From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 01:49:49 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:49:49 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What I would have done...
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On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 05:53 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:
> This is where GOF loses me. So many things
> were right, why drop the ball in the last few scenes? It is going to
> make the opening of OOTP challenging. In the last scene, Harry was
> positively serene. How are we going to transition to CAPSLOCK Harry
> without spending a lot of time setting up his isolation and the
> grief and shock he was experiencing at the end of GOF? Remember,he
> was happiest when he was with Ron and Hermione and they were talking
> and he was just sitting there. He couldn't be with others easily.
> But this Harry seemed to have managed to take it all in pretty well.
> They are going to do some fancy footwork to get us an angry Harry.
>

I can understand their dilemma. Even though it's an ongoing story, they 
try to keep the movies somewhat self contained and not have carry over 
payoffs (for instance, we know they are including the St. Mungo stuff 
in OoTP because it looks like Lockhart is back, but they didn't punch 
up Harry knowing Neville's parents are there for crucio induced 
insanity - leading to the big punch of Neville's character in OoTP). I 
suppose they wanted "closure". But it seems to me, when the franchise 
is very much established that they could risk a little bit of openness. 
It worked for Spiderman. Really the only disappointing aspect for me 
(and I can really get over it) but dang they COULD have done it!!!




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 02:04:11 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:04:11 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What I would have done...REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <drp22u+tmjr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <09239C64-92C7-11DA-9C1D-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 07:15 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at a...> wrote:
>
>  On the other list, there is a hot debate going on
> (well, maybe not hot but very interesting!) that Harry doesn't show
> enough emotion in the books over the deaths he has to face, but that
> would be easily argued in the films. Death is messy, not easy to
> talk about but we needed more evidence that Harry had gone through a
> nightmarish experience. Would you have Harry in the hospital but no
> dialog? Just DD explaining to the whole school? Sort of a tableau?

I can picture the eulogy scene with Ron and Hermione there and paralell 
editing in of Harry in the hospital ward with DD's eulogy being heard 
over it all. Picture the hall, DD's words, cut to Harry staring, 
thinking, Molly sitting there by his bedside, but she thinks he is 
sleeping, his back to her, but we see him thinking, cut back to the 
hall, panning in on Ron and Hermione, cut back to Harry, finally 
succumbing  to sleep as eulogy finishes (If there is one thing Dan 
Radcliffe does *really* well it's let you know what is going on in his 
head without saying a word), fade to Harry in the tower dorm with DD.

> Jen again,
> I thought at turns that Harry's almost chipper reply to Hermy was
> either just the right touch or horribly out of context. I think he,
> yes, he should have been a bit more on the thoughtful side.

I think I'd be just fine with that, if (IMO this was the "out of 
context" thing) they had snipped that darned dialogue about writing 
each other. They could have then gotten (again,IMO) more mileage out of 
Harry saying Hagrid's bit about "we just have to face what comes". Just 
a bit more solemnity would have been nice. I personally think the suits 
probably didn't want the ending too "down" and that accounts for the 
tone of that bit.

>  But not
> hopeless. Someone who used to write here but has left our number
> said once that he (hint about who it was!) was just thankful that
> Hagrid didn't utter the "We'll meet it when it comes..." line. I'm
> not so sure. That line could have been uttered by an adult with
> faith in DD and done with believability. Harry doesn't have the
> history to utter that sort of thing. He has no idea how bad it was
> before. I would have liked to have that line remain.

I think it could have worked with Harry. After all, the line he has is 
the rework of Hagrid's dialogue. I think it especially could have 
worked if, as I described above, we had seen Harry spending that time 
in the Hospital ward. I mean, we are talking barely adding seconds (and 
actually not adding if you are clipping some of the other dialogue I 
talked about) to the running time. Ah well. What might have been :D
>
>
> For all Chris's faults, he gave us an ending on both his films and I
> will admit unashamedly that I liked most of his choices. Don't flame
> me but I could have done without the little Jason Issacs/Dan
> repartee but that's just me.
> Jen


Oo. I really liked that. In CoS you mean? Well, actually, Jason Issacs 
is so delightfully slimy in an elegant way, I don't like the idea of 
cutting anything he has done. I also think that you need the bit in the 
beginning of GoF, because, I don't know how really well it will stick 
with people that he was in the graveyard otherwise (Feinnes is 
SOOOOOOOO overwhelmingly evil in that scene that it's really indelibly 
left in your head and the DE's are a little occluded). I really like 
the punch in the gut you get when Harry first sees him again in OoTP. 
We need that background for the movies too.

kchuplis




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 02:58:27 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:58:27 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What I would have done...REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <drp6d1+3l2h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9E515C00-92CE-11DA-A9DC-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 08:28 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> Movie Harry has a standard to bear. He is a hero. He can get
> a little lost but he can not have the sort of moment of
> vulnerability that Book Harry had in the hospital wing. Actually,
> his moment with DD, all too brief as it was, did give Dan a chance
> to be pensive, thoughtful and perhaps not too confident.
> The "friends" thing, that must be the thing that bucked him up. See,
> if we just parse this out enough, we can get into their heads. I
> jest, of course.
> Jen D.

But I do think that all still would have been there and still set up 
capslock!Harry better. Also, it would have been acceptable, to me at 
least as far as being upbeat because after the graveyard and ensuing 
denouement, well, just about anything would have appeared cheerful and 
upbeat. I think even movie heros can appear vulnerable. In fact, it 
makes them more heroic!

kchuplis




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Feb  1 03:49:52 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:49:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cut scenes
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On Jan 31, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Karen wrote:

> So here's a question on the DVD. If the rumors are true that they'll  
> add
>  back in some scenes, do you suppose the "losing the egg on the stair  
> will be
>  one? It looks like they filmed it:
>
> http://gallery.potter-mania.com/details.php? 
> image_id=1112&sessionid=d3e2973a246afb4296eaf5b7eb844320
>
I love that scene in the book. I hope they add it back in. It gives  
Snape some screen time. I can't tell in that pic if Harry is in the  
hallway or walking into the prefect's bathroom? What is that at the top  
of the stairs?
Val


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Feb  1 03:38:08 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:38:08 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has received a nomination for an 
Academy Award, in the category of Art Direction. Congratulations to 
Stuart Craig (Art Direction) and Stephenie McMillan (Set Decoration)! 
This is Mr. Craig's eighth Oscar nomination, and Ms. McMillan's third.
Yay, GOF!!! I hope they win. They deserve it.
I'm somewhat surprised GOF didn't get nominated for Visual Effects, 
though the other 3 movies that were, were quite good as well (King 
King; War of the Worlds; Narnia).
Valerie

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 05:55:29 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:55:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cut scenes
In-Reply-To: <f0808b82644fc6f601fed214d8b2753a@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5925C168-92E7-11DA-8414-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I think it must be in the prefects bathroom. I was thinking it was on 
the staircase where he gets stuck. But it is too marbley.

On Tuesday, January 31, 2006, at 09:49 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> I love that scene in the book. I hope they add it back in. It gives
> Snape some screen time. I can't tell in that pic if Harry is in the
> hallway or walking into the prefect's bathroom? What is that at the top
> of the stairs?
> Val




From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Feb  1 12:04:10 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:04:10 -0000
Subject: What I would have done...REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <9E515C00-92CE-11DA-A9DC-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <drq83q+lclr@eGroups.com>

Karen wrote:> But I do think that all still would have been there and 
still set up 
> capslock!Harry better. Also, it would have been acceptable, to me at 
> least as far as being upbeat because after the graveyard and ensuing 
> denouement, well, just about anything would have appeared cheerful 
and 
> upbeat. I think even movie heros can appear vulnerable. In fact, it 
> makes them more heroic!
> 
> kchuplis
> 
Hey,
I completely agree, that vulnerable heros are better and I have to 
correct myself, that Harry was vulnerable in this film. The return 
scene was a great mix of heroism and vulnerability. But BookHarry gets 
to be more human on the whole, don't you think?
Jen D







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 14:36:14 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 08:36:14 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What I would have done...REVISITED!
References: <drq83q+lclr@eGroups.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "susanbones2003" <rkdas at charter.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:04 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What I would have done...REVISITED!


> Karen wrote:> But I do think that all still would have been there and
> still set up
> > capslock!Harry better. Also, it would have been acceptable, to me at
> > least as far as being upbeat because after the graveyard and ensuing
> > denouement, well, just about anything would have appeared cheerful
> and
> > upbeat. I think even movie heros can appear vulnerable. In fact, it
> > makes them more heroic!
> >
> > kchuplis
> >
> Hey,
> I completely agree, that vulnerable heros are better and I have to
> correct myself, that Harry was vulnerable in this film. The return
> scene was a great mix of heroism and vulnerability. But BookHarry gets
> to be more human on the whole, don't you think?
> Jen D
>
Oh, I don't know about that necessarily. I guess the main thing is that
everything that *IS* action adventure in the books is made more gigantic in
the films. You know, sfx moments. Buckbeak doesn't just soar around the
paddock but flies across the lake. The dragon fight scene was multiplied by
10 in the movie. Stuff like that. Maybe that is why he seems more heroic on
screen.





From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  1 17:35:21 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:35:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <0ca7d0adad6ab1d3dcd4d86c62735d5c@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20060201173521.89710.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>

harry potter only one nomination ? what up with that!!! something wrong here.........
  

Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
  Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has received a nomination for an 
Academy Award, in the category of Art Direction. Congratulations to 
Stuart Craig (Art Direction) and Stephenie McMillan (Set Decoration)! 
This is Mr. Craig's eighth Oscar nomination, and Ms. McMillan's third.
Yay, GOF!!! I hope they win. They deserve it.
I'm somewhat surprised GOF didn't get nominated for Visual Effects, 
though the other 3 movies that were, were quite good as well (King 
King; War of the Worlds; Narnia).
Valerie

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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  1 19:29:16 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:29:16 -0000
Subject: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <20060201173521.89710.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at v...> wrote:
>   Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire has received a nomination 
for an 
> Academy Award, in the category of Art Direction. Congratulations 
to 
> Stuart Craig (Art Direction) and Stephenie McMillan (Set 
Decoration)! 
> This is Mr. Craig's eighth Oscar nomination, and Ms. McMillan's 
third.
> Yay, GOF!!! I hope they win. They deserve it.
> I'm somewhat surprised GOF didn't get nominated for Visual 
Effects, 
> though the other 3 movies that were, were quite good as well (King 
> King; War of the Worlds; Narnia).
> Valerie

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mike Daron 
<mike4521daron at y...> wrote:
>
> harry potter only one nomination ? what up with that!!! something 
wrong here.........

And now Lauren:
Well, I was reading up on what film companies are allowed and what 
they aren't allowed to do to "sway" Academy members to vote and 
nominate their movies (such as giving them free movie tickets, free 
music cds, free DVDs, etc, which, they are allowed to do!)..  My 
guess is that WB wasn't pushing GoF as much as some of their other 
films, like Charlie & Chocolate Facotry, Batman Begins, Syriana...






From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Feb  1 20:51:07 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:51:07 -0000
Subject: REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <drr6sp+ms6r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <drr6vr+t6jq@eGroups.com>

> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at a...>
wrote:
> > SNIPPED CAREFULLY!
> > Jen wrote:
> > > >  But BookHarry gets> > to be more human on the whole, don't
> you
> > think?
> > > > Jen D
>
>
> > > THEN Karen wrote:>
> > > Oh, I don't know about that necessarily. I guess the main
thing
> is> that> > everything that *IS* action adventure in the books is
> made more > gigantic in
> > > the films. You know, sfx moments. Buckbeak doesn't just soar
> > around the
> > > paddock but flies across the lake. The dragon fight scene was
> > multiplied by
> > > 10 in the movie. Stuff like that. Maybe that is why he seems
> more
> > heroic on
> > > screen.
> >
> > Jen again:
> > I guess what I mean is that BOOKHarry is a fuller, more rounded
> > person. And that's setting up a straw man I know. Film and books
> are
> > different. I was pleased this time that Harry got to fumble over
> > himself concerning girls. That's a very cinematic part of Harry
so
> I
> > am not surprised we got to see him dribble his juice or stutter
> > talking to Cho. And I do know they spend a good amount of time
> > trying to let Dan's eyes do the talking. Hey, it's all good. I
> guess
> > in my heart I just want more movie for more
> exposition.
> > But exposition, well, it's not cinematic, is it?
> > Jen D







From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Wed Feb  1 21:11:56 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:11:56 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <drr86s+k2b1@eGroups.com>

May a mere male say a couple of things:

The way posters include the text of previous messages from other
posters is inconsistent and very confusing.

Those comments about Harry in the bathroom seemed very odd to me at
the time but I put them down to a different way of thinking in the US.
Here in the UK I doubt very much whether anyone would have made them.
Since they were made I've taken the point that some of them were
approaching what we would think of as indications of paedophilia.
Maybe we're too sensitive about the subject here, but that is how some
of it looked.

Then there's a question:

One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb  1 21:50:18 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:50:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
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From: "joxy" <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk>

>
> Then there's a question:
>
> One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
> stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
> material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
> Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?
>

kchuplis:

I actually went through, book by book with the LOTR books and the extended
versions of the movies. There was little, if any, inventing that I recall.
There were definitely giving characters that never appear in the movies but
do in the books to other characters. And there was a lot of scene shifting.
I have to say, that I'm pretty happy with most of what has translated to the
movies for HP. Of course, the first two movies were quite close as the books
were short enough to really remain faithful to. I don't quite understand why
they left the Lucias and Draco in Knockturn Alley  that the filmed out of
CoS because it wouldn't have added much runtime and it gave a real reason
for us even going to Knockturn Alley. Instead, Harry just missed the exit,
as it were.

Now PoA they had to start doing a lot more squeezing, trimming and therefore
shifting. I think it's too bad they left the Firebolt to the end instead of
keeping it where it was, but then again, I don't think they wanted to have
to go to another quidditch match (the main reason it's left to the end IMO).
I am not sure why Hermione was not included in the dementors by the lake
scene, other than to emphasize Harry with Sirius - The Growing Relationship.
My main beef with PoA the movie was that they never made it clear that
Lupin, Sirius, Peter and James were Mssrs. Mooney, Padfoot, Wormtail and
Prongs. They only would have had to put a bit of dialogue in Lupin's mouth
at the end like "I don't feel guilty giving you back this map, Harry. I know
you realize that James was Prongs now, and that I, Sirius and Peter were
Mooney, Padfoot and Prongs. I think James would like you having this map."
or something similar. Instead, it's a bit puzzling for folks who haven't
read the books when GoF starts out with LV calling Peter "Wormtail" since he
was always referred to (or overwhelmingly, I certainly don't remember him
being called Wormtail much if at all) in PoA.





From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Feb  1 21:57:11 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:57:11 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] cut scenes
Message-ID: <2dc.189da37.311288b7@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 2/1/2006 3:21:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I'd seen  that pic and like you, hope it has something to do with 
losing the egg on  the stairs. Whatever they do, it seems the scenes in 
COS that they cut out  actually help the cohesiveness of the film. ABC 
showed COS during  Christmas with the deleted scenes inserted and I 
thought they were great.  ABC also does that with SS. I can't remember 
enough of POA right now, at  least the deleted scenes to comment on 
that. If there is a "director's  cut" though, it would only make sense 
to have additional footage, ala  LOTR's special edition. Something for 
the diehard fans.
Jen D.  


David Heyman, I believe it was, said there won't be any "directors'  cuts" to 
the HP films because the films shown in the theaters are the films as  the 
directors wanted them (yeah, right!!).  I hope they include the deleted  scenes 
in a special set of DVDs when all the films are out -- I'll betcha that's  
what they're going to do to force us to buy new sets of  DVD's.

 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Wed Feb  1 23:15:07 2006
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 23:15:07 +0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises
In-Reply-To: <000e01c625de$81c42280$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <000e01c625de$81c42280$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>

I too have been trying to stay out of this, but silence can be 
interpreted as ambivalence or acquiescence,  so I'll say my piece.

A few quiet words about Netiquette:-

- If you object to something which has been said in a public forum 
like this, the mature thing to do is to object to the remarks, not to 
make personal comments about the writer.

- If someone has objected to something that you have said and you 
feel moved to respond, extreme defensiveness can sound like a guilty 
conscience.

- Objections have already been raised to those who either are new to 
the list or who normally lurk and who suddenly appear on the board 
making derogatory comments about other list members. I won't add to 
the objections except to say that Netiquette is like etiquette; if 
you're the new kid on the block, it behoves you to be courteous to 
long-term residents.

On the original subject in question, my opinion is that these 
comments are just not appropriate in a public forum. My eldest boy is 
twelve years old, and I would not like to read such remarks about him 
now or in four years' time. I do not pass judgement on anyone for 
making the comments, and I recognise the principle of freedom of 
speech, but there are limits as to what ought to be said. It is 
particularly difficult in such a public medium as the Internet to 
know how your remarks will be interpreted...or misinterpreted...by 
your readers. It is easy to be deceived into thinking that, because 
we share a common interest on the list, that we also have similar 
life experiences; but a remark which is innocuous for a happy, 
well-adjusted person may be devastating for someone with a more 
unfortunate past. Discretion is always the best policy.

No, it would not be acceptable for the men on the list to start 
making similar comments about any of the young actresses.

And no, you were not talking about Harry Potter, you were talking 
about Dan Radcliffe, and there's a difference.

Cheers,
Nicholas
I am typing this on Tuesday but will wait for a day before sending 
it. I always think it's a good idea not to hit the 'send' button when 
one is upset or angry, don't you?



From agdisney at msn.com  Thu Feb  2 00:49:00 2006
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:49:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OoTP cuts
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  On 1/30/06, Karen Chuplis <kchuplis at alltel.net<mailto:kchuplis at alltel.net>> wrote:
  >
  > I am wondering what kind of important cuts will be made. What are some
  > thoughts that others have?


  This isn't essential to the overall plot, but I wonder if they'll keep the
  storyline about Ron making the Quidditch team.
  And they better not take out the DADA classes by Harry!
  I also wonder how much of the storyline with Umbridge they'll keep - such as
  the teacher evaluations and the confrontation with Trelawney being sacked.
  Krista


  Andie:
  I'm sure they will drop Quidditch since after GOF they said 
  no more Quidditch.
  As long as they don't get rid of the twins departure and
  Umbridge with the centaurs I'll be happy

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 00:49:45 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:49:45 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises
In-Reply-To: <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>
Message-ID: <CE302BE1-9385-11DA-81D8-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 05:15 PM, nicholas dean wrote:
>
>
> - If someone has objected to something that you have said and you
> feel moved to respond, extreme defensiveness can sound like a guilty
> conscience.
>

I suppose you are referring to me. The problem here is that I see it as 
calling a spade a spade when someone makes ridiculous accusations. 
That's a nice card to call, but there is also an awful lot of cowardice 
in just letting someone say whatever they like about other posters.

- Objections have already been raised to those who either are new to
> the list or who normally lurk and who suddenly appear on the board
> making derogatory comments about other list members. I won't add to
> the objections except to say that Netiquette is like etiquette; if
> you're the new kid on the block, it behoves you to be courteous to
> long-term residents.

Again I suppose you mean me. It's free forum and I didn't feel that I 
was saying anything in trying to point out the fallacies of the 
accusation. If there is some time requirement to respond just what is 
the magic number? Honestly, what amazes me most is that I've been 
interested in discussing *the movies*, the soundtrack etc. and it took 
until now for people to even consider responding to those.  Where is 
your response on those threads?

>
> On the original subject in question, my opinion is that these
> comments are just not appropriate in a public forum. My eldest boy is
> twelve years old, and I would not like to read such remarks about him
> now or in four years' time.

I don't believe ANYone was referring to a 12 y.o. but a 15-16  y.o. and 
the fact is, he's handsome as Harry. You are going to have a fit if 
someone tells you that your 15 y.o. boy is really getting to be a 
looker (which, find me ONE of those posts that said anything BUT that)? 
Good lord I can remember hearing comments like that to my folks or even 
to me from family friends and no one was attacking me or luring me off 
behind a building.  I can, however, tell you many a comment that a 15 
y.o. BOY said to me that made me highly uncomfortable. Go back and read 
Steve's post which made a heck of a lot more sense. I suppose you think 
we are jumping out of bushes at young men too.  "Come heeere little 
boy". The reason I'm responding to this stuff is because it's over 
sensitivity such as the original accuser started on that detracts from 
REAL problems.To me it's just like the sudden taboo of wishing someone 
Merry Christmas. Outrageous worry of political correctness.  If you 
agree that saying "oo, he looks rugged" or my comment of "that is such 
a man moment" or let's see, I believe someone said their heart went 
pitterpat (yeah, that's really sexual there) are so unseemly I can't 
imagine the reality you folks live in.   I'm not a psychologist, but I 
actually have met a pedophile and he didn't talk like that, believe me. 
The red flags that guy sent up were frightening to even an adult woman. 
  I really, really find it hard to believe that the comments in that 
thread are "red flags".

> I do not pass judgement on anyone for
> making the comments,

I believe you just have with this post.

> and I recognise the principle of freedom of
> speech, but there are limits as to what ought to be said. It is
> particularly difficult in such a public medium as the Internet to
> know how your remarks will be interpreted...or misinterpreted...by
> your readers. It is easy to be deceived into thinking that, because
> we share a common interest on the list, that we also have similar
> life experiences; but a remark which is innocuous for a happy,
> well-adjusted person may be devastating for someone with a more
> unfortunate past. Discretion is always the best policy.

Oh, it's ok for you to dictate what we should or should not say or for 
her to cast a pretty grievous accusation onto others, but for me to 
point out that she over reacted is taboo. That's interesting.  Once 
again, find a post that said anything more than admiration or indicated 
some kind of evil intent when she posted her complaint.

>
> No, it would not be acceptable for the men on the list to start
> making similar comments about any of the young actresses.

Again, go back and read the posts up to that comment.
>
> And no, you were not talking about Harry Potter, you were talking
> about Dan Radcliffe, and there's a difference.

Sorry, I've seen Dan in interviews and he is very nice and very giddy 
and not appealing like Harry is.  We were talking about a movie 
character.  I'm now bowing out of this thread forever but it would sure 
be nice if people decided to actually post to the discussions I've 
posted that I really AM interested in like what do you think will be in 
OoTP or what will be cut, what would make sense to keep or how GoF was 
handled or perhaps post on my comments in the soundtrack thread. I 
might believe you are more interested in the subject of the list then 
overreacting to the palpitations of we middle aged ladies.

Sorry elves. Please let me know if you want me to leave the list 
because I chose to defend what was a completely innocent thread. I'm 
not sorry for being offended that criminal accusations were being 
thrown around. This has gone on too long and it probably IS my fault 
but I get really angry when people suggest I'm some kind of child 
stealer.  (and to the British lady who posted earlier, NO not ALL 
Americans - probably not even a few Americans- considered that fodder 
pedophilia.) 




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 01:09:04 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:09:04 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OoTP cuts
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV147535B84EB9DA212C7AFCCF0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <809DD7B0-9388-11DA-81D8-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 06:49 PM, Andrea Grevera wrote:

>
>
>   On 1/30/06, Karen Chuplis 
> <kchuplis at alltel.net<mailto:kchuplis at alltel.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering what kind of important cuts will be made. What are some
>> thoughts that others have?
>
>
>   This isn't essential to the overall plot, but I wonder if they'll 
> keep the
>   storyline about Ron making the Quidditch team.
>   And they better not take out the DADA classes by Harry!
>   I also wonder how much of the storyline with Umbridge they'll keep - 
> such as
>   the teacher evaluations and the confrontation with Trelawney being 
> sacked.
>   Krista
>
>
>   Andie:
>   I'm sure they will drop Quidditch since after GOF they said
>   no more Quidditch.
>   As long as they don't get rid of the twins departure and
>   Umbridge with the centaurs I'll be happy
>

I'm thinking the sacking will stay in as it seems to be a building 
moment and we know they've hired Emma Thompson back.  Plus, I think it 
is rather important in that Dumbledore does NOT want her outside of the 
protective walls of the castle (for the reasons we know at the end. 
She'd have been dead in a day). I can only hope that CGI Firenze is 
MUCH better than the one in the first movie.

  I think DADA is safe (although not Marietta. Apparently some other 
character will become the snitch).  It's rather the same function as 
the Tri-wizard tournament in GoF, the "central device" as it were and 
the reason DD gets tossed out. I don't think it will be as big of a 
deal, but Ron will probably play quidditch because it's a big deal when 
Umbridge bans Harry and the twins. That's the twins ticket out (and I 
can't see them passing up the one real sfx scene of fireworks going off 
in the school - easily the least expensive sfx they would have to do.)




From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  2 04:49:20 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:49:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises
In-Reply-To: <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>
Message-ID: <20060202044920.54707.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  Dear Nicholas,
   
  I think that you said this very elequently. I am sorry that I called names. You are right. I should not have done that. Your empathy for others is wonderful. You are really able to see both sides of a disagreement. 
   
  It was nice to know that I was not the only one feeling uncomfortable about the thread. I agree with you that silence can seem like condoning. 
   
  I joined this list because I find the Harry Potter books and movies wonderful and fascinating. RKR has a great way of captivating the imagination. I am quite a fan of hers. 
  

nicholas dean <nicholas at adelanta.co.uk> wrote:
  I too have been trying to stay out of this, but silence can be 
interpreted as ambivalence or acquiescence,  so I'll say my piece.

A few quiet words about Netiquette:-

- If you object to something which has been said in a public forum 
like this, the mature thing to do is to object to the remarks, not to 
make personal comments about the writer.

- If someone has objected to something that you have said and you 
feel moved to respond, extreme defensiveness can sound like a guilty 
conscience.

