From saundradj at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 02:12:58 2006
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 02:12:58 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 30, 2006, at 4:34 PM, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
> 
> >
> > Sandy:
> > I think Dan is a fantastic actor  -- I really do. I am so very  
> > impressed with
> > him. I think he is superb both audioly and visually. I think he 
is  
> > great at
> > facial expressions. As far as emotionally goes, I think his "who 
am  
> > I Hedwig"
> > is beautifully done. I thought all of his emotional acting in 
POA  
> > was spot on.
> > I have read a lot of criticism about his scene when he returns 
with  
> > Cedric's
> > body in GOF on other lists, one person saying that he still 
can't  
> > cry. I have
> > made a point of paying particular attention to that scene evry 
time  
> > I watch the
> > movie and I don't find fault with it. His distress is very real,  
> > and perhaps
> > crying was not the point of the scene. I think he did as well 
with  
> > that scene
> > as any other.
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> Totally agree. I can't see what more anyone would want from that  
> scene in GoF. What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't  
> remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.
>
"Who am I Hedwig?" is from the extended version of CoS.

Saundra







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  1 03:22:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
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On Apr 30, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Saundra wrote:

> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2006, at 4:34 PM, OctobersChild48 at ... wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sandy:
>>> I think Dan is a fantastic actor  -- I really do. I am so very
>>> impressed with
>>> him. I think he is superb both audioly and visually. I think he
> is
>>> great at
>>> facial expressions. As far as emotionally goes, I think his "who
> am
>>> I Hedwig"
>>> is beautifully done. I thought all of his emotional acting in
> POA
>>> was spot on.
>>> I have read a lot of criticism about his scene when he returns
> with
>>> Cedric's
>>> body in GOF on other lists, one person saying that he still
> can't
>>> cry. I have
>>> made a point of paying particular attention to that scene evry
> time
>>> I watch the
>>> movie and I don't find fault with it. His distress is very real,
>>> and perhaps
>>> crying was not the point of the scene. I think he did as well
> with
>>> that scene
>>> as any other.
>>
>> kchuplis:
>>
>> Totally agree. I can't see what more anyone would want from that
>> scene in GoF. What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't
>> remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.
>>
> "Who am I Hedwig?" is from the extended version of CoS.
>
> Saundra
>
>

Ohhh. I haven't seen that yet. Comes on ABC, yes? I don't know why  
they didn't put those out on the DVDs. I really liked the extended  
one of SS.



From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon May  1 04:34:17 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 00:34:17 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
Message-ID: <3bc.1f5308e.3186e9c9@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/30/06 5:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kchuplis at alltel.net writes:


> What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't  
> remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.
> 
> 
> 

Chamber of Secrets. He says "who am I Hedwig  -- what am I"? He is pondering 
his ability to speak Parseltongue and whether he could be the heir to 
Slytherine. And thank you so much for backing me up on Dan.

Sandy


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From saundradj at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 04:50:53 2006
From: saundradj at hotmail.com (Saundra)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:50:53 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <A98ACE8B-F635-4297-A1B8-BD7664B792EE@alltel.net>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Saundra wrote:
>
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen kchuplis@ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 30, 2006, at 4:34 PM, OctobersChild48@ wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Sandy:
> >>> I think Dan is a fantastic actor -- I really do. I am so very
> >>> impressed with
> >>> him. I think he is superb both audioly and visually. I think he
> > is
> >>> great at
> >>> facial expressions. As far as emotionally goes, I think his "who
> > am
> >>> I Hedwig"
> >>> is beautifully done. I thought all of his emotional acting in
> > POA
> >>> was spot on.
> >>> I have read a lot of criticism about his scene when he returns
> > with
> >>> Cedric's
> >>> body in GOF on other lists, one person saying that he still
> > can't
> >>> cry. I have
> >>> made a point of paying particular attention to that scene evry
> > time
> >>> I watch the
> >>> movie and I don't find fault with it. His distress is very real,
> >>> and perhaps
> >>> crying was not the point of the scene. I think he did as well
> > with
> >>> that scene
> >>> as any other.
> >>
> >> kchuplis:
> >>
> >> Totally agree. I can't see what more anyone would want from that
> >> scene in GoF. What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't
> >> remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.
> >>
> > "Who am I Hedwig?" is from the extended version of CoS.
> >
> > Saundra
> >
> >
>
> Ohhh. I haven't seen that yet. Comes on ABC, yes? I don't know why
> they didn't put those out on the DVDs. I really liked the extended
> one of SS.
>
Don't despair, come the end of the movie series, Warner Bros will
release all the HP movies in the extended edition. There is simply too
much money to be made to not  do it.

Remember to check out ABC Family channel to see when both SS and CoS
will run again.

Saundra










From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  1 05:00:11 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 00:00:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
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On Apr 30, 2006, at 11:34 PM, OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/30/06 5:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kchuplis at alltel.net writes:
>
>
>> What movie is "Who am I Hedwig" in? I just can't
>> remember it and I've watched them all quite a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Chamber of Secrets. He says "who am I Hedwig  -- what am I"? He is  
> pondering
> his ability to speak Parseltongue and whether he could be the heir to
> Slytherine. And thank you so much for backing me up on Dan.
>
> Sandy

It's funny that people pick on him. Dan seems completely different to  
me than Harry. It's honestly like seeing a different person (to me)  
when you see him in interviews. You don't see that kind of difference  
in interviews with people who can't act but just "fit the part".



From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Mon May  1 05:18:12 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:18:12 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <A98ACE8B-F635-4297-A1B8-BD7664B792EE@alltel.net>
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 <A98ACE8B-F635-4297-A1B8-BD7664B792EE@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <01be67c81e3be2ecdbc861915a27d488@verizon.net>

My family and I were watching "GOF" again today. My husband had to 
comment "He (Dan) really can't act, can he? How can he get away with 
that?" I was trying to be objective...course I'm NOT when it comes to 
my greatest obsession, the HP books and movies! I do think Dan has much 
improved on his delivery since SS/PS. There were still a couple of 
moments where his delivery might have been a bit too quick...what comes 
to mind is when Cedric, in the maze, says "Some game, huh?" and Harry 
responds "Yeah, some game", a bit too quickly. Or when he's going to 
the 2nd task with Neville who says "You look a bit nervous (or 
something to that effect) and Harry replies "Do I?!" with his teeth 
gritted. Some of those moments were a smidgeon less than perfect. But 
then there are other moments when his facial expression is so great, 
such as when his name gets called from the goblet...he looks so 
terrified. And then later when he's having the "piss off" discussion 
with Ron...I love when he says "I don't want eternal glory, I just 
want..." Or when he's talking to Sirius in the fire and says in a panic 
"I'm not ready for this, Sirius!!!" And how believable he was when 
Voldemort was searing his scar his his finger!!! That was awesome! I 
mean, he's not a Rickman or an Oldman or a Gleeson or a Fiennes...but 
perhaps he will be some day. OK, I could go on and on...I love the 
movies, I love Dan and all the other actors.

By the way, has anyone seen "Friend's Money"? Jason Isaacs is in it, 
and it just amazes me how American he sounds. How do Brits DO that?! 
Now THAT's good acting!

One little bit of inconsistency that I noted today while watching GOF. 
When the camera pans to the World Cup stadium and we get that wild 
perspective of how it looks like it's underground...this was all Art 
Direction for the movie, THEN, the Weasley, Hermione, Harry crew has to 
trudge all the way UP to the top (which was in the book). Huh?! 
Wouldn't they already be at the top, if the top is level with the 
ground? Just an observation...!

Valerie 




From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  1 11:09:04 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 06:09:04 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations
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On May 1, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Valerie Flowe wrote:

> My family and I were watching "GOF" again today. My husband had to
> comment "He (Dan) really can't act, can he? How can he get away with
> that?" I was trying to be objective...course I'm NOT when it comes to
> my greatest obsession, the HP books and movies! I do think Dan has  
> much
> improved on his delivery since SS/PS. There were still a couple of
> moments where his delivery might have been a bit too quick...what  
> comes
> to mind is when Cedric, in the maze, says "Some game, huh?" and Harry
> responds "Yeah, some game", a bit too quickly. Or when he's going to
> the 2nd task with Neville who says "You look a bit nervous (or
> something to that effect) and Harry replies "Do I?!" with his teeth
> gritted. Some of those moments were a smidgeon less than perfect. But
> then there are other moments when his facial expression is so great,
> such as when his name gets called from the goblet...he looks so
> terrified. And then later when he's having the "piss off" discussion
> with Ron...I love when he says "I don't want eternal glory, I just
> want..." Or when he's talking to Sirius in the fire and says in a  
> panic
> "I'm not ready for this, Sirius!!!" And how believable he was when
> Voldemort was searing his scar his his finger!!! That was awesome! I
> mean, he's not a Rickman or an Oldman or a Gleeson or a Fiennes...but
> perhaps he will be some day. OK, I could go on and on...I love the
> movies, I love Dan and all the other actors.
>

Go back and watch a Jody Foster movie when she was Dan's age some  
time. She was on Letter man and he was showing clips from her preteen  
and teen years :D  I'd say he is on track. Yes, there are better  
actors,however, I've seen way worse and he does fine.

> By the way, has anyone seen "Friend's Money"? Jason Isaacs is in it,
> and it just amazes me how American he sounds. How do Brits DO that?!
> Now THAT's good acting!

That's a good dialect coach too! I was stunned at Heath Ledger's  
accent in Brokeback Mountain. He sounded JUST like some of my  
customers (we are in Nebraska and I'm from SD).

>
> One little bit of inconsistency that I noted today while watching GOF.
> When the camera pans to the World Cup stadium and we get that wild
> perspective of how it looks like it's underground...this was all Art
> Direction for the movie, THEN, the Weasley, Hermione, Harry crew  
> has to
> trudge all the way UP to the top (which was in the book). Huh?!
> Wouldn't they already be at the top, if the top is level with the
> ground? Just an observation...!
>

My big gripe on that scene is when Dan takes Emmas arm and then  
Lucius whams his cane down and voila! Dan's hand is back on the  
banister. Plus it seems further up than would be possible for the  
cane to be.



From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Mon May  1 14:45:58 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:45:58 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <01be67c81e3be2ecdbc861915a27d488@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e356v6+inou@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> My family and I were watching "GOF" again today. My husband had to 
> comment "He (Dan) really can't act, can he? How can he get away 
with 
> that?" I was trying to be objective...course I'm NOT when it comes 
to 
> my greatest obsession, the HP books and movies! I do think Dan has 
much 
> improved on his delivery since SS/PS. There were still a couple of 
> moments where his delivery might have been a bit too quick...what 
comes 
> to mind is when Cedric, in the maze, says "Some game, huh?" and 
Harry 
> responds "Yeah, some game", a bit too quickly. Or when he's going 
to 
> the 2nd task with Neville who says "You look a bit nervous (or 
> something to that effect) and Harry replies "Do I?!" with his 
teeth 
> gritted. Some of those moments were a smidgeon less than perfect. 
But 
> then there are other moments when his facial expression is so 
great, 
> such as when his name gets called from the goblet...he looks so 
> terrified. And then later when he's having the "piss off" 
discussion 
> with Ron...I love when he says "I don't want eternal glory, I just 
> want..." Or when he's talking to Sirius in the fire and says in a 
panic 
> "I'm not ready for this, Sirius!!!" And how believable he was when 
> Voldemort was searing his scar his his finger!!! That was awesome! 
I 
> mean, he's not a Rickman or an Oldman or a Gleeson or a 
Fiennes...but 
> perhaps he will be some day. OK, I could go on and on...I love the 
> movies, I love Dan and all the other actors.
> 
> By the way, has anyone seen "Friend's Money"? Jason Isaacs is in 
it, 
> and it just amazes me how American he sounds. How do Brits DO 
that?! 
> Now THAT's good acting!
> 
> One little bit of inconsistency that I noted today while watching 
GOF. 
> When the camera pans to the World Cup stadium and we get that wild 
> perspective of how it looks like it's underground...this was all 
Art 
> Direction for the movie, THEN, the Weasley, Hermione, Harry crew 
has to 
> trudge all the way UP to the top (which was in the book). Huh?! 
> Wouldn't they already be at the top, if the top is level with the 
> ground? Just an observation...!
> 
> Valerie
>

Hi, Valerie: to each his own, but I can't read a comment like this 
one and not respond. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, 
including your husband (though I'm rather glad you don't share is 
point of view), but I just wanted to vent because I find that a lot 
of Harry Potter movie going fans out there are simply 'nit picking' 
and trying to find fault where there is none to be found with Dan's 
acting. 2 of the little movie sequences you're talking about are, to 
me (and my daughter, and my husband, and... you get the point) so 
totally spot on. No, he's not answering Cedric's question too fast 
when they're in the maze! he's on a major adrenaline rush! How was 
he supposed to react? "let me mull this over before I tell you what 
I think about this game, Cedric, seeing that we've just been 
attacked in this forsaken maze that I don't even want to be in in 
the first place?"... and answering Neville with his teeth gritted is 
just too right (he's tense, for crying out loud! it's a very comedic 
delivery!). I guess a lot of people are forgetting that Harry (and 
Dan) are teenagers, and their reactions are those of a teenager. Dan 
is superbly understaded when he acts, and this is just what Harry is 
supposed to be like. Is he a good actor? Heck, yes! he's a fantastic 
actor, and he keeps improving by leaps and bounds. I do find that 
his crying in POA is a little off, but I think it's because of the 
circumstance surrounding that particular scene. In GOF, Dan's 
performance is totally credible and achingly heartbreaking when he 
is crying over Cedric's body. Dan conveys a lot through facial 
expressions and body language, and he did a consistently great job 
trhoughout GOF. If the kid is this good at 16, he will be amazing in 
a few more years.
Just my 2 cents worth!
Nicole        








From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 20:36:09 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Utilizing Rupert
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Message-ID: <20060501203609.10016.qmail@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



Susanne <siskiou at vcem.com> wrote:    
I have no idea about the politics behind the scenes, but it
 just seemed really odd how much Ron was changed from movie
 one to the subsequent ones.
 
 One thing I'm pretty certain of is that Rupert didn't ask
 the director/script writer if he could please be turned into
 a whimpering coward and his lines given to other people, or
 changed to fit his "new image". ;)
 
akh weighs in:

At the risk of sounding like I'm not a Rupert Grint fan (and I'm a fan of all three), there may be some - I hesitate to say "politics," but we'll go with that for now.  

I have extremely limited camera experience (couple of commercials), but I've been on the stage for over 20 years, and I've often seen instances where the working relationship supercedes raw talent.  I've seen directors who give lots of extra bits to an actor who may by no means be the best, but he/she is very receptive to that particular director's notes, and the director just really likes his/her interpretation of lines.  

