From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sun Jan 1 00:02:42 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:02:42 -0000 Subject: IMAX included? (Was Re: Could GOF be #1 next weekend?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm positive IMAX counts in the total as it's a theater venue and box office receipts are what's tallied. My husband is going tonight with my son and two of his friends to see it in IMAX. They'll be getting out of the movie around 10:15...in downtown Seattle...on New Year's Eve. They should have an interesting evening. ;) I'm going to see it again in IMAX with my best friend on July 13th. It'll be my second time in IMAX. I'd love to see it a third time, but it'll be tough as the tickets keep selling out before I can arrange to go! Diana L. > I have a question- does GoF in IMAX count in the tally for movie > sales/rank? > I haven't seen it yet in Imax and I am begging my husband to go. I > think he'll give in, but I was wondering if IMAX ticket sales are > included in the movie tallies. Anyone know? > > Lauren > From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Jan 3 01:03:22 2006 From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:03:22 -0000 Subject: IMAX adventures, part the second Message-ID: New thoughts Just saw HP in IMAX again and had lots of new thoughts and observations to share with you all. A while back Richard introduced the idea of communicating important information visually rather than through exposition. The tongue flicking that clues us into Barty Crouch Jr.'s true identity plus that black leather jacket were great visual signals. I think that Mike Newell (MN henceforth) laid the foundation for another plot point by using the twins' ever-present small industry of taking bets on each of the tasks. While their betting on the World Cup and Harry were bits in the book, it wasn't a business and then I realized, their book-making may be used to explain where they get start- up money for Weasley's Wizard Weezies (since the Tri-wizard winnings got no screen time). I can just hear them now explaining to Harry, "We made quite a packet off you, mate!" Throughout this film, MN showed such a great feel for not only what works but what is eminently enjoyable. James and Oliver never failed to deliver (favorite line from the film "Well done, dragon!) and I am so thrilled he didn't waste these very talented boys. Another short-hand element (small perhaps, but demonstrated MN's great finesse) was the way he had of cutting from one place to the next. Two instances specifically: To show that Harry would be going to Dumbledore's office. We first see DD''s office window (light in window, of course) from the outside and at eye-level so the camera is literally in the air, making the viewer wheeling throught the air as well Then the camera cuts to inside the office. He also used this device when Fake Moody took Harry away from the return scene. They exit the arena, the camera pans up and that haunting music rises and then we see the window of FM's office (again with the light on) and cut to Harry and Fake Moody entering. It's a very deft way to cut to things and still keep us connected. Bits I noticed that added to my experience: The Durmstrang ship had little onion skin domes! What a nice touch that JKR herself must have liked! The first time MN uses an architectural object to orient us, it is the carving on the bow of the Durmstrang ship, (please someone tell me what that is called. I just spent 30 fruitless minutes trying to google it!), it looks like a bird of prey (Viktor reference perhaps). The second time, it's a gargoyle on the castle that the camera focuses on and the pans down from. This vantage point is a motif used throughout the film, the camera showing us a view that the normal eye would never see. I am not sure what it means but it gives the film a lightness somehow, the feeling that we fly among and around Hogwarts, that we aren't limited to the ground. As the last task began, all the champions, save Harry, had a second with them. Dumbledore comes out with him but it's obvious in his demeanor that he is not Harry's cheerleader or anchor. Harry looks noticeably wistful seeing the support each of the others has and all the enthusiasm each champion generates during introductions. When his name is called and the Gryffendor section explodes into cheers, a very thankful smile breaks across his face. In the graveyard scene, near the time for Harry to escape, you can see Lucius pulling out his wand and LV warning him that Harry is his to finish. I couldn't have made that out on a regular scene. There's just too much detail to follow. Finally, that ending, that somewhat abrupt and perhaps less than satisfying ending I looked very closely this time. Hermione seems on the verge of tears, she's trembling almost when she says "Now everything's going to change." But this time I saw that with Harry's unruffled "Yes," that she seemed to take comfort. The fear in her eyes seemed to ease a bit. That was a great relief on my part. It seems the challenge for directors coming at Harry is 1) How to approach Harry in a creative manner when JKR has created such a circumscribed and detailed world and 2) how to keep that damnable plot moving along at the same time! MN seems to have found the best balance yet. Let me hear your thoughts and additions to my observations! Jen D From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Jan 3 03:26:18 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:26:18 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan on Regis and Kelly Message-ID: <2a3.3367329.30eb48da@aol.com> In a message dated 12/31/2005 8:25:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: Listen, sweetie, if you had to miss Dan somewhere in the universe(a thing I do not like to do either, but hey, RL gets in the way sometimes) you couldn't have picked a better thing to miss! Regis and Kelly hardly let the poor lad get a word in edgewise. I had to subsist off the view. He's looking swell. Jen The poor kid -- at one point, he just sat back and said, "I'll just let you to handle it" or something like that! He has a lot more class than a lot of people I've seen interviewed! He handled a very awkward situation with grace and good humor. I could have STRANGLED Kelly! We don't NEED to hear HER talk about the HP BOOK phenomenon with the actor who stars in the FILMS!!!! Argh. . . . There's an article on DanRadcliffe.com (the "Total Film" article) that has a nice new (very mature-looking!) pic of Dan, and it's an interview with him AFTER "December Boys" wrapped. It isn't long or in great detail, but it's the first I've seen since the film wrapped -- and he has matured a lot in the last six or seven weeks, from the look of this picture. His face is much more angular. I'd love to know how tall he is now -- looks like he's on a real growth spurt. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 03:57:55 2006 From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:57:55 -0500 Subject: OotP? Message-ID: <10ea01c61019$e1bcc730$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Has anyone seen IMDB about this movie? Only Dan, Emma, Rupert and Jason Isaacs are listed thus far under "cast", though I was thrilled to see John Williams back for the score. I did/do love the GoF score, mind you, but John Williams is just, well, John Williams.... Anyone else known to have signed back on? Bonnie, Mark Williams, Maggie, Alan? Thanks, Michelle Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Tue Jan 3 04:36:43 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:36:43 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OotP? Message-ID: <1dd.4cb3fd33.30eb595b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/2/06 11:00:11 PM, gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com writes: > I did/do love the GoF score, mind you, but John Williams is just, well, > John Williams.... > Wow thank you for the information on John Williams reprising his role as composer. The soundtrack for GoF is lovely, but lacked (pardon the pun) the magic of the previous three :-) John Wiliams is by far my favorite composer :-) Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Tue Jan 3 04:34:20 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:34:20 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan on Regis and Kelly Message-ID: <9e.3417684b.30eb58cc@aol.com> In a message dated 1/2/06 10:27:29 PM, artsylynda at aol.com writes: > I'd love to know how tall he is now -- looks like he's? on a real > growth spurt. > I just pulled up the site and they added some scans from Parateen magzine. I particulary like the third scan....quite nice. According to the imdb.com....he is 5'7" :-) Amy :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tripchick at rogers.com Tue Jan 3 16:08:29 2006 From: tripchick at rogers.com (TripChick) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:08:29 -0500 Subject: IMAX adventures, part the second In-Reply-To: <1136293377.535.9149.m16@yahoogroups.com> References: <1136293377.535.9149.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <768F03D0-3284-4DEA-97E2-EE6F2339007F@rogers.com> On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:02 AM, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote: > The first time MN uses an architectural object to orient us, it is > the carving on the bow of the Durmstrang ship, (please someone tell > me what that is called. I just spent 30 fruitless minutes trying to > google it!), it looks like a bird of prey (Viktor reference > perhaps). the figurehead? Is that what you mean? tc From bboyminn at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 19:32:30 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:32:30 -0000 Subject: IMAX adventures, part the second In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:02 AM, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > The first time MN uses an architectural object to orient us, > > > it is the carving on the bow of the Durmstrang ship, (please > > > someone tell me what that is called. I just spent 30 > > > fruitless minutes trying to google it!), it looks like a > > > bird of prey (Viktor reference perhaps). > > > > TC: > > > > the figurehead? Is that what you mean? > > > > tc > > > Pray tell is it often in the form of a woman's upper torso? I > couldn't find a diagram that showed such a carving. I am assuming > it was something found on pirate ship? Share if you know. > Jen D > bboyminn: Indeed 'Figurehead' is the correct term, unless it is carved to look like the narrow end of a violin and then it is called a fiddlehead. Figurehead - 2. Nautical. A carved figure on the prow of a ship. Fiddlehead - 1. Nautical. A curved, scroll-like ornamentation at the top of a ship's bow that resembles the neck of a violin. Examples: http://seagifts.com/seagifts/shipfig.html http://seagifts.com/seagifts/baudladshipf.html http://members.tripod.com/~shipcarve/ http://gonewengland.about.com/od/ctsightseeing/ss/aamysticseaport_8.htm Just passing it along. Steve/bboyminn From mymusical_girls at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 19:57:15 2006 From: mymusical_girls at yahoo.com (Raechel) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: OotP? In-Reply-To: <10ea01c61019$e1bcc730$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Message-ID: <20060103195715.54235.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> Michelle Chandler wrote: > Has anyone seen IMDB about this movie? Only Dan, Emma, Rupert > and Jason Isaacs are listed thus far under "cast", though I > was thrilled to see John Williams back for the score. I did/do > love the GoF score, mind you, but John Williams is just, well, > John Williams.... > > Anyone else known to have signed back on? Bonnie, Mark Williams, > Maggie, Alan? I read that Mrs. Weasley is going to be back for the next film. Also, I'm sure you're already aware of who signed on as the evil Umbridge, Imelda Staunton. She is a fabulous actress. Good casting, I think. Raechel From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 21:07:44 2006 From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:07:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OotP? References: <20060103195715.54235.qmail@web60321.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <134001c610a9$be974560$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Oh, great! I love Julie Harris as Molly. I couldn't see them cutting her out of this one (as they so brutally did from GoF - I SO wanted that hug!) since Arthur's injury is so central to the story... I hear that the woman cast as Umbridge will be perfect for the part - not familiar with the actress, though. I assume we'll have Gary Oldman again - and what about the other students? Felton, Herdman, et al? I guess I was just surprised that IMDB's list was so short.... Michelle Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator ----- Original Message ----- From: Raechel To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OotP? I read that Mrs. Weasley is going to be back for the next film. Also, I'm sure you're already aware of who signed on as the evil Umbridge, Imelda Staunton. She is a fabulous actress. Good casting, I think. Raechel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Jan 3 23:34:31 2006 From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:34:31 -0000 Subject: DVD release date rumored Message-ID: Leakey has a release date for March 7th for Goblet. This is the second time that date has surfaced so it is starting to look more likely. I am not familiar with strategies involved in releasing dvd's but it seems very soon to me. Does anyone have any idea if it is an early date (less than 4 montbs after the premier) or fairly standard? Also there is talk that there will be a "deluxe" edition, whatever that means. Jen D. From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Wed Jan 4 00:06:57 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:06:57 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD release date rumored Message-ID: <206.1050ab70.30ec6ba1@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/06 6:35:52 PM, rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu writes: > Does anyone have any idea if it is an early > date (less than 4 montbs after the premier) or fairly standard? > The last one I remember was Star Wars III...it was less than six months I believe :-) Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk Wed Jan 4 00:33:04 2006 From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:33:04 -0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <134001c610a9$be974560$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Message-ID: That's Julie Walters. From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 00:51:51 2006 From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:51:51 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown) References: Message-ID: <141401c610c9$0d8d9010$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Right. I knew it sounded odd. Blame it on sleep deprivation! Michelle Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator ----- Original Message ----- From: joxy To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:33 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown) That's Julie Walters. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu Wed Jan 4 00:54:13 2006 From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:54:13 -0000 Subject: DVD release date rumored In-Reply-To: <206.1050ab70.30ec6ba1@aol.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GryffindorAuburn at a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/3/06 6:35:52 PM, rdas at f... writes: > > > > Does anyone have any idea if it is an early > > date (less than 4 montbs after the premier) or fairly standard? > > > > The last one I remember was Star Wars III...it was less than six months I > believe :-) > > Amy I wondered because with the hoopla over IMAXHarry, our local IMAX is having sold-out shows every weekend. It seems the theaters would want to milk that cow for a little longer. Perhaps the IMAX experience is so singular that the powers that be do not anticipate any lessening of hoards going just because you can have Goblet all to yourself on your somewhat smaller screen... Jen D > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From amanda_haffery at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 00:32:45 2006 From: amanda_haffery at hotmail.com (Amanda Haffery) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:32:45 +0000 Subject: DVD release date rumored In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jen D.: >Leakey has a release date for March 7th for Goblet. This is the >second time that date has surfaced so it is starting to look more >likely. I am not familiar with strategies involved in releasing >dvd's but it seems very soon to me. Does anyone have any idea if >it is an early date (less than 4 montbs after the premier) or >fairly standard? Also there is talk that there will be a "deluxe" >edition, whatever that means. For approximatly the last two years movies have been released to DVD within 3-4 months after the theater. It didn't used to be that way. I've noticed it a lot in 2005. Amanda From hln321 at aol.com Wed Jan 4 14:31:33 2006 From: hln321 at aol.com (hln321 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 09:31:33 -0500 Subject: OotP/imdb.com In-Reply-To: <1136380161.433.69725.m16@yahoogroups.com> References: <1136380161.433.69725.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <8C7DF52B1B113FF-9B4-1D5FB@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> I hear that the woman cast as Umbridge will be perfect for the part - not familiar with the actress, though. I assume we'll have Gary Oldman again - and what about the other students? Felton, Herdman, et al? I guess I was just surprised that IMDB's list was so short.... Just a note of caution to those who take imdb's list as factual - it is actually put together by anyone with "information" that isn't checked. If anyone watches "Lost," you might remember when they posted four or five actors & actresses who supposedly were in roles for the second season (Tina Wesson from Survivor & Samuel L Jackson among them), and it all turned out to be a hoax! Personally, I check www.mugglenet.com for any information regarding OotP! Here is a link (which I'm sure ALL of us have seen!) with all of their OotP news: http://mugglenet.com/movies/movie5/index.shtml. :0) Heidi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chintz22 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 14:52:39 2006 From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:52:39 -0000 Subject: First time in an IMAX theater to see GOF; Is there a best place to sit? Message-ID: Hi All, First post for me. In part because of all the rave reviews the IMAX version of GOF has gotten here I'm planning to see GOF in this format this weekend. I've never been to an IMAX theater and I wondered if it makes a difference where one sits--any suggestions for the optimal viewing experience? Many thanks, Sarah From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 17:38:44 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:38:44 -0000 Subject: First time in an IMAX theater to see GOF; Is there a best place to sit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "chintz22" wrote: > > Hi All, > > First post for me. In part because of all the rave reviews the IMAX > version of GOF has gotten here I'm planning to see GOF in this format > this weekend. I've never been to an IMAX theater and I wondered if it > makes a difference where one sits--any suggestions for the optimal > viewing experience? > > Many thanks, > > Sarah > Hi Sarah! My experience has proven (I used to work in a Science Museum that has the "World's Largest IMAX Theater") was to sit as close to the projector as possible, as this puts you "in the middle" (since Imax sort of surrounds you). Good luck, and let me know what you think! Lauren From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 17:45:12 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:45:12 -0000 Subject: OotP? In-Reply-To: <10ea01c61019$e1bcc730$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Chandler" wrote: > > Has anyone seen IMDB about this movie? Only Dan, Emma, Rupert and Jason Isaacs are listed thus far under "cast", though I was thrilled to see John Williams back for the score. I did/do love the GoF score, mind you, but John Williams is just, well, John Williams.... > > Anyone else known to have signed back on? Bonnie, Mark Williams, Maggie, Alan? > > Thanks, > Michelle > Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > HOORAY for John Williams returning!! Have I TOLD you how much I love him?! Excellent! :-) Lauren From jheiler at sympatico.ca Wed Jan 4 18:28:21 2006 From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:28:21 -0000 Subject: First time in an IMAX theater to see GOF; Is there a best place to sit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "chintz22" wrote: > > Hi All, > > First post for me. In part because of all the rave reviews the IMAX > version of GOF has gotten here I'm planning to see GOF in this format > this weekend. I've never been to an IMAX theater and I wondered if it > makes a difference where one sits--any suggestions for the optimal > viewing experience? > > Many thanks, > > Sarah Hi, Sarah: Best seats in an IMAX theatre are usually in the middle of the very last row (the screen is HUGE!). Those are the seats that usually go first, too! Enjoy your ultimitate GOF experience, Nicole From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu Wed Jan 4 19:47:44 2006 From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:47:44 -0000 Subject: First time in an IMAX theater to see GOF; Is there a best place to sit? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "chintz22" wrote: > > Hi All, > > First post for me. In part because of all the rave reviews the IMAX > version of GOF has gotten here I'm planning to see GOF in this format > this weekend. I've never been to an IMAX theater and I wondered if it > makes a difference where one sits--any suggestions for the optimal > viewing experience? > > Many thanks, > > Sarah >Hi Sarah! We like to sit smack in the middle of the upper level of seats (sometimes there are some bottom seats way too low down for comfort). I don't think there is a "bad seat" once you get to the middle and above. Be sure to tell us what you thought! You're gonna love it! Jen D From bunniqula at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 20:45:20 2006 From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:45:20 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: First time in an IMAX theater to see GOF; Is there a best place to sit? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a2738400601041245t61e0bd1ds7c6cbf33ff6edf02@mail.gmail.com> On 1/4/06, susanbones2003 wrote: > I don't think there is a "bad seat" once you get to the middle and > above. Be sure to tell us what you thought! You're gonna love it! {g} For my first IMAX experience (HP:POA), I got stuck at the very front row (neckstrain seating ;-)) because it was packed and I arrived ~10 minutes before the movie started on premiere night--yeah, bad idea. I can say it was a... 'different' experience. {chuckle} Everything was *big* and literally up in your face and you could rest your feet on the guard rail since there was a drop area below the screen, however, tipping your head back--thus, the usefulness of feet on the guard rail to angle your body--and 'scanning' from side to side was *not* fun. So, your best bet is back and towards the middle. ...And dude, I was eating a mini Danish and I bit into something hard to find out the apple filling center had a stem. :-\ Hm, it could be worse; day before yesterday, I forgot a jumbo-sized palmetto roach died in the washer and I tossed my clothes/towels in there and ran the wash. $#!%! Ewww, dead bug got cleaned but I *had* to run the wash again... I was considering a *third* wash cycle. {shudder} It was the 'white' load and to see this dark bug... Eww! Dina From jellocat at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 00:45:35 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:45:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1369 In-Reply-To: <1136293377.535.9149.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: I just read susanbones2003's comments about the IMAX version of the film and really liked what you had to say about its attention to detail. I especially liked your description of the "lightness" of the film and how you felt you weren't limited to the ground. Very apt for the HP world! I just saw the IMAX film for the first time this past weekend (what better a way to bring in the new year!) and must say - WOW! I had never seen an IMAX movie before and was stunned by the life-sized actors and detail you don't see in the usual theater. I noticed so many things I hadn't seen before from the weave of the cloth in some of the outfits to the small, white (I'm guessing - chocolate) mice on the table during the beginning feast in the Great Hall. Even as Dumbledore gave his beginning speech about the Goblet of Fire, I had never noticed all the other teachers behind him, seated at the main table. Other things I noticed that I can remember off the top of my head - Harry was holding a plate of sandwiches in the tent after they returned from the World Q Cup. Ron mumbling after Harry walks off to ask the Patil twins to be their dates that he "always liked looking at them from behind..." and continues to groan. There were other things I noticed, but now I can't remember what they were. I'll just need to go see it again! And I won't even go into the sound quality! Bloody brilliant! jellocat From lodonne4 at twcny.rr.com Thu Jan 5 01:40:33 2006 From: lodonne4 at twcny.rr.com (Lorie J. O'Donnell) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:40:33 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:OotP/imdb.com In-Reply-To: <8C7DF52B1B113FF-9B4-1D5FB@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> References: <1136380161.433.69725.m16@yahoogroups.com> <8C7DF52B1B113FF-9B4-1D5FB@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0396be87b7ab5f4ae5f33c847d5e8afc@twcny.rr.com> But if you go to the Cast page, the webmaster gives thanks and credit to IMDB for the info there. So I guess it's 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other... Lorie On Jan 4, 2006, at 9:31 AM, hln321 at aol.com wrote: > I hear that the woman cast as Umbridge will be perfect for the part - > not > familiar with the actress, though. I assume we'll have Gary Oldman > again - and > what about the other students? Felton, Herdman, et al? I guess I was > just > surprised that IMDB's list was so short.... > > Just a note of caution to those who take imdb's list as factual - it > is actually put together by anyone with "information" that isn't > checked. If anyone watches "Lost," you might remember when they posted > four or five actors & actresses who supposedly were in roles for the > second season (Tina Wesson from Survivor & Samuel L Jackson among > them), and it all turned out to be a hoax! > > Personally, I check www.mugglenet.com for any information regarding > OotP! Here is a link (which I'm sure ALL of us have seen!) with all of > their OotP news: http://mugglenet.com/movies/movie5/index.shtml. > > :0) Heidi > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > "Librarians are librarians: they are not caregivers, nurturers, social workers, surrogate parents, welfare agents, or therapists. When all is said and done, their role is straightforward: they gather stuff, impose some order on said stuff, and make the stuff available to the public." --Blaise Cronin From ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 09:15:25 2006 From: ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com (Petra) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 01:15:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: GoF on HD DVD to be released on April 11, 2006 Message-ID: <20060105091525.90884.qmail@web51909.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm...haven't seen an official press release from WB yet but Variety says that: > Warner Home Video will release 24 HD DVD titles in 2006, > and the first of them, to bow March 28, will include > "Batman Begins" and "Million Dollar Baby," followed on > April 11 by "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" You can read the full article at: http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117935514&c=1009 Cheers y'all! Petra a n :) __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com From rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu Thu Jan 5 12:29:59 2006 From: rdas at facstaff.wisc.edu (susanbones2003) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:29:59 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 1369 Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jellocat" wrote: > jellocat: Well spotted jellocat! Those white chocolate mice have been roaming in around in my mind and I just couldn't seem to get them to the front of the queue. Thanks for mentioning them! Also, glad you quoted Ron! That bit while he was off-screen about liking when they walk, that's Rupert Grint's natural talent for delivery just shining there. He is my unsung hero in this film. He always seemed to have a bit that added so much to any scene he was in. I just died as he was about to take Prof. McGonagall's waist amid the catcalls that ensued and how deftly she managed to prevent him from making a rude gesture with his right hand. That was a great little piece of choreography there! You mentioned many things I hadn't seen as well. Thanks, it gives me the reason I need to see it again! Keep sharing. Jen D > From jellocat at comcast.net Fri Jan 6 01:07:28 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:07:28 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1371 In-Reply-To: <1136476031.746.30317.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > jellocat: Well spotted jellocat! Those white chocolate mice have been roaming in around in my mind and I just couldn't seem to get them to the front of the queue. Thanks for mentioning them! Also, glad you quoted Ron! That bit while he was off-screen about liking when they walk, that's Rupert Grint's natural talent for delivery just shining there. He is my unsung hero in this film. He always seemed to have a bit that added so much to any scene he was in. I just died as he was about to take Prof. McGonagall's waist amid the catcalls that ensued and how deftly she managed to prevent him from making a rude gesture with his right hand. That was a great little piece of choreography there! You mentioned many things I hadn't seen as well. Thanks, it gives me the reason I need to see it again! Keep sharing. Jen D > Ron is my favorite character in the books and I'm SO pleased with Rupert's continuing growth with the role and in his own acting abilities. He really is such a natural at such things. Oh, another thing I noticed was the name of the cereal they seemed to be eating - Pixie Puffs. LOL! jellocat From chintz22 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 14:05:20 2006 From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:05:20 -0000 Subject: Thanks to all for the IMAX seating suggestions! Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about IMAX seating. It's a good thing I asked since I would have gone for completely the wrong area of the theater! I'll report in on my experience this weekend. Also, I'm reading through the previous posts and having such a good time. I love the Internet. From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 6 20:10:20 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:10:20 -0000 Subject: GOF observations Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jellocat" wrote: Hi again Jellocat and anyone else interested in little details from GOF: One thing I wanted to mention was the small attempt to throw suspicion onto Karkarov in the film. After the Goblet was introduced, there was a small scene where Karkarov went to the room the Goblet was housed in and shut the doors after looking around to make sure he wasn't seen. That took a while to sink in for me but last time I saw it, I also noticed that during the dragon scene (I think)at least once during the time before Harry gets his broom and the dragon is doing its best to batter Harry, the camera cuts to Karkarov to demonstrate his obvious pleasure. I know it's a small thing and while I don't think it worked all that well, I do think it's because almost everyone in the world knows the plot and could have never been thrown off by that small attempt. Also fun little thing: Watch the Patil twins when they walk through the Great Hall at one point. The first shot is from the rear. One of the twins is wearing platforms because she is much shorter than the other and I imagine the camrera person wanted them in the same close up, so the stilts! Enough with the odds and ends... Jen D From artsylynda at aol.com Sat Jan 7 03:54:10 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:54:10 EST Subject: IMAX seating, etc. Message-ID: <96.35481739.30f09562@aol.com> On the IMAX seating topic -- some theaters have ASSIGNED seating, as I learned to my surprise when I went to the IMAX in Springdale OH. Here my friend and I were, choosing which seats we wanted, when the folks we'd entered behind told us those were the seats they'd TRIED to get, but they were already sold. So we looked at our tickets and found out we were higher up, but still in the center. They'd sold the center tickets first, all the way up through the theater, then the ones on either side. Our seats were still excellent, just higher than we'd planned on being. I went to "see Harry" (in GoF, LOL!) for the fifth time today. There were only three of us in the theater for the 12:20 showing -- and the only other showing today was 3:30, so I suppose the film will leave the first-run theaters next week. I spent this viewing looking for details I'd overlooked. Lo and behold, I saw stubble on Dan's lip and jaw every so often! heehee. I'd just read an article online somewhere about the guys who have to airbrush out the kids' pimples. THe guy said for the next one, he'd have to airbrush out stubble, so I looked for it, having heard Martha Stewart very rudely comment on Dan's beard on her show (he said "I thought I'd shaved pretty well this morning. . ." Poor kid! She was a TERRIBLE interviewer!!) I noticed more details about the background in most scenes now that I know the foreground so well. I LOVE the detail they have in the scenes! The desserts on the Gryffindor table for the Welcome Feast were amazing! When GoF hits the dollar theaters, I'll probably go a few more times to try to see more of the details -- it will be easier to do on a big screen than on a home screen with a DVD! But I'm looking forward to the DVD too! I noticed on Leaky that some British group named scenes that would be included in the DVD -- will the Brits get different DVDs than us??? There were a lot more and different scenes listed than I'd read were to be included in our DVD. If they're going to have a different version, I want one too!!! argh. . . Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jellocat at comcast.net Sat Jan 7 18:18:44 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:18:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1373 In-Reply-To: <1136649995.375.52366.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: From: "susanbones2003" Subject: GOF observations --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jellocat" wrote: Hi again Jellocat and anyone else interested in little details from Also fun little thing: Watch the Patil twins when they walk through the Great Hall at one point. The first shot is from the rear. One of the twins is wearing platforms because she is much shorter than the other and I imagine the camrera person wanted them in the same close up, so the stilts! Enough with the odds and ends... Jen D I also noticed those scenes with Karkaroff. Seeing those teeth on IMAX made me shudder! I read about the platform shoes one of them had to wear someplace on the 'net. She was the one that danced with Harry, as well. Can you imagine dancing in such shoes? From: artsylynda at aol.com Subject: IMAX seating, etc. behold, I saw stubble on Dan's lip and jaw every so often! heehee. I'd just read an article online somewhere about the guys who have to airbrush out the kids' pimples. THe guy said for the next one, he'd have to airbrush out stubble, so I looked for it, having heard Martha Stewart very rudely comment on Dan's beard on her show (he said "I thought I'd shaved pretty well this morning. . ." Poor kid! She was a TERRIBLE interviewer!!) LOL! I never saw that interview but I mean... wouldn't Harry be shaving by the time the 6th/7th movie came around? That's a bit completely unrealistic! I did, however, uh, notice Dan's hairy armpits in the bath scene on IMAX. LOL! Kid will probably be hairy guy when he gets older. Hairy Harry. Heh. I noticed more details about the background in most scenes now that I know the foreground so well. I LOVE the detail they have in the scenes! The desserts on the Gryffindor table for the Welcome Feast were amazing! Yes! Tantalizing, weren't they? Love the mice, too! I noticed on Leaky that some British group named scenes that would be included in the DVD -- will the Brits get different DVDs than us??? There were a lot more and different scenes listed than I'd read were to be included in our DVD. If they're going to have a different version, I want one too!!! argh. . . I hope not. I want every deleted scene on that DVD, especially the one where Hermione and Ron go to comfort Harry after the last task. jellocat From rkdas at charter.net Sat Jan 7 21:16:24 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 21:16:24 -0000 Subject: Deleted scene question etc. Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jellocat" wrote: SNIPPED:> From: artsylynda at a... > Subject: IMAX seating, etc. > > behold, I saw stubble on Dan's lip and jaw every so often! heehee. I'd just read an article online somewhere about the guys who have to airbrushed out the kids' pimples. THe guy said for the next one, he'd have to airbrush out> stubble, so I looked for it, having heard Martha Stewart very rudely comment on Dan's beard on her show (he said "I thought I'd shaved pretty well this > morning. . ." Poor kid! She was a TERRIBLE interviewer!!) > > Jen adds: It's so disconcerting, having Dan grow up in front of our eyes and you know how old you are when it's just such a delight to see him starting to have hair in odd places. Or normal places...um a matter of perspective I guess. But I digress. Don't you know what presence of mind he must have not to be totally put off when someone as clueless as Martha mentions his facial hair? I have a teen and she takes no delight whatsoever in being noticed! I had a point, sorry. It's gone.... SNIPPED AGAIN:> > I did, however, uh, notice Dan's hairy armpits in the bath scene on IMAX. > LOL! Kid will probably be hairy guy when he gets older. Hairy Harry. Heh. > > SNIPPED YET AGAIN> > > I noticed on Leaky that some British group named scenes that would be included in the DVD -- will the Brits get different DVDs than us??? There were a lot more and different scenes listed than I'd read were to be included in our DVD. If they're going to have a different version, I want one too!!! > argh. > . . > > I hope not. I want every deleted scene on that DVD, especially the one where > Hermione and Ron go to comfort Harry after the last task. Jen asks: Where, pray tell did you hear of this scene? I read the Leaky piece but couldn't find that scene mentioned. > > J-cat, we should start a list of our favorite little bits, like those mice! Jen D > jellocat > From chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 23:22:02 2006 From: chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com (alora67) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:22:02 -0000 Subject: Deleted scene question etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > SNIPPED AGAIN:> > > I did, however, uh, notice Dan's hairy armpits in the bath scene > on IMAX. > > LOL! Kid will probably be hairy guy when he gets older. Hairy > Harry. Heh. I have two sons, one just turned 14 this week, the other will be 13 in a few months time. The oldest has had hair in ALL places since he was 12. The second oldest has hair NO WHERE on his body. It's the funniest thing. I did notice Dan's hairy armpits, but wasn't he 15 when he filmed GoF? My son is 14 and hairy, so it was no surprise to see Harry "hairy". Hehe. That's been one of the most fun things as a parent, to watch my four kids develop, each of them at their own pace, and differently. I really enjoy watching all the HP kids grow up on film, too. It must have been a little disconcerting when Martha brought up the hair thing. Geez. I know when I was a teen, I didn't want to be noticed, either. I just wanted to melt into the wallpaper. Alora From jellocat at comcast.net Sun Jan 8 16:15:52 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:15:52 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1374 In-Reply-To: <1136726388.257.13500.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: From: "susanbones2003" Subject: Deleted scene question etc. > > Jen adds: It's so disconcerting, having Dan grow up in front of our eyes and you know how old you are when it's just such a delight to see him starting to have hair in odd places. Or normal places...um a matter of perspective I guess. But I digress. Don't you know what presence of mind he must have not to be totally put off when someone as clueless as Martha mentions his facial hair? I have a teen and she takes no delight whatsoever in being noticed! I had a point, sorry. It's gone.... LOL! I go through that as well. Umm... what was I saying? Yeah, all the time. It is really WEIRD to watch these kids grow up on screen. I can't remember any other film that dealt with this - kids growing up through the film. The last time I remember something like that was watching Mark Hamill, the guy that played Luke Skywalker, change with each of the three Star Wars movies. I guess there are TV shows where you basically see the kids grow up, but that's more of a slow progression. This has been a bit dramatic but very cool. All three, especially the boys, are just going to be gorgeous as they get older. I'm especially fond of Rupert. I think he's going to do very well with his film career (and Dan will, as well). Not sure how Emma will fare, though. It's so much harder for women. I almost see Dan as someone that will have the career Ron Howard had. Howard acted for many years and then went into directing where he's been extremely successful. I can see Dan doing such a thing. Wouldn't it be cool if one day he directs a movie the trio appear in. heh. > . . > > I hope not. I want every deleted scene on that DVD, especially the one where > Hermione and Ron go to comfort Harry after the last task. Jen asks: Where, pray tell did you hear of this scene? I read the Leaky piece but couldn't find that scene mentioned. I saw it somewhere listed... I think, actually, it was one of the calendars that included those scenes and had the caption underneath that said how the two were looking for Harry to console him. > > J-cat, we should start a list of our favorite little bits, like those mice! Jen D Certainly! I hope I remember stuff. I hope it'll be around IMAX a bit longer because I want to go back and see it again. jcat ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Geez. I know when I was a teen, I didn't want to be noticed, either. I just wanted to melt into the wallpaper. Alora LOL! I don't have any kids, but I do have nieces and a gazillion little cousins (2nd cousins? 1st cousins once removed?) that have all gone through similar. They're quite funny about their "hair" no matter where it is. Some of the boys are very proud of the fact that they can grow beards and mustaches. I think kids are developing a lot earlier these days than before, too, perhaps because of all the hormones in our foods. I'm with you, Alora, I wanted to completely melt into the wallpaper when I was that age. In fact, I STILL want to melt into the wallpaper... is that where the term "wallflower" comes from? Jellocat From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Jan 8 19:24:32 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:24:32 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1373 Message-ID: <2d6.d947c5.30f2c0f0@aol.com> >>From: artsylynda at aol.com Subject: IMAX seating, etc. behold, I saw stubble on Dan's lip and jaw every so often! heehee. I'd just read an article online somewhere about the guys who have to airbrush out the kids' pimples. THe guy said for the next one, he'd have to airbrush out stubble, so I looked for it, having heard Martha Stewart very rudely comment on Dan's beard on her show (he said "I thought I'd shaved pretty well this morning. . ." Poor kid! She was a TERRIBLE interviewer!!) << Jellocat wrote in response: LOL! I never saw that interview but I mean... wouldn't Harry be shaving by the time the 6th/7th movie came around? That's a bit completely unrealistic! I did, however, uh, notice Dan's hairy armpits in the bath scene on IMAX. LOL! Kid will probably be hairy guy when he gets older. Hairy Harry. Heh.<< If you noticed during the scene BEFORE he was shoved in the lake, his legs looked like a young boy's legs, thin and wiry and not much hair showing. When he came OUT of the lake, he had very hairy legs, LOL, which were also heavier looking (not "fat" but more filled out)! They must have re-shot that "leaping out of the lake" bit and the stuff right after it when he was closer to 16 for him to look so different between scenes -- or maybe those changes came on him suddenly, who knows? It happens. As for shaving, boys often start shaving at 13-15, with their beards just getting heavier, their chests hairier (yes, Dan's getting hairy there too, you could see it in the bathtub scene, particularly in IMAX), the hair on their legs and arms getting darker and more coarse. Dan said in an interview he "could tell the difference" between how he was then (at age 16) and when the bathtub scene was filmed -- he said he "knew what to look for." So I suspect those few hairs on his chest have increased in number considerably since that scene was filmed. ;-) Reminds me of when our son was growing up -- he went from having fine blond hairs on his arms to coarse, dark blond hair on his arm when he was 15 -- it was an amazing and somewhat sudden (it seemed to me!) difference! That's also when he started growing up to match his size-12 feet. . . . Fortunately for us, his growth spurt hit in the summer when he was wearing shorts all the time! LOL! It's such fun to see the changes in kids (both your own and those on screen) as they grow and mature. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From Mhochberg at aol.com Sun Jan 8 21:41:26 2006 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:41:26 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1374 Message-ID: <2b.188d2e8.30f2e106@aol.com> alora67" _chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com_ (mailto:chrisnlorrie at yahoo.com) writes: It must have been a little disconcerting when Martha brought up the hair thing. Geez. I know when I was a teen, I didn't want to be noticed, either. I just wanted to melt into the wallpaper. I wrote: It was a gentle teasing and he handled it extremely well. I was very impressed with how he handled all the questions from both Martha and the audience. He also seemed to having a good time and was a great guest, asking questions of the audience and telling stories quite well. You can download the video at http://www.veritaserum.com/vtmmedia/videos/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=157 Daniel is becoming quite proficient at handling both interviewers and audiences! ---Mary There's no thief like a bad book. --Italian Proverb From geebsy at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 10:26:06 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:26:06 -0000 Subject: IMAX newbie Message-ID: Coming late to the IMAX discussion, but I have been away from this list for about a month & took a loooong time to get caught up. Just happened to be in Edmonton the weekend after GoF was released and saw it at the IMAX. My husband, who has read no fantasy books (unless you count Crieghton) decided to come with me. It was the 1st time I had been to an IMAX for 25 years. We went early & got centre seats. I was spell bound by the sound and visuals and although I was disappointed in the story itself - so much of the backstory had been left out-- HE was able to follow it very well. Steve K. did a good job picking his was through the chaff to get to the grain. The only problem hubby had was the polyjuice potion. Not having seen any other HP movie or read any book he did not understand the references to it--until the unmasking in Moody's office. He did put things together when he saw the visual snake/tongue clue though. BTW after seeing the movie at the IMAX we went out and bought a deluxe home theatre system for the big screen TV--LoTR is fantastic with such a system--as are quite a few scenes from previous HP movies-- Whomping Willow in PoA is great! From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 19:30:29 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:30:29 -0000 Subject: My IMAX experience Message-ID: FINALLY, my hubby has gone with me to see GoF in IMAX. I thought we were going to go 2 weeks ago, but Brian (aka hubby) was feeling very tired of Harry & my obsession on that particular day, so we put it off. Until, however, I started to panic about it leaving the theaters. My beloved was so good to indulge me in my last movie viewing (until, at least, the DVD comes out!), that we went yesterday, and braved 2 trains and a subway to get to the Lincoln Square Theater in Manhattan. We got there an hour and a half before the show, and after reading everyone's posts about their IMAX experience, I was determined to get a good seat by getting there early. We went up to the 4th floor (where the entrance of the theater was) and sat by the window and people watched for a while. (It actually felt good to sit down, we had walked many blocks and had to stand for the second train ride and the subway ride.) Finally 45 minutes before the show was to start, they opened the doors, and 10 of us went inside. The theater there is HUGE. The science center where I worked only sat 240 people and seemed "cozy" by comparion to this theater. I would dare guess it was at least double that, capacity-wise! We found our perfect seats, and waited, chatting about all our favorite scenes and how much we looked forward to seeing them on this humongous screen. Hubby even mentioned how he thought their wouldn't be too many people viewing this movie on this day, because he felt the film had been out long enough that the interest might "be running out of steam". How wrong he was!! At 30 minutes 'till showtime, the stream of people filling the theater seemed unending. How grateful he was, telling me later, that we got there as early as we did. The place was PACKED. And to see GoF on such a large screen, and the surround sound- AMAZING. Just a truly wonderful experience. And to hear GoF has broken IMAX records- well, I can hardly say I'm surprised! From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 19:55:02 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:55:02 -0000 Subject: What do all the colors mean? Message-ID: I haven't seen it in any back posts, but I could certainly be wrong... Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this and/or amybe knows what it might mean... It seems that in the films, Harry wears a lot of blue, Ron wears red and Hermione wears pink. Not all of the time, like, in GoF, Ron wears a blue striped baja-type pullover (over a red t-shirt, of course). And sometimes Harry has like a heather-gray sweatshirt, but usually they seem to follow this color-coded-ness. Even Hermione's Yule Ball dress, which was described as turquoise in the book, was pink. Anyone else notice this? Lauren From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 21:00:25 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 21:00:25 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... Message-ID: I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, so now I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's parents looked older than maybe they should've during the whole Priori Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would be the same age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's wand, however, especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in comparison to his twenty- something self when he died. After seeing this movie for the 4th time, I can say that this point still perplexes me. Am I missing something? Lauren From geebsy at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 00:52:26 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:52:26 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, so now > I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's parents > looked older than maybe they should've during the whole Priori > Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would be the same > age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's wand, however, > especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in comparison to his twenty- > something self when he died. > geebsy replies Thanks for bringing this up. I noticed it this as well. I guess the years have been hard on the gentleman who plays James-I assume it is the same couple who played the Potters in "Stone"=, but recasting is okay for a role like this isn't it?. > From rkdas at charter.net Tue Jan 10 01:05:34 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:05:34 -0000 Subject: What do all the colors mean? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > I haven't seen it in any back posts, but I could certainly be wrong... > Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this and/or amybe knows what > it might mean... > > It seems that in the films, Harry wears a lot of blue, Ron wears red > and Hermione wears pink. Not all of the time, like, in GoF, Ron wears > a blue striped baja-type pullover (over a red t-shirt, of course). > And sometimes Harry has like a heather-gray sweatshirt, but usually > they seem to follow this color-coded-ness. Even Hermione's Yule Ball > dress, which was described as turquoise in the book, was pink. > Lauren Jen D here: Lauren, as far as I know, no one has brought up the use of color in GOF. Nicholas wrote an excellent post (9956) on color (and other motifs) in POA but he didn't analyze the colors the kids wore. My best guess is that Mike Newell used certain colors (most noticeable with Hermione if my memory serves me right) with the kids as a composer uses a group of musical notes to denote a character. I can't find any meaning beyond that but am certainly open to someone's interpretation. Would love to hear it, in fact. I have a question now. It's really been bothering me (I am relistening to GOF right now) that in the film, Dumbledore was constantly worried and at the end of his resources. My question is, in terms of the structure of the film, why was it necessary for him to be in that position. We know he was not so agitated or lost in the book and yes, I know this is a different medium. So, my question, why was it necessary in the structure of the film for him to be out of ideas, stumped and feeling his age? My guess is that Newell, in order to heighten the suspense of the adventure/mystery/thriller pulled out all the stops. A Dumbledore quietly bemused does not add to the tension. A Dumbledore at the end of his tether turns yet another screw. And then you must admit that Dumbledore's demeanor must not be critical to the resolution of the story since he doesn't become the tired old man until 2 books later. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks, Jen D From rkdas at charter.net Tue Jan 10 01:12:20 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 01:12:20 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" > wrote: > > > > I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, so > now > > I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's parents > > looked older than maybe they should've during the whole Priori > > Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would be the same > > age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's wand, however, > > especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in comparison to his > twenty- > > something self when he died. > > > geebsy replies > Thanks for bringing this up. I noticed it this as well. I guess the > years have been hard on the gentleman who plays James-I assume it is > the same couple who played the Potters in "Stone"=, but recasting is > okay for a role like this isn't it?. > Hi Guys, This is my night to be the reference librarian that I am! I went into the search engine and found Richard's post on Harry's rents. It's 11735 and he mentions that Harry's mom (the actress, that is) has even had a baby in the intervening time. Check it out! Jen D > From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 09:18:35 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:18:35 -0000 Subject: kids growing up Message-ID: It has been fun watching all the kids in the Harry Potter films grow up on screen. Look at how different Matthew Lewis looks from SS/PS to GoF! That boy got tall and thin! LOL My 12-year-old son is juts beginning to show changes and it's nice to be watching it this time instead of undergoing it. Ah, the advantages of parenting. Seeing his legs start to get noticably hairy has been a bit startling though, as I know he won't be a little boy anymore in just a couple years. And it's been highly amusing noticing how much he now notices girls! He comments often about how disconcerting it is that the girls in 7th grade just don't seem to take him seriously as a boy [read "potential boyfriend"]. Poor guy. At only 4' 9" he's going to be a late bloomer for height growth, just like his dad. I agree with everyone's comments about Martha Stewart's interview of Daniel Radcliffe. She was terrible at it and rather clueless. Loved the bit of Daniel correcting her about what that spell really did. :) Diana L. dianasdolls From geebsy at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 13:39:26 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:39:26 -0000 Subject: kids growing up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Diana" wrote: > > It has been fun watching all the kids in the Harry Potter films grow > up on screen. Look at how different Matthew Lewis looks from SS/PS to > GoF! That boy got tall and thin! LOL > >geebsy replies After watching 3 three HP movies on DVD over the holidays I do agree how much the kids have changed. What I noticed most was that Rupert & Daniel were so very much like their characters, especially in PoA Rupert- tall & gangly while Daniel was shorter & thinner. Actually in PoA Danile is so much like Jo's physical description of Harry it is uncanny. Someone also mention hair in an ealier post and how it didn't seem as if movie Harry's hair was messy enough. I remembered thinking that the hair connection had been rather well done, especially in the earlier movies There were a few scenes in those movies were his hair is literally standing on end and quite ruffled & messy. From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Jan 10 16:26:02 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:26:02 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]The age of Harry's parents Message-ID: <276.2f51e8e.30f53a1a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/10/2006 9:29:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: >>I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, so now I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's parents looked older than maybe they should've during the whole Priori Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would be the same age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's wand, however, especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in comparison to his twenty- something self when he died. After seeing this movie for the 4th time, I can say that this point still perplexes me. Am I missing something? Lauren<< I was reading on the HP Lexicon recently about the Potters, and from what JKR has said in various interviews, they got married right out of Hogwarts (age 18), then had Harry ONE YEAR LATER (age 19), so they must have died when they were 20, right? So why did they cast people who were obviously a decade or two OLDER than that?? I dunno. I guess it's too late to recast now, but honestly, they should look like kids themselves. I'm sure they cast Moaning Myrtle as an adult so her appearance would change as little as possible (she looked awfully old in CoS compared to the kids, but not so bad in GoF, I thought -- SHE hasn't changed much, but of course, the kids have). I imagine that's why they cast the people they did as Harry's parents. Think how much people change in appearance from age 18-30, especially men. Their bodies fill out from the scrawny build many of them have as late teens/early twenties (my hubby was one of these), not getting "fat" just maturing as men. I agree, "James Potter" not only doesn't look that much like Harry (or like Dan, who looks quite different from Harry most of the time -- think about it), but he's aged a bunch. If they're ever going to show him in a clearer shot, they should use Alan Radcliffe as James, since I've heard Dan looks exactly like him except for the cleft in his chin (which he got from his mother). And for the Pensieve scenes where Harry sees the 15 year old James, it would be smartest to have Dan play both parts. Wonder how they're going to handle that??? It would be fun to see Dan play James -- it would be interesting to see what different body language, etc., he uses to portray a different character that's so like Harry but ISN'T Harry! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From elvine78 at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 21:42:56 2006 From: elvine78 at hotmail.com (Elvine Elvine) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:42:56 +0100 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lauren: >I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, >so now I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's >parents looked older than maybe they should've during the whole >Priori Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would >be the same age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's >wand, however, especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in >comparison to his twenty-something self when he died. > >After seeing this movie for the 4th time, I can say that this >point still perplexes me. Am I missing something? As Harry's parents are supposed to be the same age as Snape, who, in the films, can hardly pass for being in his late 30's, they've had to age up Harry's parents as well. Isn't this getting old (pun intended :)) btw? Perhaps Lupin could be younger than 40 in PoA, but there's no way Sirius could. That whole generation is *at least* ten years older than in the books, meaning James and Lily would be 30-35 when Harry was born. And they sure didn't look 23 in PS either, btw. *goes to check on IMBD* Yep, Adrian Rawlins, aka James Potter was 43 in PS, Geraldine Somerville (Lily) was 34. / Elvine From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 17:26:38 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:26:38 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Elvine Elvine" wrote: > > Lauren: > >I think I brought this up earlier, but I never got back to it, > >so now I'm mentioning it again... did anyone else think Harry's > >parents looked older than maybe they should've during the whole > >Priori Incantatem sequence? My expectation was that they would > >be the same age as they were when they were killed by Voldemort's > >wand, however, especially Harry's dad, seemed quite aged in > >comparison to his twenty-something self when he died. > > > >After seeing this movie for the 4th time, I can say that this > >point still perplexes me. Am I missing something? Elvine: > As Harry's parents are supposed to be the same age as Snape, who, > in the films, can hardly pass for being in his late 30's, they've > had to age up Harry's parents as well. SNIP Lauren again: It is my opinion that ghosts would appear the age they were when they died. Isn't that true for Moaning Myrtle & Nearly Headless Nick et al? I just thought it seemed out of place that James Potter seemed like he was gray and balding. I would expect him to be young like the photo Harry has of him next to his bed in PoA. IMOH Does anyone agree with me on this one? From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jan 11 18:09:39 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:09:39 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] the age of Harry's parents Message-ID: <12a.6c9c6823.30f6a3e3@aol.com> Adrian Rawlings was 43 in SS?? Yikes, no wonder he looks so old now! ALan Radcliffe was an actor before he became a literary agent. Maybe it would be a good thing to cast him as James for any scenes where they show him more clearly than as a ghost!! At least he'd look like Dan and not be TOO old looking (hopefully!). Then again, Dan could play both parts easily enough. It will be interesting to see how they deal with these things. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 18:32:04 2006 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:32:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060111183204.98429.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> laurenmcoakley wrote: It is my opinion that ghosts would appear the age they were when they died. Isn't that true for Moaning Myrtle & Nearly Headless Nick et al? I just thought it seemed out of place that James Potter seemed like he was gray and balding. I would expect him to be young like the photo Harry has of him next to his bed in PoA. IMOH Does anyone agree with me on this one? akh adds: I was a little taken aback by JP's appearance in GOF, for the very reason that makeup DID make them look age-appropriate in POA. I can only think that they presumed the "foggy" nature of the scene would obscure that he's losing his hair. Perhaps they didn't take IMAX into account, although you can see a receding hairline on a normal screen, too. We'll just have to wait for the director's commentary on the DVD (yippee! if the reports are true). akh, who tries to be careful when commenting on men's hairlines (they're so sensitive...) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Wed Jan 11 19:27:59 2006 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:27:59 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: <20060111183204.98429.qmail@web36814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH wrote: > > > > laurenmcoakley wrote: It is my opinion that ghosts would appear the age they were when > they died. Isn't that true for Moaning Myrtle & Nearly Headless > Nick et al? I just thought it seemed out of place that James Potter > seemed like he was gray and balding. I would expect him to be young like the photo Harry has of him next to his bed in PoA. IMOH > > Does anyone agree with me on this one? > > akh adds: > > I was a little taken aback by JP's appearance in GOF, for the very reason that makeup DID make them look age-appropriate in POA. I can only think that they presumed the "foggy" nature of the scene would obscure that he's losing his hair. Perhaps they didn't take IMAX into account, although you can see a receding hairline on a normal screen, too. > > We'll just have to wait for the director's commentary on the DVD (yippee! if the reports are true). > > akh, who tries to be careful when commenting on men's hairlines (they're so sensitive...) > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I have always wondered why they chose actors that were around mid-30s late 40s for Harry's parents. I understand why they picked Gary Oldman and David Thewlis so they would look age appropriate and somewhat match Alan Rickman as Snape and their characters are all around the same age. My issue with Harry's parents has always been that they died in their early 20s so they should not look the same age as Snape, Sirius and Remus. Plus I have never really thought Alan matched Daniel so it wasn't like Harry looks just like his dad. Too bad they haven't replaced him. After all they replaced the Patil twins between PoA and GoF - why not him? Oooh and YES I think they should have Daniel play both parts in OotP. That would be so cool. I think he could pull it off quite easily. Theresa From bboyminn at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 19:54:11 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:54:11 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" wrote: > > ...edited.. > > Oooh and YES I think they should have Daniel play both parts > in OotP. That would be so cool. I think he could pull it off > quite easily. > > Theresa > bboyminn: I agree, the studios are idiots if they don't have Dan/Harry play his own father at Harry's age. Lose the scar and maybe add a different nose and some colored contacts, and they are set. Also, it would give Daniel a chance to display some range as an actor. His father may look the same, but he has a very different personality, and creating that 'other' character should provide an interesting challenge for Dan. As far as Harry's adult father, I don't think it made that much difference when the appearance of his parents was so brief and obscured in the earlier movies, but if there is a chance that Harry will see his parent more clearly and at greater length, then I would be a good idea to replace the current actors. I have a theory that Harry will go behind the Veil in the Final Battle and meet his parents there. In that scene since all characters are on the same plane, I think his parents would appear solid and normal rather than ghostly. The more it is discussed, the more I like the idea of Daniel's real father playing his movie father, especially if Mr. Radcliffe (Sr) has had some formal acting experience. I don't think the transition or change in actors would be that glaring since his parents haven't had any really significant role in the films so far. Just a few thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From geebsy at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 21:09:17 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:09:17 -0000 Subject: Harry's Parents Message-ID: In the 1st movie the parents in the Mirror of Erised look age appropriate-30ish. That is consistant since they stand beside an 11 year old Harry. I believe Harry imagines his parents to be the age they would be in his present (had they lived, of course) Of course, since Harry really does not know what his parents look like (yes, yes I know "You look just like your dad, except your eyes, you have your mother's eyes) any kind of casting after that could have been done after the 1st movie, even to changing the picture in his photo album from movie to movie. Roxane From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com Wed Jan 11 23:44:37 2006 From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:44:37 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" wrote: > > > > ...edited.. > > > > Oooh and YES I think they should have Daniel play both parts > > in OotP. That would be so cool. I think he could pull it off > > quite easily. > > > > Theresa > > > > bboyminn: > > I agree, the studios are idiots if they don't have Dan/Harry play his > own father at Harry's age. Lose the scar and maybe add a different > nose and some colored contacts, and they are set. I also whole heartedly agree that Dan should play Harry's father. I think it would be a great opportunity for him. I've heard other posters, from another listing, say that they thought it would be cheesy and it would confuse the non-reading audience. I really don't think the non-reading audience is that slow. Surely the change in personality and being called JAMES (or Harry saying "Dad?") would not be that hard to understand. > The more it is discussed, the more I like the idea of Daniel's real > father playing his movie father, especially if Mr. Radcliffe (Sr) has > had some formal acting experience. I don't think the transition or > change in actors would be that glaring since his parents haven't had > any really significant role in the films so far. I don't know how to link, but I uploaded two pictures of Dan's parents to the lists photo album. One is from the COS premiere and another is Dan and his father in the studio lot (I hope I am allowed to use that). I personally think Dan looks more like his mother! Regina From rkdas at charter.net Thu Jan 12 12:54:39 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:54:39 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: > SNIPPED HERE> > > > bboyminn: > > I agree, the studios are idiots if they don't have Dan/Harry play his > own father at Harry's age. Lose the scar and maybe add a different > nose and some colored contacts, and they are set. > > Also, it would give Daniel a chance to display some range as an actor. > His father may look the same, but he has a very different personality, > and creating that 'other' character should provide an interesting > challenge for Dan. SNIPPED here: Jen here: As much as so many would like to see Dan "do" his screen father, I am willing to bet that's not considered. He's already got plenty on his plate doing all that he does as "Harry." Stunts alone take up a great deal of his time on the set. I'd personally rather see him continue to grow as Harry, be able to play the full range of all that Harry is, without putting any additional pressure on him. And I know he looks like his parents, Harry that is, but I would still rather see a separate actor be his dad, even at 15. Somehow having Dan do both parts adds a "sideshow" aspect to the films. As you say, Steve, just a few thoughts! > SNIPPED AGAIN: > I have a theory that Harry will go behind the Veil in the Final Battle > and meet his parents there. In that scene since all characters are on > the same plane, I think his parents would appear solid and normal > rather than ghostly. Jen also asks: I have not studied the space time continuum of the WW, but as far as JKR has said (and is my understanding), death is final. Is there canon for crossing boundaries? Let me know. > Jen D. > > Just a few thoughts. > Steve/bboyminn > From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jan 12 16:44:40 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:44:40 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The age of Harry's parents Message-ID: <6d.53b314d6.30f7e178@aol.com> Lauren wrote: It is my opinion that ghosts would appear the age they were when they died. Isn't that true for Moaning Myrtle & Nearly Headless Nick et al? I just thought it seemed out of place that James Potter seemed like he was gray and balding. I would expect him to be young like the photo Harry has of him next to his bed in PoA. IMOH<< Well, of course people stop aging when they die! So I don't see why they cast such old people in the parts -- they didn't have to be near the Marauders' CURRENT ages!! James and Lily died many years ago now! Yikes! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Thu Jan 12 16:59:33 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:59:33 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The age of Harry's parents Message-ID: <2be.3355cf5.30f7e4f5@aol.com> In a message dated 1/12/2006 11:41:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: >>I don't know how to link, but I uploaded two pictures of Dan's parents to the lists photo album. One is from the COS premiere and another is Dan and his father in the studio lot (I hope I am allowed to use that). I personally think Dan looks more like his mother! Regina<< OOooo, thanks for the pics! I've never seen one of Dan's father, but went by the word of the Webmistresses of DanRadliffe.co.uk and DanRadcliffe.com, both of whom have met Alan Radcliffe and say Dan looks just like him except for his mum's dimple in the chin. The pic of Alan and Marcia together, Alan has Dan's expression to a "t" and you can really see the resemblance! Darken his hair, and you have James Potter! ;-> Well, Alan's a bit older than I thought he'd be, but still -- he and Dan do look a lot alike (a LOT more than Dan looks like Adrian Rawling)! Thanks for sharing! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 17:36:45 2006 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The age of Harry's parents In-Reply-To: <6d.53b314d6.30f7e178@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060112173645.60241.qmail@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> artsylynda at aol.com wrote: Well, of course people stop aging when they die! So I don't see why they cast such old people in the parts -- they didn't have to be near the Marauders' CURRENT ages!! James and Lily died many years ago now! Yikes! akh commiserates: I agree with the earlier poster, who speculates that they the Potters might be older in the Mirror of Erised, since that's Harry's heat's desire and they would look more like his friends' parents. Where they got themselves into trouble was not "youthening" them for the pictures in Hagrid's photo album. As I've said before, I was encouraged when they were "youthened" in POA, but they've fallen back into their old ways with GOF. We'll just have to see if the Potters as young adults figure again into the scenario. akh, who has no idea if "youthen" is a word, and suspects it isn't... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos ? Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we?ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anmsmom333 at cox.net Thu Jan 12 19:22:48 2006 From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:22:48 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents In-Reply-To: <2be.3355cf5.30f7e4f5@aol.com> Message-ID: > In a message dated 1/12/2006 11:41:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > >>I don't know how to link, but I uploaded two pictures of Dan's > parents to the lists photo album. One is from the COS premiere and > another is Dan and his father in the studio lot (I hope I am allowed > to use that). I personally think Dan looks more like his mother! > > > Regina<< I agree thanks for the photos. I had no idea the gentleman I saw in photos near Dan was his father - I thought it was a crew member for some reason. He does look similar but still unless they "youthened" him up then I still believe that they should have gotten someone who looks similar to Dan but looks to be 20ish would have been better. As for the comment about the mirror in PS/SS - I hadn't thought of it that way but I totally see your point about it being Harry's deepest wish so his parents could look like they would had they lived. My grip is that other than in the mirror why didn't they pick actors who were younger? They have recast other roles throughout the films - Fudge, Tom, the Patil twins, come to mind right away so why not these people? Oh and in my earlier post (#11971) I meant to say Dan doesn't look like Adrian not that he doesn't look like Alan. I had his dad's name on the brain and didn't catch it before it posted. Oh and I thought Dan had mentioned now that his GCSEs were completed he would have more time but the producers would most likely stick to a similar schedule for filming. So would he not have more time for filming and could play young James? Just curious. I would still love to see that. But alas, I am not the producers/director so I don't get to pick. sigh! Theresa From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 20:24:06 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:24:06 -0000 Subject: The age of Harry's parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- "Theresa" wrote: > > ... I still believe that they should have gotten someone who > looks similar to Dan but looks to be 20ish would have been > better. ... My grip is that other than in the mirror why didn't > they pick actors who were younger? bboyminn: Part of my earlier point was that if Harry's parents take on a more dominant and visible role, they probably will be recast. Also, I suspect part of the casting was based on available actors. They chose the best from what they had to work with. While I certainly can't read the minds of the casting directors, I also wonder if they weren't trying to cast actors who created the preception of parents, in a sense, playing on a stereotype of what 'parents' look like. To a little kid, his parents look more like ancient dinosaurs than young active vital people in their 20's. To cast parents in their 20's would have created more the preception of partying college students than good and wise parents. > Theresa concludes: > > .. > Oh and I thought Dan had mentioned now that his GCSEs were > completed he would have more time but the producers would most > likely stick to a similar schedule for filming. So would he not > have more time for filming and could play young James? Just > curious. I would still love to see that. But alas, I am not > the producers/director so I don't get to pick. sigh! > > Theresa > bboyminn: I believe I heard Dan comment in an interview that he was studying for his 'A-Levels'; Advanced test that are necessary if he plans to go to college/university. So, he still has a lot of serious studying to do. I'm also pretty sure that Dan said he would, as much as possible, try to maintain the same filming workload he had when he was studying for his GCSE's. Just passing it along. Steve/bboyminn From geebsy at yahoo.com Thu Jan 12 22:19:08 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:19:08 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie Message-ID: A student told me today that filming for the 5th HP movie would begin in February. (I'm a librarian at a High School) Holy Cow! Is this true and where have I been for all of this? Is this what the discussion of American vs British actors playing parts in movies was about? I guess I've been too caught up in HBP and the GoF movie to do much searching on Muggle Net or The Leaky Cauldron for anything else. What's the word on the casting for Umbridge? Roxane From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 13 01:57:53 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:57:53 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > > A student told me today that filming for the 5th HP movie would begin > in February. (I'm a librarian at a High School) Holy Cow! Is this true > and where have I been for all of this? Is this what the discussion of > American vs British actors playing parts in movies was about? I guess > I've been too caught up in HBP and the GoF movie to do much searching > on Muggle Net or The Leaky Cauldron for anything else. What's the > word on the casting for Umbridge? > > Roxane > The word is Imelda Staunton. She's apparently a well-known British actress and most people are over the moon about her as Umbridge! Jen D From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Jan 13 02:55:00 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:55:00 +0000 Subject: Casting Harry's parents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060112234745.00b05710@plum.cream.org> At 20:24 12/01/2006 , Steve wrote: >Part of my earlier point was that if Harry's parents take on a more >dominant and visible role, they probably will be recast. Also, I >suspect part of the casting was based on available actors. They chose >the best from what they had to work with. There is no reason intrinsic to canon to indicate that they'll take on a more visible role, with one exception. And that's explaining what happened at Godric's Hollow. The details are one of the great unknowns about the unfolding plot and I recall talk from JKR and Columbus from when PS/SS came out, that her writing of the flashback scene for that movie was done very carefully: there is clearly more to be found out. In any case, although they are meaningless to most others, Rawlins, and especially Sommerville, are "names" in the UK. Frankly, re-casting them would be equivalent to re-casting Fudge or even Snape. OK, Rickman's an "international name", so it's not quite to the same degree, but the principle holds. The actors were clearly (to me) cast with a view to keeping the roles for the entire series. >While I certainly can't read the minds of the casting directors, I >also wonder if they weren't trying to cast actors who created the >preception of parents, in a sense, playing on a stereotype of what >'parents' look like. To a little kid, his parents look more like >ancient dinosaurs than young active vital people in their 20's. To >cast parents in their 20's would have created more the preception of >partying college students than good and wise parents. I'm not sure that's valid argument. There is no such thing as a generic "parent". regardless of whatever information is available in the books and JKR's other comments about James's and Lily's age at the time of their demise, it stands to reason that if they were in the same year as Snape, Lupin and Black, they should appear about 15 years younger than the adult actors in PoA. Completely regardless of the fact that Snape in particular is cast about 10 years too old (in appearance if not strictly calendar age - age itself is irrelevant) and *looks* like he's in his late 40s (with Lupin and Black appearing to be mid 40s), it should stand to reason that Lily and James should *appear* to be in their mid 20s. 30-something Shirley Henderson, convincingly playing the apparently teenage (specific age not given in the movies) Moaning Myrtle or 20-something Christian Coulson playing (slightly less convincingly) Tom Riddle who is stated to be 16, were cast for their appearance rather than their age as such. I predicted at the time of CoS's movie release that teenage Riddle would re-appear in the storyline at some point - this is the only reason for casting an adult rather than a teenager; the difference in appearance between, say, 25 and 30 is fairly negligible; the difference between 16 and 21 is *huge* (assuming five years between filming CoS and whatever volume would see Tom's re-appearance - he certainly shows up in HBP and it remains to be seen whether we'll see him in Book Seven). It remains bizarre, however, that the casting people chose established actors for Harry's parents who are in Snape & Co's "present" age-bracket, rather than that of a dozen years ago or so. Sommerville is instantly recognisable; Rawlins less so, as he's wearing a wig (and, it seems to me, contacts, because his eyes are naturally very, very blue), so I can only assume that the casting people wanted memorable actors - but why not get (recognisable, if necessary) actors who really *are* in their twenties rather than actors 20 years older who need to be made to look 20 years younger than they are? I can't believe that 20-somethings can't appear "parent-like" enough. Indeed, Sommerville and Rawlins do get away with looking like they've not hit 30 yet in PS/SS and even CoS, but in GoF, apart from the "ghostly" SFX, they don't come anywhere close. Completely by coincidence (of such coincidences is life made...), as I started writing this message, I looked up to the TV at the other end of the room to see none other than Adrian Rawlins staring out of the screen. I've made a few grabs so you can see what he actually looks like nowadays. I've uploaded them to the album to which the photos of Dan's parents were added yesterday: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hpfgu-movie/lst?&.dir=/Dan%27s+parents Details about what he was in (including a small photo) are here: http://www.channel4.com/more4/documentaries/doc-feature.jsp?id=21 Back to the point, though: I suspect that the most significant reason for casting those particular people to play James and Lily is because, as they are really recurring cameos (in the case of CoS and PoA, nothing more than photographs!), actors would be needed whose careers were unlikely to go stratospheric any time soon, and thus become unavailable, not to mention too expensive! Geraldine Sommerville is all but retired from acting (little-known fact about her: she has British Royal blood in her veins, and indeed lives in a castle on the Isle of Man: her full name is triple-barrelled and titled, as is her husband's); Adrian Rawlins has always wanted a low profile and almost all his work has been on British TV or in small independent films (my own liking for the latter is one of the reasons he's immediately recognisable to me). The casting people have thus got the perfect combination of talented people who are also cheap and available for short spurts of work for years ahead. >I believe I heard Dan comment in an interview that he was studying for >his 'A-Levels'; Advanced test that are necessary if he plans to go to >college/university. So, he still has a lot of serious studying to do. >I'm also pretty sure that Dan said he would, as much as possible, try >to maintain the same filming workload he had when he was studying for >his GCSE's. Technically (i.e. legally), A Level students are allowed to hold part-time jobs because, by the very nature of A Levels (they are, like NEWTs in the books, taken subject-by-subject in subjects relevant to the student's future study plans), a full curriculum is not followed and thus a fairly typical A Level student spends probably no more than about 8 study periods (of 40) in school each week (plus home study, of course). We have been given no indication of which A Levels Dan intends to sit (or what university studies he might wish to pursue), but it's a safe bet that like most Brits, he'll be taking English and Maths (basic pre-requisite for most university courses), plus one or two subjects, perhaps drama, art, or music (given his interests and potential career choices). Furthermore, the regulations regarding working hours (which are distinct from the separation of school and work) no longer apply, because he's over 16. In practice, these two factors mean that he could do significant amounts of filming without worrying about schoolwork time, which could be organised to require no more than two full days a week. He could, in practice, be available before the cameras for 3 full 8-hour days a week (plus the odd evening) without interfering with his studies, the law of the land, or acting union regulations. Of course, he and his parents are within their rights to negotiate whatever conditions the production team will allow them to get away with, such as half-day filming four days a week, or whatever. The main practical problem, however, which all the directors to date have complained about, in that the child actors can only before available for an hour at a time, then a 15 minute break, and for only 4 hours a day, is in the past, and so the schedule for OotP should be able to be a lot tighter than it has been on the movies to date. -- Richard, 600 posts behind and counting... From hp at plum.cream.org Fri Jan 13 03:11:30 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:11:30 +0000 Subject: GoF DVD Extras In-Reply-To: <96.35481739.30f09562@aol.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> At 03:54 07/01/2006 , Lynda wrote: >I noticed on Leaky that some British group named scenes that would be >included in the DVD -- will the Brits get different DVDs than >us??? There were a lot more and different scenes listed than I'd read >were to be included in our >DVD. If they're going to have a different version, I want one too!!! argh. "Some British Group"? The BBFC, you mean. The British Board of Film Classification is responsible, as the name indicates, for the "certification" of all film and video material which is shown in public cinemas or sold for home distribution. In all practical respects, they provide the equivalent of the US ratings for movies (although over here it extends to home formats, not just cinema distribution). In the case of DVDs and videos, they need to view and certify all the extras which, by definition, were not included in the original cinema release. In fact, there have been instances when DVD/Video ratings for movies have differed from those in cinemas for all kinds of reasons. Therefore, because the BBFC must get first viewing of anything that's going to go on public sale in the UK, extras mentioned on their web site are a detailed list of what's going in the box. There is no reason whatsoever to assume that the list is complete at present (in fact, I'm surprised they've already published certification details for *any* extras, as they don't usually get them until about a month before DVD releases), and it's particularly strange to assume on this basis that the contents of the UK DVD will differ in any way from those in the USA or anywhere else. Of course, there have been frequent examples where the extras on Region 1 DVDs (North America) have differed from Region 2 (Europe & Japan) but this has always been because of the distributors rather than the censors (off the top of my head, I can think of a few examples where the BBFC have made cuts to films released on DVD in the UK, but this is extremely rare). All the HP DVDs to date have been identical in all respects, and there is no reason to suspect that GoF will have different extras on Region 1 and Region 2. I hope that makes sense. -- Richard, who was horrified to read that there will be a "Full Screen" version available in the USA - this is SCANDALOUS and I urge ALL decent people to boycott any such idea. DO NOT BUY! From marilynpeake at cs.com Fri Jan 13 04:05:46 2006 From: marilynpeake at cs.com (Marilyn Peake) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:05:46 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, Roxane and Jen, Here's a link to Wikipedia's report as to confirmed and unconfirmed actors for the 5th Harry Potter movie - http://tinyurl.com/bhlzg Imelda Staunton is listed as confirmed to play Umbridge. Cheers, Marilyn http://www.marilynpeake.com January "New Year" Issue of "The Golden Goblet" Newsletter ~ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marilynpeake --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: >> A student told me today that filming for the 5th HP movie would > begin in February. > >> What's the word on the casting for Umbridge? > >>Roxane > > The word is Imelda Staunton. She's apparently a well-known British > actress and most people are over the moon about her as Umbridge! > Jen D > From lowndes at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 13 06:40:07 2006 From: lowndes at bigpond.net.au (Marg McKay-Lowndes) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:40:07 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c6180c$31f5bbe0$0100000a@lan> MML here: Just idle speculation, but I think it would be great to see Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman playing Bellatrix and Narcissa. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 13:38:55 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:38:55 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: <000001c6180c$31f5bbe0$0100000a@lan> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marg McKay-Lowndes" wrote: > > > MML here: > Just idle speculation, but I think it would be great to see Cate Blanchett > and Nicole Kidman playing Bellatrix and Narcissa. geebsy here: I can really see someone like Cate Blanchette as Narcissa, but don't really cotton to Nicole Kidman in either role. How about Kate Winslet instead? And while I have you here all snuggly on the imaginary casting couch, I was thinking someome like Derek Jacoby or Geoffrey Rush as Slughorn. I know some people have already put Bob Hoskins in the role (and he would be good too) but I really like Geoffrey... and we know he can play refined and smarmy at the same time (Think Tailor of Panama) Roxane, who can't believe she's casting HBP > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From PenapartElf at aol.com Fri Jan 13 15:01:46 2006 From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:01:46 EST Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU! Message-ID: <128.6bb84a3d.30f91ada@aol.com> Greetings and Salutations! This is the First of the GoF Soundtrack Giveaways at HPfGU. As part of Warner Sunset Records' promotion of the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack in the US, CDs will be given away for free here at HPfGU-Movie. You are hereby invited to enter the contests for these soundtracks! 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If the sponsors determine in their sole discretion that the integrity or fairness of this contest has been corrupted in any manner, the sponsors reserve the right to terminate the contest and to select a winner from among entries legitimately received prior to termination. No private correspondence regarding entries will be entered into with entrants; any questions about entries can be sent to HPforGrownups-owner @yahoogroups.com (minus that extra space). From chintz22 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 16:08:54 2006 From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:08:54 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Glad to see David Thewlis is confirmed as returning as Lupin! He's one of my favorite actors. Would have been fun to have Anna Friel as Tonks but it looks like it is not to be. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" wrote: > > Hi, Roxane and Jen, > > Here's a link to Wikipedia's report as to confirmed and unconfirmed > actors for the 5th Harry Potter movie - > http://tinyurl.com/bhlzg > Imelda Staunton is listed as confirmed to play Umbridge. > > Cheers, > Marilyn > http://www.marilynpeake.com > > January "New Year" Issue of "The Golden Goblet" Newsletter ~ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marilynpeake > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" > wrote: > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > >> A student told me today that filming for the 5th HP movie would > > begin in February. > > > >> What's the word on the casting for Umbridge? > > > >>Roxane > > > > The word is Imelda Staunton. She's apparently a well-known British > > actress and most people are over the moon about her as Umbridge! > > Jen D > > > From geebsy at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 22:20:01 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:20:01 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie/umbridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > The word is Imelda Staunton. She's apparently a well-known British > actress and most people are over the moon about her as Umbridge! > Jen D >geebsy replies: I saw her in Vera Drake, then at the Academy Awards. I couldn't believe it was the same person. With the "ahem, ahems, fussy kitten plates and that horrible bow...I think she will be 'bloody brilliant" From lowndes at bigpond.net.au Fri Jan 13 23:50:04 2006 From: lowndes at bigpond.net.au (Marg McKay-Lowndes) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:50:04 +1000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c6189c$13b60aa0$0100000a@lan> Roxanne wrote: > And while I have you here all snuggly on the imaginary casting couch, I was thinking someome like Derek Jacoby or Geoffrey Rush as Slughorn. [MML] here: Yes, I'd love to see Geoffrey Rush as Slughorn. The man is phenomenol: he can do anything (did you see him as Peter Sellers??) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 02:12:24 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:12:24 -0000 Subject: Just a little tidbit Message-ID: Back in posting 11728 Richard said he saw something interesting when Nagini is moving through the graveyard at the beginning of the movie. I don't think he ever posted what he saw, but since I will now have to wait until April 11 (1 day after my birthday--I so know what my pressie will be)to find out what was there---can someome spill the beans for me? I can't believe I want to know this little piece of trivia; but if you are obsessed with Harry Potter every little bit helps. Roxane From rkdas at charter.net Sat Jan 14 02:17:09 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 02:17:09 -0000 Subject: Just a little tidbit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > > Back in posting 11728 Richard said he saw something interesting when > Nagini is moving through the graveyard at the beginning of the movie. > I don't think he ever posted what he saw, but since I will now have to > wait until April 11 (1 day after my birthday--I so know what my > pressie will be)to find out what was there---can someome spill the > beans for me? I can't believe I want to know this little piece of > trivia; but if you are obsessed with Harry Potter every little bit > helps. > > Roxane > Roxane, This isn't much help but Nagini glides by a tombstone with supposedly a readable name on it. I have seen GOF in IMAX twice and have not been able to catch the name. Hopefully Richard will favor you with a reply. He seems to have eagle eyes! Jen D From luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 14 04:14:49 2006 From: luckdragon64 at yahoo.ca (Bee Chase) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:14:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just a little tidbit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060114041449.23236.qmail@web53305.mail.yahoo.com> geebsy wrote: Back in posting 11728 Richard said he saw something interesting when Nagini is moving through the graveyard at the beginning of the movie. I don't think he ever posted what he saw, but since I will now have to wait until April 11 (1 day after my birthday--I so know what my pressie will be)to find out what was there---can someome spill the beans for me? I can't believe I want to know this little piece of trivia; but if you are obsessed with Harry Potter every little bit helps. Luckdragon: Nagini slithers up a slight incline and glides between two nearly identical looking gravestones which are side by side directly in front of the Riddle monument. You can vaguely see the outline of the letters on the stone to the left(at least I could not make out what it says). The Riddle monument lists Tom Riddle(1905-1943), Mary Riddle(1883-1943), and Thomas Riddle(1880-1943). Strangely during the LV rebirth scene I did not see these gravestones in front of the monument as it showed Peter walk straight through an empty space where they should have been. --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From chintz22 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 16:17:03 2006 From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 16:17:03 -0000 Subject: IMAX Message-ID: Hi Everyone, This week has been so busy I haven't had a chance to thank you all again for your IMAX advice and tell you how it all went. I had a non-Potterite friend go with me since the theater was way out in the suburbs at a furniture store (anyone from MA know Jordan's?) but she was a good sport and only had a few questions. As someone else posted, my showing was well attended, sold out actually, which surprised me since the movie has been out since Nov. I also enjoyed the fact that 95% of the audience was adults, there were very few children. We got good seats in the last row towards the middle thanks to your advice. This is the third time I've seen the movie and with OOP I may just wait to see it on IMAX first--really spectacular! The dragon scene was particularly outstanding with the seat shuddering effect adding to the drama. The print was so clear I felt like I could have fallen into it. I may have converted my friend as well! She was confused by the Polyjuice potion references (until the end) and by why Neville was so upset by the class (again, until later in the movie when she got it) but that was all. The funniest moment with her was the scene when they are going to the World Cup and Lucius Malfoy shows up. She gripped my arm and sighed "Wow, who is he?!" Instant crush. There's so much for me to love about this film, but I especially love Neville. Matthew Lewis did such a nice job with the part-- there were audible sighs in the theater when he shows up to the Ball with Ginny. Dan was infinitely better in this one too. I remember thinking in POA that the only time I really believed his emotion was in the scene after he blows up Marge when he slams the door to his room and kicks the desk. And, forgive me for not remembering who posted this, but thank you whoever mentioned that in the scene with Lupin on the bridge Thewlis seems to be waiting for (but not getting) some kind of reaction from Dan before he says the line about knowing Lilly. That's why that scene has never quite worked for me but I could never put my finger on it. But I thought Dan was marvelous in GOF, and IMAX helped me to see some of his expressions I missed previously. He's just fantastic in the scene when he returns with Cedric's body, totally believable in a very difficult scene. Loads of fun, can't wait for the DVD! Best, Sarah From geebsy at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 01:30:35 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:30:35 -0000 Subject: For your consideration:Re-casting Message-ID: I humbly submit if the kids do get to old to play their roles, maybe EMNEM could be signed on to play Draco Malfoy. After all he physically fits the character--right down to the cold grey eyes, pale skin and white blond hair. The tatoos might be interesting, but in keeping with the Dark Mark. Besides, Draco is such a misanthropic shit (can I say that here?, if not then prat) that it would almost be type-casting. Roxane From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Sun Jan 15 02:53:31 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 21:53:31 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] For your consideration:Re-casting Message-ID: <8a.359d93d4.30fb132b@aol.com> In a message dated 1/14/06 8:31:31 PM, geebsy at yahoo.com writes: > I humbly submit if the kids do get to old to play their roles, maybe > EMNEM could be signed on to play Draco Malfoy. > I could completely see that Roxanne :-) As long as Jason Issacs stays there as Malfoy Sr. ( How can someone be so gorgeous, yet so nasty?? lol) I truly hope the children ( it hardly seems a fitting term for them anything..lol ) are able to complete the films. I know it was rumored that CoS or was it GoF would be it. I was so relieved to see they were on board for OoTP :-) Actors range in their on screen age a lot of times so hopefully it will all work out. Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 04:57:09 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 04:57:09 -0000 Subject: New Member Message-ID: Hello all. Just wanted to introduce myself. I've only been a fan of Harry and his world for a relatively short time compared to many. I was introduced to it by my bride who is a huge Harry Potter fan. She has read all the books and seen all the films. I look forward to reading your posts. Phoenix_kevin From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 05:01:56 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 05:01:56 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am truly looking forward to seeing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. It was such a long book, hopefully they will do as fine a job as they did with Goblet of Fire. From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Sun Jan 15 06:31:24 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:31:24 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] New Member Message-ID: In a message dated 1/15/06 12:37:28 AM, phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com writes: > Hello all. Just wanted to introduce myself. I've only been a fan of > Harry and his world for a relatively short time compared to many. I > was introduced to it by my bride who is a huge Harry Potter fan. She > has read all the books and seen all the films. I look forward to > reading your posts. > > Phoenix_kevin > > > Hi Kevin, I am fairly new to the group myself. I am a big fan of the movies. I recently bought all, but the last book from ebay. My husband got me the last one as a Christmas gift. I read the first five in a week. I could not put them down. The Order of the Phoenix ,for me, was especially enthralling. Now I am on The Half Blood Prince....I debating whether I should wait, but couldn't.....lol :-) I just recently got my husband hooked. He loves them as much as I do :-) Welcome to you! Amy aka GryffindorAuburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 14:09:42 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:09:42 -0000 Subject: New Member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Amy, Nice to meet you. I just had the chance to listen to Order of the Phoenix on CD. It is a marvelous book and Jim Dale - who does the reading is amazing as well. I read Half Blood Prince this past fall and there are some surprises in it both good and bad. Still a great read. Kevin aka PhoenixKevin --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GryffindorAuburn at a... wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/15/06 12:37:28 AM, phoenix_kevin at y... writes: > > > > Hello all. Just wanted to introduce myself. I've only been a fan of > > Harry and his world for a relatively short time compared to many. I > > was introduced to it by my bride who is a huge Harry Potter fan. She > > has read all the books and seen all the films. I look forward to > > reading your posts. > > > > Phoenix_kevin > > > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > I am fairly new to the group myself. I am a big fan of the movies. I > recently bought all, but the last book from ebay. My husband got me the last one as > a Christmas gift. I read the first five in a week. I could not put them down. > The Order of the Phoenix ,for me, was especially enthralling. Now I am on > The Half Blood Prince....I debating whether I should wait, but couldn't.....lol > :-) I just recently got my husband hooked. He loves them as much as I do :-) > Welcome to you! > > Amy aka GryffindorAuburn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From sopraniste at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 14:18:09 2006 From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 06:18:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: IMAX In-Reply-To: <1137333651.2783.40328.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20060115141809.75709.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > We got good seats in the last row > towards the middle thanks to your advice. When I saw it on Imax, I confess we arrived a little late and ended up with a choice: Either we could sit in the second row right at the END of the row, or we could sit in the FRONT row dead center. Clearly, we picked front row, because then we were at least craning equally in both directions. It made the WORLD move in some shots, though! > He's just fantastic in the scene when he returns > with Cedric's body, totally believable in > a very difficult scene. This has probably been gone over again and again, but I just want to say: that scene just KILLED me! I was SOBBING! I think it's the harsh juxtaposition of the cheering and the music, and the sick knowledge that something's TERRIBLY _WRONG_!!! I appologise for all of the exclamation points. I get excited. Flop Maria Holub http://www.geocities.com/sopraniste/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------ The Evil Overlord's Guidebook #12 - One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation. ------------------------------------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From geebsy at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 15:07:10 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:07:10 -0000 Subject: Casting spells Message-ID: Casting spells in the movie vs books I have been wondering this for a while. Do you think there is a difference between how JK has people cast (or throw) spells than the different directors do. I am unable to get at my books as they are packed up because of renovations, but when I recently watch the DVDs I wondered if the difference was something other than mere theatricality. In the movies people hold their wands differently than I amagined. In the movies many adults hold them like a conductor holds his batton, in the fingertips. The students hold them like drum sticks (not the turkey kind). I tried this with a drum stick myself and realized you get much more subltle motions when you hold it by the finger-tips and larger motions the other way. We know wand motion is important to the spell or charm (think swish and flick). This leads me to OoTP movie. There is more wand magic going on in this book/movie than the previous ones, especially the DA and Battle in the Ministry. Colour plays a very important part in the spells as well. That sickly green is reserved for the Unforgivables, and others have been given colours that have a unique signature. Do the colours JK has given them in the books coincide with the movies? I keep thinking that might make it easier to identify some of the spells being thrown around in the MoM. Theres lots more floating in my mind, but I simply must go get my morning coffee. (mmmmmmmmm coffee) Roxane From khajermei at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 15:29:29 2006 From: khajermei at yahoo.com (khajermei) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:29:29 -0000 Subject: IMAX and the Return In-Reply-To: <20060115141809.75709.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Maria Holub SNIPPED: > This has probably been gone over again and again, but > I just want to say: that scene just KILLED me! I was > SOBBING! I think it's the harsh juxtaposition of the > cheering and the music, and the sick knowledge that > something's TERRIBLY _WRONG_!!! > > I appologise for all of the exclamation points. I get > excited. > > Flop Hi Flop! Glad you were able to enjoy Harry at point blank range! I totally agree with you about the return scene. I remember the first time I saw it, before I realized it, tears were streaming down my face! I was very taken by the way in which Mike Newell allowed the scene to play out. You and I know that this terrible thing has happened but the cheering raucous crowd is still in high spirits with the band playing to cover up Harry's sobs. Fleur (a highly underrated part of this film) is the first to realize what has happened. Then the slow dawning on everyone's faces, the camera panning from face to confused and then horrified face and all along Harry's sobs penetrating the noise. We went on about Dan's "crying scene" in POA (as to whether you found it beleivable or not) and then someone very intelligently pointed out that there were no tears at this point in the "Goblet" book. Still, this scene rings true. I think it's a good show for Dan that his Harry's reaction to all he'd seen, all that had happened, all that he'd gone through came off as so real, so natural and believable that many of us forgot that there had been no tears on the return. There weren't any tears at all, in fact. Hermione's capture of Rita (bug) Skeeter took Harry's thoughts away from the misery that had threatened to overwhelm him in the book, during Molly's most famous hug. But Dan brought something to Harry that was totally in character. Glad to hear you loved it. You weren't alone! Jen D. > > Maria Holub > http://www.geocities.com/sopraniste/index.html > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The Evil Overlord's Guidebook > > #12 - One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. > Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected > before implementation. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 16:30:21 2006 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 08:30:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060115163021.66414.qmail@web37005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am truly looking forward to seeing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. It was such a long book, hopefully they will do as fine a job as they did with Goblet of Fire. Crystal: I hope so to. I just hope it won't be like the Prisoner of Azkban because in my opinion they changed to much in that movie and it just wasn't as good as all the others, but thats just my opinion. They did do a good job on the Goblet of Fire and I hope they don't change to much in OoTP. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos ? Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we?ll bind it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Sun Jan 15 17:58:26 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:58:26 +0000 Subject: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> References: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Hello everyone; hope you all enjoyed good holidays. I have been playing catch-up with posts and enjoying them. One of my Christmas presents was the soundtrack to GoF, which I have been listening to in the car recently. I have long admired Patrick Doyle's work; he does triumphant (vide 'Non Nobis, Domine' from Branagh's Henry V) and wistful ('My Father's Favourite' from Sense and Sensibility) very well, and I think that some of his work for GoF was excellent. I tend to be a bit ambivalent about movie soundtracks in general; mostly there are a few good tunes linked together with Dramatic! Loud! Chords! which work fine when heard as a backdrop to the action of the film, but not so well when listened to without the visual references. Having said that, I think that the two waltzes on the GoF soundtrack, particularly 'Neville's Waltz', which is played, as I recall, in its entirety, are charming. I also liked the poignant 'Harry in Winter' which is reprised in the pieces at the end of the movie. How to compare with Williams' work on PoA? I confess that I greatly enjoyed an unusually large number of tracks on that one. I first heard 'Aunt Marge's Waltz' on the radio; title unannounced, so I was trying to figure out whose it was as it was playing. I thought 'It's John Williams...no, Shostakovich...Williams....Shostakovich....definitely Williams'. 'Double Double', a reworking of 'Hedwig's Theme', was really clever; 'Buckbeak's Flight' and 'Window to the Past' both stirring...I am a sucker for swelling strings...but my word, Williams does like his crescendoes, doesn't he? He barely seems able to write anything which doesn't contain at least one loud climax. If you compare 'Fawkes' theme' from CoS to Doyle's 'Neville's Waltz'; both start off as lovely, lyrical, swaying music; but whereas Doyle maintains this throughout, Williams has to introduce a crashing middle riff which detracts from everything else. One thing which stood out for me on the PoA CD, however was that, unusually for the HP soundtracks, it included the music which plays over the end credits, which effectively revists all of the major themes of the movie, and in some cases ('Window to the Past' frex) plays the music in its entirety, not just the snippet heard in the film. By and large I like Williams' music; he did good work for Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan etc, and 'Hedwig's Theme' is high on my list of best-ever movie music. That's another one that I first heard on the radio, title unannounced, before PS/SS was released, at a time when I had no intention of seeing the movie, since it couldn't possibly live up to my vision of the books. When I heard 'Hedwig's Theme', I knew it was John Williams's and worked out that it must be the music to the new Harry Potter film; that's how well it portrayed the magic, melancholy, drama and adventure of the story. IMHO, of course. Cheers, Nicholas From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com Mon Jan 16 00:47:19 2006 From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:47:19 EST Subject: For your consideration:Re-casting Message-ID: <1de.4ac4a4da.30fc4717@aol.com> Roxane: I humbly submit if the kids do get to old to play their roles, maybe EMNEM could be signed on to play Draco Malfoy. Somehow.....seeing Draco say "Wassup Homie-G?" just doesn't seem to quite pan up to me. I'm thinking those are two worlds that should never collide. LOL Jade Proud member of Gryffindor House Harry's To-Do List: 1. Get Up 2. Survive 3. Go Back To Bed From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 05:34:05 2006 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:34:05 -0000 Subject: For your consideration:Re-casting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > > I humbly submit if the kids do get to old to play their roles, maybe > EMNEM could be signed on to play Draco Malfoy. After all he > physically fits the character--right down to the cold grey eyes, pale > skin and white blond hair. The tatoos might be interesting, but in > keeping with the Dark Mark. Besides, Draco is such a misanthropic > shit (can I say that here?, if not then prat) that it would almost be > type-casting. > > Roxane > I don't get it -- he's already older than Tom Felton. Anyway it's very, very unlikely that there will be a recasting of the TrTrio; actors play younger than their actual age all the time. Lizzie From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Jan 16 13:37:36 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:37:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The age of Harry's parents In-Reply-To: <2be.3355cf5.30f7e4f5@aol.com> Message-ID: > > Regina<< > Well, Alan's a bit older than I > thought he'd be, but still -- he and Dan do look a lot alike (a LOT more than > Dan > looks like Adrian Rawling)! Thanks for sharing! Who is Adrian Rawling??? Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Jan 16 13:55:41 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:55:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Umbridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > The word is Imelda Staunton. She's apparently a well-known British > actress and most people are over the moon about her as Umbridge! > Jen D > > Interesting tidbit: > I came across this definition and wondered if JKR had this in mind when she > named the character of Umbridge? She often gives her characters names that > represent their personas (i.e. Sirius, Lupin, Snape, Malfoy)... > Valerie > > umbrage \UM-brij\ noun 1 : shade, shadow 2 : shady branches : foliage 3 a : an indistinct indication : vague suggestion : hint b : a reason for doubt : suspicion *4 : a feeling of pique or resentment at some often fancied slight or insult Example sentence: "He's not willing to pay for the A-list players we need to win a championship," said one player of the team's owner, who, not surprisingly, took umbrage at the statement. Did you know? > "Deare amber lockes gave umbrage to her face." This line from a poem by > William Drummond, published in 1616, uses "umbrage" in its original sense of > "shade, shadow," a meaning shared by its Latin source, "umbra." ("Umbella," > the diminutive form of "umbra," means "a sunshade or parasol" in Latin and is > an ancestor of our word "umbrella.") Beginning in the early 17th century, > "umbrage" was also used to mean "a shadowy suggestion or semblance of > something," as when Shakespeare, in _Hamlet_, wrote, "His semblable is his > mirror, and who else would trace him, his umbrage, nothing more." In the same > century, "umbrage" took on the pejorative senses "a shadow of suspicion cast > on someone" and "displeasure, offense"; the latter is commonly used today in > the phrases "give umbrage" or "take umbrage." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sopraniste at yahoo.com Mon Jan 16 17:04:48 2006 From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:04:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: <1137421329.542.74335.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <20060116170448.69727.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On the subject of the soundtrack, I just want to say, I love Patrick Doyle (you forgot about the fantastically layered reprise of "Sigh no More" at the end of Much Ado about Nothing!) but there were a couple of places where I really missed the themes that John Williams had already established with specific significances. The most notable example was the Priori Incantatem scene, when the wands linked and the book says that Harry recognised the sound of Phoenix Song. Considering what was already going on in the score, it could have SO EASILY morphed into the Fawkes the Phoenix Theme (one of my personal favourites from Chamber) with the crashing brass and percussion! I kept WAITING for it, and it never happened! Did this bother anyone else? Flop __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jheiler at sympatico.ca Mon Jan 16 19:48:52 2006 From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:48:52 -0000 Subject: Fun observation and a question Message-ID: Hey, all! I went to see GOF on IMAX (again!) this weekend, and came back with a rather fun observation and a question 1) did anyone else notice that Harry appears to be the only student at Hogwarts who wears glasses? the only other glass wearing wizards are the adults, and Moaning Myrtle... I didn't see a single other student wearing glasses in all the group/classroom/Great Hall sequences! 2) Why would Rita Skeeter tell Harry he should feel at home in a broom closet? she doesn't know about his childhood at the Dursleys... or is it perhaps because he plays Quidditch? Nicky From rkdas at charter.net Tue Jan 17 14:07:09 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:07:09 -0000 Subject: Fun observation and a question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" wrote: > > Hey, all! > I went to see GOF on IMAX (again!) this weekend, and came back with a > rather fun observation and a question > 1) did anyone else notice that Harry appears to be the only student at > Hogwarts who wears glasses? the only other glass wearing wizards are > the adults, and Moaning Myrtle... I didn't see a single other student > wearing glasses in all the group/classroom/Great Hall sequences! > 2) Why would Rita Skeeter tell Harry he should feel at home in a broom > closet? she doesn't know about his childhood at the Dursleys... or is > it perhaps because he plays Quidditch? > Nicky Hi Nicky, I seem to remember that many people saw Rita's whole broom closet scene as pretty creepy altogether. The broom closet remark does seem to be a reference to his former digs at the Dursleys' home. Now how she'd know about that is a mystery and I think it is some kind of conceit on the part of the director to let a character do that. I didn't notice that no one else had glasses. I have noticed that Harry's glasses (the style) have changed. His first little glasses were wire and his current ones look more substantial. I have also noticed that his scar seems to move about from film to film. Esp. in POA, it seemed to migrate. Just a little bit of very trivial info... Jen D From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 15:19:36 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:19:36 -0000 Subject: New Member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "phoenix_kevin" wrote: > > Hello all. Just wanted to introduce myself. I've only been a fan of > Harry and his world for a relatively short time compared to many. I > was introduced to it by my bride who is a huge Harry Potter fan. She > has read all the books and seen all the films. I look forward to > reading your posts. > > Phoenix_kevin > and now Lauren: Hi Phoenix_kevin! Welcome to the group! I myself am fairly new, and like you, compared to many, have been a fan of Harry Potter for relatively a short time as well. But there is such a great community here that there are many seasoned "old-timers" that help us "newbies" figure out all the subtle complexities that fill this magical world of Harry's. Hope to "chat" with you more in the future! Lauren From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Jan 18 04:00:08 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:00:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: <20060116170448.69727.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060116170448.69727.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > The most notable example was the Priori Incantatem > scene, when the wands linked and the book says that > Harry recognised the sound of Phoenix Song. > Considering what was already going on in the score, it > could have SO EASILY morphed into the Fawkes the > Phoenix Theme (one of my personal favourites from > Chamber) with the crashing brass and percussion! I > kept WAITING for it, and it never happened! Did this > bother anyone else? > > Flop > Yes, in the very beginning when the WB logo shows up...WHERE WAS THE HARRY POTTER THEME MUSIC?!?! I always get thrills of anticipation at this moment. A new HP film to enjoy! Also during the closing credits. Some of the GOF music was very dark and foreboding, which was quite appropriate, but still did not grab me as much as Williams. I'm glad he's coming back! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Jan 18 04:50:35 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:50:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] IMAX is awesome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0bf55e40e2b6ff077aefab0af2b3dcfd@verizon.net> OK...I just saw GOF on IMAX Monday night. Wow!!! How can I ever see an HP movie on a regular screen again?!! I had been trying for weeks to get tickets online ($12; not bad). It only plays on weekends at 5:30 and was always sold out. I believe it's playing till the end of January. The really cool thing was that the Washington, DC IMAX, which is at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum, had a display of Dan's actual dragon task costume, his Firebolt, Krum's QWC red Quidditch outfit; a program for the QWC, and a Daily Prophet. On loan from the WB. Very, very cool!! It took me about 15 minutes to get used to the immense screen. I was feeling a bit nauseous and dizzy. There was so much to look at, especially in the QWC scenes! The massive perspective of all the tents and activity; then the camera pans down into the QWC stadium. So impressive. And talk about feeling dizzy; can you imagine sitting up where the Weasley's were?! I absolutely loved the close-ups. When Rupert glares at Harry when his name comes out of the cup, his eyes are intensely green with envy; almost as though digitally enhanced. And speaking of eyes, Dan's are gorgeous...mid blue with darker blue rim. Mercy me! My favorite scene which gives me the chills even after my 4th viewing is when Moody/Crouch Jr. says "Only one has been known to have survived it; and he's right here in this room". He is towering somewhat menacingly over Harry (foreshadowing?). Harry looks up at him with those "Dan eyes". I couldn't quite read his expression. Is he thinking "Oh great; thanks for pointing that out! I just want to be a normal kid thank-you very much" or is he frightened by the mere close presence of kooky ole Moody? And Voldemort's translucent skin...ewwww; creepy! (apparently his nose WAS digitally removed. The slits looked real!) I noted soooo many more details on this huge screen such as Ron's Chudley Cannon poster in his study-cubby in his dorm. And all the fancy detail work on Dumbledore's garb. Surprisingly my two 8 year olds were not traumatized by the movie. It was their 2nd viewing, but I thought that due to the massive screen they'd be frightened of the dragon scene. They said the only scene that really scared them was the maze scene. (not Voldie, just the crazy hydraulic maze. That WAS creepy when it swallowed up Fleur and was clawing at Cedric. And now...the wait for the DVD release! And screen caps to start coming in once OotP starts filming in February. Valerie From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Jan 18 04:09:14 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:09:14 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Fun observation and a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f13c9ee650fd420cb17cdfdc5a392fc@verizon.net> On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:48 PM, jeanico2000 wrote: > > > 2) Why would Rita Skeeter tell Harry he should feel at home in a broom > closet? she doesn't know about his childhood at the Dursleys... or is > it perhaps because he plays Quidditch? > Nicky You know Rita...she is the ultimate snoop. Always lurking around to get the juicy dirt. I wouldn't be surprised if she dug into Harry's past and found out he lived his childhood in a closet (probably from Draco!). It would be the sort of thing she'd love to dig up. That is the way I took it anyway...it was an evil, insensitive jab, much like most of her comments to him. What a witch! Too bad they didn't leave the Hermione catching her in a jar part. That would've been a riot! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jan 18 15:50:35 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:50:35 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] fun observation and a question Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2006 9:03:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: Hey, all! I went to see GOF on IMAX (again!) this weekend, and came back with a rather fun observation and a question 1) did anyone else notice that Harry appears to be the only student at Hogwarts who wears glasses? the only other glass wearing wizards are the adults, and Moaning Myrtle... I didn't see a single other student wearing glasses in all the group/classroom/Great Hall sequences! 2) Why would Rita Skeeter tell Harry he should feel at home in a broom closet? she doesn't know about his childhood at the Dursleys... or is it perhaps because he plays Quidditch? Nicky I honestly hadn't noticed he was the only one in glasses! In the books, Percy wears glasses, and there are probably others who do, as well -- she may just not have mentioned them yet. Odd that none of them in the film wear them except Harry! Good question on Rita -- I think it's possible that people know about his childhood with the Dursleys, but it's more likely the Quidditch broom cupboard she was referring to. She was AWFULLY *fresh* with a KID, wasn't she? Yikes! ;-> Rita was VERY well-played! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jan 18 15:55:50 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:55:50 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]the age of Harry's parents Message-ID: <36.1f7b71b.30ffbf06@aol.com> In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:27:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > Well, Alan's a bit older than I > thought he'd be, but still -- he and Dan do look a lot alike (a LOT more than > Dan > looks like Adrian Rawling)! Thanks for sharing! Who is Adrian Rawling??? Valerie the guy who plays James Potter (unless I misspelled or mis-remembered his name -- that was my post above yours there, not Regina's) Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfreimu at gmail.com Wed Jan 18 12:38:18 2006 From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:38:18 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] IMAX is awesome Message-ID: <977182740601180438g7cb9e06p89acdc96e9033779@mail.gmail.com> >OK...I just saw GOF on IMAX Monday night. Wow!!! How can I ever see an >HP movie on a regular screen again?!! I got to see it on IMAX in Colorado Springs while I was on vacation over Christmas! It was fantastic - I wish the IMAX here would play theater movies (Omaha, NE). Everybody at our reunion thought that me & my sister were crazy because we were so intent on seeing this movie - they even made the comment that we could see it any day at home! They just don't understand! LOL >And speaking of eyes, Dan's are gorgeous...mid blue with darker blue >rim. Mercy me! My favorite scene which gives me the chills even after >my 4th viewing is when Moody/Crouch Jr. says "Only one has been known >to have survived it; and he's right here in this room". He is towering >somewhat menacingly over Harry (foreshadowing?). Harry looks up at him >with those "Dan eyes". I couldn't quite read his expression. Is he >thinking "Oh great; thanks for pointing that out! I just want to be a >normal kid thank-you very much" or is he frightened by the mere close >presence of kooky ole Moody? I thought this was an interesting scene - during my third viewing, it made me wonder if Harry knew that he was a victim of the AK curse and maybe this was the first time that he found out about it - or at the least he didn't ever quite have an idea of exactly what that curse could have done to him. Krista [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 02:19:48 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 02:19:48 -0000 Subject: New Member In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Lauren, I looking forward to being involved in the group and chatting about a great topic. There is some much built in Harry's world that you're always discovering new things. That's the great thing to being a "newbie". Harry has so many attractions. We are treated to amazing writing, great characters and a fastastic storyline. Not to mention terrific movies. What more could you want? Phoenix_kevin From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 05:22:54 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:22:54 -0000 Subject: IMAX and the Return In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It was an amazing scene. So well played by the actors involved that you can feel the shock and grief with a marvelous intensity. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "khajermei" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Maria Holub > > SNIPPED: > > This has probably been gone over again and again, but > > I just want to say: that scene just KILLED me! I was > > SOBBING! I think it's the harsh juxtaposition of the > > cheering and the music, and the sick knowledge that > > something's TERRIBLY _WRONG_!!! > > > > I appologise for all of the exclamation points. I get > > excited. > > > > Flop > > Hi Flop! > Glad you were able to enjoy Harry at point blank range! I totally > agree with you about the return scene. I remember the first time I > saw it, before I realized it, tears were streaming down my face! I > was very taken by the way in which Mike Newell allowed the scene to > play out. You and I know that this terrible thing has happened but > the cheering raucous crowd is still in high spirits with the band > playing to cover up Harry's sobs. Fleur (a highly underrated part of > this film) is the first to realize what has happened. Then the slow > dawning on everyone's faces, the camera panning from face to > confused and then horrified face and all along Harry's sobs > penetrating the noise. We went on about Dan's "crying scene" in POA > (as to whether you found it beleivable or not) and then someone very > intelligently pointed out that there were no tears at this point in > the "Goblet" book. Still, this scene rings true. I think it's a good > show for Dan that his Harry's reaction to all he'd seen, all that > had happened, all that he'd gone through came off as so real, so > natural and believable that many of us forgot that there had been no > tears on the return. There weren't any tears at all, in fact. > Hermione's capture of Rita (bug) Skeeter took Harry's thoughts away > from the misery that had threatened to overwhelm him in the book, > during Molly's most famous hug. But Dan brought something to Harry > that was totally in character. Glad to hear you loved it. You > weren't alone! > Jen D. > > > > Maria Holub > > http://www.geocities.com/sopraniste/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Evil Overlord's Guidebook > > > > #12 - One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. > > Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected > > before implementation. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Thu Jan 19 21:18:40 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:18:40 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Jen said:- >Thanks for the run through of the soundtrack. Can I ask, is there a >name for the music that played as Harry was taken by Moody from the >maze? I remember that so clearly, how the music seemed to soar with >great pathos as the camera panned back from the field and up to the >castle. I thought that was excellent. I don't really know music and movie well enough to be able to put a scene to a piece at this stage; but you may be referring to a track called 'Death of Cedric' which is indeed quite poignant. > Also, from COS, except for the >chrashing crescendo, did you like Fawkes' theme? The lovely non- >crashing parts stay in my memory. Yes I do like it; definitely the best thing on the CoS soundtrack. It's good to ice-skate to; I took my iPod along to the rink last time and did a few swoops around to it. Cheers, Nicholas From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Thu Jan 19 21:26:24 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:26:24 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: References: <20060116170448.69727.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >Valerie said:- >Yes, in the very beginning when the WB logo shows up...WHERE WAS THE >HARRY POTTER THEME MUSIC?!?! I believe that that was one of the few places in the movie where it *did* appear... in a minor key, and a short extract, but it was definitely 'Hedwig's Theme'. Cheers, Nicholas From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Thu Jan 19 21:18:33 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:18:33 +0000 Subject: The book on the table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I finally managed to see the movie again, and I have a question. A few weeks ago, someone posted that they noticed the book on the table during the scene where Harry talks to Sirius in the fire. This person identified the book as GoF, and I just wondered how you knew that? Did you see the movie in IMAX and thus saw the title? The reason I ask is that the book in question (I am assuming we are talking about the same one; a brightly-cloured spine is visible behind Harry in a couple of the shots) does not correspond in appearance to any of the British editions. This book's spine is partially red, partially green and partially a mottled brown which looks as if it might be an illustration. My copies of GoF, both hb and pb, have red/dark blue/light blue spines. The closest I can find is CoS, which has a red, green and dark blue spine. Can anyone shed any light? Cheers, Nicholas From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Thu Jan 19 21:18:45 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:18:45 +0000 Subject: Dan's parents In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> References: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Thanks for posting the pictures of Dan's parents. I have often wondered what his mother looked like, as I knew someone of the same name at school and had often wondered if it was the same person...it wasn't. Alan Radcliffe looks like Stephen Daldry (renowned London theatre director, also directed the movie 'Billy Elliot') Adrian Rawlins, Valerie, plays James Potter, and numerous other roles on British TV (he was in Spooks a couple of months ago and it took me ages to work out who he was!) Cheers, Nicholas From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 22:18:48 2006 From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:18:48 -0000 Subject: Dan's parents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas dean wrote: > > Thanks for posting the pictures of Dan's parents.> > Cheers, > Nicholas A big "your welcome!" going out to all those who thanked me for posting the pictures. I was hoping that I had not broken any rules by posting them. I have not heard from the moderators, so I think I can quit looking over my shoulder for a reprimand. :-) Regina From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 22:39:56 2006 From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:39:56 -0000 Subject: Movies making Harry seem weak? Message-ID: I'm disappointed that the movie's do not show more of what Harry is capable of. In the SS/PS movie we have no idea that Harry can, without wand or magical knowledge, grow back his hair overnight or find himself on the school chimney when Dudley and his gang had been chasing him. In the GOF movie Harry was not shown shaking off the imperious curse. The movie also decided to show Cedric fight off Krum in the maze when indeed it was Harry who stupefied Krum. Non book readers are missing out on the subtle hints that Harry is more than he seems. Shouldn't more of these hints be included in the movies? Regina From PenapartElf at aol.com Fri Jan 20 00:51:58 2006 From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:51:58 EST Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU - answer to the first question Message-ID: <29d.3f7cab2.31018e2e@aol.com> Hello! As you know, we are giving away free CDs of GoF soundtrack ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/11988 ) through contests here, the first of which asked the question, > For the GoF soundtrack, who takes over musical duties from > John Williams, the composer of the music for the last three > Harry Potter films? As you can see from the official press release below, the correct answer is the Academy Award-nominated composer Patrick Doyle. Congratulations to those who sent in the correct answer! Though I would like to congratulate "Jett" leatherftsh on being the first, I can't confirm the eligibility for winning the CD until I get a response to my emails! So, Jett/amznbard/leatherftsh, please read my emails and contact me at PenapartElf @aol.com (minus that extra space) in the next 24 hours. At this time tomorrow, if I haven't heard back, I will contact the next list member (who also correctly name Mr. Doyle as the answer) about eligibility as winner of the first CD that we are giving away. Thanks and stay tuned for the next question! :) Penapart Elf ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ October 25, 2005 HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE: ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SOUNDTRACK HIGHLIGHTS ALL-STAR LINE-UP Burbank, CA: There's musical magic afoot on the Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack, set for release on Warner Sunset Records, November 15th, 2005. Music from fourth installment of the phenomenal Harry Potter film franchise, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack features a score by Academy Award-nominated composer Patrick Doyle, best known for his work on Donnie Brasco, Bridget Jones' Diary, Hamlet and Sense And Sensibility. Doyle takes over musical duties from John Williams, who composed the music for the last three Harry Potter films, which together were nominated for three Grammy Awards and two Oscars and sold more than a million copies worldwide. Also available as a digital download, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack includes liner notes from the film's director Mike Newell. The album also features three new original songs, two of which were written by acclaimed recording artist Jarvis Cocker and the third co-written by Cocker and Jason Buckle. The tracks -- "Do The Hippogriff," "Magic Works" and "This Is The Night" -- are performed by Jarvis Cocker, Jonny Greenwood, Phil Selway, Steve Claydon, Steve Mackey and Jason Buckle. Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire continues author J.K. Rowling's immensely popular Harry Potter novel series with Harry (Daniel Radcliffe) being selected to compete in the prestigious Triwizard Tournament, which pits him against older and more experienced students from Hogwarts and two rival European wizarding schools. Meanwhile, supporters of Harry's nemesis, the evil Lord Voldemort (Ralph Fiennes), send a shockwave of fear throughout the wizard community when their Dark Mark scorches the sky at the Quidditch World Cup, signaling Voldemort's return to power. But for Harry, this is not the only harrowing news causing him anxiety - he still has yet to find a date for Hogwarts' Yule Ball dance. Warner Bros. Pictures presents a Heyday Films production of a Mike Newell film, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, starring Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, Emma Watson, Robbie Coltrane, Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Brendan Gleeson, Jason Isaacs, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman, Maggie Smith and Timothy Spall. Directed by Mike Newell, the film is produced by David Heyman from a screenplay by Steve Kloves, based on the novel by J.K. Rowling. The executive producers are David Barron and Tanya Seghatchian. The director of photography is Roger Pratt, BSC; the production designer is Stuart Craig; the editor is Mick Audsley; the co-producer is Peter MacDonald; the costume designer is Jany Temime; Hedwig's Theme is composed by John Williams; and the music is by Patrick Doyle. Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment company, will release the film Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, on November 18, 2005 in the United States. For more information, visit www.harrypottersoundtrack.com From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 20 02:42:38 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:42:38 -0000 Subject: The book on the table In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas dean wrote: > > I finally managed to see the movie again, and I have a question. > > A few weeks ago, someone posted that they noticed the book on the > table during the scene where Harry talks to Sirius in the fire. This > person identified the book as GoF, and I just wondered how you knew > that? Did you see the movie in IMAX and thus saw the title? > > The reason I ask is that the book in question (I am assuming we are > talking about the same one; a brightly-cloured spine is visible > behind Harry in a couple of the shots) does not correspond in > appearance to any of the British editions. This book's spine is > partially red, partially green and partially a mottled brown which > looks as if it might be an illustration. My copies of GoF, both hb > and pb, have red/dark blue/light blue spines. The closest I can find > is CoS, which has a red, green and dark blue spine. > > Can anyone shed any light? > > Cheers, > Nicholas Nicholas, I think we need some screen caps to make anything out. I have seen this scene twice in IMAX and paid very close attetion and could not make out the titles. I have both American and British editions of GOF and no, that book (or any other book I could make out)does not look like either of my editions. Jen D. > From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 20 02:51:20 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:51:20 -0000 Subject: Movies making Harry seem weak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "itzgoodnite" wrote: > > I'm disappointed that the movie's do not show more of what Harry is > capable of. > In the SS/PS movie we have no idea that Harry can, without wand or > magical knowledge, grow back his hair overnight or find himself on the > school chimney when Dudley and his gang had been chasing him. > In the GOF movie Harry was not shown shaking off the imperious > curse. The movie also decided to show Cedric fight off Krum in the > maze when indeed it was Harry who stupefied Krum. Non book readers > are missing out on the subtle hints that Harry is more than he seems. > Shouldn't more of these hints be included in the movies? > > Regina > Hi Regina, This could be a long and elaborate message but to cut to the chase, I don't think the current director included anything that didn't directly contribute to his "take" on GOF. He saw it as a thriller and he included what he needed to keep things on the "thriller" track. That doesn't explain why he did re-arange things that could have been given to Harry, such as stunning Krum, but it does explain why we see so little of the ga-zillions of details that JKR writes as if she were breathing. I do think that Harry has been portrayed as very powerful at times. It only took him two tries to get a very impressive patronus in POA. In the book, it took weeks and weeks! And when he got angry at Aunt Marge, lots of weird things took place and there was no wand anywhere to be seen. He made the glass disappear in SS/PS. That was pretty impressive too. And he did so much of this stuff without meaning to, or even understanding what he was doing. It may be more subtle than the books, but I think it's there, that Harry is powerfully magical. Sorry, this was supposed to be short! Jen D. From agdisney at msn.com Sat Jan 21 02:05:25 2006 From: agdisney at msn.com (Andrea Grevera) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:05:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movies making Harry seem weak? References: Message-ID: I'm disappointed that the movie's do not show more of what Harry is capable of. In the SS/PS movie we have no idea that Harry can, without wand or magical knowledge, grow back his hair overnight or find himself on the school chimney when Dudley and his gang had been chasing him. In the GOF movie Harry was not shown shaking off the imperious curse. The movie also decided to show Cedric fight off Krum in the maze when indeed it was Harry who stupefied Krum. Non book readers are missing out on the subtle hints that Harry is more than he seems. Shouldn't more of these hints be included in the movies? Regina Andie: I agree that there is not enough detail - information- in the movies. Especially in POA when things were turned around to suit the directors version. I don't like it that the directors are not true to the book. Personally, and I know that I'm in the minority, but I liked the first 2 movies better then 3 and somewhat 4. The first 2 stuck to the books with minor changes. Book 3 put scenes wherever the director felt like it and 4 was too rushed. but that is MHO. I hope OOTP keeps to the story and doesn't leave out the departure of the twins. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 02:45:58 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:45:58 -0000 Subject: Movies making Harry seem weak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Andrea Grevera" wrote: > > > > > Personally, and I know that I'm in the minority, but I > liked the first 2 movies better then 3 and somewhat 4. > The first 2 stuck to the books with minor changes. > Book 3 put scenes wherever the director felt like it and > 4 was too rushed. but that is MHO. > > I hope OOTP keeps to the story and doesn't leave out > the departure of the twins. > geebsy replies: The first two films were thought to be too slavish to the books by many movie reviewers. The third was supposed to have caputured the "real magic" of the HP world. GoF is generally believed to be lacking in a real emotional punch. However...from what I understand most HP fans liked the first two movies for keeping generally to the books, dislike the story re- arrangement in PoA and its "artsyness'. Goblet is too new to come to deffinate conclusions, although most fans find in favor of it, despite the severe cutting the book had to go through. Rushed is the correct word for it. This is just a quicksummary of what I have found in reading most HP sites. Roxane > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jan 21 04:47:30 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:47:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Dan's parents In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20060113025549.00b95170@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: > Adrian Rawlins, Valerie, plays James Potter, and numerous other roles > on British TV (he was in Spooks a couple of months ago and it took me > ages to work out who he was!) > > Cheers, > Nicholas > > Ah yes, he looked quite different in the online photo. And i guess I will just have to go see GOF again to catch that opening Hedwig's theme. I don't recall it. It sounded more like Star Wars music to me?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jan 21 05:07:57 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:07:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: movies vs. books. The 4 HP movies... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > geebsy replies: > The first two films were thought to be too slavish to the books by > many movie reviewers.? The third was supposed to have caputured > the "real magic" of the HP world.? GoF is generally believed to be > lacking in a real emotional punch.? > However...from what I understand most HP fans liked the first two > movies for keeping generally to the books, dislike the story re- > arrangement in PoA and its "artsyness'. Goblet is? too new to come > to deffinate conclusions, although most fans find in favor of it, > despite the severe cutting the book had to go through. Rushed is the > correct word for it.?? This is just a quicksummary of what I have > found in reading most HP sites. > > Roxane > Hmmm...POA too artsy? That what's so fabulous about it (IMO!) I was just thinking about it today, and how, despite the chopping of the storyline, it is still probably my favorite movie (and book). I wouldn't say GOF lacks emotional punch! It's often more emotional than the book! (mainly the dead Cedric scene.) Many people have complained about how rushed it was. I didn't really feel that. In fact I was noting that the cinematic ploy that Cuaron used with the 'time theme' (huge clock tower, ticking clock, time turner, changing seasons of the Whomping Willow, etc.) is still carried through in GOF. Perhaps more subtly than POA, but in IMAX I really noted for the first time the clock ticking, the clock tower, etc. This serves to pull the audience along the timeline, denoting the passage of the school year (in this movie the year is sectioned by the 3 specific tasks). Being an HP fan, I would prefer that the movies remain as faithful to the books as possible. Removing extraneous side story, one can still tell the main story, artfully filmed and emotionally acted. Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jan 21 05:41:37 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:41:37 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GOF scene In-Reply-To: <977182740601180438g7cb9e06p89acdc96e9033779@mail.gmail.com> References: <977182740601180438g7cb9e06p89acdc96e9033779@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20c17e435c67bd07a7122c225a3a79d7@verizon.net> > I thought this was an interesting scene - during my third viewing, it > made > me wonder if Harry knew that he was a victim of the AK curse and > maybe this > was the first time that he found out about it - or at the least he > didn't > ever quite have an idea of exactly what that curse could have done to > him. > > Krista > > I think he definitely knew that he is famous for surviving the AK > curse. He has had nightmares of the flashes of green light, mom > screaming, etc. I believe it all hit home when that spider's life was > snuffed out so rapidly. It shocked him knowing that that is how > quickly it must have happened to his parents. One minute there, then, > dead. Poor kid...what a thing to have to live with! As mentioned in an earlier post, I too would have liked to have seen Harry/Dan withstand the Imperious curse. The ultimate mystery remains: whether or not Harry IS powerful, or if it is just Voldemort's transferal of power that made him so??? I suppose all will be revealed in book 7! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jan 21 13:33:22 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:33:22 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: IMAX is awesome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4c103b4588535ab5d966129b2736b79a@verizon.net> > >I am still hoping for a director's cut!!! > Jen D > Yes...the things I hope to be more enlightened on in the DVD extras is what was involved in the process of creating 'fire-face Sirius; the dragon scene, ferret-Draco, the maze, the evolution of Voldemort. So many wonderful special effects! Has anyone heard if GOF has won any awards for that yet? I know the Golden Globes was last week here in the U.S., but I missed it. WIll have to go online to check the winners. Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 15:22:23 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:22:23 -0000 Subject: movies vs. books. The 4 HP movies... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > Hmmm...POA too artsy? That what's so fabulous about it (IMO!) I was > just thinking about it today, and how, despite the chopping of the > storyline, it is still probably my favorite movie (and book). > I wouldn't say GOF lacks emotional punch! It's often more emotional > than the book! (mainly the dead Cedric scene.) Many people have > complained about how rushed it was. I didn't really feel that. In fact > I was noting that the cinematic ploy that Cuaron used with the 'time > theme' (huge clock tower, ticking clock, time turner, changing seasons > of the Whomping Willow, etc.) is still carried through in GOF. Perhaps > more subtly than POA, but in IMAX I really noted for the first time the > clock ticking, the clock tower, etc. This serves to pull the audience > along the timeline, denoting the passage of the school year (in this > movie the year is sectioned by the 3 specific tasks). > Being an HP fan, I would prefer that the movies remain as faithful to > the books as possible. Removing extraneous side story, one can still > tell the main story, artfully filmed and emotionally acted. > > Valerie I didn't snip you Valerie, because I believe you are right on all accounts. I agree you about PoA. I like its artistry; the seasons, the clock, the clothes, the Hogwarts grounds. It is a beautiful movie, and perhaps the best filmed. What I did not like about #1 & #2 where some of the horrible shots the Chris put us through. I wince when I watch the quiddich scene in #1 and the camera stays on Harry's face as he holds up the snitch. Poor Dan looks like he has a toothache and the shot just goes on and on and on. The ending did not satisfy me as much either. In CoS, there were some really good things done. Brannagh was incredible as Lockhart. In the dueling scene his beautiful coiffed hair, tailored clothes and sweeping cape were well juxiposed with Snape's dark looks. Then when Harry and Draco start hurling hexes at each other the image is suddenly reversed. I did not like the ending here either. It was rather limp. Gof left me with mixed feelings. Yes, I thought that the return with Cedrics body was highly charged. The celebration and horror playing together made for a very intense emotional moment--but for me that was the only one. The graveyard scene was well done and Fiennes was spectacular. I loved the intense, almost smouldering sensuality he used to convey V's return to his body. As for the other parts I felt it was a well put together action/adventure movie, that was possible due to CGI. Yes, I was on the edge of my seat in the dragon scene, but Harry is not action hero. He depends on his friends and it is those little human things that make the books and ultimately must make the movie. They were there-- the ferret scene, because despite it all, that is a human moment: Ron and Harry making up (Who could understand the logic?)but there needed to be more of them. I have only seen the movie twice though. It took me a while to warm up the PoA and I could shift my views on this movie as I watch in on DVD a few hundred times. Roxane From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 16:34:51 2006 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:34:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movies making Harry seem weak? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060121163451.74377.qmail@web37007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > > Personally, and I know that I'm in the minority, but I > liked the first 2 movies better then 3 and somewhat 4. > The first 2 stuck to the books with minor changes. > Book 3 put scenes wherever the director felt like it and > 4 was too rushed. but that is MHO. > > I hope OOTP keeps to the story and doesn't leave out > the departure of the twins. > geebsy replies: The first two films were thought to be too slavish to the books by many movie reviewers. The third was supposed to have caputured the "real magic" of the HP world. GoF is generally believed to be lacking in a real emotional punch. However...from what I understand most HP fans liked the first two movies for keeping generally to the books, dislike the story re- arrangement in PoA and its "artsyness'. Goblet is too new to come to deffinate conclusions, although most fans find in favor of it, despite the severe cutting the book had to go through. Rushed is the correct word for it. This is just a quicksummary of what I have found in reading most HP sites. Roxane Crystal: In my opinion I liked the first two movies for sticking to the books. I can't stand it when stuff is changed to much. The PoA was way to changed for me because I remeber when I came out of the theather for PoA I couldn't be quiet with how much was chaged and how I didn't like it to much. To me GoF was way better then PoA but like everyone else said it did lack some emotional punch. I did really like the graveyard scene but then again I agree it could be to early to say to much about the GoF. I should have the movie by next week or something so then I should be able to tell after watching a few more times and being able to replay and stuff. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From juli17 at aol.com Sat Jan 21 17:41:38 2006 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:41:38 -0500 Subject: movies vs. books. The 4 HP movies... In-Reply-To: <1137859857.548.80031.m16@yahoogroups.com> References: <1137859857.548.80031.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <8C7ECC9110F44E9-A30-15670@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Regarding adapting the movies from the books, we should remember that PS/SS and COS were fairly simple books with straight-forward plotlines. Thus it was relatively easy to adapt them to 2 1/2-3 hr movies in a nearly word-for-word fashion. Starting with POA the books have gotten progressively longer and more complex, making it impossible to adapt them each to a single movie without sacrificing some of the lesser plotlines. So in a sense it's unfair to compare PS/SS and COS with later movies in terms of close adherence to the books. That time is over, and with OotP, there's sure to be more cuts than ever. We can only hope that the cuts are made judiciously. Which for me means as little of the Giants as possible (please, please, please!). I know they will already be there, but no more than a minute or two to establish Grawp and Hagrid's relationship, I hope. But we all have our preferences, and some of us are bound to be a little disappointed in what's missing. Nothing to do but enjoy what we get, which I have so far. Julie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 17:45:54 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:45:54 -0000 Subject: Fun observation and a question In-Reply-To: <7f13c9ee650fd420cb17cdfdc5a392fc@verizon.net> Message-ID: Rita Skeeter was a deliciously well defined character in the movie and Miranda Richardson's performance was amazing. She certainly put Harry and Hermione thru alot of grief. It would have been nice to see Hermione catching her in the jar, they left alot of that part of the storyline out of the movie. I wonder if they'll include Rita in the next movie. Alot of Rita's involvement in Order of the Phoenix is linked by to the story in GOF. Considering what was done with that storyline --- In HPFGU- Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:48 PM, jeanico2000 wrote: > > > > > > > 2) Why would Rita Skeeter tell Harry he should feel at home in a broom > > closet? she doesn't know about his childhood at the Dursleys... or is > > it perhaps because he plays Quidditch? > > Nicky > > You know Rita...she is the ultimate snoop. Always lurking around to get > the juicy dirt. I wouldn't be surprised if she dug into Harry's past > and found out he lived his childhood in a closet (probably from > Draco!). It would be the sort of thing she'd love to dig up. > That is the way I took it anyway...it was an evil, insensitive jab, > much like most of her comments to him. What a witch! Too bad they > didn't leave the Hermione catching her in a jar part. That would've > been a riot! > Valerie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 17:51:06 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:51:06 -0000 Subject: GOF scene In-Reply-To: <20c17e435c67bd07a7122c225a3a79d7@verizon.net> Message-ID: There are so many questions to be answered by book seven including the fates of characters who now seem so real to us thanks to JK's writing. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > I thought this was an interesting scene - during my third viewing, it > > made > > me wonder if Harry knew that he was a victim of the AK curse and > > maybe this > > was the first time that he found out about it - or at the least he > > didn't > > ever quite have an idea of exactly what that curse could have done to > > him. > > > > Krista > > > > I think he definitely knew that he is famous for surviving the AK > > curse. He has had nightmares of the flashes of green light, mom > > screaming, etc. I believe it all hit home when that spider's life was > > snuffed out so rapidly. It shocked him knowing that that is how > > quickly it must have happened to his parents. One minute there, then, > > dead. Poor kid...what a thing to have to live with! > > As mentioned in an earlier post, I too would have liked to have seen > Harry/Dan withstand the Imperious curse. > The ultimate mystery remains: whether or not Harry IS powerful, or if > it is just Voldemort's transferal of power that made him so??? I > suppose all will be revealed in book 7! > Valerie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 18:21:52 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:21:52 -0000 Subject: movies vs. books. The 4 HP movies... In-Reply-To: <8C7ECC9110F44E9-A30-15670@FWM-D35.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That is so true about adapting the Harry Potter books into movie format. A dear friend of mine is a writer and director of films and television. I had privilege of sitting in on some classes he was doing on the subject of writing for plays, tv and movies. One thing I learned is that one minute of a movie or tv is equal to one page on a script. If a film is 150 minutes (2 1/2 hours) then there are usually about 150 pages in the script. Because of the demands of movie format there has been and will be alot of material from the books cut out, but I think they've done a remarkable job of keeping the over all storline and the feeling of the books intact in the movies so far. I'm looking forward to seeing OotP when it comes to the screen. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at a... wrote: > > > > Regarding adapting the movies from the books, we should remember > that PS/SS and COS were fairly simple books with straight-forward > plotlines. Thus it was relatively easy to adapt them to 2 1/2-3 hr > movies in a nearly word-for-word fashion. Starting with POA the > books have gotten progressively longer and more complex, making > it impossible to adapt them each to a single movie without sacrificing > some of the lesser plotlines. > > So in a sense it's unfair to compare PS/SS and COS with later movies > in terms of close adherence to the books. That time is over, and > with OotP, there's sure to be more cuts than ever. We can only > hope that the cuts are made judiciously. Which for me means as > little of the Giants as possible (please, please, please!). I know they > will already be there, but no more than a minute or two to establish > Grawp and Hagrid's relationship, I hope. But we all have our preferences, > and some of us are bound to be a little disappointed in what's missing. > Nothing to do but enjoy what we get, which I have so far. > > Julie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From diahn_hermione at yahoo.com.mx Sat Jan 21 18:52:10 2006 From: diahn_hermione at yahoo.com.mx (diahn_hermione) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:52:10 -0000 Subject: Hi!!! Message-ID: I'm new here. I'll like to know some news about Harry Potter stuff, like the actors, etc. Hope you to help me with that and maybe we can talk about movies, books, etc. From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Sat Jan 21 19:59:24 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:59:24 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GOF scene Message-ID: <1f5.1a2f4940.3103ec9c@aol.com> In a message dated 1/21/06 12:42:55 AM, valerie.flowe at verizon.net writes: > The ultimate mystery remains: whether or not Harry IS powerful, or if > it is just Voldemort's transferal of power that made him so??? I > suppose all will be revealed in book 7! > Speaking of that, (and forgive me if its already been asked) does anyone know a definite date for the last book?? Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 20:34:25 2006 From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:34:25 -0000 Subject: Percy will be back! Message-ID: Per The Leaky Cauldron, "As rumored and suggested, Chris Rankin (Percy) has confirmed to us that he will be in Order of the Phoenix..." We will get to see Percy back the Ministry. Boo! Hiss! Regina From starjackson1 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 04:42:11 2006 From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 04:42:11 -0000 Subject: I Finally Saw GOF in IMAX! Message-ID: Well folks, I never thought it would happen. I missed GOF at the IMAX theater at the Air & Space Museum in downtown D.C. when it played there the last two weeks of December. On Friday I discovered that GOF was also playing at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum Annex in Dulles, Virginia! A coworker and I went to see the 5 p.m. show today. I have to echo someone here who stated that after seeing GOF in IMAX, would a regular movie screen ever do for a HP film again? Movies like GOF are simply made to be seen on the IMAX screen. The richness of detail of the Hogwarts castle was breathtaking. Of course, watching Harry battle the dragon in IMAX was spectaular - but I was equally impressed with the graveyard scene on the tall screen. The impact of the two wands coming together and Voldemort's face as Harry escaped yet again - powerful. But for me, what was even more moving and had such an impact was the chaos at the Quidditch World Cup. It was more frightening then on a regular sized screen. Another thing which was interesting with IMAX - I could hear the dialog much better. Little things said that I simply could not pick up the first three times I saw this film, but everything was crystal clear to my ears in IMAX. The sound system just seemed to be better. I have to wonder why some movie theaters don't try to have one IMAX screen available. Sure, they must be expensive, but films like HP, Spiderman, Batman, Star Wars, The Fantastic 4, etc., would do beautifully on IMAX, as would something like "March of the Penguins". I think this is an idea whos time has come! I also wanted to ask a question: is GOF the only HP film that has been shown in an IMAX theater? Thanks! From rkdas at charter.net Sun Jan 22 12:43:43 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:43:43 -0000 Subject: I Finally Saw GOF in IMAX! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "starjackson1" wrote: > >> I also wanted to ask a question: is GOF the only HP film that has been > shown in an IMAX theater? > > Thanks! > Hi there and many hearty congrats on getting to see GOF in IMAX. No, this isn't the first IMAX Harry. POA did appear in some IMAX theaters. In Chi-town, POA was at the Navy Pier. My hubby thought I'd lost my mind when I asked if we could drive down to see it. Now there are many more IMAX screens than even a year and a half ago. I can testify to that by saying if Madison, WI can boast one, they must be more common. Wasn't the sound quality just amazing? I remember catching so many more asides, off-screen remarks, so much better. Ron was so funny after the Fleur debacle! I caught many connections the director made. Such as when the Patil twins did their first "Hi Harry!" The second "Hi Harry!" was his cue to realize that he might be able to organize a double date to save him and Ron. The Durmstrang ship came out in stark relief. Did you see the Onionskin domes on the stern side of the ship? We could talk fascinating little details ad infinitum, couldn't we? This Harry was made for IMAX! Jen D. From hp at plum.cream.org Sun Jan 22 15:09:42 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:09:42 +0000 Subject: IMAX Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060122143725.00b25bc0@plum.cream.org> I've not had time to post much lately, but would like to add a few thoughts to several recent threads. I also have a backlog of over 200 older posts which I have earmarked for replies, but don't know if I'll ever have the time if traffic continues at recent levels, but I'll try... I'm not going to quote any specific posts before replying (there have been hundreds on the subject!), but regarding IMAX.... Considering some of the contributions, I seriously (and I mean *SERIOUSLY*) wonder what the technical quality of projection in the average American cinema is like, given that so many people have mentioned details they couldn't see or hear otherwise. I find this truly baffling, because nothing that's been pointed out was news to me, who's only seen it in my local multiplex. I saw PoA in IMAX (with a bunch of other HPFGU people) when it was on (having seen it over a dozen times in the regular cinema; I'd seen IMAX movies before, but only those specifically mad for the format), and was expecting to be bowled over and to be able to see lots of clear details I'd not noticed before: frankly, I was underwhelmed and while the picture was *marginally* clearer than otherwise, it wasn't such a great improvement that I could see things I'd not noticed before. Incidentally, in answer to Starjackson's question, to say that multiplexes having IMAX screens would be "expensive" is an understatement of massive proportions. The auditorium would have to be built especially, taking up the space of at least two large "standard" screens for roughly half the audience per screening, and the technical specs of the projection equipment are such that a specialist projectionist would need to be employed to service the IMAX screen alone. And then there's the cost of the prints, which cost about three times the price of a standard print to produce (although theoretically these should last longer as the film doesn't get scratched as much). In other words, it simply wouldn't make financial sense for a multiplex operator to provide IMAX screens in their multiplexes, and only absolutely sure-fire hits (of which, apart from HP or Star Wars, there are none) would warrant the extra expense in providing vastly expensive prints for a limited audience. Judging by the comments elsewhere, my own view is that it seems that American cinemas would have much more to gain by providing decent technical facilities for their general audiences which would cost a fraction of the price. -- Richard, who's sad that GoF has now disappeared from his local multiplex and saw it for what will probably be the last time in the cinema yesterday - in the company of three other people... From hp at plum.cream.org Sun Jan 22 15:48:51 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:48:51 +0000 Subject: GoF DVD In-Reply-To: <4c103b4588535ab5d966129b2736b79a@verizon.net> References: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060122152652.00b1f420@plum.cream.org> At 13:33 21/01/2006 , Valerie Flowe wrote: >Yes...the things I hope to be more enlightened on in the DVD extras is >what was involved in the process of creating 'fire-face Sirius; the >dragon scene, ferret-Draco, the maze, the evolution of Voldemort. So >many wonderful special effects! Digital SFX are the one thing I do *not* want extensive DVD extras to cover. Every possible combination, from the creation of digital characters to animation and compositing are easy targets for featurettes and have been given far too much time in every SFX blockbuster there's been in the last few years, from Spider-Man through the LOTR trilogy to War of the Worlds, and hundreds of other films which didn't quite reach "blockbuster" status. If you want to know how any of those things were achieved (by example, if not specifically), watch any of the documentaries on any of the LOTR movies. Frankly, since those three, detailed examination of digital SFX is redundant. As for HP, there's loads of material out there as to how things were done, and one of the SFX magazines (CineFX, if I'm not mistaken) have made lenghty and detailed analyses of each of the HP movies to date, including interviews with the creative teams involved. Personally, I'm more interested in the creative process. I'd like to see an extended item on the way the scripts are brought into being and the re-write process, and comments from the directors on casting and shot selection. Of course, something most people want are running directors' commentaries, but on this subject, speaking for myself, I'm less interested in anecdotes about who was late on the set or how two sequential shots were filmed three weeks apart, but why the director chose a particular focus in a particular scene and what he was trying to say. Probably 99% of all directors' commentaries I've heard are, frankly, boring. >Has anyone heard if GOF has won any awards for that yet? I know the >Golden Globes was last week here in the U.S., but I missed it. WIll >have to go online to check the winners. Not yet. I don't think it had any nominations for the Globes: off the top of my head, the Globes don't have any technical awards, and those are the only categories in which the HP series stands a chance. All I recall was being surprised by Narnia's nomination for best score: GoF (and several others) struck me as much more deserving. -- Richard, glad to see that Valerie seems to have sorted out the technical glitches in her posts. :-) From faisal_patel123 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 14:33:30 2006 From: faisal_patel123 at yahoo.com (faisal patel) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:33:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Hi!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060122143330.29584.qmail@web36415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> diahn_hermione wrote: >> I'm new here. I'll like to know some news about Harry Potter stuff, like the actors, etc. Hope you to help me with that and maybe we can talk about movies, books, etc. << sure thing From starjackson1 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 18:18:19 2006 From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:18:19 -0000 Subject: IMAX In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060122143725.00b25bc0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Richard - Thanks for explaining the costs associated with IMAX Theaters, including the special projection equipment needs, space needs, etc. I had no idea! I saw GOF in the *brand new* fancy multiplex theater near where I live, and the sound quality was not as good as IMAX. And, I don't know why, but I caught a lot more detail and dialog in the IMAX version. A bigger screen does help. My coworker, who saw the IMAX version with me, said that she didn't think GOF was filmed with IMAX in mind, because she didn't feel there were a lot of 3-D visuals in the movie (she loved the film however). I would have to agree with her, because naturally 99% of the movie goers will see the film on a regular multiplex screen, so why bother to shoot the film especifically for a certain format? I, for my part, will definately go to see the next HP film in IMAX! Perhaps once in the multiplex cinema, and the rest in the IMAX, even if I have to wait several weeks for the film to get there! --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Richard wrote: > > I've not had time to post much lately, but would like to add a few thoughts > to several recent threads. I also have a backlog of over 200 older posts > which I have earmarked for replies, but don't know if I'll ever have the > time if traffic continues at recent levels, but I'll try... > > I'm not going to quote any specific posts before replying (there have been > hundreds on the subject!), but regarding IMAX.... > > Considering some of the contributions, I seriously (and I mean *SERIOUSLY*) > wonder what the technical quality of projection in the average American > cinema is like, given that so many people have mentioned details they > couldn't see or hear otherwise. I find this truly baffling, because nothing > that's been pointed out was news to me, who's only seen it in my local > multiplex. > > I saw PoA in IMAX (with a bunch of other HPFGU people) when it was on > (having seen it over a dozen times in the regular cinema; I'd seen IMAX > movies before, but only those specifically mad for the format), and was > expecting to be bowled over and to be able to see lots of clear details I'd > not noticed before: frankly, I was underwhelmed and while the picture was > *marginally* clearer than otherwise, it wasn't such a great improvement > that I could see things I'd not noticed before. > > Incidentally, in answer to Starjackson's question, to say that multiplexes > having IMAX screens would be "expensive" is an understatement of massive > proportions. The auditorium would have to be built especially, taking up > the space of at least two large "standard" screens for roughly half the > audience per screening, and the technical specs of the projection equipment > are such that a specialist projectionist would need to be employed to > service the IMAX screen alone. And then there's the cost of the prints, > which cost about three times the price of a standard print to produce > (although theoretically these should last longer as the film doesn't get > scratched as much). > > In other words, it simply wouldn't make financial sense for a multiplex > operator to provide IMAX screens in their multiplexes, and only absolutely > sure-fire hits (of which, apart from HP or Star Wars, there are none) would > warrant the extra expense in providing vastly expensive prints for a > limited audience. > > Judging by the comments elsewhere, my own view is that it seems that > American cinemas would have much more to gain by providing decent technical > facilities for their general audiences which would cost a fraction of the > price. > > -- > Richard, who's sad that GoF has now disappeared from his local multiplex > and saw it for what will probably be the last time in the cinema yesterday > - in the company of three other people... > From rkdas at charter.net Sun Jan 22 18:44:58 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:44:58 -0000 Subject: IMAX In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060122143725.00b25bc0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: Richard, Your comment about the poor the quality of American theaters caught my eye. I think you are right. If you live in a town without a newer cinema, you might have a junkie sound system. My closest theater has only one THX sound system/screen and I saw GOF on that exclusively. Then I stepped up to IMAX, a very very new IMAX screen (GOF was the first film they have shown)and I was introduced to a whole nother level of sound quality. Your visual acumen is prodigious no doubt, but even so, the larger screen does make various levels of detail stand out. And, you must admit, there are a great many details in this film. JKR's world demands detail, layers and layers. (I was thinking this morning, the WW world is basically a world still made up of stories, the retelling of stories, the embellishment of stories, elsewise, how could you sell 2 competitions where the audience can not see one wit of the action??? But the stories that would be told later, they'd fill in the huge blank. Not something a muggle would cotton to) It's a real treat to have a chance to catch them. But to cut to the chase, you are more than likely right, our sound systems over here, at least on normal screens may just be real stinkers. Jen D. From hp at plum.cream.org Sun Jan 22 22:58:20 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:58:20 +0000 Subject: Collection of short(ish) comments Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060122225815.00b4f3a0@plum.cream.org> A collection of replies to several threads, in no particular order. Please change the subject line to something more appropriate if responding. At 22:39 19/01/2006 , Regina wrote: >I'm disappointed that the movie's do not show more of what Harry is >capable of. In the GOF movie Harry was not shown shaking off the >imperious curse. The movie also decided to show Cedric fight off Krum in the >maze when indeed it was Harry who stupefied Krum. Shouldn't more of these >hints be included in the movies? On the contrary, as I've said before, one of the main ways in which Movie!Harry differs from Book!Harry is that the movies don't make any effort to show that Harry is, in most ways, an intensely average student. At the same time, they slightly *over*do his inherent magical abilities: his Expeliarmuses seem more powerful than others', he manages the Patronus with almost ease, his duel with Voldemort didn't appear to demand *too* much of him, we didn't see him practicing his Accio, etc., etc. Showing him overcoming the Imperius would have been a bit much, especially as one of the points of the DADA lesson was to make it clear that he's the only one to have survived the AK. Having Cedric overcome Krum was there to show Harry being heroic, and having *him* notice that something's "off", rather than just blasting. It made a great deal of sense - it also gave Cedric something to do. At 14:07 17/01/2006 , Jen D wrote: >I didn't notice that no one else had glasses. I have noticed that >Harry's glasses (the style) have changed. His first little glasses >were wire and his current ones look more substantial. As a "four-eyes" myself, I must admit that I noticed very early that no other pupil wears spectacles. Having came to the books on the back of the first movie, it surprised me to learn that Percy (to name but one) is specifically mentioned in the books as requiring specs, and (not surprising, as myopia is usually genetic in the male line) so does Arthur Weasley. I was disappointed when Williams wasn't given them to wear when playing the character, especially as he wears specs himself (though not usually in public). And then it turns out that so does Chris Rankin. As for Harry's own specs, I once thought they'd changed between CoS and PoA as well, but did some screencaps a while ago from the first three films and couldn't find any differences. And I haven't noticed any in comparing them to GoF either. Incidentally, and this may be news to some of the Americans, the people who make my own specs market an HP range for kids. They were engaged to design Harry's specs for the movies, and as part of the deal got the licence rights to market a range with the logo. The bizarre thing is that they make them in several shapes and colours, not only black-rimmed round ones... http://www.danda.co.uk/opticians/kids_at_danda/harrypotter.asp At 16:34 21/01/2006 , Crystal Williams wrote: >The PoA was way to changed for me because I remeber when I came out of the >theather for PoA I couldn't be quiet with how much was chaged and how I >didn't like it to much. To me GoF was way better then PoA but like >everyone else said it did lack some emotional punch. I did really like the >graveyard scene but then again I agree it could be to early to say to much >about the GoF. I should have the movie by next week or something so then I >should be able to tell after watching a few more times and being able to >replay and stuff. Much, much more was changed in GoF, so I'm a bit surprised at the continuing sentiment that PoA somehow "changed too much". Incidentally, just curious: how come you're expecting to have the movie "by next week" (i.e. this week) when it's not due to come out for another six weeks? -:) -- Richard, expecting to make a couple more "combination" posts in the coming week. From Mhochberg at aol.com Mon Jan 23 00:44:17 2006 From: Mhochberg at aol.com (Mhochberg at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:44:17 EST Subject: Music in the movies Message-ID: <1d6.4d47386f.310580e1@aol.com> Maria Holub sopraniste at yahoo.com writes: there were a couple of places where I really missed the themes that John Williams had already established with specific significances. The most notable example was the Priori Incantatem scene, when the wands linked and the book says that Harry recognised the sound of Phoenix Song. Considering what was already going on in the score, it could have SO EASILY morphed into the Fawkes the Phoenix Theme (one of my personal favourites from Chamber) with the crashing brass and percussion! I kept WAITING for it, and it never happened! Did this bother anyone else? I write back: I missed it. The Fawkes' theme is reason that I bought the second soundtrack. On the whole, though, I liked the GOF soundtrack. While I am a fan of John William's work, I sometimes find it repetitive or even disconcerting. The most glaring example is in "Raiders of the Ark." During the scene where Indy is grieving over the supposed death of Miriam, the music changes to a sequence right out of Star Wars. I was shocked right out of the movie and back into my seat. ---Mary There's no thief like a bad book. --Italian Proverb From PenapartElf at aol.com Mon Jan 23 01:12:33 2006 From: PenapartElf at aol.com (PenapartElf at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:12:33 EST Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU! Message-ID: <216.116b7533.31058781@aol.com> Greetings and Salutations! This is the Second of the GoF Soundtrack Giveaways at HPfGU. As part of Warner Sunset Records' promotion of the Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack in the US, CDs are being given away for free here at HPfGU-Movie. You are hereby invited to enter this contest for a copy of the soundtrack! To enter, you must keep in mind that... ...the prizes can only be sent to mailing addresses in the US. ...you can contend for the CDs as often as you wish by answering as many of the questions as you'd like (one entry per question per member only please!); however, no one list member can win more than one CD. ...the qualified, as described above, list member whose email (with both of the correct answers to the question below) gets onlist first at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPfGU-AndTheWinnersAre/messages wins the second CD that we are giving away. QUESTION: Patrick Doyle has been nominated for the Oscar in the category of MUSIC (Original Dramatic Score) twice. For which films was he nominated? Please send the names of both of these two films to HPfGU-AndTheWinnersAre at yahoogroups.com (that is HPfGU-AndTheWinnersAre @yahoogroups.com minus that extra space; you do not need to join the HPfGU- AndTheWinnersAre group to send your answer to this email address) As winners will be contacted via offlist email, PLEASE be sure to use a live email account that you will actually check within 24 hours of sending in your entry. If I cannot get in touch with the first person to correctly answer, I will move on to the second, the third, etc., in order to determine the winner. Stay tuned for the chance to win the next and last giveaway. Best of luck to y'all - may your email service providers be swift! :) Penapart Elf on behalf of the HPfGU List Admin Team THE FINE PRINT: Decisions of the HPfGU List Admin Team concerning any and all matters with respect to this contest shall be final. The sponsors reserve the right to change these rules, as well as the terms and conditions of this contest, without notice, by posting revised terms and conditions and/or rules here. The sponsors reserve the right to change the prize values at any time, or to substitute prizes of comparable value. Contest void where prohibited or otherwise restricted by law. HPfGU is not responsible for telephone line unavailability, server load issues, internet downtime, technical or atmospheric conditions that disrupt the entrant's internet access or system malfunctions, or any other access problems which may or may not result from this contest. If the sponsors determine in their sole discretion that the integrity or fairness of this contest has been corrupted in any manner, the sponsors reserve the right to terminate the contest and to select a winner from among entries legitimately received prior to termination. No private correspondence regarding entries will be entered into with entrants; any questions about entries can be sent to HPforGrownups-owner @yahoogroups.com (minus that extra space). From geebsy at yahoo.com Mon Jan 23 01:38:33 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:38:33 -0000 Subject: IMAX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > Richard, > Your comment about the poor the quality of American theaters caught > my eye. I think you are right. If you live in a town without a newer > cinema, you might have a junkie sound system. My closest theater has > only one THX sound system/screen and I saw GOF on that exclusively. > Then I stepped up to IMAX, a very very new IMAX screen (GOF was the > first film they have shown)and I was introduced to a whole nother > level of sound quality. geebsy replies If you live in a small town like I do (population 2400) and the theatre doesn't get movies until 3 weeks after their opening; the sound sucks; every kid in town knows you 'cause you are their high school librarian; cell pnones ring; people yak; the concession sounds overpower the sucky cinema sound; you still count yourself lucky cause you used to have to drive an hour to see ANY movie! I was fortunate to be in a large centre to see GoF at an IMAX, but that will be a rarity for me. Despite it all there are lots of movies I want to see on a BIG screen (Narnia is now playing until Wednesday) and so I put up with the small town shenanigans 'cause if I don't the Theatre will go out of business and gas has become too expensive to contemplate driving an hour to see a movie. Roxane From rkdas at charter.net Mon Jan 23 02:04:39 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:04:39 -0000 Subject: IMAX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > geebsy replies > > If you live in a small town like I do (population 2400) and the > theatre doesn't get movies until 3 weeks after their opening; the > sound sucks; every kid in town knows you 'cause you are their high > school librarian; cell pnones ring; people yak; the concession sounds > overpower the sucky cinema sound; you still count yourself lucky > cause you used to have to drive an hour to see ANY movie! > I was fortunate to be in a large centre to see GoF at an IMAX, but > that will be a rarity for me. Despite it all there are lots of movies > I want to see on a BIG screen (Narnia is now playing until Wednesday) > and so I put up with the small town shenanigans 'cause if I don't the > Theatre will go out of business and gas has become too expensive to > contemplate driving an hour to see a movie. > > Roxane Yikes! I guess I gotta thank Heaven for small favors. But it's kind of true, America is really huge and there are a great many really ancient theaters that are in the innumerable small towns. But the worst has to be seeing Harry at the $2.00 cinema. The screen is only slightly larger than your living room wall and the quality of the print never mind the sound is usually horrendous. What we suffer for our love of Harry.... Jen D > From amznbard at aol.com Mon Jan 23 17:59:37 2006 From: amznbard at aol.com (Jett) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:59:37 -0000 Subject: GoF Soundtrack Giveaways here at HPfGU - answer to the first question In-Reply-To: <29d.3f7cab2.31018e2e@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey there Penapart Elf! Wooohooo, thanks!! I replied to you on the 20th (private email) Did you get it yet? Jett (sorry to take up bandwidth, just covering all bases) --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, PenapartElf at a... wrote: > > Hello! > > As you know, we are giving away free CDs of GoF soundtrack > ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/11988 ) > through contests here, the first of which asked the question, > > > For the GoF soundtrack, who takes over musical duties from > > John Williams, the composer of the music for the last three > > Harry Potter films? > > As you can see from the official press release below, the correct > answer is the Academy Award-nominated composer Patrick Doyle. > > Congratulations to those who sent in the correct answer! Though I > would like to congratulate "Jett" leatherftsh > on being the first, I can't confirm the eligibility for winning the CD > until I get a response to my emails! > > So, Jett/amznbard/leatherftsh, please read my emails and contact > me at PenapartElf @aol.com (minus that extra space) in the next 24 > hours. At this time tomorrow, if I haven't heard back, I will contact > the next list member (who also correctly name Mr. Doyle as the > answer) about eligibility as winner of the first CD that we are > giving away. > > Thanks and stay tuned for the next question! > > :) Penapart Elf > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > October 25, 2005 > > HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE: > ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SOUNDTRACK > HIGHLIGHTS ALL-STAR LINE-UP > > Burbank, CA: There's musical magic afoot on the Harry Potter And The Goblet > Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack, set for release on Warner Sunset > Records, November 15th, 2005. > > Music from fourth installment of the phenomenal Harry Potter film franchise, > Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack > features a score by Academy Award-nominated composer Patrick Doyle, best > known for his work on Donnie Brasco, Bridget Jones' Diary, Hamlet and Sense > And Sensibility. Doyle takes over musical duties from John Williams, who > composed the music for the last three Harry Potter films, which together > were nominated for three Grammy Awards and two Oscars and sold more than a > million copies worldwide. Also available as a digital download, Harry Potter > And The Goblet Of Fire Original Motion Picture Soundtrack includes liner > notes from the film's director Mike Newell. > > The album also features three new original songs, two of which were written > by acclaimed recording artist Jarvis Cocker and the third co- written by > Cocker and Jason Buckle. The tracks -- "Do The Hippogriff," "Magic Works" > and "This Is The Night" -- are performed by Jarvis Cocker, Jonny Greenwood, > Phil Selway, Steve Claydon, Steve Mackey and Jason Buckle. > > Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire continues author J.K. Rowling's > immensely popular Harry Potter novel series with Harry (Daniel Radcliffe) > being selected to compete in the prestigious Triwizard Tournament, which > pits him against older and more experienced students from Hogwarts and two > rival European wizarding schools. Meanwhile, supporters of Harry's nemesis, > the evil Lord Voldemort (Ralph Fiennes), send a shockwave of fear throughout > the wizard community when their Dark Mark scorches the sky at the Quidditch > World Cup, signaling Voldemort's return to power. But for Harry, this is not > the only harrowing news causing him anxiety - he still has yet to find a > date for Hogwarts' Yule Ball dance. > > Warner Bros. Pictures presents a Heyday Films production of a Mike Newell > film, Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, starring Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert > Grint, Emma Watson, Robbie Coltrane, Ralph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Brendan > Gleeson, Jason Isaacs, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman, Maggie Smith and Timothy > Spall. Directed by Mike Newell, the film is produced by David Heyman from a > screenplay by Steve Kloves, based on the novel by J.K. Rowling. The > executive producers are David Barron and Tanya Seghatchian. The director of > photography is Roger Pratt, BSC; the production designer is Stuart Craig; > the editor is Mick Audsley; the co-producer is Peter MacDonald; the costume > designer is Jany Temime; Hedwig's Theme is composed by John Williams; and > the music is by Patrick Doyle. > > Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment company, will release > the film Harry Potter And The Goblet Of Fire, on November 18, 2005 in the > United States. > > For more information, visit www.harrypottersoundtrack.com > From geebsy at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 00:34:44 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:34:44 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises Message-ID: One thing I noticed was the many bloody cuts on Harry's face after the 1st two events. So what happened to Madam Pomfrey? Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry looked really rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) Roxane....remembering and drooling a little From kfreimu at gmail.com Tue Jan 24 02:54:13 2006 From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:54:13 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <977182740601231854i21f82542n3c52c56f6928541f@mail.gmail.com> On 1/23/06, Roxanne wrote: > > Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry looked > really > rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once > or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) > > Roxane....remembering and drooling a little HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on how he is filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that he was a "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! Krista ....sigh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 03:05:31 2006 From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:05:31 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises References: <977182740601231854i21f82542n3c52c56f6928541f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <129201c62093$09f832a0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* I kept chanting to myself all through the bathroom scene, "he's too young, he's too young"! I'll be 40 on Sunday.... Michelle Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator ----- Original Message ----- From: Krista Freimuth > Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry looked > really > rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once > or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) > > Roxane....remembering and drooling a little HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on how he is filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that he was a "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! Krista ....sigh [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Tue Jan 24 03:55:22 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:55:22 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises Message-ID: <277.3aa798e.3106ff2a@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/06 9:54:51 PM, kfreimu at gmail.com writes: > HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL > I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on how he is > filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that he was a > "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! > Krista ....sigh > Lol my Mom is over 60 and her first words during the bath scene were "Oh Boy he's naked." He is a cutey, but I'll keep my unpure thoughts out of it....lol :-) Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com Tue Jan 24 03:56:33 2006 From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:56:33 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises Message-ID: <1de.4b3078f1.3106ff71@aol.com> In a message dated 1/23/06 10:13:01 PM, gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com writes: > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding me that Dan is jailbait....:-) Amy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From imamommy at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 24 06:06:44 2006 From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:06:44 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <1de.4b3078f1.3106ff71@aol.com> Message-ID: > I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding me that Dan > is jailbait....:-) > > Amy > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I just keep reminding myself, he's got a mummy. How would I feel if some housewife w/ 3 kids was drooling over my teenage son? It works...sometimes ;) Emily From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 04:00:47 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:00:47 -0000 Subject: OoTP Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Peake" wrote: > > Hi, Roxane and Jen, > > Here's a link to Wikipedia's report as to confirmed and unconfirmed > actors for the 5th Harry Potter movie - > http://tinyurl.com/bhlzg > Imelda Staunton is listed as confirmed to play Umbridge. > > Cheers, > Marilyn > http://www.marilynpeake.com What! Robbie Coltrane may not return??? AAAAAAGH! From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 00:19:27 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:19:27 -0000 Subject: kids growing up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think it's one of my favorite things about the movies. I think people are way too concerned about them "looking to old" for future movies. To be honest, The teen years vary widely and from the teenagers I see today, I honestly can tell the difference between 16 year olds and 25 year olds most of the time, except through behaviour. None of the characters are overally old looking for the roles yet, AFAIC, and none look like the type that are suddenly going to be overly developed. Look at the actor for Viktor Krum. I think he really was 18 or so but he could be anywhere from 17 to mid twenties if you ask me. I really wish people weren't so overly concerned about it (people read:press). kchuplis From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 00:11:27 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:11:27 -0000 Subject: What I would have done... Message-ID: I just saw GoF for the third time. I can't say how much I really thought they did a terrific job streamlining story and making it flow. My only quibble is the ending. I just don't understand why they didn't make more of an effort there to set up OoTP. IMO, they've made the transition to capslock!Harry tremendously more difficult for Dan Radcliffe and they did not set up the MoM conflict well at all. And all they would have had to do was some paralell editing during Dumbledore's eulogy for Cedric. Let's not have Harry smack in the middle of the student body, but rather, let's notice his absence. Keep the scene in every other way, including Ron and Hermione and cut in some parallel edits of Harry looking like hell in the hospital wing, perhaps with Molly at his side. Then seque into the scen with DD and Harry in the dorm. Add just one extra line like "We cannot convince the ministry that he's back, but the time has come when we must do what is right, not what is easy" or something similar. Then if we proceed to the ending scene as filmed (in which they did keep Harry from joining in the general goodbye taking, but I would have had him still a bit more separate, thoughtful) up to the point where Hermione says "everything has changed" and finish. That couldn't possibly have been more expensive and I don't think it would have added time and it would have been a much better frame up to OoTP and also really kept that feeling of an ending of the movie on it's own. Arrrrgh! OK, I just had to get that out of my system. kchuplis From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 03:15:27 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:15:27 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <129201c62093$09f832a0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Message-ID: Phew. Glad I am not the only one :D On Monday, January 23, 2006, at 09:05 PM, Michelle Chandler wrote: > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > I kept chanting to myself all through the bathroom scene, "he's too > young, he's too young"! > > I'll be 40 on Sunday.... > > Michelle > Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krista Freimuth > >> Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry >> looked >> really >> rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once >> or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) >> >> Roxane....remembering and drooling a little > > > HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL > I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on > how he is > filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that > he was a > "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! > Krista ....sigh > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 05:00:18 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:00:18 -0000 Subject: movies vs. books. The 4 HP movies... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > The graveyard scene was well done and > Fiennes was spectacular. I loved the intense, almost smouldering > sensuality he used to convey V's return to his body. I watched it for the third time yesterday and enjoyed it the most of my three viewings. Fiennes particularly creeped me out when touching Harry's scar. He was getting practically orgasmic while Harry is screaming in pain. *shudder* My only quibble was the end was too flat for the intensity of the whole denouement. I have posted separately on that. Still, really liked it immensely. kchuplis From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 03:53:27 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:53:27 -0000 Subject: Music in the movies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, nicholas dean wrote: > > >Jen said:- > > > > >Thanks for the run through of the soundtrack. Can I ask, is there a > >name for the music that played as Harry was taken by Moody from the > >maze? I remember that so clearly, how the music seemed to soar with > >great pathos as the camera panned back from the field and up to the > >castle. I thought that was excellent. > > > I don't really know music and movie well enough to be able to put a > scene to a piece at this stage; but you may be referring to a track > called 'Death of Cedric' which is indeed quite poignant. > > > Also, from COS, except for the > >chrashing crescendo, did you like Fawkes' theme? The lovely non- > >crashing parts stay in my memory. > > Yes I do like it; definitely the best thing on the CoS soundtrack. > It's good to ice-skate to; I took my iPod along to the rink last time > and did a few swoops around to it. > > Cheers, > Nicholas > Yes, definitely Death of Cedric. I love that piece. I actually really like the GoF soundtrack. Williams becomes much too much the same after a while. I found that this soundtrack was lucious in all the right places, charming in others and did not ever sound like rehashed Star Wars, which seems to happen from time to time with Williams. I like JW, I really do, but it's nice to have something new. This is defintely the spot to do it since the character of the novels changes at this point too. The main Potter theme is there just enough. I really liked the academic feel of the Hogwart's Hymn. I know some consider Doyle kind of maudlin, but I really felt he had a great touch for this movie. kchuplis From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Tue Jan 24 07:37:41 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:37:41 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <1de.4b3078f1.3106ff71@aol.com> References: <1de.4b3078f1.3106ff71@aol.com> Message-ID: <0a3cfc34bac8ab1aa143d1b0ef85e34d@verizon.net> > > In a message dated 1/23/06 10:13:01 PM, gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com > writes: > > > > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > > > > > I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding me > that Dan > is jailbait....:-) > > Amy Yes, yes, yes. But little fantasy daydreams hurt no one! I was wondering today whether Movie Harry is just too darn cute? Book Harry is usually visually portrayed as rather geeky. GOF Harry (especially in those dress robes!) is anything but!!! Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 17:16:37 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:16:37 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <0a3cfc34bac8ab1aa143d1b0ef85e34d@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > I was > wondering today whether Movie Harry is just too darn cute? Book Harry > is usually visually portrayed as rather geeky. GOF Harry (especially in > those dress robes!) is anything but!!! > Valerie geebsy replies: Do you think Harry is meant to be geeky? Isn't James portayed as a player. The way James went after Lily and how some of the physical discriptions are I thought James was quite good looking. And of course since Harry "Looks just like his dad" I always got the impression he was growing into his looks as well. Movie Dad comes across as more geeky than he should be. It is Hermoine who is much too good looking for the movie. Emma should have had false teeth and a frizzy wig so that her transformation at the ball was that much more spectacular. Roxane > > > From rkdas at charter.net Tue Jan 24 17:57:24 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 17:57:24 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > > I was > > wondering today whether Movie Harry is just too darn cute? Book Harry > > is usually visually portrayed as rather geeky. GOF Harry (especially > in > > those dress robes!) is anything but!!! > > Valerie > > geebsy replies: > Do you think Harry is meant to be geeky? Isn't James portayed as a > player. The way James went after Lily and how some of the physical > discriptions are I thought James was quite good looking. And of course > since Harry "Looks just like his dad" I always got the impression he > was growing into his looks as well. Movie Dad comes across as more > geeky than he should be. It is Hermoine who is much too good looking > for the movie. Emma should have had false teeth and a frizzy wig so > that her transformation at the ball was that much more spectacular. > > Roxane > > >Hi there Roxane, I think Movie Harry is quite nice looking and definitely an action hero where as, Book Harry is a little less put-together. In GOF, he's referred to by Fluer as "zis leetle boy." His hair is often said to be a mess and whilst he has his mother's eyes, he doesn't appear to have the aplomb and confidence of his dad. That may be because we first meet his dad as a 15 year old, a member of the wizarding world, in the know and sure of himself. Harry's not that. I surely hope we see enough of Sirius before his demise to establish that Harry and his dad are different. Just listening to OOTP, you can hear the disappointment in an almost delusional Sirius that Harry's not the crazy risk-taker his dad was. And then you think, his dad didn't have the worst dark wizard ever after him since birth. No, that only came about later. So James can afford to be carefree, happy-go-lucky, arrogant and self-centered as he was at 15. I surely hope we get to see that contrast. And about looks, Dan and Harry are two different people. It comes out so clearly when you see dapper little Dan at the premiers in his shiny suits and his very swishy appearance. Harry is rougher around the edges, carries himself differently, almost, well almost burly. He's got more muscles than Dan (do not know how that works, but he does seem bulkier...). It's a great thing to say that Dan can and does go into character and the two are very well-defined. I love seeing Dan in interviews. He talks a mile a minute and he's so glib! And then you realize how easy he makes it look, to become Harry, a man of much fewer words. We in America are very accustomed to getting our characters and the "stars" who play them mixed up. It's a marketing strategy. I am always very relieved to see Dan has his own person and that it's very different from Harry. Jen D. > > > > > From starjackson1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 18:29:39 2006 From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:29:39 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Very well put Jen! I got quite a shock at the bathroom scene - I have seen GOF four times now, and every single time that scene hits the screen, there are murmurs in the audience. You are just not prepared for it. It's kind of a shock to realize these kids have grown up! They hit puberty! When I look back on the pictures when Dan, Rupert, and Emma first got their roles - they were so small and cute! What happened!?! LOL! I would not be surprised if Dan did a little bit of weight lifting for the much talked about bathroom scene. Actors do that all the time when they have to be naked (or semi-naked) in a movie. And yes, Dan and Harry are two VERY different people. I love Dan to death, but I think Harry is much cuter! > >Hi there Roxane, > I think Movie Harry is quite nice looking and definitely an action > hero where as, Book Harry is a little less put-together. In GOF, > he's referred to by Fluer as "zis leetle boy." His hair is often > said to be a mess and whilst he has his mother's eyes, he doesn't > appear to have the aplomb and confidence of his dad. That may be > because we first meet his dad as a 15 year old, a member of the > wizarding world, in the know and sure of himself. Harry's not that. > I surely hope we see enough of Sirius before his demise to establish > that Harry and his dad are different. Just listening to OOTP, you > can hear the disappointment in an almost delusional Sirius that > Harry's not the crazy risk-taker his dad was. And then you think, > his dad didn't have the worst dark wizard ever after him since > birth. No, that only came about later. So James can afford to be > carefree, happy-go-lucky, arrogant and self-centered as he was at > 15. I surely hope we get to see that contrast. > > And about looks, Dan and Harry are two different people. It comes > out so clearly when you see dapper little Dan at the premiers in his > shiny suits and his very swishy appearance. Harry is rougher around > the edges, carries himself differently, almost, well almost burly. > He's got more muscles than Dan (do not know how that works, but he > does seem bulkier...). It's a great thing to say that Dan can and > does go into character and the two are very well-defined. I love > seeing Dan in interviews. He talks a mile a minute and he's so glib! > And then you realize how easy he makes it look, to become Harry, a > man of much fewer words. We in America are very accustomed to > getting our characters and the "stars" who play them mixed up. It's > a marketing strategy. I am always very relieved to see Dan has his > own person and that it's very different from Harry. > Jen D. > > > > > > > > > From nicholas at adelanta.co.uk Tue Jan 24 19:50:54 2006 From: nicholas at adelanta.co.uk (nicholas dean) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:50:54 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: IMAX / movie runs / DVD extras In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060122143725.00b25bc0@plum.cream.org> References: <4.2.0.58.20060122143725.00b25bc0@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: >Richard said:- >I saw PoA in IMAX (with a bunch of other HPFGU people) when it was on (snip) Richard; I have been keeping an eye on the main IMAX cinema programmes (London, Birmingham etc) but none of them seems to have shown GoF. Do you know if it is likely to come to any of them? British IMAX cinemas seem to concentrate on documentaries specifically made for the format...though I noticed that several were showing 'The Polar Express' over Christmas. > >Richard, who's sad that GoF has now disappeared from his local multiplex >and saw it for what will probably be the last time in the cinema yesterday >- in the company of three other people... I saw it last Monday evening, and the cinema was half full. It was a 7.45 performance on a school day, so the audience was almost entirely adult. I have three multiplexes within a 40-minute drive and last week only one of them (Showcase) was showing GoF, twice per day, late afternoon and evening. This week it will be morning and mid-afternoon...however, the other two multiplexes (Odeon and Cineworld) both showed the film over this past weekend, during the day, presumably aiming for the younger audiences. Showcase, which has continued to show GoF daily, has always been the one which retained the HP movies for a longer run than any of the others. As I recall, PS/SS ran for about four months, lasting until the February half-term. With the GoF DVD due out in March, there's still not much of a wait even if the movie comes off at the end of this week. However, that's by no means certain; Odeon and Cineworld seem to have predetermined runs, no matter how well the tickets are selling...when Cineworld stopped showing GoF daily, their website listed it as their sixth most popular movie of the previous week. Showcase seems to be more flexible; as long as they are selling tickets, they keep showing the film. 'Nanny McPhee', for example, was still showing there after Christmas, weeks after it had disappeared elsewhere. On a different subject; have to agree with some of your points about the DVD extras; CGI is best covered by Cinefex et al, as you say; on the DVD itself, I like the background stuff on stunts, the actors' 'take' on their characters, and the set construction. I do like a director's commentary though, when it is well done. The worst I ever heard was to 'Donnie Darko', which as I recall was the director and several of the actors, who spent the first five minutes saying 'oh my God'. A lot. I switched off. Note to directors; actors may be able to deliver lines, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they can put a sentence together when they don't have a script. Cheers, Nicholas PS Showcase programme just out for next week; GoF continues.... PS...OK, Richard, last week was your last cinema viewing of GoF....how many did you rack up in the end? From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 17:27:07 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:07 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: Message-ID: <002401c6210b$665f0d20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> > > geebsy replies: > Do you think Harry is meant to be geeky? Isn't James portayed as a > player. The way James went after Lily and how some of the physical > discriptions are I thought James was quite good looking. And of course > since Harry "Looks just like his dad" I always got the impression he > was growing into his looks as well. Movie Dad comes across as more > geeky than he should be. It is Hermoine who is much too good looking > for the movie. Emma should have had false teeth and a frizzy wig so > that her transformation at the ball was that much more spectacular. > > Roxane Hermione even says something in (I think) GoF (book) something like "and you've really grown, Harry" or something which in context is pretty clearly "you are becoming somehting to really look at". From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Tue Jan 24 22:21:23 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:21:23 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <0a3cfc34bac8ab1aa143d1b0ef85e34d@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 1/23/06 10:13:01 PM, gardengirlgarden at y... > > writes: > > > > > > > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > > > > > > > > > I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding me > > that Dan > > is jailbait....:-) > > > > Amy > > Yes, yes, yes. But little fantasy daydreams hurt no one! I was > wondering today whether Movie Harry is just too darn cute? Book Harry is usually visually portrayed as rather geeky. GOF Harry (especially in those dress robes!) is anything but!!! > Valerie Is there still room in this line? I feel so grateful not to be the only one here! I feel a little bit like a "dirty girl" noticing Dan's muscles in the Prefect's bathroom scene, but if everyone else is brave enough to mention it, well, I'll fess up too! Lauren From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 24 22:34:17 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:34:17 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: Message-ID: <002701c62136$4f869b10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> ----- Original Message ----- From: "laurenmcoakley" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/23/06 10:13:01 PM, gardengirlgarden at y... > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding > me > > > that Dan > > > is jailbait....:-) > > > > > > Amy > > > > Yes, yes, yes. But little fantasy daydreams hurt no one! I was > > wondering today whether Movie Harry is just too darn cute? Book > Harry is usually visually portrayed as rather geeky. GOF Harry > (especially in those dress robes!) is anything but!!! > > Valerie > > Is there still room in this line? I feel so grateful not to be the > only one here! I feel a little bit like a "dirty girl" noticing > Dan's muscles in the Prefect's bathroom scene, but if everyone else > is brave enough to mention it, well, I'll fess up too! > > Lauren > > > > > To be honest, I think the most adorable shot of him in the whole movie is when he comes upon Hermione and Ron arguing and she tells them both to get to bed and he is just so taken aback, looks at Ron like "now look what you did" and walks off obediently although disgusted. That was such a ... a. man moment. From jellocat at comcast.net Wed Jan 25 03:10:38 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:10:38 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1390 In-Reply-To: <1138117001.514.62651.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: From: "Michelle Chandler" *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* I kept chanting to myself all through the bathroom scene, "he's too young, he's too young"! I'll be 40 on Sunday.... ------------------------- Lol my Mom is over 60 and her first words during the bath scene were "Oh Boy he's naked." He is a cutey, but I'll keep my unpure thoughts out of it....lol :-) Amy I'll join the line if there is room. My husband keeps reminding me that Dan is jailbait....:-) Amy ------------------------------ I just keep reminding myself, he's got a mummy. How would I feel if some housewife w/ 3 kids was drooling over my teenage son? It works...sometimes ;) Emily ----------------- Y'all just crack me up! I'm a lot more than 40 and hey, I'm right in line with ya! Not just for Dan, but Rupert, too. I just LOVE that long, red hair of his... Thank God they're both of legal age or I'd REALLY be worried about myself! LOL! Jellocat From sharon8880 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 15:25:39 2006 From: sharon8880 at yahoo.com (sharon) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:25:39 -0000 Subject: Digest Number 1390 Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Jellocat" wrote: > > From: "Michelle Chandler" SNIP SNIP SNIP > I'll be 40 on Sunday.... Sharon says I'm 40 myself. SNIP SNIP SNIP My husband keeps reminding me that Dan > is jailbait....:-) Sharon says He's only jailbait in the US. In the UK, 16 is the legal age. SNIP SNIP SNIP > Y'all just crack me up! I'm a lot more than 40 and hey, I'm right in line > with ya! Sharon says I'll get in that line too. Dan is just gorgeous. Maybe that's why WB just uses steri-strips for cuts, so as not cover up so much of his face. Sharon From kchuplis at alltel.net Wed Jan 25 19:13:15 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:13:15 -0000 Subject: Harry Potter fountain pen photos Message-ID: I had to show and tell. Stypen in France has made one for each movie, but I have had a real battle getting them! Here is the pen with collector tin and pins for Goblet of Fire http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6419 And then I got the remaining three (not boxed - those are just really hard to come by): http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7053 I'm realllly enjoying them. From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jan 25 19:23:49 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:23:49 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] cuts and bruises Message-ID: <2b2.3753482.31092a45@aol.com> In a message dated 1/25/2006 11:20:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: Is there still room in this line? I feel so grateful not to be the only one here! I feel a little bit like a "dirty girl" noticing Dan's muscles in the Prefect's bathroom scene, but if everyone else is brave enough to mention it, well, I'll fess up too! Lauren You guys only noticed those muscles in the bathroom scene? Where were you during PoA when the wind (or his running, I don't remember which) plastered his t-shirt to his VERY well-defined chest???? And that was two years ago! LOL! Someone commented on how different Harry and Dan are -- yes, I agree, Harry is MUCH better-looking than Dan, when Dan's being his goofy self. When he's goofy, he looks about ten years old again. When he's serious for posed photos, he looks much older. He has a tremendous career as both a leading man and a character actor ahead of him, with him already capable of making himself look SO different when he's "in character." I honestly can't wait to see "December Boys" to see how he manages that character, which he said in some interview I read is a much more constrained character than Harry. (He said Harry's more physically expressive, and Maps is just not that way.) As for the kids aging -- I expected that, but still, that glimpse of underarm fur was a bit of a shock, and when he came out of the lake and his legs were suddenly so hairy (they didn't look like that when he went in or during his swim, so that scene must have been shot much later), that was a surprise. After the Martha Stewart interview where she commented on his beard, I watched the film more closely the next time I saw it, and yes, there's a little shadow of beard just every so often. As for Fleur calling him a "little boy" -- he really was a LOT smaller than the other champions, so he still fit the part. Now that that's over, Dan and Harry can GROW! LOL! Ron's "midget with glasses" line can just be cut, especially since Rupert doesn't tower over Dan the way book!Ron towers over Harry and everyone else. And I've been in the front of that "drooling on Dan" line for a long time, LOL! And I'll be 56 in a week or two. . . Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Wed Jan 25 21:37:59 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:37:59 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] emotions in GoF Message-ID: <2cd.23b415a.310949b7@aol.com> I've been out of town for a while, so I've just been catching up on posts here. I'm really stunned that so many of you don't think GoF was "emotional"!! YIKES! When poor Harry tried to ask Cho to the ball -- the many many attempts prior to bumping into her in the Owlery -- he is SO perfect in his reaction: "Why do they have to travel in packs?" was delivered exactly the way a boy that age would say it under the circumstances. When he finally bumped into Cho in the Owlrey -- that scene is one of my favorites of all the HP scenes. Dan so perfectly portrayed that "I think I'm going to be sick, but I have to do this, but it's so hard, and please, God, let me die before I embarrass myself this way -- why won't the floor just open up and swallow me before she looks at me again?" All that stuff and more crosses his face and is shown in his body language. And when she calls him back, the HOPE on his face, the JOY! And then he does his best to make the best of it. I just love that scene. Ron's anger over Harry's name being in the Goblet is another perfectly wonderful emotional roller coaster, carried throughout several scenes. When they finally make up and Ron thinks his ploy should have been obvious to Harry, and Harry wonders who would ever have understood that Ron was behind that message -- both boys did a marvelous job there! And there was real emotion there too. When Ron came back from humiliating himself while trying to ask Fleur to the ball -- Harry and Hermione's confusion was so real, and Hermione's reaction when she thought Fleur might have actually accepted was perfect! And poor Ron. He looked like he was going to throw up! Harry seemed torn between sympathy, frustration and amusement, all perfect for the scene. As someone said here, Harry's confused reaction to Hermione's sending the boys to their room after the Ball was such a "man" reaction, just perfect! And Hermione and Ron's fight prior to that, and Hermione's collapse on the stairs -- perfect! There are a lot of other such things I could mention, but I'm sure if you think about it, you'll think of them too. "Emotional scenes" don't have to be "big, crying your eyes out" kind of things. I think it's far more telling of the skill of the actors, director and screenwriter if the subtle emotions play out well on the screen. And GoF had that in spades! GoF was my favorite book and is my favorite movie so far! I can't wait for the DVD! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Wed Jan 25 21:53:40 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:53:40 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] emotions in GoF References: <2cd.23b415a.310949b7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c621f9$cd967200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Totally agree. I thought it was very emotional. Lots of good subtext and sorry but don't think the graveyard and return with Cedric's body could have been more emotional. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] emotions in GoF > I've been out of town for a while, so I've just been catching up on posts > here. I'm really stunned that so many of you don't think GoF was "emotional"!! > YIKES! When poor Harry tried to ask Cho to the ball -- the many many > attempts prior to bumping into her in the Owlery -- he is SO perfect in his > reaction: "Why do they have to travel in packs?" was delivered exactly the way a > boy that age would say it under the circumstances. When he finally bumped > into Cho in the Owlrey -- that scene is one of my favorites of all the HP > scenes. Dan so perfectly portrayed that "I think I'm going to be sick, but I have > to do this, but it's so hard, and please, God, let me die before I embarrass > myself this way -- why won't the floor just open up and swallow me before she > looks at me again?" All that stuff and more crosses his face and is shown > in his body language. And when she calls him back, the HOPE on his face, the > JOY! And then he does his best to make the best of it. I just love that > scene. Ron's anger over Harry's name being in the Goblet is another perfectly > wonderful emotional roller coaster, carried throughout several scenes. When > they finally make up and Ron thinks his ploy should have been obvious to > Harry, and Harry wonders who would ever have understood that Ron was behind that > message -- both boys did a marvelous job there! And there was real emotion > there too. When Ron came back from humiliating himself while trying to ask > Fleur to the ball -- Harry and Hermione's confusion was so real, and Hermione's > reaction when she thought Fleur might have actually accepted was perfect! > And poor Ron. He looked like he was going to throw up! Harry seemed torn > between sympathy, frustration and amusement, all perfect for the scene. As > someone said here, Harry's confused reaction to Hermione's sending the boys to > their room after the Ball was such a "man" reaction, just perfect! And > Hermione and Ron's fight prior to that, and Hermione's collapse on the stairs -- > perfect! There are a lot of other such things I could mention, but I'm sure if > you think about it, you'll think of them too. > > "Emotional scenes" don't have to be "big, crying your eyes out" kind of > things. I think it's far more telling of the skill of the actors, director and > screenwriter if the subtle emotions play out well on the screen. And GoF had > that in spades! GoF was my favorite book and is my favorite movie so far! I > can't wait for the DVD! > > Lynda AKA "Abraxan" > > Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 25 22:24:54 2006 From: sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net (Sharon Hawkinson) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:24:54 -0600 Subject: Re; emotions in GoF References: <2cd.23b415a.310949b7@aol.com> <001501c621f9$cd967200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <180001c621fe$2bbfaeb0$210110ac@621B10B> Oh, I totally agree here. When I saw the movie, I was in tears big time seeing the graveyard scene and Harry's return with Cedric's body. My husband said, "What are you crying about?" I tell ya, it got me right in the heart--very emotional. Sharon Totally agree. I thought it was very emotional. Lots of good subtext and sorry but don't think the graveyard and return with Cedric's body could have been more emotional. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] emotions in GoF > I've been out of town for a while, so I've just been catching up on posts > here. I'm really stunned that so many of you don't think GoF was "emotional"!! > YIKES! When poor Harry tried to ask Cho to the ball -- the many many > attempts prior to bumping into her in the Owlery -- he is SO perfect in his > reaction: "Why do they have to travel in packs?" was delivered exactly the way a > boy that age would say it under the circumstances. When he finally bumped > into Cho in the Owlrey -- that scene is one of my favorites of all the HP > scenes. Dan so perfectly portrayed that "I think I'm going to be sick, but I have > to do this, but it's so hard, and please, God, let me die before I embarrass > myself this way -- why won't the floor just open up and swallow me before she > looks at me again?" All that stuff and more crosses his face and is shown > in his body language. And when she calls him back, the HOPE on his face, the > JOY! And then he does his best to make the best of it. I just love that > scene. Ron's anger over Harry's name being in the Goblet is another perfectly > wonderful emotional roller coaster, carried throughout several scenes. When > they finally make up and Ron thinks his ploy should have been obvious to > Harry, and Harry wonders who would ever have understood that Ron was behind that > message -- both boys did a marvelous job there! And there was real emotion > there too. When Ron came back from humiliating himself while trying to ask > Fleur to the ball -- Harry and Hermione's confusion was so real, and Hermione's > reaction when she thought Fleur might have actually accepted was perfect! > And poor Ron. He looked like he was going to throw up! Harry seemed torn > between sympathy, frustration and amusement, all perfect for the scene. As > someone said here, Harry's confused reaction to Hermione's sending the boys to > their room after the Ball was such a "man" reaction, just perfect! And > Hermione and Ron's fight prior to that, and Hermione's collapse on the stairs -- > perfect! There are a lot of other such things I could mention, but I'm sure if > you think about it, you'll think of them too. > > "Emotional scenes" don't have to be "big, crying your eyes out" kind of > things. I think it's far more telling of the skill of the actors, director and > screenwriter if the subtle emotions play out well on the screen. And GoF had > that in spades! GoF was my favorite book and is my favorite movie so far! I > can't wait for the DVD! > > Lynda AKA "Abraxan" > > Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rkdas at charter.net Thu Jan 26 00:08:02 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:08:02 -0000 Subject: Re; emotions in GoF In-Reply-To: <180001c621fe$2bbfaeb0$210110ac@621B10B> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sharon Hawkinson" wrote: > > Oh, I totally agree here. When I saw the movie, I was in tears big time seeing the graveyard scene and Harry's return with Cedric's body. My husband said, "What are you crying about?" I tell ya, it got me right in the heart--very emotional. > > Sharon > > > Totally agree. I thought it was very emotional. Lots of good subtext and > sorry but don't think the graveyard and return with Cedric's body could > have been more emotional. > > > Hi Guys, Emotion in GOF? Hum. Let's see. It's was decided to make GOF a thriller, or at least concentrate on that aspect of the novel. A good choice it seems. Emotions? We know from the graveyard scene on, in the book that things did get very highly charged. But we also know that Book Harry and Movie Harry are somewhat different and face different challenges. I don't think Movie Harry can take the time and energy to experience life as Book Harry does. I was very impressed with the decision to let Dan go for it after the graveyard. Book Harry was almost numb on return and only had his truly emotional moment, brief as it was, with Molly. Now because time was short for end stuff, powers that be put some of that emotion in a place where it made sense. The return makes sense for a show of emotion. (I have the bad habit of equating emotion with crying. My fault- there were many fine examples of Dan's reactions to events that display Harry's emotional state) But the return scene was very fine because as viewers we can identify with the mingled horror and relief that Movie Harry must have felt. My point is that Movie Harry displayed emotion as necessary. There was not the time or maybe not even the motivation for a lot more. But before anyone misunderstands me, I do wish it could have been a longer or even two part set in order to allow us to get more deeply into characters. But, even so, what we got does hold water and for that I am grateful. Jen D. From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Jan 26 04:39:36 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:39:36 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: geeky Harry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3518812dfc3e01a87a9d835f16b189a0@verizon.net> > geebsy replies: > Do you think Harry is meant to be geeky?? Isn't James portayed as a > player. The way James went after Lily and how some of the physical > discriptions are I thought James was quite good looking.? And of > course > since Harry "Looks just like his dad" I always got the impression he > was growing into his looks as well.? Movie Dad comes across as more > geeky than he should be.? It is Hermoine who is much too good looking > for the movie.? Emma should have had false teeth and a frizzy wig so > that her transformation at the ball was that much more spectacular. > > Roxane > I did get the impression that Harry is supposed to be an underdog. He has physical limitations of sight (glasses - having terrible eyesight myself, I know what a handicap this can be). He's been downtrodden in his upbringing. He is described in book as skinny; he's self-effacing...In GOF he definitely feels inferior to "Super-Cedric", Mr. Popular that all the girls swoon over. I think there is a reason that JKR decided to make Harry wear glasses. Not your typical "hero stud". Rather the anti-hero. Similar to Frodo, who though small, destroys the ultimate evil. Is stronger in the end than Aragorn (aka Cedric) or Gandolf (aka Dumbledore) The weak (Harry = good) will overcome the powerful (Voldemort = evil. At least I hope he will! That remains to be seen in Book 7. Am I making any sense here??! Though up till now everyone talks about how Harry resembles his Dad, I still think of OotP, which talks of how he struts and shows off to the girls. I get the impression that Harry is much more like his mother; sweet, considerate, loyal. And yes, I agree that Hermione, instead of Neville, should have had the buck teeth and frizzier hair (a la Professor Trelawny). Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Jan 26 04:51:31 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:51:31 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Geeky Harry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5aa1110e7f871b0308bbea5dce0db77d@verizon.net> > I am always very relieved to see Dan has his > own person and that it's very different from Harry. > Jen D. > Yes, Dan and Harry are very different. Harry seems taller to me (except when he's standing next to a Draco or Cedric). It's funny because soooo many young and (ahem) older females have crushes on Dan Radcliffe, I'm not sure if they are thinking of him or his Harry character. He seems to have a difficult time getting a relationship going. He's made some mention here and there in interviews about the ones he wants don't want him, or that he's not suave with the ladies. He's described by all who've worked with him as "wonderful, sweet, nice, caring, generous". Sounds like Harry actually! But I get the impression that he's more fun-loving than poor tortured Harry. Thank goodness for HIS good childhood! :-) Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Jan 26 05:04:18 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:04:18 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry geeky? In-Reply-To: <002701c62136$4f869b10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> References: <002701c62136$4f869b10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <130ed6a1e8d1f180f5b20d46b6c9117d@verizon.net> > To be honest, I think the most adorable shot of him in the whole > movie is > when he comes upon Hermione and Ron arguing and she tells them both > to get > to bed and he is just so taken aback, looks at Ron like "now look > what you > did" and walks off obediently although disgusted. That was such a?? > ...? a. > man moment. > OK, yes, Dan-in-the-tub was quite cute. Dunno about the weight lifting because he said he shot that scene when he was 14 and wasn't as filled out as he is now. I thought it was adorable how, though he was in the bath and Moaning Myrtle was teasing the poor kid mercilessly, LOL, he still looked like a kid when he came up out of the water with his hair all plastered to his face. Not very suave or self-aware. Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Jan 26 05:29:21 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:29:21 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re; emotions in GoF In-Reply-To: <180001c621fe$2bbfaeb0$210110ac@621B10B> References: <2cd.23b415a.310949b7@aol.com> <001501c621f9$cd967200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <180001c621fe$2bbfaeb0$210110ac@621B10B> Message-ID: <19e37ff8d0312998e1b8a4dfce4d6998@verizon.net> On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Sharon Hawkinson wrote: > Oh, I totally agree here. When I saw the movie, I was in tears big > time seeing the graveyard scene and Harry's return with Cedric's body. > My husband said, "What are you crying about?" I tell ya, it got me > right in the heart--very emotional. > > Sharon Yes, there were many many sniffles in the theatre when Cedric was brought back. Now, if a Harry Potter movie can make grown people cry, I think it's a sure winner! Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 26 06:27:24 2006 From: sweetnightingale at sbcglobal.net (Sharon Hawkinson) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 00:27:24 -0600 Subject: Re; emotions in GoF References: <2cd.23b415a.310949b7@aol.com> <001501c621f9$cd967200$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <180001c621fe$2bbfaeb0$210110ac@621B10B> <19e37ff8d0312998e1b8a4dfce4d6998@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000801c62241$926bba30$210110ac@621B10B> Yeah, I know what you mean. I saw it twice--once in the regular theater and once in IMAX. Both times I blubbered, and there were sniffles in the theater both times. It just really got me to see Harry just sobbing his heart out like that. Man, what a powerful scene. And imagine the feeling of loss Harry must have felt at seeing his parents one last time, knowing that they were protecting him one last time. Wowzers! Sharon Yes, there were many many sniffles in the theatre when Cedric was brought back. Now, if a Harry Potter movie can make grown people cry, I think it's a sure winner! Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 21:41:33 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:41:33 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... Message-ID: Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed a little surprised, and very flattered. I don't know if it's the script, or the ever growing maturity of these young actors that has truly made Goblet of Fire my favorite HP movie to date. Probably a little bit of both. And I shall go on record saying that I was really afraid of all the children's new long-haired styles before seeing the movie. I stand correcting myself- I love all of their hairstyles now, and it will be really interesting to see what they do with Dan's hair this time...if I'm not mistaken, it probably hasn't had enough time to grow to where it was in GoF, having cut it for December Boys. Lauren From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 27 00:26:11 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:26:11 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" > wrote: > > > > Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan > > has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how > > surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted > > in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when > > Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and > > humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went > > pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were > > Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed > > a little surprised, and very flattered. > SNIPPED A BIT... > > Lauren > > Lauren, > I echo your sentiments concerning the Phelps twins. To me, they added > so much to this film. All I can say is they are the perfect comic > relief! I think who ever writes for them gives them wonderful banter, > and the twins'timing is impeccable! They are the perfect cinematic > compliment to Book Fred and George! My favorite line: at the first > task "Well done Dragon!" One of the things that makes this movie so > satisfying is that Mike Newell used his assets that were already in > place. And while Cuaron gave us a glimpse of what the twins could do > (remember the gifting of the marauder's map?) Newell saw a good thing > and ran with it (as he did with Rupert who also demonstrated at a new > level, his natural comic abilities!) > Yea Phelps twins! > Jen D. who thinks Dan is a HIT (Hunk in training...)> > From geebsy at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 19:35:02 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:35:02 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > > Jen D. who thinks Dan is a HIT (Hunk in training...)> geebsy concurs: Dan is a bit HIT with me too. I love that--"Hunk in training". BTW I'm 46 (almost 47) and really like that we have a great conga line of admirers. Roxane From geebsy at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 20:03:02 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:03:02 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan > has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how > surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted > in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when > Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and > humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went > pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were > Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed > a little surprised, and very flattered. > > Lauren geebsy asks: Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. (One of Alan's funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked up his sleeves and when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all be in the library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why Hermione gives him her work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO not Hermione. Roxane From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 20:26:00 2006 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060127202600.49041.qmail@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan > has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how > surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted > in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when > Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and > humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went > pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were > Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed > a little surprised, and very flattered. > > Lauren geebsy asks: Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. (One of Alan's funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked up his sleeves and when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all be in the library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why Hermione gives him her work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO not Hermione. Roxane Crystal: Yea I also loved the way Fred asked I would have definitly have said yes. I'm not sure either where they are and what they were doing. I don't think it could have been class because Fred and George are in their year and I don't think it was detention with all those people... and I have no idea why snape is there... I think the sceen was done that way to be funny. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Jan 27 20:54:20 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:54:20 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... References: Message-ID: <003c01c62383$d8a3a8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> ----- Original Message ----- From: "geebsy" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" > wrote: > > > > Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan > > has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how > > surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted > > in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when > > Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and > > humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went > > pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were > > Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed > > a little surprised, and very flattered. > > > > Lauren > > geebsy asks: > Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks > Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what > were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. (One of Alan's > funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked up his sleeves and > when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all be in the > library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why Hermione gives him her > work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO not Hermione. > > Roxane > I thought it was like a study hall. From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Jan 27 21:22:22 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:22:22 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... References: <003c01c62383$d8a3a8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <001301c62387$c35d3320$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "geebsy" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:03 PM > Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... > > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, while we're all here in line gossiping about how handsome Dan > > > has gotten in this last film, I thought I'd also bring up how > > > surprisingly dashing Fred & George (or James & Oliver Phelps) acted > > > in this film. I couldn't deny (even to my husband- horror!) when > > > Fred (James) asked Angelina to the ball (in that so very bold and > > > humorous way) and then turned to give Ron a wink, my heart went > > > pitter patter! So handsome, and so expertly executed! If I were > > > Angelina, I'm sure my response would have been the same- she seemed > > > a little surprised, and very flattered. > > > > > > Lauren > > > > geebsy asks: > > Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks > > Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what > > were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. (One of Alan's > > funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked up his sleeves and > > when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all be in the > > library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why Hermione gives him her > > work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO not Hermione. > > > > Roxane > > > > I thought it was like a study hall. > BTW, it is one of my favorite scenes. I love how Harry tries to stop Ron from putting his foot in his mouth and Snape's reprimands (paying off the third time with the big shove - yeah for the 3x comedy rule) is soooo funny (to me). From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 22:51:09 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:51:09 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > geebsy asks: > Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks > Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what > were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. (One of Alan's > funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked up his sleeves and > when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all be in the > library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why Hermione gives him her > work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO not Hermione. > > Roxane > and now Lauren: I thought this scene was taking place at Study Hall. If I can remember my high school days, Study Hall was where they stuck you if you had a "free" period, and it was kids of all ages. Usually though, you would do some work you had already (maybe Hermione was handing in an assignment he gave her in Potions class while he just- so-happened to be monitoring study hall??) Now I'm a little confused too... From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 23:11:16 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:11:16 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: <001301c62387$c35d3320$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: SNIP SNIP SNIP > > > BTW, it is one of my favorite scenes. I love how Harry tries to stop Ron > from putting his foot in his mouth and Snape's reprimands (paying off the > third time with the big shove - yeah for the 3x comedy rule) is soooo funny > (to me). > And now Lauren: I loved how Snape got a chance to actually be in a comedy situation! Though Snape is not out of character, instead of feeling like he's out to constantly make trouble for these boys, you see it from the side that they are making trouble for themselves (as described in the books...these boys are no angels- academically or otherwise!) Another reason to love them... I have always had a soft spot for the "bad boy". <> Oh right, I was talking about Snape. Yes, Snape was funny for a change. I enjoyed it. And Dan is a cutey. From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 23:13:06 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:13:06 -0000 Subject: Have we chased all of our male post-ers away? Message-ID: With all of this "girl talk"? Sorry guys! Lauren From rkdas at charter.net Fri Jan 27 23:20:47 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:20:47 -0000 Subject: Have we chased all of our male post-ers away? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > With all of this "girl talk"? Sorry guys! > > Lauren Hi Lauren, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we had chased away the guys. How can we get back to something that both sexes can participate in rather than the unbridled "beefcake/owning up to our ages talk?" I miss the guys. Jen D. who thinks film theory and HP are both exhilarating subjects! > From swartell at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 03:09:51 2006 From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:09:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: <20060127202600.49041.qmail@web37003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060128030951.46098.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com> --- Crystal Williams wrote: > > Lauren > > geebsy asks: > Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the > way Fred asks > Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people > together, what > were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. > (One of Alan's > funniest moments by the way--I loved how he tucked > up his sleeves and > when after Ron and Harry). I thought they might all > be in the > library but it doesn't explain Snape, or why > Hermione gives him her > work. Can't possibly be detention--could it--NOOO > not Hermione. > > Roxane > > > Crystal: > > Yea I also loved the way Fred asked I would have > definitly have said yes. I'm not sure either where > they are and what they were doing. I don't think it > could have been class because Fred and George are in > their year and I don't think it was detention with > all those people... and I have no idea why snape is > there... I think the sceen was done that way to be > funny. > > > I may have gotten the atributions above mixed up 0 sorry if I did that. I had rather assumed it was study hall - a period during the school day when students who don't have a specfic class to attend can sit and work on homework/school projects. It is (or was) a fairly common part of the secondary education schedule when I was in high school (nearly 40 years ago.) It tended to be characterized by kids goofing off and a teacher patrolling to keep the goofing off under control. (I couldn't ever get any work done there, so I'd take advantage of bein in the Library club to go to the library and shelve - and read - books.) Mixed grades were not uncommon. Don't know how common it is these days, or how common it ever was outside my part of the US. It's never appeared in the books - in fact the sixth years in HBP are explicitly left to their own devices between scheduled classes. I think comic effect was the main goal. I loved the twins in this scene, but personally I thought Snape's behavior was way out of line with his character. He can be mean and nasty, but he has always been physically aloof, and having him wandering around smacking kids just didn't fit my conception of the character at all. My impression of the character as Rickman portrays him is that he avoids any form of connection - including physical contact - with others. I haven't seen the movies nearly as often as many of you, though, so that may be my bias from my reading of the books coloring what I remember from the films. Sue, in Ohio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 03:20:04 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:20:04 -0000 Subject: Something else to talk about Message-ID: So, I recently viewed some pictures on veritaserum.com, and saw Emma Watson with her stand-in, who really does look a lot like her. http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displayimage.php?album=194&pos=15 I also viewed a photo of Rupert with his stand in, who, at least facially, does not (IMO) look very much like Rupert. http://wickedschmuck.zftp.com/RGMS_ORG_2005_decio_grint.jpg (From www.RGMS.org) And that is a wig his stand-in is wearing, BTW. Does someone have any idea what it is that a stand-in does exactly? I undertand fully what a STUNT double is, but not a body double or stand in. Lauren From rkdas at charter.net Sat Jan 28 03:43:36 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 03:43:36 -0000 Subject: Something else to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > So, I recently viewed some pictures on veritaserum.com, and saw Emma > Watson with her stand-in, who really does look a lot like her. > http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displayimage.php? album=194&pos=15 > I also viewed a photo of Rupert with his stand in, who, at least > facially, does not (IMO) look very much like Rupert. > http://wickedschmuck.zftp.com/RGMS_ORG_2005_decio_grint.jpg (From > www.RGMS.org) And that is a wig his stand-in is wearing, BTW. > > Does someone have any idea what it is that a stand-in does exactly? I > undertand fully what a STUNT double is, but not a body double or stand > in. > > Lauren Hi Lauren, It's my understanding that a stand-in takes the place of the actor for things like lighting checks, tedious bits that would wear down the actor if he/she had to do that plus all the acting stuff. . Jen D From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Jan 28 03:46:34 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:46:34 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: <20060128030951.46098.qmail@web53206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 09:09 PM, Sue Wartell wrote: > > > I loved the twins in this scene, but personally I > thought Snape's behavior was way out of line with his > character. He can be mean and nasty, but he has > always been physically aloof, and having him wandering > around smacking kids just didn't fit my conception of > the character at all. My impression of the character > as Rickman portrays him is that he avoids any form of > connection - including physical contact - with others. > I haven't seen the movies nearly as often as many of > you, though, so that may be my bias from my reading of > the books coloring what I remember from the films. I think that this was a particularly "British" scene. I have a feeling that this might have been a typical scene in an older British school. That was something I loved about the last two films but particularly this one is that it had a very Etonian feel (or my impression of such from reading British novesl anyway) about it. I've never felt that Snape would connect in an affectionate way, but I certainly wouldn't put this past him :D From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Jan 28 03:49:59 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:49:59 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Something else to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <279F518C-8FB1-11DA-BE50-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> Wow. Emma's stand in does look like her. I believe stand in's are often used for measuring light, filling in when you need the person not full face when maybe the person needs to be elsewhere or (these kids can only film 4 hours a day) for shooting scenes where they aren't clearly seen but can fill out a filming day. I'm sure there are many uses. On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 09:20 PM, laurenmcoakley wrote: > So, I recently viewed some pictures on veritaserum.com, and saw Emma > Watson with her stand-in, who really does look a lot like her. > http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displayimage.php?album=194&pos=15 > I also viewed a photo of Rupert with his stand in, who, at least > facially, does not (IMO) look very much like Rupert. > http://wickedschmuck.zftp.com/RGMS_ORG_2005_decio_grint.jpg (From > www.RGMS.org) And that is a wig his stand-in is wearing, BTW. > > Does someone have any idea what it is that a stand-in does exactly? I > undertand fully what a STUNT double is, but not a body double or stand > in. > > Lauren > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 06:12:23 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:12:23 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I add: Sigh. Add me to the queue, too. And I'll be 40 in just two and a half weeks. My husband thinks it's funny. Diana L. dianasdolls Karen wrote: > Phew. Glad I am not the only one :D Michelle Chandler wrote: > > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > > > I kept chanting to myself all through the bathroom scene, "he's too > > young, he's too young"! > > > > I'll be 40 on Sunday.... > > > > Michelle From: Krista Freimuth > > > >> Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry looked really rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) Roxane....remembering and drooling a little Krista wrote: > > HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL > > I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on > > how he is > > filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that > > he was a > > "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! > > Krista ....sigh From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 06:21:27 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:21:27 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <002701c62136$4f869b10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: Karen writes: > > > To be honest, I think the most adorable shot of him in the whole movie is > when he comes upon Hermione and Ron arguing and she tells them both to get > to bed and he is just so taken aback, looks at Ron like "now look what you > did" and walks off obediently although disgusted. That was such a ... a. > man moment. > I reply: Oh, I LOVE that moment. The scene is so well-played. It makes me laugh every time I see it - and I saw the movie seven times in the theater. Harry/Dan is so adorable in those dress robes. I bought the Robert Tonner doll of Dan in that outfit and simply have to ruffle his hair up nearly everyday as I walk by the doll in my living room. :) Diana L. dianasdolls From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 06:49:18 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:49:18 -0000 Subject: Mistakes on the GoF soundtrack Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed the big goof-up on the GoF soundtrack? Or is it just some of them that are messed up? Track four on mine is titled "The Dark Mark", yet the opening few minutes of this track is actually the music played when the Durmstrang students enter the Great Hall, which then immediately goes into the music played during the riot/Dark Mark scenes at the QWC. Where that music should be, at the end of track five "Foreign Vistors Arrive", it isn't there, so it wasn't duplicated on the CD. Instead it was just plopped onto the beginning of the wrong track. Anyone else have this mistake on their CD? Diana L. dianasdolls From dianasdolls at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 06:55:26 2006 From: dianasdolls at yahoo.com (Diana) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 06:55:26 -0000 Subject: Warners hinting at rereleasing first 3 HP movies w/extras! Message-ID: Warner Home Video has announced the DVD release date for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire will be March 7th 2006, not April 4th as previously reported. The Goblet of Fire DVD will be a two disc set and will finally offer a decent set of extras (a first for a Harry Potter DVD I think). The DVD extras for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire include: Commentary with Mike Newell Deleted Scenes Behind the Scenes Set Top Games and Activities - including the Triwizard Tournament Challenge [WHOOOHOOO TO THIS TIDBIT!] There has also been some talk of an extra 15 minutes of footage to be included on the DVD. If this release proves successful (can there be any real doubt?), Warner Brothers have hinted that they will most likely re-release the previous three movies to include commentaries and other such extras. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is based on J K Rowling's fourth Harry Potter book and center's on Harry Potter's unwilling entry into the Tri-Wizard Tournament. Here's the link: http://www.sflare.com/archives/harry-potter-and-the-goblet-of-fire- dvd-release-date-and-details/ Diana L. dianasdolls From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Jan 28 15:03:45 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:03:45 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Warners hinting at rereleasing first 3 HP movies w/extras! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47494B22-900F-11DA-8EED-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> I've never understood why they took the Draco/Lucius bit out of Knockturn Alley in CoS. They filmed it and it gave a reason for Harry turning up over there. They should sure put that back. Good to hear that they are stepping up the extras. I can't stand that talking head thing interviewing in PoA. On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Diana wrote: > Warner Home Video has announced the DVD release date for Harry > Potter and the Goblet of Fire will be March 7th 2006, not April 4th > as previously reported. The Goblet of Fire DVD will be a two disc > set and will finally offer a decent set of extras (a first for a > Harry Potter DVD I think). > > The DVD extras for Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire include: > > Commentary with Mike Newell > Deleted Scenes > Behind the Scenes > Set Top Games and Activities - including the Triwizard Tournament > Challenge > > [WHOOOHOOO TO THIS TIDBIT!] > There has also been some talk of an extra 15 minutes of footage to > be included on the DVD. If this release proves successful (can there > be any real doubt?), Warner Brothers have hinted that they will most > likely re-release the previous three movies to include commentaries > and other such extras. > > Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire is based on J K Rowling's fourth > Harry Potter book and center's on Harry Potter's unwilling entry > into the Tri-Wizard Tournament. > > Here's the link: > http://www.sflare.com/archives/harry-potter-and-the-goblet-of-fire- > dvd-release-date-and-details/ > > Diana L. > dianasdolls > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Jan 28 15:00:16 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:00:16 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Mistakes on the GoF soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, The Dark Mark is immediately the "chase" sounding music. However, The Quidditch World Cup is immediately before it and you do hear the Durmstrang music in it. I think you are just hearing that. On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Diana wrote: > Has anyone else noticed the big goof-up on the GoF soundtrack? Or is > it just some of them that are messed up? Track four on mine is > titled "The Dark Mark", yet the opening few minutes of this track is > actually the music played when the Durmstrang students enter the Great > Hall, which then immediately goes into the music played during the > riot/Dark Mark scenes at the QWC. Where that music should be, at the > end of track five "Foreign Vistors Arrive", it isn't there, so it > wasn't duplicated on the CD. Instead it was just plopped onto the > beginning of the wrong track. > > Anyone else have this mistake on their CD? > > Diana L. > dianasdolls > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sat Jan 28 15:56:01 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:56:01 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I reply: > > Oh, I LOVE that moment.? The scene is so well-played.? It makes me > laugh every time I see it - and I saw the movie seven times in the > theater.? Harry/Dan is so adorable in those dress robes.? I bought > the Robert Tonner doll of Dan in that outfit and simply have to > ruffle his hair up nearly everyday as I walk by the doll in my > living room.? :) > > Diana L. > dianasdolls > > Yes, I am also in the "40-something" Dan Fan crowd. Think we're going > through a mid-life crisis here? Ha! At work I have posted the picture of Dan in his dress robes and that great shot at the end of the film when he has that 1/2 smile on his face looking at everyone saying their goodbyes. I'm sure my co-workers think I am just as silly as my husband does. He just shakes his head...My Potter obsession makes me happy, so they'll just have to live with it! Valerie PS. I just found out that there is a 2 week 'Summer at Hogwarts' Girl Scout camp being offered to my girls. I'm going to sign them up. Wish I could go, or staff, but I have to work. :-( [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 16:01:16 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:01:16 -0000 Subject: Movie soundtracks Message-ID: I haven't bought an instrumental movie soundtrack since 1977 when I bought the Star Wars double album because back then I had never seen or heard anything like that movie and I needed to be a part of it. It sounds like many of you own HP soundtracks. Do you find the music something you really like and listen to? I actually don't listen to music much anymore except as background when I putz around the house and then usually the satellite is tuned to the RockAlternative station. When I work out I listen to Talking Books. I'm intrigued how some of you have reviewed the music. Anyone care to talk me through some of the recurring themes I should listen to when I rewatch the movies? Roxane From kchuplis at alltel.net Sat Jan 28 16:36:12 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:36:12 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Movie soundtracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <31A77C64-901C-11DA-88CC-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> I only have PoA and GoF of the Potter movies. I really like the soundtrack for GoF. A LOT. It saved my workday yesterday as I had to edit a very boring customer service manual. It made it an enjoyable task to have GoF in the background. I absolutely LOVE the Durmstrang music. However, maybe my two favorite tracks are The Black Lake and Death of Cedric. Hard to choose though because I love the Hogwart's Hymn too. Such lovely suspensions in the cadences. Does anyone recommend the first two soundtracks at all? PoA is good, but its not as attractive to me as GoF. I own lots of soundtracks and love listening to them, especially when working or working out. I just usually get more gumption from them. I actually love my Seabiscuit soundtrack almost above all others. I agree that Star Wars was the "breakout" soundtrack. I wore that album as well as Close Encounters OUT. The key to recognizing themes, I think, is just to do a lot of listening. Then when you go back to the movie, they will begin to pop out at you. I can't recommend an iPod shuffle enough as an inexpensive way to keep two or three soundtracks with you at all times :D On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, geebsy wrote: > I haven't bought an instrumental movie soundtrack since 1977 when I > bought the Star Wars double album because back then I had never seen > or heard anything like that movie and I needed to be a part of it. It > sounds like many of you own HP soundtracks. Do you find the music > something you really like and listen to? I actually don't listen to > music much anymore except as background when I putz around the house > and then usually the satellite is tuned to the RockAlternative > station. When I work out I listen to Talking Books. I'm intrigued > how some of you have reviewed the music. Anyone care to talk me > through some of the recurring themes I should listen to when I rewatch > the movies? > > Roxane > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 16:50:44 2006 From: crystal_of_ravenclaw at yahoo.com (Crystal Williams) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:50:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060128165044.8205.qmail@web37013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > I reply: > > Oh, I LOVE that moment. The scene is so well-played. It makes me > laugh every time I see it - and I saw the movie seven times in the > theater. Harry/Dan is so adorable in those dress robes. I bought > the Robert Tonner doll of Dan in that outfit and simply have to > ruffle his hair up nearly everyday as I walk by the doll in my > living room. :) > > Diana L. > dianasdolls > > Yes, I am also in the "40-something" Dan Fan crowd. Think we're going > through a mid-life crisis here? Ha! At work I have posted the picture of Dan in his dress robes and that great shot at the end of the film when he has that 1/2 smile on his face looking at everyone saying their goodbyes. I'm sure my co-workers think I am just as silly as my husband does. He just shakes his head...My Potter obsession makes me happy, so they'll just have to live with it! Valerie PS. I just found out that there is a 2 week 'Summer at Hogwarts' Girl Scout camp being offered to my girls. I'm going to sign them up. Wish I could go, or staff, but I have to work. :-( Crystal: Wow i'm like only 15 here. Where is this camp at? and what are they gonna do there? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jellocat at comcast.net Sat Jan 28 17:43:07 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:43:07 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1394 In-Reply-To: <1138468800.1033.8262.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: geebsy concurs: Dan is a bit HIT with me too. I love that--"Hunk in training". BTW I'm 46 (almost 47) and really like that we have a great conga line of admirers. -------------------- LOL! I'm 47 and well agree with everyone here about Dan (and Rupert and the twins...). -------------------- geebsy asks: Can anyone explain about that scene. I liked the way Fred asks Angelina to the ball, but why were all those people together, what were they doing and why was Snape monitering them. -------------------- I had read somewhere that they were in a study hall where they could all go in and do their studies, something like that. I guess it might be a British thing. But the best reason I heard was so Newell could have them all in one room, go through something that takes pages and pages in the book, and offer some comic relief as well. -------------------- Lauren asks: Does someone have any idea what it is that a stand-in does exactly? I undertand fully what a STUNT double is, but not a body double or stand in. -------------------- A stand-in helps in blocking out scenes so that the actors don't have to do it. They'll also "stand-in" for the actor for scenes that are unnecessary for the actors to be in as well. But most of the time, it's so the cameras can set up the shots or for lighting to be set, etc. Jellocat From alchemillalady at aol.com Sat Jan 28 23:02:07 2006 From: alchemillalady at aol.com (alchemillalady) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:02:07 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall Message-ID: I saw or heard Dan say in an interview that he had not been working out prior to filming the Bath scene, but began working out several months afterwards. I heard the Study Hall scene being called'homework club' in some interviews; perhaps that is the UK term for 'study hall'? Actually I found it believeable that Snape would forefully redirect their heads to their books, but smacking them was too far out of character. I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey the British Boarding school environment included the notion that these closed environments could be rather brutal. Teachers did not refrain from physical punishment (some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can be (such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is taunting Harry, including Cedric's friends). --alchemilla From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 13:19:44 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:19:44 -0000 Subject: Movie soundtracks In-Reply-To: <31A77C64-901C-11DA-88CC-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> Message-ID: I own many soundtracks, including All 4 Harry Potter Movie soundtracks. I enjoy certain soundtracks because of the mood hey put me in, like the "American Beauty" soundtrack is very nice and mellow- reminds me of dinner music. I like The Lost Boys Soundtrack, as well as some other 80's movies (Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles), when I'm feeling nostalgic (I was a teenager back in those days). I love the Almost Famous Soundtrack, and I listened to The Father of The Bride Soundtrack going up to and including my wedding day...the list of my soundtrack collection, and the mood each one means to me is very varied. Not all soundtracks are worth buying, however! More than once I have watched a movie and loved at least a few of the songs to find that the songs are not on there, replaced with some crappy other songs that I didn't even recall in the movie! My Harry Potter soundtracks seem to take me into many moods. My most favorite is PoA, its upbeat songs, like Aunt Marge's Waltz (LOVE IT) and the The Whomping Willow and the The Snowball Fight are just tons of fun. My favorite 'slower" song on this soundtrack is A Window Into The Past. Very introspective. Reminds me of the Lord of The Flies Soundtrack. I must admit, I haven't cracked open yet my GoF soundtrack (well, I just popped it in for the first time, actually). It's ok so far, but I'm finding the Quidditch World Cup to be a little (IMO) too bare. You must understand, I'm a music student from way back, and have probably had my views of music tainted by my very influential high school music teacher. I am undeniably subjective when it comes to John Williams. I think he is GENIUS. So of COURSE I'd recommend the first two soundtracks too! SS is (what I think) the rest of all the following HP soundtracks are based from. The Prologue is the familiar Harry Potter opening song that we are all acostomed to hearing at the beginning of each film (except GoF, of course). Harry's Wondrous World, track 2 is great- it is very upbeat- you feel like you are being carried off to some fantastic place. And Hedwig's Theme is another one brought through all the different movie soundtracks. I wonder though, if your preference if for GoF, then you might not enjoy the first two soundtracks, because the songs are much in the same style as JW (and therefore PoA). Lauren --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen Chuplis wrote: > > I only have PoA and GoF of the Potter movies. I really like the > soundtrack for GoF. A LOT. It saved my workday yesterday as I had to > edit a very boring customer service manual. It made it an enjoyable > task to have GoF in the background. I absolutely LOVE the Durmstrang > music. However, maybe my two favorite tracks are The Black Lake and > Death of Cedric. Hard to choose though because I love the Hogwart's > Hymn too. Such lovely suspensions in the cadences. > > Does anyone recommend the first two soundtracks at all? PoA is good, > but its not as attractive to me as GoF. > > I own lots of soundtracks and love listening to them, especially when > working or working out. I just usually get more gumption from them. I > actually love my Seabiscuit soundtrack almost above all others. I agree > that Star Wars was the "breakout" soundtrack. I wore that album as well > as Close Encounters OUT. The key to recognizing themes, I think, is > just to do a lot of listening. Then when you go back to the movie, > they will begin to pop out at you. I can't recommend an iPod shuffle > enough as an inexpensive way to keep two or three soundtracks with you > at all times :D > > > > On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 10:01 AM, geebsy wrote: > > > I haven't bought an instrumental movie soundtrack since 1977 when I > > bought the Star Wars double album because back then I had never seen > > or heard anything like that movie and I needed to be a part of it. It > > sounds like many of you own HP soundtracks. Do you find the music > > something you really like and listen to? I actually don't listen to > > music much anymore except as background when I putz around the house > > and then usually the satellite is tuned to the RockAlternative > > station. When I work out I listen to Talking Books. I'm intrigued > > how some of you have reviewed the music. Anyone care to talk me > > through some of the recurring themes I should listen to when I rewatch > > the movies? > > > > Roxane > > > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > > material from posts to which you're replying! From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 13:31:29 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:31:29 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alchemillalady" wrote: > SNIP >I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey the British Boarding school >environment included the notion that these closed environments could >be rather brutal. Teachers did not refrain from physical punishment >(some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes >horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can be >(such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is taunting >Harry, including Cedric's friends). > > --alchemilla And now Lauren: Is this really ONLY characteristic of British boarding schools? I went to school in the states, and before there were laws about teachers handing out corporal punishment, I seem to remember being hit on the hand with a ruler once. And kids being horribly cruel to each other I think occurs in every school environment... I remember some that were horribly cruel to me... I went to public school, by the way. From geebsy at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 14:11:43 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:11:43 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alchemillalady" > wrote: > > > > > SNIP > >I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey the British Boarding school > >environment included the notion that these closed environments could > >be rather brutal. Teachers did not refrain from physical punishment > >(some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes > >horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can be > >(such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is taunting > >Harry, including Cedric's friends). > > > > --alchemilla > > And now Lauren: > Is this really ONLY characteristic of British boarding schools? I > went to school in the states, and before there were laws about > teachers handing out corporal punishment, I seem to remember being hit > on the hand with a ruler once. And kids being horribly cruel to each > other I think occurs in every school environment... I remember some > that were horribly cruel to me... I went to public school, by the way. > geebsy replies: Being very much an anglophile I certainly know that British Boarding school (and university) life could be very harsh. "Tom Brown's School Days" was certainly horrible thanks to Flashman--the Draco of that story. And I remember getting the strap when I was in grade 4 or 5 (Canada, British Columbia circa 1967-69). Snapes attitude in this particular scene was less sadistic and more exasperated. You know, more--"how many times do I have to remind you not to talk?" The rule of comedy says "THREE!" BTW I'm smiling as I write this 'cause I think it is such a good scene, I just didn't quite understand why they were all together like that. I know about homework clubs, but in the context of the books it didn't make sense, as they should have been in their common room.I now see how well Mike Newell's heritage translated to the screen. Roxane From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Jan 29 14:35:40 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:35:40 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <20060128165044.8205.qmail@web37013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060128165044.8205.qmail@web37013.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1ffe4d9e682dfabcf5dc77ac0ba91b69@verizon.net> > ??? Crystal: > ?? > ? Wow i'm like only 15 here. Where is this camp at? and what are they > gonna do there? > It's in Virginia, near Washington, DC. It's actually a day camp from 9:30 to 3:30. For 2nd to 9th graders. Description: Join your favorite wizard, Harry Potter, for summer at Hogwarts. Come dressed as your favorite character on Harry Potter Day. Stop at Fortescue's Ice Cream Parlour in Diagon Alley to make your own ice cream. Learn the Hogwart's theme song. Be the first to find Ron's pet Scabbers and your house will win a jar of Every Flavor Beans (yuck! Have you actually tried those. The spinach and ear wax ones...foul!) Sounds like fun to me! :-) Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Sun Jan 29 15:58:25 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:58:25 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7eec28f6fa99d8215402539067e87c65@verizon.net> > (some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes > horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can > be?