From charober at sympatico.ca Sun Apr 1 15:36:07 2007 From: charober at sympatico.ca (Charlotte Roberts) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:36:07 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Emma Watson nominated as "child star worth watching" References: Message-ID: <001301c77473$852c9120$5b990c4a@b4dxv01> Good for Emma and Dan's nominations! :) They definitely deserve it! I don't know if anyone else read this, but I had to get it out: A couple weeks ago, there was this small article that said Emma was dropping out of the Potter films. It scared me, but since it wasn't mentioned in any other newspapers or magazines, I thought it seemed weird. Then I read that Dan, Rupert and Emma are all going to be in the Potter films until the end. God Bless them all! Charlotte, who now wants a copy of the Entertainment Weekly with all the images people just described! "Montana-How fast can you drive?"-Ryan Stiles, rejected sayings for licence plates Do What You Want But Harm No One-Roxette Room Service Tour, 2001 Request Mariah Carey's new single "Shake It Off," at your favourite radio stations! ----- Original Message ----- From: artsylynda at aol.com To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:Emma Watson nominated as "child star worth watching" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Sun Apr 1 19:57:12 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:57:12 EDT Subject: Emma Watson nominated as "child star worth watching" Message-ID: Yeah, I'd like a copy of that Entertainment Weekly too, but the Movie Magic Life Stories magazine has a six page article on each of the trio complete with tons of photos from all the films (including one of Dan in a red shirt that I haven't seen before - there are two bird cages in the background, one of which has a small stuffed owl in it). There's a huge article on the fandom and stuff created by fans, from fanfic to fan videos to art and crafts, etc. It's a fun read. The Entertainment Weekly stuff is online at their site too - I think I posted a link to that - if not, you can get there via The Leaky Cauldron and probably a lot of other sites as well. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) Read my Harry Potter fics here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 23:19:58 2007 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Emma Watson nominated as "child star worth watching" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <851425.68590.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> artsylynda at aol.com wrote: [Taking the scissors to the first part] The Entertainment Weekly stuff is online at their site too - I think I posted a link to that - if not, you can get there via The Leaky Cauldron and probably a lot of other sites as well. akh reports: I am a subscriber to Entertainment Weekly, and my copy actually arrived on time, sporting Daniel Radcliffe. The article is identical to the one online; I didn't notice if the quiz is also on EW's website, but if not, that's all you'd miss by going to their site. If someone is desperate to see the quiz and doesn't want to buy a copy, let me know offline and I can scan it. I warn you, however, that my scanning skills are rudimentary at best, so I make no promises about size! akh, who's rereading the books AND rewatching the movies in anticipation of July Recent Activity 12 New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Harry potter movies Harry potter movie goblet of fire Harry potter Harry potter book Harry potter birthday party Apprentice LA Who will be next? Play the Bix.com faceoff to see! Yahoo! Movies Staying in tonight? Check out new DVDs and read reviews. Yahoo! Search Try a shortcut Find what you need faster. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mohamed_bakr2007 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 08:00:02 2007 From: mohamed_bakr2007 at yahoo.com (mohamed_bakr2007) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:00:02 -0000 Subject: Emma Watson nominated as "child star worth watching" In-Reply-To: <851425.68590.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > artsylynda at ... wrote: [Taking the scissors to the first part] > The Entertainment Weekly stuff is online at their site too - I think I posted a link to that - if not, you can get there via The Leaky Cauldron and probably a lot of other sites as well. akh reports: I am a subscriber to Entertainment Weekly, and my copy actually arrived on time, sporting Daniel Radcliffe. The article is identical to the one online; I didn't notice if the quiz is also on EW's website, but if not, that's all you'd miss by going to their site. akh, who's rereading the books AND rewatching the movies in anticipation of July From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 00:57:42 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:57:42 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER Message-ID: *************************************************** **************************************************** ****************************************************** *************************************************** ***************************************************** Alla: Okay, should be enough I hope. If you guys had read moview review on Leaky, one of the things they mention is that Ginny's Patronus is a Phoenix. They think that this is too important of the detail for movie people to put in without consulting with JKR first whether it is Ok. Personally I agree, I think it is canonical then, otherwise JKR would have said that it is just not right. But if it is canon indeed, then GAH. Does it mean that Ginny is as powerful as Albus Dumbledore? And this is from someone who actually likes Ginny, but please can she be more perfect than that? Super super powerful Ginny? I mean, phoenix implies a lot of power in Potterwerse, no? Alla, the dissapointed one. From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 17:53:06 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:53:06 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" wrote: > > *************************************************** > > **************************************************** > > ****************************************************** > > *************************************************** > > > ***************************************************** > > Alla: > > > > Okay, should be enough I hope. If you guys had read moview review > on Leaky, one of the things they mention is that Ginny's Patronus is > a Phoenix. > > They think that this is too important of the detail for movie > people to put in without consulting with JKR first whether it is Ok. > > Personally I agree, I think it is canonical then, otherwise JKR > would have said that it is just not right. > > But if it is canon indeed, then GAH. Does it mean that Ginny is as > powerful as Albus Dumbledore? And this is from someone who actually > likes Ginny, but please can she be more perfect than that? > > Super super powerful Ginny? I mean, phoenix implies a lot of power > in Potterwerse, no? > > Alla, the dissapointed one. > Carol responds: "Gah!" is the word, all right. If it's any comfort, I doubt that Ginny's Phoenix Patronus is canonical. After all, Dumbledore is still alive in OoP, and surely there's no canonical reason for her Patronus to closely resemble his. Also, I don't think that a Patronus symbolizes power so much as immortality, or, in DD's case, a long life and a close relationship with Fawkes. And the Patronus is a "spirit guardian," not (as I understand it) a reflection of the caster's own personality like an Animagus form. At most, it may indicate that Ginny will have a long life or inherit Fawkes (though I think that Fawkes will go to Harry, the Keeper of the Tail Feather). Carol, who thinks that Ginny's Patronus is probably a cat or a Kneazle From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 16 20:20:04 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:20:04 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Carol responds: > > "Gah!" is the word, all right. If it's any comfort, I doubt that > Ginny's Phoenix Patronus is canonical. After all, Dumbledore is still > alive in OoP, and surely there's no canonical reason for her Patronus > to closely resemble his. > > Also, I don't think that a Patronus symbolizes power so much as > immortality, or, in DD's case, a long life and a close relationship > with Fawkes. And the Patronus is a "spirit guardian," not (as I > understand it) a reflection of the caster's own personality like an > Animagus form. > > At most, it may indicate that Ginny will have a long life or inherit > Fawkes (though I think that Fawkes will go to Harry, the Keeper of the > Tail Feather). > > Carol, who thinks that Ginny's Patronus is probably a cat or a Kneazle > Alla: I don't know, I would be happy if it is not canonical, but it just seems too important to me for the screenwriter not to consult with JKR. No, I do not think that she has that much input on the movies, but I