From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  1 15:32:04 2006
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:32:04 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
In-Reply-To: <e0f4pl+op7s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0m6dk+tuvm@eGroups.com>

I liked CAPLOCKS  Harry in the book quite a lot and if they include
all of it in the movie that would be fine with me. But if the movie
people are chicken and are worried it will erode sympathy for Harry
then save most of it for the very end of the movie. I think it's
absolutely vital to see Harry wreck Dumbledore's office and I want
people to wonder if he's going to throw a punch at the Headmaster. At
that point in the movie people would have a better understanding why
Harry is acting the way he is, and if they're still a bit shocked by
his behavior that's OK too, a bit of controversy can spice things up.
When book 7 comes out if millions of people are not shocked and
outraged by it then JKR is not doing her job.

On a different subject, I read a news report that they've cast
somebody to play the part of James Potter, I haven't seen a
confirmation and I hope it's untrue. The obvious person for the part
is Dan Radcliffe, if he's up to the challenge.

Eggplant 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Apr  1 15:58:33 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:58:33 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
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References: <e0m6dk+tuvm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <374EB20F-D59C-4E77-81E9-253F75F40C2D@alltel.net>


On Apr 1, 2006, at 9:32 AM, eggplant107 wrote:

> I liked CAPLOCKS  Harry in the book quite a lot and if they include
> all of it in the movie that would be fine with me. But if the movie
> people are chicken and are worried it will erode sympathy for Harry
> then save most of it for the very end of the movie. I think it's
> absolutely vital to see Harry wreck Dumbledore's office and I want
> people to wonder if he's going to throw a punch at the Headmaster. At
> that point in the movie people would have a better understanding why
> Harry is acting the way he is, and if they're still a bit shocked by
> his behavior that's OK too, a bit of controversy can spice things up.
> When book 7 comes out if millions of people are not shocked and
> outraged by it then JKR is not doing her job.
>
> On a different subject, I read a news report that they've cast
> somebody to play the part of James Potter, I haven't seen a
> confirmation and I hope it's untrue. The obvious person for the part
> is Dan Radcliffe, if he's up to the challenge.
>

kchuplis:

They have. James doesn't look exactly like Harry. It would be a  
mistake IMO to have Dan do it.

I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA and I really don't know  
what people are worried about with Dan's acting in capslock mode. If  
you ask me, there is the precursor of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and  
he's fine. 
  



From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  1 20:50:49 2006
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:50:49 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
In-Reply-To: <374EB20F-D59C-4E77-81E9-253F75F40C2D@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <e0mp39+mbrp@eGroups.com>

 Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:

> James doesn't look exactly like Harry. 

Maybe James doesn't look EXACTLY like Harry but it's pretty darn
close. Give Dan some contacts to change his eye color, get rid of the
glasses and the scar and you've got James. I'm still not certain this
won't happen, the IMDB still doesn't list an actor for a young James
and that's a good sign.
 
> It would be a mistake IMO to have Dan do it.

I don't see why, unless Dan just wasn't up for it. Perhaps he's been
playing Harry for so long he just couldn't handle a character with a
very different personality.

> I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA 
> and I really don't know what people are
> worried about with Dan's acting in capslock
> mode. If you ask me, there is the precursor
> of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and
he's fine.

Yes I agree and that is encouraging, but in the confrontation scene in
Dumbledore's office Dan's got to go much further and pull out all the
stops; Dan's got to make Harry become downright scary! I want people
who haven't read the book to think, at least for an instant, that
Harry is about to knock Dumbledore's block off and embrace the dark
side. I believe that scene is the single most important one in the
entire book and I hope the movie people treat it with respect.

Eggplant  
 








From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Apr  1 22:00:46 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:00:46 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
In-Reply-To: <e0mqrd+2h6l@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0mt6e+a1dm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107@> 
> wrote:
> >
> >  Karen <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > 
> > > James doesn't look exactly like Harry. 
> > 
> > Maybe James doesn't look EXACTLY like Harry but it's pretty darn
> > close. Give Dan some contacts to change his eye color, get rid 
of 
> the
> > glasses and the scar and you've got James. I'm still not certain 
> this
> > won't happen, the IMDB still doesn't list an actor for a young 
> James
> > and that's a good sign.
> >  
> > > It would be a mistake IMO to have Dan do it.
> > 
> > I don't see why, unless Dan just wasn't up for it. Perhaps he's 
> been
> > playing Harry for so long he just couldn't handle a character 
with 
> a
> > very different personality.
> 
> 
> Hi, Jen D. here,
> I don't think the movie people would consider casting Dan to play 
> duel roles. That has something of the "side-show" about it, like 
> Elizabeth Montgomery playing Samantha and Sarina. It would take 
away 
> the focus on the story and that wouldn't be good. If these movies 
> weren't hits, you'd expect them to pull out a gimmick like that, 
> just to get people in the seats. Or a little brother for Harry, 
you 
> know the sctick. And Dan has his whole life ahead of him to prove 
> he's a fine actor. He doesn't need duel roles just yet. I am not 
> saying he couldn't do it, that he wouldn't be marvelous. Just that 
> it doesn't serve any purpose just now.
> 
> > 
> > > I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA 
> > > and I really don't know what people are
> > > worried about with Dan's acting in capslock
> > > mode. If you ask me, there is the precursor
> > > of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and
> > he's fine.
> > 
> 
> > Yes I agree and that is encouraging, but in the confrontation 
> scene in
> > Dumbledore's office Dan's got to go much further and pull out 
all 
> the
> > stops; Dan's got to make Harry become downright scary! I want 
> people
> > who haven't read the book to think, at least for an instant, that
> > Harry is about to knock Dumbledore's block off and embrace the 
dark
> > side. I believe that scene is the single most important one in 
the
> > entire book and I hope the movie people treat it with respect.
> > 
> > Eggplant
> 
> Jen again,
> As much as I am with you on the debriefing scene, how it should be 
> played, I don't have a lot of faith that the screenwriters will 
see 
> everything our way. There are plenty of examples of things I just 
> couldn't believe didn't make it into the films. I will say that I 
> don't believe any scene (except Shreiking Shack perhaps...) as 
> important as the debriefing has been left out (or so badly 
> truncated). So my fingers are crossed but I have learned to say 
over 
> and over "It doesn't matter, it's still a good film." Let's hope 
> that the over-the-top reaction by CAPSLOCK Harry is a priority to 
> the movie guys...
> Jen D.
> >
>







From rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com  Sat Apr  1 23:23:39 2006
From: rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com (Robin)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:23:39 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
References: <e0m6dk+tuvm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002801c655e3$4f6fec30$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>


  <<<On a different subject, I read a news report that they've cast
  somebody to play the part of James Potter, I haven't seen a
  confirmation and I hope it's untrue. The obvious person for the part
  is Dan Radcliffe, if he's up to the challenge.>>>
  I'm assuming you're meaning the part of young James Potter. :)  I never thought about that - having Dan play him.  I don't see why it would be a bad idea - surely makeup and hairstylists could do a lot with him to make him look more than James than Harry.  What with their being close to the same age (Harry and young James); I think it would be a nice challenge for Dan - going from playing not arrogant Harry Potter to playing an arrogant James Potter.  I do like that challenge.  Now whether it will happen who knows. It wouldn't be bad if they did find somebody else for the part, but it is an interesting concept.  It's not like it would be duel role throughout the movie.  It's only one scene; the pensive scene.  I would enjoy seeing how Dan would portray James.

  Robin 





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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  2 06:44:01 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:44:01 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry - Dan =James&Harry
In-Reply-To: <002801c655e3$4f6fec30$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <e0nrrh+re6b@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Robin" <rgrimes1979 at ...> wrote:
> >... somebody to play the part of James Potter, .... The obvious 
> >person for the part is Dan Radcliffe, if he's up to the 
> > challenge.>>>

> Robin:
>
>  I'm assuming you're meaning the part of young James Potter. 
> :)... surely makeup and hairstylists could do a lot with him to
>  make him look more than James than Harry.  ...I think it would 
> be a nice challenge for Dan - ...  I would enjoy seeing how Dan 
> would portray James.
> 
>   Robin 

bboyminn:

I'm going to have to agree. When the books make Harry and James sound
so much alike at that age, I can't imagine why they would have anyone
but Dan play the part. I further agree that it would be a wonderful
break from playing Harry, and let Dan stretch his acting legs (so to
speak). 

Dan's Hair is already shorter than previous movies, so they are either
going for a different look for Harry, or Dan will wear a Harry Potter
wig much as Draco/Tom wears a Draco wig. That would give them the
perfect opportunity to present Dan as James with a different hair style. 

Different Hair, different attitude, maybe a prosthetic nose, colored
eye contacts, etc.... I think they should have no problem making Dan
look sufficiently different, yet amazingly the same. 

Not only does that scene in the pensieve say that James looks like
Harry, but in every book Harry is constantly reminded that he looks
just like his father, but he has his mother's eyes. 

So, I really think, this would be the perfect part for Dan. The scene
would be a bit more difficult to shoot, but no harder than other
special effect scenes.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn






From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Apr  2 14:51:56 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:51:56 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry
In-Reply-To: <e0mt6e+a1dm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0ooec+on7s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >  Karen <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > James doesn't look exactly like Harry. 
> > > 
> > > Maybe James doesn't look EXACTLY like Harry but it's pretty 
darn
> > > close. Give Dan some contacts to change his eye color, get rid 
> of 
> > the
> > > glasses and the scar and you've got James. I'm still not 
certain 
> > this
> > > won't happen, the IMDB still doesn't list an actor for a young 
> > James
> > > and that's a good sign.
> > >  
> > > > It would be a mistake IMO to have Dan do it.
> > > 
> > > I don't see why, unless Dan just wasn't up for it. Perhaps 
he's 
> > been
> > > playing Harry for so long he just couldn't handle a character 
> with 
> > a
> > > very different personality.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, Jen D. here,
> > I don't think the movie people would consider casting Dan to 
play 
> > duel roles. That has something of the "side-show" about it, like 
> > Elizabeth Montgomery playing Samantha and Sarina. It would take 
> away 
> > the focus on the story and that wouldn't be good. If these 
movies 
> > weren't hits, you'd expect them to pull out a gimmick like that, 
> > just to get people in the seats. Or a little brother for Harry, 
> you 
> > know the shctick. And Dan has his whole life ahead of him to 
prove 
> > he's a fine actor. He doesn't need duel roles just yet. I am not 
> > saying he couldn't do it, that he wouldn't be marvelous. Just 
that 
> > it doesn't serve any purpose just now.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA 
> > > > and I really don't know what people are
> > > > worried about with Dan's acting in capslock
> > > > mode. If you ask me, there is the precursor
> > > > of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and
> > > he's fine.
> > > 
> > 
> > > Yes I agree and that is encouraging, but in the confrontation 
> > scene in
> > > Dumbledore's office Dan's got to go much further and pull out 
> all 
> > the
> > > stops; Dan's got to make Harry become downright scary! I want 
> > people
> > > who haven't read the book to think, at least for an instant, 
that
> > > Harry is about to knock Dumbledore's block off and embrace the 
> dark
> > > side. I believe that scene is the single most important one in 
> the
> > > entire book and I hope the movie people treat it with respect.
> > > 
> > > Eggplant
> > 
> > Jen again,
> > As much as I am with you on the debriefing scene, how it should 
be 
> > played, I don't have a lot of faith that the screenwriters will 
> see 
> > everything our way. There are plenty of examples of things I 
just 
> > couldn't believe didn't make it into the films. I will say that 
I 
> > don't believe any scene (except Shreiking Shack perhaps...) as 
> > important as the debriefing has been left out (or so badly 
> > truncated). So my fingers are crossed but I have learned to say 
> over 
> > and over "It doesn't matter, it's still a good film." Let's hope 
> > that the over-the-top reaction by CAPSLOCK Harry is a priority 
to 
> > the movie guys...
> > Jen D.
> > >
> >
>







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Apr  2 20:57:30 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:57:30 -0500
Subject: Thestral design
Message-ID: <F8207AC6-C6A0-49B2-BABE-835B28B8BF0E@alltel.net>

I can only hope that they do something like this. Paint 'em black and  
add wings. These are simply astounding and I immediately thought of  
JKR's thestrals. I wonder if she has been to this woman's studio.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/79374782 at N00/sets/72057594097011138/

(run the slide show for best effect)



From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Apr  3 00:24:16 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:24:16 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan = James & Harry
Message-ID: <110.5d162ae7.3161c530@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 4/2/2006 3:18:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

bboyminn:

I'm going to have to agree. When the books make Harry  and James sound
so much alike at that age, I can't imagine why they would  have anyone
but Dan play the part. I further agree that it would be a  wonderful
break from playing Harry, and let Dan stretch his acting legs (so  to
speak). 

Dan's Hair is already shorter than previous movies, so  they are either
going for a different look for Harry, or Dan will wear a  Harry Potter
wig much as Draco/Tom wears a Draco wig. That would give them  the
perfect opportunity to present Dan as James with a different hair  style. 

Different Hair, different attitude, maybe a prosthetic nose,  colored
eye contacts, etc.... I think they should have no problem making  Dan
look sufficiently different, yet amazingly the same.  


Dan's hair is short because he cut it off last summer to do  "December Boys 
(which filmed in the fall, but he went to Australia in July,  probably to read 
for it).  It gives him a really different look.   There are December Boys 
photos on Danradcliffe.com and Danradcliffe.co.uk.   His hair seems to be about 
the length it was for PoA, maybe a tiny bit  shorter.  I imagine they're doing 
his hair PoA style for OoP.  I  suppose the movie people don't think Harry 
needs a fringe to "flatten" when he  wants to hide his identity, the way he did in 
canon.  
 
I said a long time ago on here that I'd love to see Dan play  both parts - 
I'm sure he has it in him!  However, he seems unable to wear  contacts (which is 
why they don't show him with green eyes -- I suspect he has  some allergies, 
which would explain why they didn't dye his hair black either,  when they dye 
Emma's and the twins' hair and bleach Tom's all the time).   The GoF behind 
the scenes (on the DVD) stuff shows him wearing glasses when he's  being tutored 
(sitting next to "Padma") and a recent candid of him shows him  with silver 
glasses in his hand - I suspect he's nearsighted.  But he could  wear one 
contact to correct for that and not need glasses (I did that for years,  so I know 
it's possible).  So he must not be able to wear contacts.   Many people can't. 
 And he wouldn't need a prosthetic nose if Harry "looks  just like his 
father" as everyone says.
 
Anyway, an actor has been cast to play James in the flashback  scene.  I 
don't remember his name, but it was listed on Leaky a couple of  months ago when 
they listed who was playing the young Lily, young Snape,  etc.  So there's no 
point in worrying about how Dan would do - he won't get  the chance THIS time.  
But whenever he does get such a chance, I'm sure  he'll do a wonderful job
 

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/



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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  3 13:10:55 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan = James & Harry
In-Reply-To: <110.5d162ae7.3161c530@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060403131055.34215.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



artsylynda at aol.com wrote:     
  

First off, bboyminn:
 
 I'm going to have to agree. When the books make Harry  and James sound so much alike at that age, I can't imagine why they would  have anyone but Dan play the part. 
[followed by ruthless snipping]

Artslynda continued:

[preceded by more ruthless snipping]

I said a long time ago on here that I'd love to see Dan play  both parts - I'm sure he has it in him!  However, he seems unable to wear  contacts (which is why they don't show him with green eyes -- I suspect he has  some allergies, which would explain why they didn't dye his hair black either,  when they dye  Emma's and the twins' hair and bleach Tom's all the time).   

[being snippy again here]

Anyway, an actor has been cast to play James in the flashback  scene.  I don't remember his name, but it was listed on Leaky a  couple of  months ago when they listed who was playing the young Lily, young Snape,  etc.  So there's no point in worrying about how Dan would do - he won't get  the chance THIS time.  But whenever he does get such a chance, I'm sure  he'll do a wonderful job
  akh speculates:

It may not be as much a matter of talent as of time.  I heard that Dan wants to keep his school hours to study for his E levels (is that right, UK folks?), so he'd still have only about four hours per day to shoot.  Given that he's in virtually every scene, it might extend an already lengthy shoot to have him do a scene they could shoot concurrently with different actors.

akh, who also thought it would be quite fun to see Dan play James...

