From jmmears at comcast.net  Wed Mar  1 13:40:56 2006
From: jmmears at comcast.net (serenadust)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:40:56 -0000
Subject: Harris as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <dtiev8+7p1e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <du4898+qb3s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hey all - I was chatting with a co-worker while heating my lunch 
> today in our break-room. He is a fellow HP fan but only reads TLC 
and 
> doesn't participate in forums. Anyway, I mentioned that most of 
> fandom seems to prefer Harris' portrayal of DD and he said he 
prefers 
> Gambon. I told him I like both in different ways but Gambon hasn't 
> read the books. To which he said "Neither did Richard Harris." Is 
> that true? I thought he read them with his granddaughter, the one 
who 
> said she would not speak to him if he turned down the role. Does 
> anyone know if that is true? 


I very rarely post on this list anymore but I was active in 2001 
when the first film came out and have been amused at the recent 
railing against Gambon's portrayal of Dumbledore.  While it's 
obviously not required for posters to read all the past posts on a 
topic, it can be very enlightening and provide some perspective to 
those who've come to the Potter film world in recent years.

If you begin with this post:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/216 

and follow the discussion thread, you will get a good overview of 
everyone's reactions to Richard Harris' portrayal without the 
sentimental hindsight that his untimely death has inspired.

Personally, I think it's a bit naive to expect seasoned actors to 
study the books in order to play their parts in a movie.  They are 
hired to play the character as presented in the script and if there 
is any conflict between book canon and the film script, the script 
(and director's vision) gets priority.  It's nice if they care to 
read the books on their own of course, but it really shouldn't have 
much (if any) affect on their performance since the director's 
interpretation that they have to deliver.

Jo S., who's always thought that Peter O'Toole was the only actor 
who should have ever been allowed near Dumbledore ::sigh::






From gwharrison53 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  1 17:45:41 2006
From: gwharrison53 at yahoo.com (gwharrison53)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:45:41 -0000
Subject: *Radcliffe buys Black Family Tree
In-Reply-To: <dtiphh+r2a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <du4mk5+3564@eGroups.com>

HI!

WOW !    I saw the sneak pic of it and it just made me

want to see more.    I wonder if he will share ?

Gail in NE IND



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree up for charity auction 
> along with the Stoppard piece (I think I read that right). Go Dan!
>







From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar  1 17:59:47 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:59:47 -0000
Subject: Harris as Dumbledore
In-Reply-To: <du4m7q+9vv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <du4nej+aqeu@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "serenadust" <jmmears@> wrote:
> > I very rarely post on this list anymore but I was active in 2001 
> > when the first film came out and have been amused at the recent 
> > railing against Gambon's portrayal of Dumbledore.  While it's 
> > obviously not required for posters to read all the past posts on 
a 
> > topic, it can be very enlightening and provide some perspective 
to 
> > those who've come to the Potter film world in recent years.
> > 
> > If you begin with this post:
> > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/HPFGU-Movie/message/216 
> > 
> > and follow the discussion thread, you will get a good overview 
of 
> > everyone's reactions to Richard Harris' portrayal without the 
> > sentimental hindsight that his untimely death has inspired.
> > 
> > Personally, I think it's a bit naive to expect seasoned actors 
to 
> > study the books in order to play their parts in a movie.  They 
are 
> > hired to play the character as presented in the script and if 
> there 
> > is any conflict between book canon and the film script, the 
script 
> > (and director's vision) gets priority.  It's nice if they care 
to 
> > read the books on their own of course, but it really shouldn't 
> have 
> > much (if any) affect on their performance since the director's 
> > interpretation that they have to deliver.
> > 
> > Jo S., who's always thought that Peter O'Toole was the only 
actor 
> > who should have ever been allowed near Dumbledore ::sigh::
> 
> Jen D. here:
> You are reiterating a point some of us have made in various and 
> sundry ways. Gambon is the the DD that the script (and creative 
> interaction) called for. If a director needs him to understand his 
> character in such a way that reading the books is called for, then 
I 
> am sure he'd do it. If the director needs him to be a bit more 
like 
> the DD in the books, he'd of course do it. The fault is not with 
> Gambon (and indeed if there is a fault) but with the director for 
> needing an anxious, worried and unreliable DD. 
> Jen D. thinking Peter O'Toole was such a beautiful Lawerence of 
> Arabia....
> >
>








From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  2 12:01:58 2006
From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:58 -0000
Subject: I'm ready for a DVD release party!
Message-ID: <du6mrm+3pa2@eGroups.com>

  How close to the release do they usually have these?  I want to see 
how much the young cast has grown since the last movie.  I've seen 
Bonnie Wright in some recent pictures and I was amazed at how much she 
has grown!  And to be rather picky and silly, I also want to see the 
lenght of Dan's hair.  It was mighty short for the December Boys.  
I've always preferred longer hair on guys and I hope it has grown out 
some.  I admit I seem to be on the lower end of the poll as I really 
liked the longer hair in GOF, but I wouldn't mind Dan's and Ruperts 
length in COS.  I DID prefer the COS length on Rupert.  


Regina







From artsylynda at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 04:11:09 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:11:09 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] growth of the kids and hair
Message-ID: <2ed.2185e0c.31391bdd@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

How close to the release do they usually have these?  I want to see  
how much the young cast has grown since the last movie.  I've seen  
Bonnie Wright in some recent pictures and I was amazed at how much she  
has grown!  And to be rather picky and silly, I also want to see the  
lenght of Dan's hair.  It was mighty short for the December  Boys.  
I've always preferred longer hair on guys and I hope it has  grown out 
some.  I admit I seem to be on the lower end of the poll as  I really 
liked the longer hair in GOF, but I wouldn't mind Dan's and  Ruperts 
length in COS.  I DID prefer the COS length on Rupert.   


Regina



I'm with you, I'd love to see how they've grown!  I saw more recent  pics of 
Rupert (At the BAFTA awards, I think) and his hair was PoA length again  (much 
shorer than in GoF anyway)  I liked Dan's hair in PoA a lot, but it  wasn't 
really "Harry" hair so much as "stylish" hair, I think.  I like guys  with 
longer hair, but I didn't like Dan's so much in some scenes in GoF -  yet in 
others, it looked great!   Mostly when the sides were combed  back, which was RARE. 
 I liked Neville's hair longer too.  Tom  (Malfoy) looked strange with his 
hair - I think it was a wig, wasn't it?   It just didn't look natural, or like 
his hair did before when it was  bleached.  The latest pics I saw of Dan, his 
hair was a good bit longer  than in December Boys, but sinc ethey didn't start 
filming until Feb, he had  quite a while to grow it out.  I think he was wise 
to cut it for December  Boys so he looks so very different, nobody would ever 
confuse him with Harry  Potter.  Can't wait to see December Boys - that's 
supposed to come out in  Dec. 2006.  And the DVD will be here in just a few days!  
YAY!
 
Lynda


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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Fri Mar  3 16:27:46 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:27:46 -0500
Subject: I'm ready for a DVD release party!
In-Reply-To: <1141325527.3737.77542.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1141325527.3737.77542.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C80CF68A13B5D4-17E4-6D87@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com>

Regina:
I also want to see the 
length of Dan's hair.  It was mighty short for the December Boys.  
I've always preferred longer hair on guys and I hope it has grown out 
some.  I admit I seem to be on the lower end of the poll as I really 
liked the longer hair in GOF, but I wouldn't mind Dan's and Ruperts 
length in COS.  I DID prefer the COS length on Rupert.  

Jade:
You're not alone in that thinking. I too liked the longer hair in GoF. However, I can accept PoA hair only if it's messed up. Harry's hair is always messed up. I have feeling it won't be that long for OOTP but hopefully long enough to mess with.
 
Harry's To-Do List:
1. Get Up
2. Survive
3. Go Back To Bed


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar  4 18:31:16 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:31:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] growth of the kids and hair
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
<snip>And the DVD will be here in just a few days!?
>  YAY!
>

When is the US release date of GOF? Later than in Britain, right?
Valerie

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar  4 18:39:18 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 12:39:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] growth of the kids and hair
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Message-ID: <30326802-ABAE-11DA-8FCB-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

Mar. 7

On Saturday, March 4, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
> <snip>And the DVD will be here in just a few days!?
>>  YAY!
>>
>
> When is the US release date of GOF? Later than in Britain, right?
> Valerie
>
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From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  4 18:40:53 2006
From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:40:53 -0000
Subject: growth of the kids and hair
In-Reply-To: <e917c0564d98df905ae97eb77decd58b@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ducmvl+4tg2@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, artsylynda at ... wrote:
> <snip>And the DVD will be here in just a few days!?
> >  YAY!
> >
> 
> When is the US release date of GOF? Later than in Britain, right?
> Valerie
> 


  March 7.  This coming Tuesday!  

  I have not heard a word about a DVD release party.  Were the other 
DVD parties during the making of the movies? I guess we will have to 
wait for the release of OOTP pictures to see any changes in the 
young cast....

Regina






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar  4 18:59:48 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 13:59:48 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD
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References: <30326802-ABAE-11DA-8FCB-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <0d2c2ebf3d25dc4bef1d535627bf67d8@verizon.net>


On Mar 4, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Karen wrote:

> Mar. 7
>
>  On Saturday, March 4, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:
>
>  > On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:11 PM, artsylynda at aol.com wrote:
>  > <snip>And the DVD will be here in just a few days!?
>  >>? YAY!
>
WOO HOO!!! This Tuesday. I'm psyched!! I bought Pride and Prejudice 
last week when it came out! :-)
Valerie





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From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Mar  4 20:42:55 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:42:55 -0000
Subject: GOF DVD Particulars
Message-ID: <ducu4f+gbdi@eGroups.com>

Can anyone in the know tell us what the diff is between the wide-
screen dvd and the "deluxe" widescreen edition?
Jen D






From rvotaw at i-55.com  Sat Mar  4 21:58:44 2006
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:58:44 -0600
Subject: DVD release date
References: <1141497946.306.91880.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c63fd6$d162c460$ada1cdd1@Default>

> When is the US release date of GOF? Later than in Britain, right?
> Valerie

I was under the impression that this time the DVD comes out in the US first.
Usually it's the same day.  March 7th in the US, but it's listed as March
20th in the UK.  IF that's the case wouldn't a DVD release party be more
likely to coordinate with the UK release?

Richelle




From siskiou at vcem.com  Sat Mar  4 22:25:59 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:25:59 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD release date
In-Reply-To: <002a01c63fd6$d162c460$ada1cdd1@Default>
References: <1141497946.306.91880.m16@yahoogroups.com>
 <002a01c63fd6$d162c460$ada1cdd1@Default>
Message-ID: <149477234.20060304142559@vcem.com>



Hi,

Saturday, March 4, 2006, 1:58:44 PM, rvotaw at i-55.com wrote:

>  IF that's the case wouldn't a DVD release party be more
> likely to coordinate with the UK release?

I thought there was not going to be a release party this
time, because filming for the next movie is in progress, and
they already have to take time out for Dan and Emma to do school
exams, while continuing to pay them during that time.

I'm not sure where I read it (maybe here?), and if it was
just speculation.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  4 23:34:54 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 18:34:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GOF DVD Particulars
In-Reply-To: <ducu4f+gbdi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060304233454.34927.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


--- susanbones2003 <rkdas at charter.net> wrote:

> Can anyone in the know tell us what the diff is
> between the wide-
> screen dvd and the "deluxe" widescreen edition?
> Jen D
> 

Not sure what's on the widescreen edition, but the
deluxed edition includes the following:

Deleted scenes - about 10 minute long
Interviews with the cast - about 30 minutes, but only
with Dan, Emma and Rupert
Preparing for the Yule Ball - iirc, about 5-10 minutes
Reflections on the 4th film - again, not long, but
talks to more cast members

Note that the only adult cast member who appears in
any of these is Robbie Coltrane.

I have not yet explored the following features:
Triward Tournament: Dragon Area
Triward Tournament: Lake
Triward Tournament: Maze

If your computer has a DVD-ROM drive, which mine does
not, you can also access an EA game demo and a
Hogwarts timeline

Sheryll

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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Mar  5 01:41:25 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 01:41:25 -0000
Subject: GOF DVD Particulars
In-Reply-To: <20060304233454.34927.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dudfk5+8s6q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- susanbones2003 <rkdas at ...> wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone in the know tell us what the diff is
> > between the wide-
> > screen dvd and the "deluxe" widescreen edition?
> > Jen D
> > 
> 
> Not sure what's on the widescreen edition, but the
> deluxed edition includes the following:
> 
> Deleted scenes - about 10 minute long
> Interviews with the cast - about 30 minutes, but only
> with Dan, Emma and Rupert
> Preparing for the Yule Ball - iirc, about 5-10 minutes
> Reflections on the 4th film - again, not long, but
> talks to more cast members
> 
> Note that the only adult cast member who appears in
> any of these is Robbie Coltrane.
> 
> I have not yet explored the following features:
> Triward Tournament: Dragon Area
> Triward Tournament: Lake
> Triward Tournament: Maze
> 
> If your computer has a DVD-ROM drive, which mine does
> not, you can also access an EA game demo and a
> Hogwarts timeline
> 
> Sheryll

Thanks Sheryll,
But tell me, how do you have it now? Are you in Britain and it came 
out already?
Jen D.







From s_ings at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 01:50:05 2006
From: s_ings at yahoo.com (Sheryll Townsend)
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:50:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GOF DVD Particulars
In-Reply-To: <dudfk5+8s6q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060305015005.82001.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> 
> Thanks Sheryll,
> But tell me, how do you have it now? Are you in
> Britain and it came 
> out already?
> Jen D.
> 

I'm in Canada. I doesn't come out here until Tuesday,
same as the US, but I work at a video store and we get
things a week ahead so we can preview them. :)

Sheryll

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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Mar  5 03:03:14 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 03:03:14 -0000
Subject: GOF DVD Particulars
In-Reply-To: <20060305015005.82001.qmail@web36111.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dudkdi+9dvc@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Sheryll Townsend <s_ings at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > 
> > Thanks Sheryll,
> > But tell me, how do you have it now? Are you in
> > Britain and it came 
> > out already?
> > Jen D.
> > 
> 
> I'm in Canada. I doesn't come out here until Tuesday,
> same as the US, but I work at a video store and we get
> things a week ahead so we can preview them. :)
> 
> Sheryll

Hi again Sheryll,
That's cool about getting stuff in early. I need a video store job, 
maybe! Could you look at a regular widescreen next time you are at 
work and maybe compare them? It seems the dvd-cd games might be the 
only extra. I find blurbs on line but they don't delineate 
differences. We used to have a great guy on this website who'd do 
all the evaluating and share with us. I will miss that great service 
he performed for us. But I don't want to invest in the "deluxe" if 
the only extra are games, not being a really gamey person...That 
didn't come out right. Oh well.
Jen D. 






From kechelsen at aol.com  Sun Mar  5 14:04:24 2006
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:04:24 -0000
Subject: London Walks -- A Harry Potter Walk
Message-ID: <duer58+6a66@eGroups.com>

I've long been a fan of the London Walks -- an inexpensive and 
interesting way to see the London sights.  I try to do at least one 
each time I visit London.

Recently I was looking at their website, www.walks.com, to see what 
they might have new upcoming in their summer schedule (which starts in 
March).  They have several new walks in the works, including a Harry 
Potter Walk.  For more information, go to the website, and look 
under "Latest News" for the Summer 2006 programme -- update (2 March).  
Click on that, and it will give you a popup screen.  Scroll down until 
you get to "Sunday" and the description will be there.

If you're planning to visit London, I can't recommend this company 
highly enough.  The tours are informative, interesting, and funny.  I 
have seen places with them that I might not have seen otherwise.  

 






From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 14:07:15 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:07:15 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] London Walks -- A Harry Potter Walk
References: <duer58+6a66@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008801c6405e$1bef2a00$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

THANK YOU!!! I'll be in London this summer and was looking for interesting things to do!

Cheers,
Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kathye_c 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:04 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] London Walks -- A Harry Potter Walk


  I've long been a fan of the London Walks -- an inexpensive and 
  interesting way to see the London sights.  I try to do at least one 
  each time I visit London.

  Recently I was looking at their website, www.walks.com, to see what 
  they might have new upcoming in their summer schedule (which starts in 
  March).  They have several new walks in the works, including a Harry 
  Potter Walk.  For more information, go to the website, and look 
  under "Latest News" for the Summer 2006 programme -- update (2 March).  
  Click on that, and it will give you a popup screen.  Scroll down until 
  you get to "Sunday" and the description will be there.

  If you're planning to visit London, I can't recommend this company 
  highly enough.  The tours are informative, interesting, and funny.  I 
  have seen places with them that I might not have seen otherwise.  







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From kechelsen at aol.com  Sun Mar  5 15:41:03 2006
From: kechelsen at aol.com (kathye_c)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:41:03 -0000
Subject: London Walks -- A Harry Potter Walk
In-Reply-To: <008801c6405e$1bef2a00$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>
Message-ID: <duf0qf+5ufs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Chandler" 
<gardengirlgarden at ...> wrote:
>
> THANK YOU!!! I'll be in London this summer and was looking for 
interesting things to do!
> 
> Cheers,
> Michelle
> Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator

You're welcome :)  They have a really great selection of tours to 
choose from, as you will see, if you haven't looked at the site yet.  
One of their most popular tours is the Jack the Ripper tour, which 
takes you through the East End and stops at some of the sites where the 
murders took place.  That tour gets a bit gruesome when describing some 
of the murders, but otherwise it's a good one.  It generally ends at 
the Ten Bells pub, where one of the Ripper's victims had her last drink 
before she was murdered.







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 21:51:26 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 21:51:26 -0000
Subject: Radcliffe buys Black Family Tree
In-Reply-To: <dtiphh+r2a8@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dufmgu+88r1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> Dan Radcliffe purchased the Black Family Tree up for charity auction 
> along with the Stoppard piece (I think I read that right). Go Dan!
>

bboyminn:

Probably seems a bit stupid, but I wonder what the TAX implications
are to Dan buying that? He paid something like ?30,000 for it, which I
think is about US$52,000, and represent nearly half of all the money
that was raised.

Leaky Cauldron article -
http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/index.php?articleID=8391

BBC Article-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4739474.stm

"The star bought a short Stoppard play entitled Murder for ?3,700
(US$6500) and a humorous piece on writing by Banks for ?980 (US$1700)."

Lest you think this was a wild spending sprey by a impetuous teen.
Daniel wasn't actually at the auction. His mother was there and did
the bidding for him. 

- - Quote from BBC Article - - 
Radcliffe's mother Marcia Gresham bid on his behalf at the central
London auction.

She said: "This should put paid to anyone who says that Daniel doesn't
like reading.

"Daniel hasn't stopped since he read the first Harry Potter book and
he loves Iain Banks and Tom Stoppard." 

- - End Quote - -

So, back to the tax implications, I wonder if these count as
charitible donations which are usually 'tax deductable'. Sadly, when I
was young and foolish, I thought 'tax deductable' meant you could take
it off your taxes, now that I am old and wise, I realize you take it
off your income. Since Dan's income is about US$10,000,000 I'm not
sure whether $50,000 one way or the other would matter. 

I also wonder how Dan's money is held. If it is in a Trust, then
perhaps, he doesn't pay taxes until he takes the money out, or comes
of the age when he gets control of the Trust Fund. I also wonder when
the Trust come due; when Dan is 18 or perhaps when he is 21. Or
perhaps it is a staged Trust, so at various stages he gets access to
more and more of the money until he finally has it all? 

I do remember reading that 'Dan Radcliffe' is now a corporation, and
all his new earnings are funneled into that corporation. I have to
wonder what the advantages are to that?

I also wonder if the objects he purchased represents a substantial
investment. That is, is there a great and/or reasonable likelihood
that these object will appreciate in value substantial, or is it more
of a personal collector's item? 

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Mar  5 22:05:44 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:05:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Radcliffe buys Black Family Tree
In-Reply-To: <dufmgu+88r1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <3146EBFE-AC94-11DA-94BD-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Sunday, March 5, 2006, at 03:51 PM, Steve wrote:
> I also wonder if the objects he purchased represents a substantial
> investment. That is, is there a great and/or reasonable likelihood
> that these object will appreciate in value substantial, or is it more
> of a personal collector's item?
>


kchuplis:
Personal collector's item would be my guess. It's just not the kind of 
thing that #1 is going to make a dent in his taxes and #2 or investment 
folder. I can't imagine even a rabid fan paying more than that.  Means 
he likes his role, that is for sure. I keep wondering about him Mum's 
comment. Have people said he doesn't like to read or something? not 
that I see how this stymies that. And people say whatever they want 
anyway.





From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 23:55:12 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:55:12 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Radcliffe buys Black Family Tree
References: <dufmgu+88r1@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <01d101c640b0$3e8da5d0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

A bit OT - but is his mother any relation to the Greshams who were related to C. S. Lewis?

Michelle, pondering
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve 


  - - Quote from BBC Article - - 
  Radcliffe's mother Marcia Gresham bid on his behalf at the central
  London auction.

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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Mon Mar  6 20:29:11 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:29:11 -0500
Subject: Seeking lowest price on GOF Deluxe DVDs?
Message-ID: <1a2738400603061229q6058d8e3h5e9ffc37fa5c7fc8@mail.gmail.com>

The lowest I'm getting is 17.96 at Overstock.com, includes stacking
10% and free shipping codes 73622 and 85704.

Anything lower?  Again, these are the 'deluxe' DVDs... whatever that
means. {g}  The grey trim versus reddish for regular WS DVD.

Dina



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar  7 20:14:41 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:14:41 -0600
Subject: Deleted scenes
Message-ID: <002d01c64223$c47bbcd0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Picked up my copy and watched the deleted scenes at lunch. No great shakes
and mostly glad they are not in the movie.....except..... for the Snape
scene. Instead of blowing up rose bushes (an image I dearly love) they have
him bursting open carriages while arguing with the Bulgarian. Oh my. Much
too bad they didn't keep that in. Great scene.





From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 20:10:28 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:10:28 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] London walks - a Harry Potter walk
Message-ID: <301.380a2.313f42b4@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/5/2006 12:28:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


Recently I was looking at their website, www.walks.com, to see what  
they might have new upcoming in their summer schedule (which starts in  
March).  They have several new walks in the works, including a Harry  
Potter Walk.  For more information, go to the website, and look  
under "Latest News" for the Summer 2006 programme -- update (2  March).  
Click on that, and it will give you a popup screen.   Scroll down until 
you get to "Sunday" and the description will be  there.

If you're planning to visit London, I can't recommend this  company 
highly enough.  The tours are informative, interesting, and  funny.  I 
have seen places with them that I might not have seen  otherwise.  




We're going to England in May!  Thanks so much, I've already  forwarded this 
to my hubby!
 

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics (both of  which are complete online now) here:  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/





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From artsylynda at aol.com  Tue Mar  7 20:20:34 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:20:34 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF DVD comments
Message-ID: <e8.262f6708.313f4512@aol.com>

 
Spoiler
 
space
 
for
 
those
 
who
 
care. . .
 
Okay, I've watched all the extras (except the game ones) from the  DVDs and 
they're GREAT!  MUCH more behind the scenes stuff, unscripted,  casual, 
kids-being-kids stuff!  I loved it!  At one point, Dan gets  right into the 
documentary camera (to the point where he's out of focus) and  says, "Yes, we're once 
more standing around being bored in the Great Hall" (or  something like that).  
Robert Pattinson is particularly charming in his  bits (the "Meet the 
Champions section) and at one point races down a hall and  JUMPS on "Viktor" being 
very silly!  (Good thing Stan's as big as he  is!).  
 
The deleted scenes -- so many things make more sense now!!!   When Harry 
returned after the ball was over and looked so pensive, I wanted to  know what he 
was thinking about, what he'd seen that made him look that way  (just before 
Hermione told both boys to go to bed - such a good scene!).   NOW I KNOW!  
YES!!!  There were several cut scenes that would have  made the film make more 
sense - I wish they'd left them in.  *I* would have  sat through them!!
 
There's one clip I've seen online that I haven't found on the DVD  yet except 
as a background image behind a title.  If someone finds out  where that clip 
is from, I'd love to know.  It's a behind the scenes of the  Portkey scene, 
and the part I love is where they're hauling Dan back up on the  wires and he's 
sideways, facing the camera, with this absolutely delightful grin  on his face 
- it makes me laugh every time I see it, just that expression (and  while 
being hauled up into the air sideways, LOL!)
 
The scenes showing the kids learning to dance are a riot - they're  just 
being kids the whole time and it's such fun!  
 
They show the whole song the band performs at the ball - and I  noticed that 
Flitwick introduced them as "the band that needs no introduction"  and "the 
Weird Sisters" was not mentioned at all!  I guess that was WB's  way of getting 
out of that problem with the Canadian folk group "the Wyrd  Sisters" who sued 
them over copyright infringement or some such nonsense.  
 
I LOVED the underwater stuff - wish there was more of it!  And  all the 
commentary they got from the director, Dan, the stunt teams - and we get  to see a 
glimpse of Dan's stunt double, who Dan's taller than  now.
 
Overall, this is BY FAR the best HP DVD "extras" disk and I haven't  watched 
all of it yet!  But I wish there was MORE on it!!!!  Great  stuff!  
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics (and both  are complete now) here:  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/




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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar  7 21:00:38 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 21:00:38 -0000
Subject: GoF DVD comments
In-Reply-To: <e8.262f6708.313f4512@aol.com>
Message-ID: <duks9m+r46a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
>  
> Spoiler
>  
> space
>  
> for
>  
> those
>  
> who
>  
> care. . .
>  
> >  
> The scenes showing the kids learning to dance are a riot - they're  
just 
> being kids the whole time and it's such fun!  
>  

I particularly liked where Maggie Smith was trying to get Ruppert to 
MOVE his leg. "Here! This one!" Very charming. Can't wait to watch 
the rest. 







From goosefeather at 3web.net  Tue Mar  7 22:58:04 2006
From: goosefeather at 3web.net (GooseFeather)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:58:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GoF DVD comments
References: <duks9m+r46a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c6423a$98aba540$689cc5d1@themarlins>

Which edition do you have guys ?  Do you know the difference between the 
regular widescreen and fullscreen editions and the Deluxe Two Disk Edition ?

Thanks !
GooseFeather 




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar  7 23:33:54 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:33:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GoF DVD comments
In-Reply-To: <003d01c6423a$98aba540$689cc5d1@themarlins>
Message-ID: <D7694763-AE32-11DA-9B0B-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

I got the 2 disc deluxe version. I believe it has the interviews and 
specials on the effects etc.

On Tuesday, March 7, 2006, at 04:58 PM, GooseFeather wrote:

> Which edition do you have guys ?  Do you know the difference between 
> the
> regular widescreen and fullscreen editions and the Deluxe Two Disk 
> Edition ?
>
> Thanks !
> GooseFeather
>
>
>
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 07:18:16 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:18:16 -0000
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
Message-ID: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>

I just bought the latest Harry Potter (GoF) DVD - Wide Screen, and was
especially looking forward to the 'EXTRAS', but there weren't any!!!

I bought the Two DVD set, one was the movie and the other was the
SceneIt DVD game and a short HBO 'The Making of Harry Potter', but no
Extras and no Deleted Scenes that I can find anywhere.

So, did I get cheated, are these extra features hidden somewhere?

I bought the DVD at WalMart.

On the main movie screen, there are three menu options 
-Play Movie
-View specific Scenes
-Select Language

On the extra Scene it DVD, there are only two choices 
-SceneIt
-HBO - Making of Harry Potter

So...? What's up with that?

Steve/bboyminn







From siskiou at vcem.com  Wed Mar  8 07:22:31 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:22:31 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <272795756.20060307232231@vcem.com>



Hi,

Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 11:18:16 PM, bboyminn at yahoo.com wrote:

> I bought the Two DVD set, one was the movie and the other was the
> SceneIt DVD game and a short HBO 'The Making of Harry Potter', but no
> Extras and no Deleted Scenes that I can find anywhere.

I've read about this on other forums.

Apparently there is the 2 disk version that you ended up
with (with the SceneIt game) and another 2 disk version that
has the extras.

Is your's called the "Deluxe Version"?


-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From goosefeather at 3web.net  Wed Mar  8 13:11:49 2006
From: goosefeather at 3web.net (GooseFeather)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:11:49 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c642b1$dd9a9d60$1b9cc5d1@themarlins>

> I bought the DVD at WalMart.

I did some research on the net yesterday, really wanted to buy the right one 
and sent my hubby to Wal-Mart where they didn't have the Deluxe Edition.  If 
I understood correctly, that's the one you want (the one we all want ;-)
Found it at Future Shop (Canada) where they have all the different editions, 
even a special Future Shop edition (don't know what that one is about) but 
also found it at Amazon, if you want to compare the covers.
Anyway, there is a good price difference between the regular and deluxe 
edition so that may help you understand which one you've got (if you can't 
find the word Deluxe on your cover) ;-)

Cheers !




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar  8 14:17:28 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:17:28 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c642bb$07f1ea10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

That's wild. I wonder if they made a different version for walmart? Mine is
called the 2 Disc widescreen deluxe version. Got it at Target. It appears to
be just like this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-images/B000E6EK3S/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0/104-1819541-7824750?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=dvd&index=0#gallery


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:18 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras


> I just bought the latest Harry Potter (GoF) DVD - Wide Screen, and was
> especially looking forward to the 'EXTRAS', but there weren't any!!!
>
> I bought the Two DVD set, one was the movie and the other was the
> SceneIt DVD game and a short HBO 'The Making of Harry Potter', but no
> Extras and no Deleted Scenes that I can find anywhere.
>
> So, did I get cheated, are these extra features hidden somewhere?
>
> I bought the DVD at WalMart.
>
> On the main movie screen, there are three menu options
> -Play Movie
> -View specific Scenes
> -Select Language
>
> On the extra Scene it DVD, there are only two choices
> -SceneIt
> -HBO - Making of Harry Potter
>
> So...? What's up with that?
>
> Steve/bboyminn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 15:14:30 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:14:30 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <000601c642bb$07f1ea10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
	 <000601c642bb$07f1ea10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <1a2738400603080714ob94d0dav4e908b7e23f2063f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/06, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
> That's wild. I wonder if they made a different version for walmart? Mine is
> called the 2 Disc widescreen deluxe version. Got it at Target. It appears to
> be just like this:

Yeah, I thought the regular WS only had one disk.  It's possible Steve
ended up with a 'store specialty' disk set?  Seems the major complaint
about this disk set is the price hike to get the extras and the
confusion over those wanting the version with the extras.  Then there
are complaints about the extras only coming with the WS version and
not FS.  Overall, it's a pain in the butt.

I wasn't in any rush to get my DVD set and opted for Overstock.com,
which the cover looks like the Deluxe and they listed it as 'Deluxe'. 
I won't get it for awhile, but hopefully, it is the 'Deluxe'. {g}  At
17.96 (via coupon codes), including shipping, that was the lowest I
could find at the time.  If I bought locally, I'd need to add on 7%
sales tax to the DVD cost.

Dina



From bigredpanda at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  8 15:20:53 2006
From: bigredpanda at yahoo.com (bigredpanda)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:20:53 -0000
Subject: GOF DVD
Message-ID: <dumsol+hi5k@eGroups.com>

>From what my research turned up, the Deluxe edition is the only one 
that contains the extra scenes. Made me rather angry that when most 
movie companies release the extras with the movie as a normal 
practice, WB is sticking it to us again by making us pay extra if we 
want the extras.

Wal-Mart does NOT have the Deluxe edition. If you buy their 2-disc 
set (packaged as two boxes together) the second disc only contains 
the HBO making the movie special, and the rest is just previews from 
the Scene-It game. The movie alone at Wal-Mart is around $15 while 
the 2-disc with the Scene-It preview is around $20.

Target has the Deluxe edition (packasged as a thicker single box 
with a cool holographic cover) but doesn't have the Wal-Mart 2-disc 
set. The Deluxe edition at Target is around $23.

So, thanks WB for a nice set of extras, but WHY must you make us pay 
extra for them?!

Diane in Nebraska






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar  8 15:30:37 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:30:37 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com> <000601c642bb$07f1ea10$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <1a2738400603080714ob94d0dav4e908b7e23f2063f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008701c642c5$40376300$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at gmail.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras


> On 3/8/06, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
> > That's wild. I wonder if they made a different version for walmart? Mine
is
> > called the 2 Disc widescreen deluxe version. Got it at Target. It
appears to
> > be just like this:
>
> Yeah, I thought the regular WS only had one disk.  It's possible Steve
> ended up with a 'store specialty' disk set?  Seems the major complaint
> about this disk set is the price hike to get the extras and the
> confusion over those wanting the version with the extras.  Then there
> are complaints about the extras only coming with the WS version and
> not FS.  Overall, it's a pain in the butt.
>
> I wasn't in any rush to get my DVD set and opted for Overstock.com,
> which the cover looks like the Deluxe and they listed it as 'Deluxe'.
> I won't get it for awhile, but hopefully, it is the 'Deluxe'. {g}  At
> 17.96 (via coupon codes), including shipping, that was the lowest I
> could find at the time.  If I bought locally, I'd need to add on 7%
> sales tax to the DVD cost.
>
> Dina
>

kchuplis:
THe funny thing is, I first went to the Hollywood video where I normally
rent and all they had were the one disc sets. Wierd. THey didn't know why
the Deluxe ones weren't ordered. So I went across the street to Blockbuster.
Same story. Only the regular ones for 22 bucks. So, I went to Target, got
the deluxe two disc version for the same amount they are selling the one
disc ones at the video stores...22$. Now, why on earth the VIDEO stores
didn't have this version is beyond me, but I got a better deal at Target
anyway. I didn't think that was an unreasonable price, but I'm used to the
extended versions of LOTR with WETA collectable and have shelled out mega
bucks for Star Trek dvds. So, I guess it's all relative price wise.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar  8 15:36:30 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:36:30 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GOF DVD
References: <dumsol+hi5k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <008e01c642c6$129c7880$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

> Diane in Nebraska

>
> So, thanks WB for a nice set of extras, but WHY must you make us pay
> extra for them?!
>

kchuplis:
Heh. Believe me, the king of charging extra is Paramount. You wouldn't
believe what they charge for Star Trek DVDs. I'm just thankful that there
are *decent* extras this time out. The interviews are very nice, the task
documentaries are interesting (dang, that underwater stuff was hard work).
I'm just glad it's finally out. I watch my DVDs enough to make them worth
the price.





From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Wed Mar  8 15:50:59 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:50:59 -0000
Subject: Thoughts about the DVD extras... beware! spoilers ahoy!
Message-ID: <dumuh3+d05d@eGroups.com>

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I purchased the 2 disk edition of the DVD yesterday, and watched the 
2nd disk with my daughter and my hubby last night. I wanted to share 
some thoughts, and see what others thought about the extras included 
on this one:

deleted scenes: aside from the 'Doing the Hippogryph', I once again 
fail to understand why these tiny little sequences were cut from the 
movie. They're all so short, yet rather important (well, except the 
ones with the Durmstrang boy asking the Hogwarts girl to the ball 
and the one with Harry and Cho on the stairs... those are just plain 
fun to watch... especially the looks on Harry and Ron's faces! 
LOL!). I also wish that they'd just incorporate them in the movie 
part of the DVD, so that we could really enjoy them all in context.  

I loved all the other features, except maybe the cast interview with 
the trio. This was not due to the trio actually, but rather to the 
shear dullness of the guy interviewing them (IMO, of course). I 
found him totally bland... like plain oatmeal or day old bread 
without butter. Also, the fan questions part of it... I don't know, 
but no one seemed to be having fun with that. However, I loved how 
relaxed Rupert was throughout this feature (I found that Emma seemed 
a bit tense, and Dan seemed very tense for some odd reason. All in 
the body language, of course).   

The 'making of the Yule Ball', the 'meeting the champions' and 
the 'recollections' features I found absolutely wonderful... so much 
fun to watch.

Last thing I wanted to mention, following a few previous posts on 
the subject, is that it is indeed confusing for the consumer to know 
what to buy. We've been used to 2 edition DVDs of the HP movies, and 
this time around we have to pay a whole lot more for a 2 disk set 
with special features. Here, in Canada, the 2 disk edition was 
retailing between $28.00 and $30.00, while the 1 disk (which I'm 
sure a lot of people were buying without realizing that it was only 
the movie with no extras) was being promoted at $19.00 for 1 day 
only (which is what we used to pay for the 2 disk set of the earlier 
Potter movies on the 1rst day of sale). I think a lot of fans had 
some nasty surprises yesterday... and, of course, nothing can be 
done about it once the DVD has been opened!

