From paulined at optushome.com.au  Sat Jul  1 03:49:44 2006
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 13:49:44 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP Flubs
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>Ok I know we've discussed this before, plus imdb.com has a good list of 
>flubs from the movies, but i wanted to add to it, feel free to do the same 
>so i can have something to look for in the movies for fun (like i need 
>another excuse to watch the movies with undivided attention!LOL). I just 
>noticed this morning while watching SS that while Harry is talking about 
>isn't it funny how Hargid has always wanted a dragon, and stranger turns 
>up with one...or something like that he says, anyhow, Emma/Hermione is 
>mouthing every word he is saying while trying to look confused and walking 
>fast. It's so cute, then again, they are all so cute in that movie, the 
>little babies they were. Awwwww....

Funny you should mention this today, Candace.  A friend just sent me this site
http://www.moviemistakes.com/best.php

And they mention her doing that  "When Harry, Ron and Hermione rush to 
Hagrid after the end of the year exams, and Harry is saying something that 
ends with, "Why didn't I see it before?", Hermione is mouthing part of that 
line."

  Pauline






From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Jul  3 16:36:16 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:36:16 -0000
Subject: HP Flubs
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Pauline <paulined at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> >Ok I know we've discussed this before, plus imdb.com has a good 
list of 
> >flubs from the movies, but i wanted to add to it, feel free to do 
the same 
> >so i can have something to look for in the movies for fun (like i 
need 
> >another excuse to watch the movies with undivided attention!LOL). 
I just 
> >noticed this morning while watching SS that while Harry is talking 
about 
> >isn't it funny how Hargid has always wanted a dragon, and stranger 
turns 
> >up with one...or something like that he says, anyhow, 
Emma/Hermione is 
> >mouthing every word he is saying while trying to look confused and 
walking 
> >fast. It's so cute, then again, they are all so cute in that 
movie, the 
> >little babies they were. Awwwww....
> 
> Funny you should mention this today, Candace.  A friend just sent 
me this site
> http://www.moviemistakes.com/best.php
> 
> And they mention her doing that  "When Harry, Ron and Hermione rush 
to 
> Hagrid after the end of the year exams, and Harry is saying 
something that 
> ends with, "Why didn't I see it before?", Hermione is mouthing part 
of that 
> line."
> 
>   Pauline
>
Hi guys,
Never noticed Emma's mouthing the words but I have to say the three 
kids have grown so much. I like the idea that the producer went with 
3 "green" kids. They could have gotten some very slick child actors, 
as we have mentioned before, but they went with real kids who could 
give us a real performance, earnest and full of heart. Who do you 
think has grown the most? I vote Emma! 
Jen D.







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul  4 19:22:51 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:22:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Potter, Potter everywhere...
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Has anyone seen "The Devil Wears Prada" yet? Saw it yesterday. There's 
a funny scene where Meryl Streep (the arrogant, haughty editor of a top 
fashion magazine) is testing her new assistant by asking her to get her 
twins the latest Harry Potter book. The assistant says "Sure, I'll run 
down to Barnes & Noble". Meryl says "Uh, no...I mean the UNPUBLISHED 
book. The twins want to know what happens next to Harry Potter!" So the 
poor  assistant is running all over New York using all her contacts to 
get the new HP book. Which we ALL KNOW YOU COULD GET PROSECUTED FOR 
GETTING HOLD OF BEFORE THE RELEASE DATE!!! I won't tell you what 
transpires in case you want to see it, but it's very funny!
Oh, that Harry Potter, he turns up everywhere! :-)

Valerie




From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  5 02:19:43 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HP Flubs
Message-ID: <20060705021943.97775.qmail@web60920.mail.yahoo.com>

Jen, I'd say Emma too, not just because girls have a tendancy to mature quicker than girls.   But i have to say that Dan has matured quite a bit too.  He's like really hyper active, which is good when you know how to turn it off and focus on something important.  So for him to be able to be as hyper as is noticable during interviews, and as all the cast members have said about him, takes a lot of maturity.  Rupert has matured too.  His maturity has caused him to quiet down, but nonetheless, he's matured.  As the oldest of the 3, i think as an actor he advanced quicker than the rest.  He was really good right off the bat, where Dan and Emma (although great and so cute) were still kind of learning their style of acting.


peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jul  5 18:05:51 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:05:51 -0000
Subject: HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <20060705021943.97775.qmail@web60920.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> Jen, I'd say Emma too, not just because girls have a tendancy to 
mature quicker than girls.   But i have to say that Dan has matured 
quite a bit too.  He's like really hyper active, which is good when 
you know how to turn it off and focus on something important.  So for 
him to be able to be as hyper as is noticable during interviews, and 
as all the cast members have said about him, takes a lot of 
maturity.  Rupert has matured too.  His maturity has caused him to 
quiet down, but nonetheless, he's matured.  As the oldest of the 3, i 
think as an actor he advanced quicker than the rest.  He was really 
good right off the bat, where Dan and Emma (although great and so 
cute) were still kind of learning their style of acting.
> 
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace
> 
> "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."
> 
> "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne
> 
> 
>Hi Can Can,
I feel Emma has come the farthest, not necessarily the most talented. 
The kids are that well matched. But I have begun to feel somehow that 
Rupert is the outsider. He's "in the movie" where he needs to be, 
doing what he needs to be doing but maybe because he's older, has 
left school already, he just seems to be a little outside the "trio.
Whatdyathink?
Jen D.







From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Jul  5 18:25:58 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:25:58 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HP Flubs
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Hi,

Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 11:05:51 AM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> But I have begun to feel somehow that 
> Rupert is the outsider. He's "in the movie" where he needs to be,
> doing what he needs to be doing but maybe because he's older, has
> left school already, he just seems to be a little outside the "trio.
> Whatdyathink?

Well, they are really "not" the trio, and there is no reason
these three should be best buddies outside their movie
duties. As long as they are where they need to be "in the
movie" they are doing great.
Rupert seems to be more quiet next to hyperactive Dan and
outgoing Emma. He hangs out more with other cast members.


-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jul  5 19:17:24 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:17:24 -0000
Subject: HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <756513437.20060705112558@vcem.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > 
> Well, they are really "not" the trio, and there is no reason
> these three should be best buddies outside their movie
> duties. As long as they are where they need to be "in the
> movie" they are doing great.
> Rupert seems to be more quiet next to hyperactive Dan and
> outgoing Emma. He hangs out more with other cast members.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>
You misunderstand me. I mean that in the movie, there doesn't seem to 
be a trio, as in the books. Rupert does his part well, the goofy 
things from GOF and all, but "Hermione and Harry" seem to be much 
friendlier and grouped together rather than the threesome we see in 
the books. I do not have any idea how they behave on their own time 
and would not even deign to comment on how an actor spends his or her 
personal time.
Jen D.







From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Jul  5 19:53:07 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:53:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HP Flubs
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Hi,

Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 12:17:24 PM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> You misunderstand me. I mean that in the movie, there doesn't seem to
> be a trio, as in the books. Rupert does his part well, the goofy
> things from GOF and all, but "Hermione and Harry" seem to be much
> friendlier and grouped together rather than the threesome we see in
> the books.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Frankly, I think the movie characterizations are way off for
many characters and I miss seeing longer interactions
between *any* of them, not just the trio.

Everything is condensed down to just a couple of lines here
or there, with drawn out "action" scenes in between.
I've pretty much given up on the movies in that sense, and I
enjoyed the Columbus versions more because he took the time
to have characters interact with each other.

In the last movie Harry and Ron were not speaking to each
other for a long time, but I thought Hermione was almost
missing as much.
She didn't provide any of the help we saw her giving in the
books and was barely there ( though I have to admit it was a
relief to me after Super-Hermione doing everything in PoA,
my least favorite of the movies).

One of the longest interaction (non-violent) Harry had was with Moaning
Myrtle! ;)


-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jul  5 20:19:52 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:19:52 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
In-Reply-To: <627674617.20060705125307@vcem.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the misunderstanding.
> Frankly, I think the movie characterizations are way off for
> many characters and I miss seeing longer interactions
> between *any* of them, not just the trio.
> 
> Everything is condensed down to just a couple of lines here
> or there, with drawn out "action" scenes in between.
> I've pretty much given up on the movies in that sense, and I
> enjoyed the Columbus versions more because he took the time
> to have characters interact with each other.
> 
> In the last movie Harry and Ron were not speaking to each
> other for a long time, but I thought Hermione was almost
> missing as much.
> She didn't provide any of the help we saw her giving in the
> books and was barely there ( though I have to admit it was a
> relief to me after Super-Hermione doing everything in PoA,
> my least favorite of the movies).
> 
> One of the longest interaction (non-violent) Harry had was with 
Moaning
> Myrtle! ;)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>

I think your analysis is most apt. The last two films did seem to 
rely on our knowledge of the books to fill in the blanks. There 
wasn't much time together for the trio to sit in the Common Room, no 
time spent together during Christmas, nothing to demonstrate they 
have a long-standing and deep bond. That's one of the reasons the 
ending was so odd. It was one of the few times they were together, 
but it was so disjointed, they didn't seem comfortable or to have 
actually experienced "together" much of anything. But Dan and Emma do 
seem to have more moments than the 3 of them. One of my favorite from 
GOF was when Harry emerged from the lake, safely, and Hermione in her 
relief gives him that wonderful kiss on his forehead. It was perfect! 
Totally natural and believable. That's one of the reasons I claim her 
as the most improved of the trio. From hardly being able to hug Dan 
in COS, she's now able to give him a completely natural kiss in her 
great relief that's he's not been consumed by any of the baddies of 
the lake.
And I was pleased to see that someone recognizes the value of the 
first two movies rather than just ridiculing them for their reliance 
on the books. I found all the creation of mood, a mood not really 
existing in the book, to be such a distraction in POA. Sepia tone 
worked  so well for "A Little Princess," the tale being almost 
a "Brothers Grimm" kind of construction, but Harry's world is just 
not that easily characterized. Cuaron sucked the thrill out of Diagon 
Alley for me and made it a place of scarry creatures, spiderwebs and 
constant foreboding.
Jen D.








From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Jul  5 20:53:07 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:53:07 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
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Hi,

Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 1:19:52 PM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> One of my favorite from 
> GOF was when Harry emerged from the lake, safely, and Hermione in her
> relief gives him that wonderful kiss on his forehead. It was perfect!

Well, I have to admit I hardly remember that scene. It
didn't leave much of an impression on me. <g>

In my opinion Dan has improved quite a bit in his acting
ability, though I wish they'd have him do a little less
screaming and more acting in some scenes.
I liked Rupert's acting very much in movie one, but it may
have not served him well since he was cut down quite a lot
in subsequent movies.

Emma has remained about the same to me in acting ability
(she tends to overdue it a bit with her facial expressions,
but maybe the director/s want this, since they are asking
the same of Rupert?), but I have not liked her character in
the movies as much as I like her in the books.
She's just not really Hermione for me, maybe because they
don't show her insecurities and mistakes at all anymore.
I'll cringe forever at that werewolf howl, and her swinging
in the Whomping Willow, picking up Harry with one hand.