would like to think that the plot details that are still concealed from book readers are being checked with her instead of making them up. I mean, maybe precisely to avoid what you said ( Ginny Patronus compared with alive DD patronus, etc), JKR concealed her patronus from us in book 5, and will reveal it in book 7 when Ginny will show her super powers. Ugh, wonder woman Ginny, Ginny Sue Ginny. Am sad and hope that you are right. I mean, I did predictions test on Leaky and they already write this as canonically established fact in one of the questions. Does not necessarily mean that they are right, but they usually do not write something as canon fact lightly, no? Hmmm, I wonder if Lexicon now mentions it as canon as well or not? I can also absolutely see why movie people would want to put Ginny Patronus in, even if JKR did not, you know? They already give Ginny more space in the movies, closer relationship with the Trio than in the books, starting with GoF, no? So,I can totally see why during DA meetings they would want to showcast Ginny Patronus. JMO, Alla From juli17 at aol.com Tue Apr 17 01:28:15 2007 From: juli17 at aol.com (julie) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:28:15 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S p o i l e r S p a c e ! ! ! ! ! ! > > > Carol responds: > > > > "Gah!" is the word, all right. If it's any comfort, I doubt that > > Ginny's Phoenix Patronus is canonical. After all, Dumbledore is > still > > alive in OoP, and surely there's no canonical reason for her > Patronus > > to closely resemble his. > > > > Also, I don't think that a Patronus symbolizes power so much as > > immortality, or, in DD's case, a long life and a close relationship > > with Fawkes. And the Patronus is a "spirit guardian," not (as I > > understand it) a reflection of the caster's own personality like an > > Animagus form. > > > > At most, it may indicate that Ginny will have a long life or inherit > > Fawkes (though I think that Fawkes will go to Harry, the Keeper of > the > > Tail Feather). > > > > Carol, who thinks that Ginny's Patronus is probably a cat or a > Kneazle > > > > > Alla: > > I don't know, I would be happy if it is not canonical, but it just > seems too important to me for the screenwriter not to consult with > JKR. No, I do not think that she has that much input on the movies, > but I would like to think that the plot details that are still > concealed from book readers are being checked with her instead of > making them up. Julie: >From what I've read the scriptwriter (forgot his name) did press JKR to give him any suggestions/notes on the script, and she did insert a few bits, but mostly gave him free rein. She certainly read the script, and though I do think she views the books and movies as two separate entities in most ways, if something was completely out of order I presume it would be cut or changed. Which simply means I do believe Ginny's patronus must be a phoenix. (The other option is that JKR had no patronus chosen for Ginny so let this one stand, but that's hard to believe.) I do find this annoying, because I really suspected a phoenix patronus might play a part in DH, and it would belong to either Harry or Snape, Dumbledore's Men (yes, I'm assuming on the latter!). Why Ginny would even have a phoenix patronus I don't know (unless it comes to symbolize *Harry* in DH, which would make sense, but it doesn't make sense in OotP). Anyway, the other interesting change in OotP I thought was the Pensieve scene (which is instead something Harry sees when he breaks through Snape's Occlumency defenses). While Lily is present in the scene, she does not defend Snape, nor does Snape call her a mudblood. This would seem to indicate that "Snape's worst memory" is not about Lily at all, neither his humiliation at being defended by her, nor his regret at calling her mudblood and losing her "good" opinion. Perhaps he was just humiliated at being defended by a girl in general, rather than by Lily specifically. I'm not sure what this different interpretation of the Pensieve scene means for Snape and Lily's relationship (or "connection" might be a better word, since I'm sure there was something that connected them), but it seems to put a bit of a damper on the whole Snape secretly loved Lily scenario. Julie, no fan of the Snape loved Lily theory anyway. From anita_hillin at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 01:53:16 2007 From: anita_hillin at yahoo.com (AnitaKH) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <376406.51965.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> dumbledore11214 thoughtfully gave us space: *************************************************** **************************************************** ****************************************************** *************************************************** ***************************************************** Then wrote: If you guys had read moview review on Leaky, one of the things they mention is that Ginny's Patronus is a Phoenix. But if it is canon indeed, then GAH. Does it mean that Ginny is as powerful as Albus Dumbledore? And this is from someone who actually likes Ginny, but please can she be more perfect than that? Super super powerful Ginny? I mean, phoenix implies a lot of power in Potterwerse, no? After snipping and pruning, akh responds: I think perhaps you don't really have to worry about Ginny becoming the next Dumbledore in Book 7. After a bit of rumination (hence the delay in responding here), it could be reasonably extrapolated that Ginny owes her life in CoS to Fawkes as much as she does Harry, since Fawkes provides the resources for Harry's triumph over the basilisk and hence Tom Riddle. Given that we have no instance of a human patronus, Fawkes is the next best protector in that instance, and her only canon example of a rescue from death. Not to mention that Fawkes saved Harry's life, and while Ginny was only told about it in the book, she witnessed it in movie 2. JKR may very well have told Mr. Goldberg (isn't that his name? I'm working from faulty memory) that Ginny's patronus is the phoenix, but we can use the simple explanation provided by Chamber of Secrets, rather than force ourselves to become all metaphysical about it. I'm not good at metaphysics, anyway. akh, who was sure someone else would come up with the phoenix/CoS link before she got around to posting Recent Activity 6 New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Harry potter movies Harry potter movie goblet of fire Harry potter Harry potter book Harry potter birthday party Yahoo! Movies Up for a movie? Check out showtimes and buy tickets Yahoo! Search Find it faster with Yahoo! shortcuts. Yahoo! TV American Idol See the newest show pics! . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 01:56:26 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:56:26 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "julie" wrote: > > S************************************************ > p*********************************************** > o************************************************ > i*********************************************** > l************************************************* > e************************************************* > r*************************************************** > > S > p > a > c > e > > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > > > Julie: > From what I've read the scriptwriter (forgot his name) did > press JKR to give him any suggestions/notes on the script, > and she did insert a few bits, but mostly gave him free > rein. She certainly read the script, and though I do think > she views the books and movies as two separate entities in > most ways, if something was completely out of order I > presume it would be cut or changed. Which simply means I > do believe Ginny's patronus must be a phoenix. (The other > option is that JKR had no patronus chosen for Ginny so > let this one stand, but that's hard to believe.) Alla: Me too. Julie: > I do find this annoying, because I really suspected a > phoenix patronus might play a part in DH, and it would > belong to either Harry or Snape, Dumbledore's Men (yes, > I'm assuming on the latter!). Why Ginny would even > have a phoenix patronus I don't know (unless it comes > to symbolize *Harry* in DH, which would make sense, but > it doesn't make sense in OotP). > > Alla: Well, Julie, who knows maybe you will get your wish and Harry and Snape will also have phoenixes as patronuses, you know? In fact maybe we will see many many phoenixes driving away the dementors. MAHAHAHAHAHHAH. Phoenixes land, so to speak. Sorry, am annoyed, yes. I do think it will be what you said - symbolising Harry, etc. Just in case we will not get the symbolism. I sort of prefer not so obvious symbolism. Sigh. From lizzy1933 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 02:08:58 2007 From: lizzy1933 at yahoo.com (Lizzie Mae Lilly) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:08:58 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E ! ! ! My question: Why does Ginny need a patronus anyway? When did she use on the OotP? Lizzie Mae From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 04:02:10 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:02:10 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "julie" wrote: > > S > p > o > i > l > e > r > > S > p > a > c > e > > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > ! > Julie wrote: > From what I've read the scriptwriter (forgot his name) did > press JKR to give him any suggestions/notes on the script, > and she did insert a few bits, but mostly gave him free > rein. She certainly read the script, and though I do think > she views the books and movies as two separate entities in > most ways, if something was completely out of order I > presume it would be cut or changed. Which simply means I > do believe Ginny's patronus must be a phoenix. (The other > option is that JKR had no patronus chosen for Ginny so > let this one stand, but that's hard to believe.) > > I do find this annoying, because I really suspected a > phoenix patronus might play a part in DH, and it would > belong to either Harry or Snape, Dumbledore's Men (yes, > I'm assuming on the latter!). Why Ginny would even > have a phoenix patronus I don't know (unless it comes > to symbolize *Harry* in DH, which would make sense, but > it doesn't make sense in OotP). Carol responds: I think that if her Patronus symbolized Harry, it would be the Gryffindor lion rather than Fawkes. :-) But seriously, it's possible that Michael Goldenberg, the scriptwriter for OoP, didn't assign Ginny a particular Patronus. it could have been the special effects department. After all, she's not using it for anything urgent (driving Dementors away). She's just practicing the Patronus Charm in the RoR. I suspect it was largely for show. Anyone remember Harry's Dementor Boggart showing up in Lupin's class? Surely that's not the screenwriter, Steven Kloves's, doing because it's inconsistent with what Lupin tells Harry on the bridge about expecting the Boggart to be Voldemort. Also, isn't the source of this information an unofficial review by a fan who saw the unfinished film? Maybe he or she only thought it was a Phoenix. At any rate, Ginny's Phoenix Patronus isn't canonical, even movie canonical, yet. And I'm hoping that it will never be book canonical. It just makes no sense--unless it really does symbolize Fawkes's role in her rescue, and even then, Fawkes helped to rescue Harry, who rescued Ginny, so the Patronus should reflect Harry, not Dumbledore, and a Phoenix just doesn't do that, in my view. Carol, sharing Julie's hope that trimming Lily from what ought to be a Pensieve scene (that much probably *is* Goldber'gs doing, or the director's) indicates that Snape's remorse stems from some other cause than unrequited love for Lily P.S. I just realized that Young Lily was cast, so that moment must have been cut, or she must show up in some other way From siskiou at peak.org Tue Apr 17 04:13:37 2007 From: siskiou at peak.org (Susanne) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:13:37 -0700 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16110029119.20070416211337@peak.org> Hi, Monday, April 16, 2007, 9:02:10 PM, justcarol67 at yahoo.com wrote: > And I'm hoping that it will never be book canonical. > It just makes no sense--unless it really does symbolize Fawkes's role > in her rescue, and even then, Fawkes helped to rescue Harry, who > rescued Ginny, so the Patronus should reflect Harry, not Dumbledore, > and a Phoenix just doesn't do that, in my view. But we've known that Ginny has a special role and JKR has let on that we can expect a lot from her. I just don't see why Ginny couldn't be powerful in her own right and her patronus doesn't have to have anything to do with her rescue or Harry. HP is Harry's story, but the supporting characters have their own lives and backgrounds. Am I sensing a strong aversion toward Ginny? Maybe that's why it seems like an insult that she might have such a "prestigious" patronus? -- Best regards, Susanne mailto:siskiou at peak.org From dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 04:22:58 2007 From: dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com (dumbledore11214) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:22:58 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: <16110029119.20070416211337@peak.org> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Susanne wrote: > > > > > But we've known that Ginny has a special role and JKR has let on that > we can expect a lot from her. > > I just don't see why Ginny couldn't be powerful in > her own right and her patronus doesn't have to > have anything to do with her rescue or Harry. > > HP is Harry's story, but the supporting characters > have their own lives and backgrounds. > > Am I sensing a strong aversion toward Ginny? > Maybe that's why it seems like an insult that she > might have such a "prestigious" patronus? > > -- > Best regards, > Susanne mailto:siskiou at ... > Alla: Are you sensing a strong aversion towards Ginny? Um, I do not know about others but not from me for sure. I **like** Ginny, I **like** her with Harry and on her own, I do not want her to be Mary Sue!Ginny though and to me Ginny with Patronus same as most powerful wizard in Potterverse so far looks and smells like Mary Sue Ginny. Because to me it may imply that Ginny is as powerful as Dumbledore. Scary thought that. I do not want to be beaten over the head with the baseball bat with the symbolism and this one feels as such. That is why I am hoping it is not canon, but I do think it is. JMO, Alla From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com Wed Apr 18 03:02:27 2007 From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:02:27 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOP movie SPOILER Message-ID: S P O I L E R S P A C E In a message dated 4/17/2007 12:25:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com writes: <<>> Hmmm. I must be missing something...several things, probably. I recall JKR clearly showing that Harry's Patronus as a stag in POA. Why are people hoping he's going to have a Phoenix as his Patronus in DH? Have I missed a canon reference somewhere that wizards have stables of Patroni available to them? I kind of got the impression that a wizard's Patronus was pretty individual--and maybe would change if the wizard had a life-changing experience, but until I read otherwise, I'm expecting Harry's to remain a stag. And as far as Ginny having a Phoenix as her Patronus--well, why not? Does that mean it would be more powerful than Harry's stag, for instance, and that she would be a more powerful wizard than Harry? I don't know that it would definitely signify that. Whether or not JKR had planned on giving Ginny a particular Patronus, for a visual medium like the movies, it's not something that can be glossed over. If the DA are to be shown practicing that spell, the film makers will want to show one. I'm also sure she would have decide upon one for Ginny, given the backstory she has given everyone, but even if she didn't, she'd have to let the movie people come up with something. She had to have been willing for Ginny to have a Phoenix as Patronus. As for concerns that Ginny might turn into a powerful wizard Mary!Sue!--just because she's a powerful wizard (which has clearly been suggested by JKR in the books, so that's likely canon already), it doesn't mean she'd end up a Mary!Sue! just because of the form of her Patronus. How powerful she is we will learn in July, but it's already clear she's going to play a big role in whatever happens, no matter what form her Patronus might take. jamelia (who knows everyone isn't going to be happy no matter what's in the book, any more than everyone is happy with the movies) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From juli17 at aol.com Wed Apr 18 17:37:02 2007 From: juli17 at aol.com (juli17 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:37:02 -0400 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: <1176905527.4680.73839.m17@yahoogroups.com> References: <1176905527.4680.73839.m17@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <8C94FF74F0B13FB-798-2B83@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com> S P O I L E R S P A C E In a message dated 4/17/2007 12:25:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com writes: <<>> Hmmm. I must be missing something...several things, probably. I recall JKR clearly showing that Harry's Patronus as a stag in POA. Why are people hoping he's going to have a Phoenix as his Patronus in DH? Have I missed a canon reference somewhere that wizards have stables of Patroni available to them? I kind of got the impression that a wizard's Patronus was pretty individual--and maybe would change if the wizard had a life-changing experience, but until I read otherwise, I'm expecting Harry's to remain a stag. And as far as Ginny having a Phoenix as her Patronus--well, why not? Does that mean it would be more powerful than Harry's stag, for instance, and that she would be a more powerful wizard than Harry? I don't know that it would definitely signify that. Whether or not JKR had planned on giving Ginny a particular Patronus, for a visual medium like the movies, it's not something that can be glossed over. If the DA are to be shown practicing that spell, the film makers will want to show one. I'm also sure she would have decide upon one for Ginny, given the backstory she has given everyone, but even if she didn't, she'd have to let the movie people come up with something. She had to have been willing for Ginny to have a Phoenix as Patronus. As for concerns that Ginny might turn into a powerful wizard Mary!Sue!