Nicole     






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar  8 16:20:32 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:20:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thoughts about the DVD extras... beware! spoilers ahoy!
References: <dumuh3+d05d@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <00ae01c642cc$3958f290$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeanico2000" <jheiler at sympatico.ca>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Thoughts about the DVD extras... beware! spoilers
ahoy!


> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>

> deleted scenes: aside from the 'Doing the Hippogryph', I once again
> fail to understand why these tiny little sequences were cut from the
> movie.

I definitely don't quite get why the Karkaroff/Snape scene during the ball
was cut out. Really a shame.


> and the one with Harry and Cho on the stairs...

Gosh that was funny. Dan's reaction was SOOO good. It is a little sad it
didn't make it in just because of that, but I also just thought that would
have filled out that story line a bit better.

 Also, the fan questions part of it... I don't know,
> but no one seemed to be having fun with that. However, I loved how
> relaxed Rupert was throughout this feature (I found that Emma seemed
> a bit tense, and Dan seemed very tense for some odd reason. All in
> the body language, of course).

To be honest, I've never seen Dan or Emma interview where they weren't a bit
high strung. I'm not sure Dan knows the meaning of the word "relax" (yet
another difference between Dan and Harry. In fact, once again it struck me
how well Dan plays Harry and I think any disparagement on his acting is
unwarranted. He is really so completely different.) and Emma is still just a
tad self concious. Maybe it was the braces (which really don't make a dent
in her beauty, but I bet they seem like a huge thing to her.)

>
> The 'making of the Yule Ball', the 'meeting the champions' and
> the 'recollections' features I found absolutely wonderful... so much
> fun to watch.

Yeah, definitely enjoyable. Stan is just adorable. Robert Patterson seems a
real ladies man, doesn't he? Definitely not as "clean cut" as Cedric. Very
fun.





From bunniqula at gmail.com  Wed Mar  8 17:16:52 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:16:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <008701c642c5$40376300$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
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On 3/8/06, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:

> Same story. Only the regular ones for 22 bucks. So, I went to Target, got
> the deluxe two disc version for the same amount they are selling the one
> disc ones at the video stores...22$. Now, why on earth the VIDEO stores
> didn't have this version is beyond me, but I got a better deal at Target
> anyway. I didn't think that was an unreasonable price, but I'm used to the
> extended versions of LOTR with WETA collectable and have shelled out mega
> bucks for Star Trek dvds. So, I guess it's all relative price wise.

Now, the LOTR extended/platinum/gift/whatever boxes are worth the
money!  I only have the Fellowship 'gift box' but I've been eyeing the
last two and Amazon.com periodically has sales where they drop to less
than $22 to get all the 'goodies'... Just that I don't have good
timing and spend my extra money on other gadgets before I notice these
sales. {g}

Anyway, $22 for just the single disk?  Wow, using the same Overstock
coupon codes I posted here, it was possible to get the price down to
$14.21, including shipping and no tax, for the one disk, but the thing
that gets me is how the one DVD is about the same price as the POA DVD
set with *two* disks.

And uh, I'll eventually stop typing dis*k* and use the correct
version, dis*c*, someday. ;-)  Y'all should see my series DVD copies
have 'disk' written on them, and once I realized what I was doing, I
just kept spelling it that way for consistency.  Heck, I'm the only
one who sees the DVDs. {g}

Dina



From momy424 at aol.com  Wed Mar  8 19:02:54 2006
From: momy424 at aol.com (momy424 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:02:54 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1428
Message-ID: <141.57ae0eb1.3140845e@aol.com>

In my state (NJ) the Pathmark is offering the movie for $14.95 with a club  
card which can be signed up for that day.  This offer is probably only good  
til Thursday since that's when their sales change so if you can get to one or  
have someone that can you can save a few bucks.
 
Momy424


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From rvotaw at i-55.com  Wed Mar  8 23:49:36 2006
From: rvotaw at i-55.com (Richelle Votaw)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:49:36 -0600
Subject: GOF DVD Deluxe edition
References: <1141859165.867.18738.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c6430a$f6051520$56a0cdd1@Default>

> Wal-Mart does NOT have the Deluxe edition. If you buy their 2-disc
> set (packaged as two boxes together) the second disc only contains
> the HBO making the movie special, and the rest is just previews from

At least some Wal-Marts do have the Deluxe edition, that's where I got mine.
I had to dig around a little, they were nearly out of those, I found one in
the back at the bottom of the display.  The Deluxe edition has a slip case
over the hard case, but only one case.  The one with the Scene-It DVD
preview is just the regular one disc version with a "extra" disc promoting
the HP Scene-It game.  The two cases make it confusing, especially since
they also have the movie alone withou the extra.  Which isn't the Deluxe
edition either.  The ones in the slip case with silver trim are the Deluxe
edition, and labeled as such.

Richelle




From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Wed Mar  8 23:57:25 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:57:25 -0500
Subject: Deleted scenes
In-Reply-To: <1141859165.867.18738.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1141859165.867.18738.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C811232F093CCB-134C-17FD@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com>

*SPOILERS*
 
Karen:
Picked up my copy and watched the deleted scenes at lunch. No great shakes
and mostly glad they are not in the movie.....except..... for the Snape
scene. Instead of blowing up rose bushes (an image I dearly love) they have
him bursting open carriages while arguing with the Bulgarian. Oh my. Much
too bad they didn't keep that in. Great scene.

Jade:
 
Yeah it wouldn't have been so bad to leave in there, however, my mother and aunt pointed out that they thought the carriage rocking back and forth was a bit too risque for some kids to be watching. I kind of agree. I had to skip that part for my 10 and 11 year old cousins before they started asking questions (or to my aunt's horror, started giggling).


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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Thu Mar  9 00:05:46 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:05:46 -0500
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <1141859165.867.18738.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1141859165.867.18738.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C8112459961A63-128C-18@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com>

I got my Deluxe set at Best Buy. Didn't bother messing with anywhere else. Got a great deal for it too. $20.99.
 
Jade


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 00:54:26 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:54:26 -0000
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras - Silver Special Edition
In-Reply-To: <dum0fo+ckeh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dunuc2+103hv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> I just bought the latest Harry Potter (GoF) DVD - Wide Screen,
> and was especially looking forward to the 'EXTRAS', but there 
> weren't any!!!
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> So...? What's up with that?
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>

bboyminn:

Indeed I've sorted it out now. I just went to a nearby town and bought
the Silver Colored "Two Disc Special Edition". 

I wonder what WB's marketing strategy was here. I see three versions
available; Movie only ($16), Movie + SceneIt ($20 generally worthless
though) and the Special Edition ($22). 

I guess if you are a movie rental company, the cheap movie-only
version might work OK. But for any general consumer, why would you
want anything but the Special Edition? 

Let this be a warning to everyone. If you want the "Extras" make sure
you get the right version.

STeve/bboyminn






From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar  9 01:10:11 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:10:11 -0000
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras - Silver Special Edition
In-Reply-To: <dunuc2+103hv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dunv9j+vn7o@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>SNIPPED

> Let this be a warning to everyone. If you want the "Extras" make sure
> you get the right version.
> 
> STeve/bboyminn

Hiya Steve,
Your sad experience caused me to question 3 separate clerks in the 
Borders where I bought my HP-GOF deluxe edition. Can you take the 
rotten "scene-it" dvd back to Stuff-mart?
Jen D.
>







From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar  9 01:11:34 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:11:34 -0000
Subject: GOF DVD
In-Reply-To: <008e01c642c6$129c7880$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dunvc6+492k@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> > Diane in Nebraska
> 
> >
> > So, thanks WB for a nice set of extras, but WHY must you make us 
pay
> > extra for them?!
> >
> 
> kchuplis:
> Heh. Believe me, the king of charging extra is Paramount. You 
wouldn't
> believe what they charge for Star Trek DVDs. I'm just thankful 
that there
> are *decent* extras this time out. The interviews are very nice, 
the task
> documentaries are interesting (dang, that underwater stuff was 
hard work).
> I'm just glad it's finally out. I watch my DVDs enough to make 
them worth
> the price.

Jen D. here:
And now, Karen, you will make good on your promise to talk about GOF 
non-stop on this list to make up for your long silence!
Jen D.
>







From artsylynda at aol.com  Thu Mar  9 01:49:37 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:49:37 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get cheated?  DVD extras
Message-ID: <22c.7b32d6d.3140e3b1@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2006 6:07:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I just  bought the latest Harry Potter (GoF) DVD - Wide Screen, and was
especially  looking forward to the 'EXTRAS', but there weren't any!!!

I bought the  Two DVD set, one was the movie and the other was the
SceneIt DVD game and a  short HBO 'The Making of Harry Potter', but no
Extras and no Deleted Scenes  that I can find anywhere.

So, did I get cheated, are these extra  features hidden somewhere?

I bought the DVD at  WalMart.



That's just weird!  I have the "two disc deluxe edition"  and have all the 
extras.  Maybe it's the "deluxe" bit that ensures your  having all the other 
goodies??  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/




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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Thu Mar  9 02:00:25 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 02:00:25 -0000
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras - Silver Special Edition
In-Reply-To: <dunuc2+103hv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <duo27p+s9n3@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > I just bought the latest Harry Potter (GoF) DVD - Wide Screen,
> > and was especially looking forward to the 'EXTRAS', but there 
> > weren't any!!!
> > 
> > ...edited...
> > 
> > So...? What's up with that?
> > 
> > Steve/bboyminn
> >
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> Indeed I've sorted it out now. I just went to a nearby town and 
bought
> the Silver Colored "Two Disc Special Edition". 
> 
> I wonder what WB's marketing strategy was here. I see three 
versions
> available; Movie only ($16), Movie + SceneIt ($20 generally 
worthless
> though) and the Special Edition ($22). 
> 
> I guess if you are a movie rental company, the cheap movie-only
> version might work OK. But for any general consumer, why would you
> want anything but the Special Edition? 
> 
> Let this be a warning to everyone. If you want the "Extras" make 
sure
> you get the right version.
> 
> STeve/bboyminn
>
I would have piped in sooner but work has been a bear the last week 
and this is my first time being able to hop on here and comment. I 
actually took a few minutes yesterday at work and ran over to the 
Costco about 1/4 mile away. I had already peeked online this past 
weekend on walmart.com, costco.com, bestbuy.com etc. I saw only a 
widescreen, a full screen and the special edition. Believe it or not 
Costco had the least expensive for the special edition in my area. 
When I went to Costco - they had just opened for general members and 
there were like 50 people in the entire store and no one was in the 
movie area. I greedily searched for the box in the best condition 
(why, I have no idea as it is the outside box for the store and the 
actual DVD case is inside but silly me). When I picked it up I read 
the back noted it was the 2 disc special edition for $20.29 plus tax 
and then I flipped it over and read the back and saw "special 
features: additional scenes, conversations with the cast, preparing 
for the yule ball etc." and so I knew it was the one I wanted. I 
have only had time to watch the conversations with the cast 
(interview with the trio) it was cute. Wish Rupert would talk more - 
Emma made me laugh how she would look at Dan every so often to 
double check that she had her facts straight. Anyway, I plan to 
watch it and the deleted stuff this evening. I am so sorry Steve 
that I didn't put that the best one to get would be the silver one 
but I honestly only hopped on this weekend to research which one to 
buy and then got off my pc. Maybe you can find someone who would 
like the other one or you could always use it for your main watching 
DVD. Anyway, glad you have the one with the extra stuff now.

Theresa






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar  9 03:33:50 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:33:50 -0600
Subject: GoF comments on movie
In-Reply-To: <dunvc6+492k@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <866B1656-AF1D-11DA-990A-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

So, I had never read any of the reviews before, but recently went to 
rottentomatos to check out what folks had said regarding GoF.  I was 
surprised to see some griping about the presentation of LV. You know, I 
just don't know what they wanted. To be honest, rewatching GoF the last 
couple of days, I have the same visceral reaction as I did in the 
theater. I just about want to vomit. I don't know what more one could 
ask for than Ralph Fiennes portrayal. When he touches Cederic with his 
foot....UGH!!! That is a NASTY person. And he is just insane. Not in 
Crouch way either. In a silky frightening way.  And to me Dan was 
certainly convincing. But of course the scene that still gets me the 
most is the return with the body. I find it riveting and sad and really 
pretty traumatic.

I still wish they had not gone quite as far back the other way mood 
wise in the very last scene. I just don't see Harry that much 
recovered. I can see now where they try to have him make the 
transition, but it doesn't quite work. It's too quick. I have to say, 
now rewatching Harry in the hall during DD's eulogy, he does look like 
he might pass out. Or throw up. It reminded me of my nephew, about that 
age, at my father's funeral. And that is exactly what happened during 
the graveside part of the funeral. Yup, if they had just keyed down 
that last scene about two or three more notches, I think I would have 
no real complaints at all about this presentation of GoF.

I noticed too, being able to watch it again, that there is the 
impression of Ministry oppression all the way through this in little 
bits. More than I realized. I suppose it was to take the place of not 
having all the drama at the end with Fudge. Even the note Sirius sends 
intimates that the Ministry is starting to monitor mail. Hmmm. Don't 
know if that is good enough to set up OoTP, but there is certainly 
ground work there.

I saw something interesting on the net, not sure where, but Newell said 
the approach to the story was that they just really stripped *anything* 
that wasn't directly connected to Harry out. I still think there was 
room for just a few things. For instance, when Harry is watching 
Karkaroff in the pensieve scene, I wish they would have had him connect 
"Longbottom" out loud. If he'd just said "Longbottom" after Karkaroff 
tells the ministry "tortured the auror Frank Longbottom and his wife", 
just a flash of Harry realizing it was Neville's parents before the 
Death Eater names Crouch Jr.  would have been good.

But overall, it is as good as I remember, for an adaptation of an 
incredibly lengthy and complex book. Anyone else have any new 
impressions getting to watch it "up close and personal"?




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Thu Mar  9 06:29:18 2006
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:29:18 -0000
Subject: Did I get cheated?--GoF Liner Notes (WasRe: Did I get Cheated?)
In-Reply-To: <duo27p+s9n3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <duohvu+3ioh@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
Believe it or not 
> Costco had the least expensive for the special edition in my area. 
> When I went to Costco - they had just opened for general members and 
> there were like 50 people in the entire store and no one was in the 
> movie area. I greedily searched for the box in the best condition 
> (why, I have no idea as it is the outside box for the store and the 
> actual DVD case is inside but silly me). When I picked it up I read 
> the back noted it was the 2 disc special edition for $20.29 plus tax 
> and then I flipped it over and read the back and saw "special 
> features: additional scenes, conversations with the cast, preparing 
> for the yule ball etc." and so I knew it was the one I wanted. 

Emily:
I, too, purchased my copy at Costco, and was a bit unnerved to 
discover that there were no liner notes inside the case.  Did anyone 
else get liner notes w/ GoF?
Emily
Who notes that her copy of PoA has "Marauder's Map" style liner notes 
and an advertisement for HP-inspired merchandise. 








From ejdioso at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 03:45:47 2006
From: ejdioso at yahoo.com (Ellen Joy Dioso)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:45:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: GoF comments on movie
In-Reply-To: <866B1656-AF1D-11DA-990A-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20060309034548.20321.qmail@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:     
So, I had never read any of the reviews before, but recently went to 
rottentomatos to check out what folks had said regarding GoF.  I was 
surprised to see some griping about the presentation of LV. You know, 
I just don't know what they wanted. To be honest, rewatching GoF the 
last couple of days, I have the same visceral reaction as I did in 
the theater. I just about want to vomit. I don't know what more one 
could ask for than Ralph Fiennes portrayal. When he touches Cederic 
with his foot....UGH!!! That is a NASTY person. And he is just insane. 
Not in Crouch way either. In a silky frightening way.  And to me Dan 
was certainly convincing. But of course the scene that still gets me 
the most is the return with the body. I find it riveting and sad and 
really pretty traumatic. <snip>
 
  
ejdioso:  
The story's nice....honestly, I'm not touched when Cedric died....
it's just part of the story...I know I will cry when it comes to the 
point that Daniel will die....






From roulston112131 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  7 20:33:27 2006
From: roulston112131 at yahoo.com (Ruth Roulston)
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:33:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Seeking lowest price on GOF Deluxe DVDs?
In-Reply-To: <1141756697.705.61758.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060307203327.69403.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>

Dina:
>> The lowest I'm getting is 17.96 at Overstock.com, includes stacking
10% and free shipping codes 73622 and 85704.

Anything lower? Again, these are the 'deluxe' DVDs... whatever that
means. {g} The grey trim versus reddish for regular WS DVD. <<



CompUSA offered a $14.99 (red Widescreen strip) and a 2-disk special 
edition at $19.99 (that must be the grey trim DVD).  The only thing 
on display was the red strip, so I bought it.
   
I think I'll take it back and try another store, like Best Buy. I'm 
near everything, so I don't get hit with shipping charges and all.  
Thanks for the tip!
   
  Ruth.





From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 08:13:54 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:13:54 -0000
Subject: Wal*Mart DVDs
Message-ID: <duoo42+101hc@eGroups.com>

W*M is sneaky!  Their 3 movie boxed set included the 2-disc versions 
of the first two movies but POA was the movie only, no extras.  My 
sister bought it figuring POA would be the same as SS and CoS -- boy 
was she p*ssed.  (It was cheaper than the boxed sets in other stores 
though.)

Lizzie
who is eagerly awaiting her deluxe DVD from Amazon







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 12:23:22 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 04:23:22 -0800
Subject: Seeking lowest price on GOF Deluxe DVDs?
In-Reply-To: <20060307203327.69403.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1141756697.705.61758.m16@yahoogroups.com>
	 <20060307203327.69403.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1a2738400603090423l6feac224mbfd7b7576f4a6ec8@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/06, Ruth Roulston <roulston112131 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think I'll take it back and try another store, like Best Buy. I'm
> near everything, so I don't get hit with shipping charges and all.
> Thanks for the tip!

Like I said, lowest price I could find because, if I buy locally, I
get hit with a 7% sales tax.  With Overstock, if the order is correct,
I got free shipping (via coupon code) and no tax to get a grand total
of $17.96 for the grey trim 'Deluxe'.  Another gal said she found
$16.99 for the Deluxe in her PA area, but if we had that store here in
FL, add 7% tax and it's $18.18, which is higher than what I paid for. 
Of course, this is *if* I indeed get the Deluxe. {g}

Heh, there may be an increased number of red trim GOF boxes to hit
eBay shortly as folk try to get their costs back from buying the wrong
set.

Dina



From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar  9 12:55:58 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:55:58 -0000
Subject: GoF comments on movie
In-Reply-To: <20060309034548.20321.qmail@web35705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dup8ku+e47v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Ellen Joy Dioso <ejdioso at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:     
> So, I had never read any of the reviews before, but recently went 
to 
> rottentomatos to check out what folks had said regarding GoF.  I 
was 
> surprised to see some griping about the presentation of LV. You 
know, 
> I just don't know what they wanted. To be honest, rewatching GoF 
the 
> last couple of days, I have the same visceral reaction as I did in 
> the theater. I just about want to vomit. I don't know what more 
one 
> could ask for than Ralph Fiennes portrayal. When he touches 
Cederic 
> with his foot....UGH!!! That is a NASTY person. And he is just 
insane. 
> Not in Crouch way either. In a silky frightening way.  And to me 
Dan 
> was certainly convincing. But of course the scene that still gets 
me 
> the most is the return with the body. I find it riveting and sad 
and 
> really pretty traumatic. <snip>
>  
>   
> ejdioso:  
> The story's nice....honestly, I'm not touched when Cedric died....
> it's just part of the story...I know I will cry when it comes to 
the 
> point that Daniel will die....
>

erm... that's a bit creepy! don't mix up Daniel with Harry, please!
and I'm still hoping that JK will let our hero live at the end of 
book 7 :o)
   








From tmarends at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  9 13:43:03 2006
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:43:03 -0000
Subject: Seeking lowest price on GOF Deluxe DVDs?
In-Reply-To: <1a2738400603090423l6feac224mbfd7b7576f4a6ec8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dupbd7+l74v@eGroups.com>

I paid $19.96 at Amazon with free 2day shipping.  Granted I won't 
have the movie until I get home this evening, but it was the best 
price I could find.

Tim A

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Dina Lerret" <bunniqula at ...> 
wrote:
>
> On 3/7/06, Ruth Roulston <roulston112131 at ...> wrote:
> 
> > I think I'll take it back and try another store, like Best Buy. 
I'm
> > near everything, so I don't get hit with shipping charges and all.
> > Thanks for the tip!
> 
> Like I said, lowest price I could find because, if I buy locally, I
> get hit with a 7% sales tax.  With Overstock, if the order is 
correct,
> I got free shipping (via coupon code) and no tax to get a grand 
total
> of $17.96 for the grey trim 'Deluxe'.  Another gal said she found
> $16.99 for the Deluxe in her PA area, but if we had that store here 
in
> FL, add 7% tax and it's $18.18, which is higher than what I paid 
for. 
> Of course, this is *if* I indeed get the Deluxe. {g}
> 
> Heh, there may be an increased number of red trim GOF boxes to hit
> eBay shortly as folk try to get their costs back from buying the 
wrong
> set.
> 
> Dina
>







From bunniqula at gmail.com  Thu Mar  9 14:03:37 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:03:37 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Seeking lowest price on GOF Deluxe DVDs?
In-Reply-To: <dupbd7+l74v@eGroups.com>
References: <1a2738400603090423l6feac224mbfd7b7576f4a6ec8@mail.gmail.com>
	 <dupbd7+l74v@eGroups.com>
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On 3/9/06, Tim <tmarends at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I paid $19.96 at Amazon with free 2day shipping.  Granted I won't
> have the movie until I get home this evening, but it was the best
> price I could find.

Free *second* day shipping?  Hm, part of a paid program?

I was lucky to find a person who posted instructions and coupon codes
on how to get the $17.96 price at Overstock, which I posted the coupon
codes I used on-list here.

I'm like Ruth in that I have many major stores nearby.  At Clearwater
Mall, which is less than two minutes from where I work, there's
Costco, Sam's Club, Target, and Borders.  Across the highway is a Best
Buy.  Add another five minutes from where I work is Sunset Point with
Barnes&Noble, CompUSA, and Circuit City.  While there's a Blockbuster
on the way to work.  And *at least* three Walmarts in Clearwater, one
of which is one of those 'super' stores.  Dude, Walmart is taking
over.  Poor Kmart, or Sears Essential as it's now being called, has
mostly empty parking lots.

Dina



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar  9 14:31:41 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:31:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get cheated?--GoF Liner Notes (WasRe: Did I get Cheated?)
References: <duohvu+3ioh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c64386$2ea56df0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

. 
> 
> Emily:
> I, too, purchased my copy at Costco, and was a bit unnerved to 
> discover that there were no liner notes inside the case.  Did anyone 
> else get liner notes w/ GoF?
> Emily
> Who notes that her copy of PoA has "Marauder's Map" style liner notes 
> and an advertisement for HP-inspired merchandise. 
> 
kchuplis:

No liner notes. Just the little merchandise folder.




From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Thu Mar  9 19:05:24 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:05:24 -0000
Subject: Did I get cheated?--GoF Liner Notes - w/tiny spoiler
In-Reply-To: <duohvu+3ioh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dupu9k+c0f4@eGroups.com>

Tiny spoiler in regards to deleted scenes

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Emily" <imamommy at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333@> wrote:
> Believe it or not 
> > Costco had the least expensive for the special edition in my 
area. 
> > When I went to Costco - they had just opened for general members 
and 
> > there were like 50 people in the entire store and no one was in 
the 
> > movie area. I greedily searched for the box in the best condition 
> > (why, I have no idea as it is the outside box for the store and 
the 
> > actual DVD case is inside but silly me). When I picked it up I 
read 
> > the back noted it was the 2 disc special edition for $20.29 plus 
tax 
> > and then I flipped it over and read the back and saw "special 
> > features: additional scenes, conversations with the cast, 
preparing 
> > for the yule ball etc." and so I knew it was the one I wanted. 
> 
> Emily:
> I, too, purchased my copy at Costco, and was a bit unnerved to 
> discover that there were no liner notes inside the case.  Did 
anyone 
> else get liner notes w/ GoF?
> Emily
> Who notes that her copy of PoA has "Marauder's Map" style liner 
notes 
> and an advertisement for HP-inspired merchandise.
>
You know I wondered the same thing when I opened my DVD - where are 
my "papers"? It would have been nice to have had that but I suppose 
it is ok since they put what was on the 2nd disk on the back of the 
case. I just like having the liner notes. So did anyone get any?

Also, in regards to the deleted scenes...I watched them last night 
and I truly don't understand why they were deleted. What would it 
have added a whole 15 minutes tops? So the movie would have been just 
shy of 3 hours? That's max as some of the deleted scenes had a 
smidgen of the scene that was included. There were a couple they 
really should have added - as in the Snape/Karkaroff scene and maybe 
the Mad-eye talking to Crouch scene. Hey the LOTR films were 3 hours 
and that was not too long. I understand from listening to the trio 
that some scenes that got cut just didn't look well but all of the 
deleted scenes seemed all right to me. Just my 2 knuts but they 
should have left the scenes in.

Theresa






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar  9 20:06:23 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:06:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get cheated?--GoF Liner Notes - w/tiny spoiler
References: <dupu9k+c0f4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001701c643b4$f0aa3a60$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at cox.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get cheated?--GoF Liner Notes - w/tiny spoiler


> Tiny spoiler in regards to deleted scenes
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Emily" <imamommy at ...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333@> wrote:
> > Believe it or not
> > > Costco had the least expensive for the special edition in my
> area.
> > > When I went to Costco - they had just opened for general members
> and
> > > there were like 50 people in the entire store and no one was in
> the
> > > movie area. I greedily searched for the box in the best condition
> > > (why, I have no idea as it is the outside box for the store and
> the
> > > actual DVD case is inside but silly me). When I picked it up I
> read
> > > the back noted it was the 2 disc special edition for $20.29 plus
> tax
> > > and then I flipped it over and read the back and saw "special
> > > features: additional scenes, conversations with the cast,
> preparing
> > > for the yule ball etc." and so I knew it was the one I wanted.
> >
> > Emily:
> > I, too, purchased my copy at Costco, and was a bit unnerved to
> > discover that there were no liner notes inside the case.  Did
> anyone
> > else get liner notes w/ GoF?
> > Emily
> > Who notes that her copy of PoA has "Marauder's Map" style liner
> notes
> > and an advertisement for HP-inspired merchandise.
> >
> You know I wondered the same thing when I opened my DVD - where are
> my "papers"? It would have been nice to have had that but I suppose
> it is ok since they put what was on the 2nd disk on the back of the
> case. I just like having the liner notes. So did anyone get any?
>
> Also, in regards to the deleted scenes...I watched them last night
> and I truly don't understand why they were deleted. What would it
> have added a whole 15 minutes tops? So the movie would have been just
> shy of 3 hours? That's max as some of the deleted scenes had a
> smidgen of the scene that was included. There were a couple they
> really should have added - as in the Snape/Karkaroff scene and maybe
> the Mad-eye talking to Crouch scene. Hey the LOTR films were 3 hours
> and that was not too long. I understand from listening to the trio
> that some scenes that got cut just didn't look well but all of the
> deleted scenes seemed all right to me. Just my 2 knuts but they
> should have left the scenes in.
>
> Theresa
>
kchuplis:

The only three I would really have liked to seen stay it are the Harry on
the stairs with Cho, the scene that would have been between finding Crouch
and going to Dumbledore's office with HRH and the Snape/Karkaroff scene. I
can see holding out the Moody/Crouch scene as it was a little suspicious
Moody being that harsh fairly early in the film.






From GryffindorAuburn at aol.com  Thu Mar  9 23:38:38 2006
From: GryffindorAuburn at aol.com (GryffindorAuburn at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:38:38 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GoF comments on movie
Message-ID: <90.708578e6.3142167e@aol.com>


In a message dated 3/9/06 8:01:16 AM, jheiler at sympatico.ca writes:


> erm... that's a bit creepy! don't mix up Daniel with Harry, please!
> and I'm still hoping that JK will let our hero live at the end of
> book 7 :o)
> 

Uh oh is this what the rumor or reality is? Is JK leaning towards killing 
Harry?

Amy


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From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar 10 00:51:07 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:51:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <000b01c642b1$dd9a9d60$1b9cc5d1@themarlins>
Message-ID: <20060310005107.68434.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My friend picked me up the 2 disc special edition at Wal-mart. I have not opened it yet. Is that the right one or is there another 2 disc version?

Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 10 00:59:40 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:59:40 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: GoF comments on movie
In-Reply-To: <90.708578e6.3142167e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2791BBA1-AFD1-11DA-BE6F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Thursday, March 9, 2006, at 05:38 PM, GryffindorAuburn at aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/9/06 8:01:16 AM, jheiler at sympatico.ca writes:
>
>
>> erm... that's a bit creepy! don't mix up Daniel with Harry, please!
>> and I'm still hoping that JK will let our hero live at the end of
>> book 7 :o)
>>
>
> Uh oh is this what the rumor or reality is? Is JK leaning towards 
> killing
> Harry?
>
> Amy
>
>

kchuplis:

It is rumor that Harry will die. 
  




From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Mar 10 01:04:50 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:04:50 -0000
Subject: GoF comments on movie
In-Reply-To: <90.708578e6.3142167e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <duqjbi+hluf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, GryffindorAuburn at ... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 3/9/06 8:01:16 AM, jheiler at ... writes:
> 
> 
> > erm... that's a bit creepy! don't mix up Daniel with Harry, 
please!
> > and I'm still hoping that JK will let our hero live at the end of
> > book 7 :o)
> > 
> 
> Uh oh is this what the rumor or reality is? Is JK leaning towards 
killing 
> Harry?
> 
> Amy
Hi Amy,
I know much more learned people could speak to the debate as to 
whether Harry will give his life in service to ridding the world of 
LV, but to cut to the chase, in a hero's journey, the hero can 
indeed die at the climax of his journey. Since JKR seems to be 
modeling HP on a form of the hero's journey, it could happen. There 
are lots of interviews with her and if I remember correctly, she 
does comment on this idea. Google her interviews and you'll get 
them. On the other list, there has been tons of speculation. Do you 
write there too? If not, join up, and use "Yahoomort" to search this 
topic. And we haven't talked about it much lately. The list could be 
due for another round of debate. In her usual inscrutable fashion, 
JKR has said nothing definitive or it would be news. Rest easy until 
Summer 2007.
Jen D.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>








From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 10 01:53:03 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:53:03 -0600
Subject: Notes on character portrayal
Message-ID: <9CC36108-AFD8-11DA-BE6F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

There are many things that go into successfully creating a character. 
In Potterverse, moving from page to screen, there is a challenge to 
many of the actors in not becoming a cartoon representation, 
particularly with certain characters. IMO, there are a few real 
standouts in the HP cast, and perhaps the single most important acting 
element that makes these portrayals an uncontested success is the 
ability to deliver the dialogue, to find the character's voice.

Two particular favorites of mine are Snape and Hagrid.

Snape's introductory speech is one such example. Speaking of potions, 
he is able to caress each phrase - make them sing. It's almost a croon 
(which helped me imagine his healing of Draco in Book 6 easily). 
Therefore, when he addresses Harry the first time, his use of staccato 
bitten off phrases automatically "pop" and the viewer, even never 
having read the books would pick up on a psychological imperative 
between Snape and Harry. The manner of his speech - not just the tone 
but the physical sounds- cue us to the fact that addressing "our new 
ceelbrity" is akin to having his teeth pulled. Another favorite line of 
his for me is in PoA when Snape encounters Lupin after he has cornered 
Harry with the Maurader's map in the hall. We hear a similar staccato, 
bitten off phrase "Lu-pin" snapped off. And then "Out for a little 
walk...in the moonlight."  There is an added layer just in the manner 
that he delivers this. The slight stresses on Lupin and moonlight add 
the smallest touch of mockery; popping the "p" in Lupin and extending 
the "ooo" in moonlight. So, we who know the books well know why, but 
even without this, after that one small phrase anyone viewing and 
listening is left with a slightly uncomfortable feeling of having just 
witnessed, as an outsider, a jibe between two people with a history.

Those are only two examples from a rich palette. It doesn't matter if 
he is on screen 2 minutes or 10, we get the lay of the land with his 
character from delivery alone much of the time. But it is all done with 
shades and coloring so subtle that he keeps Snape, one of the easily 
most eccentric characters, grounded and out of the dangerous label of 
"cartoon".

Perhaps even more of a challenge would be the character of Hagrid. Of 
giant physical dimensions but having a heart of gold it might be very 
easy to turn his portrayal into the comic buffoon. While, yes, this 
character does function as comic relief at times, what I find Coltrane 
doing to keep this character from becoming a cartoon is the way he uses 
his delivery to be almost a stream of consciousness. Hagrid doesn't 
much think before he speaks. This manner of "thinking out loud" 
presents humor on many levels, but keeps him earnest, which makes the 
funny things even funnier. I think my favorite example is when Harry 
asks him in PS/SS where he got the dragon egg and Hagrid tells him from 
a fellow at the bar but continues in a totally natural way as though he 
just noticed it "he seemed to be quite glad to be rid of it, actually". 
It's done as a reveal, a new thought that he has not quite grasped the 
meaning of yet. He uses this in almost every scene where HRH are 
digging info out of him and he manages by means of this thinking of 
things just now to present Hagrid not as a clown, but just as an 
uncomplicated person, who now faced with these specific questions, is 
realizing that maybe there is more than what he saw on the surface at 
the time things happen. It just takes him a while. He becomes the kind 
of person who lives moment to moment and with little subterfuge in his 
nature.

Well, this has become a novel but I was just thinking about how skilled 
these actors are and how they have helped to make the movies more 
fulfilling than they might have been if they were just wrote deliveries 
of the books on celluloid. I think this goes across the board for the 
eccentric characters; Lockhart, McGonnagall, Trelawney and Mad-Eye also 
deserve special mention. I simply love their line delivery!




From bunniqula at gmail.com  Fri Mar 10 03:03:41 2006
From: bunniqula at gmail.com (Dina Lerret)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:03:41 -0000
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <20060310005107.68434.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <duqqad+gisj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Candle <silverstreams at ...> wrote:
>
> My friend picked me up the 2 disc special edition at Wal-mart. I
have not opened it yet. Is that the right one or is there another 2
disc version?
> 

The 'Deluxe' version has a grey trim and says 'Special Edition'. 
Browse over past messages posted here within the last couple days for
additional details.

Confirm you have the right version *before* opening.

Dina








From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Fri Mar 10 20:34:21 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:34:21 -0500
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <1142020907.484.33267.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1142020907.484.33267.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C8129925D68A35-BF0-1B7@MBLK-R08.sysops.aol.com>

Candle:
My friend picked me up the 2 disc special edition at Wal-mart. I have not opened 
it yet. Is that the right one or is there another 2 disc version?


Jade:
 
I think one of the biggest distinctions would be that the Deluxe edition comes with a designed metallic looking slip cover that goes over the DVD itself, which mine had. If that is what yours came in, you most likely have the special Deluxe version.

 


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 10 20:46:21 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:46:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
References: <1142020907.484.33267.m16@yahoogroups.com> <8C8129925D68A35-BF0-1B7@MBLK-R08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c64483$b0149020$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dragonjcndm2 at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras


> Candle:
> My friend picked me up the 2 disc special edition at Wal-mart. I have not
opened
> it yet. Is that the right one or is there another 2 disc version?
>
>
> Jade:
>
> I think one of the biggest distinctions would be that the Deluxe edition
comes with a designed metallic looking slip cover that goes over the DVD
itself, which mine had. If that is what yours came in, you most likely have
the special Deluxe version.
>
>
Yeah, it's like a hologram. It changes between Harry accioing wand (sic) and
a straight front portrait.





From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Mar 10 22:58:02 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:58:02 -0000
Subject: dark films
Message-ID: <dut09q+mo5f@eGroups.com>

Hi Sports Fans:
This is a conversation Karen and I began having off list when we 
realized it belonged up on the list. Karen started it in regards to 
my remark that HP didn't rule her life.