- Objections have already been raised to those who either are new to 
the list or who normally lurk and who suddenly appear on the board 
making derogatory comments about other list members. I won't add to 
the objections except to say that Netiquette is like etiquette; if 
you're the new kid on the block, it behoves you to be courteous to 
long-term residents.

On the original subject in question, my opinion is that these 
comments are just not appropriate in a public forum. My eldest boy is 
twelve years old, and I would not like to read such remarks about him 
now or in four years' time. I do not pass judgement on anyone for 
making the comments, and I recognise the principle of freedom of 
speech, but there are limits as to what ought to be said. It is 
particularly difficult in such a public medium as the Internet to 
know how your remarks will be interpreted...or misinterpreted...by 
your readers. It is easy to be deceived into thinking that, because 
we share a common interest on the list, that we also have similar 
life experiences; but a remark which is innocuous for a happy, 
well-adjusted person may be devastating for someone with a more 
unfortunate past. Discretion is always the best policy.

No, it would not be acceptable for the men on the list to start 
making similar comments about any of the young actresses.

And no, you were not talking about Harry Potter, you were talking 
about Dan Radcliffe, and there's a difference.

Cheers,
Nicholas
I am typing this on Tuesday but will wait for a day before sending 
it. I always think it's a good idea not to hit the 'send' button when 
one is upset or angry, don't you?


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From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  2 04:57:31 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:57:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
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I was confused as to the addition of that since it was not in the book, but I thought that it was put in because Snape did not have as much to do in the movie as the book or that it was showing how the kids spent some of there time in school. In a way, I can see Snape doing something like that.
  

joxy <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk> wrote:  Then there's a question:

One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?






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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 08:18:37 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:18:37 -0000
Subject: Cuts and Bruises - Netiquette & Knowing When
In-Reply-To: <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>
Message-ID: <drsf8t+qarq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas dean <nicholas at ...> wrote:
>
> I too have been trying to stay out of this, but silence can be 
> interpreted as ambivalence or acquiescence,  so I'll say my piece.
> 
> A few quiet words about Netiquette:-
> 
> - If you object to something which has been said in a public 
> forum like this, the mature thing to do is to object to the 
> remarks, not to make personal comments about the writer.
> 
> - If someone has objected to something that you have said and
> you feel moved to respond, extreme defensiveness can sound like
> a guilty conscience.
> 
> - Objections have already been raised to those who either are new to 
> the list or who normally lurk and who suddenly appear on the board 
> making derogatory comments about other list members. ...
> 
> On the original subject in question, my opinion is that these 
> comments are just not appropriate in a public forum. ...edited...
> 
> Cheers,
> Nicholas


bboyminn:

This is not directed at Nicholas, but at the board and the 'Net in
general. 

Another very effective and important 'rule' of Netiquette is knowing
when to walk away. 

In this case, the orginal objector felt uncomfortable by remarks and
was free to place those objections. I may disagree with form, but the
function was certainly valid. Others including myself countered those
objections in a variety of ways. Personally, I tried to establish a
reasonable and balanced perspective. However that does not invalidate
the feeling of the orignial objector; she felt what she felt, and her
feelings are valid by nothing more than the fact that she genuinely
felt them. Most of the rest of us did not feel that way, and those
feelings are equally valid.

However, both side have more than made their point, each side is
firmly entrenched in their view and seem unmovable. Therefore,
continuation of the discussion in the line it is now on can only lead
to problems. Problems like straying from the central point of this
discussion group, personal attacks, overstated opinions fueled by
impressions of hurt feelings, etc..., etc..., etc....

The orginal poster made her objections clear, and we reasonably need
to consider those objections. Others countered with attempts at
balance and perspective, and those opinions need to be considered.
Each side has had their say, and made their position clear. I feel
that any further discussion can only lead down hill, and create ill
and hostile feelings among members.

The subject at hand is movies, tangental discussions are allowed but
there is a limit to how tangental they can become before they need to
move to another forum.

For the sake of good feelings and the camaraderie of all members, I
suggest we move on. 

I see no reason for members NOT to be able to express their admiration
for the beauty of the cast members of the HP movies, but would suggest
that they try to keep it within polite boundaries. Which, by the way,
I personally thought they did.

I see no reason why one member should not be free to express feeling
of uncomfortableness with others expressions of beauty directed at the
cast members. But that person should remember that they are only one
voice among thousands, and shouldn't expect their opinion to dictate
the actions of others; influence-yes, dictate-no.

Further, in expressing ourselves, let's not let hyperbole and
exaggeration take control of our statements. While it is inappropriate
to truly 'lust' after HP cast members, let us also not forget that
they are 16,  17, and 18 years old, and are beyond the age of consent
in the country in which they live. Given this, I would personally
consider accusations of 'pedophilia' to be hyperbole and exaggeration,
and can't blame people for taking offense.

So, in the simplest terms; we've all had our say more than once, and
both side have been clearly expressed, now it is time to let it go and
get back to the central theme of this discussion group.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 11:58:06 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 06:58:06 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <20060201173521.89710.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060201173521.89710.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3770113929dad8e2b1a3cc4e8d2e2d33@verizon.net>

On Feb 1, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Mike Daron wrote:

> harry potter only one nomination ? what up with that!!! something 
> wrong here.........

I know...maybe if Ron and Harry had shown some sexual interest in each 
other...?! KIDDING...Just kidding!!!!! Don't want 10,000 e-mails back 
from this! Just making a bad joke about Brokeback Mountain (which got 
all the nominations, and which, by the way, was a very good movie!) and 
the other Transexual movie which also got many accolades...
Still, I thought GOF was an outstanding movie; quite the cinematic 
achievement.
Valerie


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From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Feb  2 12:04:21 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:04:21 -0000
Subject: OoTP cuts
In-Reply-To: <809DD7B0-9388-11DA-81D8-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <drssg5+1rr1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
SNIPPED> >
> >   Andie:
> >   I'm sure they will drop Quidditch since after GOF they said
> >   no more Quidditch.
> >   As long as they don't get rid of the twins departure and
> >   Umbridge with the centaurs I'll be happy
> >
>SNIPPED AGAIN

I think at the very least they have to have quidditch going on off 
screen. Grawp was revealved during Ron's triumphant quidditch match. 
I'm thinking they'll have to have Harry and the twins banned "after" a 
match is finished. The meanie Slyths can be singing "Weasley is our 
king" on the way out to the pitch for Ron's match. Then Harry and 
Hermione can do their gig in the forest with Quidditch off-camera. But 
that's just my idea. They can, and have totally re-worked stuff before!
Jen D>







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:13:59 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:13:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <drqu2l+ciku@eGroups.com>
References: <drqu2l+ciku@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4e1862872b95163d92e656f9c6c2f6af@verizon.net>

>  Jen again:
>  I guess what I mean is that BOOKHarry is a fuller, more rounded
>  person. And that's setting up a straw man I know. Film and books are
>  different. I was pleased this time that Harry got to fumble over
>  himself concerning girls. That's a very cinematic part of Harry so I
>  am not surprised we got to see him dribble his juice or stutter
>  talking to Cho. And I do know they spend a good amount of time
>  trying to let Dan's eyes do the talking. Hey, it's all good. I guess
>  in my heart I just want more movie to be able to to the exposition.
>  But exposition, well, it's not cinematic, is it?
>  Jen D
>

I have been listening to COS on tape in my car on the way to/from work. 
That Jim Dale is GENIUS!!! The way his voice embodies each character. 
Brilliant! And yes, the books take their time to build characters, and 
storylines. That's what is so nice about that medium.
But the way the characters have brought said books to life, is also 
invaluable...I always envision the actors now when I read or listen.
That said, did it bug anyone else that they turned Filch into a buffoon 
in GOF? What was that about? Wonder if the director transferred Ron's 
'silly sidekick mugging' to Filch? I preferred Ron's more dimensional 
characterization in this film. Perhaps the director was concerned that 
GOF was so dark that it needed some comic relief? [this was 
particularly apparent to me after listening to COS, where Filch is 
soooo mean to the kids].
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:16:23 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:16:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <drr26c+vlv2@eGroups.com>
References: <drr26c+vlv2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <9ca7ea56b9b63835733d918a9cd40d87@verizon.net>

>  And now Lauren:
>  Well, I was reading up on what film companies are allowed and what
>  they aren't allowed to do to "sway" Academy members to vote and
>  nominate their movies (such as giving them free movie tickets, free
>  music cds, free DVDs, etc, which, they are allowed to do!)..? My
>  guess is that WB wasn't pushing GoF as much as some of their other
>  films, like Charlie & Chocolate Facotry, Batman Begins, Syriana...
>
Well they'd be fools not to push GOF, as it is the 7th highest grossing 
movie of all time!!!
Val


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:26:01 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:26:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Directors ad-libbing book material
In-Reply-To: <drr86s+k2b1@eGroups.com>
References: <drr86s+k2b1@eGroups.com>
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On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:11 PM, joxy wrote:
> <big snip...yes, I'm NOT going there again!...V>

>  One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
>  stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
>  material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
>  Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?

...Much more interesting topic, ya'll!!! :-)
I was thinking of this last night, as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, 
but the dance practice scene with McGonegal and the boys on one side, 
girls on the other, is NOT in the book, right? I thought that was a 
terrific scene. Really bringing home the theme (started in POA) that 
the kids are growing up, becoming interested and very awkward, around 
the opposite sex. I love the joking between Harry and the twins (oh, 
wait, that's what started the whole conversation down the slippery 
slope of debauchery, yes? Cute Dan with the steri-strips on his face? 
Yikes! Can't get away from it!!!)
ANYHOW, that scene just rang really true to me; very well acted on 
everyone's part.
The Snape scene may have been a bit over the top, but did generate 
laughs and comic relief, which I believe, was it's intent.
Val


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:32:12 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:32:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] book vs. movie
In-Reply-To: <000601c62779$7e5fee20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <drr86s+k2b1@eGroups.com>
 <000601c62779$7e5fee20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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>  kchuplis:
> <snip> Now PoA they had to start doing a lot more squeezing, trimming 
> and therefore
>  shifting...... Instead, it's a bit puzzling for folks who haven't
>  read the books when GoF starts out with LV calling Peter "Wormtail" 
> since he
>  was always referred to (or overwhelmingly, I certainly don't remember 
> him
>  being called Wormtail much if at all) in PoA.

Ya know, I think the only people who WOULD'VE called him Wormtail, 
which was his nickname, would be Sirius, James and Remus. And how about 
when Wormtail says "...Lord Voldemort". He, of all people, would NEVER 
dare speak his name...he always called him "My Lord", in the books. 
But, of course, this was for clarification in the movie. Who's in the 
chair? Who's that guy hovering? And who's the darn guy with the black 
hair, who WASN'T there in the book? Sigh...I know, I know. It's all 
about consolidation.
Val


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:40:40 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:40:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises
In-Reply-To: <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>
References: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <000e01c625de$81c42280$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
 <p06110403c005954fbfb5@[217.154.251.114]>
Message-ID: <b6cf2894504750f9c34cba83cc81fcb3@verizon.net>

I'll just say... because I guess this whole conversation bothers me 
more than I care to realize...that Dan, the actor, has become, whether 
he or his parents like it, an international sex symbol. He graces the 
covers of so many fan magazines, he also has a gazillion words on 
websites written about how handsome he has become. What's wrong with 
that? That's all that's been said here. He's a cute guy!!! Lighten up, 
everyone! And let's move on. Puleez....
Val




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  2 12:56:50 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:56:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises - Netiquette & Knowing When
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BRILLIANT, STEVE! And on that note...back to HP movies...
V

>  bboyminn:
>
>  This is not directed at Nicholas, but at the board and the 'Net in
>  general.
>
>  Another very effective and important 'rule' of Netiquette is knowing
>  when to walk away.
>
>  In this case, the orginal objector felt uncomfortable by remarks and
>  was free to place those objections. I may disagree with form, but the
>  function was certainly valid. Others including myself countered those
>  objections in a variety of ways. Personally, I tried to establish a
>  reasonable and balanced perspective. However that does not invalidate
>  the feeling of the orignial objector; she felt what she felt, and her
>  feelings are valid by nothing more than the fact that she genuinely
>  felt them. Most of the rest of us did not feel that way, and those
>  feelings are equally valid.
>
>  However, both side have more than made their point, each side is
>  firmly entrenched in their view and seem unmovable. Therefore,
>  continuation of the discussion in the line it is now on can only lead
>  to problems. Problems like straying from the central point of this
>  discussion group, personal attacks, overstated opinions fueled by
>  impressions of hurt feelings, etc..., etc..., etc....
>
>  The orginal poster made her objections clear, and we reasonably need
>  to consider those objections. Others countered with attempts at
>  balance and perspective, and those opinions need to be considered.
>  Each side has had their say, and made their position clear. I feel
>  that any further discussion can only lead down hill, and create ill
>  and hostile feelings among members.
>
>  The subject at hand is movies, tangental discussions are allowed but
>  there is a limit to how tangental they can become before they need to
>  move to another forum.
>
>  For the sake of good feelings and the camaraderie of all members, I
>  suggest we move on.
>
>  I see no reason for members NOT to be able to express their admiration
>  for the beauty of the cast members of the HP movies, but would suggest
>  that they try to keep it within polite boundaries. Which, by the way,
>  I personally thought they did.
>
>  I see no reason why one member should not be free to express feeling
>  of uncomfortableness with others expressions of beauty directed at the
>  cast members. But that person should remember that they are only one
>  voice among thousands, and shouldn't expect their opinion to dictate
>  the actions of others; influence-yes, dictate-no.
>
>  Further, in expressing ourselves, let's not let hyperbole and
>  exaggeration take control of our statements. While it is inappropriate
>  to truly 'lust' after HP cast members, let us also not forget that
>  they are 16,? 17, and 18 years old, and are beyond the age of consent
>  in the country in which they live. Given this, I would personally
>  consider accusations of 'pedophilia' to be hyperbole and exaggeration,
>  and can't blame people for taking offense.
>
>  So, in the simplest terms; we've all had our say more than once, and
>  both side have been clearly expressed, now it is time to let it go and
>  get back to the central theme of this discussion group.
>
>  Just passing it along.
>
>  Steve/bboyminn


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From kfreimu at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 15:31:14 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:31:14 -0600
Subject: More Order of the Phoenix casting
Message-ID: <977182740602020731i756804e0h4557d0237da2ecba@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an article with a picture of Luna (looks younger than I imagined) -
also names who is playing Tonks & Mrs Figg.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4670000/newsid_4672700/4672798.stm

Krista


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From kfreimu at gmail.com  Thu Feb  2 15:35:56 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:35:56 -0600
Subject: More Order of the Phoenix casting
In-Reply-To: <977182740602020731i756804e0h4557d0237da2ecba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <977182740602020731i756804e0h4557d0237da2ecba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <977182740602020735mf372708nf3811984a7b2aa4a@mail.gmail.com>

Oh - & here are some links that show the actors in other roles:
Tonks <http://www.britishtheatreguide.info/reviews/gonetoearth-rev.htm>
http://www.britishtheatreguide.info/reviews/gonetoearth-rev.htm

Bellatrix  http://tinyurl.com/dtv4q <http://tinyurl.com/dtv4q>

Mrs Figg (as, um, Richard III) http://tinyurl.com/7uwnb

Kingsley Shacklebolt - http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0364711/

Young James Potter http://tinyurl.com/cxau7

Enjoy!
Krista


On 2/2/06, Krista Freimuth <kfreimu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is an article with a picture of Luna (looks younger than I imagined)
> - also names who is playing Tonks & Mrs Figg.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4670000/newsid_4672700/4672798.stm
>
> Krista
>


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 15:55:54 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:55:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: REVISITED!
In-Reply-To: <4e1862872b95163d92e656f9c6c2f6af@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6418E3DA-9404-11DA-84EE-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 06:13 AM, Valerie Flowe wrote:
>>
>
> I have been listening to COS on tape in my car on the way to/from work.
> That Jim Dale is GENIUS!!! The way his voice embodies each character.
> Brilliant! And yes, the books take their time to build characters, and
> storylines. That's what is so nice about that medium.
> But the way the characters have brought said books to life, is also
> invaluable...I always envision the actors now when I read or listen.
> That said, did it bug anyone else that they turned Filch into a buffoon
> in GOF? What was that about? Wonder if the director transferred Ron's
> 'silly sidekick mugging' to Filch? I preferred Ron's more dimensional
> characterization in this film. Perhaps the director was concerned that
> GOF was so dark that it needed some comic relief? [this was
> particularly apparent to me after listening to COS, where Filch is
> soooo mean to the kids].
> Valerie
>

It didn't really bother me, but yes, I think there were few places to 
put the comic relief and you are right, that was probably the reason 
Filch was chosen. I don't know that it was totally out of character 
however. I mean, Filch's fits over mud dripping and such are pretty 
comical. I personally loved that he was dancing with Mrs. Norris. I 
always felt very bad for him over her petrification.




From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 19:10:23 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:10:23 -0000
Subject: OoTP cuts -Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <drssg5+1rr1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <drtlev+in12@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis@> wrote:
> SNIPPED> >
> > >   Andie:
> > >   I'm sure they will drop Quidditch since after GOF they said
> > >   no more Quidditch.
> > >   As long as they don't get rid of the twins departure and
> > >   Umbridge with the centaurs I'll be happy
> > >
> >SNIPPED AGAIN
> 
> I think at the very least they have to have quidditch going on
> off screen. Grawp was revealved during Ron's triumphant quidditch 
> match. I'm thinking they'll have to have Harry and the twins 
> banned "after" a match is finished. The meanie Slyths can be 
> singing "Weasley is our king" on the way out to the pitch for
> Ron's match. Then Harry and Hermione can do their gig in the
> forest with Quidditch off-camera. But that's just my idea. They
> can, and have totally re-worked stuff before!
> Jen D>
>


bboyminn:

I guess it is a question of which Quidditch match is more important to
the story; Harry being thrown off the Quidditch team for fighting with
Malfoy, or the scene in which Harry meets Hagrid's 'little' brother.

Umbridge shows how foul and loathsome she is in many way and certainly
they will not show each and every way found in the book. So, is Harry
being banned from Quidditch sufficiently important and cinematic to
warrant staying in the movie? Personally, I think it is. If it stays
in then I suspect Hagrid will corner Harry and Hermione on their way
to the next Quidditch match and we won't see Ron at all. 

I don't envy those who have to trim these books down. Deciding which
scenes stay and which go has to be an extremely difficult process. I
think, like Mike Newell, we need to find the central thread of the
story and stick to that, but even starting with that assumption, it is
still a difficult task.

The central story seems to be the Ministry's denial that Voldemort is
back that their extreme efforts to discredit Harry and Dumbledore's
claim that he has indeed returned. All this leads to the final battle
where it is confirmed beyond any doubt that Voldemort is back. In a
sense, that is what Umbridge symbolizes, the Ministry's efforts to
bring every aspect of the wizard world under there control and in line
with their belief. In that sense, the Quidditch game in which Harry is
banned is not that important. But on the other hand it is one of the
more cinematic moments in the book. It is visually appealing and very
dramatic.

On the other hand, Harry and Hermione meeting Grawp is the setup for
Grawp to be introduce into the story so he can later save Harry and
Hermione from the Centaurs. In the process of doing that, Grawp bleeds
on Harry and Hermione and that draws the Thestrals to them which in
turn allows them to travel to the Ministry of Magic to rescue Sirius.
So, from a plot perspective, Grawp is more important than Harry being
banned from Quidditch.

Personally, I really can't decide. Quidditch is visually appealing and
exciting, but Grawp is central to the plot. So, it could go either
way. Like I said, I don't envy the people who have to make these
decisions.

Steve/bboyminn






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 20:25:01 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:25:01 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OoTP cuts -Quidditch
In-Reply-To: <drtlev+in12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <FC8D157C-9429-11DA-BBDB-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 01:10 PM, Steve wrote:

> Umbridge shows how foul and loathsome she is in many way and certainly
> they will not show each and every way found in the book. So, is Harry
> being banned from Quidditch sufficiently important and cinematic to
> warrant staying in the movie? Personally, I think it is. If it stays
> in then I suspect Hagrid will corner Harry and Hermione on their way
> to the next Quidditch match and we won't see Ron at all.
>
> I don't envy those who have to trim these books down. Deciding which
> scenes stay and which go has to be an extremely difficult process. I
> think, like Mike Newell, we need to find the central thread of the
> story and stick to that, but even starting with that assumption, it is
> still a difficult task.
>
> The central story seems to be the Ministry's denial that Voldemort is
> back that their extreme efforts to discredit Harry and Dumbledore's
> claim that he has indeed returned. All this leads to the final battle
> where it is confirmed beyond any doubt that Voldemort is back. In a
> sense, that is what Umbridge symbolizes, the Ministry's efforts to
> bring every aspect of the wizard world under there control and in line
> with their belief. In that sense, the Quidditch game in which Harry is
> banned is not that important. But on the other hand it is one of the
> more cinematic moments in the book. It is visually appealing and very
> dramatic.
>
> On the other hand, Harry and Hermione meeting Grawp is the setup for
> Grawp to be introduce into the story so he can later save Harry and
> Hermione from the Centaurs. In the process of doing that, Grawp bleeds
> on Harry and Hermione and that draws the Thestrals to them which in
> turn allows them to travel to the Ministry of Magic to rescue Sirius.
> So, from a plot perspective, Grawp is more important than Harry being
> banned from Quidditch.
>

kchuplis:
I don't envy them either. But so far they've done a fair job, which is 
hopeful. I do think the quidditch banning is important, not just 
because of Harry, but the Twins banishment leads to the big exodus, 
which is the turning point of Umbridge losing control, completely of 
her little dominion. Grawp really could be brought in at any time, and 
Ron doesn't really have to excluded for any reason, so at least that is 
a free floating bit. Honestly though, time time time! I suppose even 
some fairly large moments are going to be cut.

Unfortunately, the biggest casualty, as I see it, is bound to be all 
the expository material after the battle at the MoM. There are certain 
things though that I certainly hope they fit in. We have to have some 
explanation of the prophecy (I can't see that going away) and as far as 
a small thing but IMO an important thing in setting up the death of DD 
at the end of HBP, is Dumbledore's admitting that he didn't make Harry 
prefect because he rather thought he had enough to be going on with, 
and the single tear. It's small thing, but it could really act as a 
huge bridge. Still, as we saw at the end of GoF, some of the things 
that could have been done, without extending running time, were not, 
mostly, I believe, because it would have been too dark (supposedly) for 
the ending. I really hope that the executives can understand now that 
all is not happy cheery but a piece can still be complete on it's own. 
I can understand being a bit fussy when a franchise is not established, 
but it is pretty clear that this one is not in danger. I hope they go 
for it.




From alchemillalady at aol.com  Thu Feb  2 21:23:08 2006
From: alchemillalady at aol.com (alchemillalady)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:23:08 -0000
Subject: OotP Cuts and casting
Message-ID: <drtt7s+762i@eGroups.com>

Karen said:
>I think DADA is safe (although not Marietta. Apparently some other 
character will become the snitch)! <

Suddenly, I am wondering who it will be.  Surely they won't be so heavy-
handed as to make Cho the 'sneak', giving Harry (and the audience) a 
good reason to stop liking Cho.  Katie L. presents a very sweet and 
vulnerable Cho, and they won't want the audience to be too disappointed 
when Harry and Cho split, so making her the scapegoat is a possibility 
I suppose.  Maybe Michael Corner?  No Gryffindor would be a sneak, and 
Luna wouldn't be appropriate either of course.  Ah!  Zacharias Smith (I 
think that's his name)?   

Or they will drop the entire 'sneak' hex and just simply have Draco and 
the Inquisitorial squad discover them?  It would be a decent set-up for 
the Half-Blood Prince, to see Draco finding the Room of Requirement.

Are we assuming there's no Marietta because IMDB didn't list her as a 
character?  I vaguely recall the Marietta speculation somewhere, months 
ago...can't remember now.  Or was it some Warner Bros. site?

Hey, how about that Luna?  They chose a die-hard HP fan!  I am so 
pleased for her. Check out the sweet photos at Newsround.  She looks 
quite different in all three photos, and probably will look different 
again in radish earrings.

--ladysmantle








From lorelei3dg at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  2 21:41:48 2006
From: lorelei3dg at yahoo.com (lorelei3dg)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:41:48 -0000
Subject: Scary plot synopsis for OOTP?
Message-ID: <drtuas+ppu3@eGroups.com>

I clicked a link to a photo of Imelda Staunton, and the website also 
carried this description of the plot for OOTP:

The plot centers on the arrival of Dolores Umbridge, an unpopular new 
professor at wizard academy Hogwarts. She will be played by actress 
Imelda Staunton, nominated for a 2005 Oscar for her performance in the 
bleak period drama Vera Drake.

Potter also wrestles with his attraction to new character Luna 
Lovegood, a role taken by 14-year-old newcomer Evanna Lynch.
 
? Associated Press 2006

The site is http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?
id=1baf10eb-c6c9-42a9-9a25-35b456bc9506&k=51445  but the information 
is credited to the AP, so I'm not sure who to blame - or should we 
panic at the thought that the script could indeed include a romantic 
Luna/Harry storyline???