I read some article when POA was being filmed that mentioned Rupert had trouble not breaking into laughter.  For a given director, that might be perfectly acceptable (Mark Williams talks about encouraging the boys to crack up during takes in COS); for another, it might mean less screen time.  

Rupert has had by far the best comic timing from the beginning, so it doesn't surprise me he gets the lion's share of the laugh lines.  In fact, I remember thinking, "Hey, that's Harry's line in the book," with one of the laugh lines he gets (can I remember which movie, here at work?  Of course not!)  The down side is that if you are carrying the load of comedy relief, it doesn't leave much time to be deep or serious.

Interestingly, my boyfriend, who has not read the books (even though I buy them for him for Christimas, but I digress) does not see Ron as a whimpering coward.  I think some of that is the result of knowing aspects of his literary character which haven't been translated to the screen.

Dan is definitely getting better at comedy, although Rupert's still king (the Phelps twins have developed quite a nice comic rhythm, too).  That gives the screenwriter and the director more latitude to divvy up the comedy relief.  

akh, who's not sure she made her intended point, but blames her head cold for incoherence

		
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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 20:55:25 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:55:25 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
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> ...edited... In GOF, Dan's performance is totally credible and 
> achingly heartbreaking when he is crying over Cedric's body. 
> Dan conveys a lot through facial xpressions and body language, 
> and he did a consistently great job throughout GOF. If the kid 
> is this good at 16, he will be amazing in a few more years.
> Just my 2 cents worth!
> Nicole
>

bboyminn:

Sorry for cutting so much. I don't have any specific user directed
comments but I did want to comment of the Ron and Harry's acting
ability thread.

First and foremost, an actor is only as good as the material he is
give and the direction he is provided. Let's remember that each scene
was probably re-enacted several times, it was up to the Director to
determine which of the many versions made it into the movie. 

We all know that even the best of these HP movies is rushed and that
doesn't allow much time for a scene to develop or for an actor to get
into the emotions of the moment. I'm recalling two very emotional
moments from two separate movies; the long monolog given by the girl
(Keisha Castle-Hughes) in 'Whale Rider' and the scene in the park
between Johnny Depp (James Barrie) and Freddy Highmore (Peter Davis)
from the movie 'Finding Neverland'. 

Both were stunning in their emotional impact, but the movies
themselves had a condensed enough story to allow the emotions of the
characters, the actor, and the viewer to develop to an intense
emotional level. I'm reminded of another movie - Peter Jackson's 'King
Kong'. While the overal movie was just OK, I couldn't help but notice
Jackson's camera work; long slow pans, lingering on a characters face
to capture their emotions in the moment, and to some extent allowing
certain characters resonable monologs or dialogs. 

I don't see that in any of the HP Movie. In the HP movies, it's laugh,
cry, mug for the camera, NEXT! There are many scene in the HP stories
that are emotional, but if the movies don't set the groundwork and
develop the backstory, then it is hard for us as viewer to /catch/ the
emotion of the moment.

Regarding Rupert, for those who have seen 'Thunderpants', which never
had a chance to be any more than it was which is a small time Fart
movie, you will notice the Rupert developed a very un-Ron excentric
and unique character. Sadly I have only seen the trailers, but it was
clear the Ron created a very unique and engaging character. That shows
he has acting power beyond playing Ron.

Further, there are two new trailers for "Driving Lesson", in one of
them, Julie Walters is trying to get Ron to act out parts from
Shakespear with her. Ron starts very wooden, essentially reading the
words from the page, but by the last scene both he and Julie are
enthusiastically into their parts. Ron is actually pretty good in the
short segement I saw. 

I'm also eager to see Dan in 'December Boys', I can't imagine that he
will be anything other than /impressive/. That movie does have the
opportunity for a few emotional scenes, plus the overal movie has a
lot of conflicted emotions as the boys, who are friends, try to out do
each other to impress prospective adoptive parents. 

I guess on one hand I am acknowledging that both Dan and Rupert are
developing as actors. We aren't seeing the final product yet. Further,
it is a very exceptional actor who can play a deeply emotional scene
like those I mentioned in 'Whale Rider' and 'Finding Neverland'.
Further it takes an exceptional director and a movie context that
draws that depth of emotion from both the actor and the viewers. In
the next book we are expected to feel sorry for the death of Sirius,
but it's going to be hard to feel that emotion, if the movie doesn't
get us and Harry emotionally involved in who Sirius is and what he means. 

Certainly both Dan and Rupert have room to grow, and as someone else
pointed out, I think they both have superb abilities to express
themselves with their faces and their body language. That is a
critical point that most amateur actors miss. They think that the
words are everything, consequently, their delivery is very wooden and
emotionless. I watched 'Sorcerers Stone' again this weekend, and I was
impress very much by the very natural body language of both Dan and
Rupert. I was expecially impressed with Ron/Rupert who I think did an
excellent job in that movie. 

Back to my central point, it is true that Dan and Rupert aren't
perfect, but we can't blame their performance totally on them. The
Producers, Warner, and the Directors all have a hand in the final
product, and Dan and Rupert can't give a performance that isn't in the
script or that isn't in the priorities of the producers. We have all
said many times that Warner Brothers has completely misjudge the Harry
Potter series. They are not taking it seriously enough, and they are
not considering the movies as a series of movies telling a continous
story. There is not one director who has a central vision of the final
product the way Peter Jackson had a unique vision for 'Lord of the
Rings'. 

So, to some extent I agree Dan and Rupert's performances were flawed,
but no more flawed than what they were given to work with. In fact,
considering what they were given to work with, I think they both did
an outstanding job.

Just a little endless rambling.

Steve/bboyminn







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  1 21:06:44 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:06:44 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations/and a chuckle
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <bboyminn at yahoo.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>

> Certainly both Dan and Rupert have room to grow, and as someone else
> pointed out, I think they both have superb abilities to express
> themselves with their faces and their body language. That is a
> critical point that most amateur actors miss. They think that the
> words are everything, consequently, their delivery is very wooden and
> emotionless. I watched 'Sorcerers Stone' again this weekend, and I was
> impress very much by the very natural body language of both Dan and
> Rupert. I was expecially impressed with Ron/Rupert who I think did an
> excellent job in that movie.
>
Same here. As I said, go watch some old Jody Foster films from that age. Dan
has her beat. Plenty of tiem.

Hey, speaking of SS, does anyone else laugh EVERY time Ron's broom hits him
in the face? That exchange between he and Harry is SOOOO funny and what with
the robes, the just seem to be minature grown ups out of some academic artsy
movie in that one little instant. I've seen it at least ten times, but that
one never fails to make me chuckle.





From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 22:56:52 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:56:52 -0000
Subject: More Driving Lessons - No not that kind.
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Not sure whether anyone can actually answer this question or not, but
here it is.

>From a Newsround interview with Rupert, he said ....

Q: What's been the highlight of this particular film for you, what did
you enjoy the most?

Rupert: They gave us all diving lessons and that was really good,
because I've never done anything like that before and that was a whole
new experience, that was quite good.


I'm trying to understand why they are having driving lessons? Is this
just a parallel to on-set tutoring. Rather than have them take time
off to go some place and take driving instruction for a driving
school, they simply have the driving school come to the set to teach them?

Or, is this some how related to their version of the latest Harry
Potter movie? I can't think of anything in the movie (OotP) that would
require Dan, Rupert, or Emma to drive; yet, you never know where the
new director will take them.

Any thoughts?

Steve/bboyminn






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  1 23:06:50 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:06:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More Driving Lessons - No not that kind.
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On May 1, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Steve wrote:

> Not sure whether anyone can actually answer this question or not, but
> here it is.
>
> From a Newsround interview with Rupert, he said ....
>
> Q: What's been the highlight of this particular film for you, what did
> you enjoy the most?
>
> Rupert: They gave us all diving lessons and that was really good,
> because I've never done anything like that before and that was a whole
> new experience, that was quite good.
>

"Diving" lessons. I would assume this was about GoF.
>



From siskiou at vcem.com  Tue May  2 00:44:51 2006
From: siskiou at vcem.com (Susanne)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:44:51 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] More Driving Lessons - No not that kind.
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Hi,

Monday, May 1, 2006, 3:56:52 PM, bboyminn at yahoo.com wrote:

> Any thoughts?

I think you are getting Rupert's new movie "Driving Lessons"
and the *diving* lessons for the GoF underwater scenes mixed up. :)


-- 
Best regards,
 Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at vcem.com





From rkdas at charter.net  Tue May  2 02:07:42 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 02:07:42 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn at ...> wrote:
>
>SNIPPAGE:> 
> bboyminn:
> 
> SNIPPED yet again:

 We all know that even the best of these HP movies is rushed and that
> doesn't allow much time for a scene to develop or for an actor to 
get
> into the emotions of the moment. I'm recalling two very emotional
> moments from two separate movies; the long monolog given by the 
girl
> (Keisha Castle-Hughes) in 'Whale Rider' and the scene in the park
> between Johnny Depp (James Barrie) and Freddy Highmore (Peter 
Davis)
> from the movie 'Finding Neverland'. 
> 
> Both were stunning in their emotional impact, but the movies
> themselves had a condensed enough story to allow the emotions of 
the
> characters, the actor, and the viewer to develop to an intense
> emotional level. I'm reminded of another movie - Peter 
Jackson's 'King
> Kong'. While the overal movie was just OK, I couldn't help but 
notice
> Jackson's camera work; long slow pans, lingering on a characters 
face
> to capture their emotions in the moment, and to some extent 
allowing
> certain characters resonable monologs or dialogs. 
> 
> I don't see that in any of the HP Movie. In the HP movies, it's 
laugh,
> cry, mug for the camera, NEXT! There are many scene in the HP 
stories
> that are emotional, but if the movies don't set the groundwork and
> develop the backstory, then it is hard for us as viewer to /catch/ 
the
> emotion of the moment.

Again with the snips
> I guess on one hand I am acknowledging that both Dan and Rupert are
> developing as actors. We aren't seeing the final product yet. 
Further,
> it is a very exceptional actor who can play a deeply emotional 
scene
> like those I mentioned in 'Whale Rider' and 'Finding Neverland'.
> Further it takes an exceptional director and a movie context that
> draws that depth of emotion from both the actor and the viewers. In
> the next book we are expected to feel sorry for the death of 
Sirius,
> but it's going to be hard to feel that emotion, if the movie 
doesn't
> get us and Harry emotionally involved in who Sirius is and what he 
means. 
And again:
 
> Back to my central point, it is true that Dan and Rupert aren't
> perfect, but we can't blame their performance totally on them. The
> Producers, Warner, and the Directors all have a hand in the final
> product, and Dan and Rupert can't give a performance that isn't in 
the
> script or that isn't in the priorities of the producers. We have 
all
> said many times that Warner Brothers has completely misjudge the 
Harry
> Potter series. They are not taking it seriously enough, and they 
are
> not considering the movies as a series of movies telling a 
continous
> story. There is not one director who has a central vision of the 
final
> product the way Peter Jackson had a unique vision for 'Lord of the
> Rings'. 
> 
> So, to some extent I agree Dan and Rupert's performances were 
flawed,
> but no more flawed than what they were given to work with. In fact,
> considering what they were given to work with, I think they both 
did
> an outstanding job.
> 
> Just a little endless rambling.
> 
> Steve/bboyminn

Jen D, here:
Tried valiently to trim down your post to the salient features, the 
heart of your argument that 1)HP doesn't get the kind of writing and 
time that it deserves and 2)Consequently, neither Dan nor Rupert 
gets to do the best possible job because of that fatal flaw.

That's a very subtle argument because I have been approaching it 
from the opposite direction, and now I am confused. I have always 
assumed that Dan's limitations kept the creative team from doing the 
most they could with all the important stuff that Jo keeps writing. 
Let's face it, that crying in POA was embarrassing. I still can't 
get over it. Looping could have fixed that so easily. Why let it 
stand? Why? Doesn't make an iota of sense to let Dan take that fall. 
Hurts the picture, hurts Dan. No sense in it. Seems we agree that WB 
has maintained a certain desire to stick with a bankable formula, 
all AC and MN's sincere creative efforts notwithstanding. There was 
great creative effort going on but it seemed to have been tempered, 
held back. Maybe you are right, that if they'd allowed more of the 
challenging things to be in the scripts, then Dan would have come 
off as a more fully-realized Harry. I miss the emotions Harry 
experiences, knowing full well that those bits are embarrassing to a 
teen-aged boy, knowing full well they are difficult to film, that 
they require time, development, and a willingness to go into 
uncharted territory. I just don't think I will be able to gloss over 
my disappointment in OOTP if Sirius'death is handled in a shallow, 
time-conscious, managed way. If Harry doesn't get to grieve, doesn't 
get to tear around, railing in his grief. If he doesn't get some 
answers from DD. I know if won't matter much to WB to have one truly 
disappointed fan because the emotional precipice was avoided yet 
again. But it's my fondest hope that this film does go to the edge, 
does give Dan the chance to fully embody Harry. I just became a die-
hard LOTR fan (I am one of the last 3 people in America that hadn't 
see the films) and what they do is they make you realize how well a 
book can be adapted, not just being thankful the some of the best 
bits do get in. I want that for Harry and for Dan. 
Jen D. 
>







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue May  2 04:03:38 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:03:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations
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On May 1, 2006, at 9:07 PM, susanbones2003 wrote:

>
> That's a very subtle argument because I have been approaching it
> from the opposite direction, and now I am confused. I have always
> assumed that Dan's limitations kept the creative team from doing the
> most they could with all the important stuff that Jo keeps writing.
> Let's face it, that crying in POA was embarrassing.


kchuplis:

The biggest problem with that scene was that it did NOT exist in the  
book, there was no reason for Harry TO cry at that point and it was  
very obviously pressed into the story by the director. Yes, this was,  
IMO, Curzon's biggest crime in PoA and since it did not come  
organically to the scene, there is little hope that it could come  
organically to the actor. I'm not sure a seasoned actor could have  
infused that with true pathos actually. So, I sure wouldn't hold that  
one against Dan. 



From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 05:47:44 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 05:47:44 -0000
Subject: More Driving Lessons - No not that kind. - OOPS
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Monday, May 1, 2006, 3:56:52 PM, bboyminn at ... wrote:
> 
> > Any thoughts?
> 
> I think you are getting Rupert's new movie "Driving Lessons"
> and the *diving* lessons for the GoF underwater scenes mixed up. :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Susanne                           mailto:siskiou at ...
>

bboyminn:

HI, boys and girls! Can you spell IDIOT? 

I had just made my post about Dan and Rupert's acting and their new
movies 'Driving Lessons' and 'December Boys' when I stumbled across
this quote, so naturally, my mind turned 'diving' lessons into DRiving
lessons. I really couldn't see any way they could work DRiving lessons
or driving into the plot of OotP. Well, of course, they can't. Why?
Because it's DIving not DRiving.