Karen writes:
...I am a serious fan 
though a late comer. I quite honestly have in the past few months 
been non-stop Harry. Mostly rereading to get the drift of her 
writing. I consider her right up there with my other favorite author 
Anne McCaffery. I love to reread writing and see just what it is 
that makes it tick. And the movies of course, just are so perfectly 
cast that it enhances the reading. You don't get a combination like 
that very often. I do think that the film, having done SO well, will 
convince the studio that they can have them be darker. 

Jen D. writes:

Hey Karen, 
Again this is a post and I promise to put it up but you have to let 
me quote you. I object to calling the movies "dark." I feel that if 
a movie is dark, it gives the impression there is no hope. And I 
think most of the time, the film makers have done a good job of 
catching the tone of the books. The first two, while full of the 
discovery of the WW, certainly had their moments of suspense and 
tension and obviously, 
moments where Harry faced some great dark wizard or beastie but I 
have heard increasingly how wonderful it was that Harry is getting 
darker!. This bothers me because Harry is about good, and how good 
will triumph. That's why he can not be bought by the ministry, which 
is about self-preservation and if saving the WW gets in the way, 
then so much the better. Yes, the confrontations with LV are getting 
more and  more intense and have been done very well in the last film 
but ultimately, it's the confrontations we are seeing (and the 
attendant menace that preceeds) and we are calling the films dark 
because of it. As each film follows the books, yes, it's always 
darkest before the dawn and the sense of dread grows, but these 
aren't dark books or dark films. Am I making any sense? We can read 
Anne Rice for that sort of stuff. Wholely dark stuff, literature and 
films that exist to glorify evil is not my cup of tea. I wouldn't 
read or watch Harry if I thought he were a champion of the darkness. 
It may seem like I have gone off a bit but I have just heard people 
describe the movies as "increasingly dark" as if they are becoming 
increasingly unsavory and yippee for that! No. Each book, if you 
want the truth, brings us closer to LV's destruction and that's a 
good thing. I hope the WW can reform itself so another LV doesn't 
have the chance to rise but before that, this one has to be 
destroyed and that's not a happy thing, but a necessary thing, not 
the action of someone who relishes the dark. I don't know if this 
makes sense. I do appreciate the very evil presentation they made of 
LV. I wouldn't want him the least bit approachable. Yet, one can see 
how a broken or marred individual could find his sort of deception 
attractive. So while they have to be honest about LV, 
I just don't want to perpetuate the concept that these are dark 
movies. There will be more frightening things happening, no doubt 
but they are needful. I have talked too much. This will turn into a 
post.
J 
 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 11 01:44:50 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:44:50 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] dark films/other bits
In-Reply-To: <dut09q+mo5f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <A0D66766-B0A0-11DA-B337-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 04:58 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:
>
>
> Jen D. writes:
>
> Hey Karen,
> Again this is a post and I promise to put it up but you have to let
> me quote you. I object to calling the movies "dark." I feel that if
> a movie is dark, it gives the impression there is no hope. And I
> think most of the time, the film makers have done a good job of
> catching the tone of the books. The first two, while full of the
> discovery of the WW, certainly had their moments of suspense and
> tension and obviously,
> moments where Harry faced some great dark wizard or beastie but I
> have heard increasingly how wonderful it was that Harry is getting
> darker!. This bothers me because Harry is about good, and how good
> will triumph.

kchuplis:

I agree *Harry* is not getting darker but the story is no longer about 
scary Halloween moments. Perhaps, rather than "darker" I should say 
that maybe the studio is wising up that it is OK to portray the gravity 
of the situation. The books increase in gravity as Harry 1) experiences 
worse things and 2) realizes the wider implications of these events. 
They lost their nerve in the last scene to keep the gravity Harry 
deserved.

I have also noticed something else I wanted to point out that has been 
interesting me in all the films. There appears to have been some hints 
dropped to the film makers about characters future paths. I remember 
being taken aback by Hermiones discomfort at the end of CoS in hugging 
Ron (or rather, mutual discomfort) which seemed to speak of a big 
difference in how Hermione and Ron relate to each other. I checked the 
book the next time I read it an there just was not really anything to 
suggest this. Then in PoA, there is a moment when Buckbeak is 
introduced to Harry that Hermione grabs Rons hand and he is startled, 
again that odd foreshadowing of a "different" relationship than with 
her other friends. I check PoA the next time I read it and really found 
no hint of that. Of course, we all know that by GoF and the big Yule 
storyline that it was obvious where things were heading but definitely, 
IMO, the filmakers had a big heads up there or we wouldn't have seen 
those little moments in the previous three movies. Or did I just miss 
that in those books the first several times reading them? I'm curious 
as to what others think.

It makes me wonder what else we have actually been seeing in the movies 
in a slightly different light, maybe more subtle that are preplants of 
info on where characters are headed. George and Fred are certainly 
given a much larger share of the limelight in GoF which makes me 
hopeful that the great escape will be included in OoTP, but also, I've 
always felt they will be important in the denouement of book seven. The 
more screen time they get, the more I think this is going to pan out. 
It always has seemed that their level of magic has been slowly coming 
to be admired as better than average and their ability to scheme is 
certainly a possible useful tool for Harry. Any thoughts?




From silverstreams at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 11 02:15:50 2006
From: silverstreams at sbcglobal.net (Candle)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:15:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <8C8129925D68A35-BF0-1B7@MBLK-R08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060311021550.49407.qmail@web82205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you Jade,
   
  Mine does have the metalic slip cover. Too bad WB made it so confusing.


Candle 
   
  May there always be a light to guide you.


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From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Mar 11 02:22:47 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:22:47 -0000
Subject: dark films/other bits
In-Reply-To: <A0D66766-B0A0-11DA-B337-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dutc9n+8emo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 04:58 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> kchuplis:
> 
> I agree *Harry* is not getting darker but the story is no longer 
about 
> scary Halloween moments. Perhaps, rather than "darker" I should 
say 
> that maybe the studio is wising up that it is OK to portray the 
gravity 
> of the situation. The books increase in gravity as Harry 1) 
experiences 
> worse things and 2) realizes the wider implications of these 
events. 
> They lost their nerve in the last scene to keep the gravity Harry 
> deserved.
> 
> I have also noticed something else I wanted to point out that has 
been 
> interesting me in all the films. There appears to have been some 
hints 
> dropped to the film makers about characters future paths. I 
remember 
> being taken aback by Hermiones discomfort at the end of CoS in 
hugging 
> Ron (or rather, mutual discomfort) which seemed to speak of a big 
> difference in how Hermione and Ron relate to each other. I checked 
the 
> book the next time I read it an there just was not really anything 
to 
> suggest this. Then in PoA, there is a moment when Buckbeak is 
> introduced to Harry that Hermione grabs Rons hand and he is 
startled, 
> again that odd foreshadowing of a "different" relationship than 
with 
> her other friends. I check PoA the next time I read it and really 
found 
> no hint of that. Of course, we all know that by GoF and the big 
Yule 
> storyline that it was obvious where things were heading but 
definitely, 
> IMO, the filmakers had a big heads up there or we wouldn't have 
seen 
> those little moments in the previous three movies. Or did I just 
miss 
> that in those books the first several times reading them? I'm 
curious 
> as to what others think.

Jen interjects here:
You know, we all were pretty sure where H/R were headed. But as per 
usual JKR was much more subtle. She'd have the two bickering in a 
remarkably similar way to Ron's parents. She'd have Hermione fuss 
over Ron in a gently suggestive manner. Nothing as overt as the 
films. The film makers couldn't be as subtle as JKR I am supposing. 
But don't doubt that most people were very convinced that there was 
something between the two. It wasn't a surprise. But something 
happened in POA-film, JKR remarked, something that foreshadowed what 
is to come, my suspicion is relationship-wise, that was not even 
hinted at in the books. I wish I knew what that was. She's awfully 
hard to follow with her clues. I am hoping the Diary being a horcrux 
was the only big clue in COS because she's always said COS almost 
gave the whole thing away...
> 
> It makes me wonder what else we have actually been seeing in the 
movies 
> in a slightly different light, maybe more subtle that are 
preplants of 
> info on where characters are headed. George and Fred are certainly 
> given a much larger share of the limelight in GoF which makes me 
> hopeful that the great escape will be included in OoTP, but also, 
I've 
> always felt they will be important in the denouement of book 
seven. The 
> more screen time they get, the more I think this is going to pan 
out. 
> It always has seemed that their level of magic has been slowly 
coming 
> to be admired as better than average and their ability to scheme 
is 
> certainly a possible useful tool for Harry. Any thoughts?

Jen again,
I personally go back and forth about the twins. I was thrilled, just 
over the moon about their screen time in GOF. I give props to Mike 
Newell for letting them have so many opportunities to display their 
talents. I just know that MN will include their escape. It's too 
brilliant. As for their involvement in Book 7, I am seriously 
afeared they'll be the object of LV's side-plotting. Where's 
Olivander? Their magic is seriously good and could easily be used 
for evil. I worry that the next film has so much ground to make up 
for, in the lack of foreshadowing in GOF. Sirius has some serious 
character development to get on top of. We hardly know him via film. 
And now he's got to be sullen and withdrawn. Not fair. Your piece 
about character development should include how to make up for all 
the deficits.
Jen D






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 11 04:09:51 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:09:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: dark films/other bits
In-Reply-To: <dutc9n+8emo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <E328ED3E-B0B4-11DA-9334-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 08:22 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> Jen again,
> I personally go back and forth about the twins. I was thrilled, just
> over the moon about their screen time in GOF. I give props to Mike
> Newell for letting them have so many opportunities to display their
> talents. I just know that MN will include their escape. It's too
> brilliant. As for their involvement in Book 7, I am seriously
> afeared they'll be the object of LV's side-plotting. Where's
> Olivander? Their magic is seriously good and could easily be used
> for evil. I worry that the next film has so much ground to make up
> for, in the lack of foreshadowing in GOF. Sirius has some serious
> character development to get on top of. We hardly know him via film.
> And now he's got to be sullen and withdrawn. Not fair. Your piece
> about character development should include how to make up for all
> the deficits.
>
kchuplis:

I've no doubt that Sirius will not be as "fulltime" sullen as he is in 
the book. There has got to be a warmer welcome for one thing. Gary 
Oldman is certainly up to the task of radiating warmth to Harry but 
expressing impatience at being locked up. The other thing is that on 
film, it is amazing how just small scenes can convey a lot. That's 
almost a luxury that novelists do not have. The visual element makes up 
for a lot. The writers have proved themselves fairly capable of this 
type of thing. I'm also willing to bet they'll give OoTP a bit more 
time on screen. The fact that the movies have only gained in the box 
office, and now, this being the highest selling opening day of DVD 
sales of the the HP movies ought to grant at least a bit more. HP movie 
makers have the benefit of really the best actors in England for these 
characters and that is like gold in the bank I think. I'm hearing a 
release date now of Nov. 2007. It's going to be interesting if "knowing 
the rest of the story" has any effect though.




From siskiou at vcem.com  Sat Mar 11 05:33:07 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:33:07 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] dark films/other bits
In-Reply-To: <A0D66766-B0A0-11DA-B337-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
References: <dut09q+mo5f@eGroups.com>
 <A0D66766-B0A0-11DA-B337-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <2556091.20060310213307@vcem.com>



Hi,

Friday, March 10, 2006, 5:44:50 PM, kchuplis at alltel.net wrote:

> There appears to have been some hints 
> dropped to the film makers about characters future paths. I remember
> being taken aback by Hermiones discomfort at the end of CoS in hugging
> Ron (or rather, mutual discomfort) which seemed to speak of a big
> difference in how Hermione and Ron relate to each other. I checked the
> book the next time I read it an there just was not really anything to
> suggest this. Then in PoA, there is a moment when Buckbeak is
> introduced to Harry that Hermione grabs Rons hand and he is startled,
> again that odd foreshadowing of a "different" relationship than with
> her other friends. I check PoA the next time I read it and really found
> no hint of that. Of course, we all know that by GoF and the big Yule
> storyline that it was obvious where things were heading but definitely,
> IMO, the filmakers had a big heads up there or we wouldn't have seen
> those little moments in the previous three movies. Or did I just miss
> that in those books the first several times reading them? I'm curious
> as to what others think.

Well, I thought there were definite hints for Ron and
Hermione heading toward couple hood starting in book one,
and becoming a little more obvious by the third book.

The hand holding and Buckbeak scene were not in the books,
but there was Hermione hugging and crying all over Ron when
they reconciled and he offered to help with defending
Buckbeak.

And weren't a lot of the books already out by the time CoS
was filmed?

I remember seeing Movie one, and immediately reading the
first four books afterward, so I'm pretty sure the film
makers already knew were the relationships were headed.

-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Mar 11 15:45:09 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 15:45:09 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <E328ED3E-B0B4-11DA-9334-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <duura5+3915@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Friday, March 10, 2006, at 08:22 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:
> 
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> I've no doubt that Sirius will not be as "fulltime" sullen as he 
is in 
> the book. There has got to be a warmer welcome for one thing. Gary 
> Oldman is certainly up to the task of radiating warmth to Harry 
but 
> expressing impatience at being locked up. The other thing is that 
on 
> film, it is amazing how just small scenes can convey a lot. That's 
> almost a luxury that novelists do not have. The visual element 
makes up 
> for a lot. The writers have proved themselves fairly capable of 
this 
> type of thing.

Jen interjects:
I get what you mean about doing so much with just a little on-screen 
time. Just cracked open my new GOF-dvd and one of the first nice 
little bits that speaks to your shorthand idea is how they introduce 
Mad-eye in basically 3-4 sentences and some striking visuals. He 
comes in the Great Hall, the ceiling goes nuts, he dispatches it 
nicely, thank you very much and the kids to the heavy lifting about 
who he is and what he does. Ron calls him "Mad-eye Moody." Hermione 
gives us his real name and Ron tells us he used to work for the 
ministry as an auror. Dean asks what an auror is, and Ron responds 
with as few words as possible, "Dark wizard-catcher." It all took 
less than 30 seconds I'll bet. Moody/Crouch then gulps down his 
polyjuice potion and someone asks what's he drinking. In a very 
Rowlingesque clue-delivery form, Harry says "I don't know but I 
don't think it's pumpkin juice." (Or something close to that!)If 
Harry only listened to himself, he'd know already something's up!

I think I am onto a riff here. I'll think and watch some more for 
Karen's shorthand delivery of HP knowledge in film format...
Jen D. 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 11 16:30:41 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:30:41 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <duura5+3915@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <614FEC61-B11C-11DA-8530-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


>
> Jen interjects:
> I get what you mean about doing so much with just a little on-screen
> time. Just cracked open my new GOF-dvd and one of the first nice
> little bits that speaks to your shorthand idea is how they introduce
> Mad-eye in basically 3-4 sentences and some striking visuals. He
> comes in the Great Hall, the ceiling goes nuts, he dispatches it
> nicely, thank you very much and the kids to the heavy lifting about
> who he is and what he does. Ron calls him "Mad-eye Moody." Hermione
> gives us his real name and Ron tells us he used to work for the
> ministry as an auror. Dean asks what an auror is, and Ron responds
> with as few words as possible, "Dark wizard-catcher." It all took
> less than 30 seconds I'll bet. Moody/Crouch then gulps down his
> polyjuice potion and someone asks what's he drinking. In a very
> Rowlingesque clue-delivery form, Harry says "I don't know but I
> don't think it's pumpkin juice." (Or something close to that!)If
> Harry only listened to himself, he'd know already something's up!
>

kchuplis:

That's a good way to describe it: film shorthand :D

Yup, they have done really well, I think, in giving you the lay of the 
land but keeping it "Rowlingesque".




From snape504 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 12 02:15:49 2006
From: snape504 at yahoo.com (Debra Jo Smith)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:15:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Did I get Cheated? HP DVD Extras
In-Reply-To: <1142101618.546.90084.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060312021549.59330.qmail@web31512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  Look on the box of the case that its in, there should be a silver box on the back with black letters that say:
  Special Features
  *additional Scenes
  * Conversations with the cast
  * Preparing for the Yule Ball
  * Reflections on the Fourth Film
  * Triwizard Tournament: Dragon arena
    - Dragon Challenge
    -Harry vs. the Horntail: The First Task
    - Meet the Champions
  * Triwizard Tournament: Lake
   
  and at the bottom of the grey box: 
  *Insert this disc into your PC'sDVD-ROM drive
   - EA Game Demo
   - Hogwarts timeline
   
  among other things like that.
  I hope this helps.
  Debby

		
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Mar 12 03:45:03 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:45:03 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <duura5+3915@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <970B0594-B17A-11DA-A38A-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>

You know,I was thinking too that I read several reviews that mentioned 
the uselessness of the Rita Skeeter scenes in GoF (which, I really 
love. She's so good.) but I think the writers put her in this film 
intentionally so that all they have to do is refer to her asking Harry 
if he had a pathological need for attention in conjunction with the 
Daily Prophet slander over the summer and you've covered twice as much 
book material on the subject. I really think is why that kind of "B" 
story line was included. They don't really need the blackmail bit, but 
they DO need her "style" of making up things (his age, his need for 
attention, his not really being a very high level wizard) to set up for 
OoTP. 




From rkdas at charter.net  Sun Mar 12 13:25:26 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:25:26 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <970B0594-B17A-11DA-A38A-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dv17g6+paoj@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> You know,I was thinking too that I read several reviews that 
mentioned 
> the uselessness of the Rita Skeeter scenes in GoF (which, I really 
> love. She's so good.) but I think the writers put her in this film 
> intentionally so that all they have to do is refer to her asking 
Harry 
> if he had a pathological need for attention in conjunction with 
the 
> Daily Prophet slander over the summer and you've covered twice as 
much 
> book material on the subject. I really think is why that kind 
of "B" 
> story line was included. They don't really need the blackmail bit, 
but 
> they DO need her "style" of making up things (his age, his need 
for 
> attention, his not really being a very high level wizard) to set 
up for 
> OoTP.

Hi,
You mention something that's bothered me quite a bit, even back in 
book form. Was Rita merely a plot device? I puzzled over her role 
and I would hate to admit that her sole purpose(s) were to set Harry 
up as a nut-job and then allow him to tell his story to the WW next 
film/book. I think for Ms. Richardson's benefit they allowed her to 
be so over-the-top in a way that I don't even think the book Rita 
managed. That "broom closet" remark, you know, about feeling right 
at home in a broom closet, that was not cricket somehow. Other 
listees have given half-baked ways she could have known he resided 
in a cupboard under the stairs at No.4 Privet Dr. but I just can't 
give them any real credibility. I think the actress wanted to make 
the most of her bits and they let her do some snarky things. 

I also never got the payoff for Hermione's hug. It's as if they set 
up for the triangle and then were satisfied to have only Viktor 
really care. If you remember, dear Viktor basically asked Harry 
about his relationship with Hermy and then said "she talks about you 
all the time." He didn't even seem to need the hug to know that 
Harry and Hermione are close. So, the hug feels like a dead end 
action. How do you place that hug?
Jen D






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun Mar 12 16:41:48 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:41:48 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dv17g6+paoj@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <199F2578-B1E7-11DA-8EBD-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Sunday, March 12, 2006, at 07:25 AM, susanbones2003 wrote:
>
> Hi,
> You mention something that's bothered me quite a bit, even back in
> book form. Was Rita merely a plot device? I puzzled over her role
> and I would hate to admit that her sole purpose(s) were to set Harry
> up as a nut-job and then allow him to tell his story to the WW next
> film/book. I think for Ms. Richardson's benefit they allowed her to
> be so over-the-top in a way that I don't even think the book Rita
> managed. That "broom closet" remark, you know, about feeling right
> at home in a broom closet, that was not cricket somehow. Other
> listees have given half-baked ways she could have known he resided
> in a cupboard under the stairs at No.4 Privet Dr. but I just can't
> give them any real credibility. I think the actress wanted to make
> the most of her bits and they let her do some snarky things.

kchuplis:

The wizarding world is a tiny place. I can believe she would know that. 
Hagrid would certainly know and he is not prone to keeping quiet about 
things. I suppose she is a plot device, but what isn't? She fits the 
pattern well. I see on JKR's site she replaced the know-it-all 11 y.o. 
Malfada, that JKR had originally thought about (who I think also is a 
bit of Bertha Jorkins in reincarnation too, only without the brains.) 
She wasn't too much more over the top than book Rita, I didn't think, 
but she stands out. Since she is NOT in OoTP the film it was IMO a good 
move.
>
JenD:
> I also never got the payoff for Hermione's hug. It's as if they set
> up for the triangle and then were satisfied to have only Viktor
> really care. If you remember, dear Viktor basically asked Harry
> about his relationship with Hermy and then said "she talks about you
> all the time." He didn't even seem to need the hug to know that
> Harry and Hermione are close. So, the hug feels like a dead end
> action. How do you place that hug?
>
>
kchuplis:

I place it just as Rita bait.  But still, it'll be useful for OoTP. 
Only a mention of it will be needed to set up how Harry and DD have 
been set up to look nuts. I wonder if there are any missing Rita bits 
in the edited film. We *know* there is more scenes than what made it on 
the DVD from stills. It's really too bad they seemed to want to keep it 
at 2.5 hours so badly. Looking at the deleted scenes, they really 
should have probably kept Moody telling Harry off for playing "hero" or 
else refilmed the bit on finding Barty Crouch dead. I wondered why 
Harry looked so pensive in that scene when here Hagrid, Ron and 
Hermione are singing.  Again, I am hoping that since OoTP is of epic 
length, they will let small bridges like that in even if it increases 
playing time a bit.  I am wondering how they will start OoTP though. 
I'm thinking a flashback dream of Cedric for Dudley to overhear and 
then straight to Harry mooning in the park and then provoking Dudley. 
They don't really need the news bit. I wonder how much they will keep 
of "after the dementors" and the owl barrage. I'm also really hoping 
they keep some of the stuff like the buttocks bits at the beginning in. 
And one of my favorite lines and Tonks introduction "Why are we all 
standing in the dark?"  They can crop out quite a lot at Grimauld place 
after Harry gets there (the cleaning etc.) or cut it way down. Though I 
really hope they keep capslock!Harry. I think it is really important. 
Have to keep the Thestrals bit, which begs me to wonder how much they 
will keep of the Hogwarts train. Oooo, the suspense. :D




From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Sun Mar 12 20:25:31 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:25:31 -0000
Subject: Just wondering
Message-ID: <dv203r+jed3@eGroups.com>

Hey, everyone! I was just wondering if there are any interviews with 
JK Rowling out there in which she shares her thoughts about movie 4?
I remember reading her comments about POA, but don't recall reading 
anything about her take on GOF. I hope she liked what she saw... I 
know I did! :o)
Nicole  






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Mar 13 04:33:44 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:33:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
In-Reply-To: <e8.262f6708.313f4512@aol.com>
References: <e8.262f6708.313f4512@aol.com>
Message-ID: <63cb2ea078eec51d1c849a2aa95b393e@verizon.net>

So...why are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just 
wondering.
Valerie




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 13 04:56:49 2006
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:56:49 -0000
Subject: Weird Sisters
In-Reply-To: <63cb2ea078eec51d1c849a2aa95b393e@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <dv2u2h+jk2a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
>
> So...why are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? 
Just 
> wondering.
> Valerie

Emily:
Well, the Barenaked Ladies are all guys.  So is Twisted Sister.  So 
it's not unprecedented.

Maybe that's why they're weird ;)







From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Mon Mar 13 05:04:20 2006
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (Jazmyn Concolor)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:04:20 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
In-Reply-To: <63cb2ea078eec51d1c849a2aa95b393e@verizon.net>
References: <e8.262f6708.313f4512@aol.com> <63cb2ea078eec51d1c849a2aa95b393e@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4414FD54.8090509@pacificpuma.com>

Why is the (muggle) band Twisted Sister all guys too?  Bands like to 
have contrary names.

Jazmyn

Valerie Flowe wrote:

>So...why are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just 
>wondering.
>Valerie
>
>
>  
>




From imamommy at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar 13 05:11:06 2006
From: imamommy at sbcglobal.net (Emily)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:11:06 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <199F2578-B1E7-11DA-8EBD-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dv2uta+klqv@eGroups.com>


kchuplis wrote:

Snip
h
 It's really too bad they seemed to want to keep it 
> at 2.5 hours so badly. Looking at the deleted scenes, they really 
> should have probably kept Moody telling Harry off for playing "hero" 
or 
> else refilmed the bit on finding Barty Crouch dead. I wondered why 
> Harry looked so pensive in that scene when here Hagrid, Ron and 
> Hermione are singing.  Again, I am hoping that since OoTP is of epic 
> length, they will let small bridges like that in even if it 
increases 
> playing time a bit. 

Emily:
I'm happy that they cut the scenes that were in the deleted scenes.  I 
thought the "playing the hero" bit was really out of character for 
Crouch!Moody, like they were trying to stuff in a bit of Bagman.  I 
thought the scene played fine, where the audience knows something's 
up, but not quite what.  Then, when you see the flashback in the 
pensieve, you realize it was the tongue thing.  It all kind of goes 
over Harry's head.  

I liked the school song, but I'm glad they cut it for pacing reasons.  
I am glad they didn't leave in the bit with Hermione pondering the 
potion ingredients, b/c that made it so heavy-handed, it was like 
getting hit by a bludger.  

Speaking of bludgers, my biggest disappointment was that they didn't 
show any of the QWC match.  It seemed choppy, and it would've been 
nice to see Krum do more than a fly-by.  But I guess, I understand, 
since they took out all the sub-plots tied to the match.

Emily







From robert at robertgoodman.net  Mon Mar 13 05:18:59 2006
From: robert at robertgoodman.net (Robert Goodman)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:18:59 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
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Valerie Flowe wrote:

>So...why are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just 
>wondering.
>Valerie


I run internet radio stations for a living, one of my current band finds on
www.radioioROCK.com is a band called "girls in hawaii", girls in hawaii are
actually six boys from belgium. Go figure :)

Robert Goodman
Head of Programming
www.radioIO.com
  




From jazmyn at pacificpuma.com  Mon Mar 13 06:20:27 2006
From: jazmyn at pacificpuma.com (Jazmyn Concolor)
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:20:27 -0800
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
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Robert Goodman wrote:

>Valerie Flowe wrote:
>
>  
>
>>So...why are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just 
>>wondering.
>>Valerie
>>    
>>
>
>
>I run internet radio stations for a living, one of my current band finds on
>www.radioioROCK.com is a band called "girls in hawaii", girls in hawaii are
>actually six boys from belgium. Go figure :)
>
>Robert Goodman
>Head of Programming
>www.radioIO.com
>  
>
>  
>
Theres also the group 'Bare Naked Ladies'.   Which are not bare, naked 
or female...

Jazmyn


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Mar 13 15:02:46 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:02:46 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
References: <dv2uta+klqv@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <003901c646af$3012d700$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


> Emily:
> I'm happy that they cut the scenes that were in the deleted scenes.  I
> thought the "playing the hero" bit was really out of character for
> Crouch!Moody, like they were trying to stuff in a bit of Bagman.  I
> thought the scene played fine, where the audience knows something's
> up, but not quite what.  Then, when you see the flashback in the
> pensieve, you realize it was the tongue thing.  It all kind of goes
> over Harry's head.
>
> I liked the school song, but I'm glad they cut it for pacing reasons.
> I am glad they didn't leave in the bit with Hermione pondering the
> potion ingredients, b/c that made it so heavy-handed, it was like
> getting hit by a bludger.
>
> Speaking of bludgers, my biggest disappointment was that they didn't
> show any of the QWC match.  It seemed choppy, and it would've been
> nice to see Krum do more than a fly-by.  But I guess, I understand,
> since they took out all the sub-plots tied to the match.
>
> Emily
>
kchuplis:
The only deleted scene I really wish they had left in was the Snape scene. I
grateful they left out the hoggity hogwarts singing and only kept a smidge
of the Wierd Sisters in. I'm also not too sorry to see a lot of the
quidditch cut myself. I mean, yeah it's fun but with SO much in this book
there are other things I was happy to see them concentrate on.





From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Mon Mar 13 18:46:42 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:46:42 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <003901c646af$3012d700$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dv4emi+l9k4@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
> kchuplis:
> The only deleted scene I really wish they had left in was the Snape 
scene. I
> grateful they left out the hoggity hogwarts singing and only kept a 
smidge
> of the Weird Sisters in. I'm also not too sorry to see a lot of the
> quidditch cut myself. I mean, yeah it's fun but with SO much in 
this book
> there are other things I was happy to see them concentrate on.
>
I too am glad the Hogwarts song was left out but some of the other 
scenes I liked. I really wish they had left in the Snape scene that 
seemed important to me, especially since we only had a log on fire 
for Sirius. I was wholly disappointed to not have the cave scene in 
the film. I think it would have made more sense if they had the trio 
visit him in the cave and chat about the tournament and 
the "suspected death eaters". My hubby who has only seen the films 
told me afterwords that if our sons and I had not talked so much 
about what we wanted to see prior to the film and chatted about what 
we liked in the film afterwords that he would not have understood the 
fact that Karkaroff and Snape knew each other, had been death eaters, 
Karkaroff rolled over on his fellow death eaters and Snape appears to 
be a good guy working for Dumbledore (he knows about HBP because we 
were aghast at the outcome). I also wish they had left the little 
snippet of Harry trying to get Cho's attention. Those are the two I 
wish had stayed in. Some of the others were OK too and would not have 
added much time to the film but the Hogwarts song, extended Weird 
Sisters song (just wish they had some of the looking at the band more 
than the crowd in the film - they were Weird looking) and the 
Quidditch scene in my humble opinion were appropriately chopped.






From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Mar 13 20:00:27 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:00:27 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
Message-ID: <2fb.817a1f.3147295b@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:47:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

So...why  are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just  
wondering.
Valerie


In the deleted scenes when Flitwick (I still hate how he looks  now!!) 
introduces the band, as far as I can tell, he never once says "Weird  Sisters" - he 
says "the band that needs no introduction" and then he points at a  thing like 
the projector Snape used in DADA in PoA and lights, noise, smoke,  etc., 
ensue.  I just wonder if WB removed the "Weird Sisters" reference to  avoid the 
problem they were having with the Wyrd Sisters folk music band from  Canada (who 
sued them over the useage, but got nowhere in court, as I  recall).  I just 
found that curious.
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/




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From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Mar 13 20:24:58 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:24:58 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dv4emi+l9k4@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dv4keq+h9ml@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333 at ...> wrote:
>
>> >
> I too am glad the Hogwarts song was left out but some of the other 
> scenes I liked. I really wish they had left in the Snape scene 
that 
> seemed important to me, especially since we only had a log on fire 
> for Sirius. I was wholly disappointed to not have the cave scene 
in 
> the film. I think it would have made more sense if they had the 
trio 
> visit him in the cave and chat about the tournament and 
> the "suspected death eaters". My hubby who has only seen the films 
> told me afterwords that if our sons and I had not talked so much 
> about what we wanted to see prior to the film and chatted about 
what 
> we liked in the film afterwords that he would not have understood 
the 
> fact that Karkaroff and Snape knew each other, had been death 
eaters, 
> Karkaroff rolled over on his fellow death eaters and Snape appears 
to 
> be a good guy working for Dumbledore (he knows about HBP because 
we 
> were aghast at the outcome). I also wish they had left the little 
> snippet of Harry trying to get Cho's attention. Those are the two 
I 
> wish had stayed in. Some of the others were OK too and would not 
have 
> added much time to the film but the Hogwarts song, extended Weird 
> Sisters song (just wish they had some of the looking at the band 
more 
> than the crowd in the film - they were Weird looking) and the 
> Quidditch scene in my humble opinion were appropriately chopped.


Hi there,
I was reading your message when it struck me how very well all the 
deleted scenes worked in the first 2 films. It seems they were cut 
merely to get the film below a certain time limit. ABC Family shows 
both SS/COS from time to time with all the deletes. I really enjoy 
them. I can not say the same thing at all for the deletes from GOF. 
They seem to be abrupt, with little to get us ready for them and not 
much to add. Even Snape and Karkarov were not given in enough 
context for a non-fan (your very courageous husband) to make their 
conversation intelligible. That's the one thing that bothers me 
about the films. As they get deeper and deeper into the story, they 
become more and more obscure to a non-fan. It seems a given that a 
film should hold together in and of itself. Our HP films have become 
a lot more clubby than is comfortable for me. I realize that almost 
everyone in the civilized world has heard of/read HP but it still 
seems to violate the nature of a narrative to rely on having read 
the books to make sense of the event. 
Jen D. (quickly putting her hands over her head to sheild herself 
from the blows from angry film-lovers)
>







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 13 21:14:46 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:14:46 -0000
Subject: DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm
Message-ID: <dv4nc6+osg6@eGroups.com>

Did anyone else notice this? There is one of the Deleted Scenes in
which the Trio is discussing the Dark Mark as it appears on someone's
arm. This could either be after Harry sees Karkarov's mark when he and
Snape were in the Potions Ingredients Cupboard. Or it could be just
after the Yull Ball, where, in the courtyard, Harry saw Snape protect
his arm from exposure by Karkarov.

The scene starts with a shot of the Trio, Ron speaks first and say
something to the effect, 'What do you suppose was on Hogwart's arm?';
HOGWART'S ARM. It blows by pretty quickly and neither of the other
actors acts as if they notice it. I suspect that this is one of the
reason this scene was left out.

Although, I'm not sure what the scene it, I vaguely recall in one
scene in one moive, one of the actors called another actor by his real
name instead of his character name. 

These things usually slip by so quickly that if you are caught up in
the story, you usually don't notice them.

Just passing it along.

Steve.bboyminn







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Mar 13 21:37:39 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:37:39 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm
References: <dv4nc6+osg6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004401c646e6$5a2c8f90$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm


> Did anyone else notice this? There is one of the Deleted Scenes in
> which the Trio is discussing the Dark Mark as it appears on someone's
> arm. This could either be after Harry sees Karkarov's mark when he and
> Snape were in the Potions Ingredients Cupboard. Or it could be just
> after the Yull Ball, where, in the courtyard, Harry saw Snape protect
> his arm from exposure by Karkarov.
>
> The scene starts with a shot of the Trio, Ron speaks first and say
> something to the effect, 'What do you suppose was on Hogwart's arm?';
> HOGWART'S ARM. It blows by pretty quickly and neither of the other
> actors acts as if they notice it. I suspect that this is one of the
> reason this scene was left out.
>
> Although, I'm not sure what the scene it, I vaguely recall in one
> scene in one moive, one of the actors called another actor by his real
> name instead of his character name.
>
> These things usually slip by so quickly that if you are caught up in
> the story, you usually don't notice them.
>

Found this:

When Molly Weasley, the mother, is running with Ron's rat to take it to him
on the train, she shouts 'RON, RON' and then if you listen closely, she says
'Rupert' which is the actor's name. [She does NOT say "Rupert." She yells
"Ron" several times, then she calls out "Ron" once more but it's rather
elongated (Rr-oo-nn). It's definitely not Rupert.]

I'll have to listen next time. Heh. I'll have to watch that trio scene
again.





From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 13 21:51:42 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:51:42 -0000
Subject: DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm
In-Reply-To: <dv4nc6+osg6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dv4phe+j6et@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone else notice this? There is one of the Deleted Scenes in
> which the Trio is discussing the Dark Mark as it appears on someone's
> arm. 
*snip* 
> The scene starts with a shot of the Trio, Ron speaks first and say
> something to the effect, 'What do you suppose was on Hogwart's arm?';
> HOGWART'S ARM. It blows by pretty quickly and neither of the other
> actors acts as if they notice it. I suspect that this is one of the
> reason this scene was left out.
> 
*snip*
> 
> Steve.bboyminn

Hi, steve: In the cut scene you're talking about, I've always heard 
Ron asking Harry about the mark on Karkaroff's arm, and I've looked at 
the scene quite a few times already. I realize the boys' accents are a 
bit thick at times, but I'm surprised that neither myself nor my 
daughter picked up on this mistake (we've both been going nuts over 
Hermione's towel at the end of the 2nd task! talk about a funny 
continuity mistake). I'm now extremely curious, and will have to watch 
the deleted scene again to pick up on this.
Nicole  







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Mar 13 21:58:34 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:58:34 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm
References: <dv4phe+j6et@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c646e9$4631a220$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jeanico2000" <jheiler at sympatico.ca>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone else notice this? There is one of the Deleted Scenes in
> > which the Trio is discussing the Dark Mark as it appears on someone's
> > arm. 
> *snip* 
> > The scene starts with a shot of the Trio, Ron speaks first and say
> > something to the effect, 'What do you suppose was on Hogwart's arm?';
> > HOGWART'S ARM. It blows by pretty quickly and neither of the other
> > actors acts as if they notice it. I suspect that this is one of the
> > reason this scene was left out.
> > 
> *snip*
> > 
> > Steve.bboyminn
> 
> Hi, steve: In the cut scene you're talking about, I've always heard 
> Ron asking Harry about the mark on Karkaroff's arm, and I've looked at 
> the scene quite a few times already. I realize the boys' accents are a 
> bit thick at times, but I'm surprised that neither myself nor my 
> daughter picked up on this mistake (we've both been going nuts over 
> Hermione's towel at the end of the 2nd task! talk about a funny 
> continuity mistake). I'm now extremely curious, and will have to watch 
> the deleted scene again to pick up on this.
> Nicole  

Towel?




