From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Tue Oct 4 17:56:58 2005 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:56:58 -0000 Subject: Media Blitz- Too much? Message-ID: Hi everyone, I was curious how many of you, like me, are trying to stay away from the photos and the trailers and so on, so that the movie (still more than a month to go!) is still a bit of a surprise. I have seen a few thirty second trailers already and feel like I've seen too much. I really can't wait to see this film (It was my absolute favorite book!) and I just would like to preserve what I think things look like a little longer vs. already seeing what the film execs visions of things are (such as, Sirus' head in the fire... I wish I hadn't seen that yet!) Let me know what you think! Lauren From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Oct 5 14:55:07 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:55:07 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Media blitz -- too much? Message-ID: <1c9.3263757a.3075434b@aol.com> I can't see ENOUGH of the GoF stuff! It took me a while to get used to Dan's hair being so long, but now that I'm used to it, I like it and don't like it short (as it is now - there's a new pic of him with the webmistress on both DanRadcliffe.com and DanRadcliffe.co.uk -- both of them got to interview him in the last couple of weeks, lucky ladies!). I'm eager for the new posters to be released (the French one that's so gorgeous of Harry will be released 10/25 -- I don't have the link to that site here, but it's available on a couple of poster sites for $9.99 -- check Mugglenet for the link). The more I see of the trailers, the more detail I see, and that will make it easier to catch stuff in the films, I think. Too often, I get fascinated with some aspect of a picture and miss some detail I should have paid attention to, so the more I see beforehand, the better I like it! And this is my fav. book too -- can't WAIT to see the film!! Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Oct 5 17:40:59 2005 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:40:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Media Blitz- Too much? Message-ID: <7822392.1128534060032.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> I know what you mean! I am signed up for e-mail updates from the Leaky Caudron. Every day there are new photos from the film. Though I'm tempted not to open and view them, I am drawn to it like a moth to a flame! I am so super-excited about this film. I know a lot will be left out, so I don't want to re-read the book in advance to avoid that dissapointment. But it looks like they've gone all out to create a funny, thrilling, chilling movie. I've even already asked for Fri Nov. 18th off work so I can be first in line to see the film! :-) I'll probably take my two 7 year olds even though it's PG-13. Hope they don't have nightmares over the scary ending (Cedric getting killed, Harry cut, Pettigrew's arm cut off...ewww!, LV coming back to life). Valerie >From: laurenmcoakley >Date: Tue Oct 04 12:56:58 CDT 2005 >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Media Blitz- Too much? >Hi everyone, > >I was curious how many of you, like me, are trying to stay away from >the photos and the trailers and so on, so that the movie (still more >than a month to go!) is still a bit of a surprise. I have seen a few >thirty second trailers already and feel like I've seen too much. I >really can't wait to see this film (It was my absolute favorite book!) >and I just would like to preserve what I think things look like a >little longer vs. already seeing what the film execs visions of things >are (such as, Sirus' head in the fire... I wish I hadn't seen that >yet!) > >Let me know what you think! > >Lauren > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > From dzny72 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 20:01:55 2005 From: dzny72 at yahoo.com (dzny72) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:01:55 -0000 Subject: Wierd Sisters lawsuit Message-ID: I just saw this on VH1.com and thought it was an interesting tidbit. Basically a group already called the "Wyrd Sisters" (note the spelling) is suing Warner Bros. and the musicians who play the band in GoF for copyright infringement. If you are interested, here is the link: http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1510896/10042005/story.jhtml You may have to copy & paste the address to get it to work. I would like to hear the opinions of others, because I think this is a little bit silly. . . dzny From glcherry at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 5 20:27:55 2005 From: glcherry at bellsouth.net (glcherry at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:27:55 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wierd Sisters lawsuit References: Message-ID: <4344374B.7090201@bellsouth.net> I have to agree with the article that this is nothing more than a blatant attempt to get money. I mean how long has the book been out for goodness sake? Did they sue the publisher and JKR when it was released? I hope that the courts dismiss this, and quickly. Warner Brothers (because it was IN the book) shouldn't have even agreed to not put the name (Weird Sisters) in the movie. Lorrie dzny72 wrote: >I just saw this on VH1.com and thought it was an interesting