Lorel






From joj at rochester.rr.com  Thu Feb  2 19:20:01 2006
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:20:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OoTP cuts -Quidditch
References: <drtlev+in12@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c6282d$a9ea45e0$1d34cc45@bumbargey3ogmz>

> On the other hand, Harry and Hermione meeting Grawp is the setup for
> Grawp to be introduce into the story so he can later save Harry and
> Hermione from the Centaurs. In the process of doing that, Grawp bleeds
> on Harry and Hermione and that draws the Thestrals to them which in
> turn allows them to travel to the Ministry of Magic to rescue Sirius.
> So, from a plot perspective, Grawp is more important than Harry being
> banned from Quidditch.
>
> Personally, I really can't decide. Quidditch is visually appealing and
> exciting, but Grawp is central to the plot. So, it could go either
> way. Like I said, I don't envy the people who have to make these
> decisions.
>
> Steve/bboyminn

I would think they could cut Grawp altogether, but I seem to remember
hearing he'll be in the movie.  They could change it quite a bit though.  I
doubt we'll see Harry and Hermione go in to the forrest twice together.
They'll probably send Ron too.  Also, they don't need to have them covered
in blood to attract the thestrals.  They could find them easily enough.  I
can't picture them covered in blood for such a long part of the movie.  I
would be very surprised if we got to see Ron playing Quidditch, but I really
hope we get to see Harry punch Malfoy.  How could they pass that up?

I'm really looking forward to this movie.

*)
..*) .*)
(. (. ~*Joj*~




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 22:26:59 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:26:59 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP Cuts and casting
In-Reply-To: <drtt7s+762i@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <06C685BA-943B-11DA-8D1F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 03:23 PM, alchemillalady wrote:

>
> Are we assuming there's no Marietta because IMDB didn't list her as a
> character?  I vaguely recall the Marietta speculation somewhere, months
> ago...can't remember now.  Or was it some Warner Bros. site?
>
> Hey, how about that Luna?  They chose a die-hard HP fan!  I am so
> pleased for her. Check out the sweet photos at Newsround.  She looks
> quite different in all three photos, and probably will look different
> again in radish earrings.
>
kchuplis:

What is newsround? The reason I say that about Marietta is because of 
the Wikipedia casting page which seems pretty up to snuff. It says "may 
be cut". So not positive, but seems possible.




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  2 22:55:31 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:55:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scary plot synopsis for OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <drtuas+ppu3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <0315466A-943F-11DA-8D1F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

Oh Lord I hope that is just bad reporting (I think it is. I'm thinking 
they meant Cho).


On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 03:41 PM, lorelei3dg wrote:

> I clicked a link to a photo of Imelda Staunton, and the website also
> carried this description of the plot for OOTP:
>
> The plot centers on the arrival of Dolores Umbridge, an unpopular new
> professor at wizard academy Hogwarts. She will be played by actress
> Imelda Staunton, nominated for a 2005 Oscar for her performance in the
> bleak period drama Vera Drake.
>
> Potter also wrestles with his attraction to new character Luna
> Lovegood, a role taken by 14-year-old newcomer Evanna Lynch.
>
> ? Associated Press 2006
>
> The site is http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?
> id=1baf10eb-c6c9-42a9-9a25-35b456bc9506&k=51445  but the information
> is credited to the AP, so I'm not sure who to blame - or should we
> panic at the thought that the script could indeed include a romantic
> Luna/Harry storyline???
>
> Lorel
>
>
>
>
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From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Feb  2 23:14:51 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:14:51 -0000
Subject: OotP Cuts and casting
In-Reply-To: <06C685BA-943B-11DA-8D1F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dru3pb+k3ij@eGroups.com>

SNIPS
> kchuplis:
> 
> What is newsround? The reason I say that about Marietta is because 
of 
> the Wikipedia casting page which seems pretty up to snuff. It 
says "may 
> be cut". So not positive, but seems possible.
>
Jen here,
Newsround is a BBC new outlet. They give a very good take on things 
HP. Google it. 

Wikipedia, from what I understand is not so reliable. Did you check 
IMDB? They seem to be very cautious about what they put up.
Jen








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Feb  3 04:31:32 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:31:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: More Order of the Phoenix casting
In-Reply-To: <977182740602020735mf372708nf3811984a7b2aa4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <977182740602020731i756804e0h4557d0237da2ecba@mail.gmail.com>
 <977182740602020735mf372708nf3811984a7b2aa4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bde7213a8715697e4874b74fc3dbf6a@verizon.net>


On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Krista Freimuth wrote:

> Oh - & here are some links that show the actors in other roles:

Thanks...these are great! I think Luna (in character) looks pretty much 
like I had imagined.
Tonks?? Hmm..will have to see her with the flaming pink hair. I 
personally envisioned her as a young Madame Hooch! (spiky punk hair)
Bellatrix, I imagined younger (mid 30's) But I guess all the other 
characters from that era are on the 40+++ side, so that's age 
appropriate.
Any word yet on casting for young Sirius, young Lupin and young Snape? 
This is getting exciting!
Valerie


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From Tiassa at TiassaTech.com  Fri Feb  3 04:16:07 2006
From: Tiassa at TiassaTech.com (dwltiassa)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:16:07 -0000
Subject: OoTP Movie/umbridge
In-Reply-To: <dq992h+qh37@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <drule7+vaja@eGroups.com>

> With the "ahem, ahems, fussy kitten 
> plates and that horrible bow...I think she will be 'bloody brilliant"
>

I was kind of hoping for Judy Dench -- I don't know why, but when I
was reading OoTP I kept seeing her in my minds eye. 









From hickengruendler at yahoo.de  Fri Feb  3 07:34:39 2006
From: hickengruendler at yahoo.de (hickengruendler)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:34:39 -0000
Subject: OotP Cuts and casting
In-Reply-To: <dru3pb+k3ij@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <drv12f+u6s4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> SNIPS
> > kchuplis:
> > 
> > What is newsround? The reason I say that about Marietta is 
because 
> of 
> > the Wikipedia casting page which seems pretty up to snuff. It 
> says "may 
> > be cut". So not positive, but seems possible.
> >
> Jen here,
> Newsround is a BBC new outlet. They give a very good take on things 
> HP. Google it. 
> 
> Wikipedia, from what I understand is not so reliable. Did you check 
> IMDB? They seem to be very cautious about what they put up.
> Jen
>
 Hickengruendler:

Wikipedia is very unreliable. It's both Wikipedia's best and worst 
point, that everybody can edit the information there. It's good 
because normally most new information is there very soon 
(particularly about Harry Potter, where you can bet that someone from 
this big fandom is going to notice it practically at once) and bad 
because it also leaves the door open for someone to put a false 
information on the page, either for trolling ot because they 
genuinely thought it to be true. That said, I remember that I've read 
on mugglenet or the Leaky Cauldron that there's a possibility for 
Marietta to be cut.






From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 14:00:43 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 06:00:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <3770113929dad8e2b1a3cc4e8d2e2d33@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20060203140043.55355.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



On Feb 1, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Mike Daron wrote:
  
  > harry potter only one nomination ? what up with that!!! something 
  > wrong here.........
    
  Valerie replies:
  
  I know...maybe if Ron and Harry had shown some sexual interest in each other...?! KIDDING...
    
  akh reacts:
  Hee, hee!  
    
  Valerie continues:
  Still, I thought GOF was an outstanding movie; quite the cinematic achievement.
akh concurs:
  
  Having seen it (somewhat inadvertently) five times, I agree that it holds up well under scrutiny.  
  
  That said, I wasn't entirely surprised that it didn't pick up a lot of  nominations, although I'll admit I thought it might qualify for more  technical awards.  Our most recent mega-franchise movies, Lord of  the Rings, were barely recognized until the final movie, and I wouldn't  be surprised if the same happens to the Harry Potter franchise.   Too many awards too soon gives them nowhere to go. Plus, whether  conscious or not, voters may know "there's always next year," when it  comes to nominating HP, a statement that might not be made for, say,  "War of the Worlds."
  
  akh, who knows the phrase "there's always next year" only too well, living on the North side of Chicago...

		
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From agdisney at msn.com  Fri Feb  3 18:04:11 2006
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 13:04:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scary plot synopsis for OOTP?
References: <drtuas+ppu3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV138F2BD6C2CD4C3C9B22ACCF0D0@phx.gbl>


  From: lorelei3dg<mailto:lorelei3dg at yahoo.com> 


  I clicked a link to a photo of Imelda Staunton, and the website also 
  carried this description of the plot for OOTP:

  The plot centers on the arrival of Dolores Umbridge, an unpopular new 
  professor at wizard academy Hogwarts. She will be played by actress 
  Imelda Staunton, nominated for a 2005 Oscar for her performance in the 
  bleak period drama Vera Drake.

  Potter also wrestles with his attraction to new character Luna 
  Lovegood, a role taken by 14-year-old newcomer Evanna Lynch.

  Andie:

  What attraction to Luna?  They become friends but not girlfriend/boyfriend.
  If they make that many changes to the movie it will be like rewriting the book.

   


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From kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  3 20:15:02 2006
From: kelley_thompson at sbcglobal.net (Kelley)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 20:15:02 -0000
Subject: Request for help
Message-ID: <ds0dk6+i1o2@eGroups.com>

Hello, everyone--

The elves have been contacted with the following request for 
assistance:

A photo of British actress Maggie Hickey was heavily featured in 
some Harry Potter promotional material:  this material publicised 
the release of the first HP film on DVD and was used in mailings 
to homes in the northern half of England and in magazines 
advertising the DVD release.  However, Maggie herself has never 
gotten to see any of these advertisements.

In the photo, Maggie is dressed in a stiffed-peak cap and green 
cloak, and her hair is spiked evenly pointing out from her head in 
different directions.  There is a photo of Maggie here:
http://www.convention-guests.com/html/dr_who.html

(There's also a very cool Harry Potter page on this site, featuring 
many stand-ins for various characters:
http://www.convention-guests.com/html/harry_potter.html )

Perhaps someone here has been collecting various HP items and may 
possibly still have a copy of at least one of these that feature 
the photo of Maggie. If so, please contact me, or the administrators 
of Convention-Guests.com:
http://www.convention-guests.com/html/contact_us.html

Hope someone can help, thanks so much!

--Kelley Elf






From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 20:19:21 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:19:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dueling press releases on the fifth movie
Message-ID: <20060203201921.27211.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

      How interesting that a presumed press release by  Warner Brothers would be interpreted two rather different ways,  concerning Luna Lovegood:           
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060203/en_nm/harrypotter_dc
       
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_en_mo/film_potter
       
      The Reuters/Hollywood Reporter article appears to be the  more accurate depiction of the Harry/Luna dynamic.  One tends to believe that the reporter threw  in the additional copy in the AP version.
       
      At least no one needs to panic   that they?re going to add  steamy scenes between Harry and Luna.
       
      akh, who is having more fun than she ought, waiting for copy  approval at work

          

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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  3 21:43:52 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:43:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Scary plot synopsis for OOTP?
References: <drtuas+ppu3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <07b501c6290a$edbe20b0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but did they manufacture some attraction Harry's supposed to have for Luna? Near as I can tell, he just treats her respectfully - he doesn't "dig" her... that's all Cho.

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lorelei3dg 

  Potter also wrestles with his attraction to new character Luna 
  Lovegood, a role taken by 14-year-old newcomer Evanna Lynch.


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From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com  Sat Feb  4 06:32:54 2006
From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 01:32:54 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Directors ad-libbing book material
Message-ID: <141.55e0eea9.3115a496@aol.com>

>  One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
>  stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
>  material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
>  Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?

.
.
I could understand why Peter Jackson felt he had to invent some material in 
LotR, because with the extensive cuts they had to make to keep the movies under 
12 hours, they sometimes had to do something to fill in the gaps that were 
caused by the cuts. 

In PoA, one very nice additional scene was the one of the Gryffindor 
roommates fooling around with the candies, with Harry the locomotive and Ron roaring 
like a lion--while the dementors were swirling right outside their window. 
After the scenes of Harry with Aunt Marge and the Dursleys, it beautifully 
pictured all that Harry loved about Hogwarts, about how the kids were simultaneously 
just kids as well as how they lived different lives in the magical world, and 
the menace they were facing from the dementors without realizing it as of 
yet--and it was all done in about a minute of screen time. I thought it was 
extremely effective, and I'll bet JKR appreciated it, too. She was quoted as saying 
she loved a lot of the additions Cuaron had made, and I bet that was one she 
especially liked.

m


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From elvine78 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  4 12:56:33 2006
From: elvine78 at hotmail.com (Elvine Elvine)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:56:33 +0100
Subject: Seems Dan's popular with a lot of ladies...
Message-ID: <BAY112-F137395097D165D50F0A728DD0C0@phx.gbl>

The readers of British "New Woman Magazine" have voted for the 100 sexiest 
men in the world. Daniel Radcliffe is on place 86.

www.newwoman.co.uk

Elvine

(Who could have said something about how many perverts there are to be 
found, apparently, among the readers of said magazine, but who refrains to 
do so. Sort of.)

_________________________________________________________________
Hitta rtt p ntet med MSN Search http://search.msn.se/




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 14:15:25 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:15:25 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Directors ad-libbing book material
In-Reply-To: <141.55e0eea9.3115a496@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AF5D189A-9588-11DA-AA06-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 12:32 AM, mugg1eb0rn at aol.com wrote:

>>  One of the main criticisms against TLOTR was that Jackson invented
>>  stuff, and that what he invented was way poorer than the original
>>  material. So, what do you think about the same sort of thing in HP -
>>  Snape banging the boys' heads together for example?
>
> .
> .
> I could understand why Peter Jackson felt he had to invent some 
> material in
> LotR, because with the extensive cuts they had to make to keep the 
> movies under
> 12 hours, they sometimes had to do something to fill in the gaps that 
> were
> caused by the cuts.
>
> In PoA, one very nice additional scene was the one of the Gryffindor
> roommates fooling around with the candies, with Harry the locomotive 
> and Ron roaring
> like a lion--while the dementors were swirling right outside their 
> window.
> After the scenes of Harry with Aunt Marge and the Dursleys, it 
> beautifully
> pictured all that Harry loved about Hogwarts, about how the kids were 
> simultaneously
> just kids as well as how they lived different lives in the magical 
> world, and
> the menace they were facing from the dementors without realizing it as 
> of
> yet--and it was all done in about a minute of screen time. I thought 
> it was
> extremely effective, and I'll bet JKR appreciated it, too. She was 
> quoted as saying
> she loved a lot of the additions Cuaron had made, and I bet that was 
> one she
> especially liked.
>
> m

That was, indeed, a great scene for showing the school/boyhood 
camraderie that existed.  One of the nicest things that Cuaron brought 
to the movies was atmosphere. There was a real sense of presence rather 
than performance with that movie. Some called it "being artsy" but it 
was really stepping up the  level of "this world"liness IMO.




From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  4 14:31:02 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:31:02 -0000
Subject: Directors ad-libbing book material
In-Reply-To: <141.55e0eea9.3115a496@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ds2dr6+k1m1@eGroups.com>

Well POA (as is GOF - they've only encouraged me to read the books or 
go back and read them again) was one of my favourites in both book and 
movie. With so much material it's tough for a director pull together a 
story when so much must be left. Sometimes scenes need to be added 
just to pull whats left of the story back together again.







From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  4 14:41:39 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:41:39 -0000
Subject: Scary plot synopsis for OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <0315466A-943F-11DA-8D1F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <ds2ef3+mprk@eGroups.com>

I hope they meant Cho too. That Harry and Luna plotline seems to have 
come out of leftfield.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 16:45:45 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:45:45 -0600
Subject: Must keep scenes
Message-ID: <B009146A-959D-11DA-9F48-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I've been re-reading HBP and all I can say is no matter what, they HAVE 
to keep the party scene when Luna tells Slughorn, Harry and Snape that 
the aurors are trying to bring down the MoM by a combination of Dark 
Magic and gum disease.  That has to be THE shining moment in JKR humor 
and will make for a Rickman expression to bring down the house (along 
with Harry choking on his mead). Are there other "must keep" scenes 
people can think of?




From betsymarie123 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  4 16:52:23 2006
From: betsymarie123 at yahoo.com (Betsy Cortes)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF gets Academy Award nominations!
In-Reply-To: <20060203140043.55355.qmail@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060204165224.27184.qmail@web60225.mail.yahoo.com>

I was really surprised when I heard that GoF only got 1 nomination.  I actually thought it was going to get like three nominations (special effects, sound, costume and make up).  But now, we'll have to wait until next year to see how OoTP does.  
   
  Betsy
   
   
    

AnitaKH <anita_hillin at yahoo.com> wrote:
  

On Feb 1, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Mike Daron wrote:
  
  > harry potter only one nomination ? what up with that!!! something 
  > wrong here.........
    
  Valerie replies:
  
  I know...maybe if Ron and Harry had shown some sexual interest in each other...?! KIDDING...
    
  akh reacts:
  Hee, hee!  
    
  Valerie continues:
  Still, I thought GOF was an outstanding movie; quite the cinematic achievement.
akh concurs:
  
  Having seen it (somewhat inadvertently) five times, I agree that it holds up well under scrutiny.  
  
  That said, I wasn't entirely surprised that it didn't pick up a lot of  nominations, although I'll admit I thought it might qualify for more  technical awards.  Our most recent mega-franchise movies, Lord of  the Rings, were barely recognized until the final movie, and I wouldn't  be surprised if the same happens to the Harry Potter franchise.   Too many awards too soon gives them nowhere to go. Plus, whether  conscious or not, voters may know "there's always next year," when it  comes to nominating HP, a statement that might not be made for, say,  "War of the Worlds."
  
  akh, who knows the phrase "there's always next year" only too well, living on the North side of Chicago...

            
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 18:10:53 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:10:53 -0600
Subject: Interesting news on TLC
Message-ID: <9486FB76-95A9-11DA-9B5F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I thought, considering the huge thread on Harry and his expression of 
grief going on in the other group, that it was interesting to read the 
news snippet on the Leaky Cauldron saying that in preparation for OoTP 
(and really the rest if he should do them)  Dan Radcliffe had been 
meeting with a grief counsellor.  Knew some of you here have been 
participating over there as well and might be interested in that.




From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Sat Feb  4 18:49:09 2006
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:49:09 +0000
Subject: Odds and ends
In-Reply-To: <ds0dk6+i1o2@eGroups.com>
References: <ds0dk6+i1o2@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <p06110400c009807e3a19@[217.154.249.184]>

A few points that have been made recently:-

'Hedwig's Theme' in Doyle's score
Valerie and I were talking about this.  If anyone wants to hear it 
without investing in the soundtrack (or seeing the movie again, if 
that is even an option for you at this stage), go to the iTunes site. 
They allow you to listen to an excerpt of the tracks before deciding 
whether to buy. If you go to the GoF soundtrack and click on the 
track 'The Story Continues', the excerpt includes 'Hedwig's Theme'. 
In the movie, it can be heard exactly when the words 'Harry Potter' 
appear on the screen.

The 'eye observation'
(sorry, I haven't kept track of where this came from); I too have 
noticed this habit of Dan Radcliffe's. It is possibly something that 
he is overcoming as he gets older, as it has become less noticeable 
with each movie; however, I saw it a few times in GoF. Examples? Let 
me see; in the first tete-a-tete with Moody ('what are you going to 
do about your dragon?')...in the study hall...on the bridge with 
Cedric...the final conversation with Dumbledore. I'm sure many of you 
noticed more instances than I did.

'Wormtail'
Not only does Voldemort call Pettigrew by this name in GoF; so do 
Sirius (to be expected) and Harry. Perhaps we are to infer that 
Sirius told Harry who the Marauders were...but this is as much of a 
continuity error as different outfits in contiguous shots would be.

'I'll show you mine if you show me yours'
When Barty Crouch Jr says this, he is looking to his right at Harry 
and Dumbledore, *not* at Snape, who is on his left. I do not 
understand why the movie draws the parallel between BCJ's Dark Mark 
and the wound on Harry's arm.

Karen's tirade
Welcome to the list Karen! and thank you for your post in response to 
mine. Your message proved pretty much everything that I had said, 
though I rather imagine that this was not your intention. It is 
recommended that new members should read through the posts of the 
last few years before contributing to the discussions; if you do so, 
you may possibly come to understand how inappropriate some of your 
comments were.

Cheers,
Nicholas




From kfreimu at gmail.com  Sat Feb  4 19:36:22 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (kristaf0726)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:36:22 -0000
Subject: OOTP casting
Message-ID: <ds2vnm+4ive@eGroups.com>

My sister found more pictures of the girl that is going to play Tonks -
 kind of gives you an idea of what she'll look like!
http://midnight-ljc.livejournal.com/115829.html

Also, the Leaky Cauldron is saying rumor has it that Susie Shinner (an 
unknown) will play young Lily.

Krista






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 20:05:35 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:05:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Odds and ends
In-Reply-To: <p06110400c009807e3a19@[217.154.249.184]>
Message-ID: <9A5D9F1C-95B9-11DA-A828-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 12:49 PM, nicholas dean wrote:

> Karen's tirade
> Welcome to the list Karen! and thank you for your post in response to
> mine. Your message proved pretty much everything that I had said,
> though I rather imagine that this was not your intention. It is
> recommended that new members should read through the posts of the
> last few years before contributing to the discussions; if you do so,
> you may possibly come to understand how inappropriate some of your
> comments were.
>
> Cheers,
> Nicholas
>

Lovely rose glasses you have on there. Still, when someone makes an 
entire post, degrading me, I tend to respond.  I will now try to avoid 
stepping on your toes, if you would do the same back, we'll get along 
just fine.

Cheers back
Karen




From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  4 22:33:19 2006
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:33:19 -0000
Subject: Eyes like your mother
Message-ID: <ds3a3f+e238@eGroups.com>

I just finished rewatching PoA for the ....gazillionth time.  I had
been listening to the soundtrack and wondering about the foreshadowing
JKR had alluded to after seeing the movie.  I thought I would try
again to see if I could figure out to which bits she was referring,
but alas, my mind wondered to another subject:  "You have your
mother's eyes." There has been much discussion on this list about the
possibility of coloring Dan's eyes in post production, should he have
worn contacts... I wondered the same things too, but what if the
similarity has nothing to do with the COLOR of Harry's and Lily's
eyes?  I haven't looked at SS and  CoS, but can we see the color of
Lily's eyes in either of those movies?  Does the actress who plays her
have blue eyes like Dan's?  I realize in the books it always specifies
that their eyes are green, but couldn't they both have blue eyes and
still have the same eyes? Am I making sense? :P  Just a thought....any
comments?
Cyndi






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 22:52:27 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:52:27 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eyes like your mother
In-Reply-To: <ds3a3f+e238@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <EA577502-95D0-11DA-9601-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 04:33 PM, thekrenz wrote:

> I just finished rewatching PoA for the ....gazillionth time.  I had
> been listening to the soundtrack and wondering about the foreshadowing
> JKR had alluded to after seeing the movie.

Do you know where I could read that interview? Thanks.




From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  4 23:51:24 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:51:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: GoF DVD release?
In-Reply-To: <p06110400c009807e3a19@[217.154.249.184]>
Message-ID: <20060204235124.18678.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know where I can find the GoF release date for the U.S.? I thought that I had seen an advertisement on one of my recorded shows, but when I tried to find it again, I could not.
   
  TIA


Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Sun Feb  5 01:40:31 2006
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:40:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Odds and ends
References: <ds0dk6+i1o2@eGroups.com> <p06110400c009807e3a19@[217.154.249.184]>
Message-ID: <001b01c629f5$266ecdc0$a232cc45@bumbargey3ogmz>


> Karen's tirade
> Welcome to the list Karen! and thank you for your post in response to
> mine. Your message proved pretty much everything that I had said,
> though I rather imagine that this was not your intention. It is
> recommended that new members should read through the posts of the
> last few years before contributing to the discussions; if you do so,
> you may possibly come to understand how inappropriate some of your
> comments were.
>
> Cheers,
> Nicholas

I would like to offer a real welcome to Karen and say that I enjoy her
comments, and agree with many.  No one is expected to read through a few
years of posts before they can join in. I don't think Karen made any
inappropriate comments.  I can't say the same for someone else.

 *)
..*) .*)
(. (. ~*Joj*~




From thekrenz at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  5 02:16:12 2006
From: thekrenz at yahoo.com (thekrenz)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:16:12 -0000
Subject: Eyes like your mother
In-Reply-To: <EA577502-95D0-11DA-9601-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <ds3n5c+bcb6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 04:33 PM, thekrenz wrote:
> 
> > I just finished rewatching PoA for the ....gazillionth time.  I had
> > been listening to the soundtrack and wondering about the foreshadowing
> > JKR had alluded to after seeing the movie.
> 
> Do you know where I could read that interview? Thanks.



Try this, Karen.  
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0504-usatoday-puig.htm







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb  5 02:48:15 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:48:15 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Eyes like your mother
In-Reply-To: <ds3n5c+bcb6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <DB2B9544-95F1-11DA-852E-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 08:16 PM, thekrenz wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 04:33 PM, thekrenz wrote:
>>
>>> I just finished rewatching PoA for the ....gazillionth time.  I had
>>> been listening to the soundtrack and wondering about the 
>>> foreshadowing
>>> JKR had alluded to after seeing the movie.
>>
>> Do you know where I could read that interview? Thanks.
>
>
>
> Try this, Karen.
> http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2004/0504-usatoday-puig.htm
>
>
>

A new reason to rewatch PoA! Interesting....




From kadedeetje at skynet.be  Sat Feb  4 22:06:45 2006
From: kadedeetje at skynet.be (kadedeetje)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:06:45 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
In-Reply-To: <ds2vnm+4ive@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000401c629d7$49cac210$3200000a@speedy>

Hey Krista,

Thanks for the pics. From what I make of her she already looks 'hip' so that
could work. For me, however, there's only one image of Tonks in my head. At
the time the book came out, there was a commercial on TV promoting a
detergent (dreft as known in Holland and Belgium, mind). In the commercial,
you see a young woman out to have her hair cut and dyed. Later she shops for
a blouse, matching her hair. Hair and blouse are orange. Because of that
colour I pictured Tonks to look like the girl in the commercial. If you are
interested to see, the link below should lead you to a page with two
movie-options. It's the second one one called "hair" .

http://www.ster.nl/ster?nav=zqhkLsHCjEVsCfF
  cheers
  kadedeetje


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Behalf Of kristaf0726
  Sent: 04 February 2006 20:36
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting


  My sister found more pictures of the girl that is going to play Tonks -
  kind of gives you an idea of what she'll look like!
  http://midnight-ljc.livejournal.com/115829.html

  Also, the Leaky Cauldron is saying rumor has it that Susie Shinner (an
  unknown) will play young Lily.