What can I say...? Sorry I blew up. ;)

Steve/bboyminn







From rkdas at charter.net  Tue May  2 11:21:10 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:21:10 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
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SNIPPED 
> 
> kchuplis:
> 
> The biggest problem with that scene was that it did NOT exist in 
the  
> book, there was no reason for Harry TO cry at that point and it was  
> very obviously pressed into the story by the director. Yes, this 
was,  
> IMO, Curzon's biggest crime in PoA and since it did not come  
> organically to the scene, there is little hope that it could come  
> organically to the actor. I'm not sure a seasoned actor could have  
> infused that with true pathos actually. So, I sure wouldn't hold 
that  
> one against Dan.
>
Karen,
Did you read past the embarrassing remark? I said there was no good 
reason to allow that scene to exist! I am with you on this. Dan 
shouldn't have taken the fall. They could have fixed it so easily! Why 
was Dan made to take that embarrassment, that's the big question. 
Crying is one of the things actors have to do occasionally and they 
aren't faucets. Sometimes it's very difficult to summon up the 
necessary emotion to start the tears (or appropriate sounds, as it 
were). Now if AC had so much devotion to this invented scene (with all 
the other good stuff in the book, why did that guy have to create his 
own emotional scene? Smacks of arrogance to me...) why didn't he make 
sure the darn thing worked? I think Dan has so much potential, so much 
he can give to HP and I just really hate to see his contribution 
squandered. 
Jen D.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue May  2 11:24:43 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:24:43 -0500
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On May 2, 2006, at 12:47 AM, Steve wrote:
>>
>
> bboyminn:
>
> HI, boys and girls! Can you spell IDIOT?
>
> I had just made my post about Dan and Rupert's acting and their new
> movies 'Driving Lessons' and 'December Boys' when I stumbled across
> this quote, so naturally, my mind turned 'diving' lessons into DRiving
> lessons. I really couldn't see any way they could work DRiving lessons
> or driving into the plot of OotP. Well, of course, they can't. Why?
> Because it's DIving not DRiving.
>
> What can I say...? Sorry I blew up. ;)
>

:D   Happens to me too :D
>
>



From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue May  2 11:33:32 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:33:32 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations
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On May 2, 2006, at 6:21 AM, susanbones2003 wrote:

> SNIPPED
>>
>> kchuplis:
>>
>> The biggest problem with that scene was that it did NOT exist in
> the
>> book, there was no reason for Harry TO cry at that point and it was
>> very obviously pressed into the story by the director. Yes, this
> was,
>> IMO, Curzon's biggest crime in PoA and since it did not come
>> organically to the scene, there is little hope that it could come
>> organically to the actor. I'm not sure a seasoned actor could have
>> infused that with true pathos actually. So, I sure wouldn't hold
> that
>> one against Dan.
>>
> Karen,
> Did you read past the embarrassing remark? I said there was no good
> reason to allow that scene to exist! I am with you on this. Dan
> shouldn't have taken the fall. They could have fixed it so easily! Why
> was Dan made to take that embarrassment, that's the big question.
> Crying is one of the things actors have to do occasionally and they
> aren't faucets. Sometimes it's very difficult to summon up the
> necessary emotion to start the tears (or appropriate sounds, as it
> were). Now if AC had so much devotion to this invented scene (with all
> the other good stuff in the book, why did that guy have to create his
> own emotional scene? Smacks of arrogance to me...) why didn't he make
> sure the darn thing worked? I think Dan has so much potential, so much
> he can give to HP and I just really hate to see his contribution
> squandered.
> Jen D.
>
>
> kchuplis:

Oh, I wasn't arguing just expanding. That scene actually makes me a  
little mad so I get het  up. There was just no reason, like you said,  
to manufacture that. I very much agree.



From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 16:53:16 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:53:16 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> You guys are right, Rupert as Ron did have some awesome bits in 
Goblet, thank goodness.  Scares me to think what they will do in HBP 
with Ron in love with Romilda scene, that scene has to be in there, 
that's an awesome bit along with some others in the next books.  
Rupert in SS was the one that stood out the most in the film, that's 
what made me want to see the next one.  
>   Susanne, you mention how now movie viewer see Ron as a coward 
because of his lack of lines in the movie, but that he's not really 
like that in the books.  I agree with you.  I never saw Ron as a 
coward before I picked up any of the books, but in major scenes, 
he's just kind of there now, not really stepping up.  Ron in SS was 
not a coward, scared sometimes but not a coward.  He's in Gryffindor 
for goodness sakes, and movie goers may not know what that means.  
But my point here is, sorry to ramble lol, but that even Rupert is 
now saying Ron is a coward.  And it's funny because Rupert knows the 
books, even before he did the movies.  I think Rupert has been 
influence by the way THEY want him to portray his character, even 
though he knows better.  Also the typecasting after the HP movies.  
I agree, i hope they can move on from it.  But we all have seen what 
happens to child stars ability to get jobs after growing up.  It's 
very hard, and VERY few have come out on top.  Maybe
>  in Britian it will be different, but here in America, it just 
does not seem easy.
> One last thing, Jen D, I one of the 3 who hasn't seen it, so don't 
feel bad!  My fiancee can't sit through an HP movie with out 
pointing out what JKR got from LOTR.  So i'll finally have to bit 
the bullet and watch them.  I just pray I don't get as obsessed as I 
have about the HP movies/books.LOL
> 
> 
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace
> 
> "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."
> 
> "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne
>  
> 
> test'; ">

And now Lauren:
I haven't seen any of the LOTR series yet either!  I am that third 
person!  lol






From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 16:51:41 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 16:51:41 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, AnitaKH <anita_hillin at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Susanne <siskiou at ...> wrote:    
> I have no idea about the politics behind the scenes, but it
>  just seemed really odd how much Ron was changed from movie
>  one to the subsequent ones.
>  
>  One thing I'm pretty certain of is that Rupert didn't ask
>  the director/script writer if he could please be turned into
>  a whimpering coward and his lines given to other people, or
>  changed to fit his "new image". ;)
>  
> akh weighs in:
> 
> At the risk of sounding like I'm not a Rupert Grint fan (and I'm a 
fan of all three), there may be some - I hesitate to say "politics," 
but we'll go with that for now.  
>SNIP SNIP SNIP 
> 
> I read some article when POA was being filmed that mentioned 
Rupert had trouble not breaking into laughter.  For a given 
director, that might be perfectly acceptable (Mark Williams talks 
about encouraging the boys to crack up during takes in COS); for 
another, it might mean less screen time.  
> 
> Rupert has had by far the best comic timing from the beginning, so 
it doesn't surprise me he gets the lion's share of the laugh lines.  
In fact, I remember thinking, "Hey, that's Harry's line in the 
book," with one of the laugh lines he gets (can I remember which 
movie, here at work?  Of course not!)  The down side is that if you 
are carrying the load of comedy relief, it doesn't leave much time 
to be deep or serious.
> 
SNIP some more
> 
> Dan is definitely getting better at comedy, although Rupert's 
still king (the Phelps twins have developed quite a nice comic 
rhythm, too).  That gives the screenwriter and the director more 
latitude to divvy up the comedy relief.  
> 
> akh, who's not sure she made her intended point, but blames her 
head cold for incoherence


And now Lauren:

Ok, so I totally ripped this off from Veritaserum.com (will I get in 
trouble?) I HAD to do it, you see, because it has something here 
that I think many of us would find interesting...

Rupert attends 'Driving Lessons' NY premiere 
Posted by Matthew on 05-01-06 @ 1:16 PM - 51 comments 
 Rupert Grint attended the North American premiere of his new movie, 
Driving Lessons, at the Tribeca Film Festival yesterday, and several 
pictures are now up at Getty Images. He participated in a Q&A 
session following the first screening, and VTM reader Laura sent in 
the following report from it:
The director, Jeremy Brock, Rupert, Laura Linney, and several 
producers were there and took questions after the screening. The 
very first question was from a girl, asking if Rupert would give her 
a hug, which he did. Jeremy Brock was asked why he picked Rupert. 
Brock said he had seen the HP films and thought Rupert 
was "underused" and "hugely talented. I put my faith in him and he 
repaid me wonderfully." Most of the other questions went to Rupert.

Q. How was it doing something out of HP?
A. It was quite scary to come into something completely different. 

Q. What was it like to film your first on-screen kiss?
A. Quite scary, took us about 15 takes. The girl was really helpful, 
really good. 

There we have it: Rupert is underused, and he's hugely talented.  
Just thought you'd like to know someone in the movie making world 
agrees.







From rkdas at charter.net  Tue May  2 19:13:00 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:13:00 -0000
Subject: Utilizing Rupert
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "laurenmcoakley" 
<laurenmcoakley at ...> wrote:
>
>> And now Lauren:
> 
> Ok, so I totally ripped this off from Veritaserum.com (will I get 
in 
> trouble?) I HAD to do it, you see, because it has something here 
> that I think many of us would find interesting...
> 
> Rupert attends 'Driving Lessons' NY premiere 
> Posted by Matthew on 05-01-06 @ 1:16 PM - 51 comments 
>  Rupert Grint attended the North American premiere of his new 
movie, 
> Driving Lessons, at the Tribeca Film Festival yesterday, and 
several 
> pictures are now up at Getty Images. He participated in a Q&A 
> session following the first screening, and VTM reader Laura sent 
in 
> the following report from it:
> The director, Jeremy Brock, Rupert, Laura Linney, and several 
> producers were there and took questions after the screening. The 
> very first question was from a girl, asking if Rupert would give 
her 
> a hug, which he did. Jeremy Brock was asked why he picked Rupert. 
> Brock said he had seen the HP films and thought Rupert 
> was "underused" and "hugely talented. I put my faith in him and he 
> repaid me wonderfully." Most of the other questions went to Rupert.
> 
> Q. How was it doing something out of HP?
> A. It was quite scary to come into something completely different. 
> 
> Q. What was it like to film your first on-screen kiss?
> A. Quite scary, took us about 15 takes. The girl was really 
helpful, 
> really good. 
> 
> There we have it: Rupert is underused, and he's hugely talented.  
> Just thought you'd like to know someone in the movie making world 
> agrees.
>
Jen D. here,
Woooh! That's an awesome quotation for Rupert's sake! Thanks for 
putting it up! It's easy to think that what we write here is just 
us blwoing off steam and but that director mirrored exactly what so 
many of you all have been saying! Two points for the fans!
Yippee!
Jen D.






From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Wed May  3 07:26:37 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 03:26:37 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
Message-ID: <3d5.22f621e.3189b52d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/2/06 12:55:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com writes:


> 
> And now Lauren:
> I haven't seen any of the LOTR series yet either!  I am that third 
> person!  lol
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Well, then there must be four because I haven't either, nor have I read the 
books or ever will.

Sandy


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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed May  3 10:59:46 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:59:46 -0000
Subject: Harry and LOTR
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SNIPPED 
> Well, then there must be four because I haven't either, nor have I 
read the 
> books or ever will.
> 
> Sandy

Sandy,
If you read them, you will be astounded at the many things the books 
have in common with HP. There are some familiar monsters, lots of 
wonderful heroics, an unassuming hero. I fought off LOTR for a while. 
My tag line was "I can't handle two obsessions at the same time." But 
I have found that they compliment each other. I am listening to LOTR 
on cd now and it's a great ride!
Jen D.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed May  3 11:21:24 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:21:24 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Utilizing Rupert/was Harry and Hermione
In-Reply-To: <3d5.22f621e.3189b52d@aol.com>
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On May 3, 2006, at 2:26 AM, OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/2/06 12:55:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>>
>> And now Lauren:
>> I haven't seen any of the LOTR series yet either!  I am that third
>> person!  lol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, then there must be four because I haven't either, nor have I  
> read the
> books or ever will.

kchulis:
That's too bad. They're really good.



From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 00:16:29 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <1146620894.571.50747.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060504001629.37355.qmail@web60919.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all.  I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in too.  I,
like I said, adore Rupert.  He's what made me a fan of
the first movie (having never read the books yet), so
he rocks to me always.  However, Dan is a great little
guy (well he'll be 17 this year, guess he's not that
little anymore), and an awesome actor.  He IS Harry
for me, Rupert IS Ron, and just to even it up, Emma IS
Hermione.  But back to Dan, that scene in Prisoner
that everyone dislikes, I'm on the bandwagon as well. 
I look away usually.  That thing he did with his mouth
is really the part that kills it for me.  Then again,
when he was suppose to laugh in GOF at Malfoy turning
into a ferret he kind of did that again.  I don't know
if he realizes how it looks, or even cares, point is,
outside of those little things, MOST of the movie(s)
was acted out brilliantly, by all three.  
Also if you think about it, he has improved his
ability to act "upset" since SS.  Take SS when he's
looking at Snape as if he's angry outside
McGonnagall's office, very bland, good for his age but
bland.  COS in the Chamber with Tom Riddle, personally
I think his yelling back and forth with him, he did a
good job.  Then in Prisoner, we all know the sitting
on the rock and crying/angry scene (not so great),
shrieking shack scene however, EXCELLENT in my
opinion.  Then Goblet, arguing with Ron, excellent,
yelling at Malfoy, EXCELLENT.  So I think he has
improved greatly.  and luckily it's been in the
"acting angry" department because Harry nothing but
angry in Order.
Coincidently, i also laugh at that scene in SS when
the broom handle hits Ron in the face and he and Harry
laugh.  I always watch SS and sound like a parent "oh
they were just babies then!  they are so cute!" Yeah,
I know, pathetic!!!  But I can't wait to see my 2
grown boys in Driving Lessons and December Boys. 
Someone mentioned a trailer of Rupert and Julie doing
a shakesphere scene, do you have that link??  I've
been looking for all trailers of both movies.


peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

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From bboyminn at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 05:38:55 2006
From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 05:38:55 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <20060504001629.37355.qmail@web60919.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e3c41f+kliv@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> ...edited... But I can't wait to see my 2
> grown boys in Driving Lessons and December Boys. 
> Someone mentioned a trailer of Rupert and Julie doing
> a shakesphere scene, do you have that link??  I've
> been looking for all trailers of both movies.
> 
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace

bboyminn:

The movie trailers I saw are at ComingSoon.net (link below). There is
also an interview with Rupert there.

Interview-
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/indietopnews.php?id=14208

Two Quicktime Trailers (bottom of page)-
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=14184

The second trailer is the Shakespear trailer.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn






From jheiler at sympatico.ca  Thu May  4 14:56:03 2006
From: jheiler at sympatico.ca (jeanico2000)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:56:03 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <20060504001629.37355.qmail@web60919.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e3d4m3+cffe@eGroups.com>

*snip*
...That thing he did with his mouth
is really the part that kills it for me.  Then again,
when he was suppose to laugh in GOF at Malfoy turning
into a ferret he kind of did that again.  I don't know
if he realizes how it looks, or even cares...

Hi, Candace: what mouth thing? you have me curious!!  