The first movie will always be my favorite (unless the last
3 are very different from what we've gotten so far). It may
have been boring and too close to canon for many, but for me
it was magic and showed the trio actually close and
interacting.
Nowadays, special effects seem to be more important than
characterization!
I fear what DD will be like in the next movie!

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jul  5 21:42:15 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 21:42:15 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
In-Reply-To: <1906538541.20060705135307@vcem.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 1:19:52 PM, rkdas at ... wrote:
> 
> > One of my favorite from 
> > GOF was when Harry emerged from the lake, safely, and Hermione in 
her
> > relief gives him that wonderful kiss on his forehead. It was 
perfect!
> 
> Well, I have to admit I hardly remember that scene. It
> didn't leave much of an impression on me. <g>
> 
Jen here,
When I go to these HP films, I try to look for the memorable things, 
the good things, the things that connect with the thrill the books 
all gave me. Now of course there was no such kiss in the book, but it 
seemed so natural, such an honest reaction that I loved it. No, it 
isn't a "BIG" moment but it struck me as much more believeable than 
the confrontation scene between Hermione and Ron after the Yule Ball. 

> In my opinion Dan has improved quite a bit in his acting
> ability, though I wish they'd have him do a little less
> screaming and more acting in some scenes.

-Again, your criticism is apt and it isn't the first time someone's 
said it. Some of the acclaim he's gotten must have to do with the 
fact that we are all so relieved to see Dan get to express some 
strong emotion! Every time in the past when the book narrative would 
call for something beyond a wistful look, poor Dan was denied the 
opportunity to (at the very least) try to bring forth the proper 
emotion. Did the directors find him incapable? Who knows? I would 
have loved to seen him try. (Notice I am ignoring that very 
odd "crying" scene in POA. The less said about that the better...)


> I liked Rupert's acting very much in movie one, but it may
> have not served him well since he was cut down quite a lot
> in subsequent movies.

-I was thrilled at his ability to shine even with the smallest of 
bits! Remember when Cedric puts his name in the Goblet and Ron/Rupert
tries for friendly eye contact, only to fail? It was small but he 
made it funny and memorable. Not to mention his wonderful scene 
recounting the attempted invitation to Fleur! If you listen to that, 
even when Harry's gone over to ask the Patel twins, you can hear Ron 
continuuing his riff and it's a great bit!
> 
> Emma has remained about the same to me in acting ability
> (she tends to overdue it a bit with her facial expressions,
> but maybe the director/s want this, since they are asking
> the same of Rupert?), but I have not liked her character in
> the movies as much as I like her in the books.
> She's just not really Hermione for me, maybe because they
> don't show her insecurities and mistakes at all anymore.
> I'll cringe forever at that werewolf howl, and her swinging
> in the Whomping Willow, picking up Harry with one hand.

-I found that bit very odd, didn't bother me, just seemed hopelessly 
contrived as did much of that film!
> 
> The first movie will always be my favorite (unless the last
> 3 are very different from what we've gotten so far). It may
> have been boring and too close to canon for many, but for me
> it was magic and showed the trio actually close and
> interacting.
> Nowadays, special effects seem to be more important than
> characterization!
> I fear what DD will be like in the next movie!

-As per usual, they seem to make the films so they are accessible to 
the casual fan, not us nutjob fans, and it does feel like a "Reader's 
Digest Condensed" version  but as I said, I try my best to find the 
good in them. Not always much to work with, but 3 of the 4 are films 
I can watch again, with pleasure. But you know how Hollywood works. 
It would be very difficult to change course now and get interested in 
character above action. But we can hope. 
Jen D.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>







From siskiou at vcem.com  Thu Jul  6 00:00:53 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:00:53 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
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Hi,

Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 2:42:15 PM, rkdas at charter.net wrote:

> No, it 
> isn't a "BIG" moment but it struck me as much more believeable than
> the confrontation scene between Hermione and Ron after the Yule Ball.

I think all this depends on personal interpretation and
opinion and feelings.
Other people have mentioned the Yule Ball scene as
excellent and one of their favorites.

Some people see great screen chemistry between movie Harry and
Hermione,
and see it extend beyond the friendship they are portraying
while others just see them act like good friends and see the
tension between Ron and Hermione.

Sometimes I think we, the hardcore fans who join lists and
forums and read a lot about the actors and behind the scenes
stuff get influenced into reading more into little things
that casual viewers don't at all.

And I do believe Mr. Cuaron is guilty of setting the H/Hr
mood in PoA, because of what I've read in interviews with him.
He just went out of his way with a nod to his own movie, adding
ambiguity to a scene that was much clearer in the books, and he
seemed to think Dan and Emma were just so sexy when running
around in the forest disheveled and dirty. ;)
>From the same interviews I got the feeling he did not
understand or have a connection with Rupert, who is much
quieter than Dan and Emma.
Sometimes people who aren't outgoing and demostrative are
misunderstood as being off in their own world and
not "interesting".

All this is of course just my personal opinion from what
I've read or observed.

I'm glad Rupert's non HP movie is well liked by most critics
and the audiences at festivals.
Am looking forward to hearing more about Dan's other film,
too.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Jul  6 17:29:55 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:29:55 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
In-Reply-To: <1955372179.20060705170053@vcem.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 2:42:15 PM, rkdas at ... wrote:
> 
>Snipped...
> 
> I think all this depends on personal interpretation and
> opinion and feelings.
> Other people have mentioned the Yule Ball scene as
> excellent and one of their favorites.
SNIPPED
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>

Jen here,
The Yule Ball was very nicely done, I just thought the "confrontation"
between Ron and Hermione seemed to lack proper motivation as if too 
many details leading up to the event had been deleted. Lots of diva 
flair for Emma and manly harumphing from Ron but no context. Of 
course we all know the background but it troubles me when the film 
lacks continuity just because we are all supposed to know the story. 
Besides, I lilke seeing things up there on screen, details that help 
to bring together a scene, make it sensible. I know there are non-
book people who see these movies and I often wonder what they make of 
them. 
Jen D.
> -- 
> 







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Jul  6 22:53:27 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:53:27 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
Message-ID: <50f.362e4aa.31deee67@aol.com>



Jen D.
> And I was pleased to see that someone recognizes the value of the 
> first two movies rather than just ridiculing them for their reliance 
> on the books. 

Sandy:
The first movie is, and forever will be my favorite. I never have understood 
the ridicule for relying on the books. How could they not? I think the first 
two movies will always be the best because Chris Columbus did such an excellent 
job of nailing the characters and nailing the Potterverse. Cuaron and Newell 
can't hold a candle to him. I do love PoA, it is my second favorite, but I 
love it because of Dan's performance more than anything. I still can't 
wholeheartedly say that I even like GoF. I don't hate it but it is my least favorite. As 
Candace said, there just is no interaction in it. It's just a bunch of clips 
strung together. However, the graveyard scene is awesome. It is going to be 
interesting to see how OoP turns out. It has a new screenwriter. I have more 
hope for it though just based on casting news.

Sandy


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Thu Jul  6 23:03:02 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:03:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
Message-ID: <4a8.3d2d9bc.31def0a6@aol.com>



Jen D.
> Not always much to work with, but 3 of the 4 are films 
> I can watch again, with pleasure

Sandy:
Which one can you not? For me it's GoF.


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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  8 00:06:26 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:06:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What trio?/ was HP Flubs
Message-ID: <20060708000626.46118.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>

Hiya Jen and all!  
  I see Rupert as an outsider too, but not by choice.  We've all discussed the screenwriters obsession with Emma, so that took Rupert out of a lot of interaction and lines.  This is very unfortunate because Rupert's "Ron" in the first movie (which I think is the most true to the books then any other movie) made me want to watch the second one and so on.  I feel he is an outsider also (and Jen I do apologize because I know you don't like discussing much about the personal lives of stars, but...) because there was, rumor has it, a relationship between Dan and Emma, their chemistry is stronger.  And even if they aren't/weren't a couple, their friendship is very physical, which we all have discussed this too, so it's easier for Rupert to be ignored when the 2 of them are bubbling all over each other.  So if the directors are playing on this chemisty that leaves Rupert out.  It's like he's just decoration sometimes, like they needed a red head for the shot, and picked him.  It
 annoys me to no end.
  ***Totally My Opinion****I think another reason is maybe Rupert's alittle tired of playing this version of Ron.  I mean Ron's bravery in the movies disappeared from the middle of the Chamber and on, in my opinion.  But he's still doing a great job with the kind of Ron they want him to play.  
  Anyhow, I thinks he's awesome, but unfortunatly left outside of the "Dan and Emma show" as I like to call it.lol 
  I can't wait to see Driving Lessons!!!!!
   
  Susanne you nailed it with this comment:
  She's just not really Hermione for me, maybe because they
don't show her insecurities and mistakes at all anymore.
For me Emma is Hermione, i was a fan of the movies before i read any of the books, BUT once I did, wow!  I couldn't believe how insecure she was and how she did not always know what to do.  It blew me away, especially in Prisoner, which is my favorite movie (sorry, I know it's not popular, but I love it!) she was almost clueless Hermione in the book, as oppose to Super Hermione in the film.  



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From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Jul  8 02:19:37 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:19:37 -0000
Subject: What trio?/ was HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <20060708000626.46118.qmail@web60922.mail.yahoo.com>
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Re: What trio?/ was HP Flubs 


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hiya Jen and all!
> I see Rupert as an outsider too, but not by choice. We've all
discussed the screenwriters obsession with Emma, so that took Rupert
out of a lot of interaction and lines. This is very unfortunate
because Rupert's "Ron" in the first movie (which I think is the most
true to the books then any other movie) made me want to watch the
second one and so on.

Can Can,
Jen agreeing with you!
I did find it objectionable that Ron had no longer any expertise to
share. In the way that Jo lets Hermy know all the book larnin' and
Ron know all the practical stuff, I thought it worked very well for
them to help Harry in times of need. Now it's all the "Emma show..."


I feel he is an outsider also (and Jen I do apologize because I
know you don't like discussing much about the personal lives of
stars, but...)

Jen's two cents:
Oh Can Can! I am not that serious. I was just trying to emphasize
that my comments were made about the characters' portrayals, not the
people themselves! I love to see the kids as themselves as much as
the next person.

because there was, rumor has it, a relationship between Dan and Emma,
their chemistry is stronger. And even if they aren't/weren't a
couple, their friendship is very physical, which we all have
discussed this too, so it's easier for Rupert to be ignored when the
2 of them are bubbling all over each other.

Jen interjects...
And about the "on-screen chemistry between Dan and Emma, my first
remark at the end of POA was something to the effect
"Whole lotta hand-holding goin' on in that forest..." I felt Cuaron
accidentally touched on something Jo may have in store, in his
attempt to spice up the show. Re: Jo's comments on the dvd about
things he got right without "knowing" about them.

So if the directors are playing on this chemisty that leaves Rupert
out. It's like he's just decoration sometimes, like they needed a
red head for the shot, and picked him. It
> annoys me to no end.
> ***Totally My Opinion****I think another reason is maybe Rupert's
alittle tired of playing this version of Ron. I mean Ron's bravery
in the movies disappeared from the middle of the Chamber and on, in
my opinion. But he's still doing a great job with the kind of Ron
they want him to play.