  Krista







From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  5 14:19:35 2006
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:19:35 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
In-Reply-To: <000401c629d7$49cac210$3200000a@speedy>
Message-ID: <mailman.33.1576048071.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

What language is that website in?  

Rae

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of kadedeetje
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:07 PM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting

Hey Krista,

Thanks for the pics. From what I make of her she already looks 'hip' so that
could work. For me, however, there's only one image of Tonks in my head. At
the time the book came out, there was a commercial on TV promoting a
detergent (dreft as known in Holland and Belgium, mind). In the commercial,
you see a young woman out to have her hair cut and dyed. Later she shops for
a blouse, matching her hair. Hair and blouse are orange. Because of that
colour I pictured Tonks to look like the girl in the commercial. If you are
interested to see, the link below should lead you to a page with two
movie-options. It's the second one one called "hair" .

http://www.ster.nl/ster?nav=zqhkLsHCjEVsCfF
  cheers
  kadedeetje


   -----Original Message-----
  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of kristaf0726
  Sent: 04 February 2006 20:36
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting


  My sister found more pictures of the girl that is going to play Tonks -
  kind of gives you an idea of what she'll look like!
  http://midnight-ljc.livejournal.com/115829.html

  Also, the Leaky Cauldron is saying rumor has it that Susie Shinner (an
  unknown) will play young Lily.

  Krista






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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Feb  4 23:57:03 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:57:03 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF DVD release?
In-Reply-To: <20060204235124.18678.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F028AE09-95D9-11DA-BF55-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I believe it is March 7. I saw you can pre-order at Amazon now.

On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 05:51 PM, Candle wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can find the GoF release date for the U.S.? I 
> thought that I had seen an advertisement on one of my recorded shows, 
> but when I tried to find it again, I could not.
>
>   TIA
>
>
> Candle 




From kadedeetje at skynet.be  Sun Feb  5 15:28:23 2006
From: kadedeetje at skynet.be (kadedeetje)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:28:23 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
In-Reply-To: <200602051422.k15EMCZZ024285@inmx015.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <000201c62a68$cd8a5c00$3200000a@speedy>

Website is that of the Dutch organisation bringing commercials to TV and
radio in the Netherlands.  We here in Flanders, Belgium, the Dutch speaking
part of the country do share some, if not all, commercials with the Dutch.

Did you see the commercial I was talking about ?

cheers
kadedeetje


  -----Original Message-----
  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Rae Callaway
  Sent: 05 February 2006 15:20
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting


  What language is that website in?

  Rae

 






From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  5 21:14:58 2006
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:14:58 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
In-Reply-To: <000201c62a68$cd8a5c00$3200000a@speedy>
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1576048071.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

No.  I even tried Babel fish to translate the website so I could find the
section you were talking about, but it didn't work.  

Rae

-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of kadedeetje
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 9:28 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting

Website is that of the Dutch organisation bringing commercials to TV and
radio in the Netherlands.  We here in Flanders, Belgium, the Dutch speaking
part of the country do share some, if not all, commercials with the Dutch.

Did you see the commercial I was talking about ?

cheers
kadedeetje


  -----Original Message-----
  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Rae Callaway
  Sent: 05 February 2006 15:20
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting


  What language is that website in?

  Rae

 





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From kadedeetje at skynet.be  Sun Feb  5 21:41:27 2006
From: kadedeetje at skynet.be (kadedeetje)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:41:27 +0100
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
In-Reply-To: <200602052117.k15LHIFN013478@inmx012.isp.belgacom.be>
Message-ID: <000901c62a9c$eae29360$3200000a@speedy>

Hi again Rae,

I'm sorry, I copied the link with the selection made and didn't realise it
got lost.

If you want to find the commercial to see this is the way to do so.

You'll find two boxes, the one on the left saying "zoeken op
adverteerder/merk (= searching for advertiser/brand)", the one on the right
saying "zoeken op product (= searching for product)".
Underneath these two boxes is a third smaller one spread across the page
saying "zoeken op trefwoord (= searching for main word)".
Type the word "dreft" in the space beside and click the button "zoeken (=
search)".
You should now have four options underneath, of which the one I'm talking
about is at the bottom. with the titel : hair.

Hope it works now.

cheers
kadedeetje
  -----Original Message-----
  From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Rae Callaway
  Sent: 05 February 2006 22:15
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting


  No.  I even tried Babel fish to translate the website so I could find the
  section you were talking about, but it didn't work.

  Rae


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb  5 22:27:19 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:27:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eyes like your mother
In-Reply-To: <ds3a3f+e238@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <91DD12F5-9696-11DA-B7F2-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Saturday, February 4, 2006, at 04:33 PM, thekrenz wrote:

> I just finished rewatching PoA for the ....gazillionth time.  I had
> been listening to the soundtrack and wondering about the foreshadowing
> JKR had alluded to after seeing the movie.  I thought I would try
> again to see if I could figure out to which bits she was referring,
> but alas, my mind wondered to another subject:  "You have your
> mother's eyes." There has been much discussion on this list about the
> possibility of coloring Dan's eyes in post production, should he have
> worn contacts... I wondered the same things too, but what if the
> similarity has nothing to do with the COLOR of Harry's and Lily's
> eyes?  I haven't looked at SS and  CoS, but can we see the color of
> Lily's eyes in either of those movies?  Does the actress who plays her
> have blue eyes like Dan's?  I realize in the books it always specifies
> that their eyes are green, but couldn't they both have blue eyes and
> still have the same eyes? Am I making sense? :P  Just a thought....any
> comments?
> Cyndi
>

Actually, I've been thinking and you are close. That's the bit of 
speech where Lupin goes off talking about how kind Lily was and how she 
was a friend to him at his darkest hour. That bit of speech isn't in 
the book. I remember thinking oh - he knew Lily. Well, of course he 
would have, however, he never specifically has said anything. We know 
that Lily didn't date James until 7th year. Then at that point she'd 
obviously have known him better, but what if it was before Lily dated 
James? So there may be some back story we find about Lupin and Lily 
(and not necessarily some thwarted love theme - although, Lily does 
seem that type of woman that everyman falls at least half in love with) 
which has some bearing on the story. Maybe of how James finally breaks 
through to her? Through Lupin? Maybe this has been touched on over in 
the other list, I don't know.

kchuplis




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb  5 22:41:31 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:41:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eyes like your mother
In-Reply-To: <91DD12F5-9696-11DA-B7F2-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <8D93DB98-9698-11DA-9F90-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

Oops. and also DD's reference to darkness being banished if only you 
turn on the light does reflect the inferi scene in Half Blood Prince.




From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Sun Feb  5 23:01:21 2006
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:01:21 +0000
Subject: What kind of list do you want? was Odds and ends
In-Reply-To: <9A5D9F1C-95B9-11DA-A828-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
References: <9A5D9F1C-95B9-11DA-A828-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06110401c00bd5dd4262@[217.154.249.215]>

>Karen said:-


>Lovely rose glasses you have on there. Still, when someone makes an
>entire post, degrading me, I tend to respond.


You misunderstood, Karen. When I am addressing someone, I do so 
directly, using their name; rather as I am doing now, in fact.

I read posts in batches, not individually, and the 'Cuts and Bruises' 
thread unfolded to me in one digest. My 'Netiquette' post was 
addressed to the whole list, and was aimed at
- People who had made personal attacks on those whose posts they disagreed with
- People who were excessively defensive
- New arrivals who felt it appropriate to start dictating to 
established participants.

I rather admired you for taking responsibility for everyone's 
indiscretions...everyone else went very quiet!

Joj joins in:-
>
>
>I would like to offer a real welcome to Karen and say that I enjoy her
>comments, and agree with many.  No one is expected to read through a few
>years of posts before they can join in.


Perhaps my comment was too subtle. What I meant was that if Karen had 
read through some of *my* posts through the last months and years, 
she would have understood how inappropriate her attack on me was. 
Sticks and stones; in the end, name-calling says more about the 
caller than the callee.


>  I don't think Karen made any
>inappropriate comments.  I can't say the same for someone else.

Oh come, come; have the courage of your convictions. If you wish to 
criticise someone, either name and shame them or contact them 
off-list and tell them what your problem is. So many people have 
offended over the last few days that no one knows who you mean (and 
do any of us care?)

Karen again:-

>   I will now try to avoid
>stepping on your toes, if you would do the same back, we'll get along
>just fine.

I have no quarrel with you, Karen.

I do increasingly feel, however, that this list is not what it used 
to be. There has always been a certain amount of 'chatty', 
lightweight discussion, and even the occasional spat. The recent 
fracas, however, was something else, and it shocked me deeply; not so 
much the subject-matter, but the real nastiness of some of the 
comments, the complete lack of logic in the arguments, and the speed 
at which it deteriorated into personal attacks. Not very Grown Up at 
all.

I have been part of the list since just after PS/SS was released, and 
since then have done my best, with limited time available, to 
contribute substantive, on-topic posts, to respond to questions to 
which I knew the answer, and even occasionally to put together essays 
on subjects which I thought might be of interest and might provoke 
discussion.

It seems, however, that there is a vocal faction of the list-members 
whose primary interest is chat, not technical discussion of the 
movies. Is this faction in the majority? If so, this is not the list 
for me. I am sure that some of you are about to hit the reply button 
with something like 'Go and find another list then' or another 
comment of similar emotional maturity; and that's fine. Sticks and 
stones again. I don't even have to find another list; as I believe I 
have already mentioned, I do participate in another, private list 
dedicated to discussion of HP, along with other writers and movies. 
Those list members are not as prolific as this board, but they are 
sensible, humorous and responsive, and I cannot imagine any 
circumstances whatsoever in which the discussion there would fall to 
the depths achieved here last week.

I have been discussing this off-list with several people who have 
been in touch to support my recent posts. One person has raised the 
point which, in fact, has been bothering me too; this list will never 
be an in-depth, serious discussion unless the participants make it 
so, and with Richard's recent departure, there are now very few here, 
other than myself, who seem to want this level of discourse.

So here is the question; what kind of list do you want? Do you want 
to chat about the number of hairs on Dan Radcliffe's chest, or do you 
want to talk about movie techniques, camerawork, directors' 
interpretations and that sort of thing? I'm not suggesting for an 
instant that this should be a dry, humourless discussion with no 
interjections and ad-libs; but surely I am not the only one for whom 
talk about the personal attractions of the actors holds no interest 
whatsoever?

I notice that some people have been bravely carrying on with other 
threads despite the subterranean rumblings of this one. Very good; 
but we have talked about the significance of Harry's/Lily's 
eye-colour several times before; and we had a discussion about JKR's 
comment about the foreshadowing in PoA back in 2004, after PoA was 
released. So perhaps reading old threads does have a certain 
importance, Joj.

And perhaps this is an indication that it is indeed time for me to 
focus my efforts elsewhere; because if old threads are going to be 
rehashed with no reference to what has gone before, then maybe it's 
time to leave the list in the hands of the newbies; since we oldies 
have a choice of either saying again what we have said before (not an 
attractive option when one has limited time), ignoring the 
discussion, or getting grumpy and saying 'why don't you read what has 
already been said on this subject?' None of these options is fun, 
none of them is intellectually stimulating, and if neither of those 
criteria is met, why be part of the list any more?

I lack Richard's dramatic ability, and so cannot flounce off 
histrionically; my inclination was to put the list on probation for a 
month, and if the calibre of posts did not improve, quietly to 
disappear. However, those off-list posts have convinced me to appeal 
to the list one final time, to find out whether there is any interest 
at all in more substantial discussion. If not, I'll happily leave, 
and without a backward glance. I have felt for a while now that I am 
putting more into the list than I am getting out of it. Lists evolve, 
and perhaps the natural evolution of this one is towards the 
lightweight. That's fine; but it's not where I want to be.

Cheers,
Nicholas



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb  5 23:20:44 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:20:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What kind of list do you want? was Odds and ends
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c00bd5dd4262@[217.154.249.215]>
Message-ID: <07EFE33B-969E-11DA-9E18-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

Thank you, Nick for clearing that up. No, much of your post was not 
clear, but you have made it clearer now. I still believe there was a 
lot of furor over something meant as frivolous and light, which you 
also apparently took offense to. Hence, my posts.

As to rehashing topics, I really do not see how you can avoid it. As 
you point out, it takes a substantial amount of time to go back and 
read years worth of posts. I somehow feel we are being hand slapped 
again. I, indeed, *would* like more in depth discussion but light 
heartedness is never out of line IMO. In fact, there were some bits of 
camera work I was thinking about talking about in PoA and some other 
technical details, but it seems, if I tread on toes, as others seem to 
have done, by bringing up something 2 years ago when PoA was released, 
I might just be boring you and stepping out of what you want from the 
list. I believe what is bothering me most is that you wish a closed 
list with people who have been here all along so as not to bother you 
with repetition. I'm very sorry that I don't have a time turner to 
oblige. I know, I'm sounding tetchy again, but I felt (not speaking for 
the entire list just that *I* felt) that I was being preached to again 
about posting. I really would like to know what the crime is. If I am, 
indeed, expected to reread years of posts, then I'm afraid this isn't 
the list for  me. I am rather late to the Potter world. Just never had 
been exposed until, really, this last year when a friend really pushed 
me to read the books and see the movies. I guess I am one of those 
offensive bandwagon jumpers. Better late than never, I guess, but I 
didn't know it was a rule.

I will attempt to remain in lurk mode in honor of long time listers, 
but I can't promise anything if I see a post I want to respond to. As 
you can tell, I am a bit of a loud mouth.

cheers again
Karen




From camckenzie at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  6 14:44:59 2006
From: camckenzie at yahoo.com (ptmckenz)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:44:59 -0000
Subject: Must keep scenes
In-Reply-To: <B009146A-959D-11DA-9F48-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <ds7ndb+6ipt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I've been re-reading HBP and all I can say is no matter what, they HAVE 
> to keep the party scene when Luna tells Slughorn, Harry and Snape that 
> the aurors are trying to bring down the MoM by a combination of Dark 
> Magic and gum disease. 

Other "must-keep" small scenes:

-No need to call me sir, professor.  (For humor and Harry's character development as he 
loses his fear of Snape)

-Pretending to give Ron Felix Felicis and the confidence he gets from it.  (This is probably 
not a necessary scene, but I love that potion.  It's one of the few HP gadgets that I would 
really like to have)

Must-keep big scenes:

-Spinners End  (Seems like this would have to stay in.  I found it such a shocking chapter)

-Confident!Harry weadling the memory from Slughorn.  (Again, really shows Harry 
maturing)

I'm sure other things will come to me, as people chime in.

--Cath









From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  6 19:50:03 2006
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:50:03 -0000
Subject: Cuts and Bruises/What are we dealing with?
Message-ID: <ds899b+m0nr@eGroups.com>

I mentioned this thread discussion to my husband, and he pointed out 
that pedorasty is far different from pedoplilia.  Apparently, 
pedorasty refers to post-pubescent teens as opposed to pre-pubescent 
children.  I just thought the distinction was interesting.

I, for my part, am a bit uncomfortable, not with the discussion, but 
with feeling attraction for someone so young.  That's why I always 
remind myself of his mummy.  That is exactly why I participated in the 
discussion; it can be helpful to confide these feelings with others.  
Think of it as "Dan Radcliffe Annonymous."  I'm a happily married 
woman who has no intention to indulge these feelings, but I'd like to 
be able to acknowledge they exist.

Emily






From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  6 20:43:57 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What kind of list do you want? was Odds and ends
In-Reply-To: <p06110401c00bd5dd4262@[217.154.249.215]>
Message-ID: <20060206204357.9455.qmail@web81906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>>
nicholas dean <nicholas at adelanta.co.uk> wrote:
   
  So here is the question; what kind of list do you want? Do you want 
to chat about the number of hairs on Dan Radcliffe's chest, or do you 
want to talk about movie techniques, camerawork, directors' 
interpretations and that sort of thing? I'm not suggesting for an 
instant that this should be a dry, humourless discussion with no 
interjections and ad-libs; but surely I am not the only one for whom 
talk about the personal attractions of the actors holds no interest 
whatsoever?
>>
   
  I joined this group after reading the description of the group and I thouht that the group was about movie techniques, camerawork, and directors' interpretation of the movies. I would enjoy more discussion on that. I consider myself a recent Harry Potter book and movie fan. I have read all the books and I have seen all the movies. I really appreciate having people share with me what they notice about the movies and about how they may interpret the movies. I would like to read more posts like those. 


Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From PenapartElf at aol.com  Mon Feb  6 21:26:45 2006
From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:26:45 -0500
Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU!
Message-ID: <8C7F97B2A5C6230-11A8-91D6@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com>

Ahem!

Mind if I yank the derailed trains of thoughts back onto the
tracks that meander in on-topic territories, namely the Harry
Potter films? This here is the Third and the last of the GoF
Soundtrack Giveaways at HPfGU.

As part of Warner Sunset Records' promotion of the Harry
Potter and the Goblet of Fire Original Motion Picture
Soundtrack in the US, CDs are being given away for free
here at HPfGU-Movie. You are hereby invited to enter this
contest for a copy of the soundtrack!

To enter, you must keep in mind that...

...the prizes can only be sent to mailing addresses in the US.

...you can contend for the CDs as often as you wish by
answering as many of the questions as you'd like (one entry
per question per member only please!); however, no one list
member can win more than one CD.  In other words, you
can enter again if you haven't won yet.

...the qualified, as described above, list member whose
email (with five correct answers to the question below)
gets onlist first at

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wins the third and last CD that we are giving away.

QUESTION:

Which of the cast members of GoF have performed onscreen
in non-HP films that also featured Patrick Doyle's music?
Name five of these thespians *and* each of the films on which
they have acting credits alongside Doyle's music/composer
credits. (Stick to films that have already been released: no
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pairings correct to win.

Please send your best shot to

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Remember, you only get one shot - the first five pairings that
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As winners will be contacted via offlist email, PLEASE be sure
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Best of luck to y'all - may your email service providers be swift!

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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Feb  6 22:28:23 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:28:23 -0000
Subject: What kind of list do you want? was Odds and ends
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas dean <nicholas at ...> 
wrote:
> So here is the question; what kind of list do you want?

Thank you for asking, Nicholas. Although, I normally remain in lurk 
mode and read the posts in my email as a daily digest, I have several 
comments to add. 

I joined this list some time ago (I think it was around CoS filming) 
because I had so many lists where I could discuss the books but this 
was the only one offering a place where grown ups could discuss the 
films. Be it, how the colors and symbolisms were used by Cuaron or 
how you wished something from the books was included or "why was that 
werewolf hairless and without a tail?" (sorry that one still bothers 
me.) Personally, I don't mind going back and discussing something 
from a previous movie that may have been digested already ? people 
come and go on the list and maybe there is a fresh point of view 
we "old timers" didn't think of. I suppose in those cases the post 
could start by saying "this may have been discussed before but
" With 
over 12,000 posts I don't blame a newbie for not wanting to search 
through the muck. And Yahoo Groups is not the friendliest for 
searching old posts (in my opinion). I also thought this list was for 
discussing whether we liked who was picked for a role, whether that 
actor did a good job, how the young stars are progressing and whether 
or not the older stars are doing a good job.

As for the drooling over Dan, well, I am a mother of two boys and I 
would have mixed feelings if someone was calling either of my sons a 
hunk (regardless of the persons age)
the protective momma bear ?
 "stop looking at my son" and the "of course I know he is a cutie" 
proud mom. Personally, I think that just saying an actor/actress is 
becoming a handsome young man/beautiful young lady is fine - as long 
as that is all it is (and I think it was). I think the issue that 
stemmed from this particular thread was that feelings started getting 
stepped on and we should always remember to be respectful of other 
opinions.

So, you ask what type of list we want
and I hope you can see that I 
feel it is a place to discuss the films ? be it technical 
discussions, comparisons to other films, comparisons to the books, 
discussions on acting abilities, who is chosen to play roles, what we 
think about the film makers (directors, and producers) and what we 
think those darn clues were in PoA that JKR mentions on the DVD 
interview. I also think it should be a place to discuss news articles 
or comments made else where about the actors and films (by the way 
the young woman chosen to play Tonks has a praising review at: 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4924971-113098,00.html.)  I 
like that people see news and post it here in case others have not 
seen it.  I really treasure the fact that this is a list of fellow 
grown ups like myself and we can still be huge HP fans but have grown 
up discussions and be grown ups about our discussions ? in other 
words, let other people have opposing opinions but be politely when 
you disagree.

Just fyi - I dread reading this non-HP forum that my dear husband 
reads because the people are often snippy towards one another. He 
usually just reads the posts and rarely post but whenever a really 
nasty one comes up he will laugh and say "honey look at this
" And 
that forum is supposed to be all grown ups too. I have always 
said "boy I am glad my HP groups aren't like that". So please, let us 
continue to have our wonderful discussions of the films and be 
respectful of one another. I always thought people who read books 
like HP are in the more intelligent part of the food chain (aren't 
we?). :o)

I am sure I have chatted long enough and I apologize for my long 
windedness.

Thank you,

Theresa








From fuzz876i at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  6 23:56:09 2006
From: fuzz876i at yahoo.com (fuzz876i)
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:56:09 -0000
Subject: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
Message-ID: <ds8nmp+6h1b@eGroups.com>

In The Goblet of Fire i missed seeing Dobby.  In the book he seemed to 
bring about the second task with the gillyweed.  In the Order of the 
Phoenix he provides the information of the room of requirement and 
tells Harry this is a good place for Dumbledore's Army to meet.  If he 
does not return in The Order of the Pheonix then will he return in The 
Half-blood prince or so you think they will omith the parts about 
Kreacher and Dobby both in either movie any thoughts?
Fuzz876i









From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Feb  7 00:43:36 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:43:36 -0000
Subject: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <ds8nmp+6h1b@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "fuzz876i" <fuzz876i at ...> wrote:
>
> In The Goblet of Fire i missed seeing Dobby.  In the book he seemed 
to 
> bring about the second task with the gillyweed.  In the Order of the 
> Phoenix he provides the information of the room of requirement and 
> tells Harry this is a good place for Dumbledore's Army to meet.  If 
he 
> does not return in The Order of the Pheonix then will he return in 
The 
> Half-blood prince or so you think they will omith the parts about 
> Kreacher and Dobby both in either movie any thoughts?
> Fuzz876i

Hiya Fuzz,
There was some thought on this list that since Dobby didn't make it 
into GOF, that most likely the screenwriters/director will omit house 
elves in OOP as well. I can't give you the specific post numbers but 
searching our list is not so onerous as the main list and you'll find 
it within the last 2 months or so, no doubt. According to our dearly 
departed former member Richard, Kreacher's role can easily be gotten 
around and they don't seem to need to keep in anything they can 
possibly omit.(He also wrote a great post detailing what he thought 
WOULD be in OOP, also worth a search) So don't get your hopes up for 
either elf next go round. After all, we already know we have one 
character to satisfy our CG needs, Grawp! Just take it as a clue that 
Dobby is not integral to the series as a whole if you don't see him. 
Jen D.incapable of coming up with anything snappy to say at this 
juncture...






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb  7 00:55:24 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:55:24 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <ds8nmp+6h1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <6BDF84D0-9774-11DA-8D6C-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 05:56 PM, fuzz876i wrote:

> In The Goblet of Fire i missed seeing Dobby.  In the book he seemed to
> bring about the second task with the gillyweed.  In the Order of the
> Phoenix he provides the information of the room of requirement and
> tells Harry this is a good place for Dumbledore's Army to meet.  If he
> does not return in The Order of the Pheonix then will he return in The
> Half-blood prince or so you think they will omith the parts about
> Kreacher and Dobby both in either movie any thoughts?
>
>


kchuplis:
Since there isn't the need to show tons of house elves in OoTP (as 
there was in GoF) and since Kreacher is fairly main plot important 
(unlike S.P.E.W) I think it's possible they will keep Dobby and 
Kreacher on for the next two. One would think they could afford it this 
time around with the pull from GoF. I still have a feeling Dobby will 
play a big part in 7. That comment about "powerful magic of their own" 
that wizards don't have and Dobby's fierce love of Harry Potter seem 
like it may become part of the end. (I am beginning to wonder if Dobby 
won' t be a "good guy" that snuffs it.)





From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Feb  7 01:10:44 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:10:44 -0000
Subject: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <6BDF84D0-9774-11DA-8D6C-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <ds8s2k+2jql@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
>> 
> kchuplis:
> Since there isn't the need to show tons of house elves in OoTP (as 
> there was in GoF) and since Kreacher is fairly main plot important 
> (unlike S.P.E.W) I think it's possible they will keep Dobby and 
> Kreacher on for the next two. One would think they could afford it 
this 
> time around with the pull from GoF. I still have a feeling Dobby 
will 
> play a big part in 7. That comment about "powerful magic of their 
own" 
> that wizards don't have and Dobby's fierce love of Harry Potter 
seem 
> like it may become part of the end. (I am beginning to wonder if 
Dobby 
> won' t be a "good guy" that snuffs it.)