		
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Apr  3 15:20:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:20:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan = James & Harry
References: <20060403131055.34215.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008101c65732$12ccc9b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I think there is another good reason to cast someone else - the books stress
how Harry IS NOT James. Very often, when we say "you look just like your
dad", we look similar, but what is really striking are facial expressions,
small idiosyncratic movements the "way" a person is, rather than looking
like a carbon copy. For me, it just keeps it more real than what usually
amounts (for me) pulling a nifty fx stunt, which is almost always how I see
it when an actor does a double role. Maybe it is just my pet peeve. It's too
"kitschy" or something.

kchuplis





From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Apr  3 22:07:04 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:07:04 -0000
Subject: Dan = James & Harry
In-Reply-To: <008101c65732$12ccc9b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e0s6a8+qc2q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I think there is another good reason to cast someone else - the 
books stress
> how Harry IS NOT James. Very often, when we say "you look just 
like your
> dad", we look similar, but what is really striking are facial 
expressions,
> small idiosyncratic movements the "way" a person is, rather than 
looking
> like a carbon copy. For me, it just keeps it more real than what 
usually
> amounts (for me) pulling a nifty fx stunt, which is almost always 
how I see
> it when an actor does a double role. Maybe it is just my pet 
peeve. It's too
> "kitschy" or something.
> 
> kchuplis

Hi Karen,
I totally agree that a dual role seems like a gimmick. I also think 
you have a good point that Dan has many fish to fry, and a dual role 
wouldn't be possible given the time constraints. We will get a 
glimpse of what Dan can do outside of Harry pretty soon. I 
think "The December Boys" will be an exciting example of his acting 
abilities and look forward to it. I understand he won't be a 
sympathetic character. I hope we are ready for Dan playing someone 
not as likeable as Harry. A lot less likeable, I mean to say. 
Jen D.
>







From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon Apr  3 23:39:22 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:39:22 -0000
Subject: Dan = James & Harry & December Boys
In-Reply-To: <e0s6a8+qc2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0sbna+fpec@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >
> > I think there is another good reason to cast someone else - the 
> books stress
> > how Harry IS NOT James. Very often, when we say "you look just 
> like your
> > dad", we look similar, but what is really striking are facial 
> expressions,
> > small idiosyncratic movements the "way" a person is, rather than 
> looking
> > like a carbon copy. For me, it just keeps it more real than what 
> usually
> > amounts (for me) pulling a nifty fx stunt, which is almost 
always 
> how I see
> > it when an actor does a double role. Maybe it is just my pet 
> peeve. It's too
> > "kitschy" or something.
> > 
> > kchuplis
> 
> Hi Karen,
> I totally agree that a dual role seems like a gimmick. I also 
think 
> you have a good point that Dan has many fish to fry, and a dual 
role 
> wouldn't be possible given the time constraints. We will get a 
> glimpse of what Dan can do outside of Harry pretty soon. I 
> think "The December Boys" will be an exciting example of his 
acting 
> abilities and look forward to it. I understand he won't be a 
> sympathetic character. I hope we are ready for Dan playing someone 
> not as likeable as Harry. A lot less likeable, I mean to say. 
> Jen D.
> >
>Hi, Jen:
I know this is drifting a little bit off HP topic, but where did you 
hear or read that Dan's character in December Boys is not likeable 
or sympathetic? It's not that I don't believe you, but more because 
I haven't heard this before.
As far as Dan playing James, it would have been rather nice... not 
because I think Dan needs to prove that he can act (he is an 
extremely talented young actor, in my opinion), but because it would 
have been interesting to see his take on the other character. 
Nicole








From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Apr  3 23:56:16 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:56:16 -0000
Subject: Dan = James & Harry & December Boys
In-Reply-To: <e0sbna+fpec@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0scn0+7v48@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at ...> wrote:
>> >Hi, Jen:
> I know this is drifting a little bit off HP topic, but where did you 
> hear or read that Dan's character in December Boys is not likeable 
> or sympathetic? It's not that I don't believe you, but more because 
> I haven't heard this before.
> As far as Dan playing James, it would have been rather nice... not 
> because I think Dan needs to prove that he can act (he is an 
> extremely talented young actor, in my opinion), but because it would 
> have been interesting to see his take on the other character. 
> Nicole

Hi Nicole,
A couple of months back when Dan was in Australia, I was reading 
the "Dan fansites" pretty regularly (not lately though) and I can't 
put my finger on where I read it but the info was about the plot 
of "December Boys." Apparently the storyline (anyone who has the time 
to look at fansites these days or already knows what I am talking 
about feel free to fill in the blanks...) is about several orphans 
vying to be adopted. Dan's character being one of the older boys has 
sharply lessened chances and there is some kind of conflict. I am not 
saying he's an axe murderer, Nicole, just that this character seems to 
have more shadings of gray than the totally, wonderfully, sympathetic 
Harry. 
I will take a stab at finding some basis for what I remember. 
Jen D.
>








From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  4 01:57:41 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1453
In-Reply-To: <1143921444.832.68525.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060404015741.33583.qmail@web60925.mail.yahoo.com>



kchuplis:

I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA and I really don't know 
what people are worried about with Dan's acting in capslock mode. If 
you ask me, there is the precursor of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and 
he's fine. 



I SO agree with you.  I so totally saw it all through Prisoner actually, remember the shreking shack too?  And think, Dan was alot younger than.  He's grown as an actor so i'm really excited about what he'll bring to Order.


peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  4 02:37:10 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:37:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dan = James & Harry
In-Reply-To: <1144091265.1615.49988.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060404023710.74482.qmail@web60913.mail.yahoo.com>


  
Message: 4 
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:20:00 -0500
From: "Karen" 
Subject: Re: Dan = James & Harry

I think there is another good reason to cast someone else - the books stress
how Harry IS NOT James. Very often, when we say "you look just like your
dad", we look similar, but what is really striking are facial expressions,
small idiosyncratic movements the "way" a person is, rather than looking
like a carbon copy. For me, it just keeps it more real than what usually
amounts (for me) pulling a nifty fx stunt, which is almost always how I see
it when an actor does a double role. Maybe it is just my pet peeve. It's too
"kitschy" or something.

kchuplis




I also have no interest in seeing Dan play both Harry and James.  I was just excited to know that an actor had been cast in the role which meant the scene would be in there.  But i find myself, while watching the other 4 movies, to really love hearing or seeing images of his parents, because it's so important to Harry and i have a tendancy to get really involved in movies i love.  so to see Dan looking at Dan, sorry Harry looking at a twin James, just would sorta lose something for me.


peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Tue Apr  4 20:24:53 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 16:24:53 -0400
Subject: Digest Number 1453
In-Reply-To: <1144178525.512.88637.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1144178525.512.88637.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C8263CF70A4B7D-A2C-47EA@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com>

kchuplis:

I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA and I really don't know 
what people are worried about with Dan's acting in capslock mode. If 
you ask me, there is the precursor of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there and 
he's fine. 

 
Jade:
 
I agree! I would be rather disappointed if the CAPSLOCK!Harry is dismissed during Harry's rant with Dumbledore in the end. It's all of his frustrations, terror, sadness, anger all finally coming out. He's kept it locked in pretty much until that point. And there was no one else better for that scene than with Dumbledore. PoA is a good argumentive case in that we see a glimpse of Dan protraying that level of anger. I see no reason not to include this vital emotional side of Harry in OOTP.


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From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Apr  4 20:41:11 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:41:11 -0000
Subject: CAPSLOCK! Harry 4-ever!
In-Reply-To: <8C8263CF70A4B7D-A2C-47EA@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <e0ull7+c69j@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, dragonjcndm2 at ... wrote:
>
> kchuplis:
> 
> I was just rewatching the beginning of PoA and I really don't know 
> what people are worried about with Dan's acting in capslock mode. 
If 
> you ask me, there is the precursor of CAPSLOCK!Harry right there 
and 
> he's fine. 
> 
>  
> Jade:
>  
> I agree! I would be rather disappointed if the CAPSLOCK!Harry is 
dismissed during Harry's rant with Dumbledore in the end. It's all 
of his frustrations, terror, sadness, anger all finally coming out. 
He's kept it locked in pretty much until that point. And there was 
no one else better for that scene than with Dumbledore. PoA is a 
good argumentive case in that we see a glimpse of Dan protraying 
that level of anger. I see no reason not to include this vital 
emotional side of Harry in OOTP.
> 
> 
Hi Jade, 
Just a moment of clarification. Some of us opined that full-on 
CAPSLOCK!Harry might not be attractive to a non-rabid HP fan. And 
that WB might tone him down. Steve (bboymn) wrote a very good post a 
few days ago about how Harry could be emphatic without shouting all 
the time. As far as I know, no one knows how Dan will play his Harry 
in OOTP and no one on this list has suggested Dan not play Harry as 
fully emotional and angry and wounded and hurt as he is comfortable 
doing. Since, as Karen pointed out above, it seems Dan is good with 
righteous anger, it's a fair bet we'll see some CAPSLOCK! but how 
much, that's the question. 
Jen D. 
>







From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Apr  4 21:55:02 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:55:02 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <e0upvm+tmg0@eGroups.com>

I'm slowly learning the strange language some people write in here but
there's one very regular expression that baffles me - what IS this
about "CAPSLOCK!"??






From emrsing at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  4 22:33:56 2006
From: emrsing at yahoo.com (Beth MotherBear)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <e0upvm+tmg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060404223356.36729.qmail@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I puzzled over that one for a bit myself.  In computer terms, when you write a message in all CAPS, it is the equivalent of yelling.  Therefore, referring to Harry as CAPSLOCK--would indicate that he is angry and yelling all the time because his CAPSLOCK is on.  Weird, huh?  But, seeing how angry Harry is throughout much of OoP it does seem appropriate.
   
  Hope that helps.
  emrsing

joxy <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
  I'm slowly learning the strange language some people write in here but
there's one very regular expression that baffles me - what IS this
about "CAPSLOCK!"??





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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Apr  4 22:36:07 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:36:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] CAPSLOCK!
In-Reply-To: <e0upvm+tmg0@eGroups.com>
References: <e0upvm+tmg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BB4811F5-5F76-4015-B326-1CB77AFAF033@alltel.net>


On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:55 PM, joxy wrote:

> I'm slowly learning the strange language some people write in here but
> there's one very regular expression that baffles me - what IS this
> about "CAPSLOCK!"??
>

kchuplis:

Just a way to describe Harry's frame of mind through much of OoTP,  
since a great deal of dialogue is pretty much shouted (and denoted in  
all caps) through the beginning and end of OoTP.



From gloworm419 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  4 22:04:34 2006
From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (Gloria R. Hernon)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:04:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "CAPSLOCK!"
In-Reply-To: <e0upvm+tmg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060404220434.55009.qmail@web50403.mail.yahoo.com>

-- joxy <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm slowly learning the strange language some people
> write in here but there's one very regular expression 
> that baffles me - what IS this about "CAPSLOCK!"??

Gloria:
It means that you're yelling when using the caps.






From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Apr  4 23:00:40 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:00:40 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] December Boys
Message-ID: <31b.1c54be4.31645498@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 4/4/2006 3:25:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I  
think "The December Boys" will be an exciting example of his acting  
abilities and look forward to it. I understand he won't be a  
sympathetic character. I hope we are ready for Dan playing someone 
not  as likeable as Harry. A lot less likeable, I mean to say. 
Jen  D.
>


Where did you hear that his character isn't "likeable"?  I  haven't heard 
much about his character except that he has a love affair (yikes -  if that's 
true, then Dan had no reason to be nervous about kissing Cho Chang!  LOL!) and 
competes with the other boys to be adopted.  I'm looking forward  to the film 
too, but haven't seen that much info about it.  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Wed Apr  5 23:53:50 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:53:50 -0400
Subject: CAPSLOCK! Harry 4-ever!
In-Reply-To: <1144263608.1547.45078.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1144263608.1547.45078.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C827235267A5A7-1C14-3A6F@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Jade, 
Just a moment of clarification. Some of us opined that full-on 
CAPSLOCK!Harry might not be attractive to a non-rabid HP fan. And 
that WB might tone him down. Steve (bboymn) wrote a very good post a 
few days ago about how Harry could be emphatic without shouting all 
the time. As far as I know, no one knows how Dan will play his Harry 
in OOTP and no one on this list has suggested Dan not play Harry as 
fully emotional and angry and wounded and hurt as he is comfortable 
doing. Since, as Karen pointed out above, it seems Dan is good with 
righteous anger, it's a fair bet we'll see some CAPSLOCK! but how 
much, that's the question. 
Jen D. 
 
 
Right. We won't know until the film. It's just that it I really liked the onslaught of Harry in the book. He wasn't shouting all the time. He did throw a few things. It was just a point that I was waiting to see finally. The point where Harry finally lets it all out. I can agree to tone it down for the film, but I just don't want that main reasoning missed. So here's hoping!
 
Jade


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From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu Apr  6 00:09:49 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:09:49 -0000
Subject: OOTP news!
Message-ID: <e11m8d+ltkf@eGroups.com>

WB has just confirmed that OOTP will be released on July 13th, 2007!
Nicole






From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Apr  6 02:16:15 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:16:15 -0000
Subject: CAPSLOCK! Harry 4-ever!
In-Reply-To: <8C827235267A5A7-1C14-3A6F@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <e11tlf+rueb@eGroups.com>

>  
> Right. We won't know until the film. It's just that it I really 
liked the onslaught of Harry in the book. He wasn't shouting all the 
time. He did throw a few things. It was just a point that I was 
waiting to see finally. The point where Harry finally lets it all 
out. I can agree to tone it down for the film, but I just don't want 
that main reasoning missed. So here's hoping!
>  
> Jade
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I think you speak for all of us, that it's important for the 
emotional punch of OOTP to be presented as true to the book as 
possible. After all, it was torture to get through, from one 
difficult event to the next. It taught Harry so much to go through 
so many horrible things and the emotional release of his outbursts 
seemed to give the reader vent for his feelings as well. The makers 
of GOF, having gotten very close with their efforts, it would seem 
to bode well for this book/film, or as you say "here's hoping."
Jen D. (really not wanting to miss the twins' escape from Hogwarts 
either!)







From big_sexy24 at excite.com  Thu Apr  6 23:23:16 2006
From: big_sexy24 at excite.com (Elaine)
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:23:16 -0000
Subject: Ok, I heard something
Message-ID: <e147t4+pbe1@eGroups.com>

Ok, I heard something the other day and I'm trying to figure out if 
it's true or not.  I heard that the cast and crew of OotP were 
striking because some genius writer is trying to have Remus kill off 
Sirius.  Is this a joke (I swear it was before April 1st) or is there 
any truth to the matter????










From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Apr  6 23:58:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:58:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Ok, I heard something
In-Reply-To: <e147t4+pbe1@eGroups.com>
References: <e147t4+pbe1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91469C56-2A9A-406E-900C-816937473E5A@alltel.net>

Haven't heard that one at all. Can pretty much tell you it would be  
"front page" news if it were true or even a strong rumor. Sounds like  
April fools to me.

On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Elaine wrote:

> Ok, I heard something the other day and I'm trying to figure out if
> it's true or not.  I heard that the cast and crew of OotP were
> striking because some genius writer is trying to have Remus kill off
> Sirius.  Is this a joke (I swear it was before April 1st) or is there
> any truth to the matter????
>
>



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 04:24:56 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:24:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thestral design
In-Reply-To: <F8207AC6-C6A0-49B2-BABE-835B28B8BF0E@alltel.net>
References: <F8207AC6-C6A0-49B2-BABE-835B28B8BF0E@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <bef6472dcd41e105a89572034765cd20@verizon.net>


On Apr 2, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Karen wrote:

> I can only hope that they do something like this. Paint 'em black and?
>  add wings. These are simply astounding and I immediately thought of?
>  JKR's thestrals. I wonder if she has been to this woman's studio.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79374782 at N00/sets/72057594097011138/

Those are incredibly awesome!! Amazing how graceful they are and how 
much personality she gets out of chunks of wood! You ought to e-mail 
the artist and tell her to contact Leavesden Studios for a consulting 
job!
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Apr  7 04:28:30 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:28:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan = James & Harry
In-Reply-To: <e0s6a8+qc2q@eGroups.com>
References: <e0s6a8+qc2q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <d845104c7f14f186038b63dbbf318800@verizon.net>

> We will get a
>  glimpse of what Dan can do outside of Harry pretty soon. I
>  think "The December Boys" will be an exciting example of his acting
>  abilities and look forward to it. I understand he won't be a
>  sympathetic character. I hope we are ready for Dan playing someone
>  not as likeable as Harry. A lot less likeable, I mean to say.
>  Jen D.
>
Anyone know if this is scheduled for release in the US? I'd love to see 
Dan play something else. I saw him in David Copperfield and he has 
matured so much as an actor since then.
Valerie


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From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  7 12:01:22 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:01:22 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <e15kai+vnvq@eGroups.com>

Thanks to those who explained the capslock thing.

Harry has as many moods as anyone else and I don't see the point of
singling out his shouting mood for distinction in this way!






From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Apr  9 11:40:11 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:40:11 -0000
Subject: CAPSLOCK! MOODS
In-Reply-To: <e15kai+vnvq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e1arqr+a39n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to those who explained the capslock thing.
> 
> Harry has as many moods as anyone else and I don't see the point of
> singling out his shouting mood for distinction in this way!
>
Hi there,
Did you notice in OOTP that Harry's words were sometimes in uppercase? 
Many times in fact, many more than we'd ever seen before. The CAPSLOCK 
mood seemed to define Harry in that book. He was transitioning from a 
child who'd been kept in the dark about his life, his future, to a 
young man who would be capable of handling the knowledge by the end of 
the book. This involved a good deal of anger and that anger was 
depicted by the uppercase letters. So no harm is meant by this 
distinction, just a short-hand way of referring to so many of the 
things Harry experienced and felt in OOTP.
Hope this is helpful.
jd 







From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Apr 10 16:28:38 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:28:38 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]December Boys
Message-ID: <2ee.543578c.316be1b6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/5/2006 3:01:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

>>Hi Lynda,
I went to IMDB to see if I could find a synopsis  of "DB" and it said 
that the 4 boys have all but given up on being adopted  and when they 
are taken to a seaside resort and told that a family wants  to adopt 
2 of the boys, competition arises, tension arises. I can not find  
where I read that said he would be less likeable than Harry and 
since  that is so I will retract my statement about likeability 
seeing as I can  not find where I read it, frustratingly enough. The 
most reliable thing I  can say is that this is a different role for 
Dan. Is that going too  far?
Jen D<<
 
Sorry for the late response - I was out of town on  business.
 
Yes, I know it's going to be a different kind of role for Dan and  I'm quite 
excited about it!  I haven't heard anything about the  "likeability" of the 
character, hence my question.  I think Maps (Dan's  character) will be pouring 
on the charm as much as possible in order to be the  one chosen for adoption - 
and he'll also be charming a girl in this flick, since  I read somewhere that 
he has "a love affair" (Yikes!) in it.  Wonder how  far they took THAT?!  I 
can't see him worrying about a screen kiss with Cho  Chang if he's had to act 
out a real love scene (that goes beyond a kiss) for  "December Boys."  Time will 
tell. . .
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Apr 10 18:56:47 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:56:47 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]December Boys
In-Reply-To: <2ee.543578c.316be1b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e1e9pg+atee@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
snipI think Maps (Dan's  character) will be pouring 
> on the charm as much as possible in order to be the  one chosen 
for adoption - 
> and he'll also be charming a girl in this flick, since  I read 
somewhere that 
> he has "a love affair" (Yikes!) in it.  Wonder how  far they took 
THAT?!  I 
> can't see him worrying about a screen kiss with Cho  Chang if he's 
had to act 
> out a real love scene (that goes beyond a kiss) for  "December 
Boys."  Time will 
> tell. . .
>  
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
> 
IIRC they said that scene isn't that steamy of a love scene but he 
did have to kiss Teresa (the girl who plays Lucy in December Boys). 
Dan mentioned being nervous about having to kiss her, as Teresa has 
a really big boyfriend. She is quite a pretty girl too. I didn't 
think he was nervous about kissing Katie in OotP. In the interview 
he seemed disappointed that they had to postpone the kiss due to him 
being ill and he said something like "she escaped but I'll get her". 
I thought that was cute. I really hope December Boys and Driving 
Lessons come to the states so we can see Dan and Rupert in a non-HP 
film. Too bad Emma hasn't done anything else. I would like to see 
her do a non-Hermione role. 