From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 13 22:16:22 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:16:22 -0000
Subject: Towel...
In-Reply-To: <007a01c646e9$4631a220$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dv4qvm+3b76@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jeanico2000" <jheiler at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:51 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: DVD Deleted Scenes - Hogwart's Arm
> 
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Did anyone else notice this? There is one of the Deleted 
Scenes in
> > > which the Trio is discussing the Dark Mark as it appears on 
someone's
> > > arm. 
> > *snip* 
> > > The scene starts with a shot of the Trio, Ron speaks first and 
say
> > > something to the effect, 'What do you suppose was on Hogwart's 
arm?';
> > > HOGWART'S ARM. It blows by pretty quickly and neither of the 
other
> > > actors acts as if they notice it. I suspect that this is one 
of the
> > > reason this scene was left out.
> > > 
> > *snip*
> > > 
> > > Steve.bboyminn
> > 
> > Hi, steve: In the cut scene you're talking about, I've always 
heard 
> > Ron asking Harry about the mark on Karkaroff's arm, and I've 
looked at 
> > the scene quite a few times already. I realize the boys' accents 
are a 
> > bit thick at times, but I'm surprised that neither myself nor my 
> > daughter picked up on this mistake (we've both been going nuts 
over 
> > Hermione's towel at the end of the 2nd task! talk about a funny 
> > continuity mistake). I'm now extremely curious, and will have to 
watch 
> > the deleted scene again to pick up on this.
> > Nicole  
> 
> Towel?

Yeah... towel. At the end of the 2nd task, Hermione wraps her big 
white towel around a freezing Harry's shoulders and then watch the 
fun. One moment it's on her, one moment it's off, and then it's on 
again! LOL! :o) 








From robert at robertgoodman.net  Mon Mar 13 22:34:52 2006
From: robert at robertgoodman.net (Robert Goodman)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:34:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Weird Sisters
In-Reply-To: <2fb.817a1f.3147295b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060313223454.UCIY2237.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@MOBILEROBERT>

In a message dated 3/13/2006 12:47:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

So...why  are they called the Weird Sisters if they are all guys??? Just
wondering.
Valerie
------
In the deleted scenes when Flitwick introduces the band he never says "Weird
Sisters" - he says "the band that needs no introduction". I wonder if WB
removed the "Weird Sisters" reference to  avoid the problem they were having
with the Wyrd Sisters folk music band from  Canada (who sued them over the
useage).

Lynda AKA "Abraxan" 

-----------
That is EXACTLY why, not using the name was the easiest way to solve the
problem....

Robert Goodman
radioio Program Director
www.radioioROCK.com
www.radioioBEAT.com





From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 00:14:15 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:14:15 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <003901c646af$3012d700$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dv51sn+vo8e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> The only deleted scene I really wish they had left in was the Snape 
scene. I
> grateful they left out the hoggity hogwarts singing and only kept a 
smidge
> of the Wierd Sisters in. I'm also not too sorry to see a lot of the
> quidditch cut myself. I mean, yeah it's fun but with SO much in this 
book
> there are other things I was happy to see them concentrate on.
>

For me they should have used the Snape/Karkaroff scene and deleted the 
pep song at the Maze.  Which leads me to once again lament the damage 
they've done to Flitwick's image, and Dumbledore's now that I think 
about it.  IMO Cuaron has a lot to answer for.  Thanks be they didn't 
mess with Snape!

Lizzie









From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 01:05:47 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:05:47 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dv51sn+vo8e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <ABFFD042-B2F6-11DA-93B7-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>


On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 06:14 PM, lizzie_snape wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>> The only deleted scene I really wish they had left in was the Snape
> scene. I
>> grateful they left out the hoggity hogwarts singing and only kept a
> smidge
>> of the Wierd Sisters in. I'm also not too sorry to see a lot of the
>> quidditch cut myself. I mean, yeah it's fun but with SO much in this
> book
>> there are other things I was happy to see them concentrate on.
>>
>
> For me they should have used the Snape/Karkaroff scene and deleted the
> pep song at the Maze.  Which leads me to once again lament the damage
> they've done to Flitwick's image, and Dumbledore's now that I think
> about it.  IMO Cuaron has a lot to answer for.  Thanks be they didn't
> mess with Snape!
>
> Lizzie
>
>
kchuplis:

How was Flitwick damaged?




From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Mar 14 12:39:07 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:39:07 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <ABFFD042-B2F6-11DA-93B7-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dv6dhb+52gs@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Monday, March 13, 2006, at 06:14 PM, lizzie_snape wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >>
> >> The only deleted scene I really wish they had left in was the 
Snape
> > scene. I
> >> grateful they left out the hoggity hogwarts singing and only 
kept a
> > smidge
> >> of the Wierd Sisters in. I'm also not too sorry to see a lot of 
the
> >> quidditch cut myself. I mean, yeah it's fun but with SO much in 
this
> > book
> >> there are other things I was happy to see them concentrate on.
> >>
> >
> > For me they should have used the Snape/Karkaroff scene and 
deleted the
> > pep song at the Maze.  Which leads me to once again lament the 
damage
> > they've done to Flitwick's image, and Dumbledore's now that I 
think
> > about it.  IMO Cuaron has a lot to answer for.  Thanks be they 
didn't
> > mess with Snape!
> >
> > Lizzie
> >
> >
> kchuplis:
> 
> How was Flitwick damaged?

Hi Karen,
I can't speak for Lizzie but alot of people really find his "Hitler" 
look quite repulsive. Cuaron intoduced the new Flitwick look and 
therefore has "alot to answer for." And no need to go over the DD 
thing again! I am sure if Flitwick had been a more central character 
that had been established in the first two films (ala the inemitable 
Mr. Rickman) and had not died, no director would have messed with 
his character's look. Who would have dared mess with Rickman after 
he delivered his first speech in such quietly menacing tones????
Jen D.
>







From f.klecka at mppl.lib.in.us  Tue Mar 14 14:26:49 2006
From: f.klecka at mppl.lib.in.us (florenceklecka)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:26:49 -0000
Subject: TriWizard Cup treatment
Message-ID: <dv6jr9+o0ha@eGroups.com>

This was probably already discussed (sorry) ages ago, but if I ruled 
the world and Mike Newell, I would have spent one tenth of the time 
on the 1st task and actually (gasp) filmed what was written in the 
book: Harry listening to the commentaries on the 1st 3 contestants 
and sweating bullets (about 30 seconds, max), then Harry going out, 
almost wetting his pants at the sight of the dragon and yelling 
immediately for his broom, then maybe 90 seconds of the dragon going 
for him as he waits desperately for the Firebolt. Then the crowd and 
Fudge going nuts as he flies like a pro, and about 1 minute later, 
he has the egg in his hand, big applause about how he was the 
fastest, etc. No bizarre crowd watching an empty stadium for an 
unspecified amount of time!
  Also, remember how in COS they really improved on JKR's weird "put 
the book in the sock" part at the end by putting the sock in the 
book? Well, it would have been nice to put some kind of underwater 
commentary in the second task so, once again, the crowd could have 
actually *seen* something for an hour rather than stand on a 
platform in February, waiting, and thinking murderous thoughts like: 
We gave up half a dozen Quidditch matches for *this*?
  And in the maze, don't get me started. No skills needed, just a 
big scary funhouse that, as always, none of the crowd can see? What 
on earth was the point of that?
  Thanks for letting me vent. I will wipe the froth off my chin and 
get on with my life now.

Florence






From hpfan1962 at yahoo.ca  Tue Mar 14 15:09:30 2006
From: hpfan1962 at yahoo.ca (Lise)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:09:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: DVD HP-GOF
Message-ID: <20060314150930.63122.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This message is addressed especially to canadian members...
  On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th minute, the picture freezes for a second (I thought it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD players and it does the same thing.)
  I exchanged my DVD, and the other one does the same thing.
  At the store, all the opened copies do the same thing (widescreen and fullscreen), and the salesman think that it's a defect of the product and suggested to me to contact Warner (who told me that it was normal because it was a long movie... oh yeah?).
  I would like to know if some of you have had that little problem also...
  Thanks!  -  Lise


- Lise
  Gryffindor
  Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
		
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 15:21:43 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:21:43 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
References: <dv6dhb+52gs@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c6477a$ffee3020$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


>
Jen:
> I can't speak for Lizzie but alot of people really find his "Hitler"
> look quite repulsive. Cuaron intoduced the new Flitwick look and
> therefore has "alot to answer for." And no need to go over the DD
> thing again! I am sure if Flitwick had been a more central character
> that had been established in the first two films (ala the inemitable
> Mr. Rickman) and had not died, no director would have messed with
> his character's look. Who would have dared mess with Rickman after
> he delivered his first speech in such quietly menacing tones????

> >
kchuplis:

Huh. I guess you can tell that didn't bug me. I think a charm just went
wrong in his class ;)





From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 14 15:24:08 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:24:08 -0000
Subject: DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <20060314150930.63122.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dv6n6o+4p5d@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lise <hpfan1962 at ...> wrote:
>
> This message is addressed especially to canadian members...
>   On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th minute, the 
picture freezes for a second (I thought it was the DVD, but I tried 
it on many DVD players and it does the same thing.)
>   I exchanged my DVD, and the other one does the same thing.
>   At the store, all the opened copies do the same thing 
(widescreen and fullscreen), and the salesman think that it's a 
defect of the product and suggested to me to contact Warner (who 
told me that it was normal because it was a long movie... oh yeah?).
>   I would like to know if some of you have had that little problem 
also...
>   Thanks!  -  Lise
> 
> 
> - Lise
>   Gryffindor
>   Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
> 		
Hi, Lise: what you're noticing there is normal and happens on almost 
all DVD's. WB is right in what they told you... it's something 
apparantly to do with the change in the layer on the DVD (or some 
technical nonsense term like that) when you're viewing a film that's 
over a certain length in time. The 'freeze' happens at the Yule 
ball, right? I have that on all my Potter DVD's and also thought 
they were defective at first till someone explained it to me. I'm in 
Canada, by the way, but this also happens on my US bought DVD's :o)
Hope this helps,
Nicole      






From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Mar 14 16:15:47 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:15:47 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <004e01c6477a$ffee3020$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <dv6q7j+u6or@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> >
> Jen:
> > I can't speak for Lizzie but alot of people really find 
his "Hitler"
> > look quite repulsive. Cuaron intoduced the new Flitwick look and
> > therefore has "alot to answer for." And no need to go over the DD
> > thing again! I am sure if Flitwick had been a more central 
character
> > that had been established in the first two films (ala the 
inemitable
> > Mr. Rickman) and had not died, no director would have messed with
> > his character's look. Who would have dared mess with Rickman 
after
> > he delivered his first speech in such quietly menacing tones????
> 
> > >
> kchuplis:
> 
> Huh. I guess you can tell that didn't bug me. I think a charm just 
went
> wrong in his class ;)

Jen here again,
It's interesting, what bugs people about the adaptations and the 
choices made. Some things don't ruffle my feathers that really 
bother others. People will swear the 3rd film was the most artful, 
the most delightful, the most whimisical and the most daring and 
adventurous. Then there are others who will never see that film 
again, knowing there were so many wonderful things deleted, the 
Shrieking Shack was a truncated, speed-demon of a scene, that Cuaron 
spent so much time on his whimsy, time that could have been spent 
actually telling the story JKR wrote. It's funny but I don't think 
there is really any accounting for it. I think I gave up having any 
preconceived ideas about what the films will look like, contain, how 
they will end. That seems to be the best way to go at it, knowing 
the unlike the books, they are group efforts!
Jen D.






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 16:23:25 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:23:25 -0600
Subject: Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
Message-ID: <00c301c64783$9eb0c2b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18268

Enjoy!




From sopraniste at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 16:58:16 2006
From: sopraniste at yahoo.com (Maria Holub)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:58:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <20060314150930.63122.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060314165816.94728.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That actually does happen in many movies. It's because
the data is layered to all fit on one disk, and the
hesitation occurs where the reader has to switch
layers. Think of it in terms of: if this were a VHS
video, this would be the point where the movie would
stop and you'd have to get up and put in the second
tape. Remember Braveheart? Dances with Wolves? The
Sound of Music, even? It's sometimes more noticeable
than other times, but I think it really is an
unavoidable thing with the technology.

Flop

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From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 17:01:54 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:01:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <20060314150930.63122.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060314170154.41391.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Lise <hpfan1962 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> This message is addressed especially to canadian
> members...
>   On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th
> minute, the picture freezes for a second (I thought
> it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD players
> and it does the same thing.)
<snip>
>   I would like to know if some of you have had that
> little problem also...
>   Thanks!  -  Lise
> 
> 
> - Lise
>   Gryffindor
>   Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
> 		
>
I'm not Canadian, and I haven't watched my DVD more
than once (so far), but I saw several such glitches in
the movie when I viewed it.  I was reserving judgement
on whether there was a problem with the disc until I'd
had a chance to try it on another player.  Your report
does not bode well for that experiment.

Thanks for the heads up.  I'm not too thrilled with
the marketing on this one anyway (many folks bought a
different version than they expected), and if it is a
reproducible glitch, I will be writing to Warner
Brothers about it.  With the profits they are making
on the franchise, they should be able to afford decent
quality control on the product.

Sue


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 17:11:12 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:11:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF
References: <20060314170154.41391.qmail@web53207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6478a$4baaedf0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

In almost all my DVD's there is sometimes a freeze between "chapters". It's
usually brief and doesn't disturb me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sue Wartell" <swartell at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF


>
> --- Lise <hpfan1962 at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > This message is addressed especially to canadian
> > members...
> >   On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th
> > minute, the picture freezes for a second (I thought
> > it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD players
> > and it does the same thing.)
> <snip>
> >   I would like to know if some of you have had that
> > little problem also...
> >   Thanks!  -  Lise
> >
> >
> > - Lise
> >   Gryffindor
> >   Dragon Heartstring, Ash, 7 inches
> >
> >
> I'm not Canadian, and I haven't watched my DVD more
> than once (so far), but I saw several such glitches in
> the movie when I viewed it.  I was reserving judgement
> on whether there was a problem with the disc until I'd
> had a chance to try it on another player.  Your report
> does not bode well for that experiment.
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  I'm not too thrilled with
> the marketing on this one anyway (many folks bought a
> different version than they expected), and if it is a
> reproducible glitch, I will be writing to Warner
> Brothers about it.  With the profits they are making
> on the franchise, they should be able to afford decent
> quality control on the product.
>
> Sue
>
>
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From swartell at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 17:29:16 2006
From: swartell at yahoo.com (Sue Wartell)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:29:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <000801c6478a$4baaedf0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <20060314172916.316.qmail@web53214.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:

> In almost all my DVD's there is sometimes a freeze
> between "chapters". It's
> usually brief and doesn't disturb me.
> 

But it happened at least twice, and right in the
middle of a scene, and in fact in the middle of a line
of dialog in one case.  I don't think that it would
have taken 3 VHS tapes for a 2.5 hour movie.  I found
it distracting and annoying.  I can live with it if I
have to, but I'm not happy about it.

Sue,
grumpy in Columbus OH

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 17:43:19 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:43:19 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF
References: <20060314172916.316.qmail@web53214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c6478e$c8362e80$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Oh that seems wierd to me. I've only ever seen it at scene changes.  I don't
think mine does that. Where is it at? I will check my copy.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sue Wartell" <swartell at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD HP-GOF


>
>
> --- Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > In almost all my DVD's there is sometimes a freeze
> > between "chapters". It's
> > usually brief and doesn't disturb me.
> >
>
> But it happened at least twice, and right in the
> middle of a scene, and in fact in the middle of a line
> of dialog in one case.  I don't think that it would
> have taken 3 VHS tapes for a 2.5 hour movie.  I found
> it distracting and annoying.  I can live with it if I
> have to, but I'm not happy about it.
>
> Sue,
> grumpy in Columbus OH
>
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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 19:05:23 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:05:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
References: <00c301c64783$9eb0c2b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <012f01c6479a$3f75fab0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

Thanks Karen! Loved Jason Isaacs bit about the Paris Hilton wig!

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karen 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:23 AM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!


  http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18268

  Enjoy!

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 14 19:37:57 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:37:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
References: <00c301c64783$9eb0c2b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <012f01c6479a$3f75fab0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>
Message-ID: <001101c6479e$cbc10fb0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I love that too. One of my favorite deliveries in all the movies from a
character has to be his "Why - don't - you - proveit! (lip curl) beat
(sniff)" from CoS. He is so perfect as Lucius.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michelle Chandler" <gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!


> Thanks Karen! Loved Jason Isaacs bit about the Paris Hilton wig!
>
> Michelle
> Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Karen
>   To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:23 AM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
>
>
>   http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18268
>
>   Enjoy!
>
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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 14 19:33:52 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:33:52 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
References: <00c301c64783$9eb0c2b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <012f01c6479a$3f75fab0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM> <001101c6479e$cbc10fb0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <019b01c6479e$3a1d2030$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

He is indeed, and delicious as well. What could be better?

Michelle, salivating... because drooling sounds so *sniff* common
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karen 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!


  I love that too. One of my favorite deliveries in all the movies from a
  character has to be his "Why - don't - you - proveit! (lip curl) beat
  (sniff)" from CoS. He is so perfect as Lucius.



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Michelle Chandler" <gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com>
  To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!


  > Thanks Karen! Loved Jason Isaacs bit about the Paris Hilton wig!
  >
  > Michelle

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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Tue Mar 14 23:00:07 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:00:07 -0500
Subject: DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <1142364824.9654.74824.m13@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1142364824.9654.74824.m13@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C815D22C1C7F51-4B4-5A2D@mblk-r18.sysops.aol.com>

Lise:
This message is addressed especially to canadian members...
  On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th minute, the picture freezes for 
a second (I thought it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD players and it 
does the same thing.)
  I exchanged my DVD, and the other one does the same thing.
  At the store, all the opened copies do the same thing (widescreen and 
fullscreen), and the salesman think that it's a defect of the product and 
suggested to me to contact Warner (who told me that it was normal because it was 
a long movie... oh yeah?).
  I would like to know if some of you have had that little problem also...
  Thanks!  -  Lise

 
Jade:
Heh...while I'm in the U.S., I'd like to answer you question. It's what I like to call "Defective Video Disk" (DVD). Looks to be a gobal effect. You will find it on most if not all DVDs. At some point, there will be a tiny freeze frame in the film no matter how many times you replace the disk with another. All the DVDs I have (and I have a variety from all over the place) have this little defect. So...not much you can do except maybe ask Warner about it, but I'm pretty sure they'll tell you the same thing.
 
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1. Get Up
2. Survive
3. Go Back To Bed


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Mar 15 06:25:44 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:25:44 EST
Subject: Just wondering
Message-ID: <20d.1448bdb1.31490d68@aol.com>

Nicole:
> Hey, everyone! I was just wondering if there are any interviews with 
> JK Rowling out there in which she shares her thoughts about movie 4?
> I remember reading her comments about POA, but don't recall reading 
> anything about her take on GOF. I hope she liked what she saw... I 
> know I did! :o)


To the best of my knowledge JKR has not yet seen the film. Her husband was 
sick when it premiered so she missed the premiere. In an interview she did not 
too long ago she stated she had not yet seen the movie. I was shocked by that. 
Granted, she certainly can't just go to the cinema like you are I could, but 
surely it could have been arranged for her to have a private screening. I would 
be most interested in hearing her opinion of the film.

Sandy







From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Mar 15 19:17:09 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:17:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Just wondering
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References: <1142449110.531.79399.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C8167C30B2AAA1-18F4-2DD7@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com>

>>To the best of my knowledge JKR has not yet seen the film. Her husband was 
sick when it premiered so she missed the premiere. In an interview she did not 
too long ago she stated she had not yet seen the movie. I was shocked by that. 
Granted, she certainly can't just go to the cinema like you are I could, but 
surely it could have been arranged for her to have a private screening. I would 
be most interested in hearing her opinion of the film.

Sandy<<
 
I don't know if she's seen it yet or not, but it COULD be (speculating here) if she's heavily involved in book 7, she doesn't want to be distracted from it by film 4.  That's possible.  But I agree, you'd think she'd want to see it.  I did read (on Leaky) that she's seen the script for OoP and liked it, so that's good, especially since they're using a different screen writer.  Ooooo, I wonder what differences we'll see with Kloves not doing the writing????  I was glad he got over his apparent "crush" on Hermione for GoF (in the first three, he gave her a lot of the boys' best lines, making the boys look like idiots at times!!  grrrr).
 
Lynda


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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Thu Mar 16 02:19:00 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:19:00 -0000
Subject: Just wondering
In-Reply-To: <8C8167C30B2AAA1-18F4-2DD7@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <dvahuk+mm26@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, artsylynda at ... wrote:
>
> >>To the best of my knowledge JKR has not yet seen the film. Her 
husband was 
> sick when it premiered so she missed the premiere. In an interview 
she did not 
> too long ago she stated she had not yet seen the movie. I was 
shocked by that. 
> Granted, she certainly can't just go to the cinema like you are I 
could, but 
> surely it could have been arranged for her to have a private 
screening. I would 
> be most interested in hearing her opinion of the film.
> 
> Sandy<<
>  
> I don't know if she's seen it yet or not, but it COULD be 
(speculating here) if she's heavily involved in book 7, she doesn't 
want to be distracted from it by film 4.  That's possible.  But I 
agree, you'd think she'd want to see it.  I did read (on Leaky) that 
she's seen the script for OoP and liked it, so that's good, 
especially since they're using a different screen writer.  Ooooo, I 
wonder what differences we'll see with Kloves not doing the 
writing????  I was glad he got over his apparent "crush" on Hermione 
for GoF (in the first three, he gave her a lot of the boys' best 
lines, making the boys look like idiots at times!!  grrrr).
>  
> Lynda
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I could have sworn that David Heyman said in an interview or other 
that they let Jo see it at a private screening and she said she liked 
it. I would like to have had a commentary from her on the DVD like on 
POA.

Theresa






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar 16 04:13:29 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (kchuplis)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 04:13:29 -0000
Subject: DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <20060314150930.63122.qmail@web31506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lise <hpfan1962 at ...> wrote:
>
> This message is addressed especially to canadian members...
>   On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th minute, the picture freezes for a 
second (I thought it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD players and it does the 
same thing.)
>   I exchanged my DVD, and the other one does the same thing.
>   At the store, all the opened copies do the same thing (widescreen and fullscreen), 
and the salesman think that it's a defect of the product and suggested to me to 
contact Warner (who told me that it was normal because it was a long movie... oh 
yeah?).
>   I would like to know if some of you have had that little problem also...
>   Thanks!  -  Lise
> 
> 
U.S. here, but it definitely does not happen on mine. I'd swear that is a defect unless 
it happens at a scene break. that's the only place I've ever seen freezes happen.







From sugarkadi at aol.com  Thu Mar 16 04:21:22 2006
From: sugarkadi at aol.com (sugarkadi at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 23:21:22 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] DVD question
Message-ID: <2f2.12c8e67.314a41c2@aol.com>

I was just wondering, now that Richard is gone from the list, is someone else 
going to do a shot-by-shot comparison of widescreen v. fullscreen for Goblet 
of Fire?  I always really liked looking at that.  thanks!
~Katey


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From hmkinney at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 06:16:22 2006
From: hmkinney at yahoo.com (Heather)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:16:22 -0000
Subject: DVD HP-GOF
In-Reply-To: <dvaol9+j4me@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvavrm+lvd9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "kchuplis" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Lise <hpfan1962@> wrote:
> >
> > This message is addressed especially to canadian members...
> >   On my DVD, at the 17th chapter, near the 78th minute, the 
picture freezes for a 
> second (I thought it was the DVD, but I tried it on many DVD 
players and it does the 
> same thing.)
> >   I exchanged my DVD, and the other one does the same thing.
> >   At the store, all the opened copies do the same thing 
(widescreen and fullscreen), 
> and the salesman think that it's a defect of the product and 
suggested to me to 
> contact Warner (who told me that it was normal because it was a 
long movie... oh 
> yeah?).
> >   I would like to know if some of you have had that little 
problem also...
> >   Thanks!  -  Lise
> > 
> > 
> U.S. here, but it definitely does not happen on mine. I'd swear 
that is a defect unless 
> it happens at a scene break. that's the only place I've ever seen 
freezes happen.
>

This occurs when the DVD is switching layers.  It is annoying, yes.  
And it is more pronounced on some DVD players than on others.  I 
think the only way to avoid it is to get a top of the line DVD 
player, and even then you aren't guaranteed that it can switch layers 
without freezing for a second.

Heather








From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar 16 12:15:00 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:15:00 -0000
Subject: DVD question
In-Reply-To: <2f2.12c8e67.314a41c2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dvbks4+c1ga@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, sugarkadi at ... wrote:
>
> I was just wondering, now that Richard is gone from the list, is 
someone else 
> going to do a shot-by-shot comparison of widescreen v. fullscreen 
for Goblet 
> of Fire?  I always really liked looking at that.  thanks!
> ~Katey
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Katey,
I think if you'll go back and search under Richard's name you'll find 
some comments he made maybe in Dec. about the various versions. I 
think he was very dismissive of fullscreen versions, said something to 
the effect that he couldn't understand why they even made 
the "fullscreen" versions anymore. I mentioned that some people get 
disctracted by the letterbox format so perhaps that's why the 
widescreen still has some level of support. 
Jen D. 
>








From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar 16 13:40:54 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:40:54 -0000
Subject: DVD question
In-Reply-To: <dvbks4+c1ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvbpt6+ngqa@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, sugarkadi@ wrote:
> >
> > I was just wondering, now that Richard is gone from the list, is 
> someone else 
> > going to do a shot-by-shot comparison of widescreen v. 
fullscreen 
> for Goblet 
> > of Fire?  I always really liked looking at that.  thanks!
> > ~Katey
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> Katey,
> If you'll go back and search under Richard's name you'll find 
> some comments he made maybe in Dec. about the various versions. I 
> think he was very dismissive of fullscreen versions, said 
something to 
> the effect that he couldn't understand why they even made 
> the "fullscreen" versions anymore. I mentioned that some people 
get 
> disctracted by the letterbox format so perhaps that's why the 
> widescreen still has some level of support. 
> Jen D. 
> >
>







From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 16 14:30:32 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:30:32 -0000
Subject: DVD question
In-Reply-To: <dvbks4+c1ga@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvbsq8+ejaq@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, sugarkadi@ wrote:
> >
> > I was just wondering, now that Richard is gone from the list, is 
> someone else 
> > going to do a shot-by-shot comparison of widescreen v. 
fullscreen 
> for Goblet 
> > of Fire?  I always really liked looking at that.  thanks!
> > ~Katey
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> Katey,
> I think if you'll go back and search under Richard's name you'll 
find 
> some comments he made maybe in Dec. about the various versions. I 
> think he was very dismissive of fullscreen versions, said 
something to 
> the effect that he couldn't understand why they even made 
> the "fullscreen" versions anymore. I mentioned that some people 
get 
> disctracted by the letterbox format so perhaps that's why the 
> widescreen still has some level of support. 
> Jen D. 
> >
>
Distracted? good word! Being a HUGE fan of the films, I purchased 
the special edition WS version of GOF the very day it hit the 
shelves, and totally enjoyed all the extra features on the 2nd disk. 
Then my daughter, hubby and I watched the actual movie on our large 
but standard screen TV and I went out at lunch the very next day to 
purchase the FS edition. The picture on the WS was half of what it 
is in FS since I don't have an HDTV, and the FS version is so large 
and glorious in comparison. OK, so you don't see as much on the 
sides, but after seeing GOF on IMAX more times than I'm willing to 
confess, I couldn't stand the WS version. I guess it all depends on 
the TV you have. Hubby jokingly admitted that it was cheaper to buy 
a second DVD than a new TV! Smart marketing move from WB, that... 
although I don't agree with it. I wonder how many other fans are now 
sitting at home with both versions! :o) 
Nicole    







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 16 18:24:24 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:24:24 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dv4keq+h9ml@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvcago+ns5a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333@> wrote:
> >
> > I too am glad the Hogwarts song was left out but some of the 
other 
> > scenes I liked. I really wish they had left in the Snape scene 
> that 
> > seemed important to me, especially since we only had a log on 
fire 
> > for Sirius. I was wholly disappointed to not have the cave scene 
> in 
> > the film. I think it would have made more sense if they had the 
> trio 
> > visit him in the cave and chat about the tournament and 
> > the "suspected death eaters". My hubby who has only seen the 
films 
> > told me afterwords that if our sons and I had not talked so much 
> > about what we wanted to see prior to the film and chatted about 
> what 
> > we liked in the film afterwords that he would not have 
understood 
> the 
> > fact that Karkaroff and Snape knew each other, had been death 
> eaters, 
> > Karkaroff rolled over on his fellow death eaters and Snape 
appears 
> to 
> > be a good guy working for Dumbledore (he knows about HBP because 
> we 
> > were aghast at the outcome). 
SNIP  
> 
> Hi there,
> I was reading your message when it struck me how very well all the 
> deleted scenes worked in the first 2 films. It seems they were cut 
> merely to get the film below a certain time limit. ABC Family 
shows 
> both SS/COS from time to time with all the deletes. I really enjoy 
> them. I can not say the same thing at all for the deletes from 
GOF. 
> They seem to be abrupt, with little to get us ready for them and 
not 
> much to add. Even Snape and Karkarov were not given in enough 
> context for a non-fan (your very courageous husband) to make their 
> conversation intelligible. That's the one thing that bothers me 
> about the films. As they get deeper and deeper into the story, 
they 
> become more and more obscure to a non-fan. It seems a given that a 
> film should hold together in and of itself. Our HP films have 
become 
> a lot more clubby than is comfortable for me. I realize that 
almost 
> everyone in the civilized world has heard of/read HP but it still 
> seems to violate the nature of a narrative to rely on having read 
> the books to make sense of the event. 
> Jen D. (quickly putting her hands over her head to sheild herself 
> from the blows from angry film-lovers)

And now Lauren:
Whoa, boy am I glad to be back.  My crazy work schedule and computer 
issues have kept me from my favorite yahoo group and now things seem 
a bit calmer and I an so excited to get back into these great 
discussions going on here!  

Jen D, don't cover your head, I agree with you on this.  I have to 
mention that my husband too was frustrated with many points in the 
newest film because he has not read any of the books.  We saw this 
film together 4 times (he is not a non-fan, you see, he just isn't 
much of a bookworm) and each time afterwards he would shower me with 
a barrage of questions.  But for PoA, we (as in my husband and I, 
because at the time that that film had come out, I hadn't read any 
of the books, either!) didn't feel so much "left out" as non-
readers.  Which is really interesting too, because it seems so many 
of the long-ago book readers disliked the film PoA immensely. I only 
finally decided to read the series after viewing PoA because I 
wanted to see what in the heck my friends, the long-ago readers, 
were griping about in the movie, and if I would agree with them for 
the newest installment, finally reading a book version before seeing 
the film.

I like the film GoF a lot.  I think it could've been my all-time 
favorite, if not for a few small changes I would've liked.  John 
Williams as composer, as I've mentioned many times before (BTW- did 
anyone think it curious that they used JW's compositions to narrate 
the special features on the GoF DVD?!), that unclearness about 
Snape's point that someone was stealing the ingredients for Polly 
Juice Potion (was he saying that Harry or Neville stole Gillyweed 
too?  Weird segway) (and BTW- did anyone feel that the line that 
Snape says as he slams the door in Harry's face was inserted post-
production?  It has a different quality of sound to his voice, and I 
wondered if originally he said something else there, but they 
decided to edit it.  Anyone else catch that?).  I don't really care 
for the Bauxbatons and Durmstrang's entrances, though once I saw the 
special features I realized all three schools had a chance 
to "display their talents" and THANK GAWD we didn't really have to 
sit through Hogwarts dreadful song.  They never did set Fleur up as 
part Veela, did they?  I guess they won't even get into that. I 
would've LOVED to have seen more of the QWC (maybe not so much the 
Quidditch, but Harry & Ron being mesmerized by the Veelas sounded 
hysterical).  And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed 
over a bit.  Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.  I sure hope 
so!!






From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar 16 20:44:22 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:44:22 -0000
Subject: DVD question
In-Reply-To: <dvbsq8+ejaq@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvcin6+q7mg@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, sugarkadi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just wondering, now that Richard is gone from the list, 
is 
> > someone else 
> > > going to do a shot-by-shot comparison of widescreen v. 
> fullscreen 
> > for Goblet 
> > > of Fire?  I always really liked looking at that.  thanks!
> > > ~Katey
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > Katey,
> > I think if you'll go back and search under Richard's name you'll 
> find 
> > some comments he made maybe in Dec. about the various versions. 
I 
> > think he was very dismissive of fullscreen versions, said 
> something to 
> > the effect that he couldn't understand why they even made 
> > the "fullscreen" versions anymore. I mentioned that some people 
> get 
> > disctracted by the letterbox format so perhaps that's why the 
> > widescreen still has some level of support. 
> > Jen D. 
> > >
> >
> Distracted? good word! Being a HUGE fan of the films, I purchased 
> the special edition WS version of GOF the very day it hit the 
> shelves, and totally enjoyed all the extra features on the 2nd 
disk. 
> Then my daughter, hubby and I watched the actual movie on our 
large 
> but standard screen TV and I went out at lunch the very next day 
to 
> purchase the FS edition. The picture on the WS was half of what it 
> is in FS since I don't have an HDTV, and the FS version is so 
large 
> and glorious in comparison. OK, so you don't see as much on the 
> sides, but after seeing GOF on IMAX more times than I'm willing to 
> confess, I couldn't stand the WS version. I guess it all depends 
on 
> the TV you have. Hubby jokingly admitted that it was cheaper to 
buy 
> a second DVD than a new TV! Smart marketing move from WB, that... 
> although I don't agree with it. I wonder how many other fans are 
now 
> sitting at home with both versions! :o) 
> Nicole
>

Well, 
That's good to hear, that you do enjoy the fs edition. I guess I 
wasn't too off the mark! We have a tv that can do several aspects 
and I must admit, I can't decide which way is the best. Sometimes 
the ws aspect just doesn't look right. And yes, having seen GOF in 
IMAX, nothing else really does the film justice. It ruined me. I 
would have seen it a lot more in IMAX but I ran out of funding for 
my habit...
Jen D.







From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Mar 17 08:44:23 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:44:23 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Shorthand in Film
Message-ID: <295.7770c7f.314bd0e7@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/14/06 2:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

   Jen wrote:

> Hi there,
> I was reading your message when it struck me how very well all the 
> deleted scenes worked in the first 2 films. It seems they were cut 
> merely to get the film below a certain time limit. ABC Family shows 
> both SS/COS from time to time with all the deletes. I really enjoy 
> them.

  Sandy responds:

    I taped the two movies with the deleted scenes restored off the Family 
Channel, back-to-back on the same tape and, despite having them both on DVD, it 
is the tape that I watch. It's in right now as a matter of fact. 
       
       Jen wrote:

> I can not say the same thing at all for the deletes from GOF. 
> They seem to be abrupt, with little to get us ready for them and not 
> much to add. 

   Sandy responds:

I felt this way about the entire GOF movie. I felt the film abruptly jumped 
from scene to scene with no arcs in-between. When I went to see the movie in 
the theater I was struck by the fact that I had already seen most of it via the 
clips that had been released prior to the film, and that they had simply been 
strung together. To be honest, I was very disappointed with the movie. The 
special effects and graveyard scene are awesome, but as a whole, the film fell 
way below my expectations. I still can not say  with complete honesty that I 
like it. I don't hate it, and I paid $27 last week for the two-disc special 
edition, but it is certainly my least favorite so far. I think the special features 
disc is better than the movie.