Jen again:
Yes, Rupert could do plenty more and when I talk about his being so
good, it's definitely within the bounds of what they let him do. I
think he'll be the one to actually go on and do things after HP
concludes, hopefully even before (Driving Lessons could be just the
beginning!).

> Anyhow, I thinks he's awesome, but unfortunatly left outside of
the "Dan and Emma show" as I like to call it.lol
> I can't wait to see Driving Lessons!!!!!

>Snipped
> >
> Candace







From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sat Jul  8 02:30:40 2006
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:30:40 -0500
Subject: What trio? /was" HP Flubs"
Message-ID: <007601c6a236$81ee9c70$789ecdd1@RVotaw>

> > Jen D.
> > Not always much to work with, but 3 of the 4 are films
> > I can watch again, with pleasure
>
> Sandy:
> Which one can you not? For me it's GoF.

Richelle:

I for one love all of the movies, but there are certain portions of each of
them that I can't stand.  In SS/PS it's everything after they go down the
trap door.  Too much change after that for my taste. When watching it I
frequently either stop there or skip ahead to the hospital wing.  In CoS
it's the very end.  What is the deal with all the cheesy applause for
Hagrid?!?!  In PoA the talking shrunken head gets on my nerves.  In GoF,
which is my favorite, the lack of Dursleys and Mrs. Weasley are my main
annoyance.

Richelle 





From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  8 13:49:57 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs
Message-ID: <20060708134957.69175.qmail@web60913.mail.yahoo.com>


>. I know there are non-
>book people who see these movies and I often wonder what they make of 
>them. 
>Jen D.
> -- 
>
   
  It's funny you say that because I made one of my guy friend sit and watch Goblet till 2am because he owed me.  He had never seen any of the HP movies.  I found myself just at random explaining missing things, not just from other movies, but from the books, just to make the movie flow better.  I never realized it before that night that somethings (not very many) were missing.  Funny thing is, that's probably why I picked up the books myself.LOL



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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  8 13:33:04 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 06:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What trio?/ was HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <1152318101.378.86955.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060708133304.86030.qmail@web60920.mail.yahoo.com>

>Candace said, there just is no interaction in it. It's just a bunch of clips 
>strung together. However, the graveyard scene is awesome. It is going to be 
>interesting to see how OoP turns out. It has a new screenwriter. I have more 
>hope for it though just based on casting news.

>Sandy
   
  Hey Sandy, I said something like this about HBP long ago, the one movie I'm least looking forward too because it will be a bunch of clips strung together in my opinion.
  As for Order, I just read all the books this year because of Goblet, and I started with Order.  It will be interesting to see how it turns out because now that I've read it, it literally scares me what they will take out.  The first four movies I loved as is (well maybe not Chamber) before I picked up a book, but now I'm afraid.  The new screenwriter is a plus, and new director.  I just hope it's not the "Dan and Emma show" again.  It scares me too because David Heyman (sp?) keeps apologizing for what scenes have been taken out, although he hasn't said what it/they are.





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From penhaligon at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 16:11:39 2006
From: penhaligon at gmail.com (Jane Penhaligon)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 09:11:39 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was HP Flubs
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Message-ID: <001601c6a2a9$331f7470$bd5a1618@the248437c0a60>

Candance said: 

>   It's funny you say that because I made one of my guy friend 
> sit and watch Goblet till 2am because he owed me.  He had 
> never seen any of the HP movies.  I found myself just at 
> random explaining missing things, not just from other movies, 
> but from the books, just to make the movie flow better.  I 
> never realized it before that night that somethings (not very 
> many) were missing.  Funny thing is, that's probably why I 
> picked up the books myself.LOL


Good point, Candance. The thing is, even with very short early books
(Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets), the screenplays had to leave out
whole sections of the book and those films still came in over two hours. As
the books have become longer and more complex, I think it's all but
impossible to make a coherent film under 3 or 3.5 hours. 

When I originally heard that they had considered making Goblet of Fire a
two-part film, I was thrilled! A two-part film could really to justice to
this wonderful book (Goblet of Fire remains my favorite book of the series
so far). On the other hand, I understand enough about the economics of the
film industry to see why Warner Brothers made the decisions they have make
to make each book a single film, but the downside is a savage cutting of
huge chunks of the narrative flow.

While I will continue to see each film, I no longer eagerly await them. I
enjoy them, but no longer expect to be overwhelmed and entranced as I was
for the first films. 

My hope is that some years down the line, BBC or something similar, will
undertake doing the books for television as a mini-series, with the ability
to really explore the full content of the books and the characters. I, for
one, would gladly give up some expensive special effects in exchange for a
truer representation of our beloved books.

Panhandle




From siskiou at vcem.com  Sun Jul  9 03:31:22 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:31:22 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <001601c6a2a9$331f7470$bd5a1618@the248437c0a60>
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Message-ID: <1504877877.20060708203122@vcem.com>



Hi,

Saturday, July 8, 2006, 9:11:39 AM, penhaligon at gmail.com wrote:

> While I will continue to see each film, I no longer eagerly await them. I
> enjoy them, but no longer expect to be overwhelmed and entranced as I was
> for the first films. 

> My hope is that some years down the line, BBC or something similar, will
> undertake doing the books for television as a
> mini-series, with the ability
> to really explore the full content of the books and the characters. I, for
> one, would gladly give up some expensive special effects in exchange for a
> truer representation of our beloved books.

This is exactly how I feel about the movies.
I've given up expecting much, especially in the way of
character exploration and understand that the movie makers
think special effects are more important for some reason.
Special effect *are* important, but in HP they seem to spend
so much unnecessary time on extended chase scenes that tend
to get boring quickly, but claim there is no time for (to
me) more important and interesting storylines.
I watched the first two films multiple times in the movie
theater, but the last two only once each.
While we bought the dvds (our daughter likes the movies), I
can barely stand sitting through PoA and GoF doesn't hold
my attention much, either.
They just seem kind of empty to me compared to the books.
We barely know Ron at all, and Neville is only there for the
occasional laugh, too. Not to even mention Dean, Seamus and
the other Gryffindor girls.

I, too, hope they will some day make a mini series that will
take the time to really go into detail and actually show
characters interacting for more than a few sentences at a
time.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sun Jul  9 15:39:31 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OotP
In-Reply-To: <20060708133304.86030.qmail@web60920.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060708133304.86030.qmail@web60920.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8a8572d5446458c7023f0d4f98f90d6b@verizon.net>


On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:33 AM, can can wrote:

> >Candace said, there just is no interaction in it. It's just a bunch 
> of clips
>  >strung together. However, the graveyard scene is awesome. It is 
> going to be
>  >interesting to see how OoP turns out. It has a new screenwriter. I 
> have more
>  >hope for it though just based on casting news.
>
>  >Sandy
>
>  Hey Sandy, I said something like this about HBP long ago, the one 
> movie I'm least looking forward too because it will be a bunch of 
> clips strung together in my opinion.
>  As for Order, I just read all the books this year because of Goblet, 
> and I started with Order. It will be interesting to see how it turns 
> out because now that I've read it, it literally scares me what they 
> will take out. The first four movies I loved as is (well maybe not 
> Chamber) before I picked up a book, but now I'm afraid. The new 
> screenwriter is a plus, and new director. I just hope it's not the 
> "Dan and Emma show" again. It scares me too because David Heyman (sp?) 
> keeps apologizing for what scenes have been taken out, although he 
> hasn't said what it/they are.
>
>  peace........real love.........
>
>  Candace

I had a dream the other night that I was watching OotP at the movies. 
Somehow in my dreams, the opening date had crept up on me without my 
realizing it (doubtful!!) Anyway, in my dream, Sirius was NOT Gary 
Oldman, but somehow that didn't bother me (doubtful!) And so much was 
changed I hardly recognized the film. Hopefully this was a just a 
dream, and not just foreshadowing...:-)

My girls and I just watched "The Secret Garden". Lovely movie. It has 
Professor McGonagall/Maggie Smith in it, and the production designer 
was Stuart Craig, who did all the Harry Potter movies. Secret Garden 
definitely had that Harry Potter feel to it. The rich, dark decor with 
sepia tone/warm lighting. Craig worked on the English Patient, which 
also has that "turn-of-the-century" feel to it.
The music for Secret Garden was by Patrick Doyle, who did the music for 
GOF.

Valerie

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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  9 17:46:05 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs
Message-ID: <20060709174605.26589.qmail@web60921.mail.yahoo.com>

>While I will continue to see each film, I no longer eagerly await them. I
>enjoy them, but no longer expect to be overwhelmed and entranced as I was
f>or the first films. 
>Panhandle
   
  I guess because I'm a fan of movies first, I look forward to every film (except HBP, although I'll be first in line!LOL), but since I've read the books, I've have a new outlook.  I look at the movies as kind of spins offs.  So instead of 6 stories, we have 10 somewhat different stories.  It makes if easier for me to deal!LOL
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From tmarends at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 10 13:30:30 2006
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:30:30 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs
In-Reply-To: <1504877877.20060708203122@vcem.com>
Message-ID: <e8tkpm+sbmf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> I, too, hope they will some day make a mini series that will
> take the time to really go into detail and actually show
> characters interacting for more than a few sentences at a
> time.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne     

Mini-series??  What they need is a seven year regular series, much on 
the same line as Charmed was.

Tim                   






From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 11 14:04:26 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs
Message-ID: <20060711140426.23250.qmail@web60914.mail.yahoo.com>

>This is exactly how I feel about the movies.
I've given up expecting much, especially in the way of
character exploration and understand that the movie makers
think special effects are more important for some reason.
Special effect *are* important, but in HP they seem to spend
so much unnecessary time on extended chase scenes that tend
to get boring quickly, but claim there is no time for (to
me) more important and interesting storylines
  >Susanne
   
  That's what bothers me about Order.  David Heyman already said they filmed the Grawp scenes.  Why?  They could have so dropped in and forcused more on anything else.  But special effects wins out!  They'll cut Ron winning at qudditch for the big giant that isn't very significant in my opinion, not even in HBP.
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Jul 11 15:20:14 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:20:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was HP Flubs
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Message-ID: <009f01c6a4fd$8277d390$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I have a feeling that Grawp is going to be extremely significant in Book 7.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> >This is exactly how I feel about the movies.
> I've given up expecting much, especially in the way of
> character exploration and understand that the movie makers
> think special effects are more important for some reason.
> Special effect *are* important, but in HP they seem to spend
> so much unnecessary time on extended chase scenes that tend
> to get boring quickly, but claim there is no time for (to
> me) more important and interesting storylines
>   >Susanne
>
>   That's what bothers me about Order.  David Heyman already said they
filmed the Grawp scenes.  Why?  They could have so dropped in and forcused
more on anything else.  But special effects wins out!  They'll cut Ron
winning at qudditch for the big giant that isn't very significant in my
opinion, not even in HBP.
>   Candace
>
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 11 19:23:05 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:23:05 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs - Grawp
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I have a feeling that Grawp is going to be extremely significant in
Book 7.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "can can" <jeffschick16 at ...>
> ...
> 
> > > This is exactly how I feel about the movies.
> > > I've given up expecting much, especially in the way of
> > > character exploration and understand ...
> > > Susanne

> > Candace:
> >
> > That's what bothers me about Order. David Heyman already 
> > said they filmed the Grawp scenes.  Why?  ...
> >   Candace
> >

bboyminn:

A lot of people were disappointed with Grawp's apperance in the books.
The common question is 'what purpose does he serve?'