Theresa







From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 14:28:00 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:00 +0100
Subject: No subject
References: <e1arqr+a39n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002501c65d74$22cbaa00$0a00a8c0@h1>

Thanks jd; yes, I see the point now about the capslock thing.
I must add it to the short list of Ms Rowling's mannerisms of writing,
which irritate at first but, I suppose, become endearing with repetition!
Joxy









From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Apr 11 21:57:57 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:57:57 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1462
Message-ID: <2e1.5b2e9ad.316d8065@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:34:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

>>IIRC they said that scene isn't that steamy of a love scene but  he 
did have to kiss Teresa (the girl who plays Lucy in December Boys).  
Dan mentioned being nervous about having to kiss her, as Teresa has 
a  really big boyfriend. She is quite a pretty girl too. I didn't 
think he  was nervous about kissing Katie in OotP. In the interview 
he seemed  disappointed that they had to postpone the kiss due to him 
being ill and  he said something like "she escaped but I'll get her". 
I thought that was  cute. I really hope December Boys and Driving 
Lessons come to the states  so we can see Dan and Rupert in a non-HP 
film. Too bad Emma hasn't done  anything else. I would like to see 
her do a non-Hermione role.  

Theresa<<

Do you remember where you read that interview with those details  about 
December Boys?  I haven't read anything with that kind of  information.  As for 
Katie - I saw another interview with Dan where he said  he was worried about it 
because he'd have to do it in front of his parents, but  he was going to be 
very professional about it - and Emma said she was going to  laugh at him during 
it.  Maybe that was on the GoF DVD interviews?  I  haven't watched them for a 
while, but I think that's where I saw  that.
 
"Driving Lessons" is being screened at the Tribeca Film Festival in  NY and 
there are tickets available, according to Leaky.  They had a very  sweet scene 
online from it where Rupert is reading a love poem he wrote to this  haughty 
girl - bless him, he did a wonderful job of it, and he didn't seem at  all like 
Ron!  I'm looking forward to seeing it!


 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Apr 11 22:38:58 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:38:58 -0000
Subject: JKR's style
In-Reply-To: <002501c65d74$22cbaa00$0a00a8c0@h1>
Message-ID: <e1hb62+dooj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks jd; yes, I see the point now about the capslock thing.
> I must add it to the short list of Ms Rowling's mannerisms of 
writing,
> which irritate at first but, I suppose, become endearing with 
repetition!
> Joxy
>
Hi Joxy,
Yahoo-mort ate my first attempt at answering you but I am not giving 
up. 
Yes, the CAPSLOCK! mode does wear on one but fortunately it doesn't 
last long. By Book 6, Harry is back to his old self, a little older 
and a lot wiser. 

If you'd like to discuss JKR's style, her plotting, her quirks, the 
Main List would be a good place for that. They are always debating how 
she's going to do something or the other, what her style would dictate 
and so forth. And her quirks...
Give it a shot.
Jen D.








From Schlobin1 at aol.com  Thu Apr 13 02:48:48 2006
From: Schlobin1 at aol.com (susanmcgee48176)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:48:48 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dvcago+ns5a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e1ke6g+l04p@eGroups.com>


> 
> I like the film GoF a lot.  I think it could've been my all-time 
> favorite, if not for a few small changes I would've liked.  John 
> Williams as composer, as I've mentioned many times before (BTW- did 
> anyone think it curious that they used JW's compositions to narrate 
> the special features on the GoF DVD?!), that unclearness about 
> Snape's point that someone was stealing the ingredients for Polly 
> Juice Potion (was he saying that Harry or Neville stole Gillyweed 
> too?  Weird segway) (and BTW- did anyone feel that the line that 
> Snape says as he slams the door in Harry's face was inserted post-
> production?  It has a different quality of sound to his voice, and 
I 
> wondered if originally he said something else there, but they 
> decided to edit it.  Anyone else catch that?).  I don't really care 
> for the Bauxbatons and Durmstrang's entrances, though once I saw 
the 
> special features I realized all three schools had a chance 
> to "display their talents" and THANK GAWD we didn't really have to 
> sit through Hogwarts dreadful song.  They never did set Fleur up as 
> part Veela, did they?  I guess they won't even get into that. I 
> would've LOVED to have seen more of the QWC (maybe not so much the 
> Quidditch, but Harry & Ron being mesmerized by the Veelas sounded 
> hysterical).  And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed 
> over a bit.  Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.  I sure hope 
> so!!
>


What I REALLY missed in the film was all the sub-text/plot about 
Percy...I HATED the fact that Barty Crouch Senior was made to seem 
heroic and also destroyed by what happened with Junior.

The book's discussion of the personality and history of Barty Crouch 
Senior was one of the things that is brilliant about JKR's work. 
Someone can be on "our" side, but still do wrong things. 

Was anyone else disturbed by the tossing around of the small person 
in the film (during the Weird sisters song)?

Susan







From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 13 02:58:33 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:58:33 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
References: <e1ke6g+l04p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001001c65ea6$27a2f190$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

I thought it was an absolute RIOT to have Flitwick participate in a mosh pit! I didn't find it disturbing at all. Just a cute, funny way of making young witches and wizards seem even more like us Muggles.

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: susanmcgee48176 

  Was anyone else disturbed by the tossing around of the small person 
  in the film (during the Weird sisters song)?

  Susan

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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Thu Apr 13 04:38:13 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:38:13 -0000
Subject: Digest Number 1462
In-Reply-To: <2e1.5b2e9ad.316d8065@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e1kkjl+j3ss@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/11/2006 3:34:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> >>IIRC they said that scene isn't that steamy of a love scene but  
he 
> did have to kiss Teresa (the girl who plays Lucy in December 
Boys).  
> Dan mentioned being nervous about having to kiss her, as Teresa 
has 
> a  really big boyfriend. She is quite a pretty girl too. I didn't 
> think he  was nervous about kissing Katie in OotP. In the 
interview 
> he seemed  disappointed that they had to postpone the kiss due to 
him 
> being ill and  he said something like "she escaped but I'll get 
her". 
> I thought that was  cute. I really hope December Boys and Driving 
> Lessons come to the states  so we can see Dan and Rupert in a non-
HP 
> film. Too bad Emma hasn't done  anything else. I would like to see 
> her do a non-Hermione role.  
> 
> Theresa<<
> 
> Do you remember where you read that interview with those details  
about 
> December Boys?  I haven't read anything with that kind of  
information.  As for 
> Katie - I saw another interview with Dan where he said  he was 
worried about it 
> because he'd have to do it in front of his parents, but  he was 
going to be 
> very professional about it - and Emma said she was going to  laugh 
at him during 
> it.  Maybe that was on the GoF DVD interviews?  I  haven't watched 
them for a 
> while, but I think that's where I saw  that.
>  
> "Driving Lessons" is being screened at the Tribeca Film Festival 
in  NY and 
> there are tickets available, according to Leaky.  They had a very  
sweet scene 
> online from it where Rupert is reading a love poem he wrote to 
this  haughty 
> girl - bless him, he did a wonderful job of it, and he didn't seem 
at  all like 
> Ron!  I'm looking forward to seeing it!
> 
> 
>  
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"
> 
> Read my Harry Potter fics here:  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I think the December Boys comment was link of of The Leaky Cauldron 
or danradcliffe.com but I haven't found it yet. I know it was while 
he was filming the movie in Australia. Might have been from an 
Australian paper. 

The Katie comment was made on The Sunrise show (Australia) - here is 
that link: http://www.harrypotterfanzone.com/fusion//fullnews.php?
id=823

I am still puzzled by Emma's comment on this interview about Ron 
making a sexist comment. I have no idea what she means from the 
book. 

And I would love to see Rupert in Driving Lessons. Especially after 
that clip. What a mean girl calling Rupert weird. Of course that 
poem was a bit odd but it was sweet.

I will keep looking for the DB comment Dan made. They have a nice 
synopsis of the film on danradcliffe.com 
(http://www.danradcliffe.com/film_tv/film_decemberboys.html).

Dang it where is that other link....

Theresa






From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 16 05:05:17 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:05:17 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e0bovu+lq4s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e1sjad+ijfo@eGroups.com>

Lauren asked: [snip]

 Where did you get the idea that he barely won 
> the contract for the HP films?  I've never heard that, and given the 
> man's reputation, I would think that the producers would've surely 
> considered him a top contender, if not the only contender.  Who else 
> is more well-known than JW?
_________________________________

Sea Change replies:

I live in LA and we hear & read the scuttlebutt of 'the biz'-there was no idea to 'get'.   John 
Williams barely won the contract.  He was actually forced to submit a sample of music, 
which is normally not done at all at his level.  The contract was renewed for the next two 
films because he showed he could, if forced, actually do it in the first movie.   When I hear 
the next two movies, I hear an increase in major triads and much lush sandwiching, so 
much Lawrence Welk, that by movie three, I wanted to strangle the music editor who made 
the score so intrusively loud.

I wish I could hear whatever it is you are hearing in PoA.  I just played it a few days ago 
and am mystified as to what you could be referring to.  JW does a creditable job in the first 
movie.

______________________________________________ 

Lauren then broke the bad news:
> 
> Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid of JW 
> at all!  Welcome back, I say!

_______________________________

Sea Change responds:

Brrr!  Sorry to hear that.



Sea Change, who has lived on this planet long enough to know that 'well-known' is not the 
same as 'good'.








From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 16 05:27:37 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:27:37 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <312.15174d8.315b8109@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e1skk9+cc68@eGroups.com>

Sandy wrote:

[snip]. His compositions for HP are everything you 
> said, and I think they are beautiful. I did not buy the other two soundtracks 
> because they were repetitive of the first with only a couple of new scores for 
> the other two. [snip] 

___________________________________


Sea Change responds:

Yes, John Williams writes very tonally, and in much consonance with a passe style of 
orchestrated music for Western Civilization that held sway for about 150 years.  His music 
*is* beautiful.  There's nothing intrinsically 'wrong' with it.  I don't think his particular 
signature style was suitable for the 2nd and 3rd movies, and found it boring and bland.

I know you like his music.  Owning beautiful music is a really awesome thing, and this is 
very subjective and there's nothing wrong withh that....and I don't want you to think I am 
cherry-picking just because I don't think his music is suitable for Harry Potter, but I just 
can't help myself that right after you say it is beautiful we find out that:  

     It isn't interesting enough, and he didn't vary it enough, to make someone who likes his     
music buy another CD.


Sea Change, who thinks that the producers allowed him to 'phone it in', because he has a 
reputation






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 16 12:52:11 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:52:11 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e1skk9+cc68@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E1FV6jd-0003S7-5A@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sea Change
     It isn't interesting enough, and he didn't vary it enough, to make
someone who likes his     
music buy another CD.


Sea Change, who thinks that the producers allowed him to 'phone it in',
because he has a reputation


Sherry now:
Oh dear, liking or not liking a particular sound of a particular music is so
subjective, even more so than with books I think.  However, I think Williams
has written some of the most memorable and stirring movie music of our time.
I'm sure that almost anyone would recognize the first few notes of the Star
wars theme and be able to name that tune right away.  I always felt his
compositions fit whatever the theme of the movie was.  Star wars *was* 
Star Wars.  His superman theme was incredible and was exactly right for
someone who was saving the world on a regular basis.  The score for E.T. had
the perfect blend of simplicity and majesty to reflect the simplicity of
E.T. the character and the joy of the scenes like the flying bicycles and
E.T.'s final return to his people.

On the other hand, When a composer writes for a series of movies, I think it
makes sense for it to be repetitive.  After all, the movies have a theme
that is carried through the series, such as the Star wars movies, and the
music should continue its theme throughout the series with a few additions
to reflect new adventures.  In the original and prequel sets of Star Wars,
as in the HP movies, the series is one long story, and it makes sense to me
that the musical score should reflect it.  I just rented the DVD of the 3rd
prequel, and the music worked its magic on me as it always does.  In fact,
it was the best part of the movie!  yet, I wouldn't necessarily want to own
all six Star wars sound tracks.  I found the same to be true with the two
LOTR sound tracks I have.  Yet, I would buy CD's of Williams music that was
not for movies, if it existed, and I'd love a box set of John Williams movie
scores, for example.  I think it would be unsettling in a movie series to
have the music completely change for each segment of the series.

Didn't Williams get an Oscar for the first or second HP film score?  If so,
it wasn't a sympathy vote or anything, as he's won plenty of Oscars in the
past.

I liked his HP scores.  I thought the opening was perfect, and the music for
quidditch made me smile delightedly on my first hearing.  I liked Doyle's
music as well and thought it reflected the darkening trend of the stories
very well.  Still, I can't remember any of it at all.  It left no impression
on me after leaving the theater, except that I liked it.  well, I've rented
the DVD from Net Flix, and its sitting on my desk to be my reward for having
to work on Easter, so I'll get to hear it again.  But personally, I'm glad
to hear Williams will be back for the next installment, though I don't
intend to go see OOTP.  I could still get the sound track.

Sherry





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From Mhochberg at aol.com  Sun Apr 16 18:04:49 2006
From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:04:49 EDT
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
Message-ID: <327.2383d0d.3173e141@aol.com>

 
I'm glad to see this discussion. While not a music expert or even  
well-educated about music, as a movie viewer, I both like and dislike John  Williams' 
work.  
 
His original work is often great but I find his work repetitive, sometimes  
to the point of distraction. The first time I became aware of this was  when 
"Raiders of the Lost Ark" was released. In the scene where Indy is  mourning the 
"death" of Miriam, there is a sequence right out of Star Wars. It  was so 
clearly from elsewhere, that it snapped me right out of the movie. 
 