Wotcher, Karen,
I agree with you that Dobby seems to get a lot of interesting play 
in the books. There is something about him, I can't put my finger on 
that unnerves me. But his non-appearance in GOF just seems ominous 
for his future role. I certainly wouldn't mind being wrong! His role 
in COS was manageable because the book itself was manageable, 
mostly. Remember how depressed people were to hear that the 
Valentine dwarfs wouldn't be included? I think after POA, we 
realized just how much the books would have to be trimmed in order 
to keep time down. And so it goes...
Jen D.






From nonnymouse_X at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  7 14:03:49 2006
From: nonnymouse_X at hotmail.com (ereshkigal_doom)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:03:49 -0000
Subject: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <ds8nmp+6h1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsa9c5+jbc5@eGroups.com>

Fuzz876i:
> In The Goblet of Fire i missed seeing Dobby.  In the book he seemed 
to 
> bring about the second task with the gillyweed.  In the Order of the 
> Phoenix he provides the information of the room of requirement and 
> tells Harry this is a good place for Dumbledore's Army to meet.  If 
he 
> does not return in The Order of the Pheonix then will he return in 
The 
> Half-blood prince or so you think they will omith the parts about 
> Kreacher and Dobby both in either movie any thoughts?

I reckon that Kreacher will be in OOTP, but not Dobby or Winky. 
Kreacher's treachery is important, and he gives a sense of Elves as 
beings that make choices for themselves rather than just being willing 
slaves. He is also an amusing character, with a distinctly different 
personality to Dobby. 

I think Winky was dropped from Goblet of Fire because she was 
basically just a female version of Dobby, and so a little redundant. I 
also think Dobby was dropped because he was not really necessary and 
the events did not really advance his character. Neither of these 
problems apply to Kreacher, and he would provide much comic relief in 
the Grimmauld Place scenes. Everyone loved Gollum after all, and 
Kreacher is a similar character.

Jan







From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Feb  7 16:39:31 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:39:31 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <dsaig3+prvs@eGroups.com>

Just for the record: "p(a)edophilia" and "pederasty" have very similar
derivations, but the latter has acquired a narrower significance,
relating specifically to physical activities and specifically to boys,
though there is no differentiation with regard to age groups.
The root "ped-" is "child" and "phil-" and "eras-" (or "eros") are
variations on "love".







From starjackson1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  7 16:49:22 2006
From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:49:22 -0000
Subject: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
Message-ID: <dsaj2i+gh8h@eGroups.com>

According to Wizard News, Gary Oldman has not been contacted about the 
part of Siris Black in Order of the Pheonix!

http://www.garyoldman.info/
http://www.wizardnews.com/story.20060206.html

Seems rather odd - considering the movie is going to start filming 
this month, and every other place I read he was listed as in the cast.

Could it be a hoax??







From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Tue Feb  7 18:20:54 2006
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:20:54 -0000
Subject: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <dsaj2i+gh8h@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsaoe6+c67n@eGroups.com>

"starjackson1" wrote:
>
> According to Wizard News, Gary Oldman has not been contacted about 
the 
> part of Siris Black in Order of the Pheonix!>>>


It may not be a hoax (I'm willing to consider it valid since it appears 
to be connected with his management, but of course you never know), but 
I find it highly unlikely that Sirius will not appear and if they were 
recasting I think by this point it would be public knowledge (and it 
sounds like he wants to do it). One thought I had is that the movies 
take a while to film. OOTP takes place in several locations so they may 
be working on everything at Hogwarts for instance first, then the 
Dursleys then Grimmauld Place etc...So even the filming begins soon. 
Sirius's stuff may not be filmed for a while in which case the yare 
focusing on the other casting (which is all still being done...and many 
roles just being announced now). I'm surprised they aren't still 
contracting the adults for more than one movie at a time. I recall the 
first two being mentioned as jointly contracted. That is what I find 
most unusual about the whole casting process as of late. I must say on 
a side note that I think casting Natalia Tena for Tonks is an excellent 
choice. I wasn't sure who she was at first, but when I looked her up 
and saw that she was Ellie from About a Boy and the girl from Mrs. 
Henderson Presents (Whose character name I can't remember, sorry!) I 
thought she would be great in that role. 

Lindsay







From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  7 18:52:48 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:52:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <dsaoe6+c67n@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060207185248.9145.qmail@web53204.mail.yahoo.com>


Check out Leaky Cauldron's take on the story.  They
are basically saying that it is highly unlikely to be
true - with lots of reasoning I don't have time to
repeat.

Sue


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From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  7 19:01:29 2006
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:01:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <1139334673.4326.83038.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060207190129.93351.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> 
> According to Wizard News, Gary Oldman has not been
> contacted about the 
> part of Siris Black in Order of the Pheonix!
> 
> http://www.garyoldman.info/
> http://www.wizardnews.com/story.20060206.html
> 
> Seems rather odd - considering the movie is going to
> start filming 
> this month, and every other place I read he was
> listed as in the cast.
> 
> Could it be a hoax??


It's up on Mugglenet too, and according to Mugglenet,
filming has already STARTED fo OotP (yesterday, in
fact) so I have to admit I'm VERY worried....

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From robert at robertgoodman.net  Tue Feb  7 19:09:06 2006
From: robert at robertgoodman.net (Robert Goodman)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:09:06 -0500
Subject: Calm down regarding Oldman! (was RE: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?)
In-Reply-To: <20060207185248.9145.qmail@web53204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060207190913.OUMR1593.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@MOBILEROBERT>

For those worried about Oldman's appearance/death in OotP, check out this
link from The Leaky Cauldron, take a deep breath, and drink a glass of
water. While there may not be a signed deal at this point, it could all just
be drama to better negotiating terms. Filming a movie is not done in order,
so the fact that filming has begun doesn't mean anything at this point
either....

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8334





From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  7 21:00:33 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:00:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <20060207190129.93351.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060207210033.54661.qmail@web53205.mail.yahoo.com>

Leaky now has definite confirmation from Warner Bros.
that Gary Oldman and David Thewlis will be back for
OOTP.- article at :

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8337


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From betsymarie123 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 02:45:35 2006
From: betsymarie123 at yahoo.com (Betsy Cortes)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 18:45:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Gary Oldman not in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <20060207190129.93351.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060208024535.9620.qmail@web60224.mail.yahoo.com>

Today, many HP websites announced that Gary and Thewlis will return for OoTP, but they will start filming during this summer.
   
  Betsy
  

Maria Holub <sopraniste at yahoo.com> wrote:
  > 
> According to Wizard News, Gary Oldman has not been
> contacted about the 
> part of Siris Black in Order of the Pheonix!
> 
> http://www.garyoldman.info/
> http://www.wizardnews.com/story.20060206.html
> 
> Seems rather odd - considering the movie is going to
> start filming 
> this month, and every other place I read he was
> listed as in the cast.
> 
> Could it be a hoax??


It's up on Mugglenet too, and according to Mugglenet,
filming has already STARTED fo OotP (yesterday, in
fact) so I have to admit I'm VERY worried....

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Feb  8 23:17:24 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:17:24 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF Fun Facts
Message-ID: <29b.50efbb1.311bd604@aol.com>

I was looking at the GoF page on Amazon.com and IMDB has provided  an 
interesting list of Fun Facts and errors -- for instance, Michael Gambon wore  his 
street clothes under his "flimsy" Dumbledore costume (weird!)  Viktor  Krum had 
a total of two lines which equals 21 words in the entire film  (according to 
this).  There's a HUGE list of them - go check it  out!
 
I went to see it because I read there was a new clip interviewing  Dan and 
Emma about future films as part of GoF -- Dan said he's looking forward  to the 
kissing scene with Cho, and the DA scenes, and Emma agreed, the DA stuff  was 
something she was looking forward to because Hermione got to be "clever" and  
"bossy" LOL!  Her hair was just as curly as it is when she's Hermione, so I  
guess that must be natural -- I always thought they curled it that way.
 
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From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 23:37:47 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 15:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <ds8nmp+6h1b@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060208233747.8522.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>

hey  fuzzy 876, yes mr.Dobby is in gof with his wife.......

fuzz876i <fuzz876i at yahoo.com> wrote:  In The Goblet of Fire i missed seeing Dobby.  In the book he seemed to 
bring about the second task with the gillyweed.  In the Order of the 
Phoenix he provides the information of the room of requirement and 
tells Harry this is a good place for Dumbledore's Army to meet.  If he 
does not return in The Order of the Pheonix then will he return in The 
Half-blood prince or so you think they will omith the parts about 
Kreacher and Dobby both in either movie any thoughts?
Fuzz876i








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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  9 05:23:40 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:23:40 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOTP casting
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On Feb 4, 2006, at 2:36 PM, kristaf0726 wrote:

> My sister found more pictures of the girl that is going to play Tonks -
>  kind of gives you an idea of what she'll look like!
> http://midnight-ljc.livejournal.com/115829.html
>
Wow! I pictured her older, and more angular. Maybe it's the outfit? But 
I can see this girl playing Tonks with pink spikey hair! Still can't 
picture Tonks with Lupin, though I love the 'opposites attract' 
contrast! LOL
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb  9 05:45:01 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:45:01 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What kind of list do you want?
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Oh for criminey's sakes, you guys! C'mon...quit the squabbling.
There is no chat group that is going to please everyone all the time. 
Some posts will interest you...great, respond! Some won't...great, 
don't respond! But it's not necessary to insult people for their 
thoughts. No one's forcing anyone to be bound to this group. If you 
enjoy it, stay. If you don't, there is about 1,000 other HP sites you 
can access.
I, for one, enjoy most of the discussions here. Those that I don't, I 
skim over.
Val




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb  9 22:10:53 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:10:53 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter fountain pens
Message-ID: <dsgeld+mmvf@eGroups.com>

I just wanted to let you guys know, if anyone wants to buy some Harry 
Potter fountain pens, there is a fellow that is going to get some to 
send U.S. side soon. 

Go to: http://www.pentrace.com/PenMarket.htm

Scroll down to the Harry Potter thread.

I had to hunt mine off ebay. They don't come up very often. This will 
be much better. I really love mine. (see them here 

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kchuplis/slideshow2?.dir=5ee3&.beg=0&.src=
ph

Just thought I'd let y'all know. They are great movie memorabilia and I 
really enjoy using mine everyday. I have bought different colored 
cartridges to make them even more fun. 








From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Feb 10 02:51:47 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:51:47 -0000
Subject: OOTP casting
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> On Feb 4, 2006, at 2:36 PM, kristaf0726 wrote:
> 
> > My sister found more pictures of the girl that is going to play 
Tonks -
> >  kind of gives you an idea of what she'll look like!
> > http://midnight-ljc.livejournal.com/115829.html
> >
> Wow! I pictured her older, and more angular. Maybe it's the outfit? 
But 
> I can see this girl playing Tonks with pink spikey hair! Still 
can't 
> picture Tonks with Lupin, though I love the 'opposites attract' 
> contrast! LOL
> Valerie
> 
Well these pictures are about 4 years old and some of the recent 
stuff she has done - her face doesn't look so childlike. She really 
was quite good in About a Boy which is where all these photos are 
from. I saw a picture off a link on Leaky and she has grown up into a 
rather pretty lady. She is also one of the ladies in Mrs Henderson 
Presents. I haven't seen that film yet and if I do it will have to be 
late night when the kiddos are asleep. By the way, Norma Heyman 
(David Heyman's mother) was the producer for Mrs. Henderson Presents. 
I wonder if she recommended her for the role. Tad bit interesting 
anyway. I know that Richard Harris was an old family friend of theirs 
but then he was a wonderful actor so he deserved it. I have high 
hopes for Natalie since I loved her in About a Boy. So I can picture 
her with the pink hair. As for being in love with Lupin. Well, 
Natalie is 20ish and David Thewlis is in his early 40s so that will 
emphasize the "age gap" Lupin whines about in HBP. That still to me 
came out of left field in the book. Oh well, it is out there now! ;o)

Theresa






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Feb 10 02:59:17 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:59:17 -0000
Subject: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <20060208233747.8522.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dsgvi5+o68e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mike Daron <mike4521daron at ...> 
wrote:
>
> hey  fuzzy 876, yes mr.Dobby is in gof with his wife.......
> 
Dobby's wife???? If you are referring to Winky, well as far as I 
could tell reading GOF - they weren't married. Anyway, I think Fuzzy 
was referring to the fact that they were not in the film GOF. I miss 
him too. That was so cute in the book when he gave Harry the 
gillyweed and said he needed to go and get his "weezy". 

However, I must admit I do not think he is too essential in OotP. 
Other than picking up the hats and stuff Hermione makes and 
suggesting the meeting location he was not very prominent. Kreacher 
on the other hand I think has a key role. Shows that Sirius isn't 
very nice to his subordinents just like he accussed Crouch. Also, he 
makes Harry think Sirius went to the MOM. He is a little creep. As 
for Dobby and the Room of Requirements, Harry could mention that 
Dobby told him or he found a place by looking on the map and the film 
makers wouldn't need Dobby.


Theresa






From fuzz876i at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 10 04:32:13 2006
From: fuzz876i at yahoo.com (fuzz876i)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:32:13 -0000
Subject: No subject
In-Reply-To: <dsaig3+prvs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsh50d+p607@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:
>
> Just for the record: "p(a)edophilia" and "pederasty" have very 
similar
> derivations, but the latter has acquired a narrower significance,
> relating specifically to physical activities and specifically to 
boys,
> though there is no differentiation with regard to age groups.
> The root "ped-" is "child" and "phil-" and "eras-" (or "eros") are
> variations on "love".
>
Just a few more thoughts here.  I am glad that some one brought this 
up.  Dahmer's victims were teenage boys this was due to sexual 
molestation by his father who in turn was truly his first victim he 
burried him in the woods beside his house.  

Both words you used are form the greek derivative and both have greek 
prefixes.  Eras or eros are both latin and refer to sexual love not 
just avariation on love.

fuzz








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Feb 10 04:50:41 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:50:41 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: relationships in HP
In-Reply-To: <dsgv43+v51p@eGroups.com>
References: <dsgv43+v51p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <a5827ea0e84c55f5b86c52f51aa9ead8@verizon.net>


On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:51 PM, Theresa wrote:
<snip>
As for being in love with Lupin. Well,
>  Natalie is 20ish and David Thewlis is in his early 40s so that will 
> emphasize the "age gap" Lupin whines about in HBP. That still to me 
> came out of left field in the book. Oh well, it is out there now! ;o)
>
That was bizarre, wasn't it? I was sure it was Sirius that she was 
pining over. Ah well, Lupin deserves some happiness! Such a good 
guy...such a hard life.
I certainly hope that the movie version of HBP gives us more 
satisfaction with the final culmination of Ron/Hermione's relationship. 
After seeing them bickering for 3+ books/movies, I hope they at least 
show a dramatic coming together kiss (such as the Harry/Jenny kiss). I 
thought the way the book handled the Ron/Hermione union was very 
anticlimactic.
But then again, that's just the hopeless soap-opera romantic in me!
Val


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Feb 10 04:54:50 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:54:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <dsgvi5+o68e@eGroups.com>
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On Feb 9, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Theresa wrote:
<snip> However, I must admit I do not think he is too essential in OotP.
>  Other than picking up the hats and stuff Hermione makes and
>  suggesting the meeting location he was not very prominent. Kreacher 
> on the other hand I think has a key role. Shows that Sirius isn't very 
> nice to his subordinents just like he accussed Crouch. Also, he makes 
> Harry think Sirius went to the MOM. He is a little creep. As for Dobby 
> and the Room of Requirements, Harry could mention that Dobby told him 
> or he found a place by looking on the map and the filmmakers wouldn't 
> need Dobby.
>
I won't miss the whiny/crying/drunken Winky, but I do miss Dobby. Just 
recently rewatched COS, for the gazillionth time, and I do love Dobby. 
Such a great CG cinematic achievement. He looked so very real. I love 
his facial expressions and how he stands up to Lucius in the end.
Valerie

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From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 10 17:11:28 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:11:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: will dobby return for order of the pheonix
In-Reply-To: <dsgvi5+o68e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060210171128.12344.qmail@web52912.mail.yahoo.com>

hey , you're right,Dobby is Winky's boyfriend.yeah I through that Dobby was in GOF,I do know that Dobby is in Order of Phoenix.

Theresa <anmsmom333 at cox.net> wrote:  --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mike Daron <mike4521daron at ...> 
wrote:
>
> hey  fuzzy 876, yes mr.Dobby is in gof with his wife.......
> 
Dobby's wife???? If you are referring to Winky, well as far as I 
could tell reading GOF - they weren't married. Anyway, I think Fuzzy 
was referring to the fact that they were not in the film GOF. I miss 
him too. That was so cute in the book when he gave Harry the 
gillyweed and said he needed to go and get his "weezy". 

However, I must admit I do not think he is too essential in OotP. 
Other than picking up the hats and stuff Hermione makes and 
suggesting the meeting location he was not very prominent. Kreacher 
on the other hand I think has a key role. Shows that Sirius isn't 
very nice to his subordinents just like he accussed Crouch. Also, he 
makes Harry think Sirius went to the MOM. He is a little creep. As 
for Dobby and the Room of Requirements, Harry could mention that 
Dobby told him or he found a place by looking on the map and the film 
makers wouldn't need Dobby.


Theresa





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From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Fri Feb 10 21:49:40 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:49:40 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <dsj1pk+3do5@eGroups.com>

The "eros" which provides the ending of the word pederast is the Greek
word for love in its physical connotation, and is personified in the
Greek god of love Eros. The "philos" in p(a)edophile is a Greek word for
love in another sense, a different variety of the concept of love,
such as that conveyed in the word philosophy, the love of wisdom.
Many originally Greek origins found their way into English through
Latin, so that neologisms such as these may be described as "Modern
Latin". The equivalent English words of other derivations, such as
"love", tend to be more concise, and more all-embracing, so to speak!






From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Feb 10 23:18:01 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:18:01 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
Message-ID: <dsj6v9+djt7@eGroups.com>


Hi Film lovers, 

This post is an amalgam of things I saw in GOF, themes, motifs that 
sort of thing. Please bear with me. I want to get something we can 
discuss up on the list but I will need your participation! At 
whatever level you choose to contribute, I will appreciate it very 
much!

The most easily-discernable theme "things are not what they seem" 
goes along with the "thriller" thread the movie was built on. All 
through the film, it's evident people, things and situations are 
giving false or mistaken impressions that can not be trusted. 
Sometimes these things work in parallel with another very similar 
object or situation. The first thing that jumped out at me was the 
tent at the World Cup. It looked like a little pup tent and then, 
voila! A wonderful huge multi-room tent/vacation cabin. The parallel 
at the other end was the trunk that Real Moody was imprisoned in. 
It's a curious object but no one would suspect that it is the prison 
that holds the real Moody for nine months. But let's step back a 
little bit further. The World Cup starts out as a wonderful 
international athletic event. Before its end, it's the scene of 
mayhem, chaos and foreshadows impending evil. And that parallels the 
Tri Wizard Tournament, an exciting (if somewhat dangerous
) 
international event for school age wizards that's really the vehicle 
to deliver Harry Potter to the DL and thereby facilitate his 
rebirth. 

There are also things that are not what they seem and run in 
parallel The most obvious example is the famous "manky old boot" and 
it's twin port key, the Tri Wizard Cup. Each in its own way plays an 
important role in advancing the plot  (the manky old boot plants for 
us the clue that any object can be made into a portkey) and again, 
the bookend effect is attractive. Fred and George's aging potion is 
also an example of a thing that does not behave as expected, but 
given that Fred and George brewed it up, it's remarkable. The 
Marauder's Map is a fine example, on the face of it, a bit of old 
parchment, but in reality a powerful weapon that didn't get much 
play this time. I am sure there are other fine examples but my brain 
is closing down on me and I'd love for others of you to pitch in 
with your examples. 

No one is what they seem either! Obviously, FakeMoody is the star 
among the pretenders but there are others. Dumbledore is not what he 
seems. We are accustomed to seeing him as all knowing, in control, 
the wise protector of Hogwarts (and the Wizarding World, not 
doubt!), but in GOF, he's off his game, not sure what's happening 
and has few answers. Snape, of course, has never been what ever he 
seems. He is the ultimate question but that's for another time, 
another film. Karkarov is the most thinly disguised but still he 
masquerades. Much more successful is Lucius Malfoy, playing the 
respectable member of society whilst carousing with his fellow Death 
Eaters under cover of darkness and masks. Cedric offers us a complex 
example of things not being what they seem. He is the Golden Boy, 
that's obvious, and with that comes the obvious enjoyment of his 
position. He seems only a little upset at the "Potter Stinks" 
buttons; at least enough to make the right noises to Harry. We are 
tempted to buy into BookHarry's estimation of him "useless pretty 
boy" until the maze and then we see what he's made of and it's 
good.  And I shouldn't forget Harry. His role is that of hapless 
underdog and while he feels that role to the bottom of his trainers, 
he miraculously comes out on top after two of the three tasks. There 
are other examples that get greater emphasis in the book; Barty 
Crouch Sr., Madame Maxime, Ludo Bagman, but they don't get screen 
time. And my very favorite example was Hermione. Now if we'd had 
BookHermy, it would have been spectacular, but given that Emma 
Watson doesn't have the bushy mane or over-large teeth, the 
transformation was beautiful but not the mind-boggling change it 
could have been. Still, it was lovely to see her stepping into young 
womanhood. With the exception of DD (who I think was played out of 
character, too jumpy, too clueless and anxious), I think the 
filmmaker and writers got characters(and their masks) right. I don't 
know if it completely redeems hurried plotting and failed plotting 
(the ending, oh that ending!!) but it sure goes a long way towards 
making the film satisfying in many ways. 

So please, if you want to pick this apart, add to it, call it into 
question, shout "huzzah" or throw rotten tomatoes, do so. I am sick 
unto death of other things we have been discussing, other non-film 
subjects and I want us to get back to FILM!!!!
Hearts and flowers,
Jen D.







From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 11 15:07:27 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:27 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <dsj6v9+djt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dskujf+36f0@eGroups.com>

Definitely some good stuff here, Jen. I'd like to comment on Cedric 
for a moment, he reminds me a bit of what James Potter must have 
been like when he attended Hogwarts - a confident young man with his 
own circle of friends. Unfortunately like James, Cedric also had a 
brief life and was a victim of Voldemort. Cedric is obviously the 
tragic figure of the movie. For me when he died it really brought 
home the true evil and blackness of Voldemort.

I like your theme of things not being what they seem. It radiates 
throughout JK's work providing plenty of surprises - most of all an 
entire magical world hidden from human eyes. You could make the 
arguement that the Harry Potter films (last 2 particularily) really 
do make good thrillers. So are these films family fare or a 
Hitchcock type thriller mixed in with a story about growing up and 
dealing with teenage angst surrounded by an amazing magical world. 

One last comment and again I think this would follow along with your 
comments, the ending was not good in GOF. It almost seemed like 
being on the Hogwarts Express and having it come to a grinding halt, 
here perhaps is where some material from the book might have been 
welcome to give the film a more complete wrap up.









From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Feb 11 19:36:52 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:36:52 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <dskujf+36f0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsleck+l73t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "phoenix_kevin" 
<phoenix_kevin at ...> wrote:
>
> Definitely some good stuff here, Jen. I'd like to comment on Cedric 
> for a moment, he reminds me a bit of what James Potter must have 
> been like when he attended Hogwarts - a confident young man with his 
> own circle of friends. Unfortunately like James, Cedric also had a 
> brief life and was a victim of Voldemort. Cedric is obviously the 
> tragic figure of the movie. For me when he died it really brought 
> home the true evil and blackness of Voldemort.
> 
>SNIPPED
Jen D. here. I like your comparison with James although I have seen 
more of James at 15 than I would have liked and I don't get the 
impression that Ced thought that overmuch of himself. But yes, the 
comparison is apt. Two more obvious examples: Viktor Krum, not the 
DeathEater-in-training that a student of Karkarov's might be expected 
to be, and Fleur. Now I have to say the contrast in BookFleur was much 
more pronounced because we got to see that silver sheath of vela hair 
flip around a lot more and the cool exterior was played up to the 
hilt, but Fleur of the film was not the calm cool champion she seemed 
to be at the beginning. She positively fell all over herself to thank 
Harry and lucky Ron(MERCI!)at Gabrielle's rescue.And happily enough, 
these were pleasant discoveries. I keep trying to work out other 
characters. I think, hope, keep several digits crossed that in future, 
Peter will go into this category. If I don't miss my guess, he let 
Barty Crouch escape on purpose (to repay that life debt) but, as per 
usual, that's another film again.
Anymore ideas? I don't think we could have finished just yet...
Jen D., wondering what else we can dig up to fit this theme...






From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 12 03:05:16 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:05:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <dsj6v9+djt7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060212030516.68670.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jen, 
   
  I like your interpretation of this. You came up with a lot of great examples. Do you think that Harry has a special way of being able to see past those things that may not be as they seem. He was able to understand that Draco was not the best person to be friends with in SS when Draco introduced himself. Draco claimed to know who best to be associated with and Harry said that he could figure that out for himself. Harry chooses to be friends with Ron instead and later we see that Harry is friends with Nevil who is a very good wizard if he could just not be so nervous. Nevil turns out to be quite a talent in the books. In GoF Nevil is the one who finds the solution of the Gillyweed. In GoF when they are in the maze, Harry understands how the maze works and understands that others in the maze are not how they show themselves. Victor is consumed by the need to win that he starts to show an almost evil side to himself.


Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Feb 12 13:12:22 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:12:22 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <20060212030516.68670.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dsnc7m+e2jo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle <silverstreams at ...> wrote:
>
> Jen, 
>    
>   I like your interpretation of this. You came up with a lot of 
great examples. Do you think that Harry has a special way of being 
able to see past those things that may not be as they seem. He was 
able to understand that Draco was not the best person to be friends 
with in SS when Draco introduced himself. Draco claimed to know who 
best to be associated with and Harry said that he could figure that 
out for himself. Harry chooses to be friends with Ron instead and 
later we see that Harry is friends with Nevil who is a very good 
wizard if he could just not be so nervous. Nevil turns out to be 
quite a talent in the books. In GoF Nevil is the one who finds the 
solution of the Gillyweed. In GoF when they are in the maze, Harry 
understands how the maze works and understands that others in the 
maze are not how they show themselves. Victor is consumed by the 
need to win that he starts to show an almost evil side to himself.
> 
> 
> Candle 
>    
>   May there always be a light to guide you.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Hi,
Actually two things need clearing up. Neville is quite a talent at 
herbology so FakeMoody planted the book about waterplants on him, 
during their little (off screen) tea time. FakeMoody expected Harry 
to turn to everyone for help and he didn't. Finally, the night 
before the task, FakeMoody had to plant Neville in the library with 
Harry in hopes that the two would talk about the task. I like how 
this was accomplished in the book much better with Dobby's 
intervention but you can't have everything. So whilst (love saying 
that, makes me feel so British) Neville is a whiz at herbology, he 
was not what he seemed in this instance, but a plant! (Love that 
little word-play). Also, Viktor's horrible evil look inside the maze 
was the result of FakeMoody's doing as well. He put Viktor under the 
Imperious curse to have him take out Cedric. So Viktor was the 
unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I can't remember if 
Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone 
else remember?
Jen D.








From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 12 17:57:21 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:57:21 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <dsnc7m+e2jo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsnsu1+r1mp@eGroups.com>

 Neville is quite a talent at 
> herbology so FakeMoody planted the book about waterplants on him, 
> during their little (off screen) tea time. FakeMoody expected 
Harry 
> to turn to everyone for help and he didn't. Finally, the night 
> before the task, FakeMoody had to plant Neville in the library 
with 
> Harry in hopes that the two would talk about the task. I like how 
> this was accomplished in the book much better with Dobby's 
> intervention but you can't have everything. So whilst (love saying 
> that, makes me feel so British) Neville is a whiz at herbology, he 
> was not what he seemed in this instance, but a plant! (Love that 
> little word-play). Also, Viktor's horrible evil look inside the 
maze 
> was the result of FakeMoody's doing as well. He put Viktor under 
the 
> Imperious curse to have him take out Cedric. So Viktor was the 
> unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I can't remember if 
> Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone 
> else remember?
> Jen D.

It was a better storline allowing Neville to suggest the solution to 
Harry. It really advertised Neville's growing expertise in 
Herblology and allowed him to take a larger role in the movie. Over 
the entire movie series you could say Neville is becoming a great 
example of "Not what you'd expect".

I hadn't realised Viktor was under the Imperious curse. It certainly 
explains the almost demonic look he had. I don't remember Harry 
giving any indication he knew, perhaps he did.

I was in a discussion last night where it was mentioned that James 
had a lot more talent when he was Cedric's and as you said certainly 
more full of himself. 






From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Sun Feb 12 18:43:09 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:43:09 EST
Subject: Not what they seem:
Message-ID: <2eb.ffdbf3.3120dbbd@aol.com>

Jen D.

So Viktor was the unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I can't 
remember if 
Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone else 
remember?


Jade:

I remember Harry is holding Cedric back saying Viktor was bewitched. He knew 
something was wrong before Cedric regained himself and lept to finish Viktor 
off.




From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Feb 12 19:23:17 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:23:17 -0000
Subject: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <2eb.ffdbf3.3120dbbd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dso1v5+4hmo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, dragonjcndm2 at ... wrote:
>
> Jen D.
> 
> So Viktor was the unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I 
can't 
> remember if 
> Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone 
else 
> remember?
> 
> 
> Jade:
> 
> I remember Harry is holding Cedric back saying Viktor was 
bewitched. He knew 
> something was wrong before Cedric regained himself and lept to 
finish Viktor 
> off.

Hi Jade,
Yes, you are right, Harry did know in the film. It was the book that 
he didn't suspect. Strange little twist there. And again, concerning 
Neville, I really don't want to take anything away from him but 
FakeMoody planted the proper information on him and yes, if he 
weren't a talented herbologist, he mightn't known to tell Harry, but 
he was manipulated to do so. In the book, this bit was used to show 
how Harry was almost arrogant in his inability to ask for help. 
Later when FM figured that he wouldn't go to his batchmates, he had 
to enlist Winky's help. So, the film way was neater and avoided 
Winky which is what I think they are most likely going to do for 
house elves in general. It will make the plot different but they 
seem to be able to negotiate the necessary hurdles without elves. 
Which is a bit sad when you think that much of what drives the "BIG 
PICTURE" of this story is how the WW relates to non-Wizards such as 
muggles, giants, goblins, werewolves, house elves etc. But time is 
the enemy. 
Jen D.
>







From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk  Sun Feb 12 23:08:06 2006
From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:08:06 +0000
Subject: Reading the archives, was What kind of list do you want?
In-Reply-To: <07EFE33B-969E-11DA-9E18-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
References: <07EFE33B-969E-11DA-9E18-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <p06110401c0155fc2d72e@[217.154.255.1]>

Karen said:-

>  I still believe there was a
>lot of furor over something meant as frivolous and light, which you
>also apparently took offense to.


I wasn't offended; others were. I said that, in my opinion, the 
discussion was inappropriate for the list, and I gave my reasons why.


>Karen again:-
>As to rehashing topics, I really do not see how you can avoid it. As
>you point out,


Not me, it was Joj

>it takes a substantial amount of time to go back and
>read years worth of posts.

Does it? I noticed that Joj also said that the archives were 
difficult to access, so I took the last 20 minutes of my lunch hour 
on Friday to go back to the very beginning. They're not difficult at 
all. I read the first 50 posts on the list; all of them, every word 
except the reposts, and was interrupted twice by the phone; but I 
still finished the 50 posts within the 20 minutes. There are over 
12000 posts in the archives, some of them one-liners, and some of 
them on threads that you won't be interested in (casting predictions 
for movies that have now been released, etc); but if you wanted to 
read them all, it wouldn't be an impossible task.  In fact, I found a 
treasure in my trawl through the archives; someone had posted an 
interview with Alan Rickman (Alan Rickman! who never gives 
interviews!) about his take on Snape. Just imagine what other hidden 
treasures are lurking in the files!  Last week I read through 1750 
posts from the main list (I have fallen a bit behind on that one 
since the middle of last month). It took me a little over an hour, 
because in that case I don't read every post, just the threads which 
are of interest (and I was watching 'University Challenge' for part 
of the time).

>  I somehow feel we are being hand slapped
>again. I, indeed, *would* like more in depth discussion but light
>heartedness is never out of line IMO. In fact, there were some bits of
>camera work I was thinking about talking about in PoA and some other
>technical details, but it seems, if I tread on toes, as others seem to
>have done, by bringing up something 2 years ago when PoA was released,
>I might just be boring you and stepping out of what you want from the
>list. I believe what is bothering me most is that you wish a closed
>list with people who have been here all along so as not to bother you
>with repetition.

I see where you are going with this, but I'm not playing, sorry.

>  I am rather late to the Potter world. Just never had
>been exposed until, really, this last year when a friend really pushed
>me to read the books and see the movies.


Then  I *really* don't understand why you are so averse to reading 
the archives. If it were me in the early stages of a new interest, I 
would want to read everything I could get hold of on the subject, and 
to have such a rich resource at one's fingertips (literally!) is 
invaluable.

Anyway, Val reminds us that we are being boring. She also bravely says:-

>No one's forcing anyone to be bound to this group. If you
>enjoy it, stay. If you don't, there is about 1,000 other HP sites you
can access.

But  I'm sure she wrote this tongue-in-cheek to make us laugh after 
what I said in my previous post about whoever would make this point.

Well, it was a week ago that I asked what kind of list everyone 
wanted. Of the thousands of members, only three posted to say that 
they were interested in a discussion of the technical aspects of the 
movies. I have to conclude therefore that it's not a priority  with 
most of you.

****
I wrote the above and the following sentence this morning before 
going out for lunch. A fellow-guest turned out to be one of the 
technicians working on the special effects for the HP movies! He had 
some interesting stories to tell about the things they have done so 
far, and dropped some discreet hints about what they are working on 
for OoP. Since you're not interested in the techie stuff, I won't 
bore you with the details, but I couldn't believe the irony of the 
timing of this!

****

So I'm off; to a list where the members are civil, the logic is 
strong, and all the posts are above average.

Over and out,
Nicholas

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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Mon Feb 13 00:45:51 2006
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:45:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Reading the archives, was What kind of list do you want?
References: <07EFE33B-969E-11DA-9E18-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> <p06110401c0155fc2d72e@[217.154.255.1]>
Message-ID: <001101c63036$d6e66b30$a232cc45@bumbargey3ogmz>

From: "nicholas dean"

> >Karen again:-
> >As to rehashing topics, I really do not see how you can avoid it. As
> >you point out,
>
>
> Not me, it was Joj

Joj:
Um, no I didn't.


> >it takes a substantial amount of time to go back and
> >read years worth of posts.
>
> Does it? I noticed that Joj also said that the archives were
> difficult to access, so I took the last 20 minutes of my lunch hour
> on Friday to go back to the very beginning.

Actually, I didn't.  You can search on your lunch break to find out who did.


> So I'm off; to a list where the members are civil, the logic is
> strong, and all the posts are above average.
>
> Over and out,
> Nicholas

Bon Voyage!

*)
..*) .*)
(. (. ~*Joj*~




From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Feb 13 15:50:59 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:50:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1411
In-Reply-To: <1139764146.1037.54655.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1139764146.1037.54655.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C7FECC6B3A895D-163C-3828@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com>

>>Viktor was the 
unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I can't remember if 
Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone 
else remember?
Jen D.<<
 
Yes, Harry told Cedric not to curse Viktor when he was down because Viktor was "bewitched."  So Harry knew Viktor was uner a spell 
 
Lynda 


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From chintz22 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 13 20:07:47 2006
From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:07:47 -0000
Subject: Oldman and Thewlis
Message-ID: <dsqouj+fuba@eGroups.com>

Hi All, 

First, I was glad to see the confirmation that both these actors will 
return for OOP.  I wondered how folks thought the scriptwriter and the 
actors will handle the SB/RL ship undercurrents that many see in OOP?  
Do you think this will be ignored or do you think some subtle 
recognition will be included? 








From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Mon Feb 13 23:32:09 2006
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:32:09 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsqouj+fuba@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsr4tp+ua9c@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "chintz22" <chintz22 at ...> wrote:<<<<<
> First, I was glad to see the confirmation that both these actors will 
> return for OOP.>>>>>

The WB has sort of recanted and said that at least Oldman is just in
negotiations. I think it will end up with him in it and the rumours
just got out of hand, but we'll see I suppose...

<<<<I wondered how folks thought the scriptwriter and the 
> actors will handle the SB/RL ship undercurrents that many see in OOP?  
> Do you think this will be ignored or do you think some subtle 
> recognition will be included?
>>>>>>

I don't think there is a real SB/RL ship undercurrent. I think it can
be interpreted that way, but I just think it's a very strong
friendship. I think often times incredibly close relationships
especially male relationships sometimes come off that way, but it's
not an actual sexual thing. Kevin Smith talked about it on his Clerks
dvd (a movie that many seem to think illustrates a similiar point) and
he said (I'm putting this in less vulgar terms just so you know) that
the closest male relationships are pretty much one step away from
romantic. And I think that's true, but I definitely don't think there
is even a hint at anything sexual happening between Remus and Sirius
so I don't really see it as an issue. Plus I think it would seem less
"shipp-y" for lack of a better word if they had more friends (James is
dead and Peter is hardly a friend) so we don't see similiar
interactions that would make them just seem like a group of
fraternally close friends.

Lindsay







From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Feb 14 05:59:33 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 05:59:33 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsr4tp+ua9c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsrrk5+3agf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay!!" <DANCERWH86 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "chintz22" <chintz22@> 
wrote:<<<<<
> > First, I was glad to see the confirmation that both these actors 
will 
> > return for OOP.>>>>>
> 
> The WB has sort of recanted and said that at least Oldman is just in
> negotiations. I think it will end up with him in it and the rumours
> just got out of hand, but we'll see I suppose...
> 
> <<<<I wondered how folks thought the scriptwriter and the 
> > actors will handle the SB/RL ship undercurrents that many see in 
OOP?  
> > Do you think this will be ignored or do you think some subtle 
> > recognition will be included?
> >>>>>>
> 
> I don't think there is a real SB/RL ship undercurrent. I think it 
can
> be interpreted that way, but I just think it's a very strong
> friendship. I think often times incredibly close relationships
> especially male relationships sometimes come off that way, but it's
> not an actual sexual thing. Kevin Smith talked about it on his 
Clerks
> dvd (a movie that many seem to think illustrates a similiar point) 
and
> he said (I'm putting this in less vulgar terms just so you know) 
that
> the closest male relationships are pretty much one step away from
> romantic. And I think that's true, but I definitely don't think 
there
> is even a hint at anything sexual happening between Remus and Sirius
> so I don't really see it as an issue. Plus I think it would seem 
less
> "shipp-y" for lack of a better word if they had more friends (James 
is
> dead and Peter is hardly a friend) so we don't see similiar
> interactions that would make them just seem like a group of
> fraternally close friends.
> 
> Lindsay
>
Well said Lindsay! I would have to agree whole heartedly with you. I 
have never understood what others say is this romantic undertone 
between these two characters. I have had many friends who and men 
that have wonderful relationships with other men. My husband and his 
best friends are rather close and none of them would even think of 
being intimate with a man. They just act like brothers but not by 
blood. That is how I pictured James/Sirius/Remus and yes Peter while 
they were at school and shortly after. I think that is why Peter's 
betrayal was both shocking and extremely painful. These four boys 
were as close as could be - not romantically but true powerful 
friendship that is beyond measure. It is like two of my male friends 
(who are such good friends with one another) always say when they 
greet one another - "Hey my brother of a different mother!" That is 
my 2 knuts on this subject.

Also, I hope Gary is back because I thought he was wonderful as 
Sirius and have always loved his work so I cannot wait to see him in 
freak out mode at Grimmauld Place. I can picture him doing a "One Who 
Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" expression with his eyes. Hope he doesn't 
get too greedy asking for money so they have to choose someone else. 
That would be a shame. But on the same token I hope WB doesn't get 
all cheap on us. I long to hear Gary say the lines "I see you've met 
my mother" and "and it's getting blacker every day."

Theresa







From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Feb 14 14:04:37 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:04:37 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsrrk5+3agf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dsso1l+i7ch@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
> > 
> > I don't think there is a real SB/RL ship undercurrent. I think 
it 
> can
> > be interpreted that way, but I just think it's a very strong
> > friendship. I think often times incredibly close relationships
> > especially male relationships sometimes come off that way, but 
it's
> > not an actual sexual thing. SNIP
> > Lindsay
> >
> Well said Lindsay! I would have to agree whole heartedly with you. 
I 
> have never understood what others say is this romantic undertone 
> between these two characters. I have had many friends who and men 
> that have wonderful relationships with other men. My husband and 
his 
> best friends are rather close and none of them would even think of 
> being intimate with a man. They just act like brothers but not by 
> blood. That is how I pictured James/Sirius/Remus and yes Peter 
while 
> they were at school and shortly after. I think that is why Peter's 
> betrayal was both shocking and extremely painful. These four boys 
> were as close as could be - not romantically but true powerful 
> friendship that is beyond measure. It is like two of my male 
friends 
> (who are such good friends with one another) always say when they 
> greet one another - "Hey my brother of a different mother!" That 
is 
> my 2 knuts on this subject.
> 
> Also, I hope Gary is back because I thought he was wonderful as 
> Sirius and have always loved his work so I cannot wait to see him 
in 
> freak out mode at Grimmauld Place. 
SNIP
> Theresa

Hi guys, 
Back when POA first came out, someone posted that Lupin had all the 
earmarks of a gay man, he wore tweeds, had a quiet and retiring 
demeanor and loved jazz. Nicholas (our late list member) to his 
great credit wrote that those words describe about half the men in 
Britain! What a laugh! 
Jen D.
>








From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 14 15:03:09 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:03:09 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
References: <dsso1l+i7ch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <005501c63177$c4b567d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Jen:

> Back when POA first came out, someone posted that Lupin had all the
> earmarks of a gay man, he wore tweeds, had a quiet and retiring
> demeanor and loved jazz. Nicholas (our late list member) to his
> great credit wrote that those words describe about half the men in
> Britain! What a laugh!
> Jen D.

kchuplis:
Or half the men in the academic world period. I'm really at a loss to see
all this shipping between the mauraders. People can and do have close
friendships that are not necessarily sexual. I think the only couple I saw
in the books that probably fit this mold it is the writer and the vampire at
Slughorn's party. For some reason, I really did think they were a romantic
couple. (I just pray they keep that whole party scene, which is absolutely
priceless, in the movie).





From chintz22 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 14 16:16:54 2006
From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:16:54 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsr4tp+ua9c@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dssvpm+us2d@eGroups.com>

Thanks for the responses.  To weigh in on this topic in more detail, I 
think the whole question of SB/RL is open ended.  For me there's 
certainly enough evidence in POA the film and OOP the book to make it a 
possibility, but I'm not wedded to the idea (pardon the pun).  I 
definitely felt an undercurrent of it in POA the film, but I don't know 
who was responsible?the director, the scriptwriter, the actors?  Since 
OOP has a different director and scriptwriter it will be interesting to 
see if there is any subtext in the new film (somehow, I could see 
Oldman trying to slip something in...).  

As far as the casting news goes, I was going on the WB confirmation on 
2/7 that everything had been ironed out; I hadn't read the rebuttal on 
2/8 from Oldman's camp about no contract so it apparently hasn't been 
settled yet.  Hope they get it ironed out soon.  I was so disappointed 
there wasn't more of Oldman in GOF and I'm very much looking forward to 
seeing what he does at #12.  Because we've heard naught from Thewlis' 
camp can we assume he is confirmed?  Frankly, I'd be more upset if he 
didn't reprise his role?David Thewlis is one of my very favorite actors 
and he just nailed the part of Lupin for me.  








From chintz22 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 14 16:23:57 2006
From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:23:57 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsso1l+i7ch@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dst06t+nhkq@eGroups.com>

> Hi guys, 
> Back when POA first came out, someone posted that Lupin had all the 
> earmarks of a gay man, he wore tweeds, had a quiet and retiring 
> demeanor and loved jazz. Nicholas (our late list member) to his 
> great credit wrote that those words describe about half the men in 
> Britain! What a laugh! 
> Jen D.
> >
>


This is too funny!  The tweeds, jazz and gentleness aren't what make me 
wonder about SB/RL.  However, Nicholas' comment makes me want to head 
over to Britain--I'd love it if more men (either orientation) I knew 
fit this description.  






From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 14 16:40:17 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:40:17 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <dst15h+7obo@eGroups.com>

I've no idea what meaning the word "ship" has for some people around
here, but as a gay man in the UK I need to make it clear that the
stuff about gay stereotypes and about seeing a gay relationship
between Black and Lupin is offensive. I hope there won't be any more
comments about the subjects.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 14 16:51:18 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:51:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
References: <dssvpm+us2d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000901c63186$e07301d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chintz22" <chintz22 at yahoo.com>


Thanks for the responses.  To weigh in on this topic in more detail, I
think the whole question of SB/RL is open ended.  For me there's
certainly enough evidence in POA the film and OOP the book to make it a
possibility, but I'm not wedded to the idea (pardon the pun).  I
definitely felt an undercurrent of it in POA the film, but I don't know
who was responsible-the director, the scriptwriter, the actors?  Since
OOP has a different director and scriptwriter it will be interesting to
see if there is any subtext in the new film (somehow, I could see
Oldman trying to slip something in...).

kchuplis:
I'm curious. What in the film led you to feel this? I've watched it maybe 5
times now, and it would never have led me to this conclusion. Is it
something in the actors performance? Any dialogue in particular? I just have
never understood where these ideas come from.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 14 16:54:08 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:54:08 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
References: <dst15h+7obo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001301c63187$45c237e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joxy" <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk>

> I've no idea what meaning the word "ship" has for some people around
> here, but as a gay man in the UK I need to make it clear that the
> stuff about gay stereotypes and about seeing a gay relationship
> between Black and Lupin is offensive. I hope there won't be any more
> comments about the subjects.


kchuplis:
The term "ship" is just lingo for "relationship" usually stemming from what
couples fans *want* to see. I think this SB/RL stuff is pretty odd myself as
well. I don't think anyone intends to offend. I think in actuality (from
most posts I have seen here and on the book list regarding this) it is what
some fans *want* to see.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 14 18:48:04 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:48:04 -0000
Subject: OT: Offense Taken vs Offense Given - Gay.
In-Reply-To: <dst15h+7obo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dst8l4+iioj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:
>
> I've no idea what meaning the word "ship" has for some people around
> here, but as a gay man in the UK I need to make it clear that the
> stuff about gay stereotypes and about seeing a gay relationship
> between Black and Lupin is offensive. I hope there won't be any more
> comments about the subjects.
>


bboyminn:

Ships-

As someone else already pointed out, 'ship' is shorthand for
relationSHIPS. General hetro ships are usually just referred to as
'ships'. Where as gay relationship, especially with regard to fan
fiction, is usually referred to as 'slash', as in Sirius/Remus, where
the '/' is pronounced 'slash' - so Sirius slash Remus.

Gay Stereo Types-

Sorry, but I didn't see any comments that would be taken seriously or
offensively. Any 'stereotype' comments were stated in a humorous and
benevolent way. If offense was taken then I'm sure everyone is sorry
for the way you felt, but I'm equally sure the no offense was
intentionally given.

You may also be offended (somewhat implied by your comments) that your
favorite not-gay characters are being portrayed as gay. Again, if you
took offense...sorry (sincerely), but I can't imagine that any offense
was truly given.

"I hope there won't be any more comments about the subjects."

Well, that is just not going to happen. You are certainly well within
your rights to express legitimate feeling about the subject, and you
can be sure that those expressions of feels will be heard and
considered. I'm sure in the future, it will remind everyone to give
due consideration to what they say, and try to express it in a
non-offensive way. But the subject is far too big a part of HP fandom
to every go away. 

SLASH-

As Kchuplis already pointed out, Slash (gay relationships) are
primarily the fantasies of the fans. It reflect whata some fan /want/
to see, rather than what actually is. It is extremely unlikely that
Harry and Ron, or Harry and Draco, or Ron and Draco, or Seamus and
Dean, or Percy and Oliver are gay, but that hasn't stopped
!!MILLIONS!! of Slash stories being written and published (on the
internet) with those pairings and more.

In a way, that is part of the beauty of JKR's writing. Her characters
don't just live on the pages of her books or in the movies, they
spring to life in the minds of readers and live on in lives that far
transcend the books/movies. 

On www.fanfiction.net, the number TWO most often written about genre
is 'Lord of the Rings' with about 40,000 stories. Harry Potter has
232,000 stories written at just that one site. That tells me that
there is a lot of room for imagination in these characters, and a
certain percentage of that imagination is going to go in a gay
direction. In fact, I would speculate that more than half of all HP
fan fiction is of a Slash nature, in other words - gay.

That's just part of life, and it's not going away. If people feel that
they sense a gay undercurrent in the movies then they are certainly
free to discuss that undercurrent here. But as you point out, it
should be done in a tasteful and non-offensive way.

Just trying to lend some perspective.

Steve/bboyminn






From chintz22 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 14 18:55:44 2006
From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:55:44 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <000901c63186$e07301d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dst93g+m22e@eGroups.com>

> kchuplis:
> I'm curious. What in the film led you to feel this? I've watched it 
maybe 5
> times now, and it would never have led me to this conclusion. Is it
> something in the actors performance? Any dialogue in particular? I 
just have
> never understood where these ideas come from.
>


I don't remember much in the POA book that made me wonder about ship 
issues, but in POA the film I thought the few scenes we were given of 
SB and RL were open to interpretation?how Black and Lupin interacted 
in the Shack, how concerned Black was for Lupin during the 
transformation, Lupin's comments as he was packing.  I absolutely 
think someone could interpret those scenes as SB and RL just being 
good friends and the werewolf issue but I think the potential that 
they could be seen as something more is there as well.  The main 
thing that made me think a bit deeper about the ship issue in the 
film was Snape's "old married couple" comment.  Film Snape had used 
a "throwaway" comment to try and tell the viewer something before 
("out for a stroll in the moonlight?").  But then again, I could make 
a valid case for seeing it as a jibe and nothing more too. 

I wonder about the ship issue in the film of OOP because of the 
history with the film of POA but more because of the book OOP.  
Again, I don't think anything is blatantly said but I think there are 
many more incidents in OOP the book that could be interpreted as ship?
the interactions between SB and RL, the fact that the RL moves into 
#12 when nobody else does so, SB and RL giving Harry a joint present, 
RL's grief when SB goes beyond the veil, etc.  I was musing on how 
this will be handled in the film and just wanted to get the input of 
other folks on the matter.  

Again, I don't have any ax to grind on any of this and I don't mean 
to offend anyone.  It's just an interesting issue to me and I'm 
wondering what others may think of it all.  