As I've said in a previous post, perhaps that crying sequence in POA 
doesn't sit right because of the circumstances of the scene. Harry 
should be ANGRY, not CRYING! As for Dan's crying in GOF, it was 
amazingly good, IMO... between him and Cedric's dad, I went through a 
ton of Kleenex! LOL!   






From rkdas at charter.net  Thu May  4 21:29:26 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:29:26 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <20060504001629.37355.qmail@web60919.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.  I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in too.  I,
> like I said, adore Rupert.  He's what made me a fan of
> the first movie (having never read the books yet),

Hi Candace!
This line in your post jumped out at me! Read the HP books! They are 
fabulous! They will open up such a world that the movies can only hint 
at! There's so much detail and so many funny things and the characters 
are so interesting. I can't say enough about how great the books are. 
And if you don't have the time to sit down, I listen to them. The 
reader for the American editions, Jim Dale, is brilliant! The movies 
will be so enhanced for you after you get to know the books. Run, 
don't walk, to the library and get them! You'll be in for so much fun 
and enjoyment!
Jen D.
Let us hear what you think!








From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Sat May  6 03:01:12 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:01:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Dan's acting, and other observations
Message-ID: <12003537.1637631146884472392.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net>


>The movie trailers I saw are at ComingSoon.net (link below). There is
>also an interview with Rupert there.
>
>Interview-
>http://www.comingsoon.net/news/indietopnews.php?id=14208

>Two Quicktime Trailers (bottom of page)-
>http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=14184
>
>The second trailer is the Shakespear trailer.
>Just passing it along.
Steve/bboyminn

I LOVED the Shakespeare trailer! That was cute! It was nice to see Ron (oops, Rupert!) in a different role! That Julie Walters is an awesome actress, isn't she? Underused in HP, unfortunately. Sheesh, they forgot her altogether in GOF!
Dunno about Laura Linney's Brit accent, though...
Valerie





From gloworm419 at yahoo.com  Sat May  6 22:51:06 2006
From: gloworm419 at yahoo.com (gloworm419)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 22:51:06 -0000
Subject: A question about a scene from the movie:
Message-ID: <e3j98q+n4oc@eGroups.com>

Hi all,
I've seen GOF about a dozen times now and I'm perplexed about
something Hermione says in the hilarious scene when the trio are in
Snape's class when he keeps hitting Ron and Harry in the head with a
book. Recall if you will when Ron realizes that Hermione is indeed a
girl and says so...what was Hermione's response to that? I keep going
back to it and I can't understand what she said...anyone?

Footnote: I really wish the directors or producers or whoever is in
charge of the DVD's of the films would put in gag reels. I would LOVE
to see the wonderful actor Alan Rickman "crack up" while in "Snape
mode".

Any comments?

Gloria









From zpavri at aol.com  Sat May  6 22:56:26 2006
From: zpavri at aol.com (zpavri at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:56:26 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A question about a scene from the movie:
Message-ID: <35e.3c3cb80.318e839a@aol.com>

I believe Hermione states "Oh well spotted, Ron"  I  thought it was funny 
too.  I usually put on my closed captioning so that I  don't miss out on any 
dialogue.
Zee


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From rkdas at charter.net  Sun May  7 23:34:55 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 23:34:55 -0000
Subject: A question about a scene from the movie:
In-Reply-To: <35e.3c3cb80.318e839a@aol.com>
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Hi all!
Did you find that this movie, GOF, had lots more British slang than 
previous films? I know there was a big fuss made over changes 
like "trainers" and "jumpers" but I was thrilled to hear things 
like "take the mickey out of her" and "well spotted." My kids and I 
were lucky enough to get hold of two of the British editions of the 
books (via India, no less!) and were amazed at the many changes made 
to accomadate American English. Since that time, (right after COS came 
out) we've been thrilled with the increase in British forms of speech 
and slang. But like Zee, we do keep the captions on to catch every 
nuance. 
Linguistically yours,
Jen D.






From aglicksman at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 00:29:51 2006
From: aglicksman at yahoo.com (aglicksman)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 00:29:51 -0000
Subject: moving between mediums
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I have been doing Harry Potter "light," that is I have seen all four 
movies.  Now I am interested in the books.  Can I begin with book 5, or 
will the difference be so great that I really need to begin with book 1?

Thanks,

Allen









From illyana at mindspring.com  Mon May  8 03:20:03 2006
From: illyana at mindspring.com (illyana delorean)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:20:03 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] moving between mediums
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do yourself a favor and begin with book one. i think everyone here  
will agree that the movies leave out so many great scenes and lines  
from the books; plus, books are always better than the movies that  
are based on them. also, if you begin with book five, there are some  
things that may be confusing because the movies leave out so much stuff.

illyana

On May 7, 2006, at 8:29 PM, aglicksman wrote:

> I have been doing Harry Potter "light," that is I have seen all four
> movies.  Now I am interested in the books.  Can I begin with book  
> 5, or
> will the difference be so great that I really need to begin with  
> book 1?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allen
>
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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  8 03:44:35 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:44:35 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] moving between mediums
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It's not really the "difference" but rather I feel like these books  
are really character driven, plus they evolve at the same rate as the  
characters age and really fit each year. I would definitely advise  
starting with book 1. It's much too fun and I think that you see the  
psychological development better.


On May 7, 2006, at 7:29 PM, aglicksman wrote:

> I have been doing Harry Potter "light," that is I have seen all four
> movies.  Now I am interested in the books.  Can I begin with book  
> 5, or
> will the difference be so great that I really need to begin with  
> book 1?
>
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From OctobersChild48 at aol.com  Mon May  8 04:27:39 2006
From: OctobersChild48 at aol.com (OctobersChild48 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 00:27:39 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] moving between mediums
Message-ID: <432.36fca6.319022bb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/06 11:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
illyana at mindspring.com writes:


> do yourself a favor and begin with book one. i think everyone here  
> will agree that the movies leave out so many great scenes and lines  
> from the books; plus, books are always better than the movies that  
> are based on them. also, if you begin with book five, there are some  
> things that may be confusing because the movies leave out so much stuff.
> 
> illyana
> 
> 

Absolutely. You have to start with book one. You will have plenty of time to 
read all five (or six) before Phoenix is released. You are in for quite a 
treat.

Sandy


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Mon May  8 04:44:20 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 23:44:20 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] moving between mediums
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On May 7, 2006, at 11:27 PM, OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/7/06 11:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> illyana at mindspring.com writes:
>
>
>> do yourself a favor and begin with book one. i think everyone here
>> will agree that the movies leave out so many great scenes and lines
>> from the books; plus, books are always better than the movies that
>> are based on them. also, if you begin with book five, there are some
>> things that may be confusing because the movies leave out so much  
>> stuff.
>>
>> illyana
>>
>>
>
> Absolutely. You have to start with book one. You will have plenty  
> of time to
> read all five (or six) before Phoenix is released. You are in for  
> quite a
> treat.
>
> Sandy
If you are like the rest of us, you will even reread them. Several  
times. :D




From jeffschick16 at yahoo.com  Tue May  9 03:45:02 2006
From: jeffschick16 at yahoo.com (can can)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] books and accents
In-Reply-To: <1147105661.221.1176.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060509034502.13834.qmail@web60916.mail.yahoo.com>

>I have been doing Harry Potter "light," that is I have seen all four 
>movies. Now I am interested in the books. Can I begin with book 5, or 
>will the difference be so great that I really need to begin with book 1?
>Allen
   
  Wow!  It's so funny that you asked that question because I started with Order, before I read anything else. I went from Order to Goblet to HBP then to SS, COS, and Prisoner lol.  I personally didn't want to read any of the books, until I graduated or I would have to try fitting them in between Communist Manifesto and all that insanity I HAVE to read for school, but I broke down at Target and bought Order.  I guess there were some things I didn't know, but really, having watched the movies soo many times, I felt like the basic things they mentioned, I already knew.  Just make sure you hold on to your seat, listen to some relaxing music or have a drink (if you prefer) if you read that first because it was A LOT to deal with.  Having watched the movies, all you may see are the actors and having a face to story makes you feel even more involved and feeling for the character although JKR is great at doing that already.  But its just like Emma said about reading the books now,
 she can see her, Dan and Rupert acting them out.  Good luck with whatever you choose.  
   
  >Hi all!
>Did you find that this movie, GOF, had lots more British slang than 
>previous films? 
  >Jen D.

  Jen, I noticed that too and absolutly loved it!  I didn't know who had directed Goblet at the time, but when I first watched it, I found myself saying outloud, "They're awfully British in this one, aren't they?"  Then when I found out about Newell, I figured it was because of him.  Like Dan said "He's very English."  
  Does anyone else here, especially my fellow Amercians, LOVE the fact that there is no random American walking through Hogwarts?  Malfoy doesn't have a surfer dude kind of accent and McGonnagall is not from New YORK.  I love it!  It's keeps it so seperate from my world, which is what makes it such an easy escape.  Don't get me wrong, I love all of our accents in this country, it's just I prefer my Hogwarts world British, Irish and so on.




peace........real love.........

Candace

"cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."

"Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne




 

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From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Tue May  9 17:02:03 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:02:03 -0000
Subject: books and accents
In-Reply-To: <20060509034502.13834.qmail@web60916.mail.yahoo.com>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, can can <jeffschick16 at ...> wrote:
>
<SNIP SNIP SNIP> 
>   Does anyone else here, especially my fellow Amercians, LOVE the 
fact that there is no random American walking through Hogwarts?  
Malfoy doesn't have a surfer dude kind of accent and McGonnagall is 
not from New YORK.  I love it!  It's keeps it so seperate from my 
world, which is what makes it such an easy escape.  Don't get me 
wrong, I love all of our accents in this country, it's just I prefer 
my Hogwarts world British, Irish and so on.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> peace........real love.........
> 
> Candace
> 
> "cuz...the worlds alot bigger than you and me...."
> 
> "Darling, the Wicked Witch has NOTHING on me!"  Sharon Osbourne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> test'; ">
 		
Lauren here:
Candace, I DO enjoy Hogwarts being somewhere else in the world.  As 
Americans, we are immersed in our culture, and it's really 
refreshing to be exposed to something else.  Surfer dudes, Southern 
Belles, and those stereotypical mafia thugs from "Joisey" (hey- I'm 
a New Jersey girl, and we don't all talk like that, don't all wear 
spandex leggings, have big hair and wear too much make-up!), while 
these things make up a collective culture of the US, which is neat 
because it's such a large country, but I think (maybe I am) 
even "over-exposed"- it's just not so interesting when you grow up 
with it.

Actually, I wish the HP movies were *MORE* British- I loved "Bend it 
Like Beckham" (which had the additional intrigue of Indian culture 
in there as well!)  I hope to visit Europe sometime in my life, and 
you can believe England, Ireland & Scotland will be on that 
itinerary, largely because of my love of HP and it's descriptions of 
this foreign land!







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed May 10 03:56:19 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 23:56:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] books and accents
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On May 8, 2006, at 11:45 PM, can can wrote:

>  >I have been doing Harry Potter "light," that is I have seen all four
>  >movies. Now I am interested in the books. Can I begin with book 5, or
>  >will the difference be so great that I really need to begin with 
> book 1?
>  >Allen
>
>  ? Jen, I noticed that too and absolutly loved it!? I didn't know who 
> had directed Goblet at the time, but when I first watched it, I found 
> myself saying outloud, "They're awfully British in this one, aren't 
> they?"? Then when I found out about Newell, I figured it was because 
> of him.? Like Dan said "He's very English."?

Oh, I can't imagine reading the books out of sequence...although I just 
recently read COS and listened to the CD for the first time. I had, of 
course, seen the movie, but there was detail left out, as always.
I would think it would be waaayyy confusing to read them out of 
sequence, personally. It's all leading up to the grand finale in book 
7. Each book builds on the previous one. JKR packs so much detail in 
each book that it's hard enough to remember what happened in each 
book...Just my opinion...

And yes, loved the slang, especially since they are teens now. "right 
foul git" was my fav. WHAT was it that Harry said when Ron was talking 
about Hermione not having a date "Because she'd tear(?) or take(?) the 
mickey out of us if she did" What does that mean??
What were some of the other great slang phrases? "Piss off" was quite 
daring.
Loved the "Go back to your knitting!"
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed May 10 04:00:20 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:00:20 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] A question about a scene from the movie:
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On May 6, 2006, at 6:51 PM, gloworm419 wrote:

>  Hi all,
>  I've seen GOF about a dozen times now and I'm perplexed about
>  something Hermione says in the hilarious scene when the trio are in
>  Snape's class when he keeps hitting Ron and Harry in the head with a
>  book. Recall if you will when Ron realizes that Hermione is indeed a
>  girl and says so...what was Hermione's response to that? I keep going
>  back to it and I can't understand what she said...anyone?
>
She replies "Well spotted!"
I've also found that putting captions on my TV helps catch all the 
subtleties.
Valerie




From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed May 10 04:03:19 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:03:19 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry and LOTR
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On May 3, 2006, at 6:59 AM, susanbones2003 wrote:

>  SNIPPED
>  > Well, then there must be four because I haven't either, nor have I
>  read the
>  > books or ever will.
>  >
>  > Sandy
>
>  Sandy,
>  If you read them, you will be astounded at the many things the books
>  have in common with HP. There are some familiar monsters, lots of
>  wonderful heroics, an unassuming hero. I fought off LOTR for a while.
>  My tag line was "I can't handle two obsessions at the same time." But
>  I have found that they compliment each other. I am listening to LOTR
>  on cd now and it's a great ride!
>  Jen D.

Good idea (books on CD). I tried and tried to read LOTR, and it was 
just sooooo detail-oriented, I kept getting lost.
Valerie




From rkdas at charter.net  Wed May 10 11:34:10 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:34:10 -0000
Subject: books and accents
In-Reply-To: <373d65dc28d528830c8525cbf089f9e3@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e3sj3i+708v@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>Val wrote (jen snipped)
 
> And yes, loved the slang, especially since they are teens 
now. "right 
> foul git" was my fav. WHAT was it that Harry said when Ron was 
talking 
> about Hermione not having a date "Because she'd tear(?) or take(?) 
the 
> mickey out of us if she did" What does that mean??
> What were some of the other great slang phrases? "Piss off" was 
quite 
> daring.
> Loved the "Go back to your knitting!"
> Valerie

Val,
To take the mickey out of someone means to tease them mercilessly, 
so Hermione didn't tell Harry and Ron who her date was because she 
knew they'd take the mickey out of her. 