With Chamber of Secrets, there was little new material. If it weren't for  
Fawke's theme, I wouldn't have bought it. 
 

~~~Mary
"Man is complex - he makes deserts bloom and lakes die."  --Dr. Laurence J. 
Peter



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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Apr 16 18:59:40 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:59:40 -0000
Subject: Cryptic remark! (was: Bland John WIlliams)
In-Reply-To: <E1FV6jd-0003S7-5A@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e1u46s+b24h@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sherry Gomes" <sherriola at ...> 
wrote:
>Extensive snippage:
Sherry wrote:
  But personally, I'm glad
> to hear Williams will be back for the next installment, though I 
don't
> intend to go see OOTP.  I could still get the sound track.
> 
> Sherry
> 
> 
>Jen D. here,
Don't do this to me Sherry!  I can't resist responding to such a 
cryptic remark! Why won't you, or don't you intend to see OOTP? 
General disgust with the quality of the films so far? Protest over 
Sirius'death? Or a complete lack of interest in HP as a whole?
Tell me!
Jen D.







From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 16 20:45:21 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth L. Chase)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] John Williams
In-Reply-To: <1145209245.358.98186.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060416204521.42814.qmail@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Since we're discussing the movie music I have a question.  On the CofS soundtrack CD it says 'Music composed by John Williams,' followed by 'Music adapted . . . by William Ross.'   Exactly what does 'music adapted' mean and why would they do that?  All the others (except GofF of course) are 'composed and conducted by John Williams.'

      Lizzie Snape




		
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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 17 01:33:44 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1465
In-Reply-To: <1145209245.358.98186.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060417013344.30418.qmail@web60914.mail.yahoo.com>

>though I don't
>intend to go see OOTP.  I could still get the sound track.
>Sherry
   
  Hey Sherry, just curious, why don't you want to see Order? 



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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Apr 17 03:23:13 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:23:13 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1465
Message-ID: <3bb.3a2ff9.31746421@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/16/2006 1:42:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I  don't
intend to go see OOTP.


Sherry - why not??  I can't wait to see it - despite all the  problems with 
the films, they still capture a lot of the heart of the HP books,  and I love 
the cast in them.  I'm hoping we'll get to see some stills from  it soon (but I 
know that's dreaming!)
 
And as for your John Williams discussion - I thought the music in  GoF was 
nice and fairly appropriate and none of it was memorable (well, except  for that 
"Do the Hippogriff" song which was interesting because of its very  
difference - but I don't go around humming it as I do the JW themes from the  earlier 
films).   JW writes in the great orchestral tradition, yup,  and there's not a 
thing wrong with that.  His "Superman," "Star Wars," "ET"  - and he did 
Indiana Jones' music too, right? - those are all filled with  powerful, memorable 
music.  We listen to sound tracks of JW's music a  lot.  Great music to drive to 
on long trips - very uplifting!   

Seachange - sounds like you may be in the industry.  I know a lot  of things 
go on behind the scenes that the rest of us don't hear about, but  perhaps JW 
wasn't "auditioning" so much as offering an idea of what he thought  he might 
do for the main themes?  I can see the producers asking for that  kind of 
thing.  But I'm not in the industry, just an interested observer. .  .
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 17 18:55:12 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:55:12 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e1sjad+ijfo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e20oag+kai9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sea Change" <nakedkali at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Lauren asked: [snip]
> 
>  Where did you get the idea that he barely won 
> > the contract for the HP films?  I've never heard that, and given 
the 
> > man's reputation, I would think that the producers would've 
surely 
> > considered him a top contender, if not the only contender.  Who 
else 
> > is more well-known than JW?
> _________________________________
> 
> Sea Change replies:
> 
> I live in LA and we hear & read the scuttlebutt of 'the biz'-there 
was no idea to 'get'.   John 
> Williams barely won the contract.  He was actually forced to 
submit a sample of music, 
> which is normally not done at all at his level.  The contract was 
renewed for the next two 
> films because he showed he could, if forced, actually do it in the 
first movie.   When I hear 
> the next two movies, I hear an increase in major triads and much 
lush sandwiching, so 
> much Lawrence Welk, that by movie three, I wanted to strangle the 
music editor who made 
> the score so intrusively loud.
> 
> I wish I could hear whatever it is you are hearing in PoA.  I just 
played it a few days ago 
> and am mystified as to what you could be referring to.  JW does a 
creditable job in the first 
> movie.
> 
> ______________________________________________ 
> 
> Lauren then broke the bad news:
> > 
> > Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid 
of JW 
> > at all!  Welcome back, I say!
> 
> _______________________________
> 
> Sea Change responds:
> 
> Brrr!  Sorry to hear that.
> 
> 
> 
> Sea Change, who has lived on this planet long enough to know 
that 'well-known' is not the 
> same as 'good'.


Hi Sea Change (and everyone else),

I have just read some distressing news (to me, anyway!).  According 
to Mugglenet, IMDB now lists Dario Marianelli as the composer for 
OoTP.  I'm sure those of you who are complaining about JW being 
bland and boring will be happy, though there is no confirmation on 
this from WB as of yet.  

Anyway Sea Change, I can't be sure if I've lived on this planet as 
long as you have, but I do understand that well-known doesn't equal 
good.  Though, I feel that the reason JW is so well-known happens to 
be because he is pretty good at what he does.  He composes music for 
movies.  I think this is definitely a different thing than if you 
are composing musical pieces to be enjoyed without a visual 
dialogue.  It is meant to reinforce a feeling or mood.  And the 
music itself may seem repetitive from movie to movie, but that is 
because there are certain themes that JW has developed to tie into a 
certain mood or character, just as certain characters or moods can 
be repeated throughout these films.  When I review a movie's 
soundtrack, I ask two questions: How well does the music fit and 
enhance the film? How will does the music stand alone, separate from 
the film? As to the first question, this soundtrack fits and 
enhances its film as well as any. The scene-to-scene transitions of 
the music are never jarring. As to the second question, most 
soundtracks sound a bit disjointed when heard away from their 
movies.  I don't think PoA is disjointed as much as GoF is.  I don't 
enjoy GoF on it's own at all.  It's ok for the movie, sort of flat 
and empty, but the movie is so good, I barely pay attention.

I will use the PoA soundtrack for all of my examples, because not 
only is it my favorite and most familiar to me, but it's also 
playing in my iPod right now!  Take Hedwig's Theme for instance...  
How many people (no matter how they feel about the music for the 
rest of GoF, and JW not composing for it) were surprised (if not 
slightly disapointed) to hear something other than the familiar 
notes of this theme?  By putting it in the beginning of each film, 
it is like a "doorbell".  It welcomes us back to Harry's world.  It 
may be repetitive, but it's part of what I've come to expect and 
love about these films. 

My most favorite composition is (of course) from the PoA soundtrack- 
A Window To The Past.  First, the lone flute brings you to a 
introspective sad place, like Harry missing his parents and thinking 
deeply about his past, and eventually it builds into a glorious 
uplifting triumphant masterpiece.  It reminds me of James Horner's 
themes from his Braveheart soundtrack.

I also adore Aunt Marge's Waltz.  It it light (like Aunt Marge 
becomes as she's blowing up) and I especially enjoy the staccato 
notes interchanged with the lolling legato ones.  As a trumpet 
player, I love the crispness.

Also, I really love Hagrid the Professor too.  (I think it's the 
trumpet player in me).  The beginning reminds me of playing in brass 
band for Christmastime.  It's just used as a segway piece in the 
movie, but it's a great example of a piece that can stand on its own.

I know JW has a reputation for being "boisterous", but I like loud 
when it's appropriate.  And for the record, I like Lawrence Welk too.








From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Apr 17 19:51:41 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:51:41 -0000
Subject: Bland John Williams
In-Reply-To: <e20oag+kai9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e20rkd+fhtj@eGroups.com>

Well, I wasn't going to pipe in but this has definitely pulled me 
out of lurkdom.

I grew up playing a musical instrument and even took a stab at 
orchestrating a piece of piano music for a full band (from brass to 
woodwinds to percussion - toughest part for me) and though it was 
put on the back burner as a hobby I still love going to the symphony 
or musicals and going to the theater was a MUST when I went on a 
trip to London a few years back. Anyway, I once had the opportunity 
to see John Williams conduct the Boston Pops - he was the main 
reason I went because I absolutely loved his work on many movies I 
had seen. I was not disappointed. They were wonderful. I personally 
think he is a great composer - he has been writing soundtracks since 
the 60's and has over 300 movies/shows to his credit. I loved the 
Quidditch track in the first movie and Hedwig's themes is one of my 
favorites. 

However, as much as I love John Williams I will be the first to 
admit that on occasion some of his music sounds similar to other 
films. It is a subtle thing but I can hear a repetitive melody from 
some of his Star Wars/Indiana Jones action sequences in some of the 
action sequences in Harry Potter. It may just be a stanza or two but 
it is there. Especially from Star Wars to Indiana Jones. I suppose 
that is what all my band teachers always called the 
composer's "signature". Even the great ones Mozart, Beethoven, 
Chopin, Brahms have a little of it in their many pieces so I suppose 
it is ok that JW has it. My favorite soundtrack by him would be 
Schindler's List though which he did win an Oscar for. I think it 
just captured the mood of that film.

But I suppose that when they put Patrick Doyle at the helm for GOF I 
was so intrigued to see if he would be drastically different with 
the 4 film and he was different but there are little pieces which 
are similar here and there. In fact I liked the soundtrack of GOF so 
much that I happily immediately played the soundtrack when I won a 
free copy (it was barely out of the wrapper before it was playing). 
In fact, I actually switch between it and the SS soundtrack when 
working on an intense data analysis project at work.

Anyway, I don't mind if there is a new composer - it will be 
interesting to see what he can do. So far I have liked the music in 
the films - worth a shot to see if I still do.

Theresa







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Apr 17 20:17:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
References: <e20oag+kai9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c6625b$e25d2920$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

IMDB pretty much means they must have signed. Here is some info on this
newcomer:

http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=5606






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 17 20:55:35 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:55:35 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <000901c6625b$e25d2920$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e20vc7+5ep7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> IMDB pretty much means they must have signed. Here is some info on 
this
> newcomer:
> 
> http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=5606
>

And now Lauren:
Karen- You really think so?  I always thought IMDB to not be so 
reliable.  After all, they initally said JW was doing the score.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Apr 17 21:23:34 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:23:34 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
References: <e20vc7+5ep7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c66265$2ece2a80$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I just know most people consider them pretty reliable. Odd choice if it
isn't true. We will all have to do some googling and see if we see anything
else on it. Makes me wonder if Williams backed out or was fired, actually.
It does happen.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
> >
> > IMDB pretty much means they must have signed. Here is some info on
> this
> > newcomer:
> >
> > http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=5606
> >
>
> And now Lauren:
> Karen- You really think so?  I always thought IMDB to not be so
> reliable.  After all, they initally said JW was doing the score.
>
>
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Apr 18 00:29:31 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:29:31 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e20vc7+5ep7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e21btb+rmg0@eGroups.com>

Now I am really hoping this is true. I've heard much of P&P which is just a great score, but 
listen to some of this!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A7DVMC/ref=ase_cinemusiconline/
104-8735721-5843135?s=music&v=glance&n=5174&tagActionCode=cinemusiconline

This guy is *really* interesting. I think he could make the demenoter scene scary as hell. And 
the twins chaos? I dunno. I think this would be a winner composer choice.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Apr 18 00:31:21 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 00:31:21 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e21btb+rmg0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e21c0p+842o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> Now I am really hoping this is true. I've heard much of P&P which is just a great score, but 
> listen to some of this!
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A7DVMC/ref=ase_cinemusiconline/
> 104-8735721-5843135?s=music&v=glance&n=5174&tagActionCode=cinemusiconline
> 

Try this http://tinyurl.com/p4ktk


works better.







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 18 14:25:59 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:25:59 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <000701c66265$2ece2a80$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e22stn+u6n7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I just know most people consider them pretty reliable. Odd choice 
if it
> isn't true. We will all have to do some googling and see if we see 
anything
> else on it. Makes me wonder if Williams backed out or was fired, 
actually.
> It does happen.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:55 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
> 
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > IMDB pretty much means they must have signed. Here is some 
info on
> > this
> > > newcomer:
> > >
> > > http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=5606
> > >
> >
> > And now Lauren:
> > Karen- You really think so?  I always thought IMDB to not be so
> > reliable.  After all, they initally said JW was doing the score.


And now Lauren again:
I guess you do have a good point with that one.  It is quite an odd 
choice for it to be random.  Ah well, I guess I should come to terms 
with the news quickly.  I am a moderate JW fan,  but for the record 
I am NOT a fan of Patrick Doyle.  I did listen a little bit to those 
clips of Dario Marianelli, and I can't deny it's pretty darn good.  
I would be open to having this man compose the next score.  But he 
has to do a variation on Hedwig's Theme.  No exceptions!






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Apr 18 14:59:16 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:59:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
References: <e22stn+u6n7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c662f8$a9ae9440$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I just know most people consider them pretty reliable. Odd choice
> if it
> > isn't true. We will all have to do some googling and see if we see
> anything
> > else on it. Makes me wonder if Williams backed out or was fired,
> actually.
> > It does happen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at ...>
> > To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:55 PM
> > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
> >
> >
> > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IMDB pretty much means they must have signed. Here is some
> info on
> > > this
> > > > newcomer:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=5606
> > > >
> > >
> > > And now Lauren:
> > > Karen- You really think so?  I always thought IMDB to not be so
> > > reliable.  After all, they initally said JW was doing the score.
>
>
> And now Lauren again:
> I guess you do have a good point with that one.  It is quite an odd
> choice for it to be random.  Ah well, I guess I should come to terms
> with the news quickly.  I am a moderate JW fan,  but for the record
> I am NOT a fan of Patrick Doyle.  I did listen a little bit to those
> clips of Dario Marianelli, and I can't deny it's pretty darn good.
> I would be open to having this man compose the next score.  But he
> has to do a variation on Hedwig's Theme.  No exceptions!
>

kchuplis:
I've been doing some reading on this young composer and what people
emphasize again and again is his orchestration ability. How he uses a full
range of the instruments to greater effect than most composers out there,
which I thought was saying a lot. I think that is where scores begin to
sound generic. VERY interesting young composer. As I understand it V for
Vendetta the entire score is a slow build up to the use of the 1812 overture
at the end. I'd say if anyone could incorporate a theme it's him.

I actually really enjoy Doyle's score, but while JW did fine for the first
couple of films, I just don't think he is the right man for these later
ones. I bought PoA but really, I only like a few of the tracks.






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Apr 18 16:52:37 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:52:37 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <000a01c662f8$a9ae9440$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e235gl+bumc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> snip
> kchuplis:
> I've been doing some reading on this young composer and what people
> emphasize again and again is his orchestration ability. How he 
uses a full
> range of the instruments to greater effect than most composers out 
there,
> which I thought was saying a lot. I think that is where scores 
begin to
> sound generic. VERY interesting young composer. As I understand it 
V for
> Vendetta the entire score is a slow build up to the use of the 
1812 overture
> at the end. I'd say if anyone could incorporate a theme it's him.
> 
> I actually really enjoy Doyle's score, but while JW did fine for 
the first
> couple of films, I just don't think he is the right man for these 
later
> ones. I bought PoA but really, I only like a few of the tracks.
>
I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you Karen. As I mentioned 
in an earlier post that I did like John Williams - I am not a die-
hard fan of his due to the repetitive thing. I did like Patrick 
Doyle in GOF but I am excited to see what Dario Marianelli can do. I 
saw both P&P and BG and I remember thinking what great music that 
was in the background. In BG the scene with the evil queen was so 
intense mostly due to the music - at least for me it was. I would 
love to hear his music for the dementor scene as well as the 
Department of Mysteries battle. I can just imagine the DOM and 
Sirius' fall. I have goosebumps just thinking about that without 
music, cannot wait to see it with music. I hate to admit it but I 
didn't care for the POA soundtrack - I have liked the others. I feel 
that part of the reason some people didn't like certain scenes in 
POA was due to the soundtrack. IMHO the music adds to the feel of a 
scene and it can also detract. Anyway, I am excited to see how Dario 
handles OotP. Too bad it is over a year away.

Theresa






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 19 16:17:30 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:17:30 -0000
Subject: Another possible contender for Composer for OoTP
Message-ID: <e25nqq+tsm0@eGroups.com>

Ok, so now according to Mugglenet, according to HPANA, Nicholas Hooper 
will be composing the score for OoTP.  Apparently he is the UK's 
leading media composer.

The HPANA article is here: http://www.hpana.com/news.19385.html

Info about Mr. Hooper is here: 
http://www.coolmusicltd.com/Composers/Nicholas-Hooper/Nicholas-
Hooper.html 

So I guess basically until Warner Brothers confirms something, this is 
the game we'll be playing!

Lauren







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 19 16:20:38 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:20:38 -0000
Subject: Weasley actors discuss OOTP cast and filming
Message-ID: <e25o0m+ntdm@eGroups.com>

I stole this from Mugglenet... thought you might be interested to 
know...

Rupert Grint along with James and Oliver Phelps appeared on BBC 
Radio 1's Jo Whiley show this morning. Reader Izzy wrote to us with 
the following:

The interview was slightly informative. We learn that all three love 
rock music, and that Rupert has a dressing room that is more like a 
den, with a dartboard, a pool table and a plasma screen TV. Also, 
Rupert said that he has just come from filming the scene in 
Umbridge's office with the Inquisitorial Squad, so at least we know 
that the writers aren't cutting that out! And, last but not least, 
when asked to say one word to describe the actors they're working 
with, they said that they think of Dan as "hyperactive," Gary Oldman 
as "cool," and Emma as "Different. Totally different from her 
character, totally." And Jo Whiley said "That's not one word..."

Mugglenet tells us that we might be able to find a link to listen to 
the show sometime soon at this site:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/index.shtml?refresh

Enjoy!  

Lauren







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Apr 19 16:29:24 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:29:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another possible contender for Composer for OoTP
References: <e25nqq+tsm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c663ce$6b7a2e60$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Oh man! I'm hyped over Dario Marinelli. Jeez. I suppose we just wait wait
wait.....


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another possible contender for Composer for OoTP


> Ok, so now according to Mugglenet, according to HPANA, Nicholas Hooper
> will be composing the score for OoTP.  Apparently he is the UK's
> leading media composer.
>
> The HPANA article is here: http://www.hpana.com/news.19385.html
>
> Info about Mr. Hooper is here:
> http://www.coolmusicltd.com/Composers/Nicholas-Hooper/Nicholas-