--just because she's a powerful wizard (which has clearly been suggested by JKR in the books, so that's likely canon already), it doesn't mean she'd end up a Mary!Sue! just because of the form of her Patronus. How powerful she is we will learn in July, but it's already clear she's going to play a big role in whatever happens, no matter what form her Patronus might take. jamelia (who knows everyone isn't going to be happy no matter what's in the book, any more than everyone is happy with the movies) Julie: Hi, Jam! (We're old friends from another Yahoo list :-) Alla and others are obliquely referring to a discussion on the main HPFGU list regarding changed patronuses (patronii?). Since JKR often uses foreshadowing in the books, many of us have assumed Tonks's briefly mentioned changed patronus in HBP foreshadows a changed patronus in DH, one which will have more impact on the plot. Two theories have been that Harry might have a new patronus reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man, or that Snape might have a new patronus reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man (should he turn out to have "killed" Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, meaning he's DDM--Dumbledore's Man--versus ESE--ever so evil--or OFH--out for himself). The latter has been a pet theory of mine and others, since it might give a DDM!Snape a way to communicate information to the Order. (And JKR did decline to name Snape's patronus in an interview, saying it would "give away too much.") Anyway, it did come as a surprise to many of us that Ginny's patronus is a phoenix, because a phoenix patronus at this moment (as of HBP) would seem to reflect Dumbledore or Fawkes as a protector, and it seems that Ginny as a Weasley might have some other symbol of protection. Though the theory advanced that Ginny's experience in COS could have influenced her to see Fawkes as a protector is a viable one, I suppose. As for Ginny being a Mary Sue character, I know some on the main list again see her emergence as a strong character and as Harry's love interest as coming somewhat out of the blue. Though I do think there were clues to her talents as a witch and a Quidditch player in earlier books for some those clues were apparently a little too subtle. Thus the feeling that she's Mary Sueish. Julie ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mugg1eb0rn at aol.com Fri Apr 20 01:25:22 2007 From: mugg1eb0rn at aol.com (mugg1eb0rn at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:25:22 EDT Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: OOP movie SPOILER Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/2007 1:46:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, juli17 at aol.com writes: S P O I L E R S P A C E Julie: Hi, Jam! (We're old friends from another Yahoo list :-) Alla and others are obliquely referring to a discussion on the main HPFGU list regarding changed patronuses (patronii?). Since JKR often uses foreshadowing in the books, many of us have assumed Tonks's briefly mentioned changed patronus in HBP foreshadows a changed patronus in DH, one which will have more impact on the plot. Two theories have been that Harry might have a new patronus reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man, or that Snape might have a new patronus reflecting his status as Dumbledore's Man (should he turn out to have "killed" Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, meaning he's DDM--Dumbledore'orders, meaning he's DDM--Dumb evil--or OFH--out for himself). The latter has been a pet theory of mine and others, since it might give a DDM!Snape a way to communicate information to the Order. (And JKR did decline to name Snape's patronus in an interview, saying it would "give away too much.") Anyway, it did come as a surprise to many of us that Ginny's patronus is a phoenix, because a phoenix patronus at this moment (as of HBP) would seem to reflect Dumbledore or Fawkes as a protector, and it seems that Ginny as a Weasley might have some other symbol of protection. Though the theory advanced that Ginny's experience in COS could have influenced her to see Fawkes as a protector is a viable one, I suppose. As for Ginny being a Mary Sue character, I know some on the main list again see her emergence as a strong character and as Harry's love interest as coming somewhat out of the blue. Though I do think there were clues to her talents as a witch and a Quidditch player in earlier books for some those clues were apparently a little too subtle. Thus the feeling that she's Mary Sueish. Julie Hi, Julie! OK. Since I haven't had time to follow the main list too closely, I can see that I missed a lot of references that would have helped. Thanks for the assistance. I guess I don't have much more to add, then--except, I hope all the speculation doesn't lead to disappointment because of inflated expectations. I'd rather like seeing what the movie people could do with creating a phoenix patronus, too. I'm a visual person, and the image sounds like it could be lovely. The symbolism doesn't bother me at all, if it's a reference to Fawkes saving Harry in CoS, and foreshadows Harry's triumph over Voldemort! jamelia ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 03:39:02 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:39:02 -0000 Subject: OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: <16110029119.20070416211337@peak.org> Message-ID: Carol earlier: > > And I'm hoping that it {Ginny's Phoenix Patronus] will never be book canonical. > > It just makes no sense--unless it really does symbolize Fawkes's role in her rescue, and even then, Fawkes helped to rescue Harry, who rescued Ginny, so the Patronus should reflect Harry, not Dumbledore, and a Phoenix just doesn't do that, in my view. > Susanne responded: > But we've known that Ginny has a special role and JKR has let on that we can expect a lot from her. > > I just don't see why Ginny couldn't be powerful in her own right and her patronus doesn't have to have anything to do with her rescue or Harry. > > HP is Harry's story, but the supporting characters have their own lives and backgrounds. > > Am I sensing a strong aversion toward Ginny? Maybe that's why it seems like an insult that she might have such a "prestigious" patronus? > Carol: Not an aversion to Ginny, just a sense that her Patronus should relate to Harry, her "spirit guardian," not to Dumbledore. (See upthread for my understanding of what a Patronus represents.) Also, DD has a Phoenix Patronus as of OoP, so Ginny should have some other Patronus, something distinctive (like Ron's Jack Russell Terrier). But in all honesty, I also hope that DD's Phoenix Patronus is transferred to Snape in OoP as an indication of his true loyalties. If Ginny has a Phoenix Patronus, then Snape's having one, too, would be rather pointless and its significance lost to the reader and to Harry. My sense is that a character's Patronus has nothing to do with his or her power (though the ability to cast one in the presence of a real Dementor would), only with his or her emotions and loyalties. Prestige has nothing to do with it. (Harry's Patronus reflects James's personality, not Harry himself.) If Voldemort can cast a Patronus, and possibly his discovery that he's a wizard would qualify as a happy enough memory for the purposes of the spell, his spirit guardian is likely to be Nagini (IMO). (I've argued elsewhere that she's his surrogate mother, but that's a topic for another list.) Carol, who isn't arguing that Ginny isn't powerful, only that a Phoenix Patronus isn't appropriate for her (IMO) because she has no special relationship with DD and is not associated with immortality AFAWK From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 04:01:38 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 04:01:38 -0000 Subject: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) Message-ID: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I was hoping for a barrage of posts on the new international trailer, which can be seen at Leaky by anyone who can't view the UK AOL site: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/videogallery/video/show/669 Not perfectly canonical, but I understand that films have different requirements from books and I'm looking forward to seeing