From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 14 19:37:43 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:37:43 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
References: <dst93g+m22e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c6319e$1fce37c0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


From: "chintz22" <chintz22 at yahoo.com>

I don't remember much in the POA book that made me wonder about ship
issues, but in POA the film I thought the few scenes we were given of
SB and RL were open to interpretation-how Black and Lupin interacted
in the Shack, how concerned Black was for Lupin during the
transformation, Lupin's comments as he was packing.  I absolutely
think someone could interpret those scenes as SB and RL just being
good friends and the werewolf issue but I think the potential that
they could be seen as something more is there as well.

kchupis:
I suppose so, but it seems - well, not far-fetched but the fact is the "big
secret" in PoA is that Remus is a werewolf. That secret is the crux of the
entire plot, and to much of the history of the entire arch. Why there would
be an underriding relationship theme (outside of brotherhood) seems to me to
be trying to make something of nothing. I suppose one could parallel
werewolfism to homosexuality but it would apply to *any* issue that is not
universally regarded as "acceptable" by *general* society measures. I'm not
sure why any movie portraying close male relationships always cause a
certain segment to make this jump. I also find it tends to be a more
"American" point of view than otherwise, but that is just an anecdotal
observation from my experience but it was the same with LOTR. Sam and Frodo
simply had to be more than close friends (when actually in the books even
the class separation never really went away. Sam *always* considered Frodo
"Mr. Frodo"). It almost seems like a homophobic symptom to me. Close
relationships seem to make people uncomfortable, as though it is an
embarassment. Don't people have close friends?

chintz22
The main
thing that made me think a bit deeper about the ship issue in the
film was Snape's "old married couple" comment.  Film Snape had used
a "throwaway" comment to try and tell the viewer something before
("out for a stroll in the moonlight?").  But then again, I could make
a valid case for seeing it as a jibe and nothing more too.

kchuplis:
To me it is more of the same of what I mentioned above. Certainly "a stroll
in the moonlight" was a veiled clue as well as jibe. People often are
described as "behaving like an old married couple" when they snark at each
other. Snape was definitely trying to "out" Remus as a werewolf to the
students without coming right out about it. Same reason he jumped right into
the study of werewolves when he was subbing for Remus.

chintz22
I wonder about the ship issue in the film of OOP because of the
history with the film of POA but more because of the book OOP.
Again, I don't think anything is blatantly said but I think there are
many more incidents in OOP the book that could be interpreted as ship-
the interactions between SB and RL, the fact that the RL moves into
#12 when nobody else does so, SB and RL giving Harry a joint present,
RL's grief when SB goes beyond the veil, etc.  I was musing on how
this will be handled in the film and just wanted to get the input of
other folks on the matter.

kchuplis:
No other members of the order were without a home as Remus is. How is that
indicative of anything else? Very old school chums, what else would he do?
"Sorry, old chum, you'll have to remain underground. I know I have all this
room, all alone, in a place I utterly detest, but it wouldn't be seemly". Of
course Remus moves into #12.  I mean, absolutely none of that can be
presumed differently other than to underscore Remus very poor state unless
the viewer/reader simply wishes it to be that way. Homeless, every time we
see Remus it is emphasized that his clothes are more tattered and patched
than the last time. Where is Remus to get money for a gift? One could almost
say that if there was a different relationship, Sirius could delve into his
fortune and at least buy Remus some new clothes once in a while. In fact, if
that had happened, I'd be much more likely to say "huh, maybe it is
Remus/Sirius".  I'm just saying it really is mystifying to me that this
should indicate anything else. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And just
in case you think I have something against this view, it is just that I am
against "reading into things" that don't have a greater basis for support. I
have plenty of homosexual friends and I think Brokeback Mountain is perhaps
the greatest love story on film. I just can't see reading it into these
particular characters.










From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue Feb 14 19:50:43 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:50:43 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <dstcaj+spno@eGroups.com>

Thanks to those who have explained this weird and wonderful take-over
of the word "ship"!
In pointing out the offence I did not, of course, make any claim, or
suggestion, that there was any intention of giving offence. Quite the
reverse: I could understand people not being aware of the offence they
cause, and my purpose was to state its existence.
My hopes that there would be no more comments on the subject were just
that, hopes, not requests or demands.
I may have been at fault in not actually explaining for what reasons
the comments of this nature give offence, to all gay people. I had
hoped, again, that it would not be necessary to patronise people by
expounding the reasons - and I still desist from doing so, and leave
the "offenders" to work them out for themselves!
I might not have come back at all on this one, but I had to anyway.
What's this about "slash"? Don't you know what a "slash movie" really
is? Now there's true offence!

 







From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Tue Feb 14 20:57:22 2006
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:57:22 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dsrrk5+3agf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dstg7i+ppdl@eGroups.com>

Theresa wrote:

<<<<Well said Lindsay! I would have to agree whole heartedly with you. I 
> have never understood what others say is this romantic undertone 
> between these two characters. I have had many friends who and men 
> that have wonderful relationships with other men. My husband and his 
> best friends are rather close and none of them would even think of 
> being intimate with a man. They just act like brothers but not by 
> blood. That is how I pictured James/Sirius/Remus and yes Peter while 
> they were at school and shortly after. I think that is why Peter's 
> betrayal was both shocking and extremely painful. These four boys 
> were as close as could be - not romantically but true powerful 
> friendship that is beyond measure. It is like two of my male friends 
> (who are such good friends with one another) always say when they 
> greet one another - "Hey my brother of a different mother!" That is 
> my 2 knuts on this subject.>>>>

Well, firstly, thanks! lol...I'm glad you agree. I think it's partly a
social stigma that that kind of a relationship with the platonic
intimacy is more readily accepted between girls. I mean girls hold
hands, hug, kiss etc...and it's just girls being girls. So I think we
see Remus and Sirius being that kind of close and assume it has to be
something more. But yeah I have male friends too who remind them of me
and even my brother and his friends who have that My brother from a
different mother kind of view of their relationship. I don't see a
relationship there though beyond that. It even goes with that whole
idea of "Bros before Hoes" (and no I'm not suggesting that all women
are hoes...Don't want to set anyone off...It's just a saying). A lot
of guys put male/male FRIENDSHIPS ahead of everything else. And I
think that's can kind of sum up Sirius and Remus too. There friendship
is more important than a lot of things. Plus in POA lets not forget
they haven't seen each other in years and Remus is just coming to know
Sirius is innocent. There are a lot of feelings/emotions that are
going to go with that that don't prove romantic feelings between them
or unrequited love.

Theresa wrote:
<<<> Also, I hope Gary is back because I thought he was wonderful as 
> Sirius and have always loved his work so I cannot wait to see him in 
> freak out mode at Grimmauld Place. I can picture him doing a "One Who 
> Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" expression with his eyes. Hope he doesn't 
> get too greedy asking for money so they have to choose someone else. 
> That would be a shame. But on the same token I hope WB doesn't get 
> all cheap on us. I long to hear Gary say the lines "I see you've met 
> my mother" and "and it's getting blacker every day.">>> 

I, too, can just picture him. He plays unstable/crazy so well that I
wold love to see him in this film. At this point I don't think it's
necessarily greed so much as business (but I don't know what he's
asking for either). I recently attended a lecture about kind of the
legal/business aspects of film (I'm studying film at school) and the
speaker reiterated some things I've heard actors and filmmakers talk
about. It seems like actors are being greedy when they ask for more
money on some projects and sometimes they are, but other times they
are just trying to get competitive money so that they can continue to
work in the industry and get the money they deserve. That's why actors
will make the occasional art picture, but then keep going after big
money at other times. If Gary does Harry Potter for a sum under his
usual fee (especially when it's a movie that's sure to turn a profit)
then Warner Brothers might think well he can take the smaller fee on
Batman or the next big budget movie we want him in. So I'll give him
the benefit of the doubt there for now. I will be disappointed if it
doesn't work out though. I do think he is perfect.

Lindsay






From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 15 15:07:20 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:07:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <1139942186.433.39203.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060215150720.6268.qmail@web60911.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone, i'm new to the list, and love it so far.
   
  I did want to comment on the possibly romantic relationship of Sirius and Remus.  In the POA film, i personally didn't get that impression, and thats the film that made me a fan so i practically worship it.  The only thing that may give a slight impression of it was the fact that Snape said "look at you two quarreling like an old married couple..." but it just sounds like a really close friendship to me.  And considering that they only had each other because the other two are either not alive(James)  or worth being alive(Peter), it could strengthen a relationship. 
  I did want to point out also that really close relationships don't have to be romantic love, which we all know.  But a relationship in particular that i LOVE that so proves this point, is Harry and Hermoine.  They are so close, and caring for each other, in the films and books, yet we all look forward to the Ron and Hermoine union, i know i do.  I can't help saying (while watching GOF with Rita Skeeter's comments on them)  "YOU ARE SOO WAY OFF CHICK!"lol



peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Feb 16 00:40:45 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:40:45 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Re: Re: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <20060215150720.6268.qmail@web60911.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD86452E-9E84-11DA-9C20-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>



On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 09:07 AM, can can wrote:

> The only thing that may give a slight impression of it was the fact 
> that Snape said "look at you two quarreling like an old married 
> couple..." but it just sounds like a really close friendship to me.  
> And considering that they only had each other because the other two 
> are either not alive(James)  or worth being alive(Peter), it could 
> strengthen a relationship.
>

kchuplis:

Heh. That crew probably threw a lot of "you run like a girl"'s at each 
other too back in school.  Doesn't mean anything. I think the most 
interesting thing about the whole Maurader/Snape dynamic is how they 
canNOT get over their childhood.




From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Feb 16 01:33:20 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:33:20 -0000
Subject: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <DD86452E-9E84-11DA-9C20-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dt0kp0+7mu6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2006, at 09:07 AM, can can wrote:
> 
> > The only thing that may give a slight impression of it was the 
fact 
> > that Snape said "look at you two quarreling like an old married 
> > couple..." but it just sounds like a really close friendship to 
me.  
> > And considering that they only had each other because the other 
two 
> > are either not alive(James)  or worth being alive(Peter), it 
could 
> > strengthen a relationship.
> >
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> Heh. That crew probably threw a lot of "you run like a girl"'s at 
each 
> other too back in school.  Doesn't mean anything. I think the most 
> interesting thing about the whole Maurader/Snape dynamic is how 
they 
> canNOT get over their childhood.

Jen here,
YES!
They can not get over childhood, the stupid things that happened, 
the grudges, the school yard dividing lines. What a waste! I 
personally am looking forward to seeing Young James, Sirius, Remus 
and Severus in that pensieve scene. I hope they make the very most 
of that bit. It gives so much meaning to all the hell Snape's put 
Harry through and it really sets Harry back on his heels. What a 
horrible moment when you realize in what ever way it happens, that 
your parents are not or never were perfect!
Jen D., glad personally that Dan's not going to be young James as 
well as Harry...
>







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Feb 16 04:50:12 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:50:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <005501c63177$c4b567d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <dsso1l+i7ch@eGroups.com>
 <005501c63177$c4b567d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <080a4fed8af60dcf022a42b348de3281@verizon.net>

>
> I sure hope they bring back David Thewlis! I was so sad to see him 
> packing up at the end of POA. Though he never gets such a prominent 
> role again in JKR's books, I would still love to see him and Moody be 
> a part of the Order. I look forward to the ending scene when Lupin, 
> Moody, Tonks, Mr. Weasley walk Harry up to the Dursleys at the train 
> station. Harry, surrounded and supported by his wonderful "freaky 
> friends", after such a horrible time at the Ministry.
Hope they don't cut that!
Valerie




From smw081175 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 02:53:20 2006
From: smw081175 at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:53:20 -0000
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <dt0pf0+7b9k@eGroups.com>

I'm new here. Just thought i would say HI.  I am a huge HP fan of all 
the books,movies,fan art, and fanfiction.  I am thinking i have been 
to almost every fanfic site there is, but let me know if there are any 
that you all recommed. I may not have been there before.  Thanks! :)









From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 18:44:05 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:44:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Hello
In-Reply-To: <dt0pf0+7b9k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060216184405.68694.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

.hello Sara !
  welcome to our site, here you can join one of the hogwart's houses,and join in the fun 
  you'll meet people from all around the world. we have role playing games,to see
  if you can add points to your house.here for more info please go to 
  HP_destiny at yahoogroups.com Iam in the gryffindors house goodluck to you 
  I have alot of emma and hermione photos,also of dan and ron.
  anyhoo,yack at ya later,,mike .

Sara <smw081175 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I'm new here. Just thought i would say HI.  I am a huge HP fan of all 
the books,movies,fan art, and fanfiction.  I am thinking i have been 
to almost every fanfic site there is, but let me know if there are any 
that you all recommed. I may not have been there before.  Thanks! :)








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From smw081175 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 16 20:10:38 2006
From: smw081175 at yahoo.com (Sara)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:10:38 -0000
Subject: Hello
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Thanks Mike....I will definitely check everything out!  Hope to meet 
some interesting ppl! 






--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mike Daron <mike4521daron at ...> 
wrote:
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> .hello Sara !
>   welcome to our site, here you can join one of the hogwart's 
houses,and join in the fun 
>   you'll meet people from all around the world. we have role 
playing games,to see
>   if you can add points to your house.here for more info please go 
to 
>   HP_destiny at yahoogroups.com Iam in the gryffindors house goodluck 
to you 
>   I have alot of emma and hermione photos,also of dan and ron.
>   anyhoo,yack at ya later,,mike .
> 
> Sara <smw081175 at ...> wrote:
>   I'm new here. Just thought i would say HI.  I am a huge HP fan 
of all 
> the books,movies,fan art, and fanfiction.  I am thinking i have 
been 
> to almost every fanfic site there is, but let me know if there are 
any 
> that you all recommed. I may not have been there before.  
Thanks! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Feb 18 22:38:18 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:38:18 -0000
Subject: Loony (lovely) Luna
Message-ID: <dt87kq+1jj9@eGroups.com>

Hi guys!
Just thought I'd mention that the young lady they've chosen for Luna 
Lovegood looks really wonderful. Evanna Lynch is her name and she's a 
huge HP fan! I think we are in for a lot of fun with her. Can't wait 
to see her in the Roaring Lion Hat! Her scenes with Dan should be just 
fab!
See ya!
Jen D.







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Feb 19 06:09:55 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:09:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] re: DVD
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Anyone else seen the advertisement for the upcoming GOF DVD? I saw it 
on Mugglenet, though I think it's probably from the WB Harry Potter 
website. I can't wait! I love to see the interviews, the 
behind-the-scenes action, the special effects (I'm still blown away 
with how great the 2nd underwater task looked considering that was 
complete blue screen!!!) I'm not much for the games that they put on 
there, but then again, I don't think that's targeted to me! :-)
Valerie 




From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 19 08:11:52 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:11:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: SB/RL ship in OOtP- was: Oldman and Thewlis
In-Reply-To: <dst93g+m22e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060219081153.88235.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I guess I took those examples of an illustration of how close their friendship was without any romantic interpretation. I see examples of that in everyday life and I guess I just don't think about romantic ideas, but just people caring about people. 


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From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 19 08:26:21 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:26:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Not what they seem:
In-Reply-To: <dsnc7m+e2jo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060219082621.12409.qmail@web82203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>>
  Hi,
Actually two things need clearing up. Neville is quite a talent at 
herbology so FakeMoody planted the book about waterplants on him, 
during their little (off screen) tea time. FakeMoody expected Harry 
to turn to everyone for help and he didn't. Finally, the night 
before the task, FakeMoody had to plant Neville in the library with 
Harry in hopes that the two would talk about the task. I like how 
this was accomplished in the book much better with Dobby's 
intervention but you can't have everything. So whilst (love saying 
that, makes me feel so British) Neville is a whiz at herbology, he 
was not what he seemed in this instance, but a plant! (Love that 
little word-play). Also, Viktor's horrible evil look inside the maze 
was the result of FakeMoody's doing as well. He put Viktor under the 
Imperious curse to have him take out Cedric. So Viktor was the 
unwilling victim and not an evil person, but I can't remember if 
Harry picked up on that in the film. I think he did. Does anyone 
else remember?
Jen D.
>>
   
  Thank you for sharing that. I did not catch that at all during the movie. I guess it just went right over my head. Like I said, I thought that Viktor was influenced by the maze and I can't remember the library scene much at all. I wonder if I had to leave my seat for that part?..Hmmm.


Candle 
   
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 08:41:41 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:41:41 -0000
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
Message-ID: <dt9b05+ls74@eGroups.com>

I'm sure by now you are all familiar with the 'unpleasant' comments
made by the actor who plays Dumbledore regarding his attitude toward
his role. Comments about not bothering to read the books, about not
really playing the character - just playing himself, etc.... It has
been discussed extensively in this forum, so I won't quote it, but
here is a very different view of how to play a character.

The following is from Ralph Fiennes regarding his role as Voldmeort.

Summary at-

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8256

"So much of movie acting is ... in loving your characters. I try to
know them, and with that intimacy comes love. And now, I love Voldemort.'"

At least, Mr. Finnes made an effort to understand the character he
plays even if he didn't read the books (I don't know if he did or didn't).

While Ralph Fiennes outward portrayal of Voldemort was truly menacing,
what got me was the underlying sense of misery and insanity that drove
Voldemort. By his outward actions, Fiennes brought a subtle inner
depth to the character that Micheal Gambon just doesn't seem to have.

Don't want to start another round of complaining about Gambon, just
wanted to re-enforce how well I liked Fiennes Voldemort, and am glad
to hear that Fiennes is committed to stay in the part to the end of
the series.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn







From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Feb 19 14:02:46 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:02:46 -0000
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <dt9b05+ls74@eGroups.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure by now you are all familiar with the 'unpleasant' comments
> made by the actor who plays Dumbledore regarding his attitude 
toward
> his role. Comments about not bothering to read the books, about not
> really playing the character - just playing himself, etc.... It has
> been discussed extensively in this forum, so I won't quote it, but
> here is a very different view of how to play a character.
> 
> The following is from Ralph Fiennes regarding his role as 
Voldmeort.
> 
> Summary at-
> 
> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8256
> 
> "So much of movie acting is ... in loving your characters. I try to
> know them, and with that intimacy comes love. And now, I love 
Voldemort.'"
> 
> At least, Mr. Finnes made an effort to understand the character he
> plays even if he didn't read the books (I don't know if he did or 
didn't).
> 
> While Ralph Fiennes outward portrayal of Voldemort was truly 
menacing,
> what got me was the underlying sense of misery and insanity that 
drove
> Voldemort. By his outward actions, Fiennes brought a subtle inner
> depth to the character that Micheal Gambon just doesn't seem to 
have.
> 
> Don't want to start another round of complaining about Gambon, just
> wanted to re-enforce how well I liked Fiennes Voldemort, and am 
glad
> to hear that Fiennes is committed to stay in the part to the end of
> the series.
> 
> Just passing it along.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Hi Steve,
Very interesting that you should bring this dichotomy to the fore 
again. I have two not very astute comments but here goes. First, 
Gambon reminds me of another famous "Wise Old Man" who didn't care 
much for his role either, Alec Guinness who played Obiwan in Star 
Wars thought his role was tripe. Seems you need to be a wise old man 
to be happy about playing a wise old man! 2nd point, I think it 
shows in the performance when a person isn't "in love" with his 
character. Gambon plays an odd quirky and unreliable DD. Not my DD. 
I put up with it because what choice do I have? It could be that the 
next picture where DD is largely seen from afar, we will get a rest 
from Mr. Gambon's not-to-happy-to-be-here performance.  And perhaps 
a very strong director can corral him in and give him guidance as to 
faking a wise old man when he really needs it in Film 6! Thanks 
Steve, always find your comments thought-provoking and thoughtfully 
worded.
Jen D.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb 19 16:18:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:18:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <dt9b05+ls74@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <4BDB78E8-A163-11DA-B0CA-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I cannot seem to get the clip to load. I've seen very little on actors 
views of their characters and was unaware of the Gambon issue (though I 
can believe it. He is definitely my least favorite portrayal. Harris 
seemed to fit it so well. I suppose he has that challenge to work 
against too).  But in regards to Fiennes, the only thing I've read was 
from this interview:
------
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/fiennes.php:
       As for the pressure and hype of being the major antagonist in the 
latest Potter yarn, Fiennes' philosophy is to "kind of" ignore the hype 
and get on with the business of acting. "I don't really feel the hype 
for this particular Harry Potter film. I mean, I'm told about it, but I 
don't have a fan's investment in the books myself.  I like them, I 
admire the world of the books, and the characters that she's created, 
but I'm not, as it were, an addict of Harry Potter so I guess I don't 
feel that sort of thing where you feel slightly possessive about 
something." Fiennes read the novel Goblet of Fire when cast in the film 
version, but laughingly concedes "I was only interested in my scene, 
and I had to go through thousands and thousands of other scenes which I 
did, dutifully, until I got to my scene and I read it many, many, many, 
many, many times and that was my research."

    He recalls being on the Potter set, as so much larger than life. "I 
think a bit of me on the Harry Potter set is like a kid sort of 
entering into the fantasy set that when you're young you watch those 
movies, and it all becomes so remarkable.  The Harry Potter sets are 
brilliant and when you walk on to them they just are amazing, so for a 
second you do get transported." Fiennes says he has the greatest 
respect for the film's director, Mike Newell, the first British 
director on the franchise. "That was one of the blessings of a part 
like this, where you're meant to be playing the distillation of evil, 
which can be anything, so I got lots of takes. I think the one thing we 
were aiming for was a sort of question, a certain amount of 
unpredictability in him so no one quite knows what he's going to do 
next or say next which I hope makes him slightly sort of dangerous."
-----

I found it very interesting in that for Voldemort, only being 
interested in his scene just suits the character. The only love LV 
knows is self love. When I read this, I thought, "Hmmm, this really 
quite plays into the LV character and maybe that is part of why he got 
it so RIGHT".  His whole aspect of loving having a body again and his 
pleasure in touching Harry and causing him pain, well, it was really 
about the most evil portrayal of evil I've seen! I think he really 
outdid any evil movie characters that I can think of having seen.





From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 17:01:34 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:01:34 -0000
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <dt9tq6+ak4q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dta89e+7unk@eGroups.com>

I sometimes wonder how Richard Harris would have played Dumbledore 
in POA and GOF had he survived and continued to do the Harry Potter 
series. Most of us think he would do a better job then Michael 
Gambon but it really is sort of an unknown. Nobody really knows for 
sure if he would have continued in the role and continue his stellar 
performance as Dumbledore.

 --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure by now you are all familiar with the 'unpleasant' 
comments
> > made by the actor who plays Dumbledore regarding his attitude 
> toward
> > his role. Comments about not bothering to read the books, about 
not
> > really playing the character - just playing himself, etc.... It 
has
> > been discussed extensively in this forum, so I won't quote it, 
but
> > here is a very different view of how to play a character.
> > 
> > The following is from Ralph Fiennes regarding his role as 
> Voldmeort.
> > 
> > Summary at-
> > 
> > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8256
> > 
> > "So much of movie acting is ... in loving your characters. I try 
to
> > know them, and with that intimacy comes love. And now, I love 
> Voldemort.'"
> > 
> > At least, Mr. Finnes made an effort to understand the character 
he
> > plays even if he didn't read the books (I don't know if he did 
or 
> didn't).
> > 
> > While Ralph Fiennes outward portrayal of Voldemort was truly 
> menacing,
> > what got me was the underlying sense of misery and insanity that 
> drove
> > Voldemort. By his outward actions, Fiennes brought a subtle inner
> > depth to the character that Micheal Gambon just doesn't seem to 
> have.
> > 
> > Don't want to start another round of complaining about Gambon, 
just
> > wanted to re-enforce how well I liked Fiennes Voldemort, and am 
> glad
> > to hear that Fiennes is committed to stay in the part to the end 
of
> > the series.
> > 
> > Just passing it along.
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn
> 
> Hi Steve,
> Very interesting that you should bring this dichotomy to the fore 
> again. I have two not very astute comments but here goes. First, 
> Gambon reminds me of another famous "Wise Old Man" who didn't care 
> much for his role either, Alec Guinness who played Obiwan in Star 
> Wars thought his role was tripe. Seems you need to be a wise old 
man 
> to be happy about playing a wise old man! 2nd point, I think it 
> shows in the performance when a person isn't "in love" with his 
> character. Gambon plays an odd quirky and unreliable DD. Not my 
DD. 
> I put up with it because what choice do I have? It could be that 
the 
> next picture where DD is largely seen from afar, we will get a 
rest 
> from Mr. Gambon's not-to-happy-to-be-here performance.  And 
perhaps 
> a very strong director can corral him in and give him guidance as 
to 
> faking a wise old man when he really needs it in Film 6! Thanks 
> Steve, always find your comments thought-provoking and 
thoughtfully 
> worded.
> Jen D.
>







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Feb 19 17:05:21 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:05:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <dta89e+7unk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E8E6E04D-A169-11DA-B0CA-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 11:01 AM, phoenix_kevin wrote:

> I sometimes wonder how Richard Harris would have played Dumbledore
> in POA and GOF had he survived and continued to do the Harry Potter
> series. Most of us think he would do a better job then Michael
> Gambon but it really is sort of an unknown. Nobody really knows for
> sure if he would have continued in the role and continue his stellar
> performance as Dumbledore.

kchuplis:

I think it's fairly safe to assume it would have been much more what 
everyone expected. If you go on his ability throughout his career, it 
would have been subtle, but piercing. That was one of the things he did 
best no matter what character he played.




From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 17:24:49 2006
From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:24:49 -0000
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <E8E6E04D-A169-11DA-B0CA-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dta9l1+jfdp@eGroups.com>

Yes Richard Harris did indeed have that wonderfull ability. As I 
said I just wonder occasionally about that. Hopefully Gambon will up 
his performance in the next movie.