> Hooper.html
>
> So I guess basically until Warner Brothers confirms something, this is
> the game we'll be playing!
>
> Lauren
>
>
>
>
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Apr 19 16:36:13 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:36:13 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another possible contender for Composer for OoTP
References: <e25nqq+tsm0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002301c663cf$5f87c030$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

OK, this guy *has* worked with Yates, but jeez he's only scored two films. I
find it hard to believe they could get WB to THAT much inexperience.

Karen

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Another possible contender for Composer for OoTP


> Ok, so now according to Mugglenet, according to HPANA, Nicholas Hooper
> will be composing the score for OoTP.  Apparently he is the UK's
> leading media composer.
>
> The HPANA article is here: http://www.hpana.com/news.19385.html
>
> Info about Mr. Hooper is here:
> http://www.coolmusicltd.com/Composers/Nicholas-Hooper/Nicholas-
> Hooper.html
>
> So I guess basically until Warner Brothers confirms something, this is
> the game we'll be playing!
>
> Lauren
>
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From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 00:07:17 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:07:17 -0000
Subject: Digest Number 1465
In-Reply-To: <3bb.3a2ff9.31746421@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e26jbl+gnif@eGroups.com>

Lynda Abraxan wrote:

[snippety!] 
> 
> Seachange - sounds like you may be in the industry.  I know a lot  of things 
> go on behind the scenes that the rest of us don't hear about, but  perhaps JW 
> wasn't "auditioning" so much as offering an idea of what he thought  he might 
> do for the main themes?  I can see the producers asking for that  kind of 
> thing.  But I'm not in the industry, just an interested observer. .  .
_______________________________

Sea Change responds:

A producer may ask for such a thing, but no composer who is as establised or as well-known 
as John Williams needs to waste their time by complying with the request, unless they really 
really want to do that particular film.  Writing music to a film is hard!  There are *always* 
other projects for a proven composer, and time is money.  That JW really wanted to do these 
films is a possibility that I hadn't considered.  


Sea Change, who now thinks that JW could be a huge fan!






From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 00:28:31 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:28:31 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e20oag+kai9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e26kjf+l820@eGroups.com>

   Lauren said:

Though, I feel that the reason JW is so well-known happens to 
> be because he is pretty good at what he does.  
_________________________________

    Sea Change replies:

No argument here.  John Williams *is* good at what he does.  There are two different 
issues here and we are both conflating them to some degree.  The first, is is the music 
good 'movie music' and if it is, is it good for the Harry Potter movies 2 and 3.  The second, 
is the music good as music and stands on it's own, either for personal enjoyment or for 
posterity.

Certainly there's a subjective quality of this that really can't be argued about much.

____________________________________

Lauren continues:


 When I review a movie's 
> soundtrack, I ask two questions: How well does the music fit and 
> enhance the film? How will does the music stand alone, separate from 
> the film? As to the first question, this soundtrack fits and 
> enhances its film as well as any. The scene-to-scene transitions of 
> the music are never jarring. As to the second question, most 
> soundtracks sound a bit disjointed when heard away from their 
> movies.  I don't think PoA is disjointed as much as GoF is.  I don't 
> enjoy GoF on it's own at all.  It's ok for the movie, sort of flat 
> and empty, but the movie is so good, I barely pay attention.

_______________________________

Sea Change replies:

The Doyle soundtrack is definitely meant to be 'movie music', that is to say, it doesn't 
really stand on it's own and isn't intended to.  You mention below this that you like 
boisterous, and the Doyle soundtrack almost never is this.  It is meant to unobtrusively 
enhance the sceneone is watching, and so one is not supposed to particularly notice it.  
For me, this was a relief, so I haven't yet made any decisions about whether I like his music 
on it's own or not. I will have to watch the movie 5 more times or so.

This boisterousness in the movies 2 and 3 is precisely what I am not liking about John 
Williams' music.  (Not that I don't like boisterous music, I listen happily to Stone Temple 
Pilots and Pearl Jam).  At issue with me is that it doesn't suit the darkening moods of the 
movies.  The one place in PoA where this shows up the most is in the 'dementors on the 
Hogwarts Express' scene in which the track with Williams' large, loud chords is supressed 
into near inaudibility and the sound effects take center stage.

[snips interesting review of PoA music, which may show that it stands quite fine on it's 
own]

______________________________________________

Lauren adds:

 And for the record, I like Lawrence Welk too.

__________________________________

Sea Change replies:

Me, I like Glenn Miller and Artie Shaw.  Welk and his music remind me of people I know 
who drink (or use other concious alterations) just a little too much and aren't all that 
interesting without the addition.









From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 00:38:09 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:38:09 -0000
Subject: John Williams
In-Reply-To: <20060416204521.42814.qmail@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e26l5h+b35q@eGroups.com>

Lizzie Snape wrote:

 
> Since we're discussing the movie music I have a question.  On the CofS soundtrack CD it 
says 'Music composed by John Williams,' followed by 'Music adapted . . . by William Ross.'   
Exactly what does 'music adapted' mean and why would they do that?  All the others 
(except GofF of course) are 'composed and conducted by John Williams.'

________________________________

Sea Change replies:

There's no way to be sure offhand.  In Prisoner of Azkaban, the scene with the bluebird 
getting eaten by the Whomping Willow is a pretty direct steal from Tchaikovsky, and 
therefore is an 'adaptation'.  Similarly the shawm music for the Headless Hunt is not really 
original as it is written in a very close style to some traditional English stuff.  There could 
have been something in CofS like this, or we can speculate wildly...

 John Williams may have not wanted to write something that the director wanted to be 
written, and so they had someone else adapt his style in certain scenes, because they 
could, or...

A scene may have changed very late in the film, after the contract for the music was paid 
for and was fulfilled, and they didn't want to pay him for the new music, or...

Something else.  There's no way of knowing without doing a little snooping.



Sea Change, who notes that this is how rumors get started






From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 00:51:18 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:51:18 -0000
Subject: Dario Marinelli
In-Reply-To: <000a01c662f8$a9ae9440$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e26lu6+pnbq@eGroups.com>

[snip interesting conversation between Lauren and Karen]


   Lauren said:

> I've been doing some reading on this young composer and what people
> emphasize again and again is his orchestration ability. How he uses a full
> range of the instruments to greater effect than most composers out there,
> which I thought was saying a lot. I think that is where scores begin to
> sound generic. VERY interesting young composer. As I understand it V for
> Vendetta the entire score is a slow build up to the use of the 1812 overture
> at the end. I'd say if anyone could incorporate a theme it's him.

   and Karen added:
 
> I actually really enjoy Doyle's score, but while JW did fine for the first
> couple of films, I just don't think he is the right man for these later
> ones. I bought PoA but really, I only like a few of the tracks.

______________________________________

Sea Change chimes in:

I am *really* liking what I hear from Dario Marinelli.  

It's likely not a 'firing' for John Williams.  It was probably a money thing, or a creative 
differences thing that was discovered after the producers lined folks up but before they 
had a chance to really talk with each other.


Sea Change, who thinks it's a good thing for my liking of this new director, if he has 
creative differences with John Williams








From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 20 17:22:20 2006
From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:22:20 -0000
Subject: Dan and teenage angst
Message-ID: <e28g0c+kfu9@eGroups.com>

I watched my first James Dean movie, "Rebel Without a Cause", a couple 
of days ago.  Wow, that's SOME teenage angst!  I've researched a 
little and have read that his "East of Eden" movie showcased these 
emotions even better. 
 Now to make this on topic.  Dan has been researching how to play out 
Harry's emotional upheaval in OOTP and it occured to me that Deans' 
movies would be great for Dan to watch.  Dan has said he likes classic 
movies and I think he would really enjoy them.  He may even get a few 
ideas!  Well, maybe NOT to be as emotional as Dean :-)

 
Regina ~ 






From sionwitch at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 21 16:03:24 2006
From: sionwitch at yahoo.com (Virginia Villamediana)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:03:24 -0000
Subject: Aberforth Dumbledore to be in the OotP movie
Message-ID: <e2avoc+vg0c@eGroups.com>

Yesterday TLC reported that WB hired Jim McManus to be Aberforth
Dumbledore. Since Aberforth doesn't have a mayor part on the OotP
book, the speculation is that JKR must have told WB that Aberforth
character is important in the future. It also seems that WB will cut
off Mundungus  character from the movie.
I think that Aberforth has the real Horcruxe, based on HBP Chapter
Twelve?s - Silver and Opals - incident with Harry and Mundungus
outside the Three Broomsticks. I think Aberforth took the Horcruxe
from Mundungus?s stolen Black family heirlooms, assuming  that RAB is
Regulus Black and that the locket that they couldn't open in OoTp is
the real  Horcruxe.  Is my opinion that WB will twist the plot to keep
that important fact , including Aberforth earlier that expected, but
also cutting Mundungus from the movies. What do you think? 

Sionwitch







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 21 19:01:00 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:01:00 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
Message-ID: <e2ba5c+ah7q@eGroups.com>

So, this might have been discussed already (it probably has) but being 
that I am still relatively new around here, and there are a lot of 
newer people who might like to discuss this, I thought I'd bring it up.
(It's actually on my mind because HBO has been playing PoA quite often 
recently, and I can't bear to let a HP movie go on without watching 
it!!)

I wonder if the reason the movies tend to portray Harry & Hermione as 
very affectionate (more affectionate than thought for friends of age 
13) is because the director(s) are just utilizing the actors natural 
chemistry to their advantage.  I think I've read that Dan and Emma are 
pretty good friends off-screen (and some speculations that they are 
more than just friends).  Plus Emma's actual real-life personality 
seems to come very much into play- she is bubbly, and (when I've seen 
in a few interviews) she sort of takes over a little bit.  Or 
sometimes Emma and Dan seem to be battling for the spotlight, but then 
Dan seems to eventually concede to her.  

Rupert, who is seemingly more shy and self-effacing, just doesn't 
seem "the type" to be a born leader.  If he is, he's reluctant about 
it and that's why they have his character act the way hes does (the 
wizard chess scene in SS).  It's like (for the trio, anyway) the parts 
are written for them, not necessarily what JKR wrote for them in her 
books.

And, I wonder what this would mean if the relationships changed 
between these actors?  What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated 
each other?  I think things would change.  I also wonder if Bonnie 
(the actor who plays Ginny) will be able to be a convincing enough 
actress to play Harry's love interest?  OoTP is kinda where things 
get "started" between the two.  Any thoughts?

Lauren






From kfreimu at gmail.com  Fri Apr 21 19:18:20 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:18:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
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On 4/21/06, laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> (It's actually on my mind because HBO has been playing PoA quite often
> recently, and I can't bear to let a HP movie go on without watching
> it!!)
>

I had to laugh at this because I'm the same way - they recently had COS on
network TV & I ended up watching it - I kept telling myself, why am I
watching this with commercials when I can just pop in the DVD!  My dh hates
that anytime I run across a HP movie playing, I'll stop & watch it & he
keeps asking me how many times have I seen it already! (he is not a HP fan
at all).
Krista


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From alexpie at aol.com  Fri Apr 21 20:03:24 2006
From: alexpie at aol.com (alexpie at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:03:24 EDT
Subject: Super-Hermione, etc.
Message-ID: <327.2be1e0c.317a948c@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 4/21/2006 3:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

And, I  wonder what this would mean if the relationships changed 
between these  actors?  What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated 
each  other?  I think things would change.  


I would hope that they would do what they get paid quite lucratively to  
do--act.  I don't have a lot of interest in the actors' private lives, but  I 
would assume that Dan is way too young for Emma.  Girls often tend to  date boys 
two or three years older.
Ba


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From siskiou at vcem.com  Fri Apr 21 21:20:40 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:20:40 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
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Hi,

Friday, April 21, 2006, 12:01:00 PM, laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com wrote:

> What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated 
> each other?  I think things would change.

If they'd let their animosity bleed over onto the screen,
things would change for sure.

They'd probably be "retired" from their roles, and more
professional actors/actresses would be hired (or so I hope).

> Rupert, who is seemingly more shy and self-effacing, just doesn't
> seem "the type" to be a born leader.  If he is, he's reluctant about 
> it and that's why they have his character act the way hes does (the 
> wizard chess scene in SS).

I'm not sure what you mean (with the chess scene, which was
very much like the book, and I thought Rupert was doing a
great job with it).

He wasn't hired to be a "born leader", but unfortunately
fans seem to prefer bubbly, hyperactive personalities to
more laid back, possible introverted ones (especially in
interviews). :)

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 21 23:28:44 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:28:44 -0000
Subject: Super-Hermione, etc.
In-Reply-To: <327.2be1e0c.317a948c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e2bprc+4pi4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, alexpie at ... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 4/21/2006 3:23:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
  
SNIP SNIP SNIP
  Girls often tend to  date boys 
> two or three years older.
> Ba
> 
> 


And now Lauren:
I just had to mention here that my husband and I are the same exact 
age! (Actually, that's not true, we were born the same year, but I 
am seven months older than he is!) :-) Just had a chuckle when I 
read this!  I always KNEW I wasn't like other girls, and I couldn't 
figure out why!






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 21 23:39:01 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:39:01 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
In-Reply-To: <1117918505.20060421142040@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <e2bqel+5lak@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Friday, April 21, 2006, 12:01:00 PM, laurenmcoakley at ... wrote:
> 
> > What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated 
> > each other?  I think things would change.
> 
> If they'd let their animosity bleed over onto the screen,
> things would change for sure.
> 
> They'd probably be "retired" from their roles, and more
> professional actors/actresses would be hired (or so I hope).
> 
> > Rupert, who is seemingly more shy and self-effacing, just doesn't
> > seem "the type" to be a born leader.  If he is, he's reluctant 
about 
> > it and that's why they have his character act the way hes does 
(the 
> > wizard chess scene in SS).
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean (with the chess scene, which was
> very much like the book, and I thought Rupert was doing a
> great job with it).
> 
> He wasn't hired to be a "born leader", but unfortunately
> fans seem to prefer bubbly, hyperactive personalities to
> more laid back, possible introverted ones (especially in
> interviews). :)
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>

Hi Susanne,
Thanks for your thoughts!  I guess I wasn't completely clear when I 
wrote the inital post (I was at work with my boss breathing down my 
neck, worried that I would get caught doing some very un-work type 
stuff).  I understand that if the personal relationships between the 
actors changed, regardless, they would be required (if they still 
wanted to make HP movies) to work together despite whatever was 
going on.  

BUT, would this change how the director(s) portray them?  I know 
parts are written, but how they can be acted out can vary greatly.  

I feel like it's so easy to turn Emma into Super-Hermione, even 
though her character in the book isn't such a super Hermione.  
Because her personality is so easily Super-Hermione.  And Mike 
Newell did a nice job of toning that down a bit for GoF, but I think 
that was because he really wanted to focus on the "Hermione love-
triangle" aspect of her.

It's just interesting to me how subjective directing a movie can be.






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 21 23:41:23 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:41:23 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
In-Reply-To: <977182740604211218m5bfc14ep4c48668d894901a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2bqj3+sqt0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Krista Freimuth" <kfreimu at ...> 
wrote:
>
> On 4/21/06, laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
> >
> > (It's actually on my mind because HBO has been playing PoA quite 
often
> > recently, and I can't bear to let a HP movie go on without 
watching
> > it!!)
> >
> 
> I had to laugh at this because I'm the same way - they recently 
had COS on
> network TV & I ended up watching it - I kept telling myself, why 
am I
> watching this with commercials when I can just pop in the DVD!  My 
dh hates
> that anytime I run across a HP movie playing, I'll stop & watch it 
& he
> keeps asking me how many times have I seen it already! (he is not 
a HP fan
> at all).
> Krista
> 
> 

Krista-
My husband is a semi-fan (well, I say that only because he is not 
nearly as hopelessly obsessed as I!  Which is obvious because...) HE 
SAYS THE SAME THING TO ME! lol

Lauren  







From siskiou at vcem.com  Fri Apr 21 23:40:17 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:40:17 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Super-Hermione, etc.
In-Reply-To: <e2bprc+4pi4@eGroups.com>
References: <327.2be1e0c.317a948c@aol.com> <e2bprc+4pi4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <1610382855.20060421164017@vcem.com>



Hi,

Friday, April 21, 2006, 4:28:44 PM, laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com wrote:

> (Actually, that's not true, we were born the same year, but I
> am seven months older than he is!) :-) 

Same here, except I'm 6 months older.

But we didn't meet as teenagers.
I don't think age makes as big a difference as it does in
the teens.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sat Apr 22 00:25:53 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:25:53 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to ...
Message-ID: <329.2c522b2.317ad211@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/21/06 3:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kfreimu at gmail.com writes:


> On 4/21/06, laurenmcoakley <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > (It's actually on my mind because HBO has been playing PoA quite often
> > recently, and I can't bear to let a HP movie go on without watching
> > it!!)
> >
> 
> I had to laugh at this because I'm the same way - they recently had COS on
> network TV & I ended up watching it - I kept telling myself, why am I
> watching this with commercials when I can just pop in the DVD!  My dh hates
> that anytime I run across a HP movie playing, I'll stop & watch it & he
> keeps asking me how many times have I seen it already! (he is not a HP fan
> at all).
> Krista
> 
> 
> 

I'm the very same way. If it's on I have to watch it. But I can go one step 
farther. Even though I have all of the DVD's I don't know how many times I have 
taped SS and COS. I finally got the two of them back-to-back with the deleted 
scenes added so I put that tape in often. Hopefully someday I will be able to 
do the same with POA and GOF. POA has not been shown on network television 
yet and I don't have any premium channels.
Sandy


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Apr 22 03:59:23 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:59:23 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Aberforth Dumbledore to be in the OotP movie
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On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Virginia Villamediana wrote:

>  Yesterday TLC reported that WB hired Jim McManus to be Aberforth
>  Dumbledore. Since Aberforth doesn't have a mayor part on the OotP
>  book, the speculation is that JKR must have told WB that Aberforth
>  character is important in the future. It also seems that WB will cut
>  off Mundungus? character from the movie.
>  I think that Aberforth has the real Horcruxe, based on HBP Chapter
>  Twelve?s - Silver and Opals - incident with Harry and Mundungus
>  outside the Three Broomsticks. I think Aberforth took the Horcruxe
>  from Mundungus?s stolen Black family heirlooms, assuming? that RAB is
>  Regulus Black and that the locket that they couldn't open in OoTp is
>  the real? Horcruxe.? Is my opinion that WB will twist the plot to keep
>  that important fact , including Aberforth earlier that expected, but
>  also cutting Mundungus from the movies. What do you think?
>
>  Sionwitch
>
Very interesting theory! It does seem intriguing that they ditch 
Mundungus for Aberforth. So I presume they will have to alter the story 
about Mundungus, the drunken pick-pocket stealing the Black 
heirlooms/being in the Order?
I need to go back and re-read OotP and HBP now!
Valerie




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 22 04:06:28 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:06:28 -0000
Subject: John Williams
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Message-ID: <e2ca44+n055@eGroups.com>

Thanks for the info, Sea Change.  I'll pay particular attention the 
next time I listen to the CD.