JKR needs something to happen, she needs the Thestral to come and
rescue Harry and the gang and take them to the Ministry, but how?
Simply Thestrals are attracked to blood. Now we have to come up with
some blood. OK, let's introduce Hagrid's brother, have him stubble
onto the Centaur scene, have the Centaurs attack him, and have him
bleed on Harry and Hermione. Problem solved. 

Yes, Grawp may have some larger role (forgive the pun) in later books,
but his role in OotP was to bleed and nothing more. 

Making things happen in a story is not alway easy. I was writing a HP
fiction and needed one character to make one comment, and I had to
write 10,000 words of plot twist and turn to manuver my character into
a position where he was able to make his comment. Sometime huge
expanses of story are really nothing more than the author manuvering
his/her characters into a specific situation. How they got there
should certainly be interesting, but is not as important as them
actually being where they eventually need to be.

I think that's what Grawp was in OotP, simply a process for manuvering
Harry and Hermione into a position where they were able to do what
they need to do. If there ever was a clear and conciser definition of
'plot device' than Grawp, I don't know what it could be.

I suspect, besides a cool special effect, in the up coming movie,
that's all Grawp will be again; a means for Harry and Hermione to get
from where they are at to where they need to be.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn








From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Jul 11 21:31:08 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:31:08 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs - Grawp
In-Reply-To: <e90tqp+b1jh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e915as+eipp@eGroups.com>

SNIPPED:
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> A lot of people were disappointed with Grawp's apperance in the 
books.
> The common question is 'what purpose does he serve?'
> 
> JKR needs something to happen, she needs the Thestral to come and
> rescue Harry and the gang and take them to the Ministry, but how?
> Simply Thestrals are attracked to blood. Now we have to come up with
> some blood. OK, let's introduce Hagrid's brother, have him stubble
> onto the Centaur scene, have the Centaurs attack him, and have him
> bleed on Harry and Hermione. Problem solved. 
> 
> Yes, Grawp may have some larger role (forgive the pun) in later 
books,
> but his role in OotP was to bleed and nothing more. 
> 
> Making things happen in a story is not alway easy. I was writing a 
HP
> fiction and needed one character to make one comment, and I had to
> write 10,000 words of plot twist and turn to manuver my character 
into
> a position where he was able to make his comment. Sometime huge
> expanses of story are really nothing more than the author manuvering
> his/her characters into a specific situation. How they got there
> should certainly be interesting, but is not as important as them
> actually being where they eventually need to be.
> 
> I think that's what Grawp was in OotP, simply a process for 
manuvering
> Harry and Hermione into a position where they were able to do what
> they need to do. If there ever was a clear and conciser definition 
of
> 'plot device' than Grawp, I don't know what it could be.
> 
> I suspect, besides a cool special effect, in the up coming movie,
> that's all Grawp will be again; a means for Harry and Hermione to 
get
> from where they are at to where they need to be.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Jen D. here, with her two cents!
JKR has taken a beating on the other site for using "plot devices" 
and on other sites as well from members who can't help themselves 
from talking about Harry! I believe on the LOTR site I frequent, she 
was ruled out from being as great as Tolkien for introducing 
characters late in the game just to achieve some plot design. I guess 
I am a pushover because I couldn't figure out to what the humble 
writer was referring. GAWP of course! But I maintain faith in JKR 
that she's got a plan that will make Gawp indispensible. Afterall, 
the rule is the stuff that's in the movies has to be there, right? 
And yes, anything we like that doesn't appear, however heart-breaking 
(like a "Shrieking Shack" scene that holds water and reflects the 
great chasem that Harry must traverse in order to see Sirius as 
something other than his parents' murderer...)just doesn't matter in 
the long run. Boo hoo.
Jen D. 
>







From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 11 22:28:08 2006
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:28:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What trio? /was HP Flubs
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can can <jeffschick16 at yahoo.com> wrote:          >That's what bothers me about Order. David Heyman already said they filmed the Grawp scenes. Why? They could have so dropped in and forcused more on anything else. <snip>
  Wootshanks sez:
  Maybe Grawp plays an important role in book 7.  You're right, they could play it any other way.  What does Grawp do?  He chases away the Centaurs.  They could have Hagrid showing up to do that...or a dragon shows up...or Harry and Hrmione cast some spells, or whatever!
  The directors consult with JK, right?  I suspect that she told them that Grawp is important later , so they put him in.  Or maybe, as you say, they went for the special effects angle!


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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Jul 12 22:36:39 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:36:39 -0000
Subject: What trio? /was HP Flubs
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Paul W <wootshanks at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:          >That's what bothers me 
about Order. David Heyman already said they filmed the Grawp scenes. 
Why? They could have so dropped in and forcused more on anything 
else. <snip>
>   Wootshanks sez:
>   Maybe Grawp plays an important role in book 7.  You're right, 
they could play it any other way.  What does Grawp do?  He chases 
away the Centaurs.  They could have Hagrid showing up to do that...or 
a dragon shows up...or Harry and Hrmione cast some spells, or 
whatever!
>   The directors consult with JK, right?  I suspect that she told 
them that Grawp is important later , so they put him in.  Or maybe, 
as you say, they went for the special effects angle!
> 
>
Jen D here:
As someone earlier (Steve, I believe) said, it's all about the blood. 
Grawp had to spill blood to make the thestrals appear! But I do 
agree, there has to be a bigger reason for Grawp. It will be fun 
later to go back to all these disparate movies and finally SEE the 
threads she was weaving and we didn't even realize it. Another point: 
no more Dobby since COS. If he appears in this film then you know 
BAM! He's important. If he's not in it, can't imagine he'll return 
again. I felt sure he was a goner from the films when he didn't 
appear in GOF but I'm not sure anymore. The film people are ruthless. 
If they need him later, they'll figure out how to get him in just as 
much (or as little) as they need. Just figure there won't be a Grawp 
payoff until the 7th film. They could easily leave him out of an HPB 
film and I bet they do!
Yours theoretically,
Jen D.







From wootshanks at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 13 09:51:36 2006
From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
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susanbones2003 <rkdas at charter.net> wrote:          Jen D here:
As someone earlier (Steve, I believe) said, it's all about the blood. 
Grawp had to spill blood to make the thestrals appear! <snip>
  Yours theoretically,
Jen D.
*
*
Wootshanks sez:
  Not necessarily.  You know how the movie people are.  They could have the blood come from Hagrid (as he saves them from the Centaurs).  Harry and Hermione could have gotten cut during the struggle...grazed by a stray arrow.  The Thestrals could just show up on their own for no apparent reason.
  I suspect they put Grawp in for what's coming in book 7, and as was mentioned before, the special effects aspect.
  Personally...I can't wait!!!
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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 18 03:10:27 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <20060718031027.39086.qmail@web60915.mail.yahoo.com>

Now that there's speculation about making part of Order in 3D, I can see a major reason why Grawp would be in it.  I see the bleeding point of course, but those kids bleed in every movie at random.
  And speaking of Book/Movie 7, does anyone really think they will make a movie of book 7?  By the way the cast talk, I can't really see it happening.  IF they did, I would be shocked. And it would be a REALLY long movie, which I'm fine with length, i'm one of those nutty HP fans that would sit through a 4 hour movie.lol 



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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Jul 18 14:56:00 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:56:00 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP camp
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My 8 year old girls just started 'Summer at Hogwarts' camp this week. 
It's a 2 week day camp in the Northern Virginia area, sponsored by the 
Brownies.
My girls were hoping it would be at the Hogwarts castle (LOL!). It's a 
regular camp, but sounds like so much fun; I wish I were young again or 
  could take 2 weeks off my job to be a camp counselor! :-)
Their version of Professor Dumbledore is named Professor Irish. She 
greeted the kids wearing full length green robes with shamrocks on it, 
and a matching sorceror's hat. (It's been 100 degrees F, yesterday and 
today. Yikes!)
  They get sorted into houses with the sorting hat.
My girls' unit is called the Pygmy Puffs. They made cute little purple 
pygmy puffs,
then a magician came to entertain the 'school'.
Today is 'Dress as your favorite HP character' day. I put non-permanent 
orange hair coloring on my girls hair, and they became "Georgina and 
Frederika Weasley" (they are twins, but didn't want to be BOYS of 
course!) One kid dressed as "Snuffles" with a great black dog mask; 
another as the "Giant Squid" with tentacles all over her! I thought 
that one was quite clever.
They will also have "Bring your Owl to Camp" day; "Come as your true 
Animagus" day. Now doesn't that sound infinitely more exciting than my 
graphics job in the editorial dept. of a transportation 
association!!?!! :-O

Now back to reality...sigh...
Valerie




From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Jul 18 20:44:48 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:44:48 -0000
Subject: HP camp
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> My 8 year old girls just started 'Summer at Hogwarts' camp this 
week. 
> It's a 2 week day camp in the Northern Virginia area, sponsored by 
the 
> Brownies.
> My girls were hoping it would be at the Hogwarts castle (LOL!). 
It's a 
> regular camp, but sounds like so much fun; I wish I were young 
again or 
>   could take 2 weeks off my job to be a camp counselor! :-)
> Their version of Professor Dumbledore is named Professor Irish. She 
> greeted the kids wearing full length green robes with shamrocks on 
it, 
> and a matching sorceror's hat. (It's been 100 degrees F, yesterday 
and 
> today. Yikes!)
>   They get sorted into houses with the sorting hat.
> My girls' unit is called the Pygmy Puffs. They made cute little 
purple 
> pygmy puffs,
> then a magician came to entertain the 'school'.
> Today is 'Dress as your favorite HP character' day. I put non-
permanent 
> orange hair coloring on my girls hair, and they became "Georgina 
and 
> Frederika Weasley" (they are twins, but didn't want to be BOYS of 
> course!) One kid dressed as "Snuffles" with a great black dog mask; 
> another as the "Giant Squid" with tentacles all over her! I thought 
> that one was quite clever.
> They will also have "Bring your Owl to Camp" day; "Come as your 
true 
> Animagus" day. Now doesn't that sound infinitely more exciting than 
my 
> graphics job in the editorial dept. of a transportation 
> association!!?!! :-O
> 
> Now back to reality...sigh...
> Valerie

Wow that sounds like fun! And congrats on the girls' transformation! 
I never would have thought of that but it fits right in with the 
creative spirit of the camp! How much vacation time do you get and 
could you put in for it next year if they continue with this theme 
which I am sure will be enormously popular? We do go to great lengths 
to live out our favorite fantasy! As I remember, you were having a 
hard time getting to see GOF in IMAX but you did get there (if memory 
serves)! Long live a vital fantasy life!
Jen D. (contemplating my choice of animagus...)