tidbit. >Basically a group already called the "Wyrd Sisters" (note the spelling) >is suing Warner Bros. and the musicians who play the band in GoF for >copyright infringement. If you are interested, here is the link: > >http://www.vh1.com/movies/news/articles/1510896/10042005/story.jhtml > >You may have to copy & paste the address to get it to work. I would >like to hear the opinions of others, because I think this is a little >bit silly. . . > >dzny > > > > > > >________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > >Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > >Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com >____________________________________________________________ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > From geebsy at yahoo.com Thu Oct 6 03:15:19 2005 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 03:15:19 -0000 Subject: Wyrd Sisters Message-ID: I am sitting in Winnipeg Manitoba right now and was going to post the article last night when I read it in the Winnipeg Free Press. It really has to to with the upholding of Copyright laws. The Wyrd Sisters are a well known folk group in Canada and hold the right to the name. Loss of income is a serious business folks. I hope that it is settle in a friendly manner as I want to see Harry Potter too. Geebsy (usually in Saskatchewan, but in Winnipeg for a Conference) From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Oct 6 13:15:29 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:15:29 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wyrd Sisters Message-ID: <126.66fcaa5e.30767d71@aol.com> In a message dated 10/6/2005 4:23:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: I am sitting in Winnipeg Manitoba right now and was going to post the article last night when I read it in the Winnipeg Free Press. It really has to to with the upholding of Copyright laws. The Wyrd Sisters are a well known folk group in Canada and hold the right to the name. Loss of income is a serious business folks. I hope that it is settle in a friendly manner as I want to see Harry Potter too. Geebsy (usually in Saskatchewan, but in Winnipeg for a Conference) You can't "copyright" a name - it has to be trademarked. WB has trademarked every single character name in the HP world (including Hedwig, Hagrid, etc.) The spelling is different, and the books have been out for years with no lawsuits as a result of that name in the book. I'm a professional artist and serious about copyright too, but I don't think this case has a leg to stand on. It's just an unfortunate thing. And honestly, I think hearing "about" the Weird Sisters in the film, or even hearing them, might draw an entirely new crowd to the Wyrd Sisters concerts -- it could BENEFIT them. ;-> I don't see a lot of ways it can harm them, since anyone with half a brain would know the Weird Sisters in the film are not a real band (they're members of various bands, if I understand it correctly). Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From salla.klemetti at luukku.com Thu Oct 6 17:31:48 2005 From: salla.klemetti at luukku.com (Salla Klemetti) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:31:48 -0000 Subject: Where is the new trailer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now this site has also two tv spots! Salla --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Salla Klemetti" wrote: > All three are here: > http://bigscreen.com/NowShowing.php?movie=44932&view=media > > Salla > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "michelle439731" > wrote: > > Oh my god! I'm so excited about the new film but I can't get a hold > > of the new trailer and it is bugging the hell out of me. I've > already > > seen the two that are on the web site but where is the third one. > > Please can someone direct me to where I can download the newest one. > > I promis to get far too over excited and run around my flat squeeling > > like a little girl. > > > > michelle439731 > > xxx From sgarfio at yahoo.com Fri Oct 7 20:10:49 2005 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wyrd Sisters In-Reply-To: <126.66fcaa5e.30767d71@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051007201049.27264.qmail@web53209.mail.yahoo.com> A couple of points to note from the article: "Warner had initially approached [the Wyrd Sisters] with an offer of $5,000 to use the band's name in the film. After the Wyrd Sisters declined, Warner made a second offer which some reports put in the range of $50,000, a figure Townley-Smith [their lawyer] would not confirm or deny which the band also turned down." And eariler in the article (but presumably later in time): "'My clients have trademarked the name the Wyrd Sisters, and Warner recognized that, so they're taking the name out of the movie. We're just saying that's not enough,' the band's lawyer, Kimberly Townley-Smith, said." So, WB offered to pay for use of the name, the band declined, and WB isn't using the name in the film. So far nobody has broken the law. I don't see how it's WB's fault that HP fans know, from reading the *book*, that the band portrayed is called the Weird Sisters. The Canadian band got their name from either Pratchett or Shakespeare (and obviously Pratchett got it from Shakespeare). It's quite likely that JKR got the name from Shakespeare as well. Note that in the case of a trade name, if