From sherriola at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 22 04:14:13 2006
From: sherriola at earthlink.net (Sherry Gomes)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:14:13 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
In-Reply-To: <1117918505.20060421142040@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <E1FX9Vm-0004SR-7Y@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

 laurenmcoakley
> What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated each other?  I think 
> things would change.



Sherry now

in the classic movie Wuthering Heights, starring Sir Lawrence Olivier and
Merle Oberon, the two main actors hated each other deeply and overtly.  But
they put it aside for their roles and played the parts incredibly well.
actors better be good enough to put aside personal likes and dislikes to do
their job, just like everyone else has to do on the job.

sherry




From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 22 12:25:07 2006
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:25:07 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
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Patrick Swayze & Jennifer Gray couldn't stand each other either, but they
were very convincing as a couple falling for each other in Dirty Dancing.

Rae

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:14 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny
be able to convince us?

 laurenmcoakley
> What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated each other?  I think 
> things would change.



Sherry now

in the classic movie Wuthering Heights, starring Sir Lawrence Olivier and
Merle Oberon, the two main actors hated each other deeply and overtly.  But
they put it aside for their roles and played the parts incredibly well.
actors better be good enough to put aside personal likes and dislikes to do
their job, just like everyone else has to do on the job.

sherry



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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Apr 22 13:28:41 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:28:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
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Same thing with Gere and Debra Winger in Officer and a Gentleman. Not  
that I expect there would be any reason for Dan and Emma to have a  
falling out. I also can't imagine, with the way people speak of them,  
to be less than professional. I doubt it would make a glitch in the  
radar.


On Apr 22, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Rae Callaway wrote:

> Patrick Swayze & Jennifer Gray couldn't stand each other either,  
> but they
> were very convincing as a couple falling for each other in Dirty  
> Dancing.
>
> Rae
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU- 
> Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:14 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and  
> will Ginny
> be able to convince us?
>
>  laurenmcoakley
>> What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated each other?  I think
>> things would change.
>
>
>
> Sherry now
>
> in the classic movie Wuthering Heights, starring Sir Lawrence  
> Olivier and
> Merle Oberon, the two main actors hated each other deeply and  
> overtly.  But
> they put it aside for their roles and played the parts incredibly  
> well.
> actors better be good enough to put aside personal likes and  
> dislikes to do
> their job, just like everyone else has to do on the job.
>
> sherry
>
>
>
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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 22 19:46:46 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:46:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince
In-Reply-To: <1145647384.268.90712.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060422194646.35917.qmail@web60924.mail.yahoo.com>

Lauren:
  I am the same exact way...wow, I thought I was going a little overboard with it, but I'm glad to see I'm not alone.  I mean they are considered childrens movies/books, although now more young adult, and I'm absolutly addicted!  But there's no way I can allow a movie to pass without me watching it. So I understand that totally.  
  As for your reference to Prisoner and Dan and Emma.  Watching that movie (which is officially my favorite until Order it think), especially the whoomping willow scene and beyond, I thought gosh they are awfully physical with one another, more than "13" yr olds would be with their buddies.  I thought maybe that was in the book or something and they were just acting it out very well, but the 2 of them are a like that together in real life.  But I've come to believe it is just the chemistry because I watched an interview somewhere where one of the producers or someone were discussing the trying out of 3 actors together to see if they had on screen chemistry and the Dan/Rupert/Emma mixture was absolutly perfect.  Although I've read the speculations as well about Dan and Emma, which I think are cute, but did worry me because it's just like what Harry said in HBP about the possiblity of Ron and Hermione getting together, if something went wrong, the whole dynamic of their
 friendship would change.  Guess they don't know the rule of not dating anyone at work yet!LOL
  As for the Ginny/Harry relationship.  I'm not for it myself....sorry sorry...I know they make sense but I'm not on the band wagon yet.  I think Dan can definitly handle it.  He looks like he's ready for any female love interest you can throw at him now.  SS/COS Dan I wouldn't have thought that, but Prisoner and beyond, he seems very eager.  As for Bonnie, they haven't really developed her character in the films enough in my opinion.  If they had at least shown more expression on her face in Goblet of her dislike of Harry saying he asked Cho out and her having gone with Neville because she just wanted to be there, little things like that would have been great.  The little line in Chamber "she's been talking about you all summer" and her standing up for him at the bookstore was even more than what's shown now.  But it was to little and then it was gone, not enough to make me a believer in the films.  I hope they pick it up in Order because she's got a BIG role coming in
 Half Blood.  So they really need to show, even if very little (which we don't have choice), her dating random guys and making out and all that.

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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Apr 23 13:42:40 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:42:40 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> Lauren:
>   SNIPPED  
>   As for your reference to Prisoner and Dan and Emma.  Watching 
that movie (which is officially my favorite until Order it think), 
especially the whoomping willow scene and beyond, I thought gosh 
they are awfully physical with one another, more than "13" yr olds 
would be with their buddies.  I thought maybe that was in the book 
or something and they were just acting it out very well, but the 2 
of them are a like that together in real life.  But I've come to 
believe it is just the chemistry because I watched an interview 
somewhere where one of the producers or someone were discussing the 
trying out of 3 actors together to see if they had on screen 
chemistry and the Dan/Rupert/Emma mixture was absolutly perfect.  
SNIPPED AGAIN

Jen D. here:
Do you remember the extra stuff on the POA dvd where Jo said that 
Alphonso got some things right that made the hair stand up on her 
neck, things he didn't know about but that somehow he included. It 
was two things specifically, I believe. Well, my first response to 
the running around in the woods, holding hands stuff 
was "Something's up." Just that. As it stands in the books now, I 
would seem to be awfully wrong and I can handle that but my gut 
tells me that the hand-holding in the woods was one of the things AC 
got "accidentally" right.
J






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Apr 23 15:09:55 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:09:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince
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On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:42 AM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>>
>> Lauren:
>>   SNIPPED
>>   As for your reference to Prisoner and Dan and Emma.  Watching
> that movie (which is officially my favorite until Order it think),
> especially the whoomping willow scene and beyond, I thought gosh
> they are awfully physical with one another, more than "13" yr olds
> would be with their buddies.  I thought maybe that was in the book
> or something and they were just acting it out very well, but the 2
> of them are a like that together in real life.  But I've come to
> believe it is just the chemistry because I watched an interview
> somewhere where one of the producers or someone were discussing the
> trying out of 3 actors together to see if they had on screen
> chemistry and the Dan/Rupert/Emma mixture was absolutly perfect.
> SNIPPED AGAIN
>
> Jen D. here:
> Do you remember the extra stuff on the POA dvd where Jo said that
> Alphonso got some things right that made the hair stand up on her
> neck, things he didn't know about but that somehow he included. It
> was two things specifically, I believe. Well, my first response to
> the running around in the woods, holding hands stuff
> was "Something's up." Just that. As it stands in the books now, I
> would seem to be awfully wrong and I can handle that but my gut
> tells me that the hand-holding in the woods was one of the things AC
> got "accidentally" right.
> J
>

I find all this speculation interesting. I didn't see the Harry/ 
Hermie running in the woods as overly physical. I mean, these kids  
basically grew up together. Harry is fond of Hermione and vice versa.  
I've held hands with a "boy" friend who isn't a boyfriend. If I was  
in a dangerous scary situation, I definitely would. Touch of any kind  
is reassuring. It's been far more evident (in movieland) that  
Hermione and Ron are uncomfortable touching, which indicated early on  
they were somehow interested (even if they didn't realize it).

AFA Dan and Emma go, is there some kind of rumor? On the latest DVD,   
I am totally convinced that they are very good friends (to me they  
act more like brother and sister). And again, *they* literally grew  
up together too. I mean, they have been together A LOT. Yeah,  
sometimes that creates romance but I would think it would be more  
like "family" and tend to kill romantic leanings. 



From siskiou at vcem.com  Sun Apr 23 18:39:48 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:39:48 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince
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Hi,

Sunday, April 23, 2006, 10:55:32 AM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> I think Alphonso was 
> trying to communicate (again, I could be horribly off-course and it
> is almost undoubtedly so) something he saw in the trio's future.
> Just a hunch. 

What I saw was two kids being close friends and supporting
each other, but there was not a single moment of some
realization of more. No sudden looks and blushes, no moments
of looking at each other and seeing more than just a friend.
It was all action, rushing around, being scared.

We *did* have some of those special moments between Ron and
Hermione, though.

The scene were she leaned on his shoulder when Buckbeak was
"executed", and the accidental hand grabbing part.

I don't doubt that Cuaron was trying to have a nod to his
own movie (can't think of the title), though.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 23 19:34:19 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:34:19 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince
In-Reply-To: <189D7219-6AD6-4085-B1F3-B1F265DC4B6E@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <e2gkrr+nsnc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:

SNIP SNIP SNIP
> 
> I find all this speculation interesting. I didn't see the Harry/ 
> Hermie running in the woods as overly physical. I mean, these kids  
> basically grew up together. Harry is fond of Hermione and vice 
versa.  
> I've held hands with a "boy" friend who isn't a boyfriend. If I 
was  
> in a dangerous scary situation, I definitely would. Touch of any 
kind  
> is reassuring. It's been far more evident (in movieland) that  
> Hermione and Ron are uncomfortable touching, which indicated early 
on  
> they were somehow interested (even if they didn't realize it).
> 
> AFA Dan and Emma go, is there some kind of rumor? On the latest 
DVD,   
> I am totally convinced that they are very good friends (to me they  
> act more like brother and sister). And again, *they* literally 
grew  
> up together too. I mean, they have been together A LOT. Yeah,  
> sometimes that creates romance but I would think it would be more  
> like "family" and tend to kill romantic leanings.
>

And now Lauren:
Sorry to say Karen, I can't disagree with you more on this.  Growing 
up, I had many more boy-friends (platonic friendships) than ones with 
girls (and still sort of do).  Hand holding was not something that 
you did at that age for fear of either: giving the other person the 
wrong impression; for ruining the chances you or the other person 
would have for a potential actual boyfriend/girlfriend; and 
(especially being the female and the double standards that exist in 
the world) for fear of being called a "ho", "ho-bag", slut or other 
such derogatory term other jealous girls would use and then to spread 
nasty rumors about you.  Now, I'm about 16 years away from this age, 
so if there are any mothers of 13 year olds now who could chime in 
and relate the kinds of co-ed friendships their kids have nowadays, 
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.  I thought PoA portrayed 
this friendship a *little* excessively.  We can pretend it was 
platonic (because that's what we know from the books), but I think AC 
took it overboard because Dan & Emma have such a great chemistry 
together (as I've seen, onscreen and off), and there are tons 
Harry/Hermione shippers out there who love to fantasize based on that 
scene.  Also, if they give non-book reading fans a bone that maybe 
Harry & Hermione will get together, it'll seem like even more of a 
plot-twist when Hermione winds up with Ron and Ginny and Harry get 
together.






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 23 19:45:28 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:45:28 -0000
Subject: My theory behind Super-Hermione, and will Ginny be able to convince us?
Message-ID: <e2glgo+61e6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Rae Callaway" 
<tallcarabians at ...> wrote:
>
> Patrick Swayze & Jennifer Gray couldn't stand each other either, 
but they
> were very convincing as a couple falling for each other in Dirty 
Dancing.
> 
> Rae
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-
Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:14 PM
> To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] My theory behind Super-Hermione, and 
will Ginny
> be able to convince us?
> 
>  laurenmcoakley
> > What if Dan and Emma got into a fight and hated each other?  I 
think 
> > things would change.
> 
> 
> 
> Sherry now
> 
> in the classic movie Wuthering Heights, starring Sir Lawrence 
Olivier and
> Merle Oberon, the two main actors hated each other deeply and 
overtly.  But
> they put it aside for their roles and played the parts incredibly 
well.
> actors better be good enough to put aside personal likes and 
dislikes to do
> their job, just like everyone else has to do on the job.
> 
> sherry

And now Lauren:
Karen also gave an instance of two adult actors who didn't like each 
other who workerd beautifully on the screen.  My issue with these 
examples are just that: they are adult actors.  The trio, are still 
pretty young, and I'm not sure that people of their age would 
necessarily be able to behave the way we'd expect or hope them to 
behave.  I suppose this line of questioning is kind of pointless 
because Dan and Emma get along quite well (thank goodness!) and I 
certainly don't wish for that to change.  The purpose of bringing 
this up was just to point out how I think the directors are using the 
Dan, Emma & Rupert's personalities to their advantage when they act 
as their HP characters.  I think I read a recent interview with 
Rupert where he's talking about "Driving Lessons", and that he can 
relate to Ron much better than to his Driving Lessons character, and 
I feel that, since he's "been" Ron since he was twelve, maybe he gets 
to be an influence on how he plays Ron, and (movie) Ron has "rubbed 
off" on him too.  He and (movie) Ron *are* growing up together!







From rh64643 at appstate.edu  Sun Apr 23 23:25:06 2006
From: rh64643 at appstate.edu (truthbeauty1)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:25:06 -0000
Subject: P.O.A  Harry and Hermione
Message-ID: <e2h2ci+6va4@eGroups.com>

It is odd for me to hear all the Harry and Hermione talk concerning
P.O.A. For me, this is the most clearly and loudly Ron/Hermione movie
to date. The scenes where Hermione and Harry have physical contact are
times of either extreme danger, or great emotion on Harry's part.
Harry only has two close friends, and I don't see Ron comforting a
crying Harry. The dangerous scenes: well most of the time they are
helping one another. They are running from a werewolf and escaping a
murderous tree. Some hand holding and other contact might be
necessary. For me, Harry and Hermione's contact in the movies is so
clearly platonic. They are soo close, in a sibling kind of way, that
it doesn't matter if they hold hands every once in a while. I am
pretty sure that when Hermione is holding onto Harry with Werewolf
Lupin right in front of them, Harry is not thinking "Does Hermione
Like me?" Neither one of them thinks anything of it. They don't have
those kinds of feelings for one another. Of course this is all my
opinion, but in Highschool, which was only about 2 years ago for me, I
had one guy friend that I literally had no romantic feelings for, and
I was very comfortable around him. I may have acted in some ways that
are typically girlfriend type behaviors, but since neither of us
thought that way about the other, it didn't matter. We were just being
friends. I can say that with the boys I thought more about, well it
was much more of a "Ron" reaction.
 truthbeauty1
 
 






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Apr 25 21:21:06 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:21:06 -0000
Subject: P.O.A  Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <e2h2ci+6va4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e2m3s2+9o0u@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "truthbeauty1" <rh64643 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> It is odd for me to hear all the Harry and Hermione talk concerning
> P.O.A. For me, this is the most clearly and loudly Ron/Hermione 
movie
> to date. The scenes where Hermione and Harry have physical contact 
are
> times of either extreme danger, or great emotion on Harry's part.
> Harry only has two close friends, and I don't see Ron comforting a
> crying Harry. The dangerous scenes: well most of the time they are
> helping one another. They are running from a werewolf and escaping 
a
> murderous tree. Some hand holding and other contact might be
> necessary. For me, Harry and Hermione's contact in the movies is so
> clearly platonic. They are soo close, in a sibling kind of way, 
that
> it doesn't matter if they hold hands every once in a while. I am
> pretty sure that when Hermione is holding onto Harry with Werewolf
> Lupin right in front of them, Harry is not thinking "Does Hermione
> Like me?" Neither one of them thinks anything of it. They don't 
have
> those kinds of feelings for one another. Of course this is all my
> opinion, but in Highschool, which was only about 2 years ago for 
me, I
> had one guy friend that I literally had no romantic feelings for, 
and
> I was very comfortable around him. I may have acted in some ways 
that
> are typically girlfriend type behaviors, but since neither of us
> thought that way about the other, it didn't matter. We were just 
being
> friends. I can say that with the boys I thought more about, well it
> was much more of a "Ron" reaction.
>  truthbeauty1
>
Now Theresa
I have been watching this topic off and on over the past few days 
and just had to chime in. I have always thought in both the books 
and the films that Hermione and Harry have a strong, platonic 
relationship. Like another poster I grew up having mostly male 
friends and unlike that poster said, in my circle of friends it was 
ok for me to hug or even hold hands with any of them - I was 
their "sister". None of them nor I ever thought twice about being 
more than friends. They would pat my shoulder when I cried or give 
me a hug and in return I would give them advice on girls they liked. 
Now that I am 43 - it is funny but men still ask me for "girl 
advice" from what would be a good present for my wife's birthday to 
how do I know if this woman really likes me. I am also the mother of 
2 boys (11 and 14) and they hug their female friends when they 
haven't seen them in a while. And the girls and my sons don't mean 
anything by it other than "we are good friends". So I suppose this 
is my basis for why I have always felt Hermione and Harry are pals 
and how I can see Dan and Emma just being pals. 

As for Ron and Hermione, I always wondered about those two. In the 
books not so much though their little bickering every now and then 
reminded me of many couples in stories and film that started out as 
friends who picked at each other until one day passion hit them. But 
they do hang out together even without Harry in the books - Hogsmede 
in book 3, she visits the Burrow and GP etc. Now in the films it is 
a different story. In SS/PS, when Harry leaves the hospital Ron and 
Hermione are chatting together. In CoS, there is the awkward 
handshake at the end of the film. In PoA, there are loads of 
examples, first the almost holding hands deal, the shrieking shack -
 "want to move closer, what?, to the shack.", she hugs Ron at 
the "death of Buckbeak", and the scene after the shack. In GoF of 
course book and film you have the ultimate showdown after the ball. 
I think in the book that was when I KNEW she liked him and he 
possibly liked her too and Harry was the only one who had figured 
out both of them. She says "...next time as me first instead of as a 
last resort." - so she likes him and then he claims she totally 
missed the point. Meanwhile Harry is thinking - she got the point 
totally and Ron is missing it. That was when I thought, aha there is 
more than meets the eye. Now in the film it appears as if Hermione 
is all a flutter over Krum and I suppose she was flattered in the 
book but I think she still really liked Ron already. She also showed 
her contempt look when he talked about Fleur and company - not as 
much as in the book but it is there.

Anyway, just thought I would add my 2 knuts sorry for the long-
winded response.

Theresa

PS: Does anyone think that maybe since Aberforth is in the OotP film 
and not Fletcher that perhaps in book 7 he plays a bigger part? His 
brother is murdered at the end of HBP so maybe...I don't know. Just 
thinking out loud. I know JKR reviewed the script so it gave me 
pause for thought when I heard about Aberforth being cast.







From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Apr 25 22:51:34 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:51:34 -0000
Subject: P.O.A  Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <e2m3s2+9o0u@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e2m95m+2bfp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
>SNIPPED
> > >
> Now Theresa
> I have been watching this topic off and on over the past few days 
> and just had to chime in. I have always thought in both the books 
> and the films that Hermione and Harry have a strong, platonic 
> relationship. Like another poster I grew up having mostly male 