>







From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 18 22:02:55 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Elizabeth L. Chase)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <20060718220255.13124.qmail@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Posted by: "can can" jeffschick16 at yahoo.com   jeffschick16   Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:27 pm (PST)   <snip>
  >And speaking of Book/Movie 7, does anyone really think they will make a movie of book 7? By the way the cast talk, I can't really see it happening. IF they did, I would >be shocked. And it would be a REALLY long movie, which I'm fine with length, i'm one of those nutty HP fans that would sit through a 4 hour movie.lol 

Really?  I wasn't aware of any talk from the cast about not making a movie of #7.  As for length, GoF and OotP are long books and they were cut to the basic story for the movies (an assumption for OotP of course) so I imagine the same thing can be done with #7.  Think about it, if there's not going to be a movie #7, they'd better not make HBP.  Won't the movie goers be as interested in what happens after HBP as we readers are?
   
   


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Tue Jul 18 21:42:39 2006
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:42:39 -0500
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <002a01c6aab3$187e34f0$22a0cdd1@RVotaw>

Candace writes:

> And speaking of Book/Movie 7, does anyone really think they will make a 
> movie of book 7? By the way the cast
> talk, I can't really see it happening. IF they did, I would be shocked. 
> And it would be a REALLY long movie, which
> I'm fine with length, i'm one of those nutty HP fans that would sit 
> through a 4 hour movie.lol

I'm not sure what you're referring to about the way the cast talk meaning 
they won't make a movie of Book 7.  Ever since the first movie every single 
cast member has said they're "taking it one movie at a time."  I don't see 
why they'd stop before finishing the story.  And we haven't any idea of how 
long the book will be, so how can we make guesses as to how long a movie 
will be?  If they can make OotP into a movie of reasonable length I doubt 
Book 7 will be any longer.

Richelle 





From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 19 03:39:43 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:39:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: HP camp
Message-ID: <20060719033943.71454.qmail@web60914.mail.yahoo.com>

AWESOME!!!!!!  I wish I had kids so I can send them there!  Heck, I wish I could go!LOL


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 20 02:18:32 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:18:32 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: HP camp
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>  Wow that sounds like fun! And congrats on the girls' transformation!
>  I never would have thought of that but it fits right in with the
>  creative spirit of the camp! How much vacation time do you get and
>  could you put in for it next year if they continue with this theme
>  which I am sure will be enormously popular? We do go to great lengths
>  to live out our favorite fantasy! As I remember, you were having a
>  hard time getting to see GOF in IMAX but you did get there (if memory
>  serves)! Long live a vital fantasy life!
>  Jen D. (contemplating my choice of animagus...)

Well, having kids means most of my vacation time goes to their sick 
time, unfortunately!
And yes, that was me, and I was so glad that I finally got to see GOF 
in IMAX (we were watching it yet again tonight at home!)
Choice of animagus...that is an interesting thought. I love how JKR 
fleshed out her characters with their animagus (i.e. Sirius, the dark 
moody/dog; James, the strutting stag; Wormtail, the rat fink.
And I can't wait to see what Tonks looks like in HP5!
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 20 02:55:17 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:55:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 7th  HP film/director chosen?
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Speaking of whether or not there will be a 7th film made...I just saw 
this online. There's the link if you want to read the full blurb.
Valerie
Shyamalan has a sixth sense about Potter film

ONE of Hollywood's leading directors yesterday staked a claim to direct 
the last of the Harry Potter films, promising to make a darker product 
with "serious" conflict at its heart.
MNight Shyamalan, director of 1999 box office hit The Sixth Sense, said 
he wanted to translate the last instalment in the Potter saga to the 
big screen. JK Rowling is still writing the seventh and final Harry 
Potter novel, but has revealed that two main characters will die.

http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=1043542006

PS. So, who do you think is going to die? Do you think JKR really 
admitted that?
Here's my theory: Big final battle between Harry and Voldemort. Ginny 
jumps in to save Harry, and Voldemort kills her. Harry is devastated. 
He realizes that the only way that he can rid the wizarding world of 
the evil Voldemort is to sacrifice himself (the final horcrux). So he 
lets Voldemort kill him, and his spirit joins Ginny, his parents, 
Dumbledore and Sirius on the 'other side'. Ron and Hermione are 
devastated, but they will find solace in each other.  The End.

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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 04:09:30 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:09:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <20060720040930.48354.qmail@web60912.mail.yahoo.com>

I'm of course only assuming that Book 7 would be long because, well it's the last one, and every book since Prisoner has been fairly long.  And stripping the stories to condense them into a movie format isn't necessarily better in my opinion, although I love the movies anyway, but all the loose ends and just story that will happen in the 7th shouldn't be just scraps of what a possilbly long book would be on the screen.  
  As for the way the cast has talked about it.  It seems that they maybe getting kind of tired of how long it takes to make the movies.  Dan's even said he doesn't know about going all the way, he just knows what he's doing next.  Rupert used to say that same kind of thing, now he just says yeah it would be great to do all of the them.  Also even one of the adult actors....guessing, but maybe Robbie....even said it takes so long, you can't do anything else once your locked in, although he's already done filming for Order which is interesting, even with a hiatus. Anyhow, I'm just going by some of the comments they've made, some of the stalling of answering the questions, whatever, I could be reading more into it then it is....too many psych classes!LOL
  Personally, for the moviegoers (only), I think it could end with HBP.  Lots of movies end with a hint of some new great adventure coming but you know there won't be a movie about it.  So Harry saying i'm not going back to school and looking for a bits of Volderdork's soul can seem like one of those endings in my opinion.  Now for someone like myself, i would need whatever movie book 7 is made into, because I was obssessed before I read the books.



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From dk59us at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 17:13:59 2006
From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:13:59 -0000
Subject: 7th  HP film/director chosen?
In-Reply-To: <345a169e6aacadcf528b180b40092279@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e9odkn+l74a@eGroups.com>

Valerie wrote:
>
> Speaking of whether or not there will be a 7th film made...I just  
> saw this online. There's the link if you want to read the full 
> blurb.

> Shyamalan has a sixth sense about Potter film
> 
> ONE of Hollywood's leading directors yesterday staked a claim to 
> direct the last of the Harry Potter films, promising to make a  
> darker product with "serious" conflict at its heart.
> MNight Shyamalan, director of 1999 box office hit The Sixth Sense,  
> said he wanted to translate the last instalment in the Potter saga  
> to the big screen. JK Rowling is still writing the seventh and final  
> Harry Potter novel, but has revealed that two main characters will 
> die.
> http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=1043542006
> 
> PS. So, who do you think is going to die? Do you think JKR really 
> admitted that?
<snip>

Now Eustace_Scrubb:
Interesting.  The question is will Shyamalan still want to make the
movie _after_ he finds out what's in the book?

The Scotsman article misinterpreted JKR's comments about death in the
7th book.  She did not say that "two main characters" will die.  She
said that two characters who she hadn't expected to die will end up
doing so and that her husband gasped when told the identity of one of
them.  So I suppose that might be a main character.  (Or maybe JKR's
hubby really likes bubble gum and couldn't believe she'd kill off
Mr.Droobles?<g>) She also said that one character who she had planned
to kill off will actually survive.

I'm afraid this doesn't tell us much about the actual death toll or
whether there's "serious conflict" at the heart of the book.  Both
JKR's comments and Shyamalan's are mainly aimed at keeping themselves,
the book and the eventual movie in the public eye...and they're
succeeding quite well.

Cheers,

Eustace_Scrubb







From siskiou at vcem.com  Thu Jul 20 18:21:15 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:21:15 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: 7th  HP film/director chosen?
In-Reply-To: <e9odkn+l74a@eGroups.com>
References: <345a169e6aacadcf528b180b40092279@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <1493823036.20060720112115@vcem.com>



Hi,

Thursday, July 20, 2006, 10:13:59 AM, dk59us at yahoo.com wrote:

> She did not say that "two main characters" will die.

She did say that the DEs don't go for the extras when asked
to specify, do Mr. Droobles is out, I'd say. ;)

And these two are in *addition* to whomever she had planned
to kill already. :(

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 20 18:26:06 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP camp
In-Reply-To: <8fd059d8976384aa7b113f650fd3a7da@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20060720182606.84444.qmail@web52906.mail.yahoo.com>

    hey Valerie. 
      that sounds wonderful.
      your little girl is now a wizardette.  is she atlise in the house of gryffindors.??
   
       anyhoo, yack at ya later,mike .
  

Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
          My 8 year old girls just started 'Summer at Hogwarts' camp this week. 
It's a 2 week day camp in the Northern Virginia area, sponsored by the 
Brownies.
My girls were hoping it would be at the Hogwarts castle (LOL!). It's a 
regular camp, but sounds like so much fun; I wish I were young again or 
could take 2 weeks off my job to be a camp counselor! :-)
Their version of Professor Dumbledore is named Professor Irish. She 
greeted the kids wearing full length green robes with shamrocks on it, 
and a matching sorceror's hat. (It's been 100 degrees F, yesterday and 
today. Yikes!)
They get sorted into houses with the sorting hat.
My girls' unit is called the Pygmy Puffs. They made cute little purple 
pygmy puffs,
then a magician came to entertain the 'school'.
Today is 'Dress as your favorite HP character' day. I put non-permanent 
orange hair coloring on my girls hair, and they became "Georgina and 
Frederika Weasley" (they are twins, but didn't want to be BOYS of 
course!) One kid dressed as "Snuffles" with a great black dog mask; 
another as the "Giant Squid" with tentacles all over her! I thought 
that one was quite clever.
They will also have "Bring your Owl to Camp" day; "Come as your true 
Animagus" day. Now doesn't that sound infinitely more exciting than my 
graphics job in the editorial dept. of a transportation 
association!!?!! :-O

Now back to reality...sigh...
Valerie



         

 		
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From juli17 at aol.com  Fri Jul 21 04:30:33 2006
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:30:33 EDT
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <562.2700b7f.31f1b269@aol.com>

 
Candace wrote:

Personally, for the moviegoers (only), I think it could end with HBP.   Lots 
of movies end with a hint of some new great adventure coming but you know  
there won't be a movie about it.  So Harry saying i'm not going back to  school 
and looking for a bits of Volderdork's soul can seem like one of those  endings 
in my opinion.  Now for someone like myself, i would need  whatever movie 
book 7 is made into, because I was obssessed before I read the  books.





Julie:
I actually think the 7th *book* will end with a hint of some new great  
adventure 
coming for Harry and those who survive. They'll all continue to exist and  
have
adventures in their world parellel to ours (which is kind of a neat idea).  
If the
movies did end with HBP, it wouldn't really leave us with a hint of a new  
great 
adventure, but an abrupt cliffhanger to a story spanning six previous  movies,
that being the story of Harry Potter the Boy Who Lived and his destiny  to
confront the bane of his (and many other wizards') existence, Lord  Voldemort.
It's really been one long story, after all. 
 