two people from different businesses use the same name, that's perfectly legal. For example, Joe's Hardware and Joe's Seafood Shop can coexist even in the same town. The only possible case I can see for a law suit is against JKR for using the name for a fictional band when there was already a real band by that name - but even that is quite a stretch, since one is in the music business and the other is in a work of fiction. If they thought they could win that one, they probably would have tried it already. Their lawyer also says: "The primary thrust in the litigation is Warner Bros. Entertainment Group. We're not interested in Radiohead's money; we just don't want them to go around performing as the Wyrd Sisters." So again, WHY are they going after WB? Has WB ever talked about touring their piecemeal band as the Weird Sisters to promote the GoF movie? Are they planning to credit them as the Weird Sisters on the soundtrack? Most likely they'll credit them as individual artists, with "courtesy of" credits for their labels; otherwise it gets confusing because these guys *don't* have an identity as the Weird Sisters. It also states in there that the band's lawyer plans to try to block distribution of the film if an agreement can't be reached - which makes even less sense than anything else she's said because the name ISN'T IN THE FILM! Whatever damage has been done to her client's trade name has already been done. HP fans who didn't know about the folk band already think of the Weird Sisters as the band from GoF. The film doesn't even reinforce the connection. And I wonder what kind of "agreement" she's trying to reach. Removing the name from the film isn't enough for her. Does she want WB to go back in time and have JKR rename her band before she published the book and before WB bought the film rights? Sherry Garfio --- artsylynda at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/6/2005 4:23:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > I am sitting in Winnipeg Manitoba right now and was going to post the > article last night when I read it in the Winnipeg Free Press. It > really has to to with the upholding of Copyright laws. The Wyrd > Sisters are a well known folk group in Canada and hold the right to the > name. Loss of income is a serious business folks. I hope that it is > settle in a friendly manner as I want to see Harry Potter too. > Geebsy (usually in Saskatchewan, but in Winnipeg for a Conference) > > > You can't "copyright" a name - it has to be trademarked. WB has trademarked > every single character name in the HP world (including Hedwig, Hagrid, etc.) > > The spelling is different, and the books have been out for years with no > lawsuits as a result of that name in the book. I'm a professional artist > and > serious about copyright too, but I don't think this case has a leg to stand > on. > It's just an unfortunate thing. And honestly, I think hearing "about" the > Weird Sisters in the film, or even hearing them, might draw an entirely new > crowd to the Wyrd Sisters concerts -- it could BENEFIT them. ;-> I don't > see > a lot of ways it can harm them, since anyone with half a brain would know > the Weird Sisters in the film are not a real band (they're members of > various > bands, if I understand it correctly). > > Lynda > > "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Oct 9 02:21:37 2005 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:37 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1296 Message-ID: <1d8.4716bd6d.3079d8b1@aol.com> In a message dated 10/8/2005 4:38:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: So again, WHY are they going after WB? Has WB ever talked about touring their piecemeal band as the Weird Sisters to promote the GoF movie? Are they planning to credit them as the Weird Sisters on the soundtrack? Most likely they'll credit them as individual artists, with "courtesy of" credits for their labels; otherwise it gets confusing because these guys *don't* have an identity as the Weird Sisters. I didn't know about the financial offers you mentioned, but as for why they're doing this -- look at all the "free" publicity they're getting!! As they say, any publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right! I'd say that's why they're keeping this stuff in the press. Lynda "The cat's among the pixies now." Mrs. Figg, OoP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sgarfio at yahoo.com Mon Oct 10 18:30:21 2005 From: sgarfio at yahoo.com (Sherry Garfio) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Wyrd Sisters In-Reply-To: <1d8.4716bd6d.3079d8b1@aol.com> Message-ID: <20051010183022.41589.qmail@web53203.mail.yahoo.com> I wrote: > So again, WHY are they going after WB? Has WB ever talked about touring > their > piecemeal band as the Weird Sisters to promote the GoF movie? Are they > planning to credit them as the Weird Sisters on the soundtrack? Most likely > they'll credit them as individual artists, with "courtesy of" credits for > their > labels; otherwise it gets confusing because these guys *don't* have an > identity > as the Weird Sisters. Lynda replied: > I didn't know about the financial offers you mentioned, but as for why > they're doing this -- look at all the "free" publicity they're getting!! As > they > say, any publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right! > > I'd say