Also, listening to LOTR is a good intro to the books. I think it 
helps get you into the rhythm of the writing and then the actual 
written word won't be so daunting. I am finding now that I am into 
the story that I do want to see the words. Tolkien was a philologist 
and the words, the look, the shape, the sound of them was the reason 
for the story. He created the stories to have a foundation for the 
languages, not to downplay the absolutely enthralling stories. I 
think it was the perfect marriage...You will see a lot of HP in his 
work. And Jo's obvious love of language and myth echo Tolkien so 
beautifully.
Jen D.
>








From cassy_ferris at yahoo.com  Wed May 10 08:29:58 2006
From: cassy_ferris at yahoo.com (Cassy Ferris)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:29:58 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: =?koi8-r?q?=EF=D4=D7=C5=D4:=20Re:=20[HPFGU-Movie]=20books=20and=20accents?=
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>can can wrote: 
   
  >Does anyone else here, especially my fellow Amercians, LOVE the fact that >there is no random American walking through Hogwarts?  
   
  Well, I absolutely love it! I mean, there's not many films around where you can hear British speech. And I think it's essential for Harry Potter to stay British, it's one of those stories that would loose a considerable part of their appeal if they were "internationalized". Though, persannaly, I didn't notice that GoF became more British then PoA (well, it became less Mexican ;) ). But when Columbus was in charge, then there were plenty of American cliches throughout the movies, imho.
   
  Cassy

   Yahoo!?     Yahoo! ! 
http://ru.mail.yahoo.com 

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From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed May 10 20:18:25 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:18:25 -0000
Subject: Harry and LOTR
In-Reply-To: <4984de9cf127f2778a10cbf49e4a2e34@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e3thqh+jvqt@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe 
<valerie.flowe at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> On May 3, 2006, at 6:59 AM, susanbones2003 wrote:
> 
> >  SNIPPED
> >  > Well, then there must be four because I haven't either, nor 
have I
> >  read the
> >  > books or ever will.
> >  >
> >  > Sandy
> >
> >  Sandy,
> >  If you read them, you will be astounded at the many things the 
books
> >  have in common with HP. There are some familiar monsters, lots 
of
> >  wonderful heroics, an unassuming hero. I fought off LOTR for a 
while.
> >  My tag line was "I can't handle two obsessions at the same 
time." But
> >  I have found that they compliment each other. I am listening to 
LOTR
> >  on cd now and it's a great ride!
> >  Jen D.
> 
> Good idea (books on CD). I tried and tried to read LOTR, and it 
was 
> just sooooo detail-oriented, I kept getting lost.
> Valerie
>
Well, had to pipe in and say a couple of things...

one - I bought the British versions of Harry Potter in paperback 
because I wanted the Britspeak that was edited out in the early HP 
books. I noticed it started coming back in towards the last few 
books but they still change some of the text and I just don't get 
why. I purchase the American versions too when the books are 
released and then have some kind friend/co-worker who is visiting 
the UK around the time the paperbacks are released pick up the 
British version for me - that way I am not explaining too much HP 
spending to my muggle husband (likes the movies but won't read the 
books).

Two - I like LOTR. Yes it is highly detailed but I fell in love with 
them back in High School (which was some time ago as I am 43 now). 
Anyway, I think LOTR is one of the reasons I began to love HP so 
much in the beginning - though I will admit I like HP better now. 
One thing though for those who love Jacksons version of LOTR the 
films, he changed quite a few things from the books too - so Steve 
Kloves isn't the only one. I think the one major change that got me 
was someone who died in the movies at one of the battles didn't in 
the books. I sat next to a really die hard Tolkien fan who nearly 
threw her popcorn at the screen. I won't say any more since some of 
you haven't read and/or seen the films. But I really think the books 
and the films are worth reading/seeing.

Oh and the poster that was asking about reading the HP books...I 
recommend reading them in order. Even though you have seen the 
films, there are things not in the films in one book that lead to 
things in other books (also not in the films) and it just makes more 
sense that way. Just my 2 knuts.

Theresa








From anmsmom333 at cox.net  Wed May 10 20:27:54 2006
From: anmsmom333 at cox.net (Theresa)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:27:54 -0000
Subject: Dan's acting, and other observations
In-Reply-To: <e3d4m3+cffe@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e3tica+5llm@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jeanico2000" <jheiler at ...> wrote:
>
> *snip*
> ...That thing he did with his mouth
> is really the part that kills it for me.  Then again,
> when he was suppose to laugh in GOF at Malfoy turning
> into a ferret he kind of did that again.  I don't know
> if he realizes how it looks, or even cares...
> 
> Hi, Candace: what mouth thing? you have me curious!!  
> 
> As I've said in a previous post, perhaps that crying sequence in POA 
> doesn't sit right because of the circumstances of the scene. Harry 
> should be ANGRY, not CRYING! As for Dan's crying in GOF, it was 
> amazingly good, IMO... between him and Cedric's dad, I went through 
a 
> ton of Kleenex! LOL!
>
I think the mouth thing is supposed to be the "flustered can't think 
what I want to say look" Didn't really thinking about it until Candace 
mentioned it but did notice it in GOF - will go back and see it in 
POA. As for the scene everyone hates in POA. I have to admit it didn't 
really bother me that much even though my mind was saying "I liked the 
book version better." Harry is stunned in the book when learning about 
Sirius and it is not until later in the Common Room I think when he 
mentions killing Sirius. So I wondered why he had to cry - shock and 
anger were his book reaction and I think more appropriate. However, in 
Dan's defense, I was taking by a friend to see POA on IMAX a few 
months after the release and though I had already formed my opinion 
that he shouldn't have been crying in that scene I will state that on 
IMAX, there are tears on his cheeks and in his eyes. However, just 
like Emma in CoS final scene the facial expression didn't match the 
tears. I never understood why her eyes were teary in that scene - but 
then again that scene brings back a whole load of other questions on 
why was the ending made that way. And I actually dislike it more than 
Dan's crying scene.

Theresa







From rkdas at charter.net  Thu May 11 00:35:01 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:35:01 -0000
Subject: Harry and LOTR
In-Reply-To: <e3tpq4+sf8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e3u0rl+eh9q@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Theresa" <anmsmom333@> wrote:
> SNIPPED
> > 
> > Two - I like LOTR. Yes it is highly detailed but I fell in love 
> with 
> > them back in High School (which was some time ago as I am 43 
now). 
> > Anyway, I think LOTR is one of the reasons I began to love HP so 
> > much in the beginning - though I will admit I like HP better 
now. 
> > One thing though for those who love Jacksons version of LOTR the 
> > films, he changed quite a few things from the books too - so 
Steve 
> > Kloves isn't the only one. I think the one major change that got 
> me 
> > was someone who died in the movies at one of the battles didn't 
in 
> > the books. I sat next to a really die hard Tolkien fan who 
nearly 
> > threw her popcorn at the screen. I won't say any more since some 
> of 
> > you haven't read and/or seen the films. But I really think the 
> books 
> > and the films are worth reading/seeing.
> SNIPPED AGAIN!
> 
> > Theresa
> > 
> 
> Hi Theresa
> (Treading carefully now to keep this post on topic...)
> The art of adaptation is very tricky, as we have seen in HP films 
> and yes, I am one of those HP fans who didn't much care for some 
of 
> the things Alphonso Cuaron did with my most favorite HP book. 
> Adaptation says so much about what a scriptwriter/director thinks 
of 
> the original work. We HP fans have learnt to roll with the 
punches, 
> I believe. We know very well how little input we have into how the 
> films are made. I think the thing you can say about HP is that 
while 
> there is always some room for playfulness, many times they are 
> approached from an expedient point of view. How do we trim this 
baby 
> down?  No, Chris Columbus wasn't expedient but he wasn't creative 
> enough from what I read on this list. He went "tumptetump" from 
one 
> set piece to the next. Big action, predictable reactions, 
> predictable is the worst criticism I guess you can lodge against a 
> director. I do think he cared to bring the WW to life. If he'd 
been 
> coupled with a very creative guy with a vision, then perhaps we'd 
> have gotten a stellar HP movie. GOF was very nice, no question, 
but 
> the love of HP, I just don't think we've seen a director who's 
> actually invested in HP. Please don't tell me AC was. I think he's 
> primarily invested in himself. And how cute/goth he could make HP 
> look and feel. Great for all of you who think HP is really a goth 
> story but I never saw it that way. Washed out colors and poor 
little 
> innocent birdies getting creamed by the Whomping willow were AC's 
> ideas, not Jo's. And so back to the point, adaptation reflects how 
> invested in a story a director can be. From that vantage point, to 
> even begin to take on LOTR, one must either be a raving lunatic or 
> totally in love with the books (or both). Changes, yes, big 
changes. 
> Arwen, anyone? Major reworking. Trumping up "cinematic tension" 
yes, 
> but the heart is still there. I just hope before it's all over, we 
> see a  director/script team who love HP as much as Peter, Fran and 
> Philippa loved LOTR. That, that would be something!
> Jen D. 
> (Kept it on topic for the most part! Hah!)
> 
> > Theresa
> >
>







From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Thu May 11 05:56:10 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:56:10 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: books and accents
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References: <e3sj3i+708v@eGroups.com>
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>  Also, listening to LOTR is a good intro to the books. I think it
>  helps get you into the rhythm of the writing and then the actual
>  written word won't be so daunting. I am finding now that I am into
>  the story that I do want to see the words. Tolkien was a philologist
>  and the words, the look, the shape, the sound of them was the reason
>  for the story. He created the stories to have a foundation for the
>  languages, not to downplay the absolutely enthralling stories. I
>  think it was the perfect marriage...You will see a lot of HP in his
>  work. And Jo's obvious love of language and myth echo Tolkien so
>  beautifully.
>  Jen D.
>  >
> I just watched 'Narnia; Lion, Witch, Wardrobe' tonight. Very well 
> done. It was fun to see the correlation between Narnia and LOTR: the 
> battle scene, the ogres and other hideous enemy. The witch reminded me 
> of Galadriel (in an evil way).
And also Narnia and Harry Potter: the Gryffin, the Phoenix, the 
Centaurs.
Valerie




From rkdas at charter.net  Sat May 13 00:24:26 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:24:26 -0000
Subject: books and accents
In-Reply-To: <fcfd33a000f6350a78a8f19d5c62e44c@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <e438vq+37r0@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at ...> 
wrote:
Val wrote:
 I just watched 'Narnia; Lion, Witch, Wardrobe' tonight. Very well 
> > done. It was fun to see the correlation between Narnia and LOTR: 
the 
> > battle scene, the ogres and other hideous enemy. The witch 
reminded me 
> > of Galadriel (in an evil way).
> And also Narnia and Harry Potter: the Gryffin, the Phoenix, the 
> Centaurs.
> Valerie
>
Hi Val,
Galadriel and the White Witch? Egad! The White Witch was evil! Now 
Galadriel wasn't exactly warm in the theatrical release but in the EE 
verions, she showed quite a different side, even with the scarry 
temptation scene, she was much more accessible. In this weird world, 
itseems strong women (evil or no) evoke similar reactions. Don't you 
like the fact that the mythic creatures in HP have real personality? 
The centaurs, Buckbeak, even the Sphinx in the maze (book only, 
sorry!) had a real persona. I get the feeling in Narnia that sometimes 
mythical creatures are devices only. 
Jen D. looking up the mythical creatures in OOTP. Are there any, 
Buckbeak notwithstandin?







From huskodog at yahoo.com  Sat May 13 02:29:24 2006
From: huskodog at yahoo.com (huskodog)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:29:24 -0000
Subject: Harry Potter RP
Message-ID: <e43ga4+2h04@eGroups.com>

I don't know who would be itnerested, but a friend of mine, a friend I
happened to have met over the internet, has set up a harry potter rp.
It is like an online comunity that role plays events in a harry potter
type roll. Each poster has a charecter and controls what that
charecter does. Please check it out and see if your interested. You
can rp as much or as little as little as you choose, we just hope to
have you. The link to the site is:
http://www.harrypotterhaven.l2p.net/rpg/index.php

Also please not, this isn't a discusion group and by no means am I
here to steal your members. I plan on sticking around and talking, I
have been searching for a group like this for some time. Thanks for
your time, I hope you at least check it out.










From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Sun May 14 20:38:17 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:38:17 -0000
Subject: Harry and LOTR
In-Reply-To: <e3u0rl+eh9q@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e484fp+o88r@eGroups.com>

< a  director/script team who love HP as much as Peter, Fran and
> Philippa loved LOTR.>

They SAID they loved it, BUT look at what they did to it.

Still, they say you always hurt the one you love,
and they sure did hurt Tolkien, and many people who really love him!






From rkdas at charter.net  Sun May 14 21:28:06 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:28:06 -0000
Subject: Harry and LOTR
In-Reply-To: <e484fp+o88r@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e487d6+9ses@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy at ...> wrote:
>
> < a  director/script team who love HP as much as Peter, Fran and
> > Philippa loved LOTR.>
> 
> They SAID they loved it, BUT look at what they did to it.
> 
> Still, they say you always hurt the one you love,
> and they sure did hurt Tolkien, and many people who really love 
him!
>
This is a battle that I am not prepared to take up, defending the 
film version of LOTR. All I can say is what Philippa said, on the 
2nd dvd extras, they are just one group of fans who adapted the 
books to film. They had many tough decisions to make and had they 
had more time, been able to go back and it not cost millions, they 
might have done some things differently, but they are just one group 
of fans. Maybe after some time, another group will have a go and do 
it better. They are more than aware of people who would have them 
crucified for the changes they made but then, we weren't in their 
shoes. Do you, and this is a very sincere, not snarky question, do 
you like some things about the films or is it all a wash for you? I 
am very new to them, I saw the films for the first time just a month 
and a half ago, and then I started the books. At any rate, I was 
struck by their love of the characters. I don't always see that in 
certain aspects of Harry Potter films. I know adaptation has got to 
be a mine field but I would have loved, just loved to have seen a 2 
part GOF. It is a long and detailed book and I think the audience 
would have loved more of the book in there. So much had to be left 
out, so much that couldn't even be hinted at. I thank MN for his 
efforts, I realise the contraints he worked under but I wish there 
had been more Harry. Nice to hear from you again. Come out and play 
more often.
Jen D.







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sun May 14 22:10:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:10:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Harry and LOTR
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No, the did not hurt Tolkien. They did a fabulous job adapting those  
books. I deliberately did not watch the movies for three years not  
believing they could be any good. My mistake. There is a vast  
difference in a novel narrative and a movie narrative. They are not  
the same thing. However, they kept the story well, and definitely the  
visual matched almost everything I ever imagined. Perhaps you only  
saw the theatrical releases instead of the extended versions (which  
were Jackson's REAL intent). If so, your loss.


On May 14, 2006, at 3:38 PM, joxy wrote:

> < a  director/script team who love HP as much as Peter, Fran and
>> Philippa loved LOTR.>
>
> They SAID they loved it, BUT look at what they did to it.
>
> Still, they say you always hurt the one you love,
> and they sure did hurt Tolkien, and many people who really love him!
>
>
>
>
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From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Tue May 16 19:31:22 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:31:22 -0000
Subject: No subject
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<They had many tough decisions to make
<..do you like some things about the films or is it all a wash for you?
<I was struck by their love of the characters.
<I would have loved..to have seen a 2 part GOF.
<Come out and play more often.
< Jen D.