But I feel certain if a 6th movie is made then a 7th one will  
follow--really, why
would Warner Bros consider for a moment giving up THAT revenue?!!.  I'd
also point out that we don't really know what will happen in Book 7,  other
than a final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort. Harry *says*  he's
not going back to school, but he's not writing Book 7 ;-) And those  horcruxes
do need to be destroyed, but we can't even be sure Harry will do it, let  
alone
how long it will take. In fact, what we *think* will happen is almost sure  
not
to happen, if previous track records for predictions are any  indication!
 
Julie
 


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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Fri Jul 21 18:55:20 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:55:20 -0000
Subject: MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
Message-ID: <e9r7uo+8e5i@eGroups.com>

I saw the earlier post where someone mentioned his name and I saw 
something on The Leaky Cauldron about him mentioning how he would love 
to direct #7. Personally I hope NOT. Though his films have been 
interesting, I just don't see him as fitting with the Harry Potter 
films. I am interested to see who they do pick though for #6 and #7. I 
think for 7 they need to pick someone who is good at climatic scenes 
and closure because that is the final book and I am sure there will be 
some climatic scenes. For #6 I keep think Peter Jackson might be a 
good fit. I love what he did visually with LOTR - you could feel being 
in the Dwarven city underground or Shelob's lair. So I know he would 
do a wonderful job with the cave scenes (we know he already did dead 
people floating in the water). Plus Peter doesn't forget the 
relationships between the characters and though I have liked some of 
Shyamalan's films sometimes I think his characters lack depth. Anyway, 
it will be interesting to see who is chosen. What do you all think 
about Shyamalan? Who would you like to see?

Theresa






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 21 19:28:31 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:28:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
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I personally cannot see MNight directing any movie that didn't have a story
of his own making. I think it would be a HUGE mistake artistically and
probably everyone would hate each other by the time it was done (if they
could even finish it.) Just my impression.





From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Fri Jul 21 19:23:41 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:23:41 -0000
Subject: Jackson
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
>Peter doesn't forget the relationships between the characters>

I don't know about him forgetting or remembering the characters and
their relationships - the problem is that whenever he thinks about
them he gets them totally wrong!






From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 21 19:41:13 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:41:13 -0000
Subject: MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
> Theresa:
>
> I saw the earlier post where someone mentioned his name .... 
> Personally I hope NOT. Though his films have been interesting,
> I just on't see him as fitting with the Harry Potter films. 
> .... I think for 7 they need to pick someone who is good at 
> climatic scenes .... For #6 I keep think Peter Jackson might 
> be a good fit. ... What do you all think about Shyamalan? Who
> would you like to see?
> 
> Theresa
>

bboyminn:

Well, of all the directors you could have suggested, I think Jackson
and Shyamalan are excellent. Peter Jackson would have been good for
any of the movies. When he has a passion for his work, he is able to
create wonderful movies. I remember seeing 'King Kong' which was
somewhat lacking because it was a remake of a classic B-Grade movie.
Yet, I watched the way he used the camera, the way he allowed scenes
and character to develop (with in the limits of movies), no sense of
being rushed. The movie was predictable, but Jackson's structure and
technique were excellent in my opinion. So, really, he would work for
any of the HP movies.

I think Shyamalan would be excellent for the final movie. I predict
book 7 will be dark, very dark; Harry will be pushed to the limit of
human endurance and beyond. I further predict the movie will take us
to places we never imagined. So, I think we need a director with that
'dark' sense; someone who can see the world beyond the world. 

Also, Shyamalan doesn't seem intent on making 'Hollywood block
busters', he has an artistic vision in every one of his movie.
Further, his movie aren't marketing vehicles. They aren't constructed
to target a specific 14 to 24 male movie going audience. His movie are
very unique and visionary. He doesn't kow-tow to demographics.

Consequently, I think Shyamalan would make an excellent director for
the final story.

In his comment about the possibility of directing the 7th Harry Potter
movie, he said things about 'owning the movie', 'making it his own',
etc.... In a later interview, he explain that he fully intended to
stay true to Rowling's vision. So, I think the 'us vs them' that was
reflected in the 'owning the movie' comment wasn't Him vs JKR, but Him
vs the Corporate Big-wigs. Because none of his movie kow-tow to
demographics or corporate marketing, I think he would give us the
truest and most complete vision of the final book. That is, the truest
vision within the limits of movie making. 

I would love to see Jackson direct one of the movies, but the more I
think about it, the more I think Shyamalan is a good fit for the final
movie.

Just one man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn







From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Jul 21 21:15:17 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:15:17 -0000
Subject: MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I personally cannot see MNight directing any movie that didn't have a 
story
> of his own making. I think it would be a HUGE mistake artistically and
> probably everyone would hate each other by the time it was done (if 
they
> could even finish it.) Just my impression.

Hi K,
I agree. Manoj is a fantastic director but he's his own man. I can not 
begin to imagine what he's do to HP to make it something he'd be 
interested in doing. The internal logic of HP (what plot lines have to 
be served, how to keep characters that are necessary) all that would be 
clear by 7, but how could he limit himself to the story before him? His 
overwhelming creative genius would have to be served and I am very gun-
shy of another auteur taking up Harry. The temprement of a director has 
to match the material. Peter Jackson took lots of liberties with LOTR 
but he seemed to have a feel for what the story was about, the heart of 
it. I would see someone with that much love for Harry do the last 2 
films. 
Jen D.
>








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 22 03:32:17 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:32:17 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] HP camp
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On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:26 PM, Mike Daron wrote:

>  hey Valerie.
>  that sounds wonderful.
>  your little girl is now a wizardette. is she atlise in the house of 
> gryffindors.??
>
>  anyhoo, yack at ya later,mike .

Yes, of course! In fact, all we could find at the costume store were 
Slytheryn costumes (wonder why?!), so the morning of dress up day, I 
was cutting out the green lining, printing out a Gryffindor logo and 
slapping it over the Slytheryn logo!
Today at camp they were playing Quidditch, though somehow I can't 
picture that without broomsticks. I guess it would be similar to 
soccer??
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Jul 22 03:47:46 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:47:46 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
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<snip>
> What do you all think
>  about Shyamalan? Who would you like to see?
>
>  Theresa

I've only seen the "Sixth Sense" which was creepy, but certainly not 
'specially effects-driven' like HP films are. I'd like to see 'The Lady 
in the Water' which opened here in the US today.
Valerie


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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 22 14:34:42 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
Message-ID: <20060722143442.49120.qmail@web60915.mail.yahoo.com>

Steve said:
  >I think Shyamalan would be excellent for the final movie. I predict
>book 7 will be dark, very dark; Harry will be pushed to the limit of
>human endurance and beyond. I further predict the movie will take us
>to places we never imagined. So, I think we need a director with that
>'dark' sense; someone who can see the world beyond the world. 

  Steve I absolutly agree with you.  Book 7 is going to be very dark, darker then Order, and M Knight would do a wonderful job with that film.  Personally, I wish he was making Order, a TV director making a dark HP film worries me alittle, but I'll still be first in line.  He can provide that visual creepiness and uncertainty that not only the story lines themselves provide.  When I first read the article of him directing a HP film, which I'm glad to see a director so already in love with the stories because I know he'd want to provide the real story not a big hollywood blockbuster that would strip the story to action scenes, I was worried they meant HBP.  Now, he's a good director, but HBP even with DD's death, and the big cave scene, is just not dark enough for me to see him doing it.  But IF they do the 7th movie, I hope he's the one for sure.
   
  Jen said:
  >But I feel certain if a 6th movie is made then a 7th one will 
>follow--really, why
>would Warner Bros consider for a moment giving up THAT revenue?!!. 
   
  I don't know if it would be entirely up to WB to make the 7th.  It's their money and right, as long ask JKR says so, to make the movies of course, but if the actors aren't locked into a contract to go all the way, they can walk at the end of whatever they are signed for.  I mean, if the actors don't want to do it, I suppose they can replace people here and there and make their movie anyway.  But wouldn't it be weird to have a different Hagrid or a different member of the trio?  We got a different DD because the first one passed.  Heyman or whomever is very good with keeping the same kids in the movies, even extras.  I mean did anyone notice that the 2 kids on the extras of Chamber that were talking about Harry being a parsel mouth and how Justin was told to stay in his dorm, etc, were in Goblet asking Harry if he like the badge?  That was cool!lol  I just wished everyone (cast) sounded more excited about taking it all the way.
   
  Valerie said:
  >PS. So, who do you think is going to die? Do you think JKR really 
>admitted that?
>Here's my theory: Big final battle between Harry and Voldemort. Ginny 
j>umps in to save Harry, and Voldemort kills her. Harry is devastated. 
>He realizes that the only way that he can rid the wizarding world of 
t>he evil Voldemort is to sacrifice himself (the final horcrux). So he 
>lets Voldemort kill him, and his spirit joins Ginny, his parents, 
>Dumbledore and Sirius on the 'other side'. Ron and Hermione are 
>devastated, but they will find solace in each other. The End.
   
  I've been debating with myself about it being Harry for sure because he is a Horcrux, or that he'll just have some major damage done to him like Mad-Moody!LOL  I PRAY he doesn't die to save Ginny, that would just annoy me.  Die for the wizarding world, or even for Ron and/or Hermione, but for a 2 minute romance, I hope not.  I think it would be someone close to Harry.  Besides Ron and Hermione, the next in line is Hagrid.  It would take a lot to take him down, but it can happen, I guess.  Then there's Arthur and Molly who would also do anything for Harry.  Who knows?  But I'll tell you who I hope it is, Pettigrew, although there's a hint that he might save Harry from what I don't know, or Snape, which he, besides Harry, has the most mystery surrounding his character so he maybe good or bad.  Then of course there's Malfoy who is just alittle punk and needs to go down.




peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul 22 22:00:12 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: MNight Shyamalan as a HP director
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Steve,
   
  You described Shyamalan very well. I also love his movies and would love to see him add his brilliance to the Harry Potter series. 


Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From ladypensieve at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 23 18:45:00 2006
From: ladypensieve at yahoo.com (Kathy)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:45:00 -0000
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
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There's an article at 
http://www.canmag.com/news/4/8/4433
regarding the release of Book 7.  If it's correct, I doubt that 
anything can happen to the trio just because it wouldn't only ruin 
Book 7, but being released less than a week before OOP, would also 
destroy box office receipts...so I agree with Julie.