that's why they're keeping this stuff in the press. You're absolutely right, and as usual the same thing occurred to me the moment I logged off. I didn't know the band existed until now, and I'm even tempted to go look for a clip of their music. Who knows, they could be awesome. I doubt that people will buy tickets to their concert thinking it's the HP band though, which was also a concern expressed in the article. Can't you just see a throng of rabid HP fans mobbing the stage, demanding Jarvis Cocker? (Okay, maybe one or two, but I think most of us know the difference between fiction and reality. Probably.) And not only is the press spelling their name right, they're pointing out the spelling difference again and again! The lawyer said that the spelling was irrelevant (trying to head off people who would point out that "Weird Sisters" is not trademarked by the Canadian band - and I have to agree with her on just this one point, because in a movie the characters are not going to be spelling the name - as in "Hey, did you hear who Dumbledore got to play at the Yule Ball? The W-E-I-R-D Sisters!") - but it's certainly relevant from a marketing perspective! Sherry "Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open." -- Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From marilynpeake at cs.com Tue Oct 11 02:51:51 2005 From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:51:51 -0000 Subject: Movie Trailer: The Goblet of Fire Message-ID: When I saw The Corpse Bride this weekend, I saw the movie trailer for The Goblet of Fire. It looked stunning! Now, I'm really psyched to see the movie next month!!!! Best Wishes, Marilyn http://www.marilynpeake.com ~~ "The Golden Goblet" Newsletter, now available at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marilynpeake From goosefeather at 3web.net Thu Oct 13 21:02:02 2005 From: goosefeather at 3web.net (Brigit La Lune) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:02:02 -0000 Subject: Newell's GOF production notes Message-ID: Hi to all, Mugglenet just posted the link to read Mike Newell's Goblet of Fire final production notes. You can find them here : http://movies.warnerbros.com/pub/movie/HP4/HP4_notes1.doc You can also find, also on Mugglenet, seven new pics from the movie. Cheers ! From tin_kim924 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 15 18:56:45 2005 From: tin_kim924 at yahoo.com (Tin Samson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: help with screen caps and images pls? Message-ID: <20051015185646.14961.qmail@web42003.mail.yahoo.com> hi there! to fellow HP fans... i hope to be able to ask a HUGE favor from some of you who can help me out... i need some pictures, but unfortunately, i can't do screen caps. i already found some stuff online, but i hope you can give me other images. please, please, i hope you can email me some HIGH-RES screen caps ASAP.. hope that several of you can help give me pics. i need images of: - harry's wand (maybe ollivanders from the first movie) - firebolt - time-turner - mirror of erised - marauder's map - invisibility cloak - hedwig - weasley's clock with the children's faces - tom riddle's diary - remembrall is there any omage of the pensieve available already? i need that too pls. thanks so much! hope you can email me at wickedtin at gmail.com. anyone! THANKS SO MUCH FOR HELPING! tin test'; "> --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ginny343 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 16 23:48:26 2005 From: ginny343 at yahoo.com (ginny343) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:48:26 -0000 Subject: Goblet of Fire question Message-ID: My favorite Snape-scene in Goblet of Fire was at the end when he showed Fudge the dark mark on his arm. Does anyone know if that part will be in the movie? Ginny343 From libtax10375 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 17 12:12:11 2005 From: libtax10375 at earthlink.net (Leeann McCullough) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:12:11 -0400 Subject: GOF Question References: <1129540937.1439.81889.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <001901c5d314$02544150$835279a5@leeannlaptop> My favorite Snape-scene in Goblet of Fire was at the end when he showed Fudge the dark mark on his arm. Does anyone know if that part will be in the movie? Ginny343 I don't know but I hope so. I'm not sure how far they will stray from cannon. I have a wallpaper that shows the open egg sitting on Harry's night stand. I assume it isn't "screeching" as he looks worried, not in a panic. Only 31 days left!!! We can have the answers to all our questions then. Leeann From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Oct 17 20:30:26 2005 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:30:26 -0000 Subject: Movie Trailer: The Goblet of Fire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Marilyn, for sharing that! I have been to 2 movies in the theaters so far and I haven't yet caught the trailer on the big screen! Now I'm going to make my husband go see The Corpse Bride with me! (Well, we did want t see it anyway!) But thanks again! Lauren --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" wrote: > > > When I saw The Corpse Bride this weekend, I saw the movie trailer for > The Goblet of Fire. It looked stunning! Now, I'm really psyched to > see the movie next