> friends and unlike that poster said, in my circle of friends it 
was 
> ok for me to hug or even hold hands with any of them - I was 
> their "sister". None of them nor I ever thought twice about being 
> more than friends. They would pat my shoulder when I cried or give 
> me a hug and in return I would give them advice on girls they 
liked. SNIPPED
> Theresa
> 
> PS: Does anyone think that maybe since Aberforth is in the OotP 
film 
> and not Fletcher that perhaps in book 7 he plays a bigger part? 
His 
> brother is murdered at the end of HBP so maybe...I don't know. 
Just 
> thinking out loud. I know JKR reviewed the script so it gave me 
> pause for thought when I heard about Aberforth being cast.
>
Theresa,
I think I had my "gut" feeling about Harry and Hermione for two 
reasons, one, Jo mentioned something on the DVD saying that Alphonso 
got a couple of things right, future things, without her telling 
him, he just sort of ventured out successfully, maybe even 
accidentally. And second, the lack of screen chem. between Movie!Ron 
and Movie!Hermy. I was glad you mentioned how they botched 
Hermione's "ask me first, next time" speech. That was telling for 
me. And three, (I only meant to give 2 reasons but this one popped 
up) Screen!Harry and Screen!Hermy do have real chemistry. Not saying 
it will go anywhere but even when the two real life people are being 
interviewed, they are like peas in a pod and Rupert is the strong 
almost-silent type. I adore Rupert and was so thrilled he got some 
really good screen time in GOF and hope they continue to use him but 
soon he's going to have to step up to the plate, and it just doesn't 
seem that he and Emma spark. Friends yes, oh yes, but that spark. 
Don't see it. 
Jen D.






From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 26 03:34:52 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:34:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <1145995885.756.78108.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060426033452.18910.qmail@web60911.mail.yahoo.com>

>Hi TB1,
>You know, it was just a gut reaction on my part. Sadly enough, I don't 
s>ee much chemistry between "Ron and Hermy" on-screen. I thought the 
>almost-handholding scene with the hippogriff was extremely awkward 
>which I am sure was the way it was supposed to look. And you may well 
>be right that in an extreme situation, you might hold anyone's hand 
>within reach. But I just can't escape the chemistry screen Harry and 
>Hermy seem to have. They are a much better match and I realize that is 
>not the way the books are going so I don't really have anything valid 
>to point out...
>J>

  I agree with you about the Ron/Hermione awkwardness.  With the fear of the Hippogriff (minor fear yes, but potrayal of "fear" nonetheless) looked very deliberate, kind of mechanical like, it wasn't natural.  When Harry and Hermione ran through the forest stricken with fear or going up the stairs of the shreiking(sp?) shack, the physical contact seemed a lot more natural to me.  And as for directors playing on the chemistry, what about Newell and Goblet for instance.  The Harry/Hermione hug in the champions tent before the first task?  Ok that wasn't in the book that way.  Actually she was suppose to hug him and Ron after the task, but instead she throws herself through the curtain, out of concern for her friend of course, and hugs the crap out of him, and all we get for the Harry/Ron reunion was "Boys".  I just believe their chemistry was played up in the films.  Not to say that Rupert and Emma aren't close, they say they are, but I don't see her as physical off screen
 with him as she is with Dan.  Then again it can be said that the Hermione/Ron awkwardness shows more of a possible liking toward each other as oppose of her easiness of being physical with Harry which represents friendship.
  Funny thing is, before Prisoner, I had only watched the movies, never read the books.  It wasn't until Prisoner making a fan and Goblet the movie that made me want to read the books.  And yet, although I love Prisoner and have watched it an unGodly number of times (i'm watching it right now, on cable) I never once interpreted Harry and Hermiones physicalness as a possible relationship between the 2 characters.  I thought it was so awesome that in Goblet (movie) Rita Skeeter thought they were more, when it was so obvious they were soo not.  I knew the Ginny had to be coming, it was obvious although i would like it not too.lol
  Candace





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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Apr 26 14:09:31 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:09:31 EDT
Subject: RHarry and Hermione
Message-ID: <3b4.1b68a4c.3180d91b@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Lauren  wrote:  Growing 
up, I had many more boy-friends (platonic  friendships) than ones with 
girls (and still sort of do).  Hand  holding was not something that 
you did at that age for fear of either:  giving the other person the 
wrong impression; for ruining the chances you  or the other person 
would have for a potential actual  boyfriend/girlfriend; 
I don't disagree with any of this.  HOWEVER -- Harry is a very  protective 
person.  I saw it as his way of protecting her, just as guys I  had as buddies 
would offer me a hand when we were hiking in the mountains, or my  husband will 
take my arm or hand to make sure I don't step out into traffic when  we're in 
a city (I'm a farm girl, what can I say??  :-D)  It's a  gentlemanly, polite, 
protectived thing to do.  Even a man you don't know  well may offer his arm 
to help you across tricking footing - and that's what I  thought Harry was 
doing here, nothing romantic (although his holding her close  and bending over her 
to protect her was VERY sweet, it still seemed a bit  brotherly to me, but 
then again, I read the books as well as watching the  movies).  Hermione was 
shown in that film as turning to RON, and Harry  wrapped his arms around her 
WHILE she was leaning on Ron (when Buckbeak was  being "executed").  Neither Ron 
nor Hermione found it odd for Harry to be  embracing her while she's embracing 
Ron (who wasn't embracing anyone as I  recall, except Scabbers, perhaps!  That 
boy is SLOW!!!  heehee).   Dan and Emma have both said that they feel like 
brother and sister and that it  would be a bit creepy to them if Harry and 
Hermione got together (although Dan  admitted a year or two ago that he'd had a 
crush on Emma in the early  days).  If my brother and I had been fleeing a 
werewolf in the woods, he  would've taken my hand to make sure I kept up with him - 
and we never got along  that well, but he'd do what he could to protect me.  
Anyway, that's my take  on it.
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Apr 26 14:16:44 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:16:44 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] casting to type
Message-ID: <28b.9a9ea61.3180dacc@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Lauren  wrote:  I think the directors are using the 
Dan, Emma & Rupert's  personalities to their advantage when they act 
as their HP  characters.  I think I read a recent interview with 
Rupert where he's  talking about "Driving Lessons", and that he can 
relate to Ron much better  than to his Driving Lessons character, and 
I feel that, since he's "been"  Ron since he was twelve, maybe he gets 
to be an influence on how he plays  Ron, and (movie) Ron has "rubbed 
off" on him too.  He and (movie) Ron  *are* growing up together!<<
 
What I think happened is, they cast children whose personalities fit the  
characters perfectly.  I read somewhere that when JKR saw Dan and heard him  
laugh, she knew he was the perfect Harry.  Rupert keeps saying he's a lot  like 
Ron because of his ginger hair and the fact that both come from big  families 
and both of them hate spiders.  I think those are rather silly  reasons, myself, 
but whatever works, right?  Emma comes across as a bit  pushy in interviews, 
which equates in many ways to Hermione's bossiness.   Dan evolved as the true 
leader of the trio of actors, just as Harry is the  leader of the trio of 
wizards.  Yes, directors are certain to use the  natural tendencies and affinities 
of their cast, but a good casting director put  those actors in place because 
they fit the parts.  And these three fit  their parts particularly well, 
except for Emma being too pretty and Rupert not  being particularly tall and 
gangly.  The twins in canon were shorter and  more solidly built, Ron in canon tall 
and gangly - in the films, the twins are  the tall, gangly ones, but boy, do 
they portray F&G perfectly or  what???  :-D  Kudos to the casting directors 
and to David Heyman who  found Dan in a theater watching a show with his parents!
 
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Apr 26 14:22:05 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:22:05 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] casting again (Super-Hermione and Harry thread)
Message-ID: <39e.1d947cd.3180dc0d@aol.com>

I forgot to add that one of the reasons Emma and Rupert were cast was  
because of the chemistry the producers could see between the three of  them.  David 
Heyman said that in an interview somewhere, and I think Chris  Columbus said 
something similar (those are old interviews, if you decide to look  them up).  
The chemistry is there, especially between Dan and Emma, yup,  but I don't see 
that leading to a H/Hr relationship.  Harry would never  betray Ron that way, 
and RON is the one who was his 'most precious" in GoF and  thus wound up 
underwater in the second task!  ;->  Funny how it  wasn't Cho, who Harry had the 
huge crush on, isn't it?  That just shows  Harry's great loyalty, IMO.
 
Lynda

"The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 26 19:52:00 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:52:00 -0000
Subject: P.O.A  Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <e2m95m+2bfp@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e2oj10+45ni@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333@> wrote:
> >SNIPPED
> > > >
> > Now Theresa:
> > I have been watching this topic off and on over the past few days 
> > and just had to chime in. I have always thought in both the books 
> > and the films that Hermione and Harry have a strong, platonic 
> > relationship. ...
> > Theresa
> > 
> > 
> >
> Theresa,
> I think I had my "gut" feeling about Harry and Hermione for two 
> reasons, one, Jo mentioned something on the DVD saying that Alphonso 
> got a couple of things right, future things, without her telling 
> him, he just sort of ventured out successfully, maybe even 
> accidentally. 

bboyminn:

I'm not sure I'm if I'm responding to Theresa or Susanbones here, in
any event, I think most people suspect that JKR was referring to
Lupin's speech to Harry as they stood on the wooden bridge and talked
about Harry's parents. 

> Jen: 
> And second, the lack of screen chem. between Movie!Ron and 
> Movie!Hermy. ... And three, ... Screen!Harry and Screen!Hermy do
> have real chemistry. 

bboyminn:

Just a side note based on my own shy experience, it's much easier to
be friends or friendly or at least casual and comfortable with a girl
with whom there is no chemistry. If it matters, if there is a strong
attraction or infatuation, for someone shy, that is an inhibiting
factor. That is more likely to make you keep your distance.

In my own experience, strong attraction will sometimes simulate me to
act, to approach a person, but it is far more likely to scare me off
so that I tend to stand at an unseen distance fawning and mooning over
my unapproachable love. In one particular instance, I had been mooning
over this person for months and never approached. Eventually I became
so frustrated with the complications of love, I told myself forget
this person, forget love, it's just too much misery. 

In a sense, that broke the spell, since this person no longer matter
at all to me, I had no problem approaching them and asking them to
dance the next weekend, and from there my erotic hearts desire came
true, at least for month or so, then we both moved on.

> Jen Continues:
> Not saying it will go anywhere but even when the two real life 
> people are being interviewed, they are like peas in a pod and 
> Rupert is the strong almost-silent type. I adore Rupert and was
> so thrilled he got some really good screen time in GOF and hope 
> they continue to use him but soon he's going to have to step up 
> to the plate, and it just doesn't seem that he and Emma spark. 
> Friends yes, oh yes, but that spark. 
> Don't see it. 
> Jen D.
>

bboyminn:

Regarding Ron, Dan, and Emma interviews, I think to some extent the
comfort level between Dan and Emma is as I described above, it's there
and comfortable because there is no chemestry between them. If there
was chemestry, the situation would be awkward either because they were
trying to hid it or because they were trying to deny it.

Regardning Rupert though, I see this as slightly different, although I
admit I am projecting a lot of myself on to him. Rupert doesn't do
well in interviews because, like many actors, in real-life, he is not
that self-confident. He doesn't trust his thoughts to be valid and
worthwhile. Many actors can project the impression of /cool/ while
feeling very uncool. They do much better when the lines have been
written and the responses pre-determined by the script. 

I personally don't do well in crowds. If a lot of people are around,
while I have many thoughts about the current conversation, I usually
keep silent. When the crowd is reduced, it's easier for me to jump in
with my opinions.

As I watched Rupert in the recent GoF interviews on the DVD, I thought
I recognised the expression on his face as one that I have seen on my
own. There is a certain intensity with which he watches the others and
follows what is being said. I sensed that, in his mind, he was saying
a great deal of things about the current discussion, but couldn't
bring himself to break in, and more importantly to articulate those
thought in a quick, clear, concise way. By the time he has worked up
the courage, the interview has moved on and it's too late. 

I think he needs to work on that. I think being able to /fake/ his way
through an interview, which, in a manner of speaking, is what Dan
does, is going to be important to the future of his career. No
interviewer wants to be face with a bad interviewee.

So, despite my rambling here at the end, I think in the books and in
the movies, Ron's lack of a strong connection with Hermione is a
reflection of the inhibiting effects of his attraction for here.
Harry's apparent comfort is a reflection of his lack of attraction. 

Though, I think in the books 'the spell has been broken' in that Ron
is now over the inhibition and is comfortable with is attraction to
Hermione. In a sense, it's all out in the open now. Since the comfort
level in the books is going to increase, I think the movies have to
follow suit. There are a great many subplots that have been forgotten
or warped in the movies that are likely to become very important in
later stories, then the movie makers are going to have to scramble to
figure out how to work those lost plot lines back into the movies.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn 






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 26 20:51:55 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:51:55 -0000
Subject: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <20060426033452.18910.qmail@web60911.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e2omhb+so45@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> >Hi TB1,
> >You know, it was just a gut reaction on my part. Sadly enough, I 
don't see much chemistry between "Ron and Hermy" on-screen. I 
thought the almost-handholding scene with the hippogriff was 
extremely awkward which I am sure was the way it was supposed to 
look. And you may well be right that in an extreme situation, you 
might hold anyone's hand within reach. But I just can't escape the 
chemistry screen Harry and Hermy seem to have. They are a much 
better match and I realize that is not the way the books are going 
so I don't really have anything valid to point out...
> >J>
> 
>   I agree with you about the Ron/Hermione awkwardness.  With the 
fear of the Hippogriff (minor fear yes, but potrayal of "fear" 
nonetheless) looked very deliberate, kind of mechanical like, it 
wasn't natural.  When Harry and Hermione ran through the forest 
stricken with fear or going up the stairs of the shreiking(sp?) 
shack, the physical contact seemed a lot more natural to me.  And as 
for directors playing on the chemistry, what about Newell and Goblet 
for instance.  The Harry/Hermione hug in the champions tent before 
the first task?  Ok that wasn't in the book that way.  Actually she 
was suppose to hug him and Ron after the task, but instead she 
throws herself through the curtain, out of concern for her friend of 
course, and hugs the crap out of him, and all we get for the 
Harry/Ron reunion was "Boys".  I just believe their chemistry was 
played up in the films.  Not to say that Rupert and Emma aren't 
close, they say they are, but I don't see her as physical off screen
>  with him as she is with Dan.  Then again it can be said that the 
Hermione/Ron awkwardness shows more of a possible liking toward each 
other as oppose of her easiness of being physical with Harry which 
represents friendship.
>   Funny thing is, before Prisoner, I had only watched the movies, 
never read the books.  It wasn't until Prisoner making a fan and 
Goblet the movie that made me want to read the books.  And yet, 
although I love Prisoner and have watched it an unGodly number of 
times (i'm watching it right now, on cable) I never once interpreted 
Harry and Hermiones physicalness as a possible relationship between 
the 2 characters.  I thought it was so awesome that in Goblet 
(movie) Rita Skeeter thought they were more, when it was so obvious 
they were soo not.  I knew the Ginny had to be coming, it was 
obvious although i would like it not too.lol
>   Candace
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace
> 
> "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."
> 
> "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne

And now Lauren:
Hi Candace, I, like you, was a movie fan to start, and didn't begin 
reading the series until I saw POA and just LOVED it (before that, I 
must admit in my ignorance, that I believe Harry Potter was 
children's fodder- what pish-posh!).  To be fair (and to try and 
have a small line of defense here), the previous Harry Potter movies 
*were* geared towards children.  And my friends (who were adults) 
who read the series didn't talk about it all that much with me, so I 
really didn't know what it was all about, and now I am MUCH bigger 
fans than they are.  How funny.

Anyway, back to topic, I totally agree with what you and Jen D. are 
saying here.  I feel like people who keep insisting that the hand 
holding was totally natural, totally like how the characters in the 
book are- I'm sorry, but I really just don't think so.  I think 
things are set the way they are in the movies because they 
can, 'cause it works, and it's what people want to see.  Otherwise, 
what is the point really?

I mean, we KNOW Harry and Hermione are great friends, why is it 
necessary for them to be holding hands and such?  Are we moviegoers 
so thick that we can't tell that already?  It didn't need to be in 
there, and the fact that it was, I feel, is trying to convey a 
certain message, or, as I've mentioned, take advantage of the 
undeniable *something* that these two people have that make it work.

Those of us who have read the books KNOW how the relationships are 
supposed to play out, but I feel like the movies are going to have a 
heck of a time making those non-book reading fans believe what is 
supposed to come, because of how they haven't developed certain 
things (and trust me, I know there are still some people out there!  
My husband is certainly one!).  Someone had mentioned Ginny in a 
previous post, and how in COS we saw that little hint that she had a 
crush on Harry because she freaked when she saw him eating breakfast 
in her kitchen that one morning, and then nothing for POA, and 
nothing for GOF.  Poor girl was barely worth mentioning in GOF.

Anyway, I'm loving this discussion (though missing Richard terribly 
here- his technical movie expertise is much missed!), and I really 
hope you don't get sick of me and my long-winded posts!







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 26 21:03:35 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:03:35 -0000
Subject: casting to type
In-Reply-To: <28b.9a9ea61.3180dacc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e2on77+pksj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:12:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
> Lauren  wrote:  I think the directors are using the 
> Dan, Emma & Rupert's  personalities to their advantage when they 
act 
> as their HP  characters.  I think I read a recent interview with 
> Rupert where he's  talking about "Driving Lessons", and that he 
can 
> relate to Ron much better  than to his Driving Lessons character, 
and 
> I feel that, since he's "been"  Ron since he was twelve, maybe he 
gets 
> to be an influence on how he plays  Ron, and (movie) Ron 
has "rubbed 
> off" on him too.  He and (movie) Ron  *are* growing up together!<<
>  
> What I think happened is, they cast children whose personalities 
fit the  
> characters perfectly.  I read somewhere that when JKR saw Dan and 
heard him  
> laugh, she knew he was the perfect Harry.  Rupert keeps saying 
he's a lot  like 
> Ron because of his ginger hair and the fact that both come from 
big  families 
> and both of them hate spiders.  I think those are rather silly  
reasons, myself, 
> but whatever works, right?  Emma comes across as a bit  pushy in 
interviews, 
> which equates in many ways to Hermione's bossiness.   Dan evolved 
as the true 
> leader of the trio of actors, just as Harry is the leader of the 
trio of 
> wizards.  Yes, directors are certain to use the  natural 
tendencies and affinities 
> of their cast, but a good casting director put  those actors in 
place because 
> they fit the parts.  And these three fit  their parts particularly 
well, 
> except for Emma being too pretty and Rupert not  being 
particularly tall and 
> gangly.  The twins in canon were shorter and  more solidly built, 
Ron in canon tall 
> and gangly - in the films, the twins are  the tall, gangly ones, 
but boy, do 
> they portray F&G perfectly or  what???  :-D  Kudos to the casting 
directors 
> and to David Heyman who  found Dan in a theater watching a show 
with his parents!
>  
>  
> Lynda
> 
> "The cat's among the pixies now!" Mrs. Figg,  OotP


Hi Lynda,
Lauren again.  I "hear" what you're saying here, with the children 
perfectly fitting their roles, but I think your total personality 
isn't completely developed (and stays that way) from the time you're 
eleven or whatever.  People change, sometimes slightly, sometimes 
drastically, and I'm not sure it would be entirely realistic to 
think that (for instance) Rupert Grint is the same person 
(personality-wise) now as he was when he first started filming this 
series.  He's grown, he's met a lot more people, he's visited a lot 
more places... and even if he wasn't an international celebrity, 
regular people go through changes as well.  I still stick to my 
theory that Movie!Ron has rubbed off on Rupert, at least where his 
public persona is concerned.






From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Apr 27 04:42:02 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:42:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
Message-ID: <237.a1edbe5.3181a59a@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/26/06 4:53:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com writes:


> (though missing Richard terribly 
> here- his technical movie expertise is much missed!), 

I ask this with much trepidation, but since Richard has been mentioned quite 
a few times since I joined this list may I ask why he is no longer a member?