it. It looks exciting, and maybe it's just as well that Umbridge doesn't look like a toad. Wish there were more Occlumency scenes, though. Love the flash of Snape's face and eyes near the beginning, but I could live without another invented scene of Snape bopping Ron on the head with a book. (He has a number of great lines in the book. Why not stay with those?) And I do wish we'd see fewer Muggle clothes, but Cuaron ruined that and the subsequent directors have followed his lead, it seems. Does anyone recognize the female voice that says, "The Dark Lord approaches"? Is that Trelawney (Emma Thompson) again (she had a similar line in PoA but in a raspy "Seer" voice) or someone else? Carol, looking forward to the American trailer on Tuesday and hoping it's significantly different--the more new scenes, the better I'll like it From dk59us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 17:05:09 2007 From: dk59us at yahoo.com (Eustace_Scrubb) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:05:09 -0000 Subject: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "justcarol67" wrote: > Not perfectly canonical, but I understand that films have different > requirements from books and I'm looking forward to seeing it. It > looks exciting, and maybe it's just as well that Umbridge doesn't > look like a toad. Wish there were more Occlumency scenes, though. > Love the flash of Snape's face and eyes near the beginning, but I > could live without another invented scene of Snape bopping Ron on > the head with a book. (He has a number of great lines in the book. > Why not stay with those?) And I do wish we'd see fewer Muggle > clothes, but Cuaron ruined that and the subsequent directors have > followed his lead, it seems. Now Eustace_Scrubb: It sure does look interesting. I'm not sure that Umbridge doesn't look like a toad. At 1:11 of the trailer there is a large dark triangular shaped building (?) looming out of the fog. Is this Azkaban? Also, Ron says "Blimey!" with Harry and Hermione, is that his first view of Grawp? Having Harry see Voldemort on the platform (where he isn't) doesn't seem a bad way to develop the way Harry feels about Voldemort through much of the story. Just some preliminary thoughts. Cheers, Eustace_Scrubb From press at terminus2008.org Tue Apr 24 03:15:53 2007 From: press at terminus2008.org (Terminus) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Terminus: Harry Potter in Chicago August 7-11, 2008 Message-ID: <693150.64986.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Dear Harry Potter for Grownups members, The bustling hub of downtown Chicago will be the setting for Terminus, an academic conference on Harry Potter, to be held August 7-11, 2008. The second presentation of Narrate Conferences, Inc., Terminus will bring adult scholars, students, and fans from around the globe to the historic Hilton Chicago Hotel to analyze and explore the complete Harry Potter series. The programming schedule will include a variety of offerings -- including formal lectures, participatory workshops, roundtable discussions, and explorations of craft -- that will give attendees the chance to expand their knowledge and understanding of the Harry Potter series. 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My question (with a possible spoiler): * * * * * In the international trailer, was it Cho standing next to Umbridge in the scene where Umbridge says "Get them"? I should have looked through the separate screen shots, but there are so many of them, I just don't have the time right now. Maybe someone was able to see it better? In today's US trailer there is a little more of Snape/Occlumency. They also promised Grawp (or his feet), but I can't see him (or his feet) whatever I try. I didn't like Harry's pep talk to DA, it's not his style, IMO. Never imagined Harry as a motivational speaker :-). From shirleejuly31 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 19:04:30 2007 From: shirleejuly31 at yahoo.com (shirleejuly31) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:04:30 -0000 Subject: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > > My question (with a possible spoiler): > * > * > * > * > * > > > In the international trailer, was it Cho standing next to Umbridge in > the scene where Umbridge says "Get them"? I should have looked > through the separate screen shots, but there are so many of them, I > just don't have the time right now. Maybe someone was able to see it > better? > > In today's US trailer there is a little more of Snape/Occlumency. > They also promised Grawp (or his feet), but I can't see him (or his > feet) whatever I try. > > I didn't like Harry's pep talk to DA, it's not his style, IMO. Never > imagined Harry as a motivational speaker :-). > Shirlee Replies: It is Cho!! I watched it over and over and she is there. I had heard a rumor that SHE was going to be the traitor in the movie. Supposedly she is under the Imperius Curse. But what bothers me is Dumbledores line. Does he really say 'Harry dont fight him. You will not win.' ?! What does that mean? *gasp!* Did anyone hear that too or do I need to check myself into a hospital? Shirlee ; ) From zanooda2 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 21:07:03 2007 From: zanooda2 at yahoo.com (zanooda2) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:07:03 -0000 Subject: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "shirleejuly31" wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Shirlee Replies: > It is Cho!! > I watched it over and over and she is there. I had heard a rumor > that SHE was going to be the traitor in the movie. Supposedly she > is under the Imperius Curse. zanooda: Thanks! I've read about it in reviews. This scene confirms it then. I found the screenshot and looked at it carefully. There is Filch and Cho on both sides of Umbridge, and behind her there are Malfoy, Crabbe or Goyle (don't remember which one is which) and a couple of people that I didn't recognize. > Shirlee: > But what bothers me is Dumbledores line. Does he really say 'Harry > dont fight him. You will not win.' ?! What does that mean? > *gasp!* > Did anyone hear that too or do I need to check myself into a > hospital? Well, English is not my first language, so maybe I'm not a very reliable source, but I heard it this way too :-). As for what it means, I can only guess, of course. Maybe this is the scene where Harry is posessed by LV, and that's what DD means, it's useless to fight him and try to expell him by force. We know that it was love that saved Harry, but I always wondered how they can show it in the movie so that it would be understandable without DD's end-of-the-book speach. Maybe they decided that DD must say something to Harry *before*, you know, something like "Don't fight him, think about someone you love instead". Then viewers who didn't read the book will understand what happened next. Anyway, this is the only explanation I can think of for now. zanooda, upset that she couldn't understand what Luna's Patronus in the trailer was, and hoping that it's a Crumple-Horned Snorkack :-) From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Apr 25 04:54:10 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:54:10 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new US trailer (some spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e7aa5addbf5d23e1131897ac6c793da@verizon.net> > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > - Oh c'mon now! Cho a traitor!? Why, with a book that is 800+++ pages, > do they need to make stuff up?!?! When I was slowly going through the > US trailer I noted that there was a pretty girl in the room of > Requirement. Long hair. I assumed she was Cho's traitor friend and > that she would end up with "Sneak" on her forehead. - Who do you think the guy with the long brown hair is? Ernie McMillan? - The one part of the trailer (and I've been trying desperately not to read the movie spoilers thus far!) is when Voldemort says "Harry Potter; you will lose everything". Granted, it sounds like something he would say, but he NEVER said that in canon!!! They are even using it for the film posters. How can they make that such an iconic thing when it is not in the book? Grrrr... - I did like the fact that they appear to be making quite a hoopla of Voldemort's visit to the Ministry. He seems to be tearing the place to pieces! Glass flying everywhere...Massive special effects in this film! Movies are a visual medium, so I don't mind them embellishing the action scenes 'a little'! What is the deal where it looks like V is holding the prophecy, eating it, then blowing out fire that becomes an enflamed Dark Mark? I hope they don't change the fact that Neville kicks the prophecy and breaks it. Not too thrilling, but yes, it is the way it went down in the book. - There is also a guy in the tight cut shots of people waving wands at the ministry. At first I thought it was Lupin, but now I'm thinking it was Crouch Jr? Can anyone confirm? - Someone said that they could see Bella pushing Sirius, but I can't see that. - No Grawp either. - I believe it is Bella saying "The Dark Lord approaches". Interesting how they are depicting Azkaban, and the breakout. That's a bonus NOT in the book. - Intriguing how the thestrals remind me of the horse heads in Equus!!! - What's the deal where it looks like Harry, Ron, Hermione, Luna, Neville, Ginny are suspended horizontally?? I am so, so, so excited for this film though! July 13 can't come soon enough! I want to see it in IMAX. They apparently will be having the last 20 minutes in 3-D on IMAX. With the brains flying around, prophecies shattering, wands blazing, that's bound to be spectacular! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Wed Apr 25 05:34:40 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:34:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] new domestic trailer (minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <844a250c3e7869abd51edfe8d7892225@verizon.net> On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:30 AM, valerie wrote: > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > OK...just an addendum to my last post. Someone had asked earlier about > the appearance of Grawp in the trailers. He doesn't appear to be in > the international trailer, but in the domestic trailer, right after > Hagrid says "The ministry is going to have an uprising", then we see > the centaurs (give Umbridge hell, guys!!!!!), followed by a close-up > of Grawp's feet, with Harry, Hermione and Ron(?!) looking on in > disbelief. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kvapost at yahoo.com.au Wed Apr 25 05:58:34 2007 From: kvapost at yahoo.com.au (kvapost) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:58:34 -0000 Subject: new US trailer (some spoilers) In-Reply-To: <1e7aa5addbf5d23e1131897ac6c793da@verizon.net> Message-ID: > > - Oh c'mon now! Cho a traitor!? ---------- What if it is Pansy Parkinson? Kvapost From wootshanks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 19:37:28 2007 From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) Message-ID: <526842.56119.qm@web35205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: shirleejuly31 To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:04:30 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "zanooda2" wrote: > > > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > > My question (with a possible spoiler): > * > * > * > * > * > > > In the international trailer, was it Cho standing next to Umbridge in > the scene where Umbridge says "Get them"? I should have looked > through the separate screen shots, but there are so many of them, I > just don't have the time right now. Maybe someone was able to see it > better? > > In today's US trailer there is a little more of Snape/Occlumency. > They also promised Grawp (or his feet), but I can't see him (or his > feet) whatever I try. > > I didn't like Harry's pep talk to DA, it's not his style, IMO. Never > imagined Harry as a motivational speaker :-). > Shirlee Replies: It is Cho!! I watched it over and over and she is there. I had heard a rumor that SHE was going to be the traitor in the movie. Supposedly she is under the Imperius Curse. But what bothers me is Dumbledores line. Does he really say 'Harry dont fight him. You will not win.' ?! What does that mean? *gasp!* Did anyone hear that too or do I need to check myself into a hospital? Shirlee ; ) Wootshanks sez: Perhaps Dumbledore was telling Harry not to fight Snape. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wootshanks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 25 20:51:33 2007 From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) Message-ID: <144522.73652.qm@web35209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: zanooda2 To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:07:03 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "shirleejuly31" wrote: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Shirlee Replies: > It is Cho!! > I watched it over and over and she is there. I had heard a rumor > that SHE was going to be the traitor in the movie. Supposedly she > is under the Imperius Curse. zanooda: Thanks! I've read about it in reviews. This scene confirms it then. I found the screenshot and looked at it carefully. There is Filch and Cho on both sides of Umbridge, and behind her there are Malfoy, Crabbe or Goyle (don't remember which one is which) and a couple of people that I didn't recognize. Wootshanks sez: What if they made Cho the sneak and not Marietta or whatever her name was? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Apr 26 03:28:27 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:28:27 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: <144522.73652.qm@web35209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <144522.73652.qm@web35209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7e8c2c7cfdad41f0897f420b51c1640f@verizon.net> > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > > zanooda: > > Thanks! I've read about it in reviews. This scene confirms it then. I > found the screenshot and looked at it carefully. There is Filch and > Cho on both sides of Umbridge, and behind her there are Malfoy, > Crabbe or Goyle (don't remember which one is which) and a couple of > people that I didn't recognize. > > Wootshanks sez: > What if they made Cho the sneak and not Marietta or whatever her name > was? Valerie: In looking through screen caps today (instead of working!!) I saw one of Umbridge in her office, accompanied by Filch with huge boils all over his face. It didn't spell "Sneak", but why else would he have these, than if HE was the snitch? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Apr 26 03:42:55 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:42:55 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: <1e7aa5addbf5d23e1131897ac6c793da@verizon.net> References: <1e7aa5addbf5d23e1131897ac6c793da@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7095111e36f879dcdb1a06390f1c5176@verizon.net> > When I looked at the cast list online for OotP, David Thewlis/Lupin is > not listed. Did they ditch his character? How can they do that if he > and Tonks are supposed to get together in 6?! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 04:00:40 2007 From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:00:40 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: <7095111e36f879dcdb1a06390f1c5176@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > When I looked at the cast list online for OotP, David Thewlis/Lupin is > > not listed. Did they ditch his character? How can they do that if he > > and Tonks are supposed to get together in 6?! David Thewlis who plays Lupin is on the cast list featured on imdb.com and if you pay close attention to the new movie trailer you see him for a brief moment fighting in the MOM. So yes, he is in there somewhere! Cheers, Dondee From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Thu Apr 26 13:28:49 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:28:49 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope so!! I saw someone who looked somewhat like David Thewlis, but not totally. Pause the trailer and tell me if you think it is truly him!?!? Paranoid that dear Lupin will not have returned to join the Order, Val~ On Apr 26, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Dondee Gorski wrote: > --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe > wrote: > > > > > When I looked at the cast list online for OotP, David > Thewlis/Lupin is > > > not listed. Did they ditch his character? How can they do that if > he > > > and Tonks are supposed to get together in 6?! > > David Thewlis who plays Lupin is on the cast list featured on imdb.com > and if you pay close attention to the new movie trailer you see him > for a brief moment fighting in the MOM. So yes, he is in there > somewhere! > > Cheers, Dondee > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From abraxan at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 15:21:57 2007 From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:21:57 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is an absolutely heart-wrenching still of Remus holding a screaming, hysterical Harry (he's behind Harry, who's straining to get away). Lupin is definitely in this film. I think that still was on Leaky. Lynda From kchuplis at alltel.net Thu Apr 26 16:55:00 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:55:00 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c78823$a09fd250$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Can you point us at that? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of abraxan Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:22 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! There is an absolutely heart-wrenching still of Remus holding a screaming, hysterical Harry (he's behind Harry, who's straining to get away). Lupin is definitely in this film. I think that still was on Leaky. Lynda ________HPFGU______Hexquarters______Announcement_______________ Remember to use accurate subject headings and to snip unnecessary material from posts to which you're replying! Any questions or problems - contact the List Elves at HPforGrownups-owner at yahoogroups.com ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Groups Links From taguem at jmsearch.com Thu Apr 26 18:13:51 2007 From: taguem at jmsearch.com (Michelle A. Tague) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:13:51 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02f101c7882e$a8b18d70$4246dfdf@MichelleT> Oh man, that's just absolutely going to kill me... I could barely read the pages in the book.... and had cement head from the amount of snot...geez...I'm going to be a blubbering idiot in the movie theater. Michelle _____ From: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com [mailto:HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of abraxan Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:22 AM To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! There is an absolutely heart-wrenching still of Remus holding a screaming, hysterical Harry (he's behind Harry, who's straining to get away). Lupin is definitely in this film. I think that still was on Leaky. Lynda [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 18:04:17 2007 From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:04:17 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > I hope so!! > I saw someone who looked somewhat like David Thewlis, but not totally. > Pause the trailer and tell me if you think it is truly him!?!? > Paranoid that dear Lupin will not have returned to join the Order, > Val~ > You can view a screen cap of the point where you see Lupin in the new trailer here... http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/picture/153240 Someone mentioned a scene where he is holding Harry back from the veil after Sirius falls through - I have not seen that one, I'll have to look! It's not on TLC that I can find. Cheers, Dondee From bboyminn at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 22:38:23 2007 From: bboyminn at yahoo.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:38:23 -0000 Subject: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? Message-ID: In the lasts movie, their is a boy who wants Harry's autograph and Ron has promised to get it for him. I believe the boy's name was 'Nigel'. But I have to wonder WHY was that boy named Nigel? And what happened to the boy who played Colin Creevey in CoS? I thought he was really good. Certainly they could have brought him back for very little money. Now I see that 'Nigel' is back and is part of the D.A. Club. In this photo he is second from the right - http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/fanart/picture/view/2712 If they were going to get rid of the previous Colin, then why didn't they make this boy Dennis. They wouldn't have even had to specify Dennis /Creevey/, just Dennis. It would have made everything more consistent with the books. Personally, I think they should have kept the old Colin, and made this new boy Dennis. That would have made the movie REALLY consistent with the books. I know people here can actually tell me why, but does anyone have any speculation as to why they would do what they have done? Just curious. Steve/bboyminn From jade76_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 23:13:08 2007 From: jade76_2000 at yahoo.com (jade76_2000) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:13:08 -0000 Subject: new international trailer (very minor spoilers) In-Reply-To: <7e8c2c7cfdad41f0897f420b51c1640f@verizon.net> Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > zanooda: > > > > Thanks! I've read about it in reviews. This scene confirms it then. I > > found the screenshot and looked at it carefully. There is Filch and > > Cho on both sides of Umbridge, and behind her there are Malfoy, > > Crabbe or Goyle (don't remember which one is which) and a couple of > > people that I didn't recognize. > > > > Wootshanks sez: > > What if they made Cho the sneak and not Marietta or whatever her name > > was? > > Valerie: > In looking through screen caps today (instead of working!!) I saw one > of Umbridge in her office, accompanied by Filch with huge boils all > over his face. It didn't spell "Sneak", but why else would he have > these, than if HE was the snitch? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > I don't think Filch is a snitch. In order to get the snitch hex, he had to have been on the parchment that they all signed and agreed to when joining the DA (according to book story). If it is indeed boils on him, he might have received it in some other way. Perhaps finding the parchment and it had a spell attached to it when he tried to reveal its secrets. He's not much of a wizard truth be told in the story. Jade From rlace2003 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 26 23:54:12 2007 From: rlace2003 at yahoo.com (rlace2003) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:54:12 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: <001301c78823$a09fd250$b301010a@ConsolidatedTelephone.local> Message-ID: rlace2003: You can find it here. http://www.the-leaky- cauldron.org/gallery/picture/152291 From kchuplis at alltel.net Fri Apr 27 01:11:06 2007 From: kchuplis at alltel.net (Karen) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:11:06 -0500 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4732EED2-175D-4C67-9ADB-BBC2B4936B33@alltel.net> Thanks! On Apr 26, 2007, at 6:54 PM, rlace2003 wrote: > rlace2003: > You can find it here. http://www.the-leaky- > cauldron.org/gallery/picture/152291 > From sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 02:41:38 2007 From: sweetophelia4u at yahoo.com (Dondee Gorski) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:41:38 -0000 Subject: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: --- In HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" wrote: >snip > I know people here can actually tell me why, but does > anyone have any speculation as to why they would do > what they have done? > > Just curious. > > Steve/bboyminn > This is something I've thought about as well, the only thing I can think is that the kid who plays Nigel has a movie producer parent or something else influential - like Chris Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones in the first two movies. And - I don't know if this was covered before - what about that chubby black kid in PoA? What is his name and why did he get lines instead of kids already established as characters? That irks me every time I watch the movie. I thought the kid playing Colin was spot-on and it would have been fun to see him and his little bro stalking Harry. Who doesn't love a little stalking eh? ;) Cheers, Dondee From wootshanks at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 13:44:35 2007 From: wootshanks at yahoo.com (Paul W) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? Message-ID: <923780.51588.qm@web35214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: Dondee Gorski To: HPFGU-Movie at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:41:38 PM Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? --- In HPFGU-Movie@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve" wrote: >snip > I know people here can actually tell me why, but does > anyone have any speculation as to why they would do > what they have done? > > Just curious. > > Steve/bboyminn > This is something I've thought about as well, the only thing I can think is that the kid who plays Nigel has a movie producer parent or something else influential - like Chris Columbus' daughter playing Susan Bones in the first two movies. And - I don't know if this was covered before - what about that chubby black kid in PoA? What is his name and why did he get lines instead of kids already established as characters? That irks me every time I watch the movie. I thought the kid playing Colin was spot-on and it would have been fun to see him and his little bro stalking Harry. Who doesn't love a little stalking eh? ;) Cheers, Dondee Perhaps the chubby black kid (He-who-did-not-get-named) got the lines because he had that cool ominous voice. Wootshanks >(o.o)< __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 21:26:49 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:26:49 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Valerie Flowe wrote: > > > > I saw someone who looked somewhat like David Thewlis, but not > totally. Pause the trailer and tell me if you think it is truly him!?!? > > Paranoid that dear Lupin will not have returned to join the Order, > > Val~ > > > Dondee wrote: > You can view a screen cap of the point where you see Lupin in the > new trailer here... > > http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/gallery/picture/153240 > > Someone mentioned a scene where he is holding Harry back from the > veil after Sirius falls through - I have not seen that one, I'll > have to look! It's not on TLC that I can find. Carol adds: * * * * * * That shot is from the "great wizards" sequence accompanying Harry's inspirational talk to the DA (Lupin is right after Snape) and probably appears somewhere else (the MoM battle?) in the film itself. I remember seeing that other shot somewhere, too. Maybe a Google image search for David Thewlis and Daniel Radcliffe would turn it up. Carol, wondering what constitutes a spoiler on this list Carol, wondering why on earth they've dressed Lupin in a Muggle shirt and tie instead of shabby wizards' robes From justcarol67 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 22:15:36 2007 From: justcarol67 at yahoo.com (justcarol67) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:15:36 -0000 Subject: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Steve" bboyminn wrote: > > In the lasts movie, their is a boy who wants Harry's autograph and Ron has promised to get it for him. I believe the boy's name was 'Nigel'. But I have to > wonder WHY was that boy named Nigel? And what happened > to the boy who played Colin Creevey in CoS? I thought > he was really good. Certainly they could have brought > him back for very little money. > > Now I see that 'Nigel' is back and is part of the > D.A. Club. In this photo he is second from the right - > > http://the-leaky-cauldron.org/fanart/picture/view/2712 > > If they were going to get rid of the previous Colin, > then why didn't they make this boy Dennis. They > wouldn't have even had to specify Dennis /Creevey/, > just Dennis. > > It would have made everything more consistent with the > books. > > Personally, I think they should have kept the old Colin, > and made this new boy Dennis. That would have made the > movie REALLY consistent with the books. > > I know people here can actually tell me why, but does > anyone have any speculation as to why they would do > what they have done? > > Just curious. > > Steve/bboyminn > Carol responds: I agree that they should have kept Colin or at least made "Nigel" Dennis Creevey, but I have some theories as to what happened. It may be coincidence, but Nigel is played by William Melling and Dudley by Harry Melling. Maybe Harry Melling's little brother or cousin needed a role? (No that there's much resemblance between film!Dudley and Nigel, but how many kids named Melling are trying out for parts in the Potter films? As for Hugh Mitchell, the boy who played Colin Creevey in CoS, he has quite a little career going according to the IMDb: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1087234/ According to the IMDb, he received 45,000 pounds for playing Colin Creevey. Maybe he was too expensive for a minor character? I'm guessing that he was actually too busy to play a bit part in PoA, where Colin isn't important, so he was written out and the Creevey brothers as HP's Hogwarts fan club were collectively replaced by Nigel (clearly a first-year) in GoF. And despite being only a second year (like Dennis Creevey in OoP), he's somehow allowed to join the DA. (They needed someone to practice the hover charm on? ) Carol, who still thinks they should have used the name Dennis instead of changing it to Nigel (he's too young to be Colin, who's only a year younger than Harry in the books) From abraxan at yahoo.com Fri Apr 27 23:13:01 2007 From: abraxan at yahoo.com (abraxan) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:13:01 -0000 Subject: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.harryandginny.org/regular/displayimage.php?album=23&pos=94 This is the picture of Harry being held back by Remus I mentioned. Lynda From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Fri Apr 27 23:12:39 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:12:39 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re: No Lupin???!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000db9b66515a84d872cb6f16b6fb8ea@verizon.net> OK, I'm already getting choked up just thinking about it!!! :-O Thanks for the link...I was looking and looking for it on TLC. And yes, I am satisfied now that Lupin/Thewlis is indeed in OotP. I was looking at that night shot when the Order is presumably taking the trio to Hogwarts. There is Kingsley, Harry, Mad Eye, Tonks, then another man and woman that I don't recognize. I didn't see Lupin, so was nervous. But I'm ok now. I am one who would like everything exactly like the book except visually more thrilling on the big screen... Alright so who besides me thinks Sirius Black would wear black leather, not a velvet jacket!? Ah well... I'm sure I'll love it all the same. :-) Valerie On Apr 26, 2007, at 7:54 PM, rlace2003 wrote: > http://www.the-leaky- > cauldron.org/gallery/picture/152291 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scorea0811 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 30 01:35:50 2007 From: scorea0811 at sbcglobal.net (Sam Corea) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OOP movie SPOILER Message-ID: <401392.9500.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everybody. I just saw the international trailer for order of the Phoenix and I am just wondering why Voldemort is wearing a black suit. sam C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Apr 27 23:17:54 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:17:54 EDT Subject: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? Message-ID: Steve, you asked why they got rid of Colin. I saw pics of the actor who played Colin online last year. He looked older than Dan and has become a Goth or a punk rocker or something - his hair's all weird and he's covered in piercings, and maybe tattoos, too, IIRC. He was part of a band in the pics, I think. Can't remember where I saw the pictures, sorry. I think the site they were on is down now anyway. It had a lot of "candids" of the stars, including the boy that played Justin Finch-Fletchley with long hair and very tall, and a couple of the other minor characters, several of whom are in bands, and showed Emma and other kids from the cast (not Rupert or Dan) attending their concerts. I suspect the fact that "Colin" was no longer little and cute, but so vastly changed, made them decide to do away with both Creevy brothers so there wouldn't be questions about where Colin was. At least "Nigel" looks pretty much the same in OotP as he did in GoF. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) Read my Harry Potter fics here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From artsylynda at aol.com Fri Apr 27 23:20:33 2007 From: artsylynda at aol.com (artsylynda at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:20:33 EDT Subject: Nigel, Dennis, and Colin? Message-ID: >> Dondee: >>I don't know if this was covered before - what about that chubby black kid in PoA? What is his name and why did he get lines instead of kids already established as characters? That irks me every time I watch the movie. I thought the kid playing Colin was spot-on and it would have been fun to see him and his little bro stalking Harry. Who doesn't love a little stalking eh? ;)<< I HATED that black boy in PoA! Who was he related to, that he got lines ANY of the "real" cast could've said and SHOULD have said?!??? That burns me up every time I see the film. I'm SO glad he wasn't included in GoF or OotP!! What the heck were Cuaron, Heyman and Kloves thinking?!????? Colin was perfect as Colin, but like Matt Lewis, he grew UP really fast, and as I said in my other post, he's no longer "cute Colin" in looks. I think they made the right choice in going with Nigel. Lynda AKA "Abraxan" My blog: _www.abraxan.blogspot.com_ (http://www.abraxan.blogspot.com/) Read my Harry Potter fics here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPRefinersFire/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From valerie.flowe at verizon.net Mon Apr 30 12:14:40 2007 From: valerie.flowe at verizon.net (Valerie Flowe) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:14:40 -0400 Subject: [HPFGU-Movie] Re:OOP movie SPOILER In-Reply-To: <401392.9500.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <401392.9500.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <52d3688fd0c7765ecfe368d949dacc2a@verizon.net> He did look bizarre, huh?! That's another one of those weird things that the director threw in there. In the book Harry doesn't 'see' Voldemort in the train station on his way to Hogwarts...I'm guessing that is their way of showing that Harry is 'seeing' V everywhere...in his nightmares, in his waking hours...V is haunting him all the time. I'm hoping that that is not just because they couldn't figure out how to show that Harry and V are starting to 'share feelings'. Surely there's a better way? They did a great job with the Pensieve scenes and V nightmare scenes in GOF. Valerie On Apr 29, 2007, at 9:35 PM, Sam Corea wrote: > Hi everybody. I just saw the international trailer for order of the > Phoenix and I am just wondering why Voldemort is wearing a black suit. > sam C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]