> 
> Jen D. (quickly putting her hands over her head to sheild herself 
> from the blows from angry film-lovers)
> >
> 
> Sandy (who is getting ready to crawl under the coffee table to protect 
> myself from the stone throwing)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Mar 17 09:03:55 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 04:03:55 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1435
Message-ID: <2d7.48cb200.314bd57b@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/14/06 2:34:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


> In almost all my DVD's there is sometimes a freeze
> > > between "chapters". It's
> > > usually brief and doesn't disturb me.
> > >
> >
> > But it happened at least twice, and right in the
> > middle of a scene, and in fact in the middle of a line
> > of dialog in one case.  I don't think that it would
> > have taken 3 VHS tapes for a 2.5 hour movie.  I found
> > it distracting and annoying.  I can live with it if I
> > have to, but I'm not happy about it.
> >
> > Sue,
> > grumpy in Columbus OH
> 

My DVD is doing the exact same thing as yours is, Sue. I was worried my 
player was acting up. They must have manufactured a batch of defective discs. 

Sandy, in Cincinnati OH


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Mar 17 11:16:54 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:16:54 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1438
Message-ID: <2c8.5816fe2.314bf4a6@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:


> I couldn't stand the WS version. I guess it all depends on 
> the TV you have. Hubby jokingly admitted that it was cheaper to buy 
> a second DVD than a new TV! Smart marketing move from WB, that... 
> although I don't agree with it. I wonder how many other fans are now 
> sitting at home with both versions! :o) 
> Nicole    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

I'm one of them. I, too, bought the two-disc special edition, but I hate 
widescreen so I had to get the fullscreen disc too. I am really pissed at the way 
WB is marketing this movie. If it isn't bad enough that the two-disc set costs 
so much more than the single disc, you can't even choose which format you 
want it in. The first three movies were the two disc sets in your choice of full 
or wide screen and they cost twenty bucks. Now you pay $20 for a single disc 
and my special edition set cost $25 before tax and I went through hell finding 
it close to where I live and work. The single disc was no problem, we sell it 
where I work. I love any and everything Harry Potter but I am starting to get 
really put-out at what it is costing. There was no question, though, that I 
would buy the special edition, and I think that the special features disc is the 
best one yet, although I wish they would have included more of the deleted 
scenes, or at least better ones than they did.

Sandy


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Fri Mar 17 11:53:53 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:53:53 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
Message-ID: <32d.148f9f.314bfd51@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

     Lauren wrote:


> I like the film GoF a lot.  I think it could've been my all-time 
> favorite, if not for a few small changes I would've liked.  John 
> Williams as composer, as I've mentioned many times before (BTW- did 
> anyone think it curious that they used JW's compositions to narrate 
> the special features on the GoF DVD?!), that unclearness about 
> Snape's point that someone was stealing the ingredients for Polly 
> Juice Potion (was he saying that Harry or Neville stole Gillyweed 
> too?  Weird segway) (and BTW- did anyone feel that the line that 
> Snape says as he slams the door in Harry's face was inserted post-
> production?  It has a different quality of sound to his voice, and I 
> wondered if originally he said something else there, but they 
> decided to edit it.  Anyone else catch that?).  I don't really care 
> for the Bauxbatons and Durmstrang's entrances, though once I saw the 
> special features I realized all three schools had a chance 
> to "display their talents" and THANK GAWD we didn't really have to 
> sit through Hogwarts dreadful song.  They never did set Fleur up as 
> part Veela, did they?  I guess they won't even get into that. 

     Sandy responds:
First off, I am new to the HPFGU lists and am trying very hard to get used to 
the protocol. I love the lists but the rules can be overwhelming, and I just 
sent a post off without the proper heading. I'm hoping, too, that this is only 
my third post and not fourth. Bear with me elves, I'm trying. At any rate, a 
few responses to Lauren'e post. I have already said that GOF is my least 
favorite movie. I really missed John Williams score. I felt the least they could 
have done was stick with the opening theme music. I have the soundtrack from SS 
and listen to it constantly. I just love it. I will agree with you about the 
Beauxbaton entrance but I loved the Durmstrang entrance. I really liked the 
music, loved it when the sparks flew when they hit the floor with their sticks, 
and thought the ring of fire was awesome. I agree with you too, THANK GAWD we 
didn't have to listen to the Hogwarts song OR the entire version of "Do the 
Hippogriff". As for Fleur: Clemence Posey was all wrong. I stated on another list 
that the girl who will be playing Luna would have made a much better Fleur. 
On the other hand, I thought Stan was perfect as Krum. There are many things 
about the movie that I like, but as a whole I was very disappointed with it. 

Out of curiosity, what did you all think of the way they showed Sirius? What 
was up with his face being embedded in the coals? If he hadn't been in the 
credits I would never have known that was Gary Oldman. Why didn't they show his 
face in the fireplace surrounded by green flames? I have said jokingly that it 
is no wonder Gary Oldman hasn't signed to do Phoenix yet considering the 
pathetic, dismal way they used him in GOF.

Sandy (who hopefully did it right this time and has had her three posts for 
today)


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From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Mar 17 15:08:23 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:23 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
In-Reply-To: <32d.148f9f.314bfd51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dvejd7+r1da@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>Snipped> 
>      Sandy responds:
> First off, I am new to the HPFGU lists and am trying very hard to 
get used to 
> the protocol. I love the lists but the rules can be overwhelming, 
and I just 
> sent a post off without the proper heading. I'm hoping, too, that 
this is only 
> my third post and not fourth. Bear with me elves, I'm trying. At 
any rate, a 
> few responses to Lauren'e post. I have already said that GOF is my 
least 
> favorite movie. I really missed John Williams score. I felt the 
least they could 
> have done was stick with the opening theme music. I have the 
soundtrack from SS 
> and listen to it constantly. I just love it. I will agree with you 
about the 
> Beauxbaton entrance but I loved the Durmstrang entrance. I really 
liked the 
> music, loved it when the sparks flew when they hit the floor with 
their sticks, 
> and thought the ring of fire was awesome. I agree with you too, 
THANK GAWD we 
> didn't have to listen to the Hogwarts song OR the entire version 
of "Do the 
> Hippogriff". As for Fleur: Clemence Posey was all wrong. I stated 
on another list 
> that the girl who will be playing Luna would have made a much 
better Fleur. 
> On the other hand, I thought Stan was perfect as Krum. There are 
many things 
> about the movie that I like, but as a whole I was very 
disappointed with it. 
> 
> Out of curiosity, what did you all think of the way they showed 
Sirius? What 
> was up with his face being embedded in the coals? If he hadn't 
been in the 
> credits I would never have known that was Gary Oldman. Why didn't 
they show his 
> face in the fireplace surrounded by green flames? I have said 
jokingly that it 
> is no wonder Gary Oldman hasn't signed to do Phoenix yet 
considering the 
> pathetic, dismal way they used him in GOF.
> 
> Sandy (who hopefully did it right this time and has had her three 
posts for 
> today)
> 
>Hi Sandy,
Welcome to the list. Don't worry too much about following all the 
rules. The elves are pretty cool and really just want to make the 
list a welcoming place. You'll be fine!

First, I think I had my real disillusionment with the films after 
seeing POA. All over this list people were saying how wonderful, how 
imaginative it was. I was left feeling like I hadn't seen the same 
movie. I have made effort to get my head into it and I am not 
thrilled with the film but I do see the artistry and creativity in 
it. My main problem was and remains that the director didn't use the 
source very much at all it seems. He took the idea of the story and 
seemed to build his own idea of Harry to the point that it had very 
little to do with the Harry I knew. I bring this up because I think 
coming to terms with how the movies are made is an important step in 
enjoying MovieHarry. 

First, Sandy, say to yourself, there are two Harrys. The Harry from 
the book and the Harry up there on the screen. There are two worlds 
too. The WW in the book is a lot more fun than the one on the screen 
because we get to see so much of it. And it makes more sense. You 
get to read about the effect of the velas on Harry and Ron! You get 
to read about Harry meeting Sirius, Sirius' hands on Harry's 
shoulders as he tells them about seeing LV rise again. Molly's hug. 
Many many wonderful moments you will never get to see on screen 
because time is the enemy of film. So, I am serious, once this fact 
becomes settled to you, then I know you can enjoy GOF for what it 
is. In any adaptation, compromises must be made. Why not John 
Williams, I don't know either. But story choices were made and I 
think they are not accidental. Calculated might be too stong a word, 
but this is Warner Bro. we are talking about so I am not going to 
rule it out. Those of us who are excited about GOF know it didn't 
come close to the book, but as an HP movie, it came closer to the 
spirit of Harry. Rant, make lists, ask rhetorical questions 
like "why did they do that goofy coal-face?" and all. We can take 
it. But at the end of the day, try to put the book out of your mind 
and probably the first 3 movies and see what there is to enjoy about 
the product they actually gave us. That's the best advice I can give 
you! Again, welcome to the list!
Jen D.







From rkdas at charter.net  Fri Mar 17 15:08:11 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:11 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
In-Reply-To: <32d.148f9f.314bfd51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dvejcr+fh0m@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>Snipped> 
>      Sandy responds:
> First off, I am new to the HPFGU lists and am trying very hard to 
get used to 
> the protocol. I love the lists but the rules can be overwhelming, 
and I just 
> sent a post off without the proper heading. I'm hoping, too, that 
this is only 
> my third post and not fourth. Bear with me elves, I'm trying. At 
any rate, a 
> few responses to Lauren'e post. I have already said that GOF is my 
least 
> favorite movie. I really missed John Williams score. I felt the 
least they could 
> have done was stick with the opening theme music. I have the 
soundtrack from SS 
> and listen to it constantly. I just love it. I will agree with you 
about the 
> Beauxbaton entrance but I loved the Durmstrang entrance. I really 
liked the 
> music, loved it when the sparks flew when they hit the floor with 
their sticks, 
> and thought the ring of fire was awesome. I agree with you too, 
THANK GAWD we 
> didn't have to listen to the Hogwarts song OR the entire version 
of "Do the 
> Hippogriff". As for Fleur: Clemence Posey was all wrong. I stated 
on another list 
> that the girl who will be playing Luna would have made a much 
better Fleur. 
> On the other hand, I thought Stan was perfect as Krum. There are 
many things 
> about the movie that I like, but as a whole I was very 
disappointed with it. 
> 
> Out of curiosity, what did you all think of the way they showed 
Sirius? What 
> was up with his face being embedded in the coals? If he hadn't 
been in the 
> credits I would never have known that was Gary Oldman. Why didn't 
they show his 
> face in the fireplace surrounded by green flames? I have said 
jokingly that it 
> is no wonder Gary Oldman hasn't signed to do Phoenix yet 
considering the 
> pathetic, dismal way they used him in GOF.
> 
> Sandy (who hopefully did it right this time and has had her three 
posts for 
> today)
> 
>Hi Sandy,
Welcome to the list. Don't worry too much about following all the 
rules. The elves are pretty cool and really just want to make the 
list a welcoming place. You'll be fine!

First, I think I had my real disillusionment with the films after 
seeing POA. All over this list people were saying how wonderful, how 
imaginative it was. I was left feeling like I hadn't seen the same 
movie. I have made effort to get my head into it and I am not 
thrilled with the film but I do see the artistry and creativity in 
it. My main problem was and remains that the director didn't use the 
source very much at all it seems. He took the idea of the story and 
seemed to build his own idea of Harry to the point that it had very 
little to do with the Harry I knew. I bring this up because I think 
coming to terms with how the movies are made is an important step in 
enjoying MovieHarry. 

First, Sandy, say to yourself, there are two Harrys. The Harry from 
the book and the Harry up there on the screen. There are two worlds 
too. The WW in the book is a lot more fun than the one on the screen 
because we get to see so much of it. And it makes more sense. You 
get to read about the effect of the velas on Harry and Ron! You get 
to read about Harry meeting Sirius, Sirius' hands on Harry's 
shoulders as he tells them about seeing LV rise again. Molly's hug. 
Many many wonderful moments you will never get to see on screen 
because time is the enemy of film. So, I am serious, once this fact 
becomes settled to you, then I know you can enjoy GOF for what it 
is. In any adaptation, compromises must be made. Why not John 
Williams, I don't know either. But story choices were made and I 
think they are not accidental. Calculated might be too stong a word, 
but this is Warner Bro. we are talking about so I am not going to 
rule it out. Those of us who are excited about GOF know it didn't 
come close to the book, but as an HP movie, it came closer to the 
spirit of Harry. Rant, make lists, ask rhetorical questions 
like "why did they do that goofy coal-face?" and all. We can take 
it. But at the end of the day, try to put the book out of your mind 
and probably the first 3 movies and see what there is to enjoy about 
the product they actually gave us. That's the best advice I can give 
you! Again, welcome to the list!
Jen D.






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 19:07:28 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:07:28 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
In-Reply-To: <32d.148f9f.314bfd51@aol.com>
Message-ID: <dvf1dg+bf4a@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/16/06 3:11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:
> 
>      Lauren wrote:
> 
> 
> > I like the film GoF a lot.  I think it could've been my all-time 
> > favorite, if not for a few small changes I would've liked.  John 
> > Williams as composer, as I've mentioned many times before (BTW- 
did 
> > anyone think it curious that they used JW's compositions to 
narrate 
> > the special features on the GoF DVD?!), that unclearness about 
> > Snape's point that someone was stealing the ingredients for 
Polly 
> > Juice Potion (was he saying that Harry or Neville stole 
Gillyweed 
> > too?  Weird segway) (and BTW- did anyone feel that the line that 
> > Snape says as he slams the door in Harry's face was inserted 
post-
> > production?  It has a different quality of sound to his voice, 
and I 
> > wondered if originally he said something else there, but they 
> > decided to edit it.  Anyone else catch that?).  I don't really 
care 
> > for the Bauxbatons and Durmstrang's entrances, though once I saw 
the 
> > special features I realized all three schools had a chance 
> > to "display their talents" and THANK GAWD we didn't really have 
to 
> > sit through Hogwarts dreadful song.  They never did set Fleur up 
as 
> > part Veela, did they?  I guess they won't even get into that. 
> 
>      Sandy responds:
> SNIP 

 I have already said that GOF is my least 
> favorite movie. I really missed John Williams score. I felt the 
least they could 
> have done was stick with the opening theme music. I have the 
soundtrack from SS 
> and listen to it constantly. I just love it. I will agree with you 
about the 
> Beauxbaton entrance but I loved the Durmstrang entrance. I really 
liked the 
> music, loved it when the sparks flew when they hit the floor with 
their sticks, 
> and thought the ring of fire was awesome. I agree with you too, 
THANK GAWD we 
> didn't have to listen to the Hogwarts song OR the entire version 
of "Do the 
> Hippogriff". As for Fleur: Clemence Posey was all wrong. I stated 
on another list 
> that the girl who will be playing Luna would have made a much 
better Fleur. 
> On the other hand, I thought Stan was perfect as Krum. There are 
many things 
> about the movie that I like, but as a whole I was very 
disappointed with it. 
> 
> Out of curiosity, what did you all think of the way they showed 
Sirius? What 
> was up with his face being embedded in the coals? If he hadn't 
been in the 
> credits I would never have known that was Gary Oldman. Why didn't 
they show his 
> face in the fireplace surrounded by green flames? I have said 
jokingly that it 
> is no wonder Gary Oldman hasn't signed to do Phoenix yet 
considering the 
> pathetic, dismal way they used him in GOF.
> 
> Sandy (who hopefully did it right this time and has had her three 
posts for 
> today)
 
And now Lauren:

I'd also like to welcome you, Sandy, to the group!  I hope you like 
it around here!  

My husband got really jazzed about Durmstrang's entrance as well.  
It did have a WOW factor with the ring of fire, but I feel it was 
kinda "show-offy".  I mean, if I was a student at Hogwarts, I might 
be rolling my eyes at such a thing.  And the Beauxbatons- PUH-
leeze.  What the heck is up with that weird <<sigh>> ing and the 
blue bird/butterfly-things?  I could only tolerate it long enough 
for Ron's exclaimation whilst looking at the girls bottoms! (Which 
of course gave me a chuckle).

And I second your thoughts on "Do the Hippogriff".  The scene in the 
film was just enough for me, thank you very much.

As for the Gary Oldman=pile of embers feature, I think someone had 
said once that they felt that since this film had such a ginormous 
budget, they had get the most out of it by maxing out their CGI 
features.  I agree that it wasn't what I expected (I thought it 
would be like you described, like it was described in the book), but 
I was sort of entranced by this effect.  By the third time I had 
watched the film on the big screen, I could find myself not so much 
paying attention to what Sirius was saying, but I was watching how 
the embers just seemed to move ever so slightly, as if he was just 
pressing his face against the underside.  Though I did miss seeing 
Sirius' face, as it was hard to read him for any emotion towards 
Harry during such an important conversation, I thought it was quite 
well done, from an effects point of view.

Alot of folks have been expressing a sort of displeasure with the 
DVD for many reasons.  I have actually been really happy with my 
DVD, and watching it on my average (not HDTV, not LCD, not Plasma or 
any other thing) 36" screen in the widescreen version.  The dual-
layer of the DVD makes the film so crisp- the colors are so vivid, 
something that I actually missed in the cinemas.  I even saw it in 
IMAX!  I daresay it's even brighter... the repeating dream sequence 
with Harry coming up the stairs to the room where LV, Barty & 
Wormtail are waiting, I can see so much more.  In the theatre it was 
all so dark, I felt like I couldn't see the difference between the 
walls and the floor.  And the one time I noticed the 'switching 
layers' glitch really didn't bug me at all.    








From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 19:32:10 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:32:10 -0000
Subject: The image of Harry
Message-ID: <dvf2rq+j1bu@eGroups.com>

So, I've been really curious what Harry's "look" is going to be for 
this next film.  It seems that the stylists for the films choose a 
theme for each character, and make them dress the part.  It reflects 

In SS, Harry was just a little boy being introduced to the WW, so 
they made him this innocent looking kid with the bowl hair cut.  I 
thought this was interesting, because the book described him as 
always having messy hair.  But I guess his clothes were pretty 
shabby & bland looking, so maybe they didn't want him to look TOO 
unkempt, so they let the boy comb his hair.

In CoS, Harry has already been established in his new WW 
environment, and they make him look like just another student at 
Hogwarts.  I don't think there is anything that makes him stand out 
here, look wise.  No matter, it's all the adventures that Harry has 
that makes him stand out from the rest of the students this year!

In PoA, Harry is finally a teenager.  And his look reflects it.  He 
wears casual clothes more often, his hair is stylish for the time.  
The other kids are seen wearing clothes other than the school 
uniform more often as well.  This is because this movie spends more 
time showing us what the kids are doing when they aren't in classes 
or in-between classes.  They get to explore Hogsmeade.  I have also 
mentioned previously that there is definitely a theme here that I 
can't figure out... Harry always seems to wear gray or Navy blue, 
Ron wears Red, and Hermione wears pink.  I'm not sure if this is 
just a coincedence or if there is a deeper meaning to this.

In GoF, Harry is a little more older.  He's got a lot of 
responsibility on his shoulders, being in the TWT and finding a date 
for the Yule Ball, and oh yeah, facing LV head on.  It also just 
happens that he's got a lot of hair on his shoulders too!  I think 
the stylists were trying to make Harry a bit more 'rugged'- he was 
going to have to get dirty in these tasks, and maybe Harry didn't 
have enough time for a haircut?  He spends a lot of time wearing his 
'sport clothes' for the competition too.

And next there's OoTP.  Dan's hair is cut shorter.  In recent photos 
he looks "clean-cut" even, a pretty stark contrast to his look in 
the past film.  (Of course these were not movie photos, so I have no 
idea what his costume is).  What do you all think his look should be 
in this film, given the new obstacles he faces?  

Lauren






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 17 19:45:54 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:45:54 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The image of Harry
References: <dvf2rq+j1bu@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000601c649fb$6717cdb0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com>
>
> In SS, Harry was just a little boy being introduced to the WW, so
> they made him this innocent looking kid with the bowl hair cut.  I
> thought this was interesting, because the book described him as
> always having messy hair.  But I guess his clothes were pretty
> shabby & bland looking, so maybe they didn't want him to look TOO
> unkempt, so they let the boy comb his hair.
>
kchuplis:
I read somewhere where they simply couldn't get it to mess at all in the
first  movie. They would try and it would just fall back all smooth. My hair
is like that.You can put two dozen products in it and it falls in an hour or
two. Now there are products I can actually work with but with baby fine kids
hair I believe it. I suppose they didn't want to wig him and just gave up. I
am curious too what they do with the kids "look". It really should stay the
same, I would hope. I've noticed they have Harry in grey a lot too.





From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 17 20:47:55 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:47:55 -0000
Subject: Notes on character portrayal
In-Reply-To: <9CC36108-AFD8-11DA-BE6F-000393B04DDE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <dvf79r+8kt9@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> There are many things that go into successfully creating a 
character. 
> In Potterverse, moving from page to screen, there is a challenge 
to 
> many of the actors in not becoming a cartoon representation, 
> particularly with certain characters. IMO, there are a few real 
> standouts in the HP cast, and perhaps the single most important 
acting 
> element that makes these portrayals an uncontested success is the 
> ability to deliver the dialogue, to find the character's voice.
> 
> Two particular favorites of mine are Snape and Hagrid.
> 
> Snape's introductory speech is one such example. Speaking of 
potions, 
> he is able to caress each phrase - make them sing. It's almost a 
croon 
> (which helped me imagine his healing of Draco in Book 6 easily). 
> Therefore, when he addresses Harry the first time, his use of 
staccato 
> bitten off phrases automatically "pop" and the viewer, even never 
> having read the books would pick up on a psychological imperative 
> between Snape and Harry. The manner of his speech - not just the 
tone 
> but the physical sounds- cue us to the fact that addressing "our 
new 
> ceelbrity" is akin to having his teeth pulled. Another favorite 
line of 
> his for me is in PoA when Snape encounters Lupin after he has 
cornered 
> Harry with the Maurader's map in the hall. We hear a similar 
staccato, 
> bitten off phrase "Lu-pin" snapped off. And then "Out for a little 
> walk...in the moonlight."  There is an added layer just in the 
manner 
> that he delivers this. The slight stresses on Lupin and moonlight 
add 
> the smallest touch of mockery; popping the "p" in Lupin and 
extending 
> the "ooo" in moonlight. So, we who know the books well know why, 
but 
> even without this, after that one small phrase anyone viewing and 
> listening is left with a slightly uncomfortable feeling of having 
just 
> witnessed, as an outsider, a jibe between two people with a 
history.

SNIP SNIP....

> 
> Well, this has become a novel but I was just thinking about how 
skilled 
> these actors are and how they have helped to make the movies more 
> fulfilling than they might have been if they were just wrote 
deliveries 
> of the books on celluloid. I think this goes across the board for 
the 
> eccentric characters; Lockhart, McGonnagall, Trelawney and Mad-Eye 
also 
> deserve special mention. I simply love their line delivery!
>

And now Lauren:
First of all, it KILLS me to snips any of this because this post is 
beautiful.  Karen, I LOVE THIS!  To anyone reading this, if you 
haven't read Karen's original post, I beg you to please read post 
#12438.  You won't regret it!

This was such a great point, and really screams aloud how lucky *we* 
are to have such talent in these films.  This series could so easily 
be passed off as children's fodder and be watered down with sub-
standard plots and characters and actors.  I think this franchise 
knows in its heart how many adults are vested in this story.  Though 
we all have our gripes with little things here and there in these 
films, it's really because of the high level of entertainment we 
receive that the movie fans stay movie fans of this series.

I would like to add to Karen's list Rita Skeeter's character- she 
was so perfectly nasty!








From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 17 21:33:55 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:33:55 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Notes on character portrayal
References: <dvf79r+8kt9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000701c64a0a$7e35c7e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley"

Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Notes on character portrayal

> I would like to add to Karen's list Rita Skeeter's character- she
> was so perfectly nasty!

kchuplis:
I loved her character. Everything said with a purrrrr.... Miranda Richardson
was able to communicate to better effect with her eyebrows and overall body
language than anyone I think I have seen in the Potter films. I also enjoyed
the entire kind of archaic presentation she had that seemed to hark back a
bit to the old "hard bitten girl reporter"; a kind of Wizarding World,
British, Dorothy Parker. Her outfits (even the dragon scaled one) were
modeled off of the old women's suits of the golded era, as was her coif. But
it was all slightly fudged to this fantasy/non-established modern look too,
especially when combined with her photographer who looked like some gaffer
they pulled off the set! I loved it.





From rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 18 00:00:29 2006
From: rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com (Robin)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:00:29 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
References: <dvf1dg+bf4a@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002301c64a1e$f85ac390$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>

Sandy:
> Out of curiosity, what did you all think of the way they showed 
Sirius? What 
> was up with his face being embedded in the coals? If he hadn't 
been in the 
> credits I would never have known that was Gary Oldman. Why didn't 
they show his 
> face in the fireplace surrounded by green flames? I have said 
jokingly that it 
> is no wonder Gary Oldman hasn't signed to do Phoenix yet 
considering the 
> pathetic, dismal way they used him in GOF.

Me - Robin:
I'm new here, joined last week maybe and have been reading everyones posts.  Please let me know if I'm not doing this right.  Anyway, I would have loved to have seen more Sirius in the movie, but I can understand that they had to cut quite a bit out.  What I don't get is how Gary Oldman's name could be before many of the others in the movie that are actually IN the movie for more than a couple minutes.  I can't remember where his name was in the credits right off hand, but there were others listed after him that had much bigger parts.  How do they do the credits?  I know that Daniel, Rupert, and Emma get first digs at the beginning of the credits, but after that?


Sandy:
>>>Alot of folks have been expressing a sort of displeasure with the 
DVD for many reasons.  I have actually been really happy with my 
DVD, and watching it on my average (not HDTV, not LCD, not Plasma or 
any other thing) 36" screen in the widescreen version.  The dual-
layer of the DVD makes the film so crisp- the colors are so vivid, 
something that I actually missed in the cinemas.  I even saw it in 
IMAX!  I daresay it's even brighter... the repeating dream sequence 
with Harry coming up the stairs to the room where LV, Barty & 
Wormtail are waiting, I can see so much more.  In the theatre it was 
all so dark, I felt like I couldn't see the difference between the 
walls and the floor.  And the one time I noticed the 'switching 
layers' glitch really didn't bug me at all. >>>

Robin:  
I've been reading about this glitch since I've been here and thought I would put my 2 cents in.  I got the special edition 2-disc set, and yes, there is a slight pause once in the movie.  I'm thinking, right off the top of my head, it was in the middle of a scene with Flitwick in it.  It annoyed me at first, but the more I watch it, the more I get used to it. It's not really a huge deal. 

Robin (who has enjoyed reading everyone's comments.)



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From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 18 01:45:18 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:45:18 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
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After the first few, the rest of the cast were listed in alphabetical order.

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robin 

  I'm new here, joined last week maybe and have been reading everyones posts.  Please let me know if I'm not doing this right.  Anyway, I would have loved to have seen more Sirius in the movie, but I can understand that they had to cut quite a bit out.  What I don't get is how Gary Oldman's name could be before many of the others in the movie that are actually IN the movie for more than a couple minutes.  I can't remember where his name was in the credits right off hand, but there were others listed after him that had much bigger parts.  How do they do the credits?  I know that Daniel, Rupert, and Emma get first digs at the beginning of the credits, but after that?

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From rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com  Sat Mar 18 02:38:53 2006
From: rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com (Robin)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:38:53 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF credits (was: shorthand in Film)
References: <dvf1dg+bf4a@eGroups.com> <002301c64a1e$f85ac390$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5> <079601c64a2d$9d377940$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>
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Ok, I went back to check. Two lists of alphabetical order actually.

Credits went as follows:

Daniel Radcliffe
Rupert Grint
Emma Watson 
    [obviously these three were first]
Robbie Coltrane
Ralph Fiennes
Michael Gambon
Benden Gleason
Jason Issacs
Gary Oldman
Miranda Richardson
Alan Rickman
Maggie Smith
Timothy Spall
    [These appear to be most of the adults in the movie]
Frances Del la Tour (Maxime)
Pedja Bjelac (Karkaroff)
    [Heads of the other two houses but not alphabetical - Del la Tour doesn't come before Bjelac)
David Bradley
Warwick Davis
Tom Felton
Robert Hardy
Shirley Henderson
Roger Lloyd Pack
Mark Williams
    [others in alphabetical order - kids and adults]
Stanislav Ianevski
Robert Pattinson
Cl?mence Po?sy
    [other 3 triwizard champions]

To me that couple minutes of Gary Oldman in the fire doesn't fit up there with the other adults when you see more screen time of the others that are listed in the second alphabetical list.  Actually, there are some that aren't even on this list that you see more of in the movie (ie: the Phelps twins, Bonnie Wright, Matthew Lewis, Devon Murray, or Katie Leung - although they do show up in later credits so at least they didn't forget them altogether.)

Hmmm, I guess I would do things differently if it were me; but hey, it's not. LOL!

Robin 
  ----- Original Message ----- 


  After the first few, the rest of the cast were listed in alphabetical order.

  Michelle
  Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Robin 

    I'm new here, joined last week maybe and have been reading everyones posts.  Please let me know if I'm not doing this right.  Anyway, I would have loved to have seen more Sirius in the movie, but I can understand that they had to cut quite a bit out.  What I don't get is how Gary Oldman's name could be before many of the others in the movie that are actually IN the movie for more than a couple minutes.  I can't remember where his name was in the credits right off hand, but there were others listed after him that had much bigger parts.  How do they do the credits?  I know that Daniel, Rupert, and Emma get first digs at the beginning of the credits, but after that?


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 04:22:29 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:22:29 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Flitwick - Hitler?
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>  Hi Karen,
>  I can't speak for Lizzie but alot of people really find his "Hitler"
>  look quite repulsive. Cuaron intoduced the new Flitwick look and
>  therefore has "alot to answer for."

I personally thought Barty Crouch looked rather Hilter-like!
Loved his bizarre hand mannerisms though. Interesting. I don't recall 
that being a trait in the books. Also, I do not believe that Crouch Jr. 
had that snake tongue habit in the books, did he? Perhaps that was the 
director's way of subtly divulging to the audience that Moody was Jr?  
'Course this works much better on film than in print.
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 04:29:22 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:29:22 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] TriWizard Cup treatment
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<snip>And in the maze, don't get me started. No skills needed, just a
>  big scary funhouse that, as always, none of the crowd can see? What
>  on earth was the point of that?
>  ? Thanks for letting me vent. I will wipe the froth off my chin and
>  get on with my life now.
>
>  Florence
>
Yes, truly. JKR's books are so good with such great detail...I can see 
how they would need to be trimmed to make a 2 hour movie. But why 
fabricate the plot when the original is so good???
What was wrong with the skrewts? Would it have taken that long to have 
a little segment with Hagrid teaching the kids about the nasty skrewts? 
The sphinx? She would've been a cool CG animal. And it made it more of 
a mental game than running away from the chasing mazes and grabbing 
roots. Did they think the younger audience wouldn't have gotten the 
Sphinx riddle or what?
It sounded (on the DVD extras) that the maze was quite labor intensive 
to create. I think it would've been much less trouble had they stuck 
with the original plot.
Valerie


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 18 04:32:21 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:32:21 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Flitwick - Hitler?
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On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

>>  Hi Karen,
>>  I can't speak for Lizzie but alot of people really find his "Hitler"
>>  look quite repulsive. Cuaron intoduced the new Flitwick look and
>>  therefore has "alot to answer for."
>
> I personally thought Barty Crouch looked rather Hilter-like!
> Loved his bizarre hand mannerisms though. Interesting. I don't recall
> that being a trait in the books. Also, I do not believe that Crouch Jr.
> had that snake tongue habit in the books, did he? Perhaps that was the
> director's way of subtly divulging to the audience that Moody was Jr?
> 'Course this works much better on film than in print.
> Valerie

kchuplis:
Barty Crouch looked more like the old British politicians to me. And 
Flitwick looks more like a mad composer than Hitler in my eyes. Crouch 
Jr.'s tongue thing was just a visual device that was planted as a clue 
and of course, to tip Barty Sr. off that sonny was loose (although that 
whole thing was not explored in the movie). I imagine some people might 
have picked up the tongue thing in the pensieve scene and then gotten 
it when they saw Moody. In the book we had the "map" clue of Harry 
seeing Barty Jr in Snape's stores and the possibility of connecting 
that with Moody when he showed up so quickly, but they dropped that bit 
(which Jo put in to get rid of the map for the rest of the story 
basically) so they had to put in something similar.




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 05:08:14 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:08:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
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Outstanding contribution to British Cinema...Harry Potter! Awesome! 
That's quite an honor. That "Paris Hilton" reference by Jason Issacs 
was hysterical! I can't believe some of the language these folks use on 
TV though! Sheesh!
Looks like the Phelps twins have short-ish hair for HP5. And they might 
be spiking Dan's hair so that it looks 'Harry-messy'
:-)
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 05:13:31 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:13:31 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
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On Mar 14, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Karen wrote:

> I love that too. One of my favorite deliveries in all the movies from a
>  character has to be his "Why - don't - you - proveit! (lip curl) beat
>  (sniff)" from CoS. He is so perfect as Lucius.
>
Yes, and what was that bit about we'd have to ask David Heyman if he 
(Jason) will be returning in Movie 5 to play Lucius. Don't they have 
that set by now?!! If they are already filming the centaur/Grawp scene 
they are starting from the back, forward. Though I guess in a movie 
this big they jump all over the place. But Lucius is critical to the 
Ministry scene. They could never get replace of Jason...could they?!?!? 
He's as perfect as Lucius as Rickman is to Snape.
Valerie  :-0


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 05:40:00 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:40:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
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<snip>And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed
>  over a bit.? Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.? I sure hope
>  so!!
>
I was just thinking...was it ever divulged (in either the COS or GOF 
films) that Voldemort killed  his parents? That would've perhaps made 
more sense as to why Harry ends up in the graveyard next to the Riddle 
tombstone/house. "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why? Might a 
non-HP-reader ask.
Valerie


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat Mar 18 05:58:28 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:58:28 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] The image of Harry
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It looks as though all the kids (except Hermione) now have short hair. 
Even Ron's is shorter. Kind of odd. You'd think as teens they'd get a 
bit more messy/casual. As previously noted, Tom's wig was terrible and 
the director should make him grow his hair to POA Draco's length. I 
mean, c'mon, the guy is making good money here; he can grow the hair to 
fit the part! He's not in that many scenes. I, for one, would LOVE to 
see him with long Lucius hair (following in Daddy's footsteps). 'Course 
I've just contradicted myself, because THAT is a wig!!
I do hope they muss Harry's hair up though. Short is ok, but it must be 
somewhat messy. Especially if they are going to make the point, as per 
the flashback in the book, that James was always intentionally messing 
up his hair (to look hotter for the girls!) I cannot WAIT to see the 
Marauder flashbacks!
Valerie




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 18 17:12:51 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:12:51 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
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On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

>
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Karen wrote:
>
>> I love that too. One of my favorite deliveries in all the movies from 
>> a
>>  character has to be his "Why - don't - you - proveit! (lip curl) beat
>>  (sniff)" from CoS. He is so perfect as Lucius.
>>
> Yes, and what was that bit about we'd have to ask David Heyman if he
> (Jason) will be returning in Movie 5 to play Lucius. Don't they have
> that set by now?!! If they are already filming the centaur/Grawp scene
> they are starting from the back, forward. Though I guess in a movie
> this big they jump all over the place. But Lucius is critical to the
> Ministry scene. They could never get replace of Jason...could they?!?!?
> He's as perfect as Lucius as Rickman is to Snape.
> Valerie  :-0
>

kchuplis:
I'm sure he'll be in it. I suppose they don't always finalize things 
until closer to filming those things. A lot of times it's all about 
schedule and juggling other projects around. I certainly hope they keep 
him in. Don't see why they wouldn't when he seems willing. The Paris 
Hilton comment was a stitch.




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 18 17:13:36 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:13:36 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
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On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> <snip>And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed
>>  over a bit.? Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.? I sure hope
>>  so!!
>>
> I was just thinking...was it ever divulged (in either the COS or GOF
> films) that Voldemort killed  his parents? That would've perhaps made
> more sense as to why Harry ends up in the graveyard next to the Riddle
> tombstone/house. "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why? Might a
> non-HP-reader ask.
> Valerie
>

kchuplis:

I don't believe it comes up in the books until HBP.




