assumption* on my part. I know that the start of 
PoA (or was it GoF?) principal photography was delayed for a few months 
because he was starting at a new school and his parents wanted him to 
settle in.

I can think of no reason why the production team would *want* to delay 
starting OotP until after the new year: whilst British weather is far from 
certain at any time of year, you're pretty much guaranteed bad weather (and 
short days) in January, February and March. Why not take advantage of the 
longer, warmer days and more predictable weather during the summer? As far 
as I know, Leavesden has stood unoccupied since GoF wrapped principal 
photography several months ago, which would have given the designers, etc, 
time to do what they need to do for a summer shoot. Delaying the shoot by 
six months also delays release by six months. Instead of feasibly attaining 
a Christmas 2006 release, the best they can do is summer 2007.

So the question remains, why the delay, and who caused it? My own best bet 
is the movie's leading man, without whose presence not much can be done.

As for taking on another project, we can only speculate about how long 
negotiations were going on and when the decision was taken, but it was 
announced that OotP wouldn't start filming until after the new year well 
before GoF wrapped. I somehow doubt that serious conversations about the 
Australian project were already under way.

Which brings us back to the original point: if Dan's going to be in 
Australia for a few months, I expect it means that he won't be planning on 
going back to school in the news school year (except, perhaps, for sitting 
a few GCSEs in February).

>Thanks for the explanations of all the various things about age  limitations
>in the UK.  So if kids are allowed in pubs at age 14, why are  Third Years
>(13) allowed in the Three Broomsticks?  I'm thoroughly  confused.  Thanks for
>info!

Probably for the same reason that the age of "adulthood" in the wizarding 
world is 17 rather than 18: plot convenience. The wizarding certainly 
doesn't follow all aspects of the Muggle world (never mind the real one), 
so there's no reason for JKR not to adhere to our expectations of what 
happens when. 



From yolandacarroll at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 26 17:04:15 2005
From: yolandacarroll at yahoo.com (yolandacarroll)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:04:15 -0000
Subject: *Important* - HP Chat is going on today.  Please read.
Message-ID: <d9mn6f+lbgf@eGroups.com>

HP:1 is not available.  That's Ok, HP Chat is still on.  
Please come to this link:
http://www.rayzonz.com/cmps_index.php?

As to why HP:1 is not working, according to posts on HPFGU OT Chatter, 
including an article, Yahoo has turned off the "user" created chat 
rooms. 

I am not a list elf and I will leave the offical word and a permanent 
solution up to them.  I simply wanted us to have somewhere to chat, 
especially with 19 days to go til book 6.








From marilynpeake at cs.com  Mon Jun 27 02:20:57 2005
From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:20:57 -0000
Subject: Great Web Site - Harry Potter Movies
Message-ID: <d9nnq9+umgl@eGroups.com>

Hi, everyone,

You may already be aware of the site; but I recently found a great web 
site with a lot of information about Harry Potter movies, including 
plans for future movies:
http://www.veritaserum.com/movies/movie5/directorsearch.shtml

Best Wishes,
Marilyn

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