month!!!! > > Best Wishes, > Marilyn > http://www.marilynpeake.com > > ~~ "The Golden Goblet" Newsletter, now available at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marilynpeake > From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 18 19:03:47 2005 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:03:47 -0000 Subject: GOF Question In-Reply-To: <001901c5d314$02544150$835279a5@leeannlaptop> Message-ID: There were screenings of GoF this summer and apparently that scene wasn't there. Of course, screenings are rough cuts; remember the gravestone error? That was corrected, so maybe it will be in the final movie. I can't imagine it being left out, it's so important to the future of the series. But they did leave out the Marauders in POA!! Lizzie --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Leeann McCullough" wrote: > > My favorite Snape-scene in Goblet of Fire was at the end when he > showed Fudge the dark mark on his arm. Does anyone know if that part > will be in the movie? > > Ginny343 From lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 23 03:07:32 2005 From: lunalove_good at yahoo.co.uk (lunalove_good) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:07:32 -0000 Subject: Umbridge casting Message-ID: I read in several places already that Imelda Staunton has been casted as Umbridge for OoTP. It's not yet on IMDB, but apparently she confirmed it on the British show "This Morning". She's in Vera Drake and a lot more. I think that she's great for the part. From heidi at heidi8.com Thu Oct 27 18:57:17 2005 From: heidi at heidi8.com (heiditandy) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:57:17 -0000 Subject: Moviefone has new clip from GoF Message-ID: Moviefone just sent FictionAlley.org a link to a new clip from GoF - you can check it out at http://www.aoltrack.com/r/07b467fe0c7410825ab0e6449728fa84/ - how many days left now? Heidi http://www.fictionalley.org Creativity is magic! From Schlobin1 at aol.com Sat Oct 29 06:48:32 2005 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:48:32 -0000 Subject: Trailer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > Does Sirius say ?the devils are inside the walls? in the GOF book? I?ll have > to go back and research. Is he referring to the Mad-Eye impersonator? > And is anyone else bumming that JKR didn?t ?revive? Sirius in book 6?!?!?! I > know, I know...different forum. There?s always hope for Book 7... > Valerie > > On 9/21/05 2:10 PM, "Stephanie Holmes" wrote: > > > Cassie, > > > > It was Sirius. That scene, most people agree, looks much differently than > > what they have envisioned when reading the books. Personally, I saw Sirius's > > head floated in the midst of the fire, as is described in the books, not > > amongst logs. > > > > Steph > > > > IAmLordCassandra at a... wrote: > > Was that Sirius in the fire in that one little clip? You know, where the > > face made out of hot embers said "the devils are inside the walls" or > > something > > like that? That wasn't the way I've always pictured that...at first I was > > wondering what it was...but I think it might be Sirius. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > not canon, not canon, not canon...Of course Sirius' face is not supposed to be in the logs looking as if it is actually on fire itself..barely recognizable ..remember Amos Diggory popping up in, goodness, wasn't it also the GoF and Molly pops a piece of toast in his mouth? Susan McGee From Schlobin1 at aol.com Sat Oct 29 07:38:27 2005 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:38:27 -0000 Subject: WOW! new trailer clips are amazing! do NOT go past spoiler space ! Message-ID: The clips posted at The Leaky Cauldron are stupendous. Warning! Some of you may not want this much of the movie previewed......Also gives insight into how the film differs from the book...Now spoiler space for anyone who wants to see the clips first and read about it later... S P O I L E R S P A C E S SSS S S S S S SS SS S S S S S S S S S S Okay, first and foremost, the ferret/Mad-Eye Moody is HILARIOUS! I love it, love it, love it. And part of the scene is definitely for grownups! --- When Moody says at the end "He might have mentioned it" my partner and I howled, and our 8 year old fanatic, who corrects us about HP details, and who loves most comedy, didn't get it at all. SERIOUS SPOILERS AHEAD McGonagall is wonderful. Mad-Eye is great. I have caveats. I like the departure from the film of Malfoy taunting Harry. It was fine to take the Malfoy's taunt from another part of the book, and add Lucius on to it, but why do they keep on muddying the self defense issue? In the book, Malfoy insulted Molly Weasley. Ron was restrained by Hermione and Harry. Harry insults Draco's mother, but does not shove Malfoy. Malfoy then pulled his wand and actually curses Harry - harry feels something white hot graze the side of his face. THEN Mad Eye turned Draco into a ferret. In the film, Draco insults Harry, Harry shoves Draco, Draco pulls out his wand, then Mad Eye turns Malfoy into a ferret. A whole different scenario. Sigh, this is a sore spot for me. Self defense is justified, but it's gotta be real self defense. This reminds me of my critique of the Prisoner of Azkaban -- in the book Aunt Marge is really, really horribly nasty to Harry over a period of time, we know she's done it for years, we see Harry ignore