I see no reason why they should make any decision to INVENT anything,
action or dialogue. Tolkien gave them plenty to work on, and a whole
lot more!
But they did invent, and that is what was a "wash" for me! The things
they had the poor characters doing, and especially saying, in their
inventions, would have wounded Tolkien to the heart! It only makes it
worse in that when they stuck to what they were given, by Tolkien,
they worked it brilliantly! As I said, IF it's true that "you only
hurt the one you love", then that proves they loved the characters
they mauled!
Who indeed wouldn't have wanted much more of GofF?!
And thanks very much for that welcome to the playground - much
appreciated!
Joxy






From kchuplis at alltel.net  Tue May 16 19:55:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:55:05 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)
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Message-ID: <000b01c67922$a04cbb30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

What did they "invent"? I've read the books several times, and seen the
movies several times. I don't recall them inventing anything.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joxy" <joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] (unknown)


> <They had many tough decisions to make
> <..do you like some things about the films or is it all a wash for you?
> <I was struck by their love of the characters.
> <I would have loved..to have seen a 2 part GOF.
> <Come out and play more often.
> < Jen D.
>
> I see no reason why they should make any decision to INVENT anything,
> action or dialogue. Tolkien gave them plenty to work on, and a whole
> lot more!
> But they did invent, and that is what was a "wash" for me! The things
> they had the poor characters doing, and especially saying, in their
> inventions, would have wounded Tolkien to the heart! It only makes it
> worse in that when they stuck to what they were given, by Tolkien,
> they worked it brilliantly! As I said, IF it's true that "you only
> hurt the one you love", then that proves they loved the characters
> they mauled!
> Who indeed wouldn't have wanted much more of GofF?!
> And thanks very much for that welcome to the playground - much
> appreciated!
> Joxy
>
>
>
>
>
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From rkdas at charter.net  Tue May 16 20:59:28 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:59:28 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c67922$a04cbb30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> What did they "invent"? I've read the books several times, and 
seen the
> movies several times. I don't recall them inventing anything.
> 
>Snipped
> > I see no reason why they should make any decision to INVENT 
anything,
> > action or dialogue. Tolkien gave them plenty to work on, and a 
whole
> > lot more!
> > But they did invent, and that is what was a "wash" for me! The 
things
> > they had the poor characters doing, and especially saying, in 
their
> > inventions, would have wounded Tolkien to the heart! It only 
makes it
> > worse in that when they stuck to what they were given, by 
Tolkien,
> > they worked it brilliantly! As I said, IF it's true that "you 
only
> > hurt the one you love", then that proves they loved the 
characters
> > they mauled!
> > Who indeed wouldn't have wanted much more of GofF?!
> > And thanks very much for that welcome to the playground - much
> > appreciated!
> > Joxy
>Jen D. here
I know they moved people's lines around, gave them to other 
characters. And maybe Joxxy is referring to Arwen's increased 
presence. That involved a bit of creative inventing but I felt it 
was true to her character. They certainly left a lot out, compacted 
and rearranged. But truly, the thing I wonder if you are thinking 
about is how they gave one character's lines to another character. 
They freely admit that and on the extras they explain their reasons 
many times. Oh yes, they did build up Faramir's story arc to make it 
more dramatic. I have a friend who is incensed over that, even lo 
these many years. But I have to echo Karen's question, have you seen 
the ee versions? My friend has never seen the extended editions, 
only the theatrical releases and the extended editions are superior 
in character development among other things. I so wish HP would put 
out extended versions! Wouldn't that be super?
By the way, see how nice we play these days?
Jen D.







From laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com  Wed May 17 14:02:22 2006
From: laurenmcoakley at yahoo.com (laurenmcoakley)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:02:22 -0000
Subject: Nicholas Hooper to compose for OoTP
Message-ID: <e4fade+tc5g@eGroups.com>

Lauren here:
It's been confirmed- Nicholas Hooper will be the next to compose for 
OoTP.  

I can't find a sample of his stuff anywhere.  I really hope he can 
make this film's soundtrack wonderful! 







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed May 17 14:19:38 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:19:38 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Nicholas Hooper to compose for OoTP
References: <e4fade+tc5g@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <000501c679bc$ee6978e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

I looked everywhere. I think he is very very very new. All I could find was
the tiger documentary and of course, that doesn't really give you any idea
of his style because he was writing "native" for it. I just hope it's good.

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> Lauren here:
> It's been confirmed- Nicholas Hooper will be the next to compose for
> OoTP.
>
> I can't find a sample of his stuff anywhere.  I really hope he can
> make this film's soundtrack wonderful!
>
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From chintz22 at yahoo.com  Thu May 18 18:12:35 2006
From: chintz22 at yahoo.com (chintz22)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:12:35 -0000
Subject: Nicholas Hooper
Message-ID: <e4idej+82v5@eGroups.com>

Nicholas Hooper did the music for "The Girl in the Cafe", which was 
also directed by David Yates.  The music was stunningly beautiful 
for "The Girl in the Cafe" and completely appropriate to the story.  I 
have high hopes for what he'll do on HP.  Great choice!






From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Thu May 18 22:12:54 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:12:54 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c67922$a04cbb30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <e4irh6+79r6@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> What did they "invent"?

They invented dozens of complete scenes,
and when they used original scenes they often invented a whole lot of
crass dialogue to ruin them.
Just start at the beginning of FOTR, as Frodo jumps into Gandalf's
cart and hugs him like a long-last uncle - a ludicrous invention and
pathetic dialogue!
I won't bore with any more details; the string of inventions
throughout the three films is well-known - notorious many would say.
So sad, when they had the privilege of access to far more original
material than they could ever have used, so that they had no need of
inventing anything.
But they didn't always invent, and there is much original material in
the films, action and dialogue, which is a lot better than nothing at all!








From rkdas at charter.net  Fri May 19 00:42:42 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:42:42 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <e4iuui+6fp7@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e4j4a2+g506@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > What did they "invent"?
> > 
> > They invented dozens of complete scenes,
> > and when they used original scenes they often invented a whole 
lot 
> of
> > crass dialogue to ruin them.
> > Just start at the beginning of FOTR, as Frodo jumps into 
Gandalf's
> > cart and hugs him like a long-last uncle - a ludicrous invention 
> and
> > pathetic dialogue!
> > I won't bore with any more details; the string of inventions
> > throughout the three films is well-known - notorious many would 
> say.
> > So sad, when they had the privilege of access to far more 
original
> > material than they could ever have used, so that they had no 
need 
> of
> > inventing anything.
> > But they didn't always invent, and there is much original 
material 
> in
> > the films, action and dialogue, which is a lot better than 
nothing 
> at all!
> 
> Jen D. here,
> You won't get me trying to convince you that all the invented 
stuff 
> they did was great. I just can't fight that battle with a serious 
> fan. But you will agree that Tolkien didn't always write in a way 
that would be amenable to film. When you look at the things they 
> invented, some times it was to get something established quickly. 
> Like that jumping into Gandalf's arms. And it would have been 
> idiotic had Frodo been his proper age. They chose to emphasis the 
> child-like nature of the Hobbits and then went one step further 
and 
> made them almost youngsters, untried, innocent. But did it matter 
to 
> you how much detail they went into in order to depict Middle Earth 
> properly? The Shire, all those many, many locations and the 
infinite 
> detail? I just finished reading the books and I can clearly see 
how 
> they rearranged information, created things, truncated or left out 
> so much. And it's not exactly the same story, of course not, but 
> it's got much of the same heart. That's my peeve with HP movies. 
> Sometimes I don't feel the film maker actually understood the 
heart 
> of the film. Putting in stuff can be self-indulgent, or it can 
serve 
> to make a better story, cinematically. I know they were going for 
a 
> better story cinematically. I never ever felt like they were 
> indulging themselves, or cutting a corner even. But I know you 
have 
> many people on your side. I won't convince you. Let's just hope 
the 
> next HP gets someone who is intent on getting at the heart of that 
> story because it is definitely the most difficult book to get 
> through!
> J
> >
>







From tmarends at yahoo.com  Fri May 19 12:36:15 2006
From: tmarends at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:36:15 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <e4j4a2+g506@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e4ke3v+vsof@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas at ...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "susanbones2003" <rkdas@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "joxy" <joxy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Karen" <kchuplis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What did they "invent"?
> > > 
> > > They invented dozens of complete scenes,
> > > and when they used original scenes they often invented a whole 
> lot 
> > of
> > > crass dialogue to ruin them.
> > > Just start at the beginning of FOTR, as Frodo jumps into 
> Gandalf's
> > > cart and hugs him like a long-last uncle - a ludicrous 
invention 
> > and
> > > pathetic dialogue!
> > > I won't bore with any more details; the string of inventions
> > > throughout the three films is well-known - notorious many would 
> > say.
> > > So sad, when they had the privilege of access to far more 
> original
> > > material than they could ever have used, so that they had no 
> need 
> > of
> > > inventing anything.
> > > But they didn't always invent, and there is much original 
> material 
> > in
> > > the films, action and dialogue, which is a lot better than 
> nothing 
> > at all!
> > 
> > Jen D. here,
> > You won't get me trying to convince you that all the invented 
> stuff 
> > they did was great. I just can't fight that battle with a serious 
> > fan. But you will agree that Tolkien didn't always write in a way 
> that would be amenable to film. When you look at the things they 
> > invented, some times it was to get something established quickly. 
> > Like that jumping into Gandalf's arms. And it would have been 
> > idiotic had Frodo been his proper age. They chose to emphasis the 
> > child-like nature of the Hobbits and then went one step further 
> and 
> > made them almost youngsters, untried, innocent. But did it matter 
> to 
> > you how much detail they went into in order to depict Middle 
Earth 
> > properly? The Shire, all those many, many locations and the 
> infinite 
> > detail? I just finished reading the books and I can clearly see 
> how 
> > they rearranged information, created things, truncated or left 
out 
> > so much. And it's not exactly the same story, of course not, but 
> > it's got much of the same heart. That's my peeve with HP movies. 
> > Sometimes I don't feel the film maker actually understood the 
> heart 
> > of the film. Putting in stuff can be self-indulgent, or it can 
> serve 
> > to make a better story, cinematically. I know they were going for 
> a 
> > better story cinematically. I never ever felt like they were 
> > indulging themselves, or cutting a corner even. But I know you 
> have 
> > many people on your side. I won't convince you. Let's just hope 
> the 
> > next HP gets someone who is intent on getting at the heart of 
that 
> > story because it is definitely the most difficult book to get 
> > through!
> > J
> > >
> >
>

A lot of LOTR book fans were disappointed with the films because of 
the departures the screenwriters made from the original story.  
However, a lot of people who may have read the books once (and may 
have had a hard time getting through them) found the films engaging 
and went back and gave the books another look... because they now had 
images in the heads to go along with the story.  People fell in love 
with the trilogy because of the films.

The same holds true to HP fans.  I did not pick up the books until 
after I had seen the first film.  So, for me, it's easier to accept 
the changes made from book to film as I was a fan of the films 
first... but I can easily understand how someone who was a fan of the 
books before the first film came out would be upset at what was 
changed.

Tim A








From rkdas at charter.net  Fri May 19 17:28:07 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:28:07 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <e4ke3v+vsof@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e4kv77+o6us@eGroups.com>

Tim wrote:
 A lot of LOTR book fans were disappointed with the films because
of
> the departures the screenwriters made from the original story.
> However, a lot of people who may have read the books once (and may
> have had a hard time getting through them) found the films
engaging
> and went back and gave the books another look... because they now
had
> images in the heads to go along with the story.  People fell in
love
> with the trilogy because of the films.
>
> The same holds true to HP fans.  I did not pick up the books until
> after I had seen the first film.  So, for me, it's easier to
accept
> the changes made from book to film as I was a fan of the films
> first... but I can easily understand how someone who was a fan of
the
> books before the first film came out would be upset at what was
> changed.
>
> Tim A
>
Jen here, yet again...(someone else get in here and add something!)
You make a wonderful point. I saw LOTR on TBS in April and went
gaga! Saw all the movies in about 8 days of trying to squeeze 30
minutes in here and there between my RL and was mesmerized! Then I
promptly picked up the recorded books and spent another amazing 3
weeks listening to the stories in their fullest form. I was thrilled
at all the things that were included from the books. I was thrilled 
that when they wanted to put Arwen in, they went to the appendices 
to find appropriate things. Some changes were probably very jarring 
for a book fan of long years. Having no history, I could accept that 
the two, the book and the films are different but I still found that 
at their core, the two have a very close correlation. As an HP fan, 
I found the transition to films many times jarring. I studied the 
books, re-read and re-read them. Loved every single precious word 
and then some new director comes along and his vision of Harry is so 
different from mine, I felt like I'd landed on another planet.

Did you know that the LOTR people used to sort of float rumors about
things they were thinking of doing to guage fan reaction? Wouldn't
that be neat if someone did that for HP? Peter Jackson had a
different situation with his film, he seemed to have more scope, 
mpre decision-making power. Everyone knew that each film would be 3 
hours and the HP guys seem to balk at that. Let's all hope that at 
some point someone puts out some extended editions!
Jen D.







From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri May 19 17:53:26 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Book adaptations
In-Reply-To: <e4kv77+o6us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060519175326.14172.qmail@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



susanbones2003 <rkdas at charter.net> asked:Jen here, yet again...(someone else get in here and add something!)
akh warns - you asked for it!

My love/hate relationship with books being adapted for film goes back to about 1963 or so - I think it was "Emil and the Detectives."  I loved seeing it on the screen, but was shocked - shocked! - to see they'd changed the ending.  How  dare they alter my beloved book?!?

Well, after vast experience in the ensuing 40 years of movie-going, where I've seen adaptations, "inspired by" reworkings, and other flights of imagination based on books I love (Little Women, various Dickens and Austen treatments, and I can't ignore How the Grinch Stole Christmas), I look for what I can enjoy and try to ignore departures.  

Mind you, I'm still critical of serious changes that I feel violate the spirit, strucure, or both (don't EVEN get me started on the 1940 "Pride and Prejudice. Grrr!).  That said, I found Jackson & Co made few departures that were neither within the plausible realm of Tolkien's world nor were possible for the characters as depicted in the books.  I say few, not none, but that's probably a discussion for the LOTR Yahoo group.

I have felt the same thus far with the HP movies, even POA, which seems to be either a viewer's favorite movie or least favorite.  I cannot know what goes on in the head of the director as he's reading the book, so for all I know, his adaptation is consitent with his interpretation of the text.  Heaven knows, there are multiple interpretations of JKR's text.  If you're in doubt, go visit the main HPfGU list.  Short of putting Hogwart's in the 19th (or 25th) century, making Harry a giggly girl or some other such outrage, I'm likely to go see the movies and enjoy them.  Is it the movie I would write?  Probably not.  Would anyone come to see the screenplay I would write?  Pretty likely not; I have no clue how to write a screenplay!

akh, who has time to pontificate, since her work's e-mail and web site are under siege right now...