From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Mar 18 18:06:29 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:06:29 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:
> 
> > <snip>And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed
> >>  over a bit.? Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.? I sure 
hope
> >>  so!!
> >>
> > I was just thinking...was it ever divulged (in either the COS or 
GOF
> > films) that Voldemort killed  his parents? That would've perhaps 
made
> > more sense as to why Harry ends up in the graveyard next to the 
Riddle
> > tombstone/house. "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why? 
Might a
> > non-HP-reader ask.
> > Valerie
> >
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> I don't believe it comes up in the books until HBP.

As to LV killing his parents, in the beginning of GOF(Book) there is 
a whole section on the mysterious deaths and the chatting about it 
in Little Hangleton and about the old muggle who took care of the 
Riddle House ("Tom had a hard war..."). Although the young boy who 
showed up at the Riddle House was never identified, it was obvious 
that the killer was young Tom Riddle. 
Jen D.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 18 18:16:08 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:16:08 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
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On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 12:06 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:
>>
>>> <snip>And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed
>>>>  over a bit.? Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.? I sure
> hope
>>>>  so!!
>>>>
>>> I was just thinking...was it ever divulged (in either the COS or
> GOF
>>> films) that Voldemort killed  his parents? That would've perhaps
> made
>>> more sense as to why Harry ends up in the graveyard next to the
> Riddle
>>> tombstone/house. "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why?
> Might a
>>> non-HP-reader ask.
>>> Valerie
>>>
>>
>> kchuplis:
>>
>> I don't believe it comes up in the books until HBP.
>
> As to LV killing his parents, in the beginning of GOF(Book) there is
> a whole section on the mysterious deaths and the chatting about it
> in Little Hangleton and about the old muggle who took care of the
> Riddle House ("Tom had a hard war..."). Although the young boy who
> showed up at the Riddle House was never identified, it was obvious
> that the killer was young Tom Riddle.
> Jen D.
>
>
kchuplis:

Yes, this is true, but I guess I was thinking of it from Harry's POV 
and he isn't really aware of that until 6. Though I think all it took 
him to know he was in trouble would be to see the name Riddle on the 
gravestones.




From rkdas at charter.net  Sat Mar 18 23:36:14 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:36:14 -0000
Subject: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Saturday, March 18, 2006, at 12:06 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, March 17, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Valerie Flowe wrote:
> >>
> >>> <snip>And the whole death-eater thing was sort of glazed
> >>>>  over a bit.? Maybe they'll explain it better in OoTP.? I sure
> > hope
> >>>>  so!!
> >>>>
> >>> I was just thinking...was it ever divulged (in either the COS 
or
> > GOF
> >>> films) that Voldemort killed  his parents? That would've 
perhaps
> > made
> >>> more sense as to why Harry ends up in the graveyard next to the
> > Riddle
> >>> tombstone/house. "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why?
> > Might a
> >>> non-HP-reader ask.
> >>> Valerie
> >>>
> >>
> >> kchuplis:
> >>
> >> I don't believe it comes up in the books until HBP.
> >
> > As to LV killing his parents, in the beginning of GOF(Book) 
there is
> > a whole section on the mysterious deaths and the chatting about 
it
> > in Little Hangleton and about the old muggle who took care of the
> > Riddle House ("Tom had a hard war..."). Although the young boy 
who
> > showed up at the Riddle House was never identified, it was 
obvious
> > that the killer was young Tom Riddle.
> > Jen D.
> >
> >
> kchuplis:
> 
> Yes, this is true, but I guess I was thinking of it from Harry's 
POV 
> and he isn't really aware of that until 6. Though I think all it 
took 
> him to know he was in trouble would be to see the name Riddle on 
the 
> gravestones.

Hi Karen,
I am getting confused, I guess between the two worlds of book and 
film. The thing the book did that the film couldn't really match was 
the slow dawning of horror Harry experienced as he little-by-little 
realized what was going to happen. Even as Wormtail dumped the 
horrid scaly baby LV into the cauldron, Harry was thinking "Let it 
die, please let it die." (I can't quote exactly, my daughter has 
absconded with the desk copy...). So even as LV was in process of 
rebirth, Harry didn't know what was to happen. It was masterful. I 
think there was not much time via film to portray that tension in 
Harry's mind. And again, the fact that we all know the books inside 
and out, pretty much ruled out the need to really draw that bit out. 
Anyhoo, sorry I didn't keep up on the line of reasoning! 
Jen D.
>







From lenore.leblanc at gmail.com  Sun Mar 19 20:06:50 2006
From: lenore.leblanc at gmail.com (Lenore)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:06:50 -0000
Subject: Random Clues
Message-ID: <dvkdkq+8f4t@eGroups.com>

Good morning all,

I did search to see if this had be brought up before, but I was unable
to find it. Watching GoF a few weeks back, a line caught my attention.
Not really so important but it was during the dancing lessons given by
McGonagall, she makes a comment about during a dance "a lordly lion
prepares to prance" and then pulls Ron up for the demonstration. Not a
very telling line I know, but then I thought back to PoA and that silly
scene with the candy that wasn't in the book but supposedly had
something to do with the future plot. Ron ate a candy, and roared like
a lion. Might just be my over active imagination, but I'm thinking this
points us to the possibility that Ron is the Heir of Gryffindor. Do you
think this has any validity, or am I just nuts?


Lenore








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Mar 20 04:48:16 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:48:16 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Random Clues
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On Mar 19, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Lenore wrote:

> Good morning all,
>
>  I did search to see if this had be brought up before, but I was unable
>  to find it. Watching GoF a few weeks back, a line caught my attention.
>  Not really so important but it was during the dancing lessons given by
>  McGonagall, she makes a comment about during a dance "a lordly lion
>  prepares to prance" and then pulls Ron up for the demonstration. Not a
>  very telling line I know, but then I thought back to PoA and that 
> silly
>  scene with the candy that wasn't in the book but supposedly had
>  something to do with the future plot. Ron ate a candy, and roared like
>  a lion. Might just be my over active imagination, but I'm thinking 
> this
>  points us to the possibility that Ron is the Heir of Gryffindor. Do 
> you
>  think this has any validity, or am I just nuts?
>
> Wow! Interesting thought...dunno though. It could be a coincidence. I 
> don't know if JKR would switch gears so fast with just one book to 
> wrap it all up. They still haven't really resolved the Neville vs. 
> Harry as Chosen One, have they?

> But I so love that dance scene and think it added greatly to the film. 
> It summed up the difference between boys and girls at that age. Girls 
> are ready for romance and being swept off their feet. Boys are still 
> awkward around girls, making inane comments like the one Ron made 
> about that poor girl. So typical. I love the way Harry pushes Ron 
> towards McGonagall with that adorable grin on his face!




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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon Mar 20 04:52:00 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 23:52:00 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Shorthand in Film(was dark films, but morphed)
In-Reply-To: <dvhi75+td2e@eGroups.com>
References: <dvhi75+td2e@eGroups.com>
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> "Bone of the Father, unwillingly given" Why?
>  Might a non-HP-reader ask.
> Valerie
>
>
> kchuplis:
>
> I don't believe it comes up in the books until HBP.
>
>  As to LV killing his parents, in the beginning of GOF(Book) there is
>  a whole section on the mysterious deaths and the chatting about it
>  in Little Hangleton and about the old muggle who took care of the
>  Riddle House ("Tom had a hard war..."). Although the young boy who
>  showed up at the Riddle House was never identified, it was obvious
>  that the killer was young Tom Riddle.
>  Jen D.

I'm just wondering if non-readers remember 2 movies back to Riddle in 
the Chamber. But then again, who cares, right!? If one is really 
confused, yet intrigued enough by the HP movies, they'll go pick up a 
copy of the books and get caught up in the convoluted woven story that 
we HP fans are so fond of.
Valerie


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From tmarends at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 14:21:10 2006
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:21:10 -0000
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie]Shorthand in Film
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Robin" <rgrimes1979 at ...> wrote:
  What I don't get is how Gary Oldman's name could be before many of 
the others in the movie that are actually IN the movie for more than a 
couple minutes.  I can't remember where his name was in the credits 
right off hand, but there were others listed after him that had much 
bigger parts.  How do they do the credits?  I know that Daniel, Rupert, 
and Emma get first digs at the beginning of the credits, but after that?
> 
> 
Other than the trio... names are generally listed alphabetically, and 
then in groups.  In the cast listed late in the credits, where it lists 
every performer for every part, it is usually in order that they appear 
in the film.

Tim A






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 20:19:43 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:19:43 -0000
Subject: Oldman may not return to HP movies!
Message-ID: <dvn2ov+jkav@eGroups.com>

I just read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not yet 
been asked to reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.

<<SOB>> They can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be better!

Please excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the covers for 
a while.

Lauren






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Mar 20 21:16:14 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:16:14 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to HP movies!
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Makes  no sense they wouldn't be interested. I say its rumor mongering.

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Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to HP movies!


> I just read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not yet
> been asked to reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.
>
> <<SOB>> They can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be better!
>
> Please excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the covers for
> a while.
>
> Lauren
>
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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 21:56:30 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 21:56:30 -0000
Subject: Eek! Movie news w/chararcter notes!
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> Outstanding contribution to British Cinema...Harry Potter! 
Awesome! 
> That's quite an honor. That "Paris Hilton" reference by Jason 
Issacs 
> was hysterical! I can't believe some of the language these folks 
use on 
> TV though! Sheesh!
> Looks like the Phelps twins have short-ish hair for HP5. And they 
might 
> be spiking Dan's hair so that it looks 'Harry-messy'
> :-)
> Valerie
> 
> 
> On Mar 14, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Karen wrote:
> 
> > http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=18268 
> >
> >  Enjoy!


And now Lauren:

Valerie, where did you find a recent picture of the Phelps Twins? 
I'd be interested to see what they look like now. 







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 22:00:27 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:00:27 -0000
Subject: Oldman may not return to HP movies!
In-Reply-To: <000501c64c63$857b4740$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:19 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to HP movies!
> 
> 
> > I just read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not 
yet
> > been asked to reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.
> >
> > <<SOB>> They can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be 
better!
> >
> > Please excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the 
covers for a while.
> >
> > Lauren

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> Makes  no sense they wouldn't be interested. I say its rumor 
mongering.
> 

And now Lauren:
Do you really think so?  From who?  Oldman's management group? To 
try and see how much Oldman is loved as Sirius?








From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 22:19:13 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:19:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oldman may not return to HP movies!
In-Reply-To: <dvn8lr+6hmo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060320221913.44444.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



laurenmcoakley worried:    > > I just read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not yet  been asked to reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.  <<SOB>> They can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be 
 better!
  > > Please excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the covers for a while.
 > >
 > > Lauren
 
"Karen" <kchuplis at ...> then speculated:
 >
 > Makes  no sense they wouldn't be interested. I say its rumor 
 mongering.
 
 
 And now Lauren:
 Do you really think so?  From who?  Oldman's management group? To  try and see how much Oldman is loved as Sirius?
 
 akh butted in with:

Over the years, various HP actors have told us they were not yet signed to the project, including Emma Watson and Julie Walters (pre-GOF; we know she wasn't in that).  Often, actors are told (by their agents, managers and/or attorneys, presumably) not to say they are definitely attached to a project until the deal is signed.  

The likelihood that WB would replace Gary Oldman after two movies is remote, in my opinion.  Why sabotage such a goldmine?  It's not just old ladies like me who would be outraged; they'd alienate a whole generation of future movie-goers!
 
 akh, who might as well be posting here, since she's not getting much done at work... (anybody know where I can find a cool flying griffin?)
 
      

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon Mar 20 22:24:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:24:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Oldman may not return to HP movies!
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On Monday, March 20, 2006, at 04:00 PM, laurenmcoakley wrote:

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at ...>
>> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:19 PM
>> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to HP movies!
>>
>>
>>> I just read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not
> yet
>>> been asked to reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.
>>>
>>> <<SOB>> They can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be
> better!
>>>
>>> Please excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the
> covers for a while.
>>>
>>> Lauren
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>> Makes  no sense they wouldn't be interested. I say its rumor
> mongering.
>>
>
> And now Lauren:
> Do you really think so?  From who?  Oldman's management group? To
> try and see how much Oldman is loved as Sirius?
>
kchuplis:
 From someone someone talked to who says that the management group says 
it. Not saying it couldn't be true, but I'd wait for an official 
announcement until I got stressed over it. I'm just sayin.....
>




From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 22:59:25 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:59:25 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman
Message-ID: <28a.7ce3ba5.31508dcd@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2006 4:01:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I just  read this on www.MuggleNet.com that Gary Oldman has not yet 
been asked to  reprise his role as Sirius Black for OoTP.

<<SOB>> They  can't NOT have him!  I can't imagine who would be better!

Please  excuse me, I've got to go and put my head under the covers for 
a  while.

Lauren




Chin up!!  They don't put a lot of the actors under contract  until they need 
them.  There was a bit of confusion about him being in GoF  until the "last 
minute" too, wasn't there?  IIRC???  With the films, I  think we just have to 
trust them to not screw things up too badly.  I don't  think they'd want to 
mess with a cash cow like the HP films.  If Oldman is  making ridiculous demands, 
that's another story.  That's why we never saw  Madam Hooch again - that 
actress apparently is "somebody" in England (or thinks  she is) and made some 
ridiculous demands and they just decided they could do  without her in future 
films - and we haven't missed her being there, have  we?  Nope, I didn't think so. 
 I used to get all upset when one rumor  or another would surface, but 
overall, the producers have treated our Harry and  his friends fairly well, so I 
guess we'll just have to keep trusting  them.
 
Of course, if you want to write Warner Bros. or David Heyman and  insist on 
them using Gary Oldman (I can't see why they would change, after all),  that's 
about all you can do about it.
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 23:01:11 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:11 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] random clues
Message-ID: <2b2.6e82322.31508e37@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/20/2006 4:01:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

during  the dancing lessons given by
McGonagall, she makes a comment about during a  dance "a lordly lion
prepares to prance" and then pulls Ron up for the  demonstration. Not a
very telling line I know, but then I thought back to  PoA and that silly
scene with the candy that wasn't in the book but  supposedly had
something to do with the future plot. Ron ate a candy, and  roared like
a lion. Might just be my over active imagination, but I'm  thinking this
points us to the possibility that Ron is the Heir of  Gryffindor. Do you
think this has any validity, or am I just  nuts?


Lenore


I hadn't noticed that - good one!  I don't believe Ron's the  Heir (he's the 
sixth son in the family - seems as if the oldest one would be the  Heir, and 
Arthur before him, right?), but this is a magical world, so who  knows?  You 
could be right!
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

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From artsylynda at aol.com  Mon Mar 20 23:05:32 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:05:32 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to OoP
Message-ID: <31e.5581ca.31508f3c@aol.com>

EEP!  I didn't realize it was his AGENT saying that in the  Mugglenet article 
(just came from reading it).  Just ignore my previous  post completely.  I 
don't know why they wouldn't want Gary Oldman to  reprise his part, especially 
if he's not asking for a lot of money to do  it.  That's just odd.  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/




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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 20 23:20:47 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:20:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Oldman may not return to OoP
In-Reply-To: <31e.5581ca.31508f3c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20060320232047.88898.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



artsylynda at aol.com gasped:    EEP!  I didn't realize it was his AGENT saying that in the  Mugglenet article (just came from reading it).  Just ignore my previous  post completely.  I 
don't know why they wouldn't want Gary Oldman to  reprise his part, especially if he's not asking for a lot of money to do  it.  That's just odd.  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

akh responded cynically:
   
  Actually, that might make it clearer.  An agent would love to generate a lot of "noise" about his/her client not yet being signed; following a high volume of fan outrage, that could put said agent in a golden negotiating position.  I wouldn't presume to accuse any agent of manipulating the fans, mind you...
   
  akh, who's finding this a very convenient way to avoid prepping for her class tomorrow night (taught it before, but I should refresh myself anyway...)

		
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From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 20:57:47 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:57:47 -0000
Subject: Oldman may not return to OoP
In-Reply-To: <20060320232047.88898.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dvppcb+p9en@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH <anita_hillin at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> artsylynda at ... gasped:    EEP!  I didn't realize it was his AGENT 
saying that in the  Mugglenet article (just came from reading it).  
Just ignore my previous  post completely.  I 
> don't know why they wouldn't want Gary Oldman to  reprise his 
part, especially if he's not asking for a lot of money to do  it.  
That's just odd.  
> 
> Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

This came up earlier this year and at one point a WB spokesman 
verified that Oldman would be in OotP, but it was withdrawn the next 
day.  I haven't bothered reading the Mugglenet article but it 
doesn't sound like it's anything new.

I wonder if Gary was p*ssed about his lack of screen time in GoF?

Lizzie






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 21 23:11:21 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 23:11:21 -0000
Subject: Gary Oldman is back!
Message-ID: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>

Ok folks, maybe it WAS all a ploy, I've just read at 
www.dissendium.com that Gary Oldman read the script last night and a 
deal was made this morning.  He will be in OoTP after all.

Just thought you'd like to know!
Lauren







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 21 23:45:32 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:45:32 -0600
Subject: More OoTP news
In-Reply-To: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>
References: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <F59DA129-B7F1-490B-B506-DE860DD28E7F@alltel.net>

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8489

with link to interviews and.......(drum roll) confirmation the  
FIREWORKS made it in! Now let's hope the twins exit also makes it in. 



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 21 23:53:23 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:53:23 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More OoTP news -direct link
In-Reply-To: <F59DA129-B7F1-490B-B506-DE860DD28E7F@alltel.net>
References: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com> <F59DA129-B7F1-490B-B506-DE860DD28E7F@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <B9FCA045-AD81-4C0E-9E8A-9F073BF0D985@alltel.net>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/newsround1/rams/bb/cn_potterdvd_4x3_bb.asx

Much easier.

On Mar 21, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Karen wrote:

> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8489
>
> with link to interviews and.......(drum roll) confirmation the
> FIREWORKS made it in! Now let's hope the twins exit also makes it in.
>
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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Mar 23 05:29:10 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:29:10 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Gary Oldman is back!
In-Reply-To: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>
References: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <7e9ffe0b164faa4558dbc1fbf349f8c5@verizon.net>


On Mar 21, 2006, at 6:11 PM, laurenmcoakley wrote:

> Ok folks, maybe it WAS all a ploy, I've just read at
>  www.dissendium.com that Gary Oldman read the script last night and a
>  deal was made this morning.? He will be in OoTP after all.
>
>  Just thought you'd like to know!
>  Lauren
>
WOO HOO! Looks like it's for real!
Valerie


23 March 2006

  ----------

Oldman Back As Black
Gary signs for Potter 5
Thank goodness that?s all over. After much worrying that Gary Oldman 
hadn?t been invited back for Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix 
? either because of scheduling or contract problems ? fans can now rest 
easy. He has signed a deal to play Harry?s godfather Sirius Black. 
Which is a relief, since (without giving away any spoilers) Black plays 
a hefty part of Phoenix?s plot.

"Gary Oldman is now set to play Sirius Black in The Order Of The 
Phoenix. A deal was concluded this morning," his long-time manager, 
Doug Urbanski, told a Gary Oldman fan site.

"I'm so relieved and happy," he added. "I can't put my mind in the 
place of the producers, but I would've thought that when they read the 
book, a call to us would've been very high on their list. Obviously, 
the character of Sirius Black is key."

Urbanski went on to note that both he and Oldman were unsure why 
Warners hated waited so long to make an offer. "Since they had no 
option for Gary on this film, he was a free agent.? But here?s one 
reason for why they suddenly decided to act: Oldman?s team played the 
old Next Job card: ?Last week, we told them that Gary had another 
movie, and it was just a question of doing a deal," he said. ?he end of 
the story is: Gary's in it. It's a terrific script, and he's so happy 
to be back."


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Mar 23 05:34:21 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:34:21 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] recent pix of Phelps and Grint
In-Reply-To: <dvn8ee+eg6v@eGroups.com>
References: <dvn8ee+eg6v@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <718b1486d5338d2b9450c9ae30e6e259@verizon.net>

> And now Lauren:
>
>  Valerie, where did you find a recent picture of the Phelps Twins?
>  I'd be interested to see what they look like now.
>
>

Lauren,
I was checking out pictures of the Empire Awards. There was a pic of 
Rupert and James P. Check it out...
Valerie

> http://www.empireonline.com/awards2006/gallery/show.asp


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Mar 23 06:49:51 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:49:51 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More OoTP news -direct link
In-Reply-To: <B9FCA045-AD81-4C0E-9E8A-9F073BF0D985@alltel.net>
References: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com>
 <F59DA129-B7F1-490B-B506-DE860DD28E7F@alltel.net>
 <B9FCA045-AD81-4C0E-9E8A-9F073BF0D985@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <c2eb9409a525c70af9b57d2a60c032b7@verizon.net>

Anyone having trouble with the new Leaky Cauldron site? It keeps 
refreshing and refreshing itself incessantly. Hmmm...I wonder if it's a 
Mac thing versus a PC thing?
Well I'm glad the Room of Requirement and the DA are in movie 5. Yay! I 
can't wait to see how Katie and Dan handle their relationship on 
screen. :-)
Valerie




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar 23 15:18:00 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:18:00 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More OoTP news -direct link
In-Reply-To: <c2eb9409a525c70af9b57d2a60c032b7@verizon.net>
References: <dvq16p+uun6@eGroups.com> <F59DA129-B7F1-490B-B506-DE860DD28E7F@alltel.net> <B9FCA045-AD81-4C0E-9E8A-9F073BF0D985@alltel.net> <c2eb9409a525c70af9b57d2a60c032b7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6286DEA2-B137-4AFA-93CF-0AC86EF35E90@alltel.net>

Heh. I had to get a CT scan this a.m. and when they injected the  
iodine, all I could think of was Dan's description of his flu:  
"deeply unpleasant".


On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:49 AM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> Anyone having trouble with the new Leaky Cauldron site? It keeps
> refreshing and refreshing itself incessantly. Hmmm...I wonder if  
> it's a
> Mac thing versus a PC thing?
> Well I'm glad the Room of Requirement and the DA are in movie 5.  
> Yay! I
> can't wait to see how Katie and Dan handle their relationship on
> screen. :-)
> Valerie
>
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar 23 17:44:12 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:44:12 -0600
Subject: SS "extended version
Message-ID: <B1C9996D-C5EE-4273-9A03-635FE1B5846F@alltel.net>

Just a heads up for folks like me that have not seen these ABC  
extended versions. Sorceror's Stone is showing on ABC Family Channel  
on Sunday. Twice I think - 3:30 and again at 7 C.T. 



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 19:26:18 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:26:18 -0000
Subject: recent pix of Phelps and Grint - HAIR, Long Beautiful Hair, ...
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
wrote:
>
> > And now Lauren:
> >
> >  Valerie, where did you find a recent picture of the Phelps Twins?
> >  I'd be interested to see what they look like now.
> >
> >
> 
> Lauren,
> I was checking out pictures of the Empire Awards. There was a pic of 
> Rupert and James P. Check it out...
> Valerie
> 
> > http://www.empireonline.com/awards2006/gallery/show.asp
> 

bboyminn:

I wonder about the characters Hair in the up-coming movies. I notice
most have shorter hair as you can see from the photo of Rupert and
James. That's, for the most part, not a problem. But I noticed in a
recent CBBC Newsround interview that, while Dan's hair is longer than
it was, it is still pretty short. I can't help wondering if the next
time we see him, he will be in a wig?

Not that I have a problem with anyone's hair getting shorter. In fact,
Dan's hair seems more spikey and prone to sticking up now that it is
short. I'm just wondering what the studios are thinking about this,
and whether they will leave things as is, or if they will force Dan to
wear a Harry Potter wig? 

Of course, this brings up another canon point, do young wizards
actually need to get their hair cut, or does it stay at the perferred
length by force of Will? We never see anyone go to the bathroom, but
it is implied that bathrooms exist, and must therefore be used. We
never see anyone take a bath, but again bathing places are implied and
again we can reasonably assume that they are used. 

Still not a mention of any hair cutting facilities anywhere in the
magic world. No mention of walking past the barber shop on the way to
The Three Broomsticks. No mention of a barber shop in Diagon Alley.
Students stay at Hogwarts for 10 months at a time, certainly in 10
months, someone somewhere would like to have a haircut on the
assumption that hair grows about an inch per month. Still no mention.

Of course, books, movies, and TV are filled with shows where no
character ever gets a haircut unless they can somehow work it into the
plot. But then again, we don't necessarily follow the lives of those
characters for a full year. There are great gaps in time in which
characters could be getting haircuts but we don't see it. To some
extent that is true of the Potter universe, but still we follow every
pertinent day of the characters lives for a year and never so much as
a mention in passing. Certainly, haircuts are not relavant to the
story any more than bathroom breaks, showeres, or brushing one's
teeth, but you would think their might be a passing reference.

It could be, as implied by the time Petunia cut Harry's hair and it
regrew overnight, that to some extent each individuals magical desire
or magical self-image controls Hair growth and appearance. 

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn







From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 23 20:00:05 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:00:05 -0000
Subject: recent pix of Phelps and Grint - HAIR, Long Beautiful Hair, ...
In-Reply-To: <dvusoq+jhkh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvuuo5+73is@eGroups.com>

> bboyminn:
> 
> I wonder about the characters Hair in the up-coming movies. I 
notice
> most have shorter hair as you can see from the photo of Rupert and
> James. That's, for the most part, not a problem. But I noticed in a
> recent CBBC Newsround interview that, while Dan's hair is longer 
than
> it was, it is still pretty short. I can't help wondering if the 
next
> time we see him, he will be in a wig?
> 
> Not that I have a problem with anyone's hair getting shorter. In 
fact,
> Dan's hair seems more spikey and prone to sticking up now that it 
is
> short. I'm just wondering what the studios are thinking about this,
> and whether they will leave things as is, or if they will force 
Dan to
> wear a Harry Potter wig? 
> 
> Of course, this brings up another canon point, do young wizards
> actually need to get their hair cut, or does it stay at the 
perferred
> length by force of Will? We never see anyone go to the bathroom, 
but
> it is implied that bathrooms exist, and must therefore be used. We
> never see anyone take a bath, but again bathing places are implied 
and
> again we can reasonably assume that they are used. 
> 
> Still not a mention of any hair cutting facilities anywhere in the
> magic world. No mention of walking past the barber shop on the way 
to
> The Three Broomsticks. No mention of a barber shop in Diagon Alley.
> Students stay at Hogwarts for 10 months at a time, certainly in 10
> months, someone somewhere would like to have a haircut on the
> assumption that hair grows about an inch per month. Still no 
mention.
> 
> Of course, books, movies, and TV are filled with shows where no
> character ever gets a haircut unless they can somehow work it into 
the
> plot. But then again, we don't necessarily follow the lives of 
those
> characters for a full year. There are great gaps in time in which
> characters could be getting haircuts but we don't see it. To some
> extent that is true of the Potter universe, but still we follow 
every
> pertinent day of the characters lives for a year and never so much 
as
> a mention in passing. Certainly, haircuts are not relavant to the
> story any more than bathroom breaks, showeres, or brushing one's
> teeth, but you would think their might be a passing reference.
> 
> It could be, as implied by the time Petunia cut Harry's hair and it
> regrew overnight, that to some extent each individuals magical 
desire
> or magical self-image controls Hair growth and appearance. 
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn
>
Hi, Steve: I love your comments, as I have also wondered about all 
this throughout the series. If I had once single 'beef' about the HP 
books, it's JK saying things like (really loosely quoted) "they 
finished eating, pulled on their PJ's and fell into bed"... hello? 
couldn't she just say something like "they got ready and changed for 
bed before going to sleep"? or "they used a cleaning charm, then 
turned out the lights?"... I don't know, but I'm sure even wizards 
require a minimum of daily maintenance, and this could be a little 
more implied in the stories, IMO!   
Nicole


     







From camckenzie at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 23 21:03:45 2006
From: camckenzie at yahoo.com (ptmckenz)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 21:03:45 -0000
Subject: bathrooms, baths, etc. (was: recent pix of Phelps and Grint - HAIR...)
In-Reply-To: <dvusoq+jhkh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <dvv2fh+9qmh@eGroups.com>

> Of course, this brings up another canon point, do young wizards
> actually need to get their hair cut, or does it stay at the perferred
> length by force of Will? We never see anyone go to the bathroom, but
> it is implied that bathrooms exist, and must therefore be used. We
> never see anyone take a bath, but again bathing places are implied and
> again we can reasonably assume that they are used. 
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Although, JKR never exactly says "and they went to the bathroom after class" there are 
definitely bathrooms, as Moaning Myrtle's bathroom (or girls' toilet?) is absolutely pivotal 
in CoS and Harry catches Draco crying in the bathroom in HBP.  Also, Harry does actually 
take a bath in GoF.

 Which brings up a tiny scene I really liked in the movie GoF.  When Ron puts on his 
terrifying dress robes and then Harry comes in, with toothbrush in hand (in a lovely tux 
dress robe) carrying a spongebag (I think that's what they are called in British books).  It 
was the first time that I had noticed that wizardly teeth needed brushing.  That is what I 
really like about the HP world - ordinary life juxtaposed against a magical background.

cheers,
Catherine







From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Thu Mar 23 22:10:52 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:10:52 -0500
Subject: recent pix of Phelps and Grint
Message-ID: <8C81CDDC8DECA40-19D8-8D8D@mblk-r34.sysops.aol.com>

They are both sporting shorter hair. Truthfully I liked the longer hair on the twins. I wasn't really keen with Rupert's though. There's a shot of Daniel Radcliffe as well. Very nice! Thanks for the link!
 
Jade
 
  
Lauren,
I was checking out pictures of the Empire Awards. There was a pic of 
Rupert and James P. Check it out...
Valerie

> http://www.empireonline.com/awards2006/gallery/show.asp


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Fri Mar 24 00:02:32 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:02:32 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: bathrooms, baths, etc. (was: recent pix of Phelps and Grint - HAIR...)
In-Reply-To: <dvv2fh+9qmh@eGroups.com>
References: <dvv2fh+9qmh@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <8CCE804F-7D99-41AA-BA17-910F44404528@alltel.net>


On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:03 PM, ptmckenz wrote:

>> Of course, this brings up another canon point, do young wizards
>> actually need to get their hair cut, or does it stay at the perferred
>> length by force of Will? We never see anyone go to the bathroom, but
>> it is implied that bathrooms exist, and must therefore be used. We
>> never see anyone take a bath, but again bathing places are implied  
>> and
>> again we can reasonably assume that they are used.
>>
>> Steve/bboyminn
>
> Although, JKR never exactly says "and they went to the bathroom  
> after class" there are
> definitely bathrooms, as Moaning Myrtle's bathroom (or girls'  
> toilet?) is absolutely pivotal
> in CoS and Harry catches Draco crying in the bathroom in HBP.   
> Also, Harry does actually
> take a bath in GoF.
>
>  Which brings up a tiny scene I really liked in the movie GoF.   
> When Ron puts on his
> terrifying dress robes and then Harry comes in, with toothbrush in  
> hand (in a lovely tux
> dress robe) carrying a spongebag (I think that's what they are  
> called in British books).  It
> was the first time that I had noticed that wizardly teeth needed  
> brushing.  That is what I
> really like about the HP world - ordinary life juxtaposed against a  
> magical background.
>
> cheers,
> Catherine
>

kchuplis:

Heh. I like that too. When Ron yells "what are those!" and Harry  
looks at the toothbrush and bag, "No! THOSE". Cute touch.



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 19:51:42 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:51:42 -0000
Subject: OT: Empire Awards: Skandar/Narnia (was: recent pix of Phelps &Grint)
In-Reply-To: <718b1486d5338d2b9450c9ae30e6e259@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e01ike+k740@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
wrote:
>
> > And now Lauren:
> >
> >  Valerie, where did you find a recent picture of the Phelps Twins?
> >  I'd be interested to see what they look like now.
> >
> >
> 
> Lauren,
> I was checking out pictures of the Empire Awards. There was a pic of 
> Rupert and James P. Check it out...
> Valerie
> 
> > http://www.empireonline.com/awards2006/gallery/show.asp
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

bboyminn:

Completely off any logical or related subject, I see at the same link
is a photo of a couple of the characters/acors from 'Chronicles of
Narnia'. The actor who plays 'Edmund' in the movie, his real name is 

Skandar Keynes

What kind of cool name is 'Skandar'? 

If there ever was an elfish/wizardly name it is certainly 'Skandar'. 

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn






From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 24 20:36:09 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:36:09 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Empire Awards: Skandar/Narnia (was: recent pix of Phelps &Grint)
References: <e01ike+k740@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20a901c64f82$95e62ab0$6402a8c0@GARDENROOM>

And to drag this back around to HP, the girl who played Susan is called Anna Popplewell. I was watching Peter Pan the other night, the one with the delectable Jason Isaacs, and the boy who played Michael, Wendy's youngest brother, was Freddie Popplewell. There can't be too many families with child actors with that surname, now, can there?

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve 
  bboyminn:

  Completely off any logical or related subject, I see at the same link
  is a photo of a couple of the characters/acors from 'Chronicles of
  Narnia'. The actor who plays 'Edmund' in the movie, his real name is 

  Skandar Keynes

  What kind of cool name is 'Skandar'? 

  If there ever was an elfish/wizardly name it is certainly 'Skandar'. 

  For what it's worth.

  Steve/bboyminn

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat Mar 25 01:20:57 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:20:57 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OT: Empire Awards: Skandar/Narnia (was: recent pix of Phelps &Grint)
In-Reply-To: <e01ike+k740@eGroups.com>
References: <e01ike+k740@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <527CBEDD-FAF6-4F21-86CF-79037F41B50C@alltel.net>


On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Steve wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...>
> wrote:
>>
>>> And now Lauren:
>>>
>>>  Valerie, where did you find a recent picture of the Phelps Twins?
>>>  I'd be interested to see what they look like now.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Lauren,
>> I was checking out pictures of the Empire Awards. There was a pic of
>> Rupert and James P. Check it out...
>> Valerie
>>
>>> http://www.empireonline.com/awards2006/gallery/show.asp
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Completely off any logical or related subject, I see at the same link
> is a photo of a couple of the characters/acors from 'Chronicles of
> Narnia'. The actor who plays 'Edmund' in the movie, his real name is
>
> Skandar Keynes
>
> What kind of cool name is 'Skandar'?
>
> If there ever was an elfish/wizardly name it is certainly 'Skandar'.
>
> For what it's worth.
>
> Steve/bboyminn
>
>
>
>

kchuplis:

"I AM SKANDAR THE BRAVE!" I wonder if his parents played a lot of  
video games?



From nakedkali at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 26 22:54:09 2006
From: nakedkali at yahoo.com (Sea Change)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:54:09 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <dvejcr+fh0m@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0762h+mqsm@eGroups.com>



      Sandy wrote:

[snip]

> >I really missed John Williams score. I felt the least they could 
> > have done was stick with the opening theme music. I have the 
> >soundtrack from SS and listen to it constantly. I just love it. 

     and 

[snip]

> >I agree with you too, THANK GAWD we didn't have to listen to the Hogwarts song OR > 
> >the entire version  of "Do the Hippogriff".  

[snip]

     then  Susan Bones (Jen D) said:

[snip]

> Why not John Williams, I don't know either. But story choices were made and I 
> think they are not accidental. Calculated might be too stong a word, 
> but this is Warner Bro. we are talking about so I am not going to 
> rule it out. 

_________________________________________

Sea Change responds:

There was some debate as to whether John Wiliams actually could *do* 'eerie' or 'magical'.  
And, he pretty much can't, he is wired very strongly into major keys and lush, heavily 
orchestrated backgrounds.  You can tell the difference between the music for the first 
movie, which is actually pretty decent and a growth in style for him and where he barely 
won the contract and was forced to show what he could do when pressed, and the second 
and third movies in which he becomes more sure of himself and thus becomes 
increasingly bland and boring.    The magic had IMO been thoroughly and completely 
sucked out of the music of the movie series by the time the third one's credits were 
rolling.

Good thing Almodovar is so interesting.

Minor and augmented keys, hollow chords, and irregular tempi are more typically 
interpreted as eerie, strange or magical in people's minds.  By movie three they are mostly 
gone and there was no chance anyone who cared about sound would renew the contract.  
The dotted quarter notes pretty much just dissapear and you could just as well have had 
the movie scored by Manheim Steamroller.