(such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is > taunting Harry, including Cedric's friends). > --alchemilla I found that particular scene to be very well played. Poor Harry just went from one bad scene to another (Potter stinks; Cedric's taunting friends; Ron; Draco. It's like he had no where to turn... I liked how Cedric was surrounded by his admirers, almost holding court. He grinned when his buddies were giving Harry grief, then sobered up and told Harry that he told his friends not to wear the buttons. That showed that, though he was 'Mr. Popular', he was truly a decent guy. Poor Cedric! That made the ending all the more heart-breaking! > > > And now Lauren: > > Is this really ONLY characteristic of British boarding schools?? I > > went to school in the states, and before there were laws about > > teachers handing out corporal punishment, I seem to remember being > hit on the hand with a ruler once. I went to public school in France for 3 years and it was torture!!! Quite a culture shock from the lax U.S. schools. I was 9-11 yrs. old and in that time was publicly ridiculed, slapped, spanked, had my braids yanked, and was pushed into a chalkboard...by the teacher, who was also the prinicipal. And I considered myself a very good girl!!! She should not have been allowed to teach, in my opinion. Valerie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Jan 29 16:37:20 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:37:20 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <84357462-90E5-11DA-A205-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 05:02 PM, alchemillalady wrote: > I saw or heard Dan say in an interview that he had not been working out > prior to filming the Bath scene, but began working out several months > afterwards. > As physical as the roles are, I would imagine the youngsters wouldn't have to work out. You can't imagine how often they do things over and over. As you get older, you can't just let that be a sole means of fitness, but I would guess at that age it's as good as working out. Back in my salad days I did a lot of theater (which you wouldn't think is always that physical, but you'd be surprised how even small amounts of physicality done over and over keep you in shape - at least at a young age) I didn't have to worry about doing anything extra when I was doing a show at night and rehearsing another during the day. From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Jan 29 17:06:11 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:06:11 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie soundtracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C137174-90E9-11DA-A205-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 07:19 AM, laurenmcoakley wrote: > > > I must admit, I haven't cracked open yet my GoF soundtrack (well, I > just popped it in for the first time, actually). It's ok so far, but > I'm finding the Quidditch World Cup to be a little (IMO) too bare. That's interesting. I would never describe that as bare. I mean, I see where you get that as it is very much homophonic with the percussion underneath but that keeps the character of the "national" music (particularly the Irish teams theme). It *is* very straightforward. This is the Jig for the Bare Fisted Fun Loving Rough Housing Irish, this is the Cold Weather Very Dark Bulgarian team. > > You must understand, I'm a music student from way back, and have > probably had my views of music tainted by my very influential high > school music teacher. I am undeniably subjective when it comes to > John Williams. I think he is GENIUS. Yeah, my bachelors is in music. While I give JW great kudos for bringing orchestral soundtracks back to its highest prominence since Korngold, I lost my reverence for him in college once I'd heard Holst's The Planets. It didn't diminish how much I liked Star Wars but it did make me more critical of him. I also am a bit disappointed in his "bag of tricks" that he pulls out all the time (Which I'm sure is often dictated because of time limits). I will say I think PoA is really a good soundtrack and has quite a bit of a different sound than I often hear from JW. Honestly though, I'm glad he didn't do this one. I have a horrible feeling that the World Quidditch Cup or some of the Tri-wizard championship music would have been a rehash of Call of the Champions (which I really, really like! Just don't think he could have got past the temptation :) and I wouldn't have wanted to see that here- but then, I like the more simple nationalistic music. To me the WW is a pretty small community even in world terms and it seemed approriate to me. ) > > So of COURSE I'd recommend the first two soundtracks too! SS is > (what I think) the rest of all the following HP soundtracks are based > from. The Prologue is the familiar Harry Potter opening song that we > are all acostomed to hearing at the beginning of each film (except > GoF, of course). Harry's Wondrous World, track 2 is great- it is > very upbeat- you feel like you are being carried off to some > fantastic place. And Hedwig's Theme is another one brought through > all the different movie soundtracks. You KNOW I'll end up getting them :D I just don't know if I will listen to them as much as GoF. But I really like the darker tones in GoF. I really, REALLY hope JW treats OoTP with the more grown up ideas that start to come into play. OoTP will not work with too much of Harry's Wonderous World at that point. It's Harry's Fascinating but much Scarier World now. ;) I actually think it could be a real opportunity, but I have a feeling that "available time" dictates a lot of the creativity of Film composers. It's a real shame, but it is true and I cannot blame them. > > I wonder though, if your preference if for GoF, then you might not > enjoy the first two soundtracks, because the songs are much in the > same style as JW (and therefore PoA). > > Lauren > As I said, I don't DISlike PoA but I just really like Doyle's GoF. But I have liked pretty much anything I've heard of Doyle's despite some of the critiques I've seen of him. I've always liked what I've heard of him. Karen From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Jan 29 17:17:17 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:17:17 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie soundtracks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1913FBAB-90EB-11DA-A785-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 07:19 AM, laurenmcoakley wrote: > You must understand, I'm a music student from way back, and have > probably had my views of music tainted by my very influential high > school music teacher. I am undeniably subjective when it comes to > John Williams. I think he is GENIUS. > Oops forgot to mention Indiana Jones :Raiders of the Lost Ark, is, yeah, pretty much genius. His finest soundtrack for sure. From bboyminn at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 18:23:42 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:23:42 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alchemillalady" wrote: > > ... > > I heard the Study Hall scene being called'homework club'...? > Actually I found it believeable that Snape would forcefully > redirect their heads to their books, but smacking them was too > far out of character. I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey > the British Boarding school environment included the notion > that these closed environments could be rather brutal. ... > > --alchemilla > bboyminn: Before we fly of the handle, let's look at what Snape hit them with. He hit them with a 'Theme Book' which is essentially a tablet of paper. Which in turn means, it was about as dangerous as getting hit with a rolled up magazine. I'm sure that it caused very little pain and certainly no damage. It was more of an attention getter than any kind of brutal or sadistic punishment. Someone else mentioned that they couldn't understand the 'study halls' at all, thinking that studying should have been done in their respective commons rooms. However, we have see this same scene of a general study room in other movies and even in the books. In the books, when the weather was really bad, student took their breaks studying in a general common room rather than standing in the court yard. Just a couple of thoughts. Steve/bboyminn From rkdas at charter.net Sun Jan 29 21:21:34 2006 From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:21:34 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning.../Snape's future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: > SNIP SNIP SNIP > > > > > > BTW, it is one of my favorite scenes. I love how Harry tries to > stop Ron > > from putting his foot in his mouth and Snape's reprimands (paying > off the > > third time with the big shove - yeah for the 3x comedy rule) is > soooo funny > > (to me). > > > > And now Lauren: > I loved how Snape got a chance to actually be in a comedy > situation! Though Snape is not out of character, instead of feeling > like he's out to constantly make trouble for these boys, you see it > from the side that they are making trouble for themselves (as > described in the books...these boys are no angels- academically or > otherwise!) Another reason to love them... I have always had a soft > spot for the "bad boy". <> Oh right, I was talking about > Snape. Yes, Snape was funny for a change. I enjoyed it. And Dan is > a cutey. Hi, I won't be popular for saying this but I thought the "study hall" scene, at least the Snape/comedy act was jarring. I can't help but think about the directors who must build on what's happened to make their movies and a funny Snape just doesn't wash. It was nice for this movie, and yes, next film we can just completely forget about what has gone before and no one will have any trouble but it's a bit hard to reconcile the Snape that's got to deliver the AK with the slightly pompous man in black, pulling back his sleeves ala Oliver Hardy. I don't really have a beef but I do hate to see a character acting so "out of character." Snape's so venemous. Not funny. Also, this is a question, but do any of you see Alan Rickman as perhaps too nice to be the greasy haired horrible Snape that we get in the books? It's hard to be as horrible as Snape can be. And from now on, the book Snape has nothing remotely funny to do. Nothing remotely endearing. I just wonder what they'll do with the Snape of OOTP. Jen D. > From drednort at alphalink.com.au Sun Jan 29 21:56:16 2006 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:56:16 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43DDD4B0.28641.5EA7AB@drednort.alphalink.com.au> On 29 Jan 2006 at 13:31, laurenmcoakley wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alchemillalady" > wrote: > > SNIP > >I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey the British Boarding school > >environment included the notion that these closed environments could > >be rather brutal. Teachers did not refrain from physical punishment > >(some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes > >horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can be > >(such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is taunting > >Harry, including Cedric's friends). > > > > --alchemilla > > And now Lauren: > Is this really ONLY characteristic of British boarding schools? I > went to school in the states, and before there were laws about > teachers handing out corporal punishment, I seem to remember being hit > on the hand with a ruler once. And kids being horribly cruel to each > other I think occurs in every school environment... I remember some > that were horribly cruel to me... I went to public school, by the way. It's certainly not only characteristic of British Boarding Schools, but, it's *very* common as a stereotypical view of British Boarding Schools, particularly the Public Schools. And even more so, it's a very common feature of the fiction based on those schools. Honestly, speaking as someone who attended an Australian school heavily based on the British Public Schools, I don't think what was seen in that scene is at all brutal or sadistic. It's very mild actually. It might be somewhat inappropriate, and certainly, I'm not sure that it is character for Snape. But brutal and sadistic - no. It's nothing like as bad as I got at school - and my school was actually far milder than some of the schools of even a few decades earlier (I was at school in the late 80s/early 90s). A news story that was in newspapers all over the world in November last year, just as the movie came out gives a little insight into Newell's thinking on this: "Much as he admires the first two 'Harry Potter' flicks crafted by U.S. filmmaker Chris Columbus and the one made by Mexican director Alfonso Cuaron, Newell felt he brought the one thing his predecessors lacked: Intimate knowledge about the quirks of a British education. 'It wasn't possible for them to get that right. They'd never been to such a school,' Newell said. 'English schools are very, very eccentric. They're not like any other. I know they've changed now, but when I was in school in the '50s, I was beaten with a cane, a rattan cane, as thick as my little finger. 'And that was a very common occurrence, and so they were kind of dangerous and violent places, but they also were very funny and anarchic places. I wanted to get the sense of the school as a character, having a character, so that the kind of crazinesses that she, Jo (Rowling) is so good at, I wanted to find an organization into which that kind of stuff could fit and bring the two things together. Bring the individuals and the institution together. So I think that's something I could bring in a major way to the table.' To that end, Newell rewrote a scene to add a glint of schoolboy mischievousness and the corporal punishment it provokes, in which dour Professor Snape ( Alan Rickman) bonks Harry and Ron in the head with a book for goofing off during a study period." Believe me, I don't think many people who have been caned are likely to see what Snape does as all that bad. (-8 Incidentally, I think Newell really did succeed in given a proper 'school feel' to Hogwarts in Goblet of Fire - I was very glad to see that he did take the issue of making it seem like a real school in line with its roots, so seriously, because *to me*, that is important - it's something I liked about the books, I could see the tradition JKR was drawing from - and so I like to see it in the movies. I think Columbus did a pretty good job (although his Hogwarts was a rather 'sanitised' version), but I thought Cuaron - no matter how much better he is in general terms as a film maker - missed this. Newell, I think did a very credible job - but I am probably somewhat unusual in how important this is to me. http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html is evidence of that (and in my view worth reading if people don't know that much about the British public school tradition and how (I and others think) it has influenced Hogwarts. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Jan 29 23:17:38 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:17:38 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Another observation worth mentioning.../Snape's future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <70072C48-911D-11DA-868E-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 03:21 PM, susanbones2003 wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" > wrote: >> >> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: >> SNIP SNIP SNIP >>> >>> >>> BTW, it is one of my favorite scenes. I love how Harry tries to >> stop Ron >>> from putting his foot in his mouth and Snape's reprimands > (paying >> off the >>> third time with the big shove - yeah for the 3x comedy rule) is >> soooo funny >>> (to me). >>> >> >> And now Lauren: >> I loved how Snape got a chance to actually be in a comedy >> situation! Though Snape is not out of character, instead of > feeling >> like he's out to constantly make trouble for these boys, you see > it >> from the side that they are making trouble for themselves (as >> described in the books...these boys are no angels- academically or >> otherwise!) Another reason to love them... I have always had a > soft >> spot for the "bad boy". <> Oh right, I was talking about >> Snape. Yes, Snape was funny for a change. I enjoyed it. And Dan > is >> a cutey. > > Hi, > I won't be popular for saying this but I thought the "study hall" > scene, at least the Snape/comedy act was jarring. I can't help but > think about the directors who must build on what's happened to make > their movies and a funny Snape just doesn't wash. It was nice for > this movie, and yes, next film we can just completely forget about > what has gone before and no one will have any trouble but it's a bit > hard to reconcile the Snape that's got to deliver the AK with the > slightly pompous man in black, pulling back his sleeves ala Oliver > Hardy. I don't really have a beef but I do hate to see a character > acting so "out of character." Snape's so venemous. Not funny. Also, > this is a question, but do any of you see Alan Rickman as perhaps > too nice to be the greasy haired horrible Snape that we get in the > books? It's hard to be as horrible as Snape can be. And from now on, > the book Snape has nothing remotely funny to do. Nothing remotely > endearing. I just wonder what they'll do with the Snape of OOTP. > Jen D. >> > > > I guess I would find this true if Snape were being funny on purpose but rather it was just humorous in an everyday sort of way - humor of a normal activity, not "ha ha aren't I funny" sort of way or some kind of slap stick three stooges humor way. I didn't find it jarring in the least. kchuplis From kchuplis at alltel.net Sun Jan 29 23:35:15 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:35:15 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: <43DDD4B0.28641.5EA7AB@drednort.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 03:56 PM, Shaun Hately wrote: > Newell, I think did a very credible job - but I am probably somewhat > unusual in how important this is to me. > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html is evidence of that > (and in my view worth reading if people don't know that much about > the British public school tradition and how (I and others think) it > has influenced Hogwarts. > Really interesting essay! I was wondering about Dudleys Smelting stick. Can you shed any light on the purpose of that or it's evolution? (P.S. the description of its apparent use by JKR via Harry is one of my favorite bits of humor in the books "They also carried knobbly sticks, used for hitting each other while the teachers weren't looking. This was supposed to be good training for later life."). From drednort at alphalink.com.au Mon Jan 30 00:45:02 2006 From: drednort at alphalink.com.au (Shaun Hately) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:45:02 +1100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: References: <43DDD4B0.28641.5EA7AB@drednort.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <43DDFC3E.26773.F930BF@drednort.alphalink.com.au> On 29 Jan 2006 at 17:35, Karen Chuplis wrote: > > On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 03:56 PM, Shaun Hately wrote: > > > Newell, I think did a very credible job - but I am probably somewhat > > unusual in how important this is to me. > > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html is evidence of that > > (and in my view worth reading if people don't know that much about > > the British public school tradition and how (I and others think) it > > has influenced Hogwarts. > > > > Really interesting essay! I was wondering about Dudleys Smelting stick. > Can you shed any light on the purpose of that or it's evolution? (P.S. > the description of its apparent use by JKR via Harry is one of my > favorite bits of humor in the books "They also carried knobbly sticks, > used for hitting each other while the teachers weren't looking. This > was supposed to be good training for later life."). In simple terms, the Smelting sticks simply seem to be part of Smelting's uniform. Historically, there were a number or Public Schools that had walking canes, or umbrellas as part of their uniform. School uniforms were, to an extent, based on the fashions in place when they were introduced and if the fashion at the time included a stick, sometimes that was translated into school uniform as well. Most got rid of them a while ago (a number during World War II - boys had to carry gas masks during the war and a number of schools changed their rules on carried items, or on hats at that time to make that easier). The comment about the sticks being used for hitting each other is probably very tongue in cheek - I doubt the school officially regards that as the purpose of the sticks (as evidenced by the fact that boys don't do it when staff are looking) - although it's very possible that such useage is unofficially tolerated. Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html (ISTJ) | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 01:05:37 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:05:37 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: <43DDFC3E.26773.F930BF@drednort.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <866206A2-912C-11DA-BADE-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 06:45 PM, Shaun Hately wrote: > On 29 Jan 2006 at 17:35, Karen Chuplis wrote: > >> >> On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 03:56 PM, Shaun Hately wrote: >> >>> Newell, I think did a very credible job - but I am probably somewhat >>> unusual in how important this is to me. >>> http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html is evidence of that >>> (and in my view worth reading if people don't know that much about >>> the British public school tradition and how (I and others think) it >>> has influenced Hogwarts. >>> >> >> Really interesting essay! I was wondering about Dudleys Smelting >> stick. >> Can you shed any light on the purpose of that or it's evolution? (P.S. >> the description of its apparent use by JKR via Harry is one of my >> favorite bits of humor in the books "They also carried knobbly sticks, >> used for hitting each other while the teachers weren't looking. This >> was supposed to be good training for later life."). > > In simple terms, the Smelting sticks simply seem to be part of > Smelting's uniform. Historically, there were a number or Public > Schools that had walking canes, or umbrellas as part of their > uniform. School uniforms were, to an extent, based on the fashions in > place when they were introduced and if the fashion at the time > included a stick, sometimes that was translated into school uniform > as well. Most got rid of them a while ago (a number during World War > II - boys had to carry gas masks during the war and a number of > schools changed their rules on carried items, or on hats at that time > to make that easier). The comment about the sticks being used for > hitting each other is probably very tongue in cheek - I doubt the > school officially regards that as the purpose of the sticks (as > evidenced by the fact that boys don't do it when staff are looking) - > although it's very possible that such useage is unofficially > tolerated. Oh I never took it as anything but humor. It just is so funny to me for some reason. The delivery is just hysterical to me. From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 02:35:50 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:35:50 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's interesting this comes up in the posts. My wife and I have talked about this scene and it is a very British moment. Corporal punishment happened alot in British schools, still does in some. My father-in-law who grew up in Britain noticed this scene in particular when he saw the film recently, he said it was very much typical in most schools. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen wrote: > > > On Friday, January 27, 2006, at 09:09 PM, Sue Wartell wrote: > > > > > > I loved the twins in this scene, but personally I > > thought Snape's behavior was way out of line with his > > character. He can be mean and nasty, but he has > > always been physically aloof, and having him wandering > > around smacking kids just didn't fit my conception of > > the character at all. My impression of the character > > as Rickman portrays him is that he avoids any form of > > connection - including physical contact - with others. > > I haven't seen the movies nearly as often as many of > > you, though, so that may be my bias from my reading of > > the books coloring what I remember from the films. > > I think that this was a particularly "British" scene. I have a feeling > that this might have been a typical scene in an older British school. > That was something I loved about the last two films but particularly > this one is that it had a very Etonian feel (or my impression of such > from reading British novesl anyway) about it. I've never felt that > Snape would connect in an affectionate way, but I certainly wouldn't > put this past him :D > From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 02:43:09 2006 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:43:09 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "geebsy" wrote: > BTW I'm smiling as I write > this 'cause I think it is such a good scene, I just didn't quite > understand why they were all together like that. I know about > homework clubs, but in the context of the books it didn't make > sense, as they should have been in their common room.I now see how > well Mike Newell's heritage translated to the screen. > > Roxane > I'm pretty sure there was a 'study hall' scene in one (or both?) of the first two movies but it's been ages since I've watched either one. Lizzie From phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 02:42:19 2006 From: phoenix_kevin at yahoo.com (phoenix_kevin) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:42:19 -0000 Subject: WorkoutDan and Study Hall In-Reply-To: <43DDD4B0.28641.5EA7AB@drednort.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: I'd agree that Mik Newell did do a very credible job. It didn't seem to be that brutal to me either rather mild actually. But we all come from different environments so some things would ring more true than others. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Shaun Hately" wrote: > > On 29 Jan 2006 at 13:31, laurenmcoakley wrote: > > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "alchemillalady" > > wrote: > > > > SNIP > > >I think Mike Newell's attempt to convey the British Boarding school > > >environment included the notion that these closed environments could > > >be rather brutal. Teachers did not refrain from physical punishment > > >(some were almost sadistic with it) and students were sometimes > > >horribly cruel to one another, as only unsupervised children can be > > >(such as the scene in the cloister where every passerby is taunting > > >Harry, including Cedric's friends). > > > > > > --alchemilla > > > > And now Lauren: > > Is this really ONLY characteristic of British boarding schools? I > > went to school in the states, and before there were laws about > > teachers handing out corporal punishment, I seem to remember being hit > > on the hand with a ruler once. And kids being horribly cruel to each > > other I think occurs in every school environment... I remember some > > that were horribly cruel to me... I went to public school, by the way. > > It's certainly not only characteristic of British Boarding Schools, > but, it's *very* common as a stereotypical view of British Boarding > Schools, particularly the Public Schools. And even more so, it's a > very common feature of the fiction based on those schools. > > Honestly, speaking as someone who attended an Australian school > heavily based on the British Public Schools, I don't think what was > seen in that scene is at all brutal or sadistic. It's very mild > actually. It might be somewhat inappropriate, and certainly, I'm not > sure that it is character for Snape. But brutal and sadistic - no. > It's nothing like as bad as I got at school - and my school was > actually far milder than some of the schools of even a few decades > earlier (I was at school in the late 80s/early 90s). > > A news story that was in newspapers all over the world in November > last year, just as the movie came out gives a little insight into > Newell's thinking on this: > > "Much as he admires the first two 'Harry Potter' flicks crafted by > U.S. filmmaker Chris Columbus and the one made by Mexican director > Alfonso Cuaron, Newell felt he brought the one thing his predecessors > lacked: Intimate knowledge about the quirks of a British education. > > 'It wasn't possible for them to get that right. They'd never been to > such a school,' Newell said. 'English schools are very, very > eccentric. They're not like any other. I know they've changed now, > but when I was in school in the '50s, I was beaten with a cane, a > rattan cane, as thick as my little finger. > > 'And that was a very common occurrence, and so they were kind of > dangerous and violent places, but they also were very funny and > anarchic places. I wanted to get the sense of the school as a > character, having a character, so that the kind of crazinesses that > she, Jo (Rowling) is so good at, I wanted to find an organization > into which that kind of stuff could fit and bring the two things > together. Bring the individuals and the institution together. So I > think that's something I could bring in a major way to the table.' > > To that end, Newell rewrote a scene to add a glint of schoolboy > mischievousness and the corporal punishment it provokes, in which > dour Professor Snape ( Alan Rickman) bonks Harry and Ron in the head > with a book for goofing off during a study period." > > Believe me, I don't think many people who have been caned are likely > to see what Snape does as all that bad. (-8 > > Incidentally, I think Newell really did succeed in given a proper > 'school feel' to Hogwarts in Goblet of Fire - I was very glad to see > that he did take the issue of making it seem like a real school in > line with its roots, so seriously, because *to me*, that is important > - it's something I liked about the books, I could see the tradition > JKR was drawing from - and so I like to see it in the movies. I think > Columbus did a pretty good job (although his Hogwarts was a rather > 'sanitised' version), but I thought Cuaron - no matter how much > better he is in general terms as a film maker - missed this. > > Newell, I think did a very credible job - but I am probably somewhat > unusual in how important this is to me. > http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/HSWW.html is evidence of that > (and in my view worth reading if people don't know that much about > the British public school tradition and how (I and others think) it > has influenced Hogwarts. > > Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought > Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html > (ISTJ) | drednort at a... | ICQ: 6898200 > "You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one > thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the > facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be > uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that > need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil > Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia > From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 02:49:06 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:49:06 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > At work I have posted the picture of Dan in his dress robes and that > great shot at the end of the film when he has that 1/2 smile on his > face looking at everyone saying their goodbyes. Which photo is this? From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 03:18:43 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:18:43 -0600 Subject: Eye observation Message-ID: <1DFDA4D2-913F-11DA-8289-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> This is just something that has always caught my attention. I haven't read a lot about the actors but wondered if anyone had seen anything on it. In SS Dan has a very noticeable one-eyed blink. There are many times where you see him blink and just one eye closes (it's really cute actually). I don't know if it's like a lazy eye or what. In the following films they seem to keep it out, but I actually noticed it again in either PoA or GoF (sorry, don't remember which). I had thought it might be something he grew out of, but obviously I think they edit around it. I'm not sure why. I, anyway, rather like it. It's different and well, somehow suits "Harry's" unique character. Anyone else notice this? From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Jan 30 04:31:30 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:31:30 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eye observation In-Reply-To: <1DFDA4D2-913F-11DA-8289-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> References: <1DFDA4D2-913F-11DA-8289-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> Message-ID: <621684a4f59b3ea5dffb247fe38caeb1@verizon.net> On Jan 29, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Karen Chuplis wrote: > This is just something that has always caught my attention. I haven't > read a lot about the actors but wondered if anyone had seen anything > on > it. > > In SS Dan has a very noticeable one-eyed blink. There are many times > where you see him blink and just one eye closes (it's really cute > actually). I don't know if it's like a lazy eye or what. In the > following films they seem to keep it out, but I actually noticed it > again in either PoA or GoF (sorry, don't remember which). I had > thought > it might be something he grew out of, but obviously I think they edit > around it. I'm not sure why. I, anyway, rather like it. It's different > and well, somehow suits "Harry's" unique character. Anyone else notice > this? > You have a good eye! (pun intended, ha!) No, I certainly hadn't noticed; even in IMAX.. Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Jan 30 04:29:44 2006 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:29:44 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7575fe44aec0362baf0f48c016a85dca@verizon.net> On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:49 PM, kchuplis wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > > At work I have posted the picture of Dan in his dress robes and that > > great shot at the end of the film when he has that 1/2 smile on his > > face looking at everyone saying their goodbyes. > > Which photo is this? > I probably downloaded both from the Leaky Cauldron. Great photo that was picked up in various magazines reporting on GOF. It's when Harry is walking slowly down the stone walkway, watching all the Hogwarts, Durmstrangs and Beauxbatons saying good-bye. He's looking concerned because he (and perhaps Dumbledore) are the only ones there that know just how bad things are going to get now that Voldemort is back. Then he sort of smiles as he realizes that there is strength in numbers and that these 3 schools, at least, have bonded through the Tri-Wizard Tournament experience. Val [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From saundradj at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 06:30:44 2006 From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:30:44 -0000 Subject: Eye observation In-Reply-To: <1DFDA4D2-913F-11DA-8289-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> Message-ID: Yes, I noticed it at once in PS/SS movie. It happens the first time when Harry is sitting on the floor of his dorm room looking out the window. I thought "Dan's got a lazy eye". But you know I don't think I noticed it in David Copperfield which came before. Saundra --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen Chuplis wrote: > > This is just something that has always caught my attention. I haven't > read a lot about the actors but wondered if anyone had seen anything on > it. > > In SS Dan has a very noticeable one-eyed blink. There are many times > where you see him blink and just one eye closes (it's really cute > actually). I don't know if it's like a lazy eye or what. In the > following films they seem to keep it out, but I actually noticed it > again in either PoA or GoF (sorry, don't remember which). I had thought > it might be something he grew out of, but obviously I think they edit > around it. I'm not sure why. I, anyway, rather like it. It's different > and well, somehow suits "Harry's" unique character. Anyone else notice > this? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From geebsy at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 13:56:36 2006 From: geebsy at yahoo.com (geebsy) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:56:36 -0000 Subject: The Dark Mark Message-ID: Having a conversation with my hubbie about the best fictional Evil characters we know I brought up HP and Snape--and then happened to mentioned Snape's Dark Mark. He has never read the books, or seen any movie other G0F & didn't realize that Snape had a Dark Mark or that he was a DE. Did GoF fall down on this point? I don't quite remember how the movie played out. Was Karkaroff's Dark Mark the only one shown in the potion's store room scene...I thought Snapes was more than just implied, but perhaps I am putting my own spin on things because I know the books. Roxane From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 14:32:18 2006 From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:32:18 -0000 Subject: Kingsley and James are cast! Message-ID: Leaky Cauldron: "The role of Kingsley Shakelbolt in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix has now been cast. Newsround reports that actor George Harris has been cast in the part of the auror for the newest Potter film. Mr. Harris has been seen in such hit films as Raiders of the Lost Ark and Black Hawk Down. Also the role of young James Potter will be filled by actor Robbie Jarvis." Robbie Jarvis is an unknown actor. Can't wait for a picture to surface! Regina From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 15:11:08 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:11:08 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Kingsley and James are cast! References: Message-ID: <002501c625af$65c59570$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Katanga!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "itzgoodnite" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Kingsley and James are cast! > Leaky Cauldron: > "The role of Kingsley Shakelbolt in Harry Potter and the Order of the > Phoenix has now been cast. Newsround reports that actor George Harris > has been cast in the part of the auror for the newest Potter film. Mr. > Harris has been seen in such hit films as Raiders of the Lost Ark and > Black Hawk Down. Also the role of young James Potter will be filled by > actor Robbie Jarvis." > > > Robbie Jarvis is an unknown actor. Can't wait for a picture to > surface! > > Regina > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From eggplant107 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 16:41:43 2006 From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:41:43 -0000 Subject: Kingsley and James are cast! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm surprised they picked somebody new to play the part of James, I though they'd use Dan, after all James looked just like Harry. Eggplant From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 15:50:55 2006 From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:50:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Eye observation In-Reply-To: <621684a4f59b3ea5dffb247fe38caeb1@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060130155055.22705.qmail@web81907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Jan 29, 2006, at 10:18 PM, Karen Chuplis wrote: > This is just something that has always caught my attention. I haven't > read a lot about the actors but wondered if anyone had seen anything > on > it. > > In SS Dan has a very noticeable one-eyed blink. There are many times > where you see him blink and just one eye closes (it's really cute > actually). I don't know if it's like a lazy eye or what. In the > following films they seem to keep it out, but I actually noticed it > again in either PoA or GoF (sorry, don't remember which). I had > thought > it might be something he grew out of, but obviously I think they edit > around it. I'm not sure why. I, anyway, rather like it. It's different > and well, somehow suits "Harry's" unique character. Anyone else notice > this? I have noticed this as well. I thought that it was from a lazy eye. I don't know anything about that condition, but I wonder if it is affected by how tired a person might be. Candle From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 16:06:03 2006 From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:06:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060130160603.33536.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Diana wrote: I add: Sigh. Add me to the queue, too. And I'll be 40 in just two and a half weeks. My husband thinks it's funny. Diana L. dianasdolls Karen wrote: > Phew. Glad I am not the only one :D Michelle Chandler wrote: > > *gets in line with Roxane and Krista* > > > > I kept chanting to myself all through the bathroom scene, "he's too > > young, he's too young"! > > > > I'll be 40 on Sunday.... > > > > Michelle From: Krista Freimuth > > > >> Do you think the director decided to leave the wounds so that Harry looked really rugged? ('cause he did you know... I felt my heart go pitterpat once or twice and I thought...well never you mind what I thought) Roxane....remembering and drooling a little Krista wrote: > > HA HA - I got the same feeling & I'm 40 years old!! LOL > > I had read an article before the movie came out that commented on > > how he is > > filling out & in the bath scene in particular, you could tell that > > he was a > > "beefcake in training" - I definitely could see that happening!! > > Krista ....sigh I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. Sick to my stomach, Candle From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 17:16:21 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:16:21 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: <20060130160603.33536.qmail@web81908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c625c0$e450d8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > Sick to my stomach, > Candle > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 17:20:26 2006 From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:20:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <000c01c625c0$e450d8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <20060130172027.18067.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. Candle Karen wrote: > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > Sick to my stomach, > Candle > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Mon Jan 30 17:55:40 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:55:40 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] workout Dan and study hall Message-ID: <26b.4df2cdf.310fad1c@aol.com> . On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 05:02 PM, alchemillalady wrote: > I saw or heard Dan say in an interview that he had not been working out > prior to filming the Bath scene, but began working out several months > afterwards. > Karen said: As physical as the roles are, I would imagine the youngsters wouldn't have to work out. << I've read several times where Dan says he works with a trainer regularly because he has to be in shape to do the stunts. I seriously doubt he lets much time go by without being in the gym. I read an interview with David Heyman, I think it was, where he commented on Dan's going from a little boy who never thought about physical fitness to a disciplined teenager (he called him "a very responsible boy") who works out in the gym, works with the stunt people and his stunt double (a champion gymnast). So he's earned the muscles he has. And no, I'm no pedophile. I'm an artist who appreciates beauty as well as a mother who enjoys watching kids grow and change. And that's all that's going on here. Sheesh. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 18:41:21 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:41:21 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <20060130172027.18067.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Candle (and everyone), I'm not positive, but I may have said something like "feeling like a dirty girl". It wasn't said in the context that you seem to imply- I assure you it was something that was said in total jest, and certainly not to offend anyone or to be taken to heart. I didn't expect a conversation on that topic to upset anyone, but we are on the internet and no one here can really know who is the person behind the screen and their true intentions. In any event, thank you for making me aware that we should be more careful about what we say in an environment such as this! Lauren --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle wrote: > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. > > Candle > > Karen wrote: > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > Candle > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From starjackson1 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 19:20:11 2006 From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:20:11 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <20060130172027.18067.qmail@web81909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave the list or not read posts related to this topic. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle wrote: > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. > > Candle > > Karen wrote: > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > Candle > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 19:31:04 2006 From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:31:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060130193104.91722.qmail@web81905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thank you Laura for your clarification. As a psychologist with a counseling background, (vs. a research background) I can attest the harm that has fallen on children who as adults have come to me for counseling. I'm glad that you said you were joking. Candle laurenmcoakley wrote: Hi Candle (and everyone), I'm not positive, but I may have said something like "feeling like a dirty girl". It wasn't said in the context that you seem to imply- I assure you it was something that was said in total jest, and certainly not to offend anyone or to be taken to heart. I didn't expect a conversation on that topic to upset anyone, but we are on the internet and no one here can really know who is the person behind the screen and their true intentions. In any event, thank you for making me aware that we should be more careful about what we say in an environment such as this! Lauren --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle wrote: > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. > > Candle > > Karen wrote: > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > Candle > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 30 19:35:24 2006 From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:35:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto a public Harry Potter list. Candle starjackson1 wrote: If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave the list or not read posts related to this topic. --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle wrote: > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. > > Candle > > Karen wrote: > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this thread > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize children. > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they are doing > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had said > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as tollerant. > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in this > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > Candle > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 19:56:44 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:56:44 -0000 Subject: Movie soundtracks In-Reply-To: <8C137174-90E9-11DA-A205-000393B04DDE@alltel.net> Message-ID: And now Lauren: Karen- I really respect your opinion (and thanks so much for taking the time to share your opinion on all of this with me!) I didn't snip your post because I didn't know what to snip! I read your posts (with my post snipped) and I didn't mean to sound so darned arrogant (as I think it sounds as I re-read it)!! When I mentioned my music teacher and me being his student, I was basically trying to say that he had a high opinion of JW that rubbed off of on me. So basically, I nearly love everything JW does, maybe even as people say that his themes get a little old hat (which I agree with, but strangely, still love all the same!!). (Anyway, I hope that's the way it came across, not like I am some sort of music snob smartypants...I am certainly not that at all). I do agree with your mention of "Harry's Wonderous World" becoming more and more of a scarier world, and it will be interesting what Mr. Williams will do this time around. OoTP certainly doesn't afford much time for themes like "Buckbeak's Flight" (I think that's what it's called...I don't have my copy of PoA at work with me today). I guess what Mr. Williams will do this time remains to be seen. I don't expect him to disappoint me! :-) Humbly, Lauren --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen Chuplis wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 07:19 AM, laurenmcoakley wrote: > > > > > > I must admit, I haven't cracked open yet my GoF soundtrack (well, I > > just popped it in for the first time, actually). It's ok so far, but > > I'm finding the Quidditch World Cup to be a little (IMO) too bare. > > That's interesting. I would never describe that as bare. I mean, I see > where you get that as it is very much homophonic with the percussion > underneath but that keeps the character of the "national" music > (particularly the Irish teams theme). It *is* very straightforward. > This is the Jig for the Bare Fisted Fun Loving Rough Housing Irish, > this is the Cold Weather Very Dark Bulgarian team. > > > > > You must understand, I'm a music student from way back, and have > > probably had my views of music tainted by my very influential high > > school music teacher. I am undeniably subjective when it comes to > > John Williams. I think he is GENIUS. > > Yeah, my bachelors is in music. While I give JW great kudos for > bringing orchestral soundtracks back to its highest prominence since > Korngold, I lost my reverence for him in college once I'd heard Holst's > The Planets. It didn't diminish how much I liked Star Wars but it did > make me more critical of him. I also am a bit disappointed in his "bag > of tricks" that he pulls out all the time (Which I'm sure is often > dictated because of time limits). I will say I think PoA is really a > good soundtrack and has quite a bit of a different sound than I often > hear from JW. Honestly though, I'm glad he didn't do this one. I have a > horrible feeling that the World Quidditch Cup or some of the Tri- wizard > championship music would have been a rehash of Call of the Champions > (which I really, really like! Just don't think he could have got past > the temptation :) and I wouldn't have wanted to see that here- but > then, I like the more simple nationalistic music. To me the WW is a > pretty small community even in world terms and it seemed approriate to > me. ) > > > > > So of COURSE I'd recommend the first two soundtracks too! SS is > > (what I think) the rest of all the following HP soundtracks are based > > from. The Prologue is the familiar Harry Potter opening song that we > > are all acostomed to hearing at the beginning of each film (except > > GoF, of course). Harry's Wondrous World, track 2 is great- it is > > very upbeat- you feel like you are being carried off to some > > fantastic place. And Hedwig's Theme is another one brought through > > all the different movie soundtracks. > > You KNOW I'll end up getting them :D I just don't know if I will > listen to them as much as GoF. But I really like the darker tones in > GoF. I really, REALLY hope JW treats OoTP with the more grown up ideas > that start to come into play. OoTP will not work with too much of > Harry's Wonderous World at that point. It's Harry's Fascinating but > much Scarier World now. ;) I actually think it could be a real > opportunity, but I have a feeling that "available time" dictates a lot > of the creativity of Film composers. It's a real shame, but it is true > and I cannot blame them. > > > > I wonder though, if your preference if for GoF, then you might not > > enjoy the first two soundtracks, because the songs are much in the > > same style as JW (and therefore PoA). > > > > Lauren > > > As I said, I don't DISlike PoA but I just really like Doyle's GoF. But > I have liked pretty much anything I've heard of Doyle's despite > some of the critiques I've seen of him. I've always liked what I've heard of > him. > > Karen > From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 20:48:12 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:48:12 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c625de$81c42280$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> I can assure you that my post to that thread does not mean anything of the sort of 'being into that sort of thing'. Just as you take offense at the thread I take offense that our mooning over a young man as a movie character is an indication that we are leaping out of bushes attacking preteens on their way to school. Believe me, my thoughts didn't even TURN in a lascivious direction towards this boy but yes, I'm certain that I can admire him for his attractive qualities. You wished the thread to die, and yet your post assured that it would not. I guess in your work you run into 40 year old women attacking young men all the time. I'm sorry if I sound a bit grumpy but this is a Harry Potter group talking about Harry Potter not going on about peeping on our local junior high. IMO there is a huge difference in what you are implying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candle" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises > You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto a public Harry Potter list. > > Candle > > starjackson1 wrote: > If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six > year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like > these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a > man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong > with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave > the list or not read posts related to this topic. > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle > wrote: > > > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he > was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing > their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact > words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the > handsome statement. > > > > Candle > > > > Karen wrote: > > > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this > thread > > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize > children. > > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they > are doing > > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had > said > > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as > tollerant. > > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in > this > > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > > Candle > > > > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring > what a > > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. > I'm sorry > > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That > Emma is > > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Harry potter Entertainment movie Entertainment new york > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 20:53:56 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:53:56 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie soundtracks References: Message-ID: <001601c625df$497cfae0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> You did not come off as a snob at all! I love discussions like this because everyone views things differently. Believe me I have composers, writers and many other artists that I like even when they are not at their peak :D I just would not like to see the next soundtrack taken back too lightly. I need to look up Williams soundtracks and see if there is another movie that has darker tones (most the ones I can think of are just not terribly serious). I really fear for OoTP the movie in many ways. I just cannot see how it will be done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "laurenmcoakley" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:56 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movie soundtracks > And now Lauren: > Karen- I really respect your opinion (and thanks so much for taking > the time to share your opinion on all of this with me!) I didn't > snip your post because I didn't know what to snip! > > I read your posts (with my post snipped) and I didn't mean to sound > so darned arrogant (as I think it sounds as I re-read it)!! When I > mentioned my music teacher and me being his student, I was basically > trying to say that he had a high opinion of JW that rubbed off of on > me. So basically, I nearly love everything JW does, maybe even as > people say that his themes get a little old hat (which I agree with, > but strangely, still love all the same!!). (Anyway, I hope that's > the way it came across, not like I am some sort of music snob > smartypants...I am certainly not that at all). > > I do agree with your mention of "Harry's Wonderous World" becoming > more and more of a scarier world, and it will be interesting what > Mr. Williams will do this time around. OoTP certainly doesn't > afford much time for themes like "Buckbeak's Flight" (I think that's > what it's called...I don't have my copy of PoA at work with me > today). > > I guess what Mr. Williams will do this time remains to be seen. I > don't expect him to disappoint me! :-) > > Humbly, Lauren > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen Chuplis > wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 07:19 AM, laurenmcoakley wrote: > > > > > > > > > I must admit, I haven't cracked open yet my GoF soundtrack > (well, I > > > just popped it in for the first time, actually). It's ok so > far, but > > > I'm finding the Quidditch World Cup to be a little (IMO) too > bare. > > > > That's interesting. I would never describe that as bare. I mean, I > see > > where you get that as it is very much homophonic with the > percussion > > underneath but that keeps the character of the "national" music > > (particularly the Irish teams theme). It *is* very > straightforward. > > This is the Jig for the Bare Fisted Fun Loving Rough Housing > Irish, > > this is the Cold Weather Very Dark Bulgarian team. > > > > > > > > You must understand, I'm a music student from way back, and have > > > probably had my views of music tainted by my very influential > high > > > school music teacher. I am undeniably subjective when it comes > to > > > John Williams. I think he is GENIUS. > > > > Yeah, my bachelors is in music. While I give JW great kudos for > > bringing orchestral soundtracks back to its highest prominence > since > > Korngold, I lost my reverence for him in college once I'd heard > Holst's > > The Planets. It didn't diminish how much I liked Star Wars but it > did > > make me more critical of him. I also am a bit disappointed in > his "bag > > of tricks" that he pulls out all the time (Which I'm sure is often > > dictated because of time limits). I will say I think PoA is really > a > > good soundtrack and has quite a bit of a different sound than I > often > > hear from JW. Honestly though, I'm glad he didn't do this one. I > have a > > horrible feeling that the World Quidditch Cup or some of the Tri- > wizard > > championship music would have been a rehash of Call of the > Champions > > (which I really, really like! Just don't think he could have got > past > > the temptation :) and I wouldn't have wanted to see that here- but > > then, I like the more simple nationalistic music. To me the WW is > a > > pretty small community even in world terms and it seemed > approriate to > > me. ) > > > > > > > > So of COURSE I'd recommend the first two soundtracks too! SS is > > > (what I think) the rest of all the following HP soundtracks are > based > > > from. The Prologue is the familiar Harry Potter opening song > that we > > > are all acostomed to hearing at the beginning of each film > (except > > > GoF, of course). Harry's Wondrous World, track 2 is great- it is > > > very upbeat- you feel like you are being carried off to some > > > fantastic place. And Hedwig's Theme is another one brought > through > > > all the different movie soundtracks. > > > > You KNOW I'll end up getting them :D I just don't know if I will > > listen to them as much as GoF. But I really like the darker tones > in > > GoF. I really, REALLY hope JW treats OoTP with the more grown up > ideas > > that start to come into play. OoTP will not work with too much of > > Harry's Wonderous World at that point. It's Harry's Fascinating > but > > much Scarier World now. ;) I actually think it could be a real > > opportunity, but I have a feeling that "available time" dictates a > lot > > of the creativity of Film composers. It's a real shame, but it is > true > > and I cannot blame them. > > > > > > I wonder though, if your preference if for GoF, then you might > not > > > enjoy the first two soundtracks, because the songs are much in > the > > > same style as JW (and therefore PoA). > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > As I said, I don't DISlike PoA but I just really like Doyle's GoF. > But > > I have liked pretty much anything I've heard of Doyle's despite > > some of the critiques I've seen of him. I've always liked what > I've heard of > > him. > > > > Karen > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > From elvine78 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 21:08:05 2006 From: elvine78 at hotmail.com (Elvine Elvine) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:08:05 +0100 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The "legal" argument is rather silly, though, since the internet is international and "legal" is very different in different countries. Some countries go as low as 12, and that is seriously disturbing on so many levels. If I fancy a 17-year-old in a coutry where he is illegal, I am a paedophile, and if I fancy a 13-year-old in the right country I'm not? Silly. Elvine (In who's country Dan, and all the other main Potter-kids are legal. Don't really fancy any of them, though.) >From: Candle >Reply-To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:35:24 -0800 (PST) > >You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client >came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on >list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for >investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest >that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto >a public Harry Potter list. > > Candle > >starjackson1 wrote: > If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six >year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like >these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a >man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong >with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave >the list or not read posts related to this topic. > >--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle >wrote: > > > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he >was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing >their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact >words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the >handsome statement. > > > > Candle > > > > Karen wrote: > > > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this >thread > > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize >children. > > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they >are doing > > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had >said > > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as >tollerant. > > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in >this > > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > > Candle > > > > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring >what a > > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. >I'm sorry > > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That >Emma is > > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary >material from posts to which you're replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at >HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. > > >--------------------------------- > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Hitta rtt p ntet med MSN Search http://search.msn.se/ From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 21:17:57 2006 From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:17:57 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: <20060130193524.85053.qmail@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01cc01c625e2$a4cf6650$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> Well, actually, he's legal in his own country. So perhaps we can agree to disagree; you see it as something tawdry, and we see it as an admiration of art. Michelle Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator ----- Original Message ----- From: Candle To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto a public Harry Potter list. Candle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 21:50:34 2006 From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:50:34 -0000 Subject: Another observation worth mentioning.../Snape's future In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" wrote: > > Hi, > I won't be popular for saying this but I thought the "study hall" > scene, at least the Snape/comedy act was jarring. I can't help but > think about the directors who must build on what's happened to make > their movies and a funny Snape just doesn't wash. It was nice for > this movie, and yes, next film we can just completely forget about > what has gone before and no one will have any trouble but it's a bit > hard to reconcile the Snape that's got to deliver the AK with the > slightly pompous man in black, pulling back his sleeves ala Oliver > Hardy. I don't really have a beef but I do hate to see a character > acting so "out of character." Snape's so venemous. Not funny. Also, > this is a question, but do any of you see Alan Rickman as perhaps > too nice to be the greasy haired horrible Snape that we get in the > books? It's hard to be as horrible as Snape can be. And from now on, > the book Snape has nothing remotely funny to do. Nothing remotely > endearing. I just wonder what they'll do with the Snape of OOTP. > Jen D. > > > And now Lauren: I agree with you, Jen D, that the study hall scene with Snape was different than how we normally see him in the other films. (I'm trying not to mention the book Snape here, pretending that I have not read the books, and trying to see it from just a HP film viewer's perspective in the remote case that the films are meant to build upon themselves...) The difference was that he put his hands on the children- something he has not done in previous films. He's always around waiting to stick a wand in their faces, or stand glowering over top of them, or sneak out behind a corner when Harry is doing something slightly risky- but has never (for example) so much as yanked one of them by the ear out of their chair. But if he had done that, would it have been for the sake of comedy? Would it have been out of character? I don't (IMHO) think that scene was about a comedy schitck for Snape. I think what could make it hard to distinguish is the fact that Harry is smirking about Snape knocking him in the head the last time. But I took it that Harry was laughing because a) he and Ron got in trouble (but it was Ron's fault b/c he wouldn't shut up) or maybe even b) laughing about Hermione telling Ron off about her having a date for the Yule Ball. (Though Ron was in denial about it!). What do you think about this theory??? And I am in the same boat as you wondering how on earth they are going to fiangle movie Snape to assimulate his book Snape role. Maybe OoTP is "too heavy", and they'll ruin it so that they can keep the young ones filling the seats at the cinema. I hope not. I think I saw a poll that 60% of GoF viewers were adults... I hope they keep that in mind as they film this next installment!!!! Humbly, Lauren From bboyminn at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 21:59:25 2006 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:59:25 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises - Sexy and Sexual In-Reply-To: <000c01c625c0$e450d8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: > > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that > > this thread would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate > > to sexualize children. ...It's called pediphilia. ... > > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children > > in this offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > Candle > > > > Karen: > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just > admiring what a dashing and handsome young man he is becoming > in this last film. I'm sorry you see it that way ...IMO. > bboyminn: I think we need to try and keep our perspective here. There is a BIG difference between 'sexy' and 'sexual' (or sex). Eight year old girls find Jesse McCartney (the latest teen heartthrob) very sexy, but by no means does that mean they actually want to have sex with him. Nor does it mean that Jesse has any desire to exploit that 'sexy' admiration. The truth is that teens are at their peak of youth, beauty, vitality, and sexual radiance, and a person would have to be blind not to see and acknowledge that. But again, just because I see that great vitality, doesn't mean I want to exploit it. There are many models and movie stars that I think are very sexy, but that doesn't mean I actual want to, or even imagine, any personal contact with them (let alone sexual contact) because reality could never live up to my idealized vision of them. Just as the idealized vision of an eight year old girl could never truly be lived up to by Jesse McCartney (who is 18, by the way) And for the record, while the Potter Teens are not of legal voting age, they are all beyond the British age of sexual consent. So, even sexual thoughts of them, which !!!NO ONE HERE!!! is professing, are not pedophilia. We need to keep a clear and reasonable grip on the difference between a distant and general admiration, and any actual intent, which I again point out that NO ONE HERE has. A 40 year old acknowledging that any of the Potter teens are 'sexy' is no different than an 8 year old acknowledging that 18 year old Jesse McCartney is 'sexy'. It reflects an observation and admiration, not a desire or intent. Just a plea for a reasonable and balanced perspective. Steve/bboyminn From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 22:01:12 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:01:12 -0600 Subject: Great collector item References: Message-ID: <002a01c625e8$aecbf3c0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> I can't afford it but if I could this is actually cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/HARRY-POTTER-RARE-PROMO-PEN-QUILL-SET_W0QQitemZ6601564680QQcategoryZ29798QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 22:32:57 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:32:57 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises - Sexy and Sexual References: Message-ID: <000901c625ed$1ea58a40$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> > We need to keep a clear and reasonable grip on the difference between > a distant and general admiration, and any actual intent, which I again > point out that NO ONE HERE has. A 40 year old acknowledging that any > of the Potter teens are 'sexy' is no different than an 8 year old > acknowledging that 18 year old Jesse McCartney is 'sexy'. It reflects > an observation and admiration, not a desire or intent. > > Just a plea for a reasonable and balanced perspective. > > Steve/bboyminn > Exactly. Besides, it usually just means we wish we were a teen again (a better 14 than we were) and besides, I'm OLD not DEAD ;p From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 22:48:15 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:48:15 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: <20060130222800.34423.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c625ef$419a71d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Umm. I never used the word puberty whatsoever. Do not know where you got that *at all*. I'm offended that you are implying any of who posted to this thread are "into" (your word) pedaphilia. ----- Original Message ----- From: Candle To: kchuplis at alltel.net Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises Karen, I do not work with women in their 40's who jump out at kids, but I do work with adults who have been harmed by sexual abuse as a child. As for your comment that they are in puberty, my 9 year old nephew is starting puberty and is definately too young if you are using puberty as a guide. The only difference is that you do not have access to Daniel Radcliff. Otherwise, there isn't much difference. Why would you be offended that I have stood up for the rights of children to be safe? I guess that is my question. Candle Karen wrote: To: From: "Karen" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:48:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises I can assure you that my post to that thread does not mean anything of the sort of 'being into that sort of thing'. Just as you take offense at the thread I take offense that our mooning over a young man as a movie character is an indication that we are leaping out of bushes attacking preteens on their way to school. Believe me, my thoughts didn't even TURN in a lascivious direction towards this boy but yes, I'm certain that I can admire him for his attractive qualities. You wished the thread to die, and yet your post assured that it would not. I guess in your work you run into 40 year old women attacking young men all the time. I'm sorry if I sound a bit grumpy but this is a Harry Potter group talking about Harry Potter not going on about peeping on our local junior high. IMO there is a huge difference in what you are implying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candle" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises > You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto a public Harry Potter list. > > Candle > > starjackson1 wrote: > If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six > year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like > these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a > man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong > with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave > the list or not read posts related to this topic. > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle > wrote: > > > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he > was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing > their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact > words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the > handsome statement. > > > > Candle > > > > Karen wrote: > > > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this > thread > > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize > children. > > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they > are doing > > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had > said > > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as > tollerant. > > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in > this > > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > > Candle > > > > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring > what a > > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. > I'm sorry > > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That > Emma is > > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Mon Jan 30 22:58:21 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:58:21 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises References: <20060130224854.43287.qmail@web81912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c625f0$aab6e710$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> I'm offended for everyone. THere wasn't one response that raised my "ook" factor as a real pedaphile would have. I, myself, am done discussing this with you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Candle To: Karen Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises Sorry, I reread the posts and someone else wrote the thing about puberty. You email was in with it. I am not saying that someone who notices someone is handsome or cute is a pedaphile. That is the reason that casting directors cast the people that they cast is because of talent and visual likability. I am saying that some of the phrases that were stated are "red flags" for pedaphiles. I did not post names. If you are not into that, then you have nothing to be offended by, because the comments were not made to upset you. Candle Karen wrote: Umm. I never used the word puberty whatsoever. Do not know where you got that *at all*. I'm offended that you are implying any of who posted to this thread are "into" (your word) pedaphilia. ----- Original Message ----- From: Candle To: kchuplis at alltel.net Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises Karen, I do not work with women in their 40's who jump out at kids, but I do work with adults who have been harmed by sexual abuse as a child. As for your comment that they are in puberty, my 9 year old nephew is starting puberty and is definately too young if you are using puberty as a guide. The only difference is that you do not have access to Daniel Radcliff. Otherwise, there isn't much difference. Why would you be offended that I have stood up for the rights of children to be safe? I guess that is my question. Candle Karen wrote: To: From: "Karen" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:48:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises I can assure you that my post to that thread does not mean anything of the sort of 'being into that sort of thing'. Just as you take offense at the thread I take offense that our mooning over a young man as a movie character is an indication that we are leaping out of bushes attacking preteens on their way to school. Believe me, my thoughts didn't even TURN in a lascivious direction towards this boy but yes, I'm certain that I can admire him for his attractive qualities. You wished the thread to die, and yet your post assured that it would not. I guess in your work you run into 40 year old women attacking young men all the time. I'm sorry if I sound a bit grumpy but this is a Harry Potter group talking about Harry Potter not going on about peeping on our local junior high. IMO there is a huge difference in what you are implying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candle" To: Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises > You said it yourself. "He is not legal yet." As a psychologist, if a client came in for an intake and replied with some of the statements that were on list, I would have to turn them into various state agencies for investigation. No, I do not plan on getting off the list, but I do suggest that anyone who is into that stuff to make their own list and not post onto a public Harry Potter list. > > Candle > > starjackson1 wrote: > If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six > year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like > these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a > man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong > with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave > the list or not read posts related to this topic. > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle > wrote: > > > > I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he > was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing > their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact > words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the > handsome statement. > > > > Candle > > > > Karen wrote: > > > > > > I have tried not to say anything because I was hoping that this > thread > > would die on it's own. I find it innappropriate to sexualize > children. > > Children are terribly hurt by people who do not think that they > are doing > > anything wrong. It's called pediphilia. I'm sure that if a man had > said > > something similar about Emma then people would not have been as > tollerant. > > Maybe for those of you who wish to continue to sexual children in > this > > offensive manner, you could take this topic off list. > > > > > > Sick to my stomach, > > > Candle > > > > > > > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring > what a > > dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. > I'm sorry > > you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That > Emma is > > dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. > > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary > material from posts to which you're replying! > > > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at > HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Harry potter Entertainment movie Entertainment new york > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ SPONSORED LINKS Harry potter Entertainment movie Entertainment new york ------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "HPFGU-Movie" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: HPFGU-Movie-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kfreimu at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 23:50:43 2006 From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:50:43 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises - Sexy and Sexual In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c625c0$e450d8d0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: <977182740601301550o4f5c53d0u1d55784d5017520d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you Steve! You phrased it very eloquently. My first thought was this lady needs to get a life if she thinks that we are all pedaphilia's because we are admiring an actor in the movie! BTW, I think Emma is transforming rather nicely also into a beautiful young lady - but that doesn't make me a lesbian along with being a pedaphilia, does it? Krista On 1/30/06, Steve wrote: > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" wrote: > bboyminn: We need to keep a clear and reasonable grip on the difference between a distant and general admiration, and any actual intent, which I again point out that NO ONE HERE has. A 40 year old acknowledging that any of the Potter teens are 'sexy' is no different than an 8 year old acknowledging that 18 year old Jesse McCartney is 'sexy'. It reflects an observation and admiration, not a desire or intent. Just a plea for a reasonable and balanced perspective. Steve/bboyminn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jellocat at comcast.net Tue Jan 31 00:05:35 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:05:35 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1397 In-Reply-To: <1138643137.437.92037.m16@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > Sick to my stomach, > Candle > I didn't think anyone was being lascivious about it. Just admiring what a dashing and handsome young man he is becoming in this last film. I'm sorry you see it that way (and I include that for a man to say "Oo. That Emma is dreamy" would not make me feel that he is a child molester) IMO. I completely agree! And the comment at the top made me sick to my stomach to think someone actually thought we were like that. Jellocat ________________________________________________________________________ I was trying to look at it like people were just admiring that he was a hansome young man, but since people made a point of listing their ages and using phrases similar to (I don't remember the exact words, but "a dirty girl" rather negates the innocense of the handsome statement. Candle I believe that is called being "sarcastic" and attempting to make a stab at "humor." Nothing more than that. From jellocat at comcast.net Tue Jan 31 00:13:08 2006 From: jellocat at comcast.net (Jellocat) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:13:08 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1396 In-Reply-To: <1138639970.2054.49013.m3@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: > As I said, I don't DISlike PoA but I just really like Doyle's GoF. But I have liked pretty much anything I've heard of Doyle's despite some of the critiques I've seen of him. I've always liked what I've heard of him. Karen There were aspects of Doyle's score that were very nice, actually. I think he did a great job with the waltzing music and I do like the dark ominous score used at the beginning. I would LOVE to hear what Thomas Newman could create for the HP movies. I love his scores from "Finding Nemo" to "Angels in America" (my favorite at the moment). I think he also did "American Beauty," and many others as well. Jellocat I probably downloaded both from the Leaky Cauldron. Great photo that was picked up in various magazines reporting on GOF. It's when Harry is walking slowly down the stone walkway, watching all the Hogwarts, Durmstrangs and Beauxbatons saying good-bye. Val I love that shot as well. It's almost like a nostalgic look; like looking at something very comforting to you; something you love. When it first appeared on a promo I thought he was looking at Cho Chang. But I love how it actually turned out to be Harry watching all the students say their goodbyes. In another way, it's also as if Harry has a deeper understanding and knowledge of what's happening while the other students are oblivious to it. Jellocat From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 31 01:14:20 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:14:20 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1396 In-Reply-To: <20060131003520.YLVL26635.ispmxaamta02-gx.alltel.net@n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Monday, January 30, 2006, at 06:13 PM, Jellocat wrote: >> > As I said, I don't DISlike PoA but I just really like Doyle's GoF. But > I have liked pretty much anything I've heard of Doyle's despite some of > the critiques I've seen of him. I've always liked what I've heard of > him. > > Karen > > There were aspects of Doyle's score that were very nice, actually. I > think > he did a great job with the waltzing music and I do like the dark > ominous > score used at the beginning. I would LOVE to hear what Thomas Newman > could > create for the HP movies. I love his scores from "Finding Nemo" to > "Angels > in America" (my favorite at the moment). I think he also did "American > Beauty," and many others as well. > > Jellocat > > > I probably downloaded both from the Leaky Cauldron. Great photo that > was picked up in various magazines reporting on GOF. It's when Harry is > walking slowly down the stone walkway, watching all the Hogwarts, > Durmstrangs and Beauxbatons saying good-bye. > Val > > I love that shot as well. It's almost like a nostalgic look; like > looking at > something very comforting to you; something you love. When it first > appeared > on a promo I thought he was looking at Cho Chang. But I love how it > actually > turned out to be Harry watching all the students say their goodbyes. In > another way, it's also as if Harry has a deeper understanding and > knowledge > of what's happening while the other students are oblivious to it. > > Jellocat > I really love how he took the "love theme" from Harry in Winter and brought it in during the priori in cantatum. To me, that was better than the Fawkes theme would be because after all, that is what is harped on over and over in the books, that LOVE will conquer. kchuplis From hp at plum.cream.org Tue Jan 31 03:13:59 2006 From: hp at plum.cream.org (Richard) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:13:59 +0000 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Cuts and Bruises Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20060131030944.00b0f490@plum.cream.org> At 19:20 30/01/2006 , starjackson1 wrote: >If women here were sexualizing an 11-year-old (or 8 year old, or six >year old, etc.) boy, it would be pediphilia. However, comments like >these about Dan did not surface unitl he passed puberty and became a >man - even if he is not legal age yet. So,there is nothing wrong >with these comments. If you don't like them, you can always leave >the list or not read posts related to this topic. For the last few days, I've been trying the latter, but it's not easy when it appears it's pretty much all the listies want to talk about. So I'm taking your advice and doing the former. I am not a prude but the tenor of *some* of the comments in this thread have made be feel distinctly uneasy. Incidentally, what p*sses me off even more than the sight of a bunch of middle-aged women drooling (yes, that's the word) over a 16 year-old is the completely unsurprising fact that this topic is the first time I've seen a single word from several of these people. If all you want from this list is to exchange superlatives about how "hot" you find the boy, then you're welcome to it. I'm off. Oh, and while I'm ranting, I would remind people that there are three fairly basic formatting conventions on this list (and not only here). Trimming posts, no top-posting, and no one-liners. And lo and behold, we get several posts which are all there. And even a few posts which were added nothing but a single word. "Jeez". Bye bye, folks. It has been fun in the past, but I wish I could say the same for the last few days. I'm off to seek new pastures, at least for the time being (probably when OotP comes out). Don't bother responding, anyone, neither here nor by email. From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 31 03:43:16 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen Chuplis) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:43:16 -0600 Subject: OoTP cuts Message-ID: So, at least we know that Shackelbolt will be in OoTP now. I am wondering what kind of important cuts will be made. We know that there are smaller things and sub plots pruned out, but with OoTP there is an awful lot of even the major story line that will have to be pruned or adjusted. I'm wondering, do they keep the dementors and the trial? I really hope so, but it could be done without it. Do they keep Umbridges heinous detentions? I hope so because I love the pay off scene in HBP when Harry holds up his hand to the MoM and says "I remember". It also shows just how deeply bad this woman is. Do they keep the big Twin Departure? And how do they work in Neville's parents? We hear of the torture in the pensieve scene in GoF, but there is no follow through with Harry asking Dumbledore if that was Neville's parents. I really think this is important though to the development of Neville's character and he will (I suspect) be a big part of the final book, so the final movie. What are some thoughts that others have? From kfreimu at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 14:55:48 2006 From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:55:48 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OoTP cuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <977182740601310655s6d35e80eoe7ec732fa1488c09@mail.gmail.com> On 1/30/06, Karen Chuplis wrote: > > I am wondering what kind of important cuts will be made. What are some > thoughts that others have? This isn't essential to the overall plot, but I wonder if they'll keep the storyline about Ron making the Quidditch team. And they better not take out the DADA classes by Harry! I also wonder how much of the storyline with Umbridge they'll keep - such as the teacher evaluations and the confrontation with Trelawney being sacked. Krista [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starjackson1 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 15:06:57 2006 From: starjackson1 at yahoo.com (starjackson1) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:06:57 -0000 Subject: Cuts and Bruises In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060131030944.00b0f490@plum.cream.org> Message-ID: > > Incidentally, what p*sses me off even more than the sight of a bunch of > middle-aged women drooling (yes, that's the word) over a 16 year-old I think what bothers you more is the fact that we, as middle aged women, actually have sexual feelings. I think there is a double- standard at work here. Many middle aged or older women are supposed to be dead and not have any feelings or desires. But it's OK for men to have desires for younger women. Look - I am also concerned with sexual abuse of children. I just feel this concern is misplaced on this group. Dan looked mightly nice when he took off his shirt in GOF - and we couldn't help but notice. No one here is going act on their feelings and do something bad. Perhaps when he turns 18 then we can all safely "drool" over him with out seeming to be pedefiles. I certainly hope so. But we will still be middle aged women drooling over a young man! From artsylynda at aol.com Tue Jan 31 15:50:56 2006 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:50:56 EST Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Great collector item Message-ID: <19e.4457f312.3110e160@aol.com> In a message dated 1/30/2006 10:59:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/HARRY-POTTER-RARE-PROMO-PEN-QUILL-SET_W0QQitemZ6601564680Q QcategoryZ29798QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem He has a lot of amazing stuff for sale! MY question is, how did somebody in NEVADA get all this very rare stuff?! And why did they make 1000 Whomping Willows??? (That's mentioned in the notes at the bottom of the page listing the cauldron from CoS in which Hermione made the Polyjuice Potion). I've never heard about any of these things being offered for sale - I must hang out in the wrong places! Then again, I'd never pay what he's asking for that stuff either! LOL! But it's fun to look at it! Lynda AKA "Abraxan" Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 31 16:45:03 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:45:03 -0600 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Great collector item References: <19e.4457f312.3110e160@aol.com> Message-ID: <000501c62685$aef49c10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> May have worked on the film or know someone who did or be connected to the biz somehow. Yeah, some pretty cool stuff for sure. Too expensive but cool. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Great collector item > > > In a message dated 1/30/2006 10:59:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/HARRY-POTTER-RARE-PROMO-PEN-QUILL-SET_W0QQitemZ6601564680Q > QcategoryZ29798QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > He has a lot of amazing stuff for sale! MY question is, how did somebody in > NEVADA get all this very rare stuff?! And why did they make 1000 Whomping > Willows??? (That's mentioned in the notes at the bottom of the page listing > the cauldron from CoS in which Hermione made the Polyjuice Potion). I've > never heard about any of these things being offered for sale - I must hang out in > the wrong places! Then again, I'd never pay what he's asking for that stuff > either! LOL! But it's fun to look at it! > > Lynda AKA "Abraxan" > > Read my Harry Potter fics here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ > > Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! > > Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > From kchuplis at alltel.net Tue Jan 31 16:45:47 2006 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:45:47 -0600 Subject: Cut scenes References: <19e.4457f312.3110e160@aol.com> Message-ID: <000901c62685$c94adbb0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> So here's a question on the DVD. If the rumors are true that they'll add back in some scenes, do you suppose the "losing the egg on the stair will be one? It looks like they filmed it: http://gallery.potter-mania.com/details.php?image_id=1112&sessionid=d3e2973a246afb4296eaf5b7eb844320 From tmarends at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 15:59:54 2006 From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:59:54 -0000 Subject: Oscar nod Message-ID: GoF got an Oscar nomination in Art Direction. Tim From kfreimu at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 16:58:54 2006 From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:58:54 -0600 Subject: Academy Awards Message-ID: <977182740601310858q44a82d51q3bcf0ff4ffdd2ca9@mail.gmail.com> Looks like GOF picked up one Academy Award nomination for Art Direction. http://oscar.com/nominees/achievementinartdirectionnominee2.html Krista -- ******************************************************************* Krista Freimuth www.dexonline.com For the most complete local information online! Practice Random Acts of Kindness & Senseless Beauty [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com Tue Jan 31 23:05:23 2006 From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:05:23 -0500 Subject: Cuts and Bruises Message-ID: <8C7F4D1F35641E3-A74-D433@mblk-d30.sysops.aol.com> "Incidentally, what p*sses me off even more than the sight of a bunch of middle-aged women drooling (yes, that's the word) over a 16 year-old" Pshaaaw!! Calling the kettle black are we? LOL. While I'm not middle-aged, I am older than Mr. Radcliffe and it's plainly clear that he is/will be a very handsome young man. I'm rather amused at the surprise/anger of some people over someone being attractive (darn that human nature!). As someone else mentioned, I see it quite common among men to oggle over a younger woman but for some reason women will get the flack for the opposite effect? Yeah....ok. Enough said. I weep for the human race when we come to the point of being arrested for looking at another attractive person. Take me downtown officer.... Jade Proud Member of Gryffindor House Harry's To-Do List 1. Get Up 2. Survive 3. Go Back To Bed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]