		
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From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com  Sat May 20 05:48:02 2006
From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 01:48:02 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: (unknown)
Message-ID: <462.e8f10a.31a00792@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/19/2006 11:49:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rkdas at charter.net writes:
<<Jen here, yet again...(someone else get in here and add something!)>>
OK, you asked for it!


<<I saw LOTR on TBS in April and went 
gaga! ...<clip for space> I was thrilled 
at all the was from the books, delighted. And I could see why some 
things were changed, was sorry that certain things were changed but 
not unhappy at all. I could accept that the two things are different 
but yet have at their core, a very close correlation, for me at 
least. But what if I'd been a fan of the books for 30 or 40 years? >>

I've been one of the fans who stay pretty quiet on this list, but I guess I 
have to put in my 2 knuts (or 200, given my wordiness) on this subject.

I'm also one of those Tolkien fans who has loved the LotR books for over 35 
years. (I once worked out how to sign my name in Quenya, and I still have the 
bookmark I made kicking around the house somewhere.)

What I felt when I saw the first LotR movie was astonishment. Of course I 
noticed the changes that had been made to the story, but I was blown away by how 
much the filmmakers had managed to get INTO the films. I still get a chill 
whenever I see the scene of the Fellowship walking into view in the first movie 
trailer--seeing the hobbits (hairy bare feet and all) in perfect scale to the 
humans, dwarf, elf and wizard. I never expected anyone to be able to make those 
books into films successfully, so to see so many of my favorite scenes 
brought to visualization was thrilling to me. I felt such gratitude for that, and 
for the fact that three films were made, that I ignored the changes that I 
thought were made less successfully. Sure, I didn't agree with all of what was 
done, but I figure that if the director and writers help me see the fields of the 
Shire, the Halls of Moria, the Forbidden Pool, the destruction of the Living 
Eye...the sailing of the ship into the West...I'll let them indulge themselves 
by showing me their OWN favorite scenes. And, most importantly, I will let 
them construct a coherent narrative, even if it's not exactly like the book, 
because adaptation of the written word into a movie is so dang hard to begin with, 
and some of the differences are a matter of personal taste anyway. When I 
visited a list for LotR regularly a while ago, I was very amused about what some 
people think is "essential" to the story. Many of the lamented lost scenes 
were so non-essential to my view of the story, I realized that no one can do a 
perfect adaptation that everyone will like. 

(I will get on topic to Harry Potter in a minute, honestly...please bear with 
me!)

A typical movie script is around 100 pages long. That's all. While the 
visualization of scenes from a book cuts out massive amounts of descriptions, since 
we can see what's happening, it takes TIME to say the dialogue. It must be 
cut, cut, cut ruthlessly in order to fit into the running time of a movie. The 
recent movie adaptation of Pride and Prejudice, compared with the BBC miniseries 
version, is Jane Austen feather-light. It's about 2 hours long, instead of 
the 5 hours or so of the mini-series, a feat it accomplishes by cutting out all 
but a few scenes of Mr. Wickham. However, the major incidents of P&P were in 
the recent movie (unlike the 1940 version, which not only cuts out Pemberly 
entirely but turns Lady Catherine deBourgh into a good guy matchmaker!). And even 
that BBC miniseries cuts out tons of Jane Austen's rapier-witted dialogue. To 
enjoy that, you have to go back to the book, visualizing the Elizabeth and 
Darcy of your choice!

I'll bet both Jane Austen and J.R.R. Tolkien would be upset about some of the 
changes made to their works in adapting them for the screen, but I also think 
both would be amazed that people cared so much for their stories that they 
would turn them into movies in the first place. Tolkien, you know, sold the 
rights to LotR to movie makers who meant to make cartoon versions of them. He 
became really upset when they wanted to cut his story's length by having the 
Fellowship fly from Rivendell to Mordor on the backs of the eagles! Jackson & 
company didn't do anything that radical, even by increasing Arwen's presence the 
way they did; and I suspect Tolkien would have been so thrilled such a great 
deal of Elvish dialogue made it into the films, he would have forgiven the fact 
that Arwen was saying much of it. Most of the major events of the story were 
essentially the same as he wrote it. The cutting out of the Scouring of the 
Shire was the major loss, and frankly, I'd had enough of battles by that point and 
was more than willing to forego it.

In this context, how strange it must be for JKR to be around and see what 
others are doing to her imaginings! (See, I told you I'd get there eventually.) 
Reportedly, she has been able to warn the producers about dropping some things 
they were tempted to eliminate (such as Sibyl Trelawney) because they would 
need to include them in later movies. She seems to be very accepting that the 
filmmakers will include things she never imagined in order to make the movie 
they feel will work. 

Think how well the scene AC interpolated into POA fits, with Harry and his 
mates clowning around in their tower room while Dementors floated ominously just 
outside the window, setting up what happens later, throughout the film. The 
talking shrunken head in the Knight Bus was hysterical enough that I suspect 
she wished she HAD thought of him! It was definitely in the spirit of her sense 
of humor. Even though POA was a relatively short HP book, lots of things 
couldn't fit into it. I suspect that even if the movie had been over 3 hours long, 
many people would have complained about a favorite scene that was missing.

Now, GOF is over 700 pages long, and a huge amount of it was cut out of the 
script right away. I enjoyed the movie anyway, because they did a good job with 
what they did keep. But OoP is almost 900 pages long, and HBP is "only" a 
little over 600 pages. Either of these movies could be 6 or more hours long. When 
we think of how much the HP movies cost to make, even in their "truncated" 
adaptations, can you imagine what it would cost to produce movies of that 
length? There's no way they could be profitable, and profit is essential in the 
movie business.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that no movie company can stay in 
business unless its movies show enough profit for them to make more, while 
allowing for a nice standard of living for the producers themselves... (Sorry about 
the paraphrase, Jane, but I couldn't resist.)

Unfortunately, while it is certainly our priviledge to wish for "extended 
versions" of the HP movies, it's not likely we will ever get LotR-style ones. 
Jackson actually filmed extra footage just for the DVDs, much of it after the 
first movie made so much money that the studio indulged him in his desire to make 
a version that would satisfy the fans more than the theatrical versions 
(works for me, by the way). But, unless footage was filmed at the time each HP 
movie was made, they can't go back and make more because of the growth rates of 
the kid cast. (They actually have hard time matching scenes in the same movie, 
with the way some of them have had growth spurts during the shooting schedule.) 

Maybe sometimes we need to focus on the gift of having what we have of the 
movies and not so much on the missing favorite scenes. I, for one, am glad not 
all of the scenes make it into the movies. I still want the joy of "seeing" 
them when I read the books. I like to keep those imagination muscles in practice!

jamelia


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Sat May 20 15:44:50 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:44:50 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <462.e8f10a.31a00792@aol.com>
References: <462.e8f10a.31a00792@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E3639843-98B6-4E3C-BB77-180A791CFDA4@alltel.net>


On May 20, 2006, at 12:48 AM, mugg1eb0rn at aol.com wrote:

>
> I've been one of the fans who stay pretty quiet on this list, but I  
> guess I
> have to put in my 2 knuts (or 200, given my wordiness) on this  
> subject.
>
> I'm also one of those Tolkien fans who has loved the LotR books for  
> over 35
> years. (I once worked out how to sign my name in Quenya, and I  
> still have the
> bookmark I made kicking around the house somewhere.)
>

(snip)

Nice post!! You said everything I was thinking. Spot on.



From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Sat May 20 19:11:31 2006
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 19:11:31 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <E3639843-98B6-4E3C-BB77-180A791CFDA4@alltel.net>
Message-ID: <e4npl3+108dh@eGroups.com>

> On May 20, 2006, at 12:48 AM, mugg1eb0rn at ... wrote:
> 
> >
> > I've been one of the fans who stay pretty quiet on this list, 
but I  
> > guess I
> > have to put in my 2 knuts (or 200, given my wordiness) on this  
> > subject.
> >
> > I'm also one of those Tolkien fans who has loved the LotR books 
for  
> > over 35
> > years. (I once worked out how to sign my name in Quenya, and I  
> > still have the
> > bookmark I made kicking around the house somewhere.)
> >
> 
> (snip)
> 
Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:

> Nice post!! You said everything I was thinking. Spot on.


Barb now:

I agree with pretty much the whole post. With some movies, I can see 
why cuts and changes were made, and even though I may not agree with 
them, I can understand them and can accept them.

I loved the LOtR movies, and I love the books. I think that the 
movies are reasonable interpretations of the books. I'm not thrilled 
with all of the changes, but I understand them. Tom Bobadil could've 
been a movie of his own (my husband was incensed that he was cut, 
but I understood it), Arwen's part was in the Appendices, and I 
enjoyed her part of the movie. I felt the love that the moviemakers 
had for the books.

For HP, I separate the books from the movies. For the most part, I 
really enjoy the movies. I love the books dearly. I'm not happy with 
all of the changes, but for the most part, I understand why they 
were made and can get past them.

Now, I cannot say that about the DaVinci Code. Without going into 
much discussion, since this is not a DaVinci Code forum, I 
absolutely cannot understand why so many changes were made, and I 
felt angered and cheated by the end of the movie. The vast majority 
of the movie I enjoyed, but by the end, I was angry. They changed 
the very nature of some of the characters, and made so many changes 
that seemed to serve no purpose. These changes did not save time, 
did not cut down on the number of characters, did not make the plot 
easier to follow-I don't see any possible reason for making them.

To get back to HP, I loved GoF (book)-my absolute favorite book. 
It's also my favorite movie (I think, I change my mind relatively 
frequently on which my favorite movie is). There were many, many 
changes, but it was an enormously long book, and short of making 2 
movies (my ideal, but didn't happen), they did what they could with 
what they had, and I thought it was very enjoyable. It's not the 
movie I would've made, but then again, nobody really wants to see a 
movie I make (namely because I don't make movies!). If I can 
understand the reasons for the changes, then I can get past them and 
enjoy both the books and the movies. LoTR-yes. HP-yes. DaVinci-no.

-Barb







From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Sun May 21 16:05:51 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:05:51 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
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Message-ID: <e4q34v+crlg@eGroups.com>

>you will agree that Tolkien didn't always write in a way that would
be amenable to film.

>did it matter to you how much detail they went into in order to
depict Middle Earth properly?

I do not agree with that! Nor did Jackson and his family! In many
scenes they were staisfied to use dialogue direct from Tolkien, and
there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't have found original
dialogue for every scene. One of Tolkien's great characteristics is
his consistent style of writing. Jackson was often happy enough with
what he had the privilege of working on, and that makes it all the
worse when at other times he substituted his own inventions which are
so inferior to the original.

Yes, of course, that "mattered". There is an enormous amount of superb
material from Tolkien in the three films; but again that makes it all
the worse that some parts, like the famous curate's egg, the products
of Jackson's feeble imagination, are so bad.









From joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk  Sun May 21 16:09:52 2006
From: joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk (joxy)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:09:52 -0000
Subject: (unknown)
In-Reply-To: <e4kv77+o6us@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e4q3cg+bhqb@eGroups.com>

>when they wanted to put Arwen in, they went to the appendices to find
appropriate things

What things are you - and another contributor - thinking of here?

And can you think of anything more INappropriate than making Arwen
sneak up on Aragorn with a sword and then take over the Flight to the
Ford?:-)







From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com  Mon May 22 00:37:03 2006
From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:37:03 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: (unknown)
Message-ID: <330.47dbfc2.31a261af@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2006 12:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
joxy at inet.karoo.co.uk writes:
<< >when they wanted to put Arwen in, they went to the appendices to find
appropriate things

What things are you - and another contributor - thinking of here?

And can you think of anything more INappropriate than making Arwen
sneak up on Aragorn with a sword and then take over the Flight to the
Ford?:-)  >>
As a matter of fact, yes: putting in the character of Glorfindel for that one 
scene and having him never reappear again until a cameo in the Coronation 
scene. I'd rather Arwen appeared a bit more in the story than that.

BUT...this is a list for the HP movies--what's the tie in?

I will add something myself, however, to keep this discussion in the Harry 
Potter realm (there are plenty of lists devoted to LotR if you want to deal with 
that exclusively...)

This thread began, I believe, with an HP fan wondering if the LotR movies and 
books are worth watching and reading. I say, a resounding "yes" to both. 
While JKR didn't spend decades developing the WW, as Tolkien did with Middle 
Earth, she shares with him an ability to create a world that readers can inhabit 
and imagine themselves living in. When you couple that with the attention to 
detail and their love of language, whether it is creating fantastic names or 
describing the fantastic worlds they created, I can see that someone who enjoys 
one will enjoy the other as well.

It is clear that no one will ever see everything they want in movies created 
from books--that's why it's a great idea to enjoy both.

jamelia


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu May 25 17:10:05 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:10:05 -0500
Subject: Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
Message-ID: <000701c6801e$11ade0e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>

Casting change. Wow. I think this is a stunning move and a great choice. She
will be wonderful.





From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Thu May 25 17:34:02 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:34:02 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
References: <000701c6801e$11ade0e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <065901c68021$6b9f83d0$6600a8c0@GARDENROOM>

Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or late. What source did you have for this?

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karen 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:10 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix


  Casting change. Wow. I think this is a stunning move and a great choice. She
  will be wonderful.


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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu May 25 17:58:11 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:58:11 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
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References: <000701c6801e$11ade0e0$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> <065901c68021$6b9f83d0$6600a8c0@GARDENROOM>
Message-ID: <AFCE5F9C-C2C3-488E-900F-8F77C6FF6B32@alltel.net>

It's on the leaky cauldron site. Sounds like the original actress is  
pregnant and can't fulfill the shooting schedule.

On May 25, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Michelle Chandler wrote:

> Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or late. What source  
> did you have for this?
>
> Michelle
> Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Karen
>   To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:10 PM
>   Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
>
>
>   Casting change. Wow. I think this is a stunning move and a great  
> choice. She
>   will be wonderful.
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From camckenzie at yahoo.com  Thu May 25 18:28:35 2006
From: camckenzie at yahoo.com (Catherine McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <1148579572.206.85724.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060525182835.79449.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or
> late. What source did you have for this?
> 
> Michelle
> Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator


This casting change is listed on both Leaky Cauldron
and Mugglenet, both generally up-to-the-minute
accurate sources.

They also announced that Grubbly-Plank will be played
by Apple Brook and the names of the young Maurader
actors, with an interesting link to the boy cast as
young Snape, Alec Hopkins
(http://www.newburytheatre.co.uk/archive/200312h.htm).
 The reviewer's words about Alec sound quite
promising.