Sandy


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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 27 16:18:03 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:18:03 -0000
Subject: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <237.a1edbe5.3181a59a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e2qqrr+du3f@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/26/06 4:53:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> laurenmcoakley at ... writes:
> 
> 
> > (though missing Richard terribly 
> > here- his technical movie expertise is much missed!), 
> 
> I ask this with much trepidation, but since Richard has been 
mentioned quite a few times since I joined this list may I ask why 
he is no longer a member?
> 
> Sandy

And now Lauren:
Hi Sandy,
You can read Richard's farewell note in post 12179.  No point in 
rehashing the whole thing, but his post pretty much says he didn't 
like it here anymore, and was leaving the group.

Though there were many things Richard has said here (and the manner 
in which he has said them) that I didn't agree with, he was very 
good at discussing the technical aspects of film.  I have no idea if 
he was an "insider" or what, but his posts (the ones on topic) could 
be pretty fascinating to read.

I have to say, what I really enjoy about this group as it is now, is 
that we can all discuss things, on topic, in a very constructive and 
creative way.  No one agrees all the time, of course, but no one 
acts as if their opinion is "better" than someone elses.  In the 
end, we agree to disagree (if that is the case) and move on.  This 
is my most favorite HPFGU group!







From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 28 01:49:34 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <1146078674.322.89175.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060428014934.3652.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>


>>I adore Rupert and was so thrilled he got some really good screen >time in GOF and hope they continue to use him but soon he's going to >have to step up to the plate, and it just doesn't seem that he and >Emma spark. Friends yes, oh yes, but that spark. Don't see it. 

>Jen D.
   
  You really think Rupert got more screen time in Goblet?  Honestly, I don?t.  Maybe it wasn?t enough for me.  Screen time, yeah he?s on there, but lines have been minimal since after SS to me.  I know it?s because of the screenwriter giving his lines away, I just don?t think there is enough when?s there is so much in the books.  I too adore Rupert, I think he?s an awesome actor.  When I read Order and Half Blood, I was praying that a lot his lines would be in the next movies. 
   

>>>Dan evolved as the true leader of the trio of actors, just as Harry >is the  leader of the trio of wizards.

>>>Harry would never  betray Ron that way, and RON is the one who was >his 'most precious" in GoF and  thus wound up underwater in the second >task!  ;->  Funny how it  wasn't Cho, who Harry had the huge crush on, >isn't it?  That just shows  Harry's great loyalty, IMO.

>Lynda
   
  Its so funny you brought this up about the leader of (characters) trio.  I?ve been debating this with my friends recently about who?s the true leader.  I know it seems obvious it should be Harry, but I don?t think he?s completely running the show.  When they are in danger, MOST of the time, yeah he is in charge.  But on a day to day, I think Harry is more incline to do whatever Ron wants, and Hermione may follow suit.  Or Harry will do mostly what Hermione wants and Ron may follow along.  This is all on a ?regular? day, if there is such a thing for these three, but when it comes down to saving the day, they are both with Harry all the way.  So who is really running the show?  I still don?t know.  It?s interesting to think about though.
  I thought that was interesting too about the how Ron was the most precious, while Cho was dangling in between Ron and Hermione in the book.  Funny thing too, he went for Ron first before Hermione.  Not to say he?s not, or they both aren?t protective over her, but I thought that was interesting too.
   
As for the discussion about the closeness of boys and girls and what it means, I know I said that it did seem odd when I first say Prisoner that 2 13 yr olds were so physical with one another. In High School at age 14, I would kiss my guys friends on the cheek everyday and hug them, but I would hold only one of the guys hands. I?m still with that guy to this very day, and we?re 29.  So it really could go both ways.




peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Apr 28 02:12:04 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:12:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Re: P.O.A Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <20060428014934.3652.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060428014934.3652.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0AD9A952-1435-416F-8468-47117A9D264A@alltel.net>


On Apr 27, 2006, at 8:49 PM, can can wrote:

>
>   You really think Rupert got more screen time in Goblet?   
> Honestly, I don?t.  Maybe it wasn?t enough for me.  Screen time,  
> yeah he?s on there, but lines have been minimal since after SS to  
> me.  I know it?s because of the screenwriter giving his lines away,  
> I just don?t think there is enough when?s there is so much in the  
> books.  I too adore Rupert, I think he?s an awesome actor.  When I  
> read Order and Half Blood, I was praying that a lot his lines would  
> be in the next movies.


kchuplis:

Yeah, but he had some of the best moments! 


From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 28 02:31:08 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: casting
In-Reply-To: <1146168613.1049.38663.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060428023108.84281.qmail@web60921.mail.yahoo.com>

>>from Lauren:
  >but I think your total personality 
>isn't completely developed (and stays that way) from the time you're 
>eleven or whatever. People change, sometimes slightly, sometimes 
>drastically, and I'm not sure it would be entirely realistic to 
>think that (for instance) Rupert Grint is the same person 
>(personality-wise) now as he was when he first started filming this 
>series. He's grown, he's met a lot more people, he's visited a lot 
>more places... and even if he wasn't an international celebrity, 
>regular people go through changes as well. I still stick to my 
>theory that Movie!Ron has rubbed off on Rupert, at least where his 
>public persona is concerned.

   
  Lauren, I completly agree with you here.  It's funny because Dan has said in the beginning he was very shy, while, if you watch Rupert in earlier interviews, he seemed very talkative, not as shy as he is now.  Also Rupert said on the DVD interview for Goblet that asking someone out in real life is scarier then doing it in the movie, but Ron freaked in the movie, so Movie!Ron has definitely rubbed off on Rupert.  It's amazing how young people can change and develop different personalities so quickly.





peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Apr 28 18:28:54 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:28:54 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <20060428014934.3652.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e2tmt6+9m38@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
> SNIPPED   
>   You really think Rupert got more screen time in Goblet?  
Honestly, I don't.  Maybe it wasn't enough for me.  Screen time, 
yeah he's on there, but lines have been minimal since after SS to 
me.  I know it's because of the screenwriter giving his lines away, 
I just don't think there is enough when's there is so much in the 
books.  I too adore Rupert, I think he's an awesome actor.  When I 
read Order and Half Blood, I was praying that a lot his lines would 
be in the next movies. > SNIPPED
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace
> 
> "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."
> 
> "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne
> 
>Jen here,
No, I don't think Rupert had enough screen time but as Karen said 
above, he got the best bits. His delivery is excellent. His timing 
is so natural and so perfect. I was pleased that he got to do some 
comedy and show his stuff, even if it weren't really enough. It was 
a welcome change from the usual wasting of his talents, as you 
mentioned since SS. I love Rupert and I just hope that the next film 
utilizes him a great deal more. 
Jen D.






From siskiou at vcem.com  Fri Apr 28 18:48:22 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:48:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <e2tmt6+9m38@eGroups.com>
References: <20060428014934.3652.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <497320331.20060428114822@vcem.com>



Hi,

Friday, April 28, 2006, 11:28:54 AM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> It was 
> a welcome change from the usual wasting of his talents, as you
> mentioned since SS. I love Rupert and I just hope that the next film
> utilizes him a great deal more. 

I still doubt this is going to happen, for the simple reason
that he isn't the main character and can't be allowed to
look better than than the hero (even if it's *just* in
acting ability). I feel he got more praise than Dan after
SS, and most of Rupert's awards are from that time.

You can see his role diminishing and changing after movie
one, and by now most viewers consider Ron a coward, even
though he does not come across as one in the books then.

Dan has gotten a lot better, but his long scenes are mostly
action, and they still don't stick with him long when it
comes to more emotional scenes, where his face is visible
(apart from long takes of him screaming in pain, in PoA and
Gof).
When they do, it's usually not considered his best scenes
(the "who am I, Hedwig" or the fake crying in PoA, for
example).

I'm afraid Rupert will have to wait until after "Harry
Potter" and I hope he isn't too type cast by then (though
her does say he enjoys comedy and seems to have great comic
timing).

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Apr 28 19:28:26 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:28:26 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert
In-Reply-To: <497320331.20060428114822@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <e2tqcq+q5dc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
SNIPPED
I (Jen D. wrote)
I love Rupert and I just hope that the next film
> > utilizes him a great deal more. 
> 
> I still doubt this is going to happen, for the simple reason
> that he isn't the main character and can't be allowed to
> look better than than the hero (even if it's *just* in
> acting ability). I feel he got more praise than Dan after
> SS, and most of Rupert's awards are from that time.
> 
> You can see his role diminishing and changing after movie
> one, and by now most viewers consider Ron a coward, even
> though he does not come across as one in the books then.
> 
> Dan has gotten a lot better, but his long scenes are mostly
> action, and they still don't stick with him long when it
> comes to more emotional scenes, where his face is visible
> (apart from long takes of him screaming in pain, in PoA and
> Gof).
> When they do, it's usually not considered his best scenes
> (the "who am I, Hedwig" or the fake crying in PoA, for
> example).
> 
> I'm afraid Rupert will have to wait until after "Harry
> Potter" and I hope he isn't too type cast by then (though
> her does say he enjoys comedy and seems to have great comic
> timing).
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>
I have heard evaluations like this before, that why should we expect 
the 2ndary characters to get any moments when this is "Harry 
Potter," not "Ron Weasley." I don't have enough experience to say 
whether this sort of thinking wins out usually. But the spirit of 
the books is very generous, giving each of the kids their own 
moments. I think a good script could do the same. You seem to be 
suggesting that a lack of faith in Dan has prevented the directors 
from allowing others to shine. I just started watching LOTR, (I know 
I am probably one of the last 3 people in the free world who hadn't 
seen it) and I am forced to admit that there is acting and then 
there is acting. Rupert has some skill and I hope you are wrong in 
asserting that he won't get to shine in the shadow of Harry. That 
wouldn't do Dan or anyone any good. 
Jen D. 






From siskiou at vcem.com  Fri Apr 28 22:52:14 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:52:14 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Utilizing Rupert
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References: <497320331.20060428114822@vcem.com> <e2tqcq+q5dc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <393909649.20060428155214@vcem.com>



Hi,

Friday, April 28, 2006, 12:28:26 PM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> Rupert has some skill and I hope you are wrong in 
> asserting that he won't get to shine in the shadow of Harry. That
> wouldn't do Dan or anyone any good. 

I have no idea about the politics behind the scenes, but it
just seemed really odd how much Ron was changed from movie
one to the subsequent ones.

One thing I'm pretty certain of is that Rupert didn't ask
the director/script writer if he could please be turned into
a whimpering coward and his lines given to other people, or
changed to fit his "new image". ;)

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Apr 28 23:18:30 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:18:30 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert
In-Reply-To: <393909649.20060428155214@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <e2u7s6+b2rb@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Friday, April 28, 2006, 12:28:26 PM, rkdas at ... wrote:
> 
> > Rupert has some skill and I hope you are wrong in 
> > asserting that he won't get to shine in the shadow of Harry. That
> > wouldn't do Dan or anyone any good. 
> 
> I have no idea about the politics behind the scenes, but it
> just seemed really odd how much Ron was changed from movie
> one to the subsequent ones.
> 
> One thing I'm pretty certain of is that Rupert didn't ask
> the director/script writer if he could please be turned into
> a whimpering coward and his lines given to other people, or
> changed to fit his "new image". ;)
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne
                           mailto:siskiou at ...
> Jen here,
No, I don't think any actor in their right mind would have wanted to 
take the road that his character's taken. I think in part the 
directing team was looking for something comic for him to do, with 
the rubber face antics. Sort of Jim Carrey-ish maybe. But it did 
backfire. They seemed to hit a more moderate note in GOF, he gets to 
be the clown but it wasn't demeaning,at least for me it was 
endearing. And granted, it wasn't much but he did shine. I didn't 
mean to imply you knew the creative team was plotting or anything 
but you weren't the first to surmise that Dan, as much as we love 
him, has room to grow. Richard, again, departed Richard was not fond 
of Dan's skill set. That's how we all got into some ridiculous Haley 
Joel Osment to-do! Ha! We are a funny bunch!
Jen D.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Apr 29 03:38:18 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:38:18 -0500
Subject: Interesting Rickman comment
Message-ID: <EC0E6715-50F5-43B1-B253-15D25F963E03@alltel.net>

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8616

"I never talk about Severus or Harry Potter, " says Rickman, "but I  
will only say the filming is going very well indeed."

I think that is great he refers to his character as "Severus". I  
think it means he *really* likes that character. It's true, I don't  
think I've ever seen him talk about his character at all, and I don't  
believe he has been in any of the DVD interviews, has he?



From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 29 16:24:22 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:24:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <1146262123.913.85086.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060429162422.88517.qmail@web60911.mail.yahoo.com>

You guys are right, Rupert as Ron did have some awesome bits in Goblet, thank goodness.  Scares me to think what they will do in HBP with Ron in love with Romilda scene, that scene has to be in there, that's an awesome bit along with some others in the next books.  Rupert in SS was the one that stood out the most in the film, that's what made me want to see the next one.  
  Susanne, you mention how now movie viewer see Ron as a coward because of his lack of lines in the movie, but that he's not really like that in the books.  I agree with you.  I never saw Ron as a coward before I picked up any of the books, but in major scenes, he's just kind of there now, not really stepping up.  Ron in SS was not a coward, scared sometimes but not a coward.  He's in Gryffindor for goodness sakes, and movie goers may not know what that means.  But my point here is, sorry to ramble lol, but that even Rupert is now saying Ron is a coward.  And it's funny because Rupert knows the books, even before he did the movies.  I think Rupert has been influence by the way THEY want him to portray his character, even though he knows better.  Also the typecasting after the HP movies.  I agree, i hope they can move on from it.  But we all have seen what happens to child stars ability to get jobs after growing up.  It's very hard, and VERY few have come out on top.  Maybe
 in Britian it will be different, but here in America, it just does not seem easy.
One last thing, Jen D, I one of the 3 who hasn't seen it, so don't feel bad!  My fiancee can't sit through an HP movie with out pointing out what JKR got from LOTR.  So i'll finally have to bit the bullet and watch them.  I just pray I don't get as obsessed as I have about the HP movies/books.LOL



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From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 30 03:58:35 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 03:58:35 -0000
Subject: Interesting Rickman comment
In-Reply-To: <EC0E6715-50F5-43B1-B253-15D25F963E03@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <e31clb+afj1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8616
> 
> "I never talk about Severus or Harry Potter, " says Rickman, "but I  
> will only say the filming is going very well indeed."
> 
> I think that is great he refers to his character as "Severus". I  
> think it means he *really* likes that character. It's true, I don't  
> think I've ever seen him talk about his character at all, and I 
don't  
> believe he has been in any of the DVD interviews, has he?
>

There is an interview on the CoS DVD.  Interestly enough, Rickman is 
in 'civilian' attire and Jason Isaacs is in his Malfoy costume for his 
interview.  Just my opinion of course but I don't think Rickman wants 
to be too identified with Snape (even though he obviously enjoys the 
role), which is probably the reason he won't talk about Snape.  The 
only other comment I recall him making is that Snape is an honorable 
man.

Lizzie Lilly







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sun Apr 30 21:34:00 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:34:00 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
Message-ID: <66.6a8b5c37.31868748@aol.com>

Susanne:


> I still doubt this is going to happen, for the simple reason
> that he isn't the main character and can't be allowed to
> look better than than the hero (even if it's *just* in
> acting ability). I feel he got more praise than Dan after
> SS, and most of Rupert's awards are from that time.
> 
> You can see his role diminishing and changing after movie
> one, and by now most viewers consider Ron a coward, even
> though he does not come across as one in the books then.


Sandy:
I think Dan and Rupert's acting was on an equal scale in the first two movies 
and that one did not outshine the other. I will agree, though, that they 
totally wasted Rupert in POA. He spent a great deal of his onscreen time 
whimpering and whining which was not at all attractive. He was great in GOF, and very 
funny at times.

Susanne:

> 
> Dan has gotten a lot better, but his long scenes are mostly
> action, and they still don't stick with him long when it
> comes to more emotional scenes, where his face is visible
> (apart from long takes of him screaming in pain, in PoA and
> Gof).
> When they do, it's usually not considered his best scenes
> (the "who am I, Hedwig" or the fake crying in PoA, for
> example).
> 
> 

Sandy:
I think Dan is a fantastic actor  -- I really do. I am so very impressed with 
him. I think he is superb both audioly and visually. I think he is great at 
facial expressions. As far as emotionally goes, I think his "who am I Hedwig" 
is beautifully done. I thought all of his emotional acting in POA was spot on. 
I have read a lot of criticism about his scene when he returns with Cedric's 
body in GOF on other lists, one person saying that he still can't cry. I have 
made a point of paying particular attention to that scene evry time I watch the 
movie and I don't find fault with it. His distress is very real, and perhaps 
crying was not the point of the scene. I think he did as well with that scene 
as any other. If you haven't guessed yet, I am as crazy about Daniel as some 
of you are about Rupert. I think Rupert is a fantastic actor too, and I think 
Emma was great in GOF. I think all three are good at what they do, and given 
the difference of their roles are pretty much equal. But I admit to being biased 
when it comes to Daniel and I think his star shines a little bit brighter.

Sandy                      




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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Apr 30 21:57:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:57:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <66.6a8b5c37.31868748@aol.com>
References: <66.6a8b5c37.31868748@aol.com>
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On Apr 30, 2006, at 4:34 PM, OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:

>
> Sandy:
> I think Dan is a fantastic actor  -- I really do. I am so very  
> impressed with
> him. I think he is superb both audioly and visually. I think he is  
> great at
> facial expressions. As far as emotionally goes, I think his "who am  
> I Hedwig"
> is beautifully done. I thought all of his emotional acting in POA  
> was spot on.
> I have read a lot of criticism about his scene when he returns with  
> Cedric's
> body in GOF on other lists, one person saying that he still can't  
> cry. I have
> made a point of paying particular attention to that scene evry time  
> I watch the
> movie and I don't find fault with it. His distress is very real,  
> and perhaps
> crying was not the point of the scene. I think he did as well with  
> that scene
> as any other.

kchuplis:

Totally agree. I can't see what more anyone would want from that  
scene in GoF. What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't  
remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.



From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Sun Apr 30 22:31:45 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:31:45 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Interesting Rickman comment
Message-ID: <24d.a95ab61.318694d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/28/06 11:39:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kchuplis at alltel.net writes:


> 
> "I never talk about Severus or Harry Potter, " says Rickman, "but I  
> will only say the filming is going very well indeed."
> 
> I think that is great he refers to his character as "Severus". I  
> think it means he *really* likes that character. It's true, I don't  
> think I've ever seen him talk about his character at all, and I don't  
> believe he has been in any of the DVD interviews, has he?
> 
> 
> 

Actually, yes he has, in either one, two or both. That's how I found out he 
was a natural blonde.

Sandy


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