So, no I sure hope it wasn't accidental.  And, about time.  Good riddance.

I *liked* the 'Do the Hippogriff' scene and the music.  It was vivid, showed what JKR has 
said elsewhere in that she wanted to show about wizarding kids being normal, and I liked 
the music, too.  The required set-piece waltz was excellently done, and something 
Williams would have sucked the life out of.



Sea Change, who has a catholic taste in music, but still can't stand rap










From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Mar 27 01:21:09 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:21:09 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e07850+8c7f@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e07em5+ooim@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> I was just watching SS on ABC Family and my daughter questioned "Why 
> didn't Ron say 'Oy, peabrain' to the troll the way he did in the 
book?"
> Which, of course made me want to know if the film had any 
differences 
> between America and Britain. Can a British fan tell me? I did remark 
> that the films have increasingly used British words rather than 
water 
> it down for Americans. Remember how jazzed we were when Ginny asked 
> her mum if she'd seen her jumper?
> jen D.
>








From saundradj at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 27 04:03:04 2006
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 04:03:04 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e07em5+ooim@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e07o5o+37fb@eGroups.com>


Hey, I just saw SS on TV, in fact I'm watching it again right now and
Ron did say "Oy peabrain".

Saundra


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" rkdas@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > I was just watching SS on ABC Family and my daughter questioned "Why
> > didn't Ron say 'Oy, peabrain' to the troll the way he did in the
> book?"
> > Which, of course made me want to know if the film had any
> differences
> > between America and Britain. Can a British fan tell me? I did remark
> > that the films have increasingly used British words rather than
> water
> > it down for Americans. Remember how jazzed we were when Ginny asked
> > her mum if she'd seen her jumper?
> > jen D.
> >
>








From rkdas at charter.net  Mon Mar 27 21:35:57 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:35:57 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e07o5o+37fb@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e09lrt+vrvo@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Saundra" <saundradj at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hey, I just saw SS on TV, in fact I'm watching it again right now and
> Ron did say "Oy peabrain".
> 
> Saundra
> 
Jen cuts in:
My daughter heard "Hey pea-brain!" She could be wrong. I have a copy 
of it on dvd. I could listen with the caps on and be definitive, 
couldn't I? I'll just have to do that.
jen d.
> 
>







From DANCERWH86 at aol.com  Mon Mar 27 22:10:11 2006
From: DANCERWH86 at aol.com (Lindsay!!)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:10:11 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e0762h+mqsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e09ns3+42pt@eGroups.com>

Sea-Change wrote:
<<<> I *liked* the 'Do the Hippogriff' scene and the music.  It was
vivid, showed what JKR has 
> said elsewhere in that she wanted to show about wizarding kids being
normal, and I liked 
> the music, too.  The required set-piece waltz was excellently done,
and something 
> Williams would have sucked the life out of.>>>>

I really enjoyed the "Do the Hippogriff" scene. I actually think it
was inspired to have the singers they had (members of Pulp and
Radiohead) to play the Weird Sisters. Since they were parts of real
bands it didn't seem totally forced. They know how to "play" a band,
for lack of a better way of saying it.It was fun and added that hint
of "normalcy" to the kids lives like you mentioned. Kids even in the
wizarding world like rock music...I think it was a nice element.
While, I do agree perhaps the whole number didn't need to be in the
film watching the extended version in the special features it did seem
helpful to have the band introduced so non-book readers would have a
better idea of where they came from.

The waltz, I also agree, was beautiful and I think the score in that
case was perfect. I didn't particularly miss the Williams score. I
don't think this was a let down.

Lindsay






From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Tue Mar 28 03:31:03 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:31:03 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: bathrooms, baths, etc.
In-Reply-To: <8CCE804F-7D99-41AA-BA17-910F44404528@alltel.net>
References: <dvv2fh+9qmh@eGroups.com>
 <8CCE804F-7D99-41AA-BA17-910F44404528@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <a55ee22caa13fe3e25f7543e2d12f4f4@verizon.net>

> Which brings up a tiny scene I really liked in the movie GoF.?When Ron 
> puts on his terrifying dress robes and then Harry comes in, with 
> toothbrush in?hand (in a lovely tux
> dress robe) carrying a spongebag (I think that's what they are?called 
> in British books).? It was the first time that I had noticed that 
> wizardly teeth needed?brushing.? That is what I really like about the 
> HP world - ordinary life juxtaposed against a?magical 
> background.cheers,Catherine
>  kchuplis:
>
>  Heh. I like that too. When Ron yells "what are those!" and Harry?
>  looks at the toothbrush and bag, "No! THOSE". Cute touch.

I never noticed what Harry was carrying! I'll have to watch it again.
Valerie
PS. I got the impression in SS that Harry's hair style wasn't so much a 
choice as 'just he crazy way it grew'. 'Course as we go along in the 
movies, the actors are more fashionable than is noted in the books, 
with their hip garb and cool cuts.
>  

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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 16:41:34 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:41:34 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e0762h+mqsm@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0bovu+lq4s@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Sea Change" <nakedkali at ...> 
wrote:

SNIPPED the posts Sea Change responded to...

> Sea Change responds:
> 
> There was some debate as to whether John Wiliams actually could 
*do* 'eerie' or 'magical'.  
> And, he pretty much can't, he is wired very strongly into major 
keys and lush, heavily 
> orchestrated backgrounds.  You can tell the difference between the 
music for the first 
> movie, which is actually pretty decent and a growth in style for 
him and where he barely 
> won the contract and was forced to show what he could do when 
pressed, and the second 
> and third movies in which he becomes more sure of himself and thus 
becomes 
> increasingly bland and boring.    The magic had IMO been 
thoroughly and completely 
> sucked out of the music of the movie series by the time the third 
one's credits were 
> rolling.
> 
> Good thing Almodovar is so interesting.
> 
> Minor and augmented keys, hollow chords, and irregular tempi are 
more typically 
> interpreted as eerie, strange or magical in people's minds.  By 
movie three they are mostly 
> gone and there was no chance anyone who cared about sound would 
renew the contract.  
> The dotted quarter notes pretty much just dissapear and you could 
just as well have had 
> the movie scored by Manheim Steamroller.
> 
> So, no I sure hope it wasn't accidental.  And, about time.  Good 
riddance.
> 
> I *liked* the 'Do the Hippogriff' scene and the music.  It was 
vivid, showed what JKR has 
> said elsewhere in that she wanted to show about wizarding kids 
being normal, and I liked 
> the music, too.  The required set-piece waltz was excellently 
done, and something 
> Williams would have sucked the life out of.
> 
> 
> 
> Sea Change, who has a catholic taste in music, but still can't 
stand rap

And now Lauren:
Hi Sea Change,
Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on your opinion that JW 
can't "do" eerie.  Did you actually listen to the PoA soundtrack?  
Eerie, magical, in fact, hauntingly beautiful, were written all over 
it.

JW has been composing music for movies for eons, and I don't agree 
in the least with your theory of his confidence growing with each 
movie.  He's composed for Jaws, Star Wars, Superman, Jurassic Park 
and many other well-known films.  I think he's had plenty of 
opportunities to get some self-esteem about himself before the HP 
series ever exisited!  Where did you get the idea that he barely won 
the contract for the HP films?  I've never heard that, and given the 
man's reputation, I would think that the producers would've surely 
considered him a top contender, if not the only contender.  Who else 
is more well-known than JW?

I loathed the Hippogriff music, and though I myself am not in high 
school currently, I can profess that I am not too far off yet.  Not 
that High School aged children are generally regarded for their 
expert taste in music.  The SCENE, on the other hand, I will say was 
nice at showing that magical children are not unlike muggle children 
in many ways.

Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid of JW 
at all!  Welcome back, I say!









From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 17:52:33 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:52:33 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e09lrt+vrvo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0bt51+ap3e@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Saundra" <saundradj@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hey, I just saw SS on TV, in fact I'm watching it again right 
now and
> > Ron did say "Oy peabrain".
> > 
> > Saundra
> > 
> Jen cuts in:
> My daughter heard "Hey pea-brain!" She could be wrong. I have a 
copy 
> of it on dvd. I could listen with the caps on and be definitive, 
> couldn't I? I'll just have to do that.
> jen d.
> > 
> >

And now Lauren:
This makes makes me think of something strange that I noticed... In 
Goblet of Fire, after Harry opens the golden egg in the common room 
and Ron and Harry are finally talking again, I swear I heard Ron 
say, "I suppose I was in a bit of a strop", which is distinctly a 
British thing to say, and in total context as well.  But then I had 
the closed captioning on (I live in an apartment above a person who 
loves to play his guitar 24/7) and it said "I suppose I was a bit 
distraught".  But I wonder if that's what he actually said, because 
CC doesn't always say word for word what the person says, sometimes 
it summarizes or changes words.  Any thoughts on this?






From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 17:53:00 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (jeffschick16)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:53:00 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
Message-ID: <e0bt5s+6kkc@eGroups.com>


I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, I'm still fairly new to 
the list.  But for those of us who have already read OotP, what do you 
guys think they will for sure take out?  I know some of us were excited 
about hearing that the fireworks were going to be in the movie.  I 
personally was kind of disappointed to hear that Grawp was going to be 
in it.  Having read HBP I didn't see the significance with having 
scenes with him.  I guess they do have to account for Hagrid's bruises 
and he does save the kids from the centuners (sp?), sorry I don't have 
my book with me at work to spell that correctly.  But I think they 
wouldn't have any trouble getting around it.  The reason I bring this 
up is because Yates seem very apologetic about what's going to be taken 
out, so it makes me think some really good things will be gone.  Plus 
it's the longest book yet for HP, so I wonder how far they'll take it.  
And I remember Newell said something like they broke GoF down to only 
scenes directly related to Harry, or something like that.  Anyway, any 
thoughts?

Candace







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 28 18:00:17 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:00:17 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
References: <e0bovu+lq4s@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c65291$78ba5210$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com>
>
> Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid of JW
> at all!  Welcome back, I say!
>
>
>
Is this confirmed now? I had not heard that. I have to say I'm in the camp
for Pat Doyle beating Williams hands down on these scores. There are about 4
tracks off of POA I can relisten too. The first two movies are fine for what
they are but I'm really glad he didn't do GOF. I can only hope to be
pleasantly surprised by OoTP if he is indeed back.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 28 18:04:18 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:04:18 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British vs. American versions
References: <e0bt51+ap3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <002401c65292$08247e30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British vs. American versions


> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Saundra" <saundradj@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, I just saw SS on TV, in fact I'm watching it again right
> now and
> > > Ron did say "Oy peabrain".
> > >
> > > Saundra
> > >
> > Jen cuts in:
> > My daughter heard "Hey pea-brain!" She could be wrong. I have a
> copy
> > of it on dvd. I could listen with the caps on and be definitive,
> > couldn't I? I'll just have to do that.
> > jen d.
> > >
> > >
>
> And now Lauren:
> This makes makes me think of something strange that I noticed... In
> Goblet of Fire, after Harry opens the golden egg in the common room
> and Ron and Harry are finally talking again, I swear I heard Ron
> say, "I suppose I was in a bit of a strop", which is distinctly a
> British thing to say, and in total context as well.  But then I had
> the closed captioning on (I live in an apartment above a person who
> loves to play his guitar 24/7) and it said "I suppose I was a bit
> distraught".  But I wonder if that's what he actually said, because
> CC doesn't always say word for word what the person says, sometimes
> it summarizes or changes words.  Any thoughts on this?
>
I hear him say 'distraught'. Never thought it was anything else. (That's a
pretty British saying too actually. Where as we Merkins tend to say upset or
distressed.)





From rkdas at charter.net  Tue Mar 28 18:21:16 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:21:16 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e0bt51+ap3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0buqs+rr09@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" 
<laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
>
>Re: language in the films
> 
> And now Lauren:
> This makes makes me think of something strange that I noticed... 
In 
> Goblet of Fire, after Harry opens the golden egg in the common 
room 
> and Ron and Harry are finally talking again, I swear I heard Ron 
> say, "I suppose I was in a bit of a strop", which is distinctly a 
> British thing to say, and in total context as well.  But then I 
had 
> the closed captioning on (I live in an apartment above a person 
who 
> loves to play his guitar 24/7) and it said "I suppose I was a bit 
> distraught".  But I wonder if that's what he actually said, 
because 
> CC doesn't always say word for word what the person says, 
sometimes 
> it summarizes or changes words.  Any thoughts on this?

Lauren,
I heard the "bit distraught" from the get-go. Never the more British 
phrase at all. I heard it best in the IMAX version. Have you seen 
the IMAX? The sound was awesomely clear. Things I never heard before 
came out. 
2ndly, in my version of PS/SS, Ron did say "Hey Pea-brain!" 
according to the captions. So our ears are functioning. Are there no 
Brits out there that can tell us if the dialogue was different for 
the British versions? Just wondering.

Jen D.
>







From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 18:25:57 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:25:57 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions  - Distraught
In-Reply-To: <e0bt51+ap3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0bv3l+a8na@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley"
<laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:

> 
> And now Lauren:
> ... I swear I heard Ron 
> say, "I suppose I was in a bit of a strop", which is distinctly a 
> British thing to say, and in total context as well.  But then I had 
> the closed captioning ... and it said "I suppose I was a bit 
> distraught".  But I wonder if that's what he actually said, ...
>


bboyminn:

For what it's worth, I heard the word 'distraught' on each viewing of
the movie which is about four times so far; twice in theater and twice
at home. (I know, I'm a rookie.)

Off on another subject, in another group, people were complaining
about some of the dialog, saying that real people and especially real
teens don't talk that way. This specifically refers to the time when
Harry said something like 'Hark, who's talking' in response to
something Hermione said. Translated, it is rougly the same as 'Look
who's talking', implying that Hermione was saying one thing and doing
another.

However, when we see any of the cast in interviews, they all seem very
educated, intelligent, and articulate, and they all use language that
reflects that. Even in the book, none of the characters is prone to
common modern slang in their speech. Personally, I think this is a
good thing. If the books were overfilled with modern day street slang,
the books would become very out of date very quickly. 

Further, only teens who have ready access to the modern world and it's
shopping mall pseudo-black hip-hop generic-wanna-be culture ever pick
that language up. Harry lived a sheltered life, and is not likely to
pick up 'cool' slang from his peers. Ron and friends are even more
isolated by being wizards, so we are not likely to hear him say things
like 'yo, dawg' or 'fershizzle'.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 18:35:41 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:35:41 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <000b01c65291$78ba5210$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e0bvlt+jbtf@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley at ...>
> >
> > Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid 
of JW
> > at all!  Welcome back, I say!
> >
> >
> >
> Is this confirmed now? I had not heard that. I have to say I'm in 
the camp
> for Pat Doyle beating Williams hands down on these scores. There 
are about 4
> tracks off of POA I can relisten too. The first two movies are 
fine for what
> they are but I'm really glad he didn't do GOF. I can only hope to 
be
> pleasantly surprised by OoTP if he is indeed back.

And now Lauren:
I know it isn't a super-reliable source, but IMDB 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373889/fullcredits says it, and I know 
I read it somewhere else a while back, just can't recall where.







From rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 28 18:53:36 2006
From: rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com (Robin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:53:36 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What will be deleted from OotP???
References: <e0bt5s+6kkc@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <007401c65298$eba73bb0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>

I don't suppose they'll probably have any Quidditch.  They didn't in PoA and that book wasn't nearly as long.  They should be showing the twins leaving Hogwarts (since they're showing the firework prank), and the twins will have to accio the brooms to them (of course the brooms were in Umbridges office because of the Quidditch banning).  They don't have to show where the brooms are coming from, though.  But with no quidditch, we wouldn't get to see Ron as Keeper, or the big brawl with Harry, George, and Draco which got Harry, George, and Fred banned from Quidditch.

Nope, I don't see there being any Quidditch this movie either, even though I would love to see those two pummel Malfoy. LOL!

Robin 
  I'm sorry if this has been discussed already, I'm still fairly new to 
  the list.  But for those of us who have already read OotP, what do you 
  guys think they will for sure take out?  I know some of us were excited 
  about hearing that the fireworks were going to be in the movie.  I 
  personally was kind of disappointed to hear that Grawp was going to be 
  in it.  Having read HBP I didn't see the significance with having 
  scenes with him.  I guess they do have to account for Hagrid's bruises 
  and he does save the kids from the centuners (sp?), sorry I don't have 
  my book with me at work to spell that correctly.  But I think they 
  wouldn't have any trouble getting around it.  The reason I bring this 
  up is because Yates seem very apologetic about what's going to be taken 
  out, so it makes me think some really good things will be gone.  Plus 
  it's the longest book yet for HP, so I wonder how far they'll take it.  
  And I remember Newell said something like they broke GoF down to only 
  scenes directly related to Harry, or something like that.  Anyway, any 
  thoughts?


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 28 19:27:37 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:27:37 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: British vs. American versions  - Distraught
References: <e0bv3l+a8na@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c6529d$abdf2970$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
> Off on another subject, in another group, people were complaining
> about some of the dialog, saying that real people and especially real
> teens don't talk that way. This specifically refers to the time when
> Harry said something like 'Hark, who's talking' in response to
> something Hermione said. Translated, it is rougly the same as 'Look
> who's talking', implying that Hermione was saying one thing and doing
> another.
>

kchuplis:
Besides, "Hark, who's talking" is kind of faceatious. It's not like he is
seriously using the term "Hark" (as though suddenly slipping into
Shakespeare). The manner in which it is used didn't seem odd to me at all.
And, yes, you are right about the actors themselves. They are extremely
articulate (well, Rupert is when he isn't being all shy and self effacing.
He doesn't seem to like the limelight much) and certainly Dan and Emma come
off as very intelligent and erudite for their age. Harry, well, he's spent a
LOT of time around Hermione. That kind of thing does rub off and there is a
lot of "off page" time spent in the library and such with her as well.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue Mar 28 19:32:12 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:32:12 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] What will be deleted from OotP???
References: <e0bt5s+6kkc@eGroups.com> <007401c65298$eba73bb0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <001801c6529e$501c4c20$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin" <rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] What will be deleted from OotP???


> I don't suppose they'll probably have any Quidditch.  They didn't in PoA
and that book wasn't nearly as long.  They should be showing the twins
leaving Hogwarts (since they're showing the firework prank), and the twins
will have to accio the brooms to them (of course the brooms were in
Umbridges office because of the Quidditch banning).  They don't have to show
where the brooms are coming from, though.  But with no quidditch, we
wouldn't get to see Ron as Keeper, or the big brawl with Harry, George, and
Draco which got Harry, George, and Fred banned from Quidditch.
>

kchuplis:
I'm not so sure on that. We actually did see a bit of Quidditch in PoA
(where Harry falls off his broom - actually, the only quidditch footage I've
cared for out of the films. I thought that was just a great bit). They don't
have to do the whole match. Getting banned from Quidditch is a bit important
as it is the impetous for Fred and George to leave. I'm a bit bummed that
since we never have seen Peeves we won't now and I will miss seeing Maggie
Smith walk primly by Peeves and saying "the *other* way'.





From saundradj at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 28 21:39:42 2006
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:39:42 -0000
Subject: British vs. American versions
In-Reply-To: <e0bt51+ap3e@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0caeu+asur@eGroups.com>



--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley"
<laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" rkdas@
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Saundra" <saundradj@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey, I just saw SS on TV, in fact I'm watching it again right
> now and
> > > Ron did say "Oy peabrain".
> > >
> > > Saundra
> > >
> > Jen cuts in:
> > My daughter heard "Hey pea-brain!" She could be wrong. I have a
> copy
> > of it on dvd. I could listen with the caps on and be definitive,
> > couldn't I? I'll just have to do that.
> > jen d.
> > >
> > >
>
> And now Lauren:
> This makes makes me think of something strange that I noticed... In
> Goblet of Fire, after Harry opens the golden egg in the common room
> and Ron and Harry are finally talking again, I swear I heard Ron
> say, "I suppose I was in a bit of a strop", which is distinctly a
> British thing to say, and in total context as well. But then I had
> the closed captioning on (I live in an apartment above a person who
> loves to play his guitar 24/7) and it said "I suppose I was a bit
> distraught". But I wonder if that's what he actually said, because
> CC doesn't always say word for word what the person says, sometimes
> it summarizes or changes words. Any thoughts on this?
>

In GoF, I heard Ron say to Harry "I was a bit distraught"

Saundra






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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 28 21:43:08 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:43:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <1143574285.600.38311.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060328214308.55948.qmail@web60916.mail.yahoo.com>

I don?t think they would get rid of Quidditch either.  Harry gets banned from playing that?s very important. They don?t have to show the entire match but I hope they will at least show some of Ron on a broom, that should be funny!lol  I know I would also looooovvvee to see the fight with Draco, I think that would be awesome.  Also the entire Ron being keeper, and Ginny seeker is important for the 6th book because *******if you haven?t read HBP look away lol********* Ron?s still keeper, thanks to Hermoine, and also that?s the moment Ginny and Harry get together when they win the cup, so the scenes in OotP are important foreshadowing I guess (like the whole Cho hype for GoF, her hype was really for OotP in my opinion).  Well I guess since it?s so important to me, it will be cut.  Hopefully it will at least be in the additional scenes.
  I also think they may cut down some of the trial.  What scares me is that the end battle will be highly edited and that would REALLY suck because that?s what I?ve been looking forward to the most for the big screen.






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From rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com  Tue Mar 28 22:11:44 2006
From: rgrimes1979 at mchsi.com (Robin)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:11:44 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
References: <20060328214308.55948.qmail@web60916.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c652b4$995c1ee0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>

True.  I hope they don't cut all Quidditch out, but I don't see them keeping a lot of it in because of time constraints.  I do agree that the being banned from Quidditch is important to the story in a way, especially for the next movie, so we definitely should see that fight (I really really want to see that fight).  I also hope they don't rush the final battle, because that is kind of the most imporant part of the story. LOL!   Not sure how much of the trial they'd keep in, but that's gonna have to be in there.  I noticed that Percy is back, so whatever scenes he was in (he was in the trial scene), they'll probably have.  Obviously there will be some occulmency training with Snape and Snapes Worst Memory because Young James Potter has been confirmed.

They might cut all the house cleaning out.  I noticed they cut Dobby and Winky out of GoF.  Suppose they'll have Kreacher in there?

Robin




  <<<I don't think they would get rid of Quidditch either.  Harry gets banned from playing that's very important. They don't have to show the entire match but I hope they will at least show some of Ron on a broom, that should be funny!lol  I know I would also looooovvvee to see the fight with Draco, I think that would be awesome.  Also the entire Ron being keeper, and Ginny seeker is important for the 6th book because *******if you haven't read HBP look away lol********* Ron's still keeper, thanks to Hermoine, and also that's the moment Ginny and Harry get together when they win the cup, so the scenes in OotP are important foreshadowing I guess (like the whole Cho hype for GoF, her hype was really for OotP in my opinion).  Well I guess since it's so important to me, it will be cut.  Hopefully it will at least be in the additional scenes.
    I also think they may cut down some of the trial.  What scares me is that the end battle will be highly edited and that would REALLY suck because that's what I've been looking forward to the most for the big screen.>>>


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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Mar 29 00:01:12 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:01:12 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1449
Message-ID: <244.976d71f.315b2848@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2006 2:32:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

Robin  wrote:  I don't suppose they'll probably have any Quidditch.  They  
didn't in PoA and that book wasn't nearly as long.  They should be  showing the 
twins leaving Hogwarts (since they're showing the firework prank),  and the 
twins will have to accio the brooms to them (of course the brooms were  in 
Umbridges office because of the Quidditch banning).  They don't have  to show where 
the brooms are coming from, though.  But with no quidditch,  we wouldn't get 
to see Ron as Keeper, or the big brawl with Harry, George, and  Draco which 
got Harry, George, and Fred banned from Quidditch.

Nope, I  don't see there being any Quidditch this movie either, even though I 
would  love to see those two pummel Malfoy. LOL!


And now me:  Rupert said he was looking forward to playing  Quidditch in OoP 
during at least one interview in recent months, and he finally  remembered 
that there's a song involved ("Weasley is our King").  I think  they'll keep that 
in there, particularly as Ron finally winning a game is done  when Harry and 
Hermione are off with Hagrid meeting Grawp - it's just too big a  deal for 
them to miss his saving all those goals to leave it out.  And I  can't wait to 
see him ruffling his hair and trying to look cool while bragging  on his efforts 
in that game - should be a hoot!  So I hope there's at least  that much 
Quidditch in the film!  And there'd have to be the fight after  the game that got 
Fred, George and Harry all suspended from playing, too.   So yeah, Quidditch 
should be a fairly strong presence in the OoP film at least  twice!
 
Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/




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From artsylynda at aol.com  Wed Mar 29 00:02:52 2006
From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:02:52 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Digest Number 1449
Message-ID: <22c.92b7eec.315b28ac@aol.com>

 
 
In a message dated 3/28/2006 2:32:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com writes:

I'm a  bit bummed that
since we never have seen Peeves we won't now and I will  miss seeing Maggie
Smith walk primly by Peeves and saying "the *other*  way'.


Yes!!  And wouldn't it be great to see Peeves chasing Umbridge  while 
whacking her with McG's cane???  Maybe they'll include Peeves in this  film - he has 
a lot of cool scenes in the book!  

Lynda AKA "Abraxan"

Read my Harry Potter fics here:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/





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From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Wed Mar 29 01:12:17 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:12:17 -0500
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <1143574285.600.38311.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1143574285.600.38311.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C820E4F496B8AC-155C-85C@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com>

Robin:
I don't suppose they'll probably have any Quidditch.  They didn't in PoA and 
that book wasn't nearly as long.  They should be showing the twins leaving 
Hogwarts (since they're showing the firework prank), and the twins will have to 
accio the brooms to them (of course the brooms were in Umbridges office because 
of the Quidditch banning).  They don't have to show where the brooms are coming 
from, though.  But with no quidditch, we wouldn't get to see Ron as Keeper, or 
the big brawl with Harry, George, and Draco which got Harry, George, and Fred 
banned from Quidditch.

Jade:
I would be very surprised if they leave the Quidditch out in this film. The game actually involves multiple characters and plot. Harry, Ron, and the Weasley twins specifically. If there is going to be emphasis on how evil Umbridge is, the Quidditch match is the first thing that comes to my mind (and I LOVED Harry taking down Malfoy...sorry...I had been waiting a long time for that). I don't think this can be easily whisked away as it may have been possible in PoA and GoF.


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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed Mar 29 05:43:23 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 00:43:23 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <000b01c652b4$995c1ee0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>
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 <000b01c652b4$995c1ee0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>
Message-ID: <ba2be9f38d83a0b5a34096733e8ece41@verizon.net>


On Mar 28, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Robin wrote:

> True.? I hope they don't cut all Quidditch out, but I don't see them 
> keeping a lot of it in because of time constraints.? I do agree that 
> the being banned from Quidditch is important to the story in a way, 
> especially for the next movie, so we definitely should see that fight 
> (I really really want to see that fight).? I also hope they don't rush 
> the final battle, because that is kind of the most imporant part of 
> the story. LOL!?? Not sure how much of the trial they'd keep in, but 
> that's gonna have to be in there.? I noticed that Percy is back, so 
> whatever scenes he was in (he was in the trial scene), they'll 
> probably have.? Obviously there will be some occulmency training with 
> Snape and Snapes Worst Memory because Young James Potter has been 
> confirmed.
>
>  They might cut all the house cleaning out.? I noticed they cut Dobby 
> and Winky out of GoF.? Suppose they'll have Kreacher in there?
>
>  Robin

In the Cast interview on the GOF DVD, Rupert mentions that he is 
looking forward to his Quidditch scenes. 'Course he may not have known 
at the time exactly what he would be filming.
They also mentioned something about meeting Ron's 2 older brothers for 
the first time. I don't even remember them in OOP?
I bet they will ditch Kreacher, since they ditched  Dobby and Winky. It 
did somewhat bug me in GOF that they changed the story so that Neville 
gives Harry the gillyweed instead of Dobby. Wonder how they would 
change the plot as to how Sirius comes to arrive at the Ministry?
Also in the DVD they said they will be filming the DA scenes. I can't 
wait to see what Imelda Staunton does with Umbridge!!! What an evil 
woman. I hated her as much as Voldemort!
I guess she does get carried off by the centaurs because they said they 
already filmed that part. Grawp wasn't a favorite of mine either. Kind 
of irrelevant. I'll bet they don't film or even talk about when Hagrid 
and Mme. Maxime go visit the giants. They didn't bring that up at the 
end of the movie, as they did in the book. As previously mentioned the 
director opted for a happy, uplifting ending to the GOF movie, as 
opposed to the foreshadowing of the Order of the Phoenix.
I'm looking forward to seeing Lupin again. David Thewlis is booked, 
yes? And Tonks will be a fun character, as well as Luna. I thought they 
might leave Luna out altogether as she really is not an integral part 
of the plot. They could have left her out of the whole ministry thing. 
But she is a very colorful character and I'm glad she's in the movie.
Valerie


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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed Mar 29 06:19:53 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 01:19:53 EST
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Bland John WIlliams
Message-ID: <312.15174d8.315b8109@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/28/06 11:46:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com writes:


> And now Lauren:
> Hi Sea Change,
> Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on your opinion that JW 
> can't "do" eerie.  Did you actually listen to the PoA soundtrack?  
> Eerie, magical, in fact, hauntingly beautiful, were written all over 
> it.
> 
> JW has been composing music for movies for eons, and I don't agree 
> in the least with your theory of his confidence growing with each 
> movie.  He's composed for Jaws, Star Wars, Superman, Jurassic Park 
> and many other well-known films.  I think he's had plenty of 
> opportunities to get some self-esteem about himself before the HP 
> series ever exisited!  Where did you get the idea that he barely won 
> the contract for the HP films?  I've never heard that, and given the 
> man's reputation, I would think that the producers would've surely 
> considered him a top contender, if not the only contender.  Who else 
> is more well-known than JW?
> 
> I loathed the Hippogriff music, and though I myself am not in high 
> school currently, I can profess that I am not too far off yet.  Not 
> that High School aged children are generally regarded for their 
> expert taste in music.  The SCENE, on the other hand, I will say was 
> nice at showing that magical children are not unlike muggle children 
> in many ways.
> 
> Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid of JW 
> at all!  Welcome back, I say!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Sandy here:
Thank you Lauren! As I said in an earlier post, I have the SS sountrack and 
listen to it often, and I can't think of anyone who could have done better 
composing for HP than John Williams. His compositions for HP are everything you 
said, and I think they are beautiful. I did not buy the other two soundtracks 
because they were repetitive of the first with only a couple of new scores for 
the other two. One of my favorite pieces of music from PoA is Harry riding 
Buckbeak -- love that piece. I sorely missed JW in GoF, and like you, I loathed Do 
The Hippogriff. Since I am only a couple of years away from my retirement I 
chalked it off to my age -- glad to know a young person feels likewise. I 
hadn't heard that JW would be back for Phoenix, glad to know it. 





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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar 29 12:08:38 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:08:38 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <ba2be9f38d83a0b5a34096733e8ece41@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e0dtc6+c4b7@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
>Lots of snips and tucks

 Grawp wasn't a favorite of mine either. Kind 
> of irrelevant. 

jen D. here,
Let's just suppose that as expensive as these films are to make, if 
Grawp is in OOTP, he must have some role to play down the line that 
would be very difficult to explain if he just "popped" at the proper 
time in the plot.

In fact, it's safe to say you won't see anything (except maybe an 
obligatory action sequence to jazz everyone) that isn't necessary in 
some odd, turned arounded, but logical (in movie logic, that is) 
terms.

Mike Newell was very skillful in using and deleting things from the 
book. He did put in some of his own stuff, the ball was creatively 
embellished, but he also knew how to get info across while 
eliminating what we previously thought were important characters 
such as Dobby. I am trying my best (while juggling too many other 
duties) to find the post our departed friend Richard did, detailing 
what he thought OOTP would look like. Yahoomort is a difficult 
search engine but I will get a reference to it up on this board. I 
think it answered a lot of the questions all of you guys, (newbies 
and oldsters) have been posing. He demonstrated how you could put 
together a credible story, cover all the bases and get done in less 
than 3 hours...
Jen D.
I'll bet they don't film or even talk about when Hagrid 
> and Mme. Maxime go visit the giants. They didn't bring that up at 
the 
> end of the movie, as they did in the book. As previously mentioned 
the 
> director opted for a happy, uplifting ending to the GOF movie, as 
> opposed to the foreshadowing of the Order of the Phoenix.
> I'm looking forward to seeing Lupin again. David Thewlis is 
booked, 
> yes? And Tonks will be a fun character, as well as Luna. I thought 
they 
> might leave Luna out altogether as she really is not an integral 
part 
> of the plot. They could have left her out of the whole ministry 
thing. 
> But she is a very colorful character and I'm glad she's in the 
movie.
> Valerie
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







From tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 29 14:14:13 2006
From: tallcarabians at sbcglobal.net (Rae Callaway)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:14:13 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <e0dtc6+c4b7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1576048072.5049.hpfgu-movie@archive.hpfgu.org>

Jen - here's Richard's post on OOTP.  I've been saving it to compare to the
movie when it comes out.  I think he did an excellent job of condensing the
book and will be eager to see how he did compared to the new director.

Rae


My latest reply to Steve in the parallel thread presents my views on some
aspects of what you're asking about: there is certainly a self-contained
story to be told.

However, as you said, much of the book is devoted to the underlying plot of
the series as a whole and filling in lots of gaps in the back-story, while
paving the way for future events.  One of the reasons why I disliked OotP as
a book is because many of those details seemed to be a bit forced. This is
even more pronounced in HBP, which is primarily about Tom Riddle's
youth: everything else in the story acts as a scaffold on which to hang that
back-story: HBP will therefore be even more difficult to make into a
self-contained film *about Harry*. But we won't worry about HBP for a while.
Let's get back to OotP.

Here are some of my thoughts about OotP's contents  (in no particular
order):

Pieces of information not directly related to the immediate plot (political
intrigue), which could potentially wait until the movie in which they're
resolved:

- Petunia knows more about the magical world than she's letting on
- MWPP & Co as teenagers
- Luna and her mysterious ways (which MUST have a payoff in Book Seven!)
- details about Regulus (assuming he's "R.A.B.")
- Potential fireworks in the Weasley-Prewitt background

Things which don't specifically take the plot forward, but deserve mention:
- Harry-Seamus tensions (and Neville's support)
- Quiddich try-outs
- F&G testing products
- Phineas Nigellus

Things which can easily be left out:
- All but one DADA class
- Quidditch (it's what happens *after* matches, rather than during them,
that's important, and even then, not to the main plot as such)
- SPEW
- Careers advice
- Most of Capslock!Harry (Please!)
- Hogwarts Express
- Potions lessons
- Teacher inspections
- Letter from Percy (?)

Stuff that can be re-written:
- COMC classes become just one, about Thestrals
- Two stays at 12GP at beginning become one (not sure about Xmas visit) -
main purpose is to see the tapestry and discuss its contents
- Umbridge arrives at Hogwarts as High Inquisitor from the outset
- Room of Requirement (not sure it's needed; no Dobby anyway)
- Get rid of Kreacher; his main role in the plot is to mislead Harry at the
end: this can be Mrs Black's portrait
- Cho limited to one intimate conversation (apart from DA)
- Dept. of Mysteries could be limited to JUST the prophecy and veil rooms
(no universe, time-turner, etc rooms)

Stuff which must stay, and why (if not obvious):

- Dementor attack (explained elsewhere)
- visiting MoM & hearing (mirror of visit to Diagon Alley in PS/SS)
- 12GP (setting up Harry and Sirius & explaining his background)
- detention (could be just one) (Umbridge's cruelty)
- Harry & F&G disqualified from Quidditch (leads to their Grand Departure)
- Sirius in fireplace at least once (mirror of GoF, sets up the climax)
- at least two DA meetings (plus setup)
- Hagrid's tale & Grawp (much as I dislike the idea, but we know it's
included)
- attack on Arthur, St Mungo's, (mainly to get Neville's family background)
- Occlumency plus pensieve (perhaps just one scene)
- meeting in Dumbledore's office & his "disappearance" (he has to leave)
- F&G's Big Departure (with or without swamp) :-)
- flying Thestrals to London
- prophecy room
- veil room :-(
- Harry-Bellatrix (crucio attempt)
- fight in the Atrium
- Dumbledore's debriefing (pensieve prophecy & explanation of Neville's
connection to it, Voldemort's mind connection, not sure about confirming
Snape's loyalty - it seems we're meant to know as little about him as
possible for now; *definitely* no recap of the last five years!)