-Catherine






From grich277080 at aol.com  Thu May 25 18:12:29 2006
From: grich277080 at aol.com (grich277080 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:12:29 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
Message-ID: <473.17d214c.31a74d8d@aol.com>

Casting change. Wow. I think this is a stunning move and a great choice.  She
will be wonderful.

I am very disappointed that Helen McRory is not  playing Bellatrix although 
congratuations to her for her coming event.    She would have been a great 
bitch.  Her character in Charles II the  power and passion she was amazing as Lady 
Castlemain, the kings mistress.   However on the other hand I have loved 
watching Helena Bonham Carter since Room  with a View but I have never seen her in 
a 'bad person' part.  Good luck to  her 
 
AnnR


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From grich277080 at aol.com  Thu May 25 18:15:55 2006
From: grich277080 at aol.com (grich277080 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:15:55 EDT
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
Message-ID: <45a.1957f92.31a74e5b@aol.com>

Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or late. What source did you  
have for this?

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator


Hello Michelle   I read today on Mugglecast.com that Helen McRory  is is 
pregnant and will be too far into her pregnancy to do the scene in the MOM  at the 
end of the film.  It also states Helena Bonham Carter is to take her  place.  
It is also listed on the BBC Children's Newsround as well. 
 
AnnR


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From barbfulton at yahoo.com  Thu May 25 19:45:47 2006
From: barbfulton at yahoo.com (Barb Fulton)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:45:47 -0000
Subject: Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <20060525182835.79449.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e551hb+d5lp@eGroups.com>

--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Catherine McKenzie 
<camckenzie at ...> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or
> > late. What source did you have for this?
> > 
> > Michelle
> > Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
> 

Barb:

It's listed on her website, too. Looks like it's true.

-Barb







From kchuplis at alltel.net  Thu May 25 20:10:55 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:10:55 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
References: <473.17d214c.31a74d8d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c68037$5442fa30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <grich277080 at aol.com>
To: <HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix


Casting change. Wow. I think this is a stunning move and a great choice.
She
will be wonderful.

I am very disappointed that Helen McRory is not  playing Bellatrix although
congratuations to her for her coming event.    She would have been a great
bitch.  Her character in Charles II the  power and passion she was amazing
as Lady
Castlemain, the kings mistress.   However on the other hand I have loved
watching Helena Bonham Carter since Room  with a View but I have never seen
her in
a 'bad person' part.  Good luck to  her

AnnR


Oo. I have. She will be very satisfying I think.





From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Fri May 26 03:41:22 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:41:22 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <000a01c68037$5442fa30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
References: <473.17d214c.31a74d8d@aol.com>
 <000a01c68037$5442fa30$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local>
Message-ID: <b2e3655d8f50c3061f2554f93f1ff871@verizon.net>

> However on the other hand I have loved
>  watching Helena Bonham Carter since Room? with a View but I have 
> never seen
>  her in
>  a 'bad person' part.? Good luck to? her
>
>  AnnR
>
>
>  Oo. I have. She will be very satisfying I think.

She is such a consummate actress; I know she'll do an outstanding job. 
I did picture someone taller though. Ah well, I will adjust!
Valerie




From lilbluinsomniac at yahoo.com  Fri May 26 02:36:34 2006
From: lilbluinsomniac at yahoo.com (lilbluinsomniac)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 02:36:34 -0000
Subject: mad eye's mirror
Message-ID: <e55pji+dkvr@eGroups.com>

hello! my name is christy. i just now signed up,
because I'm watching
the fourth movie and there is something i want to
bring up. when harry
is in mad eye moody's office and mad eye is talking
about the mirror
(..i can see the whites of their eyes.) there are
three faces you can
make out that float around mad eye's reflection. one
was a man, i
think a woman and the last one that came into view
looked like rita
skeeter to me. if anyone has any takes on this, post
back!










From padfoot.rules at yahoo.com  Fri May 26 04:14:20 2006
From: padfoot.rules at yahoo.com (Brianna Kinney)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <b2e3655d8f50c3061f2554f93f1ff871@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20060526041420.26177.qmail@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
   
  
>  Oo. I have. She will be very satisfying I think.

She is such a consummate actress; I know she'll do an outstanding job. 
I did picture someone taller though. Ah well, I will adjust!

Brianna:
  I think she has the right look to play the character and I don't know that her height will be such a handicap with her face-off with Sirius if she uses a wand to....I can't bring myself to say it.  


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From anita_hillin at yahoo.com  Fri May 26 13:11:07 2006
From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <20060526041420.26177.qmail@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060526131107.73454.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>




 Valerie Flowe <valerie.flowe at verizon.net> wrote:
    
   
 >  Oo. I have. She will be very satisfying I think.
 
 She is such a consummate actress; I know she'll do an outstanding job. I did picture someone taller though. Ah well, I will adjust!
 
 Brianna responded:
   I think she has the right look to play the character and I don't know that her height will be such a handicap with her face-off with Sirius if she uses a wand to....I can't bring myself to say it.  
 
 akh pipes up:

When I mentioned the casting change to my office partner, (who has not read the books, by the way, but enjoys the movies) she asked me, somewhat doubtfully, "What is she playing?"  I replied, "A nutcase."  She was relieved; her first experience watching Helena Bonham Carter was in the movie "Wings of a Dove," and she HATED the character.  She feels the best role for HBC is a nasty witch!

akh, who's not so concerned about HBC's height, since Gary Oldman's no towering thing, either...


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From penhaligon at gmail.com  Fri May 26 13:05:54 2006
From: penhaligon at gmail.com (Panhandle)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:05:54 -0700
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
References: <20060526041420.26177.qmail@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01c680c5$207ddd30$0200a8c0@the248437c0a60>

I just had a wake-up call as to what a Harry Potter fan I am!

This morning, I was listening to NPR and just before the news at the top of 
the hour, they present a few very short little teaser stories.  As I was 
listening, I heard the announcer say "Helena Bonham Carter ..." and I 
immediately thought: Wow! They're going to annouce that she's been cast as 
Bellatrix. But then the announcer continued "celebrates her 40th birthday."

Well, Happy Birthday Helena Bonham Carter.

Panhandle 




From juli17 at aol.com  Fri May 26 18:56:53 2006
From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:56:53 -0400
Subject: Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <1148657823.512.28509.m16@yahoogroups.com>
References: <1148657823.512.28509.m16@yahoogroups.com>
Message-ID: <8C84F0D4966F7B5-15C4-1971D@mblk-r27.sysops.aol.com>

 

> Hmmm, IMDB disagrees, but they're often wrong or
> late. What source did you have for this?
> 
> Michelle
> Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator

Catherine wrote:
This casting change is listed on both Leaky Cauldron
and Mugglenet, both generally up-to-the-minute
accurate sources.
Julie:HBC has played some quite witchy characters, so I think she'll have
no problem with Bellatrix. 
Catherine wrote:

They also announced that Grubbly-Plank will be played
by Apple Brook and the names of the young Maurader
actors, with an interesting link to the boy cast as
young Snape, Alec Hopkins
(http://www.newburytheatre.co.uk/archive/200312h.htm).
The reviewer's words about Alec sound quite
promising.


 
Julie:
Thanks for the link. Alec does sound quite promising and I think
he very much has the *look* of a young Snape also, at least in 
this accompanying picture!
 
Julie, with very high hopes for OotP based on the casting.


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From jolver761 at yahoo.com  Fri May 26 21:08:27 2006
From: jolver761 at yahoo.com (jolver761)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:08:27 -0000
Subject: Has anyone been to the locations of the Harry Potter films?
Message-ID: <e57qob+1p8p@eGroups.com>

Dear All,

I am going on the HP fan tour this year, where I will be visiting
loads of the filming locations in England and Scotland. However, I
would like to know what other fans thought of the locations of the
films, and whether they translate into what you imagined from the
book. I know I wont be dissapointed but I thought it would be
interesting to discuss some of the films and the expectations that
people had before and after visiting the sets.

In my opinion, I am worried that I will search for authenticity, but
because all the locations may haev had CGI and the like; I am
concerned that I will not really feel the same excitement. 

I hope everyone can help me out. Even if you have not been to England
or the sets what would you expect to see? 










From mike4521daron at yahoo.com  Fri May 26 21:46:35 2006
From: mike4521daron at yahoo.com (Mike Daron)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Has anyone been to the locations of the Harry Potter films?
In-Reply-To: <e57qob+1p8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20060526214635.71536.qmail@web52910.mail.yahoo.com>

hey jolver! 
     sound like a real trip. to visit all the location of HP's battlefields with-you-know-who.
  I enjoy HP.a lot a are you takin any pictures of the fields.also the actors??
    I'll like a photo,or two of miss watson if you can. please sent to me at 
  emma-hermione's1webline at yahoo.com  and we can trade.
    the stages of many movies/ television shows/ and more...
   I have not been there yet.
   
  just enjoy what you see.ask them if they don't mind having there picture taken.
  you may have the HP's cast.to photograph. just have fun at it....
   
                                 chow for now,yack at ya later, mike .

jolver761 <jolver761 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Dear All,

I am going on the HP fan tour this year, where I will be visiting
loads of the filming locations in England and Scotland. However, I
would like to know what other fans thought of the locations of the
films, and whether they translate into what you imagined from the
book. I know I wont be dissapointed but I thought it would be
interesting to discuss some of the films and the expectations that
people had before and after visiting the sets.

In my opinion, I am worried that I will search for authenticity, but
because all the locations may haev had CGI and the like; I am
concerned that I will not really feel the same excitement. 

I hope everyone can help me out. Even if you have not been to England
or the sets what would you expect to see? 









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From skosmoskijr at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 19:51:40 2006
From: skosmoskijr at yahoo.com (Stan Kosmoski)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
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The casting change has also been mentioned on the actress' web site. So this would seem to be official!


		
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From wfeuc at nibble.net  Sat May 27 21:56:35 2006
From: wfeuc at nibble.net (hpoldfan)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:56:35 -0000
Subject: Has anyone been to the locations of the Harry Potter films?
In-Reply-To: <e57qob+1p8p@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <e5ahuj+sjf3@eGroups.com>

Two years ago I took a similar trip. All the sites we visited could 
be recognised. Gringots Bank was a little difficult since they 
distorted it slightly by making it lean. 

We visited the great hall, the castle grounds (there are several 
different locations), the bridge the Hogwarts express crosses (in 
Scotland).  And many others. They all looked just like in the movies.

The best was a ride on the Hogwarts Express. That alone was worth 
the expense of the whole trip.

Bill


--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "jolver761" <jolver761 at ...> 
wrote:
>

> Dear All,
> 
> I am going on the HP fan tour this year, where I will be visiting
> loads of the filming locations in England and Scotland. However, I
> would like to know what other fans thought of the locations of the
> films, and whether they translate into what you imagined from the
> book. 







From gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com  Wed May 31 00:22:51 2006
From: gardengirlgarden at yahoo.com (Michelle Chandler)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:22:51 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Has anyone been to the locations of the Harry Potter films?
References: <e5ahuj+sjf3@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <064101c68448$5b32de90$6600a8c0@GARDENROOM>

Bill! How did you get to ride on the Hogwarts Express? Can the ordinary tourist do that, or is it reserved for tour groups????

Michelle
Mother, Scholar, Gardener, Aviator
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: hpoldfan 
  To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 5:56 PM
  Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Has anyone been to the locations of the Harry Potter films?


  Two years ago I took a similar trip. All the sites we visited could 
  be recognised. Gringots Bank was a little difficult since they 
  distorted it slightly by making it lean. 

  We visited the great hall, the castle grounds (there are several 
  different locations), the bridge the Hogwarts express crosses (in 
  Scotland).  And many others. They all looked just like in the movies.

  The best was a ride on the Hogwarts Express. That alone was worth 
  the expense of the whole trip.

  Bill

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From valerie.flowe at verizon.net  Wed May 31 02:03:34 2006
From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:03:34 -0400
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c680c5$207ddd30$0200a8c0@the248437c0a60>
References: <20060526041420.26177.qmail@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <00ce01c680c5$207ddd30$0200a8c0@the248437c0a60>
Message-ID: <711254c79723b6801ab344e82e77bc26@verizon.net>


On May 26, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Panhandle wrote:

>  I just had a wake-up call as to what a Harry Potter fan I am!
>
>  This morning, I was listening to NPR and just before the news at the 
> top of
>  the hour, they present a few very short little teaser stories.? As I 
> was
>  listening, I heard the announcer say "Helena Bonham Carter ..." and I
>  immediately thought: Wow! They're going to annouce that she's been 
> cast as
>  Bellatrix. But then the announcer continued "celebrates her 40th 
> birthday."
>
>  Well, Happy Birthday Helena Bonham Carter.

Yes, well they DID mention when it was Robbie Coltrane's b-day on NPR 
and gave him the Hagrid reference, LOL!!! :-)
Valerie

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From kchuplis at alltel.net  Wed May 31 03:07:37 2006
From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:07:37 -0500
Subject: Rickman
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I just re-watched Sense and Sensibility. You know, it is just  
incredible how attractive that man can be. Honestly, his line  
delivery is not all that different, BUT there are just a subtle  
differences, mostly physical and facial, that makes him such a  
totally different person. If you haven't seen it, very VERY good movie.



From kfreimu at gmail.com  Wed May 31 13:24:25 2006
From: kfreimu at gmail.com (Krista Freimuth)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:24:25 -0500
Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Rickman
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I loved him in Love Actually and Galaxy Quest!  And he made a great villian
in Die Hard.  He is a very good actor & can totally change his persona to
fit the role.
Krista



On 5/30/06, Karen <kchuplis at alltel.net> wrote:
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>  I just re-watched Sense and Sensibility. You know, it is just
> incredible how attractive that man can be. Honestly, his line
> delivery is not all that different, BUT there are just a subtle
> differences, mostly physical and facial, that makes him such a
> totally different person. If you haven't seen it, very VERY good movie.
>



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From rkdas at charter.net  Wed May 31 21:20:37 2006
From: rkdas at charter.net (susanbones2003)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:20:37 -0000
Subject: Rickman paen
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--- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Karen <kchuplis at ...> wrote:
>
> I just re-watched Sense and Sensibility. You know, it is just  
> incredible how attractive that man can be. Honestly, his line  
> delivery is not all that different, BUT there are just a subtle  
> differences, mostly physical and facial, that makes him such a  
> totally different person. If you haven't seen it, very VERY good 
movie.
>
Hi Karen, 
Good to talk to you again! I do adore Alan Rickman in S&S. He was so 
dashing, so solicitous. I just found him to be quite the knight in 
shining armor! I also loved him in the hairdresser movie but yet again 
I can not remember the name. GalaxyQuest was such a scream. I am so 
glad he's not about to by typecast by his work on HP. As much as I 
appreciate his performance as Snape, he's one actor with a whole range 
of things to give. I think it's mighty attractive to be a heart-throb 
but it's probably more fun to be a character actor of great skill.
Jen D.