her and ignore her and ignore her before he loses his temper. It's hard for me to laugh heartily in the film -- because it ridicules Aunt Marge so thoroughly and doesn't present enough justification for Harry's anger. I also thought it was far more effective for Moody (having been informed that professors were supposed to speak to Heads of Houses and give detentions rather than using transfiguration) to respond to Draco's mumble about his father "Well, I know your father of old, boy...you tell him Moody's keeping a close eye on his son...you tell him that from me...now, your Head of House'll be Snape, will it? Antother old friend... This was far more cool than having Mad Eye chase Draco around and threaten him. Not in Auror character. LOVED LOVED LOVED where mad eye put the ferret! - loved Goyle's face when "Malfoy" bites him...loved Harry's laugh and Cedric's laughter..fun, fun, fun... ****************** Okay. Clip where Ron and Harry start the argument. Very well done if not canon. Ron acts extremely well, looking sullen, disgruntled and unhappy. ***Two other clips with Ron and Harry and Hermione There's a scene where Hermione is acting as go-between because the boys won't talk to each other? Why? Waste of space. ****Then there is the scene in Snape's class. Most of the changes were delightful. Fred's mime asking Angelina to go to the ball works beautifully and I love his acting. Ron's beginning to ask Hermione to go to the ball in mime is wonderful acting. Ron's condescending comment to Hermione is wonderful. BUT...both these scenes make Ron look like a real prat. I worry that the same thing is happening to Ron in the transition from book to film that happened to the character of Dr. Watson. (In no way was Watson a buffoon in the books, and his bumbling oafish silly qualities really are created in the movies in which Nigel Bruce and Basil Rathbone play Dr. Watson and Sherlock Holmes) I don't like the way Ron was portrayed as such a coward in the second movie..it's fine for him to have a phobia about spiders, but phobias are quite different than being chicken.... ****Loved Wantogototheballwime... In particular, it's priceless when Harry says "fine. okay. great" Not only great acting; but a great portrayal of a teenage boy. ****LOVED the scene at the ball....wonderful new line by Ron when Padma asks him..is that Hermione Granger? LOVED Viktor's bow to Hermione...... ***did not care for Hermione's conversation with Harry about Viktor...could have done without the non-canon commentary about Viktor...particularly interested to see what others here think about that... Sorry about my long windedness... Susan (If you are 40 or over, and interested in joining Harry Potter for Grownus Over 40, please email me at SusanGSMcGee at aol.com We talk about books and movies..it's low volume. List is not affiliated with this one.) From Schlobin1 at aol.com Sat Oct 29 09:11:27 2005 From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:11:27 -0000 Subject: more hyper-critical critiques of movie clips -- spoiler warning Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E S SSS S S S S S SS SS S S S S S S S S S S name of clip: "preparing for the second task" Astonishingly enough, I have nothing to say. name of clip: "passing messages harry and ron" Reviewed this in Part I; still don't like it. Don't think the scene adds anything. name of clip: "Choosing the Champions." Oh, I'll mention here that I'm annoyed by the anglicization of the pronunciation of Beauxbatons bo -BA tahn **** -- to bo BAT tons.... does someone think we English speakers cannot handle proper French pronunciation? The same people that thought kids in the U.S.A. couldn't handle the Philosopher's Stone? and had to change it to the Sorcerer's Stone? Nicholas Flamel actually existed in this universe - he spent his life looking for the Philosopher's Stone. I wince and shudder every single time I hear Hermione say "Don't you read? It's the Sorcerer's Stone". Yes we do read, and there is no such thing as the Sorcerer's Stone. VENT VENT VENT **** The Harry Potter Lexicon has the pronunciation boh-ba-TAWN. They state that "where possible, these pronunciations have come from JKR herself saying the names." The Harry Potter word wizard site at http://www.theblanchards.com/hp/index.html has it as bo BA tahn, which sounds the most correct to me. The scholastic.com site has it pronounced BO ba tons (http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/pronunciation/play.htm) No one prior to the film has suggested bo BATtons..and I do not agree with the poster at the Leaky Cauldron who says it's right because the British pronounce baton that way.************ And more minor complaints.....let's see....I rarely visualize characters...but I had a strong picture of Madam Maxime in my head based on "handsome, olive-skinned face, large black liquid looking eyes, and a rather beaky nose. Her hair was drawn back in a shining knob at the base of her neck. She was dressed from head to foot in black satin, and many magnificent opals gleamed at her throat and on her thick fingers." I saw her as round and beautiful. I don't think the actress falls into that category. AND, I think it's out of character for Dumbledore to shout at Harry...really, not well done...'way, 'way too out of character for Dumbledore..he never shouted at Lord Voldemort! (for gosh sakes) Susan