KathyO


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, juli17 at ... wrote:
>
>  
> Candace wrote:
> 
> Personally, for the moviegoers (only), I think it could end with 
HBP.   Lots 
> of movies end with a hint of some new great adventure coming but 
you know  
> there won't be a movie about it.  So Harry saying i'm not going 
back to  school 
> and looking for a bits of Volderdork's soul can seem like one of 
those  endings 
> in my opinion.  Now for someone like myself, i would need  
whatever movie 
> book 7 is made into, because I was obssessed before I read the  
books.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Julie:
> I actually think the 7th *book* will end with a hint of some new 
great  
> adventure 
> coming for Harry and those who survive. They'll all continue to 
exist and  
> have
> adventures in their world parellel to ours (which is kind of a 
neat idea).  
> If the
> movies did end with HBP, it wouldn't really leave us with a hint 
of a new  
> great 
> adventure, but an abrupt cliffhanger to a story spanning six 
previous  movies,
> that being the story of Harry Potter the Boy Who Lived and his 
destiny  to
> confront the bane of his (and many other wizards') existence, 
Lord  Voldemort.
> It's really been one long story, after all. 
>  
> But I feel certain if a 6th movie is made then a 7th one will  
> follow--really, why
> would Warner Bros consider for a moment giving up THAT 
revenue?!!.  I'd
> also point out that we don't really know what will happen in Book 
7,  other
> than a final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort. Harry 
*says*  he's
> not going back to school, but he's not writing Book 7 ;-) And 
those  horcruxes
> do need to be destroyed, but we can't even be sure Harry will do 
it, let  
> alone
> how long it will take. In fact, what we *think* will happen is 
almost sure  
> not
> to happen, if previous track records for predictions are any  
indication!
>  
> Julie
>  
> 
> 
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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 24 00:18:37 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
Message-ID: <20060724001837.2669.qmail@web60916.mail.yahoo.com>

Kathy, thanks for sending that article.  That would be awesome if it was released on 7/7/07, not because it's sooner in the year than I expected, but 7 is a magical number.  It's a great way to end the series for the book fans.



peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 24 00:21:28 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Birthday Wishes
Message-ID: <20060724002128.4353.qmail@web60917.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy 17th Birthday to the boy who plays our Boy-Who-Lived!  Aww they grow up so fast don't they?lol



peace........real love.........

Candace

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From ashlee_kidman at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 24 08:04:47 2006
From: ashlee_kidman at yahoo.com (Ashlee Jones)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Peter Jackson as a HP director
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From krussell98 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 24 17:47:30 2006
From: krussell98 at comcast.net (Kathi Russell)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:47:30 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Movies vs Books (was What trio?)
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And because it's my birthday!!!  What a GREAT birthday present :)
LK




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  Kathy, thanks for sending that article. That would be awesome if it was released on 7/7/07, not because it's sooner in the year than I expected, but 7 is a magical number. It's a great way to end the series for the book fans.

  peace........real love.........

  Candace

  "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

  "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!" Sharon Osbourne

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From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 26 16:44:08 2006
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:44:08 -0000
Subject: Quentin Tarantino (was  M Night Shyamalan as a HP director)
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can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:

> Book 7 is going to be very dark,
> darker then Order

Yes, I think that's true.

> and M Knight would do a wonderful
> job with that film. 

Well, he's a pretty good director but I fear we'd end up with a M
Night Shyamalan movie not a Harry Potter movie. Peter Jackson would be
a better choice, but Quentin Tarantino would be even better. Nobody
can direct action sequences better than him, and as a screenwriter
nobody can write better dialog. And we know Tarantino can be faithful
to a book, novelist Elmore Leonard said Tarantino's film "Jackie
Brown" was the best adaptation of any of his books.

 Eggplant











From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Jul 27 11:19:21 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:19:21 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Quentin Tarantino (was  M Night Shyamalan as a HP
 director)
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>  Well, he's a pretty good director but I fear we'd end up with a M
>  Night Shyamalan movie not a Harry Potter movie. Peter Jackson would be
>  a better choice, but Quentin Tarantino would be even better. Nobody
>  can direct action sequences better than him, and as a screenwriter
>  nobody can write better dialog. And we know Tarantino can be faithful
>  to a book, novelist Elmore Leonard said Tarantino's film "Jackie
>  Brown" was the best adaptation of any of his books.
>
>  Eggplant
>
Yikes, Tarantino doing Harry Potter?! It would be nothing but blood and 
gore. I think he focuses too much on action and not enough on 
character...but that's just my two knuts. I was watching GOF again last 
night and think that Mike Newell did a very nice job with the action 
scenes. I'd like to see him finish up the series.
Valerie


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From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Jul 27 14:12:59 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:59 -0000
Subject: Quentin Tarantino (was  M Night Shyamalan as a HP director)
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> >  Well, he's a pretty good director but I fear we'd end up with a M
> >  Night Shyamalan movie not a Harry Potter movie. Peter Jackson 
would be
> >  a better choice, but Quentin Tarantino would be even better. 
Nobody
> >  can direct action sequences better than him, and as a 
screenwriter
> >  nobody can write better dialog. And we know Tarantino can be 
faithful
> >  to a book, novelist Elmore Leonard said Tarantino's film "Jackie
> >  Brown" was the best adaptation of any of his books.
> >
> >  Eggplant
> >
> Yikes, Tarantino doing Harry Potter?! It would be nothing but blood 
and 
> gore. I think he focuses too much on action and not enough on 
> character...but that's just my two knuts. I was watching GOF again 
last 
> night and think that Mike Newell did a very nice job with the 
action 
> scenes. I'd like to see him finish up the series.
> Valerie
> 
Valerie,
I agree Quentin T. would be too much for HP. He's another director 
who leaves an indelible personal stamp on any production he directs. 
I agree that Mike Newell was good. He stood back and let Harry come 
out. If the script could have made a few more connections and ended 
in a way that related at all to the story, we'd have hit a clear home 
run. But in the main, he made a good match. You could see that he 
liked the story itself, not as a vehicle for his vision. Harry is 
what matters when you are at a Harry Potter movie. It was foreboding 
when it needed to be, you did get the feeling of increasingly 
something bad was up. Let's hope that we get other directors who 
really like Harry. 
Jen D.







From eggplant107 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 28 01:40:13 2006
From: eggplant107 at hotmail.com (eggplant107)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:40:13 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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>From the Sunday Times
=====

The Times  	July 28, 2006

Harry Potter ditches the glasses . . . and all his clothes

By Jack Malvern, Arts Reporter

HE found fame wearing wizards' gowns and schoolboy scarves, but Daniel
Radcliffe has chosen to make his debut on the London stage wearing
nothing at all.

The 17-year-old actor, who is now a multimillionaire thanks to the
Harry Potter films, has been cast as the stable boy in Equus, Peter
Shaffer's controversial drama about a boy's erotic relationship with
horses.

Peter Thompson, a spokesman for the production, said that Radcliffe
would appear in the play, scheduled for early 2007 in a West End theatre.

He will play Alan Strang, a psychologically disturbed youth who is
interviewed by a psychiatrist after he blinds six horses with a metal
spike.

The role requires the actor to simulate sexual pleasure while riding
naked on his horse. It is a departure for Radcliffe, whose career has
been dominated by his part as JK Rowling's teenage wizard. He recently
finished filming December Boys, in which he plays one of four orphans
hoping to be adopted.

Richard Griffiths, who plays Harry Potter's curmudgeonly uncle in the
films, is in talks to take the psychiatrist role. It would be a
triumphant return to the London stage for the actor, who won a Tony
award for his lead role in The History Boys.

Last week, the pair were filming Harry Potter and the Order of the
Phoenix, the fifth in the series.

Shaffer's work caused a sensation when it was first staged at the
National Theatre in 1973. It transferred to Broadway, where it starred
Anthony Hopkins, and ran for 1,200 performances, making it one of the
most successful plays in New York history. It was made into a
Hollywood film starring Richard Burton in 1977.

The playwright, whose works include Amadeus and The Royal Hunt of the
Sun, based the story on a real-life incident in which a boy
inexplicably maimed six horses.

It encompasses sexual awakening, Greek mythology and religion. The
psychiatrist attempts to explain the boy's actions, but must confront
his own demons in the process.

The play was the subject of controversy recently after John Owen, a
drama teacher at Ysdgol Gyfun Rhydfelen in Pontypridd, was accused of
sexual abuse after staging it as a school play. He committed suicide
the day before he was due to appear in court.

A subsequent report by the National Assembly for Wales called for a
ban on Equus in schools.

Radcliffe's agent did not respond to inquiries last night. 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 28 02:27:48 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:27:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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I'm actually glad to see this. He's the perfect age and it might get  
him out of Potterstereotyping for later. My only thing is.....and his  
parents are worried about pictures from a Garden event on the internet?



On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:40 PM, eggplant107 wrote:

> From the Sunday Times
> =====
>
> The Times  	July 28, 2006
>
> Harry Potter ditches the glasses . . . and all his clothes
>
> By Jack Malvern, Arts Reporter
>
> HE found fame wearing wizards' gowns and schoolboy scarves, but Daniel
> Radcliffe has chosen to make his debut on the London stage wearing
> nothing at all.
>
> The 17-year-old actor, who is now a multimillionaire thanks to the
> Harry Potter films, has been cast as the stable boy in Equus, Peter
> Shaffer's controversial drama about a boy's erotic relationship with
> horses.
>
> Peter Thompson, a spokesman for the production, said that Radcliffe
> would appear in the play, scheduled for early 2007 in a West End  
> theatre.
>
> He will play Alan Strang, a psychologically disturbed youth who is
> interviewed by a psychiatrist after he blinds six horses with a metal
> spike.
>
> The role requires the actor to simulate sexual pleasure while riding
> naked on his horse. It is a departure for Radcliffe, whose career has
> been dominated by his part as JK Rowling's teenage wizard. He recently
> finished filming December Boys, in which he plays one of four orphans
> hoping to be adopted.
>
> Richard Griffiths, who plays Harry Potter's curmudgeonly uncle in the
> films, is in talks to take the psychiatrist role. It would be a
> triumphant return to the London stage for the actor, who won a Tony
> award for his lead role in The History Boys.
>
> Last week, the pair were filming Harry Potter and the Order of the
> Phoenix, the fifth in the series.
>
> Shaffer's work caused a sensation when it was first staged at the
> National Theatre in 1973. It transferred to Broadway, where it starred
> Anthony Hopkins, and ran for 1,200 performances, making it one of the
> most successful plays in New York history. It was made into a
> Hollywood film starring Richard Burton in 1977.
>
> The playwright, whose works include Amadeus and The Royal Hunt of the
> Sun, based the story on a real-life incident in which a boy
> inexplicably maimed six horses.
>
> It encompasses sexual awakening, Greek mythology and religion. The
> psychiatrist attempts to explain the boy's actions, but must confront
> his own demons in the process.
>
> The play was the subject of controversy recently after John Owen, a
> drama teacher at Ysdgol Gyfun Rhydfelen in Pontypridd, was accused of
> sexual abuse after staging it as a school play. He committed suicide
> the day before he was due to appear in court.
>
> A subsequent report by the National Assembly for Wales called for a
> ban on Equus in schools.
>
> Radcliffe's agent did not respond to inquiries last night.
>
>
>
>
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From kfreimu at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 03:13:41 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (kristaf0726)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:13:41 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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You would think that there would be a clause in his HP contract that 
says he can't be in anything that would tarnish his image as HP. At 
least it is stage and not a movie.
Krista

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> From the Sunday Times
> =====
> 
> The Times  	July 28, 2006
> 
> Harry Potter ditches the glasses . . . and all his clothes
> 