Last shot: freeze frame of Daily Prophet announcement admitting that
Voldemort's back, fading to end credits

Plus
misc. scenes of Dumbledore's pointed ignoring of Harry during the year misc.
visions of the black door and round room It seems that Firenze's
important...
OWLs (short montage of taking exams)

Have I missed anything? I really can see all of that fitting into the target
2.5 hour running time.

<snip>

>If you can't get Jo to tell you what matters most (just what shouldn't
>happen) you have no compass and you have to fly blind.

Quite. All they can do is write a first draft, on which presumably JKR gives
her comments (which I can imagine are along the lines of "You can't do
THAT!", "What's happened to Scene X? It's important!"), so then they go off
and write a second draft and try to find out just WHY Scene X is important
("it has an impact on book seven" - "so we'll put it into film seven" -
"no!") and so on, and so forth.

As for Capslock!Harry, I suspect that he'll largely fall by the wayside, and
the moments when he loses his cool will be largely understandable. I'd like
Angry!Harry to be there for the the debriefing scene, though.

Anyway, it's taken forever to write all of that, so I shall shut up now. 
Can someone please make a note of this message number, and quote it back to
me when OotP comes out, so that everyone here can have a hearty laugh at my
expense, about just HOW wrong I got the production team's view of OotP? I
probably won't remember by that stage (I'm sure I did something similar
about GoF when it went into production, but there's no way I'm going to
battle with Yahoo! to try to find it...)

--
Richard, off to bed


-----Original Message-----
From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of susanbones2003
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:09 AM
To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???

>Lots of snips and tucks

jen D. here,

Mike Newell was very skillful in using and deleting things from the 
book. He did put in some of his own stuff, the ball was creatively 
embellished, but he also knew how to get info across while 
eliminating what we previously thought were important characters 
such as Dobby. I am trying my best (while juggling too many other 
duties) to find the post our departed friend Richard did, detailing 
what he thought OOTP would look like. Yahoomort is a difficult 
search engine but I will get a reference to it up on this board. I 
think it answered a lot of the questions all of you guys, (newbies 
and oldsters) have been posing. He demonstrated how you could put 
together a credible story, cover all the bases and get done in less 
than 3 hours...
Jen D.





From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar 29 14:41:38 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 08:41:38 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
References: <20060329141438.XZRZ12566.ispmxaamta01-gx.alltel.net@n27.bullet.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001201c6533e$e2a045b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

> As for Capslock!Harry, I suspect that he'll largely fall by the wayside,
and
> the moments when he loses his cool will be largely understandable. I'd
like
> Angry!Harry to be there for the the debriefing scene, though.
>

kchuplis:

I just think that capslock!Harry is very important. Now, it can't come off
as petulant or bratty, but moody, confused, frustrated, yes. I think after
GoF and being kept in the dark COMPLETELY, totally justifies it and it just
seems wrong to have some kind of larky Harry going into OoTP. I also think
the direct connection with LV and things not being right in his big comeback
are also a huge influence on him. I loved the whole "Harry felt like some
kind of emotional tuner" (sic) for LV. But Harry has *got* to be different
in OoTP. He's gone through a huge chnage, a huge trauma and he is not being
treated as though any of that happened and that he should just be "normal"
and let others worry. I think sometimes people misread what all the CAPS are
about in OoTP.





From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 17:39:12 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:39:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <001201c6533e$e2a045b0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <20060329173912.62241.qmail@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Long, long ago, Richard speculated:
As for Capslock!Harry, I suspect that he'll largely fall by the  wayside, and the moments when he loses his cool will be largely understandable. I'd like Angry!Harry to be there for the the debriefing scene, though.
 
 
 kchuplis ruminated:
 
 I just think that capslock!Harry is very important. Now, it can't come off as petulant or bratty, but moody, confused, frustrated, yes. 
<snipping for brevity, although I agree - hah! sneaked a "me, too" in there!>

But Harry has *got* to be different in OoTP. He's gone through a huge chnage, a huge trauma and he is not being treated as though any of that happened and that he should just be "normal" and let others worry. I think sometimes people misread what all the CAPS are about in OoTP.
 
 akh now:

I read in one of the interviews accessible through The Leaky Cauldron (and probably Mugglenet and an assortment of other HP sites) that Dan Radcliffe was discussing Harry's emotional state with psychologists to understand how to play Harry in movie five.  Given that they left him on his own, more or less, for the graveyard scene in GOF, this says to me that they're expecting believable signs of post-traumatic stress disorder (which I think is largely what JKR is depicting in his behavior) in his performance.
     
akh, who would look up the interview reference, but she's pushing her private message privileges at work as it is...


		
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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar 29 14:31:18 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:31:18 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
Message-ID: <e0e5nm+uuio@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Rae Callaway" 
<tallcarabians at ...> wrote:
>
> Jen - here's Richard's post on OOTP.  I've been saving it to 
compare to the
> movie when it comes out.  I think he did an excellent job of 
condensing the
> book and will be eager to see how he did compared to the new 
director.
> 
> Rae
> 
Rae,
You are a jewel. Thank you so much. I will copy and save this post 
too. It's really definitive and I so hope the film makers follow 
something like this. It makes sense and weeds through the many, many 
plot lines, some necessary and some not. OOTP is my least favorite 
of the books so far and I have been dreading (is that possible...) 
this film, of all the films. But Richard's outline made it seem that 
this could be a positive experience! (If losing Sirius could be 
positive? I don't know if I am ready for that.)

But again Rae, you are a life-saver!
Jen D.






From maribelnm63 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 29 14:12:51 2006
From: maribelnm63 at yahoo.com (maribelnm63)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:12:51 -0000
Subject: GoF Released in Spain!
Message-ID: <e0e4l3+ihbv@eGroups.com>

Hello:

Yesterday I bought my brand-new copy of the GoF Special Edition in 
Spain, it was the release date. I went through the "Additional Features"
disk I got very dissapointed when I realized that they have removed 
some of the most interesting stuff:
Nothing about the following:

"Breathtaking Making-of Featurettes and Behind-the-Scenes Including:
    -Harry vs. the Horntail: The First Task
    -In Too Deep: The Second Task
    -The Maze: The Third Task
    -Meet the Champions
    -He Who Must Not Be Named"

The Yule Ball was included. So no making-of or behind the scenes for 
the three tasks!.

A friend of mine is thinking about getting it from UK, where we expect
the missing features will be available, but I have not been able to 
find the special edition in Amazon.co.uk.

Could someone living in UK tell me if (s)he has already got the Special
edition and where?. And also if the missing making-off is included in 
the UK version?.

Talking about what can be removed from the OotP...Does anyone know if 
the "Dursleys" have been cast?. They are not in the offcial list of 
actors in the film. Do you think that they will skip the Dementors and 
the hearing scenes? This would mean that they will remove 8 chapters 
out of 38...too bad.

Cheers and thanks for your attention
Maribel










From myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net  Wed Mar 29 21:05:05 2006
From: myrrhmyrrh at netzero.net (myrrh321)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:05:05 -0000
Subject: Bland John WIlliams
In-Reply-To: <e0bvlt+jbtf@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0esq1+tp94@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley"
<laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "laurenmcoakley" <laurenmcoakley@>
> > >
> > > Good riddance?  Well, he'll be back for OoTP, so we're not rid 
> of JW
> > > at all!  Welcome back, I say!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Is this confirmed now? I had not heard that. I have to say I'm in 
> the camp
> > for Pat Doyle beating Williams hands down on these scores. There 
> are about 4
> > tracks off of POA I can relisten too. The first two movies are 
> fine for what
> > they are but I'm really glad he didn't do GOF. I can only hope to 
> be
> > pleasantly surprised by OoTP if he is indeed back.
> 
> And now Lauren:
> I know it isn't a super-reliable source, but IMDB 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0373889/fullcredits says it, and I know 
> I read it somewhere else a while back, just can't recall where.
>
>From DeNece:
I'm in the JW Camp! While I don't have any great objections to the
Patrick Doyle soundtrack: I found his scores for the movie to just be
bland... none of the music stood out like on any of the JW scores. And
the ending credits music--it is dreadful--not a single hint of it
being a Harry Potter movie. I left the room for a moment and when I
came back the music reminded me of the music to 'Love Actually'(which
I loved, but this was supposed to be Harry Ptter...) I had to check
to see if my dvd had stopped playing and was o  n a movie station.







From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar 29 21:24:38 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:24:38 -0000
Subject: Standing corrected....
Message-ID: <e0etum+aput@eGroups.com>


Hi all,
I mentioned earlier that Richard didn't think Dan could pull off 
a "CAPSLOCK Harry" and then I went hunting for what I remembered him 
writing and OOOPS! He had the same reason as me! 
Read below:

Richard wrote in message# 11748
"The main reason I'd like a limit on Capslock!Harry is similar: I 
simply don't think Dan can pull off Harry being seriously unlikeable 
without undermining the viewers' sympathy. Much as readers are 
encouraged to dislike Harry's excesses during the book, we understand 
part of what he's going through and empathise with his predicament. If 
his energy and rage is less petulant, he can still be a believable 
teenager without alienating the audience."

So, embarrassingly enough, Richard got out in front again!

Jen Das promising not to bring up or quote anyone no longer writing on 
this list for a long while!









From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar 29 22:12:04 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:12:04 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Standing corrected....
References: <e0etum+aput@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <001101c6537d$cfc4dac0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "susanbones2003" <rkdas at charter.net>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Standing corrected....


>
> Hi all,
> I mentioned earlier that Richard didn't think Dan could pull off
> a "CAPSLOCK Harry" and then I went hunting for what I remembered him
> writing and OOOPS! He had the same reason as me!
> Read below:
>
> Richard wrote in message# 11748
> "The main reason I'd like a limit on Capslock!Harry is similar: I
> simply don't think Dan can pull off Harry being seriously unlikeable
> without undermining the viewers' sympathy. Much as readers are
> encouraged to dislike Harry's excesses during the book, we understand
> part of what he's going through and empathise with his predicament. If
> his energy and rage is less petulant, he can still be a believable
> teenager without alienating the audience."
>
> So, embarrassingly enough, Richard got out in front again!
>
> Jen Das promising not to bring up or quote anyone no longer writing on
> this list for a long while!

kchuplis:

Why is Capslock!Harry seriously unlikeable? I did not find Harry unlikeable
at all in Book 5. "don't think Dan can pull off Harry being seriously
unlikeable without undermining the viewers' sympathy." seems to imply Harry
*was* unlikeable. I don't understand this reasoning.





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar 29 22:25:02 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:25:02 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry....
In-Reply-To: <001101c6537d$cfc4dac0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e0f1fu+5hb1@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...>
> To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 3:24 PM
> Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Standing corrected....
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I mentioned earlier that Richard didn't think Dan could pull off
> > a "CAPSLOCK Harry" and then I went hunting for what I remembered 
him
> > writing and OOOPS! He had the same reason as me!
> > Read below:
> >
> > Richard wrote in message# 11748
> > "The main reason I'd like a limit on Capslock!Harry is similar: I
> > simply don't think Dan can pull off Harry being seriously 
unlikeable
> > without undermining the viewers' sympathy. Much as readers are
> > encouraged to dislike Harry's excesses during the book, we 
understand
> > part of what he's going through and empathise with his 
predicament. If
> > his energy and rage is less petulant, he can still be a 
believable
> > teenager without alienating the audience."
> >
> > So, embarrassingly enough, Richard got out in front again!
> >
> > Jen Das promising not to bring up or quote anyone no longer 
writing on
> > this list for a long while!
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> Why is Capslock!Harry seriously unlikeable? I did not find Harry 
unlikeable
> at all in Book 5. "don't think Dan can pull off Harry being 
seriously
> unlikeable without undermining the viewers' sympathy." seems to 
imply Harry
> *was* unlikeable. I don't understand this reasoning.


Hi Karen,
Richard was (oops! I promised not to mention him again...) drawing a 
distinction between serious fans who read the books and love them, 
and the general movie-going public. I know you and I could stand 
the "real" Harry of OOTP. We understand the agony he's going 
through, trying to grow up and also facing the most evil wizard ever 
and under what amounts to house arrest. But the general public, who 
may or may not have read Harry but is likely to see the movies no 
matter what, they may not have the stomach for a constantly angry, 
shouting Harry. Richard was just saying that he'll most likely be 
toned down a bit, still depict the normal teenage angst (I thought 
there was a good bit of angst in POA, by the way) and keep the 
audience's sympathies. The anger at the debriefing is something the 
audience could fully appreciate so no doubt it will be there. I 
don't know of anyone on this list, here or departed who dislikes or 
finds unnecessary CAPSLOCK! Harry. It's just the films cater to a 
wider world that may not find Dan regularly shouting at people to be 
captivating. 
'nuf said?
J







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed Mar 29 22:54:45 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:54:45 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry....
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Message-ID: <001401c65383$c61369a0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "susanbones2003" <rkdas at charter.net>
 The anger at the debriefing is something the
> audience could fully appreciate so no doubt it will be there.

kchuplis:

You are all very optomistic that the big grief/debriefing denouement will be
in the movie! When I saw how much they chopped the end of GoF I figured that
it was curtains for very much of the end of OoTP :D





From rkdas at charter.net  Wed Mar 29 23:21:25 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:21:25 -0000
Subject: Likability of CAPSLOCK! Harry....
In-Reply-To: <001401c65383$c61369a0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...>
>  The anger at the debriefing is something the
> > audience could fully appreciate so no doubt it will be there.
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> You are all very optomistic that the big grief/debriefing 
denouement will be
> in the movie! When I saw how much they chopped the end of GoF I 
figured that
> it was curtains for very much of the end of OoTP :D

Jen here,
You know, you are right, it could be deleted just as the entire 
final debriefing was in GOF. I think it would be more difficult to 
do it this time round seeing as Harry will have just witnessed his 
godfather's death(odd to call it that, even now it seems) and have 
been possessed by LV. And don't forget either, this debriefing isn't 
the normal garden variety. There's a lot of crashing around, 
breaking of objects, Harry emoting with ferocity... It seems just on 
the face of it, more cinematic in scope. Previous debriefs were a 
lot more of Harry sitting quietly, listening to Dumbledore explain 
events. God bless Chris Cololumbus for thinking those bits necessary 
(or whoever is responsible) because they did give a nice feel to the 
ends of those two movies. I will never cease to feel GOF had a 
hollow ending. I can't argue with you that cutting anything, no 
matter how important it apprears to readers, is possible. Just seems 
there is a greater likelihood this debriefing will get in.
What say you?
J
>







From dragonjcndm2 at aol.com  Thu Mar 30 00:11:47 2006
From: dragonjcndm2 at aol.com (dragonjcndm2 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:11:47 -0500
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
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kchuplis:

 I think after
GoF and being kept in the dark COMPLETELY, totally justifies it and it just
seems wrong to have some kind of larky Harry going into OoTP. 
 
 
Jade:
I think you're going to get that wish. I had read something about Dan having to work with a grief counselor for the film. Apparently, the emphasis of emotion doesn't seem to be lost in this upcoming film.


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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 00:18:45 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:18:45 -0000
Subject: Standing corrected..shout, Shout!, SHOUT! and more.
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Message-ID: <e0f855+j5h0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi all,
> I mentioned earlier that Richard didn't think Dan could pull off 
> a "CAPSLOCK Harry" and then I went hunting for what I remembered
> him writing and OOOPS! He had the same reason as me! 
> Read below:
> 
> Richard wrote in message# 11748
> "The main reason I'd like a limit on Capslock!Harry is similar:
> I  simply don't think Dan can pull off Harry being seriously 
> unlikeable without undermining the viewers' sympathy. Much as 
> readers are encouraged to dislike Harry's excesses during the 
> book, we understand part of what he's going through and empathise
> with his predicament. If his energy and rage is less petulant, 
> he can still be a believable teenager without alienating the 
> audience."
> 
> ...
> 
> Jen Das promising not to bring up or quote anyone no longer 
> writing on this list for a long while!
>


bboyminn:

It depends on when in the story, and how Harry/Dan is in CAPSLOCK mode.

First let's make a distinction between screaming with rage, and
shouting in anger and frustration, and raising one's voice. In the
movie, a voiced raised in anger, raise to an appropraite degree should
serve the story just fine. 

In the beginning of the book, Harry is sufferring from prolonged
frustration at the isolation that is clearly forced on him. So he
shouts a bit, who wouldn't? If the movie can express Harry's angry
frustration, then his raised voice at the appropraite time can be
handled nicely, and followed by appropraite embarassment at his having
shouted at his friends.

Near the end of the book, in Dumbledore's office, after Sirius is
dead, if the closeness of their (Sirius/Harry) relationship, even if
it is only the illussion of their impression of the closeness of their
relationship, has been established then I think people will respond
appropriately to Harry shouting in grief. Especially since that
shouting is followed by Dumbledore's calm explanation. At the very
end, Harry has gone from shouting grief to a quite isolated grief. It
is an appropraite series of reactions, and if the movie establishes
the relationships and the mood, shouting Harry/Dan should play very well.

Keep in mind, that in the books, the author has a limited ability to
related speech. In condensed form, we have -

Shout.

Shout!

SHOUT!

Not much of an available range even when you factor in explanatory
narative. 

In the movies, the characters have much more subtle ranges of emoting.
Dan can portray a frustrated Harry in the beginning without shouting
at the top of his lungs all the time. He has body language and facial
expressions, as well as his voice he can work with.

The same is true of the end of book 'grief shouting', Dan as an actor
has a much wider range of tools to express his emotions.

Overal, it depends more on the construction of the story in the movie,
and how well relationship and circumstances are developed. If the mood
is set properly, then I don't see Dan having a problem.

Just a thought.

Steve/bboyminn






From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar 30 00:51:06 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 00:51:06 -0000
Subject: Standing corrected..shout, Shout!, SHOUT! and more.
In-Reply-To: <e0f855+j5h0@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0fa1q+t2fn@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote> 
> 
> bboyminn:
> 
>snipped judiciously...

bboyminn wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind, that in the books, the author has a limited ability 
to
> related speech. In condensed form, we have -
> 
> Shout.
> 
> Shout!
> 
> SHOUT!
> 
> Not much of an available range even when you factor in explanatory
> narative. 
> 
> In the movies, the characters have much more subtle ranges of 
emoting.
> Dan can portray a frustrated Harry in the beginning without 
shouting
> at the top of his lungs all the time. He has body language and 
facial
> expressions, as well as his voice he can work with.
> 
> The same is true of the end of book 'grief shouting', Dan as an 
actor
> has a much wider range of tools to express his emotions.
> 
> Overal, it depends more on the construction of the story in the 
movie,
> and how well relationship and circumstances are developed. If the 
mood
> is set properly, then I don't see Dan having a problem.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Hi Steve,
You point out something I hadn't thought about, that we all have our 
own version of what CAPSLOCK Harry must sound like. For me, he was  
over the top in the early chapters and understandably so. Those caps 
were extreme for me. It didn't make it easier to read. Harry was 
still "zis leetle boy" to me and in OOTP, he'd grown physically, and 
had become an extremely angry person. Transitional time. You are too 
right that Dan has a much larger range of emotions at his disposal 
in order to give us an angry, frustrated and isolated Harry. He can 
be all those things without the caps on. Looking at the situation 
this way maintains the spirit of the story without alienating the 
more general viewers who wouldn't want to see a full-volume Harry. I 
think that's my question, would the normal non-rabid movie-goer be 
able to handle an over-the-top angry Harry? It's pretty jarring to 
me and I stuck around to see him get through it. 
Jen D.>







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu Mar 30 04:06:14 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:06:14 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] GoF Released in Spain!
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<snip> Talking about what can be removed from the OotP...Does anyone 
know if
>  the "Dursleys" have been cast?. They are not in the offcial list of 
> actors in the film. Do you think that they will skip the Dementors and 
> the hearing scenes? This would mean that they will remove 8 chapters
>  out of 38...too bad.
>  Cheers and thanks for your attention
>  Maribel

I heard that the Dudley dementor scene was in, as well as Mrs. Figg 
(who I personally thought could've been dropped). Which would lead me 
to believe that they will have the hearing.They really need to as Harry 
starts having dreams and then realizes that they take place in the MOM. 
He would only have known this by visiting the MOM for his trial. I 
can't wait to see this addition to the wizarding world. I found it 
pretty fascinating as we've previously heard bits and pieces from Ron 
about his Dad's workplace.
Valerie
PS. That's a shame about the Spanish edition of GOF SE. If they cut so 
much out, how can they call it Special Edition??? Do they just subtitle 
it in Spanish?
Does anyone else get annoyed by the games they put on the HP DVDs? They 
never work well for me. It's awkward at best. Maybe it's just my 
player??
>
>
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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 04:15:53 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (jeffschick16)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:15:53 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <007401c65298$eba73bb0$8de1db0c@your4f1261a8e5>
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Robin:
> They might cut all the house cleaning out.  I noticed they cut 
Dobby and Winky out of GoF.  Suppose they'll have Kreacher in there?

I agree, I don't think they need the house cleaning in there either.  
If they did put it in, they may just show Molly crying over the bogget
(sp?) turning into the Weaselys and Harry being dead, just to set up 
the intensity of Arthur getting hurt.  As for Kreacher, I think they 
might keep him.  Not in as many scenes as in the book, but to get the 
point across about 12 GP.

Valerie:
>Grawp wasn't a favorite of mine either. Kind of irrelevant. I'll bet 
they don't film or even talk about when Hagrid and Mme. Maxime go 
visit the giants. They didn't bring that up at the end of the movie, 
as they did in the book. As previously mentioned the director opted 
for a happy, uplifting ending to the GOF movie, as opposed to the 
foreshadowing of the Order of the Phoenix.  I'm looking forward to 
seeing Lupin again. David Thewlis is booked, yes? And Tonks will be a 
fun character, as well as Luna. I thought they might leave Luna out 
altogether as she really is not an integral part of the plot. They 
could have left her out of the whole ministry thing. But she is a 
very colorful character and I'm glad she's in the movie.

I wonder how they are going to account for Grawp if they don't 
discuss Hagrid's journey?  I didn't really want to see Grawp but I 
guess they have to have some reason for Hermoine and Harry missing 
Ron's big game.  Plus I think he saved them from the centuners, but 
they could cut all that off and have Umbridge just carried off at 
random as far as I'm concern because I hated her just the same as you!
lol  She's worse then Bellatrix to me!LOL  
It disturbed me that Harry was even smiling at the end of Goblet in 
the film.  Order, in my opinion, is a very angry book.  If he's not 
angry, the things that are happening to him can make you angry. He 
has to be pissed and distraught and full of angst in this film, and I 
hope they represent that well in the film.  Dan, I think, will do 
really well.  Just the screenwriter and the editors I'm worried about.
I'm so thrill that Lupin will return.  He's awesome and is the only 
way I can get my fianc?e to watch an HP movie with me, Prisoner of 
course, over and over again
which I love.  The hype for them finding 
the perfect Luna was kind of like the hype for finding the perfect 
Cho.  But she's a cool character, and does have a pretty important 
role in Order having Harry's interview in her father's magazine.  

Jen D.:
>Let's just suppose that as expensive as these films are to make, if 
Grawp is in OOTP, he must have some role to play down the line that 
would be very difficult to explain if he just "popped" at the proper 
time in the plot.

That's the thing about Grawp that I was confused on.  What is his 
present in Order going too forshadow?  In HBP he only really shows up 
to the funeral.  And it's not like JKR has told them, "make sure to 
put a lot of Grawp in Order because in the 7th book he will stomp LV 
to death" or something crazy like that!LOL  But as for CG characters 
for the special effects people to play with, they would probably swap 
Grawp for Kreacher.  Which, personally, I'd rather see Kreacher 
because it's all Sirius related and I want all the Sirius I can get 
in the films, since this will be his last.

>OOTP is my least favorite of the books so far and I have been 
dreading (is that possible...) this film, of all the films.

That's how I feel about HBP.  That's the one I'm not looking forward 
to.  It's a big flash back like in a sitcom, but we haven't seen the 
scenes before.  That could be a short film for me.  It's important 
but not a whole movie worth to me.
Rae:
Thanks for posting Richard's breakdown of the film.  I will save it 
too.

Akh:
>Given that they left him on his own, more or less, for the graveyard 
scene in GOF, this says to me that they're expecting believable signs 
of post-traumatic stress disorder (which I think is largely what JKR 
is depicting in his behavior) in his performance.

Do you really think its like PTSD from the graveyard incident?  When 
I look back I kind see a variety of issues, not just a like a single 
incident.  He was angry because he was still at the Dursley's, he was 
angry that there was a dementor attack near his "home", he was angry 
because Hermoine and Ron weren't writing him the info he wanted to 
know, nor was Sirius really.  Then of course, Dumbledore not looking 
at him and not telling him anything, the whole trial thing, and no 
one believing him.  For me, Cedric's death made him sad, LV's return 
was frightening, but what made him angry was all the other stuff.  So 
it doesn't seem like one incident that set him off, it seems like 
multiple issues.








From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu Mar 30 05:27:31 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 23:27:31 -0600
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Standing corrected..shout, Shout!, SHOUT! and more.
In-Reply-To: <e0f855+j5h0@eGroups.com>
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On Mar 29, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Steve wrote:

> Overal, it depends more on the construction of the story in the movie,
> and how well relationship and circumstances are developed. If the mood
> is set properly, then I don't see Dan having a problem.

kchuplis:

One of the things I really hope they work into dialogue that is just  
narrative in the book but I think is one of the most speaking things  
of what it IS at this point in particular to BE Harry is when he  
wishes he were someone else, anyone else and he had never felt so  
trapped inside himself. Yes, Sirius' death triggers those thoughts,  
but I think it is part of the bigger trauma that Harry is  
experiencing and I think it also shows a lot of how much inner  
courage Harry has to have just to be who he is.



From itzgoodnite at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 12:30:57 2006
From: itzgoodnite at yahoo.com (itzgoodnite)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:30:57 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <e0fm1p+30uo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0gj21+c4qi@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeffschick16" 
<jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> Robin:
> > They might cut all the house cleaning out.  I noticed they cut 
> Dobby and Winky out of GoF.  Suppose they'll have Kreacher in 
there?
> 
> I agree, I don't think they need the house cleaning in there 
either.  
> If they did put it in, they may just show Molly crying over the 
bogget
> (sp?) turning into the Weaselys and Harry being dead, just to set 
up 
> the intensity of Arthur getting hurt.  As for Kreacher, I think 
they 
> might keep him.  Not in as many scenes as in the book, but to get 
the 
> point across about 12 GP.
> 


Regina:
 I believe they will leave a little bit of the housecleaning in the 
movie if the locket is as important as some of us think it is! 









From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 19:02:10 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:02:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <e0fm1p+30uo@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060330190210.25865.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




Akh expounded earlier:
 >Given that they left him on his own, more or less, for the graveyard 
 scene in GOF, this says to me that they're expecting believable signs of post-traumatic stress disorder (which I think is largely what JKR is depicting in his behavior) in his performance.
 
jeffschick16 observed:
 
 Do you really think its like PTSD from the graveyard incident?  When I look back I kind see a variety of issues, not just a like a single incident.  He was angry because he was still at the Dursley's, he was  angry that there was a dementor attack near his "home", he was angry because Hermoine and Ron weren't writing him the info he wanted to know, nor was Sirius really.  Then of course, Dumbledore not looking at him and not telling him anything, the whole trial thing, and no one believing him.  For me, Cedric's death made him sad, LV's return was frightening, but what made him angry was all the other stuff.  So it doesn't seem like one incident that set him off, it seems like multiple issues.
 
 akh replies:

If we're looking at it from the movie perspective, they will likely use all those conditions to shore up his reactions, since we can't know the internal dialogue in film.  

I looked up a definition of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_traumatic_stress_disorder

(bless Wikipedia!)

Included in the definition is: 

 Symptoms of PTSD can include the following: Nightmares, flashbacks, emotional detachment or numbing of feelings (emotional self-mortification or dissociation), insomnia, avoidance of reminders and extreme distress when exposed to the reminders ("triggers"), irritability, hypervigilance, memory loss, and excessive startle response.
 These fit a remarkable number of Harry's reactions.  Certainly, if anyone is entitled to PTSD, it's Harry!

akh, who feels like she's putting in a cameo appearance at work today (off-site meetings).
 

		
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From saundradj at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 30 19:13:59 2006
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:13:59 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeffschick16" <jeffschick16 at ...>
wrote:
>
> Robin:
> > They might cut all the house cleaning out. I noticed they cut
> Dobby and Winky out of GoF. Suppose they'll have Kreacher in there?
>
> I agree, I don't think they need the house cleaning in there either.
> If they did put it in, they may just show Molly crying over the bogget
> (sp?) turning into the Weaselys and Harry being dead, just to set up
> the intensity of Arthur getting hurt. As for Kreacher, I think they
> might keep him. Not in as many scenes as in the book, but to get the
> point across about 12 GP.
>
> Valerie:
> >Grawp wasn't a favorite of mine either. Kind of irrelevant. I'll bet
> they don't film or even talk about when Hagrid and Mme. Maxime go
> visit the giants. They didn't bring that up at the end of the movie,
> as they did in the book. As previously mentioned the director opted
> for a happy, uplifting ending to the GOF movie, as opposed to the
> foreshadowing of the Order of the Phoenix. I'm looking forward to
> seeing Lupin again. David Thewlis is booked, yes? And Tonks will be a
> fun character, as well as Luna. I thought they might leave Luna out
> altogether as she really is not an integral part of the plot. They
> could have left her out of the whole ministry thing. But she is a
> very colorful character and I'm glad she's in the movie.
>
> I wonder how they are going to account for Grawp if they don't
> discuss Hagrid's journey? I didn't really want to see Grawp but I
> guess they have to have some reason for Hermoine and Harry missing
> Ron's big game. Plus I think he saved them from the centuners, but
> they could cut all that off and have Umbridge just carried off at
> random as far as I'm concern because I hated her just the same as you!
> lol She's worse then Bellatrix to me!LOL
> It disturbed me that Harry was even smiling at the end of Goblet in
> the film. Order, in my opinion, is a very angry book. If he's not
> angry, the things that are happening to him can make you angry. He
> has to be pissed and distraught and full of angst in this film, and I
> hope they represent that well in the film. Dan, I think, will do
> really well. Just the screenwriter and the editors I'm worried about.
> I'm so thrill that Lupin will return. He's awesome and is the only
> way I can get my fianc?e to watch an HP movie with me, Prisoner of
> course, over and over again
which I love. The hype for them
finding
> the perfect Luna was kind of like the hype for finding the perfect
> Cho. But she's a cool character, and does have a pretty important
> role in Order having Harry's interview in her father's magazine.
>
> Jen D.:
> >Let's just suppose that as expensive as these films are to make, if
> Grawp is in OOTP, he must have some role to play down the line that
> would be very difficult to explain if he just "popped" at the proper
> time in the plot.
>
> That's the thing about Grawp that I was confused on. What is his
> present in Order going too forshadow? In HBP he only really shows up
> to the funeral. And it's not like JKR has told them, "make sure to
> put a lot of Grawp in Order because in the 7th book he will stomp LV
> to death" or something crazy like that!LOL But as for CG characters
> for the special effects people to play with, they would probably swap
> Grawp for Kreacher. Which, personally, I'd rather see Kreacher
> because it's all Sirius related and I want all the Sirius I can get
> in the films, since this will be his last.
>
> >OOTP is my least favorite of the books so far and I have been
> dreading (is that possible...) this film, of all the films.
>
> That's how I feel about HBP. That's the one I'm not looking forward
> to. It's a big flash back like in a sitcom, but we haven't seen the
> scenes before. That could be a short film for me. It's important
> but not a whole movie worth to me.
> Rae:
> Thanks for posting Richard's breakdown of the film. I will save it
> too.
>
> Akh:
> >Given that they left him on his own, more or less, for the graveyard
> scene in GOF, this says to me that they're expecting believable signs
> of post-traumatic stress disorder (which I think is largely what JKR
> is depicting in his behavior) in his performance.
>
> Do you really think its like PTSD from the graveyard incident? When
> I look back I kind see a variety of issues, not just a like a single
> incident. He was angry because he was still at the Dursley's, he was
> angry that there was a dementor attack near his "home", he was angry
> because Hermoine and Ron weren't writing him the info he wanted to
> know, nor was Sirius really. Then of course, Dumbledore not looking
> at him and not telling him anything, the whole trial thing, and no
> one believing him. For me, Cedric's death made him sad, LV's return
> was frightening, but what made him angry was all the other stuff. So
> it doesn't seem like one incident that set him off, it seems like
> multiple issues.
>

I remember thinking at the start of OotP, that it was about time Harry
got really really angry. I wondered when he would breakdown (remember,
he did sort of swallow his feeling in GoF).

I felt his behavior throughout OotP was not only appropriate but age
appropriate. (Maybe I felt this way because at the same time I was
reading OotP in July 2003, my then 15 year old niece was visiting and
displaying Harry like emotional states-frustration, anger and I later
found out - fear).

All this to say that I think that it will ok for non-die hard HP fans to
be discomfitted by Harry's behaviour. I think they will still stick with
the film. If the filmmakers change Harry too much, it will not ring true
and every one will suffer. The books don't get any easier from here on
and neither should the movies.

Saundra (still around lurking)




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From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 19:37:45 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (jeffschick16)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:37:45 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <20060330190210.25865.qmail@web36813.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e0hc29+k4tf@eGroups.com>

>  akh replies:
> 
> If we're looking at it from the movie perspective, they will likely 
use all those conditions to shore up his reactions, since we can't 
know the internal dialogue in film.  
> 
> I looked up a definition of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder: 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_traumatic_stress_disorder
> 
> (bless Wikipedia!)
> 
> Included in the definition is: 
> 
>  Symptoms of PTSD can include the following: Nightmares, 
flashbacks, emotional detachment or numbing of feelings (emotional 
self-mortification or dissociation), insomnia, avoidance of reminders 
and extreme distress when exposed to the reminders ("triggers"), 
irritability, hypervigilance, memory loss, and excessive startle 
response.
>  These fit a remarkable number of Harry's reactions.  Certainly, if 
anyone is entitled to PTSD, it's Harry!
> 

I called my friend up last night to ask her if she also thought that 
it was a form of PTSD too.  We're psych majors (i'm not done yet..13 
months and counting!) and she agrees with you completely that that 
one incident in graveyard could be enough to spark the angry Harry.  
And all that i was saying of causes for his anger were just his 
reactions having dealt with that incident.  She also added that Harry 
is also changing his view of the world.  Going from 14 to 15, just 
that time frame, a lot can go on in the teenage mind.  Feelings of 
rage, anger are different at that age than at 11 so that can also 
contribute.  She thinks JKR did that on purpose because of the age, 
although that i disagree with her.  We only get 7 years of Harry's 
life, it had to could come up somewhere!lol
Candace






From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 30 21:45:36 2006
From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (lizzie_snape)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:45:36 -0000
Subject: What will be deleted from OotP???
In-Reply-To: <e0gj21+c4qi@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0hji0+t0nr@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "itzgoodnite" <itzgoodnite at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  I believe they will leave a little bit of the housecleaning in the 
> movie if the locket is as important as some of us think it is!
>

Problem is the OotP movie script was no doubt written before HBP was 
released.  They could probably slip the locket in though.

Lizzie








From rkdas at charter.net  Thu Mar 30 22:16:45 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:16:45 -0000
Subject: What will be in OOTP?
In-Reply-To: <e0hji0+t0nr@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e0hlcd+rb1t@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "lizzie_snape" <lizzy1933 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "itzgoodnite" <itzgoodnite@> 
> wrote:
> >
> >  I believe they will leave a little bit of the housecleaning in 
the 
> > movie if the locket is as important as some of us think it is!
> >
> 
> Problem is the OotP movie script was no doubt written before HBP was 
> released.  They could probably slip the locket in though.
> 
> Lizzie

JKR has something to say about the scripts. She isn't clear why 
something has to be there, it is said, but she makes it clear what 
needs to be there in order not to violate things. If the locket is 
needed, it will be there somewhere, somehow...
Jen D.
>