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 11:01 AM, phoenix_kevin wrote:
> 
> > I sometimes wonder how Richard Harris would have played 
Dumbledore
> > in POA and GOF had he survived and continued to do the Harry 
Potter
> > series. Most of us think he would do a better job then Michael
> > Gambon but it really is sort of an unknown. Nobody really knows 
for
> > sure if he would have continued in the role and continue his 
stellar
> > performance as Dumbledore.
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> I think it's fairly safe to assume it would have been much more 
what 
> everyone expected. If you go on his ability throughout his career, 
it 
> would have been subtle, but piercing. That was one of the things 
he did 
> best no matter what character he played.
>








From CMeehan1 at aol.com  Sun Feb 19 18:01:19 2006
From: CMeehan1 at aol.com (CMeehan1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:01:19 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Loony (lovely) Luna
Message-ID: <206.12c1e2e3.312a0c6f@aol.com>

Yes!  I am so excited about the girl playing Luna!  What I am  most excited 
about is that she is a true fan!  This is such a dream come  true story - I am 
so happy for her!  Plus, as a fan, she should get the  character right! :)
 
Caroline


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From joj at rochester.rr.com  Sun Feb 19 18:11:28 2006
From: joj at rochester.rr.com (joj)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:11:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Loony (lovely) Luna
References: <206.12c1e2e3.312a0c6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006901c6357f$e7e597a0$a232cc45@bumbargey3ogmz>






> Yes!  I am so excited about the girl playing Luna!  What I am  most
excited
> about is that she is a true fan!  This is such a dream come  true story -
I am
> so happy for her!  Plus, as a fan, she should get the  character right! :)
>
> Caroline

I think it might be a good thing for us.  She may be quite accessible, like
Chris Rankin.  She might do web chats or postings on her web site.  She's a
fan, and she knows what we want to know.  Not that she'll be free to say
whatever she want's to, but Im thinking it might make a difference.



*)
..*) .*)
(. (. ~*Joj*~




From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Feb 19 21:00:06 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:00:06 -0000
Subject: Loony (lovely) Luna
In-Reply-To: <006901c6357f$e7e597a0$a232cc45@bumbargey3ogmz>
Message-ID: <dtam8m+49va@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joj" <joj at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Yes!  I am so excited about the girl playing Luna!  What I am  
most
> excited
> > about is that she is a true fan!  This is such a dream come  
true story -
> I am
> > so happy for her!  Plus, as a fan, she should get the  character 
right! :)
> >
> > Caroline
> 
> I think it might be a good thing for us.  She may be quite 
accessible, like
> Chris Rankin.  She might do web chats or postings on her web 
site.  She's a
> fan, and she knows what we want to know.  Not that she'll be free 
to say
> whatever she want's to, but Im thinking it might make a difference.
> 
> 
> 
> *??)
> ?.???.?*??) ?.?*?)
> (?.?? (?.?? ~*Joj*~
> 
Hi, 
Germane to our Gambon discussion, it can only enhance a film to have 
actors that are excited about the production and in love with their 
characters. Will Fiennes have "greater" roles in his life? Probably 
so, but to his credit, he embraced LV, saw HP for what it is and 
gave it his all! Bravo I say! How very jaded to take a role, a role 
you are being paid handsomely for (some say to have work as an actor 
is thrilling in and of itself given the odds against it)and then 
approach it from a blase point of view. Dumbledore is an exciting 
figure, something of a moral compass, if flawed as we see later, but 
still a figure of great humanity and great intelligence. I don't 
know if we have seen the best DD. Richard Harris in SS/PS was 
wonderful, just the right note but COS was very frightening to me. I 
kept waiting for him to expire because he looked so very frail. 
Let's hope we see at least one more DD that captures the essence of 
the character JKR created! 
Jen D.








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Feb 20 15:45:24 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:45:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <4BDB78E8-A163-11DA-B0CA-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
References: <4BDB78E8-A163-11DA-B0CA-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <195ad2041a3a5181aea5d2c5b3bfff48@verizon.net>

> <snip> "That was one of the blessings of a part
>  like this, where you're meant to be playing the distillation of 
> evil,which can be anything, so I got lots of takes. I think the one 
> thing we were aiming for was a sort of question, a certain amount of 
> unpredictability in him so no one quite knows what he's going to do 
> next or say next which I hope makes him slightly sort of dangerous."
>  -----
>  I found it very interesting in that for Voldemort, only being
>  interested in his scene just suits the character. The only love LV
>  knows is self love. When I read this, I thought, "Hmmm, this really
>  quite plays into the LV character and maybe that is part of why he got
>  it so RIGHT".? His whole aspect of loving having a body again and his
>  pleasure in touching Harry and causing him pain, well, it was really
>  about the most evil portrayal of evil I've seen! I think he really
>  outdid any evil movie characters that I can think of having seen.

Don't you love the Fiennes phrase "distillation of evil"!?!
WIthout reaching for my GOF book (lazy!), that scene where Fiennes 
touches Dan's scar wasn't in the book, right? I think that was the 
director throwing that in. In which case it was so brilliantly played. 
That scene made me squirm more than any! Poor Harry! I wanted to reach 
in there and rescue him!
The look of absolute delight on Fienne's face as he tortured Harry with 
his mere touch, was diabolical!
I'm still unsure if I envisioned Voldemort like Fiennes portrays  him. 
In some ways he was too verbal, too active. I imagined him, perhaps, 
more dark, quietly menacing. I still wish they had left the snake eyes 
on him, and made them red. That was so unnatural and scary-looking! 
But, like Thewlis and Oldman's portrayals of Lupin and Sirius (I 
envisioned them looking quite different), those brilliant actors 
created their own impersonation of the book character. Like Rickman, 
who IS Snape, they have become their characters. Fiennes IS now 
Voldemort. Can't wait for the final MOM scene with Sirius falling 
behind the veil, Voldemort inhabiting Harry's body when Dumbledore is 
about to kill him. High drama!!!!!!
Valerie


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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Mon Feb 20 21:43:29 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:43:29 EST
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
Message-ID: <27c.5f294b9.312b9201@aol.com>

 Valerie:
 Don't you love the Fiennes phrase "distillation of evil"!?!
 WIthout reaching for my GOF book (lazy!), that scene where Fiennes 
 touches Dan's scar wasn't in the book, right? I think that was the 
 director throwing that in. In which case it was so brilliantly played. 
 That scene made me squirm more than any! Poor Harry! I wanted to reach 
 in there and rescue him! >>


Jade:
Actually that is from the book (pg. 653), but I so agree with you! It was a 
very intense scene. His portrayal of LV has wet my appetite and I cannot wait 
for the next film. I'm hoping Gambon will concentrate more effort in the next 
film. Especially the ending of the OOTP. This is such an emotional book that I 
just hope the writers will do it justice.



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Feb 20 22:16:48 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:16:48 -0600
Subject: Dumbledore
References: <27c.5f294b9.312b9201@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c6366b$57e45460$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

My choice for a Richard Harris replacement, (could they have wangled it,
which maybe that was not possible) would have been Patrick Stewart, Ben
Kingsely, someone like that whom we have seen do both the gentle soul and
towering power. I have never heard who else was considered (or not) for the
role. I suppose this was a hot topic years ago. Just wondering who others
picture.





From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Feb 20 23:03:23 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:03:23 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <001801c6366b$57e45460$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dtdhrr+m16n@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> My choice for a Richard Harris replacement, (could they have wangled 
it,
> which maybe that was not possible) would have been Patrick Stewart, 
Ben
> Kingsely, someone like that whom we have seen do both the gentle 
soul and
> towering power. I have never heard who else was considered (or not) 
for the
> role. I suppose this was a hot topic years ago. Just wondering who 
others
> picture.

Karen,
I don't suppose you were on the list when some poor woebegone soul 
proposed a petition to "get rid of Gambon?" I see this as the tension 
betwee movie-making and rabid and unimpeachable HP fans. Gambon fits 
some set of criterion that meet the needs of the film people. He's 
definitely a "Big" name British actor! And he's a fine character 
actor, more importantly. Is he a good DD? Well maybe all he cares 
about is the script and perhaps the script is more maleable (no 
definitions on this one!!) than the canon. So he's probably going to 
be DD as long as he's able and seriously, we have to hope for a 
director who really cares about the transfer from book to film (one 
thing that Chris Columbus had going for him). I think Mike Newell was 
so intent on demonstrating a more realistic English boarding school 
environment that he didn't pay as much attention to the book as it 
related who DD was. I just listen to what people have said in various 
interviews, and from what's been left out, I can only figure those 
were the weaker points. No one says much about Cambon's performance 
except us fans of both book and film. And we aren't always thrilled. 
Some folks who no longer write here could defend Gambon nicely but I 
would invite anyone who likes Gambon in a heartfelt way to speak up! 
It would be a nice balance.
Jen D.(hopeful that more people will chime in!)
>







From CMeehan1 at aol.com  Tue Feb 21 02:03:41 2006
From: CMeehan1 at aol.com (CMeehan1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:03:41 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore
Message-ID: <1dd.4f5ef822.312bcefd@aol.com>

for Dumbledore... Sean Connery all the way!  He has that twinkle in  his eye, 
the wisdom, and can kick butt when he needs to! :)
 
Caroline


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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 02:20:10 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:20:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore
References: <1dd.4f5ef822.312bcefd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <06d101c6368d$57f6ab70$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

Whoa - that's an eye opener. I don't think I've ever tried to visualize Sir Sean with a long flowing white beard before! But I'd watch him in just about anything.

I always wanted Ian McKellan, but knew it was a no-go - I imagine he's had enough wizarding for one lifetime.

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CMeehan1 at aol.com 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore


  for Dumbledore... Sean Connery all the way!  He has that twinkle in  his eye, 
  the wisdom, and can kick butt when he needs to! :)

  Caroline


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 21 02:36:44 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:36:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <1dd.4f5ef822.312bcefd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E60DBBEB-A282-11DA-AA2F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 08:03 PM, CMeehan1 at aol.com wrote:

> for Dumbledore... Sean Connery all the way!  He has that twinkle in  
> his eye,
> the wisdom, and can kick butt when he needs to! :)
>

kchuplis:

I hadn't thought of him previously, but especially at his age now, I 
can indeed see it.




From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 05:11:57 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:11:57 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <001801c6366b$57e45460$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dte7et+k4if@eGroups.com>

I'm afraid if Gambon persists in his miserable portrayal of AD, I'm 
not going to be too sad when Snape AKs him in H-BP!!  :-^)

Hmm, I wonder what will happen to that ending in the movie, it's a 
very down ending for a movie.  And what a cliff hanger!

Lizzie 







From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Feb 21 06:02:53 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:02:53 -0000
Subject: Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <E60DBBEB-A282-11DA-AA2F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dteaed+2fvp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 08:03 PM, CMeehan1 at ... wrote:
> 
> > for Dumbledore... Sean Connery all the way!  He has that twinkle 
in  
> > his eye,
> > the wisdom, and can kick butt when he needs to! :)
> >
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> I hadn't thought of him previously, but especially at his age now, I 
> can indeed see it.
>

I cannot really see Sean Connery in that role. Besides the fact I have 
heard he is an extremely picky actor and often hard to work with. I 
just think of him in the more action hero type stuff - even at his age.

I do find it interesting that both actors chosen to play DD were from 
Ireland. Maybe that means something maybe not. I did actually like 
Gambon in the scene when H/Hr return from saving Buckbeak and Sirius. 
I thought that was so Dumbledore. I think for me though Richard Harris 
was so perfect that I have had some adjusting to do. My husband, 
muggle that he is, actually thinks Gambon is better. He said other 
than the "SILENCE!" yell in PS/SS that Harris seemed to kind and 
gentle - a push over that he just couldn't picture that to be "the 
greatest wizard of all time. Defeater of Gindewald etc." Anyway, I 
think we are just going to have to accept Gambon - I am actually 
getting used to him. He isn't the only Potter star who has only read 
the scripts - others have admitted it (none of the kids of course have 
said it but I remember other adults saying they hadn't). I just think 
him being DD he should check out the books to study the real DD. Maybe 
he will surprise us in OoTP.

Theresa






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Feb 21 06:12:51 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:12:51 -0000
Subject: Loony (lovely) Luna
In-Reply-To: <dt87kq+1jj9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dteb13+i8jg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys!
> Just thought I'd mention that the young lady they've chosen for Luna 
> Lovegood looks really wonderful. Evanna Lynch is her name and she's 
a 
> huge HP fan! I think we are in for a lot of fun with her. Can't wait 
> to see her in the Roaring Lion Hat! Her scenes with Dan should be 
just 
> fab!
> See ya!
> Jen D.
>
I too am glad she is such a fan. I really hope they leave the 
discussion with Harry in the end. That was so touching in the book. I 
really like Luna so I am excited to see how well Evanna does. I think 
it is interesting that she once wrote to JKR about Luna and said she 
would love to play her but who would pick someone from a town called 
Termonfeckin. To which JKR wrote back that she rather like the town 
name. I thought that was cute.

Theresa






From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Tue Feb 21 06:25:54 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:25:54 -0000
Subject: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <195ad2041a3a5181aea5d2c5b3bfff48@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <dtebpi+odf5@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > <snip>  Don't you love the Fiennes phrase "distillation of evil"!?!
> WIthout reaching for my GOF book (lazy!), that scene where Fiennes 
> touches Dan's scar wasn't in the book, right? I think that was the 
> director throwing that in. In which case it was so brilliantly 
played. 
> That scene made me squirm more than any! Poor Harry! I wanted to 
reach 
> in there and rescue him!
> The look of absolute delight on Fienne's face as he tortured Harry 
with 
> his mere touch, was diabolical!

Ralph plays evil well. I still shiver when I think of Shindler's List. 
You just want to shoot his character, he is just so evil. So I had 
high hopes for him as Voldemort and he didn't disappoint me at all. He 
was brilliant.

As for the touching of the scar, looked in my book and no he didn't 
touch the scar. It says that one of his fingers was close to Harry's 
cheek and he lectures a bit about Lily's sacrifice and then says he 
can touch Harry now and does. It doesn't say where but I presume 
Harry's cheek as the fingers were next to the cheek. I was disapointed 
that no death eaters were tortured in the film. I thought that showed 
how truly cruel Voldemort is. He even hurts his own followers. 
However, this was one of my favorite scenes in the film because I felt 
it was so well done. After the little girl next to me said to her 
mom "that man is going to give me nightmares momma." I thought how 
right she was and I am 43 thinking he was going to give me nightmares. 
He was perfect. 

Can't wait to see Imelda as Umbridge. She is another brilliant actor. 
If you ever saw Chicken Run you can just imagine her voice all syrupy 
sweet and annoying. Plus I can imagine her dressed up to look like an 
onery women trying to look sweet. Can't wait.

Theresa






From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 15:37:28 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
In-Reply-To: <dtebpi+odf5@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060221153728.2602.qmail@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Theresa <anmsmom333 at cox.net> wrote:    [Significant trim]
 I was disapointed that no death eaters were tortured in the film. I thought that showed how truly cruel Voldemort is. He even hurts his own followers. However, this was one of my favorite scenes in the film because I felt it was so well done. 
 
akh:
While he didn't make any of them writhe in pain, his "unmasking" gesture appears to have been painful, since it forced all the death eaters to their knees.  I presumed it was painful, anyway.  That would save the "writhing on the ground" scene for Harry.

Theresa continued:

Can't wait to see Imelda as Umbridge. She is another brilliant actor. 
 If you ever saw Chicken Run you can just imagine her voice all syrupy sweet and annoying. Plus I can imagine her dressed up to look like an 
 onery women trying to look sweet. Can't wait.
 
akh pipes up:

I agree.  I have seen her as Umbridge since reading book five, so I was both thrilled and smug (knew it all along!)  Another delightfully annoying performance was in "Sense and Sensibility," which includes half the cast of "Harry Potter" already.  It'll be old home week!  

akh, who's convinced she made a Freudian slip with "writhing" when she kept spelling it "writing".  

		
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From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com  Tue Feb 21 16:08:50 2006
From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:08:50 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dumbledore
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In a message dated 2/20/06 5:13:31 PM, kchuplis at alltel.net writes:


> My choice for a Richard Harris replacement, (could they have wangled it,
> which maybe that was not possible) would have been Patrick Stewart, Ben
> Kingsely, someone like that whom we have seen do both the gentle soul and
> towering power. I have never heard who else was considered (or not) for the
> role. I suppose this was a hot topic years ago. Just wondering who others
> picture.
> 

Those would have been fine choices..particularly Patrick Stewart..what a 
presence. I could imagine a actor that I am very fond of. His name is Patrick 
McGoohan. He was the main character in Danger Man /Secret Agent and The Prisoner. 
I feel he would have the ability and the presence to pull Dumbledore off 
beautifully. He has the stage/film presence and a wonderful eccentricity to him.

Amy


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From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com  Tue Feb 21 16:03:41 2006
From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:03:41 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
Message-ID: <ff.259d237d.312c93dd@aol.com>


In a message dated 2/19/06 12:25:48 PM, phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com writes:


> Yes Richard Harris did indeed have that wonderfull ability. As I
> said I just wonder occasionally about that. Hopefully Gambon will up
> his performance in the next movie.
> 
> 

Oddly enough I guess I am the odd girl out....I like Gambon's protrayal as 
Dumbledore. No disrespect to Richard Harris may he rest in peace, but I actually 
like Michael Gambon a little more.
Only my humble opinion though :-)

Amy


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 21 16:52:07 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:52:07 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
References: <ff.259d237d.312c93dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <012a01c63707$26496200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GryffindorAuburn at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors


>
> In a message dated 2/19/06 12:25:48 PM, phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> > Yes Richard Harris did indeed have that wonderfull ability. As I
> > said I just wonder occasionally about that. Hopefully Gambon will up
> > his performance in the next movie.
> >
> >
>
> Oddly enough I guess I am the odd girl out....I like Gambon's protrayal as
> Dumbledore. No disrespect to Richard Harris may he rest in peace, but I
actually
> like Michael Gambon a little more.
> Only my humble opinion though :-)
>
> Amy
>

kchuplis:
I don't think Gambon is bad, exactly, I just don't feel that sense of
"heightened truth", of believability, that I got with Richard Harris, or
that I get from many stage actors who are required to play characters
outside our normal frame of reference. Almost a "hyper-real character",
meaning ones surpassing reality. You see it often in the Star Treks series
TNG and DS9. Let's face it, many of those characters would just come off as
cartoons, but for the acting style of the people in the roles. Harris Yulin
in Duet deserved an Emmy;  Christopher Plummer in the 6th movie conveyed a
real person to me, a layered person and many of the guest actors in the
series who were really stellar Shakespeareans and stage actors; they could
bring you to tears with characters that you'd look at objectively and say,
how is THIS turning my emotions on so much? Look at the LOTR movies. Who, in
reality, should become emotionally attached to these characters sIt's
because the actor/ress really care and believe. They *have* to really
believe and sink their teeth into the character, no matter what it is, so
that it comes across believably. It's why stage actors do so much better
(generally) than straight film actors in this type of genre. Gambon is OK,
but I don't think he is the best choice or has the best portrayal. Now, on
the other hand, DD's character is yet to be the fully rounded one on screen.
He certainly has a chance coming up in OoTP to fill out DD.

Just on a side note I ran across an interesting bit on a bio of Michael
Gambon (all things equal, one must take internet info with a grain of salt
but there is generally a grain of truth to things.):

While on the subject of deceit, Gambon is notorious for his lying.
Throughout his career he has told magnificent porkies both to journalists
and his peers about his past life and achievements. It's not to look big,
just not to be bored. Often he would claim to have started out as a dancer
at the Royal Ballet, only to have his career ruined when he fell from the
stage and crashed through the orchestra's timpani kit. For years he carried
round a photo of Robert De Niro that read "To Mike, Best wishes and love
forever, Bob". He'd regale any entrant to his dressing-room with tales of
the work he'd done with De Niro and the affection they had for one another -
until some bright spark noted that Gambon had actually never worked with De
Niro and clearly written the note himself. Most outrageously, he once
claimed that he used to be gay, but stopped because it made his eyes water.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Feb 21 16:54:51 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:54:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Voldemort vs Dumbledore - the Actors
References: <ff.259d237d.312c93dd@aol.com> <012a01c63707$26496200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <013401c63707$888823c0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

BTW, that is not to say Gambon doesn't have a distinguished stage career,
but I still feel there are others that are just "juicier".





From agdisney at msn.com  Wed Feb 22 01:19:12 2006
From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:19:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dumbledore
References: <dte7et+k4if@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV12C1CBB444435C6C799F5CFFD0@phx.gbl>


  Lizzie

  I'm afraid if Gambon persists in his miserable portrayal of AD, I'm 
  not going to be too sad when Snape AKs him in H-BP!!  :-^)

  Hmm, I wonder what will happen to that ending in the movie, it's a 
  very down ending for a movie.  And what a cliff hanger!

  Lizzie 

  Andie:

  It's a cliffhanger but by then we will know the outcome so I
  don't know how much power it will have.
  Personally, I have no problem AKing Gambon now.  I think
  he does a miserable job portraying DD.





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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed Feb 22 19:44:40 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:44:40 -0000
Subject: Harris as Dumbledore
Message-ID: <dtiev8+7p1e@eGroups.com>

Hey all - I was chatting with a co-worker while heating my lunch 
today in our break-room. He is a fellow HP fan but only reads TLC and 
doesn't participate in forums. Anyway, I mentioned that most of 
fandom seems to prefer Harris' portrayal of DD and he said he prefers 
Gambon. I told him I like both in different ways but Gambon hasn't 
read the books. To which he said "Neither did Richard Harris." Is 
that true? I thought he read them with his granddaughter, the one who 
said she would not speak to him if he turned down the role. Does 
anyone know if that is true? I wonder because when he does the scene 
where Quirrell comes to announce the troll and the scene where he 
gets the earwax jellybean seem so much like I pictured in the book. I 
liked how he seemed kind and gentle, slightly odd but there was 
something below the surface that told you not to mess with him. As 
for Gambon, I liked him in PoA when he was at Hagrid's hut and after 
H/Hr returned to the hospital wing. Frankly the only time I didn't 
like him was in the room after Harry's name was chosen in GoF. that 
was just something I don't see DD ever doing. Otherwise, I have 
personally like both men in their own way but I made myself think of 
Gambon in reference to my version of DD not Harris' portrayal. I 
decided to do that when Daniel Radcliffe said "he isn't playing 
Richard Harris playing DD. He is playing DD. He is made it his own." 
It helped a little but I will say that Harris seemed more 
grandfatherly and that is how I pictured DD.

Still I don't get why any actor would not want to read the original 
material to get a true feel for their character. It is like research. 
Many actors meet the person they are playing or if not possible they 
read about them. I would think they would do that. Ralph Fiennes had 
never gotten into the HP world until he was offered the part so he 
took the time to find out who Voldemort was and how people felt about 
him. I think it truly showed. Anyway, I just wondered if it was true 
that Harris didn't read the books either.

Theresa






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb 22 20:12:41 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:12:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harris as Dumbledore
References: <dtiev8+7p1e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c637ec$560426c0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at cox.net>

> Hey all - I was chatting with a co-worker while heating my lunch
> today in our break-room. He is a fellow HP fan but only reads TLC and
> doesn't participate in forums. Anyway, I mentioned that most of
> fandom seems to prefer Harris' portrayal of DD and he said he prefers
> Gambon. I told him I like both in different ways but Gambon hasn't
> read the books. To which he said "Neither did Richard Harris." Is
> that true? I thought he read them with his granddaughter, the one who
> said she would not speak to him if he turned down the role. Does
> anyone know if that is true? I wonder because when he does the scene
> where Quirrell comes to announce the troll and the scene where he
> gets the earwax jellybean seem so much like I pictured in the book. I
> liked how he seemed kind and gentle, slightly odd but there was
> something below the surface that told you not to mess with him. As
> for Gambon, I liked him in PoA when he was at Hagrid's hut and after
> H/Hr returned to the hospital wing. Frankly the only time I didn't
> like him was in the room after Harry's name was chosen in GoF. that
> was just something I don't see DD ever doing. Otherwise, I have
> personally like both men in their own way but I made myself think of
> Gambon in reference to my version of DD not Harris' portrayal. I
> decided to do that when Daniel Radcliffe said "he isn't playing
> Richard Harris playing DD. He is playing DD. He is made it his own."
> It helped a little but I will say that Harris seemed more
> grandfatherly and that is how I pictured DD.
>
> Still I don't get why any actor would not want to read the original
> material to get a true feel for their character. It is like research.
> Many actors meet the person they are playing or if not possible they
> read about them. I would think they would do that. Ralph Fiennes had
> never gotten into the HP world until he was offered the part so he
> took the time to find out who Voldemort was and how people felt about
> him. I think it truly showed. Anyway, I just wondered if it was true
> that Harris didn't read the books either.
>
kchuplis:

According to this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/1651390.stm

Your friend is correct. I still think Harris, just as an actor captured him
better at least to that point. Of course, we see a lot of development in DD
and especially having books 5 and 6, retrospectively it is harder not to
judge as well. We just know more about DD in different situations now. But I
agree, DD would never have gone after Harry in that way, although, things
like that are difficult to judge whether it is actor or director who thought
of it. Curon definitely gave PoA a really windswept passionate and romatic
feel, rather Bronte"esque". Jury remains partially out for me until I see
the end of OoTP.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Feb 22 22:45:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:45:05 -0000
Subject: Radcliffe buys Black Family Tree
Message-ID: <dtiphh+r2a8@eGroups.com>

Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree up for charity auction 
along with the Stoppard piece (I think I read that right). Go Dan!






From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 19:03:28 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:03:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Hello
In-Reply-To: <dt2m7u+o4jk@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060223190328.37948.qmail@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

 hey sara ! how are you today?? I'm doing ok. I'm been watchin the Olympic games
  from torino. other then that doin well...seeya...mike...

Sara <smw081175 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Thanks Mike....I will definitely check everything out!  Hope to meet 
some interesting ppl! 






--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Mike Daron <mike4521daron at ...> 
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of all 
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Thanks! :)
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