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri Jul 28 05:41:56 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:41:56 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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WOW! I'M ASTONISHED that Dan would do something like this. It does 
sound quite controversial and a bit creepy (sex on a horse, blinding 
horses with a spike?!) It certainly is a departure from his squeaky 
clean HP role, but I can't help feeling that that is swinging too far 
the other way. Sorry, I know I'm sounding puritanical...but he's still 
only 17! [Of course I had a problem with the movie 'The Squid and the 
Whale' when the younger brother, 11 or so, was masturbating in the 
school library and spreading his 'stuff' on the library books and other 
kids' lockers. So I guess I'm just squeamish that way.]
Though I must say I wouldn't mind being in the audience to see how Dan 
does with the performance...ok, not gonna go there!
Valerie

On Jul 27, 2006, at 9:40 PM, eggplant107 wrote:

> From the Sunday Times
>  =====
>
>  The Times July 28, 2006
>
>  Harry Potter ditches the glasses . . . and all his clothes
>
>  By Jack Malvern, Arts Reporter
>
>  HE found fame wearing wizards' gowns and schoolboy scarves, but Daniel
>  Radcliffe has chosen to make his debut on the London stage wearing
>  nothing at all.
>
>  The 17-year-old actor, who is now a multimillionaire thanks to the
>  Harry Potter films, has been cast as the stable boy in Equus, Peter
>  Shaffer's controversial drama about a boy's erotic relationship with
>  horses.
>
>  Peter Thompson, a spokesman for the production, said that Radcliffe
>  would appear in the play, scheduled for early 2007 in a West End 
> theatre.
>
>  He will play Alan Strang, a psychologically disturbed youth who is
>  interviewed by a psychiatrist after he blinds six horses with a metal
>  spike.
>
>  The role requires the actor to simulate sexual pleasure while riding
>  naked on his horse. It is a departure for Radcliffe, whose career has
>  been dominated by his part as JK Rowling's teenage wizard. He recently
>  finished filming December Boys, in which he plays one of four orphans
>  hoping to be adopted.
>
>  Richard Griffiths, who plays Harry Potter's curmudgeonly uncle in the
>  films, is in talks to take the psychiatrist role. It would be a
>  triumphant return to the London stage for the actor, who won a Tony
>  award for his lead role in The History Boys.
>
>  Last week, the pair were filming Harry Potter and the Order of the
>  Phoenix, the fifth in the series.
>
>  Shaffer's work caused a sensation when it was first staged at the
>  National Theatre in 1973. It transferred to Broadway, where it starred
>  Anthony Hopkins, and ran for 1,200 performances, making it one of the
>  most successful plays in New York history. It was made into a
>  Hollywood film starring Richard Burton in 1977.
>
>  The playwright, whose works include Amadeus and The Royal Hunt of the
>  Sun, based the story on a real-life incident in which a boy
>  inexplicably maimed six horses.
>
>  It encompasses sexual awakening, Greek mythology and religion. The
>  psychiatrist attempts to explain the boy's actions, but must confront
>  his own demons in the process.
>
>  The play was the subject of controversy recently after John Owen, a
>  drama teacher at Ysdgol Gyfun Rhydfelen in Pontypridd, was accused of
>  sexual abuse after staging it as a school play. He committed suicide
>  the day before he was due to appear in court.
>
>  A subsequent report by the National Assembly for Wales called for a
>  ban on Equus in schools.
>
>  Radcliffe's agent did not respond to inquiries last night.


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Jul 28 11:32:45 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:32:45 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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For an actor, it's a peach of a role and can only be done for a  
certain period of your life. It's an award winning play and not put  
on often.  I hope he does well. It could really REALLY help him down  
the road.

On Jul 28, 2006, at 12:41 AM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> WOW! I'M ASTONISHED that Dan would do something like this. It does
> sound quite controversial and a bit creepy (sex on a horse, blinding
> horses with a spike?!) It certainly is a departure from his squeaky
> clean HP role, but I can't help feeling that that is swinging too far
> the other way. Sorry, I know I'm sounding puritanical...but he's still
> only 17! [Of course I had a problem with the movie 'The Squid and the
> Whale' when the younger brother, 11 or so, was masturbating in the
> school library and spreading his 'stuff' on the library books and  
> other
> kids' lockers. So I guess I'm just squeamish that way.]
> Though I must say I wouldn't mind being in the audience to see how Dan
> does with the performance...ok, not gonna go there!
> Valerie
>
> On Jul 27, 2006, at 9:40 PM, eggplant107 wrote:
>
>> From the Sunday Times
>>  =====
>>
>>  The Times July 28, 2006
>>
>>  Harry Potter ditches the glasses . . . and all his clothes
>>
>>  By Jack Malvern, Arts Reporter
>>
>>  HE found fame wearing wizards' gowns and schoolboy scarves, but  
>> Daniel
>>  Radcliffe has chosen to make his debut on the London stage wearing
>>  nothing at all.
>>
>>  The 17-year-old actor, who is now a multimillionaire thanks to the
>>  Harry Potter films, has been cast as the stable boy in Equus, Peter
>>  Shaffer's controversial drama about a boy's erotic relationship with
>>  horses.
>>
>>  Peter Thompson, a spokesman for the production, said that Radcliffe
>>  would appear in the play, scheduled for early 2007 in a West End
>> theatre.
>>
>>  He will play Alan Strang, a psychologically disturbed youth who is
>>  interviewed by a psychiatrist after he blinds six horses with a  
>> metal
>>  spike.
>>
>>  The role requires the actor to simulate sexual pleasure while riding
>>  naked on his horse. It is a departure for Radcliffe, whose career  
>> has
>>  been dominated by his part as JK Rowling's teenage wizard. He  
>> recently
>>  finished filming December Boys, in which he plays one of four  
>> orphans
>>  hoping to be adopted.
>>
>>  Richard Griffiths, who plays Harry Potter's curmudgeonly uncle in  
>> the
>>  films, is in talks to take the psychiatrist role. It would be a
>>  triumphant return to the London stage for the actor, who won a Tony
>>  award for his lead role in The History Boys.
>>
>>  Last week, the pair were filming Harry Potter and the Order of the
>>  Phoenix, the fifth in the series.
>>
>>  Shaffer's work caused a sensation when it was first staged at the
>>  National Theatre in 1973. It transferred to Broadway, where it  
>> starred
>>  Anthony Hopkins, and ran for 1,200 performances, making it one of  
>> the
>>  most successful plays in New York history. It was made into a
>>  Hollywood film starring Richard Burton in 1977.
>>
>>  The playwright, whose works include Amadeus and The Royal Hunt of  
>> the
>>  Sun, based the story on a real-life incident in which a boy
>>  inexplicably maimed six horses.
>>
>>  It encompasses sexual awakening, Greek mythology and religion. The
>>  psychiatrist attempts to explain the boy's actions, but must  
>> confront
>>  his own demons in the process.
>>
>>  The play was the subject of controversy recently after John Owen, a
>>  drama teacher at Ysdgol Gyfun Rhydfelen in Pontypridd, was  
>> accused of
>>  sexual abuse after staging it as a school play. He committed suicide
>>  the day before he was due to appear in court.
>>
>>  A subsequent report by the National Assembly for Wales called for a
>>  ban on Equus in schools.
>>
>>  Radcliffe's agent did not respond to inquiries last night.
>
>
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>
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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 28 12:42:34 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 05:42:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:                                  WOW! I'M ASTONISHED that Dan would do something like this. It does 
 sound quite controversial and a bit creepy (sex on a horse, blinding 
 horses with a spike?!) 

[wholesale pruning]

akh interjects:

I'm with Karen on this one.  It's an amazing play and delves deeply into the psyche of someone who is disturbed, yet possesses a conviction, a "rapture" if you will, that the psychiatrist envies.  

I've seen a production of the play with people I knew as the young man, the psychiatrist and the young man's female interest, and I loved it.  First of all, the "horses" are traditionally actors in suggestions of horse costumes. (Now that I think about it, I knew a few of the horses, too!)  Secondly, the "sex" is no more graphic than the scene in the diner in "When Harry Met Sally."  There is nudity, but it's brief and makes sense in the context of the play.  (That said, would I doff my clothes for a role?  Not if I value the audience's eyesight!)

Since it's a stage play on London's West End, the number of people who will see it is miniscule by movie standards.   I can fully understand a young actor seeing this as a really meaty role to stretch his emotional range.

akh, who's much more aggravated by the part of the article that says Radcliffe's continuance as Harry is "in question."  






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From paulined at optushome.com.au  Sun Jul 30 02:22:46 2006
From: paulined at optushome.com.au (Pauline)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:22:46 +1000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT Rasputin on aussie TV tonight
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For those of you in Australia, Rasputin, one of Alan Rickman's most 
acclaimed roles is on free to air late tonight.

12.40am Seven Rasputin The Late Movie
As turn of the century Russia teetered on the brink of revolution, a man 
named Rasputin became a lightening rod for the Tsar's critics.

Alan Rickman, Greta Scacchi, Ian McKellen, David Warner, John Wood
(1996) USA M V,S Drama 140 mins

>

Love Pauline


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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Jul 31 03:45:33 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:45:33 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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Though it doesn't sound like the sort of play I would go to watch, I 
have read pieces of the play before and determined it was not my cup 
of tea. However, it does sound like a role that would stretch Daniel's 
talents and actually show how great an actor he is. Plus give him the 
opportunity to break out of the Harry Potter mold. I am anxious to see 
how the reviews of this play speak of him since I don't live in 
England and therefore would not be tempted to see it myself just to 
see how Daniel performs. I am actually more interested to see him in 
December Boys, if it ever comes to Arizona. I want to see it and 
Driving Lessons to see how Daniel and Rupert are outside of Harry 
Potter.

My only concern with Daniel doing this play is will he be available to 
come back for HBP? I know it says that the OotP comes out in July so 
they wouldn't begin principal filming until after that but I thought 
they always did the preproduction stuff before the premiere of the 
previous film and Daniel was involved in some of that.

Theresa







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Jul 31 13:12:24 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:12:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter ditches the glasses  and all his clothes
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Actors often do only a certain week run on a production. I'm certain that
was a consideration timing wise. For some reason I'm thinking I saw he would
do 16 week?

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Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Harry Potter ditches the glasses and all his
clothes


> Though it doesn't sound like the sort of play I would go to watch, I
> have read pieces of the play before and determined it was not my cup
> of tea. However, it does sound like a role that would stretch Daniel's
> talents and actually show how great an actor he is. Plus give him the
> opportunity to break out of the Harry Potter mold. I am anxious to see
> how the reviews of this play speak of him since I don't live in
> England and therefore would not be tempted to see it myself just to
> see how Daniel performs. I am actually more interested to see him in
> December Boys, if it ever comes to Arizona. I want to see it and
> Driving Lessons to see how Daniel and Rupert are outside of Harry
> Potter.
>
> My only concern with Daniel doing this play is will he be available to
> come back for HBP? I know it says that the OotP comes out in July so
> they wouldn't begin principal filming until after that but I thought
> they always did the preproduction stuff before the premiere of the
> previous film and Daniel was involved in some of that.
>
> Theresa
>
>
>
>
>
>
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